ROL_2009-11-06_16k_After_Midnight.timecode
[00:00.000 --> 00:14.000] Okay, we are back. We're going into overtime mode here. And we are now speaking with, we've
[00:14.000 --> 00:23.080] got Pat from Texas still on the line. One second here. I've got to just get one thing
[00:23.080 --> 00:30.440] going real quick. We've got Pat from Texas on the line and we are going to go to Jim
[00:30.440 --> 00:37.920] in Texas. I'm sorry, Jim in Ohio. Jim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[00:37.920 --> 00:42.720] Good evening. Hey there, what is your question for Pat?
[00:42.720 --> 00:48.760] What a great discussion. I was going to try to throw three or four quick things at you
[00:48.760 --> 00:57.560] and then hang up and let you treat them. First thing, based on a gentleman from Oregon talking
[00:57.560 --> 01:04.160] about a lien, of course his was a little older, but if a lien has been, just like Eddie had
[01:04.160 --> 01:09.560] said earlier, the first thing about a lien is that for at least two reasons it's always
[01:09.560 --> 01:20.480] false and always unenforceable if we take action back in court against them. First of
[01:20.480 --> 01:28.960] all because it can only be brought against a federal official, but second of all because
[01:28.960 --> 01:34.600] the liens are always, always false because the judgment hasn't been gotten before the
[01:34.600 --> 01:41.280] lien is filed. There has to be a judgment on the state level. Am I not right?
[01:41.280 --> 01:47.440] Well, there are two means that you can have, a mechanics or material man's that doesn't
[01:47.440 --> 01:51.560] require a prior judgment. Is that right?
[01:51.560 --> 01:56.760] Yeah, but you've got to have a default before you can perfect either one of them.
[01:56.760 --> 02:05.880] Right, a material man provides materials to the property under contract and he's not paid.
[02:05.880 --> 02:12.520] That creates a lien as a matter of law. He can file the notice of the lien, but he can't
[02:12.520 --> 02:18.200] execute the lien until he goes to the court and gets a judgment to execute the lien. But
[02:18.200 --> 02:25.040] he can file a material man's or a mechanic's lien based on the contract.
[02:25.040 --> 02:32.480] My idea is that if it's possible to do, if the time will permit, that you hold them up
[02:32.480 --> 02:42.680] on execution of the lien so that you can begin your process and attempt to go back to patent
[02:42.680 --> 02:47.120] decision, then you may be able to block it before they take it. I don't know whether
[02:47.120 --> 02:50.120] you can get it back after the fact or not.
[02:50.120 --> 02:55.840] Apparently, Pat, it doesn't take long to bring the patent forward, does it?
[02:55.840 --> 03:02.280] Well, if you go and get your patent and have your other stuff, you're talking about maybe
[03:02.280 --> 03:09.960] a week, 10 days total time turnaround. It depends on, do you have your survey done already
[03:09.960 --> 03:18.640] and what the workload is over team law. But right now, their workload has been fairly
[03:18.640 --> 03:27.240] light. So, you're only looking at about 10 days, which if you've ever tried to get a
[03:27.240 --> 03:31.440] court date in 10 days, you're doing a lot of work.
[03:31.440 --> 03:34.920] Yeah, that should be plenty of time.
[03:34.920 --> 03:43.340] You should beat the other hands down. Get it in, get it filed, then show the judge when
[03:43.340 --> 03:54.200] you go in to beat their judgment. Just drop the patent on the judge and say, I'm sorry
[03:54.200 --> 03:58.520] sir, but their lien doesn't hold water here.
[03:58.520 --> 04:08.520] Yeah. Well, the next thing that came to mind back when Randy said interesting about imminent
[04:08.520 --> 04:15.800] domain is that this may be our chance to block the NAFTA highway by-
[04:15.800 --> 04:24.240] I've been saying this now for two years. Sir, I have been beating my head against the wall
[04:24.240 --> 04:32.600] to get people to listen to me about that. It's frustrating on my side because I gave
[04:32.600 --> 04:39.600] up for a while trying to tell people, get your patent, get your patent, get your patent,
[04:39.600 --> 04:45.440] tell the people trying to put this highway through to please take a very long walk off
[04:45.440 --> 04:47.600] a very short pier.
[04:47.600 --> 04:52.840] Well, it's the answer, isn't it?
[04:52.840 --> 04:54.160] It is the answer.
[04:54.160 --> 04:56.200] It is the answer.
[04:56.200 --> 05:02.560] It is the answer to the land grab going up from Mexico all the way to Canada. It's not
[05:02.560 --> 05:07.600] just one highway, they're trying to put four of them through.
[05:07.600 --> 05:13.920] Stop voting in combat, that would be a big help too.
[05:13.920 --> 05:15.320] Yeah.
[05:15.320 --> 05:21.560] Well, one final mention. There were four things, I forgot one. One final mention and then I'll
[05:21.560 --> 05:30.960] jump off the line. A mention made about how as sovereigns we become equal to kings and
[05:30.960 --> 05:38.000] queens but truly following all of our founding documents and all the way back to the common
[05:38.000 --> 05:44.680] law to scripture, we are only sovereign as princes and princesses, all of us. It's pretty
[05:44.680 --> 05:53.760] huge monarchy but the king of the universe, our Lord and Savior, Yeshua HaMashiach, the
[05:53.760 --> 05:54.760] only king.
[05:54.760 --> 05:56.760] You're the only king.
[05:56.760 --> 06:01.320] The only king and that's my final word tonight on that.
[06:01.320 --> 06:02.400] Thank you, sir.
[06:02.400 --> 06:03.400] Thank you.
[06:03.400 --> 06:04.400] All right. Thank you, Jim.
[06:04.400 --> 06:05.400] Bye-bye.
[06:05.400 --> 06:15.840] Okay, we're going now to Mark in Austin. Mark, thanks for calling. What is on your mind tonight?
[06:15.840 --> 06:18.280] What is your question or comment for our guest, Pat?
[06:18.280 --> 06:25.800] Great. Let's see. Actually, I've got a few questions for Pat concerning the land pat.
[06:25.800 --> 06:32.800] The first is, I think he touched on it about, let's see, what would the... Okay, trying
[06:32.800 --> 06:39.800] to read my own writing here. Trying to read my own writing. My little notes I made on
[06:39.800 --> 06:40.800] my little notes here.
[06:40.800 --> 06:43.880] It sounds like my writing but keep going.
[06:43.880 --> 06:50.600] There you go. There you go. What will the mortgage company attempt to do if you're trying
[06:50.600 --> 07:02.560] to implement this land patent? What recourse do they have? Obviously, it's not in their
[07:02.560 --> 07:06.120] best interest that you have this but...
[07:06.120 --> 07:09.240] As long as you keep paying your mortgage.
[07:09.240 --> 07:10.240] Okay.
[07:10.240 --> 07:13.280] They won't do anything.
[07:13.280 --> 07:16.840] And can they do anything?
[07:16.840 --> 07:23.040] They could probably try and sue you, get a judgment, but they already have a contract.
[07:23.040 --> 07:27.160] All they're going to be doing is spending money to try and collect money.
[07:27.160 --> 07:28.160] Will they...
[07:28.160 --> 07:29.160] I'm sorry.
[07:29.160 --> 07:33.760] As long as you're not in default, there's...
[07:33.760 --> 07:42.800] Right. Exactly. Will they in any way be notified that there is in fact a land patent on the
[07:42.800 --> 07:48.760] property or that there is an attempt to put a land patent for you to carry forward this
[07:48.760 --> 07:51.960] land patent? Would they be notified?
[07:51.960 --> 07:53.920] Not unless you notify them.
[07:53.920 --> 07:58.280] Okay. That's great. Excellent.
[07:58.280 --> 08:06.040] You have to understand something about land patents for the state of Texas. If you have
[08:06.040 --> 08:10.600] a piece of property and you have a mortgage on it, the likelihood that a land patent has
[08:10.600 --> 08:14.840] already been issued is about 99.99999%.
[08:14.840 --> 08:16.840] Correct.
[08:16.840 --> 08:27.440] And so they know that there's a land patent on that property. Now, if they get wind that
[08:27.440 --> 08:34.160] you're trying to bring it forward and accept the assignment on the land patent, they cannot
[08:34.160 --> 08:44.960] do anything to stop that. That is your right to accept ownership or title to land.
[08:44.960 --> 08:48.400] Understand. Okay. So basically...
[08:48.400 --> 08:50.640] Go ahead. I'm sorry.
[08:50.640 --> 09:00.040] If they try to stop you from exercising a right, then they're in violation of the law
[09:00.040 --> 09:04.200] and you have grounds to go out to them for fraud.
[09:04.200 --> 09:11.400] So once you bring forward that land patent in your name, what rights would they have
[09:11.400 --> 09:15.680] to foreclose on the property?
[09:15.680 --> 09:17.680] None.
[09:17.680 --> 09:18.680] None.
[09:18.680 --> 09:27.200] So if you go to default and they try to go into foreclosure, they cannot foreclose on
[09:27.200 --> 09:33.680] the property, but they can sue you for the money and they'll probably get a judgment
[09:33.680 --> 09:35.960] because you have a contract.
[09:35.960 --> 09:47.880] Right. Okay. And also, how long does this process take as far as bringing the land patent
[09:47.880 --> 09:51.920] forward in your name? How long does that normally take?
[09:51.920 --> 10:03.440] Well, it can take as little as a week. How fast can you do the research to get the documents
[10:03.440 --> 10:17.520] together? It took me several years to understand what I didn't need to do. And when I found
[10:17.520 --> 10:23.240] out what I really, truly needed to do, it took me 15 minutes.
[10:23.240 --> 10:29.760] Okay. And then can you also do this on rental property? Let's say that for instance, I have
[10:29.760 --> 10:37.760] some property in South Texas and I have one or two here in Austin as well.
[10:37.760 --> 10:39.560] You bought the property, right?
[10:39.560 --> 10:47.760] Well, the property in South Texas, I've got that framed clear, but...
[10:47.760 --> 10:50.720] Well, what I'm saying is you have a deed on it.
[10:50.720 --> 10:51.720] Correct.
[10:51.720 --> 10:52.720] Why?
[10:52.720 --> 10:53.720] Exactly.
[10:53.720 --> 10:59.960] That's your property. There's nothing that prohibits you from having multiple pieces
[10:59.960 --> 11:11.240] of property, either in multiple counties or multiple states or anywhere in the world.
[11:11.240 --> 11:15.440] It's property. It's something you own. Well, that's why...
[11:15.440 --> 11:20.640] All of it has the patent. You just need to bring the patent forward no matter where the
[11:20.640 --> 11:21.640] property is.
[11:21.640 --> 11:29.400] That's correct. Now, understand that not all land in the other states have been patented.
[11:29.400 --> 11:38.160] Some of it is still listed as public land. They were sold but never transferred under
[11:38.160 --> 11:45.240] patent. But you can bring that forward. You can go ahead and get a patent on it. It will
[11:45.240 --> 11:48.080] cost you a couple hundred dollars through the BLM.
[11:48.080 --> 11:54.000] I was going to say, Travis County isn't going to like me too much after that, I don't think.
[11:54.000 --> 11:57.000] Tell them to kiss.
[11:57.000 --> 11:58.000] Join the club.
[11:58.000 --> 11:59.600] I mean, they're just...
[11:59.600 --> 12:00.600] Too bad.
[12:00.600 --> 12:01.600] ...making it through suing them.
[12:01.600 --> 12:02.600] They are so...
[12:02.600 --> 12:05.600] And take the courthouse, I'll get a land patent on it.
[12:05.600 --> 12:13.880] I have been, I can't tell you how many times down to the, what do you call it, the appraisal
[12:13.880 --> 12:20.800] district. I mean, they're tough. I don't know how they are in Carroll County, but here in
[12:20.800 --> 12:26.200] Travis County, they are really, really tough here.
[12:26.200 --> 12:36.680] Well, you have to understand, they're paid to block any protests. It's just like when
[12:36.680 --> 12:43.680] I lived in San Antonio, I was down there every year protesting my taxes. And I helped several
[12:43.680 --> 12:50.240] of my neighbors, especially a young lady, she's now living with her daughter over in
[12:50.240 --> 12:57.320] Houston. She's 80-some-odd years old. They had raised her property taxes on her house
[12:57.320 --> 13:04.640] and she was already over 65. They doubled the appraisal value in one year. Violation
[13:04.640 --> 13:12.760] of state law to start with for appraisal and the procedures dealing with it and everything.
[13:12.760 --> 13:22.560] But when we finished with them, they actually dropped her appraisal $35,000 below where
[13:22.560 --> 13:31.080] it started from. And they were happy to get me out of their office. But every year after
[13:31.080 --> 13:36.560] that, I went back down there with her and then several of my other neighbors finally
[13:36.560 --> 13:45.720] saw what was going on. So we all kind of ganged up down there.
[13:45.720 --> 13:52.080] How long have you been removed or had your property removed from the tax roll? Your property
[13:52.080 --> 13:53.080] in South Texas, sir?
[13:53.080 --> 14:02.720] I'm actually out in West Texas, but just this year. I finally perfected everything and got
[14:02.720 --> 14:10.320] to the point where I can say, yeah, this is what we have to do and I got into Austin.
[14:10.320 --> 14:17.720] Austin is only, what, 380, 400 miles from here. So we'll get there very often.
[14:17.720 --> 14:20.240] Where in West Texas are you?
[14:20.240 --> 14:27.520] 16 miles from the river. If you go to Del Rio and make a right, where Highway 90 makes
[14:27.520 --> 14:33.120] a right, right there at that stop light, go 100 miles. You're going to be right in front
[14:33.120 --> 14:34.120] of my front gate.
[14:34.120 --> 14:36.920] Okay. You're only about 400 miles from us then, huh?
[14:36.920 --> 14:38.520] Yeah, about that.
[14:38.520 --> 14:40.560] Yeah, that's just a stone's throw.
[14:40.560 --> 14:43.520] All right. Here in Texas, anyway.
[14:43.520 --> 14:49.920] Yeah, you spit real hard. Well, from San Antonio, I'm at the halfway point to El Paso.
[14:49.920 --> 14:51.920] Oh, yeah. Okay.
[14:51.920 --> 14:54.920] So that'll give you a clue.
[14:54.920 --> 14:59.920] All right. Well, I hear the dogs barking and you're on the tower and I hope you're not
[14:59.920 --> 15:02.920] running from the law or something. It sounds like the bloodhounds are out.
[15:02.920 --> 15:07.920] No, that's his dogs. They're chasing a deer.
[15:07.920 --> 15:10.920] No, these are my dogs. They eat the law at bay.
[15:10.920 --> 15:17.920] If I could, Pat, I would love to get your email, I guess, off air because I don't want
[15:17.920 --> 15:21.920] to top the line. I'm sure you've got some other callers and whatnot, but I'd like to
[15:21.920 --> 15:26.920] – if that'd be okay, if I could drop you –
[15:26.920 --> 15:34.920] Yeah, yeah. Send Deborah an email and she'll email you back my email address.
[15:34.920 --> 15:36.920] That's the easiest way to get a hold of me.
[15:36.920 --> 15:40.920] Yeah, send Randy an email too because he checks the email more often.
[15:40.920 --> 15:42.920] Oh, Randy. Okay, okay.
[15:42.920 --> 15:46.920] Send me an email and I'll just forward it to Pat.
[15:46.920 --> 15:51.920] Yeah, that's the easiest way of doing it and I'll answer it back.
[15:51.920 --> 15:54.920] Well, I hadn't read the jurisdiction area yet, but I'm –
[15:54.920 --> 15:56.920] Read it. It's good.
[15:56.920 --> 15:59.920] I'm supposed to be – well, I'm in the class here in Austin, but I've been delayed,
[15:59.920 --> 16:06.920] but I've – so I'm just kind of – I guess you could say I'm kind of novice at
[16:06.920 --> 16:11.920] all this, but hopefully we'll get it down.
[16:11.920 --> 16:15.920] It'll give you a sense of freedom. Nothing else will.
[16:15.920 --> 16:16.920] That's what I'm discovering.
[16:16.920 --> 16:19.920] Yeah, and if you want to go through this process, it would be a good idea to go
[16:19.920 --> 16:25.920] through that jurisdiction area because here in Travis County, it's highly likely
[16:25.920 --> 16:30.920] we're going to have to take this into court because like Pat has said many times,
[16:30.920 --> 16:37.920] just because you go through the steps that he's presenting and team law,
[16:37.920 --> 16:42.920] just because you are able to bring your land patent forward to prove free
[16:42.920 --> 16:48.920] holdership of your property, that is not necessarily in and of itself going to
[16:48.920 --> 16:50.920] get your property removed from the tax roll.
[16:50.920 --> 16:55.920] You're still going to have to present those documents and that material to the
[16:55.920 --> 17:00.920] appraisal district to petition them to remove your property from the tax roll,
[17:00.920 --> 17:04.920] and they're most likely not going to do it here in Travis County.
[17:04.920 --> 17:09.920] It wasn't much of a fight where Pat is because he's in a rural area and their
[17:09.920 --> 17:12.920] property taxes are $30 a year anyway.
[17:12.920 --> 17:15.920] There's less than 200 people in his county altogether, so it's not that big
[17:15.920 --> 17:20.920] of a deal, but here in Travis County, in any major metropolitan area,
[17:20.920 --> 17:22.920] they're going to put up a fight.
[17:22.920 --> 17:26.920] They're going to look at you with glazed eyes like deer in the headlights.
[17:26.920 --> 17:28.920] They're either going to pretend they don't know what you're talking about or
[17:28.920 --> 17:31.920] they're actually not going to know what you're talking about, and you're most
[17:31.920 --> 17:35.920] likely going to have to seek some sort of injunction, estoppel, like what Pat
[17:35.920 --> 17:41.920] was saying earlier, to get a court order declaring your property private
[17:41.920 --> 17:46.920] property, a court order to get your property off the tax roll.
[17:46.920 --> 17:50.920] Or sue the individuals personally for fraud.
[17:50.920 --> 17:51.920] Right.
[17:51.920 --> 17:54.920] Deborah, Randy, Eddie, and Pat, do you know of anybody successfully here in
[17:54.920 --> 17:58.920] Travis County that was able to do that?
[17:58.920 --> 17:59.920] I do not.
[17:59.920 --> 18:04.920] I have just started looking into this, but I do know someone who has a
[18:04.920 --> 18:12.920] process in place that is well-established to get people's properties off the
[18:12.920 --> 18:16.920] tax roll through the court system that I just described, but I don't know the
[18:16.920 --> 18:21.920] specifics, and I've been trying to get a hold of this individual the last day
[18:21.920 --> 18:26.920] or so to try to either get him on the air or get the process thoroughly
[18:26.920 --> 18:31.920] explained to me, because we're most likely going to have to take it into the
[18:31.920 --> 18:37.920] courts to get a court order to get the properties taken off the tax roll.
[18:37.920 --> 18:43.920] Deborah, what might be, and Randy and Eddie, you guys might want to look at
[18:43.920 --> 18:48.920] this, because there's going to be a number of people, especially after this
[18:48.920 --> 18:54.920] show, in Austin and surrounding areas that are going to want to go in and do
[18:54.920 --> 19:01.920] that. You might want to think about a class action, and I say this because
[19:01.920 --> 19:07.920] it will make it a little easier instead of 100, 200, or even 1,000 individuals
[19:07.920 --> 19:09.920] going in.
[19:09.920 --> 19:16.920] If you do it as a class action, you may get some more traction there.
[19:16.920 --> 19:20.920] Yeah, the only problem is they made the ability to get a class action in Texas
[19:20.920 --> 19:24.920] so high with the monetary requirements to establish the suit.
[19:24.920 --> 19:26.920] That's almost impossible.
[19:26.920 --> 19:28.920] Yeah, that's the only problem.
[19:28.920 --> 19:30.920] And then there's the other thing.
[19:30.920 --> 19:34.920] Even if you file criminal charges against these people, even if you sue them
[19:34.920 --> 19:41.920] for fraud or all these different things, even if you successfully win a case,
[19:41.920 --> 19:47.920] either in court or out of court for fraud or whatever, that still does not
[19:47.920 --> 19:53.920] accomplish the end goal, at least one of the end goals, of getting your property
[19:53.920 --> 19:57.920] taken off the tax roll at the appraisal district.
[19:57.920 --> 20:01.920] That's what I was thinking about is a class action to get it removed, to get
[20:01.920 --> 20:08.920] the estoppel set on all the property, not so much going after the individuals
[20:08.920 --> 20:14.920] and the comptroller's office and all this, but just to get the property removed
[20:14.920 --> 20:22.920] off the tax roll, an injunctive relief with the estoppel.
[20:22.920 --> 20:26.920] They're going to have to abide by what the judge at the district court level
[20:26.920 --> 20:28.920] says, right, I mean?
[20:28.920 --> 20:31.920] Well, yeah, but that's the whole point.
[20:31.920 --> 20:35.920] You know, they can go in and appeal anything.
[20:35.920 --> 20:41.920] The point is suing the individual is that we get to go into court and play
[20:41.920 --> 20:44.920] let's make a deal.
[20:44.920 --> 20:45.920] Sure.
[20:45.920 --> 20:49.920] You take me off the tax roll, I leave your officials alone.
[20:49.920 --> 20:50.920] Well, also...
[20:50.920 --> 20:52.920] Otherwise I have no leverage.
[20:52.920 --> 20:57.920] Well, you've got another leverage point on the tax people, and I've heard this
[20:57.920 --> 21:03.920] used, I personally never did it, but I've heard of it used, and that is their
[21:03.920 --> 21:17.920] bias in their application of taxes, and what you do is you want exemptions from
[21:17.920 --> 21:23.920] that, and there's always exemptions that they grant to different groups or to
[21:23.920 --> 21:31.920] different people, and tell them you want the same exemption.
[21:31.920 --> 21:40.920] And normally it's 100%, and if they don't grant it, then you've got them for
[21:40.920 --> 21:45.920] not just bias, but prejudice.
[21:45.920 --> 21:50.920] Well, see, Pat, here in Travis County, we've got something else on the appraisal
[21:50.920 --> 21:59.920] district as well, and that has to do with due process and the protest procedure,
[21:59.920 --> 22:05.920] because in the state of Texas, there are laws governing how you can protest the
[22:05.920 --> 22:11.920] appraisal of your property by these county appraisal districts, and you can
[22:11.920 --> 22:19.920] under state statute, you can only protest the overall appraisal of the overall
[22:19.920 --> 22:22.920] property value.
[22:22.920 --> 22:29.920] There is no administrative procedure set in statute to protest the individual
[22:29.920 --> 22:37.920] breakdown of what they are appraising your building versus the land, and so
[22:37.920 --> 22:43.920] what has happened here in Travis County, especially in central Austin, is that
[22:43.920 --> 22:48.920] they did this a few years ago in my neighborhood and other surrounding
[22:48.920 --> 22:49.920] neighborhoods.
[22:49.920 --> 22:57.920] What they did was in one year, they switched, they reversed their appraisal
[22:57.920 --> 23:02.920] values of the building and the land, whereas for decades and decades, they
[23:02.920 --> 23:09.920] were appraising the land at approximately two-thirds to three-quarters of the
[23:09.920 --> 23:10.920] overall property value.
[23:10.920 --> 23:16.920] I'm sorry, they were appraising the building value of two-thirds to three-quarters
[23:16.920 --> 23:20.920] of the overall property value, and the land, they were appraising at
[23:20.920 --> 23:25.920] approximately one-third to one-quarter, and then in one year, they reversed
[23:25.920 --> 23:32.920] those figures, and I thought it was a typo, and it ended up it was not a typo.
[23:32.920 --> 23:36.920] It was an in-run to bait.
[23:36.920 --> 23:43.920] What it was is called developer bait, okay, for developers to come in and buy
[23:43.920 --> 23:49.920] up properties and smash down the houses to build bigger houses, more expensive
[23:49.920 --> 23:54.920] houses, so that they could end up doubling or tripling the overall property
[23:54.920 --> 24:02.920] value, and what has happened as a result is mortgage companies, banks will not
[24:02.920 --> 24:10.920] give a mortgage on a property where the building is worth or appraised less
[24:10.920 --> 24:12.920] than the land, okay?
[24:12.920 --> 24:17.920] So if somebody wants to sell their property in this situation, they have no
[24:17.920 --> 24:20.920] choice but to sell to a developer.
[24:20.920 --> 24:25.920] This is how they bring in their gentrification, and under state statute,
[24:25.920 --> 24:31.920] there's no way to protest the individual breakdown, and when we tried, when
[24:31.920 --> 24:36.920] other people in our neighborhoods tried, they just said, well, it's because,
[24:36.920 --> 24:42.920] you know, we just haven't been keeping up with the value of the land, so now we
[24:42.920 --> 24:47.920] have to catch up for the last few years, and there's no administrative way to
[24:47.920 --> 24:52.920] protest that under state statute, and when you go to lawyers or these other
[24:52.920 --> 24:57.920] people in town who help people protest their property, quote, unquote, property
[24:57.920 --> 25:03.920] taxes, which really you can only protest the appraisal of the appraisal
[25:03.920 --> 25:08.920] district, then these lawyers are like, well, what are you complaining about?
[25:08.920 --> 25:12.920] The appraised value of your property hasn't changed.
[25:12.920 --> 25:16.920] Your taxes are not changing, so what are you complaining about?
[25:16.920 --> 25:20.920] Well, what we're complaining about is that it's a setup for following years to
[25:20.920 --> 25:25.920] double or triple the property taxes, and so what Randy and I are determining
[25:25.920 --> 25:31.920] from that is that this is fraud and that it basically is a violation of due
[25:31.920 --> 25:38.920] process, and so what we're thinking here is how about this, guys, how about you
[25:38.920 --> 25:43.920] just take our property off the tax roll and we'll drop our class action fraud
[25:43.920 --> 25:45.920] suit against you?
[25:45.920 --> 25:51.920] You know, you can do it that way, or remember that under state statute it is
[25:51.920 --> 25:58.920] the buyer and seller that actually sets the value, not the appraisal, not the
[25:58.920 --> 26:00.920] appraiser.
[26:00.920 --> 26:07.920] So what you do is you sell your property to somebody else for X number of
[26:07.920 --> 26:15.920] dollars, and let's say they default on the loan and you have to resume it
[26:15.920 --> 26:20.920] three months, four months, five months down the road, but it was sold, and it
[26:20.920 --> 26:26.920] was sold for X number of dollars, and it is, there's no resemblance to the
[26:26.920 --> 26:30.920] appraised value that they have you at.
[26:30.920 --> 26:39.920] State statutes say that they have to accept the sale price for that year and
[26:39.920 --> 26:41.920] the following year.
[26:41.920 --> 26:49.920] In other words, the full 12 months because it's going to be over, in a 24-month
[26:49.920 --> 26:54.920] period you'll actually be somewhere in there for 12 months.
[26:54.920 --> 27:02.920] They have to accept that contracted price as the property value, including the
[27:02.920 --> 27:05.920] real estate, which is the building.
[27:05.920 --> 27:10.920] Pat, what you're describing happened to me as a matter of fact.
[27:10.920 --> 27:15.920] I brought in the settlement statement that you're talking about, you bring it
[27:15.920 --> 27:24.920] to the event, and they told me, they said, well, was this an arms length
[27:24.920 --> 27:25.920] transaction?
[27:25.920 --> 27:29.920] Did you have, was it listed with a realtor?
[27:29.920 --> 27:31.920] No, it wasn't listed with a realtor.
[27:31.920 --> 27:33.920] Did you know this person?
[27:33.920 --> 27:36.920] Yeah, and they said, well, no, we can't accept this.
[27:36.920 --> 27:39.920] We can't accept this sale.
[27:39.920 --> 27:41.920] They don't have the choice.
[27:41.920 --> 27:43.920] State law is on your side.
[27:43.920 --> 27:49.920] They have, because I've already done this.
[27:49.920 --> 27:51.920] I know this for a fact.
[27:51.920 --> 27:53.920] That's why I'm saying this.
[27:53.920 --> 27:57.920] You do not have to list anything with a realtor to sell it.
[27:57.920 --> 27:59.920] It is property.
[27:59.920 --> 28:01.920] It's personal property.
[28:01.920 --> 28:07.920] And the person who bought the property from me bought it at X number of dollars,
[28:07.920 --> 28:11.920] which was considerably less than what the appraised value was.
[28:11.920 --> 28:16.920] And they told him the same thing, that they were not going to accept the
[28:16.920 --> 28:19.920] contracted sale price.
[28:19.920 --> 28:26.920] And he looked at them real funny and said, okay, I hope you guys have a real
[28:26.920 --> 28:28.920] good attorney because we're going to court.
[28:28.920 --> 28:31.920] And he's won.
[28:31.920 --> 28:35.920] And he's in Comel County.
[28:35.920 --> 28:38.920] Okay, the staff is here.
[28:38.920 --> 28:43.920] Okay, Mark, do you have anything else for Pat?
[28:43.920 --> 28:44.920] No, that's fine.
[28:44.920 --> 28:47.920] Thank you all very much.
[28:47.920 --> 28:52.920] And I'm definitely going to take Deborah's advice as far as keep your taxes
[28:52.920 --> 28:56.920] current in the meantime while you're litigating this, because like I said,
[28:56.920 --> 29:02.920] we don't want to do anything that's questionable.
[29:02.920 --> 29:10.920] We just want the law to be applied and for it to be applied fairly.
[29:10.920 --> 29:16.920] But I agree with you, Deborah, that's my plan of attack.
[29:16.920 --> 29:21.920] I'm not going to not pay, but what I am going to do is start the process,
[29:21.920 --> 29:27.920] and then if I owe anything before this actually works itself out,
[29:27.920 --> 29:28.920] well, then I'll pay it.
[29:28.920 --> 29:32.920] But we'll have to see where the chips will fall on this one.
[29:32.920 --> 29:35.920] Yeah, and you can always go and sue them after the fact.
[29:35.920 --> 29:38.920] Like what I'm talking about where there's no remedy,
[29:38.920 --> 29:43.920] there's no administrative remedy for protesting the breakdown between the
[29:43.920 --> 29:45.920] building and the land.
[29:45.920 --> 29:49.920] And like in the situation that we're in and in the other neighborhoods
[29:49.920 --> 29:55.920] surrounding ours, it's almost to the point that it's too late now to get
[29:55.920 --> 30:00.920] another appraisal because there's been so much gentrification now,
[30:00.920 --> 30:06.920] and there's been so many houses that have been smashed down and new
[30:06.920 --> 30:11.920] building structures created that now they have been able to raise the
[30:11.920 --> 30:14.920] overall property value of everything around them.
[30:14.920 --> 30:16.920] They're already accomplishing their goals,
[30:16.920 --> 30:21.920] so now we have to backpedal and sue them for some kind of fraud or
[30:21.920 --> 30:25.920] racketeering, which I intend to do because it's total BS what they've
[30:25.920 --> 30:29.920] done here in Travis County, and they specifically targeted our
[30:29.920 --> 30:34.920] neighborhood and other surrounding neighborhoods with this method of doing
[30:34.920 --> 30:38.920] this reversal of the building and land value where there's no way to
[30:38.920 --> 30:41.920] protest it and then no one wants to help you do it because they didn't
[30:41.920 --> 30:44.920] raise the overall property value in that year,
[30:44.920 --> 30:49.920] and then after that year passes, then it's too late to go back and protest
[30:49.920 --> 30:52.920] through their administrative procedure,
[30:52.920 --> 30:56.920] and I'm very upset about it, and everyone in the neighborhood is upset
[30:56.920 --> 30:57.920] about it.
[30:57.920 --> 31:02.920] See, they want to drive out all the homeowners, excuse my terminology of
[31:02.920 --> 31:06.920] owner, but they want to drive out everyone in this neighborhood and the
[31:06.920 --> 31:08.920] surrounding neighborhoods, elderly people,
[31:08.920 --> 31:13.920] elderly couples whose children have grown and moved on who don't have
[31:13.920 --> 31:17.920] mortgages anymore because they paid them off and the banksters aren't
[31:17.920 --> 31:19.920] making any money off of mortgages,
[31:19.920 --> 31:25.920] so they want to drive us out by fraudulently inflating the property
[31:25.920 --> 31:29.920] value so that we can't afford the taxes anymore so that they can get in
[31:29.920 --> 31:35.920] young couples with bigger houses who can afford the taxes,
[31:35.920 --> 31:41.920] and not only that, they are trying to get rid of the elementary school in
[31:41.920 --> 31:46.920] our neighborhood because the government has to pay for the school,
[31:46.920 --> 31:47.920] and they don't like that.
[31:47.920 --> 31:51.920] They want to get rid of the elementary school and have to bus all the kids
[31:51.920 --> 31:56.920] somewhere else so that they can sell the land to some developers to set up
[31:56.920 --> 32:01.920] apartments or condos so they can collect taxes instead of having to pay,
[32:01.920 --> 32:02.920] and you know what?
[32:02.920 --> 32:06.920] I don't like it, and I ain't going to put up with it.
[32:06.920 --> 32:09.920] Well, you can always argue on equal protection of the laws.
[32:09.920 --> 32:14.920] Texas has a statute that allows anyone 65 years or older not to pay property
[32:14.920 --> 32:20.920] taxes at all, which is age discriminatory against the rest of the population.
[32:20.920 --> 32:21.920] Now, don't get me wrong.
[32:21.920 --> 32:26.920] I don't think that the age 65ers should be having to pay property taxes,
[32:26.920 --> 32:29.920] but then again, I don't think any of us should be paying property taxes.
[32:29.920 --> 32:30.920] None of us should.
[32:30.920 --> 32:31.920] What's ours?
[32:31.920 --> 32:36.920] And the reason I'm bringing all this up is because gentrification is not a
[32:36.920 --> 32:37.920] racial issue.
[32:37.920 --> 32:40.920] It's a class issue, all right?
[32:40.920 --> 32:44.920] They're putting our neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhoods on the
[32:44.920 --> 32:49.920] chopping blocks like a steak to divvy up, and they want young couples and
[32:49.920 --> 32:54.920] single individuals with roommates moving in that have no kids, that don't
[32:54.920 --> 32:57.920] need an elementary school so they can get rid of the school.
[32:57.920 --> 33:02.920] I'm very, very upset about it, and now it's getting to the point where it's
[33:02.920 --> 33:08.920] too late to protest through their administrative remedy because now they've
[33:08.920 --> 33:11.920] knocked down half the neighborhood already, okay?
[33:11.920 --> 33:15.920] So we have to go at this from a different angle.
[33:15.920 --> 33:17.920] I'm not going to put up with it, man.
[33:17.920 --> 33:20.920] I mean, I am just not going to put up with it, all right?
[33:20.920 --> 33:22.920] This is my life.
[33:22.920 --> 33:23.920] This is me and my husband's life.
[33:23.920 --> 33:30.920] We were married here in our backyard, and I ain't leaving.
[33:30.920 --> 33:31.920] Go for it.
[33:31.920 --> 33:33.920] Okay, Mark, do you have anything else?
[33:33.920 --> 33:36.920] No, that's fine.
[33:36.920 --> 33:38.920] Good for you, definitely.
[33:38.920 --> 33:40.920] But thank you all very much for your time.
[33:40.920 --> 33:41.920] Pat, I appreciate that.
[33:41.920 --> 33:46.920] Deborah, I guess I'll e-mail you to see if I can get Randy.
[33:46.920 --> 33:52.920] Give me that e-mail, and I will answer it as fast as I get it, sir.
[33:52.920 --> 33:53.920] Oh, I appreciate that.
[33:53.920 --> 33:54.920] Thank you all very much.
[33:54.920 --> 33:55.920] Okay, all right.
[33:55.920 --> 33:56.920] Take care.
[33:56.920 --> 33:57.920] Bye-bye.
[33:57.920 --> 33:58.920] Have a good night.
[33:58.920 --> 33:59.920] All right, we've got one more caller.
[33:59.920 --> 34:02.920] We're going to Carl in Texas.
[34:02.920 --> 34:03.920] Hey, everyone.
[34:03.920 --> 34:05.920] Hey, Carl, what's on your mind?
[34:05.920 --> 34:10.920] Pat, I'm getting ready to buy a piece of property in Oklahoma.
[34:10.920 --> 34:11.920] Okay.
[34:11.920 --> 34:14.920] And the question is coming up right now, do I want to have a survey?
[34:14.920 --> 34:17.920] I think they have meets and bounds already.
[34:17.920 --> 34:18.920] Yeah.
[34:18.920 --> 34:22.920] But do I have to have a platted survey to do this?
[34:22.920 --> 34:25.920] All right, there's already a plat.
[34:25.920 --> 34:34.920] If you go to the county, they have a plat already laid out that's in sections and blocks and meets and bounds.
[34:34.920 --> 34:43.920] Now, when you buy the property, make sure you get a survey of that piece of property though.
[34:43.920 --> 34:44.920] Always do that.
[34:44.920 --> 34:50.920] Make sure that all the stakes are in the right place and everything else in case you have easements,
[34:50.920 --> 34:56.920] in case you have other problems, flood zones, whatever.
[34:56.920 --> 35:05.920] And the survey pays for itself in the long run, no matter what you do with your property.
[35:05.920 --> 35:12.920] And it will help you deciding where you're going to put your house or building or whatever else.
[35:12.920 --> 35:22.920] And in some states, they actually run the survey for the property out to the middle of the road.
[35:22.920 --> 35:31.920] And then they take an easement back for half the road back off each piece of property on each side
[35:31.920 --> 35:37.920] rather than doing a separate survey and transfer of ownership and a bunch of other stuff.
[35:37.920 --> 35:42.920] That's how it is in three states that I know of.
[35:42.920 --> 35:51.920] So I don't know how it is in Oklahoma, but they may have the street laid out separately.
[35:51.920 --> 35:53.920] They may have an easement there.
[35:53.920 --> 35:56.920] They may have a drainage easement.
[35:56.920 --> 36:00.920] You may have a pipeline or a power easement.
[36:00.920 --> 36:07.920] And if you don't have a survey that shows that and who owns that easement,
[36:07.920 --> 36:18.920] and then get a copy of that contract of that easement, because that could be dollars in your pocket.
[36:18.920 --> 36:19.920] Sure, good.
[36:19.920 --> 36:23.920] And like you say, I know that you're more familiar with Texas here,
[36:23.920 --> 36:29.920] but if that is a piece of BLM property, because this is a very rural property I'm buying.
[36:29.920 --> 36:35.920] Yeah, BLM still has it in all the states, anywhere outside of Texas.
[36:35.920 --> 36:36.920] Okay.
[36:36.920 --> 36:43.920] And the process just goes through Team USA, and the process will be pretty much the same.
[36:43.920 --> 36:44.920] Yeah.
[36:44.920 --> 36:45.920] Teamlaw.org.
[36:45.920 --> 36:48.920] Oh, Teamlaw.org.
[36:48.920 --> 36:50.920] Please use Teamlaw.
[36:50.920 --> 36:55.920] Mr. Madsen out there is a very good individual.
[36:55.920 --> 37:01.920] I've never met him eyeball to eyeball, but talked to him a number of times on the phone.
[37:01.920 --> 37:03.920] They know what they're doing.
[37:03.920 --> 37:05.920] They'll steer you straight.
[37:05.920 --> 37:09.920] And if there's any questions about any of the paperwork, they'll let you know.
[37:09.920 --> 37:11.920] Very good.
[37:11.920 --> 37:18.920] Well, I'll be sure to listen to this archive again. It has a lot of stuff in it.
[37:18.920 --> 37:19.920] Thank you, Tom.
[37:19.920 --> 37:20.920] Anything else?
[37:20.920 --> 37:23.920] That's it. I appreciate it, guys.
[37:23.920 --> 37:24.920] All right.
[37:24.920 --> 37:25.920] You have a good night.
[37:25.920 --> 37:26.920] Thank you, Tom.
[37:26.920 --> 37:27.920] Thanks.
[37:27.920 --> 37:28.920] All right.
[37:28.920 --> 37:37.920] And I will be doing everything I can to chase down specific procedure on how to get court
[37:37.920 --> 37:44.920] order from the district court declaring your property, private property, and ordering the
[37:44.920 --> 37:51.920] appraisal district to take properties off the tax roll because that may be what it's
[37:51.920 --> 38:00.920] going to come down to even if we go through this process that Pat is discussing and people
[38:00.920 --> 38:06.920] who go through the process that Teamlaw, the service that Teamlaw provides.
[38:06.920 --> 38:09.920] Yeah.
[38:09.920 --> 38:10.920] Okay.
[38:10.920 --> 38:11.920] Any other comments?
[38:11.920 --> 38:14.920] Randy, Eddie, Pat?
[38:14.920 --> 38:15.920] Nope.
[38:15.920 --> 38:16.920] I'm good.
[38:16.920 --> 38:18.920] No?
[38:18.920 --> 38:25.920] I'd asked Randy earlier and Eddie if they knew of anybody that had knowledge of somebody
[38:25.920 --> 38:33.920] with a Henry lever action rifle caliber.357 if they wanted to trade for something else.
[38:33.920 --> 38:41.920] I've got a little sidearm here I'd love to trade for, but if they do, just send you an
[38:41.920 --> 38:44.920] email and forward it to me.
[38:44.920 --> 38:49.920] I'm trying to give somebody a Christmas present.
[38:49.920 --> 38:54.920] He's just hoping she don't use it on him.
[38:54.920 --> 38:55.920] Oh, come on.
[38:55.920 --> 38:57.920] I sleep next to her.
[38:57.920 --> 39:00.920] I trust her.
[39:00.920 --> 39:05.920] There's only so many people on this planet I trust that much.
[39:05.920 --> 39:08.920] I'll help you out there.
[39:08.920 --> 39:13.920] A Henry repeating rifle, that's 10 years worth of Christmas presents right there.
[39:13.920 --> 39:16.920] There you go.
[39:16.920 --> 39:20.920] If anybody's got one that they're willing to trade, let us know.
[39:20.920 --> 39:23.920] We'll certainly get the email to Pat.
[39:23.920 --> 39:31.920] Absolutely, and I've been continually getting Skype chats from people who are inquiring
[39:31.920 --> 39:38.920] if we could pay you to come up and teach a class on this.
[39:38.920 --> 39:44.920] I could come up to Austin and teach a class on it, but like I said last night, it won't
[39:44.920 --> 39:46.920] happen before Thanksgiving.
[39:46.920 --> 39:49.920] Won't happen before Thanksgiving, and people are going to have to do a certain amount of
[39:49.920 --> 39:52.920] homework before you would come up.
[39:52.920 --> 40:00.920] We would have to make sure that they add their deeds, because that's going to be something
[40:00.920 --> 40:06.920] that we're going to talk through is what they have to look at, the legal description on
[40:06.920 --> 40:08.920] each one of their deeds.
[40:08.920 --> 40:14.920] It means a great deal.
[40:14.920 --> 40:20.920] We'd have to have a computer connection so we could get into the archives, and we'll
[40:20.920 --> 40:22.920] call up the different patents.
[40:22.920 --> 40:25.920] It's real simple at that point.
[40:25.920 --> 40:31.920] Okay, so folks, if y'all want Pat to come up and teach a class, please send us an email,
[40:31.920 --> 40:34.920] and there's a certain amount of homework we'd have to do before he comes up.
[40:34.920 --> 40:38.920] People would have to get their deed, a certified copy of their deeds.
[40:38.920 --> 40:43.920] Now, is this warranty deed or deed of trust, or exactly what would this be?
[40:43.920 --> 40:46.920] Whatever deed they have.
[40:46.920 --> 40:48.920] You'd be surprised.
[40:48.920 --> 40:50.920] Some people have special deeds.
[40:50.920 --> 40:52.920] Some people have warranty deeds.
[40:52.920 --> 40:56.920] Some people have deeds of trust.
[40:56.920 --> 41:01.920] In our case, it was strictly a deed.
[41:01.920 --> 41:04.920] So there's all kinds of deeds.
[41:04.920 --> 41:08.920] They're all the same, basically.
[41:08.920 --> 41:13.920] It's not a whole lot of difference in the way they're worded, just how they're titled.
[41:13.920 --> 41:19.920] Okay, so they'd need certified copy of their deeds, and also they would need to get
[41:19.920 --> 41:26.920] certified copy of the survey of their lands, of their property.
[41:26.920 --> 41:32.920] And then they could find that normally in their last mortgage paperwork, their last
[41:32.920 --> 41:41.920] mortgage packet, if it was done at the same time that they financed the property.
[41:41.920 --> 41:47.920] And then also to get certified copies of the land patent associated with their property.
[41:47.920 --> 41:54.920] Well, yeah, I'll show them how to do that and get that in that class so that they can
[41:54.920 --> 41:57.920] properly go about getting everything together.
[41:57.920 --> 41:58.920] Okay, wonderful.
[41:58.920 --> 42:04.920] So folks out there, and we'll promote this on the air on Monday for those who are not
[42:04.920 --> 42:07.920] listening right now who don't happen to hear this archive.
[42:07.920 --> 42:08.920] Send us an email.
[42:08.920 --> 42:09.920] Send Randy and I an email.
[42:09.920 --> 42:14.920] If you're interested in this class, and we'll put together a class for you to come
[42:14.920 --> 42:15.920] and teach at Brave New Books.
[42:15.920 --> 42:19.920] They have internet, high-speed internet connections, so that we can get this going on,
[42:19.920 --> 42:25.920] because we need to take back control of what rightfully belongs to us.
[42:25.920 --> 42:29.920] Well, everyone, we've been fun.
[42:29.920 --> 42:30.920] Thank you.
[42:30.920 --> 42:31.920] Randy.
[42:31.920 --> 42:32.920] Thanks, Pat.
[42:32.920 --> 42:33.920] Thanks for hanging out with us.
[42:33.920 --> 42:34.920] Thank you, Pat.
[42:34.920 --> 42:35.920] Yeah.
[42:35.920 --> 42:36.920] And thank you, Eddie.
[42:36.920 --> 42:37.920] Eddie.
[42:37.920 --> 42:38.920] Yep.
[42:38.920 --> 42:39.920] Have a good night.
[42:39.920 --> 42:40.920] Okay.
[42:40.920 --> 42:43.920] And I'll listen to the other shows as they come up.
[42:43.920 --> 42:44.920] Okay.
[42:44.920 --> 42:45.920] We'll be back Monday night.
[42:45.920 --> 42:46.920] Thank you, folks.
[42:46.920 --> 42:47.920] Bye-bye.
[42:47.920 --> 43:09.920] Bye-bye.
[43:18.920 --> 43:25.920] And each month makes his life a story.
[43:25.920 --> 43:31.920] Coming back all those seven songs.
[43:31.920 --> 43:39.920] I say, oh, people like you and me will be deserts for eternity.
[43:39.920 --> 43:42.920] Each is given a path of truth.
[43:42.920 --> 43:48.920] The shape is mad and of a code.
[44:12.920 --> 44:39.920] Look when the rain is falling from the sky.
[44:39.920 --> 45:06.920] I say, oh, people like you and me will be deserts for eternity.
[45:06.920 --> 45:13.920] Each is given a path of truth.
[45:13.920 --> 45:18.920] The shape is mad and of a code.