ROL_2009-11-13_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:10.280]  The Federal Reserve imposed rules Thursday, making it harder for banks to hit customers
[00:10.280 --> 00:12.100]  with overdraft fees.
[00:12.100 --> 00:17.080]  The Fed's policy requires customers to choose overdraft protection, meaning they would have
[00:17.080 --> 00:22.800]  to agree to pay a fee any time they overdraw their accounts at ATM machines or when using
[00:22.800 --> 00:24.480]  a debit card.
[00:24.480 --> 00:30.360]  Overdraft fees currently earn banks 25 to 38 billion dollars a year.
[00:30.360 --> 00:37.040]  Armed conflict in Afghanistan claimed the lives of 2,021 civilians from January to October
[00:37.040 --> 00:42.040]  and the numbers are rising, according to the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan.
[00:42.040 --> 00:47.400]  August was the deadliest month, with 294 reported deaths.
[00:47.400 --> 00:54.000]  In South Waziristan, at least 17 Pakistani soldiers were killed Friday in fierce fighting.
[00:54.000 --> 00:58.720]  Pakistan launched the offensive in October at the behest of the US.
[00:58.720 --> 01:03.400]  The offensive has driven hundreds of thousands of civilians from their homes and locals say
[01:03.400 --> 01:09.280]  the military's constant airstrikes have left many towns completely bombed out.
[01:09.280 --> 01:15.680]  A UN special investigator who was blocked from visiting the US by the Bush administration
[01:15.680 --> 01:20.840]  has accused the government of pouring billions of dollars into rescuing banks while treating
[01:20.840 --> 01:23.680]  the homeless crisis as invisible.
[01:23.680 --> 01:28.800]  Raquel Rollnick, the UN special rapporteur for the right to adequate housing who has
[01:28.800 --> 01:34.320]  just completed a seven-city tour of America, said it was shameful that a country as wealthy
[01:34.320 --> 01:40.560]  as the US was not spending more money on lifting its citizens out of homelessness and substandard
[01:40.560 --> 01:42.280]  overcrowded housing.
[01:42.280 --> 01:47.400]  Rollnick said the worst conditions she saw were on Pine Ridge Native American Reservation
[01:47.400 --> 01:48.400]  in South Dakota.
[01:48.400 --> 01:54.200]  She said, you see total hopelessness, despair, very bad conditions.
[01:54.200 --> 01:55.200]  They're not visible.
[01:55.200 --> 01:56.200]  They're isolated.
[01:56.200 --> 01:57.200]  They're lost.
[01:57.200 --> 02:02.080]  More than three million people were believed to be homeless at some point over the last
[02:02.080 --> 02:03.080]  year.
[02:03.080 --> 02:08.320]  The fastest growing segment of the homeless population is families with children, often
[02:08.320 --> 02:13.760]  single parents.
[02:13.760 --> 02:19.440]  At least nine US states face similar fiscal strains as those that left California on the
[02:19.440 --> 02:22.440]  brink of insolvency four months ago.
[02:22.440 --> 02:29.040]  According to the Pew Center, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon,
[02:29.040 --> 02:35.000]  Rhode Island, and Wisconsin are dealing with declining tax revenue, resurgent deficits,
[02:35.000 --> 02:37.920]  and increasing unemployment and foreclosures.
[02:37.920 --> 02:43.680]  All but New Jersey, Illinois, and Wisconsin have been hampered by a rule requiring a two-third
[02:43.680 --> 02:47.840]  legislative vote to approve tax increases.
[02:47.840 --> 02:54.760]  Lawmakers in California have slashed $32 billion from spending and raised taxes by $12.5 billion
[02:54.760 --> 03:15.160]  to close budget gaps brought on by the recession.
[03:15.160 --> 03:44.200]  Let me show you what transparent tax returns are.
[03:44.200 --> 03:51.200]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:51.200 --> 03:56.200]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:56.200 --> 04:02.200]  When you were eight and you had bad treats You'd go to school and learn the golden rule
[04:02.200 --> 04:07.200]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get hot then you must get cool
[04:07.200 --> 04:18.200]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:18.200 --> 04:24.200]  You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[04:24.200 --> 04:29.200]  You chuck it on your brother and you chuck it on your sister You chuck it on that one and you chuck it on me
[04:29.200 --> 04:47.200]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:47.200 --> 04:53.200]  Alright, bad boys, bad boys, what are you gonna do when we come for you?
[04:53.200 --> 05:04.200]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens and tonight we are going to follow up on the topic of the show from last Friday night
[05:04.200 --> 05:14.200]  We spent the entire four hours with Pat from Texas discussing land patent issues and what kind of documents need to be gathered
[05:14.200 --> 05:23.200]  in order to submit the documents to TeamLaw so that they can give you back in return other documents to be filed
[05:23.200 --> 05:25.200]  so that you can get your land patent
[05:25.200 --> 05:30.200]  So tonight we are very honored and blessed to have with us Eric Madsen from TeamLaw
[05:30.200 --> 05:32.200]  Eric, thank you for joining us
[05:32.200 --> 05:34.200]  You're quite welcome, thank you for inviting me
[05:34.200 --> 05:41.200]  Alright, so I would like to just start off with by asking you how did you get into all of this?
[05:41.200 --> 05:46.200]  What is your background, what drove you to do this and we are very glad that you did
[05:46.200 --> 05:52.200]  but if you could just give us some background on how you got into all of this and your research
[05:52.200 --> 06:05.200]  Well, sadly most people get involved into the discovery of the necessity of learning the law and applying it
[06:05.200 --> 06:11.200]  because some circumstance causes them to find out how ignorant they are
[06:11.200 --> 06:18.200]  In my case it was a situation where there was a knock at the door and turned into a pounding at the door
[06:18.200 --> 06:27.200]  and I was down in my basement office at the time I happened to be talking to a state senator, Stephen Ruddick on the phone
[06:27.200 --> 06:35.200]  and that was just a unique happenstance but my wife picked up the phone
[06:35.200 --> 06:42.200]  Now she was laying in bed on her master bedroom's adjacent right to the living room
[06:42.200 --> 06:50.200]  and the front door was right there next to where the master bedroom connects to the living room
[06:50.200 --> 06:55.200]  and someone was pounding on the door and so she picked up the phone and interjected in our call
[06:55.200 --> 07:01.200]  that someone was pounding on the phone and I said all the more reason to ignore them
[07:01.200 --> 07:08.200]  and then she said well okay, a few minutes later she picked up the phone again and she said they are breaking into the house
[07:08.200 --> 07:17.200]  It turns out it was a sheriff's deputy attempting to serve an order from a court
[07:17.200 --> 07:21.200]  that was an unlawful detainer lease eviction action
[07:21.200 --> 07:25.200]  Of course we weren't leasing the home, it was our home
[07:25.200 --> 07:34.200]  I had the documents to prove the ownership and there was no lease and there was no tenancy
[07:34.200 --> 07:39.200]  Anyway when she said they are breaking into the house I came running upstairs and met the sheriff's deputy
[07:39.200 --> 07:42.200]  as he came around the corner into my kitchen
[07:42.200 --> 07:50.200]  I came out of the basement around the corner facing a 45 automatic with a sheriff crushed down
[07:50.200 --> 07:55.200]  pointing it at me and I said what are you doing in my house
[07:55.200 --> 08:04.200]  and he said he was there to serve this eviction order and I said what are you talking about
[08:04.200 --> 08:16.200]  and he indicated that he was there as a servant of the court and that he wanted to evict me
[08:16.200 --> 08:25.200]  and I asked him, I was flabbergasted, I told him to put that thing away, the gun
[08:25.200 --> 08:36.200]  and I said what are you talking about, a lease eviction action, there are no leases here, I own this house, this is our home
[08:36.200 --> 08:41.200]  I said I have the documents to prove it and the cabinet was right around the corner from where he was
[08:41.200 --> 08:48.200]  and I went walking by him, I said put that thing away and I went over and opened up the file cabinet
[08:48.200 --> 08:53.200]  and took out my ownership documents and I showed it to him
[08:53.200 --> 08:59.200]  and I even showed him that on the agreement when we acquired it initially it even said
[08:59.200 --> 09:04.200]  there should be no leases or tenancies that we took the property at the time when we paid for it
[09:04.200 --> 09:12.200]  so it was like that was the beginning, nonetheless he reached in his back pocket and pulls out this piece of paper
[09:12.200 --> 09:21.200]  and flashes it at me, never did let me read it, told me that it was a lease eviction action and that I had to vacate the premises
[09:21.200 --> 09:28.200]  and I had to go with him and when I showed him the documents he looked at it and read them
[09:28.200 --> 09:34.200]  and he says well that notwithstanding I'm still an officer of the court and I have to carry out the court's order
[09:34.200 --> 09:47.200]  I asked him as we were discussing this, he did finally put the gun away and I asked him whose name was on the order
[09:47.200 --> 09:53.200]  because he didn't show it to me and he opened it up and he gave my wife's name, or no my name
[09:53.200 --> 10:00.200]  and I said well you might notice on the ownership documents I'm not the owner of the home, my wife is
[10:00.200 --> 10:09.200]  I was involved in a profession as a therapist that it's not really a good idea to be the owner of a lot of property
[10:09.200 --> 10:19.200]  and then following a pattern of not owning property I wasn't the owner and so as they took a look at the
[10:19.200 --> 10:25.200]  as he looked at the document he thought it was me and my wife came around the corner, she's in a nightgown
[10:25.200 --> 10:32.200]  because again she was recovering from childbirth a few days before and she asked him hearing what was going on
[10:32.200 --> 10:45.200]  she asked him if her name was on it or anything like that and it wasn't and so he was convinced that he didn't need to evict her
[10:45.200 --> 10:54.200]  or the rest of the family, just me and if I went out to the curb with them she asked well could he come back at that
[10:54.200 --> 11:00.200]  and she said well once we've taken them off the property up to you, you do whatever you want
[11:00.200 --> 11:08.200]  so they did that, we went out to the curb and that basically gave us about five days of notice about what was actually going on
[11:08.200 --> 11:17.200]  again this is a court action where there had been no service of process, there was no notification to us at all of there being any kind of a problem
[11:17.200 --> 11:24.200]  and there wasn't any problem with our ownership, it was simply that somebody was dumbing up some records and was trying to steal our house
[11:24.200 --> 11:31.200]  of course we didn't know that at the time, we just knew that this guy said he had a court order, he never did let me read it
[11:31.200 --> 11:41.200]  because it was his instrument to serve, to execute the eviction, it wasn't for me, so that was the beginning
[11:41.200 --> 11:53.200]  I like most people went out to study and attempt to find a lawyer to fight the case, learned along the way in that process
[11:53.200 --> 12:02.200]  that that would have been a mistake and wasn't able to find one that would take the case and deal with the matter
[12:02.200 --> 12:14.200]  predominantly because there was a very well known Italian family that controlled the courts in the county that the home was located in
[12:14.200 --> 12:27.200]  I was kind of surprised because this was Colorado, if somebody said that to you in Chicago being raised up and hearing the stories of mob families
[12:27.200 --> 12:35.200]  controlling Chicago that would be no big surprise but in the Denver area in Colorado, come on, it just seemed surreal
[12:35.200 --> 12:49.200]  but as I studied and began to learn about the law, my eyes were opened to the fact that as a matter of law, if a law applies to you or to anybody
[12:49.200 --> 12:59.200]  as a matter of law, you are obligated to know what that law is and to comply with it if it requires compliance
[12:59.200 --> 13:11.200]  if it's a law that, when you get right down to it, as all laws are, a law that came from the government of the United States of America
[13:11.200 --> 13:21.200]  or a state government in the United States of America, what I mean by all laws are, our governments were formed by our own authority
[13:21.200 --> 13:31.200]  and therefore, if there's a law, it was created by your authority and if it's being applied incorrectly or if it applies to you
[13:31.200 --> 13:43.200]  then you need to know that because if you don't, you have no means for controlling the government and controlling that which we necessarily have to control
[13:43.200 --> 13:56.200]  so I came into the issues of learning about law by a horrid circumstance where I was, at gunpoint, removed from my home
[13:56.200 --> 14:07.200]  Okay, Eric, I have to say here that I am absolutely flabbergasted. I have never heard of anything like this before in my life
[14:07.200 --> 14:20.200]  I mean, obviously, I mean, you own the property, there's no foreclosure, it's not like you're leasing or something and didn't pay your rent
[14:20.200 --> 14:23.200]  and the landlord's evicting you, I mean, number one, I've...
[14:23.200 --> 14:26.200]  Well, there was no lease, it was not a lease, it was ownership.
[14:26.200 --> 14:28.200]  Yeah, of course, you own the property.
[14:28.200 --> 14:37.200]  And yet, we're being evicted from our home as if there was a lease because the parties that put the documents into the court
[14:37.200 --> 14:47.200]  dumbed up the documents to make it appear as if they had a lease so that they could go through a lease eviction process
[14:47.200 --> 14:49.200]  and it was just, you know, it was kind of a nightmare.
[14:49.200 --> 14:55.200]  Well, see, here's the thing, obviously, you know, I've heard of executions of eviction orders
[14:55.200 --> 15:00.200]  but in which case they would kick the door down and literally drag you out if they had to.
[15:00.200 --> 15:01.200]  Oh, they'll do whatever they got to do, yeah.
[15:01.200 --> 15:09.200]  But in serving a notice of eviction, I've never heard of law enforcement kicking down the door
[15:09.200 --> 15:13.200]  and breaking and entering a property to serve...
[15:13.200 --> 15:18.200]  No, no, no, no, they weren't there to serve me with anything.
[15:18.200 --> 15:25.200]  He had the court order in his pocket because that was the instrument under the authority which he was operating.
[15:25.200 --> 15:27.200]  And y'all didn't get any notice.
[15:27.200 --> 15:29.200]  He was ordered to evict on an eviction action.
[15:29.200 --> 15:40.200]  See, what happens is this, how long does it take to go from the point where a landlord wants to evict a tenant
[15:40.200 --> 15:42.200]  to the time when the tenant gets evicted?
[15:42.200 --> 15:48.200]  Well, in most places throughout the country, if a landlord files documents to the court
[15:48.200 --> 15:54.200]  to indicate that they have a holdover tenant, then they're issued the...
[15:54.200 --> 15:59.200]  they create the documents for setting the complaint in the court along with the summons
[15:59.200 --> 16:03.200]  that summons you to come to court to respond to the complaint.
[16:03.200 --> 16:04.200]  Right.
[16:04.200 --> 16:07.200]  That's typically posted on the property.
[16:07.200 --> 16:09.200]  Typically, they just stick it to your door.
[16:09.200 --> 16:12.200]  They'll go up and knock on your door if you're there, they give it to you if you're not.
[16:12.200 --> 16:14.200]  They just stick it on the door.
[16:14.200 --> 16:21.200]  Five days later, in most places throughout the country, five days later, that court case will be heard.
[16:21.200 --> 16:27.200]  If you don't show up, then the court will issue an eviction order for a 24-hour eviction.
[16:27.200 --> 16:33.200]  Now, if that comes on a Friday afternoon, you're going to get Monday.
[16:33.200 --> 16:35.200]  They can't do that on a Saturday.
[16:35.200 --> 16:37.200]  And you never got any notice.
[16:37.200 --> 16:38.200]  You never got anything pinned on you.
[16:38.200 --> 16:39.200]  There was never a notice.
[16:39.200 --> 16:40.200]  There was never any service.
[16:40.200 --> 16:41.200]  Oh, boy.
[16:41.200 --> 16:42.200]  Okay.
[16:42.200 --> 16:43.200]  There was no lease.
[16:43.200 --> 16:45.200]  There was no tenancy.
[16:45.200 --> 16:46.200]  Right.
[16:46.200 --> 16:48.200]  There was just an eviction because...
[16:48.200 --> 16:49.200]  Okay.
[16:49.200 --> 16:50.200]  Listen, we're going to break.
[16:50.200 --> 16:51.200]  We're going to break.
[16:51.200 --> 16:52.200]  We'll pick this up on the other side.
[16:52.200 --> 16:53.200]  That's fine.
[16:53.200 --> 16:54.200]  Amazing.
[16:54.200 --> 16:55.200]  No notice.
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[18:58.200 --> 19:08.200]  OK.
[19:08.200 --> 19:29.200]  Looks like justice.
[19:29.200 --> 19:31.200]  We got to get some justice here.
[19:31.200 --> 19:32.200]  OK.
[19:32.200 --> 19:33.200]  This is an incredible situation.
[19:33.200 --> 19:38.200]  All right, we're going to get to the land patent issue, but I do want to spend a few minutes
[19:38.200 --> 19:45.200]  here talking about just the laws that were broken in this situation, criminal charges
[19:45.200 --> 19:47.200]  that could be filed, what kind of lawsuits that could be filed.
[19:47.200 --> 19:49.200]  Let's just spend a little bit of time on this.
[19:49.200 --> 19:50.200]  OK.
[19:50.200 --> 19:53.200]  And, yeah, I'm sorry, it sounded at first like what you were saying is that they were
[19:53.200 --> 19:58.200]  breaking down the door to serve you the notice that normally they would just tape on the
[19:58.200 --> 20:05.200]  door, but they were actually executing the order of eviction and you never got a notice,
[20:05.200 --> 20:06.200]  so...
[20:06.200 --> 20:07.200]  That's exactly what I said.
[20:07.200 --> 20:08.200]  OK.
[20:08.200 --> 20:16.200]  So what are the laws in Colorado concerning the notice and what do they have to do?
[20:16.200 --> 20:20.200]  Well, again, to serve a notice, you have to give notice to the parties, so that means
[20:20.200 --> 20:22.200]  that they have to receive the summons.
[20:22.200 --> 20:26.200]  Without receiving the summons, there is no court case because you don't have a defendant.
[20:26.200 --> 20:28.200]  You have to get a defendant.
[20:28.200 --> 20:34.200]  Again, to understand the court process, today you have legal arguments between attorneys
[20:34.200 --> 20:40.200]  and others where they discuss living in a civil society and one person raises the issue
[20:40.200 --> 20:45.200]  of sovereignty and I'm sovereign and others talk about collective sovereignty and or...
[20:45.200 --> 20:48.200]  What is that?
[20:48.200 --> 20:55.200]  Popular sovereignty is the other term, but the reality is government in this country
[20:55.200 --> 20:59.200]  does not have any authority whatsoever to control the people.
[20:59.200 --> 21:02.200]  That was never granted to them in the Constitution of the United States of America and in most
[21:02.200 --> 21:06.200]  states there was no authority granted to government to govern the people.
[21:06.200 --> 21:11.200]  The government's purpose is to govern the government in order to operate, in order for
[21:11.200 --> 21:17.200]  the state to operate as a sovereign government or a sovereign state within the society of
[21:17.200 --> 21:22.200]  states or within the society of nations, they have to be able to function as sovereigns
[21:22.200 --> 21:28.200]  and so when they go out into that world of sovereignty with other nations, they have
[21:28.200 --> 21:31.200]  to have the ability to speak with the voice of a sovereign.
[21:31.200 --> 21:37.200]  The people grant to them the authority to speak on certain issues, but they did not,
[21:37.200 --> 21:42.200]  in forming government, grant any authority to govern the people.
[21:42.200 --> 21:47.200]  You'll have lawyers and judges and others argue this point and say in order to form
[21:47.200 --> 21:50.200]  a government, you have to give up some rights.
[21:50.200 --> 21:57.200]  That's an elemental basic piece of our Constitutional Republic that you cannot be compelled to
[21:57.200 --> 22:00.200]  give up any right in order to maintain another.
[22:00.200 --> 22:02.200]  In fact, that's not how the courts work.
[22:02.200 --> 22:05.200]  The courts don't work by you giving up rights.
[22:05.200 --> 22:09.200]  Every time there's a function in court where there's a service of a summons or process
[22:09.200 --> 22:16.200]  upon any other person, the court acquires its authority to execute the summons or the
[22:16.200 --> 22:24.200]  process against the defendant or the respondent by that person being served and the complaint
[22:24.200 --> 22:27.200]  alleging that a trespass has been made.
[22:27.200 --> 22:31.200]  Now, the trespass in a criminal case would be criminal and trespass in a civil case would
[22:31.200 --> 22:32.200]  be civil.
[22:32.200 --> 22:37.200]  Nonetheless, there's the allegation in the complaint that charges the court with subject
[22:37.200 --> 22:39.200]  matter jurisdiction.
[22:39.200 --> 22:43.200]  There is the allegation that the trespass has taken place.
[22:43.200 --> 22:50.200]  And so we all agree that if someone claims that a trespass has been raised against us,
[22:50.200 --> 22:59.200]  that we will respond to that challenge and defend ourselves.
[22:59.200 --> 23:04.200]  Just like if somebody walks up down the street and whacks you, you're going to have to defend
[23:04.200 --> 23:07.200]  yourself or just take the beating, whatever comes.
[23:07.200 --> 23:12.200]  So the bottom line is when you go into court and somebody files a process, the response
[23:12.200 --> 23:15.200]  is they are supposed to serve the summons.
[23:15.200 --> 23:17.200]  That never took place in the case we were in.
[23:17.200 --> 23:23.200]  However, when we did later after you said what remedies do you have?
[23:23.200 --> 23:27.200]  Well, the remedy we have is there was a court process we weren't invited to.
[23:27.200 --> 23:32.200]  So the court process sits on record as if we had been served.
[23:32.200 --> 23:37.200]  And if we don't stand up and say something to prove that the service did not take place,
[23:37.200 --> 23:39.200]  then the court case will continue.
[23:39.200 --> 23:41.200]  Well, that process is called appeal.
[23:41.200 --> 23:44.200]  And you've got two different kinds of appeals.
[23:44.200 --> 23:49.200]  In Latin terms, ridivere quorum nobis or ridivere quorum vobis.
[23:49.200 --> 23:56.200]  Essentially what that means is you have the right to either appeal to that court,
[23:56.200 --> 24:01.200]  which made the decision, or appeal to the court of appeals above that court.
[24:01.200 --> 24:07.200]  In this case, we appealed to that court by filing a motion that addressed the fact that
[24:07.200 --> 24:14.200]  we had never been served with a summons or any process that would have brought us to the court case.
[24:14.200 --> 24:19.200]  So the court heard that motion, entertained that motion, and allowed us our day in court.
[24:19.200 --> 24:21.200]  So we went back to the court to deal with it.
[24:21.200 --> 24:23.200]  And we talk about laws that were broken.
[24:23.200 --> 24:26.200]  Well, the sheriff's deputy was acting in court with the orders of the court.
[24:26.200 --> 24:28.200]  That's what they're supposed to do.
[24:28.200 --> 24:36.200]  They were protecting the rights of the plaintiff in the case who had alleged that they had some title or right to our home.
[24:36.200 --> 24:43.200]  And without a contest to that, without us defending that, without us having notice to that, we couldn't defend.
[24:43.200 --> 24:50.200]  So when we went into court, we've got to basically demonstrate or prove to the court that there had been no service of process.
[24:50.200 --> 24:58.200]  We can make the challenge of that, and because it's a positive challenge alleging something didn't happen,
[24:58.200 --> 25:02.200]  then the plaintiff is going to have to prove that it did happen.
[25:02.200 --> 25:05.200]  So the plaintiff brings in their process server.
[25:05.200 --> 25:13.200]  Now, the guy that they brought in in this case to serve process happened to be a student going to the college in town.
[25:13.200 --> 25:21.200]  And we asked him, while he was on the witness stand, testifying that he'd served the process that hadn't been served.
[25:21.200 --> 25:31.200]  While he was making this testimony, when it came time to cross-examine, we asked him what he does, if that was his occupation.
[25:31.200 --> 25:36.200]  He said, no, it's not an occupation, I'm just part-time work that I do while I'm going to college.
[25:36.200 --> 25:42.200]  And we asked him how many processes does he serve in a month.
[25:42.200 --> 25:50.200]  And he said that he serves over 270 eviction notices of this nature from this attorney for this one office.
[25:50.200 --> 25:58.200]  Now, when you combine the amount of time it takes to serve that many summonses, as he's alleging that he does,
[25:58.200 --> 26:03.200]  in this particular case, that demonstrates more than 40 hours of work in a week.
[26:03.200 --> 26:06.200]  And that's full-time employment.
[26:06.200 --> 26:12.200]  And a plaintiff cannot use their own employee or serve process themselves.
[26:12.200 --> 26:18.200]  They would have to use a process server that was not linked to them or did not have any relationship with them.
[26:18.200 --> 26:21.200]  And this was his sole income opportunity.
[26:21.200 --> 26:27.200]  So even from that alone, the service, if there had been any, would not have been allowed.
[26:27.200 --> 26:33.200]  But the things that happen in that court case go way off point from wherever you want to go in this matter.
[26:33.200 --> 26:43.200]  So the dealing is, yes, authority comes to the court from the defendant because the plaintiff alleges that a trespass has been made.
[26:43.200 --> 26:51.200]  And so the defendant grants their authority to the court to hear their defense.
[26:51.200 --> 27:03.200]  And if you don't grant that, if you don't provide the defense, then it is reasonable for the court to proceed as if you had full knowledge and have no contest.
[27:03.200 --> 27:04.200]  Okay.
[27:04.200 --> 27:11.200]  So at this point, I want to ask Randy, because what you're talking about involves the civil realm,
[27:11.200 --> 27:22.200]  I want to ask Randy now, what criminal charges could we file against whom or what criminal charges could someone file against whom if something like this happened again, Randy?
[27:22.200 --> 27:25.200]  Well, there's an unanswered question here.
[27:25.200 --> 27:27.200]  There you go.
[27:27.200 --> 27:37.200]  What was the authority to prosecute the eviction in the first instance?
[27:37.200 --> 27:41.200]  Well, that's not an unanswered question. That's an answered question.
[27:41.200 --> 27:46.200]  The plaintiff filed a complaint in the court alleging that they had a holdover center.
[27:46.200 --> 27:50.200]  And what was the basic of the allegation? If you owned the property, was this an act of fraud or mistake?
[27:50.200 --> 27:57.200]  Well, exactly. But that wasn't involved. But that wasn't involved. Our ownership of the property wasn't involved.
[27:57.200 --> 28:02.200]  The only thing that happened to the court when we had not been received any notice,
[28:02.200 --> 28:10.200]  what happened in the court was the court simply got a complaint alleging that there had been a holdover tenant.
[28:10.200 --> 28:19.200]  They produced documents that went into the court that alleged that they had some kind of a title interest in the court or in the property.
[28:19.200 --> 28:25.200]  They did not. And so what happened was that was fraud.
[28:25.200 --> 28:35.200]  And so an actionable cause in the case would be to go after the fraud that was promoted to the court.
[28:35.200 --> 28:37.200]  That was precisely my question.
[28:37.200 --> 28:39.200]  That's what I was wanting to know.
[28:39.200 --> 28:43.200]  And that goes against the person who brought the prosecution against us, not the court.
[28:43.200 --> 28:47.200]  The court was acting properly in accord with law with what it did.
[28:47.200 --> 28:51.200]  And the sheriff was acting properly in accord with law with what he did.
[28:51.200 --> 28:56.200]  That's precisely what I was going to say. You don't have a claim against the deputy.
[28:56.200 --> 29:01.200]  You don't have a claim against the sheriff. And you most likely have no claim against the court.
[29:01.200 --> 29:06.200]  If you have a claim, it's going to be against the plaintiff.
[29:06.200 --> 29:14.200]  That's what I was wanting to know. In this situation, you would file criminal charges against the plaintiff,
[29:14.200 --> 29:18.200]  like with the grand jury or with the prosecutor for fraud.
[29:18.200 --> 29:21.200]  Perhaps you'll file against the plaintiff, but that's why I was asking.
[29:21.200 --> 29:25.200]  Well, Debra, you wouldn't file criminal charges against the plaintiff in a case like that,
[29:25.200 --> 29:31.200]  because first of all, if you went to file the criminal charges, you have two problems.
[29:31.200 --> 29:35.200]  If you filed criminal charges first. Now, you could file criminal charges if you want to,
[29:35.200 --> 29:41.200]  but the crime would be something different than what you might expect.
[29:41.200 --> 29:42.200]  I hear you're going to a break.
[29:42.200 --> 29:47.200]  Yes, yes. I mean, because what we do, we work on the civil and the criminal side.
[29:47.200 --> 29:54.200]  I was just wanting to know what kind of charges we could file with the grand jury in addition to adjudication.
[29:54.200 --> 29:57.200]  Okay, we'll be right back. We'll be right back.
[29:57.200 --> 30:00.200]  Yeah.
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[31:00.200 --> 31:14.200]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the government them, prosecute them.
[31:14.200 --> 31:18.200]  Okay.
[31:18.200 --> 31:21.200]  All set.
[31:21.200 --> 31:50.200]  Okay, we are back.
[31:50.200 --> 31:53.200]  Okay, we are back.
[31:53.200 --> 32:00.200]  Okay, so there's many remedies that could be used in these kinds of situations,
[32:00.200 --> 32:03.200]  criminal, civil, commercial, things like that.
[32:03.200 --> 32:07.200]  Obviously, there were laws broken here, and that's what we do.
[32:07.200 --> 32:16.200]  But at any rate, what we really wanted to get you on for is to talk about the land patent issue.
[32:16.200 --> 32:20.200]  Before you go there, let's wrap that little piece up, because it's really easy.
[32:20.200 --> 32:24.200]  You asked a question right before we took the break, and we can answer that really simply.
[32:24.200 --> 32:29.200]  And that is, if you bring the criminal charges in a situation like that,
[32:29.200 --> 32:33.200]  and where you're dealing with basically a stacked deck in the court,
[32:33.200 --> 32:40.200]  if you bring the criminal charges, you're going to have to find someone that will prosecute the criminal charges.
[32:40.200 --> 32:46.200]  And the difficulty in getting the criminal charges prosecuted, because you can't prosecute them yourself.
[32:46.200 --> 32:51.200]  So what you do is you bring the civil action against the party for their violation.
[32:51.200 --> 32:58.200]  In the process of bringing the civil action, if any crime has become self-evident in the cause,
[32:58.200 --> 33:03.200]  then the court itself is supposed to charge the criminal action.
[33:03.200 --> 33:09.200]  And if they don't, and you prove your case in the civil side, and you bring your criminal charges then,
[33:09.200 --> 33:12.200]  you will have a DA that was fighting, and you already won the case.
[33:12.200 --> 33:17.200]  So it's basically a walk in the park for them on the criminal side.
[33:17.200 --> 33:21.200]  So that's why you go civil first in a situation like that,
[33:21.200 --> 33:26.200]  because when you go civil first, you're in control of the prosecution.
[33:26.200 --> 33:31.200]  So that's the remedy on that.
[33:31.200 --> 33:36.200]  You're in control of the prosecution of the civil action,
[33:36.200 --> 33:42.200]  and in the civil action you can develop more evidence you need to prove the crime.
[33:42.200 --> 33:45.200]  Yes, because you can use discovery and deposition and things like that.
[33:45.200 --> 33:49.200]  Exactly. When you're in the civil process, you have the ability.
[33:49.200 --> 33:54.200]  The plaintiff controls the court. The judge is just a referee.
[33:54.200 --> 33:58.200]  So when you go in most courts today, it doesn't feel like that, but that is the case.
[33:58.200 --> 34:01.200]  The plaintiff controls the court. The judge referees the case.
[34:01.200 --> 34:05.200]  And then there's a process that the case is proceeded forward with.
[34:05.200 --> 34:09.200]  So when you're in a civil cause, you get to present your charges first,
[34:09.200 --> 34:17.200]  and if you can prove those charges, and if in your proof of the civil liabilities you prove your charges,
[34:17.200 --> 34:23.200]  then you go to the criminal side, bang, your case is already proven in the civil court.
[34:23.200 --> 34:26.200]  And then it's just going to be a matter of process.
[34:26.200 --> 34:31.200]  If the case is processed properly, then you're going to prevail in most cases.
[34:31.200 --> 34:38.200]  Yeah, that's why we a lot of times go to the grand jury directly so that the prosecutor can't get in the way.
[34:38.200 --> 34:41.200]  Well, yeah, but if you go to the grand jury directly again
[34:41.200 --> 34:45.200]  and you don't have the prosecutor on your side because you already won the civil cause,
[34:45.200 --> 34:48.200]  then your battle is all uphill.
[34:48.200 --> 34:55.200]  When you go to the grand jury and the prosecution comes in to deal with the matter because they get to do that,
[34:55.200 --> 35:00.200]  then they're going to either sway the grand jury to go one way or the other.
[35:00.200 --> 35:06.200]  Quite frankly, most grand juries will go whatever way the prosecuting attorneys direct them.
[35:06.200 --> 35:07.200]  That's just the way they work.
[35:07.200 --> 35:09.200]  They don't know any better than most other people.
[35:09.200 --> 35:10.200]  People are ignorant.
[35:10.200 --> 35:12.200]  And that's the problem our country did.
[35:12.200 --> 35:16.200]  That's why we have the problems we have is because the people do not know the law,
[35:16.200 --> 35:20.200]  and they always go to some third party to learn what they've got to learn instead of going to the law itself.
[35:20.200 --> 35:26.200]  But if you've already won your civil case, then it's a non-issue at that point.
[35:26.200 --> 35:32.200]  Well, if you've already won your civil case, and you see there's a gigantic difference between civil and criminal.
[35:32.200 --> 35:36.200]  The gigantic example everybody's familiar with is the O.J. Simpson case.
[35:36.200 --> 35:41.200]  O.J. Simpson case comes forward on the criminal charges, and he's free.
[35:41.200 --> 35:51.200]  But if it goes to the civil charges and bang, he's found obligated to meet the damages of the civil case.
[35:51.200 --> 35:56.200]  Had the civil case gone forward first, you might have had a significantly different outcome.
[35:56.200 --> 36:00.200]  Just because you win a civil case doesn't mean you win a criminal case.
[36:00.200 --> 36:03.200]  But if you prove your criminal case in the civil case,
[36:03.200 --> 36:09.200]  everything that was proven in the civil case is a matter of record, and it's uncontestable.
[36:09.200 --> 36:16.200]  So when that gets presented in the criminal side, that these evidences are already matters of record for the state.
[36:16.200 --> 36:23.200]  It's pretty hard for them to prevail if you have someone prosecute in a case with the least degree of desire to win.
[36:23.200 --> 36:30.200]  And today, many of the prosecuting attorneys are operating in a political venue.
[36:30.200 --> 36:37.200]  Yes, and basically everything that you're saying is we're on the same page, because that's basically the same thing that we do, too.
[36:37.200 --> 36:40.200]  Yeah, that's the right way of going through the process.
[36:40.200 --> 36:50.200]  You know, you can go out and do the commercial remedies, but in a case like this one, yeah, civil is the best way to go first.
[36:50.200 --> 36:55.200]  And then if you want to go after the criminal prosecution, you may.
[36:55.200 --> 36:56.200]  But, you know...
[36:56.200 --> 37:04.200]  Where you have a civil claim, absolutely the civil, you have a lot more room to maneuver.
[37:04.200 --> 37:20.200]  We specialize in hammering prosecuting attorneys and bringing a prosecuting attorney to a position to where he either is unable to interfere with the grand jury
[37:20.200 --> 37:24.200]  or he's forced to bring the case before the grand jury.
[37:24.200 --> 37:31.200]  Due process is primarily what we do in this order, but where you have a good civil action, like in your case,
[37:31.200 --> 37:37.200]  you know, if all you have is criminal, you don't really have that option of going civil first.
[37:37.200 --> 37:40.200]  And then we work out ways of handling the process.
[37:40.200 --> 37:48.200]  If you're dealing with criminal, it's very rare that there's a criminal and actual crime that doesn't have a civil trespass going along with it.
[37:48.200 --> 37:53.200]  It's almost impossible to have a crime without a civil trespass.
[37:53.200 --> 38:04.200]  Crimes are criminal trespasses, they are trespasses, and whenever there's a trespass, if there's a criminal element, so be it.
[38:04.200 --> 38:07.200]  If there's a civil element, so be it.
[38:07.200 --> 38:11.200]  But if there's a criminal element, there's almost always a civil element.
[38:11.200 --> 38:15.200]  Mostly what we deal with is crimes by public officials.
[38:15.200 --> 38:24.200]  What you run into in the civil is public officials will claim qualified or sovereign immunity, rather than have it or not.
[38:24.200 --> 38:27.200]  And it's an incredibly tough hill to climb over.
[38:27.200 --> 38:34.200]  Oh, of course it is. I'm very familiar with it. I've removed two judges from the bench in court.
[38:34.200 --> 38:41.200]  You know, quote Warrantial Process and removed judges. So it's like, I understand completely.
[38:41.200 --> 38:50.200]  So we work with helping people to be able to utilize the criminal process.
[38:50.200 --> 38:56.200]  When public officials start violating laws, we specialize in going after them.
[38:56.200 --> 39:01.200]  Pretty hard today to find areas where you don't have that happening.
[39:01.200 --> 39:03.200]  Yeah, we don't have any problem finding venues.
[39:03.200 --> 39:05.200]  Yeah, there's plenty of work.
[39:05.200 --> 39:12.200]  I tell people it's not a matter of trying to find laws that the public officials broke.
[39:12.200 --> 39:16.200]  That's not a problem. You're going to find more laws they break than you can get to.
[39:16.200 --> 39:23.200]  So you need to get creative and pick the ones that serve your outcome rather than just everything you can charge,
[39:23.200 --> 39:29.200]  because Eddie Craig can tell you he's got about 400 complaints in his issue.
[39:29.200 --> 39:35.200]  A friend of mine just filed a hundred some odd in a case in Hays County,
[39:35.200 --> 39:39.200]  and the attorney general had to move to dismiss the case.
[39:39.200 --> 39:45.200]  And he was whining saying, well, if we allow citizens to file complaints like this,
[39:45.200 --> 39:48.200]  it'll shut down the whole criminal justice system.
[39:48.200 --> 39:55.200]  And Russell said, and your point is, quit breaking law, you won't have a problem.
[39:55.200 --> 40:00.200]  So anyway, let's go to the land patents now.
[40:00.200 --> 40:06.200]  And this is a very good discussion because I like to get into the strategy of,
[40:06.200 --> 40:11.200]  depending on a particular case, which one do you do first, the civil or the criminal?
[40:11.200 --> 40:16.200]  Sometimes you would want to do the criminal first. Sometimes you would want to do the civil first.
[40:16.200 --> 40:22.200]  I agree with our guests that if you can do the civil first,
[40:22.200 --> 40:27.200]  then yeah, it's much better because you can use discovery and deposition and all these things,
[40:27.200 --> 40:32.200]  and you get to prove up your evidence in the criminal case as a matter of permanent record,
[40:32.200 --> 40:34.200]  and you win and everything.
[40:34.200 --> 40:36.200]  But at any rate, let's go to the land patent thing.
[40:36.200 --> 40:45.200]  So all right, you had this event happen to you, horrible situation, so it led you to do some research.
[40:45.200 --> 40:52.200]  So what kind of research did you get into to lead you to the land patent issue?
[40:52.200 --> 40:56.200]  Well, again, the issue that we were dealing with was an issue dealing with land ownership.
[40:56.200 --> 41:01.200]  And so we found very quickly that because we were landowners,
[41:01.200 --> 41:08.200]  the laws of Colorado preclude an ownership issue, a land ownership issue,
[41:08.200 --> 41:11.200]  to be handled in the county court where evictions are handled.
[41:11.200 --> 41:13.200]  It has to be handled in the district courts.
[41:13.200 --> 41:21.200]  And so we worked to have the case moved up to the district court so we could deal with the land ownership issue
[41:21.200 --> 41:28.200]  and demonstrate in the county court that it wasn't an unlawful detainer eviction issue.
[41:28.200 --> 41:31.200]  It was an issue dealing with land ownership.
[41:31.200 --> 41:39.200]  The process of learning about the land ownership and delving into land ownership was an interesting one.
[41:39.200 --> 41:47.200]  I was raised in a family where we had a homestead on our property
[41:47.200 --> 41:54.200]  where the property was recognized by the state as being a homesteaded property.
[41:54.200 --> 42:00.200]  And the nature of the effect of the homesteaded property was pretty significantly different
[42:00.200 --> 42:06.200]  from those that didn't have a property that counted as a homestead.
[42:06.200 --> 42:14.200]  Basically, the major difference between them is that the homesteaded property was recognized as an allodial title.
[42:14.200 --> 42:16.200]  Now, allodial might be a new word for some people.
[42:16.200 --> 42:25.200]  Allodial is a, the word means that there is only one owner of both the land and the property.
[42:25.200 --> 42:31.200]  You have to understand, land is not what we typically think as we grow up and what we might read in statute.
[42:31.200 --> 42:38.200]  When it says vacant land and it describes vacant land as being the real estate,
[42:38.200 --> 42:43.200]  the land prior to there being any buildings built on it.
[42:43.200 --> 42:47.200]  And they statutorily describe or define that.
[42:47.200 --> 42:52.200]  Now, the problem that most people have with definitions, and most people that start studying law,
[42:52.200 --> 42:56.200]  they pick up a dictionary, a law dictionary, and then start studying the law dictionary
[42:56.200 --> 42:59.200]  and they find out that the words they thought they understood
[42:59.200 --> 43:03.200]  don't mean the same thing as they thought they understood them to mean when they get to law.
[43:03.200 --> 43:09.200]  And so they start relying on this dictionary definition that they see in things like Black's Law Dictionary.
[43:09.200 --> 43:19.200]  The reality is the dictionary is simply an example, a place where you get a sample of what some lexicographer,
[43:19.200 --> 43:26.200]  that's the person that writes the dictionary, went out and sampled the usage of particular word
[43:26.200 --> 43:33.200]  within the venue of the subject matter of the dictionary.
[43:33.200 --> 43:35.200]  Okay, yeah, hold on, there's the music.
[43:35.200 --> 43:42.200]  Yeah, and we just did a whole seminar basically on that concerning the legal definitions of terms
[43:42.200 --> 43:45.200]  and person isn't what you normally would think it is and stuff like that.
[43:45.200 --> 43:48.200]  So yeah, we're definitely on the same page all the way here.
[43:48.200 --> 43:49.200]  All right, we will be right back.
[43:49.200 --> 43:52.200]  Callers, if you could just hold off on your calls, please.
[43:52.200 --> 43:56.200]  We need to let our guest present his materials before we take calls.
[43:56.200 --> 44:24.200]  We'll be right back.
[44:26.200 --> 44:51.200]  Okay.
[44:51.200 --> 45:18.200]  Okay, we are back.
[45:18.200 --> 45:27.200]  And yeah, we're on the same page here because we basically did a seminar recently
[45:27.200 --> 45:32.200]  and that was a major part of it concerning these legal definitions.
[45:32.200 --> 45:39.200]  They're very rarely the same as a dictionary definition and often the definitions of specific terms
[45:39.200 --> 45:42.200]  are going to be different from chapter to chapter within the same statute.
[45:42.200 --> 45:46.200]  So yeah, absolutely, we're always making that point.
[45:46.200 --> 45:54.200]  If you go to teamlaw.net and you go onto our forum, which is teamlawforum.net,
[45:54.200 --> 46:01.200]  the website's address is teamlaw.org or teamlaw.net, and those are basically mirrored sites.
[46:01.200 --> 46:04.200]  Then there's our forum.
[46:04.200 --> 46:09.200]  On the forum, teamlawforum.net, and the websites have links to it,
[46:09.200 --> 46:13.200]  you'll find a thing that we call the cardinal rule of definition.
[46:13.200 --> 46:16.200]  And the thing to remember when you're dealing with a definition,
[46:16.200 --> 46:23.200]  the thing to remember is a dictionary definition is a sampling of the usage of the term
[46:23.200 --> 46:28.200]  as it's used within the field of practice that was the subject matter of the dictionary.
[46:28.200 --> 46:35.200]  Law dictionary, you'll be looking at the uses of words, typical usage of the word in the legal profession,
[46:35.200 --> 46:41.200]  and again, you're only going to get the samples that the lexicographer recorded.
[46:41.200 --> 46:47.200]  What that means is dictionary definitions are not definitive.
[46:47.200 --> 46:49.200]  That's the most important thing to remember.
[46:49.200 --> 46:53.200]  Dictionary definitions are not definitive, they're sampling.
[46:53.200 --> 46:57.200]  Now when you go to the statute, you have the exact opposite.
[46:57.200 --> 47:03.200]  When you find a definition in a statute, the statutory definition is definitive.
[47:03.200 --> 47:08.200]  It defines the usage of that word as it's going to be used in that statute.
[47:08.200 --> 47:11.200]  Again, the Patriot community and most of the law study groups,
[47:11.200 --> 47:16.200]  they missed the point entirely there by trying to apply a definition that they read,
[47:16.200 --> 47:23.200]  for example, in a tax code over to something that is in Title 42 or something of that nature.
[47:23.200 --> 47:29.200]  Statutory definitions only apply within the frame where they are defined.
[47:29.200 --> 47:33.200]  You just stepped on one of the pet peeves.
[47:33.200 --> 47:37.200]  This is one of the things I don't complain about more than any other.
[47:37.200 --> 47:40.200]  So again, as Randy is saying with his complaint,
[47:40.200 --> 47:46.200]  you cannot use a statutory definition in common usage.
[47:46.200 --> 47:50.200]  This is why most people misunderstand the word person,
[47:50.200 --> 47:52.200]  and you hear this in these seminars all the time.
[47:52.200 --> 47:55.200]  They'll point out what the word person means in the statute,
[47:55.200 --> 48:00.200]  but that means that when they use that word in that statute,
[48:00.200 --> 48:03.200]  they mean what they're defining.
[48:03.200 --> 48:06.200]  They don't mean the word as it's commonly used.
[48:06.200 --> 48:08.200]  That's why they had to give a separate definition.
[48:08.200 --> 48:13.200]  So when you're reading in a statute and it says United States,
[48:13.200 --> 48:16.200]  and then you go to the definitions for that particular statute
[48:16.200 --> 48:21.200]  and it says Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands,
[48:21.200 --> 48:27.200]  then that means that within the scope of that statute and nowhere else,
[48:27.200 --> 48:33.200]  the word used there as United States refers to Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.
[48:33.200 --> 48:38.200]  You have to understand definitions in dictionaries are not definitive.
[48:38.200 --> 48:39.200]  They're exemplary.
[48:39.200 --> 48:43.200]  They're an example of usage that may or may not apply.
[48:43.200 --> 48:45.200]  When you're looking at statutory definitions,
[48:45.200 --> 48:52.200]  they are the definitive word as to how the word is used in that particular statute and nowhere else,
[48:52.200 --> 48:54.200]  and that nowhere else is critically important.
[48:54.200 --> 48:58.200]  So when you're looking at this situation and we're finding out about land,
[48:58.200 --> 49:01.200]  you run into the issue of title for land.
[49:01.200 --> 49:06.200]  Now, when you're dealing with title for land, people talk about land and land title all the time.
[49:06.200 --> 49:10.200]  And when they're talking about land and land title, they have no idea,
[49:10.200 --> 49:13.200]  generally have no idea what they're talking about.
[49:13.200 --> 49:16.200]  They think that the title for the land is their deed.
[49:16.200 --> 49:23.200]  In fact, I thought my title for the land was my document that showed I was the owner of that land.
[49:23.200 --> 49:28.200]  No, those documents in law are called color of title.
[49:28.200 --> 49:30.200]  Your deed is merely color of title.
[49:30.200 --> 49:35.200]  Now, again, if you pick up the Black Law Dictionary and you look up color of title,
[49:35.200 --> 49:39.200]  it will say, usually indicates fraud.
[49:39.200 --> 49:41.200]  No, it does not usually indicate fraud.
[49:41.200 --> 49:45.200]  You have all these people run around and saying that the police are acting and operating only
[49:45.200 --> 49:48.200]  or merely under the color of law.
[49:48.200 --> 49:54.200]  Yeah, that means that they're applying what the statutes tell them to do if they're doing it lawfully.
[49:54.200 --> 49:59.200]  So there's no crime in them operating under the color of law.
[49:59.200 --> 50:02.200]  As a matter of fact, for the most part, they're not even operating for the state.
[50:02.200 --> 50:04.200]  They're operating for a private corporation.
[50:04.200 --> 50:05.200]  We'll get to that later.
[50:05.200 --> 50:11.200]  Bottom line, when you're dealing with land and land issues, it's important to know what land is.
[50:11.200 --> 50:16.200]  So in order to understand what land is, you have to know where the title for the land is.
[50:16.200 --> 50:18.200]  So you take a look at your deed,
[50:18.200 --> 50:24.200]  and it refers to somebody else who had the property that sold or conveyed it by whatever means to you.
[50:24.200 --> 50:28.200]  And then you'll find that they have a deed or a document, much like yours.
[50:28.200 --> 50:30.200]  They got it from someplace else.
[50:30.200 --> 50:39.200]  You'll have this chain of title that goes from where you are right now back into the past to the patent itself.
[50:39.200 --> 50:45.200]  Now, the patent is simply a grant of the land made patent.
[50:45.200 --> 50:54.200]  And what that means is some person having the sovereign authority to grant the land,
[50:54.200 --> 51:03.200]  and then seals that grant with a patent, which means now that this patent seal is put on it, it cannot be changed.
[51:03.200 --> 51:08.200]  So that title, that patent is in fact the title.
[51:08.200 --> 51:15.200]  Now, to understand what land is, you have to be able to go and pick up the patent and actually read the patent.
[51:15.200 --> 51:23.200]  When you read the patents, whether they come from Great Britain or Spain or France or from the United States or from a state governor,
[51:23.200 --> 51:30.200]  almost always, almost invariably, they will say that the grantor of the land,
[51:30.200 --> 51:37.200]  which is going to be the sovereign governmental body, is granting the land,
[51:37.200 --> 51:45.200]  and then it distinguishes the land by saying, and the property appurtenant to the land, to the person who is named on the grant.
[51:45.200 --> 51:55.200]  Now, when they distinguish the property appurtenant to the land from the land, that sets off the definition of what land is.
[51:55.200 --> 52:01.200]  What you have to understand is land is defined by the two-dimensional boundary on the surface of the earth.
[52:01.200 --> 52:04.200]  So you go to your deed and you see the two-dimensional boundary on the surface of the earth.
[52:04.200 --> 52:08.200]  It will either be a lot in a subdivision or it will be a stake in the ground here,
[52:08.200 --> 52:14.200]  and you go so much direction this way and then you go direction that way and so forth, and it's called meets and bounds.
[52:14.200 --> 52:20.200]  So you go the direction and the distance and then the direction and the distance back to the point of the beginning,
[52:20.200 --> 52:27.200]  and that description gives you a space, or it will be a plat and it will refer to a document where you have something written.
[52:27.200 --> 52:33.200]  Anyway, regardless of how the land is actually described, when you get the land description,
[52:33.200 --> 52:37.200]  it's defining a two-dimensional boundary on the surface of the earth.
[52:37.200 --> 52:42.200]  The land is defined by a third dimension as well.
[52:42.200 --> 52:50.200]  From the center of the earth to the heavens above, land is not the contents of that space.
[52:50.200 --> 52:53.200]  Rather, it is the space itself.
[52:53.200 --> 53:03.200]  To understand what land is, the definition of land, what land actually is, is better to understand the word domain.
[53:03.200 --> 53:10.200]  Once you understand the boundaries of the domain and that you have the control of that domain,
[53:10.200 --> 53:14.200]  then you understand what land ownership is.
[53:14.200 --> 53:20.200]  Now, the difference between the allodial title and the feudal title makes it even more clear.
[53:20.200 --> 53:25.200]  When the people came here originally, coming from Great Britain,
[53:25.200 --> 53:33.200]  the king, as in all kingdoms, operates land ownership under a feudal title.
[53:33.200 --> 53:44.200]  Now, feudal title means that the owner of the land and the owner of the property pertinent to land are two different parties.
[53:44.200 --> 53:52.200]  In other words, the king in a kingdom, like in Great Britain, the Queen of England, owns all of the land in Great Britain.
[53:52.200 --> 53:58.200]  There are no other landowners in Great Britain outside of the Queen. She owns it all.
[53:58.200 --> 54:01.200]  However, there are private property owners all over the place.
[54:01.200 --> 54:04.200]  They own their houses. They own the shrubs, the trees, the concrete.
[54:04.200 --> 54:08.200]  They own the stuff that sits within the land.
[54:08.200 --> 54:18.200]  But because the Queen owns the land, they are merely tenants on the land, and they come as tenants with their property.
[54:18.200 --> 54:26.200]  So they have to pay a tribute to the Queen so that she will allow them to keep their property on her land.
[54:26.200 --> 54:37.200]  And because she has the right to the tribute, you cannot take the property pertinent to the land away from her land without paying the proper tribute.
[54:37.200 --> 54:44.200]  Once you've got the recognition and the tribute paid, then you can take property from the land because the Queen has authorized that.
[54:44.200 --> 54:53.200]  Now, in this country, the distinction was when England first started trying to settle the United States of America, they failed.
[54:53.200 --> 54:56.200]  Every attempt they attempted failed.
[54:56.200 --> 55:04.200]  Their most successful attempt was the Jamestown Colony, which, when you read the history books, it says it was the first successful colony.
[55:04.200 --> 55:08.200]  It was not. It was not the first successful colony.
[55:08.200 --> 55:10.200]  I'm not talking about what went on down there in Florida.
[55:10.200 --> 55:16.200]  I'm talking about, in the United States of America at a time, what became the United States of America, what they called then Virginia.
[55:16.200 --> 55:25.200]  And it went from up above Canada, what we call Canada Day, down to the border between Georgia and Florida.
[55:25.200 --> 55:30.200]  That whole section of land was called Virginia.
[55:30.200 --> 55:43.200]  And when they first started trying to settle it, there were two companies given authority to issue and control the rights of the land.
[55:43.200 --> 55:46.200]  And they tried to set up colonies under the King.
[55:46.200 --> 55:48.200]  And Jamestown was one of them.
[55:48.200 --> 55:52.200]  There was the Northern Company, and they failed miserably.
[55:52.200 --> 55:54.200]  They never really got anything started.
[55:54.200 --> 55:55.200]  Jamestown got started.
[55:55.200 --> 56:03.200]  They built that building, and every year they'd come back and put more people there because every year virtually everyone died.
[56:03.200 --> 56:16.200]  If the person didn't die that year, they'd die from the effects, whether it was from famine or from natives or from disease.
[56:16.200 --> 56:21.200]  Regardless of what the cause, every single year virtually everyone died.
[56:21.200 --> 56:24.200]  And every year when they came on the ship, they had to repopulate the colony.
[56:24.200 --> 56:33.200]  It was not unlike that for other countries coming over and trying to populate the Americas.
[56:33.200 --> 56:42.200]  It became known to the people in France and England and Holland that to be sent to the Americas was a death sentence, and nobody wanted to go.
[56:42.200 --> 56:46.200]  People would jump ship just to not have to go to the Americas.
[56:46.200 --> 56:51.200]  The King knew he had to find a way of getting the people to willingly come.
[56:51.200 --> 56:55.200]  And so you have this thing that came into being called the King's Folly.
[56:55.200 --> 57:02.200]  In the King's Folly, what he did was he offered to grant land to the people.
[57:02.200 --> 57:10.200]  So they would receive the patent-secured land ownership, which would give them the sovereign right of self-government.
[57:10.200 --> 57:13.200]  In other words, they would no longer be subjects of the King.
[57:13.200 --> 57:19.200]  So contrary to popular opinion, Great Britain never ruled this country.
[57:19.200 --> 57:27.200]  Not once, not one day, not ever, not from the beginning of the first settling foot in the Jamestown colony, not through today.
[57:27.200 --> 57:30.200]  Great Britain never ruled this country.
[57:30.200 --> 57:34.200]  The War of Independence is what the colonists called it.
[57:34.200 --> 57:36.200]  They didn't call it the Revolutionary War.
[57:36.200 --> 57:38.200]  They called it the War of Independence.
[57:38.200 --> 57:41.200]  The Revolutionary War was Great Britain's name for the war.
[57:41.200 --> 57:52.200]  The War of Independence was dealing with the issue that Great Britain was trying to take control over the government unlawfully.
[57:52.200 --> 57:55.200]  And that's what ultimately became the cause for the war.
[57:55.200 --> 58:05.200]  But the setting of it and what got people to start coming, that first group, was they were granted the land and the right to self-government.
[58:05.200 --> 58:07.200]  Amazing, very amazing.
[58:07.200 --> 58:10.200]  Okay, we're going to take a break here.
[58:10.200 --> 58:11.200]  We've got top of the hour news.
[58:11.200 --> 58:15.200]  We've got Eric Madsen from TeamLaw with us.
[58:15.200 --> 58:16.200]  And we will be right back.
[58:16.200 --> 58:18.200]  We're going to be talking about this some more.
[58:18.200 --> 58:20.200]  Eric, please give us your website.
[58:20.200 --> 58:29.200]  Yeah, teamlaw.net and teamlaw.net, teamlawforums.net, teamlaw.org, those are all.
[58:29.200 --> 58:30.200]  Wonderful.
[58:30.200 --> 58:34.200]  And callers, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that want to call in.
[58:34.200 --> 58:43.200]  I have the phones turned off right now because we want to let Eric Madsen present his material and give an overview and talk about the things he feels are pertinent.
[58:43.200 --> 58:46.200]  And then we'll open up the phone lines later on in the show.
[58:46.200 --> 58:49.200]  Yeah, you can't possibly understand land if you don't understand what we're talking about right now.
[58:49.200 --> 58:50.200]  Right.
[58:50.200 --> 58:55.200]  So we don't want to take calls yet because many of your questions may be answered in the upcoming segments.
[58:55.200 --> 59:05.200]  We'll be right back.
[59:25.200 --> 59:35.200]  All right.
[59:35.200 --> 01:00:04.200]  Thank you very much.
[01:00:04.200 --> 01:00:14.200]  White House Budget Director Peter Orsak said Friday sending 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan would cost an extra $40 billion a year.
[01:00:14.200 --> 01:00:21.200]  Since the 2001 invasion, the Pentagon has spent $155 billion on the Afghanistan war.
[01:00:21.200 --> 01:00:30.200]  Barack Obama has extended U.S. economic sanctions against Iran for another year, despite his apparent overtures to the Islamic Republic.
[01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:35.200]  The sanctions are aimed at putting pressure on Iran to halt its nuclear program.
[01:00:35.200 --> 01:00:40.200]  Iran has said it will not give in to Western pressure over its legitimate nuclear rights.
[01:00:40.200 --> 01:00:47.200]  The federal deficit hit a record $176 billion for October as revenues plunged.
[01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:58.200]  The deficit for the 2009 budget year, which ended September 30th, set an all-time record of $1.42 trillion.
[01:00:58.200 --> 01:01:05.200]  Former U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair will be called to give evidence to an Iraq war inquiry in Britain early next year.
[01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:12.200]  Blair and senior Labour Party figures will be publicly grilled just months ahead of an expected general election.
[01:01:12.200 --> 01:01:15.200]  Inquiry Chairman Sir John Chilcot says,
[01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:20.200]  We will ask them to explain the main decisions and tasks and their involvement.
[01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:26.200]  The parents of soldiers killed in Iraq have already warned they intend to confront Blair at the hearings.
[01:01:26.200 --> 01:01:34.200]  Chilcot said the committee would be thorough, rigorous, fair and frank, but it is not for us to make findings of guilt or innocence.
[01:01:34.200 --> 01:01:36.200]  Only a court can do that.
[01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:44.200]  When he launched the inquiry, Chilcot said it would be as open as possible, with hearings televised and streamed online.
[01:01:44.200 --> 01:01:51.200]  But he said some hearings would be held in private for national security reasons or to allow more candour.
[01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:56.200]  This news brief brought to you by the International...
[01:01:56.200 --> 01:01:59.200]  Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, Abdul Qadir Khan.
[01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:07.200]  China gave Pakistan enough weapons-grade uranium in 1982 for two atomic bombs.
[01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:15.200]  The Washington Post says the secret deal was approved years earlier by Mao Tse Tung and Prime Minister Ali Bhutto.
[01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:21.200]  US officials say they have known about the transfer for decades, but have never raised the issue in public.
[01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:26.200]  Barack Obama, who said in April the world must stand together to prevent the spread of these weapons,
[01:02:26.200 --> 01:02:31.200]  plans to discuss nuclear proliferation while visiting Beijing Tuesday.
[01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:38.200]  According to Khan, the uranium cargo came with a blueprint for a simple weapon China had already tested,
[01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:44.200]  supplying a do-it-yourself kit that significantly speeded Pakistan's bomb-building effort.
[01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:49.200]  US officials worry that Khan later shared Chinese design information with Iran.
[01:02:49.200 --> 01:03:18.200]  In 2003, Libya confirmed obtaining the information from Khan's clandestine network.
[01:03:18.200 --> 01:03:30.200]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty
[01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:37.200]  I read his book and he says he cares not for the unsightly
[01:03:37.200 --> 01:03:46.200]  These warmongers come by that term rightly
[01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:49.200]  I won't pay for the war with my body
[01:03:49.200 --> 01:04:18.200]  I ain't gonna pay for the car with my body
[01:04:18.200 --> 01:04:20.200]  So please continue
[01:04:20.200 --> 01:04:24.200]  Well that's where the war came about, but when they granted the land, there was nothing unlawful about that.
[01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:26.200]  That was just, you know, conquer.
[01:04:26.200 --> 01:04:30.200]  Right, right. They were unlawfully trying to control
[01:04:30.200 --> 01:04:31.200]  You occupy, you take the place.
[01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:35.200]  But they were unlawfully trying to control the government after they granted the land.
[01:04:35.200 --> 01:04:37.200]  When you got to the war, yes.
[01:04:37.200 --> 01:04:48.200]  But that was hundreds of years after the initial settling of the country where the land was granted and the nation began.
[01:04:48.200 --> 01:05:00.200]  So in order to get the people, for the people to come across, the king offered that he would grant them the land and the right to self-government.
[01:05:00.200 --> 01:05:07.200]  And so what happened is there was a bunch of people that were called Puritans and they had moved.
[01:05:07.200 --> 01:05:14.200]  They had left England and gone to Holland and taken up residence in Holland and they were happily farming over there.
[01:05:14.200 --> 01:05:19.200]  And the Dutch were very happy to have them because they were very productive in their work.
[01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:35.200]  And so no loss to the Dutch for them to come to England and England was happy to have them gone because they were a thorn in the side of the king who was ruling also a little bit through religion.
[01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:41.200]  And if you weren't a member of the, because he had a battle going on with the Vatican,
[01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:50.200]  if you weren't a member of the English church, then you didn't fight favor in politics or anything else.
[01:05:50.200 --> 01:05:51.200]  So they moved to Holland.
[01:05:51.200 --> 01:06:02.200]  But when the king granted this offer, they saw an opportunity because they recognized as long as they were tenants, as they were in Holland on somebody else's land,
[01:06:02.200 --> 01:06:12.200]  because again Holland was a kingdom, they would remain unable to live in accord with their religious designs and desires.
[01:06:12.200 --> 01:06:15.200]  They couldn't live their religion unless they owned their land.
[01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:17.200]  And so they took the king up on his offer.
[01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:34.200]  They moved back to Great Britain, basically stayed quiet about their religious dealings, worked with the companies to arrange their transport to the United States or to the Americas,
[01:06:34.200 --> 01:06:44.200]  to Virginia as it was called back then, and it took them quite a while, about seven years to get all the negotiations done.
[01:06:44.200 --> 01:06:49.200]  But finally they negotiated that the land would be granted to them.
[01:06:49.200 --> 01:06:51.200]  They would have the right to self-govern.
[01:06:51.200 --> 01:07:04.200]  And they had to pay for their transportation, for Great Britain to transport them to the United States or to the Americas, what we call now the United States of America.
[01:07:04.200 --> 01:07:15.200]  They had to pay for that transportation, and the way they had to pay for it was they had to give Great Britain 50 percent of their production from the land for seven years.
[01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:20.200]  They couldn't pay for it in any other means, and that was what was arranged for.
[01:07:20.200 --> 01:07:26.200]  And so while they were doing that, they needed the other 50 percent to live on.
[01:07:26.200 --> 01:07:37.200]  And arriving here to this new land and not having things like paper or tin or sugar or many things that they needed,
[01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:47.200]  tea to survive and make life modernly pleasant in that time period, they needed to have other supplies that they would use up.
[01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:50.200]  So they had to buy those from Great Britain.
[01:07:50.200 --> 01:07:59.200]  And again, they didn't have any money to buy them with because everything that they were doing was going into their production, 50 percent of which was going to the king.
[01:07:59.200 --> 01:08:08.200]  So they had to set up long-term contracts for debt to purchase the things that they bought in accord with debts to the king.
[01:08:08.200 --> 01:08:22.200]  And that's what gave the king the ability to monitor what they were doing in their civil lives by making sure that the king approved and or appointed their judges and their governors.
[01:08:22.200 --> 01:08:33.200]  But they were still the judges and governors for the people here, and the people here were still under their own sovereign right of rule on their land and their properties.
[01:08:33.200 --> 01:08:38.200]  And they still paid the judges their wages and the governors their wages.
[01:08:38.200 --> 01:08:53.200]  And to make sure that they weren't trying to cheat the king, their contractual obligations operated such that the governors and judges and the like were approved of and or appointed by the king.
[01:08:53.200 --> 01:08:56.200]  And then they still operated and set their own laws.
[01:08:56.200 --> 01:09:04.200]  Well, seven years after that was done, the first Constitution was written. It was written in a town at or near Hartford.
[01:09:04.200 --> 01:09:05.200]  I forget where exactly.
[01:09:05.200 --> 01:09:08.200]  There were three major cities that got involved.
[01:09:08.200 --> 01:09:10.200]  Those three cities were in three different states.
[01:09:10.200 --> 01:09:13.200]  They actually used the term United States of America in that.
[01:09:13.200 --> 01:09:16.200]  That's the first time we see use of that term.
[01:09:16.200 --> 01:09:22.200]  And then we have the laws as they begin to develop here in this country all the way through to the present time.
[01:09:22.200 --> 01:09:29.200]  Starting then with these independent states that were recognized as sovereign independent states.
[01:09:29.200 --> 01:09:37.200]  And so by the time you get to the French-American War, what happens is the French and England are at war.
[01:09:37.200 --> 01:09:46.200]  And so the French come up to the Canadian Indians and negotiate with them and tell them, hey, we're going to go to, you know, we're at war with England and we're going to be fighting these people.
[01:09:46.200 --> 01:09:49.200]  And you can come help fight us and we'll give you this stuff back.
[01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:52.200]  So it's like, cool. So they got involved.
[01:09:52.200 --> 01:10:02.200]  And you have the Canadian Indians and the French support coming into the colonists in the French-American War.
[01:10:02.200 --> 01:10:06.200]  Well, Great Britain sees the loss of this massive commerce that they've developed.
[01:10:06.200 --> 01:10:08.200]  And so they come over to defend.
[01:10:08.200 --> 01:10:19.200]  And as they come over to defend, the country, with the help of the Redcoats, were able to defeat the French and win the French-American War.
[01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:30.200]  Problem being that France is still at war with Great Britain and they've got to ensure that the French don't come back.
[01:10:30.200 --> 01:10:36.200]  So a lot of troops go home, many of them stay, and there's no place for them to stay.
[01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:38.200]  They start building some forts.
[01:10:38.200 --> 01:10:42.200]  But meanwhile, they house the troops with the people.
[01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:45.200]  And that's not a very friendly thing to have happen.
[01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:58.200]  So they house the guns that everybody has in the armory for the military and all of the situations that cause the War of Independence take place,
[01:10:58.200 --> 01:11:04.200]  most of those being that England started trying to set statutes to control this country.
[01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:12.200]  Well, when England started trying to set statutes to control this country, that caused the states to get together and form their own parliament.
[01:11:12.200 --> 01:11:21.200]  And their response to Great Britain was, look, you guys are trying to form statutes to control this country when the only right you have to control here is contract.
[01:11:21.200 --> 01:11:24.200]  And you don't have any right to control us politically.
[01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:36.200]  For crying out loud, there's not a single person in your parliament that owns one inch of land and virtually 80 percent of the population here owns over 50 acres of land.
[01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:48.200]  So how could you even hope to write statutes to control us when we are sovereign, independent kings of our own natural, God-given, inherent rights and you have nothing?
[01:11:48.200 --> 01:11:51.200]  And this was their argument that went back to Great Britain.
[01:11:51.200 --> 01:12:03.200]  Well, Great Britain kept trying to adjust what they were dealing with and control the commercial dealings through their controls with things like a sales tax.
[01:12:03.200 --> 01:12:10.200]  The famous one that everybody is familiar with was the Thompson Act that changed the tax on tea.
[01:12:10.200 --> 01:12:24.200]  Drop the sales tax from everything except for a few products, tea was one of them, and raise the price of the sales tax, get this, from 3 percent to 6 percent.
[01:12:24.200 --> 01:12:31.200]  And most places in the country is way over that today, but they went from 3 percent to 6 percent, dropped it off of everything else.
[01:12:31.200 --> 01:12:34.200]  That's not what made the people mad.
[01:12:34.200 --> 01:12:45.200]  What made the people so furious was Great Britain and the Townsend Acts proposed to take over the payments.
[01:12:45.200 --> 01:12:56.200]  The increased tax from 3 percent to 6 percent was set to be those funds were going to go to pay for the judges and the governors of the states.
[01:12:56.200 --> 01:13:07.200]  Now, that would remove the control of the people over their own judges and their own governors, and that was the thing that started people stockpiling the ammunition and the guns and the food,
[01:13:07.200 --> 01:13:16.200]  and all of those things would start ultimately the Lexington Concord skirmishes that was the first taste of war,
[01:13:16.200 --> 01:13:25.200]  not long after which the Bunker Hill incident and Great Britain moved out of Boston, which is their headquarters, and changed down into the New York area.
[01:13:25.200 --> 01:13:34.200]  Never to go back to Boston, but the Bostonians kicked them out, and the whole people in that neighborhood kicked them out of the area, and that was the end of that.
[01:13:34.200 --> 01:13:36.200]  Again, what was the cause?
[01:13:36.200 --> 01:13:46.200]  Great Britain was trying to take over the control of government for the first time in the history of the colonization of the New World, as they called it.
[01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:54.200]  So now the war ended up being the cause of the formation of the Articles of Confederation.
[01:13:54.200 --> 01:13:59.200]  A lot of people try to argue that the Articles of Confederation are still in full force and effect.
[01:13:59.200 --> 01:14:00.200]  They are not.
[01:14:00.200 --> 01:14:01.200]  They are defunct.
[01:14:01.200 --> 01:14:12.200]  They have no weight or value in law whatsoever other than a historical mistake that was learned through the process of trying to live in accord with them for about 10 years,
[01:14:12.200 --> 01:14:17.200]  and that was the reason why the college formed to set the Constitution in place.
[01:14:17.200 --> 01:14:26.200]  Now when the Constitution came into place, again, it was talked about by many as the Great Experiment.
[01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:28.200]  And what was the Great Experiment?
[01:14:28.200 --> 01:14:34.200]  The Great Experiment was to see if the people were smart enough to control the government themselves,
[01:14:34.200 --> 01:14:43.200]  because the Constitution set up the government under the control of the people and did not give government authority to control the people.
[01:14:43.200 --> 01:14:49.200]  That thing has changed between then and now and largely by contractual relations.
[01:14:49.200 --> 01:14:57.200]  So when we are dealing with land, again, we see the difference in the ownership of land being very clear when you look at the feudal title,
[01:14:57.200 --> 01:15:03.200]  because in feudal title the land or the domain is owned by the king.
[01:15:03.200 --> 01:15:10.200]  And everyone who sits within that scope is a tenant on the king's land.
[01:15:10.200 --> 01:15:18.200]  You can own the private property, but while it's there on the king's land, you have to do it the king's way,
[01:15:18.200 --> 01:15:26.200]  which is because you're a tenant, thereby his offering you to be that guest under the terms and conditions allowed.
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:37.200]  So as we come forward with a constitutional republic and we have a lodeal title for land being granted by the king to the Mayflower colonists
[01:15:37.200 --> 01:15:44.200]  and to the people that have come to this country there ever after, land and property appurtenant to the land
[01:15:44.200 --> 01:15:51.200]  were joined together to be owned by the single individual and not under a kingdom.
[01:15:51.200 --> 01:16:00.200]  Another term for that that goes back to that feudal title is you'll see it, this is the term you see all the time, fee simple or fee simple absolute.
[01:16:00.200 --> 01:16:07.200]  And what it means is not fee, people see the word FEE and they think it means fee like you pay a price.
[01:16:07.200 --> 01:16:11.200]  It has nothing to do with a price, it has only to do with fealty.
[01:16:11.200 --> 01:16:20.200]  It's an abbreviation for fealty and it means simple fealty in that there is no other party.
[01:16:20.200 --> 01:16:28.200]  You have the landowner is the owner of the land and that same person is the owner of the property appurtenant land.
[01:16:28.200 --> 01:16:33.200]  So simple fealty is where you own your own.
[01:16:33.200 --> 01:16:34.200]  Wonderful.
[01:16:34.200 --> 01:16:35.200]  And fee simple.
[01:16:35.200 --> 01:16:40.200]  Okay listen we're going to break, we'll be talking about this more on the other side.
[01:16:40.200 --> 01:16:43.200]  This is excellent to learn the history.
[01:16:43.200 --> 01:16:44.200]  Where you get the land passed on the other side.
[01:16:44.200 --> 01:16:49.200]  Yes absolutely we have to have this background so that we can fully understand the process.
[01:16:49.200 --> 01:16:53.200]  Alright we'll be right back, callers just hold your calls.
[01:16:53.200 --> 01:16:59.200]  We're going to let Eric present his material and then we'll take calls we'll be right back.
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[01:18:17.200 --> 01:18:20.200]  Okay we are back with Eric Madsen.
[01:18:20.200 --> 01:18:26.200]  Okay so Eric you are talking about the concept of field tea. Please continue.
[01:18:26.200 --> 01:18:31.200]  Yeah when you are dealing with field tea you are dealing with there is a separate owner of the land
[01:18:31.200 --> 01:18:35.200]  from the owner of the property. Does that mean that the king can't own property as well?
[01:18:35.200 --> 01:18:39.200]  No. The king can own property as well. The king can own the land and the property.
[01:18:39.200 --> 01:18:44.200]  Or he can just own the land. But no matter what in a kingdom he will own the land
[01:18:44.200 --> 01:18:48.200]  and no one else owns any land in the kingdom other than the king.
[01:18:48.200 --> 01:18:56.200]  Now you always have a feudal title in the king even if the king's ownership of property pertinent to that land
[01:18:56.200 --> 01:19:04.200]  is owned in field tea simple or fee simple absolute or a lodeo title as it were.
[01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:09.200]  In this country you have the exact opposite situation.
[01:19:09.200 --> 01:19:17.200]  From the very beginning all of the people that owned land in this country also owned the property pertinent to land.
[01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:24.200]  And on the onset of things that was in fact the thing that made it such a powerful place to be
[01:19:24.200 --> 01:19:26.200]  and such an awesome opportunity.
[01:19:26.200 --> 01:19:34.200]  But we will also see through that process that that has no effect on the private contractual relation.
[01:19:34.200 --> 01:19:39.200]  So if you want to enter into a private contract dealing with that private property
[01:19:39.200 --> 01:19:46.200]  the fact that you own the land and the property is not going to interfere with your private contractual ability.
[01:19:46.200 --> 01:19:51.200]  This is a gigantic misnomer that most people don't understand when they start dealing with land interests
[01:19:51.200 --> 01:19:57.200]  and they start seeing the old laws that talk about land ownership and the fact that
[01:19:57.200 --> 01:20:04.200]  when you have the patent of the land the patent and the land are not subject to debt or taxes.
[01:20:04.200 --> 01:20:09.200]  That's because they had nothing whatsoever to do with the contractual relation between you and others.
[01:20:09.200 --> 01:20:14.200]  It only has to do with the ownership of the land and the property pertinent to land.
[01:20:14.200 --> 01:20:21.200]  So the foundation of how land operates in this country was set by the King of Great Britain
[01:20:21.200 --> 01:20:27.200]  when he started granting land to the people along with the property pertinent to land.
[01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:32.200]  So they acquired it all by grant. They got it at no cost whatsoever.
[01:20:32.200 --> 01:20:37.200]  All they had to do was come over here and work it. As they came over and started working it
[01:20:37.200 --> 01:20:45.200]  they produced crops, whatever, raw materials. The raw materials were manufactured into other things
[01:20:45.200 --> 01:20:53.200]  and they started marketing those crops and raw materials and manufactured products to other parties
[01:20:53.200 --> 01:20:57.200]  and then you start your shipping and marketing coming from this country
[01:20:57.200 --> 01:21:01.200]  and as you have a society building and growing they start developing things.
[01:21:01.200 --> 01:21:09.200]  From the war of independence in the United States of America we have the Articles of Confederation.
[01:21:09.200 --> 01:21:14.200]  Like I said a lot of people come up and have the idea that they're still in full force and effect
[01:21:14.200 --> 01:21:21.200]  but that isn't true and it's easily demonstrated that that isn't true by simply looking at how they operated.
[01:21:21.200 --> 01:21:28.200]  The Articles of Confederation required all of the states to agree in order to do anything.
[01:21:28.200 --> 01:21:31.200]  There's one of the big gigantic problems in the thing.
[01:21:31.200 --> 01:21:38.200]  Rhode Island would never agree on anything so the entire time they almost never got anything accomplished
[01:21:38.200 --> 01:21:43.200]  because if everybody else would agree Rhode Island wouldn't agree and they called it Rogue Island
[01:21:43.200 --> 01:21:46.200]  because it always stood to the side of everybody else.
[01:21:46.200 --> 01:21:49.200]  As a matter of fact when the Constitution came into play
[01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:55.200]  Rhode Island even though they signed in did not give up their charter with England
[01:21:55.200 --> 01:22:00.200]  until after the 1800s.
[01:22:00.200 --> 01:22:05.200]  It was like 1850 or something I forget exactly when it was don't hold me to the date
[01:22:05.200 --> 01:22:10.200]  but it was sometime in the 1800s well after the formation of the Constitutional Republic.
[01:22:10.200 --> 01:22:15.200]  The thing that was unique about the Constitutional Republic again is that a central government
[01:22:15.200 --> 01:22:18.200]  and amen to the idea that the states are sovereign.
[01:22:18.200 --> 01:22:19.200]  They are not sovereign.
[01:22:19.200 --> 01:22:25.200]  It's easy to tell they're not sovereign because the Article 1, Section 10 of the National Constitution says
[01:22:25.200 --> 01:22:28.200]  no state shall.
[01:22:28.200 --> 01:22:32.200]  Now when you've got something that says no state shall you're not sovereign
[01:22:32.200 --> 01:22:37.200]  because you're limited by that law and the control of the national government
[01:22:37.200 --> 01:22:39.200]  and its effect of controlling that law.
[01:22:39.200 --> 01:22:44.200]  So what is this thing that they call sovereignty when you're looking with a sovereign immunity
[01:22:44.200 --> 01:22:48.200]  that they talk about in the United States government and in the states
[01:22:48.200 --> 01:22:53.200]  when you're dealing with actions against them and actions against officers acting for the state.
[01:22:53.200 --> 01:23:00.200]  Well the thing that they call sovereign immunity is they're acting in the collective sovereign authority
[01:23:00.200 --> 01:23:03.200]  that was granted to them by the people.
[01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:06.200]  So the authority that was granted to them is the people's authority.
[01:23:06.200 --> 01:23:11.200]  So again when they're acting they're acting in your name
[01:23:11.200 --> 01:23:16.200]  and that means you have to know what the laws are and you have to control them.
[01:23:16.200 --> 01:23:21.200]  If you don't know how to control them then you will not be able to control them
[01:23:21.200 --> 01:23:24.200]  and that is the elemental necessity,
[01:23:24.200 --> 01:23:33.200]  elemental necessary component in why the people have to learn the law and learn how to apply it.
[01:23:33.200 --> 01:23:44.200]  So I'm right now thinking of a quote that Thomas Jefferson made when he was dealing with,
[01:23:44.200 --> 01:24:01.200]  he was assigned to be the ambassador to Great Britain after the war was over.
[01:24:01.200 --> 01:24:11.200]  Cornwallis had surrendered and they had gone over to France to negotiate the peace
[01:24:11.200 --> 01:24:17.200]  and there were documents called the provisional agreement that were drawn up
[01:24:17.200 --> 01:24:24.200]  and those provisional agreements set the stage for the final agreement that was going to be
[01:24:24.200 --> 01:24:31.200]  or supposedly set the stage for the final agreement that was going to be the Paris Treaty of Peace a year later.
[01:24:31.200 --> 01:24:47.200]  Well what the provisional agreements called for was the recognition in this country that all of the contracts
[01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:57.200]  that were already in place would remain in place and be of full force and effect.
[01:24:57.200 --> 01:25:05.200]  Well the problem with that is that those contracts that were in place
[01:25:05.200 --> 01:25:10.200]  were the very contracts that Great Britain was trying to use to take over the powers of government.
[01:25:10.200 --> 01:25:14.200]  They were actually executing those and trying to take over governmental power
[01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:17.200]  because of those contractual obligations.
[01:25:17.200 --> 01:25:24.200]  What Thomas Jefferson said when he came back, he wouldn't sign the provisional agreements,
[01:25:24.200 --> 01:25:30.200]  he said they could take them to hell and he would leave and he wouldn't have anything to do with them again
[01:25:30.200 --> 01:25:33.200]  and there's no way he would agree with that.
[01:25:33.200 --> 01:25:38.200]  Benjamin Franklin was quite upset with them and John Adams was one of the other Plenty Potentaries
[01:25:38.200 --> 01:25:42.200]  and Thomas Jefferson left, he wouldn't have anything to do with it.
[01:25:42.200 --> 01:25:48.200]  He came back, he said he'd fight to his dying breath before he would have signed those or agree to that in any way
[01:25:48.200 --> 01:25:55.200]  and came back and he says, our rulers will become corrupt unless our people, excuse me,
[01:25:55.200 --> 01:25:58.200]  our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless.
[01:25:58.200 --> 01:26:05.200]  The time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while the rulers are honest and ourselves united.
[01:26:05.200 --> 01:26:09.200]  From the conclusion of this war we shall be going downhill.
[01:26:09.200 --> 01:26:15.200]  It will not be necessary to resort every moment to the people for government.
[01:26:15.200 --> 01:26:19.200]  He's talking about the government won't have to resort to the people for their support.
[01:26:19.200 --> 01:26:25.200]  He says they will be forgotten, therefore their rights disregarded.
[01:26:25.200 --> 01:26:27.200]  They're talking about the people, he says.
[01:26:27.200 --> 01:26:32.200]  They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money
[01:26:32.200 --> 01:26:38.200]  and will never think of uniting to affect the due respect for their rights.
[01:26:38.200 --> 01:26:45.200]  The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war will remain on us long,
[01:26:45.200 --> 01:26:51.200]  will be made heavier and heavier until our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.
[01:26:51.200 --> 01:26:55.200]  What he was talking about is the necessity of the people learning the law and applying it.
[01:26:55.200 --> 01:26:58.200]  Same thing Benjamin Franklin said when he came out of the meeting
[01:26:58.200 --> 01:27:05.200]  and Mrs. Powell said to him, what'd you give us, a republic or a monarchy?
[01:27:05.200 --> 01:27:08.200]  And he said a constitutional republic if you can keep it.
[01:27:08.200 --> 01:27:10.200]  Now I'm paraphrasing there, it's not the whole conversation.
[01:27:10.200 --> 01:27:15.200]  But what he meant again is we have to know the law, we have to know what our rights are.
[01:27:15.200 --> 01:27:18.200]  So our deal with land and land rights and land patent,
[01:27:18.200 --> 01:27:21.200]  knowing the foundation we've just covered is absolutely critical.
[01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:25.200]  Knowing that when you read the land patent and the words say,
[01:27:25.200 --> 01:27:31.200]  that the land is given and granted to the person named on the patent
[01:27:31.200 --> 01:27:36.200]  and that the land and the property of pertinence of the land
[01:27:36.200 --> 01:27:41.200]  is granted to that person and to their heirs and the signs forever.
[01:27:41.200 --> 01:27:43.200]  Now that again is another critical element.
[01:27:43.200 --> 01:27:45.200]  You have to understand language.
[01:27:45.200 --> 01:27:53.200]  The land was granted and then added to the grant of the land was the property of pertinence of the land
[01:27:53.200 --> 01:27:59.200]  and then it was granted to that person who was named and to their heirs and the signs forever.
[01:27:59.200 --> 01:28:03.200]  So now we have a distinction between the land,
[01:28:03.200 --> 01:28:07.200]  which is the empty vacant space defined by the boundaries.
[01:28:07.200 --> 01:28:09.200]  The boundaries are two-dimensional on the surface of the earth.
[01:28:09.200 --> 01:28:12.200]  Their extents go from the center of the earth to the heavens above.
[01:28:12.200 --> 01:28:16.200]  Anything within that space is the domain.
[01:28:16.200 --> 01:28:21.200]  Anything that sits within that space, real property, again land is not tangible,
[01:28:21.200 --> 01:28:26.200]  anything that sits within that that's real property is the property of pertinence of the land,
[01:28:26.200 --> 01:28:33.200]  in other words the property that appertains to the land and therefore its private ownership,
[01:28:33.200 --> 01:28:39.200]  whether it be by the same landowner as the land or by a different party,
[01:28:39.200 --> 01:28:42.200]  is something different and distinctive.
[01:28:42.200 --> 01:28:47.200]  Problem being, as we come forward in time, people, as Thomas Jefferson warned,
[01:28:47.200 --> 01:28:54.200]  will forget what their rights are in the sole purpose and faculty of making money
[01:28:54.200 --> 01:28:58.200]  and they'll never think of uniting and in fact with due respect to their rights.
[01:28:58.200 --> 01:29:01.200]  So what happens is when they have something happen like I did,
[01:29:01.200 --> 01:29:07.200]  where we suddenly find myself thrown out of my home,
[01:29:07.200 --> 01:29:13.200]  thankfully we had enough documents to demonstrate that my wife was the owner
[01:29:13.200 --> 01:29:16.200]  and she hadn't been evicted, she wasn't even on the instrument.
[01:29:16.200 --> 01:29:19.200]  So that gave us the time to go out and learn about such things as this
[01:29:19.200 --> 01:29:23.200]  and begin to secure the land and the property of pertinence of the land.
[01:29:23.200 --> 01:29:28.200]  Now, another issue that comes and becomes important when you're dealing with land patent
[01:29:28.200 --> 01:29:35.200]  and that is you notice that the land patent is a grant, grant-made patent.
[01:29:35.200 --> 01:29:37.200]  All right, hold that thought, Eric.
[01:29:37.200 --> 01:29:41.200]  This is wonderful stuff, very empowering.
[01:29:41.200 --> 01:29:43.200]  We'll be right back with Eric.
[01:29:43.200 --> 01:29:44.200]  I think so.
[01:29:44.200 --> 01:29:47.200]  It's incredible.
[01:29:47.200 --> 01:29:48.200]  I'm psyched.
[01:29:48.200 --> 01:30:00.200]  I can't wait to get mine.
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[01:31:19.200 --> 01:31:21.200]  Okay, we're back.
[01:31:21.200 --> 01:31:25.200]  So we were discussing quickly on the break the difference between the land
[01:31:25.200 --> 01:31:31.200]  and the property of pertinent to the land.
[01:31:31.200 --> 01:31:32.200]  Is that right?
[01:31:32.200 --> 01:31:33.200]  That's right.
[01:31:33.200 --> 01:31:35.200]  The property pertaining to the land.
[01:31:35.200 --> 01:31:36.200]  The property pertaining to the land.
[01:31:36.200 --> 01:31:39.200]  It doesn't mean the mineral rights or the rights to real water.
[01:31:39.200 --> 01:31:40.200]  That would include the mineral rights.
[01:31:40.200 --> 01:31:42.200]  It would include anything that you can touch.
[01:31:42.200 --> 01:31:44.200]  But it's not limited to that.
[01:31:44.200 --> 01:31:45.200]  It means everything.
[01:31:45.200 --> 01:31:46.200]  No.
[01:31:46.200 --> 01:31:47.200]  Everything.
[01:31:47.200 --> 01:31:50.200]  The land is merely the empty vacant space.
[01:31:50.200 --> 01:31:51.200]  Here's an example, okay?
[01:31:51.200 --> 01:31:55.200]  If you've got a place, you've got a house, you know, you've got a backyard and whatnot,
[01:31:55.200 --> 01:31:58.200]  and you decide you want to dig a swimming pool, right?
[01:31:58.200 --> 01:32:02.200]  So you go out there and you dig out this hole, and now you've got this big pile of dirt.
[01:32:02.200 --> 01:32:03.200]  What do you do with a pile of dirt?
[01:32:03.200 --> 01:32:04.200]  You know, it doesn't fit with your landscaping.
[01:32:04.200 --> 01:32:05.200]  You want to get rid of it.
[01:32:05.200 --> 01:32:12.200]  So couldn't you sell that pile of dirt to your neighbor or to somebody that wants some dirt?
[01:32:12.200 --> 01:32:15.200]  Or give it away as clean-filled dirt if you want to?
[01:32:15.200 --> 01:32:17.200]  I mean, you don't have to keep it.
[01:32:17.200 --> 01:32:19.200]  You can give it away, right?
[01:32:19.200 --> 01:32:20.200]  Sure.
[01:32:20.200 --> 01:32:21.200]  Are you still there?
[01:32:21.200 --> 01:32:22.200]  Do you hear me?
[01:32:22.200 --> 01:32:23.200]  Yes, of course.
[01:32:23.200 --> 01:32:24.200]  Oh, okay.
[01:32:24.200 --> 01:32:25.200]  I wasn't hearing an answer.
[01:32:25.200 --> 01:32:26.200]  Yes, of course.
[01:32:26.200 --> 01:32:27.200]  Okay.
[01:32:27.200 --> 01:32:28.200]  So yeah, it's not your...
[01:32:28.200 --> 01:32:32.200]  I mean, and then once you've sold it, I like the example of the sale, because once you
[01:32:32.200 --> 01:32:36.200]  sold it to the neighbor or to the construction site down the road or whatever, once you've
[01:32:36.200 --> 01:32:39.200]  sold it, do you have any right to that dirt anymore?
[01:32:39.200 --> 01:32:41.200]  Well, I would think not.
[01:32:41.200 --> 01:32:43.200]  No, it's gone.
[01:32:43.200 --> 01:32:44.200]  You contract it away.
[01:32:44.200 --> 01:32:45.200]  You're no longer on the dirt.
[01:32:45.200 --> 01:32:47.200]  Well, what about the hole?
[01:32:47.200 --> 01:32:51.200]  Don't you still own the space where the dirt was?
[01:32:51.200 --> 01:32:52.200]  Absolutely.
[01:32:52.200 --> 01:32:54.200]  That's land.
[01:32:54.200 --> 01:32:58.200]  The empty vacant space, the domain itself.
[01:32:58.200 --> 01:33:04.200]  Again, why keep using the term domain as an equivalent word to land, and that is exactly
[01:33:04.200 --> 01:33:05.200]  proper.
[01:33:05.200 --> 01:33:09.200]  Granted, if you go and look up a statutory definition in the state, it's going to add
[01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:13.200]  in the rocks, the shrubs, the trees, the dirt, and everything else, which is going to muddy
[01:33:13.200 --> 01:33:17.200]  up the whole world of understanding what land is when you're dealing with the patent and
[01:33:17.200 --> 01:33:19.200]  what the patent says.
[01:33:19.200 --> 01:33:23.200]  Because the patent is plainly and clearly, and from the very beginning when the king
[01:33:23.200 --> 01:33:27.200]  granted the patent, they were first granted over here, the pattern after which all of
[01:33:27.200 --> 01:33:34.200]  the patents followed, he granted that land, that thing which made him king, he granted
[01:33:34.200 --> 01:33:39.200]  to them, which gave them the right of self-government.
[01:33:39.200 --> 01:33:40.200]  Okay?
[01:33:40.200 --> 01:33:45.200]  So, the bottom line is the land itself is the empty vacant space.
[01:33:45.200 --> 01:33:50.200]  It contains nothing when you're just talking about the land.
[01:33:50.200 --> 01:33:54.200]  If you were to exclude the property of pertinent land, you'd have this hole that goes to the
[01:33:54.200 --> 01:33:57.200]  center of the earth, and if you could stand the heat, you could go down and look at the
[01:33:57.200 --> 01:34:01.200]  magma swirling around you if you took out all of that which you owned.
[01:34:01.200 --> 01:34:02.200]  Okay?
[01:34:02.200 --> 01:34:04.200]  So, within that, are there minerals?
[01:34:04.200 --> 01:34:05.200]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:34:05.200 --> 01:34:06.200]  Put everything back in the hole.
[01:34:06.200 --> 01:34:10.200]  You come back up and you look around and yeah, there's gold, there's silver, there's oil,
[01:34:10.200 --> 01:34:14.200]  there's water, there's just about anything you want in that space someplace.
[01:34:14.200 --> 01:34:17.200]  Once you get above the solid ground, there's air that you breathe.
[01:34:17.200 --> 01:34:20.200]  Again, air that you breathe is a tangible thing.
[01:34:20.200 --> 01:34:25.200]  Therefore, it is not, elementally, part of the land.
[01:34:25.200 --> 01:34:28.200]  It is in a pertinent to the land.
[01:34:28.200 --> 01:34:32.200]  If there's a lake out there and there's fish swimming in the lake, you got the lake.
[01:34:32.200 --> 01:34:34.200]  Where does this authority come from?
[01:34:34.200 --> 01:34:37.200]  Genesis 1, 28.
[01:34:37.200 --> 01:34:41.200]  Man was given the commandment, be fruitful and multiply, replenish, and subdue the earth.
[01:34:41.200 --> 01:34:45.200]  By the way, that's the first commandment man ever received from God.
[01:34:45.200 --> 01:34:52.200]  And when you go just before that, God gave man dominion, agency, and possession, the
[01:34:52.200 --> 01:34:55.200]  three elements that define sovereignty.
[01:34:55.200 --> 01:35:01.200]  In law in the United States of America, that is the source in law that defines sovereignty.
[01:35:01.200 --> 01:35:06.200]  Dominion, agency, and possession that was granted to man by God and is referenced in
[01:35:06.200 --> 01:35:12.200]  Torah, which is the first five books of the Bible, which is recognized as foundational
[01:35:12.200 --> 01:35:14.200]  law in the United States of America.
[01:35:14.200 --> 01:35:19.200]  And the United States government has even told the people in recent times that the Bible
[01:35:19.200 --> 01:35:23.200]  is the word of God, and they admonish us to learn and apply it.
[01:35:23.200 --> 01:35:28.200]  They did that in Public Law 97-280, as they recognized that as an element of law.
[01:35:28.200 --> 01:35:33.200]  Therefore, it would be wise for us to learn that, not just learn it, but learn and apply it.
[01:35:33.200 --> 01:35:38.200]  So we got dominion, agency, and possession, which is sovereignty.
[01:35:38.200 --> 01:35:42.200]  We were then given a commandment, be fruitful and multiply, replenish, and subdue the earth.
[01:35:42.200 --> 01:35:45.200]  Now, I'm not going to go out of great detail on that.
[01:35:45.200 --> 01:35:49.200]  When you go to TeamLaw's website, teamlaw.net, you go over there and you read about stuff.
[01:35:49.200 --> 01:35:51.200]  You're going to run into a thing called The Way of Kings.
[01:35:51.200 --> 01:35:55.200]  When you get The Way of Kings, if you jump over to their website, you're going to find
[01:35:55.200 --> 01:35:59.200]  out they deal with asset protection systems and control assets, things like that.
[01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:02.200]  And they're the ones who would deal mostly with that kind of thing.
[01:36:02.200 --> 01:36:06.200]  But again, God's law is foundational to man's law.
[01:36:06.200 --> 01:36:08.200]  And then man's law gets piled onto that.
[01:36:08.200 --> 01:36:13.200]  Again, if you don't start from that foundation of who we are, and on TeamLaw's website,
[01:36:13.200 --> 01:36:16.200]  you run into this thing that's called The Standard for Review.
[01:36:16.200 --> 01:36:19.200]  And when you review any relationship, you follow that standard for review,
[01:36:19.200 --> 01:36:22.200]  and it's always going to start with who you are and what your authority is.
[01:36:22.200 --> 01:36:26.200]  That authority is sovereign. It's described in Genesis.
[01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:28.200]  I think it's Genesis 1.25.
[01:36:28.200 --> 01:36:31.200]  Then you get 1.28.
[01:36:31.200 --> 01:36:36.200]  The second part of it is it says, take dominion over the land, the water,
[01:36:36.200 --> 01:36:38.200]  and the air, and the things that are in them.
[01:36:38.200 --> 01:36:40.200]  Now, I paraphrased that to make it short and quick.
[01:36:40.200 --> 01:36:43.200]  So again, we're commanded to take that dominion.
[01:36:43.200 --> 01:36:45.200]  Again, what is that?
[01:36:45.200 --> 01:36:48.200]  That's take the ownership of the land.
[01:36:48.200 --> 01:36:51.200]  Dominion and land is one and the same thing.
[01:36:51.200 --> 01:36:55.200]  Property of person's land is all the stuff within the dominion.
[01:36:55.200 --> 01:36:57.200]  Now, you may own the stuff within the dominion as well.
[01:36:57.200 --> 01:37:02.200]  And in most cases in this country, when you get a deed, it's a fee-simple deed.
[01:37:02.200 --> 01:37:05.200]  And again, fee-simple means field fee-simple.
[01:37:05.200 --> 01:37:09.200]  And again, field fee-simple means that the owner of the property
[01:37:09.200 --> 01:37:15.200]  and the property of person's land and the owner of the land are one and the same person.
[01:37:15.200 --> 01:37:18.200]  Now, with all of that again set as foundation,
[01:37:18.200 --> 01:37:24.200]  then we jump to the issue of the land patent when it's granted
[01:37:24.200 --> 01:37:27.200]  and what it says and how that works and functions.
[01:37:27.200 --> 01:37:31.200]  So again, when you get the land patent, the land patent was initially granted.
[01:37:31.200 --> 01:37:32.200]  It was granted.
[01:37:32.200 --> 01:37:36.200]  We would just stick with patents from the President of the United States of America.
[01:37:36.200 --> 01:37:39.200]  Patents are also issued from kings.
[01:37:39.200 --> 01:37:42.200]  They're also issued from governors.
[01:37:42.200 --> 01:37:44.200]  But you're going to go back through the chain of title,
[01:37:44.200 --> 01:37:49.200]  and when you run into the patent, the patent basically says anything in the chain of title
[01:37:49.200 --> 01:37:54.200]  prior to this patent is a done deal and can't be reversed or changed
[01:37:54.200 --> 01:37:55.200]  because that's what the patent is.
[01:37:55.200 --> 01:37:57.200]  It secures it.
[01:37:57.200 --> 01:37:58.200]  So what is the patent?
[01:37:58.200 --> 01:38:00.200]  It's a grant.
[01:38:00.200 --> 01:38:03.200]  Now, what is a grant?
[01:38:03.200 --> 01:38:06.200]  Isn't the grant a free gift?
[01:38:06.200 --> 01:38:08.200]  I give you a gift.
[01:38:08.200 --> 01:38:17.200]  Now, what happens to that gift if you choose not to accept it?
[01:38:17.200 --> 01:38:20.200]  It would stay with the person who was trying to grant it.
[01:38:20.200 --> 01:38:23.200]  I would think unless they abandoned it.
[01:38:23.200 --> 01:38:25.200]  The giver retains title.
[01:38:25.200 --> 01:38:28.200]  Even if they abandoned it, the giver would retain title.
[01:38:28.200 --> 01:38:29.200]  Right.
[01:38:29.200 --> 01:38:30.200]  Okay?
[01:38:30.200 --> 01:38:35.200]  In a kingdom, by the way, and you'll see this when you deal with old patent law,
[01:38:35.200 --> 01:38:42.200]  old patent cases, in a kingdom, if the king has the control of the domain,
[01:38:42.200 --> 01:38:43.200]  he grants the patent.
[01:38:43.200 --> 01:38:47.200]  Now, he's no longer the king, but what if you vacate and abandon?
[01:38:47.200 --> 01:38:52.200]  Well, he'll take it back, and that's called eminent domain.
[01:38:52.200 --> 01:38:54.200]  He'll take it back because his domain is eminent.
[01:38:54.200 --> 01:38:59.200]  You abandoned it, and therefore you didn't carry out the purpose and function of the grant,
[01:38:59.200 --> 01:39:02.200]  and therefore he takes it back and he grants it to somebody else.
[01:39:02.200 --> 01:39:06.200]  So you'll see from time to time, a king will grant the land over and over and over again.
[01:39:06.200 --> 01:39:10.200]  It's what happened in Maine when it was first settled by the people from Plymouth.
[01:39:10.200 --> 01:39:17.200]  It was initially granted to the company with the authority to pass it on to the parties.
[01:39:17.200 --> 01:39:22.200]  Then the people with the southern company came up with the Mayflower Landing,
[01:39:22.200 --> 01:39:23.200]  and they landed up there.
[01:39:23.200 --> 01:39:30.200]  Their first setting of anchor was much too rough water for offloading,
[01:39:30.200 --> 01:39:31.200]  so they went even a little bit further north.
[01:39:31.200 --> 01:39:36.200]  They were beyond the northern boundary of the southern colony's right to land,
[01:39:36.200 --> 01:39:39.200]  but when they settled, the people don't know about this colonial thing,
[01:39:39.200 --> 01:39:41.200]  and they know the king granted the land.
[01:39:41.200 --> 01:39:45.200]  The promise was made to them in their negotiations, so they got off.
[01:39:45.200 --> 01:39:49.200]  They started setting up camp, and it was kind of a good thing,
[01:39:49.200 --> 01:39:54.200]  and what became of that is multiple states, and you no longer had Virginia being everywhere.
[01:39:54.200 --> 01:40:00.200]  Virginia got reduced down to this one little state that even got separated to West Virginia and then Virginia.
[01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:04.200]  Now when we're dealing with land issues, the land patent comes to you,
[01:40:04.200 --> 01:40:10.200]  and it says that this land is granted to you, or to the person who is named,
[01:40:10.200 --> 01:40:15.200]  and to their heirs and assigned forever.
[01:40:15.200 --> 01:40:20.200]  Now the operative term there is and, and this is where it gets a little bit tricky for people,
[01:40:20.200 --> 01:40:23.200]  because when they look at the land ownership,
[01:40:23.200 --> 01:40:28.200]  when I sold you the dirt from the backyard with a swimming pool,
[01:40:28.200 --> 01:40:32.200]  it was no longer mine, correct?
[01:40:32.200 --> 01:40:35.200]  But notice that the land is intangible.
[01:40:35.200 --> 01:40:39.200]  Land is not something that is tangible, it's domain,
[01:40:39.200 --> 01:40:44.200]  and when it was granted to the person on the patent, what was the duration of the grant?
[01:40:44.200 --> 01:40:46.200]  It says forever.
[01:40:46.200 --> 01:40:52.200]  It belongs to that person who was named forever, and it not only belongs to that person,
[01:40:52.200 --> 01:40:55.200]  but it uses the word and, so it belongs to that person,
[01:40:55.200 --> 01:41:06.200]  and it belongs to every person that may ever acquire an assignment or an inheritance on that land, okay?
[01:41:06.200 --> 01:41:12.200]  So here comes somebody along, and he wants to buy up part of my range, okay?
[01:41:12.200 --> 01:41:16.200]  I got a bunch of land, and I got some space, and I wouldn't mind having the extra cash,
[01:41:16.200 --> 01:41:20.200]  and this guy wants to buy some property from me, okay?
[01:41:20.200 --> 01:41:26.200]  And we come to terms of an agreement, and I agree to sell him a portion of my property.
[01:41:26.200 --> 01:41:35.200]  So he purchases the property, and I grant him the title to the land that goes along with that property
[01:41:35.200 --> 01:41:40.200]  at the same time as I grant him, or as I sell him, the property.
[01:41:40.200 --> 01:41:42.200]  I grant him the land.
[01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:48.200]  So when you look at the deed, it says grants, bargains, sells, and conveys.
[01:41:48.200 --> 01:41:54.200]  And what does grant mean?
[01:41:54.200 --> 01:41:56.200]  Give freely.
[01:41:56.200 --> 01:41:58.200]  Give freely without contest.
[01:41:58.200 --> 01:42:00.200]  I give you something freely, okay?
[01:42:00.200 --> 01:42:07.200]  There is no obligation to you, back to me, on the gift.
[01:42:07.200 --> 01:42:08.200]  I'm giving it to you.
[01:42:08.200 --> 01:42:09.200]  It's a grant.
[01:42:09.200 --> 01:42:10.200]  It's a gift.
[01:42:10.200 --> 01:42:12.200]  There's no cost, okay?
[01:42:12.200 --> 01:42:17.200]  So when you have this negotiation and something is being sold, what's being sold?
[01:42:17.200 --> 01:42:19.200]  The property of pertinent to the land.
[01:42:19.200 --> 01:42:24.200]  So what's being granted?
[01:42:24.200 --> 01:42:26.200]  The domain.
[01:42:26.200 --> 01:42:31.200]  The intangible domain itself, otherwise known as land.
[01:42:31.200 --> 01:42:38.200]  And we go back and look at the patent that gave you your rights on that initially,
[01:42:38.200 --> 01:42:44.200]  and now you've made the assignment of that grant to this person who's come along after you.
[01:42:44.200 --> 01:42:50.200]  What does that do to your rights, to the ownership of that land?
[01:42:50.200 --> 01:42:52.200]  That was a trick question, by the way.
[01:42:52.200 --> 01:42:59.200]  I'll give you a hint.
[01:42:59.200 --> 01:43:01.200]  Well, if they don't fulfill their obligation, it returns.
[01:43:01.200 --> 01:43:02.200]  No, no, no, no.
[01:43:02.200 --> 01:43:03.200]  I didn't say that.
[01:43:03.200 --> 01:43:05.200]  It's not conditional.
[01:43:05.200 --> 01:43:07.200]  When you grant them the land, notice what the patent says.
[01:43:07.200 --> 01:43:10.200]  Again, the patent says grant you the land.
[01:43:10.200 --> 01:43:18.200]  The land is granted to you and to your heirs and assigns forever.
[01:43:18.200 --> 01:43:29.200]  So when you grant some new assignee or some inherent heir, a parent, their rights to that land,
[01:43:29.200 --> 01:43:32.200]  what happens to your rights to that land?
[01:43:32.200 --> 01:43:34.200]  You relinquish.
[01:43:34.200 --> 01:43:36.200]  No, you do not.
[01:43:36.200 --> 01:43:39.200]  The patent makes it very plain and clear.
[01:43:39.200 --> 01:43:44.200]  It's given to you and to them.
[01:43:44.200 --> 01:43:47.200]  That sounds like it could get confusing.
[01:43:47.200 --> 01:43:48.200]  It does get confusing.
[01:43:48.200 --> 01:43:51.200]  That's why people don't understand it when they're dealing with it in law.
[01:43:51.200 --> 01:43:53.200]  Okay, listen, we're going to talk about that more on the other side.
[01:43:53.200 --> 01:44:00.200]  We'll be right back.
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[01:45:07.200 --> 01:45:26.200]  When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for.
[01:45:26.200 --> 01:45:35.200]  I ain't asking for much. I ain't trying to be no glutton.
[01:45:35.200 --> 01:45:40.880]  I'm just here makin' my livin', pushin' buttons
[01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:46.680]  I give my message out to anyone in shoutin' distance
[01:45:46.680 --> 01:45:52.280]  Hope for bravery and begin slavery, showin' resistance
[01:45:52.280 --> 01:45:57.240]  First I'm crawlin', then I'm walkin', then I start struttin'
[01:45:57.240 --> 01:46:00.080]  Just so glad to make my livin'
[01:46:00.080 --> 01:46:02.080]  We're back with Eric Madsen
[01:46:02.080 --> 01:46:07.160]  Alright, sticky situation that could arise from this little word and here
[01:46:07.160 --> 01:46:09.960]  So please continue, Eric
[01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:15.600]  Well again, and we always tell people don't trust what we tell ya
[01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:17.080]  Don't trust me or anybody else
[01:46:17.080 --> 01:46:20.120]  You're talkin' about stuff like this, you're talkin' about with whomever
[01:46:20.120 --> 01:46:24.880]  It really doesn't matter who it is, doesn't matter the source, doesn't matter how good something sounds
[01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:31.560]  The biggest mistake that we make in this country today is doing what we do because somebody else said something
[01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:35.320]  We have to stop that, that's what got us in the situations we're in today
[01:46:35.320 --> 01:46:39.760]  And that's got to stop for us to get out of the situations that we're in
[01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:42.600]  You have to do your own legal research
[01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:46.800]  You go to a meeting, it sounds really good, the guy tells you all this stuff about definitions
[01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:51.440]  You learn about how the definitions work and what they mean here and how they apply it there
[01:46:51.440 --> 01:46:56.080]  You come away with an understanding, where to get the understanding from the guy standing in front of the meeting
[01:46:56.080 --> 01:46:57.920]  What do you have to go do after that?
[01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:01.200]  You have to go out there and do your own research and prove the fact
[01:47:01.200 --> 01:47:07.040]  It doesn't do you any good to listen to me or anybody else tell you how something works and then rely upon that
[01:47:07.040 --> 01:47:12.280]  All that does is put you in the same situation or worse situation than what you were in before you started
[01:47:12.280 --> 01:47:15.240]  You have to learn it from your own first hand experience
[01:47:15.240 --> 01:47:17.120]  Have somebody like me as a guide?
[01:47:17.120 --> 01:47:19.400]  That's wonderful if they can guide you on the right path
[01:47:19.400 --> 01:47:21.680]  How do you know they guided you on the right path?
[01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.040]  You do your own research and you find out the truth
[01:47:24.040 --> 01:47:25.240]  How do you know what I'm talkin' about?
[01:47:25.240 --> 01:47:27.880]  The thing about and is right
[01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:31.760]  All you have to do is go to the English language and look at what and is, what it does
[01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:36.600]  When the patent was issued, the land was granted to that person who was named
[01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:43.960]  It was also at that same time granted to every person that might ever receive an assignment on that land
[01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:47.360]  from that point in time when it was granted until forever
[01:47:47.360 --> 01:47:51.440]  That's the term of the patent, it says forever
[01:47:51.440 --> 01:47:53.680]  So it means forever
[01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:55.800]  And who are the owners of the land?
[01:47:55.800 --> 01:48:01.520]  The one who received the patent themselves with their name on it
[01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:07.920]  And all of their assigns and all of their heirs
[01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.760]  And, that's a critical word
[01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:17.560]  So, when you decide you want to sell the property or person's land to somebody
[01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:21.520]  If along with that you grant the title to the land, what did you just do?
[01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:25.360]  You just gave them their assignment, did you not?
[01:48:25.360 --> 01:48:34.240]  So, what's their name on the patent?
[01:48:34.240 --> 01:48:36.000]  You guys are really slow at answering questions, you know that?
[01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:41.040]  Well, we're thinking that, I'm thinking that you're asking rhetorical questions, so that, you know, just asking
[01:48:41.040 --> 01:48:43.320]  No, I never ask rhetorical questions
[01:48:43.320 --> 01:48:45.560]  What's their name on the patent?
[01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:48.360]  The name would be their name
[01:48:48.360 --> 01:48:50.640]  Well, I'm asking what their name would be on the patent
[01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:56.800]  When the names on the patent is the guy's name and assign
[01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:04.040]  So, if you are an assignee, is not your name on the patent assigned?
[01:49:04.040 --> 01:49:07.120]  That would you prepare your position, your name, what's your name?
[01:49:07.120 --> 01:49:13.720]  Is that not, is that not, well, yeah, but see, that's the reference to your position, is it not?
[01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:14.680]  Yes
[01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:17.480]  And in law, that's like a transitive property of equality
[01:49:17.480 --> 01:49:22.440]  Transitive property of equality is A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C, right?
[01:49:22.440 --> 01:49:23.320]  Yeah, that's a
[01:49:23.320 --> 01:49:25.360]  Mathematical probability
[01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:27.200]  And it works in law
[01:49:27.200 --> 01:49:35.360]  So, when they say and, and you are an assigned, then that's the same as putting down your name on the patent, is it not?
[01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:40.440]  I'm not certain, that's not a conclusion I would necessarily jump to
[01:49:40.440 --> 01:49:45.120]  How could, it's not a jump, it's not a jump, it's a simple little language, you have to understand the English language
[01:49:45.120 --> 01:49:55.680]  The word and means what it says, and, and it says that that land belongs to the person who is named and their heirs
[01:49:55.680 --> 01:50:02.040]  Now, if you're one of their heirs, then wouldn't that put you on the list of heirs?
[01:50:02.040 --> 01:50:03.320]  Yes, but
[01:50:03.320 --> 01:50:07.360]  Okay, and if you're one of the assigns, would that not put you on the list of assigns?
[01:50:07.360 --> 01:50:08.760]  Of assigns, but
[01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:19.360]  Okay, and so when you have, you are an heir, or you are an assigned, an assignee, then in law, that's a transitive property of equality, it says
[01:50:19.360 --> 01:50:26.200]  Assigned, so it doesn't have to list every name, no one even knows who those names are going to be at that point in time
[01:50:26.200 --> 01:50:33.560]  It just says assigned, and then that, that links to the list, and where do you get the list?
[01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:36.160]  That's the chain of title
[01:50:36.160 --> 01:50:51.840]  You go to the chain of title, and that's why they call it the color of title document, because the color of title document gives you the list of the parties to whom it went that fit in that space called assigns or heirs
[01:50:51.840 --> 01:51:03.440]  So, in land law, when a person acquires the title to the land, what does that mean? Well, the title for the land is the patent
[01:51:03.440 --> 01:51:16.200]  So you will have a chain of a document that goes from the patent to the present, they're usually deeds, it might be court records or whatever, but you're going to be a chain of documents that goes from the patent to the present
[01:51:16.200 --> 01:51:23.400]  And that chain of documents is going to say who the parties are that acquired that grant, and you look at the language and it says
[01:51:23.400 --> 01:51:26.200]  Grants, bargains, sells, and conveys
[01:51:26.200 --> 01:51:40.880]  Well, obviously something is granted, and obviously that grant passes the assignment, and therefore that assignment puts your name on the patent along with all of those others who might be assigned and or the same thing for heirs
[01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:54.280]  There is no other option for the meaning of that phrase in the English language as it's applied to those documents, and that is how it has actually been handled in law from the beginning
[01:51:54.280 --> 01:52:10.200]  The problem is, today, there's a whole bunch of people who have no understanding of this foundation we've just gone over, and they go back and they look at that land law and it says, land cannot be subjected to debt or taxes
[01:52:10.200 --> 01:52:16.160]  But wait a minute, what is land? It's intangible
[01:52:16.160 --> 01:52:28.360]  You can't buy, sell, or trade it because all of the parties that will ever acquire it are already named on the patent
[01:52:28.360 --> 01:52:33.960]  And their ownership of the land gives them the domain
[01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:48.000]  If they are also the owner of the property, and they acquired that by deed, then they own the land and the property, and the title will be called a fee-simple title, or a fee-simple absolute title, or a lodeo title
[01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:56.800]  Lodeo is kind of a term that's been lost. Patriot groups are kind of resurrecting it, but it just means the same thing as fee-simple title
[01:52:56.800 --> 01:53:02.840]  So when you have that fee-simple title, you have the land and the property appurtenant to the land
[01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:13.080]  Now, how would that patent in any way limit your ability to contract and, like we say, dig the hole for the swimming pool and sell the dirt?
[01:53:13.080 --> 01:53:20.120]  It does not. It doesn't limit that in any way, so you can sell the property appurtenant to your land
[01:53:20.120 --> 01:53:31.800]  So if you enter into a contract that says, hey, I want to borrow some money from the bank, and the bank says, well yeah, we'll loan you some money, what do you got for collateral?
[01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:42.760]  And the guy says, well, I own this property over here, and they say, fine, we'll write you up a contract so you can pay back what we loan you in the terms and conditions of the contract
[01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:56.520]  And so you agree to that, and you sign the document, and now what do you have? What does that have to do with your land ownership?
[01:53:56.520 --> 01:54:05.000]  Nothing, it seems. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. That is absolutely correct. It has nothing whatsoever to do with your land ownership
[01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:11.640]  What does that have to do with your property ownership? Everything. It's a totally different story
[01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:19.720]  It binds and secures your property from that point in time until the terms and conditions of the mortgage are met
[01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:29.880]  At which point in time, then the contract is complete, and you retain your property, and they've been paid back, and that's the way mortgages work
[01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:36.360]  Well, we have another thing that comes into play in the United States of America, and we talk about that as taxes
[01:54:36.360 --> 01:54:42.840]  And the Patriot communities and the tax protesters all go against taxes and stand up and say, well, we can't go along with all this kind of stuff
[01:54:42.840 --> 01:54:48.680]  And 99% of the time, they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about
[01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:56.120]  The tax protest community is likely the least informed people on the planet when it comes to law
[01:54:56.120 --> 01:55:01.000]  And I don't care if we're talking about the attorneys that represent them and deal with those issues
[01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:07.560]  Or if we're talking about the individual people that go out there telling everybody about our laws forbid the taxation of the people
[01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:17.000]  And the 16th Amendment and all this kind of absolutely no bearing on anything to do with anything because
[01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:23.800]  The relationship that the taxes are being charged in has nothing to do with the people
[01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:30.200]  It has to do with the taxpayer, the numbered taxpayer, and that's a contractual relationship
[01:55:30.200 --> 01:55:34.040]  So let's take a look at the property taxes as they apply to land
[01:55:34.040 --> 01:55:37.960]  Now we've basically covered everything you need to know about land and land patents and all that
[01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:40.600]  And we can cover anything else that comes up with the questions and answers
[01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:42.440]  We'll get to that in just a short time
[01:55:42.440 --> 01:55:46.040]  Now we're going to deal with the property taxes to address that issue for just a moment
[01:55:46.040 --> 01:55:47.400]  We're dealing with the property tax
[01:55:47.400 --> 01:55:52.040]  Again, we already went over the elements and you can confirm it for yourself
[01:55:52.040 --> 01:55:57.560]  Go back and read the constitutions and see if the people granted any authority to govern the people at all
[01:55:57.560 --> 01:55:58.760]  And they did not
[01:55:58.760 --> 01:56:01.880]  There is no authority granted to the government to govern the people
[01:56:01.880 --> 01:56:10.520]  The only time anybody even tried to use the constitution to do that was when they passed that stupid amendment about alcohol
[01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:14.520]  Saying that people couldn't do what they did with alcohol
[01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:21.240]  And the reason why that amendment was removed from the constitution was it was not a lawful amendment
[01:56:21.240 --> 01:56:26.280]  And the reason it wasn't lawful was it attempted to control the people
[01:56:26.280 --> 01:56:35.800]  And the constitution cannot do anything to control the people because the constitution is simply a contract that created the government
[01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:38.360]  It's a trust contract, a trust indenture
[01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:41.800]  You've got two constitutions in the government
[01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:44.680]  You've got the constitution for the United States of America
[01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:46.200]  And by the way, that is its title
[01:56:46.200 --> 01:56:47.960]  You have people that say it doesn't have a title
[01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:49.640]  Go read the preamble again
[01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:55.480]  The preamble gives you its title and it says it's the constitution for the United States of America
[01:56:55.480 --> 01:56:57.320]  That's the title of the constitution
[01:56:57.320 --> 01:57:00.520]  It's the seven articles themselves, no amendment
[01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:04.840]  Then you have the states would not go along with it as it was
[01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:07.960]  They needed something that controlled the central government
[01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:13.720]  So that it would not begin going out there and getting corrupt like they did under the Articles of Confederation
[01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:16.200]  And to protect that, they put in the amendment
[01:57:16.200 --> 01:57:19.240]  The amendments, there were 12 amendments put in the Bill of Rights
[01:57:19.240 --> 01:57:23.320]  The first two were not ratified fully so they didn't go into place
[01:57:23.320 --> 01:57:30.600]  The next 10 were called the 10 Acts of the Bill of Rights
[01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:32.520]  Bill of Rights is added to the constitution
[01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:36.680]  And again, when you go to the preamble, it gives the name of the document that's created
[01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:39.080]  When you add the Bill of Rights to the constitution
[01:57:39.080 --> 01:57:43.960]  And the name of that document is the Constitution of the United States of America
[01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:49.480]  So the Constitution for the United States of America is the trust indenture that created the government
[01:57:49.480 --> 01:57:54.120]  The Constitution of the United States of America is the contract
[01:57:54.120 --> 01:57:59.640]  To which every officer of government must take an oath to uphold
[01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:03.880]  In other words, it is the instrument that limits them from any authority
[01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:08.200]  To exercise any authority to control your rights at all
[01:58:08.200 --> 01:58:13.320]  Outside of those which you grant by your contract relations with them
[01:58:13.320 --> 01:58:15.080]  All right, wonderful
[01:58:15.080 --> 01:58:16.440]  This is great information
[01:58:16.440 --> 01:58:19.160]  And we really appreciate you coming on the show with us, Eric
[01:58:19.160 --> 01:58:22.280]  We've got two more hours, do you want to stay with us?
[01:58:22.280 --> 01:58:22.840]  Sure
[01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:24.440]  Excellent, wonderful
[01:58:24.440 --> 01:58:25.080]  We will be
[01:58:25.080 --> 01:58:26.600]  We'll get the questions and answers that we didn't
[01:58:26.600 --> 01:58:30.200]  Yes, we will be getting to the questions and answers
[01:58:30.200 --> 01:58:34.120]  Okay, right now we're going to take a top of the hour break and run the news
[01:58:34.120 --> 01:59:01.160]  We'll be back in a few minutes