ROL_2009-07-24_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:16.060 --> 00:22.080]  of Gulf War Syndrome and a host of other debilitating diseases.
[00:22.080 --> 00:27.680]  Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer has agreed to pay $75 million to settle a class action lawsuit
[00:27.680 --> 00:33.640]  filed by Nigerian parents who claim the company caused harm to their children by using them
[00:33.640 --> 00:39.840]  as guinea pigs in a non-consensual, unlicensed drug trial.
[00:39.840 --> 00:45.000]  The National Security Agency will begin work this summer on a 1 million square foot data
[00:45.000 --> 00:49.340]  warehouse costing more than $1.5 billion.
[00:49.340 --> 00:54.520]  The highly secret facility is designed to house trillions of phone calls, emails and
[00:54.520 --> 01:02.600]  internet searches eavesdropped by the agency.
[01:02.600 --> 01:07.280]  The British government has announced parents will be forced to sign contracts to ensure
[01:07.280 --> 01:10.140]  their children behave at school.
[01:10.140 --> 01:14.240]  Students and their families will be required to agree to the deal, setting out minimum
[01:14.240 --> 01:19.320]  standards of behavior and attendance before the start of term.
[01:19.320 --> 01:23.720]  Contracts known as home-school agreements will also establish parents' responsibilities
[01:23.720 --> 01:25.480]  for the first time.
[01:25.480 --> 01:30.800]  They face possible fines of $1,500 for repeatedly breaking rules.
[01:30.800 --> 01:35.600]  Under plans laid out in a government white paper, the contracts will become compulsory
[01:35.600 --> 01:38.560]  in all English state schools.
[01:38.560 --> 01:43.320]  Schools Secretary Ed Balls said the changes would help stop a single student disrupting
[01:43.320 --> 01:46.600]  the education of his or her classmates.
[01:46.600 --> 01:49.000]  Home-school agreements are already in widespread use.
[01:49.000 --> 01:54.320]  They are currently imposed on the parents of unruly children, but under new rules, all
[01:54.320 --> 02:01.800]  parents of children starting school for the first time will be required to sign them.
[02:01.800 --> 02:07.720]  Ethical hacker Chris Padgett recently cruised the streets of San Francisco with the objective
[02:07.720 --> 02:13.480]  of reading the identity cards of strangers wirelessly without ever leaving his car.
[02:13.480 --> 02:19.000]  Within an hour, his scanner downloaded to his laptop the serial numbers of six pedestrians'
[02:19.000 --> 02:26.840]  electronic U.S. passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags.
[02:26.840 --> 02:33.560]  In 2005, the State Department reassured Americans that the e-passport's chip would emit radio
[02:33.560 --> 02:38.280]  waves only within a four-inch radius, making it tougher to hack.
[02:38.280 --> 02:43.440]  But at Cambridge University, a student intercepted a transmission from an e-passport from a
[02:43.440 --> 02:45.680]  hundred and sixty feet.
[02:45.680 --> 02:50.040]  Padgett said he knew of people who, on receiving a new driver's license or credit card, put
[02:50.040 --> 02:52.080]  the card in a microwave oven.
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[04:58.800 --> 05:03.720]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, we're taking your calls tonight discussing
[05:03.720 --> 05:04.720]  what's on your mind.
[05:04.720 --> 05:07.300]  Right now, we're talking with John in Kentucky.
[05:07.300 --> 05:10.160]  We're going to continue on after we finish up with John.
[05:10.160 --> 05:13.400]  We're going to go through all the first-time callers first, so first-time callers especially
[05:13.400 --> 05:14.400]  hang on the line.
[05:14.400 --> 05:15.400]  Everyone hang on the line.
[05:15.400 --> 05:18.800]  We will take your calls, so just stay right where you are.
[05:18.800 --> 05:20.480]  Okay, John, continue.
[05:20.480 --> 05:23.120]  John, first, a question.
[05:23.120 --> 05:27.440]  Take Bravo Lima or take Gulf Lima?
[05:27.440 --> 05:28.440]  Bravo Lima.
[05:28.440 --> 05:29.440]  Bravo Lima.
[05:29.440 --> 05:30.440]  Okay, got it.
[05:30.440 --> 05:31.440]  Okay, so go ahead.
[05:31.440 --> 05:40.400]  Answering your question is that on that website, there's a case to answer the ladies who mentioned
[05:40.400 --> 05:41.400]  about it.
[05:41.400 --> 05:50.400]  It's called Palmer vs. Municipal Court 387 U.S. 523, 1967, the Supreme Court Rule, a
[05:50.400 --> 05:57.400]  Fourth Amendment boss of prosecution of a person who refused to permit warrantless co-enforcement
[05:57.400 --> 06:04.880]  in fact, inspection of his personal residence, Frank vs. Maryland Superiors Pro, you know,
[06:04.880 --> 06:06.880]  and a page of 528-534.
[06:06.880 --> 06:07.880]  528 who?
[06:07.880 --> 06:08.880]  528 who?
[06:08.880 --> 06:22.040]  This is the case in the U.S. Supreme Court, it's Kamara, C-A-M-A-R-A, 1st Municipal
[06:22.040 --> 06:23.040]  Court.
[06:23.040 --> 06:24.040]  381 U.S. 523.
[06:24.040 --> 06:27.680]  381 U.S. 523.
[06:27.680 --> 06:31.560]  And the next one you mentioned, 528.
[06:31.560 --> 06:40.720]  That is another case, that is Frank vs. Maryland, 359 U.S. 360.
[06:40.720 --> 06:43.720]  U.S. 360, 569?
[06:43.720 --> 06:46.720]  559, 359.
[06:46.720 --> 06:52.600]  Oh, 359 U.S. 360, okay, got it.
[06:52.600 --> 06:58.520]  359 U.S. 360, but even though with all, with this case, you know, like, and don't do you
[06:58.520 --> 07:05.120]  any good, the guy, the judge, do not want to entertain this man or would not even entertain
[07:05.120 --> 07:08.600]  the, what they call the, Wu vs. Hopkins, okay?
[07:08.600 --> 07:12.040]  Yeah, Wu vs. Hopkins, we're familiar with that one.
[07:12.040 --> 07:18.720]  And also that, you know, like, he, you know, allowed that the, the local code trumps the
[07:18.720 --> 07:23.640]  U.S. Constitution as well as the Kentucky Constitution.
[07:23.640 --> 07:29.680]  Kentucky Constitution is very unique because one of the Constitution, the Bureau of Rights
[07:29.680 --> 07:36.680]  is specifically mentioned about that, arbitrary right, and also the absolute power nowhere
[07:36.680 --> 07:39.000]  exists in the commonwealth, okay?
[07:39.000 --> 07:43.280]  No one has arbitrary power, not even to the largest majority.
[07:43.280 --> 07:49.160]  That means that if we have one million people here in the room, the largest majority would
[07:49.160 --> 07:52.600]  be 999,099, okay?
[07:52.600 --> 07:54.800]  That would be the largest majority.
[07:54.800 --> 08:02.480]  Kentucky's Constitution specifically prohibited the, the arbitrary power and also the absolute
[08:02.480 --> 08:03.480]  power.
[08:03.480 --> 08:09.160]  But these guys don't read the Constitution, ignore the Constitution, ignore the U.S. Constitution,
[08:09.160 --> 08:11.640]  ignore the Supreme Court ruling.
[08:11.640 --> 08:17.200]  And then again, furthermore, that the, the juror listen, sitting on that bench and listen
[08:17.200 --> 08:21.680]  to all these things, this, this government witness lie and still find me guilty.
[08:21.680 --> 08:22.680]  I don't understand.
[08:22.680 --> 08:25.680]  So, but anyway,
[08:25.680 --> 08:26.680]  Okay.
[08:26.680 --> 08:27.680]  Let me make a suggestion.
[08:27.680 --> 08:29.640]  All right.
[08:29.640 --> 08:38.920]  When the public official took office, the public officials swore to an oath of office, wait,
[08:38.920 --> 08:40.760]  they swore to an oath of office.
[08:40.760 --> 08:42.400]  Right.
[08:42.400 --> 08:50.840]  When they swore to an oath of office, that was a act that engaged them in a contractual
[08:50.840 --> 08:54.640]  agreement with the state.
[08:54.640 --> 09:01.280]  And the contract they entered into with the state was to perform the duties they're required
[09:01.280 --> 09:06.320]  to perform and uphold the Constitution, protect, or protect, uphold the laws of the state of
[09:06.320 --> 09:09.800]  Kentucky to protect the Constitution of the United States.
[09:09.800 --> 09:12.240]  See, Randy, this is even better.
[09:12.240 --> 09:16.920]  In Kentucky Constitution, all lawyers have to take that under what they call Section
[09:16.920 --> 09:17.920]  228.
[09:17.920 --> 09:21.960]  Every single attorney has to take that oath.
[09:21.960 --> 09:22.960]  Good.
[09:22.960 --> 09:23.960]  Okay.
[09:23.960 --> 09:24.960]  Okay.
[09:24.960 --> 09:26.440]  Here's where I'm going.
[09:26.440 --> 09:32.960]  If they violate their oath, they repudiate the contract.
[09:32.960 --> 09:45.200]  So if the action harms you and the harm amounts to a violation of due process, that harm rings
[09:45.200 --> 09:48.280]  in tort.
[09:48.280 --> 09:51.360]  It also rings in contort.
[09:51.360 --> 09:56.520]  And this is why contort is important.
[09:56.520 --> 10:03.880]  They have entered into a contract, and if you're engaged in a contract with someone
[10:03.880 --> 10:11.440]  and they violate a tenant of the contract, and you have to sue, you have a right to recover
[10:11.440 --> 10:13.280]  attorney fees.
[10:13.280 --> 10:18.560]  If someone bashes into you with their car, that creates a tort.
[10:18.560 --> 10:21.360]  You don't have a contractual arrangement with that person.
[10:21.360 --> 10:26.360]  You could sue them, but you can't get attorney fees.
[10:26.360 --> 10:34.280]  In this case, the prosecutor for the state and the judge for the state has entered into
[10:34.280 --> 10:36.600]  a contract with the state.
[10:36.600 --> 10:41.520]  And you are the intended third-party beneficiary.
[10:41.520 --> 10:48.460]  That's called quitique, or quitique use.
[10:48.460 --> 10:59.680]  Your quitique use, you are the intended third-party beneficiary that gives you standing to adjudicate
[10:59.680 --> 11:02.720]  the contract with the state.
[11:02.720 --> 11:11.920]  And you can maintain that if the officer violated a law relating to his office, he repudiated
[11:11.920 --> 11:15.880]  the constitution, the contract with the state.
[11:15.880 --> 11:27.000]  And therefore, the consideration that he received from the state based on his oath of office,
[11:27.000 --> 11:35.840]  which created the constitution, his paycheck, that he received that in fraud.
[11:35.840 --> 11:41.960]  What I have said to him, and he will probably be mad because I declare him as the enemy
[11:41.960 --> 11:50.040]  of the state because under the 14th Amendment, anyone who did not uphold the U.S. Constitution
[11:50.040 --> 11:51.800]  is an enemy of the state.
[11:51.800 --> 12:00.360]  And then again, his pension and all that things should be forfeited under the 14th Amendment.
[12:00.360 --> 12:06.600]  In that case, you should look at going to Homeland Security.
[12:06.600 --> 12:13.720]  Homeland Security, those of us in legal reform hate Homeland Security.
[12:13.720 --> 12:18.160]  However, it does have another side.
[12:18.160 --> 12:24.440]  If you can show by statute that this person is an enemy of the state, you can stick Homeland
[12:24.440 --> 12:27.440]  Security on it.
[12:27.440 --> 12:33.760]  But you can also sue him for contractual violation.
[12:33.760 --> 12:38.840]  I can file a federal lawsuit on him on a civil, civil suiting term.
[12:38.840 --> 12:39.840]  Yes.
[12:39.840 --> 12:44.880]  And I sued four judges and a prosecutor and a mayor and a whole lot of people.
[12:44.880 --> 12:45.880]  Yes.
[12:45.880 --> 12:53.280]  And okay, what they're going to claim is that they have qualified immunity or sovereign
[12:53.280 --> 12:54.280]  immunity.
[12:54.280 --> 13:03.880]  And you will maintain that they have violated their contract with the state and acted outside
[13:03.880 --> 13:06.840]  the scope of their authority.
[13:06.840 --> 13:09.160]  And therefore, they don't have any immunity.
[13:09.160 --> 13:14.160]  When I filed a lawsuit on them, it's pretty extensive.
[13:14.160 --> 13:20.680]  I filed that they have violated the 42 U.S.C., 1983.
[13:20.680 --> 13:27.200]  Okay, back up.
[13:27.200 --> 13:31.640]  We're talking about the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[13:31.640 --> 13:40.600]  The first half of the Ku Klux Klan Act is 18 U.S. Code 242.
[13:40.600 --> 13:44.000]  241, 242, I did file.
[13:44.000 --> 13:48.000]  Okay, that makes their actions a criminal act.
[13:48.000 --> 13:51.080]  You need to file with the U.S. attorney.
[13:51.080 --> 13:54.800]  Okay, now you're going to like this part.
[13:54.800 --> 13:55.800]  Okay.
[13:55.800 --> 14:01.560]  If they violated a law relating to their office and in the process denied you in the
[14:01.560 --> 14:05.240]  full and free access to a joint of any right, that's a crime.
[14:05.240 --> 14:13.000]  So what you do is you make up a criminal accusation against them and you put it in an envelope
[14:13.000 --> 14:20.320]  and on the front of the envelope, you put, address it to Foreman of the United States
[14:20.320 --> 14:22.320]  Grand Jury.
[14:22.320 --> 14:25.880]  Foreman of the United States Grand Jury, okay.
[14:25.880 --> 14:31.680]  Yes, and then you look up the address of your local U.S. attorney.
[14:31.680 --> 14:32.680]  Okay.
[14:32.680 --> 14:38.000]  And you put his address on there, but don't put his name on there anywhere.
[14:38.000 --> 14:39.000]  Okay.
[14:39.000 --> 14:46.440]  And inside the envelope, you put a letter asking the Foreman to initial this letter
[14:46.440 --> 14:53.600]  and send it back to you and tell the Foreman that you have reason to believe that the U.S.
[14:53.600 --> 14:59.160]  attorney has a stamp with the Foreman's name on it.
[14:59.160 --> 15:05.000]  And he often uses that stamp without the Foreman's knowledge.
[15:05.000 --> 15:12.280]  Therefore, you do not want the Foreman to sign this letter and send it back, but rather
[15:12.280 --> 15:19.040]  initial it and send it back to you so that you will know for sure that the Foreman received
[15:19.040 --> 15:20.800]  this letter.
[15:20.800 --> 15:22.920]  Okay.
[15:22.920 --> 15:28.800]  Then you wait about a week and if you don't receive that letter in the mail, then you
[15:28.800 --> 15:36.840]  make up another criminal complaint, except this time you accuse the U.S. attorney of
[15:36.840 --> 15:41.880]  secreting your complaint from the Grand Jury.
[15:41.880 --> 15:43.320]  Okay.
[15:43.320 --> 15:47.680]  And when the U.S. attorney opens this one, which he will get the first one and open it
[15:47.680 --> 15:53.520]  himself and say, I'm not giving this to the Grand Jury and throw it in the trash.
[15:53.520 --> 16:00.360]  When he gets the second one accusing him of interfering with the mail and secreting criminal
[16:00.360 --> 16:09.200]  complaints from the Grand Jury, then he will say, that SOB set me up.
[16:09.200 --> 16:11.740]  And he'll be right, you did.
[16:11.740 --> 16:16.680]  When you send the second complaint to the Grand Jury, you send a complaint to the United
[16:16.680 --> 16:19.720]  States Postal Service.
[16:19.720 --> 16:25.400]  And the United States Postal Service will go down there and crawl down his throat, stomping
[16:25.400 --> 16:26.920]  their feet all the way.
[16:26.920 --> 16:30.880]  What do you mean sending to the United States Postal Service?
[16:30.880 --> 16:39.440]  You send a complaint accusing the U.S. attorney of opening mail directed to the Foreman of
[16:39.440 --> 16:40.440]  the Grand Jury.
[16:40.440 --> 16:43.040]  Oh, I see, mail fraud.
[16:43.040 --> 16:45.360]  Mail fraud.
[16:45.360 --> 16:50.680]  And the Postal Service don't care who he is.
[16:50.680 --> 16:55.200]  This has been very effective in beating up U.S. attorneys.
[16:55.200 --> 17:03.960]  And right now, as I understand, there's a special political atmosphere.
[17:03.960 --> 17:12.520]  Obama got in office and he had all these U.S. attorneys hired by President Bush, but he
[17:12.520 --> 17:18.600]  didn't fire all of them because President Bush got in and fired all of the U.S. attorneys
[17:18.600 --> 17:21.120]  and hired his own buddies.
[17:21.120 --> 17:25.280]  And it caused Bush continuous problems.
[17:25.280 --> 17:28.720]  The problems Bush had are still going on from that.
[17:28.720 --> 17:34.080]  So Obama didn't want to get into that mess, so he left these guys in place.
[17:34.080 --> 17:40.560]  And now he has the U.S. attorney general going after U.S. attorneys that he doesn't like
[17:40.560 --> 17:43.360]  try to get rid of them.
[17:43.360 --> 17:46.160]  So U.S. attorneys are terrified right now.
[17:46.160 --> 17:49.560]  Actually, if I can interject, it's not mail fraud.
[17:49.560 --> 17:54.200]  It's interfering with the delivery of the U.S. mail, which is an even bigger felony.
[17:54.200 --> 17:58.360]  Yeah, I'm thinking it's 18 U.S. Code 3603 or 3609.
[17:58.360 --> 17:59.960]  Anyway, I forget.
[17:59.960 --> 18:01.760]  Yeah, but that's interfering with the public mail.
[18:01.760 --> 18:05.760]  By the way, Randy, I just wanted to note, do you have something like this thing written
[18:05.760 --> 18:08.200]  in your website?
[18:08.200 --> 18:13.200]  Not exactly, but if you'll send me an email, I'll send you kind of an explanation of how
[18:13.200 --> 18:14.960]  to do this.
[18:14.960 --> 18:18.640]  This is a way to open up the grand juries.
[18:18.640 --> 18:26.600]  And it's a special time because the U.S. attorney general is sort of at war with the U.S. attorneys.
[18:26.600 --> 18:31.760]  He's trying to find reasons to get rid of the ones he doesn't, they don't like.
[18:31.760 --> 18:36.360]  The problems the U.S. attorneys have is they don't know which ones aren't liked.
[18:36.360 --> 18:38.600]  So all of them are terrified.
[18:38.600 --> 18:43.080]  So this is a real good time.
[18:43.080 --> 18:44.080]  Go ahead.
[18:44.080 --> 18:46.240]  They're waiting for reasons to do that.
[18:46.240 --> 18:47.240]  Yes.
[18:47.240 --> 18:49.960]  So we give them a reason.
[18:49.960 --> 18:52.720]  This is kind of we kind of bushwhacked the U.S. attorney.
[18:52.720 --> 18:59.720]  They're used to doing this nonsense, but they're not used to someone attacking them for it.
[18:59.720 --> 19:04.080]  The FBI just got a 20 million dollar grant to go after.
[19:04.080 --> 19:07.040]  I'm sorry, that's not really appropriate.
[19:07.040 --> 19:13.600]  To go after financial frauds, I know he doesn't go to hear them, but it's politically sensitive
[19:13.600 --> 19:15.120]  right now.
[19:15.120 --> 19:16.120]  I see.
[19:16.120 --> 19:21.800]  Obama wants to get rid of these guys, but not have to pay a political price for it.
[19:21.800 --> 19:22.800]  I see.
[19:22.800 --> 19:24.320]  So he needs a reason.
[19:24.320 --> 19:27.080]  So you give him a reason to get rid of this guy.
[19:27.080 --> 19:28.080]  OK.
[19:28.080 --> 19:29.080]  Good.
[19:29.080 --> 19:33.800]  And whether you get rid of him or not, you're going to scare the bejesus out of him.
[19:33.800 --> 19:34.800]  OK.
[19:34.800 --> 19:35.800]  That's good.
[19:35.800 --> 19:38.760]  And get him to stop protecting the trumps underneath him.
[19:38.760 --> 19:39.760]  OK.
[19:39.760 --> 19:40.760]  That's good.
[19:40.760 --> 19:41.760]  OK.
[19:41.760 --> 19:42.760]  Send me an email.
[19:42.760 --> 19:43.760]  We'll correspond.
[19:43.760 --> 19:44.760]  And I'll give you the details.
[19:44.760 --> 19:45.760]  We've got to listen.
[19:45.760 --> 19:46.760]  OK.
[19:46.760 --> 19:47.760]  Yeah.
[19:47.760 --> 19:50.360]  We need to move on now, John, because we've got a whole lot of callers, a lot of first
[19:50.360 --> 19:51.360]  time callers, too.
[19:51.360 --> 19:52.360]  All right.
[19:52.360 --> 19:53.360]  Maybe next time then.
[19:53.360 --> 19:54.360]  OK.
[19:54.360 --> 19:55.360]  Thank you.
[19:55.360 --> 19:56.360]  Stay in touch.
[19:56.360 --> 19:57.360]  You're a lot of fun.
[19:57.360 --> 19:58.360]  OK.
[19:58.360 --> 19:59.360]  Thank you.
[19:59.360 --> 20:00.360]  OK.
[20:00.360 --> 20:04.400]  Paul in New Hampshire, another first time caller.
[20:04.400 --> 20:05.760]  Paul, thanks for calling in.
[20:05.760 --> 20:06.760]  What's on your mind tonight?
[20:06.760 --> 20:14.400]  Well, first off, I just want to say thank you for what you guys are doing on your radio
[20:14.400 --> 20:15.400]  station.
[20:15.400 --> 20:19.600]  They're really helping people like us out here in the audience.
[20:19.600 --> 20:21.200]  Oh, thank you.
[20:21.200 --> 20:22.200]  Yes.
[20:22.200 --> 20:25.520]  And we appreciate that more than you know.
[20:25.520 --> 20:28.480]  What we do here is extremely difficult.
[20:28.480 --> 20:34.720]  Debra and I are both have just used up about every resource we have to keep this going.
[20:34.720 --> 20:40.040]  And it really helps to hear that what we're doing is appreciated.
[20:40.040 --> 20:45.080]  And any donations anyone could possibly send would really, really help because it's we
[20:45.080 --> 20:46.880]  are very, very strapped right now.
[20:46.880 --> 20:48.520]  It's very expensive to do this.
[20:48.520 --> 20:49.520]  Yes.
[20:49.520 --> 20:51.280]  And my beer fund only has a nickel in it.
[20:51.280 --> 20:52.560]  So go ahead, Paul.
[20:52.560 --> 20:53.560]  What's your question?
[20:53.560 --> 21:03.720]  OK, I'm being sued by we'll call it XYZ Corporation located out in California for an alleged copyright
[21:03.720 --> 21:04.720]  infringement.
[21:04.720 --> 21:12.480]  I believe they're nuts, but we'll find out later, I guess.
[21:12.480 --> 21:18.680]  Well just to let you see what happened here, fortunately for me, you guys have this show
[21:18.680 --> 21:24.680]  and Agenda 21 and when Mike Beiter was on I used to listen to him all the time.
[21:24.680 --> 21:32.120]  So that gave me some knowledge about doing the administrative process and copyrighting
[21:32.120 --> 21:33.840]  my name.
[21:33.840 --> 21:36.000]  So I did all of that stuff.
[21:36.000 --> 21:41.600]  And the other day I get a letter from a greedy California law firm looking to represent me
[21:41.600 --> 21:45.520]  in a lawsuit that I had no idea was even there.
[21:45.520 --> 21:50.680]  And thanks to your shows and stuff I was able to do a few things.
[21:50.680 --> 22:00.680]  And what I did was I was able to put together an affidavit that had in it the copyright
[22:00.680 --> 22:06.560]  portion of it, which noticed them that my copyright was in place and if they impringe
[22:06.560 --> 22:14.560]  my copyright that the fee would be $15,000 in gold or silver that would be transferable
[22:14.560 --> 22:21.160]  at an exchange rate of $24 to $1 and that they would have to pay within five days and
[22:21.160 --> 22:25.440]  then there's a penalty of $1,000 in gold and silver if they don't pay.
[22:25.440 --> 22:32.840]  So I sent this oh and then also in that document I also had it, you know, because it's one
[22:32.840 --> 22:38.480]  of those self-authenticating documents, I also had in it that if they were to default
[22:38.480 --> 22:49.400]  that would go to say that they have no standing to bring charges against me and they have
[22:49.400 --> 22:57.280]  no evidence and I told them I also demanded that they prove their claim in there as well.
[22:57.280 --> 23:06.920]  Now since I sent those they have defaulted on that because they responded to me but they
[23:06.920 --> 23:11.360]  didn't answer any of the allegations that I had in there or anything.
[23:11.360 --> 23:13.360]  So their answer was non-responsive?
[23:13.360 --> 23:14.360]  Exactly.
[23:14.360 --> 23:17.080]  Well, I have another point here.
[23:17.080 --> 23:19.800]  I don't know how you're going to get around the legal tender laws.
[23:19.800 --> 23:26.120]  I don't know how you're going to get around HJR 192 by demanding payment in gold and
[23:26.120 --> 23:27.120]  silver.
[23:27.120 --> 23:29.720]  I don't know if that's going to hold up.
[23:29.720 --> 23:32.600]  They waive their right to object by not responding.
[23:32.600 --> 23:37.920]  Yeah, but still even if he wins the civil case or even if he's able to enforce a lien
[23:37.920 --> 23:45.120]  based on that fault and subsequent default, etc., he may get a judgment but it may not
[23:45.120 --> 23:49.840]  be enforced that they pay him in gold and silver because of HJR 192.
[23:49.840 --> 23:53.320]  That part there you may not get adjudicated by the way.
[23:53.320 --> 23:59.840]  But if they don't, if he required it in gold or silver specie and they determined that
[23:59.840 --> 24:06.800]  he has to pay in reserve, then he has protected the value of his claim.
[24:06.800 --> 24:12.040]  Well what I'm saying is that the court may rule that he has a valid claim and that they
[24:12.040 --> 24:14.320]  were in default and that they didn't rebut the claim.
[24:14.320 --> 24:18.240]  But as far as when push comes to shove and the rubber hits the road, as far as the judgment
[24:18.240 --> 24:24.760]  is concerned, he may lose that part because that's pretty clear concerning legal tender.
[24:24.760 --> 24:32.760]  Yes, but I put $15,000 in gold or silver or federal reserve notes.
[24:32.760 --> 24:33.760]  Oh, okay.
[24:33.760 --> 24:34.760]  All right.
[24:34.760 --> 24:36.760]  That's the exchange rate of 24 to 1.
[24:36.760 --> 24:37.960]  Okay, so good.
[24:37.960 --> 24:41.480]  You protected the value of the gold and silver.
[24:41.480 --> 24:51.400]  So if the value relative to the legal tender varies, you still get the value of the gold
[24:51.400 --> 24:52.400]  or silver.
[24:52.400 --> 24:53.400]  Yes.
[24:53.400 --> 24:57.640]  Actually, he's a little bit short, he only valued it at one-fifth the true value against
[24:57.640 --> 24:59.200]  the paper dollar.
[24:59.200 --> 25:01.400]  It's 100 times, not 24.
[25:01.400 --> 25:07.960]  No, it's just, yes, 900, gold is like 900 something right now.
[25:07.960 --> 25:08.960]  Right.
[25:08.960 --> 25:12.380]  So when he sent that in, he locked it in.
[25:12.380 --> 25:17.880]  So he locked it into the value of gold or silver and they'll choose the least valuable
[25:17.880 --> 25:18.880]  one.
[25:18.880 --> 25:21.520]  You probably should have just said gold.
[25:21.520 --> 25:24.880]  What I'm saying is I don't think it would fly either way.
[25:24.880 --> 25:29.840]  It'll give him a problem in either case.
[25:29.840 --> 25:30.840]  Go ahead.
[25:30.840 --> 25:34.400]  If it does, I'll accept the silver, I'm not worried about it.
[25:34.400 --> 25:37.880]  I'll take the federal reserve notes, I don't care.
[25:37.880 --> 25:47.400]  Anyway, all right, so I did all that and tomorrow I'm going to send the default notice to perfect
[25:47.400 --> 25:48.400]  that.
[25:48.400 --> 25:57.760]  Now, since then, because that law firm sent me that thing looking for my business, they
[25:57.760 --> 25:59.480]  gave me a two-week window.
[25:59.480 --> 26:02.840]  So that enabled me to send these documents.
[26:02.840 --> 26:10.280]  I sent one to the California District Court, I sent another one to the lawyer, the attorney
[26:10.280 --> 26:21.760]  for the legal fiction, and I also sent one to the judge because the judge, they all broke
[26:21.760 --> 26:28.960]  my copyright twice because they sent me two copies of this document.
[26:28.960 --> 26:33.760]  So I sent them all a demand for the money, so we'll see what happens.
[26:33.760 --> 26:40.080]  But there's a couple of things that I'm looking at here.
[26:40.080 --> 26:46.480]  Now when somebody files a complaint, don't they have to have firsthand knowledge of the
[26:46.480 --> 26:47.480]  facts?
[26:47.480 --> 26:48.480]  No.
[26:48.480 --> 26:49.480]  No.
[26:49.480 --> 26:50.480]  So...
[26:50.480 --> 26:51.480]  Not on a complaint.
[26:51.480 --> 26:54.480]  Not a criminal complaint.
[26:54.480 --> 26:56.880]  No, this is civil.
[26:56.880 --> 26:57.880]  Even a civil complaint.
[26:57.880 --> 27:01.520]  A civil complaint just alleges a harm.
[27:01.520 --> 27:03.080]  Okay.
[27:03.080 --> 27:07.880]  But doesn't the one that is harmed have to lodge the complaint?
[27:07.880 --> 27:11.360]  Okay, you have to have standing.
[27:11.360 --> 27:15.520]  In civil, you have to have standing, so you have to be the injured party.
[27:15.520 --> 27:21.800]  Well, then the attorney for the XYZ Corporation was not harmed.
[27:21.800 --> 27:23.040]  So he can't...
[27:23.040 --> 27:32.640]  Okay, the attorney, if he acts in the name of the XYZ Corporation, he can do that.
[27:32.640 --> 27:38.080]  However, what you need to do is file a Rule 12 challenge.
[27:38.080 --> 27:41.920]  It's Rule 12 in federal and in Texas, it's probably...
[27:41.920 --> 27:45.600]  It's common across the states to number them the same.
[27:45.600 --> 27:51.360]  A Rule 12 challenge is a demand for the attorney to show agency.
[27:51.360 --> 27:58.160]  Would that be the same as Rule 17A?
[27:58.160 --> 27:59.520]  Rule 17A.
[27:59.520 --> 28:01.880]  What state?
[28:01.880 --> 28:08.480]  I live in New Hampshire, but they're saying that California has the jurisdiction.
[28:08.480 --> 28:10.440]  Okay.
[28:10.440 --> 28:14.680]  This goes to agency, goes to standing.
[28:14.680 --> 28:23.080]  This attorney, in order to have standing, to stand before the court, has to prove that
[28:23.080 --> 28:26.400]  he has agency.
[28:26.400 --> 28:30.280]  Agency may not be proven out of the mouth of the agent.
[28:30.280 --> 28:33.320]  It must be proven out of the mouth of the principal.
[28:33.320 --> 28:38.400]  So, like in Texas, it's a Rule 12 challenge.
[28:38.400 --> 28:40.160]  Show you have agency.
[28:40.160 --> 28:49.480]  So file a motion demanding that the attorney who claims to be representing the plaintiff
[28:49.480 --> 28:53.960]  show that he has standing to represent the plaintiff.
[28:53.960 --> 28:57.080]  And here's how he must do it.
[28:57.080 --> 29:06.560]  He must show that he has standing either by direct testimony from the principal or a contract
[29:06.560 --> 29:13.800]  with the principal, a wet ink signature contract with the principal, an original, not a copy.
[29:13.800 --> 29:19.080]  So XYZ Corporation can't sign anything because it's a legal firm?
[29:19.080 --> 29:30.240]  Well, XYZ Corporation has a CEO or some other official with power of attorney for the corporation.
[29:30.240 --> 29:38.280]  Whoever that is can sign a contract with whoever this attorney is, but it has to be a wet ink
[29:38.280 --> 29:39.280]  signature contract.
[29:39.280 --> 29:40.280]  It can't be a copy.
[29:40.280 --> 29:41.280]  All right.
[29:41.280 --> 29:42.720]  Listen, Paul, hold on the line.
[29:42.720 --> 29:43.720]  We're going to break.
[29:43.720 --> 29:44.720]  Okay?
[29:44.720 --> 29:45.720]  Okay.
[29:45.720 --> 29:46.720]  All right.
[29:46.720 --> 29:49.640]  So stand on the other side and continue to take your calls.
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[29:52.640 --> 29:58.720]  We'll be right back in just a moment.
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[30:00.680 --> 30:03.680]  And with the recent pullback, this is a great time to buy.
[30:03.680 --> 30:08.280]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties and instability
[30:08.280 --> 30:11.800]  in world financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
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[31:23.440 --> 31:42.800]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes I simply must refuse your news also come in
[31:42.800 --> 31:49.360]  light It seems you like the fact but please take
[31:49.360 --> 31:58.160]  some words to the wise Please stop trying to pull the wool over my
[31:58.160 --> 32:22.960]  eyes
[32:28.960 --> 32:36.960]  An orange is an orange and will never be an apple
[32:36.960 --> 32:44.960]  This image is an oaf It is no tough concept to grapple
[32:44.960 --> 32:52.960]  It's just too much to bear I won't wear your evil shackles
[32:52.960 --> 33:00.960]  A bluebird is a bluebird and will never be a grackle
[33:22.960 --> 33:38.960]  Can you say cover up What's up, cat got you done
[33:38.960 --> 33:46.960]  Please open your eyes further Don't help murder these soldiers so young
[33:46.960 --> 33:54.960]  To profit from criminals at minimum
[33:54.960 --> 34:18.960]  Can you say cover up
[34:24.960 --> 34:28.960]  When that comes back perfected and it's been defaulted
[34:28.960 --> 34:38.960]  Can I use that to file a motion to dismiss the case because they've already let it go?
[34:38.960 --> 35:02.960]  I sent them an administrative procedure in that it said that if they default on that
[35:02.960 --> 35:28.960]  To prove their claim To show me evidence that they had anything to substantiate their case
[35:28.960 --> 35:32.960]  That's correct So based on that you move for summary judgment
[35:32.960 --> 35:38.960]  Summary judgment Leaves no facts in contention
[35:38.960 --> 35:46.960]  Since they failed to raise objections or indicate facts in contention
[35:46.960 --> 35:54.960]  Then there are no facts in contention and all facts lead to the adjudication of the case in your favor
[35:54.960 --> 36:02.960]  You move for summary judgment Okay, now I've already sent them an abatement
[36:02.960 --> 36:06.960]  The abatement is different Right
[36:06.960 --> 36:20.960]  Was the first thing you did a nuns pro-tunk Okay, nuns pro-tunk means you have used the wrong name
[36:20.960 --> 36:30.960]  You filed your claim against the wrong person or you have filed your claim in an inappropriate venue
[36:30.960 --> 36:40.960]  And that goes to an abatement Well, I sent the abatement for the name
[36:40.960 --> 36:44.960]  The name in all capitals and that's not my real name
[36:44.960 --> 36:54.960]  Was that the first thing that you did? Yes Did they respond? Not yet
[36:54.960 --> 37:01.960]  Is there time to respond? Has their time to respond expired? No, not yet
[37:01.960 --> 37:08.960]  Okay, do nothing, say nothing until their time to respond expires Right
[37:08.960 --> 37:20.960]  And if they do respond, look closely at the answer to make sure that the answer is responsive to your abatement
[37:20.960 --> 37:30.960]  Okay If you file an abatement, if they file an answer that doesn't address the abatement, it's not an answer
[37:30.960 --> 37:40.960]  Right A common ploy for attorneys, when they can't answer your question, they'll come up with a different question to answer
[37:40.960 --> 37:48.960]  And if you get suckered into arguing with their second question, then they get to bypass your original question
[37:48.960 --> 37:55.960]  So watch that really close So if that happened, I would just have to send them something that says
[37:55.960 --> 38:00.960]  You know, you didn't answer my question, answer my question before we can move on
[38:00.960 --> 38:09.960]  Yes, and pay close attention, no matter how provocative, no matter how accusatory their answer is
[38:09.960 --> 38:17.960]  And no matter how much you want to let them know how the cow ate the cabbage
[38:17.960 --> 38:27.960]  Don't get suckered into responding to an issue that does not go to abatement Right
[38:27.960 --> 38:37.960]  If anything they do doesn't go to abatement, no matter how much you want to answer it, no matter how good your answer is
[38:37.960 --> 38:47.960]  If you respond, then you waive abatement So they're going to try to get you to do this little dance with them
[38:47.960 --> 38:53.960]  So you just want to sit back and wait for anything else to come, right? Yes, when you read their answer
[38:53.960 --> 39:00.960]  Remember, you're like a little spider on a piece of web and they're hanging, they got a hold of the other end
[39:00.960 --> 39:05.960]  And they're just looking for an opportunity to jerk on it and get you to dance for them Right
[39:05.960 --> 39:14.960]  If in their answer it doesn't go directly to the issue that you presented to them
[39:14.960 --> 39:24.960]  Do not respond to it, object claiming that their response, that their answer is non-responsive
[39:24.960 --> 39:31.960]  And I could tell you from experience, this is so hard
[39:31.960 --> 39:42.960]  I've been talking to people about mental discipline You really want to ream them out good, but don't
[39:42.960 --> 39:54.960]  Because if they're a smart attorney, they will answer your abatement with an issue that you can ream them good with
[39:54.960 --> 40:01.960]  And when you do, you waive your abatement So be very careful here
[40:01.960 --> 40:08.960]  Alright, I have one more question I'm a disabled fellow and I can't travel
[40:08.960 --> 40:16.960]  Now they're saying that this venue is in California Now because of that, is there a way for me to get them to bring it here?
[40:16.960 --> 40:32.960]  Nuns Pro Tonk Look up Nuns Pro Tonk N-U-S-C-P-R-O-T-R-U-N-C Any inappropriate or inconvenient venue
[40:32.960 --> 40:38.960]  You can object Nuns Pro Tonk And okay, okay, okay, questions
[40:38.960 --> 40:47.960]  Wouldn't it go to the fact that if this alleged violation of their copyright took place, it took place here, not there in California
[40:47.960 --> 40:55.960]  Okay, that's what I was about to go to, is diversity jurisdiction Did you go to California and do something?
[40:55.960 --> 41:02.960]  Oh no, no Then California has no subject matter jurisdiction, period
[41:02.960 --> 41:10.960]  This is diversity jurisdiction Is the matter in controversy in excess of $70,000?
[41:10.960 --> 41:15.960]  I have no idea They didn't put any monetary value on the thing at all
[41:15.960 --> 41:27.960]  Okay, then they have no claim If they did not and did not, okay, what did they claim?
[41:27.960 --> 41:34.960]  They claimed that I copied certain disks and then sold them Okay, so what?
[41:34.960 --> 41:43.960]  What did they ask for as, did they file a suit or did they send you a tort letter?
[41:43.960 --> 41:56.960]  No, it's got a case number and everything Did they ask for, did they ask you to make them whole, did they ask for recovery?
[41:56.960 --> 42:05.960]  They said that they want to recover damages for whatever, but they didn't put any amount of
[42:05.960 --> 42:11.960]  Then it's a non-suit So what do I do, stamp it deficient and send it back?
[42:11.960 --> 42:17.960]  Okay, I have to think about that Is this Microsoft by any chance?
[42:17.960 --> 42:25.960]  No, it's Donald Duck Okay, in order to adjudicate a case
[42:25.960 --> 42:31.960]  You have to ask for damages Yeah, what are they asking for?
[42:31.960 --> 42:38.960]  They want any profits that I might have made from it
[42:38.960 --> 42:45.960]  What if you haven't made any? Well, that's just it, I really didn't, you know
[42:45.960 --> 42:53.960]  That's not even one of the DVD sets that I sell Somebody called and requested it and I didn't have it
[42:53.960 --> 42:59.960]  So I got it from a friend of mine and I gave it to them, you know, I didn't even charge them any money for it
[42:59.960 --> 43:06.960]  I think you can do that Ah, okay, countersuit
[43:06.960 --> 43:16.960]  And first thing you need to do, did they sue in California? Yeah, California District Court
[43:16.960 --> 43:27.960]  Okay, file for sanctions because the learning council has to know that since you're not in California
[43:27.960 --> 43:33.960]  You've never been in California California cannot have subject matter jurisdiction
[43:33.960 --> 43:43.960]  So probably I would think the first thing to do is file a challenge to the jurisdiction
[43:43.960 --> 43:48.960]  Do they file the suit in federal court or state court or what?
[43:48.960 --> 43:58.960]  Let me see, I think it's a good question It just says US District Court
[43:58.960 --> 44:03.960]  Okay, they file it in the federal court, you need to file a non-sprotonk first
[44:03.960 --> 44:12.960]  Non-sprotonk, inconvenient venue, you have the right to be tried in the county in which you live
[44:12.960 --> 44:21.960]  And first thing to do is petition to move to the county in which you live
[44:21.960 --> 44:35.960]  That will probably stop them because they will have to hire an attorney in the county you live in or in the federal district in which you live
[44:35.960 --> 44:50.960]  Look up non-sprotonk and But I would do that after I find out what happens from the abatement, is that correct?
[44:50.960 --> 44:58.960]  I would do that anyway Wait a minute, I thought you said that he needs to wait until after this abatement thing has been resolved
[44:58.960 --> 45:09.960]  Once he's filed the abatement, you can adjudicate the rest of your case So since the abatement has been filed, now you can go ahead and file the non-sprotonk
[45:09.960 --> 45:18.960]  And it's like you've got this scale, you know, you see Lady Justice with the blindfold on and she's holding the scale
[45:18.960 --> 45:30.960]  When you filed the abatement, you put a pebble on your side of the scale Once you filed the abatement, you preserved that issue It's no longer waived
[45:30.960 --> 45:37.960]  None of this other stuff will affect that No, it will not affect it You can go ahead and adjudicate the rest of the case
[45:37.960 --> 45:44.960]  Just in case the abatement is denied, you won't have waived the rest of your defenses
[45:44.960 --> 45:50.960]  So now make you up another weight and drop it on your side of the scale
[45:50.960 --> 46:03.960]  And you think that if they want to change the venue to come to my locality, that they're probably just going to forget about this because it's going to cost them too much money, right?
[46:03.960 --> 46:06.960]  Right, it's all about money Right
[46:06.960 --> 46:15.960]  And should I let them know that, you know, they must have this idea that I'm selling thousands of these things, you know what I mean?
[46:15.960 --> 46:20.960]  Should I let them know that we're only talking about one item?
[46:20.960 --> 46:36.960]  Yes. Generally, I don't like to give the other side anything to work with. I like to bushwhack them. Right. But in this case, you're not in a criminal case where you're trying to beat up the other side
[46:36.960 --> 46:59.960]  You want this to go away. So you could estimate the value of the one copy that's in question and let them know that this is the maximum amount for which they could possibly sue
[46:59.960 --> 47:09.960]  And, you know, that may be sufficient to make them go away because most of these guys are reasonable individuals
[47:09.960 --> 47:21.960]  Right. And by that time, I'll have my UC1 all done and have a nice hefty lean on my own stuff. Would that affect it at all?
[47:21.960 --> 47:25.960]  Wait, I missed part of that
[47:25.960 --> 47:32.960]  I said, within a few days, I will have my UCC1 filed, making me a secured party
[47:32.960 --> 47:45.960]  Yes, as long as you can get your UCC before they can get their lien and that should be simple because it would take them forever to get a lien and they're going to get a lien for the price of a CD
[47:45.960 --> 47:46.960]  Right
[47:46.960 --> 47:57.960]  You need to file a motion. You might want to file a motion with the court for sanctions for frivolous pleading
[47:57.960 --> 48:06.960]  No, no, no. Price of the CD. No, they're thinking that he's selling this intellectual property and making money off of it
[48:06.960 --> 48:20.960]  That's what I'm saying is that he can demonstrate that at most they're alleging that he copied and sold this product and he copied one product
[48:20.960 --> 48:24.960]  So the most they can claim is the one product, the price of a CD
[48:24.960 --> 48:31.960]  Actually, what he said was he didn't copy it. He got it from a friend and he gave them what he got from the friend. Isn't that correct?
[48:31.960 --> 48:32.960]  Yeah, that's right
[48:32.960 --> 48:36.960]  And let me tell you, you can make quite a lot of money off of one CD
[48:36.960 --> 48:52.960]  Not one copy. He should copy it a thousand times maybe, but not one copy. And if you gave it away, then there's no profit
[48:52.960 --> 49:07.960]  Okay. The thing is here is not a matter of how can we effectively adjudicate this case. This goes to convincing the other side that they're wasting their time
[49:07.960 --> 49:09.960]  Right. I just want it to go away
[49:09.960 --> 49:24.960]  Yeah, and make it go away. Send them a letter stating that you gave this to someone else. You did not receive any remuneration for it
[49:24.960 --> 49:34.960]  And if they have a concern and want you to pay for a single CD, you will gladly pay for the single CD
[49:34.960 --> 49:48.960]  So should I say in that thing that we're only talking about one set of one program and the value of it would only come up to about a hundred bucks if that
[49:48.960 --> 50:06.960]  Yeah, and if they intend to adjudicate the case that you will first remove it to the county, to the jurisdiction where you live, that's the first thing in a nuns pro tonk
[50:06.960 --> 50:24.960]  You send this in a nuns pro tonk and within the nuns pro tonk, you indicate that the suit is frivolous as it only involves a single CD and a single copy
[50:24.960 --> 50:40.960]  Which was not sold but given away and I think you can do that anyway. You might want to research your right to make a copy of something and give it to someone else
[50:40.960 --> 50:41.960]  Right
[50:41.960 --> 50:42.960]  I think you can
[50:42.960 --> 50:44.960]  Cannot do that
[50:44.960 --> 50:46.960]  Yeah, they still frown on that
[50:46.960 --> 50:47.960]  Can't do that
[50:47.960 --> 50:48.960]  Wait a minute
[50:48.960 --> 50:52.960]  Intellectual property can't do that, especially if it's music, can't do that
[50:52.960 --> 50:56.960]  Okay, what is the penalty?
[50:56.960 --> 51:01.960]  It depends on what the license agreement is. This goes to master use license
[51:01.960 --> 51:02.960]  Okay, if you don't have
[51:02.960 --> 51:05.960]  It's private contracts
[51:05.960 --> 51:27.960]  Well, you know what, Brandy, in this thing, in the claim, they're saying words like we were told that this was done or we received information that this happened
[51:27.960 --> 51:37.960]  Okay, Brandy, you need to send in discovery. That's probably the first thing. You need a nuns pro tonk
[51:37.960 --> 51:38.960]  Yeah
[51:38.960 --> 51:44.960]  And removal to the district where you live and discovery
[51:44.960 --> 51:48.960]  Discovery looking for the evidence that they have?
[51:48.960 --> 52:02.960]  Yes. They claim that they have evidence that you copied this and sold it or whatever. You demand the evidence. This is a civil litigation. They have to give you everything
[52:02.960 --> 52:24.960]  And here's the other thing. They said the box, because I made a nice cover for the guy, sent it out to him, and they're saying that it's an obvious copy because nothing is like their product is, including the file structure on the DVDs
[52:24.960 --> 52:44.960]  So what they're trying to say is that I copy their material, but I obviously didn't copy their material because that would mean that whatever they had would have to be an exact duplicate of what they have, and it's not that way
[52:44.960 --> 52:50.960]  Then first thing is discovery. This is all about money
[52:50.960 --> 52:51.960]  Right
[52:51.960 --> 52:57.960]  Make it cost them more than they could ever imagine being able to collect from you
[52:57.960 --> 53:01.960]  Right
[53:01.960 --> 53:11.960]  Actually, this is more Deborah's area than me. She's the musician and the sound engineer. Deborah?
[53:11.960 --> 53:31.960]  That's what I've been trying to say. Steve Skidmore just sent me a link to the Fair Use Act, but most of the time you're not allowed to make copies. Like I said, it depends on the license agreement coming from the point of view of music recordings
[53:31.960 --> 53:45.960]  You can't make copies even for yourself. You can't make copies to give away to other people. That's why people like us are poverty stricken because people file share our music
[53:45.960 --> 54:01.960]  And so now it's gotten to the point where as a band, as a performing artist, as a recording artist, you just about can't make any headway in the industry unless you actually agree to give away your music. And so it's kind of a paradox, kind of a conundrum
[54:01.960 --> 54:18.960]  You have to give away MP3s of your music if you want anyone to actually buy it. But yeah, this goes to intellectual property and what's called a master use license agreement. And you have a recording, you own the intellectual property, you have the right to make whatever terms you want
[54:18.960 --> 54:36.960]  Regarding your license. Because see, when you buy a CD, you never actually buy the music. You don't buy the person's intellectual property or the entity or the people who wrote it. You never buy my music. You buy a license to use my music and the license has very specific terms
[54:36.960 --> 54:54.960]  You're allowed to play it for yourself. You're allowed to play it for your friends in certain settings. You're not allowed to broadcast it without paying royalties. You're not allowed to make copies and distribute whether it's for profit or not. You can't give it away because it's my property.
[54:54.960 --> 55:12.960]  You're purchasing a license to use my property in a certain way. And same thing goes for software. When you buy software, you're never buying the software. You're buying a license to use the software in a certain manner. So that's mainly the deal there.
[55:12.960 --> 55:39.960]  What is the potential liability for a single use, single music, inappropriate use? It's whatever you say it is in the license that you write out as far as the master license use for your intellectual property. That's why I was saying earlier, you have to look at the contract. You have to look at the master use license agreement for that intellectual property.
[55:39.960 --> 55:44.960]  This goes to private contract agreement.
[55:44.960 --> 55:45.960]  Okay, Paul.
[55:45.960 --> 55:47.960]  Yeah.
[55:47.960 --> 55:54.960]  Is there some indication of what their claim is?
[55:54.960 --> 56:12.960]  An amount-wise. They don't have a monetary value at all in that. Then you need to file a motion to dismiss as the petitioner made no claim for which recovery can be had.
[56:12.960 --> 56:14.960]  Right.
[56:14.960 --> 56:25.960]  And then let them respond to that. First, I would do an unsproutonk to move it to a jurisdiction convenient to you.
[56:25.960 --> 56:26.960]  Right.
[56:26.960 --> 56:39.960]  And then a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which recovery can be had. In order to receive recovery, you have to state an amount.
[56:39.960 --> 56:44.960]  They may be on the fishing expedition trying to find out how much money he made.
[56:44.960 --> 56:45.960]  Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
[56:45.960 --> 56:46.960]  That's possible.
[56:46.960 --> 57:02.960]  That's exactly what it sounds like. But as far as what the potential penalty is, you have to look at the master use license agreement for that particular intellectual property.
[57:02.960 --> 57:15.960]  And it goes to contract law. And the thing is, by using their intellectual property in any means whatsoever, you have already agreed to the terms of the master use license agreement.
[57:15.960 --> 57:17.960]  Yeah, but I didn't sign that contract.
[57:17.960 --> 57:26.960]  Doesn't matter. If you take possession of any copy of it, you have agreed to the master use license agreement.
[57:26.960 --> 57:29.960]  Wait a minute. The contract has to be explicit.
[57:29.960 --> 57:32.960]  That's what I'm saying. He's going to have to find out what it says.
[57:32.960 --> 57:37.960]  When you took possession of the CD, was a contract attached?
[57:37.960 --> 57:44.960]  Okay, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. It doesn't matter if there was a contract attached or not.
[57:44.960 --> 57:56.960]  And if the owners of the intellectual property have not defined a master use license agreement, then they reserve all rights and they can make whatever terms they want at any point in time.
[57:56.960 --> 57:59.960]  Yes, they can. And they can sue for whatever they want.
[57:59.960 --> 58:02.960]  It's called an end user license agreement.
[58:02.960 --> 58:04.960]  Yes, and they can sue for whatever they want.
[58:04.960 --> 58:06.960]  It has to be a license agreement.
[58:06.960 --> 58:12.960]  No, that's not true. If it's their property, it's their property period. Believe me, I know because I've been in this business for a long time.
[58:12.960 --> 58:22.960]  The problem is that it's very difficult to adjudicate. And so that's why it's in the best interest of the recording artist to have a master use license agreement.
[58:22.960 --> 58:29.960]  All right. Okay, we're going to we're going we're going to break and we have a whole bunch of callers on the line.
[58:29.960 --> 58:34.960]  So let's try to wrap this up on the other side because we really, really do have a lot of callers.
[58:34.960 --> 58:53.960]  Yes, we need to move along. Okay, we'll be right back.
[59:04.960 --> 59:20.960]  We'll be right back.
[59:20.960 --> 59:48.960]  So
[59:48.960 --> 01:00:08.960]  you are listening to the rule of law radio network and rule of law radio dot com live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:45.960]  Okay, here we go.
[01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:52.960]  We are back. All right. We are the rule of law rule of law radio.
[01:00:52.960 --> 01:01:02.960]  And and yeah, this is this is part of the deal with the recording industry films, everything you get an end user license agreement.
[01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.960]  There's also can be called a master use license agreement.
[01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:11.960]  A lot of times like recording artists films want to use their music so they get a master use license agreement.
[01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:21.960]  And if you come into possession of a copy or whatever in any way, shape or form, you have agreed to that contract, whether you've seen it or not.
[01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.960]  That's that's just the way it is. It's been well adjudicated.
[01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:35.960]  And if there is no end user license agreement or master use license agreement on the part of the recording artists, which if there's not, they are pretty brain dead and don't know what they're doing these days.
[01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:44.960]  Then the owner of the S.R. copyright, the owner of the master, whoever recorded it owns it is the bottom line.
[01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:51.960]  All right. Then the owner of the recording reserves all rights and can make whatever terms they want at any point in time.
[01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:59.960]  And that can be settled through lawsuit and it can be difficult to adjudicate and it's a quagmire, et cetera, et cetera.
[01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:10.960]  And that's why end user license agreements have come into play to make things flow a little bit more easier when these sorts of things more easily, excuse me, when these sorts of things happen.
[01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:14.960]  OK, we're going to move on now. We've got a whole bunch of callers.
[01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:23.960]  OK, next on the list, we are going to Kim from Arkansas, a first time caller.
[01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.960]  Kim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:31.960]  First, thank you for taking my call and appreciate what you're doing. It's much appreciated.
[01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:41.960]  I have a quick question. I heard Jose on the air last night and I'm trying to help him research Trevizont and we can't find anything on it.
[01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:48.960]  Trevizont, T-R-E-V-E-Z-A-N-T, I believe.
[01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:50.960]  Will you spell it again, please?
[01:02:50.960 --> 01:03:03.960]  T-R-E-V-E-Z-A-N-T. I will see if I can locate it on Lexus. Let me think. It should be in my research file.
[01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:11.960]  I have to refocus my brain in order to find it. When you get old like me, it's hard to multitask.
[01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:26.960]  I know I have Trevizont someplace, but it's Trevizont v. Florida v. Trevizont.
[01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:30.960]  T-R-E-V-E-Z-E-N-T?
[01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:32.960]  I think it's Z-A-N-T.
[01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:34.960]  Z-A-N-T?
[01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:36.960]  No, Z is in zoo.
[01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:42.960]  Okay. That's all I need.
[01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.960]  All right. Thank you. I did forget to make an announcement before I go to the next call.
[01:03:46.960 --> 01:04:02.960]  In case callers and listeners haven't noticed, we skip a lot of breaks on this show because we have very few sponsors that are very understanding about this sort of thing.
[01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:11.960]  But for the most part, I would say pretty much about 90% right now, we're funding this entire operation out of our own pockets.
[01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:15.960]  It's very expensive, and we put a lot of time and effort into this.
[01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.960]  Randy, Eddie, myself, the other hosts on the air, we get a lot of calls.
[01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:25.960]  We stay up till 3 o'clock in the morning on Friday nights most of the time to finish taking everyone's calls.
[01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:30.960]  I'm up very late every night myself, dealing with the archives and everything.
[01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.960]  And we get over 50 calls a week just on this one show.
[01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:40.960]  We're up to caller number 37 right now just on this show tonight.
[01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:48.960]  And callers, listeners, I ask you if we're giving you information that you find useful and instructive.
[01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:55.960]  Just for example, I had a listener give me $10 the other day and almost feel guilty that they couldn't give me more.
[01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:05.960]  Every little bit helps. And I'll tell you this, with over 50 callers a week, if each person that calls, every time they call, if they sent me $10,
[01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:11.960]  that's over 500 bucks a week just for this one show, not counting the other shows where people call into.
[01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:18.960]  You guys have no idea what that would do to help us because we are really struggling right now.
[01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.960]  So that's all I'm going to say about that.
[01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:27.960]  I'd like to make a comment. I am trained as an electrical engineer.
[01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:34.960]  And when WTPRN went down, we were off the air for a month or so.
[01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:44.960]  And then we had an opportunity to bring it back up. And Deborah started putting together the network.
[01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:55.960]  Now, I'm a pretty sharp guy, but I watched what Deborah did. And frankly, I was intimidated.
[01:05:55.960 --> 01:06:07.960]  What she did in putting this network together is so far beyond me that there is no way I could have got this done.
[01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:11.960]  What she did was absolutely incredible.
[01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:19.960]  WTPRN was the top of the line. What Wes did in putting that thing together was incredible.
[01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:26.960]  But Deborah has went far beyond what he did. The student has surpassed the master.
[01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:34.960]  She has put together an incredible network. And the amount of time and effort she's put into it,
[01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:39.960]  you folks would just have to see what she did to believe it.
[01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.960]  I watched her do it, and I almost couldn't believe it.
[01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:53.960]  She has put together an incredible resource, but she has almost bankrupted herself in getting this done.
[01:06:53.960 --> 01:07:01.960]  We hate to ask for money on the line. It makes us both crazy to have to ask for help.
[01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:09.960]  But we are both walking a tightrope, just trying to keep things together.
[01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.960]  If there's anything you can do to help us, we would greatly appreciate it.
[01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:18.960]  And it would allow us to expand the network and bring on more hosts,
[01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:24.960]  which we have a number of hosts waiting for opportunity to come on the air and provide more good information.
[01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:32.960]  But we just simply cannot do it. We're at a point where Deborah just can't produce any more shows,
[01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:38.960]  work her job, and keep everything together at the same time.
[01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:45.960]  In order to put any more shows on, we have to hire producers to produce the shows we put on.
[01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.960]  And we just can't do it unless we get more income.
[01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:52.960]  That's enough of our shameless promotion.
[01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.960]  Thank you, Randy. I really appreciate that.
[01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.960]  And we do want to put on more shows. There are other really good hosts that want to come on
[01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:05.960]  that have some really, really good, excellent information to put out there.
[01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.960]  But we do have to pay a staff in order to do it.
[01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.960]  I can't just have volunteers working for me all over the place.
[01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:19.960]  And I can't train 25 people, one for each show, because it's an unreasonable amount of management for me.
[01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:26.960]  I need to have a stable staff. So yeah, I just can't produce any more shows.
[01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:28.960]  I'm at my limit. But at any rate...
[01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.960]  If you can't donate, if you can find people with products...
[01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:34.960]  We need sponsors.
[01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:41.960]  Yes, sponsors with products that are of interest to this particular market.
[01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:52.960]  The legal reform market tends to be those people who are aware, who understand what's going on.
[01:08:52.960 --> 01:09:03.960]  They're all interested in nutrition and alternative health and alternative legal processes,
[01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:07.960]  in alternative energy, those kind of things.
[01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:13.960]  If you have anyone with those sorts of products, if you could refer them to us, it would be of great benefit.
[01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.960]  Yes, and I have the mailing address now.
[01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:21.960]  So people who want to mail something instead of using PayPal...
[01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:26.960]  I actually would prefer in the mail at this point, so I don't have to pay the PayPal fees.
[01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:32.960]  It's 1516 South Lamar, number 112, Austin, Texas, 78704.
[01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:35.960]  And that mailing address is also on the website.
[01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.960]  Okay, let's move on to the calls so that we can continue the show.
[01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:44.960]  Okay, we are going to go now to Justin in Nebraska.
[01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.960]  All right, Justin, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:49.960]  Hello?
[01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.960]  Yes, go ahead, Justin. What's on your mind?
[01:09:52.960 --> 01:10:00.960]  Yeah, well, first of all, I got arrested for manufacturing marijuana, and I'm...
[01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:01.960]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.960]  Manufacturing?
[01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:08.960]  Yeah, how do you manufacture marijuana? Are you God?
[01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.960]  All right, let him continue. Go ahead, Justin.
[01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:19.960]  Well, I'm completely ignorant to all of this stuff, and it's pretty overwhelming to me, although I am fairly smart.
[01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:28.960]  And I just don't...I went on Yahoo group redemption by...redemption by something.
[01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:37.960]  And I just don't know what...where can I find steps or like RPOA for dummies?
[01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:46.960]  Before you do the RPOA, first off, get yourself familiar with the criminal procedure code in your state.
[01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:48.960]  Randy, why don't you give them some starter tips?
[01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:49.960]  What state are you from?
[01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:50.960]  Nebraska.
[01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:51.960]  Nebraska.
[01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:53.960]  Nebraska.
[01:10:53.960 --> 01:11:01.960]  That's pretty flat. Have you read your criminal procedure code?
[01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:05.960]  No, I haven't. I haven't read anything.
[01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:11.960]  Read it. Okay, you're going to pick up the criminal procedure code.
[01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:19.960]  Generally, the penal code, code of criminal procedure, rules of civil procedure, transportation code are all in one book.
[01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:25.960]  And it's a big, thick book. And you look at it and it looks very daunting.
[01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:36.960]  But it's not. Because unlike a novel or, you know, an ordinary book, code is written in outline form.
[01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:44.960]  So regardless how thick the book is, 50% of it's white space.
[01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:49.960]  So if you cut it in half, that's really how big it is.
[01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:57.960]  And then when you read it, the 80% of it doesn't apply to you.
[01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:05.960]  So there's really not that much there. And here's a little interesting piece of information.
[01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:12.960]  Attorneys go to law school and they learn general principles of law.
[01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:26.960]  An attorney can get out of law school, graduate cum laude, top of his class, and have no idea how to file a motion.
[01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:36.960]  Have no idea how to practice law. They know about law, but they don't know how to do law.
[01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:46.960]  They don't teach that in law school because every jurisdiction, every court system has different procedures.
[01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:55.960]  So when the attorney gets out of law school, then he goes and gets a job with a law firm and they teach him how to file motions,
[01:12:55.960 --> 01:13:05.960]  how to get motions put on for hearing, how to deal with the judge, how to make deals, all these things that go into the practice of law.
[01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.960]  So for the most part, attorneys don't know squat.
[01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:19.960]  If you get out code of criminal procedure, rules of civil procedure, rules of appellate procedure, and read through them twice,
[01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:26.960]  I mean, think about it. How long do you think it would take you to read three books an inch thick
[01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:34.960]  compared to how much time you would spend in jail if you don't do that?
[01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:45.960]  I mean, this is not rocket science. And what I suggest is that you get your criminal procedure code for Nebraska.
[01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:56.960]  Get the penal code for Nebraska. Look at what you're charged with. Look it up. Read it.
[01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:06.960]  Read what the charge is and what all of the elements are relative to that charge. Start there.
[01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:18.960]  Then go to the code of criminal procedure. How is a case adjudicated in the criminal courts in Nebraska?
[01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:27.960]  Now, that's all you care about. You don't care about family law. You don't care about property law. You don't care about juvenile.
[01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:35.960]  When you get the code, it's real thick. But 80% of it you don't care about. It has nothing to do with you.
[01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:44.960]  You read the part that has to do with you. But when you read it, it won't make sense and don't expect it to make sense.
[01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:55.960]  Just read it. And when you get to the end, go back and read it again and you will be amazed at what happens.
[01:14:55.960 --> 01:15:04.960]  You'll read something in the front and you'll say, wait a minute, now I know what that refers to
[01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:11.960]  because way back here in the back in this chapter, it referred to this and that's why this up here in the front is this way.
[01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:20.960]  When you read a novel or a book, you expect a linear progression. You start at the beginning, you move to the end.
[01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:29.960]  Law is not that way. Law is in chapters. And you have a chapter on assault. You have a chapter on kidnapping.
[01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:38.960]  You have a chapter on conspiracy. And it doesn't matter where they occur in the text. They're not in linear order.
[01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:47.960]  So if you try to read the code front to back, it's going to be hard to make sense of it because you expect from your experience
[01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.960]  for everything to fall one thing after another and the code doesn't do that.
[01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:57.960]  Now, Randy, should he mainly be looking for section in the code that applies to him and what they're charging him with?
[01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:02.960]  Like look up in the code what exactly they're charging him with and see if it even applies?
[01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:11.960]  No, no. Give him some steps to take here, some specific steps.
[01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:16.960]  Yeah, just read through it because you're not always sure what's going to apply.
[01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:20.960]  Okay, but then what? After he reads through it, then what?
[01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:26.960]  Then go back and read it again. And this time, keep in your mind what you're charged with.
[01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:33.960]  And if you're going through something that don't have anything to do with what you're charged with, just scoot on over it and go to the next one.
[01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:40.960]  But first time, read all of it because you don't always know what is going to apply to what you're dealing with.
[01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:46.960]  Okay, so then what? I mean, what is the time frame here? What kind of timetable are we looking at, Justin?
[01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:52.960]  Good question. I went to Pennsylvania and never been to Pennsylvania before.
[01:16:52.960 --> 01:17:00.960]  First thing I did was got a copy of the Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure for Pennsylvania.
[01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:09.960]  And I'm one of those people that when I read, I tend to hear the words in my mind.
[01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:17.960]  And that's a problem because it slows down my reading speed incredibly. I'm not a speed reader.
[01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:24.960]  It took me two hours to read them both. Okay, so Justin, what kind of time frame are we looking at here?
[01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:31.960]  Well, I have my trial. I got a new public defender, my old one left. I have a trial in two months.
[01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:36.960]  Okay, you got plenty of time. Is it a trial or is it some other kind of hearing?
[01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:43.960]  It is my trial. I plead not guilty. Okay. Have you had a pre-trial, have you had a motion hearing?
[01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:49.960]  Yeah, I did do an original motion press based on it being an illegal search.
[01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:56.960]  Okay, okay. You got two months. Tomorrow, get Code of Criminal Procedure Penal Code. Read them through.
[01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:02.960]  Don't try to understand it. Just read it. Just cruise right through it. Don't skip over anything.
[01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:09.960]  Just cruise right through it. Then go back to the front and go through it again.
[01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:17.960]  This time, you've already cruised through them one time, so you generally know which ones don't apply.
[01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:24.960]  This time, read them more. Should he also get jurisdictionary? Absolutely.
[01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:33.960]  Certainly couldn't hurt. You bet. The cheapest investment you could get a couple hundred bucks of jurisdictionary.
[01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:42.960]  Jurisdictionary will give you the legal education that attorneys don't get in law school.
[01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:49.960]  It'll tell you what motions are, what motions you can file, how to file the motions, when to file the motions.
[01:18:49.960 --> 01:19:01.960]  It will go through objections. What objections are, how to raise objections, when to raise objections, what objections you can raise.
[01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:16.960]  This is like law school 101, the basic stuff that every attorney has to know in the mechanics of adjudicating a case.
[01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:27.960]  I had a guy in Michigan call me and tell me about his son got arrested, three kids in a car, marijuana in the console, kid not the driver.
[01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:34.960]  And I said, well, he's telling me what he did. I said, well, you really need to file a writ of mandamus. He said, I did that.
[01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:40.960]  And there's something else. You really need to file something else. I did that. I said, wait a minute.
[01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:45.960]  Have you got jurisdictionary? He said, oh, yeah, I got jurisdictionary.
[01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:52.960]  This guy had jurisdictionary and everything I told him to do, he was already a step ahead of me.
[01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:58.960]  Jurisdictionary is absolutely next to reading the code, the best thing you can do.
[01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:06.960]  Can you read that free online? You can go to our website and order it.
[01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:22.960]  No, it has a set of 24 hours of tapes to listen to. But more than just adjudicating this case, we are in a police state.
[01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:41.960]  Going through jurisdictionary will give you a basic understanding of the tools of law and will have the effect of granting you more freedom in your life than anything else you can do.
[01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:47.960]  I look at police now and I don't fear them.
[01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:55.960]  I look at them and say, Bubba, you want to fight? I'll give you a fight you won't believe.
[01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:09.960]  So, Justin, I mean, you have some time here, but yeah, if I were you, get jurisdictionary in order from our website so that we can get a little bit of commission to help fund the program and read the penal code and code of criminal procedure.
[01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:17.960]  Well, I assure you, the Trump change we get from jurisdictionary is not the reason I recommend it.
[01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:19.960]  Yeah, because we don't get that much.
[01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:27.960]  Yeah, it's Trump change. It will give you, above all, a sense of empowerment.
[01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:34.960]  And I'm telling you, you know, I deal with these attorneys all the time and they're morons.
[01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:39.960]  These attorneys, all they do is make a deal.
[01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:44.960]  They don't have anybody come in and they're not having any clue as to what's going on.
[01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:52.960]  You have knowledge of what's going on and you're looking at two or three days.
[01:21:52.960 --> 01:22:00.960]  Two or three days of read the penal code, code of criminal procedure twice. You can do that in one day, easy.
[01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:06.960]  You can do that half a day, easy, and then go through jurisdictionary.
[01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:11.960]  I guarantee you, you will be bad news.
[01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:16.960]  There's hardly a criminal attorney out there who would want anything to do with you.
[01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.960]  There's certainly no municipal judge that will want anything to do with you,
[01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:26.960]  because you're going to know more about adjudication of cases than he does.
[01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:35.960]  It's frustrating. I spent 30 years trying to figure out what was wrong with the legal system, 30 years.
[01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:45.960]  And when I figured it out, I was like the kid in Toy Story and the Christmas care, Christmas story,
[01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:56.960]  where he wants a BB gun and he orders this decoder ring and he gets it.
[01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:04.960]  And he decodes the first message and it says, buy Ovaltine.
[01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:10.960]  And he said, son of a B, a commercial.
[01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:15.960]  You know, he was so frustrated that it was so simple.
[01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:22.960]  You read the code of criminal procedure and penal code and you will be annoyed that this is so simple.
[01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.960]  I spent 30 years figuring out what's wrong with the legal system.
[01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:31.960]  And when I figured it out, I was annoyed.
[01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:37.960]  This was so simple. It didn't take 30 years.
[01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:41.960]  All it took was reading the code of criminal procedure, penal code and jurisdictionary.
[01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:47.960]  OK, well, listen, we've got to go to break. OK, we'll be right back.
[01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:51.960]  If you have any other questions, Justin, hang on the line. Yeah, hang on. OK.
[01:23:51.960 --> 01:24:07.960]  We will be right back.
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[01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:49.960]  He has left me with the strength and wisdom to aid my concerns.
[01:25:49.960 --> 01:26:00.960]  I will occupy my father's house till I see his face.
[01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.960]  I will occupy my father's house.
[01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:11.960]  I will guard these walls and fences till he comes to take his place.
[01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:15.960]  I will occupy my father's house.
[01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.960]  Take a peek in the night, I'll show you further than that.
[01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:21.960]  Kiss all the parasites from around you.
[01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:24.960]  Teeth fly up and through the murderers.
[01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:26.960]  Kiss them up their noses because they cannot enter.
[01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:30.960]  You're in the house that cleans hands only.
[01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:32.960]  Only them could enter in that house you see.
[01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.960]  See if your soul surrender quickly.
[01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:37.960]  That's what we are doing now, we have the house you see.
[01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:41.960]  I will occupy my father's house.
[01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:47.960]  I will occupy my father's house.
[01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:48.960]  Okay, we are back.
[01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:54.960]  The rule of law in Kelton and Deborah Stevens and Eddie Craig, of course.
[01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:56.960]  Friday night info marathon.
[01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:58.960]  Callers, hang on the line.
[01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.960]  We're going to go into overtime, overdrive mode again this evening.
[01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:04.960]  We've got a lot of callers on the line.
[01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.960]  And as promised, we're going to take all your calls.
[01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:13.960]  And hopefully people will help us out a little bit as well for all the hard work we put in.
[01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:17.960]  Okay, Justin, I didn't mean to preach.
[01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:23.960]  It was just that you didn't know the questions to ask.
[01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:31.960]  And from my own experience, I know that it's relatively simple to come up to speed.
[01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:37.960]  You know, when your first time you tried to ride a bicycle, it seemed incredibly complex.
[01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:42.960]  But after a little while, it kind of became you started to put the pieces together.
[01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:51.960]  And reading the code and jurisdictionary will help you put the pieces together quicker than anything.
[01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:58.960]  It will bring you up to speed quickly and you will be amazed at the effect you can have.
[01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:06.960]  So I'm sorry if I sounded like I was preaching, but it's because I've done this for a while.
[01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:13.960]  I see people have so much difficulty and it frustrates me that I spent 30 years figuring it out.
[01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:16.960]  And once I figured it out, it's really so simple.
[01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:18.960]  Just read the code.
[01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:20.960]  Now, back to you.
[01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:27.960]  Do you have any more questions concerning your case so we can go more directly to what you're involved in?
[01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:28.960]  Yeah.
[01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:29.960]  Okay.
[01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:36.960]  After I read the criminal procedure code twice and the penal code twice and the code of criminal procedure twice
[01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:43.960]  and then the jurisdictionary, then I would file the RPOA.
[01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:47.960]  Not necessarily.
[01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:52.960]  Yeah. Don't go into it with a preconceived notion.
[01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:54.960]  Open your mind.
[01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:58.960]  Read it clean and listen to jurisdictionary clean.
[01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.960]  And once you've been through those two, then sit down and look at it.
[01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:09.960]  One thing I can assure you of, if you were arrested, they did everything wrong.
[01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:11.960]  They always do.
[01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:17.960]  When I look at people's cases, it's never a problem finding things they did wrong.
[01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:24.960]  The problem is, is figuring out which allegations to make or which issues to address.
[01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.960]  You're going to have more things wrong than you can keep up with.
[01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:37.960]  The best thing that we can tell you, like what we usually do, our strategy, is we don't look for ways to defend ourselves as far as the merits of the case.
[01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:39.960]  We never go to the merits of the case.
[01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:42.960]  We look for what they did wrong.
[01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:44.960]  How did they break the law?
[01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:48.960]  Okay, and that's why we have people read the penal code and the code of criminal procedure,
[01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:54.960]  because you want to see what they did wrong and you never defend yourself as far as the merits of the case.
[01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.960]  Yeah, very good point.
[01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:06.960]  If you can avoid it, the court cannot get to the merits until the court can show that the court has
[01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:14.960]  and all of the members of the prosecutorial team, from the policeman to the magistrate to the prosecutor,
[01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.960]  that everybody has followed all the laws in between.
[01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:23.960]  This is hard. You want to explain that you're innocent.
[01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:30.960]  Yeah, and that's why we're having you read the code of criminal procedure first and the penal code first,
[01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:34.960]  mainly because we want to look for what they did wrong.
[01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:40.960]  Yes, don't start trying to explain your innocence.
[01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:48.960]  That'll get you convicted quicker than anything, because when you speak to the facts of the case,
[01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:53.960]  the judge has discretion to determine what he believes and what he doesn't.
[01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:58.960]  When you speak to the law, the judge has no discretion.
[01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:02.960]  So the first thing you want to do is go to the law.
[01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:11.960]  Did everybody follow the law to the letter and every step up to the point of getting in front of the judge
[01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:18.960]  with the merits of the case? If you go to the merits, you lose almost every time.
[01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:24.960]  Okay, well, listen, we really need to move on because we have a whole bunch of callers and it's 1130 already.
[01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:31.960]  We're going to have to go into overtime mode as it is, but it's too early for us to really offer you any other advice at this time.
[01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:39.960]  Could you just tell me what kind of odds I have of avoiding the trial?
[01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:47.960]  Well, we can't give you any specific information without details of the case and without knowing Nebraska law.
[01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:52.960]  And frankly, we don't give any calls from Nebraska. So I don't have any...
[01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:58.960]  Once you study the code yourself and Jurisdictionary, you'll be able to answer that question on your own.
[01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.960]  And then bring the code back to us.
[01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:07.960]  And once you've read those two, now you know the right questions to ask us and then we'll be able to help you.
[01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:10.960]  All right. All right. I really appreciate it, guys. Thank you so much.
[01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:12.960]  All right. Thank you. Thank you.
[01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:18.960]  Okay, before we go to our next caller, I want to bring up just for a few moments our in-studio guest.
[01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:24.960]  This is Tom Kiley of Iron and World Report. He is in Austin this weekend.
[01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:30.960]  He just spoke at the Truth Seekers meeting. So before we go to our next call, I just want to bring Tom up for a few minutes.
[01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.960]  Thanks for coming in studio. Tom, how was the evening?
[01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:40.960]  Well, first of all, Deborah, it's always a pleasure to visit you and Randy and everybody else here in Austin.
[01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:44.960]  This is our second time in a couple of months here, and it's a pleasure to be here.
[01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:48.960]  Thank you for taking a little time out of your show. I'd like to say hi to everybody.
[01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:56.960]  And callers, I'm just going to be real brief. I see that there's a lot of you on the line with good reason because this is just a fantastic show.
[01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:01.960]  You're getting information here that you can't get just about anywhere else.
[01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:03.960]  And that's what the alternative media is all about.
[01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:09.960]  And I think Randy and Deborah both deserve a lot of support, a lot of love and a big hand for working so hard.
[01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:14.960]  Clearly, you're voting with your phones right now because I see a whole bunch of people.
[01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:25.960]  And just keep in mind that, you know, this needs to be supported, too. So, you know, Deborah, people need to reach out and support what you're doing so that you can take a little time and get a little life, too.
[01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:29.960]  So, folks, you know, there's ways I suppose to contribute.
[01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:37.960]  Anyhow, I was just at the truth seekers meeting. They invited me to come when they heard I was going to be in Austin this weekend.
[01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:51.960]  And it was a very, very fine meeting there. And we talked a lot of apparently some of the folks in the Truth Seekers Club here in Austin listened to Rule of Law and listened to your show and listened to my show.
[01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:59.960]  And they invited me to come talk about the media and truth seeking in general. And it was it was just a very gratifying evening.
[01:33:59.960 --> 01:34:08.960]  That's great, Tom. And, Tom, we had a little something planned, right, that we discussed yesterday, the day before.
[01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:28.960]  Tom and I just wanted to send out a very special thank you to our respective spouses, Tom's wife, Faith, and my husband, Jerry Stevens, because without the financial, emotional, moral support of our spouses, there's no way that Tom and I would be able to do what we're doing with our shows and the network.
[01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:33.960]  So we wanted to give out a very special thank you to Jerry and Faith.
[01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:40.960]  And I wanted to extend my special appreciation to Tom for bringing his wife, Faith.
[01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:43.960]  She is hot.
[01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.960]  Tom's not, but she is.
[01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:58.960]  Randy, if you're going to say somebody in my family's hot, you're allowed to say it's my wife, because if you say I'm hot, then we got some.
[01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:01.960]  Okay, you are almost as ugly as me.
[01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:04.960]  So did it go all right? It went well at the Truth Seekers meeting, Tom?
[01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:17.960]  Actually, I was going to talk for about an hour. It ended up being two hours plus, maybe. And, you know, everybody's got their issues, and I was really impressed with the name that this group has chosen for itself, the Truth Seekers.
[01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:26.960]  And I spoke to Seeking Truth, and that's something that we all have in common, no matter what our particular issues are or what we consider ourselves to be generally politically.
[01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:39.960]  And that's what I talked about. I talked about process of, you know, both externally, as we work on so hard with the social issues and justice issues and so forth, but also internally, too.
[01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:50.960]  How about seeking the truth in ourselves and making sure that we're approaching each other, we're approaching the outside world, we're approaching the issues that we're interested in from a truthful place in the first place?
[01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:59.960]  Exactly. And I just got a chat from Steve Skidmore. He wanted to thank you for the opportunity to film in for you on his show last night.
[01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:13.960]  Oh, I really appreciate that the guys filled in, and I hope you had a good time. And I'm going to listen to the archive. I've been traveling, but thank you very much. And we may tap you again. I got a little bit more traveling to do yet this summer. Thanks a lot, guys.
[01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:28.960]  Yes. And for those who are listening to the show last night on INN World Report, we did have some trouble with the streaming servers in another city, actually in Chicago is where the streaming servers are located, not in Austin.
[01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:38.960]  And there was some some trouble with the servers up there. However, the show continued on. Callers were still calling in. And that is all archived. The show is archived in its entirety.
[01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:48.960]  And so actually, I need to go back and listen to that because they were talking about some really good stuff. And I didn't get to hear everything because I was in the midst of helping other people get the servers back up.
[01:36:48.960 --> 01:37:02.960]  So at any rate, callers, listeners, check out that archive because they were talking about some really good stuff, commercial law and credit, the way the credit card and banking industry works and how to file 1099 A's regarding credit card debt and these sorts of things.
[01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:12.960]  So, OK, without any further delay, we're going to return back to the call board. We're still continuing to take some first time callers, but callers stay on the line. We're going to we're going to take all your calls.
[01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:18.960]  We're going to go to Paul in Virginia right now. Paul, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:40.960]  Hi, how are you doing? Very good. I want to I was on the call last night, not with you guys, but on the remedy is in the law. And I want to just pass something along. First of all, all the listeners, if they want to learn about objections in court, if they will go to www.objection.com.
[01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:56.960]  They can download a demo of a it's called the objection game. And it's it's a cartoon character with a judge. And it's an actual murder case. And they go through and questions are asked.
[01:37:56.960 --> 01:38:05.960]  And you've got a series of 12 different objections that you pick and you'll get points for it and it will tell you if you're making the right objections or not.
[01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:23.960]  And it's a real good game. There's another one there on expert witnesses. And it'll help you when you go into court and help you recognize when it's time to object and how important it is timely object in a court case.
[01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:35.960]  The other quick question I had on the previous call of the guy about the marijuana, he brought up an RPOA and I wanted to know what that was.
[01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:41.960]  Revocation of power of attorney. That's what our guest C was talking about last week.
[01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:53.960]  Okay. And then the main reason I called when you guys were having your little argument before about the 14th Amendment citizenship.
[01:38:53.960 --> 01:39:03.960]  I wanted to know if you guys were talking about constitutional citizens or statutory citizens because there is a big difference between the two of them.
[01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:13.960]  And they are both defined in different areas of the code. The statutory citizen is defined at 8 USC 1401.
[01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:28.960]  And a constitutional citizen is defined in the 14th Amendment in Section 1 and also in 8 USC 1101A 21 and 8 USC 1452.
[01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:42.960]  So, um, wait, wait, can you run through that again? 18 USC 1401 defines statutory citizen or resident at 8 USC 1401.
[01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:53.960]  It's also defined in 26 CFR Subsection 1.1-1. Okay, CFR 26 CFR.
[01:39:53.960 --> 01:40:06.960]  Okay, wait a minute. First, it's defined as US code under 8 USC 1401. Got that. 26 CFR.
[01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:13.960]  Subsection 1.1-1. 1.1 what?
[01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:25.960]  1.1-1. 1.1-1. Section C. Subsection C. Right. And also in 26 CFR.
[01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:40.960]  Subsection 31.3121-1 Section E. E? E. Small e. Small e. Okay.
[01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:48.960]  A constitutional citizen or resident is defined in the 14th Amendment in Section 1.
[01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:56.960]  And it's also defined in 8 USC Subsection 1101. Wait a minute. Constitutional Amendment Section 1?
[01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:02.960]  No, no, no. 14th Amendment Section 1. Oh, 14th. Okay.
[01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:17.960]  And then also in 8 USC 1101A21 and in 8 USC 1452.
[01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:26.960]  Okay. How are they defined and how are they different?
[01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:36.960]  I don't have them right in front of me. So you're going to have to go through and read those.
[01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:41.960]  Let me see if I can pull one of them up here. Okay.
[01:41:41.960 --> 01:41:46.960]  What significance does that have?
[01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:56.960]  Well, a statutory citizen, which is also a U.S. citizen, is not the same as a constitutional citizen.
[01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:02.960]  A constitutional citizen is a national but not a citizen.
[01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:10.960]  A U.S. citizen confers... Wait a minute. National. National generally is prefaced by foreign national.
[01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:18.960]  No, completely different things. Okay. A U.S. citizen is a citizen of the federal zone
[01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:25.960]  or territory that's been ceded by the federal government to the state.
[01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:31.960]  A national has domicile and allegiance to a state.
[01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:38.960]  And he's a U.S. citizen who's not residing in the federal zone.
[01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.960]  Correct. So he's a U.S. national.
[01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:50.960]  He's a U.S. national. A sovereign is not a statutory... Excuse me.
[01:42:50.960 --> 01:43:02.960]  A sovereign is a constitutional citizen. A sovereign is not a statutory citizen or a statutory resident.
[01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:15.960]  Hold on. Hold on. A sovereign is not a resident of the United States.
[01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:19.960]  So he would be a resident in one of the sovereign states?
[01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:31.960]  No, no. He's not a... I can't remember the court case, but U.S. or United States has three separate and distinct definitions.
[01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:45.960]  One has to do with the 50 states. One has to do with the federal territory or the federal zone.
[01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:47.960]  Okay. That would be a U.S. citizen.
[01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:49.960]  A U.S. citizen.
[01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:55.960]  And a national would be a U.S. citizen not living in the federal zone.
[01:43:55.960 --> 01:44:01.960]  So a sovereign. What is a sovereign?
[01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:05.960]  A sovereign is a constitutional citizen.
[01:44:05.960 --> 01:44:06.960]  Of what?
[01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:08.960]  But not a statutory citizen.
[01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:13.960]  A citizen of what? The United States or one of the sovereign states?
[01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:16.960]  One of the sovereign 50 union states.
[01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:21.960]  So it's like if I'm in Texas, I would be a sovereign citizen of Texas.
[01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:22.960]  Of Texas, correct.
[01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:23.960]  Okay.
[01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:30.960]  If you look at any document, like let's say you go into the bank and you open up a bank account.
[01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:36.960]  At the bottom it says, I declare under penalty of perjury that I am a U.S. citizen.
[01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:42.960]  You are not a U.S. citizen. And when you sign that paper stating that you are...
[01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:43.960]  Wait a minute.
[01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:44.960] ...you're a fiction.
[01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:49.960]  Okay. I am not a U.S. citizen. How am I not a U.S. citizen?
[01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:57.960]  A U.S. citizen in cap is the federal zone. It's not United States of America constitutional citizen.
[01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:06.960]  Okay. If I am a U.S. national, then I am a United States citizen.
[01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:11.960]  I'm just not living in the 10 square miles or one of the territories.
[01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:17.960]  No. You are a United States of America small letter citizen.
[01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:24.960]  A U.S. citizen in cap is a citizen of the federal zone.
[01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:29.960]  Okay. Where do we find statutory support for that? U.S. citizen.
[01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:31.960]  Okay.
[01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:34.960]  Wait. Where do we find support for that?
[01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.960]  For the... For which one?
[01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:38.960]  Pardon me?
[01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:40.960]  For the U.S. citizen?
[01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:43.960]  Yes. Citizen in caps.
[01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:51.960]  Let's see if I got it with me here.
[01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:58.960]  And it is my... It's one of my things is I can't just state that something is the case.
[01:45:58.960 --> 01:45:59.960]  I understand.
[01:45:59.960 --> 01:46:06.960]  Because I always assume I'm talking to a judge. And a judge can't listen to anything I say.
[01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:10.960]  He may only listen to what the higher courts say.
[01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.960]  Right.
[01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:19.960]  I'm a little... I apologize. I'm a little unprepared because I didn't... I don't have that with me.
[01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:20.960]  But...
[01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:21.960]  Okay.
[01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.960]  Let me just see if I can pull it up here real quick.
[01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:28.960]  Okay. We can do this in the next show.
[01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:39.960]  I would like to understand clearly the statutory or stare decis definition of the difference between a U.S. citizen caps.
[01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:46.960]  Yeah. Or if you want to hang on the line, Paul, maybe we could do it in the overtime mode so that we can try to get some of the callers in while we're still in the air with the affiliates.
[01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:54.960]  Yeah. And what's a U.S. citizen not caps and a national and a sovereign?
[01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:56.960]  If you can look that up, we'll come back to you.
[01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:00.960]  Okay. Yeah. Hang on the line, Paul. If you want to look that up, we'll go back to you when we get in the overtime mode.
[01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:01.960]  Okay.
[01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:03.960]  All right. We're going to move on now.
[01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:09.960]  I want to get in as many of the first-time callers as possible while we're still on the air with the affiliates.
[01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:12.960]  And some of our affiliates still carry us when we go into overtime mode.
[01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:14.960]  So I want to thank them for that.
[01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:16.960]  But let's move on and try to take as many as possible.
[01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:21.960]  We're going to go now to Mike in Maine.
[01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:23.960]  Mike, thanks for calling in.
[01:47:23.960 --> 01:47:25.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:34.960]  Just real quick, I just wanted to let you know that on your webpage, your link to your archives is not working.
[01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:37.960]  The link to the archives is not working?
[01:47:37.960 --> 01:47:52.960]  Yeah. It goes to the advertisement you have, Camp USA. It always goes to that. It doesn't go to the archives.
[01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.960]  Okay. All right. I'll fix it later.
[01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:59.960]  There's another way to get to the archives. We go radio archives.
[01:47:59.960 --> 01:48:06.960]  If you click on that link and you can click on rule of law radio archives, you can get to it from the navigation bar.
[01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:07.960]  Okay. I'll try that.
[01:48:07.960 --> 01:48:08.960]  Okay.
[01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:09.960]  Yep. Thanks.
[01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:11.960]  All right. I'll do the best I can.
[01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:12.960]  All right. Thanks.
[01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:13.960]  All right.
[01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:22.960]  Okay. We are going to go now to, and callers, please try to send us emails when there's things like that going on instead of taking up our airtime. We'd really appreciate it.
[01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:23.960]  Okay.
[01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:32.960]  Just a point. She does the best she can. She's only one woman. If we had three men in her place, it would be about even.
[01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:38.960]  Okay. We're going to go now to Mike in Florida. Mike, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:51.960]  Yeah. I was listening to you guys earlier. You were talking about a multi-law and then you fell into, you were talking about, you know, the United States being a corporation in the, like the state of Florida is actually a corporation.
[01:48:51.960 --> 01:49:00.960]  It's not Florida, which is, you know, the state in which, you know, the people make up and, you know, going into fictions and what have you.
[01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:09.960]  And Randy was talking about using case law to explain, you know, what the law actually means.
[01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:24.960]  And there was a dissertation out. It's titled, Do Courts Have Law-Making Powers? by John Baptist. And I can't even pronounce his last name. It's K-O-T-M-A-I-R.
[01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:35.960]  And on page 31 at the bottom of the page, he's talking, he's coming to the end of the dissertation. He says, some years ago I attended a lecture on the Constitution given by a circuit judge in Montgomery, Alabama.
[01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:42.960]  When he completed the lecture and opened the meeting to questions, I stood and asked him if the intent of the law was the force of the law.
[01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:52.960]  He evaded the question by saying that we had rather consider it to be the spirit of the law. I retorted with, come now judge, if the legislature passes a law to do something certain,
[01:49:52.960 --> 01:50:02.960]  isn't that certain purpose to be sought in its enforcement? He tried to evade the question again, but I was persistent. And finally he conceded that to be the fact.
[01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:09.960]  I then asked him, isn't it a fact that ignorance of the law is no excuse? He replied, everyone knows that.
[01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:18.960]  I then asked him, isn't it true that there's a doctrine of law that if a law is passed that the average man cannot understand it is void for vagueness?
[01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:32.960]  He replied, yes. Then I asked him, if the intent of the law is the force of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse, and laws are void for vagueness, what is the purpose of case law?
[01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:41.960]  He leaned down to the organizer of the lecture and whispered, get me out of here. The organizer was a friend of mine and the judge was set up to reveal these truths.
[01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:53.960]  And then it goes on to Black's dictionary and says, the words of the void for vagueness doctrine prove the fallacy of the principle that courts interpret the law.
[01:50:53.960 --> 01:51:10.960]  Black's dictionary, fifth edition, void for vagueness, a law which is so obscure in its conjugation that a reasonable person could not determine from a reading what the law reports to command or prohibit is void and a blight of due process.
[01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:14.960]  So I was just wondering if Randy or anybody had any comment on that?
[01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:26.960]  Yes, I do. The law written by the legislature is by its nature relatively general.
[01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:44.960]  It's unreasonable to expect the law to be able to address every possible permutation of circumstance. And if this judge had any sense at all, he would have been able to answer the question.
[01:51:44.960 --> 01:52:01.960]  The law is somewhat complex and it takes a certain amount of mental discipline to collect all of the different permutations of law into an orderly structure.
[01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:18.960]  And that's what the case law is for. There are always circumstances that aren't directly addressed in a statute that is deliberately general in its nature.
[01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:34.960]  For instance, murder. Well, you know, there's a lot of ways to kill people. Some of it is intentional, some of it's not intentional, but the result of recklessness.
[01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:53.960]  Some of it is intentional, but the result of the heat of passion. So we need a way to address the various permutations of law in a way that's consistent.
[01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:56.960]  That's what the case law is for.
[01:52:56.960 --> 01:53:12.960]  Well, what the problem is, is we're not dealing specifically in the case of statutes these days with permutations. I mean, we've gone through the traffic code enough together, Randy, to know that the intent of the traffic code is to confuse and is to hinder its understanding.
[01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:17.960]  It is to make it appear to apply to things to which it actually does not.
[01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:28.960]  Objection. That's an unstated presupposition.
[01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:33.960]  I have no evidence to indicate that it was the intent of the law.
[01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:54.960]  I do have reason to believe it is the intent of sharp practicing attorneys to interpret the law in that fashion. But I have no reason to believe it was the intent of the legislature to write the law so that it's ultimately not understandable.
[01:53:54.960 --> 01:54:05.960]  Because there's a certain guy on my show that went through the traffic code that clearly demonstrated that the code was extremely well written.
[01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:25.960]  Yes, it is. It is extremely well written. And it is the people that, as you put it, the sharp practicing attorneys that do the revisions that actually make it into the statutory language that we review that alter it in such a fashion as to give it a generic application it was not meant to have.
[01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:26.960]  Exactly.
[01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:50.960]  So I'll go with that. But as we've noticed, it's what we go by that the same attorneys and the same judges who are also attorneys, even though they're not practicing, but who stand to gain from maintaining that appearance of law rather than the facts of the law.
[01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:52.960]  That's one of the problems.
[01:54:52.960 --> 01:55:00.960]  That is the nature of the living animal to kill it and start over.
[01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:16.960]  To make things easier for the individuals involved. And that's why our founders wrote into the law checks and balances that I don't find a problem with the law.
[01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:21.960]  I find a problem with the exercising of the checks and balances.
[01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:23.960]  Time check bounced.
[01:55:23.960 --> 01:55:37.960]  Yeah, we allowed the check to bounce. So we don't get to whine too loud until we stood up and demanded that the law be enforced the way it was intended.
[01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:58.960]  The law is only in a mess because you and I and each and all of us have not done our jobs. It's inappropriate to blame the police officer for trying to enforce law when he believes that someone committed a crime.
[01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:03.960]  It is in the nature of the officer to try to get the person arrested.
[01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:07.960]  Now we're back to his argument. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
[01:56:07.960 --> 01:56:08.960]  Absolutely not.
[01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:13.960]  Scrooge goes to Scrooge versus U.S.
[01:56:13.960 --> 01:56:17.960]  391 U.S.
[01:56:17.960 --> 01:56:21.960]  I forget. I never can get those numbers together for some reason.
[01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:26.960]  But absolutely, especially a public official must know the law.
[01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:35.960]  But it is in the nature of the human animal to make their lives easier, to take shortcuts.
[01:56:35.960 --> 01:56:39.960]  That's why our founders wrote checks and balances into the law.
[01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:46.960]  And it's our duty, you and I and each and all of us to exercise those checks and balances.
[01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:47.960]  And we failed to do so.
[01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:56.960]  I thought they wrote the checks and balances in because they had been so oppressed with the corruption of the monarchy for centuries and centuries.
[01:56:56.960 --> 01:57:08.960]  Yes. And they wanted you and I, the citizens, to have the power to check the abuse of power by our public officials.
[01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:17.960]  They gave us that power. But in a prosperous economy, we tend to get lazy.
[01:57:17.960 --> 01:57:23.960]  And that's what happened after World War II. We got lazy. We didn't do our jobs.
[01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:28.960]  And we let the system deteriorate to the point of near chaos.
[01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:37.960]  And now we're in a period of transition to where it's becoming clear to most everyone that the system's in a horrible mess.
[01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:45.960]  And we get up off our lazy keisters, get out from front of the TV, set down our six pack and do our jobs.
[01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:48.960]  Well, actually, they didn't give us the power. We had that all along.
[01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:57.960]  They just set up the founding documents so that government was more restricted than it was before.
[01:57:57.960 --> 01:58:03.960]  But listen, we're at the end of the four hours and we do have a number of many callers on the line.
[01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:10.960]  We've got Star. We still have Mike in Florida. We've got John in Florida who's been holding forever.
[01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:14.960]  Mark from Michigan. Paul from Virginia is going to be coming back.
[01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:18.960]  George from Texas. Christopher from Illinois who calls in every Friday night.
[01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:23.960]  Mo from Texas. Mike from Connecticut who's up next as well.
[01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:27.960]  So listen, looks like we're going into overtime mode again this evening.
[01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:33.960]  I want to thank the affiliates who choose to carry us in our after midnight section.
[01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:38.960]  So call us on the line and we will be right back for our after midnight edition.
[01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:43.960]  And callers, you know, we do have shows on other nights of the week.
[01:58:43.960 --> 01:58:48.960]  And then just Friday. So you can call us on Mondays and Thursdays as well.
[01:58:48.960 --> 01:58:58.960]  All right. We'll be right back Friday.
[01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:35.960]  Yeah.
[01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:52.960]  Yeah.