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[03:59.400 --> 04:01.400] Okay, we are back
[04:01.960 --> 04:03.960] after hours after midnight
[04:03.960 --> 04:05.960] Special edition of the rule of law
[04:10.200 --> 04:12.280] Bringing it to you. We got our special guest Paul
[04:12.920 --> 04:18.200] Randy's hanging in there way past his bedtime. We got Eddie Craig myself Deborah Stevens
[04:18.200 --> 04:23.480] we are talking with Jean in Wisconsin, we've got Amy Doug and
[04:24.240 --> 04:26.240] Hans waiting in the wings
[04:26.240 --> 04:34.480] Callers stay on the line and we will take your calls. So okay, Jean go ahead. You had another question. Well, yeah
[04:34.480 --> 04:39.560] I just was hoping Paul would finish talking about where we were at about the yes
[04:40.000 --> 04:42.000] If I could find out their insurance
[04:43.440 --> 04:45.440] Who supplies their insurance
[04:46.940 --> 04:52.080] Talking about it went to the attorney and while my taxes were given to the attorney now
[04:52.080 --> 04:55.640] I did go back to the city and I did ask them to give me an updated bill
[04:55.640 --> 05:01.440] But maybe I could just get an updated bill for the attorney and then write it in write it in or something on the city's
[05:01.440 --> 05:03.960] Bill or something. I'm not exactly sure how to manage that
[05:05.680 --> 05:10.340] Well, how you manage it is they've turned this over to an attorney for collection
[05:10.880 --> 05:17.700] Right. And what you need to do is you need to be assured that the proper party is
[05:18.040 --> 05:20.960] Credited for the exact amount it is due and owed
[05:20.960 --> 05:26.120] So you're going to ask the county to reissue a
[05:28.840 --> 05:30.360] Current
[05:30.360 --> 05:33.400] liability presentment, you know, what you and
[05:33.920 --> 05:39.600] You I would suggest you know that because of the mail and the time it's going to take to get it to me that
[05:39.920 --> 05:45.240] Go ahead and and figure up the interest to you know, let me pay it two weeks from now
[05:45.240 --> 05:50.240] And any penalties and send me a new bill and you can send a copy to this lawyer
[05:50.240 --> 05:56.760] I just want to get the bill from you so I can pay it and my my account is requiring I get a current bill
[05:57.720 --> 05:59.720] Okay, and we'll send you a new bill
[06:01.000 --> 06:06.920] They should if they don't then there's you know, but that that's your presentment. It's on that presentment. You're gonna make your
[06:07.520 --> 06:12.080] Your money order and but but as I say do it through a notary and do it through a notary
[06:12.080 --> 06:16.000] Receptor where the all of stuff is going to go back to the notary not to you
[06:18.640 --> 06:20.520] Right, okay
[06:20.520 --> 06:24.200] And what if what if it goes bad? What if they say no, we're gonna do that
[06:24.720 --> 06:26.720] What well, they're gonna say that
[06:26.720 --> 06:31.400] They're exactly that's exactly what they're gonna do because they're gonna think that you don't know what you're doing and that
[06:32.160 --> 06:34.160] You're trying to screw them somehow
[06:34.840 --> 06:37.800] But they're probably not going to return the instrument to you
[06:37.800 --> 06:42.560] They're just going to tell you but it's not that's what they what you've sent them isn't any good
[06:45.040 --> 06:48.640] But they're going to take that instrument that you sent them and they're going to monetize it
[06:49.040 --> 06:52.280] Because they know the county attorney believe me knows what the heck you've done
[06:54.200 --> 07:00.920] So when when that happens that's where you're going to get off into there in there impeding the bankruptcy
[07:01.120 --> 07:03.120] most important phrase
[07:03.120 --> 07:08.600] HGR 192 you ever read that whole piece of legislation sure have
[07:09.360 --> 07:14.400] Okay, the only way you have to discharge a debt is this way
[07:15.640 --> 07:21.720] They didn't send you the check with the statement. They just sent you the statement. So that became your check
[07:22.560 --> 07:23.720] right
[07:23.720 --> 07:26.800] They've been paid for all this through their block grants
[07:27.440 --> 07:31.440] Before you ever even saw this they got a block grant to cover all of this
[07:31.440 --> 07:33.560] That's why I was asking about that
[07:35.800 --> 07:39.280] Well to find that out you have to go to an IRS form
[07:40.600 --> 07:42.000] I
[07:42.000 --> 07:46.800] Don't keep all these farm numbers in them. I think it's a 4506 T
[07:48.680 --> 07:51.980] But if you do that and request an 1120
[07:53.960 --> 07:57.920] And go you should have a field office somewhere around there for the IRS
[07:57.920 --> 08:05.480] Right the one I use I've got one in Austin and one in Houston, but it's a W and I field assistance
[08:09.240 --> 08:15.880] Go into that office and you prepare this form and you ask them to produce who all's use your your
[08:16.960 --> 08:20.160] 1099 I'll guarantee that County uses somewhere along the way
[08:20.440 --> 08:26.400] But that's what they use to get their block grants and then they use the funding that you send them for all this property tax
[08:26.400 --> 08:28.400] to
[08:28.440 --> 08:33.600] Send it on to Washington that you know, we're good little boys. We collect all this tax. We want some more block grants
[08:36.560 --> 08:38.560] Okay
[08:38.680 --> 08:45.920] And then now is this lawyer is this this a law firm is the third party interloper right, right
[08:49.120 --> 08:52.000] How many how many lawyers are in that law firm
[08:52.000 --> 08:58.400] Oh, I'm not sure. I think there's like five of them. Well, that's good. They all have malpractice insurance
[08:58.400 --> 09:00.400] They all have error on a mission insurance
[09:01.040 --> 09:05.800] Okay, we don't just name the guy that's coming after you name all five of them plus the firm
[09:06.960 --> 09:14.840] Okay, and you start a process of are you sure you want to be in this again through the notary?
[09:14.840 --> 09:21.640] They're a third party interloper. They have no interest in the deal. They have no concern. They have no consideration
[09:21.640 --> 09:23.640] You do not have a contract with them
[09:24.680 --> 09:29.400] and so you're going to give them the opportunity to cure this problem by withdrawing and
[09:29.720 --> 09:34.440] If they don't want to do that, then there's going to be some more severe things that go go on
[09:37.160 --> 09:41.720] One of which is going to be you know, a huge lien you're going to put on and
[09:41.720 --> 09:44.440] Then complaints of the bar association
[09:46.200 --> 09:48.200] Can you do that through a negative environment
[09:49.560 --> 09:51.560] You certainly can
[09:51.880 --> 09:52.920] Okay
[09:52.920 --> 09:59.240] In other words, I could actually give them what x number of days to withdraw and if they don't withdraw with them
[10:00.120 --> 10:04.920] I'll show you the contract that you have with them. Oh, okay. Okay
[10:06.920 --> 10:09.960] They're trying to they're trying to get money out of you
[10:09.960 --> 10:16.760] And they have no interest in the deal. They're they're saying they're the agent and representative of this taxing entity. That's fine
[10:18.120 --> 10:20.120] but
[10:20.120 --> 10:22.120] And the letter they sent to me
[10:22.280 --> 10:27.640] Okay saying that they were going to sue me when I when I accepted that for value. That's not a contract with them
[10:28.440 --> 10:29.880] Is that correct?
[10:29.880 --> 10:33.720] Well, it's not if you return it for like I read to you return it for
[10:33.720 --> 10:36.840] Accepted and returned for assessed value
[10:38.040 --> 10:44.920] That's the amount they said that you owed the assessed value for closure and settlement of this accounting
[10:47.480 --> 10:52.360] Then you sign that as your you know your and you put your social or your ein number
[10:53.000 --> 10:55.500] You sign it as the authorized representative
[10:57.000 --> 10:59.000] And on the bottom of the page
[10:59.000 --> 11:08.680] You sign it as the authorized representative and on the bottom of their bill you write the money order pay to whatever taxing agency. This is
[11:09.860 --> 11:16.220] 8,500 whatever the amount is and below that you sign by your name ein number again authorized representative
[11:17.240 --> 11:24.760] And mail it back to them under a registered mail. Oh, i'm, sorry. I just said I just said return for settlement. That's all I said
[11:24.760 --> 11:28.280] Okay. Well, you're you've got to have a few more terms in there
[11:29.000 --> 11:31.000] So I might be in a little bit of trouble there
[11:31.480 --> 11:34.920] No, you're not. No just that's what i'm telling you get a new bill
[11:36.360 --> 11:37.640] Okay. All right
[11:37.640 --> 11:41.480] Now, you know, I I did call the city and I did try to get a new bill out of them
[11:41.560 --> 11:44.520] They said we're sorry you have to go through the third party interloper
[11:44.520 --> 11:49.320] So it sounds like i've got to get rid of the third party interloper first and then get a new bill. No, you don't
[11:49.880 --> 11:51.800] No, you don't
[11:51.800 --> 11:57.960] You write to the mayor of your city and to every member of your city council and say I am attempting to pay
[11:58.120 --> 12:00.120] a tax that you say I owe
[12:00.440 --> 12:07.820] And your recording tax assessor collector is unwilling to present me with a current statement of obligation
[12:13.400 --> 12:15.400] Is it your practice as a city
[12:16.440 --> 12:20.200] to ignore a citizen taxpayer who is wishing to
[12:20.200 --> 12:21.300] to
[12:21.300 --> 12:23.460] satisfy an obligation to you
[12:26.980 --> 12:28.980] Excellent
[12:30.500 --> 12:32.500] Excellent
[12:35.020 --> 12:41.420] That's it for me I appreciate it you you've answered my question just perfectly. Thank you. Okay
[12:43.100 --> 12:46.220] I do have a good even I do hope you come back man
[12:46.220 --> 12:52.460] I mean I was riveted to my seat all the while so in the immortal words of shakespeare adios and good night
[12:53.820 --> 12:59.340] All right. Good night everybody. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Jean. I appreciate that. Appreciate the call
[13:02.140 --> 13:04.700] Okay, we're going now to
[13:07.740 --> 13:09.740] Doug in texas
[13:10.780 --> 13:12.780] Doug what is your question for our guest?
[13:13.340 --> 13:14.220] uh
[13:14.220 --> 13:22.220] Paul i've asked this question numerous times. I've never had a satisfactory answer. I can barely hear you. Can you speak up? Doug?
[13:22.860 --> 13:28.140] Okay, i've asked this question numerous times to numerous people
[13:28.780 --> 13:30.780] And i've never had a satisfactory
[13:31.400 --> 13:32.700] answer
[13:32.700 --> 13:36.460] what happened to the 13th amendment of the
[13:37.480 --> 13:40.700] constitution for the united states of america
[13:40.700 --> 13:47.900] They uh ignored it and replaced it with what now is the 13th amendment, which should have been the 14th amendment
[13:48.540 --> 13:50.540] right
[13:50.540 --> 13:55.100] They panicked. They waited it out. That's well
[13:56.140 --> 13:59.820] I'm trying to think back. I think it was when there was no
[14:01.100 --> 14:04.300] Legitimately seated congress when they did it
[14:05.180 --> 14:07.740] and it was when they were reorganizing the government
[14:07.740 --> 14:10.380] And they basically just whited it out. Yes
[14:11.020 --> 14:14.860] Okay. Well that would would have solved most of our problems
[14:14.940 --> 14:21.420] We solved all of our problems the lawyers there would not be a lawyer sitting anywhere in government anywhere
[14:22.140 --> 14:23.180] right
[14:23.180 --> 14:25.820] And and i've talked to tommy crier
[14:26.220 --> 14:32.540] You know you're familiar with tommy crier right i'm very familiar with him. Yes, and uh,
[14:32.540 --> 14:38.300] frederick graves and they will they're bar-card guys and they deny
[14:38.940 --> 14:42.700] The dar is a uh an acronym
[14:43.420 --> 14:45.420] In other words, they won't admit
[14:45.580 --> 14:49.580] That they are agents of a foreign entity
[14:50.220 --> 14:53.820] Well, they're they're headquartered in the city of london right?
[14:54.940 --> 14:56.940] And the operation for their
[14:56.940 --> 15:03.680] And the operation for their uh organization in this country is in chicago and it is a communist organization
[15:04.620 --> 15:06.620] right
[15:06.620 --> 15:10.480] And my father had a law degree from the university of cincinnati
[15:11.260 --> 15:14.060] And when he found out that he had joined the bar
[15:14.940 --> 15:20.140] He chose another course in life. He said well, I won't do this. I'm not gonna
[15:21.820 --> 15:23.820] You know swear to
[15:23.820 --> 15:28.620] You know, they they're sworn to a pole system is what they are
[15:29.980 --> 15:31.980] and it's uh
[15:32.540 --> 15:40.780] Well, we're whatever their system you're the fourth in line to who they pledge allegiance to right if you're if you're a client of theirs
[15:41.420 --> 15:43.260] Exactly, right
[15:43.260 --> 15:45.260] Okay
[15:45.820 --> 15:47.820] I don't know if you've gotten a good answer
[15:47.820 --> 15:53.440] Not just excellent very excellent honest and fantastic
[15:54.720 --> 16:02.240] Thank you for being on the show and sharing your knowledge with us. Well, thank you
[16:02.880 --> 16:04.880] All right. Thank you. Doug
[16:05.440 --> 16:10.640] Yeah, and we've discussed this on the show before the the bar and originally
[16:11.680 --> 16:16.080] From what I understand at least it stood for british accreditation registry
[16:16.080 --> 16:22.020] No, wait, teddy just sent to me what it is. But over there it is a-holes and retards
[16:24.880 --> 16:28.560] I've actually stood outside their building. I'm sorry in the city of london
[16:29.520 --> 16:32.400] But randy, you know you've said before too that
[16:33.280 --> 16:37.280] Just because that's what it used to mean. That's not necessarily what it means now
[16:37.280 --> 16:45.060] No, you missed it deborah. I sent a message to him that said bar stands for british a-holes and retards
[16:47.120 --> 16:48.880] Right
[16:48.880 --> 16:50.880] Yeah, yeah
[16:52.080 --> 16:56.800] But I mean but the point that I was trying to make is that
[16:58.240 --> 17:00.660] What it used to stand for is not necessarily
[17:01.600 --> 17:03.440] What it is now
[17:03.440 --> 17:10.640] And now it's just become a slang term, you know, or the the bar is, you know, the barrier between
[17:11.360 --> 17:17.380] The people who are sitting there watching the the court proceedings and versus entering into the court proceedings
[17:17.840 --> 17:24.420] And that just because someone carries a bar card does not necessarily mean they're part of that british accreditation registry
[17:26.240 --> 17:29.600] Just because that's just because that's what it used to stand for
[17:29.600 --> 17:31.600] For
[17:31.760 --> 17:33.760] Right randy, isn't that what you've been saying
[17:34.320 --> 17:35.760] precisely
[17:35.760 --> 17:37.200] I didn't
[17:37.200 --> 17:41.280] Chirp in god, just it just wasn't time for that particular discussion
[17:42.160 --> 17:43.600] but uh
[17:43.600 --> 17:46.720] Attorneys don't uh pledge allegiance to the crown
[17:49.200 --> 17:53.760] The the bar association is just an association of jerks
[17:53.760 --> 17:59.920] And yeah, they're leading what we're saying. They don't really pledge allegiance to anybody. Yeah, exactly
[18:01.040 --> 18:07.920] But the bar as it exists now has nothing to do with england. It may have it one time it doesn't now
[18:10.000 --> 18:14.000] It doesn't make any difference and the original 13th amendment
[18:14.960 --> 18:16.960] uh, you know
[18:16.960 --> 18:21.840] By implying that that would somehow eliminate attorneys that implies that
[18:21.840 --> 18:26.320] They somehow have a position of royalty and they don't
[18:28.000 --> 18:30.000] They're just conniving scum
[18:32.880 --> 18:37.120] All right, there was there's one good lawyer I just haven't run across him yet
[18:38.960 --> 18:40.960] I did I had my car
[18:43.360 --> 18:48.880] Okay, all right, we've got a couple more callers ame and hans we're going to go to ame now who's been holding
[18:48.880 --> 18:54.000] For most of the show ame. Thank you for holding so long. What what's on your mind tonight?
[18:54.560 --> 18:59.920] Oh, thank you for taking my call. This is actually it's been a really interesting and informative show
[19:00.320 --> 19:03.680] My question though is one for you and randy now randy last night
[19:03.680 --> 19:08.960] You gave me instructions about how to get my federal complaint against a corrupt judge and others before the grand jury
[19:09.600 --> 19:12.960] Today one of my associates had an occasion to speak with the u.s
[19:12.960 --> 19:17.520] Attorney in phoenix and this attorney told her that her office had been
[19:17.520 --> 19:21.920] Told her that her office is prohibited from giving anything to the grand jury
[19:22.000 --> 19:26.560] Unless it comes from a recognized law enforcement agency with investigative powers
[19:26.800 --> 19:32.880] And that there is no way for a citizen to get information to the federal grand jury. Is that what it says in law?
[19:34.000 --> 19:39.040] Well, that's i'm hoping you can tell me where is the law that I can go back to her and say
[19:39.600 --> 19:42.000] You have to see the fbi already
[19:43.520 --> 19:45.520] Okay, here's the law says
[19:45.520 --> 19:51.280] That only the prosecuting attorney can present to the grand jury
[19:53.360 --> 19:59.360] As to who can notify a grand jury that a crime's been committed there's no law
[20:00.960 --> 20:03.520] This is what you've seen in arizona law randy
[20:04.960 --> 20:11.040] So this has been federal law there is no law and so you're a sovereign citizen
[20:11.040 --> 20:15.040] You can do anything you are not specifically forbidden to do
[20:15.840 --> 20:18.880] Amy, is this a federal case or a state case?
[20:19.600 --> 20:23.040] It's federal. It's a superior court judge and it's rico
[20:23.920 --> 20:25.920] among other things
[20:25.920 --> 20:32.080] You send it to the grand jury when the you know one thing about u.s. Attorney
[20:33.120 --> 20:35.120] If the lips are moving the lying
[20:36.320 --> 20:38.320] You count on that
[20:38.320 --> 20:42.400] So send it to the grand jury, uh, williams v. Us
[20:43.520 --> 20:48.560] Scalia rosy opinion 1990 case wait say that again
[20:49.360 --> 20:53.700] Williams v. Us. I don't remember off the top of my head the designation
[20:54.800 --> 20:58.560] williams v us okay, uh 1990 case
[20:59.280 --> 21:01.280] It was 1992
[21:01.600 --> 21:03.600] 1992 okay
[21:04.160 --> 21:05.600] He said that
[21:05.600 --> 21:08.400] he said that while the
[21:09.600 --> 21:13.600] Federal court constitutes the grand jury that means installs it
[21:14.720 --> 21:20.880] Once it's constituted, it's essentially a fourth branch of government. The court has no authority over it
[21:22.640 --> 21:27.760] Neither does the u.s. Attorney this nonsense of only a
[21:27.760 --> 21:35.120] A a police officer can file a complaint or a fbi can file a complaint is enforcement door
[21:35.840 --> 21:38.320] Nowhere in law if anything say that
[21:40.400 --> 21:46.000] All these u.s. Attorneys say that and when one tells me that i'll file against him
[21:47.120 --> 21:51.520] Okay, obstructing justice and then tap with with with the
[21:52.320 --> 21:54.320] tapering juror tackling
[21:54.320 --> 22:01.140] That's what you'll charge him with when you send notice, you know, this is not a presentment
[22:02.560 --> 22:04.560] He's going to tell you
[22:04.560 --> 22:09.620] Claim that only he can present this is not a presenter. This is just notification
[22:10.720 --> 22:11.520] Okay
[22:11.520 --> 22:16.560] And there's nothing in law that prevents you from notifying and if he interferes with it
[22:17.200 --> 22:21.920] You charge him with tackling with the grand jury and the way you get to him is you send the
[22:21.920 --> 22:23.920] Send it certified mail
[22:24.800 --> 22:31.200] And then when they don't get it you send one certified mail against the u.s. Attorney and call the postal inspectors
[22:32.640 --> 22:34.640] He did that in uh
[22:36.160 --> 22:38.980] Or in the fort lauderdale
[22:40.640 --> 22:42.240] And there was none of this crap
[22:43.760 --> 22:49.680] That you can't send things to the grand jury that u.s. Attorney interfered with it and the postal inspectors went in there
[22:49.680 --> 22:51.680] And the postal inspectors went in there
[22:52.720 --> 22:54.720] stomped all over them
[22:55.200 --> 22:57.600] So we send this anyway
[22:57.760 --> 22:59.760] Even though the u.s. Attorney said that
[23:00.160 --> 23:03.920] They are forbidden to give anything to the the grand jury you send it anyway
[23:04.080 --> 23:09.280] And then when we don't get anything back then we send then we notify the post office
[23:10.080 --> 23:13.440] Yeah, let him prove if that's the case prove it up
[23:15.040 --> 23:18.160] You tell me that's how it is bubba prove it up
[23:18.160 --> 23:21.360] Make criminal criminal charges. I'll be filing against you
[23:22.080 --> 23:24.240] Could I make one other suggestion there randy?
[23:24.880 --> 23:29.040] Absolutely in addition to sending it to the attorney like he's telling you
[23:29.600 --> 23:35.840] There is a judge that's in charge of empaneling that grand jury at some point every time they put a new
[23:36.480 --> 23:41.760] Impaneled jury together. There's a judge that has to swear them all in and tell them what their obligations are
[23:42.320 --> 23:44.320] What they're going to get paid and all that
[23:44.320 --> 23:47.840] I duplicate everything i'm going to send the u.s
[23:48.320 --> 23:53.760] Attorney and I would send it to the judge that's in charge of that grand jury at the same time. Well, okay
[23:55.360 --> 23:56.800] It's a big secret
[23:56.800 --> 24:05.040] No one will they're withholding information about when the grand jury sits who anybody I mean, it's just completely in the dark
[24:05.360 --> 24:07.520] You don't care when they sit doesn't make any difference
[24:09.520 --> 24:11.520] Yeah, they won't withhold
[24:11.520 --> 24:14.480] the judge who empaneled the grand jury
[24:15.920 --> 24:19.520] And the reason I didn't mention him is we didn't get to him yet
[24:21.200 --> 24:22.400] Uh
[24:22.400 --> 24:27.760] We only go to him if we need to and if the postal inspectors don't get it done the first time
[24:28.800 --> 24:30.800] Then you send the next set of complaints
[24:31.200 --> 24:33.440] To the judge that empaneled the grand jury
[24:34.400 --> 24:36.400] Except you don't send them
[24:36.880 --> 24:38.880] address to the judge
[24:38.880 --> 24:42.320] Yeah address to the grand jury to his address
[24:44.800 --> 24:48.720] And when the grand jury doesn't respond to you file criminal charges against him
[24:50.480 --> 24:52.480] Criminal charges with the post office
[24:54.080 --> 24:57.440] You send a set of criminal charges against the judge to the grand jury
[24:58.800 --> 25:05.040] Oh against the judge to the grand jury at his address just like we do we're supposed to do with the u.s. Attorney
[25:05.600 --> 25:07.360] Okay now
[25:07.360 --> 25:09.360] If no one will tell us
[25:09.760 --> 25:12.320] Who is empaneling the grand jury?
[25:13.040 --> 25:14.800] How do we find that out?
[25:14.800 --> 25:16.800] send one to every judge
[25:18.160 --> 25:20.160] Well, no that's
[25:20.320 --> 25:25.600] Generally, they won't tell you the only the thing they normally won't tell you about a grand jury is what their names are
[25:26.480 --> 25:28.480] I'm, sorry, not their names their addresses
[25:28.800 --> 25:29.840] but
[25:29.840 --> 25:37.440] Uh, I almost never had a problem getting them to tell me what judge empaneled the grand jury
[25:38.560 --> 25:41.440] There's no way they can consider that secret you can do it enough for you
[25:45.360 --> 25:51.040] And it's going to be pretty obvious that whichever court the grand jury is working with
[25:51.840 --> 25:55.280] The presiding judge is is most likely going to be the one who?
[25:56.000 --> 25:58.000] Will have empaneled them
[25:58.000 --> 26:04.640] Yeah, it depends on how big the you know, if you're in phoenix or something, you know, they can have a number of federal judges
[26:06.240 --> 26:08.240] In cherokee county, they only had one
[26:08.560 --> 26:13.840] But then you know which one but in phoenix they've got numbers a number of them so you don't know which one would
[26:14.720 --> 26:17.760] Impal it and generally the way you find this out is you call
[26:18.560 --> 26:20.800] uh the district any district judge
[26:21.920 --> 26:23.920] And ask for the judge's coordinator
[26:23.920 --> 26:30.720] And ask the judges that's the clerk that keeps the judge's calendar ask her is
[26:31.760 --> 26:33.760] if this judge uh
[26:35.040 --> 26:38.160] Is the one in panel the current grand jury
[26:39.200 --> 26:40.160] and
[26:40.160 --> 26:42.720] If she says no to what you know, which one it is
[26:43.760 --> 26:45.760] And they'll tell me to tell you
[26:45.760 --> 26:46.720] Okay
[26:46.720 --> 26:48.720] Okay, and so you're saying that time
[26:48.720 --> 26:56.000] Like time doesn't matter in terms of getting this before the grand jury because I mean what if they don't meet again for six months?
[26:56.560 --> 26:58.560] They they have to hold it and then get
[26:59.040 --> 27:03.280] No, no, no, they they they meet at least once a month. They meet at least once a month
[27:03.920 --> 27:04.720] Yeah
[27:04.720 --> 27:11.120] Because the small jurisdiction they may meet once a month the largest jurisdiction they meet all the time
[27:12.480 --> 27:13.600] Oh
[27:13.600 --> 27:14.960] Okay
[27:14.960 --> 27:19.600] Okay, and even though there's more there may be more than one in panel at a time
[27:20.240 --> 27:21.280] um
[27:21.280 --> 27:25.600] for what we were told is that or some of you know, one of my associates was told is that
[27:26.240 --> 27:32.640] There may be more than one grand jury and panel at any one time, but they gather them together to hear specific cases
[27:34.800 --> 27:39.120] Yeah work like where they have the case and then they bring the grand jury in to hear it
[27:39.680 --> 27:41.680] Yeah, that's the way they generally do it
[27:41.680 --> 27:44.960] But okay, that's just the way the prosecutor
[27:45.840 --> 27:48.000] presents complaints to the grand jury
[27:48.800 --> 27:50.800] That's not the only way
[27:51.760 --> 27:54.800] you can notify the grand jury and the grand jury can
[27:56.560 --> 28:03.120] Sit themselves to hear your complaints they don't need the prosecutor. He doesn't control them. He doesn't have anything to say about it
[28:03.760 --> 28:06.240] Yeah, I read about that on your website. Um
[28:07.120 --> 28:10.000] Okay, that's very that's very good to hear too
[28:10.000 --> 28:12.000] Um, okay
[28:12.640 --> 28:14.640] and
[28:14.720 --> 28:16.720] Well, hold on
[28:17.280 --> 28:24.000] You know, is there any way to find out when within the month they're going to be impaneled or is that just continue to be secret?
[28:25.600 --> 28:27.680] Because we have a time sensitive case
[28:28.480 --> 28:30.560] Ask for it with a FOIA
[28:31.520 --> 28:35.060] Ask what? Ask for it under freedom of information
[28:35.060 --> 28:41.000] Freedom of information freedom of information act. Yeah make a written request
[28:45.140 --> 28:47.140] Okay
[28:47.380 --> 28:49.380] Then they have to formally
[28:50.100 --> 28:52.100] Either
[28:52.100 --> 28:56.840] Provide it or deny it in which case then you get to appeal it out of their jurisdiction
[28:58.900 --> 29:00.900] All right
[29:00.900 --> 29:04.920] Yeah, the more time that goes by the more evidence is being destroyed
[29:05.540 --> 29:09.460] And there's plenty of it and it's compelling but you know, and there's also
[29:11.040 --> 29:13.780] Damages, okay, send it send the evidence
[29:14.500 --> 29:17.160] Send the evidence to every one of your legislators
[29:18.340 --> 29:20.820] Send it to the attorney general in dc
[29:22.500 --> 29:24.500] Yes
[29:25.700 --> 29:28.580] And to the legislature general real quick
[29:28.580 --> 29:29.860] quick
[29:29.860 --> 29:31.780] Yeah
[29:31.780 --> 29:36.420] Another real quick suggestion. You're having trouble finding out who the judge is. It's in charge of that grand jury
[29:36.980 --> 29:40.500] Find out who the supreme court justice is that's in charge of that court
[29:41.940 --> 29:48.660] Oh, that's interesting find out who that judge's clerk is and get a fax number for and fax that clerk
[29:48.660 --> 29:56.900] Uh an emergency request to determine who's in charge of the grand jury and you need it faxed back to you within 24 hours
[29:59.300 --> 30:04.980] And when the supreme court justice's office calls down to that court and says who is in charge of your grand jury
[30:05.060 --> 30:07.060] They will understand what?
[30:07.620 --> 30:10.660] And they will you'll get the information relatively quickly
[30:11.220 --> 30:12.500] Well, see
[30:12.500 --> 30:15.940] The way I understand it the foreman is the one in charge of the grand jury
[30:15.940 --> 30:20.180] The grand jury is not part of the foreman, but there's also a
[30:21.220 --> 30:25.060] There's a judge that empanels all of them and every time any of them have any questions
[30:25.620 --> 30:29.300] It's that judge they go back to to get their questions resolved
[30:30.340 --> 30:33.380] And he's the one that's going to unempanel them whenever this
[30:34.340 --> 30:36.920] uh term of service expires
[30:38.340 --> 30:43.940] And that's a rotating system that you know, it's not not the same judge every time it rotates from one judge
[30:43.940 --> 30:48.820] You know, they got a chief judge and then two or three other judges in the same courtroom or courthouse
[30:50.740 --> 30:58.260] But they all all of them answer to the supreme court justice it's over that particular united states district court
[31:00.420 --> 31:05.540] And when you start getting running into problems with these judges and these attorneys and all these people telling you
[31:05.620 --> 31:07.620] We can't do that. This isn't the way we do it
[31:08.260 --> 31:11.140] Get a hold of the clerk that's in charge of that justice's
[31:11.140 --> 31:13.700] And send her a fax
[31:14.980 --> 31:17.380] And so, you know, i'm having a real difficult time
[31:18.340 --> 31:20.340] Uh, could I you know?
[31:21.540 --> 31:28.740] Get your get your uh, high office's influence and getting the getting the answer to my question resolved
[31:30.260 --> 31:37.860] Yeah, make your case to the clerk is why it's important and when what what i'm telling you is all these people are just
[31:37.860 --> 31:43.860] They're they absolutely do not like having the higher court come to because it's a strike against them
[31:43.860 --> 31:45.940] All these judges want to get it promoted
[31:46.820 --> 31:53.780] No, go ahead and if there's anything on their record, it's a blemish, you know on this date the united states supreme court
[31:54.340 --> 31:56.340] You know justice alito
[31:56.660 --> 31:58.660] Had to contact you
[31:58.660 --> 32:05.620] Because you wouldn't give one of our citizens information that is obviously something that she can request and you're obligated to provide
[32:05.620 --> 32:07.620] What's your problem?
[32:08.900 --> 32:15.620] That's what they're concerned about is their their upward mobility and all of a sudden you're creating a problem for them
[32:16.580 --> 32:18.580] Becomes a political thing
[32:18.580 --> 32:23.700] Yeah, I was in when I was in the military. I used to call the inspector general every time I didn't like someone
[32:24.340 --> 32:26.340] And my commander called me into a meeting
[32:27.220 --> 32:29.140] Just him and I
[32:29.140 --> 32:31.140] And he laid out on the table
[32:31.140 --> 32:36.900] Five uh, what is called line numbers? He said I have five line numbers for
[32:37.540 --> 32:39.540] for chief master sergeant
[32:40.020 --> 32:45.620] I've got 63 senior master sergeants all of them with time and grade all of them was
[32:46.180 --> 32:49.220] Essentially a perfect record which one do I?
[32:50.820 --> 32:52.820] Get a line number two
[32:52.980 --> 32:56.180] Oh, this one had the inspector general called on him. He's up
[32:56.180 --> 32:59.380] He's making a point that i'm destroying these guys careers
[33:00.980 --> 33:03.460] And I think he said uh, mr. Kelton
[33:04.500 --> 33:10.660] You understand what i'm telling you? Oh, yes, sir. I understand sir. Never do it again, sir
[33:11.140 --> 33:13.140] If you could tell by the grin on my face
[33:13.860 --> 33:15.860] He's made a mistake
[33:17.860 --> 33:22.660] That's that's a little bit simple. Yes, sir. You're telling me i'm being quite effective. Thank you very much
[33:22.660 --> 33:28.820] Exactly, but also to use but also to use this tool or weapon wisely
[33:30.260 --> 33:32.260] exactly
[33:32.500 --> 33:35.160] You can call the supreme court switchboard
[33:36.260 --> 33:41.940] It's not any difficulty to find out who the who the chief justice or the who the justice is. It's over that court
[33:42.660 --> 33:44.100] Okay
[33:44.100 --> 33:48.100] Just call him and say i'm having a difficult problem getting the information I need
[33:48.100 --> 33:55.540] I'm having a difficult problem getting the information I need to a grand jury in whatever county you're in
[33:55.860 --> 33:57.860] at this courthouse
[33:58.180 --> 34:00.180] What can you do to facilitate?
[34:01.060 --> 34:02.100] uh
[34:02.100 --> 34:03.860] my effort
[34:03.860 --> 34:05.860] That's a great idea
[34:08.180 --> 34:10.420] And if you make your case to that clerk
[34:11.860 --> 34:13.860] And be very nice to her but or him
[34:13.860 --> 34:15.860] Um
[34:16.020 --> 34:20.580] That clerk will have more influence than you can imagine i'm mad
[34:21.380 --> 34:23.380] I never wish all of that. Thank you
[34:24.020 --> 34:26.500] The clerk can do things that the judge wouldn't
[34:27.780 --> 34:33.060] You know, he can call he can call down there and climb down their throats where the judge would never do that
[34:33.940 --> 34:39.620] Now you're talking about the federal supreme court, right? Yes up in dc. Yeah, okay, okay
[34:39.620 --> 34:45.700] All right, and you can find out go to the go to the u.s. Supreme court's website
[34:46.340 --> 34:51.140] And it gives you the names of the nine justices and it tells you what courts are responsible for like
[34:51.940 --> 34:58.100] Um alito is is i'm not alito. Uh, uh, the italian. What's his name?
[34:59.300 --> 35:03.060] The other italian guy that guy I know what you're talking about scalia
[35:03.940 --> 35:06.260] Scalia is responsible for the fifth circuit
[35:06.260 --> 35:11.460] Is that right? Oh good. Yeah, and then he's very and they're very attentive
[35:12.340 --> 35:17.780] They really are you have a problem with something down there and you call up to dc and
[35:18.900 --> 35:24.740] Express your concern and what's going and man it's it's almost a heartbeat away from being resolved
[35:25.780 --> 35:26.980] wow
[35:26.980 --> 35:31.380] So do you think my first step what my first step should be maybe?
[35:31.380 --> 35:37.860] To send a letter to the to the u.s. Attorney who's already said that they're not going to do anything
[35:38.340 --> 35:41.300] And and quote, um, what was it? Um
[35:42.180 --> 35:44.180] Oh, I just turned the page
[35:44.420 --> 35:49.460] Let me let me add real quick. I think I heard deborah say you've been on this call pretty much the whole time
[35:50.660 --> 35:53.380] Earlier in the conversation I referred. Yeah
[35:55.300 --> 35:58.980] Yeah, well earlier in the conversation i've referred to all this stuff
[35:58.980 --> 36:05.300] Earlier in the conversation I've referred to all this is like a chess match and you need to you need to have a multi-pronged attack
[36:05.860 --> 36:08.660] Where you're putting them in a box that they can't escape from?
[36:09.780 --> 36:12.360] Randy suggested you write a letter to this attorney
[36:13.540 --> 36:14.660] and
[36:14.660 --> 36:19.140] Express his his issues about there is no law that says, you know, I can't do this
[36:19.700 --> 36:23.460] All i'm saying is in addition to doing everything that randy said
[36:24.100 --> 36:26.100] get a hold of the clerk at the
[36:26.100 --> 36:29.140] Justice up in dc and find out, you know
[36:30.020 --> 36:35.060] Who's responsible for that court? There's a supreme court justice that oversees that court
[36:36.420 --> 36:37.460] All right
[36:37.460 --> 36:42.420] And at the same time you're doing what randy says now you've got you know who it is. It's responsible
[36:42.820 --> 36:48.500] And depending on what this attorney down there provides you on his response to your letter to him
[36:48.500 --> 36:54.900] That's going to dictate, you know, how soon you fire off the facts and you be sure and get a fax number for this
[36:55.220 --> 36:58.020] Because you don't you don't want to waste time with the mail and that stuff
[36:58.660 --> 37:02.100] Right either a fax number or an email address for this clerk
[37:04.660 --> 37:10.100] So that you can shoot shoot that off right away and send a copy of whatever you send to that clerk to this
[37:10.340 --> 37:14.180] Lawyer that you're dealing with this u.s. Attorney or assistant attorney
[37:14.180 --> 37:18.180] Or assistant attorney so that he knows what's coming
[37:19.140 --> 37:20.420] Okay
[37:20.420 --> 37:22.580] So after the first conversation, so I have
[37:23.380 --> 37:27.380] And thank you for taking this time with me. I'm just trying to clarify to make sure I do this, right?
[37:27.700 --> 37:32.040] Okay, I got the lead the part about the letter got the part about the clerk in dc find out who's responsible
[37:32.420 --> 37:35.860] And then I faxed what was the part about faxing? Who do I fax?
[37:36.660 --> 37:42.040] And well if this attorney and if this local attorney you're dealing with is still going to be uncooperative
[37:42.040 --> 37:43.800] Two
[37:43.800 --> 37:46.920] Then you take a copy of everything that you've started with, you know
[37:47.160 --> 37:50.600] I've sent this to him on this date. I sent this to him on this date
[37:50.680 --> 37:56.440] And this is this is what his rebuttal has been he had he's not cooperative you fax all of that
[37:57.160 --> 37:59.160] to the clerk in dc
[37:59.320 --> 38:06.040] With the cover letter saying and I need some assistance because of the following things and you outline very briefly just
[38:06.040 --> 38:11.560] Just three or four bullet points as to what you're trying to accomplish and what this guy is doing
[38:13.400 --> 38:21.240] You know surely you understand, uh, clerk of the united states supreme court. This guy is not complying with the law
[38:22.600 --> 38:24.600] What can you do to assist me?
[38:26.120 --> 38:33.480] I'm writing they will get a hold of this lawyer or that judge or whoever is down there and tell them in no uncertain terms
[38:33.480 --> 38:36.040] Give her what she wants
[38:37.560 --> 38:39.560] And do it today
[38:39.720 --> 38:41.720] They tell them handle it
[38:43.080 --> 38:48.040] I don't care what the problem is. I don't care how it happened. I don't want to hear about it anymore
[38:49.960 --> 38:51.960] That sounds great
[38:54.360 --> 38:57.320] That sounds it goes to it goes to fecal gravity
[38:57.320 --> 39:03.880] It it has a little pucker power to it also, it's it's the bigger the ball
[39:04.920 --> 39:06.920] The faster it rolls down
[39:08.120 --> 39:15.400] Okay. Now do I do anything about the um, the obstruction of justice the jury tampering?
[39:16.120 --> 39:20.440] Or any do I bring any of that up or do I just not no not with the clerk?
[39:20.520 --> 39:23.800] You're just trying to get them to let you introduce this to the grand jury
[39:23.800 --> 39:25.800] Okay, so so
[39:26.520 --> 39:32.040] Don't trouble her with all that you're trying to get something before that before a grand jury as a citizen of the state
[39:32.280 --> 39:38.280] And the citizen of the country and this lawyer is impeding your progress. He's obstructing your justice
[39:39.000 --> 39:44.680] He's denying you due process. He's doing all these things. What can you do to help me get him?
[39:45.560 --> 39:47.560] to comply with with my
[39:48.600 --> 39:51.080] God-given right as a citizen
[39:51.080 --> 39:55.160] With your constitutional right to petition the court redress agree
[39:57.400 --> 40:00.360] I don't think that's the what is that the fourth amendment or the
[40:01.240 --> 40:08.600] Fourth yeah constitutional right. I missed some of that constitutional right to petition the court and what for redress of grievance
[40:09.240 --> 40:11.240] for redress of grievance
[40:11.480 --> 40:15.800] Fourth amendment actually in saying that you're not really petitioning the court
[40:15.800 --> 40:20.600] Because the grand jury is separate from the court, but that'll make the point
[40:21.240 --> 40:23.240] Okay
[40:24.280 --> 40:31.400] Well, I wanted to ask you guys okay in in this case with amy does she need to have something in her back pocket?
[40:31.960 --> 40:33.960] to show that
[40:33.960 --> 40:35.960] What she's trying to do
[40:36.040 --> 40:37.880] is not
[40:37.880 --> 40:39.880] presenting
[40:39.880 --> 40:45.960] To the grand jury since these federal court rules say that only the u.s
[40:45.960 --> 40:52.520] Attorney is allowed to present to the grand jury. Does she need to have something to show that that's not what she's trying to do
[40:53.240 --> 40:59.960] Good good point because that's exactly the argument the prosecutor is going to make so when you when you address the clerk
[41:01.000 --> 41:03.000] You might stipulate that
[41:03.640 --> 41:05.640] It's it's your duty to
[41:05.640 --> 41:11.640] Under I think it's u.s. Title 18 18 usd four four. Yeah
[41:12.360 --> 41:14.360] You have a duty to report crime
[41:15.880 --> 41:18.280] Failure to do so is a crime in your part
[41:19.480 --> 41:20.520] and
[41:20.520 --> 41:22.360] prosecuting attorney
[41:22.360 --> 41:28.600] Is preventing you from reporting crime to the grand jury and he has no authority
[41:29.720 --> 41:32.120] prosecutor may a public official may only
[41:32.120 --> 41:35.400] Exercise a stipulated authority. He has not here
[41:36.760 --> 41:39.400] That he is tampering with the grand jury by
[41:40.760 --> 41:44.760] Secreting evidence of crimes by public officials from the grand jury
[41:46.360 --> 41:48.360] That sounds so impressive
[41:49.000 --> 41:54.600] Now I want to just throw this in real quick. We did go to the fbi some time ago and the fbi
[41:54.600 --> 42:01.160] Was interested but they said that it was too small a dollar amount
[42:01.480 --> 42:05.560] For them to fool with given their limited resources and we're talking in the million
[42:06.200 --> 42:08.200] And they just said well we just
[42:09.320 --> 42:11.320] Yeah, well what you got to do is
[42:12.360 --> 42:14.360] Say terrorist
[42:14.360 --> 42:15.880] Is what?
[42:15.880 --> 42:18.200] Say terrorist or say
[42:18.200 --> 42:25.960] A terrorist or say a financial fraud. That's what they're funded for domestic terrorist
[42:27.320 --> 42:29.320] Domestic terrorism would work
[42:29.720 --> 42:33.400] That's all we got funding for rich roper head u.s. Attorney in
[42:34.040 --> 42:38.680] Dallas i'm trying to get him to go after some public officials and he said well frankly mr. Campbell
[42:40.680 --> 42:43.640] Right now we only have budget for going after terrorists
[42:43.640 --> 42:49.160] Well richard, how many terrorists you caught in fort worth lately all we haven't caught in yet, but we're sure looking
[42:50.840 --> 42:52.840] Oh my gosh
[42:53.480 --> 42:55.480] Okay, the fbi is worthless
[42:56.280 --> 42:58.280] Yeah, yeah, we're down that out
[42:58.600 --> 43:01.000] I would suggest the united states marshal
[43:02.280 --> 43:03.400] Really?
[43:03.400 --> 43:04.520] Yeah
[43:04.520 --> 43:08.520] I don't think he has a marshal service now the united states marshal
[43:08.520 --> 43:13.000] Washington d.c. No in your state there's one in your state
[43:14.200 --> 43:20.360] But not the marshal service they're deputies. They're not the the only one with any real authority is the united states marshal
[43:20.600 --> 43:23.400] There's 13 of them in the country. Just don't go to deputy dan
[43:27.000 --> 43:29.000] Deputy dan
[43:30.040 --> 43:32.920] Oh deputy dan, I think he was a chump marshal
[43:32.920 --> 43:39.480] That's the guy in pennsylvania that wouldn't tell me who he was. We'll see. Okay. Look. I have a question here about
[43:40.200 --> 43:42.200] You know what?
[43:42.760 --> 43:45.800] What amy should define or should she define
[43:46.440 --> 43:50.040] Actually what she is doing because like we've discussed
[43:50.760 --> 43:54.200] okay, uh petitioning the government for redress of grievance or
[43:54.920 --> 43:56.920] Having a stat some sort of statutory
[43:56.920 --> 44:03.720] Obligation to report crime and and these sorts of things
[44:04.760 --> 44:09.240] but i'm i'm wondering if if those are directions to take versus
[44:09.960 --> 44:11.560] look
[44:11.560 --> 44:17.160] there's nothing that tells me that I am not allowed to report a crime to a grand jury and
[44:18.440 --> 44:21.480] I feel that that is the appropriate thing to do here
[44:22.520 --> 44:23.560] considering
[44:23.560 --> 44:30.520] Uh, the facts at hand that all these obstacles are in my way of reporting a crime to a grand jury
[44:31.800 --> 44:37.400] Because if she says well there's a statutory duty I had there the law says I have to report crime
[44:37.400 --> 44:43.960] Then they're going to go down this path of well. Yes, you have the uh, you know an obligation under law to report crimes
[44:43.960 --> 44:49.560] So you have to go through these certain channels and then they're going to redirect her this way and then if she says well
[44:49.560 --> 44:56.360] Uh, you know, I have the right to petition the government for redress of grievance. Well, it doesn't necessarily say that. Uh, well
[44:57.160 --> 45:03.960] You can do that to the grand jury. They can say well you can petition for redress to your legislators or through voting or something
[45:04.440 --> 45:11.560] Whereas you know like what randy has always stood on is look if there's not a law that says I can't do it then I can
[45:12.040 --> 45:14.040] And so that's why I brought up
[45:14.760 --> 45:16.760] You know the the issue
[45:16.760 --> 45:20.220] uh, you know the the issue concerning
[45:21.400 --> 45:23.400] making a definitive
[45:23.800 --> 45:25.800] uh difference between
[45:25.940 --> 45:28.120] presenting to a grand jury versus
[45:29.480 --> 45:35.880] Reporting a crime or notifying of a crime or you know, what what is what exactly is it that she should?
[45:36.360 --> 45:39.000] Uh call this that that she's trying to do
[45:39.880 --> 45:42.600] Do you see what i'm saying here extremely good point?
[45:42.600 --> 45:46.200] But all you really need to do is make your case to the clerk
[45:47.320 --> 45:50.600] Just like you'd make it to the grand jury. This is the problem I have
[45:51.880 --> 45:54.600] I'm trying to report this crime and prevent
[45:55.720 --> 45:57.720] an evil occurrence
[45:58.680 --> 46:01.880] Or more harm or repetitive occurrence
[46:03.640 --> 46:10.840] Yeah, you know, this is a situation that's time sensitive and it's going to be irreparable or irreparable harm
[46:10.840 --> 46:12.840] irreparable harm
[46:14.920 --> 46:17.740] And the u.s attorney is obstructing
[46:18.680 --> 46:24.120] Well, does the clerk have some statutory requirement to pass along?
[46:24.680 --> 46:27.960] Amy's concerns documents complaints, whatever
[46:28.760 --> 46:32.120] Uh, they're called the clerk at the supreme court deborah
[46:34.280 --> 46:39.320] I'm talking about the clerk that randy is saying to yeah, the supreme court clerk
[46:39.320 --> 46:45.800] Yeah, if you go to the supreme court clerk, so i'm trying to explain to you if you go to that clerk
[46:46.520 --> 46:50.040] Believe me. She trumps all these other people below below her
[46:52.120 --> 46:56.280] She has the authority that supreme court justice has
[46:57.000 --> 47:04.780] To order that guy to do exactly what i'm telling you do it. Do you understand what part of this? Do you not understand?
[47:04.780 --> 47:08.220] And that united states assistant attorney
[47:08.380 --> 47:14.540] Is going to leap through his rear end to get it taken care of because his future depends on
[47:14.860 --> 47:17.520] No, black marks on his name in dc
[47:20.540 --> 47:24.540] And he's just got a call from the united states supreme court clerk
[47:26.380 --> 47:31.980] The judges may hear a hundred cases a year up there the clerk is dealing with thousands of things a year
[47:31.980 --> 47:38.780] And they are strong. Believe me. Okay. So what you guys are suggesting is not necessarily going through
[47:40.120 --> 47:47.740] Statutorily defined duties, but rather this is a political move exactly
[47:51.420 --> 47:55.820] Got it goes to ken's law everything's political
[47:55.820 --> 48:03.520] Everything's political once you make it political it goes to the next law everything's negotiable
[48:06.220 --> 48:09.020] So it goes to the next one perception is everything
[48:12.700 --> 48:15.820] So you create a perception in the mind of the clerk
[48:16.860 --> 48:21.020] That the u.s. Attorney's trying to protect his buddy in office
[48:21.020 --> 48:25.180] And create the perception that it's going to give the courts a black eye
[48:26.060 --> 48:28.540] Or that it could turn into a political football
[48:29.580 --> 48:34.460] And the clerk is going to want to make it not become a political football to make the problem go away
[48:35.020 --> 48:38.060] And she then the clerk has the authority to get that done
[48:40.300 --> 48:42.300] Okay, i'll do it and so
[48:42.860 --> 48:49.420] The first move is a letter to the attorney giving them a chance to say there is no law preventing me and I can quote
[48:49.420 --> 48:53.500] You've already given them a chance
[48:58.380 --> 49:02.540] So go straight to the clerk, but I never like to warn my prey
[49:03.980 --> 49:08.620] Okay, if i'm sneaking up on you and fixing to kick you right square in the rear
[49:09.820 --> 49:11.980] The last thing I want to do is let you know i'm coming
[49:13.260 --> 49:17.660] But actually what I want to do is get somebody else to sneak up behind you and kick you in the rear
[49:17.660 --> 49:19.660] Right
[49:20.300 --> 49:22.300] You gave him opportunity
[49:23.580 --> 49:27.020] He acted inappropriately you have no need to go back to him
[49:27.900 --> 49:29.820] Now you've always had
[49:29.820 --> 49:34.220] I really like paul's idea of going to the court. That is great. Yeah
[49:35.020 --> 49:37.020] That's a great idea
[49:37.420 --> 49:42.540] Oh, you guys are just wonderful. You know, we finally have hope it's been years and
[49:42.540 --> 49:48.860] We've been fighting this for so long and we finally just had a horrible blow recently and it was just over
[49:49.500 --> 49:52.380] And we and so now maybe it's not over
[49:53.820 --> 49:55.820] Good
[49:56.060 --> 50:02.780] Okay, good luck. I will let you know. Yes. I will let you know i'll email you and let you know what happens and and um
[50:03.420 --> 50:09.580] What do oh also um randy I did email you um with the request for some documents
[50:09.580 --> 50:13.900] I don't know how long I mean, I know you're extremely busy and you have all these late nights and stuff
[50:14.220 --> 50:19.100] But whenever you can get to it, could you send me those samples of the complaint so we can get that prepared?
[50:19.420 --> 50:21.100] Yes. Yes. Yeah
[50:21.100 --> 50:23.260] There's a complaint and a couple of letters, I think
[50:23.980 --> 50:25.980] Okay, good. I will
[50:26.460 --> 50:32.380] I'll do that. I should wake up in the moon as soon as I wake up. I started three o'clock this morning. So, oh my gosh
[50:33.100 --> 50:35.100] Well, it's from
[50:35.100 --> 50:42.860] My address is amy21546 at gmail.com just so you recognize it. Yeah, I recognized your emails. Uh, oh
[50:43.980 --> 50:48.060] As soon as I get up tomorrow, i'll get on the email and i'll send those to you
[50:48.860 --> 50:54.940] Well, i'll start preparing, you know thinking about what to say and how to say it and researching the phone numbers and so forth
[50:55.020 --> 50:59.020] And um, we'll get right on this on monday and I will let you all know what happened
[50:59.900 --> 51:02.700] Thank you, folks all three of you so much
[51:02.700 --> 51:04.700] Sure, amy
[51:05.260 --> 51:07.520] When you talk to this clerk think politics
[51:08.220 --> 51:12.640] Because okay, it may not be political but that clerk is absolutely
[51:13.340 --> 51:16.700] A political animal if he's a supreme court clerk
[51:18.140 --> 51:20.620] That will be a springboard to high office
[51:21.740 --> 51:24.720] So he's going to be very politically attuned
[51:25.820 --> 51:28.960] So if you make it look like this could break out into a political
[51:28.960 --> 51:32.020] Football he's going to make it go away
[51:34.100 --> 51:39.220] Okay, I really like the idea thank you so much and like I said, i'll keep in touch and let you know how it's going
[51:39.220 --> 51:44.980] Yeah, send that to me. Also rent. Oh, definitely definitely. Sorry to make you sorry to make you hold so long
[51:44.980 --> 51:50.420] There's so many callers. No, it's okay. I'm just so grateful for the assistance. I don't care
[51:50.420 --> 51:55.540] You know what I care about is that that i'm getting some help however, you know, however long I have to wait
[51:55.540 --> 51:57.540] That's fine. So thank you
[51:57.540 --> 52:04.340] Okay, you have a lovely have a lovely evening. What's left of it? Thank you. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye
[52:05.380 --> 52:09.220] Okay, we have a couple more callers, uh, but I have a question first
[52:10.180 --> 52:14.180] I wanted to ask paul just to go over
[52:15.300 --> 52:19.540] Something paul that you addressed earlier having to do with
[52:20.500 --> 52:22.500] this account
[52:22.580 --> 52:24.580] relating to
[52:24.580 --> 52:26.180] the straw man
[52:26.180 --> 52:27.780] and
[52:27.780 --> 52:32.500] You were mentioning earlier how to find out if other entities
[52:33.700 --> 52:36.520] Have been have been or currently accessing
[52:37.220 --> 52:39.220] that
[52:40.020 --> 52:45.380] Right, well what you have to remember or recognize is that we have
[52:46.340 --> 52:48.340] a couple of accounts
[52:48.340 --> 52:57.140] Um, one is our individual selves as we look at ourselves and think that we're you know
[52:59.940 --> 53:04.820] Warm-blooded human beings and you know walking and standing on the earth and all that
[53:05.380 --> 53:09.060] and on the farms that we comply with the government to
[53:10.000 --> 53:15.720] Recognize what we've earned and so forth in that domain is the is the farm 1040
[53:15.720 --> 53:17.240] 40
[53:17.240 --> 53:21.400] but in addition to that the government has created a
[53:22.520 --> 53:24.280] separate
[53:24.280 --> 53:28.940] Uh entity that is set up as a as a corporation
[53:30.760 --> 53:34.200] And I have to apologize because I can't keep these farm numbers
[53:35.800 --> 53:42.040] It's a 4506 t or 4306 I can't ever remember that goofy number
[53:42.040 --> 53:44.040] Uh
[53:45.160 --> 53:51.800] But it's what you use you you can go in and fill out a request for information at any
[53:52.840 --> 53:56.840] regional or local irs office and
[53:58.200 --> 54:01.720] You complete this this farm it's I know it ends in a t
[54:05.400 --> 54:08.600] Is everybody still there have I lost you no, we're here okay
[54:08.600 --> 54:13.000] Anyhow, I was looking I've got the farm here. I just can't find it
[54:14.600 --> 54:16.600] On that you you check
[54:16.920 --> 54:20.620] Uh, whether you're filing or you're requesting information on a 1040
[54:21.800 --> 54:27.560] And also on that same farm is a place that you can check a box next to a form. That's an 11 20
[54:28.600 --> 54:31.960] An 11 20 is a corporation tax return
[54:31.960 --> 54:37.960] And you're all the stuff you ever get from the irs or any other government agency is
[54:38.520 --> 54:41.000] generally done on all capital letters and that's
[54:41.560 --> 54:48.600] That's the way the business community is designed is to identify the living breathing human
[54:49.320 --> 54:51.320] from the corporate
[54:51.960 --> 54:53.960] Entity that's created by our government
[54:54.760 --> 54:59.160] And all of us even though we were born in the various states or cities or counties
[54:59.160 --> 55:01.160] Or cities or counties
[55:01.720 --> 55:04.600] Our corporations have all been born in ogden, utah
[55:06.760 --> 55:10.680] No matter where we come from the corporation is set up in ogden, utah
[55:11.480 --> 55:15.560] And so if you want to determine if someone has been using your credit
[55:16.680 --> 55:18.680] Your energy as it were
[55:18.840 --> 55:26.280] That you're not aware of they've been doing it through your straw man account and your straw man account could be a tin number
[55:26.360 --> 55:28.360] an fin number
[55:28.360 --> 55:32.280] Are a social security number, but it's all in how you put it down on the farm
[55:33.400 --> 55:39.960] If you're doing it as an individual, it's three digits a dash two digits a dash and four digits
[55:41.000 --> 55:46.120] If you're doing it as a corporation, it's two digits and a day or a tin or an fin
[55:46.680 --> 55:51.160] It's two digits and a dash and then seven numbers strung together same numbers
[55:52.920 --> 55:56.200] And your corporation name is your name in all capital letters
[55:56.200 --> 55:58.200] and
[55:58.920 --> 56:04.520] You put your social down two digits dash and seven numbers dash and you go into the irs office
[56:05.240 --> 56:07.240] And you ask them to generate
[56:08.440 --> 56:13.960] A report on anyone that's that's issued at 1099 in that corporation's name
[56:15.400 --> 56:17.800] For the last and they'll go back at least three years
[56:17.800 --> 56:21.320] You can get it up to 10 years, but you have to write for anything beyond three
[56:21.800 --> 56:23.560] but if you go into the
[56:23.560 --> 56:27.960] Local office and you pull your number down out of their little meat market
[56:28.600 --> 56:31.800] Tab and you wait till they call your number and you go into this little
[56:32.440 --> 56:36.040] room with a sliding door and they introduce themselves to you and and uh,
[56:36.840 --> 56:39.400] What can we do for you today? You're here. There's my
[56:40.100 --> 56:43.720] 4506 t or 4306 whatever that farm number is
[56:45.800 --> 56:49.480] And you've got it filled out for your core and if you're doing it for you and your wife
[56:49.480 --> 56:54.360] And you need to be sure to have a power of attorney in your possession to to get your wife
[56:54.360 --> 56:56.360] So you have to take her with you?
[56:57.400 --> 56:59.320] And that will tell you
[56:59.320 --> 57:04.360] How much of your energy or your credit has been used by whomever has used it?
[57:05.640 --> 57:07.640] That year the last three years
[57:09.080 --> 57:10.360] So if your
[57:10.360 --> 57:13.640] county attorney or district attorney in the county where you live is
[57:13.640 --> 57:20.680] Bundled you to together with everybody else that resides there and sent money off in the form of a 1099a
[57:21.480 --> 57:27.480] To turn around and then apply for a federal block grant to come back and build a new wing on a hospital
[57:27.800 --> 57:33.240] That you didn't know anything about that's how they used your energy to finance
[57:34.360 --> 57:40.120] The addition of that hospital and they'll turn around and try and sell some bonds into the public
[57:40.120 --> 57:47.720] To revenue bonds or general obligation bonds or what-have-you to pay for the same hospital wing that you guys all built through your block grants
[57:47.720 --> 57:49.720] That you never knew about
[57:50.040 --> 57:52.680] And you're saying that they use the difference there, Deborah
[57:52.680 --> 57:55.180] I don't know you've got a 1040 and 1120
[57:55.880 --> 58:01.240] And it's how you fill out the form to request the information that determines whether anybody's been using your credit
[58:03.880 --> 58:06.520] And you're saying that these other entities would be filling out
[58:06.520 --> 58:12.040] A 1099a. I don't know if i've lost everybody or no. We're here. Can you hear me?
[58:13.640 --> 58:15.640] Paul we're here
[58:17.320 --> 58:19.320] Paul can you hear us?
[58:19.880 --> 58:21.880] I think we lost Paul
[58:23.240 --> 58:25.720] He must his cell phone must be acting up too
[58:27.640 --> 58:29.640] Okay, uh
[58:29.880 --> 58:32.760] Let's take Hans while we're waiting for Paul to come back here
[58:32.760 --> 58:36.760] Okay
[58:37.800 --> 58:38.760] Hello
[58:38.760 --> 58:43.640] Hans go ahead. Yes. Hello. No, i'm here. Hello. Hello
[58:45.400 --> 58:46.760] Hello
[58:46.760 --> 58:48.760] Hello
[58:48.760 --> 58:53.240] Hello, I can hear you all i'm here. Hello. Okay, you you have a question
[58:54.040 --> 58:56.040] Yes, um
[58:56.040 --> 58:57.000] actually
[58:57.000 --> 58:57.960] part of the
[58:57.960 --> 59:05.080] uh show is already at prior guests or prior people have already asked the question, but it's a clearing up the new
[59:05.800 --> 59:07.800] of the accepted for value process
[59:08.840 --> 59:10.840] from one of the other shows I
[59:11.160 --> 59:17.640] Corresponded with them and they got uh processed here and I wanted to kind of point out some differences for anybody else to obtain
[59:17.640 --> 59:20.920] The same information and just review it with our guests
[59:22.920 --> 59:23.960] Okay
[59:23.960 --> 59:32.840] Okay, all right, you I'll just read it real quick and and then point out some differences because i've already done this and my concern
[59:32.840 --> 59:34.840] was with credit cards
[59:34.840 --> 59:41.000] Uh, I just sent it off and with registered mail and a quick note about the registered mail
[59:41.400 --> 59:47.000] They had a criteria for sending registered mail had to be a bond and a couple of maybe stocks or something
[59:47.000 --> 59:49.000] I didn't quite understand that
[59:49.000 --> 59:50.120] but
[59:50.120 --> 59:55.400] From the information I got here saying a bond numbers, uh to be written down
[59:56.120 --> 59:58.120] on the accepted for value statement
[59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.960] so I thought well then that would qualify for a bond the best I know but
[01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:09.160] So i'm just getting new into this process find it fascinating by the way. I'm very grateful you guys are doing i'll be sending y'all some money
[01:00:09.640 --> 01:00:13.560] I hope any all the other listeners who are grateful for your information will do the same
[01:00:14.600 --> 01:00:16.600] but uh
[01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:22.200] Let me go ahead and read it what they had said for this process is to take a statement and separate the check
[01:00:23.160 --> 01:00:27.960] Coupon portion of the statement top portion then make a copy for your records if there's no
[01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:34.920] Coupon then make a copy of it and use one copy as the coupon on the face of the statement write or stamp
[01:00:35.560 --> 01:00:40.040] At a 45 degree angle this accepted for value return for value
[01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.000] Date which is you use your birth date
[01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:47.880] Or your date of birth the bond number that term kind of threw me off
[01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:56.040] But it says a nine digit routing number which they didn't explain as the guest has explained and the bond member back of social security
[01:00:56.840 --> 01:01:04.520] Drop the letter do not carry do not add any zeros sign it or just put um, they are and then sign
[01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.480] On the coupon
[01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:15.160] Voucher put the date again anywhere on the face in the box for the amount paid enter the amount you owe paying
[01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:23.960] Like all of it, especially if they show an account balance in the lower right hand corner below the amount paid sign
[01:01:24.680 --> 01:01:26.680] name if you had
[01:01:26.680 --> 01:01:31.960] No coupon then put your name on the amount paid box and sign it below
[01:01:32.200 --> 01:01:35.160] Nothing else just a regular signature on the in back
[01:01:35.160 --> 01:01:40.200] On back endorse it on the right hand as a normal check regular signature
[01:01:41.640 --> 01:01:43.640] For closing an account
[01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:50.440] You do the same as as above on the face of the statement right the under the uh, accepted for value
[01:01:51.080 --> 01:01:53.240] And return for value as in red
[01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.400] So they specify add the following for settlement and closure
[01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.440] So then there's a second
[01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:07.960] Here about the envelope place both a statement and the coupon in the same envelope and mark on the outside of the envelope
[01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:10.280] private and confidential and in red
[01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.480] And to the left side
[01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:15.800] of the
[01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:19.640] The left side of the two addressed and under
[01:02:21.160 --> 01:02:24.380] Your return address put priority and confidential
[01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.400] Put priority and confidential
[01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:31.880] Send registered mail with electronic signature confirmation requested or
[01:02:33.560 --> 01:02:38.200] Certified registered with the return receipt requested, which is what I did and mailed to
[01:02:39.560 --> 01:02:41.560] attention cfo
[01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.880] chief financial officer
[01:02:44.120 --> 01:02:51.320] And which I did and then for tax bills, they recommended kansas city for irs to supposedly be getting them accepted. But
[01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:57.480] Uh, and you can put stop 4440 4440 p.o box 90 36
[01:02:58.200 --> 01:02:59.240] ogden
[01:02:59.240 --> 01:03:01.240] utah 84021
[01:03:02.120 --> 01:03:04.120] For zip
[01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:09.720] And then there's a comment for this it says for the reason we do this is we are giving up the cfo
[01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:13.160] Permission to access our dtc account
[01:03:15.160 --> 01:03:16.520] And get
[01:03:16.520 --> 01:03:23.160] account and get an asset fund to offset the debt
[01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:30.520] Frns are liability and public funds and are just another debt. We are allowed to do this
[01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:37.000] Under the contract we signed with our signature and social security number per services or whatever
[01:03:37.640 --> 01:03:38.740] the
[01:03:38.740 --> 01:03:42.280] Cfo is allowed to go under the dtc under hjr
[01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.820] 192 to offset the account if you pay back
[01:03:46.700 --> 01:03:48.620] so if you
[01:03:48.620 --> 01:03:52.860] Pay by check money order etc. You are paying with public
[01:03:53.580 --> 01:03:56.220] liability funds and the cfo will do a
[01:03:57.300 --> 01:03:58.780] 1099 a
[01:03:58.780 --> 01:04:01.900] on the abandoned credit you neglected to claim
[01:04:02.620 --> 01:04:07.820] And you you'll have paid them twice the cfo is licensed to do
[01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:12.400] an ach transfer from the private side of the dtc
[01:04:13.180 --> 01:04:15.100] He's getting real money which
[01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:19.500] Strengthens the dollar and will help slow down the issuance of the emeritus
[01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:22.620] If they don't credit the account with this
[01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:25.340] afd
[01:04:25.340 --> 01:04:32.860] Affidavit statement, I guess in vouchers then send it back with a form 28, which is one of my questions only form 28 only
[01:04:33.580 --> 01:04:36.620] They can rebut the affidavit and it stands good
[01:04:36.620 --> 01:04:38.300] stands good
[01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:40.300] As good under contract law
[01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:44.380] So I guess one question is a form 28 if that's even necessary
[01:04:44.540 --> 01:04:48.780] and I just wanted to point out a couple of things since we've already done this a little bit of review, but
[01:04:50.620 --> 01:04:52.620] One the separating of the check
[01:04:53.180 --> 01:04:56.380] of contradiction or confusion a little bit and
[01:04:57.020 --> 01:04:59.020] the terms bond or exception
[01:04:59.020 --> 01:05:06.380] Um when you write things in red the suggestion here is that you write accepted for value return for value
[01:05:07.180 --> 01:05:08.140] then
[01:05:08.140 --> 01:05:10.140] you put
[01:05:10.140 --> 01:05:16.540] An exemption number which the term exemption and bond number is interchangeable I guess here because the uh
[01:05:17.100 --> 01:05:19.580] On the example of the stamp it was exemption number
[01:05:20.380 --> 01:05:24.620] And then I did this which I can see now thanks to your guest did it wrong
[01:05:24.700 --> 01:05:28.220] I guess because I put my social security number as the nine-digit routing number
[01:05:28.220 --> 01:05:30.220] instead of
[01:05:31.100 --> 01:05:33.980] Interpreting the letter and finding out the
[01:05:36.140 --> 01:05:39.420] Routing number in which that letter represents now
[01:05:40.620 --> 01:05:42.620] Is a d for dallas or whatever
[01:05:43.500 --> 01:05:45.820] And the bond number which is on the back
[01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.900] Obviously of the social security card
[01:05:50.940 --> 01:05:53.980] And I don't know they may vary in length and number but I wrote that down
[01:05:53.980 --> 01:05:58.460] So I just wrote my social security number. I dropped the letter as the instruction says
[01:05:59.100 --> 01:06:01.900] But I and I so I did my social security number
[01:06:02.620 --> 01:06:05.420] But you had to put the routing number from what I understand
[01:06:07.100 --> 01:06:11.180] By finding out the letter then you put the bond number and then you put the social security number
[01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:14.700] With no spaces and then that should be valid
[01:06:15.260 --> 01:06:17.820] So i'll have to adjust that now. My question is
[01:06:18.700 --> 01:06:22.380] If I made any mistake, like you said you're just going to be able to have it sent back to you
[01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:24.220] and
[01:06:24.220 --> 01:06:26.220] If it doesn't stand correctly, you can go ahead and
[01:06:26.780 --> 01:06:32.460] Just correct your mistakes. Now. I haven't done a ucc one. So that's the second part of my question, too
[01:06:33.100 --> 01:06:37.900] Or ucc 11 or whatever. I haven't filed in the end. I want to know the ramifications of doing
[01:06:38.860 --> 01:06:40.060] uh
[01:06:40.060 --> 01:06:42.460] The process here without a ucc
[01:06:43.260 --> 01:06:48.140] Or can I just do it? I can't just do an affidavit or statement or or because it's
[01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:51.100] very interesting that you finally
[01:06:51.100 --> 01:06:54.860] said that they do indeed have two different they have a straw man account or
[01:06:56.060 --> 01:06:59.340] For lack of a better term and the other corporate
[01:07:00.220 --> 01:07:02.220] kind of account so that's
[01:07:02.220 --> 01:07:03.580] clears up that
[01:07:03.580 --> 01:07:11.500] Part of it. So you're I wondered too if you do the ucc. Are you binding yourself into a contract? There's some kind of
[01:07:12.140 --> 01:07:17.980] Contract that we're operating as a u.s. Citizen. Are we operate we're operating on a bankrupt
[01:07:18.620 --> 01:07:19.980] country
[01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:25.420] And so that's what gives us the ability to do this. So i've at least learned that much
[01:07:26.380 --> 01:07:31.360] And why we're doing it. So I do appreciate that now. I guess i'll i'll sit back and let you all respond
[01:07:34.940 --> 01:07:39.520] I mean if you if you think we're you're up to your eyeballs in contracts
[01:07:40.220 --> 01:07:43.260] They're mostly adhesion contracts. You're not even aware of
[01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:49.900] So to to quickly try and explain as I got in a little bit late on what you were saying, but
[01:07:50.620 --> 01:07:53.260] The straw man account is your corporate account
[01:07:53.900 --> 01:07:55.100] Okay
[01:07:55.100 --> 01:07:57.100] So that you understand that
[01:07:57.260 --> 01:08:04.720] The if if you're dealing with as far as the ucc one you want to become a transmitting utility
[01:08:07.020 --> 01:08:09.020] If you file that
[01:08:09.020 --> 01:08:13.900] That's uniform commercial code is in the texas business and you know, there's a
[01:08:15.020 --> 01:08:17.020] almost the same exact laws
[01:08:17.980 --> 01:08:18.940] uh
[01:08:18.940 --> 01:08:24.140] And most states have them but all all the states have pretty much I think washington state was the last one
[01:08:24.380 --> 01:08:26.380] They've all adopted the ucc
[01:08:27.820 --> 01:08:34.320] Concept that's uniform commercial code you file the ucc one as a transmitting utility
[01:08:34.320 --> 01:08:37.200] And then whenever you're starting to
[01:08:38.160 --> 01:08:40.160] Put your debt
[01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:44.980] The people that say you owe money you want to put a claim in on a ucc
[01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.000] two boys
[01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.600] It's getting late at night. Uh,
[01:08:50.160 --> 01:08:54.560] Maybe it's the ucc three, but you're putting yourself first in line
[01:08:55.360 --> 01:08:56.800] as the
[01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:02.020] Authorized representative of your corporate straw man account, which is what the ucc
[01:09:02.020 --> 01:09:04.820] is what the ucc one is designed to
[01:09:05.860 --> 01:09:07.780] to to govern
[01:09:07.780 --> 01:09:12.020] And that means you're placing yourself first in line for some dollar amount
[01:09:12.660 --> 01:09:14.920] And you create a inventory
[01:09:16.020 --> 01:09:17.220] uh
[01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:18.820] of a value
[01:09:18.820 --> 01:09:22.660] that that is filed and every now and then you go in and update your
[01:09:23.140 --> 01:09:26.500] I guess it's the ucc three where you're putting more and more
[01:09:27.220 --> 01:09:28.340] debts
[01:09:28.340 --> 01:09:30.340] That you have to be paid before they can
[01:09:30.340 --> 01:09:35.160] Pay you have to pay them. That's that's the whole purpose behind the ucc
[01:09:35.780 --> 01:09:37.140] filing
[01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:40.580] And then the other ucc I mentioned was if they say you owe them money
[01:09:41.140 --> 01:09:43.140] You file a ucc 11
[01:09:43.700 --> 01:09:45.700] And that is a search
[01:09:45.780 --> 01:09:50.900] In the uniform commercial code to determine whether a lien has actually been filed against you
[01:09:51.700 --> 01:09:53.700] Oh
[01:09:53.780 --> 01:09:57.220] Okay, well, okay. Well, that's interpreting all the these
[01:09:57.220 --> 01:10:04.040] These uh quotations and trying to figure out when and where i'm going to be using them because it's just
[01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.680] It's so fascinating
[01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:13.480] You just wrap your your head around it. But as far as the stamp that you write across there and writing it in red
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.040] Are those good actually I don't write in red I write in blue
[01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:20.360] Okay
[01:10:20.360 --> 01:10:25.160] And uh, but and you say accepted for about accepted and returned for assessed value
[01:10:25.160 --> 01:10:30.920] Instead of is there any real difference between saying that versus accepted for value and returned for value?
[01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:33.980] As have you got a black's law dictionary?
[01:10:35.160 --> 01:10:41.800] No, i've heard of recommending getting it. I know that much. Have you got any bouvier law dictionaries? No
[01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:45.000] Go through
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.560] You know one of the fascinating things about my life
[01:10:48.280 --> 01:10:51.880] Is every now and then a sweet sweet gal from iowa
[01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:57.000] Uh, yeah suggested this to me one time instead of reading all this garbage
[01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.960] You read sit down with a black's law dictionary and just start reading definitions of legal terms
[01:11:02.280 --> 01:11:04.280] It's the most amazing thing you can ever do
[01:11:05.160 --> 01:11:07.160] Yeah
[01:11:07.480 --> 01:11:09.480] Look up the term assessed
[01:11:10.200 --> 01:11:17.900] Look up the term closure and settlement and this accounting. What does that mean this accounting?
[01:11:17.900 --> 01:11:19.900] Uh
[01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:23.820] Those there are key elements to those phrases
[01:11:24.780 --> 01:11:31.760] Very key authorized representative look up the term authorize and look up the term representative then go look it up in the ucc
[01:11:32.700 --> 01:11:34.700] sections of the of the
[01:11:34.780 --> 01:11:36.140] code
[01:11:36.140 --> 01:11:37.900] so
[01:11:37.900 --> 01:11:43.900] I hesitate here, but I do want to kind of nail some things down here as far as as you're concerned
[01:11:43.900 --> 01:11:49.260] Uh, you would write it a little different. You probably say accepted and returned for value or for
[01:11:50.300 --> 01:11:56.140] Value right assessed it is an operative word account for settlement and closure
[01:11:57.340 --> 01:11:58.940] and then
[01:11:58.940 --> 01:12:01.580] Would you bother putting a date using your birth date?
[01:12:03.020 --> 01:12:08.940] Uh, I don't put any date on it other than I send them back the farm they send to me
[01:12:09.660 --> 01:12:11.020] Okay
[01:12:11.020 --> 01:12:16.620] And is it with credit cards? Is it important to tear off the uh, I don't ever tear them apart
[01:12:17.100 --> 01:12:23.260] Okay, so there's a difference there. I make copies of them. I retain the copy and I send their whole farm back
[01:12:23.980 --> 01:12:30.380] Okay, I did do that. I copied off before tore it and uh, but I did as just instructed so it's a little differences
[01:12:31.100 --> 01:12:33.100] uh the bond number I uh
[01:12:33.820 --> 01:12:37.020] Like I said, I just did my social security number and uh wrote
[01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:40.620] I dropped the letter and wrote that but now I have to I realize now i'm gonna have to
[01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:47.260] Find out what the the letter represents and get that as you did earlier in the show and then go ahead and put my social
[01:12:47.340 --> 01:12:48.940] security number with
[01:12:48.940 --> 01:12:50.940] You said make a few spaces
[01:12:51.020 --> 01:12:53.020] uh, write the social security number
[01:12:53.420 --> 01:12:55.420] and uh
[01:12:55.420 --> 01:12:57.420] then put my uh
[01:12:58.300 --> 01:13:01.980] Well, that's it right you've got you you found your writing number and your social security number
[01:13:02.060 --> 01:13:05.660] But you said the 1040 voucher, which is nothing said on on this
[01:13:05.660 --> 01:13:07.660] uh acceptor for value process
[01:13:08.380 --> 01:13:10.940] So, I don't know who you're sending stuff to so
[01:13:11.740 --> 01:13:15.420] Oh, well, okay a credit card company in this case, but um, well
[01:13:15.980 --> 01:13:21.340] 1040 vouchers and irs farm you only usually send those to the irs. Okay?
[01:13:21.980 --> 01:13:27.180] So these are the way that you wouldn't need that in this case. All right, let me let me uh again
[01:13:27.180 --> 01:13:31.420] I apologize. I got cut off the line again, so I didn't hear the opening part of your comments
[01:13:31.980 --> 01:13:34.380] Well, I also include a cover letter
[01:13:34.380 --> 01:13:35.820] Cover letter
[01:13:35.820 --> 01:13:37.820] Okay with what I do
[01:13:37.820 --> 01:13:42.860] Okay, and it's I I presume that there's i've heard them say they archive this stuff
[01:13:42.940 --> 01:13:46.540] So let me real quick. It's a very very short concise letter
[01:13:47.740 --> 01:13:55.180] It's made out to the whoever it is you're sending stuff and it's starts out instead of regarding it starts out notice
[01:13:55.180 --> 01:14:02.800] Assurance issuance of currency for cause with a slash and then offset authorization
[01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:06.960] When you address it to whoever you're sending it to
[01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:15.760] Credit card company irs, uh, mortgage company whomever it would be you center that little statement at the top or in the middle
[01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:22.720] Yeah, that's as a notice notice notice also is another word. You need to look up notice is a very key word. Okay?
[01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:29.140] Okay, and it says please find enclosed my acceptance of your instrument as presented
[01:14:30.160 --> 01:14:35.620] I have endorsed it thereby creating the necessary currency required to settle accounts under the bankruptcy
[01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:42.400] Please convert to book entry and post it to the account identified above and memo'd on the alliance
[01:14:42.400 --> 01:14:44.900] So the recipient may receive the funds appropriately
[01:14:44.900 --> 01:14:51.940] I hereby give authorization for the recipient to apply funds towards offset of all liability owed and bring the account current
[01:14:52.420 --> 01:14:59.700] I do not waive or abandon these security. So please return the remaining principle to the source upon full settlement
[01:15:00.260 --> 01:15:04.500] Please return all originals intact if this is an error or deficient in any way
[01:15:04.980 --> 01:15:11.940] Otherwise, I anticipate you're adjusting the account and releasing the obligation to me shortly tendered with honorable intent
[01:15:11.940 --> 01:15:14.840] Honorable intent. Thank you in advance for your cooperation
[01:15:15.620 --> 01:15:17.220] regards
[01:15:17.220 --> 01:15:18.980] signed as me
[01:15:18.980 --> 01:15:21.300] Agent for me the all capital name
[01:15:23.700 --> 01:15:29.140] So I sign it as my normal name and then under that I just write the all capital name you print your name and upper
[01:15:29.220 --> 01:15:31.140] lowercase letters
[01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:37.940] A dash between your first and middle name a colon and your last name and then agent far and that whole name without any
[01:15:38.020 --> 01:15:40.820] dashes or colons in all uppercase letters
[01:15:40.820 --> 01:15:46.100] That's how this the end of it is. So there isn't actually just signing your signature as normal
[01:15:46.660 --> 01:15:50.980] You sign your signature up, you know between your printed name and regards
[01:15:51.540 --> 01:15:53.220] Okay
[01:15:53.220 --> 01:15:59.060] And then included in that you have a you have your money order
[01:16:01.700 --> 01:16:08.740] Oh, I carried a few steps further I I put the certified copies of all my mailouts the green card the
[01:16:08.740 --> 01:16:12.520] Registered mail number. It's all copied on the next sheet
[01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.600] uh
[01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:22.080] Certification it's it's I declare the following presentments front and back contained here and to be true correct to the best my ability
[01:16:22.160 --> 01:16:24.160] You know, that's an affidavit signed by
[01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:26.640] notarized
[01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:32.160] And then there's a money order for each of each and every account that i'm sending and that that goes to them
[01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:35.040] uh under a notary seal
[01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:41.360] Excellent excellent the uh notary I mean this money order that you're referring to are you
[01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:46.880] You're not you're you're saying that the coupon is the money order. Is that correct? That's exactly what it is, right?
[01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:50.720] All right. They sent you a bill. They didn't include the check. All right
[01:16:51.340 --> 01:16:54.320] Hgr 192 says they're obligated to pay all your debts
[01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:57.520] Excellent. Excellent
[01:16:58.160 --> 01:16:59.600] and uh
[01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:01.600] Well, this is this is great now
[01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:07.360] This we've we've gone through the little stamp or or the 45 degree the
[01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:11.600] Accepted for and returned. I don't put this on 45 degrees
[01:17:12.240 --> 01:17:14.480] Okay, and I don't type it. I hand write it
[01:17:15.280 --> 01:17:22.560] All right. Well, what happens when the uh handwriting starts messing over all the little their little fine little print on a credit card?
[01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:28.400] I can use a different colored ink pen. I can I can answer that one
[01:17:28.400 --> 01:17:31.120] Okay, the statute says
[01:17:32.080 --> 01:17:36.240] a handwriting on a document takes precedence over
[01:17:37.200 --> 01:17:41.760] Typed document. Excellent. Excellent. Anything that's written in by hand
[01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.800] Is considered to be the last thing and it stands before anything else in the document
[01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:50.720] Excellent. Absolutely and you want to really screw with them
[01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:57.200] Get yourself a bunch of two cent stamps and put a two cent stamp on the front and back of each page and sign across
[01:17:57.200 --> 01:17:59.760] That stamp you've self-canceled that stamp then
[01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:07.360] Okay, and now you have got the international postal system of bond switzerland involved with it
[01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.840] At the end, okay, we've we've written i've gotten
[01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.480] In this conversation all the way pat to what they call a bond number exemption number
[01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:23.440] Are you just the routing number and your social security number? So you've gotten that on there now
[01:18:23.440 --> 01:18:25.440] You're just going to sign right below that
[01:18:25.440 --> 01:18:32.400] As authorized representative. Okay, so you want okay, see this one just said by and colon and then under
[01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:39.680] Well, I say by and sign my name and then right below my name. I print authorized representative two more words
[01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:47.040] You need to look up in black's law. Do you have a half-price bookstore anywhere around you? Yeah, we do and I will but
[01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:50.880] For around thirteen dollars you can get a used
[01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:54.960] Black's dictionary six seventh fourth edition. I ain't you know, I mean, yeah
[01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:57.600] Seventh I think is the current one
[01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:01.120] I mean you can look up a law firms that might have
[01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.360] Books that they want to get rid of as a way to exit get those kind of
[01:19:06.240 --> 01:19:11.600] Resources, but yes, I I want i'll do all that but right now i'd rather give it to the rule of law radio
[01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:19.280] So I mean if I have the extra 35 bucks at this point, you know, I once I free myself from these
[01:19:19.280 --> 01:19:23.200] Once I free myself from these payments using these methods
[01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:30.480] Then then my goodness, then I will be able to afford these other things. What what kind of payments you're trying to free yourself from?
[01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:33.360] a credit card company
[01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:35.920] How about your utility bill?
[01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:42.080] Well, you know to me there's like we talked about we should use these methods which is kind of
[01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:47.120] Uh with some reserve and I maybe maybe that's a totally different issue
[01:19:47.120 --> 01:19:53.120] But to me an exchange that's an ongoing recurring expense every month. Yes, it is. But
[01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.360] I'm not find out who the cfo is with your utility company
[01:19:58.400 --> 01:20:00.880] Do not stop paying your monthly utility bill
[01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:04.560] But you draft a letter to him
[01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:09.620] Identifying these issues as contained in hdr 192
[01:20:11.200 --> 01:20:13.040] And tell him it's going to be your
[01:20:13.040 --> 01:20:16.240] Aim in the next 90 days
[01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.520] To convert the account that you have with him
[01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:27.040] From where he's sending you a presentment and you're writing a check back to him when in fact he should be
[01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.080] Presenting you the presentment with a check
[01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:37.360] And you're willing to work with him and you know over this next 90 days to get this account re-established the way it needs to be
[01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:42.000] To where all you get this is not a bill. Please do not pay
[01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:44.000] your utility payment
[01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:50.720] That's interesting
[01:20:51.440 --> 01:20:58.480] I don't know if there is still some attachment to pay for something that i'm using and I maybe i'm i'm not thinking as freely
[01:20:59.040 --> 01:21:00.480] They should there but
[01:21:00.480 --> 01:21:02.480] It's an interesting concept
[01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:10.080] I see how the banks are using our money and our value against us and
[01:21:10.080 --> 01:21:12.080] So I can understand that
[01:21:13.200 --> 01:21:18.340] Still I receive good and for those things but they're prepaid
[01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.120] There you go
[01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:25.280] Yes, we've had other guests on the rue laval radio that talked about prepaid
[01:21:26.160 --> 01:21:28.160] the whole accepted for value concept
[01:21:30.080 --> 01:21:34.080] I understand you're right, but uh, I you know
[01:21:34.080 --> 01:21:40.800] But uh, I you know, there still has to be energy given so that the economy still goes
[01:21:41.200 --> 01:21:43.920] I think in the economy would be going much better
[01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:45.680] if
[01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:49.840] Well, that's interesting. You had money to spend every month on stuff that you needed as opposed to
[01:21:50.480 --> 01:21:52.560] Paying twice for something. They're already giving you
[01:21:53.120 --> 01:21:58.160] That okay that well, that's the interesting concept if everybody starts doing this it will have
[01:21:59.120 --> 01:22:00.800] What kind of effect?
[01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:05.280] It will people will be that women can stay home and raise kids
[01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:07.040] Amen
[01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:11.280] And it'll actually show you why a system like this never would have worked to begin with
[01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:18.080] That's what it'll accelerate it will accelerate them to force with to deal with it. Honestly, that's what i'm hoping
[01:22:18.480 --> 01:22:20.880] that the that the end effect of all this would be
[01:22:21.440 --> 01:22:23.440] making those that are
[01:22:24.080 --> 01:22:26.080] Trying to preserve the system
[01:22:26.080 --> 01:22:30.720] To look at it and say that they have to deal with it. But hopefully whatever they deal with will be
[01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:34.000] no false flag
[01:22:34.080 --> 01:22:41.200] Terracing or some other type of extreme reaction towards the people that they are supposed to serve
[01:22:43.120 --> 01:22:50.000] But um nevertheless, you know the interesting concept of all this is if you think back on our history from the beginning of the
[01:22:50.320 --> 01:22:52.320] of the 20th century
[01:22:52.320 --> 01:22:58.400] The first world war came around and the men all went off to fight and what the women do they did away with whiskey
[01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:02.480] And so we had prohibition and gangs overtake this country
[01:23:03.280 --> 01:23:09.280] They finally settled that issue and we got the back where we could we could uh, drink whiskey again
[01:23:10.160 --> 01:23:12.160] and the and the
[01:23:12.400 --> 01:23:17.360] Elliot Ness group went out and got rid of most of the gangs in open warfare that was going on
[01:23:17.360 --> 01:23:22.000] Then world war ii came along and the greatest generation went over there and saved the world from
[01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:26.960] Nazism and imperial japan and while they were gone
[01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:29.280] the
[01:23:29.280 --> 01:23:32.240] Statists or whatever you want to call them the progressives
[01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:38.400] That came about with teddy roosevelt were left in charge here and they started us down this slope
[01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:40.720] of
[01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:42.320] creating a
[01:23:42.320 --> 01:23:49.600] creating a a government where our only tit is whatever the government's willing to stick in front of us and everybody's
[01:23:50.240 --> 01:23:56.480] Is supposed to grab onto and hang on for dear life and eisenhower warned us in the 50s look out for the
[01:23:57.360 --> 01:23:58.460] uh
[01:23:58.460 --> 01:24:00.460] military industrial complex
[01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:07.040] And we have allowed we this generation the generation of the 60s in this have allowed this nation
[01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:09.520] to slip into disrepair that it has
[01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:16.340] and it's really a sad state of affairs that you know, when you listen to the idiots on tv talk about the democracy
[01:24:17.040 --> 01:24:24.160] If you read the military manual, it says that democracy is a communist organization to be fought at every
[01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:26.000] every turn
[01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:29.700] And yet that's all we hear on tv this democracy that democracy
[01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:38.080] We're a representative republic that the people have forgot how to force our representatives to represent us and that's what aggravates me
[01:24:38.080 --> 01:24:39.600] aggravates me
[01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:45.360] To no end, but i'm an old man and i'm not going to be around here if my poor kids have really got a problem
[01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.080] I thank you so much for sharing your knowledge
[01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.920] I i'm just loving it and I appreciate it so much
[01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:56.000] so, um, I feel like you're doing your part and uh,
[01:24:57.040 --> 01:24:59.280] I hope this isn't the last time we see you before
[01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:03.600] Or hear from you. Well, I don't know how I look to you tonight. I've been
[01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.600] Kind of laid back here i'm drinking beer and
[01:25:10.160 --> 01:25:17.520] Sam what's far ollie error in language, but nevertheless I I do appreciate uh, and uh, one more question, too. Um,
[01:25:18.160 --> 01:25:22.800] How how you've obviously been um successful in this is that correct?
[01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:25.760] Once upon a time I used to think I was pretty
[01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:31.840] No, I bet in the process of accepted for value you actually are offsetting debt for the from this
[01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.880] Uh, yes, I am doing some of that. Yes
[01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:42.560] Okay, well that's uh interesting well, that's the term too I mean, um, what none of the banks
[01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:47.920] I mean, nobody no, nobody's going to try to bring you before a lawyer or anything like that for doing this process. I mean
[01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:52.880] I'm not good properly. There's no way they can bring you before a lawyer
[01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:59.680] I think I think some people that was going through my head. What am I doing in my if i'm self, uh,
[01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.880] you know, am I am I exercising laws that where I
[01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:07.680] uh, I don't know anything about and find myself in a situation where um,
[01:26:09.360 --> 01:26:12.480] I used to see myself in front of the federal court where
[01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.800] I don't find myself as skilled as you
[01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:22.000] Let me uh, let me tell you what I would tell any judge that had me before him
[01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:26.480] I would I would have just a few very few questions
[01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:33.680] Uh, the first one would be is this a court of law that is
[01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:40.720] Recorded
[01:26:41.360 --> 01:26:44.240] Are we actually uh,
[01:26:44.240 --> 01:26:49.520] Everything I'm saying and doing in here is on the record because if it's not I'm not saying another thing
[01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:53.520] I'm not saying anything. I'm not answering any questions until you've convinced me
[01:26:54.400 --> 01:26:56.400] That this proceeding is being recorded
[01:26:57.360 --> 01:26:59.360] And once that occurs
[01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:04.800] I'm going to inform that guy that I am the beneficiary of this trust and I am hereby appointing you. Mr
[01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:06.800] Judge as my trustee
[01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:16.080] And then i'm going to tell you as my trustee. It is my will that you discharge this matter that i'm accused of and you eliminate this record
[01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:25.440] And I further direct you and will you to compensate me for x number of dollars in redemption for my
[01:27:25.440 --> 01:27:27.440] My opportunity appear before you here today
[01:27:27.440 --> 01:27:32.740] For x number of dollars in redemption for my my opportunity appear before you here today
[01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:43.600] Let me just be quiet
[01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:47.040] I thought we lost you the next guy that speaks loses
[01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:49.520] gentlemen
[01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:51.840] Yeah, you notice I didn't speak after that
[01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:59.380] What's that judge going to say? I just made him the trustee surely. He's familiar with the 28 of 90 and 91
[01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.440] So lose him again, no i'm right here
[01:28:06.240 --> 01:28:11.920] I'm listening very intently. I'm listening to what you're saying. But again, I'm the beneficiary
[01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:17.620] I was made a beneficiary before I was born by franklin roosevelt 1933
[01:28:17.620 --> 01:28:20.900] All right
[01:28:22.020 --> 01:28:28.920] I have just now appointed him as a trustee if you use an irs farm. It's farm 56 if you use a farm sf-28
[01:28:31.140 --> 01:28:33.140] You have now made him the trustee
[01:28:33.540 --> 01:28:41.700] What does a sovereign do a king? He never directed anybody to do anything. He never ordered anybody doing he said it is my will
[01:28:41.700 --> 01:28:46.180] Will yep is my will that you do this
[01:28:50.580 --> 01:28:53.300] It's a great way of thinking that's why I call it thinking free
[01:28:53.940 --> 01:29:00.900] Because we just hey there, you know, I get to work and I say I wish I could tell you all the things that i'm hearing
[01:29:01.620 --> 01:29:07.140] And I even tonight, you know, I said look on your look on this cash or tip. It says note
[01:29:07.140 --> 01:29:12.180] Do you have any idea and I said go look at money is dead. I don't know what you think of that film, but
[01:29:12.820 --> 01:29:14.340] uh, but you know
[01:29:14.340 --> 01:29:17.300] Short films on youtube are very effective for younger generation
[01:29:18.900 --> 01:29:24.260] But I hope I hope I can take this, you know, and it's great if you ever read the creature from jackal island
[01:29:25.380 --> 01:29:28.740] I do have the book. I haven't read it through. I read a few readers read it
[01:29:28.740 --> 01:29:35.300] So I will I will and I'll in these other ones the money mechanics and your money I need to order those
[01:29:35.940 --> 01:29:37.940] so, um
[01:29:37.940 --> 01:29:43.460] You said the money mechanics that chap modern money mechanics. Yeah, oh modern money mechanics. Okay
[01:29:44.020 --> 01:29:47.220] Well, I again i'm probably taking up too much time
[01:29:47.220 --> 01:29:52.900] I did want to clarify that process for somebody so they can do that process without having their ucc's
[01:29:52.900 --> 01:29:59.220] Filed that's another process you might cover, but i'll let somebody else handle that i'll let everybody move on and
[01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:01.780] I've got my questions answered
[01:30:01.780 --> 01:30:06.900] So next time if the bill comes in they haven't accepted it then they just said re-send it back and i'm going to make
[01:30:06.900 --> 01:30:08.900] these adjustments as you stated
[01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:10.980] and uh, just
[01:30:10.980 --> 01:30:16.260] Just continue to send it back as long as they send it to you. I mean, I spent forty dollars on registered
[01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:24.260] I mean, I spent forty dollars on registered mail. So, you know, really I would suggest you start using a notary and doing it
[01:30:24.420 --> 01:30:26.420] Where you're doing it?
[01:30:26.660 --> 01:30:29.640] That you can ultimately apply a notarial protest
[01:30:31.380 --> 01:30:36.740] All right, well i'm gonna get the archive so you've given me every detail not to I don't want you to read, you know
[01:30:38.100 --> 01:30:40.500] You've gave me every detail so i'll follow it just as as
[01:30:41.220 --> 01:30:42.180] as you
[01:30:42.180 --> 01:30:43.300] stated
[01:30:43.300 --> 01:30:45.300] So i've received the education
[01:30:45.300 --> 01:30:47.380] Well, i'm about ready to go to the house
[01:30:50.660 --> 01:30:55.620] Randy you're still awake. Yeah, i'm still awake. We've got one more caller and oh really I didn't
[01:30:55.620 --> 01:30:59.780] I thought we only had four to go. Okay. No. Yeah. Well we had will call in
[01:31:00.500 --> 01:31:03.220] Um, I mean it's up to you if you want to take the call pot
[01:31:04.020 --> 01:31:08.980] I don't want to let's make this the last call because it's 1 30. So yeah, I know um
[01:31:08.980 --> 01:31:13.940] I I just if you could just quickly finish up when you were talking about those forms
[01:31:14.740 --> 01:31:17.540] To determine if somebody had been accessing
[01:31:18.500 --> 01:31:20.020] your account
[01:31:20.020 --> 01:31:26.980] Like what you were saying the 1120 is a corporate form the 1040 is a personal individual form
[01:31:30.580 --> 01:31:32.580] Uh, you're in austin as I recall
[01:31:32.580 --> 01:31:38.260] In north austin just past 183 on the right-hand side is the irs field office
[01:31:39.140 --> 01:31:41.460] I can't ever remember the name of the road, but it's
[01:31:42.740 --> 01:31:44.740] Right on i-35
[01:31:45.220 --> 01:31:47.220] Right on i-35 and uh
[01:31:49.220 --> 01:31:51.220] I think it's
[01:31:54.260 --> 01:31:59.460] Anyhow you go to that office you take a number and you take the 4506
[01:31:59.460 --> 01:32:03.700] And you take the 4506 t I think is the form
[01:32:06.260 --> 01:32:11.540] You fill it you fill one out for you as an individual and you take another form and you fill it out as an
[01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:15.380] 1120 and the only difference is the way you put your social on there
[01:32:17.380 --> 01:32:25.380] And they'll give you they'll print you up the last three years of any 1099s that have been issued against that account number and name
[01:32:25.380 --> 01:32:32.100] All right, all right that will tell you if anyone's using your credit on the corporate side that you're not aware of
[01:32:32.740 --> 01:32:38.900] And what do you do if someone has then you're going to get the funds returned to you as a source?
[01:32:41.540 --> 01:32:45.400] And you're going to pay a little tax on it, but you're going to get a check from the treasury
[01:32:45.400 --> 01:32:58.840] Check from the treasury you you you file either an 1120x or a 1040x a corrected return
[01:33:02.200 --> 01:33:07.080] And you declare on that 1099s they print out who should be paying you know
[01:33:07.080 --> 01:33:10.360] Who who had use of your funds and you want to return to the source?
[01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:13.880] And that be you
[01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:15.880] All right
[01:33:18.120 --> 01:33:22.440] All right, okay last caller quickly will from texas
[01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:27.560] Hey, thanks for uh answering all these calls and thanks for the great show and
[01:33:28.200 --> 01:33:32.200] Uh, my comment was just on traffic stuff. So pat if you wanted to go home
[01:33:33.080 --> 01:33:34.680] Thanks for all your wisdom
[01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:38.840] But uh, I wanted to thank y'all for helping before when uh, there was the case
[01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:44.280] Uh that I went to normally I would just pay the fine, but I took a witness down and um
[01:33:44.900 --> 01:33:47.640] basically, uh, they never came back with any
[01:33:48.280 --> 01:33:49.640] um
[01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:56.680] Any sort of summons or anything? So that was disposed of favorably, but one thing that travis county has been doing. Um,
[01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:59.400] I've gotten in
[01:33:59.400 --> 01:34:02.360] The mail a few months ago. I got a
[01:34:03.620 --> 01:34:06.280] Outstanding court fine from their collections bureau
[01:34:06.280 --> 01:34:09.640] And what was it was dated on a case?
[01:34:10.440 --> 01:34:12.440] back in 95
[01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:14.520] They're saying that I owe them
[01:34:15.160 --> 01:34:17.960] 95 dollars for a no seat belt
[01:34:19.480 --> 01:34:22.280] That was back then. I don't even remember what car I was driving this
[01:34:23.320 --> 01:34:28.680] Okay, wait one second. Well, uh paul it since this is a traffic issue if you want to if you want to go
[01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.000] That's fine. Thank you for staying with us for so long
[01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:34.840] Paul I don't think he took off
[01:34:39.160 --> 01:34:45.960] Okay, we'll go ahead. Okay. Go ahead. Well anyway, so I was just wondering isn't there a statute of limitations or something
[01:34:46.280 --> 01:34:49.080] On something like that. That's that old. How could you ever
[01:34:50.280 --> 01:34:52.280] Address something that I don't even remember
[01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:54.760] Anything on the case?
[01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.480] Well, once it's been adjudicated then there's not
[01:34:57.480 --> 01:35:04.040] There's a statute of limitations from the time the crime occurred and that's two years on a misdemeanor
[01:35:05.080 --> 01:35:06.760] and then once
[01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:08.280] the
[01:35:08.280 --> 01:35:10.280] Complaint has been filed
[01:35:10.360 --> 01:35:12.920] Then there's the speedy trial act which
[01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:15.800] The courts ignore at this point
[01:35:16.440 --> 01:35:19.480] But that should be 90 days. I think 60 days on a
[01:35:20.040 --> 01:35:22.460] Plasti misdemeanor, but once it's been adjudicated
[01:35:22.460 --> 01:35:27.580] Then there's no limitations
[01:35:28.940 --> 01:35:32.620] Okay, so what does that mean when it's been adjudicated on
[01:35:33.340 --> 01:35:40.380] If you've gone to court and the court is already ruled and you've been found guilty there's no
[01:35:40.940 --> 01:35:43.740] statute of limitations on the collection of the debt
[01:35:44.700 --> 01:35:47.900] Only upon the actual getting you to trial part
[01:35:47.900 --> 01:35:55.180] Uh on a misdemeanor as randy's saying they have two years to prosecute a misdemeanor from a the date the complaint is filed
[01:35:56.380 --> 01:35:58.380] Or b the date the crime occurred
[01:35:59.980 --> 01:36:04.540] So what I need to file, um for a discovery whether when they
[01:36:05.580 --> 01:36:07.580] When they did this
[01:36:07.580 --> 01:36:10.700] Did you ever go to court for a seat belt ticket? I'm sorry
[01:36:11.420 --> 01:36:13.420] Did you ever go to court for a seat belt ticket?
[01:36:13.420 --> 01:36:18.380] Uh, yeah, but I don't remember specifically on this particular case. I mean, like I said
[01:36:19.180 --> 01:36:21.420] Go to go to the court and check the court record
[01:36:22.060 --> 01:36:26.400] Okay. Yeah, if they're still sending you a bill there still has to be a court record in existence
[01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:31.580] So now that this is a collection I have to find out what the court was
[01:36:32.220 --> 01:36:37.740] Because this is in close now you go back and listen to the archive on tonight and you find out exactly what to do with
[01:36:37.740 --> 01:36:39.740] that alleged collection
[01:36:39.740 --> 01:36:44.300] All right, so
[01:36:46.300 --> 01:36:49.900] Get the answer it'll work just like the property tax thing
[01:36:50.460 --> 01:36:57.980] Basically, they're saying that they have assessed you a value of such and such and you're saying then show me where the value applies to me
[01:36:57.980 --> 01:36:59.980] To begin with and where the debt is mine
[01:37:01.500 --> 01:37:03.500] Okay
[01:37:04.300 --> 01:37:06.300] So I
[01:37:06.300 --> 01:37:10.780] I need to see where that was ruled against me and just show that ruling
[01:37:11.740 --> 01:37:16.220] Yeah, just you have to go back to court and check the court record. You might be able to check it online
[01:37:17.420 --> 01:37:20.540] Back in 95. Wow, and if they didn't do that
[01:37:21.500 --> 01:37:24.060] Uh within two years or whatever then that would have been
[01:37:25.020 --> 01:37:27.020] Well, I think yeah
[01:37:27.020 --> 01:37:31.260] They probably fall under the same as their one else on collecting a debt and that's seven years
[01:37:31.260 --> 01:37:35.820] Some debts in texas are four years
[01:37:37.500 --> 01:37:39.900] Okay, so what and it should be too late
[01:37:41.580 --> 01:37:45.660] You know, we're what under what law is that is that statute or is that
[01:37:46.540 --> 01:37:48.940] texas code of business practices
[01:37:49.740 --> 01:37:54.220] Code of business practices so I could look that up find that send that to the court
[01:37:54.220 --> 01:37:57.740] And then I can go back to court and see if I can find out what that was
[01:37:57.740 --> 01:38:01.580] So I could look that up find that and send that to the court
[01:38:02.860 --> 01:38:08.320] If I can find that well randy, you said it's never too late to go back and challenge the subject matter jurisdiction
[01:38:09.340 --> 01:38:11.340] right
[01:38:11.500 --> 01:38:14.060] That's a whole other issue and a whole other show
[01:38:15.900 --> 01:38:17.900] Okay
[01:38:19.100 --> 01:38:26.300] Well, i'm gonna just see what I can find out what I can dig up in court records on this particular issue and go from there
[01:38:26.300 --> 01:38:28.220] um
[01:38:28.220 --> 01:38:30.620] The other thing that I had was another
[01:38:31.180 --> 01:38:32.140] um
[01:38:32.140 --> 01:38:33.820] hearing that
[01:38:33.820 --> 01:38:37.500] Was held I uh had another I had a speeding ticket that
[01:38:38.540 --> 01:38:40.700] I got a court date for
[01:38:41.500 --> 01:38:44.460] And they had mailed me the court date that I was to appear
[01:38:44.620 --> 01:38:46.780] I sent them a letter told them I was going to be out of town
[01:38:47.820 --> 01:38:49.820] I never heard from them
[01:38:49.820 --> 01:38:56.940] And then after the the period of time I called and and they told me well, this has been resolved. You don't need to do anything
[01:38:58.380 --> 01:38:59.980] so
[01:38:59.980 --> 01:39:05.020] A few days ago. I got in the mail another collection saying that well you have outstanding fines
[01:39:05.980 --> 01:39:08.460] Uh, you must pay this immediately four hundred dollars
[01:39:09.020 --> 01:39:14.940] If you have not previously entered a plea of guilty or no contest, you must post a bond for five hundred dollars
[01:39:16.220 --> 01:39:17.580] and
[01:39:17.580 --> 01:39:23.100] If you go go to and if you do that, your kids can go to trial and refundable if not found guilty
[01:39:23.900 --> 01:39:25.260] Can they do that?
[01:39:25.260 --> 01:39:27.260] How long ago was this?
[01:39:27.260 --> 01:39:30.460] This was just recently this is within the time frame
[01:39:31.420 --> 01:39:36.940] I I had uh requested a jury trial. They sent me the time that I was supposed to be there
[01:39:37.340 --> 01:39:41.500] I mailed them I faxed them in the letter. They said they received it
[01:39:42.460 --> 01:39:46.380] Um that I was going to be out of town never heard anything
[01:39:46.380 --> 01:39:47.980] Never heard anything
[01:39:47.980 --> 01:39:53.260] Called back. Okay. What what's the story that it's been resolved. You don't have to do anything then I get this in the mail
[01:39:54.140 --> 01:39:56.220] Okay, well
[01:39:56.220 --> 01:40:00.060] Here's the issue first thing is you haven't gone to trial therefore
[01:40:00.140 --> 01:40:05.820] There can be no collection of an outstanding fine because there has been no fine assessed via trial
[01:40:07.100 --> 01:40:13.740] Okay, so they can send you pay notice is all they want to but you're not obligated to pay them until you've had your day
[01:40:13.740 --> 01:40:15.740] in court
[01:40:15.740 --> 01:40:16.700] um
[01:40:16.700 --> 01:40:22.620] If they are telling you did you by any chance get the name of the person that told you it's been dealt with?
[01:40:23.100 --> 01:40:24.220] No
[01:40:24.220 --> 01:40:27.980] And did you ask for clarification on what dealt with means?
[01:40:30.140 --> 01:40:32.140] I just
[01:40:32.860 --> 01:40:38.140] Okay, just not, you know, not that much I just you know, what okay then you did two things wrong
[01:40:38.460 --> 01:40:41.340] the first thing is is you you didn't understand that
[01:40:42.220 --> 01:40:44.220] anytime a government of uh
[01:40:44.220 --> 01:40:49.740] Employee speaks they don't know what they're talking about to begin with. They're speaking with a forked tongue
[01:40:50.300 --> 01:40:55.980] So always get you the position of what they're stating clarified. Okay, the second thing is
[01:40:56.780 --> 01:41:00.620] You did not press the issue to get that clarification for yourself
[01:41:02.780 --> 01:41:03.660] Okay
[01:41:03.660 --> 01:41:09.260] The you need to know these things when they tell you it's been resolved or that it's been dealt with or handled
[01:41:09.500 --> 01:41:12.300] You want to know exactly how that was done?
[01:41:12.300 --> 01:41:19.420] Don't leave anything up to guesswork don't assume anything make them explain to you exactly what they mean by it's been handled
[01:41:22.140 --> 01:41:23.180] Okay
[01:41:23.180 --> 01:41:25.500] Yeah, brandy you were going to kick something in there
[01:41:26.220 --> 01:41:32.620] Yeah, well on this one what he's probably got is a failure to appear in good chance. You got a warrant
[01:41:34.060 --> 01:41:37.020] You might want to check that you'll get an unpleasant surprise
[01:41:37.020 --> 01:41:42.620] Right, uh the letter to the court is not a motion for continuance so they'll probably just ignored it
[01:41:43.980 --> 01:41:48.700] And then they had they charged you with failure to appear and I bet there's a warrant out there
[01:41:50.060 --> 01:41:56.300] Well, I believe that's what uh, i'd have to pull up what I said in the actual document, but I believe that was a continuance
[01:41:57.020 --> 01:41:59.420] If did that be worded right to meet that?
[01:42:00.060 --> 01:42:03.180] Did you file it as a motion in court as a point is making?
[01:42:03.180 --> 01:42:07.180] Did you file it as a motion or do you just send them a letter? I sent them a letter
[01:42:07.900 --> 01:42:14.300] That's the problem. The court's not going to act upon a letter. They're going to act upon a motion to move the court
[01:42:17.660 --> 01:42:21.260] Okay, so you're saying that there's pretty much that there's probably a warrant
[01:42:22.380 --> 01:42:23.180] Yep
[01:42:23.180 --> 01:42:28.380] Yes, check and you might want to because if you get pulled over you'll get an unpleasant
[01:42:28.380 --> 01:42:36.380] Yeah, there there may very well be a warrant but the issue on this you said this is a speeding ticket, correct? Right?
[01:42:37.260 --> 01:42:44.140] And you were in what automobile when you got it in my my vehicle. Okay, who wrote it?
[01:42:46.380 --> 01:42:48.380] Uh, yeah
[01:42:50.060 --> 01:42:52.060] Say again city of austin
[01:42:52.620 --> 01:42:54.860] Okay, the city of austin is the one that wrote it
[01:42:54.860 --> 01:43:00.060] Say again city of austin. Okay, the city of austin police department wrote it, right?
[01:43:00.140 --> 01:43:04.860] Randy, we got a whole good thing to slap them with or stuff. We read out of the administrative code
[01:43:05.660 --> 01:43:06.780] Yeah
[01:43:06.780 --> 01:43:13.740] Okay, first things first is it is statutorily impossible for anybody to speed in their private vehicle in the state of texas?
[01:43:14.280 --> 01:43:16.280] Absolutely statutorily impossible
[01:43:18.060 --> 01:43:19.260] Okay
[01:43:19.260 --> 01:43:26.700] So the court and the officer is acting without subject matter jurisdiction. So you're going to file a motion to dismiss for lack of subject
[01:43:26.700 --> 01:43:28.140] matter jurisdiction
[01:43:28.140 --> 01:43:29.960] based on
[01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:37.500] 201.904 texas transportation code and chapter 5 45 transportation code prima facie speed limits
[01:43:38.780 --> 01:43:44.860] Now for those of you that wait a minute, we go ahead. We can't do this here. It's too complex what you really need to do
[01:43:45.580 --> 01:43:47.580] Come to our seminar
[01:43:47.580 --> 01:43:49.580] Yes, I was wanting to do that
[01:43:50.300 --> 01:43:52.300] You'll get what you need
[01:43:52.380 --> 01:43:54.380] To go after the judge
[01:43:54.460 --> 01:43:58.780] Including the paperwork we're discussing now, right or at least samples of it
[01:44:00.940 --> 01:44:02.940] What about this warrant
[01:44:04.700 --> 01:44:10.780] Well as randy would put it you appear before the judge because that's all the warrants going to command anyway
[01:44:11.260 --> 01:44:15.100] The warrant's going to command that you be arrested and brought before the judge
[01:44:15.100 --> 01:44:19.980] If you appear before the judge of your own volition that nullifies the warrant, really?
[01:44:21.020 --> 01:44:23.340] Yeah, then if they they throw you in jail anyway
[01:44:24.300 --> 01:44:26.300] And on the last ticket I got
[01:44:26.860 --> 01:44:27.980] uh
[01:44:27.980 --> 01:44:29.980] So it went to warrant because my
[01:44:30.780 --> 01:44:32.780] Ex-wife didn't send me the notices
[01:44:33.820 --> 01:44:36.220] uh, they arrested me for something else and
[01:44:37.260 --> 01:44:39.420] Found this warrant and they just pr'd me on it
[01:44:41.420 --> 01:44:43.340] Move on
[01:44:43.340 --> 01:44:46.220] So you go to the go to the judge if he throws you in jail
[01:44:46.940 --> 01:44:50.060] You'll stay there a few hours and then they'll pr you out
[01:44:50.620 --> 01:44:53.340] Okay, do the crap out of the out of austin?
[01:44:55.980 --> 01:45:01.500] Yeah, i'm i'm going to thoroughly enjoy after this seminar listening to the number of phone calls
[01:45:01.500 --> 01:45:06.540] We get on the show from the people of austin because this sounds like austin austin pd
[01:45:06.540 --> 01:45:12.940] Is one of the most ignorant law enforcement agencies out there that has never bothered to open a code book
[01:45:15.100 --> 01:45:19.340] Well, they put that on their ticket that you have to appear to you know, plead
[01:45:21.260 --> 01:45:26.380] It's different than like in other counties it says it's a notice to appear only on the on the ticket
[01:45:27.100 --> 01:45:29.100] But on austin it says
[01:45:29.100 --> 01:45:31.100] to appear to plead
[01:45:31.100 --> 01:45:33.100] So
[01:45:34.780 --> 01:45:37.980] Nobody has to appear anybody can appear by motion
[01:45:41.260 --> 01:45:43.260] There's just
[01:45:43.740 --> 01:45:48.460] We got lots of motions and we'll address that appear to please we can't
[01:45:49.260 --> 01:45:51.260] You appear before a magistrate
[01:45:51.580 --> 01:45:54.860] And what they'll do is want you to enter a plea with the clerk
[01:45:55.420 --> 01:45:59.340] Anyway, we've got lots of motions for that. It is too late to go through all that tonight
[01:45:59.340 --> 01:46:05.340] So just appear before the judge and then um that will satisfy the motion the warrant requirement
[01:46:06.140 --> 01:46:08.140] Be able to likely throw you in jail
[01:46:08.620 --> 01:46:10.620] And then i'll sit there for two hours and then get out
[01:46:11.340 --> 01:46:14.060] Yeah, i'll just take you before magister. They don't let you out
[01:46:19.100 --> 01:46:21.100] Or I could wait until I get pulled over
[01:46:22.700 --> 01:46:24.540] Yeah, you can do that
[01:46:24.540 --> 01:46:32.300] But either way you make sure you understand that if they must take you immediately before a magistrate if they take you straight to jail
[01:46:32.540 --> 01:46:34.380] You've still got a lawsuit
[01:46:34.380 --> 01:46:36.380] right
[01:46:36.700 --> 01:46:38.700] Do you hold do I have a date on that?
[01:46:39.660 --> 01:46:41.660] on the workshop
[01:46:42.220 --> 01:46:45.820] We're not going to set a date until we get 20 people. How many do you have?
[01:46:45.820 --> 01:46:52.940] We had nine when we started the show tonight, don't know if we got any more yet or not. Okay. Well, you got 10 now
[01:46:54.780 --> 01:46:56.780] All right, good deal
[01:46:57.020 --> 01:46:59.900] All right. Well, y'all need to get some sleep. I really appreciate your help
[01:47:01.020 --> 01:47:05.020] All right. Thank you. We'll get some more stuff. Y'all have a good night. All right. Thank you will
[01:47:05.580 --> 01:47:06.460] Bye. Bye
[01:47:06.460 --> 01:47:13.500] Good night. Good night. All right. Thank you listeners. Thank you. Paul our special guest hanging on. You're welcome
[01:47:13.500 --> 01:47:16.620] Yeah, thanks. Paul. I don't believe how long can I want it?
[01:47:18.060 --> 01:47:25.100] Yes, and we really appreciate it. Thank you so much. All righty. Well, I appreciate the opportunity, I guess
[01:47:27.900 --> 01:47:31.820] Well, absolutely we really really appreciate you've got some excellent information
[01:47:33.100 --> 01:47:37.980] Really appreciate it. All right, Randy get a hold of me next time you're back down here in Austin and we'll get together for lunch
[01:47:38.460 --> 01:47:40.460] I'll certainly do that. All righty
[01:47:40.460 --> 01:47:45.760] All righty y'all have a good evening. All right. Thank you. You too. Thanks. Bye. Good night listeners
[01:48:10.460 --> 01:48:12.460] Hey
[01:48:40.460 --> 01:48:42.460] Ah
[01:49:10.460 --> 01:49:20.140] All of my friends are with me I think we have everything we need sometimes you got to hold on to what's happening to you
[01:49:22.620 --> 01:49:28.220] It's not only when things are well it's when they're not well you can always do
[01:49:28.220 --> 01:49:39.900] Yeah, just what you have got and what it means to you
[01:49:39.900 --> 01:49:54.020] You just happen that way sometimes I feel i'm gonna fade right out into a sea