ROL_2009-03-27_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:11.000]  Khan Ross, a former British diplomat, revealed Thursday, intelligence reports made it very
[00:11.000 --> 00:17.700]  clear Saddam Hussein did not pose a significant threat to the UK and that tougher enforcement
[00:17.700 --> 00:22.200]  of sanctions could have brought down his regime.
[00:22.200 --> 00:27.740]  Afghan President Hamid Karzai has declared Barack Obama's surge of 17,000 troops to
[00:27.740 --> 00:36.200]  Afghanistan was seven years too late, adding, quote, we kept requesting but it didn't happen.
[00:36.200 --> 00:42.360]  Costa Rica and El Salvador, the only two Central American countries not to recognize Cuba,
[00:42.360 --> 00:45.440]  say they plan to reestablish diplomatic ties.
[00:45.440 --> 00:51.040]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[00:51.040 --> 00:55.400]  In France, up to three million people hit the streets Thursday to protest President
[00:55.400 --> 01:01.240]  Nicolas Sarkozy's handling of the economic crisis and demand help for struggling workers.
[01:01.240 --> 01:04.520]  Two million people in France are now out of work.
[01:04.520 --> 01:09.840]  Streets in Paris were packed with protesters waving anti-Sarkozy placards and chanting
[01:09.840 --> 01:15.520]  slogans with badges reading, get lost you little jerk, the now infamous comment made
[01:15.520 --> 01:19.160]  earlier by Sarkozy to a protester.
[01:19.160 --> 01:24.360]  Sarkozy has poured billions into bailing out banks and car makers but rejected union demands
[01:24.360 --> 01:28.000]  for higher pay and tax hikes for the rich.
[01:28.000 --> 01:32.560]  Unions are demanding a boost for the lower salaried, more measures to protect employment,
[01:32.560 --> 01:37.720]  a tax hike for high earners and a halt to planned job cuts in the public sector.
[01:37.720 --> 01:43.800]  The government has introduced a $36 billion stimulus plan aimed at business investment.
[01:43.800 --> 01:55.280]  After the January 29 strike, Sarkozy offered $2 billion to help vulnerable households.
[01:55.280 --> 02:00.640]  New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced Friday the indictment of Hank Morris
[02:00.640 --> 02:07.280]  and David Logliski on 123 charges relating to a multi-million dollar payoff scam.
[02:07.280 --> 02:13.000]  They are charged with conspiring to sell access to billions of taxpayer dollars in exchange
[02:13.000 --> 02:15.480]  for millions of dollars in kickbacks.
[02:15.480 --> 02:20.480]  The indictment charges Morris and others corrupted billions of dollars worth of investments from
[02:20.480 --> 02:24.880]  which they reaped $30 million in fees, gifts and bribes.
[02:24.880 --> 02:29.360]  Five of these investments involved the Carlisle Group, one of the world's largest private
[02:29.360 --> 02:35.280]  equity funds that hold $730 million in capital commitments from the New York State Pension
[02:35.280 --> 02:36.440]  Fund.
[02:36.440 --> 02:41.880]  Morris and Logliski collected $13 million in sham placement fees.
[02:41.880 --> 02:46.960]  Former President George H.W. Bush is heavily involved in the Carlisle Group, which has
[02:46.960 --> 02:51.360]  $91 billion of equity capital under its management.
[02:51.360 --> 02:56.240]  The New York State Attorney's Office is investigating the Carlisle Group in connection with the
[02:56.240 --> 03:01.440]  State Pension Fund.
[03:01.440 --> 03:06.400]  Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo is seeking federal funding to implement a program for
[03:06.400 --> 03:09.760]  training police to withdraw blood from DWI suspects.
[03:09.760 --> 03:14.720]  Do you want our police to be able to stick a needle in your arm and take your blood on
[03:14.720 --> 03:18.560]  the side of the road with no search warrant or court order?
[03:18.560 --> 03:24.440]  This program is patently illegal, reckless, unconstitutional and life-threatening.
[03:24.440 --> 03:30.320]  Join us March 30th at 6 p.m. at Austin City Hall in the city council chambers for the
[03:30.320 --> 03:36.120]  public forum on police blood withdrawal, sponsored by Texans for Accountable Government and Austin
[03:36.120 --> 03:38.240]  Campaign for Liberty.
[03:38.240 --> 03:43.800]  Members include Police Chief Art Acevedo, City Council Member Mike Martinez, Tags Steering
[03:43.800 --> 03:50.240]  Committee Rep John Bush, ACLU Central Texas Chapter President Debbie Russell and MAD Rep
[03:50.240 --> 03:51.240]  Karen Housewright.
[03:51.240 --> 03:57.760]  Be there March 30th at 6 p.m. at Austin City Hall and make your voice be heard on this
[03:57.760 --> 04:02.000]  very serious issue.
[04:02.000 --> 04:03.000]  Identity concerns everyone.
[04:03.000 --> 04:06.640]  The federal real ID has changed its name many times.
[04:06.640 --> 04:11.840]  From border speed passes to enhanced driver's licenses, the federal national ID is seeking
[04:11.840 --> 04:17.560]  a Texas identity and representative merits bill 4036.
[04:17.560 --> 04:23.880]  House bill 4036 indicates nationality or citizenship on licenses, hence nationalizing identity
[04:23.880 --> 04:29.120]  cards, adds biometric facial files to your license and maintains the build of a national
[04:29.120 --> 04:30.120]  database.
[04:30.120 --> 04:36.880]  If your privacy, identity security, personal sovereignty and the constitution concerns
[04:36.880 --> 04:40.840]  you, please offer your testimony during this crucial and important hearing, Monday after
[04:40.840 --> 04:43.920]  2 p.m. at the Texas Capitol in Austin.
[04:43.920 --> 04:49.160]  This is your opportunity to change the destiny of your identity in Texas.
[04:49.160 --> 05:05.080]  For more information, visit 511campaign.org.
[05:05.080 --> 05:12.080]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
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[05:50.760 --> 05:53.760]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[05:53.760 --> 05:56.760]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[05:56.760 --> 05:59.760]  When you were eight and you had bad dreams
[05:59.760 --> 06:01.760]  You'd go to school and learn the golden rules
[06:01.760 --> 06:04.760]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[06:04.760 --> 06:07.760]  If you get hot then you must get cool
[06:07.760 --> 06:10.760]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[06:10.760 --> 06:12.760]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[06:12.760 --> 06:15.760]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[06:15.760 --> 06:18.760]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[06:18.760 --> 06:21.760]  Bad boys, bad boys
[06:21.760 --> 06:23.760]  You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[06:23.760 --> 06:26.760]  You chuck it on your brother and you chuck it on your sister
[06:26.760 --> 06:29.760]  You chuck it on that one and you chuck it on me
[06:29.760 --> 06:33.760]  What are you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:33.760 --> 06:37.760]  This is Deborah Stevens and Randy Kelton
[06:37.760 --> 06:43.760]  here on The Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com
[06:43.760 --> 06:47.760]  Alright, we've got some very important issues at stake here
[06:47.760 --> 06:51.760]  coming up, two very important public hearings on Monday
[06:51.760 --> 06:55.760]  here in Austin, when it rains it pours it would seem
[06:55.760 --> 06:59.760]  Of course the PSAs that we just played
[06:59.760 --> 07:04.760]  We've got the police blood withdrawal issue here in Austin
[07:04.760 --> 07:07.760]  That public hearing is Monday night at 6pm
[07:07.760 --> 07:13.760]  City Council chambers, downtown at Cesar Chavez
[07:13.760 --> 07:15.760]  at Guadalupe Street, there's plenty of parking
[07:15.760 --> 07:17.760]  They've got a parking garage
[07:17.760 --> 07:20.760]  So everybody better come down for that
[07:20.760 --> 07:23.760]  and let these people know that we're not gonna put up with it
[07:23.760 --> 07:25.760]  It's totally illegal
[07:25.760 --> 07:28.760]  And Randy's gonna hit them with some case law and statutory law
[07:28.760 --> 07:32.760]  just to show them how illegal it is of what they're doing
[07:32.760 --> 07:35.760]  what they're trying to do, what they're already doing
[07:35.760 --> 07:38.760]  and just what exactly is going to happen to them if they keep it up
[07:38.760 --> 07:45.760]  and also just announced another very important public hearing at the state level
[07:45.760 --> 07:48.760]  This is at the state capitol on Monday
[07:48.760 --> 07:52.760]  regarding the implementation of the Real ID Act
[07:52.760 --> 08:00.760]  Now our Texas legislature has been resisting the implementation of the Real ID Act for quite a while
[08:00.760 --> 08:07.760]  and I know my state rep was basically in agreement that we should not do this
[08:07.760 --> 08:12.760]  Alright, that was Gonzalez, I believe
[08:12.760 --> 08:15.760]  However, the tide has turned
[08:15.760 --> 08:19.760]  and now our legislature does indeed want to do this
[08:19.760 --> 08:23.760]  and there's going to be a public hearing at the capitol about it on Monday
[08:23.760 --> 08:28.760]  So everybody needs to get down there or submit written testimony
[08:28.760 --> 08:31.760]  to let them know that we're not gonna put up with this
[08:31.760 --> 08:39.760]  and I'm sure our no-good state senator Kirk Watson representing District 14 here in Travis County
[08:39.760 --> 08:43.760]  I'm sure that he is all jumping for joy about this
[08:43.760 --> 08:47.760]  because of course he's behind all the toll roads and everything else
[08:47.760 --> 08:49.760]  So we have a very special guest tonight
[08:49.760 --> 08:53.760]  We've got Sheila Dean with us from 511campaign.org
[08:53.760 --> 08:55.760]  and she's gonna be telling us about this
[08:55.760 --> 08:57.760]  Sheila, welcome to the show
[08:57.760 --> 08:59.760]  Thank you for having me
[08:59.760 --> 09:01.760]  So Sheila, give us some background here
[09:01.760 --> 09:05.760]  What's the deal with the state legislature now wanting to do this?
[09:05.760 --> 09:07.760]  Can you give us a background on this bill?
[09:07.760 --> 09:09.760]  They're about to pass a bill
[09:09.760 --> 09:12.760]  so let us know what the scoop is
[09:12.760 --> 09:15.760]  Well, it's actually kind of a very...
[09:15.760 --> 09:17.760]  It's a formidable foe
[09:17.760 --> 09:19.760]  It's a formidable opponent
[09:19.760 --> 09:23.760]  and it's because it's not so bad
[09:23.760 --> 09:27.760]  and I encourage people to definitely show their face
[09:27.760 --> 09:29.760]  because it's a moderate bill
[09:29.760 --> 09:31.760]  and we are playing moderate politics
[09:31.760 --> 09:34.760]  so as to appease the feds
[09:34.760 --> 09:39.760]  so as to appease those who are misled by immigration rule
[09:39.760 --> 09:45.760]  and so as to appease those who, you know, want privacy
[09:45.760 --> 09:50.760]  because there's some privacy written into the bill, believe it or not
[09:50.760 --> 09:55.760]  They have some legislation written into the bill that they can't...
[09:55.760 --> 09:58.760]  If they're going to take all of the sensitive information
[09:58.760 --> 10:03.760]  they can't sell it or disseminate it to third parties
[10:03.760 --> 10:06.760]  and I don't know how they're going to achieve that
[10:06.760 --> 10:11.760]  if they're using the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators
[10:11.760 --> 10:14.760]  as their throughway
[10:14.760 --> 10:17.760]  because they are an information clearinghouse
[10:17.760 --> 10:21.760]  so that will have to be a special arrangement that they have for them
[10:21.760 --> 10:24.760]  to do that special for Texas
[10:24.760 --> 10:27.760]  So Sheila, is that some kind of third party organization
[10:27.760 --> 10:29.760]  that's not really part of government or something?
[10:29.760 --> 10:30.760]  What is that?
[10:30.760 --> 10:33.760]  ANSA is the license...
[10:33.760 --> 10:38.760]  the American Motor Vehicle Association to organize
[10:38.760 --> 10:42.760]  or in charge of basically organizing license information
[10:42.760 --> 10:48.760]  They provide consulting, organizing technologies
[10:48.760 --> 10:51.760]  and there are big hitters
[10:51.760 --> 10:56.760]  heavy hitters on anything where there is public safety
[10:56.760 --> 11:00.760]  arrangements and rules where identity is concerned
[11:00.760 --> 11:05.760]  like where identity cards, your driver's licenses, essentially
[11:05.760 --> 11:10.760]  They run the driver's license contracts for the entire continent
[11:10.760 --> 11:18.760]  essentially with the exception of one province in Canada far north
[11:18.760 --> 11:21.760]  One province in Canada doesn't want anything to do with them
[11:21.760 --> 11:25.760]  Wow, so this is actually international here
[11:25.760 --> 11:27.760]  Yes, yes it is
[11:27.760 --> 11:28.760]  Wow
[11:28.760 --> 11:33.760]  And it's playing key to the driver's license agreement
[11:33.760 --> 11:36.760]  and there are several things that factor into the policy
[11:36.760 --> 11:40.760]  and you may have heard about them at one point or another
[11:40.760 --> 11:43.760]  while listening to the station
[11:43.760 --> 11:49.760]  the ICAO, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, the driver's license agreement
[11:49.760 --> 11:53.760]  the Real ID Act itself
[11:53.760 --> 12:00.760]  which was passed in 2005 on a tsunami relief writer
[12:00.760 --> 12:03.760]  So the reason why we're all dealing with this today
[12:03.760 --> 12:07.760]  is because some senators who didn't read the bill
[12:07.760 --> 12:11.760]  passed it unanimously with tsunami relief
[12:11.760 --> 12:16.760]  Nobody was going to say no to sending money to Indonesia for disaster relief
[12:16.760 --> 12:18.760]  Nobody
[12:18.760 --> 12:19.760]  Right
[12:19.760 --> 12:24.760]  So when I frame that for legislators at the state level
[12:24.760 --> 12:29.760]  when they are staring down the budgetary ask for the whopping amount
[12:29.760 --> 12:32.760]  because it's expensive to implement Real ID
[12:32.760 --> 12:34.760]  Oh yeah, that's why they've been resisting it so long
[12:34.760 --> 12:38.760]  so I don't understand why they're doing this
[12:38.760 --> 12:43.760]  The ironic thing here is that I think that the federal government can fine money
[12:43.760 --> 12:49.760]  for whatever they're going to do if they have full intentions of bringing it about
[12:49.760 --> 12:54.760]  If they're just posturing and playing political ball
[12:54.760 --> 13:00.760]  then this will go away, it'll fade like a big offensive gas ball
[13:00.760 --> 13:02.760]  but we can't take that risk
[13:02.760 --> 13:04.760]  No
[13:04.760 --> 13:06.760]  Our identities are riding on the line
[13:06.760 --> 13:10.760]  The name of the bill is 4036
[13:10.760 --> 13:14.760]  and it is entitled the federal ID
[13:14.760 --> 13:16.760]  So this is a national ID
[13:16.760 --> 13:21.760]  which would attribute your citizenship on the license
[13:21.760 --> 13:24.760]  along with biometric information
[13:24.760 --> 13:26.760]  and expand the database
[13:26.760 --> 13:30.760]  So essentially some of the most scary things about the Real ID Act
[13:30.760 --> 13:34.760]  there was no mention of radio frequency ID technology
[13:34.760 --> 13:37.760]  because people would be egging their windows right now
[13:37.760 --> 13:43.760]  but because there are things that are quasi less sensational
[13:43.760 --> 13:49.760]  I think that this is designed and pushed by the DPS playing ball with the DHS
[13:49.760 --> 13:53.760]  or the Department of Homeland Security
[13:53.760 --> 14:02.760]  They want policy to where it's most things identity is handed over to the police
[14:02.760 --> 14:06.760]  and the police and the Department of Homeland Security
[14:06.760 --> 14:10.760]  who are basically national security enforcement
[14:10.760 --> 14:15.760]  have rule over determining all things that are identity
[14:15.760 --> 14:17.760]  They get to say who you are
[14:17.760 --> 14:22.760]  Do you want Department of Homeland Security determining who you get to be?
[14:22.760 --> 14:24.760]  It's kind of preposterous really
[14:24.760 --> 14:29.760]  Now Sheila, this bill, would this be incorporated into the state driver's license
[14:29.760 --> 14:33.760]  or would it be an additional ID that we would be forced to have?
[14:33.760 --> 14:36.760]  So it would be using, it would co-opt the state license
[14:36.760 --> 14:39.760]  Oh boy
[14:39.760 --> 14:42.760]  So is this a House bill or Senate bill right now?
[14:42.760 --> 14:44.760]  It is a House bill
[14:44.760 --> 14:47.760]  House bill 4036
[14:47.760 --> 14:49.760]  4036
[14:49.760 --> 14:51.760]  Right
[14:51.760 --> 14:56.760]  And it was filed by Representative Tawny Merritt
[14:56.760 --> 15:00.760]  And believe it or not, he is by and large a reasonable guy
[15:00.760 --> 15:04.760]  He's not somebody who eats babies in his basement like Kirk Watson
[15:04.760 --> 15:08.760]  Okay
[15:08.760 --> 15:10.760]  I don't like Kirk Watson
[15:10.760 --> 15:13.760]  I cannot stand the man
[15:13.760 --> 15:16.760]  Let me tell you what, when he was mayor of Austin
[15:16.760 --> 15:20.760]  he was leading the charge to try to take down our neighborhood
[15:20.760 --> 15:22.760]  We live in kind of a central neighborhood
[15:22.760 --> 15:26.760]  And what the City Council was doing at his behest
[15:26.760 --> 15:34.760]  was trying to implement an ordinance that would basically redefine our neighborhood
[15:34.760 --> 15:39.760]  to where lot sizes could be as small as 2500 feet
[15:39.760 --> 15:47.760]  The lot itself, right now the smallest lot size that's allowable is 5700 square feet
[15:47.760 --> 15:49.760]  and most of them are about 7500
[15:49.760 --> 15:52.760]  And so he was trying to push this through
[15:52.760 --> 15:53.760]  And there were big excuses
[15:53.760 --> 15:55.760]  Well, we want to just do this all over the city
[15:55.760 --> 15:56.760]  And what's the big deal?
[15:56.760 --> 15:58.760]  Because you all live in an older neighborhood
[15:58.760 --> 16:02.760]  and the lots are already defined, the houses are already built, blah, blah, blah
[16:02.760 --> 16:04.760]  And I said, well, what the big deal is
[16:04.760 --> 16:10.760]  is that developers could come in and one by one buy up every house on a block
[16:10.760 --> 16:13.760]  and then just mow down the whole thing
[16:13.760 --> 16:18.760]  and then cut it up again with brand new lots with teeny tiny houses
[16:18.760 --> 16:25.760]  and take a block that used to have like maybe 10 houses in a row on the block
[16:25.760 --> 16:28.760]  and now it would have like 18 houses on the block
[16:28.760 --> 16:32.760]  And I'm like, no, we're looking long-term here
[16:32.760 --> 16:36.760]  because if I wanted to live in Chicago, I'd move there, all right?
[16:36.760 --> 16:39.760]  I live here because the lot sizes are reasonable
[16:39.760 --> 16:41.760]  So yeah, we beat them though
[16:41.760 --> 16:43.760]  We got a petition and we beat it
[16:43.760 --> 16:47.760]  It required a supermajority vote of the City Council and we won
[16:47.760 --> 16:51.760]  So we have beat that guy down before and we'll do it again
[16:51.760 --> 16:55.760]  But yeah, at any rate, we've got to put a stop to this
[16:55.760 --> 16:59.760]  So what is the deal with this guy who's sponsoring this bill?
[16:59.760 --> 17:02.760]  Are the feds offering any money to implement this
[17:02.760 --> 17:06.760]  or is the whole thing going to have to be funded by the state?
[17:06.760 --> 17:08.760]  See, here's the thing
[17:08.760 --> 17:11.760]  There was a TechDOT meeting the week prior to that
[17:11.760 --> 17:18.760]  We had a very small lobbying effort, public lobbying effort on the 6th
[17:18.760 --> 17:28.760]  And we met in front of TechDOT as they were deciding the terms of endearment due to the bailout
[17:28.760 --> 17:31.760]  And I don't know what was in the bailout
[17:31.760 --> 17:33.760]  Nobody gets to know what's in the bailout
[17:33.760 --> 17:43.760]  And I could confer with, you know, my associate, you know, somewhat libertarian associate Dan Patrick
[17:43.760 --> 17:48.760]  Dan Patrick's always also fishing out some bills that are pretty scary about identity
[17:48.760 --> 17:51.760]  And I don't know why he's doing it, but you know
[17:51.760 --> 17:55.760]  At least he's been looking at our legislation
[17:55.760 --> 17:58.760]  But it's either kill or be killed
[17:58.760 --> 18:03.760]  And with this legislation, this particular real ID legislation
[18:03.760 --> 18:08.760]  Our attitude needs to be we need to kill it, not to make amendments
[18:08.760 --> 18:09.760]  Right
[18:09.760 --> 18:14.760]  I think that that is the best determination that we can put to it
[18:14.760 --> 18:19.760]  Because it is following chain to the federal real ID act
[18:19.760 --> 18:24.760]  And the rationale I got from Mary's office today was that
[18:24.760 --> 18:31.760]  Well, it's federal legislation, we're going to have to play ball eventually
[18:31.760 --> 18:34.760]  You know, and the thing is that we don't though
[18:34.760 --> 18:35.760]  No, we don't
[18:35.760 --> 18:41.760]  So it's voluntary legislation and that is what they need to know
[18:41.760 --> 18:45.760]  We have a concurrent resolution through 511 that hasn't been picked up yet
[18:45.760 --> 18:51.760]  Because we've got to find somebody with the very large cajones made from iron
[18:51.760 --> 18:56.760]  And a critical backbone to carry the cajones of iron
[18:56.760 --> 19:00.760]  And we haven't found that person yet to do this for us
[19:00.760 --> 19:03.760]  And we may need two
[19:03.760 --> 19:09.760]  So we're talking to a couple of people who want to toss, you know, their names and hats
[19:09.760 --> 19:14.760]  You know, as joint authors and say, okay, let's shove this boulder up the hill
[19:14.760 --> 19:16.760]  And try to go against the fed
[19:16.760 --> 19:18.760]  And it's difficult
[19:18.760 --> 19:25.760]  Politically, it's impossible because there is just enough immigration in the real ID act
[19:25.760 --> 19:29.760]  To just be very, very, very difficult
[19:29.760 --> 19:31.760]  Completely, almost completely unwieldy
[19:31.760 --> 19:35.760]  Well, you know, the whole thing about, oh, it's federal legislation, we have to go along
[19:35.760 --> 19:37.760]  No, they don't, who cares?
[19:37.760 --> 19:39.760]  Just because the feds pass the law
[19:39.760 --> 19:43.760]  And the states don't want to go along with it or don't pass concurrent legislation
[19:43.760 --> 19:44.760]  What are they going to do?
[19:44.760 --> 19:45.760]  Send a SWAT team
[19:45.760 --> 19:50.760]  The feds are going to send a SWAT team to the Capitol and force our legislators at gunpoint to pass the law
[19:50.760 --> 19:51.760]  Give me a break
[19:51.760 --> 19:52.760]  They don't have to do it
[19:52.760 --> 19:55.760]  That's a bunch of horse hockey
[19:55.760 --> 19:57.760]  Well, that's why we have a 10th Amendment
[19:57.760 --> 20:02.760]  And conveniently, a lot of these people have forgotten about the 10th Amendment
[20:02.760 --> 20:03.760]  Yeah, what about that?
[20:03.760 --> 20:11.760]  I go into these legislators' offices and they're like, don't you know that federal legislation trumps state legislation?
[20:11.760 --> 20:13.760]  It really doesn't
[20:13.760 --> 20:15.760]  No, it doesn't
[20:15.760 --> 20:16.760]  You know, we have rights
[20:16.760 --> 20:24.760]  And this actually, what is most important to know about the Real ID Act is that it's voluntary
[20:24.760 --> 20:30.760]  And the compulsory language, this is part of informing the legislators
[20:30.760 --> 20:33.760]  It's a voluntary act and we don't have to adopt it
[20:33.760 --> 20:44.760]  But this one, 4036, is adoption and we don't need to adopt the entitlement that comes with the Real ID Act
[20:44.760 --> 20:55.760]  And the entitlement goes, your identity in a national to international database managed by information analysis centers or fusion centers
[20:55.760 --> 21:08.760]  That are the same, they're basically the same pot of people that we're saying Ron Paul followers and libertarians and people who oppose radio frequency ID chips are terrorists
[21:08.760 --> 21:09.760]  Exactly
[21:09.760 --> 21:16.760]  It's the same pot of people, so you can't allow those people to move forward on your behalf
[21:16.760 --> 21:18.760]  Yeah, exactly
[21:18.760 --> 21:19.760]  Stop
[21:19.760 --> 21:27.760]  Well, Sheila, when is, okay, we were talking about this on the break, when is the hearing?
[21:27.760 --> 21:31.760]  This seems to be somewhat of a nebulous issue
[21:31.760 --> 21:37.760]  See, this is how public input works and a forum is different from a hearing
[21:37.760 --> 21:43.760]  So I don't want to dissuade anybody because I actually asked Katie about this
[21:43.760 --> 21:51.760]  And we had kind of a little conference between the two of us because it wasn't intended to go this direction
[21:51.760 --> 21:58.760]  We found on a Wednesday morning of this week that they were dropping hearings on Real ID
[21:58.760 --> 21:59.760]  Right
[21:59.760 --> 22:09.760]  So they are fast tracking this bill and I don't know if it was, you know, simple engineering that they knew what was going on in town
[22:09.760 --> 22:18.760]  But what it looks like is that, you know, the draw for what we were doing might get sucked into Art Acevedo's thing
[22:18.760 --> 22:20.760]  So it's like Jack Booth Monday
[22:20.760 --> 22:24.760]  Yeah, no kidding
[22:24.760 --> 22:29.760]  So you have to pick between fascism one or fascism two, you know
[22:29.760 --> 22:35.760]  Well, so Sheila, the thing is, is that the actual time of this hearing, there is no set time
[22:35.760 --> 22:42.760]  You have to get your butt up there at like 730 in the morning and sit around and wait and it could be hours
[22:42.760 --> 22:45.760]  I mean, it could be into the afternoon before they find out
[22:45.760 --> 22:47.760]  No, no, no, let me clear that up
[22:47.760 --> 22:50.760]  The hearing would start at approximately 2 p.m.
[22:50.760 --> 22:52.760]  Oh, okay, okay, okay
[22:52.760 --> 22:56.760]  And the hearing for 4036 is at the end
[22:56.760 --> 22:57.760]  Okay, okay
[22:57.760 --> 23:08.760]  So if they get through the rest of the bills and Cold Court has a really weird bill in there that's like Texas, you know, emergency management
[23:08.760 --> 23:10.760]  It would be FEMA instead of FEMA
[23:10.760 --> 23:12.760]  Oh boy, oh boy
[23:12.760 --> 23:16.760]  That's why I'm calling it Jack Booth Monday, it's ridiculous
[23:16.760 --> 23:23.760]  And let me guess, let me guess, how much you want to bet they're going to push it and push it to be as late as possible
[23:23.760 --> 23:27.760]  Because they know that people are going to want to be at this other hearing for city council
[23:27.760 --> 23:29.760]  Let me tell you something, I've got an anecdote for you
[23:29.760 --> 23:34.760]  I rocked until the break of dawn during the voter ID business
[23:34.760 --> 23:38.760]  Do you remember that voter ID devicle where they waited until 10 o'clock, 10 a.m. the next morning?
[23:38.760 --> 23:39.760]  Wow
[23:39.760 --> 23:43.760]  And I would have never been there except for Mr. Kirk Watson going
[23:43.760 --> 23:49.760]  I think real ID needs to be hit to the voter ID due to the Carter Baker Act
[23:49.760 --> 23:59.760]  I would have gone home at 5, but because he said that I had to stick around and actually threw in his palette about 2 o'clock in the morning
[23:59.760 --> 24:06.760]  And hand wrote 40 copies of a handwritten testimony and handed it in
[24:06.760 --> 24:13.760]  Because I couldn't take it anymore, they were so inconsiderate, so they don't play nice in Texas politics
[24:13.760 --> 24:21.760]  No, they don't and they purposefully will make people wait and wait and wait all night long, 2 o'clock in the morning, 6 o'clock in the morning
[24:21.760 --> 24:30.760]  The next day to discourage people so that when it does come time to have debate and public input, there won't be anybody there
[24:30.760 --> 24:32.760]  They do it on purpose
[24:32.760 --> 24:36.760]  Here's my strategy, I've got a good idea
[24:36.760 --> 24:42.760]  If you go to 511campaign.org, it will help you manage your expectations
[24:42.760 --> 24:48.760]  What we're doing is we've got a link up there that's already set for the day's online proceedings
[24:48.760 --> 24:53.760]  So you can watch the proceedings online through live streaming
[24:53.760 --> 24:58.760]  So when they call for the bill, they're going to read the bill and they're going to start the initial proceedings
[24:58.760 --> 25:05.760]  So say you were at the forum, you have one friend that's actually, you divide up the labor
[25:05.760 --> 25:12.760]  Okay, you get one friend of yours to go to the hearing to watch for 4036, maybe I'm your friend
[25:12.760 --> 25:26.760]  And then I'll call over to the Osso Veto input or forum and let everybody know they're going to start doing public input for the 4036
[25:26.760 --> 25:37.760]  So when people are done giving their input at the forum, they just, you know, hightail it to the capital and then get in line, fill out a card and do their thing
[25:37.760 --> 25:47.760]  If you don't want to be in a big civic train of political activity, what I would recommend is documenting your testimony
[25:47.760 --> 25:53.760]  Definitely know the issue, read the bill, read 4036, become very well acquainted with it
[25:53.760 --> 26:03.760]  We have some key tips and ideas, top points to acquaint yourself with, you know, incidentally with the issue of real ID
[26:03.760 --> 26:07.760]  And why it's so dangerous for your identity to be attached to it at this time
[26:07.760 --> 26:19.760]  And if you go to 511campaign.org, there's a guide there and you click on the link and then it redirects you to beatthechip.blogspot.com
[26:19.760 --> 26:27.760]  And then it gives you a guide to engineering your input on a night when so much is going on
[26:27.760 --> 26:33.760]  So Sheila, you think that they're going to push it so late that it definitely is going to overlap into the Osso Veto thing?
[26:33.760 --> 26:37.760]  I don't know. I think they would. I wouldn't put it past them.
[26:37.760 --> 26:39.760]  I think they will do on purpose
[26:39.760 --> 26:41.760]  Yeah, I wouldn't put it past them
[26:41.760 --> 26:49.760]  So that's why we're having this conversation and that's why I had a conversation with Katie is that, you know, we have
[26:49.760 --> 26:53.760]  Wait, hold on. We're talking about Katie Brewer here from Campaign for Liberty, right?
[26:53.760 --> 26:58.760]  That's right. Tag. That's right.
[26:58.760 --> 27:07.760]  Yes. Now you're saying that people can, you're recommending that people submit written testimony for this as well?
[27:07.760 --> 27:13.760]  They should have written testimony anyway. It's more impactful and it stays in the record.
[27:13.760 --> 27:24.760]  There is, and that is a legal tenet. I'm glad that Randy's around. I don't know where he is on the show, but Randy, are you there?
[27:24.760 --> 27:26.760]  Yeah, I'm here.
[27:26.760 --> 27:42.760]  You've been very quiet. Would you concur that the written testimony holds more weight than sitting up there and, you know, raging with your version of a bullhorn on their mic?
[27:42.760 --> 27:50.760]  Everybody comes in and harps and gripes. Written testimony is by far more powerful.
[27:50.760 --> 27:58.760]  But are the written testimonies read in the public hearing or do they just like toss them in a stack and maybe not even look at them?
[27:58.760 --> 28:10.760]  The problem with written testimony is they have a way of coming back to haunt you. When you run for campaign, when you do anything people don't like you,
[28:10.760 --> 28:22.760]  especially if they try to pass something that turns out to be very unpopular. Then people pull out the written testimony and say, this is what I gave him and this is what he did.
[28:22.760 --> 28:39.760]  Well, yeah, but what I'm saying, my question is in the public hearing itself, are these written testimonies read aloud in the public hearing or are they, because what I'm saying is do they may not even look at them if they don't want to just toss them in a stack? That's what I'm asking.
[28:39.760 --> 28:41.760]  No, they don't read them aloud in the-
[28:41.760 --> 28:44.760]  Do they? Well, I wonder if they read them at all.
[28:44.760 --> 28:59.760]  Well, they do. I talked to the committee clerk and it is entered into public record. That is the purpose of the hearing. So in good faith, if you're going to make the effort, they're not going to just toss your statements in a stack.
[28:59.760 --> 29:00.760]  Good.
[29:00.760 --> 29:28.760]  And I'll tell you what, the written statement has a lot of, you know, basically sniper capability. Instead of having a line of people that keep them there until 3 o'clock in the morning to raise signs and rant and scream, if we do this smart, basically one person can come in, fill out a card, hand over their written, like 11 copies of their written testimony, and go home and have dinner.
[29:28.760 --> 29:34.760]  And then they call their names, they pass out the testimony, everyone gets a copy, and then it becomes part of public record.
[29:34.760 --> 29:42.760]  That's great. Okay, Sheila, I know you said you wanted to give us a half an hour. Would you please stick around for just a few more minutes so we can finish this up?
[29:42.760 --> 29:43.760]  Absolutely.
[29:43.760 --> 29:58.760]  All right. All right. You're listening to the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on RuleOfLawRadio.com. We'll be right back.
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[31:48.760 --> 32:09.760]  All right. We don't want no chip. We don't want no real ID. We're not going to put up with it. We're not going to stand for it. That's some Three Shoes Posse for you. My band, Three Shoes Posse.
[32:09.760 --> 32:24.760]  We're giving the bad guys three shoes, two on their feet, and one in the derriere. You know where. So 511campaign.org is doing. That's what we're doing here on Rule of Law Radio Network, ruleoflawradio.com.
[32:24.760 --> 32:39.760]  Okay. So Sheila, if you would please give us some instructions, what people need to do, what are some tips for writing a written testimony, how long should it be, where they need to go to submit it, all this kind of thing.
[32:39.760 --> 32:47.760]  And then we're going to bring Dan Reel into the conversation. Dan from Connecticut. I'm sure he's got some input on this issue as well. So go ahead, Sheila.
[32:47.760 --> 33:00.760]  Well, if you go to 511campaign.org, there's a big red link that says how you can testify against the federal ID in Texas. Click here.
[33:00.760 --> 33:18.760]  You go there and you click on the link. It'll bring up a page. It's the Beat the Chip Blog, which is a news blog against definitely biased against the federal ID and the real ID and all things chippy and fascist.
[33:18.760 --> 33:34.760]  So there is a guide there of what to expect, how to dress, and I mean dress appropriately. Don't come in, you know, your sandals and jeans and an old T-shirt.
[33:34.760 --> 33:50.760]  While this is a move of the people, it's not necessarily a move of the unwashed masses. Please come dressed in a collared shirt if you're a man, bathed, attired appropriately.
[33:50.760 --> 33:59.760]  And most people are coming home from work when they would stop off at a hearing and enter in public input.
[33:59.760 --> 34:09.760]  Now it's pretty casual. You come in to E-2014, which is an extension room inside of the Texas Capitol.
[34:09.760 --> 34:18.760]  You take the elevator down and then find the room on E-2014.
[34:18.760 --> 34:36.760]  From there you go inside the room and there's a clerk who is in front of the entire committee panel and there will be like nine public safety representatives who are there seated who are hearing testimony, maybe for other bills, maybe for this bill.
[34:36.760 --> 34:50.760]  But you would sign a card. He would give you a card and you would mark on it for or in favor of, opposed, or neither, or to just offer information.
[34:50.760 --> 35:09.760]  So you can do one or none or all of the above, but in a written testimony it gives you the option for spoken or written. And you can mark an X on the written or you can do both, spoken and written.
[35:09.760 --> 35:26.760]  I will probably do spoken and written. So if you'd like to stick around and speak and speak your mind and make them feel the intensity of your emotions about the issue, then stick around and give a spoken testimony.
[35:26.760 --> 35:34.760]  If you really need it to be legally impactful, definitely bring a written testimony.
[35:34.760 --> 35:47.760]  Okay, go ahead. For our keys for bringing written testimony is to read the bill. It's very simple. Read the legislation you oppose. Be aware of it. Understand it. Know it.
[35:47.760 --> 35:56.760]  And that's why we're doing this on a Friday night. So it's not like this is how you wanted to spend your weekend, but if you prize your identity, this is what we've got to do.
[35:56.760 --> 36:11.760]  We've got to work together and maybe team up with somebody who is better at this than you are and go through the bill together and pick out the parts that really make you angry and understand what they are.
[36:11.760 --> 36:30.760]  From there, we have talking points down at the bottom of the guide that will help you kind of form the ideas and main ideas about the Real ID Act that have been around and that will help you in your attack to kill this bad bill.
[36:30.760 --> 36:41.760]  So you would then take out the sheet of paper or get on your word processing program, and it doesn't have to be long. It could be long. It could be exhaustive.
[36:41.760 --> 36:51.760]  But as long as it's accurate and impactful, you can give a 20-page document and that can be your written testimony.
[36:51.760 --> 37:05.760]  It can be a page and a half. It can be four paragraphs. But as long as it's your testimony and you mean it and it's from you, you can put your name and your address on the written testimony.
[37:05.760 --> 37:18.760]  But I think it would be most impactful to have your name, your address, and who your representative is on the written testimony, and you also indicate that on your card.
[37:18.760 --> 37:27.760]  It will ask you the name of the bill that you're testifying against, and it would be HB4036.
[37:27.760 --> 37:35.760]  So I'm going to be hanging around, skulking around to help you in any way I possibly can find this.
[37:35.760 --> 37:54.760]  Now, Sheila, I have a couple of questions. Number one, would it also be a good idea to CC a copy of your written testimony to your state representative and senator? And also, my second question is, can you file a written testimony or submit a written testimony for someone else?
[37:54.760 --> 38:00.760]  Because I'm not going to be able to go down there on Monday. I have to work all day. I can't get out of it. I've already tried.
[38:00.760 --> 38:09.760]  And then as soon as I get off work, I've got to haul booty down to City Hall and set up to broadcast. So I'm going to need somebody else to submit my testimony.
[38:09.760 --> 38:31.760]  Yes, you can. And like in Deborah's case, Deborah could send me her testimony and indicate on the testimony I authorized Sheila Dean to deliver my testimony in my stead and print it out, hand it off to me at the Capitol, and then hightail it to the forum.
[38:31.760 --> 38:38.760]  Excellent. Excellent. And what about CCing the copies to your state rep and senator?
[38:38.760 --> 38:44.760]  Absolutely. Tom completely recommended it. That's a brilliant idea.
[38:44.760 --> 38:55.760]  Wonderful. Absolutely. Okay. In case this thing passes committee, then our reps and our senators already know how we feel about this, and we've given them a heads up in case they don't know anything about it.
[38:55.760 --> 39:03.760]  Okay. I want to bring Dan Reel into the conversation now. Dan, thanks for calling in. You have some input on this situation?
[39:03.760 --> 39:14.760]  I definitely do. And I actually had a question unrelated to it, but I did want to give you some funny news first. I found my first misspelling in online statutes.
[39:14.760 --> 39:16.760]  Wow. Okay.
[39:16.760 --> 39:35.760]  Yeah, that would be Connecticut General Statute Section 53202L armor piercing and incendiary 50 caliber ammunition. And if you go to Part 3 of that, the transfer by bequest or interstate succession of such ammunition.
[39:35.760 --> 39:41.760]  I don't know what interstate means, but I know what interstate means.
[39:41.760 --> 39:47.760]  I-N-T-A? No, I-N-T-E state.
[39:47.760 --> 39:49.760]  In-T state.
[39:49.760 --> 39:51.760]  In-T state.
[39:51.760 --> 39:54.760]  Maybe that means intestate.
[39:54.760 --> 39:57.760]  Good. But as far as the written test...
[39:57.760 --> 39:59.760]  Is that a real word?
[39:59.760 --> 40:01.760]  Intestate, yes.
[40:01.760 --> 40:02.760]  Intestate?
[40:02.760 --> 40:07.760]  That means after you dip.
[40:07.760 --> 40:14.760]  Well, they are talking about incendiary ammunition. I'm not sure what this is going to go to if they ever tried to charge anybody with this.
[40:14.760 --> 40:21.760]  But as far as the written testimony goes, yes, it is way more effective from my experience.
[40:21.760 --> 40:26.760]  I actually did, by the way, dress up nice. It really works and it really impresses them.
[40:26.760 --> 40:35.760]  But what also impresses them is if they're doing something that could possibly perjure their oath of office, do let them know in the written testimony.
[40:35.760 --> 40:37.760]  I actually...
[40:37.760 --> 40:44.760]  Yeah, I did that, and it was great fun. We had six Capitol policemen in the room.
[40:44.760 --> 40:51.760]  And I did call ahead, by the way, and I said, if you find any reason to drag the state senator out, please do so.
[40:51.760 --> 40:54.760]  I'm just going to let you know in advance.
[40:54.760 --> 40:56.760]  And he didn't testify very long.
[40:56.760 --> 41:04.760]  He just basically said his spiel about ammunition coding, and he got up and left very abruptly.
[41:04.760 --> 41:08.760]  Oh, yes, it was great fun.
[41:08.760 --> 41:10.760]  Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to speak.
[41:10.760 --> 41:16.760]  They did lump that bill in with a whole bunch of others and a whole bunch of bills concerning gay marriage.
[41:16.760 --> 41:19.760]  So the room was packed.
[41:19.760 --> 41:22.760]  I got there about 9 in the morning.
[41:22.760 --> 41:25.760]  I did, you know, they require 50 copies.
[41:25.760 --> 41:30.760]  I gave them 70, you know, just to make the point.
[41:30.760 --> 41:40.760]  But you can probably find it online if you Google Connecticut General Assembly proposed Senate Bill 603 and 607.
[41:40.760 --> 41:43.760]  Yeah, and use exquick, not Google, by the way.
[41:43.760 --> 41:48.760]  Oh, well, exquick. You can exquick that.
[41:48.760 --> 41:49.760]  Excellent.
[41:49.760 --> 41:50.760]  Excellent.
[41:50.760 --> 41:53.760]  As far as writing, though, goes, be concise, more is less.
[41:53.760 --> 42:00.760]  I mean, that's the best suggestion I can make as somebody who makes his living by writing all the time.
[42:00.760 --> 42:02.760]  It really works.
[42:02.760 --> 42:09.760]  And I included, you know, for the gun thing, I actually included a quote from a death camp survivor,
[42:09.760 --> 42:12.760]  which, you know, he was obviously very much in favor of it.
[42:12.760 --> 42:17.760]  And if you can find anything like that, I would definitely use it if I were you.
[42:17.760 --> 42:20.760]  But my question, though, had to do with something else.
[42:20.760 --> 42:23.760]  I don't know if you wanted me to hold on it or, you know, just...
[42:23.760 --> 42:24.760]  Yeah, why don't you hold?
[42:24.760 --> 42:26.760]  Because Sheila has limited time tonight.
[42:26.760 --> 42:29.760]  So if you want to hang on the line, that would be great, Dan.
[42:29.760 --> 42:30.760]  I really appreciate it.
[42:30.760 --> 42:31.760]  Sure thing.
[42:31.760 --> 42:33.760]  You might want to meet, why not?
[42:33.760 --> 42:35.760]  I'll put you on speakerphone and just let you know when you're ready.
[42:35.760 --> 42:36.760]  Okay, thanks.
[42:36.760 --> 42:41.760]  Okay, so getting back to Sheila here, she's decided to give us a few extra minutes.
[42:41.760 --> 42:50.760]  Okay, so bottom line is people need to go down there on Monday or somehow submit a written testimony.
[42:50.760 --> 42:54.760]  Sheila, could people email the testimonies to you ahead of time?
[42:54.760 --> 42:55.760]  Yes, they can.
[42:55.760 --> 42:56.760]  Okay.
[42:56.760 --> 42:57.760]  Si se puede.
[42:57.760 --> 42:58.760]  Yes.
[42:58.760 --> 42:59.760]  Yes, you can.
[42:59.760 --> 43:00.760]  Okay, absolutely.
[43:00.760 --> 43:01.760]  And I would love it.
[43:01.760 --> 43:03.760]  I would love it if you would give me.
[43:03.760 --> 43:11.760]  But please indicate that you are giving me permission to submit your testimony, and I will do so.
[43:11.760 --> 43:18.760]  Okay, so people, if you cannot go to the hearing, because this is short notice, and they do this on purpose,
[43:18.760 --> 43:22.760]  now they have to give 48 hours notice according to the Open Meetings Act.
[43:22.760 --> 43:26.760]  But typically when there are hot issues like this,
[43:26.760 --> 43:29.760]  they just want to ram it through committee as fast as possible
[43:29.760 --> 43:32.760]  and not give the public very much a chance to respond.
[43:32.760 --> 43:33.760]  I'm sorry.
[43:33.760 --> 43:34.760]  We're going to a break.
[43:34.760 --> 43:37.760]  Sheila, if you could just hang on for a few more minutes just so we could wrap up here
[43:37.760 --> 43:40.760]  and give people the contact information again.
[43:40.760 --> 43:42.760]  Just give us a couple minutes on the other side, please.
[43:42.760 --> 43:43.760]  Is that all right?
[43:43.760 --> 43:44.760]  That's good.
[43:44.760 --> 43:45.760]  Okay, great.
[43:45.760 --> 43:46.760]  We'll be right back.
[43:46.760 --> 43:50.760]  This is the rule of law, ruleoflawradio.com.
[43:50.760 --> 43:51.760]  We'll be right back.
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[45:27.760 --> 45:31.760]  Look one look at him, he acts like a Christian
[45:31.760 --> 45:41.760]  Don't know what to lie, don't have the answer Open up, baby, he reacts like a Christian
[45:41.760 --> 45:46.760]  Look one look at him, and they don't have the answer
[45:46.760 --> 45:48.760]  What's up and sniff this lie?
[45:48.760 --> 45:53.760]  I'm talking about me, just to see, Lord, how they want me to fix it easy
[45:53.760 --> 45:58.760]  They're talking way too politically and they're getting mad and angry
[45:58.760 --> 46:03.760]  They're not standing up and fighting, fighting for the freedom and the freedom
[46:03.760 --> 46:08.760]  And they let them love slavery and get handouts from the government
[46:08.760 --> 46:11.760]  We are the Christians
[46:11.760 --> 46:18.760]  Don't know what to lie, don't have the answer
[46:18.760 --> 46:22.760]  All right, we asked the questions and they just don't want to answer.
[46:22.760 --> 46:27.760]  More Three Shoes Posse music for you.
[46:27.760 --> 46:31.760]  They put us on the slippery slidey slope, but the tables are about to get turned.
[46:31.760 --> 46:36.760]  Okay, so Sheila Dean from 511campaign.org is with us.
[46:36.760 --> 46:40.760]  She's decided to stay with us a few extra minutes to wrap things up.
[46:40.760 --> 46:45.760]  And Sheila, for people listening out here who aren't necessarily in Texas,
[46:45.760 --> 46:51.760]  I still believe that this is very good information education here,
[46:51.760 --> 46:57.760]  a model for people to follow in their own states when similar legislation comes up.
[46:57.760 --> 47:00.760]  Yes, because this will be coming to a theater near you.
[47:00.760 --> 47:06.760]  Absolutely, it most certainly will be coming to a theater near you and your legislature coming soon.
[47:06.760 --> 47:13.760]  And also I just wanted to say as far as like the bills and the committee hearings and stuff like that,
[47:13.760 --> 47:19.760]  in Texas you can get notification if you go to the Texas Legislature website
[47:19.760 --> 47:25.760]  and sign up on email lists for different committees to be emailed
[47:25.760 --> 47:28.760]  and notified when these public hearings come up because, you know, like I said,
[47:28.760 --> 47:31.760]  generally they only get 48 hours notice.
[47:31.760 --> 47:38.760]  So Sheila, just any wrap up that you want to give us, you know, just general information about this,
[47:38.760 --> 47:41.760]  how people can contact you, give out your website again,
[47:41.760 --> 47:47.760]  and just give us your closing comments on all of this.
[47:47.760 --> 47:54.760]  I just want people to be in touch with their sense of empowerment about this issue.
[47:54.760 --> 48:01.760]  And many times when it comes to going down to this place as intimidating as the Capitol,
[48:01.760 --> 48:04.760]  they feel inadequate and unprepared.
[48:04.760 --> 48:12.760]  And so part of my job as an advocate is to help you achieve a level of comfort about being prepared,
[48:12.760 --> 48:15.760]  about how you really feel about the issue.
[48:15.760 --> 48:20.760]  So I'm going to point you to 511campaign.org.
[48:20.760 --> 48:23.760]  There's legislation and documentation.
[48:23.760 --> 48:31.760]  That page will give you some stellar ammo if you spend time there looking at the details
[48:31.760 --> 48:37.760]  and looking through the research about this particular bill.
[48:37.760 --> 48:39.760]  But don't waste your time.
[48:39.760 --> 48:43.760]  Make sure that you know what's in the bill and what to attack
[48:43.760 --> 48:46.760]  and what you don't like about the bill.
[48:46.760 --> 48:55.760]  And what we don't like about the bill is that it attributes citizenship to our licenses,
[48:55.760 --> 49:01.760]  which nationalizes our identity and nationalizes the ID card.
[49:01.760 --> 49:05.760]  You said that earlier in the show, and I was going to ask you to explain that.
[49:05.760 --> 49:12.760]  What do you mean by that, that it attributes our citizenship to your ID card or your license?
[49:12.760 --> 49:14.760]  What exactly does that mean?
[49:14.760 --> 49:18.760]  It means that they're going to say, is a U.S. citizen.
[49:18.760 --> 49:23.760]  It seems very benign, but that's what makes it a national ID card.
[49:23.760 --> 49:26.760]  Oh, okay.
[49:26.760 --> 49:32.760]  Now does that mean that people who are immigrants don't have to do this?
[49:32.760 --> 49:39.760]  I think it would be immigrants have their own identity documents that are given to them.
[49:39.760 --> 49:42.760]  If they're legal, let's just talk about legal immigration.
[49:42.760 --> 49:54.760]  If you are a legal immigrant, then you have sufficient documentation that substantiates your reckoning of citizenship.
[49:54.760 --> 49:58.760]  So what would it say on those people's driver's licenses?
[49:58.760 --> 50:00.760]  This is going to be incorporating the driver's license, correct?
[50:00.760 --> 50:02.760]  Yes.
[50:02.760 --> 50:08.760]  So do they just not even have to go through this system at all if they're an immigrant?
[50:08.760 --> 50:14.760]  Well, they do have to go through the system if they're going to drive, but that's not the point.
[50:14.760 --> 50:18.760]  A driver's license is to operate a motor vehicle.
[50:18.760 --> 50:20.760]  Yeah, no kidding.
[50:20.760 --> 50:29.760]  See, we're making it way too complicated, and if we speak to achieve simplicity in government,
[50:29.760 --> 50:37.760]  the entitlements are continuing and they're hitching everything to identity cards.
[50:37.760 --> 50:41.760]  If you don't get an identity card, they don't have a grip on you.
[50:41.760 --> 50:43.760]  Yeah, right.
[50:43.760 --> 50:48.760]  But we need a license if we want to travel, if we want to drive.
[50:48.760 --> 50:58.760]  They are definitely in the mindset of trying to license our rights and turn them into privileges, that's for sure.
[50:58.760 --> 51:00.760]  And they don't have the right to do that.
[51:00.760 --> 51:01.760]  No, they don't.
[51:01.760 --> 51:08.760]  They have to have our consent, and they don't, and don't you dare give them your consent on real ID.
[51:08.760 --> 51:10.760]  This is a voluntary mandate.
[51:10.760 --> 51:15.760]  You tell them, no, thank you, and that's what the hearing is about.
[51:15.760 --> 51:17.760]  Yeah, exactly.
[51:17.760 --> 51:25.760]  I'm available to the listeners that are concerned about the detail-oriented parts of this affair,
[51:25.760 --> 51:31.760]  and I'm asking you to go to the front page of our website, 511campaign.org.
[51:31.760 --> 51:33.760]  I'm going to give you my email.
[51:33.760 --> 51:39.760]  It is texas at 511campaign.org.
[51:39.760 --> 51:43.760]  Email me your written testimony or any questions you have.
[51:43.760 --> 51:49.760]  I'll help you as much as I can, and we'll win this fight together.
[51:49.760 --> 51:51.760]  Well, you got it, and I'll be reading that bill.
[51:51.760 --> 51:53.760]  Give out the bill number again.
[51:53.760 --> 51:57.760]  It's HB4036.
[51:57.760 --> 51:59.760]  HB4036, and where can people go to read that?
[51:59.760 --> 52:01.760]  Is there a link to it on your website?
[52:01.760 --> 52:04.760]  Yes, there's links all over the place on our website.
[52:04.760 --> 52:05.760]  Excellent.
[52:05.760 --> 52:09.760]  So people, just in a nutshell, go to 511campaign.org,
[52:09.760 --> 52:12.760]  and there's links and instructions there for everything.
[52:12.760 --> 52:17.760]  And Sheila, I will definitely be emailing you my written testimony by the end of the weekend.
[52:17.760 --> 52:20.760]  All right.
[52:20.760 --> 52:22.760]  Randy, what do you have to say about this?
[52:22.760 --> 52:30.760]  If you want to get a good feel for your sovereignty and how powerful you can be,
[52:30.760 --> 52:36.760]  just go down there and corner one of your legislators and crawl down his throat,
[52:36.760 --> 52:43.760]  stomping your feet all the way down, and watch him squirm and do his little chicken dance,
[52:43.760 --> 52:46.760]  and you'll find out they're people just like we are,
[52:46.760 --> 52:51.760]  and they're subject to our frustrations and our angers.
[52:51.760 --> 52:57.760]  And just to be realistic, those hearings, they don't want us there because we are so powerful.
[52:57.760 --> 52:58.760]  Exactly.
[52:58.760 --> 53:00.760]  That's why they give us such short notice.
[53:00.760 --> 53:05.760]  I stood in one of those hearings, and this woman crawled down their throat,
[53:05.760 --> 53:09.760]  and they're telling her her time is up, and she just kept crawling down their throat,
[53:09.760 --> 53:13.760]  and you could see them all loosening their ties and squirming in their seats.
[53:13.760 --> 53:14.760]  Oh, dude.
[53:14.760 --> 53:17.760]  Listen, I've got to tell you just a quick story here.
[53:17.760 --> 53:25.760]  At a Campo meeting about a year or so ago when Kirk Watson had just become senator, right?
[53:25.760 --> 53:26.760]  Oh, our hero.
[53:26.760 --> 53:28.760]  Yeah, exactly.
[53:28.760 --> 53:34.760]  And one of the issues at that Campo meeting was they were going to vote
[53:34.760 --> 53:38.760]  to see who was going to be the next chairman of Campo,
[53:38.760 --> 53:42.760]  and Kirk Watson was gunning for the position, right?
[53:42.760 --> 53:48.760]  And there was about 1,200 people at this Campo meeting, right, at this hearing.
[53:48.760 --> 53:52.760]  This is about the toll roads, and it was mainly about the toll roads,
[53:52.760 --> 53:57.760]  about turning our freeways into toll roads, the roads that we've already paid for.
[53:57.760 --> 54:03.760]  But at any rate, so when it came time to vote for Kirk Watson to be the chairman
[54:03.760 --> 54:12.760]  and, you know, good old Krusey from, you know, representing the district up in Williamson County,
[54:12.760 --> 54:20.760]  he nominates Kirk Watson because that's his buddy, and the whole crowd, 1,200 people went,
[54:20.760 --> 54:28.760]  no, real loud, and Kirk Watson just nearly fell out of his chair, man,
[54:28.760 --> 54:30.760]  and he just hung his head in his hands.
[54:30.760 --> 54:32.760]  He wanted to crawl under that table, man.
[54:32.760 --> 54:33.760]  It was hilarious.
[54:33.760 --> 54:37.760]  So we really do have an impact on these people, for sure.
[54:37.760 --> 54:38.760]  We really do.
[54:38.760 --> 54:39.760]  Do you have that on tape?
[54:39.760 --> 54:40.760]  I'd like to see that.
[54:40.760 --> 54:41.760]  Oh, man.
[54:41.760 --> 54:42.760]  I don't.
[54:42.760 --> 54:43.760]  No, I don't.
[54:43.760 --> 54:44.760]  I don't.
[54:44.760 --> 54:48.760]  I don't know if they filmed it or audio recorded it or what, but it was absolutely hilarious.
[54:48.760 --> 54:50.760]  I mean, it wasn't a boo.
[54:50.760 --> 54:55.760]  It was like everyone went, no, it was just priceless.
[54:55.760 --> 54:58.760]  It was great.
[54:58.760 --> 55:00.760]  Oh, my God.
[55:00.760 --> 55:07.760]  Yeah, so I'll be emailing my testimony, and, Randy, are you going to try to go down there Monday?
[55:07.760 --> 55:08.760]  Yes.
[55:08.760 --> 55:09.760]  Wait a minute.
[55:09.760 --> 55:10.760]  Wait a minute.
[55:10.760 --> 55:12.760]  I wanted to say one other thing, too, about tips.
[55:12.760 --> 55:18.760]  Other good people to speak with at the Capitol are the aides of the representatives and the senators
[55:18.760 --> 55:21.760]  because they have been very helpful to me.
[55:21.760 --> 55:22.760]  It is Rodriguez.
[55:22.760 --> 55:23.760]  I'm sorry, not Gonzalez.
[55:23.760 --> 55:27.760]  That was my state rep, and they, a lot of times, if you just spend some time with them,
[55:27.760 --> 55:33.760]  they'll give you the inside scoop, really, and you find out that the aides are really on your side.
[55:33.760 --> 55:37.760]  A lot of the time, and the aides have a lot of pull with the representatives and the senators
[55:37.760 --> 55:43.760]  because they work for them, and, you know, the aides can, like, put things at the top of the pile,
[55:43.760 --> 55:47.760]  at the top of the stack, so to speak, you know, of the stack of papers
[55:47.760 --> 55:50.760]  that they have to give the reps, you know, things for them to do.
[55:50.760 --> 55:56.760]  They can put your stuff at the top, so get in good with the aides as well.
[55:56.760 --> 55:57.760]  Absolutely.
[55:57.760 --> 55:59.760]  That's stellar advice.
[55:59.760 --> 56:04.760]  Deborah, I have got to jump, but thank you so much for having me on the program.
[56:04.760 --> 56:08.760]  I really appreciate what you're doing for the rule of law,
[56:08.760 --> 56:18.760]  and I hope to see your written testimony along with Randy Kelton at Monday's hearing against HB4036.
[56:18.760 --> 56:23.760]  HB4036, and, yeah, it will be quite scathing, I guarantee you.
[56:23.760 --> 56:27.760]  All right, thank you so much for joining us this evening and giving us your time.
[56:27.760 --> 56:28.760]  You stayed extra.
[56:28.760 --> 56:30.760]  We appreciate the overtime, Sheila.
[56:30.760 --> 56:31.760]  We really do.
[56:31.760 --> 56:32.760]  All right.
[56:32.760 --> 56:33.760]  Always.
[56:33.760 --> 56:34.760]  Okay.
[56:34.760 --> 56:35.760]  You have a good night.
[56:35.760 --> 56:36.760]  I'll be talking to you soon.
[56:36.760 --> 56:37.760]  Bye.
[56:37.760 --> 56:38.760]  Bye.
[56:38.760 --> 56:39.760]  Okay.
[56:39.760 --> 56:40.760]  All right.
[56:40.760 --> 56:44.760]  That was Sheila Dean, 511campaign.org, talking about HB4036.
[56:44.760 --> 56:49.760]  They want to implement ReelID here in Texas, so we've got to stop it.
[56:49.760 --> 56:52.760]  We're going to bring Dan Reel back up.
[56:52.760 --> 56:54.760]  We only got a couple minutes left of this segment.
[56:54.760 --> 56:56.760]  Callers, we're going to open up the phone lines now.
[56:56.760 --> 57:03.760]  Callers, if you'd like to call in for any topic that happens to be on your mind, 512-646-1984.
[57:03.760 --> 57:06.760]  And we're going to go back to Dan now.
[57:06.760 --> 57:11.760]  Okay, Dan, any comments about the last issue, or you want to just jump straight to your question?
[57:11.760 --> 57:15.760]  As a matter of fact, you were just mentioning something that was on my mind with the aides.
[57:15.760 --> 57:21.760]  I've already got two of them that I've got a pretty good in with in Connecticut, and, you know, it does work.
[57:21.760 --> 57:22.760]  Yes.
[57:22.760 --> 57:23.760]  I can say that from experience.
[57:23.760 --> 57:28.760]  You know, they do get it to the pile, you know, to the top of the pile that they have to do.
[57:28.760 --> 57:34.760]  And I've already proven it based on my testimony I've submitted about ReelID.
[57:34.760 --> 57:38.760]  It was my state rep that, you know, did motion to make the vote on it.
[57:38.760 --> 57:45.760]  Well, yes, and especially if it's an issue that they themselves feel some way about as well.
[57:45.760 --> 57:54.760]  Yeah, I mean, fortunately for myself and my state rep, he actually did pay me a visit on the campaign trail.
[57:54.760 --> 57:55.760]  Wow.
[57:55.760 --> 58:00.760]  So I did get to talk to him a little bit about a bunch of stuff,
[58:00.760 --> 58:06.760]  but one of the things that I did mention was the ReelID thing, and he was the guy that motioned for a vote.
[58:06.760 --> 58:08.760]  Wow, excellent.
[58:08.760 --> 58:12.760]  All right, well, listen, Dan, we are at the top of the hour, going to break.
[58:12.760 --> 58:15.760]  We're going to run some PSAs here, and then when we get back,
[58:15.760 --> 58:18.760]  we'll be taking your calls and speaking some more with you, Dan.
[58:18.760 --> 58:20.760]  So just hang on the line, okay, Dan?
[58:20.760 --> 58:21.760]  Okay.
[58:21.760 --> 58:26.760]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[58:26.760 --> 58:29.760]  This is the rule of law on Rule of Law Radio.
[58:29.760 --> 58:33.760]  And folks, if you're out there listening on one of our affiliates,
[58:33.760 --> 58:39.760]  our plethora of AM and FM affiliates that we now have all over the place,
[58:39.760 --> 58:44.760]  we just added one in Minneapolis, please tune in and pull the stream from our website,
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[58:48.760 --> 59:17.760]  We'll be right back.
[59:17.760 --> 59:19.760]  We'll be right back.
[59:47.760 --> 01:00:00.760]  Identity concerns everyone.
[01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.760]  The federal real ID has changed its name many times.
[01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.760]  From border speed passes to enhanced driver's licenses,
[01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:14.760]  the federal national ID is seeking a Texas identity in Representative Merits Bill 4036.
[01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:19.760]  House Bill 4036 indicates nationality or citizenship on licenses,
[01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:24.760]  hence nationalizing identity cards, adds biometric facial files to your license,
[01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:27.760]  and maintains the build of a national database.
[01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:31.760]  If your privacy, identity security, personal sovereignty,
[01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:33.760]  and the Constitution concerns you,
[01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:37.760]  please offer your testimony during this crucial and important hearing,
[01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.760]  Monday after 2 p.m. at the Texas Capitol in Austin.
[01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.760]  This is your opportunity to change the destiny of your identity in Texas.
[01:00:46.760 --> 01:01:01.760]  For more information, visit 511campaign.org.
[01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.760]  Do you feel like you're shouting into the wind when it comes to speaking with politicians?
[01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.760]  Texans for Accountable Government believes your voices should be heard loud and clear.
[01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:13.760]  On Monday, March 30th, at 6 p.m. in the council chambers at Austin City Hall,
[01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.760]  Texans for Accountable Government will be hosting a public forum
[01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:18.760]  regarding police blood withdrawals.
[01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.760]  The forum will be sponsored by Councilmember Randy Shade,
[01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.760]  and will allow you, the people of Austin,
[01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:26.760]  the opportunity to express your opinion regarding whether or not you believe
[01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.760]  the city should take federal funds in order to train Austin police officers to withdraw blood.
[01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:33.760]  The panelists will include Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo,
[01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:40.760]  Mad State Executive Director Karen Housewright, City Councilmember Mike Martinez, ACLU Chapter President Debbie Russell,
[01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.760]  and Texans for Accountable Government Executive Director John Bush.
[01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.760]  The forum will be moderated by local Austin TV host David Koporowski,
[01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.760]  and open for questions from the public.
[01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:51.760]  Be there early as attendance is expected to be high.
[01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.760]  For more information, please visit tagtexas.org.
[01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.760]  Be there Monday, March 30th at 6 p.m. in Austin City Hall.
[01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:02.760]  This is our time to speak up and be heard.
[01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:08.760]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.760]  Live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:35.760]  All right.
[01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.760]  We're going to make them stop abusing their power.
[01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:45.760]  All right.
[01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:46.760]  More Three Shoes Posse for you.
[01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.760]  This is Deborah Stevens here with Randy Kelton.
[01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.760]  This is the Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:55.760]  All right.
[01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:56.760]  We are speaking.
[01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:58.760]  Tony Davis, our second guest, has called in.
[01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:00.760]  Tony, we're going to get to you in just one second.
[01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:02.760]  I want to finish up with Dan here.
[01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:04.760]  We also have a caller, George from South Carolina.
[01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:06.760]  We're going to take him next as well.
[01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:07.760]  Okay, Dan.
[01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:08.760]  So go ahead.
[01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.760]  You had a question that you were holding off on.
[01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:12.760]  Well, before we go into the question,
[01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:17.760]  I just wanted to let you guys know that I emailed you my testimony
[01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.760]  that I emailed to my state rep and my state senator.
[01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.760]  About real ID?
[01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:22.760]  Yes.
[01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:23.760]  Excellent.
[01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.760]  And if you guys want to use it, just modify it according to your state
[01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.760]  and according to your name, it's boilerplate.
[01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:35.760]  So I walked through it, and it's from the electronics technician perspective,
[01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:39.760]  and I know Randy should probably edit it and add what he thinks is pertinent to it.
[01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.760]  Yeah, and also as Sheila was saying, first things first,
[01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:45.760]  you have to read the bill here in Texas.
[01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.760]  But yeah, I'm sure that everything that you're saying is going to go right along with it.
[01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:53.760]  But yeah, my question is concerning.
[01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:59.760]  I know Randy has mentioned several times applying the laws of other states
[01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:04.760]  as far as different stuff that isn't mentioned in your particular state statutes.
[01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:06.760]  Could you speak to that for a minute?
[01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:07.760]  Yes.
[01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:08.760]  Migration.
[01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:09.760]  You can migrate.
[01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:10.760]  Okay.
[01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:21.760]  This is what they consider, that each state trusts the legislatures of other states to pass good law.
[01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.760]  So if there's an issue that the legislature of this state has never addressed
[01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:32.760]  and the legislature of another state has addressed that issue,
[01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:37.760]  then you can migrate the law from that state to this one to cover an issue
[01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:43.760]  that you use a law that was passed by a valid legislature.
[01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:49.760]  It just happens to not have been yours because yours just didn't get to it yet for whatever reason.
[01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:50.760]  So you can pull it.
[01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:52.760]  You can also pull federal.
[01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:59.760]  And under 18 U.S. Code 13, if a federal officer is within the state,
[01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:05.760]  is in a federal reserve that's within the boundaries of a state,
[01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:11.760]  and there is an issue not covered by the federal law but is covered by the state law,
[01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:19.760]  then the federal government must enforce the state law as if it were federal.
[01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:20.760]  Yeah.
[01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:23.760]  I was familiar with 18 U.S. Code 13.
[01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:26.760]  Once you had mentioned it, I read through it and I did check up on it.
[01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:32.760]  And I, you know, in my thing that I've emailed you about, I found that very effective.
[01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:37.760]  Our state attorney general, believe it or not, has actually done his job.
[01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:39.760]  That's Sue him Dick Blumenthal.
[01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:40.760]  Amazing.
[01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.760]  And of course, Sue him Dick is a student and I gave him.
[01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:46.760]  Now let me just make one comment about this migration thing.
[01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.760]  You can only migrate from other state statutes
[01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:55.760]  if your state does not already have legislation addressing the matter.
[01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.760]  If your state does have legislation addressing the matter, you cannot migrate.
[01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.760]  And Randy, can you also migrate other states' case law too?
[01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.760]  Oh, yes, absolutely.
[01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:05.760]  Great.
[01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:13.760]  You can migrate other states' case law on issues of law.
[01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.760]  Say we have a statute passed here but we don't have case law on it.
[01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:27.760]  For instance, 22.02 paragraph B to A.
[01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:33.760]  I went through Lexis, went through Westlaw, absolutely nothing.
[01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:38.760]  And that's where a public official commits aggravated assault acting under the call of authority.
[01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:40.760]  Never been prosecuted.
[01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:46.760]  That's exactly why I wanted to call you, Randy, specifically because Connecticut's penal code,
[01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:53.760]  I find it great for some things, but as far as procedure after arrest, it is sadly deficient.
[01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:58.760]  Well, are you sure there's nothing in like any kind of civil rules or something?
[01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:06.760]  Because in the state of New Mexico, I believe, that whole due process situation of procedures
[01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:09.760]  of what's supposed to happen after a person's been arrested
[01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:13.760]  and taken to a magistrate and all this kind of thing, that's not in statute.
[01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.760]  That is in like civil rules or something.
[01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.760]  So some of these young, I mean, probably that's not the way it is in Connecticut,
[01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:29.760]  but some of these newer states, some of the younger states, it wasn't enumerated into law.
[01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:34.760]  And that's how migration tends to work.
[01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:40.760]  If the legislature didn't address an issue that needs addressing,
[01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:46.760]  then they pull the case law and the statutes from other states
[01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:56.760]  and the courts adopt rules that reflect the law and the case law in other states.
[01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:02.760]  Yes, so you might want to look in the civil rules or criminal procedure rules, Dan, to see.
[01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:06.760]  I've been there, and I know Connecticut's one of those weird states in the East
[01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:10.760]  that figures we can do whatever we want to anybody and we can pass any...
[01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:12.760]  Is Connecticut a Commonwealth?
[01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.760]  No, Connecticut is not a Commonwealth.
[01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.760]  Okay.
[01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:20.760]  Well, you can beat them up with the law.
[01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:25.760]  The point I was making about aggravated assault by a police officer, there is zero.
[01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:32.760]  So if I can find another state that addresses assault by a public official,
[01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:40.760]  I can pull that case law directly into Texas, and I have nothing to overcome because Texas has nothing.
[01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.760]  Yeah, I call for...
[01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.760]  I do ask this question for two reasons.
[01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.760]  A, like my particular situation I've emailed you about,
[01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:54.760]  which it looks like the Connecticut law is sufficient for that.
[01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.760]  I mean, to a point, but then again, we're dealing with the U.S. government on that,
[01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:04.760]  and I've already got letters saying we're not going to take your complaint, which is, I think, excellent in my mind
[01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:06.760]  because I've already done them.
[01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:12.760]  And B, I know somebody who's actually had a car stolen from them from a repair shop,
[01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.760]  and basically what happened is the cop was supposed to get back to them.
[01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:20.760]  I mean, it was a felony in Connecticut.
[01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:26.760]  I believe it was first degree trover, which is a class E felony, and the cop hasn't responded,
[01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:32.760]  and it's been about six days that they were supposed to start investigating this.
[01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:39.760]  So I'm kind of wondering, like, A, how I could incorporate law down in Texas to do this,
[01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:45.760]  and B, what the statutory or case law justification of doing that would be.
[01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:47.760]  Oh, I'm not sure exactly what you want to do.
[01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.760]  You want to charge the officer for not moving quickly enough?
[01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:52.760]  Yes.
[01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:54.760]  I don't think you're going to get that one.
[01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:56.760]  Well, let's ask Tony Davis.
[01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.760]  Maybe Tony Davis has some comments for this as well.
[01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:00.760]  Tony, thank you for joining us tonight.
[01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:04.760]  Do you have any comments or response to what Dan is saying?
[01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.760]  Okay, Dan, we'll keep the question here.
[01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.760]  And, Tony, you're kind of cutting out a little bit.
[01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.760]  Okay, let me get the better.
[01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.760]  Okay, that's a little bit better, I think.
[01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:18.760]  Okay.
[01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:19.760]  No, you're still breaking up.
[01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.760]  You're still breaking up, Tony.
[01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:23.760]  Okay, let me get the better.
[01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:24.760]  Okay.
[01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:28.760]  Maybe try to call back in, okay?
[01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:29.760]  All right.
[01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:30.760]  All right, Tony's going to call back in.
[01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:31.760]  Okay, go ahead, Randy.
[01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.760]  Yeah, the fact that the officer hasn't moved quickly enough,
[01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:38.760]  I don't think you'll get much traction there.
[01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:40.760]  But he hasn't moved at all.
[01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.760]  Well, yeah, but he's going to say, well, you know,
[01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:46.760]  you either charge me with not moving fast enough on this one or I get charged
[01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:52.760]  with not moving fast enough on these 22 others I've got to deal with.
[01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:55.760]  Yeah, that could be true in the town I live in.
[01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:03.760]  Yeah, so if it's clear that he, if it's a situation that requires immediate
[01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:07.760]  action and he doesn't take it, then, you know,
[01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:09.760]  where there's an immediate emergency or something,
[01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:11.760]  then you probably have traction.
[01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.760]  But I don't think you'll get anywhere this way,
[01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:20.760]  unless it goes along for an unreasonable period of time and there's no action.
[01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:25.760]  Yeah, because what I was thinking of, what Dave Merlin did for,
[01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.760]  I'm probably sure you're familiar with the case where he was dealing
[01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:30.760]  with a Russian immigrant.
[01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.760]  She had her apartment broken into.
[01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:39.760]  And what I wanted to suggest to the person that is dealing with this is that,
[01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:40.760]  you know,
[01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:46.760]  he filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the copy of a photo ID of the
[01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:51.760]  officer dealing with a case in his post office, and in Dave Merlin's case,
[01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:56.760]  when he did that, he got somebody down there immediately.
[01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:02.760]  Well, you can't get a photo ID of a police officer, at least not in Texas.
[01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:04.760]  Oh, not in Texas?
[01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:08.760]  No, a photo of police officers is restricted.
[01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:10.760]  And that's for good cause.
[01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:13.760]  You can't get their home addresses either.
[01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:18.760]  Yeah, that's why Ken Magnuson saves phone books from year to year.
[01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.760]  He's got like hundreds of phone books because what happens is he keeps all the
[01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:25.760]  phone books and then once these public servants become public servants,
[01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.760]  then he's got all their phone numbers.
[01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:30.760]  I can see that.
[01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.760]  Yeah, he collared a sheriff in Abilene that way.
[01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.760]  Yeah, so listeners out there, you know,
[01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.760]  if you're about to throw away some phone books, check with us first.
[01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.760]  Make sure Ken may want to.
[01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:48.760]  I saved mine, so I guess that's good news.
[01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:52.760]  Yeah.
[01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:53.760]  Okay, any other questions?
[01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.760]  Any other questions, Dan?
[01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:01.760]  Just one, is there any case law with migration of statutes out there that I
[01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:02.760]  could look at?
[01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:04.760]  Oh, yeah, there's lots of it.
[01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:08.760]  I would have to look in my research folder,
[01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:12.760]  except I can't look in my research folder because I wiped out my system.
[01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.760]  But as soon as I get it back up, I'll check my research folder.
[01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:19.760]  I should have a, I don't remember a folder on that,
[01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:24.760]  but I'm sure I could go into Lexis or you can get online, you know,
[01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:28.760]  one of these search engines and do migration of laws,
[01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:30.760]  and I'm sure you'll find lots of hits.
[01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:35.760]  Yeah, because I know in my research that was just one of the areas that,
[01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:40.760]  you know, I already figured out backwards and forwards how to do it with 18 USC
[01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:45.760]  Section 13, which was really invaluable with my particular situation.
[01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.760]  And by the way, I want to thank you for that personally, Randy,
[01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.760]  because it looks like they're bending over and they're saying you got us.
[01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:52.760]  Oh, wonderful.
[01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:56.760]  Yeah, they sent the letter saying, well, we want to process your request,
[01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:59.760]  and I'm thinking like, yeah.
[01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.760]  My wife is very pleased about it, by the way, too, so I just want to let you know.
[01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:05.760]  Good.
[01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:06.760]  All right, excellent.
[01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:07.760]  All right, thank you for calling in, Dan.
[01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:08.760]  We appreciate it.
[01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:10.760]  And plug your show, too.
[01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:15.760]  Real Liberty and the Constitution on Restore the Republic Radio,
[01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.760]  and it goes between 4 to 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
[01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:21.760]  We actually got Dave Merland on the network now.
[01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:22.760]  Excellent.
[01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:23.760]  Dave who?
[01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:25.760]  It goes between 11 to 1, Dave Myerlund.
[01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:26.760]  Oh, yeah, Myerlund.
[01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:28.760]  His name is not Myerlund.
[01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:30.760]  And we were listening.
[01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:33.760]  It looks like George from South Carolina who just called in.
[01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:34.760]  He's dropped off the line.
[01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:36.760]  George, if you're out there listening, please call back in.
[01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:37.760]  We're going to go to you next.
[01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:42.760]  Oh, by the way, I just wanted to mention if Michael Badnerick needs a network home,
[01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:46.760]  I'm pretty sure you guys can take him in, but I guess he's just gone off the air.
[01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:47.760]  Yes.
[01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:52.760]  Yeah, he's decided that he wants to take a break from broadcasting for a while.
[01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:56.760]  He was on GCN, but he's decided he wants to take a break for a while,
[01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.760]  and he's very busy with his Constitution class right now.
[01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:06.760]  Okay, yeah, I figured you guys could probably use a guy like that, you know.
[01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:08.760]  Well, of course.
[01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:13.760]  Yeah, I call him Robert, Michael Badboynerick.
[01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:14.760]  All right, excellent.
[01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:15.760]  All right, well, thank you.
[01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:16.760]  Thank you, Dan.
[01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:17.760]  We appreciate you calling in.
[01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:19.760]  Okay, well, thank you guys so much.
[01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.760]  You've done more than you could know.
[01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:25.760]  All right, and callers, if you'd like to call in,
[01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.760]  512-646-1984.
[01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.760]  All right, we've got Tony Davis back up.
[01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.760]  Tony, are you with us?
[01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:34.760]  Yeah, can you hear me now?
[01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:35.760]  Yes, much better.
[01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:36.760]  Way better.
[01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:37.760]  Much better, much better.
[01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:39.760]  I've got a present for you, Tony.
[01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:41.760]  Oh, another girlfriend.
[01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:42.760]  Another one?
[01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:43.760]  Oh, no, that last one.
[01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.760]  I don't think Olga would like that very much.
[01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.760]  Olga wouldn't like that.
[01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.760]  Olga will wind his clock for you.
[01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:52.760]  No, Olga would.
[01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:59.760]  He'll beat you up, Randy.
[01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.760]  Russell Mortland got me a case.
[01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:03.760]  Okay.
[01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:10.760]  It's called Rothergee v. Gillespie County.
[01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:11.760]  All right.
[01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.760]  And what it goes to, a criminal defendant's initial appearance
[01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:20.760]  before a magistrate judge where he learns the charge against him
[01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:24.760]  and his liberty is subjected to restriction,
[01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:30.760]  marks the initiation of adversarial judiciary proceedings
[01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:35.760]  that trigger attachment of the Sixth Amendment right to counsel.
[01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:36.760]  Yes.
[01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:38.760]  Okay, well, listen, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:40.760]  Let's discuss it on the other side.
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[01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:34.760]  All right, we are back.
[01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.760]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:42.760]  Some Route 1 music for you, Jerry Stevens.
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[01:18:55.760 --> 01:19:00.760]  And I just want to make a quick announcement before we go back to the topic at hand.
[01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:02.760]  I mentioned it briefly earlier.
[01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:04.760]  We do have another affiliate.
[01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.760]  We're blazing up the airwaves here, people.
[01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:15.760]  We have now been joined by Liberty 1710 AM in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
[01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:16.760]  All right.
[01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.760]  So now we're on the air in Minneapolis, Minnesota on the west side,
[01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:25.760]  soon to be covering the entire city, the 10th largest city in the nation.
[01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.760]  We're on the airwaves, Liberty 1710 AM.
[01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.760]  So folks out there listening in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
[01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:33.760]  welcome and thank you for listening.
[01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.760]  So I just wanted to make that quick announcement.
[01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:38.760]  And okay, Randy, let's go back to Tony now.
[01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:39.760]  Yes.
[01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:40.760]  Oh, wait a minute.
[01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:41.760]  You know what?
[01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.760]  We have George from South Carolina, and he was holding forever.
[01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:48.760]  Let's go to George from South Carolina real quick,
[01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:50.760]  and then we'll get back to what you were saying, okay,
[01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.760]  because I don't want to blow him off.
[01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:53.760]  He hung up and then called back.
[01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:54.760]  Okay.
[01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:55.760]  Okay, George, thank you for calling back in.
[01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:56.760]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:58.760]  You have a question?
[01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.760]  I have a question for Randy.
[01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:07.760]  He's talking about someone said that Randy's going to have some law
[01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:12.760]  for downtown City Hall when they got there for the real ID,
[01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:17.760]  and I was wondering what case law he was going to produce.
[01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.760]  Oh, for the real ID?
[01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:21.760]  Yes, sir.
[01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:26.760]  No, you can't really produce case law for that because that's legislation.
[01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:30.760]  It's proposed legislation.
[01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:38.760]  What I will do is talk to them about the police state this is ushering in.
[01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:39.760]  Right.
[01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:44.760]  And I will ask them, how would you define a police state?
[01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:52.760]  A country with 4% of the world's population houses 50% of the world's prisoners?
[01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:56.760]  Yeah, and then they track everything you do and everywhere you go and all your
[01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.760]  biometric data and everything is in your driver's license?
[01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:01.760]  Yeah, I don't think so.
[01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:04.760]  And the police need more tools to incarcerate more people?
[01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:05.760]  Yeah, really.
[01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.760]  Conviction rate of 99.6 in Texas.
[01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:09.760]  Yeah, what do they want?
[01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:12.760]  And we need more police control?
[01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:20.760]  Randy, is there any other state that is collecting data like Texas is proposing to do?
[01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.760]  Well, this is federal legislation and the states are pushing to implement it now.
[01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:26.760]  Yeah, most every state.
[01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:29.760]  Well, actually, I think there are 20 states.
[01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:31.760]  Actually, that's not true, Randy.
[01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:33.760]  I think there are 20 states.
[01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:39.760]  That's almost half the union have actually passed legislation, both the House and the Senate.
[01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:40.760]  Some of them are resolutions.
[01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:46.760]  Some of them are actually law that are banning the implementation of the Real ID Act.
[01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:48.760]  So the states are bucking up against this.
[01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:51.760]  Texas is just rolling over or trying to.
[01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:56.760]  Well, there's a reasonable reason for Texas blowing over.
[01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:58.760]  What's that?
[01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.760]  Go look at the governor.
[01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:02.760]  I'm sorry.
[01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:03.760]  Go ahead.
[01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:04.760]  Go ahead, Tony.
[01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:05.760]  Go look at the governor.
[01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:08.760]  Oh, yeah, no kidding.
[01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:09.760]  No kidding.
[01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:12.760]  Mr. Bilderberg Perry.
[01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:14.760]  Yeah, Mr. George Bush Jr.
[01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:15.760]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.760]  Okay, go ahead, George.
[01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:27.760]  I was just curious if there was any other state that was already collecting DNA samples on the side of the road.
[01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:30.760]  Oh, you mean the blood withdrawals?
[01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:33.760]  I think there are other states that are doing that.
[01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:37.760]  I'm not sure.
[01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:38.760]  Okay.
[01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:45.760]  I would like to have time to research that to see what kind of litigation has sprung up because of that.
[01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:48.760]  Well, you got the rest of the weekend, Randy.
[01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:52.760]  I've heard about Florida doing something like that.
[01:22:52.760 --> 01:23:16.760]  Well, the whole reason that Acevedo is pushing for this is because in the past what they would do is they would bring suspects to the hospital to have a licensed healthcare practitioner, a phlebotomist of certification at least, to withdraw the blood because that's what's required by law.
[01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:31.760]  And sometimes they would also have nurses or phlebotomists at the jail to do it, but the healthcare practitioners don't want to do it anymore because they're so vulnerable to litigation over it.
[01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.760]  And so they're saying we're not going to do it anymore.
[01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:36.760]  And so now they're trying to make the poor cop on the beat do it.
[01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:48.760]  And I do not demonize the police officers themselves over this because I doubt that many of them really want to do it anyway because they're just putting themselves at risk, really.
[01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:50.760]  I mean, gosh, would you?
[01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.760]  I mean, total strangers?
[01:23:52.760 --> 01:24:04.760]  I mean, what if the person they're trying to withdraw blood from has herpes or AIDS or some other blood-borne virus that's incurable, hepatitis or whatever?
[01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:06.760]  I wouldn't want nothing to do with it.
[01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:07.760]  I don't think the cops really want to do it.
[01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:13.760]  There may be a few who are, like, deranged that want to, but this is coming down from higher levels.
[01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:15.760]  You know, this is the police chief.
[01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:22.760]  When we have a conviction rate of 99.6, what do you need more evidence for?
[01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:23.760]  You're no kidding.
[01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.760]  I mean, nobody cares about the evidence anyway.
[01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.760]  No kidding because they always just cop a plea.
[01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.760]  They just always strike a deal anyway.
[01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:34.760]  They've got enough evidence with the breathalyzers.
[01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:35.760]  Give me a break.
[01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:36.760]  Give me a break.
[01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:43.760]  This is all about building a database of people's blood samples at the federal level.
[01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:44.760]  That's what this is all about.
[01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:50.760]  It's about building a biometric database of people's blood.
[01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:55.760]  This has nothing to do with evidence to secure a conviction for DWI.
[01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:56.760]  Period.
[01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:58.760]  That's just all there is to it.
[01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.760]  It's all about building a biometric database.
[01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:03.760]  That's all it is.
[01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:13.760]  I'm seeing something here on Google for Daytona police doing a cotton swab on the side of the road.
[01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:16.760]  Have you all seen anything like that?
[01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.760]  A cotton swab?
[01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:20.760]  Yes, sir.
[01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:25.760]  Daytona police, Sheriff Kitwood.
[01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.760]  Testing for DWI with a cotton swab?
[01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:34.760]  Oh, he's searching for a murderer, and he's taking cotton swabs on the side of the road.
[01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:36.760]  Oh, to check DNA?
[01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:37.760]  Yeah.
[01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:38.760]  Have you all heard about that?
[01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:40.760]  No.
[01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:42.760]  I had not.
[01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.760]  That again goes to giving up biometric data.
[01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:47.760]  Exactly.
[01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:49.760]  It sure does.
[01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:55.760]  You know, I don't object to them trying to capture a murderer,
[01:25:55.760 --> 01:26:01.760]  but I do object to them taking all of that evidence that they gathered.
[01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:05.760]  Well, here you are, Randy.
[01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.760]  You're on the side of the road late at night.
[01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:13.760]  This man has pulled you over in his car with his light going.
[01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:21.760]  He's got a gun, a badge, and a radio to call in for SWAT teams if he wants to.
[01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:29.760]  And you're just stuck there, and he says to you, do you mind if I get a cotton swab?
[01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:32.760]  You think these people are going to deny him that?
[01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:34.760]  It seems a little bit intimidating.
[01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:37.760]  Well, yeah, when you say no, they're just going to, like you said,
[01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.760]  just try to force you into it anyway.
[01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:41.760]  Well, they'll take you to jail instead.
[01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:45.760]  My objection is not to them trying to catch a murderer,
[01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.760]  and not even to them taking the cotton swab.
[01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:49.760]  Well, I do.
[01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:53.760]  But when they find that the sample doesn't match,
[01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.760]  I object to them not throwing it in the trash.
[01:26:57.760 --> 01:26:59.760]  Well, I object to them taking it at all.
[01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.760]  I object to them putting it in the database.
[01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:09.760]  If they didn't keep the information and put it in a permanent database,
[01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:11.760]  it wouldn't be near his objection.
[01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.760]  Well, I object to it at all, okay?
[01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.760]  I don't want him taking a cotton swab, a blood sample,
[01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:20.760]  nothing from me because they're trying to catch somebody, okay?
[01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:22.760]  They're still going to have to get a warrant and a court order
[01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:24.760]  if they want anything out of me, period.
[01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:26.760]  I object to it all the way around.
[01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:28.760]  It's ridiculous.
[01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:30.760]  It's totally unnecessary.
[01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:34.760]  I mean, they used to, you know, use visual cues.
[01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.760]  Like, does somebody fit the description, you know?
[01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:39.760]  It's like, let's get a warrant.
[01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:41.760]  Hello?
[01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:45.760]  But yeah, Randy, that's also another point is they don't throw it away.
[01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:46.760]  They don't throw it away.
[01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:50.760]  But still, I object to them taking it from me at all, at all, at all,
[01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:54.760]  without a court warrant, without a warrant or a court order, period.
[01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:58.760]  I'm not in agreement with, well, it's okay for them to take it from us
[01:27:58.760 --> 01:27:59.760]  if they just throw it away.
[01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:00.760]  No.
[01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:01.760]  I don't want to give it up at all.
[01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:02.760]  I didn't say it was okay.
[01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:04.760]  Well, I know you didn't, but I'm just saying it's not okay.
[01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:06.760]  It would be less objectionable,
[01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:10.760]  and we wouldn't have quite the argument we do have
[01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:16.760]  because we know that the taking is not just for the purpose of catching this bad guy.
[01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:18.760]  It's for the purpose of building a database.
[01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:19.760]  No kidding.
[01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:22.760]  So they always know who we are, where we are, what we're doing,
[01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:24.760]  what we buy, what we eat.
[01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:30.760]  Everybody we talk to, they can come after us any time they want to,
[01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:33.760]  and we'll know everything about us.
[01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:35.760]  Yeah, that's not acceptable.
[01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:36.760]  That's for sure.
[01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:40.760]  Deborah?
[01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:41.760]  Yes?
[01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:45.760]  Are you keeping a database of phone numbers?
[01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:52.760]  I do have a phone book of people who voluntarily give me their phone numbers.
[01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:56.760]  There's a big difference between people offering something up voluntarily
[01:28:56.760 --> 01:29:02.760]  and the government extracting it by coercion or force.
[01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:05.760]  Okay, you may keep my number.
[01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:11.760]  Well, if you don't let us keep your number, I will zap you with this mic puzzle.
[01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:12.760]  Thank you, George.
[01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:14.760]  I appreciate that.
[01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:17.760]  All right, you guys go in there.
[01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:18.760]  Okay.
[01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.760]  All right, George, thank you for calling in.
[01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:22.760]  We really appreciate it.
[01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:25.760]  You have a good night.
[01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:27.760]  Okay, that was George from South Carolina.
[01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:30.760]  All right, we are now going to break.
[01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:35.760]  We're going to bring Tony Davis back in and we're going to discuss this paperwork
[01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:37.760]  that Randy got today.
[01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:41.760]  Actually, we've got Russell on the line too, so we'll bring him into the conversation.
[01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:47.760]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:57.760]  We will be right back.
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[01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:46.760]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:51.760]  Okay, we are here with Russell from Texas and Tony Davis.
[01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:53.760]  Yes.
[01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:54.760]  And Randy, go ahead.
[01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:56.760]  Russell gave you some peer work.
[01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:01.760]  Let me bring up the inimical, inimical babyface, Mortland.
[01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:02.760]  Oh, boy.
[01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:04.760]  He's done good today.
[01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:05.760]  Go ahead, Russell.
[01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:07.760]  What do you have for us?
[01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.760]  Well, I was doing some research on Lexus last night,
[01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:12.760]  and I run across this case.
[01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:16.760]  And when I get up this morning, seven o'clock or so, I was so excited.
[01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:19.760]  I had to call Randy then tell him.
[01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:25.760]  And it basically will have, you know, anybody that's already been convicted
[01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:30.760]  or whatever could use a Supreme Court case to have their conviction overturned
[01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:36.760]  because it says that the first moment that you go before a judicial officer,
[01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:38.760]  you have to have counsel.
[01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:43.760]  And like down in Hays County and everybody else that I know of,
[01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:48.760]  you know, you always go before, like when we were in jail, me and my wife,
[01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:52.760]  they took us before a magistrate two days later.
[01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:57.760]  And when you go before that magistrate, you're supposed to have counsel.
[01:32:57.760 --> 01:32:58.760]  And they don't do it.
[01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.760]  It's a practice and policy down there not to do it.
[01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:05.760]  And the Supreme Court ruled in June of last year,
[01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:11.760]  in that case against Gillespie County, that it has to be done.
[01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:15.760]  We've been saying for a long time that you get arrested, you get taken to jail,
[01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:17.760]  you get brought before a magistrate.
[01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:20.760]  And the magistrate will advise you of the rights.
[01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:24.760]  He is in the process of denying you.
[01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:27.760]  And this goes exactly to that.
[01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:33.760]  This stuff of a magistration, that's a legal fiction.
[01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:35.760]  It's always been a legal fiction.
[01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:37.760]  They made it up.
[01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:41.760]  And the court here is saying they made it up.
[01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:44.760]  And the court failed to reference a whole chapter.
[01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:51.760]  They talk about Article 1517, and that's a statute under the chapter on arrest
[01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:53.760]  with a warrant.
[01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.760]  It talks about the warnings they're supposed to give under 1517.
[01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:00.760]  Well, there's another place where those warnings are required to be given.
[01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:07.760]  It's a whole chapter, Chapter 16, that addresses the hearing before
[01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:09.760]  the magistrate.
[01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:13.760]  And the very first thing they must do is advise you of all your rights
[01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:17.760]  and make, advise you of your right to counsel.
[01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:21.760]  And if you want time to secure counsel, they have to give you a continuous
[01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:25.760]  to give you time to secure counsel.
[01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:28.760]  First one, 16.01.
[01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:30.760]  Nobody does it.
[01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:35.760]  And this has been primarily what my argument has been the whole time,
[01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.760]  and this case landed dead on it.
[01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:46.760]  I have case law from Texas that says the initial appearance is not a critical
[01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:49.760]  point in the prosecution.
[01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.760]  And I said, say what?
[01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:55.760]  That's where they decide whether or not your liberty is restricted.
[01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:59.760]  I think that is the most crucial point.
[01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:01.760]  And the state has been saying, well, you don't need it.
[01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:02.760]  Go ahead.
[01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:04.760]  I interrupted you, Russell.
[01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:09.760]  But it also says in that thing that there's 43 states that give you an
[01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:16.760]  attorney as soon as you go before a magistrate or a judicial officer.
[01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.760]  And seven states, including Texas, do not.
[01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:26.760]  And that is of a minority opinion or minority problem, in other words.
[01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:32.760]  And the Supreme Court was chastising the hell out of them for doing it this way.
[01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:40.760]  And this will make the litigation engine just that much stronger.
[01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:42.760]  What do you think, Tony?
[01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:45.760]  I think that's a great idea because, you know,
[01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:50.760]  the basic rule is that the first time due process is violated,
[01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:55.760]  and due process is defined as the fact that the government follows the rules,
[01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:58.760]  the statutes, and the law.
[01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:05.760]  The first time due process is violated, then jurisdiction ceases and is no more.
[01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:07.760]  Let me read this to you.
[01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:12.760]  Neither the Fifth Circuit nor the county offers an unacceptable justification
[01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:14.760]  for the minority practice.
[01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:18.760]  The Fifth Circuit found that the determining factor should be that no
[01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:26.760]  prosecutor was aware of Fawther Green's Article 1517 hearing or involved in it.
[01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:31.760]  This prosecutor awareness standard is wrong.
[01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:35.760]  That's exactly how the Supreme Court put it.
[01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:38.760]  Well, at least the Supreme Court, the Constitutional Court,
[01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:40.760]  is better than the rest of the courts in the country.
[01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:45.760]  This thing is 33 pages long, and it's only the first three pages deals with the case.
[01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:52.760]  The rest of it is opinions of dissents, which they're quite strong on opinions,
[01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:57.760]  and not so strong on the dissents, but I mean, people are arguing over,
[01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:01.760]  when do they consider the prosecution to be started?
[01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:05.760]  Well, that is absolutely clear in the case law.
[01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:06.760]  Right.
[01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:07.760]  When a person is arrested.
[01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:08.760]  Yeah, no kidding.
[01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:12.760]  Or when a complaint is presented to a magistrate.
[01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:14.760]  That is absolutely clear.
[01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:17.760]  It's been well adjudicated for a very long time.
[01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:18.760]  Yeah, no kidding.
[01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:24.760]  And anyone who's raising a question on that issue just hasn't read the book.
[01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:33.760]  And one of the first cases that I cite in the Red Havis Corpus is Gerstein Pugh,
[01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:36.760]  and on page four here they go to Gerstein Pugh.
[01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:40.760]  The policeman's on-the-scene assessment of probable cause provides
[01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:44.760]  a legal justification for arresting a person suspected of crime and for a
[01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:50.760]  brief period of detention to take the administrative steps incident to arrest.
[01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:56.760]  Then ellipsis, but the Fourth Amendment requires a judicial determination
[01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:02.760]  of probable cause as a prerequisite to extended restraint of liberty
[01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:04.760]  following arrest.
[01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:11.760]  A judicial determination of probable cause under Texas law can only be done
[01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:18.760]  at an examining trial, and an examining trial is defined by Chapter 16,
[01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:20.760]  a whole chapter.
[01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:24.760]  If they bring us back to Chapter 16, we'll get it done right,
[01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:28.760]  and a great number of the problems we're having with the police
[01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:31.760]  will just simply go away.
[01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:38.760]  Yeah, and there's a very good reason why it's well adjudicated that a
[01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:44.760]  prosecution commences upon arrest or upon the presenting of a criminal
[01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:49.760]  complaint to a magistrate, and the reason is because of speedy trial,
[01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:50.760]  because of due process.
[01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:54.760]  I mean, this was one of the main things about the Magna Carta,
[01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:58.760]  why the barons nearly chopped the head off of King John of the River Thames
[01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:03.760]  because the police were just arresting people and holding them, okay?
[01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:06.760]  And they can't do that, and that's what the prosecutors are trying to do now.
[01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:08.760]  That's what they've been doing.
[01:39:08.760 --> 01:39:14.760]  People get arrested, and they don't, the magistrate doesn't file the
[01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:17.760]  documents with the clerk of the court.
[01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:21.760]  The prosecutor secrets them away, grabs them, you know,
[01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:25.760]  before they get to the court, and so there's no speedy trial clock,
[01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:29.760]  and people just sit in jail and sit in jail and sit in jail or whatever,
[01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.760]  hanging legal limbo until the prosecutor squeezes a deal out of them.
[01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.760]  That's why we fought a revolution, people.
[01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:40.760]  That's why the Magna Carta came into existence in 1215.
[01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:42.760]  I mean, it's just the same thing.
[01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:46.760]  Prosecutions commence upon arrest, period.
[01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:51.760]  Do you know how this whole thing started?
[01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:55.760]  The change in the system, it used to be the system, was really not that bad.
[01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:56.760]  Right.
[01:39:56.760 --> 01:40:05.760]  It started 30, 40 years ago, but after the drug war started,
[01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:08.760]  then everybody decided that they would just do plea agreements,
[01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:12.760]  and so the way they do plea agreements is they come in and they put somebody
[01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:15.760]  in jail and they sweat them out until they turn them into a plea.
[01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:16.760]  Right.
[01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:21.760]  Or if that doesn't work, then the prosecutor or the agents will come in
[01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:23.760]  and they'll threaten their family members.
[01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:28.760]  Okay, so that's to sweat a deal out of the guy,
[01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.760]  so he'll do a plea in order to save his family.
[01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.760]  Well, he's going to lose his family anyway.
[01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:35.760]  That's the stupidest thing in the whole world,
[01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:40.760]  because the average guy that goes into prison is able to keep his wife
[01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:43.760]  about one to one and a half years.
[01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:44.760]  Wow.
[01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:48.760]  So he does a plea agreement in order to save his family.
[01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:50.760]  He loses his family anyway.
[01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:51.760]  Right.
[01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.760]  They were shocked that me and my wife were still together.
[01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:57.760]  Yeah, well, you know, the average is one to one and a half years.
[01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.760]  You know, some of them last two months, okay,
[01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:02.760]  but the average is one to one and a half years.
[01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:06.760]  I've seen guys try to crawl out of the prison, okay,
[01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:09.760]  crawl over the barbed wire fence and get shot, okay,
[01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:13.760]  because they're trying to do anything to save their families.
[01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.760]  Wow.
[01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:17.760]  Well, hey, listen, we've got Mehta from Texas on the line.
[01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:19.760]  She's calling in the satellite phone,
[01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:21.760]  and I want to go ahead and take her call real quick.
[01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:22.760]  Okay.
[01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:23.760]  Hey, Mehta, thanks for calling in.
[01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:25.760]  I know you go through a lot.
[01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:26.760]  She calls in on it.
[01:41:26.760 --> 01:41:28.760]  Folks, listen, Mehta calls in on the satellite phone,
[01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:32.760]  and the other night she called into Agenda 21 Talk,
[01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:34.760]  one of our new shows here,
[01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:39.760]  and she had climbed on top of the water tower to get enough good reception
[01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.760]  on her cell phone so that she could call in on the cell phone.
[01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:44.760]  Mehta, thank you for being so diligent.
[01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:46.760]  What do you have for us tonight?
[01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:49.760]  I'm just curious about the law.
[01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.760]  In Texas, blood-taking is like phlebotomists,
[01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:55.760]  and they have a school and everything,
[01:41:55.760 --> 01:42:00.760]  but don't medical professions have to have blood tests for drug testing?
[01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:05.760]  Right now I know in San Antonio the police force are never blood tested,
[01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:07.760]  so if they're going to take blood up in Austin,
[01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:14.760]  does that now mean that they have to take drug testing like any other medical profession?
[01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.760]  That's a good question.
[01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:20.760]  Well, see, the thing is they're not becoming licensed medical professionals.
[01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:25.760]  In fact, we need to look at what the feds are proposing here, Mehta,
[01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:28.760]  because we'll see right now they're already doing it.
[01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:34.760]  My associate of mine said that she heard on the news on Monday morning
[01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:37.760]  that they already started doing it on the side of the road this past weekend
[01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:40.760]  probably to gear up with some statistics for this public hearing
[01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:42.760]  and say, see, everything went fine.
[01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.760]  We did it last weekend and it was great.
[01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:49.760]  But as far as I know, at least the feds, what they're proposing,
[01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:52.760]  these cops would not become licensed phlebotomists
[01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:55.760]  or under the state medical board or anything.
[01:42:55.760 --> 01:43:00.760]  The feds are just saying, well, 20 hours of training is good enough,
[01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:03.760]  and so they're just going to run them through some training program
[01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:09.760]  that's not even authorized under the state medical board and just do it.
[01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.760]  That's not on board because the state medical board is the one that governs it.
[01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:17.760]  Well, yes, I would think so.
[01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:19.760]  I would think so.
[01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:26.760]  But again, in Texas, a lot of the medical professions have to be repeatedly drug tested,
[01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:30.760]  and if you can't hold them to a lesser standard,
[01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:33.760]  then you have anybody else who's taking blood.
[01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:34.760]  Right.
[01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:36.760]  All right, well, Mehta, listen, we're going to break.
[01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:38.760]  Do you have anything else for us?
[01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:40.760]  That's probably a curious question.
[01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:42.760]  All right, thank you for calling in.
[01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:43.760]  Okay.
[01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.760]  Okay, we're going to break, and then we'll get back to Tony and Russell.
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[01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:04.760]  Okay, we're here with Tony Davis.
[01:46:04.760 --> 01:46:07.760]  Tony's going to stay on with us for another segment or so.
[01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:12.760]  And Tony, you have some material for us talking about federal IRS tax liens
[01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:14.760]  being signed by a non-person.
[01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:15.760]  What is this all about?
[01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:19.760]  Well, there's a case right now that's being tried, okay,
[01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:26.760]  where one of the litigants, the defendant, this is a criminal tax case in Oklahoma.
[01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:34.760]  Anyway, the defendant subpoenaed the person that signed the tax liens on his case.
[01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:39.760]  Okay, and the government came back and said, well,
[01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:45.760]  they weren't sure if that person was available initially.
[01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:51.760]  Okay, and then he pushed on this, and finally they admitted that there was no such person.
[01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:56.760]  Okay, so the person that signed the tax liens doesn't exist.
[01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:02.760]  Okay, and the name of the person is R.A. Mitchell, and apparently it was a stamp.
[01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:06.760]  Okay, but R.A. Mitchell doesn't even exist at all.
[01:47:06.760 --> 01:47:13.760]  Okay, and it's in a direct violation of the Uniform Commercial Code.
[01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:20.760]  It's a direct violation of the issues relating to forgery or any false documents.
[01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:24.760]  County recorder's documents, the Uniform Commercial Code documents,
[01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:27.760]  everything is just nothing more than a scam.
[01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:36.760]  Okay, so if the person that signed the tax lien document in this case does not exist,
[01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:40.760]  okay, and the name on the document is R.A. Mitchell,
[01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:45.760]  okay, anybody that gets a tax lien document is going to have to check their documents
[01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:51.760]  and find out if there's actually a real person that signed the document,
[01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:55.760]  because if there's not, the tax lien is totally fraudulent.
[01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:57.760]  Well, I'll tell you what happened to mine.
[01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:03.760]  Mine says R.A. Mitchell signed by R.H. Mitchell for Sandra Havilland.
[01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:05.760]  So yours says R.A. Mitchell, too?
[01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:06.760]  Yeah.
[01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:12.760]  Okay, well, apparently I would imagine, but I can't, there's no way I could check all of them,
[01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:15.760]  but I would imagine all of them say R.A. Mitchell.
[01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:18.760]  R.A. Mitchell does not exist.
[01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:25.760]  But Sandra Havilland is a bankruptcy specialist at the Austin IRS office.
[01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:28.760]  Okay, but yours is stamped R.A. Mitchell?
[01:48:28.760 --> 01:48:30.760]  It's stamped R.A. Mitchell.
[01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:33.760]  It says signature R.A. Mitchell for Sandra Havilland.
[01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:39.760]  Well, okay, you can't have a signature for somebody else if the first person doesn't exist.
[01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:40.760]  Right.
[01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:46.760]  Now, Russell, your document there, does it look like a signature,
[01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:48.760]  or is it just like printed R.A. Mitchell?
[01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:51.760]  Oh, no, it's like a handwriting font.
[01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:53.760]  It looks like an honest-to-god stamp.
[01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:54.760]  It's probably a stamp.
[01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:58.760]  Yeah, but nobody could have signed that because that person doesn't exist.
[01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:00.760]  What a scam.
[01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:01.760]  I wonder who's handwriting.
[01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:02.760]  What do you expect?
[01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:03.760]  It's the federal government.
[01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:05.760]  It's probably a font.
[01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:07.760]  It's probably a handwriting font.
[01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:14.760]  Well, actually, I just looked at some grand jury minutes in Austin,
[01:49:14.760 --> 01:49:18.760]  and the grand jury foreman signed with a stamp.
[01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:26.760]  Yeah, but Randy, he may have signed something and had a stamp made out of his signature.
[01:49:26.760 --> 01:49:29.760]  The point is, even if this is a stamp that looks like handwriting,
[01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.760]  it couldn't have been signed by that person because that person doesn't exist.
[01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:37.760]  Did somebody sign that non-existent person's name and made a stamp out of it,
[01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:39.760]  or they used a handwriting font?
[01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:44.760]  In fact, my father-in-law's estate's going through probate.
[01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:46.760]  It's been there for three years.
[01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:50.760]  And the IRS put a $1.3 million federal tax lien against it,
[01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:56.760]  and R.A. Mitchell's the one that signed that.
[01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:57.760]  Oh, my God.
[01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:01.760]  It may as well have been signed by Santa Claus.
[01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:06.760]  The whole thing is what's been causing that estate to be tied up in court for the last three years.
[01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:13.760]  You know, R.A. Mitchell, a non-existent person, is probably very wealthy now.
[01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:19.760]  Whoever the other name is on there, you need to charge that person with fraud.
[01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:21.760]  Yeah, really?
[01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:23.760]  Yeah, because, I mean, they know.
[01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:25.760]  I mean, this is obvious stuff.
[01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:30.760]  I mean, they're using a non-existent person to create the tax liens.
[01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:32.760]  And you know why they're doing that, Tony?
[01:50:32.760 --> 01:50:35.760]  Because nobody wants to be responsible for it.
[01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:36.760]  That's why.
[01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:38.760]  Because they know it's on.
[01:50:38.760 --> 01:50:40.760]  Let me read the bottom of this one.
[01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.760]  It says, this notice is prepared and signed in Nashville, Tennessee,
[01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:47.760]  on this 24th day of February 2009.
[01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:54.760]  Signature R.A. Mitchell for Sandra Pavelin, title bankruptcy specialist, Austin, Texas,
[01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.760]  and gives her her ID number and her telephone number.
[01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:00.760]  You know, how in the hell is R.A. Mitchell?
[01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.760]  Have you ever talked to this person in Austin?
[01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:04.760]  No.
[01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:06.760]  Do you know that person exists?
[01:51:06.760 --> 01:51:07.760]  You know, what we need to do is...
[01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:08.760]  Well, I suspect they do,
[01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:11.760]  since I have had communication with the bankruptcy department before.
[01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:14.760]  Okay, well, my guess is R.A. Mitchell is a country-western singer.
[01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:18.760]  Well, I was going to say, it must be, since they signed in Nashville, Tennessee.
[01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:23.760]  He's hanging out with Elvis and Jim Morrison.
[01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.760]  Well, you know, they said Elvis was coming back, so...
[01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:30.760]  He's coming back as a tax specialist?
[01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:38.760]  Anybody who's got a tax lien signed by R.A. Mitchell,
[01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:42.760]  well, you've got some serious work to do now.
[01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:48.760]  Well, that's interesting because I suspect nobody wants their signature on it
[01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:54.760]  because they know full well it's fraud from its inception.
[01:51:54.760 --> 01:51:56.760]  That's why nobody wants to sign it.
[01:51:56.760 --> 01:51:59.760]  Right.
[01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:03.760]  Well, so how do we deal with that, Tony?
[01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:08.760]  Well, anybody that's got a tax lien or a potential tax lien,
[01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:13.760]  give me a call and I'll get you back in court and get the thing thrown out.
[01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:14.760]  Well...
[01:52:14.760 --> 01:52:15.760]  What is the strategy?
[01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:18.760]  Strategy is fraud, total fraud.
[01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:20.760]  We subpoena R.A. Mitchell.
[01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:21.760]  That's correct.
[01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:22.760]  Oh, boy.
[01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:26.760]  Well, Tony, how do I get some documentation for that Oklahoma court
[01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:28.760]  to put down here in this probate court?
[01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:31.760]  Well, listen, I can get you some documentation.
[01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:34.760]  I can make their life total misery.
[01:52:34.760 --> 01:52:37.760]  Okay.
[01:52:37.760 --> 01:52:39.760]  You have to remember a second thing, too.
[01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:41.760]  I mean, R.A. Mitchell is a fiction, okay?
[01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:47.760]  But whenever you have a tax case, you go in to someone that works for the IRS,
[01:52:47.760 --> 01:52:49.760]  their name is a fiction.
[01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:52.760]  They all have fake names, okay?
[01:52:52.760 --> 01:52:57.760]  So if you're ever in a tax case and you get them up on the stand, okay,
[01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:03.760]  first thing you do is you get them up on the stand and you say your name is,
[01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:05.760]  you know, Joe Smith, right?
[01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:06.760]  R.A. Mitchell.
[01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:07.760]  Okay.
[01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:14.760]  And then they say yes and they say, is that your name on your birth certificate?
[01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:16.760]  And all of a sudden now they've committed perjury.
[01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:18.760]  Oh, boy.
[01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:23.760]  Well, yeah, and I know that they do all use fake names, too,
[01:53:23.760 --> 01:53:27.760]  because I saw it on a video.
[01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:33.760]  A client of ours a year or so ago back had some IRS agents coming
[01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.760]  and harassing him at his property, and one of the...
[01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:38.760]  Oklahoma forces.
[01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:40.760]  Russell?
[01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:41.760]  Yeah, Russell.
[01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:42.760]  Okay, okay.
[01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:46.760]  Anyways, he took a video of these IRS agents harassing him, right?
[01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:52.760]  And he was asking for their IDs, their badges, and business cards and everything,
[01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:53.760]  and so this one guy...
[01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:54.760]  I have it on video.
[01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:55.760]  I posted it on YouTube, by the way.
[01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:57.760]  You can look it up on YouTube.
[01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:02.760]  It's titled Three Shoes Posse Exposes IRS Fraud, all right?
[01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:05.760]  And so I posted the video, and you see this guy towards the end of the video.
[01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:07.760]  I call him Chubby Cheeks.
[01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:13.760]  And he reaches in his inside coat pocket, jacket pocket, to take out a business card,
[01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:18.760]  and he pulled out...he started to pull out, I believe it was a yellow one.
[01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:20.760]  He started to pull it out, and he looked at it.
[01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:24.760]  It was like, oh, oh, no, and he whipped it back in his coat in the pocket,
[01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:28.760]  and then he reached into a different pocket and pulled out a different card.
[01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:32.760]  So, like, the first card, I suspect, was, like, his real card,
[01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.760]  like, with his real name on it, and then he whipped it back in
[01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:37.760]  and then pulled out a different one.
[01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:41.760]  The issue of the card that he actually gave,
[01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:45.760]  he was the third one to identify himself as the same person.
[01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:46.760]  Yes, that's right.
[01:54:46.760 --> 01:54:47.760]  And who was he identifying?
[01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:48.760]  And one of them...
[01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:49.760]  It was a female.
[01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:50.760]  It was a female, yeah.
[01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.760]  There were three people that gave out the same business card,
[01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:56.760]  the same name on it, and one of them was a chick.
[01:54:56.760 --> 01:54:58.760]  And what was the name on that card, Randy?
[01:54:58.760 --> 01:55:00.760]  I can't remember.
[01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:01.760]  I don't remember.
[01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:04.760]  Yeah, but it was some guy's name, but obviously it was fake.
[01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:07.760]  This was a case of the mean menonite.
[01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:10.760]  These guys come out and accosted the grandson.
[01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:12.760]  And they wouldn't answer their questions
[01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:14.760]  even when they threatened to arrest him.
[01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:17.760]  And the father sees them, and they accost him.
[01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:19.760]  And he won't answer their questions
[01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:22.760]  even when they threatened to arrest him.
[01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:24.760]  And the grandpa sees them.
[01:55:24.760 --> 01:55:29.760]  And he goes in the house, and he pulls out the most powerful weapon
[01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:33.760]  on the place and starts shooting at them with it.
[01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:35.760]  They took one look at the lens of that camera,
[01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:36.760]  and they hit the road.
[01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:38.760]  Yeah, they hightailed it big time.
[01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:42.760]  Okay, so do you have to leave at the end of this segment?
[01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:43.760]  Yeah, I've got to go.
[01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:46.760]  Okay, so we've got three minutes left with you.
[01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:48.760]  Why don't you, we'll give you the floor
[01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:51.760]  for the last remainder of this segment, so go ahead.
[01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:54.760]  Okay, well, you know, basically,
[01:55:54.760 --> 01:55:58.760]  if anybody has a tax lien and it's signed by R.A. Mitchell,
[01:55:58.760 --> 01:56:00.760]  so they'll have to go back and look at their documents,
[01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:03.760]  then it appears to be a total fraud.
[01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:07.760]  And that gives you grounds to go back in and reopen your case
[01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:09.760]  if the case is going out.
[01:56:09.760 --> 01:56:13.760]  If anybody has any questions, they can get hold of me through you guys,
[01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:15.760]  and I'll be happy to talk to them about it.
[01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:20.760]  But it appears that this is one more instance of the IRS
[01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:23.760]  deciding they can do anything they want, okay,
[01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:28.760]  and they can create anything they want in order to get their way.
[01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:30.760]  I don't know, I don't know where R.A. Mitchell,
[01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:32.760]  because I don't think R.A. Mitchell exists.
[01:56:32.760 --> 01:56:39.760]  But if this person doesn't exist, then he's been signing liens
[01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.760]  against people that aren't even valid.
[01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:43.760]  Incredible.
[01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:45.760]  And with as many liens as he's signing,
[01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:49.760]  he must certainly have muscle cramps from beyond.
[01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:52.760]  Right, whoever's handling them for him.
[01:56:52.760 --> 01:57:00.760]  Whoever is the head of the agency that produces the tax lien,
[01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:02.760]  he's respondent superior.
[01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:04.760]  That's true, and he's liable.
[01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:07.760]  Why is it that somebody can sign for somebody else in the first place?
[01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:11.760]  Well, only with the power of returning, proper power of returning.
[01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:13.760]  You know, involved in court cases,
[01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.760]  I get court cases or pleadings and stuff all the time.
[01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:21.760]  Well, so-and-so attorney by, you know, so-and-so with permission.
[01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:22.760]  Right.
[01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:25.760]  And I'm going, can they sign like that?
[01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:27.760]  I mean, I don't think I can sign like that.
[01:57:27.760 --> 01:57:28.760]  How can they sign it?
[01:57:28.760 --> 01:57:30.760]  Well, you have to have a proper power of returning,
[01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:32.760]  but how can you have a proper power of returning
[01:57:32.760 --> 01:57:34.760]  from someone that doesn't even exist?
[01:57:34.760 --> 01:57:36.760]  Yeah, no kidding.
[01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:38.760]  I wonder what RA stands for.
[01:57:38.760 --> 01:57:40.760]  That's the interesting part of this.
[01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:42.760]  Regional asshole.
[01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:43.760]  Wait a minute.
[01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:44.760]  No language, Russell.
[01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:45.760]  Careful.
[01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:47.760]  Regional anus rectum.
[01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:48.760]  Yeah, careful.
[01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:50.760]  We have new affiliates.
[01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:51.760]  Be careful.
[01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:52.760]  Sorry.
[01:57:52.760 --> 01:57:56.760]  Well, I mean, the big secret on this thing is what RA stands for,
[01:57:56.760 --> 01:57:59.760]  but this offer doesn't exist.
[01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:00.760]  All right.
[01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:02.760]  Well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:03.760]  We're at the top of the hour.
[01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:06.760]  Tony, we appreciate you joining us and giving us this information
[01:58:06.760 --> 01:58:08.760]  and taking calls with us and everything.
[01:58:08.760 --> 01:58:09.760]  Okay, great.
[01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:10.760]  I had a good time.
[01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:11.760]  Okay, excellent.
[01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.760]  Bye-bye.
[01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:13.760]  Bye-bye.
[01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:15.760]  Okay, we are going to break now.
[01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:17.760]  It's the top of the hour.
[01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:19.760]  We've got more callers on the line.
[01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:21.760]  Russell, you're welcome to stay with us if you like.
[01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:24.760]  We've got Mark from Michigan, Joe from Texas,
[01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:27.760]  Eddie from Texas, callers if you'd like to call in.
[01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:32.760]  We've got two more hours here on our Friday night info marathon,
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[01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:42.760]  Some more Route 1 for you.
[01:58:42.760 --> 01:58:55.760]  Thank you.
[01:59:12.760 --> 01:59:39.760]  He brought the kitchen.
[01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:54.760]  Thank you.