ROL_2009-03-27_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:12.460]  In Peru, Congresswoman Keiko Fujimori, daughter of the former president Alberto Fujimori, is
[00:12.460 --> 00:15.700]  a front-runner in some presidential polls.
[00:15.700 --> 00:21.740]  Alberto Fujimori is on trial accused of human rights abuses that include massacres that
[00:21.740 --> 00:24.920]  left 25 people dead in the 1990s.
[00:24.920 --> 00:29.700]  His daughter says she would pardon him if elected.
[00:29.700 --> 00:34.720]  One result of the economic downturn is more troops are remaining in the service.
[00:34.720 --> 00:39.600]  The army hit 152 percent of its re-enlistment goal this year.
[00:39.600 --> 00:46.200]  Meanwhile, 11.2 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are jobless.
[00:46.200 --> 00:51.520]  Leading climate scientist James Hansen says protest and direct action could be the only
[00:51.520 --> 00:57.560]  way to tackle soaring carbon emissions, noting corporate lobbying has undermined democratic
[00:57.560 --> 01:00.360]  attempts to curb carbon pollution.
[01:00.360 --> 01:10.440]  New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo says he plans to release the names of AIG bonus
[01:10.440 --> 01:11.440]  recipients.
[01:11.440 --> 01:16.760]  Cuomo is investigating the payouts, as well as those made by Merrill Lynch and other Wall
[01:16.760 --> 01:17.760]  Street firms.
[01:17.760 --> 01:23.360]  Cuomo's announcement followed a court ruling the Bank of America, which owns Merrill, must
[01:23.360 --> 01:25.960]  turn over the names of the Merrill recipients.
[01:25.960 --> 01:31.600]  The ruling suggests Cuomo will also get the AIG names, which were subpoenaed earlier this
[01:31.600 --> 01:32.600]  week.
[01:32.600 --> 01:38.240]  Wednesday, AIG's CEO Edward Liddy declined to assure Congress he would cooperate with
[01:38.240 --> 01:45.000]  Cuomo's probe, citing concern for the physical safety of employees who received bonuses.
[01:45.000 --> 01:53.920]  In October 2008, under Liddy's watch, days after AIG received an emergency $85 billion
[01:53.920 --> 02:00.920]  from the government, 70 executives spent a week at a California resort, spending $200,000
[02:00.920 --> 02:12.320]  on rooms, $150,000 on meals, and $23,000 on the spa.
[02:12.320 --> 02:17.280]  Professor Michael Hudson writes in news blog Counterpunch, the orchestrated outrage over
[02:17.280 --> 02:24.280]  the $165 million AIG bonuses is a diversion from the thousand times greater theft from
[02:24.280 --> 02:29.200]  taxpayers, namely AIG's $200 billion bailout.
[02:29.200 --> 02:34.220]  Americans are angry AIG executives are paying themselves millions of dollars in bonuses
[02:34.220 --> 02:37.880]  after having cost the taxpayers exorbitant sums of money.
[02:37.880 --> 02:43.600]  Defending the bonuses, White House economist Larry Summers invoked the sanctity of contracts.
[02:43.600 --> 02:49.640]  However, labor unions had to agree to give backs so the auto companies could obtain federal
[02:49.640 --> 02:50.640]  help.
[02:50.640 --> 02:56.360]  The Washington Post reports the Obama administration has set its sights on downsizing Social Security
[02:56.360 --> 03:02.160]  and Medicare.
[03:02.160 --> 03:07.080]  Austin police chief Art Acevedo is seeking federal funding to implement a program for
[03:07.080 --> 03:11.080]  training police to withdraw blood from DWI suspects.
[03:11.080 --> 03:15.480]  Do you want our police to be able to stick a needle in your arm and take your blood on
[03:15.480 --> 03:19.320]  the side of the road with no search warrant or court order?
[03:19.320 --> 03:25.200]  This program is patently illegal, reckless, unconstitutional, and life-threatening.
[03:25.200 --> 03:31.080]  Join us March 30th at 6 p.m. at Austin City Hall in the city council chambers for the
[03:31.080 --> 03:36.880]  public forum on police blood withdrawal, sponsored by Texans for Accountable Government and Austin
[03:36.880 --> 03:38.760]  Campaign for Liberty.
[03:38.760 --> 03:44.560]  Speakers include police chief Art Acevedo, city council member Mike Martinez, TAG steering
[03:44.560 --> 03:50.480]  committee rep John Bush, ACLU Central Texas Chapter President Debbie Russell, and mad
[03:50.480 --> 03:52.040]  rep Karen Housewright.
[03:52.040 --> 03:58.480]  Be there March 30th at 6 p.m. at Austin City Hall and make your voice be heard on this
[03:58.480 --> 04:02.920]  very serious issue.
[04:02.920 --> 04:04.000]  Identity concerns everyone.
[04:04.000 --> 04:07.560]  The federal real ID has changed its name many times.
[04:07.560 --> 04:12.760]  From border speed passes to enhanced driver's licenses, the federal national ID is seeking
[04:12.760 --> 04:18.400]  a Texas identity and representative merits bill 4036.
[04:18.400 --> 04:24.800]  House bill 4036 indicates nationality or citizenship on licenses, hence nationalizing identity
[04:24.800 --> 04:30.040]  cards, adds biometric facial files to your license, and maintains the build of a national
[04:30.040 --> 04:31.040]  database.
[04:31.040 --> 04:37.720]  If your privacy, identity security, personal sovereignty, and the constitution concerns
[04:37.720 --> 04:41.760]  you, please offer your testimony during this crucial and important hearing, Monday after
[04:41.760 --> 04:44.800]  2 p.m. at the Texas Capitol in Austin.
[04:44.800 --> 04:50.080]  This is your opportunity to change the destiny of your identity in Texas.
[04:50.080 --> 05:05.920]  For more information, visit 511campaign.org.
[05:05.920 --> 05:12.880]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
[05:12.880 --> 05:20.920]  talk radio at its best.
[05:20.920 --> 05:29.720]  Yes, Mr. Officer, you've taken the line to hand, I want you to follow the law of the
[05:29.720 --> 05:30.720]  land.
[05:30.720 --> 05:31.720]  I don't understand.
[05:31.720 --> 05:43.160]  The job is to pick up the service, not beat out of views, how's this sir?
[05:43.160 --> 05:48.160]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you're power.
[05:48.160 --> 05:54.160]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you're power.
[05:54.160 --> 05:59.160]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you're power.
[05:59.160 --> 06:04.160]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you're power.
[06:04.160 --> 06:10.160]  So please Mr. Michael and each officer, have to abuse the power.
[06:10.160 --> 06:16.160]  Send a request to the leader, the captain of all officers.
[06:16.160 --> 06:21.160]  Tell them to uphold the law, abuse gonna be their power.
[06:21.160 --> 06:26.160]  The beat and the beat and the cheap and the heat and the light every hour.
[06:26.160 --> 06:32.160]  So Mr. Officer, please stop abusing your power.
[06:32.160 --> 06:37.160]  It will be over until it is silenced, sir.
[06:37.160 --> 06:39.160]  All right, we are back.
[06:39.160 --> 06:46.160]  The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on ruleoflawradio.com.
[06:46.160 --> 06:48.160]  Okay, we're gonna start going to some calls now.
[06:48.160 --> 06:52.160]  We've got Mark from Michigan who's been very patiently holding for quite a while.
[06:52.160 --> 06:53.160]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[06:53.160 --> 06:55.160]  What's on your mind tonight?
[06:55.160 --> 06:58.160]  Okay, one thing real quick and then I'll get into my issue.
[06:58.160 --> 07:03.160]  I was thinking about your issue in Texas with drawing blood, and I'm wondering,
[07:03.160 --> 07:09.160]  is there any way to go after these officers for practicing medicine without a license?
[07:09.160 --> 07:13.160]  Well, that's what she's talking about, them having to be a lobotomist.
[07:13.160 --> 07:15.160]  A lobotomist, a phlebotomist.
[07:15.160 --> 07:16.160]  Phlebotomist.
[07:16.160 --> 07:18.160]  No, they need a lobotomy.
[07:18.160 --> 07:21.160]  Yeah, a lobotomy.
[07:21.160 --> 07:25.160]  Yeah, it's just serious because it seems to me like if you have standing for that,
[07:25.160 --> 07:27.160]  that's kind of a big deal.
[07:27.160 --> 07:30.160]  Well, I don't think you need standing because if they're committing a crime,
[07:30.160 --> 07:32.160]  you don't need standing to file a criminal complaint.
[07:32.160 --> 07:34.160]  It's already against the Texas penal code.
[07:34.160 --> 07:37.160]  It may be against the penal code in your state.
[07:37.160 --> 07:38.160]  You need to look it up.
[07:38.160 --> 07:44.160]  No, but if you got stung a couple of times with a couple of lawsuits of people who did it,
[07:44.160 --> 07:49.160]  that, you know, will speak louder than getting a couple of criminal complaints
[07:49.160 --> 07:52.160]  with their current buddies can kind of pacify.
[07:52.160 --> 07:55.160]  Well, they can't pacify it when it goes up in front of the grand jury
[07:55.160 --> 07:57.160]  because the grand jury is not their buddy.
[07:57.160 --> 08:00.160]  Well, I'll tell you what, your lawsuit will take a long time.
[08:00.160 --> 08:03.160]  Your criminal complaints, if you get it to the right place and stuff,
[08:03.160 --> 08:05.160]  will not take very long to change attitudes.
[08:05.160 --> 08:08.160]  Yep, and they could lose their career over it.
[08:08.160 --> 08:12.160]  Getting sued is one thing, but they could lose their career if they go up in front of a grand jury
[08:12.160 --> 08:15.160]  and they'll go to jail too.
[08:15.160 --> 08:21.160]  Look at 3251 or the Texas penal code, you know, and then try to see if you have the same thing
[08:21.160 --> 08:25.160]  in your penal code there in your state or anything similar.
[08:25.160 --> 08:30.160]  3251 makes it a crime to take someone's biometric data.
[08:30.160 --> 08:32.160]  I mean, it goes to identity theft.
[08:32.160 --> 08:33.160]  Without their permission.
[08:33.160 --> 08:36.160]  Yeah, to take it without their permission.
[08:36.160 --> 08:40.160]  I know what it goes to, but it's wrote so vague that it could be fit under anything.
[08:40.160 --> 08:41.160]  Exactly.
[08:41.160 --> 08:46.160]  Well, yeah, and I have to look up the statute again on the medical procedures,
[08:46.160 --> 08:53.160]  but that to me is even stronger because, you know, it's pretty cut and dry.
[08:53.160 --> 08:56.160]  These kinds of things are governed by the state medical board.
[08:56.160 --> 09:03.160]  I mean, look at years ago, they raised an issue because a lot of these medical emergency boxes
[09:03.160 --> 09:10.160]  you find on walls of different places, they started controlling what was in those things
[09:10.160 --> 09:15.160]  because so many things have to be done by a doctor and this and that and everything else,
[09:15.160 --> 09:19.160]  and you can't, you're messing on too many laws when you turn around
[09:19.160 --> 09:25.160]  and try to even put too much medical assistance stuff in those medical emergency boxes.
[09:25.160 --> 09:30.160]  So, you know, this drawing blood is another example of that.
[09:30.160 --> 09:33.160]  They just act like, you know, just any Tom, Dick, and Harry can do it.
[09:33.160 --> 09:38.160]  Well, I mean, I have a hard time when I go and get blood.
[09:38.160 --> 09:44.160]  Every time when I go to my diabetes doctor because my blood vessels are farther in
[09:44.160 --> 09:47.160]  and they can't be found as easy as other people.
[09:47.160 --> 09:50.160]  So I may get stuck three and four times.
[09:50.160 --> 09:54.160]  So, I mean, I sure as hell, and that's the person that's used to drawing it,
[09:54.160 --> 09:57.160]  I sure as hell wouldn't want an Austin cop doing it.
[09:57.160 --> 10:00.160]  I'd probably lose my arm.
[10:00.160 --> 10:02.160]  Yeah, I have the same issue.
[10:02.160 --> 10:06.160]  Okay, well, I'm glad we got Russell on the line because, you know,
[10:06.160 --> 10:09.160]  I got his e-mail address once and then I lost it.
[10:09.160 --> 10:13.160]  But I'm the guy who's actually been planning on e-mailing you, Russell.
[10:13.160 --> 10:16.160]  So that's a part of it.
[10:16.160 --> 10:17.160]  No problem.
[10:17.160 --> 10:19.160]  Would you mind giving that out?
[10:19.160 --> 10:20.160]  No, I don't mind.
[10:20.160 --> 10:25.160]  It's ours and Russell, Tia's and Tom, Emma's and Mary at Texas.net.
[10:25.160 --> 10:27.160]  Spell out Texas.
[10:27.160 --> 10:28.160]  Okay, awesome.
[10:28.160 --> 10:33.160]  Okay, guys, the reason why I called tonight.
[10:33.160 --> 10:37.160]  I am actually in the right position as Russell.
[10:37.160 --> 10:44.160]  About eight years ago now, I lived in Detroit.
[10:44.160 --> 10:49.160]  I had an old house I was fixing up, and the lights were all off.
[10:49.160 --> 10:51.160]  You know, I'll try and make this quick.
[10:51.160 --> 10:52.160]  Lights were all off.
[10:52.160 --> 10:56.160]  I'm working on the electrical, and I hear this tapping on the door,
[10:56.160 --> 10:58.160]  banging on the windows and stuff.
[10:58.160 --> 11:04.160]  I come out, and there's this gang out there trying to break into the house.
[11:04.160 --> 11:08.160]  So, you know, I talk to them for a few minutes, and I'm a pretty calm guy.
[11:08.160 --> 11:12.160]  I'm not small, though, either, so I'm pretty intimidating.
[11:12.160 --> 11:18.160]  And then they're motioning like they've got something.
[11:18.160 --> 11:22.160]  And when I had come down, because I thought somebody was breaking in,
[11:22.160 --> 11:25.160]  I grabbed my shotgun, set it next to the door.
[11:25.160 --> 11:30.160]  Well, they started to come towards me, so I grabbed my shotgun from the door,
[11:30.160 --> 11:33.160]  walked out on the porch, and they kept coming.
[11:33.160 --> 11:35.160]  One of them pulled out a baseball bat,
[11:35.160 --> 11:39.160]  and then the other one kept reaching in his back pocket.
[11:39.160 --> 11:44.160]  Detroit's kind of a hostile environment, as I'm sure you've heard.
[11:44.160 --> 11:48.160]  So I fired a shot into the lawn.
[11:48.160 --> 11:55.160]  They drew down the bat and ran off.
[11:55.160 --> 11:58.160]  So I picked up the bat, threw it in the trash,
[11:58.160 --> 12:01.160]  picked up my shell, threw that in the trash, went back in the house,
[12:01.160 --> 12:04.160]  went back to work.
[12:04.160 --> 12:09.160]  You know, I know that sounds odd, but in Detroit, you don't call a cop.
[12:09.160 --> 12:13.160]  I've seen people dying on the street, and, you know, an hour later,
[12:13.160 --> 12:17.160]  the medic hasn't come, and no cop.
[12:17.160 --> 12:20.160]  So, you know, about two hours later, I got in my mind,
[12:20.160 --> 12:23.160]  I thought, you know, this is a little weird.
[12:23.160 --> 12:29.160]  So I called my dad, and he came over, and, you know,
[12:29.160 --> 12:33.160]  we were sitting there just talking, and things had calmed down.
[12:33.160 --> 12:36.160]  It had probably been about four hours since the incident,
[12:36.160 --> 12:39.160]  and I get this knock at the door,
[12:39.160 --> 12:44.160]  and, you know, there's somebody holding a flashlight, and it's the police.
[12:44.160 --> 12:50.160]  Well, you know, they push their way in, and, you know, act big and bad,
[12:50.160 --> 12:53.160]  holding their guns up and all that stuff.
[12:53.160 --> 12:56.160]  You know, long story short, I'm arrested.
[12:56.160 --> 12:58.160]  The neighbors are screaming.
[12:58.160 --> 13:00.160]  You know, it's not what you think.
[13:00.160 --> 13:01.160]  We saw the whole thing.
[13:01.160 --> 13:02.160]  They don't care.
[13:02.160 --> 13:03.160]  You know, I'm telling them about the bat.
[13:03.160 --> 13:04.160]  They don't care.
[13:04.160 --> 13:05.160]  Nothing matters.
[13:05.160 --> 13:08.160]  The guns, I'm arrested.
[13:08.160 --> 13:17.160]  I was held for 10 days in what was like a dungeon before I ever saw a magistrate,
[13:17.160 --> 13:20.160]  and that was the bail hearing.
[13:20.160 --> 13:25.160]  I was about 23 at the time, so, you know, I didn't really understand the process.
[13:25.160 --> 13:29.160]  And I guess, you know, now I see the purpose in it.
[13:29.160 --> 13:33.160]  I mean, I understand why the Lord led me this way.
[13:33.160 --> 13:41.160]  But long story short, I ended up pleading to a felony and to a misdemeanor.
[13:41.160 --> 13:50.160]  Reckless discharge of a firearm was the misdemeanor, and felonious assault was the felony.
[13:50.160 --> 13:56.160]  You know, lots of reasons behind that, but I just thought my family still got to live here.
[13:56.160 --> 14:01.160]  If I go to jail, my family's stuck at the place that they just tried to rob.
[14:01.160 --> 14:03.160]  You know, I'm not going to jail.
[14:03.160 --> 14:07.160]  I'll take your probation.
[14:07.160 --> 14:15.160]  Well, ever since then, I've been trying to figure out how to deal with this.
[14:15.160 --> 14:20.160]  And, of course, everybody suggests expungement, which is not a good option.
[14:20.160 --> 14:21.160]  It's just stupid to me.
[14:21.160 --> 14:23.160]  I don't want to expunge it.
[14:23.160 --> 14:24.160]  It never should have happened.
[14:24.160 --> 14:28.160]  So I'm wondering about reopening a case.
[14:28.160 --> 14:32.160]  I've been doing a lot of research this week about jurisdiction, you know,
[14:32.160 --> 14:37.160]  that it can be challenged at any time, and I think that's found something.
[14:37.160 --> 14:46.160]  But I'm wondering what the proper motions would be to start this ball rolling.
[14:46.160 --> 14:51.160]  Challenge to the jurisdiction based on lack of subject matter jurisdiction
[14:51.160 --> 14:55.160]  because the police officers violate a law relating to their office.
[14:55.160 --> 15:05.160]  I don't know the code in Michigan, what it actually says about how to accomplish
[15:05.160 --> 15:07.160]  an arrest without a warrant.
[15:07.160 --> 15:12.160]  In this case, the officers didn't personally see or hear an offense being committed,
[15:12.160 --> 15:15.160]  so they had to have a warrant to arrest.
[15:15.160 --> 15:17.160]  That's pretty consistent in every state.
[15:17.160 --> 15:20.160]  Yeah, I'm wondering why they came in the first place.
[15:20.160 --> 15:22.160]  Did somebody call the police?
[15:22.160 --> 15:25.160]  I'm suspecting that one of the gang members did.
[15:25.160 --> 15:26.160]  They did.
[15:26.160 --> 15:27.160]  They did.
[15:27.160 --> 15:31.160]  In effect, they were one of the witnesses there, and I thought, great.
[15:31.160 --> 15:32.160]  I'm a good guy.
[15:32.160 --> 15:35.160]  I said I couldn't let them test me.
[15:35.160 --> 15:36.160]  Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[15:36.160 --> 15:40.160]  Listen, Mark, you're kind of cutting out.
[15:40.160 --> 15:42.160]  Do you want me to call back in?
[15:42.160 --> 15:44.160]  Yeah, can you call back in?
[15:44.160 --> 15:45.160]  I'll call back in.
[15:45.160 --> 15:46.160]  Okay, all right.
[15:46.160 --> 15:48.160]  Thank you.
[15:48.160 --> 15:50.160]  Okay, he's going to call back in.
[15:50.160 --> 15:55.160]  I appreciate his difficulty.
[15:55.160 --> 16:05.160]  I grew up in the inner city, and it almost seemed like the police were on the gang's payroll.
[16:05.160 --> 16:08.160]  They could pretty much do anything they want to,
[16:08.160 --> 16:12.160]  and the police would protect them more often than not.
[16:12.160 --> 16:15.160]  Well, whoever has the money, you know.
[16:15.160 --> 16:21.160]  I mean, I'm sure that the gangs were paying the police much better than their paycheck.
[16:21.160 --> 16:22.160]  Much better.
[16:22.160 --> 16:25.160]  Much, much better, I'm sure.
[16:25.160 --> 16:32.160]  When I grew up in Chicago, we were far more afraid of the police than we were the gangs.
[16:32.160 --> 16:34.160]  The police was the real danger.
[16:34.160 --> 16:38.160]  Well, sounds reasonable to me.
[16:38.160 --> 16:41.160]  Okay, listen, we are going to break, and it looks like Mark has called back in.
[16:41.160 --> 16:44.160]  We'll go back to Mark when we get back on the other side.
[16:44.160 --> 16:48.160]  This is the Rule of Law on ruleoflawradio.com.
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[18:26.160 --> 18:33.160]  Mm, yeah, I won't.
[18:33.160 --> 18:36.160]  Oh, I won't.
[18:36.160 --> 18:44.160]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[18:44.160 --> 18:51.160]  We must refuse your nose, also I've been lied.
[18:51.160 --> 18:59.160]  It seems you like to say, but please take some words to the wise.
[18:59.160 --> 19:16.160]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[19:16.160 --> 19:18.160]  Okay, we are back.
[19:18.160 --> 19:26.160]  We are back on Rule of Law Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on ruleoflawradio.com.
[19:26.160 --> 19:31.160]  Okay, we are moving right along here with our callers,
[19:31.160 --> 19:34.160]  and we are going to go back to Mark in Michigan.
[19:34.160 --> 19:35.160]  Mark, call back in.
[19:35.160 --> 19:38.160]  Mark, thanks for calling back in, so please continue.
[19:38.160 --> 19:40.160]  Okay, guys, is this any better?
[19:40.160 --> 19:41.160]  It's a little better.
[19:41.160 --> 19:43.160]  Are you on a cell phone?
[19:43.160 --> 19:46.160]  I am, but I wish I could call on a landline.
[19:46.160 --> 19:47.160]  I know, I know.
[19:47.160 --> 19:50.160]  When we start getting a little bit better funding,
[19:50.160 --> 19:52.160]  once we start getting more sponsors, we'll add an 800 number.
[19:52.160 --> 19:58.160]  But at this point in time, there's just no way, especially when people sit on hold forever.
[19:58.160 --> 19:59.160]  That's okay.
[19:59.160 --> 20:05.160]  Okay, so I guess my question is, would I have to ask leave of the court to overturn the judgment,
[20:05.160 --> 20:10.160]  or would it just be a motion to dismiss, you know, based on these things?
[20:10.160 --> 20:14.160]  Would I treat this like the case is ongoing, or how would I?
[20:14.160 --> 20:17.160]  You treat it like the case is ongoing.
[20:17.160 --> 20:21.160]  Well, actually, you'll treat it like the case never happened,
[20:21.160 --> 20:29.160]  because you'll maintain that the court never had subject matter jurisdiction, so everything is void.
[20:29.160 --> 20:30.160]  Okay.
[20:30.160 --> 20:33.160]  Is there a secret to getting this in?
[20:33.160 --> 20:37.160]  Now, I've heard that, I can't remember where I was reading,
[20:37.160 --> 20:43.160]  but where they say in your initial pleadings or motions or petitions
[20:43.160 --> 20:49.160]  that you should never write down, you know, pro se or pro anything,
[20:49.160 --> 20:57.160]  because you don't want them to flag you as a pro se where you'll get nailed and just to merrily dismiss.
[20:57.160 --> 21:00.160]  That's not how you do it.
[21:00.160 --> 21:04.160]  I never put pro se on any of my documents.
[21:04.160 --> 21:12.160]  I put Randall Kelton here and after referred to as defendant or affiant or whatever.
[21:12.160 --> 21:14.160]  I never go to that.
[21:14.160 --> 21:16.160]  I don't know why anybody would.
[21:16.160 --> 21:17.160]  What difference does it make?
[21:17.160 --> 21:24.160]  Well, Randy, on court documents concerning, like, people who do have an attorney,
[21:24.160 --> 21:28.160]  does the attorney put the attorney's name on it?
[21:28.160 --> 21:33.160]  I mean, doesn't it say basically the same thing that you put on your documents?
[21:33.160 --> 21:34.160]  Precisely.
[21:34.160 --> 21:41.160]  Yes, so even people who have attorneys, they put the same thing, so they won't even be able to tell.
[21:41.160 --> 21:44.160]  I don't know if you have an attorney or not because it's a document that you're filing.
[21:44.160 --> 21:49.160]  They won't realize it until they see the signature at the bottom.
[21:49.160 --> 21:55.160]  Well, at the header, you know, in the header where at the top,
[21:55.160 --> 22:01.160]  they'll usually put, you know, the attorney for the plaintiff and then they'll list their address.
[22:01.160 --> 22:05.160]  And, you know, that's the section that I'm talking about.
[22:05.160 --> 22:06.160]  Just leave it off.
[22:06.160 --> 22:09.160]  Put it at the bottom.
[22:09.160 --> 22:10.160]  Okay.
[22:10.160 --> 22:12.160]  You know, they may gripe about it.
[22:12.160 --> 22:13.160]  Okay.
[22:13.160 --> 22:14.160]  Next time I put it at the top.
[22:14.160 --> 22:21.160]  But the first time they read your document, it looks just like a document an attorney sent to them.
[22:21.160 --> 22:26.160]  So you don't warn them right away that this is sent by a non-attorney
[22:26.160 --> 22:31.160]  so that they look at it from a different light.
[22:31.160 --> 22:37.160]  I don't want them to know that this was not done by an attorney until they finished the document
[22:37.160 --> 22:40.160]  because now it's had the mental impression.
[22:40.160 --> 22:46.160]  This goes to my primary study, which is psychology, which I like better than law.
[22:46.160 --> 22:54.160]  You want to – and that's why I write my documents so that they look like an attorney wrote them.
[22:54.160 --> 23:01.160]  I don't put any of that patriot keywords in there.
[23:01.160 --> 23:03.160]  Why would I do that?
[23:03.160 --> 23:07.160]  We're going to think garbage, come on, be honest.
[23:07.160 --> 23:12.160]  Well, I wanted to say something a little more colloquial than garbage.
[23:12.160 --> 23:20.160]  But, you know, it's like when they sign their contract, all rights reserved.
[23:20.160 --> 23:23.160]  What would you do that for?
[23:23.160 --> 23:24.160]  They're reserved anyway.
[23:24.160 --> 23:26.160]  Yeah, I know.
[23:26.160 --> 23:32.160]  There's no – you know, that's just like waving a red flag at everybody.
[23:32.160 --> 23:38.160]  I don't want them to realize that this is anything other than ordinary stuff they get every day
[23:38.160 --> 23:39.160]  until they get to the end of it.
[23:39.160 --> 23:43.160]  When they get to the end, they're going to be wondering, who is the attorney who did that?
[23:43.160 --> 23:45.160]  I'm going to ruin his career.
[23:45.160 --> 23:49.160]  And they get there and they find, well, it wasn't done by an attorney at all.
[23:49.160 --> 23:58.160]  And they may realize that an attorney didn't do it because it's relatively well structured.
[23:58.160 --> 23:59.160]  Oh, my gosh.
[23:59.160 --> 24:06.160]  Obviously, you know, I accused Dr. Graves when he said that he wrote jurisdictionary for an eighth grader.
[24:06.160 --> 24:09.160]  I accused him of not wanting attorneys to be able to read it.
[24:09.160 --> 24:11.160]  Well, actually, we talked about that.
[24:11.160 --> 24:14.160]  And he actually didn't write it for an eighth grader.
[24:14.160 --> 24:21.160]  But people are just saying that it's so easy to read and it's so simple that, you know, eighth graders can understand.
[24:21.160 --> 24:23.160]  And people are using jurisdictionary to homeschool their kids, too.
[24:23.160 --> 24:33.160]  Yes, someone was talking today when he said, oh, somebody on the phone and they said something was proved up with,
[24:33.160 --> 24:40.160]  oh, I forgot what they said, but clearly it was a statement that Dr. Graves uses all the time.
[24:40.160 --> 24:41.160]  So that's good to hear.
[24:41.160 --> 24:43.160]  It's coming back at us.
[24:43.160 --> 24:47.160]  And I think it was someone from Michigan that I was talking to.
[24:47.160 --> 24:49.160]  I think it was you.
[24:49.160 --> 24:50.160]  It probably was.
[24:50.160 --> 24:53.160]  Yes, and I said, you should file a writ of mandamus.
[24:53.160 --> 24:54.160]  And you said, I did that.
[24:54.160 --> 24:55.160]  You should do this.
[24:55.160 --> 24:56.160]  And I did that.
[24:56.160 --> 25:03.160]  And I asked, and you had already gotten jurisdictionary.
[25:03.160 --> 25:10.160]  So I could literally tell by the fact that you knew the right things to do and when to do them.
[25:10.160 --> 25:14.160]  So jurisdictionary is just very powerful.
[25:14.160 --> 25:15.160]  It's very useful.
[25:15.160 --> 25:16.160]  Absolutely.
[25:16.160 --> 25:27.160]  And I'll tell you, without that, just with the experiences that I've had since the incident in family court and traffic court,
[25:27.160 --> 25:29.160]  it's been huge.
[25:29.160 --> 25:30.160]  It's been huge.
[25:30.160 --> 25:31.160]  Objections.
[25:31.160 --> 25:38.160]  I mean, you want to put another attorney or an attorney on the opposing side in their place, object.
[25:38.160 --> 25:45.160]  It stops them because they aren't expecting you to do it.
[25:45.160 --> 25:46.160]  I mean, who are you?
[25:46.160 --> 25:47.160]  You don't know anything.
[25:47.160 --> 25:52.160]  All of a sudden, you're objecting, and you can tell why.
[25:52.160 --> 25:53.160]  They shut up.
[25:53.160 --> 25:54.160]  Yeah, really.
[25:54.160 --> 25:55.160]  So, okay.
[25:55.160 --> 26:02.160]  Well, I guess I may have some more questions as I progress on this, but I was really hitting those,
[26:02.160 --> 26:05.160]  and I thought I was going to have to file for a leave of the court.
[26:05.160 --> 26:09.160]  No, the court has no jurisdiction.
[26:09.160 --> 26:20.160]  Think in terms of jurisdiction, if I put on a robe and come into an empty courtroom
[26:20.160 --> 26:25.160]  and call you in there and say, hey, Bubba, I'm going to be the judge today,
[26:25.160 --> 26:29.160]  are you going to file a challenge to my jurisdiction?
[26:29.160 --> 26:31.160]  Oh, yeah.
[26:31.160 --> 26:35.160]  You're going to call the police and ask them to arrest this chump?
[26:35.160 --> 26:39.160]  Well, the judge is no different if he doesn't have subject matter jurisdiction,
[26:39.160 --> 26:45.160]  and the first thing he has to determine before he hears a case
[26:45.160 --> 26:48.160]  is whether or not he has subject matter jurisdiction.
[26:48.160 --> 26:52.160]  He has to consider all of those things that go to jurisdiction.
[26:52.160 --> 26:57.160]  I filed criminal charges against a judge in McLennan County.
[26:57.160 --> 27:03.160]  He granted a foreclosure to a mortgage company.
[27:03.160 --> 27:06.160]  I got the court record.
[27:06.160 --> 27:12.160]  The original filing had no certificate of service of any kind.
[27:12.160 --> 27:18.160]  A subsequent filing had a claim in it that it was sent by certified mail,
[27:18.160 --> 27:21.160]  but no certified mail number on the document.
[27:21.160 --> 27:26.160]  Neither was the return receipt, which is standard practice.
[27:26.160 --> 27:31.160]  The judge, in order to determine that the filings are sufficient
[27:31.160 --> 27:34.160]  to invoke the jurisdiction of the court,
[27:34.160 --> 27:40.160]  must ensure that certain legal requirements have been met.
[27:40.160 --> 27:42.160]  He failed to do that.
[27:42.160 --> 27:45.160]  That would go to insufficiency of process, wouldn't it?
[27:45.160 --> 27:46.160]  Yes.
[27:46.160 --> 27:50.160]  So I didn't file a challenge to the judge's jurisdiction.
[27:50.160 --> 27:59.160]  I filed criminal charges with the grand jury for impersonating a judicial officer.
[27:59.160 --> 28:03.160]  That was a lot more fun.
[28:03.160 --> 28:04.160]  And that's the whole point.
[28:04.160 --> 28:06.160]  He's a criminal.
[28:06.160 --> 28:08.160]  He's not a judge.
[28:08.160 --> 28:11.160]  He has an absolute duty to make sure he has that jurisdiction.
[28:11.160 --> 28:14.160]  And as a pro se, if you're going to go in pro se,
[28:14.160 --> 28:18.160]  you need to understand there are two sides to pro se's.
[28:18.160 --> 28:24.160]  There's a reason these judges and prosecutors and attorneys hate pro se's.
[28:24.160 --> 28:29.160]  Most of them are just people in there griping and moaning.
[28:29.160 --> 28:33.160]  But every once in a while, they come across a ringer.
[28:33.160 --> 28:38.160]  And this guy could care less about professional courtesy.
[28:38.160 --> 28:44.160]  He's not going to go by any of that crapola that these judges and prosecutors
[28:44.160 --> 28:47.160]  and defense counsel go by.
[28:47.160 --> 28:52.160]  They're going to raise all these really annoying questions.
[28:52.160 --> 28:56.160]  And you never know what kind of crapola they're going to pull out of their hats,
[28:56.160 --> 28:59.160]  or you wind up having to work harder.
[28:59.160 --> 29:03.160]  And if you go in there fighting them like a tiger,
[29:03.160 --> 29:08.160]  and not go in defensively but go in aggressively,
[29:08.160 --> 29:13.160]  they'll go in there in charge and just simply claim that the judge didn't have jurisdiction.
[29:13.160 --> 29:19.160]  You claim that the judge is impersonating a judicial officer because he acted without authority,
[29:19.160 --> 29:26.160]  like a police officer when they came into your house without a search warrant,
[29:26.160 --> 29:29.160]  and without having personal machine or her defense been committed,
[29:29.160 --> 29:33.160]  they were criminals and they committed aggravated assault.
[29:33.160 --> 29:35.160]  Is there a time limit on that?
[29:35.160 --> 29:38.160]  Because four hours seems excessive,
[29:38.160 --> 29:43.160]  but on the other hand it's not the same as if somebody called and said hey, yesterday.
[29:43.160 --> 29:44.160]  There's a time limit.
[29:44.160 --> 29:45.160]  Okay, yeah, listen.
[29:45.160 --> 29:47.160]  Yeah, we're going to break.
[29:47.160 --> 29:50.160]  Let's call in 512-646-1984.
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[31:46.560 --> 31:54.360]  speaking with Mark in Michigan. Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984. And again,
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[32:09.280 --> 32:13.360]  Okay. We're speaking with Mark from Michigan right now. Okay, Randy, you go ahead. You
[32:13.360 --> 32:16.960]  said that you had some instructions for Mark to follow.
[32:16.960 --> 32:22.600]  Yes. There's another way of thinking about this. Generally, when they, when public officials
[32:22.600 --> 32:28.200]  come after us and file charges against us, we go on the defensive and try to defend ourselves
[32:28.200 --> 32:37.680]  because we are the defendant. Well, the first thing you want to become is the complainant.
[32:37.680 --> 32:43.560]  You want to go on the offensive. I get three tickets in Austin. I go down to the court.
[32:43.560 --> 32:49.000]  You're supposed to go down to go to see a magistrate. I went before the magistrate and
[32:49.000 --> 32:53.720]  handed him three criminal charges against the police officer. Say, you want to play
[32:53.720 --> 33:00.320]  hardball, bubba? I'll show you hardball. You want to fight? I'll give you one.
[33:00.320 --> 33:08.560]  In this case, where you have police officers who came to your house, apparently on a call
[33:08.560 --> 33:15.360]  and then entered your house, if the law is consistent, which I suspect it will be, a
[33:15.360 --> 33:21.200]  policeman could chase you into the house if he observed you committing a crime. But in
[33:21.200 --> 33:28.200]  this case, they observed nothing. So if you were outside in Texas, he could arrest you
[33:28.200 --> 33:34.880]  on an allegation of a felony if he had a witness that directly accused you.
[33:34.880 --> 33:38.920]  Yeah, but somehow I doubt that one of these gang members filed a criminal complaint written
[33:38.920 --> 33:42.240]  statement. They probably just called the cops and they just went over there.
[33:42.240 --> 33:46.760]  Well, they wouldn't have to file a criminal complaint. All they'd have to do is make an
[33:46.760 --> 33:47.760]  accusation.
[33:47.760 --> 33:54.880]  Well, they'd have to sign a statement. At least here in Texas, in order for someone
[33:54.880 --> 33:59.320]  to get arrested, they'd have to sign a statement with the police or file their own criminal
[33:59.320 --> 34:00.320]  complaint.
[34:00.320 --> 34:04.400]  No, all they'd have to do is make the statement to the policeman. If the policeman believed
[34:04.400 --> 34:09.600]  him, then the policeman could act. Now, the policeman, if he doesn't know who he is and
[34:09.600 --> 34:12.400]  he can't get it back, he could be in trouble later.
[34:12.400 --> 34:19.120]  Okay. Well, then something's changed because years ago, I tried to, I had an incident and
[34:19.120 --> 34:27.000]  the police would not go arrest the person until I signed. They said that they could
[34:27.000 --> 34:32.000]  go and talk to the person and investigate, but they would not arrest unless I signed
[34:32.000 --> 34:33.000]  something.
[34:33.000 --> 34:34.000]  They lied.
[34:34.000 --> 34:35.000]  Okay. Well, then they lied.
[34:35.000 --> 34:40.640]  If they couldn't, if they said they couldn't, then they lied. Unless it was a, if what you
[34:40.640 --> 34:42.360]  were alleging was a misdemeanor.
[34:42.360 --> 34:43.360]  No, it wasn't.
[34:43.360 --> 34:48.600]  If it was a felony, they could absolutely arrest the lying and police tend to do that.
[34:48.600 --> 34:53.040]  Well, see, Randy, I don't understand because to me that violates due process because anybody
[34:53.040 --> 34:58.440]  could call up the police and tell them anything and then somebody gets arrested and there's
[34:58.440 --> 35:03.600]  no, you know, there's no signed affidavit by the other person. I thought that's what
[35:03.600 --> 35:07.840]  the fourth amendment was all about. I don't get that.
[35:07.840 --> 35:13.600]  Well, you're a credible person. We, yeah, but it has, but we're talking about arrest
[35:13.600 --> 35:14.600]  here.
[35:14.600 --> 35:18.960]  It's not, it's an imperfect system. We can't make it perfect.
[35:18.960 --> 35:24.120]  Doesn't it say that no person shall be held to account for a capital or otherwise infamous
[35:24.120 --> 35:28.200]  crime except upon presentment or indictment of a grand jury and it has to be backed up
[35:28.200 --> 35:31.040]  by a signed affidavit?
[35:31.040 --> 35:34.480]  Somebody has to sign something, somebody has to, I thought that's what this show is all
[35:34.480 --> 35:41.360]  about is that a signed criminal complaint has to be filed in order for somebody's liberties
[35:41.360 --> 35:43.680]  to be taken away. I thought that's what the law said.
[35:43.680 --> 35:44.680]  No.
[35:44.680 --> 35:46.240]  Okay. Well, then what does it say?
[35:46.240 --> 35:50.160]  It says that if I run out of a convenience store and I tell a cop, a guy in there just
[35:50.160 --> 35:53.400]  shot two people and there he goes running right down the street, the cop can go arrest
[35:53.400 --> 36:00.160]  him. The cop does not have to say, well, dang, I'll have to go down to the magistrate and
[36:00.160 --> 36:07.320]  get myself a warrant. He can go arrest him. He doesn't have to have a signed statement
[36:07.320 --> 36:12.880]  from me. He doesn't have to have anything. He can go arrest him. Now, in some cases,
[36:12.880 --> 36:13.880]  the law-
[36:13.880 --> 36:20.160]  Oh, but in order for him to be held after that though, then they have to take him to
[36:20.160 --> 36:24.680]  the magistrate immediately though and somebody's got to each tell their side of the story.
[36:24.680 --> 36:31.800]  Yes, that was the point of an examining trial. So you take them before the magistrate and
[36:31.800 --> 36:39.760]  the guy will explain his side. Well, I was chasing the guy who did it. Or like the example
[36:39.760 --> 36:43.960]  I used about punching a woman upside the head, you know, they're resting in the jail.
[36:43.960 --> 36:45.760]  And I explained that I had a good reason to do that.
[36:45.760 --> 36:46.760]  Yes, I know.
[36:46.760 --> 36:52.920]  That's what the examining trial was for. But to allow the policeman to make the initial
[36:52.920 --> 36:59.960]  arrest was to keep the real criminal from getting away. And the requirement to take
[36:59.960 --> 37:07.000]  them directly to the nearest magistrate was to ensure that if the policeman was mistaken,
[37:07.000 --> 37:11.920]  that the mistake was found out early and the person was released at their liberty with
[37:11.920 --> 37:15.200]  as little interruption of their liberty as possible.
[37:15.200 --> 37:22.080]  Yes. So in Mark's case, if they had, the police had come, arrested them. And if they had taken
[37:22.080 --> 37:27.640]  Mark directly to a magistrate, then the police would have said, well, we got a phone call
[37:27.640 --> 37:33.760]  that said this guy did something. And if the police either didn't have the witness there
[37:33.760 --> 37:37.520]  at the examining trial or if they didn't have a signed affidavit from that person, then
[37:37.520 --> 37:40.840]  the magistrate would have had to let Mark go at that point. Is that correct?
[37:40.840 --> 37:47.160]  No, he can actually, the magistrate can find probable cause based on hearsay evidence.
[37:47.160 --> 37:54.160]  And in this case, Mark gave it up. He admitted that he fired the weapon.
[37:54.160 --> 37:58.160]  I thought that a magistrate could not find probable cause on hearsay.
[37:58.160 --> 38:03.160]  Yeah, he can. You can't convict on hearsay. But they can-
[38:03.160 --> 38:05.160]  Is this just Texas?
[38:05.160 --> 38:12.560]  Well, all I really can be definitive about is Texas, but generally this sort of thing
[38:12.560 --> 38:16.160]  goes to the nature of the corpus juris.
[38:16.160 --> 38:21.800]  Well, this seems to me like a very fundamental flaw. I mean, this is news to me that a magistrate
[38:21.800 --> 38:26.720]  can make a finding of probable cause based on hearsay. That means even if an arrested
[38:26.720 --> 38:33.120]  person goes directly to a magistrate, if somebody said something about somebody saying something,
[38:33.120 --> 38:37.640]  then the person arrested still gets their liberties taken away and still gets put through
[38:37.640 --> 38:43.160]  the wringer and they may, you know, I don't get it, Randy. That doesn't make any sense.
[38:43.160 --> 38:51.640]  It's what they said in Gerstein Pugh. It goes to objective reasonableness. We need to be
[38:51.640 --> 38:57.280]  reasonable because there are circumstances where it's going to be, where you haven't
[38:57.280 --> 39:03.920]  had time to do an exhaustive examination or exhaustive investigation into the situation.
[39:03.920 --> 39:09.560]  You had to act quickly on this, you know, at the heat of the moment. And if you come
[39:09.560 --> 39:16.760]  to the magistrate and you have what a reasonable person would consider cause to believe the
[39:16.760 --> 39:23.960]  person has committed the crime, then you can either hold him in jail or release him on
[39:23.960 --> 39:30.200]  bail, but you have him bound so that you have opportunity to go before the court and have
[39:30.200 --> 39:31.600]  a proper adjudication.
[39:31.600 --> 39:37.960]  Well, to me, there's no reasonableness in somebody said something that somebody else
[39:37.960 --> 39:42.960]  said to me that other people, and there's like, you know, it's just hearsay that's
[39:42.960 --> 39:49.880]  like second, fourth, fifth hand. And as far as like probable cause, what is the percentage
[39:49.880 --> 39:54.160]  because I'm trying to remember in civil cases, you have preponderance of evidence, which
[39:54.160 --> 40:01.160]  is like 51% probability. Of course, beyond reasonable doubt is 99% probability. Isn't
[40:01.160 --> 40:05.360]  probable cause like above? It's like, how much is it?
[40:05.360 --> 40:06.360]  It's like civil.
[40:06.360 --> 40:11.320]  And so it's 51%. It's preponderance of evidence. Well, to me, if I'm sitting there and I'm
[40:11.320 --> 40:17.400]  a magistrate and the cop said that so-and-so told him that so-and-so said something that
[40:17.400 --> 40:23.200]  said this guy did something, that is not 51% to me. That's more like 10%.
[40:23.200 --> 40:24.200]  That's right.
[40:24.200 --> 40:30.240]  So I could not make a ruling. If I was a magistrate, I could not make a ruling based on, I could
[40:30.240 --> 40:36.040]  not make a probable cause determination based on that because it's only like 10%. It's not
[40:36.040 --> 40:38.680]  51%. So I'd have to let the guy go.
[40:38.680 --> 40:43.760]  Exactly. And that's how it was intended. Say if they brought him before a magistrate and
[40:43.760 --> 40:53.040]  they said, well, we got this call from these individuals that claimed that Mark here discharged
[40:53.040 --> 40:59.680]  a firearm in their direction. And if Mark had said, I don't know what you're talking
[40:59.680 --> 41:07.680]  about, who told you that crap? Now they have a problem. Now they don't have 51%. They've
[41:07.680 --> 41:15.440]  got 50. Well, actually they got about 25% because they didn't see it. They're just going
[41:15.440 --> 41:16.760]  by what somebody else said.
[41:16.760 --> 41:23.080]  And if Mark had refuted that, then there would not have been sufficient evidence to find
[41:23.080 --> 41:30.320]  probable cause that had to say to the officer, well, right now you don't have enough evidence
[41:30.320 --> 41:35.240]  to hold him. You give me some more evidence, we'll talk.
[41:35.240 --> 41:41.240]  Yeah. But in general, you're saying hearsay is enough to make a probable cause determination.
[41:41.240 --> 41:50.640]  I'm just saying from me as a person of reasonable prudence, hearsay is not 51% preponderance
[41:50.640 --> 41:52.520]  of evidence. It's like 10%.
[41:52.520 --> 41:59.560]  I'm talking about how the law looks at it. If you arrest this person, the intent was
[41:59.560 --> 42:04.720]  that he'd be brought before a magistrate. And the police tell his side and that person
[42:04.720 --> 42:11.440]  tell the other side, and then the judge weighs the two. It wasn't intended that they'd be
[42:11.440 --> 42:17.200]  thrown in jail and the judge only hear the policeman's side and never hear the other
[42:17.200 --> 42:21.480]  side and make a probable cause determination based on that because always he's going to
[42:21.480 --> 42:22.480]  have.
[42:22.480 --> 42:27.720]  I know. And what I'm saying is that the examining trial, if I was a magistrate and the cop says,
[42:27.720 --> 42:32.560]  we got a call and so-and-so said something, and the guy who's arrested said, I don't know
[42:32.560 --> 42:38.140]  what you're talking about, then all the magistrate would have to go on is strictly hearsay.
[42:38.140 --> 42:42.000]  And I'm saying that's not a 51% preponderance of evidence.
[42:42.000 --> 42:46.480]  I'm saying it's not either. And that's why we're supposed to have an examining trial.
[42:46.480 --> 42:54.240]  It's not even near 50% because you have one competent fact witness and one hearsay witness.
[42:54.240 --> 43:00.520]  Yes. So really, they can't make a ruling of probable cause on hearsay. They really can't
[43:00.520 --> 43:04.880]  because it's not 51% preponderance of evidence though.
[43:04.880 --> 43:13.160]  They can if there's no one there to refute or if, like in this case, the accused stipulates
[43:13.160 --> 43:18.600]  to what was accused, what he was accused to do it. But he's, but the-
[43:18.600 --> 43:21.400]  Right. But that's a different story. That is not the scenario.
[43:21.400 --> 43:29.200]  Well, this is what happened here, that Mike felt like he had justification.
[43:29.200 --> 43:34.200]  Well, he admitted it. So that's a totally different situation.
[43:34.200 --> 43:37.440]  And that's why we want an examining trial so the judge can hear both sides.
[43:37.440 --> 43:39.560]  Right. Okay. Well, listen, we're going to break.
[43:39.560 --> 43:41.720]  Okay. You guys, I'm going to drop and-
[43:41.720 --> 43:43.680]  Okay. All right. Thanks, Mark.
[43:43.680 --> 43:44.960]  Thanks, Kay.
[43:44.960 --> 43:49.240]  Okay. We'll be right back. This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
[43:49.240 --> 43:52.240]  on ruleoflawradio.com. We'll be right back.
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[45:36.080 --> 45:41.280]  These warmongers come by that term rightly
[45:45.280 --> 45:48.280]  I won't pay for the war with my body
[45:48.280 --> 45:52.280]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money
[45:52.280 --> 45:55.280]  I won't pay for the fun with my body
[45:55.280 --> 45:58.280]  Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy
[45:58.280 --> 46:02.280]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body
[46:02.280 --> 46:05.280]  I won't pay for the boys with my money
[46:05.280 --> 46:09.280]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body
[46:09.280 --> 46:13.280]  Their whole agenda smells funny
[46:13.280 --> 46:18.280]  I wanna fight in a war of my own
[46:19.280 --> 46:25.280]  That one would be less access as well
[46:25.280 --> 46:31.280]  I wanna pay for a war of my own
[46:31.280 --> 46:55.280]  They live in black houses so I can't want a home
[47:01.280 --> 47:04.280]  They do whatever they want if we don't stop them.
[47:04.280 --> 47:08.280]  But if they do things the way they're supposed to, according to law,
[47:08.280 --> 47:11.280]  if the arrested person is brought directly to a magistrate
[47:11.280 --> 47:14.280]  and the arrested person is there and the cop is there
[47:14.280 --> 47:17.280]  and the only evidence that the cop has is hearsay
[47:17.280 --> 47:20.280]  that so-and-so told them that so-and-so said something
[47:20.280 --> 47:23.280]  or that so-and-so called them and said something
[47:23.280 --> 47:26.280]  and the arrested person says, I don't know what you're talking about,
[47:26.280 --> 47:31.280]  legitimately, they cannot make a ruling of probable cause
[47:31.280 --> 47:34.280]  because all there is is hearsay, okay?
[47:34.280 --> 47:37.280]  And hearsay is not 51% preponderance of evidence.
[47:37.280 --> 47:39.280]  So if they do things according to law,
[47:39.280 --> 47:43.280]  they cannot make a ruling of probable cause based on hearsay, period.
[47:43.280 --> 47:46.280]  That's all there is to it if hearsay is the only evidence.
[47:46.280 --> 47:48.280]  But yeah, they do it all the time.
[47:48.280 --> 47:51.280]  They can do whatever they want if we don't stop them
[47:51.280 --> 47:54.280]  and they do all kinds of crazy illegal stuff all the time.
[47:54.280 --> 47:56.280]  We need to clarify that.
[47:56.280 --> 48:00.280]  If they did it the way the law commands that they do it,
[48:00.280 --> 48:03.280]  it would work very well.
[48:03.280 --> 48:06.280]  A policeman goes to a judge and says,
[48:06.280 --> 48:10.280]  Judge, I have this hearsay evidence that this person over here
[48:10.280 --> 48:14.280]  committed this crime and this person over here tells me this, that,
[48:14.280 --> 48:17.280]  and the other and it gives me reason, I believe that person.
[48:17.280 --> 48:20.280]  So it gives me reason to believe that person committed a crime.
[48:20.280 --> 48:22.280]  Well, the other person is not there.
[48:22.280 --> 48:27.280]  And the officer makes a prima facie case so the judge can say,
[48:27.280 --> 48:30.280]  okay, that's sufficient, I'll issue a warrant.
[48:30.280 --> 48:33.280]  But what the warrant is supposed to say,
[48:33.280 --> 48:37.280]  you go arrest that person and you bring him before me.
[48:37.280 --> 48:38.280]  If I'm not available,
[48:38.280 --> 48:41.280]  you bring him before some other magistrate of the county
[48:41.280 --> 48:45.280]  and explain yourself with the other person there.
[48:45.280 --> 48:47.280]  Now they get to tell their side.
[48:47.280 --> 48:50.280]  You make your prima facie case.
[48:50.280 --> 48:55.280]  Now the onus is on them to show evidence that refutes your evidence.
[48:55.280 --> 48:58.280]  And since all you have is hearsay,
[48:58.280 --> 49:03.280]  if the other person says not true, wasn't there, didn't do it,
[49:03.280 --> 49:10.280]  they have to take your word absent proof because he only has hearsay.
[49:10.280 --> 49:11.280]  However...
[49:11.280 --> 49:16.280]  If you have two competent fact witnesses, one says he did this,
[49:16.280 --> 49:18.280]  the other one says no, I didn't do this,
[49:18.280 --> 49:20.280]  that's what the judge is there for.
[49:20.280 --> 49:23.280]  He looks at the two, decides which one he believes.
[49:23.280 --> 49:24.280]  Right.
[49:24.280 --> 49:28.280]  Well, in that case, there could possibly be, you know,
[49:28.280 --> 49:30.280]  preponderance of evidence there.
[49:30.280 --> 49:32.280]  You know, like say, for example, in Mark's case,
[49:32.280 --> 49:37.280]  if the cop had managed to somehow get this person who called him
[49:37.280 --> 49:39.280]  to meet him down at the magistrate
[49:39.280 --> 49:42.280]  or actually got a signed statement from that person,
[49:42.280 --> 49:46.280]  well, then that would be enough for the magistrate to find probable cause.
[49:46.280 --> 49:48.280]  Signed statement's not enough.
[49:48.280 --> 49:49.280]  Oh, it's not?
[49:49.280 --> 49:50.280]  Nope.
[49:50.280 --> 49:52.280]  A criminal complaint would be, though?
[49:52.280 --> 49:53.280]  Nope.
[49:53.280 --> 49:55.280]  Okay, so what is?
[49:55.280 --> 49:56.280]  Competent fact witness.
[49:56.280 --> 49:57.280]  Well, that's what I'm saying.
[49:57.280 --> 50:00.280]  Oh, the competent fact witness has to appear in person.
[50:00.280 --> 50:01.280]  Yes.
[50:01.280 --> 50:02.280]  Okay.
[50:02.280 --> 50:07.280]  The statement is just a statement, it's hearsay,
[50:07.280 --> 50:09.280]  even if it's a verified affidavit.
[50:09.280 --> 50:12.280]  The criminal complaint must be a verified affidavit
[50:12.280 --> 50:15.280]  in order to invoke the jurisdiction of the court.
[50:15.280 --> 50:19.280]  The criminal complaint will almost never be sufficient
[50:19.280 --> 50:21.280]  to find probable cause.
[50:21.280 --> 50:23.280]  There must be an attached statement of probable cause
[50:23.280 --> 50:24.280]  by competent fact witness.
[50:24.280 --> 50:25.280]  Well, that's what I'm saying.
[50:25.280 --> 50:29.280]  The witness himself, like if the cop had gotten the gang member
[50:29.280 --> 50:31.280]  to sign something.
[50:31.280 --> 50:35.280]  A statement by competent fact witness is sufficient to get a warrant,
[50:35.280 --> 50:41.280]  but not to find probable cause in face of the accused denying the statement.
[50:41.280 --> 50:45.280]  Now the accused has the right to face the accuser.
[50:45.280 --> 50:49.280]  I thought the accused only had the right to face the accuser at trial.
[50:49.280 --> 50:52.280]  This is a trial.
[50:52.280 --> 50:54.280]  This is an examining trial.
[50:54.280 --> 50:55.280]  This is the first trial.
[50:55.280 --> 50:57.280]  So you have the right to face your accuser immediately.
[50:57.280 --> 50:58.280]  Yes, you do.
[50:58.280 --> 50:59.280]  Good.
[50:59.280 --> 51:00.280]  That's the way it should be.
[51:00.280 --> 51:02.280]  And that's the way it ought to be.
[51:02.280 --> 51:05.280]  Then the judge gets to listen to the two and test the two.
[51:05.280 --> 51:09.280]  That's why they told the police to take him directly to the magistrate
[51:09.280 --> 51:11.280]  and explain yourself right now.
[51:11.280 --> 51:13.280]  You're the competent fact witness.
[51:13.280 --> 51:15.280]  If you're arrested without a warrant, you take him
[51:15.280 --> 51:17.280]  and they explain why you arrested him without a warrant,
[51:17.280 --> 51:19.280]  and the other guy explains why he shouldn't,
[51:19.280 --> 51:20.280]  and the judge makes the decision.
[51:20.280 --> 51:23.280]  It would eliminate about 80%, 90% of the cases if it did that.
[51:23.280 --> 51:24.280]  Yes, it would.
[51:24.280 --> 51:27.280]  Because most of it would never even go to trial.
[51:27.280 --> 51:32.280]  Well, actually, I don't think it would eliminate that anywhere near that many.
[51:32.280 --> 51:37.280]  What it would eliminate was people being arrested in the first place.
[51:37.280 --> 51:38.280]  That too.
[51:38.280 --> 51:41.280]  Because the policeman is not going to want to go down there.
[51:41.280 --> 51:43.280]  The ones that threw me in jail the other day,
[51:43.280 --> 51:47.280]  if they had taken me directly to the magistrate, never would have happened.
[51:47.280 --> 51:49.280]  Okay, well, Randy, just a quick question,
[51:49.280 --> 51:52.280]  because we never answered Mark's question about the time limit,
[51:52.280 --> 51:54.280]  because he's saying the cops shut up four hours later,
[51:54.280 --> 51:56.280]  and what's the time limit on that sort of thing?
[51:56.280 --> 51:58.280]  Let's answer that, and then we'll go to the rest of our callers.
[51:58.280 --> 52:02.280]  He either has to personally see or hear,
[52:02.280 --> 52:15.280]  or if it's in the case of a felony, he would be able to arrest if Mark was outside.
[52:15.280 --> 52:20.280]  But since Mark was inside, they cannot enter the resident,
[52:20.280 --> 52:25.280]  not even with a warrant to arrest for, if it was arrest for a felony.
[52:25.280 --> 52:30.280]  If he had a warrant for a felony, he could not enter the house.
[52:30.280 --> 52:33.280]  Okay, but that's not the question.
[52:33.280 --> 52:37.280]  The question is, can you call the cops two weeks later on somebody
[52:37.280 --> 52:38.280]  and have them go arrest the person?
[52:38.280 --> 52:40.280]  I think he's talking about a time frame.
[52:40.280 --> 52:41.280]  What is the time limit here?
[52:41.280 --> 52:45.280]  Because he was complaining that the cops showed up four hours later,
[52:45.280 --> 52:48.280]  and what his question was was, well, could somebody call him the next day?
[52:48.280 --> 52:50.280]  Could somebody call six months later?
[52:50.280 --> 52:52.280]  What is the time frame?
[52:52.280 --> 52:56.280]  Six months, two years, whatever the statute of limitations is.
[52:56.280 --> 52:57.280]  Of that particular crime?
[52:57.280 --> 52:58.280]  Yes.
[52:58.280 --> 53:00.280]  Okay, that's what we wanted to know.
[53:00.280 --> 53:04.280]  The thing that the time goes to is arrest without a warrant on misdemeanor.
[53:04.280 --> 53:06.280]  They have to see it.
[53:06.280 --> 53:16.280]  Now, if they had a warrant for a misdemeanor, if it was in Texas,
[53:16.280 --> 53:23.280]  and if he's in his house, they can enter.
[53:23.280 --> 53:27.280]  If he's in someone else's house, they cannot enter.
[53:27.280 --> 53:30.280]  They would have to go get a search warrant to search the house
[53:30.280 --> 53:32.280]  in order to enter to arrest.
[53:32.280 --> 53:36.280]  But in this case, all they had was an accusation.
[53:36.280 --> 53:37.280]  They went to the door.
[53:37.280 --> 53:39.280]  They didn't know who this person was.
[53:39.280 --> 53:40.280]  They didn't know anything.
[53:40.280 --> 53:46.280]  They had no authority to enter the building without a warrant.
[53:46.280 --> 53:49.280]  And then they arrested him without a warrant.
[53:49.280 --> 53:52.280]  It's iffy because they're accusing him of the felony.
[53:52.280 --> 53:53.280]  I don't know what the felony was.
[53:53.280 --> 53:59.280]  It's probably discharging or assault with a dead weapon.
[53:59.280 --> 54:01.280]  It's iffy where they could arrest him or not.
[54:01.280 --> 54:03.280]  But even if they could arrest him,
[54:03.280 --> 54:06.280]  they had to take him directly to the magistrate and explain himself.
[54:06.280 --> 54:10.280]  And the thing that I'm mostly after is take him directly to a magistrate
[54:10.280 --> 54:11.280]  and explain yourself.
[54:11.280 --> 54:14.280]  Right now, it eliminates 90% of the problems.
[54:14.280 --> 54:15.280]  Right, that's what I was saying.
[54:15.280 --> 54:17.280]  I think we beat this horse to death.
[54:17.280 --> 54:20.280]  Okay, let's go on to the callers now.
[54:20.280 --> 54:24.280]  We've got Joe from Texas, and then we're going to go to Eddie.
[54:24.280 --> 54:26.280]  Okay, Joe, thanks for calling in.
[54:26.280 --> 54:29.280]  And callers, thank you for holding so patiently.
[54:29.280 --> 54:31.280]  What's on your mind, Joe?
[54:31.280 --> 54:33.280]  Hi.
[54:33.280 --> 54:41.280]  I'm running for city council, and I'm not doing this to run for city council.
[54:41.280 --> 54:52.280]  I'm doing this to expose the city and part of the city council for taking taxes
[54:52.280 --> 54:55.280]  and using them for other purposes.
[54:55.280 --> 54:57.280]  Other purposes.
[54:57.280 --> 54:58.280]  Mm-hmm.
[54:58.280 --> 55:03.280]  In other words, there was a bond election for a certain entertainment thing
[55:03.280 --> 55:10.280]  to be built, and a person that I'm running against chaired
[55:10.280 --> 55:18.280]  the second time when they voted for that particular entertainment thing.
[55:18.280 --> 55:22.280]  Well, you can go ahead and tell us what it is and who you're running against,
[55:22.280 --> 55:23.280]  if you want.
[55:23.280 --> 55:27.280]  I really don't want to, but I'll tell you with an event center, okay?
[55:27.280 --> 55:28.280]  Okay, that's fine.
[55:28.280 --> 55:32.280]  I was just letting you know that it's okay to name names and places on this show
[55:32.280 --> 55:33.280]  if you want.
[55:33.280 --> 55:34.280]  Go ahead.
[55:34.280 --> 55:37.280]  I don't know who's listening on this show besides you and me
[55:37.280 --> 55:39.280]  and who the rest of the audience is.
[55:39.280 --> 55:41.280]  Hey, everybody's listening.
[55:41.280 --> 55:44.280]  Well, we have close to 200,000 listenership right now
[55:44.280 --> 55:47.280]  because we're on so many radio stations, but go ahead.
[55:47.280 --> 55:49.280]  But I do need to get a regular phone number for Randy
[55:49.280 --> 55:51.280]  because the phone number I got now either,
[55:51.280 --> 55:54.280]  I don't know if he's receiving my phone number and my messages or not,
[55:54.280 --> 55:56.280]  but I need to talk to him about a whole bunch of different things.
[55:56.280 --> 55:59.280]  But my main concern is if I am able to link,
[55:59.280 --> 56:04.280]  and I think I have linked at least one in priority,
[56:04.280 --> 56:06.280]  I just can't prove that it's illegal.
[56:06.280 --> 56:10.280]  I know it for a fact it's unethical,
[56:10.280 --> 56:17.280]  where they're actually using the water usage fees for the...
[56:17.280 --> 56:21.280]  they're taking part of the water usage fees last year.
[56:21.280 --> 56:23.280]  They apparently got smart and stopped it
[56:23.280 --> 56:27.280]  because another person that was running for that same office,
[56:27.280 --> 56:33.280]  I was running for a different seat, exposed them a little bit,
[56:33.280 --> 56:38.280]  and I just basically picked up a lot of the information and went from there on.
[56:38.280 --> 56:42.280]  But they're using that water usage fees to pay for this event center,
[56:42.280 --> 56:47.280]  which the person I'm running against chaired the particular special meeting
[56:47.280 --> 56:52.280]  called the council to make the bond election for the second time around
[56:52.280 --> 56:56.280]  that later on in November the citizens voted for it
[56:56.280 --> 57:00.280]  because they promised that it would be a certain amount,
[57:00.280 --> 57:04.280]  and they promised it would be... well, they didn't 100% promise it would be a certain amount.
[57:04.280 --> 57:06.280]  No opposition.
[57:06.280 --> 57:12.280]  But they said it would be around no more higher, approximately around 30,000,
[57:12.280 --> 57:15.280]  and 30 million, excuse me, not 30,000, but 30 million,
[57:15.280 --> 57:21.280]  and projected was 25.8 million to begin with.
[57:21.280 --> 57:29.280]  And I had raised issue with this particular individual, but let me finish.
[57:29.280 --> 57:32.280]  He said that, and he also said it was going to come out,
[57:32.280 --> 57:37.280]  and I don't know if you're familiar with Research Developmental Corporation,
[57:37.280 --> 57:44.280]  which is a separate tax entity for smaller towns.
[57:44.280 --> 57:47.280]  I think they have to be under 100,000 people.
[57:47.280 --> 57:52.280]  I can't swear to God to verify the law on that, but I used to know what it meant, I mean what size it was.
[57:52.280 --> 57:58.280]  But anyway, Austin can't qualify, but the town I'm in is close to it.
[57:58.280 --> 58:01.280]  But anyway, they do qualify for it.
[58:01.280 --> 58:04.280]  They do have a 4A and a 4B corporation.
[58:04.280 --> 58:05.280]  Wait a minute.
[58:05.280 --> 58:07.280]  I am totally lost here.
[58:07.280 --> 58:09.280]  Yeah, and besides, we're going to break.
[58:09.280 --> 58:10.280]  Hold on.
[58:10.280 --> 58:12.280]  We'll get back to this back after break.
[58:12.280 --> 58:17.280]  But we need to start from the front and move to the back kind of without the side issues,
[58:17.280 --> 58:18.280]  because I'm getting lost.
[58:18.280 --> 58:20.280]  I'm not sure where you're at anymore.
[58:20.280 --> 58:21.280]  Okay.
[58:21.280 --> 58:22.280]  Okay, yeah, just hang on the line.
[58:22.280 --> 58:24.280]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, we've got one more hour.
[58:24.280 --> 58:29.280]  512-646-1984.
[58:29.280 --> 58:33.280]  And Joe, actually, if you could please call back in on a different number
[58:33.280 --> 58:37.280]  or move to a different location because you're kind of cutting out.
[58:37.280 --> 58:38.280]  All right.
[58:38.280 --> 58:43.280]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, ruleoflawradio.com.
[58:43.280 --> 58:55.280]  We'll be right back.
[59:13.280 --> 59:38.280]  All right.
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[01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:48.280]  All right.
[01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:49.280]  We are back.
[01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:52.280]  The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:53.280]  Okay.
[01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.280]  We are talking with Joe in Texas.
[01:02:56.280 --> 01:03:00.280]  And Joe, we're kind of getting lost in some minutiae here.
[01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.280]  What I think I'm understanding that your question is is that you're saying that
[01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:10.280]  the voters approved a bond to pay for a certain thing.
[01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:15.280]  And then after the fact, city council spent the money on something else.
[01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.280]  And what can we do about it?
[01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.280]  Is that correct?
[01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:20.280]  Yes.
[01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:27.280]  Well, I just need to go ahead and show the links where all this is going on.
[01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.280]  I can't totally prove everything at this point.
[01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:35.280]  But I need to go further than that, the person that tried to expose the last time,
[01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:42.280]  the last year that was also running for city council did expose them to some extent.
[01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.280]  And they did something to him and he won't talk to anybody anymore.
[01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:50.280]  He's scared to death or they shut him up pretty good.
[01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:55.280]  And I'm just afraid that they're going to try to do the same to me.
[01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:59.280]  Well, join the club.
[01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.280]  And I need to know if there's any information I need after.
[01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:18.280]  But first I need to know how to exhibit this documentation I have to make sure that it is not only, how should I put it?
[01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:19.280]  Accurate?
[01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:25.280]  Accurate, but also in a sense not just the fact that it's unethical,
[01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:38.280]  but if it isn't illegal that I can present it where it will stay in a format where they can't get to it and try and destroy it.
[01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:40.280]  Wait, destroy it, destroy evidence?
[01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.280]  Destroy the evidence.
[01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:49.280]  Oh, well, I don't know how to advise you because I have no idea what's going on.
[01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.280]  You've been cryptic and I understand why.
[01:04:53.280 --> 01:05:00.280]  But because it's cryptic, I have no way of really understanding what's going on.
[01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:14.280]  But just generally from all I know of politics, once they get the money, they can pretty well do with it whatever they want to.
[01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:20.280]  So if they draw funds from your water usage fees to pay for a center,
[01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:32.280]  because at least some of them know very well that these funds that they were appropriated for a center or whatever it might be are not near enough to pay for that center
[01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:43.280]  because the price tag of what it was supposed to be proposed at was supposed to be 25.8 and now it's 72 million.
[01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.280]  That's always the case.
[01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.280]  However, that's not necessarily criminal.
[01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.280]  Well, Randy, there is something called misappropriation of funds.
[01:05:51.280 --> 01:06:01.280]  I mean, if the voters approve a bond, okay, to be agreed to be taxed to pay for a certain thing,
[01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:06.280]  and then they go and take that money and use it for something else, that is a crime.
[01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:07.280]  Maybe.
[01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:15.280]  It's a crime if there's a stipulation in the bond that the money can only be used for this purpose.
[01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:16.280]  Oh, Jimmy, there is.
[01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.280]  Almost always they leave loopholes.
[01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:29.280]  It must be used for this purpose, except the council can earmark it for other purposes if it's necessary.
[01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:36.280]  Well, at this special meeting it was, I'm not going to say it's totally earmarked for exactly that purpose
[01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:47.280]  because they did put, et cetera, this event center, this ground, this substructure, and et cetera, to that extent.
[01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:51.280]  Well, Joe, in order to really do something about it, first you have to read the text of the bond,
[01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:58.280]  what the voters actually voted on, and a lot of times the wording on the ballots is very vague in general
[01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:03.280]  and they won't tell people everything, so you need to look up the bond.
[01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.280]  The minutes don't count either.
[01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:10.280]  Okay, you have to look up the bond, and then somehow you're going to have to make the connections and prove,
[01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:16.280]  if indeed there were no loopholes like what Randy's saying, then you're going to have to get the evidence
[01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.280]  and make the connections that they did use the money for something else and prove it,
[01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.280]  and prove that they were not allowed to.
[01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:29.280]  Well, I have the agreement between the construction company and the city of that city.
[01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:30.280]  I have that.
[01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.280]  That's not enough.
[01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:39.280]  You have to show that they took the money that was supposed to be used for something else
[01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:41.280]  to pay the construction company.
[01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:45.280]  Yeah, the agreement between the taxpayer and the city.
[01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:52.280]  If the funds were designated for a specific purpose and they used it for another purpose
[01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:56.280]  and they have no legal authority to do that, then you can go ask after them for misappropriation of funds.
[01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.280]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.280]  It sounds like you're going to have to get some more evidence.
[01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:02.280]  Okay.
[01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:06.280]  Because even like, you know, and a lot of times all this stuff goes through a general fund,
[01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:11.280]  and so everything gets washed, and so it's kind of hard to prove.
[01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:20.280]  The wording says at least at the minutes of the proposed bond to be proposed from,
[01:08:20.280 --> 01:08:28.280]  it was back in August, and then the proposal for the people to vote on it in November the 7th,
[01:08:28.280 --> 01:08:32.280]  it says it had to come from the 4A Corporation.
[01:08:32.280 --> 01:08:34.280]  It didn't say anything about general obligation bonds.
[01:08:34.280 --> 01:08:38.280]  It didn't say anything about water usage fees or anything else.
[01:08:38.280 --> 01:08:43.280]  It had to come, the source of tax revenue had to come from 4A.
[01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:48.280]  If that's definitive, then charge them with misappropriation of funds.
[01:08:48.280 --> 01:08:55.280]  Yeah, but you're going to have to show that the check to the construction company came from that fund.
[01:08:55.280 --> 01:08:56.280]  That's going to be hard to prove.
[01:08:56.280 --> 01:08:58.280]  That's what I'm trying to say.
[01:08:58.280 --> 01:09:02.280]  You've got to make that chain of connection there to show that, you know,
[01:09:02.280 --> 01:09:11.280]  if the approved bonding taxes go into a specific fund, like you're saying it goes into 4A and not the general fund,
[01:09:11.280 --> 01:09:16.280]  just because the city cut a check or just because you know the city paid the construction company,
[01:09:16.280 --> 01:09:21.280]  you've got to show that they paid the construction company from that 4A fund.
[01:09:21.280 --> 01:09:23.280]  That's the link you have to make.
[01:09:23.280 --> 01:09:25.280]  And these are financial records.
[01:09:25.280 --> 01:09:27.280]  These are records you can get.
[01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:28.280]  Absolutely.
[01:09:28.280 --> 01:09:32.280]  You have the right to get those records under open records.
[01:09:32.280 --> 01:09:37.280]  The one thing I would suggest is learn to be artfully vague.
[01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:38.280]  Absolutely.
[01:09:38.280 --> 01:09:42.280]  Don't go in there and ask for specifically what you want.
[01:09:42.280 --> 01:09:44.280]  Well, there's a problem with that also.
[01:09:44.280 --> 01:09:51.280]  If you're too vague, then they want to charge you for, you know, 5,000 pages because you're not being too specific.
[01:09:51.280 --> 01:09:52.280]  No, no, no.
[01:09:52.280 --> 01:09:54.280]  You don't ask for copies.
[01:09:54.280 --> 01:09:58.280]  No, you go in there and ask to look at the originals.
[01:09:58.280 --> 01:10:05.280]  They won't let you leave with the originals, but you go in there and ask to look at the originals.
[01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:13.280]  Like ask for all the financial records of the 4A account and the general fund account and like three other accounts
[01:10:13.280 --> 01:10:18.280]  and like pretend like you're looking at the records of these other accounts and then you look at what you really want,
[01:10:18.280 --> 01:10:20.280]  and then they don't know what you're after.
[01:10:20.280 --> 01:10:28.280]  I have in front of me a stack of documents from the Department of Public Safety that were sent to me
[01:10:28.280 --> 01:10:36.280]  in response to a bunch of information requests that I sent to them and didn't charge me a dime.
[01:10:36.280 --> 01:10:46.280]  My information request specifically stated that this request shall not be construed as a request for copies.
[01:10:46.280 --> 01:10:54.280]  This request shall be construed as a request to examine original documents.
[01:10:54.280 --> 01:11:01.280]  So they look at the request and they think, this jerk wants to come down here and rummage through all our records.
[01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:03.280]  And that's exactly right.
[01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:05.280]  So they sent them to me for nothing.
[01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:07.280]  Oh, so you just got them with a, yes.
[01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:11.280]  But I really do like to go down there and rummage through their records.
[01:11:11.280 --> 01:11:17.280]  But like I said, ask for more things, additional things, other than what you're looking for.
[01:11:17.280 --> 01:11:23.280]  Like don't ask for, you know, I want to see the, you know, the check that was sent.
[01:11:23.280 --> 01:11:25.280]  I want to see the canceled check that was sent to this company.
[01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:31.280]  You know, you asked to look for the records in that general timeframe of maybe several different accounts.
[01:11:31.280 --> 01:11:32.280]  Okay.
[01:11:32.280 --> 01:11:34.280]  We need to see how many calls we've got.
[01:11:34.280 --> 01:11:36.280]  We have a few other calls.
[01:11:36.280 --> 01:11:37.280]  We should move on.
[01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:38.280]  Let me spend.
[01:11:38.280 --> 01:11:39.280]  Don't overwork and reach you, okay?
[01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:41.280]  Okay.
[01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:46.280]  Send me an email, subject line in all caps.
[01:11:46.280 --> 01:11:50.280]  I'll send you, you probably have the only number I have.
[01:11:50.280 --> 01:11:51.280]  What's your email?
[01:11:51.280 --> 01:11:56.280]  It's randy at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:11:56.280 --> 01:11:57.280]  At ruleoflaw.com?
[01:11:57.280 --> 01:11:59.280]  Ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:11:59.280 --> 01:12:02.280]  You can go to the website.
[01:12:02.280 --> 01:12:03.280]  Okay.
[01:12:03.280 --> 01:12:07.280]  Let's talk for a minute about open records.
[01:12:07.280 --> 01:12:11.280]  For me, open records is an art form.
[01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:14.280]  I use open records as a tool.
[01:12:14.280 --> 01:12:22.280]  I really like to request records and then go down and rummage through their records while they're there.
[01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:27.280]  My favorite one was at the Sheriff's Department in Wise County.
[01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:35.280]  I had information that a deputy was taking some prisoners out to help them work on a building
[01:12:35.280 --> 01:12:43.280]  that he was contracting, that he was getting the contract fees on, and he used inmates to do the work.
[01:12:43.280 --> 01:12:46.280]  So I was seeking out this information.
[01:12:46.280 --> 01:12:51.280]  Well, I asked for a lot more information than what I was looking for.
[01:12:51.280 --> 01:12:58.280]  And they knew I was after somebody, but they didn't know who because of the amount of information I asked for.
[01:12:58.280 --> 01:13:07.280]  And I went in and they brought a stack of papers about a foot and a half tall and set it down on the desk.
[01:13:07.280 --> 01:13:12.280]  And this female deputy stood there with her arms crossed.
[01:13:12.280 --> 01:13:16.280]  And I looked up at her and I said, can I help you?
[01:13:16.280 --> 01:13:22.280]  She said, I need to make sure nothing happens to these records.
[01:13:22.280 --> 01:13:26.280]  No, ma'am, what you need to do is get out of here.
[01:13:26.280 --> 01:13:30.280]  No, no, no, I need to make sure nothing happens to these records.
[01:13:30.280 --> 01:13:36.280]  I said, no, you need to have no idea what I'm looking for.
[01:13:36.280 --> 01:13:46.280]  Because if you have any idea what I'm looking for and then some of the records I'm looking for disappear,
[01:13:46.280 --> 01:13:50.280]  I'm going to want you to explain yourself to a grand jury.
[01:13:50.280 --> 01:13:53.280]  Are you sure you want to stand there?
[01:13:53.280 --> 01:13:56.280]  Just a moment, let me talk to my boss.
[01:13:56.280 --> 01:14:03.280]  And she went across the hall and came back and said, I'll be right out here in the hall if you need me.
[01:14:03.280 --> 01:14:04.280]  Yeah, that's what I thought.
[01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:07.280]  So I found exactly what I was looking for.
[01:14:07.280 --> 01:14:08.280]  And I told him I need some copies.
[01:14:08.280 --> 01:14:10.280]  She said, well, give me the paperwork, I'll make the copies.
[01:14:10.280 --> 01:14:13.280]  No, ma'am, I need a copy machine.
[01:14:13.280 --> 01:14:16.280]  I will make the copies.
[01:14:16.280 --> 01:14:20.280]  So they set me up with a copy machine.
[01:14:20.280 --> 01:14:27.280]  They take me back into jail into a holding cell that I'd actually spent some time in.
[01:14:27.280 --> 01:14:33.280]  And they'd put this copy machine over in the corner of the holding cell.
[01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:42.280]  And I'm wondering, why in the heck would they move this copier out of their offices all the way back here into this holding cell?
[01:14:42.280 --> 01:14:47.280]  And I'm standing there looking around and I look up and there's a video camera right over me.
[01:14:47.280 --> 01:14:51.280]  So I look up at the camera and I wave at it.
[01:14:51.280 --> 01:14:59.280]  I take off my suit jacket, reach up, hang it over the camera, and you can hear the guards back there just cackling.
[01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:01.280]  They thought this was hilarious.
[01:15:01.280 --> 01:15:02.280]  Well, yeah.
[01:15:02.280 --> 01:15:11.280]  And also, if you had made the copies at the office copier, then, like, you wouldn't have been able to take, like, stacks of hundreds of files in there.
[01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:14.280]  I mean, they would have obviously seen what you were copying anyway.
[01:15:14.280 --> 01:15:17.280]  So they needed to move the copier into the jail cell anyways.
[01:15:17.280 --> 01:15:19.280]  Well, they wanted to see.
[01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:20.280]  They wanted to get it under the video camera.
[01:15:20.280 --> 01:15:21.280]  Well, yeah, that too.
[01:15:21.280 --> 01:15:22.280]  They were pretending.
[01:15:22.280 --> 01:15:28.280]  They were pretending to give you privacy by doing that instead of saying, oh, just bring the files in here and copy.
[01:15:28.280 --> 01:15:30.280]  Oh, see, yes, sir, we're accommodating you.
[01:15:30.280 --> 01:15:32.280]  We're going to give you your own copier and privacy.
[01:15:32.280 --> 01:15:35.280]  Yeah, so they were pretending to accommodate you and then the video camera.
[01:15:35.280 --> 01:15:44.280]  So the thing about this is, is I use searching through their records to make them crazy.
[01:15:44.280 --> 01:15:52.280]  If they don't know what you're looking for, they will almost always imagine something worse than what you're actually looking for.
[01:15:52.280 --> 01:15:53.280]  Yeah.
[01:15:53.280 --> 01:16:01.280]  And a lot of times, depending on what it is, I will ask for information that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm looking for.
[01:16:01.280 --> 01:16:08.280]  And when I get it, I go through it and I ask all kind of questions about it like it's a really big deal.
[01:16:08.280 --> 01:16:15.280]  So I will go away and they're scratching their head and say, thinking, what is he after?
[01:16:15.280 --> 01:16:17.280]  I want them to have no clue.
[01:16:17.280 --> 01:16:21.280]  That's why they accommodated me so well.
[01:16:21.280 --> 01:16:22.280]  They don't know who I'm after.
[01:16:22.280 --> 01:16:23.280]  They don't know.
[01:16:23.280 --> 01:16:29.280]  Well, plus they're thinking about all the skeletons that are in the closet, too, and which one are you after and are you after the big one?
[01:16:29.280 --> 01:16:30.280]  Exactly.
[01:16:30.280 --> 01:16:32.280]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:32.280 --> 01:16:33.280]  We're going to break.
[01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:34.280]  When we come back, we'll move along.
[01:16:34.280 --> 01:16:35.280]  We'll move along.
[01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:40.280]  And when we come back, Eddie, I know you were supposed to be next, but I want to take this other caller first.
[01:16:40.280 --> 01:16:42.280]  This is CJ in Minnesota.
[01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:47.280]  He's actually the broadcaster, 1710 AM, Liberty 1710 in Minneapolis.
[01:16:47.280 --> 01:16:50.280]  So we're going to talk to our new affiliate when we get right back.
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[01:18:39.280 --> 01:19:06.280]  Okay, we are back.
[01:19:06.280 --> 01:19:09.280]  And Eddie, just sit tight. You are next.
[01:19:09.280 --> 01:19:15.280]  Okay, but I want to preempt your call even though you've been waiting forever because we've got CJ from Minnesota.
[01:19:15.280 --> 01:19:19.280]  He's our newest affiliate, 1710AM.
[01:19:19.280 --> 01:19:21.280]  Thank you, CJ, for broadcasting us.
[01:19:21.280 --> 01:19:22.280]  Welcome to the show.
[01:19:22.280 --> 01:19:24.280]  Yeah, thanks for having me.
[01:19:24.280 --> 01:19:27.280]  Awesome. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:35.280]  Well, I'm just so excited to be able to air this in the Minnesota area, especially in the Maple Grove, Minneapolis area.
[01:19:35.280 --> 01:19:41.280]  I think it's very crucial that people actually get the law out there, the truth,
[01:19:41.280 --> 01:19:47.280]  and can know how to fight some of these, you know, criminal things that are happening in our area.
[01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:50.280]  I think it's especially critical for Minnesota.
[01:19:50.280 --> 01:20:00.280]  I used to say that of all the states, you know, everybody tells me, oh, most states are most corrupt in the country.
[01:20:00.280 --> 01:20:03.280]  I used to think Florida was, but now I think Minnesota.
[01:20:03.280 --> 01:20:06.280]  They're running neck and neck, that's for sure.
[01:20:06.280 --> 01:20:08.280]  From what I hear in Minnesota, it's kind of scary.
[01:20:08.280 --> 01:20:12.280]  Yeah, the judge is really, especially Gale, poor Gale.
[01:20:12.280 --> 01:20:15.280]  Yeah, it's getting crazy around here.
[01:20:15.280 --> 01:20:26.280]  Like, they're just, you know, they're demanding, you know, blood tests that, you know, when you get pulled over for drinking and driving.
[01:20:26.280 --> 01:20:28.280]  Are they doing that in Minnesota?
[01:20:28.280 --> 01:20:29.280]  Oh, yeah.
[01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:33.280]  They'll come back to the, they'll pull you back to the police station and they'll ask you to, you know,
[01:20:33.280 --> 01:20:38.280]  it's not that I've ever had it happen to me, but I know people that have.
[01:20:38.280 --> 01:20:47.280]  And they'll take urine and blood tests from you just to see how drunk or whatever you are, you know.
[01:20:47.280 --> 01:20:52.280]  Well, CJ, they probably have licensed healthcare practitioners like a phlebotomist
[01:20:52.280 --> 01:20:55.280]  or with a higher certification to take the blood.
[01:20:55.280 --> 01:20:59.280]  Here in Austin, they're trying to just like give the cops like a few hours of training
[01:20:59.280 --> 01:21:04.280]  and have the cops do it on the side of the road, and that's totally against state law here.
[01:21:04.280 --> 01:21:12.280]  You know, I've never seen a licensed practitioner in a local jail around here, police department around here.
[01:21:12.280 --> 01:21:15.280]  Do they have nurses?
[01:21:15.280 --> 01:21:20.280]  Not at the jails themselves, at the counties they do.
[01:21:20.280 --> 01:21:28.280]  So I just, you know, back in the day, you know, I've been through the system with driving
[01:21:28.280 --> 01:21:35.280]  and myself, you know, how they can tag you up for just several things, you know.
[01:21:35.280 --> 01:21:44.280]  Like just the other day, I got a ticket for parking my car cockeyed in a parking spot
[01:21:44.280 --> 01:21:55.280]  in the back end of a parking lot here in Maple Grove, and the police came over and gave me a ticket for it.
[01:21:55.280 --> 01:22:01.280]  Well, two days later, I see the police officer sitting in just about the exact same position cockeyed.
[01:22:01.280 --> 01:22:04.280]  Well, wait a minute, CJ, was this on private property?
[01:22:04.280 --> 01:22:05.280]  Yes.
[01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:10.280]  How can the cops give you a parking ticket when you're parked on private property?
[01:22:10.280 --> 01:22:11.280]  That doesn't make any sense.
[01:22:11.280 --> 01:22:13.280]  That's my question too, you know.
[01:22:13.280 --> 01:22:14.280]  So here I am.
[01:22:14.280 --> 01:22:22.280]  I have to pay a $45 ticket for parking on Best Buy's property in their parking lot.
[01:22:22.280 --> 01:22:28.280]  And like I said, two days later, I see the police officer.
[01:22:28.280 --> 01:22:32.280]  I don't know if it was the exact officer or not, but he was totally cockeyed.
[01:22:32.280 --> 01:22:35.280]  So I took a picture of it from my cell phone.
[01:22:35.280 --> 01:22:39.280]  And I'm wondering what, you know, what can we do with that?
[01:22:39.280 --> 01:22:45.280]  Okay, wait a minute, is there a parking cockeyed statute in Minnesota?
[01:22:45.280 --> 01:22:49.280]  I guess there is in Hennepin County.
[01:22:49.280 --> 01:22:52.280]  Now this is not a public building, right?
[01:22:52.280 --> 01:22:56.280]  This wasn't like a city building with the parking lot associated with the city building, right?
[01:22:56.280 --> 01:22:59.280]  No, this was Best Buy's parking lot.
[01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:00.280]  Best Buy?
[01:23:00.280 --> 01:23:02.280]  It doesn't matter if it's a city building.
[01:23:02.280 --> 01:23:12.280]  Does your transportation code apply to the thoroughfare, streets and thoroughfare?
[01:23:12.280 --> 01:23:14.280]  See, that I don't know.
[01:23:14.280 --> 01:23:16.280]  See, that's in Texas.
[01:23:16.280 --> 01:23:25.280]  I was reading one case that happened to be a Whole Foods store that I had just left two hours before.
[01:23:25.280 --> 01:23:30.280]  And I'm reading a case about a guy gets a DUI and he gets it thrown out
[01:23:30.280 --> 01:23:34.280]  because the policeman stopped him from running the stop sign.
[01:23:34.280 --> 01:23:40.280]  The stop sign was at the exit from the parking lot.
[01:23:40.280 --> 01:23:47.280]  And what the court said was the stop sign zone was not on a street or thoroughfare,
[01:23:47.280 --> 01:23:51.280]  and the transportation code only applies to the streets and thoroughfares.
[01:23:51.280 --> 01:23:55.280]  Yeah, how can the transportation code apply to private property?
[01:23:55.280 --> 01:24:02.280]  Now, there are some city statutes that apply to parking lots like handicapped zones.
[01:24:02.280 --> 01:24:06.280]  So I'm wondering, okay, understand this.
[01:24:06.280 --> 01:24:10.280]  Policemen will write you for any crapola they want to.
[01:24:10.280 --> 01:24:11.280]  Right.
[01:24:11.280 --> 01:24:17.280]  And if you assume because they wrote the ticket it's somehow a crime, then you're a sucker.
[01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:24.280]  I'm going to tell you, a ticket is, especially a parking ticket, that's free legal education.
[01:24:24.280 --> 01:24:29.280]  You get to go down there and just have a great time with these guys.
[01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:33.280]  Yeah, look up what the statutes say or the city ordinances for parking violations.
[01:24:33.280 --> 01:24:36.280]  Well, they give me a parking ticket.
[01:24:36.280 --> 01:24:40.280]  Yippee, we're going to have ourselves a fight.
[01:24:40.280 --> 01:24:51.280]  Well, I actually did look it up, and it does clearly state that your car is only entitled for one parking space.
[01:24:51.280 --> 01:24:55.280]  Were you crossing the yellow line?
[01:24:55.280 --> 01:24:56.280]  Yeah.
[01:24:56.280 --> 01:24:57.280]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:24:57.280 --> 01:24:59.280]  But the point is it was on private property.
[01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:06.280]  When I'm saying about looking up the parking ordinance, not necessarily specifically about how you park,
[01:25:06.280 --> 01:25:12.280]  but does the parking ordinance apply to private property?
[01:25:12.280 --> 01:25:14.280]  That's the real question.
[01:25:14.280 --> 01:25:25.280]  When I went in to fight this, they said that Best Buy doesn't have, that they rent the property,
[01:25:25.280 --> 01:25:33.280]  but I would think that they'd rent that property from the sole owner of the building that they're renting the property from.
[01:25:33.280 --> 01:25:34.280]  It's still private property.
[01:25:34.280 --> 01:25:36.280]  It's not a public thoroughfare.
[01:25:36.280 --> 01:25:41.280]  If they rented the property from the city, it would make no difference.
[01:25:41.280 --> 01:25:48.280]  Okay, you've got this something that says you can only take up one parking space.
[01:25:48.280 --> 01:25:52.280]  Is that a statute, a rule, an ordinance?
[01:25:52.280 --> 01:25:54.280]  What is it?
[01:25:54.280 --> 01:25:56.280]  They do have it as a statute.
[01:25:56.280 --> 01:25:57.280]  Okay.
[01:25:57.280 --> 01:26:01.280]  If it was a rule, that doesn't make it law.
[01:26:01.280 --> 01:26:07.280]  Does the statute designate that as a criminal act?
[01:26:07.280 --> 01:26:09.280]  You know, that I don't know.
[01:26:09.280 --> 01:26:11.280]  I'd like to take into that a little further.
[01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:17.280]  You know, I just had a circumstance where I was in the Secretary of State's building and had a little,
[01:26:17.280 --> 01:26:27.280]  I called the police and they got real excited about it, and demanded my ID, and I gave him a Texas ID.
[01:26:27.280 --> 01:26:32.280]  And it took him a while to realize it was a Texas ID because it looks exactly like a Texas driver's license,
[01:26:32.280 --> 01:26:36.280]  except it has ID on it instead of DL.
[01:26:36.280 --> 01:26:37.280]  Right.
[01:26:37.280 --> 01:26:40.280]  Well, Mr. Kelton, this is a Texas ID.
[01:26:40.280 --> 01:26:41.280]  Do you have a driver's license?
[01:26:41.280 --> 01:26:42.280]  Yes, I do.
[01:26:42.280 --> 01:26:43.280]  He said, I want to see it.
[01:26:43.280 --> 01:26:44.280]  Nope.
[01:26:44.280 --> 01:26:47.280]  Mr. Kelton, I want to see your driver's license.
[01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:52.280]  I said, well, you know, wanting this hand, you know what to do with the other.
[01:26:52.280 --> 01:26:55.280]  Mr. Kelton, I want to see your driver's license.
[01:26:55.280 --> 01:27:01.280]  I said, if I don't give you my driver's license, are you going to arrest me?
[01:27:01.280 --> 01:27:04.280]  He knew where I was standing.
[01:27:04.280 --> 01:27:08.280]  It's a requirement when you get a driver's license that you produce it on demand.
[01:27:08.280 --> 01:27:11.280]  It's a requirement.
[01:27:11.280 --> 01:27:15.280]  But it's not designated a criminal act if you don't.
[01:27:15.280 --> 01:27:24.280]  But because it is a legal requirement, if an officer sees you driving a vehicle and then requests your driver's license
[01:27:24.280 --> 01:27:30.280]  and you don't produce it, that gives him reasonable probable cause to believe you don't have one.
[01:27:30.280 --> 01:27:36.280]  Since you're required by law to do it and you would be violating a legal requirement by not producing it,
[01:27:36.280 --> 01:27:39.280]  that gives him cause to believe you don't have it.
[01:27:39.280 --> 01:27:40.280]  Right.
[01:27:40.280 --> 01:27:41.280]  But it's only a rule.
[01:27:41.280 --> 01:27:43.280]  And it only gives him a probable cause.
[01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:45.280]  He didn't see me driving.
[01:27:45.280 --> 01:27:48.280]  So I'm saying, screw you.
[01:27:48.280 --> 01:27:50.280]  I'm not giving it to you.
[01:27:50.280 --> 01:27:54.280]  And that's the point I'm making about this statute.
[01:27:54.280 --> 01:28:07.280]  If it's a statute and it makes a requirement, it must also designate a violation of that statute as a criminal act
[01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:12.280]  and don't see how they can get their own private property.
[01:28:12.280 --> 01:28:15.280]  That just doesn't make any sense at all.
[01:28:15.280 --> 01:28:25.280]  And they tagged me left and right and we have – well, first of all, I have Chrysler 300 that has an excellent paint job on it.
[01:28:25.280 --> 01:28:29.280]  I spent $26,000 on a custom airbrush paint job on it.
[01:28:29.280 --> 01:28:38.280]  So for me to go and park in the general parking area is kind of foolish because as well as I do,
[01:28:38.280 --> 01:28:42.280]  any people opening their car door might nick the side of your door or whatever.
[01:28:42.280 --> 01:28:48.280]  And then it would cost me about $4,000 to have the side of the whole car repainted.
[01:28:48.280 --> 01:28:53.280]  And so I figured, okay, I'm not going to park where everybody else is parking.
[01:28:53.280 --> 01:28:57.280]  I'm going to go into the back of the lot where it's completely empty.
[01:28:57.280 --> 01:28:59.280]  Nobody parks there.
[01:28:59.280 --> 01:29:03.280]  You know, it's a good distance away from the door.
[01:29:03.280 --> 01:29:06.280]  There wasn't one car singled around me at all.
[01:29:06.280 --> 01:29:12.280]  And they actually followed me into the parking lot.
[01:29:12.280 --> 01:29:15.280]  Oh, yeah.
[01:29:15.280 --> 01:29:17.280]  They were profiling you from the beginning.
[01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:18.280]  Oh, yeah.
[01:29:18.280 --> 01:29:19.280]  I mean, completely.
[01:29:19.280 --> 01:29:22.280]  So what I did is I had my daughter.
[01:29:22.280 --> 01:29:26.280]  I have full custody of my 14-year-old daughter.
[01:29:26.280 --> 01:29:28.280]  And I've had her for about nine years.
[01:29:28.280 --> 01:29:32.280]  And I've already went through the profile thing just to get custody.
[01:29:32.280 --> 01:29:38.280]  So my daughter's going, you know, Dad, why are the police following us?
[01:29:38.280 --> 01:29:41.280]  And I'm like, I can't answer that.
[01:29:41.280 --> 01:29:42.280]  I don't know.
[01:29:42.280 --> 01:29:43.280]  I don't know why.
[01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:44.280]  And they do it.
[01:29:44.280 --> 01:29:47.280]  At the time, they were doing it quite often.
[01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:50.280]  You know, and they would try to box me in and corner me.
[01:29:50.280 --> 01:29:55.280]  And we would, I just purple jerk and beat them out, you know.
[01:29:55.280 --> 01:30:00.280]  If a policeman, if I think a policeman's following me,
[01:30:00.280 --> 01:30:04.280]  I'm going to stop and go back there and ask him what he wants.
[01:30:04.280 --> 01:30:05.280]  Right.
[01:30:05.280 --> 01:30:09.280]  Then you've got a situation where he didn't stop you, you stopped him.
[01:30:09.280 --> 01:30:15.280]  But if you want them to leave you alone, you just take them on.
[01:30:15.280 --> 01:30:16.280]  I did.
[01:30:16.280 --> 01:30:19.280]  I went right down to the police station in Maple Grove here.
[01:30:19.280 --> 01:30:24.280]  And I demanded to speak to the captain of the police department.
[01:30:24.280 --> 01:30:27.280]  He would not come out and speak directly to me.
[01:30:27.280 --> 01:30:30.280]  Wait, wait, wait, no, that's not what I had in mind.
[01:30:30.280 --> 01:30:34.280]  Never talk to the police about the police.
[01:30:34.280 --> 01:30:35.280]  It worked.
[01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:38.280]  Talk to the prosecutor about the police.
[01:30:38.280 --> 01:30:39.280]  Oh, yeah.
[01:30:39.280 --> 01:30:41.280]  And he'll go talk to the police and say,
[01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:46.280]  why is this guy down here trying to get me to arrest you?
[01:30:46.280 --> 01:30:49.280]  And the chief is going to be real unhappy about that.
[01:30:49.280 --> 01:30:52.280]  And he's going to go to his officers and say,
[01:30:52.280 --> 01:30:57.280]  why am I having to explain to the district attorney why a citizen's down
[01:30:57.280 --> 01:31:01.280]  there trying to get me arrested for something you did?
[01:31:01.280 --> 01:31:03.280]  Yeah, excellent strategy.
[01:31:03.280 --> 01:31:05.280]  You'll stop getting tickets.
[01:31:05.280 --> 01:31:09.280]  I was stopped in Williamson County and here in Austin area,
[01:31:09.280 --> 01:31:11.280]  it's known as the most corrupt around.
[01:31:11.280 --> 01:31:14.280]  I was weaving all over the place, hooking up my cell phone.
[01:31:14.280 --> 01:31:17.280]  And this guy stopped me, said, you changed lanes a number of times
[01:31:17.280 --> 01:31:19.280]  because you didn't use your blinker.
[01:31:19.280 --> 01:31:21.280]  Yeah, I was fixing my cell phone.
[01:31:21.280 --> 01:31:22.280]  I should have pulled over.
[01:31:22.280 --> 01:31:24.280]  You're right.
[01:31:24.280 --> 01:31:26.280]  He goes back, and this is the worst county around.
[01:31:26.280 --> 01:31:29.280]  He comes back and he says, well, I'm going to give you a warning,
[01:31:29.280 --> 01:31:30.280]  but be more careful.
[01:31:30.280 --> 01:31:32.280]  Yeah, because of everything that's happened, that's why.
[01:31:32.280 --> 01:31:36.280]  He ran my name and they said, don't you even give that jerk no ticket.
[01:31:36.280 --> 01:31:38.280]  Well, C.J., what did you do?
[01:31:38.280 --> 01:31:40.280]  You said that it worked when you went and talked to the captain.
[01:31:40.280 --> 01:31:41.280]  What happened?
[01:31:41.280 --> 01:31:44.280]  Well, what I did is I went down there and I said, okay,
[01:31:44.280 --> 01:31:47.280]  what is your guy's problem, you know?
[01:31:47.280 --> 01:31:50.280]  And the captain wouldn't come out of the police department,
[01:31:50.280 --> 01:31:51.280]  so he sent the lieutenant.
[01:31:51.280 --> 01:31:54.280]  The lieutenant comes out with about two other officers,
[01:31:54.280 --> 01:31:59.280]  and I parked my car crooked in the parking spot, just on purpose.
[01:31:59.280 --> 01:32:05.280]  So I come out, my car is parked crooked, beautiful paint job,
[01:32:05.280 --> 01:32:10.280]  and I said, okay, guys, look at my car.
[01:32:10.280 --> 01:32:14.280]  Before I started the radio broadcast,
[01:32:14.280 --> 01:32:18.280]  and I own a painting company here in the Minneapolis area,
[01:32:18.280 --> 01:32:21.280]  and I'm fully decked out in painting clothes,
[01:32:21.280 --> 01:32:25.280]  so you know I'm just a regular old Joe that gets up in the morning
[01:32:25.280 --> 01:32:29.280]  and goes to work hard every day, and I'm living the American dream.
[01:32:29.280 --> 01:32:34.280]  And since I'm living the American dream, they want to profile me as,
[01:32:34.280 --> 01:32:35.280]  oh, my gosh, look at this car.
[01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:37.280]  This guy must be a drug dealer or something.
[01:32:37.280 --> 01:32:38.280]  Let's follow him around.
[01:32:38.280 --> 01:32:40.280]  Let's see what's going on.
[01:32:40.280 --> 01:32:42.280]  Let's do this, let's do that.
[01:32:42.280 --> 01:32:43.280]  So I said, okay.
[01:32:43.280 --> 01:32:45.280]  So me and my daughter, I said, let's go.
[01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:47.280]  I'm tired of being followed around this town.
[01:32:47.280 --> 01:32:51.280]  I'm going out trying to spend my hard-earned money in our economy,
[01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:57.280]  in our local economy, to help out the recession that we're in.
[01:32:57.280 --> 01:33:02.280]  And Maria is always asking me, Dad, the police are following us again.
[01:33:02.280 --> 01:33:03.280]  What's going on?
[01:33:03.280 --> 01:33:04.280]  I said, I don't have the answers.
[01:33:04.280 --> 01:33:07.280]  So I went down there and I told the guys to come out, and I said,
[01:33:07.280 --> 01:33:10.280]  okay, here is my 14-year-old daughter.
[01:33:10.280 --> 01:33:14.280]  She's asking me why you guys are following me.
[01:33:14.280 --> 01:33:17.280]  Can you answer that question for her?
[01:33:17.280 --> 01:33:19.280]  Nice work.
[01:33:19.280 --> 01:33:20.280]  I can't answer the question.
[01:33:20.280 --> 01:33:24.280]  You need to answer this question for my daughter because she is getting the
[01:33:24.280 --> 01:33:26.280]  wrong impression of police officers.
[01:33:26.280 --> 01:33:32.280]  You are here to protect and serve, not to protect and harass or to do this.
[01:33:32.280 --> 01:33:38.280]  And I'm being harassed, and my tax dollars are being spent on two different
[01:33:38.280 --> 01:33:43.280]  squad cars with two officers in them that I'm paying to follow me around
[01:33:43.280 --> 01:33:46.280]  while I'm trying to spend money in our economy.
[01:33:46.280 --> 01:33:48.280]  And I'm sick of it.
[01:33:48.280 --> 01:33:50.280]  And I said, I'm standing up right now.
[01:33:50.280 --> 01:33:51.280]  Look at my car.
[01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:53.280]  Is there anything wrong with this car?
[01:33:53.280 --> 01:33:56.280]  Oh, no, man, this is a really nice car you got.
[01:33:56.280 --> 01:33:58.280]  Nice paint job.
[01:33:58.280 --> 01:33:59.280]  Look at the interior, man.
[01:33:59.280 --> 01:34:00.280]  This is really something.
[01:34:00.280 --> 01:34:02.280]  And I said, well, you know what?
[01:34:02.280 --> 01:34:08.280]  You need to go back in and tell your officers that I'm a hardworking man.
[01:34:08.280 --> 01:34:11.280]  I just painted the JCPenney's mall up here.
[01:34:11.280 --> 01:34:14.280]  And I made $75,000 painting the mall.
[01:34:14.280 --> 01:34:17.280]  And they were like, whoa, you get paid a lot of money.
[01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:20.280]  And I said, well, you know, I chose the painting industry.
[01:34:20.280 --> 01:34:25.280]  You chose, you know, law protection or whatever you're in.
[01:34:25.280 --> 01:34:29.280]  And I said, you know, I'm a hard, you see I'm a painter.
[01:34:29.280 --> 01:34:32.280]  I'm full of paint all over the clothes I got on.
[01:34:32.280 --> 01:34:36.280]  I think you're trying to profile me as something that I'm not.
[01:34:36.280 --> 01:34:38.280]  And you're giving my daughter the wrong impression.
[01:34:38.280 --> 01:34:42.280]  You guys need to make it clear to her right now why you have these guys following me
[01:34:42.280 --> 01:34:45.280]  and why you're wasting my tax money.
[01:34:45.280 --> 01:34:46.280]  Woo-hoo.
[01:34:46.280 --> 01:34:48.280]  Good for you, CJ.
[01:34:48.280 --> 01:34:51.280]  From that day on, it stopped.
[01:34:51.280 --> 01:34:52.280]  Good for you.
[01:34:52.280 --> 01:34:53.280]  Good for you.
[01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:59.280]  Actually, when the two officers, because I know their faces because, you know,
[01:34:59.280 --> 01:35:02.280]  there's only so many police officers in the town here,
[01:35:02.280 --> 01:35:06.280]  were actually rated the number one city in the United States to live in.
[01:35:06.280 --> 01:35:12.280]  And so you get to know the people and you know who they are.
[01:35:12.280 --> 01:35:14.280]  Well, now when the officers drive by me, they look down.
[01:35:14.280 --> 01:35:15.280]  They don't even look at me anymore.
[01:35:15.280 --> 01:35:18.280]  And I actually see them looking down and away from me.
[01:35:18.280 --> 01:35:25.280]  So I think somebody got a little, and bring in my daughter down there to actually say,
[01:35:25.280 --> 01:35:29.280]  you know, explain to this because I don't have the answers that she's looking for.
[01:35:29.280 --> 01:35:30.280]  I don't know why you're doing this.
[01:35:30.280 --> 01:35:32.280]  Is my window tint too dark?
[01:35:32.280 --> 01:35:34.280]  Is my exhaust pipe too loud?
[01:35:34.280 --> 01:35:37.280]  Is the car just too awesome and you guys want to harass me
[01:35:37.280 --> 01:35:43.280]  and trying to hold me back from living the American dream?
[01:35:43.280 --> 01:35:46.280]  And you give me the answers.
[01:35:46.280 --> 01:35:47.280]  That's what I'm here for.
[01:35:47.280 --> 01:35:49.280]  Oh, the daughter was a nice touch.
[01:35:49.280 --> 01:35:51.280]  That's perfect.
[01:35:51.280 --> 01:35:54.280]  This is what we keep telling people is don't be afraid of these guys.
[01:35:54.280 --> 01:35:55.280]  That's right.
[01:35:55.280 --> 01:35:58.280]  And they came to my house too.
[01:35:58.280 --> 01:36:01.280]  My dog was barking and barking and barking.
[01:36:01.280 --> 01:36:06.280]  I just cleaned my carpets and then he went crazy one day and he urinated on some carpets
[01:36:06.280 --> 01:36:09.280]  and I got mad at him and I was yelling at him pretty good.
[01:36:09.280 --> 01:36:11.280]  So the police showed up.
[01:36:11.280 --> 01:36:12.280]  Oh, boy.
[01:36:12.280 --> 01:36:14.280]  And here we go again, right?
[01:36:14.280 --> 01:36:18.280]  And they came to the door and I said, and I'm letting the dog out
[01:36:18.280 --> 01:36:22.280]  and I'm still yelling at the dog a little bit while the police are at the door.
[01:36:22.280 --> 01:36:26.280]  And then I open the door and the dog runs out and I'm like, hey, what do you guys need?
[01:36:26.280 --> 01:36:28.280]  I said, hold on, my dog is coming out.
[01:36:28.280 --> 01:36:30.280]  I need to watch him for a second.
[01:36:30.280 --> 01:36:34.280]  They're like, what's going on here?
[01:36:34.280 --> 01:36:39.280]  Are you beating on your wife or are you doing something here?
[01:36:39.280 --> 01:36:40.280]  What's going on?
[01:36:40.280 --> 01:36:41.280]  Who's all in this house?
[01:36:41.280 --> 01:36:43.280]  We want to come in and inspect your house.
[01:36:43.280 --> 01:36:47.280]  I said, look, neither one of you officers are coming into my house.
[01:36:47.280 --> 01:36:50.280]  And they said, what are you hiding in there?
[01:36:50.280 --> 01:36:52.280]  Did you beat your wife up?
[01:36:52.280 --> 01:36:56.280]  And I said, first of all, there is no woman that lives in this house besides my daughter.
[01:36:56.280 --> 01:36:59.280]  And you just heard me yelling at this dog.
[01:36:59.280 --> 01:37:01.280]  And the dog just ran outside.
[01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:07.280]  And I said, what is this country coming to if I cannot even discipline my dog
[01:37:07.280 --> 01:37:12.280]  and get a little upset at him for urinating all over my carpet that I just had cleaned
[01:37:12.280 --> 01:37:14.280]  and spent my hard-earned money on?
[01:37:14.280 --> 01:37:15.280]  And now you're at my door.
[01:37:15.280 --> 01:37:17.280]  Is this China?
[01:37:17.280 --> 01:37:19.280]  Are we a police state?
[01:37:19.280 --> 01:37:22.280]  I wish I had my recorder going because the police officer looked at me
[01:37:22.280 --> 01:37:25.280]  and said, yes, this is a police state.
[01:37:25.280 --> 01:37:26.280]  Whoa.
[01:37:26.280 --> 01:37:27.280]  Can you believe that?
[01:37:27.280 --> 01:37:29.280]  Oh, my gosh.
[01:37:29.280 --> 01:37:30.280]  That was right here in my city.
[01:37:30.280 --> 01:37:33.280]  And I said, well, this is a police state.
[01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:35.280]  I'm a citizen of the United States in a free country.
[01:37:35.280 --> 01:37:38.280]  You need to leave my property right now.
[01:37:38.280 --> 01:37:41.280]  And they said, well, we're not leaving until we talk to your daughter.
[01:37:41.280 --> 01:37:44.280]  And I said, what do you want to talk to my daughter about?
[01:37:44.280 --> 01:37:47.280]  And they said, the action that was going on inside your house.
[01:37:47.280 --> 01:37:49.280]  I said, she has nothing to do with it.
[01:37:49.280 --> 01:37:51.280]  She just got home from school.
[01:37:51.280 --> 01:37:55.280]  I said, I was, you know, disciplining my dog.
[01:37:55.280 --> 01:38:01.280]  They actually tried to take my daughter into a private area away from me
[01:38:01.280 --> 01:38:05.280]  and questioned my daughter without my authority.
[01:38:05.280 --> 01:38:09.280]  And they would not let me be present while they were questioning her.
[01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:12.280]  And I stood up to it and I said, no, you will not question my daughter
[01:38:12.280 --> 01:38:15.280]  without me being present.
[01:38:15.280 --> 01:38:16.280]  That's wrong.
[01:38:16.280 --> 01:38:18.280]  Am I not right?
[01:38:18.280 --> 01:38:19.280]  Good for you.
[01:38:19.280 --> 01:38:21.280]  Good for you.
[01:38:21.280 --> 01:38:24.280]  Well, they ended up questioning her anyways, but they did it right in front of me.
[01:38:24.280 --> 01:38:28.280]  And then she was like, my dad's down at the dog.
[01:38:28.280 --> 01:38:33.280]  I mean, it was quite, you know, it was evident that what was going on.
[01:38:33.280 --> 01:38:35.280]  Good for you, C.J.
[01:38:35.280 --> 01:38:40.280]  Some things that I'm so glad that you guys are on the air here locally,
[01:38:40.280 --> 01:38:44.280]  and I'm so glad that I have hooked up with, you know, our good friend Chess.
[01:38:44.280 --> 01:38:45.280]  You know Chess?
[01:38:45.280 --> 01:38:46.280]  Yes.
[01:38:46.280 --> 01:38:49.280]  With Liberty AM1640.
[01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:52.280]  And I'm so glad I purchased the unit from Chess
[01:38:52.280 --> 01:38:54.280]  so that I could actually put it on my house
[01:38:54.280 --> 01:38:58.280]  and make a difference for everybody else in this city.
[01:38:58.280 --> 01:39:02.280]  And so that they know, you know,
[01:39:02.280 --> 01:39:09.280]  the insides and the outs of the criminal acts that our officers are doing against us.
[01:39:09.280 --> 01:39:11.280]  It's just quite ridiculous.
[01:39:11.280 --> 01:39:13.280]  I'm so excited to have you guys on.
[01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:15.280]  We air you all the time.
[01:39:15.280 --> 01:39:18.280]  Every time that you're on, we put it on.
[01:39:18.280 --> 01:39:19.280]  Thank you.
[01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:22.280]  Did you find out about our show from Chess?
[01:39:22.280 --> 01:39:23.280]  Oh, yes.
[01:39:23.280 --> 01:39:26.280]  I mean, Chess has just been an awesome friend.
[01:39:26.280 --> 01:39:32.280]  And I've learned so much from that gentleman that, you know, from food toxins to,
[01:39:32.280 --> 01:39:35.280]  I mean, now my cupboards are full of organic foods.
[01:39:35.280 --> 01:39:39.280]  Have you checked out any of the other shows on the network here?
[01:39:39.280 --> 01:39:41.280]  Such as?
[01:39:41.280 --> 01:39:47.280]  Well, the Agenda 21 Talk, they come on before us on Friday evenings from 6 to 8.
[01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:51.280]  You would really love that show because it's all about, you know,
[01:39:51.280 --> 01:39:55.280]  how to fight city ordinances and stuff like that and property rights.
[01:39:55.280 --> 01:39:56.280]  You're airing them?
[01:39:56.280 --> 01:39:57.280]  Uh-huh.
[01:39:57.280 --> 01:40:01.280]  And then also, of course, Radio Free Oklahoma on Wednesday nights, 8 to 10.
[01:40:01.280 --> 01:40:07.280]  And Tom Keiley's show, Iron and World Report Radio, 6 to 8 on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
[01:40:07.280 --> 01:40:13.280]  Well, I tell you what, when we have it all, we're putting our program together right now,
[01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:16.280]  but we actually purchased the barracks box from Chess.
[01:40:16.280 --> 01:40:25.280]  So whatever Chess is broadcasting out of Sioux Falls and Omaha.
[01:40:25.280 --> 01:40:29.280]  Well, by the way, Chess, good luck out there in Omaha.
[01:40:29.280 --> 01:40:32.280]  He's out in Omaha installing another antenna right now.
[01:40:32.280 --> 01:40:33.280]  That's great.
[01:40:33.280 --> 01:40:36.280]  Actually get the message a little further.
[01:40:36.280 --> 01:40:39.280]  And this is a big shout-out to you and the Omaha guy.
[01:40:39.280 --> 01:40:42.280]  Good luck with setting up the new antenna.
[01:40:42.280 --> 01:40:47.280]  He just called me a little while ago and we spoke briefly.
[01:40:47.280 --> 01:40:49.280]  Me and this guy have become really good friends.
[01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:51.280]  We speak on a daily basis.
[01:40:51.280 --> 01:40:56.280]  And, you know, this is just stuff that is very important
[01:40:56.280 --> 01:41:00.280]  because people need to know how to get out a speeding ticket.
[01:41:00.280 --> 01:41:04.280]  They're unlawful to have to go in and pay for a speeding ticket.
[01:41:04.280 --> 01:41:07.280]  Yeah, and your parking ticket, I'd love to fight parking tickets.
[01:41:07.280 --> 01:41:11.280]  Yeah, and you might want to call into the Agenda 21 show about that too
[01:41:11.280 --> 01:41:13.280]  because they're really good with that kind of thing.
[01:41:13.280 --> 01:41:14.280]  Excellent.
[01:41:14.280 --> 01:41:18.280]  But it actually went down to the – we have a hearing officer
[01:41:18.280 --> 01:41:23.280]  that when you get a payable ticket, you can go down to your hearing officer.
[01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:27.280]  Now before you're even scheduled for court, you must go and talk to a hearing officer.
[01:41:27.280 --> 01:41:35.280]  And the hearing officer will decide whether or not you have a fighting chance in court.
[01:41:35.280 --> 01:41:39.280]  Nine times out of ten they'll just – they turn around and they say,
[01:41:39.280 --> 01:41:43.280]  you know what, Chris, what we're going to do – or CJ, my actual name is Chris,
[01:41:43.280 --> 01:41:45.280]  they talked to me as Chris.
[01:41:45.280 --> 01:41:48.280]  But they turn around and they say, hey, Chris, you know,
[01:41:48.280 --> 01:41:55.280]  why don't we just put you on probation for one year with no same or similar act
[01:41:55.280 --> 01:42:01.280]  and we won't put the points against your driver's license
[01:42:01.280 --> 01:42:05.280]  and you'll just have to pay a little extra fine on it.
[01:42:05.280 --> 01:42:07.280]  Yeah, let's make a deal.
[01:42:07.280 --> 01:42:09.280]  Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
[01:42:09.280 --> 01:42:11.280]  What do you think about that?
[01:42:11.280 --> 01:42:13.280]  I think it's criminal.
[01:42:13.280 --> 01:42:14.280]  Yeah.
[01:42:14.280 --> 01:42:20.280]  Do they have statutory authority to order you down there?
[01:42:20.280 --> 01:42:25.280]  In Texas, Code of Criminal Procedure specifically stipulates
[01:42:25.280 --> 01:42:29.280]  what a judge can order you to come to court for.
[01:42:29.280 --> 01:42:32.280]  I think it's voluntary though when you go down.
[01:42:32.280 --> 01:42:35.280]  Yeah, I was going to say they can't – they can't – in Texas,
[01:42:35.280 --> 01:42:38.280]  they can't subpoena you to go talk to the prosecutor, that's for sure.
[01:42:38.280 --> 01:42:39.280]  Right.
[01:42:39.280 --> 01:42:41.280]  They know basically what this guy is.
[01:42:41.280 --> 01:42:44.280]  He's a prosecutor that, you know, moved up the ladder a little bit.
[01:42:44.280 --> 01:42:45.280]  Yeah.
[01:42:45.280 --> 01:42:46.280]  They do that all the time.
[01:42:46.280 --> 01:42:48.280]  They summon you to court to talk to a prosecutor.
[01:42:48.280 --> 01:42:49.280]  When they do it to me,
[01:42:49.280 --> 01:42:54.280]  I file impersonating a judicial officer against the prosecutor
[01:42:54.280 --> 01:43:00.280]  and abusive process against the judge, especially tickets.
[01:43:00.280 --> 01:43:02.280]  I love to kick their behinds on tickets.
[01:43:02.280 --> 01:43:04.280]  It's a great learning experience.
[01:43:04.280 --> 01:43:07.280]  You know, they get all excited and who cares?
[01:43:07.280 --> 01:43:10.280]  Yeah, we just went down yesterday.
[01:43:10.280 --> 01:43:18.280]  The state was – we got an emergency email from a meetup group
[01:43:18.280 --> 01:43:23.280]  that meets up for the Ron Paul crew here in Minneapolis,
[01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:29.280]  and I got an emergency email that the state of Minnesota was actually voting
[01:43:29.280 --> 01:43:35.280]  on whether or not we should have the enhanced driver's license, the real ID.
[01:43:35.280 --> 01:43:36.280]  Well, boy, that's coming up.
[01:43:36.280 --> 01:43:40.280]  There's a public hearing about that on Monday here in Austin.
[01:43:40.280 --> 01:43:44.280]  They had it yesterday, and this is so awesome.
[01:43:44.280 --> 01:43:46.280]  We kicked their butt yesterday.
[01:43:46.280 --> 01:43:48.280]  I mean, we went down there.
[01:43:48.280 --> 01:43:52.280]  There was only like five or six people from the meetup group that actually went down.
[01:43:52.280 --> 01:43:54.280]  I thought it was a day early.
[01:43:54.280 --> 01:43:59.280]  I got the email at 12 o'clock at night, and then it said tomorrow, and I figured,
[01:43:59.280 --> 01:44:01.280]  oh, okay, I've got to get down there tomorrow.
[01:44:01.280 --> 01:44:03.280]  So I went down there, and I didn't see any protesters,
[01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:05.280]  and I was like, well, I had my daughter with me.
[01:44:05.280 --> 01:44:12.280]  I was like, okay, let's go inside and see if we can't, you know,
[01:44:12.280 --> 01:44:14.280]  sign a petition for this.
[01:44:14.280 --> 01:44:21.280]  So we went inside, and we went upstairs, and we actually went to the chairman's office,
[01:44:21.280 --> 01:44:24.280]  and, you know, he couldn't speak first, but his secretary did,
[01:44:24.280 --> 01:44:37.280]  and I said, you know, this HF1005 is quite alarming that they want to put RFID tracking chip
[01:44:37.280 --> 01:44:41.280]  in our driver's license, and she was like, what?
[01:44:41.280 --> 01:44:44.280]  I don't know nothing about this, and I'm like, excuse me?
[01:44:44.280 --> 01:44:49.280]  I mean, you guys are ruling on this tomorrow, and you have no idea of what this even is?
[01:44:49.280 --> 01:44:53.280]  I said, this right here is a complete invasion of privacy,
[01:44:53.280 --> 01:44:56.280]  and I said, and it's unconstitutional, and she goes,
[01:44:56.280 --> 01:45:01.280]  well, would you like to come down and be on the agenda to speak at the meeting tomorrow,
[01:45:01.280 --> 01:45:03.280]  at the hearing tomorrow?
[01:45:03.280 --> 01:45:04.280]  Most definitely.
[01:45:04.280 --> 01:45:06.280]  What a blessing that was.
[01:45:06.280 --> 01:45:17.280]  So the next day, we went down, and I brought my Marantz PDM660, the digital recorder,
[01:45:17.280 --> 01:45:24.280]  and we brought it in, and we recorded the whole session without them knowing it,
[01:45:24.280 --> 01:45:32.280]  and they were completely ridiculous to say, oh, this is going to be monitored by the Homeland Security.
[01:45:32.280 --> 01:45:34.280]  Oh, no, it's not.
[01:45:34.280 --> 01:45:36.280]  It's just going to be monitored by our border patrol.
[01:45:36.280 --> 01:45:40.280]  Well, little did they know the border patrol is the Homeland Security.
[01:45:40.280 --> 01:45:45.280]  I mean, that's who pays the people to, you know, to be in charge of our borders,
[01:45:45.280 --> 01:45:53.280]  and we stood up against it, and we got on there, and it's on record, and we fought them, and we fixed their butts.
[01:45:53.280 --> 01:45:56.280]  My daughter actually got up and spoke in front of the whole committee,
[01:45:56.280 --> 01:46:01.280]  a 14-year-old girl already voiced her opinion to the state of Minnesota about what they're trying to do.
[01:46:01.280 --> 01:46:03.280]  Good for her. Good for you.
[01:46:03.280 --> 01:46:06.280]  This gives me goosebumps every time I tell somebody about it,
[01:46:06.280 --> 01:46:17.280]  because, I mean, clearly they state that there is going to be a digital number attached to your RFID chip.
[01:46:17.280 --> 01:46:18.280]  Oh, yeah.
[01:46:18.280 --> 01:46:20.280]  And that will be attached to your name.
[01:46:20.280 --> 01:46:23.280]  And to me, that's biblical.
[01:46:23.280 --> 01:46:24.280]  Mark of the beast.
[01:46:24.280 --> 01:46:26.280]  Mark of the beast, exactly.
[01:46:26.280 --> 01:46:32.280]  And if you do not get this chip in your driver's license, you will not be able to get a job there,
[01:46:32.280 --> 01:46:36.280]  stating you will not be able to cash a tech, you will not be able to get a driver's license,
[01:46:36.280 --> 01:46:39.280]  you will not be able to do several things, you will not be able to board an airplane,
[01:46:39.280 --> 01:46:43.280]  you will not be able to cross borders, you will not be able to do this.
[01:46:43.280 --> 01:46:50.280]  And yet the guy got up that was presenting the bill, Mr. Reinhart, and he goes,
[01:46:50.280 --> 01:46:53.280]  well, I just learned about what real ID was yesterday.
[01:46:53.280 --> 01:46:57.280]  And he goes, I just want to let everybody know that this is not the real ID.
[01:46:57.280 --> 01:47:04.280]  And so I brought the definition of an RFID chip, and they were trying to say this is not a tracking device.
[01:47:04.280 --> 01:47:05.280]  OBS.
[01:47:05.280 --> 01:47:09.280]  Yeah, and I have it so recorded, we're going to air it.
[01:47:09.280 --> 01:47:15.280]  I've been airing it every day for everybody in the Maple Grove area to hear about it.
[01:47:15.280 --> 01:47:17.280]  I've been talking about it in the stores.
[01:47:17.280 --> 01:47:22.280]  People are like, oh, yeah, I listened to the 1710, now I've heard about it through a couple friends.
[01:47:22.280 --> 01:47:26.280]  And you guys have got some really interesting, you know, stuff that you're talking about.
[01:47:26.280 --> 01:47:33.280]  It seems controversy and a little bit of conspiracy in there, you know, about some of these things.
[01:47:33.280 --> 01:47:37.280]  And I said, well, trust me, everything that is going on is not conspiracy.
[01:47:37.280 --> 01:47:41.280]  These are actual facts that we air on our radio station.
[01:47:41.280 --> 01:47:45.280]  And on top of that, I brought my little recorder with me.
[01:47:45.280 --> 01:47:49.280]  And I'm like, here, this is us down at the state Capitol yesterday.
[01:47:49.280 --> 01:47:57.280]  And I played it, and people were just blown away that they're actually trying to tip our driver's license here in Minnesota.
[01:47:57.280 --> 01:48:04.280]  And not one person that I've talked to had a clue about this, not even the people in the State Department themselves.
[01:48:04.280 --> 01:48:08.280]  And it's so awesome to stand up.
[01:48:08.280 --> 01:48:15.280]  And you know what even is better than that is to have a 14-year-old daughter that is brave enough to stand up
[01:48:15.280 --> 01:48:24.280]  in front of this whole committee in a professional setting and tell them, you know, that, look, I'm 14.
[01:48:24.280 --> 01:48:26.280]  In two years, I should be getting my driver's license.
[01:48:26.280 --> 01:48:28.280]  I do not want to be tracked.
[01:48:28.280 --> 01:48:32.280]  Nobody I know wants to be tracked by the government.
[01:48:32.280 --> 01:48:39.280]  And she says, the only person that needs to know where I am 24 hours a day is my dad until I turn 18 years old,
[01:48:39.280 --> 01:48:41.280]  and I'm old enough to take care of myself.
[01:48:41.280 --> 01:48:45.280]  Good for her. And you set an excellent example, CJ.
[01:48:45.280 --> 01:48:49.280]  Yeah, she shut them down with that right there, because then the guy that presented the bill,
[01:48:49.280 --> 01:48:55.280]  he got back up and they were like, do you have any closing comments after these people?
[01:48:55.280 --> 01:49:02.280]  And she's like, well, I had some, but I have no more closing comments.
[01:49:02.280 --> 01:49:03.280]  Good for you guys.
[01:49:03.280 --> 01:49:06.280]  They made it go to civil justice.
[01:49:06.280 --> 01:49:12.280]  Now it's actually going from there over to civil justice, which I'm not sure what goes on there,
[01:49:12.280 --> 01:49:16.280]  but I'm sure they're going to come back with both barrels loaded.
[01:49:16.280 --> 01:49:21.280]  And I just want everybody to, you know, to know that Minnesota is not standing down.
[01:49:21.280 --> 01:49:24.280]  And our station is pretty much brand new.
[01:49:24.280 --> 01:49:29.280]  I mean, we've only been up for, oh, maybe a week and a half, two weeks.
[01:49:29.280 --> 01:49:32.280]  Well, good for you, CJ, and check it out.
[01:49:32.280 --> 01:49:37.280]  So Monday night we're going to be broadcasting live from City Hall here in Austin
[01:49:37.280 --> 01:49:41.280]  about the police chief wanting to have blood withdrawals,
[01:49:41.280 --> 01:49:43.280]  the cops are withdrawing blood on the side of the road.
[01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:46.280]  And we're also going to have people calling in from the Capitol
[01:49:46.280 --> 01:49:52.280]  because the hearing about the implementation of real ID here in Texas is also Monday.
[01:49:52.280 --> 01:49:59.280]  Sheila Dean was saying from 511campaign.org, she's saying it's like Jack Boot Monday, this coming Monday.
[01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:02.280]  And the hearing is scheduled for 2 p.m.
[01:50:02.280 --> 01:50:07.280]  Well, number of hearings, and this one is the real ID is supposed to be like the last on the list.
[01:50:07.280 --> 01:50:13.280]  So it's pretty obvious what they're doing is they're trying to overlap the City Hall hearing
[01:50:13.280 --> 01:50:18.280]  with the Capitol hearing because they know that people are going to want to be at both.
[01:50:18.280 --> 01:50:22.280]  And so we're going to have people calling into the show from the Capitol,
[01:50:22.280 --> 01:50:25.280]  and we're going to be broadcasting live from City Hall.
[01:50:25.280 --> 01:50:27.280]  So it ought to be a really great show.
[01:50:27.280 --> 01:50:29.280]  And we're going to start our show at 6 p.m. too.
[01:50:29.280 --> 01:50:31.280]  Awesome. I'm going to be definitely listening to that.
[01:50:31.280 --> 01:50:38.280]  And just as I've already been through this, listen, how ridiculous these people are.
[01:50:38.280 --> 01:50:45.280]  I mean, they're like telling us that, oh, we have to have this great relationship with Canada.
[01:50:45.280 --> 01:50:52.280]  And our fishermen don't need to carry a passport when they – this is a convenience.
[01:50:52.280 --> 01:50:56.280]  And then they – right at the last minute because, I mean, everybody – I called everybody.
[01:50:56.280 --> 01:51:00.280]  I know – emailed this guy about this, you know, stand up against this.
[01:51:00.280 --> 01:51:07.280]  And the first thing they said is the tension was so thick in the room you could cut it with a knife.
[01:51:07.280 --> 01:51:08.280]  I mean, it was hardcore.
[01:51:08.280 --> 01:51:12.280]  I mean, they were reading all these documents and they were passing bills left and right.
[01:51:12.280 --> 01:51:16.280]  And the last one of the day was the enhanced driver's license.
[01:51:16.280 --> 01:51:19.280]  Now, they're going to use it as an enhanced driver's license.
[01:51:19.280 --> 01:51:22.280]  They're going to deny that it's the real ID Act.
[01:51:22.280 --> 01:51:29.280]  And they're also going to say that it's a voluntary – our guy came back with an amendment right away
[01:51:29.280 --> 01:51:33.280]  because it was going to be mandatory, but he's seen everybody standing up against it.
[01:51:33.280 --> 01:51:36.280]  And I bet you a million fives that that guy called in.
[01:51:36.280 --> 01:51:40.280]  The Secretary of Homeland Security has said, hey, everybody is standing up against this.
[01:51:40.280 --> 01:51:41.280]  Yeah, really.
[01:51:41.280 --> 01:51:47.280]  I'm sure that Secretary of Homeland Security said, look, just go ahead and put an amendment in it
[01:51:47.280 --> 01:51:49.280]  that it's going to be a voluntary situation.
[01:51:49.280 --> 01:51:54.280]  And then once you guys get the voluntary situation enacted, then we'll take it over.
[01:51:54.280 --> 01:51:55.280]  Yeah, really.
[01:51:55.280 --> 01:51:57.280]  It will be mandatory by 2011.
[01:51:57.280 --> 01:51:58.280]  Exactly.
[01:51:58.280 --> 01:52:04.280]  And we clearly brought that up and we stopped them dead in their tracks.
[01:52:04.280 --> 01:52:07.280]  Well, good for you, C.J.
[01:52:07.280 --> 01:52:10.280]  C.J., listen, listen.
[01:52:10.280 --> 01:52:12.280]  I want to let you go.
[01:52:12.280 --> 01:52:14.280]  I mean, I don't want to let you go, but our call board is stacking up.
[01:52:14.280 --> 01:52:17.280]  We only have six more minutes on the air and I've put Eddie off for a long time.
[01:52:17.280 --> 01:52:19.280]  Right.
[01:52:19.280 --> 01:52:20.280]  We've got to get on there.
[01:52:20.280 --> 01:52:21.280]  Yeah.
[01:52:21.280 --> 01:52:22.280]  Can you call back in to another show?
[01:52:22.280 --> 01:52:23.280]  Oh, most definitely.
[01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:24.280]  Okay.
[01:52:24.280 --> 01:52:27.280]  And send me an email too so I can talk to you offline.
[01:52:27.280 --> 01:52:28.280]  Oh, most definitely.
[01:52:28.280 --> 01:52:29.280]  We'll step, sure.
[01:52:29.280 --> 01:52:31.280]  I appreciate you having us on.
[01:52:31.280 --> 01:52:39.280]  And just remember that Radio 1710 here in Maybrook, Minnesota is going to be hearing this every day that is possible
[01:52:39.280 --> 01:52:48.280]  because the Minnesotans need to know how criminal acts that are off are going to be a part of your guys' scheme.
[01:52:48.280 --> 01:53:03.280]  And like I said, if anybody out there could take one thing from this conversation is get ahold of CHESS at Liberty 1640.
[01:53:03.280 --> 01:53:05.280]  I think it's 1640.com.
[01:53:05.280 --> 01:53:07.280]  This guy has a great transmitter.
[01:53:07.280 --> 01:53:10.280]  We're transmitting up to five miles away with one transmitter.
[01:53:10.280 --> 01:53:11.280]  That's great.
[01:53:11.280 --> 01:53:13.280]  And you all are building a network to cover the whole city too.
[01:53:13.280 --> 01:53:14.280]  It's excellent.
[01:53:14.280 --> 01:53:15.280]  You bet.
[01:53:15.280 --> 01:53:18.280]  And I just want everybody to know it's going to be a pretty jump on board.
[01:53:18.280 --> 01:53:21.280]  It's relatively deep, going about 1,200 bucks to get one.
[01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:23.280]  It will make the difference to your area.
[01:53:23.280 --> 01:53:24.280]  Okay.
[01:53:24.280 --> 01:53:25.280]  Thank you.
[01:53:25.280 --> 01:53:26.280]  Thank you so much, C.J.
[01:53:26.280 --> 01:53:27.280]  All right.
[01:53:27.280 --> 01:53:30.280]  We'll spend seven bucks to get in and we'll be talking to you.
[01:53:30.280 --> 01:53:31.280]  Okay.
[01:53:31.280 --> 01:53:32.280]  Good night.
[01:53:32.280 --> 01:53:33.280]  He was cutting out there for a minute.
[01:53:33.280 --> 01:53:34.280]  Okay.
[01:53:34.280 --> 01:53:36.280]  We are going to go now to Eddie who's been holding forever.
[01:53:36.280 --> 01:53:38.280]  Eddie, I'm so sorry to make you wait so long.
[01:53:38.280 --> 01:53:39.280]  Thank you for holding.
[01:53:39.280 --> 01:53:40.280]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:53:40.280 --> 01:53:43.280]  Well, I just got a couple things to get with Randy on here.
[01:53:43.280 --> 01:53:48.280]  Randy, I sent you an updated narrative from what we're discussing on the sales tax thing.
[01:53:48.280 --> 01:53:52.280]  I just made some clarifications in the language a little bit.
[01:53:52.280 --> 01:53:54.280]  Nothing statutory changed in it.
[01:53:54.280 --> 01:53:55.280]  Okay.
[01:53:55.280 --> 01:53:56.280]  Good.
[01:53:56.280 --> 01:54:03.280]  Now, what is the reference for the siding for that United States Supreme Court case you guys have been talking about all night?
[01:54:03.280 --> 01:54:06.280]  Where to put it?
[01:54:06.280 --> 01:54:08.280]  Here it is.
[01:54:08.280 --> 01:54:17.280]  I found the, okay, it's Rothgarry, R-O-T-H-G-E-R-Y, V. Gillespie County.
[01:54:17.280 --> 01:54:19.280]  G-I-L-L-I.
[01:54:19.280 --> 01:54:25.280]  G-I-L-L-E-S-P-I-E.
[01:54:25.280 --> 01:54:29.280]  And I found a federal reference to it, Rothgarry.
[01:54:29.280 --> 01:54:31.280]  There it is.
[01:54:31.280 --> 01:54:37.280]  491 F3D 293.
[01:54:37.280 --> 01:54:39.280]  F3D 293?
[01:54:39.280 --> 01:54:40.280]  Yeah.
[01:54:40.280 --> 01:54:44.280]  Well, actually, that may be, that's the Fifth Circuit.
[01:54:44.280 --> 01:54:46.280]  That's where the Fifth Circuit denied it.
[01:54:46.280 --> 01:54:56.280]  This one goes, Supreme Court of the United States, let's see, 128 Southern Court, 2578.
[01:54:56.280 --> 01:54:58.280]  That's this latest ruling on it.
[01:54:58.280 --> 01:54:59.280]  FD2578?
[01:54:59.280 --> 01:55:01.280]  FD2578.
[01:55:01.280 --> 01:55:03.280]  Okay.
[01:55:03.280 --> 01:55:07.280]  Now, also, I heard you guys talking a while ago about fighting speed tickets.
[01:55:07.280 --> 01:55:10.280]  I've actually got a little thing that I do with them now.
[01:55:10.280 --> 01:55:19.280]  I actually asked the COPS that, okay, if you think I'm speeding, have you bothered to look at Section 201.904 of the transportation code?
[01:55:19.280 --> 01:55:29.280]  And you know that that covers what a speed limit sign is supposed to cover.
[01:55:29.280 --> 01:55:34.280]  It states in Section 201.904 that the state shall erect signs for the purpose of regulating the speed of.
[01:55:34.280 --> 01:55:39.280]  And then it gives a specific list of vehicles that that speed limit sign applies to.
[01:55:39.280 --> 01:55:43.280]  They're all commercial, every one of them.
[01:55:43.280 --> 01:55:49.280]  So if a cop gets in a court and charges me with speeding, then I charge him with aggravated perjury
[01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:54.280]  because he can't show that the motor vehicle I was operating was one covered under the list.
[01:55:54.280 --> 01:56:03.280]  And generally, the DPS has a place to check whether it's a commercial, whether or not it's a commercial vehicle.
[01:56:03.280 --> 01:56:04.280]  Right.
[01:56:04.280 --> 01:56:09.280]  Right, which proves he knows there's a difference and that speed limit sign's got nothing to do with that car.
[01:56:09.280 --> 01:56:10.280]  Right.
[01:56:10.280 --> 01:56:12.280]  That's good.
[01:56:12.280 --> 01:56:18.280]  That's why I'm building the litigation engine, because I knew that but forgot about it.
[01:56:18.280 --> 01:56:23.280]  Yeah, it's an interesting tack to take because you tell them, have you bothered to read this section?
[01:56:23.280 --> 01:56:24.280]  No.
[01:56:24.280 --> 01:56:30.280]  Well, then have somebody read it to you over the radio because I have a feeling you're not going to like the outcome of this stuff.
[01:56:30.280 --> 01:56:31.280]  Oh, my goodness.
[01:56:31.280 --> 01:56:39.280]  Now, another question I got is if you report a criminal act by a state agency to a state representative
[01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:45.280]  who has told you in person that he will do everything possible to assist you with that problem,
[01:56:45.280 --> 01:56:52.280]  and yet he refuses to do so when you report it to him, what are his responsibilities under the law in that case?
[01:56:52.280 --> 01:56:54.280]  He doesn't have one.
[01:56:54.280 --> 01:56:55.280]  Yeah, I didn't figure he did.
[01:56:55.280 --> 01:56:56.280]  I thought I'd check anyway.
[01:56:56.280 --> 01:56:57.280]  Yeah.
[01:56:57.280 --> 01:57:04.280]  Legislature, if he's a legislator, he has no specific duty in that regard.
[01:57:04.280 --> 01:57:05.280]  Okay.
[01:57:05.280 --> 01:57:09.280]  They say all we do is make the law, we don't enforce it.
[01:57:09.280 --> 01:57:19.280]  Yeah, you can't force him, but a prosecuting attorney, he's a whole other animal, or a magistrate, they're a whole other animal.
[01:57:19.280 --> 01:57:20.280]  Okay.
[01:57:20.280 --> 01:57:27.280]  Well, the last actual real question I got is can a municipal court judge require a person of the general public
[01:57:27.280 --> 01:57:31.280]  that comes in to get information out of a court record, a public record?
[01:57:31.280 --> 01:57:35.280]  Can the judge refuse to allow you to get copies of that information
[01:57:35.280 --> 01:57:56.280]  unless you bring a notarized letter from the person that the holder deals with?
[01:57:56.280 --> 01:58:03.280]  If you want to live, treat me good.
[01:58:03.280 --> 01:58:11.280]  If you want to live, live, I'll make you treat me good.
[01:58:11.280 --> 01:58:16.280]  I'm like a walking crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous.
[01:58:16.280 --> 01:58:18.280]  He said I'm dangerous.
[01:58:18.280 --> 01:58:25.280]  I'm like a walking crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:58:25.280 --> 01:58:32.280]  If you are a bully, treat me good.
[01:58:32.280 --> 01:58:40.280]  If you are a bully, a bully, I'll make you treat me good.
[01:58:40.280 --> 01:58:48.280]  I'm like a stepping crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:58:48.280 --> 01:58:55.280]  I'm like a stepping crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:58:55.280 --> 01:59:03.280]  If you are a chucky, somebody chucky for me.
[01:59:03.280 --> 01:59:10.280]  If you are a chucky, chucky, somebody chucky for me.
[01:59:10.280 --> 01:59:17.280]  I'm like a stepping crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:17.280 --> 01:59:25.280]  I'm like a stepping crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:25.280 --> 01:59:32.280]  If you eat a ball, treat me good.
[01:59:32.280 --> 01:59:40.280]  If you eat a dream, let's move, you better treat me good.
[01:59:40.280 --> 01:59:46.280]  I'm like a stepping crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:46.280 --> 01:59:55.280]  I'm like a stepping crazy, don't you watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:55.280 --> 02:00:23.280]  If you are a bully, a bully, I'll make you treat me good.