ROL_2009-07-09_16k.timecode

[00:11.440 --> 00:16.600]  the guests of Saddam Hussein will be resettled in the U.S. starting this fall.
[00:16.600 --> 00:22.040]  The mostly Sunni Palestinians have spent many years in one of the region's roughest refugee
[00:22.040 --> 00:23.040]  camps.
[00:23.040 --> 00:29.160]  Oil billionaire T. Boone Pickens has dropped plans to build a giant wind farm in Texas.
[00:29.160 --> 00:33.520]  Pickens, who put off the wind power project because of the difficulty of getting credit,
[00:33.520 --> 00:42.360]  said he would continue the project but not at the pace originally expected.
[00:42.360 --> 00:48.320]  A new photo released on the fourth anniversary of the 7-7 attacks in London contradicts the
[00:48.320 --> 00:53.720]  U.K. government's official story that Muslims with backpacks were responsible for the tube
[00:53.720 --> 00:57.680]  and bus explosions that killed 52 people.
[00:57.680 --> 01:02.500]  The photo corroborates a survivor's eyewitness statement that the bombs on the tube trains
[01:02.500 --> 01:08.040]  were placed underneath the carriage and that suicide bombers were nowhere to be seen.
[01:08.040 --> 01:13.160]  Debunkers have dismissed this hole in the official story by claiming eyewitness accounts were
[01:13.160 --> 01:14.880]  taken out of context.
[01:14.880 --> 01:20.120]  However, one eyewitness makes it plain no suicide bombers were involved.
[01:20.120 --> 01:25.320]  Bruce Leight told the Cambridge Evening News as he and his partner, Crystal, were helped
[01:25.320 --> 01:30.640]  out of the carriage after the blast, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been.
[01:30.640 --> 01:35.880]  Leight said, the policeman said, mind that hole, that's where the bomb was.
[01:35.880 --> 01:41.080]  Leight went on, the metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train.
[01:41.080 --> 01:45.200]  They seemed to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being
[01:45.200 --> 01:52.720]  where the bomb was, or any bag.
[01:52.720 --> 01:57.800]  House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers says the committee deposed former White House
[01:57.800 --> 02:01.560]  Deputy Chief of Staff, Carl Rove, Tuesday.
[02:01.560 --> 02:06.520]  Conyers would not comment on what Rove told congressional investigators, what the next
[02:06.520 --> 02:12.200]  step in the Judiciary Committee investigation would be, or whether Rove would face more
[02:12.200 --> 02:13.200]  questioning.
[02:13.200 --> 02:19.880]  Conyers' panel first subpoenaed Rove in 2007 as part of its probe into the firing of nine
[02:19.880 --> 02:21.420]  U.S. attorneys.
[02:21.420 --> 02:26.600]  But the Bush White House, citing executive privilege, refused to make Rove or White House
[02:26.600 --> 02:30.880]  counsel Harriet Myers available for depositions.
[02:30.880 --> 02:36.160]  Conyers' panel responded by filing a civil lawsuit against the White House and prevailed
[02:36.160 --> 02:38.600]  in district court last year.
[02:38.600 --> 02:42.600]  With an agreement between the White House and the House Judiciary Committee, the Justice
[02:42.600 --> 02:47.480]  Department avoided having to choose sides and risk an appeals court precedent which
[02:47.480 --> 02:53.320]  could undercut executive privilege or Congress's right to investigate government malfeasance.
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[03:50.000 --> 04:09.440]  All right, you're listening to the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here
[04:09.440 --> 04:13.320]  on Rule of Law Radio Network.
[04:13.320 --> 04:14.320]  I'm Deborah Stevens.
[04:14.320 --> 04:16.640]  We've got Randy Kelton here.
[04:16.640 --> 04:21.440]  I am back from the Rainbow, and I wanted to make a report... And by the way, I heard
[04:21.440 --> 04:22.440]  some of the archive, Randy.
[04:22.440 --> 04:25.440]  You call me your sidekick.
[04:25.440 --> 04:31.880]  You call me your sidekick one more time and you'll get a kick in the side if you do that
[04:31.880 --> 04:32.880]  again.
[04:32.880 --> 04:33.880]  Anyway, just kidding.
[04:33.880 --> 04:39.680]  I wanted to make a report from the Rainbow concerning the Rainbow Gathering.
[04:39.680 --> 04:43.440]  Well, I'm not actually reporting from the Rainbow at this point in time, I'm back home.
[04:43.440 --> 04:47.520]  And I wanted to report concerning what happened at the Rainbow.
[04:47.520 --> 04:54.120]  I didn't realize until after I had got off the satellite phone when I was talking about
[04:54.120 --> 05:01.320]  the 6-Up that were marching through the place with the cameras and everything.
[05:01.320 --> 05:04.400]  They did it again to Kitty Village, Randy.
[05:04.400 --> 05:05.720]  They did it again.
[05:05.720 --> 05:06.720]  What is the deal?
[05:06.720 --> 05:09.240]  They want to pick on little kids.
[05:09.240 --> 05:12.480]  It's like they... This is definitely a PSYOP.
[05:12.480 --> 05:17.400]  Now they didn't... They did not shoot anybody this time.
[05:17.400 --> 05:22.400]  They did not shoot any children this time, thank goodness.
[05:22.400 --> 05:31.760]  However, they did go around with their guns drawn and they had their video cameras.
[05:31.760 --> 05:38.200]  So they would have a little camera, like their own personal camera, tiny video camera or
[05:38.200 --> 05:42.640]  cell phone camera or something in one hand and had the guns drawn in the other hand.
[05:42.640 --> 05:47.360]  Now that doesn't sound very safe to me.
[05:47.360 --> 05:53.520]  Now the weapons that they had drawn were not firearms, I don't believe.
[05:53.520 --> 06:02.880]  They were one of their crowd control weapons, like one of these paintball rifles.
[06:02.880 --> 06:06.600]  These kinds of paintball rifles are not like a kid's toy.
[06:06.600 --> 06:14.240]  They're crowd control devices that shoot a paintball at a very high velocity.
[06:14.240 --> 06:17.040]  At close proximity, it's a deadly weapon.
[06:17.040 --> 06:22.480]  The reason for them is that they want to be able to mark people in a crowd that they think
[06:22.480 --> 06:27.600]  are instigators or whatever from a long distance away.
[06:27.600 --> 06:34.380]  So they're going around in Kitty Village and they weren't following the trails.
[06:34.380 --> 06:40.240]  This is another reason why the parents got so upset, this gathering, because if they
[06:40.240 --> 06:44.800]  had had their weapons put away, even if they want to go around and videotape, it's still
[06:44.800 --> 06:51.840]  kind of rude, especially asking people's permission, but they weren't following the trails.
[06:51.840 --> 06:59.000]  They were just rampaging through the camp in and around amongst people's tents with
[06:59.000 --> 07:03.840]  a camera in one hand and a weapon in the other hand.
[07:03.840 --> 07:07.880]  Right next to people's kids.
[07:07.880 --> 07:10.040]  What the heck are these guys trying to do?
[07:10.040 --> 07:15.760]  This is obviously a psy-op to enrage people.
[07:15.760 --> 07:19.840]  You should have heard, I got a videotape, I'm going to play a little clip of it from
[07:19.840 --> 07:24.880]  a friend of mine, sister Jamie, took this clip and I'm going to play it in a little
[07:24.880 --> 07:26.740]  while for you guys.
[07:26.740 --> 07:30.520]  You can hear the audio, but it's like, what is going on?
[07:30.520 --> 07:35.520]  More like, can you please get your guns away from my kids?
[07:35.520 --> 07:45.120]  I don't understand why they're trying to harass the Kid Village camp, other than simply to
[07:45.120 --> 07:49.560]  enrage people and try to cause a reaction.
[07:49.560 --> 07:53.360]  It looks to me like they're trying to instigate some sort of reaction so that they'll have
[07:53.360 --> 07:56.280]  an excuse to clobber people.
[07:56.280 --> 07:59.000]  Randy, what do you think about this?
[07:59.000 --> 08:24.280]  Well, I looked at the video and it was clear they were trying to instigate a confrontation.
[08:24.280 --> 08:25.880]  This year you mean?
[08:25.880 --> 08:29.920]  Well, they obviously were last year because they just started shooting people in the back.
[08:29.920 --> 08:32.120]  Well, this year they weren't able to shoot people.
[08:32.120 --> 08:38.440]  I suspect that they were hoping that people would be so enraged from last year that they
[08:38.440 --> 08:47.280]  would get the riot this year they didn't get last year, but it didn't work.
[08:47.280 --> 08:53.240]  It's one thing they want a video, I don't understand what's up with the video.
[08:53.240 --> 09:00.040]  They frequently come through with cameras and I think they're obviously trying to document
[09:00.040 --> 09:07.840]  who all is out there so that perhaps they can try to go after them in Babylon world.
[09:07.840 --> 09:13.640]  But it's just very bizarre and I'll tell you, I saw these people when they were coming through.
[09:13.640 --> 09:16.800]  And again, this is the incident management team.
[09:16.800 --> 09:24.960]  This is not your Smokey the Bear local forestry agent, forestry service guy or woman.
[09:24.960 --> 09:27.120]  It's the same group of people every year.
[09:27.120 --> 09:31.560]  They're very highly funded, like in the upwards of the millions of dollars.
[09:31.560 --> 09:35.880]  And the only reason this team of about 15 people has been put together and specially
[09:35.880 --> 09:41.140]  trained like with military black ops training is specifically for the rainbow gathering.
[09:41.140 --> 09:43.360]  That's what they live for all year long.
[09:43.360 --> 09:50.440]  So it's very odd and the Smokey the Bears, the locals, they don't like them.
[09:50.440 --> 09:54.400]  They're always complaining about them because they come in and they treat them like red
[09:54.400 --> 09:59.240]  headed stepchildren in their own forest that they take care of all year round.
[09:59.240 --> 10:02.560]  And they're like, well, we don't see a problem with these rainbow people.
[10:02.560 --> 10:05.120]  They're taking better care of the forest than we are.
[10:05.120 --> 10:15.200]  So it's just an awful situation and fortunately there were no injuries or any major incidents
[10:15.200 --> 10:16.200]  from this incident team.
[10:16.200 --> 10:18.960]  I'm going to call them the incident team from now on because they're the ones that cause
[10:18.960 --> 10:20.800]  all the incidents, not us.
[10:20.800 --> 10:26.120]  Fortunately, there were no incidents this year of anyone being assaulted by this group
[10:26.120 --> 10:29.200]  of people or shot or anything else like last year.
[10:29.200 --> 10:33.600]  But I'll tell you, these people were on a very aggro mission that day.
[10:33.600 --> 10:39.160]  They would come in about every other day and traipse through the camps and do videos like
[10:39.160 --> 10:40.160]  this.
[10:40.160 --> 10:43.160]  And man, I'll tell you, you could see it in their faces and in their eyes.
[10:43.160 --> 10:49.680]  They were on a very serious mission to document and record everything and everybody that they
[10:49.680 --> 10:54.320]  possibly could for nefarious purposes.
[10:54.320 --> 10:55.920]  And it was not a good site.
[10:55.920 --> 11:04.320]  Now I'm going to play a couple of these video clips here and Sister Jamie, she's going to
[11:04.320 --> 11:06.680]  be a guest on our show probably within the next week or so.
[11:06.680 --> 11:07.760]  She's traveling right now.
[11:07.760 --> 11:13.680]  She was in Kid Village and what she did was she took her little video camera and she ran
[11:13.680 --> 11:17.260]  up to the head of the line in front of these guys.
[11:17.260 --> 11:21.880]  There was about two groups of them and she ran up in front of the first one and stood
[11:21.880 --> 11:31.040]  there while they passed by and she got close-ups of their faces and their badge numbers and
[11:31.040 --> 11:33.680]  their names on their badges, their name tags.
[11:33.680 --> 11:38.880]  And she called out their names, most of them, as they passed by in case the name wasn't
[11:38.880 --> 11:41.080]  clear on the videotape later.
[11:41.080 --> 11:44.400]  And these guys, I mean, you want to see the chicken dance, okay?
[11:44.400 --> 11:46.880]  You should see some of these guys in this video.
[11:46.880 --> 11:53.080]  I mean, they're trying to cover their badges as they're walking by her, okay?
[11:53.080 --> 11:55.640]  And one of them even said, get that camera out of my face.
[11:55.640 --> 12:01.280]  It's like, okay, get the camera out of my face, this guy says.
[12:01.280 --> 12:06.680]  He's the one that is traipsing through Kid Village, not even walking on the trails, walking
[12:06.680 --> 12:11.040]  right next to people's tents with a video camera in his hand.
[12:11.040 --> 12:15.400]  Okay, I think we're the ones that should be saying, get the camera out of my face.
[12:15.400 --> 12:16.680]  So this just goes to show.
[12:16.680 --> 12:21.480]  So I'm going to play these couple of clips, they're pretty short.
[12:21.480 --> 12:24.680]  First one is only like 30 seconds long, the second one's about a minute long.
[12:24.680 --> 12:29.800]  So this is a tape, this is the audio from Jamie's camcorder, and I did get her permission
[12:29.800 --> 12:32.360]  by the way to play this on the air.
[12:32.360 --> 12:35.160]  So you'll get to hear some of what's been going on.
[12:35.160 --> 12:36.560]  So here we go.
[12:36.560 --> 12:41.560]  This was at Kid Village on July 3rd, again, July 3rd, that's the day they always pull
[12:41.560 --> 12:42.560]  something.
[12:42.560 --> 12:47.080]  So here it is, hey officers, how are you?
[12:47.080 --> 12:49.000]  Please keep your guns away around our children.
[12:49.000 --> 12:50.000]  Keep them safe.
[12:50.000 --> 12:51.000]  Thank you.
[12:51.000 --> 12:52.000]  Hey, thank you officer.
[12:52.000 --> 12:55.800]  Please give your guns away from our children.
[12:55.800 --> 12:57.440]  They have their bullet guns right there.
[12:57.440 --> 12:58.440]  No, they're done.
[12:58.440 --> 13:01.440]  Kids, six up.
[13:01.440 --> 13:06.400]  Keep those cameras on guys.
[13:06.400 --> 13:09.840]  Thank you.
[13:09.840 --> 13:11.080]  That's the second group that's gone through.
[13:11.080 --> 13:12.280]  They're only a little bit ahead.
[13:12.280 --> 13:16.720]  Thank you for your camera.
[13:16.720 --> 13:18.240]  Thank you guys.
[13:18.240 --> 13:21.720]  Thanks for taping.
[13:21.720 --> 13:24.760]  Okay that was the first, that was the first clip.
[13:24.760 --> 13:29.360]  Actually I think that was a second in chronological order, but, but yeah, you should have seen
[13:29.360 --> 13:30.360]  the scene.
[13:30.360 --> 13:31.360]  Okay.
[13:31.360 --> 13:37.240]  You've got, you've got these feds coming through here trying to look all big and bad and everything
[13:37.240 --> 13:42.720]  and harassing kid village of all places at the rainbow gathering.
[13:42.720 --> 13:43.720]  And you've got it.
[13:43.720 --> 13:49.520]  You got a group of about 20 hippies that are following them and walking in and all around
[13:49.520 --> 13:56.000]  them with their own cameras and these guys, they just like cringe, like they just melted,
[13:56.000 --> 14:00.720]  like the wicked witch of the West or something when, when you put a little water on her shoes
[14:00.720 --> 14:01.720]  or something.
[14:01.720 --> 14:08.120]  And it's just, it's just almost would be a comical scene if it wasn't so tragic.
[14:08.120 --> 14:09.120]  Okay.
[14:09.120 --> 14:10.120]  Here's the next one.
[14:10.120 --> 14:12.560]  This is the one where she got all of their, all their names.
[14:12.560 --> 14:13.560]  Okay.
[14:13.560 --> 14:14.560]  Here we go.
[14:14.560 --> 14:19.520]  Including the one who harassed me on the road, by the way.
[14:19.520 --> 14:21.720]  How are you officer officer Krogstad?
[14:21.720 --> 14:22.720]  How are you today?
[14:22.720 --> 14:23.720]  You having a good day?
[14:23.720 --> 14:24.720]  Please be careful with our children.
[14:24.720 --> 14:25.720]  Six up.
[14:25.720 --> 14:26.720]  Officer, please be careful.
[14:26.720 --> 14:29.720]  Our children are right over here.
[14:29.720 --> 14:31.320]  It's very important that they stay safe.
[14:31.320 --> 14:32.920]  I just want to get your tag on there.
[14:32.920 --> 14:33.920]  Thank you.
[14:33.920 --> 14:34.920]  Hi officers.
[14:34.920 --> 14:35.920]  How are you?
[14:35.920 --> 14:36.920]  Hi officer.
[14:36.920 --> 14:37.920]  How you doing?
[14:37.920 --> 14:38.920]  Thank you.
[14:38.920 --> 14:39.920]  Hey officer.
[14:39.920 --> 14:40.920]  How are you?
[14:40.920 --> 14:41.920]  We're doing the same thing.
[14:41.920 --> 14:42.920]  Hi.
[14:42.920 --> 14:50.440]  Officer Hayes, please stay away from our children.
[14:50.440 --> 14:51.440]  Hey officer.
[14:51.440 --> 14:52.440]  How are you?
[14:52.440 --> 14:53.440]  Could you put your guns away in kids village?
[14:53.440 --> 14:54.440]  Please.
[14:54.440 --> 14:55.440]  There's a lot of kids running around here.
[14:55.440 --> 14:56.440]  It's not safe.
[14:56.440 --> 15:08.240]  Officer, our kids are playing here, please be careful with your guns.
[15:08.240 --> 15:10.720]  Please put your guns away in kids village.
[15:10.720 --> 15:15.400]  Nobody's going to hurt you.
[15:15.400 --> 15:18.880]  That was my favorite part.
[15:18.880 --> 15:23.720]  And the guy just walked past a woman holding an infant in her hand and he's got his gun
[15:23.720 --> 15:24.720]  drawn.
[15:24.720 --> 15:25.720]  Six up.
[15:25.720 --> 15:26.720]  Six up in kids village.
[15:26.720 --> 15:27.720]  Six up.
[15:27.720 --> 15:28.720]  They have their guns.
[15:28.720 --> 15:29.720]  Hang on to your kids.
[15:29.720 --> 15:30.720]  Okay.
[15:30.720 --> 15:31.720]  Okay.
[15:31.720 --> 15:39.680]  So there you have it.
[15:39.680 --> 15:47.560]  That was from the videotape of sister Jamie videotaping the six up as we call them at
[15:47.560 --> 15:48.560]  the rainbow.
[15:48.560 --> 15:51.240]  We call them the six up when they carry their guns because there's six shooters and they
[15:51.240 --> 15:53.120]  do carry real firearms by the way.
[15:53.120 --> 15:57.440]  They've got assault rifles and they have automatic pistols.
[15:57.440 --> 16:01.120]  They've got automatic weapons, pistols and assault rifles as well as their crowd control
[16:01.120 --> 16:02.120]  weapons.
[16:02.120 --> 16:03.120]  Okay.
[16:03.120 --> 16:05.120]  And so that's why we call them six up.
[16:05.120 --> 16:08.840]  We call the regular forestry service seven up because they're benign.
[16:08.840 --> 16:12.400]  They don't really harass us and they don't carry firearms either.
[16:12.400 --> 16:18.720]  So at any rate, it's like these guys really have a lot of gall to do something like this
[16:18.720 --> 16:20.440]  after what happened last year.
[16:20.440 --> 16:25.000]  And these are the same guys that shot up kid village last year.
[16:25.000 --> 16:26.000]  Okay.
[16:26.000 --> 16:31.560]  So all right, Randy, we're definitely going to be doing something about this and I'm going
[16:31.560 --> 16:34.680]  to be talking on the other side about what happened to me.
[16:34.680 --> 16:40.880]  I called in with a report before and we got his name officer Hayes thanks to sister Jamie.
[16:40.880 --> 16:44.000]  So we'll be right back.
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[18:51.160 --> 18:55.000]  I love Pat's lyrics here.
[18:55.000 --> 18:57.960]  He's talking about the sheeple here.
[18:57.960 --> 19:03.920]  They criticize Three Shoes Posse for singing political lyrics, okay?
[19:03.920 --> 19:11.040]  But they like them love slavery, Pat says, and they love to get their hand out from the
[19:11.040 --> 19:12.040]  government.
[19:12.040 --> 19:13.040]  Okay.
[19:13.040 --> 19:19.360]  So they criticize us for being politically active, but then they go and willingly go
[19:19.360 --> 19:24.680]  into their bondage slavery and they love it and they get their hand out from the government.
[19:24.680 --> 19:29.680]  So there's some sheeple music for you.
[19:29.680 --> 19:31.360]  Three Shoes Posse, tyranny.
[19:31.360 --> 19:32.360]  Okay.
[19:32.360 --> 19:35.080]  So back to what happened with the rainbow.
[19:35.080 --> 19:36.080]  Okay.
[19:36.080 --> 19:43.360]  So as many of the listeners may know about what happened to me on the way into the gathering,
[19:43.360 --> 19:44.680]  okay?
[19:44.680 --> 19:49.440]  And I went back and got photographs and video of the intersection, if you even want to call
[19:49.440 --> 19:50.560]  it that.
[19:50.560 --> 19:57.520]  It's basically the road goes straight and the road basically turns into Forestry Service
[19:57.520 --> 19:59.680]  Road 103 from 126.
[19:59.680 --> 20:04.440]  This is up in the Santa Fe National Forest, about eight miles north of Cuba, which is
[20:04.440 --> 20:08.280]  about a hundred miles north of Albuquerque in the Santa Fe National Forest.
[20:08.280 --> 20:20.320]  So anyways, they were basically vulturing around this intersection, pulling people over
[20:20.320 --> 20:25.080]  who are not using their blinker, okay?
[20:25.080 --> 20:32.280]  To turn onto this road, which it's not even a turn and I'll post photos and videos of
[20:32.280 --> 20:33.280]  this.
[20:33.280 --> 20:38.760]  So they pulled me over, I'm driving, got Jerry in the front seat, our friend David's in the
[20:38.760 --> 20:41.220]  back seat, okay?
[20:41.220 --> 20:47.480]  And they took my driver's license and they wanted to see, you know, proof of insurance
[20:47.480 --> 20:52.880]  and inspection and registration, the whole nine yards, you know, no big deal.
[20:52.880 --> 20:56.520]  Have all my papers up to date, even though I don't need a driver's license because I
[20:56.520 --> 21:01.480]  wasn't engaged in any commercial activity, still that's not the fight I wanted to fight
[21:01.480 --> 21:03.460]  on the way to the rainbow gathering.
[21:03.460 --> 21:08.520]  So that's why I still have a driver's license because that's just not a battle that I can
[21:08.520 --> 21:09.520]  deal with right now.
[21:09.520 --> 21:14.680]  So anyway, I gave them all the papers and the guy had disappeared in his car for like
[21:14.680 --> 21:15.720]  15 minutes.
[21:15.720 --> 21:21.320]  So obviously he's running a full NCIC background check on me and whatever else comes back.
[21:21.320 --> 21:23.080]  Of course, everything checked out.
[21:23.080 --> 21:24.320]  I have no warrants.
[21:24.320 --> 21:25.860]  Everything's up to date.
[21:25.860 --> 21:29.440]  All my blinkers work on the car, the whole thing.
[21:29.440 --> 21:30.440]  Okay.
[21:30.440 --> 21:37.760]  At that point, what the guy should have done is give me a ticket if he so chose to give
[21:37.760 --> 21:42.280]  me a ticket for failing to use my blinker, but he didn't.
[21:42.280 --> 21:50.280]  He informed me without even asking my permission that he was going to run his canine drug dog
[21:50.280 --> 21:55.920]  around my car and just told me that's what he was going to do and to roll up my window
[21:55.920 --> 21:56.920]  like halfway.
[21:56.920 --> 21:59.720]  I don't know why he didn't just want me to roll up my window all the way.
[21:59.720 --> 22:03.360]  But at any rate, he wanted me to roll up the window halfway, I guess so the dog wouldn't
[22:03.360 --> 22:06.560]  jump in the car, but still wanted it down so the dog could smell something if there
[22:06.560 --> 22:08.720]  was anything in there, which there wasn't.
[22:08.720 --> 22:14.200]  So I didn't fight, all right, because I decided, all right, I'm going to let these guys hang
[22:14.200 --> 22:15.200]  themselves.
[22:15.200 --> 22:16.200]  All right.
[22:16.200 --> 22:20.760]  So I just sat there and he proceeds to run the dog around the car a couple of times and
[22:20.760 --> 22:25.960]  I'm watching him in the rear view mirrors and I see him signal the dog.
[22:25.960 --> 22:26.960]  Okay.
[22:26.960 --> 22:29.240]  I see him signal the dog in the rear view mirror.
[22:29.240 --> 22:30.240]  He's like, come on, wait.
[22:30.240 --> 22:31.240]  I mean, you can't hear him.
[22:31.240 --> 22:32.720]  He's not even trying to hide it that well.
[22:32.720 --> 22:33.720]  Come on, come on.
[22:33.720 --> 22:37.680]  You know, and the dog's pawing up and scratching on my trunk.
[22:37.680 --> 22:40.160]  And I knew it was a total setup because it didn't have anything.
[22:40.160 --> 22:41.160]  Okay.
[22:41.160 --> 22:47.440]  So he comes back and he's all, well, well, you know, my dog signaled something in your
[22:47.440 --> 22:48.440]  trunk.
[22:48.440 --> 22:52.680]  So we're going to need you guys, we're going to need to do some further searching.
[22:52.680 --> 22:57.160]  And so they had Jerry and David get out of the car.
[22:57.160 --> 23:03.440]  They had me stay in the car and they proceeded to search David and Jerry.
[23:03.440 --> 23:04.440]  Their pockets.
[23:04.440 --> 23:07.520]  They didn't strip search them, thank God, but they searched their pockets and pat them
[23:07.520 --> 23:09.080]  down and all that kind of stuff.
[23:09.080 --> 23:10.760]  And I'm thinking, okay, yeah, right, buddy.
[23:10.760 --> 23:16.760]  Just try it on me because you'll be getting some sexual assault charges on your butt faster
[23:16.760 --> 23:20.680]  than you can say boo, but they knew better than that.
[23:20.680 --> 23:22.560]  They didn't have any female officers at the time.
[23:22.560 --> 23:25.920]  So they searched Jerry and David, then they made him go stay on the other side of the
[23:25.920 --> 23:26.920]  road.
[23:26.920 --> 23:31.240]  And then they had me get out of the car and they just had me hold my arms out in the air
[23:31.240 --> 23:35.400]  and then made me turn around in circles a couple of times, just to look me up and down,
[23:35.400 --> 23:39.480]  I guess to see if there was anything bulging in my pockets or anything, but they didn't
[23:39.480 --> 23:40.480]  touch me.
[23:40.480 --> 23:44.800]  And they had me go sit on the other side of the road with David and Jerry.
[23:44.800 --> 23:50.720]  Then they proceeded to take everything out of my car, okay, everything.
[23:50.720 --> 23:58.000]  And the all the items that were inside the passenger area or the driver area, they completely
[23:58.000 --> 24:04.040]  tore apart, like my purse, David's backpack, Jerry's guitar case, anything that was in
[24:04.040 --> 24:06.720]  the area where we were sitting.
[24:06.720 --> 24:11.000]  The other packs and stuff like that that were in the trunk, they put those on the side of
[24:11.000 --> 24:13.880]  the road, on our side of the road.
[24:13.880 --> 24:20.080]  And while they proceeded to completely tear apart my car, I mean, they took the jack out,
[24:20.080 --> 24:21.880]  they took the spare tire out.
[24:21.880 --> 24:27.920]  All right, they were taking the light out of the headliner of the ceiling of the car.
[24:27.920 --> 24:31.480]  I mean, it was really, really ridiculous.
[24:31.480 --> 24:35.720]  And then they're running the drug dog back and forth, back and forth, back and forth
[24:35.720 --> 24:38.360]  around our bags that were in the trunk.
[24:38.360 --> 24:43.280]  Dog's not signaling, dog's not doing anything, he's just sitting there like, what's next?
[24:43.280 --> 24:46.000]  Do, do, do, what are you doing?
[24:46.000 --> 24:47.000]  Okay.
[24:47.000 --> 24:50.120]  And so this went on for like an hour and a half.
[24:50.120 --> 24:55.200]  So then he finally comes over to us and you can tell they're really frustrated because
[24:55.200 --> 24:58.520]  they're not finding anything because we didn't have anything.
[24:58.520 --> 24:59.520]  All right.
[24:59.520 --> 25:04.480]  And so he comes over and he's like, well, you know, I've been working with this dog
[25:04.480 --> 25:10.160]  for a long time and he's giving me obvious clear signals of some serious narcotic presence
[25:10.160 --> 25:13.020]  in the vehicle with you guys.
[25:13.020 --> 25:19.560]  And so we're going to have to call a female officer out to search the lady.
[25:19.560 --> 25:23.120]  So is there anything you guys would like to tell us first?
[25:23.120 --> 25:26.720]  Is there anything y'all want to, you know, like cough up?
[25:26.720 --> 25:30.680]  Because if y'all have something serious on you, if the lady has anything serious on her
[25:30.680 --> 25:34.120]  that gets found, you know, we don't want to have to bring anybody to jail here, but if
[25:34.120 --> 25:37.160]  y'all have a pipe or something, just hand it over so that we can give you a ticket and
[25:37.160 --> 25:38.160]  let you go on your way.
[25:38.160 --> 25:41.960]  And I'm thinking, what a liar, what a liar.
[25:41.960 --> 25:43.240]  Okay.
[25:43.240 --> 25:46.480]  And so we're just sitting there.
[25:46.480 --> 25:48.360]  Obviously it's a game of poker with these people.
[25:48.360 --> 25:50.180]  It's a game of bluff.
[25:50.180 --> 25:52.440]  And so we're just, but we weren't bluffing anything.
[25:52.440 --> 25:55.400]  So we're just sitting there and I'm like, okay, go for it.
[25:55.400 --> 25:58.320]  It's just going to be one more tort on you guys.
[25:58.320 --> 25:59.840]  I'll have one more cause of action.
[25:59.840 --> 26:00.840]  So bring it on.
[26:00.840 --> 26:02.600]  And, but David was getting sick of it.
[26:02.600 --> 26:05.640]  We were all getting sick of it because it was starting to get dark and we still had
[26:05.640 --> 26:12.500]  like at least eight more miles to go in the windy forest dirt road before we got to camp.
[26:12.500 --> 26:14.680]  So David decided to lead him on a wild goose chase.
[26:14.680 --> 26:21.800]  So he goes, well, uh, you know, uh, I did let my friend borrow my tent, uh, last weekend
[26:21.800 --> 26:25.640]  and uh, he just gave it back last night and I hadn't, I didn't unroll it or unpack it
[26:25.640 --> 26:26.640]  or anything.
[26:26.640 --> 26:27.800]  So he may have left something in there.
[26:27.800 --> 26:28.800]  I don't know.
[26:28.800 --> 26:30.920]  Maybe that's what, what your dog is picking up.
[26:30.920 --> 26:34.320]  And so officer Hayes goes, he's, he's all over it, right?
[26:34.320 --> 26:38.200]  He's like, Oh, Oh, so what your friend and he's doing the air quotes.
[26:38.200 --> 26:41.000]  Did your friend, uh, smoke?
[26:41.000 --> 26:43.360]  And David's like, I don't know.
[26:43.360 --> 26:48.920]  He's not that good of a friend who saw me and Jerry could do to keep from just busting
[26:48.920 --> 26:49.920]  out laughing.
[26:49.920 --> 26:50.920]  Okay.
[26:50.920 --> 26:54.440]  So he proceeds to go into David's tent bag and he's reaching in there.
[26:54.440 --> 26:57.880]  I'm surprised he didn't dump the whole thing out and shake it out and unroll it and everything,
[26:57.880 --> 26:58.880]  but he didn't.
[26:58.880 --> 27:00.980]  I think he was getting tired of it all by then.
[27:00.980 --> 27:05.600]  So he just kind of reached his hand in there, didn't find anything, gets up, throws a tent
[27:05.600 --> 27:13.320]  bag down and stomps and sighs, you know, I'm like, man, this is hilarious.
[27:13.320 --> 27:20.840]  Because by now they have let like 10 cars go by that they could have probably had a
[27:20.840 --> 27:25.320]  lot of busts that they were missing because they were spending so much time on us.
[27:25.320 --> 27:27.080]  And I knew they were really frustrated.
[27:27.080 --> 27:29.940]  And so officer Hayes is like, well, you'll have two options.
[27:29.940 --> 27:34.600]  You can either put your bags back in your car yourselves, or, or I guess we could do
[27:34.600 --> 27:35.600]  it for you.
[27:35.600 --> 27:37.200]  And I was like, well, I'll do it.
[27:37.200 --> 27:38.200]  We'll do it ourselves.
[27:38.200 --> 27:40.880]  Cause it took me like an hour and a half to pack the car.
[27:40.880 --> 27:41.880]  Okay.
[27:41.880 --> 27:44.600]  So we just had to kind of throw everything in there and we were all very cramped inside
[27:44.600 --> 27:47.840]  the main area of the car because I wasn't able to pack it properly because we had to
[27:47.840 --> 27:50.800]  get to the camp before dark.
[27:50.800 --> 27:54.400]  I mean, as it was, we had to camp in the parking lot that night, the parking area.
[27:54.400 --> 28:02.920]  So anyways, I was not able to get the guy's name and badge number at the time because
[28:02.920 --> 28:09.480]  I was in such a flustered flurry to hurry up and pack the car and get out of there so
[28:09.480 --> 28:13.960]  that we wouldn't be like stumbling around in the dark setting up camp.
[28:13.960 --> 28:18.920]  So I mean, even, even people who are well experienced and know how to handle situations
[28:18.920 --> 28:22.440]  make little mistakes like these at times.
[28:22.440 --> 28:25.480]  But I knew I would be able to get his name eventually because it's the same group of
[28:25.480 --> 28:27.360]  people every year and I recognize them anyway.
[28:27.360 --> 28:32.760]  So thanks to sister Jamie and kid village, we got his name, uh, the three of us, Jerry
[28:32.760 --> 28:36.800]  and David and I positively a hundred percent ID this guy.
[28:36.800 --> 28:39.600]  It's a dirty officer Hayes.
[28:39.600 --> 28:41.160]  So Randy, that's the deal.
[28:41.160 --> 28:47.760]  Now it's my understanding from recent Supreme court decision that, uh, law enforcement officers
[28:47.760 --> 28:54.720]  are not allowed to continue a seizure.
[28:54.720 --> 28:55.720]  Okay.
[28:55.720 --> 28:56.720]  Of your person.
[28:56.720 --> 29:03.680]  They're not allowed to continue a traffic stop after, uh, the traffic stop has been
[29:03.680 --> 29:07.760]  taken care of after all the issues concerning the traffic stop has taken care of simply
[29:07.760 --> 29:11.340]  for the purpose of searching you unless they have probable cause.
[29:11.340 --> 29:13.520]  And that's exactly what this guy did.
[29:13.520 --> 29:14.520]  Okay.
[29:14.520 --> 29:18.880]  He, he took care of the traffic stop, ran my license and the insurance and the registration
[29:18.880 --> 29:19.880]  and all of that.
[29:19.880 --> 29:24.440]  And when all of that was done, then he just informed me that he was going to search us
[29:24.440 --> 29:26.440]  and the dog and everything else.
[29:26.440 --> 29:28.960]  Oh, and by the way, he never gave me a ticket either.
[29:28.960 --> 29:31.760]  So, uh, Randy, what do you say?
[29:31.760 --> 29:32.760]  He screwed.
[29:32.760 --> 29:35.120]  That's what I thought.
[29:35.120 --> 29:36.120]  Screws VUS.
[29:36.120 --> 29:38.880]  We're, we're about to go to break, but I'm going to skip.
[29:38.880 --> 29:39.880]  I'm going to skip break.
[29:39.880 --> 29:40.880]  Yeah.
[29:40.880 --> 29:41.880]  Go ahead.
[29:41.880 --> 29:42.880]  Go ahead.
[29:42.880 --> 29:51.600]  Screws VUS, it addresses notice where public officials were sued for killing a guy in Mississippi.
[29:51.600 --> 29:56.440]  They were sued in the state, prosecuted in the state first.
[29:56.440 --> 30:01.840]  Then they were sued in the state for the state, state torts they committed.
[30:01.840 --> 30:06.920]  Then they were sued in the fed for the civil rights violations.
[30:06.920 --> 30:11.720]  And they whined to the Supreme court that we didn't have noticed that we could be sued
[30:11.720 --> 30:13.600]  in both the state and the fed.
[30:13.600 --> 30:15.440]  Oh, give me a break.
[30:15.440 --> 30:18.000]  You can be sued anywhere for anything.
[30:18.000 --> 30:24.080]  That's kind of what the, uh, the fed told them that a private citizen cannot claim ignorance
[30:24.080 --> 30:27.560]  of the law as a defense to prosecution.
[30:27.560 --> 30:32.280]  A public official in a position to affect the rights of a citizen is held to a much
[30:32.280 --> 30:33.280]  higher standard.
[30:33.280 --> 30:35.560]  Now that, that was a paraphrase.
[30:35.560 --> 30:44.480]  This is not, if a public official violates a ruling of this court and he be sane, he
[30:44.480 --> 30:47.880]  may not be heard to say he knows not what he does.
[30:47.880 --> 30:53.800]  Well, just a couple of months ago, the Supreme court said to all of the policemen in the
[30:53.800 --> 31:00.960]  country, you can not do this.
[31:00.960 --> 31:05.000]  Now what part of that did officer Hayes have a problem understanding?
[31:05.000 --> 31:06.800]  They can't do what?
[31:06.800 --> 31:15.440]  You cannot search after a Terry stop absent probable cause to believe some weapon is in
[31:15.440 --> 31:17.720]  the car or contraband is in the car.
[31:17.720 --> 31:18.720]  Yes.
[31:18.720 --> 31:20.240]  Because it's called the fourth amendment.
[31:20.240 --> 31:21.240]  They have to have probable cause.
[31:21.240 --> 31:27.240]  They have to have some, something showing that they have a valid reason to search.
[31:27.240 --> 31:35.240]  If in the process of the Terry stop, the Terry stop being the, the Terry V Ohio that allows
[31:35.240 --> 31:38.320]  a police offer to stop you.
[31:38.320 --> 31:46.320]  If he has reason to believe that you violated a traffic law that he can hold you for a reasonable
[31:46.320 --> 31:53.800]  bout of time and do some reasonable questioning and if he finds no probable cause, if he finds
[31:53.800 --> 31:58.080]  he was mistaken, he's to let you go.
[31:58.080 --> 31:59.080]  He may not, sir.
[31:59.080 --> 32:03.560]  And they used to do a standard search for safety.
[32:03.560 --> 32:05.080]  What?
[32:05.080 --> 32:06.080]  The guy could have a pistol.
[32:06.080 --> 32:07.080]  Turn my back.
[32:07.080 --> 32:09.080]  He'll blow me away.
[32:09.080 --> 32:10.080]  Okay.
[32:10.080 --> 32:11.080]  That was their excuse.
[32:11.080 --> 32:16.040]  You know, everybody knows it was hard horse hockey, but that's the excuse they use.
[32:16.040 --> 32:23.680]  So what the Supreme court said, no, a resounding unequivocal no.
[32:23.680 --> 32:26.080]  And this was only like two months ago, right?
[32:26.080 --> 32:27.080]  Yes.
[32:27.080 --> 32:28.080]  Okay.
[32:28.080 --> 32:32.040]  So they can't pretend like it was some archaic technicality.
[32:32.040 --> 32:33.040]  Exactly.
[32:33.040 --> 32:35.560]  There is not a loophole officer ban.
[32:35.560 --> 32:36.560]  Yes.
[32:36.560 --> 32:39.120]  Either or was it archaic?
[32:39.120 --> 32:40.120]  Okay.
[32:40.120 --> 32:47.120]  So what that amounts to false imprisonment, illegal search.
[32:47.120 --> 32:52.120]  These are causes of action of action and their criminal acts.
[32:52.120 --> 32:53.120]  Okay.
[32:53.120 --> 32:58.040]  And also I wanted to ask about another Supreme court ruling that we were discussing at the
[32:58.040 --> 33:10.160]  camp later that night concerning that they can't search your car or your bags or any
[33:10.160 --> 33:17.440]  items that are out of reach, out of arm's reach from where you were sitting.
[33:17.440 --> 33:24.520]  If they take you and make you move more than like 50 feet away from the car or whatever,
[33:24.520 --> 33:28.720]  they're not allowed to search areas of the car where you could not physically reach with
[33:28.720 --> 33:30.640]  your hand, i.e. the trunk.
[33:30.640 --> 33:31.840]  Is that correct?
[33:31.840 --> 33:35.800]  That's the safety search that I was talking about earlier.
[33:35.800 --> 33:41.520]  If you're sitting in the driver's seat, they can search under the seat, next to the seat
[33:41.520 --> 33:44.480]  and the console next to you.
[33:44.480 --> 33:46.760]  During the Terry stop, but not after.
[33:46.760 --> 33:47.760]  Right.
[33:47.760 --> 33:51.180]  For the purpose of, now they can't search the glove compartment.
[33:51.180 --> 33:52.180]  They can or cannot?
[33:52.180 --> 33:56.400]  They cannot, because in order to reach the glove compartment, you would have to lean
[33:56.400 --> 34:01.920]  over in the seat, open the glove compartment, by that time they would have plenty of clear
[34:01.920 --> 34:02.920]  warning.
[34:02.920 --> 34:07.200]  Yeah, but Jerry was sitting in the front seat, so they may be able to search the glove compartment.
[34:07.200 --> 34:08.200]  There's a passenger.
[34:08.200 --> 34:10.520]  I was going to go to that.
[34:10.520 --> 34:17.280]  If there is a passenger, you can search what the passenger can reach without making movements
[34:17.280 --> 34:23.120]  that would be clearly obvious as aggressive movements to the officer, or potentially aggressive
[34:23.120 --> 34:24.120]  movements.
[34:24.120 --> 34:29.240]  They have to be something where you could reach, slide your hand down by the seat and
[34:29.240 --> 34:32.560]  unobtrusively come up with a weapon.
[34:32.560 --> 34:35.080]  Well they didn't do any of that.
[34:35.080 --> 34:41.640]  They did not do a safety search during the Terry stop.
[34:41.640 --> 34:46.800]  All they did, all Officer Hayes did was take my driver's license, inform me that I did
[34:46.800 --> 34:53.440]  not use my blinker when I should have, and asked for my papers, and it was a very, very
[34:53.440 --> 34:54.440]  brief conversation.
[34:54.440 --> 34:59.040]  It lasted less than 30 seconds, and he took my stuff back to his car, and he was gone
[34:59.040 --> 35:00.040]  for 15 minutes.
[35:00.040 --> 35:04.880]  See, these were the guys that couldn't make it on the street as regular cops.
[35:04.880 --> 35:09.520]  So they made them traffic cops, and they couldn't even make it right in tickets, because they
[35:09.520 --> 35:12.800]  couldn't even get figured out how that works.
[35:12.800 --> 35:16.800]  So they put them doing this nonsense, they stick them out in the woods where they hope
[35:16.800 --> 35:18.120]  they won't cause much problems.
[35:18.120 --> 35:22.000]  Well, I don't know, Randi, this is not, this is the incident management team.
[35:22.000 --> 35:24.880]  These people have like special ops training.
[35:24.880 --> 35:30.140]  It sounds like they have special idiots training.
[35:30.140 --> 35:36.800]  When you got six guys amongst 30,000, and you're trying to incite a riot, you got a
[35:36.800 --> 35:39.320]  death wish.
[35:39.320 --> 35:42.960]  You get a riot, you might not like it.
[35:42.960 --> 35:46.520]  This guy's got to be nuts.
[35:46.520 --> 35:53.080]  Well, they obviously are not taking their marching orders from themselves, okay?
[35:53.080 --> 35:55.600]  Because nobody in their right mind would do such things.
[35:55.600 --> 35:59.400]  It looks to me like they're just doing it for the money, and they're being told by a
[35:59.400 --> 36:03.160]  higher entity what to do in this situation.
[36:03.160 --> 36:07.600]  And I am totally convinced that this is not only coming down from highest levels of our
[36:07.600 --> 36:11.040]  government, but the UN itself.
[36:11.040 --> 36:13.240]  This is all about agenda 21.
[36:13.240 --> 36:16.640]  I finally figured out why they harassed the rainbow.
[36:16.640 --> 36:23.280]  So why would the government spend millions and millions of dollars every year, okay?
[36:23.280 --> 36:27.900]  And all the training and all the helicopters and everything, I mean, it's just, it's such
[36:27.900 --> 36:32.200]  an extravagant setup.
[36:32.200 --> 36:37.360]  What they do just to go harass some hippies out in the woods, all right?
[36:37.360 --> 36:42.320]  There's got to be another reason for it other than to just try to make a few busts of people
[36:42.320 --> 36:45.840]  who may have a joint in their pocket, all right?
[36:45.840 --> 36:47.040]  It's not for revenue.
[36:47.040 --> 36:52.680]  It's definitely not for revenue purposes because all the tickets that they write and any revenue
[36:52.680 --> 37:00.240]  that they may get as a result of any court action from people getting arrested or busted,
[37:00.240 --> 37:07.160]  it's not a drop in the bucket compared to the money that they spend every year on the
[37:07.160 --> 37:09.040]  rainbow gathering, harassing the rainbow gathering.
[37:09.040 --> 37:10.400]  And I figured out what it is.
[37:10.400 --> 37:17.200]  It has to do with agenda 21, where part of what agenda 21 says is that they intend on
[37:17.200 --> 37:20.680]  corralling everyone into the cities all over the world, all right?
[37:20.680 --> 37:31.120]  They want to cordon off over 70% of all landmass to be prohibited from human use at all, okay?
[37:31.120 --> 37:35.760]  They want to round everyone up and move them into the cities and not even let people go
[37:35.760 --> 37:39.160]  into rural areas or forests at all.
[37:39.160 --> 37:42.680]  They want to keep all the national forests and the national parks and places like the
[37:42.680 --> 37:50.080]  Grand Canyon, et cetera, and all our wonderful, beautiful, God-given areas that should be
[37:50.080 --> 37:52.600]  shared that are part of our national forest land right now.
[37:52.600 --> 37:54.520]  They don't want us out there at all, okay?
[37:54.520 --> 38:02.320]  And so they've got to put a stop to it because as long as some free hippies, nomads can go
[38:02.320 --> 38:04.960]  out and enjoy the forest anytime they want, wherever they want.
[38:04.960 --> 38:07.760]  Well, they certainly aren't going to be able to control the world.
[38:07.760 --> 38:09.560]  So I think that that has a lot to do with it.
[38:09.560 --> 38:13.480]  But I want to go after these guys on a bunch of different levels, Randy.
[38:13.480 --> 38:16.840]  I want to file criminal charges against them in federal court.
[38:16.840 --> 38:19.340]  And I also want to sue them.
[38:19.340 --> 38:22.560]  And I'm going to go into the process of leaning their bonds.
[38:22.560 --> 38:25.560]  Now I want to talk about the strategy here.
[38:25.560 --> 38:29.600]  We were discussing the bond leaning thing last night.
[38:29.600 --> 38:35.080]  And you were saying that if we try to enforce, we can successfully lean their bond, but if
[38:35.080 --> 38:38.800]  we try to enforce it, we won't get paid.
[38:38.800 --> 38:42.880]  The judge will not give us our way.
[38:42.880 --> 38:48.120]  And so the bond leaning process is basically you just file the lien and let it sit there
[38:48.120 --> 38:53.360]  just to be a monkey wrench in the works to basically stop them dead in their tracks.
[38:53.360 --> 38:55.520]  But you don't get any money off of that.
[38:55.520 --> 39:02.560]  And so I guess the civil action, when I file a lawsuit, that's where I'm going to get paid.
[39:02.560 --> 39:05.600]  Here's their problem with those liens.
[39:05.600 --> 39:10.200]  And I'm sure there's guys out there who are into the commercial process who will tell
[39:10.200 --> 39:13.140]  me I'm full of horse manure.
[39:13.140 --> 39:20.200]  But from my research, the liens that are created are not maritime liens.
[39:20.200 --> 39:22.000]  I wasn't going to file a maritime lien.
[39:22.000 --> 39:24.240]  I was just going to file, I was just going to lean their bond.
[39:24.240 --> 39:27.240]  And if I have to stand in line behind other liens, that's fine.
[39:27.240 --> 39:28.240]  Yeah.
[39:28.240 --> 39:30.200]  Well, let me get to that.
[39:30.200 --> 39:34.920]  These guys think they're maritime liens and since they're maritime liens, they're first
[39:34.920 --> 39:37.400]  in line, first in time.
[39:37.400 --> 39:41.240]  So you can enforce your lien above everybody else's.
[39:41.240 --> 39:47.840]  And from my reading of the research, they are liens apparently, but not maritime, they're
[39:47.840 --> 39:49.680]  commercial liens.
[39:49.680 --> 39:53.600]  The only real difference is, is they're not first in line, first in time.
[39:53.600 --> 39:54.600]  Doesn't matter.
[39:54.600 --> 39:56.480]  Let me explain that quickly.
[39:56.480 --> 40:03.040]  The maritime lien was intended to capture a ship in Arbor that procured, procured services
[40:03.040 --> 40:07.660]  and didn't pay for them before he leaves Harbor and gets out of your reach.
[40:07.660 --> 40:11.600]  So even if there's other liens against the ship, you can grab the ship and enforce your
[40:11.600 --> 40:13.880]  lien before they leave.
[40:13.880 --> 40:16.160]  So it stands in front of everybody else's liens.
[40:16.160 --> 40:21.840]  Well, these guys are trying to get that kind of lien on the land, not going to happen.
[40:21.840 --> 40:24.240]  What they are getting is a commercial lien.
[40:24.240 --> 40:28.440]  It's not first in line, first in time, but it sure screws up the credit rating.
[40:28.440 --> 40:32.080]  Well, and it also stops them dead in their tracks.
[40:32.080 --> 40:37.680]  And depending on how much the lien is for, what the lien amount is, I want to discuss
[40:37.680 --> 40:40.800]  this on the air when we were talking about this last night.
[40:40.800 --> 40:46.760]  If you file a lien on their bond and the amount of the lien is more than their bond, well,
[40:46.760 --> 40:49.760]  then it starts spilling over into their personal assets.
[40:49.760 --> 40:54.560]  And that's how these public servants, personal bank accounts and credit cards are getting
[40:54.560 --> 41:00.120]  locked up and shut down by people filing liens against their public servant bond because
[41:00.120 --> 41:04.240]  it spills over into their personal assets if the amount of the lien is larger than their
[41:04.240 --> 41:05.240]  bond.
[41:05.240 --> 41:08.160]  And that's when you enter into the court of angry wife.
[41:08.160 --> 41:09.160]  Yes.
[41:09.160 --> 41:15.320]  I was going to say it enters into a whole other jurisdiction, the court of angry wife.
[41:15.320 --> 41:17.880]  And yes, that's where it'll have value.
[41:17.880 --> 41:24.480]  Now here's their problem, you can't collect on the lien without trying to jump through
[41:24.480 --> 41:25.520]  big hoops.
[41:25.520 --> 41:28.080]  And when you get to the federal judge, he's just going to throw it out.
[41:28.080 --> 41:29.080]  Okay.
[41:29.080 --> 41:30.080]  Yes.
[41:30.080 --> 41:33.340]  So the point of filing these liens is not necessarily to collect the money.
[41:33.340 --> 41:38.800]  It's just to cause them outrageous havoc and trouble and basically just shut them down.
[41:38.800 --> 41:42.840]  And so if we want to get paid, which I do, then that's where I'm going to file my civil
[41:42.840 --> 41:44.840]  action in civil court.
[41:44.840 --> 41:45.840]  Correct?
[41:45.840 --> 41:46.840]  Yes.
[41:46.840 --> 41:55.680]  Point I was trying to make, it'll cost you a lot to try to enforce it and then the judge
[41:55.680 --> 41:58.440]  is just going to throw it out.
[41:58.440 --> 42:05.560]  However, it sits there and if this guy wants to get rid of it, it's going to cost him
[42:05.560 --> 42:06.840]  a lot.
[42:06.840 --> 42:10.240]  He's going to have to hire an attorney and he's going to have to dance through the courts
[42:10.240 --> 42:11.240]  with you.
[42:11.240 --> 42:16.280]  It's going to cost him a fortune to try to get rid of it and then he can't recover.
[42:16.280 --> 42:17.600]  Sorry, Bubba.
[42:17.600 --> 42:18.600]  Life is tough.
[42:18.600 --> 42:19.600]  Life is tough.
[42:19.600 --> 42:24.400]  He should have thought about that before he decided to mess with hippies in the woods
[42:24.400 --> 42:26.200]  and take big money for it.
[42:26.200 --> 42:29.000]  I mean, the guy, you know, these people have no conscience.
[42:29.000 --> 42:30.000]  They're psychopaths.
[42:30.000 --> 42:32.200]  They think it's cool what they're doing.
[42:32.200 --> 42:35.040]  They don't care about people's rights.
[42:35.040 --> 42:39.320]  And I'm going to make that guy wish that he had never pulled me over that day and that
[42:39.320 --> 42:43.040]  he had never joined the incident management team to begin with.
[42:43.040 --> 42:44.040]  Good.
[42:44.040 --> 42:47.480]  That's how we exercise our checks and balance.
[42:47.480 --> 42:49.280]  I'm going to lead his bond.
[42:49.280 --> 42:53.440]  And Randy, you were saying that what I should do, you said that there was a recent case.
[42:53.440 --> 42:58.200]  I want to discuss this case concerning how much, how much should we sue for here?
[42:58.200 --> 42:59.480]  We were discussing this last night.
[42:59.480 --> 43:03.560]  How much should we sue for and how much should we lean for?
[43:03.560 --> 43:10.160]  And you said there was a recent court case that basically adjudicated $76,000 per hour
[43:10.160 --> 43:14.320]  for being falsely imprisoned or detained.
[43:14.320 --> 43:20.800]  Trevizont in Florida, they held him for 30 minutes.
[43:20.800 --> 43:22.480]  He sued.
[43:22.480 --> 43:28.160]  He got $38,000, I believe.
[43:28.160 --> 43:29.800]  So $38,000.
[43:29.800 --> 43:37.320]  So that's about $76,000 per hour for being falsely detained.
[43:37.320 --> 43:40.240]  And when we get back from break, I'll explain why that's important.
[43:40.240 --> 43:43.680]  Yes, because we need a cause of action and we need to show a precedent of an amount and
[43:43.680 --> 43:46.320]  not just pull some amount out of thin air.
[43:46.320 --> 43:47.320]  Exactly.
[43:47.320 --> 43:48.320]  Okay.
[43:48.320 --> 43:49.320]  We'll be right back.
[43:49.320 --> 43:52.880]  Callers, if you'd like to call in and comment 512-646-1984.
[43:52.880 --> 43:58.040]  We'll be right back.
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[45:18.120 --> 45:46.320]  Alright, watching the sparks fly.
[45:46.320 --> 45:50.480]  Brandi Kelton and Deborah Stevens here.
[45:50.480 --> 45:58.960]  We're discussing how we're going to go after this incident team that causes so many incidents
[45:58.960 --> 46:01.600]  here at the Rainbow.
[46:01.600 --> 46:06.940]  So basically, we're coming up with a figure of what we're going to sue these guys for,
[46:06.940 --> 46:11.540]  how much I'm going to sue them for, and how much we're going to lean their bond for.
[46:11.540 --> 46:16.900]  And we want to show some precedent, some history, some case law of a certain amount of money
[46:16.900 --> 46:20.820]  so that we're not just pulling something out of thin air that could be challenged as an
[46:20.820 --> 46:24.800]  unreasonable amount for a cause of action, et cetera.
[46:24.800 --> 46:29.080]  So Brandi, you were saying about this amount, and would you please also explain that you
[46:29.080 --> 46:35.960]  said that we should sue and lean for four times that amount, because one for the cause
[46:35.960 --> 46:38.480]  of action and three for punitive damages.
[46:38.480 --> 46:39.480]  Is that correct?
[46:39.480 --> 46:43.360]  The first amount is actual harm.
[46:43.360 --> 46:50.200]  And when you state an amount, the first thing the opposing side is going to do, or when
[46:50.200 --> 46:55.200]  you file suit, first thing they're going to do is move for summary judgment.
[46:55.200 --> 47:00.760]  So we have to structure the suit in a way that we avoid summary judgment.
[47:00.760 --> 47:03.320]  And that's not too terribly difficult.
[47:03.320 --> 47:06.220]  Then the second thing they're going to do is challenge the amount.
[47:06.220 --> 47:09.160]  Where did you come up with that figure?
[47:09.160 --> 47:17.720]  And we will say, well, Travis V. Florida was held for 30 minutes improperly, and the jury
[47:17.720 --> 47:27.340]  felt that $38,000 was a reasonable amount of actual injury.
[47:27.340 --> 47:36.480]  So based on 38,000 for a half hour, 76,000 per hour, we were held constructively from
[47:36.480 --> 47:42.320]  the time we were pulled over till the time we were able to leave, which included the
[47:42.320 --> 47:49.440]  time it took to reload everything in our car that the police had messed up.
[47:49.440 --> 47:52.880]  So we want 76,000 bucks an hour for loading the car.
[47:52.880 --> 47:55.160]  And they're going to say, well, that's outrageous.
[47:55.160 --> 47:58.360]  Well, show us some case law that shows it's outrageous.
[47:58.360 --> 48:00.400]  I got case law that says it's not.
[48:00.400 --> 48:01.400]  Yeah.
[48:01.400 --> 48:03.600]  Well, I think what they did to us was pretty outrageous.
[48:03.600 --> 48:10.480]  I mean, we were there, we were stopped almost two hours, and that was very precious time
[48:10.480 --> 48:12.560]  because it was getting dark.
[48:12.560 --> 48:18.820]  And actually, it caused us to be late to the entire gathering by almost a whole day because
[48:18.820 --> 48:23.520]  we would have been able to hike well deep into the forest and get to the place where
[48:23.520 --> 48:28.040]  we set up our permanent camp that night if they hadn't done that to us.
[48:28.040 --> 48:32.840]  But because they did that to us, we had to camp at the welcome home parking area and
[48:32.840 --> 48:34.720]  then hike our stuff in the next day.
[48:34.720 --> 48:38.880]  So we missed almost a whole day just trying to set up our next camp.
[48:38.880 --> 48:41.100]  We had to set up camp twice because of those guys.
[48:41.100 --> 48:43.680]  So they caused us a great inconvenience.
[48:43.680 --> 48:48.960]  Plus they violated us, especially David and Jerry, because they put their hands on them.
[48:48.960 --> 48:50.940]  And they didn't appreciate that very much.
[48:50.940 --> 48:52.560]  And I know I wouldn't have either.
[48:52.560 --> 48:55.360]  I think that guy liked it.
[48:55.360 --> 48:56.360]  Wouldn't surprise me.
[48:56.360 --> 48:58.360]  These people are sick.
[48:58.360 --> 49:03.920]  That would make it, if you felt as though he liked what he was doing, then it's sexual
[49:03.920 --> 49:04.920]  assault.
[49:04.920 --> 49:05.920]  Right.
[49:05.920 --> 49:08.760]  It doesn't matter whether he liked what he was doing or not.
[49:08.760 --> 49:10.600]  You could still accuse him of it.
[49:10.600 --> 49:16.400]  If you felt as though he was taking pleasure from it, you were armed.
[49:16.400 --> 49:17.400]  Exactly.
[49:17.400 --> 49:19.960]  So all three of us, well, see, I didn't get searched.
[49:19.960 --> 49:21.360]  They didn't put their hands on me.
[49:21.360 --> 49:22.360]  Okay.
[49:22.360 --> 49:23.780]  But they did to David and Jerry.
[49:23.780 --> 49:29.200]  So David and Jerry have other causes of action that they could file on.
[49:29.200 --> 49:35.900]  But as far as the detaining, the false imprisonment for the $76,000 an hour, we can, all three
[49:35.900 --> 49:39.480]  of us, sue for those amounts.
[49:39.480 --> 49:41.240]  Separately.
[49:41.240 --> 49:43.200]  You don't think we should file a lawsuit together?
[49:43.200 --> 49:46.840]  I mean, yes, but you can sue individually.
[49:46.840 --> 49:49.800]  Each gets to sue for the amount.
[49:49.800 --> 49:50.800]  Right.
[49:50.800 --> 49:52.400]  Because all three of you were held.
[49:52.400 --> 49:53.400]  Right.
[49:53.400 --> 49:54.400]  For the detaining.
[49:54.400 --> 50:02.320]  So if we, if we sue for like a hundred and, you know, $50,000 a piece or whatever, $152,000
[50:02.320 --> 50:11.120]  a piece for the two hours, well, that's like 450 grand total that we would be asking for.
[50:11.120 --> 50:12.520]  And that's just a lawsuit.
[50:12.520 --> 50:16.960]  And then we would each file of that amount.
[50:16.960 --> 50:21.280]  Oh, you're saying to file three times, you're saying to ask for three times that amount
[50:21.280 --> 50:22.280]  because of the punitive damage.
[50:22.280 --> 50:24.600]  Okay, Trevisant was one guy.
[50:24.600 --> 50:26.320]  He wasn't three people.
[50:26.320 --> 50:27.320]  He was one people.
[50:27.320 --> 50:33.640]  And one people got $76,000 an hour.
[50:33.640 --> 50:35.000]  Right.
[50:35.000 --> 50:37.080]  So you were three people.
[50:37.080 --> 50:38.080]  Yeah.
[50:38.080 --> 50:42.600]  So that's like 20, you know, $210,000 something thousand dollars an hour.
[50:42.600 --> 50:47.520]  And for the three of us, and then plus multiply that by four, you're saying to ask for punitive
[50:47.520 --> 50:48.520]  damages.
[50:48.520 --> 50:49.520]  Holy crap.
[50:49.520 --> 50:55.040]  So we're asking for like, we're going to be asking for like $800,000 an hour on their
[50:55.040 --> 51:00.360]  bond and on, in a lawsuit for what they did to us.
[51:00.360 --> 51:01.360]  Yeah.
[51:01.360 --> 51:02.640]  And they'll scream bloody murder.
[51:02.640 --> 51:04.440]  Oh, that's not justified.
[51:04.440 --> 51:09.240]  Well, what you've done is put them to their proof.
[51:09.240 --> 51:11.560]  All you have to do is come up with a reason.
[51:11.560 --> 51:14.840]  It doesn't even have to be a good one.
[51:14.840 --> 51:17.840]  You need something on which to base your claim.
[51:17.840 --> 51:25.400]  Well, you got something may not stand the test of a vigorous court hearing, but you
[51:25.400 --> 51:26.400]  got something.
[51:26.400 --> 51:31.080]  Well, it's still going to cause them a lot of trouble and it's not going to cost me anything,
[51:31.080 --> 51:33.000]  you know, except maybe some filing fees.
[51:33.000 --> 51:34.000]  Okay.
[51:34.000 --> 51:38.920]  We would never do that just because it would cause him problems because that would be improper
[51:38.920 --> 51:40.960]  and we would never do anything improper.
[51:40.960 --> 51:43.800]  No, I want the money.
[51:43.800 --> 51:45.000]  I want the money.
[51:45.000 --> 51:46.120]  I want the money.
[51:46.120 --> 51:48.880]  I deserve it because they harassed us.
[51:48.880 --> 51:50.880]  They illegally searched us.
[51:50.880 --> 51:54.120]  They took away my liberty and my freedom, okay?
[51:54.120 --> 51:59.540]  And they put their hands all over my friend and my husband without cause and they went
[51:59.540 --> 52:01.580]  through my purse and they went through our stuff.
[52:01.580 --> 52:02.580]  They violated us.
[52:02.580 --> 52:05.560]  I deserve compensation, period.
[52:05.560 --> 52:06.560]  Exactly.
[52:06.560 --> 52:10.680]  Nobody gets to abuse Jerry that way except you.
[52:10.680 --> 52:12.400]  I don't abuse Jerry.
[52:12.400 --> 52:13.400]  Give me a break.
[52:13.400 --> 52:14.400]  All right.
[52:14.400 --> 52:16.840]  We've got a caller on the line, Kathy.
[52:16.840 --> 52:18.720]  Maybe she dropped off from a cell phone or something.
[52:18.720 --> 52:21.920]  Kathy, if you'd like to call back in, we'll take you right away.
[52:21.920 --> 52:23.240]  Right now we have open phone lines.
[52:23.240 --> 52:29.720]  Callers, if you'd like to call and make a comment, 512-646-1984.
[52:29.720 --> 52:34.200]  So yeah, I'm going to be filing commercial liens against these guys.
[52:34.200 --> 52:36.080]  I don't know if they have personal bonds or not.
[52:36.080 --> 52:37.280]  I'll have to find that out.
[52:37.280 --> 52:42.920]  I'm also going to be foying all the videotape and photographs that these people have ever
[52:42.920 --> 52:47.160]  taken of the Ramo gathering over all the years that they've been in existence.
[52:47.160 --> 52:52.760]  I'm going to FOIA all the reports that they've ever made, et cetera, et cetera.
[52:52.760 --> 52:58.000]  I wasn't able to go after them the last couple of years because we had election year and
[52:58.000 --> 53:05.280]  Ron Paul and then Randy and I started our own radio network and all these kinds of things.
[53:05.280 --> 53:08.920]  But now that all that's settled down, I have time on my hands, so I'm going to get back
[53:08.920 --> 53:13.680]  to business and I'm going to take these people down because it's ridiculous, man.
[53:13.680 --> 53:19.680]  We never have a problem with the local forestry people.
[53:19.680 --> 53:21.960]  They're always very helpful to us.
[53:21.960 --> 53:26.200]  They'll come and let us know if there's a storm on the way.
[53:26.200 --> 53:29.840]  They come and we cook for them and they hang out at the campfire.
[53:29.840 --> 53:32.200]  They don't harass us.
[53:32.200 --> 53:35.680]  We even teach them a thing or two about how to take care of the forest.
[53:35.680 --> 53:37.920]  And it's always a good scene.
[53:37.920 --> 53:41.080]  It's this incident management team.
[53:41.080 --> 53:47.240]  It's these high level feds and the local forestry smoky, the bears, they don't like them either.
[53:47.240 --> 53:50.800]  So I'm going to do something about it because it's ridiculous, man.
[53:50.800 --> 53:52.400]  It's total straight up tyranny.
[53:52.400 --> 53:54.840]  We can't have them harassing the kids.
[53:54.840 --> 54:02.360]  It really is absolutely atrocious, Randy, because Kid Village is like the crowning jewel of
[54:02.360 --> 54:04.120]  the rainbow.
[54:04.120 --> 54:10.480]  It's the center and the focus of most of the activities, especially on the 4th of July.
[54:10.480 --> 54:14.800]  It's the area that they have all the best food, all the most food.
[54:14.800 --> 54:16.600]  They take good care of the kids.
[54:16.600 --> 54:19.280]  Everyone's taking care of each other's kids.
[54:19.280 --> 54:24.000]  Kid Village is the center and the focus and the crowning jewel of the rainbow gathering
[54:24.000 --> 54:25.960]  and it's our children.
[54:25.960 --> 54:29.760]  We can't be having the mess with the kids and carrying guns, a camera in one hand and
[54:29.760 --> 54:31.840]  gun in other hand right next to little infants.
[54:31.840 --> 54:33.680]  I'm not going to put up with it anymore.
[54:33.680 --> 54:35.360]  We've got Kathy back on the line.
[54:35.360 --> 54:36.360]  Let's go to Kathy.
[54:36.360 --> 54:38.360]  Kathy, thanks for calling back.
[54:38.360 --> 54:39.360]  What's on your mind?
[54:39.360 --> 54:45.800]  Well, I was enjoying the story, but then you got me going on here and I think, I don't
[54:45.800 --> 54:50.360]  know if everyone out there knows, but Randy knows, we put some things to the grand jury
[54:50.360 --> 54:51.360]  today.
[54:51.360 --> 54:52.360]  Oh, right.
[54:52.360 --> 54:57.520]  And I actually called down there and talked to the assistant DA and asked him when we
[54:57.520 --> 54:58.520]  might find results.
[54:58.520 --> 55:05.040]  And he said, well, I asked him for the minutes and he said, well, he said, that's private.
[55:05.040 --> 55:08.520]  Everything at the grand jury is completely private.
[55:08.520 --> 55:11.040]  And I said, well, how do you know if anything got heard or not?
[55:11.040 --> 55:16.000]  And he goes, oh, well, they'll list the indictments after the fact.
[55:16.000 --> 55:21.400]  So early next week, he said, you can get a list of indictments that they handed down.
[55:21.400 --> 55:26.520]  You might've told moron prosecutor, that's the minutes, Bubba.
[55:26.520 --> 55:28.800]  Yeah, that is the minutes.
[55:28.800 --> 55:33.000]  And it's not just a list of the indictments, but they list the no bills as well.
[55:33.000 --> 55:35.800]  Well, he said that it would only be a list of indictments.
[55:35.800 --> 55:37.760]  And I said, well, that's fine.
[55:37.760 --> 55:42.160]  That's what I'm interested in because I want to make sure that the indictments came down.
[55:42.160 --> 55:44.560]  No, actually I'll hammer them.
[55:44.560 --> 55:52.400]  No, we want the minutes of the grand jury that were taken by the clerk of the court
[55:52.400 --> 55:58.560]  in accordance with 20.22 code of criminal procedure.
[55:58.560 --> 56:05.560]  After the grand jury has voted on a presentment, they will read into the court, whether they
[56:05.560 --> 56:07.760]  true bill, no bill, or passed.
[56:07.760 --> 56:08.760]  Okay.
[56:08.760 --> 56:13.360]  So they should have a list of everything they did basically.
[56:13.360 --> 56:15.640]  Yes, they have the list.
[56:15.640 --> 56:22.480]  They don't want you to see it because if they don't want a presentment to go to the grand
[56:22.480 --> 56:25.760]  jury, they don't give it to the grand jury.
[56:25.760 --> 56:31.480]  But now you came in and stepped on them and insisted that they give it to the grand jury
[56:31.480 --> 56:33.880]  whether they want to or not.
[56:33.880 --> 56:41.840]  And now you're getting into their territory that they may actually have to do what the
[56:41.840 --> 56:45.480]  law commands them to, and they would hate that.
[56:45.480 --> 56:48.280]  So I've had this before.
[56:48.280 --> 56:55.440]  I doubt that they so much have an objection to you seeing them.
[56:55.440 --> 57:00.760]  It's that they have an objection to them losing control.
[57:00.760 --> 57:02.560]  Probably that is the case.
[57:02.560 --> 57:12.440]  However, the assistant DA with whom we spoke seems to be kind of on our side, and I believe
[57:12.440 --> 57:14.960]  he really did deliver the documents.
[57:14.960 --> 57:19.520]  I'm relatively certain he did because they know I'm behind it.
[57:19.520 --> 57:23.680]  Well, they also know the individual that delivered them yesterday.
[57:23.680 --> 57:27.560]  Sally is friends with these people.
[57:27.560 --> 57:31.280]  She was the accused.
[57:31.280 --> 57:38.600]  What they know is that there's somebody behind this that very intimately understands the
[57:38.600 --> 57:42.320]  law concerning everything that's done.
[57:42.320 --> 57:48.000]  And they also know that this lousy jerk will file a criminal complaint on them in a heartbeat.
[57:48.000 --> 57:52.600]  And I think they understand that now too because they have my name as well because I've called
[57:52.600 --> 57:56.880]  and told them who I am and what I want to know.
[57:56.880 --> 57:58.880]  I know times I think they're...
[57:58.880 --> 57:59.880]  Figured it out.
[57:59.880 --> 58:00.880]  Good.
[58:00.880 --> 58:01.880]  Yeah.
[58:01.880 --> 58:04.320]  But I have one more question too.
[58:04.320 --> 58:06.320]  Okay, we're about to go to break.
[58:06.320 --> 58:08.320]  We will pick you up on the side.
[58:08.320 --> 58:09.320]  Yes.
[58:09.320 --> 58:10.320]  Stay on the line, Kathy.
[58:10.320 --> 58:11.320]  We're going to go to break.
[58:11.320 --> 58:15.200]  So the top of the hour here, callers, we have open phone lines.
[58:15.200 --> 58:19.280]  So if you'd like to call in, it's 512-646-1984.
[58:19.280 --> 58:24.600]  Again, that caller line is 512-646-1984.
[58:24.600 --> 58:28.000]  So you can call in, comment about the rainbow if you'd like or whatever else may happen
[58:28.000 --> 58:30.280]  to be on your mind this evening.
[58:30.280 --> 59:00.040]  We'll be right back.
[01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:07.400]  All right, chant down Babylon.
[01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.640]  It's what we're doing here.
[01:01:09.640 --> 01:01:11.400]  We're chanting them down.
[01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:16.920]  We're speaking out against the injustice and we're also speaking about remedies, what we're
[01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:21.920]  going to do about it, how we are going to stop the madness, all right?
[01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:26.560]  How we're going to take back control of our lives, our government, our nation.
[01:01:26.560 --> 01:01:28.160]  We are speaking right now with Kathy.
[01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:31.280]  We have a couple of other callers on the line, so we'll be getting to your calls as soon
[01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.280]  as we're done with Kathy.
[01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:33.280]  Okay, Kathy, go ahead.
[01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:34.280]  You said you had another question.
[01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:35.280]  Okay.
[01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:41.320]  The next question that came to my mind is, do we wait until we get an indictment to follow
[01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:46.160]  your lead and start leaning their bonds?
[01:01:46.160 --> 01:01:47.160]  Can we do that?
[01:01:47.160 --> 01:01:49.520]  Oh, the one has nothing to do with you.
[01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:50.520]  Yeah.
[01:01:50.520 --> 01:01:51.520]  You don't have to wait.
[01:01:51.520 --> 01:01:56.320]  In fact, you may want to do that right away before they wake up to the fact that you're
[01:01:56.320 --> 01:02:00.920]  actually going to go after them because the thing with the bonds and the bond leaning,
[01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.480]  one of the reasons why it's so effective, what these guys are doing is because the public
[01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.200]  servants don't take it seriously.
[01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:11.400]  And what happens is there's a process that you go through of filing certain paperwork
[01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:16.740]  and they have like 30 days notice and stuff like that to basically dispute your notice
[01:02:16.740 --> 01:02:17.740]  of lean.
[01:02:17.740 --> 01:02:23.480]  And if they don't dispute the notice of lean within 30 days and a few other things that
[01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:28.880]  they have to dispute within like 10 days, each paperwork has its own length of time,
[01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:33.600]  then it's considered a matter of law, a matter of public record, and they can't go back and
[01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:36.560]  challenge it after the fact and the lean is in effect.
[01:02:36.560 --> 01:02:40.920]  And so you probably want to do that right away before they get onto the fact that you're
[01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.640]  actually going to be really going after them because then if they don't dispute the lean,
[01:02:44.640 --> 01:02:47.560]  well then you win.
[01:02:47.560 --> 01:02:51.560]  This is sort of a poetic justice.
[01:02:51.560 --> 01:02:58.560]  If you don't exert your rights and demand your rights, you waive them.
[01:02:58.560 --> 01:03:01.560]  We put them in exactly the same position.
[01:03:01.560 --> 01:03:04.760]  That's fine.
[01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:12.200]  This lean that you'll be filing, if they challenged it, it would never stand up.
[01:03:12.200 --> 01:03:13.480]  The courts would throw it out.
[01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:19.280]  They're going to say, you can't claim that much, it's not founded, they'd throw it out.
[01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:26.440]  The problem is, these guys are not smart enough to challenge it in a timely and effective
[01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:27.440]  manner.
[01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.320]  So they waive the right to do so.
[01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.960]  It makes no difference how much the lean is.
[01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:36.760]  It makes no difference if the lean is not founded in law or anything else.
[01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:40.760]  Once they don't challenge it, they waive the right to do so and that's what we depend on.
[01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:41.760]  Okay.
[01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:46.480]  I think we need to pursue some of that because whatever you like, it doesn't matter if we
[01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:47.480]  get the lean or not.
[01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.560]  It would still cost them effort to fight it.
[01:03:52.560 --> 01:03:58.440]  When you start getting in their pockets and putting them at risk, now you've got their
[01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.440]  attention.
[01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:00.440]  Yeah.
[01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.680]  It looks to me like the thing with the lean is, the way Randy was explaining it to me
[01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:07.960]  last night, it would be very difficult to enforce the lean.
[01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:13.520]  But the reason that we do the leans is not necessarily to get financial compensation,
[01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:18.920]  but it's just another tool that we can use to stop these guys dead in their tracks.
[01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:27.520]  So that's why I'm going to be filing a civil suit as well as the leans because I'm probably
[01:04:27.520 --> 01:04:29.320]  never even going to try to enforce the lean.
[01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.840]  The thing is, the reason leans are so powerful is that they're like a ticking time bomb.
[01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:35.840]  They're just sitting there.
[01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:37.440]  You may not get any results from it immediately.
[01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:40.400]  In fact, you probably won't unless you try to force the issue.
[01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.480]  If you do, you probably won't go anywhere.
[01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.760]  But it's just sitting there.
[01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:51.340]  And they can't sell their property, they can't do anything until that lean is dealt with.
[01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:54.700]  It's constantly over their heads and it locks them down.
[01:04:54.700 --> 01:04:56.560]  So that's why the leans are so powerful.
[01:04:56.560 --> 01:05:02.160]  And if we actually want to get some money, then we sue in the civil court.
[01:05:02.160 --> 01:05:03.160]  Okay.
[01:05:03.160 --> 01:05:09.640]  Then I have some more homework to do and good luck with your leans too.
[01:05:09.640 --> 01:05:10.640]  Yes.
[01:05:10.640 --> 01:05:14.040]  So I have to look up to see if these guys even have personal bonds.
[01:05:14.040 --> 01:05:21.640]  I have a feeling they do because they're a special group of high level law enforcement
[01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:24.240]  officers and at the federal level.
[01:05:24.240 --> 01:05:28.760]  See most like police, municipal police and stuff, they don't have personal bonds that
[01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.320]  you can lean.
[01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:35.220]  The police department has like a bond that covers all of the officers.
[01:05:35.220 --> 01:05:39.740]  So you can't go after any individual officer's bonds.
[01:05:39.740 --> 01:05:45.080]  But I have a feeling with these guys, it's a different story because they are very special
[01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:47.460]  group of federal agents.
[01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:49.000]  So I'm going to be finding out.
[01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  That's great.
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.560]  And the only last thing, do you know why 90.1 is off the air?
[01:05:55.560 --> 01:06:02.040]  I do not, but I do know that the situation is being looked into right now.
[01:06:02.040 --> 01:06:03.040]  Okay.
[01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:06.760]  I was just hoping it wasn't because of the hate crimes bill.
[01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.800]  No, no, no, no, no.
[01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:16.920]  There's nothing, no, there's no, yeah, there's no government, no, it's nothing like that.
[01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:18.720]  It's technical, technical difficulties.
[01:06:18.720 --> 01:06:19.720]  It'll be taken care of soon.
[01:06:19.720 --> 01:06:20.720]  Okay.
[01:06:20.720 --> 01:06:21.720]  Well, thank you for the listening number too.
[01:06:21.720 --> 01:06:23.720]  I've been using that this evening.
[01:06:23.720 --> 01:06:24.720]  Yes.
[01:06:24.720 --> 01:06:30.760]  Listeners, if you want to listen, the listener line is 512-485-9010, if you can't get to
[01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:31.760]  computer.
[01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:32.760]  Okay.
[01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:33.960]  Thank you, Kathy.
[01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.280]  And good luck with your efforts as well.
[01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:37.280]  Thanks.
[01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:42.020]  Yes, I would like to comment about that.
[01:06:42.020 --> 01:06:49.580]  This is especially gratifying to me because I didn't do any of that.
[01:06:49.580 --> 01:06:52.160]  They did it all.
[01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:56.200]  They called me and asked me my opinion, I gave them my opinion, and then they went back
[01:06:56.200 --> 01:06:58.880]  and did that themselves.
[01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:02.160]  And that is most gratifying.
[01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:09.280]  That's why I'm here, because at least in this particular instance, I've recreated myself.
[01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.560]  So there's another one of us out there.
[01:07:11.560 --> 01:07:12.800]  It's happening everywhere, Randy.
[01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.840]  I mean, that's why we're doing this, the show's about solutions.
[01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.080]  And we're not just telling people to do things that we're not doing ourselves.
[01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:21.320]  We're walking the walk.
[01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.080]  We're teaching people to do what we do ourselves.
[01:07:24.080 --> 01:07:30.960]  So we're not just putting other people out on the limb without putting ourselves out
[01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.520]  on the limb, so to speak.
[01:07:32.520 --> 01:07:37.080]  And it's working and I have a lot of respect and confidence in the listeners and the callers
[01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:40.240]  because they are doing their homework and they're getting out there and doing these
[01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:43.200]  things and we're making a big difference.
[01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:49.280]  Speaking of it working, in Cherokee County, a lot of you know they're trying to arrest
[01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:50.280]  me.
[01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:52.520]  Well, I think that's what it is.
[01:07:52.520 --> 01:07:55.680]  Actually, they invited me to a party.
[01:07:55.680 --> 01:08:00.240]  And I think I was going to be the guest of honor.
[01:08:00.240 --> 01:08:02.160]  But I didn't go.
[01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:09.200]  I went to a Justice of the Peace in Denton County and we're going to hold our own little
[01:08:09.200 --> 01:08:11.320]  party.
[01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:16.240]  So I called the county attorney and told him that I apologize that I didn't show up for
[01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:21.320]  your little party, but to make up for it, we're going to have one of our own and you're
[01:08:21.320 --> 01:08:22.320]  invited.
[01:08:22.320 --> 01:08:27.040]  Well, he was not happy about that and ran right out and got another warrant against
[01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:28.040]  me.
[01:08:28.040 --> 01:08:34.000]  Well, I got that warrant with the first one we've talked about.
[01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:38.560]  It turns out I made a mistake.
[01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:40.720]  I have to confess.
[01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.360]  I went back and re-researched.
[01:08:44.360 --> 01:08:49.280]  They accused me of operating a investigating company without a license and I said it wasn't
[01:08:49.280 --> 01:08:50.280]  a crime.
[01:08:50.280 --> 01:08:52.200]  Well, actually it is.
[01:08:52.200 --> 01:08:57.040]  I had to go from 101 to 388 to find it.
[01:08:57.040 --> 01:09:00.280]  It was buried way down in there, but I found it.
[01:09:00.280 --> 01:09:04.860]  However, they didn't accuse me of doing anything at all.
[01:09:04.860 --> 01:09:07.200]  No facts in support of their allegation.
[01:09:07.200 --> 01:09:09.160]  They just said I did it.
[01:09:09.160 --> 01:09:15.320]  And I've got the case law that says that particular kind of complaint is void on its face.
[01:09:15.320 --> 01:09:16.320]  Okay.
[01:09:16.320 --> 01:09:21.080]  So they filed another one, a failure to appear.
[01:09:21.080 --> 01:09:24.760]  And I keep telling people, read the code.
[01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:28.560]  You don't know what you're charged with until you've read the code.
[01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.880]  So I followed my own advice.
[01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:36.140]  I opened the penal code to 3810 and read failure to appear.
[01:09:36.140 --> 01:09:44.080]  What failure to appear says is if you are arrested and released on bail and then fail
[01:09:44.080 --> 01:09:50.880]  to appear in accordance with your promise on release, then you're guilty of the crime
[01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.720]  of failure to appear.
[01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:57.320]  And these dodo heads don't even read their own law because you were never arrested and
[01:09:57.320 --> 01:10:00.100]  then subsequently released on bail.
[01:10:00.100 --> 01:10:05.320]  So you cannot possibly be guilty of the crime of failure to appear.
[01:10:05.320 --> 01:10:07.200]  Archaic minor technicality.
[01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:09.640]  Oh, it's a loophole, Randy.
[01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:15.700]  Gosh, you know, we're just trying to push some point about freedom, whatever.
[01:10:15.700 --> 01:10:19.560]  So what I did was call the court clerk.
[01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:24.480]  Court clerks, I almost never have problems with court clerks and they're always sweet
[01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:25.480]  and nice.
[01:10:25.480 --> 01:10:30.880]  And the court clerk in Cherokee County is just like the rest of the sweetest nicest people.
[01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.520]  They do everything they can to get along.
[01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.760]  I've had absolutely no difficulty from them.
[01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:44.640]  And I felt bad because the warrants against me were signed by a deputy court clerk.
[01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.520]  Well, here's the problem with that.
[01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:57.080]  After 2022, which I mentioned earlier, when the grand jury goes before the court and reads
[01:10:57.080 --> 01:11:04.280]  the fact of an indictment to the court, the clerk shall make minutes in the records of
[01:11:04.280 --> 01:11:07.680]  the court.
[01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:15.800]  Except if the person has not been arrested, in which case the clerk is is forbidden to
[01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:20.280]  reflect in the minutes of the court the indictment.
[01:11:20.280 --> 01:11:27.840]  What she's directed to do instead is prepare a capious warrant for the person's arrest.
[01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:33.560]  Once the person has been arrested, then she may make the notations in the minutes of the
[01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:34.560]  court.
[01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:40.360]  You see, the indictment doesn't happen until the person's been arrested.
[01:11:40.360 --> 01:11:49.600]  So in that particular case and that case only, a court clerk is allowed to issue a warrant
[01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:53.000]  by statute.
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:12:04.100]  In all other cases, the warrant must be issued by some magistrate, not a court clerk.
[01:12:04.100 --> 01:12:10.240]  And I explained to her this problem, that your deputy clerk who signed this warrant
[01:12:10.240 --> 01:12:21.700]  is not a judicial officer or a mayor, so has no authority to issue a warrant in this case.
[01:12:21.700 --> 01:12:28.020]  So therefore, the act of purporting to issue the warrant was an act of impersonating a
[01:12:28.020 --> 01:12:30.160]  public official.
[01:12:30.160 --> 01:12:32.000]  But I don't want to sneak up on you.
[01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.360]  I want you to know exactly what I'm doing and why I'm doing it the way I'm doing it.
[01:12:36.360 --> 01:12:46.000]  So what I'll do is I will send to you the FBI complaint that I'm preparing to send
[01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:54.560]  to the U.S. Attorney General in Washington, D.C., so that you can take it to your attorney
[01:12:54.560 --> 01:13:00.660]  and they'll have plenty of time to develop a proper and adequate defense for you.
[01:13:00.660 --> 01:13:04.120]  And oh, she appreciated that so much.
[01:13:04.120 --> 01:13:11.680]  However, I suspect that after she hung up the phone, she had a certain county attorney
[01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:17.600]  by the throat wanting to know what is going on.
[01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:18.600]  Yeah.
[01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.800]  And I just want to interject something real quick.
[01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.000]  Mark and Brian, we see you guys, Randy's almost done with his story and we're going to go
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.160]  to Mark next because Mark's a first time caller.
[01:13:27.160 --> 01:13:28.160]  Okay.
[01:13:28.160 --> 01:13:29.320]  So Randy, I just want to let them know that.
[01:13:29.320 --> 01:13:30.320]  So go ahead.
[01:13:30.320 --> 01:13:33.840]  I'll move a little more quickly then.
[01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:39.440]  I just heard I took a set of criminal complaints to Tom Whitlock.
[01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:45.380]  He is the head of the felony intake section, Denton County District Attorney's Office.
[01:13:45.380 --> 01:13:50.880]  When he first got into office, when the district new district attorney first got elected, I
[01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:51.880]  went and talked to him.
[01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.260]  I gave him my red habeas corpus.
[01:13:54.260 --> 01:13:58.000]  He read it and essentially agreed with everything in it.
[01:13:58.000 --> 01:13:59.480]  So we've talked a number of times.
[01:13:59.480 --> 01:14:05.360]  I once gave him criminal complaints against the district judge and got a bunch of complaints
[01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:08.340]  dropped against a friend of mine up there.
[01:14:08.340 --> 01:14:12.040]  So Tom Whitlock knows me real well.
[01:14:12.040 --> 01:14:19.040]  I took a set of criminal complaints to him and he understood what I was doing.
[01:14:19.040 --> 01:14:23.160]  That I really wasn't filing the complaints with him because I didn't sign them and I
[01:14:23.160 --> 01:14:24.160]  didn't notarize.
[01:14:24.160 --> 01:14:32.120]  So you're talking about concerning this particular case of Jackson County and filing complaints
[01:14:32.120 --> 01:14:37.800]  against the court clerk, deputy clerk for issuing a warrant and stuff like that.
[01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:38.800]  Okay.
[01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:39.800]  Here's the complaints.
[01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.920]  This is why it's really good to study the details.
[01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.360]  The devil's in the details.
[01:14:46.360 --> 01:14:52.520]  I filed aggravated perjury against the guy who issued the original complaint.
[01:14:52.520 --> 01:15:00.040]  I filed subordination of perjury against the county attorney.
[01:15:00.040 --> 01:15:07.400]  Simulating a legal process, well, okay.
[01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:10.800]  Subordination of perjury against the county attorney, the district, the county judge who
[01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:20.760]  issued the warrant, I filed conspiracy to commit, perjury, subordination of perjury,
[01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:26.960]  tampering with a witness 3605, obstruction of justice 3606.
[01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:33.200]  Against the court clerk, I charged impersonating a public official.
[01:15:33.200 --> 01:15:42.320]  Against the county judge's clerk who sent me a notice to appear, I filed simulating
[01:15:42.320 --> 01:15:45.040]  a legal process.
[01:15:45.040 --> 01:15:52.200]  I back filed against everybody for everything, charging them all with conspiracy to commit
[01:15:52.200 --> 01:15:58.860]  and therefore they're all criminally culpable for all of the acts of all of the other actors.
[01:15:58.860 --> 01:16:03.520]  So that's quite a stack of complaints there.
[01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:10.360]  I give all of these to the district attorney in Denton County and I have no doubt that
[01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:15.200]  he talked to these people in Cherokee County.
[01:16:15.200 --> 01:16:20.460]  Now all of a sudden things are getting out of hand on them and I suspect that's why the
[01:16:20.460 --> 01:16:27.560]  last information I got is my examining trials not going to happen because they're going
[01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:29.440]  to dismiss the charges first.
[01:16:29.440 --> 01:16:31.320]  They're dropping all the charges.
[01:16:31.320 --> 01:16:32.320]  Good job.
[01:16:32.320 --> 01:16:33.980]  It hasn't happened yet.
[01:16:33.980 --> 01:16:35.400]  Good job, Randy.
[01:16:35.400 --> 01:16:36.400]  Good job.
[01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:41.560]  Listen, callers, we're going to go directly to your calls on the other side.
[01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:42.560]  Mark from Wisconsin is up next.
[01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:43.560]  He's a first-time caller.
[01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:47.100]  He just told me he's been listening to us for a long time, so I want to hear what Mark
[01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:48.100]  has to say.
[01:16:48.100 --> 01:16:49.640]  Then we're going to go to Brian and then Mike.
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[01:18:23.200 --> 01:18:34.640]  I was blindsided but now I can see your plan You put the fear in my pockets, took the money
[01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.640]  from my hand Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick
[01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:39.640]  again.
[01:18:39.640 --> 01:19:03.200]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old sucker punch
[01:19:03.200 --> 01:19:08.400]  I get it now but then I must have been too much
[01:19:08.400 --> 01:19:13.160]  Back then you had room to move but now you're feeling the grudge
[01:19:13.160 --> 01:19:25.200]  Ain't gonna get me with that same old sucker punch
[01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:26.200]  All right.
[01:19:26.200 --> 01:19:30.000]  Ain't gonna fool us with the same old tricks again.
[01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.600]  Some three-shoes posse for you there.
[01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:38.800]  Actually, that was pretty much done by all of it by my husband Jerry Stevens, so actually
[01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.080]  that's more of a Jerry Stevens solo project there.
[01:19:42.080 --> 01:19:43.080]  Okay.
[01:19:43.080 --> 01:19:46.760]  We are going to go now to Mark in Wisconsin, first-time caller.
[01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:48.520]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:49.520]  Thanks for listening.
[01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:50.520]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:51.520]  Thanks Deborah and Randy.
[01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:58.640]  I enjoy listening to you guys as many times a week as I can when you're on, trying to
[01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:06.520]  learn as much about doing my due diligence, trying to, you know, figure out how to solve
[01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:11.760]  a problem that I've been fighting for quite a while which is going through a foreclosure
[01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:17.520]  and I worked with a gentleman out of Kansas City, Missouri who and many others that one
[01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:23.200]  that particular was on your show and that I won't mention his name but I worked with
[01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:31.080]  another man out of Kansas City, Denny Harden and he's got a system that uses his own private
[01:20:31.080 --> 01:20:39.560]  bank and we've done a bonded promissory note and I guess it seems like all the things that
[01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:46.560]  we've done and we've done just numerous things with affidavits, judicial notices, serving
[01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:55.720]  the judge, serving the attorney of the corporation that is a foreign, you know, body which we
[01:20:55.720 --> 01:21:02.600]  all know and I've done so many different things to try to get this monkey off my back.
[01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:07.640]  I was just trying to get some input from yourself and Randy that could help me in understanding
[01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:11.520]  because from some of the shows that I've listened to I know they were doing some things
[01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:20.120]  on a similar basis with some different steps that they've taken in the, I don't know.
[01:21:20.120 --> 01:21:24.200]  Have you gone after the original note yet trying to find out, make them produce the
[01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:26.320]  original note?
[01:21:26.320 --> 01:21:31.600]  We've done basically, first of all I just called in for a payout in March and they gave
[01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:38.280]  me the payout and then we processes, I didn't process it but Denny did and did the promissory
[01:21:38.280 --> 01:21:43.120]  note, the bonded promissory note for the total amount which is considered legal tender of
[01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:47.480]  course, they returned it and they returned it three times and then...
[01:21:47.480 --> 01:21:48.480]  That's not what I meant.
[01:21:48.480 --> 01:21:56.680]  I'm asking if you have tried to force them to procure the original mortgage note, the
[01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:04.920]  wedding signature mortgage note, have you tried to either through discovery or other
[01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.080]  means tried to make them produce that?
[01:22:07.080 --> 01:22:12.960]  Well, we wanted, I'm in a judicial state so we did try to get my day in court which I
[01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:13.960]  have never gotten.
[01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:23.280]  I got an order of writ that the judge finally signed, they had a share sale on my property.
[01:22:23.280 --> 01:22:28.080]  There is an issue, something you need to do here.
[01:22:28.080 --> 01:22:37.720]  If they don't have that wedding signature note, they don't have standing to invoke
[01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:40.160]  the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[01:22:40.160 --> 01:22:41.160]  Right.
[01:22:41.160 --> 01:22:44.440]  You have to get this in mind how it works.
[01:22:44.440 --> 01:22:51.960]  You got a judge sitting here and this judge is absolutely protected, it's like he's got
[01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:58.880]  this legal fortress around him except there's one door.
[01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:05.480]  There's a door that the petitioner has to open and step through.
[01:23:05.480 --> 01:23:14.760]  While that door is open, the judge is vulnerable because he has to look at the petition from
[01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:24.640]  the petitioner and determine if it is sufficient to invoke his subject matter jurisdiction
[01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:32.920]  because if he attempts to exert any jurisdiction and the petitioner has not established sufficient
[01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:39.680]  standing to invoke subject matter jurisdiction, the judge is vulnerable.
[01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:47.960]  The only way the petitioner can establish standing is a wedding signature note.
[01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:54.720]  A photocopy of the wedding signature note is evidence that a wedding signature note
[01:23:54.720 --> 01:24:00.640]  exists, but it is not the wedding signature note.
[01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:02.160]  Right.
[01:24:02.160 --> 01:24:06.280]  They must produce the real deal.
[01:24:06.280 --> 01:24:10.800]  It cannot be proven out of the mouth of the agent, it must be proved out of the mouth
[01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.720]  of the principal.
[01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:17.640]  The principal is the one holding the wedding signature note.
[01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:23.680]  That needs to be the first thing you do and since you've already adjudicated, a lot of
[01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:29.760]  people say, well, if you do anything before the court, you give them jurisdiction.
[01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.520]  Not true.
[01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:37.500]  If you respond to the court, you waive in personum jurisdiction.
[01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:41.880]  Subject matter jurisdiction can never be waived.
[01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:46.760]  If the judge never had the authority, he never ever gets it.
[01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:47.760]  Period.
[01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:50.600]  No matter what you do, you can't give it to him.
[01:24:50.600 --> 01:25:01.840]  So two things I suggest you do, get a forensic analysis of your loan papers.
[01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:06.240]  You will find fraud on top of fraud on top of fraud.
[01:25:06.240 --> 01:25:15.240]  I'm not saying don't do any of the commercial processes, but the courts tend to do commercial
[01:25:15.240 --> 01:25:16.360]  processes.
[01:25:16.360 --> 01:25:23.120]  What they don't ignore is their own law, the law they use every day.
[01:25:23.120 --> 01:25:30.120]  You get a forensic analysis of it and I've got someone who can do that for you.
[01:25:30.120 --> 01:25:35.400]  She ran executive vice president of a savings and loan for 25 years and she'll tell you
[01:25:35.400 --> 01:25:37.760]  every one of them is bogus.
[01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:39.920]  Every one of them is fraud.
[01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:45.920]  We always suspected that and we asked them that we would wish to have our day in court
[01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.120]  because I am in a judicial state.
[01:25:48.120 --> 01:25:54.160]  We did so many different steps on judicial notices to the sheriff of the county, to the
[01:25:54.160 --> 01:25:55.160]  bank.
[01:25:55.160 --> 01:25:58.040]  There's a more direct way.
[01:25:58.040 --> 01:26:06.680]  We first get a forensic analysis of the note and then file a challenge to the jurisdiction.
[01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:13.280]  What you need to do is brief out subject matter jurisdiction in this case.
[01:26:13.280 --> 01:26:21.840]  We just had an email from about a judge in Florida just throughout 15,000 cases for irregularities.
[01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:32.600]  Ohio, 70 cases, the court threw them out because the lender could not produce the wet ink signature
[01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:40.200]  note throughout 70 cases with orders, do not come back to my court without the wet ink
[01:26:40.200 --> 01:26:43.000]  signature note or I will throw you out.
[01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:50.200]  Yeah, and Mark, you can also initiate a counter suit as a plaintiff, sue the bank.
[01:26:50.200 --> 01:26:53.920]  You might want to call into agenda 21 talk tomorrow night.
[01:26:53.920 --> 01:27:00.920]  They're on it from six to eight and Mike Hussain Holloway, he's taken on Chase Bank.
[01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:08.440]  They were illegally foreclosing against his property and he's going pro se against 43
[01:27:08.440 --> 01:27:10.640]  attorneys and he stopped them dead in their tracks.
[01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:13.040]  Yeah, I know I was laughing when I heard that one.
[01:27:13.040 --> 01:27:17.320]  That was really a great little story he was doing there.
[01:27:17.320 --> 01:27:23.560]  You know, the thing is, is now I have been threatened and of course I've been tried
[01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:27.640]  to be intimidated, of course, as you're probably well aware of, and they put an eviction notice
[01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:32.240]  on my home and the door and it seemed like every time my wife left, even for 15 minutes,
[01:27:32.240 --> 01:27:38.120]  all of a sudden that eviction notice would appear on my door two times that we were both
[01:27:38.120 --> 01:27:41.720]  there and my wife is always home.
[01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:47.120]  But anyway, we ended up being because we were threatened by the officer, the civil officer
[01:27:47.120 --> 01:27:56.640]  who does the evictions had said if you are not off the premises on 618 of 09 by 8 a.m.,
[01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:57.640]  we will be there.
[01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:04.160]  We will remove you at your expense and, you know, basically all the paperwork that I did
[01:28:04.160 --> 01:28:09.360]  and I thought we were doing it 100% right online and on target and doing everything
[01:28:09.360 --> 01:28:15.560]  within the USC codes and statutes, but they just seemed like they were not even paying
[01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:19.000]  attention to it because even the officer didn't tell me, he says, I'm sick of you sending
[01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:20.680]  me all this paperwork, you know.
[01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:22.000]  Did you have an eviction hearing?
[01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:23.000]  No, none, zero.
[01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:24.000]  I know.
[01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:27.640]  That's what I'm saying, I'm in a judicial state and they wouldn't give me even my day
[01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:28.640]  in court.
[01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:29.640]  Huh, okay.
[01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:39.320]  Okay, what you need to do is stop defending yourself and go after these guys.
[01:28:39.320 --> 01:28:46.240]  You have lots of tools to go after your public officials for not following law, right?
[01:28:46.240 --> 01:28:48.880]  We need to need this examined good needs.
[01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:53.000]  Have you written a narrative?
[01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:54.460]  What was that, Randy?
[01:28:54.460 --> 01:29:00.320]  Have you written out a narrative, a step-by-step of everything that's happened?
[01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:01.320]  Pretty much, yeah.
[01:29:01.320 --> 01:29:07.120]  I have everything documented and with the help of somebody who I, as an agent that was
[01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:12.000]  representing me as far as, not an attorney now, but I'm talking about the guy that wrote
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:16.760]  the promissory note, he's done a pretty incredible job.
[01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:25.120]  He's very knowledgeable of the laws and he's really done everything to exact, you know,
[01:29:25.120 --> 01:29:30.880]  the complaints and the racketeering activities and we've served every person that's involved
[01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:31.880]  in this.
[01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.160]  What have you done to enforce those laws?
[01:29:34.160 --> 01:29:35.160]  Pardon?
[01:29:35.160 --> 01:29:39.360]  What have you done to enforce the laws?
[01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:47.280]  I guess right at this point, not because I had treatment and they just gave me the Italian
[01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:48.280]  salute.
[01:29:48.280 --> 01:29:51.040]  Okay, this is what we do.
[01:29:51.040 --> 01:29:59.520]  When I go into court, I expect the court not to follow law and that's okay because I want
[01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:00.760]  him not to.
[01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:07.800]  The first thing I want to do is land on the judge with both feet for not following law.
[01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:11.660]  You're the most minor thing I can find.
[01:30:11.660 --> 01:30:17.240]  This lets the judge know every teeny tiniest little infraction you make, you're going to
[01:30:17.240 --> 01:30:19.760]  get a judicial conduct complaint.
[01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.680]  You're going to get criminal complaints.
[01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:24.360]  You're going to get me all over you.
[01:30:24.360 --> 01:30:31.560]  You're likely to get a claim filed against your bonding company and if it goes to subject
[01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:39.720]  matter jurisdiction, I'm going to do my best to get you thrown in jail and sue you personally.
[01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:41.120]  This is how we do it.
[01:30:41.120 --> 01:30:45.960]  We go after the judge, we go after the attorneys, go after everybody.
[01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:50.120]  They're coming after you and all you're doing is defending yourself.
[01:30:50.120 --> 01:30:57.640]  Well, we started shaking the books a lot and doing a lot of things.
[01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:03.560]  It just seems like the lack of getting any response other than they saying if you don't
[01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:09.720]  stop the harassment, we're going to sue you and yet we're the ones that were being denied
[01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:10.720]  our rights.
[01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:11.720]  Yeah.
[01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:12.720]  No, wait a minute.
[01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:13.920]  We have two hats here.
[01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:18.320]  You need to take off your litigant's hat and put on your sovereign's hat.
[01:31:18.320 --> 01:31:22.280]  These guys are violating law.
[01:31:22.280 --> 01:31:23.960]  That's a whole separate issue.
[01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:27.800]  Yeah, you have a cause of action for fraud.
[01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:28.800]  Absolutely.
[01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:35.000]  I agree with that and that's some of the things Denny made in all of the conspiracy rights
[01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:40.160]  and the court must take judicial notice of the lack of jurisdiction of the subject matter
[01:31:40.160 --> 01:31:41.160]  without a claim.
[01:31:41.160 --> 01:31:47.280]  If you've challenged jurisdiction and the court hasn't proven jurisdiction, sue the
[01:31:47.280 --> 01:31:49.280]  court.
[01:31:49.280 --> 01:31:50.800]  That's what I look for.
[01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.220]  Let me find a judge without subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:31:54.220 --> 01:31:58.040]  I'm going to file suit against that judge personally.
[01:31:58.040 --> 01:32:01.480]  Now you've got their attention.
[01:32:01.480 --> 01:32:06.920]  Let an attorney on the other side violate a canon of ethics.
[01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:08.760]  He gets a bar grievance.
[01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:10.200]  That'll get his attention.
[01:32:10.200 --> 01:32:11.200]  Right.
[01:32:11.200 --> 01:32:12.200]  Yeah.
[01:32:12.200 --> 01:32:19.040]  And listen, Mark, we are getting a lot of callers stacking up and we really need to
[01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:21.600]  spend a lot more time on your situation.
[01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:23.160]  Can you please call back in tomorrow night?
[01:32:23.160 --> 01:32:29.120]  And I would also recommend calling into agenda 21, the show before hours, because Mike Hussein
[01:32:29.120 --> 01:32:33.480]  Holloway can give you some tips on, you know, from experience on what he's doing with his
[01:32:33.480 --> 01:32:34.480]  situation.
[01:32:34.480 --> 01:32:35.480]  Right.
[01:32:35.480 --> 01:32:36.480]  Right.
[01:32:36.480 --> 01:32:37.480]  Yeah.
[01:32:37.480 --> 01:32:38.480]  I listened to their show too.
[01:32:38.480 --> 01:32:39.480]  Okay.
[01:32:39.480 --> 01:32:40.480]  They do a great job there.
[01:32:40.480 --> 01:32:44.520]  So I just wanted to get Randy's intake on this whole thing and what next things I could
[01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:45.520]  do.
[01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:52.200]  Is there any way that I could have any kind of a correspondence between you and I in terms
[01:32:52.200 --> 01:32:53.200]  of sending you?
[01:32:53.200 --> 01:32:54.200]  Yes.
[01:32:54.200 --> 01:32:55.200]  My email address is on the website.
[01:32:55.200 --> 01:32:56.200]  It is.
[01:32:56.200 --> 01:32:57.200]  Okay.
[01:32:57.200 --> 01:33:05.760]  Just send me an email with a synopsis and I'll look at it and make some suggestions.
[01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:06.760]  That'd be great.
[01:33:06.760 --> 01:33:07.760]  That'd be great.
[01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:13.400]  Anything you can do or give me recommendations, I'd certainly need to get some ammo and get
[01:33:13.400 --> 01:33:16.240]  this thing revenue because we are not in our home at this time.
[01:33:16.240 --> 01:33:21.320]  My wife was escorted off the property the other day and so we're not able to even live
[01:33:21.320 --> 01:33:22.320]  at the home.
[01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:23.320]  Okay.
[01:33:23.320 --> 01:33:25.480]  Now the harm is done.
[01:33:25.480 --> 01:33:28.200]  Now the big suit can come into effect.
[01:33:28.200 --> 01:33:29.200]  Right.
[01:33:29.200 --> 01:33:32.440]  Now they really for our life.
[01:33:32.440 --> 01:33:33.440]  We need to move ahead.
[01:33:33.440 --> 01:33:35.720]  Send me an email with a synopsis.
[01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:36.720]  I will do that, Randy.
[01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:37.720]  Thank you very much.
[01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:40.880]  And you, Deborah, I appreciate everything you guys are doing out there.
[01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:41.880]  Okay.
[01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:42.880]  Thank you.
[01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:43.880]  Thank you.
[01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:44.880]  Thanks, Mark.
[01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:45.880]  Good night.
[01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:46.880]  Okay.
[01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:47.880]  Callers are really starting to stack up.
[01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.760]  So let's try to be respectful of each other.
[01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:52.000]  Okay.
[01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:53.000]  We've got...
[01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:55.640]  Does that mean no ethnic jokes?
[01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:00.320]  We've got Brian, Mike, Wendy, John, and a couple of others.
[01:34:00.320 --> 01:34:05.240]  So I want to take the calls in order they were received, but we only have about 20 minutes
[01:34:05.240 --> 01:34:06.240]  left.
[01:34:06.240 --> 01:34:07.680]  So callers, let's try to be respectful of each other.
[01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:08.680]  Let's go to Brian next.
[01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:09.920]  Brian, thanks for calling in.
[01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:10.920]  What's on your mind?
[01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:15.480]  All right, I'll do my best to think, Dave, let me first start off with a little laugh
[01:34:15.480 --> 01:34:17.160]  I think you guys will have.
[01:34:17.160 --> 01:34:18.680]  I made a cool new t-shirt today.
[01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:20.680]  Want to hear it?
[01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:21.680]  Yes.
[01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:22.680]  Democracy sucks.
[01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:23.680]  Okay.
[01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:30.880]  I think I'm going to get people to really think, because I already got a couple of good
[01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:31.880]  looks.
[01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:32.880]  Like, what is...
[01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:33.880]  What?
[01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:36.280]  Well, it does, because democracy means mob rule.
[01:34:36.280 --> 01:34:42.280]  The definition of democracy is that 51% of the people can take away the life, liberty,
[01:34:42.280 --> 01:34:45.440]  and property of the other 49%.
[01:34:45.440 --> 01:34:47.360]  We do not have a democracy.
[01:34:47.360 --> 01:34:52.360]  It's a constitutional republic set up to protect individual life, liberty, and property.
[01:34:52.360 --> 01:34:56.000]  So yeah, democracy is not such a good thing, people.
[01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:58.720]  But what we do have is a democratically...
[01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:03.480]  We democratically elect representatives in our republic, but it's not a democracy.
[01:35:03.480 --> 01:35:05.640]  So yeah, go ahead, Brian.
[01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:10.600]  The last caller sounded like he's in somewhat of a similar situation as me, and he might
[01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:12.600]  be able to benefit from...
[01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:19.480]  I downloaded a good few documents last night from, what is it, Scribd.com, Scribd, whatever.
[01:35:19.480 --> 01:35:21.640]  Maybe you've heard of it.
[01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:27.520]  People download essays and, you know, short stories you can read and download.
[01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:32.920]  Could I rattle them off, because I could go there and you guys could check them out too.
[01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:33.920]  Okay.
[01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:34.920]  I haven't heard of it.
[01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:36.840]  Can you send me an email on it?
[01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:39.640]  I could, but if I could say it on the air, I think it'd be cool too.
[01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:40.640]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.680]  Give us a few quickly so that we can move to the rest of the callers.
[01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:44.680]  Yep.
[01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:47.880]  It's Scribd.com is the source that you can go to.
[01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:54.120]  One of them that was really good is Modern Money Mechanics and Two Faces of Debt, both
[01:35:54.120 --> 01:35:58.600]  printed by the Federal Reserve of Chicago.
[01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:02.280]  Another one is How to Stop Foreclosure on Your Property.
[01:36:02.280 --> 01:36:10.480]  And another one I really liked was a Nexus Between Territorial Jurisdiction and Cause
[01:36:10.480 --> 01:36:15.680]  of Action, or vice versa, Cause of Action and Territorial Jurisdiction.
[01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:16.680]  Okay.
[01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.320]  So that's that.
[01:36:18.320 --> 01:36:26.480]  I also wanted to ask Randy, or Deborah, you two, if you could go into a couple things
[01:36:26.480 --> 01:36:29.960]  if you find yourself having time.
[01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.400]  One of those is preparing a memorandum.
[01:36:32.400 --> 01:36:36.920]  I know that's a big one, but if I could maybe get a general overview, or maybe I could get
[01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:41.240]  a heads up to email for some other tutorials that I've already read, but maybe get a better
[01:36:41.240 --> 01:36:45.720]  grasp on what you guys would suggest of preparing a memorandum properly.
[01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:46.720]  Okay.
[01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:47.720]  Cool?
[01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:48.720]  Okay.
[01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:54.480]  And then I wanted to know also, I was reading a rule of court, and it just clicked off my
[01:36:54.480 --> 01:37:00.280]  screen, it's no longer there, I'm sorry, but it had to do with the difference between
[01:37:00.280 --> 01:37:06.560]  equity, assumption, and trespass, or it made it sound like there was a difference, and
[01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:13.720]  I wanted to know those three terms and understand those better.
[01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.920]  Okay.
[01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:19.480]  I know that's going to take a little bit longer than you have, but...
[01:37:19.480 --> 01:37:23.240]  Yeah, we might be able to do more tomorrow night.
[01:37:23.240 --> 01:37:29.880]  But this sounds like something that I need to, once I've been through the narrative,
[01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:35.720]  then I've got a good idea of what's going on, then I can give some more constructive
[01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:36.720]  advice.
[01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:37.720]  Right.
[01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:42.240]  Well, I was just speaking about in general, rules of thumb that you go by when preparing
[01:37:42.240 --> 01:37:43.240]  a memorandum.
[01:37:43.240 --> 01:37:48.440]  Well, yeah, okay, a memorandum of law is essentially a brief.
[01:37:48.440 --> 01:37:52.920]  Yeah, and I imagine it can be pretty free-form because there's no rules to it.
[01:37:52.920 --> 01:38:00.880]  I tell you what, give me a subject, I'll go onto Lexus and pull down some briefs on the
[01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:02.960]  subject and send them to you.
[01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:03.960]  Okay.
[01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:07.480]  That'll give you a good idea of how they're put together, how they...
[01:38:07.480 --> 01:38:12.320]  There's a structure to how they put together briefs, and then how they make their arguments.
[01:38:12.320 --> 01:38:17.520]  Well, I kind of figured it would correspond with my motion and the objections that I raised
[01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:21.120]  in order, and kind of coherently, you know?
[01:38:21.120 --> 01:38:26.200]  Give me just a few of the legal points surrounding your motion.
[01:38:26.200 --> 01:38:28.520]  I'll run it on Lexus, see if I can find some briefs.
[01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:29.520]  All right.
[01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:30.520]  I'll email later.
[01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.880]  I'll let you guys get onto other calls, but I'm really excited too about hearing you guys
[01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:39.800]  one day say that you're going to have an hour at a time guest hosted to talk about jurisdiction.
[01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:40.800]  Huge.
[01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:41.800]  Huge.
[01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:42.800]  Good stuff.
[01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:43.800]  Yes.
[01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:44.800]  Property rights and jurisdiction.
[01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:45.800]  Awesome.
[01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:46.800]  Okay.
[01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:47.800]  All right.
[01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:48.800]  Thank you very much for calling in Brian.
[01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:49.800]  Yep.
[01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:50.800]  Okay.
[01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:51.800]  All right.
[01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:52.800]  All right.
[01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:53.800]  We are going to go now to Mike in Texas.
[01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:54.800]  Hey.
[01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:55.800]  How y'all doing?
[01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:56.800]  Hey, Mike.
[01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:57.800]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:38:57.800 --> 01:38:58.800]  What's on your mind?
[01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:01.680]  First, what happened in 90.1 in Austin.
[01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:09.320]  It's been off the air since Oklahoma City last night, and second of all, I would like
[01:39:09.320 --> 01:39:10.320]  to find...
[01:39:10.320 --> 01:39:16.640]  I don't have a computer, but I need to talk to somebody about a forensic analysis on my
[01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:23.320]  mortgage and if there... do you have a contact here in Austin that I could talk to?
[01:39:23.320 --> 01:39:26.680]  Send Randy an email because he's got somebody that can do those things.
[01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:27.680]  I don't have...
[01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:28.680]  Call me at...
[01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:32.760]  I might as well give it out.
[01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:34.400]  It's on the website anyway.
[01:39:34.400 --> 01:39:37.400]  My number is 940-399-9922.
[01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:38.400]  9922.
[01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:39.400]  Okay.
[01:39:39.400 --> 01:39:48.000]  And is 90.1 going to be off the air for a while?
[01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:49.000]  Okay.
[01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:50.000]  Yeah.
[01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:51.000]  And let me make a comment about that.
[01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:54.520]  I run a radio network, okay?
[01:39:54.520 --> 01:40:07.160]  We, Randy and I formed a radio network like GCN or RBN, okay, or NBC, okay?
[01:40:07.160 --> 01:40:14.020]  We have nothing to do whatsoever with any of the AM or FM affiliates that carry the
[01:40:14.020 --> 01:40:15.800]  stream that I produce.
[01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:16.800]  Okay.
[01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:18.120]  See, I produce shows.
[01:40:18.120 --> 01:40:22.440]  I produce this show and the other shows on Rule of Law Radio Network.
[01:40:22.440 --> 01:40:28.520]  I produce an audio stream that streams from the website on the internet, and we have affiliates,
[01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:35.740]  AM and FM stations that other people run that choose to carry our programming because they
[01:40:35.740 --> 01:40:41.320]  like it, and I have nothing to do with 90.1 whatsoever at all, okay?
[01:40:41.320 --> 01:40:43.800]  We are not associated with any of those affiliates.
[01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:45.960]  They are our affiliates and they carry our stream.
[01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:52.520]  I have happened to have heard through the grapevine that 90.1 is having technical issues and that
[01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:54.600]  they will be back on the air soon, and that's all I know.
[01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:58.440]  But I just want to make that clear to all the listeners that this is not 90.1.
[01:40:58.440 --> 01:40:59.760]  I don't run 90.1.
[01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.320]  I have nothing to do with any of the AM or FM stations that are our affiliates.
[01:41:03.320 --> 01:41:04.320]  I run a radio network.
[01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:05.320]  Okay.
[01:41:05.320 --> 01:41:11.280]  We had a high-level public official who wouldn't come on our show because of an affiliate that
[01:41:11.280 --> 01:41:14.160]  was broadcasting he thought we were associated with.
[01:41:14.160 --> 01:41:15.160]  Right.
[01:41:15.160 --> 01:41:20.320]  And we're not, we are not, this is not, you may be hearing us on 90.1, well, not right
[01:41:20.320 --> 01:41:23.280]  now if it's down, but this is not 90.1, okay?
[01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:28.320]  This is Rule of Law Radio Network, just like the GCN Network, you know, is the home network
[01:41:28.320 --> 01:41:32.040]  for Alex Jones and, you know, RBN host shows.
[01:41:32.040 --> 01:41:34.800]  We have our own network, so that's what's going on here.
[01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:35.800]  One more question.
[01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:37.480]  What's your listener line number again?
[01:41:37.480 --> 01:41:45.440]  The listener line is 512-485-9010, and we really need to move on to get to the rest
[01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:46.440]  of the callers before the end of the show.
[01:41:46.440 --> 01:41:47.440]  All right.
[01:41:47.440 --> 01:41:48.440]  God bless you guys.
[01:41:48.440 --> 01:41:49.440]  Okay.
[01:41:49.440 --> 01:41:50.440]  Thank you, Mike.
[01:41:50.440 --> 01:41:51.440]  Right.
[01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:52.440]  Okay.
[01:41:52.440 --> 01:41:53.440]  We're going to go now to Wendy in Tennessee.
[01:41:53.440 --> 01:41:54.440]  Hey, Wendy.
[01:41:54.440 --> 01:41:55.440]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:41:55.440 --> 01:41:56.440]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:41:56.440 --> 01:41:57.440]  Hey, Debra.
[01:41:57.440 --> 01:42:01.440]  If there's any more callers behind me, you can take down my story, Lincey.
[01:42:01.440 --> 01:42:03.680]  I was just going to talk about my friends.
[01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:05.960]  Well, go ahead.
[01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:09.520]  We have about 15 minutes left, so we only have two other callers after you.
[01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:10.520]  So go ahead, Wendy.
[01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:11.520]  You are next.
[01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:12.520]  Okay.
[01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:15.640]  About 12.05 yesterday, I received a call from my friend, Buddy.
[01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:21.640]  He told me he said, Blount County Sheriff's is here, and they removed his belongings.
[01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:23.640]  They had a specific list.
[01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:31.720]  I have a power of attorney, so later on, while they were still moving his stuff, I had talked
[01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:34.920]  to the officer on the phone, told him to leave immediately.
[01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:36.560]  He was trespassing.
[01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:41.600]  That was private property, and I later went down and I told him, I said, I'm ordering
[01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:42.600]  you to leave.
[01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:43.600]  This is private property.
[01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:45.120]  I have power of attorney.
[01:42:45.120 --> 01:42:50.160]  Here's my copy of my power of attorney, and he said, I don't need to see that.
[01:42:50.160 --> 01:42:51.160]  We have a court order.
[01:42:51.160 --> 01:42:53.360]  I said, I need to see the court order now.
[01:42:53.360 --> 01:42:55.200]  He said, I don't have it.
[01:42:55.200 --> 01:43:00.200]  You can go up there to the Register of Deeds office, and I said, you should have one with
[01:43:00.200 --> 01:43:02.080]  you right now.
[01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:03.960]  He said, this property has been sold.
[01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:10.040]  I said, I have no clarification or anything that any property has been sold where it's
[01:43:10.040 --> 01:43:11.040]  a deed.
[01:43:11.040 --> 01:43:17.960]  He says, up there in the Register's office, I said, who signed the property over?
[01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:24.920]  No one has power of attorney but me, and he said, the sheriff did.
[01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:31.560]  I said, where did he get his authority to sign over property that he did not own?
[01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:33.240]  He said, he signed it.
[01:43:33.240 --> 01:43:34.680]  I said, he does not have the authority.
[01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:37.680]  I have power of attorney.
[01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:44.320]  Anyway, I talked to him later, and where my husband was arrested for contempt, he's the
[01:43:44.320 --> 01:43:52.920]  same officer who served papers earlier on that, of a new court date, and then they arrested
[01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:58.440]  my husband for contempt of court, and I said, and you're the jackrabbit who came out there,
[01:43:58.440 --> 01:44:00.760]  and you said that the court date's been changed.
[01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:03.400]  He said, you know, I was wondering about that myself.
[01:44:03.400 --> 01:44:05.680]  I looked at my friend, I said, you're a witness?
[01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:06.680]  You're a witness?
[01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:09.680]  You heard what he said?
[01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:13.280]  But anyway, I was going into it further.
[01:44:13.280 --> 01:44:16.560]  There's things I need to do with this case.
[01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:26.720]  Of course, I know that they removed all his vintage cars and everything out of his home.
[01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:28.920]  My home.
[01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:32.160]  We don't know what went on and how the court got to this point.
[01:44:32.160 --> 01:44:38.720]  I remember that they had a lien against the property and were trying to sell it.
[01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:39.720]  Yes.
[01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:47.240]  Well, they actually, they said they had a judgment, but they never had a judgment.
[01:44:47.240 --> 01:44:50.480]  We've never seen any documentation to this fact.
[01:44:50.480 --> 01:44:53.320]  That's just hearsay what they have said.
[01:44:53.320 --> 01:44:59.320]  You know, he had done affidavit negative vehement, and they failed to answer, they defaulted
[01:44:59.320 --> 01:45:05.240]  on the claim, and I really believe this is retaliation for that.
[01:45:05.240 --> 01:45:11.760]  That would come under federal obstruction of justice, I would, well, there's a federal
[01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:14.280]  retaliation statute.
[01:45:14.280 --> 01:45:20.880]  Need to look at it in detail and see precisely where they stepped across the legal lines.
[01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:22.760]  We can't do this generally.
[01:45:22.760 --> 01:45:23.760]  Right.
[01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:32.320]  And I don't have enough detail to be able to comment on that.
[01:45:32.320 --> 01:45:34.800]  Maybe we should do this tomorrow night when we have more time.
[01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:35.800]  Okay.
[01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:43.000]  So we can bring everybody up to speed on how Buddy got to this position.
[01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:45.520]  And I need an update on where you're at anyway.
[01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.680]  Well, we have about 13 minutes left, and right now we only have one of the caller on the
[01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:50.680]  line.
[01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:55.400]  So Wendy, if you want to just hang there, I'll leave your mic open.
[01:45:55.400 --> 01:45:58.800]  I'll leave your line open so you can comment also.
[01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:03.160]  We can take John from Georgia, and then if we have time, and we should have time left
[01:46:03.160 --> 01:46:07.360]  after that, then we can go back to your situation and talk and give us your update.
[01:46:07.360 --> 01:46:08.360]  Is that okay, Wendy?
[01:46:08.360 --> 01:46:09.360]  Okay.
[01:46:09.360 --> 01:46:10.360]  All right.
[01:46:10.360 --> 01:46:11.360]  So just stay there.
[01:46:11.360 --> 01:46:13.400]  You're still live on the air with us.
[01:46:13.400 --> 01:46:15.840]  We're going to bring up John from Georgia.
[01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:16.840]  Thank you for calling in.
[01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:17.840]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:18.840]  Yes.
[01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:23.040]  I just got a real brief scenario that I use a lot of people don't understand bringing
[01:46:23.040 --> 01:46:24.040]  the original note in.
[01:46:24.040 --> 01:46:25.040]  Produce the original note.
[01:46:25.040 --> 01:46:26.040]  Hello?
[01:46:26.040 --> 01:46:27.040]  Yes.
[01:46:27.040 --> 01:46:28.040]  Go ahead.
[01:46:28.040 --> 01:46:29.040]  Okay.
[01:46:29.040 --> 01:46:33.960]  Produce the original note, and the scenario I use that makes it just as plain as they
[01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:38.280]  can understand it is, if somebody writes you a bad check, and you go to court, and you
[01:46:38.280 --> 01:46:43.000]  try to use a copy of that check to sue the person, it's not going to work.
[01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:45.240]  You have to produce the check that they wrote.
[01:46:45.240 --> 01:46:46.960]  So that's how simple it is.
[01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:47.960]  Right.
[01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:53.600]  I come down and buy a candy bar from you, and I want to give you a photocopy of a dollar
[01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:54.600]  bill.
[01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:55.600]  Right.
[01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:56.600]  Exactly.
[01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:57.600]  That's the same scenario.
[01:46:57.600 --> 01:47:01.240]  It's like if you want to present evidence against somebody, you have to present the
[01:47:01.240 --> 01:47:02.240]  evidence.
[01:47:02.240 --> 01:47:04.760]  You can't present a facsimile of evidence.
[01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:05.760]  Now, wait a minute.
[01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:08.200]  That copy proves that a dollar bill actually exists.
[01:47:08.200 --> 01:47:09.200]  Right.
[01:47:09.200 --> 01:47:13.920]  It proves it exists, but it doesn't fall under the best evidence rule.
[01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:16.120]  And it is not a dollar bill.
[01:47:16.120 --> 01:47:17.120]  Right.
[01:47:17.120 --> 01:47:18.120]  Exactly.
[01:47:18.120 --> 01:47:20.880]  So anyways, I'm going to let you get to the other callers, and I just wanted to make that
[01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:25.080]  note because people understand that a lot easier, that you can't take a copy of the
[01:47:25.080 --> 01:47:26.800]  check to court to sue somebody.
[01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:28.560]  You have to take the actual check.
[01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:29.560]  Yeah.
[01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:33.600]  The IRS will not accept photocopies of receipts.
[01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:34.600]  They want the originals.
[01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:35.600]  Yeah.
[01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:39.280]  And it's kind of like in a murder case, they have to come up with a murder weapon.
[01:47:39.280 --> 01:47:45.600]  They can't just take a picture of a gun and say, this is proof that somebody committed
[01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:46.600]  murder.
[01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:47.600]  Right.
[01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:48.600]  I mean, you have to show the evidence.
[01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:49.600]  Okay.
[01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:50.600]  All right.
[01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:51.600]  Thank you, John.
[01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:52.600]  All right.
[01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:53.600]  Bye-bye.
[01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:54.600]  Okay.
[01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:55.600]  We actually do have another caller here.
[01:47:55.600 --> 01:48:00.080]  We have Steve Skidmore on the line from Endless Fraud Detection.
[01:48:00.080 --> 01:48:07.080]  He was a host on WTPRN, and we're coordinating right now to get his show, him and Neil, back
[01:48:07.080 --> 01:48:09.360]  up on the air here on Rule of Law Radio.
[01:48:09.360 --> 01:48:10.600]  Steve, thanks for calling in.
[01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:11.600]  What's on your mind?
[01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:12.600]  Give us the update.
[01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:13.600]  Welcome back, first of all, Debra.
[01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:14.600]  Oh, thank you, Steve.
[01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:15.600]  And I saw you called earlier today.
[01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:16.600]  I just hadn't had a chance to call you back.
[01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:17.600]  So thank you.
[01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:18.600]  Oh, that's fine.
[01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:19.600]  I know you're busy.
[01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:20.600]  That's fine.
[01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:21.600]  I was actually trying to call you back.
[01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:30.160]  But anyway, I got a hold of him.
[01:48:30.160 --> 01:48:32.440]  Somebody called in wanting to know some information.
[01:48:32.440 --> 01:48:36.960]  Does anybody know where to get a thorough forensic audit on a mortgage?
[01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:38.920]  Yes, I do.
[01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:41.920]  Same with Plug, EndlessFraudDetection.com.
[01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:45.640]  There you go.
[01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:46.920]  Okay.
[01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:48.920]  You just stole Randy's thunder.
[01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:50.920]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:48:50.920 --> 01:48:51.920]  Randy.
[01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:52.920]  Randy.
[01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:53.920]  Actually, actually.
[01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:54.920]  Randy has a little.
[01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:56.920]  Actually, we're going to do this through Steve.
[01:48:56.920 --> 01:48:57.920]  Oh, you are?
[01:48:57.920 --> 01:48:58.920]  Okay.
[01:48:58.920 --> 01:48:59.920]  All right.
[01:48:59.920 --> 01:49:00.920]  Very good.
[01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:01.920]  So we're all working together.
[01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:10.960]  I have someone who has 25 years of doing these mortgages, and the reason she left the mortgage
[01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:16.920]  company she was with, she was executive vice president, is they wanted her to do something
[01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:23.200]  that she told them would lead to just the problem we're having now.
[01:49:23.200 --> 01:49:28.400]  And if they wrote the kinds of mortgages they were trying to write, they would wind up in
[01:49:28.400 --> 01:49:30.560]  this position.
[01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.240]  And she refused to do it.
[01:49:32.240 --> 01:49:40.360]  She is intimately aware of everything they're supposed to do, and she will be going over
[01:49:40.360 --> 01:49:51.400]  all of the forensic analysis from the perspective of finding the fraud, the overcharges, all
[01:49:51.400 --> 01:49:58.960]  of the requirements that the mortgagee was supposed to, I mean the mortgageor, was supposed
[01:49:58.960 --> 01:50:08.680]  to have abided by and didn't, so that we can go back after them with a fraud suit.
[01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:11.600]  This is going to be the mad dog syndrome.
[01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:20.480]  I used to use the example, you take a mad rabid dog and throw him in a pit of other
[01:50:20.480 --> 01:50:21.480]  dogs.
[01:50:21.480 --> 01:50:24.840]  He's going to bite everything that moves.
[01:50:24.840 --> 01:50:29.320]  And if these guys are coming at you, that's the way you need to be.
[01:50:29.320 --> 01:50:32.120]  Everything that moves, you need to sting them good.
[01:50:32.120 --> 01:50:35.120]  That's right.
[01:50:35.120 --> 01:50:44.800]  Actually, no, Randy, Debra said to give an update.
[01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:46.000]  There's really nothing to tell.
[01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:51.600]  We've got everything postponed until January of 2010.
[01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:56.080]  Are you going to be filing an amended complaint in your lawsuit?
[01:50:56.080 --> 01:50:57.080]  Yes.
[01:50:57.080 --> 01:50:58.080]  Wonderful.
[01:50:58.080 --> 01:50:59.080]  Yes.
[01:50:59.080 --> 01:51:00.720]  They're going to get a whopper.
[01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:04.200]  And you got your causes of action all sorted out and everything like that?
[01:51:04.200 --> 01:51:06.640]  That's what I'm working on as we speak.
[01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:07.640]  Wonderful.
[01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:08.640]  Wonderful.
[01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:09.640]  There you go.
[01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:10.640]  All right.
[01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:12.560]  Well, I'll be talking to you pretty soon, Steve.
[01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.560]  If you're up, I'll give you a call after the show.
[01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:15.560]  Sure.
[01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:16.560]  Yeah, I'll be up.
[01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:17.560]  Okay.
[01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:18.560]  Wonderful.
[01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:19.560]  You bet.
[01:51:19.560 --> 01:51:20.560]  Thanks, guys.
[01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:21.560]  Okay.
[01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:22.560]  I'll talk to you a little while, Steve.
[01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:23.560]  All right.
[01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:24.560]  It's Steve Skidmore, Endless Fraud Detection.
[01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:29.560]  Him and his partner, Neil, they do a lot of good work with credit cards problems and mortgages
[01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:30.560]  and stuff like that.
[01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:33.080]  I'm going to try to get them back up on the air here on Rule of Law Radio.
[01:51:33.080 --> 01:51:34.080]  All right.
[01:51:34.080 --> 01:51:36.400]  We have another first-time caller who just called in.
[01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:38.920]  We've got C in Texas.
[01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:40.400]  C, thanks for calling.
[01:51:40.400 --> 01:51:41.400]  Thanks for listening.
[01:51:41.400 --> 01:51:42.400]  First-time caller.
[01:51:42.400 --> 01:51:43.400]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:51:43.400 --> 01:51:44.400]  Hello.
[01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:45.400]  Well, it's the lady who...
[01:51:45.400 --> 01:51:46.400]  Oops.
[01:51:46.400 --> 01:51:47.400]  I'm sorry.
[01:51:47.400 --> 01:51:48.400]  Go ahead.
[01:51:48.400 --> 01:51:56.240]  Deborah, this is C. We met her at Serrano's with Dr. V. These are the ones...
[01:51:56.240 --> 01:51:57.240]  And Madeline.
[01:51:57.240 --> 01:51:58.840]  Oh, yes, yes, yes.
[01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:01.440]  Oh, I'm so glad that you called.
[01:52:01.440 --> 01:52:02.440]  So what's going on?
[01:52:02.440 --> 01:52:07.920]  Well, real quickly, the lady who called earlier about her eviction, if two or more persons
[01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:12.240]  conspire to injure, press, threaten, or intimidate any inhabitant of any state, territory, district,
[01:52:12.240 --> 01:52:14.040]  in the free exercise or enjoyment...
[01:52:14.040 --> 01:52:16.640]  Wait a minute, C. Wait, wait.
[01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:18.120]  You sound sort of muffled.
[01:52:18.120 --> 01:52:19.120]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:52:19.120 --> 01:52:21.720]  Yeah, I didn't quite prepare for this.
[01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:26.440]  Basically, I'm quoting Title 18 U.S.D. Section 241 for her remedy.
[01:52:26.440 --> 01:52:31.640]  Yes, 241, 242, but there's a lot more to the remedy.
[01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:33.800]  And what is that remedy?
[01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:36.360]  Can you give us an overview?
[01:52:36.360 --> 01:52:40.560]  The 241, 242 is the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:47.560]  241 goes to more than one person conspiring to deny a citizen in their rights.
[01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:49.640]  That's the criminal side.
[01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:55.200]  The civil side of the Ku Klux Klan Act is 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:52:55.200 --> 01:52:56.720]  And there's several others.
[01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:58.760]  I'm sorry, 18 U.S. Code 1980.
[01:52:58.760 --> 01:52:59.760]  Wait a minute.
[01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:00.760]  Brain dead.
[01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:03.480]  18 U.S. Code 1983 is the civil side.
[01:53:03.480 --> 01:53:08.600]  18 U.S. Code 241, 242 is the criminal side.
[01:53:08.600 --> 01:53:12.560]  Whereas the preference is the criminal side for filing in your remedy.
[01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:13.560]  Right.
[01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:15.600]  The first remedy should always be criminal.
[01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:16.600]  Mm-hmm.
[01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:17.600]  Agreed.
[01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:20.600]  Because when you go after them criminal, they're going to give you more civil.
[01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:21.600]  Well, agreed.
[01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:26.720]  But before you do that, or rather before I do that, if you will, I go ahead and file
[01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:28.200]  my notices and declarations.
[01:53:28.200 --> 01:53:32.120]  Now I do file all in the common law, and I sent you a bunch of email on that.
[01:53:32.120 --> 01:53:33.120]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:53:33.120 --> 01:53:34.120]  You're speaking too quickly.
[01:53:34.120 --> 01:53:38.840]  And you're using terms that most of us probably won't understand.
[01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:42.840]  I normally don't go online or on shows or anything like that.
[01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:44.080]  This is really a first for me.
[01:53:44.080 --> 01:53:45.080]  I never do this.
[01:53:45.080 --> 01:53:47.480]  Oh, you should do this.
[01:53:47.480 --> 01:53:52.880]  We will never call you anything but C, but we need more people.
[01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:56.680]  The more people we have kicking them, the more tender they're going to get.
[01:53:56.680 --> 01:53:57.680]  And I have too.
[01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:01.680]  Well, I'm beating iron slings, mortgage fraud, foreclosures.
[01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:02.680]  I am.
[01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:03.680]  I am whooping ass.
[01:54:03.680 --> 01:54:05.680]  I don't mind telling you that.
[01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:07.760]  Well, good.
[01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:13.320]  We've been emailing back and forth, and I sent back an email where I ask a whole lot
[01:54:13.320 --> 01:54:19.740]  of questions about one of your emails to me, and I normally don't do that.
[01:54:19.740 --> 01:54:24.120]  But this particular one very much interests me.
[01:54:24.120 --> 01:54:31.160]  Well, I went back door, if you will, because I used to contract with Department of Defense.
[01:54:31.160 --> 01:54:37.680]  And basically, the contractual situation is identical for court and officers, et cetera,
[01:54:37.680 --> 01:54:40.040]  thereof, whereas I went directly federal.
[01:54:40.040 --> 01:54:42.720]  A lot of these folks went state.
[01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:49.240]  But the line of progression, if you will, to go to the Treasury for the filing of the
[01:54:49.240 --> 01:54:55.920]  OMB 90045 bonds is basically the same, with, of course, the exception of whether you're
[01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:57.240]  federal or state.
[01:54:57.240 --> 01:55:03.680]  But I did a lot of investigation on that, if you will, a lot.
[01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:08.160]  But, of course, this is relative to my own personal experience, and I started picking
[01:55:08.160 --> 01:55:16.240]  up on that, a lot of the similarities, if you will, from defense contractors to court
[01:55:16.240 --> 01:55:17.240]  contractors.
[01:55:17.240 --> 01:55:26.840]  So, in the emails that I've received from C, one of the things that most interested
[01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:31.640]  me was the revocation of power of attorney.
[01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:32.640]  Yes.
[01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:36.280]  That has been the utmost remedy I have had.
[01:55:36.280 --> 01:55:41.760]  And I can tell you, it has worked succinctly in so many cases because, and I truly, truly,
[01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:48.440]  do believe this, it is a distinction, or the catalyst, between the common law and the statutory
[01:55:48.440 --> 01:55:49.440]  jurisdiction.
[01:55:49.440 --> 01:55:50.440]  It is—
[01:55:50.440 --> 01:55:51.440]  Okay.
[01:55:51.440 --> 01:55:57.160]  I talked to a fellow named Ray Hall out of Missouri yesterday about this issue.
[01:55:57.160 --> 01:56:07.240]  And he has a friend who was a U.S. attorney, a U.S. prosecutor, and over time he figured
[01:56:07.240 --> 01:56:11.400]  out something was going on.
[01:56:11.400 --> 01:56:15.180]  And he realized what his status was.
[01:56:15.180 --> 01:56:17.440]  We were talking about status.
[01:56:17.440 --> 01:56:23.840]  He realized what his status really was, and he made a filing that set him aside from the
[01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:30.000]  Bar Association so that he doesn't pay bar dues, he isn't subject to them, but they
[01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:32.000]  can't stop him from practicing.
[01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:37.880]  And the upshot of it was that he filed a revocation of power of attorney.
[01:56:37.880 --> 01:56:38.880]  Power of attorney.
[01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:39.880]  Yes.
[01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:44.960]  Have you ever seen those affidavits of truth that are circled around?
[01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:49.920]  I think one was by Frederick Mann, another one was by the Pennsylvania Constitutional
[01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:50.920]  Party.
[01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:51.920]  Where is it?
[01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:52.920]  Where have I seen it?
[01:56:52.920 --> 01:57:02.440]  Oh, another one I think was, oh, by Van Dyke, Hartford Van Dyke, and I can't think of
[01:57:02.440 --> 01:57:03.440]  anybody else.
[01:57:03.440 --> 01:57:07.680]  But you look at these affidavits of truth and it all boils down to one point, revocation
[01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:08.680]  of power of attorney.
[01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:09.680]  It makes the biggest sense.
[01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:16.240]  We give them our consent to defraud us, to elect over us, and we give them this consent
[01:57:16.240 --> 01:57:22.000]  with the power of attorney through state contracts and by the Uniform Power of Attorney Act,
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:23.000]  which is content for all states.
[01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:31.440]  And the revocation of power of attorney gets us out of the adhesion contracts where we
[01:57:31.440 --> 01:57:34.480]  gave power of attorney without realizing we did it.
[01:57:34.480 --> 01:57:35.480]  Is that what I'm understanding?
[01:57:35.480 --> 01:57:36.480]  I'm going to write about that.
[01:57:36.480 --> 01:57:42.640]  And let's define adhesion contracts here also because every time that a warrant is filed,
[01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:48.400]  and it's identical to promissory notes for mortgages, et cetera, rather, that warrant
[01:57:48.400 --> 01:57:50.960]  is bonded and traded on Wall Street.
[01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:57.640]  It goes up the line to the DTC, to the Securing Exchange Commission, to certificate of obligation
[01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:00.320]  or letters of representation for each county.
[01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:01.320]  You give the county consent.
[01:58:01.320 --> 01:58:02.320]  Wait a minute.
[01:58:02.320 --> 01:58:03.320]  They do.
[01:58:03.320 --> 01:58:04.320]  They file it with the county.
[01:58:04.320 --> 01:58:05.320]  Wait a minute.
[01:58:05.320 --> 01:58:10.320]  If that is bogus, if it's void, then would that go to securities fraud?
[01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:12.440]  Yes, sir.
[01:58:12.440 --> 01:58:13.440]  Interesting.
[01:58:13.440 --> 01:58:14.440]  All right.
[01:58:14.440 --> 01:58:15.440]  Listen.
[01:58:15.440 --> 01:58:16.440]  Listen.
[01:58:16.440 --> 01:58:17.440]  We're at the end of the show.
[01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:21.160]  See, we definitely need to talk some more about this.
[01:58:21.160 --> 01:58:25.880]  Can you hang on the line and we'll talk to you after the show ends?
[01:58:25.880 --> 01:58:26.880]  Yeah.
[01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:27.880]  I'm here.
[01:58:27.880 --> 01:58:28.880]  Okay.
[01:58:28.880 --> 01:58:29.880]  Great.
[01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:30.880]  Okay.
[01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:35.920]  We'll be back tomorrow night on Rule of Law, on Rule of Law Radio Network, ruleoflawradio.com,
[01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:39.600]  and Wendy, call in tomorrow night and we'll discuss some more about your issue.
[01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:40.600]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:41.600]  You've got about 10 seconds.
[01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:42.600]  Good night, Wendy.
[01:58:42.600 --> 01:58:43.600]  Good night.
[01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:44.600]  Okay.
[01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:52.560]  We'll be back tomorrow night at 8 p.m. Central Time.
[01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:53.560]  Wendy's my sweetheart.
[01:58:53.560 --> 01:59:03.560]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:03.560 --> 01:59:10.560]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:17.560]  If you are a Chucky, nobody Chucky from me.
[01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:22.560]  If you are a Chucky, Chucky, nobody Chucky from me.
[01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:32.560]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, I'm dangerous.
[01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:39.560]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:53.560]  If you eat out of spawn, if you treat me good, if you drink less soup, you better treat me good.