ROL_2009-03-06_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:04.900]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.900 --> 00:10.300]  General Motors warned after an audit it would go bust within 30 days unless the U.S. Treasury
[00:10.300 --> 00:12.460]  lends it another $30 billion.
[00:12.460 --> 00:17.460]  GM has so far received $15 billion from taxpayers.
[00:17.460 --> 00:21.820]  Critics suggest GM will go broke anyway because no one wants its cars.
[00:21.820 --> 00:29.140]  U.S. military officer Michael Dung Enguen was charged with stealing $690,000, intended
[00:29.140 --> 00:34.160]  for relief and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[00:34.160 --> 00:41.340]  The economy shed 651,000 jobs in February, pushing the unemployment rate up to 8.1 percent
[00:41.340 --> 00:50.360]  and making it the worst month for the labor market in 25 years.
[00:50.360 --> 00:56.160]  The New York Times writes that food industry giants like Kellogg rely on private inspectors
[00:56.160 --> 01:01.340]  to ensure that American consumers are being protected from contaminated products.
[01:01.340 --> 01:07.420]  Last spring, Kellogg hired Eugene Hatfield, an expert in fresh produce, to go to the Peanut
[01:07.420 --> 01:12.540]  Corporation of America plant in Georgia to make sure its products were safe to eat.
[01:12.540 --> 01:16.820]  However, the peanut company knew in advance that Hatfield was coming.
[01:16.820 --> 01:21.740]  Hatfield checked the plant, which processed several million pounds of peanuts a month,
[01:21.740 --> 01:23.540]  in less than one day.
[01:23.540 --> 01:29.140]  Hatfield was not aware that peanuts were susceptible to salmonella poisoning, which he was not
[01:29.140 --> 01:31.740]  required to test for anyway.
[01:31.740 --> 01:36.220]  While Hatfield was inspecting the plant on behalf of Kellogg, the Peanut Corporation
[01:36.220 --> 01:38.900]  was also paying him for his efforts.
[01:38.900 --> 01:44.060]  The Peanut Corporation of America is currently facing criminal investigation over eight deaths
[01:44.060 --> 01:56.500]  and hundreds of sickened consumers resulting from a salmonella outbreak.
[01:56.500 --> 02:01.300]  The same legal principles the International Criminal Court used on its arrest warrant
[02:01.300 --> 02:07.140]  for Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir could be used against George Bush.
[02:07.140 --> 02:11.680]  David Crane, an international law professor at Syracuse University, said the principle
[02:11.680 --> 02:17.420]  of law could extend to Bush over claims that officials from his administration engaged
[02:17.420 --> 02:22.780]  in torture by using coercive interrogation techniques on terror suspects.
[02:22.780 --> 02:28.060]  Crane is a former prosecutor of the Sierra Leone Tribunal that indicted Liberian President
[02:28.060 --> 02:31.460]  Charles Taylor and put him on trial at The Hague.
[02:31.460 --> 02:37.660]  Rights group Human Rights Watch said the al-Bashir ruling was likely to fuel discussion about
[02:37.660 --> 02:41.660]  investigations of possible crimes by Bush officials.
[02:41.660 --> 02:48.900]  President Clinton signed the Rome Statute setting up the ICC in 2000 but Bush then unsigned
[02:48.900 --> 03:15.780]  the document in 2002 thereby withdrawing US support for
[03:15.780 --> 03:32.680]  the program.
[03:32.680 --> 03:45.440]  All right, we are back, the rule of law, some more Three Shoes Posse for you, Jerry Stevens,
[03:45.440 --> 03:52.120]  Deborah Stevens, and Patterson Martin, giving them three shoes, two on their feet, and one
[03:52.120 --> 03:53.120]  you-know-where.
[03:53.120 --> 04:00.320]  All right, we are speaking right now with Tony Davis, Mark from Wisconsin, who is one
[04:00.320 --> 04:01.320]  of our affiliates.
[04:01.320 --> 04:05.160]  He is broadcasting our network, thank you for broadcasting us, Mark, and also Russell
[04:05.160 --> 04:06.160]  from Texas.
[04:06.160 --> 04:09.640]  Okay, go ahead, go ahead, Mark, you had some more comments.
[04:09.640 --> 04:14.040]  Yeah, do you remember a host named Chella Castillo on WTPRN?
[04:14.040 --> 04:15.040]  Yes, I do.
[04:15.040 --> 04:22.360]  Do you realize he was scheduled to report for prison, federal prison, yesterday?
[04:22.360 --> 04:24.960]  No, I did not.
[04:24.960 --> 04:27.480]  Yeah, Johnny Sutton finally got him.
[04:27.480 --> 04:33.200]  If people are not aware, Chella Castillo, he used to have a radio show on WTPRN.
[04:33.200 --> 04:34.200]  Powderburns.
[04:34.200 --> 04:35.200]  Powderburns.
[04:35.200 --> 04:41.120]  This is the man who was chief witness against Ali North in the Iran-Contra affair.
[04:41.120 --> 04:45.160]  Well, they finally got him, I guess he did not have the right paperwork when he sold
[04:45.160 --> 04:53.080]  some guns at a gun show, and they are giving him three years for that.
[04:53.080 --> 04:59.920]  He was scheduled to go to prison yesterday, but I guess his attorney got it moved back
[04:59.920 --> 05:01.960]  to July 20th.
[05:01.960 --> 05:08.480]  Anyway, there is all kinds of strange stuff going on with his case, like his attorney,
[05:08.480 --> 05:12.560]  his bar license was suspended.
[05:12.560 --> 05:16.800]  The attorney's son was actually arrested by the ATF, one of the same agents who arrested
[05:16.800 --> 05:17.800]  Chella Castillo.
[05:17.800 --> 05:25.320]  There is just all kinds of strange stuff going on with that.
[05:25.320 --> 05:33.680]  He has also been sentenced to a medical facility because he has diabetes and a heart problem.
[05:33.680 --> 05:38.400]  Let me just read this quote from him, he said, but recently, I thought the judge was doing
[05:38.400 --> 05:43.240]  me a favor by sentencing me to a medical facility, Castillo says, but I recently talked to someone
[05:43.240 --> 05:47.760]  who just got out of one of these medical facilities, and he said, there is not a day that gets
[05:47.760 --> 05:54.160]  by where someone inside does not die because of a dose of wrong medication, overdose of
[05:54.160 --> 05:58.400]  chemo, so maybe it is a death sentence, I cannot tell you.
[05:58.400 --> 06:03.400]  Well, Tony Davis is the expert on federal situations, federal criminal law.
[06:03.400 --> 06:05.400]  Tony, what do you have to say about this?
[06:05.400 --> 06:07.400]  Has he been arraigned yet?
[06:07.400 --> 06:15.480]  He has actually been sentenced, I think he is trying to appeal right now, he is trying
[06:15.480 --> 06:16.480]  to stay out on appeal.
[06:16.480 --> 06:27.720]  There is a good article about it at Narcosphere.narconews.com by Bill Conroy, February 22nd, and Chella Castillo's
[06:27.720 --> 06:29.720]  website is powderburns.org.
[06:29.720 --> 06:35.720]  Yeah, Tony, in case you do not know about Chella Castillo, the reason that they were
[06:35.720 --> 06:41.360]  just itching to do anything to take him down was basically because he came out and went
[06:41.360 --> 06:46.680]  public about the CIA drug trafficking and protecting the drug traffickers.
[06:46.680 --> 06:50.680]  They tried to get even with him.
[06:50.680 --> 06:51.680]  Yeah.
[06:51.680 --> 06:57.040]  So, yeah, they got 36 months even with him so far, and Chella, I think it may be a death
[06:57.040 --> 06:58.040]  sentence.
[06:58.040 --> 07:03.040]  Oh, yeah, well, you know, once they get him in there, they can do whatever they want to
[07:03.040 --> 07:04.040]  with him.
[07:04.040 --> 07:13.480]  There is a case recently, this came out today on the West Coast where they indicted a guy
[07:13.480 --> 07:17.920]  that does a lot of seminars, you know, they do not like seminars, so they indicted this
[07:17.920 --> 07:22.840]  guy that did a bunch of seminars, and they arraigned him today, and he walked out of
[07:22.840 --> 07:25.800]  the arraignment of free man because he said the right things.
[07:25.800 --> 07:26.800]  Wow.
[07:26.800 --> 07:31.400]  Okay, and it has to be the right things, but if you say the right things, you can get your
[07:31.400 --> 07:33.400]  case dismissed at arraignment.
[07:33.400 --> 07:36.240]  Yeah, I think it is a little past that point for Chella.
[07:36.240 --> 07:38.800]  Yeah, well, maybe we can figure out a way to help him.
[07:38.800 --> 07:43.840]  Castillo says he is still trying to find the money and an attorney to handle that appeal.
[07:43.840 --> 07:51.960]  So, if anybody wants to check out what is going on with him, you can go over to powderburns.org,
[07:51.960 --> 07:53.400]  and there is a banner at the very top.
[07:53.400 --> 07:57.240]  You can click on that and find out about his current situation.
[07:57.240 --> 07:59.600]  But that is all I had.
[07:59.600 --> 08:00.600]  Keep doing what you do.
[08:00.600 --> 08:01.600]  We appreciate it.
[08:01.600 --> 08:02.600]  All right.
[08:02.600 --> 08:04.640]  We appreciate you being our affiliate as well.
[08:04.640 --> 08:05.640]  No problem.
[08:05.640 --> 08:06.640]  Good night.
[08:06.640 --> 08:07.640]  Yes.
[08:07.640 --> 08:08.640]  Thanks to people like Mark.
[08:08.640 --> 08:15.040]  We are on about, I believe it is eight FM stations right now and two AM stations.
[08:15.040 --> 08:23.480]  We are on Liberty 1640 AM in Sioux Falls, South Dakota and Omaha, Nebraska.
[08:23.480 --> 08:32.040]  We are on FM station in Madison, Wisconsin, and four FM stations in Oklahoma, and of course
[08:32.040 --> 08:33.560]  here in Austin, Texas.
[08:33.560 --> 08:37.240]  So, we are growing by the day thanks to you listeners.
[08:37.240 --> 08:38.240]  All right.
[08:38.240 --> 08:39.520]  Let us move on now.
[08:39.520 --> 08:41.840]  We are going to go to Rick in California.
[08:41.840 --> 08:43.840]  I have not heard from Rick for a while.
[08:43.840 --> 08:44.840]  Hey, Rick.
[08:44.840 --> 08:45.840]  Thanks for calling in.
[08:45.840 --> 08:46.840]  What do you got for us tonight?
[08:46.840 --> 08:47.840]  Have you been in jail?
[08:47.840 --> 08:48.840]  No, no.
[08:48.840 --> 08:49.840]  Let me ask it now.
[08:49.840 --> 08:55.000]  But, you know, it is very interesting with what is going on here.
[08:55.000 --> 08:56.000]  I got so many tickets.
[08:56.000 --> 08:57.000]  It is not even funny.
[08:57.000 --> 09:04.000]  I haven't gone to court once, like I said before, and I got to go to court March 20th.
[09:04.000 --> 09:10.000]  It is going to be my first actual, I guess, court date of going to court.
[09:10.000 --> 09:13.000]  I think it is for trial.
[09:13.000 --> 09:17.000]  I am sorry, not trial, but for an arraignment.
[09:17.000 --> 09:26.000]  But anyways, my point is that I called because I just recently got evidence that I called
[09:26.000 --> 09:31.000]  a return receipt with the criminal complaint a hundred pages because it is the Department
[09:31.000 --> 09:37.000]  of Justice and Homeland Security accusing the chief of police, the mayors, two cops,
[09:37.000 --> 09:41.000]  and the judge for extortion and a terroristic act.
[09:41.000 --> 09:44.000]  So I am excited about that.
[09:44.000 --> 09:46.000]  I don't know what has happened.
[09:46.000 --> 09:52.000]  But I have a feeling these guys are trying to put me away because I have been seeing
[09:52.000 --> 09:54.000]  a lot of cops following me around.
[09:54.000 --> 09:59.000]  Some of them are plainclothes, at least what I believe to be officers in plainclothes.
[09:59.000 --> 10:01.000]  And recently I got a call.
[10:01.000 --> 10:07.000]  I put up my number, of course, for anybody to call me because that way I can get more
[10:07.000 --> 10:09.000]  results with people that live in the city of Glendale.
[10:09.000 --> 10:14.000]  If they have problems, you might hear their experience, and then you put it up on YouTube.
[10:14.000 --> 10:19.000]  But I got a call the other day, which was a very, very peculiar call, where this gentleman
[10:19.000 --> 10:22.000]  wanted to know all this information but didn't want to offer any.
[10:22.000 --> 10:27.000]  He came to have done so many things, and yet I asked him for a court case, and he never
[10:27.000 --> 10:28.000]  gave me anything.
[10:28.000 --> 10:31.000]  I was very nervous when I started asking him specific questions.
[10:31.000 --> 10:37.000]  I mean, I let it slide, but yes, I think it is going to get more interesting now that
[10:37.000 --> 10:39.000]  I filed these criminal complaints.
[10:39.000 --> 10:42.000]  I think, what, seven more to file?
[10:42.000 --> 10:43.000]  Good.
[10:43.000 --> 10:48.000]  It gets a lot more difficult for them when you go after them.
[10:48.000 --> 10:54.000]  If you just try to defend yourself, even if you do it aggressively, they can still come
[10:54.000 --> 10:57.000]  after you with relative impunity.
[10:57.000 --> 11:02.000]  But when you start going after them and start damaging their careers, they don't want anything
[11:02.000 --> 11:05.000]  to do with you as a rule.
[11:05.000 --> 11:07.000]  Yes, that is true.
[11:07.000 --> 11:12.000]  And I'm actually going to see if I can take a class for legal research because I need
[11:12.000 --> 11:15.000]  to start doing that because I'm really not that good at researching.
[11:15.000 --> 11:18.000]  And you have no choice now.
[11:18.000 --> 11:21.000]  If you don't understand the law, then all they're going to do is abuse you.
[11:21.000 --> 11:24.000]  Yes, that makes sense.
[11:24.000 --> 11:27.000]  But I wanted to...
[11:27.000 --> 11:31.000]  So basically, you're being arraigned for what now?
[11:31.000 --> 11:38.000]  Well, I have like around, I think, 10 or 12 tickets in one city for expired registration.
[11:38.000 --> 11:40.000]  It was pretty much an everyday thing.
[11:40.000 --> 11:46.000]  On one occasion, I got three tickets in one day, so they're getting crazy out there.
[11:46.000 --> 11:51.000]  Have you filed civil action against the municipality for harassment?
[11:51.000 --> 11:53.000]  Not yet.
[11:53.000 --> 12:00.000]  Like I said, I just haven't been able to get around that because I was more, I guess,
[12:00.000 --> 12:05.000]  concentrating more on my criminal complaint going through all the way.
[12:05.000 --> 12:10.000]  And so now that I got this, I feel more relaxed now.
[12:10.000 --> 12:13.000]  I don't feel so stressed out that I might not get there because I was really hoping
[12:13.000 --> 12:18.000]  that I wouldn't get arrested before I got to the Department of Justice and Homeland Security.
[12:18.000 --> 12:22.000]  So I think I'm going to have to start doing that, and I'm going to see what I can do
[12:22.000 --> 12:26.000]  to start getting the ball rolling on that thing.
[12:26.000 --> 12:29.000]  Oh, and another thing, I haven't even filed a criminal complaint.
[12:29.000 --> 12:35.000]  I have an officer pretty much following me, you know, verbally threatening me and stuff,
[12:35.000 --> 12:39.000]  so it's going to be fun when I file a new one.
[12:39.000 --> 12:44.000]  Why don't you file some motions like a motion to reduce the real party in interest
[12:44.000 --> 12:47.000]  because California's just a fictitious entity.
[12:47.000 --> 12:53.000]  It's not a real entity that's suing you as a corporation.
[12:53.000 --> 12:55.000]  Right. Oh, I see.
[12:55.000 --> 12:59.000]  And one question maybe you guys might know.
[12:59.000 --> 13:03.000]  I was able to, you know, I had to force with the David Murnin one,
[13:03.000 --> 13:07.000]  and I was able to do this, but I can't get around how these guys,
[13:07.000 --> 13:11.000]  what they do now is they'll wait for me to stop driving,
[13:11.000 --> 13:13.000]  and then they'll give the car a ticket.
[13:13.000 --> 13:16.000]  They'll cite it with expired registration.
[13:16.000 --> 13:18.000]  I guess somebody told them not to give it to me while I'm driving
[13:18.000 --> 13:20.000]  because they won't stop me no more.
[13:20.000 --> 13:22.000]  But as soon as I turn around, man, these guys are, you know,
[13:22.000 --> 13:25.000]  jumping at my car and putting tickets on there.
[13:25.000 --> 13:30.000]  So that's one of the things so far that I've been told right now.
[13:30.000 --> 13:32.000]  I went to try to register my car,
[13:32.000 --> 13:38.000]  and I can't because I have to pay $500 in tickets, which is incredible.
[13:38.000 --> 13:44.000]  Have you, have you, have you, they've been adjudicated against you?
[13:44.000 --> 13:52.000]  Well, unfortunately, I got so caught up in these criminal complaints that
[13:52.000 --> 13:54.000]  a couple of them, they passed.
[13:54.000 --> 13:56.000]  I told them I contested it.
[13:56.000 --> 13:58.000]  However, they said that I would have to pay first.
[13:58.000 --> 14:01.000]  And since I didn't pay, they said it was too late.
[14:01.000 --> 14:03.000]  But I'm saying I'm not going to pay because I'm not guilty.
[14:03.000 --> 14:07.000]  How can I be paying for something if I haven't been found guilty for it yet?
[14:07.000 --> 14:09.000]  For any parking ticket out here in California,
[14:09.000 --> 14:11.000]  at least in the state of Glendale,
[14:11.000 --> 14:14.000]  you have to pay first in order to have a hearing.
[14:14.000 --> 14:17.000]  And I'm saying, well, you know, it doesn't work that way from what I understand.
[14:17.000 --> 14:19.000]  You know, you're innocent until proven guilty,
[14:19.000 --> 14:25.000]  but I guess I hear they do it different.
[14:25.000 --> 14:26.000]  So many fights.
[14:26.000 --> 14:28.000]  There's too many fights.
[14:28.000 --> 14:29.000]  Yeah.
[14:29.000 --> 14:33.000]  To keep up with all of them.
[14:33.000 --> 14:38.000]  Did you ask for the Oval Office for the judge and the prosecutor?
[14:38.000 --> 14:43.000]  No, I haven't done that yet.
[14:43.000 --> 14:45.000]  Okay, I'll do that.
[14:45.000 --> 14:46.000]  I'm going to do that.
[14:46.000 --> 14:51.000]  And I'll see if I can send you guys some stuff that I've been doing so far.
[14:51.000 --> 14:55.000]  Because I was told today, matter of fact, by a good friend,
[14:55.000 --> 15:01.000]  that a person that sued the city of Glendale and won a substantial amount of money
[15:01.000 --> 15:05.000]  somehow saw my videos and wanted to get in contact with me.
[15:05.000 --> 15:09.000]  But I don't know if that's true or not, but we'll see what happens there.
[15:09.000 --> 15:14.000]  But anyways, I want to say you guys are doing a great, great service to everybody out there
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.000]  because, you know, there really is no outlet.
[15:16.000 --> 15:23.000]  You guys are the only radio station that I know of that does this kind of, you know, talk radio.
[15:23.000 --> 15:26.000]  And I want to thank you guys once again.
[15:26.000 --> 15:27.000]  Thank you, Rick.
[15:27.000 --> 15:28.000]  I've been on here.
[15:28.000 --> 15:29.000]  Thank you, Rick.
[15:29.000 --> 15:35.000]  And I'll let you guys get onto the call because I know how it is you guys are always packed.
[15:35.000 --> 15:37.000]  All right, thank you.
[15:37.000 --> 15:38.000]  Thanks, Rick.
[15:38.000 --> 15:43.000]  Okay, we're going to move on now to Jeff in Maryland.
[15:43.000 --> 15:44.000]  Hey, Jeff, thanks for calling in.
[15:44.000 --> 15:46.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[15:46.000 --> 15:47.000]  Good evening, Deborah.
[15:47.000 --> 15:48.000]  Good evening, Tony.
[15:48.000 --> 15:49.000]  And good evening, Randy.
[15:49.000 --> 15:50.000]  Good evening.
[15:50.000 --> 15:51.000]  Good evening.
[15:51.000 --> 15:54.000]  I wanted to handle something on the mortgage and the foreclosures.
[15:54.000 --> 15:58.000]  I haven't heard it actually stated yet, although it may have been.
[15:58.000 --> 16:02.000]  But I want to sort of handle it right up front.
[16:02.000 --> 16:06.000]  If you take a $100 bill and put it on a photocopy machine and print out a copy of it
[16:06.000 --> 16:10.000]  and put the copy in your left hand and the $100 bill in the right hand,
[16:10.000 --> 16:14.000]  what you have in your left hand is evidence of a $100 bill.
[16:14.000 --> 16:21.000]  What you have in your right hand is evidence of a $100 bill and it is the $100 bill.
[16:21.000 --> 16:30.000]  If you have a copy of a debt, a mortgage, a note, you have evidence of a debt.
[16:30.000 --> 16:36.000]  If you have the original signature note, that is the debt.
[16:36.000 --> 16:37.000]  Indeed.
[16:37.000 --> 16:40.000]  Absent that note, there is no debt.
[16:40.000 --> 16:42.000]  All right, hold on the line, Jeff.
[16:42.000 --> 16:43.000]  We're going to break.
[16:43.000 --> 16:45.000]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[16:45.000 --> 16:50.000]  This is Rule of Law Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on RuleOfLawRadio.com.
[16:50.000 --> 16:58.000]  We'll be right back.
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[19:27.000 --> 19:29.000]  All right, cover up.
[19:29.000 --> 19:30.000]  What's up?
[19:30.000 --> 19:32.000]  Cat got your tongue?
[19:32.000 --> 19:35.000]  It walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
[19:35.000 --> 19:38.000]  It must be a duck.
[19:38.000 --> 19:41.000]  Talking about the mainstream media, cover up business.
[19:41.000 --> 19:45.000]  That's why we're doing what we're doing here at Rule of Law Radio.
[19:45.000 --> 19:47.000]  All right, it looks like Tony Davis has dropped off the line.
[19:47.000 --> 19:51.000]  Hopefully he'll call back because we've got Jeff from Maryland calling in,
[19:51.000 --> 19:56.000]  talking about mortgages and just a disclaimer here at Rule of Law Radio.
[19:56.000 --> 20:02.000]  We cannot advocate making copies that is exact dimensional,
[20:02.000 --> 20:06.000]  identical dimensional copies of any Federal Reserve notes because that is illegal.
[20:06.000 --> 20:10.000]  You cannot take a Federal Reserve note of any denomination
[20:10.000 --> 20:18.000]  and make a copy of it with a photocopier or scan it in with the exact same dimensions.
[20:18.000 --> 20:20.000]  They will come after you.
[20:20.000 --> 20:25.000]  I saw there was a local business here who did that, and they even changed,
[20:25.000 --> 20:29.000]  you know, they changed the wording and the face and everything to make it like coupons for their business.
[20:29.000 --> 20:33.000]  But since it was the exact same size, the feds came after them.
[20:33.000 --> 20:38.000]  So if you're going to do that, I highly recommend changing the dimensions.
[20:38.000 --> 20:40.000]  So just to make that clear.
[20:40.000 --> 20:45.000]  But at any rate, go ahead, Jeff, talking about the original mortgage notes.
[20:45.000 --> 20:49.000]  And if perhaps Tony Davis is out there still listening, you can call back in and comment on this.
[20:49.000 --> 20:51.000]  Okay, great.
[20:51.000 --> 20:55.000]  Actually, in order to be on the safe side, according to government spec,
[20:55.000 --> 20:58.000]  if you make a photocopy of a $100 bill or any dollar bill for that matter,
[20:58.000 --> 21:07.000]  it has to be 151 percent of the original size in order for you not to have problems.
[21:07.000 --> 21:11.000]  It was actually being used more as an illustration.
[21:11.000 --> 21:14.000]  I understand. I understand. I just, I understand.
[21:14.000 --> 21:18.000]  Okay, so I didn't mean to cause you to have to give a disclaimer.
[21:18.000 --> 21:19.000]  That's okay.
[21:19.000 --> 21:30.000]  But the point being that if that note, the original wet ink signature note, is destroyed, that debt is gone.
[21:30.000 --> 21:31.000]  Interesting.
[21:31.000 --> 21:40.000]  Absolutely positively gone because you can sit down and you can make a million copies and certify each one of them.
[21:40.000 --> 21:45.000]  But there's still only evidence of a debt. They are not the debt.
[21:45.000 --> 21:50.000]  If I make a photocopy of the Federal Reserve note and then burn the reserve note.
[21:50.000 --> 21:52.000]  You lost $100.
[21:52.000 --> 21:54.000]  I have evidence that there was a note.
[21:54.000 --> 21:57.000]  There was. There used to be.
[21:57.000 --> 22:02.000]  But I don't have any evidence that it's still in existence.
[22:02.000 --> 22:04.000]  Nope.
[22:04.000 --> 22:06.000]  Do we have case law on that?
[22:06.000 --> 22:07.000]  Pardon?
[22:07.000 --> 22:08.000]  Do we have case law on that?
[22:08.000 --> 22:09.000]  Oh, yeah.
[22:09.000 --> 22:10.000]  Oh, wonderful.
[22:10.000 --> 22:20.000]  You'll find it in, you'll find this under negotiable instruments in, oh gosh, there are two books on it.
[22:20.000 --> 22:25.000]  One came out of Texas, the other came out of California, and I can never remember the names.
[22:25.000 --> 22:31.000]  One of them begins with a C. I can locate the pages for you and send them to you.
[22:31.000 --> 22:39.000]  That would be great because the one thing that I'm looking at as a way to corral judges,
[22:39.000 --> 22:50.000]  is this ministerial duty to apply the standing law to the established facts.
[22:50.000 --> 23:02.000]  Well, this basically was used in several Massachusetts bankruptcy cases that came out with saying that no note, no debt.
[23:02.000 --> 23:09.000]  Bring in the original, and one firm was told a certified copy won't do.
[23:09.000 --> 23:10.000]  Bring in the original.
[23:10.000 --> 23:12.000]  If you've got a certified copy, you must have the original.
[23:12.000 --> 23:13.000]  Bring it in.
[23:13.000 --> 23:15.000]  And they couldn't do it.
[23:15.000 --> 23:16.000]  They didn't have it.
[23:16.000 --> 23:19.000]  They pulled down a certified copy from Mears.
[23:19.000 --> 23:27.000]  They have been, most everybody's been raising that issue, but a lot of the courts are just blowing over it.
[23:27.000 --> 23:29.000]  And what I'm saying is...
[23:29.000 --> 23:31.000]  That's because of custom more than anything else, Randy.
[23:31.000 --> 23:43.000]  What I'm saying is, is if the judge fails to apply the standing law to the facts established, he's violated a ministerial duty.
[23:43.000 --> 23:48.000]  That's not a judicial determination.
[23:48.000 --> 23:55.000]  It's a violation of ministerial duty, and he has no immunity from that.
[23:55.000 --> 23:57.000]  You can sue him.
[23:57.000 --> 24:02.000]  We start taking on the judges personally, they'll start paying more attention.
[24:02.000 --> 24:13.000]  When it costs them more to fight the suit than they get from the attorney on the other side, maybe we'll actually start getting some just courts.
[24:13.000 --> 24:27.000]  Well, I'll give you, for instance, on that, there's a debt collection attorney out in Utah that was hit with RICO actions on debt collection.
[24:27.000 --> 24:33.000]  The original retainer was $50,000, and that was just on one RICO action.
[24:33.000 --> 24:41.000]  Three months into the RICO action, the attorney came back and said, I want another $20,000.
[24:41.000 --> 24:46.000]  And then he got hit with five more.
[24:46.000 --> 24:48.000]  Wait a minute, I didn't understand that.
[24:48.000 --> 24:50.000]  Got hit with five more RICO actions?
[24:50.000 --> 24:53.000]  Five more separate RICO actions.
[24:53.000 --> 24:54.000]  So he had already gotten...
[24:54.000 --> 24:58.000]  He was already $70,000 into the first one when he got hit with five more.
[24:58.000 --> 25:00.000]  Oh, I see.
[25:00.000 --> 25:01.000]  The attorney...
[25:01.000 --> 25:04.000]  This is not the attorney representing...
[25:04.000 --> 25:11.000]  This is your debt collector who has violated all kinds of laws in his debt collection practices.
[25:11.000 --> 25:14.000]  So once the cards started to fall...
[25:14.000 --> 25:16.000]  Oh, yes.
[25:16.000 --> 25:17.000]  It's more like dominoes.
[25:17.000 --> 25:19.000]  Good.
[25:19.000 --> 25:23.000]  I want to start doing this to judges.
[25:23.000 --> 25:26.000]  We really need to start going after them.
[25:26.000 --> 25:29.000]  Well, you have a candidate for that out in California.
[25:29.000 --> 25:36.000]  Bill, who spoke with you the other night in California, really wants to get in touch with you to set this up.
[25:36.000 --> 25:37.000]  Okay.
[25:37.000 --> 25:46.000]  Because he's the one that's had the homeowner's situation that he has filed a complaint and introduced, I think, three or four criminal complaints into the civil action.
[25:46.000 --> 25:48.000]  Yes, good.
[25:48.000 --> 26:03.000]  Because he wants to have a discussion with setting that up and also setting up some sort of a cascading source for out-of-town, out-of-state criminal complaints.
[26:03.000 --> 26:10.000]  I'm wondering if not being a citizen of the state, if I have standing in the state...
[26:10.000 --> 26:14.000]  That was a question that was raised and I wasn't certain about it.
[26:14.000 --> 26:20.000]  Now, as a citizen... If I go into a state and I see a crime committed, I can't report it?
[26:20.000 --> 26:23.000]  If I'm in the state, yes.
[26:23.000 --> 26:34.000]  But if I'm outside the state, I don't know if I have a standing to go into a foreign sovereign jurisdiction and claim standing to report crime.
[26:34.000 --> 26:38.000]  I would think that you would have the same standing as anyone else.
[26:38.000 --> 26:40.000]  But that was an interesting question.
[26:40.000 --> 26:44.000]  Well, Randy, you said that as far as here in Texas, people do.
[26:44.000 --> 26:46.000]  People in Texas.
[26:46.000 --> 26:51.000]  No, you said that somebody outside of Texas, if they have knowledge of a crime in Texas, they can...
[26:51.000 --> 26:53.000]  They're not a commonwealth.
[26:53.000 --> 26:57.000]  For me, that kind of violated one of my rules.
[26:57.000 --> 27:00.000]  That was the conclusion on my part.
[27:00.000 --> 27:06.000]  It wasn't something I know for certain and I was thinking about it.
[27:06.000 --> 27:14.000]  The reason I thought about it is I was in Pennsylvania and I gave the district attorney an information request.
[27:14.000 --> 27:21.000]  And he showed me the statute that said if I wasn't a citizen of Pennsylvania, he didn't have to respond to my request.
[27:21.000 --> 27:23.000]  Interesting.
[27:23.000 --> 27:26.000]  So it raised that issue.
[27:26.000 --> 27:37.000]  I mean, we can certainly file a complaint if it's simply notice. In Pennsylvania, being a commonwealth, you have to have standing to file a complaint.
[27:37.000 --> 27:40.000]  Well, Tony Davis is back on the line.
[27:40.000 --> 27:42.000]  So I would think that anybody could...
[27:42.000 --> 27:44.000]  All it is is notice.
[27:44.000 --> 27:56.000]  All you're doing is saying, yo, bubba, look here, and I wouldn't think you would be restricted from saying, yo, bubba, look here, just because you're out of state.
[27:56.000 --> 27:57.000]  Tony might know that.
[27:57.000 --> 27:58.000]  Yeah, Tony may know about that.
[27:58.000 --> 28:00.000]  Tony, do you know about this?
[28:00.000 --> 28:04.000]  Did the action happen while you were in the state?
[28:04.000 --> 28:10.000]  No, he was talking about if he's out of state and I tell him about it and I'm in the state...
[28:10.000 --> 28:12.000]  And you provide the evidence.
[28:12.000 --> 28:14.000]  And he believes me.
[28:14.000 --> 28:17.000]  Well, actually, this is all you really need to file a complaint.
[28:17.000 --> 28:27.000]  If I tell you, say I tell you that I know this guy, Tony Davis, and he committed this horrible crime, but I'm scared of this guy.
[28:27.000 --> 28:30.000]  So I'm not going to file a complaint against him.
[28:30.000 --> 28:41.000]  If you believe me and you trust my word, you have standing to notify the court that you have reason to believe and do believe.
[28:41.000 --> 28:48.000]  And this is how jailers are the ones that are filing the complaints in the jail.
[28:48.000 --> 28:55.000]  They say, this officer known to me told me all this stuff and I believed him.
[28:55.000 --> 29:01.000]  Therefore, I have reason to believe and do believe that he can file the complaint.
[29:01.000 --> 29:03.000]  And the case law says that...
[29:03.000 --> 29:07.000]  Let's add another twist to that, too, if we can, Randy.
[29:07.000 --> 29:14.000]  But you provide me a copy of the final docket for a criminal case in which there is no criminal complaint.
[29:14.000 --> 29:17.000]  Can I then file a criminal complaint against the magistrate?
[29:17.000 --> 29:20.000]  Yes, impersonating.
[29:20.000 --> 29:23.000]  Yeah, if he's not really an officer, he's a pretend officer.
[29:23.000 --> 29:24.000]  Exactly.
[29:24.000 --> 29:34.000]  That's one of the things I want to do to the judges, where we take them a little more to task when they don't do their judicial duty.
[29:34.000 --> 29:36.000]  All right, well, listen, guys, we're going to break.
[29:36.000 --> 29:40.000]  Jeff, you can hang on if you like.
[29:40.000 --> 29:41.000]  Jeff, don't go away.
[29:41.000 --> 29:43.000]  I'll let you guys tear this one apart.
[29:43.000 --> 29:45.000]  Okay, you can hang on if you like.
[29:45.000 --> 29:48.000]  And then we're going to go to Travis. He's been waiting patiently.
[29:48.000 --> 29:53.000]  And then we've got Johnny from Texas Callers, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984.
[29:53.000 --> 30:10.000]  We'll be right back. This is the rule of law on Rule of Law Radio.
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[31:02.000 --> 31:04.000]  Hello.
[31:04.000 --> 31:07.000]  Yes, George. How good of you to call.
[31:07.000 --> 31:09.000]  Yeah.
[31:09.000 --> 31:13.000]  We had dinner with the Cheneys last week.
[31:13.000 --> 31:18.000]  We had a great time sitting around talking about politics.
[31:18.000 --> 31:28.000]  And I saw when Mr. Cheney was paying for the tab, I saw a big red stain on his wallet.
[31:28.000 --> 31:37.000]  And I was thinking to myself, heavens, you know, the war must be going thin.
[31:37.000 --> 31:50.000]  I've seen red money. Red money is here. It's worth it. It's waiting to feel red money.
[31:50.000 --> 31:58.000]  I don't want to show just death because the money's so red. It's red money.
[31:58.000 --> 32:06.000]  It's all soaked up in blood with jackboots and the mud. It's red money.
[32:06.000 --> 32:13.000]  They used to be so green, green as money that I ever see.
[32:13.000 --> 32:22.000]  They used to back it up with silver and gold, way back in the days of old.
[32:22.000 --> 32:30.000]  Oh mommy, oh mommy, please protect us from this bloody comic.
[32:30.000 --> 32:38.000]  The free republic that I used to know started to look just like the manifesto.
[32:38.000 --> 32:50.000]  Whoa, look at all that red money.
[32:50.000 --> 32:57.000]  All right, red money. Talking about that funny money, Federal Reserve.
[32:57.000 --> 33:02.000]  All right, looks like we've lost Tony again.
[33:02.000 --> 33:07.000]  All right, let's move on to Travis in Minnesota.
[33:07.000 --> 33:11.000]  Travis, thanks for holding. What's on your mind tonight?
[33:11.000 --> 33:22.000]  Well, someone had mentioned JFK that wanted to reinforce the United States note.
[33:22.000 --> 33:28.000]  That was not a federal note. The special thing about those was they were debt-free instruments.
[33:28.000 --> 33:35.000]  There was no interest applied to that type of bill.
[33:35.000 --> 33:41.000]  The thing I wanted to add was that the day after his assassination,
[33:41.000 --> 33:57.000]  it seems that the red steel United States note was recalled from circulation, which is quite interesting.
[33:57.000 --> 34:02.000]  And then moving on, staying on the topic of money,
[34:02.000 --> 34:08.000]  I was wondering if anybody had heard about the CAFRA report.
[34:08.000 --> 34:16.000]  And I guess it's too bad Tony got off the line. I know he knows a lot about the whole money thing.
[34:16.000 --> 34:21.000]  The CAFRA report, Comprehensive Annual Financial Report.
[34:21.000 --> 34:26.000]  And I'm not going to really talk much about it because I don't have the expertise,
[34:26.000 --> 34:34.000]  but I'd be interested in knowing a little bit more and trying to understand how I could identify,
[34:34.000 --> 34:38.000]  you know, any evidence that would be present in the CAFRA report.
[34:38.000 --> 34:46.000]  And since some people started trying to bring light to the issue,
[34:46.000 --> 34:55.000]  the numbers and the way they've been done has been changed to maybe leave less
[34:55.000 --> 35:02.000]  or no indication of the hanky-panky that has been allegedly going on.
[35:02.000 --> 35:11.000]  It used to be able to be identified by, you know, somebody competent, you know, reading the CAFRAs.
[35:11.000 --> 35:18.000]  And it's like a two-tier budget, a two-tier accounting system with a budget report
[35:18.000 --> 35:24.000]  is more based on operating costs supposedly and maybe projections.
[35:24.000 --> 35:30.000]  And the CAFRA report actually talks about true wherewithal,
[35:30.000 --> 35:33.000]  including many different types of investments,
[35:33.000 --> 35:41.000]  although the allegation is that sometime around the somewhere between the 90s to 2000s
[35:41.000 --> 35:50.000]  that the CAFRA reports are now increasingly misleading since some people have been catching on.
[35:50.000 --> 35:56.000]  Anyways, if anybody has any information about that, I'd love to hear discussed a little bit.
[35:56.000 --> 36:05.000]  Then I was interested in asking about is that political jurisdiction, specifically political jurisdiction,
[36:05.000 --> 36:12.000]  ever anything, is that ever anything that you've heard of being successfully challenged in court,
[36:12.000 --> 36:20.000]  especially before anything else happens to preclude anything else from happening?
[36:20.000 --> 36:29.000]  By political jurisdiction, do you mean that as distinct from statutory jurisdiction?
[36:29.000 --> 36:35.000]  I believe so, and maybe it has something to do with citizenship.
[36:35.000 --> 36:40.000]  I don't believe that a contract is really binding if it's, you know,
[36:40.000 --> 36:46.000]  there's not full disclosure, you know, as to the terms and conditions and effects.
[36:46.000 --> 36:53.000]  And so when you're born, you know, if you in fact are born, of course none of us,
[36:53.000 --> 37:03.000]  most of us don't remember being born and we would have to rely on somebody else's testimony to, you know,
[37:03.000 --> 37:05.000]  and believe it or not.
[37:05.000 --> 37:11.000]  So I'm not trying to tell people maybe they weren't born, but what I am saying is in our court, you know,
[37:11.000 --> 37:19.000]  I would say being inadmissible, you know, establishing one's identity on the record,
[37:19.000 --> 37:29.000]  maybe to commit perjury if you are to say what's your birth date, what state you're born in,
[37:29.000 --> 37:33.000]  who your mom is, and all these other things.
[37:33.000 --> 37:39.000]  Unless the person that actually was the witness and remembers comes in and says himself,
[37:39.000 --> 37:42.000]  and I believe it's simply hearsay.
[37:42.000 --> 37:47.000]  And I'd be interested in knowing if you guys have any ideas on how to, you know,
[37:47.000 --> 37:52.000]  make that a strong positioning or if it's even possible.
[37:52.000 --> 37:53.000]  You can.
[37:53.000 --> 38:02.000]  So I have heard at least one person really stand by in their claims and claim that it's been working
[38:02.000 --> 38:13.000]  for them consistently for some four decades from IRS problems to regular court problems.
[38:13.000 --> 38:21.000]  I hear these stories, but when I try to get specifics, I tend to never get specifics.
[38:21.000 --> 38:29.000]  This idea of saying that you don't know when you were born and that if you did state the date you were born,
[38:29.000 --> 38:32.000]  it would be perjury, it would be no such thing.
[38:32.000 --> 38:38.000]  Whoever's saying that doesn't understand the nature of perjury.
[38:38.000 --> 38:44.000]  Perjury is when you deliberately misrepresent a fact.
[38:44.000 --> 38:53.000]  If you honestly believe that you were born on a certain day and you testify to what you're honest to believe,
[38:53.000 --> 38:56.000]  that's not perjury.
[38:56.000 --> 39:01.000]  Even if somebody told you wrong, it's still not perjury.
[39:01.000 --> 39:04.000]  Perjury goes to intent.
[39:04.000 --> 39:10.000]  And I never understood that argument anyway.
[39:10.000 --> 39:18.000]  What difference does it make if I was born on the 6th of July or the 7th or the 8th or the 9th?
[39:18.000 --> 39:27.000]  Well, burden of proof is on the accuser in a criminal proceeding, I believe.
[39:27.000 --> 39:32.000]  That means nobody can force you to help them identify you, and if they can't prove it, then...
[39:32.000 --> 39:34.000]  No, that's not true.
[39:34.000 --> 39:35.000]  You can't be forced.
[39:35.000 --> 39:38.000]  That's not necessarily true.
[39:38.000 --> 39:47.000]  You can't be forced to give information that can be used against you in a court of law.
[39:47.000 --> 39:52.000]  Your date of birth can hardly be used against you.
[39:52.000 --> 39:53.000]  Okay.
[39:53.000 --> 40:00.000]  Then to answer the question of identification such as what's your birth date,
[40:00.000 --> 40:11.000]  instead of saying you don't know because that could be actually, I guess, argued to be perjury,
[40:11.000 --> 40:31.000]  would it not be a pretty strong response to say that when I was born, I had no idea what I was, where I was?
[40:31.000 --> 40:36.000]  That could get you contempt to court.
[40:36.000 --> 40:39.000]  Well, how about just simply saying I don't remember?
[40:39.000 --> 40:44.000]  That could also get you contempt to court.
[40:44.000 --> 40:52.000]  If you have a smart attorney, he'll say, has anyone ever told you when you were born?
[40:52.000 --> 40:55.000]  Did your mother ever tell you the date you were born?
[40:55.000 --> 40:58.000]  Did you believe your mother?
[40:58.000 --> 41:02.000]  Then that's sufficient.
[41:02.000 --> 41:11.000]  This argument, we have a lot of things we can do in court that matter.
[41:11.000 --> 41:14.000]  I get all these people doing all these things.
[41:14.000 --> 41:18.000]  They're making distinctions without a difference.
[41:18.000 --> 41:22.000]  Telling the court that you don't remember when you were born, that's just saying,
[41:22.000 --> 41:25.000]  why don't you kick me in the behind because I'm a smart ass
[41:25.000 --> 41:30.000]  and I'm just going to annoy you with unimportant irritations.
[41:30.000 --> 41:38.000]  Unless it's really important, why would you even do that?
[41:38.000 --> 41:45.000]  I can't think of an instance where whether or not I actually personally remember the date of my birth,
[41:45.000 --> 41:49.000]  I can't imagine where that matters, where that's important.
[41:49.000 --> 41:53.000]  But they can't really proceed to charge you with anything if they can't even identify you for the record, right?
[41:53.000 --> 42:01.000]  They don't have to know your date of birth. All they have to do is have prima facie.
[42:01.000 --> 42:05.000]  If somebody says, yeah, this looks like the guy.
[42:05.000 --> 42:08.000]  I believe this is the guy that I saw commit this crime.
[42:08.000 --> 42:11.000]  The police officer points at you and says, that's him.
[42:11.000 --> 42:14.000]  That's prima facie.
[42:14.000 --> 42:18.000]  They don't need date of birth. They don't need name. They don't need anything.
[42:18.000 --> 42:28.000]  What exactly could a dictionary entry explain prima facie as, maybe an elementary school dictionary?
[42:28.000 --> 42:31.000]  Prima facie on the face of it.
[42:31.000 --> 42:38.000]  When you have testimony under oath from a credible citizen,
[42:38.000 --> 42:43.000]  his testimony will establish prima facie evidence.
[42:43.000 --> 42:47.000]  Can prima facie be based on anything other than somebody's credible testimony?
[42:47.000 --> 42:54.000]  Sure. A video or a photograph, fingerprints,
[42:54.000 --> 43:02.000]  any evidence that would give a reasonable person cause to believe a set of facts.
[43:02.000 --> 43:09.000]  Once that evidence is in the court, now that creates prima facie.
[43:09.000 --> 43:19.000]  Now the onus is on the other party to show that the evidence is not true.
[43:19.000 --> 43:23.000]  On the face of it, you're considered innocent until proven guilty.
[43:23.000 --> 43:28.000]  So you come into court and the first thing that has to happen is the prosecution has to show
[43:28.000 --> 43:32.000]  at least prima facie evidence that you're guilty.
[43:32.000 --> 43:36.000]  Now the onus shifts to you to refute the evidence.
[43:36.000 --> 43:39.000]  All right, listen, we're going to break. We're going to talk about this on the other side.
[43:39.000 --> 43:45.000]  We've also got Johnny from Texas, Russell from Texas and Chris Emery from Oklahoma, one of our hosts.
[43:45.000 --> 43:59.000]  We'll be right back. This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on Rule of Law Radio.
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[45:13.000 --> 45:30.000]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty
[45:30.000 --> 45:37.000]  I read his book and he says he cares not for the unsightly
[45:37.000 --> 45:46.000]  These warmongers come by that term rightly
[45:46.000 --> 45:49.000]  I won't pay for the war with my body
[45:49.000 --> 45:52.000]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money
[45:52.000 --> 45:56.000]  I won't pay for the fun with my body
[45:56.000 --> 45:59.000]  Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy
[45:59.000 --> 46:03.000]  Ain't gonna pay for the war with my body
[46:03.000 --> 46:06.000]  I won't pay for the boys with my money
[46:06.000 --> 46:10.000]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body
[46:10.000 --> 46:13.000]  Their whole agenda smells funny
[46:13.000 --> 46:20.000]  I wanna fight in a war of my own
[46:20.000 --> 46:27.000]  That one would be less active than a pro
[46:27.000 --> 46:32.000]  I wanna pay for a war of my own
[46:32.000 --> 46:37.000]  All right, we're fighting a war of our own.
[46:37.000 --> 46:39.000]  We're making the rules here.
[46:39.000 --> 46:46.000]  This is Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on Rule of Law Radio, ruleoflawradio.com.
[46:46.000 --> 46:49.000]  And we're speaking with Travis from Minnesota.
[46:49.000 --> 46:52.000]  We've also got Chris Emery from Oklahoma on the line.
[46:52.000 --> 46:53.000]  He's one of our hosts.
[46:53.000 --> 46:56.000]  Chris is standing in the wings, so just hang on tight, Chris.
[46:56.000 --> 46:59.000]  We've also got Johnny from Texas, Russell from Texas.
[46:59.000 --> 47:05.000]  And we're finishing up with Travis talking about whether or not we remember when we were born
[47:05.000 --> 47:09.000]  and what purpose that would serve in court anyway.
[47:09.000 --> 47:13.000]  Let me qualify my criticism a bit.
[47:13.000 --> 47:17.000]  It's a matter of the posture that I take.
[47:17.000 --> 47:23.000]  I tend to take on officials in the house that they live in.
[47:23.000 --> 47:28.000]  And I know there's a lot of people out there in legal reform who take other approaches.
[47:28.000 --> 47:30.000]  They sound like I'm critical to them.
[47:30.000 --> 47:32.000]  It's not my intent.
[47:32.000 --> 47:45.000]  It's just that we need to craft our approach carefully and pick our battles very carefully.
[47:45.000 --> 47:52.000]  When I go into court, I only wanna fight about things that matter, the things that are important.
[47:52.000 --> 47:58.000]  And if there is a situation where my date of birth becomes important,
[47:58.000 --> 48:05.000]  then I wouldn't mind at all telling the judge that, I don't know, I was a really young kid then.
[48:05.000 --> 48:07.000]  I don't remember.
[48:07.000 --> 48:09.000]  But only if it's important.
[48:09.000 --> 48:16.000]  I don't want to unnecessarily anger and set everybody against me.
[48:16.000 --> 48:20.000]  I think it's in the context of just not wanting to be in court at all,
[48:20.000 --> 48:23.000]  not wanting to fight anybody in their own house,
[48:23.000 --> 48:29.000]  but just wanting to be left alone and get something thrown out and walk away and forget about it.
[48:29.000 --> 48:34.000]  Well, the problem with making that particular argument,
[48:34.000 --> 48:40.000]  all you're gonna do is get them mad at you and make them want to kick you.
[48:40.000 --> 48:45.000]  If you don't want to be in court and you feel like they don't have subject matter jurisdiction,
[48:45.000 --> 48:47.000]  take them on for that.
[48:47.000 --> 48:52.000]  Take them on for things that they will have to deal with.
[48:52.000 --> 48:59.000]  Now, a lot of people say, you should file your documents as affidavits.
[48:59.000 --> 49:04.000]  And I tell them, no.
[49:04.000 --> 49:07.000]  Demand that the court do their jobs.
[49:07.000 --> 49:09.000]  Don't file as affidavits, file as motions.
[49:09.000 --> 49:14.000]  If you want to enter a fact into the court, file as an affidavit.
[49:14.000 --> 49:17.000]  But if you want the court to do something, demand that he do it.
[49:17.000 --> 49:18.000]  Don't come in there and ask.
[49:18.000 --> 49:22.000]  A motion is not a polite request.
[49:22.000 --> 49:25.000]  A motion is a demand.
[49:25.000 --> 49:30.000]  Do you generally go in a motion towards the end or beginning or wherever or what?
[49:30.000 --> 49:32.000]  Toward the end.
[49:32.000 --> 49:33.000]  Okay.
[49:33.000 --> 49:36.000]  You tell the court what you want.
[49:36.000 --> 49:41.000]  You give the court the facts.
[49:41.000 --> 49:46.000]  Then you give the court the law that applies to those facts.
[49:46.000 --> 49:52.000]  And then you request that the court issue an order.
[49:52.000 --> 49:56.000]  But people think of that as conjoining the court or asking the court.
[49:56.000 --> 49:58.000]  No, that's the court's duty.
[49:58.000 --> 50:02.000]  And that's one of the things I'm looking at as a way to handle judges,
[50:02.000 --> 50:08.000]  is once I've given the judge the facts that have been developed in the case
[50:08.000 --> 50:11.000]  and the law applying to those facts,
[50:11.000 --> 50:16.000]  unless the other side can give them some contravening law,
[50:16.000 --> 50:23.000]  the judge has a ministerial duty to apply that law to those facts.
[50:23.000 --> 50:27.000]  This is not something he has an option about.
[50:27.000 --> 50:32.000]  So in a motion, you demand that the court do his job.
[50:32.000 --> 50:34.000]  Yeah.
[50:34.000 --> 50:43.000]  And we try to avoid issues that even if I win it, it doesn't change anything.
[50:43.000 --> 50:51.000]  If I win not giving them my date of birth, if I'm in a traffic court.
[50:51.000 --> 50:58.000]  I think the whole reason to deprive the court of the ability of you identifying
[50:58.000 --> 51:04.000]  yourself to them is because first the political jurisdiction challenge comes in
[51:04.000 --> 51:09.000]  as one may say they never applied for citizenship.
[51:09.000 --> 51:12.000]  How can they renounce that which they never applied for?
[51:12.000 --> 51:17.000]  And then that's the ensuing questions is like birth date, place of birth,
[51:17.000 --> 51:21.000]  who is your mom, what's your SS?
[51:21.000 --> 51:23.000]  I don't have a Social Security number.
[51:23.000 --> 51:25.000]  I have no idea.
[51:25.000 --> 51:29.000]  Yeah, but only raise that issue if it's pertinent.
[51:29.000 --> 51:31.000]  Well, I think what he's trying to say, Randy,
[51:31.000 --> 51:35.000]  is he's trying to use those little things to just get the whole thing thrown out
[51:35.000 --> 51:37.000]  of court from the get-go.
[51:37.000 --> 51:40.000]  So my question is, how is it pertinent?
[51:40.000 --> 51:42.000]  How does it help you get it thrown out?
[51:42.000 --> 51:46.000]  Well, under certain circumstances, they don't have jurisdiction over you
[51:46.000 --> 51:52.000]  if you're not a citizen for certain purposes, I believe.
[51:52.000 --> 51:55.000]  Well, if it's criminal, they do.
[51:55.000 --> 52:01.000]  Right, but maybe not criminal, maybe IRS or something.
[52:01.000 --> 52:03.000]  Do you keep an IRS dust?
[52:03.000 --> 52:05.000]  Pardon me?
[52:05.000 --> 52:11.000]  I don't know of a case where if you're within the physical boundaries,
[52:11.000 --> 52:17.000]  it doesn't seem most criminal and most civil, as far as I know,
[52:17.000 --> 52:21.000]  your citizenship is not relevant.
[52:21.000 --> 52:25.000]  Unless you're going to an immigration issue.
[52:25.000 --> 52:30.000]  If you commit a tort against me or contractual violation against me,
[52:30.000 --> 52:32.000]  your citizenship doesn't matter.
[52:32.000 --> 52:39.000]  If you violate a law, a penal law, the state, citizenship doesn't matter.
[52:39.000 --> 52:46.000]  There may be occasions where citizenship matters, but very, very few.
[52:46.000 --> 52:49.000]  Well, you know, the 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude
[52:49.000 --> 52:53.000]  from existing with the accepted punishment for a crime
[52:53.000 --> 52:58.000]  after a duly provided conviction, where the 14th Amendment sets up,
[52:58.000 --> 53:04.000]  basically tries to set up involuntary servitude
[53:04.000 --> 53:11.000]  by saying that all persons born within the United States
[53:11.000 --> 53:16.000]  or naturalized are citizens and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
[53:16.000 --> 53:20.000]  How does that go to involuntary servitude?
[53:20.000 --> 53:22.000]  Because just by being born in the United States,
[53:22.000 --> 53:25.000]  all of a sudden you're an automatic citizen
[53:25.000 --> 53:30.000]  and you're bound by the contractual citizenship
[53:30.000 --> 53:32.000]  and everything that comes with it,
[53:32.000 --> 53:37.000]  and you have the right to shut up and pay up, you know?
[53:37.000 --> 53:39.000]  No, that's not why you're bound.
[53:39.000 --> 53:42.000]  Bound because you're there,
[53:42.000 --> 53:45.000]  because you are in the United States or you are in the state.
[53:45.000 --> 53:48.000]  Well, the United States, it doesn't exist in nature.
[53:48.000 --> 53:51.000]  It's an artificial entity.
[53:51.000 --> 53:56.000]  Okay, I know that argument, but you're not going to win it.
[53:56.000 --> 53:57.000]  Okay.
[53:57.000 --> 54:00.000]  I mean, in the world we're living in right now,
[54:00.000 --> 54:02.000]  you're not going to win that argument.
[54:02.000 --> 54:04.000]  That's right.
[54:04.000 --> 54:06.000]  I agree.
[54:06.000 --> 54:08.000]  A lot of these arguments I agree with.
[54:08.000 --> 54:09.000]  You're right.
[54:09.000 --> 54:10.000]  You're right to travel.
[54:10.000 --> 54:13.000]  Absolutely, you're right.
[54:13.000 --> 54:15.000]  But you're not going to win that one.
[54:15.000 --> 54:18.000]  You're not a taxpayer because you don't live in the United States.
[54:18.000 --> 54:20.000]  You live in the sovereign state,
[54:20.000 --> 54:23.000]  unless you live in D.C. or Guam, Puerto Rico,
[54:23.000 --> 54:26.000]  or you live at the federal courthouse.
[54:26.000 --> 54:30.000]  As far as to deny being a person, an individual, an entity,
[54:30.000 --> 54:32.000]  or any of those things,
[54:32.000 --> 54:37.000]  if all those things are subject to that jurisdiction.
[54:37.000 --> 54:40.000]  The problem is it doesn't matter.
[54:40.000 --> 54:44.000]  You're not going to win that fight.
[54:44.000 --> 54:49.000]  No matter how correct you are, you're not going to win that one.
[54:49.000 --> 54:50.000]  Okay.
[54:50.000 --> 54:57.000]  And we've got a lot of guys out here advocating that people fight battles
[54:57.000 --> 54:58.000]  that they're not going to win.
[54:58.000 --> 55:03.000]  Becraft, the court told Becraft,
[55:03.000 --> 55:09.000]  the last person you brought to us on this argument, we put him in jail.
[55:09.000 --> 55:12.000]  Now you've brought another person with the exact same argument,
[55:12.000 --> 55:15.000]  and you give us a 400-page brief.
[55:15.000 --> 55:18.000]  We have been ruling this way,
[55:18.000 --> 55:21.000]  and this is where he claimed that the person wasn't a taxpayer.
[55:21.000 --> 55:27.000]  We have been ruling this way for 70 years.
[55:27.000 --> 55:32.000]  We're not going to change because you gave us a 400-page brief,
[55:32.000 --> 55:36.000]  and they sanctioned him $5,000 and put his guy in jail.
[55:36.000 --> 55:39.000]  Do you know anything about that book called Cracking the Code?
[55:39.000 --> 55:40.000]  Oh, yeah.
[55:40.000 --> 55:42.000]  What do you think of that?
[55:42.000 --> 55:43.000]  I haven't studied it,
[55:43.000 --> 55:50.000]  but so many people say it's an excellent work that I have to accept that it is.
[55:50.000 --> 55:52.000]  Tax is not my study.
[55:52.000 --> 55:56.000]  Well, apparently, four out of the past five years,
[55:56.000 --> 56:02.000]  the IRS, the feds, they asked them to try to shut them down,
[56:02.000 --> 56:05.000]  and apparently right now they're trying to do it again.
[56:05.000 --> 56:11.000]  Everybody better go buy your copy right now or buy a case before it's not available
[56:11.000 --> 56:13.000]  or obscure and hard to find.
[56:13.000 --> 56:17.000]  With the Internet, they will never make it obscure and hard to find.
[56:17.000 --> 56:18.000]  Yeah, that's going to happen.
[56:18.000 --> 56:20.000]  Yeah, that one's too common.
[56:20.000 --> 56:21.000]  It's too much out there.
[56:21.000 --> 56:25.000]  The problem is we have to get our courts back.
[56:25.000 --> 56:27.000]  What about Internet 2, though?
[56:27.000 --> 56:29.000]  What about when that takes over?
[56:29.000 --> 56:35.000]  As long as there's freedom-loving people with a computer and a phone line,
[56:35.000 --> 56:37.000]  they're never going to be able to shut down the Internet.
[56:37.000 --> 56:40.000]  That's just all there is to it.
[56:40.000 --> 56:43.000]  They're just not going to be able to do it, Travis.
[56:43.000 --> 56:47.000]  What they're going to do is they're going to try to restrict people's access to it.
[56:47.000 --> 56:50.000]  What they're going to do is what they're doing in Canada right now,
[56:50.000 --> 56:56.000]  which is selling Internet service as a subscription package,
[56:56.000 --> 56:59.000]  much as you would subscribe to cable TV,
[56:59.000 --> 57:05.000]  and you get a set of websites that you're allowed to go to for free,
[57:05.000 --> 57:08.000]  like you would have a set of cable channels that you're allowed to go to,
[57:08.000 --> 57:13.000]  and if you want to browse the Internet as a whole,
[57:13.000 --> 57:17.000]  then you've got to pay per site and stuff like that,
[57:17.000 --> 57:21.000]  but that can all be gotten around easily through tunneling and encryption.
[57:21.000 --> 57:25.000]  Listen, America is the land of the hackers.
[57:25.000 --> 57:31.000]  As long as there is telephone lines and people with computers
[57:31.000 --> 57:34.000]  with a little bit of ingenuity, they'll never be able to shut down the Internet.
[57:34.000 --> 57:36.000]  They will just not be able to, period.
[57:36.000 --> 57:38.000]  The Internet will always be there.
[57:38.000 --> 57:40.000]  The real Internet will always be there.
[57:40.000 --> 57:45.000]  They're just going to try to come up with creative ways of restricting people's access to it,
[57:45.000 --> 57:47.000]  but people will always be able to access it.
[57:47.000 --> 57:49.000]  That's just not going to happen.
[57:49.000 --> 57:51.000]  The world is dependent on it.
[57:51.000 --> 57:52.000]  They can't shut down the Internet.
[57:52.000 --> 57:55.000]  They couldn't shut it down if they tried.
[57:55.000 --> 57:56.000]  Okay.
[57:56.000 --> 57:57.000]  It just can't happen.
[57:57.000 --> 57:59.000]  I just don't believe it can happen.
[57:59.000 --> 58:04.000]  Now, I'm hoping that you guys will allow me to jump a little bit.
[58:04.000 --> 58:05.000]  Okay, wait a minute.
[58:05.000 --> 58:06.000]  We're going to break, Travis,
[58:06.000 --> 58:09.000]  and then I want to put you on hold for a moment because I want to bring up Chris Emery.
[58:09.000 --> 58:10.000]  He's one of our hosts.
[58:10.000 --> 58:13.000]  As soon as we get back on the other side, I would like to bring up Chris,
[58:13.000 --> 58:14.000]  and then we'll go back to you.
[58:14.000 --> 58:15.000]  Okay, Travis?
[58:15.000 --> 58:16.000]  Thank you.
[58:16.000 --> 58:17.000]  Okay, all right.
[58:17.000 --> 58:21.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
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[01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:36.000]  All right, we are back. The Rule of Law on Rule of Law Radio, ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:43.000]  We are here with Randy Kelton tonight, and I wanted to bring up our host,
[01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:47.000]  one of the hosts on this network, Chris Emery from Radio Free Oklahoma.
[01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:53.000]  His show airs from 8 to 10 p.m. every Wednesday night. Excellent show.
[01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.000]  Chris, thanks for joining us this evening. What do you have for us?
[01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:00.000]  Hi. I wanted to thank you for bringing me up, Deborah. I'll be brief.
[01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.000]  The topic of Stella Castillo and Mark Colling from Madison on that,
[01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.000]  I know for a fact that James McDougall,
[01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:12.000]  who was one of the culprits in the Madison guarantee savings and loan scandal
[01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.000]  back when the Clintons were first getting into the White House,
[01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:20.000]  he was actually housed at a federal prison medical facility in Fort Worth,
[01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.000]  about seven miles from where he used to live there.
[01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:27.000]  It was on the southwest side of Fort Worth off of Interstate 20.
[01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:32.000]  Every time I would pass that up to run errands around the Metroplex,
[01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.000]  and I always remember James McDougall died there
[01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.000]  because they withheld his heart medication.
[01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.000]  And I thought that was, you know, it was a setup.
[01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:47.000]  Definitely what I think was quintessential Clinton type of scandal
[01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:53.000]  where you didn't want the particular witnesses to come forth and stay alive.
[01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:58.000]  Anyway, another case, James Traffican, former House U.S. Representative.
[01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.000]  He had a lot of very incriminating information on the Oklahoma City bombing,
[01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.000]  information that never came out, dealing with the security of the Murrah Building,
[01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:12.000]  as well as his concern about other GSA administration shortfalls
[01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.000]  that actually enabled the case to move forward.
[01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.000]  In fact, he was ready to go on the House floor five days before 9-11,
[01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.000]  and of course that never happened.
[01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.000]  He never got to present his information.
[01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:31.000]  He was in a medical facility out in, I believe it was central Pennsylvania,
[01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.000]  and when I was doing a talk out in that country,
[01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.000]  I drove about 20 miles from that facility.
[01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:36.000]  Nobody knows where he is.
[01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:42.000]  So, Celica Steele, it looks like he may be setting himself up to fail and not by choice,
[01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:47.000]  and I would urge, I don't know what his medical situation is,
[01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:51.000]  but we have to do what we can to make sure that he stays out of those
[01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.000]  because we may never see him again.
[01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:56.000]  And I'm not wishing your will on him, but the chances aren't good.
[01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:00.000]  And that's the judges and the prosecutors,
[01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.000]  pretty much their way of putting these guys out the pasture.
[01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:06.000]  We may never see them again.
[01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:11.000]  So you're saying that if he goes in there with medical conditions,
[01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.000]  that good chance he'll never come out?
[01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.000]  Well, yeah.
[01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.000]  Don't you remember what our previous caller was saying, Mark from Wisconsin?
[01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.000]  He was saying that, Selly was saying that in these medical facilities,
[01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:26.000]  these federal medical facilities, at least one person dies every day
[01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:35.000]  due to an overdose of their medication or given the wrong medication, so to speak.
[01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:39.000]  Well, the Texas Monthly did a great write-up on the McDougal case
[01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:42.000]  in the Fort Worth facility as well as the Dallas Morning News,
[01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:47.000]  and I happened to talk to a former physician with the Clintons
[01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.000]  that pretty much corroborated a lot of that information.
[01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.000]  He had since moved to the Dallas Fort Worth area from Little Rock,
[01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.000]  and he knew what happened to James McDougal.
[01:03:54.000 --> 01:04:02.000]  So I'm basically very concerned about what Selly is going to be getting himself into,
[01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.000]  and I know he doesn't have much of a choice at this point.
[01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.000]  Three years is going to be like hell for him, and I hate to see that happen to him.
[01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:12.000]  And remember, he is a whistleblower, okay?
[01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:13.000]  Yeah, very much so.
[01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:16.000]  And the whistleblowers are the big targets.
[01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.000]  Anyway, that's all I had to say, guys. I'll let you go.
[01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.000]  I know you have other callers on the line.
[01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.000]  Oh, I did have a question for you, Chris.
[01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:23.000]  Go ahead.
[01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.000]  What about this Article 10 movement in…
[01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.000]  Oh, yeah, give us the update, Chris.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:34.000]  In fact, we got an email from Charles Key's secretary today.
[01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.000]  I sent it out, and I think I copied you guys on it too.
[01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:41.000]  It was a brilliant move, both on the Senate side and the House side.
[01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.000]  Charles Key authored the House version of it.
[01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  It passed two and a half weeks ago.
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:54.000]  Senator Randy Brogdon from Owasso, a suburb of Tulsa, actually his measure passed on Wednesday.
[01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:00.000]  There are 48 senators in the State House, and it passed by the 25 to 17 majority vote.
[01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.000]  So that's actually going to the House side, where Charles is going to the Senate.
[01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:09.000]  It's a redundant move, which is great, because we know that it's going to pass in the House.
[01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.000]  Charles's bill passed in the House by 83 to 13.
[01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:18.000]  So anyway, she urges us to call both the Senate and the House side
[01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:24.000]  and ask the representatives to support both and the senators to support both measures.
[01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:29.000]  And when that comes to, when it passes, it's going to be signed, and it will actually go into law.
[01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:32.000]  It will be the rule of law on the books in the State of Oklahoma,
[01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.000]  the very first time in the history of the state.
[01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.000]  And then the letter will be sent to every single U.S. representative
[01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.000]  and every U.S. senator and the president's office.
[01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.000]  What actual effect will it have?
[01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  It will basically tell, and it is a matter of law.
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.000]  It's not going to be just a resolution.
[01:05:52.000 --> 01:06:02.000]  It will tell the federal government to not to enable, actually, I shall say, burden the states
[01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:08.000]  with extra policies and laws that aren't within the realm of the U.S. Constitution.
[01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:13.000]  The feds are coming in and saying, you need to do, for instance, No Child Left Behind,
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.000]  and you're going to fund it.
[01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.000]  Oklahoma is saying, no, we're not.
[01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  And by the way, this is our law telling you that we are not.
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.000]  And you have no permission to come in to this state anymore, to our state house,
[01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:30.000]  and tell us what to do regarding that type of legislation or those type of mandates.
[01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:31.000]  Good for them.
[01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:37.000]  I think for anybody in legal reform, this is as big a win as we could hope for.
[01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.000]  Oh, and it's going to be a landslide.
[01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:40.000]  This is the finger in the dike.
[01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.000]  Once that all gets out, it's going to come out.
[01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.000]  And there are other states in line to do this.
[01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:50.000]  So it's going to put the federal government as an entity in check.
[01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  They're overreaching their bounds.
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.000]  They have been for several decades.
[01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.000]  And this is drawing the line in the sand.
[01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  It's beautiful.
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.000]  It's brilliant.
[01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:00.000]  Wonderful.
[01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.000]  It's very good news.
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:02.000]  There you go.
[01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.000]  Thank you.
[01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.000]  All right.
[01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.000]  Thank you, Chris, for the update.
[01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:06.000]  Excellent news.
[01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:11.000]  I hope every other state follows suit, especially ours.
[01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.000]  Absolutely.
[01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.000]  Okay.
[01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:15.000]  All right.
[01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.000]  We've got Russell from Texas and Tim from Texas.
[01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:19.000]  We're going to finish up with Travis first.
[01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:22.000]  So, okay, Randy, you were speaking with Travis before the break.
[01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:23.000]  Yes.
[01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:30.000]  And my biggest concern is people who listen to guys in legal reform who have all these
[01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.000]  really interesting ideas.
[01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:40.000]  I've had a number of people call me out to try to help them.
[01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:45.000]  And one in particular stands out from New York where he had done everything right,
[01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.000]  but he was still being held by the feds.
[01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:56.000]  And I got all the literature he used to figure out how to do what he did.
[01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:01.000]  I read it was a stack of literature about four inches high.
[01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.000]  I read through the whole thing.
[01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  There was not one piece of law in there.
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.000]  There was all sorts of legal opinion in there.
[01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.000]  And they were saying, well, because this is this way, that's that, and that's that way.
[01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.000]  Well, this over here has to be this way.
[01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.000]  Well, we can't do it that way.
[01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.000]  He had no law to protect himself with.
[01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:23.000]  He'd done everything right.
[01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:27.000]  But when they challenged him, all he had was a bunch of opinions.
[01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.000]  No law.
[01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:35.000]  And when people start telling you, well, this is this way, I said, wait a minute,
[01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.000]  wait a minute, don't you tell me it's that way.
[01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:39.000]  Show me the law.
[01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  Show me the statute or show me the case law that says it's that way.
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:49.000]  And when you write a legal document, don't tell the judge how something is.
[01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:56.000]  Tell the judge what the statute says or what the higher courts said
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:01.000]  because the judge has a duty to enforce the law as it comes to him,
[01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.000]  not to enforce your opinion about the law.
[01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:10.000]  And the last thing we want him to do is enforce his opinions about the law.
[01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.000]  So we have to give them law.
[01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.000]  We have to base everything we do on law.
[01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:21.000]  Otherwise, we're just floating around out here, everybody coming up with their own ideas.
[01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:28.000]  And I see a lot of this in legal reform land where guys come up with these ideas
[01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.000]  and post them as law and fact.
[01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:36.000]  And people go out and follow those ideas as if they were law and fact,
[01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.000]  and they wind up in trouble.
[01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:43.000]  And then the guy says, well, you missed this little dot right here.
[01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.000]  You should have put a dot right there and crossed this T over here.
[01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:48.000]  You'd have been fined.
[01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.000]  No, the dot that they missed was citing statute.
[01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.000]  Yes, that's the big dot.
[01:09:54.000 --> 01:10:04.000]  Primarily, always consider what is the outcome you're attempting to achieve.
[01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:10.000]  And if what you're about to do won't lead you directly toward that outcome
[01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:14.000]  or even indirectly toward that outcome, don't do it.
[01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:19.000]  No matter how slick a maneuver you may think it is, bad idea.
[01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.000]  Don't do it.
[01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.000]  Always keep your ultimate outcome foremost in mind.
[01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:28.000]  It'll keep you out of trouble.
[01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.000]  Okay.
[01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.000]  Thanks, Trent.
[01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:35.000]  You'll recall me saying that a deputy had kicked me out of the courthouse yesterday
[01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  when I was asking the court clerk to see a file.
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.000]  With me, that always gets a 911 call.
[01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  Yeah, I should have called him.
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:53.000]  Well, I called him this morning and I got a call back from an officer of that jurisdiction
[01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:59.000]  and that officer tried to tell me that they didn't have a jurisdiction
[01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:06.000]  and I had to go talk to the court clerk's boss and that's not true and I contested it.
[01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:11.000]  Okay, this is what I say when they tell me I have to go talk to their boss.
[01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:16.000]  I say, well, I don't have an administrative complaint.
[01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.000]  His uniform was clean, all the buttons were on it.
[01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.000]  He even had his shoes polished.
[01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.000]  I have a criminal complaint, Bubba.
[01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:28.000]  That's what I told him and I told him that, you know,
[01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:32.000]  because it was a criminal complaint that could only file it through law enforcement
[01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.000]  of the jurisdiction and so he had the sergeant call me
[01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:39.000]  and the sergeant told me the same thing to go talk to the court administrator.
[01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:40.000]  The sergeant didn't care.
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:45.000]  I'll tell you what, I've recorded every single one of these interactions, conversations,
[01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.000]  whether in person or on the phone.
[01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:49.000]  Good man.
[01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:52.000]  Okay, shielding from prosecution.
[01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:57.000]  In Texas, I can't vouch for Minnesota, but in Texas,
[01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:04.000]  Article 2.13 places a duty on police officers to keep to peace.
[01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:07.000]  You notify a police officer that a crime has been committed.
[01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:11.000]  Now, he has no duty to protect you.
[01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:13.000]  He has a duty to enforce law.
[01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.000]  You notify him that a law has been violated
[01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:22.000]  and he refuses to take action because it's one of his buddies,
[01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:30.000]  one of his fellow officers that's standing alongside him behind that thin blue line.
[01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.000]  In Texas, that's a violation of 3805 penal code, shielding from prosecution,
[01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:41.000]  and you almost certainly have a similar statute in Minnesota.
[01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:47.000]  So you just file against...the thing I like to do is take the guy at the bottom,
[01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:52.000]  kick him, and when the next guy up tries to protect him, I kick him a little harder.
[01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:56.000]  How many irons can I get in the fire before I'm just going to...
[01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.000]  Forget the first guy when you kick the second one.
[01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.000]  That's what it took me a long time to learn.
[01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:06.000]  You get too many irons otherwise, so you forget about that first guy
[01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.000]  and then you just go for the second guy.
[01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.000]  You never talk about the first guy again.
[01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.000]  These deputies barred me from open court two days in a row.
[01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:18.000]  I went up there today with my informapoparous copy fee waiver
[01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:23.000]  signed by a judge pertaining to two files which I had submitted to the court clerk
[01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:26.000]  about on Tuesday or something,
[01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:35.000]  and the court clerk had given me two files after omitting good portions of them
[01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:40.000]  and telling me I didn't have access to those portions.
[01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:42.000]  And I do have those files certified,
[01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:47.000]  and the court clerk stapled them in the packets and certified them.
[01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.000]  And so I could prove that the court clerk gave me one of the right files,
[01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:55.000]  but generously gave me the wrong files for the other one.
[01:13:55.000 --> 01:14:01.000]  Well, it was actually a file I needed that I had forgot to apply for the fee waiver for.
[01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:04.000]  Not my fault they gave it to me, you know, accidentally.
[01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  You know, they knew how to read, you know, properly.
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:15.000]  Okay, if the clerk failed to give you what you asked for, prepare criminal charges,
[01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:16.000]  file it with the judge.
[01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:20.000]  When you file a criminal complaint with a judge, the judge stops being a judge,
[01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.000]  becomes a magistrate.
[01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:24.000]  Now how do I file it with the judge
[01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.000]  if I don't even have access to the court clerk?
[01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.000]  And the deputy today told me that if I came back to the courthouse,
[01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:32.000]  she would arrest me.
[01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.000]  She yelled at me and she...
[01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.000]  Come back with witnesses.
[01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:40.000]  She struck my witness with her elbow, very lightly albeit, but...
[01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.000]  That's enough.
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.000]  A police officer put his hand on my arm and ordered me to leave an office.
[01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.000]  That's aggravated assault.
[01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:51.000]  Well, I guess she bumped him with the elbow.
[01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:52.000]  I didn't see it.
[01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.000]  She said that he's not interested in pursuing it, but I would be.
[01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.000]  But anyways, he was good enough to come in
[01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.000]  and hold my original documents in his hand
[01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  and my digital voice recorder in his hand
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.000]  and stand next to me as if he wasn't with me.
[01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.000]  And sure enough, the same deputy came over, asked me what I needed.
[01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.000]  And I think she had heard from the police sergeant
[01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  that maybe her and the court clerk should watch out when I come around
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.000]  because she was extremely polite when she came up.
[01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:22.000]  And of course, I was extremely polite and I always wear a student tie
[01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.000]  when I go there.
[01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:29.000]  And she asked me what I needed and I showed her my copy fee waiver
[01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:31.000]  in popperist form.
[01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  Wait a minute, the clerk?
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  Wait a minute, the bailiff?
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:36.000]  Yeah, the bailiff.
[01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.000]  Tell the bailiff, beat it.
[01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.000]  If I need you, I'll summon you.
[01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:41.000]  Yeah, right.
[01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.000]  That's what I'll do next time, too.
[01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.000]  I was thinking about that.
[01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.000]  But, you know, I wanted to engage her in conversation anyways
[01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:51.000]  because I didn't have any proof from her kicking me out yesterday.
[01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:56.000]  So I was able to get her to stipulate to her reasoning
[01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.000]  for having kicked me out yesterday, which she said,
[01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:01.000]  oh, I thought this and I thought that.
[01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:03.000]  And it really doesn't matter what she thought
[01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  as long as she admitted having kicked me out yesterday
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:08.000]  when I was requesting a file.
[01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  And so she at that point said, okay, you can wait in line,
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.000]  which I was already doing.
[01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:19.000]  And then she came back and told me,
[01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:22.000]  and I have it all on record, and she told me,
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:27.000]  here, let me get that paper with the file you need.
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:28.000]  I'll help you.
[01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:30.000]  You stand over here.
[01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.000]  You won't have to stand in line,
[01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.000]  and you won't be coming back after I get this to you.
[01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  Okay, we'll be right back.
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.000]  Yeah, we'll be right back.
[01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.000]  We've got Russell from Texas, Tim from Texas,
[01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.000]  and Julio from Texas as well.
[01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.000]  We'll be taking calls on the other side
[01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:46.000]  after we finish with Travis.
[01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.000]  This is the rule of law on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:16:51.000 --> 01:17:13.000]  Thank you.
[01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:35.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:17:35.000 --> 01:18:04.000]  Thank you.
[01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:32.000]  Thank you.
[01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:49.000]  Thank you.
[01:18:49.000 --> 01:19:16.000]  Thank you.
[01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:20.000]  We're back, the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens,
[01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:25.000]  trodden through creation from Genesis to Revelation.
[01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:26.000]  More Three Shoes Posse for you.
[01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:29.000]  We've got Russell, Tim, and Julio standing in the wings.
[01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.000]  So, Randy.
[01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.000]  Yeah, we got to move along, Travis.
[01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.000]  We could do a whole night on this one.
[01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.000]  I would just file against the bailiff.
[01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.000]  Tell the bailiff, go away.
[01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.000]  If you're a clerk, if you're not the clerk, go away.
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.000]  I need to talk to the clerk.
[01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:46.000]  If she doesn't, just dial 9-1-1.
[01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:49.000]  You said to file against the sergeant for shielding from...
[01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:54.000]  If the bailiff's in your face, call 9-1-1.
[01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.000]  File against the bailiff.
[01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.000]  Okay, well, right now I need to go back and access the court
[01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.000]  so I can file my motions for my...
[01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.000]  Well, if you keep dancing with them, she's just going to get worse.
[01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:08.000]  If you don't do something, stop her.
[01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:12.000]  Well, how can I get a hold of somebody who I can consult with on this
[01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:16.000]  because, you know, if I go in there, I'm going to get arrested?
[01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.000]  9-1-1.
[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.000]  Well, the police, I've already called them.
[01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:22.000]  They won't do anything.
[01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:23.000]  Then call the...
[01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:24.000]  Then go to the district attorney.
[01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:25.000]  Go to the district judge.
[01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:28.000]  Bushwack the district judge in court with a criminal complaint.
[01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.000]  I already called the district attorney today.
[01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.000]  Look, you're saying you can't do anything.
[01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:37.000]  If one guy don't do it, go to the next and go to the next and go...
[01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:40.000]  They're not going to lay down a rollover for you.
[01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.000]  There's only one district judge, is that right?
[01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.000]  If the district...
[01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.000]  No, I don't know how many district judges are in your district.
[01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:49.000]  The whole bunch.
[01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:50.000]  Well, what do I...
[01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.000]  You can go to any one of them.
[01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:57.000]  You have anybody I could get a hold of when I'm not, you know,
[01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:01.000]  able to talk to you on the phone at night when it's day?
[01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.000]  You know, everybody just, you know,
[01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:10.000]  they're incompetent and or just wants to make as much money as possible
[01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.000]  for as little work as they can.
[01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:13.000]  Exactly.
[01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.000]  So you give them a lot of grief.
[01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:20.000]  I don't have any good contacts in Minnesota.
[01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.000]  I wish I did.
[01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.000]  But just stay after them.
[01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.000]  It wears them down.
[01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:28.000]  It wears me down too.
[01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:29.000]  The best...
[01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:33.000]  The one I always want to go get to is the district judge.
[01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.000]  You start hammering on the district judge,
[01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:39.000]  everybody else is going to back off.
[01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:45.000]  Well, what if I, you know, I'm the respondent in criminal cases,
[01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.000]  you know, don't I stand to suffer retaliation?
[01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.000]  No.
[01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:51.000]  I mean...
[01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:53.000]  That's what everybody thinks.
[01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:55.000]  And they all look out, you know, for when I come through
[01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.000]  so they can try extra hard to...
[01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.000]  No, man, I've been doing this for a long time.
[01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:07.000]  They would really like to retaliate against me.
[01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:10.000]  But they give me about two words I don't like.
[01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.000]  I start working them over.
[01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:14.000]  The first guy I want to get to,
[01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:16.000]  everything I do is about getting to that district judge.
[01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.000]  I want to kick him right in his legal teeth.
[01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:24.000]  And once I've kicked him, everybody else is afraid to talk to me.
[01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.000]  Well, I got district judges, you know, that are, you know,
[01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:29.000]  infringing on me, you know, when I go...
[01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:31.000]  Well, file criminal charges against them.
[01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:33.000]  With the district attorney?
[01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.000]  With another district judge.
[01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.000]  And when that judge refuses to take it,
[01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:42.000]  file against him and file a judicial conduct complaint against him.
[01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:47.000]  Well, what about when I tap out every single district judge,
[01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.000]  you know, and there's none left and they're all...
[01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.000]  Shoot yourself.
[01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.000]  I mean, if that's what you think,
[01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.000]  then why are you doing this at all?
[01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  Well...
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.000]  Just never...
[01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.000]  That's what I think.
[01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.000]  I've been doing this 30 years.
[01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.000]  And when that happens, I want to talk to a...
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:09.000]  I don't know...
[01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.000]  Go to a district judge in another district.
[01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.000]  Another district.
[01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.000]  And get the district judge in another district,
[01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.000]  call in this district judge and say,
[01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:20.000]  why the heck am I having problems?
[01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:23.000]  This guy is filing charges against me because of you.
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.000]  And if that doesn't work, then take it to federal court.
[01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000]  I mean, there's always alternatives.
[01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.000]  There's always alternate routes.
[01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  These...
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:34.000]  You're not likely to have to get to federal.
[01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.000]  You're dealing with these jerks down at the bottom.
[01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  I mean, they're either a bailiff at the court
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:44.000]  or out flipping hamburgers at McDonald's.
[01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:48.000]  The district judge is a whole other animal.
[01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  He's a highly trained professional.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.000]  It's taken him a long time to get into where he's at,
[01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:57.000]  and he's a very political creature.
[01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:03.000]  You start kicking him, you're jeopardizing his career.
[01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.000]  He's not going to want that to happen,
[01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:09.000]  and he absolutely knows better than to mess with you.
[01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.000]  Yeah, you're not worth it, Travis.
[01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:12.000]  You're not worth it to him.
[01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:13.000]  You're not worth his whole career.
[01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.000]  Yeah, you're too dangerous.
[01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.000]  He can't handle you.
[01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:18.000]  You are trouble.
[01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:19.000]  He can handle attorneys.
[01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:24.000]  It's not worth trying to put you in your place to lose his career over.
[01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:29.000]  Yeah, you're like messing with a pro se or messing with a citizen,
[01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:33.000]  but the district judge is like playing Russian roulette.
[01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:38.000]  His career can end quickly, and perception is everything.
[01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:39.000]  Yeah.
[01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:41.000]  So you want to get to the district judge first.
[01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:44.000]  That's the guy you want to be chewing out.
[01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.000]  You want to be standing right in the middle of him.
[01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:54.000]  My great-great-great-grandfather was a judge for the very same judicial district.
[01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:55.000]  Interesting.
[01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:04.000]  Funny that I helped set up this big shenanigan here.
[01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:05.000]  Well, this just grew.
[01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:07.000]  You can help fix it.
[01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.000]  And I tell you, when you get to the district judge,
[01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:13.000]  you go in there with your suit, you talk polite to him,
[01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:17.000]  but Stern, you are going to get his attention.
[01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:22.000]  And when you get his attention, I assure you, you've got everybody's attention.
[01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:24.000]  Yeah, because everybody else is going to do what he says.
[01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:25.000]  Or she.
[01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:32.000]  If I go to Johnson County, every bailiff in the building wants to find another place to be.
[01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.000]  They don't want to be anywhere around me,
[01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:38.000]  because three of them were in the courtroom when I told the foreman of the grand jury
[01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  that I had business with them and the judge demanded to know what my business was.
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:47.000]  And I told them I got criminal charges filed against the public officials.
[01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:48.000]  He said, what public officials?
[01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:54.000]  This district attorney sitting here and this assistant district attorney and you, judge.
[01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:56.000]  And the judge had no idea what to do.
[01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:58.000]  And the bailiffs are standing there.
[01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:02.000]  They cannot believe I just did that to the district judge.
[01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:06.000]  And if I'll do that to the district judge, these guys are cannon fodder.
[01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:11.000]  And they're afraid that if they say anything to me,
[01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:17.000]  that I will accuse the district judge of sending him to harass me
[01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:21.000]  because I'm filing charges against the district judge.
[01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:25.000]  And the district judge is not going to be happy if I do that.
[01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:27.000]  He's going to want to talk to this bailiff
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:32.000]  and want to know why he's getting in more trouble because of you, Bubba.
[01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.000]  I tell you, get to the district judge.
[01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:41.000]  Just go in there with a criminal complaint against this bailiff and tell the bailiff.
[01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:46.000]  You go up to the bar and you point at the bailiff and you motion for him to come over,
[01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:50.000]  tell him instruct the judge I have business with the court.
[01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.000]  Should I go to another courthouse in the same district then
[01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:54.000]  so that bailiff doesn't try to arrest me?
[01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:55.000]  That would work.
[01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:56.000]  That would be much better.
[01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.000]  You can go to any magistrate in the state.
[01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.000]  So go to a district judge somewhere else.
[01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.000]  That's a lot better so they don't have any clue who you are.
[01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:05.000]  Thanks, guys.
[01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:06.000]  All right.
[01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:07.000]  Thanks, Travis.
[01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:08.000]  Okay.
[01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:09.000]  Okay.
[01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:10.000]  We're going to move on now.
[01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:11.000]  I'm going to skip this break.
[01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:13.000]  We're going to go to Russell in Texas.
[01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:15.000]  We've also got Tim from Texas in Julio.
[01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.000]  All right, Russell, what's on your mind?
[01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:22.000]  Well, I'm just calling, you know, the listener line was messing up.
[01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:23.000]  I'm sorry?
[01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:24.000]  Russell, speak up.
[01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.000]  The listener line was messing up so I called in back in to listen.
[01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:28.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:29.000]  You just want to listen?
[01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:30.000]  Okay.
[01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.000]  All right.
[01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.000]  We're going to go now to Tim in Texas.
[01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:35.000]  Hey, Tim, thanks for calling in.
[01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:36.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:37.000]  Good evening, guys.
[01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.000]  I just want to tell you, I don't know what you're doing,
[01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.000]  but every show keeps getting better and better.
[01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.000]  I'm on the edge of my seat here.
[01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:44.000]  Thank you.
[01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:46.000]  We'll send you your check in the morning.
[01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.000]  Thanks, Tim.
[01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:49.000]  This is awesome.
[01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:50.000]  All right.
[01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:53.000]  Just for Travis and a comment for Travis from Minnesota,
[01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:58.000]  I just wanted to maybe what he needs to do is go to the Juris Improved website
[01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:01.000]  and get some of those sample complaints and take a look at those and study those
[01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.000]  so you can get better prepared to deal with some of this stuff.
[01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:07.000]  Yeah, and it may be slightly different in Minnesota.
[01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:08.000]  Sure.
[01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:13.000]  Go down and look at some criminal court files
[01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:17.000]  and look at either an indictment or an information.
[01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:21.000]  They will look like a criminal complaint.
[01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.000]  If you take indictment off of an indictment
[01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:27.000]  and put complaint on there, it becomes a criminal complaint.
[01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:30.000]  And that's done accurate by law.
[01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.000]  That information is exactly a criminal complaint.
[01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:37.000]  It's intended that citizens file criminal complaints,
[01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:39.000]  so they cut them a lot more slack.
[01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.000]  So when the prosecutor gets the criminal complaint,
[01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:48.000]  he rewrites it so that it's accurate according to law
[01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:52.000]  and calls it an information that's exactly the same document.
[01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.000]  So if you find information,
[01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:57.000]  that's exactly what a criminal complaint should look like.
[01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  And the idea of a bushwhacking a district judge in another district,
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.000]  oh, that would be a hoot.
[01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.000]  And the first time you do it, you get in front of that district judge,
[01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.000]  you'll find out he is a whole other animal.
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:16.000]  He's not like municipal judges who also tend to be chumps.
[01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:19.000]  And county judges aren't so bad,
[01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.000]  but district judges, they tend to be real careful
[01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:25.000]  because their positions are a lot more precarious.
[01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:29.000]  All these other attorneys want to make that big money they're making
[01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:33.000]  and look important and not get any more tickets.
[01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.000]  Well, I mean, let me jump over to the main reason why I was calling.
[01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:37.000]  I wanted to comment a little bit.
[01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:39.000]  Maybe Tony Davis, if you still want, can jump in on this.
[01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:41.000]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:42.000]  Oh, you want to pass this break?
[01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:43.000]  Yeah, I just said.
[01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:44.000]  I'm going to skip the break, yeah.
[01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:46.000]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.000]  I'll try to recap this as quickly as I can.
[01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.000]  But I've been doing some studying.
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:54.000]  There was a comment earlier about the income tax thing
[01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.000]  and various people getting in trouble fighting that.
[01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.000]  Some of the research that I've been following up that someone else is doing
[01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:05.000]  that I've been studying has to do with how the Administrative Procedures Act
[01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:09.000]  deals with agencies' ability to tell us what we should do.
[01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:14.000]  And in a nutshell, the APA passed in 1946 basically says
[01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:18.000]  that agencies must publish things in the Federal Register, okay?
[01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:22.000]  So if there's something that the agency is talking to us through statutes,
[01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.000]  that doesn't apply.
[01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:28.000]  It's only what's in the Federal Register and published in there.
[01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.000]  Now, when they publish things in the Federal Register,
[01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:36.000]  they then have to say what authority do they have for these regulations or rules
[01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:38.000]  and who does it apply to.
[01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:44.000]  And they use 5 U.S.E. 301 as authority for interpretive regulations
[01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:47.000]  that are for federal employees.
[01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:52.000]  And if a rule or regulation is published in the Federal Register
[01:30:52.000 --> 01:31:00.000]  and it says that 5 U.S.E. 553B does not apply, then according to this research,
[01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:04.000]  it tells us that it does not apply to the general public.
[01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:08.000]  In other words, general applicability and legal effect.
[01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:13.000]  And this is some work that Ralph Wintero on RBN has been working on.
[01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.000]  I've been through all of his archives
[01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.000]  and I've been following this for about the last six months or so.
[01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.000]  And it's starting to make sense.
[01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:22.000]  And everything he's got, he's got documentation to back it up.
[01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:24.000]  It's not just theory.
[01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:27.000]  So I wanted to share that and see if maybe Tony knew anything about this.
[01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:31.000]  But this also has implications for other agencies that are doing things
[01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:35.000]  like the real ID and anything else that's coming down from the Fed.
[01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:40.000]  Ralph Wintero, I think he's still a little annoyed at me.
[01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:47.000]  He was talking about this issue about how everything was in the Federal Register.
[01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:54.000]  And I was asking him, well, that's good, but I was hoping it would be a little more specific.
[01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:57.000]  I mean, the Federal Register is, what, about 35,000 pages?
[01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.000]  Oh, it's in the Federal Register.
[01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:04.000]  And he hung up on me and hadn't talked to me since.
[01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:09.000]  But this is better because you give me something a little more specific to look at.
[01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.000]  This is the kind of thing.
[01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:19.000]  When I was talking earlier about those issues that the courts have been ruling against,
[01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:26.000]  I hope I didn't imply that there aren't some really effective issues we can use,
[01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:31.000]  but not the ones that everybody's been using for the last 70 years that haven't been working.
[01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:41.000]  It's more innovative things like this and decoding the master file.
[01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:44.000]  You get someone who really knows the master file and decode it,
[01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:49.000]  they can show you all the fraud that the agent perpetrated.
[01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:52.000]  And generally, from the people I've talked to,
[01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:58.000]  what I tend to suggest is stop treating the IRS like the enemy.
[01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:02.000]  Treat the agent like the enemy.
[01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:04.000]  The IRS is your friend.
[01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:09.000]  It's that no good rotten few rogue agents you got out there.
[01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:13.000]  Committing this fraud and go after the agent,
[01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:21.000]  you'll have less weight coming back against you than taking on this issue that I'm not a taxpayer,
[01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.000]  that the IRS law doesn't apply to me.
[01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:31.000]  Instead of that, you take on the issue of who assigned you this tax category.
[01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:37.000]  I look at one, and he's listed as a mechanic in Guam.
[01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.000]  Who put that on there?
[01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:42.000]  That's fraud on its face.
[01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.000]  That's the kind of things that's better to take on.
[01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.000]  And here, I suspect Ralph is going to run into this same problem
[01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:54.000]  because he's trying to undermine the entire system.
[01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.000]  And it won't matter if he's right.
[01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:57.000]  Right.
[01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:58.000]  They're not going to care.
[01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.000]  I mean, what I'm working on right now is going through the archives
[01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:05.000]  and writing down all the sites for where it is in the Federal Register,
[01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:09.000]  what page is it on, getting copies of all the documents.
[01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:14.000]  And so what I want to do is put all this stuff together so we can actually point to specific documents.
[01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:18.000]  And if I do that and send it to you, did you or someone take a look at that?
[01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:19.000]  Yes.
[01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:21.000]  I would love to see that.
[01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.000]  That's what I was asking Ralph for.
[01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:24.000]  Okay.
[01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.000]  I'll put that together and send it to you as soon as I get it ready.
[01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:28.000]  I'm hoping to have it done by the end of the weekend.
[01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:30.000]  Oh, wonderful.
[01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:36.000]  Because that's what I wanted to, I wanted to be able to read the actual law.
[01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:41.000]  You know, we have people say, well, Title 26 is the only prima facie evidence of the law.
[01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:44.000]  Yeah, it is because it's a code.
[01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:48.000]  It's not the law that was passed, the law that was passed in the Federal Register.
[01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:50.000]  That's where you find the real ones.
[01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:57.000]  And I want to see that the law that's in the code is the same as the law that's in the book.
[01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:05.000]  Because in Texas, I keep reading these statutes and I quote a statute to someone and then I go read it and it's different.
[01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:06.000]  Right.
[01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:12.000]  Well, what he's basically saying is that if there's a code section
[01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.000]  or something that's published in the Federal Register like the Notice of Levy,
[01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:21.000]  it's filed under 301.6331.
[01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:30.000]  And he's got proof that the regulations that were published for the Part 301 regulations are only for federal employees.
[01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:37.000]  Now, when you go to the Part 1 regulations, which are for individual income tax, there is no 1.6331.
[01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:42.000]  So therefore, his argument is that if it's not published in the Federal Register under that section
[01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:47.000]  where it has authority for us, then they can't touch us with it.
[01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:49.000]  I hope he can get that through.
[01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:53.000]  You know, that's a lot more sophisticated approach than these guys have been taking
[01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:58.000]  who have been trying to say that the income tax doesn't apply to us.
[01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:03.000]  This is showing chapter and verse out of the real law.
[01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:11.000]  And if anything will get it done, I think that will, but what I suspect will happen is they're going to say,
[01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.000]  if I render this ruling, I bankrupt the United States.
[01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:18.000]  We can't collect any more money.
[01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:21.000]  So we're not going to do that.
[01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:28.000]  Well, what he's talking about so far is I think he's been assisting with some mandamuses that are being written.
[01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:34.000]  And from what he was reporting already, that every one of these admitted they've defaulted on them
[01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:38.000]  beyond 30 days, and they don't want to touch it is what it appears to be anyway.
[01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.000]  Yeah, that's generally what they'll do.
[01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:44.000]  Or give them a way out.
[01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:49.000]  Never back a bulldog in the corner unless you give them a way to get out, he's going to bite you.
[01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:53.000]  Yeah, I guess maybe that's the trick is to give them a way out.
[01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.000]  Yeah, that's what, you know, Tony Davis filed the Title 18 challenge.
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:02.000]  And I looked at it and I said, wow, that's great, but I hope you got something else in there,
[01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:07.000]  giving them another way to throw this out.
[01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:10.000]  Well, how about just a regular motion to dismiss based on that?
[01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:11.000]  I mean, that would give them a way out.
[01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:15.000]  Well, see, the problem is you need to give them something else to dismiss on.
[01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:16.000]  Okay.
[01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:25.000]  Because if they dismiss on that, they begin to establish precedent that undermines the entire taxation foundation.
[01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.000]  And they're not going to do that.
[01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:28.000]  Okay.
[01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:34.000]  Well, if I put this stuff together, maybe we can start to search for some way to give them a way out of it or something.
[01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:35.000]  Yeah.
[01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:39.000]  When it comes to me, the thing I want to do is set up the judge.
[01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:41.000]  Well, it's easy to find a way out.
[01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:48.000]  You decode the master file, and like your tax designation, it's always going to be some BS.
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.000]  Just make it up.
[01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:55.000]  You're a mechanic from Guam.
[01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:59.000]  The guy's never been to Guam in his life, never been out of the country, but he's a mechanic from Guam.
[01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  Every one of these, if you check your own tax code, you'll find something you never heard of that puts you within the federal jurisdiction.
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:13.000]  So you're always going to be something in a federal jurisdiction.
[01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:18.000]  Another one was some kind of commodities trader.
[01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:21.000]  And he never traded commodities in his life.
[01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:32.000]  They make this stuff up so you can find other things like that so they can say, oh, oh, look, oh, we got this little procedural error.
[01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:36.000]  Oh, we blew it without undermining the entire system.
[01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:43.000]  And they don't really care about that, but you've got the big elephant in the corner over here they want to deal with, so give them something else to deal with.
[01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:49.000]  And Tony's been doing that and has been having excellent results.
[01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:52.000]  Well, the last thing that I'll wrap this up real quick so we can get to the next caller.
[01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:57.000]  But one of the things that he did recently was he ran through the Federal Register and did a word search.
[01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:06.000]  And he put in keywords to search and it returned 674 documents filed in the Federal Register that hit all this criteria.
[01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:13.000]  And he did a search for Department of Treasury, Internal Revenue Service, various other word searches.
[01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:21.000]  And each one he went through, and he went through the summary section, and each one of them said that 553B did not apply.
[01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:25.000]  That was a search from some 1981 to present.
[01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:26.000]  Interesting.
[01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:27.000]  Yeah.
[01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:30.000]  So I'll get this formulated in the document and send that to you.
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:31.000]  Thank you.
[01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:33.000]  I would really like to see that.
[01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:36.000]  Okay. And I'm sorry I didn't get to see you guys in Austin.
[01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:38.000]  I tried to get out there, but I just couldn't make it out.
[01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  Okay.
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:40.000]  That's all right, Tim.
[01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:41.000]  All right.
[01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:42.000]  Thanks, guys.
[01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:43.000]  Okay. Thanks.
[01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:44.000]  All right.
[01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.000]  We're going to go now to Julio in Texas.
[01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:47.000]  Thanks for calling in, Julio.
[01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:49.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:56.000]  Well, I'd like to discuss how the court gets jurisdiction over you.
[01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:57.000]  That's the beginning.
[01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:04.000]  You're talking about impersonal jurisdiction.
[01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:09.000]  I know, but what are the rules of jurisdiction?
[01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:14.000]  What has to happen in front of a judge?
[01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:19.000]  I think it's called magistration, to be aware of the term.
[01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:22.000]  That's a made-up term.
[01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:27.000]  The way the judge, on that kind of a hearing,
[01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:32.000]  the way the judge gets impersonal jurisdiction is with a...
[01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:36.000]  This one document gives in subject matter and impersonal.
[01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:41.000]  It's a criminal affidavit by some credible person
[01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:46.000]  accusing you of committing a violation of a penal code of the state of Texas.
[01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:48.000]  Okay.
[01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:56.000]  Wisconsin says that traffic issues are not criminal or trivial,
[01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:00.000]  but I would put a big word block on anything they can do,
[01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:01.000]  because they're not...
[01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:02.000]  What?
[01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:07.000]  The Supreme Court said they're not criminal, so underwater we pursue...
[01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:11.000]  Well, a federal traffic ticket may not be criminal,
[01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:15.000]  but a traffic ticket in Texas is.
[01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:18.000]  Well, the thing is, while you pursue Wisconsin,
[01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:23.000]  what's up on the drunk cabins in the state?
[01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:24.000]  In the state.
[01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:25.000]  It doesn't matter.
[01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:31.000]  Because the local police is defending somebody that was drunk.
[01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:32.000]  Okay.
[01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:37.000]  The local police can enforce traffic laws on the interstate
[01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:45.000]  because the states did not cede that property to the federal government.
[01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:46.000]  I understand.
[01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:47.000]  That is not the question here.
[01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:49.000]  It's a question of jurisdiction.
[01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:53.000]  And I'm with you at the court, 1517B,
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:58.000]  after an accused charged with a misdemeanor, punishable by fine only,
[01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:03.000]  is taken before a magistrate on the suppression of this article,
[01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:08.000]  and the magistrate has to identify the accused with certainty.
[01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.000]  The magistrate then releases the accused without bond
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:16.000]  and orders the accused to appear at a later date for arraignment
[01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:21.000]  in the county court or statutory county court.
[01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:25.000]  Where the hell does municipal court get involved?
[01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:32.000]  The court does not mention municipal court or JP court anywhere.
[01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.000]  Wait, 1617B?
[01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.000]  There is no 1617B.
[01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:38.000]  No, no, 1517.
[01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  Oh, 1517.
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:42.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.000]  That's arrest with a warrant.
[01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:48.000]  No, no, no, no.
[01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:51.000]  Chapter 15 goes to arrest with warrant.
[01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:55.000]  Because duties of the arresting officer and magistrate,
[01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:57.000]  in this case, I will clean out,
[01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:00.000]  the person making the arrest of a person,
[01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.000]  having custody of a person at risk,
[01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:05.000]  is told without unnecessary delay.
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:06.000]  Yeah, okay.
[01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:11.000]  1517, that's the same as 1406.
[01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:13.000]  1406 is an incident without a warrant.
[01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:15.000]  1517 is with a warrant.
[01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:18.000]  In either case, if a person is arrested,
[01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.000]  they're to be taken directly to the nearest magistrate.
[01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:25.000]  Or if it's on a warrant, the magistrate that issued the warrant.
[01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:27.000]  Okay, understood that.
[01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:28.000]  Okay.
[01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:33.000]  But at that time, the state has no jurisdiction until they reach you,
[01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:35.000]  you write, and they tell you.
[01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:38.000]  And according to the other case,
[01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:43.000]  the judge must give you on your hands the document going to court.
[01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:49.000]  No, no, the court gets jurisdiction when the complaint is filed.
[01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:51.000]  That's what gives them jurisdiction.
[01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:55.000]  Well, then they won't have any problem to show me on the findings and facts
[01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:58.000]  for the law that gives them jurisdiction.
[01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:01.000]  Wait, I didn't understand that.
[01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:07.000]  Well, anytime the court does something that is not in the code,
[01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:10.000]  you've got the right to do a findings and facts motion
[01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:13.000]  to find out what code are we using.
[01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:15.000]  Yeah.
[01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:16.000]  Yeah.
[01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:21.000]  Then this deal about reading your rights has no meaning.
[01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:27.000]  The only thing reading your rights has to do with it doesn't give them
[01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.000]  or cost them subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:35.000]  It just goes to any information they collect from you.
[01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:38.000]  If they haven't read you your rights, they can't use it in court.
[01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:40.000]  That's all that goes to.
[01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.000]  Okay.
[01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:46.000]  And how about the right to an attorney?
[01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:50.000]  If they don't give you the right to an attorney and not here during the
[01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:53.000]  procedure, the attorney's present...
[01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:54.000]  That goes...
[01:44:54.000 --> 01:45:00.000]  Well, okay, here's the problem with right to an attorney at a examining trial.
[01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.000]  Well, there was only one.
[01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:07.000]  If you ask for an attorney, they can put off the examining trial
[01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:09.000]  until they get you an attorney.
[01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:10.000]  Okay.
[01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:12.000]  That can take a while.
[01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:16.000]  It can take a while but no more than seven days if you demand it.
[01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:20.000]  Yeah, but you can sit in jail for seven days waiting for that attorney.
[01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:23.000]  Yeah, but in seven days you and I know you're not going to be ready
[01:45:23.000 --> 01:45:26.000]  because there's going to be little fish out there that are more important
[01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:28.000]  for you to try.
[01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:30.000]  Well, all they're going to do with the...
[01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:32.000]  This is just for an examining trial.
[01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:33.000]  Okay.
[01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:38.000]  So, you know, they get to hold you and until they appoint an attorney,
[01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:43.000]  unless the counsel... I'm looking at Chapter 16.
[01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:46.000]  I think it's 1601 where you have a right to an attorney,
[01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:50.000]  but if you ask for an attorney, then they can postpone the examining trial
[01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:52.000]  until they get an attorney.
[01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:55.000]  And if they do that, there's no bail set.
[01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:58.000]  Well, I'm looking at the duties of the arresting officer and the magistrate,
[01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.000]  and I have 15, 17 and follow me.
[01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:04.000]  And when it says duties of the arresting officer and the magistrate,
[01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:06.000]  these are the duties that they must do.
[01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:07.000]  Yeah.
[01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:08.000]  Okay.
[01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:22.000]  It says on B, 57B, it says the order must be set in writing
[01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:26.000]  the time, date and place of the arraignment.
[01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:28.000]  In other words, they must...
[01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:38.000]  If you're... No, we've got the statute says that a municipal judge
[01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:41.000]  or a justice of the peace can't do an arraignment.
[01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:44.000]  Well, the only thing they have to do is what is called by stretch.
[01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:48.000]  The only thing they have to do, they change what you put that court.
[01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:50.000]  Yeah, this is Randy Kelso.
[01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:51.000]  Okay.
[01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.000]  Mr. Kelso, you've got the right to remain silent.
[01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.000]  You've got the right to an attorney.
[01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:58.000]  You've got the right to this procedure at any time.
[01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.000]  And by the way, Mr. Kelso,
[01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.000]  here's your order to file for a statute for the court.
[01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:06.000]  That's what the statute says, and I'm looking at it right now.
[01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:11.000]  You should receive a copy of the order on release if the accused fails to appear.
[01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:13.000]  I will go on there.
[01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:16.000]  Yeah, and Julio, can you speak into your handset a little bit more
[01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:19.000]  because we're having trouble understanding what you're saying.
[01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.000]  Okay.
[01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.000]  Where are we at right now?
[01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:26.000]  Let me read paragraph B.
[01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.000]  The current accused charged with a misdemeanor punishable by fine only
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:34.000]  is taken before a magistrate under subsection A of this article.
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:39.000]  And the magistrate has identified the accused with certainty.
[01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:42.000]  The magistrate may release the accused without bond
[01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:46.000]  or order the accused to appear at a later date for arraignment
[01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:51.000]  in the county court or statutory county court.
[01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:55.000]  The order must state in writing the time, date, and place of the arraignment,
[01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:57.000]  and the magistrate must sign the order.
[01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:59.000]  The accused shall receive a copy of the order.
[01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:03.000]  It does say county court because there's another place in here that says
[01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:10.000]  that a justice of the peace or municipal judge cannot hold an arraignment.
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:16.000]  Well, then the process is void because they have never sent anybody,
[01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:18.000]  and I've been there to many of these things,
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:24.000]  they have never sent even anybody with an order.
[01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:29.000]  The last time I was in Florida, they gave me a piece of paper with no date.
[01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:32.000]  Yeah, they never follow law.
[01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:36.000]  A piece of paper with no date, then just when are you supposed to go?
[01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:40.000]  Exactly.
[01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:41.000]  That's crazy.
[01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:46.000]  Didn't you just get arrested for not showing up on that date they didn't give you?
[01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:50.000]  They gave me five words for not showing up on that date.
[01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:51.000]  Oh, boy.
[01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:54.000]  On the date they never gave you.
[01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:55.000]  Exactly.
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:01.000]  So we need to file five criminal charges against the judge who issued the warrants and sue him.
[01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:06.000]  Are you familiar with the plan of finding some facts and conclusions of the law?
[01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:07.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:10.000]  He don't have subject matter jurisdiction, period,
[01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:14.000]  because he's violated the law relating to his office.
[01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:18.000]  You need to file criminal charges against him, motion to disqualify.
[01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:25.000]  Yeah, I understand that, but then you're going to rule 34.5 of the six of rules about applicable procedures.
[01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:33.000]  You know, 42 to 30, I think it's entitled to see the complaint and the law that...
[01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:37.000]  You're talking about 1526.
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:41.000]  I'm talking about rule 34.5,
[01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:45.000]  34.5 of the six of rules about the procedure.
[01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:49.000]  You know, if the man finds some facts and conclusions of the law,
[01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:54.000]  in other words, Mr. Massacred, what law are you using?
[01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:56.000]  Because the law is pretty clear on the case.
[01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:03.000]  You must give me this paper, and the first paper that you gave me is blank.
[01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:13.000]  How can you give me some words when I don't have to appear?
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:18.000]  Unless you don't, I can't give you a quote,
[01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:24.000]  or send it on some school so that you know they have been illegal.
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:28.000]  Okay, in this case, did a magistrate actually give you that document,
[01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.000]  or did a clerk give it to you?
[01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:32.000]  No, magistrate.
[01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:33.000]  That's what you do.
[01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:35.000]  You just let him know.
[01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:36.000]  Well, when you...
[01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:40.000]  Okay, was this at arrest, or were you arrested?
[01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:45.000]  I was arrested and picked up, and when I went in front of the magistrate,
[01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:49.000]  the magistrate didn't do anything.
[01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:51.000]  So you got a lot of charges filed against the magistrate.
[01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:58.000]  I got about at least one felony, six Class A misdemeanors.
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:03.000]  We can actually charge him with two felonies to police for improperly arresting
[01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:05.000]  because he obviously didn't take you directly to the magistrate.
[01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:07.000]  He took you to jail first, right?
[01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:08.000]  Right.
[01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:12.000]  Two felonies, six Class A misdemeanors, right off the bat.
[01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.000]  All right, Randy, and we've only got about seven minutes left,
[01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:16.000]  and we've got Meta on the line, too.
[01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:17.000]  Oh, yeah.
[01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:19.000]  She's usually calling on a satellite phone.
[01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:20.000]  Okay.
[01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:22.000]  We're going to blow you off, Julio.
[01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:24.000]  This is fun.
[01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:25.000]  This is fun.
[01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:27.000]  You need to come by and talk to me.
[01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:28.000]  I will.
[01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:29.000]  Okay.
[01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:30.000]  Talk to you later.
[01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:31.000]  Later.
[01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:32.000]  All right, thanks.
[01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:34.000]  Okay, we're going now to Meta.
[01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:36.000]  Hey, Meta, sorry to make you wait.
[01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:38.000]  That's okay.
[01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:40.000]  I'm not on the satellite phone.
[01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:45.000]  I'm in a parking lot or a parking red stop on my way to San Antonio.
[01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:50.000]  Randy, I think you've stirred up a hornet's nest,
[01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:54.000]  but tonight we have absolutely zero internet.
[01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:57.000]  The satellite phone works sporadically,
[01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:01.000]  and we got a phone call from the manager of the apartment
[01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:05.000]  that I maintain in San Antonio saying that the front door is wide open.
[01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:09.000]  This is a front door that when they put weatherstripping on it back in December,
[01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:11.000]  I have not been able to physically open.
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:14.000]  My dad two weeks ago tried opening it for me and couldn't,
[01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:16.000]  and neither could my son.
[01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:18.000]  But this is a door that's wide open,
[01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:22.000]  and we got a hold of the police through some friends,
[01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:28.000]  and they've gone into the apartment, and they're saying they can't see anything missing.
[01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:32.000]  There's no disarray, which something may be missing.
[01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:41.000]  But now my husband is alone in West Texas, no internet, and sporadic phone service.
[01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:43.000]  What is your take on this?
[01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:45.000]  I don't like that very much.
[01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:49.000]  That part may be just a technical thing.
[01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:54.000]  What I find is when they get a third party looking at them,
[01:52:54.000 --> 01:53:00.000]  the last thing they want is to give that third party more reason to look at them.
[01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:04.000]  I really crawled down their throats the other day,
[01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:09.000]  and since I've talked to you and Pat,
[01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:17.000]  I'm concerned because from what you tell me and information I've got elsewhere,
[01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:21.000]  these guys may be dealing drugs out there.
[01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  One of the women I know in town says that one-half the people in town
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:31.000]  believe that the sheriff is on the take with the cartel.
[01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:37.000]  I told her, oh, no, no, but I'm beginning to think maybe there is something to these rumors.
[01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:43.000]  I don't know if you read the rumor that I got yesterday or the day before on the judge.
[01:53:43.000 --> 01:53:49.000]  No, I don't remember seeing an email from you.
[01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:50.000]  It was a reply.
[01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:52.000]  Also, I answered—
[01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  Oh, that long letter, yes.
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:59.000]  I answered Brooks' letter and let him know that basically he lied.
[01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:02.000]  Yeah, I'm going to talk to Brooks,
[01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:07.000]  and then I want to go to these guys' supervisor.
[01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:11.000]  Who I really want to beat up is their supervisor.
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:16.000]  I'll talk to him and get him to lie to me, and then I'll go to D.C. about it.
[01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:20.000]  When we get D.C., looking back down at these guys,
[01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:26.000]  and I may call the U.S. attorney there in your area,
[01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:29.000]  because this thing of these guys going out there with no backpack
[01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:32.000]  and coming back with a backpack.
[01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:37.000]  Well, the thing is, the first U.S.—if you look at the letter that I sent,
[01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:43.000]  I sent in Del Rio the magistrate, the U.S. federal magistrate,
[01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:47.000]  and the U.S. attorney,
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:51.000]  the assistant U.S. attorney who I originally wrote that letter to.
[01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:55.000]  But remember what we're doing is we're proving that the Border Patrol
[01:54:55.000 --> 01:55:01.000]  has no jurisdiction based on law.
[01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:09.000]  Did you get the statute I sent you with the Lexus annotations?
[01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:11.000]  You're talking about Title 8?
[01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:12.000]  Yes.
[01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:17.000]  Okay, but Title 8 does not apply unless the state,
[01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:22.000]  the many states must give up jurisdiction for Title 8.
[01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:25.000]  And my letter to Moyer showed where,
[01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:30.000]  unless they can prove that the state released jurisdiction,
[01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:33.000]  it's like Mac versus Brady.
[01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:37.000]  It showed where the Congress had over exceeded its authority
[01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:41.000]  by trying to make them do something by legislating to the state.
[01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:43.000]  They can have anything they want,
[01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:47.000]  but that doesn't make it legal or doesn't give jurisdiction.
[01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:48.000]  Yes.
[01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:55.000]  The reality of what we have to deal with here is we claim that the statute
[01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:58.000]  violates the Constitution because it's overbroad
[01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:01.000]  and interferes with the sovereignty of the state.
[01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:02.000]  It's an issue.
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:07.000]  Until you get it overruled by the federal court, they can still act as—
[01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:13.000]  They've been adjudicated by the Supreme Court and appellate courts, though.
[01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  Wait, wait.
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.000]  Did you say it hasn't been or has?
[01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:17.000]  Has.
[01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:20.000]  They have to prove jurisdiction,
[01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:25.000]  and it's already shown that there's only two ways that must be proven
[01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:26.000]  in order to have jurisdiction.
[01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:29.000]  One, it has to be seceded by the state legislative,
[01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:32.000]  and two, they have to show ownership of the property.
[01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:34.000]  Okay.
[01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:38.000]  Oh, no, wait, no, no, this is different.
[01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:44.000]  This is—are you saying that the Title VIII,
[01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  that it authorizes them to enter property to look for illegal aliens?
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:56.000]  They have to show jurisdiction, and in order to have jurisdiction,
[01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:59.000]  it's like Fort Sam Houston.
[01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:03.000]  The federal government does not have jurisdiction on Fort Sam Houston
[01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.000]  because the state, one, never ceded it,
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:09.000]  and two, the land is owned by the city, not the federal government.
[01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:11.000]  No, no, the state doesn't have—
[01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:18.000]  I mean, the federal government doesn't have exclusive jurisdiction.
[01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:19.000]  I disagree.
[01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:20.000]  Did you reason that—
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:22.000]  We need to make sure that's right.
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:30.000]  You see, if the state hasn't ceded the property to the federal government,
[01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:35.000]  then the state has jurisdiction on the property as well as the federal government,
[01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:38.000]  but the federal government isn't excluded from jurisdiction
[01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:41.000]  because it hasn't been ceded.
[01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:44.000]  We just want to make sure we make the right argument.
[01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:46.000]  Well, why is that, Randy?
[01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:49.000]  If the state never ceded it, then how do they have jurisdiction?
[01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:50.000]  Well, it's their courthouse.
[01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:51.000]  They don't.
[01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:54.000]  If it's the federal courthouse, then it's their courthouse.
[01:57:54.000 --> 01:58:02.000]  Actually, the federal government can enforce federal law anywhere in the country.
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  All right, well, listen, we're at the end of the show.
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.000]  We need to talk about this some more on Monday.
[01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:08.000]  Send me an email on this.
[01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:13.000]  I'd like to examine this, so make sure we're on strong legal ground.
[01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:28.000]  If you want to live, treat me good. If you want to live, live, I'll make you treat me good.
[01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:34.000]  I'm like a walking razor. Don't you watch my sides. I'm dangerous.
[01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:43.000]  He said I'm dangerous. I'm like a walking razor. Don't you watch my sides. I'm dangerous. Dangerous.
[01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:58.000]  If you are a bully, treat me good. If you are a bully, a bully, I'll make you treat me good.
[01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:06.000]  I'm like a stepping razor. Don't you watch my sides. I'm dangerous. Dangerous.
[01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:13.000]  I'm like a stepping razor. Don't you watch my sides. I'm dangerous. Dangerous.
[01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:28.000]  If you are a chucky, somebody chucky bum me. If you are a chucky, chucky, somebody chucky bum me.
[01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:36.000]  I'm like a stepping razor. Don't you watch my sides. I'm dangerous. I'm dangerous.
[01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:43.000]  I'm like a chopping razor. Don't you watch my sides. I'm dangerous. Dangerous.
[01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:58.000]  If you eat a ball, treat me good. If you drink less soup, you better treat me good.
[01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:06.000]  I'm like a stepping razor.