ROL_2009-06-05_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:11.420]  In Afghanistan, the number of roadside bombings, the war's primary killer, are up 80 percent
[00:11.420 --> 00:16.560]  over the last year. NATO says they are used because militants cannot confront the growing
[00:16.560 --> 00:23.000]  number of international troops directly. In many cases, the explosives are used in ambushes.
[00:23.000 --> 00:28.400]  Three U.S. soldiers were killed in Afghanistan Thursday. Elsewhere in the country, five Afghan
[00:28.400 --> 00:34.200]  civilians, including a candidate in provincial council elections, were also killed. U.S.
[00:34.200 --> 00:41.560]  employers cut 345,000 jobs last month, the fewest since September. However, the unemployment
[00:41.560 --> 00:53.840]  rate increased to 9.4 percent from 8.9 percent in April. A report in the American Journal
[00:53.840 --> 01:00.120]  of Medicine has found medical bills are behind more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies.
[01:00.120 --> 01:05.240]  The report found more than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but
[01:05.240 --> 01:10.640]  still were overwhelmed by the medical debts. Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, an advocate
[01:10.640 --> 01:16.280]  for single-payer health insurance, said, unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just
[01:16.280 --> 01:21.960]  one serious illness away from bankruptcy. The U.S. is embarking on an overhaul of its
[01:21.960 --> 01:27.960]  health care system, now a patchwork of programs that leaves 15 percent of the population without
[01:27.960 --> 01:34.000]  coverage. Researchers and consumer advocates are pressing for a single-payer plan in which
[01:34.000 --> 01:39.360]  one agency would coordinate health coverage. Dr. Sidney Wolfe of the Health Research Group
[01:39.360 --> 01:44.740]  at Public Citizen said, expanding private insurance and calling it health reform will
[01:44.740 --> 02:02.320]  fail to prevent financial catastrophe for hundreds of thousands of Americans every year.
[02:02.320 --> 02:08.400]  GQ Magazine reports in its June issue, just days before Christmas last year, an environmental
[02:08.400 --> 02:16.120]  disaster 100 times the size of the Exxon Valdez unfolded on a riverbank in eastern Tennessee.
[02:16.120 --> 02:23.680]  A wave of poisonous sludge buried a town and along with it the myth of clean coal. A dike
[02:23.680 --> 02:28.640]  collapsed and more than a billion gallons of gray slurry gushed out with the fury of
[02:28.640 --> 02:34.080]  a reservoir bursting through a dam. Travis Cantrell, a local resident, said it made the
[02:34.080 --> 02:39.600]  sound of a freight train. The ash, moving fast in a solid wall, destroyed everything
[02:39.600 --> 02:45.620]  in its path. The ash covered more than 300 acres, including blocks the size of cars and
[02:45.620 --> 02:51.160]  small trucks. The long-term damage includes local inhabitants getting sick from eating
[02:51.160 --> 02:56.860]  mercury-poisoned fish, property values that have plummeted to almost zero, and 300 acres
[02:56.860 --> 03:13.080]  of land on which nothing will grow.
[03:13.080 --> 03:34.200]  The
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[04:05.560 --> 04:12.360]  radio network at ruleoflawradio.com live free speech talk radio at its best
[04:12.360 --> 04:27.960]  I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
[04:27.960 --> 04:31.480]  There was something so pleasant about that place
[04:31.480 --> 04:39.400]  Even your emotions had an echo in so much space
[04:39.400 --> 04:45.080]  And when you're out there without care, yeah, I was out of touch
[04:45.080 --> 04:50.360]  But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
[04:50.360 --> 04:54.920]  I just knew too much
[04:54.920 --> 05:10.120]  That that makes me crazy
[05:10.120 --> 05:14.120]  That that makes me crazy
[05:14.120 --> 05:18.120]  That that makes me crazy
[05:18.120 --> 05:27.000]  There's ahold of the fact, this is rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stephens on ruleoflawradio.com
[05:28.200 --> 05:32.280]  Alright, we're here with Eddie Craig and we're taking your calls.
[05:33.080 --> 05:36.200]  We are going now to Mitchell in Texas.
[05:36.200 --> 05:39.080]  Hey, Mitchell. Thanks for calling in what's on your mind tonight?
[05:39.080 --> 05:43.960]  Hey guys. I am looking to get an idea
[05:43.960 --> 05:52.600]  from you of what potential law may be broken or statute or case law or something, if a
[05:52.600 --> 06:01.800]  government entity, in this case a subdivision of the state of Texas, requires someone applying
[06:01.800 --> 06:10.880]  for a permit to be a member of a private organization, for instance, if you were a, say, an AC contractor,
[06:10.880 --> 06:17.200]  they said, well, to demonstrate competency, we want to make sure that everyone who's applying
[06:17.200 --> 06:29.160]  for an air conditioning permit is a member of a private air conditioner unit or something
[06:29.160 --> 06:38.520]  or agency, like the American AC Association or something like that.
[06:38.520 --> 06:45.040]  So in this case, it's not that they require you just take the test, but also that they
[06:45.040 --> 06:53.320]  require that you're a member of this organization that happens to be private and may give a
[06:53.320 --> 06:58.840]  test on their own, but the distinction I'm making is they're not just saying, okay, we
[06:58.840 --> 07:05.240]  require everyone to pass this test, but that they also require you to be a member of that
[07:05.240 --> 07:14.400]  organization and such just is wrong and I'm just looking for case law or a specific statute
[07:14.400 --> 07:21.600]  that you could think of that may be being violated.
[07:21.600 --> 07:24.720]  Freedom of association?
[07:24.720 --> 07:35.440]  I'm thinking, I know that like sheriff's departments with a bondsman, they're forbidden to recommend
[07:35.440 --> 07:39.760]  a bondsman or an attorney.
[07:39.760 --> 07:48.200]  I would suspect that from that, you could find the same restrictions that would apply
[07:48.200 --> 07:51.840]  to officials in general.
[07:51.840 --> 07:58.160]  Is there only one of these types of organizations in existence?
[07:58.160 --> 07:59.160]  Who knows?
[07:59.160 --> 08:00.160]  Yeah.
[08:00.160 --> 08:01.160]  It's just...
[08:01.160 --> 08:06.680]  I mean, like if it's air conditioning, is there only one professional?
[08:06.680 --> 08:07.680]  Is it an accredited?
[08:07.680 --> 08:15.840]  Are they requiring you to be a member of some agency that accredits professionals?
[08:15.840 --> 08:18.840]  Yes.
[08:18.840 --> 08:25.240]  But the agency is not a government agency, it's a private agency.
[08:25.240 --> 08:29.440]  Is it quasi-governmental, like the bar?
[08:29.440 --> 08:30.560]  No.
[08:30.560 --> 08:31.560]  Not that I see.
[08:31.560 --> 08:38.200]  When I pull up their bylaws and all that, it's a non-profit agency, but it's not made
[08:38.200 --> 08:42.120]  up of like state agencies or anything in that regard.
[08:42.120 --> 08:46.720]  And beyond that, I guess what sort of set me off on it is in order to become a member
[08:46.720 --> 08:55.640]  of this or in order to take their test, you need to subscribe to their provision or their
[08:55.640 --> 08:56.640]  credo or whatever.
[08:56.640 --> 09:02.200]  You know, I'll be a good person and I won't waste this or I'll do this in a certain manner.
[09:02.200 --> 09:07.560]  And that's just wrong too, no matter how good the oath...
[09:07.560 --> 09:13.840]  It's not an oath they actually make you say, but in order to get accredited to even take
[09:13.840 --> 09:20.080]  the test, you need to subscribe to their declarations or whatever.
[09:20.080 --> 09:26.720]  So they're forcing you to enter into a private contract?
[09:26.720 --> 09:27.720]  I guess it could be...
[09:27.720 --> 09:28.720]  So keep going.
[09:28.720 --> 09:29.720]  Yeah.
[09:29.720 --> 09:32.720]  Maybe that's one way to look at it.
[09:32.720 --> 09:44.920]  A private contract that limits your options or your freedoms, I'm sure it's in there.
[09:44.920 --> 09:51.400]  I just can't put my finger on it, but we have the evidence of these governmental agencies
[09:51.400 --> 09:54.520]  refusing to make recommendations.
[09:54.520 --> 09:55.520]  So I'm sure it's there.
[09:55.520 --> 10:03.280]  If you look in things like, especially bondsmen, shares department with bondsmen and attorneys,
[10:03.280 --> 10:09.280]  that's always comes up an issue and they're always very careful not to...
[10:09.280 --> 10:13.720]  I've never done that kind of research or whatever.
[10:13.720 --> 10:18.520]  Could you give me a little bit more, steer my shoulders a little bit more in the right
[10:18.520 --> 10:19.520]  direction?
[10:19.520 --> 10:20.840]  Where do I look?
[10:20.840 --> 10:26.800]  If you'll send me an email, I'll do a quick search and send you the results and it'll
[10:26.800 --> 10:29.600]  give you at least a good place to start.
[10:29.600 --> 10:30.600]  Okay.
[10:30.600 --> 10:31.600]  Great.
[10:31.600 --> 10:35.800]  And what kind of keywords will make you remember what we're talking about?
[10:35.800 --> 10:39.040]  If I see Mitchell, I'll know who you are.
[10:39.040 --> 10:40.040]  Okay.
[10:40.040 --> 10:41.040]  Great.
[10:41.040 --> 10:44.920]  Just put Mitchell in caps in the subject line and I'll know what it is.
[10:44.920 --> 10:45.920]  But be descriptive anyway.
[10:45.920 --> 10:46.920]  Randy's got overloaded lately.
[10:46.920 --> 10:55.920]  Okay, and put in the disclaimer that that's not a straw man I'm talking about, huh?
[10:55.920 --> 10:57.920]  Yeah, really?
[10:57.920 --> 11:02.320]  Yeah, I just screwed up on the straw man the other day.
[11:02.320 --> 11:03.320]  What?
[11:03.320 --> 11:04.320]  Thanks, guys.
[11:04.320 --> 11:05.320]  Would you smoke with him?
[11:05.320 --> 11:06.320]  Offer him a cigarette?
[11:06.320 --> 11:07.320]  All right.
[11:07.320 --> 11:08.320]  Thank you, Mitchell.
[11:08.320 --> 11:09.320]  All right.
[11:09.320 --> 11:10.320]  Have a good night.
[11:10.320 --> 11:11.320]  Okay.
[11:11.320 --> 11:18.760]  And Randy, before we go to the next caller, you had also some comments from the previous
[11:18.760 --> 11:25.040]  caller before the break about a way that you had determined to effectively use a public
[11:25.040 --> 11:27.320]  servant questionnaire?
[11:27.320 --> 11:29.560]  Yes.
[11:29.560 --> 11:37.520]  I looked up the citations in the questionnaire and they all went to freedom of information.
[11:37.520 --> 11:43.880]  And so that the person you give it to has no real compulsion to answer.
[11:43.880 --> 11:50.120]  However, and the reason I wanted to address this is it's guys who hand this to the officer
[11:50.120 --> 11:55.280]  need to understand that he's not compelled to answer it.
[11:55.280 --> 12:03.600]  But if he doesn't, then he invokes Federal Crop Insurance v. Merrill, where the Supreme
[12:03.600 --> 12:10.400]  Court says that before I submit to the authority, purported authority of a public official,
[12:10.400 --> 12:16.640]  I have the responsibility to determine whether or not he has the authority he claims.
[12:16.640 --> 12:24.680]  So while I can't force the official to fill out the questionnaire, if he doesn't, it gives
[12:24.680 --> 12:29.600]  me reason to believe that he does not have the authority that he claims.
[12:29.600 --> 12:37.760]  And I can stand on that probable cause as reason not to deal with him.
[12:37.760 --> 12:42.200]  So I can tell him, beat it, come back to the court.
[12:42.200 --> 12:45.960]  And I'm going to tell anybody, beat it, who wants to ask me any questions that doesn't
[12:45.960 --> 12:50.600]  want to identify themselves to me, especially if they come on my property or call me on
[12:50.600 --> 12:51.600]  my phone.
[12:51.600 --> 12:52.600]  Yeah.
[12:52.600 --> 12:55.080]  It's an important distinction to remember.
[12:55.080 --> 12:59.920]  They don't have to answer it, but if they don't answer it, then they give you cause
[12:59.920 --> 13:01.400]  not to deal with them.
[13:01.400 --> 13:02.400]  Yeah.
[13:02.400 --> 13:06.680]  Well, and that's just common sense, too.
[13:06.680 --> 13:11.320]  You should never give a stranger any information about yourself anyway unless you know who
[13:11.320 --> 13:12.320]  they are.
[13:12.320 --> 13:19.520]  Because it could be somebody casing a joint who went down and rented a cop costume from
[13:19.520 --> 13:20.520]  down the street.
[13:20.520 --> 13:21.520]  Welcome home alone.
[13:21.520 --> 13:22.520]  Yeah.
[13:22.520 --> 13:23.520]  You know?
[13:23.520 --> 13:26.520]  Okay.
[13:26.520 --> 13:30.040]  We're going to go now to Hans in Texas.
[13:30.040 --> 13:31.040]  Hey, Hans.
[13:31.040 --> 13:32.040]  Thanks for calling in.
[13:32.040 --> 13:33.040]  What's on your mind tonight?
[13:33.040 --> 13:34.040]  Well, thanks.
[13:34.040 --> 13:42.200]  Well, I was hoping to make a contribution to making you listen, and that is when I started
[13:42.200 --> 13:47.240]  listening to you all, I was doubting that all of this could actually be possible.
[13:47.240 --> 13:57.160]  But yesterday or so, and today, Randy replied about an article that I had found sandwiched
[13:57.160 --> 14:04.040]  in several articles from Yahoo News, my email, whatever.
[14:04.040 --> 14:13.960]  But this one caught my eye, and it was talking about Everglades Law, our legal foundation
[14:13.960 --> 14:19.840]  filing a lawsuit to, I think, the Texas something or another.
[14:19.840 --> 14:28.360]  But at the bottom, it says they had failed to respond to several inquiries.
[14:28.360 --> 14:35.960]  And this is where I find it so disturbing when I begin to listen to Rule of Law, another
[14:35.960 --> 14:41.720]  radio station, I mean, programs, and I thought, surely this can't be, you know, that people
[14:41.720 --> 14:43.360]  are not that responsive.
[14:43.360 --> 14:49.000]  Surely if somebody asks a piece of information, this is an open government.
[14:49.000 --> 14:54.240]  They're just going to, you know, and I just saw this article, and I said, well, there
[14:54.240 --> 14:55.240]  you go.
[14:55.240 --> 14:59.840]  I mean, here you sandwiched between all these tiny little articles, the murder or something
[14:59.840 --> 15:03.960]  else, is this admission to this case.
[15:03.960 --> 15:10.000]  And I just thought that I'd make that comment to just let people know it's out there.
[15:10.000 --> 15:11.720]  These things are going on.
[15:11.720 --> 15:17.840]  Our government is as responsive, and so there's, I think, there's an acceptance from where
[15:17.840 --> 15:24.160]  I was two years ago to now of how Blake and all this has gotten, and I just want to make
[15:24.160 --> 15:32.080]  that contribution, and maybe if Randy has a comment on that email that I'd sent him
[15:32.080 --> 15:33.080]  or not.
[15:33.080 --> 15:42.600]  Yeah, I remember that, and the first email, I was kind of confused as to whether this
[15:42.600 --> 15:47.880]  was talking about Texas or talking about Florida, but you clarified that.
[15:47.880 --> 15:54.680]  And it goes to the mindset that we run into a lot.
[15:54.680 --> 16:00.440]  We expect our public officials to do the right thing, and then when they don't do the right
[16:00.440 --> 16:13.840]  thing, we are frustrated and demoralized and depressed instead of irate and indignant.
[16:13.840 --> 16:17.600]  These guys saying that the governmental agency didn't respond.
[16:17.600 --> 16:24.640]  When I file a FOIA, I'm really kind of hoping as a rule that they don't respond.
[16:24.640 --> 16:28.200]  That way I can start hammering them.
[16:28.200 --> 16:32.000]  That's how we get this fixed, and FOIA is a great place to do it because it's something
[16:32.000 --> 16:38.880]  seeming so seemingly minor that we can just start pounding on them with it.
[16:38.880 --> 16:43.880]  And you know, they do something they do all the time, and all of a sudden somebody's trying
[16:43.880 --> 16:45.840]  to get them arrested.
[16:45.840 --> 16:47.760]  It really gets their attention.
[16:47.760 --> 16:53.880]  So to see this where somebody is complaining that a governmental agency's not responding,
[16:53.880 --> 17:01.240]  I'm wanting to say, well, get off your duff and beat the crap out of them, and that'll
[17:01.240 --> 17:04.600]  teach them next time they're going to want to respond.
[17:04.600 --> 17:05.600]  Exactly.
[17:05.600 --> 17:13.280]  I'm kind of glad to see somebody, maybe I haven't heard here locally on the network,
[17:13.280 --> 17:19.040]  the Severglades Foundation forum, they said they had filed for a 501C, so maybe they're
[17:19.040 --> 17:24.280]  new, but that does show and validate that there are other people caring, and here you've
[17:24.280 --> 17:25.280]  got somebody out of Florida.
[17:25.280 --> 17:31.440]  I don't know what the connection is to the lady in Dallas in the article, but there you
[17:31.440 --> 17:36.360]  can find the link on the website of their filing, but I thought it was pretty neat how
[17:36.360 --> 17:41.200]  some Florida organization that's committed and it says that in their thing to the founding
[17:41.200 --> 17:47.080]  father's vision of our country is taking action here in Texas, but it also validates that
[17:47.080 --> 17:52.240]  what we're doing here in Texas is so important towards liberty, because other people realize
[17:52.240 --> 17:57.800]  if it happens in Texas, at least this is my assumption, that it could happen other places,
[17:57.800 --> 18:00.840]  and I've heard other commentaries make that statement.
[18:00.840 --> 18:05.560]  So I thought I'd just make that comment, and hopefully maybe people look up the Everglades
[18:05.560 --> 18:09.960]  Foundation and maybe give them at least some moral support for what they're trying to do.
[18:09.960 --> 18:15.400]  Hopefully what they are trying to do is going to be fruitful towards liberty.
[18:15.400 --> 18:20.040]  I appreciate that, and that goes along with what I've been saying all along.
[18:20.040 --> 18:25.960]  We've got more allies out there than we realize, that the majority of the people want to do
[18:25.960 --> 18:26.960]  it right.
[18:26.960 --> 18:29.040]  Even the majority of the police want to do it right.
[18:29.040 --> 18:34.040]  Well, I don't know, that cop called in and said only about half of them, but I think
[18:34.040 --> 18:39.680]  it's really more than that, that most people want to do things right.
[18:39.680 --> 18:42.400]  It's just in our nature.
[18:42.400 --> 18:48.840]  So all we have to do is let them know how they're doing it wrong, and it's not that
[18:48.840 --> 18:54.600]  we want to beat them up or give them any great difficulty, it's like your best team of mules.
[18:54.600 --> 19:00.920]  You get out there one day and one of them just doesn't want to work, so you whack him
[19:00.920 --> 19:03.280]  upside the head with a 2x4.
[19:03.280 --> 19:07.560]  You don't want to hurt him, you just want to get his attention.
[19:07.560 --> 19:12.320]  So sometimes we need to pull out our legal 2x4s and whack them upside the head with it.
[19:12.320 --> 19:21.000]  Yeah, and we also need to pull out our legal rulers, i.e. the classroom, and teach them
[19:21.000 --> 19:23.200]  the right way in the training programs.
[19:23.200 --> 19:26.440]  We need to take it from both sides.
[19:26.440 --> 19:32.640]  I have one more question concerning law in the employment sense that is interesting to
[19:32.640 --> 19:34.440]  someone, to this other fellow.
[19:34.440 --> 19:36.440]  It's a different issue.
[19:36.440 --> 19:41.080]  One of the other issues in law, I thought, was is this signing over of your rights for
[19:41.080 --> 19:43.800]  them to do these open backgrounds.
[19:43.800 --> 19:48.960]  You go to a temporary agency, and the comment said to me after I questioned this, well,
[19:48.960 --> 19:54.920]  everybody's doing it, and that just cringed at me, but it's a very open statement.
[19:54.920 --> 20:02.120]  That's a nonsense appeal to the gallery, because everyone else is doing something, there's
[20:02.120 --> 20:03.920]  no reason you should do something.
[20:03.920 --> 20:07.520]  Yeah, Linning's a good example.
[20:07.520 --> 20:12.480]  But my issue is, and my question's around that piece of paper, obviously we don't have
[20:12.480 --> 20:19.520]  to sign something to get a job, so you'll be very limited, very limited in what we can
[20:19.520 --> 20:20.520]  do for you.
[20:20.520 --> 20:27.080]  And I talked to myself, can I, I guess my question is, I signed it reluctantly because
[20:27.080 --> 20:33.280]  I end within expectation of employment or better employment, and then can I take, renege
[20:33.280 --> 20:34.280]  that?
[20:34.280 --> 20:38.480]  They didn't sign it, they only left me for a signature, don't have at least three days
[20:38.480 --> 20:41.040]  on any kind of contract or offer to renege that.
[20:41.040 --> 20:49.360]  The other thing is, can I go ahead and modify that and make, we'll offer, well, you can
[20:49.360 --> 20:52.320]  use this information for a year.
[20:52.320 --> 20:56.920]  And then there's even a third thought here is, can I go ahead and ask them or require
[20:56.920 --> 21:02.640]  them to whomever they give it to that I know what's the information they gave and that
[21:02.640 --> 21:06.320]  is forwarded to me, and I wouldn't have to carry the burden of that.
[21:06.320 --> 21:11.920]  I don't know, there's some issues about employment and privacy issues.
[21:11.920 --> 21:22.360]  Well, with the nature of the privacy issues and the identity theft issues, being so sensitive,
[21:22.360 --> 21:27.040]  I would expect that you could absolutely make that adjustment.
[21:27.040 --> 21:29.400]  It's reasonable to ask them about that.
[21:29.400 --> 21:34.080]  You know, I was an employer and there were things I asked of the people I hired.
[21:34.080 --> 21:37.720]  Do you have drug convictions?
[21:37.720 --> 21:44.960]  And it wasn't because I had an issue about drugs, it's just that people who abuse drugs,
[21:44.960 --> 21:52.840]  as a rule, the ones that I hired were essentially worthless, they could not function.
[21:52.840 --> 21:58.880]  So it wasn't philosophical, it was specifically utilitarian.
[21:58.880 --> 22:05.360]  I didn't want guys that you have to explain to them how to tie their shoes.
[22:05.360 --> 22:11.960]  So I asked these questions and they may object to answering them, but it's my business.
[22:11.960 --> 22:15.480]  You know, I'm going to put this guy out there working and I'm going to be responsible for
[22:15.480 --> 22:17.080]  it.
[22:17.080 --> 22:22.160]  So there's a balance to strike here.
[22:22.160 --> 22:29.840]  When you're trying to get a company to hire you, you object to what they are trying to
[22:29.840 --> 22:30.840]  do.
[22:30.840 --> 22:37.240]  But on the other hand, it's sometimes a good idea to look at what they're having to deal
[22:37.240 --> 22:38.240]  with.
[22:38.240 --> 22:43.920]  And this issue of using your information and giving it to somebody else, I would want to
[22:43.920 --> 22:50.080]  be able to use that information to find out more about you, to find out if you're actually
[22:50.080 --> 22:52.240]  telling me the truth or not.
[22:52.240 --> 22:57.440]  If you're somebody that's going to wind up getting me into lawsuits, does that make sense?
[22:57.440 --> 22:58.440]  Yeah.
[22:58.440 --> 23:04.920]  I was just saying, okay, I see the purpose for this, but my thought after I left the
[23:04.920 --> 23:11.120]  office was, couldn't I go ahead and just say, well, you can do this for a year or a, because
[23:11.120 --> 23:16.080]  especially in an agency situation, if you don't find me a job in three months, it's
[23:16.080 --> 23:21.760]  really kind of a mute point, so I don't want to have them have the right here on forthgoing
[23:21.760 --> 23:22.760]  forever.
[23:22.760 --> 23:29.240]  And then if they do have an individual that is interested in hiring me, that I know what
[23:29.240 --> 23:36.440]  was said about me or whatever information extra above outside the law, I mean, the law
[23:36.440 --> 23:44.040]  is trying to protect me, and if they found information, obviously that's what this writing
[23:44.040 --> 23:49.480]  seems to want, was information that normally you would be protected by law from preventing,
[23:49.480 --> 23:59.080]  then that's the information that I want them to share with me as an employer.
[23:59.080 --> 24:05.200]  That should be relatively a no-brainer, especially if you're going to a headhunter.
[24:05.200 --> 24:11.720]  He's trying to get you to hire him, and I suspect he's wanting to be able to disseminate
[24:11.720 --> 24:15.640]  this information because that's really part of what he does.
[24:15.640 --> 24:21.720]  That's how he solicits you a job, so I would suspect that limitations, especially limitations
[24:21.720 --> 24:27.240]  to the period of the contract would go with the contract as a matter of course.
[24:27.240 --> 24:31.840]  Right, but the way they had written it is that they didn't want to come back in any
[24:31.840 --> 24:32.840]  very specific sentence.
[24:32.840 --> 24:37.960]  Well, we don't want to have to come to ask you every time that we release the information,
[24:37.960 --> 24:42.920]  and I was like, you know, I want to be lenient here, you know, but that's exactly what I
[24:42.920 --> 24:50.000]  guess I'm asking from you, is that I'd like you to tell me, you know, when I got a nibble
[24:50.000 --> 24:55.880]  was kind of nice, but also, you know, even if you don't really need this carte blanche.
[24:55.880 --> 25:01.880]  Wait a minute, this is a headhunter.
[25:01.880 --> 25:07.440]  He's not going to want to tell you who he's giving your name to because he's not going
[25:07.440 --> 25:10.360]  to want you going around behind him.
[25:10.360 --> 25:11.360]  Right.
[25:11.360 --> 25:18.960]  I understand that, but I'm saying that if I can ask him general questions, that they
[25:18.960 --> 25:27.160]  are interested and that whatever, but nevertheless, it's still the issue of how to, I'm just counter
[25:27.160 --> 25:34.440]  offering them, and I just wanted to address that issue, I don't know if I can...
[25:34.440 --> 25:41.200]  And the headhunter is trying to get you to buy his services.
[25:41.200 --> 25:44.440]  In this country, we don't negotiate.
[25:44.440 --> 25:46.640]  It's not a part of the culture.
[25:46.640 --> 25:53.440]  I know someone and ask how much and they say how much and we either buy it or don't.
[25:53.440 --> 25:56.360]  In other cultures, it's not that way at all.
[25:56.360 --> 26:04.200]  I was in a shop in Thailand and I had taken a course on the culture and they said it's
[26:04.200 --> 26:05.680]  part of the culture to haggle.
[26:05.680 --> 26:11.520]  Well, I was haggling with this guy over a straight razor and he told me how much and
[26:11.520 --> 26:13.600]  I said, oh, too much, too much.
[26:13.600 --> 26:14.600]  You're trying to rob me.
[26:14.600 --> 26:18.400]  You think I'm rich because I'm a GI and he's, oh, I've got kids to feed.
[26:18.400 --> 26:24.480]  My kids are starving and this is going back and forth and this other GI came in and asked
[26:24.480 --> 26:28.840]  him about a little travel kit and the guy told him how much, he paid him and walked
[26:28.840 --> 26:31.920]  out, United States normal transaction.
[26:31.920 --> 26:37.720]  Well, the shop owner watched the guy walk out of the building and walk past the building
[26:37.720 --> 26:42.000]  until he was out of sight and he was still looking where he had just left and he kind
[26:42.000 --> 26:49.120]  of looked over at me and he said, him fool could have got much cheaper.
[26:49.120 --> 26:55.640]  And what I saw was a man who was insulted that this GI thought he was so rich he didn't
[26:55.640 --> 27:00.080]  have to haggle with the lonely shop owner.
[27:00.080 --> 27:04.800]  The point of that is, is people will tend to negotiate.
[27:04.800 --> 27:07.920]  We just as a rule don't do it.
[27:07.920 --> 27:13.560]  I think that's a very important part in this whole mindset that will set you at liberty
[27:13.560 --> 27:14.560]  or not.
[27:14.560 --> 27:18.960]  And I guess I have this little slogan I've been wanting to put a bumper sticker to and
[27:18.960 --> 27:21.720]  that is think free.
[27:21.720 --> 27:28.760]  You know, when I heard several other people talk about that everything in court is being
[27:28.760 --> 27:33.200]  made as an offer, I forget which guest said that, but he said something like that and
[27:33.200 --> 27:34.920]  it really stuck to me, you know.
[27:34.920 --> 27:36.680]  That's exactly right.
[27:36.680 --> 27:40.560]  You know, they may make an offer in such a way that's like, you know, you have no other
[27:40.560 --> 27:46.880]  option but that seems to be and it's almost insulting and like you said, you go through
[27:46.880 --> 27:51.160]  that process of being a little bit discouraged because you thought certainly if they were
[27:51.160 --> 27:56.960]  a fair person they would have seen my point but, you know, when money is involved and
[27:56.960 --> 28:01.000]  they've got $300 to collect on a traffic ticket, they're just not going to willingly give that
[28:01.000 --> 28:02.000]  up.
[28:02.000 --> 28:06.160]  And as you've said so many times, I was just so, I thought, you know, we have the right
[28:06.160 --> 28:07.160]  to travel.
[28:07.160 --> 28:08.160]  Why is this an issue?
[28:08.160 --> 28:12.160]  We have the right, if we have the right to the issue and this is the way it's supposed
[28:12.160 --> 28:17.040]  to be, then why not, then we just can see but they're not going to get to that point
[28:17.040 --> 28:22.160]  and it's kind of interesting when we can get them to that point but nevertheless everything
[28:22.160 --> 28:29.400]  is an offer and to see life like that, that's why this guy was so, you know, maybe he just
[28:29.400 --> 28:34.920]  never hurt anybody, you know, be concerned about their rights, that's kind of his body
[28:34.920 --> 28:35.920]  language.
[28:35.920 --> 28:42.520]  That is well put, that everything is offer and acceptance.
[28:42.520 --> 28:45.640]  Everything the court does is an offer.
[28:45.640 --> 28:52.240]  As I work with them and begin to understand them more and understand the law underlying
[28:52.240 --> 28:59.920]  what they're doing, it becomes far more clear that what they're doing is just an offer.
[28:59.920 --> 29:05.000]  They offer me a ticket and I either accept it or I don't accept it.
[29:05.000 --> 29:07.360]  If I don't accept it, they offer me a fight.
[29:07.360 --> 29:10.360]  You could accept it for value.
[29:10.360 --> 29:12.280]  Yeah, give it back to them.
[29:12.280 --> 29:15.160]  And then I give them the fight back.
[29:15.160 --> 29:16.760]  I ask the judge to do something.
[29:16.760 --> 29:22.920]  He doesn't want to do it so he doesn't so I sue him personally up to stakes.
[29:22.920 --> 29:26.880]  I give him an offer to pay me a whole lot of money or do what I wanted to do to start
[29:26.880 --> 29:27.880]  with.
[29:27.880 --> 29:32.880]  I want to make a point here, especially as a Christian, I guess we'll go to the other
[29:32.880 --> 29:38.360]  line, but about obeying the law and how we can see what the law really is versus what
[29:38.360 --> 29:39.360]  we're talking about here.
[29:39.360 --> 29:40.360]  Sure, sure.
[29:40.360 --> 29:44.760]  And if you want to hang on to the other side, Hans, that's fine and then you can make your
[29:44.760 --> 29:47.480]  point when we get back from the break.
[29:47.480 --> 29:52.960]  And we also have John from Texas and Mike from Maine that are up next in the queue.
[29:52.960 --> 29:58.920]  After that, we have open lines, so callers if you'd like to call in, 512-646-98.
[29:58.920 --> 30:02.920]  Gold prices are at historic highs and with the recent pullback, this is a great time
[30:02.920 --> 30:03.920]  to buy.
[30:03.920 --> 30:08.400]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties and instability
[30:08.400 --> 30:11.920]  in world financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
[30:11.920 --> 30:15.480]  Hi, I'm Tim Fry at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage.
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[31:19.960 --> 31:41.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[31:41.960 --> 32:09.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[32:09.960 --> 32:30.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[32:30.960 --> 32:51.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[32:51.960 --> 33:19.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[33:19.960 --> 33:34.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[33:34.960 --> 33:47.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[33:47.960 --> 34:12.960]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[34:12.960 --> 34:23.960]  The understanding that the rule of law is the law and that inherent in our country system
[34:23.960 --> 34:32.960]  was a struggle to define people's freedom and that if you allowed somebody else to define
[34:32.960 --> 34:36.960]  those freedoms, that I guess became the policy.
[34:36.960 --> 34:41.960]  But it didn't, it's what the other fellow was trying to say that it wasn't, we have
[34:41.960 --> 34:48.960]  these, we don't have, we really don't have laws, we have a system and it kind of looks
[34:48.960 --> 34:55.960]  like, you know, I'm kind of thinking like when two karate people or UFC people would
[34:55.960 --> 35:00.960]  go, there's rules that are engaged within the cage, but you're still going to have
[35:00.960 --> 35:05.960]  to go through that struggle to find out, so to speak, what's the law in this particular
[35:05.960 --> 35:06.960]  case.
[35:06.960 --> 35:10.960]  I don't, you know, that you have to engage in that, you have to make those offers, counter
[35:10.960 --> 35:16.960]  offers, you have to make them within the structure of the law, but that whole process is the
[35:16.960 --> 35:19.960]  law and that's what makes it the rule of law.
[35:19.960 --> 35:23.960]  You don't have one person particularly saying, regardless of somebody's performance in the
[35:23.960 --> 35:30.960]  cage, so to speak, to say that that's the winner because I told you what, you have,
[35:30.960 --> 35:37.960]  here in the rule of law, it seems like we have, we have two contending people and it
[35:37.960 --> 35:43.960]  can be a public official and just because he's a public official, our laws clearly demonstrate
[35:43.960 --> 35:49.960]  that they're just not in the right and that theology though that slants that direction
[35:49.960 --> 35:55.960]  just because he's a public official, that he's always going to do you right, well, it
[35:55.960 --> 36:02.960]  obviously falls short when you see like the Texas Youth Commission people taking advantage
[36:02.960 --> 36:07.960]  of the children in that system or any other type of public official role that has been
[36:07.960 --> 36:16.960]  abused and the acceptance of the fact that we are supposed to engage, you know, for justice
[36:16.960 --> 36:20.960]  and for, and that engagement is the law.
[36:20.960 --> 36:25.960]  It's not just the people who dictate a policy.
[36:25.960 --> 36:30.960]  If they dictate a policy, we have to engage in the rule of law.
[36:30.960 --> 36:37.960]  The very good point and it's one that I try to make is that there will always be this
[36:37.960 --> 36:42.960]  struggle between different factions.
[36:42.960 --> 36:49.960]  We have people in CPS who see horrible, horrible things happen to children and they are desperate
[36:49.960 --> 36:57.960]  to protect these children and when they see two parents, they tend to get jaded and always
[36:57.960 --> 37:03.960]  see the ones who created the horrible outcomes and they're trying to protect from the worst
[37:03.960 --> 37:07.960]  outcomes and they wind up creating bad outcomes of their own.
[37:07.960 --> 37:13.960]  Well, we're on the other side and we see them doing draconian things that seem outrageous
[37:13.960 --> 37:15.960]  and unreasonable to us.
[37:15.960 --> 37:17.960]  Well, and also they're damaging the children too.
[37:17.960 --> 37:22.960]  Yes, and they're damaging the children and so it's always this struggle back and forth
[37:22.960 --> 37:25.960]  and actually that's as it should be.
[37:25.960 --> 37:28.960]  The problem is the public is struggling.
[37:28.960 --> 37:33.960]  So when somebody says you need to obey the law, it's kind of like the president.
[37:33.960 --> 37:39.960]  He may have given you a law and so many people, as the Nuremberg Trials had said, you know,
[37:39.960 --> 37:44.960]  I don't care who it is, gives you an order to go against the very laws, then their authority
[37:44.960 --> 37:46.960]  is disavowed from them.
[37:46.960 --> 37:50.960]  They don't have that authority any longer because the authority was given to them for
[37:50.960 --> 37:57.960]  a specific purpose and when they violate that purpose, they have taken that authority away.
[37:57.960 --> 38:01.960]  Now, I think that there's a confusion there because I think there's a proper way to take
[38:01.960 --> 38:05.960]  that authority away from us and we call it impeachment or other things.
[38:05.960 --> 38:11.960]  But still, nevertheless, people have to understand when you say obey the law, it's not just a
[38:11.960 --> 38:12.960]  carte blanche.
[38:12.960 --> 38:19.960]  I mean, you have that as we, the people, have that power to exercise upon even what we might
[38:19.960 --> 38:27.960]  pose as a high authority or we've given somebody a particular realm in which, like the executive
[38:27.960 --> 38:32.960]  branch, to exercise certain powers that we can't do as individuals collectively.
[38:32.960 --> 38:34.960]  I mean, without, you know, we have limitations.
[38:34.960 --> 38:40.960]  But nevertheless, that is the rule of law and I think that they begin to, we begin to
[38:40.960 --> 38:43.960]  look at our president as king, as the ultimate authority.
[38:43.960 --> 38:48.960]  We hear that over and over and, you know, like my friend said, well, you need to render
[38:48.960 --> 38:53.960]  Caesar what the Caesar is and I'm like, we have no Caesar.
[38:53.960 --> 38:55.960]  We have no Caesar.
[38:55.960 --> 39:01.960]  What we have is elected officials that we empowered and we the people, I kept on saying,
[39:01.960 --> 39:02.960]  we the people.
[39:02.960 --> 39:05.960]  I said, do I need to quote, you know, start quoting you the Constitution?
[39:05.960 --> 39:07.960]  We are that empowerment.
[39:07.960 --> 39:12.960]  We are unique in the country in such a way that that is.
[39:12.960 --> 39:19.960]  Yes, we, and we need to keep to always remember that we've given that individual certain
[39:19.960 --> 39:22.960]  powers, but they are limited.
[39:22.960 --> 39:27.960]  And it's our place to ensure that they stay within the limits.
[39:27.960 --> 39:34.960]  When we stop doing our job, a very important part of the system breaks down.
[39:34.960 --> 39:37.960]  And I see that as what's happened.
[39:37.960 --> 39:47.960]  Everyone has been influenced toward the outcomes that their particular position dictates.
[39:47.960 --> 39:54.960]  And everybody wants things easier for them or more efficient and effective for them.
[39:54.960 --> 39:58.960]  So there's always going to be this pull and tug and there should be.
[39:58.960 --> 40:01.960]  If there wasn't a system would get lopsided.
[40:01.960 --> 40:06.960]  The problem is, is the public has quit doing their job.
[40:06.960 --> 40:13.960]  We quit holding the our governmental instruments to task.
[40:13.960 --> 40:16.960]  And that's why I'm here.
[40:16.960 --> 40:18.960]  A really good example of that.
[40:18.960 --> 40:24.960]  I listened to Michael Badneric on a thing that he did on radio just the other day,
[40:24.960 --> 40:30.960]  and he was talking about at no time did Hitler break any law of Germany.
[40:30.960 --> 40:35.960]  Everything he did was absolutely legal in the law
[40:35.960 --> 40:42.960]  because all he had to do was go write the law he wanted and to make it all legal.
[40:42.960 --> 40:43.960]  Well, that's what we have.
[40:43.960 --> 40:53.960]  We have people trying to write the laws they want to make things legal that violate what we know to be true
[40:53.960 --> 40:59.960]  and rightful law, and we're not holding them accountable for those acts.
[40:59.960 --> 41:01.960]  And we need to start.
[41:01.960 --> 41:02.960]  That's very good.
[41:02.960 --> 41:04.960]  I think that that's so important.
[41:04.960 --> 41:07.960]  Especially, you know, the traffic thing for me is, you know,
[41:07.960 --> 41:11.960]  most people accept the idea if I went too fast and they have endangered somebody.
[41:11.960 --> 41:12.960]  So it's a little hard.
[41:12.960 --> 41:17.960]  You know, it sounds like to some people that you're just trying to get away from, you know,
[41:17.960 --> 41:24.960]  the motive here is a little skewed for some people who have accepted the fact that we've brought up,
[41:24.960 --> 41:27.960]  accepted the ideas of the safety.
[41:27.960 --> 41:28.960]  Okay, that is.
[41:28.960 --> 41:30.960]  Safety turned into leverage.
[41:30.960 --> 41:32.960]  That's changing.
[41:32.960 --> 41:36.960]  The whole complexion of the country is changing.
[41:36.960 --> 41:42.960]  People are beginning to realize that this sitting back doing nothing is causing us big trouble,
[41:42.960 --> 41:46.960]  and this giant's beginning to awaken.
[41:46.960 --> 41:50.960]  So we're in the right place at the right time.
[41:50.960 --> 41:53.960]  Things are about to, they're in the process of changing.
[41:53.960 --> 41:55.960]  We've really got the collar stacked up.
[41:55.960 --> 41:57.960]  Okay, I just want to make sure everybody,
[41:57.960 --> 42:02.960]  because you're running to that Christian that just doesn't understand that the law really is involved
[42:02.960 --> 42:05.960]  in the struggle with the rule of law.
[42:05.960 --> 42:07.960]  So that was an important fact.
[42:07.960 --> 42:09.960]  All right, thank you, Hans.
[42:09.960 --> 42:10.960]  Thank you.
[42:10.960 --> 42:11.960]  Okay.
[42:11.960 --> 42:16.960]  All right, we're going now to John in Texas who's been holding for a very long time.
[42:16.960 --> 42:17.960]  John, thanks for calling in.
[42:17.960 --> 42:19.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[42:19.960 --> 42:20.960]  Hey, guys.
[42:20.960 --> 42:21.960]  How are you all doing?
[42:21.960 --> 42:22.960]  Good.
[42:22.960 --> 42:29.960]  It's been another beautiful Austin night channeling Eeyore.
[42:29.960 --> 42:31.960]  I wanted to make a comment.
[42:31.960 --> 42:39.960]  I've been listening tonight, and you know, Randy, what you need to do,
[42:39.960 --> 42:47.960]  be a great show, is do your top 20 things you should never do.
[42:47.960 --> 42:49.960]  Randy's top 20.
[42:49.960 --> 42:51.960]  Yes.
[42:51.960 --> 42:53.960]  That's a good idea.
[42:53.960 --> 42:58.960]  Top 20, don't change the license plate on your car.
[42:58.960 --> 43:01.960]  Good rule.
[43:01.960 --> 43:03.960]  You know.
[43:03.960 --> 43:05.960]  Don't smile to the judge.
[43:05.960 --> 43:12.960]  Don't tell the cop on the street how stupid he is or how ugly his wife is.
[43:12.960 --> 43:17.960]  Unless you know his wife that are coming from his house.
[43:17.960 --> 43:19.960]  And don't tell him that either.
[43:19.960 --> 43:21.960]  Yeah, yeah.
[43:21.960 --> 43:25.960]  But it looks like I might have a little situation brewing.
[43:25.960 --> 43:28.960]  It's going to be very interesting.
[43:28.960 --> 43:32.960]  I volunteer, I don't know if I mentioned it to you or not,
[43:32.960 --> 43:34.960]  but I volunteer with Search and Rescue, right?
[43:34.960 --> 43:40.960]  I'm a volunteer first responder and working at the university,
[43:40.960 --> 43:45.960]  which is a state agency, state entity, if you will.
[43:45.960 --> 43:53.960]  I'm allowed, depending on my classification, 10 to 15 days off with pay
[43:53.960 --> 44:00.960]  to go respond to a disaster, right?
[44:00.960 --> 44:01.960]  Okay.
[44:01.960 --> 44:02.960]  Okay.
[44:02.960 --> 44:03.960]  And it's a lot.
[44:03.960 --> 44:04.960]  It's in there.
[44:04.960 --> 44:09.960]  In fact, there was a bill going through to send that up to 28 days.
[44:09.960 --> 44:16.960]  And so I've been battling at my supervisor level with this,
[44:16.960 --> 44:20.960]  and they're like, well, you know, if you leave, we're going to call it abandonment,
[44:20.960 --> 44:25.960]  and you're, you know, you can't do this, and blah, blah, blah, and you can't do that.
[44:25.960 --> 44:31.960]  So I called HR today and got hold of the person I need to speak to,
[44:31.960 --> 44:36.960]  and they said, well, that's, you know, John, if you need to go, you need to go.
[44:36.960 --> 44:40.960]  I mean, can you provide documentation and everything?
[44:40.960 --> 44:42.960]  I'm like, oh, yeah, big time.
[44:42.960 --> 44:47.960]  And I said, so what happens if they retaliate or do anything against them?
[44:47.960 --> 44:49.960]  And they'll call me and let me know.
[44:49.960 --> 45:03.960]  And I got a case where I've been trying very gently to educate my supervisor about this, you know.
[45:03.960 --> 45:04.960]  Oh, John.
[45:04.960 --> 45:08.960]  We need to talk off the air.
[45:08.960 --> 45:12.960]  I need to talk to you about therapeutic metaphor.
[45:12.960 --> 45:15.960]  Therapeutic metaphor?
[45:15.960 --> 45:16.960]  Yes.
[45:16.960 --> 45:18.960]  Secret hypnosis.
[45:18.960 --> 45:20.960]  Bring them in, take them out.
[45:20.960 --> 45:21.960]  They never know they've been there.
[45:21.960 --> 45:22.960]  Yeah, except for me.
[45:22.960 --> 45:24.960]  He can never fool me with that.
[45:24.960 --> 45:29.960]  I just used the blow dart with the benadryl on the end of it.
[45:29.960 --> 45:40.960]  Well, if you're trying to, if I want to warn you about something and I come up and I tell you, you know,
[45:40.960 --> 45:47.960]  if you do this rotten thing to me, these bad things over here are going to happen to you.
[45:47.960 --> 45:55.960]  Good chance you're going to resist and you're going to develop in your mind arguments against me.
[45:55.960 --> 46:06.960]  But if instead of telling you that way, I talk about, I take the same issues, the same general facts,
[46:06.960 --> 46:16.960]  and I give them different names and locations and different people, and you'll recognize this as parables.
[46:16.960 --> 46:20.960]  But what I'm talking about is somewhat more sophisticated than parables.
[46:20.960 --> 46:31.960]  You talk about things that your listener will pace to, but you're talking about someone or something else.
[46:31.960 --> 46:39.960]  Like in one of the metaphors I do, I talk about my sister who's a nurse in Chicago,
[46:39.960 --> 46:48.960]  and she had a patient who turned out to be someone I'd went to school with, and I described this person.
[46:48.960 --> 46:53.960]  But the woman I'm talking to wanted me to hypnotize her to help her quit smoking.
[46:53.960 --> 46:59.960]  When I described this person who's actually fictional, she never existed,
[46:59.960 --> 47:04.960]  I described what this person looked like 20 years ago.
[47:04.960 --> 47:09.960]  And the person I'm talking to paces what I'm saying.
[47:09.960 --> 47:17.960]  I told her she's a big old gal with big boobs and big belly and skinny skinny legs and a flat butt and she walked like a duck.
[47:17.960 --> 47:22.960]  Well, the woman I'm talking to is anal sphincter and barrel chested.
[47:22.960 --> 47:26.960]  If you're barrel chested, your rib cage is more rounded.
[47:26.960 --> 47:33.960]  And for a guy, it's not a big deal, but for a girl, it pulls her diaphragm out and she always has a stomach.
[47:33.960 --> 47:36.960]  I had a niece that way and it just drove her crazy.
[47:36.960 --> 47:38.960]  She never could get rid of her stomach.
[47:38.960 --> 47:53.960]  And this woman had, she was barrel chested, she had big butt, big legs, but her butt was flat and her feet walked out at a 45 degree angle.
[47:53.960 --> 47:58.960]  And the way to understand how that works, if you walk, your feet will track straight in front of you.
[47:58.960 --> 48:05.960]  But if you pretend you've got diarrhea and tighten your anal sphincter muscle,
[48:05.960 --> 48:10.960]  it sucks your gluteus maximus in, gives you a flat butt and your feet walk out.
[48:10.960 --> 48:14.960]  By the way, Randy, we have a bunch of callers that are first time callers waiting on the line.
[48:14.960 --> 48:17.960]  Okay, let's go to the callers.
[48:17.960 --> 48:20.960]  I just thought I'd let you know.
[48:20.960 --> 48:23.960]  Okay, let's go to the callers. I'll do this another time.
[48:23.960 --> 48:27.960]  Okay. Yeah, just hold on the line, John, if you like.
[48:27.960 --> 48:31.960]  Okay, I wanted to go to Doug in Texas because he's a first time caller.
[48:31.960 --> 48:34.960]  Doug, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[48:34.960 --> 48:43.960]  Hi, Randy, your little group and whatever, Deborah and Eddie.
[48:43.960 --> 48:50.960]  What I was talking about tonight is I own a piece of property here in Bastrop.
[48:50.960 --> 48:53.960]  I bought it. I have a clear title to it.
[48:53.960 --> 49:01.960]  I haven't registered it with the Bastrop County Appraisal District yet.
[49:01.960 --> 49:10.960]  I just got through writing them a check for $696, which is not much,
[49:10.960 --> 49:15.960]  but it still irritates me a little bit.
[49:15.960 --> 49:23.960]  Do I have the right to own this property as a living, breathing,
[49:23.960 --> 49:28.960]  well, I can't say person because I know the lawyers have already...
[49:28.960 --> 49:30.960]  Man on the land, human being.
[49:30.960 --> 49:32.960]  Right, right.
[49:32.960 --> 49:34.960]  Okay.
[49:34.960 --> 49:38.960]  Eddie, do you know anything about a low-deal title?
[49:38.960 --> 49:41.960]  A low-deal title. What do you know about that?
[49:41.960 --> 49:45.960]  Well, I know that if you do the research on the land
[49:45.960 --> 49:49.960]  and you find out that it was ever granted under a low-deal title,
[49:49.960 --> 49:52.960]  then you can purchase it from your straw man very simply.
[49:52.960 --> 49:56.960]  Gary Lochte can tell you exactly how to do that. He's done the same thing.
[49:56.960 --> 50:00.960]  Now, the thing about it is in Texas, property issues,
[50:00.960 --> 50:04.960]  first thing is when you read the state constitution on property taxes,
[50:04.960 --> 50:10.960]  the ad valorem taxes, it very specifically addresses real estate,
[50:10.960 --> 50:13.960]  real property, and personal property.
[50:13.960 --> 50:16.960]  It never addresses private property.
[50:16.960 --> 50:19.960]  Why do you think that is?
[50:19.960 --> 50:22.960]  I can't imagine.
[50:22.960 --> 50:27.960]  Because private property cannot be subject of an ad valorem tax.
[50:27.960 --> 50:29.960]  Right.
[50:29.960 --> 50:34.960]  Now, the reason it cannot be subject to an ad valorem tax is that if they can
[50:34.960 --> 50:38.960]  tax your property and seize your property for lack of payment of taxes,
[50:38.960 --> 50:42.960]  you can't really hold a low-deal title to it.
[50:42.960 --> 50:43.960]  Right.
[50:43.960 --> 50:48.960]  Basically speaking, it works kind of exactly like the constitution says,
[50:48.960 --> 50:52.960]  is that the property taxes in Texas are donations.
[50:52.960 --> 50:58.960]  The way the original property taxes were set up specified that in order for
[50:58.960 --> 51:04.960]  you to be able to vote on a bill that was appearing in the legislature that
[51:04.960 --> 51:11.960]  had anything to do with fiscal fundraising issues that required a bond basically,
[51:11.960 --> 51:14.960]  if you wish to cast a vote for that bond,
[51:14.960 --> 51:22.960]  you put up part of your land for the purpose of tax collection to fund that bond.
[51:22.960 --> 51:26.960]  And your land was only on the roll for the purpose of taxation through the
[51:26.960 --> 51:28.960]  term of that bond.
[51:28.960 --> 51:30.960]  Okay?
[51:30.960 --> 51:35.960]  Now, after the bond was done, so were the taxes.
[51:35.960 --> 51:40.960]  No one has yet been able to explain to me how a donation became something that
[51:40.960 --> 51:43.960]  was mandatory.
[51:43.960 --> 51:46.960]  The two words don't go together.
[51:46.960 --> 51:50.960]  Eddie, do you know who Leonard Fisher is?
[51:50.960 --> 51:52.960]  I've heard the name.
[51:52.960 --> 51:54.960]  Leonard Boyle Fisher.
[51:54.960 --> 52:00.960]  He goes around, I met him at the Freedom Festival in Kerrville,
[52:00.960 --> 52:11.960]  and he contends that you have the right, right cannot be taxed.
[52:11.960 --> 52:16.960]  I have the right to own property, do I not?
[52:16.960 --> 52:20.960]  If you purchase it legally and through legal means, yes.
[52:20.960 --> 52:25.960]  I have an overrised, you know, copy of whatever.
[52:25.960 --> 52:33.960]  But I have been, since I have a house and septic tank and a well and outbuildings
[52:33.960 --> 52:41.960]  and this and that and other, and they're only charging me for unimproved 5.52 acres,
[52:41.960 --> 52:48.960]  I figure I'm under the radar and, you know, I've been doing this like 15 years.
[52:48.960 --> 52:56.960]  So, but I thought, well, you know, they don't have a right to tax me for something
[52:56.960 --> 53:01.960]  that's been paid for long since.
[53:01.960 --> 53:04.960]  You know, I bought my truck, I paid for it.
[53:04.960 --> 53:09.960]  They can't tax me on my little Twinkies.
[53:09.960 --> 53:13.960]  I don't buy Twinkies because that's an example.
[53:13.960 --> 53:14.960]  Right.
[53:14.960 --> 53:16.960]  Well, here's the thing.
[53:16.960 --> 53:19.960]  I can help you address that and cut through the slack on it.
[53:19.960 --> 53:25.960]  If you read it very carefully, the purpose of the property tax is to tax the property of corporations.
[53:25.960 --> 53:27.960]  It's basically everything else.
[53:27.960 --> 53:32.960]  We've gone full circle back to commercial activities versus private activities.
[53:32.960 --> 53:39.960]  The ad valo on tax, the tax on business property, property that's used to earn income,
[53:39.960 --> 53:42.960]  only applies to corporate entities.
[53:42.960 --> 53:45.960]  It does not apply to private citizens.
[53:45.960 --> 53:46.960]  Right.
[53:46.960 --> 53:47.960]  It never has.
[53:47.960 --> 53:48.960]  Okay.
[53:48.960 --> 53:51.960]  Well, Eddie, what I've been doing is paying my little taxes.
[53:51.960 --> 54:00.960]  It's a small bill, but I pay it in, you know, care of Obelia, Tuck, or whatever,
[54:00.960 --> 54:06.960]  and I'm paying it on unimproved 5.52 acres.
[54:06.960 --> 54:13.960]  But, you know, even though I have a document in my hand that's notarized
[54:13.960 --> 54:20.960]  and the attorneys have been involved and everything saying that I've paid for it completely,
[54:20.960 --> 54:22.960]  I've never registered it.
[54:22.960 --> 54:29.960]  And I don't want to go down there and register it as a corporation without caps.
[54:29.960 --> 54:30.960]  Right?
[54:30.960 --> 54:31.960]  Yeah, you don't have to.
[54:31.960 --> 54:32.960]  You don't have to.
[54:32.960 --> 54:34.960]  You don't have to register your property.
[54:34.960 --> 54:37.960]  There's nothing that requires you to register private property.
[54:37.960 --> 54:38.960]  All right.
[54:38.960 --> 54:39.960]  Now, here's the thing.
[54:39.960 --> 54:48.960]  Title 18, United States Code, makes it very, very clear that the government may not take property,
[54:48.960 --> 54:54.960]  not even the state government, under the power of eminent domain or any other purpose,
[54:54.960 --> 54:59.960]  unless the government can show a financial interest in that property,
[54:59.960 --> 55:02.960]  meaning they subsidize it, they loan you the money for it,
[55:02.960 --> 55:07.960]  they have some sort of share in the profitability of it,
[55:07.960 --> 55:13.960]  in some way they have a monetary hold, a fiduciary hold on that property.
[55:13.960 --> 55:17.960]  That's what gives them the ability to interact with that property.
[55:17.960 --> 55:23.960]  If that does not exist, they have no authority over that property.
[55:23.960 --> 55:27.960]  Now, the thing you've got to get them to address is, one,
[55:27.960 --> 55:32.960]  where did they determine that your private property is real estate?
[55:32.960 --> 55:36.960]  Because real estate, by definition, involves commerce.
[55:36.960 --> 55:40.960]  It is property that is used for the purpose of commercial gain.
[55:40.960 --> 55:41.960]  Okay?
[55:41.960 --> 55:45.960]  Farms do not fall into that category.
[55:45.960 --> 55:46.960]  All right?
[55:46.960 --> 55:51.960]  It's corporate-owned property that falls into that category.
[55:51.960 --> 55:58.960]  Now, again, there's a million different arguments you can have over this about this, that, or the other.
[55:58.960 --> 56:06.960]  But I sincerely doubt the Founding Fathers granted in any way the very same government
[56:06.960 --> 56:10.960]  that was stealing their property the power to do it to us.
[56:10.960 --> 56:11.960]  Right.
[56:11.960 --> 56:15.960]  And so what we've got to do is what we're doing with all the rest of this,
[56:15.960 --> 56:18.960]  is we've got to study the law carefully,
[56:18.960 --> 56:24.960]  make sure the terminology meets the requirements of what it applies to,
[56:24.960 --> 56:32.960]  and you will find that it applies to almost 99% of the time a commercial entity, a legal entity,
[56:32.960 --> 56:36.960]  not a flesh and blood man, woman, or whatever.
[56:36.960 --> 56:38.960]  Okay?
[56:38.960 --> 56:43.960]  So, I mean, I can understand that you're not wanting to register it, and that's fine.
[56:43.960 --> 56:49.960]  But here in Texas, they have a very big potential problem with the way they do property taxes.
[56:49.960 --> 56:54.960]  Once you reach age 65 in Texas, it doesn't matter if you own a million acres,
[56:54.960 --> 56:59.960]  age 65, you no longer pay property taxes.
[56:59.960 --> 57:00.960]  Okay?
[57:00.960 --> 57:04.960]  Everybody else, however, still has to pay them.
[57:04.960 --> 57:08.960]  Well, I have a mother that's like 82 or something like that.
[57:08.960 --> 57:13.960]  So she'll be very relieved to know that.
[57:13.960 --> 57:17.960]  Eddie, in the state of Texas, if you're over the age of 65, you don't have to pay property taxes?
[57:17.960 --> 57:19.960]  That's correct.
[57:19.960 --> 57:20.960]  Really?
[57:20.960 --> 57:21.960]  Yep.
[57:21.960 --> 57:28.960]  What if you own the property with somebody and the person that you own the property with is under the age of 65?
[57:28.960 --> 57:30.960]  Do you still have to pay?
[57:30.960 --> 57:36.960]  As far as I know, whoever is considered the main entity on the deed is the one that they go by the taxes on.
[57:36.960 --> 57:37.960]  Okay.
[57:37.960 --> 57:41.960]  What if it's a married couple and one is over 65 and one is not?
[57:41.960 --> 57:43.960]  Again, whose name is on the deed?
[57:43.960 --> 57:45.960]  What if they're both?
[57:45.960 --> 57:47.960]  Whoever's listed is primary.
[57:47.960 --> 57:49.960]  There's always a primary and a secondary.
[57:49.960 --> 57:51.960]  Okay.
[57:51.960 --> 57:57.960]  But now, the point of the matter is that is a violation of equal protection of the laws.
[57:57.960 --> 58:02.960]  They are giving preference to an age group, one over the other.
[58:02.960 --> 58:05.960]  That's a potential constitutional conflict.
[58:05.960 --> 58:06.960]  Okay?
[58:06.960 --> 58:19.960]  So, the fact of the matter is that if you actually look at where that's allowed, they are making presumptions over an age involving a commercial entity,
[58:19.960 --> 58:22.960]  somebody that's incorporated themselves, for instance.
[58:22.960 --> 58:27.960]  But still, we are not talking about the man or woman upon the land.
[58:27.960 --> 58:28.960]  Okay?
[58:28.960 --> 58:31.960]  We're still talking about a commercial enterprise.
[58:31.960 --> 58:35.960]  It's just like when they try to hit me with property taxes on my business.
[58:35.960 --> 58:41.960]  And I say, look, you're saying that you're going to charge me taxes on this property because this property produces income.
[58:41.960 --> 58:44.960]  Where are you getting your definition of income?
[58:44.960 --> 58:45.960]  All right.
[58:45.960 --> 58:46.960]  Well, listen.
[58:46.960 --> 58:47.960]  Listen, hold on, Eddie.
[58:47.960 --> 58:48.960]  We're about to go to break.
[58:48.960 --> 58:49.960]  It's about to cut us off.
[58:49.960 --> 58:50.960]  Doug, hang on the line.
[58:50.960 --> 58:51.960]  We've got Mike from Maine.
[58:51.960 --> 58:54.960]  Other callers, please call in 512-646-1984.
[58:54.960 --> 58:55.960]  We've got open lines.
[58:55.960 --> 59:05.960]  We've only got two callers on the line, so call in.
[59:25.960 --> 59:44.960]  All right.
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[01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.960]  The interest is up and the stock market down.
[01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:46.960]  And you're only getting mugged if you go downtown.
[01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.960]  I live back in the woods you see.
[01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:57.960]  A woman and the kids and the dogs and me.
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[01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.960]  And a country boy can survive.
[01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.960]  I can fly with field all day long.
[01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:17.960]  I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn.
[01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.960]  We make our own whiskey and our own smokes too.
[01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:28.960]  Ain't too many things these old boys can't do.
[01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:34.960]  We grow good old tomatoes and homemade wine.
[01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.960]  And a country boy can survive.
[01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:45.960]  Country boy can survive.
[01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.960]  A car you can't drive about and you can't make a front.
[01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:54.960]  So when the old boys raise their own shotguns.
[01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:04.960]  We say great, we say man if you ain't into that we don't give a damn.
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[01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:31.960]  Country folks can survive.
[01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:33.960]  Okay, we are back.
[01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:35.960]  Final hour, Rule of Law.
[01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:41.960]  Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:44.960]  Alright, we're speaking with Doug in Texas.
[01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.960]  We have some more callers that have called in.
[01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:54.960]  Right now we're talking with Doug and Eddie you were speaking to the matter of property taxes
[01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:03.960]  and the fact that there's a discrepancy here if they are giving people a break who are over the age of 65.
[01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:08.960]  Yeah, it's just a simple matter of it's a favoritism on age.
[01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:18.960]  But again that age limit if you retake it in its direct terminology does not apply to an actual man or woman
[01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.960]  in the way that it should be reading.
[01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.960]  Now they've tried to mask it as much as possible, don't get me wrong.
[01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.960]  But if you actually study it well enough you'll find that that's what they're doing.
[01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.960]  There's lots of ways you can go about combating that.
[01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:42.960]  But what they can't do is produce a law that says you have to register your private property.
[01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:48.960]  It'll say real estate, personal property, and things of that nature.
[01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:53.960]  But it does not say anything about private property.
[01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:55.960]  Okay, Doug, do you have anything else for us?
[01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:57.960]  You have kind of a bad connection.
[01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:04.960]  Okay. Well, I just want to thank you and Randy and Eddie for being there.
[01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:10.960]  And sorry to have a bad connection but I'm in Bastrop County.
[01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:13.960]  Well, we thank you for listening and we thank you for calling in.
[01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:21.960]  Always will and I sure appreciate you people's effort and work and whatever you do.
[01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:25.960]  Well, thank you so much and we appreciate all you do as well.
[01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:26.960]  Okay.
[01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:27.960]  Okay, bye-bye.
[01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:34.960]  All right, we're going to go now to Mike in Maine who's been holding for a very long time.
[01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:36.960]  All right, Mike, thanks for calling in.
[01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:39.960]  Good.
[01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.960]  Well, I've been listening to you guys for probably a year and a half now, maybe two.
[01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:49.960]  I really like your show and I listen to different things.
[01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:55.960]  But after listening to you for a while I kind of revised my interest in a topic that I've been interested in
[01:05:55.960 --> 01:06:03.960]  for a long time and I thought maybe might be able to put together a show on the topic sometime if you're interested.
[01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:12.960]  And I think that the issue, we should have a topic discussing the unauthorized practice of law staff.
[01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.960]  I've researched this myself.
[01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.960]  I've been interested in it for quite a while.
[01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:25.960]  And I've uncovered a lot of the evidence that would suggest that the American Bar Association,
[01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:34.960]  together with the judiciary system, has actually usurped the constitutional authority of the people,
[01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:39.960]  guaranteed to them under the Sixth Amendment, an assistance of counsel clause.
[01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:47.960]  And they've misconstrued that to monopolize the legal system for their own benefit.
[01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:48.960]  You're correct.
[01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:49.960]  And I've got quite a bit of evidence.
[01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:50.960]  What?
[01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:52.960]  You are correct.
[01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:53.960]  Yeah.
[01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:54.960]  Yeah, this is Eddie.
[01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:56.960]  I'm saying you're correct.
[01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:57.960]  Yeah.
[01:06:57.960 --> 01:06:59.960]  Well, I think so.
[01:06:59.960 --> 01:07:04.960]  And I've done a lot of evidence that would support that position.
[01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:09.960]  In fact, I was in court once before, back in 1995.
[01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:12.960]  They had me on some criminal charges.
[01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:20.960]  And I put a motion to the court at that time that I wanted to be represented by lay counsel.
[01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:31.960]  And I cited Turner v. American Bar Association and Loretta v. State of California.
[01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:36.960]  And I made an argument that I should be able to have counsel of my own choice
[01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:43.960]  and that I shouldn't have to rely on court sanction counsel.
[01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:46.960]  And anyway, they turned my motion down.
[01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:52.960]  And so I was preserving it for appeal because I expected that they would probably convict me
[01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.960]  and I'd go to jail.
[01:07:54.960 --> 01:08:00.960]  But I was going to argue that because I wanted to kind of challenge their authority on that issue.
[01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:06.960]  But it never got that far because they ended up throwing the charges out on me
[01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.960]  because they didn't have enough evidence to convict me.
[01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.960]  So I never did pursue it.
[01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:14.960]  But I did get a motion then.
[01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:16.960]  And I got a denial of it.
[01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.960]  And I kind of put it on the back burner.
[01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.960]  But I'm just kind of sitting here looking at the motion.
[01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:26.960]  This was back in 1995.
[01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:33.960]  And anyway, they denied my motion because they didn't think that my cases were on point.
[01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:37.960]  But I think in fact they were.
[01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:46.960]  And then I recall I was before the court on this issue and they heard me.
[01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:54.960]  And I started quoting from the court in Loretta v. California.
[01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:04.960]  And I started to quote Loretta v. California 422 U.S. 608.
[01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:10.960]  It's also noteworthy to understand the intention of those who drafted the Constitution.
[01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:14.960]  And I got up and I started to read this quote right out of there.
[01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:23.960]  And it said, quote, the colonists brought with them an appreciation of the virtues of self-reliance
[01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:26.960]  and the traditional distrust of lawyers.
[01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:36.960]  When the colonists were first settled, the lawyer was synonymous with the cringing attorney generals
[01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:43.960]  and the solicitor generals of the Crown and the arbitrating justices of the King's court,
[01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:48.960]  all bent on the conviction of those opposed to the King's prerogatives
[01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:52.960]  and twisting the law to secure convictions.
[01:09:52.960 --> 01:10:00.960]  This prejudice gained strength in the colonies where distrust of lawyers became an institution.
[01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:05.960]  Several colonies prohibited pleadings for hire in the 17th century.
[01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:13.960]  This prejudice persisted into the 18th century and the lower classes came to identify lawyers with the upper class.
[01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:19.960]  The years of revolution and confederation saw an upsurge of the anti-lawyer sentiment
[01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:28.960]  and a sudden revival after the war of revolution of the old dislike and distrust of lawyers as a class, end quote.
[01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.960]  In the heat of these sentiments, the Constitution was forged.
[01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:37.960]  And this is what the Supreme Court said in Pareto versus State of California.
[01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:39.960]  I started reading that into the court record.
[01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.960]  Oh boy, they shut me up. They didn't want to hear that.
[01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.960]  But I was trying to preserve the record.
[01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:50.960]  Anyway, I think it might be a good issue to talk about sometime.
[01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:56.960]  Yeah, if you had actually filed a judicial notice, they would have had to have taken note of it.
[01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:01.960]  But what you're actually talking about, I've got court cases on exactly that issue.
[01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.960]  I've even got a copy of a letter sent out by the United States Secretary of State's office
[01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:11.960]  that specifically says that the practice of laws and occupation of common right
[01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:17.960]  and as such may not be licensed by any state agency.
[01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:19.960]  But yet they do it routinely.
[01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.960]  Well, actually they don't. They like to convince you they do.
[01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.960]  But basically there is no such thing as a license to practice law.
[01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:30.960]  It does not exist.
[01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.960]  All a bar card is is a dues card.
[01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.960]  You paid your dues to be in our gentleman's club called the Bar Association.
[01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.960]  It is in no way associated with the license of any kind.
[01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:44.960]  The state does not issue it.
[01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.960]  The association itself issues it.
[01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:53.960]  For instance, I've got, let's see, Sims v. Ahrens, 271 Southwest, 720.
[01:11:53.960 --> 01:12:01.960]  Redfield v. Fisher, 292 Pacific 813, 817 and 819.
[01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:11.960]  Corpus Juris Secundum, Volume 7, Section 4, Corpus Juris Secundum, 84, Article 122.
[01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:19.960]  All of them make it very clear that occupations of common right are not taxable
[01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:23.960]  and that the practice of law is an occupation of common right.
[01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:31.960]  The difference you have to understand is what is the difference between a counselor at law and an attorney at law.
[01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:38.960]  An attorney at law is one that has been given a license to practice in the federal and state courts.
[01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:46.960]  The attorney is required to have the license because if he gets someone to allow him to represent them,
[01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:51.960]  he makes that person that he represents a ward of the court.
[01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:54.960]  That carries a special connotation and duty.
[01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.960]  He has to be licensed to manage that.
[01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:03.960]  So his license is to practice in the courts, not to assist someone with counsel.
[01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:09.960]  It is to represent them as a ward of the court that is under the court's authority.
[01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:10.960]  That's the difference.
[01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:16.960]  A counselor at law is someone that is used to give you advice on what to do.
[01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:17.960]  They can speak for you.
[01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:19.960]  They can file papers for you.
[01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:27.960]  They don't actually charge you those you are free to donate to them for their time and for their services.
[01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:29.960]  That's the difference.
[01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:35.960]  Well, I agree with you that I don't dispute that that's the way it's supposed to be,
[01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:38.960]  but in reality, that's not the way it worked out.
[01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:45.960]  Well, actually, they've been sued recently several times and lost on exactly that issue.
[01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.960]  California especially is big about it.
[01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:49.960]  Really?
[01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:50.960]  Yes.
[01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:58.960]  Well, I know like New Hampshire and Maine, they'll charge you with the unauthorized practice of law.
[01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:00.960]  They'll do it here too.
[01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:06.960]  Yes, and you face jail time if you do it.
[01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:18.960]  But the thing of it is today basically the law that they rely on is Title 28, United States Code, Section 1654.
[01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.960]  It says that parents personally are by counsel.
[01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:26.960]  What it says is in all courts of the United States,
[01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:34.960]  the parties may flee or conduct their own cases personally or by counsel as by the rules of such courts respectively
[01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:37.960]  are permitted to manage and conduct causes therein.
[01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:43.960]  If you read that, it makes it pretty clear that it's either personally or by counsel.
[01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:50.960]  But if you take it and you go back and you do the history,
[01:14:50.960 --> 01:15:02.960]  that particular title, 28, 1654, actually traces back to the first Judiciary Act of 1789
[01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:08.960]  where they established the first Judiciary Act, and the language was different back then.
[01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.960]  Back then, the language said that in all courts of the United States,
[01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:24.960]  the parties may flee to manage their own causes personally or by assistance of such counsel or attorneys at law as by the rules of said court.
[01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:29.960]  But then they changed the language in 1949.
[01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.960]  No, 1948.
[01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.960]  Then in 1949, they changed the language again.
[01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:39.960]  Then they put a notation in there.
[01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.960]  They said, well, this restores the original language.
[01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:47.960]  What it did is it restored some of the original language.
[01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:56.960]  What they actually did is they took the word counsel and attorneys, and they kind of consolidated it into one.
[01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.960]  So now you only had a choice of personally or counsel.
[01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.960]  They grouped counsel and attorney together.
[01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:08.960]  So if you're looking at that language, you'd say, well, that's the original language.
[01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:10.960]  And you wouldn't know it unless you did a history.
[01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:18.960]  You went back and looked at the prior history, and then you would find out that, no, they did change the language.
[01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:28.960]  And it was right in that era, right around 1948, 1949, was when they started establishing all these unauthorized practice laws in all these states.
[01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:31.960]  That's when they usurped the authority.
[01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:32.960]  I think that's when it happened.
[01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:34.960]  There's a lot of evidence to that.
[01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:36.960]  It's physical evidence.
[01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:37.960]  It's there.
[01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:46.960]  Yeah, I think it should be very easy to do a historical search and find out if John Quincy Adams had an attorney's license or a bar card.
[01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:49.960]  Yeah.
[01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:55.960]  Well, what do you suppose the answer would be then?
[01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:57.960]  I don't think so.
[01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.960]  Yeah, not one they would like.
[01:16:59.960 --> 01:17:01.960]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:02.960]  Yeah, but I mean, I don't know.
[01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:08.960]  I mean, I thought maybe I'd run it by you people because I think it might be a good topic to investigate.
[01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:22.960]  Because I believe that they're guilty, I believe the American Bar Association, along with members of the judiciary, are actually guilty of antitrust laws.
[01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:23.960]  Well, they are.
[01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:35.960]  Texas Constitution specifically forbids monopolies, and there can be absolutely no argument that the State Bar Association is an illegal monopoly.
[01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:36.960]  Well, yeah.
[01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:43.960]  But not only that, the American Bar Association never even got started in this country until almost 90 years after the country was established.
[01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:46.960]  The Constitution was founded.
[01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.960]  I'll do some history on that.
[01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:50.960]  Yes.
[01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:51.960]  All right.
[01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:53.960]  Well, Mike, thank you very much.
[01:17:53.960 --> 01:18:10.960]  Yeah, that is something that we need to do something about, most definitely, because it's, you know, the Bar Association is not only holding everyone else hostage, but the attorneys as well.
[01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:17.960]  Well, yeah, and they're raping, you know, financially raping the general public.
[01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:24.960]  And the American justice system belongs to the American people, not to the legal profession.
[01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:26.960]  We're the ones that pay for it.
[01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:27.960]  It belongs to us.
[01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:29.960]  We should have access to it.
[01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:30.960]  All right.
[01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:35.960]  Well, Mike, if you don't have anything else for us, we kind of need to move on because we have a lot of callers who have been stacking up for a long time.
[01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:36.960]  Okay.
[01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:38.960]  Well, I don't, and thanks for talking.
[01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:41.960]  Thank you so much, and thanks for listening and calling in.
[01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:42.960]  Okay. Bye now.
[01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:43.960]  Okay. Bye.
[01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.960]  We're going to go now to Russell in Texas.
[01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:48.960]  Hey, Russell, thanks for calling in.
[01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:51.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.960]  Russell.
[01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:55.960]  Okay.
[01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:57.960]  Russell must have dropped off the line.
[01:18:57.960 --> 01:18:58.960]  Russell, if you're out there, call back in.
[01:18:58.960 --> 01:18:59.960]  All right.
[01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:03.960]  We're going to go to Dominic in Texas.
[01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:05.960]  Hey, Dominic, thanks for calling in.
[01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:06.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:07.960]  Hi, how are you all doing?
[01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:08.960]  Good.
[01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:09.960]  Well, that's good.
[01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.960]  I had a question for your guest.
[01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.960]  I was wondering about the paying of the taxes,
[01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:21.960]  because we've purchased a little trailer for a business.
[01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:29.960]  Do we have to pay taxes on that, like to Nelda Wells Spears for purchasing that?
[01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:33.960]  Well, are you talking about, like, sales taxes or something on it?
[01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:35.960]  Yes.
[01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:38.960]  You bought it for a business?
[01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.960]  Yes, we bought it for a business.
[01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:43.960]  Incorporated or unincorporated?
[01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:45.960]  Unincorporated.
[01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.960]  Sole proprietorship type deal?
[01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:49.960]  What do you mean?
[01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:50.960]  Or associate?
[01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:54.960]  It's not a partnership or an LLC or anything like that, right?
[01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.960]  It's just a partnership between me and my wife.
[01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.960]  Right, but there's no paperwork filed that it's a limited liability partnership or anything, right?
[01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:04.960]  No, no.
[01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:07.960]  Where does it sit?
[01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:09.960]  It sits in our front yard.
[01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.960]  On your private property?
[01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:12.960]  Yes.
[01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:19.960]  Well, actually on the public street, but it's right in front of our yard.
[01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:21.960]  It sits on the public street?
[01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:23.960]  Yes.
[01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:25.960]  You don't own the land where it sits?
[01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:31.960]  Well, we own the lot, but we don't own the street, of course.
[01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:37.960]  Okay, so you're saying it fronts the street, but it's not on property you don't own?
[01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:41.960]  Well, it's actually sitting on the street.
[01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:47.960]  It's not actually on our plot.
[01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:48.960]  See what I'm saying?
[01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.960]  We have a park right in front of our house.
[01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:52.960]  I'm not sure how that's going to work, but okay.
[01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:58.960]  As far as paying the taxes on it, again, if you study the sales tax code,
[01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:06.960]  the sales tax code makes it very clear it's a tax imposed upon a seller or a retailer that is a corporate entity.
[01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:13.960]  So as far as paying sales tax on it, that's an argument you can have with the person that sold it to you
[01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:21.960]  because the way that I understand the way it reads, that price is to be paid by the seller, not the purchaser.
[01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:28.960]  Okay, so that's something I would take up with the person I bought it from with Nelda Wells Spears is what you're saying?
[01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:29.960]  Yes.
[01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:36.960]  Okay, and on this code, I just type that into search engine, state tax code?
[01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:47.960]  Yes, you go to www.texas.gov, click on the government link, click on the Texas Codes and Statutes link,
[01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:55.960]  and then go into the tax code, and Chapter 151 is sales tax.
[01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:58.960]  All righty, I'll look into that.
[01:21:58.960 --> 01:21:59.960]  Okay.
[01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:06.960]  All right, well, I appreciate your talking to y'all, and I'll get off so somebody else can get on and talk.
[01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:08.960]  All right, thank you, Dominic.
[01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:09.960]  Thank you for all your support.
[01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:10.960]  We appreciate it.
[01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:11.960]  No problem.
[01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.960]  Okay, we're going to go back now to Russell in Texas.
[01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:18.960]  I just pulled him back up on the phone on the other line, and he said he was there.
[01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.960]  He was just listening on the radio instead of the phone.
[01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:22.960]  Russell, are you there?
[01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:23.960]  Yes, I am.
[01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:24.960]  Okay, excellent.
[01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:25.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:27.960]  Thank you for holding, by the way.
[01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:29.960]  Terrence, thanks.
[01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:33.960]  I was wondering about the property tax over 65 issue.
[01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:40.960]  Does that apply to city and county tax authorities also, or is it just a state?
[01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:45.960]  It really depends, but on where the property is in some degree.
[01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:49.960]  If it's rural property, of course, the city is not going to have anything to do with it.
[01:22:49.960 --> 01:23:01.960]  If it's property within the state, since the tax code, all the taxes that any county or city takes on property is based upon state law,
[01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:09.960]  the presumption would have to be what the state says has to trickle down through the individual county and municipality tax codes.
[01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:12.960]  That's just one way of looking at it, though.
[01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.960]  Of course, they all like to have their own interpretation.
[01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:21.960]  One county will charge you taxes even when the state says they can't, and so on and so forth.
[01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:29.960]  The best way to find out the way it's going to work is to make sure you're familiar with it yourself.
[01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:38.960]  Like I say, if you actually go out to www.texas.gov, I believe it's Chapter 32 that deals with ad valorem taxes, or 132.
[01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:43.960]  But the ad valorem tax, that is the tax that applies to property.
[01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:47.960]  If you read that carefully, it's going to really surprise you what's in there.
[01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:57.960]  But again, when you're studying statutes, everybody keep in mind, do not accept a word at face value for what you think it means.
[01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:02.960]  Check every place that says definition.
[01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:05.960]  Find every term that's used in that statute.
[01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:09.960]  If it's not there, back up and check a law dictionary.
[01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:17.960]  That's what they mean by common usage as it's used in law, not just in Webster's, okay?
[01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:26.960]  I have a relative who lives in a city who's over 65 and pays a lot of taxes.
[01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:34.960]  And I was just wondering if anyone's been successful in challenging it on the basis of what you cited.
[01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.960]  I know people that don't pay property taxes at all.
[01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:48.960]  I'm one of them because they can't show me anywhere where my right to generate my own income with my own property is something that's taxable by them.
[01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:56.960]  If that would be true, then that would mean Texas has a secret income tax and we haven't been told about it.
[01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.960]  That kind of goes to something else I'm looking at right now.
[01:24:59.960 --> 01:25:03.960]  Are you familiar with the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports?
[01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:04.960]  Yes, I am.
[01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.960]  Do you think that's legitimate?
[01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:14.960]  Do you think there's lots of investment income that we're getting that we're not putting on the state budget and they're hiding it somewhere?
[01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.960]  Oh, I know for a fact there is.
[01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:21.960]  I've read a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report and we even have one on the Texas Web site.
[01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:24.960]  You can download it directly from there.
[01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:30.960]  What it doesn't do, however, is break it down in as much detail, so it's harder to actually see what they're doing.
[01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:34.960]  But, oh yeah, it's a real thing.
[01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:35.960]  Isn't that kind of a big deal?
[01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:44.960]  I mean, because I was looking at – I saw the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report video that Alex Jones did.
[01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:51.960]  And Walter Berrien was saying that if you look at the 96 cappers, that was before they really started hiding things.
[01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:54.960]  And I'm trying to get a copy from various sources.
[01:25:54.960 --> 01:26:04.960]  But that's kind of a big deal because I was looking at 98 and we had like $8.3 trillion in assets and $450 billion in investment income
[01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.960]  that evidently didn't go into the state budget.
[01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:12.960]  And that's more than all the city, county and state taxes put together.
[01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:17.960]  And so we would have gotten a $90 billion refund if they had just used the investment income.
[01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:24.960]  And so I wish – I'm looking into myself, but I don't have time.
[01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.960]  I was hoping that I could generate some interest among other people,
[01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:33.960]  but why don't we kind of look into this and see if there's some way we can at least get part of this income?
[01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:45.960]  Because, you know, about in the last session, the tech start did a questionnaire to all the cities and counties saying how much do you need for roads.
[01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:52.960]  And they're trying to show we have such an overwhelming need that we have to go to toll roads, and it came up to about $55 billion.
[01:26:52.960 --> 01:27:00.960]  But if we had just the income we had from 98, a $450 billion that they're not using, we wouldn't have any need for toll roads.
[01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:05.960]  We could build every road in the state, you know, nine times over.
[01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:09.960]  And so it seems like a really big deal, nailing down where is this money?
[01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:16.960]  And I was hoping that I could generate some interest among other people in tracking it down, at least getting some answers from these people.
[01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:21.960]  You know, where is this money and why is it not in the budget?
[01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:23.960]  Yeah, well, it's that profiteering thing.
[01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:29.960]  They don't want to put that money in the budget because that would mean that they would have to stop charging us taxes.
[01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:40.960]  There is absolutely no reason with the investment income that most of the states have for them to continue to charge the citizens of the state property taxes.
[01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:44.960]  But what they want is to have their cake and eat it too.
[01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:50.960]  They think they're playing in their own financial sandbox, and we don't have any say-so about it.
[01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.960]  That's where we need to correct them.
[01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.960]  Yeah, it seems like a really important issue.
[01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:06.960]  One other thing I wanted to mention is where would I look to find – I keep getting nailed on not having a front license plate,
[01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:09.960]  and it just becomes kind of a thing with me.
[01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.960]  I don't want to have one on my car.
[01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:18.960]  And do you know what area of the code I could look at to find out if that's actually required?
[01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:21.960]  Yeah, it's in the section dealing with license plates.
[01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:27.960]  The fact is now license plates are only required for motor vehicles.
[01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:28.960]  Okay?
[01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:31.960]  Keep that in mind.
[01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:36.960]  It specifically states that it should have a front and rear plate.
[01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:41.960]  But again, it must be a motor vehicle for that to apply.
[01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:50.960]  And you must be a person operating that motor vehicle on a road or highway in this state.
[01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.960]  All of those particular phrases carry special connotations.
[01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.960]  Research them carefully.
[01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:57.960]  Dig them out.
[01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:03.960]  They'll make a lot more sense to you if you have to root them out than if I just try to tell them to you.
[01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:04.960]  Yeah, okay.
[01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:05.960]  I'll check that out.
[01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:11.960]  And I hope that somebody listening will, you know, get interested in the NCAFR situation
[01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:16.960]  because it could solve a lot of problems in this state if we could get at least some of the income.
[01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:20.960]  Well, the problem with solving problems is because it's all investment income.
[01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:25.960]  With what they've done with the dollar, the state's about to lose all its investment and ours along with it
[01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:29.960]  because when the stock market crashes, all that money's gone.
[01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:37.960]  That's the risk of playing the market, which is exactly why I don't think the people ever actually granted them that authority.
[01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:42.960]  That's like playing a roll of a dice with the public treasury.
[01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:43.960]  All right.
[01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:45.960]  Listen, Russell, we're going to break.
[01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:49.960]  If you don't have anything else for us, we're going to let you go so we can move on when we get back on the other side.
[01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:50.960]  Thanks a lot.
[01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:51.960]  Okay, thank you.
[01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:57.960]  And then we're going to go to Brian in Pennsylvania, Dan in Connecticut, Callers, 512-646-1984.
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[01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:11.960]  I see gold going up much higher.
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[01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:46.960]  Alright, more money, more problems.
[01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:52.960]  Like the more money they take from us, the more problems we see.
[01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:54.960]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:31:54.960 --> 01:32:00.960]  Alright, we are going to go now to Brian in Pennsylvania.
[01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.960]  Hi, how are you doing?
[01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:03.960]  Hey, Brian.
[01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:04.960]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:05.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:07.960]  A few things.
[01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:15.960]  Well, first, I did want to thank Eddie Krex from Inspiration because I went through, I believe it's Title 42.
[01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:22.960]  Actually, I might be mistaken on that, but I did go over the transportation code for Pennsylvania.
[01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:34.960]  And I don't even find under the seven distinct types of vehicles described anything that even comes close to a regular, what we would say, passenger automobile.
[01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:46.960]  It all has to do with road type, you know, road type work and, you know, line painting, official, you know, capacity type of vehicle.
[01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:48.960]  Very interesting.
[01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:54.960]  I wanted to actually find out if I could forward you guys an email to maybe get to Eddie Krex so you could check this out
[01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:58.960]  and see if there's something that I'm missing because it seems like I went over it again.
[01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:05.960]  I didn't find anything that even resembled the cars that I see most of the time on the road.
[01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:07.960]  Yeah, you can send it to my email address.
[01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:13.960]  It's rangerx64 at gmail.com.
[01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:14.960]  Okay, great.
[01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:18.960]  And it wouldn't surprise me if you're not missing anything, Brian.
[01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:19.960]  Yeah.
[01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:26.960]  Now, the one other place to check, Brian, is always check the state administrative code as well just in case
[01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:31.960]  because they may bury things in there they don't want the general public to find.
[01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:36.960]  Is that a generic term or is there another term you would think of another state using that you've heard?
[01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:37.960]  No.
[01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.960]  As far as I know, in every state it is called the administrative code
[01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:48.960]  because that code is the administrative rule book that all state agencies must follow.
[01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:49.960]  Okay.
[01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:50.960]  I'll look at that.
[01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.960]  I'll look at that because that kind of brings to my next question is wording.
[01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.960]  And, you know, I had some troubles.
[01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.960]  I was looking at the state rules of court.
[01:33:59.960 --> 01:34:03.960]  It's going to have a legal issue now, but it's in Magisterial District Court.
[01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:08.960]  And under Rule 51 there's a note that says the state rules do not apply,
[01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:12.960]  and I have to check the Magisterial District judge rules.
[01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:14.960]  And I didn't even realize it was in the book.
[01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:16.960]  I went to the law library today and it was in the book I have.
[01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:17.960]  I have the 2007.
[01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:20.960]  2009 isn't too much different.
[01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:26.960]  But with that in the Magisterial District judge rules of court,
[01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:32.960]  I couldn't find anything that gave me specific grounds for challenge jurisdiction.
[01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:38.960]  And I was wondering then what I would move to when there's not that specifically, you know, cited there.
[01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:39.960]  You know, there's no wording.
[01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:41.960]  There's no forms and a lot of other things.
[01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:46.960]  There's, you know, they said caption and then they give you a specific form they want to see.
[01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:50.960]  You broke up a little bit. You said the challenge is jurisdiction?
[01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.960]  Correct.
[01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:53.960]  Okay.
[01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:58.960]  What is the action you're going into the court for?
[01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:07.960]  Well, the plaintiff says that I owe them a certain amount of dollars for credit card issues.
[01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:09.960]  They say it's credit card debt,
[01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:17.960]  but they haven't been able to prove anything with any signature and they don't really have a claim.
[01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:24.960]  But what I did find in the state rules was more so challenging the claim,
[01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:27.960]  the claim, you know, not having any remedy in the court,
[01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.960]  but nothing specifically challenging jurisdiction in the court.
[01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:36.960]  That's not what I was going for, but that's kind of what a federal rule goes to.
[01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:37.960]  Okay.
[01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:40.960]  Randy addressed something like this earlier.
[01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:42.960]  There's several points you can look at.
[01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:48.960]  The first one is find out what the statute of limitations for the action is that they're trying to bring to collect the debt.
[01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:56.960]  Do they have only a certain amount of time to make the suit happen or to get you into court or whatever?
[01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.960]  The second thing is is depending upon the amount,
[01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:03.960]  the amount may determine that it has to be filed in a particular court.
[01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:08.960]  If it exceeds, for instance, $10,000 here in Texas, it cannot be filed in county court.
[01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:16.960]  It has to be filed in district court because county court is considered small claims up to $10,000.
[01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:23.960]  In Pennsylvania, they've got court of common please and then I think you go to Supreme Court.
[01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:27.960]  I would appeal for the court of common please.
[01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:37.960]  This is likely to be above court of common please, but this is something to watch for that I sorted out this morning.
[01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:46.960]  A lot of guys out here on credit cards tell you to demand validation or verification of the debt.
[01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:47.960]  Right.
[01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:48.960]  It hasn't been responded to.
[01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:50.960]  I wrote multiple times.
[01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:52.960]  Okay.
[01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:57.960]  Did they send you an accountant?
[01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:01.960]  I was going to say I want to put that on the docket, but I want to do it before the hearing,
[01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:07.960]  and I wanted to have that in the form of, you know, my channel certificate because there is no claim stated.
[01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:08.960]  They really don't have a valid claim.
[01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:11.960]  There's a claim stated, but it's not valid.
[01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:13.960]  Okay.
[01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:20.960]  How is it not valid?
[01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:24.960]  Okay, here's what the case law says.
[01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:30.960]  The federal law under the Fair Debt Collections Act requires them to validate the debt.
[01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:38.960]  And what the case law has said, that if they send you an accounting of what's been charged on the card,
[01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:48.960]  that is validation and verification of the debt, and they have to produce nothing more.
[01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:53.960]  It doesn't seem fair, but that's what it said.
[01:37:53.960 --> 01:38:01.960]  So these guys that are pushing for challenging them based on validation and verification of the debt,
[01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:06.960]  they didn't understand what validation and verification was.
[01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:09.960]  All it is is sending you an accounting.
[01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:15.960]  What you have to challenge is no contract.
[01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:19.960]  You don't challenge that there is a debt.
[01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:22.960]  Okay, I got a debt.
[01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:28.960]  But the problem is they don't have a contract telling me how I have to pay it back.
[01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:31.960]  I can pay it back in peanuts.
[01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:36.960]  I can pay it back a dollar a week for the next 200 years.
[01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:39.960]  I can pay it any way I want to.
[01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:41.960]  So you just make up a way to pay it back.
[01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:49.960]  Well, that's why I believe you'll hear the argument of HGR 192,
[01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:54.960]  because in that we're more or less stated that there is no any formal payment.
[01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:57.960]  How can you make anything out of anything?
[01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:02.960]  You're not pushed to have payment in any specific form.
[01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:04.960]  You know, that's against public policy.
[01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:05.960]  Wait a minute.
[01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:08.960]  You don't get to that argument yet.
[01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:13.960]  First, you have to get past subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:21.960]  So the contract, the collection, third party debt collector will claim a contract
[01:39:21.960 --> 01:39:26.960]  between you and the credit card company.
[01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:29.960]  And in his first cause of action, in his second cause of action,
[01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:33.960]  he'll claim a verbal contract.
[01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:39.960]  And he'll validate the debt with the billing.
[01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:41.960]  So he's got a validated debt.
[01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:45.960]  But what he doesn't have is terms of repayment.
[01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:48.960]  You can claim that this was a gift.
[01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:50.960]  And they'll say, oh, no, it wasn't a gift.
[01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:51.960]  We have a verbal contract.
[01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:54.960]  I say, yeah, you have a verbal contract to loan me the money,
[01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:58.960]  and I have a verbal contract with you never to pay it back.
[01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:00.960]  And they'll say, no, no, no, no, no, that's not how it is.
[01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.960]  Show me the contract, Bubba.
[01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:07.960]  No contract, no standing to come before the court.
[01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.960]  Even if the debt's validated, they still have no contract.
[01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.960]  So people have been going after validation of the debt,
[01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:16.960]  and that's not going to get them anywhere.
[01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:24.960]  And right now, the courts are leaning toward this issue of show me the contract.
[01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:28.960]  And a credit card, it's a little more difficult because there's an implied contract
[01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:32.960]  because you used the credit card actively,
[01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:36.960]  and the credit card gave you compensation.
[01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:40.960]  So a contract clearly exists.
[01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:47.960]  The problem is you don't know what the stipulations of the contract are.
[01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:51.960]  It's kind of curious, too, that if there was any debt, you know,
[01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:54.960]  alleged debt that would be verified, valid, or not,
[01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:58.960]  it would be in the name of the person whose credit line it was,
[01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:03.960]  so it would almost be defaulted against oneself, and that's kind of odd.
[01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:08.960]  How can that really be?
[01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:09.960]  You know what I mean?
[01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:11.960]  No.
[01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:17.960]  Yeah, because Russian roulette would be defaulting against yourself.
[01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:21.960]  Well, right, the credit is to who?
[01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:24.960]  There was no loan ever given.
[01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:31.960]  There was no – there really was no consideration on the other end.
[01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:32.960]  You know what I mean?
[01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:33.960]  Now, that you've got correct.
[01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:38.960]  There was nothing of value exchanged between you and the credit card company.
[01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:40.960]  Right.
[01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:45.960]  Yeah, but see, that's still the second – that's a secondary issue.
[01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:49.960]  You only argued that issue if you got past subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:51.960]  I understand that.
[01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:52.960]  I do.
[01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:55.960]  I comprehend that, I should say.
[01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:58.960]  And I'm going back after the judge.
[01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:03.960]  It's not my place to determine whether or not the petitioner has subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:09.960]  It's your place to determine that before you order me to come into your court,
[01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:12.960]  because if you didn't determine that you had subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:16.960]  you had no power to make the order.
[01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:21.960]  We should come for the – we go for the judge.
[01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:28.960]  No subject matter jurisdiction, no immunity from suit.
[01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:30.960]  Does that sound like fun?
[01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:32.960]  Go ahead.
[01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:34.960]  Kind of where I thought you were going.
[01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:36.960]  That's fine.
[01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:38.960]  I'm really enjoying learning lately.
[01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:40.960]  I want to thank you guys on that too.
[01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:49.960]  I'd like to ask if any of you all own any of your property that you live on?
[01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:50.960]  Yes.
[01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:54.960]  Well, okay, is that a loaded question?
[01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:55.960]  It may be.
[01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:56.960]  It may be.
[01:42:56.960 --> 01:42:58.960]  I'm looking for an answer.
[01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:03.960]  I have – I live on a piece of property that I don't owe any money on.
[01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:04.960]  All right.
[01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:06.960]  Does it have a perfected patent?
[01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:08.960]  Of course not.
[01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:09.960]  All right.
[01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:11.960]  I just want to ask you if that was a loaded question.
[01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:14.960]  Yes, and it was, because I think that that's crucial,
[01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:19.960]  because a lot of what this comes back to is us bringing it back to that constitutional law.
[01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:22.960]  And if we really want to claim that that is at the root,
[01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:25.960]  then we would really have to be property owners,
[01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:32.960]  because that is what I believe a lot of the rights have been bested to constitutionally.
[01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:34.960]  I don't want to say rights for everybody,
[01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:36.960]  but to be most protected as a landowner,
[01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:41.960]  to be an elector, to really have a true working constitutional republic,
[01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:44.960]  that is what's necessary.
[01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:46.960]  Yeah, and it's kind of hard to own property
[01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:51.960]  if you're not exchanging something of value when you, quote, purchase it.
[01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:59.960]  Well, I think what Brian's getting to is we only hold title to the property.
[01:43:59.960 --> 01:44:03.960]  That's exactly what I was saying.
[01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:04.960]  Exactly my point.
[01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:06.960]  It's really not a problem that, you know,
[01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:12.960]  can't be solved by decorating a few lamp posts.
[01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:14.960]  Decorating a few lamp posts?
[01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:22.960]  Yeah, you know, with political bodies, so to speak, at the end of a rope.
[01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:27.960]  All through the proper channels, through the proper legal process, I'm sure.
[01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:28.960]  Indeed, yeah, you can.
[01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:34.960]  That's why I would love to hear you guys get an hour at a time on the broadcast
[01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:38.960]  to help them spread the word about doing the land patent
[01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:43.960]  and getting the property rights secured so we can truly restore a constitutional republic.
[01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:45.960]  Certainly something that I'm wanting to look into.
[01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:50.960]  Do you know anyone who has been able to achieve that?
[01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:54.960]  Me personally, well, I guess once removed,
[01:44:54.960 --> 01:45:00.960]  because I know Doyle, he's spoken many times on the air, different broadcasts.
[01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:02.960]  I think you guys would be worthy hosts.
[01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:05.960]  Some other hosts that I've heard have him on maybe haven't done them justice
[01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:10.960]  because didn't know good enough questions to really get, you know,
[01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:15.960]  a lot of work accomplished for listeners even to really comprehend what's needed.
[01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:20.960]  All right, well, send us some links to the website so we can look at his work.
[01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.960]  You can go to houratatime.com.
[01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:27.960]  They have a really good broadcast archive.
[01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:29.960]  You know, there's a hot shop,
[01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:36.960]  and it would be some really great broadcasts, a loyal title and land patent series.
[01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:39.960]  Okay, I guess I'm just looking for something that I can look at and read
[01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:44.960]  because I personally just really do not have time to listen to other people's archives.
[01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:46.960]  I mean, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I just don't.
[01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:49.960]  I mean, I need something that I can look at.
[01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:55.960]  I need something that I can look at, like see documents he's filed, cases he's won,
[01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:57.960]  or, you know, I need to look at his work.
[01:45:57.960 --> 01:45:59.960]  Do you want an e-mail address?
[01:45:59.960 --> 01:46:02.960]  Sure, just send it to me in an e-mail.
[01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:03.960]  Okay.
[01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:05.960]  All right, thank you.
[01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:06.960]  You're very welcome.
[01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:07.960]  And, yeah, thanks again.
[01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:08.960]  I'll be out now.
[01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:10.960]  Okay.
[01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.960]  All right, you have a good night.
[01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:14.960]  Okay, we have two more callers.
[01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.960]  It looks like we may finish up before midnight tonight.
[01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:20.960]  We're going to go to Dan in Connecticut.
[01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:21.960]  Hey, Dan, thanks for calling in.
[01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:23.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:25.960]  Oh, nothing much, nothing much.
[01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.960]  The LP convention went well, but I have a good news, bad news situation for you,
[01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:35.960]  and I just wanted your feedback on it.
[01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:41.960]  It looks like we've got a tea party protest planned on the steps of the Capitol in Hartford,
[01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:45.960]  Connecticut for July 4th, and Peter Schiff will be there.
[01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:50.960]  I know we're going to have the chairman for the Connecticut for Lieberman Party
[01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:52.960]  and a bunch of third parties there,
[01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:56.960]  and the Connecticut for Lieberman Party is none too pleased with the guy they're named after.
[01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.960]  But I ran into something very interesting.
[01:46:59.960 --> 01:47:06.960]  They want to charge us all kinds of crazy money just to hold the demonstration.
[01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:08.960]  A permit business, huh?
[01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:11.960]  Yeah, they basically want to hire, you know,
[01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:16.960]  because we're expecting the last protest that was there for a tea party was 5,000 people.
[01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:22.960]  So they want to hire five additional Capitol police for that day.
[01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.960]  And on top of that, I saw their fee schedule.
[01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:30.960]  You know, we would be bringing the extension cord and the podium and all that other fun stuff,
[01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:36.960]  but they're probably going to hire an electrician at $81 and some change an hour.
[01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:42.960]  And on top of that, if the event has more than 100 people, even if there's nothing to clean up,
[01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:46.960]  they're going to hire a maintenance groundskeeper person.
[01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:49.960]  And I sent this to the Libertarian Opinions List.
[01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:52.960]  We have a bunch of different organizations working on it.
[01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.960]  And one person replied, doesn't that kind of sound like a poll tax?
[01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:59.960]  And I said, well, yeah, it kind of does.
[01:47:59.960 --> 01:48:01.960]  It's public property.
[01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:04.960]  We're not asking them for anything.
[01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:06.960]  But what are your thoughts on that?
[01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:13.960]  I mean, they're charging us in the neighborhood of $1,600.
[01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:15.960]  I'm not sure.
[01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:16.960]  I don't know.
[01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:20.960]  I don't really know how to fight it.
[01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:26.960]  Do they have code that authorizes them to create these charges?
[01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:28.960]  Not that I can find.
[01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:30.960]  I was going to ask them about that.
[01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:32.960]  Do that.
[01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:35.960]  Do that in writing.
[01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:42.960]  Yeah, I'm corresponding totally through email because I figure if anything happens, I better have that.
[01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:48.960]  I figured that the appropriate thing to do before we just showed up is to just let them know,
[01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:50.960]  hey, this is a tea party rally.
[01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:55.960]  This isn't a flash mob, which I figured was the safe thing to do anyhow.
[01:48:55.960 --> 01:49:00.960]  But, you know, just the amount of charges, it looks like they want to apply to people.
[01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:04.960]  Now, this is, Dan, this is on the Capitol grounds?
[01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:05.960]  Yes.
[01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:09.960]  Now, you may want to look and see what your options are because I know,
[01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:16.960]  at least the last time I checked here in Austin at the Capitol, you do not need a permit.
[01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:21.960]  You do not need to pay any kind of monies or anything like that.
[01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:30.960]  If you plan on gathering there, as long as you don't intend on gathering on the Capitol steps
[01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:34.960]  or using any of their electricity, okay?
[01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:39.960]  But if you plan on having a gathering, a rally or whatever you want to call it on the grounds,
[01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:42.960]  they can't stop you and they can't charge you anything.
[01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:47.960]  But if you want to have a podium on the steps and have electricity in the sound system
[01:49:47.960 --> 01:49:51.960]  and be on the steps, then you have to go through all this permitting process.
[01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:54.960]  So you may want to figure out ways that you can circumvent that.
[01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:56.960]  Here's the interesting part.
[01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:01.960]  I did ask them alternatively, let's just hypothetically say we did it on the grounds
[01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:04.960]  and we didn't use any building facilities whatsoever.
[01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:09.960]  They still said I would have to go pay all that money and go through all that rigmarole.
[01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:11.960]  Interesting.
[01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:13.960]  Yeah, very interesting.
[01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:15.960]  There's a good chance they lied to you.
[01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:19.960]  Yeah, I'm going to hammer that out very quickly.
[01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:22.960]  You may want to be, you know, you may want to offer them alternatives,
[01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:26.960]  like offer them that you guys will clean up after yourselves or whatever.
[01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:34.960]  And, you know, then if the grounds are not in sufficient order afterwards,
[01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:37.960]  that they feel they have to hire someone to clean up after you,
[01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:39.960]  then they can charge you, you know,
[01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:42.960]  but you may want to offer that you guys will clean up after yourselves.
[01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:46.960]  Yeah, because I thought, you know, based on the fee schedule,
[01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.960]  it could end up being $2,000.
[01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:53.960]  And I know times are tight for the people who are obviously doing this
[01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.960]  because they're just taxed to death up here.
[01:50:56.960 --> 01:50:59.960]  But, you know, I'm kind of wondering, like,
[01:50:59.960 --> 01:51:02.960]  and I mentioned this to the guy who raised the issue, you know,
[01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:04.960]  and he said this sounds like a poll stack.
[01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:09.960]  I said if I knew I'd be doing this at that date probably a year ago,
[01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:13.960]  I'd already be in court right now probably in all likelihood.
[01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:18.960]  But, you know, it's just so damn close and it would be too bad
[01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:20.960]  because you've got a lot of good speakers lined up
[01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:26.960]  and there's going to be a lot of people there.
[01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.960]  Well, don't let them get away with it if they can't produce a statute.
[01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:30.960]  Oh, most definitely not.
[01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:34.960]  Because they can't do what they're doing without it.
[01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:35.960]  Most definitely not.
[01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:41.960]  Yeah, I just wanted your feedback on that and I'll let you get your last caller.
[01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:42.960]  All right, thank you, Dan.
[01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:45.960]  Yeah, I would just check up on what they're really telling you.
[01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:48.960]  Yeah, I'm going to look into that right now.
[01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:52.960]  It sounds really like they're just making stuff up.
[01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:56.960]  Yeah, it's very possible, highly likely.
[01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:57.960]  Okay.
[01:51:57.960 --> 01:51:58.960]  Well, have a good show.
[01:51:58.960 --> 01:51:59.960]  Okay.
[01:51:59.960 --> 01:52:00.960]  See you guys later.
[01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:01.960]  Thank you.
[01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:02.960]  Have a good night.
[01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:03.960]  Okay, we're going to go to our last caller here.
[01:52:03.960 --> 01:52:05.960]  Jessica in Texas.
[01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:06.960]  Hey, Jessica, thanks for calling in.
[01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:08.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:10.960]  Well, this is my second call in tonight,
[01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:13.960]  so do you want to take a second call from me tonight?
[01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:14.960]  Sure, go ahead.
[01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:15.960]  You're our last caller.
[01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:17.960]  Okay.
[01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:26.960]  I have just heard that there's a Senate bill that was passed where something was tacked on at the last minute
[01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:32.960]  that allows child protection services and the police to come in warrantless at any moment in time.
[01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:33.960]  Yeah, 1440.
[01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:34.960]  Yeah, 1440.
[01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:36.960]  It was tacked on to that at the very last minute.
[01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:48.960]  And how in the world can they actually pass that if it blatantly is search and seizure with no warrant?
[01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:52.960]  And how can they pass that like that?
[01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:59.960]  Well, unfortunately, Congress, our legislature at the state level and the federal level,
[01:52:59.960 --> 01:53:08.960]  they can pass whatever laws they want no matter how draconian or heinous or unconstitutional or immoral they may seem,
[01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:13.960]  and it's up to the courts to adjudicate them and strike them down as unconstitutional.
[01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:22.960]  And the thing with this bill is that the courts have already adjudicated this type of activity as unconstitutional,
[01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:28.960]  and this was in the case of the 400 children that got seized last year.
[01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:34.960]  All right, so now the legislature is trying to pass the law to get around that court ruling,
[01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:38.960]  and unfortunately, it's going to have to go to the court system again.
[01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:40.960]  I mean, it's not going to stand.
[01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:44.960]  It won't stand in court, but unfortunately, I'm afraid people are going to have to get hurt
[01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:49.960]  and take it into court in order for this law to get struck down.
[01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:54.960]  And that seems to be somewhat of a flaw here because, you know,
[01:53:54.960 --> 01:54:00.960]  we can have the courts strike down all these laws, and the legislature just keeps passing identical laws or similar laws,
[01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:03.960]  and they just have to keep getting struck down again.
[01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:09.960]  So it is – that's just kind of the way it is until we manage to get control of our elections
[01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:13.960]  with hand-counted paper ballots and vote these rogues out of office.
[01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:16.960]  So they stop passing these kinds of laws.
[01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:19.960]  Well, I've actually got a suggestion about that.
[01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:20.960]  Go ahead, Eddie.
[01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:25.960]  That is that instead of letting them get away with passing these laws,
[01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:29.960]  they have to have probable cause to issue a warrant, right?
[01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:37.960]  So make them stipulate the constitutional authority for any law that they're attempting to pass
[01:54:37.960 --> 01:54:39.960]  before they're allowed to vote on it.
[01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:40.960]  That would be nice.
[01:54:40.960 --> 01:54:45.960]  If the authority for the law cannot be found within the state or federal constitution,
[01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:50.960]  then it is automatically null and void and may not even reach a vote.
[01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:53.960]  Well, how are we going to make that happen, Eddie?
[01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:55.960]  We get that into the state constitution.
[01:54:55.960 --> 01:55:00.960]  We get us a constitutional convention going here in Texas, and we get it altered.
[01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:03.960]  Well, can we have an amendment without having a constitutional convention?
[01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:09.960]  That kind of worries me, the constitutional convention thing, because then the whole thing's up for grabs.
[01:55:09.960 --> 01:55:10.960]  Well, that's true.
[01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:15.960]  But the way they've changed so much of it from the one that we're supposed to have,
[01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:18.960]  that might not necessarily be a bad thing.
[01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:22.960]  They've written it to sound more like a – I'm sorry?
[01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:25.960]  Could it just be a constitutional amendment?
[01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:26.960]  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:30.960]  Maybe we could just propose an amendment.
[01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:35.960]  I'm pretty leery of these constitutional conventions because it just throws the whole thing up for grabs.
[01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:36.960]  Well, right.
[01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:43.960]  But I mean, look at the things they've amended so far, which there's no way you're going to convince me that the people of Texas voted on.
[01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:46.960]  The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,
[01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:51.960]  except the state has the right to regulate the wearing of arms with an eye towards crime prevention.
[01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:54.960]  In other words, we can do what the heck we want with the state.
[01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:59.960]  We don't care what the rest of it says, and so on and so forth.
[01:55:59.960 --> 01:56:02.960]  Add valorem taxes and so on and so forth.
[01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:04.960]  There's lots and lots of areas.
[01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:10.960]  I mean, we've probably got one of the longest constitutions in the USA here in Texas
[01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:21.960]  because they have thrown so much garbage in to give them so many loopholes to do things that they were never intended to be empowered to do to begin with.
[01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:41.960]  I guess I have one other thing, and that is that Perry, I believe it was passed about the patrolman or the highway piracy law to keep the police from stealing things from people that they stopped on the road.
[01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:52.960]  That was my understanding of it since I've heard that people have been being robbed by the occasional policemen on the side of the road.
[01:56:52.960 --> 01:57:03.960]  So why would it have to get to that level before those police officers were taken care of?
[01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:10.960]  Well, because they're being backed by the same people that would have to prosecute them.
[01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:21.960]  The district attorney here out in Tenney Hall, which is just not too far from me, about 30 miles, is actually covering their behind by saying they did absolutely nothing wrong.
[01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:24.960]  Even though they steal money and watches?
[01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:26.960]  They stole more than that.
[01:57:26.960 --> 01:57:31.960]  They stole an RV over in Tenney Hall.
[01:57:31.960 --> 01:57:35.960]  And I mean, she's saying there's nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with that.
[01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:39.960]  And that's the district attorney.
[01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:42.960]  So the problem is that that's where we're back down to.
[01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:53.960]  Why I say the Constitutional Convention may not be a totally bad thing is because if we do it correctly this round and go back to the things the way they should have been set up and left,
[01:57:53.960 --> 01:58:00.960]  then we can take people like this and we can start throwing them so far under the jail, we have to pipe them some way.
[01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:05.960]  Man, I would like to see the Constitution being enforced at the least.
[01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:11.960]  Yeah, you got to be able to understand the Texas Constitution in order to enforce it.
[01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:15.960]  And believe me, that's a chore the way it's written right now.
[01:58:15.960 --> 01:58:18.960]  All right. Well, listen, Jessica, thank you for calling.
[01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:19.960]  We're at the end of the show.
[01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:21.960]  So we're going to let you go since there's no other callers.
[01:58:21.960 --> 01:58:23.960]  OK, thank you.
[01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:24.960]  All right. Thank you.
[01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:26.960]  You're welcome to call back in on Monday.
[01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:28.960]  All right. This is the rule of law.
[01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:34.960]  We're not going into overtime mode tonight because apparently we answered everyone's questions so far to this point.
[01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:37.960]  So feel free to call back in Monday night.
[01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:42.960]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens and Eddie Craig.
[01:58:42.960 --> 01:59:05.960]  We'll see you all on Monday.
[01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:39.960]  Yeah.
[01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:56.960]  Yeah.