ROL_2009-10-09_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:05.600]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:05.600 --> 00:11.360]  The Natural Resources Defense Council in a new report has found extremely high concentrations
[00:11.360 --> 00:18.720]  in 75% of stream water and 40% of groundwater of the pesticide Atrazine that is banned in
[00:18.720 --> 00:20.480]  the EU.
[00:20.480 --> 00:26.720]  A new Pew Research report published Thursday has found there are 1.57 billion Muslims around
[00:26.720 --> 00:27.800]  the world.
[00:27.800 --> 00:32.760]  The three-year project found Germany has more Muslims than Lebanon, China has more than
[00:32.760 --> 00:37.520]  Syria and Russia has more than Jordan and Libya combined.
[00:37.520 --> 00:42.160]  The dollar continues to fall overnight against most Asian currencies, prompting a wave of
[00:42.160 --> 00:48.400]  foreign exchange intervention by central banks in South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines and
[00:48.400 --> 00:49.400]  Thailand.
[00:49.400 --> 00:55.720]  Analysts warn a full-fledged world panic out of the dollar would mean huge US inflation,
[00:55.720 --> 01:00.320]  soaring gold prices and the financial system rocked to its core.
[01:00.320 --> 01:08.240]  The big question is how the US finances its massive debt under these conditions.
[01:08.240 --> 01:14.360]  Barack Obama was today awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, quote, for his extraordinary
[01:14.360 --> 01:19.840]  efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.
[01:19.840 --> 01:25.600]  To gasps from those assembled, the Nobel Committee Chairman, Thor Jones Jaglund, said, only
[01:25.600 --> 01:30.400]  rarely has a person such as Obama captured the world's attention and given his people
[01:30.400 --> 01:32.720]  hope for a better future.
[01:32.720 --> 01:38.480]  The choice of Obama from a field of more than 200 candidates astounded international commentators,
[01:38.480 --> 01:43.920]  partly because Obama took office two weeks before the February nomination deadline.
[01:43.920 --> 01:49.440]  The award comes as Obama considers sending up to 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan.
[01:49.440 --> 01:55.360]  Jaglund said, hopefully the improved international climate Obama has fostered could help resolve
[01:55.360 --> 01:57.360]  the conflict in Afghanistan.
[01:57.360 --> 02:06.160]  The prize, worth $1.4 million, will be awarded in Oslo in December.
[02:06.160 --> 02:11.200]  The Washington Post reports the White House is discussing new policy guidelines toward
[02:11.200 --> 02:16.960]  the Taliban based on a stark assessment by General Stanley McChrystal, the top commander
[02:16.960 --> 02:18.800]  in Afghanistan.
[02:18.800 --> 02:23.080]  Officials said the goal is to weaken the Taliban to the point where it can no longer challenge
[02:23.080 --> 02:27.680]  the Afghan government or reestablish a haven for al-Qaeda.
[02:27.680 --> 02:33.120]  Those objectives are consistent with McChrystal's strategy, which he says cannot be focused on
[02:33.120 --> 02:39.440]  seizing terrain or destroying insurgent forces, but should center on persuading the population
[02:39.440 --> 02:41.080]  to support the government.
[02:41.080 --> 02:45.860]  A senior administration official said the Taliban is a deeply rooted political movement
[02:45.860 --> 02:50.720]  in Afghanistan that requires a different approach than al-Qaeda.
[02:50.720 --> 02:55.560]  Some officials have cited Hezbollah, the armed Lebanese political movement, as an example
[02:55.560 --> 03:23.560]  of what the Taliban could become.
[03:26.560 --> 03:44.560]  I received my remedy today, came in a box, just like they say, I accepted it for value
[03:44.560 --> 03:45.560]  right away.
[03:45.560 --> 03:55.360]  It's not sooner, not later, we are originators, and the pathways seem to get straighter every
[03:55.360 --> 03:56.360]  day.
[03:56.360 --> 04:05.360]  And I could take anything that belongs to me and put it to good use, while I was good
[04:05.360 --> 04:11.360]  for the gander, gonna work for the fools.
[04:11.360 --> 04:23.360]  I know some architects, I know some engineers, they've seen the evidence, they know a certain
[04:23.360 --> 04:25.360]  thing's weak.
[04:25.360 --> 04:28.360]  What's up with the blatant deception?
[04:28.360 --> 04:32.360]  What is the nature of what you might gain?
[04:32.360 --> 04:40.360]  I see something headed straight for you, I think it looks just like a train.
[04:40.360 --> 04:47.360]  It smells like a sham of sun, but I can see them playing fast and loose.
[04:47.360 --> 04:57.360]  While I was good for the gander, gonna work for the fools.
[05:17.360 --> 05:25.360]  And we're dealing with a security company that was in charge of the security on the
[05:25.360 --> 05:26.360]  job.
[05:26.360 --> 05:32.360]  They're out of California, and they don't seem to want to answer many questions or return
[05:32.360 --> 05:42.360]  calls or anything, but they have, the job that was, stuff was stolen from them in Texas,
[05:42.360 --> 05:46.360]  so they've gotta be, it's a corporation out of California, but they've gotta be registered
[05:46.360 --> 05:49.360]  with the Secretary of State in Texas, right?
[05:49.360 --> 05:50.360]  Yes.
[05:50.360 --> 05:56.360]  And would their bond be in the state of Texas, or would it be?
[05:56.360 --> 05:57.360]  Texas.
[05:57.360 --> 06:00.360]  Yes, they have to have a bond in the state of Texas, they should have to have one in
[06:00.360 --> 06:03.360]  every state in which they operate.
[06:03.360 --> 06:08.360]  Well, that's what I was, and it would be registered in the Secretary of State's office,
[06:08.360 --> 06:10.360]  right, or should be?
[06:10.360 --> 06:14.360]  It should be, it's an out-of-state corporation, the Secretary of State's the one responsible
[06:14.360 --> 06:16.360]  for maintaining those records.
[06:16.360 --> 06:23.360]  Well, I was gonna help him write a letter to the company and send a carbon copy to the
[06:23.360 --> 06:28.360]  bonding company, but I need to go to the Secretary of State's office and get the company's name
[06:28.360 --> 06:31.360]  and the bond number, basically.
[06:31.360 --> 06:41.360]  We should be able to write a request to the company for their bonding agent, whoever they
[06:41.360 --> 06:49.360]  are, essentially that's insurance, so ask them who insures their facility in Texas.
[06:49.360 --> 06:56.360]  Okay, well I might be able to get that, they haven't been very forthcoming with any information.
[06:56.360 --> 07:00.360]  Okay, listen, this is not about whether they give it to you or not, it's about building
[07:00.360 --> 07:01.360]  your case.
[07:01.360 --> 07:02.360]  Right.
[07:02.360 --> 07:09.360]  You send it to them, certified attorney's seat, and then when you get to court, they're
[07:09.360 --> 07:15.360]  gonna ask you, have you exercised your out-of-court remedies?
[07:15.360 --> 07:19.360]  And you're gonna say, well yeah, I tried to get this information from these guys, but
[07:19.360 --> 07:24.360]  they wouldn't give it to me, and then the judge's gonna look at them and say, is that
[07:24.360 --> 07:25.360]  true?
[07:25.360 --> 07:29.360]  So, you're really just building your case this way.
[07:29.360 --> 07:30.360]  Right.
[07:30.360 --> 07:37.360]  So, now, I understand that the corporation will call it harassment, but it's not harassment,
[07:37.360 --> 07:39.360]  it's building my case.
[07:39.360 --> 07:44.360]  Okay, it may feel like harassment, but sorry, Bubba, life is tough.
[07:44.360 --> 07:47.360]  Well, I don't mind the feeling that way, too.
[07:47.360 --> 07:54.360]  I try to give everybody opportunity to screw up as much as they can, and you go back to
[07:54.360 --> 07:59.360]  what Dr. Graves says, everything goes to the reasonable person standard.
[07:59.360 --> 08:00.360]  Right.
[08:00.360 --> 08:07.360]  If you're operating a company, especially a security company, and I get robbed while
[08:07.360 --> 08:14.360]  you're supposed to be there guarding it, then it's reasonable that you would have some
[08:14.360 --> 08:17.360]  liability for failure to perform.
[08:17.360 --> 08:18.360]  Right.
[08:18.360 --> 08:27.360]  And if you're insured for these types of circumstances, then being an injured party, I would have
[08:27.360 --> 08:31.360]  a reasonable right to know who your insurance carrier is.
[08:31.360 --> 08:32.360]  Right.
[08:32.360 --> 08:40.360]  And this has been going on since July, the first of July, and there's been like, I think
[08:40.360 --> 08:46.360]  there's six different facts that have transpired back between trying to get information from
[08:46.360 --> 08:47.360]  them.
[08:47.360 --> 08:56.360]  And finally, we got one fax from them, which was an application, and it was sent out somewhere
[08:56.360 --> 09:01.360]  around the end of July, and that was the end of the conversations.
[09:01.360 --> 09:06.360]  One thing that might get their attention is a tort letter.
[09:06.360 --> 09:07.360]  Right.
[09:07.360 --> 09:13.360]  The courts say, well, before you come to us, you should come to us as a remedy of last
[09:13.360 --> 09:14.360]  resort, not first resort.
[09:14.360 --> 09:15.360]  Right.
[09:15.360 --> 09:22.360]  So you should take some effort to exercise your available remedies, and a tort letter
[09:22.360 --> 09:29.360]  is sufficient to demonstrate to the court that you've exercised your remedies.
[09:29.360 --> 09:34.360]  Now, there are other really annoying things you can do in terms of exercising the remedy,
[09:34.360 --> 09:39.360]  but in order to show the court that you did, a tort letter is a good way to do it.
[09:39.360 --> 09:45.360]  And a tort letter is also a good way to really tighten some anal sphincter muscles at this
[09:45.360 --> 09:46.360]  corporation.
[09:46.360 --> 09:56.360]  What you generally do as a tort letter is you write up your suit against them and send
[09:56.360 --> 10:01.360]  it to them, not in the form of a suit, but in the form of a tort letter.
[10:01.360 --> 10:06.360]  Here is the harm that I have suffered because of your company.
[10:06.360 --> 10:09.360]  Here's your responsibility to protect me from that harm.
[10:09.360 --> 10:20.360]  And you actually lay out your case and tell them to, quote, Mike Maurice, cure or be sued.
[10:20.360 --> 10:25.360]  And that'll go to their legal department, and they'll say, well, this guy's getting
[10:25.360 --> 10:26.360]  ready to sue us.
[10:26.360 --> 10:27.360]  Do something.
[10:27.360 --> 10:33.360]  Yeah, I think what they're doing is just waiting, trying to hopefully somebody will go away
[10:33.360 --> 10:34.360]  if you're thinking.
[10:34.360 --> 10:35.360]  Randy, his name is Mike Miras.
[10:35.360 --> 10:37.360]  That's what I said, Miras.
[10:37.360 --> 10:39.360]  He said Mike Maurice.
[10:39.360 --> 10:40.360]  Miras.
[10:40.360 --> 10:41.360]  Oh.
[10:41.360 --> 10:44.360]  His name is Miras, M-I-R-R-A-S.
[10:44.360 --> 10:48.360]  Okay, if he's listening.
[10:48.360 --> 10:49.360]  Oops.
[10:49.360 --> 10:51.360]  I thought I said Miras.
[10:51.360 --> 10:53.360]  She keeps telling me that.
[10:53.360 --> 10:55.360]  I think I'm saying it right.
[10:55.360 --> 10:56.360]  Anyway.
[10:56.360 --> 11:01.360]  Well, I'm going to go to the Secretary of State's office and get the information that
[11:01.360 --> 11:02.360]  I need.
[11:02.360 --> 11:08.360]  I know that I'll send a letter also trying to get it from them, certified letter.
[11:08.360 --> 11:13.360]  Well, you should be able to go to the Secretary of State's website, and there should be an
[11:13.360 --> 11:19.360]  online registration for every corporation in the state.
[11:19.360 --> 11:21.360]  Okay.
[11:21.360 --> 11:25.360]  You should be able to look it up online, verify whether or not the company you need is there.
[11:25.360 --> 11:30.360]  You'll be able to get specific information for the registration with the Secretary of State.
[11:30.360 --> 11:33.360]  Then you can include that in your letter to make sure there's no mistake as to which
[11:33.360 --> 11:35.360]  company you're referencing.
[11:35.360 --> 11:36.360]  Okay.
[11:36.360 --> 11:41.360]  That will make sure you only need to write one letter instead of three.
[11:41.360 --> 11:43.360]  That helps.
[11:43.360 --> 11:48.360]  I'm not the best at writing, but we get it done.
[11:48.360 --> 11:49.360]  All right.
[11:49.360 --> 11:51.360]  Well, that helps.
[11:51.360 --> 11:55.360]  And I'll let you go and move to the next callers.
[11:55.360 --> 11:56.360]  Okay, good.
[11:56.360 --> 11:57.360]  Thanks for calling.
[11:57.360 --> 11:58.360]  Have fun hammering them.
[11:58.360 --> 11:59.360]  Thank you, Jim.
[11:59.360 --> 12:00.360]  Bye.
[12:00.360 --> 12:01.360]  Good luck.
[12:01.360 --> 12:02.360]  All right.
[12:02.360 --> 12:03.360]  Another one bites the dust.
[12:03.360 --> 12:04.360]  Okay, here we go.
[12:04.360 --> 12:06.360]  We're going to move on to Kathy now in Texas.
[12:06.360 --> 12:08.360]  Kathy, thanks for calling in.
[12:08.360 --> 12:09.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[12:09.360 --> 12:11.360]  Well, same thing as last night.
[12:11.360 --> 12:16.360]  I called in about the subpoena, deposition subpoena.
[12:16.360 --> 12:22.360]  So I've written my letter, and we're telling them we don't want to come at their convenience.
[12:22.360 --> 12:26.360]  So I had a couple of questions as I'm sitting here reading through all the fine print.
[12:26.360 --> 12:36.360]  And on the subpoena itself, it says, this subpoena is issued under and by virtue of Rule 200
[12:36.360 --> 12:43.360]  and notice of deposition on file with the above named court filed, and then it talks about the case name.
[12:43.360 --> 12:49.360]  Rule 200, is that referring to some kind of procedure?
[12:49.360 --> 12:52.360]  Rules of civil procedure.
[12:52.360 --> 12:53.360]  Okay.
[12:53.360 --> 12:56.360]  This is a civil case, right?
[12:56.360 --> 12:57.360]  Yes.
[12:57.360 --> 13:03.360]  And is this something that I need to go look up and make sure?
[13:03.360 --> 13:10.360]  Yeah, if you want to know what Rule 200 applies to and what authority it's granting, then yes.
[13:10.360 --> 13:17.360]  Okay, because what I think that we're doing is just simply replying to their subpoena
[13:17.360 --> 13:26.360]  and saying that it's not convenient for us to go at their beck and call and their time and place and blah, blah, blah.
[13:26.360 --> 13:35.360]  So the other thing on here, on this subpoena on the back of it, there is a place that says,
[13:35.360 --> 13:45.360]  acceptance of service of subpoena by witness under Rule 176.5 of TRCP, the criminal procedure, right?
[13:45.360 --> 13:48.360]  If they say TRC, Texas.
[13:48.360 --> 13:51.360]  Well, that would be Texas Rules of Civil Procedure.
[13:51.360 --> 13:53.360]  Yeah, I'm looking at, okay.
[13:53.360 --> 13:55.360]  Rule 200.
[13:55.360 --> 14:00.360]  That's the one that requires notice of service by the sheriff, if I'm not mistaken, or constable.
[14:00.360 --> 14:08.360]  Rule 200, depositions upon written questions, procedure for noticing deposition upon written questions.
[14:08.360 --> 14:11.360]  Who may be noticed? When?
[14:11.360 --> 14:17.360]  A party may take the testimony of any person or entity by deposition or written question
[14:17.360 --> 14:22.360]  before any person authorized by law to take depositions or written questions.
[14:22.360 --> 14:29.360]  A notice of intent to take the deposition must be served on the witness with all parties,
[14:29.360 --> 14:34.360]  witness and all parties at least 20 days before the deposition is taken.
[14:34.360 --> 14:43.360]  A deposition on written questions may be taken outside the discovery period only by agreement of the parties or with leave of court.
[14:43.360 --> 14:50.360]  The party noticing the deposition must also deliver to the deposition officer a copy of the notice
[14:50.360 --> 14:54.360]  and of all written questions to be asked during the deposition.
[14:54.360 --> 14:56.360]  Oh, I didn't get any questions.
[14:56.360 --> 14:58.360]  Oh, good.
[14:58.360 --> 15:00.360]  We didn't get any questions.
[15:00.360 --> 15:06.360]  Then you need to ask for all of the questions you're going to be asked so that you have time to research your answers.
[15:06.360 --> 15:10.360]  Okay.
[15:10.360 --> 15:18.360]  Did it say they have to give copies of the questions to the officer of the court or to the party being noticed?
[15:18.360 --> 15:20.360]  Deposition officer.
[15:20.360 --> 15:27.360]  The party noticing the deposition must also deliver to the deposition officer a copy of the notice
[15:27.360 --> 15:32.360]  and of all written questions to be asked during the deposition.
[15:32.360 --> 15:34.360]  Okay, but that's not to the party being noticed.
[15:34.360 --> 15:35.360]  That's not to her.
[15:35.360 --> 15:36.360]  Okay.
[15:36.360 --> 15:37.360]  Here's the deal.
[15:37.360 --> 15:43.360]  If the party gives it to the deposition officer, it is a public record.
[15:43.360 --> 15:45.360]  Request it.
[15:45.360 --> 15:46.360]  Okay.
[15:46.360 --> 15:54.360]  And you can request it so that you have opportunity to prepare so that you can adequately answer the question.
[15:54.360 --> 15:58.360]  Let me go to paragraph B, content of notice.
[15:58.360 --> 16:10.360]  The notice must comply with rules 199.1B, 199.2B, and 199.5A3.
[16:10.360 --> 16:15.360]  199.1B.
[16:15.360 --> 16:18.360]  Depositions by telephone or other remote electronic means.
[16:18.360 --> 16:20.360]  That doesn't apply.
[16:20.360 --> 16:22.360]  They want to videotape it.
[16:22.360 --> 16:27.360]  Yeah, okay, 99.2B, content of notice.
[16:27.360 --> 16:30.360]  The identity of the witness or organization.
[16:30.360 --> 16:37.360]  The notice must state the name of the witness, which may be either an individual or a public or private corporation.
[16:37.360 --> 16:40.360]  Everyone can see blah, blah, blah.
[16:40.360 --> 16:41.360]  Okay, listen, Kathy.
[16:41.360 --> 16:42.360]  Blah, blah, blah on the other side.
[16:42.360 --> 16:44.360]  Yeah, Kathy, hang on.
[16:44.360 --> 16:46.360]  And we've got Dan Real after that.
[16:46.360 --> 16:51.360]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
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[17:58.360 --> 18:00.360]  Thank you, everyone.
[18:02.360 --> 18:05.360]  Well, don't let nothing get to you.
[18:05.360 --> 18:07.360]  Only the Father can deliver you.
[18:07.360 --> 18:10.360]  Don't let bad-minded people hurt you.
[18:10.360 --> 18:14.360]  I tell you something, get behind yourself.
[18:14.360 --> 18:19.360]  Come in, my friend, Nala Jackson.
[18:29.360 --> 18:31.360]  Okay, we are back.
[18:31.360 --> 18:34.360]  We're speaking with Kathy in Texas.
[18:34.360 --> 18:36.360]  Okay, Randy, go ahead.
[18:36.360 --> 18:38.360]  You were about to explain something.
[18:38.360 --> 18:44.360]  Okay, it says each of the under-identity of witnesses and organizations
[18:44.360 --> 18:47.360]  in response to organization name blah, blah, blah.
[18:47.360 --> 18:54.360]  Okay, well, it says they have to tell you what the nature of the questioning is going to be.
[18:54.360 --> 18:56.360]  I lost that spot.
[18:56.360 --> 18:58.360]  Well, we know the nature of it.
[18:58.360 --> 19:03.360]  No, no, they have to specify it in the subpoena.
[19:03.360 --> 19:05.360]  They do.
[19:05.360 --> 19:08.360]  Okay.
[19:08.360 --> 19:14.360]  To say what you saw at the witnessing of the accident on Thursday or whatever.
[19:14.360 --> 19:16.360]  Okay, so they can find that.
[19:16.360 --> 19:17.360]  Yeah.
[19:17.360 --> 19:21.360]  It must be served in the county of the witness's residence.
[19:21.360 --> 19:22.360]  It does.
[19:22.360 --> 19:26.360]  The county where the witness is employed or regularly transacts business,
[19:26.360 --> 19:28.360]  the county of Soot,
[19:28.360 --> 19:33.360]  the county where the witness was served with the subpoena.
[19:33.360 --> 19:34.360]  Let's see.
[19:34.360 --> 19:36.360]  How must it be served?
[19:36.360 --> 19:38.360]  Oh, time and place.
[19:38.360 --> 19:42.360]  The notice must state a reasonable time and place for the order of this.
[19:42.360 --> 19:46.360]  A place may be in the county of the witness's residence,
[19:46.360 --> 19:48.360]  the county where the witness is employed.
[19:48.360 --> 19:51.360]  So you can request that it be in your county of residence.
[19:51.360 --> 19:55.360]  And that's what we were doing as we talked last night.
[19:55.360 --> 19:57.360]  We were going to send them back a letter and say,
[19:57.360 --> 19:58.360]  that's not convenient for me.
[19:58.360 --> 20:02.360]  We'd like to meet here at another place and time.
[20:02.360 --> 20:08.360]  But what I started looking through on this then is this was served by,
[20:08.360 --> 20:10.360]  and I don't have the card in front of me.
[20:10.360 --> 20:13.360]  The lady came to the door and left a business card with it.
[20:13.360 --> 20:18.360]  And it's like a professional process server company.
[20:18.360 --> 20:21.360]  It was for our sheriff.
[20:21.360 --> 20:22.360]  Yeah, they can do that.
[20:22.360 --> 20:23.360]  That's okay, right?
[20:23.360 --> 20:25.360]  Because it's a business one.
[20:25.360 --> 20:32.360]  In civil, it used to be that any credible person, not the litigant,
[20:32.360 --> 20:35.360]  could serve papers in a civil matter.
[20:35.360 --> 20:38.360]  But a few years ago they changed that.
[20:38.360 --> 20:41.360]  It had to be a professional process server.
[20:41.360 --> 20:44.360]  I have served people myself.
[20:44.360 --> 20:48.360]  Oh, I wouldn't want to get served by you.
[20:48.360 --> 20:53.360]  Well, you can still have the sheriff deliver the service as well.
[20:53.360 --> 20:54.360]  Okay.
[20:54.360 --> 20:56.360]  Yeah, and we don't have any problem with this,
[20:56.360 --> 21:01.360]  and really no problem with giving deposition at all.
[21:01.360 --> 21:07.360]  It's just that as my friend whose name is on this subpoena said,
[21:07.360 --> 21:09.360]  didn't their mother teach them any manners?
[21:09.360 --> 21:13.360]  She said they could at least show a little courtesy.
[21:13.360 --> 21:16.360]  Well, here's what you can do, and I'd recommend you do do this.
[21:16.360 --> 21:20.360]  When you send them back a notice stating that this is an inconvenient time
[21:20.360 --> 21:24.360]  and place, give them a couple of options to choose from
[21:24.360 --> 21:26.360]  as to what would be a good time and place.
[21:26.360 --> 21:29.360]  We've given them some particulars here,
[21:29.360 --> 21:31.360]  and if you want I'll just read the letter,
[21:31.360 --> 21:35.360]  but I had one other question is on the back of the subpoena
[21:35.360 --> 21:42.360]  they have actually attached a cause of their motion
[21:42.360 --> 21:45.360]  or whatever that's filed, a copy of the filing.
[21:45.360 --> 21:51.360]  It says notice of intent to take oral deposition by videotaped recording,
[21:51.360 --> 21:56.360]  and they just state on here, and this is what really kind of ticks off.
[21:56.360 --> 21:58.360]  Please take notice that on this day, at this place,
[21:58.360 --> 22:05.360]  the undersigned party will show up at 2 o'clock at the offices of an attorney
[22:05.360 --> 22:09.360]  in Butte, Texas at the time set forth before another republic
[22:09.360 --> 22:12.360]  and give deposition.
[22:12.360 --> 22:17.360]  Such deposition will be stenographically recorded by Sunbelt Court Reporting,
[22:17.360 --> 22:19.360]  I guess I can say their name,
[22:19.360 --> 22:23.360]  and may be videotaped recorded by a Dewey qualified video technician,
[22:23.360 --> 22:26.360]  and then I have a question about the next statement.
[22:26.360 --> 22:31.360]  The expense of such videotaped recording shall be taxed as cost
[22:31.360 --> 22:35.360]  unless objected thereto in writing prior to the deposition.
[22:35.360 --> 22:38.360]  Does that mean they're going to charge their client?
[22:38.360 --> 22:39.360]  Yes.
[22:39.360 --> 22:44.360]  I tried to look it up in black, and I can't find the term.
[22:44.360 --> 22:47.360]  Actually, it'll go to attorney cost,
[22:47.360 --> 22:54.360]  so it'll be assessed as attorney fees, and whoever loses pays.
[22:54.360 --> 22:58.360]  Okay, so then the last thing on here is the said deposition,
[22:58.360 --> 23:01.360]  when so taken and returned according to law,
[23:01.360 --> 23:04.360]  doesn't say returned to whom by whom,
[23:04.360 --> 23:09.360]  to be used in evidence upon the trial of said cause,
[23:09.360 --> 23:13.360]  and you may be present at such time to examine said witness
[23:13.360 --> 23:16.360]  as you may deem proper.
[23:16.360 --> 23:18.360]  This doesn't make any sense to me at all.
[23:18.360 --> 23:20.360]  I was like, who's doing what to who?
[23:20.360 --> 23:21.360]  That's not for you.
[23:21.360 --> 23:24.360]  That's for the opposition.
[23:24.360 --> 23:30.360]  But everything up until there has, like, her name on it.
[23:30.360 --> 23:34.360]  So I'm thinking if it says you, it's talking about her.
[23:34.360 --> 23:36.360]  Seems to, yes.
[23:36.360 --> 23:40.360]  The wording, the English, the grammar is so poor
[23:40.360 --> 23:42.360]  that it sounds to me like...
[23:42.360 --> 23:43.360]  They're lawyers.
[23:43.360 --> 23:47.360]  You need to send it back then and request more definite statements.
[23:47.360 --> 23:50.360]  Yeah, because, and this is what they filed.
[23:50.360 --> 23:52.360]  This is a copy of it.
[23:52.360 --> 23:56.360]  So our response basically was,
[23:56.360 --> 24:01.360]  I received your deposition subpoena for this cause number.
[24:01.360 --> 24:05.360]  I recognize I have a duty to witness in cases where required.
[24:05.360 --> 24:08.360]  However, it is inappropriate for me to be subjected
[24:08.360 --> 24:11.360]  to the major inconvenience and cost of appearing at your leisure
[24:11.360 --> 24:14.360]  and at a venue which is not even in my home county.
[24:14.360 --> 24:17.360]  I've tried these past months to erase this incident from my mind,
[24:17.360 --> 24:20.360]  as it was very upsetting to me.
[24:20.360 --> 24:23.360]  I must also object to videotaping my statement.
[24:23.360 --> 24:25.360]  I'm not comfortable before a camera
[24:25.360 --> 24:27.360]  and I feel that digital media is easily altered
[24:27.360 --> 24:29.360]  or edited to be misleading.
[24:29.360 --> 24:32.360]  I propose that you supply a court-appointed stenographer
[24:32.360 --> 24:35.360]  to take my deposition, signed and sealed,
[24:35.360 --> 24:38.360]  to be entered into the court record in total.
[24:38.360 --> 24:44.360]  I am located very near this particular library, located here,
[24:44.360 --> 24:47.360]  and this particular date and time at this library
[24:47.360 --> 24:49.360]  would be more to my schedule.
[24:49.360 --> 24:53.360]  As for compensation, $10 is not sufficient to cover
[24:53.360 --> 24:56.360]  the expense I would incur for missing work
[24:56.360 --> 24:59.360]  and my hourly rate is lost,
[24:59.360 --> 25:02.360]  and I would need no further reimbursements
[25:02.360 --> 25:05.360]  since the location would be convenient for me.
[25:05.360 --> 25:10.360]  Please make responses to me in writing at the address below.
[25:10.360 --> 25:14.360]  Okay, here's another objection you need to raise to the subpoena.
[25:14.360 --> 25:15.360]  Okay.
[25:15.360 --> 25:19.360]  200.3 questions and objections.
[25:19.360 --> 25:24.360]  Direct questions, the direct questions to be responded to,
[25:24.360 --> 25:29.360]  to be propounded to the witness must be attached to the notice.
[25:29.360 --> 25:31.360]  Ah, okay.
[25:31.360 --> 25:34.360]  So we would like them to give us the list of questions.
[25:34.360 --> 25:38.360]  Yeah, the list of questions, write down 200.3.
[25:38.360 --> 25:43.360]  Yeah, pursuant to section 200.3, rules of civil procedure.
[25:43.360 --> 25:46.360]  We hereby request the paperwork you didn't give us
[25:46.360 --> 25:48.360]  the first time, bozo boy.
[25:48.360 --> 25:51.360]  Yeah, direct questions, okay.
[25:51.360 --> 25:53.360]  And you put bozo boy in charge.
[25:53.360 --> 25:57.360]  That's right, so prior to our meeting, right?
[25:57.360 --> 25:58.360]  Yes.
[25:58.360 --> 26:00.360]  Well, if the grammar in this notice is that bad,
[26:00.360 --> 26:03.360]  I mean, who did she hire, Bubba's Law Service?
[26:03.360 --> 26:04.360]  Who knows?
[26:04.360 --> 26:07.360]  Well, one attorney is in Dallas.
[26:07.360 --> 26:10.360]  The other, well, one party is in Dallas.
[26:10.360 --> 26:12.360]  The other party is in San Antonio,
[26:12.360 --> 26:15.360]  and my friend is like the innocent third party
[26:15.360 --> 26:18.360]  whose car was the third car that was thrown off the road
[26:18.360 --> 26:22.360]  by the same accident, and so they want her to witness.
[26:22.360 --> 26:24.360]  They're going after each other.
[26:24.360 --> 26:27.360]  She's kind of the, she said, well, you know,
[26:27.360 --> 26:29.360]  her insurance repaired her car.
[26:29.360 --> 26:31.360]  She's trying to get over it and not think about it,
[26:31.360 --> 26:32.360]  but she's just driving along,
[26:32.360 --> 26:34.360]  and all of a sudden cars are flying everywhere.
[26:34.360 --> 26:37.360]  So they want her, apparently, to come in
[26:37.360 --> 26:40.360]  and be like a tiebreaker and say she saw something
[26:40.360 --> 26:43.360]  that maybe she didn't see or who knows.
[26:43.360 --> 26:48.360]  But, you know, there were injuries in the middle car,
[26:48.360 --> 26:50.360]  if you will.
[26:50.360 --> 26:55.360]  As I understand it, a truck caused the accident,
[26:55.360 --> 26:59.360]  lost control, hit the one side and swerved across the other
[26:59.360 --> 27:03.360]  and took out a car in between, you know, him in the middle,
[27:03.360 --> 27:05.360]  and then she got hit.
[27:05.360 --> 27:09.360]  And so the guy that got squashed in the middle was not at fault,
[27:09.360 --> 27:11.360]  but there were injuries in the car,
[27:11.360 --> 27:15.360]  and this is what's coming out of that.
[27:15.360 --> 27:17.360]  They are digging it out.
[27:17.360 --> 27:19.360]  This was in San Antonio?
[27:19.360 --> 27:23.360]  No, it occurred in Hays County in Buda, the accident.
[27:23.360 --> 27:27.360]  So all of the parties, none of the parties involved
[27:27.360 --> 27:32.360]  live in Hays County, but the accident occurred there.
[27:32.360 --> 27:37.360]  And so apparently that's, you know, that's why it's in that court.
[27:37.360 --> 27:41.360]  So that's the only reason I can imagine that it's in a Hays County
[27:41.360 --> 27:47.360]  court at all, because none of the parties are Hays County residents.
[27:47.360 --> 27:52.360]  Hays County would have the venue over all of the parties.
[27:52.360 --> 27:56.360]  Right, because the accident was in Hays County.
[27:56.360 --> 27:57.360]  Right.
[27:57.360 --> 28:00.360]  Dallas County would have venue over one party,
[28:00.360 --> 28:03.360]  Bexar County over another party,
[28:03.360 --> 28:05.360]  Travis over a third party.
[28:05.360 --> 28:08.360]  Only Hays would have venue over all three.
[28:08.360 --> 28:10.360]  Right.
[28:10.360 --> 28:13.360]  Yeah, the other thing Randy was reading there, though,
[28:13.360 --> 28:18.360]  irregardless of Hays having jurisdiction in this case for the case itself,
[28:18.360 --> 28:21.360]  it specifically says that for the purpose of the deposition,
[28:21.360 --> 28:24.360]  it can be taken where you are.
[28:24.360 --> 28:25.360]  That's right.
[28:25.360 --> 28:28.360]  It's not a requirement that it be taken where the accident occurred.
[28:28.360 --> 28:31.360]  Right, because this is not a subpoena to come to a trial.
[28:31.360 --> 28:33.360]  It's a subpoena to give a deposition.
[28:33.360 --> 28:36.360]  And so it should not require...
[28:36.360 --> 28:38.360]  But that's also the reason for the language in it.
[28:38.360 --> 28:41.360]  Remember, that subpoena for the deposition is still in order of the court.
[28:41.360 --> 28:43.360]  That's why it says shall.
[28:43.360 --> 28:49.360]  Yes, but I suggest these attorneys will be very accommodating.
[28:49.360 --> 28:55.360]  And we don't have any problem with going and giving a deposition.
[28:55.360 --> 28:58.360]  But yeah, we would like them to be accommodating.
[28:58.360 --> 29:02.360]  You can let them know it would have been polite
[29:02.360 --> 29:10.360]  had you called me and asked me when a day and time would be convenient for me.
[29:10.360 --> 29:16.360]  If you want me to give information that's going to be useful for you,
[29:16.360 --> 29:18.360]  don't piss me off.
[29:18.360 --> 29:23.360]  Well, now, you know, in all fairness, they did try to call.
[29:23.360 --> 29:26.360]  But there are...
[29:26.360 --> 29:29.360]  I mean, I don't know how many calls you get from law firms
[29:29.360 --> 29:33.360]  and from credit-fixing places and what have you.
[29:33.360 --> 29:35.360]  There were strange messages left on the record.
[29:35.360 --> 29:37.360]  Well, they could have left a message.
[29:37.360 --> 29:39.360]  I mean, really, they should have done it in writing.
[29:39.360 --> 29:41.360]  All things like this need to be done in writing.
[29:41.360 --> 29:43.360]  Listen, we're going to break.
[29:43.360 --> 29:45.360]  And we also have Dan from Connecticut on the other line.
[29:45.360 --> 29:46.360]  Okay.
[29:46.360 --> 29:50.360]  Well, I will go and finish my letter and just talk to you all later then.
[29:50.360 --> 29:51.360]  Okay.
[29:51.360 --> 29:52.360]  All right.
[29:52.360 --> 29:53.360]  Thank you so much.
[29:53.360 --> 29:54.360]  I'm looking forward to the seminar.
[29:54.360 --> 29:55.360]  All right.
[29:55.360 --> 29:56.360]  Thanks.
[29:56.360 --> 29:57.360]  Okay. Bye-bye.
[29:57.360 --> 29:58.360]  Okay.
[29:58.360 --> 30:25.360]  Bye-bye.
[30:25.360 --> 30:29.960]  for a new Continental Congress. Just as our founders assembled before us, we too will
[30:29.960 --> 30:34.440]  gather to discuss the abuses of our governments and what we can do to correct them. I'm asking
[30:34.440 --> 30:38.920]  for your vote and your support in being one of three Texans to represent our great state
[30:38.920 --> 30:43.960]  in this historic event. You can vote this Saturday, October the 10th, at Ruta Maya on
[30:43.960 --> 30:50.080]  3601 South Congress Avenue. Anytime from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Again, that's Saturday, October
[30:50.080 --> 30:56.560]  the 10th, at Ruta Maya on 3601 South Congress Avenue. Go to GiveMeLiberty.org for more info
[30:56.560 --> 31:25.920]  and remember to always humanize, harmonize, localize.
[31:27.560 --> 31:46.560]  Oh, I walk, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes. Only once refuse your nose also doesn't lie.
[31:46.560 --> 32:02.560]  It seems you like the face, but please take some words to the wise. Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[32:16.560 --> 32:45.560]  An orange is an orange and will never be an apple. This image is enough, it is no tough concept to grapple.
[32:45.560 --> 33:02.560]  It's just too much to bear. I won't wear your evil shackles. A blue bird is a blue bird and will never be a grapple.
[33:15.560 --> 33:40.560]  Please stop this. Can you say cover up? What's up? Get got you done.
[33:40.560 --> 33:50.560]  Open your eyes further, don't help murder these soldiers so young to profit from crime.
[34:10.560 --> 34:18.560]  I encourage you to do so. And personally, if you are in Texas, go vote Michael Badnerich because you know it's definitely up.
[34:18.560 --> 34:23.560]  And of course, Chuck Bush or John Bush.
[34:23.560 --> 34:31.560]  Yes, he's on the network. Yes, we endorse, yes, Rule of Law Radio endorses John Bush for sure and I personally endorse Michael Badnerich.
[34:31.560 --> 34:35.560]  I believe the rest of the network endorses Michael Badnerich as well.
[34:35.560 --> 34:45.560]  Okay, anyway, I myself was going to be a delegate nominee, but I decided I should probably drop out.
[34:45.560 --> 34:49.560]  There are just too many fights I'm kind of engaged in here right now.
[34:49.560 --> 34:58.560]  And, you know, as it stands, I already have plenty of delegates that I've been in touch with that are willing to go take what I would put forward anyway.
[34:58.560 --> 35:03.560]  So essentially, that's pretty much where that goes. So I just want to go into it.
[35:03.560 --> 35:19.560]  I know it's been said on your show several times, if there wasn't like, what was it, one out of 50,000 people who would actually go and assert their rights in court and really go ask people with grand jury complaints, this whole thing would be shut down?
[35:19.560 --> 35:20.560]  Yes.
[35:20.560 --> 35:33.560]  Yeah, I mean, and I've just been looking through that and with my own experience, I mean, just using tort letters and just basically saying, you know, hey, what's going on with this here? You don't really hear back.
[35:33.560 --> 35:40.560]  So I figured the Continental Congress would be an excellent forum to bring that up in.
[35:40.560 --> 35:50.560]  You know, if you could have, but, you know, even 20 people in one state, I personally think it would only take one or two in a smaller state.
[35:50.560 --> 35:57.560]  Let's just face it, we all know that everything that they have in the books, it's totally impossible to comply with.
[35:57.560 --> 35:59.560]  There's just no way.
[35:59.560 --> 36:05.560]  I mean, that would completely just shut everything that's wrong with our current system down.
[36:05.560 --> 36:07.560]  Don't you guys agree?
[36:07.560 --> 36:15.560]  We take the system, take all of these excessive statutes and turn it back on them.
[36:15.560 --> 36:16.560]  Yeah.
[36:16.560 --> 36:18.560]  We can't comply with all of them.
[36:18.560 --> 36:19.560]  They can't either.
[36:19.560 --> 36:22.560]  Well, I think we could make it fairly short.
[36:22.560 --> 36:26.560]  Rule one, you can't do this list of things.
[36:26.560 --> 36:32.560]  Rule ten, see rule one.
[36:32.560 --> 36:35.560]  Yeah, you guys have played Jenga, right?
[36:35.560 --> 36:38.560]  You've heard of it, at least?
[36:38.560 --> 36:44.560]  Yeah, well, if anybody has, it's basically this game where you have a whole bunch of blocks stacked up,
[36:44.560 --> 36:49.560]  and you have to pull out certain blocks and the whole thing can't fall over.
[36:49.560 --> 36:57.560]  I mean, that's just the way I'm looking at it, be it with mortgages, be it with, you know, tax cases, be it with the motor vehicle code.
[36:57.560 --> 37:05.560]  I guess I just had this epiphany over, you know, the last series of months when I even thought of throwing my hat in the ring,
[37:05.560 --> 37:13.560]  but I figured even if we did that, you know, and even if, let's just say, the Continental Congress 2009 decided,
[37:13.560 --> 37:21.560]  let's just not go that route, personally I would, because personally I think as far as the We the People Foundation goes,
[37:21.560 --> 37:29.560]  I really like the issues they raised in their lawsuits, and I'm probably sure you guys have seen them, but there's just no teeth in it.
[37:29.560 --> 37:35.560]  Essentially, the effect was we're suing you to ask you questions we already know the answer to,
[37:35.560 --> 37:40.560]  and we obviously know these are criminal acts, but we've never filed criminal petitions.
[37:40.560 --> 37:47.560]  And I've met Bob Schultz before in person, and I've asked him, have you considered grand jury complaints?
[37:47.560 --> 37:49.560]  He said nothing about it.
[37:49.560 --> 37:55.560]  Now, I mean, I'm sure there are people out there who think, you know, well, our courts don't work and, you know, this and that,
[37:55.560 --> 37:58.560]  and it's like, well, have you tried everything?
[37:58.560 --> 38:02.560]  And if you haven't tried everything, you can't quite say that yet, can you?
[38:02.560 --> 38:07.560]  And I think the same thing goes with a whole bunch of different other things we can do.
[38:07.560 --> 38:10.560]  With third parties, there's a lot of things we haven't tried.
[38:10.560 --> 38:14.560]  Even working within the major parties, there are a lot of things we haven't tried.
[38:14.560 --> 38:21.560]  As much as I would down that because of the way the parties are structured, you know, but the thing is simple.
[38:21.560 --> 38:27.560]  There's just a lot of stuff out there we can do, and I think if we could combine that with grand jury complaints
[38:27.560 --> 38:31.560]  and political action and tort letters, you know, when it comes to some of these loans,
[38:31.560 --> 38:36.560]  we could shut the whole thing down in like two, three years max.
[38:36.560 --> 38:43.560]  Well, I think pretty much the way we try to do things with what we're doing, at least as far as Randy and I and Deborah,
[38:43.560 --> 38:46.560]  is that we're doing the reverse Jenga thing.
[38:46.560 --> 38:50.560]  We're kicking every dag gum block loose we can to make it fall over.
[38:50.560 --> 38:56.560]  But the problem is there are times it just seems like we're doing it by ourselves.
[38:56.560 --> 38:57.560]  Now, I know we're not.
[38:57.560 --> 38:59.560]  Please don't let anybody out there take that the wrong way.
[38:59.560 --> 39:05.560]  I know there are hundreds and thousands of people that have their own battlefronts going on.
[39:05.560 --> 39:10.560]  But I will tell you one thing that I have thought about for many years now.
[39:10.560 --> 39:18.560]  We have been as unsuccessful as we have because we are still fighting single-handed battles.
[39:18.560 --> 39:20.560]  We are not uniting.
[39:20.560 --> 39:24.560]  We are not concentrating and concerning our efforts.
[39:24.560 --> 39:32.560]  We are not putting together a cohesive plan that involves the knowledge and information base that all of us possess
[39:32.560 --> 39:37.560]  to make a juggernaut of a machine that cannot be resisted.
[39:37.560 --> 39:39.560]  You're exactly right.
[39:39.560 --> 39:42.560]  If we do that, we would win.
[39:42.560 --> 39:44.560]  You're exactly right.
[39:44.560 --> 39:51.560]  Let me just give you an example of what I started finding out when I went down the rabbit hole.
[39:51.560 --> 39:54.560]  I was initially a guest on Rule of Law.
[39:54.560 --> 39:58.560]  What was it, 2007, guys?
[39:58.560 --> 40:00.560]  Yeah, quite a while ago.
[40:00.560 --> 40:02.560]  Yeah, it was 2007.
[40:02.560 --> 40:08.560]  Then through the Rule of Law, I found out about Dave Merland, who's got his own thing going on.
[40:08.560 --> 40:11.560]  He takes a slightly different approach.
[40:11.560 --> 40:16.560]  Then I found out about Frederick Graves, who's really good with procedure.
[40:16.560 --> 40:22.560]  Then I found out about a whole bunch of other different stuff that other people were doing.
[40:22.560 --> 40:29.560]  I think it was like six months ago I started thinking about it and really looking into it and putting it all together.
[40:29.560 --> 40:33.560]  I was like, wow, this is just like a full frontal assault.
[40:33.560 --> 40:38.560]  If you add everything together, there's no way to beat it.
[40:38.560 --> 40:43.560]  Even if they're really trying to keep up with everything, they just can't possibly do it.
[40:43.560 --> 40:47.560]  Be it through due process, be it through rules of evidence.
[40:47.560 --> 40:52.560]  You could easily take away their evidence if they even get that far.
[40:52.560 --> 40:54.560]  It's really amazing.
[40:54.560 --> 41:00.560]  I have a lot of hopes as far as the Congress, because there have been delegates willing to present the information.
[41:00.560 --> 41:09.560]  What I'm going to do is I'm going to email all the stuff that I've put together based on everything that I've found.
[41:09.560 --> 41:13.560]  Once we get this going, because I know they're going to come up with some kind of a plan.
[41:13.560 --> 41:17.560]  Back when the original Continental Congress, like the first one came up,
[41:17.560 --> 41:23.560]  we were just writing letters to King George saying, please, oh, pretty please, don't tax us to death.
[41:23.560 --> 41:26.560]  Don't do this, that, and the other thing.
[41:26.560 --> 41:32.560]  Now, because of what those people have done, we have a lot more protection in the law and in statute
[41:32.560 --> 41:38.560]  that I think even the freedom movement takes for granted.
[41:38.560 --> 41:40.560]  Well, can I jump in on that?
[41:40.560 --> 41:41.560]  Oh, sure.
[41:41.560 --> 41:43.560]  I think that's a misspeak.
[41:43.560 --> 41:53.560]  We don't have any protection that we ourselves are not willing to enforce, whether it be in statute or anything else.
[41:53.560 --> 42:04.560]  If we don't stand behind each other and say you will not violate what we have, it doesn't matter how many laws we have.
[42:04.560 --> 42:08.560]  We've got 65-plus million of them right now, and look at where we are.
[42:08.560 --> 42:09.560]  I agree with that.
[42:09.560 --> 42:19.560]  Until the people stand united and back each other up, we're going to be in that letter-writing position for the rest of our days.
[42:19.560 --> 42:27.560]  For those of you who have seen Lord of the Rings where this big monster is chasing them all and Gandalf stands before him
[42:27.560 --> 42:42.560]  and takes his staff and slams it into the ground and said, you shall not pass until we have that kind of determination.
[42:42.560 --> 42:45.560]  We won't get this done.
[42:45.560 --> 42:51.560]  When we get that kind of determination, we absolutely will get it done.
[42:51.560 --> 42:54.560]  Can I add in a bit of trivia here?
[42:54.560 --> 42:55.560]  Yes.
[42:55.560 --> 43:02.560]  H.R. 3200 was 16 pages longer than Lord of the Rings.
[43:02.560 --> 43:04.560]  H.R. 3200.
[43:04.560 --> 43:06.560]  Yes.
[43:06.560 --> 43:10.560]  House Resolution 3200.
[43:10.560 --> 43:12.560]  Does that matter?
[43:12.560 --> 43:17.560]  No, it was that wacky health care bill they originally tried to ram down our throat.
[43:17.560 --> 43:19.560]  Oh, okay.
[43:19.560 --> 43:22.560]  That's why I was saying that's the subject matter.
[43:22.560 --> 43:31.560]  Yeah, I believe that's the one where they're going to charge us 8% extra on our federal income tax return if we don't subscribe to the government health care plan.
[43:31.560 --> 43:33.560]  Yes.
[43:33.560 --> 43:35.560]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[43:35.560 --> 43:38.560]  Do you want to stay on the line, Dan?
[43:38.560 --> 43:40.560]  Yeah, I'll hang around for a little bit.
[43:40.560 --> 43:45.560]  Okay, and callers, we have open phone lines right now, 512-646-1984.
[43:45.560 --> 43:48.560]  Call in and ask Eddie or Randy or myself a question.
[43:48.560 --> 43:50.560]  We'll be right back.
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[45:16.560 --> 45:19.560]  Okay, we're back.
[45:19.560 --> 45:29.560]  We're here with Dan Reel from Connecticut, and yeah, that scene that you're referencing in that movie, you know, and of course from the book, Lord of the Rings,
[45:29.560 --> 45:31.560]  that was one of my favorites, too.
[45:31.560 --> 45:42.560]  And another thing about that is, number one, that demon that was inside the mountain, okay, that Gandalf made that stand against, that was his worst fear for one thing.
[45:42.560 --> 45:49.560]  So that was, you know, he was facing his worst fear, and he did it with 100% resolve.
[45:49.560 --> 45:55.560]  And because of that, he was transformed from Gandalf the Great to Gandalf the White,
[45:55.560 --> 46:03.560]  and he had, you know, a whole bunch of extra special strong powers more than what he had before because of that.
[46:03.560 --> 46:11.560]  So that was a nice little moral to the story there, just as a side story inside that, the main story.
[46:11.560 --> 46:22.560]  It seems to always work that way when you face your worst fear, which brings up something I don't think I've ever touched on before.
[46:22.560 --> 46:32.560]  When I was small, my twin and I had a condition where if we were injured or frightened, we couldn't breathe.
[46:32.560 --> 46:38.560]  Both of us did the same thing, and I had it worse than my twin.
[46:38.560 --> 46:45.560]  I have one memory. We were about four or five when we're going from our neighbor's house to the next house, and we were hillbillies.
[46:45.560 --> 46:51.560]  We lived in hills, and we're climbing this steep hill, and everybody's getting in front of us.
[46:51.560 --> 46:59.560]  And I watched my mother and my father go around the corner in the road, and then my two older sisters and my older brother,
[46:59.560 --> 47:05.560]  and my oldest sister, Linda, the one I call the meanest human being God ever made, turned around.
[47:05.560 --> 47:10.560]  And I'm struggling to keep up, and my twin brother's pushing me.
[47:10.560 --> 47:16.560]  And as I struggle, it's like someone reaches in and grabs my lung and squeezes them.
[47:16.560 --> 47:19.560]  And the harder I fight against it, the worse it gets.
[47:19.560 --> 47:23.560]  And my sister turned around and said, you better hurry up. If you don't hurry up, we're just going to leave you.
[47:23.560 --> 47:29.560]  And then the lights went out. I grew up with that as a terror.
[47:29.560 --> 47:38.560]  And then when I got older, I had these dreams that someone was dragging my mother out of the house by the hair of the head.
[47:38.560 --> 47:42.560]  And she's begging me to help her. And I want to.
[47:42.560 --> 47:50.560]  But my arms are like lead, and the harder I struggle, the weaker I get. And they're laughing at me and taunting me.
[47:50.560 --> 47:58.560]  When I was awake, I was bad news. I really was certifiably crazy.
[47:58.560 --> 48:14.560]  But over time, that thing of facing what appeared to be an overwhelming tower and not being able to do anything against it.
[48:14.560 --> 48:19.560]  I look at me now, and sometimes I think I'm still fighting that demon.
[48:19.560 --> 48:36.560]  But in taking on what was my worst fear has given me more than anything, far outstrips anything it ever cost me.
[48:36.560 --> 48:40.560]  And just last Monday is an indication.
[48:40.560 --> 48:49.560]  I've been talking about going down to the Secretary of State's office, and they wouldn't give me an apple steal.
[48:49.560 --> 48:58.560]  So I called the DPS, and they came down. They wound up arresting me, smashing my face into a wall, breaking a tooth,
[48:58.560 --> 49:05.560]  ruining my best suit, threw me in jail, and let me out without charges.
[49:05.560 --> 49:15.560]  And when I filed a bunch of information requests and they knew I was going to sue them, they come back after me with criminal charges of criminal trespass.
[49:15.560 --> 49:21.560]  So we took them on, filed my standard motions, which I've never got before court yet.
[49:21.560 --> 49:28.560]  And they appointed me counsel, and I've talked about how to handle your own counsel.
[49:28.560 --> 49:35.560]  And when this occurred, I thought, you know, I've been running my mouth about how to handle your own attorney.
[49:35.560 --> 49:47.560]  And as much as I don't want to spend six months in jail, this is my opportunity to put my actions where my mouth was.
[49:47.560 --> 49:58.560]  So the first thing I did is let my attorney know what I was going to do to him if he didn't adequately adjudicate all of these 20 due process violations.
[49:58.560 --> 50:05.560]  And folks, I can tell you for certain, it worked.
[50:05.560 --> 50:11.560]  I had an attorney that was jumping through hoops to keep me happy.
[50:11.560 --> 50:19.560]  And Monday, we went to a pre-trial hearing where all of these officers had been subpoenaed.
[50:19.560 --> 50:24.560]  This was the second hearing. The first hearing, they didn't subpoena the primary officer.
[50:24.560 --> 50:31.560]  So we got a continuance so they could get the primary officer. We come back, they got nobody.
[50:31.560 --> 50:39.560]  And the prosecutors doing all of this song and dance of all of this stuff they're going to do to me.
[50:39.560 --> 50:48.560]  And had my attorney tell me about filing criminal complaints, because apparently they had looked into my history,
[50:48.560 --> 50:57.560]  and let him know that if I started filing criminal complaints, they'd start filing criminal charges of tampering with a government document.
[50:57.560 --> 51:04.560]  And so last Monday I was down there and they didn't have any witnesses.
[51:04.560 --> 51:12.560]  And I wanted them to subpoena the magistrate who found probable cause.
[51:12.560 --> 51:19.560]  I wanted to subpoena a judge. And there was something about it.
[51:19.560 --> 51:24.560]  Who were the guys who scared me the most?
[51:24.560 --> 51:33.560]  Who were the ones that I perceived to have the most power that caused me to feel the most helpless and weak?
[51:33.560 --> 51:39.560]  Those are the ones I want to jump right square in the middle of them.
[51:39.560 --> 51:44.560]  And let them know, do your worst.
[51:44.560 --> 51:51.560]  Yeah, that's what they tried to do to Robert Fox, is accuse him of tampering with a government document for filing a criminal complaint.
[51:51.560 --> 51:53.560]  Yes, they threw him in jail and held him.
[51:53.560 --> 51:57.560]  Tampering with what document?
[51:57.560 --> 51:58.560]  Exactly.
[51:58.560 --> 52:04.560]  I mean, you're filing under penalty of perjury. You're speaking the facts. You're speaking the truth.
[52:04.560 --> 52:07.560]  So what is it? What are you tampering with?
[52:07.560 --> 52:14.560]  Yeah, so he took him on. He spent 190 days in jail.
[52:14.560 --> 52:17.560]  He gets out, goes to court.
[52:17.560 --> 52:20.560]  The prosecution calls their first witness.
[52:20.560 --> 52:28.560]  Their first witness testifies when their first witness prosecution witness is finished testifying.
[52:28.560 --> 52:37.560]  The judge calls Robert's attorney who I finally talked him into getting and the prosecutor into chambers.
[52:37.560 --> 52:49.560]  Robert's attorney came out and said the judge said that if you will waive your right to injury trial and let the judge adjudicate in this case,
[52:49.560 --> 52:54.560]  he will find you not guilty on all counts.
[52:54.560 --> 52:58.560]  This is after the prosecution's first witness.
[52:58.560 --> 53:00.560]  I'd like to get that in writing.
[53:00.560 --> 53:05.560]  Yes, that would have been my first statement. You tell the judge to put it in writing and I'll be happy to go along with it.
[53:05.560 --> 53:16.560]  He subsequently, he let the prosecutor call two more witnesses, the chief of police and the officer who made the criminal complaint against Robert.
[53:16.560 --> 53:24.560]  And as soon as the last one got off the stand, and this was a pretrial hearing, an evidentiary hearing.
[53:24.560 --> 53:27.560]  It wasn't the trial on the cause.
[53:27.560 --> 53:31.560]  The judge stood up and said not guilty on all counts. Boom.
[53:31.560 --> 53:35.560]  So judge, you actually did what he said he was going to do. Amazing.
[53:35.560 --> 53:39.560]  And Robert took him on.
[53:39.560 --> 53:49.560]  And in this case, last Monday, I was in court and it was supposed to be an evidentiary hearing and the prosecutor didn't bring their witnesses.
[53:49.560 --> 53:53.560]  Well, that's when I knew. Got you, Bubba.
[53:53.560 --> 54:01.560]  The last thing the prosecutor wanted was for me to cross examine one of their witnesses on the stand.
[54:01.560 --> 54:08.560]  The prosecutor knew full well from reading their statements that they were lying like dogs.
[54:08.560 --> 54:16.560]  The prosecutor did everything they could to threaten me with everything they possibly could.
[54:16.560 --> 54:24.560]  And Carolyn Skidmore was there and we have McNamara was there.
[54:24.560 --> 54:29.560]  And we're watching these guys. The judge can't stop looking at us.
[54:29.560 --> 54:33.560]  And it goes to the power of having witnesses.
[54:33.560 --> 54:40.560]  The prosecutor and the attorney is talking to the judge and he can't stop looking back at us sitting there.
[54:40.560 --> 54:44.560]  And I'm sitting there just grinning at him because I know what's going on.
[54:44.560 --> 54:53.560]  And my attorney is just dancing. He is furious at this prosecutor because prosecutors giving him a hard time.
[54:53.560 --> 54:56.560]  And he knows what I'm fixing to do to him.
[54:56.560 --> 55:04.560]  If he don't force them to dismiss and then he comes to me for concession.
[55:04.560 --> 55:10.560]  And they said, well, their witnesses aren't here, but the prosecutor wants to go ahead with the case.
[55:10.560 --> 55:16.560]  So we'll let the prosecutor try. But prosecutors not producing any witness in any evidence.
[55:16.560 --> 55:19.560]  He said, well, they can produce hearsay. Well, maybe they can.
[55:19.560 --> 55:27.560]  But the prosecutor can't do it. And maybe they can produce hearsay for the purpose of initiating the action.
[55:27.560 --> 55:31.560]  But hearsay is not sufficient to find probable cause.
[55:31.560 --> 55:37.560]  And then my attorney, oh, Mr. Carolyn, but they're going to force this before the court.
[55:37.560 --> 55:42.560]  I said, well, if the prosecutor wants to showdown, I got some things for him.
[55:42.560 --> 55:44.560]  Don't start talking about those criminal complaints.
[55:44.560 --> 55:50.560]  The prosecutor said, if you start filing criminal complaints, well, they'll file tampering with the government document against you.
[55:50.560 --> 55:52.560]  Bring it on.
[55:52.560 --> 55:59.560]  I pulled out a stack about a quarter inch high. There you go. Tell them to take their best shot.
[55:59.560 --> 56:06.560]  So he went back up there and they were going to wait till after lunch and give them time.
[56:06.560 --> 56:11.560]  Well, they said that they hadn't called the officers in because they didn't think they would need them.
[56:11.560 --> 56:18.560]  They said they will need them because I will demonstrate that I'd ask for a Frank Shearing.
[56:18.560 --> 56:22.560]  And my attorney didn't know what it was.
[56:22.560 --> 56:27.560]  I told him that I wanted to subpoena the magistrate, Herb Evans.
[56:27.560 --> 56:32.560]  And he said, well, he was afraid to do that because he didn't want to lose his bar card.
[56:32.560 --> 56:39.560]  He said he had to have grounds. I said, I got grounds. I want to have a Frank Shearing.
[56:39.560 --> 56:44.560]  He didn't know what a Frank Shearing was and was embarrassed to ask.
[56:44.560 --> 56:47.560]  So I explained it to him anyway.
[56:47.560 --> 56:58.560]  Frank Shearing is a hearing for the purpose of determining the veracity, the truthfulness of the testimony of the person who went before the magistrate to secure a warrant.
[56:58.560 --> 57:05.560]  And in order to elicit that testimony, I need to question the judge on the stand.
[57:05.560 --> 57:10.560]  And when I told my attorney that, he just shook his head. Oh, Mr. Kelton.
[57:10.560 --> 57:14.560]  Well, you'll have to subpoena him. I'll be glad to subpoena him.
[57:14.560 --> 57:20.560]  So we're at the hearing and I want the judge there. I'm upping the stakes.
[57:20.560 --> 57:24.560]  Last thing the prosecutor is going to want to do is put the judge on the stand.
[57:24.560 --> 57:29.560]  Now, you've got to consider I'm looking at six months in jail.
[57:29.560 --> 57:38.560]  So they and they try to shake that in front of me that they're going to ask for the maximum sentence.
[57:38.560 --> 57:43.560]  And by this time, I'm pretty wound up and who cares?
[57:43.560 --> 57:49.560]  I'm either going to jail or not. There's no way they're going to put me in jail on a first offense, even if they did find me guilty.
[57:49.560 --> 57:55.560]  So I know that. But in your heart, you're always worried that the worst thing could happen.
[57:55.560 --> 58:02.560]  So we went to lunch and they were supposed to have their officers there. I told the attorney, you tell those prosecutes.
[58:02.560 --> 58:09.560]  They can't claim inconvenience. These officers are on public payroll. Call the dispatcher, have them routed here.
[58:09.560 --> 58:11.560]  And I'll finish up quickly.
[58:11.560 --> 58:18.560]  All right. We're starting to get some more calls here. We got Michael Anthony in New York and someone else.
[58:18.560 --> 58:21.560]  Did you have any more comments for us, Dan?
[58:21.560 --> 58:23.560]  Yeah, I'll take them on the other side.
[58:23.560 --> 58:26.560]  Dan's going to stay with us and comment on Randy's story.
[58:26.560 --> 58:29.560]  Randy's going to finish the story. We'll be right back. Top of the hour.
[58:29.560 --> 58:34.560]  We got one more hour on our Friday night info marathon here on the rule of law.
[58:34.560 --> 59:00.560]  We'll be back after this news break.
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[59:54.560 --> 01:00:15.560]  The U.S. budget deficit is expected to hit a record $1.4 trillion in 2009, some $950 billion greater than last year's shortfall.
[01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:22.560]  The deficit resulted from declining revenues and increased spending, standing mostly from the financial stimulus package.
[01:00:22.560 --> 01:00:31.560]  Representatives Ron Paul and Alan Grayson are asking the Senate to hold off on Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's confirmation hearing
[01:00:31.560 --> 01:00:36.560]  until the Fed releases more information about its financial rescues.
[01:00:36.560 --> 01:00:40.560]  In a sign that more banks are under great pressure from the recession,
[01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:52.560]  34 financial institutions did not pay quarterly dividends in August to the Treasury on funds obtained under the troubled asset relief fund.
[01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:58.560]  Japan's new government is reviewing an agreement with Washington on U.S. military facilities.
[01:00:58.560 --> 01:01:07.560]  This is a follow-up to a campaign pledge to residents of Okinawa Island who have borne the brunt of the American presence for more than 60 years.
[01:01:07.560 --> 01:01:13.560]  Around 50,000 American troops are based in Japan, of which two-thirds are in Okinawa.
[01:01:13.560 --> 01:01:20.560]  Resentment against their presence has grown in recent years due to a series of crimes committed by service personnel.
[01:01:20.560 --> 01:01:31.560]  In February 2008, a case against a Marine accused of raping a 14-year-old girl was dropped after she withdrew the accusation, apparently to avoid the ordeal of a trial.
[01:01:31.560 --> 01:01:39.560]  The case revived bitter memories of the abduction and rape of a 12-year-old girl in 1995 by three U.S. servicemen.
[01:01:39.560 --> 01:01:45.560]  Katsuya Okada, the foreign minister, said he wants the American military to remain in Japan,
[01:01:45.560 --> 01:01:53.560]  but at a reduced level on the mostly southerly islands that include Okinawa.
[01:01:53.560 --> 01:01:58.560]  A year after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac teetered on the brink of bankruptcy,
[01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:05.560]  industry executives and Washington policymakers are worried another government mortgage giant could be next.
[01:02:05.560 --> 01:02:12.560]  Problems at the Federal Housing Administration, which guarantees mortgages and low-down payments, are becoming so acute,
[01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:16.560]  some experts warn the agency might need a federal bailout.
[01:02:16.560 --> 01:02:22.560]  FHA Commissioner David Stevens assured lawmakers Thursday his agency would not need a bailout,
[01:02:22.560 --> 01:02:32.560]  but Stevens acknowledged that some 20% of FHA loans insured last year faced serious problems, including foreclosure.
[01:02:32.560 --> 01:02:40.560]  In the years since the government stepped in to rescue them, the companies have taken $96 billion from the Treasury and may need more.
[01:02:40.560 --> 01:02:47.560]  Since the bottom fell out of the mortgage market, the FHA has assumed a crucial role in the nation's housing market.
[01:02:47.560 --> 01:02:52.560]  Created to help lower-income and first-time buyers purchase homes,
[01:02:52.560 --> 01:03:17.560]  the agency now insures 5.4 million single-family home mortgages worth $675 billion.
[01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:30.560]  Story for everyone to hear, but how we're not gonna give in to the spirit of time.
[01:03:30.560 --> 01:03:39.560]  Yeah, a story, a nice one, a story, a nice one, a nice one.
[01:03:39.560 --> 01:03:54.560]  I will lie by my father's door till he returns. He has to be with his wife and with dogs.
[01:03:54.560 --> 01:04:12.160]  Okay, we are back.
[01:04:12.160 --> 01:04:14.920]  Final hour of the rule of law.
[01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:20.020]  We're speaking with Dan in Connecticut here, who is going to give his comments in just
[01:04:20.020 --> 01:04:21.020]  a moment.
[01:04:21.020 --> 01:04:22.020]  Okay, Randy, go ahead.
[01:04:22.020 --> 01:04:24.920]  And then we'll speak with Michael Anthony.
[01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:30.000]  Okay, I was kind of going through all the stuff they were doing.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:35.400]  And anyone who's ever watched Monsters, Inc. will appreciate it.
[01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:41.280]  Because I'm watching this prosecutor and he reminded me of the monster in Monsters, Inc.
[01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.080]  who runs out and boo, boo, boo, boo.
[01:04:45.080 --> 01:04:49.720]  And I'm supposed to be shaking in my boots.
[01:04:49.720 --> 01:04:52.880]  But I didn't shake in my boots.
[01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:58.680]  And a lot of it was because I run my mouth on the radio and I didn't have any room to
[01:04:58.680 --> 01:04:59.680]  back up.
[01:04:59.680 --> 01:05:08.920]  Well, we went out for lunch and they were supposed to get the officers sent to the court
[01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.920]  so we could come back after lunch and they were going to put me on the stand.
[01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:18.380]  And the attorney warned me about being put on the stand because the prosecutor was going
[01:05:18.380 --> 01:05:21.640]  to get the opportunity to cross-examine me.
[01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:25.440]  I said, yeah, that would be wonderful.
[01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:33.520]  The problem with that is, is examining or cross-examining a witness is always fraught
[01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:36.960]  with danger.
[01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:42.640]  If you get a good witness, he can kick your behind and I guarantee you, I will kick the
[01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:49.600]  prosecutors behind and in this case, it was a female and a very large one.
[01:05:49.600 --> 01:05:58.600]  So I went to lunch and got a call from lunch and they screwed up everything.
[01:05:58.600 --> 01:06:01.600]  Turns out they won't let me call witnesses.
[01:06:01.600 --> 01:06:04.480]  They won't let me examine their witnesses.
[01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:05.480]  I can't present evidence.
[01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:06.480]  I can't do anything.
[01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:07.480]  Why not?
[01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.080]  That's against all the rules.
[01:06:09.080 --> 01:06:13.280]  Well, they dismissed it and ruined all my fun.
[01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:17.200]  I was sure looking forward to getting on the stand.
[01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:24.080]  The point of that is, is when you get right up to the wire, that's when they will drag
[01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:33.760]  out all of the fluff and bluster they can find and just prance around and strut around
[01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:38.520]  and let you know all the horrible stuff they're going to do to you.
[01:06:38.520 --> 01:06:44.040]  And the louder they rail at you, the less they have.
[01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:49.400]  With none of that crap all the work, they moved to dismiss.
[01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:58.520]  And frankly, my attorney was furious that they put him through all of this nonsense.
[01:06:58.520 --> 01:07:03.560]  Now consider what's going to happen if we start doing this to attorneys on a regular
[01:07:03.560 --> 01:07:06.080]  basis.
[01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:08.160]  They're going to get sick and tired of it.
[01:07:08.160 --> 01:07:12.560]  This attorney was dancing on the head of a pen.
[01:07:12.560 --> 01:07:16.080]  He was concerned about the judge not liking what was going on.
[01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:21.360]  He told me that the judge didn't want to have to come back after lunch and deal with this.
[01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:25.640]  And I told him, well, you go tell the judge I could care less what he likes.
[01:07:25.640 --> 01:07:27.500]  Well, you're going to get the judge upset.
[01:07:27.500 --> 01:07:30.640]  You tell the judge, I really don't care if he gets upset.
[01:07:30.640 --> 01:07:32.840]  I don't care if he likes me or not.
[01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.000]  What I do care about is whether or not he abides by law.
[01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.440]  If he doesn't, he'll have me after him.
[01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:40.720]  Well, I'm not going to tell the judge that.
[01:07:40.720 --> 01:07:43.320]  Well, go ahead and tell him, I don't care.
[01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.960]  I don't mind if he's pissed off at me.
[01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:47.960]  He'll help my case.
[01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:50.660]  Oh, no, no, I'm not going to do that.
[01:07:50.660 --> 01:07:55.800]  He didn't want the judge upset at him is what the problem was.
[01:07:55.800 --> 01:08:02.600]  But his bigger problem was me being upset at him because he understood that I knew who
[01:08:02.600 --> 01:08:03.920]  was the most dangerous.
[01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:09.000]  Yeah, and the thing is, the judge is probably upset at him anyway.
[01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:15.760]  Well, I had already put in enough motions that the judge fully understood that this
[01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.220]  attorney had an unruly client.
[01:08:18.220 --> 01:08:21.680]  And that's why when they're talking to him, he couldn't stop staring out at me in the
[01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.680]  gallery.
[01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:29.020]  And they threw the whole, the point is they threw the whole thing out.
[01:08:29.020 --> 01:08:34.320]  If you stand up to them, they're fluffing bluster.
[01:08:34.320 --> 01:08:37.580]  You kick them in their teeth and go right back after them.
[01:08:37.580 --> 01:08:38.920]  They crumble and go away.
[01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:44.680]  If we can get, I mean, how many in Travis County, how many are they going to need to
[01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:50.000]  kick them in their teeth and then turn around and sue the crap all out of them to get them
[01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.440]  to say, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:08:52.440 --> 01:08:56.560]  Yeah, which we just may get the chance to do if they jump on me while we're driving
[01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:57.560]  to that seminar.
[01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:02.640]  Well, you've got a good case against them anyway.
[01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:10.640]  And since they, since the prosecution dismissed, it was clear this prosecution of me was for
[01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:15.840]  no purpose other than to keep me from suing them.
[01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.160]  But you could sue them anyway.
[01:09:20.160 --> 01:09:21.520]  Yeah, I could.
[01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:29.320]  But if they found me guilty or if I took a plea, it would be an incredible uphill battle.
[01:09:29.320 --> 01:09:34.360]  They took a risk and they lost.
[01:09:34.360 --> 01:09:40.680]  I was wanting, I wanted my attorney to subpoena the major from the DPS.
[01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:44.520]  The major is not going to want to get on the stand and have me rip him to pieces.
[01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:49.080]  Well, it still doesn't take away all the laws that they broke when they arrested you.
[01:09:49.080 --> 01:09:52.960]  So, I mean, you could still sue them for all those due process violations.
[01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:53.960]  They can't take that away.
[01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:55.640]  They can't take that back.
[01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.720]  Well, they were actually attempting to get him to plea bargain that they would let him
[01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.320]  go if he would not sue.
[01:10:02.320 --> 01:10:05.480]  That was the risk they took.
[01:10:05.480 --> 01:10:09.920]  They were arrogant enough to think they could scare this guy.
[01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:13.560]  But they didn't get a plea deal out of him, so they didn't get him to agree to anything
[01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:16.440]  so he could still go back and sue them anyway.
[01:10:16.440 --> 01:10:21.760]  Yes, even worse, but I'm not going to sue him quite yet.
[01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:25.280]  I have a rather large stack of criminal charges against me.
[01:10:25.280 --> 01:10:28.120]  You're still going to file a criminal complaint.
[01:10:28.120 --> 01:10:30.680]  And this is what I told my attorney.
[01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:35.240]  He said, you know, Mr. Kelton, these issues would be better addressed in a civil case.
[01:10:35.240 --> 01:10:36.840]  You have a real good civil case.
[01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:37.920]  Okay, Randy, tell you what.
[01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:41.720]  How about after you win a big lawsuit and get a bunch of money to help out the network,
[01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:42.720]  then go find it?
[01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.720]  Well, that's what I'm going to do.
[01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.640]  But this won't take long.
[01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:52.080]  I take the criminal complaints to the prosecuting attorney who prosecuted me.
[01:10:52.080 --> 01:10:56.800]  Well, just be aware while you're in the process of doing all this that, according to O'Connor's,
[01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.960]  you have 60 days to file your notice of tort with a county or a city and six months with
[01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:02.960]  the state.
[01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:10.600]  Yes, however, if you file criminal charges, that's notice.
[01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:15.400]  It's in the case law.
[01:11:15.400 --> 01:11:19.780]  All I have to do is notify the court and notify the county that I've been harmed.
[01:11:19.780 --> 01:11:26.120]  And filing of criminal charges against officials for their action is notice to the county.
[01:11:26.120 --> 01:11:28.360]  So that's not a concern.
[01:11:28.360 --> 01:11:30.760]  They'll get their notice of tort.
[01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.120]  When they get the criminal complaint.
[01:11:33.120 --> 01:11:38.560]  They get the criminal complaints not because I care about the criminal complaints.
[01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:40.840]  It's because they'll give me more tort action.
[01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.800]  That's what I told my attorney.
[01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.720]  I'm not through getting them to give me tort action.
[01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:50.960]  Oh, Mr. Kelton, you give me such a headache.
[01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:53.040]  Well, Dan, what do you think about all this?
[01:11:53.040 --> 01:11:54.640]  Dan's been hanging on the line to make comments.
[01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:55.640]  Yes, yes.
[01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.080]  I was going to go back to Dan.
[01:11:57.080 --> 01:12:02.840]  I think the most troubling thing about these kinds of situations, and I'll just tell you
[01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:07.720]  this from firsthand experience, it's the fear that people have.
[01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.200]  And they shouldn't have that fear at all.
[01:12:10.200 --> 01:12:14.800]  As a matter of fact, you know, we know that the law is on their side, the Constitution
[01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:17.280]  is on their side.
[01:12:17.280 --> 01:12:20.440]  And let me just put it to you this way.
[01:12:20.440 --> 01:12:26.280]  If you've ever run for public office, I mean, especially federal office, you hear a lot
[01:12:26.280 --> 01:12:27.280]  of stuff.
[01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:33.680]  Believe it or not, the agency that I heard the most complaints about in Connecticut was
[01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:35.720]  the Department of Children and Families.
[01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:37.240]  You can imagine the fear.
[01:12:37.240 --> 01:12:40.160]  I hear that everywhere.
[01:12:40.160 --> 01:12:42.800]  Yeah, so you have an idea.
[01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:48.400]  As a matter of fact, here's my biggest frustration.
[01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:54.360]  And then the second lowest was concerning taxes and motor vehicle complaints.
[01:12:54.360 --> 01:12:59.320]  I told people, look, if you want to do this and you want to go after these people, I got
[01:12:59.320 --> 01:13:01.600]  your back.
[01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.440]  And I don't look at this like, hey, I want this job or anything.
[01:13:05.440 --> 01:13:10.440]  I look at this like, if I don't do this, that's me next.
[01:13:10.440 --> 01:13:12.720]  That's my family next.
[01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.120]  Because I have a kid and we probably have another one on the way.
[01:13:16.120 --> 01:13:20.600]  You know, and I obviously have, you know, family that has young kids and I don't want
[01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:25.640]  to see any kid ripped out of a home without me, which is, you know, the most common thing.
[01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:28.880]  And people are really terrified with this.
[01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.320]  And I look at it this way.
[01:13:30.320 --> 01:13:35.240]  If you don't fight for your rights, I mean, okay, if you want to be afraid, okay, be afraid.
[01:13:35.240 --> 01:13:39.520]  There are two things you need to be afraid of one, what they can do to you.
[01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:40.520]  Fine.
[01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:43.400]  If you must be afraid, be afraid of that.
[01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:48.160]  But if there's something you should be more afraid of, if that's where you want to go,
[01:13:48.160 --> 01:13:50.880]  be afraid of not doing anything first.
[01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:51.880]  Yes.
[01:13:51.880 --> 01:14:02.360]  And I once told a prosecuting attorney that I once listened to the people I thought were
[01:14:02.360 --> 01:14:06.480]  knowledgeable and were authoritative.
[01:14:06.480 --> 01:14:13.960]  And they told me I should go halfway around the world and engage in this conflict.
[01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:19.200]  And there were other people who were telling me this is a terribly wrong thing to do and
[01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:21.720]  I did not listen.
[01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:30.240]  Now these hands have wrongful blood on them, but there will be no more.
[01:14:30.240 --> 01:14:35.720]  The prosecuting attorney is named Barry, I said, Barry, what are you going to tell your
[01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:43.240]  grandchildren when they ask you why they're having to live under this oppression?
[01:14:43.240 --> 01:14:50.520]  I will be able to tell them I did everything within my power to stop it.
[01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:53.800]  Will you be able to do that?
[01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:58.640]  Will your hands be as clean as I intend mine to be?
[01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:02.920]  I think that is the greatest terror we should all have.
[01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:07.320]  How would we explain this to our children and our grandchildren?
[01:15:07.320 --> 01:15:12.720]  I want to go beyond that, considering the nature of our situation, beyond having to
[01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:14.640]  explain it.
[01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:18.320]  How would people like to watch that happen?
[01:15:18.320 --> 01:15:22.440]  Never mind having the opportunity to explain it.
[01:15:22.440 --> 01:15:24.960]  Cool.
[01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.800]  We're watching it now.
[01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:28.800]  Exactly.
[01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:29.800]  Yeah.
[01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:34.320]  What does a police state look like?
[01:15:34.320 --> 01:15:39.140]  Would you recognize a police state if you were in one?
[01:15:39.140 --> 01:15:48.000]  When Deborah and I did a show at the Austin City Hall, I asked the chief of police what
[01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:52.400]  the average conviction rate in Texas was and he didn't know.
[01:15:52.400 --> 01:16:01.400]  I said, well, would you believe it's on the order of 99.6 because they were wanting their
[01:16:01.400 --> 01:16:05.960]  officers to be able to take blood on the side of the road and I'm asking him why?
[01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:06.960]  What's the purpose?
[01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:10.280]  Well, they need the evidence so they can get a conviction.
[01:16:10.280 --> 01:16:12.320]  I said, well, what's the conviction rate?
[01:16:12.320 --> 01:16:13.320]  He didn't know.
[01:16:13.320 --> 01:16:16.560]  I said, well, how about 99.6?
[01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:22.240]  He turned to his, he had several people with him, he said, well, my statistician is here.
[01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:23.240]  Let me ask him.
[01:16:23.240 --> 01:16:27.840]  And he asked this guy, what is the average conviction rate in Texas?
[01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:33.640]  And the guy kind of ducked his head and he said, well, it's just around 99%.
[01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:39.720]  I said, 99.6, what are they?
[01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.160]  Would you recognize a police state if you were in one?
[01:16:42.160 --> 01:16:43.160]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:43.160 --> 01:16:44.160]  We'll get to your other callers.
[01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:45.160]  All right.
[01:16:45.160 --> 01:16:46.160]  Thanks, Dan.
[01:16:46.160 --> 01:16:47.160]  Excellent.
[01:16:47.160 --> 01:16:48.160]  It's not a problem.
[01:16:48.160 --> 01:16:50.680]  Dan, if you have any more comments, you can stay on the line and then we'll go to the
[01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:51.680]  next call.
[01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:52.680]  Okay.
[01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:53.680]  I'll stay on.
[01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:54.680]  Okay.
[01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:55.680]  All right.
[01:16:55.680 --> 01:17:00.800]  Dan's going to come back with some more comments and then we're going to Michael Anthony.
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[01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:26.240]  Oh, come on, if I can't get everything I want, yeah, oh, come on, oh, come on, oh, oh, oh,
[01:18:26.240 --> 01:18:54.320]  come on, come on, oh, oh, oh, oh, come on, oh, oh, come on, oh, come on, oh, come on,
[01:18:54.320 --> 01:19:13.320]  We can't get all these crazy walls to see Maybe we've got to rage and pray
[01:19:13.320 --> 01:19:28.320]  Looking for a little bitty smith in the hole Could I get a rain check?
[01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:43.320]  I want to reach the top of the hill, sliding on a slippery slope Looking for a rain check
[01:19:43.320 --> 01:19:55.320]  Trying to get away from all the sorrow Can I get a rain check?
[01:19:55.320 --> 01:20:02.320]  If not, then make me some more rose, give me a rain check
[01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:10.320]  Okay, we're back. We're going to get some comments from Dan. Dan, go ahead, make your comments and then we'll go to Michael Anthony in New York.
[01:20:10.320 --> 01:20:20.320]  Well, the bottom line is simple. You basically have to step up, and I know that's really difficult for people, but the bottom line is really just this simple.
[01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:32.320]  You're probably going to be afraid if you've never done it before. You're probably going to be really unfamiliar with the process, but the basis of fear is just ignorance. That's all it is.
[01:20:32.320 --> 01:20:42.320]  And if you realize what's at stake, you're going to find all the strength you need in order to carry out and do it. And I'm just going to finish with this one example.
[01:20:42.320 --> 01:20:51.320]  Mike Gravel. I mean, this is probably totally out of left field. I don't agree with everything he has said and everything he's proposed, but I've met the guy.
[01:20:51.320 --> 01:21:03.320]  That, if nobody's familiar with him, he's the guy that released the Pentagon Papers. Nixon threatened this man with jail if he did it. And he said, you know what, I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway.
[01:21:03.320 --> 01:21:14.320]  And he did. And we need more people like him to step up, not just in public office. I mean, forget it. If you don't want to run for public office, that's fine.
[01:21:14.320 --> 01:21:23.320]  You know, the bottom line is you've got to step up for your own rights. And that can be just as difficult, if not more difficult, depending on the circumstance.
[01:21:23.320 --> 01:21:32.320]  Yeah. And I suspect if you ask Mike Gravel if it was worth it.
[01:21:32.320 --> 01:21:37.320]  I'm sure he'll say it would have, you know, definitely been.
[01:21:37.320 --> 01:21:50.320]  Absolutely. You know, we just had Jim call in from College Station and he commented on how much he got from this fight.
[01:21:50.320 --> 01:21:56.320]  Now, it took all of his energy and all of his resources for a long time to do this.
[01:21:56.320 --> 01:22:11.320]  But the value we get back in what I'm doing here, I've lost my business, I've sold off all my property. Essentially, it has cost me everything.
[01:22:11.320 --> 01:22:30.320]  But I have no regrets. I am I'm a free man. They can do anything they want to me. And I'm still a free man. That's the value I get back. That's far beyond anything I could put into it.
[01:22:30.320 --> 01:22:34.320]  And you got all the wealth you need out of it. All the wealth you need.
[01:22:34.320 --> 01:22:41.320]  Almost. He needs to go to the dentist real bad. So, listeners, we do need some money.
[01:22:41.320 --> 01:22:44.320]  I need to replace that tooth they knocked out.
[01:22:44.320 --> 01:22:47.320]  All that aside.
[01:22:47.320 --> 01:22:54.320]  Maybe being rich is not the best thing in the world, but it has certain compensations.
[01:22:54.320 --> 01:23:01.320]  Well, we do need to at least break even here and get by and get the bills paid and, you know, maintain our health.
[01:23:01.320 --> 01:23:04.320]  I mean, because if we're not healthy, then we can't continue to fight.
[01:23:04.320 --> 01:23:14.320]  So, I mean, being able to do things like go to the dentist and the eye doctor, you know, it's pretty serious business getting the electric bill paid, you know, getting the Internet bill paid.
[01:23:14.320 --> 01:23:22.320]  I mean, these kinds of things have to happen or else there's no radio show. So, I mean, we have to we have to take care of some basics, even if we're not making it rich.
[01:23:22.320 --> 01:23:31.320]  I can afford glasses as long as I buy them at the dollar store and this ear that squeals all the time. It's not so loud.
[01:23:31.320 --> 01:23:37.320]  I can't hear most of the time and I'll eventually get that tooth replaced.
[01:23:37.320 --> 01:23:58.320]  So, but the reward I get back from being free from these guys, you know, I listen to Alex Jones and it's hard for me to listen to him because I feel his pain so strong.
[01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:02.320]  I don't know how he survives it.
[01:24:02.320 --> 01:24:11.320]  Well, he tells us the news and we need to know what's going on. And, you know, I hear a lot of people say that he's a fear monger and that he's just talking about how bad everything is.
[01:24:11.320 --> 01:24:20.320]  And you know what? That's not true. And I'll argue till the cows come home about that because he's not just talking about how bad everything is. He's not just complaining.
[01:24:20.320 --> 01:24:30.320]  He is reporting the news, people. And we need to we need to know these things so that we can take action.
[01:24:30.320 --> 01:24:44.320]  I mean, if it weren't for Alex Jones, that scamster up in Hardin, Montana wouldn't be getting taken down right now by the attorney general of the state of Montana.
[01:24:44.320 --> 01:24:47.320]  That's because of Alex Jones right there.
[01:24:47.320 --> 01:24:55.320]  Exactly. But Alex suffers all this pain and pressure. I don't know how he tolerates it.
[01:24:55.320 --> 01:24:58.320]  I don't know. I don't think he suffers. I don't think he suffers.
[01:24:58.320 --> 01:25:05.320]  Let's sum up how the Founding Fathers had to look at this entire situation, too. And it's one that we're witnessing, as we've said earlier.
[01:25:05.320 --> 01:25:12.320]  It's falling on us. And the way I would put it all together is just say, living in fear, you're only going to live as a slave.
[01:25:12.320 --> 01:25:13.320]  Yeah.
[01:25:13.320 --> 01:25:17.320]  You're going to have to become fearless to live free.
[01:25:17.320 --> 01:25:26.320]  Alex consumes all his time giving out the news. He doesn't get the opportunity to do what I get to do. I get to go in there and win.
[01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:33.320]  Oh, he wins quite a bit more than you think. He gets a lot of wins.
[01:25:33.320 --> 01:25:36.320]  I'm expressing my appreciation for him. I understand.
[01:25:36.320 --> 01:25:52.320]  I mean, like I said, one of his biggest wins is because of his news reporting, the attorney general of the state of Montana is taking down this scamster that rolled into town and basically occupied the town.
[01:25:52.320 --> 01:25:59.320]  And it hasn't been confirmed yet, but this guy looks like he's more than just a scamster.
[01:25:59.320 --> 01:26:09.320]  It looks like he's a CIA op that the CIA brought over from Yugoslavia. So, I mean, that's a big win. He gets a lot of big wins, believe me.
[01:26:09.320 --> 01:26:16.320]  Maybe that's what keeps him going. But I listen to him and I wonder how he handles the stress.
[01:26:16.320 --> 01:26:21.320]  Well, he probably looks at you and says the same thing, you know.
[01:26:21.320 --> 01:26:23.320]  A good chance he does.
[01:26:23.320 --> 01:26:27.320]  Well, anyway, listen, our callers are stacking up. Dan, do you have anything else?
[01:26:27.320 --> 01:26:37.320]  One last thing. Go to a website called freenorwich.com. Look up the post called So Much Info, So Little Time. You'll find something there that you'll like.
[01:26:37.320 --> 01:26:38.320]  All right, great.
[01:26:38.320 --> 01:26:40.320]  Freenorwich.
[01:26:40.320 --> 01:26:41.320]  Norwich?
[01:26:41.320 --> 01:26:47.320]  Norwich, N-O-R-W-I-C-H.com.
[01:26:47.320 --> 01:26:49.320]  Okay, good. Thank you.
[01:26:49.320 --> 01:26:53.320]  Thanks for calling, Dan. What was your last name again?
[01:26:53.320 --> 01:26:58.320]  Real, and I mentioned the frog farm conspiracy and I said click on the frogs.
[01:26:58.320 --> 01:27:00.320]  Excellent. Excellent, Dan.
[01:27:00.320 --> 01:27:03.320]  Take it easy, guys.
[01:27:03.320 --> 01:27:09.320]  Yeah, Alex wins big all the time because he's got millions of listeners and he's woken up millions of people.
[01:27:09.320 --> 01:27:15.320]  And basically because of him, most of the world knows that 9-11 is an inside job and he's doing something about it.
[01:27:15.320 --> 01:27:19.320]  So I know that he knows that he wins big constantly.
[01:27:19.320 --> 01:27:23.320]  So, okay, we're going now to Michael Anthony in New York.
[01:27:23.320 --> 01:27:25.320]  Hi, kids. How are you doing?
[01:27:25.320 --> 01:27:27.320]  Hey, Michael, what's going on?
[01:27:27.320 --> 01:27:30.320]  Hey, Dan brought up a good point before I get to my topic here.
[01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:38.320]  He was talking about, well, Randy and him were talking and if there was some way we could network through maybe your program.
[01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:40.320]  I don't know if you ever give it any thought.
[01:27:40.320 --> 01:27:46.320]  But I'm in Cattaraugus County in western New York and I have nobody in western New York,
[01:27:46.320 --> 01:27:57.320]  Cattaraugus County area involved in the family courts that I could call upon or to help or to help them to get a group where we could go after the court system
[01:27:57.320 --> 01:28:02.320]  and the family court because it's so criminal, everything that they're doing.
[01:28:02.320 --> 01:28:13.320]  Well, Michael, we used to have a forum and I still have the site set up where listeners can network and unfortunately I had to disable all new posts
[01:28:13.320 --> 01:28:20.320]  because I don't have time to moderate and I have no money to hire a staff to, you know,
[01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:25.320]  help run the other shows much less hire somebody to moderate something like a forum.
[01:28:25.320 --> 01:28:33.320]  And unfortunately because it was starting to get filled up with spam and porn, that is a bait for the CIA
[01:28:33.320 --> 01:28:39.320]  and other rogue government ops to go and plant posts saying things such like, you know,
[01:28:39.320 --> 01:28:42.320]  making bomb threats or threats upon the president.
[01:28:42.320 --> 01:28:51.320]  And we know, I know a particular talk show host as of this moment is still fighting from several years ago
[01:28:51.320 --> 01:29:00.320]  from one of these false posts that was planted by a government agent because he didn't have time to moderate his forum.
[01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:10.320]  So unfortunately until I get resources to hire a full-time moderator to screen every single post before it's even posted,
[01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:18.320]  and I don't mean just screen for the title but actually read every post word for word before it's posted,
[01:29:18.320 --> 01:29:22.320]  the forum is shut down right now from any future posts.
[01:29:22.320 --> 01:29:29.320]  Now if a third party entity, someone like you perhaps, wants to set up a forum on your own domain name
[01:29:29.320 --> 01:29:34.320]  that you would register yourself and you want to moderate the forum, I'll be happy to promote it.
[01:29:34.320 --> 01:29:41.320]  But right now we can't go there because we just don't have the time or resources and that is unfortunate.
[01:29:41.320 --> 01:29:49.320]  We're going to break right now. Stay on the line, Michael, and we'll discuss your issues more on the other side.
[01:29:49.320 --> 01:30:00.320]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Debra Stevens. We'll be right back.
[01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:04.320]  There comes a time in every patriot's life when they must ask themselves,
[01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:07.320]  will I sit idly by as tyranny engulfs the globe,
[01:30:07.320 --> 01:30:11.320]  or will I do everything in my power to defend the freedom inherent in all men across the world?
[01:30:11.320 --> 01:30:14.320]  Will I give up hope in the face of seemingly impossible odds,
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[01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:31.320]  Just as our founders assembled before us, we too will gather to discuss the abuses of our government
[01:30:31.320 --> 01:30:33.320]  and what we can do to correct them.
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[01:31:15.320 --> 01:31:17.320]  All right, we are back.
[01:31:17.320 --> 01:31:22.320]  Yes, so listeners, I'm sorry, we never, I don't know if I ever got to say that on the air.
[01:31:22.320 --> 01:31:28.320]  I had gotten several emails way back in the day when I had to disable all new posts on the forum.
[01:31:28.320 --> 01:31:30.320]  But yes, that's why.
[01:31:30.320 --> 01:31:31.320]  That is why.
[01:31:31.320 --> 01:31:43.320]  We cannot have an unmoderated forum that is in our name that we take responsibility for because that is bait for a setup.
[01:31:43.320 --> 01:31:46.320]  And so I just, we can't risk that kind of thing right now.
[01:31:46.320 --> 01:31:47.320]  I never would risk it any way.
[01:31:47.320 --> 01:31:54.320]  We have to have a moderator that would review every single word of every single post before it's posted,
[01:31:54.320 --> 01:32:00.320]  before I personally would be willing to take responsibility for a forum ever again.
[01:32:00.320 --> 01:32:03.320]  But hey, that's not to stop listeners from doing it.
[01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:10.320]  So if there's any listeners out there that want to take the risk and take responsibility and go there,
[01:32:10.320 --> 01:32:18.320]  then I'll be happy to promote it as like a fan club site or something that we have no connection with whatsoever.
[01:32:18.320 --> 01:32:19.320]  Right.
[01:32:19.320 --> 01:32:27.320]  I was thinking more of like a directory, not a forum, but a directory of people in different areas with email addresses
[01:32:27.320 --> 01:32:32.320]  where they could contact each other and kind of cross, keep away from the show,
[01:32:32.320 --> 01:32:41.320]  but basically the ones that are in the fight in trying to work through the processes.
[01:32:41.320 --> 01:32:45.320]  Not a forum, but just basically some type of a contact.
[01:32:45.320 --> 01:32:46.320]  I don't know.
[01:32:46.320 --> 01:32:50.320]  I've been trying to think about it, trying to figure out some way how that could be done.
[01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:55.320]  Well, I would be willing to take responsibility on the website for something like that,
[01:32:55.320 --> 01:32:57.320]  but I don't have the time to set anything like that up.
[01:32:57.320 --> 01:33:06.320]  I don't have time to go through emails and post the new contacts and things like that.
[01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:10.320]  I mean these are the kinds of things that I need help with.
[01:33:10.320 --> 01:33:14.320]  I need somebody to be an advertising manager who's going to be on the phone all the time,
[01:33:14.320 --> 01:33:17.320]  out there getting sponsors for the network.
[01:33:17.320 --> 01:33:22.320]  I need somebody to be a marketer and a promoter who's going to go out there and promote and market the network
[01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:24.320]  so we can build up our listenership.
[01:33:24.320 --> 01:33:25.320]  I need a webmaster.
[01:33:25.320 --> 01:33:33.320]  I need somebody to set up, like you're saying, a directory list of networking people who listen,
[01:33:33.320 --> 01:33:36.320]  maybe a moderator for the forum so we could open up the forum again,
[01:33:36.320 --> 01:33:40.320]  all these kinds of things because I absolutely have no time to do that.
[01:33:40.320 --> 01:33:42.320]  I mean I can barely even keep up the website as it is.
[01:33:42.320 --> 01:33:47.320]  My job is to maintain the infrastructure.
[01:33:47.320 --> 01:33:51.320]  I'm 100% responsible for the infrastructure of the network because I built it,
[01:33:51.320 --> 01:33:55.320]  and I have to run almost all the shows except for two.
[01:33:55.320 --> 01:33:56.320]  I have to train new hosts.
[01:33:56.320 --> 01:33:58.320]  I have to train new producers.
[01:33:58.320 --> 01:34:01.320]  I have to update the programming log, keep the bumpers and brakes fresh,
[01:34:01.320 --> 01:34:06.320]  and change out PSAs and ads and all these things and add new shows,
[01:34:06.320 --> 01:34:11.320]  and try to keep the bills paid somehow and do research for my own show.
[01:34:11.320 --> 01:34:14.320]  So I mean these are all great ideas, Michael.
[01:34:14.320 --> 01:34:21.320]  Maybe you could be in charge of the rule of law radio directory.
[01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:22.320]  Well, that would be awesome.
[01:34:22.320 --> 01:34:26.320]  I wish I knew how.
[01:34:26.320 --> 01:34:27.320]  I don't have a clue.
[01:34:27.320 --> 01:34:29.320]  I don't know how it even started.
[01:34:29.320 --> 01:34:37.320]  Yeah, I mean basically you would have an email where people would email you their information,
[01:34:37.320 --> 01:34:41.320]  and you'd have to post it on the website so somebody would have to have some web skills
[01:34:41.320 --> 01:34:42.320]  and things like that.
[01:34:42.320 --> 01:34:46.320]  I mean these are things that I wish that we could get done,
[01:34:46.320 --> 01:34:53.320]  but I mean I need a whole staff of people to make these kinds of things happen.
[01:34:53.320 --> 01:34:54.320]  Yeah, you're awesome.
[01:34:54.320 --> 01:34:59.320]  And Randy, he's with the legal documents, and so is Eddie,
[01:34:59.320 --> 01:35:02.320]  and I'm writing some legal documents of my own.
[01:35:02.320 --> 01:35:04.320]  I wish we could do these kinds of things.
[01:35:04.320 --> 01:35:06.320]  These kinds of things take financing.
[01:35:06.320 --> 01:35:12.320]  A wise man once told me if you really want to fight the bad guys, it takes deep pockets.
[01:35:12.320 --> 01:35:13.320]  And it's true.
[01:35:13.320 --> 01:35:16.320]  I mean we can do a lot with what we've got right now.
[01:35:16.320 --> 01:35:20.320]  Believe me, I'm amazed that we're doing what we're doing on literally nothing,
[01:35:20.320 --> 01:35:25.320]  but in order to really step up, we have to have funding.
[01:35:25.320 --> 01:35:26.320]  We've got to get some cash.
[01:35:26.320 --> 01:35:29.320]  We have to get some sponsors, these sort of things.
[01:35:29.320 --> 01:35:34.320]  That's why we're trying to do the seminar to get some income to the network
[01:35:34.320 --> 01:35:35.320]  and all these sorts of things.
[01:35:35.320 --> 01:35:40.320]  And I'm putting together this program to do forensic analysis.
[01:35:40.320 --> 01:35:48.320]  Anybody who's got a mortgage, the cost of doing the forensic analysis is chump change
[01:35:48.320 --> 01:35:56.320]  compared to the kinds of dollars you can show this being stole from you
[01:35:56.320 --> 01:36:01.320]  and then go get it back from the finance company.
[01:36:01.320 --> 01:36:02.320]  That would be great.
[01:36:02.320 --> 01:36:05.320]  As I get that going, that will help to support the network
[01:36:05.320 --> 01:36:10.320]  and maybe we can start putting other people in place by giving people really good value.
[01:36:10.320 --> 01:36:14.320]  Yeah, and speaking of keeping everything up, you know, I just apologize to the listeners.
[01:36:14.320 --> 01:36:16.320]  I'm a few days behind in the archives.
[01:36:16.320 --> 01:36:18.320]  You know, things happen sometimes.
[01:36:18.320 --> 01:36:21.320]  I'm just having a little situation with one of the computers,
[01:36:21.320 --> 01:36:25.320]  but hopefully I'll be getting the rest of the archives up this week.
[01:36:25.320 --> 01:36:30.320]  Yeah, that's a problem on this end too is having a laptop computer that crashes a lot.
[01:36:30.320 --> 01:36:34.320]  It would be difficult to do what I'd like to do as far as with a directory.
[01:36:34.320 --> 01:36:36.320]  I would be more than glad to do that.
[01:36:36.320 --> 01:36:42.320]  Get Windows off the laptop and get Linux on it.
[01:36:42.320 --> 01:36:45.320]  Everything will crash if you don't know how to configure it properly.
[01:36:45.320 --> 01:36:47.320]  I don't know how to configure anything.
[01:36:47.320 --> 01:36:51.320]  Yeah, I know somebody who has a Mac who swears up and down by a Mac,
[01:36:51.320 --> 01:36:58.320]  and every time I see him, he's reinstalling his operating system.
[01:36:58.320 --> 01:37:01.320]  His Macintosh operating system and fighting with the drivers.
[01:37:01.320 --> 01:37:07.320]  It's like, dude, you have more problems with that Mac than I've ever had with any Windows system.
[01:37:07.320 --> 01:37:10.320]  I mean, it's almost all the same now, really.
[01:37:10.320 --> 01:37:11.320]  His name isn't Don, is it?
[01:37:11.320 --> 01:37:16.320]  No.
[01:37:16.320 --> 01:37:18.320]  Damn the torpedoes.
[01:37:18.320 --> 01:37:22.320]  His name is Chump.
[01:37:22.320 --> 01:37:23.320]  But thank you so much.
[01:37:23.320 --> 01:37:28.320]  I mean, it is a good idea, and definitely we want to get these things implemented.
[01:37:28.320 --> 01:37:32.320]  In time, when we start winning our cases and so forth, we'll have to put it all together,
[01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:33.320]  and things will work out.
[01:37:33.320 --> 01:37:35.320]  We've just got to keep hanging in there.
[01:37:35.320 --> 01:37:37.320]  But damn, the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
[01:37:37.320 --> 01:37:39.320]  I've been getting wins.
[01:37:39.320 --> 01:37:45.320]  I have a set of motions I keep getting people to file
[01:37:45.320 --> 01:37:49.320]  and never have got the motions before the court yet.
[01:37:49.320 --> 01:37:50.320]  They always dismiss.
[01:37:50.320 --> 01:37:56.320]  Once they get the motions, they always dismiss before it gets to court.
[01:37:56.320 --> 01:37:57.320]  Okay, then you can help me then.
[01:37:57.320 --> 01:37:59.320]  So we're getting some wins.
[01:37:59.320 --> 01:38:02.320]  All you have to do is put enough pressure on.
[01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:05.320]  Do you have any other questions, Michael?
[01:38:05.320 --> 01:38:06.320]  Oh, yeah.
[01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:10.320]  I had that family court mess with the fire alarm deal.
[01:38:10.320 --> 01:38:14.320]  Do you remember me telling you about that where I had a court date on the 15th of September,
[01:38:14.320 --> 01:38:17.320]  and they had a fire drill while I was outside?
[01:38:17.320 --> 01:38:18.320]  They called my case.
[01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:19.320]  Oh, yes.
[01:38:19.320 --> 01:38:30.320]  Oh, now, if that's not a cowardly move, I don't know what is, to pull a fire drill before your court case.
[01:38:30.320 --> 01:38:33.320]  Well, force you to leave and have court while you're out.
[01:38:33.320 --> 01:38:34.320]  Yes.
[01:38:34.320 --> 01:38:35.320]  Oh, man.
[01:38:35.320 --> 01:38:41.320]  Okay, while I was outside or before the court date, I mean, before the court time,
[01:38:41.320 --> 01:38:46.320]  I filed papers demanding proof of subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:49.320]  And I think that pretty much scared them.
[01:38:49.320 --> 01:38:56.320]  They didn't want to address the fact because they don't have jurisdiction with what was going on.
[01:38:56.320 --> 01:39:01.320]  But in any event, when I left there, when I left the court, I went over to the county,
[01:39:01.320 --> 01:39:08.320]  and I put in an open records request with the clerk, and he had to give it to the county attorney.
[01:39:08.320 --> 01:39:14.320]  And I demanded to see proof of, I wanted to see certified copies of the oath of office,
[01:39:14.320 --> 01:39:20.320]  and I wanted the information on their bonds and their risk management company.
[01:39:20.320 --> 01:39:27.320]  Okay, so then I came home, and the next day I was on the phone, and I talked to the fire marshal.
[01:39:27.320 --> 01:39:29.320]  And I asked him about the fire drill.
[01:39:29.320 --> 01:39:34.320]  And it was news to him, and he says, nobody made me aware that there was going to be a fire drill.
[01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:37.320]  And he says, I was over there when they do have a fire drill.
[01:39:37.320 --> 01:39:41.320]  He says, I don't know why I wasn't called to go over there.
[01:39:41.320 --> 01:39:43.320]  And he says, I will investigate it.
[01:39:43.320 --> 01:39:44.320]  I don't know what happened to me.
[01:39:44.320 --> 01:39:46.320]  And he says, man, he says, I am so sorry.
[01:39:46.320 --> 01:39:47.320]  He says, I'm a dad, too.
[01:39:47.320 --> 01:39:49.320]  And he says, I'm going to work with you.
[01:39:49.320 --> 01:39:50.320]  He says, that's crap.
[01:39:50.320 --> 01:39:53.320]  And he says, I'm going to do everything I can for you.
[01:39:53.320 --> 01:39:55.320]  So he was going to do a full investigation.
[01:39:55.320 --> 01:39:58.320]  And he says, between you and me, he says, I'm going to tell you this.
[01:39:58.320 --> 01:40:06.320]  And he says, when there's a fire drill, everybody in that building must vacate.
[01:40:06.320 --> 01:40:08.320]  And he said, if they tell the fire drill to people.
[01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:10.320]  This is what I keep telling Bob.
[01:40:10.320 --> 01:40:19.320]  You can sit down and try to figure out what are the dumbest things these people can do.
[01:40:19.320 --> 01:40:23.320]  And they will outsmart you every time.
[01:40:23.320 --> 01:40:28.320]  This has to be one of the all-time best.
[01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:33.320]  A court actually pulling a fake fire drill to get you out of the building
[01:40:33.320 --> 01:40:35.320]  so you're not in the courtroom.
[01:40:35.320 --> 01:40:39.320]  What's a grand jury going to think of that?
[01:40:39.320 --> 01:40:41.320]  I don't know.
[01:40:41.320 --> 01:40:44.320]  But I got a hold of the risk management department.
[01:40:44.320 --> 01:40:45.320]  And I talked to the girl,
[01:40:45.320 --> 01:40:52.320]  and I asked her if I had special forms to fill out to file a complaint against risk management for damages.
[01:40:52.320 --> 01:40:55.320]  And she said, no, I don't think so.
[01:40:55.320 --> 01:40:57.320]  You might want to talk to the administrator.
[01:40:57.320 --> 01:40:58.320]  And I said, okay.
[01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:00.320]  So she put me in through the administrator.
[01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:02.320]  He was in a special meeting all of a sudden.
[01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:06.320]  They called a special meeting after I talked to the fire marshal.
[01:41:06.320 --> 01:41:09.320]  And he was busy.
[01:41:09.320 --> 01:41:14.320]  He called me up about 430 in the afternoon, and he was quivering in his voice.
[01:41:14.320 --> 01:41:15.320]  And I explained to him what had happened.
[01:41:15.320 --> 01:41:20.320]  And he says, well, if you just contact your attorney, he'll take care of it all for you.
[01:41:20.320 --> 01:41:23.320]  And I said, well, I don't have any faith or trust in attorneys.
[01:41:23.320 --> 01:41:28.320]  And I don't really care to go that route anymore because every time I ever worked with an attorney,
[01:41:28.320 --> 01:41:31.320]  I always got the short end of the stick.
[01:41:31.320 --> 01:41:33.320]  And I said, I prefer to do this on my own.
[01:41:33.320 --> 01:41:37.320]  So I think what I'm going to do is just to have a notarized affidavit,
[01:41:37.320 --> 01:41:41.320]  and I'll just file that with the risk management company,
[01:41:41.320 --> 01:41:45.320]  along with all my criminal complaints that I'm going to file.
[01:41:45.320 --> 01:41:48.320]  And he got really quiet.
[01:41:48.320 --> 01:41:52.320]  And he was shaking in his voice, and he didn't know what to say.
[01:41:52.320 --> 01:41:54.320]  And he goes, well, okay.
[01:41:54.320 --> 01:41:56.320]  He said, if that, that, that, that, that.
[01:41:56.320 --> 01:41:57.320]  He starts stuttering, too.
[01:41:57.320 --> 01:41:59.320]  If that, that, that, that, that's what you're going to do then.
[01:41:59.320 --> 01:42:01.320]  He says, okay.
[01:42:01.320 --> 01:42:04.320]  And then I hung up with the guy.
[01:42:04.320 --> 01:42:06.320]  Well, it has been 25 days now,
[01:42:06.320 --> 01:42:17.320]  and I still have not received any acknowledgment from the county attorney on the oath of office or the bond.
[01:42:17.320 --> 01:42:22.320]  What I suggest is, okay, what state?
[01:42:22.320 --> 01:42:25.320]  This is in New York State, Cattaraugus County.
[01:42:25.320 --> 01:42:34.320]  Okay, as I'm aware, the last time I was in New York State, I was doing some research on the grand jury there.
[01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:45.320]  And about five or six years ago, they put through a whole revamp of the grand jury system to re-energize it.
[01:42:45.320 --> 01:42:49.320]  So you have a pretty good grand jury system in New York.
[01:42:49.320 --> 01:42:51.320]  Okay.
[01:42:51.320 --> 01:42:59.320]  What I suggest you do is start looking at their requirements.
[01:42:59.320 --> 01:43:13.320]  Do you have, call an attorney's office and ask them, what books do you use as litigation guides here in New York?
[01:43:13.320 --> 01:43:24.320]  And tell them you're doing a white paper on litigation materials for the legislature,
[01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:31.320]  that you're doing a white paper on how to get the law out to the public and just some BS.
[01:43:31.320 --> 01:43:40.320]  And ask them, what litigation guides do you normally use in New York for various different issues?
[01:43:40.320 --> 01:43:43.320]  And they won't have any problem telling you that.
[01:43:43.320 --> 01:43:49.320]  And then call another law firm and ask them if they have any old litigation guides by this name.
[01:43:49.320 --> 01:43:51.320]  Okay, listen, Michael, hang on the line, okay?
[01:43:51.320 --> 01:43:52.320]  Hang on.
[01:43:52.320 --> 01:43:53.320]  I will.
[01:43:53.320 --> 01:43:54.320]  All right.
[01:43:54.320 --> 01:43:55.320]  And we also have Mark from Wisconsin.
[01:43:55.320 --> 01:43:58.320]  He's one of our affiliates, broadcasting this on the FM's up in Madison.
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[01:45:34.320 --> 01:45:39.320]  We're speaking with Michael Anthony in New York and then we're going to go to Mark from Wisconsin, one of our affiliates.
[01:45:39.320 --> 01:45:42.320]  Okay, Michael, please continue.
[01:45:42.320 --> 01:45:43.320]  I love them too.
[01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:45.320]  Oh, thanks.
[01:45:45.320 --> 01:45:50.320]  Anyways, okay, so I love that grand jury thing.
[01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:51.320]  That's my next thing.
[01:45:51.320 --> 01:45:56.320]  What I'm going to do is put together a grand jury complaint or accusations.
[01:45:56.320 --> 01:46:02.320]  Like I was going to do a complaint and earlier you guys were talking and accusations I believe is the way to go.
[01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:17.320]  But in the meantime what I had done was I filed certified mail, I sent 11 page criminal complaint with exhibits of my court case that did not have a seal.
[01:46:17.320 --> 01:46:26.320]  It did not have a judge's signature and I sent a copy of that plus the papers that I furnished into the court with the timestamp on it.
[01:46:26.320 --> 01:46:32.320]  And I sent it to the Eighth Judicial District filed complaints against the judges and the attorneys.
[01:46:32.320 --> 01:46:39.320]  Well, by mistake I was trying to locate the number of the bar and I ended up getting a hold of the Eighth Judicial District again.
[01:46:39.320 --> 01:46:47.320]  And the secretary said, no, she said, you're not to file against judges here, this is only for attorneys.
[01:46:47.320 --> 01:46:49.320]  I said, well, the judge is our attorney.
[01:46:49.320 --> 01:46:55.320]  She goes, well, if you have a specific claim against the judge, you have to file it with a different place.
[01:46:55.320 --> 01:47:03.320]  And so I asked her where that place was and she said it was the Commission on Judicial Conduct and that's in Rochester, New York.
[01:47:03.320 --> 01:47:05.320]  So I said, okay.
[01:47:05.320 --> 01:47:10.320]  So I sat down at the computer again and I got a 12-page complaint on just the judges.
[01:47:10.320 --> 01:47:15.320]  There were actually three judges involved in my entire case from the beginning.
[01:47:15.320 --> 01:47:25.320]  So I listed all the different things from the very beginning on how the CPS came in and the judges condoned what they had done in conspiracy with them.
[01:47:25.320 --> 01:47:36.320]  And I listed the New York State Penal Law and the New York State Constitution and Title 18 and Title 28, you know, all the different things that they violated.
[01:47:36.320 --> 01:47:39.320]  So I sent that in as well.
[01:47:39.320 --> 01:47:45.320]  Now I've got them things going and my next thing is to do the grand jury thing.
[01:47:45.320 --> 01:47:47.320]  And is that what I would do next?
[01:47:47.320 --> 01:47:55.320]  Do you think that would be the grand jury or would I just file a charge against their at-risk management?
[01:47:55.320 --> 01:47:56.320]  Okay, Michael.
[01:47:56.320 --> 01:48:00.320]  I don't know how to go about doing the risk management one or the jury, grand jury.
[01:48:00.320 --> 01:48:04.320]  Michael, do you play chess?
[01:48:04.320 --> 01:48:07.320]  No, sir.
[01:48:07.320 --> 01:48:10.320]  This is chess.
[01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:19.320]  In chess, I think chess is sort of like flying an airplane as opposed to driving a car.
[01:48:19.320 --> 01:48:21.320]  In a car, if you turn the wheel, the car turns.
[01:48:21.320 --> 01:48:22.320]  Boom.
[01:48:22.320 --> 01:48:29.320]  In an airplane, if you turn the yoke, the airplane doesn't move.
[01:48:29.320 --> 01:48:35.320]  You put pressure on the yoke and that puts pressure on the aterons.
[01:48:35.320 --> 01:48:42.320]  And the air moving across the aterons builds, the pressure builds up, pressure builds up, pressure builds up, the airplane starts to move.
[01:48:42.320 --> 01:48:46.320]  The bigger the airplane, the longer the delay.
[01:48:46.320 --> 01:48:48.320]  And chess is kind of that way.
[01:48:48.320 --> 01:48:50.320]  You put pressure.
[01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:57.320]  You move a pawn out here, an apparently small, insignificant pawn.
[01:48:57.320 --> 01:49:04.320]  But as the game progresses, that pawn becomes a bigger and bigger annoyance.
[01:49:04.320 --> 01:49:10.320]  So you think in terms of where can I apply pressure?
[01:49:10.320 --> 01:49:15.320]  I look at all of the issues I have in front of me and all of the things that are happening.
[01:49:15.320 --> 01:49:16.320]  Okay.
[01:49:16.320 --> 01:49:26.320]  If I go after this court, after this judge, and I go after them, say, with the State Judicial Commission on Judicial Conduct,
[01:49:26.320 --> 01:49:34.320]  how can I use the fact that the Commission on Judicial Conduct is going to try to protect this judge?
[01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:43.320]  Because contrary to what you may think or hear, these commissions are put in place to pacify the public.
[01:49:43.320 --> 01:49:58.320]  Every once in a while, they will crucify a judge who is absolutely outrageous, gets pulled over, so drunk he can't stand up,
[01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:03.320]  in a French mage uniform, male judge.
[01:50:03.320 --> 01:50:10.320]  In that case, they'll say, okay, we'll use this guy to show the public that we discipline judges.
[01:50:10.320 --> 01:50:13.320]  Otherwise, they can do anything they want to.
[01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:23.320]  So, okay, how do we apply pressure to them and use each step that we take to build up this pressure?
[01:50:23.320 --> 01:50:29.320]  I generally want to build up pressure for the grand jury.
[01:50:29.320 --> 01:50:37.320]  When I get to the grand jury, I want to be able to say to them, I'm sorry for bothering you with this.
[01:50:37.320 --> 01:50:43.320]  And I wouldn't have bothered you with this except that I went to the state bar.
[01:50:43.320 --> 01:50:54.320]  I went to the police department, the sheriff's department, the state police, the FBI, the U.S. attorneys,
[01:50:54.320 --> 01:51:00.320]  the State Commission on Judicial Conduct, and this is the crap hole that they did.
[01:51:00.320 --> 01:51:08.320]  So when I get to the grand jury and the prosecutor says, well, he should have been here, I'll say, I've been there.
[01:51:08.320 --> 01:51:11.320]  Well, then he should have been here, I've been there.
[01:51:11.320 --> 01:51:13.320]  Well, he should have been over here, I've been there.
[01:51:13.320 --> 01:51:18.320]  And leave them no way to get out, especially in New York.
[01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:21.320]  New York has a good grand jury system now.
[01:51:21.320 --> 01:51:32.320]  And that is in spite of what they will tell you and try to get you to believe that is the most powerful tool you have.
[01:51:32.320 --> 01:51:33.320]  Right.
[01:51:33.320 --> 01:51:40.320]  And one thing that occurred to me when you were saying these things, Michael, about the State Board of Judicial Conduct,
[01:51:40.320 --> 01:51:44.320]  that kind of complaint would be like an administrative complaint.
[01:51:44.320 --> 01:51:48.320]  That would have nothing to do with a criminal complaint.
[01:51:48.320 --> 01:51:51.320]  Yeah, okay, very good point.
[01:51:51.320 --> 01:51:55.320]  Yeah, they're trying to get you to file an administrative complaint.
[01:51:55.320 --> 01:52:01.320]  And, you know, in that situation, I would tell the person, well, the clerk or whoever, I would say,
[01:52:01.320 --> 01:52:04.320]  well, I'm not trying to file an administrative complaint.
[01:52:04.320 --> 01:52:06.320]  These are criminal charges.
[01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:08.320]  You know, it's a whole different thing.
[01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:13.320]  Like I would file a criminal complaint against, you know, somebody who committed assault or robbery.
[01:52:13.320 --> 01:52:17.320]  This is not an administrative complaining here.
[01:52:17.320 --> 01:52:19.320]  This is a criminal complaint.
[01:52:19.320 --> 01:52:24.320]  This is what I generally do when I'm filing against a police officer.
[01:52:24.320 --> 01:52:29.320]  And they say, well, you really need to file that with Internal Affairs.
[01:52:29.320 --> 01:52:31.320]  I say, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:52:31.320 --> 01:52:33.320]  This is not an administrative complaint.
[01:52:33.320 --> 01:52:38.320]  His uniform was clean and pressed and all the buttons are on it.
[01:52:38.320 --> 01:52:40.320]  I don't have an administrative complaint.
[01:52:40.320 --> 01:52:43.320]  Well, then okay, well, it's a problem.
[01:52:43.320 --> 01:52:44.320]  I have a criminal complaint.
[01:52:44.320 --> 01:52:47.320]  I won't even arrest it.
[01:52:47.320 --> 01:52:50.320]  And it's important that we understand the difference.
[01:52:50.320 --> 01:52:56.320]  They will want to shuffle you into administrative procedures.
[01:52:56.320 --> 01:53:04.320]  Administrative procedures are totally different and completely separate from criminal procedures.
[01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:09.320]  I tend to do the administrative, but at the same time do the criminal.
[01:53:09.320 --> 01:53:12.320]  And this drives them crazy.
[01:53:12.320 --> 01:53:19.320]  I file an information request and they don't answer within the specified time.
[01:53:19.320 --> 01:53:25.320]  I file a criminal complaint and then I call them and say, hey, guys, you didn't respond to my complaint.
[01:53:25.320 --> 01:53:28.320]  But I don't say anything about the criminal complaint I filed.
[01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:31.320]  They find that out from somewhere else.
[01:53:31.320 --> 01:53:39.320]  So with yours, especially, I didn't want to say before I lose you, stay in touch.
[01:53:39.320 --> 01:53:40.320]  Keep us up to date.
[01:53:40.320 --> 01:53:43.320]  I haven't heard from you near enough.
[01:53:43.320 --> 01:53:44.320]  Okay.
[01:53:44.320 --> 01:53:45.320]  Well, another thing.
[01:53:45.320 --> 01:53:53.320]  I spend all my time looking for people who are capable of actually going in and kicking their behinds.
[01:53:53.320 --> 01:53:58.320]  And from what I'm hearing from you, you're one of the people I'm looking for.
[01:53:58.320 --> 01:53:59.320]  Okay.
[01:53:59.320 --> 01:54:00.320]  I also took your advice.
[01:54:00.320 --> 01:54:03.320]  I contacted the governor of the state of New York.
[01:54:03.320 --> 01:54:05.320]  I filed a complaint with him.
[01:54:05.320 --> 01:54:08.320]  He responded back to me and thanked me, thanked me.
[01:54:08.320 --> 01:54:10.320]  He thanked me, says that's my job.
[01:54:10.320 --> 01:54:13.320]  He says I will look into this matter.
[01:54:13.320 --> 01:54:19.320]  I contacted the New York State Attorney General and they referred me to the Comptroller.
[01:54:19.320 --> 01:54:26.320]  I filed a criminal complaint, the same criminal complaint with the Comptroller of New York State.
[01:54:26.320 --> 01:54:28.320]  Now it's been 25 days.
[01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:29.320]  Okay.
[01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:29.320]  A question.
[01:54:29.320 --> 01:54:34.320]  And we have four minutes left and our affiliate Mark has been holding for a while too.
[01:54:34.320 --> 01:54:35.320]  Oh, okay.
[01:54:35.320 --> 01:54:36.320]  I'm sorry.
[01:54:36.320 --> 01:54:43.320]  When you talked to the Comptroller, did you tell him that the Attorney General sent you to him?
[01:54:43.320 --> 01:54:44.320]  No.
[01:54:44.320 --> 01:54:45.320]  No, I didn't.
[01:54:45.320 --> 01:54:47.320]  That's always real powerful.
[01:54:47.320 --> 01:54:52.320]  If you can have somebody higher up send you down, drop those names.
[01:54:52.320 --> 01:54:53.320]  Okay.
[01:54:53.320 --> 01:54:55.320]  I hate to cut you off.
[01:54:55.320 --> 01:54:59.320]  You're what we're looking for, but we've only got four minutes and we really need to go to Mark.
[01:54:59.320 --> 01:55:00.320]  Okay.
[01:55:00.320 --> 01:55:01.320]  Keep us up to date.
[01:55:01.320 --> 01:55:03.320]  Well, the judge hasn't responded to me yet in the case.
[01:55:03.320 --> 01:55:05.320]  I don't know what he ruled.
[01:55:05.320 --> 01:55:08.320]  25 days now.
[01:55:08.320 --> 01:55:10.320]  Keep after him.
[01:55:10.320 --> 01:55:16.320]  The one thing, the most important thing you can do is be a constant force against him.
[01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:17.320]  Michael, just hold on the line.
[01:55:17.320 --> 01:55:21.320]  If you want to talk to these guys on after hours, I'll let the after hours go.
[01:55:21.320 --> 01:55:22.320]  Okay, good.
[01:55:22.320 --> 01:55:25.320]  Okay, just hang on because we have to take Mark.
[01:55:25.320 --> 01:55:26.320]  He's one of our affiliates.
[01:55:26.320 --> 01:55:27.320]  I will.
[01:55:27.320 --> 01:55:28.320]  Thank you.
[01:55:28.320 --> 01:55:29.320]  Okay.
[01:55:29.320 --> 01:55:30.320]  All right.
[01:55:30.320 --> 01:55:31.320]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:55:31.320 --> 01:55:32.320]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:55:32.320 --> 01:55:35.320]  Oh, just listening, that's a great call.
[01:55:35.320 --> 01:55:37.320]  That guy was on the ball there.
[01:55:37.320 --> 01:55:41.320]  Yeah, that's why we do this show is for guys like him.
[01:55:41.320 --> 01:55:42.320]  Go ahead, Mark.
[01:55:42.320 --> 01:55:43.320]  Yep.
[01:55:43.320 --> 01:55:50.320]  Hey, can you guys recommend a search engine that's not too expensive like Lexus Nexus?
[01:55:50.320 --> 01:55:53.320]  Lexus Law.
[01:55:53.320 --> 01:55:54.320]  Lexus Law.
[01:55:54.320 --> 01:55:58.320]  I always use Lexus so I lost track of who the others are.
[01:55:58.320 --> 01:56:02.320]  Pace or federal, right?
[01:56:02.320 --> 01:56:04.320]  Is there a state one?
[01:56:04.320 --> 01:56:05.320]  I'm trying to remember this.
[01:56:05.320 --> 01:56:07.320]  Fine law.
[01:56:07.320 --> 01:56:12.320]  Yeah, fine law will do most, but it also does a whole lot of federal law.
[01:56:12.320 --> 01:56:17.320]  Okay, here's a kind of a trick of how to trick these things out.
[01:56:17.320 --> 01:56:24.320]  Most of what you're doing you can do right on the basic search engines.
[01:56:24.320 --> 01:56:32.320]  And then when you find one of these, there are a number of fine law and I think Lawler,
[01:56:32.320 --> 01:56:36.320]  there are several search engines around.
[01:56:36.320 --> 01:56:44.320]  And the problem you have with search engines is they're restricted in what areas of law they search,
[01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:55.320]  but they tend to have an area that will allow you to seek out a specific case if you know what the case is.
[01:56:55.320 --> 01:57:05.320]  So what I do is if I can find the case on point and if I don't have access to Lexus,
[01:57:05.320 --> 01:57:12.320]  then I go on the Internet and I type that case in and see what hits I get.
[01:57:12.320 --> 01:57:22.320]  If I can find a search engine that has a get document program in it, like you can, there's a free Lexus law.
[01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:29.320]  You can go onto Lexus and they have a site that's free just so you can kind of see what they can do, what they do.
[01:57:29.320 --> 01:57:32.320]  They don't have every state.
[01:57:32.320 --> 01:57:38.320]  So if you're in Texas, they'll let you look at Texas, but they won't let you look at North Carolina.
[01:57:38.320 --> 01:57:45.320]  So if you're in North Carolina and all you can look at is Texas, what you do is you put in the name of the,
[01:57:45.320 --> 01:57:51.320]  so you know if you have a Texas case that's on point, you put in the Texas case,
[01:57:51.320 --> 01:57:56.320]  put in the case name and then put in North Carolina next to it.
[01:57:56.320 --> 01:58:03.320]  And it will give you North Carolina cases that reference this case that's on point.
[01:58:03.320 --> 01:58:09.320]  Once you get the North Carolina case, you can put the North Carolina case in directly and it will pull that case up for you.
[01:58:09.320 --> 01:58:13.320]  That's the way I get around not having every state.
[01:58:13.320 --> 01:58:14.320]  Okay, listen, we're at the top of the hour.
[01:58:14.320 --> 01:58:17.320]  If you want to hold on, we're going to go into overtime.
[01:58:17.320 --> 01:58:20.320]  Okay, yeah, we've got Michael, Mark and Will.
[01:58:20.320 --> 01:58:22.320]  We'll finish up with you guys.
[01:58:22.320 --> 01:58:28.320]  We're having to limit our overtime because we have to prepare for seminar.
[01:58:28.320 --> 01:58:30.320]  We've got a lot of work to do.
[01:58:30.320 --> 01:58:33.320]  We have to catch up on archives, all kinds of things.
[01:58:33.320 --> 01:58:36.320]  All right, we'll finish up with you guys on the other side.
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