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[04:38.120 --> 05:06.120]  All right, bad boys.
[05:08.120 --> 05:15.120]  What are you going to do when we come for you? Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[05:17.520 --> 05:22.420]  And tonight we're going to continue the great debate over the maritime issue. We've got
[05:22.420 --> 05:31.420]  Greg Chapman, Don Terry and Mike Hussein Holloway, of course, staying over extra time from their
[05:31.420 --> 05:40.620]  show Agenda 21 Talk to discuss this issue. Now, apparently the side, the point of view
[05:40.620 --> 05:46.520]  that the Agenda 21 Talk guys are taking is that you don't need to go to maritime. You're
[05:46.520 --> 05:52.920]  already there. And they are going to show tonight or partially show tonight at least
[05:52.920 --> 05:58.280]  why we already are there. We don't need to argue how we're going to get there because
[05:58.280 --> 06:05.280]  we're already there. And Randy, I don't know what Randy's point of view is yet, but...
[06:05.280 --> 06:10.880]  Mike, now Deborah's talking about getting to maritime. You spent some good time in the
[06:10.880 --> 06:12.800]  last couple of days on this.
[06:12.800 --> 06:13.800]  Yes, I did.
[06:13.800 --> 06:14.800]  Yeah, go ahead, Mike.
[06:14.800 --> 06:19.320]  And it's my belief because of the fact that we don't have the right to jury trial in this
[06:19.320 --> 06:26.320]  country that in fact says that it's an Admiralty case itself because an Admiralty, you don't
[06:26.320 --> 06:28.240]  get a jury trial. All right.
[06:28.240 --> 06:29.240]  That's correct.
[06:29.240 --> 06:31.240]  Now, now, what's your, what's your side?
[06:31.240 --> 06:35.440]  Wait, wait a minute. That's a presupposition that I don't adhere to.
[06:35.440 --> 06:40.880]  Okay. Well, I can tell you for a fact in that in the state of Texas, there are many cases
[06:40.880 --> 06:45.240]  where you do not have a right to a jury trial. And that's not a presupposition. That's a
[06:45.240 --> 06:46.240]  fact.
[06:46.240 --> 06:50.040]  You do not have the right in Alabama. You do not have the right to a jury trial until
[06:50.040 --> 06:56.240]  you get to circuit court. And if you don't ask or force that right, you don't get it.
[06:56.240 --> 06:57.240]  In Texas.
[06:57.240 --> 06:58.480]  You actually have to file for it.
[06:58.480 --> 07:01.960]  In Texas, you have a right to a jury trial even in class A misdemeanor.
[07:01.960 --> 07:04.800]  Well, you don't have a right to a jury trial in family court.
[07:04.800 --> 07:09.120]  Actually, Randy, that's not necessarily true. Look at what they do with the red light cameras.
[07:09.120 --> 07:11.120]  You don't get a jury trial in that instance.
[07:11.120 --> 07:12.120]  It's a...
[07:12.120 --> 07:16.440]  And in family court, you don't get a trial, you don't get jury trial in family court either.
[07:16.440 --> 07:17.440]  That's right.
[07:17.440 --> 07:25.800]  Okay. We both know that the camera issue, the red light camera issue is so outrageously
[07:25.800 --> 07:31.400]  unconstitutional that it will never stand any kind of reasonable challenge.
[07:31.400 --> 07:38.040]  Well, what about family court? Family... Any trial, any case should have a jury trial,
[07:38.040 --> 07:39.440]  whether it's civil or criminal, anytime.
[07:39.440 --> 07:40.440]  That's administrative law.
[07:40.440 --> 07:42.440]  And that's not the way it is.
[07:42.440 --> 07:43.440]  Yeah, but that's administrative law.
[07:43.440 --> 07:51.280]  No, it's not. Family court is civil law. That's a civil court and it's in district court.
[07:51.280 --> 08:00.360]  So that because family court doesn't afford a jury trial, therefore family court is under
[08:00.360 --> 08:01.360]  maritime law.
[08:01.360 --> 08:05.400]  I'm just pointing out the fact that there are many cases where you do not have a right
[08:05.400 --> 08:09.040]  to jury trial. And in Alabama, apparently it's way bad.
[08:09.040 --> 08:18.200]  Okay. Here's the problem. Because in maritime, you don't have a right to jury trial. That
[08:18.200 --> 08:24.080]  does not necessarily mean that anytime you do not have a right to a jury trial, you're
[08:24.080 --> 08:29.080]  in maritime.
[08:29.080 --> 08:30.080]  I'm not buying that.
[08:30.080 --> 08:31.080]  I don't agree with that.
[08:31.080 --> 08:34.440]  But it does not necessarily follow.
[08:34.440 --> 08:38.240]  How many jurisdictions do we have? This may be off topic, but you brought it up. What
[08:38.240 --> 08:42.400]  the heck is administrative law and administrative courts?
[08:42.400 --> 08:51.360]  We have an administrative law in Texas. And most every state has an administrative law.
[08:51.360 --> 08:52.840]  Administrative Procedures Act.
[08:52.840 --> 09:01.320]  But think about what we've talked about before, Randy. Who is bound by administrative law?
[09:01.320 --> 09:06.840]  It is not the people. It has never been the people. The administrative law sole purpose
[09:06.840 --> 09:12.520]  is to govern the government and its employees and its subjects, which we are not.
[09:12.520 --> 09:22.200]  That's a separate issue. Administrative law, just because it doesn't afford a jury trial,
[09:22.200 --> 09:28.920]  does not mean that it falls under maritime law. Simply because maritime law doesn't
[09:28.920 --> 09:37.160]  afford a jury trial either. Because two things look similar, don't mean that they are the
[09:37.160 --> 09:43.560]  same. Or because two things have characteristic in common, does not mean that they are the
[09:43.560 --> 09:44.560]  same.
[09:44.560 --> 09:47.120]  Okay. So it may not necessarily prove that it's maritime just because they don't give
[09:47.120 --> 09:51.440]  us a jury trial. They may just be robbing us and raping us of our right to a jury trial.
[09:51.440 --> 09:58.120]  But let's go to Mike. Let's go to Mike Hussein-Halloway here because Mike has had some experience
[09:58.120 --> 10:04.480]  as of late that he wants to share regarding his take on the whole thing about maritime.
[10:04.480 --> 10:05.480]  Go ahead, Mike.
[10:05.480 --> 10:09.640]  First, Randy, I'd like to know if you have read the Valiant Liberty document by Valiant
[10:09.640 --> 10:10.640]  Liberty.
[10:10.640 --> 10:11.640]  I have it.
[10:11.640 --> 10:15.520]  You have it. You need to read that and this argument will be over.
[10:15.520 --> 10:19.880]  And by the way, let me say this, that Hitler said in Mein Kampf, that if you told a lie
[10:19.880 --> 10:23.880]  and repeated it and reinforced it often enough, the people would begin to accept the lie as
[10:23.880 --> 10:25.320]  true. Don't forget that.
[10:25.320 --> 10:34.240]  I'm very clear of that. That's my concern here. My concern here is being very careful
[10:34.240 --> 10:42.480]  in how we hold our minds and how we accept generalizations and transformational deletions
[10:42.480 --> 10:45.320]  in the language because they can lead us astray.
[10:45.320 --> 10:50.520]  Okay. I understand that. But let's let Mike talk because Mike has some points to make.
[10:50.520 --> 10:55.800]  Yes. Randy, like I said, if you've read this and you should read it, it's a 46-page document.
[10:55.800 --> 11:01.200]  I read it today for my first time. And basically what I brought on the table from that is they
[11:01.200 --> 11:08.400]  have made this admiralty their own usage, not our usage, but their own in order to evict
[11:08.400 --> 11:15.680]  us from our constitutional right of jury trial, the Admiralty Act of 1988. They handed that
[11:15.680 --> 11:18.240]  down and it invoked the rules.
[11:18.240 --> 11:21.360]  Okay. Admiralty what?
[11:21.360 --> 11:28.240]  The Admiralty Act of 1988. You can look that up there and find out. But what it actually
[11:28.240 --> 11:33.480]  does is it's put these extra admiralty rules into our federal rules of civil procedure.
[11:33.480 --> 11:41.120]  There are six additional supplements, six additional rules, the admiralty rules themselves.
[11:41.120 --> 11:46.500]  And when they place those in the federal rules of civil procedure, this invokes the judge
[11:46.500 --> 11:50.560]  the power to claim admiralty in anything that he wants to claim. And they actually are running
[11:50.560 --> 11:56.240]  an admiralty most of the time in any type of matter, just about they are going there.
[11:56.240 --> 12:00.440]  And when they go there, you can claim your rights, you can claim this, you can claim
[12:00.440 --> 12:07.520]  that. But basically unless you challenge subject matter jurisdiction, they're not going to
[12:07.520 --> 12:10.120]  listen to a word you say.
[12:10.120 --> 12:21.160]  Let me also say that how can a judge say that the Constitution has no part? You can't bring
[12:21.160 --> 12:24.200]  up the Constitution in his court, doesn't have anything to do with it.
[12:24.200 --> 12:26.400]  Because he's acting in admiralty.
[12:26.400 --> 12:27.400]  How else could he do?
[12:27.400 --> 12:29.520]  Yeah, and I have personally had them...
[12:29.520 --> 12:36.440]  Wait a minute. Is he necessarily acting in admiralty or could he be acting in statutory?
[12:36.440 --> 12:37.440]  How could he do that?
[12:37.440 --> 12:41.160]  He could be acting in statutory if he's saying the Constitution doesn't apply.
[12:41.160 --> 12:47.080]  Yeah, the statutes must comply with the Constitution. To say it doesn't apply is treason in that
[12:47.080 --> 12:48.080]  regard. Absolutely.
[12:48.080 --> 12:49.080]  Well...
[12:49.080 --> 12:53.160]  Why do you think he wants admiralty jurisdiction in his court?
[12:53.160 --> 12:57.320]  Are we presupposing that the judge is not committing treason?
[12:57.320 --> 13:02.680]  Well, they're not going to jail.
[13:02.680 --> 13:03.680]  So?
[13:03.680 --> 13:08.520]  So they must be doing something right. They must be doing something okay.
[13:08.520 --> 13:16.240]  That doesn't not... it could well be that this is generic corruption.
[13:16.240 --> 13:23.400]  But also, the key here is, have we figured something out? And if we have figured something
[13:23.400 --> 13:29.760]  out, then can we take advantage of it? And that leads us to Wendy's situation, that leads
[13:29.760 --> 13:35.560]  us to Tim's case down there. And you've got to read the documents in that case.
[13:35.560 --> 13:41.400]  Now, I understand something about Tim's case also. Tim, in his own words, talks of being
[13:41.400 --> 13:45.360]  in bankruptcy. And that's what that case is in the Bankruptcy Court of the Middle District
[13:45.360 --> 13:46.360]  of Alabama.
[13:46.360 --> 13:47.360]  Right.
[13:47.360 --> 13:48.360]  Federal.
[13:48.360 --> 13:50.440]  Okay, Federal Bankruptcy Court is what it is.
[13:50.440 --> 13:51.440]  Right.
[13:51.440 --> 13:56.920]  Now, when he claimed admiralty, his own word is, he pulled that judge's teeth. He did because
[13:56.920 --> 14:02.960]  bankruptcy is a different tribunal. Absolutely. So he claimed admiralty in there, which changed
[14:02.960 --> 14:08.160]  the jurisdiction and which did, in fact, put that judge out of business. But in a regular
[14:08.160 --> 14:12.160]  court of law, when you claim admiralty, you're not going to put the judge out of business.
[14:12.160 --> 14:17.800]  I'm looking at Admiralty Act 1988, Section 4 maritime claims.
[14:17.800 --> 14:18.800]  Okay.
[14:18.800 --> 14:25.080]  A reference in this act to a maritime claim is a reference to a proprietary maritime claim
[14:25.080 --> 14:30.120]  and a general maritime claim. A reference in this act to a proprietary maritime claim
[14:30.120 --> 14:37.200]  is a reference to a claim relating to possession of a ship, title to or ownership of a ship,
[14:37.200 --> 14:44.280]  or share in a ship, a mortgage of a ship, or of a share in a ship, a mortgage of a ship's
[14:44.280 --> 14:50.760]  freight, a claim between two co-owners of a ship. And as it go down, ship, ship, ship,
[14:50.760 --> 14:51.760]  ship, ship.
[14:51.760 --> 14:55.680]  We're in a ship. What, are you singing doo-wop now or what?
[14:55.680 --> 15:00.880]  Everything goes to ship. Go see, go see the definitions and see what they are. Maybe ship's
[15:00.880 --> 15:01.880]  defined.
[15:01.880 --> 15:08.600]  Oh, good idea. That's always been my problem, is I can't get off water.
[15:08.600 --> 15:10.600]  You're going to find out, Randy, that it is.
[15:10.600 --> 15:14.640]  Now, wait a minute, Randy. You just with your own words said ship, ship, ship. It didn't
[15:14.640 --> 15:15.640]  say water, water, water.
[15:15.640 --> 15:23.920]  Here's the key, Randy. Let me explain it for you real quick, real simple. Did it not just
[15:23.920 --> 15:30.000]  say mortgage of a ship? Commerce. Did it not just say cargo of a ship? Commerce. Did it
[15:30.000 --> 15:32.920]  not just say the voyage of a ship? Commerce.
[15:32.920 --> 15:35.200]  It still all goes to ship. We cannot.
[15:35.200 --> 15:38.480]  Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily go to water now.
[15:38.480 --> 15:39.480]  But we can't.
[15:39.480 --> 15:43.920]  Yeah, but Randy, what you brought up a while ago about, isn't it just basic corruption?
[15:43.920 --> 15:48.760]  If they have replaced our constitutional law with Admiralty law upon the land, that is
[15:48.760 --> 15:49.760]  corruption.
[15:49.760 --> 15:52.760]  Well, they haven't replaced it.
[15:52.760 --> 15:58.500]  So, both facts would stand true. By acting in Admiralty, they are corrupting our judicial
[15:58.500 --> 16:01.800]  system under our constitution.
[16:01.800 --> 16:05.200]  That's a generalization without foundation.
[16:05.200 --> 16:06.200]  They made it like this way.
[16:06.200 --> 16:09.280]  Their actions are the basis of the foundation.
[16:09.280 --> 16:13.780]  Six supplemental rules that they can use to do any act they want to, and they still got
[16:13.780 --> 16:20.040]  our other rules there. Those six rules, the supplemental rules of Admiralty. It's in the
[16:20.040 --> 16:22.000]  Federal Civil Procedure.
[16:22.000 --> 16:24.280]  I was looking at those the other day.
[16:24.280 --> 16:28.600]  Okay, and you're going to find forfeiture, you're going to find actions in the realm,
[16:28.600 --> 16:34.880]  and you're going to find possessatory actions and several other actions. And one thing in
[16:34.880 --> 16:40.720]  there also is fictitious parties. Okay, 9-H says something about fictitious parties in
[16:40.720 --> 16:41.720]  9-H.
[16:41.720 --> 16:44.120]  We can't get to 9-H.
[16:44.120 --> 16:49.400]  Sure you can. Fictitious parties are the United States government. It is a fictitious party.
[16:49.400 --> 16:54.080]  It is a corporation. You look under fictitious parties, and it's IE corporations.
[16:54.080 --> 16:55.080]  Under 9-H.
[16:55.080 --> 16:57.680]  9-H, Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
[16:57.680 --> 17:08.720]  What 9-H tells you is that if you have a maritime claim, you must state the maritime claim.
[17:08.720 --> 17:15.280]  Because even if the claim can ring in maritime, and you don't claim maritime, it will ring
[17:15.280 --> 17:16.760]  in statutory.
[17:16.760 --> 17:18.880]  And that's where they use it against you.
[17:18.880 --> 17:27.640]  But what it does say is you can only claim maritime if it rings in maritime. It doesn't
[17:27.640 --> 17:32.800]  mean that you can simply claim maritime and it automatically goes to maritime.
[17:32.800 --> 17:33.800]  That's right.
[17:33.800 --> 17:39.520]  But the board is already in admiralty, and that's what they're acting in admiralty jurisdiction.
[17:39.520 --> 17:42.520]  Admiralty and maritime are different.
[17:42.520 --> 17:48.840]  Tell me, Randy, why, at least in the cases that we've looked at, I'll just say case mainly
[17:48.840 --> 17:54.840]  because we've really looked at Tim's, all the documents filed in there, why is it that
[17:54.840 --> 17:59.000]  the maritime jurisdiction has not even been challenged?
[17:59.000 --> 18:05.080]  That's a presupposition I'm not aware of, has not been challenged.
[18:05.080 --> 18:06.840]  We've looked at the documents, but they haven't challenged it.
[18:06.840 --> 18:07.840]  Yeah, they have the documents.
[18:07.840 --> 18:08.840]  They folded.
[18:08.840 --> 18:09.840]  Okay.
[18:09.840 --> 18:15.600]  The fact that they didn't challenge it may well be that you're claiming maritime when
[18:15.600 --> 18:25.120]  in fact it rings in contract.
[18:25.120 --> 18:29.840]  And it doesn't matter what you call it.
[18:29.840 --> 18:37.720]  Like in Wendy's case, she's claiming a maritime lien, but in looking at it, it appears she's
[18:37.720 --> 18:43.360]  created a commercial lien and it doesn't make any difference what you call it, it is what
[18:43.360 --> 18:44.360]  it is.
[18:44.360 --> 18:50.560]  And if they can't refute the commercial lien, they can't refute it.
[18:50.560 --> 18:53.080]  So it makes no difference what they call it.
[18:53.080 --> 19:00.920]  And that's, in looking at the case law that clearly relegates maritime to things going
[19:00.920 --> 19:04.800]  on on the open water, on the navigable waters.
[19:04.800 --> 19:05.800]  It's actually navigable.
[19:05.800 --> 19:06.800]  That's what I...
[19:06.800 --> 19:07.800]  No, you said navigatable.
[19:07.800 --> 19:08.800]  It's navigable.
[19:08.800 --> 19:09.800]  My tongue gets tingled.
[19:09.800 --> 19:10.800]  There's a difference.
[19:10.800 --> 19:11.800]  Ship, ship, ship, ship, ship.
[19:11.800 --> 19:12.800]  Okay.
[19:12.800 --> 19:13.800]  Yeah.
[19:13.800 --> 19:14.800]  Storm an issue.
[19:14.800 --> 19:15.800]  Storm an issue.
[19:15.800 --> 19:16.800]  My fault.
[19:16.800 --> 19:17.800]  Storm an issue.
[19:17.800 --> 19:18.800]  Storm an issue.
[19:18.800 --> 19:19.800]  My fault.
[19:19.800 --> 19:20.800]  Storm an issue.
[19:20.800 --> 19:32.080]  I always did pronounce the F. Anyway, it goes to navigable waters every time I see it.
[19:32.080 --> 19:39.120]  And when it's not on navigable waters, it's in the statutory.
[19:39.120 --> 19:41.880]  I can't see how we can get there.
[19:41.880 --> 19:46.440]  We can use maritime when it applies, and that's what 9-H says.
[19:46.440 --> 19:54.960]  You can claim maritime if maritime applies, but International Jet Engine was real clear
[19:54.960 --> 19:57.120]  in where maritime applied.
[19:57.120 --> 20:04.360]  The jet takes off from a ground-based airport, picks up some birds after leaving the airport,
[20:04.360 --> 20:07.360]  crashes into Lake Erie.
[20:07.360 --> 20:10.960]  They sued in maritime, sued the airport.
[20:10.960 --> 20:13.840]  The court said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[20:13.840 --> 20:16.960]  The tort occurred over the land.
[20:16.960 --> 20:20.960]  The fact that the aircraft landed in the lake was incidental.
[20:20.960 --> 20:23.640]  The tort did not occur in the lake.
[20:23.640 --> 20:27.520]  It occurred over the land, therefore maritime did not apply.
[20:27.520 --> 20:34.360]  So even this acrylic ceiling, the air over the land is not maritime, clearly.
[20:34.360 --> 20:40.680]  What about this case of Propeller Genesee Chief versus Fitzhugh?
[20:40.680 --> 20:46.480]  Where the court, this is what the court's opinion was, it says, this power of Admiralty
[20:46.480 --> 20:51.400]  jurisdiction is as extensive upon land as upon water.
[20:51.400 --> 20:54.920]  The Constitution makes no distinction in that respect.
[20:54.920 --> 21:04.780]  Propeller Genesee goes to a contract that exists in maritime and moves from maritime
[21:04.780 --> 21:07.400]  onto the land.
[21:07.400 --> 21:13.600]  If the contract is completely on the land, then the maritime doesn't apply.
[21:13.600 --> 21:15.760]  And that's what Genesee was about.
[21:15.760 --> 21:23.080]  It doesn't say that because they go on to say that, let's see, it's under the power
[21:23.080 --> 21:27.360]  to regulate commerce, it can, with the same propriety and upon the same construction,
[21:27.360 --> 21:32.440]  be extended to contracts and torts on land when the commerce is between different states.
[21:32.440 --> 21:36.320]  And it may embrace also the vehicles and persons engaged in carrying it on.
[21:36.320 --> 21:40.400]  It may be in the power of Congress to confer Admiralty jurisdiction upon its courts over
[21:40.400 --> 21:45.600]  the cars engaged in transporting passengers or merchandise from one state to another.
[21:45.600 --> 21:53.760]  But if you look at the rest of the case law, where the transportation of persons or merchandise,
[21:53.760 --> 22:00.400]  in order to get it from statutory, if it's between states, it's diversity jurisdiction,
[22:00.400 --> 22:06.360]  it goes to the federal, but to get it out of the federal statutory into the federal
[22:06.360 --> 22:13.000]  maritime, the transport between states has to be on, at some point of the transport on
[22:13.000 --> 22:14.800]  navigable waters.
[22:14.800 --> 22:23.280]  For instance, someone contracts to ship product on board ship, from ship to train, from train
[22:23.280 --> 22:30.720]  to truck, because a portion of the contract is maritime, a portion is statutory, it can
[22:30.720 --> 22:33.280]  ring in either.
[22:33.280 --> 22:41.640]  So it can ring in maritime if they choose maritime under 9-H. But if there is no portion
[22:41.640 --> 22:49.480]  of the contract that exists in maritime, then it cannot ring in maritime.
[22:49.480 --> 22:52.960]  And what is the contract that you're talking about specifically?
[22:52.960 --> 22:58.240]  A transport contract, that's the only one that's referenced, is shipping in the case
[22:58.240 --> 23:06.480]  law, where shipping is the only thing that brought maritime onto the land, was a shipping
[23:06.480 --> 23:14.280]  contract where a portion of the shipping contract was on navigable waters, and the shipping
[23:14.280 --> 23:21.240]  contract went from navigable waters onto the land in train or truck.
[23:21.240 --> 23:31.000]  And since a portion of it was in maritime clearly, a portion of it was subject to statutory,
[23:31.000 --> 23:36.560]  it was inappropriate to attempt to adjudicate in two different jurisdictions.
[23:36.560 --> 23:45.760]  Therefore, under 9-H, the petitioner could choose the jurisdiction, he could choose to
[23:45.760 --> 23:48.520]  be in statutory or he could choose to be in maritime.
[23:48.520 --> 23:51.720]  All right, let me ask you something.
[23:51.720 --> 24:00.280]  This is hypothetical because it almost explains this whole process, but what if I had a ship
[24:00.280 --> 24:04.960]  named Gregory Keith Chapman in all capital letters?
[24:04.960 --> 24:09.320]  And so what if somebody, what are you smiling at, Hussein?
[24:09.320 --> 24:17.520]  And so what if somebody files a complaint versus United States versus Gregory Keith
[24:17.520 --> 24:27.120]  Chapman, and I claim that that is a vessel, then why can't I bring that into maritime?
[24:27.120 --> 24:34.960]  The vessel does not create the maritime, clearly, it's not the vessel, it's the water.
[24:34.960 --> 24:35.960]  I don't see that.
[24:35.960 --> 24:36.960]  I don't see that.
[24:36.960 --> 24:37.960]  That's clear in the law.
[24:37.960 --> 24:38.960]  Corruption.
[24:38.960 --> 24:42.160]  I'm trying to remember the name of the case.
[24:42.160 --> 24:49.840]  The ship is being built, or is in, I'm sorry, it's in Dry Dock, but this may be Denise.
[24:49.840 --> 24:57.800]  It's in Dry Dock, a worker is killed working on the ship in Dry Dock.
[24:57.800 --> 25:00.440]  They try to sue in maritime.
[25:00.440 --> 25:02.760]  The court said, no, you can't sue in maritime.
[25:02.760 --> 25:11.240]  The ship was not on the sea at the time, it was not involved in commerce over navigable
[25:11.240 --> 25:12.240]  waters.
[25:12.240 --> 25:17.040]  Therefore, it rings in tort on the ground.
[25:17.040 --> 25:18.320]  So I'm going to go to this court.
[25:18.320 --> 25:23.160]  I look up the court, I can find the financials of it and find it listed as a private corporation.
[25:23.160 --> 25:26.880]  I get its EIN number, I get its financials, I find it's been writing bonds.
[25:26.880 --> 25:28.840]  The court's a commercial entity.
[25:28.840 --> 25:29.840]  Okay.
[25:29.840 --> 25:34.160]  Now, I'm just curious about the corruption thing you brought up earlier.
[25:34.160 --> 25:36.420]  Who are you going to believe?
[25:36.420 --> 25:40.000]  Are you going to believe that they actually, everything's just all okay and maritime's
[25:40.000 --> 25:41.000]  water and everything?
[25:41.000 --> 25:46.800]  Are you going to believe that they're actually screwing with your mind and, you know, lying?
[25:46.800 --> 25:50.280]  Well, see, here's kind of my take on this whole thing.
[25:50.280 --> 25:58.480]  It may well be true what Randy's saying, that we can't go to admiralty law and because
[25:58.480 --> 26:03.520]  of the corruption thing, they are declaring everything admiralty.
[26:03.520 --> 26:09.200]  They're working in admiralty and so we're playing along like, okay, then let's play
[26:09.200 --> 26:10.200]  ball then.
[26:10.200 --> 26:14.640]  Okay, let's do the admiralty thing since you guys are doing it and they're like, they're
[26:14.640 --> 26:18.000]  not bucking it because they don't want to have to give it up and it very well could
[26:18.000 --> 26:22.880]  be that even though no one's allowed to do it, since they're the ones that started it
[26:22.880 --> 26:27.920]  and we're playing along and doing it too, they don't want to give it up and so that's
[26:27.920 --> 26:30.680]  why they're letting it slide.
[26:30.680 --> 26:39.200]  Let me clarify that I don't really have an opinion about maritime or statutory or administrative.
[26:39.200 --> 26:45.880]  I simply don't want to get led down a false trail.
[26:45.880 --> 26:48.440]  I wouldn't care which one it was in.
[26:48.440 --> 26:55.440]  I just want to make sure that I'm not being misled.
[26:55.440 --> 26:59.760]  It could well be that the courts are just doing whatever the hell they want to.
[26:59.760 --> 27:00.760]  Absolutely, Randy.
[27:00.760 --> 27:02.560]  Welcome to Wonderland, Al.
[27:02.560 --> 27:03.560]  Yeah.
[27:03.560 --> 27:07.480]  Yeah, it may not be maritime and this is what Ken keeps saying.
[27:07.480 --> 27:10.880]  This could just be generic corruption.
[27:10.880 --> 27:14.320]  We say because the courts are doing this, it must be a maritime.
[27:14.320 --> 27:15.840]  Well, not necessarily.
[27:15.840 --> 27:18.600]  That's a non sequitur.
[27:18.600 --> 27:24.960]  Because the courts are doing something that would be forbidden in statutory, it does not
[27:24.960 --> 27:28.320]  necessarily mean that they're acting in a maritime way.
[27:28.320 --> 27:32.180]  Yeah, but I think what they're saying is part of the generic corruption.
[27:32.180 --> 27:36.800]  Generic corruption can be anything, okay, and the fact that they're operating an admiralty
[27:36.800 --> 27:39.760]  is part of the generic corruption.
[27:39.760 --> 27:42.400]  It's part of the understanding of where we are.
[27:42.400 --> 27:47.120]  You know, why is it that a judge would say, don't bring up the Constitution?
[27:47.120 --> 27:49.120]  Well, now I understand.
[27:49.120 --> 27:50.120]  I know.
[27:50.120 --> 27:51.120]  I don't.
[27:51.120 --> 27:52.120]  I do.
[27:52.120 --> 27:53.120]  Absolutely.
[27:53.120 --> 27:54.120]  Wait a minute.
[27:54.120 --> 28:01.720]  Even if he claims to be in maritime, if the maritime jurisdiction has not been specifically
[28:01.720 --> 28:11.360]  invoked, then I will go back to his contract, the contract he entered into upon the swearing
[28:11.360 --> 28:18.800]  to his oath, and that was to uphold the laws and protect the Constitution.
[28:18.800 --> 28:26.800]  And unless the jurisdiction has been specifically planned, then he's bound by the oath.
[28:26.800 --> 28:35.800]  If he violates the oath, I'll go for him for repudiation of the contract and fraud.
[28:35.800 --> 28:36.800]  Okay.
[28:36.800 --> 28:38.280]  Tell that to Robert Fox.
[28:38.280 --> 28:42.200]  I would say I know why he says no Constitution, because he's a corporation.
[28:42.200 --> 28:44.520]  He can only hear corporate commerce stuff.
[28:44.520 --> 28:47.520]  And if you bring up some non-corporate commerce stuff, he's going to throw you out.
[28:47.520 --> 28:50.240]  Unstated presupposition.
[28:50.240 --> 29:00.280]  You presuppose that because a court is a corporation, that it is not also at the same time a statutory
[29:00.280 --> 29:01.280]  court.
[29:01.280 --> 29:05.400]  Well, if that's the case, then how come they won't abate your name on the documents to
[29:05.400 --> 29:06.400]  be upper lower case?
[29:06.400 --> 29:08.040]  They will not do it.
[29:08.040 --> 29:15.960]  Michael Bider abated cases all the way up to the Supreme Court, and they would not change
[29:15.960 --> 29:18.100]  his name to upper lower case.
[29:18.100 --> 29:22.480]  That means they're only hearing cases concerning commercial entities.
[29:22.480 --> 29:25.400]  He knows, I see that's specious logic.
[29:25.400 --> 29:26.400]  No, it's not.
[29:26.400 --> 29:27.400]  No, it's not.
[29:27.400 --> 29:30.160]  It does not necessarily mean that.
[29:30.160 --> 29:32.080]  I don't think so.
[29:32.080 --> 29:34.760]  There could be other explanations for the same thing.
[29:34.760 --> 29:35.760]  I don't think so.
[29:35.760 --> 29:40.440]  For instance, the law requires that the case be filed in all of the cases.
[29:40.440 --> 29:42.720]  No, there is no law that says that.
[29:42.720 --> 29:44.760]  There is no law that says that.
[29:44.760 --> 29:45.760]  I'm saying there is one.
[29:45.760 --> 29:46.760]  I'm saying that one.
[29:46.760 --> 29:47.760]  There is no law that says that.
[29:47.760 --> 29:49.920]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[29:49.920 --> 29:58.800]  We'll be back on the other side to continue.
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[31:18.480 --> 31:47.200]  There's no place for a street fighting man.
[31:47.200 --> 31:49.680]  Okay, we are back.
[31:49.680 --> 31:54.560]  We've got Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, the Agenda 21 guys, Greg Chapman,
[31:54.560 --> 31:58.480]  Don Terry, Mike Hussein Holloway, the camel has landed.
[31:58.480 --> 32:02.960]  I'm still worried about Mike Hussein Holloway, he's going to wind up getting us all in Guantanamo.
[32:02.960 --> 32:06.200]  I don't think so, he's going to be getting us out of Guantanamo.
[32:06.200 --> 32:11.440]  I just escaped from Guantanamo, as if he could convince them he's really not an Arab under
[32:11.440 --> 32:12.440]  that wrap.
[32:12.440 --> 32:15.760]  I got a habeas corpus and got out of there, you know.
[32:15.760 --> 32:22.520]  Let me throw this at you, let me throw this out to you, okay, let me see where this was
[32:22.520 --> 32:23.520]  from.
[32:23.520 --> 32:32.280]  This was from, let me see the source here, the source is the publication, I don't have
[32:32.280 --> 32:33.280]  the source.
[32:33.280 --> 32:38.440]  And the calling number is 126469-884.
[32:38.440 --> 32:39.440]  Mike is on the call.
[32:39.440 --> 32:41.480]  I was going to bring up something while Greg's doing that.
[32:41.480 --> 32:45.960]  Eddie has a good point about the oath, who they actually take the oath to, they take
[32:45.960 --> 32:48.080]  the oath to a corporate entity.
[32:48.080 --> 32:52.840]  Yeah, Randy was talking about, you know, when they swear the oath, that the oath is sworn
[32:52.840 --> 32:58.480]  to a sovereign governmental entity, the state, and I'm going to, wait a minute, the state
[32:58.480 --> 33:03.300]  of Texas is not a sovereign entity, it is in fact a corporation.
[33:03.300 --> 33:05.720]  Look on the floor of the state capitol.
[33:05.720 --> 33:06.720]  Wait a minute.
[33:06.720 --> 33:12.560]  The state of Texas that is the sovereign nation and the sovereign government.
[33:12.560 --> 33:16.080]  Under the statutory law, the state is sovereign.
[33:16.080 --> 33:23.800]  But what Eddie is saying is that he's swearing an oath to the corporate entity, not to the
[33:23.800 --> 33:27.400]  constitutionally created republic.
[33:27.400 --> 33:35.160]  I have seen nothing in law that made the republic sovereign, the law declares that the state
[33:35.160 --> 33:36.160]  is sovereign.
[33:36.160 --> 33:37.160]  The constitution though.
[33:37.160 --> 33:41.000]  The state constitution makes the republic sovereign.
[33:41.000 --> 33:42.920]  It makes the state sovereign.
[33:42.920 --> 33:43.920]  No.
[33:43.920 --> 33:44.920]  But what Eddie is saying.
[33:44.920 --> 33:49.680]  The federal constitution says all states shall adhere to a republican form of government.
[33:49.680 --> 33:54.920]  Yes, but that doesn't make the state or anything sovereign.
[33:54.920 --> 34:00.960]  But what Eddie is saying is that the entity that he's swearing an oath to is the corporation,
[34:00.960 --> 34:05.880]  not the sovereign state constitutionally created government.
[34:05.880 --> 34:06.880]  Wait a minute.
[34:06.880 --> 34:14.880]  Now all the law I see concerning sovereignty declares the sovereignty of the state doesn't
[34:14.880 --> 34:16.160]  say anything about the republic.
[34:16.160 --> 34:20.520]  I know, but the point that we're trying to make is that when he declares, when he says
[34:20.520 --> 34:26.120]  his oath, he's swearing his oath to the corporation, not to anything else.
[34:26.120 --> 34:27.120]  No, it's not.
[34:27.120 --> 34:29.120]  Here's a perfect example.
[34:29.120 --> 34:35.140]  In federal law, Randy, how many definitions for the United States are there?
[34:35.140 --> 34:38.960]  How many different representations of the United States?
[34:38.960 --> 34:39.960]  Wait a minute.
[34:39.960 --> 34:40.960]  Wait a minute.
[34:40.960 --> 34:41.960]  Separate issue.
[34:41.960 --> 34:43.760]  We're talking about sovereignty of the state, not the United States.
[34:43.760 --> 34:48.800]  No, we're talking about who is getting allegiance sworn to.
[34:48.800 --> 34:50.520]  It's the same principle.
[34:50.520 --> 34:57.640]  When they define the state in all the stuff that you're referring to, it is not the original
[34:57.640 --> 35:00.640]  de jure republic.
[35:00.640 --> 35:03.320]  It is the de facto state corporation.
[35:03.320 --> 35:11.680]  Yes, and the statutory law and the case law declares that the state is sovereign, not
[35:11.680 --> 35:12.680]  the republic.
[35:12.680 --> 35:15.480]  Randy, look, let me say it this way.
[35:15.480 --> 35:23.640]  If I swear an oath to someone other than you, for example, how are you going to hold me
[35:23.640 --> 35:30.840]  responsible when I'm not... If you're going to claim that I violated my oath to you, you
[35:30.840 --> 35:34.440]  have no claim against me because I never swore an oath to you.
[35:34.440 --> 35:37.640]  I swore an oath to someone or something else.
[35:37.640 --> 35:41.240]  That's the whole point when we're saying when they take their oath, they're taking their
[35:41.240 --> 35:48.680]  oath to the corporation, not to the constitutionally created sovereign state.
[35:48.680 --> 35:53.280]  You can't hold me responsible for violating an oath to you when I never swore an oath
[35:53.280 --> 35:54.280]  to you.
[35:54.280 --> 35:55.280]  That's what we're trying to say.
[35:55.280 --> 36:04.440]  I'm saying that you swore your oath to the corporate state and the case law and the statutory
[36:04.440 --> 36:08.200]  law declares the state to be sovereign, not the republic.
[36:08.200 --> 36:14.120]  Okay, show me where the people delegated the authority to the legislature to replace their
[36:14.120 --> 36:18.800]  republican form of government with a corporate state.
[36:18.800 --> 36:19.800]  Separate argument.
[36:19.800 --> 36:20.800]  No, it's not.
[36:20.800 --> 36:25.640]  The point is that the statutes and the case law that's given them this authority, I'm
[36:25.640 --> 36:30.720]  asking you, where was the authority ever granted to them to do that in the first place?
[36:30.720 --> 36:31.720]  It's not the argument.
[36:31.720 --> 36:32.720]  Yes, it is.
[36:32.720 --> 36:38.680]  If the argument is, who is, are you swearing the oath to?
[36:38.680 --> 36:43.920]  Not rather or not, it's appropriate to swear the oath to this entity.
[36:43.920 --> 36:49.520]  But Randy, if someone is swearing an oath to one entity, that doesn't necessarily mean
[36:49.520 --> 36:53.120]  they're swearing an oath to another entity.
[36:53.120 --> 36:59.600]  Just because a judge swears an oath to a corporation that's on the books as a commercial entity
[36:59.600 --> 37:03.720]  with an EIN number, it's just like Federal Express.
[37:03.720 --> 37:10.960]  Federal Express is no more federal than Jerry Stevens Piano Service or the Federal Reserve
[37:10.960 --> 37:11.960]  for that matter.
[37:11.960 --> 37:19.760]  Okay, just because a judge is swearing an oath to the commercial corporate entity of
[37:19.760 --> 37:23.640]  the United States with an EIN number that's a corporate entity on the books, that does
[37:23.640 --> 37:30.000]  not mean that he's swearing an oath to the sovereign constitutionally created government.
[37:30.000 --> 37:31.000]  Do you understand?
[37:31.000 --> 37:36.480]  Well, you're making a distinction between the state and the republic.
[37:36.480 --> 37:45.520]  No, I'm making a distinction between the commercial entity and this constitutionally created government.
[37:45.520 --> 37:48.600]  Well, then we need definitions.
[37:48.600 --> 37:52.840]  Okay, let me give you a definition.
[37:52.840 --> 37:55.800]  Title 18, Chapter 1, Section 7.
[37:55.800 --> 37:56.800]  Have you read that?
[37:56.800 --> 37:57.800]  Objection.
[37:57.800 --> 38:05.000]  We're in state law here, not federal.
[38:05.000 --> 38:08.440]  I wanted to go back to maritime.
[38:08.440 --> 38:14.520]  Okay, we have to go back to the state.
[38:14.520 --> 38:16.320]  We have to go back to the state.
[38:16.320 --> 38:17.320]  Go back to the state.
[38:17.320 --> 38:18.320]  I'm sorry.
[38:18.320 --> 38:21.920]  When you're ready for federal, I'll go there.
[38:21.920 --> 38:23.800]  Will that bring us back to state?
[38:23.800 --> 38:24.800]  What?
[38:24.800 --> 38:27.600]  What I'm about to read?
[38:27.600 --> 38:28.600]  Yeah.
[38:28.600 --> 38:30.200]  It explains the vessel.
[38:30.200 --> 38:31.200]  Oh.
[38:31.200 --> 38:32.200]  Okay.
[38:32.200 --> 38:34.200]  Let me ask you a question, Randy.
[38:34.200 --> 38:36.520]  There's some debate over this particular issue.
[38:36.520 --> 38:38.880]  You know how I am about defining terms.
[38:38.880 --> 38:39.880]  Yes.
[38:39.880 --> 38:43.400]  Define the term in this state.
[38:43.400 --> 38:44.560]  We've been through that.
[38:44.560 --> 38:45.680]  No, we haven't.
[38:45.680 --> 38:46.680]  Not that.
[38:46.680 --> 38:47.680]  Okay.
[38:47.680 --> 38:52.240]  We've been through the way it is covered in the tax code where it specifically says within
[38:52.240 --> 38:54.800]  in this state in that specific area.
[38:54.800 --> 38:58.920]  Here we're talking about the case law and all the other statutes that abide by that
[38:58.920 --> 39:00.260]  term.
[39:00.260 --> 39:07.280]  Every one of them specifically show the authority of the statute to be effective in this state.
[39:07.280 --> 39:11.920]  We need to find out exactly where they're defining in this state.
[39:11.920 --> 39:17.240]  What I am willing to bet you will find based upon what I've studied, in this state refers
[39:17.240 --> 39:22.480]  to the corporate body, not the sovereign body.
[39:22.480 --> 39:28.420]  If it is within the corporate body and not the sovereign body, it does not have any jurisdiction
[39:28.420 --> 39:33.080]  over the people who are being drug into that jurisdiction against our will.
[39:33.080 --> 39:34.080]  Okay.
[39:34.080 --> 39:35.080]  Presupposition.
[39:35.080 --> 39:43.120]  There seems to be an unstated presupposition here that the corporate state cannot be the
[39:43.120 --> 39:47.180]  sovereign body.
[39:47.180 --> 39:51.600]  Was there authority granted in the Constitution for our legislature or any part of our government
[39:51.600 --> 39:53.120]  to incorporate themselves?
[39:53.120 --> 39:56.700]  That's a great point, Eddie.
[39:56.700 --> 40:01.920]  Any power not granted by the Constitution does not exist in any lawful government.
[40:01.920 --> 40:02.920]  Exactly.
[40:02.920 --> 40:03.920]  Exactly.
[40:03.920 --> 40:04.920]  No, it's not.
[40:04.920 --> 40:05.920]  It's not.
[40:05.920 --> 40:08.640]  You cannot argue that as a separate issue because every issue that they're attempting
[40:08.640 --> 40:12.880]  to do is based solely upon the authority we allegedly gave them.
[40:12.880 --> 40:13.880]  Okay.
[40:13.880 --> 40:15.000]  That authority doesn't exist.
[40:15.000 --> 40:16.000]  They don't have that power.
[40:16.000 --> 40:22.600]  Hence, the corporation, United States of America or State of Texas or whatever they call themselves
[40:22.600 --> 40:28.640]  as a corporate entity with an EIN number cannot possibly be the sovereign constitutionally
[40:28.640 --> 40:33.440]  created government that we created because it doesn't say in the Constitution, it doesn't
[40:33.440 --> 40:35.280]  grant the authority for them to do that.
[40:35.280 --> 40:39.200]  So it has to be a separate commercial private entity.
[40:39.200 --> 40:47.160]  How does the Constitution grant a state the power to be a sovereign state?
[40:47.160 --> 40:48.160]  It doesn't.
[40:48.160 --> 40:51.160]  You're changing the subject.
[40:51.160 --> 40:58.840]  You're saying that if the sovereign state decides to be a corporation that somehow it
[40:58.840 --> 41:03.240]  all of a sudden stops being a sovereign state because the Constitution didn't authorize
[41:03.240 --> 41:04.240]  it?
[41:04.240 --> 41:05.240]  No.
[41:05.240 --> 41:06.240]  I'm saying that they created another entity.
[41:06.240 --> 41:11.520]  Randy, you remember I sent you the Supreme Court case that specifically states when the
[41:11.520 --> 41:18.160]  states were formed, when the nation of America was formed, sovereignty devolved to the people,
[41:18.160 --> 41:26.080]  to the government, to the people, and all governments exist on their authority alone.
[41:26.080 --> 41:27.280]  We are the sovereign.
[41:27.280 --> 41:28.860]  The state is not.
[41:28.860 --> 41:34.240]  When the state claims sovereignty, it's claiming an act of power it does not have.
[41:34.240 --> 41:41.520]  The only sovereignty that the state claims is sovereign immunity from civil litigation.
[41:41.520 --> 41:44.480]  But show me where the Constitution says that.
[41:44.480 --> 41:50.280]  The Constitution says the state is protected from prosecution and a civil action by the
[41:50.280 --> 41:56.960]  people of another state or the federal government or the government of another state.
[41:56.960 --> 42:02.120]  Nowhere does it say that the state government is sovereign from prosecution by its own citizens.
[42:02.120 --> 42:03.800]  Good point.
[42:03.800 --> 42:07.760]  That is authority delegated to the state and the state has...
[42:07.760 --> 42:08.760]  Who delegated it?
[42:08.760 --> 42:09.760]  Who delegated it?
[42:09.760 --> 42:17.720]  It was left...that is a power not included in the Constitution and left to the sovereignty
[42:17.720 --> 42:19.160]  of the states themselves.
[42:19.160 --> 42:20.800]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[42:20.800 --> 42:21.800]  Can't be, Randy.
[42:21.800 --> 42:26.440]  Cannot be because anything not left to the states or to the federal government goes to
[42:26.440 --> 42:27.440]  the states and the people.
[42:27.440 --> 42:28.440]  That's what I'm saying.
[42:28.440 --> 42:29.440]  I can't say...
[42:29.440 --> 42:32.040]  And to the people, not the state itself.
[42:32.040 --> 42:38.560]  The people then determine what authority the state has when they write their state Constitution.
[42:38.560 --> 42:43.400]  The state itself does not exist until the Constitution is written and ratified by the
[42:43.400 --> 42:45.520]  people.
[42:45.520 --> 42:51.680]  Nowhere in our Constitution does it say the state is sovereignly immune from its own citizens.
[42:51.680 --> 42:56.000]  Nowhere.
[42:56.000 --> 42:59.960]  That means it's not.
[42:59.960 --> 43:04.160]  For a state to claim sovereign immunity against the very people that gave it its existence
[43:04.160 --> 43:06.360]  and its power is absolutely ludicrous.
[43:06.360 --> 43:07.360]  It's a paradox.
[43:07.360 --> 43:12.080]  It's not the same grounds as your children saying, just because you gave birth to me,
[43:12.080 --> 43:15.000]  I don't have to do anything you tell or teach me.
[43:15.000 --> 43:18.680]  And they do say that sometimes, too.
[43:18.680 --> 43:22.860]  But they have to reach a certain age of maturity as a child before you allow them to get away
[43:22.860 --> 43:24.520]  with that, too.
[43:24.520 --> 43:27.240]  The state, however, never reaches that maturity.
[43:27.240 --> 43:30.920]  It is always reliant on the will of the people, period.
[43:30.920 --> 43:32.760]  I'm not saying this is right.
[43:32.760 --> 43:34.280]  Oh, I know you're not.
[43:34.280 --> 43:36.440]  I'm saying this is how it is.
[43:36.440 --> 43:40.280]  But that doesn't mean that it's, that doesn't mean it's lawful?
[43:40.280 --> 43:41.280]  That's a presumption.
[43:41.280 --> 43:42.280]  It is lawful.
[43:42.280 --> 43:43.280]  That's the presumption.
[43:43.280 --> 43:44.280]  No, it's not.
[43:44.280 --> 43:45.280]  That's the conclusion.
[43:45.280 --> 43:46.280]  That's what the boss says.
[43:46.280 --> 43:47.280]  No, Randy.
[43:47.280 --> 43:48.280]  That's not what the law says.
[43:48.280 --> 43:51.320]  It's a corporate law made by corporate people acting in their corporate capacity.
[43:51.320 --> 43:52.320]  Yes.
[43:52.320 --> 43:53.320]  And for their own interests.
[43:53.320 --> 43:56.240]  Who needs to listen to them?
[43:56.240 --> 43:57.240]  We do.
[43:57.240 --> 43:58.240]  No, we don't.
[43:58.240 --> 43:59.240]  Why?
[43:59.240 --> 44:01.640]  Because we'll go to jail if we don't.
[44:01.640 --> 44:02.640]  That's just brute force.
[44:02.640 --> 44:06.040]  We authorized our legislature to pass these laws.
[44:06.040 --> 44:13.640]  Yeah, but our legislature is not this corporate entity that has an EIN number that's a corporation,
[44:13.640 --> 44:14.640]  Randy.
[44:14.640 --> 44:15.640]  Okay.
[44:15.640 --> 44:17.920]  The Constitution says that's what.
[44:17.920 --> 44:18.920]  Where?
[44:18.920 --> 44:19.920]  Wait, wait, wait.
[44:19.920 --> 44:20.920]  I didn't see what it said at all.
[44:20.920 --> 44:21.920]  We discussed before.
[44:21.920 --> 44:27.040]  When you read the statutes, what the legislature passed is fine.
[44:27.040 --> 44:32.960]  The way the courts allow it to be enforced and used, however, is completely different.
[44:32.960 --> 44:37.640]  What we're arguing here is two different horses of two different colors.
[44:37.640 --> 44:43.520]  The legislature enacts one thing, then the judges legislating from the bench enforce
[44:43.520 --> 44:48.000]  it in a manner entirely in egregious to what was passed.
[44:48.000 --> 44:49.000]  Okay.
[44:49.000 --> 44:50.000]  Now, wait a minute.
[44:50.000 --> 44:51.000]  Okay.
[44:51.000 --> 44:54.520]  Frankly, what I'm doing here is not taking a position at all.
[44:54.520 --> 44:58.120]  I'm only addressing the structure of the argument.
[44:58.120 --> 44:59.600]  Me too.
[44:59.600 --> 45:10.000]  The legislature passed legislation, and we're saying that because the state incorporated
[45:10.000 --> 45:17.400]  itself that the legislation that the legislators passed is no longer valid.
[45:17.400 --> 45:18.400]  No.
[45:18.400 --> 45:19.400]  I don't think that's what you're saying.
[45:19.400 --> 45:20.400]  No.
[45:20.400 --> 45:23.840]  What a Republican form of government if you have a corporation passing legislation.
[45:23.840 --> 45:26.280]  You've lost the Republican form of government.
[45:26.280 --> 45:27.280]  Where did we lose it?
[45:27.280 --> 45:28.280]  Well, we lost it.
[45:28.280 --> 45:32.960]  Well, since we allowed Walt Disney to govern us, that's a presumptive... What you stated
[45:32.960 --> 45:33.960]  is a presumption.
[45:33.960 --> 45:34.960]  No, Randy.
[45:34.960 --> 45:37.480]  Go back to what Eddie was saying earlier, okay?
[45:37.480 --> 45:39.640]  You have to go to the Constitution.
[45:39.640 --> 45:45.600]  It does not authorize in the Constitution anywhere for the government to incorporate
[45:45.600 --> 45:46.600]  itself.
[45:46.600 --> 45:53.160]  That means if they incorporate themselves, then it does not follow that that is a legitimate
[45:53.160 --> 45:55.120]  government under the Constitution.
[45:55.120 --> 45:57.920]  It's some other private entity.
[45:57.920 --> 45:59.680]  Here's your problem.
[45:59.680 --> 46:03.720]  The Constitution doesn't authorize anything.
[46:03.720 --> 46:05.960]  It's a restrictive document.
[46:05.960 --> 46:06.960]  That's right.
[46:06.960 --> 46:10.000]  It restricts the governments from doing certain things.
[46:10.000 --> 46:16.040]  No, it restricts the government from doing anything other than what is specifically laid
[46:16.040 --> 46:17.040]  out.
[46:17.040 --> 46:18.040]  No.
[46:18.040 --> 46:24.480]  The Constitution specifically tells the state governments what they cannot do.
[46:24.480 --> 46:28.120]  Anything not restricted by the Constitution is left to the state.
[46:28.120 --> 46:30.120]  I thought we were talking about the states, Randy.
[46:30.120 --> 46:31.120]  No, no, no, no.
[46:31.120 --> 46:32.120]  You got it exactly backwards.
[46:32.120 --> 46:36.120]  Now, either the Constitution is restrictive or permissive.
[46:36.120 --> 46:37.360]  Yeah, Randy.
[46:37.360 --> 46:43.280]  Only what the Constitution says they have the authority to do, are they allowed to do.
[46:43.280 --> 46:44.280]  That's it.
[46:44.280 --> 46:45.280]  That's the only authority that happens.
[46:45.280 --> 46:48.680]  That's exactly what the 18 enumerated powers in the Federal Constitution do.
[46:48.680 --> 46:50.720]  It says, this is what you can do.
[46:50.720 --> 46:51.720]  This is it.
[46:51.720 --> 46:56.160]  The Federal Constitution only applies to the federal government.
[46:56.160 --> 46:57.600]  I understand that.
[46:57.600 --> 47:02.560]  And the state constitutions are designed the same way, for the same intended purpose, to
[47:02.560 --> 47:06.840]  say, this is what we grant you authority to do.
[47:06.840 --> 47:12.080]  Anything not written here is a usurpation of power and authority you were not granted.
[47:12.080 --> 47:16.240]  Randy, you're the one that's always saying that they are only allowed to do what they
[47:16.240 --> 47:20.760]  are authorized to do, and they must do what they are required to do.
[47:20.760 --> 47:22.600]  And that with us, it's the opposite.
[47:22.600 --> 47:23.600]  We are sovereign.
[47:23.600 --> 47:26.720]  We can do anything we want to do, unless specifically prohibited to.
[47:26.720 --> 47:28.520]  You're the one that's always saying that.
[47:28.520 --> 47:29.520]  That's exactly right.
[47:29.520 --> 47:30.520]  That's...
[47:30.520 --> 47:31.520]  Hello?
[47:31.520 --> 47:32.520]  That hurt.
[47:32.520 --> 47:35.520]  It's really bad to get beat up with your own words, but yeah.
[47:35.520 --> 47:36.520]  Okay, okay.
[47:36.520 --> 47:37.520]  You go, Gary.
[47:37.520 --> 47:38.520]  Wait, hold on, Gary.
[47:38.520 --> 47:39.520]  Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[47:39.520 --> 47:40.520]  Gary wanted to say something.
[47:40.520 --> 47:41.520]  Who?
[47:41.520 --> 47:42.520]  I thought you wanted to say something, Greg.
[47:42.520 --> 47:43.520]  No, I said you go, Gary.
[47:43.520 --> 47:50.520]  Oh, okay.
[47:50.520 --> 47:53.520]  All right, cool.
[47:53.520 --> 47:54.520]  Okay.
[47:54.520 --> 47:59.960]  The federal government restricted the states in certain instances.
[47:59.960 --> 48:03.720]  What they didn't restrict them in, they left to the states themselves.
[48:03.720 --> 48:04.720]  Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[48:04.720 --> 48:05.720]  Wait, wait.
[48:05.720 --> 48:08.000]  Then the state constitution has its own authorization.
[48:08.000 --> 48:10.560]  Now it said the states and the people.
[48:10.560 --> 48:15.400]  That federal government, where is their authority for the federal government to restrict the
[48:15.400 --> 48:20.840]  states in any way, shape or form, other than those 18 enumerated powers?
[48:20.840 --> 48:21.840]  That's it.
[48:21.840 --> 48:22.840]  Exactly.
[48:22.840 --> 48:27.000]  And none of those, as you just stated, have a damn thing to do with the states.
[48:27.000 --> 48:29.200]  They have to do with the federal government.
[48:29.200 --> 48:35.240]  The restrictions placed there are on the federal government, not upon the states or the people
[48:35.240 --> 48:37.040]  of the states.
[48:37.040 --> 48:40.200]  Restrictions were extended to the states under the 14th Amendment.
[48:40.200 --> 48:46.500]  I, incorrect again, the 14th Amendment applies only to the freed slaves of the states.
[48:46.500 --> 48:51.040]  It has nothing to do with the people or the individual states themselves.
[48:51.040 --> 48:59.160]  Go tell your federal judges that, that the state doesn't have to pay any attention to
[48:59.160 --> 49:03.440]  the rights enumerated in the federal constitution.
[49:03.440 --> 49:08.520]  They're going to tell you that the states do have to follow the restrictions in the
[49:08.520 --> 49:09.520]  federal constitution.
[49:09.520 --> 49:14.160]  In the Bill of Rights, because the Bill of Rights is what was written to prevent the
[49:14.160 --> 49:16.820]  government from affecting the people directly.
[49:16.820 --> 49:21.000]  The Bill of Rights originally only applied to the federal government.
[49:21.000 --> 49:25.560]  It was the 14th Amendment that extended it to every state.
[49:25.560 --> 49:28.920]  No, Randy, that's a lie that they want us to believe.
[49:28.920 --> 49:35.960]  It only extended the rights to the freed slaves within the states as protected federal citizens.
[49:35.960 --> 49:39.440]  So we don't have, okay, now we're going to a whole different issue.
[49:39.440 --> 49:41.040]  Look, you're just playing with us now, Randy.
[49:41.040 --> 49:43.040]  Now we're going to Ralph Winneroot.
[49:43.040 --> 49:46.400]  No, it's a statement of historical fact.
[49:46.400 --> 49:48.000]  Look at why the 14th Amendment...
[49:48.000 --> 49:52.000]  No, we don't have, I'm not a freed slave, so I have no rights.
[49:52.000 --> 49:54.000]  What are you talking about, Randy?
[49:54.000 --> 50:00.520]  The 14th Amendment specifically enumerates a separate set of rights for the freed slaves.
[50:00.520 --> 50:03.120]  That's exactly what it does and why it was written.
[50:03.120 --> 50:08.640]  It also extended the equal protection of the laws to all citizens.
[50:08.640 --> 50:10.120]  Where does it say that?
[50:10.120 --> 50:15.720]  It says to United States citizens or citizens of the United States, which is what the freed
[50:15.720 --> 50:18.520]  slaves are, not us.
[50:18.520 --> 50:24.560]  Federal law refers to the people of the several states as foreign nationals.
[50:24.560 --> 50:30.360]  That is exactly how federal law addresses us, not as United States citizens or citizens
[50:30.360 --> 50:31.920]  of the United States.
[50:31.920 --> 50:34.960]  Okay, now we get so many issues.
[50:34.960 --> 50:38.920]  Now I'm going to Ralph Winneroot.
[50:38.920 --> 50:44.680]  So many issues that it's impossible to find a place.
[50:44.680 --> 50:45.840]  Exactly.
[50:45.840 --> 50:49.760]  Welcome to the quagmire they've tried to place us in to fight our way out of.
[50:49.760 --> 50:55.720]  We don't live every day in this convoluted theoretical quagmire.
[50:55.720 --> 50:56.720]  It's not theoretical, Randy.
[50:56.720 --> 50:58.520]  This is what they're doing.
[50:58.520 --> 51:01.080]  They will put your behind in jail.
[51:01.080 --> 51:02.680]  Yeah, that's right.
[51:02.680 --> 51:08.720]  It's like those laws actually apply to you, whether you believe they do or not.
[51:08.720 --> 51:15.080]  So we can sit here and say, we are not United States citizens, none of that applies to us
[51:15.080 --> 51:16.080]  and they will...
[51:16.080 --> 51:17.840]  Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, Randy.
[51:17.840 --> 51:21.000]  Now you're going to a different issue, okay?
[51:21.000 --> 51:23.040]  You're the one going to a different issue now.
[51:23.040 --> 51:26.800]  This isn't about citizenship or anything like that.
[51:26.800 --> 51:31.640]  I mean, if somebody kills somebody, it doesn't matter whether they're a US citizen or state
[51:31.640 --> 51:36.160]  citizen or from another country, you're still subject to prosecution for murder.
[51:36.160 --> 51:37.160]  Okay?
[51:37.160 --> 51:38.160]  So that's a non-issue.
[51:38.160 --> 51:39.160]  That is not...
[51:39.160 --> 51:40.800]  That's not the point.
[51:40.800 --> 51:47.080]  The point is that the government cannot do anything other than what we authorize it to
[51:47.080 --> 51:48.080]  do, period.
[51:48.080 --> 51:50.400]  Yeah, but here we get...
[51:50.400 --> 51:56.120]  We're talking about the federal government and the bill of rights, and now you're saying
[51:56.120 --> 51:59.160]  none of that applies to us because we're not freed slaves.
[51:59.160 --> 52:00.160]  No.
[52:00.160 --> 52:01.920]  No, that's not what they're saying, Randy.
[52:01.920 --> 52:07.560]  I said the rights are enumerated within the 14th Amendment only.
[52:07.560 --> 52:13.120]  The first 10 amendments were originally designed for the people of the states to be protected
[52:13.120 --> 52:18.120]  from the federal government in violation of those first 10 amendments.
[52:18.120 --> 52:24.440]  The 14th Amendment was specifically designed to make those same rights stated within that
[52:24.440 --> 52:30.560]  amendment applicable to the freed slaves to protect them from the abuse the states were
[52:30.560 --> 52:35.040]  injecting upon them by not allowing them to act a part of a freed slave.
[52:35.040 --> 52:44.320]  Okay, and the courts have adjudicated the 14th Amendment to mean that the rights enumerated
[52:44.320 --> 52:52.080]  in the bill of rights extend to all people of all states.
[52:52.080 --> 52:54.760]  That's what the courts have adjudicated it to mean.
[52:54.760 --> 52:59.120]  They have not adjudicated it to mean only freed slaves.
[52:59.120 --> 53:06.800]  No, okay, exactly, but you just said the entire bill of rights, not just the 14th Amendment,
[53:06.800 --> 53:09.920]  and I completely agree with that statement.
[53:09.920 --> 53:17.360]  The first 10 amendments do apply to every citizen of the states, always has, but it
[53:17.360 --> 53:18.360]  applies...
[53:18.360 --> 53:19.360]  No, they haven't.
[53:19.360 --> 53:20.360]  Yes, it does.
[53:20.360 --> 53:25.920]  It applies to the interference with those rights by the federal government, okay?
[53:25.920 --> 53:28.720]  By the federal government.
[53:28.720 --> 53:32.680]  Then you have the bill of rights within the state constitution that limits the state's
[53:32.680 --> 53:36.720]  authority to violate the same type of rights.
[53:36.720 --> 53:41.320]  But the first 10 amendments were to protect the people of the states from encroachment
[53:41.320 --> 53:43.760]  upon their rights by the federal government.
[53:43.760 --> 53:46.240]  That's what the applicability is.
[53:46.240 --> 53:56.240]  But what the 14th Amendment did was shackle the states and restricted the states in that
[53:56.240 --> 54:05.440]  they could not restrict a right guaranteed by the federal constitution.
[54:05.440 --> 54:08.400]  Before the 14th Amendment, they could have their own rights.
[54:08.400 --> 54:10.960]  Okay, now, explain something to me.
[54:10.960 --> 54:18.880]  Show me anywhere except the 14th Amendment that guarantees or grants a right.
[54:18.880 --> 54:23.440]  All the first 10 amendments do is enumerate the rights that it says the Creator gave to
[54:23.440 --> 54:24.440]  us.
[54:24.440 --> 54:25.440]  No, no, no.
[54:25.440 --> 54:28.200]  They protect enumerated rights.
[54:28.200 --> 54:29.440]  They don't grant them.
[54:29.440 --> 54:30.440]  It protects them.
[54:30.440 --> 54:32.480]  Again, you're setting a limitation.
[54:32.480 --> 54:34.600]  Our rights are not enumerated.
[54:34.600 --> 54:35.600]  Never have been.
[54:35.600 --> 54:36.600]  I'm not saying that.
[54:36.600 --> 54:37.600]  The 14th Amendment...
[54:37.600 --> 54:38.600]  I didn't...
[54:38.600 --> 54:39.600] ...enumerates a right.
[54:39.600 --> 54:43.040]  You misrepresented what I said.
[54:43.040 --> 54:44.660]  It doesn't grant rights.
[54:44.660 --> 54:48.160]  It protects certain enumerated rights.
[54:48.160 --> 54:49.160]  Of?
[54:49.160 --> 54:50.160]  Speech.
[54:50.160 --> 54:51.160]  No, no, no.
[54:51.160 --> 54:52.160]  There are...
[54:52.160 --> 54:53.160]  Of who?
[54:53.160 --> 54:54.160]  Of who?
[54:54.160 --> 54:57.160]  Of the people of the United States.
[54:57.160 --> 54:58.160]  There you go.
[54:58.160 --> 54:59.160]  Stop.
[54:59.160 --> 55:00.160]  Right there.
[55:00.160 --> 55:07.800]  The 14th Amendment extended those rights to the states generally so that the states
[55:07.800 --> 55:15.520]  themselves no longer have the sovereign power to violate one of the federal rights.
[55:15.520 --> 55:20.720]  Who are citizens of the United States, Randy?
[55:20.720 --> 55:22.880]  What is the definition of citizen of the United States?
[55:22.880 --> 55:25.400]  I'm not talking about some theoretical crapola.
[55:25.400 --> 55:26.400]  It's not theoretical.
[55:26.400 --> 55:29.400]  I'm talking about what's going on on the ground.
[55:29.400 --> 55:31.480]  That's what we're talking about too, Randy.
[55:31.480 --> 55:36.520]  The United States citizen is defined in the federal law that you're referring to.
[55:36.520 --> 55:40.680]  As I understand, we're dual citizens.
[55:40.680 --> 55:42.760]  How are we dual citizens?
[55:42.760 --> 55:44.560]  You have a Social Security card?
[55:44.560 --> 55:45.560]  No, I don't.
[55:45.560 --> 55:47.960]  Then you may not be.
[55:47.960 --> 55:50.280]  I do.
[55:50.280 --> 55:55.480]  I am a citizen of the United States and a citizen of Texas.
[55:55.480 --> 55:58.880]  Then you're acting under one set of rights and one set of privileges.
[55:58.880 --> 55:59.880]  I'm under...
[55:59.880 --> 56:02.400]  Acting under two, essentially.
[56:02.400 --> 56:05.520]  One set of rights in Texas.
[56:05.520 --> 56:06.520]  Okay.
[56:06.520 --> 56:07.520]  Wait a minute.
[56:07.520 --> 56:08.520]  Wait a minute.
[56:08.520 --> 56:09.520]  A set of rights from the federal government.
[56:09.520 --> 56:10.520]  Okay.
[56:10.520 --> 56:11.520]  Wait a minute.
[56:11.520 --> 56:12.520]  Wait a minute.
[56:12.520 --> 56:13.520]  That doesn't matter.
[56:13.520 --> 56:14.520]  We're getting a little bit off the topic here.
[56:14.520 --> 56:15.960]  We're supposed to be talking about the Admiralty.
[56:15.960 --> 56:16.960]  Yes.
[56:16.960 --> 56:21.200]  It doesn't matter if you're a citizen of the United States or not.
[56:21.200 --> 56:25.400]  It doesn't matter if you're a citizen of the state of Texas or not.
[56:25.400 --> 56:28.520]  The rights apply.
[56:28.520 --> 56:34.520]  If you're an illegal from Mexico, the rights apply.
[56:34.520 --> 56:37.600]  But Randy, they'll put you in jail for asserting your rights.
[56:37.600 --> 56:42.280]  They will come to you and use those laws to send you to jail and throw you in prison.
[56:42.280 --> 56:43.280]  So?
[56:43.280 --> 56:46.800]  Well, that's the same argument that we were dealing with a minute ago.
[56:46.800 --> 56:48.160]  You presented it.
[56:48.160 --> 56:52.800]  What we're saying, basically up front, is that they're going to do what they want to
[56:52.800 --> 56:58.640]  do irregardless because they're using an authority they don't have to begin with.
[56:58.640 --> 56:59.640]  Okay.
[56:59.640 --> 57:04.920]  As I read the case law, everyone within the boundaries of the state is protected by not
[57:04.920 --> 57:10.160]  only the federal constitution but the state constitution, whether he's a citizen or not.
[57:10.160 --> 57:16.600]  Citizenship is not relative.
[57:16.600 --> 57:20.040]  You can't just do anything to a person because he's not a citizen.
[57:20.040 --> 57:25.920]  Now what Greg brought up, I believe earlier, or Mike did, was who is deciding the case
[57:25.920 --> 57:27.920]  law that you're referencing?
[57:27.920 --> 57:34.120]  The ones to whom the benefit applies to keep us under that jurisdiction.
[57:34.120 --> 57:37.200]  That's a philosophical argument and I understand it and I agree with it.
[57:37.200 --> 57:38.200]  That's true.
[57:38.200 --> 57:39.200]  That's a true argument.
[57:39.200 --> 57:40.200]  No, it's not philosophical.
[57:40.200 --> 57:41.200]  It doesn't matter if it's true or not.
[57:41.200 --> 57:42.200]  It's not philosophical.
[57:42.200 --> 57:45.200]  We have a right to know.
[57:45.200 --> 57:48.680]  No, this is common law.
[57:48.680 --> 57:49.680]  That's the common law.
[57:49.680 --> 57:51.760]  All these guys want to go to common law?
[57:51.760 --> 57:52.760]  That's common law.
[57:52.760 --> 57:53.760]  Judges.
[57:53.760 --> 57:54.760]  Okay.
[57:54.760 --> 58:01.840]  Also, show me anywhere, anywhere the state constitution allows case law to be the law
[58:01.840 --> 58:08.000]  of the land, when in fact it is supposed to be the legislator's job to make law and the
[58:08.000 --> 58:13.680]  judicial job to maintain the law in accordance with the constitution.
[58:13.680 --> 58:15.920]  That's an errant distortion.
[58:15.920 --> 58:16.920]  Case law is not law.
[58:16.920 --> 58:17.920]  Okay, listen.
[58:17.920 --> 58:18.920]  It clearly defines law.
[58:18.920 --> 58:19.920]  That's right.
[58:19.920 --> 58:20.920]  It defines law.
[58:20.920 --> 58:21.920]  Okay, wait.
[58:21.920 --> 58:22.920]  I'm trying to reference it.
[58:22.920 --> 58:28.040]  Guys, listen, listen, we're going to break now and I want to bring the agenda 21 guys
[58:28.040 --> 58:31.400]  back into the conversation some, too, since they're hanging way past.
[58:31.400 --> 58:32.880]  I want to beat them up.
[58:32.880 --> 58:35.400]  Okay, well, you're not doing a very good job.
[58:35.400 --> 58:36.960]  I feel abusive now.
[58:36.960 --> 58:37.960]  Come on, guys, get in.
[58:37.960 --> 58:38.960]  Okay.
[58:38.960 --> 58:39.960]  That's all right.
[58:39.960 --> 58:40.960]  Go ahead and harm me.
[58:40.960 --> 58:41.960]  I'll just lean you.
[58:41.960 --> 58:42.960]  All right, good.
[58:42.960 --> 58:43.960]  All right, we'll be right back.
[58:43.960 --> 58:44.960]  Callers, we see you on the line.
[58:44.960 --> 58:48.920]  As soon as we're done with the debate, we'll start taking calls.
[58:48.920 --> 58:52.640]  All right, we'll be back in just about two minutes.
[58:52.640 --> 58:53.640]  Okay.
[58:53.640 --> 58:54.640]  Thanks.
[58:54.640 --> 58:55.640]  Okay.
[58:55.640 --> 58:56.640]  Bye.
[58:56.640 --> 58:57.640]  Bye.
[58:57.640 --> 58:58.640]  Bye.
[58:58.640 --> 59:26.640]  All right, guys, we're going to break now and I want to bring the agenda 21 guys back
[59:26.640 --> 59:33.640]  into the conversation some, too, since they're hanging way past.
[59:33.640 --> 59:36.640]  Okay, well, you're not doing a very good job.
[59:36.640 --> 59:37.640]  Come on, guys, get in.
[59:37.640 --> 59:38.640]  All right, we'll be right back.
[59:38.640 --> 59:39.640]  Okay.
[59:39.640 --> 59:40.640]  Bye.
[59:40.640 --> 59:41.640]  Bye.
[59:41.640 --> 59:42.640]  Bye.
[59:42.640 --> 59:43.640]  Bye.
[59:43.640 --> 59:44.640]  Bye.
[59:44.640 --> 59:45.640]  Bye.
[59:45.640 --> 59:46.640]  Bye.
[59:46.640 --> 59:47.640]  Bye.
[59:47.640 --> 59:48.640]  Bye.
[59:48.640 --> 59:49.640]  Bye.
[59:49.640 --> 59:50.640]  Bye.
[59:50.640 --> 59:51.640]  Bye.
[59:51.640 --> 59:52.640]  Bye.
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[59:54.640 --> 59:59.640]  Bye.
[01:00:24.640 --> 01:00:35.160]  Okay.
[01:00:35.160 --> 01:00:36.160]  We are back.
[01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:40.640]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, we got the agenda 21 boys hanging
[01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:43.520]  on the line, staying after their show.
[01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:45.600]  Okay, so they're going to have to go pretty soon.
[01:00:45.600 --> 01:00:52.840]  So why don't Don, Greg, Mike, why don't you all weigh in here before you all have to skedaddle?
[01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.360]  One thing before they start, since they've stayed overtime, we're not going to pay them
[01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:58.680]  the standard overtime.
[01:00:58.680 --> 01:00:59.680]  We're going to pay them double.
[01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:00.680]  Okay.
[01:01:00.680 --> 01:01:01.680]  All right.
[01:01:01.680 --> 01:01:02.680]  Okay.
[01:01:02.680 --> 01:01:03.680]  So go ahead, guys.
[01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:04.680]  All right.
[01:01:04.680 --> 01:01:06.100]  Let me read this Title 18.
[01:01:06.100 --> 01:01:10.160]  This is actually out of the document that Mike was talking about, Title 18, Chapter
[01:01:10.160 --> 01:01:11.160]  1, Section 7.
[01:01:11.160 --> 01:01:18.000]  It says, the term special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States as used
[01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:23.720]  in this title includes one, the high seas, any other waters within the Admiralty and
[01:01:23.720 --> 01:01:28.520]  maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular
[01:01:28.520 --> 01:01:36.440]  state and any vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States or any citizen
[01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:37.520]  thereof.
[01:01:37.520 --> 01:01:41.680]  Any vessel, it says, belonging to a citizen.
[01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:42.680]  That's pretty clear.
[01:01:42.680 --> 01:01:45.720]  The definition of vessel though, would you have it?
[01:01:45.720 --> 01:01:47.440]  You know, vessel in here?
[01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:48.440]  Yeah.
[01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.120]  The vessel in this context.
[01:01:50.120 --> 01:01:54.120]  The vessel in this context, now, I'm going to tell you exactly the way these documents
[01:01:54.120 --> 01:01:56.800]  are filed, how it sets that definition up.
[01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:01.200]  And by the way, you file that definition, the definition of vessel is filed, if I'm
[01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:07.160]  not mistaken, in public record and it's not rebutted in any way.
[01:02:07.160 --> 01:02:16.240]  But on the UCC-1, you have made it very clear on there that the all capital names is a vessel
[01:02:16.240 --> 01:02:18.280]  in the, on the UCC-1.
[01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:19.600]  And it's unrebutted perception.
[01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:20.600]  Okay.
[01:02:20.600 --> 01:02:23.120]  Well, let me get this statute again.
[01:02:23.120 --> 01:02:29.800]  You know one thing yourself, if unrebutted perception like that is not rebutted, then
[01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:30.800]  it stands.
[01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.600]  They use it every day against us.
[01:02:32.600 --> 01:02:37.440]  Well, now see, that sounds to me like if it's a vessel, then you can invoke maritime.
[01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:38.440]  Absolutely.
[01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.120]  That sounds pretty clear now.
[01:02:40.120 --> 01:02:42.520]  What is a vessel?
[01:02:42.520 --> 01:02:48.480]  I have a vessel here that's filled with very ice cold beer.
[01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:50.200]  That's right.
[01:02:50.200 --> 01:02:55.680]  We define what vessel is and file it in public record and no one rebutts it.
[01:02:55.680 --> 01:03:00.640]  And you use that in the case to define if it ever needs to be defined.
[01:03:00.640 --> 01:03:04.920]  It never was, it never did come into that case, at least in Tim's case.
[01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:11.640]  Like I said before, they never argued the maritime claim.
[01:03:11.640 --> 01:03:15.560]  And that goes to waiver.
[01:03:15.560 --> 01:03:16.560]  If they don't.
[01:03:16.560 --> 01:03:17.560]  Right.
[01:03:17.560 --> 01:03:18.560]  Absolutely.
[01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:19.560]  They can't.
[01:03:19.560 --> 01:03:20.560]  They can't waive their right if they don't rebut it.
[01:03:20.560 --> 01:03:25.200]  We take that waiver of rights and turn it on its head and use it against them.
[01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:27.800]  That's the part I really liked about this.
[01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.680]  That is exactly what they do to us every day.
[01:03:30.680 --> 01:03:31.680]  Exactly.
[01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:32.680]  Exactly.
[01:03:32.680 --> 01:03:38.440]  If we do not rebut what they're saying a presumption is in court, then they pass judgment against
[01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:39.440]  us.
[01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:40.440]  Okay.
[01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.440]  It says 18 USC 7.
[01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:49.960]  It says the crimes and criminal procedure, part one, crimes, chapter one, section seven.
[01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:50.960]  Okay.
[01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:56.720]  Chapter one, that would be designated 18 USC 7, that wouldn't it?
[01:03:56.720 --> 01:03:57.720]  I think it.
[01:03:57.720 --> 01:03:58.720]  Chapter one is the criminal.
[01:03:58.720 --> 01:03:59.720]  18, section seven.
[01:03:59.720 --> 01:04:00.720]  Yeah.
[01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:01.720]  Okay.
[01:04:01.720 --> 01:04:07.600]  I want to read that and pull down the annotations.
[01:04:07.600 --> 01:04:10.400]  Okay.
[01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:18.760]  So it included a vessel belonging to a US citizen.
[01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:27.840]  And I'm going to bet that if we go to definition of vessel in this context, it's going to be
[01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:38.320]  a ship or medium of transport in excess of 10 metric tons.
[01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:47.600]  Because that goes back to the original standard when maritime was moved from the high seas
[01:04:47.600 --> 01:04:56.120]  to the navigable waters within the ebb and flow of the tide.
[01:04:56.120 --> 01:05:05.000]  Navigable waters within the ebb and flow of the tides capable of navigation by vessels
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:10.320]  in excess of 10 metric tons fell under maritime.
[01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:20.280]  And then when the Erie Canal was opened, the maritime was included to, was extended to
[01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.320]  include the Great Lakes.
[01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:31.160]  And then after that, the maritime was extended to include navigable waters beyond the ebb
[01:05:31.160 --> 01:05:32.860]  and flow of the tide.
[01:05:32.860 --> 01:05:43.240]  But back before that, there was this 10 metric ton capacity and I'll do the research on it,
[01:05:43.240 --> 01:05:52.080]  but I suspect the vessel is going to go to that 10 metric ton capacity capable of transport
[01:05:52.080 --> 01:05:53.080]  on the navigable waters.
[01:05:53.080 --> 01:05:56.560]  Does it define vessel in that document, Greg?
[01:05:56.560 --> 01:05:59.080]  No, it doesn't.
[01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:02.200]  And as a matter of fact, they've got a problem then if they're going to argue that with me
[01:06:02.200 --> 01:06:08.040]  because I've already defined what vessel is in my documents and they haven't argued them.
[01:06:08.040 --> 01:06:14.480]  That's a good point and that's one I would very much like to brief out.
[01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:20.960]  So I can call a vessel anything I want it to as long as it's not rebutted.
[01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:21.960]  In the public record.
[01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:23.760]  In the public record.
[01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:24.760]  Highest form of evidence.
[01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:32.280]  Yeah, I looked at what Wendy was doing and that clearly appeared to be the case in that
[01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:39.680]  she made what these guys looked at it and said, these claims are just ludicrous.
[01:06:39.680 --> 01:06:40.840]  They're outrageous.
[01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.560]  We don't even need to pay any attention to this crapola.
[01:06:44.560 --> 01:06:45.560]  So they didn't.
[01:06:45.560 --> 01:06:46.560]  So they didn't.
[01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:52.040]  Now, if it had been written by me, I would have made it sound reasonable and rational
[01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:57.160]  and within the limits of law and they would have said holy crap and they would have jumped
[01:06:57.160 --> 01:06:59.360]  right in there and rebutted it.
[01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:01.160]  Well maybe just make it sound outrageous.
[01:07:01.160 --> 01:07:03.840]  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:09.640]  Because it sounded outrageous, they didn't bother and then all of a sudden they get the
[01:07:09.640 --> 01:07:10.640]  shaft.
[01:07:10.640 --> 01:07:11.640]  Okay.
[01:07:11.640 --> 01:07:12.640]  Exactly.
[01:07:12.640 --> 01:07:13.640]  Now you're getting it.
[01:07:13.640 --> 01:07:16.640]  21 days to perfection.
[01:07:16.640 --> 01:07:24.040]  There was just something very intuitively satisfying about that idea.
[01:07:24.040 --> 01:07:25.040]  Yeah.
[01:07:25.040 --> 01:07:26.040]  Okay.
[01:07:26.040 --> 01:07:30.040]  But now what about the fact that you guys are saying that the courts are already maritime?
[01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:31.040]  Admiralty.
[01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:32.040]  Admiralty.
[01:07:32.040 --> 01:07:34.080]  Same thing.
[01:07:34.080 --> 01:07:42.760]  Special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, U.S. 18 U.S.C. 7.
[01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.200]  And callers, we do see you on the line, so just hang tight.
[01:07:45.200 --> 01:07:47.920]  We'll be taking your calls in just a moment.
[01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:50.360]  We're busy having an argument here.
[01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:55.600]  The term special maritime, territorial jurisdiction of the United States is used in this title
[01:07:55.600 --> 01:08:01.200]  includes the high seas, any other waters within the Admiralty or maritime jurisdiction
[01:08:01.200 --> 01:08:06.440]  of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular state and any vessel belonging
[01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:13.680]  in whole or in part to the United States or any citizen thereof or to any corporation
[01:08:13.680 --> 01:08:19.000]  created by or under the laws of the United States or of any state, territory, district
[01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:26.400]  or possession thereof, when such vessel is within the Admiralty and maritime jurisdiction
[01:08:26.400 --> 01:08:31.640]  of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular state.
[01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.480]  You didn't read the whole thing, bubba.
[01:08:34.480 --> 01:08:36.520]  Absolutely I did.
[01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:37.560]  Okay.
[01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.680]  This part goes to 9-H.
[01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.640]  I thought they said that.
[01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:53.200]  It's not just the vessel, but the vessel, when such vessel is within the Admiralty or
[01:08:53.200 --> 01:09:00.760]  maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular
[01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:05.680]  state, that is definitive.
[01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.640]  Yeah, I'm still listening.
[01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:15.240]  So it has to be, the only way it gets outside the jurisdiction of any state is if it is
[01:09:15.240 --> 01:09:21.360]  within one league of the shore of any navigable water.
[01:09:21.360 --> 01:09:23.320]  I don't see that anywhere.
[01:09:23.320 --> 01:09:25.160]  That's in the case law.
[01:09:25.160 --> 01:09:30.760]  You know what, in case law, for those of you, Mike's smiling over there, you can stick that
[01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:31.760]  up your butt.
[01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:36.800]  I'll tell you what, case law got us baby-killing.
[01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.800]  I don't...
[01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:39.800]  You can have your case law.
[01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:40.800]  I use case law.
[01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:41.800]  That's where we live.
[01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:42.800]  What's that?
[01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:43.800]  That's where we live.
[01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:44.800]  No, no, no, no.
[01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:45.800]  That's where they live.
[01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:46.800]  Yeah, that's their own opinion.
[01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:52.800]  All in the world, case law is, is an opinion.
[01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:57.880]  Yeah, it's only an opinion, but it stands until it's rebutted.
[01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.840]  Well, I think they're rebutting it.
[01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:01.840]  You bet.
[01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:02.840]  That's not how you rebut it.
[01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:05.840]  You rebut it before the courts.
[01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:06.840]  They are.
[01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:07.840]  Okay.
[01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:09.840]  Here's one for you, Andy.
[01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:16.320]  In order to have a maritime or an admiralty claim, is what I call it, it's several different
[01:10:16.320 --> 01:10:23.760]  actions that are, that fall in that category, an action of forfeiture, rim, rest.
[01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:29.040]  When you bring that, you bring the owner of that, the forfeiture, the owner of the forfeiture...
[01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:30.040]  Wait, rest.
[01:10:30.040 --> 01:10:31.040]  You mean rest judicata?
[01:10:31.040 --> 01:10:32.040]  No.
[01:10:32.040 --> 01:10:33.560]  No, no, not that.
[01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.000]  In rim and in res.
[01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.000]  In rim and in res.
[01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:38.000]  All right.
[01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:41.520]  There's a person that owns the, the, whatever, whatever you're talking about.
[01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:46.840]  In rim used to be specifically maritime, but it's not anymore.
[01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:47.840]  Right.
[01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:48.840]  That changed in 1966.
[01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:49.840]  Okay.
[01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.280]  So you're on the same page.
[01:10:52.280 --> 01:10:57.520]  Insurance used to be, insurance IRS used to be exclusively maritime.
[01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:58.520]  That changed in 1966.
[01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:00.720]  That's not the case anymore.
[01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:01.720]  Okay.
[01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:02.720]  Yeah.
[01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:03.720]  Insurance used to be voluntary.
[01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:07.160]  Now they're becoming compelled under what jurisdiction?
[01:11:07.160 --> 01:11:08.160]  Not so.
[01:11:08.160 --> 01:11:09.160]  Really?
[01:11:09.160 --> 01:11:10.160]  They only have appearance of compulsion.
[01:11:10.160 --> 01:11:15.400]  They tell you you have to have insurance on your automobile and that they'll penalize
[01:11:15.400 --> 01:11:16.400]  you if you don't?
[01:11:16.400 --> 01:11:17.400]  Absolutely.
[01:11:17.400 --> 01:11:24.000]  But you only have to have insurance on your automobile if you voluntarily participate
[01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:25.840]  in commerce.
[01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:26.840]  You're correct.
[01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:30.040]  But do they make the presumption that you are already in commerce?
[01:11:30.040 --> 01:11:31.040]  That's a separate issue.
[01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:32.480]  I'll give you another one.
[01:11:32.480 --> 01:11:34.640]  I don't know about your state in this state.
[01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:41.080]  They actually made it a law that you have to pay a garbage bill.
[01:11:41.080 --> 01:11:46.080]  And that even, even if you don't have, even if you're not producing garbage, you still
[01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:49.680]  have to pay the bill because you have address at the end.
[01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.280]  And to me, that's a civil, that's a contract.
[01:11:52.280 --> 01:11:59.000]  They have, they forced me into a contract that I never wanted and until that law is
[01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:04.400]  adjudicated before the court and declared unconstitutional, we have to abide by it.
[01:12:04.400 --> 01:12:10.660]  And that's a problem because the court, the jurisdictions know that they can pass a bogus
[01:12:10.660 --> 01:12:18.520]  law and enforce it until it's overturned like these camera, red light camera laws.
[01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:20.800]  They're unconstitutional on their face.
[01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:26.000]  The jurisdictions know they're unconstitutional on their face, but they know that before it
[01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:34.840]  can get to the federal court and get thrown out, they can collect a whole lot of money.
[01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.200]  It's the way it is.
[01:12:36.200 --> 01:12:37.200]  We have a trade-off.
[01:12:37.200 --> 01:12:41.880]  Well, that's what they're doing right now, Randy, they're taking this into court to get
[01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:42.880]  it thrown out.
[01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:43.880]  Yeah.
[01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:44.880]  Yeah.
[01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.600]  The Supreme court ruled that they can do that, by the way, these will get overturned.
[01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:53.800]  It won't, but I'll tell you what's going to happen in Jackson County.
[01:12:53.800 --> 01:13:08.280]  Well, I've been setting this up, see, you know, my wife ran for commissioner and she
[01:13:08.280 --> 01:13:10.040]  was getting the bill.
[01:13:10.040 --> 01:13:12.520]  We recycled, so we don't have any trash.
[01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.760]  She was getting the bill and I told her not to pay it and I told them that we're going
[01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:16.760]  to fight it.
[01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:21.320]  Well, because of her running, everybody wanted her to go ahead and pay it and not cause any
[01:13:21.320 --> 01:13:26.360]  trouble, so I had her to go down there and put it into my name and it's now in my name
[01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:32.240]  in all capital letters, which happens to not be me and I'm about to fight the fight.
[01:13:32.240 --> 01:13:36.600]  I'm going to use the maritime claim and I'm going to fight this fight that way.
[01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:42.400]  By the way, Randy, they have issued a hundred and four warrants for people not paying their
[01:13:42.400 --> 01:13:43.400]  garbage bill.
[01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:49.840]  We're hoping Greg has got one of them on his name.
[01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:54.200]  These are the kinds of things that always go on.
[01:13:54.200 --> 01:14:04.600]  There's always this push and pull, this tug to one side or another in law, always in that
[01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:07.120]  way and it always will be.
[01:14:07.120 --> 01:14:11.280]  Let me say one more thing about the garbage bill before we have to cut out of here.
[01:14:11.280 --> 01:14:15.880]  He's going to use the approach that he just spoke of and I'm really thinking of using
[01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.640]  a different approach on mine.
[01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.480]  I think I'm going to challenge the subject matter jurisdiction of the court because I
[01:14:21.480 --> 01:14:23.440]  have no contract with him.
[01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:27.760]  Yeah, and speaking of the push and pull, I mean, that's what Deborah was talking about
[01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:30.800]  when Judge Sodomizer gets up there in the Supreme Court.
[01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:39.040]  Oh, that's going to have us all bend over and take it up.
[01:14:39.040 --> 01:14:43.320]  Oh, shame on you.
[01:14:43.320 --> 01:14:45.840]  Oh, I love it.
[01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.840]  The truth hurts as everyone knows.
[01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:48.840]  She's a witch.
[01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:49.840]  I'll tell you.
[01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:51.320]  She's a real witch.
[01:14:51.320 --> 01:14:54.680]  I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw that corn we're going to want.
[01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:55.680]  No way.
[01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:56.680]  No way.
[01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.120]  That's why you can have court opinions.
[01:15:01.120 --> 01:15:13.040]  Yes, and somehow the law cannot address every issue, so we have to have a way of gaining
[01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:16.120]  some kind of consistency in law.
[01:15:16.120 --> 01:15:19.880]  You should take a look at that video on our website where I question that state Supreme
[01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:22.400]  Court justice.
[01:15:22.400 --> 01:15:26.320]  You know, they used to have a real good way of doing that, Randy.
[01:15:26.320 --> 01:15:29.160]  Tall trees, short rope.
[01:15:29.160 --> 01:15:33.920]  Colin Michael Bannerich, he knows how to tie something like 30 plus different kinds of
[01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.040]  knots and the hangman noose is one of them.
[01:15:36.040 --> 01:15:38.320]  Yeah, I know that one.
[01:15:38.320 --> 01:15:42.520]  That's all I need to know.
[01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:50.520]  Well, my take on this is that for the most part, human beings want to be good guys.
[01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.360]  I don't know about that.
[01:15:52.360 --> 01:15:53.360]  We have a...
[01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:54.360]  Some do.
[01:15:54.360 --> 01:15:55.360] ...instinct.
[01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:56.360]  Some do.
[01:15:56.360 --> 01:15:57.360]  I didn't say everyone.
[01:15:57.360 --> 01:15:59.760]  I said for the most part.
[01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:05.320]  There's a percentage of the population that are psychopaths, but for the most part, we
[01:16:05.320 --> 01:16:06.320]  want to be good guys.
[01:16:06.320 --> 01:16:11.720]  I don't know if you happen to believe in what the Bible teaches, we're born into sin.
[01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:13.160]  I think that says a lot.
[01:16:13.160 --> 01:16:14.720]  I don't believe that.
[01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:16.320]  I absolutely believe it.
[01:16:16.320 --> 01:16:17.320]  Absolutely.
[01:16:17.320 --> 01:16:18.400]  You know why?
[01:16:18.400 --> 01:16:22.040]  Because the first thing that a baby learns how to do is lie.
[01:16:22.040 --> 01:16:27.480]  That baby, once that baby realizes that she cries or he cries, that mama comes in, she
[01:16:27.480 --> 01:16:29.200]  won't be hungry or anything.
[01:16:29.200 --> 01:16:32.920]  She just wants company and she'll start crying.
[01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:39.440]  Wash Ho, the kimp that learned to talk, lied when the first thing he did was lie.
[01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:40.440]  Okay.
[01:16:40.440 --> 01:16:41.440]  Well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:43.880]  I really appreciate you all staying on.
[01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:44.880]  No problem.
[01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:45.880]  Yeah, thanks.
[01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:46.880]  Okay.
[01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:47.880]  All right.
[01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:48.880]  We will be right back.
[01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:49.880]  We're going to start going to your calls and we get back on the other side.
[01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:50.880]  This is the rule of law.
[01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:51.880]  Thanks for having us, Debra.
[01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:52.880]  All right, sure.
[01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:53.880]  Thanks, guys.
[01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:54.880]  It's been great fun.
[01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:55.880]  You bet.
[01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:56.880]  You too.
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[01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:31.760]  We were born before the wind, also younger than the sun, as a bonnie boat was one as
[01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:36.760]  we sailed into the mystique.
[01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:52.440]  Oh, I can now hear the sailors cry, smell the sea and feel the sky.
[01:18:52.440 --> 01:19:03.600]  Let your soul and spirit fly into the mystique.
[01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:15.200]  When that fall corn blows, I will be coming home.
[01:19:15.200 --> 01:19:22.200]  When the fall corn blows, I want to leave you alone.
[01:19:22.200 --> 01:19:32.200]  I don't have the fear that I want to rock your gypsy soul.
[01:19:32.200 --> 01:19:42.200]  Like way back in the days of old, how magnificently we will fold into the mystique.
[01:20:02.200 --> 01:20:03.960]  Okay, we are back.
[01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:11.520]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, not necessarily in that order.
[01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:17.640]  And we are going to be taking your calls in just a moment, but Eddie has something that
[01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.040]  he wants to address first.
[01:20:19.040 --> 01:20:20.680]  So go ahead, Eddie.
[01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:25.320]  Well, on your remedies in the law last night, I talked about something that Randy and I
[01:20:25.320 --> 01:20:32.240]  had discussed the day of, and it regards what in Texas or any other state for that matter
[01:20:32.240 --> 01:20:39.320]  is actually defined as a crime, because when they take you into traffic court here in Texas
[01:20:39.320 --> 01:20:44.800]  and many other states, not all but many, they are insisting that they are charging you criminally
[01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:48.760]  and they are prosecuting you criminally for the act.
[01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:54.760]  So Randy and I got into a discussion about what is a penal law.
[01:20:54.760 --> 01:21:00.360]  And basically the definition of that came out to be a penal law is any law that the
[01:21:00.360 --> 01:21:06.920]  state prosecutes in its own name for an offense against its own law.
[01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:12.160]  Is that about correct, Randy, on our understanding of what it was?
[01:21:12.160 --> 01:21:13.160]  Yes.
[01:21:13.160 --> 01:21:14.160]  Okay.
[01:21:14.160 --> 01:21:20.960]  Now, since they say that they are charging us criminally under a penal law, then we needed
[01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:27.360]  to find out what a crime actually consisted of and what it was determined to be.
[01:21:27.360 --> 01:21:32.520]  Well, I went through while I was talking to Randy and I searched all of the Texas codes
[01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:35.600]  except for the administrative code itself.
[01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:41.560]  And I could find only one code that gave the definition for crime.
[01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:51.160]  It is the Texas Government Code, Title II, Subtitle F, Chapter 71, Section 71.001, Subitem
[01:21:51.160 --> 01:21:53.080]  5.
[01:21:53.080 --> 01:22:00.720]  Crime means a misdemeanor punishable by confinement or a felony.
[01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:08.720]  Now, a traffic offense is a misdemeanor punishable by fine only, otherwise if it's punishable
[01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:14.940]  by confinement, the offense in the transportation code is one found within the penal code.
[01:22:14.940 --> 01:22:19.920]  But if it is a misdemeanor defined within the transportation code itself, it is punishable
[01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.840]  by fine only.
[01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:30.320]  Therefore, it cannot by this definition be prosecuted as a crime because it is not punishable
[01:22:30.320 --> 01:22:32.320]  by confinement.
[01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:40.480]  Therefore, that goes to a challenge of jurisdiction of a municipal court to hear any type of traffic
[01:22:40.480 --> 01:22:42.160]  ticket.
[01:22:42.160 --> 01:22:49.320]  Because in Texas, or any state, if it does not have criminal jurisdiction, it can only
[01:22:49.320 --> 01:22:50.320]  be civil.
[01:22:50.320 --> 01:22:54.320]  They're the only two that exist other than Admiralty.
[01:22:54.320 --> 01:23:00.520]  So civil jurisdiction is the only thing left that they've got, which would make sense considering
[01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:05.120]  that we're dealing with a commercial code in the form of the transportation code.
[01:23:05.120 --> 01:23:13.480]  Now, if it is a civil offense and it involves civil jurisdiction, that completely obliterates
[01:23:13.480 --> 01:23:19.920]  jurisdiction by a municipal court because in Texas, municipal courts have zero civil
[01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:22.320]  jurisdiction.
[01:23:22.320 --> 01:23:28.880]  That means that they can no longer stick their thumb in the money pie under the transportation
[01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:31.200]  code's offense section.
[01:23:31.200 --> 01:23:34.760]  They'd have to prosecute them, they'd have to enforce them, but they can't make a penny
[01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.120]  off of them.
[01:23:37.120 --> 01:23:39.480]  But actually, I misspoke.
[01:23:39.480 --> 01:23:41.800]  They can't prosecute them.
[01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:46.040]  They can only have their police officers confiscated to enforce them.
[01:23:46.040 --> 01:23:50.880]  But the case itself would have to be heard in either a JP court, which is county, or
[01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:57.800]  in a district court, which would be county and state, which would completely cut the
[01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:00.720]  county out of the loop on getting a dime.
[01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:09.200]  So if the municipality is enforcing these when they don't have subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:24:09.200 --> 01:24:14.160]  this would seem to be ripe for a QUITAM action.
[01:24:14.160 --> 01:24:21.080]  Yes, and it would also be a good ground for a countersuit on organized criminal activity
[01:24:21.080 --> 01:24:22.080]  and fraud.
[01:24:22.080 --> 01:24:29.320]  Yes, for those of you who don't know what QUITAM is, QUITAM is where you find that a
[01:24:29.320 --> 01:24:39.200]  governmental agency is misusing funds, and under QUITAM you can sue that agency to recover
[01:24:39.200 --> 01:24:41.960]  those misused funds.
[01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:52.040]  And whatever you recover, if the state does not participate in the action, the state
[01:24:52.040 --> 01:24:57.200]  can step in on a QUITAM action and take over the action and prosecute it themselves.
[01:24:57.200 --> 01:25:01.520]  If they do, you get, I believe it's 10 percent.
[01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:06.600]  If they don't and you prosecute it yourself, whatever funds you recover for the state,
[01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:11.200]  you keep 25 percent.
[01:25:11.200 --> 01:25:12.440]  That would be fun.
[01:25:12.440 --> 01:25:17.240]  Yes, considering it's in the billions of dollars in traffic fines every year.
[01:25:17.240 --> 01:25:23.240]  Yes, and I have three traffic tickets before the city of Austin.
[01:25:23.240 --> 01:25:25.640]  That would be a nice shot to take at them.
[01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:28.480]  Now, what kind of statute of limitations are we talking here?
[01:25:28.480 --> 01:25:31.600]  Because, you know, Jerry had a traffic ticket last year.
[01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:39.360]  It's as long as, okay, it's two years is the least, there's one year for false imprisonment.
[01:25:39.360 --> 01:25:42.880]  Fraud carries a statute of limitations of five years in the state of Texas.
[01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:43.880]  All righty then.
[01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:45.840]  From the date that the fraud is discovered.
[01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.800]  Oh, well then that's today.
[01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:56.480]  Yeah, so if we just discover that the city is enforcing a law over which it has no authority,
[01:25:56.480 --> 01:25:58.840]  then the clock starts today.
[01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:00.880]  All right.
[01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:04.880]  And I'm working on getting the civil suits put together now.
[01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:09.840]  I've got the criminal put together pretty well.
[01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:11.320]  Now I'm moving toward the civil.
[01:26:11.320 --> 01:26:19.160]  As a matter of fact, today I was writing a really juicy tort letter to the wife of the
[01:26:19.160 --> 01:26:27.160]  judge and the prosecutor and the police officer who filed a complaint against me.
[01:26:27.160 --> 01:26:28.960]  That's the most fun to sue.
[01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:33.800]  Oh, yeah, you get their wives involved, boy, they in a world of hurt the court could never
[01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:35.400]  interject upon them.
[01:26:35.400 --> 01:26:38.880]  It subjects them to the court of angry wife.
[01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:43.160]  All right, well, are you guys ready to take some calls?
[01:26:43.160 --> 01:26:44.160]  Absolutely.
[01:26:44.160 --> 01:26:46.280]  Okay, we've got a whole heap of first time callers.
[01:26:46.280 --> 01:26:48.920]  So we're going to go to the first time callers first.
[01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:49.920]  We've got Donna from Florida.
[01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:50.920]  She called in first.
[01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:51.920]  Donna, thanks for calling in.
[01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:52.920]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:53.920]  Oh, hi everybody.
[01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:54.920]  Hey, Randy.
[01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:56.840]  I'm so excited to be listening to you tonight.
[01:26:56.840 --> 01:26:59.840]  I've seen you all over the place.
[01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:07.880]  First off, I just want to make a quick comment and then see if somebody can answer it.
[01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:16.680]  I got a city municipal violation on my house and they're wanting to move it over to the
[01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:20.440]  county court and it's a state versus me.
[01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:27.560]  Well, I researched a whole lot and I was just stunned at what I found.
[01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:34.080]  I went to Dun and Brad Street and I typed in my city of where I'm at.
[01:27:34.080 --> 01:27:35.880]  You might not want me to give out the name of my city.
[01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:36.880]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:37.880]  You can if you want.
[01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:38.880]  It's up to you.
[01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:39.880]  Oh, okay.
[01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:46.560]  Well, it's city of Clearwater and I found that it's traded as on Dun and Brad Street.
[01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:51.920]  And then I typed in Clearwater Police Department and it's also on Dun and Brad Street, also
[01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:55.840]  traded as the city of Clearwater.
[01:27:55.840 --> 01:28:02.800]  Then I typed in county of Pinellas and that's also traded as the tax collector's office,
[01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:09.160]  also traded as the tax collector's name, also traded as the tax assessor's office.
[01:28:09.160 --> 01:28:12.880]  And then the state of Florida is also traded at.
[01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.120]  This is all insider trading.
[01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:17.160]  These guys aren't too subtle, are they?
[01:28:17.160 --> 01:28:19.640]  Wait, wait, insider trading.
[01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:28.680]  Okay, because listen, first off, I have a code enforcement officer who is going to be
[01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:34.280]  speaking against me in a county court and it's the state versus me.
[01:28:34.280 --> 01:28:39.600]  And from what I comprehend, the state, okay, it's obviously traded as so they've removed
[01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.440]  themselves out of my government.
[01:28:42.440 --> 01:28:43.440]  Wait a minute.
[01:28:43.440 --> 01:28:44.440]  What's traded?
[01:28:44.440 --> 01:28:46.080]  Are you talking about the bonds that are created?
[01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:47.080]  On Wall Street.
[01:28:47.080 --> 01:28:54.160]  No, no, that's maybe the stocks for the city or the county or whatever.
[01:28:54.160 --> 01:28:59.960]  But when they make a claim against you, you really got my attention here.
[01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:01.960]  Okay, listen, listen to this then.
[01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:08.360]  The library is even traded as, what does the library have to do with bonds?
[01:29:08.360 --> 01:29:12.680]  The librarian's name is traded as these are-
[01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:18.040]  It may be a corporation because it has to do business in that-
[01:29:18.040 --> 01:29:21.000]  They're not registered with the secretary of state.
[01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:25.280]  Yes, but it contracts for goods and services.
[01:29:25.280 --> 01:29:33.320]  Okay, what you will find is that virtually any public entity, the public library included,
[01:29:33.320 --> 01:29:40.000]  that collects a fine to be forwarded to the treasurer of the city or the state must do
[01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.480]  what you're talking about.
[01:29:42.480 --> 01:29:43.760]  That's why it's done.
[01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:45.160]  It's not right, but that's why it's done.
[01:29:45.160 --> 01:29:49.440]  But it goes even deeper than that though, it's much deeper than that.
[01:29:49.440 --> 01:29:54.680]  Because the trust has been inverted instead of us being the public beneficiaries, which
[01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:56.800]  we're supposed to be, right?
[01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:57.800]  Correct.
[01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:04.760]  The city officials who are supposed to be the real trustees are the ones that are the
[01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:05.760]  beneficiaries.
[01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:06.760]  How do they benefit?
[01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:07.760]  Do they collect money?
[01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:08.760]  How do they benefit?
[01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:13.120]  Let me tell you how they benefit because I went down and talked to my city auditor and
[01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:22.920]  my city- Now granted, government or the public trustees, the government officials, they're
[01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:26.440]  not supposed to own anything, they're not supposed to take anything from office.
[01:30:26.440 --> 01:30:27.600]  They can't own anything.
[01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:34.320]  Only living, breathing people can own anything and grant them anything, okay?
[01:30:34.320 --> 01:30:42.320]  Well, the city auditor told me that the people are putting $4,600 in his retirement fund
[01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:43.320]  every year.
[01:30:43.320 --> 01:30:48.760]  I don't see 4.6 cents going into my retirement fund.
[01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:49.760]  Okay?
[01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:54.560]  Is that in contract?
[01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:59.160]  The city- Oh, sure.
[01:30:59.160 --> 01:31:02.520]  You mentioned insider trading and really got my attention.
[01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.920]  Okay, listen, let me explain that.
[01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:12.960]  Okay, I have a code enforcement officer, a city code enforcement officer, going into
[01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:16.320]  court to testify against me.
[01:31:16.320 --> 01:31:21.080]  I am paying the prosecutor, I am paying the judge, I am paying the code enforcement officer.
[01:31:21.080 --> 01:31:29.520]  They are all traded as, there is no separation of powers and I'm paying the bailiff.
[01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:31.360]  I'm paying their armed enforcement there.
[01:31:31.360 --> 01:31:40.200]  Okay, what's being traded that these- They're offices, they're all traded as on Wall Street.
[01:31:40.200 --> 01:31:42.840]  These are all stocks, they're all mutual funds.
[01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.360]  Okay, where are the stocks?
[01:31:45.360 --> 01:31:46.600]  What I'm looking for?
[01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:47.600]  I found them.
[01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:50.040]  She said she just found them on Dun & Bradstreet.
[01:31:50.040 --> 01:31:52.040]  No, no, I'm looking for something more.
[01:31:52.040 --> 01:31:57.960]  I found on fidelity.com, let me just say this really quickly, out of 26 vendors, electric,
[01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:04.640]  water, all my credit card numbers, all of my insurances, homeowner's insurance, property
[01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:12.560]  insurance, car insurance, my mortgage, my car, everything, I have found them traded
[01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:16.360]  on Wall Street, on fidelity.com.
[01:32:16.360 --> 01:32:18.200]  I found everything.
[01:32:18.200 --> 01:32:21.320]  I found my social security number- Right, you register them with the state or
[01:32:21.320 --> 01:32:23.440]  with the city and they become their property.
[01:32:23.440 --> 01:32:24.680]  That was my point all along.
[01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:25.680]  Wait, wait, wait, traded.
[01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:27.680]  I found my social security number.
[01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:28.680]  Fidelity.com.
[01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:29.680]  Fidelity.com.
[01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:35.640]  You put in your social security number and you found a fund?
[01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:36.640]  Yes.
[01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:39.960]  I found- Okay, here's the problem with that.
[01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:40.960]  What?
[01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:48.760]  According to Paul from South Texas who was in that business for 30 something years, if
[01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:54.480]  you put in six numbers, it will pull up a fund.
[01:32:54.480 --> 01:32:57.920]  If you put in more numbers, it will ignore it.
[01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:03.840]  When you put in those six numbers into Fidelity, it merely pulls up a six number account from
[01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:05.120]  Fidelity.
[01:33:05.120 --> 01:33:08.600]  It does not necessarily have anything to do with your social security.
[01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:12.440]  Okay, well let's get back to the names of like what she's saying, the names of these
[01:33:12.440 --> 01:33:13.440]  offices.
[01:33:13.440 --> 01:33:15.360]  I don't think these are numbers that she's putting in.
[01:33:15.360 --> 01:33:19.400]  The thing I wanted to get to is insider trading.
[01:33:19.400 --> 01:33:21.760]  You really got my attention in that.
[01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:22.760]  Okay.
[01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:30.440]  You have a municipality here who sends out its code enforcement officer to write citations
[01:33:30.440 --> 01:33:37.640]  that create revenue for the city that increases its value in trading.
[01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:39.680]  They have a vested interest.
[01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:40.840]  Exactly.
[01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:43.800]  They all have a vested interest in that courtroom.
[01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:46.160]  Even the bailiff is getting dividends.
[01:33:46.160 --> 01:33:48.360]  Even the city, county.
[01:33:48.360 --> 01:33:54.240]  You guys ought to look up the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Workers.
[01:33:54.240 --> 01:33:59.320]  That's where a lot of this money, when people go in and pay fines, they're getting dividends
[01:33:59.320 --> 01:34:02.400]  and it's going into their retirement account.
[01:34:02.400 --> 01:34:03.800]  Let me ask a question now.
[01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:07.960]  You said before that this was for a violation of a city ordinance.
[01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:08.960]  Yes.
[01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:13.560]  Then how is it being removed to be adjudicated by the state to begin with?
[01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:14.560]  Exactly.
[01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:16.120]  See, and here's the thing.
[01:34:16.120 --> 01:34:18.320]  I really want people to know this.
[01:34:18.320 --> 01:34:23.280]  Now, the city is a corporation.
[01:34:23.280 --> 01:34:25.280]  The city is a corporation.
[01:34:25.280 --> 01:34:27.800]  General Motors is a corporation.
[01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:33.760]  What does General Motors have to do to apply for entry and admission onto a docket?
[01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:39.320]  They have to apply for... Yeah, they have to file suit, they have to apply for admission
[01:34:39.320 --> 01:34:40.320]  and entry.
[01:34:40.320 --> 01:34:46.760]  There's a form they have to fill out 10 days prior or they're not on the docket.
[01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.120]  And I've never seen the state apply for admission or entry.
[01:34:50.120 --> 01:34:53.800]  And here's my point, okay?
[01:34:53.800 --> 01:35:00.600]  When I go into court, who is the prosecutor, who is the prosecutor representing?
[01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:03.120]  Just saying in my scenario.
[01:35:03.120 --> 01:35:04.120]  You and the state.
[01:35:04.120 --> 01:35:08.520]  The prosecutor is representing me?
[01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:09.520]  Yes.
[01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:10.520]  Oh, great.
[01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:11.520]  Okay.
[01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:15.360]  There's probably a similar representation...
[01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:17.840]  I never read that.
[01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:19.840]  Just saying represents the state.
[01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:27.520]  It shall be the primary duty of the prosecuting attorney not to secure conviction, but to
[01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:29.920]  ensure that justice is served.
[01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:40.120]  And in Texas, you go to 2.03, the judge, prosecutor, defense counsel, and police shall so conduct
[01:35:40.120 --> 01:35:46.500]  themselves so as to ensure a fair trial for the accused and the state.
[01:35:46.500 --> 01:35:51.600]  That makes the prosecutor a representative both for you and the state.
[01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.840]  I don't see how that follows.
[01:35:53.840 --> 01:36:00.040]  He must ensure that both you and the state have equal justice.
[01:36:00.040 --> 01:36:01.040]  Okay.
[01:36:01.040 --> 01:36:06.120]  Well, here's the thing, the state is a piece of paper.
[01:36:06.120 --> 01:36:07.280]  I am the living... Okay.
[01:36:07.280 --> 01:36:09.160]  I am the living, breathing woman.
[01:36:09.160 --> 01:36:11.880]  My birth certificate is just a piece of paper.
[01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:12.880]  Okay?
[01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:18.360]  The state that's versus me is just a piece of paper.
[01:36:18.360 --> 01:36:24.320]  And from what I comprehend, if it's the state versus me, I want to cross-examine the state.
[01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:26.120]  I want that state sworn in.
[01:36:26.120 --> 01:36:32.640]  And from what I comprehend, if the prosecutor swears in or the judge on behalf of the state,
[01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:34.720]  that's a huge fraud upon the court.
[01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:35.720]  Okay.
[01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:36.720]  Here's how that works.
[01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:44.320]  The state does not make the allegation, it cannot.
[01:36:44.320 --> 01:36:49.680]  Some private individual citizen must make the allegation.
[01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:56.120]  If it's the code enforcement officer, when he makes the criminal allegation, he does
[01:36:56.120 --> 01:36:59.040]  not do it as a code enforcement officer.
[01:36:59.040 --> 01:37:02.440]  He does it in his capacity as a private citizen.
[01:37:02.440 --> 01:37:03.440]  Okay.
[01:37:03.440 --> 01:37:07.000]  Let me tell you this, Randy, just so you know.
[01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:08.000]  Okay.
[01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:12.480]  From what I comprehend, there's supposed to be an injured party in here somewhere.
[01:37:12.480 --> 01:37:17.080]  Is the code enforcement officer really portraying himself as an injured party?
[01:37:17.080 --> 01:37:18.080]  No.
[01:37:18.080 --> 01:37:19.080]  The state is the injured party.
[01:37:19.080 --> 01:37:25.240]  If it's the same in Texas, I mean in Florida as it is in Texas, in Texas there's a statute
[01:37:25.240 --> 01:37:30.840]  that says, if a penal statute of the state of Texas is violated, the state is the injured
[01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:33.000]  party.
[01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:39.000]  So what the state is maintaining is if you violate a law of the state, the state is injured
[01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.000]  as a matter of law.
[01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.520]  Then they have to show that they've been damaged.
[01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:44.800]  Now, here's the thing.
[01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:47.080]  I really want to put this out here.
[01:37:47.080 --> 01:37:48.080]  Okay.
[01:37:48.080 --> 01:37:52.720]  Now, the code enforcement officers, they even take anonymous phone calls.
[01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:57.360]  But what happened in my case was I guess they weren't getting enough phone calls, even anonymous
[01:37:57.360 --> 01:37:58.360]  phone calls.
[01:37:58.360 --> 01:38:03.640]  So what they did, 10 code enforcement officers left their headquarters without a summons
[01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:10.280]  or a complaint, and they did a sweep of 3,400 houses and found all kinds of violations.
[01:38:10.280 --> 01:38:20.360]  Now, I call that unjust enrichment, no cause, no warrant, no summons, no complaint, no nothing.
[01:38:20.360 --> 01:38:25.560]  And I think that's absolutely ridiculous to go in and enrich yourself and make it look
[01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:29.200]  like you, you know, make work, you know, to go find problems.
[01:38:29.200 --> 01:38:39.920]  Well, yeah, if you can show that the city benefits from fines assessed against the citizens,
[01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:42.920]  then that disqualifies the city on its face.
[01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:44.680]  Well, that's pretty obvious.
[01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:45.920]  And that goes to RICO.
[01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:48.160]  Here's another thing.
[01:38:48.160 --> 01:38:54.360]  When it's showing state versus me, my city is not getting the 40% of the 100% federal
[01:38:54.360 --> 01:38:59.560]  funding they get through the Highway Motor Safety Act.
[01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:06.240]  Wait a minute, 40% of the 100% federal funding?
[01:39:06.240 --> 01:39:09.200]  Right, from the Highway Safety Act.
[01:39:09.200 --> 01:39:15.520]  Okay, so Highway Safety Act in Florida, I mean, the federal, is this a federal program
[01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:17.720]  that supplies funds to the state?
[01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:18.720]  Yes.
[01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:28.960]  If the state violates any law in a, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:32.600]  What does this funding go to?
[01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:35.960]  It goes to the state and not the city.
[01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.560]  It doesn't go back into my political subdivision.
[01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:41.560]  It goes to the state.
[01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:47.240]  See, if it's a municipal code, it should be city versus me.
[01:39:47.240 --> 01:39:52.280]  But they've thrown it over to the state versus me, and that takes money out of my political
[01:39:52.280 --> 01:39:53.280]  subdivision.
[01:39:53.280 --> 01:40:00.000]  Well, this is an issue Eddie might be able to address because what he maintains is here
[01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:07.040]  in Texas that a municipality has no power to adjudicate in the name of state.
[01:40:07.040 --> 01:40:08.040]  Right.
[01:40:08.040 --> 01:40:09.680]  Will you address that?
[01:40:09.680 --> 01:40:14.920]  Yeah, Code of Criminal Procedure specifically states that an attorney for the state is the
[01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:18.460]  only one that can represent a state.
[01:40:18.460 --> 01:40:24.960]  The municipal courts say that a city attorney can prosecute any crime in a municipal court.
[01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:31.600]  However, he can only prosecute a criminal offense of a city ordinance, not of a state
[01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:38.460]  law, because that requires adjudication by and prosecution of the offense by an attorney
[01:40:38.460 --> 01:40:39.780]  for the state.
[01:40:39.780 --> 01:40:45.960]  The only ones that qualify for that title are the district attorney, the county attorney,
[01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:49.120]  and the attorney general under specific instances.
[01:40:49.120 --> 01:40:57.000]  No one else unless a pro tem attorney is named because and only because the district attorney
[01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:04.960]  or county attorney are unable, not unwilling, unable to fulfill their duties under the law.
[01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:05.960]  Okay.
[01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:10.440]  So it's the city attorney versus, it's the assistant city attorney who is the prosecutor
[01:41:10.440 --> 01:41:11.440]  on this case.
[01:41:11.440 --> 01:41:14.440]  But, hey, I really appreciate it.
[01:41:14.440 --> 01:41:17.920]  Can I tell everybody how to look up their own cities and everything on Dun & B?
[01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:18.920]  Sure.
[01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:19.920]  That'd be great.
[01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:20.920]  Okay.
[01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:28.640]  All you do is you go to D&B, that's D as in Delta, N as in November, B as in Bravo.com,
[01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:34.000]  and you'll see that main page, and across the upper right you'll see links.
[01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:41.520]  You click on the link that says small businesses, and get ready to get blown away.
[01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:48.760]  You want to put city of and then the name of your city, for county just put county of
[01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:54.240]  and then your county's name, and state of Texas or whatever state you're in.
[01:41:54.240 --> 01:42:01.360]  And I just, I keep finding things that it just, I can't believe all the different entities
[01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:08.200]  that I thought were government that are just contracting to the city, and they're not really,
[01:42:08.200 --> 01:42:09.200]  they're not the government at all.
[01:42:09.200 --> 01:42:14.080]  In fact, I went to the county or the city auditor's office, and I brought in a form
[01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:18.920]  W-9, and he filled it out, and he marked it as a corporation.
[01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:27.000]  So then I called the CFO of the city, and I said, how do you classify the city of Clearwater?
[01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:28.300]  And she said, oh, it's government.
[01:42:28.300 --> 01:42:31.320]  And I said, well, why did the auditor just mark corporations?
[01:42:31.320 --> 01:42:33.160]  She said, there's no place to put government.
[01:42:33.160 --> 01:42:35.360]  And I said, no, you're wrong.
[01:42:35.360 --> 01:42:39.000]  I said, there's the other box, he could have checked other, and wrote government right
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:40.880]  next to it.
[01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:48.680]  And there, and I looked up the EIN as well, and showing like $350 trillion, yeah, it's
[01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:49.680]  just-
[01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:54.640]  Well, yeah, and the thing that gets me about all of that is that the taxpayers are getting
[01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:55.640]  totally gypped here.
[01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.160]  You know, obviously, it's a private entity, it's a private corporation.
[01:42:59.160 --> 01:43:00.160]  Oh, yeah.
[01:43:00.160 --> 01:43:05.360]  And you know what, I asked the city auditor, I said, how am I a beneficiary?
[01:43:05.360 --> 01:43:10.160]  And he said, well, you walk on the sidewalks, you drive on the roads, you drink the water,
[01:43:10.160 --> 01:43:11.160]  and you use the-
[01:43:11.160 --> 01:43:12.160]  I thought we paid taxes for that.
[01:43:12.160 --> 01:43:13.160]  Exactly.
[01:43:13.160 --> 01:43:17.880]  And I said, well, rats walk on the sidewalk, rats, well, they won't even drink the fluoridate
[01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:18.880]  water here.
[01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:23.920]  They're smart, if only the rats would drink it, right?
[01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:25.640]  Rat plays in their water.
[01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:30.640]  And you know, I'm sure rats hitch a ride on the cars that are driving down the highway.
[01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:34.880]  And you know, and it's just crazy, but hey, it was great talking to everybody.
[01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:35.880]  All right.
[01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:36.880]  Thank you, Donna.
[01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:37.880]  I like your style.
[01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:38.880]  Oh, thank you.
[01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:39.880]  I like yours too.
[01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:40.880]  Have a good-
[01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:41.880]  Okay.
[01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:42.880]  Have a good night.
[01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:43.880]  Okay.
[01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:44.880]  We're going to break, and we're going to be taking more of your calls when we get back
[01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:45.880]  on the other side.
[01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:46.880]  All right.
[01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:47.880]  This is the rule of law.
[01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:53.240]  Callers 512-646-1984, we'll be taking more of your first-time calls right on the other
[01:43:53.240 --> 01:43:54.240]  side.
[01:43:54.240 --> 01:43:55.240]  We'll be right back.
[01:43:55.240 --> 01:43:56.240]  Thank you, Donna.
[01:43:56.240 --> 01:43:57.240]  It's been a pleasure.
[01:43:57.240 --> 01:43:58.240]  Thank you.
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[01:45:15.320 --> 01:45:26.840]  Some things in this world I will never understand. Some things I realize fully.
[01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:35.240]  Somebody's on a police, a policeman. Somebody's on a police, a bully.
[01:45:35.240 --> 01:45:44.080]  There's always a room at the top of the hill. I hear things of great mind and it's lonely
[01:45:44.080 --> 01:45:49.640]  love too. They're wishing me welcome on and I position the bills.
[01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:56.480]  Okay, we are back. The rule of law. Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, not
[01:45:56.480 --> 01:46:04.160]  necessarily in that order. We are taking your calls tonight, 512-646-1984. We're having
[01:46:04.160 --> 01:46:08.360]  a big night tonight. Okay, we're going to go now to John in Kentucky. We're going to
[01:46:08.360 --> 01:46:11.600]  go through all the first time callers first and then we'll get to the rest of the calls.
[01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:15.320]  Okay, John, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:46:15.320 --> 01:46:20.760]  Thank you, ma'am, for taking my call. One of the things is like you people talking about
[01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:26.680]  earlier about the Admiralty Law as well as the Maritime Law mentioned about jurisdiction.
[01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:33.440]  I have actual cases. I know a friend of mine and in fact that you guys can go to the website
[01:46:33.440 --> 01:46:44.040]  and check it out. What he did was that he was acting as a, what kind of defense he talking
[01:46:44.040 --> 01:46:49.280]  about that. What he did is he went over to the Home Depot and bought about a few buckets
[01:46:49.280 --> 01:46:56.840]  of this tar and tar the federal courthouse, okay? And the federal marshal came out and
[01:46:56.840 --> 01:47:02.760]  asked him, what are you doing? He said, call the police, okay? So finally the federal marshal
[01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:09.760]  apprehended him and then again, you know, put him in jail. They tried to put on trial
[01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:16.640]  and he did put in a motion and charged with jurisdiction as well as a couple other things.
[01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:22.440]  He basically stole the court. The court couldn't move forward. So basically finally that basically
[01:47:22.440 --> 01:47:27.760]  they couldn't try to put him in jail for about, I don't know how many months, about three
[01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:33.200]  to four months and then they brought him back to trial. And then again he asked the judge,
[01:47:33.200 --> 01:47:38.120]  he said that, are you an Article 3 judge? And the judge replied, yes, I'm an Article
[01:47:38.120 --> 01:47:42.400]  3 judge. He said, show me the proof that you're an Article 3 judge and the judge should tell
[01:47:42.400 --> 01:47:48.200]  him to go home, okay? So he went home. So about last year and so forth, what he did
[01:47:48.200 --> 01:47:56.120]  was under the economic downturn and he filed a suit against George Bush, Bernanke and so
[01:47:56.120 --> 01:48:01.760]  forth, which is, you can go to his website and see all his lawsuits anyway. And so that
[01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:07.200]  and on the day he had to file the motion, he went over to try to file the motion and
[01:48:07.200 --> 01:48:11.760]  believe it or not, the federal courthouse locked the door, wouldn't let him come in,
[01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:13.760]  okay? Have you ever heard about that?
[01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:15.760]  What's this gentleman's name?
[01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:17.760]  What's his name?
[01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:22.760]  Daniel Capo. You can Google that, you know, he had a website over there, okay?
[01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:24.760]  Give us out the website.
[01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:32.760]  I think it's called pro se litigants.org. Pro se, you know, with a hyphen in between.
[01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:36.760]  So you're saying that he invoked the admiralty law somehow?
[01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:45.760]  This is, yeah, he did. They tried to file an admiralty on him, okay? But the second
[01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:50.760]  time what he did is that because the federal locked the courthouse, he went over to find
[01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:56.760]  some bricks and break the federal courthouse windows, okay? He physically throw the bricks
[01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.760]  in the federal courthouse the second time, okay?
[01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:03.760]  So they apprehended again. They were trying to move, you know, to trial. He challenged
[01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:09.760]  the jurisdiction. They cannot answer the jurisdiction. He found that, you know, in Kentucky that
[01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:18.760]  the federal courthouse did not see it correctly. Kentucky state law or the jurisdiction belonged
[01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:20.760]  to the state of Kentucky.
[01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:27.760]  So the federal courthouse has not been ceded to the federal government. The property is
[01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:29.760]  still owned by the state.
[01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:34.760]  Right. So therefore he had that jurisdiction. He challenged it and so far the judge couldn't
[01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:41.760]  answer and he's gone home, okay? So he did challenge that, you know, like on jurisdiction
[01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:45.760]  on these two grounds and talking about that.
[01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:50.760]  Earlier that also there's a lady who talked about various different things and so forth.
[01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:58.760]  One of the websites over there is called techdl.org, T-A-K-E-D-L.org. One of the ladies talking
[01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:05.760]  about the co-enforcement over there that one of the case might help over there is the Supreme
[01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:12.760]  Court already ruled the co-enforcement officer require a search warrant to search private
[01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:15.760]  property, okay? That's the Supreme Court law. The other one...
[01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:19.760]  Yes, that's out of California. There's a whole set of law...
[01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:20.760]  Right.
[01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:30.760] ...that requires if a co-enforcement officer, even if the municipality has an ordinance
[01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:38.760]  authorizing the co-enforcement officer to enter without a warrant or if there's a requirement
[01:50:38.760 --> 01:50:45.760]  in order to secure a business license that you allow the co-enforcement officer to enter
[01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:54.760]  without a warrant. It's non-effective. If you deny him access, they can't enforce that
[01:50:54.760 --> 01:51:00.760]  provision. If you don't let him in voluntarily, he must have a warrant no matter what you
[01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:01.760]  sign.
[01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:08.760]  He must have a warrant on that. I believe that case goes to call Carmen versus something.
[01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:11.760]  It's on one of the websites is called techdl.org.
[01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:14.760]  Wait, now say that website again. Spell it.
[01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:15.760]  Techdl.org.
[01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:18.760]  T-A-K-E, techdl.org.
[01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:25.760]  I'm sorry, I missed the letters after take. T-A-K-E what?
[01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:26.760]  T-A-K-E.
[01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:27.760]  T-A-K-E.
[01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:28.760]  T-A-K-E.
[01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:29.760]  T-A-K-E.
[01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:31.760]  T-A-K-E.
[01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:32.760]  Okay.
[01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:35.760]  Bravo Lima. Cool, you must be a pilot. T-A-K-E.
[01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:36.760]  Okay.
[01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:40.760]  Randy, this is John from Kentucky, the gentleman I was telling you about earlier.
[01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:45.760]  Yes, I kind of figured he was. He has an Asian hillbilly accent.
[01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:52.760]  We're just kidding. Go ahead.
[01:51:52.760 --> 01:52:03.760]  Okay, so in that there's a lot of good stuff over there that I found under UCC Chapter 6, Section 201 and so forth.
[01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:10.760]  And there was a whole bunch of things over there you can go through that with videos and every single day.
[01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:16.760]  Okay, the guy you're talking about, is there a chance you can get him to call into the show?
[01:52:16.760 --> 01:52:19.760]  Which? Daniel?
[01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:20.760]  Daniel.
[01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:24.760]  I may be able to call him and so forth.
[01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:27.760]  He sounds like a hoot.
[01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:35.760]  Oh, right now is maybe next time I'm going to have him call in because he was serving in the Navy.
[01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:41.760]  And when he came out of the Navy as a military, he found that he's right being violated, okay?
[01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:46.760]  All his liberty had been taken away, okay? He was mad, okay?
[01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:50.760]  And he tried to talk to these people, none of these people willing to talk to him.
[01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:57.760]  And then again that's what was prompted the first time that he physically going to home people
[01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:01.760]  and purchased these cars and called the federal courthouse.
[01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:03.760]  In fact, he had pictures on his Web site.
[01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:05.760]  Did he put feathers too?
[01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:06.760]  Huh?
[01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:08.760]  Did he put feathers too?
[01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:09.760]  Say it again, I'm sorry?
[01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:11.760]  Did he put feathers also?
[01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:18.760]  No, you need to talk to Liz Taylor for that.
[01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:21.760]  I like this guy already.
[01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:28.760]  And second time, you know, he filed the lawsuit against George Bush and so forth
[01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:33.760]  because that the reason that he claimed that because these people mismanaged
[01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:41.760]  because he lost the money and value.
[01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:48.760]  That caused that and he sued the whole including Cheney and the whole nine yards.
[01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:54.760]  But anyway, the reason for that was that during that time, George Bush is still in power.
[01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:59.760]  And I don't think that any federal judge want to subpoena him to come to Kentucky to the court.
[01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:01.760]  So therefore, they don't want to listen to his case.
[01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:07.760]  So when he had to file the motion on that day and knowing that once he passed that day,
[01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:12.760]  he cannot file the motion, they locked the courthouse and wouldn't allow him to file a motion.
[01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:16.760]  Have you ever heard about a federal court locked the courthouses?
[01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:21.760]  That sounds like something that would be a lot of fun to adjudicate.
[01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:26.760]  So anyway, that was his thing.
[01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:30.760]  But on the other hand, my case is a little bit more interesting.
[01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:36.760]  I had similar cases like the lady who had a cold enforcement.
[01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:42.760]  Someone broke into my property, broke my window, and they want to put me in jail.
[01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:47.760]  One of the major problems is our government, our city government is so corrupted.
[01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:52.760]  Federal government gave back to the city 140 acres of land,
[01:54:52.760 --> 01:54:59.760]  and mayor, you know, he just happened to be a Jewish person, nothing against him or something like that.
[01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:03.760]  The city spent about I don't know how many million to remodel this thing,
[01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:12.760]  and he leased this 140 acres to a company who filed bankruptcy for $1 a year for 99 years.
[01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:16.760]  I'd like to get that kind of contract, but unfortunately didn't offer to me.
[01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:20.760]  Second part is that talking about conflict of interest,
[01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:27.760]  he also gave out $36 million to another company out of state
[01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:35.760]  and gave about $900,000 for this company to open a restaurant, remodel, whatever that might be,
[01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:39.760]  and as long as he stays in business for five years, the loan's forgiven.
[01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:43.760]  How come I couldn't get $900,000 to open my own restaurant, you know?
[01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:49.760]  And then again, he leased it to the whole entire block for $1 a year for 99 years,
[01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:55.760]  plus then he had two renewal terms, which one is 25 years per term.
[01:55:55.760 --> 01:56:01.760]  So the total is a 149-year lease, and on that lease stipulated, you know,
[01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:08.760]  like when the original contractor died, his children can assume that $1 deal, okay?
[01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:13.760]  The whole thing, you know, I mean, this is so corrupted and so forth.
[01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:16.760]  None of the city councilmen want to go forward with this.
[01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:21.760]  One of the Republican, I think that one of the Republican councilmen want to hire a private eye
[01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:25.760]  and to investigate this mayor, and all of a sudden,
[01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:31.760]  the mayor put him on the epic commission charge or something like that, you know,
[01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:33.760]  so they forced him to come out.
[01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:38.760]  But anyway, to make the long story short, I mean, someone broke into my house
[01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:43.760]  and they charged me and wanted to bring me, you know, fine me and put me in jail.
[01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:49.760]  During the trial, the government witnessed lie, and in fact, they stated in the trial
[01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:54.760]  that the U.S. Constitution as well as the Kentucky Times Constitution had no place in court.
[01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:59.760]  I asked for a direct verdict from the judge, and I was refused.
[01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:06.760]  Furthermore, I was ordered to go to trial in less than 15 hours, talking about due process, okay?
[01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:08.760]  I was not allowed to subpoena.
[01:57:08.760 --> 01:57:10.760]  I do have now time to do subpoena.
[01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:13.760]  I was not allowed to prepare my case.
[01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:18.760]  I was not allowed to do anything besides the prosecutor had done all these different things.
[01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.760]  How long ago was this?
[01:57:20.760 --> 01:57:22.760]  How long ago was this?
[01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:24.760]  It's about a year.
[01:57:24.760 --> 01:57:31.760]  Then again, I tried to appeal to the judicial, the court of appeal, the circuit court, and so forth.
[01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:35.760]  None of the judges want to pick my case, okay?
[01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:39.760]  They all, you know, dismiss the case.
[01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:45.760]  And interestingly, it's that because I have written about these judges had about,
[01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:51.760]  I think it's 140 or something in that violation, jury tampering and so forth,
[01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:57.760]  and also that the double standard, the prosecutor don't review the evidence.
[01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:03.760]  I request the evidence, and the judge ordered him to hand over the evidence.
[01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:05.760]  He was 63 days late.
[01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:08.760]  And then again, I said to the judge, you need to dismiss this case.
[01:58:08.760 --> 01:58:12.760]  He said that if you are an attorney, then I would dismiss this case.
[01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:16.760]  I'm talking about the discrimination against a pro se.
[01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:20.760]  Now, then again, right now, I file a federal...
[01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:22.760]  Yeah, wait, hold on, hold on, John.
[01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:23.760]  Hold on, John, we're going to break.
[01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:26.760]  Okay, we're at our mid-show break, 10 p.m.
[01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:28.760]  All right, we got some news coming up for you all.
[01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:30.760]  So just hang on tight.
[01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:36.760]  Callers, we're going to go to the first time callers first, all right, to give some deference here.
[01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:38.760]  And we appreciate you all hanging on the line.
[01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:40.760]  So callers, just hang on the line.
[01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:41.760]  We are going to take all your calls, all right?
[01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:47.760]  So we will be right back after this short break, news break, and an ad for Brave New Books.
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