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[04:41.200 --> 04:45.200]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
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[05:00.200 --> 05:02.200]  so why are you acting like a bloody fool?
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[05:24.200 --> 05:32.200]  All right, you are listening to the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[05:32.200 --> 05:41.200]  Tonight's Thursday night, August 13th, and we've got a couple of calls on the board already.
[05:41.200 --> 05:43.200]  We see you there, George and Steve.
[05:43.200 --> 05:46.200]  We're gonna go to you guys in just a few minutes.
[05:46.200 --> 05:53.200]  But first, to start off the show, Randy and I want to discuss bias against pro se litigants
[05:53.200 --> 06:04.200]  and how to recognize it right off the bat and possible remedies for this sort of situation.
[06:04.200 --> 06:09.200]  Yes, yes. That's been a concern.
[06:09.200 --> 06:14.200]  I do rather extensive research.
[06:14.200 --> 06:20.200]  And when I put an issue before the court and ask the court to do something,
[06:20.200 --> 06:25.200]  I have all the law I need to support what I ask them to do.
[06:25.200 --> 06:29.200]  I don't ask the court to do something they're not required to do
[06:29.200 --> 06:32.200]  and hope that they'll rule in my favor.
[06:32.200 --> 06:36.200]  You know, I'm not an attorney where you get two attorneys that come in with clients
[06:36.200 --> 06:44.200]  who have issues that are, it's hard to tell which one's right and which one's wrong.
[06:44.200 --> 06:48.200]  And you hope the judge rules in your favor.
[06:48.200 --> 06:52.200]  Well, that's not what I put before the court.
[06:52.200 --> 07:00.200]  The law says this, and it says you must do this thing, so do this thing.
[07:00.200 --> 07:04.200]  And the judge doesn't do that.
[07:04.200 --> 07:08.200]  How many people out there has had that experience?
[07:08.200 --> 07:14.200]  I suspect a number of you, any of those who've had actual interaction with the courts,
[07:14.200 --> 07:19.200]  especially if you are pro se.
[07:19.200 --> 07:29.200]  I was in Wichita Falls and a judge admonished me about coming before the court pro se
[07:29.200 --> 07:34.200]  and assured me that he would hold me to the same standard that he would an attorney.
[07:34.200 --> 07:41.200]  And I said, I certainly hope so, but that has not been my experience.
[07:41.200 --> 07:44.200]  Well, Mr. Kelton, just what has been your experience?
[07:44.200 --> 07:47.200]  Well, it's been my experience, Your Honor, that you will not hold me to the same standard.
[07:47.200 --> 07:50.200]  You'll hold me to a much higher standard.
[07:50.200 --> 07:54.200]  You'll make me jump through every legal hoop you can find.
[07:54.200 --> 07:58.200]  And when you run out, you'll make me jump through some that you just made up.
[07:58.200 --> 08:04.200]  And when I have, you'll summarily rule against me out of hand.
[08:04.200 --> 08:06.200]  That's been my experience.
[08:06.200 --> 08:11.200]  So I certainly hope you treat me the same as you do this attorney over here.
[08:11.200 --> 08:13.200]  Well, he didn't.
[08:13.200 --> 08:16.200]  And somehow I was not surprised.
[08:16.200 --> 08:25.200]  And we get an inordinate amount of people calling in, complaining about the exact same thing.
[08:25.200 --> 08:31.200]  And a lot of times I get people telling me precisely what the law is.
[08:31.200 --> 08:37.200]  And when I'm trying to give them an idea about how to handle themselves in court,
[08:37.200 --> 08:39.200]  and they say, well, the law says this and the law says that.
[08:39.200 --> 08:41.200]  See, I know that.
[08:41.200 --> 08:43.200]  I know what the law says.
[08:43.200 --> 08:46.200]  I also know what the judges are doing.
[08:46.200 --> 08:51.200]  And when we go into court, regardless of what the law says,
[08:51.200 --> 08:56.200]  we have to keep in mind what's actually happening in the world we live in.
[08:56.200 --> 09:04.200]  And in the world we live in, judges tend to consistently be biased against proceeds.
[09:04.200 --> 09:09.200]  Now, let me qualify that.
[09:09.200 --> 09:17.200]  I have a situation where a magistrate has looked at the paperwork,
[09:17.200 --> 09:25.200]  and he knows full well it's garbage.
[09:25.200 --> 09:32.200]  But he's got a prosecutor telling him, oh, you know where the law says you can do this thing?
[09:32.200 --> 09:35.200]  You really can't do that.
[09:35.200 --> 09:37.200]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, Randy, back up.
[09:37.200 --> 09:41.200]  He's looked at some paperwork and seen that what is garbage.
[09:41.200 --> 09:45.200]  He's looked at criminal charges, and he knows they're non-charges.
[09:45.200 --> 09:47.200]  Against you, you're talking about?
[09:47.200 --> 09:49.200]  Well, I wasn't going to say that, but yeah, against me.
[09:49.200 --> 09:51.200]  Okay, I'm just trying to figure out what's going on here.
[09:51.200 --> 10:00.200]  It's clear these are non-charges, but a prosecutor who has no standing
[10:00.200 --> 10:09.200]  sent him a motion to dismiss the hearing and maintained in the motion
[10:09.200 --> 10:13.200]  that the law forbid him to have it, to have the hearing.
[10:13.200 --> 10:22.200]  And he already had my documentation that it was clear that not only could he do this,
[10:22.200 --> 10:30.200]  it was his duty, but things aren't moving ahead.
[10:30.200 --> 10:38.200]  And I have enough, you know, I've talked to this person before this,
[10:38.200 --> 10:41.200]  so I kind of got an idea of what kind of person he is.
[10:41.200 --> 10:45.200]  He's a person who really wants to do the right thing,
[10:45.200 --> 10:48.200]  but he's not moving ahead with this hearing.
[10:48.200 --> 10:55.200]  And the only reason I can figure is that he's not an attorney,
[10:55.200 --> 11:00.200]  and he has attorneys telling him things.
[11:00.200 --> 11:06.200]  And it's hard for him to ignore what attorneys are telling him,
[11:06.200 --> 11:11.200]  especially if you're a lower court judge, an inferior court judge,
[11:11.200 --> 11:14.200]  and you have learned counsel telling you something.
[11:14.200 --> 11:19.200]  You don't want to say, well, that attorney's lying like a dog to me.
[11:19.200 --> 11:26.200]  This is the same office that represents cases before him all the time,
[11:26.200 --> 11:31.200]  and now he has to consider that they're lying like a dog to him.
[11:31.200 --> 11:39.200]  And in this case, he kind of really knows, and he really is one of us in that
[11:39.200 --> 11:46.200]  he only wants to do what's right, but he's still reluctant to move ahead.
[11:46.200 --> 11:56.200]  Because I'm pro se, I should have asked him to appoint counsel the first day.
[11:56.200 --> 12:03.200]  Now, I can kick counsels behind, but I can't even talk to the judge.
[12:03.200 --> 12:12.200]  So the problem I have is somebody else is communicating with him and lying to him,
[12:12.200 --> 12:15.200]  and I can put my emotions in front of him, but I'm not an attorney.
[12:15.200 --> 12:20.200]  So he assumes, just like I assumed when I first read the penal code,
[12:20.200 --> 12:22.200]  that I missed something.
[12:22.200 --> 12:25.200]  When I first read the penal code and then looked at what they were doing,
[12:25.200 --> 12:29.200]  and the code of criminal procedure, I thought,
[12:29.200 --> 12:33.200]  this can't be so dramatically different.
[12:33.200 --> 12:34.200]  There's got to be something wrong.
[12:34.200 --> 12:37.200]  I have to have missed something.
[12:37.200 --> 12:40.200]  After 30 years' research, I didn't miss a thing.
[12:40.200 --> 12:42.200]  But here we have the judge in the same place.
[12:42.200 --> 12:44.200]  He thinks he must have missed something.
[12:44.200 --> 12:47.200]  Well, there's got to be a way to get the judges to pay attention to
[12:47.200 --> 12:49.200]  pro se litigants' motions.
[12:49.200 --> 12:58.200]  In the case of criminal charges, we shouldn't have to accept a court-appointed attorney.
[12:58.200 --> 13:01.200]  In many cases, they're just not going to appoint you one anyway,
[13:01.200 --> 13:04.200]  because if they don't feel that you're indigent, you're just not going to get one.
[13:04.200 --> 13:09.200]  They'll just tell you, you are not indigent, you can afford an attorney,
[13:09.200 --> 13:12.200]  go get an attorney, and then when you keep coming back without an attorney,
[13:12.200 --> 13:16.200]  eventually they'll just lock you up for contempt of court.
[13:16.200 --> 13:18.200]  I had that happen to a friend of mine.
[13:18.200 --> 13:21.200]  And so it's like if the judge doesn't want to consider you indigent,
[13:21.200 --> 13:24.200]  he's just not going to give you an attorney.
[13:24.200 --> 13:27.200]  And so then eventually you get locked up for contempt.
[13:27.200 --> 13:29.200]  And so the whole thing is just BS.
[13:29.200 --> 13:36.200]  There has to be a way for these judges to pay attention to our motions as pro se.
[13:36.200 --> 13:43.200]  What I'm getting at is I don't think all the judges are just insensitive ogres.
[13:43.200 --> 13:47.200]  And what if it's a civil case, then there's no such thing as a court-appointed attorney.
[13:47.200 --> 13:48.200]  Right.
[13:48.200 --> 13:56.200]  But even in this case, this is a judge that Ken talked to him for quite a while
[13:56.200 --> 14:00.200]  when he was running for office, and this guy clearly wants to do what's right.
[14:00.200 --> 14:04.200]  And before all of this occurred, I had talked to him once about what I do,
[14:04.200 --> 14:09.200]  and it was clear this guy wanted to do what was right.
[14:09.200 --> 14:11.200]  It's not looking so clear to me.
[14:11.200 --> 14:16.200]  Okay, so I have a judge that I know wants to do what's right, but he's not an attorney.
[14:16.200 --> 14:24.200]  And he has attorneys advising him to do things that he has to know is not according to law.
[14:24.200 --> 14:27.200]  Well, it sounds to me like it's more than advising.
[14:27.200 --> 14:33.200]  I mean, this district attorney, from what you told me, filed a motion in the case,
[14:33.200 --> 14:36.200]  and he has no standing to file a motion in the case
[14:36.200 --> 14:41.200]  because he's not the district attorney in the county or the district where the charges originated.
[14:41.200 --> 14:45.200]  So he has no business filing any motions anyway.
[14:45.200 --> 14:48.200]  Here's my concern. Yeah, all of that's true.
[14:48.200 --> 14:50.200]  So it's a lot more than just advising.
[14:50.200 --> 14:53.200]  There's a hijacking going on of the case.
[14:53.200 --> 14:56.200]  I'm not talking about the attorneys. They're all liars.
[14:56.200 --> 14:58.200]  I don't care about the attorneys.
[14:58.200 --> 14:59.200]  I was talking about the district attorneys.
[14:59.200 --> 15:01.200]  The attorneys are going to lie, and they're going to manipulate.
[15:01.200 --> 15:02.200]  I know they're going to do this.
[15:02.200 --> 15:04.200]  That's not the one I'm concerned about.
[15:04.200 --> 15:07.200]  I'm concerned about the position the judge is in.
[15:07.200 --> 15:16.200]  And we have to understand where he's at before we can understand how to get to it.
[15:16.200 --> 15:25.200]  And this one clearly wants to do what's right, but he's concerned about doing something wrong.
[15:25.200 --> 15:27.200]  Otherwise, this would have went ahead.
[15:27.200 --> 15:29.200]  Well, here's one suggestion.
[15:29.200 --> 15:33.200]  This district attorney who has no standing, who's filed motions in the case,
[15:33.200 --> 15:39.200]  we need to somehow get this guy bumped out of the way by perhaps a different court.
[15:39.200 --> 15:43.200]  And that would show this JP that, well, you know,
[15:43.200 --> 15:47.200]  maybe he ought to not be listening to this district attorney here
[15:47.200 --> 15:52.200]  because he's obviously getting himself in trouble by having anything to do with this at all.
[15:52.200 --> 15:55.200]  So maybe he doesn't know what he's doing after all.
[15:55.200 --> 15:56.200]  So maybe you shouldn't listen to him.
[15:56.200 --> 15:57.200]  Yeah, I did that.
[15:57.200 --> 16:06.200]  I filed an answer to his motion, demonstrated how he had no standing in the case,
[16:06.200 --> 16:11.200]  that the magistrate had special statutory standing.
[16:11.200 --> 16:13.200]  But this guy had none.
[16:13.200 --> 16:16.200]  And I did all that.
[16:16.200 --> 16:21.200]  Maybe it wasn't an aggressive enough maneuver to bump him out of the way.
[16:21.200 --> 16:22.200]  You've got to know where he lives.
[16:22.200 --> 16:26.200]  We've got to understand where the judge lives.
[16:26.200 --> 16:32.200]  There are actually some judges out there that really do want to do the right thing.
[16:32.200 --> 16:35.200]  Right. I mean, maybe your maneuver to bump this DA out of the way
[16:35.200 --> 16:42.200]  that has no standing wasn't aggressive enough to actually get him out of the way
[16:42.200 --> 16:47.200]  to prove a point and to show this JP, you know, don't listen to this guy.
[16:47.200 --> 16:50.200]  Because then you're appealing to the same guy.
[16:50.200 --> 16:53.200]  I mean, just by filing a motion, you're just appealing to the same guy you're trying to convince.
[16:53.200 --> 16:55.200]  Maybe we need to appeal to someone else.
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[20:06.200 --> 20:14.200]  OK, we are back.
[20:14.200 --> 20:19.200]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on Thursday night.
[20:19.200 --> 20:22.200]  We're going to start taking your calls soon.
[20:22.200 --> 20:28.200]  We're discussing the issue of how to overcome bias against pro se's, you know,
[20:28.200 --> 20:31.200]  and Randy's going to talk some more about that.
[20:31.200 --> 20:33.200]  One of my suggestions was to, you know,
[20:33.200 --> 20:36.200]  start making examples out of some of these people that get in the way
[20:36.200 --> 20:41.200]  or try to distract these well-meaning judges like this district attorney up here
[20:41.200 --> 20:47.200]  who actually filed motions in the case when he didn't even have standing or grounds to.
[20:47.200 --> 20:57.200]  And one of the examples I was going to bring up was this attorney Stork right here in our very own Austin, Texas.
[20:57.200 --> 21:02.200]  There was a case here involving attorney Stork.
[21:02.200 --> 21:09.200]  This was discussed on Gary Johnson's show a few nights ago and it involved estate fraud
[21:09.200 --> 21:17.200]  regarding the handling of estates of people who were about to die
[21:17.200 --> 21:22.200]  and had to have this attorney set up these trusts and these people had passed away.
[21:22.200 --> 21:28.200]  And there was some fraud going on robbing Peter to pay Paul to cover his tracks
[21:28.200 --> 21:34.200]  because he was dipping out of the estates that he was supposed to be a trustee for.
[21:34.200 --> 21:39.200]  And on Gary Johnson's show the other night they were discussing,
[21:39.200 --> 21:47.200]  you'd never seen the tears flying in a courtroom when Judge Bob Perkins
[21:47.200 --> 21:53.200]  and the district attorney were just like in tears sobbing about that.
[21:53.200 --> 21:57.200]  They had to sentence this attorney Stork to 15 years
[21:57.200 --> 22:01.200]  and we're so sorry, we're so sorry we have to do this to you
[22:01.200 --> 22:08.200]  and we've given you so many chances and we apologize greatly that it's come to this
[22:08.200 --> 22:10.200]  but you've left us no choice.
[22:10.200 --> 22:16.200]  Basically they had to throw him under the bus because what he had done was so outrageous and so over the top.
[22:16.200 --> 22:24.200]  But no one ever said anything in those court proceedings or during the whole trial of Stork
[22:24.200 --> 22:28.200]  concerning the fact that there was these three women here
[22:28.200 --> 22:32.200]  who had gotten completely robbed out of their inheritances.
[22:32.200 --> 22:41.200]  Oh I guess forget about them, poor little Weasley thieving attorney.
[22:41.200 --> 22:45.200]  So it's like well he had to get thrown under the bus, there was no other choice.
[22:45.200 --> 22:53.200]  And so I guess one of my suggestions was we get this DA who's filing motions in this case
[22:53.200 --> 22:57.200]  and advising this JP, get this guy thrown under the bus.
[22:57.200 --> 23:03.200]  And maybe these judges will start thinking twice about well maybe we shouldn't be paying attention
[23:03.200 --> 23:08.200]  to what these people are telling us after all because obviously they don't know what they're doing
[23:08.200 --> 23:15.200]  because they're getting indicted here and their careers are getting ended
[23:15.200 --> 23:19.200]  so why should I want to listen to them to give me legal advice as a judge
[23:19.200 --> 23:24.200]  when apparently they don't know what they're doing or what they're talking about anyway?
[23:24.200 --> 23:29.200]  Yeah and that goes right to the point, that is dead on.
[23:29.200 --> 23:39.200]  I've been in front of Judge Perkins and frankly of all of the judges I've been around
[23:39.200 --> 23:46.200]  he was one of the most pleasant and personable I ever got in front of.
[23:46.200 --> 23:52.200]  And for him I understand why he felt the way he did.
[23:52.200 --> 23:59.200]  Even the prosecutor, both of them feel like they're going to be ostracized
[23:59.200 --> 24:02.200]  and that's the worst thing that can happen.
[24:02.200 --> 24:10.200]  Well he's probably given them plenty of kickbacks too so of course they're sad to see their money tree going to jail.
[24:10.200 --> 24:17.200]  This thing about being ostracized from the group, you know the Catholic Church
[24:17.200 --> 24:22.200]  the worst thing that could happen to you is excommunication.
[24:22.200 --> 24:31.200]  I remember when back in 1968 when we had these two sides
[24:31.200 --> 24:39.200]  we had all those long hard ignorant hippies telling us that going halfway around the world
[24:39.200 --> 24:44.200]  and killing these people who were fighting for their freedom was a bad idea.
[24:44.200 --> 24:48.200]  And then we had our parents and our neighbors and all our friends
[24:48.200 --> 24:54.200]  and all the people we knew telling us how heroic it was to go in the military
[24:54.200 --> 25:00.200]  and do our part and protect freedom.
[25:00.200 --> 25:06.200]  Well I did the wrong thing.
[25:06.200 --> 25:09.200]  I listened to the second group.
[25:09.200 --> 25:14.200]  I didn't listen to the first group who were telling me the truth.
[25:14.200 --> 25:21.200]  And in my later years I come to realize they were the real heroes
[25:21.200 --> 25:30.200]  because they were willing to risk being excommunicated from their social structure
[25:30.200 --> 25:36.200]  simply because what they were doing was right.
[25:36.200 --> 25:40.200]  I understand how hard that had to be.
[25:40.200 --> 25:44.200]  I did not have the courage to do it myself.
[25:44.200 --> 25:50.200]  And now I'm looking at these judges, they're in that same position.
[25:50.200 --> 25:55.200]  I have no need to vilify them or to demonize them.
[25:55.200 --> 26:01.200]  If I'm going to beat them I have to understand where they live and what the pressures are.
[26:01.200 --> 26:06.200]  In your example Deborah was dead on.
[26:06.200 --> 26:14.200]  They had to do this because the guy was such a low down rotten scoundrel.
[26:14.200 --> 26:17.200]  But they hated it. They were terrified.
[26:17.200 --> 26:22.200]  Poor little attorney. Poor little Weasley attorney. My gosh.
[26:22.200 --> 26:26.200]  It's a natured human animal.
[26:26.200 --> 26:33.200]  But no mention of these poor women who got their entire inheritances robbed from them.
[26:33.200 --> 26:36.200]  And it's going to go on for years and years and years.
[26:36.200 --> 26:42.200]  It was an accounting nightmare that will take literally years to sort out,
[26:42.200 --> 26:48.200]  to find out what is actually left out of what account.
[26:48.200 --> 26:51.200]  It would be good for the grandkids.
[26:51.200 --> 26:54.200]  Well, the thing is, is there going to be...
[26:54.200 --> 26:57.200]  They'll be passing away and have to give it to the grandkids.
[26:57.200 --> 27:03.200]  Well, the problem is there's not going to be much left because Stork robbed it all. That's the whole point.
[27:03.200 --> 27:11.200]  Well, the whole idea here is let's try to understand where the judge lives.
[27:11.200 --> 27:18.200]  Once we understand where he lives, then we know where his weak places are.
[27:18.200 --> 27:22.200]  It's not enough for us to just vilify the judge and call him a scoundrel.
[27:22.200 --> 27:30.200]  I mean, that might make us feel better, but it doesn't get us to an equitable outcome.
[27:30.200 --> 27:33.200]  I want to sting the judge really good.
[27:33.200 --> 27:40.200]  I want to find a way of making me more dangerous than the attorneys,
[27:40.200 --> 27:53.200]  of making it worse for him to rule against a pro se than to be ostracized from his attorney community.
[27:53.200 --> 27:55.200]  That's where I was going.
[27:55.200 --> 28:06.200]  And what I was going to do is talk about how do we defend ourselves as proses
[28:06.200 --> 28:09.200]  against judges who will rule against us out of hand.
[28:09.200 --> 28:18.200]  I have some suggestions. I've been working on this part, but I wanted to hear the caller suggestions.
[28:18.200 --> 28:25.200]  The problem is you've got a whole stack of callers, and they were callers before I framed this issue,
[28:25.200 --> 28:29.200]  so they probably are going to ask questions on something else.
[28:29.200 --> 28:34.200]  So we're going to go to break in a little bit, and when we come back, we'll take some callers.
[28:34.200 --> 28:38.200]  But I'd like the listeners to kind of be thinking about this.
[28:38.200 --> 28:44.200]  How do we handle judges that rule against us out of hand?
[28:44.200 --> 28:52.200]  And one of the ways I'm doing it right now is I'm preparing a demand for findings of fact and conclusions at law
[28:52.200 --> 28:57.200]  before the judge has found his facts and made his conclusions at law.
[28:57.200 --> 29:06.200]  I demand that he show me why he rules the way he does on this issue and this issue and this issue and this issue and this issue.
[29:06.200 --> 29:13.200]  I name them all, and that's to keep the judge from just overruling a motion out of hand.
[29:13.200 --> 29:21.200]  But I'm sure the listeners could come up with some really elegant ways of going after the judge.
[29:21.200 --> 29:25.200]  So when we come back from break, we'll start taking some calls.
[29:25.200 --> 29:31.200]  I'd like to think about it, and call in, and guns are not an option.
[29:31.200 --> 29:38.200]  Well, yeah, and Jurisdictionary offers some solutions to that into through the appeal process
[29:38.200 --> 29:44.200]  and setting up your case from the beginning to be ready for the appellate court
[29:44.200 --> 29:50.200]  and little things you can put in the case to let the judge know that it's going to get appealed if he doesn't do what he's supposed to
[29:50.200 --> 29:54.200]  and have the higher court slap down these lower judges.
[29:54.200 --> 29:58.200]  All right, we'll be right back.
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[31:23.200 --> 31:25.200]  All right, when you going to stop abuse?
[31:25.200 --> 31:30.200]  Your power, Mr. Officer.
[31:30.200 --> 31:33.200]  We talk about you on the radio.
[31:33.200 --> 31:35.200]  People complain about you.
[31:35.200 --> 31:39.200]  Okay, we are going to go to the caller board now.
[31:39.200 --> 31:42.200]  We've got George in Texas.
[31:42.200 --> 31:44.200]  Hey, George, thanks for calling in.
[31:44.200 --> 31:46.200]  So do you have an answer to Randy's question?
[31:46.200 --> 31:49.200]  Any suggestions or do you have another topic?
[31:49.200 --> 31:50.200]  What's going on?
[31:50.200 --> 31:52.200]  Well, something very, very similar.
[31:52.200 --> 31:57.200]  Last weekend, went to a convenience store, got two Lyric Coke
[31:57.200 --> 32:02.200]  and some microwave popcorn because we were going to watch a movie.
[32:02.200 --> 32:09.200]  The poor girl, she was about seven months pregnant, and she was the clerk behind.
[32:09.200 --> 32:19.200]  The Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission arrested this woman because she took an out-of-state ID.
[32:19.200 --> 32:22.200]  The person was old enough to buy beer,
[32:22.200 --> 32:29.200]  but the Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission don't like the clerks to take an out-of-state ID,
[32:29.200 --> 32:31.200]  so they arrested her.
[32:31.200 --> 32:35.200]  And I written a criminal procedure in her car, and I asked the question.
[32:35.200 --> 32:38.200]  I said, what's this about no out-of-state ID?
[32:38.200 --> 32:41.200]  Isn't there a full-face clause in the United States Constitution
[32:41.200 --> 32:46.200]  that every driver's license in all 50 states are recognized in each state?
[32:46.200 --> 32:49.200]  And is she going to a magistrate?
[32:49.200 --> 32:52.200]  And they had to uncuff her right there.
[32:52.200 --> 32:54.200]  You mean you were there when they did it?
[32:54.200 --> 32:57.200]  Yeah. I said, are you going to take her to a magistrate?
[32:57.200 --> 33:00.200]  Oh, George to the rescue.
[33:00.200 --> 33:08.200]  That's another bureaucracy that's out of control, Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission.
[33:08.200 --> 33:17.200]  Okay, they arrested her for taking a valid ID that was not in the state of Texas ID.
[33:17.200 --> 33:20.200]  Well, I'd like to know what the actual law says on that.
[33:20.200 --> 33:31.200]  Is there a law that says that only Texas state-issued IDs are suitable for acceptance to prove your age for drinking?
[33:31.200 --> 33:39.200]  If there's no law that says it has to be a Texas ID, then these TABC thugs can be sued
[33:39.200 --> 33:42.200]  and brought up in front of a grand jury for what they did.
[33:42.200 --> 33:45.200]  George, do you have a video camera?
[33:45.200 --> 33:48.200]  Oh, I get the surveillance footage from the store.
[33:48.200 --> 33:56.200]  Get the surveillance footage from the store, put it on YouTube, and warn everybody.
[33:56.200 --> 34:10.200]  If you come to Texas and you show an ID that's not a Texas ID, whoever accepts your ID, this is what will happen to them.
[34:10.200 --> 34:15.200]  YouTube has to be one of the most powerful tools we have out there.
[34:15.200 --> 34:21.200]  Yeah, and you know what I would do too? Let's contact the Taurus Commission.
[34:21.200 --> 34:23.200]  And the governor.
[34:23.200 --> 34:31.200]  Because this is going to hit the pocketbooks of everyone in the state who thrives off the tourist industry.
[34:31.200 --> 34:34.200]  And Austin is a big tourist town.
[34:34.200 --> 34:42.200]  So we have to make it a big deal in the public around the powers that be that,
[34:42.200 --> 34:49.200]  hey, don't come to Texas anymore for tourism because this is how you're going to get treated,
[34:49.200 --> 34:51.200]  and this is how our employees are going to get treated.
[34:51.200 --> 34:54.200]  The bartenders, the people at the convenience stores.
[34:54.200 --> 34:58.200]  So do not come here, people, because you could be next.
[34:58.200 --> 35:02.200]  Wait a minute, Deborah. Something's wrong with George.
[35:02.200 --> 35:03.200]  Well, the thing is, the person was...
[35:03.200 --> 35:06.200]  Wait, wait, George. There's something wrong here.
[35:06.200 --> 35:07.200]  Yeah?
[35:07.200 --> 35:10.200]  You've been watching our show all this time.
[35:10.200 --> 35:11.200]  Uh-huh.
[35:11.200 --> 35:16.200]  What should you have done?
[35:16.200 --> 35:18.200]  What should I have done?
[35:18.200 --> 35:19.200]  Yeah.
[35:19.200 --> 35:22.200]  Well, they're not back in town yet.
[35:22.200 --> 35:25.200]  What are the officers' names?
[35:25.200 --> 35:26.200]  What are the officers' names?
[35:26.200 --> 35:27.200]  Yeah.
[35:27.200 --> 35:30.200]  Carol Roy and Martin.
[35:30.200 --> 35:35.200]  Did you file criminal charges against them for false imprisonment?
[35:35.200 --> 35:40.200]  Uh, no, but I told them. I said, I'll follow you guys down to the magistrate.
[35:40.200 --> 35:46.200]  Hold your face close to the microphone so I can whack you across the air.
[35:46.200 --> 35:50.200]  No, but they had to uncover. I said, I'll follow her to the magistrate.
[35:50.200 --> 35:54.200]  Because I have the criminal procedure on my wall that I can't remember in my mind.
[35:54.200 --> 35:58.200]  But I said, according to this criminal procedure, you've got to take her to her magistrate.
[35:58.200 --> 36:00.200]  And they had to uncover right there.
[36:00.200 --> 36:04.200]  So did they just let her go and didn't arrest her?
[36:04.200 --> 36:07.200]  Yep. No citation, no nothing.
[36:07.200 --> 36:11.200]  Okay. You should have got their names and filed criminal charges against them.
[36:11.200 --> 36:14.200]  But you have the tapes.
[36:14.200 --> 36:17.200]  Go down and ask them for the tapes.
[36:17.200 --> 36:20.200]  Make a copy. Put it on YouTube.
[36:20.200 --> 36:25.200]  And send a copy to the governor's office.
[36:25.200 --> 36:29.200]  It won't go to the governor. It'll go to one of his aides.
[36:29.200 --> 36:33.200]  And when they know that this is on YouTube,
[36:33.200 --> 36:43.200]  and, you know, just dub into the video or, you know, go down and do an interview with the woman they tried to arrest.
[36:43.200 --> 36:47.200]  And that'll get you a dub in that you can add to the video.
[36:47.200 --> 36:53.200]  That she had the audacity to accept an ID from someone out of state.
[36:53.200 --> 36:56.200]  And this is what happens if they do.
[36:56.200 --> 37:02.200]  That'll go to a governor's aide. And the governor's aide, when they look at it, will get apoplexy.
[37:02.200 --> 37:06.200]  Well, you know, the thing is, I like recommended, because I had an agent there, I said,
[37:06.200 --> 37:13.200]  you know, when I worked in Florida, the Anheuser-Busch or Miller Lite will give you a book.
[37:13.200 --> 37:20.200]  It has the IDs and passports and everything from all 50 states, even Canada and Mexico.
[37:20.200 --> 37:28.200]  And it will tell you the characteristics of the ID and how, you know, it's just of all the 50 states.
[37:28.200 --> 37:34.200]  If you want to get an out of state ID, you can look inside this book and compare.
[37:34.200 --> 37:40.200]  Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission don't even want to bring that book in.
[37:40.200 --> 37:45.200]  Did they, the officers, say anything about it?
[37:45.200 --> 37:51.200]  Wait a minute. The officers weren't concerned that it was apparently, from what I got,
[37:51.200 --> 37:54.200]  they weren't concerned that it was a valid ID?
[37:54.200 --> 37:57.200]  Yeah.
[37:57.200 --> 38:00.200]  They didn't seem to care at all.
[38:00.200 --> 38:09.200]  The person was under 25, so he must be underage and, you know, with an ID and all that stuff.
[38:09.200 --> 38:11.200]  But, you know, that's the way it is.
[38:11.200 --> 38:15.200]  But you know what the thing is, even like when I had a Florida license, you know,
[38:15.200 --> 38:20.200]  I bought cigarettes, I bought, you know, stuff that you had to be over 18.
[38:20.200 --> 38:27.200]  They accepted my ID, but if you're under 25, they treat you different.
[38:27.200 --> 38:36.200]  Yeah, well, they check my ID every once in a while, but they only do it to make me feel better.
[38:36.200 --> 38:45.200]  You should get the video, get the security video, put it on YouTube.
[38:45.200 --> 38:49.200]  The whole thing is about giving them reason not to do this.
[38:49.200 --> 38:58.200]  This will give ATF a black eye, and that's our job. That's your job.
[38:58.200 --> 39:05.200]  Well, have you heard of any of the dirty tricks of the TABC polling on these stings?
[39:05.200 --> 39:10.200]  You have some of the dirty tricks? I haven't, no.
[39:10.200 --> 39:14.200]  Well, they'll sit in the parking lot overnight.
[39:14.200 --> 39:19.200]  They'll sit in the parking lot and they'll wait until the whole store gets swamped,
[39:19.200 --> 39:22.200]  where they've got a whole bunch of customers, only one person there.
[39:22.200 --> 39:30.200]  And then they will try to, how do they say, try to catch them off guard when they're like really, really busy.
[39:30.200 --> 39:36.200]  And usually, even in Florida, I noticed that these cases where they use these tactics,
[39:36.200 --> 39:45.200]  the jury usually quits them because there was no criminal intent to sell.
[39:45.200 --> 39:52.200]  But see, these guys don't care. You may beat, how does the term go?
[39:52.200 --> 39:58.200]  You may beat the time, but you won't beat the ride.
[39:58.200 --> 40:02.200]  They have to go through all of this adjudication process anyway.
[40:02.200 --> 40:06.200]  That's why you should file criminal charges against the officers
[40:06.200 --> 40:11.200]  and file a T-close or whatever they have for the feds,
[40:11.200 --> 40:16.200]  whoever certifies federal officers to file a complaint with them.
[40:16.200 --> 40:19.200]  Bring it home to these guys. Make it personal.
[40:19.200 --> 40:26.200]  Yeah. Also, one more thing about, you know, the thing is, I don't know, hang up.
[40:26.200 --> 40:30.200]  When I was working a clerk, convenience store, you know, when they tried these stings,
[40:30.200 --> 40:33.200]  yeah, the young kids would come and try to buy beer.
[40:33.200 --> 40:43.200]  And I go, yeah, by the way, go tell your sergeant we do offer free coffee for police officers.
[40:43.200 --> 40:45.200]  Sounds like you've been there.
[40:45.200 --> 40:49.200]  I mean, because they give themselves away with these unmarked cars.
[40:49.200 --> 40:55.200]  I mean, when you read a big yellow plate on the front and a bunch of kids are getting out,
[40:55.200 --> 41:04.200]  look, even in Texas, you look out and you see an exempt tag on a white van or on a white car, you know.
[41:04.200 --> 41:08.200]  And you go tell them, yeah, by the way, tell them we do offer coffee here.
[41:08.200 --> 41:10.200]  Yeah, we got donuts, Bubba.
[41:10.200 --> 41:13.200]  Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll hang up.
[41:13.200 --> 41:21.200]  Oh, George, the judge and the retired judge and attorney, have they got back into town yet?
[41:21.200 --> 41:23.200]  They'll be back in Wednesday or Thursday.
[41:23.200 --> 41:27.200]  Good. I want to talk to them. Thank you.
[41:27.200 --> 41:29.200]  All right. Thank you.
[41:29.200 --> 41:31.200]  All right. Thanks, George.
[41:31.200 --> 41:35.200]  Okay. We're going to go now to Steve in Texas.
[41:35.200 --> 41:38.200]  Hey, Steve, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[41:38.200 --> 41:45.200]  You have any answers to Randy's questions about the pro se bias or do you have another topic?
[41:45.200 --> 41:50.200]  Well, not really. I've got another topic. And I know I'm going to get scolded.
[41:50.200 --> 41:52.200]  No, go ahead.
[41:52.200 --> 41:54.200]  Well, let me tell you the facts and circumstances.
[41:54.200 --> 42:03.200]  I got a speeding ticket in Ulysses, Texas, and I'm not particularly convinced.
[42:03.200 --> 42:07.200]  I know I was going over 60 miles an hour, but that's neither here nor there.
[42:07.200 --> 42:15.200]  Anyway, bottom line is I called the court and I asked them to provide me the verified complaint
[42:15.200 --> 42:25.200]  because according to the criminal code, they can't set a court date for a misdemeanor without a verified complaint.
[42:25.200 --> 42:28.200]  And I mentioned that to them and I said, I'd like a copy of it.
[42:28.200 --> 42:33.200]  And they said, well, we don't do verified complaints because it's too expensive.
[42:33.200 --> 42:35.200]  It would slow everything down.
[42:35.200 --> 42:42.200]  So I go down to the court today and they have this deferred disposition document,
[42:42.200 --> 42:46.200]  a contract that they set before me.
[42:46.200 --> 42:52.200]  And I asked them, I said, well, show me how you can use the ticket as a substitute for the verified complaint.
[42:52.200 --> 42:59.200]  So they found in the criminal code Article 45.019, Requisites of a Complaint.
[42:59.200 --> 43:11.200]  And if you read through that particular section, they violated 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 of the specific items in there.
[43:11.200 --> 43:20.200]  However, it says that if the defendant doesn't object to the defect, error, or irregularity of form or substance in the charging instrument
[43:20.200 --> 43:29.200]  before the date on the trial on the merit commences, the defendant waives and forfeits the right to object to the defect, error, so forth and so on.
[43:29.200 --> 43:32.200]  So I waived my right to that particular point.
[43:32.200 --> 43:37.200]  How did you, wait, when we get back from break, tell us how you waived your rights.
[43:37.200 --> 43:38.200]  Okay.
[43:38.200 --> 43:39.200]  All right, Steve, hang on the line.
[43:39.200 --> 43:44.200]  We've also got Amy from Arizona and Russell from Texas.
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[45:16.200 --> 45:18.200]  We're taking your calls.
[45:18.200 --> 45:22.200]  Randy Kelsey and Deborah Stevens.
[45:22.200 --> 45:28.200]  Randy and I started talking about bias against pro se litigants in the court system.
[45:28.200 --> 45:33.200]  Anyone who has any comments or ideas on that, please call in and let us know.
[45:33.200 --> 45:37.200]  In the meantime, we're taking the calls that had stacked up during that conversation.
[45:37.200 --> 45:40.200]  We're speaking right now with Steve in Texas.
[45:40.200 --> 45:41.200]  Okay, go ahead, Steve.
[45:41.200 --> 45:44.200]  You're about to tell us about how they were violating your rights.
[45:44.200 --> 45:54.200]  Well, Randy had a question, how did I waive my defense against lack of a charging instrument?
[45:54.200 --> 46:00.200]  And really I'm making that assumption based on Article 45.019,
[46:00.200 --> 46:05.200]  because it basically said if I don't object before the adjudication,
[46:05.200 --> 46:12.200]  because I basically signed the deferred disposition agreement, that I waive all my rights.
[46:12.200 --> 46:13.200]  What remedies do I have?
[46:13.200 --> 46:15.200]  Can I go back?
[46:15.200 --> 46:18.200]  Okay, so you've already made the deal.
[46:18.200 --> 46:20.200]  Yeah, and I regretted doing that.
[46:20.200 --> 46:24.200]  But if I had objected, being the corrupt system that it is,
[46:24.200 --> 46:28.200]  they would have just done it correctly and then I wouldn't have really had a chance.
[46:28.200 --> 46:34.200]  Well, you can file a motion, a challenge to the jurisdiction.
[46:34.200 --> 46:35.200]  Okay.
[46:35.200 --> 46:41.200]  On your citation, did it state a date and time to appear before magistrate?
[46:41.200 --> 46:44.200]  Yes, it did.
[46:44.200 --> 46:49.200]  Did it state a date at least 10 days after the date of arrest?
[46:49.200 --> 46:51.200]  No, sir.
[46:51.200 --> 46:57.200]  It said you must make this decision of all offenses within 30 calendar days
[46:57.200 --> 46:59.200]  from the issuance of this citation.
[46:59.200 --> 47:00.200]  That's all it said.
[47:00.200 --> 47:08.200]  Okay, then it did not meet the requirements of 543.006 Transportation Code.
[47:08.200 --> 47:15.200]  The citation shall state a date to appear at least 10 days after date of arrest.
[47:15.200 --> 47:20.200]  The citation shall state a date to appear before a magistrate.
[47:20.200 --> 47:25.200]  Yet, your ticket ordered you to appear by a certain date.
[47:25.200 --> 47:27.200]  That meant on or before.
[47:27.200 --> 47:29.200]  Yes.
[47:29.200 --> 47:41.200]  That violated 543.006 Item A, a date to appear at least 10 days after date of arrest.
[47:41.200 --> 47:58.200]  So, 543.008 says if an officer violates a provision of 543.005 through 543.007,
[47:58.200 --> 48:04.200]  he is guilty of misconduct and subject to removal from office.
[48:04.200 --> 48:07.200]  File a motion to disqualify the officer,
[48:07.200 --> 48:12.200]  maintain that no evidence secured by the officer can be used by the court
[48:12.200 --> 48:17.200]  because the officer violated a law relating to his office
[48:17.200 --> 48:22.200]  and became a trespasser ab initio from the beginning.
[48:22.200 --> 48:31.200]  And 38.023 Code of Criminal Procedure says any evidence secured in violation of law
[48:31.200 --> 48:34.200]  may not be considered by the court.
[48:34.200 --> 48:35.200]  Piece of cake, right?
[48:35.200 --> 48:39.200]  I can file this in the municipal court?
[48:39.200 --> 48:40.200]  Yes.
[48:40.200 --> 48:42.200]  Okay.
[48:42.200 --> 48:46.200]  Send me an email, I'll send you the documents.
[48:46.200 --> 48:49.200]  Okay, your email's on the rule of law?
[48:49.200 --> 48:50.200]  Yes.
[48:50.200 --> 48:51.200]  Okay.
[48:51.200 --> 48:54.200]  If it bounces back, I'll have it fixed by tomorrow morning.
[48:54.200 --> 48:58.200]  It's loaded up, I have to download all of it.
[48:58.200 --> 49:00.200]  But I'll have that done by the morning.
[49:00.200 --> 49:06.200]  Now, this order of deferred disposition or this no contest pleading,
[49:06.200 --> 49:10.200]  does that invalidate that, what I'm fixing to do?
[49:10.200 --> 49:11.200]  No.
[49:11.200 --> 49:12.200]  Because that's what I'm trying to do.
[49:12.200 --> 49:14.200]  If they don't have subject matter jurisdiction,
[49:14.200 --> 49:21.200]  there's nothing you can do to give them subject matter jurisdiction, period.
[49:21.200 --> 49:23.200]  Regardless of what I signed?
[49:23.200 --> 49:25.200]  Regardless of what you signed.
[49:25.200 --> 49:27.200]  I follow you, okay.
[49:27.200 --> 49:32.200]  They had no subject matter jurisdiction to start with.
[49:32.200 --> 49:38.200]  So nothing you sign makes any difference.
[49:38.200 --> 49:39.200]  Excellent.
[49:39.200 --> 49:41.200]  Okay, well that's good, that's good.
[49:41.200 --> 49:46.200]  I thought I'd have some fun with this and that's your language
[49:46.200 --> 49:48.200]  and I'm absolutely going to have a lot of fun.
[49:48.200 --> 49:51.200]  Since you've already been through the deferred adjudication and all that,
[49:51.200 --> 49:53.200]  you can't lose.
[49:53.200 --> 49:55.200]  Yes, sir, that's absolutely correct.
[49:55.200 --> 50:01.200]  This is a learning experience and thank you for the advice.
[50:01.200 --> 50:07.200]  And I want to tell you how much I enjoy your network, you know, rule of law radio
[50:07.200 --> 50:14.200]  and how much your show is educating us in terms of taking our rights back.
[50:14.200 --> 50:17.200]  Thank you, Steve, we really appreciate that.
[50:17.200 --> 50:18.200]  God bless you guys.
[50:18.200 --> 50:21.200]  Okay, you too.
[50:21.200 --> 50:25.200]  Okay, we're going now to Amy in Arizona.
[50:25.200 --> 50:26.200]  Hi.
[50:26.200 --> 50:28.200]  Hey, Amy, what's on your mind tonight?
[50:28.200 --> 50:30.200]  A couple of questions and then a big question.
[50:30.200 --> 50:35.200]  Little questions, are there any differences among states regarding grand juries?
[50:35.200 --> 50:37.200]  Yes, a lot.
[50:37.200 --> 50:39.200]  Some states don't even have them.
[50:39.200 --> 50:41.200]  Which is unconstitutional, by the way, but yes.
[50:41.200 --> 50:49.200]  But Arizona is a Spanish law state, so you most likely have one.
[50:49.200 --> 50:50.200]  Okay.
[50:50.200 --> 50:53.200]  As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure you have one.
[50:53.200 --> 50:57.200]  Now, are there both state and federal grand juries or is it?
[50:57.200 --> 50:59.200]  Yes, yes.
[50:59.200 --> 51:00.200]  Yes.
[51:00.200 --> 51:05.200]  Federal grand juries for federal courts, federal cases, state grand juries for state courts
[51:05.200 --> 51:07.200]  and state cases.
[51:07.200 --> 51:08.200]  Okay.
[51:08.200 --> 51:11.200]  Now, here's what I'm leading to.
[51:11.200 --> 51:16.200]  I have compelling evidence of corruption of a judge and others involving Rico.
[51:16.200 --> 51:20.200]  I already have criminal complaints made out, prepared by an attorney,
[51:20.200 --> 51:22.200]  and I've been turned down by everybody possible.
[51:22.200 --> 51:25.200]  So all that's left is a grand jury.
[51:25.200 --> 51:28.200]  I and others are willing to be witnesses, so how do we do that?
[51:28.200 --> 51:30.200]  How do we?
[51:30.200 --> 51:33.200]  Okay, you're calling the right place.
[51:33.200 --> 51:36.200]  You prepare the complaints.
[51:36.200 --> 51:38.200]  You prepare criminal charges.
[51:38.200 --> 51:43.200]  You need to go online and look at a criminal complaint.
[51:43.200 --> 51:50.200]  The Fed requires that the complaint be written in the wording of the statute.
[51:50.200 --> 51:57.200]  If you send me an email, I'll send you a copy of some criminal complaints I did against an IRS agent.
[51:57.200 --> 51:58.200]  Oh, thank you.
[51:58.200 --> 52:00.200]  I'll give you the format.
[52:00.200 --> 52:05.200]  You write out the complaint, take it to a notary, and have it notarized.
[52:05.200 --> 52:08.200]  Have it notarized your signature.
[52:08.200 --> 52:11.200]  Prepare a statement of probable cause.
[52:11.200 --> 52:13.200]  Have that notarized.
[52:13.200 --> 52:15.200]  Put them together.
[52:15.200 --> 52:19.200]  Make 20, I think there's 23 grand jurors, federal grand jurors.
[52:19.200 --> 52:21.200]  Make up 23 of them.
[52:21.200 --> 52:29.200]  Send one to the foreman of the grand jury and the other to grand juror one through 22.
[52:29.200 --> 52:31.200]  Mail each one.
[52:31.200 --> 52:36.200]  I suggest, well, mail them all in one package would be fine.
[52:36.200 --> 52:43.200]  But put on it, you know, send it registered mail return receipt.
[52:43.200 --> 52:47.200]  Mail it to the district attorney's office.
[52:47.200 --> 52:50.200]  But don't put the district attorney's name on it.
[52:50.200 --> 52:52.200]  Put his address on it.
[52:52.200 --> 52:56.200]  Put foreman of the grand jury.
[52:56.200 --> 53:06.200]  And inside the folder, put a letter asking the foreman of the grand jury to initial the letter.
[53:06.200 --> 53:08.200]  And send it back to you.
[53:08.200 --> 53:17.200]  If you send me an email, I'll send you a copy of that as one that I just did in East Texas.
[53:17.200 --> 53:21.200]  Do you have that posted up on jurisprudence yet, Randy?
[53:21.200 --> 53:23.200]  Not yet.
[53:23.200 --> 53:26.200]  But if I get time in the morning, I'll do that in the morning.
[53:26.200 --> 53:28.200]  But if you send me an email, I'll send it back to you.
[53:28.200 --> 53:29.200]  Okay.
[53:29.200 --> 53:32.200]  Yeah, I've been all over your website trying to help myself and just am lost.
[53:32.200 --> 53:38.200]  Amy, have you tried to take these charges to a district attorney yet or a U.S. attorney?
[53:38.200 --> 53:41.200]  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
[53:41.200 --> 53:44.200]  Yeah, they're not going to touch it unless I'm forced to.
[53:44.200 --> 53:50.200]  So what you do is you send it to the district attorney, address the foreman of the grand jury.
[53:50.200 --> 53:57.200]  And what the letter says is you ask the foreman not to sign it but to initial it
[53:57.200 --> 54:03.200]  because you have reason to believe that the U.S. attorney has a stamp with his name on it
[54:03.200 --> 54:08.200]  and regularly stamps documents without the foreman knowing about it.
[54:08.200 --> 54:11.200]  So you ask him to initial it and send it back
[54:11.200 --> 54:15.200]  so you can determine whether or not they actually receive the documents.
[54:15.200 --> 54:16.200]  Okay.
[54:16.200 --> 54:20.200]  If you don't receive that back within, say, a week,
[54:20.200 --> 54:24.200]  then you prepare criminal charges against the district attorney,
[54:24.200 --> 54:31.200]  accusing the district attorney of mail fraud.
[54:31.200 --> 54:37.200]  And when the district attorney opens that one, he's going to say, oops.
[54:37.200 --> 54:43.200]  And then you call the postal service
[54:43.200 --> 54:50.200]  and report the district attorney for interfering with the mail.
[54:50.200 --> 54:52.200]  I like that.
[54:52.200 --> 54:55.200]  This should get you to the grand jury.
[54:55.200 --> 54:58.200]  Okay. Thank you.
[54:58.200 --> 55:02.200]  It's been good results with using that technique.
[55:02.200 --> 55:05.200]  Would you like me to keep you posted on how this is going?
[55:05.200 --> 55:07.200]  Absolutely.
[55:07.200 --> 55:09.200]  Okay.
[55:09.200 --> 55:10.200]  Okay.
[55:10.200 --> 55:16.200]  So I will send you an email requesting specifically an example of a criminal complaint
[55:16.200 --> 55:18.200]  and an example of a letter to send.
[55:18.200 --> 55:19.200]  Yes.
[55:19.200 --> 55:20.200]  Yes.
[55:20.200 --> 55:21.200]  Okay.
[55:21.200 --> 55:22.200]  Thank you both so much.
[55:22.200 --> 55:23.200]  You are welcome.
[55:23.200 --> 55:25.200]  Okay, Amy.
[55:25.200 --> 55:26.200]  Okay. Bye.
[55:26.200 --> 55:27.200]  Bye.
[55:27.200 --> 55:28.200]  Okay.
[55:28.200 --> 55:30.200]  We're going to go now to Russell in Texas.
[55:30.200 --> 55:32.200]  After that, the call boards are wide open.
[55:32.200 --> 55:36.200]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[55:36.200 --> 55:38.200]  Okay, Russell, thanks for calling in.
[55:38.200 --> 55:40.200]  What's on your mind tonight?
[55:40.200 --> 55:44.200]  I wanted to address the issue you brought up about the estates.
[55:44.200 --> 55:47.200]  About 10 months or so ago in the Boston American States,
[55:47.200 --> 55:54.200]  when they had about a half a page article about how easy it is for people to steal from estates.
[55:54.200 --> 56:01.200]  But the problem of it is, majority of the time, it's mostly lawyers or the executors that have been appointed.
[56:01.200 --> 56:10.200]  But like in my father-in-law's case, we have evidence that one of the half sisters and stuff
[56:10.200 --> 56:15.200]  stole from the estate, sold property from the estate.
[56:15.200 --> 56:20.200]  And I filed criminal complaints against her and her husband,
[56:20.200 --> 56:24.200]  and they don't want to do a damn thing about it.
[56:24.200 --> 56:27.200]  They haven't even accepted the criminal complaints.
[56:27.200 --> 56:32.200]  So I thought, well, I'll contact the U.S. Attorney's Office because there is federal law,
[56:32.200 --> 56:36.200]  the embezzlement of the estate and stuff like that in the U.S. Code.
[56:36.200 --> 56:43.200]  But yet I had the attorney that actually is representing my wife and the other two sisters
[56:43.200 --> 56:50.200]  that basically said that the prosecuting attorneys never do these things because they consider them a civil matter.
[56:50.200 --> 56:55.200]  And I'm going, here we got laws on the books, criminal statutes and stuff,
[56:55.200 --> 56:59.200]  to prevent this kind of thing, to prevent this kind of thing.
[56:59.200 --> 57:03.200]  But yet the prosecuting attorneys don't want to do anything.
[57:03.200 --> 57:08.200]  But yet when you get an attorney that's done it, it seems like once they get over a magic threshold
[57:08.200 --> 57:13.200]  of how much they've stolen, that's when they get prosecuted.
[57:13.200 --> 57:17.200]  Well, mostly prosecuted attorneys don't get prosecuted.
[57:17.200 --> 57:25.200]  From what I have seen so far, managing an estate is just gravy for attorneys.
[57:25.200 --> 57:28.200]  It's just simply a license to steal.
[57:28.200 --> 57:35.200]  And even in this case that Deborah mentioned, they told the attorney that they gave him chance after chance.
[57:35.200 --> 57:40.200]  And he just gave them no option.
[57:40.200 --> 57:47.200]  So an attorney has to be a real idiot and a real scoundrel before they'll do anything about it.
[57:47.200 --> 57:49.200]  Well, I agree there.
[57:49.200 --> 57:56.200]  But I just want to tell the people out there that if they are involved in any kind of a state,
[57:56.200 --> 58:02.200]  it's most likely, and they have a relative that is involved and they're going to steal from the state,
[58:02.200 --> 58:08.200]  it's most likely they're going to get by with it.
[58:08.200 --> 58:13.200]  It's a problem. Probably not such a good idea to have an attorney manage the estate.
[58:13.200 --> 58:16.200]  Especially an attorney. Yeah, really.
[58:16.200 --> 58:19.200]  Okay, listen, we're going to break at the top of the hour.
[58:19.200 --> 58:22.200]  Russell, do you want to hang on the line? Yeah, I'll hang.
[58:22.200 --> 58:25.200]  Okay, so we'll hear more from Russell on the other side.
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[01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:31.200]  Okay, we are back. We're chanting down Babylon.
[01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:35.200]  Chanting for justice and peace.
[01:02:35.200 --> 01:02:38.200]  Chant for all wars to cease.
[01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:40.200]  You cannot have peace without justice.
[01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:42.200]  So that's what we're about here at rule of law radio.
[01:02:42.200 --> 01:02:44.200]  We're talking to Russell from Texas.
[01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:47.200]  Okay, go ahead, Russell.
[01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:52.200]  Also, if you get on the, I think it was the state bar,
[01:02:52.200 --> 01:02:56.200]  there's a list of attorneys that have been disbarred,
[01:02:56.200 --> 01:02:58.200]  and you will find out that, you know,
[01:02:58.200 --> 01:03:02.200]  a good 25% of them are attorneys that have, you know,
[01:03:02.200 --> 01:03:09.200]  embezzled or stolen from the estate that they were over.
[01:03:09.200 --> 01:03:13.200]  And those are the ones that didn't make it into the paper.
[01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:18.200]  But it's happened, you know, so frequent it's pathetic.
[01:03:18.200 --> 01:03:21.200]  But, you know, the attorneys are not the only ones doing it.
[01:03:21.200 --> 01:03:24.200]  The brothers and sisters and stuff are doing it against the other brothers and sisters,
[01:03:24.200 --> 01:03:27.200]  and they're not getting prosecuted for it at all.
[01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:30.200]  So I just wanted to warn people about that kind of thing.
[01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:33.200]  Yes, and you may want to go back and listen to the archive
[01:03:33.200 --> 01:03:36.200]  from Gary Johnson's show this past Sunday night.
[01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:40.200]  That was one of the hours where he had two guests on,
[01:03:40.200 --> 01:03:44.200]  and one of the guests was going into great detail about that.
[01:03:44.200 --> 01:03:46.200]  Actually, his first guest was Barry Goldwater, Jr.
[01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:48.200]  That was an excellent interview.
[01:03:48.200 --> 01:03:51.200]  And then his second guest, I'm sorry I don't recall the woman's name right now,
[01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:57.200]  it's posted on the website, her deal is exposing this kind of estate fraud
[01:03:57.200 --> 01:04:01.200]  and trying to figure out ways to actually get these things prosecuted
[01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:04.200]  because they're very little, you know,
[01:04:04.200 --> 01:04:09.200]  very few times where the attorneys are actually prosecuted for this sort of thing.
[01:04:09.200 --> 01:04:13.200]  Or the brothers and sisters, like you say, wannabe heirs,
[01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:18.200]  disgruntled family members that think they should have gotten more or whatever.
[01:04:18.200 --> 01:04:23.200]  You get cases where whoever gets in charge of the estate,
[01:04:23.200 --> 01:04:31.200]  whoever's in charge of the probate, they're withholding assets from legitimate heirs,
[01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:36.200]  and then you get cases where illegitimate people get a hold of the estate
[01:04:36.200 --> 01:04:40.200]  and are withholding from the correct heirs.
[01:04:40.200 --> 01:04:45.200]  I mean, it just goes on and on, the fraud that is involved.
[01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:52.200]  Well, for instance, the one daughter has a motor home that belonged to my father-in-law,
[01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:56.200]  and she has been living out of it ever since 2005.
[01:04:56.200 --> 01:05:01.200]  And the executor sent her a letter two years ago telling her to return it to the estate
[01:05:01.200 --> 01:05:03.200]  and park it and send him the keys.
[01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:05.200]  Well, that never happened.
[01:05:05.200 --> 01:05:11.200]  So I mean, there just doesn't seem to be any kind of enforcement or anything about that.
[01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:15.200]  So I mean, then she sold other things from the property,
[01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:19.200]  like gun safe and things like that and stuff,
[01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:26.200]  and then claimed that somebody must have took it or whatever when she's questioned.
[01:05:26.200 --> 01:05:31.200]  But the only problem is we found out who she sold some of this stuff to so we can prove it.
[01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:35.200]  So I mean, but nobody wants to hear it.
[01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:37.200]  Nobody wants to do anything about it.
[01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:42.200]  And from what the other attorney said, that prosecuting attorneys and the U.S. attorneys
[01:05:42.200 --> 01:05:48.200]  just look at this as a civil matter, even though there's criminal statutes against it and everything.
[01:05:48.200 --> 01:05:53.200]  Right. These kinds of things need to be taken up in front of grand juries directly,
[01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:57.200]  because it's theft. It's not just a civil matter, obviously.
[01:05:57.200 --> 01:05:59.200]  There's stolen property here.
[01:05:59.200 --> 01:06:01.200]  Right. Well, that's all I had.
[01:06:01.200 --> 01:06:03.200]  All right. Thank you, Russell.
[01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:06.200]  You might want to check out that archive from this past Sunday.
[01:06:06.200 --> 01:06:07.200]  What show was that?
[01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:09.200]  This was Gary Johnson, Live and Let Live.
[01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:14.200]  He's the newest show on the network right now, 8 to 10 p.m. on Sundays.
[01:06:14.200 --> 01:06:16.200]  Right here on Rule of Law Radio. Excellent show.
[01:06:16.200 --> 01:06:19.200]  He's been broadcasting for over 20 years.
[01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:24.200]  He's been on Austin Cable Access, the longest running Austin Cable Access show.
[01:06:24.200 --> 01:06:31.200]  And because of all the mix ups and the fraudulent shenanigans going on over there,
[01:06:31.200 --> 01:06:32.200]  he decided to move to radio.
[01:06:32.200 --> 01:06:37.200]  So now we're proud to have Gary Johnson, Live and Let Live on Sunday evenings.
[01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:40.200]  He was a member of the Libertarian National Committee.
[01:06:40.200 --> 01:06:43.200]  He was on the National Committee of the Libertarian Party a few years ago.
[01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:46.200]  So he's been broadcasting for years. He has excellent guests.
[01:06:46.200 --> 01:06:48.200]  He had Barry Goldwater Jr. as his guest.
[01:06:48.200 --> 01:06:50.200]  His first guest this past Sunday.
[01:06:50.200 --> 01:06:52.200]  So I highly recommend Gary Johnson's show, Live and Let Live,
[01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:55.200]  every Sunday right here on Rule of Law Radio Network.
[01:06:55.200 --> 01:06:56.200]  OK. Talk to you later.
[01:06:56.200 --> 01:06:57.200]  All right. Thanks, Russell.
[01:06:57.200 --> 01:07:02.200]  OK. We're going to go on now to Mark in Wisconsin.
[01:07:02.200 --> 01:07:04.200]  He's one of our affiliates.
[01:07:04.200 --> 01:07:07.200]  Mark, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:10.200]  Hey, how are you doing? You sound good tonight, Debra.
[01:07:10.200 --> 01:07:12.200]  Do you need a little rest?
[01:07:12.200 --> 01:07:15.200]  I'm working on it.
[01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:19.200]  Hey, Randy, what's the name of this D.A. who's messing with you?
[01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:24.200]  Give us his name and his bar card number so we can count some grievances.
[01:07:24.200 --> 01:07:29.200]  Now, this guy's got 187 bar grievances.
[01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:32.200]  His name is Hardy.
[01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:37.200]  We can kill his insurance anyway. You know what I mean?
[01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:43.200]  The problem with him being a prosecutor is he's insured by the county.
[01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:50.200]  But it will make certain that if this district attorney gets out of office...
[01:07:50.200 --> 01:07:53.200]  Yeah, that means he's never working in the private sector again.
[01:07:53.200 --> 01:07:56.200] ...then he'll have a problem.
[01:07:56.200 --> 01:07:57.200]  Right.
[01:07:57.200 --> 01:08:03.200]  Yeah, that's a way to go after these attorneys who are a thief in everyone's estates as well.
[01:08:03.200 --> 01:08:09.200]  Yeah, he's going to have a problem anyway because I will be coming after him.
[01:08:09.200 --> 01:08:11.200]  What's his name, Harvey?
[01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:12.200]  Hardy.
[01:08:12.200 --> 01:08:16.200]  Oh, I thought you said Harvey Wallbanger or something.
[01:08:16.200 --> 01:08:21.200]  I'm trying to remember his first name. I think it was Brady Hardy or something like that.
[01:08:21.200 --> 01:08:26.200]  All right. Well, you should put that information out. We can go to work on this guy.
[01:08:26.200 --> 01:08:34.200]  Hey, I had to file a bar grievance too. I have to file a bar grievance against a city attorney.
[01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:37.200]  Can I file one against his boss too?
[01:08:37.200 --> 01:08:42.200]  Sure. Actually, you can file a bar grievance against anybody you want to.
[01:08:42.200 --> 01:08:48.200]  There's no restrictions. There's no law. There's no anything concerning it.
[01:08:48.200 --> 01:08:52.200]  Okay, here's something else I wanted to do. If I go to the city clerk,
[01:08:52.200 --> 01:09:02.200]  can I ask to see cases that he's been involved with so I can file bar grievances in those cases too for criminal acts?
[01:09:02.200 --> 01:09:03.200]  Yeah.
[01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:12.200]  I want to poke him in the eye a bunch of times and then I'm going to take these criminal charges back to the district attorney
[01:09:12.200 --> 01:09:17.200]  and if he refuses them this time, I'm going to civil court with him.
[01:09:17.200 --> 01:09:25.200]  Well, the thing about asking the clerk is they can look it up that way if they want to,
[01:09:25.200 --> 01:09:33.200]  but if they don't keep information organized in that way, they're not required to organize it for you.
[01:09:33.200 --> 01:09:44.200]  If they have all their information in a database, then you can ask them to search the database
[01:09:44.200 --> 01:09:48.200]  and they'll tell you they can't and then I always say,
[01:09:48.200 --> 01:09:54.200]  okay, I need to talk to your information technology people.
[01:09:54.200 --> 01:09:57.200]  Where are your local geeks at?
[01:09:57.200 --> 01:10:04.200]  And then I get a hold of the geeks and I want to know from them what software they use
[01:10:04.200 --> 01:10:12.200]  so that I can look at the software and then determine how to write a query to extract the information I want
[01:10:12.200 --> 01:10:16.200]  and then I get back with the IT guys or when I'm talking to them,
[01:10:16.200 --> 01:10:24.200]  I ask them how much trouble would it be to query the database for all cases under this attorney's name on it
[01:10:24.200 --> 01:10:29.200]  and generally the IT guys, they live in a whole different world.
[01:10:29.200 --> 01:10:31.200]  They don't care.
[01:10:31.200 --> 01:10:33.200]  They'll say, oh yeah, no problem.
[01:10:33.200 --> 01:10:37.200]  We can do that and then you ask them to write the query.
[01:10:37.200 --> 01:10:42.200]  The court, the clerk may want to charge you for their time
[01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:48.200]  or you can go online and just go through the cases.
[01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:54.200]  Fortunately for me, this guy handles all the cases that come through this court
[01:10:54.200 --> 01:10:59.200]  and he violates statute as a matter of, you know, a matter of...
[01:10:59.200 --> 01:11:01.200]  Oh, is he like a municipal attorney?
[01:11:01.200 --> 01:11:02.200]  Yeah.
[01:11:02.200 --> 01:11:04.200]  Oh, he's a piece of cake.
[01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:09.200]  Then he's easy to find. You can just go down and start pulling the records
[01:11:09.200 --> 01:11:14.200]  and if you can find a consistent violation on the part of the court,
[01:11:14.200 --> 01:11:23.200]  then you just file one on each violation like they summon you to court for the purpose of offering you a deal.
[01:11:23.200 --> 01:11:24.200]  Right.
[01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:26.200]  Nobody has authority to do that.
[01:11:26.200 --> 01:11:30.200]  So you file a bar grievance on each one.
[01:11:30.200 --> 01:11:35.200]  It won't take me. If he's a municipal attorney, about three in his history.
[01:11:35.200 --> 01:11:37.200]  About three?
[01:11:37.200 --> 01:11:38.200]  Yep.
[01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:40.200]  Well, I was thinking more like 30, Randy.
[01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:42.200]  Oh, that'll work.
[01:11:42.200 --> 01:11:45.200]  Just to warm up.
[01:11:45.200 --> 01:11:50.200]  When the insurance company sees that, they're going to tell him, sorry, but you're history.
[01:11:50.200 --> 01:11:55.200]  And then he can't get malpractice insurance himself.
[01:11:55.200 --> 01:12:00.200]  So the only way he can work is working for another law firm.
[01:12:00.200 --> 01:12:06.200]  Another law firm sees 30 bar grievances, it wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
[01:12:06.200 --> 01:12:08.200]  Right, right.
[01:12:08.200 --> 01:12:13.200]  And a lot of people are experiencing problems with the clerk, Randy,
[01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:20.200]  and getting thrown out of the courthouse, especially these small ones and, you know, these rural jurisdictions.
[01:12:20.200 --> 01:12:25.200]  Say I went down there a few times and I got, you know, I got some dirt on them or whatever,
[01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:27.200]  and I go back and they tell me to get out.
[01:12:27.200 --> 01:12:30.200]  Can I file FOIA requests then?
[01:12:30.200 --> 01:12:35.200]  No, you file criminal charges.
[01:12:35.200 --> 01:12:38.200]  That is a constitutional violation.
[01:12:38.200 --> 01:12:40.200]  Right, right.
[01:12:40.200 --> 01:12:44.200]  So what if somebody's in a rural area, just for the audience sake,
[01:12:44.200 --> 01:12:48.200]  if somebody's in a rural area and they can't travel to the courthouse all the time,
[01:12:48.200 --> 01:12:54.200]  how could they get a hold of that information from their, you know, mailing them or whatever?
[01:12:54.200 --> 01:13:00.200]  Yeah, and for courts, courts don't fall under FOIA.
[01:13:00.200 --> 01:13:06.200]  They always fall under a court, under constitution, public court.
[01:13:06.200 --> 01:13:09.200]  So that's definitely going to be a personal appearance then, right?
[01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:14.200]  No, no, you can do that by mail as well.
[01:13:14.200 --> 01:13:18.200]  You can just send in a request, just don't request it under freedom of information,
[01:13:18.200 --> 01:13:24.200]  request it under your right to a public court.
[01:13:24.200 --> 01:13:27.200]  Because if you request it under open records,
[01:13:27.200 --> 01:13:31.200]  they will send you back a letter saying this doesn't fall under.
[01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:37.200]  So generally what I do is I don't state the statute under which I request it.
[01:13:37.200 --> 01:13:47.200]  And at the end of my request, there's a paragraph that says this is to be construed as a request under Article 124,
[01:13:47.200 --> 01:13:54.200]  which makes all courts public, or 552 Government Code,
[01:13:54.200 --> 01:14:01.200]  or any other relevant statute, rule, or requirement.
[01:14:01.200 --> 01:14:08.200]  So I don't get this crapola, well, we're the court and we don't fall under open records.
[01:14:08.200 --> 01:14:13.200]  So you don't even have to state what you request it, what law you request it under.
[01:14:13.200 --> 01:14:16.200]  You just ask for the records.
[01:14:16.200 --> 01:14:18.200]  Excellent, excellent.
[01:14:18.200 --> 01:14:21.200]  And hey, Russell sent me a copy of a respa letter,
[01:14:21.200 --> 01:14:26.200]  and I'm dying to help some people out with, you know, if they're in foreclosure.
[01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:32.200]  Where do I find out who's being foreclosed on in my county?
[01:14:32.200 --> 01:14:38.200]  Go to the court record and look up, in order to foreclose, they have to get subpoenas,
[01:14:38.200 --> 01:14:42.200]  and in order to get a subpoena, you know, they have to be served.
[01:14:42.200 --> 01:14:47.200]  Go get all the records of all of the subpoenas being served.
[01:14:47.200 --> 01:14:50.200]  I can get that at the clerk of courts?
[01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:52.200]  I'm not sure who would have that.
[01:14:52.200 --> 01:15:00.200]  I would request it from the constable or whoever Wisconsin has serving subpoenas.
[01:15:00.200 --> 01:15:02.200]  We've got the sheriff.
[01:15:02.200 --> 01:15:04.200]  The sheriff's office.
[01:15:04.200 --> 01:15:14.200]  Ask for records of all subpoenas served by the sheriff's department.
[01:15:14.200 --> 01:15:15.200]  Okay.
[01:15:15.200 --> 01:15:19.200]  Or received by the sheriff's department for service.
[01:15:19.200 --> 01:15:23.200]  So that way they don't get to exclude any of them.
[01:15:23.200 --> 01:15:26.200]  Oh, oh, not even the ones they didn't serve, right?
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:28.200]  Exactly.
[01:15:28.200 --> 01:15:30.200]  Okay. Yep.
[01:15:30.200 --> 01:15:31.200]  Well, that's all I had.
[01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:36.200]  Hopefully I can, I can, I want to see if this respa letter works here in Wisconsin,
[01:15:36.200 --> 01:15:38.200]  and you know, stop some foreclosures.
[01:15:38.200 --> 01:15:40.200]  Oh, respa's federal.
[01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:41.200]  It'll work everywhere.
[01:15:41.200 --> 01:15:47.200]  There's a lot more you can do besides just respa.
[01:15:47.200 --> 01:15:53.200]  That's why we're putting together a program to do a forensic analysis.
[01:15:53.200 --> 01:15:57.200]  If we get their loan information,
[01:15:57.200 --> 01:16:01.200]  then we can come back and show them everything that's been done wrong.
[01:16:01.200 --> 01:16:06.200]  Then you do the respa and, oh, Charlie knows several others that you can do.
[01:16:06.200 --> 01:16:10.200]  You can do a rescission if it's under three years old.
[01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:11.200]  Oh, good.
[01:16:11.200 --> 01:16:12.200]  Send a note.
[01:16:12.200 --> 01:16:17.200]  That lady, does she have a business and how much does she charge for an audit?
[01:16:17.200 --> 01:16:20.200]  And is the audit just, is it just financial
[01:16:20.200 --> 01:16:25.200]  or does she look for all the loopholes and all the, you know, all the violations?
[01:16:25.200 --> 01:16:35.200]  Every teensy-tinesy little minor minutiae violation they make.
[01:16:35.200 --> 01:16:38.200]  What does she charge for that, Randy?
[01:16:38.200 --> 01:16:42.200]  Randy?
[01:16:42.200 --> 01:16:43.200]  Okay.
[01:16:43.200 --> 01:16:44.200]  It looks like we lost Randy.
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[01:19:20.200 --> 01:19:25.200]  Oh, also, I just got a chat from Steve Skidmore, who's one of the hosts on this network,
[01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:29.200]  who also deals with fraud and mortgages and such,
[01:19:29.200 --> 01:19:33.200]  and he says there's a bulletin board usually on the first floor of a courthouse,
[01:19:33.200 --> 01:19:37.200]  the Liz Pendants, that has a list of all foreclosures.
[01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:40.200]  Oh, good. Thank you. Thank you.
[01:19:40.200 --> 01:19:45.200]  Yeah, so far I've collected about $200 for Rule of Law Radio.
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[01:20:10.200 --> 01:20:11.200]  Excellent.
[01:20:11.200 --> 01:20:16.200]  Randy, I wanted to ask you a question real quick.
[01:20:16.200 --> 01:20:18.200]  I wanted to see if you practiced what you preach.
[01:20:18.200 --> 01:20:23.200]  Have you filed any bar grievances against this DA who's messing with you?
[01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:28.200]  The last one I haven't yet, but I did against the ones in Cherokee County,
[01:20:28.200 --> 01:20:32.200]  and a judicial conduct complaint against the judge.
[01:20:32.200 --> 01:20:36.200]  They were whoppers.
[01:20:36.200 --> 01:20:40.200]  I filed a set of complaints with the federal grand jury.
[01:20:40.200 --> 01:20:44.200]  I did exactly what I told Amy from Arizona to do.
[01:20:44.200 --> 01:20:50.200]  I sent a set of complaints to the FBI and accused the FBI agent
[01:20:50.200 --> 01:20:56.200]  of knowing full well all this was going on and failing to take any action.
[01:20:56.200 --> 01:21:02.200]  I sent a writ of habeas corpus to the federal court, which the clerk sent back.
[01:21:02.200 --> 01:21:06.200]  I adjusted it to fit what the clerk wanted,
[01:21:06.200 --> 01:21:11.200]  and I will send it back to them with criminal charges against the clerk
[01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:14.200]  for denying my writ.
[01:21:14.200 --> 01:21:23.200]  I sent a motion to the district court to initiate a court of inquiry
[01:21:23.200 --> 01:21:33.200]  and a petition for writ of mandamus ordering the county court to dismiss the case
[01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:39.200]  and a number of things, and the last thing I ask for in the prayer,
[01:21:39.200 --> 01:21:45.200]  I ask for an order directing the county judge and the county prosecutor
[01:21:45.200 --> 01:21:48.200]  to go out behind the courthouse and shoot themselves,
[01:21:48.200 --> 01:21:53.200]  and when they meet one another in hell, explain to them, each other,
[01:21:53.200 --> 01:21:56.200]  why this was such a stupid thing to do.
[01:21:56.200 --> 01:22:01.200]  All right. Oh, my gosh. You're just being a headache, aren't you?
[01:22:01.200 --> 01:22:05.200]  I'm doing everything I can. They wanted to fight.
[01:22:05.200 --> 01:22:09.200]  I'm going to give them as good a fight as I possibly can.
[01:22:09.200 --> 01:22:10.200]  Excellent, excellent.
[01:22:10.200 --> 01:22:14.200]  I have next plan on filing criminal charges in Austin
[01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:17.200]  with the Austin grand jury against them.
[01:22:17.200 --> 01:22:20.200]  I'm just getting warmed up on them.
[01:22:20.200 --> 01:22:23.200]  All right. Hey, one quick point I wanted to make.
[01:22:23.200 --> 01:22:27.200]  I hear people calling rule of law radio all the time saying they sent a letter in,
[01:22:27.200 --> 01:22:30.200]  they called the clerk, they did this, they did that.
[01:22:30.200 --> 01:22:34.200]  Nothing moves the court unless it's a motion.
[01:22:34.200 --> 01:22:38.200]  You cannot move the court by complaining.
[01:22:38.200 --> 01:22:40.200]  You must file a motion.
[01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:42.200]  Now, I know Randy says it all the time.
[01:22:42.200 --> 01:22:44.200]  I just thought I'd stick that in there.
[01:22:44.200 --> 01:22:47.200]  Anyway, you guys are doing an excellent job. Good night.
[01:22:47.200 --> 01:22:49.200]  Thank you, Mark. Thank you.
[01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:53.200]  You're exactly right. Affidavits don't get it done.
[01:22:53.200 --> 01:22:58.200]  They preserve evidence, but they don't move the court.
[01:22:58.200 --> 01:23:02.200]  OK, we're going next to Randy in Texas.
[01:23:02.200 --> 01:23:06.200]  Randy, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:23:06.200 --> 01:23:08.200]  I just wanted to ask you guys,
[01:23:08.200 --> 01:23:13.200]  does rule of law have like a PayPal account or something where everyone could donate?
[01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:16.200]  Yes, there's a donate button on the front page,
[01:23:16.200 --> 01:23:21.200]  and it goes to another page where there's about five or six different PayPal buttons
[01:23:21.200 --> 01:23:24.200]  where you can sign up for subscriptions.
[01:23:24.200 --> 01:23:27.200]  You can do one-time donations in any amount.
[01:23:27.200 --> 01:23:30.200]  Yeah, that's been set up for quite a while.
[01:23:30.200 --> 01:23:34.200]  Well, you know what? We need to make that more visible because I don't see it very well,
[01:23:34.200 --> 01:23:39.200]  but I want to challenge the listeners to get in there.
[01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:43.200]  Come on, if you want to keep the thing on the air, 25 bucks,
[01:23:43.200 --> 01:23:47.200]  it's not going to cost you that much, and just throw in 25 bucks.
[01:23:47.200 --> 01:23:51.200]  And the other thing I wanted to ask is, Randy, have you talked to anybody
[01:23:51.200 --> 01:23:56.200]  or has anybody called in and talked about getting a grant?
[01:23:56.200 --> 01:24:00.200]  I mean, I think you guys could qualify for a grant.
[01:24:00.200 --> 01:24:04.200]  A couple people have mentioned grants, but I know nothing about them,
[01:24:04.200 --> 01:24:07.200]  and I'm so swamped I hadn't had time to research it.
[01:24:07.200 --> 01:24:11.200]  Yeah, if anyone knows out there anything about it or wants to help us in that department,
[01:24:11.200 --> 01:24:15.200]  that would be greatly appreciated.
[01:24:15.200 --> 01:24:21.200]  That's why we have some people working with us right now to try to deal with sales
[01:24:21.200 --> 01:24:25.200]  and get sponsors and stuff because I just don't have time.
[01:24:25.200 --> 01:24:30.200]  I'm too busy keeping the network on the air and training the producers
[01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:33.200]  and working with the hosts and trying to make a living
[01:24:33.200 --> 01:24:36.200]  so that I can keep the bills paid so that we can stay on the air.
[01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:42.200]  I don't have time to make phone calls for sponsors or figure out how to research for grants
[01:24:42.200 --> 01:24:46.200]  or how to write a letter to get a grant.
[01:24:46.200 --> 01:24:49.200]  The network wouldn't be on the air if I had to take care of all those things.
[01:24:49.200 --> 01:24:51.200]  I need somebody to help me with that.
[01:24:51.200 --> 01:24:56.200]  And I hope you guys appreciate how hard it is to ask for money.
[01:24:56.200 --> 01:25:00.200]  We really, really hate to have to ask for money.
[01:25:00.200 --> 01:25:02.200]  Well, I'll do it for you guys.
[01:25:02.200 --> 01:25:07.200]  Everybody out there, send in some bucks now.
[01:25:07.200 --> 01:25:10.200]  Thank you.
[01:25:10.200 --> 01:25:12.200]  And since you've been so nice, Randy,
[01:25:12.200 --> 01:25:18.200]  I'm not going to say anything about you picking the pellets out of your dog's behind.
[01:25:18.200 --> 01:25:21.200]  And Deborah, I have the cleanest dog in the neighborhood.
[01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:26.200]  And washed.
[01:25:26.200 --> 01:25:28.200]  Well, that is a great idea.
[01:25:28.200 --> 01:25:33.200]  And someone else had recently mentioned grants as well.
[01:25:33.200 --> 01:25:36.200]  So I'm trying to remember what they said.
[01:25:36.200 --> 01:25:40.200]  Heritage grants I think is what they said.
[01:25:40.200 --> 01:25:43.200]  Well, I bet we've got people to know.
[01:25:43.200 --> 01:25:46.200]  So hopefully they'll call in and we'll figure it out.
[01:25:46.200 --> 01:25:48.200]  That would be awesome.
[01:25:48.200 --> 01:25:52.200]  I'll let you guys go tonight, but that's what I had to say.
[01:25:52.200 --> 01:25:54.200]  Thanks, Randy. We appreciate that.
[01:25:54.200 --> 01:25:55.200]  Good night.
[01:25:55.200 --> 01:25:56.200]  Good night.
[01:25:56.200 --> 01:25:58.200]  Okay, we're going to continue on.
[01:25:58.200 --> 01:26:02.200]  We're going to go to Steve in California.
[01:26:02.200 --> 01:26:03.200]  Steve, thanks for calling in.
[01:26:03.200 --> 01:26:05.200]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:26:05.200 --> 01:26:06.200]  Good evening, Deborah.
[01:26:06.200 --> 01:26:07.200]  Randy, how are you guys doing?
[01:26:07.200 --> 01:26:09.200]  Good.
[01:26:09.200 --> 01:26:12.200]  I called in, it's probably been a month ago,
[01:26:12.200 --> 01:26:16.200]  and I'd also sent Randy an email about the California Constitution
[01:26:16.200 --> 01:26:18.200]  fishing game code.
[01:26:18.200 --> 01:26:19.200]  Do you recall that, Randy?
[01:26:19.200 --> 01:26:21.200]  Yes, I do.
[01:26:21.200 --> 01:26:22.200]  I remember that.
[01:26:22.200 --> 01:26:24.200]  Have you done anything about that?
[01:26:24.200 --> 01:26:27.200]  No, I've been unemployed or I'd be sending you guys money.
[01:26:27.200 --> 01:26:29.200]  You guys are great.
[01:26:29.200 --> 01:26:32.200]  But I've been fishing around and trying to get somebody to stop me.
[01:26:32.200 --> 01:26:33.200]  Haven't seen a soul.
[01:26:33.200 --> 01:26:36.200]  Not a game more than that.
[01:26:36.200 --> 01:26:38.200]  I mean, when you're looking for them, they're not there.
[01:26:38.200 --> 01:26:43.200]  Anyway, but I do think I've figured out a way to maybe bait them.
[01:26:43.200 --> 01:26:47.200]  We have county parks, little mud holes here in Southern California,
[01:26:47.200 --> 01:26:52.200]  and they charge you seven bucks to park, seven bucks to fish.
[01:26:52.200 --> 01:26:59.200]  Okay, these county parks are stocked by state,
[01:26:59.200 --> 01:27:04.200]  and they have a person standing at the gate collecting the fees.
[01:27:04.200 --> 01:27:08.200]  Now, if I were to walk in there and argue my point
[01:27:08.200 --> 01:27:13.200]  and get them to violate my constitutional rights,
[01:27:13.200 --> 01:27:17.200]  would there be a case in that?
[01:27:17.200 --> 01:27:20.200]  Seems pretty clean.
[01:27:20.200 --> 01:27:24.200]  I mean, this way you get to get them to violate your right
[01:27:24.200 --> 01:27:31.200]  without you committing and doing an act that they can claim is a violation.
[01:27:31.200 --> 01:27:32.200]  Right.
[01:27:32.200 --> 01:27:35.200]  So that leaves you on the attack.
[01:27:35.200 --> 01:27:38.200]  Just by charging me to exercise a right.
[01:27:38.200 --> 01:27:40.200]  Exactly.
[01:27:40.200 --> 01:27:43.200]  Okay, and I could have my son film the thing too or tape record it.
[01:27:43.200 --> 01:27:46.200]  Would that be a good idea?
[01:27:46.200 --> 01:27:49.200]  Yeah, if you can get a video, it would be even better.
[01:27:49.200 --> 01:27:55.200]  And then call the police at the gate when they refuse me access to exercise my right?
[01:27:55.200 --> 01:28:02.200]  And just notify the police that you're trying to document this,
[01:28:02.200 --> 01:28:11.200]  to immemorialize the event so that the police don't wind up trying to push you around.
[01:28:11.200 --> 01:28:14.200]  For disorderly conduct, right.
[01:28:14.200 --> 01:28:19.200]  Well, yeah, I'd be very mannered about it, but I've tried.
[01:28:19.200 --> 01:28:22.200]  I've called the fishing game department, the head of the fishing game,
[01:28:22.200 --> 01:28:26.200]  Mr. Koch out here in California, and asked him to provide me with any case law
[01:28:26.200 --> 01:28:32.200]  that's overturned this or any constitutional amendments that nullified this.
[01:28:32.200 --> 01:28:37.200]  And all my phone calls have went on deaf ears.
[01:28:37.200 --> 01:28:38.200]  They're not giving me anything.
[01:28:38.200 --> 01:28:40.200]  Do it in writing.
[01:28:40.200 --> 01:28:45.200]  I don't have the means to research it on the computer.
[01:28:45.200 --> 01:28:49.200]  No, send them a letter. Do it in writing.
[01:28:49.200 --> 01:28:50.200]  Do it in writing?
[01:28:50.200 --> 01:28:52.200]  Yeah, then if you don't get a response,
[01:28:52.200 --> 01:28:56.200]  that's a reasonable probable cause to believe they don't have it.
[01:28:56.200 --> 01:28:59.200]  Okay. All right.
[01:28:59.200 --> 01:29:03.200]  Well, I appreciate it, and I want to congratulate you guys on your popularity.
[01:29:03.200 --> 01:29:05.200]  You guys are growing big time.
[01:29:05.200 --> 01:29:09.200]  Oh, thank you, Steve. I appreciate that.
[01:29:09.200 --> 01:29:12.200]  Oh, my wife had a question for you.
[01:29:12.200 --> 01:29:17.200]  She hasn't talked to you guys before, but she wants to ask you about something here.
[01:29:17.200 --> 01:29:18.200]  Hi, guys.
[01:29:18.200 --> 01:29:19.200]  Hello.
[01:29:19.200 --> 01:29:22.200]  I'm a bookkeeper, and I do income tax.
[01:29:22.200 --> 01:29:27.200]  I own my own business, and I also, you know, do payrolls for companies.
[01:29:27.200 --> 01:29:34.200]  I've received a earnings withholding order, vehicle registration collection.
[01:29:34.200 --> 01:29:38.200]  Okay, listen. Yeah, hold on. What is your name?
[01:29:38.200 --> 01:29:39.200]  Joanne.
[01:29:39.200 --> 01:29:41.200]  Okay, Joanne, hold on the line, and we'll take your question on the other side.
[01:29:41.200 --> 01:29:43.200]  We're going to break right now.
[01:29:43.200 --> 01:29:44.200]  Okay, thank you.
[01:29:44.200 --> 01:29:46.200]  Okay, this is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[01:29:46.200 --> 01:29:48.200]  We'll be taking Joanne's question on the other side.
[01:29:48.200 --> 01:29:50.200]  We've got Vince, Amy, and Terry on the line.
[01:29:50.200 --> 01:29:53.200]  We'll be taking y'all's calls as well.
[01:29:53.200 --> 01:29:58.200]  We'll be right back.
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[01:32:22.200 --> 01:32:26.200]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:32:26.200 --> 01:32:28.200]  We're taking your calls for the rest of the show.
[01:32:28.200 --> 01:32:30.200]  Right now we're speaking with Joanne.
[01:32:30.200 --> 01:32:32.200]  Okay, Joanne, go ahead.
[01:32:32.200 --> 01:32:36.200]  You explained to us about the bookkeeping.
[01:32:36.200 --> 01:32:39.200]  Well, what this is, it's a withholding order.
[01:32:39.200 --> 01:32:44.200]  You know, normally you get them for child support or if you've been sued in court
[01:32:44.200 --> 01:32:48.200]  and there's a debt they can withhold from your payroll tax, you know, your paycheck.
[01:32:48.200 --> 01:32:50.200]  It's like a garnishment.
[01:32:50.200 --> 01:32:51.200]  It's a garnishment, yes.
[01:32:51.200 --> 01:32:58.200]  And it comes from the state of California, franchise tax board, vehicle registration collection.
[01:32:58.200 --> 01:33:02.200]  What's happened, it says here, we issued this earnings withholding order
[01:33:02.200 --> 01:33:09.200]  to collect a delinquent vehicle registration debt owed to the Department of Motor Vehicles.
[01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:17.200]  You must withhold 25% of the debtor's disposable earnings for each pay period until it's paid.
[01:33:17.200 --> 01:33:21.200]  And then they give California revenue and taxation code number
[01:33:21.200 --> 01:33:25.200]  and California code and civil procedures section code numbers.
[01:33:25.200 --> 01:33:31.200]  I looked it up and they're calling it a tap.
[01:33:31.200 --> 01:33:35.200]  The people who don't renew their registration,
[01:33:35.200 --> 01:33:42.200]  they're sending it to the franchise tax board, which is California's income tax department.
[01:33:42.200 --> 01:33:47.200]  They're sending it to them for collection for vehicle registration.
[01:33:47.200 --> 01:33:50.200]  Well, that's ridiculous because what if somebody doesn't want to renew their registration?
[01:33:50.200 --> 01:33:53.200]  What if they don't intend on driving the car anymore
[01:33:53.200 --> 01:33:56.200]  or operating it or whatever, traveling with it or whatever?
[01:33:56.200 --> 01:34:01.200]  What if they plan on turning it into a piece of art and planting cactuses in it?
[01:34:01.200 --> 01:34:09.200]  I mean, it's like you can't just assume that the person desires to renew the registration.
[01:34:09.200 --> 01:34:14.200]  But like I said, they're sending this out and we have to withhold
[01:34:14.200 --> 01:34:22.200]  or the employer then becomes responsible for the debt of the employee if they don't withhold it and send it in.
[01:34:22.200 --> 01:34:27.200]  Is there a court order? Usually wage garnishments require a court order.
[01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:33.200]  I understand that just like if the IRS, the orders that they send down, they don't go through a court.
[01:34:33.200 --> 01:34:36.200]  The state of California doesn't go through a court.
[01:34:36.200 --> 01:34:42.200]  But yet if you don't withhold it, they will come after and I've had it happen.
[01:34:42.200 --> 01:34:48.200]  They come after the employer and go right to the bank account and take the money out.
[01:34:48.200 --> 01:34:53.200]  So I just wanted – I know you have a lot of California listeners
[01:34:53.200 --> 01:35:00.200]  and I wanted them to be aware of this fact that if they don't,
[01:35:00.200 --> 01:35:04.200]  I don't know what they'd have to do to go into the DMV and tell them,
[01:35:04.200 --> 01:35:10.200]  I'm not registering this vehicle anymore. I'm not required. It's my personal car.
[01:35:10.200 --> 01:35:14.200]  I don't have to register it just like I don't have to have my driver's license.
[01:35:14.200 --> 01:35:22.200]  But they've gone to this tax since California is so broke. They're going to this tax now.
[01:35:22.200 --> 01:35:30.200]  I've had several people within the last two months come in with letters from the state of California
[01:35:30.200 --> 01:35:36.200]  saying you owe more tax. One person didn't even work, but because they had –
[01:35:36.200 --> 01:35:43.200]  they used to have a license to be in business, they assessed them a tax.
[01:35:43.200 --> 01:35:50.200]  They figured how much money that industry makes and they tax them
[01:35:50.200 --> 01:35:56.200]  and are forcing them to file a tax return telling them you don't have –
[01:35:56.200 --> 01:35:59.200]  I didn't have any income in that business.
[01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:05.200]  These people need to file fraud against whoever assessed the tax.
[01:36:05.200 --> 01:36:14.200]  That should be – whoever did that should get a fraud complaint against the individual personally.
[01:36:14.200 --> 01:36:18.200]  That is fraud even if a government official does it.
[01:36:18.200 --> 01:36:25.200]  Yeah, it doesn't have a name. It just comes – it just says it's a court order vehicle collection.
[01:36:25.200 --> 01:36:27.200]  It's a court order?
[01:36:27.200 --> 01:36:35.200]  It's a letter from the state of California Franchise Tax Board Vehicle Registration Collections Department.
[01:36:35.200 --> 01:36:42.200]  Do they show a code that authorizes them to garnish wages without a court order?
[01:36:42.200 --> 01:36:59.200]  Yes, California Revenue and Taxation Code Section 10878 and California Code of Civil Procedures Section 706.050 and Section 706.074.
[01:36:59.200 --> 01:37:05.200]  And I looked those two up to make sure, you know, where this was coming from before I wanted to talk to you guys.
[01:37:05.200 --> 01:37:11.200]  And what they've done is they said in this instance under the California Revenue and Taxation Code
[01:37:11.200 --> 01:37:17.200]  it shall be further known that this is now a tax and they list vehicle registration.
[01:37:17.200 --> 01:37:23.200]  They list like driver's license. They list several – there's like seven or eight different things.
[01:37:23.200 --> 01:37:27.200]  And vehicle registration is now known as a tax.
[01:37:27.200 --> 01:37:35.200]  And therefore it can be collected without court order under the California Revenue and Taxation.
[01:37:35.200 --> 01:37:43.200]  Okay, that's an issue that could probably be adjudicated.
[01:37:43.200 --> 01:37:56.200]  But because the registration is such a small amount relative to the litigation costs, they can figure – yeah, they can get away with this for a long time.
[01:37:56.200 --> 01:37:57.200]  $300?
[01:37:57.200 --> 01:37:58.200]  Yeah.
[01:37:58.200 --> 01:38:01.200]  $300 to register a vehicle?
[01:38:01.200 --> 01:38:03.200]  In California, yeah.
[01:38:03.200 --> 01:38:06.200]  Oh, man. That is outrageous.
[01:38:06.200 --> 01:38:14.200]  Truck – I don't know how it is in Texas, but a truck in California, even if it's your personal vehicle not used for work,
[01:38:14.200 --> 01:38:24.200]  you have to license it as a commercial vehicle if you want to put groceries in the back to drive it and bring them home.
[01:38:24.200 --> 01:38:28.200]  It has to be registered commercial.
[01:38:28.200 --> 01:38:36.200]  Well, see, again, I mean, this is something that it seems to me that could be adjudicated, just like what Randy's saying.
[01:38:36.200 --> 01:38:40.200]  I mean, because what if somebody has no intentions of re-registering the vehicle?
[01:38:40.200 --> 01:38:46.200]  What if they're just going to sit there, let the vehicle sit there and turn it into a piece of art?
[01:38:46.200 --> 01:38:52.200]  What if they don't – what if they intend on selling it later on down the line or something?
[01:38:52.200 --> 01:38:58.200]  You know, I mean, it seems to me that the only right that the state would have to garnish somebody's wages is like,
[01:38:58.200 --> 01:39:06.200]  say, if they agreed that they are going to register the vehicle again or say they wrote a hot check for the registration.
[01:39:06.200 --> 01:39:11.200]  Well, now they've engaged in incurring the tax and the tax not paid.
[01:39:11.200 --> 01:39:16.200]  So then the state may be within their right to garnish the person's wages to collect it.
[01:39:16.200 --> 01:39:23.200]  But if you're not agreeing that you're going to register it again, then they have no right to say,
[01:39:23.200 --> 01:39:26.200]  no, you are going to register it again and we are going to garnish your wages.
[01:39:26.200 --> 01:39:28.200]  I mean, that just doesn't even make sense.
[01:39:28.200 --> 01:39:31.200]  Well, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[01:39:31.200 --> 01:39:38.200]  But it's like I've heard you guys say, and I know that you've had other callers on that have basically opted out of the system.
[01:39:38.200 --> 01:39:40.200]  They take their license plates off.
[01:39:40.200 --> 01:39:49.200]  They don't register their vehicles anymore because they have the right to travel and that is, you know, and so how can they force you?
[01:39:49.200 --> 01:39:54.200]  And this is the first one I've gotten under the vehicle registration.
[01:39:54.200 --> 01:39:58.200]  Like I say, I've had them for all, you know, all kinds of things that you can think of.
[01:39:58.200 --> 01:40:04.200]  But now California is actually forcing you to pay up one way or another.
[01:40:04.200 --> 01:40:11.200]  Yes, if that goes to the courts, the courts are most likely going to strike it down.
[01:40:11.200 --> 01:40:15.200]  But in the meantime, California gets to collect a lot of money.
[01:40:15.200 --> 01:40:22.200]  Right. So what would I tell this person to do if they didn't want to pay it?
[01:40:22.200 --> 01:40:27.200]  To sue the state of California, the Department of Motor Vehicles?
[01:40:27.200 --> 01:40:29.200]  First, do your homework.
[01:40:29.200 --> 01:40:36.200]  They need to pull these codes and see if there are any annotations, any any case law on it.
[01:40:36.200 --> 01:40:47.200]  Yeah. Who's the person or group of people that has suddenly decided that vehicle registration is to fall under this code as something that they can garnish as a tax?
[01:40:47.200 --> 01:40:51.200]  I mean, I mean, was did was that a court order?
[01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:58.200]  I mean, did that come down from some case or did the Department of Transportation just decide they're going to start doing that?
[01:40:58.200 --> 01:41:00.200]  It's just their own legal interpretation.
[01:41:00.200 --> 01:41:06.200]  I think it was just the legislators up in Sacramento that said, you know what, we're having trouble collecting this stuff.
[01:41:06.200 --> 01:41:11.200]  Let's throw all this stuff under this code and call it a tax.
[01:41:11.200 --> 01:41:18.200]  Because now they're calling it a tax because you have the highway use tax that's on your on your registration.
[01:41:18.200 --> 01:41:23.200]  It's broke down all the different different prices for things.
[01:41:23.200 --> 01:41:28.200]  School tax is on there and the road tax is on there.
[01:41:28.200 --> 01:41:31.200]  Vehicle use tax and registration.
[01:41:31.200 --> 01:41:37.200]  Is there no avenue of redress?
[01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:42.200]  There has to be some redress built into the code.
[01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:45.200]  Some way of challenging the tax.
[01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:51.200]  Yeah, there has to be. Yeah, we need to have more research done on this code.
[01:41:51.200 --> 01:41:57.200]  Yeah, if somebody hasn't registered the car and they don't feel like they need to.
[01:41:57.200 --> 01:42:03.200]  If for every tax, there has to be a way of challenging the assessment.
[01:42:03.200 --> 01:42:14.200]  So since this is a tax, they've assessed the tax and whatever remedies are already in the law to challenge an assessment now will apply to this.
[01:42:14.200 --> 01:42:18.200]  Let them figure out how to how to challenge the assessment and put the brakes on.
[01:42:18.200 --> 01:42:22.200]  I don't know where to go to look that up.
[01:42:22.200 --> 01:42:29.200]  If there's anybody out there that's listening here in California that that wants to jump in on this.
[01:42:29.200 --> 01:42:31.200]  Well, reading the code would be the first thing to do.
[01:42:31.200 --> 01:42:33.200]  I did that. I did that.
[01:42:33.200 --> 01:42:37.200]  And I couldn't find any way out of it because it's in the legislation.
[01:42:37.200 --> 01:42:44.200]  It's actually in the code and it's now calling it a tax for the purposes of this is what it said.
[01:42:44.200 --> 01:42:47.200]  We now are considering this attack.
[01:42:47.200 --> 01:42:59.200]  Well, if it's a tax, if say they come in and they assess a tax on your house and you don't agree with the assessment, isn't there a procedure for challenging the assessment?
[01:42:59.200 --> 01:43:04.200]  Yeah, there's forms you fill out at with the county assessor's office.
[01:43:04.200 --> 01:43:14.200]  It's just like the properties in California that when people bottom for five hundred thousand that are now worth two hundred thousand, they can go in and ask for a reassessment of their property taxes.
[01:43:14.200 --> 01:43:20.200]  You need to look at whatever statute authorizes that.
[01:43:20.200 --> 01:43:30.200]  And since they've turned the registration into a tax, apply the same remedy to the registration.
[01:43:30.200 --> 01:43:37.200]  That'll jerk a knot in their shorts.
[01:43:37.200 --> 01:43:40.200]  So you guys don't get it both ways.
[01:43:40.200 --> 01:43:42.200]  Yeah.
[01:43:42.200 --> 01:43:47.200]  So you might look at that and how to apply it to the registration.
[01:43:47.200 --> 01:43:49.200]  That would be fun.
[01:43:49.200 --> 01:43:58.200]  They're getting it under they're getting it under two two sections, the California Revenue and Taxation Code and Code of Civil Procedures.
[01:43:58.200 --> 01:44:09.200]  What is going to allow them to do what's going to happen to them is prior to this, you had no way to object to the amount of tax.
[01:44:09.200 --> 01:44:13.200]  Now you have a way to raise an objection.
[01:44:13.200 --> 01:44:23.200]  If we get a get a lot of people objecting to it, it can cost them more to try to collect it than it would if they had just left it alone.
[01:44:23.200 --> 01:44:27.200]  That's what happens when you try to do a quick fix.
[01:44:27.200 --> 01:44:28.200]  Yeah.
[01:44:28.200 --> 01:44:35.200]  People look at it and they you wind up creating more problems than you solve.
[01:44:35.200 --> 01:44:42.200]  And it would certainly be satisfying to create more problem for them than they are really.
[01:44:42.200 --> 01:44:43.200]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:44:43.200 --> 01:44:44.200]  Absolutely.
[01:44:44.200 --> 01:44:45.200]  All right.
[01:44:45.200 --> 01:44:47.200]  Well, we have another caller from California right now.
[01:44:47.200 --> 01:44:49.200]  So maybe he could shed some light on it.
[01:44:49.200 --> 01:44:50.200]  Okay.
[01:44:50.200 --> 01:44:51.200]  Well, thank you guys.
[01:44:51.200 --> 01:44:52.200]  I love listening to you.
[01:44:52.200 --> 01:44:53.200]  Okay.
[01:44:53.200 --> 01:44:54.200]  Thanks, Joan.
[01:44:54.200 --> 01:44:55.200]  All right.
[01:44:55.200 --> 01:44:56.200]  Bye bye.
[01:44:56.200 --> 01:44:57.200]  Okay. Bye.
[01:44:57.200 --> 01:44:58.200]  All right.
[01:44:58.200 --> 01:44:59.200]  We're going to go to Vince from California.
[01:44:59.200 --> 01:45:00.200]  Let's see what he knows about this situation.
[01:45:00.200 --> 01:45:01.200]  Vince.
[01:45:01.200 --> 01:45:02.200]  Hey, good evening.
[01:45:02.200 --> 01:45:03.200]  Hey.
[01:45:03.200 --> 01:45:09.200]  It's funny, I have the, my question was along a similar line, and I have the California
[01:45:09.200 --> 01:45:14.200]  vehicle code definitions page up right now, and I don't see anything under registration.
[01:45:14.200 --> 01:45:19.480]  I see a definition for registered owner, but it's just a registered owner is a person registered
[01:45:19.480 --> 01:45:22.200]  by the department as the owner of a vehicle.
[01:45:22.200 --> 01:45:29.040]  But yeah, California does require a certificate of non-operation if you're going to take your
[01:45:29.040 --> 01:45:30.040]  vehicle off the road.
[01:45:30.040 --> 01:45:33.720]  And of course that's because if you don't have the MSO or the MCO, then you're not the
[01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:36.560]  owner of the vehicle anyway, they are, and they can tell you what to do.
[01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:41.160]  So, you know, that's, that's kind of a conundrum.
[01:45:41.160 --> 01:45:52.400]  In that regard, I purchased an automobile or a vehicle and I paid 30,000 bucks for it,
[01:45:52.400 --> 01:45:56.520]  but I didn't get a bill of sale.
[01:45:56.520 --> 01:46:05.160]  They gave the, the, the certificate of ownership to someone else without my knowledge.
[01:46:05.160 --> 01:46:10.160]  So, I'm looking at suing the dealership for, for fraud.
[01:46:10.160 --> 01:46:15.960]  Wait a minute, Vince, what are you saying that if, if you, if you don't register your
[01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.280]  vehicle then the state's saying that they own it?
[01:46:18.280 --> 01:46:19.520]  I mean, what, what is this?
[01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:21.920]  Oh no, that goes to the title issue.
[01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:24.360]  No, but he was.
[01:46:24.360 --> 01:46:28.160]  The manufacturer's certificate of origin or manufacturer's statement of origin is the
[01:46:28.160 --> 01:46:32.880]  original title from the manufacturer, you know, from the car company that produced the
[01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:36.160]  car and that goes to the DMV unless you request it.
[01:46:36.160 --> 01:46:44.640]  And the DMV is holding it as the original title or, or, you know, statement of, of ownership.
[01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:49.120]  And your certificate of title is more like a rental agreement.
[01:46:49.120 --> 01:46:54.800]  And so they have ultimate control over your vehicle and that's why they can demand that,
[01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:58.320]  like I said, if you're going to take, this goes back about 10 or 15 years in California
[01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:02.600]  that you have to tell them that you're going to take the car off the road.
[01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:04.960]  And I think it's 10 bucks to file a non-operation.
[01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:11.400]  Oh my gosh, you have to pay them $10 to, and file papers to tell them that you're not going
[01:47:11.400 --> 01:47:15.120]  to be traveling in this vehicle.
[01:47:15.120 --> 01:47:18.120]  Well, welcome to Commie Fornia.
[01:47:18.120 --> 01:47:21.040]  Yeah, I don't think so.
[01:47:21.040 --> 01:47:27.040]  But my original, the reason I called and I just realized that Eddie's on a call on an
[01:47:27.040 --> 01:47:28.360]  on an evil rival network.
[01:47:28.360 --> 01:47:34.000]  So this might've been a better question when he was here, but I wait, wait, wait, he'll
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:35.840]  be on tomorrow night.
[01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:37.840]  Eddie who?
[01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:39.160]  Randy seems to have a memory problem.
[01:47:39.160 --> 01:47:40.720]  We have a new co-host now, Randy.
[01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:41.720]  His name is Eddie Craig.
[01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:44.560]  Oh, you mean the guy on the evil rival network.
[01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:45.560]  Yeah.
[01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.600]  Yeah, yeah, never trust a guy with two first names, right?
[01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:49.600]  Right.
[01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:56.440]  Anyway, so I have this ticket, it's a speeding ticket and no seatbelt.
[01:47:56.440 --> 01:48:01.920]  And as a side note, I signed the ticket all caps with the, with the copyright after it.
[01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:06.440]  So I'm thinking about going after an angle of, well, it doesn't match the signature on
[01:48:06.440 --> 01:48:07.440]  my driver license.
[01:48:07.440 --> 01:48:09.880]  So, you know, what's going on here?
[01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:15.600]  But actually what I, what I called about was Randy at some, at some point a while back,
[01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:20.640]  you said that regarding the commercial aspect of driving or operating a vehicle, you said
[01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:24.680]  when an officer testifies that he observed a descendant driving or operating a motor
[01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:28.720]  vehicle, he is testifying to a conclusion because he has assumed facts, not an evidence
[01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:31.960]  and has therefore committed perjury.
[01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:34.600]  That depends on the definitions in California.
[01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:35.600]  Sure.
[01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:42.880]  So if they're similar to Texas, then he, if he claims he observed you driving, that's
[01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:49.480]  a conclusion because driving is a special condition of operating a motor vehicle, right?
[01:48:49.480 --> 01:48:50.960]  It's operating in commerce.
[01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:56.840]  So he claims that he observed you operating the vehicle in commerce, but he hasn't presented
[01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:04.280]  in any information to separate the difference between private travel and commerce.
[01:49:04.280 --> 01:49:07.920]  So therefore he testified to a fact, not an evidence.
[01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:08.920]  Right.
[01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:09.920]  Okay.
[01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:12.840]  And, and we just, and we have a phone call coming in right now, Ron from California.
[01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:17.640]  I'm getting a note that, uh, he can shed some light on this situation and let's bring Ron
[01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:18.640]  into the conversation.
[01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:19.640]  Okay.
[01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:22.000]  Ron, what do you have for us?
[01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:23.000]  Okay.
[01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.560]  Uh, what Vince was telling you is accurate.
[01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:30.960]  You have to get a non-op slip and you have to pay for everything and anything in state
[01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:31.960]  of California.
[01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:36.160]  Now on the issue, apparently you have to pay for nothing too.
[01:49:36.160 --> 01:49:37.160]  It would seem.
[01:49:37.160 --> 01:49:38.160]  Yeah.
[01:49:38.160 --> 01:49:39.160]  Yeah.
[01:49:39.160 --> 01:49:43.160]  And on the issue of the, the lady that was on there just a few minutes ago, asking what
[01:49:43.160 --> 01:49:47.600]  to do about the, um, uh, the, uh, uh, garnishment.
[01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:48.600]  Okay.
[01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:56.480]  The franchise tax board is probably the worst taxing agency in the United States.
[01:49:56.480 --> 01:50:00.120]  They're like a thousand times worse than the IRS.
[01:50:00.120 --> 01:50:05.120]  Secondly, the DMV is an administrative agency.
[01:50:05.120 --> 01:50:09.400]  So any remedy that she would want or need it on there would, would, she would have to
[01:50:09.400 --> 01:50:15.920]  start an administrative process so that she could exhaust or whoever it is could exhaust
[01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:19.400]  all of their, uh, administrative rights.
[01:50:19.400 --> 01:50:24.740]  And the only way you're going to do it is you go to the DMV with, with your paperwork
[01:50:24.740 --> 01:50:26.720]  and notice them.
[01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:30.680]  And once you start noticing them through the administrative process, they have to answer
[01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:39.660]  you to give you validity as to why that charge should be made or that money should be paid.
[01:50:39.660 --> 01:50:45.960]  So you can cost them more than they would make by forcing them to answer you.
[01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:46.960]  Yes.
[01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.160]  There's a specification of issue.
[01:50:49.160 --> 01:50:55.200]  They have to be able to qualify and say why that claim is valid or has any validity.
[01:50:55.200 --> 01:50:59.200]  Otherwise it's frivolous.
[01:50:59.200 --> 01:51:04.200]  And what people don't realize, you're not going to go to a court and get constitutional,
[01:51:04.200 --> 01:51:10.560]  any kind of a constitutional process because all the courts are administrative.
[01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:16.200]  Well, there's, but the courts are also statutory.
[01:51:16.200 --> 01:51:17.200]  Yes.
[01:51:17.200 --> 01:51:18.200]  Yes.
[01:51:18.200 --> 01:51:22.920]  And if you read the statutes, you'll find that everything that's in the constitution
[01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:24.480]  is in the statutes.
[01:51:24.480 --> 01:51:32.800]  So the trick is, like when I went to ask to see a hearing, a smart mouth commander for
[01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:38.120]  the Denton County Sheriff's department said, well, Mr. Calton, under what authority are
[01:51:38.120 --> 01:51:40.200]  you requesting to see this hearing?
[01:51:40.200 --> 01:51:43.960]  He was wanting me to court constitution.
[01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:50.560]  And I said under authority of Article 1.24 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:54.600]  And to say the least, he was to fake on the back.
[01:51:54.600 --> 01:51:57.800]  It's all in the code.
[01:51:57.800 --> 01:52:01.120]  Everything that's in the constitution is in the code.
[01:52:01.120 --> 01:52:07.360]  So this argument that you can't enforce the constitution in the statutory court, that
[01:52:07.360 --> 01:52:16.320]  may be true, but it's moot because the statutes incorporate all the constitutional protections.
[01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:20.520]  It's quoted in terms of the constitutional and the statutory protection, it works just
[01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:21.520]  as well.
[01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:23.200]  And we can still beat them up.
[01:52:23.200 --> 01:52:24.200]  Right.
[01:52:24.200 --> 01:52:29.280]  But in the case of the DMV, it is an administrative agency.
[01:52:29.280 --> 01:52:37.480]  So you need to use the administrative procedures to begin with that make them answer as to
[01:52:37.480 --> 01:52:43.360]  why that claim is legitimate or it has, as far as I can see it from what I read and what
[01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:48.800]  I know, it would, you just can't go out and make a claim because it would be the same
[01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:52.120]  thing as if I make a claim to you, you know, against you.
[01:52:52.120 --> 01:52:57.880]  And I just say, well, Randy, you owe me $2,000.
[01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:08.920]  And without something to back it up, it's frivolous, you know, it has no force and effect.
[01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:17.920]  We really need someone in California who is similar to Eddie, what's his name, Craig,
[01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:18.920]  who has done the code.
[01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:21.920]  That's a good guy, that Eddie.
[01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:22.920]  Yes.
[01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:28.080]  Randy, I'll tell you, all the stuff Eddie says gets me all excited and then I start
[01:53:28.080 --> 01:53:30.480]  digging through the California code and it's a bitch here.
[01:53:30.480 --> 01:53:33.360]  I'll give you an example.
[01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:35.080]  California has no definition of an operator.
[01:53:35.080 --> 01:53:37.040]  They do have one as a driver and I'll read you that.
[01:53:37.040 --> 01:53:42.680]  It says, a driver is a person who drives or is in actual physical control of a vehicle.
[01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:48.360]  The term driver does not include the tillerman or other person, well, anyway, so vehicle.
[01:53:48.360 --> 01:53:53.520]  A vehicle is a device by which any person or property may be propelled, moved, or drawn
[01:53:53.520 --> 01:54:00.200]  upon a highway, accepting a device moved exclusively by human power or used exclusively upon stationary
[01:54:00.200 --> 01:54:03.400]  rails or tracks.
[01:54:03.400 --> 01:54:08.560]  And then you go to highway, highway is a place, highway is a way or place of whatever nature
[01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:14.480]  publicly maintained and open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular travel.
[01:54:14.480 --> 01:54:17.240]  Highway includes street.
[01:54:17.240 --> 01:54:22.400]  I'm not seeing the kinds of, at least in the definition, you know, the kinds of loopholes
[01:54:22.400 --> 01:54:24.200]  that you can find in Texas.
[01:54:24.200 --> 01:54:30.240]  Texas does have a really good law, a corpus juris.
[01:54:30.240 --> 01:54:38.080]  However, in California, you can maintain that that can only apply to commercial operation
[01:54:38.080 --> 01:54:41.840]  because travel is a right.
[01:54:41.840 --> 01:54:46.880]  Here in Texas, we can argue that we don't have to argue the right to travel.
[01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:51.080]  We can argue the difference between commercial and private travel.
[01:54:51.080 --> 01:54:55.700]  In California, if you don't have the statutes the way we do, you still have the constitutional
[01:54:55.700 --> 01:55:04.680]  right to freedom of movement and you can argue the right to travel as opposed to the matter
[01:55:04.680 --> 01:55:09.440]  of commercial or private.
[01:55:09.440 --> 01:55:13.480]  But don't you give up your constitutional rights when you apply for the license?
[01:55:13.480 --> 01:55:14.480]  No.
[01:55:14.480 --> 01:55:15.480]  No.
[01:55:15.480 --> 01:55:20.720]  I have a commercial license and it's like I told the Austin police officer when I gave
[01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:25.640]  him an ID instead of a license, he said, Mr. Kelton, do you have a Texas driver's license?
[01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:29.360]  I said, yes, I do, but I'm not using it right now.
[01:55:29.360 --> 01:55:30.360]  Yeah.
[01:55:30.360 --> 01:55:31.760]  He just happens to not be using it.
[01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:38.040]  I mean, it's like a truck driver who has a commercial license, which in Texas, all licenses
[01:55:38.040 --> 01:55:39.560]  are commercial anyway.
[01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:49.080]  I mean, when he's traveling to go see grandma with the kids in his own private vehicle,
[01:55:49.080 --> 01:55:51.260]  he's not using his commercial driver's license.
[01:55:51.260 --> 01:55:56.720]  He doesn't give up his right to travel with his family and his kids or by himself or whatever,
[01:55:56.720 --> 01:56:01.400]  just because he's a commercial truck driver as a means of living to earn wages.
[01:56:01.400 --> 01:56:08.120]  And every truck driver will tell you that when he's deadheading, DOT doesn't apply.
[01:56:08.120 --> 01:56:12.040]  He doesn't put that in his log book.
[01:56:12.040 --> 01:56:18.720]  So when he's deadheading, when he's not hauling for pay, he's traveling.
[01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:22.040]  He's not driving.
[01:56:22.040 --> 01:56:26.760]  But in California, if there's nothing in the statutes or codes that tie the driver license
[01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:31.840]  or driving or operating to commercial activity specifically.
[01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:33.000]  You claim the right to travel.
[01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:35.160]  I would wager that there are.
[01:56:35.160 --> 01:56:36.960]  I would wager that it is.
[01:56:36.960 --> 01:56:45.480]  If you look closely at the definitions, like in Texas, it uses the word person all over
[01:56:45.480 --> 01:56:49.480]  the place in the transportation code, but it's a ruse.
[01:56:49.480 --> 01:56:54.120]  If you look at the definition of the word person, it's defined as a commercial entity.
[01:56:54.120 --> 01:56:55.120]  Yeah.
[01:56:55.120 --> 01:56:56.120]  But this is California.
[01:56:56.120 --> 01:56:57.120]  I know.
[01:56:57.120 --> 01:56:58.120]  And that's what I'm saying.
[01:56:58.120 --> 01:57:03.320]  If you look very closely at the code and the definitions, I would tend to wager that it's
[01:57:03.320 --> 01:57:05.120]  going to be similar.
[01:57:05.120 --> 01:57:10.760]  If it's not there, someone needs to raise the issue or you might try to do some legal
[01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:15.760]  research to see if anyone has raised the issue of right to travel in California.
[01:57:15.760 --> 01:57:16.760]  Yeah.
[01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:19.840]  I might find some good case law on it.
[01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:25.080]  I can tell you that he is absolutely right when he says that there's no right to travel.
[01:57:25.080 --> 01:57:31.800]  You spring that argument onto anybody in law enforcement and guess what?
[01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:34.640]  You go to jail and you get your car towed.
[01:57:34.640 --> 01:57:35.640]  Guaranteed.
[01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:41.600]  Wait a minute, you're saying if you raise the issue, they'll take you to jail?
[01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:42.600]  Yes, sir.
[01:57:42.600 --> 01:57:43.600]  Yes, sir.
[01:57:43.600 --> 01:57:44.600]  I've heard that.
[01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:48.720]  You have no idea of how lawless this state is.
[01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:50.520]  Yeah, it's bad.
[01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:54.520]  And you just, I lived in Austin, Texas for five years.
[01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:58.160]  So I'm familiar with Williamson County where you're talking about and all the rest of that
[01:57:58.160 --> 01:58:00.160]  over there.
[01:58:00.160 --> 01:58:05.960]  And Austin, that place down there is a piece of cake compared to this place.
[01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:06.960]  Yeah.
[01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:09.000]  Well, Austin's not in Williamson County.
[01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:10.000]  Thank God.
[01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:15.200]  Real quick, real quick to everybody, the donation button is on the left in the upper left corner
[01:58:15.200 --> 01:58:17.160]  where the menus are.
[01:58:17.160 --> 01:58:22.000]  And Deborah, maybe you want to put the PayPal donate button that everybody's used to seeing
[01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:23.360]  somewhere right up near the top.
[01:58:23.360 --> 01:58:24.360]  Sure.
[01:58:24.360 --> 01:58:27.160]  Well, I have instructions for the donations on the donations page too, because I'd rather
[01:58:27.160 --> 01:58:28.480]  take checks at this point.
[01:58:28.480 --> 01:58:31.520]  But yeah, thank you very much.
[01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:34.440]  Maybe we should hook the donation button to everybody.
[01:58:34.440 --> 01:58:35.440]  Okay.
[01:58:35.440 --> 01:58:38.880]  Well, listen, I need to, it's time for the show to end.
[01:58:38.880 --> 01:58:39.880]  Thank you, Vince.
[01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:40.880]  Thank you, Ron.
[01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:43.560]  Terry, I'm sorry we didn't get to you, Amy.
[01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:44.560]  Call back in again.
[01:58:44.560 --> 01:58:47.280]  Terry, Amy, call back in tomorrow night.
[01:58:47.280 --> 01:58:48.840]  We'll take your calls first in line.
[01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:51.440]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:51.440 --> 01:59:19.800]  We'll be back tomorrow night.
[01:59:22.040 --> 01:59:24.880]  I'm like a step in the rain.
[01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:27.800]  Watch out for my signs.
[01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:28.800]  I'm dangerous.
[01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:29.800]  I'm so dangerous.
[01:59:29.800 --> 01:59:30.680]  I'm like a shopping razor.
[01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:31.680]  Don't touch my signs.
[01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:32.680]  I'm dangerous.
[01:59:32.680 --> 01:59:33.680]  Dangerous.
[01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:37.680]  I'm like this jumping razor, don't touch my side
[01:59:37.680 --> 01:59:40.680]  I'm dangerous, dangerous
[01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:43.680]  If you eat, I'll spawn
[01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:47.680]  If you treat me good
[01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:51.680]  If you drink, let's sue
[01:59:51.680 --> 02:00:03.680]  You better treat me good