ROL_2009-05-15_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:05.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:05.000 --> 00:12.000]  In Guatemala, a sensational video has emerged in which a now-murdered lawyer, Rodrigo Rosenberg,
[00:12.000 --> 00:16.000]  accuses President Alvaro Colón of masterminding his killing.
[00:16.000 --> 00:23.000]  The video hit the airwaves and internet soon after the lawyer's bullet-riddled body was found Sunday.
[00:23.000 --> 00:31.000]  In Nigeria, militants are holding 15 foreigners hostage in the oil-rich Niger Delta as MEND,
[00:31.000 --> 00:37.000]  the country's main rebel group, reiterated a warning to oil companies to evacuate staff
[00:37.000 --> 00:40.000]  or face a hurricane of attacks.
[00:40.000 --> 00:46.000]  Dick Cheney's request to have declassified documents that he says will prove torture is effective
[00:46.000 --> 00:47.000]  has been denied.
[00:47.000 --> 00:54.000]  The CIA informed the National Archives that the documents are the subject of a Freedom of Information Act request
[00:54.000 --> 00:56.000]  and therefore cannot be released.
[00:56.000 --> 01:00.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:00.000 --> 01:06.000]  While people rejoice at the release of U.S. journalist Roxana Saberi from an Iranian jail this week,
[01:06.000 --> 01:11.000]  it turns out Saberi had indeed committed the serious offenses she was accused of.
[01:11.000 --> 01:18.000]  One of Saberi's attorneys, Saleh Nibarkd, confirmed that Saberi, who was arrested for illegally purchasing
[01:18.000 --> 01:22.000]  a bottle of wine, was later found to possess classified documents.
[01:22.000 --> 01:31.000]  Her lead defense attorney, Abdoz Ahmed Khorram Shahi, said her client had accepted that she made a mistake
[01:31.000 --> 01:34.000]  and got access to documents she should not have.
[01:34.000 --> 01:41.000]  The documents from Iran's expediency council were secret reports of aspects of Iraq under U.S. occupation.
[01:41.000 --> 01:46.000]  She had admitted the offense during interrogations, apologized for her actions,
[01:46.000 --> 01:49.000]  claiming she obtained the documents out of curiosity.
[01:49.000 --> 01:56.000]  Analysts say Saberi's release appears to be the result of diplomacy between Tehran and Washington.
[01:56.000 --> 02:01.000]  She was subject to far greater degree of due legal process than the many Iranians
[02:01.000 --> 02:05.000]  who have been kidnapped by the U.S. in recent years.
[02:11.000 --> 02:18.000]  Congressional testimony this week showed private CIA contractors were a driving force behind torture.
[02:18.000 --> 02:24.000]  Although there are lawsuits against military contractors involved in prisoner abuse,
[02:24.000 --> 02:29.000]  there has been far less legal action against contractors who work for the CIA.
[02:29.000 --> 02:36.000]  American Civil Liberties Union attorney Ben Weisner believes this is largely because of the secrecy
[02:36.000 --> 02:40.000]  that has surrounded the CIA's interrogation and detention program.
[02:40.000 --> 02:47.000]  Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have said CIA agents who follow the Justice Department's
[02:47.000 --> 03:00.000]  legal advice won't be prosecuted, but have said nothing about contractors.
[04:17.000 --> 04:28.000]  All right, this is the rule of law, Rainey Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[04:28.000 --> 04:33.000]  Tonight we have two very special guests.
[04:33.000 --> 04:38.000]  This is a very high profile mainstream media case, Annette Lundeby,
[04:38.000 --> 04:43.000]  and this is concerning her son Ashton Lundeby,
[04:43.000 --> 04:49.000]  who's being held, and it's not really clear whether it's a patriot act or not,
[04:49.000 --> 04:54.000]  but there's a lot of funny stuff going on here,
[04:54.000 --> 04:59.000]  and Tony and I have reviewed some of the documents of the case,
[04:59.000 --> 05:06.000]  and so what we want to do is just present some facts as far as a timetable of what happened,
[05:06.000 --> 05:11.000]  as far as what hearings have been had, where he's being held,
[05:11.000 --> 05:16.000]  what they're trying to do now, the crap, the slimy crap,
[05:16.000 --> 05:22.000]  that this defense attorney has been pulling, and the whole thing.
[05:22.000 --> 05:28.000]  So Annette, if you would just start off and tell us like where, you know,
[05:28.000 --> 05:32.000]  the FBI came and busted in your house and took them, and so...
[05:32.000 --> 05:34.000]  Yeah, they didn't bust down any doors.
[05:34.000 --> 05:39.000]  That's been quoted as I've said that, but that's not what I said.
[05:39.000 --> 05:41.000]  They did come to the door.
[05:41.000 --> 05:49.000]  They sent two North Carolina Highway Patrolmen to the door under a roof asking for my son,
[05:49.000 --> 05:56.000]  saying my son hit and run someone's car, and I said, no, actually,
[05:56.000 --> 06:00.000]  somebody hit and run my son's car earlier in January,
[06:00.000 --> 06:04.000]  and they said, well, we need to talk to your son.
[06:04.000 --> 06:10.000]  So then I proceeded to go to get him, and then that's when the FBI,
[06:10.000 --> 06:13.000]  they did storm into my house.
[06:13.000 --> 06:18.000]  They came running in like ants to a queen bee.
[06:18.000 --> 06:21.000]  They were just coming from everywhere.
[06:21.000 --> 06:25.000]  There were, you know, there were 12 of them that I know.
[06:25.000 --> 06:33.000]  Well, it was two Highway Patrolmen, one deputy sheriff, and 10, I believe, nine agents.
[06:33.000 --> 06:36.000]  From the FBI.
[06:36.000 --> 06:40.000]  They had terrorist task force written on their jackets with their weapons,
[06:40.000 --> 06:50.000]  but they were not drawn, but they were, they interrupted us at 10 o'clock at night on March the 5th.
[06:50.000 --> 06:53.000]  All right, and where did they take him?
[06:53.000 --> 07:00.000]  They took him to, well, I didn't even know that for a while, Wake County Jail.
[07:00.000 --> 07:01.000]  Which county jail?
[07:01.000 --> 07:05.000]  Wake County, in Wake County, North Carolina, in Raleigh.
[07:05.000 --> 07:06.000]  Raleigh, okay.
[07:06.000 --> 07:09.000]  That's where the federal court is in Raleigh.
[07:09.000 --> 07:13.000]  Okay.
[07:13.000 --> 07:19.000]  We had, I wasn't allowed, my phone rang that night, and I was told to hang the phone up.
[07:19.000 --> 07:21.000]  I couldn't talk on the phone.
[07:21.000 --> 07:24.000]  I once called an attorney, and I wasn't allowed to use the phone.
[07:24.000 --> 07:27.000]  Okay, who told you that?
[07:27.000 --> 07:28.000]  The FBI.
[07:28.000 --> 07:31.000]  Okay, FBI agent said you could not use the phone?
[07:31.000 --> 07:33.000]  Yeah, get off the phone.
[07:33.000 --> 07:35.000]  You could not talk to an attorney?
[07:35.000 --> 07:37.000]  I could not talk to anybody.
[07:37.000 --> 07:42.000]  They didn't use the word attorney, but put the phone down, down to down.
[07:42.000 --> 07:48.000]  With 12 men that have weapons, I did as I was told to sit down.
[07:48.000 --> 07:50.000]  What was on their uniforms?
[07:50.000 --> 07:52.000]  Excuse me?
[07:52.000 --> 07:54.000]  What was on their uniforms, on their vests?
[07:54.000 --> 07:55.000]  What was on their vests?
[07:55.000 --> 07:57.000]  Terrorist task force.
[07:57.000 --> 08:01.000]  Terrorist task force, okay.
[08:01.000 --> 08:06.000]  And the Highway Patrol also was with the terrorist task force.
[08:06.000 --> 08:09.000]  The Highway Patrol misled you whenever they came in, you know,
[08:09.000 --> 08:14.000]  with the idea that they were looking for a hit-and-run accident,
[08:14.000 --> 08:16.000]  and that's how they got into the house, right?
[08:16.000 --> 08:17.000]  Correct.
[08:17.000 --> 08:18.000]  Okay.
[08:18.000 --> 08:24.000]  But now I will say, in defense of the North Carolina Highway Patrol,
[08:24.000 --> 08:28.000]  I was glad that they were here with them,
[08:28.000 --> 08:31.000]  because I'm afraid of what would have happened,
[08:31.000 --> 08:36.000]  because they run a fairly straight and narrow road here,
[08:36.000 --> 08:42.000]  and they were the only people that showed any kind of mercy or kindness to me.
[08:42.000 --> 08:43.000]  Really?
[08:43.000 --> 08:44.000]  Yeah.
[08:44.000 --> 08:50.000]  I mean, I'm a very good judge of character, and I can read,
[08:50.000 --> 08:52.000]  and these guys were so nice.
[08:52.000 --> 08:57.000]  They made me some coffee because I was so nervous and so upset.
[08:57.000 --> 09:01.000]  I mean, I kept it under control because all I had to do,
[09:01.000 --> 09:11.000]  because of my previous law training, I graduated at 120 in Pennsylvania
[09:11.000 --> 09:19.000]  as a police officer, that all I had to do was make one wrong move,
[09:19.000 --> 09:24.000]  and it would have been over for me and my children when they had any parents.
[09:24.000 --> 09:25.000]  True.
[09:25.000 --> 09:28.000]  And it would have been their word against their 12th,
[09:28.000 --> 09:30.000]  and you know who would have won there.
[09:30.000 --> 09:32.000]  Yeah, you would never have won that one.
[09:32.000 --> 09:36.000]  That would have been the end of that, but close.
[09:36.000 --> 09:41.000]  And I think in their defense, I'm not defending the FBI at all,
[09:41.000 --> 09:49.000]  but just in the task force said, you know, we had to do this, you know.
[09:49.000 --> 09:54.000]  You're fortunate the North Carolina police were there.
[09:54.000 --> 09:59.000]  That's where I am grateful that they were there because they kept...
[09:59.000 --> 10:04.000]  I had bought a State Highway Patrolman's house, the house I live in,
[10:04.000 --> 10:08.000]  and my next door neighbor is a highway patrolman, and we were very good friends.
[10:08.000 --> 10:14.000]  My son rode to school with them two years before that,
[10:14.000 --> 10:17.000]  and they were good friends, and they know.
[10:17.000 --> 10:25.000]  Yeah, it's good to know that, you know, there are some good guys involved in this case.
[10:25.000 --> 10:32.000]  Annette, okay, so they moved your son to custody in Indiana,
[10:32.000 --> 10:38.000]  South Bend, Indiana, as a matter of fact, which is where our newest affiliate is.
[10:38.000 --> 10:39.000]  What a coincidence.
[10:39.000 --> 10:43.000]  We have a brand-new affiliate in South Bend, Indiana, an AM station,
[10:43.000 --> 10:47.000]  just joined on last week, but at any rate...
[10:47.000 --> 10:49.000]  What is that station, Dina?
[10:49.000 --> 10:52.000]  I don't know what the frequency is yet.
[10:52.000 --> 10:59.000]  But okay, this original hearing was a detention hearing, the one in North Carolina.
[10:59.000 --> 11:00.000]  Is that correct?
[11:00.000 --> 11:01.000]  Correct.
[11:01.000 --> 11:08.000]  Okay, and at this detention hearing, this Federal Magistrate Gates,
[11:08.000 --> 11:15.000]  James Gates, issued a gag order from what you told me earlier.
[11:15.000 --> 11:20.000]  This is my understanding that a gag order was issued to prohibit the FBI
[11:20.000 --> 11:25.000]  or the U.S. Attorney or the defense attorney of your son
[11:25.000 --> 11:30.000]  from talking to you or anyone else about the case.
[11:30.000 --> 11:32.000]  Now, at first this was kind of puzzling to me
[11:32.000 --> 11:39.000]  because there's already federal statute on the books to seal cases
[11:39.000 --> 11:43.000]  when there's a minor involved that's accused to protect the minor
[11:43.000 --> 11:46.000]  from having his reputation ruined for the rest of his life or whatever
[11:46.000 --> 11:48.000]  for something, a mistake he made as a kid.
[11:48.000 --> 11:54.000]  All right, so there's really no need to issue a gag order except for one reason,
[11:54.000 --> 11:58.000]  to keep you from being able to find out anything about the case.
[11:58.000 --> 12:00.000]  That's exactly why.
[12:00.000 --> 12:02.000]  They did not want me, they even said it,
[12:02.000 --> 12:05.000]  that they did not want me to have any information concerning the case.
[12:05.000 --> 12:09.000]  Okay, well see, that's illegal though because you are the legal guardian.
[12:09.000 --> 12:11.000]  You're the legal custodial parent.
[12:11.000 --> 12:17.000]  I haven't been told anything.
[12:17.000 --> 12:23.000]  And if people just do not think that this was not the Patriot Act,
[12:23.000 --> 12:28.000]  even his own attorney admitted, you know, so what if it is?
[12:28.000 --> 12:29.000]  So what?
[12:29.000 --> 12:36.000]  I said, well, you know, like you said, if it walks like a duck, clacks like a duck, it's a duck.
[12:36.000 --> 12:42.000]  Well, Tony, I wanted to ask you, Tony's read some of these documents.
[12:42.000 --> 12:50.000]  You had to sign a document in order to allow the feds to give your son
[12:50.000 --> 12:54.000]  a polygraph test and a psyche valve.
[12:54.000 --> 12:57.000]  Now obviously they had to have your permission, right?
[12:57.000 --> 12:58.000]  No, just a minute.
[12:58.000 --> 13:01.000]  No, the FBI did not give him a polygraph test.
[13:01.000 --> 13:03.000]  Correct that.
[13:03.000 --> 13:04.000]  Correct that.
[13:04.000 --> 13:06.000]  Well, that's on the document.
[13:06.000 --> 13:08.000]  It says something about that, but they never did it.
[13:08.000 --> 13:09.000]  No, he didn't do it.
[13:09.000 --> 13:10.000]  Oh, okay, okay.
[13:10.000 --> 13:11.000]  Correct that.
[13:11.000 --> 13:12.000]  Good, good.
[13:12.000 --> 13:17.000]  Was that his choice or the government's choice?
[13:17.000 --> 13:20.000]  I'd rather not talk about that right now.
[13:20.000 --> 13:24.000]  Okay.
[13:24.000 --> 13:30.000]  Do you understand how you get polygraph evidence on the record?
[13:30.000 --> 13:31.000]  No.
[13:31.000 --> 13:36.000]  Okay, what you do is that you publish it and then all the content becomes public knowledge
[13:36.000 --> 13:38.000]  and then it's not admittable.
[13:38.000 --> 13:42.000]  Just the polygraph test by itself is not admissible evidence.
[13:42.000 --> 13:43.000]  No.
[13:43.000 --> 13:46.000]  But if you publish it, okay, like you put it in the newspaper
[13:46.000 --> 13:50.000]  or you put it in a classified ad or you do something like that,
[13:50.000 --> 13:52.000]  then it becomes admissible evidence.
[13:52.000 --> 13:59.000]  That's exactly what happened in the case with the girl in Washington about five years ago.
[13:59.000 --> 14:03.000]  No, that was not ever done.
[14:03.000 --> 14:05.000]  We didn't do nothing.
[14:05.000 --> 14:06.000]  All I'm saying is this.
[14:06.000 --> 14:08.000]  If you want it, it's evidence.
[14:08.000 --> 14:09.000]  No, I don't.
[14:09.000 --> 14:10.000]  I mean, it's up to you.
[14:10.000 --> 14:11.000]  I'm just telling you.
[14:11.000 --> 14:13.000]  If you want it, it's evidence.
[14:13.000 --> 14:16.000]  And then what you do is then you put it in public information
[14:16.000 --> 14:22.000]  and all of a sudden it's admissible evidence.
[14:22.000 --> 14:23.000]  No.
[14:23.000 --> 14:24.000]  I'm not saying you want it.
[14:24.000 --> 14:27.000]  I'm just telling you how to do it.
[14:27.000 --> 14:28.000]  Yeah.
[14:28.000 --> 14:29.000]  Okay.
[14:29.000 --> 14:30.000]  Okay.
[14:30.000 --> 14:31.000]  All right.
[14:31.000 --> 14:36.000]  And that's what happened in the case where Sondra, I don't really remember her last name now,
[14:36.000 --> 14:43.000]  but the girl that was living with the senator and then disappeared in the park.
[14:43.000 --> 14:46.000]  And so then they were going to accuse him of murder.
[14:46.000 --> 14:49.000]  And then the first thing his attorneys did is they did a polygraph test
[14:49.000 --> 14:53.000]  and then they published it in a newspaper.
[14:53.000 --> 14:54.000]  Okay.
[14:54.000 --> 14:55.000]  Okay.
[14:55.000 --> 15:00.000]  And then all of a sudden it became admissible evidence because it was public knowledge.
[15:00.000 --> 15:01.000]  Okay.
[15:01.000 --> 15:02.000]  I'm not telling you to do that.
[15:02.000 --> 15:07.000]  I'm just telling you if you need information from a polygraph test
[15:07.000 --> 15:10.000]  that you have to put it in public record.
[15:10.000 --> 15:11.000]  Okay.
[15:11.000 --> 15:13.000]  Okay.
[15:13.000 --> 15:14.000]  Yeah.
[15:14.000 --> 15:18.000]  And I wasn't trying to say a minute ago that your son took a polygraph test.
[15:18.000 --> 15:22.000]  I just was noticing that the letter that they wrote you,
[15:22.000 --> 15:25.000]  they were asking for you to give your permission.
[15:25.000 --> 15:26.000]  That's all I was saying.
[15:26.000 --> 15:27.000]  Yeah.
[15:27.000 --> 15:30.000]  Yeah.
[15:30.000 --> 15:32.000]  I did not want that to happen.
[15:32.000 --> 15:33.000]  Okay.
[15:33.000 --> 15:36.000]  Because my sister got taken hostage in a bank robbery
[15:36.000 --> 15:44.000]  and she had flunked the polygraph test and she was just a bank teller.
[15:44.000 --> 15:50.000]  So she had been through that and we just didn't think that was a good idea.
[15:50.000 --> 15:51.000]  I understand.
[15:51.000 --> 15:55.000]  I'm not saying it's a smart move or a bad move or anything.
[15:55.000 --> 16:00.000]  I just understand that there's a certain way that if you decide you do it,
[16:00.000 --> 16:01.000]  that you get it on the record.
[16:01.000 --> 16:02.000]  Yeah.
[16:02.000 --> 16:06.000]  I didn't listen in favor of it because he's a 16-year-old kid.
[16:06.000 --> 16:09.000]  You know, to be nervous or I mean.
[16:09.000 --> 16:10.000]  Very nervous.
[16:10.000 --> 16:12.000]  He's never been away from mama.
[16:12.000 --> 16:13.000]  Yeah.
[16:13.000 --> 16:15.000]  He sleeps with his teddy bear.
[16:15.000 --> 16:19.000]  And the only reason I even brought that up was just to make the point that
[16:19.000 --> 16:22.000]  they had to ask you if they wanted to do that.
[16:22.000 --> 16:26.000]  So that proves in and of itself that you do have power here,
[16:26.000 --> 16:28.000]  that you have authority here.
[16:28.000 --> 16:29.000]  You are absolutely right, Debra.
[16:29.000 --> 16:31.000]  You are absolutely right.
[16:31.000 --> 16:35.000]  But for them to say that I have no power
[16:35.000 --> 16:38.000]  and then they speak out both sides of their mouth.
[16:38.000 --> 16:39.000]  Right, right.
[16:39.000 --> 16:43.000]  You know, I have no power here.
[16:43.000 --> 16:44.000]  Okay.
[16:44.000 --> 16:45.000]  Well, listen.
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[19:03.000 --> 19:05.000]  Okay, we are back.
[19:05.000 --> 19:07.000]  The rule of law.
[19:07.000 --> 19:08.000]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[19:08.000 --> 19:10.000]  We're here with Tony Davis.
[19:10.000 --> 19:11.000]  Hello.
[19:11.000 --> 19:12.000]  Yeah, hey Tony.
[19:12.000 --> 19:15.000]  And we're also here with Annette Lundby.
[19:15.000 --> 19:16.000]  Okay.
[19:16.000 --> 19:23.000]  And we are talking about what's been going on with the case with your son, Annette.
[19:23.000 --> 19:31.000]  And yeah, mainly the only point I had to make about the letter is that they had to ask you if they wanted to do that
[19:31.000 --> 19:34.000]  so that shows that you do have authority here.
[19:34.000 --> 19:41.000]  Now there were two other hearings and what happened with these two hearings?
[19:41.000 --> 19:46.000]  They had a status hearing that I did not know about, I was not informed about.
[19:46.000 --> 19:53.000]  They had a, just a motion to move under the Spreedy Trial Law.
[19:53.000 --> 20:03.000]  My attorney had it moved to, it was supposed to have been April the 23rd and they moved it to May the 22nd.
[20:03.000 --> 20:13.000]  And he made that motion without my knowledge or without consulting me and lied to me and went on vacation.
[20:13.000 --> 20:21.000]  So he told the judge that I just wasn't there and he had told me not to come, which was an absolute out and out lie.
[20:21.000 --> 20:23.000]  You need to get rid of him.
[20:23.000 --> 20:25.000]  I would have been there.
[20:25.000 --> 20:26.000]  Oh, you're right.
[20:26.000 --> 20:28.000]  I need to get rid of him.
[20:28.000 --> 20:29.000]  I've been trying.
[20:29.000 --> 20:31.000]  Well, there's a simple way to do it.
[20:31.000 --> 20:33.000]  Yeah, Tony, can you speak up a little bit too, please?
[20:33.000 --> 20:34.000]  Oh, sure.
[20:34.000 --> 20:35.000]  I'm sorry.
[20:35.000 --> 20:36.000]  Okay.
[20:36.000 --> 20:37.000]  Hi, Tony.
[20:37.000 --> 20:38.000]  How are you?
[20:38.000 --> 20:39.000]  Hi.
[20:39.000 --> 20:40.000]  I'm sorry.
[20:40.000 --> 20:42.000]  This attorney was appointed by the government, right?
[20:42.000 --> 20:43.000]  Correct.
[20:43.000 --> 20:47.000]  Well, you know, he's got two strikes against him to start out with.
[20:47.000 --> 20:48.000]  I know.
[20:48.000 --> 20:51.000]  Okay, so basically he's nothing more than a plant for the government.
[20:51.000 --> 20:53.000]  He's a puppet.
[20:53.000 --> 20:54.000]  Yeah, sure.
[20:54.000 --> 20:57.000]  You need to get rid of him because he's going to sell your son down the river.
[20:57.000 --> 20:59.000]  Oh, I don't know.
[20:59.000 --> 21:04.000]  He already started doing that and we've had some long conversations.
[21:04.000 --> 21:05.000]  Okay.
[21:05.000 --> 21:12.000]  What you need to do is prepare a questionnaire and send the questionnaire to him and start asking him specific questions.
[21:12.000 --> 21:13.000]  Okay.
[21:13.000 --> 21:18.000]  Okay, I'll give you some of them if you want me to give them now, but, you know, I can give them to Deborah
[21:18.000 --> 21:19.000]  and she can send them to you.
[21:19.000 --> 21:22.000]  I don't care, but thank you.
[21:22.000 --> 21:24.000]  Let me tell you what happened in the case.
[21:24.000 --> 21:33.000]  You know, we were asked to come in on a tax case in Las Vegas three, four months ago, okay?
[21:33.000 --> 21:35.000]  So the guy called me and he said, well, what do I do?
[21:35.000 --> 21:39.000]  He said, the court has appointed me counsel.
[21:39.000 --> 21:41.000]  And he said, so now I've got a female counsel.
[21:41.000 --> 21:43.000]  And I said, well, it doesn't matter if it's male or female.
[21:43.000 --> 21:45.000]  I don't really care.
[21:45.000 --> 21:48.000]  Okay, but here's what I care about.
[21:48.000 --> 21:51.000]  He said, okay, tell me how to handle it.
[21:51.000 --> 21:57.000]  And I said, okay, well, let's make a list of questions to ask them.
[21:57.000 --> 22:05.000]  Okay, and so what I did is I said, tell the judge and the judge has appointed you this counsel.
[22:05.000 --> 22:08.000]  It's probably a plan of some kind.
[22:08.000 --> 22:11.000]  In other words, it's nothing more than a puppet for the court.
[22:11.000 --> 22:16.000]  Okay, so I said, you need to get her out and ask her some questions.
[22:16.000 --> 22:20.000]  Okay, so he said, Your Honor, do you mind if I can interview my counsel?
[22:20.000 --> 22:22.000]  And the judge said, sure, go ahead.
[22:22.000 --> 22:28.000]  So he took her out into the foyer or into some separate room.
[22:28.000 --> 22:32.000]  And he says, I need to ask you some questions as my counsel now.
[22:32.000 --> 22:34.000]  And she said, sure, go ahead.
[22:34.000 --> 22:44.000]  And the first question he asked her is, will you certify before the court that you will uphold my constitutional rights?
[22:44.000 --> 22:48.000]  He's already said that that didn't matter.
[22:48.000 --> 22:49.000]  Well, I know.
[22:49.000 --> 22:53.000]  But anyway, so this counsel got up and said, I can't represent you.
[22:53.000 --> 22:55.000]  I'm leaving.
[22:55.000 --> 22:57.000]  Okay.
[22:57.000 --> 22:58.000]  Okay.
[22:58.000 --> 22:59.000]  That's the first question.
[22:59.000 --> 23:00.000]  Okay.
[23:00.000 --> 23:01.000]  Okay.
[23:01.000 --> 23:06.000]  He said it doesn't matter if he will uphold your constitutional rights.
[23:06.000 --> 23:09.000]  Then you move to dismiss the counsel.
[23:09.000 --> 23:13.000]  And there's plenty of case law in that, all Supreme Court stuff.
[23:13.000 --> 23:14.000]  Yeah.
[23:14.000 --> 23:27.000]  I've quoted Supreme Court laws to him already, even starting as far back as GALT v. U.S. to VATEC, V-I-T-E-K v. U.S.
[23:27.000 --> 23:29.000]  Council of Choice.
[23:29.000 --> 23:30.000]  And this is Supreme Court.
[23:30.000 --> 23:35.000]  I have looked up every case law and quoted it to him, and he just doesn't care.
[23:35.000 --> 23:37.000]  He doesn't care about what?
[23:37.000 --> 23:39.000]  He doesn't care about the Constitution.
[23:39.000 --> 23:43.000]  Well, if he doesn't care about the Constitution, your son's screwed.
[23:43.000 --> 23:44.000]  You're right.
[23:44.000 --> 23:45.000]  I already knew that.
[23:45.000 --> 23:48.000]  Tony, is there a way that she can fire the attorney?
[23:48.000 --> 23:49.000]  Yes.
[23:49.000 --> 23:50.000]  She needs the terminating.
[23:50.000 --> 23:52.000]  How would she do that?
[23:52.000 --> 23:55.000]  Come in as guardian and file a notice of termination.
[23:55.000 --> 24:00.000]  He needs to do the same thing, file a notice of termination.
[24:00.000 --> 24:09.000]  If you want me to find him a civil rights attorney that's honest, okay, I can do that.
[24:09.000 --> 24:18.000]  But if this attorney says he doesn't care about the Constitution, then he has no chance whatsoever.
[24:18.000 --> 24:19.000]  Oh, I knew that.
[24:19.000 --> 24:26.000]  When he told me, when he made the comment to me, I said, yeah, this is the Patriot Act, he says, I don't care.
[24:26.000 --> 24:29.000]  Who cares if it's the Patriot Act?
[24:29.000 --> 24:37.000]  I mean, and I've told him, you know, we all know that the Patriot Act overrides our Constitutional lines,
[24:37.000 --> 24:45.000]  bottom line, and anybody that does not realize that, you know, has got their head in the sands.
[24:45.000 --> 24:55.000]  And it's just absolutely outrageous that a minor Constitutional rights are being violated.
[24:55.000 --> 25:03.000]  And this is just a prophecy of things to come.
[25:03.000 --> 25:05.000]  This attorney is going to tell him down the river.
[25:05.000 --> 25:06.000]  He's already told you that.
[25:06.000 --> 25:07.000]  Yeah, I already knew that.
[25:07.000 --> 25:10.000]  I knew that from day one.
[25:10.000 --> 25:14.000]  And I have thought that's why I went to the media.
[25:14.000 --> 25:18.000]  That's why I chose to expose my son's name and go to the media.
[25:18.000 --> 25:19.000]  Okay.
[25:19.000 --> 25:24.000]  Now, Tony, would she file this document with the clerk of the court or present it to the judge,
[25:24.000 --> 25:26.000]  or how would she file this document?
[25:26.000 --> 25:28.000]  Okay.
[25:28.000 --> 25:30.000]  First of all, she needs to file it with the court.
[25:30.000 --> 25:31.000]  Yes.
[25:31.000 --> 25:32.000]  Okay.
[25:32.000 --> 25:34.000]  File it with the clerk of the court and notice it terminates the counsel,
[25:34.000 --> 25:38.000]  then the son needs to file a document like that as well.
[25:38.000 --> 25:44.000]  And if she wants me to get an honest attorney on the case,
[25:44.000 --> 25:54.000]  then we need to communicate early next week and I can get you somebody that only cares about what's right and what's wrong.
[25:54.000 --> 25:55.000]  Okay.
[25:55.000 --> 26:04.000]  And the second thing that needs to be done is that you need to be prepared to go to the appellate court on this case.
[26:04.000 --> 26:10.000]  Because if the district court tries to, you know, jerk you around on termination of counsel,
[26:10.000 --> 26:15.000]  because what's happened is the government has appointed his counsel for him.
[26:15.000 --> 26:16.000]  Correct.
[26:16.000 --> 26:17.000]  Okay.
[26:17.000 --> 26:20.000]  So basically they have sold him out.
[26:20.000 --> 26:21.000]  Okay.
[26:21.000 --> 26:28.000]  And so the counsel that's representing him is nothing more than a government plant.
[26:28.000 --> 26:37.000]  And so if you want, okay, to replace him and get somebody honest, I can find you somebody honest.
[26:37.000 --> 26:38.000]  Absolutely.
[26:38.000 --> 26:44.000]  But you need to be prepared, okay, for the fight, okay, because when you terminate counsel,
[26:44.000 --> 26:50.000]  what you're doing is you're saying, I've figured out the game, okay, and I don't like the game,
[26:50.000 --> 26:53.000]  I don't want the game, and I want representation from it.
[26:53.000 --> 27:03.000]  He knew from day one that I knew the game, and he knew from day one that I told him he was in bed with the FBI.
[27:03.000 --> 27:06.000]  And he said, well, yeah, they're my friends.
[27:06.000 --> 27:13.000]  I went, I told him, I said, you know, they have a little fan in North Carolina,
[27:13.000 --> 27:15.000]  and I'm sure they have it in Texas, too.
[27:15.000 --> 27:18.000]  I fell off the turnip truck, but it wasn't yesterday.
[27:18.000 --> 27:24.000]  And I told him now, I said, do not underestimate me.
[27:24.000 --> 27:27.000]  Do not underestimate what I can do.
[27:27.000 --> 27:33.000]  I said, because I'm labeled now as an extremist, and he even told my son that.
[27:33.000 --> 27:35.000]  I'm an extremist mommy.
[27:35.000 --> 27:37.000]  I'm under the extremist mommy law now.
[27:37.000 --> 27:47.000]  But that's okay, because I will fight to the end of the earth to prove my sons for the truth
[27:47.000 --> 27:51.000]  and for the constitutional rights that my husband fought for
[27:51.000 --> 27:55.000]  and for everybody that our forefathers fought for.
[27:55.000 --> 27:59.000]  We can't let this happen.
[27:59.000 --> 28:05.000]  And I am the one that can fight.
[28:05.000 --> 28:10.000]  I can fight them, and I will fight them, and I will not go down,
[28:10.000 --> 28:17.000]  because I did not become a police officer because it used to be, to me,
[28:17.000 --> 28:21.000]  a prerequisition to law enforcement was integrity.
[28:21.000 --> 28:28.000]  And when I went through the police academy, I learned so much more that I didn't want to know
[28:28.000 --> 28:32.000]  about how you can fight, if you didn't like someone,
[28:32.000 --> 28:44.000]  how you can just prove them guilty or prove them to do things to make them look guilty, to write them up.
[28:44.000 --> 28:50.000]  And that goes against everything that I stand for.
[28:50.000 --> 28:52.000]  I believe in integrity.
[28:52.000 --> 28:53.000]  My son doesn't lie to me.
[28:53.000 --> 28:54.000]  I don't lie.
[28:54.000 --> 28:59.000]  My family, we weren't raised that way.
[28:59.000 --> 29:03.000]  We very much believed in the American dream.
[29:03.000 --> 29:07.000]  Okay, well, if you wanted me to, if you want an honest attorney, I'll get you one.
[29:07.000 --> 29:09.000]  Absolutely.
[29:09.000 --> 29:13.000]  I know there are some left, but...
[29:13.000 --> 29:15.000]  Well, most of them come from other countries.
[29:15.000 --> 29:21.000]  You know, their whole fight is trying to fix the American mess.
[29:21.000 --> 29:26.000]  Okay, I've got one here in Austin that, you know, would probably love this case,
[29:26.000 --> 29:31.000]  and, you know, Debbie and I will put you in touch with him if you want to talk to him.
[29:31.000 --> 29:35.000]  But, you know, the attorney they appointed for him is obviously a plant.
[29:35.000 --> 29:36.000]  I know that.
[29:36.000 --> 29:38.000]  And I've known that he was not...
[29:38.000 --> 29:41.000]  I told him, I said, you could care less about my son.
[29:41.000 --> 29:46.000]  He said, well, I really care about Justin Ashley.
[29:46.000 --> 29:50.000]  I said, excuse me, his name is Ash.
[29:50.000 --> 29:51.000]  And he really cares about it.
[29:51.000 --> 29:53.000]  He can't remember his first name, right?
[29:53.000 --> 29:56.000]  He can't. That's what's so funny, Tony. He can't.
[29:56.000 --> 30:01.000]  But everybody that has called me from all over the United States,
[30:01.000 --> 30:05.000]  I have got more support from the wonderful people in this United States,
[30:05.000 --> 30:11.000]  and that's what makes this country great is the people that want this country.
[30:11.000 --> 30:16.000]  They have supported me, and not one of them got my son's name wrong.
[30:16.000 --> 30:20.000]  So isn't it amazing what a few words will tell you?
[30:20.000 --> 30:21.000]  That's a good thing.
[30:21.000 --> 30:24.000]  Right. That told me everything I needed to know.
[30:24.000 --> 30:25.000]  That's true, yeah.
[30:25.000 --> 30:27.000]  I said his name is Ashton.
[30:27.000 --> 30:31.000]  Yeah, well, he's going to start spilling out.
[30:31.000 --> 30:33.000]  Oh, I know. He already has.
[30:33.000 --> 30:34.000]  Well, okay, Tony...
[30:34.000 --> 30:36.000]  We're not doing it.
[30:36.000 --> 30:38.000]  Yeah, that's...I knew that was coming.
[30:38.000 --> 30:41.000]  And then finally, you know, this little Jason Dennet kid.
[30:41.000 --> 30:43.000]  But anyway, that's another story.
[30:43.000 --> 30:44.000]  But go ahead, I'm sorry.
[30:44.000 --> 30:51.000]  No, I was just...Tony and I have been discussing this earlier today, and Tony,
[30:51.000 --> 30:55.000]  you were also saying things about that she could also file motions,
[30:55.000 --> 30:59.000]  like an amicus brief approaching the court as a third party.
[30:59.000 --> 31:06.000]  Would that be in order at this point, or the first thing to do is to terminate counsel?
[31:06.000 --> 31:11.000]  I think she needs to notify the court that she's not going to lay down a rule over.
[31:11.000 --> 31:13.000]  I definitely think that she needs to do that.
[31:13.000 --> 31:15.000]  And then the question becomes how you do it.
[31:15.000 --> 31:24.000]  And, you know, you could file her in light of, like, for example, as a mom, okay,
[31:24.000 --> 31:29.000]  I'm not sure they would grant that, but you could also file an amicus brief.
[31:29.000 --> 31:34.000]  Maybe you could probably get some of your friends to file an amicus brief.
[31:34.000 --> 31:39.000]  Maybe what we could do is prepare an amicus brief, you know,
[31:39.000 --> 31:45.000]  notifying the court that he's innocent and that we demand that the government
[31:45.000 --> 31:50.000]  produce the evidence they have and produce all of the evidence and don't conceal any of it.
[31:50.000 --> 31:55.000]  And, you know, one thing that I have learned over time is the government doesn't know how
[31:55.000 --> 31:59.000]  to try a case without concealing evidence.
[31:59.000 --> 32:06.000]  Let me ask you about...I've heard something about filing a motion to intervene with next to friend.
[32:06.000 --> 32:07.000]  Yeah, okay.
[32:07.000 --> 32:10.000]  Is that something that's possible?
[32:10.000 --> 32:13.000]  It's possible, but what I would do is I would just file an amicus,
[32:13.000 --> 32:16.000]  and I'd get all your friends to file amicus briefs, you know,
[32:16.000 --> 32:20.000]  and just copy the ones that you're doing, okay?
[32:20.000 --> 32:21.000]  Okay.
[32:21.000 --> 32:23.000]  And basically you come in and you say, look, you know,
[32:23.000 --> 32:27.000]  I've got an interest in this case as well, and I think these are the facts,
[32:27.000 --> 32:31.000]  and this is the law, and this is why we should throw it out.
[32:31.000 --> 32:39.000]  Now, Tony, you were telling me something earlier yesterday about filing an amicus brief
[32:39.000 --> 32:43.000]  and citing the Classified Information Procedures Act.
[32:43.000 --> 32:44.000]  Okay.
[32:44.000 --> 32:46.000]  Well, let me tell you what's happened in this case.
[32:46.000 --> 32:48.000]  I mean, I mean, I don't know the specifics.
[32:48.000 --> 32:51.000]  I just, you know, I've seen some basic stuff,
[32:51.000 --> 32:55.000]  but let me tell you how the government operates, the federal government.
[32:55.000 --> 33:01.000]  Okay, the federal government cannot win a case without concealing evidence.
[33:01.000 --> 33:02.000]  Okay.
[33:02.000 --> 33:04.000]  Let me give you an example, okay?
[33:04.000 --> 33:11.000]  In the federal court system, 99% of cases are won by the government.
[33:11.000 --> 33:15.000]  Okay, typically what the government normally does is they come in
[33:15.000 --> 33:17.000]  and they threaten the person, and if that isn't worth it,
[33:17.000 --> 33:22.000]  they come in and threaten the family, the wife, the kids, the mother, everybody,
[33:22.000 --> 33:26.000]  okay, and scare the crap out of them, and then, you know, finally somebody says,
[33:26.000 --> 33:29.000]  okay, I'll just, I'm giving up and just don't mess with my family,
[33:29.000 --> 33:32.000]  and I'll sign off on a plea agreement.
[33:32.000 --> 33:37.000]  Okay, 99% of the cases in the federal system are won by the government.
[33:37.000 --> 33:42.000]  Okay, that number makes absolutely no sense.
[33:42.000 --> 33:45.000]  Okay, I mean, if you've been in law enforcement,
[33:45.000 --> 33:48.000]  so you understand that sometimes people make mistakes,
[33:48.000 --> 33:50.000]  and sometimes the law enforcement makes mistakes,
[33:50.000 --> 33:54.000]  sometimes they think things are true, and sometimes people lie,
[33:54.000 --> 33:57.000]  and so, you know, they're going to prosecute somebody,
[33:57.000 --> 34:00.000]  and they find that the facts aren't there.
[34:00.000 --> 34:06.000]  Okay, in Canada, 65% of the prosecutions result in convictions.
[34:06.000 --> 34:10.000]  United States, 99%.
[34:10.000 --> 34:11.000]  Okay.
[34:11.000 --> 34:16.000]  Well, I do not, well, I knew it was closed because my brother is third in command
[34:16.000 --> 34:18.000]  of the Bureau of Prisons.
[34:18.000 --> 34:19.000]  Right.
[34:19.000 --> 34:24.000]  He's in the three prisons, and he's heard a lot of stories, but...
[34:24.000 --> 34:26.000]  There are a lot of innocent people in prisons.
[34:26.000 --> 34:27.000]  Yes, absolutely.
[34:27.000 --> 34:31.000]  There's a lot of innocent people, and I've heard, I know of some.
[34:31.000 --> 34:37.000]  And the problem, one of the problems is this, is the prosecutors don't care.
[34:37.000 --> 34:41.000]  The only thing they care about is their promotion and getting their bonus.
[34:41.000 --> 34:42.000]  Correct.
[34:42.000 --> 34:44.000]  Getting a guy convicted.
[34:44.000 --> 34:49.000]  Okay, so, you know, once you understand that's the system,
[34:49.000 --> 34:52.000]  then you begin to understand how to unravel the system.
[34:52.000 --> 34:57.000]  So anyway, here, I'm talking about two different ways to unravel it.
[34:57.000 --> 35:00.000]  Whenever somebody is prosecuted,
[35:00.000 --> 35:06.000]  they typically have records in at least 15 different agencies of the government.
[35:06.000 --> 35:08.000]  All right, I mean, if you stop and think about it, I mean,
[35:08.000 --> 35:11.000]  if you've ever been overseas, you have records in the State Department,
[35:11.000 --> 35:17.000]  you have, you know, records in the Control Recurrency, probably,
[35:17.000 --> 35:19.000]  you know, a bunch of different agencies.
[35:19.000 --> 35:24.000]  So whenever the prosecutor gets up before the judge,
[35:24.000 --> 35:27.000]  okay, now you have to remember the judge is a former prosecutor, too,
[35:27.000 --> 35:31.000]  so it's all kind of like a game between, you know, buddies.
[35:31.000 --> 35:32.000]  Get out there and network.
[35:32.000 --> 35:35.000]  Yeah, the prosecutor gets up, and then the judge says,
[35:35.000 --> 35:38.000]  have you produced all the records in your agency?
[35:38.000 --> 35:43.000]  Okay, and then the prosecutor will say,
[35:43.000 --> 35:47.000]  yes, Your Honor, I produced all the records in my agency.
[35:47.000 --> 35:49.000]  And that's what he's done.
[35:49.000 --> 35:51.000]  He's produced the records in his agency
[35:51.000 --> 35:55.000]  because he's hiding them in 15 or 20 more other agencies.
[35:55.000 --> 35:56.000]  Yeah.
[35:56.000 --> 35:59.000]  Okay, so they always conceal evidence.
[35:59.000 --> 36:02.000]  They don't know how to win a case without concealing evidence.
[36:02.000 --> 36:07.000]  Okay, so then from there, okay, we're talking about, you know,
[36:07.000 --> 36:10.000]  this major issue, the concealment evidence,
[36:10.000 --> 36:12.000]  which is a violation of Brady v. United States
[36:12.000 --> 36:17.000]  and a bunch of other cases is the fact that you have the right
[36:17.000 --> 36:23.000]  to see all the evidence presented against you or presented in your favor,
[36:23.000 --> 36:27.000]  which means all the evidence related to you, related to your case,
[36:27.000 --> 36:30.000]  not only federal but state.
[36:30.000 --> 36:32.000]  Okay, and they never do that.
[36:32.000 --> 36:33.000]  They never do it.
[36:33.000 --> 36:37.000]  They don't know how to win without cheating.
[36:37.000 --> 36:40.000]  Okay, so that's the first issue.
[36:40.000 --> 36:44.000]  The second issue is the Classified Information Procedures Act.
[36:44.000 --> 36:47.000]  Okay, that's 18 U.S.C. Appendix 50.
[36:47.000 --> 36:49.000]  What was that again?
[36:49.000 --> 36:54.000]  18 U.S.C. Appendix 50.
[36:54.000 --> 36:56.000]  Okay.
[36:56.000 --> 36:59.000]  Okay, Classified Information Procedures Act,
[36:59.000 --> 37:01.000]  and what that act says is this,
[37:01.000 --> 37:06.000]  if the government has classified records related to your case,
[37:06.000 --> 37:09.000]  they are required to produce those records in camera
[37:09.000 --> 37:15.000]  for the review of the court and the review of the defense prior to trial
[37:15.000 --> 37:22.000]  so the defense can determine if any of those records are material to the case,
[37:22.000 --> 37:27.000]  and then they can use those records in the trial.
[37:27.000 --> 37:32.000]  Okay, the government always, let me repeat this,
[37:32.000 --> 37:37.000]  always has classified records related to everyone.
[37:37.000 --> 37:41.000]  Okay, but in some cases they have a lot more classified records
[37:41.000 --> 37:44.000]  than they do in other cases.
[37:44.000 --> 37:49.000]  Okay, so in your son's case I can assure you that there are classified records,
[37:49.000 --> 37:56.000]  CIA, NSA, DEA, FinCEN, I don't know which agencies,
[37:56.000 --> 38:02.000]  but I'm guessing there's at least four or five State Departments.
[38:02.000 --> 38:06.000]  Okay, so there are classified records in his case.
[38:06.000 --> 38:09.000]  Now here's what will happen.
[38:09.000 --> 38:17.000]  The government will not admit nor will they produce the classified records in his case.
[38:17.000 --> 38:22.000]  If they produce them, okay, or admit they have them,
[38:22.000 --> 38:25.000]  then it's an automatic reversal of his case.
[38:25.000 --> 38:27.000]  No questions asked.
[38:27.000 --> 38:30.000]  Why is that, Tony, why is it automatic reversal of the case?
[38:30.000 --> 38:31.000]  They admit they have it.
[38:31.000 --> 38:37.000]  Because the Classified Information Procedures Act requires dismissal of a case
[38:37.000 --> 38:40.000]  if the government conceals classified records.
[38:40.000 --> 38:42.000]  Oh, wow.
[38:42.000 --> 38:43.000]  Okay.
[38:43.000 --> 38:46.000]  That's pretty hardcore.
[38:46.000 --> 38:51.000]  So, I mean, if you really want to ask your attorney a significant question,
[38:51.000 --> 38:57.000]  ask him if he's ever read the Classified Information Procedures Act.
[38:57.000 --> 38:59.000]  If you know, they go, what?
[38:59.000 --> 39:00.000]  What Act?
[39:00.000 --> 39:04.000]  He didn't even know what DALT versus U.S. was.
[39:04.000 --> 39:09.000]  And that's when I knew, boy, I'm in deep water.
[39:09.000 --> 39:10.000]  My son's in deep water.
[39:10.000 --> 39:13.000]  If you know the Classified Information Procedures Act in this case,
[39:13.000 --> 39:16.000]  then your son has no chance whatsoever.
[39:16.000 --> 39:22.000]  He uses this stuff.
[39:22.000 --> 39:26.000]  But if I was you, I would bone up on the Classified Information Procedures Act,
[39:26.000 --> 39:29.000]  be happy to send you some case law on that,
[39:29.000 --> 39:35.000]  and you need to start asking some very serious questions related to that Act.
[39:35.000 --> 39:36.000]  Okay.
[39:36.000 --> 39:37.000]  I've got an email.
[39:37.000 --> 39:40.000]  You can send it to me.
[39:40.000 --> 39:41.000]  Okay.
[39:41.000 --> 39:47.000]  I mean, since they took my computers and the one that they brought back,
[39:47.000 --> 39:49.000]  they broke one.
[39:49.000 --> 39:50.000]  Okay.
[39:50.000 --> 39:54.000]  Well, let me also explain how the government works on these kind of things.
[39:54.000 --> 39:55.000]  Okay.
[39:55.000 --> 39:56.000]  In many cases...
[39:56.000 --> 39:59.000]  I think my house is dug, but other than that.
[39:59.000 --> 40:00.000]  Okay.
[40:00.000 --> 40:02.000]  Well, in many cases, the government screws up.
[40:02.000 --> 40:03.000]  Okay.
[40:03.000 --> 40:04.000]  They jump into something.
[40:04.000 --> 40:06.000]  They haven't investigated it properly.
[40:06.000 --> 40:08.000]  That's exactly what happened.
[40:08.000 --> 40:09.000]  They screw up.
[40:09.000 --> 40:13.000]  And the only alternative they have is to cover up their mess.
[40:13.000 --> 40:14.000]  Mm-hmm.
[40:14.000 --> 40:15.000]  Okay.
[40:15.000 --> 40:17.000]  They cover up and they move up.
[40:17.000 --> 40:20.000]  That's the same expression my husband used to use.
[40:20.000 --> 40:21.000]  Screw up and you move up.
[40:21.000 --> 40:22.000]  Right.
[40:22.000 --> 40:23.000]  Okay.
[40:23.000 --> 40:27.000]  So what they do is they then begin telling you to figure out how to cover up their mess.
[40:27.000 --> 40:31.000]  Mm-hmm.
[40:31.000 --> 40:39.000]  Now, Tony also...they're charging him under some section of Title 18 specifically.
[40:39.000 --> 40:42.000]  I mean, they have not said anything about the Patriot Act.
[40:42.000 --> 40:47.000]  They're neither confirming nor denying that they're exercising authority under the Patriot Act,
[40:47.000 --> 40:51.000]  but they definitely have cited a section of Code of Title 18,
[40:51.000 --> 40:57.000]  and you have thoroughly debunked Title 18 because it was never properly ratified.
[40:57.000 --> 40:58.000]  We've done a few shows on that.
[40:58.000 --> 41:05.000]  Can she use anything concerning your research about Title 18 in this situation?
[41:05.000 --> 41:09.000]  She can move to dismiss based on the fact that they have no jurisdiction.
[41:09.000 --> 41:10.000]  Okay.
[41:10.000 --> 41:12.000]  And let me explain that really briefly.
[41:12.000 --> 41:13.000]  Okay.
[41:13.000 --> 41:19.000]  And I'm going to try to make it very simple because I don't want to go into a 30-page scenario about Title 18.
[41:19.000 --> 41:22.000]  Basically, here's what happened.
[41:22.000 --> 41:28.000]  Okay. And we have verification from the Clerk of the House of Representatives on that stuff.
[41:28.000 --> 41:30.000]  Okay.
[41:30.000 --> 41:31.000]  Okay.
[41:31.000 --> 41:38.000]  Title 18 was attempted to be passed in the 79th Congress, 1946 and 1947.
[41:38.000 --> 41:39.000]  Okay.
[41:39.000 --> 41:42.000]  I'm sorry, 1945, 1946.
[41:42.000 --> 41:43.000]  Okay.
[41:43.000 --> 41:44.000]  It didn't get passed.
[41:44.000 --> 41:45.000]  Okay.
[41:45.000 --> 41:46.000]  That was right after the war.
[41:46.000 --> 41:51.000]  Everybody was real busy, and they had other priorities, and so it didn't get passed.
[41:51.000 --> 41:56.000]  So then they brought it up again, and they get to Congress 1947, 1948.
[41:56.000 --> 41:58.000]  First session is 47.
[41:58.000 --> 42:01.000]  Second session is 48.
[42:01.000 --> 42:03.000]  1947.
[42:03.000 --> 42:13.000]  We have a letter from the Clerk that said that on May 12, 1947, during the vote of Title 18 of the Criminal Code,
[42:13.000 --> 42:20.000]  there was no quorum in place when the House of Representatives voted on the bill.
[42:20.000 --> 42:21.000]  Okay.
[42:21.000 --> 42:23.000]  The significance of that is this.
[42:23.000 --> 42:24.000]  Okay.
[42:24.000 --> 42:28.000]  Without a quorum in place, okay, and that's a constitutional requirement.
[42:28.000 --> 42:29.000]  It's not my requirement.
[42:29.000 --> 42:31.000]  It's a constitutional requirement.
[42:31.000 --> 42:35.000]  Without a quorum in place, there is no vote.
[42:35.000 --> 42:38.000]  Let me ask you this question, Johnny.
[42:38.000 --> 42:39.000]  Sure.
[42:39.000 --> 42:44.000]  They said that this Act has been enacted since 1939.
[42:44.000 --> 42:48.000]  It's what they put in the release, the press release.
[42:48.000 --> 42:50.000]  Which Act are you talking about?
[42:50.000 --> 42:54.000]  They're saying that Title 18 has been on the books since 1939.
[42:54.000 --> 42:57.000]  There is no Title 18 in 1939.
[42:57.000 --> 43:06.000]  There's a Title 18 in 1940, and there's a Title 18 in 1909, and there's a Title 18 in 1948.
[43:06.000 --> 43:10.000]  So what's the Title 18?
[43:10.000 --> 43:12.000]  What is that in 1940?
[43:12.000 --> 43:15.000]  Here's my guess, okay?
[43:15.000 --> 43:22.000]  They put 1939, if you read the press release, they got a press release that they said that it was released,
[43:22.000 --> 43:28.000]  they've been miles on the books since 1939 in place.
[43:28.000 --> 43:29.000]  Okay.
[43:29.000 --> 43:33.000]  Let me make a guess or estimate on this.
[43:33.000 --> 43:34.000]  Okay.
[43:34.000 --> 43:35.000]  Okay.
[43:35.000 --> 43:43.000]  What they're probably meaning is the 1939 and the 1949 probably merged together because it was the same Congress.
[43:43.000 --> 43:44.000]  Okay.
[43:44.000 --> 43:47.000]  But here's the problem, okay?
[43:47.000 --> 43:48.000]  Okay.
[43:48.000 --> 43:52.000]  And they're probably trying to preempt what I know.
[43:52.000 --> 43:53.000]  Okay.
[43:53.000 --> 43:59.000]  You know, I just met you, so I'm just guessing about this, but they're probably trying to preempt what I already know.
[43:59.000 --> 44:00.000]  Okay.
[44:00.000 --> 44:05.000]  Here's what I know, and then I'll explain why the 1939 Act is not valid.
[44:05.000 --> 44:06.000]  Okay.
[44:06.000 --> 44:10.000]  What I know is this, and we have gotten admissions from the government.
[44:10.000 --> 44:11.000]  Okay.
[44:11.000 --> 44:12.000]  That number one.
[44:12.000 --> 44:14.000]  Okay.
[44:14.000 --> 44:21.000]  That in 1947, okay, in the vote of the House of Representatives, there was no quorum in place.
[44:21.000 --> 44:22.000]  Okay.
[44:22.000 --> 44:28.000]  And there has to be a quorum according to the Constitution to vote on the bill, May 12, 1947, number one.
[44:28.000 --> 44:38.000]  And number two, in 1948, the clerk of the House has admitted that there was no vote by the House of Representatives on the bill at all.
[44:38.000 --> 44:44.000]  Okay. So therefore, the House of Representatives never voted on Title 18, period.
[44:44.000 --> 44:47.000]  And we have admissions from the government, is that a fact?
[44:47.000 --> 44:48.000]  Okay.
[44:48.000 --> 44:54.000]  Now, let's, so here's what a judge would do, or here's what the government would try to do.
[44:54.000 --> 45:07.000]  Well, okay, if, even if the 1947-1948 Act on Title 18 isn't valid, then the prior act would be valid.
[45:07.000 --> 45:10.000]  The prior act is in 1940.
[45:10.000 --> 45:16.000]  So maybe what they're doing is they're saying that there's two acts of Congress, 39 and 40.
[45:16.000 --> 45:19.000]  That might be why they're saying 39 acts.
[45:19.000 --> 45:20.000]  Okay.
[45:20.000 --> 45:21.000]  Okay.
[45:21.000 --> 45:25.000]  Let me tell you why that is not valid.
[45:25.000 --> 45:38.000]  Because the 1940 act, and so 1939 act also, was repealed by Congress in 1948.
[45:38.000 --> 45:43.000]  So if it was repealed by Congress, it has no validity whatsoever.
[45:43.000 --> 45:45.000]  It is a merit.
[45:45.000 --> 45:48.000]  Right.
[45:48.000 --> 45:59.000]  So I think what they're trying to do is hedge their bets, because I've already got the government to admit that the Title 18 and 47-48 is not valid.
[45:59.000 --> 46:06.000]  So the only alternative they have is saying, is to come back and say, well, okay, that means the prior statute's invalid.
[46:06.000 --> 46:08.000]  Well, there's a lot of problems with that.
[46:08.000 --> 46:09.000]  Okay.
[46:09.000 --> 46:12.000]  First of all, it was repealed.
[46:12.000 --> 46:19.000]  Second of all, under the prior statute, it had different penalty provisions.
[46:19.000 --> 46:21.000]  I'll give you an example.
[46:21.000 --> 46:34.000]  If you were charged with a crime, and you can only be charged with the crimes listed in the 40 statute, okay, which means are all these crimes listed in the 40 statute?
[46:34.000 --> 46:35.000]  Probably not.
[46:35.000 --> 46:38.000]  But let's say they are listed in the 40 statute.
[46:38.000 --> 46:55.000]  If you were charged with a crime listed in the 40 statute, okay, then you had the right under the 40 statute for 10 days of good time for every 30 days you served in prison.
[46:55.000 --> 47:05.000]  And you had the right under the 40 statute for parole after one-third of your sentence.
[47:05.000 --> 47:11.000]  So there were total different penalty provisions involved in the 40 statute.
[47:11.000 --> 47:20.000]  If it wasn't valid, it's not valid, but let's assume it was valid, then all of a sudden now the whole game's changed related to your sentence.
[47:20.000 --> 47:22.000]  Mm-hmm.
[47:22.000 --> 47:24.000]  I'm following you here.
[47:24.000 --> 47:25.000]  I might be telling you.
[47:25.000 --> 47:26.000]  Okay.
[47:26.000 --> 47:28.000]  All in all, it makes sense.
[47:28.000 --> 47:29.000]  Okay.
[47:29.000 --> 47:35.000]  I mean, basically, the basic rule is under Title 18, they have no case against him.
[47:35.000 --> 47:36.000]  And I'll show you this also.
[47:36.000 --> 47:40.000]  I'll give you the brief, you know, the law that says they have no case.
[47:40.000 --> 47:47.000]  The government's already admitted it in several courts.
[47:47.000 --> 47:49.000]  It's not a valid act.
[47:49.000 --> 47:50.000]  Okay.
[47:50.000 --> 47:51.000]  No, it was never passed.
[47:51.000 --> 47:58.000]  I mean, the House didn't pass it, so, you know, we have a House act that was passed by the Senate.
[47:58.000 --> 48:01.000]  Tony, why did this happen?
[48:01.000 --> 48:02.000]  Why did they let this happen?
[48:02.000 --> 48:06.000]  Were they just lazy and it just never got passed?
[48:06.000 --> 48:12.000]  Or did they intentionally push this bogus law through without being legitimate?
[48:12.000 --> 48:14.000]  And why would they do something like that?
[48:14.000 --> 48:18.000]  It was a big fight between the Democrats and the Republicans.
[48:18.000 --> 48:20.000]  Oh, that's not a big fight.
[48:20.000 --> 48:22.000]  I see.
[48:22.000 --> 48:23.000]  The president was a Democrat.
[48:23.000 --> 48:28.000]  I think that was... Was it Wilson?
[48:28.000 --> 48:31.000]  No.
[48:31.000 --> 48:34.000]  Oh, it's from Kansas.
[48:34.000 --> 48:40.000]  Anyway, and then the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate were both Republicans.
[48:40.000 --> 48:44.000]  They hated each other.
[48:44.000 --> 48:47.000]  So it was like, you know, it was this huge, big fight, you know.
[48:47.000 --> 48:54.000]  And so basically they just forgot about the law and that's gone over time fighting among each other.
[48:54.000 --> 48:56.000]  Oh, boy.
[48:56.000 --> 49:01.000]  Well, Tony, speaking of this press release, and you and I were discussing this earlier today,
[49:01.000 --> 49:10.000]  you were saying that it's unusual for the Department of Justice and the FBI to issue press releases
[49:10.000 --> 49:13.000]  regarding cases involving a minor.
[49:13.000 --> 49:15.000]  What is up with that?
[49:15.000 --> 49:17.000]  Did you read the press releases, Tony?
[49:17.000 --> 49:18.000]  Yeah, I read them.
[49:18.000 --> 49:20.000]  Yeah, what do you make of all this?
[49:20.000 --> 49:25.000]  Basically somebody is screwed up and they're trying to cut the rear end.
[49:25.000 --> 49:28.000]  Yeah, backpedaling.
[49:28.000 --> 49:30.000]  That's what it looked like to me.
[49:30.000 --> 49:33.000]  Yeah, well, it should have looked like that to the American public,
[49:33.000 --> 49:40.000]  but you know, some people believe whatever the government tells you, it's got to be just pure gospel.
[49:40.000 --> 49:44.000]  And it's kind of like the government's here to help you.
[49:44.000 --> 49:47.000]  Open the door, right?
[49:47.000 --> 49:50.000]  Excuse me.
[49:50.000 --> 50:05.000]  Well, Annette, I wanted to ask you also about some of my hunches of the underlying reasons that they targeted you.
[50:05.000 --> 50:15.000]  Would you feel comfortable telling us any information regarding the death of your husband?
[50:15.000 --> 50:19.000]  Yeah, whatever you feel like asking.
[50:19.000 --> 50:24.000]  Okay, now he worked for the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
[50:24.000 --> 50:26.000]  Correct, he sure did.
[50:26.000 --> 50:37.000]  And his death was very – it seemed mysterious from what you were telling me, and they declared a suicide like five minutes after he was –
[50:37.000 --> 50:40.000]  Yeah, after the coroner got there.
[50:40.000 --> 50:46.000]  Now let me remind you, in that county, the coroner is not a medical doctor.
[50:46.000 --> 50:48.000]  Tell us what happened.
[50:48.000 --> 50:52.000]  What were the circumstances of your husband's – what looks to me like a murder?
[50:52.000 --> 51:00.000]  Well, we had a house up there that was for sale, and actually we were separated at the time.
[51:00.000 --> 51:03.000]  But we had done that numerous times.
[51:03.000 --> 51:14.000]  But we had a house that was for sale, and the realtor up there falsified documents to say that –
[51:14.000 --> 51:19.000]  and he had inspections done that was not authorized, and he did not have a contract.
[51:19.000 --> 51:24.000]  And he falsified by saying that he had a sale, and we signed papers and everything,
[51:24.000 --> 51:27.000]  and told me I had to be out of the house by a certain date.
[51:27.000 --> 51:33.000]  And I didn't want to move, and he said, no, you need to move because these people are coming in, blah, blah, blah.
[51:33.000 --> 51:38.000]  And he came over the day after they had taken all my stuff out and said, you know,
[51:38.000 --> 51:44.000]  and signed paperwork that these people were going to do all this, but it didn't happen.
[51:44.000 --> 51:49.000]  I got down here and found out 30 days later that the sale had fallen through.
[51:49.000 --> 51:56.000]  But my husband – you know, we were trying to still make a sound because we had separated, you know, a lot of times,
[51:56.000 --> 52:01.000]  like some married couples for 16 years.
[52:01.000 --> 52:10.000]  But he worked in the federal penitentiary, and he was basically sentenced to 13 years in the federal penitentiary.
[52:10.000 --> 52:12.000]  We could not get a transfer.
[52:12.000 --> 52:16.000]  He was a great officer.
[52:16.000 --> 52:23.000]  And at that time, I just got a knock at the door.
[52:23.000 --> 52:27.000]  I had talked to him a week prior to that, and he was coming home.
[52:27.000 --> 52:34.000]  He was living in a house with some other people that were living in the house.
[52:34.000 --> 52:44.000]  And my husband had not called in sick in an entire year, and they found him dead with a gunshot wound to his heart,
[52:44.000 --> 52:46.000]  right off the property.
[52:46.000 --> 52:56.000]  And no autopsy was done, which, you know, I was in complete shock because I've never had this happen.
[52:56.000 --> 52:58.000]  I never hit to bury a husband.
[52:58.000 --> 53:02.000]  I didn't know that they had not done an autopsy.
[53:02.000 --> 53:07.000]  And I assumed, I mean, somebody dies in serious circumstances,
[53:07.000 --> 53:13.000]  that they would have automatically, proper procedure would have been to test his hands for gun residue.
[53:13.000 --> 53:16.000]  That was not done.
[53:16.000 --> 53:22.000]  Opens shut case, and I have tried and tried to get that case reopened.
[53:22.000 --> 53:26.000]  And, you know, different DAs are coming down.
[53:26.000 --> 53:35.000]  They live in Port, Pennsylvania, and my kids were left with, you know, dead.
[53:35.000 --> 53:37.000]  He told them they were coming to see him.
[53:37.000 --> 53:40.000]  He had a week leave that week.
[53:40.000 --> 53:50.000]  And that was the only day that he missed work was the day that they found him dead.
[53:50.000 --> 53:53.000]  It reminds me of the Terrence Jakey case.
[53:53.000 --> 54:07.000]  I believe that because of all the evidence that, you know, that, I mean, they didn't even try.
[54:07.000 --> 54:08.000]  They didn't even try.
[54:08.000 --> 54:10.000]  Because it wasn't his gun.
[54:10.000 --> 54:13.000]  He did not own a gun.
[54:13.000 --> 54:14.000]  He had to have one.
[54:14.000 --> 54:17.000]  I mean, when he went, he couldn't have one in the penitentiary,
[54:17.000 --> 54:21.000]  but when he went off the grounds with inmates, he had to have one.
[54:21.000 --> 54:25.000]  Because we just chose not to have guns around our children,
[54:25.000 --> 54:28.000]  does not mean I'm anti-gun because I am not.
[54:28.000 --> 54:33.000]  I believe in our Second Amendment right, you know, to be honest.
[54:33.000 --> 54:38.000]  But that was, you know, it was somebody else's gun that was even used.
[54:38.000 --> 54:43.000]  And it was loaded with bird pellet, ret shot.
[54:43.000 --> 54:49.000]  And my husband was an expert, and he had all kinds of books about guns.
[54:49.000 --> 54:51.000]  What kind of gun was it?
[54:51.000 --> 54:57.000]  It was a.38 revolver, I believe.
[54:57.000 --> 55:01.000]  It seems pretty difficult to mess up with that one.
[55:01.000 --> 55:03.000]  Yeah, and it was one shot.
[55:03.000 --> 55:05.000]  I've been told it's one shot to the heart.
[55:05.000 --> 55:08.000]  I've been told it's two shots to the heart.
[55:08.000 --> 55:13.000]  But they said he had walked some distance after he was shot,
[55:13.000 --> 55:20.000]  and that tells me that we believe he was taken by surprise, lured down there,
[55:20.000 --> 55:24.000]  to look at something because he had walked on that property with the owner that day.
[55:24.000 --> 55:31.000]  And he had also, previous to that, had witnessed an inmate's murder.
[55:31.000 --> 55:37.000]  Well, he was the first officer at the scene of an inmate that bled out on him
[55:37.000 --> 55:39.000]  that was killed by a gang member.
[55:39.000 --> 55:46.000]  How recent did he witness that murder, and then he ended up dead?
[55:46.000 --> 55:49.000]  Like how much time elapsed?
[55:49.000 --> 55:54.000]  Well, it takes a long time for an inmate to go to the federal court.
[55:54.000 --> 55:58.000]  He had not gone to testify about it.
[55:58.000 --> 56:00.000]  Was he subpoenaed?
[56:00.000 --> 56:03.000]  He had not been subpoenaed yet, no.
[56:03.000 --> 56:05.000]  But he was going to testify?
[56:05.000 --> 56:15.000]  Well, he would have had to under the Bureau's policies.
[56:15.000 --> 56:17.000]  I mean, he would have had to.
[56:17.000 --> 56:20.000]  He didn't have no choice in the matter.
[56:20.000 --> 56:27.000]  Now, so when they were having a trial regarding the murder of this inmate,
[56:27.000 --> 56:32.000]  it was during that trial that your husband ended up dead?
[56:32.000 --> 56:35.000]  No, they hadn't even gone to trial yet.
[56:35.000 --> 56:37.000]  Oh.
[56:37.000 --> 56:40.000]  So it was just like a matter of a few months or weeks or something?
[56:40.000 --> 56:42.000]  No, it was long enough.
[56:42.000 --> 56:44.000]  It was over a year.
[56:44.000 --> 56:50.000]  Over a year, okay.
[56:50.000 --> 56:54.000]  Was this inmate like a high-profile individual?
[56:54.000 --> 56:57.000]  I could not tell you because my husband wasn't allowed.
[56:57.000 --> 56:59.000]  He didn't really...
[56:59.000 --> 57:01.000]  Oh, you didn't even know who it was.
[57:01.000 --> 57:02.000]  You didn't know anything about it?
[57:02.000 --> 57:04.000]  No, I did not.
[57:04.000 --> 57:08.000]  I didn't know anything about it because my husband didn't even allow.
[57:08.000 --> 57:10.000]  We never...
[57:10.000 --> 57:13.000]  Well, I stepped foot in there to leave a message one time,
[57:13.000 --> 57:20.000]  but my husband did not even go, did not allow his family into the federal prison,
[57:20.000 --> 57:25.000]  the penitentiary, because he did not want the inmate to know who his family was.
[57:25.000 --> 57:27.000]  Of course.
[57:27.000 --> 57:35.000]  I mean, we had unlisted numbers and he was a good officer.
[57:35.000 --> 57:44.000]  I mean, when he died, we got two cards that were done by the inmates, beautiful cards,
[57:44.000 --> 57:52.000]  and the chaplain said never in 20 years had he ever seen how much the inmates were affected.
[57:52.000 --> 57:54.000]  They had him a moral service.
[57:54.000 --> 57:59.000]  My husband, I think, identified more with the inmates because my husband was the kind person,
[57:59.000 --> 58:04.000]  but he was also a man that they respected.
[58:04.000 --> 58:05.000]  Indeed.
[58:05.000 --> 58:10.000]  They respected him, and we got a lot of cards from them.
[58:10.000 --> 58:12.000]  All right, well, listen, Annette, we're about to go to break.
[58:12.000 --> 58:20.000]  It's the top of the hour, and I just can't help but feeling like they got rid of your husband
[58:20.000 --> 58:24.000]  because he's a witness, and I feel that the reason they're going after you and your son right now
[58:24.000 --> 58:26.000]  is because they're afraid you know something,
[58:26.000 --> 58:29.000]  and they're trying to put leverage on you to keep your mouth shut,
[58:29.000 --> 58:33.000]  but you don't know anything anyway because your husband protected you.
[58:33.000 --> 58:34.000]  He did protect me.
[58:34.000 --> 58:39.000]  That's my take on it, but we'll discuss this more on the other side
[58:39.000 --> 58:44.000]  and wrap up with some strategies from Tony and Randy.
[58:44.000 --> 58:46.000]  Randy hasn't chimed in yet, so we'll be right back.
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[01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:22.000]  Yeah, Mr. Officer, you're taking the right hand.
[01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:26.000]  Won't you follow the law of the land?
[01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.000]  But I'm an officer.
[01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.000]  Rather stupid to not deserve.
[01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:37.000]  Not deserve.
[01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:59.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:04.000]  So please, Mr. Michael, I teach officers not to abuse their power.
[01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:10.000]  Send a request to the leader to cast him off as officer.
[01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.000]  Tell them to uphold the law and please don't abuse their power.
[01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:21.000]  They beat and they beat and they cheat and they cheat and they lie every hour.
[01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:26.000]  So, Mr. Officer, please stop abusing your power.
[01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:32.000]  You hold me over and tell me to be silent, sir.
[01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:37.000]  I need to speak to my lawyer, Mr. Officer.
[01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.000]  You're acting like you're the judge.
[01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:43.000]  You're finding me guilty, sir.
[01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:49.000]  So when are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:54.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:01:54.000 --> 01:02:00.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:05.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.000]  So, Mr. Officer, I believe you seek his power.
[01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:11.000]  Please, Mr. Michael, I'll help the officers.
[01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:16.000]  But they couldn't understand they shouldn't uphold the law instead of abusing their power.
[01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.000]  You know they act like they're judging you and me.
[01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.000]  But, Mr. Officer, you're supposed to protect me.
[01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.000]  Uphold the law and do it properly.
[01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.000]  And the citizens of this country wouldn't be so angry.
[01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.000]  But you're supposed to guard the king.
[01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.000]  You beat the man for nothing.
[01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:38.000]  So, Mr. Officer, don't you realize people are tired of your lies?
[01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:44.000]  So when are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:49.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:55.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.000]  When are you going to stop abuse of your power?
[01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.000]  All right.
[01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.000]  When are you going to stop abusing your power?
[01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:09.000]  Very appropriate song there from my band, Three Shoes Posse.
[01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:14.000]  And we want to discuss like maybe some strategies.
[01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:20.000]  And yeah, I just wanted to state again that even though I feel certain,
[01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:30.000]  it's quite obvious that they've chosen Annette and her son Ashton as soft targets, okay, a widow,
[01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:34.000]  law enforcement officer, husband was in law enforcement,
[01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.000]  upstanding citizens in the community, going to church.
[01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.000]  That's their alibi.
[01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.000]  There's an affidavit from someone who was saying, yeah,
[01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:48.000]  they were at church the night at the time that they're accusing Ashton of committing these crimes, okay.
[01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:58.000]  So it's just the most preposterous, outrageous situation for them to treat a minor like this,
[01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.000]  especially in this situation.
[01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.000]  And I feel certain they're doing it as psychological conditioning.
[01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:13.000]  It's a PSYOP to as a litmus test on the public and as conditioning to the public to get us used to this kind of treatment.
[01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:20.000]  Because if we can accept that they'll do that to someone like Ashton and Annette,
[01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:26.000]  well then we'll accept that they'll do anything they want to any of us whenever they want, okay.
[01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:32.000]  And it's a way of keeping the public, you know, docile so to speak.
[01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.000]  But it's more than that.
[01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:41.000]  I mean they set you guys up and I firmly believe it has something to do with what happened with your husband
[01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:43.000]  and what he witnessed and stuff.
[01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  So we're here for you.
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:49.000]  And yeah, we've got to get rid of this defense attorney.
[01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.000]  It's time to kick him to the curb.
[01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:57.000]  And Tony, you want to mention just some strategies in general for Annette?
[01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:58.000]  Sure.
[01:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.000]  Well, yeah.
[01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.000]  Here's what I've seen with my own children.
[01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.000]  When you attack the government, then they try to get even with you, okay.
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:11.000]  And, you know, I've had my own children arrested, you know, just out of just total crap, you know,
[01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:17.000]  total BS and not having to bail them out of the situations.
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.000]  And then after a while when you prevail, they finally go, oh, well, we were just kidding.
[01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:23.000]  We didn't really mean anything.
[01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:29.000]  But what it was is it was retaliation by some branch of the government, okay.
[01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:36.000]  And my personal guess, it's not an opinion because I don't know enough about it yet,
[01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:44.000]  but my personal guess is that basically what's happened now is that somebody is retaliating against your son
[01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  because of something that happened with your family, probably your husband, okay.
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.000]  Well, my son was a whistleblower in the county that we live in
[01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:03.000]  because one of the assistant superintendent's sons was bringing in alcohol and weapons into the school.
[01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  Yeah, we're getting kind of a real fight.
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.000]  That's, yeah, yeah.
[01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:13.000]  And they protected him and desecrated my son just right after his father's death,
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  and they violated 14 federal laws.
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.000]  And they just, I went against the system.
[01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:27.000]  But, you know, the superintendent did resign and they got a new one,
[01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:32.000]  but yet that's why my kids were homeschooled until I could get out of this area.
[01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  But they will not run me out.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.000]  They will not, I will not let them.
[01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.000]  I will not roll over.
[01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.000]  That makes sense now.
[01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.000]  Somebody's trying to get even with you.
[01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.000]  So, yeah, that's what it's about.
[01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:52.000]  Yeah, and it's a perfect opportunity for them to vilify homeschoolers and the Internet, too.
[01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  Well, you know, people want to believe everything they read.
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:06.000]  You know, it's just ridiculous, especially about some of the things that have been said about me.
[01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.000]  But that's okay.
[01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:09.000]  That's not surprising, you know.
[01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:15.000]  If they can't beat you on the merits, what they do is they attack you like you're Jack the Ripper.
[01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:22.000]  Yeah, my son was the next Unabomber, but yet they never found anything.
[01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:29.000]  That's the standard approach is if they can't beat you on the merits, then they attack you personally.
[01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:33.000]  Yeah, but they got newspapers doing articles that, you know,
[01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:39.000]  saying that I'm thinking the government's oppression and this and that and the other.
[01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:44.000]  And the local paper even here is really attacking me,
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:47.000]  saying I knew all about my son making bomb threats.
[01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.000]  I was even in on it.
[01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.000]  You know something, is there a good part about this whole thing?
[01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.000]  Which is ridiculous.
[01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.000]  You know what the good part about this is?
[01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:05.000]  Okay, is that if we prove that your son's innocent, then you can probably own that newspaper.
[01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:07.000]  Well, I've already told them that.
[01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.000]  I told them, I said, did you verify?
[01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.000]  I called them and left them a message that, did you verify your source?
[01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.000]  You're going on hearsay.
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:21.000]  And I said, the next person you will hear from will be my attorney.
[01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:29.000]  I said, because I don't know anything about anything that went on other than we were being harassed prior to everything,
[01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:34.000]  prior to this going down by the person that actually did the bomb threat.
[01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:39.000]  It's Randy in there with his press pastors and let's start bringing the press pastors in.
[01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.000]  We're going to ask him some serious questions.
[01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:49.000]  Yeah, because my son's trial's next weekend and I really want some people that are going to be there for me
[01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.000]  because I'm going to be up there alone.
[01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:52.000]  I'm sorry, excuse me.
[01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  Your trial is next weekend?
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.000]  It's next Friday, the 22nd.
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.000]  Yeah, they don't have trials on Fridays.
[01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.000]  That's bullshit.
[01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.000]  Okay, so what is the game then?
[01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:03.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.000]  I think it's the hearing to bind him over as an adult.
[01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.000]  They're going to decide whether they're going to try him as an adult or not.
[01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:09.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.000]  His hearing, you're correct.
[01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.000]  Okay, so the hearing to bind him over as an adult is next Friday.
[01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  Yes, yes.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.000]  Who's going to testify for the government?
[01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.000]  I don't have a clue.
[01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:23.000]  Okay.
[01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  I mean, has he been to a psychologist?
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:32.000]  Yes, and they-
[01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.000]  Government psychologist, right?
[01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:43.000]  Yeah, and my psychologist, I was billed and forced into signing papers for him to get evaluated,
[01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:55.000]  but I can say that actually the psychologist has actually been-
[01:09:55.000 --> 01:10:02.000]  when I brought up the Constitution, he said, I abide by the Constitution.
[01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.000]  Okay.
[01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:15.000]  I think he's- he made my son out of a detention center that was an area that was for really bad kids.
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.000]  So this is the government psychologist, right?
[01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:21.000]  Well, they hired him to do it because they've never had a-
[01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:28.000]  He's only the second juvenile to ever come through the federal system in Indiana, ever.
[01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:35.000]  So if people don't think that this is under the Patriot Act, they need to think again.
[01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:40.000]  So basically what they did is they basically set the whole process up.
[01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  They set the psychologist up, they set the judge up, they set the defense attorney up,
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.000]  they set the prosecutor up, everything was arranged.
[01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:57.000]  Yeah, but now they're talking, well, we think it's going to just stay in juvenile court.
[01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:03.000]  My son would admit that he made the bomb threat and my son says no.
[01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:08.000]  Yeah, basically it's either you plead guilty or we're going to put you away.
[01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:14.000]  Oh, I have to try to bend him over to adult court.
[01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.000]  I want to try by jury if that's what they want.
[01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.000]  And my son's willing to go to the duration.
[01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:25.000]  He says, I will not plead to something I did not do.
[01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:32.000]  He said, that's my son, because I've always told him, you do not admit to something that you did not do.
[01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:36.000]  If you did it, you suck it up and you take the consequences.
[01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:40.000]  Okay, there are certain ways to win this kind of cases.
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:49.000]  I mean, basically, you know, here's how it works from the prosecutor's standpoint.
[01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:53.000]  If a prosecutor wins a case, he gets a bonus.
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:59.000]  Okay, so and also he gets a raise and he gets promotion and, you know, he gets a pat on the back
[01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:06.000]  and, you know, then all of a sudden he's a good guy and, you know, it doesn't matter if the guy's guilty or innocent.
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.000]  How about that?
[01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:15.000]  Okay, all the prosecutor cares about is the fact that he gets his little pat on the back and his bonus.
[01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:26.000]  We've had prosecutors that we have seen playing cards in the middle of trials with the judge in the chambers.
[01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:35.000]  Okay, we've had prosecutors that have come into the jury room because they couldn't win the case any other way.
[01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:43.000]  Okay, and now say, well, I think I'll be able to keep my job.
[01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:49.000]  Well, I'm hoping that so much heat has been put on them.
[01:12:49.000 --> 01:13:00.000]  I mean, it's pretty unusual for the FBI to call me back and say, hey, take the dogs off.
[01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:09.000]  We've been getting death threats and I'm like, hey, I got death threats before this happened.
[01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.000]  You got death threats and your point is?
[01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.000]  Yeah, right.
[01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:16.000]  I should care why.
[01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.000]  Like I care, you know, I really care.
[01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.000]  I think you're past the death threats point.
[01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  I think you're down to the point of, you know, let's figure out how to...
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:34.000]  No, we just agreed that the best person, we would shoot it out on the range like the Old West.
[01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.000]  My guess was you would win.
[01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.000]  Well, I beat the police officers that were already certified.
[01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:44.000]  I beat a lot of them in range.
[01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:51.000]  So I was the only girl that got through the whole class, the second class that I was in, the class that I was in.
[01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:55.000]  The two girls liked by the girls and I'm not saying anything bad.
[01:13:55.000 --> 01:14:03.000]  It's just that the guys, you know, I was a pretty good shot since I was young.
[01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  I used to hunt and fish with my daddy.
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.000]  He had three girls.
[01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  Well, here's my recommendation.
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:10.000]  I'm going to get off the air.
[01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.000]  Okay.
[01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:12.000]  Thank you, Kennedy.
[01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.000]  Okay.
[01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.000]  First of all, I said your attorney is a plant.
[01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.000]  I mean, I'm sorry, not your attorney.
[01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.000]  Your son's attorney is a plant.
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:19.000]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:20.000]  I already knew that.
[01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:21.000]  But go ahead.
[01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:28.000]  You sell him out for 10 cents and, you know, a ride to the other side of town.
[01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:31.000]  So you've got to get rid of him, number one.
[01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:39.000]  Number two is that, you know, if you want somebody that's honest, you know, I can try to find you somebody like that.
[01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  And, you know, I know people.
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.000]  Please.
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.000]  I need that.
[01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:49.000]  That's why one of my main reasons I've been coming on these shows is because I really need someone honest,
[01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:52.000]  somebody that's going to fight for the Constitution.
[01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.000]  Okay.
[01:14:53.000 --> 01:15:00.000]  I mean, that to me is the utmost important thing is the violation of someone's right.
[01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:05.000]  And third thing is you need to get some stuff on the record as quickly as possible.
[01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:13.000]  So why don't you contact Debbie and Randy and I'll be happy to help you however I can, okay?
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:14.000]  Okay.
[01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:15.000]  Thank you.
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.000]  Yeah.
[01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  Annette, I'll put you in touch with Tony tomorrow.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:18.000]  Okay.
[01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:19.000]  All right.
[01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.000]  Take care.
[01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:21.000]  Thank you.
[01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:22.000]  All right.
[01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:23.000]  Thank you.
[01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:24.000]  Thank you, Tony.
[01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:25.000]  All right.
[01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.000]  And we've got about one more minute till break.
[01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.000]  Randy, do you have any comments about this situation?
[01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  Randy?
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:41.000]  Well, I've tried to – my usual method of sounding more intelligent than otherwise is
[01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:44.000]  keeping my mouth shut.
[01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:52.000]  This is kind of scary for me to start saying, yeah, go in and file criminal charges against
[01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:58.000]  this guy and criminal charges against that guy because there's – this is far too important
[01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:04.000]  to be – it's not our liberty that we're dealing with or even Annette's liberty.
[01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  It's a third party.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  So we really have to be careful how we move here.
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:17.000]  Before I would do anything, I would want to look real close and determine what my intended
[01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:18.000]  outcome is.
[01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.000]  What am I trying to achieve?
[01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:29.000]  So it appears here the thing we're trying to achieve is get this child out of that jail.
[01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.000]  So what do we do?
[01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.000]  Well, I think they said they're going to let him go.
[01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.000]  We believe he's going to come home.
[01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  Right.
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.000]  Well, we would hope.
[01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.000]  Well, we're hoping, but I'm –
[01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  Okay, listen.
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:42.000]  Listen.
[01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:43.000]  We're going to break.
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[01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.000]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.000]  We're here with Annette Lundeby.
[01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:42.000]  We just finished with Tony Davis talking about how we're going to kick these guys behind.
[01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:47.000]  And we have Mark from Wisconsin on the line.
[01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:49.000]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:51.000]  You have comments or questions?
[01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.000]  Yeah, yeah, I just called in.
[01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:58.000]  Annette, I got you an e-mail address for whenever you can get to the computer.
[01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:05.000]  It's freemychildatlive.com, and you've got a couple e-mails there already.
[01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:11.000]  And I can contact you off the air and give you the password to that account.
[01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:13.000]  Okay, freemychildlive.com.
[01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:16.000]  I wrote that down last night.
[01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:17.000]  Right, right.
[01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:18.000]  Okay.
[01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:23.000]  Now, this is a very tangled case, sounds like.
[01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:27.000]  How can we start attacking the procedure in chain of custody?
[01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:31.000]  So in case, you know, it does go to the merits or whatever,
[01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:35.000]  we'll have something for the appellate court.
[01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:36.000]  Right.
[01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:39.000]  Well, Tony was starting – we started talking about some of that today,
[01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:45.000]  and I think he's laid out the preliminary groundwork.
[01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:46.000]  But you're right.
[01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:52.000]  I mean, this is a complex issue, and he was discussing with me and Annette
[01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.000]  that you have to lay out these things in advance,
[01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:59.000]  preparing to go to the appellate court.
[01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:00.000]  Right, right.
[01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.000]  I just wanted to say to you too, Debra,
[01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:07.000]  this does indeed look like a beta test from the federal government for some reason.
[01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:10.000]  They're just putting it out there that they can grab your child
[01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:15.000]  and move him to a different state, and you have nothing to say about it.
[01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.000]  It's sort of like shutting down an entire country
[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:25.000]  because 100 people out of 30 million in one city get sick.
[01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:32.000]  Well, you know, if you read this treaty that's coming down from the U.N.
[01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:36.000]  that Hillary is pushing through, Hillary Clinton,
[01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:42.000]  it's basically the same situation on steroids where it would go international,
[01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:47.000]  where they could grab your child and take your child out of the country
[01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.000]  if they felt it was in the kids' best interest.
[01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.000]  Oh, the Children's Rights Treaty.
[01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:54.000]  Give me a break.
[01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.000]  Isn't it interesting?
[01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:00.000]  Every time they name something, it's just the exact opposite.
[01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:01.000]  I know.
[01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:02.000]  The war on drugs.
[01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:05.000]  There's 100 books written on the CIA bringing in drugs,
[01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.000]  and they call it the war on drugs.
[01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:10.000]  And now they're calling it, what, children's rights?
[01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.000]  It's just the exact opposite.
[01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:13.000]  Exactly.
[01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:17.000]  Well, see, in this case, him being extradited,
[01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.000]  if you want to call it that, to Indiana,
[01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:25.000]  there actually is some legal ground for that because it's a federal issue,
[01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:30.000]  and the bomb threats were allegedly made to Purdue University, which is in Indiana,
[01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:35.000]  and so that's why they hijacked him over to Indiana.
[01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.000]  So it wasn't just an issue of let's just see how outrageous we can be
[01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:40.000]  and take him to another state.
[01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.000]  There actually was a legitimate legal reason for that.
[01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:44.000]  Right, right.
[01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:45.000]  But he's not a flight risk.
[01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.000]  He's not a flight risk.
[01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:48.000]  He's not a flight risk.
[01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:51.000]  And he's also not an adult either.
[01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.000]  Right, right.
[01:21:54.000 --> 01:22:01.000]  And, yeah, Randy's right about thinking long-term of what the intended outcome is,
[01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:05.000]  and that, like you're saying, he's not going to plea, and that's great.
[01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:06.000]  He shouldn't.
[01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.000]  Why should anybody confess a crime they didn't commit?
[01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:14.000]  You know, we have to be careful about how we strategize that, however,
[01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.000]  because what's going to end up happening, which is what always happens,
[01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:22.000]  is they'll just keep him in jail for so many months or even years
[01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:29.000]  until he finally just breaks down and just signs whatever he thinks he needs to sign just to get out of jail.
[01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:36.000]  And that was a part of it. That's part of it. Also, it's isolation.
[01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.000]  Isolation from his family.
[01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:46.000]  He's never been away from his mom, his family, and his daddy just died a couple years ago.
[01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.000]  But I've got a strong kid.
[01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:53.000]  He's got Norwegian stock in him.
[01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.000]  This is how the judicial system works now, right, Randy?
[01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:00.000]  If they sweat people, that's how they get a 99% conviction rate.
[01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.000]  That's called let's make a deal.
[01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:07.000]  If you don't make the deal, we'll up the stakes and threaten you
[01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:12.000]  and do everything we can to force you to take the deal.
[01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.000]  Yes, yes, it is. Let's make a deal.
[01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:21.000]  I suspect that when he does get out, that you're going to have a problem.
[01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:25.000]  You told everybody on the air that he sleeps with his teddy bear.
[01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000]  Oh, Randy.
[01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.000]  He's going to kill me.
[01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  He's going to get you for that.
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:38.000]  Yeah, he was very upset that, you know, he would think my son would be concerned about everything.
[01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:46.000]  And when WRAL showed his room and we showed his room, you mean everybody saw my room, mama?
[01:23:46.000 --> 01:24:00.000]  Yeah, they saw my room with this stuffed bunny rabbit that his great aunt, God rest her soul, gave to him.
[01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.000]  Yeah, and he was upset about that.
[01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.000]  He'll be really upset.
[01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:06.000]  I did have a question.
[01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:10.000]  How does the game change here, Randy and Deborah, if it does stay in juvenile court?
[01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:15.000]  Because I understand that they pretty much have despotic power in that venue.
[01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:22.000]  Well, the way I see it, it could work to their advantage because one of the biggest problems that Randy
[01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:28.000]  and I see in cases like this where the government's just acting totally outrageous and someone's incarcerated
[01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:34.000]  and they're not getting due process, they can't file any motions in their own behalf because the jailers
[01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:40.000]  and the system restricts their access to the courts and they can't research, they can't talk to anybody,
[01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:46.000]  and so it makes it very difficult for people to go per se or do anything in their own behalf.
[01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:54.000]  But if he stays labeled as a minor, well then it could work to their advantage because Annette has her freedom
[01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:00.000]  and then she can do all the legwork to do what she needs to do to get him out.
[01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:08.000]  It works to their advantage in another way. Everything remains secret.
[01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.000]  Now I've got a big mouth.
[01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:13.000]  How does that work to their advantage, Randy?
[01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:19.000]  Well, if they've made obvious glaring errors, nobody's ever going to know about it.
[01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:25.000]  So they can pretty much do what they want to to him and nobody ever gets to find out about it.
[01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.000]  Oh, you mean it works to the bad guy's advantage?
[01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:35.000]  Yeah, I'm sorry. I meant to their advantage. It works to their advantage to keep him as a juvenile
[01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  if they don't have a case. And the way it's shaking out, it looks like the arrow is pointing very clearly
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:52.000]  at someone else and the evidence will demonstrate that these people knew that before they arrested this child.
[01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:55.000]  They did.
[01:25:55.000 --> 01:26:02.000]  So it may start pushing against them, especially if you get his attorney fired.
[01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:08.000]  One of the things I thought of chiming in with but didn't want to interrupt at the time is
[01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:12.000]  you should look at bar grievances against this attorney.
[01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:17.000]  That was the first thing Annette told me the very first time I talked to her on the phone three days ago.
[01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.000]  Annette's on the ball, man, I'm telling you.
[01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:24.000]  Thanks to Mark. Thank you, Mark.
[01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.000]  You're certainly welcome.
[01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:36.000]  Wendy and Deborah, has the U.S. Attorney David Capp violated any statutes by referring to this case in the newspapers?
[01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.000]  He didn't refer to the case in the press release.
[01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:50.000]  It was a generic juvenile information press release and he did not mention Annette or Ashton by name.
[01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  Okay, but anyone who read the article could just tap in a couple keywords and find out who this child was, though.
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:01.000]  You know what I mean?
[01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:11.000]  That's true, but technically they're not going to be able to hold anything against him if he didn't mention the case directly.
[01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:15.000]  Yeah, he was careful to work around that.
[01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:18.000]  He knew where the gray areas were.
[01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:29.000]  The U.S. Attorney David Capp says that he's alleging a violation of Title 18 U.S. Code Section 844E,
[01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:36.000]  but that may be a moot point now since Tony Davis says that Title 18 doesn't even exist.
[01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:45.000]  Yeah, and that's going to be a big mountain to climb to try to force the issue in this particular case.
[01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:49.000]  I don't think that that's going to be their winning point, to be honest.
[01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:53.000]  I think that it will add leverage to their side.
[01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:55.000]  That's not what will win it.
[01:27:55.000 --> 01:28:03.000]  That may well be what will win it, but not what they will turn the case over on.
[01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:05.000]  Right, that's what I'm trying to say.
[01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:08.000]  That might be the thing, the hammer, that they don't want to have to deal with.
[01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:17.000]  Here, if they're trying to use this as a PSYOP and then you throw at them that Title 18 is bogus,
[01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.000]  they do not want that to come out in the public.
[01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:22.000]  Well, see, there's other issues, too.
[01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:28.000]  As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a criminal complaint filed yet.
[01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:36.000]  That seems to be what the feds have told the media, although he's been charged,
[01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:38.000]  there's been a complaint filed.
[01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:44.000]  He's only under a criminal complaint.
[01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:49.000]  There has to be a complaint, and there has to be a warrant.
[01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:53.000]  There's definitely something wrong with the procedure here, Randy.
[01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:56.000]  Has he been brought before a magistrate?
[01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:59.000]  Yes, he was brought before the magistrate the very next morning.
[01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  But not without the choice of attorney.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:09.000]  They told him, I couldn't get one, and I was running to court because I had to be there at 10,
[01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.000]  and we weren't allowed to call anybody.
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:15.000]  So we'll appoint you, warrant.
[01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:18.000]  And he talked to my son for 30 seconds.
[01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:23.000]  And they said, well, you know, you could have told the attorney,
[01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:29.000]  since he didn't know that you didn't want to do the case then,
[01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:34.000]  the attorney said, well, you know, you don't want your son spitting in the night in jail.
[01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:39.000]  Oh, boy, and now they've had him for two months.
[01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:45.000]  And what was so amazing is that I started getting him out all over the courthouse crying,
[01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:47.000]  and my son was crying.
[01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:49.000]  Okay, hold on, we're going to break.
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[01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:32.000]  I got to close down, must get a rest tonight.
[01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:38.000]  Been running for miles on the track till we ran out of light.
[01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:44.000]  Oh, all yours coins and money, all be damned.
[01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:52.000]  I set my sights on the juggler in the way I ran.
[01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:57.000]  The rain has soaked up all the way to the farm, it won't live up to long.
[01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:04.000]  This is a crazy invasion.
[01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:09.000]  I need to know this, I need to know somehow, but please don't wake me now.
[01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:21.000]  Cause I'm sleeping in the jungle, sleeping in the jungle.
[01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:50.000]  So tired and troubled, sleeping in the jungle.
[01:32:50.000 --> 01:33:00.000]  This time are you really with them?
[01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:04.000]  It makes me so blue.
[01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:10.000]  Protect us from ourselves, cause that's the best we can do.
[01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:15.000]  These are your scissors, keep them in yourself.
[01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:25.000]  They all still hold the key, but they're still under your spell.
[01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:32.000]  Jerry Stevens, my husband, some Route 1 music for you.
[01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:35.000]  Alright, the pervasive invasion.
[01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.000]  Alright, we got to stop it.
[01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:40.000]  We need to know somehow, alright.
[01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:43.000]  So, at any rate, we're here with Annette Lundby.
[01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:48.000]  She's got Mark from Wisconsin, one of our affiliates in Madison.
[01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:55.000]  And we're just discussing general strategies that Annette could possibly take.
[01:33:55.000 --> 01:34:02.000]  And Annette, I'll tell you right now, I know who the attorney is that Tony's going to refer you to.
[01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:05.000]  And he's Norwegian too.
[01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:06.000]  Oh great.
[01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:08.000]  Yeah, he actually, he's from Norway.
[01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.000]  And that's why Tony was saying that there are some good attorneys out there.
[01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.000]  Most all of them are from other countries.
[01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:21.000]  Well, my son would be thrilled because my husband was, his grandparents came from Norway.
[01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:26.000]  Yeah, and I can vouch for this guy too that he's legitimate.
[01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:27.000]  I mean, he's got a good name.
[01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.000]  Well, I'm going to pronounce Lundibu.
[01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:30.000]  Lundibu, okay.
[01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:33.000]  Lundibu in actually Norwegian.
[01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:34.000]  Wow, okay.
[01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:37.000]  That's the idea, isn't it?
[01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:44.000]  All right, so Randy, you were saying you had some other possible strategies to go after.
[01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:50.000]  And I'm wondering about possible filing a petition for writ of papers, corpus and such,
[01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:56.000]  and for her to demand the court documents, the case file.
[01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:59.000]  And you had some other strategies as well.
[01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.000]  Why don't you tell us about it?
[01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:04.000]  Yeah, since there's rumblings, when I first heard about this,
[01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:10.000]  there was indication that someone may have stolen his identity.
[01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:11.000]  Yeah, and that you and your...
[01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:13.000]  And it's exactly someone else who did this.
[01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:19.000]  Your whole family has suffered from identity theft for a while, so good point, Randy.
[01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:21.000]  Okay, sorry, go ahead.
[01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:23.000]  This is a good case.
[01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:31.000]  If there's indication that the Feds knew this, this is a good case for a Frank's hearing.
[01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:34.000]  You go to this attorney and demand he petition for a Frank's hearing,
[01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:40.000]  and when he says no, you take out your bar grievance form and start writing on it.
[01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.000]  Send it in.
[01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:48.000]  Anything he does, anything he fails to do that he should do, file another bar grievance.
[01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:51.000]  Three or four bar grievances against him and he's out of business.
[01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:57.000]  But what a Frank's hearing is, that's a hearing for the purpose of determining
[01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:04.000]  whether or not the officer or the person who testified in order to secure a warrant
[01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:06.000]  told the truth to the magistrate.
[01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:09.000]  He did not, I can tell you that right now.
[01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.000]  He lied in court, not even my son knew that.
[01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:15.000]  Good, and what this will do was force them into court.
[01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.000]  Okay, this is how it happened the first time.
[01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:23.000]  Either the officer went to the federal magistrate
[01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:29.000]  or the officer called the federal magistrate on the phone
[01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.000]  and dictated a statement on the phone.
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:37.000]  They can do that if the magistrate has a way to record the statement.
[01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:43.000]  And if the magistrate accepts that there is probable cause based on the statement,
[01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:47.000]  he can authorize on the phone for the person to issue the warrant
[01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:51.000]  and the officer can sign the warrant for the judge.
[01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:56.000]  So what we need to determine is whether or not,
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:01.000]  since this was ex parte, just the officer and the judge,
[01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:08.000]  now we hold another hearing and the officer comes back before the judge and testifies
[01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:10.000]  except we have opposing counsel here.
[01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:16.000]  This time it's not pro se here, I mean ex parte hearing.
[01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.000]  Now it's a hearing with both parties present.
[01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:23.000]  He can challenge the evidence and cross-examine the witness
[01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:27.000]  to determine whether or not their witness is lying to the court.
[01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:31.000]  Now if they've lied to secure this warrant,
[01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:35.000]  they're going to go bananas to keep you from having a franks hearing.
[01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:37.000]  That's the last thing they're going to want to happen.
[01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:42.000]  Yeah, what they did lie, they lied in court to hold him
[01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:46.000]  and said that he had made numerous bomb threats and they were charging him
[01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:52.000]  with numerous bomb threats and that what was interesting
[01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:57.000]  is that they said it was done from an IP address.
[01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:02.000]  That's what he said and that they had traced it back to my son's computer.
[01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:07.000]  Well, we knew prior to that that my son's computer,
[01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:13.000]  Skype's account, had gotten hacked by this kid in Australia.
[01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:23.000]  You need a bill of particulars, petition for a bill of particulars.
[01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:30.000]  That says specify what you got with specificity and particularity.
[01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:35.000]  Tell me exactly what you got.
[01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:40.000]  Petition for bill of particulars and petition for franks hearing.
[01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:43.000]  Now they're compelled to bring everything to the court
[01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:50.000]  and also the SIPA filing to make sure that they're not hiding some secret documents
[01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:54.000]  which would almost certainly show that your son's innocent
[01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:59.000]  and the last thing they'd want to do is bring it to court because there's a good chance.
[01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:03.000]  What this most generally is when they do something like this
[01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:09.000]  is they want to get your son, they figure he probably knows something about what's going on.
[01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:17.000]  And Randy, that falls in line with what Tony was saying about the Classified Information Procedures Act,
[01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:20.000]  that there's always classified documents all the time.
[01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:25.000]  Yes, and they get him and put the squeeze on him and what they don't care about him,
[01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:30.000]  what they really want is him to give them someone else.
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:31.000]  Yeah.
[01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:34.000]  How long do they have to charge this child, Randy?
[01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:37.000]  I mean he's been in custody for two months for God's sake.
[01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  Yeah, that's how they do it.
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:42.000]  Now they've got the charges against you, now they put the squeeze on you.
[01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.000]  You give me what I want, I let you go.
[01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:48.000]  But Annette's not even seen a charge yet.
[01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:52.000]  Her attorney is refusing to turn over any of the documents.
[01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:54.000]  He's under a gag order.
[01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:58.000]  Yeah, that's because they don't want anybody to see the charges because they're bogus.
[01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:00.000]  They don't feel well, they're bogus.
[01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:04.000]  The last thing they want is for anybody to be able to look at them.
[01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:09.000]  Randy, I'm not so sure that they're trying to squeeze Ashton to turn someone else in.
[01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:17.000]  I think that they're just after him and Annette to give them a hard time out of retaliation
[01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:20.000]  because her son's a whistleblower at the school
[01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:26.000]  and possibly because of what happened with her husband too.
[01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:35.000]  Part of it is almost certainly the fact that the FBI only has budget to go after terrorists.
[01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:40.000]  That's what Richard Roper, head U.S. attorney in Fort Worth told me several years ago.
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.000]  When I'm trying to get him to go after some public officials, he said,
[01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:50.000]  frankly, Mr. Kelton, we only have budget to go after terrorists.
[01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:54.000]  Well, Richard, how many terrorists have you found in Fort Worth lately?
[01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:57.000]  We haven't found any yet, but we're sure looking.
[01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:00.000]  Randy, I'm sorry, go ahead.
[01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:03.000]  Here's where they get to use their budget.
[01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:07.000]  They get to do what they're supposed to do.
[01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:11.000]  Yeah, and you know if they don't use their budget, they lose their budget.
[01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:15.000]  Right. This could be as much about budget as anything.
[01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:19.000]  And also the litmus test on the public of the Patriots.
[01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:20.000]  Correct.
[01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:23.000]  Now, Randy, there's another issue here too.
[01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:26.000]  Okay, regarding this Jason Bennett.
[01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:28.000]  Is that what the other kid's name is, Annette?
[01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:29.000]  Oh, yeah.
[01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:36.000]  Okay, Jason Bennett, all right, from what I've been able to determine from speaking with Annette over the last few days
[01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:43.000]  and the documents I've read and the articles, looks to me like this kid is a little snitch.
[01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:50.000]  He's a little informant punk, okay, that's getting paid by the feds to set up Ashton
[01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:56.000]  because there's documentation and Annette, I think you can tell me,
[01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:01.000]  there's evidence to show that this other kid is actually the one that's making bomb threats
[01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:08.000]  and the feds aren't even looking at him at all, okay, which shows obviously he's working for the feds.
[01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:16.000]  And so what I want to know is, is there a way to force the hand to investigate this other child?
[01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.000]  I mean, you know what I'm saying?
[01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:29.000]  What they may have is a problem if the child is in Australia because they may not be able to go after him.
[01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:30.000]  That's right, that's right.
[01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.000]  So they need somebody.
[01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  They went completely on his testimony, on his dropping a dime.
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:41.000]  They went completely on his testimony.
[01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:47.000]  Even the kids will admit that he provided all the information to the FBI.
[01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:50.000]  I mean, he's all over the place.
[01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:52.000]  I'd like to see this sworn statement from Australia.
[01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:56.000]  I'll bet you money it doesn't even exist.
[01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:58.000]  We really need CIPRA on this one.
[01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:02.000]  These will be CIPRA documents.
[01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:04.000]  So this would be an excellent issue for us.
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:08.000]  What is a CIPRA document?
[01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:13.000]  The Classified Information Procedures Act.
[01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:16.000]  Yeah, that's what Tony was talking about.
[01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.000]  This is a perfect place to go with CIPRA.
[01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:23.000]  It's called the Classified Information Procedures Act.
[01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:24.000]  What was the word?
[01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:29.000]  It was just the anacronym for the name of that law.
[01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.000]  Yeah, right, CIPRA.
[01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:32.000]  Yeah, it's just the anacronym.
[01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:35.000]  50 USC, appendix 50.
[01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:41.000]  So this would be a good place to do that, and this is a good cause to do that.
[01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:46.000]  Because if they have evidence that they worked with this kid
[01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:51.000]  and they used this kid to entrap your son,
[01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:55.000]  they are absolutely not going to want to release that.
[01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:56.000]  Well, he's released it.
[01:43:56.000 --> 01:44:00.000]  This kid's released it already.
[01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.000]  That's the problem when they mess with kids,
[01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:04.000]  especially when he's out of country.
[01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.000]  You never know what he's going to do to you.
[01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:13.000]  But a CIPRA request, petition for bill of particulars,
[01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:20.000]  and petition for a thanks hearing should get their attention
[01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:25.000]  because now you're saying, okay, guys, lay it all on the table.
[01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:33.000]  Well, I was told by his attorney, I asked, you know, for certain things,
[01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:38.000]  and he said, well, you know, I don't represent you, Ashton's my client.
[01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:42.000]  Yeah, but you're the legal guardian.
[01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:45.000]  You have a right.
[01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:49.000]  I said, but excuse me, I said, then why would you need my signature then
[01:44:49.000 --> 01:44:51.000]  for anything if that's the case?
[01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:52.000]  That's right.
[01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:58.000]  I said, I'm still his mother, and I can go in and intervene if I need to,
[01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:00.000]  and I will, and I've told him that.
[01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.000]  He knows I'm not playing.
[01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:08.000]  Yeah, and see, he was just given a lame excuse because the real reason
[01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:14.000]  he's not telling you anything is because he's under gag order, you know,
[01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:17.000]  and he's just acting like Mr. Big Shot.
[01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:20.000]  How does Annette get access to her own son's records?
[01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.000]  I mean, this is ludicrous.
[01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:28.000]  Well, she's going to have to file motions, but she does have the right.
[01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:33.000]  See, cases involving minors are always sealed, but they're just sealed
[01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:34.000]  for the public.
[01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:38.000]  They're not sealed against the custodial guardian,
[01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.000]  the legal custodial guardian.
[01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:45.000]  As a custodial guardian of a minor, she has standing before the court.
[01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:48.000]  Well, it was sealed for me.
[01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:53.000]  Well, no, that the gag order is what's keeping the information from you,
[01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:55.000]  not the sealing of the case.
[01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:56.000]  All right, correct.
[01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:00.000]  Because they always seal the case, and that's why the judge handed down
[01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:06.000]  this gag order because just sealing the case was not enough to stonewall you.
[01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:08.000]  They had to do this gag order, but you know what?
[01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:11.000]  It's really flimsy what they're doing.
[01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:18.000]  It's pretty shoddy, to be honest, because they have no right to keep you
[01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:21.000]  from accessing the case when you're the legal guardian,
[01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:26.000]  and so this gag order, they're just grasping at straws, really.
[01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:30.000]  I mean, I know that the documents that Tony was talking about,
[01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:36.000]  you'll be able to get the access to the case, to the case file.
[01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:40.000]  You may have to appeal to a higher court because this attorney,
[01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:43.000]  this judge is probably not going to want to do it right away,
[01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:50.000]  but I think they're starting to see that you're not messing around.
[01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:52.000]  Oh, I'm not going away.
[01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.000]  And just for kicks, Randy and Deborah,
[01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:57.000]  how many bar grievances do you see at this point so far?
[01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.000]  Because I noticed her attorney in North Carolina didn't try
[01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.000]  and intervene when they were extraditing him.
[01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:09.000]  The attorney she's got now, I don't think he's got any plans to file
[01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:14.000]  any counter motions for moving the juvenile proceedings up to
[01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.000]  an adult proceedings.
[01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:20.000]  Her attorney is completely working for the state.
[01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:24.000]  You can almost see just from his actions that he's taking orders
[01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:29.000]  directly from the prosecutor.
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:34.000]  One bar grievance might be an allegation of conspiracy between
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:38.000]  the defense counsel and prosecutor to deny your son
[01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:42.000]  in his constitutional rights.
[01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:47.000]  And what about a bar grievance against the judge?
[01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:48.000]  Can you do that?
[01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:50.000]  I mean, because he's denying...
[01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.000]  No, they don't necessarily carry a bar card anymore.
[01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:55.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:57.000]  If you can file a judicial conduct complaint against him
[01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:01.000]  and a challenge, then you can move to liquidate his bond.
[01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:04.000]  That gets their attention.
[01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:07.000]  Agenda 21.
[01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:11.000]  We need Moses out of South Carolina.
[01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:16.000]  I'll get ahold of some contacts if I can get him.
[01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:18.000]  He's in South Carolina, so he's not too far.
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.000]  Maybe I can get you two together.
[01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:24.000]  He's taken out some federal judges just by going after their bonds.
[01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:25.000]  Wow.
[01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:29.000]  You start going after their careers, that tends to change things.
[01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:37.000]  Well, now, Annette, okay, James Gates, he was the federal magistrate
[01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.000]  that presided over the initial hearing.
[01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.000]  There's been three hearings so far.
[01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:43.000]  Now, you were telling me yesterday,
[01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:49.000]  I think that the actual judge that's presiding over the case is Judge Miller,
[01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:55.000]  and I looked up the Northern Indiana Circuit Court,
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:00.000]  and he is the chief justice of that court.
[01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.000]  Yeah, that's what I've been told.
[01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:08.000]  But like I said, nothing I've been told by my attorney has been the truth.
[01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:14.000]  So, and I've been told, you know, but we don't know for a fact that's who it is.
[01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:15.000]  Right.
[01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:19.000]  Like I said, I haven't been told the truth about anything.
[01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:23.000]  As the whole movie scene goes, they don't know what the truth is.
[01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.000]  They don't know the truth.
[01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:28.000]  I don't, and I definitely don't know.
[01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:32.000]  I'm definitely kept in the dark, but, you know.
[01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:33.000]  We'll see.
[01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:34.000]  Why I went to the media?
[01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:36.000]  Why in the world would you do that?
[01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:37.000]  Right.
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:38.000]  Why would I be stupid?
[01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:43.000]  Well, see, it shows me that they just don't know what they were doing
[01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:47.000]  because what they're doing is flimsy and shoddy on its face
[01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:53.000]  with a stupid gag order that it just doesn't make any sense.
[01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:57.000]  It holds no water legally because it can't deny you access to the case
[01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:59.000]  because you're the custodial guardian, okay?
[01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:04.000]  And now what's happened is they're trying to rush him into this other hearing
[01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:06.000]  to get him bound over as an adult.
[01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:11.000]  But since you've been going on all these radio shows and TV shows,
[01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:13.000]  you were on The Today Show, Alex Jones,
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:19.000]  and now they want to keep him as a juvenile, it looks like you're saying.
[01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:21.000]  Yeah, I didn't go on The Today Show.
[01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:22.000]  Oh, you didn't go on The Today Show.
[01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:23.000]  No, no, no, no.
[01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:24.000]  Okay, I thought you went on The Today Show.
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:28.000]  Actually, Mickey Sherman's office advised me not to.
[01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.000]  Who is that?
[01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:33.000]  He's a very high-profile lawyer on the East Coast.
[01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:34.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:39.000]  He does a lot of legal shows like CNN, Fox.
[01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:44.000]  Yeah, it's very likely that they wanted to set you up.
[01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:48.000]  Yeah, and I had a real bad feeling about it, and I always go with my gut,
[01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.000]  and my gut never lets me down.
[01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:51.000]  Good for you.
[01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:52.000]  I'm the same way.
[01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:57.000]  Oh, Annette, we have a caller from North Carolina, Nolan.
[01:50:57.000 --> 01:50:58.000]  Nolan, thanks for calling in.
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:02.000]  You have a question for Annette?
[01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:04.000]  Nolan?
[01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:07.000]  Yeah, I was calling in just to listen.
[01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:08.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.000]  There's a listener line.
[01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:17.000]  We have a listener line, 512-485-9010.
[01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:21.000]  So listeners, if you'd like to just listen, please use that line,
[01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:27.000]  because it kind of confuses us when we see callers on the caller page.
[01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:32.000]  Now, Randy and Debra, do you think this was just thrown in the lap
[01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:37.000]  of these Indiana boys by the FBI, and they don't know what to do with it?
[01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:40.000]  They're running around like chickens with their heads cut off,
[01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.000]  or do you think this whole thing was planned out?
[01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:43.000]  No, no.
[01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:48.000]  This whole thing was completely orchestrated and carefully designed
[01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:52.000]  from beginning to end with the kid with a little snitch
[01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:59.000]  and the faking of the prank calls and just the whole thing, okay,
[01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:03.000]  to Purdue University so they could get them out,
[01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:11.000]  because probably I would imagine maybe the court in Indiana is more corrupt or something,
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:15.000]  and so they wanted to get them into another court where they had more people.
[01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:23.000]  I have been told that the North Carolina courts will have not allowed this to have happened.
[01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.000]  Yes, see, that's what I thought.
[01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:31.000]  By a very high-powered attorney, a defense attorney in this state.
[01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:32.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:35.000]  Move for change of venue.
[01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:45.000]  A non-spotonk motion, non-spotonk goes to inconvenient or improper venue,
[01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:52.000]  and technically since he's accused of committing this act in North Carolina,
[01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:55.000]  he must be tried in North Carolina by Constitution,
[01:52:55.000 --> 01:53:02.000]  so a non-spotonk would be appropriate to move it back to North Carolina.
[01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:06.000]  Yeah, well, the reason they did that is because the calls were allegedly made
[01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.000]  to Purdue University in Indiana.
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.000]  That doesn't matter where the call was made to.
[01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:14.000]  What matters is where the call was made from.
[01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:16.000]  Right.
[01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:22.000]  It was made from North Carolina that North Carolina federal courts have jurisdiction.
[01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:27.000]  When the states gathered together and created this union,
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:33.000]  the one thing they said is you're not coming into our state and taking someone out of our courts
[01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:36.000]  and taking him to a foreign venue to try it.
[01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:40.000]  If he commits a crime in the state, he's tried in the state.
[01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.000]  That's the Constitution.
[01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:48.000]  Right, and also by them moving the case to Indiana,
[01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:53.000]  it makes it that much more difficult for Annette to go down to the courthouse
[01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:55.000]  and get documents and do anything about it.
[01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:57.000]  That was their intention.
[01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:00.000]  Absolutely.
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:02.000]  To do that.
[01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:04.000]  All right, we have another caller on the line.
[01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:07.000]  We've got John from Florida.
[01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:08.000]  John, thanks for calling in.
[01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:11.000]  You have a question for Annette?
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:12.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:13.000]  Is Eddie Craig on the line as well?
[01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:16.000]  I just found out I haven't been listening in.
[01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:19.000]  We're going to bring up Eddie at the top of the hour.
[01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:25.000]  I'm sorry, we're having an interview with Annette Lundby right now.
[01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:30.000]  Okay, that's all right.
[01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:32.000]  Yeah, we'll bring up Eddie at the top of the hour.
[01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:35.000]  He'll probably have some comments about this as well.
[01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:39.000]  Yes, and about your attorney and bar grievances,
[01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:45.000]  any motion that we can reasonably come up with that should have been filed
[01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:48.000]  should get a bar grievance against the attorney.
[01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:49.000]  Okay.
[01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:53.000]  And if you sting that attorney really good,
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:55.000]  the first thing he's going to do is run to the judge
[01:54:55.000 --> 01:55:00.000]  and ask to be removed from the case.
[01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.000]  And what I'd suggest you do is when you burn him good,
[01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:05.000]  because he gets three or four bar grievances,
[01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:08.000]  he can't get malpractice insurance.
[01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:10.000]  And he's history.
[01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.000]  So he's going to scream bloody murder from the bar grievances,
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:16.000]  and when he tries to get removed, you go to the judge
[01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:21.000]  and demand that the judge not remove him because he's under contract.
[01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:25.000]  What about malpractice, suing for malpractice?
[01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:27.000]  You sue him later for malpractice.
[01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:30.000]  That's what I mean, later, not now.
[01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:37.000]  Anything that comes under malpractice is cause for a bar grievance.
[01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:39.000]  Randy, guess what else happened?
[01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:45.000]  She started to retain a lawyer in Houston and gave him $2,500,
[01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:49.000]  and then the lawyer wanted $60,000,
[01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:52.000]  and so she told him to take a hike, basically,
[01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:56.000]  and now he won't give her the money back.
[01:55:56.000 --> 01:56:02.000]  First thing he should get is a bar grievance, and then a tort letter.
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:06.000]  I've written him a letter, and I told him not to worry,
[01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:07.000]  and I've called him.
[01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:10.000]  He's not returned any of my calls.
[01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:12.000]  I actually gave him $5,000.
[01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  Oh, my gosh.
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:19.000]  And he only returned $2,500 because he said he made a couple of phone calls for me.
[01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:20.000]  Oh, my goodness.
[01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:24.000]  And I said, well, I didn't ask you to make any phone calls.
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:26.000]  You took it upon yourself.
[01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:30.000]  And I said, and per your own contract agreement,
[01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  it states that if the money is not in by Friday,
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:39.000]  that the agreement is no longer valid.
[01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:41.000]  So you took it upon yourself.
[01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:49.000]  I said, but if you do not return, I said, I think $500 is a reasonable fee
[01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:52.000]  because he told me that my consolation was free.
[01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:56.000]  And then they tell me, and I made sure that before I flew out there,
[01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:59.000]  said I have to see you Monday morning,
[01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:03.000]  but they were on the phone about getting that money to him, getting that money to him,
[01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:08.000]  and I told them I wasn't going to come out and send my money to somebody I didn't know.
[01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:11.000]  I said, I want to meet with you.
[01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:15.000]  And then he said, well, first he said $30,000.
[01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:19.000]  And then when I got out there, it was $60,000.
[01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:23.000]  And I flew out there on a Monday morning,
[01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:27.000]  and I flew home that afternoon in one day to Houston for Molly Jump
[01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:33.000]  and getting a great fortune to get out there at the last minute.
[01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:35.000]  And then he wants to keep my money.
[01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:38.000]  And I told him, I said, well, I'm going to file a bar grievance.
[01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:43.000]  There's no doubt about that.
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:45.000]  If he thinks I'm playing...
[01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:47.000]  If this is a Texas lawyer?
[01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:49.000]  Yes.
[01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:56.000]  You can file three or four bar grievances and you'll shut down his law firm.
[01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:58.000]  His law firm won't be able to get...
[01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:02.000]  Why is Texas so special about that, Randy?
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  I know about Texas.
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.000]  I suspect it about other states.
[01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:08.000]  Well, what is it with three?
[01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:09.000]  Well...
[01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:12.000]  Is there something special about that number?
[01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:15.000]  One bar grievance your first year of practice,
[01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:18.000]  they'll cancel your malpractice insurance.
[01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:21.000]  Two bar grievances any one year of practice,
[01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  they cancel your malpractice insurance.
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.000]  Three bar grievances any one year,
[01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:28.000]  they cancel your law firm's malpractice.
[01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:29.000]  Wow.
[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:31.000]  All right, well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:32.000]  It's the top of the hour.
[01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:38.000]  We're going to bring Eddie, Craig into the conversation on the other side.
[01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:42.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stephens.
[01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:44.000]  We're here with Annette Loon to be.
[01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:47.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:59:03.000]  Do you know what the law firm is?
[01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:04.000]  It's the law firm.
[01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:05.000]  It's the law firm.
[01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:06.000]  It's the law firm.
[01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:07.000]  It's the law firm.
[01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:10.000]  Heat to the Heat from the kitchen
[01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:12.000]  Yeah
[01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:16.000]  Heat from the kitchen
[01:59:17.500 --> 01:59:20.000]  Heat from the kitchen
[01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:25.500]  Heat from the kitchen
[01:59:25.500 --> 01:59:43.500]  He came out of the kitchen Mr. Robin Limer and Mr. Nice Guy
[01:59:43.500 --> 01:59:48.500]  Requiring my soul and mind With a pencil and a bow and a knife on a mission
[01:59:48.500 --> 01:59:56.500]  I'd like to see you blessing me with a mission One time I come to the front Mr. Robin Limer and Mr. Nice Guy