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[00:06.000 --> 00:12.520]  The Senate Thursday confirmed Sonia Sotomayor as the Supreme Court's first Hispanic Justice.
[00:12.520 --> 00:16.060]  The vote was 68 to 31.
[00:16.060 --> 00:21.080]  In the growing Blackwater worldwide scandal, company employees have sworn Blackwater was
[00:21.080 --> 00:26.300]  guilty of using child prostitutes and that owner Eric Prince knew of this activity and
[00:26.300 --> 00:27.940]  did nothing to stop it.
[00:27.940 --> 00:32.960]  The declaration described Blackwater as having young girls provide oral sex in exchange for
[00:32.960 --> 00:35.160]  one American dollar.
[00:35.160 --> 00:40.880]  In England, cases of swine flu have dropped without a major immunization plan in place.
[00:40.880 --> 00:47.240]  England recorded an estimated 30,000 cases last week, compared with 110,000 the week
[00:47.240 --> 00:48.240]  before.
[00:48.240 --> 00:53.000]  A month ago, the UK government warned that by the end of August, 100,000 people would
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[00:59.200 --> 01:04.280]  Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has signaled a shift by the US in favor of the International
[01:04.280 --> 01:10.080]  Criminal Court by the Bush administration that feared US officials could be arrested
[01:10.080 --> 01:12.040]  for alleged war crimes.
[01:12.040 --> 01:17.680]  The court set up in 2002 has pursued dictators mainly from Africa who are alleged to have
[01:17.680 --> 01:20.480]  been engaged in genocide and other war crimes.
[01:20.480 --> 01:26.800]  US government officials are currently banned from any engagement with the ICC whatsoever,
[01:26.800 --> 01:30.920]  and administration officials cautioned against expecting early entry.
[01:30.920 --> 01:35.920]  Clinton speaking at a public meeting in Kenya said, �This is a great regret that we are
[01:35.920 --> 01:41.320]  not a signatory.� Clinton and some White House and State Department officials are passionately
[01:41.320 --> 01:45.440]  in favor of joining, while others advocate caution.
[01:45.440 --> 01:50.800]  Officers of the ICC, including Britain, which is a member, have long advocated the US joining
[01:50.800 --> 01:58.200]  would immensely strengthen the body.
[01:58.200 --> 02:02.720]  Scientists report a plastic soup of waste floating in the Pacific Ocean now covers an
[02:02.720 --> 02:06.040]  area twice the size of the continental US.
[02:06.040 --> 02:10.680]  The vast expanse of debris is held in place by swirling underwater currents.
[02:10.680 --> 02:15.440]  Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the Great Pacific Garbage Patch,
[02:15.440 --> 02:20.160]  believes about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region.
[02:20.160 --> 02:25.680]  The UN Environment Program says plastic debris causes the deaths of more than a million seabirds
[02:25.680 --> 02:28.720]  and 100,000 marine mammals every year.
[02:28.720 --> 02:34.800]  Dr. Erickson said the slowly rotating mass of rubbish-laden water poses a risk to human
[02:34.800 --> 02:35.800]  health too.
[02:35.800 --> 02:40.760]  Hundreds of millions of tiny plastic pellets work their way into the sea.
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[02:46.920 --> 02:48.420]  DDT.
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[04:01.920 --> 04:09.480]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
[04:09.480 --> 04:32.920]  talk radio at its best.
[04:32.920 --> 04:59.920]  Okay, we are back.
[04:59.920 --> 05:06.560]  The Rule of Law, Rainy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, go to the website for information
[05:06.560 --> 05:09.280]  about the seminar.
[05:09.280 --> 05:14.820]  And we are here with Paul from Texas talking about the mortgage situation and how they
[05:14.820 --> 05:19.600]  are turned into security instruments and the whole fiat currency system, the fact that
[05:19.600 --> 05:25.480]  the banks don't loan you anything and on and on and on, everything that we've always thought
[05:25.480 --> 05:30.440]  to be true and from current research we've been proving it to ourselves and now Paul
[05:30.440 --> 05:35.080]  who's been in the industry for decades is telling us yes indeed that's the way it is.
[05:35.080 --> 05:38.560]  So take it from someone with the experience from the inside.
[05:38.560 --> 05:44.560]  And Paul, you were just about to explain about the bonded promissory note issue and then
[05:44.560 --> 05:45.880]  we'll go back to the call board.
[05:45.880 --> 05:49.240]  We've got Gary, Brady, and Dan, so go ahead Paul.
[05:49.240 --> 05:54.040]  The question as I recall before the break was what do you do when you send in a promissory
[05:54.040 --> 06:00.800]  note and they don't do anything with it, or they may monetize it but they don't credit
[06:00.800 --> 06:02.960]  the account and settle the account for you.
[06:02.960 --> 06:08.640]  Yeah, the question was what's the audit trail, how do you find what they did with it?
[06:08.640 --> 06:16.240]  Well, if they monetized it, it has to leave tracks, what would I look?
[06:16.240 --> 06:22.840]  You look for their, it's called a balance sheet for your account and they'll have the
[06:22.840 --> 06:31.320]  asset and the debit ledgers that the bank maintains, it's their back office bookkeeping
[06:31.320 --> 06:37.400]  is basically what it is, but the method that you would want to use to force their hand
[06:37.400 --> 06:42.240]  in my opinion would be as I say you mail all this stuff, register mail because that ensures
[06:42.240 --> 06:49.640]  the content and you have not been sent back the instrument so it's not in your possession.
[06:49.640 --> 06:59.040]  So you would draft a letter to the bank expressing your concern that the instrument that you
[06:59.040 --> 07:06.000]  tendered has been received by them based on some, I forget the green card form or 3800
[07:06.000 --> 07:12.240]  or whatever it is, and it was signed for by a specific employee of the bank, it has not
[07:12.240 --> 07:20.080]  been returned to you and you're fearful that the instrument is being used for some other
[07:20.080 --> 07:25.920]  purpose other than to settle and close your account and you're of the opinion now that
[07:25.920 --> 07:33.760]  there's some possible fraud or misapplication of funds going on and the most critical to
[07:33.760 --> 07:40.880]  all of it though is the bank is now impeding the bankruptcy by their actions.
[07:40.880 --> 07:46.960]  And the second area of sending out a letter would be in my opinion to the postal inspector
[07:46.960 --> 07:54.400]  saying it was delivered but you're not 100% sure that they haven't committed some type
[07:54.400 --> 08:00.080]  of fraud on their end with a negotiable instrument and you need the postal inspector to do an
[08:00.080 --> 08:01.080]  audit on it.
[08:01.080 --> 08:03.200]  Now Paul, wait a minute, impeding what bankruptcy?
[08:03.200 --> 08:04.200]  The 1933 bankruptcy of the United States.
[08:04.200 --> 08:05.200]  That's what I thought you meant.
[08:05.200 --> 08:06.200]  Okay go ahead.
[08:06.200 --> 08:17.560]  Anyhow, certain portions of HJR 192 have been repealed but not all of it and we have been
[08:17.560 --> 08:23.520]  bankrupt since 1933 and there's never been an end to that bankruptcy just like the Trading
[08:23.520 --> 08:30.120]  with the Enemies Act has never ended and we're all enemies of the country according to Title
[08:30.120 --> 08:36.560]  50, some footnotes in Title 50.
[08:36.560 --> 08:44.160]  Anyhow, you do all that though through a notary so that you have a third party officer of
[08:44.160 --> 08:51.080]  your state that can be deposed and actually calls a witness to what you have attempted
[08:51.080 --> 09:00.000]  to do to see that the tender that you made, I think it's 3-304, tender of payment, they
[09:00.000 --> 09:06.080]  didn't return it to you, they're obligated to discharge the bill.
[09:06.080 --> 09:15.240]  I mentioned earlier some things and one of the methods I've used to on any check that
[09:15.240 --> 09:20.720]  I endorse and deposit, I write this, this is my endorsement, deposited for credit on
[09:20.720 --> 09:28.200]  account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve notes of face value and then I sign
[09:28.200 --> 09:37.480]  that with my true name as authorized representative and then I print the all cap name as the account
[09:37.480 --> 09:49.200]  name below that and that comes out of Title 12 USC Section 411 and I think earlier today
[09:49.200 --> 09:54.760]  I mentioned something about 1933 and some of the stuff that was going on with the banks.
[09:54.760 --> 09:58.680]  Let me just take a moment if I may and cover this.
[09:58.680 --> 10:04.560]  This was a letter at the Governor's Conference held in the White House.
[10:04.560 --> 10:09.280]  This is what it says, with the new cash coming in, it is proposed through the Treasury Department
[10:09.280 --> 10:14.160]  that every bank will be authorized to open new accounts and that the money deposited
[10:14.160 --> 10:17.480]  in the new accounts can be withdrawn at any time.
[10:17.480 --> 10:27.600]  The only way in which that money can be kept absolutely safe beyond some adventure of doubt
[10:27.600 --> 10:30.240]  is by using methods to keep it safe.
[10:30.240 --> 10:34.440]  First, keeping the money in cash the way it was put in.
[10:34.440 --> 10:39.000]  Second, depositing it in Federal Reserve Bank and third, purchasing government bonds with
[10:39.000 --> 10:40.000]  it.
[10:40.000 --> 10:43.760]  Recognized, government bonds are as safe as government currency.
[10:43.760 --> 10:49.120]  They have the same credit back of them and therefore if we can persuade people all throughout
[10:49.120 --> 10:54.320]  the country when their salary checks come in to deposit them in new accounts, this is
[10:54.320 --> 10:59.680]  the important key to this, which will be held in trust and kept in one of the new forms
[10:59.680 --> 11:03.680]  I have mentioned we shall have made great progress.
[11:03.680 --> 11:08.660]  All I can say is I am very grateful for what the states have done in this emergency.
[11:08.660 --> 11:13.840]  We want it, if possible, to have a general banking situation that is to say one covering
[11:13.840 --> 11:18.720]  national banks and state banks as uniform as possible throughout the country at the
[11:18.720 --> 11:25.360]  same time we want to cooperate with all the states in bringing about that uniformity.
[11:25.360 --> 11:31.880]  Franklin Roosevelt.
[11:31.880 --> 11:35.180]  To be held in trust, folks, that is the key.
[11:35.180 --> 11:43.120]  The bank is your fiduciary and your trustee and you are the beneficiary.
[11:43.120 --> 11:52.400]  So if the bank releases money based on a levy without your permission and it is not a perfected
[11:52.400 --> 12:01.560]  lien, then the bank is culpable for violating the fiduciary duty?
[12:01.560 --> 12:07.360]  You know, under the Charter it says the Federal Reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful
[12:07.360 --> 12:09.160]  money.
[12:09.160 --> 12:16.560]  If you get into law books and English language dictionaries, what that means to me is that
[12:16.560 --> 12:20.560]  it can only mean that Federal Reserve notes are not lawful money in every sense of the
[12:20.560 --> 12:21.560]  wording.
[12:21.560 --> 12:29.360]  Wait a minute, what does it say Federal Reserve notes can be redeemed in lawful money?
[12:29.360 --> 12:34.840]  What you just said on all your silver certificates, this note is legal tender for all debts public
[12:34.840 --> 12:38.680]  and private and can be redeemed at any Federal Reserve bank.
[12:38.680 --> 12:42.160]  Now you can only redeem them for additional Federal Reserve notes.
[12:42.160 --> 12:46.200]  You used to be able to go in and get silver or gold from it.
[12:46.200 --> 12:47.920]  That stopped in 1965?
[12:47.920 --> 12:52.720]  Well, it stopped initially in 1933.
[12:52.720 --> 12:57.920]  Nixon ended it totally in 1964.
[12:57.920 --> 13:07.840]  They put a notice in every post office in 1933, turn in all your gold and silver and
[13:07.840 --> 13:14.880]  be a good American and most of the people did.
[13:14.880 --> 13:19.480]  And if they had it in a safe deposit box and they just took it.
[13:19.480 --> 13:24.960]  And then there were the ones that knew better.
[13:24.960 --> 13:25.960]  Indeed.
[13:25.960 --> 13:29.120]  Okay, we need to move along with you.
[13:29.120 --> 13:32.480]  Want to take some more calls?
[13:32.480 --> 13:33.480]  I'm ready.
[13:33.480 --> 13:34.480]  Paul, are you still there?
[13:34.480 --> 13:35.480]  Yes, ma'am.
[13:35.480 --> 13:36.480]  Okay, great.
[13:36.480 --> 13:37.480]  All right.
[13:37.480 --> 13:38.480]  Let's go to Gary in Austin.
[13:38.480 --> 13:39.480]  Hello, Paul.
[13:39.480 --> 13:40.480]  Hey, Gary.
[13:40.480 --> 13:41.480]  Thanks for calling in.
[13:41.480 --> 13:42.480]  What is your question for our guest?
[13:42.480 --> 13:45.840]  Well, number one, I want to say that you have an excellent guest.
[13:45.840 --> 13:46.840]  Oh, thank you.
[13:46.840 --> 13:51.680]  You guys, I've got 30 years of experience of doing exactly what he's done.
[13:51.680 --> 13:55.280]  He is totally right on.
[13:55.280 --> 14:04.440]  I'm a broker, I'm a real estate praiser, I've been there, I've worked with FSLIC and I've
[14:04.440 --> 14:07.360]  also worked with RTC.
[14:07.360 --> 14:08.480]  You are right on.
[14:08.480 --> 14:13.400]  My question is, let's look into the future.
[14:13.400 --> 14:23.520]  What do you think of HVCC, which is the Home Evaluation Code of Conduct, where they have
[14:23.520 --> 14:33.160]  actually taken the overseers of these mortgages that you're talking about, where you come
[14:33.160 --> 14:37.000]  out and you say that the property is worth $100,000.
[14:37.000 --> 14:43.880]  They have actually come out and made this new rule, Cuomo and Countrywide and Wells
[14:43.880 --> 14:51.760]  Fargo, where they are the overseers of this, even though they almost failed and one did,
[14:51.760 --> 15:01.480]  where they came in with this HVCC, where they now have, you have to call one of their entities
[15:01.480 --> 15:07.520]  that are most of them in New York that says, we're going to have an appraiser come out
[15:07.520 --> 15:17.040]  and appraise a piece of property for this mortgage, whereas this person, I'm going to
[15:17.040 --> 15:23.840]  throw out a number, let's say an appraisal is worth $400 typically, residential, and
[15:23.840 --> 15:29.760]  I've done up to $10 million worth of appraisals and homes.
[15:29.760 --> 15:36.560]  I know what I'm doing, but anyway, they have come out and they have said that you have
[15:36.560 --> 15:46.600]  to go through this grand person up there that knows what to do and they have employed people
[15:46.600 --> 15:54.400]  in the industry that have a provisional license, if you will, that will evaluate the property
[15:54.400 --> 15:59.760]  for, well, they're going to give them $200 or $150 or whatever that number is and they'll
[15:59.760 --> 16:06.840]  keep the rest and let's say this property is really not worth $100,000, it's only worth
[16:06.840 --> 16:14.080]  $75,000, but the provisional person really is not that versed in it and knows what's
[16:14.080 --> 16:21.320]  going on, that they can come up with this new value and the person like myself that
[16:21.320 --> 16:29.000]  has a whole lot of experience and I know what and I know how and many, many, many, I'm not
[16:29.000 --> 16:31.000]  on the other one, many, many others.
[16:31.000 --> 16:37.200]  Wait, you're kind of moving around a point, is the point you're trying to get to that
[16:37.200 --> 16:51.760]  the
[16:51.760 --> 17:00.480]  issue that's come up that as of May 1st of this year, if you're going to buy a house
[17:00.480 --> 17:05.040]  that you have to have an appraisal done on the house, which you've always had to do,
[17:05.040 --> 17:12.640]  now they have passed this law, it's not a law, it's a rule because as you know and I
[17:12.640 --> 17:20.640]  know that FDIC, excuse me, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are nothing to do with the law,
[17:20.640 --> 17:27.360]  they're private corporations and they passed this rule that says that you will have an
[17:27.360 --> 17:35.000]  appraisal that is done by a person of their selection which they use a roulette wheel
[17:35.000 --> 17:42.920]  so to speak and pick an appraiser and for $200 will do this appraisal which the good
[17:42.920 --> 17:49.560]  appraisers, they don't participate so those that are new, they do participate and they
[17:49.560 --> 17:52.280]  will put the number where you want it to be.
[17:52.280 --> 17:59.400]  So you're being, so that these experienced appraisers are being shut out, is that what
[17:59.400 --> 18:00.400]  you're saying?
[18:00.400 --> 18:04.960]  Oh absolutely, absolutely, those that know what's going on and I've been in the business,
[18:04.960 --> 18:09.740]  I've been a builder, I'm a real estate broker and I'm a real estate appraiser, I've been
[18:09.740 --> 18:16.400]  in the business for over 30 years, I've been in the banking industry and exactly what Paul
[18:16.400 --> 18:23.440]  has said, that he has not spoken one thing that is not the gospel, not one thing and
[18:23.440 --> 18:29.960]  I've listened to him since he started, it is all true and it's exactly the way he said
[18:29.960 --> 18:30.960]  it.
[18:30.960 --> 18:35.160]  So you can call this...
[18:35.160 --> 18:39.320]  I'm not that familiar with all the ins and outs of this but it's an arbitrary decision
[18:39.320 --> 18:44.400]  that they've done in some ways, I think they're trying to do this so they can lowball some
[18:44.400 --> 18:50.400]  of these appraisals in some areas of the country to protect the banks that are in a weak position
[18:50.400 --> 18:56.240]  and then maybe highball in some other areas to give them some benefit and...
[18:56.240 --> 18:59.840]  I don't think you're seeing the highball side of it, you're seeing the lowball side of it.
[18:59.840 --> 19:04.040]  I don't think you are right now but you see that, if this economy ever does start, it's
[19:04.040 --> 19:09.000]  going to be 10 years for the real estate market recovery from this but they put these things
[19:09.000 --> 19:15.080]  in place now with the idea that on the come, we're going to turn around and make it work
[19:15.080 --> 19:16.640]  the other way for us.
[19:16.640 --> 19:17.640]  But who is they?
[19:17.640 --> 19:20.280]  Well the agency that...
[19:20.280 --> 19:24.280]  There's not a mortgage in this country, not one, that doesn't eventually end up under
[19:24.280 --> 19:26.160]  some government umbrella.
[19:26.160 --> 19:33.000]  It's not government, this is the private, you know, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not
[19:33.000 --> 19:34.000]  government.
[19:34.000 --> 19:42.840]  I understand but they're oversight by some congressional committee.
[19:42.840 --> 19:47.280]  I mean if you really search into it, Paul, they're really not.
[19:47.280 --> 19:52.080]  I mean you need to go back and do a little bit of study and a little bit of research.
[19:52.080 --> 19:54.840]  Look who appoints their boards of directors.
[19:54.840 --> 19:58.760]  How many of them came out of Clinton's White House that went to work and took millions
[19:58.760 --> 20:00.700]  of dollars in salary?
[20:00.700 --> 20:06.720]  The board of directors are from a list of people.
[20:06.720 --> 20:11.360]  They're not the general population saying, let's give me the smartest guy in the world
[20:11.360 --> 20:13.080]  that we're going to head this thing.
[20:13.080 --> 20:14.080]  They're not that.
[20:14.080 --> 20:21.280]  They're saying, pick one of these five and they're all within that same realm.
[20:21.280 --> 20:32.040]  The economy, we're getting into a very, very, very, very shaky area right now, very shaky
[20:32.040 --> 20:36.560]  as far as mortgages goes, as far as China goes.
[20:36.560 --> 20:42.120]  They have been buying billions of dollars at this.
[20:42.120 --> 20:43.120]  Now there's...
[20:43.120 --> 20:44.120]  They aren't anymore.
[20:44.120 --> 20:47.540]  I know they're selling it.
[20:47.540 --> 20:51.200]  Now all of a sudden there's no work there.
[20:51.200 --> 20:58.400]  They'll be coming back to the homeowner way back when and said, well, the dollar's been
[20:58.400 --> 20:59.400]  devaluated.
[20:59.400 --> 21:05.160]  It's not worth what we said you own, so you owe more.
[21:05.160 --> 21:06.160]  That's coming.
[21:06.160 --> 21:07.160]  Right.
[21:07.160 --> 21:16.720]  Now I do things like forensic stuff where there was an appraisal made on this property.
[21:16.720 --> 21:24.840]  It was $100,000 and I go back and I say, look, let's really look at the real market, substantiate
[21:24.840 --> 21:26.880]  exactly what took place.
[21:26.880 --> 21:32.600]  Was it really worth $100,000 at this individual that had very little experience that said
[21:32.600 --> 21:34.400]  it was worth?
[21:34.400 --> 21:42.000]  Now that is the question and it's going to come to where it's going to buy everyone.
[21:42.000 --> 21:44.560]  That's interesting.
[21:44.560 --> 21:48.360]  I have to admit to you that I haven't...
[21:48.360 --> 21:52.440]  Most of the appraisal work that I was ever involved in was on commercial properties and
[21:52.440 --> 21:56.600]  it was always being done when we were putting together...
[21:56.600 --> 22:03.880]  I'm sure you're familiar with the term triple net lease, but back in the early 80s, late
[22:03.880 --> 22:10.600]  70s, early 80s, a lot of companies were putting their properties into triple net lease programs
[22:10.600 --> 22:17.120]  and we would find an appraiser, we would make the deals and then we'd find the appraiser
[22:17.120 --> 22:22.120]  to make his numbers fit the deal.
[22:22.120 --> 22:23.840]  Back then it was done for tax reasons.
[22:23.840 --> 22:24.840]  It wasn't done for...
[22:24.840 --> 22:26.680]  I mean it was all done to...
[22:26.680 --> 22:30.840]  You get three to one, four to one write-offs.
[22:30.840 --> 22:32.520]  You can sell that.
[22:32.520 --> 22:39.800]  Corpus Christi National Bank is known as 500 North Shoreline, that's the name of the partnership.
[22:39.800 --> 22:45.880]  Each unit was $150,000 or 35 units of it.
[22:45.880 --> 22:49.480]  That thing was sold seven times in five years.
[22:49.480 --> 22:52.800]  I'm very familiar with that transaction, very familiar.
[22:52.800 --> 22:57.880]  I'm also familiar with the San Antonio Savings Loans, same type scenario.
[22:57.880 --> 23:03.280]  Well EF Hutton and companies who integrated resources, Equity Corporation were the two
[23:03.280 --> 23:08.440]  that put that deal together and I probably sold the most units of anybody in the industry
[23:08.440 --> 23:12.360]  back then on that deal.
[23:12.360 --> 23:15.840]  It was done...
[23:15.840 --> 23:17.640]  I don't know what the current market is.
[23:17.640 --> 23:22.080]  The thing I've heard that's kind of scary to me is when you're trying to sell your house
[23:22.080 --> 23:25.200]  with all these new codes that they've come up with and you've got to bring everything
[23:25.200 --> 23:29.840]  up to code, how is anybody going to sell anything?
[23:29.840 --> 23:35.360]  Well the law is not that you bring it up to code, it's just you acknowledge that it's
[23:35.360 --> 23:38.360]  not up to code.
[23:38.360 --> 23:43.640]  It's not really a law, I guess it's more of a...
[23:43.640 --> 23:48.280]  One of the industry rules and practices or something.
[23:48.280 --> 23:49.280]  Right.
[23:49.280 --> 23:50.280]  It's not really a law.
[23:50.280 --> 23:54.640]  You raised an issue earlier I'd like to address.
[23:54.640 --> 23:55.640]  Sure.
[23:55.640 --> 24:00.760]  You said you did forensic analysis on the...
[24:00.760 --> 24:01.760]  Properties.
[24:01.760 --> 24:04.760]  Do you still do that?
[24:04.760 --> 24:05.760]  On the appraisal.
[24:05.760 --> 24:07.160]  Yeah, I do.
[24:07.160 --> 24:13.560]  I don't like to do them because I always wind up in court, but that's okay.
[24:13.560 --> 24:18.240]  They're a little bit costly, but if you think that you pay too much for your house, yes
[24:18.240 --> 24:21.040]  I do do those.
[24:21.040 --> 24:23.040]  I've got 30 years worth of data.
[24:23.040 --> 24:26.120]  Can you send me an email?
[24:26.120 --> 24:31.120]  You know who I am.
[24:31.120 --> 24:34.120]  Yes I will send you an email.
[24:34.120 --> 24:35.120]  Is that Gary?
[24:35.120 --> 24:36.120]  I am that Gary.
[24:36.120 --> 24:37.120]  Of course.
[24:37.120 --> 24:40.120]  What you can offer.
[24:40.120 --> 24:42.120]  Yes, I am that Gary.
[24:42.120 --> 24:46.120]  I was thinking at first, but then you sounded different.
[24:46.120 --> 24:47.120]  Okay, good.
[24:47.120 --> 24:55.280]  Well, I was in the definitive mode the time we spoke before, and now I'm trying to reinforce
[24:55.280 --> 25:02.440]  exactly what Paul's saying, and he is totally correct, but I'm trying to look into the future
[25:02.440 --> 25:05.880]  of what's going to happen.
[25:05.880 --> 25:07.240]  And it's going to happen.
[25:07.240 --> 25:15.560]  You're going to see the banks do the same thing that the savings and loans did.
[25:15.560 --> 25:17.680]  And it's going to be on whose back?
[25:17.680 --> 25:20.080]  Yours and mine.
[25:20.080 --> 25:26.800]  And because they couldn't get it fast enough, they came up with this new rule from Cuomo,
[25:26.800 --> 25:33.320]  which is absurd, and the rules that they came up with, well, let's get the guys that know
[25:33.320 --> 25:37.640]  what they're doing, let's get them out of the equation, because number one, I'm not
[25:37.640 --> 25:45.720]  doing an appraisal that I do normally for $400 for $200 and give $200 to a country-wide
[25:45.720 --> 25:47.280]  mortgage or whomever that might be.
[25:47.280 --> 25:48.480]  I'm not going to do it.
[25:48.480 --> 25:52.720]  I'm going to go fishing.
[25:52.720 --> 25:56.440]  That's it in a nutshell, and I am not the only one.
[25:56.440 --> 26:00.880]  All the good appraisers are doing the same thing.
[26:00.880 --> 26:05.800]  They're changing professions, and you're getting inexperienced appraisers that know nothing
[26:05.800 --> 26:11.320]  more than, let's do what they told us to do.
[26:11.320 --> 26:15.200]  Okay, thanks for your call.
[26:15.200 --> 26:16.200]  That's an interesting aspect.
[26:16.200 --> 26:17.200]  Yes, thanks, Gary.
[26:17.200 --> 26:22.280]  I hadn't thought about a forensic analysis of the appraisal.
[26:22.280 --> 26:23.280]  Oh, absolutely.
[26:23.280 --> 26:24.280]  Absolutely.
[26:24.280 --> 26:26.160]  I can go back 30 years.
[26:26.160 --> 26:31.280]  I've done appraisals back in 1925.
[26:31.280 --> 26:32.280]  All you need is data.
[26:32.280 --> 26:36.800]  If you've got the data, I don't need to see the property as long as I have a description
[26:36.800 --> 26:37.800]  of what it is.
[26:37.800 --> 26:38.800]  Uh-oh.
[26:38.800 --> 26:39.800]  Oh, you weren't there.
[26:39.800 --> 26:40.800]  You're going to get a forensic.
[26:40.800 --> 26:41.800]  Oh, okay.
[26:41.800 --> 26:42.800]  You confused me.
[26:42.800 --> 26:43.800]  I was thinking.
[26:43.800 --> 26:44.800]  I didn't think he was that old.
[26:44.800 --> 26:45.800]  Yes.
[26:45.800 --> 26:46.800]  Well, Gary, listen.
[26:46.800 --> 26:55.800]  Before we let you go, we've got a board full of callers, but before we let you go, I wanted
[26:55.800 --> 26:56.800]  to ask you one question.
[26:56.800 --> 27:03.680]  Talking about doing forensic analysis of the appraisal, there's a bit of a shenanigans
[27:03.680 --> 27:10.360]  that TCAT has been pulling over the last few years, especially with neighborhoods that
[27:10.360 --> 27:16.760]  they like to put on a chopping block, as I would say, where what they did with our neighborhood,
[27:16.760 --> 27:19.560]  actually, they did this with many neighborhoods in Austin.
[27:19.560 --> 27:27.200]  In one year, they reversed the appraisal value of the building and the land.
[27:27.200 --> 27:28.200]  Okay?
[27:28.200 --> 27:35.040]  Say, for example, you would have a home or a piece of property that the overall property
[27:35.040 --> 27:42.480]  value being appraised at, say, $200,000, and normally, the ratio would be about a third
[27:42.480 --> 27:47.800]  or a quarter of that would be the land value, and the rest would be the building value.
[27:47.800 --> 27:53.840]  You would steady be going along over the years, slowly increasing in value, and one year,
[27:53.840 --> 27:59.840]  it would be the land's $50,000, and the building is $150,000, and then all of a sudden, the
[27:59.840 --> 28:05.920]  next year, across the whole neighborhood, across many neighborhoods, you'd have, well,
[28:05.920 --> 28:10.280]  now all of a sudden, the land is worth $150,000, and the building is worth $50,000.
[28:10.280 --> 28:11.280]  Okay?
[28:11.280 --> 28:15.080]  And we thought it was a typo, and a lot of people in our neighborhood thought it was
[28:15.080 --> 28:16.080]  a typo.
[28:16.080 --> 28:21.200]  But it turns out, they just all of a sudden decided, well, you know, we just, we haven't
[28:21.200 --> 28:26.280]  been increasing the land value quickly enough, so now we're just going to do this thing.
[28:26.280 --> 28:34.160]  And because of the rules of appraisal protesting, you can only, in Texas, you can only protest
[28:34.160 --> 28:36.240]  the overall property value.
[28:36.240 --> 28:42.760]  You cannot protest, there's no administrative remedies, et cetera, to protest the individual
[28:42.760 --> 28:46.160]  breakdown between the land value and the building value.
[28:46.160 --> 28:47.160]  Okay?
[28:47.160 --> 28:50.440]  And so there's no remedies to say, wait a minute, look here, what's the deal?
[28:50.440 --> 28:54.600]  They just say, well, we're just doing this because we just haven't been increasing the
[28:54.600 --> 28:55.600]  land value enough.
[28:55.600 --> 29:03.080]  And all it is is a bait to developers to come in and buy up properties, knock down the buildings,
[29:03.080 --> 29:07.160]  and build brand new buildings so they can turn around and sell the whole piece of property
[29:07.160 --> 29:09.760]  for like $350,000 or whatever.
[29:09.760 --> 29:17.000]  And also it comes out that if your property has an appraisal breakdown where the building
[29:17.000 --> 29:24.560]  is worth less than the land, well, now you can't, a mortgage company will not issue a
[29:24.560 --> 29:26.800]  loan to a buyer.
[29:26.800 --> 29:33.920]  And so the only people who can buy these properties with this kind of breakdown are developers
[29:33.920 --> 29:36.080]  who just can pay for it out of pocket.
[29:36.080 --> 29:41.160]  And I think that that is, something is wrong with that.
[29:41.160 --> 29:43.040]  Something has to be illegal about that.
[29:43.040 --> 29:45.800]  And so I wondered what your take on that whole thing is.
[29:45.800 --> 29:49.360]  Have you ever seen this before and what you would suggest is a remedy for that sort of
[29:49.360 --> 29:50.360]  thing?
[29:50.360 --> 29:55.600]  Yes, I've seen it every day, yes, and I address it quite often.
[29:55.600 --> 30:00.880]  The thing about what they did, and I'm assuming we're talking, I'm going to throw out one,
[30:00.880 --> 30:05.000]  I'm going to throw out Travis County because this is exactly where we're talking about.
[30:05.000 --> 30:06.720]  Yes, TCAD, yes.
[30:06.720 --> 30:12.600]  Travis County, what they had done is you don't depreciate land.
[30:12.600 --> 30:14.160]  Land is there, there it is.
[30:14.160 --> 30:17.000]  It either goes up in value or it goes down in value.
[30:17.000 --> 30:18.880]  It does not depreciate.
[30:18.880 --> 30:23.440]  The house is there and it does depreciate if you don't take care of it.
[30:23.440 --> 30:25.320]  It does depreciate anyway.
[30:25.320 --> 30:33.080]  But at any rate, what they've done, they did not, they kept developers, if you really want
[30:33.080 --> 30:38.400]  to get into it, they kept the developers down so that when the developers come in, they
[30:38.400 --> 30:45.280]  say, we've got 10 lots and we don't want to tax you too much on these 10 lots so we're
[30:45.280 --> 30:50.080]  going to keep the value of the lot down to $10,000 and I'm going to throw that number
[30:50.080 --> 30:56.120]  out there, but $10,000 when in actuality the land is worth $35,000.
[30:56.120 --> 31:01.240]  So they sell the house and the house is sold for $100,000 and they carry this over the
[31:01.240 --> 31:02.440]  years.
[31:02.440 --> 31:06.120]  They add a little bit to the land but not really.
[31:06.120 --> 31:12.760]  They go on a broad brush approach where they give you 3% per year, 5%, whatever that number
[31:12.760 --> 31:19.640]  would be, depending on how much money they need, if you will, they back into these numbers.
[31:19.640 --> 31:27.000]  If they need $10 billion or millions or whatever that is, they back into these numbers and
[31:27.000 --> 31:30.840]  say, well, we need this much and we've got this much property out there, well, let's
[31:30.840 --> 31:35.920]  come back in here and they back in and they send these monkeys out there to substantiate
[31:35.920 --> 31:41.880]  what they're doing and when in actuality if you really go into paired analysis and that's
[31:41.880 --> 31:46.720]  what it's all about, you go back into paired analysis and you say, that lot is worth that
[31:46.720 --> 31:47.720]  much money.
[31:47.720 --> 31:49.840]  I don't care if there's nothing on it.
[31:49.840 --> 31:56.400]  That lot is worth that much money and this goes back into insurance.
[31:56.400 --> 31:58.120]  We're getting into the big picture.
[31:58.120 --> 31:59.720]  You're going back to insurance.
[31:59.720 --> 32:01.000]  Insurance wants to sell things.
[32:01.000 --> 32:05.280]  They sell things based on total dollar, subtract the land.
[32:05.280 --> 32:12.000]  They want the land value as low as they can get it because you can't insure land.
[32:12.000 --> 32:18.560]  If we can keep the land values down at $10,000, we can insure the house for $80,000 or $90,000
[32:18.560 --> 32:24.120]  and the people have to pay the money but really, the land is worth $30,000, the houses were
[32:24.120 --> 32:29.920]  $70,000, guess who got the money?
[32:29.920 --> 32:36.640]  That's what takes place and nobody wants to hear the truth.
[32:36.640 --> 32:42.360]  So how do you attack the issue then?
[32:42.360 --> 32:46.840]  It would take me a lot of time to explain the issue to you and I'd be glad to do that
[32:46.840 --> 32:47.840]  off-radio.
[32:47.840 --> 32:49.720]  Yeah, maybe we could do that on another show.
[32:49.720 --> 32:51.640]  Because it's going to get very, very technical.
[32:51.640 --> 32:55.360]  Okay, we won't do that at your time.
[32:55.360 --> 32:56.360]  You give me a call.
[32:56.360 --> 32:58.400]  I will explain all that to you.
[32:58.400 --> 32:59.400]  Right.
[32:59.400 --> 33:06.040]  We're mainly just looking for a remedy because you can't get anybody who sets up companies
[33:06.040 --> 33:12.120]  to help people fight appraisals or property tax protesters won't help you because they
[33:12.120 --> 33:14.600]  go, well, what are you complaining about?
[33:14.600 --> 33:17.200]  Your property value didn't increase that much.
[33:17.200 --> 33:18.200]  What's the big deal?
[33:18.200 --> 33:24.720]  The big deal is they've depreciated the value of my building by two-thirds in one year and
[33:24.720 --> 33:30.000]  increased the appraisal value of the land by triple in one year.
[33:30.000 --> 33:33.240]  That's what the big deal is.
[33:33.240 --> 33:38.160]  If you want to protest your taxes, number one, you got to go through discovery.
[33:38.160 --> 33:42.680]  You got to say, what are you using to base my value?
[33:42.680 --> 33:46.000]  They have to, by law, tell you what those buildings are.
[33:46.000 --> 33:50.920]  Now, you go look at those buildings, Tommy, as an individual, you go and say, well, that
[33:50.920 --> 33:51.920]  house is worth $100,000.
[33:51.920 --> 33:53.800]  Well, it's all broken down.
[33:53.800 --> 33:56.240]  This note here is worth $200,000.
[33:56.240 --> 33:57.240]  It's not broken down.
[33:57.240 --> 33:58.240]  Mine's in the middle.
[33:58.240 --> 34:00.720]  It should be $150,000, but you got me $175,000.
[34:00.720 --> 34:01.720]  What's the deal?
[34:01.720 --> 34:06.440]  See, again, we don't have a problem with what the overall property value is that they're
[34:06.440 --> 34:07.440]  appraising.
[34:07.440 --> 34:12.640]  We have a problem with how they're breaking down what of that they're saying the building
[34:12.640 --> 34:17.240]  is worth, and what of that they're saying the land is worth.
[34:17.240 --> 34:19.760]  You cannot protest the individual breakdown.
[34:19.760 --> 34:23.720]  You can only protest the overall property value.
[34:23.720 --> 34:28.080]  That's in state law, so they're pulling some shenanigans here.
[34:28.080 --> 34:29.080]  Yes, ma'am.
[34:29.080 --> 34:30.080]  Absolutely, they are.
[34:30.080 --> 34:36.640]  The only way, and you really can't protest it, but you can, is you have to get what's
[34:36.640 --> 34:42.200]  called paired analysis on that lot based on another one that's exactly like yours as much
[34:42.200 --> 34:49.440]  as close as you can possibly can, and then once you've done that, then you can attack
[34:49.440 --> 34:50.440]  them.
[34:50.440 --> 34:51.440]  All right.
[34:51.440 --> 34:53.320]  Well, listen, maybe we should discuss that another time because the caller is building
[34:53.320 --> 34:54.320]  up for a guest.
[34:54.320 --> 34:55.320]  All right.
[34:55.320 --> 34:56.320]  Thank you, Gary.
[34:56.320 --> 34:57.320]  Paul, thank you.
[34:57.320 --> 35:00.440]  You're right on, buddy, and I do appreciate what you said.
[35:00.440 --> 35:01.960]  Well, thank you, Gary.
[35:01.960 --> 35:02.960]  Bye.
[35:02.960 --> 35:03.960]  Thank you, Paul.
[35:03.960 --> 35:04.960]  Bye-bye.
[35:04.960 --> 35:05.960]  Thank you, Gary.
[35:05.960 --> 35:07.320]  Okay, we're going to go now to Jim in New Hampshire, first time caller.
[35:07.320 --> 35:08.480]  Jim, thanks for calling in.
[35:08.480 --> 35:10.480]  What is your question for our guest?
[35:10.480 --> 35:14.120]  Hi, I'm impressed with your knowledge, Paul, by the way.
[35:14.120 --> 35:15.120]  Well...
[35:15.120 --> 35:16.120]  The question...
[35:16.120 --> 35:17.120]  I'm sorry.
[35:17.120 --> 35:20.120]  I'm going to tell you something, Dan.
[35:20.120 --> 35:22.200]  I've never had an original thought.
[35:22.200 --> 35:24.480]  Everything I know, I've stolen from somebody else.
[35:24.480 --> 35:25.480]  Yeah.
[35:25.480 --> 35:29.140]  I wanted to ask you a couple of things.
[35:29.140 --> 35:34.560]  You had mentioned the 1099A's on the properties.
[35:34.560 --> 35:36.680]  I'm assuming you're aware of the 4506T's.
[35:36.680 --> 35:37.680]  Right.
[35:37.680 --> 35:43.000]  Which is an IRS form where people can go in and find out if anybody's done 1099A's on
[35:43.000 --> 35:44.000]  them.
[35:44.000 --> 35:45.000]  Right.
[35:45.000 --> 35:49.000]  And the 4506A's, which is the SS5 information.
[35:49.000 --> 35:50.000]  Right.
[35:50.000 --> 35:51.000]  I have a question.
[35:51.000 --> 35:52.000]  Go ahead.
[35:52.000 --> 36:01.000]  When you do your 1099A, do you do it as your individual, or do you do it as your corporation?
[36:01.000 --> 36:04.280]  Well, when you say corporation, you're talking about the all-upper case name?
[36:04.280 --> 36:09.360]  No, do you ask for a 1040 or a 1120?
[36:09.360 --> 36:10.360]  On 4506T?
[36:10.360 --> 36:11.360]  Right.
[36:11.360 --> 36:15.440]  I'm looking for 1099's to see if...
[36:15.440 --> 36:19.880]  I understand that, but you see, you have two accounts with them.
[36:19.880 --> 36:26.120]  You have your account, which is filed on a 1040, and then you have anybody else's account
[36:26.120 --> 36:31.760]  that's using your account, which would file it on 1120, that you probably may not even
[36:31.760 --> 36:32.760]  know about.
[36:32.760 --> 36:44.360]  So when you go in the first time, you fill out the T-farm, and you do it as your individual
[36:44.360 --> 36:45.360]  capacity.
[36:45.360 --> 36:50.800]  You put your social down with three digits, a dash, two digits, and then a dash, and four
[36:50.800 --> 36:51.800]  digits.
[36:51.800 --> 36:52.800]  And you get the...
[36:52.800 --> 36:53.800]  They'll give you the last three years.
[36:53.800 --> 36:59.640]  You can go into an IRS regional office and take a number and sit there until they call
[36:59.640 --> 37:02.480]  your number, and you can get that printed out while you're there.
[37:02.480 --> 37:03.480]  Yeah.
[37:03.480 --> 37:07.160]  Well, back a couple days later, with the same farm filled out, only this time you're asking
[37:07.160 --> 37:12.400]  for an 1120, and when you get your social security number on there, now you're going
[37:12.400 --> 37:17.520]  to call it a TIN, and you're going to put two digits and a dash, and then the remaining
[37:17.520 --> 37:20.920]  seven in a consecutive line.
[37:20.920 --> 37:26.680]  And get them to give you the 1120, and your birthplace on that farm is Ogden, Utah, if
[37:26.680 --> 37:30.040]  they should ask.
[37:30.040 --> 37:34.360]  And that will tell you if anybody has been using your credit without your knowledge through
[37:34.360 --> 37:36.000]  the corporate scrawny.
[37:36.000 --> 37:40.800]  But I hope I didn't interrupt your question.
[37:40.800 --> 37:41.800]  That's...
[37:41.800 --> 37:42.800]  No.
[37:42.800 --> 37:43.800]  No.
[37:43.800 --> 37:44.800]  That was fine.
[37:44.800 --> 37:47.240]  And I didn't get the whole call.
[37:47.240 --> 37:49.440]  Did you announce a website that you have?
[37:49.440 --> 37:50.440]  No.
[37:50.440 --> 37:51.920]  I don't have a website.
[37:51.920 --> 38:00.960]  I'm a semi-retired general securities principal that did this stuff from 1970 forward.
[38:00.960 --> 38:01.960]  Wow.
[38:01.960 --> 38:02.960]  I'm just...
[38:02.960 --> 38:08.320]  I met Randy, and we visited about at a time or two, and he asked me, would I come on and
[38:08.320 --> 38:09.960]  share some of what I know?
[38:09.960 --> 38:10.960]  Yeah.
[38:10.960 --> 38:14.200]  I'm impressed with your knowledge.
[38:14.200 --> 38:18.120]  And I also heard people talking about liens, and I was wondering, are you familiar with
[38:18.120 --> 38:20.960]  the IRA Mitchell information?
[38:20.960 --> 38:21.960]  Yes, I am.
[38:21.960 --> 38:22.960]  Oh, okay.
[38:22.960 --> 38:30.440]  I've read all the depositions that they've put out thus far, and I think it's quite striking
[38:30.440 --> 38:33.440]  what she's had to say.
[38:33.440 --> 38:34.440]  Yeah, really.
[38:34.440 --> 38:46.240]  And the other one that I was wondering about is the CFIs, where the IRS is using 26 CFI
[38:46.240 --> 38:55.200]  points, 0.6331 for the liens, and the 301 regulations belong to the government Chrysler
[38:55.200 --> 38:56.200]  v. Brown.
[38:56.200 --> 38:57.200]  Right.
[38:57.200 --> 38:59.200]  That's a 1979 Supreme Court case.
[38:59.200 --> 39:05.880]  The easiest way I've found to stop that is to do a UCC 11.
[39:05.880 --> 39:06.880]  Right.
[39:06.880 --> 39:11.680]  And see if there's been a perfected lien put on you by the IRS.
[39:11.680 --> 39:19.800]  Once that's not been done, then you do an estoppel, and you get that county clerk to
[39:19.800 --> 39:27.960]  remove that lien, and you bring a counter-complaint against that agent, you contact the Criminal
[39:27.960 --> 39:37.160]  Investigation Division in Covington, I think it's Covington, Kentucky, and you sick them
[39:37.160 --> 39:41.600]  on that agent.
[39:41.600 --> 39:46.160]  One other question I wanted to ask you, because I heard you mention promissory notes.
[39:46.160 --> 39:50.640]  On the promissory notes that these people are writing, what is your position about having
[39:50.640 --> 39:58.320]  those funded through something like a Treasury chargeback?
[39:58.320 --> 40:01.520]  I have issued some, and I've gotten away from them.
[40:01.520 --> 40:04.280]  I'm using money orders.
[40:04.280 --> 40:05.720]  Okay.
[40:05.720 --> 40:17.920]  Are you familiar, or you ever, I maybe shouldn't say this, a competing radio show, there's
[40:17.920 --> 40:27.800]  some good information about how to scope out the instruments that they send you to determine
[40:27.800 --> 40:33.280]  which one has a Q-sub number on it, and you simply take that Q-sub number, because that's
[40:33.280 --> 40:40.040]  their bond against you, and you file a money order for the amount they claim that you owe
[40:40.040 --> 40:45.760]  with the proper endorsement and the proper lodge, and you send it back to them, to the
[40:45.760 --> 40:48.680]  very place that it came from.
[40:48.680 --> 40:51.320]  You're talking about accepting for value, and...
[40:51.320 --> 40:52.320]  No.
[40:52.320 --> 40:53.320]  No, sir, I'm not.
[40:53.320 --> 40:55.840]  Well, I guess I am, in a way, yes, I am.
[40:55.840 --> 40:56.840]  You're right.
[40:56.840 --> 41:02.720]  Yeah, because when you say money order, you're turning it over and giving them something
[41:02.720 --> 41:08.440]  to charge it against, like your TIN number or your Social Security.
[41:08.440 --> 41:10.880]  No.
[41:10.880 --> 41:17.120]  When they send you out of form, let's say they send you a CP504, and right in the big
[41:17.120 --> 41:21.760]  middle of it says, Urgent, we intend to levy on certain assets.
[41:21.760 --> 41:24.400]  Please respond now.
[41:24.400 --> 41:31.400]  If you look at the bottom of that, it's generally out of Ogden, Utah, and there's a skin of
[41:31.400 --> 41:38.360]  it, there's a scan number across the very bottom of it, like you see in the grocery
[41:38.360 --> 41:39.360]  store.
[41:39.360 --> 41:40.360]  Right.
[41:40.360 --> 41:46.360]  That scan number is basically your CUSIP on that instrument.
[41:46.360 --> 41:49.760]  But isn't the bottom of that form actually a check?
[41:49.760 --> 41:53.240]  That's your coupon, yes, that's exactly what it is, and that's where you write the money
[41:53.240 --> 41:54.240]  order.
[41:54.240 --> 41:55.240]  Okay.
[41:55.240 --> 41:56.240]  Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.
[41:56.240 --> 41:57.240]  Yeah.
[41:57.240 --> 41:58.240]  No, I agree.
[41:58.240 --> 42:03.120]  I understand what you're saying.
[42:03.120 --> 42:09.560]  Across the top of it, you accept and return for assessed value, closure and settlement,
[42:09.560 --> 42:14.600]  and put your name and your TIN number and your authorized, and at the bottom you write
[42:14.600 --> 42:15.600]  the money order.
[42:15.600 --> 42:16.600]  Right.
[42:16.600 --> 42:22.200]  Sign it for the amount that they say, and be sure you do it in handwriting.
[42:22.200 --> 42:23.880]  Don't do it typing it.
[42:23.880 --> 42:29.520]  Now, when you're sending that into the IRS, are you sending a 1040V with it?
[42:29.520 --> 42:34.480]  You're darn right I am, because that's the voucher that gets them the authority to get
[42:34.480 --> 42:35.480]  it paid.
[42:35.480 --> 42:36.480]  Yeah.
[42:36.480 --> 42:37.920]  Look, I didn't hear it.
[42:37.920 --> 42:38.920]  Did you say you were?
[42:38.920 --> 42:39.920]  Yes, I am.
[42:39.920 --> 42:40.920]  Oh, okay.
[42:40.920 --> 42:41.920]  I do.
[42:41.920 --> 42:42.920]  Yeah.
[42:42.920 --> 42:51.720]  So, and on something where they don't indicate what the amount is, are you sending in a 1040ES?
[42:51.720 --> 42:56.640]  I've never gotten anything if they haven't indicated an amount.
[42:56.640 --> 42:59.760]  If they don't indicate an amount, how do you know what to pay?
[42:59.760 --> 43:00.760]  Yeah.
[43:00.760 --> 43:08.760]  Well, that's why we've been using the 1040ESs on that, because that's an estimated tax.
[43:08.760 --> 43:15.120]  Well, you have to assess yourself.
[43:15.120 --> 43:17.640]  They can't assess you.
[43:17.640 --> 43:24.800]  So you're letting them self-assess you without any... I mean, they didn't give you a dollar
[43:24.800 --> 43:29.560]  amount, so you don't... There has been no assessment without an assessment, and the
[43:29.560 --> 43:35.040]  only way they can legally assess you is with a 23C.
[43:35.040 --> 43:36.040]  They don't use them anymore.
[43:36.040 --> 43:38.080]  They haven't used them in years.
[43:38.080 --> 43:41.880]  Well, on that issue, there aren't any more districts.
[43:41.880 --> 43:43.360]  I'm sure you saw that.
[43:43.360 --> 43:46.960]  There aren't any more internal revenue districts?
[43:46.960 --> 43:54.200]  No, revenue rule 150 or 151 is what eliminated the revenue districts.
[43:54.200 --> 43:55.200]  Right.
[43:55.200 --> 43:56.200]  Yeah.
[43:56.200 --> 43:57.200]  Pretty knowledgeable.
[43:57.200 --> 44:01.440]  Well, I appreciate the information.
[44:01.440 --> 44:03.440]  Is there a way to get in touch with you?
[44:03.440 --> 44:04.440]  No.
[44:04.440 --> 44:14.720]  I'm sorry, but no, I don't do this for a living.
[44:14.720 --> 44:15.720]  You should.
[44:15.720 --> 44:17.680]  I appreciate it.
[44:17.680 --> 44:18.680]  Thank you.
[44:18.680 --> 44:19.680]  Okay.
[44:19.680 --> 44:20.680]  Have a good evening.
[44:20.680 --> 44:21.680]  Yeah.
[44:21.680 --> 44:22.680]  You too.
[44:22.680 --> 44:23.680]  Take care.
[44:23.680 --> 44:24.680]  Okay, Paul.
[44:24.680 --> 44:27.360]  I mean, if you want to mention that at the radio show, that's fine.
[44:27.360 --> 44:28.360]  We're... You know.
[44:28.360 --> 44:29.360]  Well, that's okay.
[44:29.360 --> 44:30.360]  Okay.
[44:30.360 --> 44:31.360]  All right.
[44:31.360 --> 44:34.640]  We're going to... It's not odd at the same time you are.
[44:34.640 --> 44:35.640]  What's that?
[44:35.640 --> 44:36.640]  It's odd at the same time we are?
[44:36.640 --> 44:39.960]  It's not a direct competitor to you guys.
[44:39.960 --> 44:40.960]  Okay.
[44:40.960 --> 44:44.880]  Well, we're not real hardcore about that.
[44:44.880 --> 44:47.120]  We just want to get good information out.
[44:47.120 --> 44:48.120]  Okay.
[44:48.120 --> 44:52.400]  Now, we are going to go to Dan in Connecticut.
[44:52.400 --> 44:54.400]  We've got Rick and David coming up next.
[44:54.400 --> 44:56.400]  Dan's been holding for a long time.
[44:56.400 --> 44:57.400]  Dan, thank you for calling in.
[44:57.400 --> 44:59.400]  What's your question for our guests?
[44:59.400 --> 45:00.400]  Oh, nothing much.
[45:00.400 --> 45:05.640]  I just first wanted to say, hey, this is one of the best shows I've ever heard, by the
[45:05.640 --> 45:06.640]  way.
[45:06.640 --> 45:09.480]  I can tell your guests that, no, they aren't jealous at all.
[45:09.480 --> 45:14.960]  I used to come on and plug my former evil rival radio network show.
[45:14.960 --> 45:18.800]  Anyway, let me just go to my question real quick so we can answer it, and I'll get off
[45:18.800 --> 45:21.920]  and let other people get on.
[45:21.920 --> 45:28.280]  Let's hypothetically say someone got to Congress, kind of like myself or hopefully Paul, if
[45:28.280 --> 45:29.920]  he'd be willing to step up and do it.
[45:29.920 --> 45:32.120]  I think he'd make an excellent congressman.
[45:32.120 --> 45:34.200]  I'd love to see him on the same committee.
[45:34.200 --> 45:36.680]  We could grill Ben Bernanke together.
[45:36.680 --> 45:40.800]  In any case, I'm looking at this whole Federal Reserve thing.
[45:40.800 --> 45:46.040]  I don't see the audit to Fed bill passing this time, but eventually it's going to be
[45:46.040 --> 45:52.760]  discovered that all they have is a chocolate-covered dust bunny and possibly Randy's beer fund
[45:52.760 --> 45:55.480]  lying in, and that's it.
[45:55.480 --> 46:00.800]  My question would be, how would you untangle this mess?
[46:00.800 --> 46:08.040]  The end result would be, we go back to a gold and or silver standard, and we just have sound
[46:08.040 --> 46:09.040]  money again.
[46:09.040 --> 46:14.120]  That's exactly how you unravel it.
[46:14.120 --> 46:20.140]  It's going to be painful when it happens, but that's the only way, that's the only recovery
[46:20.140 --> 46:27.760]  in my mind that this nation has to get back to a semblance of... Well, the first thing
[46:27.760 --> 46:33.320]  needs to happen is the 10th Amendment needs to be restored, the 17th Amendment needs to
[46:33.320 --> 46:38.600]  be restored or changed back to where we vote for the senators instead of where they're
[46:38.600 --> 46:42.680]  appointed by the state governments as opposed to us voting for them.
[46:42.680 --> 46:49.920]  You need to roll back the entire emergency and the Trading with the Enemies Act and get
[46:49.920 --> 46:51.800]  ourselves back on a gold standard.
[46:51.800 --> 46:57.000]  I don't know that it's ever going to happen without some type of a revolt, whether it's
[46:57.000 --> 47:06.080]  a violent revolt, I would hope it wouldn't be, but my position right now is there's got
[47:06.080 --> 47:11.880]  to be a devaluation of our currency, and it's not going to be allowed to continue like it
[47:11.880 --> 47:12.880]  is.
[47:12.880 --> 47:20.200]  I've heard all this stuff about the Amero and Canada and Mexico joining us and becoming
[47:20.200 --> 47:28.160]  a minor competitor to the EU.
[47:28.160 --> 47:33.400]  I haven't gotten off into all of it, but so much of what we're seeing in our country,
[47:33.400 --> 47:41.120]  if you're into any kind of Bible study, this has been prophesied for a long, long time,
[47:41.120 --> 47:48.200]  and I just don't know that we're going to... But the gold standard, it would eliminate
[47:48.200 --> 47:57.020]  inflation, it would make everything exactly what it was worth, and in order to get there
[47:57.020 --> 48:03.080]  would probably have to be coupled with some type of bartering system initially to give
[48:03.080 --> 48:08.800]  everybody the opportunity to readjust what's going on.
[48:08.800 --> 48:15.880]  Yeah, it's interesting you said that, because I've been thinking in running myself, we know
[48:15.880 --> 48:22.320]  what the problem is, I'm just trying to write the most precise plan to make... Yes, there
[48:22.320 --> 48:26.960]  is going to be a lot of pain, but I'm trying to formulate, I guess, the least painful way
[48:26.960 --> 48:32.840]  we could do it, and I was actually thinking of using United States notes in the interim.
[48:32.840 --> 48:40.480]  As horrible as a fiat currency is, at least it would be a little easier than bartering
[48:40.480 --> 48:43.800]  in a lot of ways, but it would probably introduce its own problems.
[48:43.800 --> 48:50.040]  Well, that way, actually it would be... You would want to do it to serve as a bridge to
[48:50.040 --> 48:55.800]  take us from where we are to where we need to get back to, and let me explain quickly
[48:55.800 --> 49:00.760]  if I may what... All this stuff that's gone on with... If you go back and look at what
[49:00.760 --> 49:08.480]  Germany did in 1933 and 34, Obama is doing exactly the same thing, or Obama and the Congress
[49:08.480 --> 49:14.560]  with all these stimulus packages and everything else that he's put together, two things that
[49:14.560 --> 49:19.840]  if they'd have done just two things when all this mess began, when the subprime market
[49:19.840 --> 49:26.920]  started to blow up on them, they were able to get through the dot com explosion because
[49:26.920 --> 49:29.880]  of the tax cuts that Bush put in.
[49:29.880 --> 49:37.120]  There was some pain into it, but it wasn't near as severe as what we're facing now.
[49:37.120 --> 49:44.600]  Had they put a two or three-year moratorium on capital gains tax when this all started,
[49:44.600 --> 49:54.160]  and had they dropped everybody's marginal tax rate from 35%, which is the federal tax
[49:54.160 --> 50:02.960]  rate I'm talking about, to say two rates, 12% and 20%, and done that for two or three
[50:02.960 --> 50:11.040]  years, and why say to eliminate the capital gains tax or moratorium, do you know how many
[50:11.040 --> 50:18.120]  people before this market fell apart and we dropped from 14,000 down to 8,000, do you
[50:18.120 --> 50:23.880]  know how many people own shares of stock that they had no basis in, and they cannot sell
[50:23.880 --> 50:27.800]  that stock because the capital gains tax would eat them alive?
[50:27.800 --> 50:33.560]  They have to wait for the spouse to die in order to get stuff up in basis in order to
[50:33.560 --> 50:35.640]  be able to liquidate that stock.
[50:35.640 --> 50:40.960]  They had a moratorium on capital gains tax, the amount of activity which would have taken
[50:40.960 --> 50:49.400]  place on the exchanges, all of them, New York, American, Pacific, Canadian, San Francisco,
[50:49.400 --> 50:54.920]  and would have trickled all over the world for us to recapitalize this nation.
[50:54.920 --> 50:59.480]  None of these bailouts, none of the stuff that's gone on would have been necessary had
[50:59.480 --> 51:06.400]  they done those two things, but you see you've got bureaucrats and lobbyists and all these
[51:06.400 --> 51:13.160]  idiots that are up there who are living off of it, and the rest of us who are peons are
[51:13.160 --> 51:18.360]  out here, they don't care anything about what we're doing, and this healthcare situation
[51:18.360 --> 51:27.080]  that he's embarked on now is if they gain control of 20% of this economy, one-fifth
[51:27.080 --> 51:32.880]  of the economy will be tied directly to some government bureaucrat if this stuff goes through,
[51:32.880 --> 51:38.960]  there will be no recovery, but I didn't mean to get off on all that, but those two things
[51:38.960 --> 51:44.040]  would have satisfied and solved this issue, and there would not have been any devaluation
[51:44.040 --> 51:50.840]  like we've seen, and we would not have had the foreclosures that we've had, and the revenue
[51:50.840 --> 51:58.480]  that the Treasury would have realized having done that is so exponentially more than what
[51:58.480 --> 52:05.520]  they're going to, and their tax rates are down 33%, 34% right now, what they're collecting
[52:05.520 --> 52:10.200]  for all the stimulus and all the stuff they've done, so the IRS is not, that's why they're
[52:10.200 --> 52:15.080]  so active right now, it's because they're not taking in their revenue today, we're accustomed
[52:15.080 --> 52:16.080]  to taking in.
[52:16.080 --> 52:25.560]  All right, Dan, do you have anything else for us?
[52:25.560 --> 52:29.480]  Just one more thing now that I thought about it, you guys heard about how much money Peter
[52:29.480 --> 52:34.440]  Schiff raised for his Senate run, right?
[52:34.440 --> 52:37.600]  Well I haven't, but I don't know who Peter Schiff is.
[52:37.600 --> 52:43.160]  Peter Schiff was Ron Paul's economic advisor, we're trying to draft him in Connecticut,
[52:43.160 --> 52:50.680]  he raised more than the Republican front runner in two weeks, and he raised 800 and, I think
[52:50.680 --> 52:59.800]  it's up to 15, 815,000, so we're really upsetting things, and Paul, I really, if I were you,
[52:59.800 --> 53:04.640]  consider running for Congress, because the more people we have, there's actually-
[53:04.640 --> 53:08.320]  I don't want to take your cut and pay.
[53:08.320 --> 53:14.680]  Well we need you right now, you know, and there's a project called Retake Congress,
[53:14.680 --> 53:24.040]  we're looking to fill all 435 seats with liberty minded people who will fix the problem.
[53:24.040 --> 53:27.640]  So yeah, that's about it, and keep up the good work, guys.
[53:27.640 --> 53:30.960]  All right, thank you, Dan.
[53:30.960 --> 53:38.760]  Okay, we're going to go now to Rick in Texas, Rick thanks for calling in, what is your question
[53:38.760 --> 53:39.760]  for our guest?
[53:39.760 --> 53:43.440]  Hey, I have a traffic question, is that okay?
[53:43.440 --> 53:46.360]  Well why don't you hold for a second so we can make sure we get all the calls for our
[53:46.360 --> 53:51.920]  guest.
[53:51.920 --> 53:54.160]  Are people calling in for other questions?
[53:54.160 --> 53:59.300]  Right, I don't know, because honestly I don't have a call screener right now, I'm just taking
[53:59.300 --> 54:04.320]  the calls as they come, I'm trying to screen calls on the breaks if I can.
[54:04.320 --> 54:09.680]  But right now, just to be respectful to our guests, we want to take the calls that pertain
[54:09.680 --> 54:15.040]  to the topic at hand, so that we don't keep our guests just waiting while we discuss other
[54:15.040 --> 54:16.040]  issues.
[54:16.040 --> 54:20.800]  So you can either hang on the line or you can call back.
[54:20.800 --> 54:21.800]  How long do you think?
[54:21.800 --> 54:22.800]  Deborah?
[54:22.800 --> 54:23.800]  Deborah?
[54:23.800 --> 54:24.800]  Yes.
[54:24.800 --> 54:30.520]  I'm not being too out of line, I've held on calls myself and I know how frustrating it
[54:30.520 --> 54:31.520]  is.
[54:31.520 --> 54:35.320]  If you don't mind, why don't you take his question and I'll just take a quick break.
[54:35.320 --> 54:37.840]  Okay, if you don't mind, Paul, go ahead.
[54:37.840 --> 54:38.840]  No, I don't mind.
[54:38.840 --> 54:39.840]  Okay, go ahead Rick.
[54:39.840 --> 54:42.840]  Hey, thanks a lot, I really appreciate that.
[54:42.840 --> 54:46.360]  It's actually really quick, I've called in a couple times about this issue, but I've
[54:46.360 --> 54:56.480]  lost signal last week and seatbelt case, lost at municipal, it's gone to county, 27th of
[54:56.480 --> 55:02.760]  last month, July 27th was the scheduled date, 9 a.m., showed up, courtroom was dark, no
[55:02.760 --> 55:03.760]  one there.
[55:03.760 --> 55:07.280]  They said, oh, come back at 1.30, I said, no, you're not doing it, it's a done deal
[55:07.280 --> 55:08.280]  now.
[55:08.280 --> 55:14.360]  I followed my motion to dismiss, I did not send it, certified mail.
[55:14.360 --> 55:18.840]  I hand delivered it today, had it file marked.
[55:18.840 --> 55:23.800]  They want me there, they sent another letter saying, sorry for our inconvenience, sorry
[55:23.800 --> 55:27.960]  it was our fault, sorry for inconveniencing you, but still got to show up at 1.30 Monday
[55:27.960 --> 55:31.120]  or we'll put a warrant after your arrest.
[55:31.120 --> 55:38.200]  Does my motion to dismiss serve as my appearance and is it good enough to not send it certified
[55:38.200 --> 55:41.800]  mail but have it file marked with my case?
[55:41.800 --> 55:47.640]  Oh, it's plenty good to have it file marked with your case.
[55:47.640 --> 55:53.880]  And the second part, you have to show up or they'll have you arrested.
[55:53.880 --> 56:03.120]  Now I would have you, okay, you filed a motion to dismiss, you demanded it be heard first
[56:03.120 --> 56:06.960]  because it effectively goes to subject matter jurisdiction.
[56:06.960 --> 56:15.280]  The court, when it failed to hold the hearing after they had ordered you to be there, the
[56:15.280 --> 56:22.600]  court lost jurisdiction, you have a right to dismissal.
[56:22.600 --> 56:28.240]  What you're thinking, the problem with traffic in the county courts, the county court can
[56:28.240 --> 56:35.120]  do whatever they want to because they're the final, they're the court of last resort.
[56:35.120 --> 56:41.160]  So what you need to do is go after the judge.
[56:41.160 --> 56:49.920]  I would move to disqualify the judge because the judge committed official oppression against
[56:49.920 --> 56:50.920]  you.
[56:50.920 --> 56:56.840]  But now also keep in mind the county court at least is a court of record.
[56:56.840 --> 57:01.760]  I can't ask them who the court of appeals is and go for a writ of mandamus?
[57:01.760 --> 57:07.560]  No, there is no appeal from the county court on the traffic.
[57:07.560 --> 57:11.280]  Well, but the thing is, Randy, it's a criminal charge.
[57:11.280 --> 57:18.200]  I know, but you still know, you're arguing against statute.
[57:18.200 --> 57:25.800]  You have to get around the prohibition, the statute that makes the county court the court
[57:25.800 --> 57:26.800]  of last resort.
[57:26.800 --> 57:36.320]  Now that seems absolutely unconstitutional, but it costs so much to fight it, nobody does.
[57:36.320 --> 57:41.520]  So as long as it hasn't been ruled unconstitutional, we have to deal with it.
[57:41.520 --> 57:46.040]  Could I interrupt a second, Randy?
[57:46.040 --> 57:47.040]  Absolutely.
[57:47.040 --> 57:54.560]  How about having him look up in the Texas Code of Criminal Procedures 2120 and 2121
[57:54.560 --> 57:59.320]  and see if this was brought by either the district attorney or the county attorney.
[57:59.320 --> 58:00.320]  Okay.
[58:00.320 --> 58:06.560]  This is a classy misdemeanor, seat belt.
[58:06.560 --> 58:09.840]  That goes to Chapter 21 goes to indictment.
[58:09.840 --> 58:11.960]  Right, okay.
[58:11.960 --> 58:16.200]  Okay, we're going to break.
[58:16.200 --> 58:18.160]  Rick, you can hang on if you like.
[58:18.160 --> 58:19.160]  Sure.
[58:19.160 --> 58:20.160]  Okay, great.
[58:20.160 --> 58:21.160]  All right.
[58:21.160 --> 58:22.160]  We'll be right back.
[58:22.160 --> 58:27.800]  David, Doug, Jean, Amy, we'll be taking your calls on the other side and finishing up with
[58:27.800 --> 58:28.800]  Rick.
[58:28.800 --> 58:31.520]  We've got our special guest, Paul, talking about the mortgage industry.
[58:31.520 --> 58:32.520]  We'll be right back.
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[01:04:10.080 --> 01:04:31.080]  You are listening to the rule of law radio, live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:04:31.080 --> 01:04:52.080]  You are listening to the rule of law radio, live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:04:52.080 --> 01:05:02.080]  I would suggest that you go on the internet and do a search for how do we state this.
[01:05:02.080 --> 01:05:07.080]  Eddie, you've got a key word that might get him a good hit.
[01:05:07.080 --> 01:05:11.080]  Okay. Restate the argument you're trying to present.
[01:05:11.080 --> 01:05:22.080]  Stummans, you're summoned to court and the prosecution is not ready for whatever reason.
[01:05:22.080 --> 01:05:29.080]  They're trying to prosecute.
[01:05:29.080 --> 01:05:33.080]  It goes to being summoned.
[01:05:33.080 --> 01:05:40.080]  Being summoned is not like a civil where they ask both sides if this is a good day for you guys.
[01:05:40.080 --> 01:05:42.080]  Do you have anything else planned?
[01:05:42.080 --> 01:05:44.080]  Are we going to play golf this day?
[01:05:44.080 --> 01:05:45.080]  If not, we can move around.
[01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:48.080]  They decide on a day between them.
[01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:52.080]  So it's not quite so serious.
[01:05:52.080 --> 01:05:56.080]  In criminal, they say you'd be here this day, this time.
[01:05:56.080 --> 01:05:58.080]  They don't ask you if it's convenient.
[01:05:58.080 --> 01:06:05.080]  So on the backside, because they threaten you with the rest not showing up at their convenience,
[01:06:05.080 --> 01:06:09.080]  they have the requirement to be ready.
[01:06:09.080 --> 01:06:12.080]  That's exactly what I was saying.
[01:06:12.080 --> 01:06:16.080]  Their failure to be ready is a failure to prosecute.
[01:06:16.080 --> 01:06:24.080]  They had a set date and time in which all parties were to be present.
[01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:32.080]  You could try that and try an abusive process.
[01:06:32.080 --> 01:06:40.080]  Both you guys are recommending that I definitely show up instead of just leave that file and not show up?
[01:06:40.080 --> 01:06:44.080]  Well, unless you want to spend the next few weeks cringing every time you see a cop headed in your direction,
[01:06:44.080 --> 01:06:46.080]  yeah, I'd recommend it.
[01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:48.080]  Yeah, that's the thing.
[01:06:48.080 --> 01:06:53.080]  I tell people, always show up.
[01:06:53.080 --> 01:06:59.080]  Unless they want to get you in their jail and beat you half to death, which is in my case, so I didn't show up.
[01:06:59.080 --> 01:07:03.080]  But now I have to cringe every time I see a cop because they want me.
[01:07:03.080 --> 01:07:08.080]  Yeah, but basically speaking, you need to write a full-blown motion stating the facts,
[01:07:08.080 --> 01:07:11.080]  that you were scheduled for trial on this date at this time.
[01:07:11.080 --> 01:07:14.080]  You were notified of no change.
[01:07:14.080 --> 01:07:16.080]  You were present.
[01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:23.080]  The prosecuting party was not present and forfeited by default.
[01:07:23.080 --> 01:07:28.080]  Because even though the fact that the court itself was not present is irrelevant,
[01:07:28.080 --> 01:07:32.080]  you were scheduled, you were there, they missed, end of story.
[01:07:32.080 --> 01:07:34.080]  They failed to prosecute.
[01:07:34.080 --> 01:07:36.080]  They defaulted.
[01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:45.080]  And that shows that obviously they managed to notify the other party that there wasn't going to be a hearing.
[01:07:45.080 --> 01:07:49.080]  So what was the problem with notifying you?
[01:07:49.080 --> 01:07:52.080]  And telling you they're sorry?
[01:07:52.080 --> 01:07:54.080]  That's tacit admission.
[01:07:54.080 --> 01:07:55.080]  Oh, I know.
[01:07:55.080 --> 01:08:00.080]  That's pretty inconvenient. So I need to write another motion then saying that I was present,
[01:08:00.080 --> 01:08:06.080]  stating that they were not present, I was not notified of any changes, and they forfeited by default.
[01:08:06.080 --> 01:08:07.080]  Okay.
[01:08:07.080 --> 01:08:08.080]  Do me a favor.
[01:08:08.080 --> 01:08:12.080]  Before you file this, have you ever written an actual motion before?
[01:08:12.080 --> 01:08:13.080]  Yeah.
[01:08:13.080 --> 01:08:15.080]  And you have jurisdictionary?
[01:08:15.080 --> 01:08:17.080]  No, I don't.
[01:08:17.080 --> 01:08:18.080]  Okay.
[01:08:18.080 --> 01:08:21.080]  What did you use as a template for the motion you filed?
[01:08:21.080 --> 01:08:24.080]  Please tell me it's not a Patriot download.
[01:08:24.080 --> 01:08:26.080]  I'm not going to have anything against them.
[01:08:26.080 --> 01:08:33.080]  But most of the documents I've seen that the Patriot community wants to file in court is nothing more than a long narrative,
[01:08:33.080 --> 01:08:35.080]  which is not a motion.
[01:08:35.080 --> 01:08:38.080]  Actually, it's from the guy that he knows.
[01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:40.080]  He knows you and Randy.
[01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:42.080]  He's done this for like 30 years.
[01:08:42.080 --> 01:08:43.080]  Okay.
[01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:46.080]  If you've got a reliable source, no problem.
[01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:52.080]  But what you want to do in that motion is don't just state what you think it means or what the law is.
[01:08:52.080 --> 01:08:57.080]  You actually put the law in the document that shows what they must do and what they must obey.
[01:08:57.080 --> 01:09:05.080]  And after you get the motion written, take that very same motion and convert it to a judicial notice.
[01:09:05.080 --> 01:09:14.080]  That way, if the court decides they want to just deny the motion out of hand, they can't deny the judicial notice attached to that motion.
[01:09:14.080 --> 01:09:20.080]  They have to respond to the judicial notice, and they have to apply it.
[01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:22.080]  Judicial notice attached to that motion.
[01:09:22.080 --> 01:09:23.080]  Correct.
[01:09:23.080 --> 01:09:27.080]  And if they fail to do that, then you file a second motion,
[01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:45.080]  which is finding of facts and conclusions of law demanding that the court tell you exactly on what legal authority and basis they denied your original motion.
[01:09:45.080 --> 01:09:47.080]  I'm sorry, demand what?
[01:09:47.080 --> 01:09:51.080]  Demand for finding of facts and conclusions of law.
[01:09:51.080 --> 01:09:59.080]  In other words, you're going to make the court tell you what law they're using to either not respond or to outright deny your motion,
[01:09:59.080 --> 01:10:07.080]  just like you're using the law to tell them your position on why they defaulted.
[01:10:07.080 --> 01:10:13.080]  Demand for finding of facts and conclusions of law.
[01:10:13.080 --> 01:10:14.080]  Okay.
[01:10:14.080 --> 01:10:15.080]  Okay.
[01:10:15.080 --> 01:10:16.080]  I'm going to let you guys go.
[01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:19.080]  I'm going to tell you guys, I know you get so many colors, you probably forgot this,
[01:10:19.080 --> 01:10:30.080]  but the bailiff that slashed my Minnow folder shut and was pressing this guy, I went to the sheriff's office today and filed two counts of assault on him.
[01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:32.080]  Yes.
[01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:33.080]  But you know what?
[01:10:33.080 --> 01:10:35.080]  It's a classy misdemeanor, I'm told.
[01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:39.080]  And, you know, who knows if I'm ever going to be told?
[01:10:39.080 --> 01:10:42.080]  You know, what I want them to do is to contact me so I can say, great,
[01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:48.080]  I want to know that I have within my 10 days to serve subpoenas to the other witnesses.
[01:10:48.080 --> 01:10:55.080]  But, you know, I may find out that, you know, I may hear nothing.
[01:10:55.080 --> 01:10:58.080]  Are you talking about on the complaints?
[01:10:58.080 --> 01:10:59.080]  No.
[01:10:59.080 --> 01:11:05.080]  When I was there on the 27th and I said, hey, I demand a jury trial right now, you guys have set me for this time, and I want it now.
[01:11:05.080 --> 01:11:10.080]  And then the bailiffs came up there and one of them was pressing his gut into my elbow and he slapped my Minnow folder shut.
[01:11:10.080 --> 01:11:14.080]  That's the time, Randy, when you asked me if he was packing a piece.
[01:11:14.080 --> 01:11:21.080]  And I thought you had said penal code 2204B2A, but I pulled that up, but I don't see where that applies.
[01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:24.080]  I don't see where it's the first-degree felony.
[01:11:24.080 --> 01:11:27.080]  I think it's classy misdemeanor.
[01:11:27.080 --> 01:11:36.080]  No, if a man was carrying a deadly weapon and assaulted you, he touched you in a manner you did not approve of, that's aggravated assault.
[01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:38.080]  That is a first-degree felony.
[01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:45.080]  How do I push it to where I hear the outcome or I push it to I have intent to sue?
[01:11:45.080 --> 01:11:47.080]  Or can I?
[01:11:47.080 --> 01:11:48.080]  Well, you can sue.
[01:11:48.080 --> 01:11:49.080]  You can sue.
[01:11:49.080 --> 01:11:50.080]  Okay.
[01:11:50.080 --> 01:11:52.080]  This is how you get there.
[01:11:52.080 --> 01:12:04.080]  2204 says that if a person commits assault as defined by 2203, I think I've got those right, simple assault.
[01:12:04.080 --> 01:12:15.080]  Simple assault constitutes offensive touching, touching in a way a reasonable person of ordinary prudence would consider offensive or threatening.
[01:12:15.080 --> 01:12:30.080]  And paragraph B2A says that paragraph B2 says that it's a second-degree felony.
[01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:37.080]  If the person who commits the offense is touching, it's displaying a deadly weapon.
[01:12:37.080 --> 01:12:42.080]  B2A says it's a first-degree felony.
[01:12:42.080 --> 01:12:50.080]  If the person is a public official acting under color of authority, it goes exactly there.
[01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:59.080]  It goes exactly to what the bailiff did, because if he hadn't been wearing that pistol, you'd have knocked and flared on his behind.
[01:12:59.080 --> 01:13:01.080]  Oh, yeah.
[01:13:01.080 --> 01:13:02.080]  Yeah.
[01:13:02.080 --> 01:13:06.080]  You couldn't protect yourself because they could shoot you.
[01:13:06.080 --> 01:13:07.080]  Right.
[01:13:07.080 --> 01:13:11.080]  So they put you in fear of your life with their offensive touching.
[01:13:11.080 --> 01:13:22.080]  Offensive touching is the only class of misdemeanor, but when it's done while someone's displaying a deadly weapon, now they put you in threat of your life.
[01:13:22.080 --> 01:13:25.080]  That's what makes it a first-degree felony.
[01:13:25.080 --> 01:13:26.080]  Okay.
[01:13:26.080 --> 01:13:29.080]  One last question, and I really appreciate you taking my call.
[01:13:29.080 --> 01:13:31.080]  You know, I understand what Eddie's saying, all this.
[01:13:31.080 --> 01:13:32.080]  I've written all this down.
[01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:48.080]  But if they decide not to go with the – to dismiss Monday, I can't just ask them, where do I go – who do I go to for the Court of Appeals and apply for writ of mandamus?
[01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:50.080]  That would be the district court.
[01:13:50.080 --> 01:13:51.080]  I'm not sure.
[01:13:51.080 --> 01:13:52.080]  That's a good question.
[01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:55.080]  Where do you live?
[01:13:55.080 --> 01:13:56.080]  Kingsland.
[01:13:56.080 --> 01:13:57.080]  This is a Barnett County thing.
[01:13:57.080 --> 01:14:00.080]  I think they have a district court, you know, kind of like a mother court.
[01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:01.080]  Okay.
[01:14:01.080 --> 01:14:06.080]  And I could – I could have them hear this, and they would say, you know, the guy's within his rights.
[01:14:06.080 --> 01:14:09.080]  You can always go to the next higher court.
[01:14:09.080 --> 01:14:23.080]  Now, if your courthouse has multiple judges there and the person hearing your case is one of the multiple judges and not the head judge, you can also take your petition straight to the head judge.
[01:14:23.080 --> 01:14:25.080]  Okay.
[01:14:25.080 --> 01:14:36.080]  Like in Travis County, Bob Perkins is the head criminal district judge and the head administrative judge.
[01:14:36.080 --> 01:14:44.080]  But if you fail to get satisfaction from the head judge, then you go to the next higher court and file a writ of mandamus.
[01:14:44.080 --> 01:14:53.080]  And you might file a motion to disqualify the judge and charge the judge with disqualification.
[01:14:53.080 --> 01:14:56.080]  Motion to disqualify?
[01:14:56.080 --> 01:14:58.080]  Yeah, disqualify the cause.
[01:14:58.080 --> 01:15:08.080]  And do remember that the judge you are filing the motion on for disqualification cannot make the determination on the motion.
[01:15:08.080 --> 01:15:11.080]  It must be heard by a separate judge.
[01:15:11.080 --> 01:15:17.080]  Now, on your recusal, the same judge can hear his own recusal.
[01:15:17.080 --> 01:15:21.080]  But in a disqualification, it has to be a separate judge.
[01:15:21.080 --> 01:15:22.080]  Precisely.
[01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:24.080]  That's why I suggested disqualification.
[01:15:24.080 --> 01:15:28.080]  And the criminal complaint supports disqualification.
[01:15:28.080 --> 01:15:37.080]  You charge him with official oppression, denying you in your right to due process.
[01:15:37.080 --> 01:15:41.080]  Okay. Guys, thanks for taking my call.
[01:15:41.080 --> 01:15:42.080]  Okay.
[01:15:42.080 --> 01:15:43.080]  Thank you, Rick.
[01:15:43.080 --> 01:15:44.080]  Have fun.
[01:15:44.080 --> 01:15:45.080]  Okay, yeah, thanks.
[01:15:45.080 --> 01:15:46.080]  Talk to you later.
[01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:47.080]  Thanks, Rick.
[01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:48.080]  Okay.
[01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:50.080]  We're going to move on now.
[01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:54.080]  We've got David in Texas.
[01:15:54.080 --> 01:15:55.080]  David, thanks for calling in.
[01:15:55.080 --> 01:15:56.080]  Hello.
[01:15:56.080 --> 01:15:57.080]  Do you have a question for our guest?
[01:15:57.080 --> 01:15:58.080]  I do.
[01:15:58.080 --> 01:16:02.080]  First, I wanted to say hi to all the jurisdictionary groups out there that might be listening.
[01:16:02.080 --> 01:16:07.080]  Guys like Matt and Adelpo, maybe you see other people.
[01:16:07.080 --> 01:16:12.080]  Randy, you graced us with your presence a couple of weeks ago, and we really appreciated it.
[01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:15.080]  We had a lot of fun talking with you.
[01:16:15.080 --> 01:16:24.080]  I had a question for Paul that relates to a conversation I had with a friend of the family who's a banker.
[01:16:24.080 --> 01:16:25.080]  Excuse me.
[01:16:25.080 --> 01:16:30.080]  It precipitated after I had watched the video, Money Has Debt.
[01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:35.080]  I wrote down a few notes, actually found a transcript, cut a few quotes out and sent them to him,
[01:16:35.080 --> 01:16:40.080]  and asked him what he thought, and he wrote me back one word that's a pile of you-know-what.
[01:16:40.080 --> 01:16:43.080]  And so a little e-mail debate erupted again.
[01:16:43.080 --> 01:16:50.080]  We kind of corresponded via e-mail a few times, and eventually he called me on the phone,
[01:16:50.080 --> 01:16:56.080]  and I asked him point blank, do you lend your depositors funds?
[01:16:56.080 --> 01:17:06.080]  I wasn't on the radio earlier when Paul was speaking, but I was curious to know if bankers do lend their funds.
[01:17:06.080 --> 01:17:07.080]  I know it might be rudimentary.
[01:17:07.080 --> 01:17:11.080]  You were talking way over my head with the gentleman from New Hampshire there.
[01:17:11.080 --> 01:17:20.080]  But for notching it down a few notches, he was adamant about the fact that, no, I only lend my depositors funds.
[01:17:20.080 --> 01:17:30.080]  And the idea that every deposit that I get and every loan that I fund allegedly creates money.
[01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:33.080]  He was adamant, but that's not the way it works.
[01:17:33.080 --> 01:17:34.080]  Well, he's wrong.
[01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:37.080]  Two items that you need to do.
[01:17:37.080 --> 01:17:40.080]  I don't know if you can still get Modern Money Mechanics.
[01:17:40.080 --> 01:17:42.080]  I know you can download it.
[01:17:42.080 --> 01:17:48.080]  They've cut out about half of a chapter, but it doesn't really apply to the question you're asking.
[01:17:48.080 --> 01:17:52.080]  It was printed by the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank.
[01:17:52.080 --> 01:17:54.080]  It's called Modern Money Mechanics.
[01:17:54.080 --> 01:17:56.080]  I'm familiar with it.
[01:17:56.080 --> 01:17:57.080]  All right.
[01:17:57.080 --> 01:18:03.080]  The second book you might want to look into was published by the Federal Reserve Bank in Richmond, Virginia.
[01:18:03.080 --> 01:18:06.080]  It's called Your Money.
[01:18:06.080 --> 01:18:08.080]  I'm going to give you the address.
[01:18:08.080 --> 01:18:17.080]  It's Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond Public Services Department, Post Office Box 27622.
[01:18:17.080 --> 01:18:23.080]  I'll repeat for you, Richmond, Virginia 23261.
[01:18:23.080 --> 01:18:39.080]  That's the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond Public Services Department, PO Box 27622, Richmond, Virginia 23261.
[01:18:39.080 --> 01:18:42.080]  The title of the book is Your Money.
[01:18:42.080 --> 01:18:44.080]  And there's a free copy.
[01:18:44.080 --> 01:18:50.080]  Just write to them and request it, and they'll mail you one back.
[01:18:50.080 --> 01:18:58.080]  So if I wanted to pin this guy in a quarter, I like Randy's tactics of pinning public servants in the corners here.
[01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:03.080]  I want to pin a private banker into a quarter.
[01:19:03.080 --> 01:19:06.080]  What would one say to him if he said, you know, I lend my deposit?
[01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:09.080]  He also did say that he also.
[01:19:09.080 --> 01:19:16.080]  I would ask him if he would mind right then if I call the United States Marshal,
[01:19:16.080 --> 01:19:24.080]  because he's violating every law there is in the banking industry if he's lending his depositor's money.
[01:19:24.080 --> 01:19:29.080]  But do not call the United States Marshal's service.
[01:19:29.080 --> 01:19:32.080]  There's 13 United States Marshals in this country.
[01:19:32.080 --> 01:19:38.080]  Each Federal Reserve District has its own United States Marshal.
[01:19:38.080 --> 01:19:40.080]  That's the guy you want to call.
[01:19:40.080 --> 01:19:44.080]  Is there a law specifically that you could quote or that you might be able to point me to
[01:19:44.080 --> 01:19:47.080]  that says that you can't lend a deposit?
[01:19:47.080 --> 01:19:51.080]  Yes, certainly.
[01:19:51.080 --> 01:19:53.080]  Let me see if I can find it real quick.
[01:19:53.080 --> 01:19:57.080]  That's something I don't keep on the top of my pointed little head.
[01:19:57.080 --> 01:20:00.080]  Write down the address, but I'll get it off the archive.
[01:20:00.080 --> 01:20:10.080]  But anything that you could point me to would be helpful, because I hear a lot of these things bandied around.
[01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:17.080]  And as Randy was accurately pointing out to the gentleman that called before from Kingsland,
[01:20:17.080 --> 01:20:21.080]  if you don't quote the law, just giving the narrative isn't going to work.
[01:20:21.080 --> 01:20:23.080]  It doesn't do anything in the court.
[01:20:23.080 --> 01:20:31.080]  I'd ask him, do you have a friend that's a notary?
[01:20:31.080 --> 01:20:32.080]  I do.
[01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:37.080]  Take a notary into his office.
[01:20:37.080 --> 01:20:42.080]  And the question I would pose to him in front of the notary is,
[01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:46.080]  according to the Federal Reserve Bank's own book of Richmond, Virginia,
[01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:54.080]  titled Your Money, on page 7, demand deposit accounts are not legal tender.
[01:20:54.080 --> 01:20:57.080]  Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
[01:20:57.080 --> 01:20:59.080]  I love it. I love it.
[01:20:59.080 --> 01:21:07.080]  Are you familiar with the notice to customer required by federal law called Federal Reserve Regulation Z?
[01:21:07.080 --> 01:21:11.080]  Z is in zebra.
[01:21:11.080 --> 01:21:17.080]  Under FedReg Z, it says when a bank says they gave you credit, they mean they credited your transaction account,
[01:21:17.080 --> 01:21:22.080]  leaving you with the presumption that they deposited other depositor's money in the account.
[01:21:22.080 --> 01:21:24.080]  The fact is, they deposited your money.
[01:21:24.080 --> 01:21:29.080]  The bank cannot claim they own the mortgage or any other asset until they loan you their money.
[01:21:29.080 --> 01:21:35.080]  If the bank deposits your money, they are to credit a demand deposit account under your name
[01:21:35.080 --> 01:21:37.080]  so you can write checks and spend your money.
[01:21:37.080 --> 01:21:41.080]  In the case they claim it is their money, ask a criminal attorney
[01:21:41.080 --> 01:21:45.080]  what happens in a fraudulent conversion of your funds to the bank's use
[01:21:45.080 --> 01:21:50.080]  and benefit it without your signature or authorization.
[01:21:50.080 --> 01:21:52.080]  So I would do this in front of the notary.
[01:21:52.080 --> 01:21:57.080]  And I would say, you know, I'd have the notary swear this guy in.
[01:21:57.080 --> 01:22:02.080]  The notaries can swear him in and take a deposition.
[01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:07.080]  Regulation Z and that quote from modern or from your money,
[01:22:07.080 --> 01:22:10.080]  do you loan other people's money?
[01:22:10.080 --> 01:22:16.080]  And do you think that you're not in violation of the Banking Act?
[01:22:16.080 --> 01:22:20.080]  And then you call the United States Marshal, put the son under arrest.
[01:22:20.080 --> 01:22:23.080]  He's violating all kinds of laws.
[01:22:23.080 --> 01:22:24.080]  Banks cannot loan money.
[01:22:24.080 --> 01:22:26.080]  He just confessed.
[01:22:26.080 --> 01:22:30.080]  When he was adamant and he sat there and said to me, no, no, no, I guarantee you,
[01:22:30.080 --> 01:22:35.080]  I only lend my depositor's money, he just confessed to me, effectively,
[01:22:35.080 --> 01:22:37.080]  but obviously it's not under oath.
[01:22:37.080 --> 01:22:39.080]  It's funny that you mentioned taking the notary in there
[01:22:39.080 --> 01:22:40.080]  and putting him under oath.
[01:22:40.080 --> 01:22:43.080]  Let me tell you, here's something from that book.
[01:22:43.080 --> 01:22:46.080]  The bank advertises it loans money.
[01:22:46.080 --> 01:22:48.080]  The bank says sign here.
[01:22:48.080 --> 01:22:51.080]  However, the bank never signs because they know they are not going to lend you
[01:22:51.080 --> 01:22:54.080]  theirs or other depositor's money.
[01:22:54.080 --> 01:22:57.080]  Under the law of bankruptcy of a nation,
[01:22:57.080 --> 01:23:01.080]  any promissory note acts like money.
[01:23:01.080 --> 01:23:04.080]  The bank makes it look like a loan, but it is not.
[01:23:04.080 --> 01:23:06.080]  It is an exchange.
[01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:10.080]  The bank receives the equity when you make the deposit in exchange
[01:23:10.080 --> 01:23:14.080]  for an unpaid bank liability that the bank cannot repay
[01:23:14.080 --> 01:23:20.080]  because the bank is bankrupt without returning you the promissory note.
[01:23:20.080 --> 01:23:22.080]  I mean, it's so plain in this.
[01:23:22.080 --> 01:23:26.080]  If people would just ever go read what the Federal Reserve puts out,
[01:23:26.080 --> 01:23:29.080]  there was a comment once made on the floor of Congress
[01:23:29.080 --> 01:23:31.080]  when all this stuff was going on.
[01:23:31.080 --> 01:23:35.080]  If the American public ever recognizes – well, it was also made by Henry Ford.
[01:23:35.080 --> 01:23:37.080]  It recognizes what we've done.
[01:23:37.080 --> 01:23:41.080]  There aren't enough lampposts in this city to string us all up on,
[01:23:41.080 --> 01:23:46.080]  but they will find a way to string us up.
[01:23:46.080 --> 01:23:48.080]  Which I advocate quite a bit.
[01:23:48.080 --> 01:23:51.080]  I do too.
[01:23:51.080 --> 01:23:58.080]  The bankers and the lawyers are the worst things that we have going for us.
[01:23:58.080 --> 01:24:01.080]  Yeah, I agree with you there.
[01:24:01.080 --> 01:24:04.080]  If I present these questions to him,
[01:24:04.080 --> 01:24:08.080]  is there a way that he is possibly ignorant of this fact?
[01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:10.080]  Well, there's always that possibility,
[01:24:10.080 --> 01:24:15.080]  but as I recall, ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.
[01:24:15.080 --> 01:24:18.080]  No, no, not for lack of liability,
[01:24:18.080 --> 01:24:22.080]  but for the fact of are there mid-level – he's a local banker.
[01:24:22.080 --> 01:24:24.080]  He deals in a local neighborhood bank.
[01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:28.080]  Do these guys just operate on a different level and they don't realize it
[01:24:28.080 --> 01:24:30.080]  and they collect money in the bank and they lend it out?
[01:24:30.080 --> 01:24:33.080]  Or is he just lying to me?
[01:24:33.080 --> 01:24:34.080]  I'm not lying.
[01:24:34.080 --> 01:24:36.080]  He probably just doesn't know.
[01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:39.080]  He may not be familiar with the back office of the bank.
[01:24:39.080 --> 01:24:40.080]  Yeah, he probably just doesn't know.
[01:24:40.080 --> 01:24:42.080]  He's probably just ignorant.
[01:24:42.080 --> 01:24:45.080]  I mean, he's a bank president, and so I asked him, you know,
[01:24:45.080 --> 01:24:48.080]  when you lent me $10,000 to buy a car, did you lend me the money?
[01:24:48.080 --> 01:24:51.080]  Where is this bank located?
[01:24:51.080 --> 01:24:53.080]  Are you doing Texas?
[01:24:53.080 --> 01:24:54.080]  Yes.
[01:24:54.080 --> 01:24:59.080]  I might like a little piece of this banker.
[01:24:59.080 --> 01:25:01.080]  You know, like Muhammad Ali said,
[01:25:01.080 --> 01:25:04.080]  Paul, you need to adopt this phrase, I'm a bad man.
[01:25:04.080 --> 01:25:06.080]  You don't want to mess with you.
[01:25:06.080 --> 01:25:08.080]  Like I said, I was adamant.
[01:25:08.080 --> 01:25:10.080]  I was trying to put him in a corner,
[01:25:10.080 --> 01:25:13.080]  and then I wrote a whole bunch of stuff about money devaluation,
[01:25:13.080 --> 01:25:18.080]  and I said, isn't the structure, the entire structure of our economy
[01:25:18.080 --> 01:25:19.080]  is based to fail?
[01:25:19.080 --> 01:25:20.080]  It has to.
[01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:23.080]  The money supply has to continually increase at all times,
[01:25:23.080 --> 01:25:25.080]  or you have inflation.
[01:25:25.080 --> 01:25:27.080]  And then you have inflation, so you have to keep growth up.
[01:25:27.080 --> 01:25:28.080]  Growth keeps going.
[01:25:28.080 --> 01:25:31.080]  They keep building for no reason when nobody wants it.
[01:25:31.080 --> 01:25:35.080]  They keep inflating, inflating, inflating, and it has to fail.
[01:25:35.080 --> 01:25:40.080]  The thing you have to realize, the bank does not, nor can they loan money.
[01:25:40.080 --> 01:25:42.080]  They merely switch currencies.
[01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:44.080]  That's what they're doing.
[01:25:44.080 --> 01:25:46.080]  Money and currency are different.
[01:25:46.080 --> 01:25:47.080]  Correct.
[01:25:47.080 --> 01:25:48.080]  Gotcha.
[01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:50.080]  Well, Paul, I'm going to let you go.
[01:25:50.080 --> 01:25:51.080]  You guys got other callers.
[01:25:51.080 --> 01:25:52.080]  Thanks.
[01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:56.080]  Randy, come by the jurisdictionary meetings on Tuesday nights again, please.
[01:25:56.080 --> 01:26:01.080]  Well, I was concerned that I kind of took over the meeting.
[01:26:01.080 --> 01:26:02.080]  No, no, no.
[01:26:02.080 --> 01:26:04.080]  We encourage such things.
[01:26:04.080 --> 01:26:09.080]  I don't want to have to all sit there and listen to, you know, ourselves think.
[01:26:09.080 --> 01:26:12.080]  So jurisdictionary is interesting stuff,
[01:26:12.080 --> 01:26:16.080]  but it's certainly not as interesting as, you know, in trenches kind of thing.
[01:26:16.080 --> 01:26:20.080]  And then we also get off into commercial redemption issues quite often,
[01:26:20.080 --> 01:26:22.080]  which are interesting in and of themselves.
[01:26:22.080 --> 01:26:24.080]  But, Paul, thanks for the comments.
[01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:25.080]  I really appreciate it.
[01:26:25.080 --> 01:26:27.080]  And if I'm heading up to Dallas,
[01:26:27.080 --> 01:26:30.080]  maybe I'll try to go through the show here and figure out how to get in touch with you.
[01:26:30.080 --> 01:26:33.080]  I know you didn't, you said it was impossible to get in touch with you,
[01:26:33.080 --> 01:26:35.080]  but it's just up the road, so.
[01:26:35.080 --> 01:26:37.080]  Call me when you're in Dallas.
[01:26:37.080 --> 01:26:39.080]  Call me when you get to Dallas.
[01:26:39.080 --> 01:26:40.080]  I'm here now.
[01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:42.080]  I'm in Dallas now.
[01:26:42.080 --> 01:26:43.080]  Thanks, guys.
[01:26:43.080 --> 01:26:44.080]  All right.
[01:26:44.080 --> 01:26:45.080]  Thank you, David.
[01:26:45.080 --> 01:26:46.080]  Okay.
[01:26:46.080 --> 01:26:48.080]  We're going now to Brady in North Carolina.
[01:26:48.080 --> 01:26:49.080]  He called in earlier and dropped off the line.
[01:26:49.080 --> 01:26:50.080]  He called back in.
[01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:52.080]  Brady, thanks for calling back.
[01:26:52.080 --> 01:26:54.080]  What is your question for our guest?
[01:26:54.080 --> 01:26:57.080]  Good evening, Deborah and crew.
[01:26:57.080 --> 01:27:05.080]  Paul, it's great to benefit from your information.
[01:27:05.080 --> 01:27:12.080]  I've got a notice of attachment and garnishment in the mail this week from taxes
[01:27:12.080 --> 01:27:16.080]  that apparently were owed on my automobile.
[01:27:16.080 --> 01:27:24.080]  I've had a couple of interesting conversations with the ladies at the tax office.
[01:27:24.080 --> 01:27:29.080]  But the thing that is confusing me, well, several things,
[01:27:29.080 --> 01:27:37.080]  but the most pressing is my bank account was locked up on the same day
[01:27:37.080 --> 01:27:42.080]  that I received the notice of garnishment.
[01:27:42.080 --> 01:27:46.080]  They're instructing me that I can only pay this with cash or money order,
[01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:50.080]  but having direct deposit, which just went into the bank account,
[01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:55.080]  I don't have access to any of my funds.
[01:27:55.080 --> 01:27:59.080]  Any comments?
[01:27:59.080 --> 01:28:02.080]  Same one I had about what I was asking on the comptroller.
[01:28:02.080 --> 01:28:03.080]  Go after them.
[01:28:03.080 --> 01:28:07.080]  The bank has given over money that doesn't belong to them,
[01:28:07.080 --> 01:28:11.080]  and they've done it without a court order and without due process of law.
[01:28:11.080 --> 01:28:12.080]  Okay.
[01:28:12.080 --> 01:28:14.080]  So go straight for the bank.
[01:28:14.080 --> 01:28:15.080]  Sure.
[01:28:15.080 --> 01:28:17.080]  That's exactly what I intend to do with the information I got a while ago.
[01:28:17.080 --> 01:28:21.080]  I'd highly recommend you read the documents Paul talked about before you do that,
[01:28:21.080 --> 01:28:25.080]  which would be the Texas Trust Act and the UCC 11.
[01:28:25.080 --> 01:28:27.080]  Okay.
[01:28:27.080 --> 01:28:32.080]  Now I'm in North Carolina, but I've noticed reading over a lot of the statutes,
[01:28:32.080 --> 01:28:36.080]  they are certainly UCC.
[01:28:36.080 --> 01:28:37.080]  Yeah.
[01:28:37.080 --> 01:28:40.080]  The UCC will be universal.
[01:28:40.080 --> 01:28:47.080]  You may also want to see if your state has an individual business code like we do here in Texas.
[01:28:47.080 --> 01:28:57.080]  We have a business and commerce code, which is essentially the state implementation of the UCC itself.
[01:28:57.080 --> 01:29:03.080]  Do they need to perfect the lien, that being the tax office?
[01:29:03.080 --> 01:29:04.080]  Yes, they do.
[01:29:04.080 --> 01:29:06.080]  Any lien has to be perfected.
[01:29:06.080 --> 01:29:12.080]  Isn't that correct, Paul?
[01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:13.080]  I think Paul has dropped off.
[01:29:13.080 --> 01:29:16.080]  I don't see what he's doing.
[01:29:16.080 --> 01:29:22.080]  That's what he was saying earlier, is that the lien – okay, understand what a lien is.
[01:29:22.080 --> 01:29:24.080]  A lien is nothing.
[01:29:24.080 --> 01:29:26.080]  It has no force and effect.
[01:29:26.080 --> 01:29:32.080]  If I come and work on your house and you don't pay me, a lien occurs.
[01:29:32.080 --> 01:29:34.080]  It just exists.
[01:29:34.080 --> 01:29:41.080]  It has no force and effect until I come down and under statute file a notice of that lien.
[01:29:41.080 --> 01:29:51.080]  Now, a mechanics lien or a material man's lien is self-enforcing as a matter of statute,
[01:29:51.080 --> 01:29:54.080]  but that's the only one.
[01:29:54.080 --> 01:30:00.080]  All other liens, the IRS is claiming that when they did an assessment
[01:30:00.080 --> 01:30:07.080]  and discovered that you owed more than you had paid, a lien was created.
[01:30:07.080 --> 01:30:08.080]  I'm sorry.
[01:30:08.080 --> 01:30:10.080]  I'm doing it wrong.
[01:30:10.080 --> 01:30:18.080]  Anyway, they created a lien, and then they came and filed a notice of that lien.
[01:30:18.080 --> 01:30:23.080]  What Paul was saying is that in order to enforce the lien,
[01:30:23.080 --> 01:30:28.080]  they have to go to a court and have the court issue an order.
[01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:37.080]  That's the same as if I have a suit in the civil court and I win, and I get a lien.
[01:30:37.080 --> 01:30:42.080]  The judgment against you creates the lien as a matter of law.
[01:30:42.080 --> 01:30:49.080]  However, it's not self-enforcing like a mechanics lien or a material man's lien is.
[01:30:49.080 --> 01:30:51.080]  It has to be enforced by a court.
[01:30:51.080 --> 01:30:56.080]  I have to go to the judge who gave me the judgment
[01:30:56.080 --> 01:31:02.080]  and ask him to give me an order so I can enforce the lien.
[01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:07.080]  Well, that was pretty much it.
[01:31:07.080 --> 01:31:09.080]  I certainly agree with you.
[01:31:09.080 --> 01:31:16.080]  That was the same approach that I was taking when I spoke with the ladies at the tax office.
[01:31:16.080 --> 01:31:21.080]  She, however, directly contradicted my thoughts and exactly what you said,
[01:31:21.080 --> 01:31:33.080]  and she implied that this process that North Carolina gave them the authority to be self-executed.
[01:31:33.080 --> 01:31:37.080]  I asked immediately, well, where's my due process?
[01:31:37.080 --> 01:31:43.080]  She said, well, you have 10 days to contest it, and that's your due process.
[01:31:43.080 --> 01:31:46.080]  Otherwise, it's self-executing.
[01:31:46.080 --> 01:31:50.080]  You can introduce her to some more due process.
[01:31:50.080 --> 01:31:54.080]  It's called criminal prosecution and civil litigation.
[01:31:54.080 --> 01:31:55.080]  Yes.
[01:31:55.080 --> 01:31:59.080]  That's an unlawful conversion of funds in any state.
[01:31:59.080 --> 01:32:06.080]  That is a taking of private property and converting it to public use without payment.
[01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:08.080]  That's a due process.
[01:32:08.080 --> 01:32:11.080]  That is conversion in any state.
[01:32:11.080 --> 01:32:15.080]  It's the very definition of conversion.
[01:32:15.080 --> 01:32:18.080]  What the clerk will tell you,
[01:32:18.080 --> 01:32:23.080]  she will tell you that what she normally does is law,
[01:32:23.080 --> 01:32:30.080]  and she probably genuinely believes it's law because that's what she was trained to do,
[01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:33.080]  and that's what she was taught to do,
[01:32:33.080 --> 01:32:38.080]  and all those people she trusts have told her this is how you're supposed to do it.
[01:32:38.080 --> 01:32:44.080]  She believes them, but don't believe anything they say.
[01:32:44.080 --> 01:32:47.080]  Only believe what you find in the law.
[01:32:47.080 --> 01:32:52.080]  Exactly, and I had the statute in front of me when I was talking with her,
[01:32:52.080 --> 01:32:57.080]  and in fact, it's interesting that you say that's what she was taught
[01:32:57.080 --> 01:33:01.080]  because she repeated that numerous times.
[01:33:01.080 --> 01:33:02.080]  I've been to school.
[01:33:02.080 --> 01:33:07.080]  This is what we do, but having the statute in front of me,
[01:33:07.080 --> 01:33:14.080]  I agreed with him that some of the enforcement that she was citing was indeed in the statute,
[01:33:14.080 --> 01:33:19.080]  but how she was trying to get there was what I was questioning,
[01:33:19.080 --> 01:33:29.080]  and I went to the statute, General Statute 105-367-1,
[01:33:29.080 --> 01:33:34.080]  when directed to do so by the governing body of the taxing unit
[01:33:34.080 --> 01:33:42.080]  or when requested to do so by the taxpayer or mortgage or other persons holding the lien.
[01:33:42.080 --> 01:33:51.080]  So my question to her was where is the order from the taxing unit or where is the lien
[01:33:51.080 --> 01:33:55.080]  because all I have is a piece of paper that says notice of attachment.
[01:33:55.080 --> 01:33:57.080]  Okay, well, let me ask you a question here.
[01:33:57.080 --> 01:34:00.080]  You just read the statute verbatim, I assume, correct?
[01:34:00.080 --> 01:34:01.080]  Correct.
[01:34:01.080 --> 01:34:03.080]  Are you a taxpayer?
[01:34:03.080 --> 01:34:08.080]  I knew you would go there, Eddie.
[01:34:08.080 --> 01:34:10.080]  I am learning slowly.
[01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:13.080]  No, I am not a taxpayer.
[01:34:13.080 --> 01:34:19.080]  According to the definition defined in that law, you most likely are not a taxpayer.
[01:34:19.080 --> 01:34:23.080]  Now, they must prove you are a taxpayer.
[01:34:23.080 --> 01:34:29.080]  They are not going to be able to prove that if you properly research that law, are they?
[01:34:29.080 --> 01:34:31.080]  No, they're not.
[01:34:31.080 --> 01:34:36.080]  In fact, I was a little surprised, Eddie, that you didn't jump at me immediately with why is my car even registered?
[01:34:36.080 --> 01:34:42.080]  No, I know everybody hasn't bailed out of that crash and wagon yet.
[01:34:42.080 --> 01:34:43.080]  I'm well aware of that.
[01:34:43.080 --> 01:34:49.080]  But I was going to ask you is the vehicle in question registered for commercial purposes or is it yours?
[01:34:49.080 --> 01:34:51.080]  No, it is mine.
[01:34:51.080 --> 01:34:52.080]  Okay.
[01:34:52.080 --> 01:34:59.080]  If it's yours, then they have to show that you are using it for a commercial purpose before those taxes would be due,
[01:34:59.080 --> 01:35:01.080]  wouldn't they?
[01:35:01.080 --> 01:35:03.080]  So should I start there or?
[01:35:03.080 --> 01:35:06.080]  No, I would start with the taxpayer issue.
[01:35:06.080 --> 01:35:13.080]  They are using the term taxpayer to bring you into their jurisdiction as someone that owes the tax.
[01:35:13.080 --> 01:35:25.080]  So the first thing is destroy that little smoke and mirror scheme right there because without that jurisdiction, they have no jurisdiction.
[01:35:25.080 --> 01:35:28.080]  And to get my funds freed up, I should go after the bank.
[01:35:28.080 --> 01:35:32.080]  What would be the first step with getting my funds freed up?
[01:35:32.080 --> 01:35:35.080]  Well, again, that's going to be one of those issues.
[01:35:35.080 --> 01:35:37.080]  File a UCC-11.
[01:35:37.080 --> 01:35:38.080]  Yeah.
[01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:42.080]  When you get that back, take it.
[01:35:42.080 --> 01:35:51.080]  Do you have any kind of a depository account opened up with any kind of a court or an evidence file?
[01:35:51.080 --> 01:35:53.080]  No.
[01:35:53.080 --> 01:35:57.080]  I think you can steal that for around $35.
[01:35:57.080 --> 01:35:59.080]  Okay.
[01:35:59.080 --> 01:36:03.080]  You get an evidence file opened up.
[01:36:03.080 --> 01:36:06.080]  I used a federal court and it was $35.
[01:36:06.080 --> 01:36:16.080]  Carry your UCC-3 in and file it with the court and get a certified copy from the court of that filing.
[01:36:16.080 --> 01:36:22.080]  So now you've got two agencies that are saying there is no lien.
[01:36:22.080 --> 01:36:30.080]  Carry that to the court or the clerk that's trying to enforce this law and be very kind to her and try to explain,
[01:36:30.080 --> 01:36:37.080]  you're not sure if the school you went to was for the mentally infirmed or the mentally disadvantaged or what,
[01:36:37.080 --> 01:36:47.080]  but is she still willing to act on this lien as if it were a perfected lien under the law?
[01:36:47.080 --> 01:36:52.080]  Ensure the UCC-11 where there will not be a lien most likely.
[01:36:52.080 --> 01:36:54.080]  I've never seen one yet.
[01:36:54.080 --> 01:36:56.080]  These guys have ever gone to that extent.
[01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:57.080]  Yeah.
[01:36:57.080 --> 01:37:04.080]  Now, also rather than just dealing with the lowly clerk who's more afraid of her boss than she is you for the most part,
[01:37:04.080 --> 01:37:07.080]  I would bring the boss into the picture.
[01:37:07.080 --> 01:37:14.080]  I would get the boss front and center saying that they're the ones that's going to ensure that this person enforces that lien
[01:37:14.080 --> 01:37:17.080]  here regardless of what the law says.
[01:37:17.080 --> 01:37:22.080]  And the very next thing out of your mouth ought to be in who is your risk management carrier
[01:37:22.080 --> 01:37:27.080]  and how do I obtain a claims form from them?
[01:37:27.080 --> 01:37:28.080]  Very good.
[01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:29.080]  Yeah.
[01:37:29.080 --> 01:37:33.080]  I've actually talked with the boss, the head of the department.
[01:37:33.080 --> 01:37:43.080]  She was the one that told me when I brought up where was my due process under the North Carolina Constitution.
[01:37:43.080 --> 01:37:48.080]  She said if they were outside the Constitution, they didn't have to.
[01:37:48.080 --> 01:37:52.080]  And you went in with a recorder in your hand, didn't you?
[01:37:52.080 --> 01:37:57.080]  I was on the telephone, but I might plan to be in her office next meeting.
[01:37:57.080 --> 01:38:08.080]  And I will softly bring up that subject again and have a great big catcher's mitt.
[01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:14.080]  Because the more you can document how these people are oblivious to what your rights are,
[01:38:14.080 --> 01:38:17.080]  what their job is and who they work for,
[01:38:17.080 --> 01:38:22.080]  the better chance you stand in front of a jury of getting them hung out the dry.
[01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:24.080]  Yeah, I agree.
[01:38:24.080 --> 01:38:29.080]  And actually if I could, I'd take at least two other people with me as witnesses,
[01:38:29.080 --> 01:38:35.080]  and then all three of you can start filing criminal complaints against her.
[01:38:35.080 --> 01:38:39.080]  Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm sorry, go ahead, Paul.
[01:38:39.080 --> 01:38:45.080]  That has a major impact, not so much on what you might be able to do with a grand jury or anything like that,
[01:38:45.080 --> 01:38:47.080]  or any of the local attorneys.
[01:38:47.080 --> 01:38:50.080]  But if you can obtain the name of their risk management carrier
[01:38:50.080 --> 01:38:59.080]  and you forward certified copies of criminal complaints along with the request for a claim form to file a claim against that clerk
[01:38:59.080 --> 01:39:01.080]  and that department and that county,
[01:39:01.080 --> 01:39:09.080]  I wouldn't be opposed, depending on how big the area is, to step into all the categories of it and include them in.
[01:39:09.080 --> 01:39:14.080]  You are all my trustees and I am the beneficiary, and I want you to make me whole.
[01:39:14.080 --> 01:39:18.080]  It is my will that you make me whole in this matter.
[01:39:18.080 --> 01:39:24.080]  And I promise you, they're not going to want to play with you very long
[01:39:24.080 --> 01:39:28.080]  because they're running the risk of having their entire bonding structure,
[01:39:28.080 --> 01:39:36.080]  the premium go way, way up when they start getting three and four and five complaints from three and four and five different people.
[01:39:36.080 --> 01:39:40.080]  Yeah, or yanked out from under them entirely where they can't even hold office.
[01:39:40.080 --> 01:39:42.080]  Right.
[01:39:42.080 --> 01:39:51.080]  Now, what I was about to say here in this case is that I would highly recommend that you prepare affidavits
[01:39:51.080 --> 01:39:59.080]  for exactly the points of law you expect to lead her down the Primrose path into violating.
[01:39:59.080 --> 01:40:07.080]  And as she violates them, give a copy of that affidavit to each witness that is with you and have them sign it.
[01:40:07.080 --> 01:40:09.080]  Right in front of her.
[01:40:09.080 --> 01:40:18.080]  Yep. On such-and-such date at such-and-such time, I witness such-and-such county employee violate such-and-such law in such-and-such manner
[01:40:18.080 --> 01:40:24.080]  and hereby swear out – will be swearing out a criminal complaint to that effect and have them sign the affidavit.
[01:40:24.080 --> 01:40:30.080]  With that affidavit in your hand, you can now go and file the same criminal complaint that they did.
[01:40:30.080 --> 01:40:35.080]  And that also works as evidence in the suit you file against them.
[01:40:35.080 --> 01:40:37.080]  Okay.
[01:40:37.080 --> 01:40:41.080]  And your time just became real valuable.
[01:40:41.080 --> 01:40:48.080]  Yes, it did. I do have my rate structure typed up.
[01:40:48.080 --> 01:40:52.080]  But you make them know who they work for before this is all over.
[01:40:52.080 --> 01:41:01.080]  That's the goal of what we try to teach people to do is to make the servants understand that's what they are.
[01:41:01.080 --> 01:41:05.080]  All right. Perfect. Well, children, I know you probably have other callers.
[01:41:05.080 --> 01:41:10.080]  I've got my task list. I've been very busy jotting down notes.
[01:41:10.080 --> 01:41:16.080]  Deborah, are the third and fourth hours archived or only the first two?
[01:41:16.080 --> 01:41:18.080]  Oh, no. Everything's archived.
[01:41:18.080 --> 01:41:20.080]  It is all archived. Okay. So I can –
[01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:25.080]  Yeah, even after hours is archived usually.
[01:41:25.080 --> 01:41:29.080]  Except for the drunken party. The drunken party is archived.
[01:41:29.080 --> 01:41:32.080]  Yeah, the after hours Randy parties aren't.
[01:41:32.080 --> 01:41:36.080]  Well, I have to get a plane ticket for that then.
[01:41:36.080 --> 01:41:38.080]  Thanks again, guys. Have a good evening.
[01:41:38.080 --> 01:41:39.080]  All right. Thank you, Brady.
[01:41:39.080 --> 01:41:40.080]  All right. Bye-bye.
[01:41:40.080 --> 01:41:44.080]  Okay. Okay. We're going to continue on.
[01:41:44.080 --> 01:41:49.080]  Now we are going to go to Gene in Wisconsin who is next.
[01:41:49.080 --> 01:41:51.080]  Gene, thanks for calling in.
[01:41:51.080 --> 01:41:53.080]  Do you have a question for our guest?
[01:41:53.080 --> 01:41:56.080]  I sure do. Good evening. Great show tonight.
[01:41:56.080 --> 01:41:57.080]  Thank you.
[01:41:57.080 --> 01:42:01.080]  Hey, Paul, I hope you show up again so we can hear you again.
[01:42:01.080 --> 01:42:04.080]  I've got two questions for you.
[01:42:04.080 --> 01:42:14.080]  The first one is what's the function and the way a person would use that number on the back of a Social Security card?
[01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:18.080]  That is the Federal Reserve Bank.
[01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:25.080]  The first number is the Federal Reserve Bank that your Social Security card is governed by.
[01:42:25.080 --> 01:42:27.080]  If it's an E, it's Richmond. I have them all here.
[01:42:27.080 --> 01:42:29.080]  I just don't have them up in front of me.
[01:42:29.080 --> 01:42:35.080]  The next number is the bond number or the CUSIP number for that account.
[01:42:35.080 --> 01:42:40.080]  And that is the bank routing number,
[01:42:40.080 --> 01:42:47.080]  and your Social Security number on the other side of the card is your account number.
[01:42:47.080 --> 01:42:57.080]  So if it's a 06 and then the number, or I'm sorry, if it's an E, E is Richmond, Virginia.
[01:42:57.080 --> 01:43:03.080]  That I know. If it's a D, it's Dallas. I don't have my S. It's San Francisco.
[01:43:03.080 --> 01:43:08.080]  I've got all the routing numbers, and they have wire routing numbers.
[01:43:08.080 --> 01:43:15.080]  You always want to use, when you get to the routing numbers for the Fed, you always want to use the one that has wire access.
[01:43:15.080 --> 01:43:23.080]  But that's what that letter and the bond number on the back is your, that's the account number in the bank.
[01:43:23.080 --> 01:43:30.080]  You know, if you look at your check, there's a certain set of numbers that identify the state your bank is in
[01:43:30.080 --> 01:43:38.080]  and then the bank routing number, and then your Social with the dashes on the other side of the card is your actual account number.
[01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:45.080]  Okay. So would you actually, is there a use for that, a practical use for that?
[01:43:45.080 --> 01:43:49.080]  Would you actually put that on like a money order or something that you do and send in?
[01:43:49.080 --> 01:43:57.080]  If you're writing money order, you can certainly do that. That's, if they, and the Fed, believe me, the Fed understands it,
[01:43:57.080 --> 01:44:02.080]  they know how to convert that and get it credited properly.
[01:44:02.080 --> 01:44:08.080]  They go right directly to the discount window at their bank and make the deposit.
[01:44:08.080 --> 01:44:13.080]  Now wait a minute, Paul, are you saying that the number on the back is the routing number or that that's the account number?
[01:44:13.080 --> 01:44:27.080]  That's the bank, that's the bank routing number. Let me pull the routing numbers up, I can tell you. Hang on a second.
[01:44:27.080 --> 01:44:32.080]  A few people have tried to use that and they say that they've got them returned,
[01:44:32.080 --> 01:44:37.080]  and I'm just wondering if maybe they're using them incorrectly or something.
[01:44:37.080 --> 01:44:42.080]  Well, I don't know what they were using them on, what they got returned.
[01:44:42.080 --> 01:44:56.080]  I think it was the, except for value. I'm not sure how they were using it though.
[01:44:56.080 --> 01:45:05.080]  Well, apparently there's a lot of stuff out there having to do with these numbers.
[01:45:05.080 --> 01:45:06.080]  Go ahead.
[01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:10.080]  Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, I was saying there's a lot of questions about it because there's so much misinformation,
[01:45:10.080 --> 01:45:15.080]  they misinformed people on it.
[01:45:15.080 --> 01:45:24.080]  This is something we've been struggling to dig our way through the Patriot myth and get to the real underlying facts.
[01:45:24.080 --> 01:45:28.080]  Well, I don't see how that number could be a routing number because, I mean,
[01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:35.080]  I know more people than there are Federal Reserve banks that have different numbers.
[01:45:35.080 --> 01:45:40.080]  So it can't be a routing number.
[01:45:40.080 --> 01:45:47.080]  The number, the letter, I'm sorry, not the number, the letter on the account,
[01:45:47.080 --> 01:45:54.080]  the first item in that list of characters is an alphabetic letter.
[01:45:54.080 --> 01:45:55.080]  Right.
[01:45:55.080 --> 01:46:07.080]  That identifies the Federal Reserve bank that is in control of your account number.
[01:46:07.080 --> 01:46:13.080]  Your account number, if you can think about, if you have an accusative number on a bond
[01:46:13.080 --> 01:46:16.080]  and an account number, it's a working account, an operating account,
[01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:20.080]  that's what the Social Security number with the dashes is.
[01:46:20.080 --> 01:46:27.080]  Okay. The identifying letter on the back and the number that's beyond that
[01:46:27.080 --> 01:46:34.080]  is that particular bank's account number for your Social Security account.
[01:46:34.080 --> 01:46:42.080]  You go to the Federal Reserve bank, that's what I'm trying to look up now,
[01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:45.080]  and I know I've got it here and I just can't find it.
[01:46:45.080 --> 01:46:54.080]  You go to the Federal Reserve bank for that letter, and as I say, if it's an E,
[01:46:54.080 --> 01:46:59.080]  that's Richmond, Virginia, and you look up the Richmond, Virginia routing number
[01:46:59.080 --> 01:47:03.080]  for that particular bank.
[01:47:03.080 --> 01:47:07.080]  The Federal Reserve bank of Richmond has its own routing number.
[01:47:07.080 --> 01:47:08.080]  Okay.
[01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:12.080]  And your account is identified by the number on the front and the back
[01:47:12.080 --> 01:47:14.080]  of your Social Security.
[01:47:14.080 --> 01:47:20.080]  So all the letter is doing is it's getting your correspondence
[01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:22.080]  and everything else done.
[01:47:22.080 --> 01:47:25.080]  Here we go.
[01:47:25.080 --> 01:47:27.080]  Here they are.
[01:47:27.080 --> 01:47:32.080]  A is Boston, B is New York, C is Philadelphia, D is Cleveland,
[01:47:32.080 --> 01:47:38.080]  E is Richmond, F is Atlanta, G is Chicago, H is St. Louis,
[01:47:38.080 --> 01:47:44.080]  I is Minneapolis, J is Kansas City, K is Dallas, and L is San Francisco.
[01:47:44.080 --> 01:47:49.080]  Now you go to the Boston account, and the bank name is Federal Reserve bank
[01:47:49.080 --> 01:47:51.080]  of Boston, and it's located in Boston.
[01:47:51.080 --> 01:47:58.080]  Its routing number is 0110-0001-5.
[01:47:58.080 --> 01:48:02.080]  It's eligible for book entry, and it's eligible for fund transfer.
[01:48:02.080 --> 01:48:08.080]  That means it can take wire, Federal wire.
[01:48:08.080 --> 01:48:09.080]  Okay.
[01:48:09.080 --> 01:48:13.080]  So that's how you add, and then all those other numbers you've got on the card,
[01:48:13.080 --> 01:48:18.080]  like the number on the front, if you're going to send them a check,
[01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:21.080]  you put that number, if you're going to wire that money,
[01:48:21.080 --> 01:48:25.080]  you put this number into the wire.
[01:48:25.080 --> 01:48:26.080]  The number on the back?
[01:48:26.080 --> 01:48:32.080]  0110-001-5.
[01:48:32.080 --> 01:48:38.080]  Then you skip over a few spaces, and you put your social without any dashes.
[01:48:38.080 --> 01:48:43.080]  And that's what you, and you put the same thing on the 1040 voucher.
[01:48:43.080 --> 01:48:46.080]  And you write your money order with those numbers on the bottom of it,
[01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:50.080]  and sign it just like you would a check.
[01:48:50.080 --> 01:48:55.080]  Pay it to whoever you're going to pay it to.
[01:48:55.080 --> 01:49:00.080]  Mail it with your 1040 and the voucher and that money order.
[01:49:00.080 --> 01:49:05.080]  Mine would be E, so that would be a different routing number.
[01:49:05.080 --> 01:49:08.080]  E is Richmond, Virginia.
[01:49:08.080 --> 01:49:09.080]  Right.
[01:49:09.080 --> 01:49:10.080]  Let me give you that one.
[01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:13.080]  Hang on a minute.
[01:49:13.080 --> 01:49:15.080]  I've got to drop down this list.
[01:49:15.080 --> 01:49:24.080]  Omaha, Houston.
[01:49:24.080 --> 01:49:25.080]  Hang on.
[01:49:25.080 --> 01:49:26.080]  I've got a lot more banks.
[01:49:26.080 --> 01:49:30.080]  See, they have sub, like there's a Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas
[01:49:30.080 --> 01:49:39.080]  and one in San Antonio, and I've got to find Richmond.
[01:49:39.080 --> 01:49:56.080]  Fortunately, they don't put these things.
[01:49:56.080 --> 01:49:58.080]  I apologize for taking so long.
[01:49:58.080 --> 01:49:59.080]  That's okay.
[01:49:59.080 --> 01:50:06.080]  Well, I've got to scroll through all this.
[01:50:06.080 --> 01:50:11.080]  There's a ledger or something that I could get it from or something?
[01:50:11.080 --> 01:50:15.080]  Well, I got it off the Federal Reserve website.
[01:50:15.080 --> 01:50:17.080]  Oh, okay.
[01:50:17.080 --> 01:50:19.080]  Well, if I could get it there, you know, we could just go.
[01:50:19.080 --> 01:50:22.080]  I mean, you pretty well answered my question otherwise, you know,
[01:50:22.080 --> 01:50:28.080]  so I could look that up on my own time here.
[01:50:28.080 --> 01:50:30.080]  It could, yeah, because we need to move along.
[01:50:30.080 --> 01:50:34.080]  We've got a couple more calls and we're down to eight minutes.
[01:50:34.080 --> 01:50:35.080]  I'll tell you what I'll do.
[01:50:35.080 --> 01:50:38.080]  I'll try and find that and I'll get it over to Deborah or Randy,
[01:50:38.080 --> 01:50:42.080]  and they can figure out how to maybe get it to you if you call back sometime.
[01:50:42.080 --> 01:50:44.080]  Yeah, you can email us.
[01:50:44.080 --> 01:50:47.080]  I can send somebody an email.
[01:50:47.080 --> 01:50:49.080]  Okay, I'll just put this up.
[01:50:49.080 --> 01:50:51.080]  Here it is here.
[01:50:51.080 --> 01:50:58.080]  Richmond's routing number is 0510-9999-2.
[01:50:58.080 --> 01:51:01.080]  Eligible for a fund transfer.
[01:51:01.080 --> 01:51:04.080]  They're ineligible for book entry security,
[01:51:04.080 --> 01:51:09.080]  so you can't deposit securities with them, but you can wire money to them.
[01:51:09.080 --> 01:51:11.080]  Okay.
[01:51:11.080 --> 01:51:13.080]  You want the one you can wire money to.
[01:51:13.080 --> 01:51:21.080]  The routing number on it is 0510-0003-3,
[01:51:21.080 --> 01:51:24.080]  Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, Richmond, Virginia.
[01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:26.080]  You want their telephone number?
[01:51:26.080 --> 01:51:32.080]  Okay, that's dynamite.
[01:51:32.080 --> 01:51:38.080]  My next question is I'm duking it out with the city over taxes, okay?
[01:51:38.080 --> 01:51:41.080]  And I got onto this kick.
[01:51:41.080 --> 01:51:47.080]  I couldn't figure out what made the liability because in Wisconsin we have this allodial,
[01:51:47.080 --> 01:51:49.080]  all lands are allodials.
[01:51:49.080 --> 01:51:52.080]  That really blew my mind how we can be allodial and pay taxes,
[01:51:52.080 --> 01:51:54.080]  which is what got me onto this thing.
[01:51:54.080 --> 01:52:03.080]  And when you mentioned the block, you know, or where they're monetizing in blocks.
[01:52:03.080 --> 01:52:05.080]  The block branch, yeah.
[01:52:05.080 --> 01:52:11.080]  Yes, what I did was I sent them a notice and demand for the Nexus under a UCC,
[01:52:11.080 --> 01:52:14.080]  what, 3-504, I think, number two,
[01:52:14.080 --> 01:52:18.080]  which showed me it displayed the instrument without dishonor,
[01:52:18.080 --> 01:52:23.080]  and they just ignored it, you know, and now they want to sue me for the taxes.
[01:52:23.080 --> 01:52:26.080]  So my question is, you know...
[01:52:26.080 --> 01:52:28.080]  Have them send you a bill.
[01:52:28.080 --> 01:52:29.080]  Pardon me?
[01:52:29.080 --> 01:52:34.080]  Call them tomorrow or Monday and have them send you a bill.
[01:52:34.080 --> 01:52:36.080]  I'm in arrears.
[01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:38.080]  I've got some interest and penalty.
[01:52:38.080 --> 01:52:40.080]  I want you to send me a bill,
[01:52:40.080 --> 01:52:43.080]  and I want you to step it out 30 days from today
[01:52:43.080 --> 01:52:50.080]  and increase it by whatever interest and penalty you would add onto it for the next 30 days.
[01:52:50.080 --> 01:52:51.080]  Okay.
[01:52:51.080 --> 01:52:56.080]  Then write them a money order and a 1040 voucher.
[01:52:56.080 --> 01:52:58.080]  And then send it back to them.
[01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:00.080]  Send it back to them.
[01:53:00.080 --> 01:53:03.080]  Right on the bottom of their bill or the top is a tear-out portion.
[01:53:03.080 --> 01:53:04.080]  It will be their coupon.
[01:53:04.080 --> 01:53:07.080]  Write the money order right on that.
[01:53:07.080 --> 01:53:09.080]  It says coupon, but it's on the small part on the bottom,
[01:53:09.080 --> 01:53:12.080]  and it's got like a big routing number on the bottom of it.
[01:53:12.080 --> 01:53:14.080]  That's the number that you want to use.
[01:53:14.080 --> 01:53:16.080]  That's where the money is going to go to.
[01:53:16.080 --> 01:53:18.080]  That's where it's going to settle and close the account.
[01:53:18.080 --> 01:53:20.080]  Don't separate it.
[01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:22.080]  Oh, don't separate it.
[01:53:22.080 --> 01:53:23.080]  Do not separate it.
[01:53:23.080 --> 01:53:25.080]  Send the whole farm back to them.
[01:53:25.080 --> 01:53:27.080]  When you get it in the mail,
[01:53:27.080 --> 01:53:33.080]  you should know who it's coming from when it's by the return address on the envelope.
[01:53:33.080 --> 01:53:34.080]  Do not open it.
[01:53:34.080 --> 01:53:36.080]  Go to a notary.
[01:53:36.080 --> 01:53:39.080]  Open it in front of a notary.
[01:53:39.080 --> 01:53:48.080]  Have the notary give you a certification of the true, correct, and complete original that she's copied
[01:53:48.080 --> 01:53:51.080]  or he's copied.
[01:53:51.080 --> 01:53:54.080]  She'll give you an affidavit to that effect.
[01:53:54.080 --> 01:53:56.080]  You keep the copy.
[01:53:56.080 --> 01:53:59.080]  You get a couple copies from her.
[01:53:59.080 --> 01:54:07.080]  You mail them back the money order with the 1040 voucher attached to it,
[01:54:07.080 --> 01:54:10.080]  or don't have it in the same envelope, but don't separate it.
[01:54:10.080 --> 01:54:13.080]  Leave it all together, the coupon and everything.
[01:54:13.080 --> 01:54:17.080]  Mail it as registered mail.
[01:54:17.080 --> 01:54:21.080]  And you do it, let the notary mail it for you, and get a notary,
[01:54:21.080 --> 01:54:28.080]  let her be the notary receptor so the green card comes back to her.
[01:54:28.080 --> 01:54:33.080]  And I would also include the 3-304, is that tender payment?
[01:54:33.080 --> 01:54:39.080]  3-304B, I believe it is.
[01:54:39.080 --> 01:54:45.080]  I'd go to Carnell Law and I'd copy that tender payment
[01:54:45.080 --> 01:54:54.080]  and have the Carnell logo on the page, and I'd include that in my copy.
[01:54:54.080 --> 01:55:00.080]  And if they don't send it back to you and they still come after you for the taxes,
[01:55:00.080 --> 01:55:04.080]  they're impeding the bankruptcy, and if you've sent it registered mail,
[01:55:04.080 --> 01:55:10.080]  then you get the postal inspector to investigate why in the world the thing was mailed under a notary seal
[01:55:10.080 --> 01:55:14.080]  and they haven't credited your tax.
[01:55:14.080 --> 01:55:18.080]  They're impeding the bankruptcy and they've got mail fraud problems
[01:55:18.080 --> 01:55:22.080]  if they don't return the instrument to you.
[01:55:22.080 --> 01:55:25.080]  Oh, they have to return the instrument to me?
[01:55:25.080 --> 01:55:28.080]  No, if they do, then there's a different approach.
[01:55:28.080 --> 01:55:34.080]  They normally will hold on to it, but they'll still try and get you to pay them in Federal Reserve notes,
[01:55:34.080 --> 01:55:37.080]  cashier's check, money order, or something else.
[01:55:37.080 --> 01:55:41.080]  They're not going to retake your promise or your money order the way you're doing it.
[01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:45.080]  But you are a subject of the great Satan in D.C.
[01:55:45.080 --> 01:55:54.080]  and he's obligated to pay your just obligations, discharge them, and this is one of them.
[01:55:54.080 --> 01:56:00.080]  Okay, so now they already gave this to a third-party attorney.
[01:56:00.080 --> 01:56:02.080]  That's even better.
[01:56:02.080 --> 01:56:03.080]  Oh, really?
[01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:06.080]  Oh, yeah.
[01:56:06.080 --> 01:56:09.080]  I'm all ears.
[01:56:09.080 --> 01:56:14.080]  Well, first of all, you need to find out how large a malpractice policy that third party has
[01:56:14.080 --> 01:56:17.080]  or who's his risk management company.
[01:56:17.080 --> 01:56:19.080]  Okay.
[01:56:19.080 --> 01:56:25.080]  And then you have to determine where is it that you and he have a contract.
[01:56:25.080 --> 01:56:27.080]  Okay.
[01:56:27.080 --> 01:56:33.080]  And you want to refuse all of his presentments for cause and return for-
[01:56:33.080 --> 01:56:42.080]  I A for V'd the one. I was told to A for V it, so I A for V'd it and returned for settlement.
[01:56:42.080 --> 01:56:46.080]  Well, I don't use that phrase.
[01:56:46.080 --> 01:56:55.080]  I put accepted and returned for assessed value, closure, and settlement of this accounting.
[01:56:55.080 --> 01:56:57.080]  Oh.
[01:56:57.080 --> 01:57:00.080]  Yeah, there is a very particular statement you have to put on those.
[01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:03.080]  Did I get myself in trouble?
[01:57:03.080 --> 01:57:04.080]  No.
[01:57:04.080 --> 01:57:06.080]  Don't send you more than one bill.
[01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:09.080]  If you don't pay it, they'll send you another bill.
[01:57:09.080 --> 01:57:10.080]  Okay, listen, listen.
[01:57:10.080 --> 01:57:11.080]  I have an announcement to make.
[01:57:11.080 --> 01:57:13.080]  Okay, we're about to get to the top of the hour.
[01:57:13.080 --> 01:57:14.080]  It's the midnight hour.
[01:57:14.080 --> 01:57:18.080]  This is normally when our show ends.
[01:57:18.080 --> 01:57:20.080]  I've had communication with Eddie and Randy.
[01:57:20.080 --> 01:57:24.080]  They've agreed to go into overtime to finish taking the calls left on the board.
[01:57:24.080 --> 01:57:29.080]  Paul, you're welcome to join us if you want to stay up past midnight,
[01:57:29.080 --> 01:57:31.080]  but I just want to put that out there.
[01:57:31.080 --> 01:57:35.080]  We do have to go to break at the top of the hour for our affiliates.
[01:57:35.080 --> 01:57:39.080]  So callers, stay on the line, and we will take the rest of your calls.
[01:57:39.080 --> 01:57:40.080]  Let me ask quickly.
[01:57:40.080 --> 01:57:42.080]  How many callers do you have on the line?
[01:57:42.080 --> 01:57:44.080]  We've got about four more right now.
[01:57:44.080 --> 01:57:46.080]  Well, I'll stay through four calls.
[01:57:46.080 --> 01:57:48.080]  And if you want me to, if you don't, then I-
[01:57:48.080 --> 01:57:52.080]  Of course.
[01:57:52.080 --> 01:57:56.080]  Okay.
[01:57:56.080 --> 01:57:58.080]  Are we at break then?
[01:57:58.080 --> 01:58:00.080]  Okay, yep, we're coming up to break.
[01:58:00.080 --> 01:58:03.080]  Doug, do you want to hang- I'm sorry, Gene, do you want to hang on the line?
[01:58:03.080 --> 01:58:04.080]  Oh, certainly.
[01:58:04.080 --> 01:58:08.080]  Okay, we've got Amy, Doug, Gene, and Hans.
[01:58:08.080 --> 01:58:10.080]  We'll be back in just a few minutes.
[01:58:10.080 --> 01:58:14.080]  We're going to take a short break at the top of the hour here at midnight,
[01:58:14.080 --> 01:58:18.080]  and we're going into overtime mode here on Rule of Law Radio.
[01:58:18.080 --> 01:58:28.080]  We'll be back in just a few minutes.
[01:58:48.080 --> 01:58:58.080]  Come on.
[01:59:18.080 --> 01:59:28.080]  Come on.
[01:59:48.080 --> 01:59:58.080]  Come on.