ROL_2009-10-16_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:05.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:05.000 --> 00:14.000]  The Pentagon pays an average of $400 to put a gallon of fuel into a combat vehicle or aircraft in Afghanistan.
[00:14.000 --> 00:19.000]  Officials came up with a fuel statistic to the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee
[00:19.000 --> 00:25.000]  when asked why sending 1,000 troops to Afghanistan cost $1 billion.
[00:25.000 --> 00:32.000]  Israeli President Shimon Peres has thrown his country's weight behind Barack Obama's drive
[00:32.000 --> 00:38.000]  to curb Iran's nuclear ambitions through sanctions and diplomacy rather than force.
[00:38.000 --> 00:41.000]  Peres insisted Israel did not want to see blood.
[00:41.000 --> 00:50.000]  The UN Human Rights Council endorsed a report Friday that accused Israel and Hamas of war crimes in the Gaza conflict.
[00:50.000 --> 00:53.000]  Israel said the move was tantamount to rewarding terror,
[00:53.000 --> 01:00.000]  but the Palestinians said the resolution should trigger follow-up action by the UN Security Council.
[01:00.000 --> 01:06.000]  A new report has found the number of foreclosure filings hit a record high in the third quarter.
[01:06.000 --> 01:15.000]  Rick Sharga, spokesman for RealityTrack, an online marketer of foreclosed homes, said they were the worst three months of all time.
[01:15.000 --> 01:26.000]  In those three months, over 937,000 homes received a foreclosure letter, whether a default notice, auction notice, or bank repossession.
[01:26.000 --> 01:31.000]  That means one in every 136 U.S. homes were in foreclosure,
[01:31.000 --> 01:38.000]  a 5% increase over the second quarter and a 23% jump over the third quarter of 2008.
[01:38.000 --> 01:44.000]  So far this year, lenders have taken back 623,800 homes.
[01:44.000 --> 01:54.000]  Many industry watchers claim the percentage of real estate owned homes caused by borrowers voluntarily walking away from their homes is skyrocketing.
[01:54.000 --> 02:01.000]  Sharga says, l don't see home prices getting much better until 2013.
[02:01.000 --> 02:06.000]  The U.S. military in eastern Afghanistan has changed its media ground rules,
[02:06.000 --> 02:11.000]  saying photographs or videos of U.S. personnel killed in action will not be allowed.
[02:11.000 --> 02:18.000]  The ground rules document issued September 15th is a new version of the same document dated July 23rd
[02:18.000 --> 02:25.000]  that said media will not be prohibited from covering casualties as long as a series of conditions are met.
[02:25.000 --> 02:30.000]  The change occurred after the wide distribution of a photograph of a dying U.S. Marine.
[02:30.000 --> 02:36.000]  On September 4th, the Associated Press released a photo of a mortally wounded Marine in Afghanistan.
[02:36.000 --> 02:45.000]  The image, which was shot August 14th, was released as part of a package of stories and photos about the death of Lance Corporal Joshua Bernard.
[02:45.000 --> 02:51.000]  Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Bernard's family, had asked AP not to release the photo.
[02:51.000 --> 03:03.000]  Few newspapers published the image, but it was widely circulated online.
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[03:34.000 --> 03:42.000]  I received my remedy today, came in a box just like they say.
[03:42.000 --> 03:49.000]  I accepted it for value right away, it's not for you, not later.
[03:49.000 --> 03:57.000]  We are originators and the pathway seems to get straighter every day.
[03:57.000 --> 04:04.000]  And I can take anything that belongs to me and do it to good use.
[04:04.000 --> 04:12.000]  But I was good for the gander, don't work for the goose.
[04:12.000 --> 04:19.000]  I know some architects, I know some engineers.
[04:19.000 --> 04:26.000]  They see the evidence, they know something seems queer.
[04:26.000 --> 04:27.000]  Okay, we are back.
[04:27.000 --> 04:29.000]  We're speaking with Scott in Connecticut.
[04:29.000 --> 04:32.000]  Okay, Scott, you had another question you said?
[04:32.000 --> 04:35.000]  Yes, okay, moving on.
[04:35.000 --> 04:43.000]  Assuming that I, you know, do get a license, okay, to get that license you need to register.
[04:43.000 --> 04:47.000]  There's a scary word these days.
[04:47.000 --> 05:01.000]  First you have to, to get your license you have to go onto the ULS database, which is a universal licensing system.
[05:01.000 --> 05:07.000]  And to get there you have to go through the CORS, which is the Commission's Registration System.
[05:07.000 --> 05:14.000]  And to be able to get on that you have to be issued an FRN, a Federal Registration Number.
[05:14.000 --> 05:19.000]  And to get that you have to give them, they say you have to give them a Social Security Number.
[05:19.000 --> 05:24.000]  And you have to have a tattoo on your, behind your left ear.
[05:24.000 --> 05:25.000]  Oh, okay.
[05:25.000 --> 05:29.000]  Actually, if you press the Social Security Number issue they will relent.
[05:29.000 --> 05:33.000]  Federal law is very specific on federal usage of a Social Security Number.
[05:33.000 --> 05:39.000]  They cannot mandate that you disclose that number for any purposes other than Social Security.
[05:39.000 --> 05:56.000]  Yeah, although on their thing there, you know, there's a little thing that tells you what your Social Security Number
[05:56.000 --> 06:07.000]  or your Taxpayer Identification Number in the case of a person or an individual, I think it says, your SSN is your TIN.
[06:07.000 --> 06:09.000]  Does that make sense to you?
[06:09.000 --> 06:14.000]  Yeah, that would actually be incorrect if you look up the definition of TIN in the code.
[06:14.000 --> 06:20.000]  Yeah, obviously, and they don't even quote the code on the little, you know,
[06:20.000 --> 06:24.000]  there's like a little pop-up window that tells you what those numbers are.
[06:24.000 --> 06:28.000]  Yeah, if you press the issue on the Social Security Number, should you decide to go through with that,
[06:28.000 --> 06:34.000]  they will relent 99.9 percent of the time because they know federal law does not support them.
[06:34.000 --> 06:40.000]  The Privacy Act of 1974 makes it very specific that there is very specific information
[06:40.000 --> 06:45.000]  that must be posted to the public at any time a Social Security Number is requested.
[06:45.000 --> 06:51.000]  And if that information is not there, it is a violation of the Privacy Act, and that is a felony.
[06:51.000 --> 06:54.000]  Yeah, I was just looking at that a long time ago.
[06:54.000 --> 07:02.000]  I copied off the Internet that it's a citizen's assertion of legal right to withhold Social Security Number.
[07:02.000 --> 07:04.000]  Yep.
[07:04.000 --> 07:10.000]  And, you know, it lists Section 7, Public Law 93-579.
[07:10.000 --> 07:12.000]  I was thinking on when I fill out my paperwork,
[07:12.000 --> 07:19.000]  maybe I would just leave it blank and just staple one of them on there.
[07:19.000 --> 07:21.000]  Yeah, because I've been pressing that issue.
[07:21.000 --> 07:24.000]  I raised it, you know, of course, like, you know, there's like 25 people in the class,
[07:24.000 --> 07:28.000]  and I'm like the only one who raises my hand, you know.
[07:28.000 --> 07:32.000]  Well, I'll partner to listen to you guys, of course.
[07:32.000 --> 07:36.000]  You're going to have the mark on you, Bubba.
[07:36.000 --> 07:37.000]  Oh, well.
[07:37.000 --> 07:41.000]  You raise your hand and ask a question, enemy of the state.
[07:41.000 --> 07:43.000]  You go right on the list.
[07:43.000 --> 07:44.000]  Oh, yeah.
[07:44.000 --> 07:45.000]  What color is that?
[07:45.000 --> 07:49.000]  Would that be the red list or just the yellow one, or I'm not, you know?
[07:49.000 --> 07:53.000]  No, the yellow ones are for those that won't raise their hand.
[07:53.000 --> 07:54.000]  Oh, okay.
[07:54.000 --> 07:58.000]  So I'm on the red list.
[07:58.000 --> 07:59.000]  Oh, well.
[07:59.000 --> 08:00.000]  Everybody get that, the yellow list.
[08:00.000 --> 08:03.000]  You won't stand up, the yellow list.
[08:03.000 --> 08:09.000]  Oh, well, they put us all in the same dormitory in the FEMA camp or what?
[08:09.000 --> 08:11.000]  Well, you never can tell.
[08:11.000 --> 08:13.000]  I think we'd have a hell of a party, don't you?
[08:13.000 --> 08:15.000]  Well, at least good conversation.
[08:15.000 --> 08:18.000]  You know, it ain't legal for us all to be here.
[08:18.000 --> 08:24.000]  I'm bringing soap on a rope.
[08:24.000 --> 08:26.000]  Anyway, I wanted to, yeah, clear that up.
[08:26.000 --> 08:33.000]  I'm definitely going to try to push that issue about the Social Security number anyway.
[08:33.000 --> 08:40.000]  And like, you know, I think, you know, we've got both schools of thought here.
[08:40.000 --> 08:49.000]  You know, in other words, would the amateur license be a right, a benefit, or a privilege?
[08:49.000 --> 08:50.000]  I think that's what we've got.
[08:50.000 --> 08:53.000]  Any license is a privilege, period.
[08:53.000 --> 09:01.000]  Now, whether or not it can be revoked at will depends upon, I was just looking at that,
[09:01.000 --> 09:08.000]  whether or not there is an emolument or some sort attached to it.
[09:08.000 --> 09:18.000]  If it turns out that it is an explicit license versus an implied license, we'll make that determination.
[09:18.000 --> 09:23.000]  And I did uncover one other alarming fact that when you do have a license,
[09:23.000 --> 09:32.000]  that supposedly gives the FCC a right to knock on your door and come into your home and inspect your station.
[09:32.000 --> 09:37.000]  They can come in any time they like with a warrant.
[09:37.000 --> 09:41.000]  So by having that license, that still doesn't influence it.
[09:41.000 --> 09:44.000]  Well, I think that what Scott's saying is that when you get the license,
[09:44.000 --> 09:48.000]  you're agreeing to a contract with the FCC.
[09:48.000 --> 09:54.000]  And part of the terms of that contract are that you allow them to inspect your equipment.
[09:54.000 --> 09:58.000]  And you have a claim of an unconscionable contract
[09:58.000 --> 10:03.000]  because a contract is requiring you to waive a protected right for a benefit.
[10:03.000 --> 10:15.000]  So if I sign that, should I use that with that thing there without prejudice?
[10:15.000 --> 10:18.000]  Yeah. The UCC argument?
[10:18.000 --> 10:19.000]  Yeah.
[10:19.000 --> 10:25.000]  No. In fact, if you actually read that section of the UCC, you are not required to write that anywhere.
[10:25.000 --> 10:29.000]  It only says that you must express the reservation of your rights.
[10:29.000 --> 10:31.000]  You can do it verbally.
[10:31.000 --> 10:37.000]  Let me get back to my thing of, Kerry, a recorder with you when you're talking to any type of public servant.
[10:37.000 --> 10:42.000]  Yeah. Well, you see, the people I'm dealing with won't be public servants, I don't believe.
[10:42.000 --> 10:44.000]  They weren't for the government?
[10:44.000 --> 10:45.000]  No.
[10:45.000 --> 10:50.000]  Wait a minute. If you're going to be dealing with the FCC, they're public servants.
[10:50.000 --> 10:54.000]  Yeah. But all they would be doing, they would just be the recipient of the forms.
[10:54.000 --> 11:03.000]  The people I would be dealing with are, well, actually they have a term form in Part 97.
[11:03.000 --> 11:04.000]  In other words, they're...
[11:04.000 --> 11:09.000]  Is it a term you can repeat on the radio?
[11:09.000 --> 11:11.000]  Yeah.
[11:11.000 --> 11:14.000]  Yeah, remember, we've got to keep the language down now.
[11:14.000 --> 11:15.000]  It's more alphabet stuff.
[11:15.000 --> 11:25.000]  In other words, like people that proctor your test are called VEs, and that's actually spelled out in Part 97.
[11:25.000 --> 11:32.000]  You know, the people that proctor the test, and it's actually spelled out in Part 97.
[11:32.000 --> 11:46.000]  In other words, someone of a higher license class has to be present to proctor your examination, but they're not employees of the government.
[11:46.000 --> 12:03.000]  In other words, if one of you had a higher class license, you could proctor the exam, a VE, volunteer examiner, but you're not working for the government.
[12:03.000 --> 12:05.000]  Okay.
[12:05.000 --> 12:07.000]  So I'm really not dealing anybody with the government.
[12:07.000 --> 12:14.000]  So in other words, if I sign it, I should just write on it, all rights reserved?
[12:14.000 --> 12:16.000]  I would.
[12:16.000 --> 12:17.000]  It's always a big policy.
[12:17.000 --> 12:18.000]  Yep.
[12:18.000 --> 12:22.000]  I'm writing that in big letters right now.
[12:22.000 --> 12:31.000]  Yeah, and it seems to me like at some point you would be dealing with somebody who actually works for the FCC, and so the point is whoever...
[12:31.000 --> 12:34.000]  Nope, I'll never see anybody that works there.
[12:34.000 --> 12:38.000]  You'll never have any written correspondence with anyone that works there?
[12:38.000 --> 12:43.000]  Nope, other than there's one form you fill out that's application to take the exam.
[12:43.000 --> 12:48.000]  But somebody has to contact you back about all of this?
[12:48.000 --> 12:53.000]  Nope, they do it online through the ULS, the Universal Licensing System.
[12:53.000 --> 12:55.000]  Okay, but somebody...
[12:55.000 --> 12:58.000]  I mean, is it just like an automated computerized system?
[12:58.000 --> 13:05.000]  I mean, it seems to me like somebody at the FCC is going to have to send you some type of communication at some point in time.
[13:05.000 --> 13:15.000]  Yes, after that, several weeks later, then you receive the hard copy of your license, which in the textbook there is a copy of a license, and guess what?
[13:15.000 --> 13:18.000]  Everybody's name is spelled in all capital letters.
[13:18.000 --> 13:27.000]  I know, but what I'm trying to say is that up until that point there's going to be some communication back and forth, and somebody from the FCC has to be involved with this.
[13:27.000 --> 13:28.000]  Nope.
[13:28.000 --> 13:35.000]  So are you telling me this is just an automated computerized script that does these things?
[13:35.000 --> 13:36.000]  Yeah, in other words...
[13:36.000 --> 13:40.000]  There's not a real human being that ever deals with it at the FCC?
[13:40.000 --> 13:42.000]  Nope, the people that...
[13:42.000 --> 13:49.000]  There may be that just basically processes the information, or possibly does a background check on you.
[13:49.000 --> 13:55.000]  In other words, like probably the guy that doesn't put down his Social Security number.
[13:55.000 --> 14:00.000]  In other words, they may check to see if you...
[14:00.000 --> 14:01.000]  Oh, because...
[14:01.000 --> 14:03.000]  Oh, wait a minute.
[14:03.000 --> 14:05.000]  This might explain some of it.
[14:05.000 --> 14:10.000]  Remember we were talking about the TIN and the SSN, the Social Security numbers?
[14:10.000 --> 14:11.000]  Yes.
[14:11.000 --> 14:13.000]  It says, why is the...
[14:13.000 --> 14:14.000]  Of course, they don't cite it...
[14:14.000 --> 14:21.000]  Well, they do cite some law, but why is it necessary to supply a TIN?
[14:21.000 --> 14:32.000]  The Debt Collection Improvement Act of 1996 requires the FCC to collect this information.
[14:32.000 --> 14:43.000]  Congress enacted the DCIA to improve collection of delinquent government debts as a result of the DCIA.
[14:43.000 --> 14:52.000]  The FCC and other executive agencies must collect the TIN from each individual or organization doing business with a federal agency,
[14:52.000 --> 14:58.000]  including applicants or recipients of a federal license or permit.
[14:58.000 --> 15:04.000]  Okay, now what was the key phrase you just used right there?
[15:04.000 --> 15:06.000]  Federal license.
[15:06.000 --> 15:07.000]  Nope.
[15:07.000 --> 15:08.000]  Before that.
[15:08.000 --> 15:10.000]  Way before that.
[15:10.000 --> 15:15.000]  Doing business.
[15:15.000 --> 15:16.000]  Yep.
[15:16.000 --> 15:19.000]  Organization doing business, yep.
[15:19.000 --> 15:26.000]  Yeah, I'm not doing any business with them.
[15:26.000 --> 15:32.000]  So therefore, if I'm not doing business with them, they don't need my TIN.
[15:32.000 --> 15:35.000]  There you go.
[15:35.000 --> 15:38.000]  Okay, that's another note I got to write down.
[15:38.000 --> 15:43.000]  All kinds of...you wouldn't believe how many papers I got spread out all over the floor in the desk here trying to...
[15:43.000 --> 15:45.000]  Oh, yes, I would.
[15:45.000 --> 15:50.000]  I've got 11 years of that myself.
[15:50.000 --> 15:53.000]  I look like I've had a paper plant explode in my house.
[15:53.000 --> 15:55.000]  What's that?
[15:55.000 --> 16:02.000]  I said I look like many times like I've had a paper plant explode inside my house.
[16:02.000 --> 16:07.000]  Doing business.
[16:07.000 --> 16:09.000]  Look at that phrase up.
[16:09.000 --> 16:13.000]  I guarantee you that phrase is defined somewhere.
[16:13.000 --> 16:14.000]  Doing business.
[16:14.000 --> 16:15.000]  Doing business.
[16:15.000 --> 16:20.000]  And if you look it up in Black's Law, I can tell you exactly what it says it applies to.
[16:20.000 --> 16:24.000]  Foreign corporations.
[16:24.000 --> 16:29.000]  Now is Black's Law the book that the government uses or do I need another dictionary?
[16:29.000 --> 16:33.000]  I don't think the government even reads.
[16:33.000 --> 16:38.000]  I don't think the government uses as far as the Supreme Court is bubiates.
[16:38.000 --> 16:40.000]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[16:40.000 --> 16:41.000]  Scott, do you have anything else for us?
[16:41.000 --> 16:42.000]  I think that'll cover it.
[16:42.000 --> 16:43.000]  Okay, great.
[16:43.000 --> 16:45.000]  Callers, we've got to open phone lines right now.
[16:45.000 --> 16:47.000]  512-646-1984.
[16:47.000 --> 16:48.000]  Thanks for calling in, Scott.
[16:48.000 --> 16:49.000]  Alrighty then.
[16:49.000 --> 16:50.000]  Thank you, guys.
[16:50.000 --> 16:51.000]  Okay.
[16:51.000 --> 16:52.000]  Have a good night.
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[18:02.000 --> 18:31.000]  Alright, trust in God, my friends.
[18:31.000 --> 18:58.000]  Thank you.
[18:58.000 --> 19:02.000]  Yeah, this is some information we'll be covering at the seminar, but I thought it was worth
[19:02.000 --> 19:03.000]  mentioning.
[19:03.000 --> 19:06.000]  This was the argument that I was talking about before that I'm going to go over with this
[19:06.000 --> 19:10.000]  attorney when we have a great debate.
[19:10.000 --> 19:16.000]  But as you know, there are two chapters in the Transportation Code that deal with driver's licenses.
[19:16.000 --> 19:20.000]  They are Chapter 521 and Chapter 522.
[19:20.000 --> 19:25.000]  522 is directed specifically at the commercial driver's license.
[19:25.000 --> 19:31.000]  521 is the section that you're always cited under, stating that you don't have a license.
[19:31.000 --> 19:34.000]  And if you're driving without the license, then we're charging you with that offense
[19:34.000 --> 19:37.000]  under 521.021.
[19:37.000 --> 19:46.000]  Okay, under 521.003, I do believe it is, or 001 sub-item 3, you have the definition of
[19:46.000 --> 19:47.000]  driver's license.
[19:47.000 --> 19:55.000]  And that definition says driver's license means temporary license, instruction permit,
[19:55.000 --> 19:57.000]  and occupational license.
[19:57.000 --> 20:03.000]  So what's kept me pacing around arguing against this is exactly how this works.
[20:03.000 --> 20:10.000]  521.021 also contains the section that describes each of these three particular things.
[20:10.000 --> 20:16.000]  There's a section for the temporary license, which basically states the temporary license is the
[20:16.000 --> 20:22.000]  license issued temporarily to an applicant or a member of the United States Armed Services that is
[20:22.000 --> 20:27.000]  out of state, and it does not have a picture.
[20:27.000 --> 20:35.000]  So the temporary license is only good until such time as the applicant comes in and gets the picture
[20:35.000 --> 20:37.000]  put onto the license.
[20:37.000 --> 20:46.000]  The instruction permit is meant to allow someone to operate a motor vehicle while an actually fully
[20:46.000 --> 20:54.000]  licensed driver sits in the front seat with them while they're learning to operate this motor vehicle.
[20:54.000 --> 20:58.000]  And then the third thing, of course, is the occupational license.
[20:58.000 --> 21:10.000]  The occupational license in the section down there can only be issued by a judge after someone has lost
[21:10.000 --> 21:17.000]  their license due to a DUI or an APR review that takes it away from them.
[21:17.000 --> 21:21.000]  So basically speaking, the argument I put together is this.
[21:21.000 --> 21:28.000]  If you're citing me under Chapter 521 for not having a license, then I need to know what the disposition of a license is.
[21:28.000 --> 21:35.000]  Are you citing me for not having A, the temporary license, in which case you're saying that I have to have a license
[21:35.000 --> 21:41.000]  that doesn't have my picture on it and that at some point I had to have traded in to get a license with my
[21:41.000 --> 21:42.000]  picture on it.
[21:42.000 --> 21:49.000]  So my question is, is once it gets my picture on it, what kind of license does it become?
[21:49.000 --> 21:54.000]  It can't be a temporary license because it has my picture on it.
[21:54.000 --> 22:00.000]  It also can't just be simply stated that it's a driver's license because that makes a circular argument.
[22:00.000 --> 22:05.000]  You're now putting it back into the same definition even though it has now actually changed state.
[22:05.000 --> 22:07.000]  It is no longer a temporary.
[22:07.000 --> 22:10.000]  So what kind of license has it become?
[22:10.000 --> 22:13.000]  Now the same argument can be made with the instruction permit.
[22:13.000 --> 22:18.000]  The instruction permit is to learn how to get the full license.
[22:18.000 --> 22:23.000]  Well, once you pass the written exam and take the driving test, what kind of license does the
[22:23.000 --> 22:28.000]  instruction permit become?
[22:28.000 --> 22:33.000]  Now we come to the argument of if they try to say, well, they become the occupational license.
[22:33.000 --> 22:36.000]  I'm going, okay, well, let's analyze that for a second.
[22:36.000 --> 22:42.000]  A temporary license is one that was issued to me without my picture, and once I get my picture,
[22:42.000 --> 22:45.000]  it now becomes a full-blown occupational license.
[22:45.000 --> 22:52.000]  But the occupational license can only be issued by a judge if I've been convicted for a DUI or had my
[22:52.000 --> 22:55.000]  license yanked for an APR review.
[22:55.000 --> 23:03.000]  Now what kind of license did I have before the APR review or the DUI conviction in order for the judge
[23:03.000 --> 23:06.000]  to yank it and issue the occupational license?
[23:06.000 --> 23:08.000]  And then the instruction permit.
[23:08.000 --> 23:14.000]  Are you actually trying to tell me that I have to take an instruction class to learn how to get a license
[23:14.000 --> 23:21.000]  that I can only get if I've been convicted under a DUI or an APR review?
[23:21.000 --> 23:24.000]  That doesn't make sense.
[23:24.000 --> 23:30.000]  So given that, what kind of license am I being cited for not having?
[23:30.000 --> 23:36.000]  Well, logic says since there's only one other chapter in the transportation code that deals with
[23:36.000 --> 23:43.000]  the issuance of anything remotely related to the operation of a motor vehicle, the only license in
[23:43.000 --> 23:51.000]  any of these instances that I could have had before losing it in a DUI or an APR review or that I am
[23:51.000 --> 23:57.000]  being instructed on how to obtain or that was issued in a temporary status until I could get my
[23:57.000 --> 24:06.000]  picture taken to get the full-blown is the commercial driver's license under Chapter 522.
[24:06.000 --> 24:11.000]  That is the argument that I'm going to present to this attorney, and I would love to see where he's
[24:11.000 --> 24:17.000]  going to punch a hole in it, because these being the only two chapters that the general public is
[24:17.000 --> 24:23.000]  made aware of, unless there's an unpublished law somewhere that we know absolutely nothing about,
[24:23.000 --> 24:29.000]  and of course the potato IQed law enforcement officers are citing us under this particular section,
[24:29.000 --> 24:33.000]  so I think we should be able to defend under it.
[24:33.000 --> 24:38.000]  I'm really, really going to have a fun time with this debate.
[24:38.000 --> 24:41.000]  Potato IQ?
[24:41.000 --> 24:43.000]  What else can you call it?
[24:43.000 --> 24:48.000]  I mean, they have as much arguing ability about the law as Mr. Potato Head does.
[24:48.000 --> 24:51.000]  Well, you know, it's kind of like Officer Ben.
[24:51.000 --> 24:54.000]  He sat on the air a few months ago.
[24:54.000 --> 25:01.000]  I know more about the law than you, but he's asking us questions about the law, and I've heard,
[25:01.000 --> 25:05.000]  and then he also said we don't have to know the law, we just have to enforce it.
[25:05.000 --> 25:11.000]  Now, that makes about as much sense as Mr. Potato Head.
[25:11.000 --> 25:13.000]  Yeah, and we'll make up for it as we need to.
[25:13.000 --> 25:14.000]  Yeah.
[25:14.000 --> 25:18.000]  How are you going to enforce the law that you don't even know what the law is?
[25:18.000 --> 25:19.000]  What are you going to enforce?
[25:19.000 --> 25:21.000]  Give me a break.
[25:21.000 --> 25:27.000]  But I mean, if anyone out there that's listening to this can come up with a rebuttal to my argument,
[25:27.000 --> 25:30.000]  I would love to hear it.
[25:30.000 --> 25:36.000]  I mean, I would love for somebody to find where I am missing the mark on this,
[25:36.000 --> 25:43.000]  because in all honesty, this is such a simplistic argument based upon the statute itself
[25:43.000 --> 25:51.000]  and everything to which it pertains that I am absolutely astounded a court can actually operate
[25:51.000 --> 25:56.000]  with a straight face to try to convict you under it.
[25:56.000 --> 26:00.000]  I'm surprised they've gotten away with it so long with so many millions of people.
[26:00.000 --> 26:01.000]  Yeah.
[26:01.000 --> 26:03.000]  I mean, this is ridiculous.
[26:03.000 --> 26:05.000]  I mean, this is not even a very good fraud.
[26:05.000 --> 26:07.000]  It's not even a good sham.
[26:07.000 --> 26:11.000]  They haven't constructed their sham very well.
[26:11.000 --> 26:19.000]  No, because the law itself completely eliminates their ability to claim that it's a driver's license.
[26:19.000 --> 26:21.000]  Well, you can't call it a driver's license.
[26:21.000 --> 26:26.000]  You say it's either temporary license, instruction permit, or an occupational license.
[26:26.000 --> 26:29.000]  That's the definition of driver's license.
[26:29.000 --> 26:35.000]  So what transition stage does the temporary become once it gets a picture?
[26:35.000 --> 26:36.000]  It can't stay a temporary license.
[26:36.000 --> 26:38.000]  It's got to become something else.
[26:38.000 --> 26:40.000]  What does it become?
[26:40.000 --> 26:41.000]  An instruction permit.
[26:41.000 --> 26:42.000]  It's only good while I'm learning.
[26:42.000 --> 26:48.000]  Once I pass the test and make the grade, you know, what kind of license does it become?
[26:48.000 --> 26:56.000]  And neither one of them can become an occupational license because the occupational license can only be issued by a judge.
[26:56.000 --> 27:04.000]  Now, the other thing I found interesting that I showed Randy was that the statute shoots itself in the foot.
[27:04.000 --> 27:21.000]  Chapter 521 specifically states that a judge may not issue an occupational license in place of or for the person to operate a commercial motor vehicle as defined in Chapter 522.
[27:21.000 --> 27:23.000]  Well, that also would cause a problem.
[27:23.000 --> 27:35.000]  That means the judge can't issue any kind of license because the only license is a commercial driver's license.
[27:35.000 --> 27:36.000]  I mean.
[27:36.000 --> 27:38.000]  This is getting better.
[27:38.000 --> 27:39.000]  Where did he go?
[27:39.000 --> 27:41.000]  This is getting better by the minute, Randy.
[27:41.000 --> 27:42.000]  Yeah.
[27:42.000 --> 27:49.000]  And on top of that, another thing you'll notice is if you look at the license classifications, A, B, C, blah, blah, blah.
[27:49.000 --> 28:03.000]  As I've said before, you will notice that between 522 Chapter and 521 Chapter, the classifications are identical between the two so-called licenses,
[28:03.000 --> 28:07.000]  which I've just shown you there can't be but one.
[28:07.000 --> 28:13.000]  And the occupational can be nothing more than a restricted version of the one.
[28:13.000 --> 28:15.000]  That's all.
[28:15.000 --> 28:19.000]  And the only one is the CDL.
[28:19.000 --> 28:27.000]  But the classifications between both are absolutely identical.
[28:27.000 --> 28:32.000]  So that's just one of the many things we're going to go over in the seminar.
[28:32.000 --> 28:33.000]  Awesome, Eddie.
[28:33.000 --> 28:34.000]  I love it.
[28:34.000 --> 28:35.000]  Okay.
[28:35.000 --> 28:36.000]  Well, we've got some callers on the line.
[28:36.000 --> 28:38.000]  We've got Mark in Michigan.
[28:38.000 --> 28:39.000]  Oh, good.
[28:39.000 --> 28:40.000]  That stirred interest.
[28:40.000 --> 28:40.000]  Let's go.
[28:40.000 --> 28:41.000]  Yeah.
[28:40.000 --> 28:41.000]  Hey, Mark.
[28:41.000 --> 28:42.000]  Thanks for calling in.
[28:42.000 --> 28:43.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[28:43.000 --> 28:45.000]  Hey, guys.
[28:45.000 --> 28:48.000]  Went down to court today to help out on a ordering ticket.
[28:48.000 --> 28:51.000]  And we've been kind of doing this one for a while.
[28:51.000 --> 28:57.000]  We have prepared some documents and called in before on it.
[28:57.000 --> 29:05.000]  One of them was a motion to disqualify, got the judge to recuse herself off the case.
[29:05.000 --> 29:12.000]  So anyway, we went down this morning on what was supposed to be a jury trial.
[29:12.000 --> 29:17.000]  It was on the old judge's docket.
[29:17.000 --> 29:22.000]  So I kind of had a feeling these guys had screwed something up.
[29:22.000 --> 29:25.000]  We juggled around through about three different courtrooms for them,
[29:25.000 --> 29:31.000]  figuring out where their head was and their butt, and got to the third courtroom.
[29:31.000 --> 29:33.000]  And it was in-house.
[29:33.000 --> 29:35.000]  Oh, I hear the music.
[29:35.000 --> 29:36.000]  Yeah, we got that music coming in.
[29:36.000 --> 29:37.000]  This is a break.
[29:37.000 --> 29:40.000]  Okay, hang on to that thought, Mark.
[29:40.000 --> 29:42.000]  And we've also got Tim from Texas.
[29:42.000 --> 29:44.000]  So we'll be taking Tim's call after Mark's.
[29:44.000 --> 29:46.000]  After that, open phones.
[29:46.000 --> 29:50.000]  So callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[29:50.000 --> 29:52.000]  And this is a rule of law.
[29:52.000 --> 30:01.000]  Be right back.
[30:01.000 --> 30:05.000]  Are you tired of being pulled over before you can find the time to get your registration or insurance
[30:05.000 --> 30:10.000]  renewed resulting in traffic tickets, fines, and court appearances?
[30:10.000 --> 30:11.000]  Well, we can tell.
[30:11.000 --> 30:13.000]  This is Eddie Craig from RuleOfLawRadio.com.
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[30:16.000 --> 30:20.000]  traffic law seminar on October 24th and 25th at Brave New Books
[30:20.000 --> 30:24.000]  located at 1904 Guadalupe Street in Austin, Texas.
[30:24.000 --> 30:28.000]  The seminar will run both Saturday and Sunday from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m.
[30:28.000 --> 30:31.000]  who will teach you how to read, research, and understand the statute
[30:31.000 --> 30:36.000]  relating to driver's licenses, registration, and insurance as well as seat belts and DUIs.
[30:36.000 --> 30:40.000]  You will learn how to exercise your right to liberty and travel in your automobile.
[30:40.000 --> 30:42.000]  And you will do it using the law.
[30:42.000 --> 30:45.000]  No magic beans, silver bullets, or obtuse legal mumbo jumbo.
[30:45.000 --> 30:49.000]  We will teach you the truth using existing case law and statutes
[30:49.000 --> 30:51.000]  alongside the Texas Constitution.
[30:51.000 --> 30:55.000]  So if you want to learn how to fight back and win, come see us at the seminar.
[30:55.000 --> 30:59.000]  Check out www.ruleoflawradio.com for more details.
[30:59.000 --> 31:01.000]  And we hope to see you there.
[31:29.000 --> 31:39.000]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes
[31:39.000 --> 31:47.000]  I said they must refuse your nose also doesn't lie
[31:47.000 --> 31:55.000]  It seems you like the face but please take some words to the wise
[31:55.000 --> 32:02.000]  Please don't try to pull the wool over my eyes
[32:02.000 --> 32:05.000]  Okay.
[32:05.000 --> 32:13.000]  So I hope you guys like our new PSA for the seminar with the Reggae Perry Mason in the background.
[32:13.000 --> 32:16.000]  That's Jerry that did that. That was just great.
[32:16.000 --> 32:21.000]  Okay. That was a group effort there, making that, producing that ad.
[32:21.000 --> 32:25.000]  Okay. We're speaking with Mark in Michigan now.
[32:25.000 --> 32:28.000]  Okay. So Mark, please continue.
[32:28.000 --> 32:33.000]  Okay. So we get into our final courtroom and House counsel is sitting there.
[32:33.000 --> 32:39.000]  Now this is supposed to be, you know, the counsel that you see if you need a court appointed attorney.
[32:39.000 --> 32:44.000]  Dealt with these guys a couple of times. They are real pieces of work.
[32:44.000 --> 32:50.000]  Anyway, he's sitting there and, you know, we go to the security officer and talk to them
[32:50.000 --> 32:56.000]  and kind of explain the situation and, you know, House counsel kind of chimes in and says,
[32:56.000 --> 32:58.000]  okay, I'll look into this.
[32:58.000 --> 33:04.000]  You know, they dig around for a little while and he wants to drag us out to the courtroom
[33:04.000 --> 33:12.000]  and kind of hear what's going on and at first he seems pretty receptive.
[33:12.000 --> 33:23.000]  And, you know, then he starts on with, well, you know, you all can file your motions that you find in books.
[33:23.000 --> 33:29.000]  And, you know, but that doesn't work in the real world and all this other crap.
[33:29.000 --> 33:33.000]  And I said, well, that's kind of funny because that's what the last House counsel told us
[33:33.000 --> 33:39.000]  was all these motions and the judge got kicked off the case.
[33:39.000 --> 33:42.000]  So, you know, he said, well, I've been doing this for a long time.
[33:42.000 --> 33:45.000]  I said, well, you know, this is what I do.
[33:45.000 --> 33:50.000]  And, you know, he gets kind of perturbed.
[33:50.000 --> 33:57.000]  Well, you know, he goes back in the courtroom and comes out and they want to dismiss the ticket.
[33:57.000 --> 33:59.000]  They want to be done with all this.
[33:59.000 --> 34:04.000]  And he starts again and I can't remember what I told them, but, you know, basically I said,
[34:04.000 --> 34:06.000]  you guys don't know what you're talking about.
[34:06.000 --> 34:11.000]  This is why I end up wiping the floor with you guys.
[34:11.000 --> 34:15.000]  And at that moment he said, you don't talk to me like that.
[34:15.000 --> 34:20.000]  And he had me thrown out of the courtroom.
[34:20.000 --> 34:22.000]  Who, what, your attorney?
[34:22.000 --> 34:24.000]  Well, it wasn't technically my attorney.
[34:24.000 --> 34:26.000]  It was the person I was helping out.
[34:26.000 --> 34:28.000]  But it wasn't even her attorney.
[34:28.000 --> 34:29.000]  It was just House counsel.
[34:29.000 --> 34:34.000]  It was, you know, the defendant's attorney.
[34:34.000 --> 34:40.000]  He looked to the bailiff and he said, bailiff, can you have him thrown out of here?
[34:40.000 --> 34:43.000]  They had me thrown out of this courtroom.
[34:43.000 --> 34:52.000]  File criminal charges against the, I'd file a bar grievance and file criminal charges against the attorney
[34:52.000 --> 34:55.000]  for denying you a public court.
[34:55.000 --> 35:03.000]  Well, and when he did that, I stopped and I said, you know, I looked at the security officer
[35:03.000 --> 35:06.000]  and I said, can I just get his name and his bar number?
[35:06.000 --> 35:11.000]  And she said, if you don't get out of here right now, we're going to toss you down in the holding cell.
[35:11.000 --> 35:12.000]  And I thought about it for a minute.
[35:12.000 --> 35:16.000]  I thought, do I want to do this today?
[35:16.000 --> 35:18.000]  No, I'm not going to do it right now.
[35:18.000 --> 35:23.000]  So I went upstairs to the chief judge's office and got everybody's name
[35:23.000 --> 35:27.000]  and their information and filed a complaint with the chief judge.
[35:27.000 --> 35:30.000]  But I fully intend to.
[35:30.000 --> 35:34.000]  But I'm wondering, is there any kind of standing?
[35:34.000 --> 35:35.000]  I wasn't a defendant.
[35:35.000 --> 35:38.000]  It wasn't my case.
[35:38.000 --> 35:43.000]  Is there any kind of standing that I have to go after this little bastard?
[35:43.000 --> 35:46.000]  Oh, sorry.
[35:46.000 --> 35:50.000]  Well, he ordered your assault for one thing.
[35:50.000 --> 35:55.000]  Remind this guy that we have affiliates.
[35:55.000 --> 36:01.000]  Is he one of our affiliates?
[36:01.000 --> 36:07.000]  You may get away with that on AM, buddy.
[36:07.000 --> 36:09.000]  Man, this guy needs a bar grievance.
[36:09.000 --> 36:18.000]  You have standing as a citizen if he is paid by the state and not by the litigant.
[36:18.000 --> 36:19.000]  Yep.
[36:19.000 --> 36:21.000]  Then you have standing.
[36:21.000 --> 36:25.000]  He's your employee.
[36:25.000 --> 36:27.000]  Now, did he technically deny it?
[36:27.000 --> 36:29.000]  Court was not inspected.
[36:29.000 --> 36:32.000]  We were just standing in the courtroom.
[36:32.000 --> 36:34.000]  But I didn't assault him.
[36:34.000 --> 36:38.000]  All I said was something that he didn't appreciate.
[36:38.000 --> 36:41.000]  And he used it to have me escorted from the courtroom.
[36:41.000 --> 36:43.000]  Yeah.
[36:43.000 --> 36:48.000]  He had you assaulted by a guy with a pistol.
[36:48.000 --> 36:49.000]  Or a gal with a pistol.
[36:49.000 --> 36:50.000]  Or a person with a pistol.
[36:50.000 --> 36:57.000]  I always take that real serious.
[36:57.000 --> 37:04.000]  That is aggravated assault in virtually any state of the union.
[37:04.000 --> 37:07.000]  I spent too much time on the sharp end of those things.
[37:07.000 --> 37:11.000]  When someone starts getting testy with me and they're wearing a pistol,
[37:11.000 --> 37:14.000]  they really get my attention.
[37:14.000 --> 37:22.000]  And they really need to be careful.
[37:22.000 --> 37:23.000]  Okay.
[37:23.000 --> 37:24.000]  Okay.
[37:24.000 --> 37:25.000]  Fair enough.
[37:25.000 --> 37:26.000]  Yeah.
[37:26.000 --> 37:27.000]  We're going to do that.
[37:27.000 --> 37:29.000]  But the good news is, like I said, the case was dismissed.
[37:29.000 --> 37:32.000]  This is something we've been working on for a while.
[37:32.000 --> 37:35.000]  So the person I was helping out was pretty happy about that.
[37:35.000 --> 37:37.000]  That was a victory.
[37:37.000 --> 37:39.000]  Good work.
[37:39.000 --> 37:45.000]  The other thing that I noticed, which I found funny, and this is I think where he got pissed off at me too,
[37:45.000 --> 37:50.000]  was when they came back I said, well, we want this dismissed with prejudice.
[37:50.000 --> 37:56.000]  And he came back and this House counsel, you know, when he was still amicable, said, no, no,
[37:56.000 --> 37:58.000]  they're not going to dismiss it with prejudice.
[37:58.000 --> 38:07.000]  They're going to dismiss it without prejudice because we haven't sworn anybody in or gone through any kind of deposition.
[38:07.000 --> 38:16.000]  So on the dismissal, it says, dismiss without prejudice, stipulation as to probable cause.
[38:16.000 --> 38:22.000]  And I realized right away when he said stipulation as to probable cause,
[38:22.000 --> 38:31.000]  they wanted to ensure that, you know, all their bogus warrants or, you know,
[38:31.000 --> 38:39.000]  the false arrest charges would go away so that we couldn't go back after the city.
[38:39.000 --> 38:45.000]  And that's the first time that I've seen that.
[38:45.000 --> 38:51.000]  Stipulation, oh, stipulation as to probable cause, stating that they had probable cause?
[38:51.000 --> 38:54.000]  Yes, to make the arrest.
[38:54.000 --> 38:55.000]  Oh, okay.
[38:55.000 --> 39:03.000]  Basically, if you want this to go away, you have to agree that we had a reason to arrest you in the first place.
[39:03.000 --> 39:04.000]  Won't help.
[39:04.000 --> 39:07.000]  Still go after them civilly.
[39:07.000 --> 39:08.000]  Yeah, that's what I thought.
[39:08.000 --> 39:11.000]  And she didn't sign anything anyway.
[39:11.000 --> 39:18.000]  Well, they can't make you waive a right in order to exercise another.
[39:18.000 --> 39:20.000]  Another good point.
[39:20.000 --> 39:26.000]  Yeah, these guys tried a whole heap of stuff and it didn't work out real well for them.
[39:26.000 --> 39:29.000]  So that's actually very encouraging.
[39:29.000 --> 39:36.000]  Well, guys, I wanted to update you, get your ideas on this, and I'll let you move on.
[39:36.000 --> 39:37.000]  Thanks for calling.
[39:37.000 --> 39:39.000]  All right, thank you for calling, Mark.
[39:39.000 --> 39:40.000]  Thanks, guys.
[39:40.000 --> 39:41.000]  Okay, have a good night.
[39:41.000 --> 39:45.000]  Okay, we're going now to Tim in Texas.
[39:45.000 --> 39:46.000]  Hey, Tim, thanks for calling in.
[39:46.000 --> 39:48.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[39:48.000 --> 39:49.000]  Well, good evening, everybody.
[39:49.000 --> 39:51.000]  You guys are spot on tonight.
[39:51.000 --> 39:52.000]  This probably will only take a couple of minutes.
[39:52.000 --> 39:56.000]  I just wanted to bring you up to date on a couple of things.
[39:56.000 --> 40:00.000]  First off, when Don was talking earlier about the flowchart for the process, I really agree with him.
[40:00.000 --> 40:02.000]  I think it would be a good thing.
[40:02.000 --> 40:05.000]  And Eddie, I just sent you an email a little while ago.
[40:05.000 --> 40:13.000]  I'd like to offer to help create that if I could get some kind of an outline from you guys to save you and Randy some time.
[40:13.000 --> 40:17.000]  So if you need some help with that, just let me know.
[40:17.000 --> 40:23.000]  Just for the record, I was just going to suggest that he do that.
[40:23.000 --> 40:26.000]  Yeah, I was.
[40:26.000 --> 40:31.000]  I was thinking that is a great idea.
[40:31.000 --> 40:41.000]  He was exactly right that we don't talk about these things in the order they come to us, you know, in the order they should be done.
[40:41.000 --> 40:44.000]  And we talk about them in the order they come to us.
[40:44.000 --> 40:50.000]  And so the listener tends to not have them all in a coherent order.
[40:50.000 --> 40:52.000]  So I think that is a wonderful idea.
[40:52.000 --> 40:53.000]  Okay.
[40:53.000 --> 40:59.000]  So I hope you guys will accept my offer to do that because I'll get right on it and get it back to you really, really quick.
[40:59.000 --> 41:00.000]  Appreciate it, Jim.
[41:00.000 --> 41:05.000]  That's also going to help because that case I was trying to help with the scale at work,
[41:05.000 --> 41:11.000]  we weren't really sure what order in which to file and when we could do certain things.
[41:11.000 --> 41:14.000]  So I think that would help a great deal.
[41:14.000 --> 41:25.000]  And also in that case there, when she called down to the court after they had issued warrants because she couldn't go to the hearing,
[41:25.000 --> 41:28.000]  she asked what was in her file and the court said nothing.
[41:28.000 --> 41:34.000]  So I think I may need to make a trip down there and pull the file and see if I can get them to deny me access to the file.
[41:34.000 --> 41:39.000]  And if it's empty, we got them for concealment.
[41:39.000 --> 41:46.000]  Oh, I always like it when I can get them to do stupid stuff.
[41:46.000 --> 41:47.000]  Yeah, the one thing that I was-
[41:47.000 --> 41:56.000]  They think they're smart and pushing me around and wonder why I'm standing there grinning.
[41:56.000 --> 42:00.000]  The one thing I wish I'd done differently, I think I mentioned this before, was that when she went,
[42:00.000 --> 42:06.000]  the clerk called her into the clerk's office to talk about it and I went with her.
[42:06.000 --> 42:09.000]  The clerk said, well, we don't need you here for this and I should have stood my ground.
[42:09.000 --> 42:11.000]  You talk about getting nervous in the court.
[42:11.000 --> 42:15.000]  I was actually a little bit nervous that day and I kind of backed down and walked out.
[42:15.000 --> 42:22.000]  I should have just stood there and said, no, I'm here as a witness and smiled at her.
[42:22.000 --> 42:28.000]  Okay, the other thing is, you remember the letter I sent you with my state rep regarding the questions on the transportation code
[42:28.000 --> 42:30.000]  and I got responses?
[42:30.000 --> 42:31.000]  Yes, sir.
[42:31.000 --> 42:37.000]  Okay, if it's okay, I'd prefer not to mention his name just because I've still got a natural dialogue going with him.
[42:37.000 --> 42:41.000]  I sent another question regarding, I think, Randy,
[42:41.000 --> 42:47.000]  I'd asked you a question before about if credit unions fall under the finance code
[42:47.000 --> 42:54.000]  and we were talking about that a week or two ago.
[42:54.000 --> 42:56.000]  I don't remember exactly.
[42:56.000 --> 43:06.000]  Well, it had to do with whether or not the credit unions have to return the note once the note's been paid off.
[43:06.000 --> 43:10.000]  Yes, that's a real technical question and I didn't get an answer.
[43:10.000 --> 43:13.000]  Well, basically, that's really not the gist of the question.
[43:13.000 --> 43:18.000]  What I did was when I sent him that first question regarding the transportation code,
[43:18.000 --> 43:21.000]  he sent me back that letter that I forwarded you guys
[43:21.000 --> 43:27.000]  is basically him giving me his interpretation of what the law says, right?
[43:27.000 --> 43:33.000]  So in this second question I sent to him, in the second paragraph, this is what he wrote back to me.
[43:33.000 --> 43:36.000]  He says, uh-oh, music.
[43:36.000 --> 43:38.000]  Yes, just hang on the line, Tim.
[43:38.000 --> 43:40.000]  We'll pick this up on the other side.
[43:40.000 --> 43:41.000]  Great.
[43:41.000 --> 43:46.000]  All right, we've got Jim from Texas also, Gary from Texas, you guys are next.
[43:46.000 --> 43:48.000]  This is the rule of law.
[43:48.000 --> 43:52.000]  Randy, Eddie, Debra, we'll be right back.
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[45:24.000 --> 45:34.000]  Always, I must be careful what I'm wishing for When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for
[45:34.000 --> 45:46.000]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton I'm just here making my living pushing buttons
[45:46.000 --> 45:58.000]  I get my message out to anyone in short and distance But both my bravery and against slavery show resistance
[45:58.000 --> 46:09.000]  First I'm crawling, then I'm walking, then I start struggling I'm just so glad to make my living pushing buttons
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[46:20.000 --> 46:25.000]  When we sat down to play Monopoly, we all wanted to win the game
[46:25.000 --> 46:31.000]  We gave some guy endless money supply, but they've not been thinking their brains
[46:31.000 --> 46:39.000]  After some time, the words on my dime got beat down to them, they're nothing I might've been too long right to do
[46:39.000 --> 46:41.000]  I make my living pushing buttons
[46:41.000 --> 46:42.000]  Okay, we are back.
[46:42.000 --> 46:46.000]  We're speaking with Tim in Texas.
[46:46.000 --> 46:48.000]  Okay, Tim, go ahead.
[46:48.000 --> 46:54.000]  Okay, let me start off by just saying, our elected representatives, state representatives,
[46:54.000 --> 47:02.000]  I mean, isn't it one of their duties to interpret law as they're voting on it and writing it?
[47:02.000 --> 47:06.000]  No, they don't interpret, they formulate.
[47:06.000 --> 47:07.000]  Oh, really?
[47:07.000 --> 47:09.000]  Well, they're the ones that are making the law.
[47:09.000 --> 47:16.000]  Yeah, they're the lawmakers, so they need to be figuring out what the law means as they're writing it, I suppose,
[47:16.000 --> 47:18.000]  but I mean, they certainly have an intention.
[47:18.000 --> 47:25.000]  Yeah, interpretation should only become necessary when the words of the law itself is ambiguous
[47:25.000 --> 47:29.000]  to the extent that direct reading does not produce a desired result.
[47:29.000 --> 47:34.000]  Otherwise, interpretation should be completely unnecessary.
[47:34.000 --> 47:40.000]  Well, that really goes to one of the things that Ken and I had talked about,
[47:40.000 --> 47:53.000]  is asking the legislature when they pass these laws to prepare a statement of intent,
[47:53.000 --> 48:00.000]  because what the courts do is they try to interpret the legislative intent.
[48:00.000 --> 48:08.000]  So I want the legislator to put something in there that more clearly explains their intent.
[48:08.000 --> 48:20.000]  I was just reading some case law where they said that a single legislator's statements do not amount to legislative intent,
[48:20.000 --> 48:29.000]  even if it's the statements by the drafter of the legislation.
[48:29.000 --> 48:31.000]  Say what?
[48:31.000 --> 48:38.000]  Yeah, well, unfortunately, it's going to be really hard to get them to write their legislative intent,
[48:38.000 --> 48:42.000]  because in all reality, our legislators don't write the law.
[48:42.000 --> 48:44.000]  They don't even read them.
[48:44.000 --> 48:45.000]  They don't even read them.
[48:45.000 --> 48:51.000]  These think tanks and lobbyist groups and all these high-powered attorneys for all these lobbyists and think tanks
[48:51.000 --> 48:58.000]  and policy agencies, policy councils and such, they're the ones that write the law.
[48:58.000 --> 49:09.000]  I wasn't advocating that here. I was just saying that it is the judges don't so much interpret the law,
[49:09.000 --> 49:13.000]  is they interpret the judicial intent.
[49:13.000 --> 49:20.000]  So no, the legislatures don't interpret it because they already know, supposedly know what their intent is.
[49:20.000 --> 49:27.000]  It is the courts who supposedly try to figure out what that intent was.
[49:27.000 --> 49:37.000]  And that's why we had talked about seeing if we could get legislators to draft a statement of intent.
[49:37.000 --> 49:42.000]  Well, what I've got in front of me is two separate letters that, to me, are a conflicting statement.
[49:42.000 --> 49:47.000]  And let me just read these two sentences to you and tell me whether you think that this is conflicting.
[49:47.000 --> 49:51.000]  On the one side, what I was asking him questions about the Transportation Code,
[49:51.000 --> 49:58.000]  he writes, the legislative intent and substance of Chapter 501 and 502 clearly established
[49:58.000 --> 50:04.000]  that a private motor vehicle must obtain a certificate of title and register.
[50:04.000 --> 50:10.000]  Now, the other sentence, it says, as a state representative, I do not interpret or enforce state laws.
[50:10.000 --> 50:15.000]  Therefore, I submitted a legislative inquiry on your behalf.
[50:15.000 --> 50:20.000]  So am I misreading that? I mean, don't those two conflict with each other?
[50:20.000 --> 50:26.000]  No, he just sent an inquiry. He sent a letter. Hey, guys, what's going on?
[50:26.000 --> 50:33.000]  This guy asked me a question. Give me an answer that I can give him so he'll go away and leave me alone.
[50:33.000 --> 50:36.000]  That's what his legislative inquiry was.
[50:36.000 --> 50:40.000]  Well, actually, the response I got back from the legislative inquiry was more specific
[50:40.000 --> 50:44.000]  and less vague than his response in the first letter.
[50:44.000 --> 50:46.000]  Interesting.
[50:46.000 --> 50:47.000]  Yeah.
[50:47.000 --> 50:50.000]  Can you read us that one?
[50:50.000 --> 50:56.000]  Well, that was the first letter that I sent to you guys.
[50:56.000 --> 50:58.000]  Oh, okay.
[50:58.000 --> 51:01.000]  So anyway, that's really all I wanted to clarify on that.
[51:01.000 --> 51:06.000]  Yeah, you noticed that everything in his response, he kept using the word private,
[51:06.000 --> 51:12.000]  yet not at any time in any section that he referenced does the word private appear.
[51:12.000 --> 51:14.000]  Right.
[51:14.000 --> 51:21.000]  And he is making an inference about what that particular section means when it's quite obvious
[51:21.000 --> 51:30.000]  that he has not bothered to research the same section that defines the words that's being used.
[51:30.000 --> 51:31.000]  Yep.
[51:31.000 --> 51:33.000]  Well, anyways, I appreciate it.
[51:33.000 --> 51:38.000]  Deborah, just wanted to let you know I got signed up for the seminar, so I'll see you guys at Austin.
[51:38.000 --> 51:39.000]  Awesome.
[51:39.000 --> 51:40.000]  And be good to go. It'll be a good time.
[51:40.000 --> 51:42.000]  Awesome. Thank you.
[51:42.000 --> 51:44.000]  All right. Thanks a lot, guys. Have a good night.
[51:44.000 --> 51:47.000]  All right. Thank you.
[51:47.000 --> 51:49.000]  Okay. We're going to move on now.
[51:49.000 --> 51:52.000]  We've got Jim from Texas.
[51:52.000 --> 51:53.000]  Jim, thanks for calling in.
[51:53.000 --> 51:55.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[51:55.000 --> 52:01.000]  Well, I had some information that was going to be kind of exciting for me, I think.
[52:01.000 --> 52:03.000]  And I found out about a little town.
[52:03.000 --> 52:14.000]  I made a trip down to the city hall and asked to see the city ordinances.
[52:14.000 --> 52:19.000]  And they don't know where they're all at.
[52:19.000 --> 52:23.000]  And that surprises you.
[52:23.000 --> 52:26.000]  They said they found some of them in a drawer.
[52:26.000 --> 52:28.000]  They found some of them in a drawer?
[52:28.000 --> 52:30.000]  Well, that's nice.
[52:30.000 --> 52:33.000]  The police chief has a few of them.
[52:33.000 --> 52:41.000]  And it had been brought up at the last city council meeting, some statements about them,
[52:41.000 --> 52:44.000]  that they needed to be updated and everything.
[52:44.000 --> 52:52.000]  So the city is going to take on the job of basically rewriting them all.
[52:52.000 --> 52:56.000]  It's a very small town, about 400 people.
[52:56.000 --> 53:04.000]  What they will almost certainly do is adopt the universal codes.
[53:04.000 --> 53:06.000]  That's what everybody's doing.
[53:06.000 --> 53:10.000]  There's a set of standard codes that everybody's adopting.
[53:10.000 --> 53:11.000]  Oh, boy.
[53:11.000 --> 53:14.000]  The Agenda 21 business is going to come in.
[53:14.000 --> 53:16.000]  Mark my words.
[53:16.000 --> 53:18.000]  Well, I don't know.
[53:18.000 --> 53:25.000]  The lady that I talked to, it's her job to type them all out and present each one.
[53:25.000 --> 53:30.000]  Each one that we have that they found, most of these were written back in the 60s,
[53:30.000 --> 53:33.000]  so they're outdated to start with.
[53:33.000 --> 53:38.000]  They have to be redone every so often.
[53:38.000 --> 53:41.000]  Well, hopefully they won't be adopting the universal code.
[53:41.000 --> 53:46.000]  I mean, that's the whole problem is that these universal codes are coming in,
[53:46.000 --> 53:49.000]  and it's all coming down from Agenda 21.
[53:49.000 --> 53:55.000]  I mean, cities and states should have different ordinances from each other.
[53:55.000 --> 53:58.000]  States should have different kinds of laws from each other,
[53:58.000 --> 54:01.000]  because they're different people, they're different locations,
[54:01.000 --> 54:07.000]  and things have to be customized to the particular people's needs at that particular location.
[54:07.000 --> 54:10.000]  Well, I'd argue that to some degree.
[54:10.000 --> 54:13.000]  And in fact, in the seminar material, I kind of point that out.
[54:13.000 --> 54:19.000]  The federal Constitution has a specific clause in it that says that the laws
[54:19.000 --> 54:24.000]  and rulings of the courts of all the states shall be uniform.
[54:24.000 --> 54:29.000]  Now, if you read that directly, this is the way that I came up with that was meant to apply,
[54:29.000 --> 54:35.000]  and it is extremely ingenious of the foresightness that the Founding Fathers had.
[54:35.000 --> 54:41.000]  But basically speaking, the way it would read to me is that this means that any law
[54:41.000 --> 54:46.000]  that any state passes that directly affects the people,
[54:46.000 --> 54:52.000]  that law must be agreed upon and uniform in every state.
[54:52.000 --> 54:57.000]  Now, as far as regulating it, yeah, and as far as regulating the business
[54:57.000 --> 55:02.000]  or the actual land and so on and so forth, they can vary from state to state that way.
[55:02.000 --> 55:07.000]  But what is a crime in one state must be the same crime in every state.
[55:07.000 --> 55:10.000]  The punishment must be the same in every state.
[55:10.000 --> 55:13.000]  The rules for going to court must be the same in every state.
[55:13.000 --> 55:17.000]  The rules for presenting documentation in court should be the same in every state.
[55:17.000 --> 55:22.000]  I honestly believe that's exactly why that is in the Constitution,
[55:22.000 --> 55:25.000]  to ensure that no matter where the people were,
[55:25.000 --> 55:30.000]  they did not have to guess as to what their rights in that location would be,
[55:30.000 --> 55:35.000]  and that they could defend them the same way anywhere.
[55:35.000 --> 55:44.000]  That's important to create a set of states that people can move freely from one to the other.
[55:44.000 --> 55:48.000]  But now you're talking about as far as protecting rights is concerned.
[55:48.000 --> 55:49.000]  I mean...
[55:49.000 --> 55:52.000]  Any law that directly affects the people.
[55:52.000 --> 55:55.000]  If it's written and directed at the people,
[55:55.000 --> 56:02.000]  that clause in my interpretation means that law is to be the same law no matter where they are.
[56:02.000 --> 56:04.000]  I'm not sure that's the way it is right now, though.
[56:04.000 --> 56:06.000]  It's not. That's the problem.
[56:06.000 --> 56:09.000]  But it's close.
[56:09.000 --> 56:12.000]  So they try to keep it relatively close.
[56:12.000 --> 56:16.000]  But like you go to the Commonwealth and the laws,
[56:16.000 --> 56:20.000]  especially the procedures and such, can be quite a bit different.
[56:20.000 --> 56:25.000]  But see, the thing is, if they're going to start getting into, you know,
[56:25.000 --> 56:29.000]  regulating how the states legislate their laws,
[56:29.000 --> 56:33.000]  I mean, now you've got a situation where the federal government is interfering
[56:33.000 --> 56:37.000]  with the internal affairs of a sovereign state.
[56:37.000 --> 56:43.000]  Right, but the Congress, that does not grant Congress the power to legislate within the states.
[56:43.000 --> 56:49.000]  The Constitution that the states adopted is what set that limitation, not Congress.
[56:49.000 --> 56:54.000]  The states adopted the Constitution as it's written, including that clause,
[56:54.000 --> 57:00.000]  and they should be required to abide by that clause.
[57:00.000 --> 57:07.000]  The Congress would have nothing to do with it.
[57:07.000 --> 57:09.000]  Go ahead, Jim.
[57:09.000 --> 57:15.000]  I think my whole thing was that this is something that they're going to start undertaking
[57:15.000 --> 57:22.000]  and that being a small town, the people in the town have a lot of input in it.
[57:22.000 --> 57:28.000]  Just like we were talking just a second ago, a statement of intent for these certain laws
[57:28.000 --> 57:33.000]  using the stuff that Eddie's come up with as far as the traffic code
[57:33.000 --> 57:39.000]  that basically a municipality doesn't have the authority to enforce the state laws on,
[57:39.000 --> 57:45.000]  or the officers, the police officers, things like that that need to be brought up
[57:45.000 --> 57:50.000]  that are addressed when these things are being rewritten.
[57:50.000 --> 57:57.000]  And I'm really kind of looking forward to a lot of being able to put in some input into this
[57:57.000 --> 58:05.000]  to where hopefully by the end of this we'll have somewhat of a more fair system
[58:05.000 --> 58:10.000]  in this small town than a lot of these towns.
[58:10.000 --> 58:11.000]  Good.
[58:11.000 --> 58:12.000]  We can have an idea.
[58:12.000 --> 58:15.000]  Do you have anything else for us, Jim?
[58:15.000 --> 58:17.000]  No, that was my main thing.
[58:17.000 --> 58:20.000]  Okay.
[58:20.000 --> 58:23.000]  I think without the people having their input,
[58:23.000 --> 58:28.000]  this seems to me as though it's a perfect situation.
[58:28.000 --> 58:29.000]  All right.
[58:29.000 --> 58:31.000]  Well, thank you for calling in.
[58:31.000 --> 58:32.000]  All right.
[58:32.000 --> 58:33.000]  Take care.
[58:33.000 --> 58:34.000]  Okay.
[58:34.000 --> 58:39.000]  When we get back on the other side of the break, we've got Paul from USA, it says.
[58:39.000 --> 58:40.000]  All right, Paul.
[58:40.000 --> 58:42.000]  So we'll be taking your call as soon as we get back on the other side.
[58:42.000 --> 58:44.000]  We've got one hour left.
[58:44.000 --> 58:49.000]  So callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[58:49.000 --> 58:51.000]  We've just got Paul and that's it.
[58:51.000 --> 58:56.000]  We've got one hour left to call in if you'd like to talk on the air.
[58:56.000 --> 59:02.000]  We'll be right back.
[59:02.000 --> 59:06.000]  Hi, this is Norman Horn from the UT Austin Libertarian Longhorns,
[59:06.000 --> 59:12.000]  and I want to invite you to the Students for Liberty Texas Conference on October 24, 2009,
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[59:20.000 --> 59:24.000]  The speakers include Vice President of the Cato Institute, Gene Healy, as the keynote,
[59:24.000 --> 59:28.000]  renowned author and activist, Mary Brewer, and many more.
[59:28.000 --> 59:31.000]  To top it off, policy groups from all over Texas will be present
[59:31.000 --> 59:34.000]  for a roundtable discussion about local activism.
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[01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:36.000]  Mesood also said he will send soldiers to the Indian border to fight there
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[01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.000]  and may modify or end it.
[01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.000]  9-11 prompted George Bush to launch preemptive military action
[01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:55.000]  against groups or countries that threaten the U.S.
[01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.000]  Afghanistan's ambassador to the U.S., Saeed Taib-Jawad,
[01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:06.000]  says Afghanistan is likely to hold a runoff election.
[01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:11.000]  This follows widespread reports the first election was fraudulent.
[01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:16.000]  Jawad said the constitution requires a runoff be done within two weeks,
[01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.000]  but that's impossible, so four weeks will push it into early November.
[01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:25.000]  That's the latest it will happen because after that it will be extremely cold.
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[01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:58.000]  Karzai's chief rival, former Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah,
[01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:03.000]  said earlier he hoped investigations into ballot stuffing would result in a runoff.
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[01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:26.000]  Yeah, a story forever must be told
[01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:31.000]  Like how we're not gonna give in to fear
[01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.000]  Yeah, a story
[01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.000]  A story, a story
[01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.000]  How will I ever find my father's house
[01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.000]  Until he returns
[01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:51.000]  How will I ever find my father's house
[01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.000]  Because the way we've been raised and we're taught
[01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.000]  I will aim at my concern
[01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:02.000]  How will I ever find my father's house
[01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:06.000]  Yeah, I will find my father's house
[01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.000]  Until I reach fame
[01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:13.000]  How will I ever find my father's house
[01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:17.000]  Because the way we've been raised and we're taught
[01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:20.000]  I will aim at my concern
[01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.000]  How will I ever find my father's house
[01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.000]  Because the way we've been raised and we're taught
[01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.000]  I will find my father's house
[01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:35.000]  Until I reach fame
[01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:39.000]  How will I ever find my father's house
[01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:43.000]  Paul, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  How you doing?
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:50.000]  Well, it's not just USA. When I called in I said
[01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.000]  the country that's the biggest threat to world peace
[01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.000]  and of course that would be the USA.
[01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:01.000]  I'd like to start off with something positive. I'd like to say that
[01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.000]  your bumping music, I liked your bumper music and I liked the part where
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.000]  the guy, the British gentleman came in with some
[01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.000]  news pieces other than the fact that he failed to mention
[01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:17.000]  that Harmar Karzai was the Unicow
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.000]  representative and they blew that country up and then installed
[01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.000]  a board member of the
[01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:29.000]  Unicow corporation. So what we have
[01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.000]  is a corporate head running Afghanistan. And that was
[01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:37.000]  unfortunate that he didn't point that out. But I have a question and since I'm the only
[01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:41.000]  caller, maybe we can take some time to answer my
[01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.000]  question. And I hope that I get this, I
[01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:49.000]  hear people all the time calling me negative. And really it's because
[01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.000]  I disagree with their approach. But I'm not here to disagree
[01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:57.000]  with your approach. I'm here to ask you a question and I would like
[01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.000]  it to be answered in the most scientifically
[01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  way possible that you can. And the question is
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.000]  I've seen a lot of things. You know, you've got these
[01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.000]  different groups. You've got the Jesuits. You've got the
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:17.000]  people who point out that yeah, the Jews are definitely one quarter
[01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.000]  of one percent of the population is in control of
[01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:25.000]  some very high level areas that affect people's lives.
[01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:29.000]  But they keep on wanting to be in denial about that. But that's another story.
[01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  But the thing is, my point is there's all these different groups,
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.000]  different flavors of how they're going to take on the federal government
[01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:41.000]  and make their life better. And my question to you is
[01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.000]  I've been listening to this for a very long time and
[01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:49.000]  your approach is one of the oldest ones, which is this law
[01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:53.000]  constitution and we're going to do it through the legal and your guest or the
[01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  caller was talking about how he interprets, it doesn't matter how he
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.000]  interprets the law, it's how the Supreme Court is going to interpret it for you.
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.000]  But my point is
[01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:09.000]  what effects have you really made with this approach? And if you
[01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:13.000]  haven't made any real, well, it's years later. And this
[01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:17.000]  approach, this law and this, that, it's been going on for many years.
[01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  We've made a lot of changes, Paul. I can promise you that.
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.000]  We have seen so many changes that we have made
[01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.000]  in just the last two years. Wait a minute, I think you have.
[01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:33.000]  You have a website on this, a pen and paper ready where you can show me
[01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:37.000]  all these documented cases. Wait a minute, Paul, are you saying
[01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:41.000]  that you want us to specify
[01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.000]  and stipulate and document precisely how
[01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.000]  in a couple of years we're going to change
[01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.000]  6,000 years of human history.
[01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:57.000]  Now, what I'm saying, sir, is exactly what I said. The approach you're
[01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.000]  using, see, I know the approach that works.
[01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:05.000]  And no one's using it. And I understand why.
[01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:09.000]  That's where I thought we were going. What is the approach that works?
[01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.000]  The approach that works is getting up and getting something
[01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.000]  done. What I found is... Wait a minute, that's pretty vague and non-specific.
[01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:21.000]  We're getting up and getting stuff done, I can tell you that right now. And so are a lot of our
[01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  callers. If you've been listening to our show for any length of time, you'll hear
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.000]  the repeat callers calling in that are using these techniques and they call in
[01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.000]  and talk about their victories and what they've accomplished and what they've gotten done and the changes
[01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.000]  they've made in their own communities and in their own legal systems and the judges
[01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.000]  they've gotten removed and on and on and on. So I don't really quite know where you're coming from because
[01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.000]  we do get up and get a lot done. So do our listeners.
[01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:49.000]  What do you mean by get up and get something done? What are you talking about
[01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.000]  and what are you getting done? Well, mainly the audience that you're talking to.
[01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:57.000]  They talk this legal talk.
[01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.000]  Just like the Alex Jones followers talk, that Jones talk. But it's always
[01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:05.000]  arm-shared discussions. Now I have no doubt. Stop. Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:09.000]  I have no... What arm-shared discussions? People are out there
[01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.000]  filing documents and winning court cases, sir.
[01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  I don't know what you're talking about. These are not arm-shared discussions.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.000]  And the listeners and our audience are not necessarily
[01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:25.000]  legal mumbo jumbo people. We're being broadcast on over 20am
[01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.000]  in FM radio stations across the country to the general public.
[01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:33.000]  And we are broadcasting to the public and they are waking up and doing things and
[01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.000]  getting things done. So I really don't quite understand where you're
[01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:41.000]  coming from here. Okay, well here's where I'm coming from.
[01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.000]  If the approach works, why are we still in the shape we're in?
[01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:49.000]  Oh, I see. You want, you expect that
[01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.000]  two people will in two years change
[01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.000]  a million. I didn't say two people. I'm talking about the technology you're using.
[01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.000]  I'm not even talking about you two. I'm talking about the technology you're using across the internet.
[01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.000]  Two weeks ago, the DPS
[01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.000]  was trying to prosecute me to keep me from
[01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.000]  suing the crap out of them. We got in
[01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.000]  court and everything the prosecutor wanted to do
[01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:21.000]  I told my attorney, tell them to go scratch.
[01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.000]  I want my documents in front of this court.
[01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:29.000]  And I've been able to get
[01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:33.000]  the prosecutor, the county prosecutor
[01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:37.000]  in Williamson County to change his ways and
[01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  stop breaking the law. And now in Williamson
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  I'm going to talk for a second. Now in Williamson, you asked a question, we're going to
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.000]  answer it. Now in Williamson County, because of the work that Randy and I have done, they don't
[01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:53.000]  break the law anymore up there when the documents
[01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:57.000]  from the magistrate are now filed with the court clerk instead of
[01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.000]  being absconded by the prosecutor. I got him to confess
[01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.000]  to felony tampering with a government document in his own office in front of a
[01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:09.000]  lot of witnesses. And it was about a week after that that he stopped doing it
[01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.000]  and the whole system has changed up there just on that one point.
[01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:17.000]  So I don't want to hear any crap about that. We're not getting
[01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.000]  things done. Can I weigh in on what it sounds like you're saying here for a
[01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:25.000]  second? If I may, you're asking us
[01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:29.000]  what we can show that
[01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.000]  makes our method work better than any other or proves that it works better than
[01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:37.000]  any other. The only way that I can answer that is I can't.
[01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:41.000]  Why? Because I don't know personally firsthand
[01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:45.000]  every person out there that's doing what we're doing. I don't have the
[01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:49.000]  statistics to say whether it's working for everybody, half the people, three quarters
[01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:53.000]  or none. Do you? I have statistics that my
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.000]  motions have been filed in nine courts. And
[01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.000]  nine courts have dismissed. They dismissed a fourth
[01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:05.000]  DUI in Williamson County. Right now they're prosecuting a guy
[01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:09.000]  in Williamson County who got 55 years on his
[01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.000]  fourth DUI. I say they're working. Now
[01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.000]  you seem to be asking for something else. I think you
[01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:21.000]  seem to be asking for magic and implying
[01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:25.000]  that if we don't have magic then we're wasting
[01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:29.000]  our time. Or am I missing something? You asked for something
[01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:33.000]  specific and then you made extremely general
[01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:37.000]  statements with couched in
[01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:41.000]  unstated presupposition. Are you
[01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.000]  presupposing that if we haven't changed the world then we're totally wasting
[01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:49.000]  our time? Case number please. Case number please.
[01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:53.000]  Case number? For both of your cases. For both of your cases I would like to... Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
[01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.000]  You made this a lie? Can I have the case number so I can check into it sir?
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.000]  Have you? What? Wait a minute. Okay. What have you done? Yes or no. Yes or no sir.
[01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:05.000]  Stop trying to case a subject. Can I have both of the case numbers
[01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:09.000]  that you spoke about so I can research it? Absolutely.
[01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.000]  Give them your case number Randy.
[01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:17.000]  Sure. See the whole problem was that they never filed
[01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.000]  a case against Randy. That's what this was all about.
[01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  Are you going to come back on this case and say I was
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:29.000]  a smart aleck. I challenged him and I was wrong.
[01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.000]  Are you going to do that or are you just going to disappear and go
[01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:37.000]  stomp on someone else? Okay so you've only got one case number for one case.
[01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.000]  Okay I've heard you... Look I've had enough of this. I've had enough of this.
[01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:45.000]  Hold on Debra. Hold on. Hold on. Let's not get into censorship here.
[01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.000]  The fact of the matter is we don't know everybody that's
[01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.000]  using every document we produce. Now what Randy's talking about are the cases
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.000]  that involve him directly. As far as what's out there that the rest of the
[01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:01.000]  world is borrowing from us to use we don't know.
[01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  That doesn't mean it doesn't work just because we don't have the
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  direct information related to it.
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.000]  It's just really that simple. We can only verify the things that we
[01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:17.000]  are directly involved in. Okay.
[01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:31.000]  Yeah and I'm not into censorship but I'm not going to be insulted on my own show either.
[01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:35.000]  Alright well Randy's looking up his case. Do you have your case number
[01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  Randy? Yeah I'm digging that out here. Let's see.
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.000]  You've been pretty critical and you warned us that people
[01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.000]  tend to consider you rather negative.
[01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:53.000]  I would like to know what have you done
[01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:57.000]  to change things other than tell other people
[01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:01.000]  what they haven't done.
[01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:05.000]  Paul you there? You said you
[01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.000]  had a method that works. What is it?
[01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.000]  What works? Yeah. I'm going to give it to you.
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  But first I asked that lady for both of your case numbers.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.000]  I've heard you guys for many times talking about not just one case but many
[01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.000]  cases you have filed and I think I asked you before about where I can find you.
[01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.000]  You're not telling me what works. What you're doing is telling me what I didn't do.
[01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:33.000]  What works? I'm digging for the case numbers now.
[01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:37.000]  I don't memorize them as a rule. I tend to have them memorized
[01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:41.000]  when I'm working with them. Okay. What about you ma'am? You got case numbers?
[01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.000]  What about you? I asked you a question.
[01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.000]  You come on here telling us that we're lying to you and because we don't
[01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:53.000]  drag you into the case. Where were you when I asked you to come to court?
[01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  When I asked for court watching. Where were you then?
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:01.000]  Carolyn was there. Am I a bad person for asking you for proof?
[01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.000]  No. No but you're telling us you have something that
[01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:09.000]  defeats everything we're doing and has a bad... If you would have been listening to our show
[01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.000]  for any length of time you would have heard this already because we've already told
[01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.000]  these stories when we had the cases in front of us and we
[01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:21.000]  did say the case numbers sir and you can
[01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:25.000]  look them up and excuse us that we don't have all of our case
[01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:29.000]  numbers in front of us all the time. Maybe you should go back
[01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:33.000]  and listen to some of the archives. Okay.
[01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  We're going to move on when we get back on the other side.
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  Well you... I am. Okay so you can say what you want on the other
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:45.000]  side. I've had it. Alright. We'll be back
[01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.000]  and then we'll go to Gary, Joe and Robert.
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[01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:35.000]  We get a rain check
[01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:39.000]  If I can't get everything I need
[01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:43.000]  We get a rain check
[01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.000]  If people of the world
[01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:51.000]  Can get happiness and peace
[01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:55.000]  We get a rain check
[01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.000]  We can't get all these things
[01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:03.000]  We can't get all these crazy waters to see
[01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:07.000]  We need to get a rain check
[01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:25.000]  Looking for a little bitty smith in the hole
[01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:29.000]  Could I get a rain check
[01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:37.000]  I want to reach the top of the hill, sliding on the slippery slope
[01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:41.000]  Looking for a rain check
[01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.000]  Trying to get away from all this sorrow
[01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:55.000]  Can I get a rain check
[01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:59.000]  If not the same maybe some more
[01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:27.000]  We need to get a rain check
[01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:31.000]  We are back. Call board is stacking up and as we
[01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:35.000]  made a new change in our format about three weeks ago
[01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.000]  callers get one segment apiece. So I'm sorry Paul, you had your
[01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:43.000]  fifteen minutes. Randy's going to cite his case number and then we move on.
[01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.000]  So go ahead Randy. Case number for
[01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:51.000]  Travis County CR09150381
[01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:55.000]  If you go down, look in the
[01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:59.000]  files, you'll find stacks of motions in there
[01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:03.000]  Nothing was heard. All been dismissed.
[01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:07.000]  Never got to court. If you go to Williamson County
[01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:11.000]  you can verify that I was arrested by the TV
[01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:15.000]  programs. You can go to YouTube
[01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:19.000]  I'm sure you can still find it. I was arrested on TV
[01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.000]  but you will find no record of me in YSCAN. That's right, that's why there's not case
[01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:27.000]  numbers for some of those things. Because they don't send them to the court
[01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:31.000]  and that's what we stopped them from doing. That's what I did in the prosecutor's office that day
[01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:35.000]  The whole reason for all of that is because the prosecutor had confiscated
[01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.000]  the documents from the magistrate and they never got filed in the court. There never was
[01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:43.000]  a case. That's the whole point of all of this and we got him to fess up
[01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:47.000]  to it in his office and a week later that whole policy changed
[01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:51.000]  in Williamson County and now documents are filed
[01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:55.000]  in the record of the court by the magistrate.
[01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:59.000]  Excuse me for getting out of sorts but as often as I go to jail and get the crap beat
[01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:03.000]  out of me and keep doing this
[01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:07.000]  when I go to court it's always just me
[01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:11.000]  one or two other people occasionally show up. It's generally just me
[01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:15.000]  and then I got a chump like you actually sit
[01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:19.000]  there and call me a liar. And then everyone
[01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:23.000]  wants to know case numbers. I ask you what you do and nothing.
[01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:27.000]  I suppose people do call you negative. And sometimes
[01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:31.000]  there are no case numbers because the prosecutor secrets
[01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:35.000]  the documents away and there never is a case that ever exists
[01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:39.000]  and people sit in jail for two years and there's not even a case at all.
[01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:43.000]  That's the whole problem. Don't need to believe us.
[01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:47.000]  Just keep chomping everybody and keep doing what you're doing and ten years
[01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:51.000]  from now you're going to be where you are now
[01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:55.000]  and we're still going to be moving ahead in spite of guys like you.
[01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  And speaking of moving ahead, let's go on. We're speaking of moving ahead
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:03.000]  we're going to Gary in Texas. Gary, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind
[01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:07.000]  tonight? Gee, I'm following Paul. Aren't I
[01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:11.000]  the lucky one? I want to make
[01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:15.000]  a shameless plug for a couple seminars that are coming up
[01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:19.000]  at Brave New Books, if I may.
[01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:23.000]  The first one is tomorrow evening at 7 p.m.
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:27.000]  Dr. Ken O'Neill is going to be there talking about how to
[01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  build up your immune system using natural methods
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:35.000]  and you've played that advertisement a couple of times tonight. I want to tell you
[01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.000]  that Dr. O'Neill I'm proud to say is a friend of mine
[01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:43.000]  and I have taken his recommendations
[01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:47.000]  and it's made major, major changes in my
[01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:51.000]  physical well-being. And I think people really
[01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:55.000]  especially with this impending
[01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:59.000]  so-called flu epidemic, etc., etc., go get
[01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:03.000]  the straight socks. Dr. Ken will give you
[01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:07.000]  very, very believable, very doable, very efficient, very
[01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:11.000]  affordable things that you can do that will absolutely change
[01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:15.000]  the way your body reacts to the stuff that's going on.
[01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:19.000]  So that's my first shameless plug. The second shameless
[01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:23.000]  plug is next weekend your
[01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:27.000]  rule of law radio seminar, traffic seminar,
[01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:31.000]  and I just urge everybody, if you haven't, and myself included,
[01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:35.000]  I said this stuff today, Deborah, so if you haven't
[01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:39.000]  registered for that, make sure and register for that.
[01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:43.000]  One thing I wanted to tell you, and Randy, you and I have had conversations
[01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:47.000]  about this, myself, I'm just a novice,
[01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:51.000]  but personally I have had four
[01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:55.000]  cases that I have been successful in
[01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:59.000]  because of the knowledge that I have learned from
[01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.000]  you and Deborah and Craig, and Eddie Craig,
[01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:07.000]  and I'm just one guy, and I've had four.
[01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:11.000]  You know, now I've had two that I lost, but it wasn't
[01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.000]  because I did things wrong, it was simply because of the criminal element
[01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:19.000]  that exists in our judicial system.
[01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:23.000]  So I would just say, you know, there's nothing wrong with this
[01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:27.000]  guy asking questions about, you know, give me something to
[01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:31.000]  verify. I think what he lacks is the social skills to
[01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:35.000]  politely ask and get a positive answer.
[01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:39.000]  But there's nothing wrong with asking for verification, it's just that he didn't
[01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  go about it the right way. Oh sure, there's nothing wrong with asking for verification.
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:47.000]  I mean, but to sit there and accuse us of being armchair people that are
[01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:51.000]  engaging in nothing but armchair discussions when we're out there walking the walk
[01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:55.000]  and doing what we talk about, that's what I have a problem with.
[01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:59.000]  Oh yeah, if he would pay for the seminar and come down,
[01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:03.000]  he'd get to see me do the seminar with a tooth missing.
[01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.000]  Yeah.
[01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.000]  And Gary, maybe you could give out some of your case numbers for people like that too
[01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:15.000]  because he's going to accuse you of being a liar too. Well, I was thinking
[01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:19.000]  about that, and you know, I'd actually have to go in the files and look it up because
[01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:23.000]  I don't have them memorized, I don't carry them around with me.
[01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:27.000]  But I could produce them.
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:31.000]  Yeah, I could produce them, but that's not even the point. You know, the
[01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:35.000]  person asked a good question, but he just didn't know how to ask it.
[01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:39.000]  And that's probably why he's perceived as being negative. He just didn't have
[01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:43.000]  very good social skills. But nothing wrong with asking for verification.
[01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:47.000]  And nothing wrong with giving verification. Absolutely not.
[01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:51.000]  You're right, Gary. I do have to apologize to him
[01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:55.000]  because he warned me going in.
[01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  He gave me a fair warning. I shouldn't have took it quite so personal.
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:03.000]  It was obvious that he was doing a lot more than just asking for verification.
[01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:07.000]  You know, he was accusing us of a lot of stuff that
[01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:11.000]  wasn't true. And so I had to stick up for myself
[01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:15.000]  and for Randy and Eddie about this.
[01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.000]  I would just say, don't take it personal. Oh, no, I don't.
[01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:23.000]  And to that gentleman, don't take it personal either. You know, you just didn't ask the question
[01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:27.000]  nicely. But, you know, there's, like,
[01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:31.000]  an excellent, excellent point. There are so many of these cases
[01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:35.000]  that are filed that never get to court because
[01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:39.000]  they get thrown out for various reasons.
[01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:43.000]  For example, they don't want to deal with it.
[01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:47.000]  Oops, you got us caught. We're not going to get this on the record. How many hundreds of those
[01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:51.000]  have been thrown out? Yeah, and they never get filed
[01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:55.000]  in the first place is the whole problem.
[01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:59.000]  People sit in jail and,
[01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:03.000]  while the prosecutor waits to squeeze them for a deal, and the prosecutor's got
[01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:07.000]  all the paperwork, and the court does not even know that
[01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:11.000]  these people exist or that they're sitting in jail. Okay?
[01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:15.000]  There's not a case. There's nothing filed at all. It's nothing
[01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:19.000]  short of wrongful imprisonment, kidnapping, the whole
[01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:23.000]  nine yards. And so then these cases will get thrown out
[01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:27.000]  or dismissed, so to speak. The prosecutor will just dismiss the case
[01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:31.000]  and the court never even knew anything about it that is totally illegal.
[01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:35.000]  So a lot of times there's just no case numbers
[01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:39.000]  to give in these situations because there never was a case.
[01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:43.000]  And, you know, another thing that I would say to this other gentleman,
[01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:47.000]  he said that he had a remedy. Really, you know, what I'd like
[01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:51.000]  for him to do, and I hope that he does, is really, if he really
[01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:55.000]  does have a remedy that will help people, I hope he contacts
[01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:59.000]  you, like in writing or with email, and
[01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  gives you validation and verification and facts and et cetera, et cetera.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:07.000]  So if it's a benefit, you know, you guys can share it.
[01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:11.000]  You know, but I never heard him say what it was. No, he
[01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:15.000]  wouldn't tell us what it was other than just get up and do something, which is
[01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:19.000]  what we're already doing. Anyway, hopefully he'll do that, and if he's got a good
[01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.000]  point, hopefully he can make it, and it would be better for
[01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:27.000]  everybody else if he does that. But otherwise, I'd like to say, I'm
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:31.000]  looking forward to next weekend. Catch Dr. O'Neill's thing tomorrow evening. It's really
[01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:35.000]  going to be good. I look forward to seeing you all next weekend.
[01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.000]  I've got a gripe about you, Gary. I was
[01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:43.000]  having a lot of fun wallowing in self-pity, and you just ruined it all.
[01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:47.000]  Okay, well listen. All right, we're
[01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:51.000]  going back. Are you about done, Gary? I'm done. Okay, great.
[01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:55.000]  We're going to take Joe from Ohio next, and we'll get back on the other side. We'll be right back.
[01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:03.000]  Are you tired of being pulled over before you can find
[01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:07.000]  the time to get to registration or insurance for any resulting in traffic tickets, fines,
[01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:11.000]  and court appearances? Well, we can help. This is Eddie Craig from
[01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:15.000]  ruleoflawradio.com. Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton, and I would like to invite you to
[01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:19.000]  attend our upcoming traffic law seminar on October 24th and 25th
[01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:23.000]  at Brave New Books, located at 1904 Guadalupe Street in Austin, Texas.
[01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:27.000]  The seminar will run both Saturday and Sunday from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m.
[01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:31.000]  We will teach you how to read, research, and understand the statute relating
[01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.000]  to driver's licenses, registration, and insurance, as well as seat belts
[01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:39.000]  and DUIs. You will learn how to exercise your right to liberty in traveling your
[01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:43.000]  automobile, and you will do it using the law. No magic beans, silver bullets,
[01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:47.000]  or obtuse legal mumbo jumbo. We will teach you the truth using
[01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:51.000]  existing case law and statutes alongside the Texas Constitution.
[01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.000]  So if you want to learn how to fight back and win, come see us at the seminar.
[01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.000]  Check out www.ruleoflawradio.com for more details.
[01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:13.000]  And we hope to see you there.
[01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:39.000]  Music
[01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:49.000]  Music
[01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:57.000]  Music
[01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.000]  To take off the silly mask
[01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:03.000]  In the light of day we all will abide
[01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:06.000]  To the tools of ingenuity
[01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:09.000]  Against the workers of iniquity
[01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:12.000]  Tools of ingenuity
[01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:37.000]  Against the workers of iniquity
[01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:40.000]  Ok, we are back
[01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.000]  All right
[01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:45.000]  Again, callers
[01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:46.000]  Ok, we're going to go through
[01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.000]  We've got Joe, Robert and Steve
[01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:51.000]  And we don't censor here on Rule of Law Radio
[01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:53.000]  We don't mind debating with people
[01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:55.000]  If you want to debate with us, that's fine
[01:32:55.000 --> 01:33:00.000]  But I'm sorry, I personally can't tolerate being personally insulted on the air on my own show
[01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:01.000]  That's where I draw the line
[01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:03.000]  So it's not a censorship issue
[01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.000]  I mean, if people want to stick to the facts, stick to the content
[01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:10.000]  But once the character assassinations start of ourselves
[01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.000]  And our listeners for that matter
[01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:14.000]  Character assassinating our listeners
[01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:15.000]  I'm sorry, got to draw the line
[01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.000]  So all right, we're going to Joe in Ohio
[01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:20.000]  All right, Joe, thanks for calling in
[01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:21.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:22.000]  Yes, hi
[01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:25.000]  A couple callers ago you had a fellow
[01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:27.000]  Had a traffic ticket
[01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.000]  And part of the discussion centered around
[01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.000]  When he went to appeal it
[01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:39.000]  The issue was he wasn't responsible for taking the records of the lower court up to the appellate court
[01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.000]  Or the nekire court there
[01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:45.000]  And that was supposed to be the responsibility of the lower court
[01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:48.000]  I want to tell you a problem I had with that
[01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.000]  Some years ago, it was a traffic ticket
[01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.000]  Went to municipal court
[01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:55.000]  Found guilty, I appealed it
[01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:57.000]  I got all my witnesses
[01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:59.000]  I was going after the policeman
[01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:01.000]  I was trying to prove he wasn't a policeman
[01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:04.000]  And I subpoenaed my hostile witnesses
[01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:06.000]  Chief of police and all that
[01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:08.000]  Go to court, the prosecutor's there
[01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:10.000]  My hostile witnesses are there, I'm there
[01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:15.000]  And a judge comes in and he opens up with asking me what's this all about
[01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.000]  I started explaining it to him
[01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:19.000]  He says, mister, my name
[01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:21.000]  I don't know what you're talking about
[01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.000]  I have no idea what you're talking about
[01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:25.000]  And I didn't know how to answer that
[01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:33.000]  But the bottom line was the lower court didn't send up any paperwork to the district court over there
[01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:35.000]  What state is this?
[01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:37.000]  New Mexico
[01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:41.000]  So all my efforts were dashed
[01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:46.000]  All the work I did to get these people served and everything
[01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:48.000]  It continued
[01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:50.000]  And it was like, oh my
[01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:53.000]  So you got to watch that stuff
[01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:55.000]  Yeah, you do
[01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:59.000]  Now this is exactly what the code of criminal procedure here in Texas says must be done
[01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:04.000]  Article 44.17, appeal to county court, how conducted
[01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:08.000]  In all appeals to a county court from justice courts and municipal courts
[01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:11.000]  Other than municipal courts of record
[01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:15.000]  The trial shall be de novo in the trial in the county court
[01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:19.000]  The same as if the prosecution had been originally convinced in that court
[01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:26.000]  An appeal to the county court from the municipal court of record may be based only on errors reflected in the record
[01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:30.000]  44.18, original papers sent up
[01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:34.000]  In appeals from justice and corporation courts
[01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:39.000]  All the original papers in the case together with the appeal bond, if any
[01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:46.000]  And together with a certified transcript of all the proceedings had in the case before such court
[01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:51.000]  Shall be delivered without delay to the clerk of the court to which the appeal was taken
[01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:55.000]  Who shall file the same and docket the case
[01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.000]  Here in Texas it is not optional
[01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.000]  It says they shall do these things
[01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:06.000]  And failure to do that means the appeals court is not vested with jurisdiction
[01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:11.000]  That also means the lower court is in violation of process and law
[01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.000]  That is a violation of due process
[01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:19.000]  It's also a crime on the part of the clerk
[01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:22.000]  And if I'm in that court
[01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:26.000]  I go to the judge with a criminal accusation against the clerk
[01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:31.000]  For official oppression for failing to perform a duty she's required to perform and in the process
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:37.000]  Denied me in a fair trial and asked the judge to have the clerk arrested
[01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:45.000]  When I see 44.18 doesn't specify whose responsibility it is to see that this is done
[01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:51.000]  It only specifies that the clerk of the court of the appeal has to docket it once they receive it
[01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:56.000]  But now the implication here is that this is the duty of the clerk
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:00.000]  I would accuse the clerk and let her put it off on somebody else
[01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:06.000]  Well I wish I had known that but this was some of the delay tactics that they used
[01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:09.000]  Another one that they used on us is I was there
[01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.000]  We're going to have a court day set up
[01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:14.000]  I'm there, the prosecutor's there
[01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:16.000]  And we're waiting for the judge
[01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:20.000]  And we're waiting and waiting and finally the judge comes out in his street clothes
[01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:26.000]  And he says, oh, I canceled this trial, didn't you get my whatever phone call or paperwork?
[01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:27.000]  I forget what he said
[01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:30.000]  And it's like, you know what I mean?
[01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:31.000]  It's like, what do you do?
[01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:32.000]  I don't know
[01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:36.000]  But that was another delay scheduled for another day
[01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:38.000]  That's different
[01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:44.000]  I started to say if the prosecutor's not ready, then you can move for dismissal
[01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:46.000]  Well but here's the thing
[01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:52.000]  I would have went to the clerk and I would have demanded a copy of any correspondence to that effect
[01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:58.000]  If it was not in the case file, I would have demanded a dismissal on the spot
[01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.000]  I wish you had known that
[01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:05.000]  Because I was summoned to court for a case
[01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  The judge did not notify me the case was not going on
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:12.000]  And there's no correspondence in the record to show that he did
[01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.000]  You're saying you wish you knew that?
[01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:16.000]  Yes
[01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:20.000]  I wish you knew how many times I've said that
[01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:26.000]  And the thing that really got me was before a bail bond board
[01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:30.000]  Where I helped a friend of mine get in the bail bond business
[01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:37.000]  And he was trying to get me on as a bondsman with his company
[01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:39.000]  And they didn't like me for some reason
[01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:42.000]  But I quoted a statute to him
[01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:46.000]  And we had a district attorney at the time who was a real moron
[01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:54.000]  And he stood up and said that that statute was repealed in the last legislative session
[01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:58.000]  I checked and he was right
[01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:07.000]  And I thought I got bested by a moron because I didn't check my statutes
[01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:11.000]  I got very careful after that
[01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:15.000]  But I still miss stuff like you ran into
[01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:20.000]  But I am getting better in that I'm thinking in terms of
[01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:26.000]  What is everybody supposed to do and how can I find a way to kick them in the teeth?
[01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:33.000]  The case I'm in is not so important to me as what the people are doing around me
[01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:37.000]  If I can get them to do something wrong I want to kick them in their teeth
[01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:41.000]  Until everybody gets afraid to do anything
[01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.000]  Unless they're absolutely certain it's right
[01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:47.000]  You've got to have a good grasp of the law to be able to do that
[01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:54.000]  And plus you have to have a grasp well enough so that you can fend off retaliation I think
[01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:58.000]  You don't have to do it there in the courtroom
[01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:02.000]  And the couple callers back is a good example of that
[01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.000]  I violated my own rule
[01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:10.000]  Today wasn't a good day for me and he caught me in a weak moment
[01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:16.000]  When I'm angry it is my rule to shut my mouth
[01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:22.000]  And I let this guy get to me and that's embarrassing because I know better
[01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:27.000]  Well see that's why I had to finally cut him off because his point was not to debate with us
[01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:32.000]  He was trying to antagonize us and I'm not going to put up with that
[01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:37.000]  You've got another issue I could run by you real quick if I've got some time here
[01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:45.000]  There's a community meeting that I attend and some of the issues that are brought up are housing violations
[01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:49.000]  And I'll make this real short here
[01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:51.000]  They're picking on this one fella
[01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:56.000]  They've got all kinds of supposed building violations against him
[01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:57.000]  He's doing this, he's doing that
[01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:00.000]  He's a bad guy and all the neighbors don't like him
[01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:05.000]  And it's like I come in on the middle of this thing so I don't understand what's really going on
[01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:07.000]  So I went and I talked to the guy
[01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:10.000]  And they found out that hey he had some drug dealers over there
[01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:13.000]  He kept them out of his driveway where they were doing the drugs
[01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:18.000]  And I went to the next meeting and I started saying hey I talked to that guy
[01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.000]  Can I say something here?
[01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:21.000]  And nobody wanted to listen to me
[01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:24.000]  And finally there's a councilman that attended that meeting
[01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:29.000]  He started getting on this guy and I just blurted it out
[01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:30.000]  I said excuse me
[01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:32.000]  I talked to his neighbor
[01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:37.000]  His neighbor said she had nothing but praises for the guy because he got rid of the drug dealers
[01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:41.000]  And that councilman got so upset he turned red
[01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:44.000]  And he started saying beat that dead horse, beat that dead horse
[01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:47.000]  He stands up, I want this meeting closed
[01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:52.000]  And the president over there couldn't get a motion fast enough to order the meeting closed
[01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:55.000]  He got it seconded and the meeting was done
[01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:56.000]  Now I'm sorry
[01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:00.000]  Closed? Did they go into closed session?
[01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.000]  Closed meeting, it's over with, it's the end of the night
[01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:04.000]  They adjourned
[01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:08.000]  Adjourned, yeah it's motion to, you know, motion to dismiss
[01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.000]  Motion to adjourn, yeah
[01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:12.000]  Adjourned, yeah, so it's over
[01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:17.000]  And it's like I sat there people there thinking how can you do that?
[01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:18.000]  This is a public meeting
[01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:21.000]  We're supposed to be able to discuss our problems
[01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:28.000]  And if they're, you know, if I've got something to say that's contrary to what the regular belief is of the group, so what?
[01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:29.000]  Well, but you are correct
[01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.000]  You can discuss your problems all day long
[01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:37.000]  That does not mean they're going to answer them or even want to be present to admit that they heard the question
[01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:42.000]  The issue was, I'm thinking, okay, is this the, you know, violation of a First Amendment here?
[01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.000]  You don't get to talk?
[01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:49.000]  No, they didn't stop you from talking
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:53.000]  It's like what happened to me at the Secretary of State building
[01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:59.000]  When I told the first deputy what part of I don't want to talk to you do you not understand
[01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:03.000]  He said, well, Mr. County, you don't have to answer, but I can talk all I want to
[01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:06.000]  I said, okay, you talk, I'll ignore
[01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:09.000]  Well, besides, the First Amendment has to do with Congress
[01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:16.000]  It orders Congress to not pass any legislation impinging on freedom of speech, freedom of the press, et cetera
[01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:18.000]  So it applies to Congress
[01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.000]  The restriction is mainly on Congress
[01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:21.000]  No, this is a councilman
[01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:23.000]  I mean, you know, it's the government there
[01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.000]  Well, the point was there's no law
[01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:30.000]  There's no law that Congress legislated that would violate that
[01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:34.000]  And his point was he could talk if he wanted to at one point
[01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:37.000]  I don't have to listen, and that's what the board did to you
[01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:38.000]  They didn't want to listen
[01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.000]  Okay, listen, we've got one more segment left
[01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:41.000]  We've got two more callers
[01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:42.000]  Okay, thank you
[01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:43.000]  Okay, thanks, Joe
[01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:46.000]  All right, we've got Robert from Texas, a first-time caller
[01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.000]  Steve from Texas
[01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.000]  Looks like Mark from Wisconsin just popped up on the line
[01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.000]  We're not going to overtime tonight, so we'll do the best we can to take everyone's call
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[01:45:47.000 --> 01:46:01.000]  Okay, we are back
[01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:03.000]  All right, we got Robert, Steve, Mark
[01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:06.000]  We're going to do everything we can to rampage through your calls
[01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:08.000]  Robert from, I'm sorry, hold on
[01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:12.000]  Before we take Robert, Eddie, you had something that you wanted to address to the previous caller
[01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:14.000]  Yeah, I'll be real quick
[01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:20.000]  Now there is a section here in Texas if you are arrested under a warrant for a traffic ticket or anything like that
[01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:22.000]  Now remember, this is under a warrant
[01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:32.000]  Article 1517, subsection B makes it very specific that the municipal or JP court loses jurisdiction the moment you're brought into the court on the warrant
[01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:43.000]  It specifically states that the judge must tell you the date and time that you are going to be taken for arraignment in the county court or the statutory county court
[01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:47.000]  Which means they lost jurisdiction when they issued the warrant
[01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:55.000]  So if they intend to proceed to trial after having you arrested in the same court, they have a problem
[01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:59.000]  And you need to be aware of it so that you can beat them up with it
[01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:00.000]  That's it
[01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:02.000]  Okay, very good, Eddie
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.000]  All right, let's go to Robert in Texas
[01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:07.000]  Robert, thanks for calling in
[01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:09.000]  First-time caller, what's on your mind?
[01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:13.000]  Well, I wish I would have found you all a year ago
[01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.000]  I'm a professional and I'm in Johnson County
[01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.000]  I heard you all gave them a good plug last week
[01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:29.000]  The dilemma is I got a third DWI last Christmas leaving a company Christmas party and was given a typical attorney push to the plea bargain thing
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:33.000]  Is there any remedy from that?
[01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:35.000]  You accepted the plea bargain?
[01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:38.000]  Yes, there's remedy regardless of the plea bargain
[01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:45.000]  Right, and they also in there said you know you waived your rights to appeal and all this, blah, blah, blah
[01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:46.000]  You cannot
[01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:48.000]  Listen to y'all for the last couple of weeks
[01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:50.000]  They did so many errors in the beginning
[01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.000]  If I had listened to y'all a year ago, we could have just smacked them all around
[01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:55.000]  You still may be able to
[01:47:55.000 --> 01:48:03.000]  Well, the thing about it is even under a DUI, first off, what were you in when you got the DUI?
[01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.000]  A truck
[01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.000]  As in personal?
[01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:09.000]  No, I was in my company truck
[01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:14.000]  Okay, but what is your company truck? It's not a dump truck or a semi really
[01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:17.000]  No, no, no, it was just a half-ton pickup truck
[01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:18.000]  Okay
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:21.000]  So you weren't using the truck for commerce
[01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:24.000]  You were using it to move from place to place?
[01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.000]  Yes, just place to place, that's correct
[01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:31.000]  This is one of the things I'm going to cover in the seminar dealing with a DUI
[01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:37.000]  Once again, lack of subject matter jurisdiction rears its ugly head for them, okay?
[01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:44.000]  You can only be charged with a DUI if you are operating a motor vehicle with a commercial driver's license
[01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:52.000]  As I've already shown, that's the only kind of license in existence in Texas for motor vehicles, is a commercial driver's license
[01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:59.000]  And unless you are actually using that license and that vehicle for the purpose of commerce
[01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:03.000]  Then the transportation code law for the DUI does not apply
[01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:12.000]  And they ought to know this because it says very specifically, operating a motor vehicle while under the influence
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:15.000]  And you're not doing that
[01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:18.000]  You should come to the seminar
[01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:21.000]  You know how bad I want to be
[01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.000]  And then I have another matter, it's a civil matter
[01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:30.000]  Which I had a judge say something from the bench that just made me fall out of my chair
[01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:39.000]  The agreement for the divorce was subject to some stipulations that some paperwork was to be turned over from my ex-wife to me
[01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:42.000]  So I could make certain financial transactions take place
[01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:45.000]  They didn't take place, she did not do it
[01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:49.000]  I lost $60,000 worth of assets
[01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:53.000]  And at the motion to enforce, to make her do it
[01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:58.000]  The judge looks over the paperwork and he says, I see this has been in court longer than you were married
[01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:00.000]  Because I'm going to make my ruling on it now
[01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:04.000]  You just need to get over it, clunk and drop the hammer
[01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:06.000]  Who was the judge?
[01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.000]  Neil in Johnson County
[01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:13.000]  Oh Neil, okay, I've had some dealings with Johnson County
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:15.000]  Yes, I heard last week that I laughed
[01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:18.000]  Was he the same judge that heard the case to begin with?
[01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.000]  Yes, yes
[01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:24.000]  And he violated his own ruling in the court?
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:31.000]  He would not allow even my attorney at the motion to enforce to bring up the Rule 11 agreement that was agreed upon in the final hearing
[01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:34.000]  He only looked at the decree that heard
[01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:38.000]  My attorney was supposed to fill it out and send in the final decree
[01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:39.000]  And he didn't
[01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:42.000]  And so I finally fired him and I hired another attorney
[01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:45.000]  Did you file a grievance on him?
[01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:50.000]  Yes, and kicking in from another county which I thought was, he was some hot dog
[01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:53.000]  He walked straight out of 10 attorneys in the whole courtroom
[01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:55.000]  He walked straight to her attorney and patted him on the back
[01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.000]  How are you doing buddy?
[01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:00.000]  And he threw me under the bus
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:01.000]  You should sue him
[01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:06.000]  Yes, sue him directly, malpractice
[01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:10.000]  You also need to file charges against him directly for collusion
[01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:16.000]  And then I would also recommend filing a bar grievance against him for exactly the same thing
[01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:24.000]  And make sure you send a copy of both the criminal complaint and the bar grievance to his bond company
[01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:25.000]  Right
[01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:31.000]  Okay, and listen, we've got six and a half minutes left and I wanted to take Steve and Mark if possible
[01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:36.000]  Was there any way I could contact y'all at some other time to discuss that divorce thing much further?
[01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:39.000]  Well, you could call in Monday night
[01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:40.000]  Okay, thanks
[01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:41.000]  Okay
[01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:44.000]  Just check on the website, you can find my email
[01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:45.000]  Thank you, sir
[01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:46.000]  Okay, great
[01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:47.000]  Right
[01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:48.000]  All right, thanks
[01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:53.000]  Yeah, and callers, you know, we do, we are on the air other nights of the week, Mondays and Thursdays
[01:51:53.000 --> 01:52:01.000]  All right, so let's go to, very quickly to Steve now in Texas and we'll try to get, we'll get Mark from Wisconsin in by the end
[01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:02.000]  Steve, go ahead
[01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:07.000]  Hey, good evening, Deborah, Randy and Eddie
[01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:08.000]  Hi, excuse me
[01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:10.000]  I'm going to make this short and sweet
[01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:12.000]  I'm just going to say thank you
[01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:17.000]  Thank you for Deborah for your tireless work and effort to make the show work
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:22.000]  Thank you for Randy for the live examples that you give
[01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:32.000]  Thank you to, thank you to Eddie for personally helping me with my situation, never making me feel little
[01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:40.000]  The advice that you guys have given me, okay, I actually felt guilty of them, the amount of money I've spent for the jurisdiction there
[01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.000]  I figured I should have sent you guys more
[01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.000]  To the guy that called in
[01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:46.000]  You have my permission
[01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:49.000]  Yeah, we'll say no
[01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:51.000]  Send it to Randy, beautiful
[01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:53.000]  Okay, what were you going to say, Steve?
[01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:54.000]  Did you hear me?
[01:52:54.000 --> 01:53:00.000]  No, no, no, you said you should have sent in more and then Randy started talking and I didn't hear what you said after that
[01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:02.000]  Okay, yeah, well
[01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:04.000]  You said something about the guy you called in?
[01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:07.000]  I was going to say to the guy that called in, I have nothing bad to say about you, mate
[01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:16.000]  All I can say is that if you check the archives, these guys have the answers to all of your issues
[01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:23.000]  If you just check the archives, the amount of detail and meat that these guys have to give you is phenomenal
[01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:27.000]  You know, I mean, I'm lost for words
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:34.000]  If anything didn't go right with any of my cases, it's only because I didn't follow the directions given
[01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:40.000]  But still, you know, I've got examples to give to Eddie, Debra and Randy next week
[01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:43.000]  And I'm glad that I paid for the jurisdictionary
[01:53:43.000 --> 01:53:51.000]  If you ordered the court, just the first part of the jurisdictionary, he tells you that
[01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:56.000]  If you don't have this knowledge, he's tears, he's crooked tears, we'll deal with you in court
[01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:57.000]  Yeah
[01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:04.000]  And the info I've been given from you guys, if I pay the lawyer for that, I'll be spending thousands and thousands of dollars
[01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:06.000]  So I just want to say thank you
[01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:07.000]  Well, thank you, sir
[01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:12.000]  And to all those people who are listening to this stuff for free, I mean, you should take it upon yourself
[01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:18.000]  to at least donate what you can afford on a monthly basis to help these guys out
[01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:23.000]  These guys are not asking for money, okay, they're just asking for donations
[01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:25.000]  So what's up with that?
[01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:31.000]  These are patriot warriors in the field helping the little guy
[01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:35.000]  So this guy that called in asking for caseload, just check the archives
[01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:42.000]  They have two years or more worth of archives on civil, criminal and commercial
[01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:44.000]  What's up with you?
[01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:45.000]  He was just joking
[01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:46.000]  Thank you, Steve
[01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:48.000]  Just check the damn archives
[01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:49.000]  Thank you, Steve
[01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:53.000]  And after your remark about thousands and thousands
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:56.000]  You don't have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars
[01:54:56.000 --> 01:55:01.000]  You can understand your dictionary, you can understand it
[01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:08.000]  If you read your dictionary and listen, it's four hours of video, two or three hours of audio
[01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:10.000]  And then you have a flow chart
[01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:14.000]  And I've shown the flow chart to lawyers and said, yeah, that's right
[01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:16.000]  They didn't know what it was about
[01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:19.000]  I said, look at the flow chart, they said, that's right
[01:55:19.000 --> 01:55:23.000]  So get the course, come to the seminar, ask your question
[01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:29.000]  Then come back on the show and beg Randy, Deborah and Eddie to never leave the show
[01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:32.000]  And start donating and say thank you
[01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:33.000]  And that's all I have to say
[01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:35.000]  Thank you, Steve, we appreciate that
[01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:38.000]  I really needed that more than you know
[01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:41.000]  Okay, all right, listen, we only got like three minutes left
[01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:45.000]  Let me go to Mark now, he's one of our affiliates
[01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:48.000]  Okay, and John from Florida, I'm sorry, no time
[01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.000]  Call back in Monday
[01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:53.000]  Okay, unless Mark is really quick
[01:55:53.000 --> 01:55:54.000]  Mark, go ahead, what's on your mind?
[01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:56.000]  Thank you for calling in
[01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:59.000]  Hello, yeah, I just wanted to say Rule of Law Radio
[01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:02.000]  It's the most important radio show on the Internet right now
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:03.000]  Oh
[01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:05.000]  And my dog just confirmed it
[01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:07.000]  Is that true, Rocco?
[01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:09.000]  Give me some audio
[01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  There you go, there you go
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:19.000]  And they've gotten my son out of a pinch before Deborah, Randy and Eddie
[01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:24.000]  And I'm sure there's thousands and thousands of people at this point have gotten out of trouble
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:27.000]  And you just don't know about it
[01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:29.000]  There's no way to quantify it
[01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:34.000]  And in that vein, you guys have spawned me to do all sorts of research too
[01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:39.000]  And I just found out for Wisconsin, if you Google fingerprint record removal request
[01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:46.000]  If your case was dismissed or you got out of it in court, you can retrieve your fingerprints from the state and the feds
[01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:52.000]  Just Google Wisconsin fingerprint record removal request
[01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:53.000]  Wow, awesome
[01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:56.000]  There's a little kit for you there and you can check your state too
[01:56:56.000 --> 01:57:00.000]  And I just wanted to call in and say you guys are doing a great job
[01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:03.000]  And there is no better audio on the Internet right now
[01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:12.000]  And you know, it's beyond me to even criticize what you do because I know how much you guys put into this program
[01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:14.000]  And the sacrifices you make
[01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:19.000]  And you really get people to get off the dime and get out there and do things
[01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:21.000]  I mean, that's what it's all about
[01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:29.000]  I mean, most people are paralyzed right now and rule of law radio actually gets people out there filing paperwork
[01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:34.000]  And telling the man that he can't do this to you and he has to obey the law
[01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:37.000]  And there's no other programs out there like that
[01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:41.000]  Anyway, you guys keep up the good work and you're the best
[01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:42.000]  Thanks, Mark
[01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:43.000]  Thank you
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:44.000]  Bye-bye
[01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:48.000]  All right, May, we do have time to take John, but we literally only have a minute and 10 seconds left
[01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.000]  John, quickly, any comments?
[01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:55.000]  Well, I was a question for Eddie and Randy and it regarded the traffic
[01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:57.000]  And I don't know if there's time for it
[01:57:57.000 --> 01:57:59.000]  But I was going to make it as short as possible
[01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:02.000]  Okay, go ahead and, May, we could just pose the question
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  If you don't want to finish, send me an email
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.000]  Yeah, we may have to answer it on Monday
[01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:10.000]  Okay, very simply, I mean, my court date is next week and it involves Eddie
[01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:13.000]  We've talked about this a few different calls over the past month
[01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:15.000]  So I have my final court date
[01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:19.000]  I get in front of the judge and my point, again, is to move the court
[01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  It's just my case with the President based on the fact that we've all been on a fire
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:28.000]  And I'm doing it in the opposite direction of a motor vehicle and I know I need to get my definitions
[01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:36.000]  But essentially what I'm looking at is the fact that we're looking at a motor vehicle being a commercial instrument
[01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:41.000]  You need to make the prosecutor prove every element of that charge
[01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:44.000]  Including that you are the person, you were in a motor vehicle
[01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:47.000]  And you were operating it under a license for that purpose
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:49.000]  Make them prove it
[01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.000]  Don't you defend it, make them prove it
[01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.000]  We're out of time
[01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:55.000]  Yeah, we're out of time, we've got five seconds left
[01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:57.000]  John, call back in Monday night, okay, please
[01:58:57.000 --> 01:58:59.000]  I will, thank you
[01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:01.000]  All righty, we'll be back Monday
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