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[00:00.000 --> 00:04.400] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.400 --> 00:11.480] Lebanese Ali Al-Jarrah, cousin of alleged 9-11 hijacker Ziad Al-Jarrah, has been exposed
[00:11.480 --> 00:13.280] as an Israeli spy.
[00:13.280 --> 00:17.880] The New York Times reports Al-Jarrah sent back reports and photographs of Palestinian
[00:17.880 --> 00:21.880] groups and Hezbollah for 25 years.
[00:21.880 --> 00:26.920] Wealthy depositors were turned away Thursday from fraudulent financier Alan Stanford's
[00:26.920 --> 00:32.040] banks in Antigua, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and Panama.
[00:32.040 --> 00:37.560] Eastern Caribbean Central Bank fears a bank run would put the economies of many Caribbean
[00:37.560 --> 00:40.040] islands in jeopardy.
[00:40.040 --> 00:45.720] Egypt expressed indignation Thursday over Israel's decision to link a Cairo brokered
[00:45.720 --> 00:51.840] truce in Gaza with Hamas to the release of a seized soldier captured by Gaza militants
[00:51.840 --> 00:58.920] in 2006.
[00:58.920 --> 01:04.040] Journalist Wayne Madsen has learned the kid glove treatment given to swindler Bernie Madoff
[01:04.040 --> 01:09.800] is because his Ponzi scheme was part of a much larger operation involving top officials
[01:09.800 --> 01:14.960] of the Bush and Obama administrations and the Russian Israeli mafia.
[01:14.960 --> 01:21.560] Madsen says a key player in the Ponzi scheme was Madoff's now-defunct Energy LLC and three
[01:21.560 --> 01:26.640] other energy holdings with links to Texas oil and natural gas interests including the
[01:26.640 --> 01:29.520] Bush family and Dick Cheney.
[01:29.520 --> 01:37.960] In 2002, a joint FBI-Europol operation resulted in the arrest of 20 Russian Israelis on charges
[01:37.960 --> 01:43.200] of money laundering involving the Bank of New York, the Russian bank Manatep and the
[01:43.200 --> 01:45.120] European Union Bank.
[01:45.120 --> 01:50.460] The money laundering network also included BenEx, a firm connected to Clinton pardoned
[01:50.460 --> 01:55.000] Mossad agent Mark Rich, a resident of Switzerland.
[01:55.000 --> 02:01.120] Madsen says much of the $50 billion scammed by Madoff is now in Israeli banks and other
[02:01.120 --> 02:06.600] laundering financial contrivances.
[02:06.600 --> 02:12.200] NASA scientist James Hansen, the first scientist to warn Congress of the dangers of climate
[02:12.200 --> 02:17.520] change, has written the leaders of the Western world saying coal is the single greatest threat
[02:17.520 --> 02:19.400] to life on the planet.
[02:19.400 --> 02:24.760] The pre-industrial age carbon dioxide level was 280 parts per million.
[02:24.760 --> 02:31.460] Humans by burning coal, oil and gas have increased this to 385 parts per million and it continues
[02:31.460 --> 02:35.200] to grow by two parts per million per year.
[02:35.200 --> 02:40.600] Hansen says there is potential for explosive changes resulting in the extermination of the
[02:40.600 --> 02:45.440] species if we do not rapidly slow fossil fuel emissions.
[02:45.440 --> 02:50.480] Hansen says if we cut off coal, the largest source of carbon dioxide, we could reduce
[02:50.480 --> 02:54.120] levels to 350 parts per million.
[02:54.120 --> 03:18.560] Hansen says quote clearly if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know.
[03:18.560 --> 03:33.280] We were born before the wind, also younger than the sun, and the bonnie boat was one
[03:33.280 --> 03:41.320] as we sail into the mystic.
[03:41.320 --> 03:55.200] Our hearts will now hear the singers cry, smell the sea and feel the sky, let your soul
[03:55.200 --> 04:05.320] and spirit fly into the mystic.
[04:05.320 --> 04:20.560] When that foghorn blows, I will be coming home, and when the foghorn blows, I want to
[04:20.560 --> 04:23.560] hear it.
[04:23.560 --> 04:35.440] I don't have to fear and I want to rock your gypsy soul, just like way back in the days
[04:35.440 --> 04:55.960] of old, and magnificently we will fall into the mystic.
[04:55.960 --> 05:25.720] When that foghorn blows, you know I will be coming home, and when the foghorn blows,
[05:25.720 --> 05:41.360] I got to hear it, I don't have to fear it, and I want to rock your gypsy soul, just like
[05:41.360 --> 05:51.440] way back in the days of old, and together we will fall into the mystic.
[05:51.440 --> 06:21.360] Come on, girl, we're late to stop now, we're late to stop now, we're late to stop now,
[06:21.360 --> 06:26.560] we're late to stop now.
[06:26.560 --> 06:28.680] Into the mystic.
[06:28.680 --> 06:30.920] This is the rule of law.
[06:30.920 --> 06:33.360] We've got Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[06:33.360 --> 06:36.440] I'm Deborah Stevens with the Three Shoes Posse Band.
[06:36.440 --> 06:44.120] Of course, giving the bad guys three shoes, two on their feet and one you-know-where and
[06:44.120 --> 06:51.920] And of course, the Jeff Davis show, Sunday nights, Channel 10, Cable Access 10, longest
[06:51.920 --> 06:58.320] running cable access channel, libertarian news and views, with outrageous comedy, of course.
[06:58.320 --> 07:01.120] And tonight we've got a very special guest.
[07:01.120 --> 07:06.340] We've got Dr. Catherine Albrecht, who is joining us tonight to discuss the situation in San
[07:06.340 --> 07:08.120] Marcos here.
[07:08.120 --> 07:09.120] We're in Austin.
[07:09.120 --> 07:12.960] San Marcos is about 30 minutes south of us, about 30 miles south.
[07:12.960 --> 07:19.320] And apparently the city council has passed an ordinance, mandatory shipping of pets,
[07:19.320 --> 07:20.320] it would seem.
[07:20.320 --> 07:25.560] And so Dr. Catherine Albrecht, of course, author of the novel Spy Chips, and she has
[07:25.560 --> 07:28.000] her own show on GCN as well.
[07:28.000 --> 07:32.920] And she's going to be coming to Austin, she's going to be coming to San Marcos, to testify
[07:32.920 --> 07:36.840] to the city council down there about the evils of RFID shipping.
[07:36.840 --> 07:39.280] Dr. Albrecht, thank you for joining us.
[07:39.280 --> 07:41.860] Hey Deborah, it's great to be on your show.
[07:41.860 --> 07:44.080] Great to have you.
[07:44.080 --> 07:46.920] It's so good to have you back from the evil rival.
[07:46.920 --> 07:48.280] Oh, would you stop it?
[07:48.280 --> 07:51.120] He's always with the evil rival radio network.
[07:51.120 --> 07:54.920] Hey Randy, big hug out to you too.
[07:54.920 --> 07:57.240] Nice to talk to you both.
[07:57.240 --> 07:58.840] So I'm coming to Austin.
[07:58.840 --> 07:59.840] I can't wait.
[07:59.840 --> 08:00.840] It's exciting.
[08:00.840 --> 08:04.920] I'm going to be hopping on a plane on Sunday, I get in Sunday afternoon.
[08:04.920 --> 08:07.840] Monday they've got me running around doing a whole bunch of Austin media.
[08:07.840 --> 08:12.760] I think I'm going to be meeting with some TV stations and doing some radio there.
[08:12.760 --> 08:16.840] On Monday night, this is March 2nd, so the first Monday in March, I'm going to be heading
[08:16.840 --> 08:19.960] to Brave New Books at 7 p.m.
[08:19.960 --> 08:24.600] And Deborah, a lot of people have been writing to me saying, I can't wait to meet you and
[08:24.600 --> 08:25.600] Deborah.
[08:25.600 --> 08:29.160] So I really hope to show up because there are people counting on meeting the two Liberty
[08:29.160 --> 08:30.800] chicks here from radio.
[08:30.800 --> 08:31.800] Absolutely.
[08:31.800 --> 08:33.640] I can't wait to meet you in person.
[08:33.640 --> 08:35.960] This is going to be fantastic.
[08:35.960 --> 08:39.880] We had a listener, Katherine, we had a listener a while back that was calling in saying something
[08:39.880 --> 08:44.600] about before long, Katherine and Deborah are going to be running the world.
[08:44.600 --> 08:47.600] I was like, you got it.
[08:47.600 --> 08:48.600] Yeah.
[08:48.600 --> 08:49.600] High five.
[08:49.600 --> 08:51.320] I'm ready to bring it on.
[08:51.320 --> 08:52.840] So that's going to be exciting.
[08:52.840 --> 08:55.720] I know a lot of people are expecting us there at Brave New Books.
[08:55.720 --> 09:00.560] I just set up Harlan today with my publisher to get a whole bunch of copies of Spy Chips.
[09:00.560 --> 09:02.440] He's ordered a couple of cases.
[09:02.440 --> 09:07.920] I'm going to be signing books there that night and talking about RFID, updating people on
[09:07.920 --> 09:12.920] what's going on with Real ID and border crossing cards and microchip implants and all the stuff
[09:12.920 --> 09:16.160] that I've been working on for the last couple of years.
[09:16.160 --> 09:17.720] And that should be a real blast.
[09:17.720 --> 09:20.720] We're expecting a whole lot of people there and everybody listening.
[09:20.720 --> 09:21.720] Brave New Books.
[09:21.720 --> 09:23.480] Do you know the address offhand, Deborah?
[09:23.480 --> 09:24.480] Ah, boy.
[09:24.480 --> 09:27.040] It's right across the street from the University of Austin.
[09:27.040 --> 09:32.200] Yeah, it's 19, I'll look it up real quick, it's 1905 Guadalupe, I believe.
[09:32.200 --> 09:40.040] Yeah, it's right north of MLK, Martin Luther King Street, on Guadalupe.
[09:40.040 --> 09:43.200] It's underneath the Chase Bank building, right there at the intersection.
[09:43.200 --> 09:48.160] It's on the southwest corner of Guadalupe, I'm sorry, the northwest corner of Guadalupe
[09:48.160 --> 09:49.720] at Martin Luther King.
[09:49.720 --> 09:50.720] Great.
[09:50.720 --> 09:53.040] So people should be able to figure out how to get there.
[09:53.040 --> 09:57.800] That's going to be at 7 p.m. till whenever, you know, we'll make a party out of it.
[09:57.800 --> 10:01.840] We'll just hang out and hang with the people and the listeners and all the folks who want
[10:01.840 --> 10:03.040] to show up.
[10:03.040 --> 10:07.360] And then on Tuesday, it's kind of up in the air right now, I may be giving a talk in the
[10:07.360 --> 10:14.400] morning to the University of Texas, Texas State, and then heading over with Judith McGarry
[10:14.400 --> 10:18.200] from NAIS, talk about, you know, another freedom chick who's really making a big difference
[10:18.200 --> 10:19.200] out there.
[10:19.200 --> 10:23.280] She's working on that animal chipping for farms, and I'm, of course, working on animal
[10:23.280 --> 10:27.020] chipping for, you know, your household pets.
[10:27.020 --> 10:30.800] She and I were planning on heading over to the State House on that lobby day that they
[10:30.800 --> 10:34.960] got going on on Tuesday morning and lobbying against NAIS.
[10:34.960 --> 10:39.080] And then that afternoon, we're all going to head down to San Marcos, and the plan is,
[10:39.080 --> 10:44.840] and this is such a great plan, their city council meeting starts at 7 p.m., and it's
[10:44.840 --> 10:47.520] going to be discussing this dog chipping ordinance.
[10:47.520 --> 10:52.840] See, they passed the law back in December, the San Marcos City Council, passed a law
[10:52.840 --> 10:57.320] in December saying that everybody has to microchip not just their dogs, but their cats, their
[10:57.320 --> 11:01.960] ferrets, their guinea pigs, their mice, their rats, you name it, if it's a pet.
[11:01.960 --> 11:07.000] You've got to stick a big old honkin' microchip in it, or you're in violation of the law.
[11:07.000 --> 11:10.440] And a lot of people in San Marcos have said, well, wait a minute, you know, these chips
[11:10.440 --> 11:12.960] have been shown to cause cancer in laboratory animals.
[11:12.960 --> 11:15.280] We know that they cause cancer in mice and rats.
[11:15.280 --> 11:21.380] Anywhere from 1 to 10% of mice and rats injected with these things develop really huge, life-threatening
[11:21.380 --> 11:27.040] metastatic cancers around these microchips, so it's not a good idea to be implanting
[11:27.040 --> 11:29.320] them into anything.
[11:29.320 --> 11:33.400] Not only that, but three weeks ago, we had the tragic case of Charlie Brown, who was
[11:33.400 --> 11:39.080] this beautiful, long-haired, purebred chihuahua who was microchipped in the morning, and
[11:39.080 --> 11:44.080] by 9 p.m. that night had died in his owner's arms because he bled to death from the microchipping
[11:44.080 --> 11:45.080] site.
[11:45.080 --> 11:49.480] So, that's still a mystery as to exactly how that happened, but I suspect he is not the
[11:49.480 --> 11:51.680] only dog to die from a microchip implant.
[11:51.680 --> 11:53.480] He's the only one that we know about.
[11:53.480 --> 11:54.480] Oh, that's just horrible.
[11:54.480 --> 11:55.480] That's just so horrible.
[11:55.480 --> 11:59.800] Well, and he's a beautiful, absolutely beautiful dog, so we're going to turn out, we're going
[11:59.800 --> 12:04.960] to have t-shirts, actually, in memorial for Charlie Brown.
[12:04.960 --> 12:08.520] We're going to turn out at 6 o'clock, and it turns out, as fate would have it, that
[12:08.520 --> 12:13.680] right across the street from the San Marcos City Hall, where we're going to be testifying
[12:13.680 --> 12:18.920] before the city council there, that right across the street there's a dog park.
[12:18.920 --> 12:24.440] So, everybody's going to meet there at 6 p.m. with their dogs and their kids and their spouses
[12:24.440 --> 12:26.400] and their moms and grandmas and everybody.
[12:26.400 --> 12:32.280] We're going to have a huge group out there in San Marcos, a lot of whom are in San Marcos,
[12:32.280 --> 12:37.240] many of whom are going to come down from Austin, come up from San Antonio, and we're going
[12:37.240 --> 12:41.440] to meet in that dog park with our dogs, with our kids, et cetera.
[12:41.440 --> 12:46.800] We're going to hand out candles, and then the sunset, this is like perfect timing, sunset
[12:46.800 --> 12:53.080] is according to the calendar and the almanac, it's going to be at 627, and at 630, they
[12:53.080 --> 12:57.000] open up the courthouse building, or the city hall building, for people to go inside and
[12:57.000 --> 13:00.200] sign their name on the ledger to testify at the meeting at 7.
[13:00.200 --> 13:04.760] So, we're all going to head across the street, as soon as sunset hits at 630, we're going
[13:04.760 --> 13:09.240] to light the candles, San Marcos residents are going to go inside and sign the ledger
[13:09.240 --> 13:14.240] and put themselves on the list to testify, I will be among them, I'm going to be testifying
[13:14.240 --> 13:19.200] with regards to all of the literature that I've reviewed and all the academic studies
[13:19.200 --> 13:23.720] that I've done on these microchips and their dangers, and then the Austin residents are
[13:23.720 --> 13:28.440] going to sort of watch our backs outside as they light the candles and hold a peaceful
[13:28.440 --> 13:36.000] vigil in memorandum for Charlie Brown, and also just sort of as a gesture of solidarity
[13:36.000 --> 13:39.600] with us as we go in there, and try to get this ordinance overturned.
[13:39.600 --> 13:44.320] Now, if we fail, this ordinance is slated to go into effect on April 1st, and it will
[13:44.320 --> 13:48.760] impact the entire city of San Marcos, and of course, every time one of these goes in,
[13:48.760 --> 13:53.920] it just means one more domino falls before it hits your community, wherever you're located.
[13:53.920 --> 13:58.640] So, if we win, on the other hand, it sort of sets the dominoes falling in the opposite
[13:58.640 --> 14:03.160] direction, and it means at that point, we can then go out to additional communities
[14:03.160 --> 14:07.840] and start knocking down their microchipping legislation and ordinances, and one of the
[14:07.840 --> 14:12.840] next ones we want to tackle is Los Angeles County, which is where Charlie Brown died.
[14:12.840 --> 14:16.800] In LA County, they've got this horrible draconian law.
[14:16.800 --> 14:21.960] It says, if you do not microchip your dog, your puppy, excuse me, at the time he turns
[14:21.960 --> 14:25.800] four months old, I mean, a picture of a little four-month-old dog is not even old enough
[14:25.800 --> 14:28.000] to get neutered or spayed.
[14:28.000 --> 14:32.560] Your four-month-old dog has to have a big old microchip coming into his flesh.
[14:32.560 --> 14:38.240] If you do not do it, and they catch you, it's a $250 fine, and then you're going to love
[14:38.240 --> 14:43.760] this if you fail to, quote, remedy the situation within 30 days, meaning if you fail to hold
[14:43.760 --> 14:48.920] your dog down and jab a big old needle into his back and stick a microchip into his flesh,
[14:48.920 --> 14:54.600] then they will not only fine you a thousand bucks, but you can spend up to six months
[14:54.600 --> 14:55.600] in county jail.
[14:55.600 --> 14:56.600] Six months.
[14:56.600 --> 14:57.600] Oh, man.
[14:57.600 --> 14:58.600] I know.
[14:58.600 --> 14:59.600] I'm reading this.
[14:59.600 --> 15:00.600] I'm going, no, wait a minute.
[15:00.600 --> 15:05.680] This is six months in jail for what, mutilating your dog, abusing your dog?
[15:05.680 --> 15:07.920] Or not mutilating it.
[15:07.920 --> 15:08.920] Exactly.
[15:08.920 --> 15:14.200] So, you know, when people start looking at this legislation and really realizing the
[15:14.200 --> 15:20.000] amount of pressure that the government is bringing to bear on innocent pet owners to
[15:20.000 --> 15:25.360] force them to engage in this very controversial practice of microchipping, which is controversial
[15:25.360 --> 15:29.800] because of the medical studies, because of cancer, which we found in at least two dogs.
[15:29.800 --> 15:34.800] And I would say if we found cancer in two dogs that have developed cancer around or
[15:34.800 --> 15:39.320] attached to these microchips, that there were actually somebody took the time to write them
[15:39.320 --> 15:42.880] up in detailed peer-reviewed medical journals.
[15:42.880 --> 15:46.680] There must be thousands or even tens of thousands of additional dogs who've developed these
[15:46.680 --> 15:49.520] cancers that just haven't been written up in the journals.
[15:49.520 --> 15:53.320] So we've got lots of dogs getting cancer from these microchips.
[15:53.320 --> 15:55.740] We've got at least one dog bleeding to death.
[15:55.740 --> 16:00.240] We've got lots of literature out there showing that these microchips migrate.
[16:00.240 --> 16:04.920] Sometimes a microchip implanted into the neck of an animal will later be retrieved from,
[16:04.920 --> 16:08.120] like, its leg, from its abdomen, from its kidney area.
[16:08.120 --> 16:11.480] I mean, these things tunnel because they're little pieces of glass.
[16:11.480 --> 16:15.800] Slick glass inside of a wet environment is just going to tunnel like a little torpedo.
[16:15.800 --> 16:18.760] So they move around inside the body.
[16:18.760 --> 16:23.360] We know in cases of horses and other animals that they've actually gotten into internal
[16:23.360 --> 16:25.640] organs and caused some pretty serious damage.
[16:25.640 --> 16:28.480] So there's that issue, migration.
[16:28.480 --> 16:32.480] We've also got the issue of abscesses and infection that can be caused from these things.
[16:32.480 --> 16:37.320] We know that in cats, one cat was actually paralyzed from a microchip implanted.
[16:37.320 --> 16:38.320] Oh, my gosh.
[16:38.320 --> 16:39.320] Okay, Katherine, listen.
[16:39.320 --> 16:43.440] We're going to break right now, and we're going to pick up on the other side about what
[16:43.440 --> 16:46.280] actually happens to animals that get these chips.
[16:46.280 --> 16:47.280] We'll be right back.
[16:47.280 --> 16:50.560] This is Deborah Stevens, Randy Kilton with Katherine Albrecht, Dr. Katherine Albrecht
[16:50.560 --> 16:51.560] on the rule of law.
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[19:42.160 --> 19:49.840] They're going to tear you, they're going to tear me, they're going to tear up the whole
[19:49.840 --> 19:50.840] country.
[19:50.840 --> 19:54.800] Tyranny, they're going to tear you, they're going to tear up our animals, too, apparently.
[19:54.800 --> 19:58.040] We've got Dr. Catherine Albrecht on the line with us.
[19:58.040 --> 20:01.160] She's a very special guest tonight talking about the RFID chipping.
[20:01.160 --> 20:02.160] Can't wait to meet her.
[20:02.160 --> 20:04.600] Can't wait to meet you, Catherine, when you get in town.
[20:04.600 --> 20:06.600] The Liberty chicks, indeed.
[20:06.600 --> 20:08.840] Okay, so please continue.
[20:08.840 --> 20:13.120] And we have a brand new song also that we just wrote about RFID chipping.
[20:13.120 --> 20:16.680] And I'll be playing that coming out of the next break.
[20:16.680 --> 20:18.880] But yes, please, Dr. Albrecht, please continue.
[20:18.880 --> 20:25.120] You were talking about just the ramifications of what has happened to these animals, dogs
[20:25.120 --> 20:27.880] and cats, that have suffered the chips.
[20:27.880 --> 20:34.680] And when you finish that, I also have a question about what you know about livestock, big animals.
[20:34.680 --> 20:40.160] Because we had a call or call in on Monday night when we had Lisa and Lisa on, Lisa Wilson
[20:40.160 --> 20:43.960] and Lisa Copoletta, to talk about what's going on in San Marcos.
[20:43.960 --> 20:50.600] And we had a call or call in saying that he had put microchips into over a thousand cows
[20:50.600 --> 20:53.160] and never seen anything bad happen over it.
[20:53.160 --> 20:57.080] And so I want you to comment on that as well after you finish talking about the dogs and
[20:57.080 --> 20:58.080] the cats.
[20:58.080 --> 21:02.840] And just for the record, he was uncomfortable about microchips in smaller animals.
[21:02.840 --> 21:03.840] Yeah, he did say that.
[21:03.840 --> 21:07.920] It wasn't that he was against the cause.
[21:07.920 --> 21:11.880] He just commented that his experience with the larger animals, he didn't have a problem.
[21:11.880 --> 21:15.640] Yeah, but he definitely agreed that they shouldn't be forcing people to do it either way.
[21:15.640 --> 21:21.080] Well, I think that's really what the issue comes down to because, you know, the opposition
[21:21.080 --> 21:24.480] to the microchip really spans several different issues.
[21:24.480 --> 21:28.920] And I should point out, just in case I forget to mention it, that we have a frequently asked
[21:28.920 --> 21:35.040] questions or an FAQ document on our website at antichips.com that answers a lot of these
[21:35.040 --> 21:40.320] questions that talks about all the research into the problems associated with RFID, all
[21:40.320 --> 21:44.040] the reasons why they're using it, the read range, all sorts of things on both animal
[21:44.040 --> 21:49.200] and human microchips that might be helpful for people to take a look at.
[21:49.200 --> 21:54.600] But if you break down the reason why people oppose the microchips, you've got health
[21:54.600 --> 21:56.480] concerns, which are valid.
[21:56.480 --> 22:02.040] I believe that when animals actually die or develop fibrous sarcomas or Leo Meyer sarcomas
[22:02.040 --> 22:06.760] or all the other sorts of cancers, that animals have developed in response to the microchip
[22:06.760 --> 22:08.880] that that is a legitimate concern.
[22:08.880 --> 22:09.880] It may be rare.
[22:09.880 --> 22:13.320] It may only happen in 1% of animals as it does in mice and rats.
[22:13.320 --> 22:15.360] It may happen in even fewer than that.
[22:15.360 --> 22:19.120] But if you are running the risk that that may happen in your animal, it's at least something
[22:19.120 --> 22:22.360] that merits discussion and full disclosure.
[22:22.360 --> 22:26.640] And neither of those are happening right now among veterinarians or among the companies
[22:26.640 --> 22:27.640] that market the microchips.
[22:27.640 --> 22:32.920] So those are very legitimate concerns, albeit relatively rare ones.
[22:32.920 --> 22:37.720] You're not going to say every animal receiving a microchip is going to have an adverse reaction.
[22:37.720 --> 22:42.880] But it's a substantial enough number that it ought to be getting more attention than
[22:42.880 --> 22:45.840] it is at present, I'll put it that way.
[22:45.840 --> 22:51.080] In addition to the issues of the cancer or the potential for migration, the potential
[22:51.080 --> 22:55.640] for all of these other health issues that you have with the microchip, you also have
[22:55.640 --> 23:01.960] a sizable contingent of people out there who have very sincerely held religious concerns
[23:01.960 --> 23:03.800] about microchip implants.
[23:03.800 --> 23:09.040] And those stem from the last book of Revelation, or the last book of the Bible called Revelation,
[23:09.040 --> 23:12.760] where there's a discussion about the Mark of the Beast, and people have probably heard
[23:12.760 --> 23:18.240] about this before, but they may not know the exact tie-in to the microchip implants.
[23:18.240 --> 23:21.480] The best way to remember this is in the book of Revelation, just remember the last book
[23:21.480 --> 23:26.160] in your Bible, and the chapter where this is discussed, it's chapter 13, so just remember
[23:26.160 --> 23:32.400] your unlucky number 13, and then turn to the very last couple of passages in 13, so the
[23:32.400 --> 23:34.440] very end of chapter 13.
[23:34.440 --> 23:39.240] And what you'll see in there in verses 16 through 18 is a reference to a time when all
[23:39.240 --> 23:45.200] people, great and small, rich and poor, free and bond or imprisoned or enslaved, will be
[23:45.200 --> 23:49.880] required to have a number or a mark in their right hand or their forehead.
[23:49.880 --> 23:53.680] And if they don't have this number or this mark, they won't be able to buy or sell.
[23:53.680 --> 23:59.200] So that's a concern that's been deeply held by the Christian Church for 2,000 years.
[23:59.200 --> 24:04.000] Some of the greatest minds in all of history have devoted huge amounts of their scholarly
[24:04.000 --> 24:07.320] and intellectual effort trying to understand that.
[24:07.320 --> 24:11.400] We know that Isaac Newton, for example, one of the smartest people ever to live, in my
[24:11.400 --> 24:16.640] opinion, he actually devoted over a million words, probably written by Quill, Penn and
[24:16.640 --> 24:21.680] Candlelight trying to decipher the book of Revelation and understand what was happening
[24:21.680 --> 24:25.200] there, and yet he wasn't able to do it because it wasn't time yet.
[24:25.200 --> 24:29.000] So when you look at that, you say, well, gee, how would you use a mark or a number to buy
[24:29.000 --> 24:35.080] and sell that could be somehow marked into the flesh, you know, 2,000 years ago, 1,000
[24:35.080 --> 24:39.120] years ago, even 20 years ago, you kind of scratch your head and say, gee, I don't know.
[24:39.120 --> 24:42.160] Today, you can ask any 10-year-old, how do you use a number to buy and sell?
[24:42.160 --> 24:44.880] And they'll say, well, duh, you use a credit card.
[24:44.880 --> 24:49.400] And you can ask any person who's up to date on today's technology and say, well, how do
[24:49.400 --> 24:52.680] you embed a credit card into a hand or a forehead?
[24:52.680 --> 24:56.800] And they won't hesitate before saying to you, well, with a microchip implant.
[24:56.800 --> 25:01.280] We know that these microchips can transmit unique ID numbers and that those unique ID
[25:01.280 --> 25:04.940] numbers can be linked in a database with any kind of financial instrument, with a bank
[25:04.940 --> 25:09.360] account or a checking account, and you can actually use them to buy and sell.
[25:09.360 --> 25:14.480] So we are actually, from a Christian or a religious perspective, we are the first generation
[25:14.480 --> 25:20.220] ever to live on this planet that actually has the technological ability to implement
[25:20.220 --> 25:23.640] this mark of the beast, a number required to buy and sell.
[25:23.640 --> 25:28.120] And then when you couple that with political and economic developments that really do appear
[25:28.120 --> 25:33.480] to be moving closer and closer to a global system of governance where we are seeing more
[25:33.480 --> 25:37.640] consolidation, like the European Union, where you've got all of these individual countries
[25:37.640 --> 25:43.400] with their individual sovereignty deciding to sort of link up and become one mega-country,
[25:43.400 --> 25:44.680] in essence.
[25:44.680 --> 25:48.080] You look at the North American Union, which a lot of people are fighting here and, of
[25:48.080 --> 25:49.360] course, across Texas.
[25:49.360 --> 25:54.000] But if that comes to pass, then you're going to have Canada, the United States, and Mexico
[25:54.000 --> 25:56.680] as a single political and economic unit.
[25:56.680 --> 26:02.140] And ultimately, we may be looking at a one-world government, a one-world currency.
[26:02.140 --> 26:08.080] And when we get to that point, it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to say, well,
[26:08.080 --> 26:11.040] we're probably on the brink of losing cash.
[26:11.040 --> 26:14.840] Many transactions, if not most transactions now, are done via numbers anyway.
[26:14.840 --> 26:16.840] They're done electronically.
[26:16.840 --> 26:19.800] Cash is trading hands, but usually in smaller quantities.
[26:19.800 --> 26:23.120] We're not buying our homes in cash or our cars in cash.
[26:23.120 --> 26:27.720] And so, you know, for all of this to come to pass, there are a lot of people who are
[26:27.720 --> 26:28.720] concerned.
[26:28.720 --> 26:29.720] Now, how does this tie in with animals?
[26:29.720 --> 26:34.600] Well, it ties in with animals, and especially with the NACE program and this animal chipping,
[26:34.600 --> 26:40.840] dog chipping program, because there's a real concern that if your ultimate goal is to chip,
[26:40.840 --> 26:46.920] to microchip human beings, to cause them to be numbered in this way, then your obvious
[26:46.920 --> 26:51.480] first step would be to chip all of the animals, because, of course, as they say in that old
[26:51.480 --> 26:58.800] Nazi, you know, the anti-Nazi thing that they used to say, first they came for the gypsies,
[26:58.800 --> 27:02.440] but I wasn't a gypsy, so I didn't say anything, and then they came for the trade unionists,
[27:02.440 --> 27:06.240] but I wasn't a trade unionist, so I didn't say anything, and then they came for the Jews,
[27:06.240 --> 27:10.360] and then finally when they came for me, I looked around, but there was nobody left to
[27:10.360 --> 27:11.960] say anything for me.
[27:11.960 --> 27:16.360] And so I think there's a real concern that if we allow the camel's nose into the tent,
[27:16.360 --> 27:21.720] as it were, in the microchipping of dogs and farm animals and every other thing that lives
[27:21.720 --> 27:26.240] and breathes, that the rest of the camel is going to make its way into the tent, and before
[27:26.240 --> 27:29.020] long we're going to see the microchipping of humans.
[27:29.020 --> 27:33.880] And so that's a real fear, a religious-based fear, and then even if you don't share the
[27:33.880 --> 27:39.200] religious views that, you know, give rise to these issues, which, you know, I'm a born-again
[27:39.200 --> 27:43.340] Bible-believing Christian, so that certainly motivates a lot of my efforts, but you don't
[27:43.340 --> 27:47.720] have to even believe in that to say, well, wait a minute, this is not a good precedent
[27:47.720 --> 27:53.200] for liberty, because down the road, regardless of your religious beliefs, you can be an atheist,
[27:53.200 --> 27:58.920] a Wiccan, a pagan, a Buddhist, I don't care what you are, if you care about freedom, if
[27:58.920 --> 28:03.560] you care about our own individual sovereignty, if you care about rule of the people by the
[28:03.560 --> 28:10.280] people and for the people, then having people microchip implanted trackable barcode scannable
[28:10.280 --> 28:15.920] numbered inventory units in some government database somewhere cannot possibly be a good
[28:15.920 --> 28:17.920] move in the direction of liberty.
[28:17.920 --> 28:24.680] So we've got philosophical, moral, humanist, religious, practical, medical, I mean, a list
[28:24.680 --> 28:27.440] goes on and on of why you would oppose this.
[28:27.440 --> 28:32.620] And I think for that reason, we've got a pretty wide coalition, a diverse number of opinions
[28:32.620 --> 28:37.240] and viewpoints on this issue, all getting together to fight for a common cause down
[28:37.240 --> 28:42.040] in San Marcos on March 3rd, which is to say we don't want it, and we're going to stand
[28:42.040 --> 28:45.480] out there and hold candles, we're going to stand out there in numbers and make our presence
[28:45.480 --> 28:49.960] known and I believe we're going to get a lot of national coverage on this event.
[28:49.960 --> 28:54.860] And from that, I believe that we are going to have an impact across this country in setting
[28:54.860 --> 28:59.080] back this whole microchipping agenda.
[28:59.080 --> 29:01.680] Incredible and I certainly will be there.
[29:01.680 --> 29:02.680] Absolutely.
[29:02.680 --> 29:05.440] Yeah, yeah, you better believe it.
[29:05.440 --> 29:09.600] It's a Tuesday night and our show isn't on Tuesday nights, but if it was, I would broadcast
[29:09.600 --> 29:12.200] live on location.
[29:12.200 --> 29:18.240] Maybe I could go down there with the broadcast equipment and we could interrupt on Tom Kiley's
[29:18.240 --> 29:23.120] show alive to report on what's going on down there.
[29:23.120 --> 29:26.320] Because I tell you what, I'm against it.
[29:26.320 --> 29:31.960] I have a cat and actually she was on the show on Monday, held her up to the mic and she
[29:31.960 --> 29:32.960] was meowing.
[29:32.960 --> 29:37.280] Basically, I was like, Soma, now would you put up with being shipped by a microchip implant?
[29:37.280 --> 29:38.280] And she's like, meow, no.
[29:38.280 --> 29:43.440] Don't do it to me, mommy.
[29:43.440 --> 29:44.440] Absolutely not.
[29:44.440 --> 29:47.240] All right, listen, we're going to break again and we do have a caller on the line.
[29:47.240 --> 29:48.960] We'll take the call.
[29:48.960 --> 29:50.160] Next segment, we'll be right back.
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[30:55.400 --> 31:05.080] Yeah, and who you want to chip, who you take me from, free to leave?
[31:05.080 --> 31:20.080] Who you want to chip, I'm not free to leave, you can't chip me, you know what I'm saying?
[31:20.080 --> 31:39.200] I'm not free to leave, you can't chip me, you know what I'm saying?
[31:39.200 --> 31:45.200] Social security, them go tell me Number with them give me, them rip it up you see
[31:45.200 --> 31:49.200] I'm chippy when the morning, chippy when the evening, chippy all the dinner time
[31:49.200 --> 31:54.200] Experiment on mankind, but man you know say them lie
[31:54.200 --> 31:56.200] Well, we don't want no chip, man you have your body
[31:56.200 --> 32:01.200] Freedom or something, man you fight for it You should tell them, them feel ready
[32:01.200 --> 32:06.200] Constitution set us free, don't let them put no chip in your body
[32:06.200 --> 32:09.200] Put no chip in your dog or cat you see
[32:09.200 --> 32:11.200] No put no chip in your cow and go eat it
[32:11.200 --> 32:13.200] No put no chip in the fish and go eat it
[32:13.200 --> 32:16.200] All in the wheel and the shark in the sea
[32:16.200 --> 32:18.200] Put the little chip in the little baby
[32:18.200 --> 32:20.200] Want to put the chip in a grandpa you see
[32:20.200 --> 32:23.200] Want to put the little chip in a imam badly
[32:23.200 --> 32:25.200] If me go hide in the Atlantic sea
[32:25.200 --> 32:28.200] Man get half the light, me say go and find me
[32:28.200 --> 32:30.200] Satellite get mad, satellite get angry
[32:30.200 --> 32:32.200] Two chip them use, me say crash up you see
[32:32.200 --> 32:37.200] Me say chip in the morning, chip in the evening, chip in your body
[32:37.200 --> 32:39.200] Man make them come come chip with
[32:39.200 --> 32:42.200] Put no chip in the little baby
[32:42.200 --> 32:44.200] Me say chip in the morning, chip in the evening
[32:44.200 --> 32:46.200] They want to come and chip me
[32:46.200 --> 32:49.200] But they want to chip all in the sea
[32:49.200 --> 32:51.200] And the shark and the wheel around me
[32:51.200 --> 32:54.200] When me say chip for you mam, chip for you daddy
[32:54.200 --> 32:56.200] Chip for the damn little little baby
[32:56.200 --> 32:59.200] Chip for the shark in the sea
[32:59.200 --> 33:01.200] Chip for the real animal around me
[33:01.200 --> 33:03.200] Chip for the dog and the cat them you see
[33:03.200 --> 33:06.200] Even want to chip man the chicken around me
[33:06.200 --> 33:08.200] Chip in the cow beef you go eat eat
[33:08.200 --> 33:11.200] Them the kind of thing getting me angry
[33:11.200 --> 33:13.200] Mankind man it's unnecessary
[33:13.200 --> 33:15.200] Give me source of security to nobody see
[33:15.200 --> 33:18.200] But they still want to come come chip with
[33:18.200 --> 33:20.200] Give me my blood man they get me angry
[33:20.200 --> 33:23.200] Free to lay man a chip that big
[33:23.200 --> 33:25.200] But them the chip man you put in your belly
[33:25.200 --> 33:27.200] Chip them your mankind and make you a fool
[33:27.200 --> 33:30.200] Them a put it in the head and father with the knee
[33:30.200 --> 33:32.200] Any way you go me say it the country
[33:32.200 --> 33:35.200] Stop tell it the use find the chip in the weed
[33:35.200 --> 33:37.200] Man them man man they gone crazy
[33:37.200 --> 33:39.200] What happen to freedom
[33:39.200 --> 33:41.200] What happen to freedom and liberty
[33:41.200 --> 33:43.200] They want to put a chip in our body
[33:43.200 --> 33:45.200] In the little baby and the dog and cat
[33:45.200 --> 33:47.200] And even the fish in the sea
[33:47.200 --> 33:49.200] But we're not going to eat it
[33:49.200 --> 33:50.200] If they do that
[33:50.200 --> 33:53.200] Oh man, Pat, Patterson Martin my singer
[33:53.200 --> 33:55.200] We wrote that song together
[33:55.200 --> 33:58.200] Me and my husband Jerry Stevens and Patterson Martin
[33:58.200 --> 34:00.200] We are the Three Shoes Posse
[34:00.200 --> 34:02.200] That means we give the bad guys
[34:02.200 --> 34:04.200] Three shoes, two on their feet
[34:04.200 --> 34:06.200] And one you know where
[34:06.200 --> 34:07.200] In the derriere
[34:07.200 --> 34:08.200] Right Katherine?
[34:08.200 --> 34:09.200] You know it's right
[34:09.200 --> 34:11.200] I love the Three Shoes Posse
[34:11.200 --> 34:12.200] Because that means you can walk in there
[34:12.200 --> 34:14.200] And then when you throw one of the shoes at them
[34:14.200 --> 34:15.200] When they're up on the stage
[34:15.200 --> 34:17.200] You still have two to walk out the door
[34:17.200 --> 34:18.200] That's right
[34:18.200 --> 34:21.200] Exactly, exactly
[34:21.200 --> 34:24.200] So we're going to hold off on taking the calls
[34:24.200 --> 34:26.200] For a while because Katherine's going to be with us
[34:26.200 --> 34:28.200] For the next two segments
[34:28.200 --> 34:29.200] Katherine, please continue on
[34:29.200 --> 34:31.200] With what you were saying earlier
[34:31.200 --> 34:33.200] And also about the ramifications of
[34:33.200 --> 34:35.200] What are happening to these little animals
[34:35.200 --> 34:37.200] And what's happened to livestock
[34:37.200 --> 34:39.200] And just you know that sort of thing
[34:39.200 --> 34:42.200] Well I think people need to kind of see
[34:42.200 --> 34:46.200] The evolution or the progression of this technology
[34:46.200 --> 34:48.200] And maybe kind of following along with me
[34:48.200 --> 34:50.200] A little walk down memory lane here for me
[34:50.200 --> 34:53.200] Might help other people get up to speed
[34:53.200 --> 34:57.200] Back in 1999 there was no such thing as RFID
[34:57.200 --> 34:59.200] There was no, you know
[34:59.200 --> 35:00.200] And the industry likes to say
[35:00.200 --> 35:02.200] We go all the way back to World War II
[35:02.200 --> 35:05.200] But the reality is that they really don't
[35:05.200 --> 35:09.200] This technology was really initially developed
[35:09.200 --> 35:12.200] By Procter & Gamble in 1999
[35:12.200 --> 35:16.200] There was a brand manager by the name of Kevin Ashton
[35:16.200 --> 35:19.200] Sort of my nemesis for many years
[35:19.200 --> 35:23.200] And Kevin Ashton was managing the sale of lipstick
[35:23.200 --> 35:25.200] For Procter & Gamble
[35:25.200 --> 35:27.200] Now Procter & Gamble just to put them in perspective
[35:27.200 --> 35:30.200] They are now the biggest consumer product manufacturer
[35:30.200 --> 35:31.200] On the globe
[35:31.200 --> 35:33.200] So you want to talk about a mega enormous
[35:33.200 --> 35:37.200] Like almost inconceivably huge corporation
[35:37.200 --> 35:39.200] It's Procter & Gamble
[35:39.200 --> 35:41.200] So sort of like what Walmart is for retail
[35:41.200 --> 35:43.200] Procter & Gamble is for product sales
[35:43.200 --> 35:47.200] They make everything from cascade laundry detergent
[35:47.200 --> 35:50.200] Or cascade dishwashing detergent to tide laundry detergent
[35:50.200 --> 35:52.200] They make cover girl makeup
[35:52.200 --> 35:53.200] They make crest toothpaste
[35:53.200 --> 35:55.200] They make Duracell batteries
[35:55.200 --> 35:56.200] They make, I mean you name it
[35:56.200 --> 35:58.200] The list goes on and on and on and on
[35:58.200 --> 36:01.200] And there's probably not a household in the United States
[36:01.200 --> 36:03.200] That's not actively boycotting Procter & Gamble
[36:03.200 --> 36:05.200] That doesn't have at least
[36:05.200 --> 36:07.200] You know half a dozen of their products
[36:07.200 --> 36:09.200] Within the walls of your home
[36:09.200 --> 36:13.200] So Procter & Gamble this enormous mega corporation
[36:13.200 --> 36:15.200] Has a real problem today
[36:15.200 --> 36:18.200] Because they're shipping all of their products
[36:18.200 --> 36:19.200] All over the globe
[36:19.200 --> 36:22.200] They're no longer a local, you know, US run company
[36:22.200 --> 36:24.200] And they're shipping stuff in from China
[36:24.200 --> 36:26.200] And they're distributing it to Kansas
[36:26.200 --> 36:28.200] And distributing it to Florida and all over the US
[36:28.200 --> 36:31.200] And one of the problems that they run into
[36:31.200 --> 36:33.200] Is keeping track of all that inventory
[36:33.200 --> 36:35.200] So they hit on this idea
[36:35.200 --> 36:38.200] Well what if we could put a radio tag
[36:38.200 --> 36:41.200] Onto literally every lipstick
[36:41.200 --> 36:43.200] Literally every box of cascade
[36:43.200 --> 36:46.200] Literally everything of Pond's cold cream
[36:46.200 --> 36:49.200] What if we could put a microchip on everything
[36:49.200 --> 36:51.200] And then have reader devices
[36:51.200 --> 36:53.200] That could actually pick up the signals
[36:53.200 --> 36:55.200] Emanating from these tiny radios
[36:55.200 --> 36:57.200] That we would put on all of our products
[36:57.200 --> 36:59.200] Well how would we do that?
[36:59.200 --> 37:01.200] How about replacing the barcode
[37:01.200 --> 37:04.200] With remotely readable microchips
[37:04.200 --> 37:06.200] That would actually be like little mini cell phones almost
[37:06.200 --> 37:09.200] Attached onto these products
[37:09.200 --> 37:10.200] So this Kevin Ashton guy
[37:10.200 --> 37:13.200] This brand manager for lipstick
[37:13.200 --> 37:14.200] Says to the senior management
[37:14.200 --> 37:15.200] I got this idea
[37:15.200 --> 37:17.200] Let's put a radio tag on everything
[37:17.200 --> 37:18.200] And I'm sure they probably
[37:18.200 --> 37:19.200] Laughed him out of the office
[37:19.200 --> 37:20.200] But he was persistent
[37:20.200 --> 37:22.200] And he finally got them to agree
[37:22.200 --> 37:24.200] To hook him up and send him
[37:24.200 --> 37:25.200] He was in England
[37:25.200 --> 37:26.200] To send him to the US
[37:26.200 --> 37:29.200] To work with researchers at MIT
[37:29.200 --> 37:31.200] The Massachusetts Institute of Technology
[37:31.200 --> 37:32.200] So he gets there
[37:32.200 --> 37:34.200] Begins working with their engineers
[37:34.200 --> 37:37.200] And sets up a laboratory at MIT
[37:37.200 --> 37:41.200] Called the Auto ID or Automatic ID Center
[37:41.200 --> 37:43.200] And in this center
[37:43.200 --> 37:45.200] They begin working on a way
[37:45.200 --> 37:47.200] To take big honking radios
[37:47.200 --> 37:49.200] Because radios are big
[37:49.200 --> 37:50.200] And make them small enough
[37:50.200 --> 37:51.200] Efficient enough
[37:51.200 --> 37:52.200] And cheap enough
[37:52.200 --> 37:53.200] That they could realize this dream
[37:53.200 --> 37:55.200] Of tagging not just all of their products
[37:55.200 --> 37:57.200] But eventually this became
[37:57.200 --> 37:58.200] Kind of this sort of
[37:58.200 --> 38:00.200] Megalomaniacal
[38:00.200 --> 38:01.200] You know
[38:01.200 --> 38:03.200] I'm going to take over the world
[38:03.200 --> 38:04.200] Kind of scheme
[38:04.200 --> 38:05.200] And they developed this plan
[38:05.200 --> 38:06.200] That they were not only
[38:06.200 --> 38:07.200] Going to tag their lipsticks
[38:07.200 --> 38:08.200] But they were going to
[38:08.200 --> 38:11.200] Convince every other manufacturer
[38:11.200 --> 38:12.200] Every retailer
[38:12.200 --> 38:13.200] Every producer
[38:13.200 --> 38:14.200] Every physical
[38:14.200 --> 38:16.200] To tag every physical object
[38:16.200 --> 38:17.200] On planet earth
[38:17.200 --> 38:18.200] With one of these things
[38:18.200 --> 38:19.200] And in fact
[38:19.200 --> 38:20.200] In one of their early
[38:20.200 --> 38:21.200] Promotional documents
[38:21.200 --> 38:22.200] They say
[38:22.200 --> 38:23.200] Every single item
[38:23.200 --> 38:25.200] From jumbo jets to sewing needles
[38:25.200 --> 38:26.200] Will have one of these tags
[38:26.200 --> 38:27.200] Embedded in it
[38:27.200 --> 38:29.200] So that every physical object
[38:29.200 --> 38:31.200] On earth will become trackable
[38:31.200 --> 38:32.200] And identifiable
[38:32.200 --> 38:33.200] Through what they call
[38:33.200 --> 38:35.200] The internet of things
[38:35.200 --> 38:36.200] And the idea there is
[38:36.200 --> 38:37.200] Just like you know
[38:37.200 --> 38:38.200] All the MySpace
[38:38.200 --> 38:39.200] And the Facebook users
[38:39.200 --> 38:41.200] You got your page up there
[38:41.200 --> 38:43.200] On Facebook or MySpace
[38:43.200 --> 38:44.200] Well their idea is that
[38:44.200 --> 38:45.200] Every sewing needle
[38:45.200 --> 38:46.200] Would have its own page
[38:46.200 --> 38:49.200] Every box of Kleenex
[38:49.200 --> 38:50.200] Would have its own page
[38:50.200 --> 38:52.200] Every physical object
[38:52.200 --> 38:53.200] Would have its own internet page
[38:53.200 --> 38:55.200] Which would record all the details
[38:55.200 --> 38:56.200] About it
[38:56.200 --> 38:57.200] Where it was manufactured
[38:57.200 --> 38:58.200] Where it was sold
[38:58.200 --> 38:59.200] Where it was shipped
[38:59.200 --> 39:00.200] What train it went on
[39:00.200 --> 39:01.200] What truck it went on
[39:01.200 --> 39:02.200] Who bought it
[39:02.200 --> 39:03.200] What home it wound up in
[39:03.200 --> 39:05.200] What recycling center
[39:05.200 --> 39:07.200] It was later thrown away in
[39:07.200 --> 39:08.200] So the entire life cycle
[39:08.200 --> 39:11.200] Of every single physical object
[39:11.200 --> 39:13.200] The trillions and quadrillions
[39:13.200 --> 39:14.200] Of items that are bought
[39:14.200 --> 39:15.200] And sold every year
[39:15.200 --> 39:17.200] On this planet
[39:17.200 --> 39:18.200] Would all be tracked
[39:18.200 --> 39:20.200] Now this is an extraordinarily
[39:20.200 --> 39:21.200] Ambitious project
[39:21.200 --> 39:22.200] As I'm sure your listeners
[39:22.200 --> 39:23.200] Are now realizing
[39:23.200 --> 39:24.200] When I explain this
[39:24.200 --> 39:26.200] And it's kind of mind blowing
[39:26.200 --> 39:27.200] It took a long time
[39:27.200 --> 39:29.200] For Kevin Ashton there at MIT
[39:29.200 --> 39:31.200] To begin to convince
[39:31.200 --> 39:32.200] Other businesses
[39:32.200 --> 39:34.200] Not to just laugh or scoff
[39:34.200 --> 39:35.200] It didn't hurt
[39:35.200 --> 39:36.200] That they had the backing
[39:36.200 --> 39:37.200] Of the Department of Defense
[39:37.200 --> 39:39.200] Who was an early investor
[39:39.200 --> 39:41.200] And an early partner
[39:41.200 --> 39:43.200] With them at the Auto ID Center
[39:43.200 --> 39:44.200] It didn't hurt that they
[39:44.200 --> 39:46.200] Brought in the US Postal Service
[39:46.200 --> 39:47.200] They brought in Walmart
[39:47.200 --> 39:48.200] They began bringing in
[39:48.200 --> 39:50.200] Big heavy hitters
[39:50.200 --> 39:51.200] And before you knew it
[39:51.200 --> 39:53.200] They had over 100 corporations
[39:53.200 --> 39:55.200] On board investing upwards
[39:55.200 --> 39:57.200] Of half a million dollars a piece
[39:57.200 --> 39:58.200] To be part of the research
[39:58.200 --> 40:00.200] So that's about the time
[40:00.200 --> 40:01.200] That I stumbled upon
[40:01.200 --> 40:03.200] Their project in 2002
[40:03.200 --> 40:05.200] And I discovered this
[40:05.200 --> 40:06.200] Because I was writing
[40:06.200 --> 40:08.200] An article on a separate topic
[40:08.200 --> 40:09.200] And I ran across a quote
[40:09.200 --> 40:11.200] By a guy named John Sturmer
[40:11.200 --> 40:12.200] Who's a vice president
[40:12.200 --> 40:13.200] For AC Mills
[40:13.200 --> 40:15.200] In the market research company
[40:15.200 --> 40:16.200] And in this quote
[40:16.200 --> 40:17.200] He said, well, you know
[40:17.200 --> 40:18.200] First we had barcodes
[40:18.200 --> 40:19.200] In the 1970s
[40:19.200 --> 40:20.200] And they were really useful
[40:20.200 --> 40:21.200] Because they told us
[40:21.200 --> 40:22.200] What was being sold
[40:22.200 --> 40:24.200] But we needed more
[40:24.200 --> 40:25.200] So then we had
[40:25.200 --> 40:27.200] The frequent shopper card
[40:27.200 --> 40:28.200] Which told us who was
[40:28.200 --> 40:29.200] Buying the things being sold
[40:29.200 --> 40:30.200] Because of course
[40:30.200 --> 40:31.200] Every time you scan
[40:31.200 --> 40:32.200] Your Safeway card
[40:32.200 --> 40:34.200] Or your Albertsons Club card
[40:34.200 --> 40:35.200] Or whatever
[40:35.200 --> 40:37.200] You are putting all of
[40:37.200 --> 40:38.200] The itemized list
[40:38.200 --> 40:39.200] Of the things you buy
[40:39.200 --> 40:40.200] Into a database
[40:40.200 --> 40:41.200] Associated with your name
[40:41.200 --> 40:42.200] So they know everything
[40:42.200 --> 40:43.200] You've ever bought
[40:43.200 --> 40:44.200] Every time you've ever shopped
[40:44.200 --> 40:45.200] They're recording it all
[40:45.200 --> 40:46.200] Slicing and dicing it
[40:46.200 --> 40:47.200] And he said, you know
[40:47.200 --> 40:48.200] That was great
[40:48.200 --> 40:49.200] So we knew who was
[40:49.200 --> 40:50.200] Buying the products
[40:50.200 --> 40:51.200] But we still have a blind spot
[40:51.200 --> 40:52.200] We want to know
[40:52.200 --> 40:53.200] Where, when, and how
[40:53.200 --> 40:55.200] They use the stuff they buy
[40:55.200 --> 40:56.200] And as I'm reading this quote
[40:56.200 --> 40:57.200] You know, and then he says
[40:57.200 --> 40:58.200] And we've got this new
[40:58.200 --> 40:59.200] Technology on the horizon
[40:59.200 --> 41:00.200] It's called Auto ID
[41:00.200 --> 41:02.200] Which now is called RFID
[41:02.200 --> 41:03.200] At that time
[41:03.200 --> 41:04.200] It was called
[41:04.200 --> 41:05.200] Automatic identification
[41:05.200 --> 41:07.200] And this new technology
[41:07.200 --> 41:08.200] Is going to make it possible
[41:08.200 --> 41:09.200] For us to literally know
[41:09.200 --> 41:11.200] When people take the lid off
[41:11.200 --> 41:12.200] The toothpaste
[41:12.200 --> 41:13.200] In their own bathrooms
[41:13.200 --> 41:14.200] Or when they pull up
[41:14.200 --> 41:15.200] A can of soup
[41:15.200 --> 41:16.200] Off the shelf
[41:16.200 --> 41:17.200] In their own homes
[41:17.200 --> 41:18.200] I mean this is
[41:18.200 --> 41:19.200] This is the level
[41:19.200 --> 41:22.200] This is absolutely diabolical
[41:22.200 --> 41:23.200] Catherine
[41:23.200 --> 41:24.200] That's exactly, Deborah
[41:24.200 --> 41:25.200] What I said when I
[41:25.200 --> 41:27.200] When I discovered this thing
[41:27.200 --> 41:28.200] The hair stood up
[41:28.200 --> 41:29.200] On the back of my neck
[41:29.200 --> 41:30.200] I said they're going to do
[41:30.200 --> 41:31.200] What?
[41:31.200 --> 41:32.200] So I figured out
[41:32.200 --> 41:33.200] I just got
[41:33.200 --> 41:34.200] You know, I became
[41:34.200 --> 41:35.200] You know how this is
[41:35.200 --> 41:36.200] When you just become
[41:36.200 --> 41:37.200] Like a rabid dog
[41:37.200 --> 41:38.200] You've got to
[41:38.200 --> 41:39.200] You can't let go of it
[41:39.200 --> 41:40.200] Your jaw locks on it
[41:40.200 --> 41:41.200] So I clenched my jaw
[41:41.200 --> 41:42.200] Under this thing
[41:42.200 --> 41:43.200] And I said
[41:43.200 --> 41:44.200] I'm going to figure out
[41:44.200 --> 41:45.200] Where they're doing this
[41:45.200 --> 41:46.200] And I discovered that it was
[41:46.200 --> 41:47.200] At that time
[41:47.200 --> 41:48.200] I was a graduate student
[41:48.200 --> 41:49.200] At Harvard
[41:49.200 --> 41:50.200] And I discovered
[41:50.200 --> 41:51.200] This was happening
[41:51.200 --> 41:52.200] Right down the street at MIT
[41:52.200 --> 41:53.200] So I just marched in there
[41:53.200 --> 41:54.200] And I sat in on a bunch
[41:54.200 --> 41:55.200] Of their meetings
[41:55.200 --> 41:56.200] Which were all
[41:56.200 --> 41:57.200] Closed door meetings
[41:57.200 --> 41:59.200] Kind of a complicated story
[41:59.200 --> 42:00.200] How I got in there
[42:00.200 --> 42:01.200] But I did
[42:01.200 --> 42:02.200] And in those meetings
[42:02.200 --> 42:03.200] It was even worse
[42:03.200 --> 42:04.200] Than your worst nightmare
[42:04.200 --> 42:05.200] The stuff these guys
[42:05.200 --> 42:06.200] Were talking about
[42:06.200 --> 42:07.200] Behind those closed doors
[42:07.200 --> 42:08.200] In those meetings
[42:08.200 --> 42:09.200] Where I kind of sat
[42:09.200 --> 42:11.200] You know, like a fly on the wall
[42:11.200 --> 42:13.200] Was unbelievable
[42:13.200 --> 42:14.200] That was when I heard
[42:14.200 --> 42:16.200] An executive actually say
[42:16.200 --> 42:17.200] Won't it be great
[42:17.200 --> 42:18.200] When we know every time
[42:18.200 --> 42:19.200] They take the lid off
[42:19.200 --> 42:20.200] The toothpaste
[42:20.200 --> 42:21.200] In their own bathrooms
[42:21.200 --> 42:22.200] That was when
[42:22.200 --> 42:23.200] Yeah
[42:23.200 --> 42:24.200] That was when they
[42:24.200 --> 42:25.200] Handed off this technology
[42:25.200 --> 42:26.200] There was a big meeting
[42:26.200 --> 42:27.200] In the fall of 2002
[42:27.200 --> 42:28.200] When they handed off
[42:28.200 --> 42:29.200] The technology
[42:29.200 --> 42:30.200] They said
[42:30.200 --> 42:31.200] All right
[42:31.200 --> 42:32.200] We got a big
[42:32.200 --> 42:33.200] They had a huge meeting
[42:33.200 --> 42:34.200] They had like
[42:34.200 --> 42:35.200] Probably 500
[42:35.200 --> 42:36.200] Corporate executives
[42:36.200 --> 42:37.200] From around the globe
[42:37.200 --> 42:38.200] They all got together
[42:38.200 --> 42:39.200] In this big conference center
[42:39.200 --> 42:40.200] At a hotel in Cambridge
[42:40.200 --> 42:41.200] And I crashed the meeting
[42:41.200 --> 42:42.200] And that was probably
[42:42.200 --> 42:43.200] One of the most nerve-racking
[42:43.200 --> 42:44.200] Things I've ever done
[42:44.200 --> 42:45.200] In my life
[42:45.200 --> 42:46.200] But I crashed into
[42:46.200 --> 42:47.200] This meeting
[42:47.200 --> 42:48.200] Totally uninvited
[42:48.200 --> 42:49.200] Probably they could have
[42:49.200 --> 42:50.200] Had me escorted
[42:50.200 --> 42:51.200] And arrested
[42:51.200 --> 42:52.200] I don't know
[42:52.200 --> 42:53.200] But I made my way
[42:53.200 --> 42:54.200] Into there
[42:54.200 --> 42:55.200] And I sat with a notebook
[42:55.200 --> 42:56.200] On this thing
[42:56.200 --> 42:57.200] Sitting in the back
[42:57.200 --> 42:58.200] Of the room
[42:58.200 --> 42:59.200] As these 500 people
[42:59.200 --> 43:00.200] All in suits
[43:00.200 --> 43:01.200] Get up there
[43:01.200 --> 43:02.200] And they're giving themselves
[43:02.200 --> 43:03.200] Congratulatory speeches
[43:03.200 --> 43:04.200] And there were
[43:04.200 --> 43:05.200] A couple of things
[43:05.200 --> 43:06.200] They announced
[43:06.200 --> 43:07.200] At this meeting
[43:07.200 --> 43:08.200] That changed my life
[43:08.200 --> 43:09.200] One of them was
[43:09.200 --> 43:10.200] They said
[43:10.200 --> 43:11.200] We are now ready
[43:11.200 --> 43:12.200] To go public
[43:12.200 --> 43:13.200] With this
[43:13.200 --> 43:14.200] We've perfected it
[43:14.200 --> 43:15.200] It is now small
[43:15.200 --> 43:16.200] Efficient
[43:16.200 --> 43:17.200] And it works
[43:17.200 --> 43:18.200] Look
[43:18.200 --> 43:19.200] And they demoed it
[43:19.200 --> 43:20.200] These little tiny stickers
[43:20.200 --> 43:21.200] About the size
[43:21.200 --> 43:22.200] Of a postage stamp
[43:22.200 --> 43:23.200] Maybe a little bit bigger
[43:23.200 --> 43:24.200] Were able to transmit
[43:24.200 --> 43:25.200] 15, 20 feet
[43:25.200 --> 43:26.200] And be picked up
[43:26.200 --> 43:27.200] Right through a box
[43:27.200 --> 43:28.200] Or a purse
[43:28.200 --> 43:29.200] Or a backpack
[43:29.200 --> 43:30.200] They demoed that
[43:30.200 --> 43:31.200] And showed how
[43:31.200 --> 43:32.200] These things could be
[43:32.200 --> 43:33.200] Tracked remotely
[43:33.200 --> 43:34.200] They said
[43:34.200 --> 43:35.200] We're done
[43:35.200 --> 43:36.200] The laboratory
[43:36.200 --> 43:37.200] We've done our job
[43:37.200 --> 43:38.200] We've perfected it
[43:38.200 --> 43:39.200] We're ready to
[43:39.200 --> 43:40.200] Hand it back to you
[43:40.200 --> 43:41.200] Industry
[43:41.200 --> 43:42.200] Said the MIT guys
[43:42.200 --> 43:43.200] And the people
[43:43.200 --> 43:44.200] They were handing it to
[43:44.200 --> 43:45.200] Really sent the chills
[43:45.200 --> 43:46.200] Down my spine
[43:46.200 --> 43:47.200] Because it was
[43:47.200 --> 43:48.200] Something called
[43:48.200 --> 43:49.200] The UCC
[43:49.200 --> 43:50.200] Which is the
[43:50.200 --> 43:51.200] Uniform Code Council
[43:51.200 --> 43:52.200] And anybody who works
[43:52.200 --> 43:53.200] In a retail
[43:53.200 --> 43:54.200] So they handed
[43:54.200 --> 43:55.200] This technology
[43:55.200 --> 43:56.200] That they'd worked on
[43:56.200 --> 43:57.200] At that point for
[43:57.200 --> 43:58.200] Close to three years
[43:58.200 --> 43:59.200] They handed it off
[43:59.200 --> 44:00.200] And they said
[44:00.200 --> 44:01.200] Yay Verily
[44:01.200 --> 44:02.200] Go forth
[44:02.200 --> 44:03.200] And do everything
[44:03.200 --> 44:04.200] You need to do
[44:04.200 --> 44:05.200] To replace the barcode
[44:05.200 --> 44:06.200] With this thing
[44:06.200 --> 44:07.200] The second announcement
[44:07.200 --> 44:08.200] That blew my mind
[44:08.200 --> 44:09.200] At this meeting
[44:09.200 --> 44:10.200] Was Gillette got up there
[44:10.200 --> 44:11.200] I should point out
[44:11.200 --> 44:12.200] Gillette has since been
[44:12.200 --> 44:13.200] Acquired by Procter & Gamble
[44:13.200 --> 44:14.200] Making an even bigger
[44:14.200 --> 44:15.200] Corporation
[44:15.200 --> 44:16.200] But Gillette got up there
[44:16.200 --> 44:17.200] And they said
[44:17.200 --> 44:18.200] We've put in
[44:18.200 --> 44:19.200] A purchase order
[44:19.200 --> 44:20.200] For a half a billion
[44:20.200 --> 44:21.200] Of these things
[44:21.200 --> 44:23.200] Half a billion 500 million
[44:23.200 --> 44:24.200] Tags
[44:24.200 --> 44:25.200] And we're going to
[44:25.200 --> 44:26.200] Start putting them
[44:26.200 --> 44:27.200] On our products
[44:27.200 --> 44:28.200] And using them
[44:28.200 --> 44:29.200] To track our products
[44:29.200 --> 44:30.200] So this stuff was like
[44:30.200 --> 44:31.200] Going to be deployed
[44:31.200 --> 44:32.200] Then and there
[44:32.200 --> 44:33.200] Now the third announcement
[44:33.200 --> 44:34.200] They had a woman
[44:34.200 --> 44:35.200] Named Helen Deuce
[44:35.200 --> 44:36.200] Get up there
[44:36.200 --> 44:37.200] And she was
[44:37.200 --> 44:38.200] Their market research
[44:38.200 --> 44:39.200] And research person
[44:39.200 --> 44:40.200] She gets up there
[44:40.200 --> 44:41.200] And she says
[44:41.200 --> 44:42.200] Well we've done
[44:42.200 --> 44:43.200] Some market research
[44:43.200 --> 44:44.200] To see how
[44:44.200 --> 44:45.200] Consumers are going
[44:45.200 --> 44:46.200] To accept this
[44:46.200 --> 44:47.200] New technology
[44:47.200 --> 44:48.200] And I've got some
[44:48.200 --> 44:49.200] Good news and some
[44:49.200 --> 44:50.200] Bad news
[44:50.200 --> 44:51.200] Let me give you
[44:51.200 --> 44:52.200] The bad news
[44:52.200 --> 44:53.200] She said
[44:53.200 --> 44:54.200] We went around
[44:54.200 --> 44:55.200] To every continent
[44:55.200 --> 44:56.200] On the globe
[44:56.200 --> 44:57.200] We interviewed people
[44:57.200 --> 44:58.200] We explained our
[44:58.200 --> 44:59.200] Technology
[44:59.200 --> 45:00.200] We explained the benefits
[45:00.200 --> 45:01.200] And the bad news
[45:01.200 --> 45:02.200] Is 78% of them
[45:02.200 --> 45:03.200] Hate it
[45:03.200 --> 45:04.200] They don't trust us
[45:04.200 --> 45:05.200] To use it
[45:05.200 --> 45:06.200] In a way that's
[45:06.200 --> 45:07.200] Ethical
[45:07.200 --> 45:08.200] They believe we're
[45:08.200 --> 45:09.200] Going to spy on them
[45:09.200 --> 45:10.200] And we're going to
[45:10.200 --> 45:11.200] Abuse this
[45:11.200 --> 45:12.200] For marketing purposes
[45:12.200 --> 45:13.200] And other things
[45:13.200 --> 45:14.200] They don't trust
[45:14.200 --> 45:15.200] The government
[45:15.200 --> 45:16.200] To use it effectively
[45:16.200 --> 45:17.200] And in essence
[45:17.200 --> 45:18.200] They hate us
[45:18.200 --> 45:19.200] And they hate our product
[45:19.200 --> 45:20.200] Now let me give you
[45:20.200 --> 45:21.200] The good news
[45:21.200 --> 45:22.200] Yeah absolutely
[45:22.200 --> 45:23.200] You better believe it
[45:23.200 --> 45:24.200] She says
[45:24.200 --> 45:25.200] Now let me give you
[45:25.200 --> 45:26.200] The good news
[45:26.200 --> 45:27.200] And all these
[45:27.200 --> 45:28.200] Corporate executives
[45:28.200 --> 45:29.200] Are like leaning forward
[45:29.200 --> 45:30.200] And you could have
[45:30.200 --> 45:31.200] Heard a pin drop
[45:31.200 --> 45:32.200] In the room
[45:32.200 --> 45:33.200] At that point
[45:33.200 --> 45:34.200] She says
[45:34.200 --> 45:35.200] The good news
[45:35.200 --> 45:36.200] Is that on the whole
[45:36.200 --> 45:37.200] They feel apathetic
[45:37.200 --> 45:38.200] And helpless to resist
[45:38.200 --> 45:39.200] Oh boy
[45:39.200 --> 45:40.200] I'm telling you
[45:40.200 --> 45:41.200] She says
[45:41.200 --> 45:42.200] So I think we're
[45:42.200 --> 45:43.200] In good shape
[45:43.200 --> 45:44.200] Unless some consumer
[45:44.200 --> 45:45.200] Advocate comes along
[45:45.200 --> 45:46.200] And stirs them up
[45:46.200 --> 45:47.200] So now here I am
[45:47.200 --> 45:48.200] Sitting like a little
[45:48.200 --> 45:49.200] Boy trying not
[45:49.200 --> 45:50.200] To be noticed
[45:50.200 --> 45:51.200] And as she says this
[45:51.200 --> 45:52.200] Oh and then
[45:52.200 --> 45:53.200] I got to point out
[45:53.200 --> 45:54.200] That a major executive
[45:54.200 --> 45:56.200] From a major corporation
[45:56.200 --> 45:57.200] Then raises his hand
[45:57.200 --> 45:58.200] And stands up
[45:58.200 --> 45:59.200] And this bald headed
[45:59.200 --> 46:00.200] Mousy guy gets up
[46:00.200 --> 46:02.200] And I won't even name
[46:02.200 --> 46:03.200] The company
[46:03.200 --> 46:04.200] But he gets up
[46:04.200 --> 46:05.200] And he says
[46:05.200 --> 46:06.200] Well you know
[46:06.200 --> 46:07.200] Wouldn't it be a good idea
[46:07.200 --> 46:08.200] To co-opt
[46:08.200 --> 46:09.200] I'm sorry
[46:09.200 --> 46:10.200] I mean bring on board
[46:10.200 --> 46:12.200] Some of the privacy groups
[46:12.200 --> 46:13.200] To try to head that off
[46:13.200 --> 46:14.200] Oh boy
[46:14.200 --> 46:15.200] He actually said
[46:15.200 --> 46:16.200] Co-opt
[46:16.200 --> 46:17.200] Yes he did
[46:17.200 --> 46:18.200] He said
[46:18.200 --> 46:19.200] I don't want to use
[46:19.200 --> 46:20.200] The word co-opt
[46:20.200 --> 46:21.200] But to kind of
[46:21.200 --> 46:22.200] Bring them on board
[46:22.200 --> 46:23.200] That's what he said
[46:23.200 --> 46:24.200] He said
[46:24.200 --> 46:25.200] I don't want to use
[46:25.200 --> 46:26.200] The word co-opt
[46:26.200 --> 46:27.200] But shouldn't we
[46:27.200 --> 46:28.200] Bring them on board
[46:28.200 --> 46:29.200] Oh my god
[46:29.200 --> 46:30.200] And so you've got to
[46:30.200 --> 46:31.200] Realize mainstream
[46:31.200 --> 46:32.200] Privacy groups
[46:32.200 --> 46:33.200] You know anybody
[46:33.200 --> 46:34.200] Working on this
[46:34.200 --> 46:35.200] Kind of stuff
[46:35.200 --> 46:36.200] You know they're broke
[46:36.200 --> 46:38.200] And so if you come on board
[46:38.200 --> 46:39.200] And you say
[46:39.200 --> 46:40.200] You know we want to
[46:40.200 --> 46:41.200] Commission a study
[46:41.200 --> 46:42.200] And we'll give you
[46:42.200 --> 46:43.200] You know $50,000
[46:43.200 --> 46:44.200] Then you can buy
[46:44.200 --> 46:45.200] Their silence
[46:45.200 --> 46:46.200] I mean I'm not pointing
[46:46.200 --> 46:47.200] At the privacy groups
[46:47.200 --> 46:48.200] In particular
[46:48.200 --> 46:49.200] But that's really
[46:49.200 --> 46:50.200] What they were counting on
[46:50.200 --> 46:51.200] So I sat in the back
[46:51.200 --> 46:52.200] Of the room
[46:52.200 --> 46:53.200] At that point
[46:53.200 --> 46:54.200] I had been running
[46:54.200 --> 46:55.200] Caspian
[46:55.200 --> 46:56.200] My consumer privacy group
[46:56.200 --> 46:57.200] That opposes
[46:57.200 --> 46:58.200] Or at that time
[46:58.200 --> 46:59.200] Was just opposing
[46:59.200 --> 47:01.200] Frequent shopper cards
[47:01.200 --> 47:02.200] Which later became
[47:02.200 --> 47:03.200] The topic of my
[47:03.200 --> 47:04.200] Harvard dissertation
[47:04.200 --> 47:05.200] But you know
[47:05.200 --> 47:06.200] I'm sitting in the back
[47:06.200 --> 47:07.200] Of the room going
[47:07.200 --> 47:08.200] You know they don't
[47:08.200 --> 47:09.200] Want a consumer
[47:09.200 --> 47:10.200] Privacy advocate
[47:10.200 --> 47:11.200] Well gosh darn it
[47:11.200 --> 47:12.200] I will be that person
[47:12.200 --> 47:13.200] And I'm going to dog
[47:13.200 --> 47:14.200] These guys heels
[47:14.200 --> 47:15.200] From now until
[47:15.200 --> 47:16.200] We have to realize
[47:16.200 --> 47:17.200] That there is opposition
[47:17.200 --> 47:19.200] That we are not going
[47:19.200 --> 47:20.200] To go passively
[47:20.200 --> 47:21.200] Into that dark night
[47:21.200 --> 47:22.200] That we're not going to be
[47:22.200 --> 47:23.200] Helpless and hopeless
[47:23.200 --> 47:24.200] Like they hope we are
[47:24.200 --> 47:25.200] And I'm going to do
[47:25.200 --> 47:26.200] Everything in my power
[47:26.200 --> 47:27.200] To spread the word
[47:27.200 --> 47:28.200] About this
[47:28.200 --> 47:29.200] And muster up
[47:29.200 --> 47:30.200] Some resistance
[47:30.200 --> 47:31.200] And some serious
[47:31.200 --> 47:32.200] Hardcore fight
[47:32.200 --> 47:33.200] Against these guys
[47:33.200 --> 47:34.200] So that's what I've
[47:34.200 --> 47:35.200] Spent the last what
[47:35.200 --> 47:36.200] That was 2002
[47:36.200 --> 47:37.200] So I've spent like
[47:37.200 --> 47:38.200] The last seven years
[47:38.200 --> 47:39.200] Of my life doing that
[47:39.200 --> 47:40.200] So there's kind of
[47:40.200 --> 47:41.200] The background
[47:41.200 --> 47:42.200] Now let me fast forward
[47:42.200 --> 47:43.200] You a little bit
[47:43.200 --> 47:44.200] We were able
[47:44.200 --> 47:45.200] To do a whole lot
[47:45.200 --> 47:46.200] Of high profile
[47:46.200 --> 47:47.200] Media coverage
[47:47.200 --> 47:48.200] And a whole lot
[47:48.200 --> 47:49.200] Of protests
[47:49.200 --> 47:50.200] To get them to stop
[47:50.200 --> 47:51.200] Some of the more
[47:51.200 --> 47:52.200] Egregious plans
[47:52.200 --> 47:53.200] Because if it hadn't
[47:53.200 --> 47:54.200] Been for the work
[47:54.200 --> 47:55.200] Of activists across
[47:55.200 --> 47:56.200] This country
[47:56.200 --> 47:57.200] And opponents of this
[47:57.200 --> 47:59.200] I firmly believe right now
[47:59.200 --> 48:00.200] Debra
[48:00.200 --> 48:01.200] That sitting there
[48:01.200 --> 48:02.200] In your studio
[48:02.200 --> 48:03.200] You and Randy
[48:03.200 --> 48:04.200] Would have microchip
[48:04.200 --> 48:05.200] Implants in your shoes
[48:05.200 --> 48:06.200] Right now
[48:06.200 --> 48:07.200] Because they were
[48:07.200 --> 48:08.200] Raring to go
[48:08.200 --> 48:09.200] Gillette had their
[48:09.200 --> 48:10.200] 500 million purchase
[48:10.200 --> 48:11.200] Order in all these
[48:11.200 --> 48:12.200] Other companies
[48:12.200 --> 48:13.200] Calvin Klein
[48:13.200 --> 48:14.200] They all had
[48:14.200 --> 48:15.200] Their purchase orders
[48:15.200 --> 48:16.200] In the works too
[48:16.200 --> 48:17.200] They were all
[48:17.200 --> 48:18.200] In the process
[48:18.200 --> 48:19.200] Of signing contracts
[48:19.200 --> 48:20.200] To do this as well
[48:20.200 --> 48:21.200] And there already
[48:21.200 --> 48:22.200] Had been trials
[48:22.200 --> 48:23.200] Unbeknownst to consumers
[48:23.200 --> 48:24.200] Secret trials
[48:24.200 --> 48:25.200] Of putting this
[48:25.200 --> 48:26.200] Into their stuff
[48:26.200 --> 48:27.200] And using it
[48:27.200 --> 48:28.200] And trying it out
[48:28.200 --> 48:29.200] To see if it could
[48:29.200 --> 48:30.200] Be used to track them
[48:30.200 --> 48:31.200] So when we got wind
[48:31.200 --> 48:32.200] Of a lot of this
[48:32.200 --> 48:33.200] We did some pretty
[48:33.200 --> 48:34.200] High profile battles
[48:34.200 --> 48:35.200] We won a couple of
[48:35.200 --> 48:36.200] Huge battles
[48:36.200 --> 48:38.200] Some First Amendment cases
[48:38.200 --> 48:39.200] We fought together
[48:39.200 --> 48:40.200] With the ACLU
[48:40.200 --> 48:41.200] And we got the biggest
[48:41.200 --> 48:42.200] Conference center
[48:42.200 --> 48:43.200] In the U.S.
[48:43.200 --> 48:44.200] To open up
[48:44.200 --> 48:45.200] To protest
[48:45.200 --> 48:46.200] Because we were
[48:46.200 --> 48:47.200] Protesting this event
[48:47.200 --> 48:48.200] All sorts of things
[48:48.200 --> 48:49.200] You know, my life
[48:49.200 --> 48:50.200] Has been sort of
[48:50.200 --> 48:51.200] An exciting rollercoaster
[48:51.200 --> 48:52.200] For the last couple of years
[48:52.200 --> 48:53.200] So we managed
[48:53.200 --> 48:54.200] I would say
[48:54.200 --> 48:55.200] At this point
[48:55.200 --> 48:56.200] That we can claim victory
[48:56.200 --> 48:59.200] On the product tagging
[48:59.200 --> 49:00.200] That they had planned
[49:00.200 --> 49:01.200] Because seven years later
[49:01.200 --> 49:02.200] It has not replaced
[49:02.200 --> 49:03.200] The barcode
[49:03.200 --> 49:04.200] That is exactly
[49:04.200 --> 49:05.200] What they had planned to do
[49:05.200 --> 49:06.200] And we managed to stop it
[49:06.200 --> 49:07.200] Wow
[49:07.200 --> 49:08.200] So let me kind of
[49:08.200 --> 49:09.200] Say a high five out there
[49:09.200 --> 49:10.200] To all the people
[49:10.200 --> 49:11.200] Who fought against
[49:11.200 --> 49:12.200] RFID
[49:12.200 --> 49:13.200] Now here's the
[49:13.200 --> 49:14.200] Downside though
[49:14.200 --> 49:15.200] I am a
[49:15.200 --> 49:16.200] Consumer advocate
[49:16.200 --> 49:17.200] The name of my
[49:17.200 --> 49:18.200] Organization is
[49:18.200 --> 49:19.200] Caspian
[49:19.200 --> 49:20.200] Which is consumers
[49:20.200 --> 49:21.200] Against supermarket
[49:21.200 --> 49:22.200] Privacy invasion
[49:22.200 --> 49:23.200] And numbering
[49:23.200 --> 49:24.200] It may as well be
[49:24.200 --> 49:25.200] Consumers against
[49:25.200 --> 49:26.200] Surveillance privacy
[49:26.200 --> 49:27.200] Invasion and numbering
[49:27.200 --> 49:28.200] But you know
[49:28.200 --> 49:29.200] We fight retail issues
[49:29.200 --> 49:30.200] And we're consumer based
[49:30.200 --> 49:31.200] We are not
[49:31.200 --> 49:32.200] Citizens against
[49:32.200 --> 49:33.200] Surveillance and
[49:33.200 --> 49:34.200] Blah, blah, blah
[49:34.200 --> 49:35.200] We're consumers
[49:35.200 --> 49:36.200] So I really
[49:36.200 --> 49:38.200] Mapped out my territory
[49:38.200 --> 49:39.200] Because you really
[49:39.200 --> 49:40.200] Have to kind of
[49:40.200 --> 49:41.200] Battle
[49:41.200 --> 49:42.200] And I mapped out my
[49:42.200 --> 49:43.200] Territories preventing
[49:43.200 --> 49:44.200] These things from
[49:44.200 --> 49:45.200] Replacing the barcode
[49:45.200 --> 49:46.200] Because in my mind
[49:46.200 --> 49:47.200] In 2002
[49:47.200 --> 49:48.200] That was the threat model
[49:48.200 --> 49:49.200] And it very much was
[49:49.200 --> 49:52.200] The problem is that
[49:52.200 --> 49:53.200] Because I was a
[49:53.200 --> 49:54.200] Consumer advocate
[49:54.200 --> 49:56.200] I kept thinking
[49:56.200 --> 49:57.200] You know wishful thinking
[49:57.200 --> 49:58.200] That someone would come
[49:58.200 --> 50:00.200] Along and sort of
[50:00.200 --> 50:01.200] Mimic what I was
[50:01.200 --> 50:02.200] Doing on the
[50:02.200 --> 50:03.200] Government side
[50:03.200 --> 50:04.200] And prevent
[50:04.200 --> 50:05.200] Government abuse of
[50:05.200 --> 50:06.200] This technology
[50:06.200 --> 50:07.200] And unfortunately
[50:07.200 --> 50:08.200] While I was out there
[50:08.200 --> 50:09.200] In the trenches
[50:09.200 --> 50:10.200] And consumer based
[50:10.200 --> 50:12.200] Retail and product abuse
[50:12.200 --> 50:13.200] Of this
[50:13.200 --> 50:14.200] Nobody was fighting
[50:14.200 --> 50:15.200] With me
[50:15.200 --> 50:16.200] I had no backup
[50:16.200 --> 50:18.200] On the government side
[50:18.200 --> 50:19.200] So what happened
[50:19.200 --> 50:20.200] Is that all of these
[50:20.200 --> 50:21.200] Companies
[50:21.200 --> 50:22.200] Texas Instruments
[50:22.200 --> 50:23.200] And a company called
[50:23.200 --> 50:24.200] Alien Technologies
[50:24.200 --> 50:25.200] If you can believe it
[50:25.200 --> 50:27.200] Big RFID manufacturer
[50:27.200 --> 50:28.200] Another company called
[50:28.200 --> 50:29.200] Matrix Technologies
[50:29.200 --> 50:30.200] I mean they pick
[50:30.200 --> 50:31.200] The worst names
[50:31.200 --> 50:32.200] I don't know why
[50:32.200 --> 50:33.200] They just don't come out
[50:33.200 --> 50:34.200] And call it Beast Technologies
[50:34.200 --> 50:36.200] Or you know 666 Inc.
[50:36.200 --> 50:37.200] But all these
[50:37.200 --> 50:38.200] Awful companies
[50:38.200 --> 50:39.200] They all said
[50:39.200 --> 50:40.200] Well wait a minute
[50:40.200 --> 50:41.200] We're not going to get
[50:41.200 --> 50:42.200] Anywhere tagging these
[50:42.200 --> 50:43.200] Products because we got
[50:43.200 --> 50:44.200] All these consumers
[50:44.200 --> 50:45.200] Imposing us
[50:45.200 --> 50:46.200] So let's go to the
[50:46.200 --> 50:47.200] Government and lobby them
[50:47.200 --> 50:48.200] And petition them
[50:48.200 --> 50:49.200] To put this stuff forward
[50:49.200 --> 50:51.200] And that's exactly where
[50:51.200 --> 50:53.200] We are today in 2009
[50:53.200 --> 50:54.200] Where the only adopter
[50:54.200 --> 50:56.200] Of this garbage right now
[50:56.200 --> 50:57.200] Is government
[50:57.200 --> 50:58.200] And that's where
[50:58.200 --> 50:59.200] You're more likely to see
[50:59.200 --> 51:00.200] It right now
[51:00.200 --> 51:01.200] You're going to see it
[51:01.200 --> 51:02.200] You already will see it
[51:02.200 --> 51:03.200] In every US passport
[51:03.200 --> 51:05.200] All US passports now
[51:05.200 --> 51:07.200] Have RFID tags in them
[51:07.200 --> 51:08.200] I'm sorry
[51:08.200 --> 51:09.200] I guess I failed
[51:09.200 --> 51:10.200] On that front
[51:10.200 --> 51:11.200] Because that wasn't
[51:11.200 --> 51:12.200] My territory
[51:12.200 --> 51:13.200] You're now seeing them
[51:13.200 --> 51:14.200] Come out in border
[51:14.200 --> 51:15.200] Crossing cards issued
[51:15.200 --> 51:16.200] By Homeland Security
[51:16.200 --> 51:17.200] In the state of Washington
[51:17.200 --> 51:18.200] New York
[51:18.200 --> 51:19.200] Vermont
[51:19.200 --> 51:20.200] Michigan
[51:20.200 --> 51:21.200] And Arizona
[51:21.200 --> 51:22.200] So you got all those
[51:22.200 --> 51:23.200] Border states now
[51:23.200 --> 51:24.200] Getting on board
[51:24.200 --> 51:25.200] With Homeland Security
[51:25.200 --> 51:26.200] Putting these horrible
[51:26.200 --> 51:27.200] Spy chips
[51:27.200 --> 51:28.200] Into border crossing cards
[51:28.200 --> 51:29.200] And the government
[51:29.200 --> 51:30.200] Is really moving
[51:30.200 --> 51:31.200] Forward worldwide
[51:31.200 --> 51:32.200] With all of these
[51:32.200 --> 51:33.200] RF initiatives
[51:33.200 --> 51:34.200] Where they want to put
[51:34.200 --> 51:35.200] Now they're putting them
[51:35.200 --> 51:36.200] In transportation
[51:36.200 --> 51:37.200] In federal government
[51:37.200 --> 51:38.200] ID cards
[51:38.200 --> 51:39.200] I mean it's starting
[51:39.200 --> 51:40.200] To really proliferate
[51:40.200 --> 51:42.200] On the government side
[51:42.200 --> 51:43.200] And that
[51:43.200 --> 51:44.200] You know from where I sit
[51:44.200 --> 51:45.200] That's an arena
[51:45.200 --> 51:46.200] That I don't like
[51:46.200 --> 51:47.200] Playing in
[51:47.200 --> 51:48.200] I don't like fighting
[51:48.200 --> 51:49.200] Them on that end
[51:49.200 --> 51:50.200] No amount of consumer
[51:50.200 --> 51:51.200] Pressure or marketplace
[51:51.200 --> 51:52.200] Pressure really has
[51:52.200 --> 51:53.200] Much of an impact
[51:53.200 --> 51:54.200] On the federal government
[51:54.200 --> 51:55.200] And that's really where
[51:55.200 --> 51:56.200] We seriously need help
[51:56.200 --> 51:57.200] So activists out there
[51:57.200 --> 51:58.200] Listening
[51:58.200 --> 51:59.200] You know I can
[51:59.200 --> 52:00.200] Give you the benefit
[52:00.200 --> 52:01.200] Of 10 years
[52:01.200 --> 52:02.200] Experienced fighting
[52:02.200 --> 52:03.200] This garbage
[52:03.200 --> 52:04.200] But I really need
[52:04.200 --> 52:05.200] People who are willing
[52:05.200 --> 52:06.200] To fight on the
[52:06.200 --> 52:07.200] Government implementation
[52:07.200 --> 52:08.200] Of this stuff
[52:08.200 --> 52:09.200] Because before long
[52:09.200 --> 52:10.200] It's going to be
[52:10.200 --> 52:11.200] The convergence
[52:11.200 --> 52:12.200] Of the chipping the
[52:12.200 --> 52:13.200] Animals
[52:13.200 --> 52:14.200] Chipping the farm animals
[52:14.200 --> 52:15.200] Chipping the dogs
[52:15.200 --> 52:16.200] Is going to converge
[52:16.200 --> 52:17.200] With Homeland Security
[52:17.200 --> 52:18.200] Chipping the driver's
[52:18.200 --> 52:19.200] Licenses
[52:19.200 --> 52:20.200] And it really is
[52:20.200 --> 52:21.200] When those two things
[52:21.200 --> 52:22.200] Meet
[52:22.200 --> 52:23.200] When those two
[52:23.200 --> 52:24.200] You know sort of
[52:24.200 --> 52:25.200] Picture two lines
[52:25.200 --> 52:26.200] Coming at each other
[52:26.200 --> 52:27.200] One from the left
[52:27.200 --> 52:28.200] And one from the right
[52:28.200 --> 52:29.200] When they hit
[52:29.200 --> 52:30.200] In the middle
[52:30.200 --> 52:31.200] That's right where we are
[52:31.200 --> 52:32.200] We are the target
[52:32.200 --> 52:33.200] Those two things
[52:33.200 --> 52:34.200] Are going to converge
[52:34.200 --> 52:35.200] With the initiative
[52:35.200 --> 52:36.200] To chip humans
[52:36.200 --> 52:37.200] And when that happens
[52:37.200 --> 52:38.200] Look out man
[52:38.200 --> 52:39.200] Oh my gosh
[52:39.200 --> 52:40.200] Really?
[52:40.200 --> 52:41.200] Well I have
[52:41.200 --> 52:42.200] My passport was issued
[52:42.200 --> 52:43.200] Before they started
[52:43.200 --> 52:44.200] Chipping
[52:44.200 --> 52:45.200] Unfortunately they expire
[52:45.200 --> 52:46.200] Every 10 years
[52:46.200 --> 52:47.200] So I know I'll have
[52:47.200 --> 52:48.200] To get one eventually
[52:48.200 --> 52:49.200] But I have several friends
[52:49.200 --> 52:50.200] That have gotten
[52:50.200 --> 52:51.200] Passports with a chip
[52:51.200 --> 52:52.200] And they just fry it
[52:52.200 --> 52:53.200] In the microwave
[52:53.200 --> 52:54.200] Well I wouldn't
[52:54.200 --> 52:55.200] Advise frying it
[52:55.200 --> 52:56.200] In a microwave
[52:56.200 --> 52:57.200] For a couple of reasons
[52:57.200 --> 52:58.200] First of all
[52:58.200 --> 52:59.200] When you put
[52:59.200 --> 53:00.200] An RFID chip
[53:00.200 --> 53:01.200] In the microwave
[53:01.200 --> 53:02.200] It does definitely
[53:02.200 --> 53:03.200] Distortions
[53:03.200 --> 53:04.200] It does definitely
[53:04.200 --> 53:05.200] Destroy it
[53:05.200 --> 53:06.200] But it's likely
[53:06.200 --> 53:07.200] To burn it
[53:07.200 --> 53:08.200] And to either
[53:08.200 --> 53:09.200] Cause it to literally
[53:09.200 --> 53:10.200] Catch on fire
[53:10.200 --> 53:11.200] Or leave a big
[53:11.200 --> 53:12.200] Char mark
[53:12.200 --> 53:13.200] Like a black
[53:13.200 --> 53:14.200] Yeah it left
[53:14.200 --> 53:15.200] A brown char mark
[53:15.200 --> 53:16.200] On the passport
[53:16.200 --> 53:17.200] Yeah and see
[53:17.200 --> 53:18.200] That's really obvious
[53:18.200 --> 53:19.200] You know it really
[53:19.200 --> 53:20.200] Shows
[53:20.200 --> 53:21.200] I know
[53:21.200 --> 53:22.200] Yeah so that's not
[53:22.200 --> 53:23.200] Your best move
[53:23.200 --> 53:24.200] But the thing about
[53:24.200 --> 53:25.200] Those passport cards
[53:25.200 --> 53:26.200] Is that
[53:26.200 --> 53:27.200] Or the passports
[53:27.200 --> 53:28.200] They're not cards
[53:28.200 --> 53:29.200] They're just
[53:29.200 --> 53:30.200] Regular foldable passports
[53:30.200 --> 53:31.200] The RFID technology
[53:31.200 --> 53:32.200] In them is sort of
[53:32.200 --> 53:33.200] And they already
[53:33.200 --> 53:34.200] Have a failure rate
[53:34.200 --> 53:35.200] Of about 10%
[53:35.200 --> 53:36.200] So those things
[53:36.200 --> 53:37.200] Are not
[53:37.200 --> 53:38.200] They're not fail proof
[53:38.200 --> 53:39.200] They're
[53:39.200 --> 53:40.200] They're
[53:40.200 --> 53:41.200] They're working on
[53:41.200 --> 53:42.200] Making them more
[53:42.200 --> 53:43.200] Robust
[53:43.200 --> 53:44.200] But for now
[53:44.200 --> 53:45.200] They have an expectation
[53:45.200 --> 53:46.200] That a lot of them
[53:46.200 --> 53:47.200] Are going to fail
[53:47.200 --> 53:48.200] So as a result
[53:48.200 --> 53:49.200] Even though
[53:49.200 --> 53:50.200] They don't tell you this
[53:50.200 --> 53:51.200] The policy is
[53:51.200 --> 53:52.200] If they try to scan it
[53:52.200 --> 53:53.200] They don't get a read
[53:53.200 --> 53:54.200] It's no big deal
[53:54.200 --> 53:55.200] They just enter
[53:55.200 --> 53:56.200] The number manually
[53:56.200 --> 53:57.200] Or they'll scan
[53:57.200 --> 53:58.200] The machine readable
[53:58.200 --> 53:59.200] Part of the passport
[53:59.200 --> 54:00.200] And blow off
[54:00.200 --> 54:01.200] The RFID tag
[54:01.200 --> 54:02.200] If for example
[54:02.200 --> 54:03.200] Your passport
[54:03.200 --> 54:04.200] Just happened to be
[54:04.200 --> 54:05.200] One of the 10%
[54:05.200 --> 54:06.200] That just kind of
[54:06.200 --> 54:07.200] Randomly failed
[54:07.200 --> 54:08.200] Then oh well
[54:08.200 --> 54:09.200] You know
[54:09.200 --> 54:10.200] I guess we'll just
[54:10.200 --> 54:11.200] Have to enter it by hand
[54:11.200 --> 54:12.200] But it won't prevent
[54:12.200 --> 54:13.200] Your passport from
[54:13.200 --> 54:14.200] Being valid
[54:14.200 --> 54:15.200] It won't invalidate
[54:15.200 --> 54:16.200] Your passport
[54:16.200 --> 54:17.200] So what I tell people
[54:17.200 --> 54:18.200] Is that
[54:18.200 --> 54:19.200] If your passport
[54:19.200 --> 54:20.200] Were somehow
[54:20.200 --> 54:21.200] Oh I don't know
[54:21.200 --> 54:22.200] To be
[54:22.200 --> 54:23.200] You know
[54:23.200 --> 54:24.200] At the bottom
[54:24.200 --> 54:25.200] Of a big bag of books
[54:25.200 --> 54:26.200] And get really
[54:26.200 --> 54:27.200] Smashed up
[54:27.200 --> 54:28.200] By those books
[54:28.200 --> 54:29.200] Or were to get
[54:29.200 --> 54:30.200] Sort of bent
[54:30.200 --> 54:31.200] Or mutilated
[54:31.200 --> 54:32.200] And folded
[54:32.200 --> 54:33.200] Back and forth
[54:33.200 --> 54:34.200] A lot of times
[54:34.200 --> 54:35.200] Then you know
[54:35.200 --> 54:36.200] The chances are
[54:36.200 --> 54:37.200] The chip probably
[54:37.200 --> 54:38.200] Would stop functioning
[54:38.200 --> 54:39.200] There are websites
[54:39.200 --> 54:40.200] On the internet
[54:40.200 --> 54:41.200] That will tell you
[54:41.200 --> 54:42.200] Actually how to kill
[54:42.200 --> 54:43.200] An RFID tag
[54:43.200 --> 54:44.200] In a passport
[54:44.200 --> 54:45.200] You put it between
[54:45.200 --> 54:46.200] Like two flannel sheets
[54:46.200 --> 54:47.200] You take out a hammer
[54:47.200 --> 54:48.200] And you just smash
[54:48.200 --> 54:49.200] The bejeebers out
[54:49.200 --> 54:50.200] Of the thick place
[54:50.200 --> 54:51.200] Where you know
[54:51.200 --> 54:52.200] The RFID microchip is
[54:52.200 --> 54:53.200] And when you do that
[54:53.200 --> 54:54.200] It actually will stop
[54:54.200 --> 54:55.200] Working and there's
[54:55.200 --> 54:56.200] No telltale signs
[54:56.200 --> 54:57.200] Oh that's good
[54:57.200 --> 54:58.200] That sounds a lot better
[54:58.200 --> 54:59.200] Than the microwave
[54:59.200 --> 55:00.200] The thing about
[55:00.200 --> 55:01.200] The passport tags
[55:01.200 --> 55:03.200] There was a comment period
[55:03.200 --> 55:04.200] That they put out there
[55:04.200 --> 55:05.200] That the state department
[55:05.200 --> 55:06.200] Opened up for comments
[55:06.200 --> 55:08.200] On passport RFID
[55:08.200 --> 55:09.200] They received
[55:09.200 --> 55:11.200] 2,000 comments
[55:11.200 --> 55:13.200] Of which 98%
[55:13.200 --> 55:15.200] Were in opposition
[55:15.200 --> 55:16.200] That's mind blowing
[55:16.200 --> 55:19.200] They did it anyway
[55:19.200 --> 55:21.200] But what they did
[55:21.200 --> 55:22.200] And I think this
[55:22.200 --> 55:24.200] Well that's a whole other
[55:24.200 --> 55:25.200] Strategic philosophical
[55:25.200 --> 55:26.200] Point I could make
[55:26.200 --> 55:27.200] But they did it anyway
[55:27.200 --> 55:29.200] And they said
[55:29.200 --> 55:32.200] Oh okay you win
[55:32.200 --> 55:33.200] You win all you
[55:33.200 --> 55:34.200] Opponents who say
[55:34.200 --> 55:35.200] It's not secure
[55:35.200 --> 55:36.200] We'll just make it
[55:36.200 --> 55:37.200] Secure there
[55:37.200 --> 55:38.200] Now see
[55:38.200 --> 55:39.200] You know we did
[55:39.200 --> 55:40.200] What you wanted us to do
[55:40.200 --> 55:41.200] Thank you for weighing in
[55:41.200 --> 55:42.200] We've resolved the problem
[55:42.200 --> 55:43.200] And so what they
[55:43.200 --> 55:44.200] Initially did was
[55:44.200 --> 55:45.200] They proposed
[55:45.200 --> 55:46.200] The worst possible
[55:46.200 --> 55:47.200] Way of doing this
[55:47.200 --> 55:48.200] No encryption
[55:48.200 --> 55:49.200] No shielding
[55:49.200 --> 55:50.200] No protection
[55:50.200 --> 55:52.200] Card tag on there
[55:52.200 --> 55:53.200] That could be read
[55:53.200 --> 55:54.200] In the clear by anybody
[55:54.200 --> 55:55.200] And then all these
[55:55.200 --> 55:56.200] Comments came in
[55:56.200 --> 55:57.200] And see this is why
[55:57.200 --> 55:58.200] You've got to be careful
[55:58.200 --> 55:59.200] Whenever you're fighting
[55:59.200 --> 56:00.200] Against some big brother
[56:00.200 --> 56:01.200] Intrusion
[56:01.200 --> 56:02.200] Never fight against it
[56:02.200 --> 56:03.200] Based on the low
[56:03.200 --> 56:04.200] Hanging fruit
[56:04.200 --> 56:06.200] Don't take the bait
[56:06.200 --> 56:07.200] They will make a really
[56:07.200 --> 56:09.200] Glaring obvious problem
[56:09.200 --> 56:10.200] And when you write in
[56:10.200 --> 56:11.200] To oppose it
[56:11.200 --> 56:12.200] Don't oppose the
[56:12.200 --> 56:13.200] Glaring obvious problem
[56:13.200 --> 56:14.200] Because they put it there
[56:14.200 --> 56:15.200] Specifically to draw your
[56:15.200 --> 56:16.200] Fire
[56:16.200 --> 56:18.200] You have got to always
[56:18.200 --> 56:19.200] As freedom loving
[56:19.200 --> 56:20.200] Americans
[56:20.200 --> 56:21.200] You have always got to
[56:21.200 --> 56:22.200] Say the real reason
[56:22.200 --> 56:23.200] Why you oppose it
[56:23.200 --> 56:24.200] It's Orwellian
[56:24.200 --> 56:26.200] It is antagonistic
[56:26.200 --> 56:27.200] To a freak society
[56:27.200 --> 56:29.200] It is big brother-esque
[56:29.200 --> 56:30.200] It's you know
[56:30.200 --> 56:31.200] Fill in all your blanks
[56:31.200 --> 56:32.200] About why you really
[56:32.200 --> 56:33.200] Oppose it on a true
[56:33.200 --> 56:34.200] Philosophical level
[56:34.200 --> 56:35.200] Or religious grounds
[56:35.200 --> 56:37.200] But don't take their
[56:37.200 --> 56:38.200] Low hanging target
[56:38.200 --> 56:40.200] So unfortunately in the
[56:40.200 --> 56:41.200] Case of passports
[56:41.200 --> 56:42.200] That's exactly what
[56:42.200 --> 56:43.200] People did
[56:43.200 --> 56:44.200] They made it
[56:44.200 --> 56:45.200] Intentionally insecure
[56:45.200 --> 56:46.200] In my view
[56:46.200 --> 56:47.200] People wrote in and said
[56:47.200 --> 56:48.200] Look it's insecure
[56:48.200 --> 56:49.200] And they said
[56:49.200 --> 56:50.200] Oh my gosh
[56:50.200 --> 56:51.200] You're right
[56:51.200 --> 56:52.200] Well guess what
[56:52.200 --> 56:53.200] We'll encrypt the tag
[56:53.200 --> 56:54.200] And we'll put
[56:54.200 --> 56:55.200] Shielding fabric
[56:55.200 --> 56:56.200] Into the cover of
[56:56.200 --> 56:57.200] The passport
[56:57.200 --> 56:58.200] So when you fold it shut
[56:58.200 --> 56:59.200] It will be shielded
[56:59.200 --> 57:00.200] With RF shielding
[57:00.200 --> 57:02.200] And that solves your problem
[57:02.200 --> 57:03.200] Good now we can move
[57:03.200 --> 57:04.200] Forward
[57:04.200 --> 57:05.200] Yeah pretty obvious
[57:05.200 --> 57:06.200] Game plan there
[57:06.200 --> 57:07.200] Yeah but see
[57:07.200 --> 57:08.200] Nobody seems to have
[57:08.200 --> 57:09.200] Spotted it
[57:09.200 --> 57:10.200] And as I was reading
[57:10.200 --> 57:11.200] These 2,000 comments
[57:11.200 --> 57:12.200] I read them with
[57:12.200 --> 57:13.200] Absolute dismay
[57:13.200 --> 57:14.200] Because I said
[57:14.200 --> 57:15.200] People fell for it
[57:15.200 --> 57:17.200] They fell for the trick
[57:17.200 --> 57:18.200] And so I would just
[57:18.200 --> 57:19.200] Caution all of you
[57:19.200 --> 57:20.200] Don't fall for it
[57:20.200 --> 57:21.200] Next time
[57:21.200 --> 57:22.200] Don't say
[57:22.200 --> 57:23.200] Because every time
[57:23.200 --> 57:24.200] They do
[57:24.200 --> 57:25.200] One of these
[57:25.200 --> 57:26.200] Big brother initiatives
[57:26.200 --> 57:27.200] They always leave
[57:27.200 --> 57:28.200] A big hole
[57:28.200 --> 57:29.200] They'll leave a big
[57:29.200 --> 57:30.200] Gaping
[57:30.200 --> 57:31.200] Glaring target
[57:31.200 --> 57:32.200] And then everybody
[57:32.200 --> 57:33.200] Kind of stupidly
[57:33.200 --> 57:34.200] Aims at the target
[57:34.200 --> 57:35.200] And then they
[57:35.200 --> 57:36.200] Fix that
[57:36.200 --> 57:37.200] Because they plan
[57:37.200 --> 57:38.200] To fix it anyway
[57:38.200 --> 57:39.200] Because it's just
[57:39.200 --> 57:40.200] Some lame thing
[57:40.200 --> 57:41.200] That is easy to fix
[57:41.200 --> 57:42.200] And then once they
[57:42.200 --> 57:43.200] Fix it
[57:43.200 --> 57:44.200] Then they say
[57:44.200 --> 57:45.200] Okay well you know
[57:45.200 --> 57:46.200] 98% of our comments
[57:46.200 --> 57:47.200] Came in
[57:47.200 --> 57:48.200] Complaining about this
[57:48.200 --> 57:49.200] We fixed it
[57:49.200 --> 57:50.200] We're done
[57:50.200 --> 57:51.200] So you know
[57:51.200 --> 57:52.200] We fixed it
[57:52.200 --> 57:53.200] And they
[57:53.200 --> 57:54.200] Quote unquote
[57:54.200 --> 57:55.200] Fixed it
[57:55.200 --> 57:56.200] As a result
[57:56.200 --> 57:57.200] The RFID tag
[57:57.200 --> 57:58.200] In your passport
[57:58.200 --> 57:59.200] Is among
[57:59.200 --> 58:00.200] The most secure
[58:00.200 --> 58:01.200] RFID applications
[58:01.200 --> 58:02.200] There are out there
[58:02.200 --> 58:03.200] Today
[58:03.200 --> 58:04.200] Wonderful
[58:04.200 --> 58:05.200] Well yeah
[58:05.200 --> 58:06.200] I know it doesn't
[58:06.200 --> 58:07.200] Make you feel
[58:07.200 --> 58:08.200] It just warms
[58:08.200 --> 58:09.200] Warms the cockles
[58:09.200 --> 58:10.200] Of your heart
[58:10.200 --> 58:11.200] I know
[58:11.200 --> 58:12.200] Warms your heart
[58:12.200 --> 58:13.200] Yeah
[58:13.200 --> 58:14.200] I know Debra
[58:14.200 --> 58:15.200] You're feeling so good
[58:15.200 --> 58:16.200] I want to go out
[58:16.200 --> 58:17.200] And get one right now
[58:17.200 --> 58:18.200] I know
[58:18.200 --> 58:19.200] They did put
[58:19.200 --> 58:20.200] Encryption on it
[58:20.200 --> 58:21.200] Which only has
[58:21.200 --> 58:22.200] A read range of
[58:22.200 --> 58:23.200] A couple of inches
[58:23.200 --> 58:24.200] Maybe a foot
[58:24.200 --> 58:25.200] But it's not
[58:25.200 --> 58:26.200] Going to be
[58:26.200 --> 58:27.200] Read from across
[58:27.200 --> 58:28.200] The street
[58:28.200 --> 58:29.200] So that
[58:29.200 --> 58:30.200] You know
[58:30.200 --> 58:31.200] From a tracking
[58:31.200 --> 58:32.200] Perspective
[58:32.200 --> 58:33.200] Your passport
[58:33.200 --> 58:34.200] Is probably not
[58:34.200 --> 58:35.200] A huge concern
[58:35.200 --> 58:36.200] I probably
[58:36.200 --> 58:37.200] You know
[58:37.200 --> 58:38.200] If I had a passport
[58:38.200 --> 58:39.200] With a tag in it
[58:39.200 --> 58:40.200] You know
[58:40.200 --> 58:41.200] My passport tag
[58:41.200 --> 58:42.200] Would probably meet
[58:42.200 --> 58:43.200] With an unfortunate accident
[58:43.200 --> 58:44.200] And the heel of my boot
[58:44.200 --> 58:45.200] Or something
[58:45.200 --> 58:46.200] But you know
[58:46.200 --> 58:47.200] I probably wouldn't
[58:47.200 --> 58:48.200] Want it functioning
[58:48.200 --> 58:49.200] In there
[58:49.200 --> 58:50.200] I would be
[58:50.200 --> 58:51.200] Concerned about it
[58:51.200 --> 58:52.200] From a tracking
[58:52.200 --> 58:53.200] Perspective
[58:53.200 --> 58:54.200] From a civil liberties
[58:54.200 --> 58:55.200] Privacy
[58:55.200 --> 58:56.200] Moral perspective
[58:56.200 --> 58:57.200] I'd have massive problems
[58:57.200 --> 58:58.200] With it
[58:58.200 --> 58:59.200] Absolutely
[58:59.200 --> 59:00.200] All right
[59:00.200 --> 59:01.200] Catherine
[59:01.200 --> 59:02.200] We're at the top of the hour
[59:02.200 --> 59:03.200] Do you want to speak
[59:03.200 --> 59:04.200] Any more on the other side?
[59:04.200 --> 59:05.200] Yeah
[59:05.200 --> 59:06.200] Let me talk about
[59:06.200 --> 59:07.200] What's going on
[59:07.200 --> 59:08.200] In San Marcos
[59:08.200 --> 59:09.200] When we come back
[59:09.200 --> 59:10.200] Okay, okay
[59:10.200 --> 59:11.200] Excellent, excellent
[59:11.200 --> 59:12.200] All right
[59:12.200 --> 59:13.200] Dr. Albrecht has agreed
[59:13.200 --> 59:14.200] To stay into the second hour
[59:14.200 --> 59:15.200] And we will take her
[59:15.200 --> 59:16.200] Calls after that
[59:16.200 --> 59:17.200] But we really want to
[59:17.200 --> 59:18.200] Give her the floor
[59:18.200 --> 59:19.200] To make the second calls
[59:19.200 --> 59:20.200] I see Dan from Connecticut
[59:20.200 --> 59:21.200] Up there
[59:21.200 --> 59:22.200] Dan, we'll take your call
[59:22.200 --> 59:23.200] After Dr. Albrecht is done
[59:23.200 --> 59:24.200] We'll be right back
[59:24.200 --> 59:25.200] This is the rule of law
[59:25.200 --> 59:26.200] Randy Kelton
[59:26.200 --> 59:27.200] Deborah Stevens
[59:27.200 --> 59:28.200] And Dr. Catherine Albrecht
[59:28.200 --> 59:29.200] We'll be right back
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[01:00:52.200 --> 01:00:53.200] We know the official story
[01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:54.200] Is impossible
[01:00:54.200 --> 01:00:55.200] So we set about
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[01:00:58.200 --> 01:00:59.200] All right, we're just
[01:00:59.200 --> 01:01:00.200] Searching for the truth
[01:01:00.200 --> 01:01:01.200] Because so far
[01:01:01.200 --> 01:01:02.200] We've been truthless
[01:01:02.200 --> 01:01:03.200] You don't mean to be
[01:01:03.200 --> 01:01:04.200] Ruthless
[01:01:04.200 --> 01:01:05.200] I do
[01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:06.200] It wasn't
[01:01:06.200 --> 01:01:07.200] Ten-second freefall
[01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:08.200] That's what I saw
[01:01:08.200 --> 01:01:09.200] That's what you saw
[01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:15.200] That's what everybody saw
[01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:16.200] Ten-second freefall
[01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:17.200] Official story
[01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:18.200] Don't make a little
[01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:19.200] Sense at all
[01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:20.200] It wasn't
[01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:21.200] Ten-second freefall
[01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:22.200] It was controlled
[01:01:22.200 --> 01:01:23.200] Demolition
[01:01:23.200 --> 01:01:24.200] It was controlled
[01:01:24.200 --> 01:01:25.200] Demolition
[01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:26.200] Concrete engine
[01:01:26.200 --> 01:01:27.200] Fine dust
[01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:28.200] That's a hell
[01:01:28.200 --> 01:01:29.200] Of a transition
[01:01:29.200 --> 01:01:30.200] From controlled
[01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:31.200] Demolition
[01:01:31.200 --> 01:01:32.200] From controlled
[01:01:32.200 --> 01:01:33.200] Demolition
[01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:34.200] From controlled
[01:01:34.200 --> 01:01:35.200] Demolition
[01:01:35.200 --> 01:01:36.200] From controlled
[01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:37.200] Demolition
[01:01:37.200 --> 01:01:39.200] From controlled
[01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:40.200] Demolition
[01:01:40.200 --> 01:01:41.200] They believe in
[01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:42.200] Fairytales
[01:01:42.200 --> 01:01:43.200] And the 9-1-1
[01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:44.200] Commission
[01:01:44.200 --> 01:01:45.200] But not
[01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:46.200] Controlled
[01:01:46.200 --> 01:01:47.200] Demolition
[01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:48.200] A lot of them
[01:01:48.200 --> 01:01:49.200] Just ignore that
[01:01:49.200 --> 01:01:50.200] Idiot
[01:01:50.200 --> 01:01:51.200] Assist to assist
[01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:52.200] Concrete to dust
[01:01:52.200 --> 01:01:53.200] Twin tower
[01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:54.200] Fall down
[01:01:54.200 --> 01:01:55.200] In front of us
[01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:56.200] The beam
[01:01:56.200 --> 01:01:57.200] Them youngies
[01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:58.200] In the building
[01:01:58.200 --> 01:01:59.200] You see
[01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:00.200] Twin tower
[01:02:00.200 --> 01:02:01.200] Should stand up
[01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:02.200] And not take it
[01:02:02.200 --> 01:02:03.200] Easily
[01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:04.200] Man needs a drill
[01:02:04.200 --> 01:02:05.200] And no money
[01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:06.200] Men how we
[01:02:06.200 --> 01:02:07.200] The paper
[01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:08.200] Demolition
[01:02:08.200 --> 01:02:09.200] I ain't no rocket scientist
[01:02:09.200 --> 01:02:10.200] I am
[01:02:10.200 --> 01:02:11.200] But I got two good eyes
[01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:12.200] And I can see
[01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:13.200] Right through your tricks
[01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:14.200] I ain't no rocket scientist
[01:02:14.200 --> 01:02:15.200] You can't change
[01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:16.200] The laws of nature
[01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:17.200] You can't change
[01:02:17.200 --> 01:02:18.200] The laws of physics
[01:02:18.200 --> 01:02:19.200] I don't need to be
[01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:20.200] A rocket scientist
[01:02:20.200 --> 01:02:21.200] Professor Stephen Jones
[01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:22.200] He has a doctorate
[01:02:22.200 --> 01:02:23.200] In physics
[01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:24.200] And he has now
[01:02:24.200 --> 01:02:25.200] Gotten samples
[01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:26.200] They've taken the samples
[01:02:26.200 --> 01:02:27.200] They've done
[01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:28.200] Scientific tests
[01:02:28.200 --> 01:02:29.200] On them
[01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:30.200] Professor Jones
[01:02:30.200 --> 01:02:31.200] He has a doctorate
[01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:32.200] In physics
[01:02:32.200 --> 01:02:33.200] And he has now
[01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:34.200] Gotten samples
[01:02:34.200 --> 01:02:35.200] They've taken the samples
[01:02:35.200 --> 01:02:36.200] They've done
[01:02:36.200 --> 01:02:37.200] Scientific tests
[01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:38.200] On them
[01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:39.200] Professor Jones
[01:02:39.200 --> 01:02:40.200] He has a doctorate
[01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:41.200] In physics
[01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:42.200] And he has now
[01:02:42.200 --> 01:02:43.200] Gotten samples
[01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:44.200] They've taken the samples
[01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:45.200] They've done
[01:02:45.200 --> 01:02:46.200] Scientific tests
[01:02:46.200 --> 01:02:47.200] On them
[01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:48.200] Professor Jones
[01:02:48.200 --> 01:02:49.200] He has a doctorate
[01:02:49.200 --> 01:02:50.200] In physics
[01:02:50.200 --> 01:02:51.200] And he has now
[01:02:51.200 --> 01:02:52.200] Gotten samples
[01:02:52.200 --> 01:02:53.200] They've taken the samples
[01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:54.200] They've done
[01:02:54.200 --> 01:02:55.200] Scientific tests
[01:02:55.200 --> 01:02:56.200] On them
[01:02:56.200 --> 01:02:57.200] Professor Jones
[01:02:57.200 --> 01:02:58.200] He has now
[01:02:58.200 --> 01:02:59.200] Gotten samples
[01:02:59.200 --> 01:03:00.200] They've taken the samples
[01:03:00.200 --> 01:03:01.200] They've done
[01:03:01.200 --> 01:03:02.200] Scientific tests
[01:03:02.200 --> 01:03:03.200] On them
[01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:04.200] Professor Jones
[01:03:04.200 --> 01:03:06.200] Yes, why don't you tell us the problem?
[01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:10.200] Yeah, so I was rather surprised when we did the analysis,
[01:03:10.200 --> 01:03:12.200] was the amount of sulfur.
[01:03:12.200 --> 01:03:16.200] And the sulfur added to thermite, it's called thermite,
[01:03:16.200 --> 01:03:19.200] and that is used specifically to cut through steel.
[01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:21.200] I mean, when you put sulfur in thermite,
[01:03:21.200 --> 01:03:23.200] whammo, that's like a hot knife through butter.
[01:03:23.200 --> 01:03:25.200] Control demolition,
[01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:27.200] fool most of the world
[01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:29.200] with a few well-placed munitions.
[01:03:29.200 --> 01:03:31.200] Police saying bombs are going off.
[01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:32.200] Control demolition,
[01:03:32.200 --> 01:03:36.200] all because one world government wants to come to its fruition.
[01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:39.200] They did control demolition.
[01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:42.200] 6.5 section, collapse of Building 7.
[01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:44.200] Search on Building 7,
[01:03:44.200 --> 01:03:46.200] and it might turn out that it's your own...
[01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:49.200] Alright, research on Building 7,
[01:03:49.200 --> 01:03:51.200] but don't Google Building 7 now.
[01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:53.200] Use Ixquick.
[01:03:53.200 --> 01:03:56.200] We will be talking about that in a few minutes.
[01:03:56.200 --> 01:04:00.200] Dr. Albert has agreed to stay on this segment
[01:04:00.200 --> 01:04:04.200] to discuss basically just, again, what's going on in San Marcos
[01:04:04.200 --> 01:04:06.200] and make the announcement of when she's going to be there
[01:04:06.200 --> 01:04:07.200] and Brave New Books and everything,
[01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:09.200] and also talk about the evils of Google.
[01:04:09.200 --> 01:04:12.200] So please continue, Dr. Albert.
[01:04:12.200 --> 01:04:14.200] Yeah, well, the thing that...
[01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:17.200] There's so many different issues on the RFID front
[01:04:17.200 --> 01:04:20.200] that we're getting kind of assaulted on every side.
[01:04:20.200 --> 01:04:22.200] A couple of things that people can do right off the bat
[01:04:22.200 --> 01:04:26.200] to keep the RFID menace to a minimum in their own lives.
[01:04:26.200 --> 01:04:30.200] One of them, stay away from any form of contact list
[01:04:30.200 --> 01:04:34.200] or swipe list or pay pass credit cards or ATM cards.
[01:04:34.200 --> 01:04:37.200] You may have seen these ads where the guy is like...
[01:04:37.200 --> 01:04:40.200] One of them I saw, the guy is swooping down
[01:04:40.200 --> 01:04:42.200] the equivalent of like a water slide,
[01:04:42.200 --> 01:04:45.200] and as he slides on by, swoop, swoop, swoop,
[01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:48.200] he's holding out his credit card in his hand,
[01:04:48.200 --> 01:04:50.200] and as he zips by certain...
[01:04:50.200 --> 01:04:53.200] You know, he's literally going super fast in this water slide,
[01:04:53.200 --> 01:04:56.200] but as he holds his credit card out,
[01:04:56.200 --> 01:04:58.200] it gets automatically read as he zips on by,
[01:04:58.200 --> 01:05:01.200] and then they hand him drinks or hand him a soda
[01:05:01.200 --> 01:05:04.200] or, you know, hand him a sandwich or whatever.
[01:05:04.200 --> 01:05:09.200] That whole technology of the quickly zip by the payment location
[01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:11.200] with a credit card in your hand
[01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:13.200] probably ought to be giving chills to the people
[01:05:13.200 --> 01:05:16.200] we talked about earlier who are concerned about the Mark of the Beast,
[01:05:16.200 --> 01:05:19.200] because, you know, you're literally like just a step away
[01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:22.200] from sticking that payment instrument into your hand.
[01:05:22.200 --> 01:05:27.200] But that's a technology that's been issued now to probably close to,
[01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:31.200] you know, probably we're coming up on 100 million Americans right now
[01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:36.200] that have been issued some form of PayPass or RFID swipeless credit card.
[01:05:36.200 --> 01:05:39.200] So that's probably the place where you're most at risk
[01:05:39.200 --> 01:05:42.200] is in your credit card or your ATM card,
[01:05:42.200 --> 01:05:45.200] and you can find that out by just, you know, pull out your wallet,
[01:05:45.200 --> 01:05:47.200] go through your credit card,
[01:05:47.200 --> 01:05:52.200] or any kind of symbol on the credit card itself
[01:05:52.200 --> 01:05:57.200] that either says PayPass or swipeless or wave and go
[01:05:57.200 --> 01:06:03.200] or it may have a picture of what looks like a couple of nested letter Cs,
[01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:06.200] you know, like the radio wave symbol where it's like a big C
[01:06:06.200 --> 01:06:08.200] and inside it's a little C and then a little C
[01:06:08.200 --> 01:06:10.200] where it looks like kind of waves coming out.
[01:06:10.200 --> 01:06:12.200] If you see any of that on the credit card,
[01:06:12.200 --> 01:06:15.200] then you're carrying an RFID tag,
[01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:19.200] and that RFID tag has a read range that if you walk through a doorway
[01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:20.200] equipped with a scanner,
[01:06:20.200 --> 01:06:23.200] it can read that card right through your pocket,
[01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:25.200] your wallet, your purse, or your backpack
[01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:28.200] without your knowledge, silently, stealthily.
[01:06:28.200 --> 01:06:33.200] And when University of Massachusetts researchers investigated those credit cards,
[01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:35.200] they found no encryption on them.
[01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:38.200] So an identity thief would simply have to walk near you
[01:06:38.200 --> 01:06:40.200] or a government agent for that matter,
[01:06:40.200 --> 01:06:44.200] would simply have to walk near you with an RFID reader in order to identify you.
[01:06:44.200 --> 01:06:47.200] And where this might be a problem is if you went to some kind of
[01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:49.200] First Amendment protected activity,
[01:06:49.200 --> 01:06:52.200] depending on your politics, it might be a gun show,
[01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:53.200] it might be a peace rally,
[01:06:53.200 --> 01:06:57.200] it might be an anti-abortion or a pro-choice rally, whatever it might be.
[01:06:57.200 --> 01:07:02.200] And if you're there, you kind of today have the reassurance
[01:07:02.200 --> 01:07:06.200] or the security of knowing that nobody knows who the heck you are.
[01:07:06.200 --> 01:07:08.200] You're one in a thousand people out there in a crowd
[01:07:08.200 --> 01:07:11.200] or one in 500,000 people in a crowd objecting to something.
[01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:15.200] Well, if you're carrying one of these credit cards in your wallet,
[01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:19.200] all it takes is for some Homeland Security or FBI agent
[01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:22.200] to walk through the crowd with a reader in his backpack,
[01:07:22.200 --> 01:07:24.200] and voila, you're no longer anonymous.
[01:07:24.200 --> 01:07:29.200] He now knows exactly who you are and who 10,000 of your closest friends are,
[01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:32.200] and then you wind up in some sort of a watch list.
[01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:35.200] So that's a serious problem, I would say, to everybody,
[01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:38.200] and it always blows my mind because I do a lot of talks.
[01:07:38.200 --> 01:07:41.200] And when I talk to people about this, all that people,
[01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:44.200] I cannot even believe this, and hopefully your listeners are not like this,
[01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:47.200] but all that people in the audience come up to me,
[01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:49.200] they'll raise their hand and go,
[01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:52.200] Dr. Albrecht, do you mean like this?
[01:07:52.200 --> 01:07:55.200] And they'll pull out a credit card, and it'll clearly say,
[01:07:55.200 --> 01:08:01.200] pay pass, swipe list, it'll have the big CCC symbol on it with the little waves,
[01:08:01.200 --> 01:08:04.200] and I'll say, yikes, get that thing away from me, that's an RFID tag.
[01:08:04.200 --> 01:08:06.200] And they'll go, oh, well, what a drag,
[01:08:06.200 --> 01:08:09.200] and then they'll stick it right back into their wallet.
[01:08:09.200 --> 01:08:10.200] Oh, boy.
[01:08:10.200 --> 01:08:13.200] And then I'll say, well, do you plan on getting rid of that?
[01:08:13.200 --> 01:08:17.200] Well, no, that's my credit card, I need that.
[01:08:17.200 --> 01:08:20.200] So it's like on the one hand, people are upset,
[01:08:20.200 --> 01:08:25.200] but on the other hand, they're like, oh, well, same with the toll transponders.
[01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:28.200] The RFID tags, people stick on their cars.
[01:08:28.200 --> 01:08:32.200] I'm like, do you realize that that's a remotely readable RFID spy chip
[01:08:32.200 --> 01:08:34.200] and that they're actually using it as a spy chip
[01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:37.200] to track people miles from the toll booth?
[01:08:37.200 --> 01:08:39.200] And people say, oh, that's terrible.
[01:08:39.200 --> 01:08:44.200] And yet, I'll never forget, I go to give this big speech on RFID,
[01:08:44.200 --> 01:08:46.200] and I won't mention what church this is,
[01:08:46.200 --> 01:08:48.200] but I was picked up by the people from the church.
[01:08:48.200 --> 01:08:52.200] And this is kind of a well-known church.
[01:08:52.200 --> 01:09:00.200] And the pastor who does a radio show, who's pretty famous for doing this radio show,
[01:09:00.200 --> 01:09:04.200] picks me up at the airport to go and deliver this speech on RFID.
[01:09:04.200 --> 01:09:10.200] And as we're in the car heading back to the hotel, he's zipping through the toll.
[01:09:10.200 --> 01:09:13.200] And I look at the windshield of this van that I'm in,
[01:09:13.200 --> 01:09:16.200] and there's the darn toll transponder.
[01:09:16.200 --> 01:09:20.200] And you're on the way to give a speech about the evils of RFID.
[01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:23.200] And this is someone who fully knows better.
[01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:27.200] So I can't quite figure out what's going on, where people really get it,
[01:09:27.200 --> 01:09:32.200] and yet there's like some resistance to doing anything about it.
[01:09:32.200 --> 01:09:37.200] Now, I can't be a total hypocrite here, and this is where I want to bring up Google.
[01:09:37.200 --> 01:09:42.200] For two years, a year and a half, when we were both on We the People Radio Network
[01:09:42.200 --> 01:09:45.200] broadcasting together there, along with all the other great,
[01:09:45.200 --> 01:09:49.200] talented, freedom-loving broadcasters on that network,
[01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:52.200] during that whole time, I would periodically in my show,
[01:09:52.200 --> 01:09:54.200] I'd say, well, you know, just log on and Google blah, blah, blah,
[01:09:54.200 --> 01:09:56.200] or just log on and Google the other thing.
[01:09:56.200 --> 01:09:59.200] And you know, well, if you Google this term, blah, blah, blah.
[01:09:59.200 --> 01:10:03.200] And I would occasionally have astute listeners call me up and say,
[01:10:03.200 --> 01:10:07.200] yo, Catherine, what's up with you and Google?
[01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:10.200] You know, Google's evil. They're recording all your searches.
[01:10:10.200 --> 01:10:12.200] Why are you using it?
[01:10:12.200 --> 01:10:14.200] And I'd be like, I know, I know, it's terrible.
[01:10:14.200 --> 01:10:17.200] Well, you know, I boycott Walmart. I boycott Procter & Gamble.
[01:10:17.200 --> 01:10:19.200] You won't find a single product by them anywhere in my home,
[01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:22.200] which is a big deal trying to root them out.
[01:10:22.200 --> 01:10:26.200] I'm very conscientious about everything else I do,
[01:10:26.200 --> 01:10:30.200] but Google was like my blind spot. I could not give them up.
[01:10:30.200 --> 01:10:35.200] And I just, you know, I need them. They're such a part of my life.
[01:10:35.200 --> 01:10:37.200] The service that they offer is so valuable.
[01:10:37.200 --> 01:10:40.200] I just could not stop using Google.
[01:10:40.200 --> 01:10:42.200] And here's the final straw.
[01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:45.200] I'll talk you through this little experience that I had.
[01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:48.200] So come November of last year, a couple months ago,
[01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:51.200] I get a phone call from Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie,
[01:10:51.200 --> 01:10:54.200] this late night radio show with millions of listeners.
[01:10:54.200 --> 01:10:57.200] And he says, you know, Catherine is actually his producer,
[01:10:57.200 --> 01:11:01.200] Hey Catherine, there's this big Google privacy story out today.
[01:11:01.200 --> 01:11:03.200] We want you to look at it. Here's the link.
[01:11:03.200 --> 01:11:05.200] And can you come on the show tonight
[01:11:05.200 --> 01:11:08.200] and recommend an alternative search engine to Google?
[01:11:08.200 --> 01:11:10.200] And I'm like, sure, I could do that.
[01:11:10.200 --> 01:11:13.200] I've been on that show like 20, 20 plus times.
[01:11:13.200 --> 01:11:15.200] So I read the story. The story was horrible.
[01:11:15.200 --> 01:11:17.200] I'll tell it to you in a second.
[01:11:17.200 --> 01:11:21.200] And then the day researching trying to find an alternative to Google.
[01:11:21.200 --> 01:11:26.200] Well, here was the story. Google, this is so awful.
[01:11:26.200 --> 01:11:30.200] So every time you log on to Google, they know your IP address
[01:11:30.200 --> 01:11:33.200] from which they can deduce your location and your identity,
[01:11:33.200 --> 01:11:36.200] especially if you use Gmail or any other Google service
[01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:38.200] that actually identifies you.
[01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:42.200] So when you log on to Google and you type in certain searches,
[01:11:42.200 --> 01:11:45.200] they actually have flagged certain searches
[01:11:45.200 --> 01:11:49.200] for like further inquiry or more recording or whatever.
[01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:53.200] And what they did was they flagged any time you would log on
[01:11:53.200 --> 01:11:55.200] or anybody would log on and search for things
[01:11:55.200 --> 01:12:00.200] that might be related to sickness like thermometer, flu, coughing,
[01:12:00.200 --> 01:12:03.200] congestion, fever, whatever.
[01:12:03.200 --> 01:12:07.200] And so if you logged on or anybody in the US or really anywhere,
[01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:09.200] if they logged on and typed in those search terms,
[01:12:09.200 --> 01:12:12.200] then a little, they would track down your IP address
[01:12:12.200 --> 01:12:16.200] and they'd put a little red dot on a map corresponding to you.
[01:12:16.200 --> 01:12:20.200] And if lots of people in your community were logging on,
[01:12:20.200 --> 01:12:26.200] fever, flu, whatever, and the red dot started to look like kind of an outbreak,
[01:12:26.200 --> 01:12:29.200] then they would report that to the Centers for Disease Control.
[01:12:29.200 --> 01:12:30.200] Oh, man.
[01:12:30.200 --> 01:12:33.200] I know, I know, just like whoa.
[01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:37.200] So here we are thinking we're just searching for something for our own benefit
[01:12:37.200 --> 01:12:41.200] when in reality they're looking over your shoulder at all your searches
[01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:44.200] and they're logging them and they're data mining them
[01:12:44.200 --> 01:12:46.200] and they're processing them and slicing and dicing them.
[01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:48.200] And reporting to the government too.
[01:12:48.200 --> 01:12:50.200] That's the thing, right?
[01:12:50.200 --> 01:12:54.200] So they created this thing called the Google Flu Map
[01:12:54.200 --> 01:12:56.200] and they shared it with the CDC.
[01:12:56.200 --> 01:12:59.200] Now, granted they made a big deal, oh, this doesn't invade your privacy
[01:12:59.200 --> 01:13:02.200] because we did not tell the CDC who any of these people were.
[01:13:02.200 --> 01:13:03.200] But you know what?
[01:13:03.200 --> 01:13:05.200] They could have really easily.
[01:13:05.200 --> 01:13:09.200] And so I've got to say to myself as someone who, you know, you and I
[01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:13.200] as listeners, we all know that the searches that we conduct
[01:13:13.200 --> 01:13:16.200] are probably not the kinds of things that Homeland Security would be,
[01:13:16.200 --> 01:13:19.200] you know, rah-rah loving us for.
[01:13:19.200 --> 01:13:21.200] You know, we're not the big, oh, I love Obama,
[01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:24.200] find me the website for the Obama teddy bear kind of people.
[01:13:24.200 --> 01:13:26.200] You know, we're logging on going, well, tell me about, you know,
[01:13:26.200 --> 01:13:29.200] mercury in our fillings and tell me about fluoride in the water
[01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:34.200] and tell me about Madoff and his connection with the CFR.
[01:13:34.200 --> 01:13:36.200] That's the kind of stuff we're looking for.
[01:13:36.200 --> 01:13:40.200] So what would it take, really, technologically speaking,
[01:13:40.200 --> 01:13:43.200] for Google to say, hey, listen, anybody who looks up guns
[01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:46.200] or anybody who looks up Ron Paul
[01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:48.200] or anybody who looks up political corruption,
[01:13:48.200 --> 01:13:51.200] you just put a little red dot right there.
[01:13:51.200 --> 01:13:53.200] And we want to know where the communities are
[01:13:53.200 --> 01:13:56.200] where there's lots of kind of this underground,
[01:13:56.200 --> 01:13:59.200] this patriot underground unrest.
[01:13:59.200 --> 01:14:03.200] And we want to identify those locations and share them with the FBI
[01:14:03.200 --> 01:14:06.200] or who the heck ever is investigating, you know,
[01:14:06.200 --> 01:14:09.200] freedom-loving, law-abiding American citizens.
[01:14:09.200 --> 01:14:12.200] And, you know, we want to know where they are.
[01:14:12.200 --> 01:14:15.200] And then we want all their IP addresses and their names.
[01:14:15.200 --> 01:14:17.200] You know, Google could turn that over to them
[01:14:17.200 --> 01:14:20.200] within a matter of hours, hours, my friends.
[01:14:20.200 --> 01:14:24.200] So what we don't realize, not only has Google become
[01:14:24.200 --> 01:14:26.200] the biggest search engine in the world,
[01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:31.200] but it is the biggest data collector on Earth right now.
[01:14:31.200 --> 01:14:33.200] Google, see, the reason you can log on there
[01:14:33.200 --> 01:14:35.200] and you can look up like restaurants in Phoenix
[01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:37.200] or apple pie recipes and they'll give you back
[01:14:37.200 --> 01:14:39.200] every possible thing that's known about either one
[01:14:39.200 --> 01:14:42.200] is because they are information scavengers.
[01:14:42.200 --> 01:14:46.200] They're hounds. They're obsessed with collecting information.
[01:14:46.200 --> 01:14:48.200] And it's not just restaurants in Phoenix
[01:14:48.200 --> 01:14:50.200] and apple pie they want to know about.
[01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:52.200] It's you and me and everybody else in this country
[01:14:52.200 --> 01:14:53.200] they want to know about.
[01:14:53.200 --> 01:14:55.200] That's why they're working on things like Street View
[01:14:55.200 --> 01:14:57.200] where they want to know what the front of your house looks like
[01:14:57.200 --> 01:14:59.200] and they drive around in the mobile van
[01:14:59.200 --> 01:15:01.200] and snap pictures of your home.
[01:15:01.200 --> 01:15:05.200] That's why they're creating this whole DNA database,
[01:15:05.200 --> 01:15:07.200] I kid you not, where they want to map
[01:15:07.200 --> 01:15:10.200] the chromosome pattern of every American.
[01:15:10.200 --> 01:15:12.200] Look it up if you don't believe me.
[01:15:12.200 --> 01:15:15.200] That's why they're all excited about this new stimulus package
[01:15:15.200 --> 01:15:19.200] that Obama just passed that includes billions of dollars
[01:15:19.200 --> 01:15:23.200] to create national electronic health records
[01:15:23.200 --> 01:15:26.200] for every American because Google wants to be the one
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:29.200] putting those records together and storing all your health records.
[01:15:29.200 --> 01:15:31.200] They want to know every time you went to the doctor
[01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:34.200] and every time you bought over-the-counter cold medicine
[01:15:34.200 --> 01:15:35.200] or you filled a prescription.
[01:15:35.200 --> 01:15:37.200] They want to put it all in a database.
[01:15:37.200 --> 01:15:40.200] That's why Google is cataloging every book ever written
[01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:43.200] because their ultimate goal is there will be no more books.
[01:15:43.200 --> 01:15:45.200] They will only be logging onto Google to read
[01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:48.200] and that way they can tell what you read and for how long.
[01:15:48.200 --> 01:15:50.200] I'm not kidding you.
[01:15:50.200 --> 01:15:52.200] So Google is like out of control.
[01:15:52.200 --> 01:15:54.200] What was their latest product they just offered?
[01:15:54.200 --> 01:15:56.200] Google Latitude.
[01:15:56.200 --> 01:15:59.200] Plug it into your cell phone and they'll be able to track
[01:15:59.200 --> 01:16:02.200] and monitor your location at any time.
[01:16:02.200 --> 01:16:04.200] And you could give it to your friends because won't that be fun
[01:16:04.200 --> 01:16:07.200] to have them know what street you're walking down at 3 p.m.?
[01:16:07.200 --> 01:16:09.200] Oh yeah, wouldn't that be fun?
[01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:12.200] Yeah, so here's the thing, people don't get,
[01:16:12.200 --> 01:16:14.200] see everybody thinks of Google as this one-way street
[01:16:14.200 --> 01:16:17.200] where they're providing you with this really useful service
[01:16:17.200 --> 01:16:20.200] and people are totally out to lunch within our movement
[01:16:20.200 --> 01:16:23.200] of understanding that that is the visible piece of ice
[01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:26.200] floating above an enormous iceberg down below
[01:16:26.200 --> 01:16:29.200] that is going to be like destroying the Titanic.
[01:16:29.200 --> 01:16:33.200] And if you believe that the government is on the verge
[01:16:33.200 --> 01:16:36.200] of nationalizing the banks and the automobile companies
[01:16:36.200 --> 01:16:38.200] and you name your major industry,
[01:16:38.200 --> 01:16:40.200] how long is it going to take before the government says
[01:16:40.200 --> 01:16:42.200] Google is too big to fail?
[01:16:42.200 --> 01:16:45.200] We need to bail out Google by nationalizing it.
[01:16:45.200 --> 01:16:47.200] It is not a stretch.
[01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:51.200] So Google is poised right now to put everybody else out of business.
[01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:53.200] It is poised right now.
[01:16:53.200 --> 01:16:55.200] They've got Google Maps and satellites that,
[01:16:55.200 --> 01:16:59.200] you know, law enforcement is not even using their own satellites anymore.
[01:16:59.200 --> 01:17:01.200] They're using Google satellites to do drug busts.
[01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:04.200] There was a big case over in Europe just a couple weeks ago
[01:17:04.200 --> 01:17:09.200] where the investigators didn't even bother with government satellites
[01:17:09.200 --> 01:17:11.200] because they weren't as powerful as Google's
[01:17:11.200 --> 01:17:15.200] and they perused Google satellite to find a big crop of marijuana
[01:17:15.200 --> 01:17:17.200] in somebody's backyard in some European country
[01:17:17.200 --> 01:17:19.200] and went in and busted them.
[01:17:19.200 --> 01:17:24.200] You know, you've got to realize Google is not about a convenient service to you.
[01:17:24.200 --> 01:17:28.200] When you search Google, you are not getting your search results.
[01:17:28.200 --> 01:17:31.200] You are giving them the contents of your brain.
[01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:33.200] And what I would challenge everybody to do,
[01:17:33.200 --> 01:17:36.200] just for the next, like, day or two, every single search you do,
[01:17:36.200 --> 01:17:38.200] try writing it down on a piece of paper.
[01:17:38.200 --> 01:17:40.200] You will note that they know the name of your doctor
[01:17:40.200 --> 01:17:42.200] because you were too lazy to get out the phone book
[01:17:42.200 --> 01:17:44.200] or get out your address book and look it up.
[01:17:44.200 --> 01:17:46.200] You just went on Google and said, you know, Dr. Joe Schmoe,
[01:17:46.200 --> 01:17:47.200] what's his phone number?
[01:17:47.200 --> 01:17:49.200] Oh, yeah, because I've got to call him and make an appointment.
[01:17:49.200 --> 01:17:52.200] They know the restaurant you ate at last Friday night
[01:17:52.200 --> 01:17:54.200] because you were too lazy to get out the phone book and look it up
[01:17:54.200 --> 01:17:57.200] because you went on Google and you looked it up to make a reservation.
[01:17:57.200 --> 01:18:00.200] They know when your kid stubbed his toe or got a fever.
[01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:02.200] They know your last medical diagnosis
[01:18:02.200 --> 01:18:04.200] because you spent an hour on there poking around
[01:18:04.200 --> 01:18:07.200] through every possible piece of information about that medical condition.
[01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:09.200] They know everything about you.
[01:18:09.200 --> 01:18:13.200] They know more about you than probably any other database on the Earth
[01:18:13.200 --> 01:18:15.200] and probably more about you than any person on the Earth
[01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:17.200] other than your own spouse.
[01:18:17.200 --> 01:18:21.200] So Google right now, I believe, is probably the biggest threat
[01:18:21.200 --> 01:18:23.200] to our liberties that we face
[01:18:23.200 --> 01:18:28.200] because they are amassing a dossier KGB style
[01:18:28.200 --> 01:18:30.200] on every person in this country.
[01:18:30.200 --> 01:18:32.200] And you cannot get them to erase it.
[01:18:32.200 --> 01:18:35.200] They will not delete their previous records on you.
[01:18:35.200 --> 01:18:41.200] Your only hope is to get out now and start switching to an alternative.
[01:18:41.200 --> 01:18:42.200] And I've got one for you.
[01:18:42.200 --> 01:18:46.200] Quick, that's the one I finally found after George Norrie
[01:18:46.200 --> 01:18:48.200] and Coast to Coast sent me on my big search.
[01:18:48.200 --> 01:18:53.200] I found a search engine over in Europe that is third-party certified
[01:18:53.200 --> 01:18:57.200] to not record any of your information.
[01:18:57.200 --> 01:18:59.200] They have no databases or dossiers on anybody.
[01:18:59.200 --> 01:19:01.200] They do not record your IP address.
[01:19:01.200 --> 01:19:04.200] They do not link up your identity with your searches.
[01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:08.200] There is no database whatsoever, captive information on you.
[01:19:08.200 --> 01:19:12.200] And their search results are about 90% as good as Google's.
[01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:14.200] They're not at 100%, but you know what?
[01:19:14.200 --> 01:19:15.200] That's okay.
[01:19:15.200 --> 01:19:17.200] Even if they were 10% as good as Google's,
[01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:18.200] I would be making the switch.
[01:19:18.200 --> 01:19:24.200] It's called ixquick, I-X-Q-U-I-C-K, ixquick.com.
[01:19:24.200 --> 01:19:28.200] And I am urging everybody to make the switch.
[01:19:28.200 --> 01:19:30.200] Pull that Google needle out of your arm
[01:19:30.200 --> 01:19:34.200] because of all the people who cannot afford to have these kind of dossiers
[01:19:34.200 --> 01:19:36.200] being made of the contents of our minds
[01:19:36.200 --> 01:19:39.200] and our politics and our activism and our everything else that we do.
[01:19:39.200 --> 01:19:40.200] It's this community.
[01:19:40.200 --> 01:19:44.200] We cannot afford to let these guys be watching over our shoulder anymore.
[01:19:44.200 --> 01:19:45.200] I agree, Katherine.
[01:19:45.200 --> 01:19:46.200] Absolutely.
[01:19:46.200 --> 01:19:47.200] Hear, hear.
[01:19:47.200 --> 01:19:50.200] And we have been using ixquick ourselves, Jerry and I,
[01:19:50.200 --> 01:19:55.200] for several months now, ever since we started hearing about it on the radio,
[01:19:55.200 --> 01:19:56.200] basically because of you.
[01:19:56.200 --> 01:19:59.200] We heard you talking about it on your show.
[01:19:59.200 --> 01:20:04.200] And I found ixquick to be pretty much just as good as Google.
[01:20:04.200 --> 01:20:10.200] Very occasionally, I'll be doing some searching for some technical stuff
[01:20:10.200 --> 01:20:14.200] like how to write certain macros or scripts or whatever
[01:20:14.200 --> 01:20:19.200] for my programming, the programming, the infrastructure for the network here.
[01:20:19.200 --> 01:20:23.200] And sometimes I'm not able to get, very rarely though,
[01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:26.200] but occasionally I'm not able to find what I need to find with ixquick,
[01:20:26.200 --> 01:20:28.200] and I'll have to break down and use Google.
[01:20:28.200 --> 01:20:31.200] But I'd say that's only happened maybe three or four times
[01:20:31.200 --> 01:20:32.200] in the last several months.
[01:20:32.200 --> 01:20:35.200] In my experience, in the several months that I've been using it,
[01:20:35.200 --> 01:20:36.200] it's been probably three or four times.
[01:20:36.200 --> 01:20:38.200] And even then when I have to use Google,
[01:20:38.200 --> 01:20:41.200] what I've done is I've gone to scroogle.org,
[01:20:41.200 --> 01:20:44.200] and the dot org part is crucial because if you don't go to the dot org part,
[01:20:44.200 --> 01:20:46.200] you'll get to a website you don't want to be seeing.
[01:20:46.200 --> 01:20:49.200] But scroogle, S-C-R-O-O-G-L-E dot org,
[01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:53.200] it's not as good as ixquick because they're actually using Google.
[01:20:53.200 --> 01:20:54.200] They're a proxy for Google.
[01:20:54.200 --> 01:20:59.200] But they will go into Google and grab Google results and feed them back to you.
[01:20:59.200 --> 01:21:02.200] And all Google sees is their IP address, not yours.
[01:21:02.200 --> 01:21:03.200] Right, right.
[01:21:03.200 --> 01:21:07.200] Now they don't have a privacy policy that's third party certified and all of that,
[01:21:07.200 --> 01:21:10.200] but I think they're operating from good motives.
[01:21:10.200 --> 01:21:14.200] So that's a backup plan if ixquick doesn't work for you.
[01:21:14.200 --> 01:21:19.200] But I've gone ahead and made ixquick into my home page on my laptop.
[01:21:19.200 --> 01:21:21.200] They have a button right there.
[01:21:21.200 --> 01:21:24.200] If you click on My Settings, and then you go to the menu there.
[01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:26.200] I'm trying to put it right on the home page.
[01:21:26.200 --> 01:21:28.200] But you can add it to your browser.
[01:21:28.200 --> 01:21:32.200] You just click the button and then boom, voila, there it is right up at the top of your tool bar.
[01:21:32.200 --> 01:21:36.200] And then you can use it instead of Google right there to do your searches on the fly.
[01:21:36.200 --> 01:21:42.200] Now I should point out what happened after I talked about them on Coast to Coast AM,
[01:21:42.200 --> 01:21:43.200] is I then had them on my show.
[01:21:43.200 --> 01:21:49.200] I had Robert Beans, their CEO, join me on my daily radio show on GCN.
[01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:51.200] We had an hour long conversation.
[01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:54.200] I was so in love with these guys that I talked about them on every show.
[01:21:54.200 --> 01:21:57.200] You know, dump Google, switch to ixquick, switch to ixquick.
[01:21:57.200 --> 01:22:01.200] And then I called them up and I said, you know, nobody seems to have heard of you in the US.
[01:22:01.200 --> 01:22:02.200] What the heck?
[01:22:02.200 --> 01:22:04.200] You know, don't you guys have like a marketing arm over there?
[01:22:04.200 --> 01:22:06.200] And they said, well, frankly, we don't.
[01:22:06.200 --> 01:22:07.200] And I said, well, you need one.
[01:22:07.200 --> 01:22:10.200] And then they said, well, could you do it?
[01:22:10.200 --> 01:22:15.200] So I'm actually now, I've become their media spokesperson in the US.
[01:22:15.200 --> 01:22:21.200] So I'm kind of the main person trying to figure out how to spread the word here.
[01:22:21.200 --> 01:22:24.200] And that's where I need you guys to kind of help me out.
[01:22:24.200 --> 01:22:27.200] Because I'm kind of new to this.
[01:22:27.200 --> 01:22:33.200] If we can get, you know, if you guys have ideas, we had a great email from Falcon there in Austin.
[01:22:33.200 --> 01:22:36.200] He was telling me he's a student at the university there.
[01:22:36.200 --> 01:22:40.200] He said he went into his classes early and he just wrote on the board.
[01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:43.200] You know, there's kind of a white board there that nobody in the room.
[01:22:43.200 --> 01:22:46.200] He wrote a Google with a circle and a line through it.
[01:22:46.200 --> 01:22:49.200] And then he just next to it wrote ixquick.com.
[01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:51.200] And he thought nobody's even going to notice that.
[01:22:51.200 --> 01:22:53.200] Well, he said halfway through the class he looks around.
[01:22:53.200 --> 01:22:57.200] And of course, everybody's got their laptop ostensibly to take notes on the lecture.
[01:22:57.200 --> 01:22:58.200] But they're all surfing the web.
[01:22:58.200 --> 01:23:01.200] And he looks around and like half the room is on ixquick.
[01:23:01.200 --> 01:23:03.200] That's great.
[01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:05.200] Yeah. And he said one guy, he actually got talking to one guy.
[01:23:05.200 --> 01:23:07.200] He's like, oh, I love the search engine. It's so great.
[01:23:07.200 --> 01:23:13.200] And he right there in front of him went up sending out an email out to like a hundred of his friends telling him to switch.
[01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:16.200] So I think this is going to be like an underground word of mouth thing.
[01:23:16.200 --> 01:23:17.200] Yeah. Gorilla marketing.
[01:23:17.200 --> 01:23:19.200] It's not a big budget to get it out there.
[01:23:19.200 --> 01:23:25.200] But my real belief on this is that we've got to support market alternatives.
[01:23:25.200 --> 01:23:31.200] Because if ixquick actually makes it and turns into a viable money making alternative to Google,
[01:23:31.200 --> 01:23:36.200] then you know, Deborah, as well as I do, government mandates on privacy.
[01:23:36.200 --> 01:23:39.200] You know, the big guys will just find loopholes around it.
[01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:44.200] But marketplace incentives to put privacy in action will actually be effective.
[01:23:44.200 --> 01:23:50.200] And if the other guys see that Google is losing market share because of their awful privacy practices
[01:23:50.200 --> 01:23:57.200] and ixquick is gaining market share, then other companies, you know, Yahoo and Dogpile and Glycos
[01:23:57.200 --> 01:24:00.200] and all these other companies that do search are going to go, yo, wait a minute.
[01:24:00.200 --> 01:24:03.200] Maybe there is money in this whole privacy thing.
[01:24:03.200 --> 01:24:06.200] And then they're going to start switching their policies to compete.
[01:24:06.200 --> 01:24:12.200] And next thing you know, you've got the market competing with itself to see who can be the most private.
[01:24:12.200 --> 01:24:16.200] And that is going to be the best protection we could ever have as consumers.
[01:24:16.200 --> 01:24:18.200] Yeah, free market all the way for sure.
[01:24:18.200 --> 01:24:21.200] That's right. I don't want the government mandating it because, you know,
[01:24:21.200 --> 01:24:25.200] then you'd get these crony deals and the lobbyists pulling their own little shenanigans.
[01:24:25.200 --> 01:24:27.200] And you know, that never leads to freedom.
[01:24:27.200 --> 01:24:30.200] But man, if the market could do it, we would be golden.
[01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:35.200] And so that's why I'm urging everybody, do me a favor, stick it in your signature bar.
[01:24:35.200 --> 01:24:38.200] You know, in your signature line, we've had a couple of people do that just in the last few days.
[01:24:38.200 --> 01:24:42.200] I just added it to mine today. It took me all this time to figure that out.
[01:24:42.200 --> 01:24:46.200] But you know, put it in your signature, make it your home page, add it to your tool bar,
[01:24:46.200 --> 01:24:50.200] send it to one of your closest friends, you know, make some YouTube videos about it,
[01:24:50.200 --> 01:24:53.200] write a song about it, do whatever you can do to help me out.
[01:24:53.200 --> 01:24:54.200] I'll be writing a song about it for sure.
[01:24:54.200 --> 01:24:57.200] I love it. I'd love it. It's a quick song. That'd be so great.
[01:24:57.200 --> 01:25:00.200] But you know, and we need to find other things like this.
[01:25:00.200 --> 01:25:03.200] The other question I keep getting asked, what are we supposed to use for email?
[01:25:03.200 --> 01:25:06.200] And I don't know. You know, tell me guys, what's the privacy email?
[01:25:06.200 --> 01:25:13.200] Well, here's what I use for email. I use server-based email for my personal email.
[01:25:13.200 --> 01:25:16.200] I do have a couple of hotmail accounts. I won't use Gmail.
[01:25:16.200 --> 01:25:20.200] I've never used Gmail because one time I went to try to register for Gmail,
[01:25:20.200 --> 01:25:22.200] and they insisted that I give them a telephone number.
[01:25:22.200 --> 01:25:25.200] And I was like, no, I'm not going to give anybody a telephone number.
[01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:28.200] They wouldn't let you give a phony number. I tried to use a phony number. It wouldn't work.
[01:25:28.200 --> 01:25:32.200] You know, there's some way of them being able to verify if it's a real number or not.
[01:25:32.200 --> 01:25:37.200] So I was like, forget it. And so I do have a couple of hotmail accounts, you know.
[01:25:37.200 --> 01:25:44.200] But mainly I use server-based email that is associated with my URL.
[01:25:44.200 --> 01:25:49.200] And I use Thunderbird to connect to it instead of like Outlook.
[01:25:49.200 --> 01:25:52.200] The app has server-based email too. And we actually host our own server.
[01:25:52.200 --> 01:25:54.200] So I'm in fine shape. I don't have to worry about it.
[01:25:54.200 --> 01:25:57.200] But a lot of people really are kind of stuck on that front.
[01:25:57.200 --> 01:26:04.200] I should point out for those of you using Gmail that I and a whole bunch of privacy advocates
[01:26:04.200 --> 01:26:08.200] back when Gmail was first introduced, we actually submitted a formal letter.
[01:26:08.200 --> 01:26:13.200] This is like Privacy Rights Clearinghouse and EFF and Epic and the ACLU.
[01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:17.200] We all got together and issued a joint letter against Google saying,
[01:26:17.200 --> 01:26:21.200] yo, we are not pleased with your privacy policy because, get this,
[01:26:21.200 --> 01:26:25.200] every email that you receive or send via Gmail is scanned.
[01:26:25.200 --> 01:26:31.200] The contents are actually scanned by a program that looks for keywords.
[01:26:31.200 --> 01:26:34.200] And see, all this stuff right now is driven by market interest.
[01:26:34.200 --> 01:26:36.200] They want to make money off of it.
[01:26:36.200 --> 01:26:40.200] They're scanning it to try to see if they can insert some advertisements.
[01:26:40.200 --> 01:26:46.200] So for example, if they see the word vacation and Jamaica in the same email,
[01:26:46.200 --> 01:26:50.200] then the next time you log on to Google, for example, to do a search,
[01:26:50.200 --> 01:26:53.200] you may get an ad pop up for resorts in Jamaica.
[01:26:53.200 --> 01:26:57.200] Oh yeah, because see, it's like a big family of services.
[01:26:57.200 --> 01:27:02.200] You go onto Google Maps and you're looking for the route from Philadelphia to Boston or whatever.
[01:27:02.200 --> 01:27:06.200] And next thing you know, on that page there's an ad for some restaurant in Jamaica
[01:27:06.200 --> 01:27:11.200] or some travel agent that can get you a discount airfare to Jamaica.
[01:27:11.200 --> 01:27:14.200] And you're like, how the hell do they know that I'm planning on going to Jamaica?
[01:27:14.200 --> 01:27:17.200] Well, it's because they're scanning your email.
[01:27:17.200 --> 01:27:22.200] Now, they promise you there's no privacy problems because no human ever sees it.
[01:27:22.200 --> 01:27:24.200] It's all automated. It's all computers.
[01:27:24.200 --> 01:27:30.200] But again, just like I was saying on the searches, all it takes is for Obama or Homeland Security
[01:27:30.200 --> 01:27:37.200] or whoever to go knock, knock, knock, hey Google, everybody who contains the words Ron Paul in their email,
[01:27:37.200 --> 01:27:42.200] just shoot us all of those emails and all of their names and addresses and information.
[01:27:42.200 --> 01:27:46.200] So if you're using Gmail, you need to realize that there is a machine right now
[01:27:46.200 --> 01:27:49.200] looking over your shoulder at every single word you type into Gmail.
[01:27:49.200 --> 01:27:51.200] And it gets worse.
[01:27:51.200 --> 01:27:57.200] If you have a Gmail account, see they've got a policy now where anywhere from 9 to 18 months
[01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:00.200] after you do your searches, they're supposed to erase them.
[01:28:00.200 --> 01:28:05.200] They actually don't erase them. They erase some digits of your IP address
[01:28:05.200 --> 01:28:09.200] which can kind of easily be recreated, which is its own problem.
[01:28:09.200 --> 01:28:10.200] We could talk about it on a different show.
[01:28:10.200 --> 01:28:15.200] But anyway, they make a claim that they will delete your information, right?
[01:28:15.200 --> 01:28:21.200] Unless, here's the fine print, unless you have a Gmail account or other services with them,
[01:28:21.200 --> 01:28:25.200] at which point then they keep it and they actually have written an exception into there
[01:28:25.200 --> 01:28:28.200] that the more services you have with Gmail or with Google,
[01:28:28.200 --> 01:28:31.200] the more other services you subscribe to with them,
[01:28:31.200 --> 01:28:35.200] then the more they can hang on to your search engine results.
[01:28:35.200 --> 01:28:39.200] Oh, and Catherine, I just remembered another email service called Hushmail
[01:28:39.200 --> 01:28:42.200] that is actually encrypted in private. I don't know.
[01:28:42.200 --> 01:28:44.200] Yeah, that's right. Hushmail. Are they free?
[01:28:44.200 --> 01:28:49.200] They are free, as far as I know. I've used them a few times, but it's a little bit cumbersome.
[01:28:49.200 --> 01:28:55.200] So I don't always use it unless I feel that, especially since I use server-based email most of the time.
[01:28:55.200 --> 01:29:00.200] I use Hushmail if I feel like I really have to send some sensitive data to someone.
[01:29:00.200 --> 01:29:05.200] Now, one of the things, Deborah, that I've experienced when I've used services like that
[01:29:05.200 --> 01:29:08.200] is there's always been a thought in the back of my mind, you know, could this be a setup?
[01:29:08.200 --> 01:29:10.200] I know. I know. I saw that too.
[01:29:10.200 --> 01:29:15.200] I mean, you know the feeling, right? And I can tell you, because I just had a long meeting,
[01:29:15.200 --> 01:29:20.200] and I really hope these ex-quick guys aren't scamming me, but I wrote up a contract with them
[01:29:20.200 --> 01:29:26.200] that said, listen, if you guys at any point in any way violate this, you know, you are so fully on the line,
[01:29:26.200 --> 01:29:29.200] and I will sue them literally for millions, and I'll win.
[01:29:29.200 --> 01:29:31.200] Oh, boy. Yeah, really. I'll bet.
[01:29:31.200 --> 01:29:36.200] You know, my reputation is at stake, and I actually said, listen, I need total certainty
[01:29:36.200 --> 01:29:42.200] that what you're saying is true, and I sat down for an hour-long meeting with the third-party certifier.
[01:29:42.200 --> 01:29:44.200] Okay, listen, hold on, Katherine, we're going to break.
[01:29:44.200 --> 01:29:45.200] Sure.
[01:29:45.200 --> 01:29:49.200] Let's finish up on the other side. I appreciate you staying with us so long. We'll be right back.
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[01:33:15.200 --> 01:33:20.200] Alright, we are here with Dr. Catherine Albrecht. We're blasting Google.
[01:33:20.200 --> 01:33:24.200] We're blasting the RFID chips. So go ahead, Catherine.
[01:33:24.200 --> 01:33:29.200] Oh, you were talking about, you were sitting in on a meeting, I believe.
[01:33:29.200 --> 01:33:31.200] I'm not sure which one that was.
[01:33:31.200 --> 01:33:32.200] Okay, well.
[01:33:32.200 --> 01:33:36.200] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was the certification meeting because I was saying, you know,
[01:33:36.200 --> 01:33:38.200] you always have this kind of feeling like am I being set up.
[01:33:38.200 --> 01:33:39.200] Right, right.
[01:33:39.200 --> 01:33:44.200] And so I actually demanded, I said, you know, listen, I really need to sit down.
[01:33:44.200 --> 01:33:47.200] I'm making these promises, but I need to really know how you're doing it.
[01:33:47.200 --> 01:33:51.200] And how are you even avoiding collecting the IP address?
[01:33:51.200 --> 01:33:56.200] Because it's, you know, your IP address sort of beams out everywhere you go on the Internet.
[01:33:56.200 --> 01:33:59.200] How are you guys making sure that you're not capturing that?
[01:33:59.200 --> 01:34:03.200] So I sat down with their technical person, their engineer who created this whole thing,
[01:34:03.200 --> 01:34:05.200] who designed their whole system.
[01:34:05.200 --> 01:34:08.200] I sat down with the certifying party from Certified Secure,
[01:34:08.200 --> 01:34:14.200] which is a very reputable certification authority that gave them their certification.
[01:34:14.200 --> 01:34:16.200] And we spent an hour on the phone together.
[01:34:16.200 --> 01:34:19.200] And I'm telling you, I had my husband there because I'm not really, you know,
[01:34:19.200 --> 01:34:24.200] I'm technically oriented, but I'm certainly no, you know, server person.
[01:34:24.200 --> 01:34:27.200] I had my husband there who really actually is.
[01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:32.200] And, you know, he's been trained in search engine logistics and stuff at Harvard.
[01:34:32.200 --> 01:34:35.200] So, you know, he's certainly in a position to understand it.
[01:34:35.200 --> 01:34:40.200] And, you know, by the time we were done, we said, damn, these guys did a really good job.
[01:34:40.200 --> 01:34:41.200] That's great.
[01:34:41.200 --> 01:34:44.200] So, you know, unless there's something I totally don't know,
[01:34:44.200 --> 01:34:50.200] and in that case I've got a contract with them that would mean I could sue them to the moon and back,
[01:34:50.200 --> 01:34:53.200] you know, this Ixquick really is the real deal.
[01:34:53.200 --> 01:35:01.200] And they, their whole money-making model is they're really banking on the fact
[01:35:01.200 --> 01:35:05.200] that we freedom-loving people will actually put our money where our mouth is
[01:35:05.200 --> 01:35:10.200] or our searches where our mouth is because it doesn't cost you anything to use Ixquick.
[01:35:10.200 --> 01:35:11.200] It's totally free.
[01:35:11.200 --> 01:35:16.200] But they make money based on the number of eyeballs that land on there and see advertising.
[01:35:16.200 --> 01:35:17.200] So that's really their model.
[01:35:17.200 --> 01:35:21.200] So they're really banking on the fact that there are enough of us around the world
[01:35:21.200 --> 01:35:25.200] to make privacy a viable commodity, and they're the only ones doing it right now.
[01:35:25.200 --> 01:35:26.200] Wow.
[01:35:26.200 --> 01:35:29.200] So that's why we really need to send the message, yes, indeed,
[01:35:29.200 --> 01:35:32.200] that if a company is willing to stick its neck out there,
[01:35:32.200 --> 01:35:36.200] and instead of making the easy money by capturing your information and selling it,
[01:35:36.200 --> 01:35:39.200] which is certainly easy money and all the big guys do it,
[01:35:39.200 --> 01:35:42.200] Ixquick does not have that funding model.
[01:35:42.200 --> 01:35:47.200] So they're bypassing all of that funding and really relying on this sort of alternative,
[01:35:47.200 --> 01:35:51.200] really revolutionary model that all of us are going to switch in droves.
[01:35:51.200 --> 01:35:53.200] And I've been trying to prove them right.
[01:35:53.200 --> 01:35:56.200] And, you know, to the extent that people can help me with marketing ideas
[01:35:56.200 --> 01:36:00.200] or ideas of how we can get this out to the public and actually prove them right,
[01:36:00.200 --> 01:36:03.200] then, you know, I would be very grateful for the help.
[01:36:03.200 --> 01:36:06.200] I'll put a link to Ixquick on our website.
[01:36:06.200 --> 01:36:07.200] Thank you. That'd be awesome.
[01:36:07.200 --> 01:36:08.200] Yeah, I should have done that already.
[01:36:08.200 --> 01:36:12.200] I just haven't had a chance to really maintain the website very much lately
[01:36:12.200 --> 01:36:14.200] because I've been so busy setting up the infrastructure here.
[01:36:14.200 --> 01:36:17.200] But, yeah, I'm going to do that. I'm going to link to them.
[01:36:17.200 --> 01:36:22.200] And what about investors? Can investors buy stock in the company?
[01:36:22.200 --> 01:36:26.200] They're privately held right now, and they're actually a relatively small company.
[01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:28.200] You know, they seem big because they've got a big product,
[01:36:28.200 --> 01:36:30.200] and we're used to thinking of search engines as big.
[01:36:30.200 --> 01:36:32.200] But when you think about a search engine,
[01:36:32.200 --> 01:36:37.200] really all a search engine has to do is provide sort of a steady service.
[01:36:37.200 --> 01:36:41.200] And as a meta search, what they do is they go out and they search,
[01:36:41.200 --> 01:36:45.200] like, up to 15 of the top search engines out there,
[01:36:45.200 --> 01:36:49.200] and then they return sort of an agglomeration of the results from those ones.
[01:36:49.200 --> 01:36:52.200] So they're kind of like a proxy server in a way.
[01:36:52.200 --> 01:36:55.200] And I don't think they're going to go public.
[01:36:55.200 --> 01:36:57.200] If they would, I'd be like their first major investor
[01:36:57.200 --> 01:37:00.200] because I totally believe in this company.
[01:37:00.200 --> 01:37:03.200] But at this point, they're privately held. They're based in the Netherlands.
[01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:07.200] They're under very strict EU privacy laws,
[01:37:07.200 --> 01:37:11.200] and they're actually participating in these talks with Working Group 29.
[01:37:11.200 --> 01:37:17.200] They were one of the only, you know, it was the big guys, Yahoo, Google, and then Ixquick.
[01:37:17.200 --> 01:37:21.200] And that's because they're the ones that were actually identified and singled out by the EU
[01:37:21.200 --> 01:37:26.200] as being really the only ones that are really focusing on privacy in the EU.
[01:37:26.200 --> 01:37:29.200] So they've got a lot of incentive to behave themselves.
[01:37:29.200 --> 01:37:35.200] And based on everything I've seen and extensive conversations with their CEO and their staff,
[01:37:35.200 --> 01:37:37.200] I mean, they're really committed to this thing.
[01:37:37.200 --> 01:37:40.200] That's excellent. And yeah, I definitely will support them and put a link.
[01:37:40.200 --> 01:37:43.200] I have a link to Mozilla on the website.
[01:37:43.200 --> 01:37:48.200] I feel the same way about Google as I feel about Internet Explorer.
[01:37:48.200 --> 01:37:52.200] It's very insecure. It's very unsafe.
[01:37:52.200 --> 01:38:00.200] And especially if you're using Windows, they harvest data of everything that you do in Internet Explorer.
[01:38:00.200 --> 01:38:04.200] And it's put into a file called index.dat, and you can't delete it.
[01:38:04.200 --> 01:38:10.200] And so I tell everybody, do not use Internet Explorer.
[01:38:10.200 --> 01:38:18.200] Use a different browser. There are several out there that will actually mask or not transmit
[01:38:18.200 --> 01:38:30.200] what resolution your monitor is set at in your IP address and what operating system you're using
[01:38:30.200 --> 01:38:34.200] and what browser you're using, what version of the browser you're using,
[01:38:34.200 --> 01:38:37.200] what version of your operating system you're using.
[01:38:37.200 --> 01:38:42.200] Internet Explorer sends that data out when you're on that browser.
[01:38:42.200 --> 01:38:45.200] So do not use it. And actually, there's some browsers.
[01:38:45.200 --> 01:38:47.200] I'm trying to remember what it is.
[01:38:47.200 --> 01:38:51.200] Shoot, I rebuilt my computer and I don't have it on there right now.
[01:38:51.200 --> 01:38:59.200] But there are some where you can actually put in your own data that is transmitted when you use the browser.
[01:38:59.200 --> 01:39:03.200] And so you can edit that information.
[01:39:03.200 --> 01:39:11.200] And so instead of it transmitting what operating system I'm using, I have that field say 9.11 was an inside job.
[01:39:11.200 --> 01:39:15.200] Good for you. Wow.
[01:39:15.200 --> 01:39:23.200] And while we're speaking of operating systems, let me put in a plug for Ubuntu, which Ubuntu Linux.
[01:39:23.200 --> 01:39:29.200] And my husband, who is really the computer geek around here, I went kind of kicking and screaming
[01:39:29.200 --> 01:39:33.200] because I was always a Windows user from the very beginning,
[01:39:33.200 --> 01:39:37.200] and I was really stressed about my programs and I'm used to it.
[01:39:37.200 --> 01:39:42.200] And he kind of gently brought me along. That was probably five years ago.
[01:39:42.200 --> 01:39:48.200] Now it's gotten really easy. If you go to Ubuntu, which is U-B-U-N-T-U,
[01:39:48.200 --> 01:39:51.200] every vowel in there is a U, Ubuntu.
[01:39:51.200 --> 01:40:00.200] On the home page of Ubuntu Linux, there is a place where you can download sort of a sample of the operating system.
[01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:04.200] And you can stick it on a CD or on a little thumb drive.
[01:40:04.200 --> 01:40:10.200] And then you can boot up your computer to it and have the actual experience of running Linux on your computer.
[01:40:10.200 --> 01:40:16.200] You can click on icons. You can scroll around. You can navigate. You can do all sorts of things.
[01:40:16.200 --> 01:40:22.200] And then when you're done, then you simply turn your computer off and then you reboot it again
[01:40:22.200 --> 01:40:26.200] without the little thing in there. And then you go right back to your normal Windows system.
[01:40:26.200 --> 01:40:31.200] So it's kind of a gentle way to get the introduction to Ubuntu without really having to commit.
[01:40:31.200 --> 01:40:40.200] And a lot of people have made that choice because it's very hard to hack a Ubuntu or a Linux system.
[01:40:40.200 --> 01:40:44.200] And it's also really hard to install spyware and all these sorts of things
[01:40:44.200 --> 01:40:48.200] because of the nature of the architecture of the system itself.
[01:40:48.200 --> 01:40:50.200] So a lot of people have been making that switch over to Linux.
[01:40:50.200 --> 01:40:54.200] And that's something else that people who have some computer experience
[01:40:54.200 --> 01:40:58.200] or even who just know somebody who do can make that switch.
[01:40:58.200 --> 01:41:00.200] Absolutely. Go ahead, Randy.
[01:41:00.200 --> 01:41:11.200] If you take like an 8 or 16 gig USB drive, you can load Ubuntu onto it, tell your system to boot from the USB.
[01:41:11.200 --> 01:41:12.200] Exactly.
[01:41:12.200 --> 01:41:18.200] And if you just leave Windows on your system and then plug in your drive,
[01:41:18.200 --> 01:41:28.200] boot to Linux on the USB and use another USB to save on, when you shut the system down and pull it out, there's no trace.
[01:41:28.200 --> 01:41:30.200] That's right. That's right.
[01:41:30.200 --> 01:41:37.200] And if, you know, for people that use their computer for just mainly everyday type of tasks,
[01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:42.200] like surfing the web or running email and stuff like that.
[01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:48.200] Absolutely. I endorse using Ubuntu or any other Linux operating system.
[01:41:48.200 --> 01:41:58.200] Now, unfortunately, my servers, I have to use Windows because my high end audio gear and software will only run on it.
[01:41:58.200 --> 01:42:04.200] But I don't use those computers for email or surfing or anything like that.
[01:42:04.200 --> 01:42:12.200] So yeah, I mean, unless you have hardware, you know, PCI cards that don't have drivers for Linux
[01:42:12.200 --> 01:42:22.200] or you're using special kinds of software that won't run on Linux, unless you're in that type of situation, I say go with Linux for sure.
[01:42:22.200 --> 01:42:25.200] Yeah. And I've never looked back.
[01:42:25.200 --> 01:42:31.200] My husband puts out of a dual boot on my computer, so I could get back to Windows if I ever needed it.
[01:42:31.200 --> 01:42:34.200] And after about six months, I never even touched it.
[01:42:34.200 --> 01:42:38.200] So I'm glad to be free from that whole Microsoft beast.
[01:42:38.200 --> 01:42:40.200] And now I'm free from the Google beast.
[01:42:40.200 --> 01:42:43.200] And I feel like I'm, you know, I feel so much better because I'm not a hypocrite anymore.
[01:42:43.200 --> 01:42:44.200] Right.
[01:42:44.200 --> 01:42:46.200] You know, I used to always, oh, don't talk to me about Google.
[01:42:46.200 --> 01:42:48.200] I really love Google. I don't want to give it up.
[01:42:48.200 --> 01:42:52.200] And now I'm like, how could I have ever, you know, it's sort of like an abusive ex.
[01:42:52.200 --> 01:42:56.200] You know, once you finally get over it, you're like, how could I have ever stayed with that bozo?
[01:42:56.200 --> 01:42:58.200] You know, he was so abusive. He was such a jerk.
[01:42:58.200 --> 01:43:01.200] You know, I'm so glad that I finally got the courage to walk away.
[01:43:01.200 --> 01:43:06.200] And that's really how I feel about Google because they really are.
[01:43:06.200 --> 01:43:10.200] I mean, time after time after time, they keep coming out with these horrible things.
[01:43:10.200 --> 01:43:13.200] Oh, what was when I just found, you know, in 2006, they came up with a plan.
[01:43:13.200 --> 01:43:16.200] You're going to love this one, Deborah and Randy.
[01:43:16.200 --> 01:43:19.200] They came up with this plan. This is great.
[01:43:19.200 --> 01:43:27.200] It was the plan to use the microphone in your computer to listen to your room.
[01:43:27.200 --> 01:43:28.200] Oh, yeah.
[01:43:28.200 --> 01:43:32.200] And see if you were watching a TV show or a movie.
[01:43:32.200 --> 01:43:36.200] And then if they saw that, for example, you were watching like Minority Report with Tom Cruise,
[01:43:36.200 --> 01:43:40.200] then right on your computer screen, they would start running ads for like the clothes
[01:43:40.200 --> 01:43:42.200] that Tom Cruise was wearing and where you could buy them.
[01:43:42.200 --> 01:43:43.200] Oh, my God.
[01:43:43.200 --> 01:43:49.200] Oh, yeah. TV shows, they would run ads like, oh, you know, link up with a community
[01:43:49.200 --> 01:43:54.200] that also likes watching Survivor, you know, or just listening to your environment and running ads.
[01:43:54.200 --> 01:43:58.200] So I could just see it like, you know, you're sitting there playing on the computer doing something.
[01:43:58.200 --> 01:44:02.200] Your husband comes in, you know, yells at you or your wife comes in.
[01:44:02.200 --> 01:44:05.200] Why aren't you mowing the lawn? I'm sick of this. Bye, bye, bye.
[01:44:05.200 --> 01:44:07.200] You're just wasting time at that computer.
[01:44:07.200 --> 01:44:12.200] And then all of a sudden up on the computer comes like two ads, one for like the John Deere lawnmower
[01:44:12.200 --> 01:44:17.200] and then the other one for like conflict resolution or something, you know,
[01:44:17.200 --> 01:44:19.200] how to get along with your wife.
[01:44:19.200 --> 01:44:24.200] No, wait, wait, do they use like speech recognition technology to do this?
[01:44:24.200 --> 01:44:29.200] I mean, they don't literally have somebody like a person monitoring every microphone, like a different one.
[01:44:29.200 --> 01:44:33.200] Well, here's the disturbing thing about television shows that people don't realize.
[01:44:33.200 --> 01:44:35.200] See, I got rid of my TV, so it's kind of like Microsoft.
[01:44:35.200 --> 01:44:38.200] You know, I sort of go, you know, why are you still doing that?
[01:44:38.200 --> 01:44:43.200] But TV shows now, because of AC Nielsen, remember, these are the guys who wanted to know
[01:44:43.200 --> 01:44:45.200] when you take the lid off the toothpaste in your own bathroom.
[01:44:45.200 --> 01:44:46.200] Yeah, right.
[01:44:46.200 --> 01:44:53.200] All right, those AC Nielsen guys have made contracts and arrangements with every major radio
[01:44:53.200 --> 01:45:01.200] and television studio in the nation to broadcast inaudible sounds, inaudible tones during all of their broadcasts.
[01:45:01.200 --> 01:45:04.200] Every, you know, periodically this little tone comes up.
[01:45:04.200 --> 01:45:08.200] It's like a dog whistle. You can't hear it, but their equipment can.
[01:45:08.200 --> 01:45:17.200] And the plan here or the way they use this is that when they want to have their audience,
[01:45:17.200 --> 01:45:20.200] you know, they have these Nielsen families and these Arbitron ratings people,
[01:45:20.200 --> 01:45:25.200] when they want you to be one of those people, then they issue you this little bracelet.
[01:45:25.200 --> 01:45:30.200] It's called a portable people monitor, a PPM. I know, where do they get these names?
[01:45:30.200 --> 01:45:33.200] But you wear this little portable people monitor.
[01:45:33.200 --> 01:45:38.200] It's a microphone that is attached to a bracelet that you wear on your wrist.
[01:45:38.200 --> 01:45:43.200] And then as you go about your day, it listens for those tones.
[01:45:43.200 --> 01:45:47.200] So if it hears a tone that goes beep, beep, beep, I'm making this up.
[01:45:47.200 --> 01:45:52.200] I don't even know, like Morse code or something, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, then it knows that's the survivor code.
[01:45:52.200 --> 01:45:55.200] Oh, you're watching Survivor. We'll make a note of that.
[01:45:55.200 --> 01:45:59.200] Or if you're listening to like CBS radio, then it goes beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
[01:45:59.200 --> 01:46:01.200] And then it goes, oh, yeah, you're listening to CBS radio.
[01:46:01.200 --> 01:46:03.200] Well, you listen to that for 15 minutes.
[01:46:03.200 --> 01:46:08.200] And so they log all of your media consumption into this thing.
[01:46:08.200 --> 01:46:15.200] And I believe if they have that capability, it's just a matter of time before people released on parole
[01:46:15.200 --> 01:46:20.200] or people being monitored by the court get issued these things in a mandatory way
[01:46:20.200 --> 01:46:25.200] so that they can make sure that you're not, oh, I don't know, viewing some inappropriate material.
[01:46:25.200 --> 01:46:30.200] But anyway, right now it's voluntary. People get paid to be part of this whole system.
[01:46:30.200 --> 01:46:32.200] And they monitor their media consumption.
[01:46:32.200 --> 01:46:39.200] So presumably Google's ambient listening device would be listening for those sorts of tones in the media that you consumed.
[01:46:39.200 --> 01:46:48.200] And in our book, Spy Chips, which I should put in a plug for the book because it's kind of the definitive expose on RFID,
[01:46:48.200 --> 01:46:53.200] the first and maybe the only definitive expose on RFID ever, I don't know.
[01:46:53.200 --> 01:47:02.200] But in our book, Spy Chips, we actually talked about a plan that was proposed to put not only the listening devices in there,
[01:47:02.200 --> 01:47:09.200] but to actually have a device like that that would be an RFID reader, and then put RFID tags into magazines and books
[01:47:09.200 --> 01:47:13.200] so that not only would they know what you listened to, but when you picked up the book
[01:47:13.200 --> 01:47:20.200] and got it within range of the reader in your wristband, it would record how long you held that copy of Time magazine.
[01:47:20.200 --> 01:47:26.200] And so they'd actually not only be able to know what you heard, but they'd be able to know what your eyeballs presumably were reading.
[01:47:26.200 --> 01:47:27.200] That is insane!
[01:47:27.200 --> 01:47:31.200] Yeah, yeah. They've got the technology to do it. It's just an implementation question.
[01:47:31.200 --> 01:47:40.200] Well, and as far as just going back to the microphone thing for a moment, you know, PCs generally don't have built-in microphones.
[01:47:40.200 --> 01:47:47.200] Laptops do. And so I would tell everybody that unless you're going to be using that microphone
[01:47:47.200 --> 01:47:54.200] for some specific application like a voice over IP software like Yahoo or Skype or something,
[01:47:54.200 --> 01:47:59.200] go into the device manager and disable it. Then they can't listen to you.
[01:47:59.200 --> 01:48:03.200] Yeah. Yuck. Yuck!
[01:48:03.200 --> 01:48:10.200] Okay. So seriously, yeah. Get away from Internet Explorer. Get away from Windows altogether if you can.
[01:48:10.200 --> 01:48:18.200] Disable the mic and the device manager of your laptop. Get on X quick. Use Mozilla. Use Thunderbird.
[01:48:18.200 --> 01:48:24.200] You know, it's like you really have to take steps to protect your privacy.
[01:48:24.200 --> 01:48:32.200] You can't just be, you know, out there on the Internet and on the computer just falling into their traps like this.
[01:48:32.200 --> 01:48:36.200] Well, and you know, they're honey-laden traps. I mean, that's how traps work.
[01:48:36.200 --> 01:48:41.200] They don't put a big, you know, steaming pile of horse manure in there. They put honey in there.
[01:48:41.200 --> 01:48:48.200] And I think that's why, you know, otherwise well-intentioned privacy-loving people are such suckers for Google
[01:48:48.200 --> 01:48:53.200] because Google really does provide a service that we all love.
[01:48:53.200 --> 01:48:58.200] And they know that. And as a result, they've really got us, you know, by the cojones here.
[01:48:58.200 --> 01:49:01.200] And we've got to say, you know, no way.
[01:49:01.200 --> 01:49:05.200] See, for the longest time, I really didn't think that there was an alternative.
[01:49:05.200 --> 01:49:09.200] And now that we've found one, you know, we would be absolutely irresponsible not to use it.
[01:49:09.200 --> 01:49:12.200] Absolutely. I totally agree.
[01:49:12.200 --> 01:49:18.200] All right, Catherine, let's go back to just as far as the RFID.
[01:49:18.200 --> 01:49:24.200] I just wanted you to speak again and just remind people of when you're going to be here in town
[01:49:24.200 --> 01:49:28.200] and the event in San Marcos and all that kind of stuff.
[01:49:28.200 --> 01:49:31.200] Yeah, I'm going to be. Let me give you all the details.
[01:49:31.200 --> 01:49:35.200] I'm coming in for March 2nd. That's Monday, March 2nd.
[01:49:35.200 --> 01:49:40.200] I'm going to be speaking at Brave New Books, the Brave New Book store, on Monday night at 7 p.m.
[01:49:40.200 --> 01:49:42.200] with Deborah, I may add, Randy.
[01:49:42.200 --> 01:49:43.200] Absolutely.
[01:49:43.200 --> 01:49:45.200] Randy, any chance you can come out and join us too?
[01:49:45.200 --> 01:49:48.200] Pretty good chance if I'm still in town.
[01:49:48.200 --> 01:49:49.200] Woo-hoo! All right.
[01:49:49.200 --> 01:49:52.200] So hopefully, Randy will be there too.
[01:49:52.200 --> 01:49:54.200] But definitely, Deborah and I will be there.
[01:49:54.200 --> 01:49:58.200] I will be signing copies of Spychips, which will be available for purchase.
[01:49:58.200 --> 01:50:03.200] If you already own a copy, go ahead and bring your existing copy, and I'll be happy to sign it for you.
[01:50:03.200 --> 01:50:08.200] If you have a copy of America, Freedom to Fascism, bring that. I'll sign that one for you.
[01:50:08.200 --> 01:50:11.200] And we can talk about that fabulous movie as well.
[01:50:11.200 --> 01:50:17.200] So I'm going to be at Brave New Books on Monday, March 2nd, 7 p.m. until, I don't know, we'll just make a party out of it.
[01:50:17.200 --> 01:50:22.200] And then the following day, which is Tuesday, March 3rd, we're going to head down to San Marcos,
[01:50:22.200 --> 01:50:26.200] about a half an hour south of Austin, half an hour north of San Antonio, right in between.
[01:50:26.200 --> 01:50:31.200] And in the city of San Marcos, we're going to gather at the dog park across from the City Hall.
[01:50:31.200 --> 01:50:34.200] We're going to pick up candles.
[01:50:34.200 --> 01:50:38.200] And then at sunset at 630, we're going to head over in front of City Hall.
[01:50:38.200 --> 01:50:43.200] And with signs of the poor dog who bled to death a couple weeks ago from his microchip implant,
[01:50:43.200 --> 01:50:50.200] we will be respectfully holding a prayer vigil, or not a prayer vigil, but sort of a memorial vigil.
[01:50:50.200 --> 01:50:55.200] Some of us may be praying, but that's not the official purpose of the event.
[01:50:55.200 --> 01:51:01.200] And we will all be sort of protesting this mandatory microchipping law in San Marcos
[01:51:01.200 --> 01:51:07.200] that says that everybody who owns a dog or a cat or a guinea pig or a hamster or you name it
[01:51:07.200 --> 01:51:12.200] is going to have to have that animal microchipped unless we can get that ordinance overturned.
[01:51:12.200 --> 01:51:14.200] That, by the way, goes into effect on April 1st.
[01:51:14.200 --> 01:51:21.200] So we have a limited amount of time to get rid of it before it begins coming after those people of San Marcos.
[01:51:21.200 --> 01:51:23.200] So it's probably going to be a big party.
[01:51:23.200 --> 01:51:26.200] We've got a whole ton of people, wonderful people.
[01:51:26.200 --> 01:51:31.200] Judith McGeary from NAIS, Anti-NAIS Organization Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance.
[01:51:31.200 --> 01:51:32.200] She will be there.
[01:51:32.200 --> 01:51:36.200] We've got a bunch of people from Brave New Books are going to head down.
[01:51:36.200 --> 01:51:38.200] A bunch of radio hosts are going to be there.
[01:51:38.200 --> 01:51:41.200] We've got a huge crew coming down from Austin.
[01:51:41.200 --> 01:51:44.200] We're going to have some musicians there, hopefully playing some music.
[01:51:44.200 --> 01:51:47.200] And it's going to be one of those days that, you know, be there or be square.
[01:51:47.200 --> 01:51:52.200] I have a feeling it's going to be kind of the freedom event in Austin for that evening.
[01:51:52.200 --> 01:51:54.200] That sounds great. Absolutely.
[01:51:54.200 --> 01:51:57.200] And I'll bring some Three Shoes Posse CDs down to Brave New Books, too.
[01:51:57.200 --> 01:51:59.200] I think they have some also.
[01:51:59.200 --> 01:52:00.200] And you know what, Katherine?
[01:52:00.200 --> 01:52:04.200] I just realized that's a Monday night when we're going to be at Brave New Books.
[01:52:04.200 --> 01:52:07.200] And we broadcast on Monday nights 8 to 10.
[01:52:07.200 --> 01:52:12.200] And so what I'll do is I'll coordinate with the guys up there at Brave New Books.
[01:52:12.200 --> 01:52:16.200] And we'll, Randy and I can do the show from Brave New Books.
[01:52:16.200 --> 01:52:21.200] And in between your book signing and talking to people, maybe you could come jump on the air with us.
[01:52:21.200 --> 01:52:23.200] That'd be great. How fun.
[01:52:23.200 --> 01:52:24.200] Yep. Absolutely.
[01:52:24.200 --> 01:52:25.200] Good. All right.
[01:52:25.200 --> 01:52:28.200] So yeah, if you've got the equipment to do a remote broadcast, then we're all set.
[01:52:28.200 --> 01:52:34.200] And you can, you know, those of you who can't join us, you can join us vicariously in spirit through the radio.
[01:52:34.200 --> 01:52:36.200] That'd be great.
[01:52:36.200 --> 01:52:39.200] So Katherine, we have a few minutes left of this segment.
[01:52:39.200 --> 01:52:49.200] I wanted, just if you could please, we didn't quite finish up on what some of the ramifications are of these RFID chips in these animals.
[01:52:49.200 --> 01:52:54.200] Like the guy who called and said he never saw any problems with the major livestock.
[01:52:54.200 --> 01:53:00.200] And you're about to talk about what happens with cats as well.
[01:53:00.200 --> 01:53:10.200] Yeah. One of the problems with this technology is we really don't understand what it is that's causing the cancer in these animals.
[01:53:10.200 --> 01:53:15.200] And until we understand that, people really need to stay away from these microchips.
[01:53:15.200 --> 01:53:22.200] Let me give people a little bit of good news because I always feel like I come on and, you know, I'm Ms. Doom and Gloom here because so much of what I talk about is negative.
[01:53:22.200 --> 01:53:24.200] But let me give you guys some good news.
[01:53:24.200 --> 01:53:33.200] A couple of years ago in 2006, the Varichib Corporation that makes the human implants, they're identical to the dog implants.
[01:53:33.200 --> 01:53:38.200] There's no difference between them except the dog implant has 10 digits encoded into the microchip.
[01:53:38.200 --> 01:53:40.200] The human one has 16 digits in the microchip.
[01:53:40.200 --> 01:53:42.200] But other than that, they're identical in every way.
[01:53:42.200 --> 01:53:44.200] You can't tell them visually apart.
[01:53:44.200 --> 01:53:49.200] Well, the company that makes these human microchips was really making massive inroads.
[01:53:49.200 --> 01:53:57.200] And they had made, they'd signed sort of memos of understanding with National Diabetes Associations.
[01:53:57.200 --> 01:54:02.200] They had a trial running with the Hackensack New Jersey Medical Center.
[01:54:02.200 --> 01:54:05.200] They had a trial running with Blue Cross Blue Shield.
[01:54:05.200 --> 01:54:12.200] They were implanting Alzheimer's patients at a place called the Alzheimer's Care Center in West Palm Beach, Florida,
[01:54:12.200 --> 01:54:16.200] where they were going to implant 200 Alzheimer's patients and their caregivers.
[01:54:16.200 --> 01:54:18.200] They were like going gangbusters.
[01:54:18.200 --> 01:54:24.200] They had a big billboard up at a stadium down there in Florida that said implantable chips save lives.
[01:54:24.200 --> 01:54:26.200] You know, it really was like they were just cruising.
[01:54:26.200 --> 01:54:32.200] And back at that time, their stock was trading at about $11.60 a share.
[01:54:32.200 --> 01:54:40.200] Well, during that time, unbeknownst to them, I was working around the clock with an Associated Press reporter named Todd Lewin
[01:54:40.200 --> 01:54:47.200] to investigate these reports that had started to come in being reported to us about cancer in animals.
[01:54:47.200 --> 01:54:52.200] And so I went and I found these really obscure documents that were not available online in the journals.
[01:54:52.200 --> 01:54:59.200] You had to actually go into the stacks and go down to the basement of the library at the Harvard Medical Center and track these things down.
[01:54:59.200 --> 01:55:05.200] And so I went in there and spent a couple of days researching this thing and getting all these documents and providing them to the Associated Press.
[01:55:05.200 --> 01:55:15.200] We spent six months on this investigation. And finally, the Associated Press broke this detailed, in-depth investigative story on this whole thing.
[01:55:15.200 --> 01:55:22.200] Since that time, we have essentially, and I'm going to say this with every bit of joy in my voice,
[01:55:22.200 --> 01:55:26.200] we have essentially destroyed the Verichip Corporation with that information.
[01:55:26.200 --> 01:55:29.200] Oh, man. That is so excellent.
[01:55:29.200 --> 01:55:33.200] Yeah. They went from trading, as they said, for like close to $12 a share.
[01:55:33.200 --> 01:55:35.200] They're now trading for pennies a share.
[01:55:35.200 --> 01:55:40.200] The company is on the verge of being delisted from the stock exchange as a penny stock.
[01:55:40.200 --> 01:55:43.200] It's no longer even considered a valid stock anymore.
[01:55:43.200 --> 01:55:49.200] They cannot find anybody to microchip. I can't remember the last person who actually took a chip implant.
[01:55:49.200 --> 01:55:57.200] It is like a whole new world of microchip implants for these guys because they have literally no business.
[01:55:57.200 --> 01:56:06.200] So that's the fabulous news, is that we were essentially able to destroy them or at least send them back into the dark cave that they crawled out of.
[01:56:06.200 --> 01:56:16.200] And that, everybody needs to recognize that our side scored a big victory there because you're not hearing about those chip initiatives like you were a couple of years ago.
[01:56:16.200 --> 01:56:19.200] Now, that doesn't mean we're out of the woods. We've got Homeland Security to worry about.
[01:56:19.200 --> 01:56:25.200] We've got a lot of other RFID problems. But as far as somebody wanting to come at you with a microchip in your flesh,
[01:56:25.200 --> 01:56:30.200] all you have to do is point out those cancer studies and you'll see they'll kind of shrink away in fear.
[01:56:30.200 --> 01:56:32.200] So good news there.
[01:56:32.200 --> 01:56:41.200] That is absolutely fabulous. I just love it. It just goes to show we really are making a difference.
[01:56:41.200 --> 01:56:48.200] We really can do something. And I'm all about solutions here and actually making a difference.
[01:56:48.200 --> 01:56:55.200] I mean, we have to report on the news. You know, some people are better at researching news and reporting it to people.
[01:56:55.200 --> 01:57:01.200] And they may not know what the solutions are. Other people are good at solutions. And that's just wonderful.
[01:57:01.200 --> 01:57:10.200] I mean, what Randy does really works. What you're doing, obviously, really works. So this is fabulous news.
[01:57:10.200 --> 01:57:18.200] Well, you know, we need more victories. And I think we need to reassure people that all it takes is, as Margaret Mead said,
[01:57:18.200 --> 01:57:24.200] a committed minority to change the world. You do not need the random person out there to understand, to be on board,
[01:57:24.200 --> 01:57:29.200] or to even have a clue. The random person out there is pretty much irrelevant in this battle.
[01:57:29.200 --> 01:57:35.200] It's pretty much between the nos and the people in the no on the bad side and the people in the no on the good side.
[01:57:35.200 --> 01:57:41.200] And that's where the battle's raging. And, you know, so many people get discouraged. You know, I can't convince anybody.
[01:57:41.200 --> 01:57:47.200] Don't worry about them. You know, your job as a freedom activist is not to convince people of the truth.
[01:57:47.200 --> 01:57:54.200] You know, that's what it feels like our job is, but that's not our job. Our job is to find other people who get it and link up with them.
[01:57:54.200 --> 01:58:00.200] Absolutely. Yeah, the Bible has a phrase on that, let he who has an ear hear, which is repeated over and over,
[01:58:00.200 --> 01:58:05.200] let he who has an ear hear. And I finally took that to heart and I said, you know what that means?
[01:58:05.200 --> 01:58:11.200] It means that there's people out there with no ears. You can scream at them at the top of your lungs and they'll never hear you.
[01:58:11.200 --> 01:58:15.200] Right, exactly. All right, well, I think I'm going to need to run. Let me give out my websites real quick.
[01:58:15.200 --> 01:58:21.200] Okay, give out. Yeah, antichips.com, KatherineAlbert.com if you want to hear my radio show.
[01:58:21.200 --> 01:58:28.200] And we've got a newsletter that people can sign up for for free. And my email address is kma at spychips.com.
[01:58:28.200 --> 01:58:32.200] Final word, go to ixquick.com, pull the Google needle out of your arm.
[01:58:32.200 --> 01:58:36.200] Absolutely. Thank you so much for joining us tonight, Katherine. Thank you, Debra.
[01:58:36.200 --> 01:58:41.200] All righty. We will be back on the other side. Top of the hour news coming up.
[01:58:41.200 --> 01:58:59.200] Sign in world report. We'll be right back.
[01:59:11.200 --> 01:59:31.200] Tell me, tell me, who do you think you are? Stop it, stop it. You're never gonna get my love.
[01:59:31.200 --> 01:59:41.200] I'll never give my love to a poor guy that has a love that's true. Than to be fooled around and get hurt by you.
[01:59:41.200 --> 02:00:01.200] Cause when I give my love, I want love in return. Now I know this is a lesson, Mr. Big Stuff, you haven't learned. Mr. Big Stuff, tell me, who do you think you are? Mr. Big Stuff, you're never gonna get my love.