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[00:05.760 --> 00:13.680]  In June, 736 roadside bombs exploded in Afghanistan, killing 23 U.S. and NATO troops and wounding
[00:13.680 --> 00:16.000]  another 166.
[00:16.000 --> 00:22.080]  Exiled Uighur leader Rabia Khadir claimed Thursday Chinese police killed 400 Uighurs
[00:22.080 --> 00:26.880]  in the capital of China's Xinjiang region during ethnic unrest.
[00:26.880 --> 00:32.360]  Ms. Khadir said the Uighurs had died as a result of police shootings and beatings.
[00:32.360 --> 00:37.400]  Climate talks in Italy this week ended without the rich industrial nations promising to cut
[00:37.400 --> 00:38.800]  back their emissions.
[00:38.800 --> 00:44.360]  China, India and the developing world wouldn't commit to cutting emissions, arguing the rich
[00:44.360 --> 00:50.840]  nations needed to slash CO2 emissions by a staggering 40 percent in just 10 years.
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[00:55.320 --> 01:01.120]  An Islamic charity challenging George Bush's wiretapping program in federal court cited
[01:01.120 --> 01:07.040]  candidate Barack Obama's words Thursday in arguing that no president has the power to
[01:07.040 --> 01:10.280]  unilaterally order eavesdropping on Americans.
[01:10.280 --> 01:15.800]  Lawyers for the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation introduced their brief by quoting Obama's
[01:15.800 --> 01:18.440]  words in 2007.
[01:18.440 --> 01:25.760]  Warrantless surveillance of American citizens in defiance of FISA is unlawful and unconstitutional.
[01:25.760 --> 01:31.360]  FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, requires the government to get a warrant
[01:31.360 --> 01:37.720]  from a court that meets in secret before intercepting messages between Americans and suspected foreign
[01:37.720 --> 01:39.280]  terrorists.
[01:39.280 --> 01:45.280]  Bush acknowledged in 2005 he authorized such surveillance four years earlier and said he
[01:45.280 --> 01:49.480]  had constitutional authority to do this during wartime.
[01:49.480 --> 01:55.480]  Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker has scheduled a hearing September 1st on whether
[01:55.480 --> 02:07.440]  Al-Haramain has the right to sue the government and if so whether it was wiretapped unconstitutionally.
[02:07.440 --> 02:12.320]  Suicides in the U.S. Army are on the rise with 88 suspected cases in the first six months
[02:12.320 --> 02:16.640]  of the year compared to 67 in the same period in 2008.
[02:16.640 --> 02:22.200]  The latest figures confirmed warnings from top military officers that the number of suicides
[02:22.200 --> 02:28.920]  among active duty soldiers this year will surpass the record level set in 2008.
[02:28.920 --> 02:36.200]  Last year 128 soldiers took their lives up from 115 in 2007 amid increasing strain on
[02:36.200 --> 02:39.960]  Army troops serving repeated combat tours.
[02:39.960 --> 02:44.600]  Brigadier General Colleen McGuire, director of the Army Suicide Prevention Task Force
[02:44.600 --> 02:50.480]  said, we're finding that male soldiers in combat arms occupational specialties between
[02:50.480 --> 02:53.880]  ages 18 and 27 are more vulnerable.
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[04:21.480 --> 04:29.520]  AIG is preparing to pay $2.4 million in bonuses to 40 of its top executives, months after
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[04:36.360 --> 04:43.040]  In Britain, Rupert Murdoch's news group has paid $1.5 million to secure secrecy over out-of-court
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[04:55.800 --> 05:01.160]  A Danish study has found one in three breast cancers detected by a mammogram screening
[05:01.160 --> 05:03.560]  may actually be harmless.
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[05:28.080 --> 05:50.400]  What's your movie about?
[05:50.400 --> 05:53.400]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[05:53.400 --> 05:56.400]  When you were eight and you had bad dreams
[05:56.400 --> 05:58.400]  You go to school and learn the golden rule
[05:58.400 --> 06:01.400]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[06:01.400 --> 06:04.400]  If you get hot then you might get cool
[06:04.400 --> 06:07.400]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[06:07.400 --> 06:09.400]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:09.400 --> 06:12.400]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[06:12.400 --> 06:15.400]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:15.400 --> 06:18.400]  You took it on that one, you took it on this one
[06:18.400 --> 06:21.400]  You took it on your mother and you took it on your father
[06:21.400 --> 06:23.400]  You took it on your brother and you took it on your sisters
[06:23.400 --> 06:26.400]  You took it on that one and you took it on me
[06:26.400 --> 06:29.400]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[06:29.400 --> 06:33.400]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:33.400 --> 06:35.400]  When we are coming for you
[06:35.400 --> 06:42.400]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, and Eddie Craig
[06:42.400 --> 06:46.400]  We are supposed to have a guest tonight, Steve
[06:46.400 --> 06:50.400]  To talk about revocation of power of attorney
[06:50.400 --> 06:52.400]  She called at the end of the show last night
[06:52.400 --> 06:54.400]  We have not been able to get a hold of her
[06:54.400 --> 06:57.400]  However, we are going to have another guest tonight
[06:57.400 --> 06:59.400]  Who is supposed to be on last night
[06:59.400 --> 07:01.400]  Mr. Bill Tezak, okay
[07:01.400 --> 07:05.400]  Who is fighting a situation with a homeowners association
[07:05.400 --> 07:08.400]  This is a situation in California
[07:08.400 --> 07:10.400]  He has filed a number of criminal complaints
[07:10.400 --> 07:14.400]  And they are being suppressed by the judges out there
[07:14.400 --> 07:17.400]  And so he is calling in to discuss the situation
[07:17.400 --> 07:19.400]  So that we can coordinate with him
[07:19.400 --> 07:22.400]  And potentially take this into a federal court
[07:22.400 --> 07:25.400]  So Bill, thanks for joining us this evening
[07:25.400 --> 07:27.400]  Yeah, great
[07:27.400 --> 07:30.400]  So can you just start from the beginning
[07:30.400 --> 07:32.400]  And tell us what the situation is
[07:32.400 --> 07:33.400]  How it all got started
[07:33.400 --> 07:36.400]  And what you have done up until this point
[07:36.400 --> 07:38.400]  What has happened so far?
[07:38.400 --> 07:45.400]  Okay, well it involves moving into a homeowners association
[07:45.400 --> 07:47.400]  Housing development
[07:47.400 --> 07:51.400]  And when I purchased the property
[07:51.400 --> 07:56.400]  I have a large side yard that I wanted to store my RVs in
[07:56.400 --> 07:58.400]  But I had to remove a block wall
[07:58.400 --> 08:00.400]  In order to put a gate up in its place
[08:00.400 --> 08:02.400]  To get access to that side yard
[08:02.400 --> 08:05.400]  Well, under association rules
[08:05.400 --> 08:08.400]  You have to get approval, architectural approval
[08:08.400 --> 08:10.400]  To do certain things
[08:10.400 --> 08:12.400]  But in our situation
[08:12.400 --> 08:17.400]  They didn't govern fences or gates in the development
[08:17.400 --> 08:22.400]  And I tried to basically work with the board
[08:22.400 --> 08:25.400]  To get them to validate whether they had any authority
[08:25.400 --> 08:28.400]  Over my property
[08:28.400 --> 08:32.400]  Basically quasi-jurisdiction of the association
[08:32.400 --> 08:37.400]  And I just happened to live adjacent to the board members
[08:37.400 --> 08:39.400]  And the architectural committee guy
[08:39.400 --> 08:46.400]  And they were opposed to having RVs in the community as a whole, I guess
[08:46.400 --> 08:48.400]  And right next to them
[08:48.400 --> 08:51.400]  So that spun off a dispute
[08:51.400 --> 08:53.400]  And without any authority
[08:53.400 --> 08:57.400]  They decided to deny an architectural approval
[08:57.400 --> 09:02.400]  And that spun off litigation where I said, all right
[09:02.400 --> 09:08.400]  You don't have the rights to control my property
[09:08.400 --> 09:10.400]  I started the litigation
[09:10.400 --> 09:13.400]  And that's when they filed a false proceeding
[09:13.400 --> 09:18.400]  And at the time I didn't recognize it as a criminal act
[09:18.400 --> 09:21.400]  I only looked at it from a civil perspective
[09:21.400 --> 09:28.400]  So being that I've got a very extensive litigation background myself
[09:28.400 --> 09:30.400]  Almost an attorney
[09:30.400 --> 09:32.400]  But I didn't pass the bar
[09:32.400 --> 09:35.400]  I decided to take it on my own
[09:35.400 --> 09:41.400]  And started throwing in the courts all the necessary motions to strike
[09:41.400 --> 09:48.400]  Motions for the case to be pleaded on the pleadings, et cetera, et cetera
[09:48.400 --> 09:51.400]  And found that the judges weren't following the law
[09:51.400 --> 09:53.400]  And they kept this thing going
[09:53.400 --> 09:57.400]  And even though there was no legal authority to do so
[09:57.400 --> 09:59.400]  And they lacked jurisdiction
[09:59.400 --> 10:02.400]  So eventually it went to trial
[10:02.400 --> 10:08.400]  And I knew the other side didn't have any basis for their claim
[10:08.400 --> 10:15.400]  So at the time they had put a bogus claim for a trespass to an easement
[10:15.400 --> 10:21.400]  They claimed that the covenants conditions and restrictions that were across the development
[10:21.400 --> 10:23.400]  Were essentially easements
[10:23.400 --> 10:28.400]  So they had filed a trespass to easements and damages for that trespass
[10:28.400 --> 10:33.400]  Which was their biggest claim with the damages according to proof
[10:33.400 --> 10:36.400]  Well, at the time of the trial
[10:36.400 --> 10:40.400]  They came in and they dismissed it
[10:40.400 --> 10:42.400]  Because obviously they didn't have a claim
[10:42.400 --> 10:49.400]  And the judge at that time granted their dismissal
[10:49.400 --> 10:57.400]  And he made a ruling on there that with that dismissal was without prejudice
[10:57.400 --> 11:04.400]  And he let the other claim that was connected, because this was intertwined, to go forth
[11:04.400 --> 11:07.400]  But they didn't have any premise to do so
[11:07.400 --> 11:13.400]  So anyways, we pled our defense and the other thing too is
[11:13.400 --> 11:17.400]  There was only one board member that testified
[11:17.400 --> 11:21.400]  And we got him to basically testify in our favor
[11:21.400 --> 11:26.400]  Because he admitted that he didn't have jurisdiction for governing our offenses
[11:26.400 --> 11:36.400]  So after the trial, the judge decided that he was going to use what's called in California
[11:36.400 --> 11:38.400]  Liberal Construing Statute
[11:38.400 --> 11:44.400]  When the site was Section 1371 of the Civil Code
[11:44.400 --> 11:50.400]  That allowed him to construe a gate to be a building to give him jurisdiction
[11:50.400 --> 12:00.400]  And then after that he decided that there was substantial evidence to render a decision in the association's favor
[12:00.400 --> 12:09.400]  Even though the admission of the board president was contrary to anything that they had established
[12:09.400 --> 12:19.400]  And then ruled against me and then slapped me with the attorney fees in the amount of $40,000 in this whole thing
[12:19.400 --> 12:23.400]  Well, I appealed it and the case law was in my favor
[12:23.400 --> 12:34.400]  And after I appealed that, the justices took some case back in, I think it was 1904
[12:34.400 --> 12:39.400]  That said that a gate was a building
[12:39.400 --> 12:43.400]  But it said that a fence that was six feet high wasn't
[12:43.400 --> 12:47.400]  But a 20-foot fence around a courthouse was
[12:47.400 --> 12:55.400]  And that was sufficient for the appellate court to affirm the judgment of the trial court
[12:55.400 --> 13:01.400]  And then ruled that they get their costs on appeal, which hit me for another $20,000
[13:01.400 --> 13:04.400]  And then the judge rubber stamped that one, too
[13:04.400 --> 13:08.400]  So I was into this thing for about $50,000 and I did nothing wrong
[13:08.400 --> 13:15.400]  Well, with that, the decision that came out was very vague in the judgment
[13:15.400 --> 13:18.400]  So it kind of opened it up to ambiguity
[13:18.400 --> 13:21.400]  And that wasn't good enough for the homeowner board members
[13:21.400 --> 13:25.400]  So they decided that they were going to bring contempt charges against me
[13:25.400 --> 13:34.400]  To basically get me to put the fence or the block wall that was there back up
[13:34.400 --> 13:41.400]  And threw us back into court on that for another $16,000
[13:41.400 --> 13:48.400]  And instead of going after me, they went after my wife, who was just nothing but a signatory on the deed
[13:48.400 --> 13:55.400]  Went after her and started trying to do executions, debtors' exams, and all kinds of stuff
[13:55.400 --> 14:01.400]  And at that point, I got pretty upset and it became an all-out war
[14:01.400 --> 14:07.400]  And I turned around and filed a militia prosecution action and about 13 other causes
[14:07.400 --> 14:17.400]  And in California, they have a statute called, it's under 425.16, called the anti-slap statute
[14:17.400 --> 14:22.400]  Strategic something against their rights
[14:22.400 --> 14:30.400]  If they win, if you bring a malicious prosecution action, then they could slap you out, which basically dismiss your case
[14:30.400 --> 14:37.400]  And in one fell swoop, the judge, without any legal authority, knocked out all 13 causes of action
[14:37.400 --> 14:46.400]  And that spun it off into appeal, but he granted their attorney fees in about the order of $30,000
[14:46.400 --> 14:53.400]  And at that time, I was fighting about six board members and about four other homeowners
[14:53.400 --> 14:58.400]  And they had separate attorneys on this, so each one was coming in after me on that as well
[14:58.400 --> 15:05.400]  So I appealed it, and then the judges upheld that slap action without any legal authority
[15:05.400 --> 15:14.400]  And then the attorney I was also working with, he said, well, in a situation like that, we could probably bring a class action
[15:14.400 --> 15:23.400]  Because all these board members had the same violations that I was suing them under, so we did a class action suit
[15:23.400 --> 15:30.400]  And that turned into fiasco because we lost the class action because of the judge
[15:30.400 --> 15:40.400]  And then after the class action was lost, the homeowners realized that they're guilty under the CCNRs
[15:40.400 --> 15:50.400]  And they moved the attorney, who had sued me, told the same board members, just change those provisions in the CCNRs
[15:50.400 --> 15:57.400]  And to absolve your liability, and then the whole case goes away and he loses standing to sue
[15:57.400 --> 16:07.400]  So after that class action certification was dismissed, they got the homeowners to change the CCNRs
[16:07.400 --> 16:13.400]  They recorded a document, and then they turned around, came in with a summary judgment motion
[16:13.400 --> 16:22.400]  And got this other judge to dismiss the liability claim on the fact that they changed the CCNRs and said they could do it
[16:22.400 --> 16:37.400]  And that spun it off into another appeal, and the appellate justices decided to validate and affirm that decision without any legal authority
[16:37.400 --> 16:44.400]  And I got slapped with $300,000 in attorney fees and costs on that one
[16:44.400 --> 16:51.400]  So in the course of all that, I started gaining the knowledge of getting criminal complaints together
[16:51.400 --> 17:02.400]  And started filing those in 2007, and I'd been running up against a block wall trying to get the criminal complaint
[17:02.400 --> 17:09.400]  Which I have about a 96 page criminal complaint that names basically every one of these guys
[17:09.400 --> 17:11.400]  And they're fighting tooth and nail
[17:11.400 --> 17:16.400]  I've got several claims in against the state of California
[17:16.400 --> 17:22.400]  I've got judicial performance commission complaints in on the judges
[17:22.400 --> 17:30.400]  I've got bar complaints in on the attorneys for a fraud on the court, void judgments in this action
[17:30.400 --> 17:34.400]  I've got a lot of things going on out there
[17:34.400 --> 17:39.400]  Everything's being shut down for the most part, which I recognize
[17:39.400 --> 17:44.400]  And I'm basically exhausting my state remedies at this point
[17:44.400 --> 17:49.400]  And getting ready to compile all this and now go federal
[17:49.400 --> 17:51.400]  But I'm also trying to get this...
[17:51.400 --> 17:55.400]  I also got it before the criminal complaints before the grand jury
[17:55.400 --> 18:05.400]  And what was interesting in that is the foreman wrote me a letter back that said that since the matter is before the court
[18:05.400 --> 18:11.400]  Even though it doesn't have a case number on it because the clerk's refusing to put a case number on it
[18:11.400 --> 18:18.400]  They don't have jurisdiction, which tells me that somehow the DA or the judges got to the jury
[18:18.400 --> 18:23.400]  And prevented them from hearing the case or doing any investigation
[18:23.400 --> 18:27.400]  So I'm in the appellate courts right now
[18:27.400 --> 18:31.400]  I've got things pretty well stalled to a certain degree
[18:31.400 --> 18:38.400]  But the same justices now, they know about the criminal complaint because it's before them at the appellate court
[18:38.400 --> 18:42.400]  Because I brought it in under a judicial notice and the evidence code
[18:42.400 --> 18:49.400]  And they're denying to take judicial notice of penal code statutes here in California
[18:49.400 --> 18:55.400]  And they're trying to dismiss my appeal and just this last Thursday they dismissed it
[18:55.400 --> 19:04.400]  But I put it up for rehearing and I put them in a very awkward situation with the criminal complaint and the Supreme Court right now
[19:04.400 --> 19:10.400]  So I'm waiting to hear what's going to happen, which I should get something out next week on that
[19:10.400 --> 19:15.400]  But I'm trying to move toward the federal stuff
[19:15.400 --> 19:22.400]  But I've been inundated with a whole bunch of state actions right now until I can get the federal stuff out
[19:22.400 --> 19:26.400]  So that's kind of like the short version
[19:26.400 --> 19:29.400]  That's incredible
[19:29.400 --> 19:32.400]  That's a pretty long short version
[19:32.400 --> 19:35.400]  Yeah, what a roller coaster ride here
[19:35.400 --> 19:42.400]  Well, we're talking nine and a half years and I condensed it just in what, ten minutes?
[19:42.400 --> 19:48.400]  It's just amazing that these people, you know, how far they're willing to take it really
[19:48.400 --> 20:00.400]  The thing I'm concerned about is the grand jury foreman told you that since this was in the courts, they didn't have jurisdiction
[20:00.400 --> 20:07.400]  I had a district attorney tell me something like that recently
[20:07.400 --> 20:16.400]  That a grand jury were sending back my complaints because I had to file them with a policing agency
[20:16.400 --> 20:18.400]  They've told me that too
[20:18.400 --> 20:26.400]  Well, what I said to the prosecuting attorney was, who told them that?
[20:26.400 --> 20:32.400]  And he said, well, Mr. Kelton, you can't waste the grand jury's time with frivolous complaints
[20:32.400 --> 20:37.400]  First, my complaints aren't frivolous and second, yes, I can
[20:37.400 --> 20:41.400]  Who told them that?
[20:41.400 --> 20:47.400]  That's the question because whoever told them that lied to them and tampered with the jury
[20:47.400 --> 20:49.400]  Yeah, that's right
[20:49.400 --> 20:57.400]  I mean, it's our right and even in Texas, it's enumerated in statute that we can go to the grand jury with criminal complaints
[20:57.400 --> 21:04.400]  It's not up to the prosecutor or anybody else to filter those complaints and decide which ones are frivolous or which ones are not
[21:04.400 --> 21:06.400]  California's got a better grand jury system than we do
[21:06.400 --> 21:12.400]  That's actually a class A misdemeanor here in Texas
[21:12.400 --> 21:22.400]  The prosecutor is required to reduce any complaint information submitted to grand jury if it's a complaint against a public official
[21:22.400 --> 21:30.400]  I would want to subpoena the grand jury foreman and find out who told him that
[21:30.400 --> 21:33.400]  How can you get subpoena power to do something like that, Randy?
[21:33.400 --> 21:44.400]  Well, you're in a civil action and this created a civil tort in that they denied you and your right to petition the court for redress of grievance
[21:44.400 --> 21:54.400]  So you add that as a cause of action, again, you raise the cause of action against the state
[21:54.400 --> 22:04.400]  What I find interesting is when you put mandatory judicial notice under the evidence code
[22:04.400 --> 22:15.400]  And it specifically states that it's mandatory because it has the word shall written in there, that they have to take notice of any statute
[22:15.400 --> 22:25.400]  And in our state, we have what's called penal code section 804, 806, and 808, which is the bringing of basically a citizen's complaint
[22:25.400 --> 22:34.400]  Or a citizen's arrest via that complaint, and you're putting it before a magistrate or a judge as we had talked about before
[22:34.400 --> 22:40.400]  But I did it by having the court take judicial notice within my own action
[22:40.400 --> 22:51.400]  And now in open court, I'm telling the judge it's mandatory for you to recuse yourself because you have a self-interest in this
[22:51.400 --> 22:56.400]  And I'm bringing charges, criminal charges against you personally
[22:56.400 --> 23:04.400]  And you cannot preside over this matter after I've already initiated my disqualification of you under the code
[23:04.400 --> 23:13.400]  And yet he's telling me that it's not a pleading that he can recognize on that
[23:13.400 --> 23:28.400]  And then I'm bringing up the federal code sections, Title 18, USC 241 and 242, and Miss Prison of a Felony under Section 4
[23:28.400 --> 23:35.400]  Code 4, and he doesn't want to respond to this, but I'm reading it into the record now
[23:35.400 --> 23:43.400]  And saying that you have to take notice of these federal and state statutes here because you are committing a crime
[23:43.400 --> 23:48.400]  And then also I want to see your oath of office to see that you're a valid judge here
[23:48.400 --> 23:55.400]  And I also want to see the oath of office under the business and provisions code of this attorney who's representing these other defendants here
[23:55.400 --> 24:02.400]  I want that to be seen so that I can see that you're going to be an impartial judge
[24:02.400 --> 24:08.400]  And he's letting the attorney just ramble on too
[24:08.400 --> 24:13.400]  And this is what I'm continuing with
[24:13.400 --> 24:24.400]  Well, in a sense, he kind of misstated, but your motion to disqualify him, well, he's correct that he can't rule on that because he just can't
[24:24.400 --> 24:30.400]  But he should step down. I mean, he's required to step down. That is true
[24:30.400 --> 24:40.400]  I know, but all he wants to do is he wants to keep moving forward on the hearing so that he can rubber stamp some more fees against me in retaliation
[24:40.400 --> 24:44.400]  Can you get to his subject matter jurisdiction?
[24:44.400 --> 24:46.400]  When you say get to it
[24:46.400 --> 24:52.400]  Yeah, can you find a way to undermine subject matter jurisdiction?
[24:52.400 --> 25:01.400]  You follow rule 12 or challenge to the authority of the opposing counsel
[25:01.400 --> 25:06.400]  Did they respond and show authority?
[25:06.400 --> 25:15.400]  Because if they don't show authority, they don't have standing. If they don't have standing, they're unable to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of the court
[25:15.400 --> 25:19.400]  Now you can sue the court personally
[25:19.400 --> 25:25.400]  If you could find a way to undermine subject matter jurisdiction
[25:25.400 --> 25:36.400]  You can sue the judge personally and get past the summary judgment that they'll try to claim where the judge has immunity
[25:36.400 --> 25:41.400]  Acting without subject matter jurisdiction, there is no immunity
[25:41.400 --> 25:45.400]  Well, committing a crime, there is no immunity
[25:45.400 --> 25:49.400]  That's outside scope
[25:49.400 --> 25:59.400]  And I've got a case where a police officer arrested someone was transporting the person to jail, raped him on the way to jail
[25:59.400 --> 26:07.400]  The officer claimed he was transporting a prisoner and that was within the scope of his authority
[26:07.400 --> 26:16.400]  And the court replied, rape is not within the scope of your authority
[26:16.400 --> 26:21.400]  What a claim! I can't believe somebody would say something like that
[26:21.400 --> 26:28.400]  I can do whatever I want, I can rape somebody, I can do whatever I want because I'm a cop
[26:28.400 --> 26:32.400]  You're saying he could be prosecuted for it, but you're saying he couldn't be sued
[26:32.400 --> 26:39.400]  And the court said yes you can because committing criminal acts is not within the scope of your authority
[26:39.400 --> 26:44.400]  And so that goes to what the judge is doing, outside of scope
[26:44.400 --> 26:53.400]  By committing a criminal act, he now has a personal interest in the outcome, which you mentioned earlier
[26:53.400 --> 26:56.400]  And is disqualified as a matter of constitution
[26:56.400 --> 27:00.400]  There's generally only, I know in Texas it's probably the same in California
[27:00.400 --> 27:04.400]  There are three constitutional disqualifications
[27:04.400 --> 27:11.400]  One is if the judge has previously represented a litigant
[27:11.400 --> 27:17.400]  Two, association by co-sanguinity with the relative
[27:17.400 --> 27:26.400]  And three is if they have an interest in the case
[27:26.400 --> 27:32.400]  If they've committed a crime, they now have an interest in the case
[27:32.400 --> 27:35.400]  A criminal act is outside their scope
[27:35.400 --> 27:43.400]  And committing crimes is something that they, I don't know if they have immunity from suit for that or not
[27:43.400 --> 27:46.400]  That's an iffy question
[27:46.400 --> 27:55.400]  But if you can use the violation of the criminal law as a way to disqualify the judge
[27:55.400 --> 27:58.400]  Then he's without subject matter jurisdiction and you can sue him
[27:58.400 --> 28:03.400]  In either case, because he has a criminal accusation against him, he has an interest
[28:03.400 --> 28:06.400]  Personal, if not monetary
[28:06.400 --> 28:10.400]  And he's disqualified as a matter of constitution
[28:10.400 --> 28:22.400]  In California, the statute, the rules on recusal and disqualification
[28:22.400 --> 28:33.400]  Do they place an administrative, a ministerial duty on the judge in the matter of a motion to disqualify?
[28:33.400 --> 28:41.400]  Yeah, there is, it's California Code of Civil Procedure, Section 170.1
[28:41.400 --> 28:50.400]  And it has a numeral listing of about nine different conditions that come into play
[28:50.400 --> 29:01.400]  There's only one in particular that's available to use just as a very broad one that I typically use
[29:01.400 --> 29:06.400]  The other ones are more of conflict of interest, you know, areas
[29:06.400 --> 29:16.400]  And something that I've kind of learned but I haven't done it yet is basically find a way to create the conflict and then use it
[29:16.400 --> 29:28.400]  You know, like filing a small claims action or something that brings the conflict into play by you forcing the conflict and then use it
[29:28.400 --> 29:33.400]  We set the judge up to step across the line that gives you a crack at it
[29:33.400 --> 29:35.400]  Exactly
[29:35.400 --> 29:37.400]  All right, well listen, we're going to break
[29:37.400 --> 29:39.400]  We'll talk about this some more when we get back on the other side
[29:39.400 --> 29:43.400]  We've got our guest Bill Tizak with us, Eddie Craig as well
[29:43.400 --> 29:46.400]  I'm Deborah Stevens here with Randy Kelton
[29:46.400 --> 30:15.400]  We'll be right back after this break
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[31:25.400 --> 31:50.400]  Okay, we are back
[31:50.400 --> 31:52.400]  The rule of law
[31:52.400 --> 31:55.400]  I'm Deborah Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig
[31:55.400 --> 31:58.400]  We are here with our guest Bill Tizak
[31:58.400 --> 32:03.400]  A nine-year ordeal because of homeowners association problems
[32:03.400 --> 32:05.400]  This is just amazing
[32:05.400 --> 32:09.400]  It's gotten deeper and deeper and rougher and rougher for Bill here
[32:09.400 --> 32:11.400]  Okay, Randy, you had a question for Bill
[32:11.400 --> 32:19.400]  Yeah, I'm more interested at the moment in how to use the grand jury to come back at these guys
[32:19.400 --> 32:25.400]  I tried to get to the grand jury and someone has interfered
[32:25.400 --> 32:33.400]  Frankly, when I go after officials, I anticipate that they're going to do the wrong thing
[32:33.400 --> 32:41.400]  I expect them to interfere and try to interfere with the grand jury and block my access to them
[32:41.400 --> 32:44.400]  As a matter of fact, I plan on it
[32:44.400 --> 32:48.400]  And I have some procedures to handle these things
[32:48.400 --> 32:54.400]  The first thing I want to do is go try to get to the grand jury and get someone to interfere with me
[32:54.400 --> 32:56.400]  Quick example, I'm in North Carolina
[32:56.400 --> 33:01.400]  I go to the bailiff, tell the foreman I have business with the grand jury
[33:01.400 --> 33:03.400]  In short, he threw me out
[33:03.400 --> 33:08.400]  Immediately, I went to his lieutenant and asked his lieutenant to arrest him
[33:08.400 --> 33:16.400]  for interfering with my right to petition the courts for redress of grievance
[33:16.400 --> 33:20.400]  because there's nothing in the law that forbids me from going to a grand jury
[33:20.400 --> 33:24.400]  He exercised an authority he didn't have, denied me a right, I want him arrested
[33:24.400 --> 33:29.400]  The lieutenant wouldn't arrest him, so now I file criminal charges against the lieutenant
[33:29.400 --> 33:32.400]  We start creating problems for everybody
[33:32.400 --> 33:38.400]  The way I do prosecutors, I give the complaint to the prosecutor
[33:38.400 --> 33:42.400]  In Texas, we have a special statute that commands them to give the complaint to the grand jury
[33:42.400 --> 33:45.400]  But if you don't have that statute, you don't need it
[33:45.400 --> 33:49.400]  If you notify the prosecutor that a crime has been committed
[33:49.400 --> 33:52.400]  and he doesn't notify a grand jury
[33:52.400 --> 33:56.400]  then you charge him, you come back with criminal complaints
[33:56.400 --> 34:02.400]  against the district attorney accusing him of obstruction of justice
[34:02.400 --> 34:07.400]  And if you've already been there and had the bailiff and everybody interfere with you
[34:07.400 --> 34:09.400]  then don't go back again
[34:09.400 --> 34:14.400]  Put all your complaints in an envelope
[34:14.400 --> 34:19.400]  How many grand jurors do you have in California? Is it 23?
[34:19.400 --> 34:26.400]  I'm not sure as far as a total, but I do know that the one here in Orange County where we're at
[34:26.400 --> 34:30.400]  there's just the one in our county
[34:30.400 --> 34:35.400]  And matter of fact, they just put a new one in as of July 1, 2009
[34:35.400 --> 34:37.400]  Yeah, I think there's 23
[34:37.400 --> 34:41.400]  You make up 23 packets
[34:41.400 --> 34:48.400]  You address them to grand jury 1 through grand jury 23
[34:48.400 --> 34:55.400]  You call down to the courthouse and ask which district court has the grand jury this time
[34:55.400 --> 35:00.400]  And they'll tell you which court impaneled the grand jury
[35:00.400 --> 35:06.400]  The address you put on the envelope is that district judge's address
[35:06.400 --> 35:08.400]  You don't put his name on it
[35:08.400 --> 35:11.400]  You put grand jury 1 through 23 on it
[35:11.400 --> 35:13.400]  You send it to that address
[35:13.400 --> 35:19.400]  And inside the folder you put a color letter
[35:19.400 --> 35:25.400]  that where you explain that you've been having trouble getting to grand jurors
[35:25.400 --> 35:31.400]  that public officials seem to be hiding criminal complaints from you
[35:31.400 --> 35:36.400]  So in order for me to be able to know that you got this document
[35:36.400 --> 35:44.400]  Will you initial this letter, put it in the included stamp self-address envelope and mail it back to me
[35:44.400 --> 35:47.400]  so I'll know you got the document
[35:47.400 --> 35:50.400]  Now you don't care if they send it back or not
[35:50.400 --> 35:53.400]  Because you have it in there
[35:53.400 --> 35:58.400]  If within say two weeks you don't receive it
[35:58.400 --> 36:10.400]  Why that's reasonable probable cause to believe that someone intercepted the mail and didn't get it to these grand jurors
[36:10.400 --> 36:14.400]  One may not send it back but 23?
[36:14.400 --> 36:18.400]  So you call the postal inspectors
[36:18.400 --> 36:23.400]  That will change everything
[36:23.400 --> 36:28.400]  It did in Fort Lauderdale, it did in Ohio
[36:28.400 --> 36:32.400]  Postal inspectors are bad news
[36:32.400 --> 36:39.400]  So we involve someone else with a whole separate agenda
[36:39.400 --> 36:43.400]  The postal inspectors have their own separate agenda
[36:43.400 --> 36:47.400]  And they don't really care about anybody else
[36:47.400 --> 36:51.400]  And when they get after you they are bad news
[36:51.400 --> 36:55.400]  So I set the prosecutor up that way
[36:55.400 --> 37:00.400]  When I go to the prosecutor I want him to screw it up
[37:00.400 --> 37:05.400]  Because I want to be able to kick him in his teeth
[37:05.400 --> 37:10.400]  I go after the person I'm after and then when I get an official to interfere
[37:10.400 --> 37:16.400]  I forget the guy I'm after for the moment and go after the one who interferes
[37:16.400 --> 37:23.400]  Like a prosecutor if I want the judge as well then I'll go to the judge with criminal charges against the prosecutor
[37:23.400 --> 37:28.400]  And when the judge refuses to act in his capacity as a magistrate
[37:28.400 --> 37:30.400]  Then I go after the judge
[37:30.400 --> 37:36.400]  And you understand the difference between a judge and a magistrate?
[37:36.400 --> 37:38.400]  Not exactly
[37:38.400 --> 37:47.400]  Okay, every judge is a magistrate and in most jurisdictions so are mayors
[37:47.400 --> 37:51.400]  A magistrate only does two things
[37:51.400 --> 37:56.400]  He holds an examining trial on a criminal accusation
[37:56.400 --> 38:02.400]  It makes a determination of probable cause and sets bail
[38:02.400 --> 38:05.400]  That's it
[38:05.400 --> 38:07.400]  That's all he does as a magistrate
[38:07.400 --> 38:11.400]  When you present a criminal complaint to a judge
[38:11.400 --> 38:16.400]  The judge stops being a judge and becomes a magistrate
[38:16.400 --> 38:19.400]  He has a magisterial duty
[38:19.400 --> 38:25.400]  A bushwhacked head criminal district judge in Travis County, Bob Perkins
[38:25.400 --> 38:29.400]  Went to his bailiff while he's having motion hearings
[38:29.400 --> 38:32.400]  And told the bailiff my name is Randall Kelton
[38:32.400 --> 38:35.400]  Instruct the judge that I have business with the court
[38:35.400 --> 38:37.400]  The bailiff always says the same thing
[38:37.400 --> 38:40.400]  May I tell the judge the nature of the business?
[38:40.400 --> 38:42.400]  And I always say the same thing
[38:42.400 --> 38:43.400]  No you may not
[38:43.400 --> 38:47.400]  I have business with the court and it's none of yours
[38:47.400 --> 38:50.400]  And they generally say well I have to tell the judge something
[38:50.400 --> 38:52.400]  Tell him I have business with the court
[38:52.400 --> 38:53.400]  You're dismissed
[38:53.400 --> 38:56.400]  I go sit down because I want him kicked off
[38:56.400 --> 38:57.400]  Now he's going to run up to the judge
[38:57.400 --> 39:01.400]  There's some jerk out here that wants to talk to you
[39:01.400 --> 39:04.400]  Says he has business and he won't tell me what it is
[39:04.400 --> 39:09.400]  The judge looks out and thinks oh yeah I'll take care of him
[39:09.400 --> 39:13.400]  And when he finishes the motion that he's working on
[39:13.400 --> 39:17.400]  They generally say well Mr. Kelton I understand you have business with the court
[39:17.400 --> 39:20.400]  And I'm sitting here holding up this folder
[39:20.400 --> 39:23.400]  And I say yes your honor I do
[39:23.400 --> 39:27.400]  See the judge is looking out at me seeing me hold that folder
[39:27.400 --> 39:29.400]  And he wants to know what's in it
[39:29.400 --> 39:31.400]  Bad move bubba
[39:31.400 --> 39:34.400]  So I say yes I do may I approach
[39:34.400 --> 39:36.400]  And that means can I give you this document
[39:36.400 --> 39:40.400]  And they'll generally send a bailiff over to retrieve the document
[39:40.400 --> 39:43.400]  And he gives it to the judge and when the judge opens the document
[39:43.400 --> 39:48.400]  He's looking at a criminal complaint against a public official
[39:48.400 --> 39:52.400]  A verified criminal affidavit
[39:52.400 --> 39:56.400]  At that moment he stops being a judge and becomes a magistrate
[39:56.400 --> 39:59.400]  Has a separate duty
[39:59.400 --> 40:02.400]  And I hope he doesn't do it
[40:02.400 --> 40:07.400]  I hope he tells me well you have to give this to the police department
[40:07.400 --> 40:10.400]  That's what Judge Perkins told me
[40:10.400 --> 40:13.400]  Judge don't tell me to take it to the police department
[40:13.400 --> 40:16.400]  I took it to the sheriff's department they just threw it in the trash
[40:16.400 --> 40:23.400]  Well Mr. Kelton you need to appeal to the district court for a written mandamus
[40:23.400 --> 40:26.400]  Come on judge don't ask me to appeal
[40:26.400 --> 40:30.400]  Before a crooked judge he renders a bogus decision they say oh that's okay
[40:30.400 --> 40:35.400]  You can go before a whole panel of crooked judges and they'll really screw your royal
[40:35.400 --> 40:38.400]  And the judge said well Mr. Kelton I don't think it's quite that bad
[40:38.400 --> 40:40.400]  That's because you're not pro se
[40:40.400 --> 40:42.400]  I got a better idea judge
[40:42.400 --> 40:45.400]  I'll appeal it to a grand jury
[40:45.400 --> 40:48.400]  Well Mr. Kelton you can appeal to a grand jury sure I can
[40:48.400 --> 40:54.400]  I can appeal to the grand jury to arrest the sheriff for felling and shielding from prosecution
[40:54.400 --> 40:58.400]  And the judge sat back and looked at me like you jerk you set me up
[40:58.400 --> 41:00.400]  Yes I did
[41:00.400 --> 41:03.400]  That's how you get them
[41:03.400 --> 41:06.400]  Now you got the judge on the darn
[41:06.400 --> 41:10.400]  When he refuses to do his duty his duty's clear
[41:10.400 --> 41:14.400]  And you've got him in a spot
[41:14.400 --> 41:19.400]  That when you look at it objectively it looks very very bad
[41:19.400 --> 41:24.400]  When you can no longer take criminal complaints to magistrates
[41:24.400 --> 41:29.400]  Then the whole system's out of control
[41:29.400 --> 41:33.400]  There is no effective way to argue against that one
[41:33.400 --> 41:40.400]  Now you go to the grand jury with criminal complaints against the district judge
[41:40.400 --> 41:52.400]  Bob Perkins actually helped me get criminal complaints against all the highest judges in Texas before a grand jury
[41:52.400 --> 41:59.400]  Because I nailed him this way and now I'm going after him and he doesn't want me coming after him
[41:59.400 --> 42:02.400]  He doesn't want this bad press
[42:02.400 --> 42:06.400]  One thing to understand about high level judges
[42:06.400 --> 42:09.400]  They are very political animals
[42:09.400 --> 42:13.400]  They recognize a political football when they see one
[42:13.400 --> 42:17.400]  So the first place I want to get to is the district judge
[42:17.400 --> 42:19.400]  He's the first guy I want to kick
[42:19.400 --> 42:23.400]  But I have to walk up through some officials to get to him
[42:23.400 --> 42:25.400]  But he's always where I want to get to
[42:25.400 --> 42:28.400]  He's the one I want to start kicking around
[42:28.400 --> 42:32.400]  And over something he has nothing to do with
[42:32.400 --> 42:35.400]  He's not the one who rendered the bogus decisions
[42:35.400 --> 42:37.400]  He's just sitting there minding his own business
[42:37.400 --> 42:43.400]  And all of a sudden these problems those other guys created are landing in his lap
[42:43.400 --> 42:47.400]  And he's going to tell them you guys need to get this fixed
[42:47.400 --> 42:51.400]  Because I'm getting in trouble for it and I don't like it
[42:51.400 --> 42:54.400]  This is basically the strategy I go after
[42:54.400 --> 42:56.400]  Does that make sense Bill?
[42:56.400 --> 42:58.400]  Yes it does
[42:58.400 --> 43:06.400]  Now I've got a comment relative to the filing versus receiving of a document
[43:06.400 --> 43:11.400]  Now as an example because I've had the difficulties of getting it filed
[43:11.400 --> 43:15.400]  And getting it recognized as a pleading
[43:15.400 --> 43:19.400]  Or have it just received by a clerk
[43:19.400 --> 43:26.400]  My method was because I couldn't get the other two received or filed
[43:26.400 --> 43:33.400]  What I did is I brought it in as an exhibit tied to a judicial notice within my action
[43:33.400 --> 43:37.400]  And doing it that way the judge is claiming that it's just an exhibit
[43:37.400 --> 43:39.400]  He won't recognize it
[43:39.400 --> 43:42.400]  He's kind of right, kind of not
[43:42.400 --> 43:44.400]  Listen we're going to break
[43:44.400 --> 43:46.400]  Hold on Bill we'll address that on the other side
[43:46.400 --> 43:50.400]  We've also got Wendy from Tennessee who's going to offer her comments
[43:50.400 --> 43:52.400]  Concerning how to start leaning these people's bonds
[43:52.400 --> 43:54.400]  We'll be right back after this break
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[45:23.400 --> 45:34.400]  on our own. This summer I hear the drummin' for dead in Ohio. Gotta get down to it,
[45:34.400 --> 45:58.400]  don't think I'm running us down. Should have been done long ago. What if you do hurt and land the dead on the ground? How can you run when you know?
[45:58.400 --> 46:08.400]  Okay, we are back. The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig. We're here with our guest, Bill Tezak. We also have Wendy from Tennessee on the line.
[46:08.400 --> 46:17.400]  Wendy's going to be offering her comments on this next question as well as talking about strategy for leading these people's bonds at this point because it's time to bring out the big guns here.
[46:17.400 --> 46:23.400]  Now, Bill, before we went to break, you had a question concerning filing versus receiving the documents. Can you repeat the question?
[46:23.400 --> 46:28.400]  And then Randy and Wendy are going to give their answers on that.
[46:28.400 --> 46:39.400]  All right, yeah. The question would be is that due to the fact that I've had difficulty in getting a criminal complaint filed or received by the clerk or by the judge,
[46:39.400 --> 47:01.400]  by bringing it in as an exhibit under a judicial notice, I wanted to essentially get it received or filed as an exhibit. What would be your comment where the judge in this case is refusing to acknowledge a judicial notice and the exhibit that way?
[47:01.400 --> 47:10.400]  Okay, well, the judicial notice relative to the criminal complaint is simply irrelevant.
[47:10.400 --> 47:32.400]  The judge, by virtue of his office, had it made known to him that a crime had been committed. He had it made known by verified criminal affidavit. That invoked his duty as a magistrate, which is a ministerial duty.
[47:32.400 --> 47:43.400]  So I generally don't bring the argument in the court. I wouldn't even tell the court what I wanted him to do with that complaint.
[47:43.400 --> 48:04.400]  When he doesn't make a determination of probable cause and forward the complaint to the clerk of the court, I just file criminal charges against the judge with the grand jury for secreting criminal complaints, for shielding from prosecution or obstruction of justice, whichever statute in California is appropriate.
[48:04.400 --> 48:09.400]  Never bring it up to the judge.
[48:09.400 --> 48:16.400]  There's something about when you don't bring those issues to his attention.
[48:16.400 --> 48:22.400]  You see, my perspective is, I don't talk to criminals.
[48:22.400 --> 48:31.400]  So, once someone has committed a crime, I'm not going to negotiate with them about their crime. They're criminals. We're not going to talk about that.
[48:31.400 --> 48:35.400]  There are other people that I take criminal charges to.
[48:35.400 --> 48:45.400]  So, if the judge commits a crime, if the prosecutor commits a crime, I don't care who it is, then I don't talk to them about it. I take criminal charges and file them somewhere else.
[48:45.400 --> 49:00.400]  And the first time they find out that I'm not happy is when this third party calls them and says, hey, this guy's over here trying to get me to take criminal charges against you.
[49:00.400 --> 49:08.400]  Now, the judge can't talk to me about it. He can't explain his position. He can't bring it up at all.
[49:08.400 --> 49:17.400]  If he says anything about it, I go file retaliation charges against it. And he knows it.
[49:17.400 --> 49:25.400]  So, there's something about not being able to defend yourself that makes you feel hamstrung.
[49:25.400 --> 49:34.400]  So, I don't give them any warning. I set them up to violate the law. When they violate the law, I don't talk to them about it.
[49:34.400 --> 49:41.400]  Once the bell's been rung, the bell's been rung. I'll give you an idea how really good this works.
[49:41.400 --> 49:46.400]  I'm asking a clerk for physical files, and she wants me to look in the computer.
[49:46.400 --> 49:56.400]  And I say, no, I need to see the physical file because I expect to find documents missing, and I need to verify that they're not in here.
[49:56.400 --> 50:03.400]  I don't want them to magically turn up later and say, oh, we forgot to scan this in the computer. We don't want any of that crapola.
[50:03.400 --> 50:09.400]  I want to see what's in the physical file. She said, well, I don't have the time or the staff to do that. You'll just have to look at the computer.
[50:09.400 --> 50:13.400]  Wait right here. I'll be right back. I need to go see security.
[50:13.400 --> 50:18.400]  I go to security and ask them to take a criminal complaint against the clerk.
[50:18.400 --> 50:24.400]  And this little sergeant, he's doing a little song and dance. They bring out a lieutenant, and he says, they're not going to take any complaints.
[50:24.400 --> 50:29.400]  I said, what the heck? I asked the sergeant, what did you bring him for? He's for it. Let's get out of here. Get lost.
[50:29.400 --> 50:34.400]  Give me a real policeman. I call the local police.
[50:34.400 --> 50:39.400]  And while I'm waiting, the clerk comes out with a handful of folders that I'd asked for.
[50:39.400 --> 50:46.400]  And she's walking with this lieutenant and the lieutenant started to say something to me and I held both hands up, stop, stop, stop.
[50:46.400 --> 50:53.400]  I can't talk to either one of you. I have someone coming to take criminal complaints against you.
[50:53.400 --> 51:00.400]  So it's not appropriate for me to talk to you. And the guy says, well, she's giving you the files that you requested.
[51:00.400 --> 51:08.400]  Sorry, Bubba. That bill's been wrong. I'll make my explanations to the sheriff when he gets here.
[51:08.400 --> 51:18.400]  The clerk was absolutely mortified. She simply could not believe this was happening.
[51:18.400 --> 51:24.400]  I go to Randall County now. They go out of their way to give me what I want.
[51:24.400 --> 51:29.400]  They would give it to me before I asked for it, if they could figure out what it was.
[51:29.400 --> 51:39.400]  Because they figure everything I say, everything I do is a setup so I can nail them again.
[51:39.400 --> 51:48.400]  So when you give these complaints to that judge, no matter how he gets them, he is notified.
[51:48.400 --> 51:55.400]  And if he didn't act in his magisterial capacity, I'd file on him for that.
[51:55.400 --> 52:01.400]  All right. Now, Wendy, you were talking on the break. You had a way of dealing with this as well.
[52:01.400 --> 52:06.400]  Would you please give your comments on Bill's question? And then I want you to explain about the bond leaning.
[52:06.400 --> 52:14.400]  Yes. What I am asked was if the clerks had stopped him from filing things in the courts.
[52:14.400 --> 52:18.400]  Well, I was saying to get away on that, as long as it's published in the public record,
[52:18.400 --> 52:25.400]  and how you can do that is send a copy to them and do a file on demand.
[52:25.400 --> 52:30.400]  I have them send you a copy back, file stamp, but send you a copy of your document,
[52:30.400 --> 52:37.400]  register mail to you, so it's registered with a U.S. Mail tab.
[52:37.400 --> 52:38.400]  Okay.
[52:38.400 --> 52:39.400]  And it puts it into public.
[52:39.400 --> 52:44.400]  All right. Now, I've sent the criminal complaint in via certified mail to the clerk's office,
[52:44.400 --> 52:48.400]  as well as tried to bring it to them over the counter.
[52:48.400 --> 52:55.400]  And what they're doing is saying that the only way that they can accept the criminal complaint is through the DA.
[52:55.400 --> 53:00.400]  And my method is to take it over to the sheriff's department.
[53:00.400 --> 53:05.400]  And my standard phrase is under what legal authority do I have to do that?
[53:05.400 --> 53:13.400]  Because as far as I'm concerned, under Penal Code 806, I can bring any document within the court.
[53:13.400 --> 53:17.400]  You have any other legal authority contrary to that.
[53:17.400 --> 53:18.400]  Okay, here's your problem.
[53:18.400 --> 53:19.400]  And they never have it.
[53:19.400 --> 53:20.400]  Here's the problem.
[53:20.400 --> 53:26.400]  The clerk has no duty to accept a criminal complaint.
[53:26.400 --> 53:30.400]  The magistrate has a duty to accept a criminal complaint.
[53:30.400 --> 53:31.400]  The police officer doesn't.
[53:31.400 --> 53:32.400]  And so does the grand jury.
[53:32.400 --> 53:33.400]  The prosecutor doesn't.
[53:33.400 --> 53:36.400]  Yes, and a grand jury.
[53:36.400 --> 53:37.400]  The problem is getting to the grand jury.
[53:37.400 --> 53:46.400]  You can get to the judge, and every magistrate has a duty to accept a criminal complaint.
[53:46.400 --> 53:47.400]  The clerk doesn't.
[53:47.400 --> 53:49.400]  Generally, clerks get criminal complaints.
[53:49.400 --> 53:54.400]  They're supposed to get them from the magistrate, not the prosecutor.
[53:54.400 --> 54:04.400]  In law in Texas, nothing directs a criminal complaint to anyone except a magistrate.
[54:04.400 --> 54:07.400]  Now, everybody gives them to the police and the prosecutors.
[54:07.400 --> 54:15.400]  But the law tells a policeman that if he receives a criminal complaint, that he's to give that criminal complaint to some magistrate.
[54:15.400 --> 54:21.400]  It says when a prosecuting attorney receives a criminal complaint, he is to give it to some magistrate.
[54:21.400 --> 54:23.400]  Everything directs it to the magistrate.
[54:23.400 --> 54:25.400]  That's why the clerk's the wrong one.
[54:25.400 --> 54:34.400]  She has no duty to accept it except when the magistrate forwards it to her after a determination of probable cause.
[54:34.400 --> 54:38.400]  So send that to the magistrate.
[54:38.400 --> 55:01.400]  If you have other filings, mail them to the clerk, mail three copies, put a letter on top asking the clerk to mark one original, stamp and keep, stamp the other two, put them in the stamp self-address envelope, and return.
[55:01.400 --> 55:06.400]  Send them to the clerk, registered mail, return receipt.
[55:06.400 --> 55:17.400]  If you don't receive your copy back, then you have reason to believe someone's tampered with the mail, and you send the postal inspectors in.
[55:17.400 --> 55:25.400]  I did send a registered mail over to the appellate court as well as the Supreme Court and other ones.
[55:25.400 --> 55:32.400]  And the appellate court turned around and the Senate sent the whole document back to me.
[55:32.400 --> 55:40.400]  What was interesting is because I had it bound, a velo bound, the velo binding was taken off,
[55:40.400 --> 55:50.400]  and you could tell that there was copies of it made for those justices in the appellate court that had been named in the criminal action before it was sent back to me.
[55:50.400 --> 55:56.400]  And they said, they give you that little pink sheet that says what their reason was.
[55:56.400 --> 56:05.400]  They put other, and their other reason was is that they can't accept the document, but there was no legal authority to support that.
[56:05.400 --> 56:15.400]  Then you need to file criminal charges against them for misfeasance in office, failing to perform their duty as a magistrate.
[56:15.400 --> 56:16.400]  Okay.
[56:16.400 --> 56:19.400]  They're not thinking about it that way.
[56:19.400 --> 56:30.400]  Most judges think that only JPs can take criminal complaints or low-level judges, but they're all magistrates.
[56:30.400 --> 56:32.400]  It invokes the same duty on all of them.
[56:32.400 --> 56:44.400]  And as far as a clerk not taking a, not filing a document, I don't particularly care what a judge or a prosecutor or anybody else may have told them.
[56:44.400 --> 56:50.400]  When I come to file a document, if they don't take the document, then I just go file criminal charges against them.
[56:50.400 --> 56:52.400]  And Wendy, you're about to say something also.
[56:52.400 --> 56:53.400]  Yeah, I was going to tell.
[56:53.400 --> 56:54.400]  Is it Bill?
[56:54.400 --> 56:55.400]  Yes.
[56:55.400 --> 56:56.400]  Okay.
[56:56.400 --> 57:07.400]  Another way to get to the grand jury is I have stayed, stood outside the Justice Center here in Blount County, Tennessee, and as the grand jury was being convened,
[57:07.400 --> 57:14.400]  I stood there like I was part of the setup, and I said, grand jury, and people say, yes.
[57:14.400 --> 57:21.400]  And I said, and I handed them my complaints, and I tailed them to go to the third floor, the last room on the right.
[57:21.400 --> 57:24.400]  But everyone had got my criminal complaints.
[57:24.400 --> 57:26.400]  They were real nervous.
[57:26.400 --> 57:31.400]  The district attorney walked up and down the hallway for hours.
[57:31.400 --> 57:36.400]  Interesting.
[57:36.400 --> 57:38.400]  And I interrupt the court.
[57:38.400 --> 57:41.400]  Everything Randy has told me.
[57:41.400 --> 57:46.400]  We now call that pulling a Wendy.
[57:46.400 --> 58:01.400]  The thing is, you're a sovereign citizen, and you may do anything that you are not specifically forbidden to do.
[58:01.400 --> 58:13.400]  When I went, when I was in North Carolina, the reason I filed is because nothing told me I couldn't speak to the former of the grand jury while he was sitting on the toilet or eating breakfast or anything else.
[58:13.400 --> 58:15.400]  Therefore, I can't.
[58:15.400 --> 58:21.400]  Anyone who tries to stop me denies me in a right and commits a crime.
[58:21.400 --> 58:23.400]  All right, listen, we're going to break.
[58:23.400 --> 58:32.400]  And when we get back, I want Wendy to address Bill and talk about how he can start going through the process of leading these people's bonds.
[58:32.400 --> 58:37.400]  Because we need to be able to hit these people at every angle.
[58:37.400 --> 58:45.400]  I mean, not just with statutes and not just with civil litigation, but also with commercial because it's very effective.
[58:45.400 --> 58:47.400]  All these methods are very effective.
[58:47.400 --> 58:53.400]  And when you combine them with like a three pronged approach, they can really get a lot done here.
[58:53.400 --> 59:21.400]  We'll be right back after this short break.
[59:21.400 --> 59:23.400]  All right.
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[01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:36.400]  Yeah.
[01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:41.400]  I'm not sure.
[01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:59.400]  Hey, I knew that.
[01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:04.400]  Nothing left for me.
[01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:16.400]  I paid a price and I'll keep paying.
[01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:41.400]  I'm not ready.
[01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:58.400]  I know.
[01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:04.400]  I kind of like.
[01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:32.400]  They might be.
[01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.400]  OK, we are back.
[01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:38.400]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:45.400]  We've got Wendy from Tennessee on the line and our guest, Bill Tezak, discussing how we're going to go after these rogues.
[01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:59.400]  OK, so, Wendy, at this point in time, after much ado, I want you to discuss the bond leaning process and give your comments on how Bill could go about doing this.
[01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:05.400]  It sounds like there's a whole lot of public servants here that need to have their bonds leaned in Bill's case.
[01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.400]  So please go ahead.
[01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:08.400]  OK.
[01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:14.400]  The first thing is you need the UCC-1 process to make sure you're secure party.
[01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:24.400]  And then on the individuals in our case, we filed an affidavit negative veermint opportunity to cure counterclaim.
[01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:25.400]  OK.
[01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:30.400]  Can you explain what the negative veermint is?
[01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:33.400]  OK, it is commercial, international commercial process.
[01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:37.400]  And it's, you state your, you know, the negative points.
[01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.400]  And they have to rebut this.
[01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:44.400]  Unrebutted affidavit stands as law.
[01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.400]  I actually got that maximum law.
[01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:51.400]  Anyway, so they have to rebut that point by point.
[01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:57.400]  What they cannot rebut, and they'll try to rebut everything else, is they cannot rebut the name thing.
[01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:00.400]  OK, the off cap name, I've been through this.
[01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:02.400]  We've had like 10 negative veermints.
[01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.400]  They've never rebutted the name.
[01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.400]  They made up stupid crap, and it doesn't matter.
[01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:10.400]  But they have to rebut point by point.
[01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.400]  That's the abatement, right, Wendy?
[01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:13.400]  Yes.
[01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.400]  It's the abatement.
[01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:24.400]  And then at the end of that, after the counterclaim, you give them seven days, seven to 14 days.
[01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:28.400]  And then you do a default, notice the default.
[01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:34.400]  And I give them about three, four days, sometimes five, whatever I feel like it.
[01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.400]  Unless I get 21 days in, I'm OK.
[01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:39.400]  And then I file the second notice of default.
[01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:44.400]  And then I do a demand for payment and the second demand for payment.
[01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.400]  Then I would file what they call a nihil-de-sit.
[01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.400]  Nihil-de-sit means they said nothing.
[01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:56.400]  And you don't answer your process, so they defaulted.
[01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.400]  That actually causes the lien on them.
[01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:09.400]  And I didn't know this until after we filed a nihil-de-sit, and the prosecutor is on their negative veermint.
[01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:19.400]  And then they had the register of deeds file suit against this because he couldn't obtain his home financing because that nihil-de-sit.
[01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:27.400]  Now, Wendy, can you explain, OK, if these people have bonds, which is kind of like insurance for themselves as a public official,
[01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:35.400]  if they have this bond, how does this process actually filter down to their personal finances?
[01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:40.400]  OK, your affidavit negative veermint is also your claim.
[01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:52.400]  So at the end of your process, and it's being cured and perfected, you send a copy of that claim to their bonding company, their insurance company.
[01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:58.400]  OK, now I found I was able to get the bonds here, you know, where I live in Tennessee, quite easily.
[01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.400]  And I want a copy of all their bonds.
[01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:08.400]  So along with my claim, and once they have violated the laws and stuff, I put the cover letter on.
[01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:12.400]  I put their bond copy of it.
[01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:17.400]  I put their maritime liens with that.
[01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:23.400]  Any criminal complaints I have that could pertain to that, I put that on there as well.
[01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:29.400]  Anyway, and the insurance company will actually send you some confirmation.
[01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:33.400]  I've got some more paperwork I've seen into the clerk's bond right now.
[01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:37.400]  I've got more criminal complaints and stuff.
[01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:42.400]  So I'm working on that process of liquidating his bond.
[01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:53.400]  Now, Wendy, how did you actually determine what bond company that they have a bond with?
[01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:58.400]  Well, when I got the copy of their bonds, and here in Blount County,
[01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:02.400]  most of their bonds were kept in the county commissioner's office.
[01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:06.400]  Some I got through the secretary of state in Tennessee.
[01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:11.400]  I got a copy of that, and it states who the insurance carrier is.
[01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.400]  Now, ours is through the Cincinnati Insurance Company.
[01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:22.400]  Yes, the bond is simply an insurance policy, and this goes to disbursement of funds.
[01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:24.400]  There's no way they can hide it.
[01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:29.400]  Yeah, and if you have trouble finding it, I'm sure you could obtain that information from open records.
[01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:30.400]  Is that correct?
[01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:31.400]  Yes.
[01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:33.400]  Okay.
[01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:41.400]  And the other thing is with our register of deeds, her not wanting to file any more documents for us,
[01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:47.400]  it's not her place to determine what is right to be filed or not.
[01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:59.400]  So you make a complaint on that bond, hers, the register of deeds, is open end, is for any amount.
[01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:00.400]  How do you justify that?
[01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:07.400]  How do you get around having to show harm?
[01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:08.400]  Say that one more time.
[01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.400]  I'll switch gears.
[01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:15.400]  How do you get around having to justify the amount by harm?
[01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:22.400]  Well, on your counterclaim, it states each amount and why you're charging that amount.
[01:08:22.400 --> 01:08:28.400]  That's their, I guess, an invoice, sort of, I want to charge it for.
[01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:35.400]  So you've given them notice, and if they default on the notice, then they waive their right to object.
[01:08:35.400 --> 01:08:36.400]  Is that the idea?
[01:08:36.400 --> 01:08:37.400]  Exactly.
[01:08:37.400 --> 01:08:41.400]  They accept that amount as their payment.
[01:08:41.400 --> 01:08:47.400]  So we turn this thing about waiving your rights back on its head and feed it back to them.
[01:08:47.400 --> 01:08:48.400]  Yes.
[01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:53.400]  They certainly like to do that to us.
[01:08:53.400 --> 01:08:56.400]  I like the idea of waive your bank account.
[01:08:56.400 --> 01:09:01.400]  This is the first thing that we had done because they just ignored us and act like we're invisible.
[01:09:01.400 --> 01:09:04.400]  Okay, I know I'm fictitious there and I'm not.
[01:09:04.400 --> 01:09:06.400]  I can't peer nor disappear.
[01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:08.400]  But this really got their attention.
[01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:11.400]  Boy, they were making motions to strike and everything else.
[01:09:11.400 --> 01:09:12.400]  This is wild.
[01:09:12.400 --> 01:09:16.400]  But they cannot dismiss your counterclaim, only you.
[01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:19.400]  And they'll tell you repeatedly, we have dismissed it.
[01:09:19.400 --> 01:09:22.400]  And I'll tell them, no, you have not.
[01:09:22.400 --> 01:09:23.400]  You do not have my permission.
[01:09:23.400 --> 01:09:26.400]  Then they bring me back to court and say, it's dismissed.
[01:09:26.400 --> 01:09:28.400]  I'm, no, it's not.
[01:09:28.400 --> 01:09:30.400]  Don't give me permission.
[01:09:30.400 --> 01:09:36.400]  So where would they have to derive authority over the bond?
[01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:40.400]  Does the court actually have authority over that bond?
[01:09:40.400 --> 01:09:41.400]  No, it doesn't.
[01:09:41.400 --> 01:09:46.400]  When you go into amnesty, you go into like a common law, which is actually the law of the land.
[01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:53.400]  And that's where they do not have authority to come because God's law was first in line.
[01:09:53.400 --> 01:09:58.400]  They cannot change the Ten Commandments, the Bible, his law.
[01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:02.400]  Okay, here's where I'm running into some difficulty.
[01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:06.400]  I did research on maritime.
[01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:10.400]  And whatever this is, it's not maritime.
[01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:18.400]  It may well be commercial and common law, but maritime is not, the lien is not a maritime lien.
[01:10:18.400 --> 01:10:21.400]  It's a commercial lien, not a maritime lien.
[01:10:21.400 --> 01:10:25.400]  Well, the thing is, Randy, if she's filing a lien with the Coast Guard, it is.
[01:10:25.400 --> 01:10:26.400]  No, it isn't.
[01:10:26.400 --> 01:10:28.400]  It's an international commercial claim.
[01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:33.400]  There's no difference where you file it, and this is out of the case law.
[01:10:33.400 --> 01:10:37.400]  A maritime lien has a very specific purpose.
[01:10:37.400 --> 01:10:42.400]  That's to capture a vessel that could leave your jurisdiction.
[01:10:42.400 --> 01:10:50.400]  The vessel comes into your jurisdiction, purchases, goods or services, doesn't pay for them.
[01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:55.400]  There is the risk the vessel could pull anchor and leave the jurisdiction.
[01:10:55.400 --> 01:11:05.400]  You get a lien, you grab the vessel, your lien stands above everybody else's because of the mobile nature of the vessel.
[01:11:05.400 --> 01:11:11.400]  That doesn't apply on the ground, and it doesn't apply in the air above the ground.
[01:11:11.400 --> 01:11:12.400]  Okay.
[01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:20.400]  But you still have a commercial lien, and the commercial lien has just as much effect without making a difference because it clouds the title.
[01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:21.400]  Right.
[01:11:21.400 --> 01:11:28.400]  Well, when you take the case, the negative impairment in animal case jurisdiction, okay, under the Savings and Suitors Clause,
[01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:34.400]  28 U.S.C. 1333, subsection one, that brings it onto land.
[01:11:34.400 --> 01:11:45.400]  The Judiciary Act of 1789 is when they brought it into land because people were stealing their goods and stuff off these boats, and they ran off with it.
[01:11:45.400 --> 01:11:48.400]  But it has to be connected.
[01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:51.400]  It has to be connected.
[01:11:51.400 --> 01:12:03.400]  If a product is shipped across the ocean, if a person pays for all of the shipment, and it ships across the ocean and then goes to rail,
[01:12:03.400 --> 01:12:19.400]  and a torch created in the rail car carriage, then because it's intertwined with the maritime, you can hold it in the maritime, but it has to be connected to the water.
[01:12:19.400 --> 01:12:23.400]  It's not the vessel that creates the jurisdiction.
[01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:33.400]  It's the water the vessel's floating on that creates the jurisdiction, but I really don't see that there's much of an issue anyway.
[01:12:33.400 --> 01:12:36.400]  The lien is still the lien.
[01:12:36.400 --> 01:12:45.400]  Cornell Law website, I believe it's where it is, you can look at vessel.
[01:12:45.400 --> 01:12:52.400]  A vessel is also what they call a man or woman, God's vessel.
[01:12:52.400 --> 01:12:54.400]  That's a vessel.
[01:12:54.400 --> 01:12:55.400]  Huh?
[01:12:55.400 --> 01:12:56.400]  That's a vessel.
[01:12:56.400 --> 01:12:57.400]  No, it's a vessel.
[01:12:57.400 --> 01:13:01.400]  Even in the Bible, Randy, it says that we are vessels made to contain the Holy Spirit.
[01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:02.400]  Uh-huh.
[01:13:02.400 --> 01:13:03.400]  Contained.
[01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:05.400]  Not vessel, vessel.
[01:13:05.400 --> 01:13:10.400]  The vessel does not get you to maritime.
[01:13:10.400 --> 01:13:15.400]  That's what I've been hearing, but in reading the case law, it's not the vessel.
[01:13:15.400 --> 01:13:19.400]  It's the sea the vessel floats upon.
[01:13:19.400 --> 01:13:21.400]  That's what gets you to maritime.
[01:13:21.400 --> 01:13:22.400]  Okay.
[01:13:22.400 --> 01:13:25.400]  I'm going to dispute a little bit here.
[01:13:25.400 --> 01:13:37.400]  Do you realize when you're birth, once they do this, and you're down the birth canal, your body's made of more water.
[01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:39.400]  It's not sea water.
[01:13:39.400 --> 01:13:43.400]  And a guy's working on a ship they're building in Dry Dock.
[01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:45.400]  He gets killed.
[01:13:45.400 --> 01:13:51.400]  The estate sues under maritime.
[01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:56.400]  It sues the insurance company that provided maritime insurance.
[01:13:56.400 --> 01:14:01.400]  They sued the insurance company in maritime law.
[01:14:01.400 --> 01:14:04.400]  And the court come back and said, no, you can't.
[01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:06.400]  The ship was not on the sea.
[01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:08.400]  It was in Dry Dock.
[01:14:08.400 --> 01:14:12.400]  Therefore, the case is not salty enough.
[01:14:12.400 --> 01:14:20.400]  If he was killed working on a ship that was floating on the water, the maritime would apply.
[01:14:20.400 --> 01:14:25.400]  But since it wasn't on the water, the maritime did not apply.
[01:14:25.400 --> 01:14:28.400]  Well, but here's the only thing about what you're saying, Randy.
[01:14:28.400 --> 01:14:30.400]  It's navigable waters.
[01:14:30.400 --> 01:14:32.400]  It does not have to be salty.
[01:14:32.400 --> 01:14:33.400]  That's true.
[01:14:33.400 --> 01:14:35.400]  The water is navigable also.
[01:14:35.400 --> 01:14:45.400]  That's true, but the point was that it wasn't on navigable waters.
[01:14:45.400 --> 01:14:48.400]  And I'm going to reach over there.
[01:14:48.400 --> 01:14:50.400]  I'm crazy on this one.
[01:14:50.400 --> 01:14:51.400]  Salty water?
[01:14:51.400 --> 01:14:54.400]  I would just say that motel not long ago.
[01:14:54.400 --> 01:14:58.400]  And that pool was real salty.
[01:14:58.400 --> 01:15:02.400]  But it's not navigable.
[01:15:02.400 --> 01:15:04.400]  So you can't get there.
[01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:05.400]  Okay.
[01:15:05.400 --> 01:15:10.400]  Well, Randy, what about the case law that shows that you can bring admiralty law onto the land?
[01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:13.400]  There's some cases.
[01:15:13.400 --> 01:15:16.400]  All of it I've seen quoted is too old.
[01:15:16.400 --> 01:15:19.400]  If it's beyond 1966, it does not apply.
[01:15:19.400 --> 01:15:21.400]  Why?
[01:15:21.400 --> 01:15:30.400]  Because in 1966, they combined the admiralty and the civil, changed everything.
[01:15:30.400 --> 01:15:39.400]  The Huntress and Genesee cases they keep quoting simply do not apply.
[01:15:39.400 --> 01:15:42.400]  They're no longer good law.
[01:15:42.400 --> 01:15:52.400]  Well, but that means that any Supreme Court decision made prior to then has just been completely abolished even if there hasn't been a case overturning it just because it predates a certain period.
[01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:54.400]  No.
[01:15:54.400 --> 01:15:57.400]  Not exactly.
[01:15:57.400 --> 01:16:05.400]  But when they made these changes, see, they used to say that everything all commercial is maritime.
[01:16:05.400 --> 01:16:06.400]  Not anymore.
[01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:07.400]  It's absolutely not.
[01:16:07.400 --> 01:16:11.400]  By the case law, it clearly is not.
[01:16:11.400 --> 01:16:16.400]  It used to be that all IRS was maritime.
[01:16:16.400 --> 01:16:26.400]  Clearly changed by the 1966 recombination of merging maritime with civil.
[01:16:26.400 --> 01:16:32.400]  Everything wasn't overturned, but a good portion of it was.
[01:16:32.400 --> 01:16:34.400]  Okay, well, listen, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:34.400 --> 01:16:36.400]  We can discuss this more on the other side.
[01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:39.400]  We still got Bill with us and Wendy.
[01:16:39.400 --> 01:16:49.400]  And I think, like we were mentioning earlier, it appears that it's not, it doesn't really matter whether it's maritime lien or not, except for maritime liens are first in line in front of everything else.
[01:16:49.400 --> 01:16:52.400]  But that may not really make that much of a difference in most of these cases.
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[01:18:51.400 --> 01:18:55.400]  The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[01:18:55.400 --> 01:18:58.400]  We've got our two guests, Bill Teesak and Wendy from Tennessee.
[01:18:58.400 --> 01:19:00.400]  And callers, I did see you all on the board.
[01:19:00.400 --> 01:19:03.400]  Nolan from North Carolina.
[01:19:03.400 --> 01:19:04.400]  I know I told you to call back in.
[01:19:04.400 --> 01:19:10.400]  We're running a little bit over time here talking to our guests about these liens and the situation.
[01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:15.400]  So when we're done, Nolan, callers, you can please call back on in.
[01:19:15.400 --> 01:19:18.400]  We want to go over this at least one more segment here.
[01:19:18.400 --> 01:19:26.400]  Okay, and Bill, yeah, so you were talking about how to go through this process and what the first steps are.
[01:19:26.400 --> 01:19:30.400]  And you do have to set yourself up as a secured party.
[01:19:30.400 --> 01:19:37.400]  You're a natural living soul as a secured party and the straw man as a debtor to yourself as a secured party
[01:19:37.400 --> 01:19:41.400]  before you can start down this road, down this process.
[01:19:41.400 --> 01:19:48.400]  Okay, because the courts, all law is actually written to apply to commercial realm.
[01:19:48.400 --> 01:19:52.400]  Eddie Craig and I went over this one night in great detail.
[01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:58.400]  It's really true that no man has the authority to write laws over any other men.
[01:19:58.400 --> 01:20:03.400]  Okay, and if you look at the way that the laws are structured, okay,
[01:20:03.400 --> 01:20:09.400]  you will see like the definition of person and all these kinds of things.
[01:20:09.400 --> 01:20:17.400]  Everything, even regular statute, the penal code, everything is written to deal with in the realm of commerce.
[01:20:17.400 --> 01:20:19.400]  Okay, everything deals in the realm of commerce.
[01:20:19.400 --> 01:20:24.400]  All law really is commercial, but it's just the way that they're written and the words that they use,
[01:20:24.400 --> 01:20:27.400]  it kind of fools us into thinking that it really does apply to us.
[01:20:27.400 --> 01:20:34.400]  Now the way they actually get to us as living souls is because we don't know the difference
[01:20:34.400 --> 01:20:38.400]  and because we have not separated ourselves from our straw man entity.
[01:20:38.400 --> 01:20:41.400]  And a lot of people call the straw man a corporation, but it's really not.
[01:20:41.400 --> 01:20:42.400]  It's a trust.
[01:20:42.400 --> 01:20:52.400]  Okay, so what you do with the UCC-1 filing is you define the straw man, your name in all caps, all right,
[01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:56.400]  whatever name is on like your Social Security card, all right, et cetera.
[01:20:56.400 --> 01:20:59.400]  That is the straw man entity, the trust.
[01:20:59.400 --> 01:21:04.400]  And you set up that straw man as the debtor and yourself as a living soul,
[01:21:04.400 --> 01:21:06.400]  which would be your name in upper-lower case,
[01:21:06.400 --> 01:21:11.400]  or you may have a slightly different name that you have as your living soul.
[01:21:11.400 --> 01:21:15.400]  That is your, you are the secured party.
[01:21:15.400 --> 01:21:22.400]  And so that way you protect yourself from whatever obligations or liabilities a straw man incurs.
[01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:23.400]  And so you do that first.
[01:21:23.400 --> 01:21:29.400]  And there's a procedure that you go through this is listed in the Tim Turner documents in the Tim Turner DVD.
[01:21:29.400 --> 01:21:31.400]  And I'm going through that process right now.
[01:21:31.400 --> 01:21:33.400]  Jerry and I have filed our initial UCC-1 form,
[01:21:33.400 --> 01:21:39.400]  and now we need to go back and file the addendums and the amendments and all that stuff and list all the property, et cetera.
[01:21:39.400 --> 01:21:40.400]  So you go through this process.
[01:21:40.400 --> 01:21:47.400]  It takes a couple weeks, about three weeks, and it's taking me longer because I just have a lot of other things to do.
[01:21:47.400 --> 01:21:49.400]  But Wendy can help you with that.
[01:21:49.400 --> 01:21:53.400]  Agenda 21 guys can help you with that as well.
[01:21:53.400 --> 01:21:56.400]  And so after you do that, then you can start filing these other documents.
[01:21:56.400 --> 01:22:02.400]  So Wendy, you wanted to address the UCC-1 liens.
[01:22:02.400 --> 01:22:03.400]  Yes.
[01:22:03.400 --> 01:22:09.400]  And I have placed also a notice of the UCC-1 liens, which as a collateral,
[01:22:09.400 --> 01:22:17.400]  I have used the international commercial claim, which is their negative vehemence, and their certified mail numbers.
[01:22:17.400 --> 01:22:19.400]  That is the collateral.
[01:22:19.400 --> 01:22:26.400]  And in the amount of – and I could give you that documentation of the amount they owe.
[01:22:26.400 --> 01:22:32.400]  And that's international all over the world.
[01:22:32.400 --> 01:22:36.400]  I don't want them to buy Coke, okay?
[01:22:36.400 --> 01:22:38.400]  Forget that.
[01:22:38.400 --> 01:22:43.400]  I want them to starve, okay?
[01:22:43.400 --> 01:22:46.400]  I really love them, okay?
[01:22:46.400 --> 01:22:49.400]  But, I mean, there's a lot of things you can do.
[01:22:49.400 --> 01:22:56.400]  And on your UCC-3 addendum, your court documents, you can do a private invoice number,
[01:22:56.400 --> 01:23:01.400]  and include that number on your property list.
[01:23:01.400 --> 01:23:05.400]  And that means you're first in line.
[01:23:05.400 --> 01:23:08.400]  I mean, you've got claim to that document.
[01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:09.400]  Wait a minute.
[01:23:09.400 --> 01:23:11.400]  Say that again, Wendy, when you file your UCC-3?
[01:23:11.400 --> 01:23:12.400]  Yes.
[01:23:12.400 --> 01:23:13.400]  On your property list?
[01:23:13.400 --> 01:23:14.400]  Uh-huh.
[01:23:14.400 --> 01:23:18.400]  And, you know, any kind of court documents or anything you want to keep a value,
[01:23:18.400 --> 01:23:22.400]  I mean, you put a number that you want to record it under.
[01:23:22.400 --> 01:23:24.400]  And, you know, you don't have to say what it is.
[01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:25.400]  You know what it is.
[01:23:25.400 --> 01:23:28.400]  And put it on your property list, and that is yours.
[01:23:28.400 --> 01:23:30.400]  What do you mean, like, what kind of court documents?
[01:23:30.400 --> 01:23:32.400]  Like, if you're involved in the case or something?
[01:23:32.400 --> 01:23:34.400]  Yes.
[01:23:34.400 --> 01:23:39.400]  You mean, like, you put the cause number of a case as property?
[01:23:39.400 --> 01:23:40.400]  Yes.
[01:23:40.400 --> 01:23:41.400]  Oh, my God.
[01:23:41.400 --> 01:23:42.400]  Really?
[01:23:42.400 --> 01:23:43.400]  Yes.
[01:23:43.400 --> 01:23:47.400]  What if somebody else has already claimed it as property on a UCC form?
[01:23:47.400 --> 01:23:49.400]  Have you seen it?
[01:23:49.400 --> 01:23:51.400]  Well, I don't have a case right now.
[01:23:51.400 --> 01:23:53.400]  I'm just asking a hypothetical question.
[01:23:53.400 --> 01:23:55.400]  Well...
[01:23:55.400 --> 01:23:57.400]  Somebody would have to challenge it.
[01:23:57.400 --> 01:23:58.400]  Well, so far no one has, okay?
[01:23:58.400 --> 01:24:00.400]  Somebody would have to challenge it.
[01:24:00.400 --> 01:24:06.400]  Because you have to realize they come in as fictitious entities, okay?
[01:24:06.400 --> 01:24:17.400]  And since you're doing your power of attorney to speak for that straw man, you know, you can take possession of what his property is.
[01:24:17.400 --> 01:24:20.400]  Can you put, like, your Social Security number on...
[01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:25.400]  Absolutely.
[01:24:25.400 --> 01:24:28.400]  Yeah, your birth certificate.
[01:24:28.400 --> 01:24:33.400]  That means you would own all the bonds and all the securities documents that are created off of it.
[01:24:33.400 --> 01:24:38.400]  Absolutely.
[01:24:38.400 --> 01:24:39.400]  Sounds pretty good to me.
[01:24:39.400 --> 01:24:42.400]  Sounds like this is a very powerful procedure here.
[01:24:42.400 --> 01:24:51.400]  Now, if somebody else, like, if a government entity has already listed that as property on another UCC form, they would have to challenge that in court, I would suppose.
[01:24:51.400 --> 01:24:54.400]  Is that right?
[01:24:54.400 --> 01:24:57.400]  Yeah, but are they going to try to?
[01:24:57.400 --> 01:25:04.400]  Are they going to try to determine what they actually own, something?
[01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:08.400]  But the first one in line is it owns it.
[01:25:08.400 --> 01:25:13.400]  If you have a claim before they make a claim, do you think they're going to do a UCC to claim that document?
[01:25:13.400 --> 01:25:14.400]  Right.
[01:25:14.400 --> 01:25:15.400]  Probably not.
[01:25:15.400 --> 01:25:19.400]  They're lazy.
[01:25:19.400 --> 01:25:24.400]  Interesting.
[01:25:24.400 --> 01:25:26.400]  Yeah, I've got a lot of things on my mind.
[01:25:26.400 --> 01:25:30.400]  I've got my fingerprints, my blood, my urine, you name it.
[01:25:30.400 --> 01:25:32.400]  I own it all.
[01:25:32.400 --> 01:25:37.400]  Now, okay, so, Wendy, you heard Bill's story.
[01:25:37.400 --> 01:25:45.400]  Who do you think that he should go after first to start the lien process after he does his UCC-1 filings?
[01:25:45.400 --> 01:25:51.400]  Well, I would go after the appellate court judges.
[01:25:51.400 --> 01:25:53.400]  It seems like that's where he's at right now.
[01:25:53.400 --> 01:25:58.400]  It's in past the state, but, you know, you can go back and claim them all.
[01:25:58.400 --> 01:26:02.400]  I mean, I've got 57 individuals.
[01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:04.400]  Yeah, that would be my plan.
[01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:11.400]  Obviously, the appellate justices, I figure, are the worst because they're holding the cards right now.
[01:26:11.400 --> 01:26:13.400]  Right.
[01:26:13.400 --> 01:26:15.400]  And they will drop you like a hawk.
[01:26:15.400 --> 01:26:21.400]  Now, I've had four cases dismissed because of Native Americans.
[01:26:21.400 --> 01:26:25.400]  Okay, well, I'm already in that process right now, and they're trying to dismiss things,
[01:26:25.400 --> 01:26:30.400]  but I'm getting them back on track.
[01:26:30.400 --> 01:26:37.400]  Well, there's this criminal case of growing flowers, so we had criminal cases dismissed.
[01:26:37.400 --> 01:26:38.400]  Oh, okay.
[01:26:38.400 --> 01:26:40.400]  Yeah, I'm strictly civil.
[01:26:40.400 --> 01:26:42.400]  Yeah.
[01:26:42.400 --> 01:26:50.400]  Yeah, we have illegal flowers, apparently.
[01:26:50.400 --> 01:26:53.400]  Anyway, anything else?
[01:26:53.400 --> 01:26:56.400]  Yeah, you have any other questions for Wendy, Bill?
[01:26:56.400 --> 01:27:03.400]  Well, basically, like I said before, if you have these procedures documented, you know,
[01:27:03.400 --> 01:27:11.400]  somewhere I'd like to get your email address to correspond because it's usually easier for me to be handheld the first time or second time.
[01:27:11.400 --> 01:27:17.400]  Otherwise, if there's some detailed procedures on it, I definitely follow procedures pretty well.
[01:27:17.400 --> 01:27:20.400]  Okay, sure.
[01:27:20.400 --> 01:27:22.400]  I'm going to give you my email address, okay?
[01:27:22.400 --> 01:27:23.400]  Okay.
[01:27:23.400 --> 01:27:32.400]  And then I'll give you my phone number, you know, and it's, I won't spell it, lowercase, F-L-O-W-E-R-G-U-L.
[01:27:32.400 --> 01:27:36.400]  Wait a minute, F-L-O-W-E-R.
[01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:39.400]  G-U-L 41.
[01:27:39.400 --> 01:27:41.400]  G-U-L 41?
[01:27:41.400 --> 01:27:44.400]  Uh-huh, at yahoo.com.
[01:27:44.400 --> 01:27:47.400]  Okay.
[01:27:47.400 --> 01:27:53.400]  So that's flower, G-U-L 41 at yahoo.com.
[01:27:53.400 --> 01:27:56.400]  Yeah, it's flower girl.
[01:27:56.400 --> 01:27:59.400]  Oh, flower girl, not flower girl.
[01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:03.400]  And girl was taken, so flower girl had to get work.
[01:28:03.400 --> 01:28:05.400]  I see.
[01:28:05.400 --> 01:28:08.400]  Yeah, and Bill, also, if you listen to Agenda 21 Talk,
[01:28:08.400 --> 01:28:14.400]  they're the show on this network that comes on at 6 on Fridays and at 8 on Tuesday Central Time,
[01:28:14.400 --> 01:28:19.400]  and they know quite a bit about this process as well.
[01:28:19.400 --> 01:28:21.400]  Yeah, it sounds like it's a pretty good one.
[01:28:21.400 --> 01:28:24.400]  Yeah, it really does.
[01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:31.400]  Now, is there any comment relative or have you dealt with filing claims against the state?
[01:28:31.400 --> 01:28:42.400]  Basically, what I have learned was if a judge or a public servant is typically a state employee or a county employee,
[01:28:42.400 --> 01:28:50.400]  and if they commit a tort against you, then you've got the claims process available to you as well,
[01:28:50.400 --> 01:28:56.400]  and then you hold the state or the county libel for an employee's tort or negligence.
[01:28:56.400 --> 01:28:58.400]  Have you ever dealt with that?
[01:28:58.400 --> 01:29:08.400]  Yes, here in Tennessee, the state court judges and stuff, like the circuit court,
[01:29:08.400 --> 01:29:14.400]  that will go to the state risk management, okay,
[01:29:14.400 --> 01:29:20.400]  and see what I've had to deal with the Department of Agriculture on this end, which is the state employees as well.
[01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:24.400]  Okay, now I did that in my case, and it went to the risk management board,
[01:29:24.400 --> 01:29:39.400]  and they turned down my claim, which invoked the six-month period for me to now file a writ of mandamus action under our statute
[01:29:39.400 --> 01:29:44.400]  to basically pursue it in a civil realm.
[01:29:44.400 --> 01:29:47.400]  Have you had to do that before?
[01:29:47.400 --> 01:29:48.400]  Not yet.
[01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:50.400]  Okay, listen, we're about to go to break.
[01:29:50.400 --> 01:29:53.400]  We'll talk about that some more on the other side.
[01:29:53.400 --> 01:29:54.400]  Okay.
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[01:31:23.400 --> 01:31:37.400]  Okay, we are back, the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[01:31:37.400 --> 01:31:40.400]  and we are here with our guest Wendy and Bill.
[01:31:40.400 --> 01:31:45.400]  Okay, so Wendy, please continue answering Bill's question right before we went to the break.
[01:31:45.400 --> 01:31:50.400]  Yes, I was telling Bill that the bonding process would be, I mean,
[01:31:50.400 --> 01:31:55.400]  when you're dealing with state employees, you send to the insurance commissioner.
[01:31:55.400 --> 01:32:02.400]  Here you send to either the risk management or the insurance commissioner.
[01:32:02.400 --> 01:32:04.400]  The risk manager doesn't do anything.
[01:32:04.400 --> 01:32:09.400]  You send a complaint on them to the insurance commissioner.
[01:32:09.400 --> 01:32:14.400]  Okay, so you're extending your claim over to the insurance commission
[01:32:14.400 --> 01:32:17.400]  if the risk management isn't going to do anything?
[01:32:17.400 --> 01:32:22.400]  Exactly, because if you have a valid claim, especially when you have done a process,
[01:32:22.400 --> 01:32:29.400]  you have perfected it like the negative environment, the claim is there.
[01:32:29.400 --> 01:32:33.400]  I mean, they can't dispute that because they failed to answer
[01:32:33.400 --> 01:32:36.400]  and you have filled it up with all documentation.
[01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:43.400]  All right, now typically I'm always thinking a step further as far as if the insurance commission rejects it,
[01:32:43.400 --> 01:32:49.400]  like the risk management, what is your remedy after that?
[01:32:49.400 --> 01:32:52.400]  You tell them you want your money.
[01:32:52.400 --> 01:32:55.400]  All right, and then they tell you to go fly a kite
[01:32:55.400 --> 01:32:59.400]  and you now are put in a position where you've got to sue.
[01:32:59.400 --> 01:33:05.400]  Then, you know, you probably put them on negative environment as well.
[01:33:05.400 --> 01:33:13.400]  And when you tie them up, even with the nails, it seems to have been the most powerful document that I have filed.
[01:33:13.400 --> 01:33:20.400]  That's why I put the district attorney in such a bind that he couldn't get his home financed because of it.
[01:33:20.400 --> 01:33:26.400]  And that is filed in the register of deeds here, public record, most places.
[01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:28.400]  And that's the most powerful document I did.
[01:33:28.400 --> 01:33:30.400]  And it goes to Scripture.
[01:33:30.400 --> 01:33:36.400]  It looks to me like as far as the leaning of the bonds bill, and Randy and I were discussing this the other night,
[01:33:36.400 --> 01:33:44.400]  last night concerning, you know, what I'm going to do to these forestry service rogues, the liens,
[01:33:44.400 --> 01:33:52.400]  it doesn't look like the goal of putting the liens is to actually collect on the lien, to enforce the lien and get your money.
[01:33:52.400 --> 01:34:00.400]  It looks to me like you are mainly filing these liens to basically halt them from doing just about anything.
[01:34:00.400 --> 01:34:03.400]  You literally tie them down.
[01:34:03.400 --> 01:34:07.400]  They can't function as a public servant anymore because they don't have a bond.
[01:34:07.400 --> 01:34:11.400]  And it spills over into the personal finances as well.
[01:34:11.400 --> 01:34:14.400]  So it just totally like debilitates them.
[01:34:14.400 --> 01:34:20.400]  And the way to actually get money is to sue, is to do that through the civil realm.
[01:34:20.400 --> 01:34:22.400]  Right. That's what I figured.
[01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:31.400]  Because that's where I'm at in the claims process where now that the Risk Management Board has declined the claim,
[01:34:31.400 --> 01:34:40.400]  I'm now forced to sue to basically get the state of California to pay off what this employee committed as a tort against me.
[01:34:40.400 --> 01:34:49.400]  Right. And the point of the lien is to beat them up enough so that they're much more willing to basically settle with you
[01:34:49.400 --> 01:34:51.400]  potentially even out of court.
[01:34:51.400 --> 01:34:53.400]  It's like, okay, okay, we'll stop.
[01:34:53.400 --> 01:34:55.400]  We'll stop what we're doing.
[01:34:55.400 --> 01:34:56.400]  We'll stop harassing you.
[01:34:56.400 --> 01:35:04.400]  And how much money do you want so that you'll take these liens off so that we can function in our lives professionally and personally again?
[01:35:04.400 --> 01:35:08.400]  Right. That sounds great.
[01:35:08.400 --> 01:35:12.400]  Yeah. It's kind of like, see, we shouldn't have to do that sort of thing.
[01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:22.400]  You know, it should be enough to force them to follow law with taking charges to grand juries and all these kinds of things,
[01:35:22.400 --> 01:35:26.400]  filing criminal complaints, possibly even suing.
[01:35:26.400 --> 01:35:33.400]  Okay. But the thing is, the thing that I've been learning through all of this, not that Randy's methods are invalid, they do work.
[01:35:33.400 --> 01:35:34.400]  Okay.
[01:35:34.400 --> 01:35:42.400]  But it can take a long time and it's kind of like hacking away a little bit, you know, and it should be enough.
[01:35:42.400 --> 01:35:51.400]  But I think that we need to implement more strategies as well because the problem is the situation has gotten so far out of hand,
[01:35:51.400 --> 01:35:57.400]  so completely corrupt that we need more strategies.
[01:35:57.400 --> 01:35:59.400]  We need to do as much as we can.
[01:35:59.400 --> 01:36:04.400]  And this is like the collateral, okay?
[01:36:04.400 --> 01:36:05.400]  This is like the crowbar.
[01:36:05.400 --> 01:36:12.400]  I gave the example of my parents have a parrot, okay, and when it's time for the parrot to go back in the cage,
[01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:17.400]  the parrot needs to go or else it could get hurt if it starts chewing through an electrical cable or something, okay?
[01:36:17.400 --> 01:36:20.400]  So my parents have the obligation to take care of this bird, right?
[01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:26.400]  And so you put out the hand on the glove and tell the bird to get on your hand so you can put them up in the cage,
[01:36:26.400 --> 01:36:29.400]  step up Lucy, that's the name of the bird.
[01:36:29.400 --> 01:36:31.400]  Well, Lucy doesn't want to step up, right?
[01:36:31.400 --> 01:36:34.400]  She wants to fly around and do different things, okay?
[01:36:34.400 --> 01:36:37.400]  Well, but she's obligated, she's supposed to, she's required to.
[01:36:37.400 --> 01:36:41.400]  It's like, you know, I'm giving an analogy here, like the public servants are required to do certain things.
[01:36:41.400 --> 01:36:43.400]  But then they want to fly around and do their own thing.
[01:36:43.400 --> 01:36:52.400]  So my mom takes a newspaper and holds it up over the bird's head, okay, as a means of, you know,
[01:36:52.400 --> 01:36:56.400]  like you do it or else this, you're going to get hit with this, okay?
[01:36:56.400 --> 01:36:58.400]  It's our leverage, so to speak.
[01:36:58.400 --> 01:37:00.400]  That's what I see these leans as.
[01:37:00.400 --> 01:37:03.400]  You know, my mom's not really going to slap the bird, all right?
[01:37:03.400 --> 01:37:09.400]  But it's the leverage to make the bird get up on the hand so it will go back in the cage.
[01:37:09.400 --> 01:37:12.400]  And so like with the leans, it's the same kind of thing.
[01:37:12.400 --> 01:37:19.400]  You're not really going to enforce the lien because it's too difficult.
[01:37:19.400 --> 01:37:25.400]  The court probably wouldn't do it, but again, it's sitting there like a ticking time bomb.
[01:37:25.400 --> 01:37:27.400]  The newspaper's hanging over the bird's head.
[01:37:27.400 --> 01:37:28.400]  You step up or else.
[01:37:28.400 --> 01:37:30.400]  So the bird steps up, okay?
[01:37:30.400 --> 01:37:35.400]  The public servants at that point will back down and they'll do what they're supposed to.
[01:37:35.400 --> 01:37:37.400]  They'll get up on your hand and they'll go back in the cage.
[01:37:37.400 --> 01:37:38.400]  So that's how I see these leans.
[01:37:38.400 --> 01:37:40.400]  And if you really want the money, you sue.
[01:37:40.400 --> 01:37:43.400]  But all those, those are three separate things.
[01:37:43.400 --> 01:37:46.400]  It's not like any particular one of them is dependent on the other.
[01:37:46.400 --> 01:37:49.400]  You do them all together as a three-pronged approach.
[01:37:49.400 --> 01:37:50.400]  That's the way I see it.
[01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:52.400]  Does that make sense?
[01:37:52.400 --> 01:37:53.400]  Oh, yeah, definitely.
[01:37:53.400 --> 01:37:56.400]  I see that as another tactic.
[01:37:56.400 --> 01:38:04.400]  Now something else, Wendy, that I always look at when I do something new is what would be the impact
[01:38:04.400 --> 01:38:07.400]  or any retaliation for doing something like that?
[01:38:07.400 --> 01:38:12.400]  Have you experienced where now the other side is all upset
[01:38:12.400 --> 01:38:17.400]  and they're going to find another way to retaliate against you, you know,
[01:38:17.400 --> 01:38:22.400]  outside of the case because they got a buddy over at the district attorney's office
[01:38:22.400 --> 01:38:25.400]  or a buddy over at the police department?
[01:38:25.400 --> 01:38:29.400]  Have you experienced any of the retaliation or the impact of doing something like that?
[01:38:29.400 --> 01:38:34.400]  No, I myself have never received any retaliation, okay?
[01:38:34.400 --> 01:38:37.400]  No, my husband.
[01:38:37.400 --> 01:38:42.400]  Of course, my husband's a little more shy than I am and more quiet,
[01:38:42.400 --> 01:38:47.400]  but now I have power of attorney over him, so now they have to deal with me.
[01:38:47.400 --> 01:38:52.400]  And trust me, I'm very vocal, and they don't know what to do with me
[01:38:52.400 --> 01:38:56.400]  because I'll surprise them at every...
[01:38:56.400 --> 01:38:59.400]  They can't put nothing past me, put it that way.
[01:38:59.400 --> 01:39:03.400]  They don't trust me.
[01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:09.400]  So you haven't had any physical or criminal retaliation against you
[01:39:09.400 --> 01:39:13.400]  for putting these liens on these public officials?
[01:39:13.400 --> 01:39:23.400]  No, the only thing that I ended up doing to myself was get myself in contempt of court, okay?
[01:39:23.400 --> 01:39:30.400]  And I was held in jail for two days because I came into court and sat at the prosecutor's table,
[01:39:30.400 --> 01:39:33.400]  and the judge told me to get to those tables.
[01:39:33.400 --> 01:39:35.400]  I said, I am at the proper table.
[01:39:35.400 --> 01:39:37.400]  I am the plaintiff here.
[01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:39.400]  Anyway, he tried to force me.
[01:39:39.400 --> 01:39:46.400]  He said, the court orders, but I really didn't number on that judge, okay?
[01:39:46.400 --> 01:39:51.400]  And that's the only thing that I've had done to me,
[01:39:51.400 --> 01:39:54.400]  was arrested for that contempt of court.
[01:39:54.400 --> 01:39:58.400]  If I had played it correctly, I could sit under protest.
[01:39:58.400 --> 01:40:02.400]  I would move to the other table, but let the court be known that I am the plaintiff here
[01:40:02.400 --> 01:40:04.400]  and not the defendant.
[01:40:04.400 --> 01:40:08.400]  But now in the courts here in Blount County, they have switched the tables.
[01:40:08.400 --> 01:40:10.400]  They switched the tables?
[01:40:10.400 --> 01:40:11.400]  Yes, yes.
[01:40:11.400 --> 01:40:17.400]  So now the defendant tables are now labeled the plaintiffs done.
[01:40:17.400 --> 01:40:19.400]  Okay.
[01:40:19.400 --> 01:40:22.400]  They're trying to trick me, but I can read.
[01:40:22.400 --> 01:40:24.400]  That's funny.
[01:40:24.400 --> 01:40:27.400]  That's funny, they switched the tables.
[01:40:27.400 --> 01:40:30.400]  It's good you got some success out of it.
[01:40:30.400 --> 01:40:31.400]  Yeah.
[01:40:31.400 --> 01:40:33.400]  Well, I didn't back down.
[01:40:33.400 --> 01:40:35.400]  And the judge, he was screaming.
[01:40:35.400 --> 01:40:40.400]  He just went totally off the deep end, and I didn't budge, okay?
[01:40:40.400 --> 01:40:45.400]  And he says, I'm going to hold you two days in the county jail
[01:40:45.400 --> 01:40:47.400]  if you don't get to that other table.
[01:40:47.400 --> 01:40:50.400]  Now, I looked at him and I said, is that civil or is that criminal?
[01:40:50.400 --> 01:40:52.400]  He said, that's criminal.
[01:40:52.400 --> 01:40:57.400]  I looked at him and I said, everything you didn't know about me is in my paperwork.
[01:40:57.400 --> 01:41:00.400]  He said, holler off.
[01:41:00.400 --> 01:41:06.400]  And I said, and I'm putting you on my negative herb, every one of you.
[01:41:06.400 --> 01:41:09.400]  Now, Wendy, can you just please go over for us one more time,
[01:41:09.400 --> 01:41:16.400]  when you were talking about this code and the commercial liens
[01:41:16.400 --> 01:41:21.400]  and how it goes into common law, remember when you were discussing that a little while ago?
[01:41:21.400 --> 01:41:22.400]  Okay.
[01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:27.400]  You know, I have actually a document on that, and it will explain that a little bit better.
[01:41:27.400 --> 01:41:30.400]  And I'll send that over to you.
[01:41:30.400 --> 01:41:31.400]  Okay, great.
[01:41:31.400 --> 01:41:37.400]  And it has to do is they cannot overrun, the statutes and stuff cannot overrun the common law,
[01:41:37.400 --> 01:41:40.400]  which is God's law, which is the law of the land.
[01:41:40.400 --> 01:41:48.400]  It cannot interfere with that because God's law, the Ten Commandments, was first in line.
[01:41:48.400 --> 01:41:52.400]  They make you think again, and I'll send you a document to tell them that.
[01:41:52.400 --> 01:41:55.400]  I just read that the other day and I thought that explains it all.
[01:41:55.400 --> 01:42:00.400]  That's why the judge does not have authority and amity.
[01:42:00.400 --> 01:42:01.400]  Interesting.
[01:42:01.400 --> 01:42:03.400]  Yeah, I'll send that to you.
[01:42:03.400 --> 01:42:04.400]  Okay, excellent.
[01:42:04.400 --> 01:42:07.400]  Hey, Wendy, I've got another question.
[01:42:07.400 --> 01:42:13.400]  This appears to apply to public servants, but how about the attorneys
[01:42:13.400 --> 01:42:17.400]  and their bonds that they have or malpractice insurance?
[01:42:17.400 --> 01:42:19.400]  Is there anything in that avenue?
[01:42:19.400 --> 01:42:21.400]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:42:21.400 --> 01:42:24.400]  I have a slew of attorneys on mine.
[01:42:24.400 --> 01:42:31.400]  And on my maritime lien, after I have a unique identifier, I have their bar card numbers there.
[01:42:31.400 --> 01:42:38.400]  Can you sue an attorney for malpractice if you did not retain him as your counsel?
[01:42:38.400 --> 01:42:39.400]  Well, of course.
[01:42:39.400 --> 01:42:46.400]  How do you get standing to sue an attorney that is not your attorney, that's not your repute?
[01:42:46.400 --> 01:42:48.400]  Is he coming against you?
[01:42:48.400 --> 01:42:52.400]  Because he harms you in his abuse of the law as you know it.
[01:42:52.400 --> 01:42:58.400]  He's an officer of the court, and that binds him to a set of standards.
[01:42:58.400 --> 01:43:02.400]  And inasmuch as he's an officer of the court, he's bound to you.
[01:43:02.400 --> 01:43:04.400]  All right.
[01:43:04.400 --> 01:43:09.400]  See, this goes to one of the reasons why the founding fathers thought lawyers were such scoundrels.
[01:43:09.400 --> 01:43:13.400]  Which they are.
[01:43:13.400 --> 01:43:16.400]  And God saw that, too.
[01:43:16.400 --> 01:43:18.400]  Oh, yeah.
[01:43:18.400 --> 01:43:21.400]  Now, I have a question.
[01:43:21.400 --> 01:43:29.400]  Could you go about finding the malpractice insurance company or the bonding company for the attorney?
[01:43:29.400 --> 01:43:31.400]  You can do information requests.
[01:43:31.400 --> 01:43:33.400]  Some of them have given me that information.
[01:43:33.400 --> 01:43:35.400]  Some haven't.
[01:43:35.400 --> 01:43:39.400]  But I still apply their bar card numbers to them.
[01:43:39.400 --> 01:43:47.400]  And I sent a copy of that to the Board of Reflection on Responsibility that oversees the attorneys here in Tennessee.
[01:43:47.400 --> 01:43:48.400]  All right.
[01:43:48.400 --> 01:43:49.400]  Listen, we're going to break.
[01:43:49.400 --> 01:43:51.400]  We'll talk about how to sue these rogues when we get back.
[01:43:51.400 --> 01:43:54.400]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelston, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
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[01:45:20.400 --> 01:45:39.400]  Okay, we are back.
[01:45:39.400 --> 01:45:49.400]  We're here with Wendy and Bill discussing all these different strategies that can be implemented to find up these rogues.
[01:45:49.400 --> 01:45:58.400]  Okay, so Wendy, Bill was asking about how to go after these rogues for malpractice, these charlatans as they were.
[01:45:58.400 --> 01:45:59.400]  Yes.
[01:45:59.400 --> 01:46:06.400]  Well, the attorneys, when you attach their bar cards to them, okay, as their unique identifier and you send it to the board,
[01:46:06.400 --> 01:46:12.400]  they have a standard that they're not supposed to be in debt or not supposed to be in debtor.
[01:46:12.400 --> 01:46:19.400]  You know, they're above it, and that brings them into dishonor.
[01:46:19.400 --> 01:46:23.400]  And they have a tendency not to like that very much.
[01:46:23.400 --> 01:46:32.400]  I know the attorney in our case, she held up her maritime lanes because she had placed my husband on the stand,
[01:46:32.400 --> 01:46:34.400]  and she wouldn't know where we had filed these at.
[01:46:34.400 --> 01:46:39.400]  And every question she asked my husband, my husband would reply, I don't recall.
[01:46:39.400 --> 01:46:46.400]  And she was screaming at the end of it, holding up her maritime lane, where did you file this at?
[01:46:46.400 --> 01:46:49.400]  I don't recall.
[01:46:49.400 --> 01:46:52.400]  He's kind of slow, I told you that.
[01:46:52.400 --> 01:46:54.400]  You killed me, Whitney.
[01:46:54.400 --> 01:47:04.400]  Now, I've heard something on one of these programs or read it in an article where if you file a certain number of complaints
[01:47:04.400 --> 01:47:13.400]  against an attorney as well as bring a judge up to the commission, judicial performance of three or more times,
[01:47:13.400 --> 01:47:19.400]  then they will lose their malpractice insurance or their bond.
[01:47:19.400 --> 01:47:22.400]  That's filing bar grievances.
[01:47:22.400 --> 01:47:25.400]  Randy, Randy's got the lowdown on the numbers.
[01:47:25.400 --> 01:47:33.400]  I think if they get like one, if it's their first year of practice and they get one complaint, they lose their malpractice insurance.
[01:47:33.400 --> 01:47:43.400]  Russell Mortland got on the show and told about a bankruptcy case he was in.
[01:47:43.400 --> 01:47:50.400]  They had a second set of attorneys before it was done, and the first attorney got on the stand
[01:47:50.400 --> 01:47:55.400]  and complained that Mr. Mortland filed three bar grievances against me.
[01:47:55.400 --> 01:48:02.400]  The next year, our firm almost couldn't get malpractice insurance, and when we did, it almost doubled.
[01:48:02.400 --> 01:48:11.400]  Russell said, your point is bar grievances are bad news for attorneys.
[01:48:11.400 --> 01:48:15.400]  It really stings them.
[01:48:15.400 --> 01:48:25.400]  From what I got from a bankruptcy attorney several years ago, he knew what I did, and I was talking about bar grievances,
[01:48:25.400 --> 01:48:28.400]  and he said, oh, you shouldn't do that.
[01:48:28.400 --> 01:48:40.400]  A friend of his got out of law school, started a practice going down to the court and getting appointed as court appointed counsel.
[01:48:40.400 --> 01:48:42.400]  Early on, he gets appointed a guy.
[01:48:42.400 --> 01:48:45.400]  The guy disappears 11 months later, or 10 months later.
[01:48:45.400 --> 01:48:48.400]  He goes to the court and asked to be removed from the case.
[01:48:48.400 --> 01:48:50.400]  He can't find his client.
[01:48:50.400 --> 01:48:51.400]  The court removes him.
[01:48:51.400 --> 01:48:53.400]  Next month, his client shows up.
[01:48:53.400 --> 01:48:58.400]  He's really unhappy that his attorney dumped him and filed a bar grievance.
[01:48:58.400 --> 01:49:04.400]  They canceled his malpractice insurance immediately, so he couldn't run his own office anymore.
[01:49:04.400 --> 01:49:06.400]  He had to go to work for another firm.
[01:49:06.400 --> 01:49:09.400]  Okay, so what is the schedule here?
[01:49:09.400 --> 01:49:15.400]  It's like if you're in your first year of practice, if you get one bar grievance, they cancel.
[01:49:15.400 --> 01:49:23.400]  Any subsequent year of practice, two bar grievances in one year, they cancel your malpractice insurance.
[01:49:23.400 --> 01:49:28.400]  Three in one year, they will generally cancel your law firm's malpractice.
[01:49:28.400 --> 01:49:29.400]  For the firm.
[01:49:29.400 --> 01:49:31.400]  None of the attorneys in the entire firm can get it.
[01:49:31.400 --> 01:49:34.400]  The firm can't get malpractice insurance.
[01:49:34.400 --> 01:49:40.400]  The reason for all of this is because the bar, when you file bar grievances, they won't act on them.
[01:49:40.400 --> 01:49:42.400]  They just dump them in the trash.
[01:49:42.400 --> 01:49:48.400]  None of them are ever validated by the bar itself.
[01:49:48.400 --> 01:49:56.400]  The malpractice insurance companies, they have no data to go on because all the bar grievances are thrown in the trash.
[01:49:56.400 --> 01:50:02.400]  How are they going to gauge their risk factor when they go to insure these attorneys?
[01:50:02.400 --> 01:50:05.400]  What they have to do, they don't have a choice.
[01:50:05.400 --> 01:50:09.400]  They have to assume all the bar grievances are true.
[01:50:09.400 --> 01:50:13.400]  Because the bar won't say which ones are valid and which ones aren't.
[01:50:13.400 --> 01:50:14.400]  They just throw them all away.
[01:50:14.400 --> 01:50:15.400]  So they have to assume they're all true.
[01:50:15.400 --> 01:50:21.400]  And that's why just filing the bar grievance is so powerful.
[01:50:21.400 --> 01:50:25.400]  Because the malpractice insurance companies see them all as true.
[01:50:25.400 --> 01:50:36.400]  There is something that's interesting in my case where the lead attorney that was on my case currently right now,
[01:50:36.400 --> 01:50:41.400]  he has moved from the firm that he was at.
[01:50:41.400 --> 01:50:48.400]  And now he is considered associate counsel with the firm because they brought him back in.
[01:50:48.400 --> 01:50:55.400]  But he moved to another firm and he's now working the appeal process through this other firm
[01:50:55.400 --> 01:51:02.400]  as associate counsel with the previous firm that retained the defendant.
[01:51:02.400 --> 01:51:10.400]  And it could be because every time that this attorney files a frivolous motion or he does something unlawful,
[01:51:10.400 --> 01:51:14.400]  I do file a bar complaint on him each time.
[01:51:14.400 --> 01:51:19.400]  And I've done probably about five or six of them so far.
[01:51:19.400 --> 01:51:21.400]  Good man.
[01:51:21.400 --> 01:51:25.400]  You know, one attorney here in Maryville City, here in Blount County,
[01:51:25.400 --> 01:51:29.400]  we have filed about 40 bar complaints on her.
[01:51:29.400 --> 01:51:34.400]  And it just dawned on me, you know, she's not representing the city,
[01:51:34.400 --> 01:51:37.400]  but she's representing the county in the case against us.
[01:51:37.400 --> 01:51:47.400]  She's the one who held up her maritime lien and says, where have you filed this act?
[01:51:47.400 --> 01:51:49.400]  So that's interesting.
[01:51:49.400 --> 01:51:55.400]  How can a city attorney represent a county official?
[01:51:55.400 --> 01:52:00.400]  You know, in fact, when you let the Bar Association be a self-regulating agency,
[01:52:00.400 --> 01:52:03.400]  it's the inmates running the asylum.
[01:52:03.400 --> 01:52:07.400]  We really need to look at getting something put into law, Randy.
[01:52:07.400 --> 01:52:12.400]  We need to set up a petition for something like that jail for judges initiative,
[01:52:12.400 --> 01:52:16.400]  judicial accountability initiative,
[01:52:16.400 --> 01:52:22.400]  where we actually get the people of Texas interested again in putting these guys out to drive when they won't do their job.
[01:52:22.400 --> 01:52:30.400]  Well, that's essentially what we're trying to do is get people to start going after judges.
[01:52:30.400 --> 01:52:33.400]  We nail the judge good and the prosecutor.
[01:52:33.400 --> 01:52:37.400]  And the way I'm getting to the judge is nailing my attorney.
[01:52:37.400 --> 01:52:40.400]  If he don't do his job, I sting him.
[01:52:40.400 --> 01:52:48.400]  Then he has a plausible deniability to go to the judge and say, you know, judge, I'm sorry I have to do my job here,
[01:52:48.400 --> 01:52:51.400]  but this guy's going to put me out of business.
[01:52:51.400 --> 01:52:58.400]  So we get our attorneys in a position to where they have no alternative but to do their job.
[01:52:58.400 --> 01:53:03.400]  Then we'll get this straightened out.
[01:53:03.400 --> 01:53:10.400]  By the way, I have another subject that may not be for tonight's topic,
[01:53:10.400 --> 01:53:15.400]  but it's along the lines of declarations and perjury.
[01:53:15.400 --> 01:53:18.400]  I don't know if you want to talk about it now because...
[01:53:18.400 --> 01:53:19.400]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:53:19.400 --> 01:53:21.400]  That's a good question.
[01:53:21.400 --> 01:53:22.400]  Okay.
[01:53:22.400 --> 01:53:31.400]  The issue that I found out is that a lot of the declarations are being accepted as evidence in a lot of these motions,
[01:53:31.400 --> 01:53:34.400]  you know, summary judgment motions and any motion.
[01:53:34.400 --> 01:53:40.400]  And I usually do an evidentiary objection against every declaration that's filed.
[01:53:40.400 --> 01:53:44.400]  And I bring up the fact that because it's signed under penalty of perjury,
[01:53:44.400 --> 01:53:55.400]  which perjury is a criminal act, you can never usually get a judge if you make an objection that it is perjury
[01:53:55.400 --> 01:54:03.400]  and file a criminal complaint for perjury along with that declaration to get them to not accept it as evidence.
[01:54:03.400 --> 01:54:09.400]  And that's an issue I've got in my criminal complaint that they committed perjury
[01:54:09.400 --> 01:54:18.400]  because the judge relied on the declaration as evidence to render the decision that they did in the motion.
[01:54:18.400 --> 01:54:24.400]  And the thing is, is most of these attorneys know, as well as the judges,
[01:54:24.400 --> 01:54:33.400]  that the likelihood that these attorneys will ever be brought up on criminal charges is not likely.
[01:54:33.400 --> 01:54:42.400]  And the other thing is, is that it's the attorneys that are typically putting these declarations in on behalf of the defendants
[01:54:42.400 --> 01:54:46.400]  and not the defendants themselves.
[01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:49.400]  So the attorney is testifying.
[01:54:49.400 --> 01:54:50.400]  Exactly.
[01:54:50.400 --> 01:54:56.400]  And like in the SLAPP action that I got hit with, it was the attorneys that put the declarations in,
[01:54:56.400 --> 01:55:05.400]  and it wasn't the defendant, and yet the judge and the appellate justices have accepted the attorney's declaration
[01:55:05.400 --> 01:55:16.400]  in lieu of the defendant's declaration when it came to their freedom of expression and rights being denied
[01:55:16.400 --> 01:55:24.400]  when the law says that they had to be denied their right, not the attorney's right.
[01:55:24.400 --> 01:55:34.400]  And I'm arguing that, in this case, to try and get a judgment vacated on the fact that they never,
[01:55:34.400 --> 01:55:39.400]  they meaning the defendant, never put forth their own declaration.
[01:55:39.400 --> 01:55:46.400]  It was based on the attorney, and the attorney is just a representative or agent of the defendant.
[01:55:46.400 --> 01:55:51.400]  But these things are constantly being thrown into court and accepted by these judges,
[01:55:51.400 --> 01:55:55.400]  and even over evidentiary objection.
[01:55:55.400 --> 01:55:57.400]  But what's your take on that?
[01:55:57.400 --> 01:56:00.400]  It very clearly goes to RICO.
[01:56:00.400 --> 01:56:07.400]  The problem with RICO is it's very powerful, but it's also very expensive.
[01:56:07.400 --> 01:56:10.400]  But RICO is fighting them.
[01:56:10.400 --> 01:56:15.400]  I've been looking into that too, but to take a RICO action myself would be very difficult
[01:56:15.400 --> 01:56:21.400]  because it's getting inundated with all the paper. It'd be paper to death.
[01:56:21.400 --> 01:56:24.400]  Right. RICO is difficult.
[01:56:24.400 --> 01:56:30.400]  I was talking to some people in Orange County, California, about a RICO action,
[01:56:30.400 --> 01:56:36.400]  and their attorney called a specialist, a litigator.
[01:56:36.400 --> 01:56:39.400]  All he did was litigation.
[01:56:39.400 --> 01:56:41.400]  He said, is your client there?
[01:56:41.400 --> 01:56:44.400]  And the attorney said, yes, he is.
[01:56:44.400 --> 01:56:52.400]  Tell your client if he wants to do a RICO action, he better have deep pockets.
[01:56:52.400 --> 01:57:00.400]  Generally, the only one who makes money from a RICO action are the attorneys.
[01:57:00.400 --> 01:57:02.400]  Yeah, I figured that.
[01:57:02.400 --> 01:57:07.400]  I was glad to hear an attorney be candid.
[01:57:07.400 --> 01:57:14.400]  But RICOs are difficult, but there are also – we had a district judge in Oklahoma,
[01:57:14.400 --> 01:57:20.400]  a federal district judge, say a RICO action is like dropping an atomic bomb.
[01:57:20.400 --> 01:57:25.400]  That's how they won the tobacco suit.
[01:57:25.400 --> 01:57:32.400]  Well, what about – are you familiar with the litigation financing firms?
[01:57:32.400 --> 01:57:37.400]  Is there any of them out there that you know of that would finance a RICO?
[01:57:37.400 --> 01:57:42.400]  Is Champerty legal in California?
[01:57:42.400 --> 01:57:43.400]  It's called what?
[01:57:43.400 --> 01:57:45.400]  It's called Champerty.
[01:57:45.400 --> 01:57:46.400]  Champerty?
[01:57:46.400 --> 01:57:50.400]  Yeah, and it's not legal in all states.
[01:57:50.400 --> 01:57:56.400]  It is legal in Texas, where you go in and purchase part of the litigation
[01:57:56.400 --> 01:58:04.400]  because the courts hold that a civil claim is property, can be sold and traded.
[01:58:04.400 --> 01:58:05.400]  But not all states allow it.
[01:58:05.400 --> 01:58:08.400]  You need to find out if California allows it.
[01:58:08.400 --> 01:58:11.400]  Okay.
[01:58:11.400 --> 01:58:13.400]  All right, very good.
[01:58:13.400 --> 01:58:17.400]  All right, listen, we are at the middle of the show break here.
[01:58:17.400 --> 01:58:19.400]  We're going to be in the air until midnight.
[01:58:19.400 --> 01:58:23.400]  And Bill, Wendy, you all are both welcome to stay on the line.
[01:58:23.400 --> 01:58:26.400]  I would like to open up the phone lines to start taking calls at this point.
[01:58:26.400 --> 01:58:29.400]  We have a number of callers hanging on the line as well,
[01:58:29.400 --> 01:58:32.400]  so you all are welcome to stay if you'd like.
[01:58:32.400 --> 01:58:34.400]  I'll hang there for a little bit.
[01:58:34.400 --> 01:58:36.400]  Okay, wonderful.
[01:58:36.400 --> 01:58:37.400]  I will, too.
[01:58:37.400 --> 01:58:39.400]  All right, wonderful.
[01:58:39.400 --> 01:58:40.400]  Okay, we will be right back.
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