ROL_2009-07-17_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:10.200]  In Iraq Friday, three US soldiers were killed at a base outside Basra.
[00:10.200 --> 00:15.300]  Two Iraqis were also killed in bombings in Baghdad as crowds of pilgrims gathered to
[00:15.300 --> 00:17.880]  commemorate a Shiite saint.
[00:17.880 --> 00:23.640]  The US Army in a report regarding eight homicides committed by six soldiers in 12 months found
[00:23.640 --> 00:29.000]  they had been involved in heavy combat and detailed the difficulties soldiers had getting
[00:29.000 --> 00:31.800]  treatment for psychological problems.
[00:31.800 --> 00:38.060]  A congressional subcommittee heard US military personnel at Guantanamo helped Chinese interrogators
[00:38.060 --> 00:43.160]  question members of Chinese Uyghur minority, including restraining them so they could be
[00:43.160 --> 00:50.120]  photographed against their will.
[00:50.120 --> 00:56.160]  Military censors cut off a military defense lawyer defending detainee Ramzi bin al-Sheb
[00:56.160 --> 00:59.240]  in a military tribunal at Guantanamo.
[00:59.240 --> 01:06.440]  Commander Suzanne Lachelier declared the government can't hide the fact they used sleep deprivation.
[01:06.440 --> 01:09.660]  At this point, military censors shut down her mic.
[01:09.660 --> 01:13.760]  The military has silenced defense lawyers several times in what would likely be the
[01:13.760 --> 01:19.520]  closest thing to a trial many detainees ever see, claiming they are protecting classified
[01:19.520 --> 01:20.960]  information.
[01:20.960 --> 01:27.240]  Captured in 2002, Sheb is accused of being a key al-Qaeda operative who played a role
[01:27.240 --> 01:32.360]  in the 9-11 attacks and the USS Cole bombing in 2000.
[01:32.360 --> 01:38.600]  Lawyers have argued Sheb was mentally unfit to stand trial owing to his treatment in custody.
[01:38.600 --> 01:43.240]  Guantanamo censors have a long history of heavy-handed information control.
[01:43.240 --> 01:52.200]  In 2008, the U.S. censored a drawing depicting force-feeding procedures at Guantanamo.
[01:52.200 --> 01:58.200]  An administration lawyer told a federal judge Wednesday Barack Obama is adamant about maintaining
[01:58.200 --> 02:03.480]  the secrecy of a wiretapping program authorized by George Bush.
[02:03.480 --> 02:07.920]  Justice Department attorney Anthony Coppolino said the administration will cite national
[02:07.920 --> 02:13.760]  security in seeking dismissal of a lawsuit by telephone customers accusing the government
[02:13.760 --> 02:18.840]  of illegally intercepting phone calls and obtaining phone company records.
[02:18.840 --> 02:26.280]  The suit is similar to claims filed against AT&T and other telecom firms in 2006.
[02:26.280 --> 02:31.440]  Following George Bush's acknowledgment, he authorized eavesdropping on Americans' communications
[02:31.440 --> 02:35.880]  with suspected foreign terrorists without court approval.
[02:35.880 --> 02:41.840]  Judge Vaughan Walker dismissed the suits earlier this year based on a 2008 law that shielded
[02:41.840 --> 02:44.320]  the companies from liability.
[02:44.320 --> 02:48.900]  That law did not prevent private citizens from suing the government.
[02:48.900 --> 02:54.560]  The current suit, filed by most of the same customers who sued AT&T, intercepted millions
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[04:40.400 --> 04:53.600]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you?
[04:53.600 --> 04:59.640]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig here with you, the hosts, Friday evenings
[04:59.640 --> 05:02.120]  on the Rule of Law.
[05:02.120 --> 05:10.560]  Tonight, our very special guest for the first two segments until 8.30 is none other than
[05:10.560 --> 05:13.560]  the Agenda 21 talk crew.
[05:13.560 --> 05:20.280]  We've got Mike Hussein-Halloway, Don, Trustee Terry and Greg Chapman.
[05:20.280 --> 05:23.560]  Hey guys, thanks for joining us this evening.
[05:23.560 --> 05:24.560]  Yeehaw.
[05:24.560 --> 05:33.880]  Okay, we are going to host part one of the Great Maritime Debate, as it were, discussing
[05:33.880 --> 05:38.240]  can we or can we not bring Admiralty Law into these situations.
[05:38.240 --> 05:41.680]  There is case law that shows you can bring it on the land.
[05:41.680 --> 05:44.160]  Randy says it's only in certain instances.
[05:44.160 --> 05:46.840]  We're going to find out what the deal really is.
[05:46.840 --> 05:52.280]  This is going to be part one of an at least two-part debate.
[05:52.280 --> 06:00.640]  So, Randy, go ahead and start off and present the case law that you're saying does not allow
[06:00.640 --> 06:01.640]  us to do this.
[06:01.640 --> 06:03.800]  And then these guys are going to rebut somewhat.
[06:03.800 --> 06:09.640]  Mainly, we're just going to frame the proper questions here in this part one, this first
[06:09.640 --> 06:10.640]  half hour.
[06:10.640 --> 06:11.640]  So go ahead, Randy.
[06:11.640 --> 06:17.640]  Okay, I was, I stopped, I did it finally after listening to this for a long time.
[06:17.640 --> 06:28.840]  I did about two hours of digging and on Admiralty Maritime.
[06:28.840 --> 06:36.200]  And frankly, what I found was not reassuring.
[06:36.200 --> 06:46.120]  It seemed very clear that the maritime is not premised on the vessel, as I hear a lot
[06:46.120 --> 06:48.480]  of these people saying.
[06:48.480 --> 06:51.560]  It's premised on the water.
[06:51.560 --> 06:58.720]  And if you're not on the water or if you're not leaving the water engaged in a continuing
[06:58.720 --> 07:05.680]  contract that originated on the water, you're not in maritime.
[07:05.680 --> 07:16.760]  Now there are too many people addressing maritime off the water for this to be definitive.
[07:16.760 --> 07:24.240]  My concern is, is I can't find anything that gets me off the water.
[07:24.240 --> 07:30.600]  Executive Jet Aviation v. City of Cleveland was one that was rather definitive.
[07:30.600 --> 07:36.240]  And I hear it addressed quite, I see it addressed in other cases.
[07:36.240 --> 07:44.040]  It's where a jet aircraft took off from an airport, picked up some birds in its intakes,
[07:44.040 --> 07:51.040]  shut down the engines, sat down in Lake Erie, sued under maritime.
[07:51.040 --> 07:56.880]  The court said the torrent occurred over land.
[07:56.880 --> 08:05.920]  The fact that it landed in Lake Erie was immaterial and was only incidental to the tort.
[08:05.920 --> 08:14.720]  Since the aircraft took off from a land-based facility and the tort occurred over land,
[08:14.720 --> 08:18.200]  maritime did not apply.
[08:18.200 --> 08:22.720]  Now how do we get maritime onto the land?
[08:22.720 --> 08:27.680]  Now first of all, I'm looking at some stuff right now.
[08:27.680 --> 08:30.600]  Now Randy, you know you cheated on us because we didn't know this was coming.
[08:30.600 --> 08:33.720]  Well, he didn't know it was coming either.
[08:33.720 --> 08:38.440]  I decided to throw this on both of y'all at like about 7.30.
[08:38.440 --> 08:42.360]  Let me say this, I got a couple of things I'm looking at here, but let me say this now
[08:42.360 --> 08:51.560]  before we start because I've said this before and I was, originally when I heard all this,
[08:51.560 --> 09:00.600]  I was looking in the same area that you are and so when we realized that there were a
[09:00.600 --> 09:07.000]  couple of cases with maritime claims in the cases, we decided to go ahead and look at
[09:07.000 --> 09:12.400]  those like you guys know that we've done and that being Tim Turner's case down in around
[09:12.400 --> 09:18.360]  Dolphin and then Wendy's case and you go through and look at all of the paperwork throughout
[09:18.360 --> 09:25.520]  the whole filing and there's nothing, especially in Turner's case that ever, ever takes it
[09:25.520 --> 09:34.280]  out of Admiralty, his documents are all titled that way and the bottom line of it is it allows
[09:34.280 --> 09:36.440]  him to file maritime liens.
[09:36.440 --> 09:39.500]  Wait, wait, wait, here's my problem.
[09:39.500 --> 09:42.800]  How did it get into maritime in the first place?
[09:42.800 --> 09:49.800]  What I'm thinking is really happening is he's going in there calling this a maritime lien
[09:49.800 --> 09:54.560]  and the courts are looking at it and they don't care what you call it, it is what it
[09:54.560 --> 09:59.120]  is and it appears to me to be a commercial lien.
[09:59.120 --> 10:05.100]  Well see, now I was just reading out of the Admiralty handbook and one of the first statements
[10:05.100 --> 10:11.080]  about an Admiralty court is it's not a court at terms, but it's always open for the transaction
[10:11.080 --> 10:21.960]  of business so everything about the commercial activity is what the Admiralty is all about.
[10:21.960 --> 10:34.760]  I addressed that in the case law and the case law says absolutely not, only if the commerce
[10:34.760 --> 10:43.840]  has to do with maritime with transport on the high seas or navigable waters, otherwise
[10:43.840 --> 10:46.760]  it's just commercial.
[10:46.760 --> 10:52.960]  Well I can give you another case law and that's, well the case law is, where's the title of
[10:52.960 --> 10:53.960]  that one?
[10:53.960 --> 10:54.960]  Down in Dolphin, Mike.
[10:54.960 --> 10:59.720]  I mean that one is, it is a maritime in.
[10:59.720 --> 11:05.720]  Yeah if I can get a good case I can bounce off that case to others that may get me there,
[11:05.720 --> 11:11.600]  but everything I've found so far says no, people are saying okay insurance, insurance
[11:11.600 --> 11:13.160]  is maritime.
[11:13.160 --> 11:22.000]  I found cases that said insurance used to always be maritime, that's where it originated,
[11:22.000 --> 11:24.660]  but it's not anymore.
[11:24.660 --> 11:33.200]  It's only maritime if the insurance is insuring vessels on the high seas or navigable waters,
[11:33.200 --> 11:41.400]  otherwise it's not and the case law clearly delineated that, I think that was.
[11:41.400 --> 11:46.600]  Yeah have you looked at any of the case law in this Admiralty handbook by the way?
[11:46.600 --> 11:49.080]  I don't think I have the Admiralty handbook.
[11:49.080 --> 11:52.740]  I can send this to you, the reason I'm saying that, I got started on this a couple weeks
[11:52.740 --> 12:00.120]  ago and I actually looked at a couple of the cases and you will find how the judges ruled
[12:00.120 --> 12:05.240]  that it can be on dry land and I'm trying to find those two cases.
[12:05.240 --> 12:14.680]  Yeah I've got cases where it says it can be on dry land, but how it gets on dry land is
[12:14.680 --> 12:22.840]  from the sea and the cases go to a contract that involves maritime transport and where
[12:22.840 --> 12:29.480]  the transport goes intermodal, where it goes from a ship to a train or a truck and continues
[12:29.480 --> 12:33.240]  the transport to destination.
[12:33.240 --> 12:44.100]  Since a portion of the contract was maritime and in maritime law only maritime would apply,
[12:44.100 --> 12:48.680]  so therefore maritime must apply to all of it because you couldn't have two different
[12:48.680 --> 12:50.900]  courts here in the same case.
[12:50.900 --> 12:56.520]  So the maritime can extend onto the land that way but that's the only way I could find it.
[12:56.520 --> 13:01.120]  Yeah I'm actually trying to find that case that I was looking at.
[13:01.120 --> 13:06.200]  Let me give you a name and a book, Randy Raylor called it and this is what I was looking for
[13:06.200 --> 13:08.920]  and I remembered it.
[13:08.920 --> 13:21.280]  There happens to be a guy in Austin who teaches at University of Texas, his name is Robertson.
[13:21.280 --> 13:23.880]  He teaches Admiralty Law.
[13:23.880 --> 13:32.240]  He wrote the definitive book on Admiralty, Admiralty in Federalism by Robertson.
[13:32.240 --> 13:37.320]  We're trying to find that book and if Randy Raylor is listening I'm sure he'll call in
[13:37.320 --> 13:39.400]  and give us the details.
[13:39.400 --> 13:44.000]  He gave me the details earlier and I couldn't find the note on how to locate this individual
[13:44.000 --> 13:50.000]  and I'm going to get a hold of him and try to get him to come on the show.
[13:50.000 --> 13:56.600]  This is the guy, if anybody has the answers he's going to have some answers.
[13:56.600 --> 13:57.600]  These are my questions.
[13:57.600 --> 14:06.640]  I'm very interested in being able to use the maritime so I'm not a naysayer but when I
[14:06.640 --> 14:14.840]  talk about due process and I tell you something is this way I can go right to the statute
[14:14.840 --> 14:21.000]  or right to the case law that says exactly this is how it is.
[14:21.000 --> 14:24.680]  So when I go after these guys I've got this behind me.
[14:24.680 --> 14:30.760]  My problem with the maritime is I don't have that behind me and I need it.
[14:30.760 --> 14:37.640]  Okay it looks like we got Randy on the line, what was that Greg?
[14:37.640 --> 14:39.840]  I said you want it not need it.
[14:39.840 --> 14:43.440]  I can prove you don't need it but I know that you want it.
[14:43.440 --> 14:54.560]  If I go into court and in court I cannot give the judge my opinion or can but he is at his
[14:54.560 --> 14:57.280]  liberty to ignore it.
[14:57.280 --> 15:03.560]  I can't tell him what I think I have to tell him what the law says because that's what
[15:03.560 --> 15:06.700]  he's there to do is apply the law to the facts.
[15:06.700 --> 15:12.800]  He cannot apply my opinion to the facts even if he agrees with me.
[15:12.800 --> 15:17.040]  If I don't give him law I give him nothing.
[15:17.040 --> 15:18.040]  That's my concern.
[15:18.040 --> 15:21.680]  All right well listen we've got Randy on the line, Randy Raylor so let's see if he's got
[15:21.680 --> 15:22.680]  the answer.
[15:22.680 --> 15:24.360]  Randy is this Randy Raylor?
[15:24.360 --> 15:25.880]  Yes it is.
[15:25.880 --> 15:27.960]  Okay go ahead.
[15:27.960 --> 15:39.000]  I found a case today it is let's see it's Doyle versus Huntress.
[15:39.000 --> 15:40.600]  Huntress is too old.
[15:40.600 --> 15:46.640]  Huntress is a case about salvage.
[15:46.640 --> 15:50.400]  This is clearly a maritime case salvaging the ship.
[15:50.400 --> 15:53.360]  August 12, 2005 is too old.
[15:53.360 --> 15:56.080]  So Huntress is 1849?
[15:56.080 --> 15:58.640]  No no no this is another one.
[15:58.640 --> 16:01.600]  It's Doyle versus Huntress.
[16:01.600 --> 16:09.000]  It's actually Doyle, Hagman, Legg, Richards and Edwards versus Huntress Inc. Relentless
[16:09.000 --> 16:15.360]  Inc. and it's dated August 12, 2005.
[16:15.360 --> 16:23.340]  Okay the one that was cited was a Huntress from 1849 it had to do with salvage with maritime
[16:23.340 --> 16:24.340]  salvage.
[16:24.340 --> 16:27.040]  Well what does this case say Randy?
[16:27.040 --> 16:33.520]  Well the interesting part that I saw in here was where they talk about the case citation
[16:33.520 --> 16:35.360]  so I can look it up.
[16:35.360 --> 16:49.120]  I just I have a copy of the of this what is it it should have a number yeah number 04-1242.
[16:49.120 --> 16:50.120]  That doesn't help.
[16:50.120 --> 16:52.240]  Where does that number come from?
[16:52.240 --> 16:54.560]  Right off of the what I'm the document I'm looking at.
[16:54.560 --> 16:57.760]  Okay okay I will go see if I can find it.
[16:57.760 --> 17:03.720]  I'll send this to you but what was interesting is where they talk about Admiralty in this
[17:03.720 --> 17:10.760]  thing and they say the case at hand arises in Admiralty and concerns the interpretation
[17:10.760 --> 17:21.840]  of two statutes that regulate the employment of seamen which is 46 USC 10601 11107.
[17:21.840 --> 17:27.120]  Whether a case is in Admiralty case turns on whether the plaintiff properly designated
[17:27.120 --> 17:29.760]  the action as in Admiralty.
[17:29.760 --> 17:33.600]  Weingarder 185 at 6.
[17:33.600 --> 17:35.960]  You're going to 9H that's not helpful.
[17:35.960 --> 17:42.240]  Oh that's what it says it goes Federal rules of 9H governs the designation and then it
[17:42.240 --> 17:47.080]  says a pleading or count setting forth a claim for relief with an Admiralty or maritime
[17:47.080 --> 17:51.200]  jurisdiction that is also within the jurisdiction of the district court on some other ground
[17:51.200 --> 17:55.720]  may contain a statement identifying the claim as in Admiralty.
[17:55.720 --> 18:06.320]  Yeah the problem is under 9H you cannot simply claim Admiralty it has to arise in Admiralty.
[18:06.320 --> 18:13.840]  If the case arises in Admiralty then you can bring it into Admiralty by claiming it.
[18:13.840 --> 18:21.160]  You only get into Admiralty if you claim Admiralty but even under 9H it says it has to arise
[18:21.160 --> 18:23.160]  under Admiralty.
[18:23.160 --> 18:28.040]  Well now when he started reading that case didn't he say that the case itself states
[18:28.040 --> 18:30.320]  it arises in Admiralty.
[18:30.320 --> 18:38.000]  Yes and since it arose in Admiralty they still have to claim Admiralty in order to get it
[18:38.000 --> 18:43.400]  in there and that's what that that's what it's going to do.
[18:43.400 --> 18:44.400]  Go ahead Greg.
[18:44.400 --> 18:48.640]  Yeah that's not the way I took what he just read Mike's looking to 9H we've read that
[18:48.640 --> 19:00.000]  before.
[19:00.000 --> 19:14.960]  Got it Doyle V. Huntress I'm here okay I've got Doyle V. Huntress 2008 513 F3D 331 fishermen
[19:14.960 --> 19:24.240]  while paid worked on a void on on voyages from 1993 to 2000 under under lay share contracts
[19:24.240 --> 19:33.640]  that did not comply with 46 USC 10601 this clearly arises under Admiralty.
[19:33.640 --> 19:43.460]  This is a fisherman working on a ship clearly Admiralty but what what the case is saying
[19:43.460 --> 19:52.160]  even if it arises under Admiralty you can apparently adjudicate it under statutory unless
[19:52.160 --> 20:00.920]  you claim Admiralty under 9H and what people seem to be taking from when they read that
[20:00.920 --> 20:11.080]  is say well all you got to do is claim Admiralty and that's not how I got it.
[20:11.080 --> 20:17.400]  Another thing that I'm sitting here reading this another thing that I found is is that
[20:17.400 --> 20:28.040]  they now this is something that I can't back up very good but they said Admiralty is meritorious
[20:28.040 --> 20:34.240]  but it is well known that Admiralty jurisdiction is twofold a prized jurisdiction exercised
[20:34.240 --> 20:41.920]  jure beli extending to all captures in war as prized whether on sea or on land yes and
[20:41.920 --> 20:47.080]  in a civil jurisdiction over causes civil and maritime springing from a consideration
[20:47.080 --> 20:48.760]  purely maritime.
[20:48.760 --> 20:58.880]  Okay let me put in a kind of an aside the Republic of Texas has a problem here because
[20:58.880 --> 21:05.040]  Texas the Republic was the spoils of war.
[21:05.040 --> 21:11.080]  They claim that the Republic still exists no it was taken in maritime as a spoils of
[21:11.080 --> 21:17.120]  war when they lost the war I'm sorry that was just an aside do we go ahead I interrupted.
[21:17.120 --> 21:22.720]  Well I'm just I'm just saying that some of the argument is is that they and I and I don't
[21:22.720 --> 21:27.320]  I'm not I'm not sure I believe in this but I'm just trying to figure out where this goes
[21:27.320 --> 21:34.520]  is that because of the trading with the enemies act when they declared all of us enemies of
[21:34.520 --> 21:40.960]  this corporation they're operating in Admiralty against us because we're at war.
[21:40.960 --> 21:48.360]  Okay well I had heard that the government is operating every time it seizes something
[21:48.360 --> 21:52.320]  it sees it under Admiralty I think you were talking about that earlier.
[21:52.320 --> 22:01.080]  Yeah I sent you a couple of notices that say in Admiralty where they seize money in a Mercedes.
[22:01.080 --> 22:08.800]  Yeah well I would want to know where the Mercedes was and how it got into their hands if someone
[22:08.800 --> 22:15.600]  drove it off a boat then clearly it goes to Admiralty this is what I'm looking for is
[22:15.600 --> 22:19.560]  that connection that brings me to Admiralty.
[22:19.560 --> 22:23.960]  I don't know I just I just know that they're that it's there I don't know how we get there
[22:23.960 --> 22:30.120]  I can't I can't get there either I just trying to figure out what in the world everybody's
[22:30.120 --> 22:37.640]  saying and it just doesn't make a lot of sense yet I'm hoping Robertson will shed light on
[22:37.640 --> 22:38.640]  it.
[22:38.640 --> 22:43.720]  What what was that Greg did you say something I said I have a question okay go ahead Don
[22:43.720 --> 22:48.720]  you're all quoting all these court cases by judges and I've heard Randy give an answer
[22:48.720 --> 22:55.320]  to this before but 28 USC 3002 describes the United States as a federal corporation so
[22:55.320 --> 23:00.200]  it's all corporate stuff it's all commercial they're not really judges they're just corporate
[23:00.200 --> 23:10.160]  officers if you will okay and I go so I liken them to a cart boy at Walmart so what's your
[23:10.160 --> 23:12.160]  how do you respond to that?
[23:12.160 --> 23:19.240]  Well what I'm saying is is this is commercial and that we are for the most part in commercial
[23:19.240 --> 23:24.880]  that's why I was interested in revocation of power of attorney because if we're in commercial
[23:24.880 --> 23:29.320]  we're in contract it's all commercial I mean the United States is commercial and the judge
[23:29.320 --> 23:34.240]  is commercial the court's commercial yeah and I have yeah commercial for me is great
[23:34.240 --> 23:38.800]  in the ways that have to do with Admiralty though exactly well why you care what their
[23:38.800 --> 23:45.320]  opinion is it's all in commerce it's all commercial they're not a real judge they're a fake judge
[23:45.320 --> 23:52.520]  but because they define contract law I guess my point is if you appear as a real person
[23:52.520 --> 23:58.200]  and not a corporate entity then you have higher status than they do well yeah but saying you're
[23:58.200 --> 24:03.760]  appearing as a real person is an oxymoron yeah you wouldn't really appear there I'm
[24:03.760 --> 24:08.960]  just saying you would handle it a different way but I'm just linking the Admiralty to
[24:08.960 --> 24:14.960]  commercial it's all the same it's all to me it's all the same and yeah what I was trying
[24:14.960 --> 24:20.160]  to get Randy to understand about the statutes here in Texas is that they are all commercial
[24:20.160 --> 24:25.380]  based they tell you that right up front when they tell you that chapter 311 controls every
[24:25.380 --> 24:30.420]  aspect of the definition of the term person within that code that is strictly commercial
[24:30.420 --> 24:35.640]  it's all it can be because it is nothing but legal entities right but what we're trying
[24:35.640 --> 24:40.800]  to understand is how how the maritime gets brought into this and why is it even necessary
[24:40.800 --> 24:46.800]  to want to go there because it's plainly obvious that this is all commercial but it's not so
[24:46.800 --> 24:52.960]  obvious to me as you know rock-solid that we're an Admiralty that's that's what I'm
[24:52.960 --> 25:00.000]  trying to understand the reason to go there is because of the simplicity of the rules
[25:00.000 --> 25:11.160]  under Admiralty I mean it's it's it's really simple and and to me that's the main reason
[25:11.160 --> 25:15.960]  well it the most of the people I've talked to were really interested in the maritime
[25:15.960 --> 25:24.360]  lien right yeah I don't I don't see how they're ever going to get to it because what they're
[25:24.360 --> 25:32.200]  claiming goes against the very idea and intention of a maritime lien okay let let me let me
[25:32.200 --> 25:36.720]  let me twist around what you said you said you don't know how they're going to get to
[25:36.720 --> 25:43.280]  it the fact of the matter is they are getting to it so the question to me is well the question
[25:43.280 --> 25:48.520]  to me is and this is the way I have looked at this how are they getting there they're
[25:48.520 --> 25:54.720]  there well how are how are they getting there how to how to fill in the holes now now this
[25:54.720 --> 25:59.200]  nine H you know reading that if a claim for relief is within the Admiralty or maritime
[25:59.200 --> 26:04.400]  jurisdiction and also within the court subject matter jurisdiction on some other ground the
[26:04.400 --> 26:10.240]  pleading may designate designate the claim as an Admiralty or maritime claim that's
[26:10.240 --> 26:16.200]  almost an endless loop because if he if he designates it isn't it the isn't it within
[26:16.200 --> 26:23.160]  the jurisdiction well it has to be a court that can hear maritime and it has to apply
[26:23.160 --> 26:30.160]  to maritime well in the federal bankruptcy court middle district of Alabama we had three
[26:30.160 --> 26:35.200]  judges that didn't bring any of that up yeah either there what but what I'm saying what
[26:35.200 --> 26:43.560]  I think may be occurring here is it makes no difference what you call it it is what
[26:43.560 --> 26:51.080]  it is and just because Tim Turner is calling this lien a maritime lien does not make it
[26:51.080 --> 26:57.360]  a maritime lien if it is a valid commercial lien it is a valid commercial lien and Tim
[26:57.360 --> 27:04.000]  Turner can call it anything he wants to it's not going to make any difference it is what
[27:04.000 --> 27:09.360]  it is and the only difference between the maritime lien and the commercial lien that
[27:09.360 --> 27:17.520]  I can find is where it stands first down if Tim Turner is able to go shut down the court
[27:17.520 --> 27:23.040]  and collect this lien over the top of everything else then I'll say yeah maybe that's a maritime
[27:23.040 --> 27:31.280]  lien but otherwise the lien stands behind everything else as a cloud on the title which
[27:31.280 --> 27:38.920]  screws them up almost as bad but it doesn't go to the maritime the maritime liens very
[27:38.920 --> 27:47.080]  specifically ship comes into port it contracts for goods or services doesn't pay for those
[27:47.080 --> 27:54.000]  goods or services the provider runs the risk of the ship weighing anchor and leaving the
[27:54.000 --> 28:02.360]  jurisdiction so maritime law says you can grab that ship you can arrest the ship and
[28:02.360 --> 28:08.660]  your lien stands before anyone else's because if he leaves your jurisdiction you're unable
[28:08.660 --> 28:15.160]  to collect so you get to collect first how do we move that to the land that's the intent
[28:15.160 --> 28:22.200]  of the maritime lien and that's why it stands first in line first in time but when we're
[28:22.200 --> 28:30.440]  on the ground those conditions and those precedents don't exist it's it's like they're trying
[28:30.440 --> 28:37.840]  to create something and trying to take that lien and twist it around to suit their purposes
[28:37.840 --> 28:44.680]  and it wasn't meant to suit this purpose does that make sense well no I agree with what
[28:44.680 --> 28:51.320]  you're what you're saying matter of fact I'm probably right in line with you on that and
[28:51.320 --> 29:00.080]  had I had I looked at any of these cases and saw where it was just it wasn't effective
[29:00.080 --> 29:04.760]  you know I would have stopped there and not gone any further the only thing that bugs
[29:04.760 --> 29:10.760]  me about it is the fact that it is effective and so it's almost like an engineering you
[29:10.760 --> 29:16.880]  know when you are forward engineering you're looking at the end result you want to you
[29:16.880 --> 29:22.520]  want to turn that light on and make it flash let's say so you do everything up and do that
[29:22.520 --> 29:28.320]  point other or else the other method is reverse engineering work engineering where you've
[29:28.320 --> 29:33.440]  got it you've got a light that's flashing and now you're trying to figure out why it
[29:33.440 --> 29:39.720]  is flashing that's I'm reverse engineering on this stuff because I know that it is working
[29:39.720 --> 29:46.360]  and so I'm working my way back yeah we're going to break I want to speak to unstated
[29:46.360 --> 29:52.440]  presuppositions okay do you do you need to do you guys need to bail out of here Greg
[29:52.440 --> 29:58.800]  yeah yeah we need to get get on the road alright thanks we'll talk to y'all later
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[31:23.960 --> 31:33.400]  I'm in a fight for the fight to get to the free boy I know what I've got for a boy to
[31:33.400 --> 31:42.760]  do that's a thing for a rock and roll fan cause the sleeper don't tell me there's no
[31:42.760 --> 32:08.040]  place for a sleeper man no hey think the time is right for valent revolution but where
[32:08.040 --> 32:20.760]  I live the game to play a compromise solution I know what I've got for a boy to do that's
[32:20.760 --> 32:29.160]  a thing for a rock and roll fan cause the sleeper don't tell me there's no place for
[32:29.160 --> 32:31.720]  a sleeper man.
[32:31.720 --> 32:39.520]  Okay we are back the rule of law the agenda 21 guys had to go they have to hit the road
[32:39.520 --> 32:45.760]  and get back to Alabama they're up in Tennessee right now they were there for Wendy's friend's
[32:45.760 --> 32:54.120]  case okay we've got Randy Raylor on the line Randy you're welcome to stay on I want to
[32:54.120 --> 33:00.440]  go now to Charles in Texas who we talked to last night and he's calling back in tonight
[33:00.440 --> 33:06.760]  to finish discussing his case Charles thanks for calling in thanks for having me I hope
[33:06.760 --> 33:15.560]  I did not ruffle the feathers of the guys that were on beforehand but I was I was waiting
[33:15.560 --> 33:22.360]  for y'all no that's okay now we went on Friday nights agenda 21 is on from 6 to 8 and then
[33:22.360 --> 33:29.360]  we're on from 8 to midnight here on rule of law radio network we do have shows beginning
[33:29.360 --> 33:34.400]  at 6 p.m. central time five nights a week on Monday nights we've got Juris Dictionary
[33:34.400 --> 33:39.200]  from 6 to 8 and on Tuesdays and Thursdays we've got Iron and World Report radio from
[33:39.200 --> 33:45.360]  6 to 8 on Wednesdays we have Austin Liberty Beat from 6 to 8 so yeah this is not a conference
[33:45.360 --> 33:51.720]  call this is a radio show and we do have specific times that we start and end the show so but
[33:51.720 --> 33:56.280]  I'm sure you didn't ruffle their feathers so go ahead Charles.
[33:56.280 --> 34:06.920]  Well as per the recommendations of Randy I did some homework about an hour or two of
[34:06.920 --> 34:12.960]  homework today chasing some of the ideas that he recommended to me last night pertaining
[34:12.960 --> 34:21.720]  to an incident where I was pulled over and frisked and had my car searched against my
[34:21.720 --> 34:26.160]  consent you're the guy that was taking a walk in the park before work right that's right
[34:26.160 --> 34:35.160]  yeah yeah this is a ridiculous situation yeah I mean it you know I don't know what to think
[34:35.160 --> 34:41.000]  of it people who have seen the video are are are indignant about it and they say that something
[34:41.000 --> 34:47.760]  can absolutely be done and you know this is my first time I've dealt with these people
[34:47.760 --> 34:55.960]  before I won a an assault case in 2003 with the aid of a man by the name of Robert Fox
[34:55.960 --> 35:04.360]  who put the King James Bible in my hand and and so you know I'm not unwise to the shenanigans
[35:04.360 --> 35:11.200]  that these people pull off but you know I've never sued anybody before so it's it's kind
[35:11.200 --> 35:18.520]  of a an intricate process I'm beginning to see it's not as bad as it appears it you know
[35:18.520 --> 35:24.520]  it's like anything it's like learning to ride a bicycle when you first start learn trying
[35:24.520 --> 35:30.440]  it it's really tough because you have so many things you have to think about but after you
[35:30.440 --> 35:37.240]  kind of get through the front part it kind of gets a little easier especially if you
[35:37.240 --> 35:46.760]  get jurisdictionary jurisdictionary you can order it off our website Dr. Frederick Graves
[35:46.760 --> 35:55.120]  wrote it and it's all of the basics on due process well it's all the basics on court
[35:55.120 --> 36:01.440]  procedure and how to how to how to go pro se in court whether you're in the civil side
[36:01.440 --> 36:05.760]  or the criminal side or if you're in the civil side whether you're the plaintiff or defendant
[36:05.760 --> 36:09.720]  and it's really it really covers the basics of you know causes of action and things like
[36:09.720 --> 36:14.320]  that and Frederick Graves has a show here on this network from six to eight on Mondays
[36:14.320 --> 36:18.640]  also but yeah jurisdictionary would be the best place to start I would recommend that
[36:18.640 --> 36:28.880]  for everyone yeah yeah well I appreciate the the advice so so Randy let me I won't take
[36:28.880 --> 36:34.520]  up you know all the time in the world but you one thing I did not mention last night
[36:34.520 --> 36:40.520]  is that at the end of the video the cop who had pulled me over after I had pulled away
[36:40.520 --> 36:49.960]  is clearly saying he's going to call the school where I was going and because you know he
[36:49.960 --> 36:55.480]  tells me that I need to get my mind together that I was acting irrationally simply by questioning
[36:55.480 --> 37:01.920]  him and refusing him to search my car and even though he did it so he and that he did
[37:01.920 --> 37:05.480]  and so he's at the end of the video claiming that he called that he's going to call the
[37:05.480 --> 37:12.560]  school circumstances when I got to the school were such that the the liaison officer at
[37:12.560 --> 37:20.040]  Clark High School in Twaino came to came to the ISS room where I was subbing and stood
[37:20.040 --> 37:26.520]  there for about 15 minutes watching over me and you know I'd never said two words to that
[37:26.520 --> 37:31.560]  man in my life and I never had any particular problem and I still don't with the man because
[37:31.560 --> 37:40.360]  I saw him days after this whole incident but I I did not in time ask for the call from
[37:40.360 --> 37:50.800]  the cop to Clark High School because Plano Police as a policy erases their all WAVE files
[37:50.800 --> 37:55.600]  after 60 days and so I did not obtain the WAVE files in time because I didn't know
[37:55.600 --> 38:01.640]  to obtain them so apparently this is the it is the opinion of a lot that this is a very
[38:01.640 --> 38:07.800]  important fact to highlight retaliation or something but the problem would be in my mind
[38:07.800 --> 38:15.080]  is getting evidence is this a crucial fact in my case or should I be concerned no it's
[38:15.080 --> 38:23.000]  it's an annoyance but no it's not a crucial fact okay he just did that to cause you some
[38:23.000 --> 38:31.560]  more difficulty sure so it's fair for you to cause him some difficulty and I'm just
[38:31.560 --> 38:37.120]  the right guy to show you how to do that if you happen to wind up in in the municipal
[38:37.120 --> 38:45.120]  court in Richardson no and you mentioned Randall Kelton you'll probably get three or four bailiffs
[38:45.120 --> 38:51.800]  standing around you well when I made a reference to Fat Mason the image I had in my mind was
[38:51.800 --> 39:02.440]  of Mr. Raymond Noah who oh yeah he knows me well well you know I mean they sent me up
[39:02.440 --> 39:06.640]  for painting my house when I just decided I'd paint the house because if you're living
[39:06.640 --> 39:12.760]  in Babylon you know like Daniel probably you have to accept some of the Babel not not in
[39:12.760 --> 39:18.080]  a house needed painting anyway but so I just decided to deal with it then but in that manner
[39:18.080 --> 39:23.880]  but you know I definitely had a tussle with the bailiff at one point for his lack of courtesy
[39:23.880 --> 39:32.480]  he showed in my way so I asked the bailiff to arrest Noah okay right in front of Noah
[39:32.480 --> 39:40.120]  was it was you hear what he said yes I did arrest him that was a loop was it that bailiff
[39:40.120 --> 39:46.200]  with the glasses and the mustache it was a female bailiff okay okay okay she might have
[39:46.200 --> 39:55.800]  had a mustache but I've had some experience in Richardson this is what you do you're the
[39:55.800 --> 40:04.440]  sovereign and they have all these laws they have to follow and you don't they can only
[40:04.440 --> 40:10.720]  do what they're allowed to do you can do anything you want to I went to the to Richardson and
[40:10.720 --> 40:20.720]  filed criminal charges against Noah and against a police couple police officers and they wanted
[40:20.720 --> 40:29.000]  to choke me too bad Bubba I'm the sovereign you don't have to like it yeah and it would
[40:29.000 --> 40:37.480]  be good for you to sting this guy good are you familiar with T-close T-close I am not
[40:37.480 --> 40:47.920]  okay if you look on my website under documents and research there's a folder there called
[40:47.920 --> 40:59.040]  grievances in there there's bar grievance judicial conduct and T-close T-close is the
[40:59.040 --> 41:05.560]  agency that oversees police officers they're like the bar or the state commission on judicial
[41:05.560 --> 41:13.800]  conduct they certify police officers okay file a complaint with T-close for unprofessional
[41:13.800 --> 41:28.560]  conduct criminal violation 39.03 penal code official oppression false by false imprisonment
[41:28.560 --> 41:36.240]  and a violation of fourth amendment illegal search and seizure okay yeah you said 39.03
[41:36.240 --> 41:43.680]  now my research in the code the penal code came up with for me most applicable to filing
[41:43.680 --> 41:52.800]  that criminal complaint at Twano municipal court the ones that my novice mind thought
[41:52.800 --> 42:01.920]  might be best were 30.05 criminal trespass illegal search of my car and 20.02 unlawful
[42:01.920 --> 42:10.080]  restraint okay the courts have held that you don't have the expectation of privacy in your
[42:10.080 --> 42:20.360]  automobile sufficient to be able to claim criminal trespass okay however 39.03 everybody
[42:20.360 --> 42:24.280]  should have that one memorized now wait a minute wait a minute I don't understand that
[42:24.280 --> 42:32.000]  Randy it's still my property and it's still not cool for unauthorized individuals inside
[42:32.000 --> 42:37.760]  my car if I don't want them to be that's true but but that's a different it's just the wrong
[42:37.760 --> 42:42.280]  the wrong complaint to make I mean I can't say that that because it's a car I have no
[42:42.280 --> 42:46.480]  reasonable expectation of privacy and so anybody in the world can just jump in my car I mean
[42:46.480 --> 42:54.200]  it doesn't even make any sense you're saying it should not be 30.05 but 39.03 39.03 is
[42:54.200 --> 43:04.400]  one this is also it's 39.03 because it violates constitution okay and it goes to official
[43:04.400 --> 43:11.800]  oppression where anytime a public official exerts or purports to exert an authority they
[43:11.800 --> 43:19.600]  do not specifically have or if a public official fails to perform a duty he's required to perform
[43:19.600 --> 43:27.360]  and in the process denies a citizen full free access to her enjoyment of right that's class
[43:27.360 --> 43:37.160]  a misdemeanor in Texas yeah violates any law relating to his offenses kind of a catch-all
[43:37.160 --> 43:42.040]  all right listen we're going to break you do you stay on the line Charles you have some
[43:42.040 --> 43:48.200]  you want to finish up on the other side yeah if that's okay sure yeah okay all right we'll
[43:48.200 --> 43:52.200]  be right back and then we're gonna continue on with the rest of our colors after we finish
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[45:19.440 --> 45:30.800]  we're finally on our own this summer i hear the drumming for dead in ohio
[45:30.800 --> 45:50.400]  got to get down to it so we can get out of this town should have been done long ago
[45:50.400 --> 46:14.080]  how can you run when you know
[46:14.080 --> 46:31.840]  don't listen
[46:31.840 --> 46:35.840]  Should have been done long ago
[46:37.840 --> 46:43.840]  But if you knew the words that I heard right on the ground
[46:43.840 --> 46:48.840]  I could do what, when to go
[46:48.840 --> 46:53.840]  I could do what, when to go
[47:18.840 --> 47:31.840]  So I guess then, Randy, you quoted 3903 as the code with which to criminally charge the cop
[47:31.840 --> 47:37.840]  Is there anything else based on what you told, what I have told you off the top of your head
[47:37.840 --> 47:43.840]  that I would also be able to charge him with, or is 3903 sufficient unto itself?
[47:43.840 --> 47:49.840]  That one is probably the most effective. Now there's another one that I really like
[47:49.840 --> 47:51.840]  But it's stretching a bit
[47:51.840 --> 47:52.840]  Okay
[47:52.840 --> 47:58.840]  We can maintain that the officer did a Terry stop
[47:58.840 --> 48:00.840]  Okay
[48:00.840 --> 48:05.840]  And determined no crime, and he had probable cause
[48:05.840 --> 48:12.840]  If he had a call of a suspicious person, then he has to respond
[48:12.840 --> 48:13.840]  Uh huh
[48:13.840 --> 48:18.840]  And if you were singled out as that suspicious person
[48:18.840 --> 48:26.840]  He had a right to stop you, to make sure you're not one of these guys hanging around the schoolyard or the park
[48:26.840 --> 48:28.840]  Looking for little children
[48:28.840 --> 48:36.840]  But he did not invoke that, he invoked that the reason he stopped me was for an illegal lane change
[48:36.840 --> 48:40.840]  which never happened and he lied about
[48:40.840 --> 48:45.840]  Right, well they do that all the time because they can get away with that
[48:45.840 --> 48:54.840]  And he probably didn't want to tell you initially that he had a suspicious person called
[48:54.840 --> 48:57.840]  because he didn't want to alert you to his real purpose
[48:57.840 --> 49:02.840]  And that's not altogether unreasonable
[49:02.840 --> 49:10.840]  Considering there are guys that hang around the park and grab little children and do horrible things to them and murder them
[49:10.840 --> 49:13.840]  So from the policeman's side
[49:13.840 --> 49:22.840]  And you have to consider the policeman spends most of his day dealing with really low life
[49:22.840 --> 49:28.840]  People who will say anything just to get what they want
[49:28.840 --> 49:31.840]  Now we're not supposed to be talking about the other police officers that way
[49:31.840 --> 49:35.840]  I was talking about attorneys
[49:35.840 --> 49:45.840]  But you consider policemen spend 90% of their time dealing with about 10% of the public
[49:45.840 --> 49:49.840]  And they spend a small amount of time dealing with people who are not criminals
[49:49.840 --> 49:53.840]  I don't know about that, I think that it's getting more and more these days
[49:53.840 --> 49:58.840]  Where the police are dealing more and more with the general public because that's what they're being told to do
[49:58.840 --> 50:01.840]  And they're just demonizing everyone
[50:01.840 --> 50:02.840]  I agree
[50:02.840 --> 50:06.840]  Well, I'm trying to keep this in a perspective
[50:06.840 --> 50:11.840]  We have to give our police enough room to be able to do their job
[50:11.840 --> 50:21.840]  Because if he gets that call and he doesn't vigorously investigate and a child disappears
[50:21.840 --> 50:22.840]  How would you feel?
[50:22.840 --> 50:25.840]  But he obviously oversteps his authority
[50:25.840 --> 50:26.840]  Yes, okay
[50:26.840 --> 50:29.840]  Okay, so they can't, that's no excuse
[50:29.840 --> 50:30.840]  That's just really no excuse
[50:30.840 --> 50:38.840]  The reason I'm going here is so we file a good complaint and not a ludicrous complaint
[50:38.840 --> 50:45.840]  We don't just go out there and sound like somebody who's just mad because somebody bothered us
[50:45.840 --> 50:51.840]  And if we structure our complaint carefully, then we'll get it listened to
[50:51.840 --> 50:55.840]  We'll have less fights to get into
[50:55.840 --> 51:00.840]  The one thing I don't have any problem with is getting into fights with public officials
[51:00.840 --> 51:04.840]  Everybody offers me more opportunity to fight than I can ever get to
[51:04.840 --> 51:07.840]  So I try to avoid the unnecessary ones
[51:07.840 --> 51:12.840]  So let's make a good complaint
[51:12.840 --> 51:16.840]  He had authority to make the Terry stop based on the call
[51:16.840 --> 51:17.840]  Okay
[51:17.840 --> 51:19.840]  Which is person call
[51:19.840 --> 51:23.840]  He didn't have to tell you his real reason for stopping you
[51:23.840 --> 51:26.840]  He could tell you any whopper he wants to
[51:26.840 --> 51:30.840]  If he had reason to stop, he had reason to stop
[51:30.840 --> 51:32.840]  Makes no difference what he tells you
[51:32.840 --> 51:38.840]  But did he have reason to search to pat me down and then to search my car?
[51:38.840 --> 51:44.840]  He had reason to pat down because suspicious person call
[51:44.840 --> 51:47.840]  He had reason to pat down for his safety
[51:47.840 --> 51:52.840]  However, entering the car is a whole other matter
[51:52.840 --> 51:56.840]  And the reason I brought all that up is you don't raise an issue
[51:56.840 --> 51:58.840]  You say, okay, fine
[51:58.840 --> 52:02.840]  You know, if he got a report that somebody thought I looked suspicious
[52:02.840 --> 52:04.840]  That's reasonable
[52:04.840 --> 52:07.840]  Then I have no problem with that
[52:07.840 --> 52:10.840]  But he grossly exceeded his authority
[52:10.840 --> 52:13.840]  Not because he thought I was a criminal
[52:13.840 --> 52:15.840]  But because I objected to him
[52:15.840 --> 52:19.840]  Well, see, I have a problem with the pat down too because
[52:19.840 --> 52:23.840]  You know, people who just may have it out for you for some reason
[52:23.840 --> 52:27.840]  Can make a suspicious person call to the police
[52:27.840 --> 52:29.840]  Just so that the cops will go harass you
[52:29.840 --> 52:32.840]  I mean, after the police talked to this man
[52:32.840 --> 52:37.840]  And determined that he was there in the park taking a walk
[52:37.840 --> 52:41.840]  Getting some exercise before he has to go to work
[52:41.840 --> 52:46.840]  And that there was no illegal or unlawful behavior whatsoever
[52:46.840 --> 52:49.840]  Then I don't think that they had any cause to pat him down
[52:49.840 --> 52:50.840]  I'm sorry
[52:50.840 --> 52:52.840]  I can't go there
[52:52.840 --> 52:53.840]  I'm not saying he had cause
[52:53.840 --> 52:54.840]  He had the right
[52:54.840 --> 52:55.840]  He had the right under law
[52:55.840 --> 52:56.840]  No, I'm not so sure
[52:56.840 --> 52:57.840]  I'm not so sure
[52:57.840 --> 52:58.840]  Hold on
[52:58.840 --> 52:59.840]  You may not like it
[52:59.840 --> 53:01.840]  But that is clear under law
[53:01.840 --> 53:03.840]  Well, then I think it's time for some civil disobedience
[53:03.840 --> 53:05.840]  So that this can be adjudicated
[53:05.840 --> 53:08.840]  Because otherwise we find ourselves in a society
[53:08.840 --> 53:13.840]  Where anybody can make a suspicious call on anyone else
[53:13.840 --> 53:16.840]  Just for the sake of retaliation
[53:16.840 --> 53:17.840]  To harass them with the police
[53:17.840 --> 53:19.840]  With a pat down or search or whatever
[53:19.840 --> 53:21.840]  And that is not a workable society
[53:21.840 --> 53:23.840]  It is a workable society
[53:23.840 --> 53:24.840]  No, it's not
[53:24.840 --> 53:25.840]  Not in my book
[53:25.840 --> 53:27.840]  It's not a workable society in my book
[53:27.840 --> 53:29.840]  When somebody who doesn't like me
[53:29.840 --> 53:32.840]  Can call and have the police harass me
[53:32.840 --> 53:34.840]  And pat me down and touch my body
[53:34.840 --> 53:37.840]  That is not a workable society in my book
[53:37.840 --> 53:40.840]  So before I can call in a suspicious person report
[53:40.840 --> 53:42.840]  I have to prove that I like the guy
[53:42.840 --> 53:45.840]  No, but the police have to prove to themselves
[53:45.840 --> 53:47.840]  That there is probable cause to believe
[53:47.840 --> 53:48.840]  I'm actually suspicious
[53:48.840 --> 53:49.840]  Before patting me down
[53:49.840 --> 53:51.840]  Well, in Terry Verse, Ohio
[53:51.840 --> 53:54.840]  It says for their own protection
[53:54.840 --> 53:56.840]  Police may perform a quick surface search
[53:56.840 --> 53:59.840]  Of the person's outer clothing for weapons
[53:59.840 --> 54:01.840]  If they have reasonable suspicion
[54:01.840 --> 54:03.840]  That the person is armed
[54:03.840 --> 54:06.840]  This reasonable suspicion must be based on
[54:06.840 --> 54:09.840]  Specific and articulable facts
[54:09.840 --> 54:12.840]  And not merely upon an officer's hunch
[54:12.840 --> 54:13.840]  There you go
[54:13.840 --> 54:15.840]  That's right there from Terry
[54:15.840 --> 54:17.840]  Yeah, that's all correct
[54:17.840 --> 54:19.840]  Now here's a parallel argument
[54:19.840 --> 54:20.840]  That I want to throw in
[54:20.840 --> 54:22.840]  With what everybody's talking about here on this
[54:22.840 --> 54:25.840]  All of the traffic cases that we're talking about
[54:25.840 --> 54:26.840]  Where the courts have decided
[54:26.840 --> 54:28.840]  You don't have privacy in your vehicle
[54:28.840 --> 54:29.840]  And so on and so forth
[54:29.840 --> 54:31.840]  Read those cases carefully
[54:31.840 --> 54:33.840]  And see if they don't state
[54:33.840 --> 54:36.840]  That you're not entitled to privacy in a motor vehicle
[54:36.840 --> 54:38.840]  Versus your automobile
[54:38.840 --> 54:39.840]  Now, wait
[54:39.840 --> 54:42.840]  Now, when I said privacy
[54:42.840 --> 54:44.840]  That doesn't mean
[54:44.840 --> 54:47.840]  That only went to criminal trespass
[54:47.840 --> 54:49.840]  But what I'm saying, Randy, is
[54:49.840 --> 54:52.840]  If they're articulating it as a commercial endeavor
[54:52.840 --> 54:54.840]  In which we're dealing with a motor vehicle
[54:54.840 --> 54:56.840]  Instead of private property
[54:56.840 --> 54:58.840]  They would be correct
[54:58.840 --> 55:00.840]  But if we're dealing with a private automobile
[55:00.840 --> 55:04.840]  That's not commercialized in any way, shape, or form
[55:04.840 --> 55:06.840]  We're dealing with private property
[55:06.840 --> 55:09.840]  And where that property sits and what it consists of
[55:09.840 --> 55:13.840]  Should be absolutely irrelevant
[55:13.840 --> 55:16.840]  I have a reasonable expectation inside my car
[55:16.840 --> 55:19.840]  That a stranger cannot enter my car and abuse me
[55:19.840 --> 55:22.840]  Just like I would if I was in the walls of my house
[55:22.840 --> 55:24.840]  I have a reasonable expectation
[55:24.840 --> 55:27.840]  That if my doors are closed and my windows are rolled up
[55:27.840 --> 55:30.840]  That no one will enter my car and search it without my consent
[55:30.840 --> 55:32.840]  It is private property in that
[55:32.840 --> 55:36.840]  Yeah, but the charge, the complaint there is not criminal trespass
[55:36.840 --> 55:38.840]  It's illegal search
[55:38.840 --> 55:40.840]  Why isn't it both?
[55:40.840 --> 55:44.840]  Well, because the policeman has a certain degree of latitude
[55:44.840 --> 55:49.840]  Now, here the officer didn't understand that he lost his latitude
[55:49.840 --> 55:54.840]  When Charles got out of the car and locked it
[55:54.840 --> 55:56.840]  Yeah, that's what I did
[55:56.840 --> 55:59.840]  There's nothing you can reach inside there
[55:59.840 --> 56:02.840]  To assault the officer with because it's locked
[56:02.840 --> 56:03.840]  Right
[56:03.840 --> 56:09.840]  So any claim that he's doing that for his safety is out the window
[56:09.840 --> 56:11.840]  Because it was locked
[56:11.840 --> 56:14.840]  Exactly
[56:14.840 --> 56:18.840]  Well now, why couldn't I have quickly unlocked it
[56:18.840 --> 56:21.840]  And gotten out my dagger or something and gone after him
[56:21.840 --> 56:22.840]  Because he could shoot
[56:22.840 --> 56:25.840]  Because when you quickly started unlocking your car
[56:25.840 --> 56:28.840]  That would be a suspicious act and he would have plenty of time
[56:28.840 --> 56:30.840]  To pull his revolver
[56:30.840 --> 56:32.840]  Yeah
[56:32.840 --> 56:36.840]  You couldn't just surreptitiously reach down beside the seat
[56:36.840 --> 56:39.840]  And come up with a weapon and shoot him through the door
[56:39.840 --> 56:41.840]  Before he knew you had it
[56:41.840 --> 56:42.840]  Yeah
[56:42.840 --> 56:44.840]  So you're outside, we're in plain sight
[56:44.840 --> 56:46.840]  So all that stuff goes away
[56:46.840 --> 56:50.840]  And that's why they want you to stay in the car
[56:50.840 --> 56:52.840]  So they can search it
[56:52.840 --> 56:53.840]  Right
[56:53.840 --> 56:58.840]  But he searched it after he told me to step out of the car
[56:58.840 --> 57:02.840]  Proceeded to pat me down and then asked for my keys after the pat down
[57:02.840 --> 57:04.840]  I don't know if that's relevant or not
[57:04.840 --> 57:06.840]  But that was the order of events
[57:06.840 --> 57:08.840]  That's extremely relevant
[57:08.840 --> 57:13.840]  My point here, I wasn't trying to find a way to justify what the police is doing
[57:13.840 --> 57:14.840]  Oh, I understand
[57:14.840 --> 57:20.840]  I'm trying to find the complaint that will be the most onerous for the policemen
[57:20.840 --> 57:22.840]  I understand
[57:22.840 --> 57:26.840]  One for which he will have the least argument
[57:26.840 --> 57:33.840]  He can argue, well, I might have had a dagger stuck in his belt and he could have stuck me with it
[57:33.840 --> 57:38.840]  Well, Randy, if we're on the argument that he screwed up by searching the car
[57:38.840 --> 57:41.840]  Now we're dealing with fruit of the poison tree
[57:41.840 --> 57:42.840]  Yes, we are
[57:42.840 --> 57:46.840]  All right, so from that point on, the entire stop is false
[57:46.840 --> 57:48.840]  True or correct or incorrect
[57:48.840 --> 57:50.840]  Yes, it's false from the beginning
[57:50.840 --> 57:54.840]  Okay, now why are we not also dealing with aggravated assault?
[57:54.840 --> 57:56.840]  That was where I was going
[57:56.840 --> 57:59.840]  I was going to say, aggravated assault, sexual assault
[57:59.840 --> 58:01.840]  That's the one I wanted to get to
[58:01.840 --> 58:02.840]  Yeah
[58:02.840 --> 58:07.840]  That's why I was wanting to put away the minor ones so I could hammer him with the big one
[58:07.840 --> 58:13.840]  All right, well, listen, we're at the top of the hour, Charles
[58:13.840 --> 58:15.840]  What would you have me do?
[58:15.840 --> 58:21.840]  I mean, I'm of course more than willing to give deference to all the other people and I can call back at another evening
[58:21.840 --> 58:24.840]  No, hang on, when we come back, I'll go into that
[58:24.840 --> 58:26.840]  Yeah, we'll finish up with you on the other side
[58:26.840 --> 58:27.840]  Callers
[58:27.840 --> 58:29.840]  Is that you playing the fiddle, Deb?
[58:29.840 --> 58:32.840]  That's actually Jerry
[58:32.840 --> 58:34.840]  This is a good song, by the way
[58:34.840 --> 58:39.840]  Thank you, it's a traditional Celtic song, it's called Rocky Road to Dublin
[58:39.840 --> 58:44.840]  And we made it into a new song called Rocky Road to Dubland
[58:44.840 --> 58:48.840]  Dubland for reggae, reggae dub
[58:48.840 --> 58:53.840]  So just hang on the line and we will finish up with you on the other side, Charles
[58:53.840 --> 59:15.840]  This is a rule of law
[59:23.840 --> 59:33.840]  This is a rule of law
[59:53.840 --> 01:00:04.840]  You are listening to the rule of law radio network at ruleoflawradio.com
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[01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:52.840]  Okay, we are back, our two of the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
[01:00:52.840 --> 01:01:01.840]  We're speaking with Charles in Texas, so Randy, go ahead concerning the charges that need to be filed against this rogue
[01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:14.840]  Okay, yeah, the place I was moving toward is having done a lot of this, it's clear I get far more potential allegations than I could ever get to
[01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:18.840]  So I want to be artful in how I choose them
[01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:25.840]  I complain about the pat down and the indignity of it
[01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:31.840]  But I don't raise that so much directly as indirectly
[01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.840]  What I do raise is I had to suffer all of this insult and indignity
[01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:44.840]  Because this man while violating law was standing there with a loaded pistol on his hip
[01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:53.840]  And from all appearances and past history of local police officers, he is more than willing to pull it and shoot me with it
[01:01:53.840 --> 01:02:01.840]  So I have to tolerate anything he does because he's got that loaded pistol, he's displaying it in plain sight while he's committing a crime
[01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:08.840]  And that's first degree felony aggravated assault
[01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:24.840]  Yes, it's not, the officials like to talk about police brutality, there is no such crime or action defined by any law in the state of Texas
[01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:31.840]  It's not defined anywhere, it's a word they made up to distract us from the real issue
[01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:36.840]  The real crime is aggravated assault, first degree felony
[01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:43.840]  So are you saying that he committed it when he did what?
[01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:51.840]  When he violated a law relating to his office while displaying a deadly weapon
[01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:56.840]  The aggravated assault, but you're referring specifically to the pat down, right?
[01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:01.840]  Pat down is offensive touching, assault by definition
[01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:08.840]  But where was the act of aggravated assault completed by the officer at one point?
[01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:14.840]  20.04, Code of Criminal Penal Code
[01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:20.840]  If a person commits assault as defined by 20.03
[01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:21.840]  Okay
[01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:30.840]  And the person is displaying a deadly weapon, that's aggravated assault
[01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:38.840]  However, under 20.04, B2A
[01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:49.840]  If the person is a public official acting under color of official authority, it is a first degree felony
[01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:58.840]  Because the whole thing is colored by his need to deal with the situation, of course
[01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:05.840]  Well, his problem is he has to follow all the law, if he doesn't, he's screwed
[01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.840]  Screws versus U.S.
[01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:13.840]  He knows the law, it may not be presumed he does not
[01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:21.840]  He knew when he patted you down without articulatable probable cause to believe you were carrying a deadly weapon
[01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:23.840]  That he was in violation of law
[01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:29.840]  And when he violated law, he lost all official authority, became a trespasser, ab initio from the beginning
[01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:31.840]  And all his acts are defeated
[01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:36.840]  Now, Randy, do you think it would be a good idea for someone in this situation to call 911?
[01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.840]  I do it all the time
[01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:43.840]  There's nothing more fun than calling 911 on the police
[01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:49.840]  I could be calling 911 and saying I need help because there's somebody here with a gun that's trying to touch me
[01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.840]  Somebody with a gun that's trying to assault me
[01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:58.840]  I was talking on the phone to Deb and Jeff Davis
[01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.840]  They were doing a TV show
[01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.840]  I was going to do an interview with Deborah
[01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:08.840]  And I took out my phone to call 911 on an Austin police officer
[01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.840]  And he slapped it out of my hand and cuffed me
[01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.840]  So I couldn't call 911
[01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.840]  Just because I called him a jackass
[01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:22.840]  I was talking to Jeff on the phone or someone on the phone
[01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:24.840]  And I told him there's a jackass policeman over here
[01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.840]  And he took offense to that
[01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.840]  They got no sense of humor
[01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.840]  But yeah, I like to call 911 on them
[01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.840]  And it's good for you to do that
[01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:42.840]  Because your 911 calls are recorded
[01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:44.840]  They don't go away
[01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:49.840]  First degree felony assault is defined in 20.04
[01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.840]  And no, it's defined in 20.03
[01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.840]  But this is of the penal code, correct?
[01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:58.840]  No, no, yeah, penal code is 20.04
[01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:02.840]  20.03 might be 20.02
[01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.840]  I think 20.03 defines simple assault
[01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:07.840]  Okay
[01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.840]  20.04 defines aggravated assault
[01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:12.840]  Okay
[01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:17.840]  If you commit assault and cause grievous bodily injury
[01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.840]  Then that's aggravated assault
[01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:24.840]  If you commit assault whilst displaying a deadly weapon
[01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:26.840]  That's aggravated assault
[01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.840]  Yeah, and Randy, in regards to what happened to you in your case
[01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.840]  What would be the charge that you would levy against this rogue
[01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:36.840]  For interfering with a 911 call?
[01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.840]  What's the charge for interfering with a 911 call?
[01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:43.840]  There's a specific statute that makes it a crime to interfere with a 911 call
[01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.840]  Is it a felony or is it a misdemeanor or what?
[01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.840]  I think it's a misdemeanor
[01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:48.840]  I haven't read it in a long time
[01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:50.840]  Okay, well then that's just something else you can add on
[01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:53.840]  It's either a pass-take misdemeanor or a state jail felony
[01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:54.840]  It's one of those two
[01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:58.840]  All right, well see, that's just another thing you can add on to the list
[01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:00.840]  Yeah, see, that's not intended for the police
[01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:06.840]  It's intended for a person who sees a crime, does 911
[01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.840]  And the criminal tries to stop him
[01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.840]  Okay, so it is intended for the police
[01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.840]  Yeah, so it fits the police
[01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:18.840]  Yeah, the police are the criminals
[01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:28.840]  Yeah, it's really frustrating and disconcerting to realize how criminal the police really are
[01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.840]  Even when they don't mean to be
[01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:33.840]  Just by following policy
[01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:40.840]  Yeah, and then have the audacity to do the Nazi thing and say I'm just following orders
[01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.840]  Well, one of you all mentioned last night that that is perhaps
[01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:51.840]  You know, people can decry tyranny in the District of Columbia and that's one thing
[01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:54.840]  But people are a lot more afraid to decry
[01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:56.840]  Decry, that's probably the more right one
[01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:00.840]  The tyranny right there before their eyes that they see every day
[01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.840]  Which is within the municipalities, particularly the police
[01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:05.840]  Exactly
[01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:13.840]  Because it's like you can have a little cognitive dissonance about yourself for what goes on in DC
[01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.840]  But it's, you know, you really have to have a lot
[01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:22.840]  Or you have to totally tune your mind out and totally turn a blind eye to
[01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:28.840]  I mean, everybody knows that the police do what they do for revenue enhancement
[01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:35.840]  Bottom line, you know, anyone who says differently is probably just a real, a liar or a moron
[01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:36.840]  But
[01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:41.840]  Now wait, don't get too hard on everybody else
[01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:47.840]  No, I'm just saying the majority of, it's my opinion that a majority of we the people
[01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:56.840]  Would give our approval of the expression of the sentiment that the police pull people over for revenue enhancement
[01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:59.840]  Which is, you know, which is like an armed, what is it?
[01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:03.840]  That's aggravated assault in itself or I don't know what the charge would be
[01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:05.840]  Armed robbery
[01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:07.840]  Armed robbery, that's it
[01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:14.840]  But we're afraid to say that because good gosh, you know, if you say that and you're living in it
[01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:20.840]  Then you have a choice, you can either pretend that this evil is going to continue
[01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:24.840]  Or, you know, you can recognize that or you can turn a blind eye
[01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.840]  Wait a minute, you're a teacher?
[01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:29.840]  I'm a substitute teacher
[01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.840]  I got in trouble a lot when I was a full-time teacher
[01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:35.840]  Okay, you might not like this part
[01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:45.840]  I think I understand why this condition exists, why people tolerate the injustice they see around them
[01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:51.840]  We put our children through 12 years of government mandated school system
[01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:57.840]  That kills every single desire to learn and read a book, it kills them
[01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:04.840]  Okay, we put them through this and under House Bill 72, the Education Reform Act
[01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:11.840]  It was touted as an act to eliminate social promotions
[01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:14.840]  The second part of the act said there shall be no social promotion
[01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.840]  The grades shall reflect demonstrated mastery of subject matter
[01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.840]  The first part, which nobody ever talked about
[01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:27.840]  Said the school shall instill in the child a deep and abiding faith in and respect for the American form of government
[01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:29.840]  And they do that
[01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:32.840]  However, they do something else
[01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:37.840]  They tell the children what a great and wonderful country they live in
[01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:45.840]  They demonstrate to them all of these great and unalienable rights that all these children have
[01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.840]  While at the same time, they very clearly demonstrate to them
[01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:56.840]  Don't even think of trying to express one of those rights while you're in this school
[01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:02.840]  The full weight of the system will fall right on your heads
[01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:07.840]  We put our children through 12 years of that hypocrisy
[01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:13.840]  And when they get out into the real world, all of a sudden we expect them to become empowered citizens
[01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.840]  What do we expect?
[01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:20.840]  Well, we may expect it, but certainly the government and the people orchestrating all of this do not expect it
[01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:25.840]  They absolutely intend the outcome that they are receiving
[01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:27.840]  Exactly
[01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:33.840]  So there are a few of us, and Charles, I suspect you're one of us
[01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:41.840]  That were put here on this planet in this place at this time for this purpose
[01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.840]  I'm here for this purpose
[01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:47.840]  I realize that the vast majority of the public are not here for this purpose
[01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.840]  They have other purposes
[01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:54.840]  And I give them credit for the purpose they're here to follow
[01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:59.840]  Mine is to fix this problem
[01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.840]  And I hope you're one of us
[01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:06.840]  It won't take one in 500 will get it done
[01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:14.840]  Those few who are willing to stand up and actually say the emperor has no clothes
[01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:19.840]  Those are the ones that keep the system straight
[01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:21.840]  Okay, well listen, do we have anything else for Charles?
[01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:24.840]  Our callers are really starting to stack up
[01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:28.840]  Y'all, I appreciate your time and your effort and your consideration
[01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:32.840]  This is only my second show, but I'll be sure to catch more of them
[01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:37.840]  Okay, great, and we do have the archives for free download on ruleoflawradio.com
[01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.840]  Keep listening, keep calling in
[01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.840]  All of these pieces will begin to fit together
[01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.840]  There is a lot you can do, you have no idea yet
[01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:49.840]  And we haven't had time to go through all of the things you can do
[01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:52.840]  But we have lots of tools to beat the crapola out of them
[01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.840]  And this is a minor thing, you didn't even get charged
[01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:59.840]  So you can beat them up with impunity
[01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:03.840]  It's an opportunity to get a real good education
[01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:11.840]  And help educate this officer in how to be a good policeman
[01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:13.840]  Whether he likes it or not
[01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.840]  Or at the very least how to be unemployed
[01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:19.840]  Yeah, really
[01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:21.840]  Okay, thank you so much, Charles
[01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:22.840]  Thanks a lot
[01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:26.840]  Okay, it looks like Randy Raylor is still on the line
[01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:27.840]  Let me go back to Randy
[01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.840]  Randy, did you have anything else to add?
[01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.840]  Yeah, just one quick thing about the admiralty
[01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:40.840]  I sent, Randy, I sent you a link to an article on find law
[01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:42.840]  About admiralty
[01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:43.840]  Yes
[01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:46.840]  And there's several things in there
[01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:49.840]  But there's two things that kind of strike me
[01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.840]  The one quote says, the general system of maritime law
[01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.840]  Which was familiar to the lawyers and statesmen of the country
[01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:58.840]  When the Constitution was adopted
[01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:00.840]  Was most certainly intended and referred to
[01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.840]  When it was declared in that instrument
[01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.840]  That the judicial power of the United States
[01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:09.840]  Shall extend to all cases of admiralty in maritime jurisdiction
[01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.840]  But by what criterion are we to ascertain
[01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:16.840]  The precise limits of the law thus adopted?
[01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:20.840]  The Constitution does not define it
[01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:23.840]  Right, and the courts have
[01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:27.840]  Well, the second thing says the law administered by the federal courts and admiralty
[01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:32.840]  Is therefore an analgam of the general maritime law
[01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.840]  Insofar as it is acceptable to the courts
[01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.840]  Modifications of that law by congressional amendment
[01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:42.840]  The common law of torts and contracts
[01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.840]  As modified to the extent constitutionally possible
[01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.840]  By state legislation and international prize law
[01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.840]  This body of law is at all times subject to modification
[01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:56.840]  By the paramount authority of Congress acting in pursuance of its powers
[01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.840]  Under admiralty and maritime clause
[01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:01.840]  And the necessary and proper clause
[01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:03.840]  And no doubt, the commerce clause
[01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:06.840]  Now that the court's interpretation of that clause
[01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:09.840]  Has become so expansive of this power
[01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:15.840]  There has been a uniform agreement among the justices of the court
[01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:17.840]  Kind of leaves it pretty wide open
[01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:19.840]  Yeah, that's what I thought, uniform agreement
[01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.840]  But he didn't say what that agreement was
[01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:23.840]  Anyway
[01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:24.840]  Through everybody
[01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.840]  Yeah
[01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:29.840]  Just thought you might want to look at that too
[01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:31.840]  And hopefully we can, you can get Robinson on
[01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.840]  And we can get some clarification
[01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:37.840]  Okay, I hope to be caught up with my heavy work
[01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:41.840]  By sometime in the morning
[01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:45.840]  I actually put together a program, I put together a file
[01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.840]  I'll load on the website
[01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.840]  That if you go to Office Depot
[01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.840]  And take one of these green cards
[01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:59.840]  That you use for return receipt
[01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:04.840]  Take that with you, they've got a paper that almost matches it
[01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:08.840]  Get that paper and get this template
[01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:13.840]  It's a Microsoft Word template
[01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:18.840]  You download the template and load it where Word saves its templates
[01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:23.840]  If you're in 2007
[01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:28.840]  You open the template from the website and then hit
[01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:31.840]  File, save as
[01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:36.840]  Save as a template and it'll give you a place to put it in trusted documents
[01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:40.840]  And I'll explain the rest of it when we get back from break
[01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.840]  This will let you print your own green cards
[01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.840]  Green cards, you mean return receipt cards
[01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:49.840]  Return receipt cards, right
[01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:51.840]  This has nothing to do with immigration
[01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:53.840]  Alright, we'll be right back, we'll be right back
[01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:58.840]  We're going to take more of your calls on the other side
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[01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:28.840]  We were born before the wind, also younger than the sun
[01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:38.840]  And the bonnie boat was one as we sailed into the misty
[01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:51.840]  Oh, I cannot hear the singers cry, smell the sea and feel the sky
[01:18:51.840 --> 01:19:02.840]  Let your soul and spirit fly into the misty
[01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:14.840]  Where that fall corn blows, I will be coming home
[01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:21.840]  And when the fall corn blows, I want to hear it
[01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:31.840]  I don't have the fear that I want to rock your gypsy soul
[01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:36.840]  Just like way back in the days of old
[01:19:36.840 --> 01:20:05.840]  But now suddenly we will fall into the misty
[01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:22.840]  Where that fall corn blows, you know I will be coming home
[01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:37.840]  And when that fall corn blows, I got to hear it, I don't have the fear that I want to rock your gypsy soul
[01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:43.840]  Just like way back in the days of old
[01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:57.840]  But now suddenly we will fall into the misty
[01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:15.840]  Hey, how's it going?
[01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:17.840]  Rick, you got a lot of background noise.
[01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:19.840]  Yeah, can you hear me now?
[01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:21.840]  It's a little better, yeah, thanks.
[01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:32.840]  Okay. I'm calling because I'm kind of stuck here. I don't know what to do now.
[01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:39.840]  I had gotten three tickets, two no registration, one talking on the cell phone, whatever.
[01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:45.840]  And of course this is in the traffic court, it's a crime, but there's no criminal complaint filed ever.
[01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:51.840]  So I filed a motion to dismiss, I believe I called Ranny, the judge dismissed it.
[01:21:51.840 --> 01:22:00.840]  I didn't have time to file a motion for finding the conclusions of facts or findings of the facts or whatever you call it.
[01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:13.840]  The point is that I have a motion to abstain, and I also filed an affidavit saying that I accept a vote of office and all affirmations.
[01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:22.840]  And I also filed a bit of press page showing that if they want me to pay with any kind of Federal Reserve notes, the violation of the U.S. Constitution.
[01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:34.840]  And so how they would want me to pay with is something but similar to those, and I explained that it was extortion, it was threats, and there was obviously fraud.
[01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:43.840]  So he asked me today, because it was a bail hearing, what I wanted to please, and I said I filed paperwork.
[01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.840]  He said, well, that's fine, but before we get into that, what are you going to please?
[01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.840]  And I said, well, sir, I filed paperwork.
[01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:55.840]  So we went about this for five minutes, and then he said, well, I'm going to let some other people go.
[01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:57.840]  I got pretty much slapped with him, and we're still walking in.
[01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:03.840]  One story short, and we did this for half an hour, and he told me, what do you want to please?
[01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:05.840]  It's either you're guilty or you're not guilty.
[01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:07.840]  I said, well, sir, there is no controversy here.
[01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.840]  There's no criminal complaint filed.
[01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:12.840]  What am I going to please do?
[01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:17.840]  And so he said, well, I can't hear your motion until you plead something.
[01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:21.840]  And I understood what he was saying, but at the same time, I'm not trying to please not guilty,
[01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:25.840]  because then I would be creating controversy.
[01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.840]  Did you have a motion that challenged the jurisdiction?
[01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:31.840]  That's exactly what it is.
[01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:34.840]  Then he must hear that motion first.
[01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:37.840]  That's not what he said, and that's exactly what I said.
[01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:43.840]  But unfortunately, today, out of all days, I couldn't find my recorder nor my cell phone,
[01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:47.840]  so I didn't record it, and that was the frustrating part.
[01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:54.840]  But he said, I'm not going to hear this until you plead guilty.
[01:23:54.840 --> 01:24:00.840]  And he said, are you guilty either yes or no?
[01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.840]  And I said, sir, everything I have to say is in my paperwork.
[01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:09.840]  So he got upset, and a long story short, he said, well, you're going to have to come back on Monday.
[01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:13.840]  I said, I got court in Monday in Glendale.
[01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:17.840]  He said, well, it sounds like you're going to have a court to appear at one of the courts,
[01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:20.840]  and I want you to be here at 830 in the morning,
[01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:25.840]  because obviously Glendale only has traffic court in the morning.
[01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:30.840]  And so it's not a coincidence that he said that, because I told him I had to be there in the morning.
[01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:32.840]  But I said, well, I object.
[01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:34.840]  And that's when he said, what are you objecting to?
[01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:37.840]  And I said, I object for the record, and I just walked out.
[01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:40.840]  I don't think I'm going to entertain any more silliness and stuff.
[01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.840]  So he was actually very patient.
[01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:44.840]  I'm not saying he wasn't.
[01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:49.840]  But I kind of saw and I kind of can see more or less now what they try to do.
[01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:55.840]  And what they try to do is they say, if you file a motion challenging jurisdiction, in my opinion,
[01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:57.840]  and you're saying that there is no controversy,
[01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:03.840]  saying it did not release a claim where we could be granted,
[01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:05.840]  which is obviously he's talking to the client.
[01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.840]  I'm asking, where's the criminal complaint?
[01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:09.840]  Where's the injury?
[01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:10.840]  And all this other stuff.
[01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:15.840]  But I tried his jurisdiction, and he still said, they're not offended here.
[01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:20.840]  I have to see either yes or no.
[01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:23.840]  File a motion to disqualify.
[01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:24.840]  Okay.
[01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:28.840]  And I would file official oppression against him.
[01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:35.840]  He made it clear that he intentionally set a court date that he knew you could not meet
[01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:43.840]  because you had a conflicting court date so that he could file charges against you.
[01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:48.840]  And if it's an actual judge, go with the judicial misconduct complaint as well.
[01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:51.840]  Unfortunately, he's a commissioner.
[01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.840]  Then hear the election of official duty.
[01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:56.840]  Okay.
[01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:57.840]  Go after him.
[01:25:57.840 --> 01:25:58.840]  Okay.
[01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:04.840]  If he made it clear in court that he was setting this time knowing you couldn't be there,
[01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:11.840]  then this is, well, let me think.
[01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:16.840]  He was clearly setting this up so he could file a criminal charge.
[01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:17.840]  Right.
[01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.840]  All of a sudden, I'm brain dead.
[01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:23.840]  That's official oppression at the very least.
[01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.840]  Right, and I have a feeling that that's why he did it, obviously, because he said,
[01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:32.840]  well, it sounds like he didn't have a criminal experience in the court.
[01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:35.840]  And he said, and it better not be this one.
[01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:37.840]  And I just, like, decided, well, I object.
[01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.840]  You know, I'm not going to, I'm not dealing with it.
[01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:43.840]  And so, you know, but he kept the money.
[01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:45.840]  He said it's that simple.
[01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:48.840]  He said, you say you're guilty or you're not guilty.
[01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:51.840]  And obviously, he filed these motions, so you're trying to say that you're not guilty.
[01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:58.840]  I said, well, sir, I said, before I can answer that, I need to have some kind of evidence that there is a complaint filed.
[01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:02.840]  I told him, I can't believe something that's not there.
[01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:06.840]  And he said, if you're telling me to be guilty or not guilty, how can I please?
[01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:08.840]  I will be lying, sir.
[01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:10.840]  And that's when he got more upset.
[01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:12.840]  He goes, well, you don't see these cases here?
[01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:13.840]  This is a complaint.
[01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.840]  I said, no, it's not, sir.
[01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:21.840]  File criminal charges against him, that will get him even more upset.
[01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:22.840]  Nice.
[01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:24.840]  What criminal charges would that be?
[01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:36.840]  Because I'm going to email it to you, which shows that if you want me to play with federal reserve notes, I'm going to, you know, make sure you think that it has to do with the Constitution.
[01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:45.840]  You know, because this was a barrel hearing, that's why I filed this writ of press to pay, which I don't even know if I should have filed it there, but the point is I did.
[01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:59.840]  And saying, if you want me to pay bail, you know, obviously, before I've been found guilty for a crime that I, you know, found me accused of, I'm going to pay for something, first of all, that I haven't been found guilty,
[01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:12.840]  and second, that it mostly sticks with that I have to pay with something besides doing service, and I can email that to you so you can see what it talks about, and that's why I'm doing a motion for that.
[01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:26.840]  I even gave a proposed order for him to sign it, saying that yes, that the Constitution does not apply to that court or him, or that his oath would not be violated if he goes against the Constitution.
[01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.840]  So he didn't sign anything, and he was just trying to get me to...
[01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:31.840]  Then file criminal charges against him.
[01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.840]  That's the best way.
[01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:34.840]  Which one?
[01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:36.840]  What criminal charges would it be?
[01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:37.840]  Official oppression.
[01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:38.840]  Official oppression.
[01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:39.840]  Is that in California?
[01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:41.840]  Because I was looking at California...
[01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:42.840]  Oh, every state has it.
[01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:45.840]  I'm sure California has it.
[01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.840]  It follows 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:54.840]  So every state will have a version of it.
[01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:57.840]  Official misconduct or official oppression?
[01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:00.840]  Some states call it official misconduct.
[01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:03.840]  And I would file this from the court?
[01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:04.840]  No.
[01:29:04.840 --> 01:29:09.840]  You file that with the district attorney or the grand jury.
[01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:22.840]  You file it with the grand jury and then move for a continuance and move to disqualify the judge for cause and move for a continuance until the criminal complaints against the judge can be heard
[01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:33.840]  and because you may well, if your complaints are heard, you can remove him for warrant hold.
[01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:38.840]  Would it be inappropriate for him to hear the case since he has criminal charges against him?
[01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:39.840]  Yes.
[01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:44.840]  File criminal charges against him first and then a motion to disqualify.
[01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:46.840]  Okay. Thank you.
[01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.840]  Okay. Do you have anything else, Rick?
[01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.840]  You guys are awesome and I'll read this and thank you guys.
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[01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:14.840]  Rule of law, Ray Kelton, Deborah Stevens and Eddie Craig.
[01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.840]  We're here taking calls tonight.
[01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.840]  What's the hour? Whoa. Randy, are you there?
[01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:22.840]  I'm here.
[01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:23.840]  Okay. All right.
[01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:27.840]  Sound like there's some background noise on your end.
[01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:31.840]  Okay. We're going to go to George in Texas.
[01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:32.840]  George, thanks for calling in.
[01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.840]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:36.840]  Hello?
[01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:38.840]  Yes. What's on your mind, George?
[01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:39.840]  Can you hear me?
[01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:40.840]  Yes.
[01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:45.840]  I know I heard the same answer from Randy, but I want to get it from the other guy.
[01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:52.840]  About the yellow fringe flag, is that supposed to be symbolizing Admiralty Court?
[01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:59.840]  All you have to do is look at what the federal directives are on the display of the American flag.
[01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:06.840]  That is in the presidential executive orders that deals with the display of the American flag.
[01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:10.840]  It is law as to what it is and how it's to be used.
[01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.840]  And how is the yellow fringe flag supposed to be used?
[01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:16.840]  It's a ceremonial flag.
[01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:20.840]  Toilet paper.
[01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:23.840]  Oh, that's it.
[01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:28.840]  The yellow fringe, according to what I've read, is a ceremonial flag.
[01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:34.840]  But a lot of people use it to show a different jurisdiction in court is the theory behind it.
[01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:39.840]  But I don't see anything in the information regarding the display of the American flag
[01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:44.840]  that would leave one to say that that's a statutory requirement.
[01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:48.840]  Well, I just hope our caller can sort of get his take on it.
[01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:54.840]  And it's just I've never really seen it as a really big problem because military, it's a decorative flag.
[01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:55.840]  You know what I mean?
[01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:56.840]  Right.
[01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:02.840]  Yeah, and 14 years in the military, we had gold fringe flags all over the place,
[01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:05.840]  but they were always on display during ceremony.
[01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:13.840]  They are not the ones that are flown on the actual post outside under any circumstances.
[01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:18.840]  They are not ones that are flown for public display under any circumstances.
[01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:22.840]  Those are for indoor ceremonial purposes.
[01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:23.840]  Okay.
[01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:24.840]  All right.
[01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:32.840]  Another issue, Randy, I walked away from my job because they were going to fire me anyway
[01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:43.840]  because I got accused of racism because I gave the Obama deception CD on my all-time at work to a coworker
[01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:49.840]  because another coworker saw what I was doing and considered it racism.
[01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:54.840]  And when a manager says, you want to talk to you, you should cooperate and talk.
[01:34:54.840 --> 01:34:58.840]  And I just said, I'm not going to make any statements because any word I use against you,
[01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.840]  any word I say, you're going to turn around and use against me.
[01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:05.840]  The reason why you want me to talk is because you've got nothing you can use.
[01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:15.840]  And this is the same company that wants you to waive your right to a jury trial to be employed by them.
[01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:21.840]  Well, you can sign the waiver, but it doesn't mean anything.
[01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:24.840]  Because there has to be an actual trial for you to waive a trial by jury.
[01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:32.840]  Right. You can't waive a trial by jury in a contract.
[01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:34.840]  That's horse poop.
[01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:42.840]  But like I say, if I let them fire me because I would not talk, can I use that against them too?
[01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:45.840]  Absolutely.
[01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:50.840]  You know, if they're firing you for handing out the Obama deception.
[01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:54.840]  It was on my off time. It wasn't on company time.
[01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:56.840]  It was me and another co-worker on the property.
[01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:58.840]  We were getting cigarettes and gas.
[01:35:58.840 --> 01:35:59.840]  You know, it was on our off time.
[01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:01.840]  We were both off duty.
[01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:03.840]  We weren't on company time.
[01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:13.840]  It violates free speech, political expression, and right of association.
[01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:14.840]  So I shouldn't have quit.
[01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:16.840]  I should have let them fire me.
[01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:21.840]  Yeah, if they had fired you over that, then that would have been a big fall pile on their part.
[01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:24.840]  You could have gone after them big time.
[01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:25.840]  Oh.
[01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:30.840]  Next time they do that, I'll let them fire me first.
[01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:32.840]  Then they'll say, you're going to be sued.
[01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:34.840]  So your employer could have –
[01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:37.840]  Absolutely. Make them fire you.
[01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:44.840]  And like I say, we're not under any – like I say, no matter if it's sexual harassment or anything,
[01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:46.840]  we do not have to talk.
[01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:58.840]  You still may have grounds to sue if you were put in a position of where – that you had to quit
[01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:04.840]  because what they were doing made it impossible for you to continue to work.
[01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:06.840]  Then that's perfectly fine.
[01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:10.840]  Well, basically the thing is, the reason I quit
[01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:17.840]  was because it was becoming a hostile work environment, basically.
[01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:20.840]  Well, that would sound hostile to me from what you're describing.
[01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:23.840]  Because I'm just the only guy that worked there.
[01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:29.840]  And no pun against you, Deborah, but all women that just love to talk,
[01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:32.840]  and they're all on a first-name basis with the people in the town,
[01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:36.840]  and they sort of like colluded and I tell them personal information.
[01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:42.840]  I say – I try to mind my own business at work, and it's just like – it's just very hostile.
[01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:46.840]  That's funny, George, because every work environment I've been in, it's been the exact opposite.
[01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:50.840]  It's been the men that have done that.
[01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:52.840]  Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
[01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:56.840]  Well, the point that I'm trying to make is that everyone does it, okay?
[01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:00.840]  Not everyone, but everyone – it doesn't matter whether you're male or female.
[01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:04.840]  So that's just not really relevant to me.
[01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:08.840]  Because men do it, women do it, so you can't say that.
[01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:15.840]  I mean, you can say whatever you want, but I'm just saying that it's not relevant.
[01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:21.840]  It's just not relevant because it happens all the time, everywhere, whether people are male or female.
[01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.840]  So that's just not even worth bringing into the conversation, really.
[01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:27.840]  Well, you know, the thing is, it's more like it was so easy at work,
[01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:32.840]  because even some of the lady employees would sit there, rub my shoulder, rub the back,
[01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:34.840]  give me a massage and all that stuff.
[01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:37.840]  You know, and I can always come back, because everything's on camera.
[01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:41.840]  Yeah, well, tell them you want that request in writing.
[01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:42.840]  What's that?
[01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:45.840]  Tell them you want those types of requests in writing.
[01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:49.840]  Oh, well, like I said, but I can always go with sexual harassment, you know what I mean,
[01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:52.840]  being touched against my will or something like that.
[01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:54.840]  But I'm not going to do that, because you want to know why.
[01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:59.840]  It's frivolous, it's stupid, and it goes against all common sense.
[01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.840]  And it was just, I mean, when people did that or touched me inappropriately, I just say,
[01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:05.840]  please, do you mind, you know what I mean?
[01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:06.840]  That's all you have to do.
[01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:08.840]  You don't have to go make it a big lawsuit.
[01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:13.840]  But like I say, but you know, as far as like the employer, like I say, wanting me to talk,
[01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:14.840]  I just said, I ain't going to make no statements.
[01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:18.840]  I should have let them fire me, regardless of what it is, you know what I mean?
[01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:20.840]  Yeah, you should have let them fire you.
[01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:22.840]  You'd have been in a better position.
[01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:32.840]  But even so, you still may be in a position from harassment that you were in an untenable work environment.
[01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:37.840]  Well, it's just the thing is, it's more like one of the customers came in and sort of like,
[01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:42.840]  and started, you know, started getting very verbally abusive.
[01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:43.840]  And guess what?
[01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:46.840]  The boss jumps on his side, and it's like, I didn't do nothing wrong.
[01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:54.840]  And that was the reason why, because the manager I had, the customer could be a vile drunk,
[01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:57.840]  and she'll jump on that side and say, well, the customer's always right, always right,
[01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:01.840]  knowing that that customer verbally abused one of her employees.
[01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:05.840]  And you know, it's just like I said, I am not, and besides, this employer I had,
[01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:06.840]  they don't carry workman's comp.
[01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:13.840]  And like I say, if I ever got hurt, and you know, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be stuck out in the cold.
[01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:21.840]  Like I said, that's why I walked, that's many reasons why I walked away.
[01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:25.840]  Wait, how do they get by without carrying workman's comp?
[01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:26.840]  I don't know.
[01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:29.840]  Are they incorporated?
[01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:30.840]  Yeah.
[01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:33.840]  They have to have it then.
[01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:35.840]  They have to have it?
[01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:40.840]  Yeah, the corporation in Texas, that's one of the mandates for being chartered as a corporation.
[01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:46.840]  And that's by the state and federal laws regarding workman's compensation and so on and so forth.
[01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:51.840]  Well, they don't, I mean, I got the picture of them saying, we don't carry workman's comp.
[01:40:51.840 --> 01:41:01.840]  Now, the only thing, be aware, that does not apply to corporations under a certain size or for nonprofit under a certain size.
[01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:03.840]  Well, they have 700 employees.
[01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.840]  Well, I'd say that exceeds a certain size then.
[01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:08.840]  Ah.
[01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:17.840]  There is a chance that they're lying to you about workman's comp just to keep you from claiming it.
[01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:21.840]  You should claim it anyway.
[01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:26.840]  Yeah, remember, they have to match funds on the workman's comp.
[01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:37.840]  So if you apply for workman's comp and they're not carrying it, you might wind up dropping the sky on them.
[01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:38.840]  Ah.
[01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:42.840]  But her thing is one of the other employees, she hurt herself.
[01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:49.840]  She saw like one of the mats underneath the, one of the mats came out from underneath her feet and she injured her knee.
[01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:50.840]  And guess what?
[01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:52.840]  They denied her coverage.
[01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:56.840]  They brought an investigator and they looked at the surveillance footage and said, oh, you didn't hurt yourself.
[01:41:56.840 --> 01:41:58.840]  You're just faking it.
[01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:02.840]  And they wouldn't accept the second opinion from a doctor.
[01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:05.840]  They told her she had to get back to work.
[01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:12.840]  They weren't going to cover her.
[01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.840]  That could be a problem too.
[01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:16.840]  Okay.
[01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:19.840]  We're just kind of gossiping here.
[01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:22.840]  Do we have something specific?
[01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:25.840]  Well, I'll just say granny, keep up the good work.
[01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:33.840]  And like I say, if anybody tries to stick me with a vaccine in my arm, I'm going to dial 911 and say someone's trying to commit assault on me.
[01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:35.840]  Yeah, I would.
[01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.840]  Especially if it's got that swine flu vaccine in it.
[01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:40.840]  That might be a good idea.
[01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:43.840]  Well, I'll just leave you one word and I'm going to hang up.
[01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:49.840]  There's more UN dignitaries getting gonorrhea being double parked in front of the whorehouse in Manhattan than people getting the swine flu.
[01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:50.840]  No, no, no.
[01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:55.840]  They got it off the chaplain and the base commander got it off the toilet seat.
[01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:58.840]  Everybody else went downtown.
[01:42:58.840 --> 01:42:59.840]  All right.
[01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:03.840]  But God bless Randy.
[01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:05.840]  Okay, very good.
[01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:06.840]  All right.
[01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:09.840]  We got a whole heap of callers on the line here.
[01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.840]  We're about to go to break.
[01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:15.840]  So I'm going to wait until we get on the other side of the break to take our calls.
[01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:21.840]  We've got Rodney, Steve Skidmore, Ron, Brian, Kenny, Kim, Joe, and others.
[01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:29.840]  So everyone just hang on the line because we are going to be taking all of your calls tonight here on the rule of law.
[01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:33.840]  We've got Eddie Craig, our traffic expert, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens.
[01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:56.840]  We'll be right back after this short break.
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[01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:19.840]  I'm broke, dude.
[01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.840]  We know Ja will tip back the scales.
[01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:23.840]  Okay.
[01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:27.840]  We are moving on to your calls, to the rest of the calls here.
[01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:29.840]  Whoa.
[01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:31.840]  Are you all there?
[01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:32.840]  Yes.
[01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:35.840]  Randy, are you there?
[01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:36.840]  I'm here.
[01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:37.840]  Okay.
[01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:38.840]  All right.
[01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:40.840]  Looks like we dropped a lost couple of callers here.
[01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:41.840]  All right.
[01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:45.840]  We're going to go on to – hold on one moment.
[01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:52.840]  We need to – looks like we lost the uplink to the caller bridge here.
[01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:55.840]  Just give me a minute while I get the caller bridge back up.
[01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:57.840]  Go ahead, guys.
[01:45:57.840 --> 01:45:58.840]  Okay.
[01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:02.840]  Let's talk about something very interesting.
[01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:03.840]  Go ahead.
[01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.840]  That was a lead in to you, Eddie.
[01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:08.840]  Well, gee, thanks for the appropriate notice.
[01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:09.840]  We're pros.
[01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:14.840]  We are professionals here, and we always have something to say no matter what happens,
[01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:18.840]  no matter what kind of catastrophe we have happens,
[01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:24.840]  we always have something to keep going because you can never have dead air.
[01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:25.840]  This is true.
[01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:33.840]  I was at the straw poll convention in Fort Worth, and we were – there were three of us on the mic.
[01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:40.840]  I was – Deborah and I were transmitting, and two other guys showed up from WTPRN.
[01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:45.840]  And with three people talking and all of you sitting in the same place,
[01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:51.840]  sometimes someone will say something and nobody knows how to respond.
[01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:57.840]  And we got one of those blank couple of seconds, and one of the guys said,
[01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:03.840]  dead air, I wanted to slap him out of his chair.
[01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:07.840]  We're all trying – waiting for the other person to respond.
[01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:16.840]  And instead of saying something intelligent, he just says he chastises both of us for not speaking by saying dead air.
[01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:17.840]  Okay.
[01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:19.840]  I think I got the caller board back up.
[01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:21.840]  Now, did I fill that space?
[01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:22.840]  Okay.
[01:47:22.840 --> 01:47:24.840]  But a lot of our callers dropped off the line.
[01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:28.840]  So callers, if you're out there listening, please call back in.
[01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:34.840]  We had a temporary difficulty with the call board here, but it looks like we got – we got the call board back up.
[01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:35.840]  So all right.
[01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:37.840]  We're going to go on now.
[01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:39.840]  We had Rodney from Texas.
[01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.840]  Rodney, if you'll call back in, we'll take you next.
[01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:47.840]  Right now we're going to go to Brian in Pencil – okay, there's Rodney.
[01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:48.840]  There he is.
[01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:49.840]  Hey, Rodney.
[01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:50.840]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:53.840]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:54.840]  Rodney?
[01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:55.840]  I don't see Rodney.
[01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:56.840]  Rodney?
[01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:58.840]  I don't see him on my page.
[01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.840]  Okay.
[01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:02.840]  Oh, there he is, down at the bottom.
[01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:06.840]  All right, but he's not there.
[01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:08.840]  Okay, let's try – let's try one more.
[01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:09.840]  Brian.
[01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:10.840]  Brian, go ahead.
[01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:14.840]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:15.840]  Okay.
[01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:17.840]  We may have a call bridge problem.
[01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:19.840]  Yeah, we may have a call bridge problem.
[01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:20.840]  Okay, let me try to take care of it.
[01:48:20.840 --> 01:48:21.840]  Go ahead, guys.
[01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:24.840]  Okay.
[01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:28.840]  I want to go back to the Maritime.
[01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:35.840]  What I'm looking for – and I'm hoping that – what I wanted to do today – and Debra didn't want me to because she's afraid I'd sound stupid.
[01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:37.840]  Whatever.
[01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:41.840]  And I may – I've done that before.
[01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:53.840]  Commercial is not my strong suit, and I want to get to it, but I've got so much going on, I haven't had time to sit down and study through it.
[01:48:53.840 --> 01:49:03.840]  If anybody out there is very well-versed on the difference between the public side and the private side,
[01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:20.840]  I'd very much like someone to call in and let's talk about how to function on the private side and the public side and how to know when, where – we are where.
[01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:29.840]  When I was in Pennsylvania, there was a lot of talk about private side and public side, and then I hear all of this talk about the straw man,
[01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:40.840]  and the way I see it, the straw man is really the public side, and the real man on the land is the private side.
[01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:48.840]  And Debra and I were talking about the metaphor, the straw man metaphor, and I wasn't crazy about the straw man metaphor.
[01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:50.840]  Oh, I like it.
[01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:52.840]  It makes a lot of sense to me.
[01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:56.840]  Well, this is another metaphor for the same thing, private side, public side.
[01:49:56.840 --> 01:50:00.840]  And for me, it makes it easier for me to understand what it's about.
[01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:12.840]  My private person stands over here separate, and then my public persona is in a different place and functions under a different set of rules.
[01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:29.840]  And when I listened to Joe Edwards, he clearly understood the difference because he came to the court from the private side and was reaching from arms-length into the public side.
[01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:31.840]  Well, maybe I can help a little with that, Randy.
[01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:32.840]  I know a little bit about it.
[01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:40.840]  And if anybody out there disagrees with this, I'm not an expert on this area, but I have some information about it, so chime in if you believe I'm wrong.
[01:50:40.840 --> 01:50:50.840]  But what I've seen is that when you're dealing with the private versus the public, private is basically any engagement between two of the sovereign people,
[01:50:50.840 --> 01:51:02.840]  whether it be by contract, by mutual agreement, however you want to put it, anything that you or I, Randy, do to interact with each other is absolutely private, okay?
[01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:07.840]  It doesn't matter if we're contracting or just relating in a friendly fashion, however.
[01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:22.840]  When we interact with a corporation or our public servants and we are telling them to exercise their authority that we granted to them on our behalf, then we've moved into the public arena.
[01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:28.840]  We are invoking a public contract with these legal entities.
[01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:38.840]  We're accepting some benefit or privilege from either an agreement or from a power that we've delegated to them and we expect them to act upon.
[01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:57.840]  Okay, when they talk about the straw mat, I understand that as a surrogate that is created as a legal fiction to represent the private person on the public side.
[01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:02.840]  Right, but see, the difference is who initiates the interaction.
[01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:08.840]  If we initiate it, we can reach out at arm's length, as your friend was stating.
[01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:16.840]  If they initiate it, they can only go against the public side, not the private, because that's the only place we've given them authority.
[01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:24.840]  So if the public servant side initiates it, it can only go against our public entity, our straw man, the person.
[01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:32.840]  Correct, because that's the only authority we ever delegated to them is to interact with us on that level.
[01:52:32.840 --> 01:52:35.840]  Otherwise, they have no interaction with us.
[01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:39.840]  How and where did we delegate that authority? Constitution?
[01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:41.840]  By electing them.
[01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:48.840]  We granted them certain powers and authorities under the Constitution by granting them the vote to elected office.
[01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:51.840]  Okay, then that goes back to the oath of office.
[01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:52.840]  Correct.
[01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:55.840]  That's a contract they enter into based on that oath of office.
[01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:56.840]  Correct.
[01:52:56.840 --> 01:52:58.840]  That's a public contract.
[01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:06.840]  Okay, they are required to obey it according to that description and agreement.
[01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:08.840]  Okay, we got the caller bridge back up.
[01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:09.840]  Do you guys want to take some calls?
[01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:10.840]  Yes.
[01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:10.840]  Sure.
[01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:12.840]  Okay, let's go to Steve Skidmore here.
[01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:14.840]  Hey, Steve, thanks for calling in.
[01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:15.840]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:16.840]  You're welcome.
[01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:17.840]  Thanks, Bob.
[01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:18.840]  Can you hear me?
[01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:19.840]  Yes.
[01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:20.840]  Yes, yes, we can hear you.
[01:53:20.840 --> 01:53:22.840]  No, I can't hear a thing.
[01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:26.840]  Well, that's like you, Randy.
[01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:29.840]  Eddie, good to hear you on the radio.
[01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:30.840]  Thanks.
[01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:33.840]  I got Randy stumped last night.
[01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:34.840]  All right.
[01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:37.840]  Not very often I can do that.
[01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:39.840]  He said, ask you.
[01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:40.840]  All right.
[01:53:40.840 --> 01:53:50.840]  You called me back and told me to look in the transportation code for a couple of things,
[01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:52.840]  and I can't recall something else here.
[01:53:52.840 --> 01:54:01.840]  Title VII, subtitle A, 502, sub, where'd it go?
[01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:02.840]  Definitions.
[01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:05.840]  Yes, subchapter A, definitions.
[01:54:05.840 --> 01:54:10.840]  In 502.021, the term, quote, commercial.
[01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:14.840]  Okay, wait, before you go any further, what is chapter VII related to?
[01:54:14.840 --> 01:54:16.840]  Chapter VII is the transportation code.
[01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:17.840]  Okay.
[01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:21.840]  Chapter VII, subtitle C is rules of the road.
[01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:23.840]  Are you in subtitle C?
[01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:28.840]  No, I'm in subtitle A, certificates of title and registration of vehicle.
[01:54:28.840 --> 01:54:29.840]  Right.
[01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.840]  Chapter 502, registration of vehicle.
[01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:33.840]  Right.
[01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:35.840]  Subchapter A, general provisions.
[01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:36.840]  Okay.
[01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:39.840]  502.001, definitions.
[01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:44.840]  We scroll down to number two.
[01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:53.840]  It clearly defines, quote, commercial motor vehicle, end quote, means, excuse me,
[01:54:53.840 --> 01:55:00.840]  motor vehicle, sorry, commercial motor vehicle means a vehicle other than a motorcycle
[01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:05.840]  designed or used primarily to transport property.
[01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:12.840]  The term includes a passenger car reconstructed and used primarily for delivery purposes.
[01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:18.840]  The term does not include a passenger car used for delivery of United States mail.
[01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:26.840]  Then we scroll down a little further to number 13 and we see motor vehicle means a vehicle
[01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:30.840]  that is self-propelled, period.
[01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:38.840]  My question, under definition 13 of motor vehicle means a vehicle that is self-propelled.
[01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:41.840]  How do we connect that with commerce?
[01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:45.840]  What's the definition of vehicle in that section?
[01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:46.840]  Let me see.
[01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:50.840]  Remember, it says a motor vehicle is a vehicle.
[01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:52.840]  There's a definition for vehicle in there.
[01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:54.840]  Correct.
[01:55:54.840 --> 01:56:00.840]  That was why I was going to say yesterday, just what I was going to say.
[01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:01.840]  Is that right?
[01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:05.840]  I sometimes forgot.
[01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:09.840]  Let's see.
[01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:14.840]  Now, here's another thing to consider in that aspect of that definition too, Steve.
[01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:22.840]  If you're in a motor vehicle, you must have one of the commercial licenses that authorizes you to be
[01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:25.840]  in that motor vehicle and using it upon the roadways, correct?
[01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:26.840]  Correct.
[01:56:26.840 --> 01:56:27.840]  Okay.
[01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:36.840]  Therefore, a motor vehicle by relation can only be something engaged in commerce because the license
[01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:42.840]  required to have access to it is commercial in nature.
[01:56:42.840 --> 01:56:51.840]  So if the actual vehicle is not being used in commerce, it does not require the use of a license.
[01:56:51.840 --> 01:57:02.840]  If it does not require the use of a license, then it can't be a motor vehicle because a motor vehicle requires a license.
[01:57:02.840 --> 01:57:04.840]  Right.
[01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:15.840]  I found number 24, vehicle, means a device in or by which a person or property is or may be transported.
[01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:16.840]  Transported.
[01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:17.840]  There you go.
[01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:20.840]  Now you know what a motor vehicle is.
[01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:22.840]  Wait a minute.
[01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:23.840]  Wait a minute.
[01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:24.840]  Transported.
[01:57:24.840 --> 01:57:25.840]  Correct.
[01:57:25.840 --> 01:57:26.840]  What does that mean?
[01:57:26.840 --> 01:57:29.840]  Transported is a derivative of transportation.
[01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:32.840]  Not good enough.
[01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:34.840]  Does it define transported?
[01:57:34.840 --> 01:57:36.840]  No, it does not.
[01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:37.840]  Hmm.
[01:57:37.840 --> 01:57:39.840]  The word is to be used as an-
[01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:42.840]  But it does define transportation.
[01:57:42.840 --> 01:57:43.840]  No, it doesn't.
[01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:44.840]  Oh, okay.
[01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:54.840]  Well, Black's Law defines them, okay, and Black's Law says that transportation involves common carrier, okay,
[01:57:54.840 --> 01:58:02.840]  just as passenger means someone that is paying to be transported.
[01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:03.840]  Right.
[01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:05.840]  So there's your commercial connection.
[01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:07.840]  Correct.
[01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:08.840]  Okay.
[01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:10.840]  Got another question for you on the other side.
[01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:11.840]  Okay, yeah.
[01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:12.840]  Hang on to the other side, Steve.
[01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:15.840]  Nebulous connection.
[01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:16.840]  No more nebulous than I would like.
[01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:17.840]  Nebulous connection.
[01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:19.840]  I don't know if that's- I don't know.
[01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:24.840]  I mean, if it's not defined in the statute, then we have to go back to these other definitions.
[01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:26.840]  We'll do some digging over the break.
[01:58:26.840 --> 01:58:27.840]  Okay.
[01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:29.840]  We're going back to conjecture now.
[01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:35.840]  Well, see, Randy, I don't see how it's conjecture when, if it's not defined in statute, we have to go back to Black's Law.
[01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:36.840]  That's not really conjecture.
[01:58:36.840 --> 01:58:37.840]  That's not conjecture.
[01:58:37.840 --> 01:58:41.840]  The definition we use, that's conjecture.
[01:58:41.840 --> 01:58:42.840]  Okay.
[01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:45.840]  I thought that Black's Law said what it is.
[01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:46.840]  All right.
[01:58:46.840 --> 01:59:12.840]  We'll be back on the other side.
[01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:20.840]  Okay.
[01:59:20.840 --> 01:59:43.840]  All right.
[01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:54.840]  All right.