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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.540]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:05.540 --> 00:10.660]  The Obama Administration this week sent to Congress sweeping revisions to a media shield
[00:10.660 --> 00:16.740]  bill that includes safeguards that would require prosecutors to exhaust other methods for finding
[00:16.740 --> 00:22.820]  the source of the information before subpoenaing a reporter.
[00:22.820 --> 00:26.820]  Senator John McCain says giving up the fight in Afghanistan would put the U.S. and its
[00:26.820 --> 00:31.880]  allies in danger by allowing the war-torn country to turn back into a base for attacks
[00:31.880 --> 00:39.140]  on the U.S. McCain urged Barack Obama Wednesday to approve a call by General Stanley McChrystal
[00:39.140 --> 00:41.940]  for 40,000 more troops.
[00:41.940 --> 00:47.400]  In 16 states, prescription drugs now kill more people than auto accidents.
[00:47.400 --> 00:52.860]  Experts said the startling shift is because driving is becoming safer and the legal and
[00:52.860 --> 01:02.940]  illegal use of powerful prescription painkillers is rising.
[01:02.940 --> 01:08.300]  McClatchy reports the men of Bravo Company fighting in Afghanistan say the land along
[01:08.300 --> 01:14.500]  the Agandab River, where 10 battalion members have been killed since August, is like Vietnam
[01:14.500 --> 01:16.440]  without the napalm.
[01:16.440 --> 01:22.820]  The 18-mile valley patrolled by the 1st Battalion's 17th Infantry Regiment includes Taliban insurgents
[01:22.820 --> 01:26.060]  booby traps and buried explosives.
[01:26.060 --> 01:32.980]  Bravo Company arrived with 24 strikers, 8-wheel combat vehicles outfitted with high-tech communications
[01:32.980 --> 01:34.740]  and surveillance gear.
[01:34.740 --> 01:39.500]  Some battalion soldiers perished when the strikers hit roadside bombs and others were
[01:39.500 --> 01:43.500]  killed by bombs that exploded while they patrolled on foot.
[01:43.500 --> 01:48.980]  Bravo Company is responsible for an area that's considered a key staging point for Taliban
[01:48.980 --> 01:55.380]  as they organize forays into Kandahar, a major city where insurgents rule by night and set
[01:55.380 --> 01:57.540]  off bombs by day.
[01:57.540 --> 02:02.460]  One elder said, if we send our children to school during the day, then the Taliban will
[02:02.460 --> 02:07.540]  come and kill the parents at night.
[02:07.540 --> 02:13.380]  The UN's Chief Weapons Inspector Mohammed al-Muradi said Wednesday he had seen no credible
[02:13.380 --> 02:16.780]  evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
[02:16.780 --> 02:21.460]  He rejected British intelligence allegations that a weapons program has been going on for
[02:21.460 --> 02:23.180]  at least four years.
[02:23.180 --> 02:28.820]  The claims and counterclaims came on the eve of a decisive meeting in Geneva between diplomats
[02:28.820 --> 02:35.780]  from six world powers and an Iranian delegation about Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
[02:35.780 --> 02:41.100]  Iran insists its program is for peaceful purposes and that there is nothing illegal about the
[02:41.100 --> 02:46.820]  uranium enrichment plant under construction near the city of Qom that was revealed last
[02:46.820 --> 02:47.820]  week.
[02:47.820 --> 02:52.300]  Iranian leaders say they did not have to inform the International Atomic Energy Agency until
[02:52.300 --> 02:55.540]  six months before the first uranium was processed.
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[03:38.820 --> 03:49.940]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you going to do, what you going to do when they come for you?
[03:49.940 --> 03:58.100]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you going to do, what you going to do when they come for you?
[03:58.100 --> 04:05.060]  When you were eight and you had bad traits, you'll go to school and learn the golden
[04:05.060 --> 04:08.060]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[04:08.060 --> 04:10.560]  Oh, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:10.560 --> 04:13.560]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[04:13.560 --> 04:16.060]  Oh, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:17.060 --> 04:19.060]  Alright, bad boys, bad boys.
[04:20.060 --> 04:25.060]  What are you gonna do when we come for you?
[04:26.060 --> 04:30.060]  Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens here with you tonight.
[04:30.060 --> 04:34.560]  October 1st, first of the month.
[04:35.560 --> 04:37.560]  Turning over a new leaf.
[04:38.560 --> 04:40.560]  And I wanted to make a special announcement.
[04:40.560 --> 04:45.560]  Next Monday night, we're going to have attorney Gary Creep on.
[04:45.560 --> 04:49.560]  He was on Gary Johnson's show this past Sunday night.
[04:49.560 --> 04:57.560]  And folks, I gotta tell ya, the streams haven't caught up on Gary Johnson's show like they have as far as the numbers on our show.
[04:57.560 --> 05:08.560]  But people, y'all have got to check out Gary Johnson's show, Live and Let Live, every Sunday night here on Rule of Law Radio Network from 8 to 10 p.m. Central Time.
[05:08.560 --> 05:14.560]  This guy is hitting it out of the ballpark pretty much every week with the guests that he books.
[05:14.560 --> 05:23.560]  Gary Johnson has been a broadcaster for over 20 years here in Austin on the Cable Access TV channel.
[05:23.560 --> 05:27.560]  And now he's taking his show to radio here on Rule of Law Radio Network.
[05:27.560 --> 05:29.560]  And boy, he's got the best guests.
[05:29.560 --> 05:30.560]  I'll tell you what.
[05:30.560 --> 05:34.560]  He had Barry Goldwater, Jr. on a few weeks ago.
[05:34.560 --> 05:37.560]  And just this past week, he had on Gary Creep.
[05:37.560 --> 05:40.560]  And now Gary is going to be a guest on our show.
[05:40.560 --> 05:42.560]  That's K-R-E-E-P.
[05:42.560 --> 05:45.560]  And this guy is anything but a creep, I'll tell you what.
[05:45.560 --> 05:59.560]  He is with the United States Justice Foundation, and he has taken on a case regarding the legitimacy, the eligibility of Obama to be president.
[05:59.560 --> 06:05.560]  This has to do with where he was born, what's the deal, where's his birth certificate.
[06:05.560 --> 06:08.560]  You know, there's many issues at stake here.
[06:08.560 --> 06:12.560]  A natural-born citizen actually doesn't mean that you were born here on this land.
[06:12.560 --> 06:16.560]  It means that both of your parents are American citizens.
[06:16.560 --> 06:17.560]  That's what it means.
[06:17.560 --> 06:21.560]  And he is also going after the birth certificate issue.
[06:21.560 --> 06:32.560]  And so at any rate, he's doing this pro bono totally for free because he believes in the cause, because it means so much to the future of our nation.
[06:32.560 --> 06:39.560]  Practically, we're in a constitutional crisis here if Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements to be president.
[06:39.560 --> 06:42.560]  So it means a lot to him.
[06:42.560 --> 06:44.560]  And so he's taken this case on pro bono.
[06:44.560 --> 06:48.560]  This guy is just, he's got so much integrity and fortitude.
[06:48.560 --> 07:01.560]  And he has, there's a very important hearing this coming Monday where basically the other side has filed a motion to dismiss, and there's going to be a hearing on that motion.
[07:01.560 --> 07:10.560]  And most likely it's not going to go through because the judge apparently is being quite fair in this case, surprisingly.
[07:10.560 --> 07:13.560]  They've actually, it would appear that they have a very fair judge.
[07:13.560 --> 07:19.560]  You can hear all the details about what's happened so far by going back and listening to the archives.
[07:19.560 --> 07:23.560]  That would be hour two from Gary Johnson's Live and Let Live.
[07:23.560 --> 07:34.560]  One, you can hear all about the atrocities and the dirt on the acorn organization, which has been in the news as of late.
[07:34.560 --> 07:37.560]  But at any rate, Gary Creep was guest on hour two.
[07:37.560 --> 07:42.560]  So you can listen to that, go back and listen to that archive and hear all the juicy details.
[07:42.560 --> 07:48.560]  And he is going to be a guest on our show this coming Monday, October 5th at 8 p.m.
[07:48.560 --> 07:58.560]  We're going to, he's going to give us the first crack out of the hat, the first media appearance where he's going to discuss the hearing that is going to take place next Monday.
[07:58.560 --> 08:01.560]  So I'm on the edge of my seat for that one.
[08:01.560 --> 08:03.560]  I can't wait to hear how this turns out.
[08:03.560 --> 08:06.560]  But at any rate, that should be a very good show.
[08:06.560 --> 08:14.560]  So everybody tune in this coming Monday for our interview with Mr. Gary Creep from United States Justice Foundation.
[08:14.560 --> 08:18.560]  And the only other announcement I have to make regarding the seminar.
[08:18.560 --> 08:19.560]  Okay.
[08:19.560 --> 08:22.560]  Everybody pounded down my door wanting the webinar.
[08:22.560 --> 08:25.560]  And I've only gotten one email.
[08:25.560 --> 08:27.560]  So what's the deal, people?
[08:27.560 --> 08:29.560]  Do you want the webinar or not?
[08:29.560 --> 08:42.560]  Because if I'm only going to have like a couple people that are interested, we're not going to be able to do it because it's not going to be worth it because I have to pay people to set it up and host it and go through the whole thing.
[08:42.560 --> 08:47.560]  We've reduced the price to $250.
[08:47.560 --> 08:51.560]  And basically that's the same just about what we're charging.
[08:51.560 --> 08:56.560]  We're charging $200 without jurisdiction for people who are actually coming to the seminar in person.
[08:56.560 --> 08:59.560]  I just don't see how we can do it much cheaper, people.
[08:59.560 --> 09:05.560]  I mean, we've put our heart and soul, blood, sweat, and tears into this, gone into debt.
[09:05.560 --> 09:08.560]  Randy and Eddie have spent years and years researching.
[09:08.560 --> 09:11.560]  So give us a little love here.
[09:11.560 --> 09:15.560]  We need some help, you know, for the network and for ourselves.
[09:15.560 --> 09:17.560]  Okay, we're doing all of this for you.
[09:17.560 --> 09:20.560]  And we're doing this seminar out of popular demand.
[09:20.560 --> 09:28.560]  And people wanted the webinar, but we can't just give it away for free, all right, because it costs us money to do this a lot.
[09:28.560 --> 09:30.560]  So anyway, I need to get some emails.
[09:30.560 --> 09:31.560]  I need to get some response.
[09:31.560 --> 09:35.560]  And I need to find out pretty soon if people are going to be interested in this webinar.
[09:35.560 --> 09:37.560]  And it's a really good deal because think about it.
[09:37.560 --> 09:43.560]  You can get together a group of people, you know, crowd around the computer monitor, put it on the big screen TV.
[09:43.560 --> 09:48.560]  You can have 10 people in the room, split the cost, $25 apiece, you know, come on.
[09:48.560 --> 09:56.560]  So let's everybody get together and gather around and sign up for the webinar because if I don't have more than like,
[09:56.560 --> 10:02.560]  if I don't have 10 people that are actually serious about the webinar within two weeks,
[10:02.560 --> 10:06.560]  I'm going to have to cancel the webinar aspect of this.
[10:06.560 --> 10:08.560]  So I'm just letting you all know where it's at.
[10:08.560 --> 10:11.560]  So at any rate, that's what's going on with the seminar.
[10:11.560 --> 10:14.560]  But the seminar is definitely on.
[10:14.560 --> 10:18.560]  We have enough people registered to do the seminar in person.
[10:18.560 --> 10:25.560]  Right now we just really need to have some people register for the Web aspect of it if it's going to go through,
[10:25.560 --> 10:28.560]  like I said, because I have to pay people to do this.
[10:28.560 --> 10:35.560]  Okay, so with that being said, Randy, you wanted to discuss tonight
[10:35.560 --> 10:41.560]  basically how you're going to be walloping your court appointed attorney upside the head or something like that?
[10:41.560 --> 10:45.560]  Well, not exactly.
[10:45.560 --> 10:55.560]  We had sat down and had a long discussion over the issues that I've been bringing, the issues concerning due process.
[10:55.560 --> 10:58.560]  And he was very frank with me.
[10:58.560 --> 11:09.560]  He said he didn't feel as though he could adequately adjudicate these issues before the court
[11:09.560 --> 11:14.560]  because he just wasn't familiar enough with them.
[11:14.560 --> 11:19.560]  And I'm thinking this guy is about to step in the middle of it.
[11:19.560 --> 11:28.560]  And then he said, so I'm going to ask the court to allow you to do it.
[11:28.560 --> 11:31.560]  I was impressed.
[11:31.560 --> 11:34.560]  I think this guy is actually taking me serious.
[11:34.560 --> 11:40.560]  How nice of him to allow you to ask the court to do anything concerning your own case.
[11:40.560 --> 11:41.560]  Wow.
[11:41.560 --> 11:42.560]  Well.
[11:42.560 --> 11:43.560]  Big privilege.
[11:43.560 --> 11:50.560]  He knew what I would do anyway, but you know, he's not acting ignorant.
[11:50.560 --> 11:55.560]  He's not picking a fight with me.
[11:55.560 --> 12:03.560]  If I had got an older attorney, the older attorney would have probably picked a fight and he would have lost.
[12:03.560 --> 12:10.560]  But he had picked it anyway, just because they've been around a long time and they think they can pretty well do what they want to.
[12:10.560 --> 12:14.560]  So in any case, they'll let me adjudicate it.
[12:14.560 --> 12:18.560]  At least my attorney will move in that direction in the judge.
[12:18.560 --> 12:20.560]  I have me right in the middle of her.
[12:20.560 --> 12:24.560]  And he was saying that he didn't know how he could convince the judge.
[12:24.560 --> 12:29.560]  This is a viable issue that it went to the merits of the case.
[12:29.560 --> 12:36.560]  And I'm going to I told him I will absolutely assert that it does not go to the merits of this case.
[12:36.560 --> 12:39.560]  He said, well, then you can't bring it in court.
[12:39.560 --> 12:41.560]  Of course I can.
[12:41.560 --> 12:49.560]  I'll not only bring it in court, I'll make it very clear to this judge before you do anything in this courtroom.
[12:49.560 --> 12:55.560]  You better prove up to me subject matter jurisdiction.
[12:55.560 --> 13:04.560]  And he kept saying that all of this was better adjudicated in a civil case, that I had a really good civil case.
[13:04.560 --> 13:13.560]  I said, yes, I do have a good civil case, but it's not as good as it's going to be because everything I'm doing here,
[13:13.560 --> 13:18.560]  I'm doing to perfect causes of action for the civil case.
[13:18.560 --> 13:22.560]  They're just giving me more tort action.
[13:22.560 --> 13:31.560]  And if this judge does approve up subject matter jurisdiction, then I'll be suing this judge personally.
[13:31.560 --> 13:36.560]  You could almost hear him shutter on the other end of the phone.
[13:36.560 --> 13:45.560]  The thought of his client suing the judge was not one he liked to consider.
[13:45.560 --> 13:54.560]  But in any case, he's going to he will at least make the effort to allow me to hear it because he don't want me to find bar grievances against him.
[13:54.560 --> 13:56.560]  And he knows I'm prepared to do that.
[13:56.560 --> 14:01.560]  So I'm going to talk about how I get there.
[14:01.560 --> 14:04.560]  And the case I want to talk about is Roth.
[14:04.560 --> 14:08.560]  But initially is Roth, Gary V. Gillespie.
[14:08.560 --> 14:11.560]  I have two copies of it here.
[14:11.560 --> 14:16.560]  One of them is Roth, Gary V. Gillespie.
[14:16.560 --> 14:40.560]  This is the Fifth Circuit, where the Fifth Circuit says that in McGee v. Estelle, we held that a warrantless arrestee's Six and Fourteenth Amendment right to counsel does not attach in Texas when he appears before His Majesty for statutory warnings if prosecutors are unaware of and uninvolved in the arrest and appearance.
[14:40.560 --> 14:59.560]  The District Court in this case reached a similar conclusion where the warrantless arrestee's appearance involved not only statutory warnings, but also a probable cause determination by the magistrate that was supported by police officers affidavit accusing the arrestee of committing the relevant offense.
[14:59.560 --> 15:05.560]  And they go on and on to say how that's the decisions that come true.
[15:05.560 --> 15:15.560]  But in Roth, Gary V. Gillespie County Supreme Court of the United States, they took a whole other position.
[15:15.560 --> 15:42.560]  They told the Fifth Circuit, we told you before, in 70, I think 76 and 85, in cases that when a person is brought before a magistrate and his liberty interest is determined, the right to counsel absolutely attaches.
[15:42.560 --> 15:53.560]  And they go on to chastise the court for ignoring the Supreme Court's consistent rulings on this matter.
[15:53.560 --> 16:13.560]  So how I get here is, is first thing is an abatement. I have the abatement in before the court. Now I didn't title it abatement because in Texas that's no longer a term of art used by the court.
[16:13.560 --> 16:17.560]  I titled it a challenge to the jurisdiction.
[16:17.560 --> 16:26.560]  Judge, who are you? How did you get subject matter jurisdiction to stand before me and order me around?
[16:26.560 --> 16:38.560]  And the way I get to that, I will walk her from arrest to standing in front of her and how she's supposed to get there.
[16:38.560 --> 16:51.560]  Okay. All right, walk through that after the break. All right. And callers, if you'd like to call in and ask us questions tonight, the number is 512-646-1984.
[16:51.560 --> 17:00.560]  We'll be right back.
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[18:12.560 --> 18:31.560]  OK, we're back. Gene from Wisconsin, we see you up there on the board. We're going to get to you as soon as Randy finishes this topic.
[18:31.560 --> 18:36.560]  OK, Randy, you're walking through how the court gets subject matter jurisdiction.
[18:36.560 --> 18:46.560]  OK, this is a case where a guy was arrested, turned out on false information, brought before a magistrate.
[18:46.560 --> 18:56.560]  Magistrate did his little song and dance and they threw him in jail. They subsequently find out that they had false information and the charges would exist.
[18:56.560 --> 19:16.560]  But he's not happy with it. And he challenged the fact that he was not given counsel at the initial hearing. And that was the question I just read to you from the Fifth Circuit, which some say is the most corrupt circuit in the country.
[19:16.560 --> 19:37.560]  This is a circuit where one of the judge's clerks committed suicide. And in his suicide note, he claimed as the reason it was remorse over ruling, just ruling against pro se litigants without even reading the pleadings.
[19:37.560 --> 19:47.560]  So this is the court we're dealing with the Supreme Court. This court said that if attorneys not aware of that hearing, you don't have a right to counsel.
[19:47.560 --> 20:12.560]  The Supreme Court said a criminal defendants initial appearance before a magistrate judge where he learns to charge against him and his liberty is subject to restriction marks the initial initiation of adversarial adversary judicial proceedings that trigger attachment of Sixth Amendment right to counsel.
[20:12.560 --> 20:26.560]  Attachment does not also require that a prosecutor as distinct from a police officer be aware that the initial proceeding over or involved in its conduct.
[20:26.560 --> 20:53.560]  Miss the word there, the article 1517 hearing marks the point of attachment with the consequent state of obligation to appoint counsel within a reasonable time once a request for assistance is made. This court has twice held that the right to counsel attached at the initial appearance before a judicial officer at which a defendant is told of the formal accusation against him and restrictions are imposed on his liberty.
[20:53.560 --> 21:08.560]  See Michigan v Jackson. See what it doesn't say the year 106 Southern Court 1404 and see Brewer v Williams. One of these is an 85 case.
[21:08.560 --> 21:24.560]  Rothgarry Rothgarry's hearing was an initial appearance. He was taken before a magistrate judge informed of the formal accusation against him and sent to jail until he posted bail. Thus Brewer and Jackson control.
[21:24.560 --> 21:43.560]  They made it very clear that initial hearing is the initiation of an adversarial proceeding. It is the proceeding where the Liberty interest of the individual is determined.
[21:43.560 --> 21:54.560]  Now, in order for the magistrate to make a determination concerning the Liberty interest of the individual.
[21:54.560 --> 22:02.560]  In a matter where the person is arrested without a warrant, there is only one way under law to do that.
[22:02.560 --> 22:10.560]  This particular document references a 1517 hearing.
[22:10.560 --> 22:19.560]  A 1517 hearing only applies if the person has been arrested with an existing warrant.
[22:19.560 --> 22:31.560]  And even then, he's required to be taken directly to the magistrate who issued the warrant.
[22:31.560 --> 22:45.560]  And the magistrate must make a determination of must set bail if bail is allowed by law. And there's only one way a magistrate can set bail.
[22:45.560 --> 22:50.560]  And that is after an examining trial.
[22:50.560 --> 22:56.560]  An examining trial is covered in Chapter 16, not Chapter 15.
[22:56.560 --> 23:06.560]  And in Chapter 16, it has all sorts of procedures in place to protect the Liberty interest and the rights of the accused.
[23:06.560 --> 23:31.560]  Right now, magistrates are taught to believe that all they have to do is read the person their rights and accept what and they believe they're required to accept what the policeman tells them out of hand and hear nothing from the accused.
[23:31.560 --> 23:39.560]  This is a procedure that's been in place since 1216. It's been consistent since that time.
[23:39.560 --> 23:54.560]  A person is to be taken before a neutral magistrate and the magistrate makes a determination after hearing evidence from both parties, whether or not there's sufficient evidence to hold the person.
[23:54.560 --> 24:03.560]  And when you speak it, it sounds absolutely reasonable and it sounds familiar. We've all heard of this.
[24:03.560 --> 24:10.560]  Anyone who's watched Night Court saw it in action. That's exactly how it was supposed to be done.
[24:10.560 --> 24:19.560]  Maybe not quite as humorous as you see on the TV program, but constitutionally, that was dead on. That's how it's to be done.
[24:19.560 --> 24:24.560]  And it's to be held under court under the rules of court.
[24:24.560 --> 24:33.560]  So when I go before the judge, I'm going to ask the judge specifically how that judge got subject matter jurisdiction in the case.
[24:33.560 --> 24:45.560]  And the judge is going to say that the police officer filed a complaint. Well, specifically, how is that done in a way that gives you subject matter jurisdiction?
[24:45.560 --> 24:52.560]  Because there was no warrant issued. I'm sorry. Actually, there was a warrant issued the first time I was arrested.
[24:52.560 --> 25:02.560]  There was no warrant issued. I was taken directly to jail. I was held in jail for 24 hours and then released without charge.
[25:02.560 --> 25:15.560]  Now, how does that happen under law? And if it doesn't happen under law, how are these officers not criminals?
[25:15.560 --> 25:26.560]  And then those criminals would come back to a magistrate after they find out I'm preparing to sue them and swear to lies before a magistrate.
[25:26.560 --> 25:35.560]  But they're criminals to start with. Therefore, under 38.23 Texas Code of Criminal Procedure,
[25:35.560 --> 25:45.560]  the magistrate and this court is forbidden to consider any evidence they would present to this court.
[25:45.560 --> 25:59.560]  So the court has no evidence before it. It only has my not guilty plea, which is a essentially denies all of the allegations of the accuser
[25:59.560 --> 26:09.560]  and puts the accuser to his proof. But the accuser cannot present any proof because the accuser is a criminal.
[26:09.560 --> 26:22.560]  And any evidence gathered or offered by the officer in violation of laws forbidden to be considered by the court.
[26:22.560 --> 26:34.560]  So how did you get subject matter jurisdiction? Ordinarily, you would get it after the person has been brought before a magistrate
[26:34.560 --> 26:47.560]  and a magistrate made a probable cause determination. Well, how was that done? And how is it to be done?
[26:47.560 --> 27:00.560]  Apparently, Judge Herb Evans, who I want subpoenaed to the court, I don't expect I'm going to court Monday at the on the sixth floor,
[27:00.560 --> 27:06.560]  the court seven. I don't expect to ever get in court. I expect him to dismiss before I get there.
[27:06.560 --> 27:15.560]  But if they don't, then I'm going to ask the judge to send the bailiff next door to go get Judge Evans and bring him up here
[27:15.560 --> 27:23.560]  so I can examine him on the stand and find out just how he came to a determination of probable cause.
[27:23.560 --> 27:34.560]  But when I get done with Evans, I'll ask the court to to to void the original warrant as being insufficient.
[27:34.560 --> 27:45.560]  And then after I was arrested the second time, I'm going to want the officers to explain why they took me to the jail
[27:45.560 --> 27:54.560]  instead of taking me upstairs to Judge Evans office because he's the one that issued the warrant.
[27:54.560 --> 28:01.560]  And fifteen point one six code of criminal procedure. This is arrest on a warrant.
[28:01.560 --> 28:12.560]  Very specifically commands the officer to take the person arrested to the magistrate who issued the warrant.
[28:12.560 --> 28:20.560]  That would have been Judge Evans. It was about two o'clock in the afternoon. He would have been in his office.
[28:20.560 --> 28:27.560]  So how are the police not criminals for taking me to jail, throwing me in jail?
[28:27.560 --> 28:36.560]  And I never did see the magistrate who issued the warrant. I did see a magistrate.
[28:36.560 --> 28:49.560]  And when I saw the magistrate, the magistrate had some documents in his hand that had evidence against me in those documents.
[28:49.560 --> 28:53.560]  And I asked the magistrate that far you've got in your hand.
[28:53.560 --> 28:59.560]  Does it have information about me and the alleged crime I was supposed to have committed in it?
[28:59.560 --> 29:07.560]  He said, yes, it does. Where did you get that? And the judge was somewhat taken aback.
[29:07.560 --> 29:15.560]  Well, Mr. Kelton, these are the charges of use. So I understand that. Who gave that to you?
[29:15.560 --> 29:21.560]  Well, we're not going to go there. We will go there. If not here or somewhere else.
[29:21.560 --> 29:33.560]  How did he get evidence entered into the court when the accused had no opportunity to challenge the foundation of the evidence or the propriety of the evidence?
[29:33.560 --> 29:37.560]  There's a whole book on that called Rules of Evidence.
[29:37.560 --> 29:43.560]  Rules of Evidence, exactly. All right. Listen, we've got Gene from Wisconsin and Will from Texas on the line.
[29:43.560 --> 29:45.560]  So, Randy, you want to start taking?
[29:45.560 --> 29:48.560]  I've got a little more and I'll finish this up after the break and then we'll go to the call.
[29:48.560 --> 29:54.560]  Okay, great. All right. We'll be right back. This is the rule of law on ruleoflawradio.com.
[29:54.560 --> 30:00.560]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, 512-646-1984.
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[31:00.560 --> 31:25.560]  Your job is to protect and to serve. Why are you not following the law of the land? Why are you not following the rule of law?
[31:25.560 --> 31:30.560]  Okay, Randy, go ahead and then we'll take Gene.
[31:30.560 --> 31:34.560]  Okay, I'm going to walk through what has to happen.
[31:34.560 --> 31:42.560]  If the person is arrested without a warrant, then a warrant has to be created and I'll get to that in a second.
[31:42.560 --> 31:52.560]  If the person was arrested with a warrant, the only way that can happen is if a police officer went to a magistrate.
[31:52.560 --> 31:58.560]  Now, he can be any judge, but when he does this, he's invoking the judge's duty as a magistrate.
[31:58.560 --> 32:03.560]  He makes an allegation, he presents a statement of problem and cause, and the judge looks at it and says,
[32:03.560 --> 32:10.560]  well, on the face of it, there's sufficient evidence to believe that a crime has been committed and that this person committed it.
[32:10.560 --> 32:20.560]  He issues a warrant and orders the policeman to arrest that person and bring him before me.
[32:20.560 --> 32:26.560]  Now, why would they do that? Why not just arrest him and throw him in jail?
[32:26.560 --> 32:36.560]  Well, bring him before me because I made the determination of probable cause based on what you told me.
[32:36.560 --> 32:48.560]  Now, I need to hear what he has to say so that I can make a proper determination of probable cause after considering evidence from both sides.
[32:48.560 --> 32:58.560]  If he is arrested without a warrant, then he's to bring him before any magistrate because there hasn't been a magistrate who's already looked at the case.
[32:58.560 --> 33:13.560]  So when he brings him before the magistrate, in order for the magistrate to set bail, there's something he must do, and that's hold an examining trial.
[33:13.560 --> 33:18.560]  That's what 17.05 Code of Criminal Procedure refers to.
[33:18.560 --> 33:25.560]  Bail is taken by a magistrate after an examining trial. That's real clear.
[33:25.560 --> 33:31.560]  Chapter 16 goes to examining trial, and it lists all the things the judge has to do.
[33:31.560 --> 33:37.560]  And one of the things, they have to protect all your rights, have to give you opportunity to challenge the evidence.
[33:37.560 --> 33:46.560]  The testimony has to be certified, and the accused gets an opportunity, has to sign the certification.
[33:46.560 --> 33:53.560]  Rules of evidence shall apply, right to attorney attaches, and on and on and on.
[33:53.560 --> 34:03.560]  If a determination of probable cause is made, or a determination of any kind, whether there is probable cause or is not probable cause,
[34:03.560 --> 34:14.560]  under 16.17, the magistrate is ordered, is directed to prepare an order stating whether the person was released at their liberty,
[34:14.560 --> 34:21.560]  remanded to the jail, or released on bail.
[34:21.560 --> 34:32.560]  16.20 requires the magistrate to prepare a warrant.
[34:32.560 --> 34:37.560]  Now, if he's already prepared one, he doesn't need to prepare another one.
[34:37.560 --> 34:43.560]  But if he hasn't prepared one, he must prepare a warrant.
[34:43.560 --> 34:53.560]  Because the police officer making the arrest, based on his word and his complaint,
[34:53.560 --> 35:00.560]  and his complaint carries no more legal authority than a complaint by any citizen,
[35:00.560 --> 35:12.560]  that's sufficient on its face to initiate the arrest, a criminal complaint complete in accordance with 15.05 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[35:12.560 --> 35:15.560]  That's a criminal affidavit.
[35:15.560 --> 35:23.560]  That gives the magistrate jurisdiction for the purpose of making a determination of probable cause.
[35:23.560 --> 35:31.560]  Once he's made a determination of probable cause, then he is to issue a warrant, and it is that warrant, and this is in Gerstein Pugh,
[35:31.560 --> 35:42.560]  which is a federal case, that he must issue a warrant in order to give jurisdiction to the court.
[35:42.560 --> 35:48.560]  He issues the warrant, and then he's to seal all these documents in an envelope,
[35:48.560 --> 35:57.560]  cause his name to be written across the seal of the envelope, and forward them to the clerk of the court of jurisdiction.
[35:57.560 --> 36:02.560]  The complaint is in there that gave the magistrate subject matter jurisdiction,
[36:02.560 --> 36:09.560]  and it's intended that the order showing that finding a probable cause be in there,
[36:09.560 --> 36:15.560]  and a warrant which will give the state subject matter jurisdiction.
[36:15.560 --> 36:21.560]  That's how this judge is to get subject matter jurisdiction.
[36:21.560 --> 36:24.560]  Without those, she doesn't have it.
[36:24.560 --> 36:33.560]  In this case, the judge has a warrant issued by the magistrate prior to arrest, but not after,
[36:33.560 --> 36:37.560]  because there was no subsequent finding of probable cause,
[36:37.560 --> 36:49.560]  and therefore I'm going to maintain that the court is without subject matter jurisdiction, because that warrant was not forwarded to the court
[36:49.560 --> 36:57.560]  by the magistrate before whom I was brought, who made the final determination of probable cause.
[36:57.560 --> 37:02.560]  Anyway, okay, that's how you get to subject matter jurisdiction of the court,
[37:02.560 --> 37:07.560]  and then what I mentioned earlier, if any of those people are criminals,
[37:07.560 --> 37:19.560]  the 38.23 Code of Criminal Procedure forbids the court to consider any evidence generated in violation of law.
[37:19.560 --> 37:23.560]  So they are stopped from using the evidence by the officers.
[37:23.560 --> 37:26.560]  Now the judge has a problem.
[37:26.560 --> 37:29.560]  Okay, let's go to our callers.
[37:29.560 --> 37:32.560]  Okay, we've got Gene from Wisconsin.
[37:32.560 --> 37:34.560]  Gene, thanks for calling in.
[37:34.560 --> 37:35.560]  What's on your mind tonight?
[37:35.560 --> 37:37.560]  Hey, everybody.
[37:37.560 --> 37:39.560]  This is the Moneyball.
[37:39.560 --> 37:51.560]  Well, I went to court on Monday, and I went up there and I stood on the private side of the bar.
[37:51.560 --> 37:55.560]  I didn't enter the bar, and I did my spiel.
[37:55.560 --> 38:01.560]  I stood on here on special appearance as an intervener to speak to the matter
[38:01.560 --> 38:07.560]  and help settle and close the issue, or help settle and close the matter.
[38:07.560 --> 38:09.560]  Okay, and of course, we went back and forth.
[38:09.560 --> 38:14.560]  Rather than having a commissioner sit up there, this is a small claims card now,
[38:14.560 --> 38:20.560]  rather than having a commissioner sit up there, they just had, I assume, a secretary or something,
[38:20.560 --> 38:23.560]  just reading off names and putting the file off to the side.
[38:23.560 --> 38:27.560]  Then what the commissioner would do is take the person off into the side.
[38:27.560 --> 38:31.560]  Well, after we did that, like 10 times, the commissioner peeks his head out the door and says,
[38:31.560 --> 38:34.560]  Dad, just write them up for you both.
[38:34.560 --> 38:43.560]  This is over this tax issue now that I called about several, I don't know, several times, several shows ago.
[38:43.560 --> 38:48.560]  Anyway, the girl looked at me and says, well, you're going to have to wait until last night.
[38:48.560 --> 38:54.560]  She put me on the bottom of the file, and rather than writing me up as a default right away,
[38:54.560 --> 38:59.560]  she does that and called my name again about, I don't know, maybe 25 minutes later.
[38:59.560 --> 39:05.560]  So anyway, not really knowing what to do, I thought, well, okay, if they enter a default on me,
[39:05.560 --> 39:07.560]  then I've got to reopen it.
[39:07.560 --> 39:13.560]  It's probably easier just to, I didn't even know, reopen it or file a suit against them.
[39:13.560 --> 39:20.560]  It might be easier just to go in there and pick this stuff up and go in and see what happens.
[39:20.560 --> 39:25.560]  So anyway, what I didn't know is that when I got in there,
[39:25.560 --> 39:30.560]  I finally went up there and said, yeah, that's me, here I am, okay, went in there.
[39:30.560 --> 39:37.560]  And what I didn't know is that when I got in there, well, let me back up a little bit here.
[39:37.560 --> 39:40.560]  When I went in there, I took two friends of mine in the rest.
[39:40.560 --> 39:42.560]  Come on, guys, let's go in here.
[39:42.560 --> 39:48.560]  And for witnesses, right, because there's no court reporter.
[39:48.560 --> 39:50.560]  So I took them in for witnesses.
[39:50.560 --> 39:53.560]  And the commissioner looks at me, the attorney sitting across the table,
[39:53.560 --> 39:56.560]  and the commissioner sitting at the desk.
[39:56.560 --> 39:59.560]  And the commissioner looks at me, he looks at them, he says, who are these people?
[39:59.560 --> 40:02.560]  I said, they're all friends in council.
[40:02.560 --> 40:03.560]  He says, what?
[40:03.560 --> 40:06.560]  I says, friends in council, you know.
[40:06.560 --> 40:11.560]  And he goes, he looks at them, he says, are either of you two representing this man?
[40:11.560 --> 40:16.560]  And then of course they looked at him and said, no, he says, get out of here.
[40:16.560 --> 40:17.560]  Okay.
[40:17.560 --> 40:24.560]  So anyway, we, you know, we're going back and forth and, you know, talking about, you know,
[40:24.560 --> 40:26.560]  attorney just basically said, do you owe these taxes?
[40:26.560 --> 40:29.560]  I says, well, no.
[40:29.560 --> 40:32.560]  I says, I'm exempt, you know.
[40:32.560 --> 40:38.560]  And we've bantered back and forth a very little bit over the capital name business,
[40:38.560 --> 40:44.560]  which I know is a loser, but it was something to at least get this thing started, I felt.
[40:44.560 --> 40:50.560]  And, you know, the commissioner came over to the desk, you know,
[40:50.560 --> 40:54.560]  literally came over to the desk waving his hand, you know, you know, telling me,
[40:54.560 --> 40:58.560]  well, are you or are you not connected with this name?
[40:58.560 --> 40:59.560]  Okay.
[40:59.560 --> 41:04.560]  It's like, okay, you know, do you want to be the prosecutor, you know?
[41:04.560 --> 41:10.560]  And anyway, what I found out after the fact, I'm getting kind of tangled up here.
[41:10.560 --> 41:15.560]  What I found out after the fact was that, and it didn't occur to me at the time,
[41:15.560 --> 41:20.560]  but the third party interloper filed the suit against me.
[41:20.560 --> 41:22.560]  Okay.
[41:22.560 --> 41:29.560]  The city attorney showed up and talked, you know, and was at the hearing.
[41:29.560 --> 41:30.560]  Well, was it a hearing?
[41:30.560 --> 41:32.560]  I don't even know if I can call it a hearing.
[41:32.560 --> 41:38.560]  But the city attorney is the one that showed up instead of the third party interloper.
[41:38.560 --> 41:39.560]  Okay.
[41:39.560 --> 41:44.560]  And I thought that the third party interloper had to show up.
[41:44.560 --> 41:50.560]  So what I'm looking for now, is there any fraud here?
[41:50.560 --> 41:58.560]  There's a primary flaw in that all courts shall be public.
[41:58.560 --> 42:03.560]  That's the first one I would file against a judge accusing him of facial oppression,
[42:03.560 --> 42:09.560]  of denying you a public court.
[42:09.560 --> 42:12.560]  Move to void the whole thing.
[42:12.560 --> 42:13.560]  Okay.
[42:13.560 --> 42:15.560]  Give you another bite at the apple.
[42:15.560 --> 42:22.560]  Well, a friend of mine told me that whoever the movie, he said, well, he said the moving party wasn't there.
[42:22.560 --> 42:24.560]  He says you should be able to just get that dismissed.
[42:24.560 --> 42:27.560]  He says they should default.
[42:27.560 --> 42:29.560]  Is there anything to that?
[42:29.560 --> 42:30.560]  There is something to it.
[42:30.560 --> 42:36.560]  There's a problem in that there was a representative for the moving party there,
[42:36.560 --> 42:40.560]  and you didn't demand to be faced by your accuser.
[42:40.560 --> 42:45.560]  Is this a criminal or a civil prosecution?
[42:45.560 --> 42:51.560]  It is a civil prosecution.
[42:51.560 --> 42:57.560]  It's going to depend on Wisconsin law.
[42:57.560 --> 43:05.560]  If the, did the attorney offer any evidence to the court?
[43:05.560 --> 43:08.560]  No, none.
[43:08.560 --> 43:10.560]  He can represent the client.
[43:10.560 --> 43:14.560]  He just can't testify for the client.
[43:14.560 --> 43:24.560]  Would the court first establish standing to adjudicate this against you?
[43:24.560 --> 43:26.560]  And how would they do that?
[43:26.560 --> 43:35.560]  Say that you're so-and-so, you own certain property, and the law assesses a tax,
[43:35.560 --> 43:37.560]  and you stake the case.
[43:37.560 --> 43:39.560]  No.
[43:39.560 --> 43:44.560]  All right, listen, we're going to break.
[43:44.560 --> 43:45.560]  Hang on the line, Gene, okay?
[43:45.560 --> 43:48.560]  And then we'll go to Will and Keith.
[43:48.560 --> 43:52.560]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on Thursday evening,
[43:52.560 --> 43:53.560]  October 1st.
[43:53.560 --> 44:00.560]  We'll be right back.
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[45:01.560 --> 45:23.560]  Music
[45:23.560 --> 45:25.560]  Okay, we are back.
[45:25.560 --> 45:28.560]  We're speaking with our caller, Gene.
[45:28.560 --> 45:30.560]  Okay, Randy, go ahead.
[45:30.560 --> 45:33.560]  Okay, here's the problem, Gene.
[45:33.560 --> 45:35.560]  You don't know what the heck is going on.
[45:35.560 --> 45:37.560]  Yeah, I know.
[45:37.560 --> 45:39.560]  You can't tell me what the heck is going on.
[45:39.560 --> 45:42.560]  So here's what I suggest.
[45:42.560 --> 45:46.560]  Go down there when you've got some time and find out what the heck is going on
[45:46.560 --> 45:51.560]  by go sitting in on some of these hearings.
[45:51.560 --> 45:54.560]  And if they tell you to get out of there,
[45:54.560 --> 45:57.560]  I suggest when you go there you go to security
[45:57.560 --> 46:02.560]  that you're going to want to watch these hearings.
[46:02.560 --> 46:08.560]  And you expect that the judge or whoever is conducting the hearing
[46:08.560 --> 46:10.560]  is going to order you to leave.
[46:10.560 --> 46:15.560]  And when he does, you're going to want that person arrested
[46:15.560 --> 46:20.560]  for denying you a public court.
[46:20.560 --> 46:24.560]  And that's going to get their attention really fast.
[46:24.560 --> 46:30.560]  So far, every time I've asked security to do that,
[46:30.560 --> 46:36.560]  I don't know, it seems to trigger something in them.
[46:36.560 --> 46:40.560]  They actually come with me.
[46:40.560 --> 46:44.560]  And I've never had them really mess with me when I did that.
[46:44.560 --> 46:47.560]  I've never had one arrest one of the public officials,
[46:47.560 --> 46:53.560]  but they didn't come after me either.
[46:53.560 --> 46:57.560]  You know, I've had them talk to me in Waco.
[46:57.560 --> 47:01.560]  I went to them and asked for security because I was going to go to the clerk
[47:01.560 --> 47:04.560]  and I expected the clerk to...
[47:04.560 --> 47:10.560]  actually I went to them and told them that the clerk had refused to provide access to records,
[47:10.560 --> 47:13.560]  so I need you to come with me.
[47:13.560 --> 47:18.560]  I will again request these records from the clerk, and I'm sure she will again refuse.
[47:18.560 --> 47:22.560]  And then I'm going to want you to arrest the clerk.
[47:22.560 --> 47:26.560]  And the guy got the deer in the headlights, looked, called his sergeant.
[47:26.560 --> 47:28.560]  The sergeant came with me.
[47:28.560 --> 47:31.560]  And they tried to argue law with me.
[47:31.560 --> 47:35.560]  And I said, look, Hans, you're not attorneys.
[47:35.560 --> 47:40.560]  You're not allowed to give me legal advice.
[47:40.560 --> 47:45.560]  So all I want you to do is perform your duty as prescribed by law.
[47:45.560 --> 47:48.560]  Well, we're not sure what our duty is.
[47:48.560 --> 47:51.560]  Your problem, not my problem.
[47:51.560 --> 47:55.560]  I know what your duty is, and I have invoked it.
[47:55.560 --> 48:01.560]  Your problem is what happens if you don't perform your duty.
[48:01.560 --> 48:06.560]  And being ignorant of your duty will not be helpful in your defense.
[48:06.560 --> 48:07.560]  Are you threatening us?
[48:07.560 --> 48:11.560]  Oh, absolutely not. I would never threaten you.
[48:11.560 --> 48:19.560]  I absolutely promise you, if you violate a law relating to your office,
[48:19.560 --> 48:27.560]  I will do everything I possibly can to get you indicted and thrown in prison.
[48:27.560 --> 48:30.560]  Do we understand each other?
[48:30.560 --> 48:34.560]  The sergeant stood there and looked at me for a minute.
[48:34.560 --> 48:39.560]  Yes, Mr. Kelton, we understand each other.
[48:39.560 --> 48:45.560]  The clerk in the meantime got all my records that I had asked for,
[48:45.560 --> 48:46.560]  and she brought them to me.
[48:46.560 --> 48:50.560]  I held up both hands, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
[48:50.560 --> 48:53.560]  That bell's been rung.
[48:53.560 --> 48:56.560]  We'll deal with those records later.
[48:56.560 --> 49:02.560]  I'm not so concerned with the records as the fact that you refused to give them to me.
[49:02.560 --> 49:10.560]  Once you made the refusal, the act was a feat to come play, and we can't go back and undo it.
[49:10.560 --> 49:15.560]  And now these guys, oh gee whiz, oh my goodness, it was great.
[49:15.560 --> 49:19.560]  Okay, Randy, we need to move on pretty soon because we have other callers,
[49:19.560 --> 49:21.560]  and remember, we want to have one caller per second.
[49:21.560 --> 49:28.560]  What I was going to suggest that you do, go down, watch the court.
[49:28.560 --> 49:30.560]  Demand it to hear the hearing.
[49:30.560 --> 49:36.560]  If you put some pressure on them, it's a good chance they'll let you hear the hearings so that you can understand what is actually going on.
[49:36.560 --> 49:39.560]  Find out what the rules of court is.
[49:39.560 --> 49:42.560]  Find out what's supposed to be going on.
[49:42.560 --> 49:44.560]  Look at what is actually going on.
[49:44.560 --> 49:49.560]  If they don't let you in the room, try to talk to the people coming out.
[49:49.560 --> 49:54.560]  Find out what's going on, and then come back and talk, and we'll figure out how to go after them.
[49:54.560 --> 49:57.560]  I can tell you what its purpose is.
[49:57.560 --> 49:58.560]  Okay.
[49:58.560 --> 50:05.560]  Supposedly what you do is you go in there, okay, and they first try to see if they can settle it in that back room.
[50:05.560 --> 50:08.560]  If they can't settle it in the back room, then they have a hearing,
[50:08.560 --> 50:15.560]  and supposedly then if it still can't be settled, then it just goes over to a standard judicial court.
[50:15.560 --> 50:17.560]  This is just a court commissioner.
[50:17.560 --> 50:21.560]  This is not actually a judge.
[50:21.560 --> 50:26.560]  Well, good, and he's dumb, and he don't know what the rules are.
[50:26.560 --> 50:35.560]  Throwing your witnesses out, you want to know where he got that authority, so go down there and do some research.
[50:35.560 --> 50:40.560]  When you start researching them, it makes them nuts.
[50:40.560 --> 50:41.560]  Okay.
[50:41.560 --> 50:46.560]  Go down and find out what the rules are for this kind of hearing.
[50:46.560 --> 50:48.560]  It's an administrative hearing.
[50:48.560 --> 50:50.560]  And who would I find that out from?
[50:50.560 --> 50:54.560]  I mean, I've asked many questions from many people, and I get zero for answers.
[50:54.560 --> 50:58.560]  Go to the judge.
[50:58.560 --> 51:04.560]  I'd like to go into the courtroom and tell the judge I have business with the court,
[51:04.560 --> 51:07.560]  and he'll ask what the nature of the business is, and I'll tell him I have business with the court,
[51:07.560 --> 51:08.560]  and it's none of your business.
[51:08.560 --> 51:12.560]  Just tell him I have business with the court and you're dismissed, and I go sit down.
[51:12.560 --> 51:18.560]  And the judge will always hear me, and then I ask these questions of the judge.
[51:18.560 --> 51:23.560]  That gets everybody's attention.
[51:23.560 --> 51:29.560]  When you approach the judge in open court, that gets everybody's attention.
[51:29.560 --> 51:34.560]  Then they start paying attention to you because everything they do is likely to pass through this judge,
[51:34.560 --> 51:36.560]  and they're not going to want that to happen.
[51:36.560 --> 51:39.560]  And this is on somebody else's case or in your case?
[51:39.560 --> 51:40.560]  On your case.
[51:40.560 --> 51:47.560]  On this in general, you want to understand you went into one of these hearings as one of these counselors
[51:47.560 --> 51:54.560]  or commissioners, whatever heck he was, and he did things that appeared to be grossly improper.
[51:54.560 --> 52:01.560]  You want to understand what the rules are, and you can't find anyone around here who seems to have a clue.
[52:01.560 --> 52:05.560]  Do you have any idea what's supposed to go on in there?
[52:05.560 --> 52:06.560]  Okay.
[52:06.560 --> 52:10.560]  And if he says yes or no, it's okay.
[52:10.560 --> 52:12.560]  Tell me who does.
[52:12.560 --> 52:15.560]  Surely someone in this courtroom knows, courthouse knows what's going on.
[52:15.560 --> 52:16.560]  Okay.
[52:16.560 --> 52:17.560]  If not you, who?
[52:17.560 --> 52:19.560]  And you can be insulting to the judge, heck with him.
[52:19.560 --> 52:20.560]  You're the sovereign.
[52:20.560 --> 52:21.560]  Let him know that.
[52:21.560 --> 52:22.560]  Okay.
[52:22.560 --> 52:23.560]  We need to move along.
[52:23.560 --> 52:24.560]  We're going to run out of time again.
[52:24.560 --> 52:25.560]  Okay.
[52:25.560 --> 52:26.560]  Can you reiterate one thing?
[52:26.560 --> 52:29.560]  Do your homework, figure out what's going on, and come back.
[52:29.560 --> 52:31.560]  I think you're going to have some good stuff to tell us.
[52:31.560 --> 52:33.560]  Can you reiterate one thing real quickly?
[52:33.560 --> 52:34.560]  Yes.
[52:34.560 --> 52:38.560]  Did you say that you feel that there's no standing to get this thrown out then
[52:38.560 --> 52:44.560]  because they put a different attorney in the interloper's place?
[52:44.560 --> 52:49.560]  Well, the attorney can't offer any kind of evidence whatsoever.
[52:49.560 --> 52:53.560]  And since this was an administrative hearing, since I don't know the rules of the
[52:53.560 --> 52:55.560]  administrative hearing, we have no idea.
[52:55.560 --> 52:58.560]  Apparently this is some kind of informal hearing.
[52:58.560 --> 53:03.560]  And if that's the case, then you file official oppression charges against the
[53:03.560 --> 53:12.560]  commissioner for his improper behavior in the hearing.
[53:12.560 --> 53:13.560]  Okay.
[53:13.560 --> 53:16.560]  And there are cases where they can substitute an attorney because the
[53:16.560 --> 53:22.560]  plaintiff is being represented without recusing himself?
[53:22.560 --> 53:24.560]  No, it's different in civil than in criminal.
[53:24.560 --> 53:27.560]  In criminal, you have the right to be faced by your accuser.
[53:27.560 --> 53:29.560]  But this is not a criminal case.
[53:29.560 --> 53:31.560]  This is a civil case.
[53:31.560 --> 53:35.560]  The attorney can represent one of the parties, but he can't testify for the
[53:35.560 --> 53:36.560]  party.
[53:36.560 --> 53:38.560]  He can't end your evidence for the party.
[53:38.560 --> 53:41.560]  That's why I was asking how they establish standing.
[53:41.560 --> 53:42.560]  Okay.
[53:42.560 --> 53:43.560]  Because that's what bothers me.
[53:43.560 --> 53:44.560]  They wanted my evidence.
[53:44.560 --> 53:46.560]  I had a half-inch stack.
[53:46.560 --> 53:47.560]  Okay.
[53:47.560 --> 53:50.560]  And I didn't give it to them either because they didn't give it to me.
[53:50.560 --> 53:54.560]  The whole point according to the summons is that everybody was supposed to
[53:54.560 --> 53:56.560]  bring their evidence and sit down.
[53:56.560 --> 53:57.560]  Wait a minute.
[53:57.560 --> 53:59.560]  Summons?
[53:59.560 --> 54:01.560]  You were there under summons?
[54:01.560 --> 54:02.560]  Yes.
[54:02.560 --> 54:03.560]  Okay.
[54:03.560 --> 54:04.560]  This is an official hearing then.
[54:04.560 --> 54:08.560]  They're going to have to follow the rules of court.
[54:08.560 --> 54:15.560]  You need to find the rules of court and understand them.
[54:15.560 --> 54:18.560]  And all the hearings are going to go by that.
[54:18.560 --> 54:23.560]  But do some more digging into what this is and then call us back next week.
[54:23.560 --> 54:26.560]  That's your homework.
[54:26.560 --> 54:27.560]  I think you'll find something.
[54:27.560 --> 54:28.560]  I'll do that.
[54:28.560 --> 54:31.560]  You'll have some interesting information.
[54:31.560 --> 54:32.560]  Well, I hope I will.
[54:32.560 --> 54:36.560]  You need to know more about what they're doing than they do.
[54:36.560 --> 54:37.560]  Right.
[54:37.560 --> 54:38.560]  Okay.
[54:38.560 --> 54:39.560]  I'll look.
[54:39.560 --> 54:42.560]  And you're basically Wisconsin rules and civil procedure is where I want to
[54:42.560 --> 54:43.560]  start, right?
[54:43.560 --> 54:44.560]  Yes.
[54:44.560 --> 54:45.560]  Okay.
[54:45.560 --> 54:46.560]  Okay.
[54:46.560 --> 54:47.560]  Have fun.
[54:47.560 --> 54:48.560]  All right.
[54:48.560 --> 54:50.560]  Thank you much.
[54:50.560 --> 54:51.560]  Okay.
[54:51.560 --> 54:52.560]  All right.
[54:52.560 --> 54:57.560]  We're going on now to Will in Texas.
[54:57.560 --> 54:58.560]  And don't worry, Will.
[54:58.560 --> 55:02.560]  We're going to give you pretty much almost until the end of the following
[55:02.560 --> 55:03.560]  segment.
[55:03.560 --> 55:07.560]  We've got to try to keep callers to one segment per call at this point.
[55:07.560 --> 55:10.560]  But we started in the middle of the previous segment with the last caller,
[55:10.560 --> 55:14.560]  so I knew it was going to get hard to try to make distinguishable breaks here.
[55:14.560 --> 55:15.560]  But go ahead, Will.
[55:15.560 --> 55:16.560]  What's on your mind?
[55:16.560 --> 55:18.560]  Well, I probably don't need a segment.
[55:18.560 --> 55:20.560]  Just a couple of minutes.
[55:20.560 --> 55:27.560]  I was wondering if you're arrested with the case that you should be taken to
[55:27.560 --> 55:32.560]  the magistrate, should you mention anything about this to the policeman or
[55:32.560 --> 55:36.560]  should you keep your mouth shut and let him make all the mistakes?
[55:36.560 --> 55:46.560]  The one thing you absolutely want to say is if I was writing out an outline
[55:46.560 --> 55:52.560]  using this really neat program someone gave me and kind of a flow chart.
[55:52.560 --> 55:55.560]  It's called a pen and a paper, right, Randy?
[55:55.560 --> 55:56.560]  Actually...
[55:56.560 --> 55:58.560]  For writing flow charts, a pen and a paper?
[55:58.560 --> 55:59.560]  No, this was even better.
[55:59.560 --> 56:01.560]  It's a really neat program.
[56:01.560 --> 56:02.560]  Anyway...
[56:02.560 --> 56:04.560]  Well, I like to use a pen and a paper for those sorts of things.
[56:04.560 --> 56:11.560]  One of the places where I put after arrest, say these words,
[56:11.560 --> 56:20.560]  take me directly to the nearest magistrate, then shut up.
[56:20.560 --> 56:24.560]  And I go on to explain how, don't converse with the officer.
[56:24.560 --> 56:28.560]  If you've been arrested, don't talk to him, don't ask him questions.
[56:28.560 --> 56:33.560]  If he asks you questions, your answer is take me directly to the nearest
[56:33.560 --> 56:34.560]  magistrate.
[56:34.560 --> 56:37.560]  That's all he gets out of you.
[56:37.560 --> 56:43.560]  Okay, so you definitely give him forewarning basically that...
[56:43.560 --> 56:44.560]  Exactly.
[56:44.560 --> 56:50.560]  In the traffic code, it says that it addresses that.
[56:50.560 --> 56:53.560]  I think it's in 1406 as well.
[56:53.560 --> 57:02.560]  A police officer can release you on your signature for a misdemeanor
[57:02.560 --> 57:07.560]  unless you demand to be taken to the nearest magistrate,
[57:07.560 --> 57:10.560]  in which case they must do that.
[57:10.560 --> 57:14.560]  So the demand is indicated in law.
[57:14.560 --> 57:19.560]  So my suggestion is, and it's a great answer,
[57:19.560 --> 57:25.560]  to ask you a question, your answer is take me to the nearest magistrate.
[57:25.560 --> 57:28.560]  Take me directly to the nearest magistrate.
[57:28.560 --> 57:32.560]  And if they ask you another question, you might not want to say what part of
[57:32.560 --> 57:34.560]  I do not want to talk to you, do you not understand.
[57:34.560 --> 57:38.560]  It may well get your face smashed into a wall.
[57:38.560 --> 57:40.560]  Been there, done that.
[57:40.560 --> 57:45.560]  Should I consider arrest when they say I need to see your driver's license
[57:45.560 --> 57:48.560]  and your insurance and your registration?
[57:48.560 --> 57:52.560]  Should I say take me to the nearest magistrate?
[57:52.560 --> 57:54.560]  You're not under arrest yet.
[57:54.560 --> 57:55.560]  Okay.
[57:55.560 --> 57:58.560]  You only do that when you're clearly under arrest.
[57:58.560 --> 58:03.560]  And when they're asking you for that information, this is a cherry stop,
[58:03.560 --> 58:05.560]  and what you want to say is,
[58:05.560 --> 58:11.560]  what evidence do you have to believe that I am operating in commerce?
[58:11.560 --> 58:14.560]  Yeah, and Eddie will be able to better answer some of these questions tomorrow
[58:14.560 --> 58:16.560]  night and at the seminar.
[58:16.560 --> 58:20.560]  He's got a whole list of things for people to do
[58:20.560 --> 58:27.560]  and a document for people to give the police in these instances.
[58:27.560 --> 58:31.560]  Okay, and when I get in front of the magistrate, should I also ask,
[58:31.560 --> 58:37.560]  should I let him make the mistake or guide him the right way?
[58:37.560 --> 58:41.560]  I intend not to give legal advice.
[58:41.560 --> 58:43.560]  Listen, we're going to break.
[58:43.560 --> 58:47.560]  Can you stay on the line, Will, and we'll finish talking to you on the other side, okay?
[58:47.560 --> 58:48.560]  Yes.
[58:48.560 --> 58:49.560]  Okay, and then we'll go to Kate.
[58:49.560 --> 58:53.560]  The other callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[58:53.560 --> 58:56.560]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
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[01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:45.560]  Okay, chant for justice and peace here on the rule of law.
[01:03:45.560 --> 01:03:48.560]  We're speaking with Will from Texas.
[01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:55.560]  Well, you were asking about how to handle the situation or how would one of us handle the situation
[01:03:55.560 --> 01:04:00.560]  if we were in that situation regarding once we get in front of a magistrate.
[01:04:00.560 --> 01:04:01.560]  Is that correct?
[01:04:01.560 --> 01:04:02.560]  Yes.
[01:04:02.560 --> 01:04:07.560]  Would you give the same courtesy to a magistrate and say, I need counsel,
[01:04:07.560 --> 01:04:10.560]  or would you just be quiet and let them make the mistakes?
[01:04:10.560 --> 01:04:21.560]  I've learned from being in these situations not to try to give these folks legal advice.
[01:04:21.560 --> 01:04:26.560]  But then on the other hand, when you come before a court of reasonable people,
[01:04:26.560 --> 01:04:33.560]  reasonable people will expect you to at least give someone notice.
[01:04:33.560 --> 01:04:42.560]  So when I'm dealing with these guys, I try to impart what information I want them to know
[01:04:42.560 --> 01:04:47.560]  in terms of questions or requests.
[01:04:47.560 --> 01:04:51.560]  Take me directly to the nearest magistrate.
[01:04:51.560 --> 01:04:55.560]  That's fair warning in that regard.
[01:04:55.560 --> 01:05:02.560]  I demand my right to counsel, or I do not waive my right to counsel.
[01:05:02.560 --> 01:05:07.560]  What I told earlier about when I was brought before a magistrate,
[01:05:07.560 --> 01:05:13.560]  and the magistrate had already made a determination of probable cause,
[01:05:13.560 --> 01:05:16.560]  and I knew he'd already done that.
[01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:19.560]  I also knew it was illegal.
[01:05:19.560 --> 01:05:23.560]  But if I tell him what he did was criminal, all I'll do is get a fight out of him.
[01:05:23.560 --> 01:05:26.560]  He might throw me back in jail for another day or two,
[01:05:26.560 --> 01:05:30.560]  and then I have even more of a fight against him.
[01:05:30.560 --> 01:05:36.560]  So I just ask him, where did you get that?
[01:05:36.560 --> 01:05:39.560]  Who gave that to you?
[01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:42.560]  That gave him all the information that he needed.
[01:05:42.560 --> 01:05:52.560]  And so far, everyone that I have asked that of very quickly understood exactly where I was going.
[01:05:52.560 --> 01:05:59.560]  And that works really well because the magistrate, because of the nature of the question
[01:05:59.560 --> 01:06:04.560]  and the cause, I didn't offer him any information.
[01:06:04.560 --> 01:06:08.560]  He's thinking, this guy's setting me up for something.
[01:06:08.560 --> 01:06:12.560]  Will, listen, there's a lot of background noise on your end.
[01:06:12.560 --> 01:06:15.560]  We may have to have you call back in.
[01:06:15.560 --> 01:06:19.560]  Okay, this is a noisy area.
[01:06:19.560 --> 01:06:20.560]  Okay.
[01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:27.560]  Okay, but anyway, that's kind of, try not to tell them what your rights are.
[01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:30.560]  They already know it's presupposed that they know.
[01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:37.560]  If there's something they need to know, try to let them know by directing,
[01:06:37.560 --> 01:06:41.560]  demanding that they do something or asking them a question.
[01:06:41.560 --> 01:06:46.560]  And the last one is, if a judge says, I'm about to find you in contempt of court,
[01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:54.560]  is there anything you can say or just tear it up, which what's the best hypothetical approach?
[01:06:54.560 --> 01:07:01.560]  Say nothing, unless he's demanded that you answer.
[01:07:01.560 --> 01:07:09.560]  And that can get complex, depending on what the nature of the,
[01:07:09.560 --> 01:07:13.560]  what the reason for finding you in contempt is.
[01:07:13.560 --> 01:07:20.560]  If he is asking you to say something that amounts to testimony, for instance,
[01:07:20.560 --> 01:07:25.560]  if he's asking you for a plea and you challenge the jurisdiction,
[01:07:25.560 --> 01:07:32.560]  and he says he's going to find you in contempt, if you don't enter a plea, then enter a plea.
[01:07:32.560 --> 01:07:33.560]  Okay.
[01:07:33.560 --> 01:07:37.560]  You don't have to get in a fight with the judge.
[01:07:37.560 --> 01:07:40.560]  If the judge is doing something improper, you don't have to fight with him.
[01:07:40.560 --> 01:07:42.560]  You don't have to tell him.
[01:07:42.560 --> 01:07:47.560]  All you have to do is register your objection to the proceeding.
[01:07:47.560 --> 01:07:54.560]  And if the issue is raised later of the fact that you entered the plea,
[01:07:54.560 --> 01:07:59.560]  then you raise the issue, I entered the plea under threat.
[01:07:59.560 --> 01:08:03.560]  He had guys standing there with pistols and hairy knuckles,
[01:08:03.560 --> 01:08:06.560]  willing to skin their knuckles on my face.
[01:08:06.560 --> 01:08:10.560]  So I did what I was told under duress.
[01:08:10.560 --> 01:08:11.560]  Okay.
[01:08:11.560 --> 01:08:12.560]  That's it.
[01:08:12.560 --> 01:08:14.560]  Hopefully, I didn't even take a whole section.
[01:08:14.560 --> 01:08:15.560]  So thanks a lot.
[01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:16.560]  Oh, no, you're fine.
[01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:17.560]  You're fine.
[01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:18.560]  We'll bill you for the extra time.
[01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:22.560]  And I want to answer, I want to address that last question, too.
[01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:30.560]  Again, and this is just what I would do, and I've said this many times, so this isn't just for will.
[01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.560]  I will do whatever I need to do to stay out of jail at any particular given time,
[01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.560]  because it's not worth it to me.
[01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:47.560]  It's just not worth it to lose my liberties like that and the devastation
[01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:51.560]  and the havoc that it would cause in my life, especially in the position that I am now,
[01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.560]  running the radio network and all these things, I can't afford it.
[01:08:55.560 --> 01:09:01.560]  I can't afford to make a statement in that way and go to jail for it.
[01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:06.560]  So I just have to do what I need to do to stay out of jail, and that's all there is to it.
[01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:11.560]  And then if they railroad over my rights, then I go back after them later.
[01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:16.560]  And so, you know, especially me being a woman, God knows what they would do to me while I'm inside there.
[01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.560]  I may not make it out alive.
[01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:20.560]  They may shred me limb from limb.
[01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:24.560]  I may not make it out with my psyche intact.
[01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:31.560]  Okay, so I have to do what I have to do to stay out of jail, out of prison at all times,
[01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:33.560]  and that's just my personal decision.
[01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:37.560]  And it goes to posture.
[01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:43.560]  Arguing with your servants is weak posture.
[01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:45.560]  That's true.
[01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:52.560]  When you don't argue with them, when you just assert your rights and then let them do whatever they do,
[01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:56.560]  it makes them uncomfortable.
[01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:03.560]  Yeah, and also, you know, making arrogant decisions and posturing yourself in a way where you allow your servants
[01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:08.560]  to imprison you, that's pretty weak posture too.
[01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.560]  So, you know, that's what I have to say about it.
[01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:20.560]  You know, like Randy said, you can enter a plea and notate that it's under duress,
[01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:26.560]  these sort of things to protect yourself so that you can go back after them in a lawsuit later,
[01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:32.560]  where your liberties are not at stake, you know, your livelihood.
[01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:35.560]  You know, I can't afford to spend any time in jail.
[01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:36.560]  I can't afford the headache.
[01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:37.560]  I can't afford the hassle.
[01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:45.560]  I can't afford, you know, to be on the defensive end of a case and have to deal with bondsmen
[01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:46.560]  and all these kinds of things.
[01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:51.560]  I can't afford to lose a single minute, you know, because I have to run the radio network
[01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.560]  and I have to make a living and pay the bills and all these things.
[01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.560]  I have thousands of people depending on me.
[01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:59.560]  So I just, I can't make those kinds of decisions.
[01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:05.560]  You know, it's like if people don't have anything to lose and they want to make a stand like that
[01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.560]  and they can afford to spend time in jail and they're a big burly guy not afraid of getting raped,
[01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:11.560]  well, then that might be another story, okay?
[01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:13.560]  But that ain't the way it is for me.
[01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:17.560]  So, you know, it's a personal decision at that point.
[01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:21.560]  Are you willing to lose your liberty to make a point?
[01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:23.560]  And for me, the answer is no.
[01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.560]  Hey, I'm a big burly guy, but I'm going to avoid Jethro in the shower.
[01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:28.560]  Yeah, well.
[01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.560]  That's all there is to that.
[01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:39.560]  Yeah, the thing is if you're going to be arrested, keep your dignity.
[01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:46.560]  Don't give them anything extra because they will take anything you say or anything you do and twist it.
[01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.560]  Well, yeah, and I wouldn't give them a reason to arrest me either.
[01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.560]  I think that's Will's main question here.
[01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:56.560]  You know, it's like don't give them a reason to throw you in the slammer.
[01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:02.560]  If you see that the judge is getting PO'd and aggravated and verging on threatening,
[01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:08.560]  already threatening contempt, don't push the envelope, you know?
[01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:12.560]  Get back off a little bit so that you live to fight another day.
[01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:17.560]  Yeah, I've had a judge tell me, Mr. Kelton, sit down and shut up.
[01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:21.560]  And what I did was I sat down and I shut up.
[01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:23.560]  It's probably a good move.
[01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:25.560]  No argument, no resistance.
[01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:27.560]  I sat down and shut up.
[01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:29.560]  And it's good for your posture.
[01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:35.560]  And you have to realize, too, with contempt, there's a lot of discretion on the part of the judge.
[01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.560]  It's 100 percent discretion from what I understand.
[01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:44.560]  Don't just hold your butt in the slammer until he or she decides you're not in contempt anymore.
[01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:48.560]  It's not like there's any due process with contempt.
[01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:49.560]  Actually, there is.
[01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.560]  You can have a show cause hearing.
[01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:56.560]  But in the meantime, you go to jail and you demand the show cause hearing from jail.
[01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.560]  So you want to avoid contempt.
[01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.560]  Yeah, good luck demanding anything from inside the slammer,
[01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:03.560]  especially if you don't have anyone to help you.
[01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:07.560]  If the judge is acting outrageously,
[01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:14.560]  then very politely ask the judge to disqualify himself or request a continuance
[01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:19.560]  so that you may have time to prepare a motion for disqualification.
[01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:25.560]  If he refuses and insists on continuing, continue.
[01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.560]  Don't walk away from your liberty.
[01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.560]  These guys who say, oh, they don't have jurisdiction, so don't go to the court.
[01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:35.560]  Yeah, go to the court.
[01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:39.560]  Go to the court and tell them they don't have jurisdiction.
[01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.560]  Better yet, go to the court and prove it.
[01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:50.560]  Well, yeah, if you act like they can't do something, you'll find they can do a whole lot of things.
[01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.560]  They can do anything they want,
[01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:57.560]  especially since they've got the guns in the jails and the whole system behind them.
[01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:04.560]  They can do just about anything they want, and we have to go through proper channels to stop them.
[01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:09.560]  You want to try to avoid creating any extra fights.
[01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:12.560]  I agree. We already got enough on our hands as it is.
[01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:19.560]  We try to stay with primary issues, and what they are good at is confrontation.
[01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:21.560]  That's what they do all the time,
[01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.560]  so they're very good at getting you into a confrontation,
[01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:28.560]  at getting you angry and getting you to do something careless.
[01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:32.560]  When they can't get you angry and they can't get you to do something careless, it drives them crazy.
[01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.560]  That's what happened to me at the Secretary of State's office.
[01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:41.560]  I had called 911 on the police, asking them to come and arrest the police,
[01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:46.560]  and when these moron officers wrote their statement,
[01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.560]  I guess they were trying to twist everything,
[01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:57.560]  and he wrote in his statement that he indicated he wanted to ask me some questions,
[01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:04.560]  and I whispered to him that I couldn't talk to him because they were the bad guys,
[01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:09.560]  and he put that in there like it was going to sound bad for me,
[01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.560]  that I couldn't talk to him, and he said,
[01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:16.560]  well, why can't you talk to me, and I told him because they were the bad guys,
[01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.560]  and he indicated that I whispered that.
[01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:23.560]  He's trying to find something to make it look bad.
[01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:25.560]  He can't.
[01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:28.560]  They also told him that I was sitting down,
[01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:32.560]  so they can't say I was agitated.
[01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:33.560]  You were whispering.
[01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:34.560]  You were sitting down.
[01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:39.560]  It's kind of like at the Rainbow Gathering a year and a half ago.
[01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:45.560]  Everyone was sitting down, Indian-style oming and praying,
[01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.560]  and they got shot in the back.
[01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:50.560]  Yeah.
[01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:57.560]  So, you know, the idea is keep in mind they will try to twist everything.
[01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:03.560]  One thing in all of these officers' statements,
[01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:09.560]  they accused me of being agitated outside.
[01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:15.560]  Anytime you say anything they don't like, they accuse you of being agitated.
[01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:17.560]  But inside, they never did.
[01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:19.560]  Outside, they did because I was standing.
[01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.560]  Inside, they could not because I was sitting.
[01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:28.560]  And when they talked to me, I didn't get up.
[01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:32.560]  One of them actually asked me to stand up, and I told him to get lost.
[01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:33.560]  Okay.
[01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.560]  Yeah, I think that's what did it.
[01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:37.560]  Okay, listen, we got to let you go, Will.
[01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:39.560]  We're going to go on to Keith in the next segment,
[01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:41.560]  and then we've got Shane from New York.
[01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:42.560]  Thanks.
[01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.560]  I'm going to probably go by your dictionary here in a couple of minutes.
[01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:48.560]  Okay, thank you.
[01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.560]  Okay, we'll be right back after this short break.
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[01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:58.560]  Keith from Texas, thanks for calling in.
[01:18:58.560 --> 01:18:59.560]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:01.560]  Hey, guys, how's it going tonight?
[01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:03.560]  Pretty good.
[01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:12.560]  So just, I guess we're talking about the, I guess, steps to obtaining jurisdiction.
[01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:21.560]  I guess it goes something on a complaint from the cop, then your probable cause document,
[01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:26.560]  and then your warrant.
[01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.560]  Jurisdiction would be acquired, I suppose, and then you'd have the bonding instrument.
[01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:31.560]  Is that about right?
[01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:32.560]  Yes.
[01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:33.560]  That sounds about right.
[01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:35.560]  Okay, the complaint.
[01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.560]  You mentioned the complaint and then the statement.
[01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:47.560]  The complaint and statement of probable cause can be combined into one document, but they don't have to be.
[01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:48.560]  Yeah.
[01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:55.560]  The complaint can just state simply that he has reason to believe and does believe based on these particular facts.
[01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:56.560]  Right.
[01:19:56.560 --> 01:20:04.560]  And if it's not all inclusive, then they can attach to it a statement of probable cause, which must be verified.
[01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:14.560]  Or he can make the complaint more complete, like generally the police officer's report is taken as a complaint.
[01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:20.560]  That has to be verified and filed with the court or filed with the court as a verified document.
[01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:21.560]  Yeah.
[01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:26.560]  Well, I'm looking at mine right now.
[01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:28.560]  It's not signed by an magistrate.
[01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.560]  It's signed by an assistant district attorney.
[01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:33.560]  A what?
[01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.560]  An assistant DA.
[01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:38.560]  It's an information.
[01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:40.560]  It's an information.
[01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:45.560]  Is it on a C, B?
[01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:46.560]  What level?
[01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:47.560]  I'm sorry?
[01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:49.560]  What level of charge is it?
[01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:53.560]  C, B, or A?
[01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:55.560]  What's a misdemeanor?
[01:20:55.560 --> 01:21:00.560]  I'm talking all misdemeanors, but is it a traffic or higher than traffic?
[01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:06.560]  It's, I can't see it on here.
[01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:07.560]  What's the charge?
[01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:09.560]  That's DUI.
[01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:10.560]  Oh, okay.
[01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:15.560]  So that's going to be a, at least if it's your first, it'll be a Class B misdemeanor.
[01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:17.560]  There has to be a charging instrument.
[01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:27.560]  And the charging instrument, okay, the information is considered to be what gives the court jurisdiction.
[01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:34.560]  However, an information cannot be prepared until a criminal complaint is filed.
[01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:35.560]  Right.
[01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:37.560]  So there should be one of each, correct?
[01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:39.560]  Absolutely.
[01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:42.560]  I don't see it in here.
[01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:49.560]  And I have a whole set of documents that I file in these cases.
[01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:52.560]  Never got them to court.
[01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:54.560]  I'm going to go to court Monday.
[01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:56.560]  All my documents are in.
[01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.560]  They're not going to hear the documents.
[01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:04.560]  If they do, it'll surprise me and it'll be great, but so far I've never got them before court.
[01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:11.560]  The court refuses to hear them because of the nature of the accusations they do not want them brought before the court.
[01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:12.560]  Right.
[01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:19.560]  So, and that's where it starts with the validity of the original complaint.
[01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:27.560]  I'll be accusing the officers of aggravated perjury, conspiracy to commit, aggravated kidnapping, aggravated assault.
[01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:29.560]  There's just a whole stack of them.
[01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.560]  Right.
[01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:35.560]  Randy, shouldn't there be a, you mentioned a warrant.
[01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:38.560]  Shouldn't there be a warrant for arrest without a warrant?
[01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:40.560]  Absolutely, there must be a warrant.
[01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:42.560]  Yeah, there's no warrant here either.
[01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:48.560]  A look under 16.20, Code of Criminal Procedure.
[01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:49.560]  There's no warrant.
[01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:52.560]  You were arrested without a warrant.
[01:22:52.560 --> 01:23:00.560]  The officer had to file a criminal complaint with a magistrate, and the magistrate was required to prepare a warrant.
[01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:07.560]  There's no warrant or complaint, but there is, I guess, a general charging thing, a charging document here.
[01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:19.560]  In Gerstein Pew, it explains that the warrant is the document that gives the state subject matter jurisdiction and authority to continue to hold you,
[01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:25.560]  that the officer can hold you based on a criminal complaint until he gets you before the magistrate,
[01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:32.560]  and the magistrate must perform an examination and issue a warrant in order to give the state authority to continue to hold.
[01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:34.560]  Right.
[01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.560]  It's a matter of following the jurisdiction.
[01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:41.560]  The jurisdiction stops when the person gets before the magistrate.
[01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:44.560]  It stops at the magistrate.
[01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:52.560]  Well, in this particular instance, I've never, I guess, Randy, you're familiar with it, but I've never even gone through an examination.
[01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:53.560]  I've never done any.
[01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:54.560]  I didn't see anyone at all.
[01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:55.560]  Okay.
[01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:56.560]  And now I guess.
[01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:57.560]  They arrested you?
[01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:58.560]  Oh, yeah.
[01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:02.560]  Did they take you before any kind of a magistrate?
[01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:03.560]  No, sir.
[01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:05.560]  Not a soul.
[01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:07.560]  I didn't see anybody.
[01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:09.560]  And I just left.
[01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:10.560]  I didn't leave.
[01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:11.560]  I bonded out.
[01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:13.560]  I had a cash bond.
[01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:22.560]  But that's part of my thing, and since I've spoken to you last, I've filed judicial misconduct, claims,
[01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:27.560]  four-bar grievances, 22 criminal complaints.
[01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:28.560]  Okay.
[01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:29.560]  You need to get.
[01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:30.560]  You name it.
[01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.560]  You need to get my motions in to protect yourself from them.
[01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:35.560]  The motions are already in.
[01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:36.560]  Oh, okay.
[01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:43.560]  They've got a cautioned argument, and they've got a disqualified magistrate and the disqualified arresting officer.
[01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:44.560]  Oh, okay.
[01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.560]  Then they're stuck.
[01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:57.560]  And, Randy, and I did, per our last conversation, I wrote them and asked them.
[01:24:57.560 --> 01:24:58.560]  Oh, your keys.
[01:24:58.560 --> 01:24:59.560]  Yeah.
[01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:00.560]  Stupid me.
[01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:01.560]  Okay.
[01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:02.560]  Bring it.
[01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:03.560]  Bring it.
[01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:04.560]  That's okay.
[01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:10.560]  But I did write them and asked them to set a date for the motion hearing.
[01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:11.560]  Good.
[01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:12.560]  And that was a week ago.
[01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:14.560]  I haven't heard anything back.
[01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.560]  They haven't called me, they haven't emailed.
[01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:19.560]  All my information's on there.
[01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.560]  They could have faxed me something back.
[01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:22.560]  My fax number's on there.
[01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:24.560]  Everything's there.
[01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:25.560]  Prepare.
[01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:41.560]  You might, just for yucks, prepare a motion to compel and ask the court to compel his clerk to set your motions for hearing.
[01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:46.560]  Now, he's not going to do it, but it's in the record.
[01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:47.560]  Yeah, that's the thing.
[01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:49.560]  I just find a lot of things on record.
[01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:55.560]  This is what Dr. Graves talks about, is setting the record.
[01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:57.560]  You try to get it set for hearing.
[01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:00.560]  The clerk, the coordinator refuses to.
[01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:04.560]  You ask the judge to order her to, and the judge refuses to.
[01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:21.560]  And when you get no response to that, then you go to the district court and ask for a motion to compel or mandamus to the lower court, mandamus ordering the judge to set your motions for hearing.
[01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.560]  And then a mandamus to district court.
[01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:25.560]  I'm familiar with them too.
[01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:28.560]  Obviously, I had to call over there just to get this information.
[01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:40.560]  This information was processed on the 28th, and I was actually in there on the 27th, and yet I didn't see anybody.
[01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:54.560]  And like I said, this thing's like a warrant and the officer's initial – I mean, his signature should be – the cop's signature should be on something in this magistrate, on something in this thing, but I don't see it.
[01:26:54.560 --> 01:27:01.560]  Absolutely. And you also need a motion in, a demand to be faced by your accuser.
[01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:05.560]  Yeah, a motion to be faced.
[01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:07.560]  I should have one somewhere.
[01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:12.560]  Have I given you the notice and demand motion, the document?
[01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:14.560]  I don't know. I don't know if you ever know.
[01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:21.560]  I think the last batch I sent you had a notice and demand in it. Make sure that goes in.
[01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:23.560]  I think there was notice and demand in there.
[01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:32.560]  That'll make them real uncomfortable. You notice them that you don't waive any rights. Did I send you a demand for speedy trial?
[01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:37.560]  You did, and I need to get that in, along with a motion to disqualify a presiding judge.
[01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:46.560]  Okay, that needs to be in. They say if you don't demand it, then you waive it. So you demand it.
[01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:52.560]  Once you've got the motions in, you force them to court.
[01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:54.560]  You can press them really hard to get an attorney.
[01:27:54.560 --> 01:28:02.560]  That's something that really needs to get overturned in the court system, that if you don't demand your right, you waive it.
[01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:10.560]  Now, you should have to actively deny it and waive it in order for it to be waived. That's ridiculous.
[01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:19.560]  That just shows how corrupted our system really is that you have to demand your rights or else they're automatically waived.
[01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:28.560]  I'm sorry. I don't think so. Our rights are inherent with us by birth. They're not automatically waived unless we speak up.
[01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:30.560]  This is what the court's saying.
[01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:39.560]  Yeah, those statutes are out there, but if you don't bring the statute down and waive it in my face, I don't have to enforce it.
[01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:42.560]  Like I said, that's something that needs to be overturned in the court system.
[01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:50.560]  They've seen just about every part of the penal code in the criminal procedure. They've seen more.
[01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:53.560]  They're having nightmares about that crap as far as I'm concerned.
[01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:57.560]  Your rights are waived unless you demand them. I don't think so.
[01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:02.560]  I'm sorry, Randy. The notice of demand goes directly to the court of my court or the district of my court?
[01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:24.560]  It goes to the issue of waiver of rights. The first thing it does is notice the court that the court shall not construe that you waive any right as you waive it in writing, in court, in writing, counsel present, free of coercion, with full disclosure.
[01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:30.560]  Yeah, and you shouldn't even have to do that. That should be the obvious.
[01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:34.560]  Yeah, I will not waive rights unless upon written discretion.
[01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:38.560]  Okay, listen, we're coming to a break. We need to go to Shane in New York.
[01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:39.560]  Okay.
[01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:40.560]  Okay.
[01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:41.560]  All right.
[01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:42.560]  Thank you, Keith.
[01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:43.560]  Thanks, Keith.
[01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:44.560]  Talk to you soon.
[01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:45.560]  Okay.
[01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:52.560]  All right, we'll be right back. We're going to speak with Shane, and after that, a call board is open, so we could squeeze in a couple more callers after that.
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[01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:32.560]  Going into the final stretch here. We've got a half an hour left here on the rule of law.
[01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:41.560]  We're going to Shane in New York. After that, the call board is open, so callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:44.560]  Shane, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.560]  Good. How are you guys doing tonight?
[01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:47.560]  Good.
[01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:50.560]  Good, good. Randy, how are you doing tonight?
[01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:52.560]  Well, I'm still here.
[01:31:52.560 --> 01:32:01.560]  That's great. I just want to let you know I have had a case going on for two years now. I've gone to numerous seminars.
[01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:11.560]  I got indicted for altering a passport application, and I pretty much denied the United States citizenship and attached affidavits of corporate denial to it.
[01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:19.560]  About three years later, they indicted me. They sent me to a psych center from January all the way until about June of 2009.
[01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:24.560]  They thought I was insane. I got out of the psych center, and they said I was competent.
[01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:37.560]  I tried to close the case back in November by doing an acceptance for value pursuant to public policy, and my case is still going on.
[01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:50.560]  I just want to see what you guys thought about Rule 4 and Rule 6 of a proper indictment, and what is a proper indictment?
[01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:56.560]  Wait a minute. I don't do federal, so I don't have Rule 4 and Rule 6 memorized.
[01:32:56.560 --> 01:33:12.560]  Yeah, well, I know, and I'm trying to understand it myself, but the whole thing is from what I've learned is I've got to have a verified affidavit, a complaint, a concurrence form, an injured party under Rule 17, a real party of interest,
[01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:23.560]  and I've been doing a lot of studying research and doing seminars, but I did follow the public policy route, and basically it was just not even looked at. It was just looked at as gibberish.
[01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:30.560]  They're trying to force commercial law into the statutory court, and they're going to ignore it.
[01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:32.560]  That's correct.
[01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:45.560]  Unless you can go into the statutory court and show where the court has a statutory duty to respond to these pleadings, they're going to ignore them.
[01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:52.560]  Okay. What is the nature of the allegation?
[01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:59.560]  It's a three-count indictment, and one is falsifying a passport application.
[01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:11.560]  The other one is false ID, which is the world passport they caught me with at the border, and my sovereign ID, they have to steal what they did in the state of Kansas.
[01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:23.560]  So I don't know how to answer your question properly, but they have come after me because I sent a complaint into the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington.
[01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:34.560]  They said I'm not supposed to contact any government agencies, and when I was in the psych center, I sent a complaint into them, and they indicted me on that when I got out of the psych center.
[01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:38.560]  Wait a minute. Indicted you for filing a complaint?
[01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:47.560]  Right. Yeah. Apparently, I didn't even know it was in there because I had a lawyer for like four months, and I never really knew the conditions.
[01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:54.560]  I sent a complaint in to them. I sent it to the IRS, and they indicted me on that, which was totally nonsense.
[01:34:54.560 --> 01:35:00.560]  Wait a minute. What the hell did they indict you for, for sending a criminal complaint?
[01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:07.560]  Wait. What was the nature of the complaint? Did you accuse him of violating rules or laws?
[01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:11.560]  Some kind of condition or whatever, but the conditioning-
[01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:16.560]  Wait. No, no. What did you accuse them of?
[01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:21.560]  Oh, boy. I don't even know where to start, but-
[01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:48.560]  Hey, that may be part of the problem. You really need to understand and be clear about what you're doing. If you just sent in a rambling accusation, then it has no merit. Did you accuse them of violating some specific law or rule?
[01:35:48.560 --> 01:36:07.560]  Yes. It's actually a very good letter that I put together. I can email it to you later, but I basically was, you know, hey, guys, I'm being, you know, raped over here. I'm being kidnapped. I'm being maliciously prosecuted. Help me out. You know, nothing.
[01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:20.560]  Okay. That's okay. By the way, Randy, they sent me to 12 different jails. They're my psych review.
[01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:25.560]  Why did it take six months to do a psychological-
[01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:46.560]  It wasn't six months. It was just under five months, but they take their time. I heard rumors that they're going to put me on diesel therapy if I don't take the plea deal, and they did exactly what they said they were going to do, and the plea deal was probation, but I wouldn't take it.
[01:36:46.560 --> 01:37:04.560]  Okay. It doesn't sound to me like you're focused. You should be able to tell me what laws they violated when and where with specificity, and you should be able to tell them that.
[01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:29.560]  If you file a complaint alleging that an official committed a specific criminal act at a specific time, and they do anything to you as a result, that falls under 18 U.S. Code 1512, I believe is the one, tampering with a witness.
[01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:48.560]  They can get 20 years for it, but if you just made vague and indistinct assertions, they mean nothing. So you need to- have you written out a complete narrative?
[01:37:48.560 --> 01:38:09.560]  Well, I don't have the letter in front of me, but I did put down 18 U.S.C. Section 1001 and also 18 U.S.C. I think it's 1506. It's called altering and falsifying court documents, and I did put some other things.
[01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:18.560]  I just can't remember all the numbers offhand, but I've been through pure hell. I'm giving you about maybe 5% of the story.
[01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:35.560]  I understand that, and that's why I'm pressing. You need to sit down and start out with an outline. This happened on this date. This happened on this date. This happened on this date.
[01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:51.560]  I have that. Okay. Now then go in and fill in the blanks between the outline, between the happenings, and look at those.
[01:38:51.560 --> 01:39:13.560]  This thing of holding someone for five months to determine if he is competent, what authorizes them to hold you to make a competency determination? What evidence must they have?
[01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:30.560]  I don't know what kind of evidence they need. Some of the statements are said in court. You really need to know that, and I'm going to suggest you could go sit in a law library for two hours and you would know that.
[01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:44.560]  These are the problems you're having. On each thing that they do, you need to say, okay, they did this. Where did they get the authority?
[01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:53.560]  What specifically gives them that authority? What case lawyer is there surrounding that? You can actually search out relatively quickly.
[01:39:53.560 --> 01:40:04.560]  Ninety percent of it you can do right on the Internet just by asking a focused question, and that's why you want to get a good, clear narrative.
[01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:18.560]  First, a good comprehensive outline. They did this thing under what authority did they do each one of those things, and if you can't find the authority, then challenge them.
[01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:37.560]  Accused them of violating law, of acting under color law, but accused them specifically in the federal court. It's 18 U.S. Code 242. State that very specifically they committed this criminal act on this day based on these facts.
[01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:46.560]  They come back after you for that. That's tampering with the witness.
[01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:54.560]  You need to have those find out. You've been around a long time, so there's going to be a lot of things.
[01:40:54.560 --> 01:41:10.560]  I suspect with the nature of what you're charged with, they sound like horse manure, did you change your birth name on the passport?
[01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:25.560]  No, I added an affidavit of corporate denial and told them I was an American, not a U.S. citizen, and I basically just had recorded documents that I did down in Florida, and I got a lot of seminars.
[01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:28.560]  Wait a minute. Stay with my question.
[01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:30.560]  Sure.
[01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:41.560]  I'm going to the nature of the alleged falsification. So you didn't falsify your personal identity?
[01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:42.560]  No.
[01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:54.560]  If they looked at that document or a document prepared precisely the way they would want it prepared, would they go find a different person?
[01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:55.560]  No.
[01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:58.560]  Then they don't have a case.
[01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:03.560]  Well, they're telling me that I am a U.S. citizen. I'm saying, no, I'm not a U.S. citizen.
[01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:06.560]  No, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So what?
[01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:07.560]  Yeah.
[01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.560]  What difference does it make?
[01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:17.560]  Well, Randy, you're right, but that's why I mentioned Rule 17. It says, okay, if I am a U.S. citizen, then produce the rule of party of interest.
[01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:22.560]  Who has a complaint against me? And they won't answer that, and it was denied.
[01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:36.560]  Okay. I get this a lot. There's been so much going on here. You don't know what to tell me so that I understand what's going on here.
[01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:44.560]  If I mention something, then you go somewhere and give me a piece of information, and then I mention something else, and you go somewhere else and give me a piece of information.
[01:42:44.560 --> 01:43:01.560]  I need this kind of organized. I mean, you need it organized. You need a real clear understanding of how you move from each point to the next point.
[01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:10.560]  That's the only way you're going to be able to adjudicate this effectively. It doesn't sound like they have a case at all.
[01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:22.560]  Well, you know, I'm trying to spill out maybe five hours of information in ten minutes that I have with you, I guess, but it's just like there's so much I want to tell you, and that's why I'm jumping around. Sorry about that.
[01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:32.560]  First thing you have to tell me is what you're going to tell me. This happened, this happened, this happened, this happened. Real briefly, kind of the flow of events.
[01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:43.560]  Okay, listen. Yeah, listen, we're going to break now. We only have one more segment left. Shane, maybe you could call in tomorrow night because we need to go to Tim for the next segment, okay?
[01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:52.560]  Thank you. Okay, thank you. All right. All right. Sorry, we have to be considerate to the other callers.
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[01:45:54.560 --> 01:46:00.560]  Okay. We are back. We're going now to Tim in Texas.
[01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:02.560]  Good evening. How are you doing tonight?
[01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:06.560]  Hey, Tim. Good. Thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? Final segment.
[01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:13.560]  First off, I just want to say I've been following what Shane's been talking about for some time on the other call that he's been on.
[01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:17.560]  I mean, this guy's been through hell, so I'm hoping that maybe tomorrow night you guys can help him out.
[01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:19.560]  That would be a good thing.
[01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:27.560]  Anyways, just want to let you know, I went down to the municipal court two weeks ago with someone on a traffic ticket
[01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:31.560]  and had an interesting experience I wanted to share.
[01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:38.560]  This was in Houston, municipal court, and we basically went down to file that motion that I sent to you and Eddie
[01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:46.560]  about the challenge to personal jurisdiction for lack of administrative hearing.
[01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:57.560]  They tried to get her to enter a plea multiple times and they were refusing to take the document and file it in the case.
[01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:03.560]  We got bounced around from the city attorney's office to the clerk, back to the city attorney's office,
[01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:10.560]  back to the clerk in the courtroom several times, and we finally did get a filed in the case,
[01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:15.560]  but we got her for almost two hours getting bounced around.
[01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:21.560]  So anyway, now it's my understanding that because this is filed under special appearance,
[01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:30.560]  that does that constitute an appearance, and this was done in advance of the hearing, which is Saturday.
[01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:33.560]  That's the coordinated Saturday.
[01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:42.560]  It constitutes a hearing for the purpose of bond.
[01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:43.560]  Okay.
[01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:47.560]  On your signature, promise to appear.
[01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:52.560]  It only constitutes an appearance in accordance with your promise.
[01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:59.560]  It does not constitute an appearance for the purpose of yielding to the jurisdiction.
[01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:02.560]  This is a special appearance, but it is an appearance, yes.
[01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:03.560]  Okay.
[01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:12.560]  So in that case there, if this person has no way that they can actually make it to the hearing on Saturday,
[01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:16.560]  what are the chances that the judge might issue a warrant?
[01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:18.560]  Probably about 90 percent.
[01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:19.560]  Okay.
[01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:21.560]  Especially if you give them a hard time.
[01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:25.560]  If they get any shot at you, they're going to take that shot at you.
[01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:27.560]  Yeah.
[01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:31.560]  Well, it's kind of difficult because, I mean, it's not my butt on the line.
[01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:35.560]  I mean, if it was mine, I'd be filing all the books as I can and everything,
[01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:41.560]  but it's kind of a difficult situation because, you know, this friend is not really that knowledgeable
[01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:46.560]  in this stuff and got three tickets for one a month.
[01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:47.560]  It was crazy.
[01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:50.560]  Well, anyways, that was really, I just wanted to double-check on that.
[01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:55.560]  I got with Eddie on Skype the other night where he spent some time with me going over this stuff,
[01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:57.560]  so I think it's all I need on that.
[01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:04.560]  Well, the other question I have, kind of switching gears, it has to do with banks and credit unions.
[01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:09.560]  Now, I don't know if you've ever heard of, under the Texas Finance Code,
[01:49:09.560 --> 01:49:15.560]  the citation, I believe, is 342.545,
[01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:23.560]  and it basically says that the lender must return the note to the borrower once the note's been paid off.
[01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:25.560]  I don't know if you've ever heard of that.
[01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:28.560]  No, but it sounds reasonable.
[01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:29.560]  Okay.
[01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:36.560]  Well, the main question here is, is a credit union for any reason exempt from that rule
[01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:39.560]  just because they're a credit union and not a bank, per se?
[01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:40.560]  No.
[01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:43.560]  Go ahead.
[01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:48.560]  That's just standard finance.
[01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:56.560]  If you have a note which establishes a color on title to my property,
[01:49:56.560 --> 01:50:02.560]  once I've satisfied the note, I certainly don't want that note floating around out there.
[01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:07.560]  I will cease to amount it back.
[01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:12.560]  And the reason this whole thing came up is because Ryan was trying to get his note from,
[01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.560]  I think it was from Countrywide, and they weren't producing it,
[01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:20.560]  and he was going to charge them rent for the deposit.
[01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:29.560]  So I checked my records, and I found that I received one of the original notes back from a bank that I had a car loan with,
[01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:34.560]  and then I called the credit union, which I've had, I think, two or three with them,
[01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:36.560]  and I never got a note back.
[01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:40.560]  So I called them, and I asked them, what did they do with that note?
[01:50:40.560 --> 01:50:44.560]  And they said they shredded it soon after the note was taken out,
[01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:48.560]  and they got it scanned and put in their system.
[01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:54.560]  And so I questioned that and said, well, you know, aren't you, you know,
[01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:59.560]  I quoted the section of the code, the finance code that says that they're required to return it,
[01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:04.560]  and they said that they couldn't do that because they didn't have enough staff.
[01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:07.560]  Their problem, not your problem.
[01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:08.560]  Yeah.
[01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:10.560]  Okay, question.
[01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:11.560]  Sure.
[01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:20.560]  How are you harmed by this such that you would have standing to raise issue in a court
[01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:25.560]  beyond the fact that a statute was violated?
[01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:26.560]  I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.
[01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:28.560]  Go ahead.
[01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:34.560]  Well, I was going to say, I didn't receive back that remainder of the property that I submitted
[01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:41.560]  when I took out the note and was lawfully required to receive it when it was paid off.
[01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:45.560]  Could that be considered harm?
[01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:51.560]  I'm trying to think. This is just a note which is a claim on the property.
[01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:59.560]  So as far as you're concerned, the potential claim against the property still exists.
[01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:01.560]  Okay.
[01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:06.560]  I mean, I got the certificate of title when it was paid off, but we all know what that's for.
[01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:12.560]  But, I mean, it's more or less I'm just trying to yank the chain a bit, you know,
[01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:18.560]  and practice some of these things that I've learned and try to see if I can get them to do what I want them to do, you know.
[01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:28.560]  In the code, in the Texas Finance Code, does it prescribe a fine for a violation of the code?
[01:52:28.560 --> 01:52:31.560]  Good question. I need to hunt that down.
[01:52:31.560 --> 01:52:44.560]  And if it does, then demand from them harm in the amount of triple the amount of the violation of the code
[01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:54.560]  that the legislature has determined that a violation of this code causes harm and it causes harm in this statutory amount.
[01:52:54.560 --> 01:53:01.560]  And since harm was caused against you under fraud, you asked for it in trouble.
[01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:03.560]  Yeah.
[01:53:03.560 --> 01:53:07.560]  And that should be interesting to see how they handle that.
[01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:09.560]  Okay.
[01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:10.560]  All right.
[01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:17.560]  And I also sent off an email to my representative asking him if there's the tone.
[01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:18.560]  I said, search for several days.
[01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:22.560]  I couldn't find any way that a credit union would be exempt from that code.
[01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:26.560]  Wait a minute. Do you have any other loans with this credit union?
[01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.560]  No. No debt.
[01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:32.560]  Then you might want to get you one.
[01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:35.560]  Ooh.
[01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:47.560]  How can they forcibly collect on a note if they don't have one?
[01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:50.560]  Brilliant. That's brilliant.
[01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:53.560]  Well, we got this computer image.
[01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:57.560]  I said, well, I got a computer image of a $10,000 bill.
[01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:01.560]  You want to take that?
[01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:02.560]  All right.
[01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.560]  Well, that's really all I wanted to go over today.
[01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:09.560]  But I'll check that for violations there and we'll see how things go in court on Saturday.
[01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:11.560]  Good. Good. Thanks.
[01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:22.560]  And I asked to Texas administrative code. Have you looked at that? I haven't talked to Eddie about it.
[01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:28.560]  I know I have a friend in Pennsylvania who's real big on the administrative code.
[01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:31.560]  And he says all the states have it.
[01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:45.560]  And it requires an administrative hearing before a criminal prosecution. Is that in the code in Texas? And if so, where would I look?
[01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:47.560]  Not sure.
[01:54:47.560 --> 01:55:01.560]  OK, I'll talk to Jeff Soder. He's in Pennsylvania and he really pushes the Texas administrative code, but it seems to take more precedence in some states than others.
[01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:14.560]  I've never heard reference to it in this regard, but I would sure like to see that because in Pennsylvania, they absolutely have to have an administrative hearing first.
[01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:21.560]  And this is with the highway patrol there. You have an administrative hearing with the highway patrol.
[01:55:21.560 --> 01:55:24.560]  And their people, you know, they use it just kind of as a song and dance.
[01:55:24.560 --> 01:55:29.560]  And that's because most people really don't know what the rules are.
[01:55:29.560 --> 01:55:37.560]  But he goes into those administrative hearings knowing the rules and really gets opportunity to jerk them around.
[01:55:37.560 --> 01:55:45.560]  So for him, it's turned out to be a real good opportunity to get rid of these citations before they get serious.
[01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:47.560]  Right.
[01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:51.560]  And generally give them a lot of grief.
[01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:56.560]  OK, well, thank you and kind of keep us up to date on how this shakes out.
[01:55:56.560 --> 01:56:05.560]  OK. Also, I sent you an email with a transcription from Larry Bradshaw's show with images from that document.
[01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:10.560]  So if you haven't looked at that, you said on the show that it was hard to follow all the numbers.
[01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:16.560]  So I put this together for my benefit as well as yours, and I sent it to Eddie, too, in the hopes that we can look at that.
[01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:22.560]  And I also was trying to find out if there's any way I could funnel some questions through to Larry.
[01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:27.560]  I tried to contact him through the Web site with Cornforth, but I couldn't find him.
[01:56:27.560 --> 01:56:31.560]  I will get a hold of Jeff. I got your email on that.
[01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:36.560]  I will talk to Jeff about it and find out how to get to him directly, Jeff knows.
[01:56:36.560 --> 01:56:39.560]  And I will forward your email to him.
[01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:40.560]  Great.
[01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:42.560]  That's generally how I handle these.
[01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:48.560]  If you want to be gotten in contact with someone that's been on the show or somebody I know, send me an email.
[01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:52.560]  I forward the email to them, and then they can respond if they want to.
[01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:54.560]  That's the protocol I followed.
[01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:56.560]  OK, good.
[01:56:56.560 --> 01:57:00.560]  And, Deborah, I like the new format. This is much more relaxed.
[01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:02.560]  Oh, OK.
[01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:06.560]  With the 15-minute segment, that's really great.
[01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:10.560]  Anyway, thanks, y'all, for the help, and I'll get off. I'm going to good night now.
[01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.560]  OK, thank you.
[01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:14.560]  All right, bye-bye.
[01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:18.560]  OK, well, I guess that about wraps it up. We only have a minute left.
[01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.560]  So, in closing, just want to remind everyone of the seminar again.
[01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:26.560]  If you all have interest in the webinar, please email me,
[01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:36.560]  because, like I said, I've only gotten one email so far after many emails and many calls demanding the webinar.
[01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:41.560]  Now we've only got one person who's seriously interested, so people need to let me know as soon as possible
[01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:47.560]  if you guys are really serious about doing it, because I do have to, you know,
[01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:50.560]  it's an extensive, considerable setup to do something like that,
[01:57:50.560 --> 01:57:56.560]  and so I need to make sure we're going to have interest before I commit to doing that, you know,
[01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:58.560]  and hiring people that need to be hired to do that.
[01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:01.560]  So let me know if y'all want to do the webinar for real.
[01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:08.560]  I think it's a great deal, because many people will, you know, y'all can share the costs, and you don't have to travel.
[01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:16.560]  And in the meantime, stay tuned for Endless Fraud Detection, Steve Skidmore and Neal Switkowski coming up next,
[01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:20.560]  and we'll be back tomorrow night at 8 p.m. Central Time.
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