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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.720]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:05.720 --> 00:11.680]  Myanmar's junta has granted amnesty to 7,100 convicts, but it was not known if they included
[00:11.680 --> 00:13.600]  political detainees.
[00:13.600 --> 00:18.600]  The UN estimates the regime holds more than 2,200 political prisoners, though the government
[00:18.600 --> 00:21.680]  insists all detainees are criminals.
[00:21.680 --> 00:27.720]  The US will donate 10 percent of its supply of swine flu vaccine to the World Health Organization
[00:27.720 --> 00:30.280]  for use in low income countries.
[00:30.280 --> 00:35.040]  Eight other countries are also making donations.
[00:35.040 --> 00:41.400]  In Mogadishu, suicide attackers used vehicles with UN logos to carry out a deadly double
[00:41.400 --> 00:42.760]  car bombing.
[00:42.760 --> 00:45.680]  An unknown number of UN peacekeepers was killed.
[00:45.680 --> 00:51.480]  Al-Shabaab, the Islamist militia with ties to Al-Qaeda, claimed responsibility for the
[00:51.480 --> 00:55.120]  attack.
[00:55.120 --> 01:01.160]  British Prime Minister Gordon Brown Thursday urged EU leaders to back an audacious plan
[01:01.160 --> 01:06.640]  for a new system of world economic government in which the G20, an international monetary
[01:06.640 --> 01:12.440]  fund, would be empowered to tell major economies how they should tailor national policies to
[01:12.440 --> 01:15.520]  secure sustainable international growth.
[01:15.520 --> 01:21.600]  Brown outlined his plan to EU leaders in Brussels where an agreed strategy, including a cap
[01:21.600 --> 01:27.360]  on executive bonuses, was being hammered out ahead of the G20 summit in Pittsburgh next
[01:27.360 --> 01:28.360]  week.
[01:28.360 --> 01:33.920]  Brown's proposal is his latest attempt to urge world leaders to recognize that international
[01:33.920 --> 01:39.880]  coordination of the major economy's fiscal policies is essential to prevent a repetition
[01:39.880 --> 01:42.640]  of the disastrous global slump.
[01:42.640 --> 01:49.080]  Brown's plan appears to sanction new intrusions by a permanent G20 secretariat into individual
[01:49.080 --> 01:51.080]  nation states.
[01:51.080 --> 01:55.880]  Brown claimed world stimulus packages had saved 4 million jobs in the major economies
[01:55.880 --> 02:01.440]  this year and may save 5 million next year.
[02:01.440 --> 02:07.160]  Researchers have found nearly 45,000 people die in the US each year largely because they
[02:07.160 --> 02:10.480]  lack health insurance and cannot get good care.
[02:10.480 --> 02:16.040]  Dr. David Himmelstein, associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said we're losing
[02:16.040 --> 02:20.520]  more Americans every day than drunk driving and homicide combined.
[02:20.520 --> 02:26.920]  Overall, researchers said American adults under age 64 who lack health insurance have
[02:26.920 --> 02:31.040]  a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with coverage.
[02:31.040 --> 02:36.320]  The findings come amid fierce debate over Democrats' efforts to reform the nation's
[02:36.320 --> 02:43.400]  $2.5 trillion health care industry by expanding coverage and reducing health care costs.
[02:43.400 --> 02:49.400]  Barack Obama has made the overhaul a top priority, but his plan has been slowed by intense political
[02:49.400 --> 02:54.360]  battles in Congress, with the insurance and health care industries fighting some parts
[02:54.360 --> 02:55.360]  of the plan.
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[03:23.920 --> 03:42.800]  I received my remedy today, came in a box, just like the state, I accepted it for value
[03:42.800 --> 03:43.800]  right away.
[03:43.800 --> 03:44.800]  It's not sooner, not later.
[03:44.800 --> 03:55.800]  We are originators, and the pathway seems to get straighter every day.
[03:55.800 --> 04:00.800]  And I can take anything that belongs to me and put it to good use.
[04:00.800 --> 04:09.800]  But I was good for the gander, gonna work the goose.
[04:09.800 --> 04:16.800]  I know some architects, I know some engineers.
[04:16.800 --> 04:23.800]  They've seen the evidence, they know something seems sweet.
[04:23.800 --> 04:26.800]  What's up with the blatant deception?
[04:26.800 --> 04:30.800]  What is the nature of what you might gain?
[04:30.800 --> 04:38.800]  I see something headed straight for you, I think it looks just like a train.
[04:38.800 --> 04:45.800]  It sounds like a sham or something, I can see them fling fast and loose.
[04:45.800 --> 05:12.800]  But I was good for the gander, gonna work the goose.
[05:12.800 --> 05:29.800]  I was looking for a level to play field, so I could perfect my best game.
[05:29.800 --> 05:36.800]  The truth becomes just like a shield, especially when we call out your name.
[05:36.800 --> 05:43.800]  Oh my God, fraud is just a fraud, let's recall it up and bring it to shame.
[05:43.800 --> 05:51.800]  The choir we use to deflect an abuse, defended from eternal pain.
[05:51.800 --> 05:58.800]  We need a holy answer, before we start calling truth.
[05:58.800 --> 06:07.800]  But I was good for the gander, gonna work the goose.
[06:07.800 --> 06:29.800]  It sounds like a sham or something, I can see them fling fast and loose.
[06:29.800 --> 06:44.800]  But I was good for the gander, gonna work the goose.
[06:44.800 --> 07:02.800]  Okay, we are back.
[07:02.800 --> 07:06.800]  We are speaking with Tim in Texas.
[07:06.800 --> 07:09.800]  Okay, Tim, go ahead, you had one more question for our guest.
[07:09.800 --> 07:12.800]  Okay, just as a brief statement before I had my question,
[07:12.800 --> 07:16.800]  about a year and a half ago I was about four or five months into my education
[07:16.800 --> 07:21.800]  and I actually submitted a challenge to my employer that I was not an employee,
[07:21.800 --> 07:25.800]  which kind of made its way up to the ranks in the company.
[07:25.800 --> 07:28.800]  I still got my job, thank goodness, so that was good.
[07:28.800 --> 07:33.800]  And then Larry, as you were talking earlier tonight about some of these discovery
[07:33.800 --> 07:35.800]  or some of these documents that you were going after,
[07:35.800 --> 07:38.800]  these pamphlets or publications that were disappearing,
[07:38.800 --> 07:42.800]  I mean that just reeks of conspiracy to no end.
[07:42.800 --> 07:46.800]  It just really is disturbing that this stuff is going on.
[07:46.800 --> 07:48.800]  Just a general comment there.
[07:48.800 --> 07:54.800]  My main question now though is how can we obtain possibly a list of discovery
[07:54.800 --> 07:59.800]  documents that we need to obtain so that we can begin a systematic approach
[07:59.800 --> 08:02.800]  to gathering all the information?
[08:02.800 --> 08:06.800]  And what I mean by that is whatever publications we need to get and read up on,
[08:06.800 --> 08:11.800]  whatever the D.C. law that you were talking about or D.C. code,
[08:11.800 --> 08:17.800]  how can we start acquiring all this information and educate ourselves and others?
[08:17.800 --> 08:22.800]  Okay, we'll get your reading glasses on because there's 27,000 pages of it.
[08:22.800 --> 08:26.800]  It's called the Internal Revenue Manual.
[08:26.800 --> 08:32.800]  And if you'll go to IRS.gov and find the Internal Revenue Manual in there
[08:32.800 --> 08:37.800]  and open that thing up, it will keep you busy for a long time.
[08:37.800 --> 08:42.800]  I'm not sure that I've read it all yet and I've been at it for over 10 years.
[08:42.800 --> 08:48.800]  But you'll find all of those forms in there that are specific to different situations
[08:48.800 --> 08:50.800]  that you might find yourself in.
[08:50.800 --> 08:55.800]  The Internal Revenue Service is a form-driven operation of law,
[08:55.800 --> 09:01.800]  meaning that everything they do there must be a paper form that is completed
[09:01.800 --> 09:03.800]  and put into the record.
[09:03.800 --> 09:09.800]  And, of course, they're trying to get away from that with the automated systems now.
[09:09.800 --> 09:14.800]  But I'm not sure that they can completely get away from it.
[09:14.800 --> 09:16.800]  They still have to print it off the computer.
[09:16.800 --> 09:22.800]  There's still a form that may be on a computer format, but they'll have to print it off.
[09:22.800 --> 09:29.800]  But the reason that you want to go after these documents, even though they are sanitized,
[09:29.800 --> 09:34.800]  I don't care if they're sanitized or not because what I'm going to do with those documents
[09:34.800 --> 09:41.800]  is when I go into court, I will show the jury or the judge that the records that they have,
[09:41.800 --> 09:45.800]  the administrative file that they have is different than what they sent to me
[09:45.800 --> 09:49.800]  and what they have done then is committed a fraud on the court.
[09:49.800 --> 09:56.800]  And when a fraud is committed on the court, it deprives the court of subject matter jurisdiction.
[09:56.800 --> 09:59.800]  The case is over.
[09:59.800 --> 10:04.800]  Do you have case law to that particular point?
[10:04.800 --> 10:05.800]  Pardon me?
[10:05.800 --> 10:09.800]  Do you have case law to that point that when a fraud is perpetrated,
[10:09.800 --> 10:14.800]  it deprives the court of jurisdiction?
[10:14.800 --> 10:25.800]  Anytime fraud is committed on the court, that is something that is done to interfere with the mechanism,
[10:25.800 --> 10:36.800]  the workings of the judicial system in regard to offering or causing to be offered a determination
[10:36.800 --> 10:38.800]  is fraud on the court.
[10:38.800 --> 10:44.800]  And when that happens and it's called to the attention of the court, they've got serious problems.
[10:44.800 --> 10:48.800]  Now we see in a lot of cases that judges will blow it off.
[10:48.800 --> 10:54.800]  But when the judges blow it off, that means that you have to take it upstairs to the higher court.
[10:54.800 --> 10:58.800]  And if you just walk away and let it alone, well then they've won.
[10:58.800 --> 11:03.800]  But you have to file an interlocutory appeal and take it up to the appellate court.
[11:03.800 --> 11:06.800]  Now understand that this is all expensive.
[11:06.800 --> 11:12.800]  When you go up to the appellate court, it's going to cost you a bundle because in Florida here,
[11:12.800 --> 11:17.800]  I think we're required to send nine copies of everything that goes up there.
[11:17.800 --> 11:21.800]  The Supreme Court case that we're working on right now is 40 copies.
[11:21.800 --> 11:28.800]  So the paperwork is really intense, but they know that.
[11:28.800 --> 11:33.800]  And they know that if they put you in a position where you've got to spend more money, more time,
[11:33.800 --> 11:39.800]  more energy, and it's a real pain in the rear to do, that there's a chance that you won't do it.
[11:39.800 --> 11:41.800]  And if you don't do it, they win.
[11:41.800 --> 11:46.800]  So we've got to go after those documents.
[11:46.800 --> 11:56.800]  And what I tell people to begin with is that if you're not ready to take this thing to the Supreme Court,
[11:56.800 --> 12:00.800]  then forget it and go back to work and leave it alone.
[12:00.800 --> 12:06.800]  If you're not ready to fight this battle, then lay your gun down and go home.
[12:06.800 --> 12:12.800]  Because I guarantee you it will take a lot of years off your life,
[12:12.800 --> 12:20.800]  just the mental anguish that you will go through every time you get a bad ruling from the court
[12:20.800 --> 12:27.800]  or when you get a document back that the district council denies everything that you ask.
[12:27.800 --> 12:32.800]  And there's a lot of stress that goes on.
[12:32.800 --> 12:37.800]  It will probably cause a rift in your marriage.
[12:37.800 --> 12:42.800]  I mean, this is the kind of stuff that really destroys lives.
[12:42.800 --> 12:46.800]  So what we need is people that have the intestinal fortitude
[12:46.800 --> 12:50.800]  and the financial ability to take these cases on.
[12:50.800 --> 12:53.800]  And that's hard to find.
[12:53.800 --> 12:57.800]  But I encourage you to at least go after the document.
[12:57.800 --> 13:00.800]  Once you see the documents, you see what you get back,
[13:00.800 --> 13:03.800]  and you say, how does anybody make anything out of this?
[13:03.800 --> 13:07.800]  And then what I want you to do is to call up the Internal Revenue Service
[13:07.800 --> 13:11.800]  and say, hey, I need to come down and view my file.
[13:11.800 --> 13:17.800]  Now, if you're not in a litigation, you may get some flack on that,
[13:17.800 --> 13:19.800]  and they may not even have the file.
[13:19.800 --> 13:21.800]  It might be in ten different locations.
[13:21.800 --> 13:25.800]  But once litigation has started, once you file a petition for the tax court,
[13:25.800 --> 13:30.800]  then they have to compile that record and send it to the district council.
[13:30.800 --> 13:35.800]  At that point in time, she has the whole or he has the whole thing in front of him.
[13:35.800 --> 13:39.800]  And now you can see the entire file.
[13:39.800 --> 13:43.800]  So go after those documents.
[13:43.800 --> 13:48.800]  I encourage people to call them up and make friends with the IRS officers
[13:48.800 --> 13:50.800]  and stuff like that.
[13:50.800 --> 13:55.800]  Understand that some of these officers for the IRS do not know
[13:55.800 --> 13:58.800]  that they are breaking the law.
[13:58.800 --> 14:02.800]  They are told, you do this, you do that, you do it this way and this,
[14:02.800 --> 14:04.800]  and don't ask any questions.
[14:04.800 --> 14:06.800]  And some of them, that's all they do.
[14:06.800 --> 14:10.800]  And they honestly believe that they are just doing their job.
[14:10.800 --> 14:17.800]  And I have seen IRS officers quit after they've seen the truth.
[14:17.800 --> 14:19.800]  And there's a lot of them.
[14:19.800 --> 14:23.800]  But we've got to get in there.
[14:23.800 --> 14:28.800]  The first thing is don't make an enemy out of these people.
[14:28.800 --> 14:32.800]  Just see them right off the bat as being just somebody that's doing a job.
[14:32.800 --> 14:35.800]  And what you're trying to do is solve a problem.
[14:35.800 --> 14:38.800]  And the problem is that you're not getting correct information
[14:38.800 --> 14:42.800]  or they're asking for something that they don't have a right to ask for,
[14:42.800 --> 14:45.800]  which is in most cases your money.
[14:45.800 --> 14:50.800]  But we need to tear down some of the barriers, I believe,
[14:50.800 --> 14:54.800]  between the IRS officers and our staffs.
[14:54.800 --> 15:00.800]  It's the old saying, you catch more flies with sugar than you do with salt.
[15:00.800 --> 15:04.800]  And I turn to freedom with respect.
[15:04.800 --> 15:07.800]  I tell them what I want, why I want it.
[15:07.800 --> 15:10.800]  And I use facts.
[15:10.800 --> 15:12.800]  I use the law.
[15:12.800 --> 15:17.800]  I don't come up with, I don't use some of these theories that,
[15:17.800 --> 15:21.800]  while I may agree with them, my name and all capital letters and those things,
[15:21.800 --> 15:23.800]  I do not bring those things up.
[15:23.800 --> 15:25.800]  And there's a reason for it.
[15:25.800 --> 15:27.800]  If you'll go to the Internal Revenue Manual,
[15:27.800 --> 15:34.800]  you'll find a list of all of the frivolous issues that have been presented to the court.
[15:34.800 --> 15:37.800]  So the court has ruled on that this is frivolous.
[15:37.800 --> 15:39.800]  So don't bring it up anymore.
[15:39.800 --> 15:41.800]  And if you bring up those issues,
[15:41.800 --> 15:48.800]  they're going to immediately put you in a category of some idiot,
[15:48.800 --> 15:51.800]  and they won't talk to you.
[15:51.800 --> 15:56.800]  And if they say, well, that's frivolous, well, then ask them politely,
[15:56.800 --> 15:59.800]  and you show me the court case that ruled on that
[15:59.800 --> 16:03.800]  and said that particular issue that I just asked you about is frivolous.
[16:03.800 --> 16:05.800]  And you'll find most of the time that they won't.
[16:05.800 --> 16:10.800]  They'll say, well, I don't know.
[16:10.800 --> 16:14.800]  Larry, just one last question real quick, and I'll get off to the next caller.
[16:14.800 --> 16:17.800]  Since a lot of people can't take this on,
[16:17.800 --> 16:23.800]  is there anything that the rest of us can do to help with this effort and this cause?
[16:23.800 --> 16:24.800]  Absolutely.
[16:24.800 --> 16:28.800]  That's the greatest question I've heard tonight.
[16:28.800 --> 16:32.800]  Fighting this battle is just like any other war.
[16:32.800 --> 16:38.800]  It takes people who will move forward and do the work,
[16:38.800 --> 16:42.800]  those people can't do the work unless they are funded.
[16:42.800 --> 16:45.800]  It costs a lot of money to fight these battles.
[16:45.800 --> 16:49.800]  And some of the people who have the ability to go into court
[16:49.800 --> 16:56.800]  and will stand up to these things, they don't have the money to file a lawsuit.
[16:56.800 --> 17:02.800]  And we need to build an organization where we can pool money
[17:02.800 --> 17:06.800]  and literally develop a war chest, if you will,
[17:06.800 --> 17:10.800]  and have it available for those people who will step up and say,
[17:10.800 --> 17:13.800]  listen, if I had the money, I'll do this.
[17:13.800 --> 17:23.800]  And at the same time, we need to provide the expert advice to these people.
[17:23.800 --> 17:25.800]  We need to teach them.
[17:25.800 --> 17:33.800]  And one thing I do here in Florida is twice a month I teach for our workshop on courtroom law
[17:33.800 --> 17:37.800]  and how to put the evidence into record and what you're doing in there,
[17:37.800 --> 17:42.800]  how to object, when to object, these sort of things.
[17:42.800 --> 17:49.800]  And this is something that we have got to get people up to speed on.
[17:49.800 --> 17:54.800]  If you've been in a courtroom, you know how brutal it is.
[17:54.800 --> 17:59.800]  We do carry out little scenarios every once in a while,
[17:59.800 --> 18:05.800]  and what I really want to do is actually set up a courtroom in some area
[18:05.800 --> 18:12.800]  where we can go in and have a prosecutor and a defense person
[18:12.800 --> 18:17.800]  and let's write up a mock case and you guys go in there and battle it out.
[18:17.800 --> 18:22.800]  And you'll learn then how to handle yourself in a court.
[18:22.800 --> 18:29.800]  You'll desensitize yourself to the aura of the courtroom.
[18:29.800 --> 18:34.800]  And once you do that, the biggest part of the battle is over with.
[18:34.800 --> 18:38.800]  Most people walk in a courtroom and everything, you know, goes out the window.
[18:38.800 --> 18:43.800]  Your knees get weak and, you know, you always start shaking.
[18:43.800 --> 18:46.800]  It still happens to me and I've been there several times.
[18:46.800 --> 18:54.800]  But we need to teach people how to represent themselves.
[18:54.800 --> 19:00.800]  Larry, are you familiar with Dr. Graves, Dr. Frederick Graves?
[19:00.800 --> 19:01.800]  I am.
[19:01.800 --> 19:03.800]  Jurisdictionary.
[19:03.800 --> 19:10.800]  He has a show, he does a spot on our network every Monday.
[19:10.800 --> 19:16.800]  Do you have a jurisdictionary club or meeting there?
[19:16.800 --> 19:19.800]  We don't have one here.
[19:19.800 --> 19:30.800]  I talked to Dr. Graves several years ago and I elected not to use his information
[19:30.800 --> 19:33.800]  just for personal reasons.
[19:33.800 --> 19:38.800]  We had a criminal case going on here that I had asked him to intervene in
[19:38.800 --> 19:42.800]  and I didn't like the answer that I got from him.
[19:42.800 --> 19:47.800]  And so I have, and I really don't need, you know, I've studied all of the books.
[19:47.800 --> 19:49.800]  I've got the same books that he uses.
[19:49.800 --> 19:51.800]  It is a great primer.
[19:51.800 --> 19:53.800]  I know a lot of people around it use it.
[19:53.800 --> 19:54.800]  He sells the stuff.
[19:54.800 --> 19:56.800]  It's fairly inexpensive to get a hold of.
[19:56.800 --> 19:58.800]  It's good.
[19:58.800 --> 20:00.800]  He's got a doctorate in law.
[20:00.800 --> 20:02.800]  He knows what he's doing.
[20:02.800 --> 20:06.800]  He doesn't have a whole lot of sympathy for the patron community.
[20:06.800 --> 20:12.800]  He is selling the stuff to make money off of, not to necessarily to help us import.
[20:12.800 --> 20:21.800]  And even though he will say that, but I found that when the rubber mace met the road,
[20:21.800 --> 20:26.800]  he wasn't going to help us out any.
[20:26.800 --> 20:31.800]  Well, I found him to be very civil court oriented.
[20:31.800 --> 20:35.800]  He had no experience in criminal law.
[20:35.800 --> 20:37.800]  That's right.
[20:37.800 --> 20:42.800]  And so that was, you know, for me he wasn't helpful criminally,
[20:42.800 --> 20:46.800]  but procedurally he was great.
[20:46.800 --> 20:49.800]  Understand that the civil procedures,
[20:49.800 --> 20:54.800]  there's not a lot of difference between civil procedures and criminal and civil.
[20:54.800 --> 20:59.800]  There are some differences in there and you'll need to go into those particular states
[20:59.800 --> 21:04.800]  and whether you're in state or federal court, you need to study those particular rules.
[21:04.800 --> 21:08.800]  Before you get there, but from what I see,
[21:08.800 --> 21:15.800]  most of our encounters with the government is in a criminal forum.
[21:15.800 --> 21:23.800]  Even the administrative proceedings when they file a notice of deficiency against you
[21:23.800 --> 21:26.800]  and attempt to assess a tax against you,
[21:26.800 --> 21:30.800]  that is in essence the same thing as a criminal complaint.
[21:30.800 --> 21:38.800]  So the procedures are closer related to criminal procedures than they are civil.
[21:38.800 --> 21:45.800]  And you have the same rights as under the criminal procedures that you have in the administrative.
[21:45.800 --> 21:53.800]  So I spend more time with the criminal procedures than I do civil.
[21:53.800 --> 21:55.800]  Okay, Tim, did you have anything else?
[21:55.800 --> 21:58.800]  Because we've got a lot of callers stacking up on the board here.
[21:58.800 --> 22:01.800]  Just that I thank you, Larry and Deborah and Randy.
[22:01.800 --> 22:04.800]  I hope you get this guy back on here again from time to time.
[22:04.800 --> 22:05.800]  All right, thank you.
[22:05.800 --> 22:07.800]  Thank you for everything. Bye-bye.
[22:07.800 --> 22:13.800]  Okay, let's go now to we've got Jim in Ohio who's been waiting for a very long time.
[22:13.800 --> 22:15.800]  Jim, thank you for calling in.
[22:15.800 --> 22:19.800]  What's your question for our guest?
[22:19.800 --> 22:20.800]  Good evening.
[22:20.800 --> 22:22.800]  This is wonderful, wonderful information.
[22:22.800 --> 22:25.800]  Oh, my golly, it's empowering.
[22:25.800 --> 22:30.800]  I'm the guy who's shaking in his boots because I'm moving ahead on my level,
[22:30.800 --> 22:35.800]  just beginning the process, and I don't know completely where I'm going with it.
[22:35.800 --> 22:37.800]  I'm taking it a step at a time, but I'm acting.
[22:37.800 --> 22:39.800]  It's time to act.
[22:39.800 --> 22:45.800]  It's time for the individual sovereign American to begin to act,
[22:45.800 --> 22:49.800]  even if you have to step out over a cliff.
[22:49.800 --> 22:51.800]  You've got to begin the process somewhere
[22:51.800 --> 22:55.800]  and then hope through all the wonderful information that's coming from you,
[22:55.800 --> 23:02.800]  Deborah and Randy and company and from Larry and from Peter Eric Hendrickson
[23:02.800 --> 23:07.800]  as another good primer, I think you would – would you agree with that, Larry?
[23:07.800 --> 23:10.800]  Absolutely.
[23:10.800 --> 23:14.800]  I would suggest avoid the cliff.
[23:14.800 --> 23:17.800]  Find you a somewhat more gentle slope.
[23:17.800 --> 23:20.800]  Yeah, I agree also.
[23:20.800 --> 23:26.800]  So I work two part-time jobs for two, one large national corporation
[23:26.800 --> 23:33.800]  and one now international corporation since I've entered into the third year with that outfit.
[23:33.800 --> 23:36.800]  That's the first one that I send a letter to,
[23:36.800 --> 23:44.800]  and my question this evening is in regard to points in the code that I use to say,
[23:44.800 --> 23:50.800]  without my permission, I'm rescinding permission for you to withhold from me.
[23:50.800 --> 23:55.800]  But before I touch on that and ask the question based on those points in the code,
[23:55.800 --> 23:59.800]  the conversation as it's ensued while I've been waiting on the line,
[23:59.800 --> 24:01.800]  and going back to the very beginning,
[24:01.800 --> 24:07.800]  you talked about the way where people are jurisdictionally drawn in through a trust,
[24:07.800 --> 24:12.800]  and I wonder whether the trust of all trusts is used by the federal government
[24:12.800 --> 24:19.800]  to try to pull us in meeting the IRS – or excuse me, meeting Social Security.
[24:19.800 --> 24:21.800]  I believe that's correct.
[24:21.800 --> 24:26.800]  I believe that they've – they're trying to – they've set up a trust fund,
[24:26.800 --> 24:33.800]  which the – I believe the IRS collection officers, when they collect the money,
[24:33.800 --> 24:38.800]  they put it into a trust, and it's transferred into the Treasury financial system,
[24:38.800 --> 24:41.800]  and that's your tax blast too.
[24:41.800 --> 24:51.800]  And I think that a lot of that money is – in fact, it is collected as an income tax.
[24:51.800 --> 24:56.800]  You'll find that 1401 is the self-employed section there,
[24:56.800 --> 25:03.800]  and that money is deposited or is collected as an income tax.
[25:03.800 --> 25:09.800]  And when it's – it's actually not an income tax because it is Social Security and FUTA,
[25:09.800 --> 25:12.800]  but they collected it as an income tax,
[25:12.800 --> 25:15.800]  and I believe that they did that deliberately to obscure it,
[25:15.800 --> 25:21.800]  and they also had to do that in order to give it to jurisdiction and tax court,
[25:21.800 --> 25:27.800]  because tax court does not have jurisdiction to entertain employment tax issues
[25:27.800 --> 25:31.800]  other than a determination of employment status.
[25:31.800 --> 25:38.800]  So I believe this is part of the fraud that was committed by even our Congress
[25:38.800 --> 25:45.800]  to write this laws in such a way and to allow the Internal Revenue Service
[25:45.800 --> 25:48.800]  to collect an employment tax as an income tax.
[25:48.800 --> 25:51.800]  It really throws everybody off.
[25:51.800 --> 25:59.800]  But that's yet another point there.
[25:59.800 --> 26:01.800]  Now, let's flip my mind what it was.
[26:01.800 --> 26:07.800]  What you first started talking about I was going to respond to.
[26:07.800 --> 26:10.800]  Let me form that question, and then we'll go –
[26:10.800 --> 26:13.800]  that will probably take you back to what you were going to say
[26:13.800 --> 26:15.800]  once I form the question having to do with the letter.
[26:15.800 --> 26:17.800]  But one more point on Social Security.
[26:17.800 --> 26:23.800]  At this late date in the scheme of things, we realized that Social Security,
[26:23.800 --> 26:31.800]  the last thing Social Security is for a retirement fund.
[26:31.800 --> 26:33.800]  It was never meant to be that.
[26:33.800 --> 26:34.800]  We know that now.
[26:34.800 --> 26:38.800]  And all of their frauds are on so many different levels,
[26:38.800 --> 26:42.800]  the things that they use it for and the things that they do to try to make us –
[26:42.800 --> 26:47.800]  the Social Security system made us all sub-S corporations and so on and so forth.
[26:47.800 --> 26:53.800]  And it's crystal clear that this is why they've done this,
[26:53.800 --> 27:02.800]  and that's to try to – through making us a recipient of a federal-level program that they draw us in.
[27:02.800 --> 27:06.800]  One thing, I just remember now what it was I was going to respond to there.
[27:06.800 --> 27:10.800]  You said that you are now working for an international company?
[27:10.800 --> 27:12.800]  Yeah, it's become international.
[27:12.800 --> 27:14.800]  It was an American –
[27:14.800 --> 27:17.800]  Okay, let me be real clear about this.
[27:17.800 --> 27:21.800]  If the company that you're working for is under treaty with the federal government,
[27:21.800 --> 27:26.800]  then you are squarely under the jurisdiction of the Internal Revenue Service.
[27:26.800 --> 27:31.800]  Anybody who is under contract with the federal government –
[27:31.800 --> 27:32.800]  I'm a contract –
[27:32.800 --> 27:34.800]  Needs to pay their taxes.
[27:34.800 --> 27:37.800]  Exactly, I'm a contract employee.
[27:37.800 --> 27:42.800]  If it's an international organization and you're coming under contract under a treaty,
[27:42.800 --> 27:44.800]  the treaty is actually a contract.
[27:44.800 --> 27:47.800]  But you would be considered as a federal vendor,
[27:47.800 --> 27:51.800]  and I would suggest that you pay your federal taxes.
[27:51.800 --> 27:56.800]  Yeah, well that's – that was one of the big questions about what I've already entered into
[27:56.800 --> 27:59.800]  and whether I should cease and desist.
[27:59.800 --> 28:05.800]  I was told by a couple people passing information on a national level
[28:05.800 --> 28:09.800]  that keeping it extremely low-key – if I wanted to move forwards,
[28:09.800 --> 28:13.800]  keeping it extremely low-key and just filing for my money back,
[28:13.800 --> 28:20.800]  the way Mr. Hendrickson has done himself and has fostered people into doing.
[28:20.800 --> 28:27.800]  But I think you're right, and I think I'm toast in that arena.
[28:27.800 --> 28:34.800]  I need to get the heck out of that arena and get back working in this country.
[28:34.800 --> 28:36.800]  First of all, I agree.
[28:36.800 --> 28:40.800]  What you brought up – I'm just absolutely thrilled that you brought that up
[28:40.800 --> 28:42.800]  because we might have missed that.
[28:42.800 --> 28:46.800]  Let it be real clear that I did not advocate anybody that is under contract
[28:46.800 --> 28:48.800]  with the federal government to stop paying income tax
[28:48.800 --> 28:51.800]  because what will happen is you'll go to prison,
[28:51.800 --> 28:53.800]  and ain't nothing anybody can do about it.
[28:53.800 --> 28:59.800]  The first thing I advise people to do is discover who your employer is.
[28:59.800 --> 29:03.800]  If your employer is under contract with the federal government
[29:03.800 --> 29:06.800]  and if you have an objection to paying taxes,
[29:06.800 --> 29:11.800]  you need to find a different employer because if you are under jurisdiction
[29:11.800 --> 29:14.800]  with the federal government and you stop paying,
[29:14.800 --> 29:17.800]  then you probably will wind up in jail.
[29:17.800 --> 29:22.800]  So as we talk about these things, sometimes we forget to mention that.
[29:22.800 --> 29:29.800]  But any international companies, you're working under a treaty
[29:29.800 --> 29:31.800]  for the federal government.
[29:31.800 --> 29:39.800]  Well, now look at what they've done with NAFTA and GATT and all of those things.
[29:39.800 --> 29:41.800]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[29:41.800 --> 29:44.800]  So do you have any more questions, Jim?
[29:44.800 --> 29:45.800]  I do very much.
[29:45.800 --> 29:47.800]  I've got two or three other questions.
[29:47.800 --> 29:49.800]  Okay, all right, and try to make them brief on the other side
[29:49.800 --> 29:52.800]  because we have a whole lot of callers.
[29:52.800 --> 29:54.800]  Okay, so you're welcome to hang on.
[29:54.800 --> 29:55.800]  We'll be right back.
[29:55.800 --> 29:57.800]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Ellie Craig.
[29:57.800 --> 30:01.800]  We'll be right back.
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[31:01.800 --> 31:29.800]  I won.
[31:29.800 --> 31:32.800]  I won.
[31:32.800 --> 31:40.800]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[31:40.800 --> 31:47.800]  You must refuse your nose, also I've been lied.
[31:47.800 --> 31:50.800]  Okay, we are back.
[31:50.800 --> 31:53.800]  All right, we are speaking with Jim in Ohio.
[31:53.800 --> 31:57.800]  Okay, Jim, go ahead. You had a couple more questions?
[31:57.800 --> 32:01.800]  I'm going to boil it down to one, but I wanted to say one more thing
[32:01.800 --> 32:08.800]  about this crucial point about an international company.
[32:08.800 --> 32:12.800]  As our country continues to become an international community,
[32:12.800 --> 32:27.800]  this is why we're being purchased outright.
[32:27.800 --> 32:31.800]  We're being involved through the government and through these treaties
[32:31.800 --> 32:34.800]  in such a way in the World Trade Organization and the United Nations
[32:34.800 --> 32:39.800]  to the point that it's hard to find a company that doesn't have
[32:39.800 --> 32:44.800]  the kind of international scope that could bring it jurisdiction over us
[32:44.800 --> 32:48.800]  from the United States.
[32:48.800 --> 32:52.800]  Do you feel that as I'm feeling it right now?
[32:52.800 --> 32:56.800]  I think what you need to do is to go on the Internet
[32:56.800 --> 33:00.800]  and do some research on the company.
[33:00.800 --> 33:03.800]  Generally, you can find out through the stock exchange
[33:03.800 --> 33:09.800]  or one of the different types of research who the company is
[33:09.800 --> 33:14.800]  and whether it's incorporated in a state
[33:14.800 --> 33:17.800]  or whether it's incorporated by the federal government.
[33:17.800 --> 33:20.800]  As I understand it right now, there's over 7,000 private corporations
[33:20.800 --> 33:24.800]  that's either wholly owned or controlled by the federal government,
[33:24.800 --> 33:27.800]  but they don't tell you who they are.
[33:27.800 --> 33:31.800]  So you have to do a little research to find out who these people are.
[33:31.800 --> 33:36.800]  Of course, that's part of their scam to keep everybody believing
[33:36.800 --> 33:39.800]  that they owe federal income tax.
[33:39.800 --> 33:45.800]  They want to keep it under the presumption that everybody owes federal income tax
[33:45.800 --> 33:49.800]  and that the 1040 form is the form to fill out.
[33:49.800 --> 33:54.800]  So that's the reason they don't want this information out.
[33:54.800 --> 33:58.800]  But they started to give you just a little bit of background on it.
[33:58.800 --> 34:02.800]  The federal government started incorporating businesses within the states
[34:02.800 --> 34:05.800]  back in the 1800s and 1867.
[34:05.800 --> 34:08.800]  The licensed tax cases went to the Supreme Court.
[34:08.800 --> 34:12.800]  The Supreme Court said that the federal government cannot license an entity
[34:12.800 --> 34:15.800]  within the states for the purpose of taxing it.
[34:15.800 --> 34:20.800]  So under that opinion from the Supreme Court,
[34:20.800 --> 34:25.800]  we can start to divide this thing down and understand the jurisdiction.
[34:25.800 --> 34:27.800]  That's an important point.
[34:27.800 --> 34:31.800]  Well, the one final small question from a previous caller
[34:31.800 --> 34:34.800]  speaking about trader business,
[34:34.800 --> 34:40.800]  and you spoke eloquently on the idea of includes.
[34:40.800 --> 34:50.800]  But can't that be disassembled from the point that what is included
[34:50.800 --> 34:53.800]  means that everything else that isn't mentioned is excluded,
[34:53.800 --> 34:56.800]  and we're not mentioned in there?
[34:56.800 --> 35:00.800]  Well, but that's exactly what it means.
[35:00.800 --> 35:03.800]  The word includes is a word of art in law,
[35:03.800 --> 35:07.800]  and the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that the inclusion of one
[35:07.800 --> 35:10.800]  is the exclusion of all others.
[35:10.800 --> 35:14.800]  There has to be specific wording in the use of includes
[35:14.800 --> 35:19.800]  before it can be allowed to be expansive beyond the things listed.
[35:19.800 --> 35:22.800]  And Pete Hendrickson's work says that we're not in there.
[35:22.800 --> 35:24.800]  We're not included.
[35:24.800 --> 35:28.800]  So very, very narrowly defined as what's included.
[35:28.800 --> 35:30.800]  So that hurts them.
[35:30.800 --> 35:32.800]  That don't help them.
[35:32.800 --> 35:37.800]  What actually happens there, guys, is that while that is exactly right,
[35:37.800 --> 35:41.800]  the Supreme Court has made that holding,
[35:41.800 --> 35:44.800]  but you still are going to have to argue that in court.
[35:44.800 --> 35:52.800]  And what it did is it gives the judges a loophole that they can capitalize on
[35:52.800 --> 35:57.800]  that forces you to go up to the appellate court if you don't like the way they rule.
[35:57.800 --> 36:04.800]  And so there's a lot of legal theories out here that we can hang our hat on,
[36:04.800 --> 36:12.800]  but these corrupt judges will find all they need is just a little bit of an opening,
[36:12.800 --> 36:16.800]  and they'll make it wide enough that anybody can walk through it.
[36:16.800 --> 36:22.800]  So to just say that the Supreme Court only includes, does exclude, that's exactly right.
[36:22.800 --> 36:29.800]  But what I've seen in actuality is the judge will say, well, you know, prove it.
[36:29.800 --> 36:32.800]  And the president proves it's a real tough burden.
[36:32.800 --> 36:34.800]  That's where I break into my list.
[36:34.800 --> 36:37.800]  Well, let me get to the straight then and then pose it as a question on the record
[36:37.800 --> 36:41.800]  and realizing that I'm then going to have to go to the appellate level.
[36:41.800 --> 36:42.800]  That's right.
[36:42.800 --> 36:44.800]  You've got to get it on the record.
[36:44.800 --> 36:49.800]  And you've got to be prepared, and that's what I teach in my workshops.
[36:49.800 --> 36:52.800]  You've got to be prepared for whatever this judge is going to throw at you
[36:52.800 --> 36:55.800]  because I guarantee he's going to try to cut you off the knees.
[36:55.800 --> 37:03.800]  And if you're not prepared when you walk in there, you'll crawl out.
[37:03.800 --> 37:04.800]  Thank you so much.
[37:04.800 --> 37:11.800]  And I look forward to the template that you're talking about that will allow us to put
[37:11.800 --> 37:16.800]  information in and go forward in a stronger way.
[37:16.800 --> 37:19.800]  That's something we're working on right now.
[37:19.800 --> 37:24.800]  It's going to be a while before I get it off of my desk unless I can get somebody
[37:24.800 --> 37:31.800]  else around the country to take the information I have and to build that template.
[37:31.800 --> 37:34.800]  You know, time is, I just don't have very much of it.
[37:34.800 --> 37:37.800]  I work about 18, 20 hours a day.
[37:37.800 --> 37:41.800]  And just we're trying to keep up with the workload that I have right now.
[37:41.800 --> 37:45.800]  But that is on the plate here to get out.
[37:45.800 --> 37:51.800]  I'm hoping I can get Richard going forth to participate in maybe drafting that
[37:51.800 --> 37:55.800]  template with the information that we have.
[37:55.800 --> 38:00.800]  But that's in the works.
[38:00.800 --> 38:03.800]  Well, may God richly bless you for your work.
[38:03.800 --> 38:09.800]  This is all for the power of God and for the magnifying of His name and our Lord
[38:09.800 --> 38:13.800]  and Savior, Jesus Christ, who is the King of the universe under which we have
[38:13.800 --> 38:19.800]  become sovereign princes and princesses in this nation under our founding
[38:19.800 --> 38:20.800]  documents.
[38:20.800 --> 38:24.800]  Let us all keep that in mind, the Holy Spirit in all of us.
[38:24.800 --> 38:25.800]  God bless you all.
[38:25.800 --> 38:53.800]  Good night.
[38:53.800 --> 38:59.800]  Hello?
[38:59.800 --> 39:02.800]  Go ahead, Matt.
[39:02.800 --> 39:05.800]  What's your question for our guest, Matt?
[39:05.800 --> 39:07.800]  Yeah, I couldn't hear you guys for a second there.
[39:07.800 --> 39:08.800]  Okay, go ahead.
[39:08.800 --> 39:10.800]  What's your question for our guest?
[39:10.800 --> 39:15.800]  So there's been a number of people that have called in that are in support of
[39:15.800 --> 39:18.800]  Pete Hendrickson's work, and I've been one of them.
[39:18.800 --> 39:24.800]  And the unfortunate situation that a lot of us who have filed according to the
[39:24.800 --> 39:30.800]  code as it's written in law are finding ourselves with frivolous filing charges
[39:30.800 --> 39:32.800]  that we're having to defend ourselves against.
[39:32.800 --> 39:40.800]  And there's, you know, and the responses that were sent back is what we'll
[39:40.800 --> 39:45.800]  actually say, well, specifically, what court rulings can you identify that
[39:45.800 --> 39:52.800]  filed with my filing, which would make my filing frivolous, and they're just
[39:52.800 --> 39:54.800]  completely ignoring everything.
[39:54.800 --> 40:01.800]  Because there hasn't been any judicial ruling based off of anything relative to
[40:01.800 --> 40:02.800]  cracking the code yet.
[40:02.800 --> 40:04.800]  They're just saying it's frivolous because it's frivolous because it's
[40:04.800 --> 40:05.800]  frivolous.
[40:05.800 --> 40:12.800]  And so I'm curious, Larry, what you would do in that situation as far as how
[40:12.800 --> 40:17.800]  you would handle these bogus assertions of frivolous filing?
[40:17.800 --> 40:19.800]  It's a good question.
[40:19.800 --> 40:25.800]  What I do, and I'm actually, that's on my plate right now in my own case.
[40:25.800 --> 40:33.800]  I was in a meeting just not long ago with the IRS officer and her supervisor,
[40:33.800 --> 40:39.800]  and with a series of questions I asked, the answer was I don't have to tell you
[40:39.800 --> 40:42.800]  that's your interpretation, it's all frivolous.
[40:42.800 --> 40:48.800]  Now, the response to that is I drafted a letter and sent it back, and I
[40:48.800 --> 40:52.800]  included a copy of the Internal Revenue Manual that shows all of the
[40:52.800 --> 40:53.800]  frivolous positions.
[40:53.800 --> 40:59.800]  And then I asked the IRS officer to tell me which one of those met the
[40:59.800 --> 41:02.800]  qualifications of the question that I had asked.
[41:02.800 --> 41:07.800]  Now, the reason I did that is I put her on notice that what she did was
[41:07.800 --> 41:12.800]  arbitrary and was in violation of the administrative procedures because they
[41:12.800 --> 41:16.800]  have a duty to talk to me about the law, and so I'm setting her up for a
[41:16.800 --> 41:17.800]  lawsuit.
[41:17.800 --> 41:20.800]  I will only sue her personally.
[41:20.800 --> 41:25.800]  Okay, so I'm looking at going to the collections due process hearing.
[41:25.800 --> 41:30.800]  Now, would this be something to actually get the CDPH officer on the record as
[41:30.800 --> 41:38.800]  asking them to show me specifically, you know, which one of these frivolous
[41:38.800 --> 41:40.800]  rulings my filing falls under?
[41:40.800 --> 41:47.800]  Okay, I understand that an appeal in the Internal Revenue administrative
[41:47.800 --> 41:50.800]  procedures is equivalent to a trial court.
[41:50.800 --> 41:58.800]  If you don't get your issues in at that level, you may not get them in at the
[41:58.800 --> 42:01.800]  tax court because tax court is a review court.
[42:01.800 --> 42:04.800]  In other words, it's an appeals court.
[42:04.800 --> 42:08.800]  And so at appeals court, you don't argue your case.
[42:08.800 --> 42:11.800]  You argue the errors in the lower court.
[42:11.800 --> 42:17.800]  And so your CDPH hearing is absolutely crucial that you get this evidence on
[42:17.800 --> 42:18.800]  the record.
[42:18.800 --> 42:23.800]  And I would definitely take a copy of the frivolous positions in there and
[42:23.800 --> 42:24.800]  set them down.
[42:24.800 --> 42:28.800]  Now, I'll say this about Beach Hendricks' work.
[42:28.800 --> 42:37.800]  I do not advocate filing a 1040 form or a W-4 or anything else if you don't
[42:37.800 --> 42:38.800]  have a filing requirement.
[42:38.800 --> 42:45.800]  I think to do so subjects you to the jurate on there that you're filing under
[42:45.800 --> 42:46.800]  penalty of perjury.
[42:46.800 --> 42:51.800]  And I know that when you file these false documents, and that's literally what
[42:51.800 --> 42:56.800]  it is, if you don't have a filing requirement, you will be hit with a frivolous
[42:56.800 --> 42:57.800]  filing penalty.
[42:57.800 --> 43:03.800]  When you research frivolous filing penalties, you will find that it has to do
[43:03.800 --> 43:08.800]  with tax returns, not necessarily issues of law.
[43:08.800 --> 43:14.800]  So I see people that are being slapped with a $5,000 frivolous filing for
[43:14.800 --> 43:19.800]  writing the IRS a letter and saying, what is the taxable activity that you
[43:19.800 --> 43:21.800]  think I'm involved in?
[43:21.800 --> 43:24.800]  And in that case, that law doesn't apply.
[43:24.800 --> 43:31.800]  But an exempt W-4, if you're not exempt, does fit that category.
[43:31.800 --> 43:36.800]  So you want to be very careful about filing documents.
[43:36.800 --> 43:44.800]  The zero return, I do not advise people to do because zero is a number.
[43:44.800 --> 43:48.800]  And once you file that return, what you've done is you have allowed the
[43:48.800 --> 43:53.800]  internal revenue agent to pull up your case and make adjustments to your case.
[43:53.800 --> 43:57.800]  And if you signed that under penalty of perjury, you're pretty well stuck
[43:57.800 --> 43:58.800]  yourself.
[43:58.800 --> 44:06.800]  Now, you could go in later and say, well, I didn't know the tax or whatever.
[44:06.800 --> 44:10.800]  And what the court's going to say is there's just no excuse for the law.
[44:10.800 --> 44:15.800]  So you need to discover whether you are liable for a tax.
[44:15.800 --> 44:18.800]  And if you are, you need to pay it.
[44:18.800 --> 44:23.800]  If you're not, then you can challenge that if you want to.
[44:23.800 --> 44:27.800]  Well, I'm a sole proprietor.
[44:27.800 --> 44:35.800]  So I don't, based off my understanding, I don't fit the definition of an
[44:35.800 --> 44:39.800]  employee and don't have an employer and I'm not engaged in a trade or business.
[44:39.800 --> 44:48.800]  But I did, because I did have a bank account in a national bank that was
[44:48.800 --> 44:55.800]  paying interest, that sent a 1099 out, then that would actually constitute
[44:55.800 --> 45:05.800]  some federally derived income as it's defined based off of my understanding of
[45:05.800 --> 45:10.800]  the cracking the code.
[45:10.800 --> 45:18.800]  The income from that interest would have to be over, I believe, the $600 mark.
[45:18.800 --> 45:19.800]  Right.
[45:19.800 --> 45:26.800]  Well, and that's where I didn't see where I had a total legal liability.
[45:26.800 --> 45:33.800]  But at the same time, I saw, you know, I just see too many people that when
[45:33.800 --> 45:37.800]  they're dealing with the IRS, well, the IRS comes after them and they get them
[45:37.800 --> 45:41.800]  for frivolous filing because everybody knows you've got to file.
[45:41.800 --> 45:45.800]  And so it seemed like, you know, in terms of really fighting the beast,
[45:45.800 --> 45:52.800]  Henderson's strategy seemed to make the most sense in my situation.
[45:52.800 --> 45:59.800]  Well, like I say, Pete Henderson is, I haven't studied all of his material.
[45:59.800 --> 46:01.800]  In fact, I don't follow anybody necessarily.
[46:01.800 --> 46:06.800]  I do my own research and I have, from the time I started this, I am aware of
[46:06.800 --> 46:09.800]  different positions that people take.
[46:09.800 --> 46:14.800]  And I think Pete is very close to the material, what should I just relate to
[46:14.800 --> 46:16.800]  you a little bit ago.
[46:16.800 --> 46:21.800]  But he hasn't actually closed the door on his research, but he's going the
[46:21.800 --> 46:23.800]  right direction with it.
[46:23.800 --> 46:27.800]  But I don't recommend, you know, filing a tax return.
[46:27.800 --> 46:30.800]  If you don't have a filing requirement, I think you're just stepping out of
[46:30.800 --> 46:32.800]  the frying pan into the fire.
[46:32.800 --> 46:39.800]  But as far as your CDPH hearing is concerned, I would suggest that you find
[46:39.800 --> 46:42.800]  the frivolous issues.
[46:42.800 --> 46:45.800]  It's in the IRS.gov and you'll find them there.
[46:45.800 --> 46:49.800]  Go through them and do not raise any of those issues.
[46:49.800 --> 46:57.800]  And when you read that, you will see that it is very broad.
[46:57.800 --> 47:02.800]  The IRS can take a map and make an elephant out of it.
[47:02.800 --> 47:09.800]  But just to keep yourself out of trouble with them, you know, try to read that,
[47:09.800 --> 47:13.800]  understand what the frivolous issues are that they're going to throw at you,
[47:13.800 --> 47:19.800]  and then argue the points of law which I've relayed here today.
[47:19.800 --> 47:27.800]  And as far as this 1040 form, you can take the information I have here on my
[47:27.800 --> 47:30.800]  desk and lay it in front of them and say, you know, somebody needs to show me
[47:30.800 --> 47:34.800]  how it is that I have a filing requirement under 1040.
[47:34.800 --> 47:40.800]  And it will be, it's yet to be seen because we haven't tested this.
[47:40.800 --> 47:46.800]  This is brand new stuff that just came off my desk or was discovered actually
[47:46.800 --> 47:48.800]  in the last two weeks.
[47:48.800 --> 47:54.800]  But as far as the trader business issue, I put that to bed several months ago
[47:54.800 --> 47:57.800]  and have published some information on it here and there.
[47:57.800 --> 47:59.800]  We've written a lot of letters.
[47:59.800 --> 48:05.800]  We've checked down two or three IRS collections on the issue of trader business.
[48:05.800 --> 48:12.800]  But we're also fixing to take the issue of trader business to the federal courts
[48:12.800 --> 48:18.800]  in a declaratory judgment because of the fact that 1401 relies on 1402,
[48:18.800 --> 48:23.800]  the definition for trader business, is unconstitutional on a space business
[48:23.800 --> 48:25.800]  because it is not specifically defined.
[48:25.800 --> 48:31.800]  And in the state of Florida, anyway, I have a Supreme Court case in the state of
[48:31.800 --> 48:34.800]  Florida in which I rely on state court law.
[48:34.800 --> 48:38.800]  The federal relies on state court law within the jurisdiction.
[48:38.800 --> 48:44.800]  The Supreme Court of Florida said that the legislature cannot leave to the
[48:44.800 --> 48:49.800]  administrative officer to define terms in the statute.
[48:49.800 --> 48:54.800]  And that also goes for your judges.
[48:54.800 --> 49:00.800]  They can't define them either because the court cannot make law.
[49:00.800 --> 49:02.800]  They can only interpret law.
[49:02.800 --> 49:08.800]  So for the court to say, well, trader business means this, they just made law.
[49:08.800 --> 49:12.800]  And that should have been challenged at the next level of court.
[49:12.800 --> 49:15.800]  And what we've went wrong in the Patriot community is we walk out with a tail
[49:15.800 --> 49:18.800]  between our legs and hope that they'll go away.
[49:18.800 --> 49:21.800]  And we just left some bad law on the books for somebody coming behind us to
[49:21.800 --> 49:23.800]  have to deal with.
[49:23.800 --> 49:28.800]  So we've got to get people trained up to understand what our rights are and be
[49:28.800 --> 49:36.800]  willing to take the steps legally to get these definitions.
[49:36.800 --> 49:43.800]  And if there's not a definition, then we need to throw that law out.
[49:43.800 --> 49:44.800]  All right.
[49:44.800 --> 49:46.800]  Does that answer your question, Matt?
[49:46.800 --> 49:47.800]  Yeah, it does.
[49:47.800 --> 49:48.800]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[49:48.800 --> 49:49.800]  Thanks a lot.
[49:49.800 --> 49:51.800]  Okay, excellent.
[49:51.800 --> 49:55.800]  Okay, we're going to go now, we're going to go to John in Florida.
[49:55.800 --> 49:58.800]  John, what is your question for our guest?
[49:58.800 --> 49:59.800]  Hi, Larry.
[49:59.800 --> 50:04.800]  I have a question regarding if I'm a private contractor.
[50:04.800 --> 50:08.800]  From what I was hearing so far, and I got on the call at about 10 o'clock
[50:08.800 --> 50:11.800]  sometime, so I've been on about two hours.
[50:11.800 --> 50:16.800]  And what I've heard thus far was that in regards to dealing with an employer,
[50:16.800 --> 50:21.800]  and actually there's also one issue regarding former employers, how far back I
[50:21.800 --> 50:27.800]  could go if I wanted to file suit to can I recover what they've collected from
[50:27.800 --> 50:31.800]  me, and then on the other side, if I'm a private contractor, how can I prevent
[50:31.800 --> 50:39.800]  who I've contracted with to then pay me for the services to prevent them from
[50:39.800 --> 50:42.800]  filing with the IRS for what I've done with them and the wages that they've
[50:42.800 --> 50:45.800]  paid me?
[50:45.800 --> 50:47.800]  You had two good questions there.
[50:47.800 --> 50:51.800]  Number one, there is no statute of limitation on fraud.
[50:51.800 --> 50:56.800]  If an employer committed fraud against you 25 years ago and you discovered,
[50:56.800 --> 51:01.800]  you've got a statute of limitation from the time you discovered the fraud to
[51:01.800 --> 51:03.800]  file a lawsuit against them.
[51:03.800 --> 51:11.800]  As far as the people that you work for sending a 1099 to the Internal Revenue
[51:11.800 --> 51:16.800]  Service, you can talk to them about it and explain to them that that is a tax
[51:16.800 --> 51:21.800]  plus five document, tax plus five is a state gift tax, and you can ask them just
[51:21.800 --> 51:28.800]  in a point of reason why would you send a state gift tax form to the Internal
[51:28.800 --> 51:33.800]  Revenue Service saying that you're giving me a gift or that I've died and
[51:33.800 --> 51:38.800]  inherited some money, because that's what that form is.
[51:38.800 --> 51:42.800]  So I would just go straight to them and of course they're going to look at you
[51:42.800 --> 51:45.800]  like you're out of your mind and so you want to have that document with you and
[51:45.800 --> 51:52.800]  you can find that in the 6209 manual and it shows what those particular forms
[51:52.800 --> 51:59.800]  are, and I think that you will raise the consciousness of the person who would
[51:59.800 --> 52:05.800]  send that 1099 to a point of where they will call up their IRS agent and say,
[52:05.800 --> 52:07.800]  you know, what the heck is going on here?
[52:07.800 --> 52:10.800]  The agent is going to tell them, don't worry about it, just do what we tell you
[52:10.800 --> 52:14.800]  to, but what you've done is you've put this person on notice.
[52:14.800 --> 52:19.800]  Now if they send that document, you'll find a lot of private employers,
[52:19.800 --> 52:22.800]  and I was guilty of it myself.
[52:22.800 --> 52:24.800]  I was a contractor 38 years.
[52:24.800 --> 52:30.800]  I sent out some 1099s years ago, but I never sent the 1096.
[52:30.800 --> 52:34.800]  Without the 1096, the 1099 doesn't move.
[52:34.800 --> 52:38.800]  There's no validity there whatsoever.
[52:38.800 --> 52:45.800]  So if you get into court specifically, you want to ask for the 1096 that gives
[52:45.800 --> 52:50.800]  validity to the 1099, otherwise the 1099 has to be tossed out.
[52:50.800 --> 52:55.800]  It's not relevant to the case and has no verification.
[52:55.800 --> 52:58.800]  So that would be my suggestion.
[52:58.800 --> 53:02.800]  Try to educate the people that you're working for now.
[53:02.800 --> 53:05.800]  I'll say on the other side of this, I've experienced this myself.
[53:05.800 --> 53:10.800]  I've lost some good jobs and opportunities to bid on jobs because of the fact that
[53:10.800 --> 53:15.800]  I've raised these issues with general contractors,
[53:15.800 --> 53:18.800]  and so they wouldn't hire me after that.
[53:18.800 --> 53:22.800]  So you have to decide what you want to do with that.
[53:22.800 --> 53:24.800]  Sure, understood.
[53:24.800 --> 53:28.800]  And then regarding Peter Hendrickson's work, I haven't studied it myself,
[53:28.800 --> 53:35.800]  but being on calls for over the past year, year and a half now,
[53:35.800 --> 53:40.800]  I've heard people kind of give their stories regarding them doing the filings
[53:40.800 --> 53:42.800]  that he, I guess, has laid out.
[53:42.800 --> 53:48.800]  And then once the IRS has kind of figured out what they allowed them to do,
[53:48.800 --> 53:52.800]  they come after him with some serious wrath.
[53:52.800 --> 53:55.800]  And I don't know if you've heard of that before.
[53:55.800 --> 53:59.800]  Any stories along those lines as to what the potential pitfalls are
[53:59.800 --> 54:03.800]  going down that path?
[54:03.800 --> 54:12.800]  I don't advocate what Pete Henderson is doing other than to say that he's a
[54:12.800 --> 54:14.800]  serious researcher.
[54:14.800 --> 54:22.800]  And I've read a lot of his material that he's absolutely on point on the law
[54:22.800 --> 54:24.800]  at SAF.
[54:24.800 --> 54:30.800]  I'm not sure that he's handling it correctly.
[54:30.800 --> 54:31.800]  Okay.
[54:31.800 --> 54:33.800]  Well, thank you very much for your time.
[54:33.800 --> 54:34.800]  You bet.
[54:34.800 --> 54:35.800]  Thank you.
[54:35.800 --> 54:36.800]  All right.
[54:36.800 --> 54:38.800]  Thank you, John.
[54:38.800 --> 54:41.800]  And I do appreciate the callers being so patient.
[54:41.800 --> 54:44.800]  We do like to spend a long time with the callers,
[54:44.800 --> 54:46.800]  make sure everyone gets their questions answered.
[54:46.800 --> 54:49.800]  So, yeah, a lot of times people will have to hold for a while,
[54:49.800 --> 54:53.800]  but there's not much that we can do about that unless we just want to rampage
[54:53.800 --> 54:57.800]  through your calls and just not be very thorough.
[54:57.800 --> 55:00.800]  And in a discussion like this, we need to be as thorough as possible,
[55:00.800 --> 55:02.800]  so we appreciate your patience.
[55:02.800 --> 55:05.800]  We're going to go now to Hans in Texas.
[55:05.800 --> 55:07.800]  Hans, thanks for calling in.
[55:07.800 --> 55:08.800]  What's on your mind tonight?
[55:08.800 --> 55:13.800]  Hey, yeah, it's kind of concerned with the little overall picture.
[55:13.800 --> 55:19.800]  And that is the Comprehensive Annual Finance Report and the issue that the
[55:19.800 --> 55:28.800]  Ron Paul Presidential Campaign brought up in respect to the people accepting
[55:28.800 --> 55:32.800]  whether we need the income tax or not.
[55:32.800 --> 55:39.800]  You know, this would be a strong convincing of people about ending the Fed
[55:39.800 --> 55:45.800]  and also realizing that we could even actually operate our government.
[55:45.800 --> 55:50.800]  I just wanted to get an opinion on that, see if you agreed with me on that
[55:50.800 --> 55:53.800]  one point.
[55:53.800 --> 55:59.800]  Yeah, the income tax, as I see it, I think that it just goes to a bunch of
[55:59.800 --> 56:01.800]  world bankers somewhere.
[56:01.800 --> 56:02.800]  I'm not sure.
[56:02.800 --> 56:06.800]  You know, I've read the grace report that Ronald Reagan commissioned,
[56:06.800 --> 56:09.800]  and they said that not five cents of the money collected under income tax
[56:09.800 --> 56:14.800]  went to goods and services that was enjoyed by the American people.
[56:14.800 --> 56:21.800]  So the federal government, their money is defined in the Constitution.
[56:21.800 --> 56:27.800]  The import, exports, and posting duties is the revenue that they are
[56:27.800 --> 56:32.800]  supposed to use to function to govern the federal government.
[56:32.800 --> 56:35.800]  And that actually happens.
[56:35.800 --> 56:42.800]  I believe the income tax system is just a scam that they have constructed
[56:42.800 --> 56:49.800]  and organized and are carrying out to steal the wealth of the American people.
[56:49.800 --> 56:52.800]  That's just as plain as I can say it.
[56:52.800 --> 56:55.800]  It is a racketeering, influence-corrupt organization.
[56:55.800 --> 57:01.800]  And I'm not sure where it stops at, but I can guarantee you from my studies
[57:01.800 --> 57:05.800]  of the law in finding how many times that you can't find a particular section
[57:05.800 --> 57:12.800]  of the law, or you find, for instance, in the 1939 Code, Section 481
[57:12.800 --> 57:17.800]  correlates to Section 162 defines trader business, and it's not there.
[57:17.800 --> 57:23.800]  And you'll find when you start studying the acts of Congress that any act of
[57:23.800 --> 57:32.800]  Congress that would expose the Internal Revenue Service and what they're doing,
[57:32.800 --> 57:34.800]  you won't be able to pull it up online.
[57:34.800 --> 57:39.800]  And I have a professional law library that I use, and I can't find it there.
[57:39.800 --> 57:45.800]  And I have to occasionally go to the law library at the college over here and go
[57:45.800 --> 57:48.800]  through the books to actually find some of these laws.
[57:48.800 --> 57:54.800]  So they have done everything that they can to obscure the law, to make it as
[57:54.800 --> 57:59.800]  confusing as possible, and they hid the definitions of key terms that you could
[57:59.800 --> 58:01.800]  use to make sense out of it.
[58:01.800 --> 58:06.800]  So the bottom line is I think Ron Paul is exactly right.
[58:06.800 --> 58:10.800]  Not only do we need to audit the Fed, we need to get rid of the income tax.
[58:10.800 --> 58:15.800]  And that's what I'm proposing to do here with the evidence I have in front of me.
[58:15.800 --> 58:16.800]  All right.
[58:16.800 --> 58:17.800]  Listen, hold on.
[58:17.800 --> 58:18.800]  We're going to break.
[58:18.800 --> 58:19.800]  We're at the top of the hour.
[58:19.800 --> 58:20.800]  We've got one more hour left.
[58:20.800 --> 58:23.800]  Hans, you're welcome to stay on the line if you have any more questions or comments.
[58:23.800 --> 58:24.800]  I do.
[58:24.800 --> 58:25.800]  Okay.
[58:25.800 --> 58:27.800]  After that, we've got Taylor from Georgia is up next.
[58:27.800 --> 58:32.800]  And after that, the phone lines are open, so folks, if you'd like to call in,
[58:32.800 --> 58:36.800]  512-646-1984.
[58:36.800 --> 58:40.800]  We'll be taking your calls for the rest of the show.
[58:40.800 --> 58:43.800]  Like I said, the phone lines are pretty much open.
[58:43.800 --> 58:47.800]  We've got Hans and Taylor after Hans, and then that's it.
[58:47.800 --> 58:51.800]  So call on in if you'd like to ask our guest Larry Bradshaw questions.
[58:51.800 --> 58:52.800]  This is the rule of law.
[58:52.800 --> 58:57.800]  We'll be right back.
[59:22.800 --> 59:41.800]  All right.
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[01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:25.800]  Thank you very much.
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[01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.800]  A group of senators unveiled legislation Thursday aiming to strip telecom firms
[01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:03.800]  that took part in the Bush administration's spying program of immunity from lawsuits.
[01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:08.800]  The bill aims to fix problems with surveillance laws that threaten the rights
[01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:10.800]  and liberties of American citizens.
[01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:15.800]  The legislation would affect the way the government can search Americans' personal records,
[01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:21.800]  conduct wiretapping, and otherwise collect and use information on U.S. citizens.
[01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:26.800]  Among the provisions sure to grab attention, it revisits a secret program
[01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:31.800]  launched by George Bush after 9-11 that collected sensitive information
[01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:33.800]  without a court order.
[01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:39.800]  Lawmakers, including then-Senator Barack Obama, voted last year to grant telecom firms
[01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:43.800]  that took part in the program immunity from lawsuits by Americans
[01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.800]  who alleged breaches of privacy rights.
[01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.800]  While the legislation is a standalone bill, supporters of key provisions
[01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:55.800]  could strive to include them when Congress reauthorizes key sections
[01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.800]  of the Patriot Act later this year.
[01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:03.800]  A bill that could go to the Senate floor as early as next week
[01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:08.800]  would make it impossible for Barack Obama to move any Guantanamo prisoners to the U.S.
[01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.800]  for any reason, effectively blocking his plan to close the facility by January.
[01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.800]  The bar on all such transfers was written into the Senate version
[01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.800]  of the Defense Appropriations Bill passed by the Appropriations Committee last week
[01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.800]  and is stricter than current law, which allows prisoners to be brought to the U.S. for trial
[01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:34.800]  as long as Congress is notified 45 days in advance of any potential risks.
[01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:39.800]  Law professor Matthew Waxman, who worked on detainee issues at the defense
[01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.800]  and state departments under the Bush administration, said,
[01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:48.800]  the Obama administration can't close Guantanamo without bringing some detainees to the United States,
[01:02:48.800 --> 01:03:17.800]  and Congress's actions show that the political price of doing so will be high.
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[01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:59.920]  All right, we will occupy our father's house as Jim from Ohio so eloquently expressed in
[01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:02.200]  this last segment.
[01:04:02.200 --> 01:04:07.080]  Okay, we are speaking right now with Hans from Texas.
[01:04:07.080 --> 01:04:11.600]  Okay, Hans, you had a couple of other points you wanted to make?
[01:04:11.600 --> 01:04:17.440]  Yes, yes, I do want to repeat that one and maybe clarify at the last point which was,
[01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:26.080]  you know, part of the process here is to break down that death and taxes mentality that those
[01:04:26.080 --> 01:04:27.640]  are the things you are going to always have to do.
[01:04:27.640 --> 01:04:33.360]  I think people that can go beyond that and see that we don't need the income tax and
[01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:38.040]  that we could really operate a federal government because I think that a lot of people are apprehensive
[01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:40.960]  in saying well how are we going to operate a government if we are not collecting taxes
[01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:48.920]  and I just think that's an important key in trying to get people involved in acting against
[01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:52.000]  the income tax.
[01:04:52.000 --> 01:05:03.800]  The second question for me was well tips and subcontracting, George Gordon would talk about
[01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:08.480]  getting paid in gold and silver, he had a program and I always thought it was fascinating
[01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:17.680]  to start trading in gold and silver and that's another solution but the one person had told
[01:05:17.680 --> 01:05:25.800]  me or had heard about being able to be paid in gold and silver from a 1099 and using the
[01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:32.720]  one silver dollar and that the tax, what the tax code said so that's my question about
[01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:38.560]  getting paid for instance the value of one silver dollar which is maybe translated into
[01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:49.720]  $25 on the open market or a gold and silver exchange so how do one person and the scenario
[01:05:49.720 --> 01:05:57.600]  was that an employer had successfully argued that he didn't have to pay on the value of
[01:05:57.600 --> 01:06:05.680]  the silver dollar, he could just pay, he only needed to report on the silver, I mean the
[01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:09.920]  dollar value and hopefully I've made that clear of what I'm saying.
[01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:11.720]  The face value of the coin?
[01:06:11.720 --> 01:06:19.640]  Yeah exactly, the face value so I was wondering if he had a concrete procedure on just exactly
[01:06:19.640 --> 01:06:24.480]  how to do that and if he could validate that scenario if that's actually true if he knew
[01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:25.480]  about.
[01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:30.600]  What you're referring to is an actual court case where the IRS went after an employer
[01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:38.200]  because the employer was paying its employees in gold and silver coin at face value rather
[01:06:38.200 --> 01:06:42.640]  than in the gold value, the IRS tried to sue saying that the people were receiving a much
[01:06:42.640 --> 01:06:48.400]  larger income because of the value of the coin itself in its gold form but the court
[01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:55.160]  stipulated that the money was legal tender as it was at its face value as far as taxation
[01:06:55.160 --> 01:06:57.840]  purposes was all that mattered.
[01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:03.720]  Yes and I wanted to implement that and use that, that's exactly right.
[01:07:03.720 --> 01:07:08.960]  That court case I want to be able to say okay now how do I make that solution so I can go
[01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:15.360]  to somebody I contract with and say hey can you turn our agreed amount into and I'll even
[01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:23.120]  absorb the trader's 6% or 3% or whatever he would charge me or charge him and I'll accept
[01:07:23.120 --> 01:07:28.040]  the gold and silver in payment so I can avoid the taxes.
[01:07:28.040 --> 01:07:33.960]  In all honesty what you could do is you could work out what you would receive in the Federal
[01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:39.680]  Reserve Note monetary terms and in your contract with the person that you're going to work
[01:07:39.680 --> 01:07:44.400]  with you just simply write up your contract that your payment will be paid in gold and
[01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:48.080]  silver specie coin.
[01:07:48.080 --> 01:07:52.880]  You set the face value of the gold and silver coin to match what the Federal Reserve Notes
[01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:57.240]  would be if that's what you actually were paid.
[01:07:57.240 --> 01:08:02.880]  So does our guest have any problems seeing that based on his knowledge or how to go about
[01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:09.880]  doing that or any problem going about doing that that would cause any problem or any pitfalls
[01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:14.680]  I could avoid in doing that?
[01:08:14.680 --> 01:08:23.080]  What I would suggest is that you're bogging yourself down with something I think that
[01:08:23.080 --> 01:08:26.080]  is really a moot point.
[01:08:26.080 --> 01:08:30.040]  Legal tender is legal tender if we're accepting the Federal Reserve Notes, if we're accepting
[01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:33.440]  seashells I don't see any great significance.
[01:08:33.440 --> 01:08:38.080]  The value of dollars goes up and down, the value of silver and gold goes up and down.
[01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:44.800]  It's just a medium of exchange and I think the more important point here is the fact
[01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:53.880]  it doesn't make any difference how you receive the payment for whatever service you provide
[01:08:53.880 --> 01:09:00.120]  that's not under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government so it's a moot point.
[01:09:00.120 --> 01:09:06.400]  Well what I'm saying is in the income tax so when I go to report my income tax I can
[01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:09.160]  report it on the face value of the coin.
[01:09:09.160 --> 01:09:11.600]  Do you owe income tax?
[01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:15.760]  Oh and you're saying I do not owe income tax by asking that.
[01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:22.080]  I think this is the point that I'm bringing to the table here is that if you're not under
[01:09:22.080 --> 01:09:26.560]  contract with the Federal Government you have no filing requirements so why would you want
[01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:34.320]  to complicate your life by filing and it's a moot point what medium of exchange that
[01:09:34.320 --> 01:09:36.640]  you're using.
[01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:42.160]  You could ask the employer to pay you in seashells and it's nothing to the IRS, it's a foreign
[01:09:42.160 --> 01:09:50.200]  jurisdiction and Russia we don't care what medium of exchange they use over there.
[01:09:50.200 --> 01:09:54.840]  The Federal Government does not have jurisdiction over you so they need to go home and leave
[01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:57.840]  you alone.
[01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:07.080]  What if you do decide to go ahead and find yourself wanting to do a 1099 let's say to
[01:10:07.080 --> 01:10:13.840]  take advantage of working with the contractor or just to try to simplify yourself or maybe
[01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:18.920]  you can't articulate everything that you're talking about tonight.
[01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:23.880]  Would there be any difficulty in or are you going to find the same IRS trying to pull
[01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:29.880]  the same problem, the court case somebody is doing, if you do file 1099 and say well
[01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:34.240]  I got paid in gold and silver and everyone is going to face value, do you think?
[01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:40.880]  What you're doing is you're complicating your life with the IRS either way you go.
[01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:45.200]  If you take the route of going with the gold and silver you'll wind up in court just like
[01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:49.400]  the one that was just mentioned there and so you're going to have to face that battle
[01:10:49.400 --> 01:10:53.800]  that way or you can take the other route and say wait a minute I don't owe and I have
[01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:58.040]  no filing requirement to get out of my life and if you have to fight that battle I'd go
[01:10:58.040 --> 01:11:01.520]  to fight that one and then fight the other one.
[01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:06.920]  The reason I thought the other one was because I think part of in the bigger picture is looking
[01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:16.400]  to gold and silver as a competing currency idea so I just thought that if we don't actually
[01:11:16.400 --> 01:11:23.040]  start implementing that and getting used to it then it's going to be harder to hold on
[01:11:23.040 --> 01:11:32.320]  to the freedom that could provide or just the whole economic benefit of having a competing
[01:11:32.320 --> 01:11:33.320]  currency.
[01:11:33.320 --> 01:11:43.480]  I think there's a lot of rabbit trails out there that distracts people and I think that
[01:11:43.480 --> 01:11:47.720]  the government has deliberately put out a lot of misinformation, disinformation.
[01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:57.160]  I think that there's some plants within the Patriot community of government snitches or
[01:11:57.160 --> 01:11:58.160]  whatever.
[01:11:58.160 --> 01:12:07.120]  I see this as a war and we're getting a lot of misinformation, disinformation and I think
[01:12:07.120 --> 01:12:13.560]  that we need to stay strictly with facts, law and procedure and let some of these other
[01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:18.560]  issues, the name and capital letters and those sort of things I think we need to just move
[01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:26.000]  on and not make an issue out of that because what happens is once you get off point you're
[01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.320]  going to lose your case and that's the point you're not going to win on.
[01:12:31.320 --> 01:12:37.600]  So stick with facts, law and procedure and you recover the facts by doing your FOIA request
[01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:42.720]  and things like that, make a record in the court, get into court, learn how to put the
[01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:47.840]  documents into the record and that's through a competent witness by the way.
[01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:52.320]  Once that information is in the court then the court can use that to make its determination
[01:12:52.320 --> 01:12:56.680]  on and you can use that also to go up to the higher court and say well the lower court
[01:12:56.680 --> 01:13:01.400]  didn't handle the evidence properly.
[01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:05.840]  So we've got to get back to facts, law and procedure and keep our nose to the grindstone,
[01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:12.400]  the one that will sharpen the blade and some of these other issues are just distractions.
[01:13:12.400 --> 01:13:14.520]  Okay maybe that leads me to another question.
[01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:21.320]  We had another show that I'd listened to about accepted for value and you're familiar with
[01:13:21.320 --> 01:13:29.840]  that procedure and return without you actually doing that for a, well there's a lot of people
[01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:39.840]  convincing, very convincing saying that they indeed are, that actually works but the accepted
[01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:45.800]  for value and return for value, can you address that, HR, J192 or whatever it is?
[01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.400]  Sure can and I'll tell you right straight up that I think that is a foolish thing to
[01:13:50.400 --> 01:13:51.400]  do.
[01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:59.800]  I have just witnessed, sent through a criminal trial, willful failure to file the Barry case
[01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:09.560]  up here in Fort Myers, Florida and I saw them demonized in front of the jury on that issue.
[01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:13.600]  So I don't think you're going to gain any economy out of it.
[01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:19.160]  I think it's a, not only a rabbit trail, it's a bad one.
[01:14:19.160 --> 01:14:24.560]  Okay well that's very good because we have a lot of information out there and it's good
[01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:30.200]  to see you here conflicting or contradictory opinions so thanks.
[01:14:30.200 --> 01:14:36.320]  Well that's what America is all about is free speech and you know I understand a lot of
[01:14:36.320 --> 01:14:40.600]  people out there have different opinions and things like that and that's okay and I respect
[01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:47.440]  the people and the research that they've done as far as the energy that they put into it
[01:14:47.440 --> 01:14:54.040]  but you know some of these issues I have seen them fail and I've seen people get hurt badly
[01:14:54.040 --> 01:15:01.640]  by them and I have elected not to pursue those and while I can say even the name and cap
[01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:06.040]  the letters, let me qualify that, I've done the research on that and the only time that
[01:15:06.040 --> 01:15:10.520]  a natural person's name can be spelled and gapped the letters is if they are representative
[01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:19.040]  of the, you know a representative of people and in that elected official in that capacity
[01:15:19.040 --> 01:15:25.320]  as a corporation and that's the only, it's an artificial entity, spells his name and
[01:15:25.320 --> 01:15:31.720]  gapped the letters but I will not mention that in court, I'll not put it in a document.
[01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:37.240]  For credibility sake or is it kind of, well see what you're saying here is these issues
[01:15:37.240 --> 01:15:42.360]  are real but at the same time they're not being upheld by the courts and so therefore
[01:15:42.360 --> 01:15:48.840]  it's not a good strategy to employ and yeah well that's what's very frustrating because
[01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:55.200]  like for instance the guest that I was impressed with was his first name was Paul and he'd
[01:15:55.200 --> 01:15:59.880]  been many years in the banking industry and he was explaining the accepted for value and
[01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:08.520]  return for value process and yet we could turn around and say well how come, that it
[01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:12.800]  does work or it doesn't work, some people it seems to have limited it but you say you
[01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:17.680]  can get it in court and you're going to find out you may or may not, it's a chance of situation,
[01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:21.600]  you might actually find yourself under criminal.
[01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:26.720]  I was saying what the federal prosecutors do with it and they'll demonize you with it
[01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:30.440]  and a jury is going to sit there and when they brought that up I was watching the faces
[01:16:30.440 --> 01:16:35.320]  of the jury and you could see them obviously they're looking at each other like this is
[01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:43.800]  absolutely ludicrous so you know you can't reach them in a foot like that and on the
[01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:50.560]  other side let me qualify that too, the attorney did not explain it, if the attorney had took
[01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:54.320]  the style, the United States style manual in there and put it in the hands of a witness
[01:16:54.320 --> 01:17:02.480]  and had them read that into the record that that was in fact true then he would have neutralized
[01:17:02.480 --> 01:17:13.840]  the effect of the demonization that the prosecutor had just obtained from the jury by spitting
[01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:21.760]  that out and of course they play it out like a good actor and they shrug their shoulders
[01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:32.400]  and they wank at the jury and all of this but the attorney didn't destroy that argument.
[01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:37.520]  My personal opinion is it was one that shouldn't have been brought up, actually the prosecution
[01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:43.720]  brought it up and because they had followed that pursuit, they had sent in a couple of
[01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:50.960]  those side graphs with the accepted for value and I think that was one of the major nails
[01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:51.960]  under coffin.
[01:17:51.960 --> 01:18:00.200]  Well, so there is no enforcing of the bankruptcy laws, you're saying that it is valid but because
[01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:08.840]  even it sounds like this other lawyer should have done his job and do as you explained
[01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:13.560]  for the defendant and he doesn't so is there complicitly here to go ahead with it, I mean
[01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:20.280]  that's what I'm, you know we seem to be the people that are in the know, this is part
[01:18:20.280 --> 01:18:24.480]  of what the whole education process should be about, eventually if enough people get
[01:18:24.480 --> 01:18:30.240]  to know about it, if the jury accepted these things to be true and they knew about them
[01:18:30.240 --> 01:18:36.400]  then it wouldn't have been so easy for the prosecuting attorney to get away with what
[01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:41.040]  he did and so I'm wondering, you know what I'm saying, so there's many fronts on the
[01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:47.560]  educational bent, you know that seems to be the hard thing for people to understand and
[01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:53.280]  like I said the other issue is the comprehensive annual financial report, that's a huge issue
[01:18:53.280 --> 01:19:00.560]  in itself to understand like I said that they're imposing these taxes, it shows the will and
[01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:07.160]  intent of this fraud, I don't think it's just greed but there's so many things historically
[01:19:07.160 --> 01:19:13.680]  that they use taxes to go after certain types of people and the justification so it seems
[01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:19.800]  like tax is not only the power to destroy but also to control people and that's just
[01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:26.280]  practical to come to that conclusion so what I'm saying is the fight here is not just,
[01:19:26.280 --> 01:19:34.960]  it's very clear, it's about liberty, it's about, it's not, you know and those that restrain
[01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:41.840]  from people having that liberty like the defense attorney, he should have done his job and
[01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:47.160]  stepped in there and I just, it's just very discouraging but nevertheless I think it's
[01:19:47.160 --> 01:19:52.480]  worthy to, I appreciate what y'all are doing and I think that's all I have to say and I'll
[01:19:52.480 --> 01:19:54.480]  let somebody else go on but...
[01:19:54.480 --> 01:20:00.040]  Well I'll respond to that, you're absolutely right, we've got to get education out there
[01:20:00.040 --> 01:20:06.800]  and we've got to teach people how to use the law and the points of law that you can actually
[01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:12.920]  get some economy out of and that's the facts, law and procedure and if you're on the defensive
[01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:19.520]  side and the prosecutor brings up something like that then the defense lawyer has got
[01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:27.560]  to immediately neutralize that or that's a strike against you and I'll say this, I'm
[01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:34.360]  not an advocate of hiring a lawyer to defend you, I know a lot of them and I personally
[01:20:34.360 --> 01:20:42.200]  would not hire one if I was charged with a criminal offense because I just, I haven't
[01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:47.400]  found one that's competent to be honest with you and I know some of them take an objection
[01:20:47.400 --> 01:20:53.440]  to that but the lawyers in this country I think are one of the major problems that we
[01:20:53.440 --> 01:20:58.680]  have, the bar associations, these lawyers work their way up to be judges and it's just
[01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:06.520]  corruption that leads corruption and I'm also an advocate for judicial reform, I watch court
[01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:13.040]  cases all over the country, I research the documents that are filed, I watch the judges
[01:21:13.040 --> 01:21:18.160]  orders and I research the judges orders and I can tell you that our court system is just
[01:21:18.160 --> 01:21:24.600]  about as corrupt as any organization on earth and it's something that we, another thing
[01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:31.520]  that we're going to have to work on hard to get justice back in the courtrooms and we
[01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:38.400]  need an organization to get out there and try to get some of these laws passed like
[01:21:38.400 --> 01:21:45.840]  the judicial integrity accountability legislation in jail for judges but until we do we got
[01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:52.720]  to deal with what we got and it does not help to walk into a courtroom, I actually watched
[01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:58.560]  this happen, a lady walked in the courtroom and told the judge you don't have jurisdiction
[01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:05.240]  over me and she brought up the issue with the gold branch on the flag, she was sentenced
[01:22:05.240 --> 01:22:13.360]  to 30 years in prison so there's some of these things here that may be true, I'm not going
[01:22:13.360 --> 01:22:18.480]  to deny it or whatever and I'm not going to spend my time researching something like that
[01:22:18.480 --> 01:22:24.720]  because I think it's foolishness, you might get a decent ruling from a judge if you go
[01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:29.800]  in there and treat the court with respect and present the facts, law and procedures
[01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:35.680]  and present them in a manner that's not argumentative to the court but you can be forceful, you
[01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:41.920]  have to be forceful or they'll run right over you but that's what we've got to do and we've
[01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:46.040]  got to be better at law than what the lawyers are in order to beat them.
[01:22:46.040 --> 01:22:48.640]  All right, well I appreciate your work, thank you.
[01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:50.880]  All right, thank you, thank you Hans.
[01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:56.360]  Okay, we're going to go now to Taylor in Georgia who's been holding quite a while, Taylor thanks
[01:22:56.360 --> 01:22:59.200]  for holding so long, what is your question for our guest?
[01:22:59.200 --> 01:23:05.280]  Hi, good evening Deborah, Larry and Randy, I have a question, I want to thank Larry for
[01:23:05.280 --> 01:23:12.600]  that form he mentioned with the 1096 that gives the litigate to the 1099, that's a very
[01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:17.680]  interesting form I just looked it up but the question that I have specifically is with
[01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:22.440]  regards to when you started out you talked about the levy form and I think Randy had
[01:23:22.440 --> 01:23:30.960]  made a comment with regards to fraud by non-disclosure by virtue of the fact that the 6331 levy form
[01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:36.960]  omits section 8 and I just wanted to know if Randy had any additional comments on that.
[01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:37.960]  Hello?
[01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:38.960]  Randy?
[01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:44.680]  Wait a minute, I'm sorry I missed part of that, I was having trouble with my headset.
[01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.680]  Okay, when we start out Randy, you know...
[01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:51.160]  Wait, hold on one moment, Taylor are you on a speaker phone?
[01:23:51.160 --> 01:23:52.160]  Yes, I get on.
[01:23:52.160 --> 01:23:56.360]  Okay, yeah please callers don't use a speaker phone, I realize you have to hold for a long
[01:23:56.360 --> 01:24:01.160]  time so y'all are welcome to use your speaker phone of course while you're holding but once
[01:24:01.160 --> 01:24:05.480]  we call you to get up on the air please don't use a Bluetooth, don't use a headset, don't
[01:24:05.480 --> 01:24:08.200]  use a speaker phone, you need to use a regular handset, thank you.
[01:24:08.200 --> 01:24:09.200]  Okay, no problem.
[01:24:09.200 --> 01:24:10.200]  No problem.
[01:24:10.200 --> 01:24:11.200]  Okay, much better, thank you.
[01:24:11.200 --> 01:24:17.360]  Okay, I'm just saying that when the show started out it was mentioned about the levy form that
[01:24:17.360 --> 01:24:23.320]  is sent to the employer that the one that is sent on the back of the form where it identifies
[01:24:23.320 --> 01:24:30.800]  the criteria and who it is pertains to, it omits section 8 and I noticed that on the
[01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:36.160]  back of that levy form it says excerpt from the Internal Resonance Code and that to me
[01:24:36.160 --> 01:24:40.840]  seems to be rather fraudulent because they only select the portion that's going to justify
[01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.440]  what they're doing without putting the complete information that's going to give legitimacy
[01:24:44.440 --> 01:24:45.920]  to their form.
[01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:56.200]  Yes, in looking at in O'Connor's Causes of Action in the section on contracts, I don't
[01:24:56.200 --> 01:25:04.120]  have the actual case law in front of me but they address this issue where when someone
[01:25:04.120 --> 01:25:11.080]  gives partial information they have a duty to give all the information so the IRS gives
[01:25:11.080 --> 01:25:16.480]  you this form with excerpts from the law in it and they would give you the impression
[01:25:16.480 --> 01:25:24.180]  these excerpts contain the law pertinent to you when in fact it does not, it left out
[01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:26.320]  law that was pertinent to you.
[01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:31.880]  Now since they revealed part of the information they had a duty to reveal all of it, failure
[01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:34.320]  to do that is fraud by non-disclosure.
[01:25:34.320 --> 01:25:42.040]  Okay, and that should be a definitely an actionable item in dealing with the Internal Revenue.
[01:25:42.040 --> 01:25:43.040]  Absolutely.
[01:25:43.040 --> 01:25:44.040]  Okay.
[01:25:44.040 --> 01:25:50.960]  The thing about the IRS is the judges tend to rule however they want to and since they
[01:25:50.960 --> 01:26:01.040]  get what last I heard was some $35,000 per case it's in their interest to screw you around
[01:26:01.040 --> 01:26:07.120]  so the best thing we can do is have as many good legal arguments to bring to the table
[01:26:07.120 --> 01:26:08.120]  as we can.
[01:26:08.120 --> 01:26:09.120]  Exactly.
[01:26:09.120 --> 01:26:10.120]  Exactly.
[01:26:10.120 --> 01:26:16.600]  Because the point was made earlier that fraud also obdiates a contract and it's more than
[01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:22.080]  a subject matter jurisdiction at the head so seemingly because it would obdiate the contract
[01:26:22.080 --> 01:26:25.960]  and it is fraud that subject matter jurisdiction can be something that would be attacked at
[01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:26.960]  any point in time.
[01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:27.960]  Am I not correct?
[01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:28.960]  That's correct.
[01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:39.120]  Taylor, if you'll look up the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 and read that document it will
[01:26:39.120 --> 01:26:44.040]  give you some real good insight on the 6331 and what it's applicable to.
[01:26:44.040 --> 01:26:47.200]  Okay, that's the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997.
[01:26:47.200 --> 01:26:48.200]  1997.
[01:26:48.200 --> 01:26:49.200]  1997.
[01:26:49.200 --> 01:26:53.080]  Okay, I'll do that and again I want to thank you for that.
[01:26:53.080 --> 01:26:58.320]  I looked up that form the 1096 that you had mentioned but I've never heard of that before
[01:26:58.320 --> 01:27:03.760]  and that does and what's interesting I was wondering because on those 1099s that they
[01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:09.560]  passed out they're not certified and when I looked at the 1096 that is a place on that
[01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:15.920]  form and it has to be certified under penalties of perjury and then because a lot of the companies
[01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:21.840]  now are doing these magnetic transmissions even that form for that is form 4804 and that
[01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:24.440]  also has to be certified under penalties of perjury.
[01:27:24.440 --> 01:27:25.440]  Right.
[01:27:25.440 --> 01:27:28.120]  All right, I do appreciate it.
[01:27:28.120 --> 01:27:29.120]  You bet.
[01:27:29.120 --> 01:27:30.120]  All right.
[01:27:30.120 --> 01:27:31.120]  Thank you.
[01:27:31.120 --> 01:27:32.120]  Thank you.
[01:27:32.120 --> 01:27:33.120]  Thank you, Taylor.
[01:27:33.120 --> 01:27:35.240]  Okay, we're going to move on.
[01:27:35.240 --> 01:27:38.760]  We're going now to Charles in Calgary.
[01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:39.760]  Another first time caller.
[01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:40.760]  By the way, thank you for Taylor.
[01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:42.640]  Taylor was also a first time caller.
[01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:44.300]  Charles, thanks for calling in.
[01:27:44.300 --> 01:27:46.080]  What is your question for our guest tonight?
[01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:47.080]  Okay, Deborah, hi.
[01:27:47.080 --> 01:27:55.160]  I wanted to make a comment about wages being paid in silver.
[01:27:55.160 --> 01:28:02.280]  I was listening to Ralph Winteroad about three or four weeks ago and he had a guest on Dr.
[01:28:02.280 --> 01:28:10.440]  Veath and a point that came out that I think is relevant here is that on the Fed website
[01:28:10.440 --> 01:28:16.320]  it says that the Federal Reserve Note does not have any value and that might sound a
[01:28:16.320 --> 01:28:22.640]  little strange but actually values are connected to weights and measures.
[01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:29.680]  So like an inch has value, a yard has value, but a Federal Reserve Note, it doesn't have
[01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:35.720]  any value in that regard in that it's close and it doesn't have a fixed value in relation
[01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:36.720]  to anything else.
[01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:46.080]  But like silver has a fixed value of 371.25 grains to a silver dollar in American law.
[01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:51.680]  Yeah, I believe the proper terminology is that it would have purchasing power, not value.
[01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:52.680]  Exactly.
[01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:53.680]  Exactly.
[01:28:53.680 --> 01:28:54.680]  That's interesting.
[01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:57.920]  I just had dinner with Dr. Veath this evening.
[01:28:57.920 --> 01:28:58.920]  Oh, really?
[01:28:58.920 --> 01:28:59.920]  Fantastic.
[01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:05.680]  Yeah, he was a very good guest on Ralph's show and he doesn't usually have guests.
[01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:12.400]  But also I'd like to suggest that you consider bringing Ralph Winteroad onto your network
[01:29:12.400 --> 01:29:14.600]  or George Gordon.
[01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:21.480]  These guys are involved in the law as well and especially George, I think, doesn't have
[01:29:21.480 --> 01:29:25.680]  a great venue to talk to people right now.
[01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:33.000]  Yeah, George Gordon has a great show but the thing is that he doesn't do live shows.
[01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:37.520]  He only does podcasting and this network, we don't do podcasting here.
[01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:40.120]  We do live talk radio.
[01:29:40.120 --> 01:29:44.160]  And the other thing is that his show is syndicated and we don't have the money to pay anybody
[01:29:44.160 --> 01:29:45.640]  to be a host right now.
[01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:49.680]  I mean we're struggling like you would not believe.
[01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:52.360]  It's a miracle that we're even able to do what we're doing right now.
[01:29:52.360 --> 01:29:54.240]  So we certainly cannot pay any hosts.
[01:29:54.240 --> 01:29:59.040]  I mean we don't hardly have any sponsors but yeah, George has a great show and he was on
[01:29:59.040 --> 01:30:00.600]  We the People Radio Network.
[01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:05.240]  He did do a live talk radio for a short time but he's not into live talk radio.
[01:30:05.240 --> 01:30:08.360]  He's into doing podcasting and we don't do podcasting here.
[01:30:08.360 --> 01:30:12.800]  And as far as Ralph Winteroad is concerned, we had him on as a guest one time but then
[01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:13.920]  he hung up on Randy.
[01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:15.320]  So I don't think he's very into us.
[01:30:15.320 --> 01:30:18.320]  I think he's a little annoyed at me.
[01:30:18.320 --> 01:30:19.320]  Yeah.
[01:30:19.320 --> 01:30:25.640]  If you do get a chance to listen to his show, you'll find that he's bringing up some really
[01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:38.040]  interesting points about the tax laws and the invalidity of the government and the ways
[01:30:38.040 --> 01:30:42.720]  it's applying tax laws to the American people right now.
[01:30:42.720 --> 01:30:48.640]  I can't explain it as well as he can so I'm not going to try but anyway, that was one
[01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:49.640]  point.
[01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:50.640]  Those are a couple of points I wanted to bring up.
[01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.640]  Ralph Winteroad is a great researcher.
[01:30:53.640 --> 01:31:00.240]  Well, I think Kurt Vonnegut said it best when he said what made you idiots think paper was
[01:31:00.240 --> 01:31:01.240]  so valuable?
[01:31:01.240 --> 01:31:02.240]  Yeah.
[01:31:02.240 --> 01:31:03.240]  Sure enough.
[01:31:03.240 --> 01:31:11.120]  Well, another point that's important to know is that silver is kind of vanishing even though
[01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:19.960]  there's more silver available in the world than gold by perhaps a 15 or 18 to 1 ratio.
[01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:29.800]  A lot of it's disappearing in our industrial usages like nylon, I think it is, if you use
[01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:35.600]  the silver in its production and that gets just the terms of silver disappearing.
[01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:38.240]  There's a lot of uses for industrial uses for silver.
[01:31:38.240 --> 01:31:42.040]  There are very few industrial uses for gold.
[01:31:42.040 --> 01:31:44.760]  Most of the gold ever mined is still around somewhere.
[01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.760]  The silver on the other hand is...
[01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:51.480]  A lot of that silver is such a trace amount that it's irrecoverable once it's been used
[01:31:51.480 --> 01:31:56.520]  in those industrial uses and so in essence, silver may actually become more valuable or
[01:31:56.520 --> 01:32:02.920]  just as valuable as gold in the near future because it's disappearing in industrial uses.
[01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:09.280]  And we've pretty well mined out all the easy silver, so you're not going to find a large
[01:32:09.280 --> 01:32:10.840]  silver vein anymore.
[01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:15.960]  What you're going to find is small particles in silver as a byproduct of other mining operations.
[01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:21.800]  We'll see if the laws of supply and demand ever actually overcome the manipulation of
[01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:26.600]  spot prices in the market by the futures brokers.
[01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:30.640]  When that happens, you'll see Dr. Vieth grinning from ear to ear.
[01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:31.640]  Yeah, me too.
[01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:34.680]  Okay, listen, our call board is stacking up.
[01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:36.880]  Do you have any more questions for our guests?
[01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:43.520]  Not at the moment, thank you very much and I am giving $20 a month at this point.
[01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:44.520]  Thank you so much, Charles.
[01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:45.520]  We really appreciate it.
[01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:46.520]  Okay, thank you, Deborah.
[01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:48.280]  We really appreciate it, yes.
[01:32:48.280 --> 01:32:51.280]  We do appreciate everyone who's supporting the network right now.
[01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:56.120]  Twenty bucks a month, that's two six-packs of beer for Randy's Beer Fund.
[01:32:56.120 --> 01:32:57.960]  If it ever makes it that far.
[01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:03.040]  Okay, we're going to go now to Mark in Washington, another first-time caller.
[01:33:03.040 --> 01:33:05.280]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:33:05.280 --> 01:33:07.560]  What is your question for our guest?
[01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:11.960]  Hi, I'm sorry if I, this is a duplicate question.
[01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:20.120]  I missed the first part of the show, but I was just wondering if Larry was a non-tax payer.
[01:33:20.120 --> 01:33:21.520]  I'll be real clear about that.
[01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:24.720]  I pay every tax that is lawful.
[01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:31.200]  I do not pay federal income tax because I do not have a filing requirement to pay federal
[01:33:31.200 --> 01:33:32.200]  income tax.
[01:33:32.200 --> 01:33:33.200]  That's a great answer.
[01:33:33.200 --> 01:33:42.040]  I understand what you're saying exactly and I would like to emphasize that people make
[01:33:42.040 --> 01:33:48.760]  sure that they are following the law and when they are then they can become potentially
[01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:53.080]  non-tax payers or most people probably can be as far as I'm concerned.
[01:33:53.080 --> 01:33:55.200]  There is one website that I'm familiar with.
[01:33:55.200 --> 01:33:58.720]  It's not mine or I don't have anything to do with it per se, but I found a wealth of
[01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:00.680]  good info specific to this.
[01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:07.800]  It's called OriginalIntent.org under the education section.
[01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:09.120]  That's Dave Champkin's website.
[01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:11.320]  Yeah, he's very big into this as well.
[01:34:11.320 --> 01:34:13.480]  He's also a non-tax payer.
[01:34:13.480 --> 01:34:21.560]  Yeah, and he also has a non-tax payer.org site for other further information, but the
[01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:26.840]  education section of Original Intent, there's a lot of great detail about the constitutional
[01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:35.400]  issues as well as how people that may be able to determine for themselves if they are or
[01:34:35.400 --> 01:34:44.020]  can become non-tax payers because in my mind, it's clear to me that the vast number of people
[01:34:44.020 --> 01:34:53.040]  can and should be if they just take the proper education and follow through.
[01:34:53.040 --> 01:35:00.720]  I would say that to say that you're a non-tax payer is a misnomer because we all pay taxes
[01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:02.640]  every time we buy something.
[01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:07.360]  We pay as low on taxes, we pay state taxes, different forms of taxes.
[01:35:07.360 --> 01:35:08.360]  It does vary.
[01:35:08.360 --> 01:35:11.680]  There are a few states that don't have a so-called income tax.
[01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:15.120]  There are a few states that don't have state taxes, but I would agree generally there's
[01:35:15.120 --> 01:35:19.320]  always some taxes on certain things at a minimum even if you live in a non-income tax.
[01:35:19.320 --> 01:35:26.640]  I think if you knew how much of each dollar you spend is actually tax, you would really
[01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:29.880]  be annoyed.
[01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:31.920]  I absolutely agree with that statement.
[01:35:31.920 --> 01:35:37.680]  Anyway, that's all I had and I'd encourage people to check out the Original Intent.org
[01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:38.680]  and non-tax payer.org.
[01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:40.240]  That's all I had.
[01:35:40.240 --> 01:35:42.480]  Thank you very much for the show and keep up the great work.
[01:35:42.480 --> 01:35:43.480]  All right.
[01:35:43.480 --> 01:35:44.480]  Thank you.
[01:35:44.480 --> 01:35:45.480]  Thank you very much.
[01:35:45.480 --> 01:35:46.480]  Okay.
[01:35:46.480 --> 01:35:52.840]  We are going to go now back to Guy in Arkansas.
[01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:54.480]  Guy had another quick question.
[01:35:54.480 --> 01:35:55.680]  Guy, thanks for calling back in.
[01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:56.680]  What's on your mind?
[01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:57.680]  Yeah.
[01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:03.960]  This is just one of these subjects where as you listen on, other things pop in your mind.
[01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:11.720]  Let me ask your guest if he is familiar with Lindsay Williams and his case that he's got
[01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:12.720]  going.
[01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:18.800]  He's got a site on the web and all his documents and all his court filings are there.
[01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:20.800]  Is he familiar with Lindsay?
[01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:21.800]  Lindsay Springer.
[01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:22.800]  Excuse me.
[01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:23.800]  That's what I thought.
[01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:24.800]  Lindsay Springer?
[01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:25.800]  Yeah.
[01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:26.800]  Lindsay Springer.
[01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:27.800]  Excuse me.
[01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:28.800]  Lindsay Springer.
[01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:32.760]  I am aware of Lindsay's work.
[01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:40.040]  I have not followed the case because I'm just too busy with my own, you know, battles here.
[01:36:40.040 --> 01:36:41.040]  Yeah.
[01:36:41.040 --> 01:36:45.720]  He's got some very incriminating evidence in his discovery.
[01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:50.600]  It would be well worth your while to check out his documents and look them over.
[01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:57.040]  His latest that he discovered was that in the code it says that you're supposed to report
[01:36:57.040 --> 01:36:59.920]  to the nearest district.
[01:36:59.920 --> 01:37:07.360]  He found out that back, I believe it was back in the mid or late 80s, that the IRS closed
[01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:11.640]  all their district offices and retracted them all back to Washington.
[01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:14.960]  So now there are no district offices.
[01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:18.360]  So he's got them in a trick bag there.
[01:37:18.360 --> 01:37:24.120]  Also, yeah, with Ralph Winter wrote on, I don't mean to speak for him and put words
[01:37:24.120 --> 01:37:28.720]  in his mouth, but it sounds like he doesn't have a tolerance for somebody, for anybody
[01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:33.800]  in that tribe that maybe sounds even sounds like he's being counterdicted or challenged
[01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:34.800]  or something.
[01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:39.480]  And I listen to his program every Sunday and I guarantee you, you really need to go to
[01:37:39.480 --> 01:37:45.560]  that evil rival radio station, RBN, and listen to his archives on Sunday.
[01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:50.400]  I think you got to pay him, pay $1.33 now for archives, but it's well worth it because
[01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:57.320]  what he's done is he's found in the Federal Register that the IRS is not filing, is not
[01:37:57.320 --> 01:38:02.560]  reporting into the Federal Register, their regulations and-
[01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:04.200]  Yes, I know, Guy.
[01:38:04.200 --> 01:38:08.760]  We talked about that on this show when he was a guest and we asked him where in the
[01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:11.080]  Federal Register and he couldn't tell us.
[01:38:11.080 --> 01:38:16.920]  He was just like, just look it up and there's like 20, 30,000 pages of the Federal Register
[01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:20.280]  every day that's new, that was ridiculous.
[01:38:20.280 --> 01:38:22.080]  That's why he's upset at me.
[01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:26.960]  He said that the Constitution doesn't apply.
[01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:31.840]  I mean we need a little bit more information than just look up in the Federal Register
[01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.080]  when they add 20, 30,000 pages a day.
[01:38:34.080 --> 01:38:40.960]  Well, the thing is the IRS has had the, the law does require that any statute enacted
[01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:45.960]  by the Federal Government be in the Federal Register, but what the IRS has done is they
[01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:50.960]  have had that declared as one of their frivolous arguments.
[01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:56.320]  So even bringing it up before an IRS tax board isn't going to do you one bit of good.
[01:38:56.320 --> 01:38:58.840]  Well, no, that wasn't the issue.
[01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:04.200]  Ralph was saying that the law is in the Federal Register and I said, well, yeah, I know that's
[01:39:04.200 --> 01:39:06.640]  really nice, but could you be a little more specific?
[01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:08.440]  Oh, just look in the Federal Register.
[01:39:08.440 --> 01:39:12.640]  Yeah, yeah, I know Ralph, but that's like 35,000 pages.
[01:39:12.640 --> 01:39:13.960]  Can you be a little more specific?
[01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:16.960]  Oh, it's in the Federal Register.
[01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:20.560]  And finally, he got annoyed with him.
[01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:24.800]  I don't really have a gripe with, with, you know, it's pretty rude.
[01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:29.400]  He actually goes into the Federal Register and he does tell you exactly where in the
[01:39:29.400 --> 01:39:35.000]  Federal Register to find the IRS information that doesn't apply to any of us.
[01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:38.320]  And that's all I wanted to bring up tonight.
[01:39:38.320 --> 01:39:39.640]  I don't have a problem with him.
[01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:45.320]  It's just that show, he was on a cell phone somewhere and he's having trouble talking
[01:39:45.320 --> 01:39:51.640]  to us and I think maybe we were both in a bad mood, but he hasn't talked to me since.
[01:39:51.640 --> 01:39:54.840]  Okay, thank you folks and I'll pass the phone over to somebody else.
[01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:55.840]  Thank you.
[01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:56.840]  Bye-bye.
[01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:59.760]  Okay, actually at this point we have open phone lines and we've got about 20 minutes
[01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:05.760]  left of the show, so callers, if you'd like to call in, now's your chance.
[01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:13.680]  If we could, while we're waiting for somebody else to call in, when Taylor called a while
[01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:20.080]  ago, we were talking about that 1096, there's another document too that kind of escapes
[01:40:20.080 --> 01:40:29.240]  most people, it's 13496 and when there's a substitute for return, that is the verification
[01:40:29.240 --> 01:40:34.400]  document and if that particular document is not there, it's in essence the affidavit of
[01:40:34.400 --> 01:40:42.880]  a probable cause for the IRS agent to construct a substitute for return under 6020B.
[01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:49.160]  So if you have that situation, you want to use the FOIA request to go after that document
[01:40:49.160 --> 01:40:51.520]  and see if they've actually put it in the record.
[01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:58.560]  If they haven't put it in the record, then the substitute for return is invalid.
[01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:05.560]  Okay, when do we look for this particular document?
[01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:10.600]  This is when the IRS files a substitute for return?
[01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:12.080]  A substitute for return, yes.
[01:41:12.080 --> 01:41:16.600]  Okay, is that when they find that you haven't filed a return and they file one for you?
[01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:17.600]  That's right.
[01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:23.520]  If you do not file, then they will file a substitute for return for you and they will
[01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:30.880]  file it, it will be the authority is the 6020B and in order for that to be a valid form,
[01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:38.480]  they have to complete this 13496 and it has to be signed by the revenue agent, it also
[01:41:38.480 --> 01:41:46.720]  has to be dated prior to any assessment if they do an assessment.
[01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:55.000]  And a notice of deficiency is not an assessment, it is a proposed assessment and if you do
[01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:59.720]  not follow through with a notice of deficiency, then they will make the assessment.
[01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:04.760]  If you petition tax court, then they have to hold off on the assessment until the tax
[01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:06.480]  court has ruled on it.
[01:42:06.480 --> 01:42:11.720]  If you take that upstairs, if you get a bad rule in tax court and you appeal to the appellate
[01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:17.080]  court, they cannot make an assessment until the appeals court is done with it and that's
[01:42:17.080 --> 01:42:21.040]  actually if you take it to the Supreme Court, they can do nothing until the court is done
[01:42:21.040 --> 01:42:22.040]  with it.
[01:42:22.040 --> 01:42:29.640]  So, go after that 13496 if there is a substitute for return issue.
[01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:36.480]  All right, and we've got our caller's calling back in now also.
[01:42:36.480 --> 01:42:44.120]  One question, if you take on the tax, if you challenge the tax, do the fines and fees and
[01:42:44.120 --> 01:42:49.760]  interest still accumulate or does that stop until the litigation ends?
[01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:53.040]  I'm sorry, I didn't get all that.
[01:42:53.040 --> 01:43:02.640]  If you challenge the tax assessment or the notice of deficiency, do the fines and fees
[01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.680]  continue or do they stop until the challenge is ended?
[01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:08.680]  No, they continue to run.
[01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:16.280]  The only one that stops would be if they have charged you under 6654 for estimated and you
[01:43:16.280 --> 01:43:21.080]  did not file the year before, then it is invalid, doesn't apply.
[01:43:21.080 --> 01:43:29.920]  You have to have a previous history of filing before the estimated tax penalty can apply.
[01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:35.880]  So, fighting your tax return, they can make it extremely dangerous.
[01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:36.880]  Absolutely.
[01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:41.120]  Okay, and we've got our caller's calling back in.
[01:43:41.120 --> 01:43:44.680]  Let's go to Tim in Texas.
[01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:46.680]  Tim, thanks for calling in.
[01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:47.680]  What's your question?
[01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:50.680]  Well, I just want to make a comment.
[01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:55.440]  The previous discussion about the Federal Register, the information that you were looking
[01:43:55.440 --> 01:43:59.640]  for, Randy, on the section, I think I've got that for you.
[01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:03.280]  Do you want the site from the Federal Register?
[01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:07.440]  Oh, wait, which information is that?
[01:44:07.440 --> 01:44:11.320]  That was the discussion with Ralph Winneroad and how he's done the search into the Administrative
[01:44:11.320 --> 01:44:16.240]  Procedures Act and the documents filed in the Federal Register.
[01:44:16.240 --> 01:44:18.880]  No, this was several months ago.
[01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:26.440]  He was saying how the statutes didn't apply, the Constitution didn't apply, the common
[01:44:26.440 --> 01:44:28.480]  law didn't apply.
[01:44:28.480 --> 01:44:33.160]  Well, that's not what I was referring to, actually.
[01:44:33.160 --> 01:44:39.600]  This was the issue I had with Ralph Winneroad and I asked him, I don't even remember what
[01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:44.560]  the specific issue we were talking about was, and he was saying none of the supply wasn't
[01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:48.720]  what applies, and he said, well, look in the Federal Register, it's in the Federal Register.
[01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:50.200]  I said, okay, but where?
[01:44:50.200 --> 01:44:55.640]  And he never would tell me, he was just, look in the Federal Register, 35,000 pages.
[01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.920]  So yeah, I wasn't particularly looking for an issue right now.
[01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:02.600]  Go ahead, Tim did have a particular issue, though.
[01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:07.040]  Well, what I'm trying to say is I've got that document from the Federal Register that he
[01:45:07.040 --> 01:45:11.400]  was referring to when he said, look it up, I've got the document.
[01:45:11.400 --> 01:45:14.040]  Okay.
[01:45:14.040 --> 01:45:15.520]  What is the title of the document?
[01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.680]  I can look it up on Alexis.
[01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:22.280]  I can give you the, let's see here, what is it?
[01:45:22.280 --> 01:45:28.000]  It's volume 32 of the Federal Register, so it's 32 FR 15241.
[01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:34.480]  Okay, I can look that up.
[01:45:34.480 --> 01:45:39.960]  And the basic premise there is that people being prosecuted under statutes like 6331,
[01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:46.080]  or I'm sorry, 6041 or something like that.
[01:45:46.080 --> 01:45:51.600]  And when you look at the corresponding regulations, the regulations are in the Part 301 regulations,
[01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:55.920]  which are in this Federal Register document I just mentioned.
[01:45:55.920 --> 01:46:01.960]  And according to Chrysler v. Brown, which is a Supreme Court case from, I think, 1978,
[01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:07.600]  they ruled that the Part 301 regs are interpretive and not substantive regulations, and that's
[01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:12.760]  all of his, in a nutshell, what he's talking about with the Federal Register.
[01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:16.680]  And I thought Larry might find this interesting, too, if he's not aware of it already.
[01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:22.960]  But the problem with this is that- Do you have the address of Chrysler v. Brown?
[01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:24.680]  I can email it to you.
[01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:28.520]  Okay, good, wonderful.
[01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:39.840]  So now, is he saying that if you're prosecuted under 6041, that now, what are the regs,
[01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:44.400]  Part 301, go to that are interpretive?
[01:46:44.400 --> 01:46:48.240]  Well, that's where Chrysler v. Brown comes in.
[01:46:48.240 --> 01:46:54.360]  They basically said that the regulations in there are interpretive regulations.
[01:46:54.360 --> 01:46:56.600]  What do the regulations go to?
[01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:59.440]  What are you talking about?
[01:46:59.440 --> 01:47:02.720]  I'm not sure I understand your question.
[01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:08.240]  Okay, you have regulations under Part, you have Part 301 regulations.
[01:47:08.240 --> 01:47:11.680]  Okay, I see what you're talking about.
[01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:17.840]  Okay, according to the Administrative Procedures Act, agencies of the government are required
[01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:22.720]  to publish their rules and regulations in the Federal Register.
[01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:30.740]  And according to the APA, they are required to tell us whether they are interpretive or
[01:47:30.740 --> 01:47:33.080]  substantive regulations.
[01:47:33.080 --> 01:47:39.840]  The way they do that is by saying that, okay, 5 U.S.C. 553 applies or does not apply.
[01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:47.920]  Because 5 U.S.C. 553 is where if it does apply to us, meaning it's substantive regulations,
[01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:53.720]  then 553 must apply, which means they must give, they must publish in the Federal Register,
[01:47:53.720 --> 01:48:00.160]  they must give us notice and opportunity to comment on the regulation.
[01:48:00.160 --> 01:48:03.840]  That's my understanding of what Ralph was talking about.
[01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:04.840]  And if it's interpretive?
[01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:07.120]  And when they did that, I'm sorry?
[01:48:07.120 --> 01:48:10.000]  If it's interpretive, then what?
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:16.400]  Then it's internal for agency employees only, for federal employees only.
[01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:22.080]  And that's what the Part 301 regs are, according to what he's talking about, is that it proves,
[01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:28.400]  it's another nugget of proof that they're enforcing regulations against the average
[01:48:28.400 --> 01:48:36.040]  American citizen when in fact these regulations only apply to internal agency employees.
[01:48:36.040 --> 01:48:38.040]  And that's where Chrysler v. Brown comes in.
[01:48:38.040 --> 01:48:39.040]  Okay.
[01:48:39.040 --> 01:48:48.040]  One of the things I've noticed, the Code of Federal Regulations, you'll find that the...
[01:48:48.040 --> 01:48:52.960]  Go ahead, Larry.
[01:48:52.960 --> 01:49:00.400]  With the Code of Federal Regulations, you'll see that the 26 CFR, Section 1 applies to
[01:49:00.400 --> 01:49:07.640]  individuals, 31 is employment tax, and 301 is artificial entities or corporations.
[01:49:07.640 --> 01:49:09.000]  Right.
[01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:10.000]  That's correct.
[01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:12.000]  That's consistent with what Ralph was saying.
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:13.000]  Yeah.
[01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:14.000]  But the...
[01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.240]  The only one that you're...
[01:49:16.240 --> 01:49:17.520]  There is no...
[01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:23.360]  The regulations that they're enforcing against non-federal employees, it's not being brought
[01:49:23.360 --> 01:49:25.400]  up that there is no Part 1 regulation.
[01:49:25.400 --> 01:49:29.680]  I mean, Larry, you may know more about this than I do, but what Ralph was basically saying,
[01:49:29.680 --> 01:49:33.360]  if there is no regulation in Part 1, then it doesn't apply to us.
[01:49:33.360 --> 01:49:35.400]  Do you agree or disagree?
[01:49:35.400 --> 01:49:42.120]  Well, I would say this, that Part 1 applies to anybody that's under the federal jurisdiction.
[01:49:42.120 --> 01:49:46.560]  And from what I can tell from the information I have with the 1040 form, that's...
[01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:50.760]  You have to be under contract with the federal government, either as an individual, and understand
[01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:55.160]  that trusts are considered individuals.
[01:49:55.160 --> 01:50:03.360]  So I think that might explain why tax class 2 is the taxable trust income.
[01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:10.240]  So the issue of individual is the employees of the federal government.
[01:50:10.240 --> 01:50:11.240]  Okay.
[01:50:11.240 --> 01:50:12.240]  What about...
[01:50:12.240 --> 01:50:19.680]  Anyways, Randy, I'll send you this, that Christopher Brown site, and if you want me to send you
[01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:24.720]  this on a disk, it's a 15-megabyte file that could press your email system, but...
[01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:26.560]  No, just send me the address.
[01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:28.120]  I can look it up on Lexus.
[01:50:28.120 --> 01:50:29.120]  Okay.
[01:50:29.120 --> 01:50:30.120]  That way I'll pull it down.
[01:50:30.120 --> 01:50:31.120]  I can shepardize it.
[01:50:31.120 --> 01:50:32.120]  Okay.
[01:50:32.120 --> 01:50:33.120]  All right.
[01:50:33.120 --> 01:50:40.080]  Well, I just wanted to offer that up to kind of hopefully clear that up a little bit.
[01:50:40.080 --> 01:50:41.080]  That does.
[01:50:41.080 --> 01:50:42.080]  Thank you.
[01:50:42.080 --> 01:50:43.080]  All right.
[01:50:43.080 --> 01:50:44.080]  Don't get me wrong.
[01:50:44.080 --> 01:50:45.080]  I don't have anything against Ralph.
[01:50:45.080 --> 01:50:49.560]  I think we were both having a bad day, and it may have been that we were misunderstanding
[01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:50.560]  each other.
[01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:56.040]  I'm just trying to bring you for more specifics, and I think he was kind of under the impression
[01:50:56.040 --> 01:50:58.080]  that I already knew something that I didn't.
[01:50:58.080 --> 01:51:02.040]  Well, he's got kind of a unique temperament, too, so...
[01:51:02.040 --> 01:51:03.040]  It was kind of a...
[01:51:03.040 --> 01:51:04.680]  You know, I thought it was funny later.
[01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:08.720]  He finally got annoyed at me and hung up, but...
[01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:13.080]  I think maybe his cell phone just went out because he was in Alaska driving through the
[01:51:13.080 --> 01:51:14.640]  tundra.
[01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:16.160]  I like to think he hung up on me.
[01:51:16.160 --> 01:51:17.160]  Yeah.
[01:51:17.160 --> 01:51:18.160]  It would be more fun that way.
[01:51:18.160 --> 01:51:19.160]  Could be possible.
[01:51:19.160 --> 01:51:20.160]  Okay.
[01:51:20.160 --> 01:51:21.160]  We have one other caller.
[01:51:21.160 --> 01:51:22.160]  Thank you.
[01:51:22.160 --> 01:51:23.160]  Thank you, Tim.
[01:51:23.160 --> 01:51:24.160]  All right.
[01:51:24.160 --> 01:51:25.160]  Bye-bye.
[01:51:25.160 --> 01:51:26.160]  Okay.
[01:51:26.160 --> 01:51:27.160]  Matt from Texas called back in.
[01:51:27.160 --> 01:51:28.160]  Yeah.
[01:51:28.160 --> 01:51:33.880]  I actually had a question for Randy, how he would handle the situation with regard to
[01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:43.040]  the IRS and, you know, going to CDPH with the anticipation that the CDPH officer may
[01:51:43.040 --> 01:51:47.600]  or would likely just say, well, yeah, it's frivolous just because it's frivolous, and
[01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:55.280]  I'm not really inclined to show you on here specifically where your, you know, return
[01:51:55.280 --> 01:52:01.480]  actually qualifies as an established frivolous filing.
[01:52:01.480 --> 01:52:09.720]  So anticipating that, I mean, that would obviously fall under color of law and official oppression.
[01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:19.000]  So what I'm wondering is, is would this be something that I could file a criminal complaint
[01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:25.120]  against that particular agent in the state of Texas, or would that automatically be pulled
[01:52:25.120 --> 01:52:31.520]  out in the federal courts and, you know, he would have protection from his federal buddies
[01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:32.520]  that way?
[01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:34.320]  How would you handle that, Randy?
[01:52:34.320 --> 01:52:35.320]  Okay.
[01:52:35.320 --> 01:52:40.560]  That brings up a question I'd want to ask Larry, and it's a question that I've needed
[01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.960]  answered for a while.
[01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:50.760]  Where does an agent get a personal authority to assess this frivolous filing fine?
[01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:56.760]  Larry, can you address that?
[01:52:56.760 --> 01:53:08.080]  I'm trying to remember what the, I think it's 7601 or 7602, the frivolous filing, but what
[01:53:08.080 --> 01:53:15.000]  you'll find there when you go read that and read the regulations that's specific to that,
[01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:23.880]  the frivolous filing is a return that has information on it that you could determine
[01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:31.520]  a tax liability that is not correct, which has been deliberately obscured so that they
[01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:34.440]  couldn't make a proper determination.
[01:53:34.440 --> 01:53:36.440]  That's frivolous filing.
[01:53:36.440 --> 01:53:42.320]  But as far as your appeals office, one thing I'd advise you to do if you're going to an
[01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:48.760]  appeals, you need to go to the Internal Revenue Manual online at IRS.gov, go in there and
[01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:56.160]  you'll find the specific sections that tell you what the authority of the appeals office
[01:53:56.160 --> 01:54:02.200]  is and you need to read that because your appeals office in the administrative forum
[01:54:02.200 --> 01:54:03.760]  there is a trial court.
[01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:07.440]  No, I think that's not really what he was looking for.
[01:54:07.440 --> 01:54:16.280]  The agent himself, the one who would accuse you of a frivolous filing, you indicated earlier
[01:54:16.280 --> 01:54:24.720]  that an agent accused you of a frivolous filing when it wasn't a frivolous filing.
[01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:32.600]  From my perspective, from due process, if a public official exerts or purports to exert
[01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:38.960]  an authority he does not specifically have, if he is a federal employee, he violates 18
[01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:43.120]  U.S. Code 242 and that's a federal crime.
[01:54:43.120 --> 01:54:49.440]  If he's in the state of Texas, he violates 39.03 Penal Code, which is a Class A misdemeanor
[01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:56.560]  in Texas and I would want him arrested and I would maintain that would disqualify him
[01:54:56.560 --> 01:55:02.200]  as a credible person and deny him subject matter jurisdiction to act in any official
[01:55:02.200 --> 01:55:04.320]  capacity.
[01:55:04.320 --> 01:55:11.520]  I've been suggesting that people stop arguing with the IRS quite so much and go after the
[01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:19.360]  agent for his improprieties, if the agent acts inappropriate, there's a statute in there
[01:55:19.360 --> 01:55:28.600]  and I think it's in 76 or 71, I think 7102, it's been a while since I looked at it, but
[01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:36.400]  it specifically directs the IRS agent to obey all law in the collection of the taxes.
[01:55:36.400 --> 01:55:43.720]  So it's kind of like when I was in the military in Vietnam, loading weapons, flying fire support
[01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:49.160]  for people on the ground, one of which was my twin brother, they would give us 10 times
[01:55:49.160 --> 01:55:55.000]  the amount of bombs we could legally load, but we were flying fire support for troops
[01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:59.240]  so we didn't care what they gave us, we loaded it and then they came down and said, you will
[01:55:59.240 --> 01:56:02.840]  load everything by the book.
[01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:08.940]  So we're caught in a catch-22, so whatever they give us, we load it, but if anything
[01:56:08.940 --> 01:56:11.400]  went wrong, we're responsible.
[01:56:11.400 --> 01:56:16.280]  That looks like what the IRS has done to the agents, in order for them to keep up with
[01:56:16.280 --> 01:56:21.240]  their collections, they have to cut corners, but the IRS told them, you've got to follow
[01:56:21.240 --> 01:56:22.240]  all the law.
[01:56:22.240 --> 01:56:24.840]  Okay, wait a second, wait a second, listen, we're coming up at the end of the show, we
[01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:30.640]  got two minutes left, literally, I want to give the last couple minutes to our guest
[01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:34.120]  Larry to wrap things up before the end of the show, because we don't have any more callers
[01:56:34.120 --> 01:56:37.360]  on the line, so we're not going to over time, so please Larry, go ahead and wrap things
[01:56:37.360 --> 01:56:40.360]  up, any closing comments, and thank you Matt for calling back in.
[01:56:40.360 --> 01:56:41.360]  Thanks.
[01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:44.360]  Okay, go ahead Larry.
[01:56:44.360 --> 01:56:50.200]  What you're talking about there is correct, the laws have to be followed, but you have
[01:56:50.200 --> 01:56:54.760]  to know what they are, you have to know what those procedures are, and if you don't know
[01:56:54.760 --> 01:57:00.600]  them, you're wandering around out in the wilderness with your eyes shut, and that's probably
[01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:02.480]  not going to be a good idea to do.
[01:57:02.480 --> 01:57:07.240]  Now the other thing about charging these people criminally is you're going to have to convince
[01:57:07.240 --> 01:57:12.280]  a law enforcement officer that this is a crime, and I'll tell you what they're going to say,
[01:57:12.280 --> 01:57:16.880]  that is federal, I don't want nothing to do with it, you go talk to the federal prosecutors
[01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:20.000]  about it, they're going to send you home.
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:23.560]  Wait, that's what I do.
[01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:29.080]  That officer can say anything he wants to, and I hope that he says that, because then
[01:57:29.080 --> 01:57:34.720]  I get to land right square in the middle of him and take him to a grand jury, and first
[01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:38.480]  I'll go to the district attorney and the district attorney will do the same thing, then we take
[01:57:38.480 --> 01:57:44.280]  them all to the grand jury, everybody who tries to step in between and protect the person
[01:57:44.280 --> 01:57:50.220]  before winds up touching the tar baby and sticks to it, gets charged with it.
[01:57:50.220 --> 01:57:56.080]  Everybody gets really unhappy, they all get all of their careers threatened, this is how
[01:57:56.080 --> 01:57:57.080]  we get it fixed.
[01:57:57.080 --> 01:58:03.640]  I like your idea, that's what I have to do, but in order to do that people are going to
[01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:07.480]  have to be ready to step into the battle, because I guarantee you the shots are going
[01:58:07.480 --> 01:58:08.480]  to be fired.
[01:58:08.480 --> 01:58:15.480]  So go after all of them.
[01:58:15.480 --> 01:58:22.160]  Okay yeah, we're at the end of the show, thank you very much Larry for joining us tonight,
[01:58:22.160 --> 01:58:27.480]  and we're making it so that these people can't just say and do whatever they want, because
[01:58:27.480 --> 01:58:32.840]  even though they may be sovereign humans like the rest of us, when I go into my job, I can't
[01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:37.080]  just do and say whatever I want, I have to follow certain restrictions and certain codes
[01:58:37.080 --> 01:58:42.000]  and guidelines by my employer, and we are these people's employers, so they're going
[01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:45.800]  to have to follow certain restrictions and guidelines too, they can't just say and do
[01:58:45.800 --> 01:58:46.800]  whatever they want.
[01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:51.480]  They think they can, and they try to get away with it now, but it ain't going to last, so
[01:58:51.480 --> 01:58:58.480]  we'll be back Monday, we are going to have justice into the rule of law.
[01:59:21.480 --> 01:59:28.480]  Okay, we're at the end of the show, thank you very much Larry for joining us tonight,
[01:59:51.480 --> 01:59:58.560]  and we'll be back Monday.