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[00:00.000 --> 00:06.480]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:06.480 --> 00:12.360]  In Georgia, 30,000 opposition supporters poured into the capital Tbilisi Wednesday to join
[00:12.360 --> 00:17.520]  protests aimed at forcing President Mikhail Saakashvili to step down.
[00:17.520 --> 00:23.360]  Britain's top policeman, Sir Paul Stevenson, says police who conceal their ID numbers will
[00:23.360 --> 00:24.360]  be fired.
[00:24.360 --> 00:30.960]  Stevenson's comments follow allegations that several officers did just that at the G20
[00:30.960 --> 00:35.560]  protests, including the officer who pushed newspaper seller Ian Tomlinson just before
[00:35.560 --> 00:36.560]  he died.
[00:36.560 --> 00:41.720]  Silvio Berlusconi, Italy's Prime Minister, Thursday announced he is changing the venue
[00:41.720 --> 00:47.520]  for July's G8 meeting from a small island off Sardinia to the town of Lachila, which
[00:47.520 --> 00:50.240]  was shattered by earthquake this month.
[00:50.240 --> 01:00.120]  Police say the move is calculated to thwart anti-globalization protesters.
[01:00.120 --> 01:05.240]  Barack Obama rebuffed calls Thursday for a commission to investigate alleged torture
[01:05.240 --> 01:10.720]  abuses under the Bush administration, telling congressional leaders he wants to look forward
[01:10.720 --> 01:13.120]  instead of litigating the past.
[01:13.120 --> 01:17.400]  Obama backed away from a statement earlier this week that suggested he could support
[01:17.400 --> 01:21.560]  an independent commission to examine possible abuses.
[01:21.560 --> 01:27.080]  White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters the President determined the concept
[01:27.080 --> 01:33.600]  didn't seem workable because of the intense partisan atmosphere built around the issue.
[01:33.600 --> 01:38.520]  The push for a truth commission, which grew from a few human rights groups, gained momentum
[01:38.520 --> 01:44.040]  with last week's release of memos from the Justice Department that provided the basis
[01:44.040 --> 01:48.040]  for harsh interrogation techniques, including waterboarding.
[01:48.040 --> 01:53.040]  Obama has said he is opposed to holding CIA interrogators legally recountable, but he
[01:53.040 --> 01:59.520]  left open the possibility of legal jeopardy for those who formulated the policy.
[01:59.520 --> 02:05.200]  The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overrule a long-standing law that
[02:05.200 --> 02:10.840]  stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present.
[02:10.840 --> 02:16.120]  The administration's action and several others have disappointed civil liberties groups that
[02:16.120 --> 02:21.840]  expected Barack Obama to reverse the policies of George Bush following Obama's election
[02:21.840 --> 02:24.400]  campaign call for change.
[02:24.400 --> 02:29.600]  Since taking office, Obama has drawn criticism for backing the continued imprisonment of
[02:29.600 --> 02:35.360]  enemy combatants in Afghanistan without trial, for invoking the state secret's privilege
[02:35.360 --> 02:41.000]  to avoid releasing information lawsuits, and for limiting the rights of prisoners to test
[02:41.000 --> 02:44.240]  genetic evidence used to convict them.
[02:44.240 --> 02:49.880]  The case at issue is Michigan versus Jackson, in which the Supreme Court said police may
[02:49.880 --> 02:56.080]  not question a defendant who has a lawyer who has or has asked for one unless the attorney
[02:56.080 --> 02:57.080]  is present.
[02:57.080 --> 03:10.280]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
[03:10.280 --> 03:15.280]  talk radio at its best.
[03:15.280 --> 03:28.280]  Yes, Mr. Alphys, have you taken the line ahead, and won't you follow the law of the land?
[03:28.280 --> 03:31.280]  I don't understand.
[03:31.280 --> 03:40.280]  Your job is to protect and preserve, not beat and abuse.
[03:40.280 --> 03:45.680]  When you're going to stop abuse, you're power.
[03:45.680 --> 03:52.280]  When you're going to stop abuse, you're power.
[03:52.280 --> 03:57.280]  When you're going to stop abuse, you're power.
[03:57.280 --> 04:02.180]  When you're going to stop abuse, you're power.
[04:02.180 --> 04:15.980]  Okay, we are back for the second half of the rule of law radio program here on Friday evenings,
[04:15.980 --> 04:21.820]  our Friday info marathon with Eddie Craig.
[04:21.820 --> 04:27.820]  And I have a couple of announcements to make before we continue with the traffic issue.
[04:27.820 --> 04:33.340]  Number one, again, listeners, don't forget, either go down to the Capitol or even if you
[04:33.340 --> 04:39.500]  do go down, still write up a written testimony regarding the paper ballots issue, hand counted
[04:39.500 --> 04:42.060]  paper ballots in public view.
[04:42.060 --> 04:43.660]  We don't trust the machines.
[04:43.660 --> 04:45.780]  I don't care if the machines are accurate.
[04:45.780 --> 04:47.780]  We don't care how accurate the machines can be.
[04:47.780 --> 04:54.260]  The whole point is that there's no public oversight of the counting, okay?
[04:54.260 --> 04:57.660]  We don't want paper trails.
[04:57.660 --> 05:03.220]  We don't want to be able to go back and verify that the machines really worked on election
[05:03.220 --> 05:04.220]  night.
[05:04.220 --> 05:07.540]  No, we want to watch the counting as it's happening.
[05:07.540 --> 05:11.740]  The only way that's going to be able to be done is with paper ballots hand counted in
[05:11.740 --> 05:13.780]  public view on videotape.
[05:13.780 --> 05:19.060]  So that's House Bill 4653 at 2 p.m. this Monday.
[05:19.060 --> 05:23.900]  If you can't make it, please write a written testimony saying that you authorized Vicki
[05:23.900 --> 05:30.340]  Carpenter and Rennick to submit your written testimony, email that to them or go down yourself
[05:30.340 --> 05:36.260]  and turn it in 2 p.m. this Saturday, I mean, this Monday at the Capitol.
[05:36.260 --> 05:40.020]  And now we've got Chris Emory from Oklahoma calling in.
[05:40.020 --> 05:44.060]  He's one of our hosts, Radio Free Oklahoma, with some important news from Oklahoma.
[05:44.060 --> 05:45.620]  Chris, thanks for calling in.
[05:45.620 --> 05:48.780]  Hey, Deb, thanks for taking my call.
[05:48.780 --> 05:49.780]  Great two-hour first segment.
[05:49.780 --> 05:54.060]  It was very interesting and I appreciate the efforts of your guests.
[05:54.060 --> 05:58.220]  I was taking notes, both mental and written notes, on that.
[05:58.220 --> 06:04.620]  If I may just offer a one-minute update to State Governor Brad Henry.
[06:04.620 --> 06:10.660]  On the last hour of business today, between 4 and 5 p.m., I was told that he actually
[06:10.660 --> 06:17.180]  vetoed the House Joint Resolution and the Senate Resolution on the 10th Amendment.
[06:17.180 --> 06:20.020]  But it's not the end-all, be-all.
[06:20.020 --> 06:26.220]  There's still an option to override the veto with a two-thirds majority vote on the floor
[06:26.220 --> 06:31.340]  of the State House, which it looks like it'll be attainable because it was originally voted
[06:31.340 --> 06:38.700]  in favor at 83 to 13, and so two-thirds doesn't seem to be a bad goal there.
[06:38.700 --> 06:40.740]  But the Senate's going to be pretty tight.
[06:40.740 --> 06:46.060]  But if I may, let me offer the reasoning behind the Governor's veto here, and it's what they
[06:46.060 --> 06:50.900]  call a statement, the veto message, the official statement.
[06:50.900 --> 06:52.260]  So this will be real quick here.
[06:52.260 --> 06:59.300]  This is HDR 1003, which was originally filed in the clerk's office on, I believe, February
[06:59.300 --> 07:03.380]  the 3rd of this year, right before the session started.
[07:03.380 --> 07:08.820]  And it's quoted as, without question, the State of Oklahoma and its leaders support
[07:08.820 --> 07:13.420]  the U.S. Constitution and the rights it guarantees to the states and their citizens.
[07:13.420 --> 07:18.780]  And there's no need to spend valuable legislative time on a resolution expressing support for
[07:18.780 --> 07:21.300]  any particular amendment or constitutional right.
[07:21.300 --> 07:23.580]  Now, this is coming from the Governor's pen.
[07:23.580 --> 07:28.780]  Furthermore, HDR 1003 alleges, without offering any evidence or explanation that past and
[07:28.780 --> 07:34.220]  current U.S. may have violated the Constitution and committed crimes against the states and
[07:34.220 --> 07:40.060]  the country, HDR 1003 also implies that the state should reject federal tax dollars paid
[07:40.060 --> 07:45.860]  to Washington, D.C. by Oklahoma citizens, an act that would prevent our tax dollars
[07:45.860 --> 07:50.300]  from being used in Oklahoma to address critical needs, transportation, education, and so forth.
[07:50.300 --> 07:51.300]  Oh, boy.
[07:51.300 --> 07:56.540]  And he finishes off, in short, HDR 1003 could be detrimental to Oklahoma and does not serve
[07:56.540 --> 07:59.300]  the state or its citizens in any positive manner.
[07:59.300 --> 08:00.300]  Unbelievable.
[08:00.300 --> 08:05.900]  You wonder what universe this Governor is living in, and it clearly shows that...
[08:05.900 --> 08:11.300]  I remember, I came here, I moved here three weeks before his inauguration, and I actually
[08:11.300 --> 08:17.260]  attended the ball as an employee of the convention center that actually hosted the event.
[08:17.260 --> 08:18.260]  It was unbelievable.
[08:18.260 --> 08:20.460]  I spared no expense.
[08:20.460 --> 08:24.540]  And I saw his, I heard part of his speech then, and I said, he has no clue what's going
[08:24.540 --> 08:25.540]  on.
[08:25.540 --> 08:29.300]  He simply does not, he's not in touch with the citizens of Oklahoma, and this is indicative
[08:29.300 --> 08:32.620]  of that over close to six and a half years later.
[08:32.620 --> 08:36.180]  Yeah, he's in touch with the feds is who he's in touch with.
[08:36.180 --> 08:40.540]  Well, it's a cloistered life that he leads, and we've seen this time and time again, even
[08:40.540 --> 08:41.540]  in...
[08:41.540 --> 08:45.020]  Andrew, our cohost, has interviewed him on at least two occasions, and he looks at you
[08:45.020 --> 08:46.980]  like he's in a deer in the headlights.
[08:46.980 --> 08:48.420]  He's worse than Obama.
[08:48.420 --> 08:54.500]  This guy, he completely caves if he doesn't have some type of a prom card or, you know,
[08:54.500 --> 08:55.500]  a screen in front of him.
[08:55.500 --> 08:58.060]  Otherwise, he does not speak for himself.
[08:58.060 --> 09:02.020]  That's not the kind of Governor we want, and this clearly shows that he's not looking up
[09:02.020 --> 09:03.500]  the needs of the people.
[09:03.500 --> 09:04.500]  Unbelievable.
[09:04.500 --> 09:09.340]  So the House and the Senate both passed the 10th Amendment resolution in Oklahoma, and
[09:09.340 --> 09:11.340]  the Governor vetoes it.
[09:11.340 --> 09:16.380]  Boo-hiss, boo-hiss on the Governor of Oklahoma right now.
[09:16.380 --> 09:21.260]  So there's a silver lining on the clock, so to speak, and hopefully they'll be able to
[09:21.260 --> 09:26.140]  get two-thirds majority vote in both chambers before the end of the session, which is typically
[09:26.140 --> 09:30.340]  the Friday before Memorial weekend, and of course, session will resume next February
[09:30.340 --> 09:36.060]  of 2010, but thank you for the opportunity to give you folks an update on that.
[09:36.060 --> 09:37.060]  Sure.
[09:37.060 --> 09:38.060]  Well, thank you, Chris.
[09:38.060 --> 09:39.060]  We appreciate that.
[09:39.060 --> 09:40.060]  You're welcome.
[09:40.060 --> 09:44.660]  So anyone in Oklahoma, you need to call your state rep and your state senator and get them
[09:44.660 --> 09:52.900]  to vote to override this idiot Governor of Oklahoma's veto, I would say.
[09:52.900 --> 09:54.100]  Unbelievable.
[09:54.100 --> 09:59.260]  Here in Texas, people, please don't forget House Bill 4653 to get hand-counted paper
[09:59.260 --> 10:05.140]  ballots in public view under video camera here in Texas so that we can actually have
[10:05.140 --> 10:10.940]  a real elections again and not rigged elections, and again, because I got all kinds of crazy
[10:10.940 --> 10:16.540]  emails from technologists, and believe me, I'm a computer tech myself, so I should know
[10:16.540 --> 10:22.100]  more than anyone, and if people are into computer programming, they should know more than anyone,
[10:22.100 --> 10:26.900]  you know, how, you know, the vulnerabilities, but I mean, that's just not the point.
[10:26.900 --> 10:30.260]  It doesn't matter how accurate the machines can count or how fast.
[10:30.260 --> 10:34.940]  The point is we want to watch the counting, all right, so you can't watch the counting
[10:34.940 --> 10:37.780]  if it's inside a computer.
[10:37.780 --> 10:41.740]  It's not a matter of how accurately they can count.
[10:41.740 --> 10:45.140]  It's a matter of how accurately they actually do count.
[10:45.140 --> 10:47.340]  Well, to me, it's not even that.
[10:47.340 --> 10:53.820]  It's a matter of how accurately do we get to watch the counting, okay?
[10:53.820 --> 10:58.500]  You can't watch the counting inside a computer, all right?
[10:58.500 --> 11:01.700]  We have to watch the counting as it takes place.
[11:01.700 --> 11:07.180]  The said last week, I want to watch all day long, I want to make sure the ballot box is
[11:07.180 --> 11:11.100]  empty at the beginning, I'm going to watch that thing all day, I'm going to watch the
[11:11.100 --> 11:15.980]  votes go in one at a time, make sure there ain't no ballot stuffing, I'm going to watch
[11:15.980 --> 11:20.460]  them come out one at a time, and I'm going to watch as the person who reads the vote,
[11:20.460 --> 11:25.060]  I'm going to read the vote to, and make sure the tick mark goes in the right column as
[11:25.060 --> 11:29.260]  the person is counting them, and I'm going to add them up myself, too, and make sure
[11:29.260 --> 11:34.540]  that the total is accurate and that that total for that precinct is posted on the door, none
[11:34.540 --> 11:38.700]  of this taking the ballot boxes off to the convention center to be counted somewhere
[11:38.700 --> 11:42.020]  else, and that's going to happen at every precinct, and I'm going to drive around to
[11:42.020 --> 11:47.180]  every precinct and read the results and make sure that that's what the county is reporting
[11:47.180 --> 11:48.180]  as well.
[11:48.180 --> 11:53.180]  Okay, that's the only way we're going to have accurate elections, and not just me being
[11:53.180 --> 11:57.620]  able to watch all that, but anybody who wants to, okay, that's the only way we're going
[11:57.620 --> 11:59.340]  to have real elections.
[11:59.340 --> 12:05.660]  To quote Joseph Stalin, he who casts the vote decides nothing, he who counts the vote decides
[12:05.660 --> 12:06.660]  everything.
[12:06.660 --> 12:12.140]  That's absolutely correct, okay, so for Brian, you know, in Pennsylvania, you know, words
[12:12.140 --> 12:17.100]  of wisdom from Joseph Stalin that we should all take heed, all right, so now let's move
[12:17.100 --> 12:23.620]  on, we're going to go to Dominic in Texas, all right, Dominic, thanks for calling in,
[12:23.620 --> 12:24.620]  you have a question for Eddie?
[12:24.620 --> 12:30.700]  Well, I just had more like a comment, something that we can do because like Eddie was saying
[12:30.700 --> 12:35.580]  before about these judges that you can go to their courtroom and then they try and give
[12:35.580 --> 12:40.240]  testimony from the bench or try and do any other thing that they're not supposed to.
[12:40.240 --> 12:44.340]  Something that would be real good to do is just have a lot of us just go up there and
[12:44.340 --> 12:48.700]  be court watchers, as soon as they try and do something like that, just hit them with
[12:48.700 --> 12:53.820]  either criminal complaints or judicial complaints like that, they really don't know what's
[12:53.820 --> 12:58.940]  going on, you know, we just hit them with all that, it would be nice to, you know, find
[12:58.940 --> 13:03.620]  out when somebody's going to court that they're going to be doing these things and we can
[13:03.620 --> 13:10.060]  have these complaints already filled out and as soon as they start doing something that's
[13:10.060 --> 13:15.700]  not in their scope or their authority to do, that's when we just go after them, that way
[13:15.700 --> 13:19.700]  they're always on their toes about, you know, when are we going to be there and when are
[13:19.700 --> 13:23.820]  we going to be doing these things to them and they should be more careful about how
[13:23.820 --> 13:25.420]  they treat people.
[13:25.420 --> 13:31.020]  You can go on my website and download blank criminal complaints, I take those with me,
[13:31.020 --> 13:40.260]  I love those things because when they arrested me at the State House, at the Secretary of
[13:40.260 --> 13:46.300]  State's building, I was sitting down writing out, filling out one of those criminal complaints,
[13:46.300 --> 13:54.860]  it drove them crazy and I do this in court all the time, I go to a clerk and she gives
[13:54.860 --> 13:59.580]  me just a little crapola, I take out a criminal complaint and start filling it out.
[13:59.580 --> 14:01.300]  There we go.
[14:01.300 --> 14:02.860]  Talk about getting their attention.
[14:02.860 --> 14:08.580]  Yeah, I've actually started where I take a stack of my own and they're already free
[14:08.580 --> 14:13.500]  filled out and everything with the exception of the name of the person being charged and
[14:13.500 --> 14:16.860]  the date they're being charged and the specific location.
[14:16.860 --> 14:21.660]  The crime of what they're being charged with is already pretty well known.
[14:21.660 --> 14:27.060]  So I have all that filled out and ready to go and I try to find out as quick as possible
[14:27.060 --> 14:32.660]  if I'm having to go to court when that is and I will round up as many people as possible
[14:32.660 --> 14:34.100]  to go with me.
[14:34.100 --> 14:40.300]  Now I have one added benefit here in my hometown and that is that I have made a very public
[14:40.300 --> 14:45.980]  display of what's going on when these people charge me or arrest me or anything like that.
[14:45.980 --> 14:51.860]  I make sure that I call the local paper and make a very big thing out of it and now they
[14:51.860 --> 14:56.940]  have got to the point where if my name appears on any blot or anywhere, there's an article
[14:56.940 --> 15:03.580]  about it and when there's an article about it, people come looking to ask questions and
[15:03.580 --> 15:07.780]  I've got these criminal complaints that I could give them and say, well, your questions
[15:07.780 --> 15:11.700]  are going to come here very shortly but when you see this, this and this happen, I would
[15:11.700 --> 15:16.660]  greatly appreciate it if you would put your name and their name right here and sign this
[15:16.660 --> 15:17.660]  and we'll both be happy.
[15:17.660 --> 15:18.660]  There we go.
[15:18.660 --> 15:25.300]  That's what I'm saying that we should be doing also over here or something just like that
[15:25.300 --> 15:29.260]  whenever they start doing things like that, they just have all sorts of criminal complaints
[15:29.260 --> 15:34.740]  and judicial complaints hit them and really, they don't even know who the majority of the
[15:34.740 --> 15:37.380]  people are just there to see.
[15:37.380 --> 15:43.580]  We can all just say we're porpoise, then all of a sudden we hit them with these complaints.
[15:43.580 --> 15:50.060]  One thing about when you go there, if they ever ask me why I'm there, I'll go in and
[15:50.060 --> 15:54.140]  sit down in the court and I always wear a suit and I always have something I'm writing
[15:54.140 --> 15:58.600]  on so it gets their attention and makes them nervous and I have them come over asking me
[15:58.600 --> 16:04.660]  questions and if they ask me what my business there is, I have a pat answer.
[16:04.660 --> 16:12.940]  Entertainment, I'm here, this is my form of entertainment, in short, get lost.
[16:12.940 --> 16:18.260]  Well, since we made you aware of the First Amendment requirement there, Randy, go in
[16:18.260 --> 16:22.540]  carrying a video camera and a press pass, make you up a press pass and see how they
[16:22.540 --> 16:23.540]  like that.
[16:23.540 --> 16:28.780]  Oh, which reminds me, I have some press passes I need to make up.
[16:28.780 --> 16:32.580]  I always carry and have my press pass, the press pass makes them crazy too.
[16:32.580 --> 16:37.620]  Yeah, when we get back, I'll let everybody know exactly what section of statute they
[16:37.620 --> 16:42.580]  can use that will allow them to take a recorder into court over the judge's objection.
[16:42.580 --> 16:43.580]  Excellent.
[16:43.580 --> 16:44.580]  Okay, Dominic, do you want to stay on the line?
[16:44.580 --> 16:45.580]  Do you have anything else for us?
[16:45.580 --> 16:46.580]  No, it's fine.
[16:46.580 --> 16:47.580]  I'll let other people get on.
[16:47.580 --> 16:48.580]  All right.
[16:48.580 --> 16:49.580]  Thank you, Dominic.
[16:49.580 --> 16:50.580]  Thank you, Dominic.
[16:50.580 --> 16:51.580]  Okay, we'll be right back.
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[18:03.180 --> 18:20.900]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I won't.
[18:20.900 --> 18:36.940]  Oh, I won't.
[18:36.940 --> 18:44.740]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[18:44.740 --> 18:54.580]  Okay, we are back.
[18:54.580 --> 19:01.420]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on ruleoflawradio.com.
[19:01.420 --> 19:07.860]  We're here with Eddie Craig from Nacogdoches, and we're discussing transportation code.
[19:07.860 --> 19:14.540]  We've got some callers on the line, callers if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984, and
[19:14.540 --> 19:16.140]  we've got Dan from Illinois.
[19:16.140 --> 19:18.220]  Hey, Dan, thanks for calling in.
[19:18.220 --> 19:21.220]  You have a question for our guest, Eddie?
[19:21.220 --> 19:24.060]  Yes, this is a really great show.
[19:24.060 --> 19:25.780]  I used to call into you guys all the time.
[19:25.780 --> 19:26.780]  Yeah, I was.
[19:26.780 --> 19:27.780]  I just recently started listening to you again.
[19:27.780 --> 19:28.780]  What?
[19:28.780 --> 19:29.780]  I thought you was in jail.
[19:29.780 --> 19:35.900]  The question is, is it your process of this year?
[19:35.900 --> 19:42.340]  I'm from Texas, but I live up here in Chicago, Randy's old area.
[19:42.340 --> 19:50.420]  I've been going through this... I haven't had a driver's license forever, so when I
[19:50.420 --> 19:57.300]  walk into court, I'm hearing a special appearance, yada, yada, yada, but see, that doesn't do
[19:57.300 --> 19:58.300]  anything.
[19:58.300 --> 20:05.900]  I really like the way you're pursuing this because I don't do nothing coming here in
[20:05.900 --> 20:07.220]  a court of special appearance.
[20:07.220 --> 20:14.860]  I'm actually silent, and I'd really like to find a way that I could get some more information
[20:14.860 --> 20:23.820]  because I actually promised Randy years ago I'd be his... whatever.
[20:23.820 --> 20:24.820]  Randy's great.
[20:24.820 --> 20:25.820]  Deborah, excellent.
[20:25.820 --> 20:34.300]  You have a website because I need to make a difference because what I do when I go into
[20:34.300 --> 20:37.780]  court, I haven't had a driver's license for years.
[20:37.780 --> 20:38.780]  I get pulled over.
[20:38.780 --> 20:39.780]  I go into court.
[20:39.780 --> 20:41.940]  I'm hearing a special appearance.
[20:41.940 --> 20:44.140]  I don't have nothing to do with you people.
[20:44.140 --> 20:46.180]  I might spend a few days in jail.
[20:46.180 --> 20:52.860]  It's happened to me probably four times since I've talked to Randy and Deborah, a buddy
[20:52.860 --> 20:58.060]  who may use to have uppercase and lowercase on there.
[20:58.060 --> 21:00.420]  Have you won any yet?
[21:00.420 --> 21:01.760]  Pardon?
[21:01.760 --> 21:06.220]  Have you won any tickets?
[21:06.220 --> 21:08.820]  Have you beat them?
[21:08.820 --> 21:14.220]  See, that's the whole problem.
[21:14.220 --> 21:15.820]  That's the whole problem.
[21:15.820 --> 21:18.420]  They just continue and see, I always win.
[21:18.420 --> 21:27.660]  They don't do nothing to me, but the thing is is that I don't make no precedents.
[21:27.660 --> 21:29.780]  It's like I'm not there.
[21:29.780 --> 21:31.860]  They continue my cases.
[21:31.860 --> 21:33.220]  I walk in the courtroom.
[21:33.220 --> 21:39.780]  I'm here at special appearance, special appearance only, and I've already filed my paperwork
[21:39.780 --> 21:40.780]  in there.
[21:40.780 --> 21:43.620]  I'm not part of your corporate nonsense.
[21:43.620 --> 21:47.100]  Did he say you're here in Texas?
[21:47.100 --> 21:48.820]  No, I'm in Illinois.
[21:48.820 --> 21:50.820]  I'm from Randy's state.
[21:50.820 --> 21:54.300]  I'm from Texas, but I'm here in Illinois.
[21:54.300 --> 21:58.220]  I can understand his strange foreign accent.
[21:58.220 --> 22:03.220]  The first question I've got is, is the court you're appearing in a municipal court of
[22:03.220 --> 22:04.220]  record?
[22:04.220 --> 22:05.220]  Right.
[22:05.220 --> 22:09.220]  No, is it?
[22:09.220 --> 22:10.740]  Are you sure it's a court of record?
[22:10.740 --> 22:15.580]  When they call my name, I stand up.
[22:15.580 --> 22:19.180]  I'm here on special appearance only, and I don't recognize the court.
[22:19.180 --> 22:20.180]  You have no jurisdiction.
[22:20.180 --> 22:21.180]  I sit down.
[22:21.180 --> 22:23.780]  Well, right, but that's not answering my question.
[22:23.780 --> 22:31.380]  My question is, is there a court reporter in the courtroom that you're in?
[22:31.380 --> 22:32.380]  Not a clerk.
[22:32.380 --> 22:36.380]  Is there a court reporter sitting there making a record of the proceedings?
[22:36.380 --> 22:38.020]  Oh, God, no.
[22:38.020 --> 22:39.020]  No.
[22:39.020 --> 22:40.020]  Okay.
[22:40.020 --> 22:41.020]  It's a court of no record.
[22:41.020 --> 22:45.140]  That's why you're not making any precedent for a future case, anything.
[22:45.140 --> 22:49.380]  But the fact is, without presenting something, you're not making precedent either.
[22:49.380 --> 22:55.820]  Well, I wasn't presenting anything to the court outside the fact that I simply don't
[22:55.820 --> 22:59.180]  recognize you, and they never do nothing to me.
[22:59.180 --> 23:01.380]  I never pay my fines.
[23:01.380 --> 23:06.780]  Yeah, but sitting in jail is not exactly nothing.
[23:06.780 --> 23:10.780]  That's sort of like saying the taxi cab did charge me for the fare, but he rolled over
[23:10.780 --> 23:11.780]  my foot.
[23:11.780 --> 23:13.260]  That happened to me probably.
[23:13.260 --> 23:16.140]  I was going to be a guinea pig.
[23:16.140 --> 23:17.140]  I'm not going to get in all that.
[23:17.140 --> 23:19.140]  Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
[23:19.140 --> 23:25.780]  But what I'm really liking what you're doing, I haven't listened to Randy's show and Debra,
[23:25.780 --> 23:28.620]  great people, for a long time.
[23:28.620 --> 23:36.060]  I just happened to flip it on tonight, and I like what you're doing.
[23:36.060 --> 23:41.660]  I like what you guys are talking about this evening, and I'd like to get some more information
[23:41.660 --> 23:42.660]  on it.
[23:42.660 --> 23:47.060]  So I'm really having a rough time hearing you over the phone for some reason or the
[23:47.060 --> 23:48.060]  other.
[23:48.060 --> 23:53.060]  So what I'm going to do is, because I can't hear y'all.
[23:53.060 --> 23:56.140]  Maybe y'all can hear me, but I can't hear y'all.
[23:56.140 --> 23:59.060]  Go back and pull down the archive and go through at a time or two.
[23:59.060 --> 24:02.300]  Yeah, you may have a bad connection, Dan, because everyone else is hearing us, so I
[24:02.300 --> 24:03.300]  don't think there's anything wrong with that.
[24:03.300 --> 24:04.300]  I know, Deb.
[24:04.300 --> 24:05.300]  All right, that's all right.
[24:05.300 --> 24:07.260]  I'm going to let some other people get on the call here.
[24:07.260 --> 24:10.180]  I'm going to start donating to your show again.
[24:10.180 --> 24:11.180]  Oh, thank you.
[24:11.180 --> 24:12.180]  Yeah, my beer fund's running out.
[24:12.180 --> 24:14.180]  I can't remember what you guys run.
[24:14.180 --> 24:19.180]  Randy, Deb, love yous.
[24:19.180 --> 24:23.100]  Anybody that's out there that's listening to this call, definitely something to listen
[24:23.100 --> 24:24.100]  to.
[24:24.100 --> 24:25.100]  I'm going to let y'all go.
[24:25.100 --> 24:26.100]  I'll let the next caller get in.
[24:26.100 --> 24:27.100]  Thank you.
[24:27.100 --> 24:28.100]  I'll pay for the archives.
[24:28.100 --> 24:29.100]  All right.
[24:29.100 --> 24:30.100]  Thank you, Dan.
[24:30.100 --> 24:31.100]  Love you guys.
[24:31.100 --> 24:32.100]  See you.
[24:32.100 --> 24:33.100]  Thank you, Dan.
[24:33.100 --> 24:34.100]  Okay.
[24:34.100 --> 24:35.100]  We're going to go now to Chris in Texas.
[24:35.100 --> 24:36.100]  Hey, Chris.
[24:36.100 --> 24:37.100]  Thanks for calling in.
[24:37.100 --> 24:38.100]  What's on your mind tonight?
[24:38.100 --> 24:39.100]  Hi, guys.
[24:39.100 --> 24:44.180]  I had a specific question that doesn't have to do with transportation, although I should
[24:44.180 --> 24:49.860]  be more interested in transportation law, considering I've been employed in transportation
[24:49.860 --> 24:50.860]  my whole life.
[24:50.860 --> 24:59.820]  But my question goes to, when you have a judgment against you for a certain amount of money...
[24:59.820 --> 25:00.820]  Civil judgment?
[25:00.820 --> 25:01.820]  Yeah.
[25:01.820 --> 25:05.260]  I'm just trying to see if they're trying to get me to voluntarily obligate myself.
[25:05.260 --> 25:16.180]  I've got a balance that says $4,683.27, and then underneath that, the amount due is $0.00.
[25:16.180 --> 25:23.580]  Are they trying to get me to voluntarily start sending them payments?
[25:23.580 --> 25:24.580]  I don't know.
[25:24.580 --> 25:25.580]  Is this a civil judgment?
[25:25.580 --> 25:26.580]  It's a child support thing.
[25:26.580 --> 25:27.580]  Well, then for some reason, they must think you're current.
[25:27.580 --> 25:28.580]  Yeah.
[25:28.580 --> 25:29.580]  That's what I'm saying.
[25:29.580 --> 25:38.420]  It sounds like they believe you're current.
[25:38.420 --> 25:39.420]  I'm sorry?
[25:39.420 --> 25:40.420]  What?
[25:40.420 --> 25:42.460]  It sounds like they think you're current.
[25:42.460 --> 25:43.460]  You're paid up to date.
[25:43.460 --> 25:49.740]  Why would there be a balance due?
[25:49.740 --> 25:56.460]  If you have a balance, are you paying to catch up arrears?
[25:56.460 --> 25:57.460]  Yeah.
[25:57.460 --> 25:58.460]  Okay.
[25:58.460 --> 26:06.260]  At first, they were trying to get $30,000 out of me, saying I was $30,000 in arrears,
[26:06.260 --> 26:13.340]  and I haven't seen my daughter since she was 96, probably, maybe 95.
[26:13.340 --> 26:20.740]  She was born in 91, and her mother got our marriage annulled somehow and managed to marry
[26:20.740 --> 26:25.660]  the guy that she left me for and adopt my daughter to him.
[26:25.660 --> 26:29.500]  I was just wondering, and they keep sending me different amounts, too.
[26:29.500 --> 26:35.220]  After I went through a lawyer and got the amount settled down to where it might be somewhat
[26:35.220 --> 26:40.180]  more reasonable, this threatening letter I got in the mail just a couple of days after
[26:40.180 --> 26:52.060]  this statement said $4,679, which is less than $4,683, and they never have settled on
[26:52.060 --> 26:53.060]  an exact amount.
[26:53.060 --> 26:54.060]  Wait a minute.
[26:54.060 --> 26:55.060]  Wait, you're not being clear.
[26:55.060 --> 27:02.140]  You just said that you had a statement that said you had no balance due, and then you
[27:02.140 --> 27:05.300]  got a threatening letter after that.
[27:05.300 --> 27:15.300]  Well, I've got a statement summary, and it says balance $4,683.27, and right below that
[27:15.300 --> 27:19.180]  it says amount due $0.00.
[27:19.180 --> 27:24.260]  Sounds like they're telling you that you're paid up at the moment.
[27:24.260 --> 27:31.220]  If you have an amount that you're in arrears, they're not asking you to pay the whole amount
[27:31.220 --> 27:32.220]  all at once.
[27:32.220 --> 27:38.900]  If they're having you catch up in payments, then you're apparently up to date in the payments
[27:38.900 --> 27:40.900]  that they're asking for.
[27:40.900 --> 27:42.340]  That's not a threatening letter.
[27:42.340 --> 27:46.140]  That's a letter just letting you know how much more you're in arrears that you're going
[27:46.140 --> 27:50.180]  to have to pay eventually.
[27:50.180 --> 27:54.580]  The other thing is you've got to understand the state computer systems having worked for
[27:54.580 --> 28:00.500]  government in programming computers, or at least evaluating how their computers are done.
[28:00.500 --> 28:04.320]  Most government programming is done by cross-eyed leprechauns.
[28:04.320 --> 28:07.740]  No two systems ever give you the same information.
[28:07.740 --> 28:08.740]  Yeah.
[28:08.740 --> 28:17.900]  Well, I've never gotten the same amount on any of this stuff not once.
[28:17.900 --> 28:22.260]  We just got this settled in the middle of last month.
[28:22.260 --> 28:28.860]  They decided that I didn't know $30,000, or just under $30,000.
[28:28.860 --> 28:32.980]  Ever since then, I've been getting these oddball amounts that are a few dollars this way or
[28:32.980 --> 28:37.340]  that way, and I haven't sent anything yet either.
[28:37.340 --> 28:42.340]  I was waiting to see how it all comes out in the wash, and quite frankly, I think if
[28:42.340 --> 28:48.180]  I took this before, a judge would say, hey, do they know the amount that I owe, or are
[28:48.180 --> 28:49.180]  they just making this up?
[28:49.180 --> 28:52.380]  It seems to me they're just making up amounts.
[28:52.380 --> 28:54.060]  You would be correct.
[28:54.060 --> 28:59.420]  When you're talking child support, you go before the judge, he's going to kick your
[28:59.420 --> 29:00.420]  behind.
[29:00.420 --> 29:05.220]  They are bad news on child support.
[29:05.220 --> 29:06.220]  That is one of the-
[29:06.220 --> 29:07.220]  That's just it.
[29:07.220 --> 29:09.220]  The state of Nebraska says I don't have a kid.
[29:09.220 --> 29:13.260]  I don't have child support on the kid I don't have.
[29:13.260 --> 29:15.420]  They declared me not the father.
[29:15.420 --> 29:19.940]  Then you need to make the case to the attorney general here.
[29:19.940 --> 29:28.140]  I present your documentation from that state showing that you've been declared not the
[29:28.140 --> 29:29.140]  father.
[29:29.140 --> 29:31.940]  They can't collect child support on a child that isn't yours.
[29:31.940 --> 29:33.980]  Well, that's just it.
[29:33.980 --> 29:34.980]  The kid is mine.
[29:34.980 --> 29:35.980]  That's the part-
[29:35.980 --> 29:37.900]  Well, I'm not arguing that point.
[29:37.900 --> 29:42.260]  I'm just saying that if you've got documentation of states otherwise-
[29:42.260 --> 29:43.260]  Okay.
[29:43.260 --> 29:44.260]  Wait, wait.
[29:44.260 --> 29:45.260]  Listen.
[29:45.260 --> 29:46.260]  We're going to break.
[29:46.260 --> 29:47.260]  We're going to break.
[29:47.260 --> 29:48.260]  Chris, you can hang on the line until the other side.
[29:48.260 --> 29:50.500]  We've also got Steve from California and others.
[29:50.500 --> 29:51.500]  We'll be right back.
[29:51.500 --> 29:58.740]  This is the rule of law, Rady Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[29:58.740 --> 30:02.780]  Gold prices are at historic highs, and with the recent pullback, this is a great time
[30:02.780 --> 30:03.780]  to buy.
[30:03.780 --> 30:08.300]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties, and instability
[30:08.300 --> 30:11.900]  in rural financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
[30:11.900 --> 30:15.340]  Hi, I'm Tim Fry at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage.
[30:15.340 --> 30:18.860]  Everybody should have some of their assets in investment-grade precious metals.
[30:18.860 --> 30:22.940]  At Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, you can buy gold, silver, and platinum with confidence
[30:22.940 --> 30:27.820]  from a brokerage that's specialized in the precious metals market since 1977.
[30:27.820 --> 30:31.580]  If you are new to precious metals, we will happily provide you with the information you
[30:31.580 --> 30:35.940]  need to make an informed decision whether or not you choose to purchase from us.
[30:35.940 --> 30:40.300]  Also, Roberts and Roberts Brokerage values your privacy and will always advise you in
[30:40.300 --> 30:43.700]  the event that we would be required to report any transaction.
[30:43.700 --> 30:47.820]  If you have gold, silver, or platinum you'd like to sell, we can convert it for immediate
[30:47.820 --> 30:48.820]  payment.
[30:48.820 --> 30:52.580]  Call us at 800-874-9760.
[30:52.580 --> 31:02.580]  We're at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, 800-874-9760.
[31:22.580 --> 31:40.340]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on ruleoflawradio.com.
[31:40.340 --> 31:41.980]  We're here with Eddie Craig.
[31:41.980 --> 31:47.940]  We're discussing the traffic code and other topics that may be on your mind.
[31:47.940 --> 31:49.900]  We've got Steve from California.
[31:49.900 --> 31:51.860]  Steve, thanks for calling in.
[31:51.860 --> 31:56.660]  You have a question for Randy or Eddie or myself?
[31:56.660 --> 31:58.420]  I don't have much of a question.
[31:58.420 --> 32:04.900]  The information for the first part was fantastic, but your last caller about Childsport, I just
[32:04.900 --> 32:08.260]  wanted to give him a heads up.
[32:08.260 --> 32:14.620]  I was put into a Childsport case back in 91, and I did get behind a little bit.
[32:14.620 --> 32:20.420]  For 12 years I got the monthly statement saying I owed $2,000, I owed $2,500, and I'd pay
[32:20.420 --> 32:22.780]  on that amount.
[32:22.780 --> 32:31.620]  I went in in about 2005 with the final payment in full of whatever the back was, $1,200 or
[32:31.620 --> 32:37.300]  something, and I got a statement and paid in full, up to date and everything.
[32:37.300 --> 32:46.260]  Then a couple months later they sent me a $20,000 bill that they missed $4,000 from
[32:46.260 --> 32:52.460]  the divorce, and I got to pay penalty and interest on top of that.
[32:52.460 --> 32:54.220]  Did you challenge that?
[32:54.220 --> 33:01.380]  I hired a $6,000 attorney that promised me she could get that thrown out, and I ended
[33:01.380 --> 33:04.220]  up having to pay it.
[33:04.220 --> 33:05.220]  Why am I not surprised?
[33:05.220 --> 33:10.220]  That was how I found you guys.
[33:10.220 --> 33:15.940]  I didn't know how they could send me the monthly statement stating you owe this amount in current
[33:15.940 --> 33:21.180]  years, and this is your total, and I'd pay on that amount for 12 or 13 years, and then
[33:21.180 --> 33:27.340]  when it paid to zero they sent me another $20,000 bill.
[33:27.340 --> 33:28.340]  That's not uncommon.
[33:28.340 --> 33:29.340]  No, that's what I was saying.
[33:29.340 --> 33:34.140]  I think family law is one of the worst in the country.
[33:34.140 --> 33:35.140]  Everywhere we go.
[33:35.140 --> 33:39.180]  We're at zero now, so I'm good with that, and I just want to thank you guys for your
[33:39.180 --> 33:43.340]  show, and your guest tonight is excellent.
[33:43.340 --> 33:44.340]  Thank you.
[33:44.340 --> 33:45.340]  Thanks a lot.
[33:45.340 --> 33:46.340]  Thank you, Steve.
[33:46.340 --> 33:47.340]  Okay.
[33:47.340 --> 33:50.340]  We're going to go now to Doug in Texas.
[33:50.340 --> 33:53.220]  Doug, thanks for calling in.
[33:53.220 --> 33:54.220]  What's on your mind tonight?
[33:54.220 --> 33:55.220]  Yeah.
[33:55.220 --> 33:56.220]  Randy, well, I say Randy.
[33:56.220 --> 33:57.220]  I'm talking to everybody, really.
[33:57.220 --> 34:10.220]  They serve a search warrant on you, and break into your house, and throw flashbang grenades,
[34:10.220 --> 34:17.180]  and haul you off, and do this and that and other to you.
[34:17.180 --> 34:21.140]  What's the chain of custody of the search warrant?
[34:21.140 --> 34:29.780]  In other words, if the individual that they serve that warrant on never even saw it, are
[34:29.780 --> 34:36.220]  they required to have it in the custody of somebody somewhere, or what?
[34:36.220 --> 34:37.220]  Yes.
[34:37.220 --> 34:46.060]  They are required to have it, and it is required to be made public by the clerk of the magistrate
[34:46.060 --> 34:51.100]  who issued the warrant immediately after it's executed.
[34:51.100 --> 34:57.220]  That's 15.26 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[34:57.220 --> 35:00.700]  How long do they have to retain this information?
[35:00.700 --> 35:01.700]  Forever.
[35:01.700 --> 35:02.700]  Forever?
[35:02.700 --> 35:03.700]  Oh, yeah.
[35:03.700 --> 35:04.700]  All right.
[35:04.700 --> 35:09.380]  All right, and you need to look in the court right, immediately after.
[35:09.380 --> 35:16.860]  Now, we've got them in, it took me 18 days to find the warrant in Cherokee County.
[35:16.860 --> 35:17.860]  Right.
[35:17.860 --> 35:22.940]  And the prosecutor said, oh, well, the judge is a new judge.
[35:22.940 --> 35:26.020]  Well, your point is, 15.2?
[35:26.020 --> 35:27.900]  Hey, Randy, I'm sorry.
[35:27.900 --> 35:34.420]  If I may interject on that, Article 15.26, authority to arrest must be made known.
[35:34.420 --> 35:38.420]  When executing a warrant of arrest, it shall always be made known to the accused under
[35:38.420 --> 35:40.540]  what authority the arrest is made.
[35:40.540 --> 35:44.140]  The warrant shall be executed by the arrest of the defendant.
[35:44.140 --> 35:48.780]  The officer need not have the warrant in his possession at the time of the arrest, provided
[35:48.780 --> 35:53.580]  the warrant was issued under the provisions of this code, but upon request, he shall show
[35:53.580 --> 35:56.940]  the warrant to the defendant as soon as possible.
[35:56.940 --> 36:01.020]  If the officer does not have the warrant in his possession at the time of arrest, he shall
[36:01.020 --> 36:06.740]  then inform the defendant of the offense charged and of the fact that a warrant has been issued.
[36:06.740 --> 36:11.460]  The arrest warrant and any affidavit presented to the magistrate in support of the issuance
[36:11.460 --> 36:14.380]  of the warrant is public information.
[36:14.380 --> 36:18.620]  And beginning immediately when the warrant is executed, the magistrate's clerk shall
[36:18.620 --> 36:23.020]  make a copy of the warrant and the affidavit available for public inspection in the clerk's
[36:23.020 --> 36:25.620]  office during normal business hours.
[36:25.620 --> 36:29.920]  A person may request the clerk to provide copies of the warrant and affidavit on payment
[36:29.920 --> 36:31.780]  of the cost of providing the copies.
[36:31.780 --> 36:35.580]  Now, what that's saying is slightly different.
[36:35.580 --> 36:43.820]  Since the execution does not occur until the arrest is made, then the clerk makes it public.
[36:43.820 --> 36:48.060]  That would make sense considering they don't wish to inform the person thereafter ahead
[36:48.060 --> 36:52.060]  of time that there's been a warrant issued until they can secure them.
[36:52.060 --> 36:53.060]  Precisely.
[36:53.060 --> 36:59.020]  But if they're there to make the arrest, now, the reason he doesn't always have to have
[36:59.020 --> 37:07.820]  it in his hand is if he checks your plate or someone calls about a disturbance at this
[37:07.820 --> 37:13.420]  particular house and the police come there, and domestics are the most terrifying thing
[37:13.420 --> 37:18.540]  for police officers, the first thing they do is run a wants and warrants on the owner
[37:18.540 --> 37:22.500]  and they find a murder warrant out for him.
[37:22.500 --> 37:24.640]  They don't have to go get a copy of that murder warrant.
[37:24.640 --> 37:31.860]  They can go in and arrest if they have knowledge that the warrant exists.
[37:31.860 --> 37:32.860]  And that's reasonable.
[37:32.860 --> 37:37.460]  But they have to produce it as soon as possible.
[37:37.460 --> 37:41.860]  And the magistrate has to make it available immediately after arrest.
[37:41.860 --> 37:55.100]  Well, I want to thank both you gentlemen for your information, and I want to thank Debra
[37:55.100 --> 37:58.100]  for keeping you all in line.
[37:58.100 --> 37:59.100]  Thank you very much.
[37:59.100 --> 38:00.100]  Do that.
[38:00.100 --> 38:03.100]  It's been a pleasant experience.
[38:03.100 --> 38:06.100]  Well, thank you.
[38:06.100 --> 38:07.460]  Okay, we've got...
[38:07.460 --> 38:08.460]  Thank you very much.
[38:08.460 --> 38:09.460]  I appreciate that.
[38:09.460 --> 38:10.460]  Uh-huh.
[38:10.460 --> 38:11.460]  All right.
[38:11.460 --> 38:12.460]  All right.
[38:12.460 --> 38:13.460]  Matt in Texas now.
[38:13.460 --> 38:21.620]  I've got a question regarding administrative law judges and oath of office.
[38:21.620 --> 38:37.500]  I've got a friend who's had his licensed chiropractic removed, and I checked with the administrative
[38:37.500 --> 38:44.540]  law judges offices today, and they don't have any oath of office on file, and I've done
[38:44.540 --> 38:53.900]  a little research, and it doesn't look like it's clear whether or not they're an employee
[38:53.900 --> 38:55.700]  or an officer of the state.
[38:55.700 --> 39:02.820]  I just wanted to see what you had to say about that, Randy, because the Constitution says
[39:02.820 --> 39:12.980]  that every public official shall have an oath of office on file, and if it is found that
[39:12.980 --> 39:17.060]  they are required to have an oath of office on file, can you come after them after the
[39:17.060 --> 39:21.580]  fact and no- Of course.
[39:21.580 --> 39:22.580]  Okay.
[39:22.580 --> 39:25.500]  If they don't have an...
[39:25.500 --> 39:32.940]  If they're acting in the capacity of a judicial officer, they must have an oath on file.
[39:32.940 --> 39:39.260]  If they don't have an oath on file, then they're acting under color of capacity of a judicial
[39:39.260 --> 39:43.020]  officer, and color me in this context means pretense.
[39:43.020 --> 39:46.060]  Well, that's my understanding completely.
[39:46.060 --> 39:51.900]  I mean, that's totally where I'm coming from, but I mean, how do we get the judges to recognize
[39:51.900 --> 39:55.660]  that, because obviously they're going to protect their own.
[39:55.660 --> 39:56.660]  You prepare...
[39:56.660 --> 39:57.660]  Charge them with a crime.
[39:57.660 --> 39:58.660]  Yeah.
[39:58.660 --> 40:03.340]  Prepare criminal complaints of impersonating a public official against the judge, and take
[40:03.340 --> 40:09.980]  it to the district attorney and demand that he take it sealed in an envelope and put the
[40:09.980 --> 40:15.340]  grand jury's, the foreman of the grand jury's name on it and give it to the prosecutor.
[40:15.340 --> 40:16.340]  Okay.
[40:16.340 --> 40:17.740]  And he won't give it to the grand jury.
[40:17.740 --> 40:18.740]  I prefer...
[40:18.740 --> 40:24.180]  So then you file criminal complaints against the DA, and then get him disqualified, and
[40:24.180 --> 40:26.500]  then you go present it to him yourself, right?
[40:26.500 --> 40:27.500]  Yes.
[40:27.500 --> 40:28.500]  Okay.
[40:28.500 --> 40:29.500]  All right.
[40:29.500 --> 40:30.500]  Then you...
[40:30.500 --> 40:34.380]  That's what I started to say, is it depends on how big a fight I want to start.
[40:34.380 --> 40:37.460]  It will determine who I send it to first.
[40:37.460 --> 40:42.540]  If I just want to nail the judge, like in a situation like this, where you don't have
[40:42.540 --> 40:47.940]  the prosecutor or some policeman or some other folks involved jerking you around, and you
[40:47.940 --> 40:53.860]  may not want to beat the crap out of the prosecutor, then I make up a set of complaints and I would
[40:53.860 --> 40:58.460]  start immediately going straight to the grand jury.
[40:58.460 --> 41:05.540]  Make up a dozen documents, a dozen complaints, seal them in envelopes, put foreman on one
[41:05.540 --> 41:10.580]  and grand jury one through 11 on the others, mail it, registered mail to the prosecuting
[41:10.580 --> 41:11.580]  attorney.
[41:11.580 --> 41:12.580]  Okay.
[41:12.580 --> 41:21.860]  And then go down, find out from the district judge who impaneled the grand jury, call his
[41:21.860 --> 41:22.860]  clerk.
[41:22.860 --> 41:27.460]  You call down to the clerk's office and say, which judge has a grand jury this time?
[41:27.460 --> 41:32.420]  If you're in a county where they've got more than one district court, and she'll tell you.
[41:32.420 --> 41:35.980]  And then you call that judge's office and ask for his coordinator.
[41:35.980 --> 41:36.980]  Okay.
[41:36.980 --> 41:41.780]  You get the coordinator and say, when's the grand jury supposed to meet next?
[41:41.780 --> 41:45.420]  And they'll almost always say, I never have any problem from them.
[41:45.420 --> 41:51.420]  And then you come down when the grand jury is scheduled to meet and you can ask in the
[41:51.420 --> 41:55.700]  courthouse where the grand jury meets and if they ask you why you want to know, tell
[41:55.700 --> 41:59.500]  them you're preparing a white paper for the legislature.
[41:59.500 --> 42:02.940]  And most of them will say, a what?
[42:02.940 --> 42:06.380]  Go ask the prosecuting attorney or the judge, they'll tell you what a white paper is.
[42:06.380 --> 42:08.100]  It's really important high level stuff.
[42:08.100 --> 42:09.100]  You don't want to interfere with it.
[42:09.100 --> 42:13.580]  They'll tell me today, if you just give them some excuse that they don't know what it is,
[42:13.580 --> 42:15.740]  I'll think you're really important.
[42:15.740 --> 42:20.020]  And they'll tell you, or, you know, one time I told him I was, my son was doing a report
[42:20.020 --> 42:28.260]  for school on the courts and he was, he was studying the grand jury and he just wanted
[42:28.260 --> 42:29.740]  to know how they meet and all this.
[42:29.740 --> 42:31.220]  I gave him a cock and bull story.
[42:31.220 --> 42:34.860]  It didn't mean nothing, but you don't want to start a fight at this point.
[42:34.860 --> 42:37.300]  You just want to find out where they're at.
[42:37.300 --> 42:42.340]  And so you, so you kind of dance around with these guys.
[42:42.340 --> 42:45.980]  When you get to the bailiff who's standing in front of the door where the grand jury
[42:45.980 --> 42:53.060]  meets, you tell him, instruct the foreman that I have business with the grand jury
[42:53.060 --> 42:57.580]  and he will say, he will say, may I tell him the nature of the business?
[42:57.580 --> 43:01.340]  Yes, you may give him these and give him another set of complaints.
[43:01.340 --> 43:05.220]  Same as the ones you sent to the prosecuting attorney.
[43:05.220 --> 43:13.060]  Okay, so then obviously this would be a violation of due process and then any judgment would
[43:13.060 --> 43:14.060]  be null and void.
[43:14.060 --> 43:15.060]  Correct?
[43:15.060 --> 43:16.060]  Yeah.
[43:16.060 --> 43:18.060]  Here's what's likely to happen.
[43:18.060 --> 43:23.220]  The bailiff is likely to go to the prosecutor and tell him, listen, guy down here, give
[43:23.220 --> 43:24.220]  me all these documents.
[43:24.220 --> 43:27.140]  He wants me to give them to the grand jury.
[43:27.140 --> 43:30.580]  And he'll probably show them to the prosecutor and the prosecutor is going to say, oops,
[43:30.580 --> 43:33.380]  I got a set of those.
[43:33.380 --> 43:36.380]  He's about to make me look really bad.
[43:36.380 --> 43:38.380]  We'll touch on this.
[43:38.380 --> 43:39.380]  Yeah.
[43:39.380 --> 43:40.380]  Yeah.
[43:40.380 --> 43:41.380]  We'll talk about that on the other side.
[43:41.380 --> 43:42.380]  We also have Christopher from Illinois on the line.
[43:42.380 --> 43:46.900]  College would be like to call in 512-646-1984.
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[46:05.900 --> 46:09.900]  Hang on, I'll pay for the kids in my fight
[46:09.900 --> 46:13.900]  The whole agenda smells funny
[46:13.900 --> 46:19.900]  I wanna fight in a war of my own
[46:19.900 --> 46:26.900]  That one would be less act as a foe
[46:26.900 --> 46:30.900]  I wanna pay for a war of my own
[46:30.900 --> 46:36.900]  That one would be less act as a foe
[47:01.900 --> 47:06.900]  But if I have an attorney that I expect is gonna try to get in the way
[47:06.900 --> 47:08.900]  Then I try to set him up ahead of time
[47:08.900 --> 47:10.900]  I'll send him a copy of the complaints
[47:10.900 --> 47:12.900]  And then when I go down there
[47:12.900 --> 47:19.900]  He's gonna be in a position of having to explain why I'm there with complaints that the grand jury doesn't have
[47:19.900 --> 47:24.900]  That's actually the strategy that got me in front of the first grand jury
[47:24.900 --> 47:27.900]  When they saw me in the courthouse
[47:27.900 --> 47:33.900]  The day after an assistant district attorney lied to me about when the grand jury met
[47:33.900 --> 47:37.900]  She told me they had just met that day and they wouldn't meet for another month
[47:37.900 --> 47:39.900]  And I knew they were meeting the next day
[47:39.900 --> 47:44.900]  So I came down the next day and she saw me in court room and I thought she was gonna vomit
[47:44.900 --> 47:48.900]  And before I could get my complaints to the grand jury against the district attorney
[47:48.900 --> 47:51.900]  The district attorney got his set to him
[47:51.900 --> 47:57.900]  To keep me from having to tell the grand jury that I mailed them a set to them
[47:57.900 --> 48:00.900]  But the district attorney, he hid them from them
[48:00.900 --> 48:03.900]  So that's the reason I would mail them to the district attorney
[48:03.900 --> 48:08.900]  Just to kind of give him reason to stand aside
[48:08.900 --> 48:13.900]  I see, okay
[48:13.900 --> 48:22.900]  So you're still kind of dealing with the situation where the judge is likely to
[48:22.900 --> 48:26.900]  I don't know, when you think that the judge would rule in this judge's favor
[48:26.900 --> 48:30.900]  That now he wasn't engaged in official oppression
[48:30.900 --> 48:35.900]  And not required to have an oath of office on file
[48:35.900 --> 48:37.900]  You don't care
[48:37.900 --> 48:40.900]  Really the objective is to get this guy's license reinstated
[48:40.900 --> 48:43.900]  Yeah, of course the judges are gonna try to protect each other
[48:43.900 --> 48:46.900]  And this is part of the strategy
[48:46.900 --> 48:50.900]  You take this guy that does something dumb
[48:50.900 --> 48:54.900]  And instead of going to him and arguing with him about it
[48:54.900 --> 48:57.900]  You go to somebody else
[48:57.900 --> 49:01.900]  Like you go to the district judge or to the grand jury
[49:01.900 --> 49:07.900]  If you go to the grand jury and they accept your complaints
[49:07.900 --> 49:10.900]  Even if they don't
[49:10.900 --> 49:15.900]  The bailiff or the grand jury is gonna go back to the prosecuting attorney and tell him about them
[49:15.900 --> 49:19.900]  And the prosecuting attorney is gonna go to this administrative judge and say
[49:19.900 --> 49:24.900]  Hey, why is this guy down here trying to get the grand jury to indict you?
[49:24.900 --> 49:27.900]  That's a whole lot different than your arguing with him
[49:27.900 --> 49:31.900]  And then when you find that the district attorney has interceded
[49:31.900 --> 49:34.900]  Then you land on him like a ton of bricks
[49:34.900 --> 49:39.900]  And he goes back to this judge and says look at the trouble you're getting me in, bubba
[49:39.900 --> 49:43.900]  And you land on him by going to the district judge
[49:43.900 --> 49:45.900]  And then you start kicking the district judge around
[49:45.900 --> 49:47.900]  And what you find is
[49:47.900 --> 49:52.900]  Is when you're going in this way, you are the aggressor
[49:52.900 --> 49:55.900]  They have no jurisdiction over you
[49:55.900 --> 49:57.900]  You're the one calling them to task
[49:57.900 --> 50:02.900]  And then you get to see the chicken dance in its full glory
[50:02.900 --> 50:06.900]  When they're shifting from one foot to the other giving you all this sage legal advice
[50:06.900 --> 50:09.900]  Telling you all the things you ought to be doing
[50:09.900 --> 50:12.900]  You know how judges tell you you can't give you legal advice?
[50:12.900 --> 50:13.900]  Right
[50:13.900 --> 50:15.900]  They give you legal advice all the time
[50:15.900 --> 50:19.900]  Oh, Mr. Gelton, you really shouldn't be filing that with me
[50:19.900 --> 50:23.900]  You should be filing that with somebody else
[50:23.900 --> 50:25.900]  See, is that right, bubba?
[50:25.900 --> 50:29.900]  I go file with somebody else but I'll be filing against you
[50:29.900 --> 50:32.900]  I kick the district judge and he's going to be real unhappy
[50:32.900 --> 50:36.900]  He's going to go back to this administrative judge and say what in the heck is going on?
[50:36.900 --> 50:40.900]  Why I got this guy beating me up because of some crap hole you're doing?
[50:40.900 --> 50:43.900]  And the judge is not going to care what he did
[50:43.900 --> 50:47.900]  He's just going to be annoyed that he's having to deal with it and getting beat up himself
[50:47.900 --> 50:49.900]  That's the strategy
[50:49.900 --> 50:52.900]  And you'll find when you go in there
[50:52.900 --> 50:56.900]  Man, these guys, all of a sudden you become sir
[50:56.900 --> 50:58.900]  You become important
[50:58.900 --> 51:01.900]  And all of a sudden they keep their distance
[51:01.900 --> 51:03.900]  Now, they'll follow you around
[51:03.900 --> 51:10.900]  You'll get an escort but I consider that they're just following me around to make sure nobody messes with me
[51:10.900 --> 51:12.900]  That's why they're there
[51:12.900 --> 51:14.900]  They're just there to protect me
[51:14.900 --> 51:20.900]  But it gets everybody's attention and in the end that's what we want to do
[51:20.900 --> 51:28.900]  We want to create a potential threat to their professional careers
[51:28.900 --> 51:30.900]  This is how we get things fixed
[51:30.900 --> 51:33.900]  Besides, it's fun
[51:33.900 --> 51:41.900]  You haven't lived until you kick the district judge in his legal teeth
[51:41.900 --> 51:42.900]  Okay
[51:42.900 --> 51:44.900]  Do you have any other questions for us, Matt?
[51:44.900 --> 51:58.900]  Well, I'm still wondering how exactly do we get it in the position where we get this guy's license back
[51:58.900 --> 52:05.900]  I mean, I understand you get all these criminal complaints against these judges and you get them annoyed
[52:05.900 --> 52:11.900]  But ultimately we need to get a legal ruling stating that they were required to have an oath of office on file
[52:11.900 --> 52:17.900]  Okay, wait, we weren't talking about his license. That's a whole other issue
[52:17.900 --> 52:24.900]  The first thing you do is disqualify the judge and render all this
[52:24.900 --> 52:27.900]  There's already been a ruling, right?
[52:27.900 --> 52:29.900]  Doesn't matter
[52:29.900 --> 52:34.900]  Let's say that I go down to the uniform store and I rent me a long black robe
[52:34.900 --> 52:41.900]  and get me a wooden hammer and I come in there and I want to be the court
[52:41.900 --> 52:46.900]  Are you going to file a challenge to my jurisdiction?
[52:46.900 --> 52:50.900]  Are you going to go down to the sheriff and ask him to arrest me?
[52:50.900 --> 52:51.900]  Right
[52:51.900 --> 52:54.900]  This judge is no different
[52:54.900 --> 53:03.900]  If he hasn't met all the requirements of the contract with the state, he's not a judge
[53:03.900 --> 53:08.900]  He's impersonating a judge and authority never attaches
[53:08.900 --> 53:15.900]  If he's been there for 30 years without an oath of office, he has never been a judge
[53:15.900 --> 53:17.900]  It never attaches
[53:17.900 --> 53:23.900]  And all of the judgment he has rendered by law are void
[53:23.900 --> 53:25.900]  They're not voidable
[53:25.900 --> 53:27.900]  They are void
[53:27.900 --> 53:31.900]  What that means is you don't have to go in and have them rendered void
[53:31.900 --> 53:36.900]  You disqualify the judge for lack of subject matter jurisdiction because he's not a judge
[53:36.900 --> 53:40.900]  All his judgments are automatically voided
[53:40.900 --> 53:42.900]  That's one way to go about it
[53:42.900 --> 53:50.900]  And I suspect that Eddie would have a lot more ways to go at it based on the merits of the case
[53:50.900 --> 53:57.900]  Yeah, there's a legal maximum that says longevity does not validate a void act
[53:57.900 --> 54:04.900]  So it doesn't matter how long it's occurred, if it was fraudulent to begin with, it was null and void at the beginning
[54:04.900 --> 54:07.900]  You have an issue as it's put
[54:07.900 --> 54:10.900]  There's all kinds of ways you can go after this guy
[54:10.900 --> 54:17.900]  I mean I've come up with some very creative ways to go after the municipal judge and the police officers here
[54:17.900 --> 54:20.900]  And again, the code makes it very easy
[54:20.900 --> 54:26.900]  The first thing you need to do is find out what title this judge is allegedly operating under via statute
[54:26.900 --> 54:29.900]  What position is it this judge is acting under?
[54:29.900 --> 54:32.900]  Read the requirements for that position
[54:32.900 --> 54:39.900]  Make sure it is 100% perfect in what the judge is doing
[54:39.900 --> 54:44.900]  Because if he's even one step out of whack, he's out of whack the whole way
[54:44.900 --> 54:47.900]  Court doesn't have an oath, I mean that...
[54:47.900 --> 54:49.900]  Right, that's ground rule number one
[54:49.900 --> 54:50.900]  He's got to have it and he doesn't
[54:50.900 --> 54:52.900]  So that's the first thing
[54:52.900 --> 54:56.900]  But don't let that be the only stone in your sling pouch
[54:56.900 --> 54:58.900]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know
[54:58.900 --> 55:03.900]  If one other important thing to understand
[55:03.900 --> 55:16.900]  A trial judge has a ministerial duty to properly apply the law as it's given to him by the appeals and Supreme Court and legislature
[55:16.900 --> 55:19.900]  To the facts developed in the case
[55:19.900 --> 55:24.900]  He may develop the facts in the case and take the law as it exists already
[55:24.900 --> 55:27.900]  And apply it to those facts, that's all he can do
[55:27.900 --> 55:33.900]  If he fails to do that, then he violates a ministerial duty
[55:33.900 --> 55:43.900]  And denies you the litigant in a fair and public court
[55:43.900 --> 55:45.900]  And that's crime in Texas
[55:45.900 --> 55:48.900]  Now there is one other aspect of that too
[55:48.900 --> 55:56.900]  I've read case law that shows that in some cases licenses are considered property
[55:56.900 --> 56:01.900]  And you cannot be deprived of your property without a due process of law
[56:01.900 --> 56:05.900]  It really depends upon the nature of the license in the cases that I've read
[56:05.900 --> 56:09.900]  But if that license involves a livelihood
[56:09.900 --> 56:18.900]  All the cases I've read for the majority show that a trial must be done in order to remove the license
[56:18.900 --> 56:22.900]  Yes, if it's a license to carry a pistol
[56:22.900 --> 56:26.900]  That's something that wouldn't necessarily involve a livelihood
[56:26.900 --> 56:34.900]  Unless you had to carry a pistol to engage in your form of business, a form of commerce
[56:34.900 --> 56:35.900]  Right, right
[56:35.900 --> 56:45.900]  If you're a truck driver, it goes to property because it goes to your ability to make a living
[56:45.900 --> 56:50.900]  Right, that's what I was thinking, I just was unaware of the case law
[56:50.900 --> 56:54.900]  So that's all great information, I really, really appreciate it
[56:54.900 --> 56:55.900]  Okay
[56:55.900 --> 57:01.900]  Thank you Matt, we appreciate that, appreciate the call
[57:01.900 --> 57:05.900]  Okay, we're going to go now to Christopher in Illinois
[57:05.900 --> 57:12.900]  And callers, we've got open phone lines right now if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984
[57:12.900 --> 57:14.900]  Okay, we're going to Christopher
[57:14.900 --> 57:16.900]  Christopher, thanks for calling and what's on your mind tonight?
[57:16.900 --> 57:22.900]  Hi, I'm calling in to let you guys know what's happening with my situation from last week
[57:22.900 --> 57:24.900]  About being stopped by a station
[57:24.900 --> 57:26.900]  Mr. Crack Windshield
[57:26.900 --> 57:27.900]  Yes
[57:27.900 --> 57:28.900]  Alright
[57:28.900 --> 57:30.900]  Okay, quickly, we only got a minute and a half
[57:30.900 --> 57:34.900]  Okay, I found out that there is an arrest warrant that's been issued on the 22nd of April
[57:34.900 --> 57:38.900]  And I found that out because there was a letter from a lawyer's firm to say
[57:38.900 --> 57:41.900]  If you want to be represented in this case, here's our number
[57:41.900 --> 57:45.900]  So I rang up after that, I rang up the court clerk's office to say
[57:45.900 --> 57:50.900]  Is there an arrest warrant issued under my name and they found it
[57:50.900 --> 57:52.900]  So that's where it's at at the moment
[57:52.900 --> 57:57.900]  And they still have my license, my registration and my insurance
[57:57.900 --> 58:03.900]  Well, okay, one thing what the warrant's going to say is arrest this person and bring him before me
[58:03.900 --> 58:10.900]  So if you run down there and get before the judge, the warrant's moot
[58:10.900 --> 58:11.900]  Okay
[58:11.900 --> 58:13.900]  That might keep you from getting thrown in jail
[58:13.900 --> 58:16.900]  Yeah, but now the caveat to that is what he's talking about on that
[58:16.900 --> 58:20.900]  If you do get thrown in jail without getting taken to the judge, they've screwed up
[58:20.900 --> 58:22.900]  Alright, well listen, we're going to break
[58:22.900 --> 58:25.900]  So Christopher, if you want to hang on the line, you're welcome to
[58:25.900 --> 58:30.900]  Callers, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984
[58:30.900 --> 58:33.900]  We're here with Eddie Craig
[58:33.900 --> 58:35.900]  Walking through the traffic code, we'll be right back
[58:35.900 --> 59:04.900]  We've got one more hour here on the rule of law
[59:04.900 --> 59:06.900]  Oh yeah
[59:06.900 --> 59:08.900]  I'm like
[59:08.900 --> 59:10.900]  Yeah
[59:10.900 --> 59:12.900]  I'm like
[59:12.900 --> 59:14.900]  Yeah
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[59:16.900 --> 59:18.900]  I'm like
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[59:54.900 --> 01:00:01.900]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
[01:00:01.900 --> 01:00:24.900]  talk radio at it's best. Yeah, a story for everyone to hear, about how we're not gonna
[01:00:24.900 --> 01:00:43.900]  give in to the feeling. Yeah, a story. I will occupy my brother's house, until he returns.
[01:00:43.900 --> 01:00:55.900]  I will occupy my brother's house, until he has left me with the strength and width of
[01:00:55.900 --> 01:01:13.900]  freedom. I will occupy my brother's house, until I leave Spain. I will guard these walls
[01:01:13.900 --> 01:01:29.900]  there. I will occupy my brother's house. I will occupy my brother's house. I will occupy
[01:01:29.900 --> 01:01:43.900]  my brother's house. I will occupy my brother's house. I will occupy my brother's house. I
[01:01:43.900 --> 01:02:04.900]  will occupy my brother's house, longer loud than we can. I will occupy my brother's house.
[01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:13.900]  There are those in this world who would harm us. They will not give in. I will occupy my
[01:02:13.900 --> 01:02:22.900]  brother's house. Cause when I occupy my father's house, there's more waiting to be seen. I
[01:02:22.900 --> 01:02:27.900]  will occupy my father's house. I will occupy my brother's house.
[01:02:27.900 --> 01:02:42.900]  I will occupy my brother's house. I will occupy my brother's house.
[01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:47.900]  No wicked man could ever put me on that, couldn't ever do the same thing.
[01:02:47.900 --> 01:02:54.900]  I will ask him to climb my father's house, till it becomes clear.
[01:02:54.900 --> 01:03:02.900]  I will ask him to climb my father's house, till he has come to take control.
[01:03:02.900 --> 01:03:05.900]  I know that's why it's for me.
[01:03:05.900 --> 01:03:13.900]  I will ask him to climb my father's house, all investment will be in good hands.
[01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:44.900]  And also I do want to make a request please for callers who we have already spoken to.
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[01:04:10.900 --> 01:04:13.900]  Okay, we've got Christopher from Illinois, John from Austin.
[01:04:13.900 --> 01:04:14.900]  There's a few others.
[01:04:14.900 --> 01:04:16.900]  Please call back in.
[01:04:16.900 --> 01:04:18.900]  We're going back to Christopher.
[01:04:18.900 --> 01:04:21.900]  Okay, Christopher, sorry we didn't mean to interrupt you.
[01:04:21.900 --> 01:04:23.900]  We were going to break so continue.
[01:04:23.900 --> 01:04:26.900]  Okay, that was the short part of it.
[01:04:26.900 --> 01:04:32.900]  Now the extra information is that the arrest warrant is for resisting a peace officer.
[01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:34.900]  That's the wording.
[01:04:34.900 --> 01:04:37.900]  And I asked, well, how do I deal with this?
[01:04:37.900 --> 01:04:39.900]  Is there a court date?
[01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:40.900]  And they said no.
[01:04:40.900 --> 01:04:41.900]  And I said, well, why is that?
[01:04:41.900 --> 01:04:45.900]  Well, there's no court date until you're arrested.
[01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:48.900]  So I thought, okay.
[01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:50.900]  And that's where I left it at really.
[01:04:50.900 --> 01:04:52.900]  I got the name of the state prosecutor.
[01:04:52.900 --> 01:04:58.900]  I don't have the information about who the judge is because they asked them, well, do you have any more information?
[01:04:58.900 --> 01:05:01.900]  They said, no, it hasn't appeared in our system yet.
[01:05:01.900 --> 01:05:03.900]  There's just been filed on the 22nd.
[01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:09.900]  I rang up this morning and it hasn't appeared on the system as to what the rest of the stuff is.
[01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:14.900]  So it was resisting a police officer and not resisting arrest?
[01:05:14.900 --> 01:05:19.900]  It says resisting a peace officer, P-E-A-C-E.
[01:05:19.900 --> 01:05:22.900]  I wonder what the statute would be.
[01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:23.900]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:05:23.900 --> 01:05:25.900]  Resisting a peace officer?
[01:05:25.900 --> 01:05:27.900]  Yes, that's what I thought.
[01:05:27.900 --> 01:05:29.900]  That just doesn't even make any sense.
[01:05:29.900 --> 01:05:34.900]  Here in Texas, they would call it interfering with a public servant.
[01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:35.900]  Right.
[01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:41.900]  Where you don't do what they tell you when they tell you exactly how they tell you and grin while they're kicking you in the butt.
[01:05:41.900 --> 01:05:42.900]  Right.
[01:05:42.900 --> 01:05:44.900]  And that's the charge they file.
[01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:45.900]  Okay.
[01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:52.900]  Now, it happens that on the same day that this thing was charged, I sent the state trooper a packet of information.
[01:05:52.900 --> 01:06:00.900]  Well, actually one of them was they signed and swarmed to notarize negative evidence saying this little kind of formula
[01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:03.900]  saying this is a packet of information for you.
[01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:09.900]  This is what I'll be doing if you don't basically handle it the way I would like.
[01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:13.900]  And I sent them information on right to travel.
[01:06:13.900 --> 01:06:25.900]  And there's a blank form that Wendy gave me that is to do with that court case about the fact that the court can commit perjury
[01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:29.900]  without being taken to court for that.
[01:06:29.900 --> 01:06:31.900]  And I asked them to have it waived.
[01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:34.900]  So there's a form that you have to fill out.
[01:06:34.900 --> 01:06:38.900]  And if it's not filled out within 10 days, then I have an unreasonable witness.
[01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:41.900]  So that's where it's at.
[01:06:41.900 --> 01:06:51.900]  Okay. I would, in that case, find out when he actually filed the complaint, if he filed it after he got your package.
[01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:53.900]  No. No, he didn't because I actually checked.
[01:06:53.900 --> 01:06:54.900]  It hasn't been signed for you.
[01:06:54.900 --> 01:06:57.900]  I sent it certified mail.
[01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:02.900]  The actual arrest form was filed on the day I sent my stuff out.
[01:07:02.900 --> 01:07:03.900]  Oh, okay.
[01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:06.900]  So he hasn't actually signed for it yet.
[01:07:06.900 --> 01:07:13.900]  I think I'd charge him with retaliation anyway and let him make the case that he didn't sign for it.
[01:07:13.900 --> 01:07:16.900]  What state is this jury in?
[01:07:16.900 --> 01:07:18.900]  Or this card?
[01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:20.900]  This is Will County, Illinois.
[01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:21.900]  Illinois?
[01:07:21.900 --> 01:07:23.900]  Wait, what county?
[01:07:23.900 --> 01:07:25.900]  Will County.
[01:07:25.900 --> 01:07:28.900]  Oh, I thought you were in Chicago, so I guess you're not.
[01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:36.900]  I live in Aurora, which is Kane County, but I was around my girlfriend's area, so that's Will County.
[01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:41.900]  And this Chicago area is like 40 miles away from me.
[01:07:41.900 --> 01:07:43.900]  This whole area is all corrupt.
[01:07:43.900 --> 01:07:49.900]  Every judge out there is completely nuts, you know?
[01:07:49.900 --> 01:07:54.900]  Unfortunately, Illinois has no monopoly on that.
[01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:59.900]  I do know that from what I've heard from other people.
[01:07:59.900 --> 01:08:05.900]  But, you know, the officer is going to have to come up with a statute.
[01:08:05.900 --> 01:08:06.900]  Exactly.
[01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:08.900]  That's what I'm looking for now.
[01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:21.900]  And if you look at the statute and look at the elements of the statute, in Texas,
[01:08:21.900 --> 01:08:28.900]  they're always, you know, if you don't do everything the officer says, they accuse you of interfering with a public servant.
[01:08:28.900 --> 01:08:36.900]  But the statute says you can't interfere with a public servant verbally.
[01:08:36.900 --> 01:08:37.900]  Verbally?
[01:08:37.900 --> 01:08:40.900]  Yeah, you have to interfere with him physically.
[01:08:40.900 --> 01:08:41.900]  Okay.
[01:08:41.900 --> 01:08:42.900]  All right.
[01:08:42.900 --> 01:08:52.900]  And I take that to him telling you to do something, you saying no is not interfering with a public servant.
[01:08:52.900 --> 01:09:05.900]  And in any case, if you're exercising a right, then that goes to the being punished for doing what the law clearly allows you to do as a due process violation of the most basic sort.
[01:09:05.900 --> 01:09:17.900]  So if he doesn't have evidence to support the allegation, I would file against him for a malicious prosecution.
[01:09:17.900 --> 01:09:18.900]  Yes.
[01:09:18.900 --> 01:09:21.900]  There is some very strange stuff that the lady was saying.
[01:09:21.900 --> 01:09:24.900]  She was asking me, did you leave a detention center?
[01:09:24.900 --> 01:09:27.900]  I said no.
[01:09:27.900 --> 01:09:31.900]  So there's something in that arrest warrant which is not true.
[01:09:31.900 --> 01:09:36.900]  So I'm going to have to go down there on Monday, I think, which is when it's going to appear on the system and have a look at it.
[01:09:36.900 --> 01:09:37.900]  Yeah.
[01:09:37.900 --> 01:09:44.900]  If you're going to go down there, either you might want to have somebody else do it or go before the judge who issues the warrant.
[01:09:44.900 --> 01:09:46.900]  Well, that's the thing.
[01:09:46.900 --> 01:09:48.900]  She didn't know who it was because it's not there yet.
[01:09:48.900 --> 01:09:49.900]  It's not in the system that she could read.
[01:09:49.900 --> 01:09:51.900]  So I'll have to find out for myself somehow.
[01:09:51.900 --> 01:09:52.900]  Okay.
[01:09:52.900 --> 01:09:53.900]  Christopher?
[01:09:53.900 --> 01:09:54.900]  Yes.
[01:09:54.900 --> 01:09:55.900]  Okay.
[01:09:55.900 --> 01:09:59.900]  I have found the only two statutes in Illinois that deal with that.
[01:09:59.900 --> 01:10:15.900]  They are 720 ILCS 5 forward slash 7-7 and 720 ILCS 5 forward slash 31-1.
[01:10:15.900 --> 01:10:21.900]  Now, the 7-7 talks about a private person's use of force in resisting arrest.
[01:10:21.900 --> 01:10:24.900]  He was not attempting to arrest you at the time, was he?
[01:10:24.900 --> 01:10:25.900]  No.
[01:10:25.900 --> 01:10:36.900]  Just one thing, the first statute is 720-ILCS 5 forward slash 31-1.
[01:10:36.900 --> 01:10:38.900]  34-1.
[01:10:38.900 --> 01:10:39.900]  And the second one?
[01:10:39.900 --> 01:10:46.900]  And the second one is 720 ILCS 5 forward slash 7-7.
[01:10:46.900 --> 01:10:51.900]  Now, 7-7 deals strictly with resisting arrest in a private capacity.
[01:10:51.900 --> 01:10:57.900]  Most likely, the 31-1 is what they're coming after you under, and this is what it reads.
[01:10:57.900 --> 01:11:02.900]  Resisting or obstructing a peace officer, firefighter, or correctional institution employee,
[01:11:02.900 --> 01:11:08.900]  a person who knowingly resists or obstructs the performance of one known to the person to be a peace officer,
[01:11:08.900 --> 01:11:18.900]  firefighter, or correctional institution employee of any authorized act within his official capacity commits a Class A misdemeanor.
[01:11:18.900 --> 01:11:26.900]  First thing is, was his taking of your automobile by tow truck an authorized act?
[01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:32.900]  If he can't produce a statute allowing him to take your car, he was not committing an authorized act.
[01:11:32.900 --> 01:11:34.900]  That's the first thing.
[01:11:34.900 --> 01:11:37.900]  Okay.
[01:11:37.900 --> 01:11:39.900]  Let's see.
[01:11:39.900 --> 01:11:45.900]  I'm trying to see exactly what else this may deal with.
[01:11:45.900 --> 01:11:48.900]  That's the only section that specifies the offense.
[01:11:48.900 --> 01:11:51.900]  The rest of them deal with conviction and punishment.
[01:11:51.900 --> 01:11:52.900]  Okay.
[01:11:52.900 --> 01:11:56.900]  So those are the only two sections that deal with that specific charge.
[01:11:56.900 --> 01:11:59.900]  Okay.
[01:11:59.900 --> 01:12:02.900]  That's why they have that wording the way it is.
[01:12:02.900 --> 01:12:03.900]  Exactly.
[01:12:03.900 --> 01:12:07.900]  He's not a peace officer.
[01:12:07.900 --> 01:12:16.900]  Yeah. So you need to be finding out exactly what the criteria for the lawful towing of a car is.
[01:12:16.900 --> 01:12:18.900]  But be very careful of the wording now.
[01:12:18.900 --> 01:12:26.900]  Pay close attention to the terms motor vehicle, operator, driver, so on and so forth within those statutes.
[01:12:26.900 --> 01:12:30.900]  Find those definitions within those statutes.
[01:12:30.900 --> 01:12:31.900]  Okay.
[01:12:31.900 --> 01:12:34.900]  Because all of those are going to tie together to make your case.
[01:12:34.900 --> 01:12:37.900]  Right.
[01:12:37.900 --> 01:12:38.900]  Okay.
[01:12:38.900 --> 01:12:39.900]  I've got a little bit of work to do.
[01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:40.900]  Okay.
[01:12:40.900 --> 01:12:42.900]  That's fine.
[01:12:42.900 --> 01:12:44.900]  Good luck.
[01:12:44.900 --> 01:12:45.900]  Thank you.
[01:12:45.900 --> 01:12:57.900]  And I'm just a little bit, again, because I'm not recording this, I'm just a bit concerned that I'm going to have the right statute number, 720-ILCS54-34-1.
[01:12:57.900 --> 01:13:00.900]  No, forward slash.
[01:13:00.900 --> 01:13:05.900]  A slash like is on a website in the address, the forward slash.
[01:13:05.900 --> 01:13:06.900]  Yes.
[01:13:06.900 --> 01:13:07.900]  Yeah.
[01:13:07.900 --> 01:13:10.900]  And I will be posting the archive from this show a little bit later this evening.
[01:13:10.900 --> 01:13:11.900]  Oh, that's great.
[01:13:11.900 --> 01:13:12.900]  Thank you.
[01:13:12.900 --> 01:13:13.900]  Thank you very much.
[01:13:13.900 --> 01:13:14.900]  Okay.
[01:13:14.900 --> 01:13:15.900]  Well, I'll let you guys know what happened.
[01:13:15.900 --> 01:13:25.900]  And I actually find it quite interesting because the more I learn about this, the more I see that there's no authority that these guys have.
[01:13:25.900 --> 01:13:38.900]  And just if I have a little few seconds here just to state that using Wendy's negative assailments, I was meant to go to trial yesterday for another citation that was a year and a half ago.
[01:13:38.900 --> 01:13:47.900]  And when I arrived, this is about after, what, a month of using the negative assailment that Wendy has and starting that whole process.
[01:13:47.900 --> 01:13:48.900]  I went to the trial yesterday.
[01:13:48.900 --> 01:13:50.900]  The courtroom was closed.
[01:13:50.900 --> 01:13:53.900]  I was instructed to go to the courtroom next door.
[01:13:53.900 --> 01:13:55.900]  There was a different judge.
[01:13:55.900 --> 01:13:56.900]  The prosecutor wasn't there.
[01:13:56.900 --> 01:13:59.900]  And so all that happened was my name was called.
[01:13:59.900 --> 01:14:04.900]  I went up and she said, state your name, which I thought was a bit strange because the first time it's been happening that way.
[01:14:04.900 --> 01:14:07.900]  And then she kind of had my case there.
[01:14:07.900 --> 01:14:21.900]  She fumbled with it and said, well, because of the judge being assigned somewhere else, do you consent or agree to having a trial further down, you know, and she gave me a date of August, which I found quite incredible
[01:14:21.900 --> 01:14:26.900]  because they've been pushing me to have this day away.
[01:14:26.900 --> 01:14:29.900]  You didn't agree to it, did you?
[01:14:29.900 --> 01:14:31.900]  Well, I did.
[01:14:31.900 --> 01:14:33.900]  Because I wasn't sure what was going on.
[01:14:33.900 --> 01:14:41.900]  So when I went back home, I went to talk to Wendy and she said, immediately draw up a document saying that you rescind the agreement, which I filed this morning.
[01:14:41.900 --> 01:14:43.900]  Yes, because they would have had to dismiss.
[01:14:43.900 --> 01:14:45.900]  They had to be prepared.
[01:14:45.900 --> 01:14:46.900]  They expected you to.
[01:14:46.900 --> 01:14:50.900]  I got that there was something going on and I couldn't pick up on it.
[01:14:50.900 --> 01:14:54.900]  They were trying to get you to say no so they could dismiss it.
[01:14:54.900 --> 01:14:55.900]  Okay.
[01:14:55.900 --> 01:14:58.900]  Yeah, because it makes sense because she was nervous.
[01:14:58.900 --> 01:15:01.900]  And she wasn't talking to me the way she was talking to everyone else.
[01:15:01.900 --> 01:15:05.900]  And when I explained to Wendy what was going on, she said, they don't know what to do with you.
[01:15:05.900 --> 01:15:07.900]  Yeah, well, here's a thing to remember.
[01:15:07.900 --> 01:15:11.900]  Their objective is to keep you in the system if at all possible.
[01:15:11.900 --> 01:15:14.900]  Do not cooperate with that.
[01:15:14.900 --> 01:15:15.900]  Okay.
[01:15:15.900 --> 01:15:21.900]  If they call you into court, they have to be prepared to try you or let you go.
[01:15:21.900 --> 01:15:26.900]  They can't call you in and just say, well, we just called you in to tell you we were rescheduling you.
[01:15:26.900 --> 01:15:28.900]  Right.
[01:15:28.900 --> 01:15:32.900]  Yeah, I'm filing criminal charges against a judge here in Austin over that kind of stuff.
[01:15:32.900 --> 01:15:33.900]  Right.
[01:15:33.900 --> 01:15:38.900]  They don't politely call you and ask you when would be a good time for you to show up.
[01:15:38.900 --> 01:15:39.900]  Right.
[01:15:39.900 --> 01:15:45.900]  They order you to appear on a day at a time and because they're able to do that,
[01:15:45.900 --> 01:15:50.900]  then they have a responsibility to be ready at that day at that time.
[01:15:50.900 --> 01:15:54.900]  If they're not, they deny you your process and you have a right to dismissal.
[01:15:54.900 --> 01:15:59.900]  Yeah, and I did find it strange that there was a subpoena issued for the police officer to appear yesterday
[01:15:59.900 --> 01:16:01.900]  and he wasn't anywhere around.
[01:16:01.900 --> 01:16:06.900]  So I knew that there was something out the minute I noticed that, you know.
[01:16:06.900 --> 01:16:07.900]  There you go.
[01:16:07.900 --> 01:16:11.900]  Now, if they issued a subpoena for the cop and he didn't show,
[01:16:11.900 --> 01:16:16.900]  then you press for a criminal complaint for contempt of court against the cop.
[01:16:16.900 --> 01:16:17.900]  Okay.
[01:16:17.900 --> 01:16:29.900]  But what probably occurred was the judge said, oh, I can't be here and got the prosecutor to counsel on the officer.
[01:16:29.900 --> 01:16:31.900]  But they rescind the document.
[01:16:31.900 --> 01:16:32.900]  That's the thing.
[01:16:32.900 --> 01:16:34.900]  Okay, well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:34.900 --> 01:16:37.900]  Okay, well, that's it. Thank you, sir.
[01:16:37.900 --> 01:16:38.900]  Thank you, Christopher.
[01:16:38.900 --> 01:16:39.900]  Thank you, Christopher.
[01:16:39.900 --> 01:16:40.900]  Okay.
[01:16:40.900 --> 01:16:41.900]  Okay.
[01:16:41.900 --> 01:16:44.900]  We've got John from Austin, Texas up next.
[01:16:44.900 --> 01:16:47.900]  We also have Alfred from Texas.
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[01:20:35.900 --> 01:20:37.900]  Thank you very much.
[01:21:05.900 --> 01:21:32.900]  Thank you very much.
[01:21:32.900 --> 01:21:45.500]  Okay, we are back. The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. We are here with
[01:21:45.500 --> 01:21:51.060]  Eddie Craig talking about traffic and whatever else is on your mind. Callers, if you'd like
[01:21:51.060 --> 01:21:58.860]  to call in 512-646-1984. We've got about 25 minutes left of the show. We've got John
[01:21:58.860 --> 01:22:03.020]  and Alfred on the line. We're going to go to John in Austin, Texas. Hey John, thanks for
[01:22:03.020 --> 01:22:05.660]  holding so long so patiently. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:22:05.660 --> 01:22:08.140]  Well, how are y'all doing?
[01:22:08.140 --> 01:22:09.140]  Good.
[01:22:09.140 --> 01:22:21.300]  Oh, excellent, excellent. Here's my question for the evening. It deals with federal. Y'all
[01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:22.300]  want to go federal?
[01:22:22.300 --> 01:22:23.300]  Sure.
[01:22:23.300 --> 01:22:24.300]  Whatever's on your mind.
[01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:25.300]  Rock and roll.
[01:22:25.300 --> 01:22:35.340]  Okay, rock and roll. All right. Involving the search warrant for DNA. I had a warrant
[01:22:35.340 --> 01:22:54.260]  issued for the collection of my DNA. This was back in 2005, I believe. Yeah, 2005. Anyway,
[01:22:54.260 --> 01:23:01.740]  long story short, I went down to the clerk's office, federal clerk's office to get a copy
[01:23:01.740 --> 01:23:09.380]  of the affidavit to see what the probable cause and what rules or what laws I supposedly
[01:23:09.380 --> 01:23:16.140]  violated for the issuance of this warrant. Well, the first time I go down there, it's
[01:23:16.140 --> 01:23:27.300]  under seal. So, you know, without going to court to get it unsealed, I just kind of backed
[01:23:27.300 --> 01:23:31.420]  away and I figured, okay, the return's not in yet. And once they get the return in, they'll
[01:23:31.420 --> 01:23:40.220]  take it off seal. So I go back again a month later and they can't find it. It's not there.
[01:23:40.220 --> 01:23:43.540]  I'll tell you why they can't find it.
[01:23:43.540 --> 01:23:44.540]  What's wrong?
[01:23:44.540 --> 01:23:54.420]  Well, when a magistrate issues a warrant, the court assigns a cause number.
[01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:56.020]  Correct.
[01:23:56.020 --> 01:24:04.260]  When the magistrate seals the warrant, the clerk takes the cause number out of the court
[01:24:04.260 --> 01:24:10.700]  record. It's gone. It's not there. The first time you came, they hadn't taken the number
[01:24:10.700 --> 01:24:15.540]  out yet. When you came back, they had removed the number.
[01:24:15.540 --> 01:24:20.580]  Well, I had them look it up under my name. No go.
[01:24:20.580 --> 01:24:21.580]  It's not there.
[01:24:21.580 --> 01:24:30.180]  I had them look it up under my name. I had them look it up under the agent, the agent's
[01:24:30.180 --> 01:24:36.620]  name, the affidavit. Not there. And, of course, the cause number and they can't find any record
[01:24:36.620 --> 01:24:37.620]  of this thing.
[01:24:37.620 --> 01:24:43.340]  Right. That's what they do. They pull the cause number out. Deborah and I were in Philadelphia.
[01:24:43.340 --> 01:24:47.220]  So it's still there in the clerk's office.
[01:24:47.220 --> 01:24:54.060]  Yeah. They just don't have the number. The clerks don't have access to the number. We
[01:24:54.060 --> 01:25:02.820]  went to, we were there in Philadelphia looking for a warrant for one particular guy they
[01:25:02.820 --> 01:25:10.220]  searched. And I asked about the warrant and they didn't know anything about it.
[01:25:10.220 --> 01:25:17.180]  I said, well, wait a minute. They searched this guy's place and took all his stuff. Well,
[01:25:17.180 --> 01:25:21.900]  it's not a record. And, you know, I was talking to the guy, kind of explaining what I was
[01:25:21.900 --> 01:25:28.580]  doing and I got someone who was on our side. I said, wait a minute, wait a minute. They
[01:25:28.580 --> 01:25:37.060]  search this guy and you don't have any record of it? And the guy looks to each side to make
[01:25:37.060 --> 01:25:42.820]  sure nobody's around. He looks me right in the eye and he says, no, I don't have a cause
[01:25:42.820 --> 01:25:50.820]  number for that. Now, clearly he's telling me something that he wants me to hear and
[01:25:50.820 --> 01:25:54.060]  he wants to make sure nobody else heard him tell me that.
[01:25:54.060 --> 01:25:55.060]  Right.
[01:25:55.060 --> 01:26:02.140]  So I'm thinking, hmm, what is this little game we're playing? I said, okay, okay, okay.
[01:26:02.140 --> 01:26:07.020]  You're saying you have no number for that warrant. He said, that's right. When you issue
[01:26:07.020 --> 01:26:16.020]  a warrant, do they, does the clerk issue a cause number? Yes, we do. And you're saying
[01:26:16.020 --> 01:26:20.500]  you have no, does that mean we, there's no warrant? He said, well, not exactly. Well,
[01:26:20.500 --> 01:26:28.700]  first he looked side to side and he said, well, not exactly. So they issue the warrant,
[01:26:28.700 --> 01:26:32.620]  you issue a cause number, and then the warrant was sealed.
[01:26:32.620 --> 01:26:33.620]  Right.
[01:26:33.620 --> 01:26:40.020]  And he looked to each side. I asked him, I forgot how that went, but somehow he let me
[01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:44.820]  know that, yeah, he understood that the warrant was sealed. So if a warrant is sealed, you
[01:26:44.820 --> 01:26:53.060]  don't have the cause number. And he looked to each side real careful. And then he said,
[01:26:53.060 --> 01:27:05.060]  no. Oh, so what I did was made up a letter and sent, sent it to every magistrate, every
[01:27:05.060 --> 01:27:11.820]  federal magistrate in the state of Pennsylvania. And I told him that I'm a radio host from
[01:27:11.820 --> 01:27:16.380]  Texas. And I get people calling in on my show talking about what a bunch of scoundrels all
[01:27:16.380 --> 01:27:26.140]  the police and courts are. And I've had people calling in talking about federal agents, IRS
[01:27:26.140 --> 01:27:35.460]  agents, and ATF coming out and raiding them, taking all their stuff and disappearing. And
[01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:43.140]  they have no issues with any of these agencies. The feds just show up with the local cops.
[01:27:43.140 --> 01:27:46.180]  They pull them out of their house. And while they're out of the house, they go in and take
[01:27:46.180 --> 01:27:52.820]  all kinds of stuff, guns and computers and disappear. They're here for it.
[01:27:52.820 --> 01:27:58.700]  So what I think is happening, I think you have some rogue agents out there. And I think
[01:27:58.700 --> 01:28:03.540]  they're going through the court records and finding where a cause number is missing and
[01:28:03.540 --> 01:28:07.420]  assuming that that cause number is missing because it's the cause number for a sealed
[01:28:07.420 --> 01:28:14.140]  warrant. And then they make up their own sealed warrant and go to the police and say, hey,
[01:28:14.140 --> 01:28:18.820]  bubba, I got this warrant. I want you to come do security for me. So they take the local
[01:28:18.820 --> 01:28:21.900]  police out there and the police drag you out of your house and hold you at gunpoint while
[01:28:21.900 --> 01:28:30.420]  they rob everything you got. And then they disappear. So I want you to provide for me
[01:28:30.420 --> 01:28:36.400]  all of the cause numbers for all of the warrants that you have issued that have been sealed
[01:28:36.400 --> 01:28:42.140]  and subsequently executed. So I can petition the district court for a writ of mandamus
[01:28:42.140 --> 01:28:45.660]  to order you to come before that court and show causes to why those warrants are being
[01:28:45.660 --> 01:28:53.540]  sealed. Then I can compare the warrants in your files to the warrants I have of people
[01:28:53.540 --> 01:28:54.540]  who's been robbed.
[01:28:54.540 --> 01:29:00.580]  Randy, what I was thinking about doing was going up to the judge, the judge's office,
[01:29:00.580 --> 01:29:08.900]  and seeing if they have anything going. And you'll see the judge's clerk and see what
[01:29:08.900 --> 01:29:10.580]  he or she has to say.
[01:29:10.580 --> 01:29:12.180]  You can ask for it under discovery.
[01:29:12.180 --> 01:29:19.020]  Well, I don't want to do it. I've been, all right.
[01:29:19.020 --> 01:29:23.100]  There's a cause against you. Have they ever come after you?
[01:29:23.100 --> 01:29:35.740]  No. Randy, this is a really bizarre, fun little thing. Okay? And I've called him before. And
[01:29:35.740 --> 01:29:39.620]  let me dance with this one a little, with you a little on this, give you just a real
[01:29:39.620 --> 01:29:45.180]  brief outline. I was a criminal investigator with the attorney general's office, wearing
[01:29:45.180 --> 01:29:46.180]  a bell.
[01:29:46.180 --> 01:29:47.180]  Yes.
[01:29:47.180 --> 01:29:56.340]  Okay. And I was in the Medicaid fraud unit. And my specialty was going after doctors.
[01:29:56.340 --> 01:30:04.140]  Okay. Fast forward to 9-11. And post 9-11, I get recruited into the Joint Terrorism Task
[01:30:04.140 --> 01:30:10.060]  Force. Okay. Are y'all hanging up on me now?
[01:30:10.060 --> 01:30:11.060]  Not yet.
[01:30:11.060 --> 01:30:12.060]  No.
[01:30:12.060 --> 01:30:13.060]  No.
[01:30:13.060 --> 01:30:15.100]  It's like, oh God, a big bug.
[01:30:15.100 --> 01:30:19.540]  No, we love to get calls from people like you. This is great.
[01:30:19.540 --> 01:30:21.620]  Well, I'm reformed now.
[01:30:21.620 --> 01:30:28.980]  Well, we actually, we need people on the inside that are on our side. But go ahead.
[01:30:28.980 --> 01:30:35.820]  Well, anyway, I was, like I said, I was on the Joint Terrorism Task Force and I was around
[01:30:35.820 --> 01:30:42.780]  the state and everything. Anyway, I was the target of a bomb threat. And this was in June
[01:30:42.780 --> 01:30:53.460]  of 2005. You might remember that a whole neighborhood was cleared back then over this thing. Okay.
[01:30:53.460 --> 01:31:00.300]  I come out my front door. There's a package. It looks suspicious. I open it. I got two
[01:31:00.300 --> 01:31:08.900]  wires. My son's strapped into a car seat. And I get a call out for help and it goes
[01:31:08.900 --> 01:31:16.980]  from there. FBI and its infinite wisdom makes me a person of interest. Okay.
[01:31:16.980 --> 01:31:19.020]  Because you got a bomb threat.
[01:31:19.020 --> 01:31:25.180]  Yeah. Just like they're doing with this doctor up in Colorado. You know, his car blows up
[01:31:25.180 --> 01:31:34.180]  and now he's a person of interest. Anyway, off topic. But anyway, and so because they
[01:31:34.180 --> 01:31:41.620]  can't seem to find any evidence indicating anyone else, I become a person of interest.
[01:31:41.620 --> 01:31:54.540]  I get basically debriefed gently for about six hours. Then made to do sort of coerced
[01:31:54.540 --> 01:32:00.980]  very strongly into doing a polygraph, which I was in no shape to be doing a polygraph.
[01:32:00.980 --> 01:32:09.700]  And I think the whole procedure for the polygraph was wrong. And certainly didn't comply with
[01:32:09.700 --> 01:32:17.220]  any of the way I've done it in the past. Nor would I put someone in a position. Of course,
[01:32:17.220 --> 01:32:21.900]  sometimes you use a polygraph just for intimidation purposes. You know, you don't even care what
[01:32:21.900 --> 01:32:30.740]  the machine says. Anyway, it turns into about a four hour, very intense interrogation session.
[01:32:30.740 --> 01:32:37.940]  And then I get booted out of the attorney. I lose my job. They start spreading rumors
[01:32:37.940 --> 01:32:44.980]  that my marriage, like my wife had walked out on me, right, when in fact she was out
[01:32:44.980 --> 01:32:53.340]  of town on business at a conference. That I had had a psychotic break. All this stuff.
[01:32:53.340 --> 01:33:01.540]  I did grant them a search warrant. I get a consensual the day of the incident to search
[01:33:01.540 --> 01:33:10.940]  my house. And that was really bizarre because they made me leave. They wouldn't let me stay.
[01:33:10.940 --> 01:33:19.300]  They did something jicky where they managed to keep my keys to the house overnight. Which,
[01:33:19.300 --> 01:33:23.580]  you know, everything looking back. You guys are like, you know, you should know better.
[01:33:23.580 --> 01:33:32.180]  Yes, I should. And then I become this person of interest. And then one day I get this call.
[01:33:32.180 --> 01:33:38.060]  We got some stuff. You left it at the office. I'm going to come by and bring it by. I know
[01:33:38.060 --> 01:33:44.820]  the agent. You know. And I'm like, yeah, sure. Come on by. I said, I'll come up and come
[01:33:44.820 --> 01:33:48.580]  get it. You don't have to drive all the way down to the house. I'll come get it. And they're
[01:33:48.580 --> 01:33:52.740]  like, no, no. I'm going to be down there anyway. And I'll come by. And I turned to my wife
[01:33:52.740 --> 01:33:57.060]  and I said, watch. If two guys show up at the door, it's going to be trouble. And sure
[01:33:57.060 --> 01:34:03.020]  enough, two guys show up at the door. And they said, we need a DNA sample. And then
[01:34:03.020 --> 01:34:07.580]  he pulls his jacket back to let me see his shoulder holster and rig. And says, we have
[01:34:07.580 --> 01:34:12.980]  authorization for any force necessary to get it, by the way. And of course, I'm in the
[01:34:12.980 --> 01:34:21.260]  living room in my house. What am I going to do? And with my wife sitting there. And so
[01:34:21.260 --> 01:34:26.940]  I've always been real curious to find out what in this affidavit was the probable cause
[01:34:26.940 --> 01:34:31.260]  for them to get that warrant issued. And I got a funny feeling if they ever get my hands
[01:34:31.260 --> 01:34:35.940]  on it, there's going to be some people's career diminishing warning lights going off rather
[01:34:35.940 --> 01:34:36.940]  brightly.
[01:34:36.940 --> 01:34:43.460]  John, why would they do this to you?
[01:34:43.460 --> 01:34:46.860]  What information do you have they want to discredit you for?
[01:34:46.860 --> 01:34:52.300]  Yeah, really. It seems like they went to great lengths.
[01:34:52.300 --> 01:35:02.340]  Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Were you honest?
[01:35:02.340 --> 01:35:03.340]  What do you mean?
[01:35:03.340 --> 01:35:07.340]  That's the problem.
[01:35:07.340 --> 01:35:14.620]  Well, what Eddie and I are trying to say is that John must have had some information on
[01:35:14.620 --> 01:35:21.740]  somebody to make them go to this great, just extreme lengths to try to discredit you and
[01:35:21.740 --> 01:35:24.460]  take away your job. And it's crazy.
[01:35:24.460 --> 01:35:34.460]  Guys, before you start going way out there, it's as simple as when you work for the attorney
[01:35:34.460 --> 01:35:44.740]  general, that's a politically held office. And those guys do not want heat. And if you're
[01:35:44.740 --> 01:35:52.660]  a low life troll, i.e. an investigator or somebody like that, you get the boot, but
[01:35:52.660 --> 01:35:58.020]  you draw heat. And this thing was going to go... I mean, like my brother called me from
[01:35:58.020 --> 01:36:07.180]  Ohio saying, I saw you on CNN. KXAN had flown a helicopter around and shot footage of me
[01:36:07.180 --> 01:36:13.220]  laying out across my yard holding this package with the bomb squad guys over me. And he saw
[01:36:13.220 --> 01:36:21.180]  it and recognized my house up in Ohio. And then this thing went dead in the news media.
[01:36:21.180 --> 01:36:29.420]  They quashed it all through the news media. It wasn't in the cycle for less than 18 hours.
[01:36:29.420 --> 01:36:39.740]  And I have some theories, but unfortunately, I really don't want to go into them over the
[01:36:39.740 --> 01:36:49.940]  phone because I'm still bound by my security clearance agreement, obviously.
[01:36:49.940 --> 01:36:55.100]  Can I interject my thoughts as to what it might be without causing you a problem?
[01:36:55.100 --> 01:37:00.860]  Go ahead, sir. I'll tell you if it is.
[01:37:00.860 --> 01:37:06.260]  A staged event, which could still follow along the lines of what Deborah and I were talking
[01:37:06.260 --> 01:37:14.260]  about, a staged event because they feared you may have had something on something else.
[01:37:14.260 --> 01:37:18.620]  Because as you say, if you're drawing heat and you work for a highly visible government
[01:37:18.620 --> 01:37:23.740]  agency, you're right. They don't like that. But the thing is, is that they were looking
[01:37:23.740 --> 01:37:29.140]  for a way to get rid of you because of a suspicion they developed on their own, whether true
[01:37:29.140 --> 01:37:34.660]  or false. This could have been set up on you to begin with, which was why it was also so
[01:37:34.660 --> 01:37:35.660]  easily quashed.
[01:37:35.660 --> 01:37:42.620]  You know, and I've thought of that as well. I just think they went to great length.
[01:37:42.620 --> 01:37:48.100]  That's what I was thinking. That's going to, you know, the bomb threat of that nature is
[01:37:48.100 --> 01:37:52.740]  going to really great lengths if they didn't want it public.
[01:37:52.740 --> 01:37:59.380]  This thing went from 7.30 in the morning to almost 8 o'clock at night. I mean, everybody
[01:37:59.380 --> 01:38:07.460]  was here and they cleared out 100 homes. They moved people, they moved city buses in so
[01:38:07.460 --> 01:38:12.140]  the neighbors could go sit in it and stay cool because it was like 100 degrees that
[01:38:12.140 --> 01:38:18.220]  day. And you know how most bomb threats are, you know, they, they rule it a dud within
[01:38:18.220 --> 01:38:21.700]  a, you know, pretty relatively quick period of time.
[01:38:21.700 --> 01:38:22.700]  Yeah.
[01:38:22.700 --> 01:38:29.500]  Yeah. This, I mean, one o'clock in the afternoon, I still don't know if this, if I was holding
[01:38:29.500 --> 01:38:30.900]  something hot or not.
[01:38:30.900 --> 01:38:31.900]  Right.
[01:38:31.900 --> 01:38:39.460]  Now, thank God, it turned out it was, it was false. It was fake. There was a note in there,
[01:38:39.460 --> 01:38:46.300]  which I've never been allowed to read the note. So I have no idea what's on that and
[01:38:46.300 --> 01:38:56.420]  what it's about, you know. And now I also had just put them two doctors in prison and
[01:38:56.420 --> 01:39:01.940]  I had about three more on the shingle waiting for sentencing.
[01:39:01.940 --> 01:39:05.540]  Were any of them politically connected?
[01:39:05.540 --> 01:39:11.740]  They all were, these guys with the money they had are all politically connected. One, either
[01:39:11.740 --> 01:39:17.060]  through their associations or directly. I mean, they all are big campaign contributors.
[01:39:17.060 --> 01:39:18.060]  Okay.
[01:39:18.060 --> 01:39:23.180]  Yeah. But see, that run along the lines of what I was talking about, that, that would
[01:39:23.180 --> 01:39:28.780]  still work. You are talking about this makes it very big in the public eye, but consider
[01:39:28.780 --> 01:39:33.340]  what it is we're dealing with. What is the most feared thing in the public eye right
[01:39:33.340 --> 01:39:38.620]  now? What would make the public fear somebody in your position? Should they be able to make
[01:39:38.620 --> 01:39:44.700]  it appear as if you staged it, you know, a bomb threat in the public eye after something
[01:39:44.700 --> 01:39:50.660]  like 9 11, even that far in advance or past that time point. Those are all things that
[01:39:50.660 --> 01:39:56.460]  are high key hot buttons in the public eye. It would make it even easier for them to throw
[01:39:56.460 --> 01:40:01.540]  a discrediting blanket over you because of that type of event, even if it's only in the
[01:40:01.540 --> 01:40:02.900]  public eye for a short time.
[01:40:02.900 --> 01:40:14.900]  They really discredited me. I mean, they ruined my career. You know, I mean, I was, folks,
[01:40:14.900 --> 01:40:22.420]  I had letters of commendation from very high level, you know, DOJ and FBI and the attorney
[01:40:22.420 --> 01:40:31.020]  general. I mean, you know, I was good at what I did and played it clean, played it straight,
[01:40:31.020 --> 01:40:38.500]  always did. Never had a case overturned, never had a case thrown out. You know, dealt with
[01:40:38.500 --> 01:40:47.180]  some very high powered defense attorney, won everything that we went in on. You know, did
[01:40:47.180 --> 01:40:52.380]  it right, did it well. And the way you're saying it-
[01:40:52.380 --> 01:40:56.380]  How long had these, I'm sorry, how long had these doctors avoided detection before somebody
[01:40:56.380 --> 01:40:58.380]  like you came along though?
[01:40:58.380 --> 01:40:59.380]  Oh, years.
[01:40:59.380 --> 01:41:00.380]  Exactly.
[01:41:00.380 --> 01:41:06.940]  Exactly. And then you, Joe, Boy Scouts show up and start peeing in the pool, as it were,
[01:41:06.940 --> 01:41:09.140]  and now they got a problem.
[01:41:09.140 --> 01:41:16.140]  You remember, like, there was a rash of foreign doctors getting hammered in Midland and Odessa
[01:41:16.140 --> 01:41:23.980]  back from about maybe two, from about 99 through about 2004 or five?
[01:41:23.980 --> 01:41:24.980]  You mean-
[01:41:24.980 --> 01:41:25.980]  Yeah, real big trial.
[01:41:25.980 --> 01:41:30.540]  You may have hammered one that was coming to me for help.
[01:41:30.540 --> 01:41:31.540]  Yes.
[01:41:31.540 --> 01:41:35.460]  So, yeah, I remember that.
[01:41:35.460 --> 01:41:44.700]  And I had hammered, maybe that's the wrong term to use because, you know, given the position
[01:41:44.700 --> 01:41:51.740]  I was in. But we had cases against, I mean, multi-million dollar, $8 million dollar Medicaid
[01:41:51.740 --> 01:41:54.740]  fraud cases. You know-
[01:41:54.740 --> 01:41:59.100]  Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let me set a posture.
[01:41:59.100 --> 01:42:01.260]  Alright, posture.
[01:42:01.260 --> 01:42:05.740]  We're not in any way against proper law enforcement, not at all.
[01:42:05.740 --> 01:42:09.140]  Oh, okay, I understand, I understand, yeah.
[01:42:09.140 --> 01:42:13.340]  We're only against, after the ones who can't follow the rule of law.
[01:42:13.340 --> 01:42:19.940]  No, I understand, Randy, but a lot of people call in and they have been hammered and unfairly
[01:42:19.940 --> 01:42:28.660]  hammered and unjustly hammered. And I don't want to make it sound like I had that-
[01:42:28.660 --> 01:42:29.660]  You were wielding it?
[01:42:29.660 --> 01:42:30.660]  Yeah.
[01:42:30.660 --> 01:42:38.980]  Yeah, I'm trying to be sensitive to our fellow listeners here because, really, I didn't wake
[01:42:38.980 --> 01:42:43.580]  up till I, you know, it was kind of like if you looked at the judicial system as a game
[01:42:43.580 --> 01:42:49.280]  of whack-a-mole. I was the hammer for a long time and then I became the mole. And when
[01:42:49.280 --> 01:42:52.700]  you become the mole, your perspective changes dramatically.
[01:42:52.700 --> 01:42:57.260]  Yes, not nearly as much fun.
[01:42:57.260 --> 01:43:01.260]  And not nearly as much fun as having the hammer.
[01:43:01.260 --> 01:43:06.260]  Yeah, and that's exactly where I try to get people to go. We want to take the moles and
[01:43:06.260 --> 01:43:08.260]  give them hammers.
[01:43:08.260 --> 01:43:16.700]  Yeah, yeah. And which also begs me, so anyway, back to where we were-
[01:43:16.700 --> 01:43:20.420]  We're about to go to break. We've got about 40 seconds. And when we come back from break,
[01:43:20.420 --> 01:43:28.500]  I would like to talk about how to get that warrant. If it has been executed, there's
[01:43:28.500 --> 01:43:30.500]  no reason for it to be sealed anymore.
[01:43:30.500 --> 01:43:31.500]  I understand.
[01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:34.500]  Okay, we're going to break.
[01:43:34.500 --> 01:43:39.020]  Okay, yeah, we'll be right back. John, just hang on the line, okay?
[01:43:39.020 --> 01:43:40.020]  You got it.
[01:43:40.020 --> 01:43:59.620]  All right, we'll be right back. This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
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[01:46:03.500 --> 01:46:25.220]  I'm not a gold digger. I'm a gold digger. I'm a gold digger. I'm a gold digger. I'm a
[01:46:34.360 --> 01:47:01.780]  gold digger. I'm a gold digger. I'm a gold digger. I'm a gold digger. I'm a gold digger.
[01:47:01.780 --> 01:47:10.440]  Okay, we're speaking with John in Austin about his ordeal and then we're going to go to Alfred
[01:47:10.440 --> 01:47:11.440]  in Texas.
[01:47:11.440 --> 01:47:12.440]  Alfred, just hang on the line.
[01:47:12.440 --> 01:47:14.280]  We're going to go to you next.
[01:47:14.280 --> 01:47:19.000]  So Randy, you were commenting to John before we went to break.
[01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:20.000]  Yes.
[01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:23.480]  John, apparently there's been no charges filed against you.
[01:47:23.480 --> 01:47:25.560]  Oh, no, not at all.
[01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:26.840]  I don't even know if...
[01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:30.560]  I never even received a target letter.
[01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:31.560]  Okay.
[01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:32.560]  Okay.
[01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:37.680]  Which is sometimes done, you know, informing me that I am the target of an investigation.
[01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:44.680]  Then you should petition the district court for a writ of mandamus ordering the magistrate
[01:47:44.680 --> 01:47:51.400]  who issued the warrant to make it available to you because you are an interested party.
[01:47:51.400 --> 01:47:57.520]  And since the warrant has already been executed, you have a right to determine if the warrant
[01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:00.120]  was valid or not.
[01:48:00.120 --> 01:48:08.760]  And, you know, because like it was real funny, they said, you know, because I asked, why
[01:48:08.760 --> 01:48:09.760]  are you doing this warrant?
[01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:12.300]  They said, well, we found a hair.
[01:48:12.300 --> 01:48:14.240]  And I'm like, okay.
[01:48:14.240 --> 01:48:15.720]  And they said it was a facial hair.
[01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:17.920]  I have a goatee.
[01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:24.480]  And the agent pulled out the report and the color is not listed and he said, oh, she forgot
[01:48:24.480 --> 01:48:25.480]  to put the color.
[01:48:25.480 --> 01:48:30.520]  The technician forgot to put the color on the report of the hair.
[01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:32.240]  And I called her and it was red.
[01:48:32.240 --> 01:48:37.920]  And I'm like, you know, I'm getting on up there and I got as much white and gray in
[01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:40.840]  my beard as I do color.
[01:48:40.840 --> 01:48:46.520]  And I'm like, you know, Tony, you know, with that kind of mentality, you're a little reddish
[01:48:46.520 --> 01:48:49.120]  as well.
[01:48:49.120 --> 01:48:50.120]  And so what?
[01:48:50.120 --> 01:48:54.280]  I mean, the package was open and I had it in my possession for almost two hours before
[01:48:54.280 --> 01:48:57.760]  I was liberated from it, you know?
[01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:08.240]  And I found it real as an investigator, I found it real suspicious that the technician.
[01:49:08.240 --> 01:49:14.920]  I mean, the first thing you do is, you know, male hair, facial, probably facial color red,
[01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:15.920]  blah, blah, blah.
[01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:17.880]  You always have the color in there.
[01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:19.240]  Wait a minute.
[01:49:19.240 --> 01:49:20.240]  Something's wrong here.
[01:49:20.240 --> 01:49:21.240]  Oh, yeah.
[01:49:21.240 --> 01:49:22.240]  Tell me.
[01:49:22.240 --> 01:49:25.320]  They came to you and said, hey, we found hair in the box.
[01:49:25.320 --> 01:49:28.080]  It looks like facial hair.
[01:49:28.080 --> 01:49:31.360]  We need a DNA sample to test.
[01:49:31.360 --> 01:49:34.680]  They were going to do a myocondrial.
[01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:35.680]  I know.
[01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:36.680]  Is that where you're going?
[01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:40.080]  Just pull the hair out, you'll have plenty of tissue on the end of it.
[01:49:40.080 --> 01:49:42.960]  They can tell from the follicle.
[01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.880]  Would you have, had they told you that, would you have objected?
[01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:46.880]  What's that?
[01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:53.320]  If they had said, well, we found hair in the box, we want to eliminate you as, you know,
[01:49:53.320 --> 01:49:57.960]  we want to see if it's your hair or possibly it's Perp's hair, would you have given, voluntarily
[01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:01.240]  given them DNA for that?
[01:50:01.240 --> 01:50:04.440]  Probably because I was still at this point being cooperative.
[01:50:04.440 --> 01:50:05.440]  So, okay.
[01:50:05.440 --> 01:50:06.440]  So.
[01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:08.640]  But he had a warrant in his back pocket.
[01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:11.520]  I don't know why.
[01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:12.600]  That's my question.
[01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:13.600]  Why would they?
[01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:18.320]  And he got real ticked when I asked him to leave the warrant.
[01:50:18.320 --> 01:50:22.080]  You know, cause I've been, and they did the mouth swab and, and everything.
[01:50:22.080 --> 01:50:24.000]  And I said, just leave the warrant.
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:25.000]  And they go, why?
[01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:26.000]  Cause I want a paper trail.
[01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:27.000]  Leave the warrant.
[01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:30.000]  Did he leave it?
[01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:31.000]  Yes.
[01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:39.480]  You should do a, um, Frank's hearing, petition for a Frank's hearing.
[01:50:39.480 --> 01:50:41.040]  What's that, sir?
[01:50:41.040 --> 01:50:47.840]  A Frank's hearing is a hearing to determine rather or not the person who requested a warrant
[01:50:47.840 --> 01:50:50.960]  lied to the magistrate or not.
[01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:56.040]  Well, there's also another problem about the person who requested the warrant.
[01:50:56.040 --> 01:51:02.240]  I, I was, had been partnering with that individual.
[01:51:02.240 --> 01:51:08.840]  And so, and he was supposedly the, my understanding, the lead agent on the investigation.
[01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:18.360]  Now, um, the protocol I always use that if any of my people or myself, anyone on an investigative
[01:51:18.360 --> 01:51:22.480]  team knew the subject, they would choose themself immediately.
[01:51:22.480 --> 01:51:27.920]  Yeah, that is pretty strange.
[01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:34.440]  I mean, this is a guy who I, you know, when I would be in town and go to the office, the
[01:51:34.440 --> 01:51:40.360]  investigator office, you know, we worked together, partnered together, had lunch.
[01:51:40.360 --> 01:51:42.360]  How long ago was this search?
[01:51:42.360 --> 01:51:44.560]  Uh, like I said, 2005.
[01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:45.560]  Oh, sorry.
[01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:46.560]  Okay.
[01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:47.560]  It's too far back.
[01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:48.560]  I know it's been a while.
[01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:49.560]  Yeah.
[01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:52.160]  It's too far away for them to have come to put something in there.
[01:51:52.160 --> 01:51:56.560]  Cause it's, you know, these are...
[01:51:56.560 --> 01:52:05.080]  I kind of took Randy, I was so beat up and shell shocked after this, um, it took about
[01:52:05.080 --> 01:52:14.800]  a good 18 months for me to get my bearings back, um, and after, you know, I kind of wanted
[01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:17.600]  to pound the flesh out of this deal.
[01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:20.120]  Yeah, I don't blame you.
[01:52:20.120 --> 01:52:25.680]  And you know, I talked with some attorney friends of mine and, and, and everything and they're
[01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:32.520]  like, John, you know, this is going to, I got quoted 75,000 to do the foreplay.
[01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:39.680]  And then if it goes to court, you know, that goes from there and you know, okay.
[01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:44.400]  So I hawk, you know, I hawk everything I got.
[01:52:44.400 --> 01:52:51.480]  I get there, I win it and I feel, I would feel like the mayor of Hiroshima, you know,
[01:52:51.480 --> 01:52:59.800]  I'm standing there the day after going, ah, okay, you know, um, when really the only people
[01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:08.240]  that matter to me are my wife, my family, you know, and, um, my wife asked me to let
[01:53:08.240 --> 01:53:15.920]  it go, um, that she didn't want it for her health, didn't want it drug backed up and
[01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:20.480]  for me to go out and charge it windmills again.
[01:53:20.480 --> 01:53:22.560]  And I have thought of that.
[01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:25.800]  Well, Alfred, listen, listen, we're almost out of time here.
[01:53:25.800 --> 01:53:30.240]  We have about three and a, yeah, I'm sorry, we've got like three and a half minutes left
[01:53:30.240 --> 01:53:34.600]  and I wanted to just take Alfred real quick because he's been waiting for so long.
[01:53:34.600 --> 01:53:35.600]  I'm sorry.
[01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:36.800]  No, no, that's okay.
[01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:41.200]  Can you call back in on Monday night and we could discuss this further?
[01:53:41.200 --> 01:53:42.880]  You guys want to do that?
[01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:45.080]  Yes, of course.
[01:53:45.080 --> 01:53:46.760]  Okay.
[01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:53.520]  I find it especially interesting because, you know, you have a, you're from the inside.
[01:53:53.520 --> 01:53:54.520]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:53:54.520 --> 01:53:57.120]  So you could be a guest if you want.
[01:53:57.120 --> 01:53:58.120]  Yeah.
[01:53:58.120 --> 01:54:03.360]  And what I've been telling everybody that, uh, we've got more guys on our side than we
[01:54:03.360 --> 01:54:04.360]  realize.
[01:54:04.360 --> 01:54:05.360]  Absolutely.
[01:54:05.360 --> 01:54:06.360]  John, let's talk to you offline.
[01:54:06.360 --> 01:54:07.360]  I wrote your phone number down.
[01:54:07.360 --> 01:54:08.560]  Let's, let's talk to you.
[01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:11.640]  We'll call you after the show or you can hang on the line and we'll talk to you after the
[01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:12.640]  show.
[01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:13.640]  I'll hang on the line.
[01:54:13.640 --> 01:54:17.520]  Okay, hang on the line because, because we've really, we've got like two minutes left, three
[01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:20.640]  minutes left and I want to get to Alfred because he's been waiting for like 40...
[01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:22.480]  And you guys pick me up when you're off.
[01:54:22.480 --> 01:54:23.480]  Okay.
[01:54:23.480 --> 01:54:24.480]  Thanks, John.
[01:54:24.480 --> 01:54:25.480]  All right.
[01:54:25.480 --> 01:54:26.480]  We'll speak with you after the show.
[01:54:26.480 --> 01:54:27.480]  All right.
[01:54:27.480 --> 01:54:28.480]  Yeah.
[01:54:28.480 --> 01:54:29.480]  We just, I just want to be considerate.
[01:54:29.480 --> 01:54:30.480]  People have been waiting for a long time.
[01:54:30.480 --> 01:54:31.480]  Alfred, thank you for patiently holding.
[01:54:31.480 --> 01:54:32.480]  We have about three minutes left.
[01:54:32.480 --> 01:54:33.480]  What's, what's on your mind?
[01:54:33.480 --> 01:54:36.480]  Well, I just, uh, call the last time.
[01:54:36.480 --> 01:54:43.000]  It's pretty heavy duty to compare to my, my, uh, case.
[01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:49.560]  I think I was doing a call the other day about this ticket I got it for no insurance.
[01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:50.560]  The parking lot.
[01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:51.560]  Yes.
[01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:57.160]  And then the phone, my phone went dead while Randy was explaining everything to me and,
[01:54:57.160 --> 01:54:59.800]  and I didn't have my car to, to plug it in.
[01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:02.000]  So I just didn't call back.
[01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:07.280]  So I just called him to let you all know that, you know, I'm on, take care of this on Monday.
[01:55:07.280 --> 01:55:08.560]  I got my car running again.
[01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:12.880]  I got it insured and I want to go and take care of this on Monday.
[01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:13.880]  Yes.
[01:55:13.880 --> 01:55:19.280]  Like when he was explaining to me that what to do about this and, uh, then my phone went
[01:55:19.280 --> 01:55:20.280]  dead.
[01:55:20.280 --> 01:55:21.280]  I couldn't call you all back.
[01:55:21.280 --> 01:55:24.280]  So I just wanted to explain that.
[01:55:24.280 --> 01:55:25.280]  Okay.
[01:55:25.280 --> 01:55:28.280]  Well, good.
[01:55:28.280 --> 01:55:31.600]  So make sure you let us know how it works out.
[01:55:31.600 --> 01:55:32.600]  I will.
[01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:33.600]  I will.
[01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:34.600]  I just, you know,
[01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:39.040]  And if I get a call from jail and it's Alfred, I'll say, Alfred who?
[01:55:39.040 --> 01:55:40.040]  Okay.
[01:55:40.040 --> 01:55:41.040]  Yeah.
[01:55:41.040 --> 01:55:44.040]  But I'm just going to let you off.
[01:55:44.040 --> 01:55:49.400]  I just want to let you all know that, uh, what happened the last time and, uh, I'm going
[01:55:49.400 --> 01:55:52.240]  to take care of this on Monday and I'll let you all know how this goes.
[01:55:52.240 --> 01:55:53.240]  All right.
[01:55:53.240 --> 01:55:54.240]  Thank you, Alfred.
[01:55:54.240 --> 01:55:55.240]  All right.
[01:55:55.240 --> 01:55:56.240]  Bye.
[01:55:56.240 --> 01:55:57.240]  Okay.
[01:55:57.240 --> 01:55:58.240]  Bye-bye.
[01:55:58.240 --> 01:55:59.240]  Okay.
[01:55:59.240 --> 01:56:00.240]  Then we're going to go back to John.
[01:56:00.240 --> 01:56:01.240]  Got a, got a couple of minutes left.
[01:56:01.240 --> 01:56:02.240]  Okay.
[01:56:02.240 --> 01:56:03.240]  John, you're back.
[01:56:03.240 --> 01:56:06.080]  Hey, I did have a question, another question real quick.
[01:56:06.080 --> 01:56:07.080]  Go ahead.
[01:56:07.080 --> 01:56:13.360]  Randy, um, I remember a long time ago, you were talking about wanting to put a group
[01:56:13.360 --> 01:56:14.360]  together.
[01:56:14.360 --> 01:56:20.680]  I guess it was, um, to, to go out and do battle.
[01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:21.680]  Yes.
[01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:26.440]  Uh, a guy gets in trouble, you know, and he's before the courts and they're screwing him
[01:56:26.440 --> 01:56:27.640]  all around.
[01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:31.520]  And I tell him, well, this is going on and all these criminal charges against the judge.
[01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:35.440]  I've got a guy now that's, that's got all my documents and he's not filing them.
[01:56:35.440 --> 01:56:40.480]  He's looking at big trouble and I'm thinking, you know, it's, it's like he's standing on
[01:56:40.480 --> 01:56:43.880]  a railroad track and he sees a train.
[01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:44.880]  Yeah.
[01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:48.600]  And he's, he's a, he's not going to run over him, but he's afraid if he does anything,
[01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:50.200]  it'll get worse.
[01:56:50.200 --> 01:56:59.320]  So we get someone who's not directly involved to come in and hammer them.
[01:56:59.320 --> 01:57:07.720]  I did that to a district judge in Johnson County and the guy, when he came into a courtroom
[01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:15.120]  and saw me sitting in there and realized who I was and who I was associated with.
[01:57:15.120 --> 01:57:20.560]  He continued the case immediately the next day, they got a recusal motion.
[01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:24.000]  He wanted nothing to do with it.
[01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:28.840]  And so this is, yeah, that's, uh, very much would like to put that together.
[01:57:28.840 --> 01:57:37.600]  And obviously you'd probably need a good investigator fact finder matter of fact, yes.
[01:57:37.600 --> 01:57:43.920]  And uh, you know, we need to talk offline.
[01:57:43.920 --> 01:57:52.080]  One of the things I guess for me, like I said, this was a very eye opening experience to
[01:57:52.080 --> 01:57:55.200]  be put through the wringer.
[01:57:55.200 --> 01:58:02.480]  And um, and I've learned that it's more common than people would think.
[01:58:02.480 --> 01:58:03.480]  Well, yeah.
[01:58:03.480 --> 01:58:09.720]  And here we've got somebody that was on the inside and was trying to do the right thing
[01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:12.520]  and suffered at, at the hands of the system.
[01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:20.480]  Oh, you know, the bite the hand that feeds you and uh, you know, I got whacked.
[01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:21.480]  Exactly.
[01:58:21.480 --> 01:58:26.480]  Well, listen, listen, John, we're at the end of the, we're at the end of the show.
[01:58:26.480 --> 01:58:27.640]  You're welcome to stay on the line.
[01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:28.920]  We can talk to you off air.
[01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:29.920]  Yeah, let's talk.
[01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:30.920]  Okay.
[01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:31.920]  All right.
[01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:32.920]  We'll talk.
[01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:33.920]  We'll talk off air.
[01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:34.920]  All right.
[01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:35.920]  We'll be back Monday evening.
[01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:36.920]  This is the rule of law.
[01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:37.920]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:38.920]  We're here with Eddie Craig.
[01:58:38.920 --> 01:58:46.760]  Don't forget HB 4653 send your testimonies to vote rescue and get down to the Capitol
[01:58:46.760 --> 01:58:51.960]  so we can get hand counted paper ballots in public view here in Texas.
[01:58:51.960 --> 01:59:21.440]  We'll see you Monday night.
[01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:23.960]  Okay.
[01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:24.960]  Thank you.
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[01:59:27.960 --> 01:59:52.960]  Thank you.
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