ROL_2009-09-21_16k.timecode

[00:10.160 --> 00:13.280]  to a record 1701 murders.
[00:13.280 --> 00:21.040]  8,500 Mexican soldiers deployed in the city have failed to stop violence between two drug cartels.
[00:21.040 --> 00:25.840]  Capital punishment has been effectively scrapped in Japan with the appointment of a left-wing
[00:25.840 --> 00:30.640]  justice minister who is an outspoken opponent of secret executions.
[00:30.640 --> 00:36.400]  Japan is the only industrialized democracy apart from the U.S. with capital punishment.
[00:36.400 --> 00:42.080]  The EU is developing a surveillance system critics describe as Orwellian that would collate
[00:42.080 --> 00:50.800]  data from surveillance cameras and personal computers to detect abnormal behavior.
[00:50.800 --> 00:57.360]  Pittsburgh is beefing up security with thousands of extra police as anti-globalization, anti-war,
[00:57.360 --> 01:04.560]  anti-government and anti-poverty activists descend on the city for the G20 summit Thursday and Friday.
[01:04.560 --> 01:10.240]  Protesters say they plan to air their opposition to the undemocratic way the G20 operates
[01:10.240 --> 01:15.440]  and the decisions the group makes which affect the more than six billion inhabitants of this planet.
[01:15.440 --> 01:22.560]  Mayor Luke Ravenstal says protesters will be allowed to exercise their constitutional freedom
[01:22.560 --> 01:26.960]  of speech and assembly within sight and sound of the summit venue.
[01:26.960 --> 01:37.840]  Ravenstal has also called in 4,000 federal police officers to back up local security forces
[01:37.840 --> 01:40.080]  at a cost of $18 million.
[01:40.080 --> 01:45.600]  The G20 comprises the G7 plus the EU and other leading world economies.
[01:48.400 --> 01:52.960]  Investigators have uncovered documents exposing an international drug ring
[01:52.960 --> 01:59.040]  operating from New York City behind the swine flu fright and vaccination preparations.
[01:59.040 --> 02:04.720]  Dr Leonard Horowitz and investigative journalist Sherry Kane have released evidence in legal
[02:04.720 --> 02:10.800]  affidavits that leaders of a private biotechnology trust are behind the pandemic flu.
[02:10.800 --> 02:17.200]  The Horowitz-Kane documents sent to the FBI last week provide evidence of industrialists
[02:17.200 --> 02:23.200]  in the partnership for New York City are behind the pandemic's creation, media persuasions,
[02:23.200 --> 02:26.960]  vaccination preparations and health official promotions.
[02:26.960 --> 02:33.120]  Dr Horowitz wrote, David Rockefeller's trust that engages powerful partners on Wall Street,
[02:33.120 --> 02:39.600]  including media moguls Rupert Murdoch, Morton Zuckerman, Thomas Glosar and former chairman
[02:39.600 --> 02:44.000]  of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Jerry Speyer,
[02:44.000 --> 02:46.240]  are implicated in global genocide.
[02:46.880 --> 02:53.440]  Other revelations link Larry Silverstein, Lisa of the World Trade Center and a chief suspect
[02:53.440 --> 03:04.080]  in the 9-11 Truth investigation who is landlord and co-partner in the Rockefeller trust.
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[03:56.160 --> 04:02.240]  when you were eight and you had bad traits you go to school and learn the golden rule so why
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[05:08.040 --> 05:14.720]  We've got Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, of course, and I have a very special
[05:14.720 --> 05:15.960]  guest tonight.
[05:15.960 --> 05:20.720]  One of our hosts, one of our newest hosts, actually been on the air for a few months
[05:20.720 --> 05:28.120]  now, Gary Johnson of the show Live and Let Live, hadn't had a chance to really accurately
[05:28.120 --> 05:30.760]  or adequately promote his show.
[05:30.760 --> 05:37.080]  Gary Johnson's been a broadcaster for 20 years on Cable Access here in Austin.
[05:37.080 --> 05:38.920]  He does a libertarian show.
[05:38.920 --> 05:44.320]  He's got great guests, got an excellent show, and he had me on last night for a few minutes.
[05:44.320 --> 05:53.240]  So we're having him on tonight, we're gonna talk about this FCC issue and regulating the
[05:53.240 --> 05:54.240]  internet.
[05:54.240 --> 06:02.200]  I got an email over the weekend about this FCC hearing that was this morning here in
[06:02.200 --> 06:07.960]  Austin regarding providing internet service and regulating the internet and stuff, and
[06:07.960 --> 06:09.680]  we're like, what is going on here?
[06:09.680 --> 06:16.000]  And so it turns out this was one of only three scheduled national public broadband field
[06:16.000 --> 06:17.880]  hearings by the FCC.
[06:17.880 --> 06:19.200]  Today was the first one.
[06:19.200 --> 06:23.520]  We're gonna have one in Washington, D.C., and then another one in South Carolina.
[06:23.520 --> 06:31.760]  And so we wanted to find out what is going on here, because obviously, you know, it's
[06:31.760 --> 06:37.760]  looking like the FCC, the government, they want to get their claws dug into the internet.
[06:37.760 --> 06:41.400]  And we've heard for a long time, oh, the government's gonna take over the internet.
[06:41.400 --> 06:42.400]  They're gonna regulate.
[06:42.400 --> 06:44.080]  Well, how can they do that anyway?
[06:44.080 --> 06:50.200]  Well, we found out today just what their evil plans are.
[06:50.200 --> 06:57.320]  This is how the government is going to try to take over and control the internet.
[06:57.320 --> 07:01.160]  They are gonna be an internet service provider.
[07:01.160 --> 07:10.280]  It looks like a series of private-public partnerships between major infrastructure companies and
[07:10.280 --> 07:12.520]  the FCC.
[07:12.520 --> 07:18.720]  They're going to provide a service, and this is all part of a government plan, the national
[07:18.720 --> 07:20.960]  broadband plan.
[07:20.960 --> 07:24.680]  And the sad part is that this has already done deal, folks.
[07:24.680 --> 07:28.800]  The kind of public hearing that was today, I don't even know why they called it a public
[07:28.800 --> 07:29.800]  hearing.
[07:29.800 --> 07:33.880]  They basically did not want any public input at all.
[07:33.880 --> 07:35.800]  They wouldn't let any of us speak.
[07:35.800 --> 07:40.240]  They didn't have any chance for people to get up and make comments or ask questions.
[07:40.240 --> 07:47.920]  You could write a question down on a three-by-five card, and these questions were highly censored,
[07:47.920 --> 07:49.200]  as Gary will tell you.
[07:49.200 --> 07:55.200]  He submitted a question, and they changed the wording of his question when the representative
[07:55.200 --> 07:58.300]  from the FCC was asking his question.
[07:58.300 --> 08:03.360]  So at any rate, we found out that the reason that they weren't accepting any public input,
[08:03.360 --> 08:08.160]  really, basically whatsoever, is because it's a done deal.
[08:08.160 --> 08:17.060]  They passed a law in February of this year, part of Obama's stimulus package, basically
[08:17.060 --> 08:25.080]  to implement this national broadband plan, which is going to be wireless internet all
[08:25.080 --> 08:28.680]  over the nation for everyone.
[08:28.680 --> 08:32.680]  And it's going to be an ISP that is the government.
[08:32.680 --> 08:38.200]  And so it looks like what their big evil plan is, is they are going to start, the government
[08:38.200 --> 08:46.400]  is going to start broadcasting internet, basically set up giant nodes, towers, you know, like
[08:46.400 --> 08:51.520]  if you go to a coffee shop and they'll have a powerful Wi-Fi antenna, well, that's what
[08:51.520 --> 08:52.680]  they're going to do.
[08:52.680 --> 08:57.760]  They're going to make wireless, like giant wireless towers, like radio towers.
[08:57.760 --> 09:03.320]  They're going to use radio frequencies and have a big powerful antenna where you can
[09:03.320 --> 09:10.400]  like wirelessly access the internet on this antenna from like a 10 mile radius.
[09:10.400 --> 09:13.200]  And that's how they're going to control the content.
[09:13.200 --> 09:17.080]  That's how they're going to get everything off of your computer.
[09:17.080 --> 09:20.760]  And of course, there's going to be strings attached and all these things.
[09:20.760 --> 09:26.760]  And so the government's going to be this big ISP that's going to be wireless internet.
[09:26.760 --> 09:35.520]  And they're going to make it so cheap, possibly even free, that basically they're going to
[09:35.520 --> 09:40.600]  put all the other ISPs out of business unless they play along.
[09:40.600 --> 09:46.880]  And the way that they're, even the hardware manufacturers, like the gentleman representing
[09:46.880 --> 09:53.160]  from Dell today was showing the laptop of the future, they're doing away with all hard
[09:53.160 --> 09:59.720]  wire stuff, no more ethernet, no more routers, all these kinds of things that your computers
[09:59.720 --> 10:04.400]  are going to wirelessly talk to each other in the next room, how they're going to set
[10:04.400 --> 10:05.400]  up networking.
[10:05.400 --> 10:06.400]  Okay.
[10:06.400 --> 10:07.400]  So they're changing.
[10:07.400 --> 10:11.400]  They're going to be changing the whole way that the computers are designed to get rid
[10:11.400 --> 10:22.480]  of the hard wire connection so that they want to do away with cable, internet, DSL, any
[10:22.480 --> 10:30.560]  kind of hard wire way of providing internet so that the only way you'll be able to get
[10:30.560 --> 10:36.800]  online is through one of these wireless access nodes provided by guess who?
[10:36.800 --> 10:44.180]  The government, the government can provide you with access to the wireless internet and
[10:44.180 --> 10:45.800]  control your whole scene.
[10:45.800 --> 10:46.800]  All right.
[10:46.800 --> 10:49.880]  That's what their big evil plan is.
[10:49.880 --> 10:55.520]  And so it's kind of a very scary thing.
[10:55.520 --> 10:58.720]  I don't know how we can stop it because basically it's like a done deal.
[10:58.720 --> 11:02.520]  The law has already been passed in February.
[11:02.520 --> 11:06.720]  And so basically what was going on today is they're just talking about how they're going
[11:06.720 --> 11:08.920]  to do it.
[11:08.920 --> 11:15.040]  And I did happen to see an article on what really happened.com.
[11:15.040 --> 11:20.520]  This is Michael Rivera talking about an autonomous internet.
[11:20.520 --> 11:28.280]  There's a movement going on now to educate people basically how to set up their own access
[11:28.280 --> 11:30.560]  nodes to the internet.
[11:30.560 --> 11:34.600]  Basically the kind of thing that the FCC and these corporations are talking about doing
[11:34.600 --> 11:41.920]  on a large scale basis, like having one giant powerful tower for people to access the internet
[11:41.920 --> 11:45.160]  for radius of like 10 miles or whatever.
[11:45.160 --> 11:53.560]  Instead of that, having people basically get their, have someone to get your own DNS server.
[11:53.560 --> 11:54.640]  Okay.
[11:54.640 --> 12:00.240]  And hopefully at a data center someplace so that you get tapped right to portal to get
[12:00.240 --> 12:03.040]  tapped right directly into the internet.
[12:03.040 --> 12:13.520]  And then set up your own little wireless nodes, low power wireless nodes and set up a small
[12:13.520 --> 12:22.840]  closed network, wireless network like in your own community, like maybe on your own block.
[12:22.840 --> 12:29.520]  And so that your neighbors, your friends, you set up your own access point node to tap
[12:29.520 --> 12:36.680]  directly into the internet through your DNS server, get a different name server too.
[12:36.680 --> 12:41.160]  So you totally bypass all the internet service providers.
[12:41.160 --> 12:49.160]  And so it looks to me like what the solution could be is by basically working on a small
[12:49.160 --> 12:55.840]  scale and having on a community by community basis, neighborhood by neighborhood basis,
[12:55.840 --> 13:02.240]  even on a block by block basis, set up the small wireless closed.
[13:02.240 --> 13:07.000]  Now they won't be like, you can't make it like a hotspot, you know, like a coffee house
[13:07.000 --> 13:14.240]  or something because you know, you don't really want to let anybody have access to the internet
[13:14.240 --> 13:19.720]  through your DNS server because if somebody commits crimes, you know, uploads poor child
[13:19.720 --> 13:24.800]  porn and stuff like that, then they're going to come after whoever is in, is in control
[13:24.800 --> 13:25.800]  of that server.
[13:25.800 --> 13:26.800]  Okay.
[13:26.800 --> 13:32.240]  So this is, this is for a community, for a neighborhood to be able to basically tap directly
[13:32.240 --> 13:38.880]  into the internet without having to go through an ISP.
[13:38.880 --> 13:44.320]  And so if we get enough people doing this on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis, we'll
[13:44.320 --> 13:52.320]  basically, we'll be able to take back total control of our internet without the government
[13:52.320 --> 13:56.000]  or the corporations being able to do anything about it.
[13:56.000 --> 14:02.200]  So you know, it's not going to be an easy thing to set up wireless access points like
[14:02.200 --> 14:07.720]  that and manage them and such, but you know, we're going to have to educate ourselves about
[14:07.720 --> 14:14.640]  DNS servers and name servers and how to deal with all these internet protocols and such.
[14:14.640 --> 14:21.360]  If we want to keep control of our internet, because right now it looks like the government
[14:21.360 --> 14:27.400]  is planning on basically taking over by becoming the biggest, cheapest ISP that's going to
[14:27.400 --> 14:29.360]  offer the best service.
[14:29.360 --> 14:36.800]  And since, guess what people, since it's on the airwaves, that's how the FCC is going
[14:36.800 --> 14:42.360]  to be able to come in and regulate it, or at least that's how they're going to try to.
[14:42.360 --> 14:46.520]  I mean, from research, Randy and I have done, it looks to us like the FCC doesn't really
[14:46.520 --> 14:48.880]  have jurisdiction to regulate the airwaves anyway.
[14:48.880 --> 14:49.880]  That's another story.
[14:49.880 --> 14:54.320]  At any rate, that looks like to me what the big evil plan is.
[14:54.320 --> 14:58.480]  So Gary, thank you for sitting through my rant.
[14:58.480 --> 14:59.480]  What do you think about this?
[14:59.480 --> 15:01.400]  What, what is your take on all of this?
[15:01.400 --> 15:04.000]  You know, you were taking notes today and you got there a little sooner than, earlier
[15:04.000 --> 15:05.000]  than us.
[15:05.000 --> 15:10.400]  Well, I think, you know, the thing that amazed me, you already said this Debra, is that this
[15:10.400 --> 15:17.240]  was billed as a hearing and as you said, there wasn't any hearing and basically they had
[15:17.240 --> 15:20.000]  these two panel discussions.
[15:20.000 --> 15:29.400]  They were both moderated by the FCC commissioner, Meredith A. Baker, who was recently appointed
[15:29.400 --> 15:33.840]  by Barack, President Obama.
[15:33.840 --> 15:39.400]  I think there are five people on the commission and it's very partisan.
[15:39.400 --> 15:45.240]  It's like, it has to be three members, has to be the member of the political party that
[15:45.240 --> 15:46.400]  is in the White House.
[15:46.400 --> 15:49.480]  So there are three Democrats right now, there used to be three Republicans.
[15:49.480 --> 15:55.960]  The other two members are the other party and she actually is a Republican, but she's
[15:55.960 --> 15:58.120]  appointed by Barack Obama.
[15:58.120 --> 16:03.200]  She moderated these two panel discussions and they basically, each panel had, I think
[16:03.200 --> 16:08.920]  about six or seven people on it and they just kind of droned on and on about their particular
[16:08.920 --> 16:15.360]  interests, which mostly seemed to be getting money from the stimulus plan.
[16:15.360 --> 16:20.880]  That's what was passed in February was the big stimulus plan and there's money in there
[16:20.880 --> 16:30.520]  for this national broadband plan, including money to provide broadband in rural areas,
[16:30.520 --> 16:35.680]  where it's right now not economically feasible.
[16:35.680 --> 16:42.360]  She basically, as you moderated this thing, people got to ask questions by writing them
[16:42.360 --> 16:49.000]  on a card and it'd be interesting to have somebody study the body language of Ms. Baker
[16:49.000 --> 16:55.120]  because she, I don't think she liked the questions because she didn't ask most of them.
[16:55.120 --> 17:00.560]  She had a whole stack of cards, but she acted like she ran out of questions and she didn't
[17:00.560 --> 17:03.080]  really ask a lot of the questions.
[17:03.080 --> 17:08.080]  I did submit a question, as you said, and she said, and she, my question was the first
[17:08.080 --> 17:12.360]  one she asked, but she did edit it a great deal.
[17:12.360 --> 17:24.120]  I asked, how can we, the people, stop you from wasting our money on these panel discussions,
[17:24.120 --> 17:30.920]  from redistributing, quote, other people's money, unquote, to these lobbyists, from interfering
[17:30.920 --> 17:36.040]  with freedom of the press, from micromanaging broadband, and how can we make you get out
[17:36.040 --> 17:37.040]  of the way?
[17:37.040 --> 17:43.440]  And she just changed that to how can we get out of the way because, and then, of course,
[17:43.440 --> 17:49.480]  there are some people on these panels who were industry people and, of course, actually,
[17:49.480 --> 17:56.160]  they all talk very technical about things that, you know, about different spectrum and
[17:56.160 --> 17:57.160]  so forth.
[17:57.160 --> 18:01.520]  So it was like, for most of us, it was like, who cares what these people are saying?
[18:01.520 --> 18:04.960]  I should point out the room was full of people.
[18:04.960 --> 18:10.440]  It was a big crowd, and I assume that nearly all the people in the room were lobbyists
[18:10.440 --> 18:11.440]  who were talking too much.
[18:11.440 --> 18:18.760]  I would say, yeah, yeah, it is very odd that the room was full, but they only released
[18:18.760 --> 18:22.720]  the press release for this so-called public hearing last Wednesday.
[18:22.720 --> 18:27.220]  I mean, we just caught wind of it over the weekend, and all these people were obviously
[18:27.220 --> 18:28.220]  big business people.
[18:28.220 --> 18:32.160]  They all had suits and ties and everything, and they were just highly interested in what
[18:32.160 --> 18:33.160]  these panelists.
[18:33.160 --> 18:39.960]  And, yeah, all the panelists represented some sector of the communications business and
[18:39.960 --> 18:45.280]  how they're all getting together to make this big new plan happen.
[18:45.280 --> 18:50.920]  And see, there was some of us, you know, from the Patriot community here in Austin that
[18:50.920 --> 18:57.480]  found out about this over the weekend, and, you know, I ran a PSA and everything, and,
[18:57.480 --> 19:02.260]  you know, just starting last night because we just found out about it yesterday afternoon.
[19:02.260 --> 19:06.880]  And so, yeah, she was not wanting to read our questions.
[19:06.880 --> 19:07.880]  That's for sure.
[19:07.880 --> 19:14.520]  And, see, our questions weren't directed at the panelists of people that were representing
[19:14.520 --> 19:16.040]  the private industry.
[19:16.040 --> 19:18.920]  We were directing our questions at her.
[19:18.920 --> 19:24.680]  We wanted her to answer the questions, but that's not how this whole thing was set up.
[19:24.680 --> 19:34.560]  It was set up basically like the FCC is rolling out the red carpet for these industries for
[19:34.560 --> 19:39.600]  them to set this whole infrastructure up, and the whole panel discussion and the whole
[19:39.600 --> 19:45.280]  nature of the questions was for people to ask the experts, the panelists questions.
[19:45.280 --> 19:49.240]  Well, I really don't care how they plan on doing this.
[19:49.240 --> 19:54.000]  I wanted to ask her things, and like Gary, you know, I believe your question was basically
[19:54.000 --> 19:55.680]  more targeted towards her.
[19:55.680 --> 20:00.760]  Like how are we going to stop you, the government, the FCC, from pulling this crap and allowing
[20:00.760 --> 20:01.760]  this?
[20:01.760 --> 20:07.400]  And so, when she read Gary's question, you know, she basically shortened it to asking
[20:07.400 --> 20:14.200]  the panelists, how can we, the FCC, basically stay out of you guys' way for y'all to do
[20:14.200 --> 20:15.200]  this, you know?
[20:15.200 --> 20:19.200]  And, I mean, this definitely was an FCC public hearing of a sort.
[20:19.200 --> 20:20.200]  They just weren't taking public input.
[20:20.200 --> 20:23.200]  I mean, I don't even know why they call it a hearing.
[20:23.200 --> 20:26.600]  It was more like a, you know, presentation more than anything.
[20:26.600 --> 20:32.720]  And so, you've got all these people representing private businesses, but they're sitting at
[20:32.720 --> 20:42.000]  a big table, and there's a giant, you know, lettering and sign and insignia, Federal Communications
[20:42.000 --> 20:48.800]  Commission on this table, but yet these people work for private industry.
[20:48.800 --> 20:52.840]  And I'm like, okay, something's wrong with this picture, okay?
[20:52.840 --> 20:54.380]  This guy's from AT&T.
[20:54.380 --> 21:00.520]  This other guy's a professor at UT that's been studying wireless, you know, access points
[21:00.520 --> 21:01.800]  and on and on and on.
[21:01.800 --> 21:08.540]  So why are they, like, sitting at this table, and it's like, it says giant FCC on it?
[21:08.540 --> 21:11.560]  You guys are not the FCC, y'all are private business.
[21:11.560 --> 21:17.120]  And then you've got this woman here, appointed by Obama, who's, you know, just like basically,
[21:17.120 --> 21:21.880]  oh yes, this is wonderful, why don't you guys want, I mean, and they're talking overtly
[21:21.880 --> 21:28.800]  about private-public, the whole thing's private-public partnership, you know, so yeah, anyway, go
[21:28.800 --> 21:30.760]  ahead, Gary, you know.
[21:30.760 --> 21:35.160]  Well, yeah, and you know, they all want the money, the stimulus money, and this is just
[21:35.160 --> 21:36.360]  the beginning.
[21:36.360 --> 21:39.800]  So that's, you know, that's their interest in all of this.
[21:39.800 --> 21:44.080]  There were some things that came up that I thought were just sort of mentioned that seemed
[21:44.080 --> 21:45.560]  ominous.
[21:45.560 --> 21:49.960]  One of the panelists, I forgot which one's talked a lot about the smart grid, which is
[21:49.960 --> 21:55.680]  controlling your metering and monitoring your electricity use.
[21:55.680 --> 21:59.520]  One of the things they said a lot about was mapping the broadband.
[21:59.520 --> 22:06.840]  So they want to have a big map showing where all the broadband signals are right now.
[22:06.840 --> 22:12.080]  And one guy pointed out that the United Nations also set some of these standards.
[22:12.080 --> 22:16.800]  One person, I want to disagree with you about one thing, Debra, you say it's a done deal.
[22:16.800 --> 22:19.120]  I'm not so sure it is a done deal.
[22:19.120 --> 22:24.720]  I know that the stimulus money is a done deal, but they are literally writing up a plan.
[22:24.720 --> 22:33.020]  And so I think the plan itself is not a done deal, even though it's not open to the public.
[22:33.020 --> 22:36.360]  But I think it's still possible for us to influence them.
[22:36.360 --> 22:37.720]  Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
[22:37.720 --> 22:42.500]  It's like the plan, the details of the plan itself are not a done deal.
[22:42.500 --> 22:52.080]  But the fact that the funding is there to make this quote, national broadband plan happen,
[22:52.080 --> 22:54.440]  I mean, that part has been passed already.
[22:54.440 --> 22:57.960]  And so now they're just trying to figure out how they're going to do it.
[22:57.960 --> 23:03.280]  And all those people in that room, I mean, you could tell they attended that hearing
[23:03.280 --> 23:07.160]  because they're trying to get in on a piece of the action.
[23:07.160 --> 23:10.840]  How are we going to make, how are we going to cash in on this too?
[23:10.840 --> 23:13.840]  Because it looks like big business to us.
[23:13.840 --> 23:19.560]  And one thing that I thought was encouraging towards the end, they had some other FCC commissioner
[23:19.560 --> 23:20.560]  get up there.
[23:20.560 --> 23:22.520]  There was like three of them.
[23:22.520 --> 23:23.520]  Two other women got up.
[23:23.520 --> 23:24.520]  They weren't commissioners.
[23:24.520 --> 23:25.520]  They were with the FCC.
[23:25.520 --> 23:26.520]  Okay.
[23:26.520 --> 23:27.520]  They were with the FCC.
[23:27.520 --> 23:34.160]  Well, the one who was kind of real young, like a blonde bimbo kind of type.
[23:34.160 --> 23:40.800]  And she was saying that she wanted to make sure and impress upon everyone in the room
[23:40.800 --> 23:46.920]  that all of this implementation and this whole, the whole success of this whole project is
[23:46.920 --> 23:52.800]  going to depend on them being able to sell it to the public.
[23:52.800 --> 23:59.120]  And that if they can't get people to actually buy into it and go along with it, then this
[23:59.120 --> 24:00.280]  is all for naught.
[24:00.280 --> 24:04.040]  Didn't she say something like that, Gary, at the end, that blonde lady?
[24:04.040 --> 24:07.200]  So see, they're not even sure they're going to be able to do it.
[24:07.200 --> 24:12.720]  And so if we like put up a fight against it or like this autonomous internet group, we
[24:12.720 --> 24:18.800]  just start setting up our own wireless access points in our own communities into the internet.
[24:18.800 --> 24:22.440]  We're just like, we're not going to need these guys.
[24:22.440 --> 24:25.680]  So yeah, it looks like we can try to at least stop it or influence it.
[24:25.680 --> 24:27.480]  So go ahead, Gary.
[24:27.480 --> 24:31.840]  Well, I'd actually be curious to know what Randy has to say about this because I talked
[24:31.840 --> 24:38.640]  to him while he was there and he has something to say about how this will lead to controlling
[24:38.640 --> 24:39.640]  the internet.
[24:39.640 --> 24:40.640]  Are you there, Randy?
[24:40.640 --> 24:42.640]  Yeah, I'm here.
[24:42.640 --> 24:48.560]  While I was standing there listening to them, I felt like a frog swimming across the river
[24:48.560 --> 24:51.760]  with a scorpion on my back.
[24:51.760 --> 24:54.560]  And I told this to the commissioner.
[24:54.560 --> 24:56.560]  You talked to Meredith?
[24:56.560 --> 24:58.120]  Yes.
[24:58.120 --> 25:04.160]  Right next to me was standing a guy from a guy was standing there from cable.
[25:04.160 --> 25:11.000]  And I asked her, what is to keep this wireless technology as this infusion of money from
[25:11.000 --> 25:17.920]  the government will allow them to develop the technology more quickly?
[25:17.920 --> 25:24.360]  And once the technology gets expanded, it will become less costly.
[25:24.360 --> 25:31.160]  What is to keep these wireless technologies from moving from the rural areas into the
[25:31.160 --> 25:37.120]  urban areas and swamping the system and putting these cable guys over here out of business
[25:37.120 --> 25:43.840]  so that you take all of the hardwired internet and move it up into the air where the FCC
[25:43.840 --> 25:46.320]  can control content?
[25:46.320 --> 25:50.000]  Well, that's not what we're trying to do at all.
[25:50.000 --> 25:51.000]  Oh, BS.
[25:51.000 --> 25:57.120]  When I told her, yes, in listening to you, I feel like the frog with the scorpion.
[25:57.120 --> 26:03.680]  For those of you who haven't heard it, the joke, the frog is caught by a scorpion right
[26:03.680 --> 26:04.680]  by the river.
[26:04.680 --> 26:07.760]  And the frog asked the scorpion not to sting him.
[26:07.760 --> 26:14.800]  And the scorpion tells him he won't sting him if you'll help him swim across the river.
[26:14.800 --> 26:21.760]  So the frog agrees and halfway across the river, the scorpion stings him and the frog
[26:21.760 --> 26:23.240]  said, why did you do that?
[26:23.240 --> 26:25.480]  Now we will both die.
[26:25.480 --> 26:29.040]  He said, the scorpion said, I couldn't help myself.
[26:29.040 --> 26:30.040]  I'm a scorpion.
[26:30.040 --> 26:32.400]  It's what I do.
[26:32.400 --> 26:33.400]  So the scorpion committed suicide just to...
[26:33.400 --> 26:40.080]  The FCC may not, it may not be their intent to swallow land-based internet.
[26:40.080 --> 26:41.080]  Oh, please.
[26:41.080 --> 26:42.080]  Of course it is.
[26:42.080 --> 26:46.760]  We're giving them a little credit, even if it's not their intent, it will be the outcome.
[26:46.760 --> 26:47.760]  Yeah.
[26:47.760 --> 26:49.400]  Well, I agree with you, Randy.
[26:49.400 --> 26:52.600]  I don't know if all the people in that room, even most of the people in that room have
[26:52.600 --> 26:55.340]  a plan to control the internet.
[26:55.340 --> 27:00.400]  But as you say, this inevitably leads to that where the people who do want to control the
[27:00.400 --> 27:06.200]  internet will have in place the system to control the internet.
[27:06.200 --> 27:11.720]  And also they definitely are planning on doing this in urban areas.
[27:11.720 --> 27:16.440]  But I mean, they're talking the big talk about the rule of setting up these wireless transmitter
[27:16.440 --> 27:22.200]  towers in rural areas, I should say the access nodes in rural areas.
[27:22.200 --> 27:26.120]  But when the guy from the University of Texas was talking, I mean, he was talking about
[27:26.120 --> 27:31.200]  doing it in urban areas for sure and having hotspots set up and all these sort of things.
[27:31.200 --> 27:39.320]  So yeah, they want to totally transition the internet from being a hardline base to, you
[27:39.320 --> 27:46.480]  know, a hardline base to being totally wireless in the air.
[27:46.480 --> 27:51.640]  And you know, they're just going to make it so cheap that these other communication companies,
[27:51.640 --> 27:52.640]  they're going to have to get on board.
[27:52.640 --> 27:56.760]  In fact, there were people from AT&T there, you know, so they know they're going to have
[27:56.760 --> 28:00.680]  to they're going to have to go along with this or they think they are.
[28:00.680 --> 28:05.920]  And you and I, we're going to pay the bill for them stealing our liberty from us.
[28:05.920 --> 28:08.360]  No, I think, you know, that's part of the stimulus package.
[28:08.360 --> 28:12.960]  That's what's funding this, you know, but I'm not going to pay.
[28:12.960 --> 28:22.960]  I am not, I will not subscribe to any internet service offered by the government, period.
[28:22.960 --> 28:30.960]  Wireless or not, if they succeed in this and basically put all private ISPs out of business,
[28:30.960 --> 28:33.160]  I will get my own DNS server.
[28:33.160 --> 28:38.520]  Okay, I will, I know now, I know how to tap into the internet directly.
[28:38.520 --> 28:44.120]  You know, it's not going to be the easiest thing, but you know, we really are going to
[28:44.120 --> 28:48.840]  have to step up to the plate and start educating ourselves and figuring out how we're going
[28:48.840 --> 28:54.880]  to get into the internet ourselves and bypass these ISPs and bypass the government internet
[28:54.880 --> 28:56.840]  service and all these kinds of things.
[28:56.840 --> 29:02.120]  And you know, it's really not hard because the infrastructure is there already.
[29:02.120 --> 29:06.840]  You know, all you need to do is have a DNS server and you know, you're going to want
[29:06.840 --> 29:12.520]  to change your name server so you don't have to go through the internet service providers
[29:12.520 --> 29:14.880]  and these sort of things.
[29:14.880 --> 29:21.480]  And you may not have the fastest connection, but you know, I'll tell you what, if I have
[29:21.480 --> 29:27.320]  to have a little bit slower internet connection and be able to keep my freedom and liberty
[29:27.320 --> 29:35.080]  and my open access to the real internet, it's a small price to pay, really.
[29:35.080 --> 29:42.120]  I mean, this is getting pretty scary here and I don't quite know how to stop these guys,
[29:42.120 --> 29:43.120]  really.
[29:43.120 --> 29:51.280]  I mean, I'm hoping that it's going, it's not going to be as feasible, easily, as feasibly
[29:51.280 --> 29:52.280]  implemented.
[29:52.280 --> 29:57.300]  They call it deployed, you know, the kind of terminology they use, it's military or
[29:57.300 --> 30:00.760]  something, a deployment of the broadband.
[30:00.760 --> 30:08.680]  And see, when you go on the FCC website, they don't, they really don't mention that this
[30:08.680 --> 30:10.960]  is all wireless.
[30:10.960 --> 30:13.720]  They call it the national broadband plan.
[30:13.720 --> 30:14.720]  Okay.
[30:14.720 --> 30:19.800]  And yeah, I know like they have like what they have, what they call broadband cards,
[30:19.800 --> 30:24.640]  you know, like little PCMCIA cards for your laptop that you can get online as long as
[30:24.640 --> 30:28.200]  you're within, you know, the range of a cell phone tower.
[30:28.200 --> 30:32.800]  That's basically, you know, internet, wireless internet on a larger scale right now, what
[30:32.800 --> 30:33.800]  you have.
[30:33.800 --> 30:34.800]  And they're called broadband cards.
[30:34.800 --> 30:39.880]  But I mean, for years and years and years before there was ever such a thing as Wi-Fi
[30:39.880 --> 30:45.760]  or these broadband cards we could get online through a cell phone reception, I mean, I've
[30:45.760 --> 30:52.520]  always known broadband to be, you know, like high bandwidth broadband, like IE cable internet
[30:52.520 --> 30:55.040]  or DSL.
[30:55.040 --> 31:01.800]  I mean, so people who've been like in the techie kind of world for a long time, it's
[31:01.800 --> 31:06.560]  like it kind of, it didn't quite hit me what they meant when they're saying the national
[31:06.560 --> 31:11.160]  broadband plan, you know, why don't they just come out with it and say it?
[31:11.160 --> 31:14.680]  It's the national wireless internet plan.
[31:14.680 --> 31:19.160]  It's like they're almost kind of hiding the fact that they're planning on making it all
[31:19.160 --> 31:20.640]  completely and totally wireless.
[31:20.640 --> 31:23.640]  It doesn't say the word wireless anywhere on any of these websites.
[31:23.640 --> 31:29.000]  I mean, it took a while for me even being at this hearing today, if you want to even
[31:29.000 --> 31:31.760]  call it that, to get the gist of it.
[31:31.760 --> 31:37.600]  I mean, it's like, it was like the W word, you know, nobody wanted to say it, you know,
[31:37.600 --> 31:42.720]  and after a while it's like, you know, it would slip out, it was like, oh, that's what
[31:42.720 --> 31:44.720]  this is all about.
[31:44.720 --> 31:50.720]  Well, you know, actually, if you look at some of the stuff, there is a debate, they say
[31:50.720 --> 31:54.440]  in some of these documents, we have to define what broadband means.
[31:54.440 --> 31:59.400]  And so, you know, they get it, that's part of the national plan, what is broadband and
[31:59.400 --> 32:01.040]  it can include wireless.
[32:01.040 --> 32:07.320]  So they're kind of, you know, if you define your terms, you control the debate, I'm going
[32:07.320 --> 32:12.800]  to point out that a lot of this is a little bit of class warfare and so forth, you know,
[32:12.800 --> 32:17.960]  the rural areas don't have as good a broadband or any broadband as the urban areas.
[32:17.960 --> 32:25.160]  And just my little political rant here, broadband internet service is not a right and you do
[32:25.160 --> 32:28.240]  not have a right to have it provided to you by the government.
[32:28.240 --> 32:33.000]  And the government has no authority under the Constitution to do any of this.
[32:33.000 --> 32:38.140]  And the government has no authority to provide free printing presses to rural areas.
[32:38.140 --> 32:44.480]  So they have rural newspapers and they don't have the authority to provide free broadband
[32:44.480 --> 32:46.440]  service to rural areas.
[32:46.440 --> 32:53.080]  So, you know, we need to understand that this whole thing is completely fraudulent and,
[32:53.080 --> 32:59.560]  you know, they have already pushed the envelope to get away with what they're pushing right
[32:59.560 --> 33:00.560]  now.
[33:00.560 --> 33:01.560]  Exactly.
[33:01.560 --> 33:03.920]  That was what my whole testimony was about.
[33:03.920 --> 33:09.400]  See, I made up a written testimony, basically, Gary, saying what you basically, exactly what
[33:09.400 --> 33:10.580]  you're just saying.
[33:10.580 --> 33:16.980]  We don't have a right to any service period, okay, and the government is not, does not
[33:16.980 --> 33:21.080]  have the authority to provide any services, namely this.
[33:21.080 --> 33:25.080]  And see, the whole thing, you can just see the ruse.
[33:25.080 --> 33:32.120]  This is about getting wireless into the main urban areas so they can control the internet
[33:32.120 --> 33:33.120]  of the masses.
[33:33.120 --> 33:38.720]  I mean, they're not going to spend billions of dollars in all this research and development.
[33:38.720 --> 33:42.120]  Oh, because we just are so nice.
[33:42.120 --> 33:45.680]  We want to provide high speed internet to the rural areas.
[33:45.680 --> 33:51.240]  There's not enough people to foot the bill for this, okay?
[33:51.240 --> 33:57.480]  This is the litmus test, the rural areas, the litmus test, and they're using the humanitarian
[33:57.480 --> 34:03.560]  excuse of, oh, we need to bring the broadband to the rural areas.
[34:03.560 --> 34:06.760]  These poor people can't get online high speed.
[34:06.760 --> 34:09.000]  Ah, give me a break.
[34:09.000 --> 34:13.680]  You know, I can hear the tiniest violin in the world playing.
[34:13.680 --> 34:19.240]  When I told this commissioner that it was my concern that they were trying to bring
[34:19.240 --> 34:25.960]  everything to the air so they could take control, she got a look on her face that Deborah would
[34:25.960 --> 34:30.200]  describe as a cat with a feather sticking out of his mouth.
[34:30.200 --> 34:33.040]  She almost took a step back away from me.
[34:33.040 --> 34:34.040]  Now, what do they think?
[34:34.040 --> 34:35.040]  We're stupid?
[34:35.040 --> 34:39.480]  Well, you got to remember there's technology out there that will allow them to throw up
[34:39.480 --> 34:46.240]  an interfering bandwidth transmission so they can block all communications that are wireless
[34:46.240 --> 34:48.200]  at any time they wish.
[34:48.200 --> 34:53.360]  Now, the other problem we have in this is find me anywhere where the constitution granted
[34:53.360 --> 35:00.440]  authority to any branch of the government to compete with the private sector in a market
[35:00.440 --> 35:03.440]  of any kind.
[35:03.440 --> 35:12.240]  They're not going to compete, they're going to do the same thing they did with radio.
[35:12.240 --> 35:18.680]  They're going to put this in the hands of a few major players that they control.
[35:18.680 --> 35:20.760]  It's a public private partnerships.
[35:20.760 --> 35:26.440]  And Eddie, you're right, even if people set up their own wireless access nodes in their
[35:26.440 --> 35:34.680]  own neighborhoods, the government could blast some radio transmission and destroy it, but
[35:34.680 --> 35:37.080]  they're still going to have these telephone lines.
[35:37.080 --> 35:40.000]  There's still going to be the cable companies.
[35:40.000 --> 35:46.960]  We can set up our own DSL service if we have to, basically.
[35:46.960 --> 35:56.640]  We can use Time Warner Cable or Cox.net, whatever cable service, and just use their infrastructure
[35:56.640 --> 36:04.560]  basically for the lines and access our own name servers and our own DNS servers through
[36:04.560 --> 36:05.560]  the hard lines.
[36:05.560 --> 36:12.040]  They're not going to be able to stop us from setting up our own access points directly
[36:12.040 --> 36:14.160]  into the internet.
[36:14.160 --> 36:17.680]  They know they're not going to be able to stop us from doing that.
[36:17.680 --> 36:23.080]  They're just trying to pull the wool over the masses' eyes.
[36:23.080 --> 36:26.120]  That's what it looks like to me.
[36:26.120 --> 36:27.600]  Go ahead, Eddie.
[36:27.600 --> 36:31.920]  Well, the point of what Randy's talking about though, about how it's going to be a public
[36:31.920 --> 36:37.520]  private partnership to make all this work out for them, the problem I see with this
[36:37.520 --> 36:45.240]  to begin with is this partnership allows them to grant particular access and rights to a
[36:45.240 --> 36:48.520]  company that otherwise wouldn't have them.
[36:48.520 --> 36:51.640]  The problem I've had with a lot of things that the federal government thinks it can
[36:51.640 --> 36:56.160]  regulate, find anywhere in the Constitution where it says the federal government has the
[36:56.160 --> 36:58.720]  right to regulate bandwidth.
[36:58.720 --> 37:02.600]  The federal government has the right to regulate this, that, or the other.
[37:02.600 --> 37:04.700]  It doesn't exist.
[37:04.700 --> 37:10.260]  This thing about how they misinterpret the Commerce Clause and how they also tend to
[37:10.260 --> 37:18.520]  misinterpret the 18 enumerated powers where the Commerce Clause basically does away with
[37:18.520 --> 37:23.040]  the 18 enumerated and gives them anything they want.
[37:23.040 --> 37:30.520]  I have a real problem with American people that just sit back and let this happen.
[37:30.520 --> 37:35.400]  The founding fathers would walk around and just kick every one of us first in our butts
[37:35.400 --> 37:39.560]  and then in our teeth for letting this go on for as long as it has.
[37:39.560 --> 37:41.760]  I know, for letting it get so far.
[37:41.760 --> 37:50.080]  I mean, Eddie, you're totally right about this interstate Commerce Clause thing.
[37:50.080 --> 37:57.080]  I don't know if you're familiar with the Supreme Court case, Rach versus Ashcroft.
[37:57.080 --> 38:02.280]  This is about medical marijuana in the state of California.
[38:02.280 --> 38:06.240]  It really wasn't about drug prohibition or anything like this.
[38:06.240 --> 38:12.640]  It was about states' rights and the interstate Commerce Clause.
[38:12.640 --> 38:19.920]  If the courts hadn't stretched the interstate Commerce Clause to the hilt before this case,
[38:19.920 --> 38:25.960]  oh man, I mean, they just about obliterated states' rights under the interstate Commerce
[38:25.960 --> 38:28.520]  Clause in that case.
[38:28.520 --> 38:33.680]  The whole case about Rach versus Ashcroft was about concerning these medical marijuana
[38:33.680 --> 38:40.000]  clinics that are regulated and authorized under California state law.
[38:40.000 --> 38:42.840]  There's no commerce involved whatsoever for one thing.
[38:42.840 --> 38:51.160]  The growers of the marijuana donate the plants to these clinics and they have to be... The
[38:51.160 --> 38:56.840]  patients are on doctor's prescriptions, like real doctors, MDs.
[38:56.840 --> 39:00.480]  These people are generally terminally ill, dying.
[39:00.480 --> 39:05.560]  Cancer patients, it's the only thing that keeps them out of pain and it's the only thing,
[39:05.560 --> 39:11.240]  by the way, that calms their digestive system down enough so that they can eat.
[39:11.240 --> 39:16.160]  These cancer patients that are on chemotherapy, they give them all kinds of drugs so that
[39:16.160 --> 39:20.960]  they can eat so they're not sick to their stomach all the time and none of it works.
[39:20.960 --> 39:24.680]  Marijuana is the only thing that works so that these people can stay out of pain and
[39:24.680 --> 39:28.120]  actually keep food down on their stomachs.
[39:28.120 --> 39:33.920]  So Ashcroft, at the time, he goes in there with SWAT teams, federal SWAT teams, guns
[39:33.920 --> 39:41.320]  blazing, yanking little old ladies, elderly 80-year-old men and women in wheelchairs and
[39:41.320 --> 39:46.320]  bedridden out of their beds and out of their wheelchairs, slamming them on the floor because
[39:46.320 --> 39:52.760]  they're in these medical marijuana clinics and they have prescriptions and such and so
[39:52.760 --> 40:01.160]  they were taking down this woman, Angel Rach, who is a cancer victim and who was in one
[40:01.160 --> 40:03.360]  of these clinics.
[40:03.360 --> 40:08.440]  She had a team of lawyers and their case looked really, really good.
[40:08.440 --> 40:14.480]  You even had states like Alabama writing amicus briefs to the Supreme Court saying, we don't
[40:14.480 --> 40:20.440]  agree with what our sister state, California, is doing.
[40:20.440 --> 40:26.560]  We're highly in a drug prohibition and all, but we do stand with the fact that they are
[40:26.560 --> 40:33.800]  sovereign state and they have a right to do this and we're employing the court to uphold
[40:33.800 --> 40:39.180]  states' rights here because there's no commerce to regulate in the first place and everything
[40:39.180 --> 40:43.080]  that was going on was inside the state of California anyway.
[40:43.080 --> 40:50.720]  And the Solicitor General made the most BS-weakest argument I'd ever heard in my life to try
[40:50.720 --> 40:52.520]  to invoke the interstate commerce clause.
[40:52.520 --> 40:58.760]  He said if some of the marijuana happened across state lines, then it would affect the
[40:58.760 --> 41:05.580]  overall supply and demand of marijuana across the nation and especially if it had seeds
[41:05.580 --> 41:13.480]  in it and so therefore the prices of marijuana would change by some tenth of a quarter of
[41:13.480 --> 41:20.280]  one percent of one penny or something and so therefore it would be affecting interstate
[41:20.280 --> 41:22.240]  commerce of the black market.
[41:22.240 --> 41:26.600]  And so as a federal government, we have the right to regulate this under the Constitution.
[41:26.600 --> 41:31.680]  I could not believe that was the argument they made and the Supreme Court ruled in favor
[41:31.680 --> 41:37.960]  five to four, including Scalia, who's supposed to be the big conservative and he's generally
[41:37.960 --> 41:42.040]  always ruled in states' rights favor before but not this time.
[41:42.040 --> 41:48.040]  So yeah, Eddie, I mean they've taken the interstate commerce clause and stretched it like peanut
[41:48.040 --> 41:49.040]  butter.
[41:49.040 --> 41:55.440]  Well, yeah, well, our courts have started taking stupid pills by the bucket, Bushel.
[41:55.440 --> 42:03.360]  Well, yes, but our state legislators have appeared to feel like that case stretched
[42:03.360 --> 42:08.720]  the limit too far because look what Montana and Tennessee has done.
[42:08.720 --> 42:18.640]  They passed law that said if it's in the state, the feds can stay the heck out.
[42:18.640 --> 42:23.600]  And these Tenth Amendment initiatives, the states are responding to this with their own
[42:23.600 --> 42:26.040]  initiatives to stop the feds.
[42:26.040 --> 42:30.080]  Well, you know, the thing is, Sheriff Mack's got it right.
[42:30.080 --> 42:32.280]  We don't need the legislature to do this.
[42:32.280 --> 42:35.160]  We just need the county sheriffs to do this.
[42:35.160 --> 42:40.920]  The county sheriffs can tell them if you set foot in my county, you're going to my jail
[42:40.920 --> 42:43.940]  and let that be the end of it.
[42:43.940 --> 42:48.960]  Because anytime the feds step foot in the county and the sheriff has said stay out,
[42:48.960 --> 42:51.720]  all bets are off at that point.
[42:51.720 --> 42:59.680]  Basically if you go through the FOIAs and the paperwork set up that Sheriff Mack did,
[42:59.680 --> 43:05.320]  you know, he FOIAed the federal government to get a list of properties owned by the federal
[43:05.320 --> 43:09.520]  government that the federal government has jurisdiction over in his whole state.
[43:09.520 --> 43:16.960]  And then he also got basically the matching paperwork from the Secretary of State to prove
[43:16.960 --> 43:23.680]  not just on a constitutional level, but to prove through actual paperwork from the feds
[43:23.680 --> 43:30.520]  and the state that the feds had no jurisdiction in his county and that's how he won a Supreme
[43:30.520 --> 43:36.000]  Court case and really was able to stand his ground on a, you know, solid legal standing
[43:36.000 --> 43:40.120]  of kicking them, kicking the feds out of his county.
[43:40.120 --> 43:45.120]  We need to follow up, let's do the same thing here, you know, even just ourselves if the
[43:45.120 --> 43:48.160]  sheriff won't do it.
[43:48.160 --> 43:55.000]  Well the other thing he had in his benefit there as far as the jurisdiction goes, I mean,
[43:55.000 --> 44:00.520]  does a lot of people out there not understand that federal jurisdiction does not exist within
[44:00.520 --> 44:06.440]  the borders of the state unless the land has been ceded to the government?
[44:06.440 --> 44:10.240]  That doesn't mean rented, that doesn't mean purchased.
[44:10.240 --> 44:16.800]  They can own everything that's in the building, but if the land the building sits on has not
[44:16.800 --> 44:21.480]  been ceded, then their jurisdiction doesn't exist.
[44:21.480 --> 44:26.440]  Yes, that's what these FOIAs are about, is to find out the properties that have been
[44:26.440 --> 44:31.200]  ceded to the federal government and that will prove in a shadow of a doubt whether they
[44:31.200 --> 44:36.800]  have jurisdiction in a certain area or not.
[44:36.800 --> 44:44.760]  So Gary, back to Gary, I don't know how long you could stay with us, but you got there
[44:44.760 --> 44:49.600]  at the beginning, I believe, we were kind of scrambling to get there really, not too
[44:49.600 --> 44:54.080]  much early morning people around here, but can you please, like you were taking notes
[44:54.080 --> 45:01.600]  and stuff, can you give us some highlights and some tidbits, what were the big red flags
[45:01.600 --> 45:06.480]  that you saw here and what did you find that was the most interesting, what we should look
[45:06.480 --> 45:10.120]  out for, or what was going on here?
[45:10.120 --> 45:13.680]  It felt like we were in the midst of a pack of wolves today, really.
[45:13.680 --> 45:19.240]  Well, I should point out, you can actually, they've taped, I guess, videoed it.
[45:19.240 --> 45:27.000]  You can go to some website, I'm looking at it, and I guess you could go to the Benton
[45:27.000 --> 45:35.200]  Foundation website, there's a link, and you can actually watch the whole thing on video.
[45:35.200 --> 45:40.080]  You didn't miss anything, because it wasn't a public hearing, in spite of the fact it
[45:40.080 --> 45:45.280]  was billed as a field hearing, the broadband field hearing, there wasn't any hearing.
[45:45.280 --> 45:52.560]  So it was basically these panelists droning on, and the Federal Communications Commissioner,
[45:52.560 --> 45:55.560]  Meredith A. Baker, really didn't say much.
[45:55.560 --> 46:00.400]  She just sort of said, it's great to be here in Austin, and thank you for your hospitality.
[46:00.400 --> 46:07.880]  So it was basically what you heard, which was these people, some of them were in industry,
[46:07.880 --> 46:14.000]  some of them were in private organizations that receive funding to somehow provide internet
[46:14.000 --> 46:22.800]  service to the so-called underserved, not just the rural areas, but also various groups.
[46:22.800 --> 46:27.400]  And the only thing that we haven't talked about, and I don't know if you heard this
[46:27.400 --> 46:32.880]  and whether you thought this was good or bad, it made my ears kind of stand up, was there
[46:32.880 --> 46:40.880]  was a man from Dell, he's with their technology policy director.
[46:40.880 --> 46:50.800]  His name is Nir Raj Srivastava, he's obviously from India, and he talked about, he actually
[46:50.800 --> 47:00.640]  said that there was some benefit of unlicensed spectrum, and he talked about how the reason
[47:00.640 --> 47:09.640]  that we have Wi-Fi in our homes is because the FCC set aside some part of the spectrum
[47:09.640 --> 47:18.640]  to 2.4 gigahertz in 1985, and he actually argued for more unlicensed transmissions.
[47:18.640 --> 47:25.760]  He called them the white spaces that you didn't have to have a license to transmit in, and
[47:25.760 --> 47:32.160]  he said that that actually would make certain things possible, so that was a little bit
[47:32.160 --> 47:37.560]  out of the ordinary, I thought, that somebody was actually arguing that.
[47:37.560 --> 47:44.040]  But most of the people there, it sort of disappoints me because here we have this government takeover
[47:44.040 --> 47:50.140]  of the internet, and it's not just broadband, it's the internet, and it seems like it's
[47:50.140 --> 47:55.600]  all public-private partnerships, and a lot of these businesses should realize that they
[47:55.600 --> 47:59.560]  should not be cooperating with this, they should be opposing this because it is going
[47:59.560 --> 48:03.320]  to drive them out of business, but they all seem to be clamoring to figure out how they
[48:03.320 --> 48:04.960]  can get in on the deal.
[48:04.960 --> 48:07.120]  That's exactly what was going on today.
[48:07.120 --> 48:11.240]  I mean, I was surprised to see so many people there.
[48:11.240 --> 48:18.280]  There was probably at least maybe 100 people in the room, and see, they really, really
[48:18.280 --> 48:21.600]  didn't want people like us there, even knowing about it.
[48:21.600 --> 48:28.440]  I mean, they announced the public hearing on Wednesday, but you damn well know they've
[48:28.440 --> 48:34.240]  had this meeting set up and planned for months, they had their slideshows, they had to schedule
[48:34.240 --> 48:38.000]  all these guest speakers and everything.
[48:38.000 --> 48:43.800]  They could not have gotten all these panelists there representing all these major corporations
[48:43.800 --> 48:50.840]  and other organizations, like you're saying, Gary, in a matter of four or five days, okay?
[48:50.840 --> 48:57.200]  So they had it planned, and somehow the people on the inside, like the people who were there,
[48:57.200 --> 49:03.600]  I suspect either, like you say, they're not lobbyists, they were people in the industry,
[49:03.600 --> 49:09.040]  and they were trying to figure out, they were there, very interested in how they are going
[49:09.040 --> 49:11.720]  to cash in on this too.
[49:11.720 --> 49:16.680]  And there was maybe a dozen or so or less of us.
[49:16.680 --> 49:17.680]  Yes, there were.
[49:17.680 --> 49:20.640]  There were some familiar faces there.
[49:20.640 --> 49:21.640]  Yeah.
[49:21.640 --> 49:29.000]  Due to the PSA, I mean, and just a quick apology to our listeners here who may have been waiting
[49:29.000 --> 49:35.600]  for me to contact them and deal with the seminar and getting out jurisdictionaries and stuff.
[49:35.600 --> 49:43.800]  I was planning on taking care of all that today and yesterday, but then the hand grenade
[49:43.800 --> 49:49.400]  went off about the internet yesterday afternoon, and so basically I've done nothing since yesterday
[49:49.400 --> 49:57.960]  afternoon except for make PSAs, send emails, make phone calls, write written testimonies,
[49:57.960 --> 50:04.040]  do research, and then have to get up early and dress up in a suit and go sit with all
[50:04.040 --> 50:12.760]  the three-piece, three-shoes, ties, guys, wise guys, lobbyists all morning long and
[50:12.760 --> 50:14.200]  just be reeling from that.
[50:14.200 --> 50:17.920]  So I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to deal with the seminar over the last couple of days.
[50:17.920 --> 50:21.080]  But I mean, this is just madness.
[50:21.080 --> 50:26.400]  I want to point out, Debra, that I recognize some of the people in the room who are city
[50:26.400 --> 50:29.160]  officials, the city of Austin, government officials.
[50:29.160 --> 50:34.240]  So it was, they expect to get some grant money as well.
[50:34.240 --> 50:39.800]  So it's the local government and all that, there were plenty of people who were expecting
[50:39.800 --> 50:40.800]  to get this money.
[50:40.800 --> 50:44.560]  Yeah, and in fact, I'll be right back, I'm going to go get my laptop back.
[50:44.560 --> 50:48.000]  I'm going to read the list of panelists that was there today.
[50:48.000 --> 50:51.160]  So just hold on one second, I'll be right back.
[50:51.160 --> 50:58.480]  Please continue and just let everybody know just what this stupid crowd that they're planning
[50:58.480 --> 51:00.760]  and Randy, you know, what your take on it is.
[51:00.760 --> 51:01.760]  I'll be right back, guys.
[51:01.760 --> 51:02.760]  Hold on.
[51:02.760 --> 51:03.760]  All right.
[51:03.760 --> 51:06.800]  Well, I don't know what I'm supposed to be saying here, but Randy, do you have any take
[51:06.800 --> 51:07.800]  on this?
[51:07.800 --> 51:12.800]  Because as I said earlier, I just find it surprising that a lot of people are buying
[51:12.800 --> 51:19.120]  in on this when certain people should actually be vigorously opposing this and saying, don't
[51:19.120 --> 51:24.760]  mess with us, because this money is going to come with strings attached, it's going
[51:24.760 --> 51:26.560]  to come with control.
[51:26.560 --> 51:29.920]  And a lot of these people who were there, if they really thought about it, should be
[51:29.920 --> 51:34.200]  opposing this, but they were just blithely going along with it.
[51:34.200 --> 51:35.200]  Yes.
[51:35.200 --> 51:42.400]  And when I was there, one of the people I talked to turned out to be from Homeland Security.
[51:42.400 --> 51:49.720]  And he, like the rest of them, was clearly there to see how Homeland Security could get
[51:49.720 --> 51:52.400]  a piece of this pie.
[51:52.400 --> 51:56.120]  That appeared from most everyone I saw there.
[51:56.120 --> 52:02.120]  It appeared that they were all there looking for a piece of the pie and nobody there really
[52:02.120 --> 52:03.120]  cared.
[52:03.120 --> 52:11.320]  As I watched the panelists, it was clear that these were handpicked individuals there to
[52:11.320 --> 52:17.920]  promote this policy, companies who would all benefit from it.
[52:17.920 --> 52:19.640]  Yeah, I had the same experience.
[52:19.640 --> 52:24.000]  I was not with a government guy, but when I was coming up on the elevator, there was
[52:24.000 --> 52:28.400]  somebody and he handed me his business card and he was with his company, he was figuring
[52:28.400 --> 52:30.400]  out how they were going to get part of the money.
[52:30.400 --> 52:34.640]  He handed you his business card, so see, everybody was using this as some kind of a schmooze
[52:34.640 --> 52:39.920]  opportunity to try to figure out how they're going to get in on the action here.
[52:39.920 --> 52:42.480]  And here, I got the list.
[52:42.480 --> 52:45.520]  This is one of the handouts today, the broadband field hearing.
[52:45.520 --> 52:47.840]  Yeah, see, they really don't call it a public hearing.
[52:47.840 --> 52:50.240]  They call it a field hearing, okay?
[52:50.240 --> 52:51.240]  What's a hearing?
[52:51.240 --> 52:52.240]  But they didn't hear anybody.
[52:52.240 --> 52:53.240]  I know!
[52:53.240 --> 53:01.040]  No, he's just like, we're the one who's going to be doing the hearing.
[53:01.040 --> 53:02.040]  We don't get to talk.
[53:02.040 --> 53:04.320]  That was very enraging.
[53:04.320 --> 53:11.780]  And just before I read this quickly, one of the panelists from the University of Texas
[53:11.780 --> 53:19.120]  was talking about some of the challenges of this kind of technology in providing high-speed
[53:19.120 --> 53:24.060]  internet access over the airwaves wirelessly.
[53:24.060 --> 53:32.240]  This is why I tell all the hosts on the network they can't use Wi-Fi to connect to their
[53:32.240 --> 53:40.640]  router to connect to the infrastructure here at the network, because Wi-Fi is too flaky.
[53:40.640 --> 53:43.000]  Hook up an ethernet cable, people.
[53:43.000 --> 53:48.320]  We need to have stable high-speed connection here to connect the host to the network.
[53:48.320 --> 53:51.440]  And so they're running into some of these same problems.
[53:51.440 --> 53:57.120]  And this guy was saying that, well, talking about setting up these big wireless access
[53:57.120 --> 54:00.620]  points that would have a 10-mile radius.
[54:00.620 --> 54:07.040]  If you're very close to the tower, you get really good service, high speed and it's dependable
[54:07.040 --> 54:08.280]  and stable.
[54:08.280 --> 54:16.360]  But it's almost like a logarithmic graph as far as you start getting away from that tower
[54:16.360 --> 54:20.880]  and it starts dropping off real fast, the dependability and the speed.
[54:20.880 --> 54:26.460]  And so this guy was saying that the only way that they're going to be able to realistically
[54:26.460 --> 54:35.480]  deliver high-speed wireless access at that distance of a 10-mile radius is that their
[54:35.480 --> 54:42.840]  tower, their transmission is going to have to be very high power.
[54:42.840 --> 54:46.080]  And that's going to upset a lot of people.
[54:46.080 --> 54:52.560]  Even despite the Patriot community, I was telling Randy today there's what I would call
[54:52.560 --> 55:03.080]  a militant environmentalist group up in Seattle that took down an AM tower, like a giant AM
[55:03.080 --> 55:09.440]  tower, like many hundreds of feet tall, because they were upset about they think that these
[55:09.440 --> 55:19.560]  high-powered AM towers cause health damage, cancer and problems with the animals and humans
[55:19.560 --> 55:21.000]  and stuff like this.
[55:21.000 --> 55:25.200]  And it was interfering with the telephone connections and stuff and they were putting
[55:25.200 --> 55:31.000]  up, this company was putting up another AM transmitter, a very high-power AM transmitter
[55:31.000 --> 55:35.520]  and so there was construction equipment on the property.
[55:35.520 --> 55:42.520]  And so this militant environmentalist health group gets out there and fires up one of the
[55:42.520 --> 55:48.120]  backhoes and slams it into the base of one of these towers.
[55:48.120 --> 55:50.520]  They could have killed themselves.
[55:50.520 --> 55:52.680]  That's what they did to take the tower down.
[55:52.680 --> 55:58.360]  Come on people, if you want to take a tower down, all you've got to do is snip the guidelines
[55:58.360 --> 56:00.040]  on one side.
[56:00.040 --> 56:02.240]  That's how the professionals take it down.
[56:02.240 --> 56:04.080]  These people are so mad.
[56:04.080 --> 56:07.120]  They just got in the backhoe and just slammed right in the tower.
[56:07.120 --> 56:15.400]  And so there's a lot of people out there who are very strongly opposed to these high-power
[56:15.400 --> 56:19.080]  radio transmitters.
[56:19.080 --> 56:26.120]  If not from the Patriot community, there's going to be a huge pushback from these environmentalists
[56:26.120 --> 56:33.120]  and people who are concerned about health issues related to high-wattage radio transmitters.
[56:33.120 --> 56:39.760]  But at any rate, let me just read some of the people that were there today on this panel.
[56:39.760 --> 56:41.800]  There were two panels.
[56:41.800 --> 56:49.400]  The first panel was concerned with deployment issues and considerations.
[56:49.400 --> 56:59.520]  And the second panel was wireless broadband, the promise, expectations, and implications
[56:59.520 --> 57:01.680]  for the future.
[57:01.680 --> 57:11.120]  So the first panel, you have Richard McKinnon, CEO of Austin Wireless, Inc.
[57:11.120 --> 57:16.920]  He is the president of the Austin Wireless City Project, a Texas nonprofit organization
[57:16.920 --> 57:21.680]  with the dual roles of public education and community network operation.
[57:21.680 --> 57:26.880]  Its mission is to improve quality and availability of public free Wi-Fi in Austin.
[57:26.880 --> 57:29.720]  Okay, so that was one panelist.
[57:29.720 --> 57:38.160]  Then we had Ed Evans, CEO of Stellara Broadband, has been a leader in the wireless industry
[57:38.160 --> 57:39.640]  for 20 years.
[57:39.640 --> 57:45.960]  He's the founder, chairman, and CEO of Stellara Wireless, committed to providing broadband
[57:45.960 --> 57:50.880]  access to rural and underserved towns across the country.
[57:50.880 --> 57:54.920]  Okay, I'm going to go, there's only about five or six panelists per panel.
[57:54.920 --> 58:00.360]  So I want to, I'm going to tell everybody who just, who all the bad guys are.
[58:00.360 --> 58:01.360]  Okay.
[58:01.360 --> 58:02.360]  I'm going to name names here.
[58:02.360 --> 58:03.360]  All right.
[58:03.360 --> 58:08.840]  When we get back on the other side, it's the top of the hour mid-show break.
[58:08.840 --> 58:13.320]  And Gary Johnson, if you could hang with us, if you have time, I'd love to keep you on,
[58:13.320 --> 58:15.960]  if you can stay with us.
[58:15.960 --> 58:17.960]  Okay, great.
[58:17.960 --> 58:19.800]  We'll open the phone lines in a few minutes here.
[58:19.800 --> 58:25.600]  I want to go over these panelists and just get more comments from Gary and Eddie and
[58:25.600 --> 58:26.600]  Randy.
[58:26.600 --> 58:27.600]  So listeners, just sit tight.
[58:27.600 --> 58:28.600]  We'll be right back.
[58:28.600 --> 58:36.200]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, and our very special
[58:36.200 --> 58:44.240]  guest host on this network, Gary Johnson from Live and Smash the State.
[58:44.240 --> 59:06.960]  We'll be right back.
[59:06.960 --> 59:34.760]  We'll be right back.
[59:34.760 --> 01:00:04.520]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:00:04.520 --> 01:00:10.560]  Kibnu Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to former President Carter, says Barack Obama
[01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:16.080]  should tell Israel if they attempt to attack Iran's nuclear weapons sites, the U.S. Air
[01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:18.640]  Force will stop them.
[01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:26.120]  The International Monetary Fund is selling 403 tons of gold worth an estimated $13 billion
[01:00:26.120 --> 01:00:30.160]  to boost its lending capacity to poor countries.
[01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:35.120]  Former Stanley McChrystal, top commander in Afghanistan, has warned he needs more forces
[01:00:35.120 --> 01:00:39.960]  within the next year, and without them, the war will likely result in failure.
[01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:46.280]  McChrystal calls the Taliban a muscular and sophisticated enemy that uses modern propaganda
[01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:52.840]  and systematically reaches into Afghanistan's prisons to recruit members.
[01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:58.400]  Pakistan's former chief of army staff, General Mirza Aslam Beg, says the security company
[01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:04.580]  Blackwater, now known as ZI, was directly involved in the assassinations of former Pakistani
[01:01:04.580 --> 01:01:10.760]  Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.
[01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:17.000]  General Beg told the Saudi Arabian daily Al-Watan, former Pakistani President Pervis Musharraf,
[01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:23.760]  gave Blackwater the green light to carry out terrorist operations in four Pakistani cities.
[01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.280]  General Beg said U.S. officials kept Blackwater's presence in Pakistan secret because they were
[01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.480]  afraid of possible attacks on the U.S. embassy.
[01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:38.080]  Beg said Sunday the U.S. killed Benazir Bhutto in an international conspiracy because she
[01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:43.600]  backed out of the deal through which she returned to the country after nine years in exile.
[01:01:43.600 --> 01:01:50.640]  On September 2, the U.S. Ambassador to Islamabad, Anne Patterson, forced the News International,
[01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:55.680]  one of the largest newspaper groups in Pakistan, to block a column that broke the story of
[01:01:55.680 --> 01:02:00.800]  Blackwater's presence in Pakistan.
[01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:06.240]  Tehran's ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN nuclear watchdog, says
[01:02:06.240 --> 01:02:12.560]  Iran is prepared to pay for a probe into Israel's largely clandestine nuclear industry.
[01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:19.040]  Ali Asghar Sultaniye said Friday Israel's nuclear capabilities are a potential threat
[01:02:19.040 --> 01:02:21.000]  to global security.
[01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:27.920]  Sultaniye also expressed grave concern over Tel Aviv's refusal to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation
[01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:35.040]  Treaty, NPT, thus denying IAEA inspectors access to its atomic installations.
[01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:40.480]  Israel, the world's sixth largest nuclear weapons power, has not heeded international
[01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.240]  calls to join the nuclear treaty.
[01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:49.800]  Sultaniye's remarks came the same day the IAEA passed a resolution urging Israel to
[01:02:49.800 --> 01:03:19.280]  open its nuclear facilities to inspection and sign the NPT.
[01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:26.280]  Get him out of here, hold me up, get hold me up man, we're going to do it here, tell
[01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:32.280]  you that I'm home, you're disturbing me man, what can I do miss, you're getting me mad,
[01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:39.280]  six hour thing, half a dozen, are you all right, say it to me, get my man, ready, come
[01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.280]  get this people.
[01:03:42.280 --> 01:04:02.840]  Okay, we are back, the rule of law.
[01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:10.560]  All right, we're talking about this FCC hearing, if you even want to call it that, they certainly
[01:04:10.560 --> 01:04:12.880]  were not taking public input, that's for sure.
[01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:19.560]  Okay, so I am going over who the panelists are, I'm naming names here, okay, because
[01:04:19.560 --> 01:04:24.480]  this was definitely not on the site, on the website, of course we had the Meredith Baker
[01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:33.640]  FCC commissioner who basically was just sitting there grinning and not saying much and basically
[01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:37.120]  not letting anyone else say anything either from the community.
[01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:43.560]  Okay, so we got Richard McKinnon, CEO of Austin Wireless, the non-profit organization here
[01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:49.400]  that is committed to improving quality and availability of public free Wi-Fi in Austin.
[01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:50.400]  Deborah?
[01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.400]  Yes?
[01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:59.200]  I want to point out as you go through this, notice the buzzwords here, free Wi-Fi, underserved,
[01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:03.760]  these all have meaning, I mean, there is no such thing as free Wi-Fi, but these people
[01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:10.000]  want money for these agendas, so these descriptions actually are very descriptive.
[01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:16.160]  Exactly, and notice it doesn't just say free Wi-Fi, public free Wi-Fi, now whenever you
[01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:26.360]  see public that means government, okay, the government's going to be providing this, okay.
[01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:32.200]  So all right, here we go, Richard is also CEO of Less Networks, a company which provides
[01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:37.520]  commercial grade free, and it capitalized free, so maybe that has some special meaning,
[01:05:37.520 --> 01:05:43.200]  free Wi-Fi solutions to municipalities and private sector retail location.
[01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:49.400]  It's the only free Wi-Fi solution built around a customer relationship management system
[01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:55.660]  that helps venues use Wi-Fi to attract new customers, build repeat business and increase
[01:05:55.660 --> 01:05:58.040]  customer loyalty, blah, blah, blah.
[01:05:58.040 --> 01:06:03.120]  All right, remember what Hitler did right before he took over Germany?
[01:06:03.120 --> 01:06:08.000]  No, I forget what he did.
[01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:18.240]  Well, Eddie, Eddie, all right, speaking of internet troubles, we may have lost Eddie.
[01:06:18.240 --> 01:06:19.240]  Okay.
[01:06:19.240 --> 01:06:21.920]  Nuts easier on the line here.
[01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.880]  I know, oh, we lost Eddie, okay, I'm going to try to get him back, I'm going to try to
[01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:33.720]  get him back, oh goodness, he's probably on Wi-Fi, he's probably using one of these free
[01:06:33.720 --> 01:06:37.320]  public Wi-Fis, no he's not, I'm just kidding.
[01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:43.920]  Well, the thing in listening to that, that particular company didn't provide free Wi-Fi,
[01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:53.060]  they provided solutions to companies, giving them reasons to provide free Wi-Fi and methods,
[01:06:53.060 --> 01:07:06.160]  so that they like, Starbucks, I won't go to Starbucks because, who cares, I'll call them
[01:07:06.160 --> 01:07:13.160]  what I want to because I signed up in Pennsylvania because I really needed to get on the internet
[01:07:13.160 --> 01:07:22.280]  for six bucks and I was annoyed with that, a month later, I got a bill for 120 bucks,
[01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:29.800]  I was not happy, a bill for 120 dollars, and I avoid that company, okay, all right, listen,
[01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.960]  all right, yeah, they scammed you, okay, so let me finish reading about this Richard Gott.
[01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:38.440]  Yeah, I should point out that the first one you were talking about, the Austin wireless,
[01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:47.840]  that is public free, the last one you mentioned is probably private, less networks, yeah,
[01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:56.080]  okay, he's also the CEO for this other company, so he's the president of this non-profit organization
[01:07:56.080 --> 01:08:02.140]  to provide public free Wi-Fi, and then he's also the CEO of Less Networks, a company providing
[01:08:02.140 --> 01:08:07.280]  commercial grade free Wi-Fi, all right, and then it says his community service includes
[01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:13.360]  serving as president of EFF, Electronic Frontier Foundation, board service for the ACLU, and
[01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:18.360]  the Central Texas Civil Liberty Union, oh, he's one of those leftists, okay, all right,
[01:08:18.360 --> 01:08:27.680]  so here we go, the next, Ed Evans, CEO of Stellara Broadband, all right, they're saying
[01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:32.960]  Edward Evans has been a leader in the wireless industry for 20 years, he's the founder, chairman
[01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:40.400]  and CEO of Stellara Wireless, committed to providing broadband access to rural and underserved
[01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:47.760]  towns, there's that other catch word there, okay, we've got to keep the tabs on there,
[01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:57.720]  like they use the smart grid and underserved, and okay, so here we go, next is Tony Prather,
[01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:04.960]  vice president, First American Communications Enterprise, First American Communications
[01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:13.160]  Enterprise, Inc., FACE, and president of all FACE subsidiaries, what do they do, he's also
[01:09:13.160 --> 01:09:21.240]  involved with Comanche County Telephone Company, it's not really saying what they're doing,
[01:09:21.240 --> 01:09:23.600]  what this company is about, apparently it's Telephone.
[01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.480]  He may be the guy who ran the company in the rural area.
[01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:33.520]  Yeah, National Tele, okay, yeah, this has to do with Telephone, he's the chairman, he's
[01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:39.880]  the past chairman of the board of directors of the Texas Telephone Association, and has
[01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:45.640]  been a director of that organization for over 20 years, all right, so he's involved in the
[01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:51.480]  telephone industry, served on the board of directors of the Texas Statewide Telephone
[01:09:51.480 --> 01:09:58.680]  Cooperative, and the National Telecommunications Cooperative, all right, so they got the telephone
[01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:10.960]  people involved here, next is Mark Statue, S-T-A-C-H-I-W, executive vice president, general
[01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:19.080]  counsel, and secretary of Metro PCS, Mark Statue join, okay, let me see, he was formerly
[01:10:19.080 --> 01:10:25.400]  the senior vice president, general counsel, allegiance telecom company worldwide, so this
[01:10:25.400 --> 01:10:36.160]  is another telecom company, Metro PCS, all right, counsel at Paul Hastings, AirTouch
[01:10:36.160 --> 01:10:42.880]  Paging, he was the chief legal officer for Verizon Wireless Messaging Services, okay,
[01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:50.280]  so they're bringing all the telecommunications in, Taran Gupta, vice president, Fiber Tower,
[01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:54.560]  he is the vice president of strategic development for Fiber Tower, responsible for identifying
[01:10:54.560 --> 01:11:01.660]  new initiatives and growth opportunities that leverage Fiber Tower's capabilities network
[01:11:01.660 --> 01:11:09.480]  and national spectrum footprint, okay, spectrum, that was another like key word today, talking
[01:11:09.480 --> 01:11:14.680]  about spectrum, and I guess they were talking about, of the radio waves, where they're going
[01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:21.880]  to be broadcasting, what part of the radio waves, where you get your license from, yes,
[01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:28.440]  about frequencies, okay, and so he's been involved in implementation of new wireless
[01:11:28.440 --> 01:11:36.760]  telecommunications technologies, most recently at TeleGENT, where he was director of engineering,
[01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:44.320]  he worked for Pacific Mobile, okay, so now we've got Gene Crick, executive director,
[01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:49.840]  telecommunity resource center, he's the executive director of the Metropolitan Austin Interactive
[01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:56.360]  Network, the country's oldest community telecommunications network, head of the National Telecommunity
[01:11:56.360 --> 01:12:02.960]  Resource Center, primary author of the new Texas Health Information Network collaborative
[01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:14.280]  project, okay, statewide telehealth network funded by the FCC for $14 million, and director
[01:12:14.280 --> 01:12:20.400]  of government relations and federal programs, okay, so again, they tried to sell us that
[01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:26.800]  this is going to be good for medicine, this is briefly mentioned in there, yes, yes, they
[01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:32.760]  were bringing the medical industry into it somehow, like we'd be able to, you know, access
[01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:39.560]  medical records or, you know, yeah, they were saying like, something about how in hospitals,
[01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:44.160]  where, you know, I guess diagnostic equipment, it's all hooked up with wires, and that it's
[01:12:44.160 --> 01:12:51.640]  all going to be wireless now, it's getting scary, okay, here we go, Mr. Crick has expertise
[01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:58.880]  in current broadband stimulus funding based on, okay, current broadband stimulus funding
[01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:05.960]  based on many years work with departments of commerce, NTIA, agriculture, RUS, as well
[01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:13.720]  as the FCC and the USAC, okay, so here we go, this is more enmeshments between private
[01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:21.920]  industry and federal government, the private-public partnership business, all right, the FCC funded
[01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:33.880]  $14 million to the statewide telehealth network, you know, I'm just livid about this, the federal
[01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:40.640]  government, government in general has no business providing any service or funding a service,
[01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:44.600]  you know, and people are like, well, you know, but it could be a good thing, no, it's never
[01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:49.520]  going to be a good thing, anytime government gets involved with either providing or regulating
[01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:57.200]  services, it leads to nothing but tyranny and government-protected monopolies, okay,
[01:13:57.200 --> 01:14:04.400]  so here we go, Mr. Crick is founding Texas' first free public internet access facilities,
[01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:13.240]  here we go, another with the free public internet, free public internet access for 25 Texas cities
[01:14:13.240 --> 01:14:20.320]  and the Texas Internet Service Providers Association, he's a member of the Texas State Strategic
[01:14:20.320 --> 01:14:27.520]  IT Planning Group, Community Technology Centers Network, Advisory Council, White House Advisory
[01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:36.600]  Group, NSF, Internet Governance Transfer, Advisory Council of the Austin Wireless Association
[01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:42.400]  in the Texas Wireless Summit, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility,
[01:14:42.400 --> 01:14:50.520]  Notice they have their own lobbying organization, the Texas Internet Service Providers Association,
[01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:54.540]  so and that's another thing, Debra, that, you know, some of those people were actually
[01:14:54.540 --> 01:14:58.880]  with various companies and so forth, but a lot of them were, they were representing the
[01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:03.880]  associations and the lobbying groups, absolutely, and it's not just the private companies that
[01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:08.280]  have lobbying groups, the governments have lobbying groups, there's a National Association
[01:15:08.280 --> 01:15:15.800]  of Telecommunication Administrators and they have their own lobbyists and we pay for the
[01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:20.880]  government lobbyists through our taxes, through the fees that the cities and the states pay
[01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:27.320]  to join these lobbying organizations, so there's not just the direct lobbying, there's also
[01:15:27.320 --> 01:15:31.080]  the lobbying by the associations formed for the purpose of lobbying.
[01:15:31.080 --> 01:15:36.000]  This is ridiculous, man, the government lobbies itself and we pay for it.
[01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:44.400]  Even one of the speakers, he mentioned that Verizon was getting out of the land-based
[01:15:44.400 --> 01:15:53.320]  telephone company service and that another major company had to lay off 118 legislators.
[01:15:53.320 --> 01:15:59.800]  Okay, listen to this, yeah, I know, haha, they thought they were real cute today, that's
[01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:05.680]  for sure, they really thought they were cute, okay, listen to this, he was involved with
[01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:12.000]  the Summit Advisory Council for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, gag me, okay, the
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:18.480]  Benton Foundation Telecommunications Policy Development Panel and Rural Policy Research
[01:16:18.480 --> 01:16:25.400]  Institute Telecommunications Panel, he's the advisor of the public and community technology
[01:16:25.400 --> 01:16:31.840]  for the federal government of Australia, okay, telecom, they have their own broadband plan
[01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:35.640]  they're working on there too. Yeah, Community Technology Development and
[01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:41.200]  National Library of New Zealand, he's the architect of Texas Infrastructure Fund Community
[01:16:41.200 --> 01:16:48.960]  Network Grants Program, designed 61 Texas community networks funded by the TIF, chair
[01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:55.200]  for the FCC CAC Working Group on Rural and Underserved Populations, Director of Development
[01:16:55.200 --> 01:16:59.280]  for Software Quality Institute at UT Supercomputer Center.
[01:16:59.280 --> 01:17:07.280]  Okay, so Gary, would you please fill us in a little bit on this Benton Foundation, because
[01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:15.320]  the FCC did not post a notice on their website about this hearing today, they sent a press
[01:17:15.320 --> 01:17:19.680]  release to the Benton Foundation, that was the only place I could find it on the internet,
[01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:25.400]  who the heck is this Benton Foundation? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, I was not as prepared
[01:17:25.400 --> 01:17:30.360]  to answer that I should, the Benton Foundation is, I'd heard of them because I had heard
[01:17:30.360 --> 01:17:36.380]  a little bit about this broadband plan because I went to a cable commission meeting at City
[01:17:36.380 --> 01:17:41.680]  Hall and they talked, I was actually going to talk about public access television, but
[01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:46.920]  they spent much of the meeting talking about the broadband plan and how the city of Austin
[01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:51.760]  was going to apply for grants to get money on the broadband plan and they mentioned the
[01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:58.200]  Benton Foundation in their discussion at the cable commission meeting, so that's really
[01:17:58.200 --> 01:18:03.080]  how I heard about them, and they talked about it as if everybody knows what it is.
[01:18:03.080 --> 01:18:09.920]  Yeah, yeah, scary business. Okay, I'm going to move on, I know this may be taking a while
[01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:15.320]  listeners, but it's really important to understand who these people are involved in these private
[01:18:15.320 --> 01:18:19.540]  public partnerships and as you're saying, Gary, and also in these lobbyist groups and
[01:18:19.540 --> 01:18:25.720]  even government lobbying, you know, and what these people, where they have their finger,
[01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:30.920]  what pies do they have their fingers in, so we can really understand how this all works,
[01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:38.360]  so we can figure out a way to fight it. Okay, so that was the first panel, that was the
[01:18:38.360 --> 01:18:45.200]  panel that was addressing deployment issues and considerations, I mean, listen to the
[01:18:45.200 --> 01:18:52.920]  terminology they use deployment, you know, it's like military terminology, it's not
[01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:56.240]  like, oh, we're going to be implementing this, or we're going to be building an infrastructure
[01:18:56.240 --> 01:19:00.480]  and they're going to be deploying something, you know, like it's a military strategy, I
[01:19:00.480 --> 01:19:07.920]  mean, it's kind of scary, man. Okay, panel two, wireless broadband, the promise, expectations
[01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:23.560]  and implement and implications for the future. And I'm going to be posting this on my on
[01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:28.800]  my website, by the way, I'm going to scan in this handout and post it on the website
[01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:34.600]  so everybody can read about these people. Okay, director technology policy offer of
[01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:40.280]  CTO and Dell. All right, this was the guy that was talking about how they're going to
[01:19:40.280 --> 01:19:47.080]  start building computers to be strictly wireless, everything wireless, no more ethernet ports,
[01:19:47.080 --> 01:19:51.440]  no more hardwired anything. Okay, everything that they're going to do is strictly wireless.
[01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:57.140]  Okay, as director of technology policy, wide responsibility for addressing key public policy
[01:19:57.140 --> 01:20:05.200]  that have issues that affect technology development. Okay, key public policy issues that affect
[01:20:05.200 --> 01:20:13.960]  technology development. All right, see, I have a problem with this, Gary. All right.
[01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:22.900]  Public policy should not be affecting what how private industry develops technology.
[01:20:22.900 --> 01:20:28.440]  That means that the government is controlling the development of technology and how it's
[01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:33.420]  implemented. All right, the public, you know, government shouldn't have anything to do with
[01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:39.720]  private industry. All right, so I'm going to I'm going to move on. He's also responsible
[01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:44.240]  for Dell's technology direction investment in areas of security and client virtualization.
[01:20:44.240 --> 01:20:52.260]  Okay, basically, then they just talk about his just looks like his resume here. But basically,
[01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:56.580]  he was the guy that was talking about how the direction they're going to take in the
[01:20:56.580 --> 01:21:02.160]  actual hardware of the computers itself, and how they're going to make it so they're going
[01:21:02.160 --> 01:21:07.060]  to implement new protocols for networking. So you don't need a router anymore. And it's
[01:21:07.060 --> 01:21:11.700]  everything's going to be wireless. You know, computers will talk directly to each other
[01:21:11.700 --> 01:21:17.720]  and then, you know, across the hall and stuff like that. Okay, Jeff Andrews, associate professor,
[01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:22.940]  Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Texas at Austin. This was the
[01:21:22.940 --> 01:21:32.060]  guy that was talking about the the towers. Okay, he gives his resume. Let's see. Okay,
[01:21:32.060 --> 01:21:36.600]  associate professor, Department of Electrical Engineering. Okay, he is the director of wireless
[01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:44.020]  networking and communications group, UT's Wireless Research Center. He developed code
[01:21:44.020 --> 01:21:51.780]  division, multiple access CDMA systems is an engineer at Qualcomm q u a l c o m m and
[01:21:51.780 --> 01:22:03.980]  has consulted for the WiMAX forum, Microsoft Palm Rico, ADC and the N a s a NASA. All right,
[01:22:03.980 --> 01:22:13.560]  this is the guy that was talking about how he's involved in working on 12 projects that
[01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:20.580]  are funded by government grants. All right, he's a senior member of the IEEE service and
[01:22:20.580 --> 01:22:27.620]  editor for IEEE transition to I'm sorry, transport on wireless communications, WiMAX, he received
[01:22:27.620 --> 01:22:34.820]  the NSF career award. Oh, get this principal investigator of an eight university team of
[01:22:34.820 --> 01:22:41.580]  three faculty in DARPA's information theory for mobile ad hoc network. So the guy it works
[01:22:41.580 --> 01:22:47.180]  for DARPA now. All right. I'm not going to get into what DARPA is all about. Y'all can
[01:22:47.180 --> 01:22:51.620]  look that up. It's that's that's a whole nother shown in of itself. Okay, moving right along
[01:22:51.620 --> 01:22:58.580]  Don Shaver that I've only got like 123 more four more. Okay, Don Shaver, director communications
[01:22:58.580 --> 01:23:03.360]  and medical systems labs, Texas Instruments. Here we go with bringing the medical industry
[01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:10.980]  into this. Don Shaver has been with Texas Instruments for 32 years, both in the TI advanced
[01:23:10.980 --> 01:23:18.220]  development R&D organizations. Okay, he Okay, let's see. Director of TI's communications
[01:23:18.220 --> 01:23:23.980]  and medical systems laboratory. This laboratory drives requirements for next generation TI
[01:23:23.980 --> 01:23:29.580]  semiconductors and embedded processors, develops communications technology used in international
[01:23:29.580 --> 01:23:36.180]  standards. Much of the labs emphasis in recent years has involved broadband cellular wireless
[01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:42.460]  including 3g and 4g. Recently, there has been work in the medical body area networks and
[01:23:42.460 --> 01:23:47.500]  associated standards where TI is uniquely positioned with its ultra low power device
[01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:54.420]  technology. Yeah, right. They're probably involved with RFID. Oh, here we go. Wireline
[01:23:54.420 --> 01:24:02.360]  and wireless communications for the smart grid. In the US and worldwide smart meters
[01:24:02.360 --> 01:24:07.900]  on the power grid and in the home. His laboratory developing technology for the next generation
[01:24:07.900 --> 01:24:21.020]  smart utility network sun being standardized by IEEE 802.15.4g power line communications
[01:24:21.020 --> 01:24:26.780]  wireless use of utilities within the home. Okay, so he's the smart grid guy. And he's
[01:24:26.780 --> 01:24:30.780]  bringing he's bringing the medical industry into this. I remember this guy talking today.
[01:24:30.780 --> 01:24:37.700]  All right, David Walter. Or did you have a comment Gary about this guy? No, I'm doing
[01:24:37.700 --> 01:24:40.700]  research. Okay, all right, very good. I thought you were starting to say something. Okay,
[01:24:40.700 --> 01:24:47.460]  David Walter, executive director radio technology, AT&T architecture and planning, executive
[01:24:47.460 --> 01:24:53.960]  director of the radio technology group at AT&T labs. All right, so directs a team for
[01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:59.540]  enhancement of leading edge radio technologies and architecture in support of AT&T's mobile.
[01:24:59.540 --> 01:25:06.420]  Okay, so this so AT&T is getting in on the deal too. Here we go more private public partnership
[01:25:06.420 --> 01:25:13.180]  business is a steering committee. Here we go for the Austin Wireless Alliance represents
[01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:17.980]  AT&T on the industrial affiliate advisory board for the University of Texas wireless
[01:25:17.980 --> 01:25:25.820]  networking communications group. Man, this is really extreme people. This is what we're
[01:25:25.820 --> 01:25:33.180]  up against. Okay, got two more here Bart bone Bo HN, executive director of the Austin Wireless
[01:25:33.180 --> 01:25:40.660]  Alliance, this is a lobbying group, executive director responsible for identifying promising
[01:25:40.660 --> 01:25:46.020]  early stage companies and providing them with necessary strategic business assistance to
[01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:54.020]  help them achieve growth objectives. Alright, nonprofit organization promoting growth of
[01:25:54.020 --> 01:25:59.740]  the wireless industry in central Texas, and the planning board for mobile Monday, Austin.
[01:25:59.740 --> 01:26:06.220]  Alright, so they want to basically they want to bring this in the with the public private
[01:26:06.220 --> 01:26:12.820]  partnerships. Okay, last one, Dan cooler, CUELAR, executive director and co founder of the Texas
[01:26:12.820 --> 01:26:23.940]  media empowerment project, an independent media maker, musicians, union organizer. Okay,
[01:26:23.940 --> 01:26:30.180]  media action grassroots network. Okay, I really I don't quite understand how this comes into
[01:26:30.180 --> 01:26:38.660]  play. Oh, I get it. Okay, this is this is has to do with representing minorities, okay,
[01:26:38.660 --> 01:26:44.740]  races, genders, as sustaining community media environment, supporting women, people of low
[01:26:44.740 --> 01:26:53.140]  color, low income. Okay, so this is the this is a you know, the excuse right here. Oh,
[01:26:53.140 --> 01:27:00.220]  we've got to do all this to bring the internet to people who haven't been able to afford
[01:27:00.220 --> 01:27:06.300]  it up until this point. And, and in all the groups who have been treated badly, and now
[01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:12.500]  we need to, they're entitled to this service now because of, you know, the way they've
[01:27:12.500 --> 01:27:16.540]  been treated. Right, Gary, go ahead. I'm gonna say just read the last sentence there. Her
[01:27:16.540 --> 01:27:25.740]  media justice vision, media justice vision. Are you where I think you are? Well, wait
[01:27:25.740 --> 01:27:31.660]  a minute, sustaining. Okay, it says, sustain a community media environment that supports
[01:27:31.660 --> 01:27:35.900]  women, people of color, low income people, and other underserved constituencies to access
[01:27:35.900 --> 01:27:42.220]  and create music, media and technology. Yeah, I mean, this is all that includes monitoring
[01:27:42.220 --> 01:27:50.860]  representations of marginalized communities. In, in their documentation, monitoring representations,
[01:27:50.860 --> 01:27:57.100]  they repeatedly mentioned the Americans with disabilities. Now, at the program there, they
[01:27:57.100 --> 01:28:02.420]  were never brought up. But this was what they were harking, saying, Oh, we're helping out
[01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:11.740]  the poor unfortunate. Yeah, exactly. And, and you know, the whole thing about retribution,
[01:28:11.740 --> 01:28:18.540]  and, and, oh, because these groups, they've had, they've been so treated badly and abused
[01:28:18.540 --> 01:28:24.780]  and discriminated against. And so, and so now they're entitled. Well, this money is
[01:28:24.780 --> 01:28:30.380]  not going to go to the groups. This money is going to go to Miss Quail are in their
[01:28:30.380 --> 01:28:35.540]  empowerment project. Right. Right. Exactly. I'm not going to gain. No, the groups are
[01:28:35.540 --> 01:28:39.900]  not going to get anything. Well, they're gonna, they're gonna get the free, the so-called
[01:28:39.900 --> 01:28:45.460]  free access to the internet. I mean, it's like, they're, they're like, this whole thing,
[01:28:45.460 --> 01:28:50.060]  the access to one group and not to everybody. I know exactly. How is that fair? I mean,
[01:28:50.060 --> 01:28:56.300]  the whole thing, this, this whole thing is shrouded and couched in, they're doing this
[01:28:56.300 --> 01:29:00.980]  to help people in rural areas who've never been able to get online. And, and what about
[01:29:00.980 --> 01:29:06.020]  all these people who, who are poor and discriminated against. And we owe it to them. They have
[01:29:06.020 --> 01:29:12.940]  a right. And it's all BS, man. This is all about big, big business and the government
[01:29:12.940 --> 01:29:19.340]  owning and controlling and regulating the content of the internet and, and all these,
[01:29:19.340 --> 01:29:22.660]  you know, thugsters making a whole bunch of money off of it. That's what this whole thing
[01:29:22.660 --> 01:29:28.580]  is about. So that's, that's the panelists. That's what happened today. All right. Comments
[01:29:28.580 --> 01:29:37.580]  guys, Gary. I did a little research on the, the Benton foundation. It's kind of interesting.
[01:29:37.580 --> 01:29:42.380]  I know it's not exactly what you were talking about, but the Benton foundation is a, one
[01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:50.260]  of those foundations, you know, is tax exempt and they're, they are big on the digital divide
[01:29:50.260 --> 01:29:58.260]  and they've got a lot of money. And so that's, you know, they have money, tax free money
[01:29:58.260 --> 01:30:03.380]  to give away. And so that's why everybody's interested in them. It's named after William
[01:30:03.380 --> 01:30:11.900]  Benton. He was a Senator from Connecticut. He defeated Prescott Bush, father of president
[01:30:11.900 --> 01:30:22.100]  George Herbert Walker Bush to get elected. He then was active in the United nations and
[01:30:22.100 --> 01:30:27.300]  was the ambassador to UNESCO. And he was the chairman of the board and publisher of the
[01:30:27.300 --> 01:30:35.780]  encyclopedia Britannica. So very interesting character. So that's what the benton foundation
[01:30:35.780 --> 01:30:41.380]  is that they're a big player and they have a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know,
[01:30:41.380 --> 01:30:50.380]  just to, since we do try to talk about remedies and solutions here, what can we do about this?
[01:30:50.380 --> 01:30:57.220]  You know, like I said, I saw that article about the autonomous auto net auto net and
[01:30:57.220 --> 01:31:04.580]  autonomous internet basically to try to help people learn how to set up their own access
[01:31:04.580 --> 01:31:12.300]  note into directly into the internet to bypass the ISPs and stuff. That was one website that
[01:31:12.300 --> 01:31:21.900]  I saw today. And there's another one that a listener just sent called open mesh. And
[01:31:21.900 --> 01:31:27.460]  I'll post that link, who is open mesh and in this, and I kind of like this even more
[01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:36.960]  than the auto net. The auto net is like setting up dark networks, which can be somewhat dangerous
[01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:45.860]  and prone to, you know, infiltration by, you know, COINTELPRO and such. And, you know,
[01:31:45.860 --> 01:31:49.940]  they have a, it's like, usually it's for people to do nefarious things and they can, it's
[01:31:49.940 --> 01:31:53.740]  kind of hard to deal with. But go ahead, Gary, were you gonna say something? Well, before
[01:31:53.740 --> 01:31:59.840]  we get into that, I'm not sure that it's necessary to do anything, because I think that technology
[01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:06.540]  is already moving forward. If you go to a website is the technology liberation front,
[01:32:06.540 --> 01:32:14.300]  which is techliberation.com. Adam Thayer has a posting from, this is actually January 24th,
[01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:21.300]  2009, in which he quotes a blogger for the New York Times, whose name is right in front
[01:32:21.300 --> 01:32:28.580]  of me, but I can't, Sam Hansel. And he talks about how actually there are new technologies,
[01:32:28.580 --> 01:32:36.260]  one is called DOCSIS3, that is already exists and is already being implemented, that will
[01:32:36.260 --> 01:32:43.940]  make it possible for your internet service right now to be much faster, much better,
[01:32:43.940 --> 01:32:51.060]  and cheaper. And so as this new technology is implemented, all this talk about having
[01:32:51.060 --> 01:32:56.220]  to go to wireless and so forth, he's arguing, it's really kind of pointless. The argument
[01:32:56.220 --> 01:33:00.860]  is column is entitled, does broadband need a stimulus? He says it doesn't, because if
[01:33:00.860 --> 01:33:07.580]  you just let the technology advance, you don't need a stimulus for broadband, it's already
[01:33:07.580 --> 01:33:12.720]  going to improve anyway. If you just wait for the technology to develop, you don't need
[01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:17.720]  some kind of government assistance to begin with. So I'm not sure that we have to reinvent
[01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:22.740]  the wheel or come up with an alternative to begin with. If we just wait a little while,
[01:33:22.740 --> 01:33:25.860]  maybe the new technology will take care of itself.
[01:33:25.860 --> 01:33:32.740]  Well, yeah, and there's already people on it, like you said. And the thing is, it's
[01:33:32.740 --> 01:33:38.220]  good that we found out about this, so that we can implement all this ourselves before
[01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:43.900]  the government gets some big monopoly on it and tricks the whole nation into using them
[01:33:43.900 --> 01:33:50.220]  as the ISP. But I really like this open mesh group. They're a group of volunteers dedicated
[01:33:50.220 --> 01:33:55.660]  to community owned Wi Fi not owned or controlled by any one corporate entity. Their primary
[01:33:55.660 --> 01:34:00.020]  mission is to develop Wi Fi deployment models that are flexible and affordable to work in
[01:34:00.020 --> 01:34:07.660]  low income and developing areas. Okay, so it sounds like a similar goal on the surface
[01:34:07.660 --> 01:34:13.260]  except they want the communities to own it, not the government and the lobbying groups
[01:34:13.260 --> 01:34:18.140]  and these corporations. And so everything that they're doing is open source, the firmware
[01:34:18.140 --> 01:34:27.860]  is open source, platform is open to all manufacturers, owning your own network. And so basically
[01:34:27.860 --> 01:34:33.900]  they're using the best that the open source and closed source community has to offer.
[01:34:33.900 --> 01:34:41.220]  And so this is a really good thing right here. It's like, you know, we just tap in the internet
[01:34:41.220 --> 01:34:46.820]  ourselves like you're saying, Gary, you know, set up our own Wi Fi communities, access points
[01:34:46.820 --> 01:34:51.380]  and stuff. And, you know, just get around these guys, you know, before the World Wide
[01:34:51.380 --> 01:34:55.380]  Web, there was Fido net and all that you can go back a little while and people had their
[01:34:55.380 --> 01:35:01.820]  own network connections that were I don't know if I'd say they were off the grid, but
[01:35:01.820 --> 01:35:07.540]  they weren't the official system. And you, you know, you can connect computers together.
[01:35:07.540 --> 01:35:15.380]  Sure. Sure. It's just a matter of you want it fast. But at any rate, so those are some
[01:35:15.380 --> 01:35:20.620]  solutions there. Gary, maybe you can send me that link and I'll post that on the website.
[01:35:20.620 --> 01:35:26.780]  So you know, we've got the technology liberation front. Yes, the technology liberation front
[01:35:26.780 --> 01:35:31.540]  and we've got open mesh and we've got auto net. So I mean, the open source community
[01:35:31.540 --> 01:35:39.420]  is already on it big time. I mean, you know, the thing is, America is the land of the hackers.
[01:35:39.420 --> 01:35:47.540]  Okay, there are so many geeks out there that are into freedom that it's like I just don't
[01:35:47.540 --> 01:35:53.060]  see how the government's ever really going to be able to take over the internet really.
[01:35:53.060 --> 01:35:56.540]  I mean, they're gonna try and really what they're going to do is that they're going
[01:35:56.540 --> 01:36:01.300]  to do it through trying to offer the best cheapest service and just get people hooked
[01:36:01.300 --> 01:36:09.260]  on that. You know, the free internet, you know, why pay when you can just use the government
[01:36:09.260 --> 01:36:13.940]  internet for free, you know, that's what they're going to do. So we just have to work with
[01:36:13.940 --> 01:36:19.780]  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The market is there by the you know, by them, Chris eventually
[01:36:19.780 --> 01:36:28.420]  collapses with that worked out pretty good. Yeah, we can expect government control of
[01:36:28.420 --> 01:36:33.980]  the internet to work out about as well. Right, right. Well, I'm going to open the phone lines
[01:36:33.980 --> 01:36:43.020]  now callers if y'all want to call in and comment on this 512-646-1984. So, you know, we've
[01:36:43.020 --> 01:36:48.580]  been wondering, it's been the big conspiracy theory, how is the government going to take
[01:36:48.580 --> 01:36:53.540]  over the internet? How are they going to try? So now we know they laid out the whole plan
[01:36:53.540 --> 01:37:01.420]  for us today at this FCC broadband field hearing, the first of three that are scheduled is another
[01:37:01.420 --> 01:37:09.300]  one in Washington, DC, and then another one in South Carolina. So any comments, Randy?
[01:37:09.300 --> 01:37:15.700]  I think the best thing we can do is encourage our states to struggle to get back their state
[01:37:15.700 --> 01:37:23.860]  rights. I liked what Larry Bradshaw said last suggested last Friday is that we go after
[01:37:23.860 --> 01:37:32.900]  the inner the IRS in the state and get our legislators to throw the Fed out to stop paying
[01:37:32.900 --> 01:37:42.580]  the Fed all of this taxes that they're funneling into the Fed that's illegal. And keep that
[01:37:42.580 --> 01:37:48.100]  tax in the state where they can. Right now they're they're sending the money to the feds
[01:37:48.100 --> 01:37:52.980]  and the feds are doling it back out. Well, stop sending it to the feds and dole it out
[01:37:52.980 --> 01:37:59.020]  yourself. Yeah, no kidding. I think that's a good argument. Now I don't like telling
[01:37:59.020 --> 01:38:04.360]  the states to tax me to death. But if somebody is going to tax me to death, I want someone
[01:38:04.360 --> 01:38:15.100]  closer to home. It's easier to reach his throat. But there is a lot of animosity toward the
[01:38:15.100 --> 01:38:22.780]  Fed and the Fed's overreaching tactics with all these states passing 10th Amendment resolutions
[01:38:22.780 --> 01:38:29.900]  and with states passing laws to to specifically exempt the feds from acting under certain
[01:38:29.900 --> 01:38:37.980]  conditions. I think the time may be right to show that the IRS has been taxing state
[01:38:37.980 --> 01:38:43.660]  citizens when they're not authorized to and ask the states to say, hey, stop. We keep
[01:38:43.660 --> 01:38:48.260]  that at home. That's state money. We get that money. Not you. Now, that's something you
[01:38:48.260 --> 01:38:54.620]  can get a politician to do. Getting him to take on the Fed just to be taken on the Fed
[01:38:54.620 --> 01:38:59.340]  is one thing. But if you get him to to take on the Fed so he can spend the money the Fed's
[01:38:59.340 --> 01:39:05.620]  been spending, now we've got something that could actually happen. And then if we have
[01:39:05.620 --> 01:39:13.620]  a major problem with the funding, then it's in the state. The bureaucracy is not so large
[01:39:13.620 --> 01:39:22.380]  and the constituency is more accessible. And that's the way it was intended. So we might
[01:39:22.380 --> 01:39:30.040]  look at encouraging our legislators to look at all of the money they can keep. And once
[01:39:30.040 --> 01:39:35.940]  we start out the FCC and the rest of these guys, it won't be so much of a problem.
[01:39:35.940 --> 01:39:42.420]  Well, you know my input. Normally, I don't think there's anything wrong with a federal
[01:39:42.420 --> 01:39:48.140]  employee that a bag of cement and a deep pool of water won't fix.
[01:39:48.140 --> 01:39:52.260]  Eddie. The cement overshoes?
[01:39:52.260 --> 01:39:57.740]  I'm just dead set in my ways. You know, I think we need this big political tidal wave
[01:39:57.740 --> 01:40:02.980]  to wash all the filth down the sewers and let's start cleaning it up correctly. This
[01:40:02.980 --> 01:40:08.460]  piece milling it back together is just not going to work. I mean, if it only takes one
[01:40:08.460 --> 01:40:14.260]  bad apple to corrupt the entire barrel, what does that say about politics?
[01:40:14.260 --> 01:40:20.740]  Well, if we can start doing the same thing they're doing, we have the Fed in here throwing
[01:40:20.740 --> 01:40:25.500]  money around. So it may be time for us to do the same thing. We don't have any money
[01:40:25.500 --> 01:40:32.380]  to throw around. Yeah, we do. We're giving the Fed a lot of money. I'm not. I don't have
[01:40:32.380 --> 01:40:41.780]  any money to give them. As a population, this may be actually a political maneuver we can
[01:40:41.780 --> 01:40:48.300]  use to encourage these things our legislators might not have thought of. Look at all the
[01:40:48.300 --> 01:40:55.960]  money they get if they stop the Fed from collecting all this IRS tax and taking it to the Fed.
[01:40:55.960 --> 01:41:00.860]  And once the Fed's not so highly funded, they won't have all this money to be doling out.
[01:41:00.860 --> 01:41:09.900]  Yeah, but Randy, you're working on the assumption that it's a dual entry accounting system where
[01:41:09.900 --> 01:41:13.500]  they take taxes from us and then that exact same money they offer it back. That's not
[01:41:13.500 --> 01:41:18.700]  how it works. I mean, that's not how the banking system works. I mean, the money that the federal
[01:41:18.700 --> 01:41:25.860]  government dangles like a carrot in front of the local governments and the state governments
[01:41:25.860 --> 01:41:33.380]  really doesn't come from our taxes. They just make it up. They just print it up. They just
[01:41:33.380 --> 01:41:39.600]  fractionalize it. They monetize more debt. They're just making it up. It's like Bill
[01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:47.720]  Veath's analogy, like if you're playing Monopoly and one guy has an endless supply of Monopoly
[01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:54.780]  money under the table and no one else does, he's going to eventually end up owning everything
[01:41:54.780 --> 01:41:58.980]  and putting everyone else out of business. That's what's going on.
[01:41:58.980 --> 01:42:06.340]  At this point, I don't care where the money comes from. At this point, I'm looking to
[01:42:06.340 --> 01:42:15.760]  give the state a reason to take back its sovereignty. I understand about the money system. But if
[01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:22.980]  we take the power away from the Fed and bring it back into the state, the Fed will have
[01:42:22.980 --> 01:42:30.300]  less power to destroy the world around us. What else do we do to stand back here?
[01:42:30.300 --> 01:42:36.560]  Well, I think also these FOIAs, like what Greg was talking about with his guest art
[01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:45.700]  the other night, FOIA, the GSA, to get a list of all federal properties that are inside
[01:42:45.700 --> 01:42:50.080]  the state boundaries. He was talking about land that's been ceded to the government and
[01:42:50.080 --> 01:42:55.220]  for people that have standing on different issues to push the point about the Fed's not
[01:42:55.220 --> 01:43:02.980]  having jurisdiction. That's also another way to go about it too, and pressure the politicians.
[01:43:02.980 --> 01:43:11.500]  That's a direction that I'm looking to take with the FCC in showing that they only have
[01:43:11.500 --> 01:43:20.260]  jurisdiction over interstate transmission, not in trust state. If my transmission doesn't
[01:43:20.260 --> 01:43:25.820]  cross the state line, the Fed has nothing to say about it. And in reading through the
[01:43:25.820 --> 01:43:34.620]  charter, the charter legislation and the actual rules for the FCC, it all goes to interstate.
[01:43:34.620 --> 01:43:39.700]  Okay, listen, we're going to break. We've got one more segment. Callers, if you'd like
[01:43:39.700 --> 01:43:46.580]  to call in, 512-646-1984. You can comment on these topics or if you want to bring up
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[01:45:04.620 --> 01:45:22.340]  Hello. Oh, man. You're in jail. You got busted, man. Oh, man, I'm broke, dude.
[01:45:22.340 --> 01:45:35.860]  Some things in this world, I will never understand. Some things, I realize fully. Somebody's on
[01:45:35.860 --> 01:45:50.900]  a police, a policeman. Somebody's on a police, a bully. There's always a room at the top
[01:45:50.900 --> 01:45:58.700]  of a building. They know that if they don't do it, somebody will. Some things in this
[01:45:58.700 --> 01:46:05.580]  world, I will never understand. Some things, I realize fully.
[01:46:05.580 --> 01:46:09.900]  We are back. We've got our final segment and we have got a caller on the line. We've got
[01:46:09.900 --> 01:46:16.220]  Chess from South Dakota. He's one of our affiliates. Chess, you're one of our AM affiliates. You're
[01:46:16.220 --> 01:46:21.060]  re-broadcasting us up there. How's it going? What's on your mind tonight?
[01:46:21.060 --> 01:46:25.300]  Pretty well. Thanks. This is an excellent subject. I actually, I sent you email on this
[01:46:25.300 --> 01:46:31.060]  just now, but I worked for eight years for Southwestern Bell Wireless and then it became
[01:46:31.060 --> 01:46:34.660]  another Southwestern Bell name, then Singular, and then I also worked for AT&T there in the
[01:46:34.660 --> 01:46:41.860]  Dallas-Fort Worth area. In fact, I put up 700 of the sites in that area. When I moved
[01:46:41.860 --> 01:46:48.260]  up here, I noticed something else was going on. I found out here in Sioux Falls, we have
[01:46:48.260 --> 01:46:55.060]  a unique broadband system that's in testing that could be one of these things. You talked
[01:46:55.060 --> 01:46:59.460]  about how broadband is kind of hard to pick up in places.
[01:46:59.460 --> 01:47:04.660]  You know how Alex Jones, he always says they always make their announcements after a deployment
[01:47:04.660 --> 01:47:09.540]  has already been done, making it sound like we're just asking questions, fielding questions.
[01:47:09.540 --> 01:47:14.300]  Well, up here, I've talked to the people that run this system. It's out of South Africa.
[01:47:14.300 --> 01:47:19.180]  It's called the iBurst system, and it uses these proprietary antennas. They're called
[01:47:19.180 --> 01:47:26.180]  smart antennas. On top of a water tower, there'll be 12 antennas in a radius, and you actually
[01:47:26.180 --> 01:47:35.060]  have, unlike a broadband card or a GSM or a Verizon wireless-type receiver, this is
[01:47:35.060 --> 01:47:41.220]  more reliable because the antennas change their gain based on where you are located,
[01:47:41.220 --> 01:47:44.140]  and it works better than Wi-Fi.
[01:47:44.140 --> 01:47:49.460]  How would the antenna know where you are, unless you're transmitting back?
[01:47:49.460 --> 01:47:57.180]  Yeah, you're transmitting back. It identifies the proprietary signal, the BATO code or whatever
[01:47:57.180 --> 01:48:02.180]  they use, and then that, then it zeroes in on you. But the funny thing is, is I asked
[01:48:02.180 --> 01:48:05.820]  them, I said, this is such a great technology. How come, I said, it's only in Sioux Falls,
[01:48:05.820 --> 01:48:10.540]  because I was traveling around, and they said, yep, that South African company is doing the
[01:48:10.540 --> 01:48:14.420]  testing here, and it's supposed to go to Minneapolis next. Well, then I went back and talked to
[01:48:14.420 --> 01:48:18.740]  them. They said, nope, they're no longer going to deploy this across the rest of the country,
[01:48:18.740 --> 01:48:20.180]  and I thought that was strange.
[01:48:20.180 --> 01:48:21.180]  Why?
[01:48:21.180 --> 01:48:27.460]  Well, their excuse was, well, the demands for higher speed are higher now, and we're
[01:48:27.460 --> 01:48:33.300]  going to come out with a newer system that'll allow for higher speeds, but it didn't seem
[01:48:33.300 --> 01:48:38.740]  like the guy was being honest to me about that. At the same time, though, in this area,
[01:48:38.740 --> 01:48:45.380]  this is the headquarters for USGS, the Geological Survey System, so all your satellite photos,
[01:48:45.380 --> 01:48:47.700]  everything, come right through here before anywhere else.
[01:48:47.700 --> 01:48:48.700]  Wow.
[01:48:48.700 --> 01:48:55.540]  And this is also where they build all those high-altitude balloons, a place called Aerotech,
[01:48:55.540 --> 01:49:00.340]  which is a subsidiary of Raven. A lot of weird stuff is going on up here, but as far as that
[01:49:00.340 --> 01:49:04.580]  wireless thing, I also worked, when I worked for Singular at the time of the Southwestern
[01:49:04.580 --> 01:49:11.340]  Belt Wireless, every three years, they would spend millions of dollars on these vendors,
[01:49:11.340 --> 01:49:15.180]  new technologies. They knew this stuff was only going to be around for two or three years,
[01:49:15.180 --> 01:49:20.380]  but we were always replacing frames and radios and network controllers. It was a constant
[01:49:20.380 --> 01:49:24.260]  thing, and I always wondered, who has the money to keep investing in this stuff, to
[01:49:24.260 --> 01:49:34.140]  keep churning it in and out? And what it was, it was just like a foundation to get the greatest
[01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:39.860]  minds out there to create new products and projects, but there was no life, longevity
[01:49:39.860 --> 01:49:40.860]  to it.
[01:49:40.860 --> 01:49:44.220]  So what's the point? Then why?
[01:49:44.220 --> 01:49:45.220]  It's research.
[01:49:45.220 --> 01:49:46.220]  Just for research.
[01:49:46.220 --> 01:49:52.180]  Cryogenic filters, you know, Randy, does that sound familiar? You know what that is?
[01:49:52.180 --> 01:49:53.180]  Freezing?
[01:49:53.180 --> 01:49:55.660]  No, okay, like in the middle of Dallas.
[01:49:55.660 --> 01:49:56.660]  It's super-cooled.
[01:49:56.660 --> 01:50:05.580]  Yeah, extremely cold filters to help narrow the band of the transmit. Well, we were using
[01:50:05.580 --> 01:50:10.980]  TDMA, old technology stuff. There was no reason for that. This one filter cost about a million
[01:50:10.980 --> 01:50:16.700]  and a half dollars. It used nitrogen to keep it cool, and they were testing this in Dallas
[01:50:16.700 --> 01:50:20.380]  on the TDMA systems, and I was like, there's no way anybody's ever going to buy this. What
[01:50:20.380 --> 01:50:24.940]  is the point? But I saw tons of that. I was always the guy that watched the installs. I
[01:50:24.940 --> 01:50:31.940]  had to unlock the door, and just tons of that equipment was being tested. I mean, time after
[01:50:31.940 --> 01:50:32.940]  time.
[01:50:32.940 --> 01:50:40.860]  The thing about those things, that kind of research, is they're well aware that out of
[01:50:40.860 --> 01:50:50.500]  these very expensive research projects, some really incredible answers come that extend
[01:50:50.500 --> 01:50:51.500]  to every place.
[01:50:51.500 --> 01:50:58.660]  Yeah, that they can have the government protect the monopoly of later on down the line.
[01:50:58.660 --> 01:51:04.700]  If they don't do primary research, they won't be able to keep up because someone else is
[01:51:04.700 --> 01:51:05.700]  doing primary research.
[01:51:05.700 --> 01:51:06.700]  Why are they doing this research?
[01:51:06.700 --> 01:51:07.700]  Well, super-cooled technology.
[01:51:07.700 --> 01:51:11.060]  This has to be funded by the government.
[01:51:11.060 --> 01:51:15.180]  I mean, we're talking about a lot of money. Nokia, you know...
[01:51:15.180 --> 01:51:16.180]  This is military.
[01:51:16.180 --> 01:51:20.980]  Most people think Nokia is just a little handheld phone, but they had a huge research center
[01:51:20.980 --> 01:51:25.740]  up there in Dallas with a big old cafeteria and shops, and all these people from all around
[01:51:25.740 --> 01:51:31.060]  the world were deploying. They use that term, deploy, by the way. You hear that all the
[01:51:31.060 --> 01:51:34.380]  time. Just all sorts of new products that the public didn't see, and we were always
[01:51:34.380 --> 01:51:39.100]  in these... They had these zig-ziggler things to kind of get you real energized for the
[01:51:39.100 --> 01:51:40.100]  future.
[01:51:40.100 --> 01:51:45.660]  Take a step back. I was in the Texas National Guard, too, and I was also a ham operator
[01:51:45.660 --> 01:51:51.300]  in the late 80s. We had the same technology with the packet radio switch system as the
[01:51:51.300 --> 01:51:54.700]  National Guard was using with these. They called them node controller switches. I was
[01:51:54.700 --> 01:52:03.460]  in the signal core part there. In 1987, in the back of a balling alley, I had a packet
[01:52:03.460 --> 01:52:08.540]  switch system hooked up. I talked to somebody in Japan over the Internet then. That was
[01:52:08.540 --> 01:52:15.300]  totally different technology than that phytonet, but if you could get a ham guy on, they can
[01:52:15.300 --> 01:52:19.860]  talk about the technology. I don't know. I lost track of it, but in Austin and Dallas,
[01:52:19.860 --> 01:52:24.460]  there's some people there that really know how to do this over the airwaves as a backup
[01:52:24.460 --> 01:52:27.660]  system. I just wanted to throw that out. I thought you guys may find a subject on that
[01:52:27.660 --> 01:52:28.660]  later on.
[01:52:28.660 --> 01:52:35.300]  Thank you, Ches. Awesome. Awesome. And thanks for rebroadcasting us up there, too, on your
[01:52:35.300 --> 01:52:36.300]  AM network.
[01:52:36.300 --> 01:52:39.980]  Yeah, it's going real well. We're always improving little pieces of that.
[01:52:39.980 --> 01:52:40.980]  It's awesome.
[01:52:40.980 --> 01:52:41.980]  Okay.
[01:52:41.980 --> 01:52:42.980]  All right. Good deal.
[01:52:42.980 --> 01:52:43.980]  Have a good night.
[01:52:43.980 --> 01:52:44.980]  All right. Thanks, Ches.
[01:52:44.980 --> 01:52:50.780]  All right. A good friend, Ches. One of the AM guys.
[01:52:50.780 --> 01:52:51.780]  Go ahead.
[01:52:51.780 --> 01:52:56.060]  Personally, if I wanted to see something super cool and kept on ice, it would be most of
[01:52:56.060 --> 01:52:59.060]  the government officials.
[01:52:59.060 --> 01:53:04.660]  Yeah, really. Okay. We've got another caller here on the line. We've got Ted from Texas.
[01:53:04.660 --> 01:53:09.300]  Ted, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind?
[01:53:09.300 --> 01:53:15.340]  I always thought those people that were trying to get rural, whatever, broadband or whatever,
[01:53:15.340 --> 01:53:21.660]  were good guys. Of course, you know, if you're not exposed to a lot, you don't get to hear
[01:53:21.660 --> 01:53:25.060]  the details or think about it a lot.
[01:53:25.060 --> 01:53:31.180]  It's all for research and development so that they can bring the wireless into the cities
[01:53:31.180 --> 01:53:35.420]  and control the internet access of the masses.
[01:53:35.420 --> 01:53:44.260]  And I heard you say earlier what happens if it becomes wireless in the form of control?
[01:53:44.260 --> 01:53:45.940]  Is it a different law?
[01:53:45.940 --> 01:53:51.740]  Well, the FCC regulates the airwaves, or at least they claim that they have jurisdiction
[01:53:51.740 --> 01:53:56.900]  to but it's looking like they really don't. But yeah, the whole point of that's why Randy
[01:53:56.900 --> 01:54:04.580]  confronted the FCC commissioner today, you know, and I was going to do the same thing.
[01:54:04.580 --> 01:54:12.020]  I ended up leaving early. But yeah, the whole point of all of this is to get the internet
[01:54:12.020 --> 01:54:18.900]  out of the hard lines and into the air so that the FCC can regulate it so that the government
[01:54:18.900 --> 01:54:23.180]  can control the internet and regulate it. They can't regulate it right now because it's
[01:54:23.180 --> 01:54:28.180]  all in hard lines owned by private companies. But once it gets on the air, that's how the
[01:54:28.180 --> 01:54:31.660]  government is going to try to seize control of it.
[01:54:31.660 --> 01:54:33.820]  Because it's a broadcast.
[01:54:33.820 --> 01:54:41.060]  Because it's on the air, because it's a radio transmission. Anything, any kind of transmission
[01:54:41.060 --> 01:54:47.740]  is the FCC claims that they have authority to regulate. It'll be a radio frequency, just
[01:54:47.740 --> 01:54:54.580]  like a radio station like an AM or an FM station. I mean, you're people that have wireless routers
[01:54:54.580 --> 01:55:01.340]  in their house. The FCC has jurisdiction over that they, according to what they claim is
[01:55:01.340 --> 01:55:06.380]  their authority, they can enter your house at any time to examine the equipment. See,
[01:55:06.380 --> 01:55:12.260]  the FCC claims that they have jurisdiction over the airwaves and that's how they get
[01:55:12.260 --> 01:55:17.220]  to the equipment. They don't need warrants because they have access and jurisdiction
[01:55:17.220 --> 01:55:21.980]  to all equipment that transmits a radio frequency.
[01:55:21.980 --> 01:55:25.100]  Yeah, let them show up at my house for that excuse.
[01:55:25.100 --> 01:55:31.620]  Yeah, well, that was my point. If we're going to get control back, if we can encourage the
[01:55:31.620 --> 01:55:38.540]  states to take the feds, the FCC, the rest of them and throw them out of the state and
[01:55:38.540 --> 01:55:44.180]  say if this is a matter of transmitting across state lines, then you can talk to these people.
[01:55:44.180 --> 01:55:49.940]  You got somebody in Austin or in Dallas who's transmitting and his transmitting mission
[01:55:49.940 --> 01:55:54.460]  doesn't reach the state lines? Or you got a guy with a wireless here that's transmitting
[01:55:54.460 --> 01:56:01.220]  wireless to the local community and not across state lines? No, you're business.
[01:56:01.220 --> 01:56:06.900]  The whole thing about this wireless internet and the reason that these companies are working
[01:56:06.900 --> 01:56:13.860]  with the FCC, they want the FCC to regulate this because that means the government will
[01:56:13.860 --> 01:56:17.220]  protect their monopoly. I'm sorry, go ahead, Gary.
[01:56:17.220 --> 01:56:23.860]  I was just going to say, one place to study this is electricity. Texas has an electric
[01:56:23.860 --> 01:56:29.420]  grid that's completely within Texas. There are two other electric grids that are roughly
[01:56:29.420 --> 01:56:35.500]  the west half of the US and the east half of the US, but Texas is very careful all the
[01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:42.820]  utilities not to cross the state into Oklahoma line in order to avoid federal regulation
[01:56:42.820 --> 01:56:45.820]  and they seem to have gotten away with that up until now.
[01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:50.460]  Wow. Interesting. Good place to find precedent.
[01:56:50.460 --> 01:56:54.460]  The FCC hasn't hassled y'all or maybe they have. I don't know.
[01:56:54.460 --> 01:57:03.620]  I'm an internet. I run an internet network. The FCC controls radio transmissions. I run
[01:57:03.620 --> 01:57:11.820]  and produce a network. I produce an internet stream. The FCC can't touch me because I'm
[01:57:11.820 --> 01:57:17.660]  not a radio station. You can't touch us yet. That's the problem.
[01:57:17.660 --> 01:57:33.140]  The FCC has to do with regulating radio energy transmissions on the air, not hard line inside
[01:57:33.140 --> 01:57:40.100]  cables and hard lines and stuff like that. Those are not radio energy transmissions and
[01:57:40.100 --> 01:57:45.340]  it doesn't even really have to do with broadcasting. When we talk about broadcasting, we think
[01:57:45.340 --> 01:57:54.340]  of media and information and audio and video, but what the FCC is there for, their charter,
[01:57:54.340 --> 01:58:04.940]  the statute that put them in place, is to regulate energy, radio energy transmissions,
[01:58:04.940 --> 01:58:13.420]  radio frequencies. It's like a little star. It's broadcasting a slice of plasma. It's
[01:58:13.420 --> 01:58:20.060]  emanating energy. It doesn't matter what's actually on that frequency. That's what the
[01:58:20.060 --> 01:58:25.900]  deal is. That's why they want to get the internet onto the radio, into the air so that the government
[01:58:25.900 --> 01:58:30.860]  can regulate it there. Okay. Hey, let's get Randy a cryogenic beer
[01:58:30.860 --> 01:58:36.420]  cooler. You don't like that, huh? Okay. Awesome. All right, Gary, thank you so much
[01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:39.940]  for joining us tonight. Thank you, Debra.
[01:58:39.940 --> 01:58:47.940]  All right. All right. Catch Gary's show on Sundays at 8 p.m. Live and Let Live here on
[01:58:47.940 --> 01:59:01.240]  Lewis Law Radio Network.
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