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[00:00.000 --> 00:04.720]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.720 --> 00:11.600]  The five UN staff killed by Taliban suicide bombers disguised as police in Kabul Wednesday
[00:11.600 --> 00:16.320]  was the deadliest assault on the UN in its 50 years in the country.
[00:16.320 --> 00:22.520]  Qasih Hussain Ahmed, former chief of Pakistan's oldest religious party, says NATO and American
[00:22.520 --> 00:28.080]  forces are destined for crushing and shameful defeat in Afghanistan and they should immediately
[00:28.080 --> 00:32.800]  withdraw their troops to save themselves from this quagmire.
[00:32.800 --> 00:37.640]  Abduction for ransom is making a comeback in Baghdad, according to recent letters sent
[00:37.640 --> 00:39.400]  to Iraqi newspapers.
[00:39.400 --> 00:43.700]  Inhabitants of numerous Baghdad quarters say they no longer feel secure.
[00:43.700 --> 00:48.760]  One letter said, our areas enjoyed improved security conditions in the past months, but
[00:48.760 --> 00:52.720]  violence is returning.
[00:52.720 --> 00:57.880]  At least three doctors will be risking arrest in civil disobedience actions being held this
[00:57.880 --> 01:02.960]  week to demand an end to insurance abuse and real health care reform.
[01:02.960 --> 01:08.320]  Dr. Ken Weinberg, who will be risking arrest at the Wellpoint offices in New York, says
[01:08.320 --> 01:12.440]  this is a moral issue and he needs to be out there because he doesn't know what else to
[01:12.440 --> 01:13.440]  do.
[01:13.440 --> 01:18.920]  Weinberg says, I've met with my senators and congressmen and nothing works, adding, I think
[01:18.920 --> 01:24.440]  what really pushed me over was the new study from Harvard showing that 45,000 people die
[01:24.440 --> 01:29.480]  each year because they don't have health insurance and that to me is criminal.
[01:29.480 --> 01:34.440]  Weinberg went on, our elected representatives are so in the pockets of the insurance companies
[01:34.440 --> 01:35.720]  they're not doing anything.
[01:35.720 --> 01:48.280]  They're not responsive to the American people, so this is a wake-up call to them.
[01:48.280 --> 01:53.560]  Critics say Barack Obama and top health officials are engaging in a major public relations effort
[01:53.560 --> 01:58.720]  to divert attention away from whether swine flu vaccine is effective and safe to whether
[01:58.720 --> 02:03.760]  there is enough to go around and mainstream media is cooperating.
[02:03.760 --> 02:09.280]  This echoes the way media debate was manipulated during the Vietnam and Iraq wars.
[02:09.280 --> 02:13.280]  Instead of debating whether we should be fighting those wars, the media debated only whether
[02:13.280 --> 02:16.240]  we were using the correct military strategy.
[02:16.240 --> 02:22.440]  The Centers for Disease Control has been running scare ads that portray swine flu as a pandemic,
[02:22.440 --> 02:28.000]  which unless stopped by universal vaccination could kill millions of Americans, but Dr.
[02:28.000 --> 02:36.240]  Anthony Morris, former chief vaccine officer at the Food and Drug Administration states,
[02:36.240 --> 02:42.120]  there is no evidence that any influenza vaccine is effective in preventing or mitigating influenza
[02:42.120 --> 02:46.800]  and that the producers of these vaccines know they are worthless but go on selling them
[02:46.800 --> 03:14.720]  anyway.
[03:14.720 --> 03:34.720]  Backbox, what you want, what you want, what you gonna do When Sheriff John Brown come for you?
[03:34.720 --> 03:44.720]  Tell me, what you wanna do, what you gonna do Yeah
[03:44.720 --> 03:50.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do When they come for you
[03:50.720 --> 03:55.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do When they come for you
[03:55.720 --> 04:01.720]  When you were eight and you had bad traits You go to school and learn the golden rule
[04:01.720 --> 04:06.720]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool If you get up then you must get cool
[04:06.720 --> 04:18.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do When they come for you
[04:18.720 --> 04:27.720]  You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one, you chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[04:27.720 --> 04:36.360]  The Chuckies. Bad boys, bad boys. What are you going to do when we come for you? Randy
[04:36.360 --> 04:44.680]  Kelton and Deb Stevens and Eddie Craig. We've got Eddie Craig with us tonight. He has changed
[04:44.680 --> 04:51.500]  his plan so that he could join us tonight because we have a very interesting story to
[04:51.500 --> 04:59.280]  tell you guys concerning what happened when we went out to eat the other night. Eddie
[04:59.280 --> 05:06.200]  and I and another friend of ours, we were at a restaurant and there were some police
[05:06.200 --> 05:12.380]  officers walked in and Eddie decided to go approach them and talk to them and try to
[05:12.380 --> 05:20.000]  give them his book that he wrote that he presented at the seminar on the Texas Transportation
[05:20.000 --> 05:25.680]  Code. So Eddie, thanks for joining us tonight. Why don't you let our listeners know, tell
[05:25.680 --> 05:29.920]  us what happened. I watched the whole thing go down, but I couldn't hear what they were
[05:29.920 --> 05:35.200]  saying to each other, but it was pretty funny. Go ahead. Yeah. One of them appeared to be
[05:35.200 --> 05:40.320]  a county officer and the other one was Austin PD. Actually, wait a minute, let me interject.
[05:40.320 --> 05:45.960]  One of them we think was officer Ben, the guy that called in and was saying all that
[05:45.960 --> 05:51.160]  stuff about he would make up something on the way to the jail. If you made him mad,
[05:51.160 --> 05:55.920]  he would just arrest you and make something up on the way to jail. And this guy, his name
[05:55.920 --> 06:01.920]  tag said Ben. So go ahead. We think it was the officer Ben. Go ahead. Yeah, but he was
[06:01.920 --> 06:06.560]  the first one that I approached and I introduced myself and I asked him if he'd be interested
[06:06.560 --> 06:12.280]  in learning some information that was job related to them. And he kind of looked at
[06:12.280 --> 06:16.440]  me for a second and he was like, man, I'm just in here to get a quick 30 minute lunch
[06:16.440 --> 06:19.520]  and I'm going, and I appreciate that. And I see that you're waiting on your food, so
[06:19.520 --> 06:24.180]  I'm not going to interrupt you as far as you're eating or anything. I would just, I'd really
[06:24.180 --> 06:29.360]  like for you guys to have some information that's probably not being provided to you.
[06:29.360 --> 06:34.240]  And he sort of looked at the book for a second and he was like, I really don't think that
[06:34.240 --> 06:40.080]  I ought to confuse myself by, uh, over what I'm supposed to know versus something I ought
[06:40.080 --> 06:45.880]  to know. Now that was a very revealing statement. Can you believe this? That he said that? I
[06:45.880 --> 06:53.120]  don't want to confuse myself between what I'm supposed to know versus what I ought to
[06:53.120 --> 06:58.820]  know. Yeah. I was kind of taken aback by that. They just admit it. I tried not to lose my
[06:58.820 --> 07:02.800]  composure by cracking up laughing at him. Now, Eddie, you told them that you were a
[07:02.800 --> 07:07.380]  former sheriff's deputy, right? Uh, yeah. I told him I used to serve and then was, uh,
[07:07.380 --> 07:11.200]  I didn't tell them where I was out of, but, uh, I did try to, you know, kind of break
[07:11.200 --> 07:15.160]  the ice with them and let them know that they weren't talking to some Advent hostile that
[07:15.160 --> 07:19.800]  was just in their present to make jokes over them. Uh, but, uh, since this gentleman was
[07:19.800 --> 07:25.960]  obviously unwilling to accept any further edification upon his part, uh, he said, maybe,
[07:25.960 --> 07:29.000]  you know, I asked, would I, do you think your friend would take it? And he's going, well,
[07:29.000 --> 07:32.960]  I don't know. You can ask him. So I walked around to the Austin PD guy and, you know,
[07:32.960 --> 07:37.600]  repeated the process. And basically he just looked at me and he goes, are, are you some
[07:37.600 --> 07:41.960]  sort of protester or you like anti-government? So I pointed right to the cover of the front
[07:41.960 --> 07:46.000]  of the book. I said, no, I'm not anti-government. See where it says right here, uh, officer.
[07:46.000 --> 07:51.600]  I'm not anti-government. I'm anti-idiot. And, uh, he goes, he looks at top, he goes, uh,
[07:51.600 --> 07:56.720]  the law versus the live, explain that to me. What in, in a couple of sentences, tell me
[07:56.720 --> 08:03.320]  what the lie is. And I, uh, quickly went directly into detail over, uh, the administrative code
[08:03.320 --> 08:08.440]  rule 4.1 three. And, uh, before I got halfway through, he's going, you realize, of course
[08:08.440 --> 08:11.880]  that our authority to enforce this comes from the state. And I said, you're absolutely right
[08:11.880 --> 08:15.800]  from the state department of public safety who controls all of your ability to enforce
[08:15.800 --> 08:21.200]  the traffic laws. And he goes, well, well, well, tell me what's the problem. So I informed
[08:21.200 --> 08:26.280]  him about rule 4.1 three under the Texas administrative code, explain the limitations on jurisdiction
[08:26.280 --> 08:30.800]  location and so on and so forth. And he just sort of looked at me and says, well, I'm not
[08:30.800 --> 08:34.360]  going to read the book. I'll go read it for myself, but I'm not going to take it as propaganda
[08:34.360 --> 08:38.760]  information about what it is. I'll go try to look it up for myself. All right. If you're
[08:38.760 --> 08:45.560]  gambling people, please place your bets as to how well that's going to happen.
[08:45.560 --> 08:52.760]  Let's place a bet on, is he even going to remember the, the number of the chapter of
[08:52.760 --> 08:57.600]  the code that you told him? Yes. You'd think that with their powers of observation, this
[08:57.600 --> 09:02.440]  would have clicked and stuck, but you know, there's a thing about these powers of observation.
[09:02.440 --> 09:07.440]  They only work when there's something they want to achieve, uh, rather than something
[09:07.440 --> 09:11.280]  you're trying to educate them with. Well, you know, honestly, I'm kind of surprised
[09:11.280 --> 09:17.160]  that they didn't take it just for the, if for no other purpose than to use as evidence
[09:17.160 --> 09:22.880]  against you if they thought that, uh, they could accuse you of being a terrorist or something.
[09:22.880 --> 09:27.800]  Well, exactly. But there's also another thing here there. I guarantee you they want plausible
[09:27.800 --> 09:34.800]  deniability. I didn't know that. I'm sorry. The Nazis use the exact same excuse for what
[09:34.800 --> 09:40.960]  they did. Well, it didn't work for them. That's exactly what the first guy told you.
[09:40.960 --> 09:46.680]  Yep. I don't want to know that stuff because then I'll have to answer to it. That's exactly
[09:46.680 --> 09:52.960]  what he said. Now that was that officer Ben that said that. Oh man. It had to be him.
[09:52.960 --> 09:57.280]  It just had to be him. You said you, you re you thought you recognized his voice. It sounded,
[09:57.280 --> 10:03.760]  it didn't click at first, uh, when he introduced himself. Uh, but as I was talking to the other
[10:03.760 --> 10:07.800]  officer, it clicked on the voice pattern and the depth and everything. And it was like,
[10:07.800 --> 10:12.460]  you know what? I'm willing to bet this is the same guy. Oh boy. And you couldn't record
[10:12.460 --> 10:16.080]  it because you didn't have a pocket, a front pocket on that shirt. Unfortunately, I didn't
[10:16.080 --> 10:21.480]  have one on my shirt. And so I had it in my pants and where we were was extremely noisy.
[10:21.480 --> 10:25.280]  So unless I had it in very close proximity to the conversation, I doubt if it would have
[10:25.280 --> 10:29.960]  picked up much more than the background noise. Yeah. I was real sad for that part, but it
[10:29.960 --> 10:33.240]  would have been real interesting to have it on tape. Oh, I wish I could have played it
[10:33.240 --> 10:37.880]  on the air. Of course. I'm surprised somebody wasn't recording all this with a camera phone
[10:37.880 --> 10:42.160]  just to see if I got my butt clubbed to death. But you know, well, you had witnesses and
[10:42.160 --> 10:47.320]  I did have my camera phone out and I was waiting to see if they were going to do something
[10:47.320 --> 10:51.800]  and I would have recorded that part at least. But this goes right hand in hand with what
[10:51.800 --> 10:57.760]  I was telling everybody at the seminar. Listen guys, these people work for you. They, it's
[10:57.760 --> 11:02.120]  our job to make them know this stuff. The fact that they don't want to know it just
[11:02.120 --> 11:06.640]  should make us stronger and willing to get them to know it. Right. So what I'm going
[11:06.640 --> 11:11.800]  to do to get around this is I am going to mail one directly to the Austin chief of police
[11:11.800 --> 11:16.760]  with his name on it, personal information written on the folder. So it goes right into
[11:16.760 --> 11:22.280]  his hands. Now, Eddie, did you, you told these people, uh, you, you, you read that part in
[11:22.280 --> 11:27.320]  the administrative code and basically you were informing them that, uh, they can't,
[11:27.320 --> 11:33.560]  the text transportation only applies, uh, to entities operating in commerce. I quoted
[11:33.560 --> 11:37.280]  it to them directly. I didn't, uh, they didn't want me to open the book. I just quoted it
[11:37.280 --> 11:42.760]  to let you open the book. No, he didn't want to see anything between the covers because
[11:42.760 --> 11:46.840]  it might make him liable for his actions, which is what they wish to have plausible
[11:46.840 --> 11:56.480]  deniability. Wow. Wow. Well, okay. Speaking of the police chief, Acevedo, which, uh, if,
[11:56.480 --> 12:01.740]  if listeners, have you heard before the show coming into the news, uh, played the PSA that
[12:01.740 --> 12:10.200]  John Bush and I made, uh, concerning the vampire cops actually Acevedo is really the only one.
[12:10.200 --> 12:15.780]  We don't want to demonize the police on the beat, the low level cop on the beat for something
[12:15.780 --> 12:21.680]  that's not really their fault. This is Acevedo, uh, who's, who's after this trying to get
[12:21.680 --> 12:28.160]  federal, trying to get city council to approve taking federal funds so that he can set up,
[12:28.160 --> 12:33.440]  uh, pulling people's blood with syringes at traffic stops on the side of the road and
[12:33.440 --> 12:40.080]  at checkpoints. And so there's a tag event, Texas for Accountable Government, uh, this
[12:40.080 --> 12:46.720]  Saturday night, a protest, uh, this Saturday night in a March. So, uh, we're, uh, listen
[12:46.720 --> 12:54.360]  to the PSA, go to tagtexas.org for more information on that. So Eddie, okay. One of the, one of
[12:54.360 --> 13:00.560]  the points of contention is that, well, the training program, it's just not sufficient
[13:00.560 --> 13:05.880]  training. It's just not sufficient training, uh, to, to be a proper phlebotomist. And,
[13:05.880 --> 13:10.600]  and so they want to try to rework it so that they're actually certified phlebotomists and
[13:10.600 --> 13:14.880]  all this kind of thing. And, you know, I called in last night to John show and I made the
[13:14.880 --> 13:19.880]  point and I'll say it again. I really don't care how much training they have. I really
[13:19.880 --> 13:28.160]  don't care if they all have, uh, five MDs and can be medical, bona fide medical doctors
[13:28.160 --> 13:34.040]  certified by the state board, uh, by the state medical board of Texas and can perform brain
[13:34.040 --> 13:41.320]  surgery. I really don't care how much training they have or how official it is. They can't
[13:41.320 --> 13:46.120]  do it. It's illegal. So Eddie, please address that.
[13:46.120 --> 13:51.440]  Well the, the other thing is something I brought up at the seminar, which is which chapter
[13:51.440 --> 13:57.560]  in the government code controls actions of a certain agency. We learned in the administrative
[13:57.560 --> 14:04.840]  code that the department of public safety is the agency that has direct beginning, highest
[14:04.840 --> 14:09.720]  level authority over the traffic laws. They are the only ones that can delegate authority
[14:09.720 --> 14:15.560]  to local law enforcement to enforce the traffic laws. The general chapter that deals with
[14:15.560 --> 14:21.200]  the department of public safety is in government code sec, uh, chapter four 11. And if you'll
[14:21.200 --> 14:25.320]  listen to these definitions, it tells you what the references I'm going to tell you
[14:25.320 --> 14:32.120]  about here in a minute actually are. The commission means the public safety commission. Department
[14:32.120 --> 14:37.840]  means the department of public safety of the state of Texas. Director means the public
[14:37.840 --> 14:44.640]  safety director. Now when it comes to the drawing of blood for the DNA database system
[14:44.640 --> 14:52.600]  of the FBI and the state of Texas, that is also covered only under chapter four 11, which
[14:52.600 --> 14:58.380]  is all about the DPS. So what that tells us is that on these blood samples, the authority
[14:58.380 --> 15:05.960]  to draw them starts with the DPS. Therefore the limitation is exactly the same. It is
[15:05.960 --> 15:12.280]  only allowed at a traffic stop. If you're subject to commercial regulation, that would
[15:12.280 --> 15:18.400]  be the only person they could draw blood from is if they pull a commercial driver's license
[15:18.400 --> 15:23.440]  out of your pocket. If they don't do that, they would be operating outside the scope
[15:23.440 --> 15:31.440]  of their authority. It tells you right down in here very clearly that an individual who
[15:31.440 --> 15:37.440]  is trained to properly collect blood samples under this sub chapter or, and who is allowed
[15:37.440 --> 15:42.520]  to do this under the DNA samples. Remember I gave you the definition of director, the
[15:42.520 --> 15:50.120]  public, the director of public safety. Okay. That's who the director is for this program.
[15:50.120 --> 15:55.120]  The department that it also contains in this same section means the department of public
[15:55.120 --> 16:03.120]  safety. So again, this blood sampling thing is all about the commercial driver's license
[16:03.120 --> 16:08.720]  and all about those subject to those same rules. Now, Eddie, let me ask you a question
[16:08.720 --> 16:13.600]  here real quick. Just because somebody has a commercial license, like you said a minute
[16:13.600 --> 16:17.280]  ago, if they could pull a commercial driver's license out of their pocket, just because
[16:17.280 --> 16:23.660]  you have a license doesn't mean that if you're traveling, you're actually using that license.
[16:23.660 --> 16:28.760]  That is also correct. So just because they pull a driver's license out of my wallet doesn't
[16:28.760 --> 16:35.640]  mean that I'm actually using that license or engaged in any commerce on the public roadways.
[16:35.640 --> 16:41.080]  True enough. Okay. Very good. Okay. Excellent. We'll cover that when we get back, get Randy's
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[19:58.880 --> 20:24.640]  If you're actually traveling around in your own automobile or even somebody else's automobile,
[20:24.640 --> 20:29.640]  an automobile that's obviously not marked or used for the purpose of commercial activity
[20:29.640 --> 20:36.240]  upon the road, then you are not currently using your commercial license. And in that
[20:36.240 --> 20:41.480]  instance, the commercial license and the laws applicable to it would not apply to you. That's
[20:41.480 --> 20:46.320]  just like if you were working inside, you know, you work for a federal government agency.
[20:46.320 --> 20:51.440]  While you were at work in the government agency, there are strict protocols that must be followed.
[20:51.440 --> 20:55.760]  But once you're outside the building and doing your own thing on your own time, those rules
[20:55.760 --> 21:01.880]  would not apply. Same thing here. If you're not actively engaged in commerce, then you're
[21:01.880 --> 21:08.680]  not making use of the license and its restrictions and applications don't apply. Which means
[21:08.680 --> 21:14.000]  that even if they actually caught you DUI, they would have a hard time legitimizing their
[21:14.000 --> 21:21.640]  activity of prosecuting you in that regard in court. If you actually knew these laws,
[21:21.640 --> 21:25.320]  that's the deal. That's one of the reasons for the traffic seminars. So we can teach
[21:25.320 --> 21:30.220]  you these laws. But now just like in the seminar, I'm going to say this now, I have no love
[21:30.220 --> 21:35.600]  of drinking and driving. And I would appreciate it very much if you didn't put me, my friends,
[21:35.600 --> 21:41.720]  my family, or anybody else out there at risk by being that ignorant, because where I'm
[21:41.720 --> 21:45.800]  from, this is the way we would view it. And if I get elected sheriff, this is how I would
[21:45.800 --> 21:50.960]  view it. If I do get elected sheriff and managed to get into Nacogdoches County, there will
[21:50.960 --> 21:58.080]  be no such thing as a DUI ticket. What I will do is I will prosecute you for attempted murder
[21:58.080 --> 22:02.240]  because you knew the possible consequences of what you were doing when you got in that
[22:02.240 --> 22:06.800]  automobile. You knew the hazards and made with foreknowledge that if you drove in an
[22:06.800 --> 22:12.920]  impaired condition, the result could be disastrous and you chose to do it anyway. If I become
[22:12.920 --> 22:18.000]  sheriff back in Nacogdoches, it's going to return the era of personal responsibility
[22:18.000 --> 22:22.400]  and accountability. We're not going to pass the buck anymore for the actions we take as
[22:22.400 --> 22:24.400]  individuals.
[22:24.400 --> 22:35.680]  Right. Exactly. Well, what do you have to say about this, Randy? How would how would
[22:35.680 --> 22:40.640]  we address this in the courts? Like what type of criminal complaints do we file against
[22:40.640 --> 22:45.280]  these rogues who would try to take our blood on the side of the road?
[22:45.280 --> 22:51.720]  Well, Eddie and I talked about earlier about what would happen if we got rid of the traffic
[22:51.720 --> 22:59.360]  code. And at first blush, you think, well, people just start, everybody start driving
[22:59.360 --> 23:07.560]  like crazy people. It's not true. I suspect it'll be the same as when everybody's carrying
[23:07.560 --> 23:14.500]  a pistol. My son, when they first passed the right to carry law, he was real concerned
[23:14.500 --> 23:21.000]  everybody start shooting each other. I assured him doesn't work that way. I tell the story
[23:21.000 --> 23:28.880]  about being thrown out of the top half of a window in a beer joint in Karat, Thailand.
[23:28.880 --> 23:36.000]  Nobody there was armed to the teeth. Nobody was drunk enough or dumb enough to pull a
[23:36.000 --> 23:37.360]  weapon there.
[23:37.360 --> 23:45.000]  Yeah. And also, if folks want to go back and listen to the archive of one of Gary Johnson's
[23:45.000 --> 23:50.240]  show from shows from live and let live, I'm not sure who the gentleman was. He's got,
[23:50.240 --> 23:58.640]  he sends me archive descriptions for his guests. He interviewed someone on this exact issue
[23:58.640 --> 24:05.760]  would people drive crazy if there was no speed limit or no traffic quote laws that applied
[24:05.760 --> 24:13.260]  to them. And he did considerable research for six years. As a matter of fact, they did
[24:13.260 --> 24:19.920]  a statistical analysis. I believe it was in the state of Montana. I'm trying to remember
[24:19.920 --> 24:27.000]  now where, yeah, where they had no speed limit on the highways. And they, what they found
[24:27.000 --> 24:37.500]  out was when there was a speed limit, there were more deaths from car crashes on the highways
[24:37.500 --> 24:43.800]  than when there was no speed limit. When there was no speed limit on the highways, the, there
[24:43.800 --> 24:52.840]  were like, it was something like 60% less accidents and like 80% less deaths due to
[24:52.840 --> 24:59.380]  traffic accidents when there was no speed limits. So it's not just a libertarian ivory
[24:59.380 --> 25:05.080]  tower, ethereal principle pie in the sky idea. It's the fact.
[25:05.080 --> 25:10.920]  It's one of those cases where you got to watch out for everybody. So you have to be a lot
[25:10.920 --> 25:11.920]  more careful.
[25:11.920 --> 25:17.980]  Well, it's also one of these cases where when there's a speed limit, you're constantly worried
[25:17.980 --> 25:23.680]  about is there a cop around and, and you don't want to drive that fast, you know, because
[25:23.680 --> 25:29.360]  oh my God, I might get pulled over. And what ends up happening is, is that you can't really
[25:29.360 --> 25:37.200]  use your own best judgment of how to operate your vehicle or maybe not operate may not
[25:37.200 --> 25:42.480]  be the proper word is, you know, not the legal sense anyway, but you can't use your own best
[25:42.480 --> 25:50.200]  judgment of how to basically control your own private property traveling down the road
[25:50.200 --> 25:57.520]  because you've got to conform to these rules. And sometimes it's not that safe to have a
[25:57.520 --> 26:04.400]  speed limit. Sometimes it's better to just go fast, you know, as fast as you feel you
[26:04.400 --> 26:10.240]  want or need to, uh, under the current safety conditions.
[26:10.240 --> 26:17.280]  If the conditions get poor, you're more comfortable slowing down. Uh, I can in fog and what terrifies
[26:17.280 --> 26:22.200]  me more than anything is I'm afraid to go fast, but I'm also afraid to slow down.
[26:22.200 --> 26:26.320]  We'll see. Here's the other thing too. If you're on like in somewhere in Nevada or Montana
[26:26.320 --> 26:31.920]  or something where you've got extremely long stretches of roadways, like dozens of miles
[26:31.920 --> 26:37.240]  or even hundreds of miles where it's just straight ahead and you've got clarity of vision
[26:37.240 --> 26:43.640]  for literally 50 miles, then yes, under those circumstances, I would consider it safe to
[26:43.640 --> 26:49.620]  go 150 miles an hour. But the problem is if there's a speed limit, some people are going
[26:49.620 --> 26:55.320]  to quote unquote break the speed limit and they're going to be going 150 miles an hour,
[26:55.320 --> 26:59.280]  but other people are going to not want to break the speed limit because they're scared
[26:59.280 --> 27:03.600]  and they don't want to get pulled over. And so they may be going 60 miles an hour. And
[27:03.600 --> 27:10.040]  so that's where the traffic accidents come in because you zoom up on somebody that is,
[27:10.040 --> 27:16.120]  is, uh, conforming to the speed limit when they otherwise would be going 100 or 150.
[27:16.120 --> 27:21.160]  And so now you've got 150 mile an hour vehicle, uh, zooming up on the roadway, uh, behind
[27:21.160 --> 27:27.000]  another vehicle that's going less than half its speed. And that is a dangerous situation.
[27:27.000 --> 27:33.080]  Whereas if everybody was going that fast, because it would be a reasonable prudent speed
[27:33.080 --> 27:37.680]  to go in those situations, then you're not going to have the accidents because everyone's
[27:37.680 --> 27:42.680]  going to be going a hundred miles an hour plus. Well, the thing Randy and I discussed
[27:42.680 --> 27:46.600]  in that regard, that's one of the questions he posed to me. How, how would you counter
[27:46.600 --> 27:50.200]  this? If you made it where they couldn't enforce this against people, how would you counter
[27:50.200 --> 27:56.080]  it? And I said, well, that goes back to the personal responsibility and liability thing.
[27:56.080 --> 28:03.120]  When you look at the fact that your actions are no longer punishable by a fine, but they're
[28:03.120 --> 28:09.200]  punishable by prison because you caused a direct harm, which is actionable from both
[28:09.200 --> 28:14.880]  sides. That's a much greater risk for you to take in the mismanagement of your property
[28:14.880 --> 28:21.440]  and your speed rather than just having a $200 fine for running down an old lady on the sidewalk.
[28:21.440 --> 28:26.480]  The problem that we've had for far too long is the ability to pass the buck to somebody
[28:26.480 --> 28:32.040]  else for the way we behave. That's the welfare mentality. That's the state of mind of I'm
[28:32.040 --> 28:38.860]  not accountable. Well, in my eyes, you would have to be accountable because you're the
[28:38.860 --> 28:44.200]  only one that can make the moral choices. The insurance policy can't do it for you.
[28:44.200 --> 28:48.540]  In fact, it frees your mind and your attitude to think that the moral choice doesn't apply
[28:48.540 --> 28:53.480]  to you anymore because somebody else gets to foot the bill. We remove that and make
[28:53.480 --> 28:58.680]  people accountable for what they do, just like it's supposed to be. What you choose
[28:58.680 --> 29:04.200]  to do that affects someone else in a detrimental fashion, you're responsible for, and you
[29:04.200 --> 29:09.760]  are accountable for what it takes to make it right. That's just the way I look at it,
[29:09.760 --> 29:14.240]  and it's the way I've always looked at it. That's exactly why I got into this was because
[29:14.240 --> 29:19.240]  I'm tired of somebody else telling me that they have to do my thinking for me because
[29:19.240 --> 29:24.160]  they've deemed me incapable, and I'm just not up for that.
[29:24.160 --> 29:31.240]  Yeah, I'm not up for that either. What do you say, Randy?
[29:31.240 --> 29:39.920]  I think it always works better when you give people opportunity to think and people opportunity
[29:39.920 --> 29:47.000]  to act responsibly and opportunity to face the consequences when they don't.
[29:47.000 --> 29:52.580]  If you don't have that opportunity, then you'll never learn to be responsible. That's why
[29:52.580 --> 29:58.040]  you have to allow children to make mistakes and be held accountable for their actions.
[29:58.040 --> 30:00.040]  We'll be right back.
[30:00.040 --> 30:03.400]  Boy, that dinner sure was swell, wasn't it, darling?
[30:03.400 --> 30:04.880]  Yeah, it was pretty good.
[30:04.880 --> 30:05.880]  You know, I love...
[30:05.880 --> 30:08.520]  Oh, great. It's the police.
[30:08.520 --> 30:11.440]  Calm down, honey. Just do what they say.
[30:11.440 --> 30:20.840]  It is I, Arda Sabino. I want to drink your eyes.
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[30:58.040 --> 31:27.200]  Okay, Mr. Officer, when are you going to stop abuse your power?
[31:27.200 --> 31:36.160]  This is The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Debra Stevens, and that is my singer
[31:36.160 --> 31:46.720]  Patterson Martin from the sovereign nation island of Nevis in the Caribbean. And just
[31:46.720 --> 31:54.240]  like the last song from the last segment where he is basically saying that, you know, people
[31:54.240 --> 31:59.920]  criticize Three Shoes Posse band. They criticize my band. They criticize us for speaking out.
[31:59.920 --> 32:05.780]  They say we're too political. Our lyrics are too political. What we're doing is too political.
[32:05.780 --> 32:10.320]  But they don't want to stand up and fight for their rights. You know, they like, they
[32:10.320 --> 32:16.320]  love dim slavery. That's what the lyrics say, you know, on that previous song. They like,
[32:16.320 --> 32:21.760]  they love their slavery because they're getting a handout from the government, you see, you
[32:21.760 --> 32:27.240]  know. And so that's, that's my boy Patterson Martin. He, he's from the sovereign nation
[32:27.240 --> 32:32.240]  island of Nevis in the Caribbean. And I just want to make that clear because I met some
[32:32.240 --> 32:36.520]  people at the seminar and one of them, and my husband met some people at the seminar
[32:36.520 --> 32:43.120]  and one of them said to me, oh, so is that the guy that has the Jamaican accent kind
[32:43.120 --> 32:50.200]  of chuckle chuckle? And I was like, no, that's Pat, the guy who has the Caribbean accent.
[32:50.200 --> 32:55.240]  He's not from Jamaica. It's not a Jamaican accent. It's a Nevis accent. And he was born
[32:55.240 --> 33:00.480]  and raised there. So, uh, at the, it's pretty clear from the songs, my husband's a white
[33:00.480 --> 33:04.640]  guy and he sings like one, you know, we don't use fake in Jamaican accents around here.
[33:04.640 --> 33:11.880]  So if I had, if I had heard that I would have stuck up for Jerry is a genuine bad in the
[33:11.880 --> 33:17.700]  world honky. He's a genuine honky. That's for sure. He does not purport a fake in Jamaican
[33:17.700 --> 33:23.640]  accent by any means ever. He never has. Um, that is Patterson Martin. So anyway, we don't
[33:23.640 --> 33:29.520]  like, we don't love slavery. Okay. We don't like or love slavery and we don't want the
[33:29.520 --> 33:34.800]  government handout. You see, we want our freedom. All right. And so that's what we're fighting
[33:34.800 --> 33:40.760]  for right now. We are going to go to Charlie in Missouri. We're going to take your calls.
[33:40.760 --> 33:46.500]  We've got Charlie from Missouri, T from Minnesota, Deborah from Illinois. So here we go, Charlie
[33:46.500 --> 33:51.560]  in Missouri. Hey, Charlie, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? Thanks to
[33:51.560 --> 33:59.080]  ever Randy and Eddie. Appreciate you as always taking my call. Um, I've called in, uh, previously
[33:59.080 --> 34:06.360]  I'm getting ready, I guess to go to trial on a red light traffic camera ticket. Unfortunately,
[34:06.360 --> 34:13.000]  I didn't have the means or the way to get to your traffic, uh, your traffic seminar
[34:13.000 --> 34:18.880]  that you had, but, um, I'm trying to fight, fight things here on, on my own. And, uh,
[34:18.880 --> 34:22.600]  I just got a couple of questions. Maybe I can, you can help me with, first of all, I
[34:22.600 --> 34:29.440]  was listening to some past programs, uh, Randy had, Randy had, uh, um, mentioned a, uh, one
[34:29.440 --> 34:34.880]  of the things I did during this process of this stupid ticket is I requested a copy of
[34:34.880 --> 34:40.360]  the ordinance, first of all. And I just, I just, I was just flabbergasted when I read
[34:40.360 --> 34:46.600]  this ordinance and the way they just strip you of all your rights and, and they try to
[34:46.600 --> 34:52.160]  take away all your remedies or they, they try to make it apparent that they're taking
[34:52.160 --> 34:56.640]  away all your remedies under whatever they're trying to do. I was just flabbergasted. I
[34:56.640 --> 35:00.960]  just couldn't believe what I was reading. So in going through some of your past shows,
[35:00.960 --> 35:05.120]  I saw that, uh, I was listening and you had mentioned, because one of the things I did
[35:05.120 --> 35:10.960]  is I, I requested the oath of office for the judge and the prosecutor and the prosecutor
[35:10.960 --> 35:20.760]  told me none of them had an oath of office, which I was just, I found a Missouri statute
[35:20.760 --> 35:28.040]  and Missouri constitution saying that they did. Um, and he wants, um, one of the things
[35:28.040 --> 35:33.880]  he's wanting is a case law, which I have been totally unable to find except for Texas case
[35:33.880 --> 35:43.000]  law. And then, um, you, I have gone through some of your past shows. I saw that, um, I
[35:43.000 --> 35:50.080]  was listening, you had mentioned something about, uh, uh, most of, uh, Bonafides. Bonafides.
[35:50.080 --> 35:58.400]  That's really Bonafides is just a, uh, motion for, to show that they have authority. It's
[35:58.400 --> 36:07.120]  a, in Texas and the fed, it's called a rule 12 motion. It's called a what? A rule 12 motion.
[36:07.120 --> 36:16.200]  Um, it, it demands that the prosecutor and the judge show that they really are prosecutors
[36:16.200 --> 36:22.720]  and judges, that they've met all of the statutory and constitutional requirements to sit where
[36:22.720 --> 36:30.680]  they are. Now, here's something you missed in the seminar that may well be appropriate
[36:30.680 --> 36:42.100]  to Missouri. Look at your constitution and see what law enforcement agencies is created
[36:42.100 --> 36:53.040]  by constitution. And then look at the delegation to the legislature and see if they're authorized
[36:53.040 --> 37:02.840]  to create policing agencies not included in the constitution. Now in Texas, it's, it's
[37:02.840 --> 37:13.760]  clear that the constitution only creates the sheriff and constable and nowhere does it
[37:13.760 --> 37:21.440]  delegate authority to create any other policing authority, but the legislature did anyway.
[37:21.440 --> 37:30.080]  So our challenge is, is that the police have that the municipal police are without authority
[37:30.080 --> 37:42.600]  and in Texas, the code of criminal procedure specifically stipulates that the district
[37:42.600 --> 37:51.800]  attorney will prosecute all felonies and all crimes under the level of felony shall be
[37:51.800 --> 38:02.180]  prosecuted by the county attorney. It doesn't say anything about a municipal attorney hired
[38:02.180 --> 38:08.960]  by a city. Will you go into that Eddie? Yeah. What it actually states in the constitution
[38:08.960 --> 38:13.040]  is that the county attorney shall represent the state in all cases below the level of
[38:13.040 --> 38:18.120]  district court. The district attorney shall represent the state in all cases in district
[38:18.120 --> 38:25.040]  court and above and any appeals therein. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Slight mistake, not constitution
[38:25.040 --> 38:30.120]  202 code of criminal procedure. No, that's what the constitution says. Now the code of
[38:30.120 --> 38:37.160]  criminal procedure says it's slightly different. I stand corrected. That's the problem. Okay.
[38:37.160 --> 38:42.280]  Is the statute stated differently than the constitution does. Now what that basically
[38:42.280 --> 38:50.120]  means is, is that in Texas statute 2.10, I believe it is, or 2.07, it talks about the
[38:50.120 --> 38:56.400]  attorney pro tem and it very specifically says that an attorney for the state is defined
[38:56.400 --> 39:02.420]  as a county attorney, district attorney, or a criminal district attorney. It also goes
[39:02.420 --> 39:08.320]  on to say that the judge of the court may appoint any competent attorney to serve as
[39:08.320 --> 39:15.820]  the attorney pro tem if any one of these others are unable or indisposed in the ability to
[39:15.820 --> 39:19.960]  perform the duty themselves. Now right there, most people would stop reading and say, okay,
[39:19.960 --> 39:24.800]  right here says any attorney can do this. Wrong answer. You go a little bit further
[39:24.800 --> 39:31.240]  on in that same section and it specifically states that an attorney pro tem or a competent
[39:31.240 --> 39:40.200]  attorney includes an assistant attorney general. That's all it includes. There is no other.
[39:40.200 --> 39:46.640]  Therefore, the only substitute would be the assistant attorney general. Go ahead, Rainey.
[39:46.640 --> 39:54.340]  Let me explain attorney pro tem. An attorney pro tem is like a mayor pro tem. If the mayor
[39:54.340 --> 40:03.280]  can't sit before the council, then they appoint a mayor pro tem only to sit in his place until
[40:03.280 --> 40:10.640]  he returns or until, you know, if he's disqualified from some issue, then a mayor pro tem sits
[40:10.640 --> 40:17.400]  in his place. He doesn't take his place. He's just like a substitute teacher. So with a
[40:17.400 --> 40:21.900]  couple of very important exceptions, which we'll get to in a minute. Yes. And the point
[40:21.900 --> 40:33.040]  I was making here to Charlie is look in Missouri law and Missouri constitution and see if the
[40:33.040 --> 40:42.280]  constitution or the state statutes talk about a municipal attorney as opposed to a attorney
[40:42.280 --> 40:50.880]  representing the state because the municipal attorney purports to represent the state in
[40:50.880 --> 40:59.280]  a prosecution. And we can find out where he's granted that authority. I'm sorry. Go ahead,
[40:59.280 --> 41:00.280]  Eddie.
[41:00.280 --> 41:05.920]  No, that's fine. And that's true. And here's why in my opinion and theory of what the statutes
[41:05.920 --> 41:11.360]  actually say that's not done. It also says that the attorney pro tem when he acts in
[41:11.360 --> 41:18.180]  his capacity must take an oath of office. Why? Because he is occupying an elected public
[41:18.180 --> 41:27.240]  office as a prosecutor. Therefore he must take the oath. However, our state constitution
[41:27.240 --> 41:33.220]  since it mandates two requirements, which is the oath and the security bond, that would
[41:33.220 --> 41:38.000]  automatically mean that the bond would have to attach as well because the state constitution
[41:38.000 --> 41:43.960]  makes no exception to that requirement just because it's a temporary filling of the office.
[41:43.960 --> 41:49.600]  Now where does that leave the city attorney? The city attorney has no bond. The city attorney
[41:49.600 --> 41:58.680]  has no oath of office. He is simply a hired gun. So that makes him representing the state
[41:58.680 --> 42:06.880]  in a public capacity without any public accountability. It is a complete end run around constitutional
[42:06.880 --> 42:12.000]  accountability to the people, which would make a city attorney's act of serving as a
[42:12.000 --> 42:19.720]  prosecutor unconstitutional in the form of due process. And wouldn't it be nice to clobber
[42:19.720 --> 42:27.280]  him right in the courtroom and ask the bailiff to come over and arrest him for impersonating
[42:27.280 --> 42:35.880]  a prosecuting attorney? Yep. Now as far as this may apply to your red light camera ticket,
[42:35.880 --> 42:41.240]  there's two things here. First off, find out who is going to be representing the prosecution
[42:41.240 --> 42:48.840]  in court. Second thing is, find out if you're being charged civilly or criminally. If you
[42:48.840 --> 42:54.080]  are being charged civilly for this red light camera ticket, you have in your hand a bill
[42:54.080 --> 43:01.960]  of pains and penalties. File a counter complaint and suit under exactly that because that's
[43:01.960 --> 43:07.640]  exactly what it is and it is constitutionally prohibited in every single state. I was going
[43:07.640 --> 43:16.680]  to ask about that, the counter suit. I've got, I guess I've got to go Wednesday, three
[43:16.680 --> 43:23.080]  days. Can I file the counter suit in person or does that happen? Is there a time limit
[43:23.080 --> 43:27.680]  that I have to do that before the trial? You're going to file a cross complaint. Randy can
[43:27.680 --> 43:31.320]  explain this process better. He's devised how we're going to do it. Yeah, that's what
[43:31.320 --> 43:35.080]  I, yeah, Randy and I worked out the cross complaint. That's what I presented at the
[43:35.080 --> 43:40.040]  seminar. Well then, Debra, you tell them. Yeah, I can. When we get back on the other
[43:40.040 --> 43:45.240]  side, we do have other callers on the line, T, Debbie and Todd. So Charlie, we'll briefly
[43:45.240 --> 43:50.040]  finish up because normally we, we, we can really only spend one segment with callers
[43:50.040 --> 43:55.680]  from now on, but we'll finish that quickly. And we also have a very special in-studio guest
[43:55.680 --> 44:00.340]  that we're going to bring back, that we're going to bring on the air when we get back.
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[45:54.080 --> 46:01.080]  Okay, watching the sparks fly.
[46:24.760 --> 46:31.760]  Right here on the rule of law. Okay, Charlie, just briefly to address and we do want to
[46:33.080 --> 46:39.120]  make the announcement that as soon as we get the DVDs and the audio CD from the seminar
[46:39.120 --> 46:46.120]  prepared, folks will be able to order from us all the seminar materials which has a sample
[46:46.120 --> 46:53.120]  counter complaint with all the causes of action listed and explained and the lawsuit and the
[46:55.120 --> 47:02.120]  criminal complaints and Eddie's book that he wrote that's 200 pages plus the DVD plus
[47:02.120 --> 47:09.120]  the audio CD all for the very low price of $250. And we believe it's well worth it because
[47:09.120 --> 47:15.120]  all of us have spent 20, 30 years in the making on this all for the DVDs.
[47:15.120 --> 47:21.120]  Taking on this all three of us together. And so we can't really just give it away because
[47:21.120 --> 47:26.820]  we spent our blood, sweat and tears doing it. And we also have to have a way to support
[47:26.820 --> 47:29.120]  the network. Okay.
[47:29.120 --> 47:35.720]  And you watch one judge and prosecutor squirm under all this. It's worth falling.
[47:35.720 --> 47:41.920]  Yeah. And I'm just going to make a brief comment. A comment came to me over the weekend about
[47:41.920 --> 47:46.480]  someone thinking it was annoying that I was complaining about not being able to pay my
[47:46.480 --> 47:52.660]  bills and I have never complained that I can't pay my bills. I can pay my personal bills
[47:52.660 --> 47:59.660]  just fine. What I'm saying is that we need help for the network. Okay. It costs a lot
[48:00.640 --> 48:07.680]  of money to power the infrastructure of the network and the phone systems and everything.
[48:07.680 --> 48:13.920]  So people, anyone else out there who may happen to be confused, like this poor idiot was,
[48:13.920 --> 48:17.560]  I do not have problem paying my phone bill. I do not have a problem paying my electric
[48:17.560 --> 48:23.720]  bill. Okay. Jerry and I can take care of ourselves. It's fine. And we always have, but the infrastructure
[48:23.720 --> 48:30.720]  of the network is very expensive and Eddie and Randy and I, all three of us are paying
[48:31.260 --> 48:35.640]  for it mostly out of our own pockets. So that's what we need help for. We don't need help
[48:35.640 --> 48:38.920]  paying our own bills. We're not begging for a handout for our personal expenses.
[48:38.920 --> 48:44.080]  Why do you think we brought Eddie on? Does he know anything about law?
[48:44.080 --> 48:50.400]  Yes indeed. So hopefully that should clarify that situation for any other poor fool out
[48:50.400 --> 48:57.400]  there who might be confused by that. Okay. At any rate, let me answer Charlie's question
[48:57.400 --> 49:04.400]  here concerning the counter complaint. Okay. This is the way that it works. You can file
[49:09.720 --> 49:16.720]  a civil counter complaint in your municipal criminal complaint case. So most of the times
[49:18.520 --> 49:25.240]  civil and criminal cases, the civil side of law and the criminal side of law are completely
[49:25.240 --> 49:31.520]  separate from each other and they don't intermix. All right. But sometimes they do in which
[49:31.520 --> 49:38.400]  case if there is a criminal charge against you, if you're under a prosecution, all right,
[49:38.400 --> 49:44.160]  then you can file a civil cross complaint, which is not a criminal complaint. You would
[49:44.160 --> 49:48.880]  file the criminal complaint with the magistrate, the DA, that sort of thing. What the process
[49:48.880 --> 49:54.040]  that Randy is usually discussing, but the civil cross complaint, which is actually a
[49:54.040 --> 50:01.040]  civil counter lawsuit, you file in the case of the traffic ticket and there are specific
[50:02.360 --> 50:09.160]  causes of action for that and all of that is listed in the documents that are for the
[50:09.160 --> 50:14.640]  seminar material, the specific causes of action. And Deb, you bring up a really good point.
[50:14.640 --> 50:21.280]  What's that? On the red light camera, they're trying to make it a civil issue. Right. If
[50:21.280 --> 50:28.280]  it's civil, then we absolutely can counter sue. There is no subject, there's no immunity
[50:30.520 --> 50:37.520]  of any kind. And this goes to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act where what they say
[50:38.520 --> 50:45.520]  is about the government is when the government enters into commerce and the primary case,
[50:45.520 --> 50:50.520]  the one that was cited to me that got me so irritated, was about where the government
[50:50.520 --> 50:57.520]  rented a ship, at least a ship, and the Thaethelca. And the Thaethelca bashed into another ship
[51:00.800 --> 51:07.800]  and the government sued the owner of the other ship and then the owner of the other ship
[51:07.800 --> 51:12.160]  counter sued the government. And the government screamed and whined, oh, where's the government?
[51:12.160 --> 51:18.160]  You can't sue us. And the court said, well, when you come out here and you start engaging
[51:18.160 --> 51:25.160]  in commerce with everybody else, you stand on the same level as everybody else. The people
[51:25.280 --> 51:32.280]  who counter sued, one, well, in this case, they're trying to make the red light camera
[51:32.280 --> 51:39.280]  issue a civil issue. So counter sue, and almost always the company that's administering in
[51:42.920 --> 51:49.920]  the civil is out of state. So you have your complaint going out of state and then you
[51:51.200 --> 51:58.200]  have interaction coming back into the state. So file a counter suit and remove the complaint.
[51:58.200 --> 52:05.200]  That'll get their attention. All right. So listen, does that address this situation with
[52:10.160 --> 52:16.160]  you, Charlie? Yes, I just wanted to say one more thing if I could. Okay. I'm in St. Louis
[52:16.160 --> 52:22.400]  here and how important is this issue? Well, I can define that by what I heard on the news
[52:22.400 --> 52:29.400]  the other day. Channel 2 News in our St. Louis area said that St. Louis itself, they came
[52:29.840 --> 52:36.840]  out as received $10 million in red light traffic ticket violations. Of the $10 million they've
[52:37.160 --> 52:44.160]  received is actually $7 million, $3 million of that being paid to outside entities outside
[52:45.880 --> 52:50.520]  the state for the collection of the evidence. I just think that's pathetic.
[52:50.520 --> 52:57.520]  So if you can show that the red light issue violates any constitutionally protected right,
[53:01.320 --> 53:08.320]  then you can go to, okay, let me preface. This has been done before. This is not new.
[53:09.520 --> 53:12.760]  Video cameras been around a long time. They're getting a lot cheaper and easier to use, but
[53:12.760 --> 53:19.160]  they've always been around. They've been trying this for years and years. It always gets struck
[53:19.160 --> 53:26.160]  down as unconstitutional. But in the meantime, the jurisdiction makes a lot of money. So
[53:26.560 --> 53:33.560]  if you maintain an ongoing criminal conspiracy and hit them with Rico and ask them to repay
[53:36.000 --> 53:43.000]  all of the fines they've collected in triplicate, but not ask for any money yourself, ask for
[53:43.000 --> 53:50.000]  ask for injunctive relief, ordering the jurisdiction to repay all of these monies in triplicate,
[53:52.520 --> 53:59.520]  then nobody has any immunity of any kind. If you ask for damages for yourself, it invokes
[54:02.840 --> 54:09.840]  immunity. But if you only ask for injunctive relief and injunctive relief in order in the
[54:09.840 --> 54:15.800]  context of ordering everybody to pay back all the money they collected illegally, that's
[54:15.800 --> 54:22.800]  injunctive. It's not damage. Immunity is not invoked. They can't claim immunity of any
[54:24.160 --> 54:29.240]  kind and you can stick them in the federal court and you might get your name on a case
[54:29.240 --> 54:31.680]  and be famous and save people lots of money.
[54:31.680 --> 54:35.960]  Well, I'll tell you what, it's because of you guys that I've even taken the action that
[54:35.960 --> 54:42.880]  I'm taking and the things that I've done so far in just this little case, as well as I've
[54:42.880 --> 54:48.080]  had so much of an education for just a, even if I know I'm going to lose a few hundred
[54:48.080 --> 54:55.080]  dollars, I'm going to run the red light again with faith just to let it take my picture
[54:55.800 --> 54:57.280]  so we can do it again.
[54:57.280 --> 55:04.280]  Okay, when you run the red light next time, get you a bobblehead of George Bush with a
[55:04.280 --> 55:08.280]  Hitler mustache on it and hold it up in the windshield.
[55:08.280 --> 55:13.160]  Well, in this case here, one of the things is they don't have to take your picture of
[55:13.160 --> 55:18.160]  the person driving and they don't. They only take a picture of the car.
[55:18.160 --> 55:21.240]  Yeah, now it's purely crime by ownership.
[55:21.240 --> 55:25.040]  The only thing that, well, the ownership issue is one of the things I'm going to claim because
[55:25.040 --> 55:32.040]  I don't own the vehicle. The state does on the MCO. So I don't own the vehicle anyway.
[55:32.040 --> 55:35.040]  Good point. So the state has to pay the ticket.
[55:35.040 --> 55:37.800]  The only other thing I'm going to do when I run the red light next time is they'll see
[55:37.800 --> 55:43.720]  my rear view plate with my hand sticking out the window and I'll probably have a couple
[55:43.720 --> 55:45.320]  fingers down.
[55:45.320 --> 55:47.400]  Just two?
[55:47.400 --> 55:50.840]  I like them.
[55:50.840 --> 55:55.840]  I've used three and just say read between the lines.
[55:55.840 --> 56:02.840]  So anyway, thanks for taking my call. I'll continue to listen. And Debra, you know, man,
[56:07.240 --> 56:11.960]  you shouldn't have to explain so heartily the efforts that you guys are putting in.
[56:11.960 --> 56:16.040]  I know I shouldn't have to explain. It's really kind of ridiculous, isn't it, that somebody
[56:16.040 --> 56:20.640]  would treat me that way? Treat all of us that way, I might add, because this is a group
[56:20.640 --> 56:25.320]  effort, Randy and Eddie and I, all together. It really is stupid that I should have to
[56:25.320 --> 56:29.120]  explain these things. But apparently there's people out there that have these kinds of
[56:29.120 --> 56:34.040]  attitudes. And if one does, I don't know how many others there are. So I got to set the
[56:34.040 --> 56:35.240]  record straight.
[56:35.240 --> 56:40.360]  Well, that's not my attitude. It's just my position. I just don't have what I need to
[56:40.360 --> 56:47.360]  do. I'm almost in, you know, I'm pretty broke. But I have done a few things. I did get jurisdictionary
[56:47.360 --> 56:53.560]  and I plan on getting your stuff. And I've been racking up a bill, as far as with you
[56:53.560 --> 57:00.560]  guys. And sometime or later, I am going to do, you know, and donate something. And the
[57:01.720 --> 57:08.240]  other thing that I do for you is I promote your website. Everybody that I talk to, it
[57:08.240 --> 57:13.040]  just amazes me that they don't want to listen to. And I know there's people out there that
[57:13.040 --> 57:18.040]  can help you, and they won't. These idiots just won't.
[57:18.040 --> 57:25.040]  What we really need is somebody that can deal with the advertisers. Because I don't have
[57:26.800 --> 57:33.000]  time and that's not my area of expertise anyway. I'm not a salesman. What we need is somebody
[57:33.000 --> 57:38.760]  who can sit there on the phone all day long and make phone calls to solicit for sponsors
[57:38.760 --> 57:43.320]  to advertise on the network for a commission. They would get paid, but it would be on a
[57:43.320 --> 57:49.320]  commission basis for the person who'd be landing the advertising contracts. And that way I'm
[57:49.320 --> 57:53.720]  not asking somebody to volunteer their time for free and work for nothing. They would
[57:53.720 --> 57:57.880]  get paid. The network would get supported. So if there's anyone out there that has the
[57:57.880 --> 58:03.200]  time, who has experience with advertising, you know, in the advertising industry, that's
[58:03.200 --> 58:07.040]  what we really need more. And I appreciate the donations, but I really don't want to
[58:07.040 --> 58:12.120]  hand out for the network even, but we have to ask for donations again for the network
[58:12.120 --> 58:16.560]  so that, you know, we can keep ourselves on the air.
[58:16.560 --> 58:20.400]  And just before we go to break, I do want to let you know, Charlie, you're the reason
[58:20.400 --> 58:24.520]  we're here. Yes, indeed. We're looking for those people who are willing to go out there
[58:24.520 --> 58:27.800]  and kick some butt. Okay. And listen, we got to let you go now,
[58:27.800 --> 58:31.480]  Charlie, because I have to bring, when we get back on the other side of the break, I'm
[58:31.480 --> 58:37.120]  going to introduce my in-studio guest, my surprise special guest. And you're just going
[58:37.120 --> 58:40.800]  to have to wait and find out who it is. When we get back on the...
[58:40.800 --> 58:45.120]  He's the guy who drinks all my booze. That's between you and him. That's between
[58:45.120 --> 58:49.980]  you and him. All right. T, Debbie, Todd, Meta, just stay on the line because my in-studio
[58:49.980 --> 58:52.720]  guest is going to have to go pretty soon. So we're going to bring him back as soon as
[58:52.720 --> 58:57.360]  we get back on the other side. This is the rule of law, ruleoflawradio.com. We'll be
[58:57.360 --> 59:02.880]  right back. Boy, that dinner sure was swale, wasn't it,
[59:02.880 --> 59:04.720]  darling? Yeah, it was pretty good.
[59:04.720 --> 59:08.360]  You know, I love... Oh, great. It's the police.
[59:08.360 --> 59:19.360]  Just calm down, honey. Just do what they say. It is I, Arda Sabino. I want to drink your
[59:19.360 --> 59:23.480]  wine. Vampire cops got you down? Then join Texans
[59:23.480 --> 59:27.800]  for Accountable Government on Halloween at 8 p.m. at the corner of South First and Barton
[59:27.800 --> 59:33.000]  Springs Road as we hold a press conference and we protest non-consensual blood withdrawals.
[59:33.000 --> 59:38.680]  Later that night at 10 p.m., we'll be partying at Elysium, located at 705 Red River Street.
[59:38.680 --> 59:43.120]  Tell the bouncer you're with Texans for Accountable Government and the $5 cover charge will go
[59:43.120 --> 59:48.400]  to Support Square Patrol, a local nonprofit which offers sober rides home. Again, join
[59:48.400 --> 59:53.920]  us at 8 p.m. on the corner of South First and Barton Springs. Go to tagtexas.org for
[59:53.920 --> 01:00:04.320]  more info. And remember, Austin, don't drink and drive.
[01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:10.360]  Israel Aerospace Industries says it will supply unmanned spy planes to Germany for reconnaissance
[01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:17.800]  missions in Afghanistan early next year. Manfred Nowak, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on torture,
[01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:23.400]  was deported from Zimbabwe Thursday. Nowak had been invited by Prime Minister Morgan
[01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:29.080]  Svangeri, but when he arrived in Johannesburg, he was told his visit had been canceled. Opposition
[01:00:29.080 --> 01:00:34.920]  supporters have accused Mugabe loyalists of violence, harassment, and carrying out arbitrary
[01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:42.000]  arrests. Scientists at the Cork Cancer Research Center in Ireland treated Gallit cancer cells
[01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:47.440]  with curcumin, a chemical found in the curry spice turmeric. According to the British Journal
[01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:55.640]  of Cancer, scientists found curcumin started to kill cancer cells within 24 hours.
[01:00:55.640 --> 01:01:02.520]  Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday the U.S. will give Pakistan $125 million to
[01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:09.200]  upgrade key power stations and transmission lines. U.S. officials said the initial disbursement
[01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:15.520]  is part of an effort by the Obama administration to stave off power shortages across Pakistan.
[01:01:15.520 --> 01:01:20.520]  They said blackouts are slowing economic growth and aiding the Taliban and other militant
[01:01:20.520 --> 01:01:26.160]  groups seeking to weaken the Pakistan government. A U.S. official said the Taliban can feed
[01:01:26.160 --> 01:01:31.680]  off the blackouts and claim the government isn't delivering services. U.S. experts are
[01:01:31.680 --> 01:01:37.240]  also beginning to work with Pakistani utility companies to reduce power outages and lost
[01:01:37.240 --> 01:01:43.520]  revenue caused by outmoded technologies and non-payment by customers. The Office of Richard
[01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:49.240]  Holbrooke, Washington's special representative to Pakistan and Afghanistan, has cobbled together
[01:01:49.240 --> 01:01:55.240]  energy experts in an effort to attract international investment. Pakistan has developed virtually
[01:01:55.240 --> 01:02:01.680]  no new power production in nearly a decade.
[01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:07.480]  Barack Obama renewed sanctions against Sudan Tuesday, a week after unveiling a new policy
[01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:13.240]  of pressure and incentives toward the Khartoum government. The sanctions restrict U.S. trade
[01:02:13.240 --> 01:02:20.400]  with and investment in Sudan, freezes Sudanese government assets in the U.S. and bans transactions
[01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:26.040]  with individuals and entities linked to the conflict in Darfur. Critics say the International
[01:02:26.040 --> 01:02:31.600]  Chamber of Commerce warrant singles out weak states like Sudan while ignoring countries
[01:02:31.600 --> 01:02:37.460]  like the U.S. and Israel who also commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. The sanctions
[01:02:37.460 --> 01:02:42.360]  are part of a revised U.S. policy that seeks to ensure the country does not become a safe
[01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:48.000]  haven for terrorists and that a peace deal is fully implemented. The new strategy involves
[01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:54.080]  U.S. engagement with Sudanese officials, but not President Omar al-Bashir, who faces an
[01:02:54.080 --> 01:03:13.320]  international criminal court arrest warrant on war crimes charges over Darfur.
[01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:31.380]  U.S.
[01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:33.380]  Public and them a scratch man
[01:03:33.380 --> 01:03:35.380]  Tell them I'm a libertarian
[01:03:35.380 --> 01:03:37.380]  Them say we born to lose but we born to win
[01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:39.380]  Come rock on
[01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:41.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:03:41.380 --> 01:03:43.380]  Chant love, rule this land
[01:03:43.380 --> 01:03:47.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:03:47.380 --> 01:03:49.380]  Chant down by it
[01:03:49.380 --> 01:03:51.380]  Chant down by it
[01:03:51.380 --> 01:03:53.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:55.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:57.380]  Chant love, rule this land
[01:03:57.380 --> 01:03:59.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:03:59.380 --> 01:04:01.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:03.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:04:03.380 --> 01:04:05.380]  All of them when we chant
[01:04:05.380 --> 01:04:07.380]  When we see
[01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:09.380]  All man was created equally
[01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:11.380]  Chant down Babylon
[01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:13.380]  And do it daily
[01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:15.380]  When night come
[01:04:15.380 --> 01:04:17.380]  Pray for everybody
[01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:19.380]  One by one
[01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:21.380]  We have to chant them man
[01:04:21.380 --> 01:04:23.380]  We chant down Babylon
[01:04:23.380 --> 01:04:25.380]  Because Babylon is wrong
[01:04:25.380 --> 01:04:27.380]  The only right man
[01:04:27.380 --> 01:04:29.380]  We take me say Lord man
[01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:31.380]  Before we hear no man
[01:04:31.380 --> 01:04:33.380]  To chant down Babylon now
[01:04:33.380 --> 01:04:35.380]  Not later
[01:04:35.380 --> 01:04:37.380]  To let Babylon know say we getting greater
[01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:39.380]  We got the donkey
[01:04:39.380 --> 01:04:41.380]  Me say June tell a lie
[01:04:41.380 --> 01:04:43.380]  Say Jesus Christ
[01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:45.380]  I'll rescue him
[01:04:45.380 --> 01:04:47.380]  Chant down by it
[01:04:47.380 --> 01:04:49.380]  One by one
[01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:51.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:04:51.380 --> 01:04:53.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:04:53.380 --> 01:04:55.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:57.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:27.380]  You have to do what is true
[01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:29.380]  Chant down by it
[01:05:29.380 --> 01:05:31.380]  One by one
[01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:33.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:35.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:05:35.380 --> 01:05:37.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:39.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:05:39.380 --> 01:05:41.380]  Chant for our worst disease
[01:05:41.380 --> 01:05:43.380]  When we get a body truck and forty acres
[01:05:43.380 --> 01:05:45.380]  We wander to Nihonai
[01:05:45.380 --> 01:05:47.380]  Chant down Babylon
[01:05:47.380 --> 01:05:49.380]  Chant down Babylon
[01:05:49.380 --> 01:05:51.380]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:05:51.380 --> 01:05:53.380]  This is the rule of law
[01:05:53.380 --> 01:05:55.380]  Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens
[01:05:55.380 --> 01:05:57.380]  and Eddie Craig, of course
[01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:59.380]  and now
[01:05:59.380 --> 01:06:01.380]  for our very special in-studio
[01:06:01.380 --> 01:06:03.380]  guest, the man that I was
[01:06:03.380 --> 01:06:05.380]  talking about on the air
[01:06:05.380 --> 01:06:07.380]  last hour
[01:06:07.380 --> 01:06:09.380]  Mr. Patterson Mutton
[01:06:09.380 --> 01:06:11.380]  from the Sovereign
[01:06:11.380 --> 01:06:13.380]  Island, the Sovereign Nation
[01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:15.380]  Island of Nevis, he
[01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:17.380]  this is the first
[01:06:17.380 --> 01:06:19.380]  his debut appearance here
[01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:21.380]  lead singer for Three Shoes Posse
[01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:23.380]  welcome to the show, Pat
[01:06:23.380 --> 01:06:25.380]  and I would like to tell everybody in America
[01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:27.380]  who listening to the show, I wish you
[01:06:27.380 --> 01:06:29.380]  will wake up and stop dreaming
[01:06:29.380 --> 01:06:31.380]  because if you start dreaming, you're never going to achieve the American dream
[01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:33.380]  so get the American reality down
[01:06:33.380 --> 01:06:35.380]  before you start dreaming, alright?
[01:06:35.380 --> 01:06:37.380]  Absolutely, now Pat
[01:06:37.380 --> 01:06:39.380]  you wanted to talk to us
[01:06:39.380 --> 01:06:41.380]  and you know
[01:06:41.380 --> 01:06:43.380]  basically get Mr. Craig's
[01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:45.380]  Mr. Eddie Craig's take on
[01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:47.380]  a situation, a traffic situation
[01:06:47.380 --> 01:06:49.380]  you and your friend just recently got
[01:06:49.380 --> 01:06:51.380]  pulled over, so why don't you tell
[01:06:51.380 --> 01:06:53.380]  us, tell us what happened
[01:06:53.380 --> 01:06:55.380]  just the facts, man, just the
[01:06:55.380 --> 01:06:57.380]  I'm going to deliver the facts, first of all, I always get
[01:06:57.380 --> 01:06:59.380]  pulled over for driving, you know,
[01:06:59.380 --> 01:07:01.380]  BWB, you know, so
[01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:03.380]  What is BWB? Driving while black
[01:07:03.380 --> 01:07:05.380]  Driving while black?
[01:07:05.380 --> 01:07:07.380]  In other words, profiling
[01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:09.380]  So, you know, we just got pulled over, my friend
[01:07:09.380 --> 01:07:11.380]  he forgot, he paid his
[01:07:11.380 --> 01:07:13.380]  tickets and he had
[01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:15.380]  these surcharges, they give people now
[01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:17.380]  when you get pulled over for insurance
[01:07:17.380 --> 01:07:19.380]  tickets are warrant, they take away your driver's license
[01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:21.380]  you got to pay surcharges
[01:07:21.380 --> 01:07:23.380]  and he just had two surcharges that came up
[01:07:23.380 --> 01:07:25.380]  while we get him pulled over
[01:07:25.380 --> 01:07:27.380]  they came up, so
[01:07:27.380 --> 01:07:29.380]  Who was behind the wheel, Pat?
[01:07:29.380 --> 01:07:31.380]  I was driving, you know
[01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:33.380]  Now, wait a minute, how
[01:07:33.380 --> 01:07:35.380]  did he have a DUI on his record or
[01:07:35.380 --> 01:07:37.380]  something or no insurance? No, he just got busted
[01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:39.380]  for, you know, we island people, we have
[01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:41.380]  our medicinal purposes
[01:07:41.380 --> 01:07:43.380]  So, because of the medicinal
[01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:45.380]  purposes that he, that they were
[01:07:45.380 --> 01:07:47.380]  trying to get him, they had him in trouble
[01:07:47.380 --> 01:07:49.380]  for earlier, he has to pay
[01:07:49.380 --> 01:07:51.380]  some kind of a surcharge on his drivers license
[01:07:51.380 --> 01:07:53.380]  Which I had to pay a thousand dollars
[01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:55.380]  for three years because of the same situation
[01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:57.380]  which if you don't pay, you can't drive
[01:07:57.380 --> 01:07:59.380]  So, if you have surcharges
[01:07:59.380 --> 01:08:01.380]  you make sure you pay, then you could drive
[01:08:01.380 --> 01:08:03.380]  which really basically, you're paying to drive
[01:08:03.380 --> 01:08:05.380]  Well, we're paying to drive
[01:08:05.380 --> 01:08:07.380]  anyway because we still
[01:08:07.380 --> 01:08:09.380]  have to pay to have a drivers license even if
[01:08:09.380 --> 01:08:11.380]  you're not, even if they
[01:08:11.380 --> 01:08:13.380]  don't charge you these surcharges
[01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:15.380]  Every month you pay a surcharge to drive
[01:08:15.380 --> 01:08:17.380]  and you get to drive, but I would like to
[01:08:17.380 --> 01:08:19.380]  also tell the people out there, remember the cops' workforce
[01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:21.380]  and they swear to arrest their own mother
[01:08:21.380 --> 01:08:23.380]  so what they would do to me and you
[01:08:23.380 --> 01:08:25.380]  Okay, wait a minute, now Eddie was saying something, go ahead, Eddie
[01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:27.380]  What was the excuse they used to
[01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:29.380]  pull you over, Pat? Oh, the first
[01:08:29.380 --> 01:08:31.380]  excuse was, they say I did a roll-through
[01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:33.380]  A roll-through?
[01:08:33.380 --> 01:08:35.380]  Yeah, well, he said I didn't count
[01:08:35.380 --> 01:08:37.380]  to one Mississippi, two Mississippi and
[01:08:37.380 --> 01:08:39.380]  do the count thing
[01:08:39.380 --> 01:08:41.380]  and I surely did stop
[01:08:41.380 --> 01:08:43.380]  and first of all, it was
[01:08:43.380 --> 01:08:45.380]  undercover
[01:08:45.380 --> 01:08:47.380]  undercover police from
[01:08:47.380 --> 01:08:49.380]  Williamson County, pulled me over
[01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:51.380]  in Travis County, called
[01:08:51.380 --> 01:08:53.380]  Austin Police, come out
[01:08:53.380 --> 01:08:55.380]  there, I mean
[01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:57.380]  it was just a whole thing, I got in a big old argument
[01:08:57.380 --> 01:08:59.380]  with them because, you know, they wanted
[01:08:59.380 --> 01:09:01.380]  to take me too, but I was like, yeah, I can't take me
[01:09:01.380 --> 01:09:03.380]  I might want it for none, you know
[01:09:03.380 --> 01:09:05.380]  what I'm saying, and I start asking them for the badge number
[01:09:05.380 --> 01:09:07.380]  who is their boss
[01:09:07.380 --> 01:09:09.380]  you know, that's when they start getting mad at me
[01:09:09.380 --> 01:09:11.380]  Did you get the number of the vehicle
[01:09:11.380 --> 01:09:13.380]  or the officer from Williamson County?
[01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:15.380]  Ah, yes, I sure did, I got pictures, number
[01:09:15.380 --> 01:09:17.380]  everything, buddy, I don't play with these people, man
[01:09:17.380 --> 01:09:19.380]  Okay, then the first thing you want
[01:09:19.380 --> 01:09:21.380]  is to demand a copy of the
[01:09:21.380 --> 01:09:23.380]  video from his car
[01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:25.380]  which will show that you did not roll through
[01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:27.380]  the stop sign and it was a bogus charge
[01:09:27.380 --> 01:09:29.380]  Yeah, but he didn't even give me a ticket
[01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:31.380]  he let me go for free
[01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:33.380]  Yeah, but wait a minute
[01:09:33.380 --> 01:09:35.380]  hold on, that's not the point, Pat, the point
[01:09:35.380 --> 01:09:37.380]  is, when you get the
[01:09:37.380 --> 01:09:39.380]  video that shows that you
[01:09:39.380 --> 01:09:41.380]  did come to a complete stop
[01:09:41.380 --> 01:09:43.380]  then what that does is it
[01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:45.380]  destroys their probable
[01:09:45.380 --> 01:09:47.380]  cause for pulling you over in the
[01:09:47.380 --> 01:09:49.380]  first place
[01:09:49.380 --> 01:09:51.380]  And your friend's arrest
[01:09:51.380 --> 01:09:53.380]  Yes, I mean, he got out for free too, they let him go
[01:09:53.380 --> 01:09:55.380]  they tell him that the guy
[01:09:55.380 --> 01:09:57.380]  questioned him about some
[01:09:57.380 --> 01:09:59.380]  mistaken identity, some things
[01:09:59.380 --> 01:10:01.380]  some other black guys did, so he
[01:10:01.380 --> 01:10:03.380]  was like, well, he looked
[01:10:03.380 --> 01:10:05.380]  the description fit him, so took him in for questioning
[01:10:05.380 --> 01:10:07.380]  Wait a minute, are you saying that they released him
[01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:09.380]  without charge? Without charge, without
[01:10:09.380 --> 01:10:11.380]  anything Okay, but see now, you
[01:10:11.380 --> 01:10:13.380]  know what, now you can go back
[01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:15.380]  and sue him for all
[01:10:15.380 --> 01:10:17.380]  the trouble that they put you and
[01:10:17.380 --> 01:10:19.380]  your friend through because he had to sit in
[01:10:19.380 --> 01:10:21.380]  jail and was arrested and all this stuff
[01:10:21.380 --> 01:10:23.380]  y'all need to get monetary compensation
[01:10:23.380 --> 01:10:25.380]  for that
[01:10:25.380 --> 01:10:27.380]  because y'all had no, there was
[01:10:27.380 --> 01:10:29.380]  no probable cause for y'all to get
[01:10:29.380 --> 01:10:31.380]  pulled over in the first place and that's why
[01:10:31.380 --> 01:10:33.380]  Eddie's saying to get a copy of that video
[01:10:33.380 --> 01:10:35.380]  to prove that you came to a complete
[01:10:35.380 --> 01:10:37.380]  stop and I have something else to say
[01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:39.380]  hold on, wait a second Pat, I have something else to say
[01:10:39.380 --> 01:10:41.380]  about this complete stop thing
[01:10:41.380 --> 01:10:43.380]  I could prove in court
[01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:45.380]  what that
[01:10:45.380 --> 01:10:47.380]  I would come to a complete
[01:10:47.380 --> 01:10:49.380]  stop if
[01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:51.380]  your car rolls backwards
[01:10:51.380 --> 01:10:53.380]  at the stop sign and that's one of the
[01:10:53.380 --> 01:10:55.380]  reasons I drive a stick shift
[01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:57.380]  and if you're going up a hill slightly
[01:10:57.380 --> 01:10:59.380]  let the car roll backwards and here's
[01:10:59.380 --> 01:11:01.380]  why, through
[01:11:01.380 --> 01:11:03.380]  calculus alright, you can prove
[01:11:03.380 --> 01:11:05.380]  through differentials
[01:11:05.380 --> 01:11:07.380]  which basically
[01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:09.380]  is the tangent to the
[01:11:09.380 --> 01:11:11.380]  curve of the graph at any point
[01:11:11.380 --> 01:11:13.380]  in time alright
[01:11:13.380 --> 01:11:15.380]  if the car is moving
[01:11:15.380 --> 01:11:17.380]  forward, if any object is moving forward
[01:11:17.380 --> 01:11:19.380]  and then at some
[01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:21.380]  point in time moves backwards
[01:11:21.380 --> 01:11:23.380]  it has to
[01:11:23.380 --> 01:11:25.380]  pass through a point on
[01:11:25.380 --> 01:11:27.380]  the graph even if it's
[01:11:27.380 --> 01:11:29.380]  for an instant where the
[01:11:29.380 --> 01:11:31.380]  velocity of the object
[01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:33.380]  is zero
[01:11:33.380 --> 01:11:35.380]  okay, you can't go
[01:11:35.380 --> 01:11:37.380]  you can't start to move
[01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:39.380]  backwards when you were
[01:11:39.380 --> 01:11:41.380]  already moving forwards and then
[01:11:41.380 --> 01:11:43.380]  move backwards without passing
[01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.380]  a point where the
[01:11:45.380 --> 01:11:47.380]  velocity was zero, now I wouldn't recommend
[01:11:47.380 --> 01:11:49.380]  you know, just going forward
[01:11:49.380 --> 01:11:51.380]  and then moving backwards but stop
[01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:53.380]  and then let your car roll
[01:11:53.380 --> 01:11:55.380]  back and then start going
[01:11:55.380 --> 01:11:57.380]  forward again because then you prove
[01:11:57.380 --> 01:11:59.380]  undisputably
[01:11:59.380 --> 01:12:01.380]  through mathematics
[01:12:01.380 --> 01:12:03.380]  through calculus that you had to
[01:12:03.380 --> 01:12:05.380]  have come to a complete stop at some point
[01:12:05.380 --> 01:12:07.380]  I think I can get there without
[01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:09.380]  calculus well, it's easy enough
[01:12:09.380 --> 01:12:11.380]  it takes about five minutes
[01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:13.380]  and because
[01:12:13.380 --> 01:12:15.380]  even on the video, the
[01:12:15.380 --> 01:12:17.380]  cop could always claim that
[01:12:17.380 --> 01:12:19.380]  well, you know, it still kind of
[01:12:19.380 --> 01:12:21.380]  looks like they may have been moving forward
[01:12:21.380 --> 01:12:23.380]  or just barely was slowed
[01:12:23.380 --> 01:12:25.380]  down but really it looked like
[01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:27.380]  they were still moving
[01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:29.380]  but if your car actually moves backwards
[01:12:29.380 --> 01:12:31.380]  then they cannot
[01:12:31.380 --> 01:12:33.380]  make any claim at all
[01:12:33.380 --> 01:12:35.380]  that you didn't come to a stop
[01:12:35.380 --> 01:12:37.380]  but here's the thing that really
[01:12:37.380 --> 01:12:39.380]  makes all that completely unnecessary
[01:12:39.380 --> 01:12:41.380]  once again, there is
[01:12:41.380 --> 01:12:43.380]  but one kind of driver's license
[01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:45.380]  in Texas, one and one only
[01:12:45.380 --> 01:12:47.380]  and it is a commercial driver's
[01:12:47.380 --> 01:12:49.380]  license, it's got different classifications
[01:12:49.380 --> 01:12:51.380]  but it is still just
[01:12:51.380 --> 01:12:53.380]  a commercial driver's license
[01:12:53.380 --> 01:12:55.380]  unless you're engaged in
[01:12:55.380 --> 01:12:57.380]  commerce, it doesn't matter if you
[01:12:57.380 --> 01:12:59.380]  did a Tokyo Drift through the stop sign
[01:12:59.380 --> 01:13:01.380]  I was just
[01:13:01.380 --> 01:13:03.380]  saying that to throw out
[01:13:03.380 --> 01:13:05.380]  the probable cause in court, that's all
[01:13:05.380 --> 01:13:07.380]  yeah, but I mean, as long
[01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:09.380]  as what you do, if you showed
[01:13:09.380 --> 01:13:11.380]  reasonable exercise
[01:13:11.380 --> 01:13:13.380]  in the stop sign to ensure
[01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:15.380]  that you were not creating a hazard
[01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:17.380]  to anyone else, you're not
[01:13:17.380 --> 01:13:19.380]  driving a commercial motor vehicle
[01:13:19.380 --> 01:13:21.380]  that officer has no
[01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:23.380]  probable cause to stop you
[01:13:23.380 --> 01:13:25.380]  okay, so, wait a minute
[01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:27.380]  a Tokyo what?
[01:13:27.380 --> 01:13:29.380]  the Tokyo Drift
[01:13:29.380 --> 01:13:31.380]  yeah, what is that?
[01:13:31.380 --> 01:13:33.380]  they slide the rear of the car around where the front tires
[01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:35.380]  stay pretty much stationary or travel
[01:13:35.380 --> 01:13:37.380]  in a circular pattern while the rear of the car
[01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:39.380]  spins around on the outside of the company
[01:13:39.380 --> 01:13:41.380]  okay, go ahead
[01:13:41.380 --> 01:13:43.380]  finish your story, Pat
[01:13:43.380 --> 01:13:45.380]  but they also
[01:13:45.380 --> 01:13:47.380]  took my friend away to jail
[01:13:47.380 --> 01:13:49.380]  the detective
[01:13:49.380 --> 01:13:51.380]  from Williamson County
[01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:53.380]  would question him about a crime that happened in
[01:13:53.380 --> 01:13:55.380]  Williamson County, and this
[01:13:55.380 --> 01:13:57.380]  boy lived in Travis County, obviously
[01:13:57.380 --> 01:13:59.380]  he had nothing to do with it, but they said he looked like
[01:13:59.380 --> 01:14:01.380]  this person, and I thought
[01:14:01.380 --> 01:14:03.380]  that was unfair for them to question him and let
[01:14:03.380 --> 01:14:05.380]  somebody from another county question him
[01:14:05.380 --> 01:14:07.380]  about something when they didn't even pull him over for that
[01:14:07.380 --> 01:14:09.380]  I have a question, Pat
[01:14:09.380 --> 01:14:11.380]  was the officer
[01:14:11.380 --> 01:14:13.380]  from Williamson County white?
[01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:15.380]  yes, a young dude too, and I
[01:14:15.380 --> 01:14:17.380]  told him, I'm older, he could have been my son
[01:14:17.380 --> 01:14:19.380]  now, I have another question
[01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:21.380]  all you got black guys look alike to us
[01:14:21.380 --> 01:14:23.380]  basically, he said it like that, but not in
[01:14:23.380 --> 01:14:25.380]  that way, Randy, I'm not, you know what I'm saying
[01:14:25.380 --> 01:14:27.380]  I read between the lines
[01:14:27.380 --> 01:14:29.380]  okay, and I have another question too
[01:14:29.380 --> 01:14:31.380]  how far away from the county line
[01:14:31.380 --> 01:14:33.380]  were you when the
[01:14:33.380 --> 01:14:35.380]  Williamson County officer
[01:14:35.380 --> 01:14:37.380]  pulled you over?
[01:14:37.380 --> 01:14:39.380]  we was in Lamar
[01:14:39.380 --> 01:14:41.380]  we was nowhere near Williamson County, he was just
[01:14:41.380 --> 01:14:43.380]  there sitting down talking with another cop
[01:14:43.380 --> 01:14:45.380]  okay, because the reason I asked that
[01:14:45.380 --> 01:14:47.380]  whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, he was in the presence
[01:14:47.380 --> 01:14:49.380]  of another local police officer
[01:14:49.380 --> 01:14:51.380]  yes, he was there, and then what he did
[01:14:51.380 --> 01:14:53.380]  he put on his thing, and then the
[01:14:53.380 --> 01:14:55.380]  Austin police came and took over
[01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:57.380]  okay, the reason I asked that
[01:14:57.380 --> 01:14:59.380]  is because
[01:14:59.380 --> 01:15:01.380]  officers from other counties
[01:15:01.380 --> 01:15:03.380]  can, who do have a certain degree
[01:15:03.380 --> 01:15:05.380]  of jurisdiction in adjacent county, but it's
[01:15:05.380 --> 01:15:07.380]  only like 400 feet, right Randy?
[01:15:07.380 --> 01:15:09.380]  no, it's 400 yards, 400 yards, you have
[01:15:09.380 --> 01:15:11.380]  to, if
[01:15:11.380 --> 01:15:13.380]  if you were within 400
[01:15:13.380 --> 01:15:15.380]  yards of the Williamson County line, he could
[01:15:15.380 --> 01:15:17.380]  have jurisdiction to pull you over, but you're on Lamar
[01:15:17.380 --> 01:15:19.380]  no way, wait, wait, wait, now
[01:15:19.380 --> 01:15:21.380]  that's slightly mistaken, they do have
[01:15:21.380 --> 01:15:23.380]  authority to act in any county
[01:15:23.380 --> 01:15:25.380]  if, and only if
[01:15:25.380 --> 01:15:27.380]  they're the only officer present
[01:15:27.380 --> 01:15:29.380]  if they're the only one that can
[01:15:29.380 --> 01:15:31.380]  do something about the crime in progress
[01:15:31.380 --> 01:15:33.380]  they have the authority to act anywhere
[01:15:33.380 --> 01:15:35.380]  no, that's fairly recent
[01:15:35.380 --> 01:15:37.380]  yeah, but he wasn't, there was the
[01:15:37.380 --> 01:15:39.380]  chilling, waiting for two black guys
[01:15:39.380 --> 01:15:41.380]  if there was another local officer
[01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:43.380]  with him, this guy had no jurisdiction
[01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:45.380]  to do squat, except back the
[01:15:45.380 --> 01:15:47.380]  other guy, it was, yeah, but he didn't even
[01:15:47.380 --> 01:15:49.380]  back him up with questions, start
[01:15:49.380 --> 01:15:51.380]  asking us questions, I mean the detective just came
[01:15:51.380 --> 01:15:53.380]  out and even when they took my friend out
[01:15:53.380 --> 01:15:55.380]  and I went to try to bail him out, they were like, well he don't need no
[01:15:55.380 --> 01:15:57.380]  bail, he just have to answer these questions
[01:15:57.380 --> 01:15:59.380]  but the local police officer
[01:15:59.380 --> 01:16:01.380]  is not the one that initiated the stop, correct?
[01:16:01.380 --> 01:16:03.380]  the local police is the one that
[01:16:03.380 --> 01:16:05.380]  he turned on his light, but the local police
[01:16:05.380 --> 01:16:07.380]  came in front of him and took over
[01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:09.380]  because the boat was sitting, when I
[01:16:09.380 --> 01:16:11.380]  stopped, they were talking to
[01:16:11.380 --> 01:16:13.380]  each other
[01:16:13.380 --> 01:16:15.380]  but it was the Williamson County cop
[01:16:15.380 --> 01:16:17.380]  that pulled you over, yeah, who turned on his light
[01:16:17.380 --> 01:16:19.380]  first and then the Austin police
[01:16:19.380 --> 01:16:21.380]  took over, well wait a minute, who
[01:16:21.380 --> 01:16:23.380]  actually pulled you over, the Austin police
[01:16:23.380 --> 01:16:25.380]  come behind us and pull us over, but the
[01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:27.380]  Williamson detective was the one
[01:16:27.380 --> 01:16:29.380]  asking all the questions
[01:16:29.380 --> 01:16:31.380]  okay, but he's the one that turned on
[01:16:31.380 --> 01:16:33.380]  his lights first and initiated action by
[01:16:33.380 --> 01:16:35.380]  the Austin police, yes
[01:16:35.380 --> 01:16:37.380]  they were all chilling
[01:16:37.380 --> 01:16:39.380]  together though
[01:16:39.380 --> 01:16:41.380]  okay, alright listen
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[01:18:43.380 --> 01:18:45.380]  to Patterson Martin
[01:18:45.380 --> 01:18:47.380]  from Nevis, my lead singer
[01:18:47.380 --> 01:18:49.380]  my other lead singer from
[01:18:49.380 --> 01:18:51.380]  my band, and okay
[01:18:51.380 --> 01:18:53.380]  so in this segment Pat, finish telling
[01:18:53.380 --> 01:18:55.380]  your story, and then Eddie and Randy
[01:18:55.380 --> 01:18:57.380]  are going to discuss
[01:18:57.380 --> 01:18:59.380]  what you and your friends
[01:18:59.380 --> 01:19:01.380]  remedies are going to be here
[01:19:01.380 --> 01:19:03.380]  we got Pat for one more segment
[01:19:03.380 --> 01:19:05.380]  and then we'll go back to call, so go ahead Pat
[01:19:05.380 --> 01:19:07.380]  finish your story. First of all
[01:19:07.380 --> 01:19:09.380]  to have another detective
[01:19:09.380 --> 01:19:11.380]  who's looking for two people, looking for
[01:19:11.380 --> 01:19:13.380]  four people he say, driving the same
[01:19:13.380 --> 01:19:15.380]  minivan, which my minivan is a family minivan
[01:19:15.380 --> 01:19:17.380]  and to
[01:19:17.380 --> 01:19:19.380]  first of all, I tell him I was a
[01:19:19.380 --> 01:19:21.380]  servant, and I also let him know I was a citizen
[01:19:21.380 --> 01:19:23.380]  here, for this country
[01:19:23.380 --> 01:19:25.380]  here, I paid $750
[01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.380]  for it, you know
[01:19:27.380 --> 01:19:29.380]  so, he
[01:19:29.380 --> 01:19:31.380]  worked for me, I don't work for him
[01:19:31.380 --> 01:19:33.380]  and I was a grown man and he have no right to question
[01:19:33.380 --> 01:19:35.380]  me, I'm not a criminal, you know
[01:19:35.380 --> 01:19:37.380]  and he basically
[01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:39.380]  he made my friend feel like a
[01:19:39.380 --> 01:19:41.380]  terrorist, which I tell my friend don't feel like that
[01:19:41.380 --> 01:19:43.380]  because that's the way he wanted the upper hand
[01:19:43.380 --> 01:19:45.380]  he just wanted to get people mad, me
[01:19:45.380 --> 01:19:47.380]  my thing is, I fight them with paperwork like I
[01:19:47.380 --> 01:19:49.380]  told him, he worked for me, I don't work for him
[01:19:49.380 --> 01:19:51.380]  Okay, let me ask you a question here quickly
[01:19:51.380 --> 01:19:53.380]  Pat, you were the one
[01:19:53.380 --> 01:19:55.380]  that was behind the wheel, right?
[01:19:55.380 --> 01:19:57.380]  Yes, I'm the one, I think my big
[01:19:57.380 --> 01:19:59.380]  got him in trouble, so
[01:19:59.380 --> 01:20:01.380]  And y'all weren't in commerce?
[01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:03.380]  No, we were just, I was taking him to
[01:20:03.380 --> 01:20:05.380]  go pay his surcharge
[01:20:05.380 --> 01:20:07.380]  that's the whole thing, we were going to pay
[01:20:07.380 --> 01:20:09.380]  the man's surcharge
[01:20:09.380 --> 01:20:11.380]  Oh man, and we got pulled over
[01:20:11.380 --> 01:20:13.380]  going to DPS, going to
[01:20:13.380 --> 01:20:15.380]  pay the man's surcharge
[01:20:15.380 --> 01:20:17.380]  For DWB?
[01:20:17.380 --> 01:20:19.380]  Yes
[01:20:19.380 --> 01:20:21.380]  Okay, so they
[01:20:21.380 --> 01:20:23.380]  arrested your friend, later
[01:20:23.380 --> 01:20:25.380]  released him and let him go, what did they arrest him
[01:20:25.380 --> 01:20:27.380]  for? Oh, because
[01:20:27.380 --> 01:20:29.380]  he didn't pay, and his surcharge
[01:20:29.380 --> 01:20:31.380]  Well then why did they release him?
[01:20:31.380 --> 01:20:33.380]  Why did they not charge him? They let him go to go pay
[01:20:33.380 --> 01:20:35.380]  and his surcharge
[01:20:35.380 --> 01:20:37.380]  They just questioned him because
[01:20:37.380 --> 01:20:39.380]  He said, he fit the description
[01:20:39.380 --> 01:20:41.380]  of a crime that happened in
[01:20:41.380 --> 01:20:43.380]  Williams & Carney. They arrested him for not paying
[01:20:43.380 --> 01:20:45.380]  his surcharge so that they could question him?
[01:20:45.380 --> 01:20:47.380]  Yes, and let him go
[01:20:47.380 --> 01:20:49.380]  and didn't charge him with nothing
[01:20:49.380 --> 01:20:51.380]  Oh man, okay guys, what are y'all
[01:20:51.380 --> 01:20:53.380]  going to do about this?
[01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:55.380]  For Pat's friend and for Pat
[01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:57.380]  What are we going to do about it? His name is VI, let's just
[01:20:57.380 --> 01:20:59.380]  go by that. Okay, VI, what are we going to do for VI
[01:20:59.380 --> 01:21:01.380]  and Pat here, guys?
[01:21:01.380 --> 01:21:03.380]  VI needs to file a
[01:21:03.380 --> 01:21:05.380]  civil action against
[01:21:05.380 --> 01:21:07.380]  the police officers in criminal
[01:21:07.380 --> 01:21:09.380]  charges for
[01:21:09.380 --> 01:21:11.380]  aggravated assault
[01:21:11.380 --> 01:21:13.380]  aggravated kidnapping
[01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:15.380]  official oppression
[01:21:15.380 --> 01:21:17.380]  since they didn't file charges
[01:21:17.380 --> 01:21:19.380]  you can't do simulating a
[01:21:19.380 --> 01:21:21.380]  legal process. You need to sue
[01:21:21.380 --> 01:21:23.380]  the jailers
[01:21:23.380 --> 01:21:25.380]  and also file criminal charges too on the same
[01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:27.380]  thing, right Randy? Yeah
[01:21:27.380 --> 01:21:29.380]  it
[01:21:29.380 --> 01:21:31.380]  the suit, the civil suit
[01:21:31.380 --> 01:21:33.380]  is the worst thing
[01:21:33.380 --> 01:21:35.380]  because that really drives
[01:21:35.380 --> 01:21:37.380]  them crazy
[01:21:37.380 --> 01:21:39.380]  and I'm writing the suit
[01:21:39.380 --> 01:21:41.380]  if they arrested him
[01:21:41.380 --> 01:21:43.380]  I've got about 20 causes of action
[01:21:43.380 --> 01:21:45.380]  that have nothing
[01:21:45.380 --> 01:21:47.380]  to do with why they may have taken him
[01:21:47.380 --> 01:21:49.380]  or any of the details, don't have anything to do
[01:21:49.380 --> 01:21:51.380]  with any of it. But Randy, he was
[01:21:51.380 --> 01:21:53.380]  so fast he wasn't even like an arrest, he was more like a
[01:21:53.380 --> 01:21:55.380]  questioning. Doesn't matter. But they
[01:21:55.380 --> 01:21:57.380]  did arrest him. Unquestioned him
[01:21:57.380 --> 01:21:59.380]  Could he walk away?
[01:21:59.380 --> 01:22:01.380]  Yes, they let him go
[01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:03.380]  No, no, no, but he couldn't walk away
[01:22:03.380 --> 01:22:05.380]  Oh no, he didn't come home with me
[01:22:05.380 --> 01:22:07.380]  Did they take him to jail? They took him to jail
[01:22:07.380 --> 01:22:09.380]  I had to go downtown and get him
[01:22:09.380 --> 01:22:11.380]  To 11 and
[01:22:11.380 --> 01:22:13.380]  Guadalupe, I know exactly where the place is
[01:22:13.380 --> 01:22:15.380]  Look, they kidnapped him
[01:22:15.380 --> 01:22:17.380]  20 causes of action. They kidnapped him
[01:22:17.380 --> 01:22:19.380]  You know? The policemen
[01:22:19.380 --> 01:22:21.380]  who arrested him committed aggravated
[01:22:21.380 --> 01:22:23.380]  assault
[01:22:23.380 --> 01:22:25.380]  Now, did you beat the crap out of any of those policemen?
[01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:27.380]  Me? No, man, I just verbally
[01:22:27.380 --> 01:22:29.380]  Why not? I was going to verbally
[01:22:29.380 --> 01:22:31.380]  assault them, but I know that's a crime
[01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:33.380]  Why didn't you beat the crap out of them?
[01:22:33.380 --> 01:22:35.380]  No, you can't do that no more, man, because
[01:22:35.380 --> 01:22:37.380]  I know how to deal with them now, Randy
[01:22:37.380 --> 01:22:39.380]  Wait a minute, they got pistols
[01:22:39.380 --> 01:22:41.380]  Right, then we depend on the paper
[01:22:41.380 --> 01:22:43.380]  Wait, hold on, hold on, Randy has a point he's trying to make here
[01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:45.380]  They got pistols
[01:22:45.380 --> 01:22:47.380]  Yeah, well, I got pistols
[01:22:47.380 --> 01:22:49.380]  You can't beat the crap out of them because they got pistols
[01:22:49.380 --> 01:22:51.380]  Yeah, because they have guns
[01:22:51.380 --> 01:22:53.380]  And that makes their action frustrating
[01:22:53.380 --> 01:22:55.380]  Wait, wait, wait, hold on, Pat
[01:22:55.380 --> 01:22:57.380]  He's trying to explain why it's aggravated
[01:22:57.380 --> 01:22:59.380]  assault and aggravated kidnapping
[01:22:59.380 --> 01:23:01.380]  It's more of a crime what they did because they had guns
[01:23:01.380 --> 01:23:03.380]  If a public official
[01:23:03.380 --> 01:23:05.380]  commits
[01:23:05.380 --> 01:23:07.380]  simple assault
[01:23:07.380 --> 01:23:09.380]  and offensive touching
[01:23:09.380 --> 01:23:11.380]  touching in a way
[01:23:11.380 --> 01:23:13.380]  that an ordinary person would consider
[01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:15.380]  offensive
[01:23:15.380 --> 01:23:17.380]  and does so without
[01:23:17.380 --> 01:23:19.380]  legal authority
[01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:21.380]  while displaying a deadly weapon
[01:23:21.380 --> 01:23:23.380]  that's a first degree
[01:23:23.380 --> 01:23:25.380]  felony
[01:23:25.380 --> 01:23:27.380]  You can get life in prison for that
[01:23:29.380 --> 01:23:31.380]  He's got them
[01:23:31.380 --> 01:23:33.380]  Now, what about Pat?
[01:23:33.380 --> 01:23:35.380]  What kind of charges and lawsuits is Pat
[01:23:35.380 --> 01:23:37.380]  going to file?
[01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:39.380]  How long did they hold you, Pat?
[01:23:39.380 --> 01:23:41.380]  They didn't arrest me, they didn't even touch me
[01:23:41.380 --> 01:23:43.380]  No, wait a minute, Pat, you got to understand
[01:23:43.380 --> 01:23:45.380]  When you get pulled over
[01:23:45.380 --> 01:23:47.380]  you're being detained
[01:23:47.380 --> 01:23:49.380]  How long were you personally detained
[01:23:49.380 --> 01:23:51.380]  We were there for about an hour and a half
[01:23:51.380 --> 01:23:53.380]  on the side of the road
[01:23:53.380 --> 01:23:55.380]  Okay, here's the deal, Travizat v Florida
[01:23:55.380 --> 01:23:57.380]  Florida v Travizat
[01:23:57.380 --> 01:23:59.380]  Travizat is held for
[01:23:59.380 --> 01:24:01.380]  what was it, Eddie, 23 minutes?
[01:24:01.380 --> 01:24:03.380]  23 minutes at an average value
[01:24:03.380 --> 01:24:05.380]  if you want to know that
[01:24:05.380 --> 01:24:07.380]  You got $36,000 that averages out
[01:24:07.380 --> 01:24:09.380]  to like $70,000
[01:24:09.380 --> 01:24:11.380]  You got $25,000
[01:24:11.380 --> 01:24:13.380]  It was right at $1,023 per minute
[01:24:13.380 --> 01:24:15.380]  plus some extra
[01:24:15.380 --> 01:24:17.380]  Okay, so you were held for an hour and a half
[01:24:17.380 --> 01:24:19.380]  and since the
[01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:21.380]  That's $90,000, Pat
[01:24:21.380 --> 01:24:23.380]  The jury in Florida
[01:24:23.380 --> 01:24:25.380]  considered
[01:24:25.380 --> 01:24:27.380]  that 23 minutes was worth
[01:24:27.380 --> 01:24:29.380]  $30,000
[01:24:29.380 --> 01:24:31.380]  That's precedent for asking
[01:24:31.380 --> 01:24:33.380]  for that amount for whatever time
[01:24:33.380 --> 01:24:35.380]  Okay, so if it's $30,000
[01:24:35.380 --> 01:24:37.380]  for every 20 minutes
[01:24:37.380 --> 01:24:39.380]  then that's $90,000
[01:24:39.380 --> 01:24:41.380]  for one hour plus another
[01:24:41.380 --> 01:24:43.380]  30, okay, maybe
[01:24:43.380 --> 01:24:45.380]  40, so you're looking at
[01:24:45.380 --> 01:24:47.380]  Pat, you can sue both of those
[01:24:47.380 --> 01:24:49.380]  cops for $130,000
[01:24:49.380 --> 01:24:51.380]  a piece, right, Randy?
[01:24:51.380 --> 01:24:53.380]  Wait now, there's something else to consider here
[01:24:53.380 --> 01:24:55.380]  In Travizat, they actually locked
[01:24:55.380 --> 01:24:57.380]  him in a jail cell for 23 minutes
[01:24:57.380 --> 01:24:59.380]  That's where that came from
[01:24:59.380 --> 01:25:01.380]  So it's really only $1,000
[01:25:01.380 --> 01:25:03.380]  Makes no difference
[01:25:03.380 --> 01:25:05.380]  Detainment is detainment
[01:25:05.380 --> 01:25:07.380]  They place you under arrest in Texas before
[01:25:07.380 --> 01:25:09.380]  they do anything else if they're following statutes
[01:25:09.380 --> 01:25:11.380]  I just felt like a terrorist
[01:25:11.380 --> 01:25:13.380]  Well, you can still ask for that amount of money
[01:25:13.380 --> 01:25:15.380]  citing those cases, and if they want to give
[01:25:15.380 --> 01:25:17.380]  you less, then they'll give you less, but
[01:25:17.380 --> 01:25:19.380]  Sure
[01:25:19.380 --> 01:25:21.380]  Is that what you would ask for, Randy?
[01:25:21.380 --> 01:25:23.380]  Can you also ask for punitive damages and
[01:25:23.380 --> 01:25:25.380]  things like this?
[01:25:25.380 --> 01:25:27.380]  Yes, in this case, since they had no
[01:25:27.380 --> 01:25:29.380]  subject matter jurisdiction or had no
[01:25:29.380 --> 01:25:31.380]  authority, absolutely you can ask for
[01:25:31.380 --> 01:25:33.380]  And no probable cause, that's why, Pat, you need to get
[01:25:33.380 --> 01:25:35.380]  the video
[01:25:35.380 --> 01:25:37.380]  You need to get the video from the cop
[01:25:37.380 --> 01:25:39.380]  You need to do a records request to
[01:25:39.380 --> 01:25:41.380]  get that video to prove that they had
[01:25:41.380 --> 01:25:43.380]  no probable cause to pull you over in the first
[01:25:43.380 --> 01:25:45.380]  place
[01:25:45.380 --> 01:25:47.380]  Wait a minute, Pat is a
[01:25:47.380 --> 01:25:49.380]  terrorist
[01:25:49.380 --> 01:25:51.380]  Every time he comes around, I get in
[01:25:51.380 --> 01:25:53.380]  terror of all my good boots
[01:25:53.380 --> 01:25:55.380]  But you know what, Randy? They make me
[01:25:55.380 --> 01:25:57.380]  feel like a terrorist, but I had to turn it back
[01:25:57.380 --> 01:25:59.380]  around on them and tell them, look, any man who
[01:25:59.380 --> 01:26:01.380]  take an oath to swear to arrest his own mom
[01:26:01.380 --> 01:26:03.380]  is a terrorist, okay?
[01:26:03.380 --> 01:26:05.380]  And that's what they did
[01:26:05.380 --> 01:26:07.380]  Pat, you're a father
[01:26:07.380 --> 01:26:09.380]  And that's important
[01:26:09.380 --> 01:26:11.380]  So, I mean, these guys here
[01:26:11.380 --> 01:26:13.380]  just didn't
[01:26:13.380 --> 01:26:15.380]  They didn't follow no law, Randy, they were just
[01:26:15.380 --> 01:26:17.380]  abusive, just start
[01:26:17.380 --> 01:26:19.380]  questioning us, I was like, am I under arrest?
[01:26:19.380 --> 01:26:21.380]  Because I don't have to answer nothing
[01:26:21.380 --> 01:26:23.380]  You know, the whole thing was, well
[01:26:23.380 --> 01:26:25.380]  this van looked like the description of a van
[01:26:25.380 --> 01:26:27.380]  that did something in Williamson County, and I'm like
[01:26:27.380 --> 01:26:29.380]  I live in Travis County
[01:26:29.380 --> 01:26:31.380]  Right, that's the thing
[01:26:31.380 --> 01:26:33.380]  If you go after them
[01:26:33.380 --> 01:26:35.380]  If you kick them in their
[01:26:35.380 --> 01:26:37.380]  legal teeth
[01:26:37.380 --> 01:26:39.380]  your van will be put on
[01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:41.380]  a list, and when a
[01:26:41.380 --> 01:26:43.380]  policeman pulls behind you
[01:26:43.380 --> 01:26:45.380]  and reads your license plate, this list
[01:26:45.380 --> 01:26:47.380]  will come up, and he will tell
[01:26:47.380 --> 01:26:49.380]  him, leave that no
[01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:51.380]  good SOB alone
[01:26:51.380 --> 01:26:53.380]  That's what I want
[01:26:53.380 --> 01:26:55.380]  When the
[01:26:55.380 --> 01:26:57.380]  government fears
[01:26:57.380 --> 01:26:59.380]  the people
[01:26:59.380 --> 01:27:01.380]  there is liberty
[01:27:01.380 --> 01:27:03.380]  Now, there is another thing to consider
[01:27:03.380 --> 01:27:05.380]  here that when we request that video
[01:27:05.380 --> 01:27:07.380]  we wish to see the copy
[01:27:07.380 --> 01:27:09.380]  of the police report naming
[01:27:09.380 --> 01:27:11.380]  the description of the van that was
[01:27:11.380 --> 01:27:13.380]  allegedly met by Pats
[01:27:13.380 --> 01:27:15.380]  that gave them their alleged probable cause
[01:27:15.380 --> 01:27:17.380]  When they cannot produce
[01:27:17.380 --> 01:27:19.380]  said report, that will validate
[01:27:19.380 --> 01:27:21.380]  the fact that they pulled you over with
[01:27:21.380 --> 01:27:23.380]  absolutely no probable cause
[01:27:23.380 --> 01:27:25.380]  And we also want to see the list of
[01:27:25.380 --> 01:27:27.380]  the people that they
[01:27:27.380 --> 01:27:29.380]  claim that VI
[01:27:29.380 --> 01:27:31.380]  looked similar to
[01:27:31.380 --> 01:27:33.380]  that they were after
[01:27:33.380 --> 01:27:35.380]  That complaint
[01:27:35.380 --> 01:27:37.380]  will have that, that complaint will have
[01:27:37.380 --> 01:27:39.380]  the description of the individual, it should have
[01:27:39.380 --> 01:27:41.380]  the description of the vehicle, it should have
[01:27:41.380 --> 01:27:43.380]  all that information, when they can't
[01:27:43.380 --> 01:27:45.380]  produce it and make it match up to
[01:27:45.380 --> 01:27:47.380]  Pats information, they've
[01:27:47.380 --> 01:27:49.380]  got a problem
[01:27:49.380 --> 01:27:51.380]  Then we go to aggravated perjury,
[01:27:51.380 --> 01:27:53.380]  malicious prosecution
[01:27:53.380 --> 01:27:55.380]  And those are all
[01:27:55.380 --> 01:27:57.380]  causes of action to sue over
[01:27:57.380 --> 01:27:59.380]  on top of
[01:27:59.380 --> 01:28:01.380]  the $1000
[01:28:01.380 --> 01:28:03.380]  a minute for being unlawfully
[01:28:03.380 --> 01:28:05.380]  detained, you can get
[01:28:05.380 --> 01:28:07.380]  additional money for all those
[01:28:07.380 --> 01:28:09.380]  other things too
[01:28:09.380 --> 01:28:11.380]  We did it to lunch time, it was my lunch break
[01:28:11.380 --> 01:28:13.380]  I was taking a man during my lunch break, we never
[01:28:13.380 --> 01:28:15.380]  made it back to work
[01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:17.380]  Who knows how much, $500,000
[01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:19.380]  we may be able to cook up to sue
[01:28:19.380 --> 01:28:21.380]  for these people
[01:28:21.380 --> 01:28:23.380]  I don't even care about the money
[01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:25.380]  It's not about the money
[01:28:25.380 --> 01:28:27.380]  My thing is, you know what it really pisses me off
[01:28:27.380 --> 01:28:29.380]  Is the way how they treat us, like we were two black
[01:28:29.380 --> 01:28:31.380]  terrorists, with the description of criminal
[01:28:31.380 --> 01:28:33.380]  When we work in people, I got a family I support
[01:28:33.380 --> 01:28:35.380]  I just felt really
[01:28:35.380 --> 01:28:37.380]  I felt like I told them
[01:28:37.380 --> 01:28:39.380]  I'm a sovereign, you know what I'm saying
[01:28:39.380 --> 01:28:41.380]  And I start handling them in my way
[01:28:41.380 --> 01:28:43.380]  Believe me Pat
[01:28:43.380 --> 01:28:45.380]  I'll tell you right now
[01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:47.380]  The way they're getting right now, we're all black
[01:28:47.380 --> 01:28:49.380]  terrorists, they will treat us all the same
[01:28:49.380 --> 01:28:51.380]  if they feel they can get away with it
[01:28:51.380 --> 01:28:53.380]  and we let them
[01:28:53.380 --> 01:28:55.380]  They want to question you on the side of the road
[01:28:55.380 --> 01:28:57.380]  They might want to question me, the detective
[01:28:57.380 --> 01:28:59.380]  want to ask me a question on the side of the road
[01:28:59.380 --> 01:29:01.380]  And you were late to get back to work, so that's more
[01:29:01.380 --> 01:29:03.380]  I didn't even make it back, I had to go try to get my friend out of jail
[01:29:03.380 --> 01:29:05.380]  They didn't even let me bail him out
[01:29:05.380 --> 01:29:07.380]  When I first met Pat, he was
[01:29:07.380 --> 01:29:09.380]  single and free
[01:29:09.380 --> 01:29:11.380]  and wild and hairy
[01:29:11.380 --> 01:29:13.380]  Yeah, and then the Lord blessed me with beautiful kids
[01:29:13.380 --> 01:29:15.380]  Now he's one of us
[01:29:15.380 --> 01:29:17.380]  Yes, a family man
[01:29:17.380 --> 01:29:19.380]  that's being harassed by the government
[01:29:19.380 --> 01:29:21.380]  This isn't about you, Pat
[01:29:21.380 --> 01:29:23.380]  This is not about you
[01:29:23.380 --> 01:29:25.380]  How would you feel if they did that to
[01:29:25.380 --> 01:29:27.380]  one of your children
[01:29:27.380 --> 01:29:29.380]  Well, Randy, first of all
[01:29:29.380 --> 01:29:31.380]  my kids is going to be like Annie Oakley
[01:29:31.380 --> 01:29:33.380]  and
[01:29:35.380 --> 01:29:37.380]  If you don't hit their butt
[01:29:37.380 --> 01:29:39.380]  they may do this to your children
[01:29:39.380 --> 01:29:41.380]  Oh my God
[01:29:41.380 --> 01:29:43.380]  I live in a ranch, people
[01:29:43.380 --> 01:29:45.380]  Listen, Pat, can you stay with us for a few more minutes
[01:29:45.380 --> 01:29:47.380]  Okay, listen, callers
[01:29:47.380 --> 01:29:49.380]  T, Debbie Todd, I'm sorry to put you guys off
[01:29:49.380 --> 01:29:51.380]  but this is a very special occasion
[01:29:51.380 --> 01:29:53.380]  Pat's a family man, we hardly ever see him anymore
[01:29:53.380 --> 01:29:55.380]  so we want to finish this story
[01:29:55.380 --> 01:29:57.380]  We'll get to your calls as soon as possible
[01:29:57.380 --> 01:29:59.380]  We'll be right back
[01:29:59.380 --> 01:30:01.380]  Boy, that dinner sure
[01:30:01.380 --> 01:30:03.380]  was swell, wasn't it, darling
[01:30:03.380 --> 01:30:05.380]  Yeah, it was pretty good
[01:30:05.380 --> 01:30:07.380]  Oh, great, it's the police
[01:30:07.380 --> 01:30:09.380]  Just calm down, honey
[01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:11.380]  Just do what they say
[01:30:11.380 --> 01:30:13.380]  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[01:30:13.380 --> 01:30:15.380]  It is I
[01:30:15.380 --> 01:30:17.380]  Arda Cepeda
[01:30:17.380 --> 01:30:19.380]  I want to bring you round
[01:30:19.380 --> 01:30:21.380]  Bring you round
[01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:23.380]  Vampire cops got you down
[01:30:23.380 --> 01:30:25.380]  Then join Texans for Accountable Government
[01:30:25.380 --> 01:30:27.380]  on Halloween at 8 p.m. at the corner of
[01:30:27.380 --> 01:30:29.380]  South First and Barton Springs Road
[01:30:29.380 --> 01:30:31.380]  as we hold a press conference and we protest
[01:30:31.380 --> 01:30:33.380]  non-consensual blood withdrawals
[01:30:33.380 --> 01:30:35.380]  Later that night at 10 p.m. we'll be
[01:30:35.380 --> 01:30:37.380]  at Elysium, located at 705 Red River Street
[01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:39.380]  Tell the bouncer you're with Texans
[01:30:39.380 --> 01:30:41.380]  for Accountable Government
[01:30:41.380 --> 01:30:43.380]  and the $5 cover charge will go to
[01:30:43.380 --> 01:30:45.380]  Support Square Patrol, a local non-profit
[01:30:45.380 --> 01:30:47.380]  which offers sober rides home
[01:30:47.380 --> 01:30:49.380]  Again, join us at 8 p.m.
[01:30:49.380 --> 01:30:51.380]  on the corner of South First and Barton Springs
[01:30:51.380 --> 01:30:53.380]  Go to TagTexas.org
[01:30:53.380 --> 01:30:55.380]  for more info
[01:30:55.380 --> 01:31:05.380]  from Boston Don't Drink and Drive
[01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:31.380]  Don't drink and drive
[01:31:55.380 --> 01:31:58.220]  All right.
[01:31:58.220 --> 01:32:03.420]  They want to chip us with the RFID.
[01:32:03.420 --> 01:32:04.580]  We got to fight for this.
[01:32:04.580 --> 01:32:07.020]  We got to fight against them for this.
[01:32:07.020 --> 01:32:08.020]  Okay.
[01:32:08.020 --> 01:32:11.460]  Pat has agreed to stay with us for a few more minutes.
[01:32:11.460 --> 01:32:13.900]  He does have to go pretty soon though because he is a family man.
[01:32:13.900 --> 01:32:17.780]  He's got to get back to his Lickle Pickney as they say down in the Caribbean.
[01:32:17.780 --> 01:32:18.780]  That's their patois.
[01:32:18.780 --> 01:32:19.780]  Yes.
[01:32:19.780 --> 01:32:22.220]  Pickney my way upon me, big daddy.
[01:32:22.220 --> 01:32:23.620]  They wear upon him.
[01:32:23.620 --> 01:32:24.620]  They wear him down.
[01:32:24.620 --> 01:32:25.620]  Children.
[01:32:25.620 --> 01:32:26.620]  Oh yes, mom.
[01:32:26.620 --> 01:32:27.620]  Okay.
[01:32:27.620 --> 01:32:32.500]  So Pat just informed us on the break that they turned his vehicle inside out with a
[01:32:32.500 --> 01:32:33.500]  search.
[01:32:33.500 --> 01:32:37.060]  So Pat, why don't you tell us about that part or Randy, did you want to talk about something
[01:32:37.060 --> 01:32:38.060]  first?
[01:32:38.060 --> 01:32:39.060]  Yes.
[01:32:39.060 --> 01:32:43.980]  On the break, listening to Pat, now I know why they stopped him and did all this to him.
[01:32:43.980 --> 01:32:44.980]  Because he's DWB?
[01:32:44.980 --> 01:32:45.980]  No.
[01:32:45.980 --> 01:32:49.900]  He was guilty of the crime of being a Negro.
[01:32:49.900 --> 01:32:52.260]  That's DWB, driving while black.
[01:32:52.260 --> 01:32:53.260]  That's right.
[01:32:53.260 --> 01:32:54.260]  Okay.
[01:32:54.260 --> 01:32:55.260]  Okay.
[01:32:55.260 --> 01:32:56.260]  So go ahead.
[01:32:56.260 --> 01:32:57.260]  All right.
[01:32:57.260 --> 01:32:58.980]  Go ahead, Pat.
[01:32:58.980 --> 01:33:00.940]  Tell us about the window.
[01:33:00.940 --> 01:33:03.180]  Did they search you at the beginning or what?
[01:33:03.180 --> 01:33:04.180]  No.
[01:33:04.180 --> 01:33:07.740]  That's after they already done have me and my friend there for a couple of minutes.
[01:33:07.740 --> 01:33:11.060]  They run his driver's license, you know, and it came back good.
[01:33:11.060 --> 01:33:12.060]  Then the guy run it again.
[01:33:12.060 --> 01:33:14.860]  Then he came back with these two warrants.
[01:33:14.860 --> 01:33:15.860]  Then you know.
[01:33:15.860 --> 01:33:16.860]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:33:16.860 --> 01:33:22.380]  They ran his driver's license once and it came clean and they ran his license again
[01:33:22.380 --> 01:33:24.020]  and came back with two warrants.
[01:33:24.020 --> 01:33:25.020]  That doesn't make any sense.
[01:33:25.020 --> 01:33:26.020]  Yeah.
[01:33:26.020 --> 01:33:27.020]  Yes, it does.
[01:33:27.020 --> 01:33:28.020]  If they're setting him up.
[01:33:28.020 --> 01:33:29.020]  What's that?
[01:33:29.020 --> 01:33:30.020]  What's that, Eddie?
[01:33:30.020 --> 01:33:31.020]  It does.
[01:33:31.020 --> 01:33:32.020]  If they're setting him up for a search.
[01:33:32.020 --> 01:33:33.020]  Yes.
[01:33:33.020 --> 01:33:37.020]  And not only for a search and for questioning, that's the whole thing was.
[01:33:37.020 --> 01:33:42.300]  It was a questioning thing for Williamson detective, these two Austin police participate
[01:33:42.300 --> 01:33:47.700]  to pull over two black guys to question him about a robbery was done by two black American
[01:33:47.700 --> 01:33:50.380]  guys with no Island accent.
[01:33:50.380 --> 01:33:53.660]  Because first of all, the guy admit that the guys didn't have accent.
[01:33:53.660 --> 01:33:54.900]  We got accent.
[01:33:54.900 --> 01:33:55.900]  You know, we tried to use it.
[01:33:55.900 --> 01:34:01.420]  And then they still tried to say that they were doing all this under the guys that y'all
[01:34:01.420 --> 01:34:08.100]  resembled the perps and they admitted to you on the side of the road that they admitted
[01:34:08.100 --> 01:34:12.620]  to my friend in questioning in the jail that they didn't have accents.
[01:34:12.620 --> 01:34:13.620]  Oh my God.
[01:34:13.620 --> 01:34:18.220]  That they were black Americans, not Caribbean, not Caribbean nationals.
[01:34:18.220 --> 01:34:19.220]  No.
[01:34:19.220 --> 01:34:20.940]  Both of y'all are here on green cards and stuff.
[01:34:20.940 --> 01:34:22.600]  Well, we, I'm a citizen now.
[01:34:22.600 --> 01:34:24.660]  So he, he's born in the Virgin islands.
[01:34:24.660 --> 01:34:25.660]  So he's a citizen.
[01:34:25.660 --> 01:34:32.560]  And you're in, well, you, you came here originally on a green card and a visa and then you became
[01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:33.820]  a naturalized citizen.
[01:34:33.820 --> 01:34:34.820]  $750.
[01:34:34.820 --> 01:34:35.820]  Yeah.
[01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:37.980]  Well, it was money very poorly spent.
[01:34:37.980 --> 01:34:41.380]  I promise you that anyway, anyway, go ahead.
[01:34:41.380 --> 01:34:42.380]  Finish your story.
[01:34:42.380 --> 01:34:48.100]  So they searched the van looking for, for whatever that we like to do.
[01:34:48.100 --> 01:34:53.820]  And my friend told him, well, we cleaned the van before and we don't have none in the van,
[01:34:53.820 --> 01:34:59.180]  but we, we have it in our body because we already done did it, but there was no evidence
[01:34:59.180 --> 01:35:03.700]  in the car, you know, cause we had the car smelling like cologne.
[01:35:03.700 --> 01:35:06.860]  So I mean, there was, it wasn't even about that.
[01:35:06.860 --> 01:35:10.660]  It was just about to question us about what happened in Williamson County.
[01:35:10.660 --> 01:35:17.240]  And I, I really think that is unfair for a detective to coerce with two Aston cap to
[01:35:17.240 --> 01:35:20.660]  pull over two black guys in the minivan for questioning about a crime that happened in
[01:35:20.660 --> 01:35:21.660]  Williamson County.
[01:35:21.660 --> 01:35:25.740]  And they knew the whole time that it couldn't have possibly been you guys because they didn't
[01:35:25.740 --> 01:35:26.740]  have accents.
[01:35:26.740 --> 01:35:27.840]  The guys they were looking for.
[01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:30.140]  So why did they take your friend down in the first place?
[01:35:30.140 --> 01:35:35.220]  Because they questioned him some more when they got down there about where he was and
[01:35:35.220 --> 01:35:42.900]  sat there, the crime and who he was and he, they even asked him more about me and who
[01:35:42.900 --> 01:35:48.420]  he worked for, where he live, who could vouch for him.
[01:35:48.420 --> 01:35:51.900]  He had to have his girl, they had to call, they call his girlfriend to vouch that he
[01:35:51.900 --> 01:35:54.180]  was with him Saturday to let him go.
[01:35:54.180 --> 01:35:59.420]  She said that they let him go, but they knew it couldn't have possibly been him because
[01:35:59.420 --> 01:36:00.420]  he had an accent.
[01:36:00.420 --> 01:36:04.700]  Well, the thing is they could always say that they were faking that part of it the whole
[01:36:04.700 --> 01:36:05.700]  time.
[01:36:05.700 --> 01:36:06.700]  That part's irrelevant.
[01:36:06.700 --> 01:36:10.580]  Pat has a lot of gall driving around black.
[01:36:10.580 --> 01:36:11.580]  I know.
[01:36:11.580 --> 01:36:16.340]  I was trying to jump in hot water and get a little tan, but it was too hot.
[01:36:16.340 --> 01:36:18.700]  You really need to kick their behind.
[01:36:18.700 --> 01:36:23.380]  Randy, man, these people, I would like the public out there to know, man, officers don't
[01:36:23.380 --> 01:36:25.260]  really care about nobody.
[01:36:25.260 --> 01:36:30.700]  But that's because nobody's making them care and that's why we're here to help people make
[01:36:30.700 --> 01:36:31.700]  them care.
[01:36:31.700 --> 01:36:35.580]  That's what's going to make them good public servants again instead of a-holes.
[01:36:35.580 --> 01:36:39.340]  Yeah, Pat, you really need to kick, you and V.I. really need to kick their butts and we'll
[01:36:39.340 --> 01:36:41.940]  help you and then we need to write a song about it.
[01:36:41.940 --> 01:36:47.900]  I got a song coming for them anyway because- You pulled me over and now I own your house?
[01:36:47.900 --> 01:36:48.900]  Yeah.
[01:36:48.900 --> 01:36:53.420]  But the only thing is, man, I would like you guys to know, man, they just shot a kid in
[01:36:53.420 --> 01:37:00.620]  Austin, a black kid, for sleeping in his Cadillac in front of his apartment and there's a lot
[01:37:00.620 --> 01:37:01.620]  of things.
[01:37:01.620 --> 01:37:07.620]  I mean, the crime rate of black people getting killed in Austin by cops is so high that it's
[01:37:07.620 --> 01:37:11.580]  not even funny, man.
[01:37:11.580 --> 01:37:12.740]  It's not even happening, man.
[01:37:12.740 --> 01:37:19.580]  My thing is, I got the right to protect myself that I went and got my papers for and the
[01:37:19.580 --> 01:37:25.340]  right to bear arms like the Constitution say and I'm a father of the Constitution, I'll
[01:37:25.340 --> 01:37:30.460]  the bush already rip it up and throw it away, but I'm going to still follow it anyway.
[01:37:30.460 --> 01:37:33.060]  Pat, what did they do?
[01:37:33.060 --> 01:37:34.580]  How long did it take them to search your car?
[01:37:34.580 --> 01:37:36.460]  Did they throw everything out on the side of the road?
[01:37:36.460 --> 01:37:37.620]  I didn't just dig through my car.
[01:37:37.620 --> 01:37:38.620]  I had nothing in my car.
[01:37:38.620 --> 01:37:39.620]  I'm a family man.
[01:37:39.620 --> 01:37:40.620]  That's my family car.
[01:37:40.620 --> 01:37:41.620]  I'm not that stupid.
[01:37:41.620 --> 01:37:42.620]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:37:42.620 --> 01:37:43.980]  I know when I drive on the road how to drive.
[01:37:43.980 --> 01:37:44.980]  I drive carefully.
[01:37:44.980 --> 01:37:46.860]  I don't take nothing with me.
[01:37:46.860 --> 01:37:47.860]  I do it.
[01:37:47.860 --> 01:37:49.340]  I go buy it and I take it home and do it.
[01:37:49.340 --> 01:37:51.500]  Well, see, this is the other thing.
[01:37:51.500 --> 01:37:53.140]  Y'all weren't engaged in commerce anyway.
[01:37:53.140 --> 01:37:54.780]  Well, that's the whole thing.
[01:37:54.780 --> 01:37:59.940]  The thing is that like both me and him saying is they tried to make us feel like terrorists,
[01:37:59.940 --> 01:38:00.940]  like we were criminals.
[01:38:00.940 --> 01:38:08.700]  You know, they were the judge, the prosecutor, and the jury at the same time on the side
[01:38:08.700 --> 01:38:09.700]  of the road.
[01:38:09.700 --> 01:38:15.660]  Pat, was the Williamson County cop questioning your friend at the Travis County jail?
[01:38:15.660 --> 01:38:16.660]  That's right.
[01:38:16.660 --> 01:38:18.660]  How do you know that's where he went down?
[01:38:18.660 --> 01:38:21.140]  Randy, they don't have authority to do that, do they?
[01:38:21.140 --> 01:38:22.140]  Well, they can.
[01:38:22.140 --> 01:38:28.500]  If he's the investigating officer for the crime in Williamson County, he can.
[01:38:28.500 --> 01:38:30.220]  That's not the issue.
[01:38:30.220 --> 01:38:32.500]  The issue is driving black.
[01:38:32.500 --> 01:38:36.100]  It's actually, it's very true.
[01:38:36.100 --> 01:38:37.100]  It's profiling.
[01:38:37.100 --> 01:38:38.100]  It's profiling.
[01:38:38.100 --> 01:38:44.380]  For anybody who doesn't realize how bad that stinks, just find a black friend and get in
[01:38:44.380 --> 01:38:48.740]  the car with him and sit in the back seat and lay down and let him drive around and
[01:38:48.740 --> 01:38:50.260]  see how you feel.
[01:38:50.260 --> 01:38:57.300]  Jerry has been pulled over, my husband, for profiling as well when he drives around the
[01:38:57.300 --> 01:39:01.620]  van that's the band van that we have when we go on tour.
[01:39:01.620 --> 01:39:07.300]  He's got long hair and he was driving the van and Jerry knows for sure it was profiling.
[01:39:07.300 --> 01:39:09.260]  And same kind of thing.
[01:39:09.260 --> 01:39:12.620]  They use this excuse that he ran a stop sign and he didn't.
[01:39:12.620 --> 01:39:16.980]  He came to a complete stop and even stayed at the stop sign for like more than a second.
[01:39:16.980 --> 01:39:17.980]  Okay?
[01:39:17.980 --> 01:39:21.340]  And same thing, profiling, because he has a big van and long hair and that's why he
[01:39:21.340 --> 01:39:22.340]  got pulled over.
[01:39:22.340 --> 01:39:23.660]  So see, it even happens to white people.
[01:39:23.660 --> 01:39:25.460]  And you know what?
[01:39:25.460 --> 01:39:28.220]  Yeah, if you look like a hippie, you have a problem.
[01:39:28.220 --> 01:39:31.260]  If you are black, if you're black, you have a problem.
[01:39:31.260 --> 01:39:35.700]  If you have bumper stickers, they instruct the police to pull you over.
[01:39:35.700 --> 01:39:37.180]  That's in the Mayak report.
[01:39:37.180 --> 01:39:42.540]  People that have bumper stickers promoting Ron Paul, or the constitution.
[01:39:42.540 --> 01:39:45.060]  People are afraid to put bumper stickers on their car anymore.
[01:39:45.060 --> 01:39:47.220]  Well, not us.
[01:39:47.220 --> 01:39:52.940]  Anybody who thinks this is not such a great problem, about 40 years ago, I read a book.
[01:39:52.940 --> 01:39:53.980]  You should go find it.
[01:39:53.980 --> 01:39:57.100]  It's called Black Like Me.
[01:39:57.100 --> 01:40:05.820]  This was a white guy who, there was some chemical he was able to take that would increase the
[01:40:05.820 --> 01:40:10.500]  pigment in his skin and he went to Mississippi.
[01:40:10.500 --> 01:40:11.500]  He's a white guy.
[01:40:11.500 --> 01:40:12.700]  He just looks black.
[01:40:12.700 --> 01:40:18.260]  And he explained in this book, he talked about his experience.
[01:40:18.260 --> 01:40:21.540]  And if you read that book, your whole perspective will change.
[01:40:21.540 --> 01:40:25.460]  Randy, I got a white friend of mine that me and him hang out, he was in a car with three
[01:40:25.460 --> 01:40:30.180]  black guys, me and three other guys, and the cop pulled him out of the car and say, why
[01:40:30.180 --> 01:40:32.220]  are you hanging with those niggas and beat him up?
[01:40:32.220 --> 01:40:36.500]  So what you talking about?
[01:40:36.500 --> 01:40:37.500]  This crap's gotta stop.
[01:40:37.500 --> 01:40:45.100]  He got beat up by a white cop for hanging with some niggas.
[01:40:45.100 --> 01:40:50.140]  Just for all the radio audience, Pat's a black, so he can use that term.
[01:40:50.140 --> 01:40:53.220]  Oh, sorry, sorry out there, radio audience, but you know.
[01:40:53.220 --> 01:40:54.220]  Well, you know what?
[01:40:54.220 --> 01:40:56.460]  They treat us all like niggas right about now.
[01:40:56.460 --> 01:40:57.460]  We all are.
[01:40:57.460 --> 01:40:58.460]  That's what we're telling everybody.
[01:40:58.460 --> 01:40:59.460]  We all are.
[01:40:59.460 --> 01:41:00.460]  Yeah.
[01:41:00.460 --> 01:41:01.460]  It's no different.
[01:41:01.460 --> 01:41:08.980]  But this guy, this kid got beat up for hanging with three black guys and we just, we couldn't
[01:41:08.980 --> 01:41:09.980]  help him.
[01:41:09.980 --> 01:41:15.940]  Eddie and I are developing the tools and Deborah are developing the tools that we can put in
[01:41:15.940 --> 01:41:22.980]  the hand of any, put in anyone's hand because when you file documents in court, you do it
[01:41:22.980 --> 01:41:26.180]  through the mail so they can't see what color you are.
[01:41:26.180 --> 01:41:30.700]  Oh, and that's good because I got a white name anyway.
[01:41:30.700 --> 01:41:33.260]  I'm the guy with the two last names.
[01:41:33.260 --> 01:41:36.260]  Oh my goodness.
[01:41:36.260 --> 01:41:44.300]  The police are getting out of hand and if you're a white person and you have any question
[01:41:44.300 --> 01:41:49.740]  about where this is going, just go sit in a car with a couple of black guys for a while
[01:41:49.740 --> 01:41:50.980]  and you'll figure out where it's going.
[01:41:50.980 --> 01:41:52.740]  And they don't do it to the Mexicans either.
[01:41:52.740 --> 01:41:57.340]  I'll have to say that they, because they, they just assume that you're an illegal alien
[01:41:57.340 --> 01:42:02.340]  if you're Mexican and if, and the way that the legislation is going and the instruction,
[01:42:02.340 --> 01:42:06.820]  the policy under which they're operating right now, illegal aliens have carte blanche.
[01:42:06.820 --> 01:42:14.460]  You have, you have more rights in this country right now and especially in South, Southern
[01:42:14.460 --> 01:42:20.020]  United States area, especially Texas, if you're illegal alien, you can get away with just
[01:42:20.020 --> 01:42:21.020]  about murder.
[01:42:21.020 --> 01:42:27.060]  They, they will give you loans, mortgages without ID, without social security card.
[01:42:27.060 --> 01:42:28.060]  They give you a handout.
[01:42:28.060 --> 01:42:29.260]  They give you money.
[01:42:29.260 --> 01:42:31.940]  They give you, wait a minute, let me finish.
[01:42:31.940 --> 01:42:34.860]  They will give you money, a government handouts.
[01:42:34.860 --> 01:42:35.860]  Okay.
[01:42:35.860 --> 01:42:39.540]  They will pay for, for them to have babies at hospitals.
[01:42:39.540 --> 01:42:43.060]  They will add, they will take care of you, put you in housing and pay for it.
[01:42:43.060 --> 01:42:48.660]  If you're an illegal alien, you are treated like a royalty in this country right now.
[01:42:48.660 --> 01:42:50.040]  And so they don't harass the Mexicans.
[01:42:50.040 --> 01:42:55.380]  They harass the blacks and they harass people who are white that look like they may be protesters
[01:42:55.380 --> 01:42:56.380]  or fighting for sovereignty.
[01:42:56.380 --> 01:43:01.100]  Or if you look like a hippie or have a bumper stickers and stuff like that.
[01:43:01.100 --> 01:43:07.620]  They have harassed anyone that appears to be either poor or unable to defend themselves.
[01:43:07.620 --> 01:43:08.620]  Or non-conformists.
[01:43:08.620 --> 01:43:09.620]  Yes.
[01:43:09.620 --> 01:43:11.820]  Or if you're not an illegal alien.
[01:43:11.820 --> 01:43:12.820]  If you're not.
[01:43:12.820 --> 01:43:17.340]  I realize though, the, the reason the illegal alien thing is so dang popular these days
[01:43:17.340 --> 01:43:19.580]  is because we're being led by one.
[01:43:19.580 --> 01:43:20.580]  Yeah.
[01:43:20.580 --> 01:43:23.020]  Well, that's for sure.
[01:43:23.020 --> 01:43:24.780]  That's for sure.
[01:43:24.780 --> 01:43:26.780]  You got that right, Eddie.
[01:43:26.780 --> 01:43:28.580]  Oh boy.
[01:43:28.580 --> 01:43:31.780]  Well, for, for, for being an illegal alien, I mean.
[01:43:31.780 --> 01:43:32.780]  Okay.
[01:43:32.780 --> 01:43:33.780]  Yes.
[01:43:33.780 --> 01:43:34.780]  Okay.
[01:43:34.780 --> 01:43:35.780]  Listen, we're at the end of the segment.
[01:43:35.780 --> 01:43:36.780]  Um, we got a few calls, Pat.
[01:43:36.780 --> 01:43:41.980]  I know you've stayed way longer than you promised to appreciate it.
[01:43:41.980 --> 01:43:42.980]  Thank you, Pat.
[01:43:42.980 --> 01:43:48.780]  I'll keep the fight going and remember education is free right here.
[01:43:48.780 --> 01:43:49.780]  That's right.
[01:43:49.780 --> 01:43:53.060]  Say there's nothing wrong with Obama that a deportation hearing won't fix.
[01:43:53.060 --> 01:43:54.060]  You got that right.
[01:43:54.060 --> 01:43:55.060]  All right.
[01:43:55.060 --> 01:43:56.060]  Vote for me.
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[01:46:16.100 --> 01:46:21.820]  All right, we are back.
[01:46:21.820 --> 01:46:24.260]  Callers, again, I apologize.
[01:46:24.260 --> 01:46:26.740]  That was a total surprise.
[01:46:26.740 --> 01:46:32.460]  We don't get to see Pat very much anymore because he's a family man.
[01:46:32.460 --> 01:46:33.660]  We miss him a lot.
[01:46:33.660 --> 01:46:40.740]  He comes over sometimes when he can, but unless we're rehearsing for a gig or doing some specific
[01:46:40.740 --> 01:46:43.180]  recording sessions, we don't get to see him much and that was great.
[01:46:43.180 --> 01:46:45.620]  We get to bring him on the air for the first time.
[01:46:45.620 --> 01:46:47.980]  We appreciate callers being patient.
[01:46:47.980 --> 01:46:52.700]  We've got three calls on the board right now, T from Minnesota, Debbie from Illinois, Todd
[01:46:52.700 --> 01:46:53.700]  from Ohio.
[01:46:53.700 --> 01:46:55.780]  Now we've got Jessica from Texas.
[01:46:55.780 --> 01:46:59.580]  Unless all of y'all have very short questions that can be answered in a short period of
[01:46:59.580 --> 01:47:03.180]  time, we may not get to all of you, so I apologize for that.
[01:47:03.180 --> 01:47:06.580]  If we can't get to everyone, please call back in tomorrow night, but we're going to do the
[01:47:06.580 --> 01:47:07.580]  best we can.
[01:47:07.580 --> 01:47:09.620]  We'll have four hours tomorrow night.
[01:47:09.620 --> 01:47:13.540]  We'll have four hours tomorrow night, so we'll be able to take all your calls.
[01:47:13.540 --> 01:47:19.940]  And I will put your names on a list to take in priority, Debbie, Todd, Jessica, if we
[01:47:19.940 --> 01:47:21.380]  don't get to all of you tonight.
[01:47:21.380 --> 01:47:23.820]  So we're going to go to T from Minnesota first.
[01:47:23.820 --> 01:47:25.100]  T, thanks for calling in.
[01:47:25.100 --> 01:47:26.100]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:47:26.100 --> 01:47:27.100]  Can you hear me?
[01:47:27.100 --> 01:47:28.100]  Yes.
[01:47:28.100 --> 01:47:29.100]  Ah, good, good.
[01:47:29.100 --> 01:47:33.580]  Say, I was hoping to talk about a few things, but I don't know if I might be able to get
[01:47:33.580 --> 01:47:37.500]  prioritized in queue tomorrow as well.
[01:47:37.500 --> 01:47:38.500]  And I would appreciate it.
[01:47:38.500 --> 01:47:39.500]  Totally up to you.
[01:47:39.500 --> 01:47:45.100]  We will, just give us one tonight and we'll address the others tomorrow.
[01:47:45.100 --> 01:47:51.900]  So, Terms of Art, Term of Art, I've been looking for Terms of Art or Term of Art in Black's
[01:47:51.900 --> 01:47:57.220]  Law Dictionary 6th edition, and it's not anywhere in here, which is very interesting to me.
[01:47:57.220 --> 01:48:00.100]  And I found it on a more obscure location in Worcester.
[01:48:00.100 --> 01:48:03.340]  Wait a minute, state that more clearly.
[01:48:03.340 --> 01:48:04.340]  Terms of Art.
[01:48:04.340 --> 01:48:07.340]  Oh, Terms of Art, okay.
[01:48:07.340 --> 01:48:09.420]  Terms of Art, you know, like a term.
[01:48:09.420 --> 01:48:15.900]  You know, then what a term of art is, is when you take a word or a group of words and then
[01:48:15.900 --> 01:48:18.620]  turn them into a singular term, it could be three words.
[01:48:18.620 --> 01:48:31.780]  For example, in 7701 of Title 26 U.S.C., 7701 is, you know, definitions, it says, uh, hmm,
[01:48:31.780 --> 01:48:32.780]  I just lost it.
[01:48:32.780 --> 01:48:33.780]  I had it open.
[01:48:33.780 --> 01:48:43.540]  But basically, it says, uh, definitions, um, uh, here it is, definitions, 7701, uh, definitions.
[01:48:43.540 --> 01:48:48.700]  When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible
[01:48:48.700 --> 01:48:53.380]  with the intent thereof, now that's a little of a red herring there, but, uh, 26, trade
[01:48:53.380 --> 01:49:01.460]  or business, the term, and then in parentheses, trade or business, includes the performance
[01:49:01.460 --> 01:49:05.020]  of the functions of a public office, and that's all it says.
[01:49:05.020 --> 01:49:06.140]  You're absolutely right.
[01:49:06.140 --> 01:49:07.140]  That's all there is.
[01:49:07.140 --> 01:49:10.660]  Now, trade or business is not three words.
[01:49:10.660 --> 01:49:15.260]  It's one singular term, and really what it is is a term of art, and so it's interesting
[01:49:15.260 --> 01:49:21.500]  to me that that's the absolute key to cracking the code that you find, you know, the IRC,
[01:49:21.500 --> 01:49:25.980]  uh, the Internal Revenue Code, that's the key right there, is understanding what a term
[01:49:25.980 --> 01:49:30.780]  of art is and understanding that you read these normal, you know, what you, the layman
[01:49:30.780 --> 01:49:35.060]  would think is a normal word with the wide scope of application that you could find in
[01:49:35.060 --> 01:49:39.780]  Webster, you know, that that's not at all what it is, and that they'll put the definition
[01:49:39.780 --> 01:49:46.660]  for the term, uh, thousands and thousands of words away from where that term is used,
[01:49:46.660 --> 01:49:51.540]  but nevertheless, there will be a definition, and so the digitization of, uh, law, you know,
[01:49:51.540 --> 01:49:55.300]  in other words, you can, uh, do a digital search, you know, and pop up every incident
[01:49:55.300 --> 01:49:59.540]  of a word or group of words, which actually, you know, a term or, you know, uh, whatever,
[01:49:59.540 --> 01:50:04.220]  uh, you, you can pop up every incident of it in a three and a half million word, uh,
[01:50:04.220 --> 01:50:08.060]  Internal Revenue Code instantly, you know, that's the, what's really up in the flood
[01:50:08.060 --> 01:50:09.060]  chain.
[01:50:09.060 --> 01:50:11.660]  Okay, Eddie, Randy, do you have any comments on this, and then we need to move on so we
[01:50:11.660 --> 01:50:12.660]  can get as many followers.
[01:50:12.660 --> 01:50:13.660]  Well, let me just ask a question.
[01:50:13.660 --> 01:50:15.660]  Yeah, what is your question anyway?
[01:50:15.660 --> 01:50:20.620]  Well, I'd like, uh, to hear you guys talk about, uh, terms of art, and, I mean, I'd
[01:50:20.620 --> 01:50:25.500]  like to, to, to hopefully, and, you know, here it applied to Title 26 as well as everything
[01:50:25.500 --> 01:50:28.980]  else it applies to, which is, you know, the whole spectrum, and I wanted to point out that
[01:50:28.980 --> 01:50:33.540]  Black Flaw obscures terms of art because it's not listed anywhere in Black Flaw.
[01:50:33.540 --> 01:50:36.500]  Instead, they say words of art, and it's not words of art at all.
[01:50:36.500 --> 01:50:41.860]  I just looked on Westlaw, and I found thousands of references to terms of art on Westlaw.
[01:50:41.860 --> 01:50:46.340]  Okay, all right, so, so we're, okay, so, um, we're, we're going to, we're going to
[01:50:46.340 --> 01:50:50.980]  mute you now, and we're going to let Andy, Randy and Eddie, uh, address your question,
[01:50:50.980 --> 01:50:53.380]  and then we're going to move on.
[01:50:53.380 --> 01:50:54.380]  Go ahead, guys.
[01:50:54.380 --> 01:51:06.740]  This goes to linguistics, and one of my favorite studies is how the use of language affects
[01:51:06.740 --> 01:51:13.940]  the mind of the listener, and T went right to the issue.
[01:51:13.940 --> 01:51:19.780]  Uh, we hear words, and we try to make sense of each word that we hear, but when we go
[01:51:19.780 --> 01:51:29.060]  back to semantics or general semantics, the sound that the mouth makes is not the word.
[01:51:29.060 --> 01:51:38.380]  The words that we use are irrelevant before the effect that it has on the listener, and
[01:51:38.380 --> 01:51:47.460]  this is a fascinating study, and exactly what he went to, words of art, where you're using
[01:51:47.460 --> 01:51:57.460]  two or three words together in a linguistic pattern that they only have meaning when they're
[01:51:57.460 --> 01:52:00.900]  tied together in this particular way.
[01:52:00.900 --> 01:52:10.060]  So when we read law, we have to be very careful, and it's, it goes to a mental discipline.
[01:52:10.060 --> 01:52:19.960]  We have to, to work at separating our normal use of language in our everyday culture, which
[01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:27.780]  is constantly changing and evolving and being influenced by all sorts of different people
[01:52:27.780 --> 01:52:39.060]  and entertainers and all kinds of things influence the common language, but the law is different,
[01:52:39.060 --> 01:52:46.140]  and we always have to, when we go to law, we need to learn to stop and do what in psychology
[01:52:46.140 --> 01:52:48.340]  we call a reframe.
[01:52:48.340 --> 01:52:52.440]  We have a frame of reference for legal terms.
[01:52:52.440 --> 01:53:01.620]  When I'm reading legal work, I shift into a different frame of reference, and I pay
[01:53:01.620 --> 01:53:08.940]  more attention to every word that I look at, as opposed to when I'm talking to ordinary
[01:53:08.940 --> 01:53:10.780]  individuals in ordinary situations.
[01:53:10.780 --> 01:53:18.500]  It's a whole different context, and our caller was absolutely correct.
[01:53:18.500 --> 01:53:26.220]  We need to be very careful about how we frame, being aware of the frame of reference that
[01:53:26.220 --> 01:53:27.220]  we're dealing in.
[01:53:27.220 --> 01:53:30.700]  Yeah, and I think that's going to apply in all cases across the board when you're reading
[01:53:30.700 --> 01:53:35.360]  law, not just dealing with Title 26, as he was saying, Eddie, would you like to comment
[01:53:35.360 --> 01:53:36.360]  on this?
[01:53:36.360 --> 01:53:37.360]  And then we're going to go to the other callers.
[01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:43.420]  Yes, just like what I said in the traffic law material when we did the seminar, never under
[01:53:43.420 --> 01:53:48.740]  or never think for one minute you know what the words used in a statute mean.
[01:53:48.740 --> 01:53:52.380]  Always assume they mean something other than the common usage.
[01:53:52.380 --> 01:53:56.580]  Look for a definition for everything in there.
[01:53:56.580 --> 01:54:01.220]  Don't start in a common English dictionary, start with a law dictionary if it's not defined
[01:54:01.220 --> 01:54:06.140]  within the codes themselves, but never assume it means what you think it does.
[01:54:06.140 --> 01:54:11.140]  Yeah, and I would also add that what Eddie has found, what I've found, what Randy has
[01:54:11.140 --> 01:54:19.260]  found is that they purposefully try to pull the wool over our eyes with terminology by
[01:54:19.260 --> 01:54:26.380]  having the legal definitions of these words to mean something other than what the common
[01:54:26.380 --> 01:54:36.060]  usage definition is for the express purpose of trying to basically rob us and take away
[01:54:36.060 --> 01:54:37.060]  our rights.
[01:54:37.060 --> 01:54:38.460]  This is what happens in the traffic code.
[01:54:38.460 --> 01:54:39.460]  And one more.
[01:54:39.460 --> 01:54:43.060]  Okay, so go ahead, finish, Randy, and then we need to move on.
[01:54:43.060 --> 01:54:47.820]  You know, when you hear this, you think, well, the dirty rats are trying to trick us.
[01:54:47.820 --> 01:54:49.900]  But that's okay.
[01:54:49.900 --> 01:54:58.340]  Once we're aware of what they're doing, being consciously aware that they're misusing the
[01:54:58.340 --> 01:55:07.140]  meanings of terms gives us an incredible step up on them because for the most part, they
[01:55:07.140 --> 01:55:14.980]  consider all of us to be a part of the rabble, the thriving, the milling masses.
[01:55:14.980 --> 01:55:20.380]  But when we realize what they're doing, it gives us a powerful tool to deal with them
[01:55:20.380 --> 01:55:21.380]  with.
[01:55:21.380 --> 01:55:22.380]  Exactly.
[01:55:22.380 --> 01:55:24.940]  Just like the song that Jerry wrote, they can't pull, they're not going to fool us with
[01:55:24.940 --> 01:55:26.140]  the same old tricks again.
[01:55:26.140 --> 01:55:27.980]  Okay, listen, we should really move on.
[01:55:27.980 --> 01:55:29.980]  We could talk more about this subject tomorrow night.
[01:55:29.980 --> 01:55:31.460]  I want to try to get in as many calls we have.
[01:55:31.460 --> 01:55:32.940]  We only have three minutes left.
[01:55:32.940 --> 01:55:34.980]  So we're probably only going to have time for one more call.
[01:55:34.980 --> 01:55:37.100]  Debbie in Illinois, thank you.
[01:55:37.100 --> 01:55:38.100]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:55:38.100 --> 01:55:40.620]  Yeah, just a quick note.
[01:55:40.620 --> 01:55:42.180]  Can you speak up, Debbie?
[01:55:42.180 --> 01:55:43.180]  Your voice is kind of low.
[01:55:43.180 --> 01:55:44.180]  Sure.
[01:55:44.180 --> 01:55:47.060]  Just a quick note on the traffic signs.
[01:55:47.060 --> 01:55:52.660]  There were seven cities and regions in Europe that are doing some testing on that and going
[01:55:52.660 --> 01:55:55.800]  out without any traffic signs at all.
[01:55:55.800 --> 01:56:02.380]  And there's a Dutch province in Western Frisia, some little country, I guess, but they have
[01:56:02.380 --> 01:56:04.820]  completely done away with traffic signs.
[01:56:04.820 --> 01:56:05.820]  Wow.
[01:56:05.820 --> 01:56:10.540]  And the guy who was one of the project co-founders, there's a quote from him in this article.
[01:56:10.540 --> 01:56:15.580]  It says, the many rules strip us of the most important thing, the ability to be considerate.
[01:56:15.580 --> 01:56:17.540]  I thought that was pretty good.
[01:56:17.540 --> 01:56:18.540]  He says...
[01:56:18.540 --> 01:56:24.140]  Can you email us a link or a reference to that particular thing?
[01:56:24.140 --> 01:56:25.580]  Yeah, where should I email it?
[01:56:25.580 --> 01:56:31.620]  Go to ruleoflawradio.com and click on the contact button and it will send you to a page.
[01:56:31.620 --> 01:56:35.820]  And I have posted Eddie's email address there too, so you can email all three of us that
[01:56:35.820 --> 01:56:36.820]  link.
[01:56:36.820 --> 01:56:39.580]  I would very much like to have that as a reference.
[01:56:39.580 --> 01:56:40.580]  Yes.
[01:56:40.580 --> 01:56:41.580]  Do you have anything else, Debbie?
[01:56:41.580 --> 01:56:42.580]  Just that and that...
[01:56:42.580 --> 01:56:43.580]  Oh, thank you.
[01:56:43.580 --> 01:56:48.260]  You may have given us a trick.
[01:56:48.260 --> 01:56:49.260]  Thank you so much.
[01:56:49.260 --> 01:56:51.140]  And I would love to see those pictures too.
[01:56:51.140 --> 01:56:52.140]  Okay.
[01:56:52.140 --> 01:56:53.140]  Okay.
[01:56:53.140 --> 01:56:54.140]  Thanks.
[01:56:54.140 --> 01:56:56.060]  Let's move on now to Todd in Ohio.
[01:56:56.060 --> 01:56:57.700]  We've got exactly two minutes left.
[01:56:57.700 --> 01:56:58.820]  Todd, thanks for calling in.
[01:56:58.820 --> 01:56:59.820]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:56:59.820 --> 01:57:02.820]  Thank God for letting me through.
[01:57:02.820 --> 01:57:08.860]  I represent myself in case for the very first time, pro se.
[01:57:08.860 --> 01:57:13.500]  I have a civil suit on my hands with alleged credit card debt.
[01:57:13.500 --> 01:57:20.580]  And tomorrow it's the 26th day to respond, or 27th day to respond, so I'm filing a motion
[01:57:20.580 --> 01:57:22.980]  for a more definite statement.
[01:57:22.980 --> 01:57:27.620]  I was wondering if you guys had any stories or information that would help me out with
[01:57:27.620 --> 01:57:31.220]  any additional things that I could do in my flurry of motions.
[01:57:31.220 --> 01:57:34.660]  Go back and listen to the archive.
[01:57:34.660 --> 01:57:39.780]  When we had Mike Maris on, I put a description on the archive page.
[01:57:39.780 --> 01:57:47.660]  He has won six federal cases successfully beating credit card debt in federal court.
[01:57:47.660 --> 01:57:48.940]  I went through it four times.
[01:57:48.940 --> 01:57:53.500]  I don't have an FDCPA, it's the company itself, and they didn't make any violations.
[01:57:53.500 --> 01:57:54.500]  Oh.
[01:57:54.500 --> 01:57:55.500]  Okay.
[01:57:55.500 --> 01:58:00.060]  Then who the heck are they?
[01:58:00.060 --> 01:58:02.060]  Where do they get their standing?
[01:58:02.060 --> 01:58:09.180]  Are they the principal or are they claiming to be a representative for the principal?
[01:58:09.180 --> 01:58:13.460]  They are listed as the plaintiff at Discover Bank.
[01:58:13.460 --> 01:58:14.460]  Call us tomorrow night.
[01:58:14.460 --> 01:58:15.620]  Yeah, call us tomorrow night.
[01:58:15.620 --> 01:58:17.420]  And Jessica from Texas, sorry, we don't have time.
[01:58:17.420 --> 01:58:19.100]  We're at the end of the show, but wait a minute.
[01:58:19.100 --> 01:58:20.300]  You know what, Todd?
[01:58:20.300 --> 01:58:24.500]  You may want to call back in or stay on the line.
[01:58:24.500 --> 01:58:26.580]  Yeah, I got to do it tomorrow, so.
[01:58:26.580 --> 01:58:30.580]  Well, wait, listen, because what I'm trying to tell you is that Endless Fraud Detection
[01:58:30.580 --> 01:58:32.380]  is coming up next.
[01:58:32.380 --> 01:58:37.780]  They are on the air live right after us, and they deal with credit card issues as well.
[01:58:37.780 --> 01:58:38.780]  Fraud.
[01:58:38.780 --> 01:58:39.780]  Cool.
[01:58:39.780 --> 01:58:42.500]  Okay, so you may want to stay on the line, and I'll let them know what your question
[01:58:42.500 --> 01:58:43.500]  is about.
[01:58:43.500 --> 01:58:44.500]  Jessica, call back tomorrow.
[01:58:44.500 --> 01:58:45.500]  Cool.
[01:58:45.500 --> 01:58:46.500]  Thanks.
[01:58:46.500 --> 01:58:51.900]  This has been The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, special guest Patterson Martin,
[01:58:51.900 --> 01:58:56.340]  The Sovereign Nation, Island of Nevis, and I'm Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:56.340 --> 01:58:57.620]  We'll be back tomorrow night.
[01:58:57.620 --> 01:58:59.620]  Good night, everybody.
[01:58:59.620 --> 01:59:02.900]  Boy, that dinner sure was swell, wasn't it, darling?
[01:59:02.900 --> 01:59:04.500]  Yeah, it was pretty good.
[01:59:04.500 --> 01:59:08.140]  You know, I love- Oh, great, it's the police.
[01:59:08.140 --> 01:59:09.140]  Just calm down, honey.
[01:59:09.140 --> 01:59:10.140]  Just do what they say.
[01:59:10.140 --> 01:59:20.580]  It is I, Arda Sabino, I want to drink your life.
[01:59:20.580 --> 01:59:22.500]  Vampire cops got you down?
[01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:26.940]  Then join Texans for Accountable Government on Halloween at 8 p.m. at the corner of South
[01:59:26.940 --> 01:59:31.740]  First and Barton Springs Road as we hold a press conference and we protest non-consensual
[01:59:31.740 --> 01:59:32.740]  blood withdrawals.
[01:59:32.740 --> 01:59:38.520]  Later that night at 10 p.m., we'll be partying at Elysium, located at 705 Red River Street.
[01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:42.980]  Tell the bouncer you're with Texans for Accountable Government, and the $5 cover charge will go
[01:59:42.980 --> 01:59:47.460]  to Support Square Patrol, a local nonprofit which offers sober rides home.
[01:59:47.460 --> 01:59:52.340]  Again, join us at 8 p.m. on the corner of South First and Barton Springs.
[01:59:52.340 --> 02:00:09.100]  Go to tagtexas.org for more info, and remember, Austin, don't drink and drive.