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[00:06.000 --> 00:10.000]  In Iraq, at least ten Iraqis were killed and another three were wounded on Thursday.
[00:10.000 --> 00:15.000]  U.S. forces killed an Iraqi soldier and wounded another in Zafraniya.
[00:15.000 --> 00:20.000]  Two children and their parents were killed in Suwariya when gunmen fired upon them.
[00:20.000 --> 00:23.000]  Several nations are re-evaluating their missions in Iraq.
[00:23.000 --> 00:26.000]  El Salvador has ended its mission in southern Iraq,
[00:26.000 --> 00:31.000]  and Estonia will withdraw all but three staff officers from the country.
[00:31.000 --> 00:36.000]  On Thursday, U.S. defense chiefs shied away from endorsing a 16-month deadline
[00:36.000 --> 00:38.000]  for withdrawing U.S. combat troops in Iraq,
[00:38.000 --> 00:44.000]  saying that they would present President Barack Obama a full range of options.
[00:44.000 --> 00:48.000]  Obama met Wednesday with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates
[00:48.000 --> 00:53.000]  and senior military officers to discuss planning for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops.
[00:53.000 --> 00:58.000]  The international community and the Afghanistan government are now at serious odds.
[00:58.000 --> 01:04.000]  Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai criticized the U.S.-led coalition for its conduct during the war.
[01:04.000 --> 01:08.000]  Karzai also was criticizing the coalition for treating the Afghan government
[01:08.000 --> 01:13.000]  as an inconsequential source of authority, also for patronizing warlords,
[01:13.000 --> 01:17.000]  corruption and waste, and the condoning of drug trafficking.
[01:17.000 --> 01:20.000]  Some speculate President Obama's arrival in the White House
[01:20.000 --> 01:24.000]  could lead to the ousting of Karzai from power.
[01:40.000 --> 01:42.000]  The U.K. Guardian reports that the people of Iceland
[01:42.000 --> 01:45.000]  are starting the first revolution in the history of the republic.
[01:45.000 --> 01:48.000]  Four months after the collapse of Iceland's financial system,
[01:48.000 --> 01:51.000]  no one has accepted any responsibility.
[01:51.000 --> 01:54.000]  Iceland's currency has lost more than half its value,
[01:54.000 --> 01:57.000]  while rampant inflation has eaten up most people's savings.
[01:57.000 --> 02:02.000]  Property values dropped more than a third, and unemployment is now reaching new levels.
[02:02.000 --> 02:05.000]  Icelanders blame the business elite and the government,
[02:05.000 --> 02:08.000]  which failed to regulate the newly privatized financial sector.
[02:08.000 --> 02:13.000]  Different sectors of the government and the banking world are blaming each other.
[02:13.000 --> 02:16.000]  Angered Icelanders have finally turned to the streets.
[02:16.000 --> 02:19.000]  Reactions started in October with peaceful demonstrations.
[02:19.000 --> 02:24.000]  Wednesday, as parliament resumed, the public surrounded the government building
[02:24.000 --> 02:27.000]  and put forward a clear demand for early elections.
[02:27.000 --> 02:31.000]  Three ministers and parliamentarians hid inside and tried to sit out the protest.
[02:31.000 --> 02:36.000]  Throughout the night, parliament remained under siege, and the vigil continued the next day.
[02:36.000 --> 02:56.000]  On Friday, the ruling Independence Party called for elections this May, two years early.
[03:06.000 --> 03:21.000]  The preacher man says it's the end of time, and the Mississippi River, she's a golden drive.
[03:21.000 --> 03:33.000]  The interest is up and the stock market's down, and you're only getting mugged if you go downtown.
[03:33.000 --> 03:44.000]  I live back in the woods, you see, a woman and the kids and the dogs and me.
[03:44.000 --> 03:51.000]  I got a shotgun, a rifle, and a four-wheel drive, and a country boy can survive.
[03:51.000 --> 03:59.000]  Country folks can survive.
[03:59.000 --> 04:10.000]  I can flower field all day long, I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn.
[04:10.000 --> 04:21.000]  Make our own whiskey and our own smoke too, ain't too many things these old boys can't do.
[04:21.000 --> 04:28.000]  We grow good old tomatoes and homemade wine, and country boy can survive.
[04:28.000 --> 04:35.000]  Country folks can survive.
[04:35.000 --> 04:43.000]  Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run, those wooden old boys raised on shotguns.
[04:43.000 --> 04:53.000]  We say grace, we say ma'am, if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn.
[04:53.000 --> 05:04.000]  From the West Virginia coal mines and the rocky mountains and the western skies.
[05:04.000 --> 05:10.000]  And we can skin a buck, we can run a trot line, and a country boy can survive.
[05:10.000 --> 05:18.000]  Country folks can survive.
[05:18.000 --> 05:29.000]  I had a good friend in New York City, he never called me by my name, just Hillbilly.
[05:29.000 --> 05:40.000]  My grandpa taught me how to live off the land, and he has taught him to be a business man.
[05:40.000 --> 05:51.000]  He used to send me pictures of the broadway nights, and I'd send him some homemade wine.
[05:51.000 --> 06:02.000]  But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife, for forty-three dollars my friend lost his life.
[06:02.000 --> 06:12.000]  I'd love to spit some beach nut in that dude's eyes, and shoot him with my old forty-five, cause a country boy can survive.
[06:12.000 --> 06:20.000]  Country folks can survive.
[06:20.000 --> 06:28.000]  Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run, those wooden old boys raised on shotguns.
[06:28.000 --> 06:37.000]  We say great, we say ma'am, and you ain't into that, but don't give a damn.
[06:37.000 --> 06:49.000]  We're from North California and South Alabama, and the middle towns all around this land.
[06:49.000 --> 06:55.000]  And we can skin a buck, and run a trot line, and a country boy can survive.
[06:55.000 --> 06:58.000]  Country folks can survive.
[06:58.000 --> 07:02.000]  Country boy can survive.
[07:02.000 --> 07:12.000]  Country folks can survive.
[07:12.000 --> 07:17.000]  This is the rule of law, rule of law radio, ruleoflawradio.com.
[07:17.000 --> 07:22.000]  Country folks can survive. I love it, I love that song.
[07:22.000 --> 07:28.000]  Changing up the bumper music here, we got Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[07:28.000 --> 07:39.000]  And boy, let me tell ya, that last show, Agenda 21 with Greg Chapman and Don Terry and their guests.
[07:39.000 --> 07:49.000]  Oh god, it was great. Folks, if you didn't tune in to our brand new show, most recent addition to rule of law radio.
[07:49.000 --> 07:57.000]  Man, I tell ya, you gotta download the archive later, because it was just absolutely a grand slam.
[07:57.000 --> 07:59.000]  Did you hear any of the show, Randy?
[07:59.000 --> 08:00.000]  Yeah.
[08:00.000 --> 08:06.000]  It was really good. I mean, they went over just the whole thing of how they are.
[08:06.000 --> 08:25.000]  It's all coming down from the UN and upper levels of government controlling the county commissioners and the state legislatures and the fraud of sustainable development and the fraud of global warming.
[08:25.000 --> 08:29.000]  I mean, oh god, it was just great. It was an excellent show.
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[10:26.000 --> 10:36.000]  So that's my little opening rant here. And we've got Dan Reel from Connecticut. Dan, I'm sure you're calling in about the case that you wanted to discuss.
[10:36.000 --> 10:45.000]  But let me just hand it over to Randy here right now to start off with. Dan, if you could just sit tight for a few moments.
[10:45.000 --> 10:53.000]  Randy, so you've been doing some research into this Nevada situation. Can you bring us up to speed on what you found out?
[10:53.000 --> 11:10.000]  Well, in looking through Nevada law, it was interesting because it's different. It appears as though the prosecutor files the criminal complaint and not the police officer.
[11:10.000 --> 11:28.000]  Well, that's the way it appears. But in searching out and digging into the statutes, I wind up finding the exact same things everywhere, because the federal law requires certain things to be in place.
[11:28.000 --> 11:41.000]  And the states have to comply with the federal requirements. And it appears that Nevada has a innovative way of getting around the requirements.
[11:41.000 --> 11:51.000]  When I go through them in Texas, it's pretty straightforward. The law says you must do this thing, and they just simply do something else instead.
[11:51.000 --> 12:14.000]  In Nevada, it's a little more subtle. In Nevada, when a person's arrested, most of us who's heard the show before are aware that the police only have the authority to hold you in an arrest,
[12:14.000 --> 12:25.000]  either with or without a warrant, for as long as it takes to get you before a neutral magistrate, because it wasn't intended that the police have the key to the jailhouse door.
[12:25.000 --> 12:37.000]  They're taking you before a neutral magistrate, and the magistrate makes a determination of probable cause. And if he determines probable cause without a warrant, then he issues a warrant.
[12:37.000 --> 12:49.000]  If there is a warrant, he looks at the warrant to make sure it's sufficient, and then he enters an order finding that the warrant is sufficient, and they bind you to the court.
[12:49.000 --> 13:03.000]  And then he's supposed to send all those records to the clerk of the court. Well, that same requirement is in Nevada law, that you're to be taken before a magistrate, and it says you have to be taken before a magistrate within 48 hours.
[13:03.000 --> 13:20.000]  If you're not taken before a magistrate within 38 hours, you must be released. Well, that on the surface looks like an improvement over Texas law, because in Texas law, if they don't get you before a magistrate within 24 hours,
[13:20.000 --> 13:32.000]  it only goes to prima facie evidence that the taking was not timely. If you don't raise an objection, then the state says, well, no harm, no foul. You waive the right to do so.
[13:32.000 --> 13:43.000]  You don't waive the right. It just doesn't come up unless you bring it up at some point. But Nevada seem to have taken a little more innovative approach.
[13:43.000 --> 14:00.000]  If they get someone that can't pay their bond, and it's a minor offense and they don't want to hold them, or if they pull some real rotten crap, do something really stupid and arrest someone,
[14:00.000 --> 14:08.000]  and they don't want to have to go before a magistrate, they just throw them in jail for 48 hours and then bump them out.
[14:08.000 --> 14:26.000]  And then, because a prosecutor is authorized to file a criminal complaint, then they go to the prosecutor and make their allegation, and when the prosecutor gets around to it, he files a criminal complaint.
[14:26.000 --> 14:39.000]  Well, if you go back and read the statute, once the person, once the prosecution commences, the prosecutor has, and a prosecution commences if the person's arrested.
[14:39.000 --> 14:47.000]  When the person's arrested, the prosecutor has 15 days in which time to file a complaint.
[14:47.000 --> 14:59.000]  Essentially, it's how it should be. It says that they must be brought before a magistrate, and the law presumes that once they're brought before a magistrate and a magistrate makes a determination of probable cause,
[14:59.000 --> 15:04.000]  he's going to send all the records to the clerk of the court, and the prosecutor gets himself set.
[15:04.000 --> 15:15.000]  So after the probable cause determination, it's assumed that that'll happen within 48 hours, then the prosecutor has 15 days to file a complaint.
[15:15.000 --> 15:20.000]  But what if you never go before a magistrate?
[15:20.000 --> 15:32.000]  You see, when the policeman takes you before a magistrate, he has to present a criminal complaint to the magistrate in order to give the magistrate subject matter jurisdiction.
[15:32.000 --> 15:45.000]  And that would initiate a prosecution, but also create a record because he would have to have a statement of probable cause showing cause for the arrest.
[15:45.000 --> 15:48.000]  Well, they don't take you at all.
[15:48.000 --> 15:58.000]  And then they just bump you out, or in this case, someone I'm working with, they let her out on bail.
[15:58.000 --> 16:03.000]  After they punished her for almost 48 hours.
[16:03.000 --> 16:07.000]  And now nothing's happened.
[16:07.000 --> 16:18.000]  They never saw a magistrate so that apparently the clock, the 15-day clock doesn't start ticking because there's no records anywhere.
[16:18.000 --> 16:27.000]  And then when the prosecutor gets around to it, he files a criminal complaint, and then the prosecution commences.
[16:27.000 --> 16:33.000]  Well, we're going to beat them up for that, and I'll explain how when we get back.
[16:33.000 --> 16:37.000]  All right, we'll be back on the other side. This is the rule of law, rule of law radio.
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[24:38.020 --> 24:43.020]  take you to a magistrate and file a complaint and explain himself.
[24:43.020 --> 24:48.460]  That goes all the way back to 1512, signing the Magna Carta.
[24:48.460 --> 24:54.300]  It was intended that the police not hold the key to the jailhouse door.
[24:54.300 --> 25:00.540]  That while they're authorized to arrest, they have to take you to a neutral magistrate
[25:00.540 --> 25:03.980]  and have the magistrate determine whether you go to jail or not.
[25:03.980 --> 25:04.980]  Not the policeman.
[25:04.980 --> 25:11.460]  Well, they get around that by saying, oh, we don't get you to a magistrate within 48
[25:11.460 --> 25:13.100]  hours, we just let you go.
[25:13.100 --> 25:14.380]  No harm, no foul.
[25:14.380 --> 25:16.700]  Here's the problem.
[25:16.700 --> 25:25.380]  What happens now is they can essentially do anything they want to you.
[25:25.380 --> 25:34.820]  We have Jackie on the line and she's the one who went out to Nevada to look at her case
[25:34.820 --> 25:41.420]  for and we're going to go to Dan Real and he's got something he wanted to address and
[25:41.420 --> 25:47.140]  as soon as we're done with that, we'll come back to Jackie and let her tell you what happened.
[25:47.140 --> 25:56.060]  And then I'll explain why this will make it clear why what they're doing is a problem.
[25:56.060 --> 26:02.340]  The end result of it is, is that the police are left in a position to where they can do
[26:02.340 --> 26:04.580]  anything they want to.
[26:04.580 --> 26:07.900]  They can treat you any way they want to.
[26:07.900 --> 26:14.100]  And once the prosecutor files the complaint, everything before that is gone.
[26:14.100 --> 26:17.980]  It's as if they just flush all that down the toilet and they don't have to answer to it
[26:17.980 --> 26:18.980]  anymore.
[26:18.980 --> 26:19.980]  Yes.
[26:19.980 --> 26:22.980]  And Randy, I just spoke with Dan offline and he's going to hold so that we can go straight
[26:22.980 --> 26:23.980]  to Jacqueline.
[26:23.980 --> 26:24.980]  Okay, good.
[26:24.980 --> 26:25.980]  Jackie, you there?
[26:25.980 --> 26:26.980]  Hello?
[26:26.980 --> 26:27.980]  Jacqueline, you there?
[26:27.980 --> 26:28.980]  Yes, I am.
[26:28.980 --> 26:29.980]  Great.
[26:29.980 --> 26:30.980]  This is Jacqueline.
[26:30.980 --> 26:37.740]  Will you kind of tell us how this story went?
[26:37.740 --> 26:45.360]  Before she starts, the primary reason that I agreed to look at this was I got an email
[26:45.360 --> 26:51.120]  from Jackie and asked her for a narrative and everybody who listens to the show knows
[26:51.120 --> 26:53.820]  I'm always asking for a narrative.
[26:53.820 --> 26:56.740]  She sent me one.
[26:56.740 --> 27:03.500]  First piece of work anyone ever sent me.
[27:03.500 --> 27:04.500]  It had facts.
[27:04.500 --> 27:10.300]  It had all of the facts I needed with very little griping and whining, oh, they're mean
[27:10.300 --> 27:11.300]  to me.
[27:11.300 --> 27:12.300]  They torture me.
[27:12.300 --> 27:15.580]  And no outrageous crapola, just the facts, ma'am.
[27:15.580 --> 27:17.700]  It was very well done.
[27:17.700 --> 27:24.260]  I read that and I said this is somebody I can work with.
[27:24.260 --> 27:27.900]  So tell them from the beginning.
[27:27.900 --> 27:34.900]  Oh, boy, from the beginning, what happened was, well, me and my boyfriend, we're not
[27:34.900 --> 27:36.860]  really gamblers or drinkers.
[27:36.860 --> 27:38.460]  We never been to Vegas before.
[27:38.460 --> 27:45.460]  We were on a trip and two coupons for three nights stay at the Treasure Island Hotel.
[27:45.460 --> 27:49.660]  So instead of making the drive all the way back to our hometown in Los Angeles that night,
[27:49.660 --> 27:53.020]  we decided why not use the coupons and go to Vegas.
[27:53.020 --> 27:55.340]  So we went.
[27:55.340 --> 28:01.020]  We heard about this nifty little bar that was made out of ice in the Mandalay Bay Casino.
[28:01.020 --> 28:03.820]  So we decided to take a cab over there.
[28:03.820 --> 28:07.500]  And we went into the ice bar with our pink patrons and we decided to go downstairs to
[28:07.500 --> 28:09.420]  start gambling in the slots.
[28:09.420 --> 28:14.820]  And when we were moving from slot machine to slot machine, we saw this young girl getting
[28:14.820 --> 28:21.020]  brutally lifted up in the air and thrown onto the ground by about three uniformed men.
[28:21.020 --> 28:24.460]  It was obviously uncalled for, I mean, brutal violence.
[28:24.460 --> 28:30.260]  And my boyfriend said in a tone loud enough for them to hear, that looks like abuse.
[28:30.260 --> 28:35.160]  And one of the police officers glanced at him, but then went back to his business and
[28:35.160 --> 28:40.540]  continued to drag this girl by the hands and feet away at a site.
[28:40.540 --> 28:41.540]  So we continued.
[28:41.540 --> 28:42.540]  We went about our way.
[28:42.540 --> 28:49.620]  We continued gambling for about 30 or 45 minutes more when security guards and Metro police
[28:49.620 --> 28:54.020]  officers came up to us while we were playing the slot machines and said, we need to see
[28:54.020 --> 28:55.020]  your ID.
[28:55.020 --> 28:58.660]  So we gave it to them with no hesitation.
[28:58.660 --> 29:00.660]  And then they said, you need to follow us in the back room.
[29:00.660 --> 29:03.100]  And my boyfriend even asked, can I cash out my voucher?
[29:03.100 --> 29:06.140]  And he was yelled at, no, keep moving or something to that effect.
[29:06.140 --> 29:09.260]  We followed, totally complied, followed them in the back room.
[29:09.260 --> 29:13.100]  When we got in the back room, we saw the girl who was being thrown on the ground earlier
[29:13.100 --> 29:14.100]  in the casino floor.
[29:14.100 --> 29:20.660]  She was now tied by her hands and her feet in the corner of the room to a chair.
[29:20.660 --> 29:23.900]  I was asking this whole entire time, why am I back here?
[29:23.900 --> 29:25.060]  Why are you detaining us?
[29:25.060 --> 29:26.060]  They ignored me.
[29:26.060 --> 29:28.220]  They wouldn't answer any of my questions.
[29:28.220 --> 29:29.220]  Then they proceeded.
[29:29.220 --> 29:30.220]  They split up.
[29:30.220 --> 29:32.040]  They brought me to one corner of the room.
[29:32.040 --> 29:35.180]  Then they brought my boyfriend to the other corner of the room.
[29:35.180 --> 29:37.300]  And I kept asking, why am I here?
[29:37.300 --> 29:38.380]  This is ridiculous.
[29:38.380 --> 29:39.380]  They wouldn't answer my questions.
[29:39.380 --> 29:43.420]  And then I said, do you need to tell me we're here because my boyfriend tried to be a good
[29:43.420 --> 29:46.260]  Samaritan and stand up for this woman.
[29:46.260 --> 29:48.340]  And I'm a performer.
[29:48.340 --> 29:50.820]  I'm very expressive with my hands.
[29:50.820 --> 29:52.420]  And I pointed to the woman.
[29:52.420 --> 29:59.260]  And when I did so, about six of them literally attacked me as if I had a weapon or was going
[29:59.260 --> 30:02.140]  after someone in the room.
[30:02.140 --> 30:03.140]  They grabbed my arms.
[30:03.140 --> 30:04.140]  They spun me around.
[30:04.140 --> 30:05.140]  They put me against the wall.
[30:05.140 --> 30:10.820]  They started squeezing my arms together behind my back so hard that I pulled away for a moment.
[30:10.820 --> 30:15.820]  And at the same time that they did this, they turned my boyfriend around so his back was
[30:15.820 --> 30:17.200]  facing towards me.
[30:17.200 --> 30:18.700]  They put him in handcuffs.
[30:18.700 --> 30:21.260]  And he said, why are you putting me in handcuffs?
[30:21.260 --> 30:25.020]  Through which they replied, we know the nature of the male.
[30:25.020 --> 30:26.860]  But he did not resist.
[30:26.860 --> 30:28.340]  Let them do their thing.
[30:28.340 --> 30:32.060]  So like I said, I began to pull away because they were seriously hurting my wrist.
[30:32.060 --> 30:35.740]  I'm a five foot four hundred and thirteen pound woman.
[30:35.740 --> 30:37.820]  And they said, now you're resisting arrest.
[30:37.820 --> 30:39.540]  And I said, resisting arrest?
[30:39.540 --> 30:40.540]  For what?
[30:40.540 --> 30:42.980]  For a little perturbs, mind you.
[30:42.980 --> 30:48.900]  And I said, you need to lighten your grip on my wrist then because you're about to break
[30:48.900 --> 30:49.900]  my wrist.
[30:49.900 --> 30:55.460]  To which, I mean I said it in a disgruntled tone, I was not very happy, to which he squeezed
[30:55.460 --> 30:57.940]  them together even harder.
[30:57.940 --> 30:59.860]  I have bruises on my wrist.
[30:59.860 --> 31:04.500]  He actually fractured my carpal navicular bone is what it's called and I had to go to the
[31:04.500 --> 31:05.500]  hospital afterwards.
[31:05.500 --> 31:07.820]  I got x-rays, yada, yada, yada.
[31:07.820 --> 31:13.180]  So he squeezed my arms together harder in reaction to the pain.
[31:13.180 --> 31:17.460]  They were all behind me, but I flailed my leg, I kicked, behind me.
[31:17.460 --> 31:20.740]  I made contact with one of the officers apparently in the knee.
[31:20.740 --> 31:24.460]  So then to that one of them said, well that's the battery of an officer.
[31:24.460 --> 31:30.740]  And then the one officer lifted me up the same way he did to the girl in my shirt, threw
[31:30.740 --> 31:31.740]  me to the ground.
[31:31.740 --> 31:35.900]  A bunch of them, about ten of them, there was about fifteen in the room, ten of them
[31:35.900 --> 31:36.900]  all had sway.
[31:36.900 --> 31:38.220]  I don't know, I blacked out.
[31:38.220 --> 31:39.900]  I don't really know what happened.
[31:39.900 --> 31:43.100]  They were tossing me around, throwing me around on the ground.
[31:43.100 --> 31:47.900]  And the next thing I knew, I was getting dragged out to a cop car and I was hog-tied by my
[31:47.900 --> 31:48.900]  hands and my feet.
[31:48.900 --> 31:52.860]  They called me obscenities, they called me a fucking animal, excuse my language, you
[31:52.860 --> 31:56.700]  know, on the air, and a whole bunch of other things.
[31:56.700 --> 32:03.300]  And then I waited in the car for about thirty minutes, they searched through all of our
[32:03.300 --> 32:04.300]  stuff, they didn't find anything.
[32:04.300 --> 32:08.540]  My boyfriend heard them say, so what are we doing, trespassing?
[32:08.540 --> 32:14.140]  So then they, one of the casino security guards stuck her head in the cop car and read me
[32:14.140 --> 32:19.900]  a thing accusing me of trespassing, which I said no, I do not agree to that.
[32:19.900 --> 32:22.860]  And then they read it to my boyfriend and said that they would not release him unless
[32:22.860 --> 32:23.860]  he signed.
[32:23.860 --> 32:26.980]  So he signed this thing saying that we were trespassing, but we should have receipts
[32:26.980 --> 32:31.220]  that we were paying customers, and told him that they were taking me to the Clark County
[32:31.220 --> 32:36.860]  Detention Center, downtown Las Vegas, which I was booked for, originally this is what
[32:36.860 --> 32:45.180]  I was booked for, battery of an officer, battery by a prisoner, resisting arrest, and obstruction.
[32:45.180 --> 32:51.860]  Now my boyfriend went directly to the jail, the bail for all these charges was $4,400.
[32:51.860 --> 32:56.820]  He was told that if he paid the full amount in cash in person, that I would get out in
[32:56.820 --> 33:00.660]  about four to six hours, opposed to paying a percentage, which is an option, you can
[33:00.660 --> 33:06.620]  do that, or going through a bail bondsman, where I may be in there for 24 to 48 hours.
[33:06.620 --> 33:12.580]  So of course my boyfriend had the money immediately wire transferred, paid it within an hour.
[33:12.580 --> 33:17.260]  While I was inside, in the second processing room, there's many different things that you
[33:17.260 --> 33:19.580]  have to go through in being booked.
[33:19.580 --> 33:23.140]  One of the processes, you get a medical evaluation.
[33:23.140 --> 33:28.060]  During my, I saw people coming back with shots, they had been getting injections.
[33:28.060 --> 33:33.620]  One girl told me that they gave her BM, because she said that she had bipolar disease, which
[33:33.620 --> 33:37.100]  set off a huge red flag in my mind, and then other people said that they had come back
[33:37.100 --> 33:39.980]  with tuberculosis vaccinations.
[33:39.980 --> 33:43.060]  And then I talked to other women that were booked the day before that said that they
[33:43.060 --> 33:44.520]  didn't have to take any shot at all.
[33:44.520 --> 33:48.540]  So I was very concerned when I, by the time I got to my medical evaluation, the woman
[33:48.540 --> 33:52.100]  said to me, well, standard procedure, we have to give you a tuberculosis shot.
[33:52.100 --> 33:57.340]  I said, absolutely not, it's against my personal belief, my religion, I know that I'm getting
[33:57.340 --> 33:59.580]  out of here, I've already been bailed out.
[33:59.580 --> 34:04.140]  Oh, well, you're being difficult then, we may have to put you in solitary and in a mask.
[34:04.140 --> 34:08.060]  I said, you could put me in an astronaut suit, I don't care, I'm not taking that shot.
[34:08.060 --> 34:13.900]  So they put me in the corner of the room in a mask.
[34:13.900 --> 34:17.380]  They also took away all my warm clothes, they turned down the temperature there, so it's
[34:17.380 --> 34:21.700]  freezing, and then when I asked if I could please at least have my tights or my long
[34:21.700 --> 34:26.980]  cleaved shirt or a jail-issued pants or long cleaved shirt, they yelled at me, so I'm freezing
[34:26.980 --> 34:30.620]  in a mask in the corner of the room, I sat in that chair in the same chair.
[34:30.620 --> 34:34.180]  Wait, wait, Jacqueline, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I just want to ask you, what is a
[34:34.180 --> 34:35.180]  mask?
[34:35.180 --> 34:36.180]  It's a long story, I apologize.
[34:36.180 --> 34:38.140]  No, no, no, no, no, I want you to tell the whole story, I just want you to explain what
[34:38.140 --> 34:40.420]  a mask is.
[34:40.420 --> 34:46.460]  It's like a particle mask, you know, like when you're, you don't want to be, you know,
[34:46.460 --> 34:47.460]  like a painter's mask.
[34:47.460 --> 34:48.460]  Oh, kind of like...
[34:48.460 --> 34:50.460]  A fit mask or whatever.
[34:50.460 --> 34:53.020]  Like a surgeon's mask would wear to keep germs out.
[34:53.020 --> 34:56.940]  Exactly, like a mask that goes over your nose and mouth, because at that point, I was considering
[34:56.940 --> 34:57.940]  it contaminated.
[34:57.940 --> 34:58.940]  Oh, okay.
[34:58.940 --> 34:59.940]  Okay, okay.
[34:59.940 --> 35:00.940]  Yeah.
[35:00.940 --> 35:01.940]  Yes, yes.
[35:01.940 --> 35:02.940]  So...
[35:02.940 --> 35:03.940]  So continue.
[35:03.940 --> 35:08.820]  So I'm forced to sit in this chair with the mask on.
[35:08.820 --> 35:13.100]  Now usually the booking process, from what I understand, takes no more than 10 to 12
[35:13.100 --> 35:18.340]  hours, but because it was Christmas time and they were fully booked and there was no biohazard
[35:18.340 --> 35:26.900]  rooms available, I sat in the corner in that room in the same chair for 36 hours at times
[35:26.900 --> 35:32.380]  they refused me to drink water, to go to the fountain to drink water, saying that I would
[35:32.380 --> 35:34.460]  infect the fountain.
[35:34.460 --> 35:39.060]  They refused my phone call saying that I would infect the telephone.
[35:39.060 --> 35:44.980]  At times I was even, depending on which guard was there, because it seems like a game for
[35:44.980 --> 35:49.860]  them to be as nasty as they can be to the prisoners, some of them wouldn't even let
[35:49.860 --> 35:53.980]  me use the bathroom, which is a whole other thing.
[35:53.980 --> 35:59.420]  And so when my boyfriend kept going back to inquire why I hadn't been released yet, they
[35:59.420 --> 36:05.140]  even told him, well, you know, she's being difficult, she's refusing to take her TB shot,
[36:05.140 --> 36:08.740]  so her paperwork could get lost.
[36:08.740 --> 36:15.780]  So I sat in that chair for 36 hours and then finally they moved me to a biohazard room
[36:15.780 --> 36:20.740]  the next day and they made me infect it myself with my hands.
[36:20.740 --> 36:25.940]  They told me that the gentleman in there before had some infection that was never diagnosed
[36:25.940 --> 36:26.940]  nor cured.
[36:26.940 --> 36:34.620]  There was many other things that happened during the, I spent a total of 48 hours in
[36:34.620 --> 36:38.900]  the prison, I guess the maximum amount of time that they could have held me for.
[36:38.900 --> 36:44.180]  But there was a lot of ways that they humiliated me and really without overstating it, traumatized
[36:44.180 --> 36:45.180]  me in the jail.
[36:45.180 --> 36:46.500]  I think they go out of their way to do that.
[36:46.500 --> 36:48.500]  So that's basically the story, long-winded.
[36:48.500 --> 36:53.060]  But that's it.
[36:53.060 --> 36:58.420]  Those are all good items, we're going to get to kick their behinds over this.
[36:58.420 --> 37:03.500]  And that was the point, that was something I hadn't gotten before was that the total
[37:03.500 --> 37:06.300]  time they held you was 48 hours.
[37:06.300 --> 37:14.780]  Yeah, it may have been shy, maybe like a few, you know, it may have been like a 44 or something
[37:14.780 --> 37:15.780]  like that.
[37:15.780 --> 37:16.780]  I think that it was.
[37:16.780 --> 37:25.380]  But when I was arrested in Williamson County, they held me 23 hours and the time limit in
[37:25.380 --> 37:29.340]  Texas is 24 hours before getting before a magistrate.
[37:29.340 --> 37:33.740]  So they timed it real careful and it will show that way.
[37:33.740 --> 37:40.900]  Okay, but Jaclyn, they never forced you to take the vaccination, right?
[37:40.900 --> 37:48.340]  Well, over the course of the, however, 40 hours I was there or whatever, about every
[37:48.340 --> 37:54.060]  hour or so, someone new would come up to me with the shot and it would actually say things
[37:54.060 --> 37:59.260]  like, one gentleman said to me, we know that your bail money's already been posted, it's
[37:59.260 --> 38:02.180]  up to you how fast you get out of here.
[38:02.180 --> 38:05.660]  Another nurse said, it's up to you, this can go fast or slow.
[38:05.660 --> 38:08.900]  They were basically all implying that Meyers-Usel of the shot was...
[38:08.900 --> 38:11.860]  But at one point I was...
[38:11.860 --> 38:12.860]  But they never forced it.
[38:12.860 --> 38:13.860]  No, I never took it.
[38:13.860 --> 38:14.860]  Okay.
[38:14.860 --> 38:18.620]  But what I'm saying is they didn't like hold you down and stick it in your body.
[38:18.620 --> 38:19.620]  Okay, good.
[38:19.620 --> 38:20.620]  No.
[38:20.620 --> 38:21.620]  Thank God of that.
[38:21.620 --> 38:22.620]  Yeah.
[38:22.620 --> 38:23.620]  Oh yeah.
[38:23.620 --> 38:24.620]  I don't, who knows what's in that thing.
[38:24.620 --> 38:27.940]  Oh, it's strictly poison vaccinations.
[38:27.940 --> 38:30.540]  All vaccinations are nothing but strictly poison.
[38:30.540 --> 38:31.540]  They're horrible.
[38:31.540 --> 38:34.900]  Well, yeah, it's a dead cell of the virus, which it does.
[38:34.900 --> 38:38.500]  It goes against my personal belief and I knew that it was my right to refuse, but...
[38:38.500 --> 38:43.100]  If it was only the dead cell of the virus, it would be bad enough.
[38:43.100 --> 38:47.780]  Yeah, I know, but there's mercury, there's formaldehyde, there's all kinds of...
[38:47.780 --> 38:51.060]  It's just awful what's in all these vaccinations.
[38:51.060 --> 38:52.060]  Yeah.
[38:52.060 --> 38:53.860]  Horrible, horrible things, deadly.
[38:53.860 --> 38:55.540]  Yeah, I agree.
[38:55.540 --> 38:56.620]  I absolutely agree.
[38:56.620 --> 39:01.300]  I wonder why they were so intent on wanting to make all these...
[39:01.300 --> 39:02.300]  This is a city jail.
[39:02.300 --> 39:03.300]  Is this right?
[39:03.300 --> 39:04.300]  Municipal jail?
[39:04.300 --> 39:08.700]  It's, I don't know, Clark County Detention Center.
[39:08.700 --> 39:09.700]  Clark County?
[39:09.700 --> 39:14.340]  I'm wondering here why they're so intent on making these people take these vaccinations.
[39:14.340 --> 39:15.340]  And I think...
[39:15.340 --> 39:16.340]  I have a theory.
[39:16.340 --> 39:17.340]  I think I know what the reason is.
[39:17.340 --> 39:18.340]  I think it's money.
[39:18.340 --> 39:19.340]  They get paid.
[39:19.340 --> 39:20.340]  I think it's money off of every shot.
[39:20.340 --> 39:21.340]  They get paid.
[39:21.340 --> 39:25.940]  They get subsidized by the pharmaceutical companies and probably the state government
[39:25.940 --> 39:29.540]  and the federal government for every shot they dish out.
[39:29.540 --> 39:30.540]  That's what's going on.
[39:30.540 --> 39:31.540]  I agree.
[39:31.540 --> 39:32.540]  That's what I think.
[39:32.540 --> 39:38.260]  That may be right because one of the things I found in Nevada was surprising.
[39:38.260 --> 39:44.820]  Wednesday, when I was working over the clerks, they were getting pretty tense.
[39:44.820 --> 39:50.460]  And I asserted that this was all about money.
[39:50.460 --> 39:53.460]  And he said, well, not really.
[39:53.460 --> 39:56.700]  So we generally come up about 40%.
[39:56.700 --> 40:02.180]  The money we produce in fines generally comes up about 40% short every year.
[40:02.180 --> 40:03.940]  And I thought, that's a bunch of crap, Ola.
[40:03.940 --> 40:04.940]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[40:04.940 --> 40:08.860]  The money they produce in fines comes up 40% short.
[40:08.860 --> 40:09.860]  Short of what?
[40:09.860 --> 40:11.620]  Short of their operating costs.
[40:11.620 --> 40:12.620]  Oh, okay.
[40:12.620 --> 40:14.900]  I was thinking short of some quota or something.
[40:14.900 --> 40:17.700]  I accuse it of being a profit engine.
[40:17.700 --> 40:18.700]  And he said, oh no.
[40:18.700 --> 40:19.700]  So we come about 40% short.
[40:19.700 --> 40:20.700]  No, whatever.
[40:20.700 --> 40:22.180]  And I thought that was a bunch of crap.
[40:22.180 --> 40:23.180]  It is.
[40:23.180 --> 40:26.060]  Then I went and looked at some files.
[40:26.060 --> 40:32.260]  One is arrested in a casino for prostitution.
[40:32.260 --> 40:33.260]  She's taken to jail.
[40:33.260 --> 40:42.140]  She goes to court, pleads guilty, $75 fine, $25 court cost.
[40:42.140 --> 40:47.180]  Everything was like $86.
[40:47.180 --> 40:54.620]  And in another one for prostitution, 20 hours of community service and don't get in any
[40:54.620 --> 41:02.300]  more trouble, a ticket, guy gets a traffic ticket, $25 fine.
[41:02.300 --> 41:05.460]  Everything was like 68 bucks.
[41:05.460 --> 41:09.900]  In Texas, it starts at 250.
[41:09.900 --> 41:14.820]  If you plead guilty and growl before the court, you may get it down to 250.
[41:14.820 --> 41:19.180]  Otherwise you can expect 500 bucks for a ticket.
[41:19.180 --> 41:20.620]  So they may be right.
[41:20.620 --> 41:25.380]  This may not be about money.
[41:25.380 --> 41:29.720]  And all of these things I'm finding are not about making money.
[41:29.720 --> 41:34.060]  It's about the prosecutor being able to clear his docket.
[41:34.060 --> 41:35.500]  I know it's about money too.
[41:35.500 --> 41:36.500]  They're losing.
[41:36.500 --> 41:41.180]  I couldn't believe that the fines are so cheap.
[41:41.180 --> 41:44.940]  So what accounts for this?
[41:44.940 --> 41:49.380]  Everybody I talked to had the same story about the Las Vegas police.
[41:49.380 --> 41:55.460]  When I was checking out, the woman checking me out, a month ago they arrested her and
[41:55.460 --> 41:57.220]  beat the crap out of her.
[41:57.220 --> 41:58.220]  What's this deal?
[41:58.220 --> 41:59.220]  Okay.
[41:59.220 --> 42:00.660]  I have a couple of comments here.
[42:00.660 --> 42:01.660]  Okay.
[42:01.660 --> 42:06.300]  Number one, I know it is about money and Randy, you know from Michael Bidder's show and other
[42:06.300 --> 42:12.740]  people who deal with commercial law, the courts and the jail systems, the court system especially
[42:12.740 --> 42:18.820]  makes all kinds of money on a different level other than just the fines that they collect.
[42:18.820 --> 42:21.260]  That's a dog and pony show.
[42:21.260 --> 42:22.540]  It is about money.
[42:22.540 --> 42:23.540]  Okay.
[42:23.540 --> 42:28.700]  They get money on bonds and there's all kinds of things going on, paperwork that's traded
[42:28.700 --> 42:30.980]  on a different market in the commercial realm.
[42:30.980 --> 42:32.820]  It is about money.
[42:32.820 --> 42:38.020]  Them collecting fines, that's just a dog and pony show.
[42:38.020 --> 42:39.660]  That's not where they get their real money.
[42:39.660 --> 42:42.220]  But I have another question now.
[42:42.220 --> 42:43.220]  Okay.
[42:43.220 --> 42:44.220]  What's the deal with the women?
[42:44.220 --> 42:45.220]  Okay.
[42:45.220 --> 42:50.500]  I've heard a lot of stories about them beating up guys and holding them.
[42:50.500 --> 42:54.740]  Why are they targeting females here?
[42:54.740 --> 42:57.300]  That was my question.
[42:57.300 --> 43:03.140]  I didn't have one male make that accusation, but all the females did.
[43:03.140 --> 43:05.620]  Are they raping the girls?
[43:05.620 --> 43:06.620]  No, no.
[43:06.620 --> 43:07.620]  I hadn't heard that.
[43:07.620 --> 43:08.620]  They're just beating them up?
[43:08.620 --> 43:09.780]  Just beating the crap out of them.
[43:09.780 --> 43:10.780]  What's up with that?
[43:10.780 --> 43:11.780]  I don't know.
[43:11.780 --> 43:12.780]  Maybe it's a...
[43:12.780 --> 43:13.780]  Randy, do you have a theory on that?
[43:13.780 --> 43:14.780]  I'm curious.
[43:14.780 --> 43:18.500]  Yeah, I have a theory on that.
[43:18.500 --> 43:19.780]  Maybe it's psychological.
[43:19.780 --> 43:25.980]  Maybe they think that they can pick it on somebody that's not their size, that they
[43:25.980 --> 43:30.020]  can get the woman to give in easier or something than a man.
[43:30.020 --> 43:32.300]  And a man will come back after them later.
[43:32.300 --> 43:33.300]  Okay, listen.
[43:33.300 --> 43:34.300]  We're going to break.
[43:34.300 --> 43:35.300]  We're going to break.
[43:35.300 --> 43:36.300]  Jacqueline, hold on.
[43:36.300 --> 43:40.220]  Dan, if you want to hold on too, we're going to finish this on the other side.
[43:40.220 --> 43:43.300]  It's the rule of law on Rule of Law Radio.
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[46:02.580 --> 46:17.260]  Aint gonna drop me with that same old sucker punch
[46:17.260 --> 46:22.220]  I get it now, but then I must have it now too much
[46:22.220 --> 46:27.300]  Back then you had room to move, but now you're feeling the grudge
[46:27.300 --> 46:52.300]  Aint gonna get me with that same old sucker punch
[46:52.300 --> 46:57.300]  Aint gonna please me with that same old dance and song
[46:57.300 --> 47:02.540]  You thought you were right, but now you got it all wrong
[47:02.540 --> 47:07.380]  It was a weak moment for me, but I had the power all along
[47:07.380 --> 47:36.140]  Aint gonna please me with that same old dance and song
[47:36.140 --> 47:43.820]  All right, we are back, the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on Rule of
[47:43.820 --> 47:48.500]  Law Radio, ruleoflawradio.com, our very own network.
[47:48.500 --> 47:53.020]  We started it ourselves, I built the whole thing with my own bare hands, I plugged in
[47:53.020 --> 47:55.940]  every cable, I built all the computers, I did everything.
[47:55.940 --> 48:02.460]  So if you want something done right, I guess you just gotta do it yourself, okay?
[48:02.460 --> 48:05.620]  She really did do it all herself, she wouldn't even allow me to supervise.
[48:05.620 --> 48:09.300]  No, I had to kick them out of the studio many times.
[48:09.300 --> 48:16.740]  Okay, so we've got Dan Real, Dan if you could just hang in the wings another segment or
[48:16.740 --> 48:17.740]  so.
[48:17.740 --> 48:23.420]  Callers, I know that you have probably questions for our guests and questions concerning your
[48:23.420 --> 48:24.420]  own issues.
[48:24.420 --> 48:31.100]  If you could just hold off for a while, give us like another at least half hour, 45 minutes
[48:31.100 --> 48:32.220]  or so with our guests.
[48:32.220 --> 48:37.140]  I'm gonna leave the phone lines on so if you wanna go ahead and get yourself in the queue
[48:37.140 --> 48:41.140]  because you know how it goes on this show, I mean the callers start stacking up towards
[48:41.140 --> 48:44.980]  the end and then we spend a lot of time with all our callers.
[48:44.980 --> 48:49.360]  So you can call in if you want or you can wait but we're probably not gonna take any
[48:49.360 --> 48:51.540]  calls for at least another half hour, 45 minutes.
[48:51.540 --> 48:57.300]  Okay, back to Jacqueline and the question of the hour, why are they picking on the women?
[48:57.300 --> 49:02.180]  Do they think that we're weak or something or that we're not gonna go back after them?
[49:02.180 --> 49:08.300]  Or that they think they're gonna get us to give in quicker, we'll take the vaccine
[49:08.300 --> 49:13.820]  because they're gonna break our spirit or something more easily than they could a man?
[49:13.820 --> 49:19.540]  I'm sorry but hell has no fury like a woman's scorn, I mean give me a break, I mean they're
[49:19.540 --> 49:22.860]  picking on the wrong gender here I would say.
[49:22.860 --> 49:29.340]  They mentioned their concern earlier when they cuffed the boyfriend and said we understand
[49:29.340 --> 49:30.340]  the male.
[49:30.340 --> 49:34.940]  There's a big clue right there.
[49:34.940 --> 49:39.100]  They planned on being the crap out of you and they knew when they started that he's
[49:39.100 --> 49:42.740]  likely to be on them and he might actually hurt one of them.
[49:42.740 --> 49:44.500]  Okay so why are they beating up women?
[49:44.500 --> 49:50.100]  Why are they committing violence and breaking little girls wrists?
[49:50.100 --> 49:57.340]  I mean I'm about 5'5 and I weigh 110 pounds myself so Jacqueline I've seen your picture,
[49:57.340 --> 50:02.220]  you know we're both brunettes so I mean hey you know I understand, I mean I could just
[50:02.220 --> 50:06.620]  imagine what you went through, it must have been horrible.
[50:06.620 --> 50:14.340]  These guys know that with women they're not gonna get hurt and for the most part if they
[50:14.340 --> 50:20.500]  traumatize a woman, the woman is not gonna come back for more.
[50:20.500 --> 50:27.500]  If they traumatize a man, they do this to a man, they're likely to get themselves a
[50:27.500 --> 50:31.340]  fight and that's exactly what that guy meant when he understood the male temperament.
[50:31.340 --> 50:34.140]  Oh they're gonna get a fight from the women too.
[50:34.140 --> 50:37.940]  Well that's what they're about to get.
[50:37.940 --> 50:42.140]  I think that we know the nature of the male was, we know the nature that if a male sees
[50:42.140 --> 50:45.540]  his girlfriend getting beat up that he's gonna want to beat up the people that are beating
[50:45.540 --> 50:46.540]  up his girlfriend.
[50:46.540 --> 50:47.540]  Yes.
[50:47.540 --> 50:52.020]  And they didn't want to have to fight with him, they didn't mind fighting with you and
[50:52.020 --> 50:56.740]  you said, you mentioned earlier that they seemed to be training this guy.
[50:56.740 --> 51:03.380]  Yes, on my thing and I remember hearing them giving him some direction, the guy, the cop
[51:03.380 --> 51:07.860]  name who was on the report, he was apparently a school employee because it says battery
[51:07.860 --> 51:12.500]  of a police officer slash school employee and I remember when they were behind me it seemed
[51:12.500 --> 51:17.100]  like they were directing him like what to do.
[51:17.100 --> 51:21.260]  Okay, Jacqueline, I have some other questions for you.
[51:21.260 --> 51:30.700]  Okay, they broke your wrist, they beat you up, did you have, when you had any medical
[51:30.700 --> 51:35.620]  attention for this, did you receive any medical attention for it inside the jail?
[51:35.620 --> 51:37.620]  No, I did not.
[51:37.620 --> 51:41.900]  Okay, because I was thinking maybe they're beating people up so that they can put them
[51:41.900 --> 51:45.820]  in jail and then have the jail doctors treat them so they can make money that way.
[51:45.820 --> 51:50.420]  No, when I got, you get two medical evaluations because there's two processing rooms and
[51:50.420 --> 51:57.700]  the first one, I think it's a general psychological medical evaluation and then she says, were
[51:57.700 --> 52:01.980]  you injured prior to this incident was the question, I thought it was interesting.
[52:01.980 --> 52:07.420]  I said no, but I'm injured now because of the cops and to that she laughs.
[52:07.420 --> 52:11.380]  So I think she thought it was a joke, I don't really know.
[52:11.380 --> 52:18.820]  It seems to be, from what I can tell, it seems to be a pattern and these kinds of institutions,
[52:18.820 --> 52:26.600]  if they're unchecked, will tend to take on a character and these, this institution seems
[52:26.600 --> 52:34.540]  to have taken on a character of being abusive to women, it's like the bully in the high
[52:34.540 --> 52:35.540]  school parking lot.
[52:35.540 --> 52:40.620]  There's got to be a reason for it though, I mean, it can't just be they're shoving
[52:40.620 --> 52:45.020]  us pigs or redneck hicks or something that like to beat up on women.
[52:45.020 --> 52:54.220]  I mean, this is a major, well, I think it's a psychological thing and I want to have open
[52:54.220 --> 53:03.020]  records request or something to find out how much money they get for every vaccine that
[53:03.020 --> 53:08.620]  they force on these prisoners because I'm starting to wonder if this may be the crux
[53:08.620 --> 53:16.340]  of the whole issue, beat up the chicks to psychologically break them down, to traumatize
[53:16.340 --> 53:20.260]  them emotionally, physically, break them down psychologically.
[53:20.260 --> 53:25.160]  So they'll just do whatever it takes just to stop the pain, stop the torture, get me
[53:25.160 --> 53:26.160]  out of here.
[53:26.160 --> 53:31.140]  Okay, I'll take the vaccine because it wouldn't surprise me.
[53:31.140 --> 53:35.540]  It would not surprise me one bit if they got thousands of dollars for each one of those
[53:35.540 --> 53:37.900]  vaccines, really.
[53:37.900 --> 53:42.020]  So I think that we need to follow the money, okay?
[53:42.020 --> 53:45.820]  You want to know why, the answers to all these questions, follow the money, we got to follow
[53:45.820 --> 53:46.820]  the money.
[53:46.820 --> 53:57.460]  I'm thinking I don't find these guys that sophisticated, it would be better if it was
[53:57.460 --> 53:58.460]  that sophisticated.
[53:58.460 --> 54:01.980]  Well, let's look at their training, Randy.
[54:01.980 --> 54:05.340]  Let's look at the curriculum of their training, okay?
[54:05.340 --> 54:10.240]  Let's have open records requests for their training because, see, all right, I agree
[54:10.240 --> 54:14.860]  with you, the guys at the bottom, they may not be that sophisticated.
[54:14.860 --> 54:19.720]  They may be jackbooted thugs with an IQ of about 50 or whatever, okay?
[54:19.720 --> 54:26.060]  But I'm telling you, there's people at the top running this show and setting this agenda
[54:26.060 --> 54:32.120]  and training them to do this and the people at the top have an agenda and there's a reason
[54:32.120 --> 54:33.780]  for it.
[54:33.780 --> 54:36.060]  And the guys at the bottom, they just don't care.
[54:36.060 --> 54:40.020]  They just do what they're told and they're just all pumped up full of testosterone and
[54:40.020 --> 54:44.300]  agenda and, yeah, let's beat up on some chicks, rah, rah, rah, you know, and they think it's
[54:44.300 --> 54:46.940]  okay because their boss told them to.
[54:46.940 --> 54:49.980]  But there's a reason the boss told them to and I'm going to find out what it is.
[54:49.980 --> 54:57.140]  I don't think the boss had to tell them to because those officers who have personal dignity
[54:57.140 --> 55:00.860]  would not do these things and they hit the road.
[55:00.860 --> 55:06.620]  So they wind up adhering to the law of crudulence.
[55:06.620 --> 55:13.760]  Crud sinks to the top and the only ones who hang around are the ones who are similar to
[55:13.760 --> 55:16.260]  what's already there.
[55:16.260 --> 55:23.860]  Organizations develop a character and clearly the character goes to management.
[55:23.860 --> 55:28.980]  But whatever management will tolerate, that's what they'll do.
[55:28.980 --> 55:32.380]  It appears as though management just simply doesn't care.
[55:32.380 --> 55:37.060]  So we're going to try to help them care.
[55:37.060 --> 55:46.180]  One of the things, it's something I didn't get to, is they're going to an all, a paperless
[55:46.180 --> 55:47.180]  court system.
[55:47.180 --> 55:52.420]  You're going to like this, Deb.
[55:52.420 --> 56:01.100]  When I went to see Jacqueline's documents, they said, well, I had to wait in line for
[56:01.100 --> 56:03.700]  three hours.
[56:03.700 --> 56:08.100]  And you go in, take a number and I stood there for three hours.
[56:08.100 --> 56:13.140]  And when I finally get up to the clerk, he checks and he said, well, you can't see those,
[56:13.140 --> 56:16.980]  they're out for scanning.
[56:16.980 --> 56:21.100]  I was not happy camper.
[56:21.100 --> 56:22.740]  I got my whole day messing with these guys.
[56:22.740 --> 56:27.260]  The next day I come there and that was the justice court.
[56:27.260 --> 56:29.980]  Justice court handles all misdemeanors.
[56:29.980 --> 56:36.020]  And then I went to the district court and wanted to see the last 10 cases filed in the
[56:36.020 --> 56:37.020]  court.
[56:37.020 --> 56:38.020]  And it's where you can get the file.
[56:38.020 --> 56:39.020]  You can check it on the computer.
[56:39.020 --> 56:42.540]  I said, no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand.
[56:42.540 --> 56:47.700]  I need to see the actual physical file.
[56:47.700 --> 56:54.780]  And they said, well, we're going to an all paperless court, so there won't be any actual
[56:54.780 --> 56:55.780]  physical file.
[56:55.780 --> 56:58.420]  Yeah, there are.
[56:58.420 --> 57:00.620]  People actually file physical paperwork.
[57:00.620 --> 57:02.260]  I want to see it.
[57:02.260 --> 57:04.420]  Well, you can't get that.
[57:04.420 --> 57:07.260]  Yes, ma'am, I can get that.
[57:07.260 --> 57:10.460]  Well, we just can't get it to you.
[57:10.460 --> 57:13.100]  We don't have the staffing.
[57:13.100 --> 57:16.260]  Your problem, not my problem.
[57:16.260 --> 57:18.100]  I read your open records requirement.
[57:18.100 --> 57:20.420]  If I ask for it, you got to get it.
[57:20.420 --> 57:25.020]  And I'm not concerned about your staffing requirements.
[57:25.020 --> 57:27.660]  And then we got into more detail.
[57:27.660 --> 57:30.380]  She said, well, everything's in the computer.
[57:30.380 --> 57:31.580]  Okay.
[57:31.580 --> 57:39.820]  So you can certify that if I look at that docket sheet that you have in the computer,
[57:39.820 --> 57:44.260]  that that is everything that has ever been filed in this case.
[57:44.260 --> 57:46.180]  Oh no, I couldn't do that.
[57:46.180 --> 57:48.900]  Well, why couldn't you?
[57:48.900 --> 57:52.940]  Well, some things might not be logged.
[57:52.940 --> 57:56.460]  So you're telling me that you have no idea what's been filed in a case.
[57:56.460 --> 57:59.420]  Oh yeah, we have everything should be here somewhere.
[57:59.420 --> 58:00.420]  Somewhere.
[58:00.420 --> 58:03.420]  So, well, it's all in the computer.
[58:03.420 --> 58:08.460]  I said, no, it's all in little electrons floating around in the ether.
[58:08.460 --> 58:09.460]  Not good enough.
[58:09.460 --> 58:12.740]  No, it's all on paper in a file somewhere.
[58:12.740 --> 58:13.740]  Go get it.
[58:13.740 --> 58:18.700]  And so what I said was, so you have all this in the computer.
[58:18.700 --> 58:19.820]  How do you know it's accurate?
[58:19.820 --> 58:21.100]  Well, we have security.
[58:21.100 --> 58:22.100]  Oh boy.
[58:22.100 --> 58:23.100]  Give me a break.
[58:23.100 --> 58:28.180]  I know about six guys who can walk through your security in about five minutes.
[58:28.180 --> 58:35.140]  So if I look at your document, a document in there, can you be certain that no one has
[58:35.140 --> 58:41.820]  pulled up that document in the form of electrons and made all sorts of really interesting alterations
[58:41.820 --> 58:43.700]  to it and put it back?
[58:43.700 --> 58:50.380]  And you absolutely certified that no one has made up documents and slipped a few electrons
[58:50.380 --> 58:54.660]  in there to show a document that hadn't been in there because I'm looking for documents
[58:54.660 --> 58:57.260]  I expect to be missing.
[58:57.260 --> 59:01.180]  And when I find that they're missing, what I expect you to do and what I've had people
[59:01.180 --> 59:07.500]  to do in the past is run around and create the documents and slide them into the folders.
[59:07.500 --> 59:12.580]  I even caught the federal court in New York turning their little, they use a, they got
[59:12.580 --> 59:17.180]  an electronic stamp and a hand stamp, turning their hand stamp back, caught them red handed.
[59:17.180 --> 59:18.180]  Oh my gosh.
[59:18.180 --> 59:22.100]  The date stamper, they were turning the little wheel to change the date.
[59:22.100 --> 59:23.100]  Oh boy.
[59:23.100 --> 59:25.740]  This is a federal court in New York.
[59:25.740 --> 59:29.420]  They've got an electronic stamp right there and they're using this little hand stamp.
[59:29.420 --> 59:31.420]  Oh my gosh.
[59:31.420 --> 59:42.020]  This was with Moe and he caught them red handed because he had a certified copy of the file
[59:42.020 --> 59:45.300]  and he comes back and looks at the file and it's different.
[59:45.300 --> 59:52.460]  It's got a document stamped in there, a date older than the date on his certified copy.
[59:52.460 --> 59:56.260]  Well, Bubba, how do you reckon that happened?
[59:56.260 --> 59:57.260]  Oh boy.
[59:57.260 --> 59:58.260]  Somebody could go to prison over that one.
[59:58.260 --> 01:00:03.340]  We pointed that out and it got real interesting in there really fast.
[01:00:03.340 --> 01:00:05.500]  This was my concern.
[01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:09.260]  So I didn't tell them what I was looking for.
[01:00:09.260 --> 01:00:13.420]  The original criminal complaint and all the documents used by the magistrate to make the
[01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:16.980]  probable cause determination that he was required to forward to the clerk of the court that's
[01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:19.580]  not in there.
[01:00:19.580 --> 01:00:23.580]  So with their system, there's no way of telling.
[01:00:23.580 --> 01:00:29.220]  They can't tell you that every document that's been filed is in this computer.
[01:00:29.220 --> 01:00:31.960]  Well, maybe it hasn't been logged yet.
[01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.020]  That's why you need a paper file.
[01:00:34.020 --> 01:00:38.300]  Well, Randy, the reality is they have to have a paper file.
[01:00:38.300 --> 01:00:45.220]  They can do this electronic logging all they want for documentation purposes or for reference
[01:00:45.220 --> 01:00:46.220]  purposes.
[01:00:46.220 --> 01:00:49.980]  But the reality of the situation is there is a paper file.
[01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:56.540]  There has to be because people go into the clerk of the court and they put down a motion
[01:00:56.540 --> 01:01:01.340]  on paper and the clerk stamps it, copies it, you get a copy.
[01:01:01.340 --> 01:01:04.220]  That piece of paper has to go somewhere.
[01:01:04.220 --> 01:01:05.860]  There is a file somewhere.
[01:01:05.860 --> 01:01:06.860]  Yes.
[01:01:06.860 --> 01:01:07.860]  Okay?
[01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:11.780]  Well, what they're saying is they don't know where all the documents are.
[01:01:11.780 --> 01:01:14.540]  Oh, so it's just willy nilly.
[01:01:14.540 --> 01:01:22.900]  I'm telling them, well, you better find out because I'm going to be checking.
[01:01:22.900 --> 01:01:31.620]  And if I don't find the papers that I'm looking for, now I get to accuse you of mishandling
[01:01:31.620 --> 01:01:33.620]  those papers.
[01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:38.580]  I think that's called tampering with a government document if it's supposed to be in the protection
[01:01:38.580 --> 01:01:41.940]  of the clerk of the court and the clerk of the court's not protecting it.
[01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:46.180]  How can you prosecute any case if you can't certify the proceedings?
[01:01:46.180 --> 01:01:49.420]  Well, that's not my job.
[01:01:49.420 --> 01:01:50.940]  Whose job is it?
[01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:52.740]  Well, that's the clerk.
[01:01:52.740 --> 01:01:53.740]  Well, where's the clerk?
[01:01:53.740 --> 01:01:55.740]  Well, he's not here today.
[01:01:55.740 --> 01:01:57.460]  Oh, okay.
[01:01:57.460 --> 01:02:02.660]  So that was really, I was just really just winding them up, you know, testing them on
[01:02:02.660 --> 01:02:03.660]  protocols.
[01:02:03.660 --> 01:02:04.660]  Yeah.
[01:02:04.660 --> 01:02:10.420]  I was going to ask you, Randy, where are we going from here with Jacqueline's case?
[01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:11.420]  Okay.
[01:02:11.420 --> 01:02:12.420]  Now.
[01:02:12.420 --> 01:02:13.420]  Okay.
[01:02:13.420 --> 01:02:16.420]  So when you were in Las Vegas, you went to the clerk, you're winding them up, grilling
[01:02:16.420 --> 01:02:17.420]  them.
[01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:18.420]  Where's the paper?
[01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:19.420]  Where's the paper?
[01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:24.620]  So, Randy, tell us what else has happened and where are we going to go with this?
[01:02:24.620 --> 01:02:27.260]  Because see, I've got some strategy ideas myself.
[01:02:27.260 --> 01:02:28.260]  All right.
[01:02:28.260 --> 01:02:29.500]  We're in the media, remember?
[01:02:29.500 --> 01:02:32.660]  And now Jacqueline, you missed the first part of the show where I was sending a shout out
[01:02:32.660 --> 01:02:34.460]  to the radio stations.
[01:02:34.460 --> 01:02:36.860]  This is not just a radio station.
[01:02:36.860 --> 01:02:38.500]  This is a radio network.
[01:02:38.500 --> 01:02:45.460]  We're on eight FM stations and two AM stations across the country, Sioux Falls, South Dakota,
[01:02:45.460 --> 01:02:51.860]  Omaha, Nebraska, four cities in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, two others, Austin,
[01:02:51.860 --> 01:02:54.780]  Madison, Wisconsin, and a few others.
[01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:55.780]  Okay.
[01:02:55.780 --> 01:03:00.060]  And we have estimated, according to standard radio stats, our listenership is approximately
[01:03:00.060 --> 01:03:01.820]  150,000 people.
[01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:02.820]  Okay.
[01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:08.900]  And so I'm sending out this message that anyone out there who may also be in the media or
[01:03:08.900 --> 01:03:15.820]  I say, we start writing letters to the editor, I say we start using aggressive political
[01:03:15.820 --> 01:03:22.900]  approaches to boycott Las Vegas and write stories, post blogs, write articles about
[01:03:22.900 --> 01:03:29.660]  how the police in Las Vegas beat up women and target women and try to force them into
[01:03:29.660 --> 01:03:32.340]  these horrible, dangerous vaccinations.
[01:03:32.340 --> 01:03:37.220]  And let's start hitting them in the pocketbook and make them lose some of their tourist business.
[01:03:37.220 --> 01:03:42.420]  And that can definitely be a way to make them straighten up real fast.
[01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:48.060]  This is what I told them, that I'm here from, I'm out of Texas.
[01:03:48.060 --> 01:03:51.580]  And the reason I'm here is I've had people call into my show.
[01:03:51.580 --> 01:03:53.460]  I do a show on legal reform.
[01:03:53.460 --> 01:04:01.820]  And they're telling me how sadistic the police are here and how the casinos are acting along
[01:04:01.820 --> 01:04:02.820]  with the police.
[01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:07.220]  And that's very bizarre because they're running off their own business.
[01:04:07.220 --> 01:04:13.380]  Well, what I claimed was is that business is down so much, the city needs to create
[01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:15.240]  more revenue.
[01:04:15.240 --> 01:04:21.340]  So the casinos are helping them to file charges against tourists because it's so hard for
[01:04:21.340 --> 01:04:24.680]  a tourist to fight anything, they'll just pay the bill.
[01:04:24.680 --> 01:04:27.460]  So they're helping the city generate extra revenue.
[01:04:27.460 --> 01:04:33.580]  And the reason I'm here is Texas has before the legislature, a bill to allow casinos in
[01:04:33.580 --> 01:04:35.260]  Texas.
[01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:41.080]  And I have a friend who has a permit from the Pambina Indian nation to build a casino.
[01:04:41.080 --> 01:04:42.900]  And I also have the funding for it.
[01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:44.700]  We're in the process.
[01:04:44.700 --> 01:04:49.900]  If we get that casino built, I come up with 5% of it.
[01:04:49.900 --> 01:04:57.980]  So I just confided in them, I'm going to crucify these casinos in the state so I get my casino
[01:04:57.980 --> 01:04:58.980]  in Texas.
[01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:05.860]  I wanted them to think that I was worse than the inquirer, the worst pulp writer they could
[01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:06.860]  ever find.
[01:05:06.860 --> 01:05:08.380]  I'm just here to crucify you guys.
[01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:09.380]  Okay.
[01:05:09.380 --> 01:05:14.260]  So Randy, through these kinds of political pressuring means, we can really turn the screws
[01:05:14.260 --> 01:05:15.580]  on these guys.
[01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:19.300]  But what is that going to do for Jackie?
[01:05:19.300 --> 01:05:20.300]  She needs remedy.
[01:05:20.300 --> 01:05:21.620]  She needs justice.
[01:05:21.620 --> 01:05:29.900]  She not only needs to be compensated financially, big time, but she needs to see these people
[01:05:29.900 --> 01:05:31.540]  be punished and go to jail.
[01:05:31.540 --> 01:05:36.260]  So how are we going to get justice for Jackie, or Jacqueline, excuse me, if I'm taking...
[01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:37.260]  No, Jackie's fine.
[01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:38.260]  Jackie works.
[01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:39.260]  Okay.
[01:05:39.260 --> 01:05:40.260]  How are we going to get justice for Jackie?
[01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:41.260]  Justice for Jackie.
[01:05:41.260 --> 01:05:42.260]  I'm going to write a new song.
[01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:44.780]  Jacqueline, I'm in a band.
[01:05:44.780 --> 01:05:45.780]  I'm a songwriter.
[01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:46.780]  I love that.
[01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:47.780]  I heard.
[01:05:47.780 --> 01:05:49.820]  So I'm going to write a song, justice for Jackie.
[01:05:49.820 --> 01:05:53.500]  Okay, come on, Randy, help me write the lyrics.
[01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:54.500]  What are we going to do?
[01:05:54.500 --> 01:05:57.820]  The second week of February, she has a hearing the 11th.
[01:05:57.820 --> 01:06:03.740]  I'm going to go out there, I'm going to bring her a press pass, and we're just going to
[01:06:03.740 --> 01:06:08.140]  be two reporters, and I'm going to go through them like crap through a goose.
[01:06:08.140 --> 01:06:10.660]  We're going to go to every magistrate.
[01:06:10.660 --> 01:06:13.340]  Here's what I found.
[01:06:13.340 --> 01:06:17.940]  I go to the jail, and I said, when someone's arrested and they're brought before a magistrate,
[01:06:17.940 --> 01:06:19.300]  do they do that here in the jail?
[01:06:19.300 --> 01:06:22.380]  Oh, no, no, no, they take them straight to the magistrate.
[01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:23.820]  Well, which one?
[01:06:23.820 --> 01:06:31.860]  Oh, they don't take them to anyone in particular, and that set off some warning buzzers.
[01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:37.340]  So I go over to the court and start asking them, when someone's brought to a magistrate,
[01:06:37.340 --> 01:06:39.020]  who do they take them to?
[01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:42.340]  And everybody got this, duh.
[01:06:42.340 --> 01:06:43.340]  I have no idea.
[01:06:43.340 --> 01:06:46.140]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[01:06:46.140 --> 01:06:48.580]  And I thought that was interesting.
[01:06:48.580 --> 01:06:52.460]  Nobody at the court knows anything about it.
[01:06:52.460 --> 01:06:55.660]  And then when I started looking through the court records, they don't take anybody to
[01:06:55.660 --> 01:06:57.700]  a magistrate.
[01:06:57.700 --> 01:07:01.900]  So we're going to go down there, and the law says, if someone's arrested, they're going
[01:07:01.900 --> 01:07:03.980]  to be taken before a magistrate.
[01:07:03.980 --> 01:07:06.020]  So we're going to go into the court.
[01:07:06.020 --> 01:07:13.780]  Both of us taking copious notes, and I'll pull my little bushwhack routine on the bailiff.
[01:07:13.780 --> 01:07:20.420]  Jackie, everybody that listens to my show, they know the routine.
[01:07:20.420 --> 01:07:24.060]  Instruct the judge that I have business with the court.
[01:07:24.060 --> 01:07:28.220]  May I tell the judge the nature of the business?
[01:07:28.220 --> 01:07:29.500]  No, you may not.
[01:07:29.500 --> 01:07:32.780]  I have business with the court, and it's none of yours.
[01:07:32.780 --> 01:07:39.900]  And that always gets me audience with judge, always, because they want to find out who
[01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:43.580]  this jerk is screwing around with their bailiff.
[01:07:43.580 --> 01:07:46.380]  And then we're going to run this routine on him.
[01:07:46.380 --> 01:07:51.460]  So Your Honor, now I'm looking through your law, and I've been examining, we're doing
[01:07:51.460 --> 01:07:55.740]  a study on Nevada law for an expose.
[01:07:55.740 --> 01:08:01.540]  I do a radio program on legal reform, and I've been getting a lot of calls about corruption
[01:08:01.540 --> 01:08:08.780]  in the Nevada courts, especially in the arrest procedures, and I'm trying to trace it down.
[01:08:08.780 --> 01:08:17.180]  Your Honor, I want to see all of your records from all of the probable cause hearings that
[01:08:17.180 --> 01:08:21.060]  you've held in the last six months.
[01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:23.660]  And I have no doubt what he's going to tell me.
[01:08:23.660 --> 01:08:31.780]  Well, I haven't held any examining trial, and he made any probable cause determinations.
[01:08:31.780 --> 01:08:34.220]  Well if someone gets arrested, who do they take them to?
[01:08:34.220 --> 01:08:36.940]  And he's going to say, well, I don't know.
[01:08:36.940 --> 01:08:39.660]  You mean they've never brought anybody to you?
[01:08:39.660 --> 01:08:42.740]  He's going to say, no.
[01:08:42.740 --> 01:08:44.620]  You're not lying to me, are you, Judge?
[01:08:44.620 --> 01:08:46.620]  Does everybody else tell me the same thing?
[01:08:46.620 --> 01:08:51.020]  They have taken somebody, the law commands it.
[01:08:51.020 --> 01:08:54.820]  Are you telling me they don't ever take them to a magistrate?
[01:08:54.820 --> 01:08:59.020]  And the judge is going to say, well, I'm not telling you anything.
[01:08:59.020 --> 01:09:05.340]  And we're going to make all the judges, including the judge that will preside in the hearing
[01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:08.820]  on the 11th.
[01:09:08.820 --> 01:09:13.740]  And if the judge doesn't remember from the first hearing, when she comes to the second
[01:09:13.740 --> 01:09:18.820]  one, he'll remember her from our meeting.
[01:09:18.820 --> 01:09:21.940]  Now they know they got trouble coming at them.
[01:09:21.940 --> 01:09:30.540]  And by the questions that we ask, if anybody's paying any attention, it'll tell them that
[01:09:30.540 --> 01:09:37.460]  we don't really care about the allegations, their nonsense, we'll beat those.
[01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:41.360]  We're setting them up for tort litigation.
[01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:44.580]  Everything is about cause of action.
[01:09:44.580 --> 01:09:51.380]  And then the strategy is make this go away.
[01:09:51.380 --> 01:09:56.940]  Don't create any more causes of action than you already have.
[01:09:56.940 --> 01:10:05.460]  And what Jackie's going to do is, the first time she went there, they wanted her to get
[01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:06.460]  an attorney.
[01:10:06.460 --> 01:10:09.220]  Well, she's having trouble finding an attorney.
[01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:14.660]  We will have filed a whole stack of my favorite motions.
[01:10:14.660 --> 01:10:19.460]  And she'll tell the judge, your honor, I have all these motions to file.
[01:10:19.460 --> 01:10:25.420]  And when I show them to an attorney, nobody wants to argue my motions.
[01:10:25.420 --> 01:10:27.020]  So I can't find an attorney.
[01:10:27.020 --> 01:10:30.380]  I need you to appoint one for me.
[01:10:30.380 --> 01:10:31.780]  And he's going to ask if she's indigent.
[01:10:31.780 --> 01:10:36.420]  No, I'm not indigent, but all the attorneys are afraid to do their job.
[01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:40.580]  So I want you to force one to.
[01:10:40.580 --> 01:10:46.340]  And what we're doing is setting up the judge.
[01:10:46.340 --> 01:10:48.900]  He's not going to realize what we're doing.
[01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:49.900]  We set up the judge.
[01:10:49.900 --> 01:10:51.820]  We get him to appoint counsel.
[01:10:51.820 --> 01:10:54.140]  It will be a she.
[01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:55.140]  I've met her before.
[01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:56.140]  The judge will?
[01:10:56.140 --> 01:10:57.140]  Okay.
[01:10:57.140 --> 01:11:05.620]  We get her to appoint counsel and then we give all these motions to the attorney and
[01:11:05.620 --> 01:11:08.340]  he's going to say, I'm not filing those.
[01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:11.460]  I'm the one running this case.
[01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:16.180]  And then we're going to file a bar grievance against the attorney for every due process
[01:11:16.180 --> 01:11:23.660]  violation that we can find, every due process violation we can include in the motions.
[01:11:23.660 --> 01:11:28.180]  We'll file a bar grievance against him for each one and he'll end his career.
[01:11:28.180 --> 01:11:32.820]  And he's going to run to the judge whining and crying, oh, judge, they're beating me
[01:11:32.820 --> 01:11:33.820]  up.
[01:11:33.820 --> 01:11:37.180]  They're trying to remove me from this case.
[01:11:37.180 --> 01:11:41.420]  And Jackie's going to go to the judge and say, don't you dare remove him from my case.
[01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:44.340]  I have a private contract with him.
[01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:46.580]  He has a duty to defend me.
[01:11:46.580 --> 01:11:48.740]  You butt out.
[01:11:48.740 --> 01:11:51.540]  Judge is going to remove him anyway.
[01:11:51.540 --> 01:11:56.220]  And then we sue the judge for interfering with the private contract.
[01:11:56.220 --> 01:12:04.340]  That's when the judge will realize we set her up because she'll find out we know that
[01:12:04.340 --> 01:12:10.580]  is a ministerial decision and not a judicial decision.
[01:12:10.580 --> 01:12:15.420]  And what makes you think that she will go ahead and take him off the case?
[01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:18.020]  Because they're all in the same boat.
[01:12:18.020 --> 01:12:19.020]  They're buddies.
[01:12:19.020 --> 01:12:22.140]  They take care of each other.
[01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:29.260]  That's how everybody gets, takes a deal because the attorney, your attorney and the prosecutor
[01:12:29.260 --> 01:12:32.140]  are on the same side.
[01:12:32.140 --> 01:12:37.580]  The last thing they want to do, the last thing the judge wants to do is have that attorney
[01:12:37.580 --> 01:12:40.820]  pursue all those motions because then he has to deal with them.
[01:12:40.820 --> 01:12:42.660]  So no problem.
[01:12:42.660 --> 01:12:43.900]  He's going to jerk him right off.
[01:12:43.900 --> 01:12:49.340]  Then you, we sue the judge, disqualify the judge.
[01:12:49.340 --> 01:12:55.560]  When they appoint another judge, you go before that judge, I need you to appoint me counsel.
[01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:00.780]  My last counsel quit for some reason.
[01:13:00.780 --> 01:13:02.180]  Your turn, bubba.
[01:13:02.180 --> 01:13:04.860]  Who don't you like?
[01:13:04.860 --> 01:13:09.220]  We turn the screws up on him a little bit and we create more litigation.
[01:13:09.220 --> 01:13:15.620]  They'll begin to figure out that everything she does is creating more litigation for him.
[01:13:15.620 --> 01:13:18.780]  And in the process, we work the casino.
[01:13:18.780 --> 01:13:22.020]  The casino is the real deal.
[01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:29.220]  I'll be working the casinos with start questioning them and in the process kind of let it leak
[01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:34.740]  out that I have an ulterior motive that I'm trying to get casinos in Texas where it'll
[01:13:34.740 --> 01:13:37.340]  make me a lot of money personally.
[01:13:37.340 --> 01:13:47.460]  So I'm going to screw you guys Royal and get the casinos on the police to get them to make
[01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:53.500]  this go away and get these guys off our case because the casinos can do that because they
[01:13:53.500 --> 01:13:58.900]  hire the police as security and the casinos really control the police.
[01:13:58.900 --> 01:14:05.260]  So the best place to get to is the casino and we really discredit the courts and get
[01:14:05.260 --> 01:14:09.700]  them acting really stupid and then take that back to the casinos.
[01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:15.220]  And Randy, this was something that I wanted to ask earlier about the situation with the
[01:14:15.220 --> 01:14:17.540]  police in the casinos.
[01:14:17.540 --> 01:14:23.420]  Now I know that in Texas, okay, at least this is what my research is, what my understanding
[01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:24.420]  is.
[01:14:24.420 --> 01:14:25.420]  I may be wrong.
[01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:30.580]  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that police officers can of course moonlight
[01:14:30.580 --> 01:14:37.860]  themselves or whatever you want to call it to be security as off duty police officers.
[01:14:37.860 --> 01:14:42.300]  But when they're off duty, they're off duty.
[01:14:42.300 --> 01:14:48.540]  And even if they witness a crime being committed, they have to call 911, they can't just jump
[01:14:48.540 --> 01:14:49.540]  in as a cop.
[01:14:49.540 --> 01:14:54.500]  And so, okay, well then, okay, then that's, that's what I, I've actually, I've actually
[01:14:54.500 --> 01:15:01.300]  heard police tell me, I had a cop here in Austin tell me that when he's off duty, if
[01:15:01.300 --> 01:15:03.100]  he witnesses a crime, he has to call 911.
[01:15:03.100 --> 01:15:04.980]  He can't do anything about it himself.
[01:15:04.980 --> 01:15:05.980]  He's full of crap.
[01:15:05.980 --> 01:15:06.980]  Okay.
[01:15:06.980 --> 01:15:10.700]  So then that, so then, okay, well, he just doesn't want to.
[01:15:10.700 --> 01:15:14.940]  He's on duty, a policeman on duty 24 hours, 24 seven, okay.
[01:15:14.940 --> 01:15:22.220]  They passed a law recently in Texas that a policeman from any jurisdiction in Texas,
[01:15:22.220 --> 01:15:28.100]  if he personally observes a crime in another jurisdiction, he can act.
[01:15:28.100 --> 01:15:29.100]  Really?
[01:15:29.100 --> 01:15:30.100]  Yes.
[01:15:30.100 --> 01:15:31.100]  That's pretty scary.
[01:15:31.100 --> 01:15:32.100]  Wow.
[01:15:32.100 --> 01:15:33.100]  That is scary.
[01:15:33.100 --> 01:15:34.100]  Yeah.
[01:15:34.100 --> 01:15:38.940]  But absolutely the policeman acting as a security guard, if he witnesses crime, he can, he switches
[01:15:38.940 --> 01:15:41.140]  from security to police officer.
[01:15:41.140 --> 01:15:42.140]  Interesting.
[01:15:42.140 --> 01:15:47.420]  And it kind of sucks in a way and in another way, it doesn't, if in a perfect world where
[01:15:47.420 --> 01:15:52.740]  we had honest police officers, that wouldn't be a problem at all, but this, this is not
[01:15:52.740 --> 01:15:53.740]  a perfect world.
[01:15:53.740 --> 01:15:58.060]  So we have to have the checks and balances and we're going to give them some checks
[01:15:58.060 --> 01:15:59.060]  and balances.
[01:15:59.060 --> 01:16:00.060]  They're not going to believe.
[01:16:00.060 --> 01:16:07.380]  Well, what about, are we going to file criminal charges against these police that broke her
[01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:09.740]  wrist and did all these horrible things?
[01:16:09.740 --> 01:16:11.140]  That's what I'm researching now.
[01:16:11.140 --> 01:16:15.580]  I'm researching grand juries and glad you brought that up because there's something
[01:16:15.580 --> 01:16:18.340]  really interesting in Nevada.
[01:16:18.340 --> 01:16:27.020]  In Nevada, five registered voters can petition the clerk to impanel a grand jury.
[01:16:27.020 --> 01:16:28.020]  Interesting.
[01:16:28.020 --> 01:16:29.020]  Okay.
[01:16:29.020 --> 01:16:32.260]  Well, listen, listen, we're at the top of the hour.
[01:16:32.260 --> 01:16:34.020]  We're going to break.
[01:16:34.020 --> 01:16:35.020]  We're going to break.
[01:16:35.020 --> 01:16:36.980]  Jackie, can you hang on?
[01:16:36.980 --> 01:16:37.980]  Yeah.
[01:16:37.980 --> 01:16:38.980]  Okay.
[01:16:38.980 --> 01:16:39.980]  Okay.
[01:16:39.980 --> 01:16:40.980]  Excellent.
[01:16:40.980 --> 01:16:41.980]  Excellent.
[01:16:41.980 --> 01:16:42.980]  And we do have Dan real.
[01:16:42.980 --> 01:16:46.700]  So I would like to also get to him and then maybe go back to Jackie so that we don't make
[01:16:46.700 --> 01:16:48.260]  Dan wait forever.
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[01:19:46.980 --> 01:19:47.980]  Okay.
[01:19:47.980 --> 01:19:52.380]  So we are going to bring Dan Reel into the picture now.
[01:19:52.380 --> 01:19:55.980]  And Dan, you had an interesting tidbit for us on the break.
[01:19:55.980 --> 01:20:01.420]  You were saying something about contacting the LP out in Nevada.
[01:20:01.420 --> 01:20:04.100]  So Dan, what are you going to do to help Jackie here?
[01:20:04.100 --> 01:20:10.940]  Well, if you only need five registered voters, I mean, I know the LP is comparatively small,
[01:20:10.940 --> 01:20:14.580]  but we're not exactly the Socialist Party of America.
[01:20:14.580 --> 01:20:19.260]  We've got way more than that amount of registered voters, so it shouldn't be that hard to put
[01:20:19.260 --> 01:20:20.260]  together.
[01:20:20.260 --> 01:20:23.860]  LP means Libertarian Party for the Hillbillies out there.
[01:20:23.860 --> 01:20:24.860]  Yes.
[01:20:24.860 --> 01:20:25.860]  Dan Reel-
[01:20:25.860 --> 01:20:26.860]  I hope so.
[01:20:26.860 --> 01:20:27.860]  I mean, that's what they tell me.
[01:20:27.860 --> 01:20:28.860]  Yeah.
[01:20:28.860 --> 01:20:29.860]  Yeah.
[01:20:29.860 --> 01:20:30.860]  Dan, okay.
[01:20:30.860 --> 01:20:31.860]  For listeners who may not know who Dan Reel is.
[01:20:31.860 --> 01:20:38.740]  Dan Reel ran for Congress, what was it, the second district?
[01:20:38.740 --> 01:20:42.460]  Second Connecticut Congressional District, and I'll be running again in 2010.
[01:20:42.460 --> 01:20:43.460]  Yes.
[01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:50.700]  And you were the first Libertarian candidate to run for Congress in that district in Connecticut.
[01:20:50.700 --> 01:20:51.700]  Is that correct?
[01:20:51.700 --> 01:20:52.700]  That's correct.
[01:20:52.700 --> 01:20:53.700]  Yeah.
[01:20:53.700 --> 01:20:54.700]  Good for you.
[01:20:54.700 --> 01:20:55.700]  Wait a minute.
[01:20:55.700 --> 01:21:01.580]  That means he was the first ever Libertarian candidate to lose in that district.
[01:21:01.580 --> 01:21:02.580]  Oh, come on, Randy.
[01:21:02.580 --> 01:21:03.580]  Good Lord.
[01:21:03.580 --> 01:21:09.620]  Actually, I was the first Libertarian candidate ever to get officials in Connecticut to break
[01:21:09.620 --> 01:21:12.580]  their own ballot access laws in Connecticut.
[01:21:12.580 --> 01:21:13.580]  Wow.
[01:21:13.580 --> 01:21:14.580]  That's good.
[01:21:14.580 --> 01:21:17.580]  Good for you.
[01:21:17.580 --> 01:21:21.940]  Missing petitions, petitions sent to wrong towns, but that's another can of worms I'm
[01:21:21.940 --> 01:21:22.940]  opening.
[01:21:22.940 --> 01:21:23.940]  We're going to have fun with this.
[01:21:23.940 --> 01:21:31.460]  Okay, so Dan's going to contact the LP out in Vegas because he can pull strings in high
[01:21:31.460 --> 01:21:37.940]  places and get some registered voters to go petition to have a grand jury convene.
[01:21:37.940 --> 01:21:41.540]  Now, Randy, this deal about, I'm sorry, Dan, hold on.
[01:21:41.540 --> 01:21:43.220]  Just one quick question for Randy.
[01:21:43.220 --> 01:21:49.980]  This five registered voters petitioning to have a grand jury convene, does that statute
[01:21:49.980 --> 01:21:55.900]  say that it would be for a specific purpose or just convene a grand jury just in general
[01:21:55.900 --> 01:21:56.900]  for general purposes?
[01:21:56.900 --> 01:21:58.300]  It doesn't state a purpose.
[01:21:58.300 --> 01:22:04.380]  It says that the prosecuting attorney can petition for a grand jury, the attorney general,
[01:22:04.380 --> 01:22:06.940]  district judge, or five registered voters.
[01:22:06.940 --> 01:22:07.940]  Okay, okay.
[01:22:07.940 --> 01:22:12.820]  And in looking through the statutes, there are a couple of things.
[01:22:12.820 --> 01:22:18.400]  The attorney general can only petition for a certain reason, and that's to look into
[01:22:18.400 --> 01:22:23.780]  public officials or public funds, use or misuse of public funds.
[01:22:23.780 --> 01:22:27.500]  Yeah, but there's no restrictions like that for citizen registered voters petitioning.
[01:22:27.500 --> 01:22:34.740]  What the case law said is even if the attorney general petitions to impanel a grand jury
[01:22:34.740 --> 01:22:39.620]  for a certain reason, it doesn't restrict the grand jury at all.
[01:22:39.620 --> 01:22:45.120]  I know, but I'm talking about like for the citizens of five registered voters petitioning,
[01:22:45.120 --> 01:22:46.380]  it doesn't put any restrictions.
[01:22:46.380 --> 01:22:52.060]  No, it puts no restriction at all on them, but this precedent essentially says that it
[01:22:52.060 --> 01:22:55.940]  really makes no difference why the grand jury was impaneled.
[01:22:55.940 --> 01:23:00.460]  Now Randy, just quickly, and then we're going to go right back to Dan.
[01:23:00.460 --> 01:23:02.980]  Have you looked into how grand juries are impaneled?
[01:23:02.980 --> 01:23:06.260]  Do people go and volunteer, kind of how it's done in Texas?
[01:23:06.260 --> 01:23:07.260]  No, they can.
[01:23:07.260 --> 01:23:09.860]  Oh, no, I haven't looked in.
[01:23:09.860 --> 01:23:16.020]  I haven't checked all of that yet, but they have a selection process like similar to Texas.
[01:23:16.020 --> 01:23:18.300]  Okay, because here's my plan.
[01:23:18.300 --> 01:23:22.180]  Here's my idea for Jacqueline, okay?
[01:23:22.180 --> 01:23:28.060]  And for listeners who may not know yet about grand juries, they sit for an extended period
[01:23:28.060 --> 01:23:29.060]  of time.
[01:23:29.060 --> 01:23:33.500]  It's not like a petit jury where it's like a day or a few days or a week or so.
[01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:38.100]  And so they're very difficult to impanel because people can't take several months off of work
[01:23:38.100 --> 01:23:41.980]  to go do grand jury stuff three times a week or whatever.
[01:23:41.980 --> 01:23:47.140]  And so generally they have to take volunteers to be on grand juries.
[01:23:47.140 --> 01:23:54.060]  It's not really usually done by jury duty through the mail so much as people put themselves
[01:23:54.060 --> 01:23:56.340]  on a list and then they get impaneled.
[01:23:56.340 --> 01:24:03.100]  And so it's generally people like women who are middle-aged, their kids are maybe grown,
[01:24:03.100 --> 01:24:07.660]  they're somewhat well off, their husbands support them, they want to do civic duty,
[01:24:07.660 --> 01:24:12.100]  they want to give something back to the community, et cetera, et cetera, and things like this.
[01:24:12.100 --> 01:24:19.060]  And so what I'm thinking is that we could get Dan to help not only get some folks out
[01:24:19.060 --> 01:24:24.660]  there to petition to have a grand jury impaneled, but Dan, why don't you get some of these LP
[01:24:24.660 --> 01:24:29.540]  folks who may have time on their hands to go put themselves on the list to be impaneled.
[01:24:29.540 --> 01:24:33.320]  And so then we stack the grand jury with our own people and then we get to go to the grand
[01:24:33.320 --> 01:24:36.340]  jury with our criminal complaints against these jerks.
[01:24:36.340 --> 01:24:37.340]  Oh.
[01:24:37.340 --> 01:24:38.340]  Yeah.
[01:24:38.340 --> 01:24:41.940]  I could actually email Wayne O. and Ruth.
[01:24:41.940 --> 01:24:44.380]  He was the vice presidential candidate.
[01:24:44.380 --> 01:24:46.860]  You guys have probably heard of him.
[01:24:46.860 --> 01:24:49.300]  He'd probably know people that would be in a position to do that.
[01:24:49.300 --> 01:24:51.740]  I'm sure he'd probably be willing to do it himself.
[01:24:51.740 --> 01:24:52.860]  What do you think, Randy?
[01:24:52.860 --> 01:24:53.980]  I think that'd be great.
[01:24:53.980 --> 01:24:56.620]  The higher profile names we can get, the better.
[01:24:56.620 --> 01:25:02.660]  See, the thing is people, and I was imploring our listeners last week, if you really want
[01:25:02.660 --> 01:25:09.900]  to do something to change the system, if you have the time, go get on a grand jury.
[01:25:09.900 --> 01:25:14.220]  It's probably going to be really easy to get on a grand jury because they have extreme
[01:25:14.220 --> 01:25:18.460]  difficulty impaneling grand juries because they have to sit for so long.
[01:25:18.460 --> 01:25:25.180]  The judges even conscript defense attorneys at times because they can't find enough people
[01:25:25.180 --> 01:25:26.180]  from the general public.
[01:25:26.180 --> 01:25:27.840]  So go put yourself on a grand jury.
[01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:32.500]  Make a big, big difference in the world in changing the system.
[01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:37.260]  Jackie, send me an email to that address I gave you during the break and I'll forward
[01:25:37.260 --> 01:25:39.820]  the information and I could get something going for you.
[01:25:39.820 --> 01:25:40.820]  Okay.
[01:25:40.820 --> 01:25:41.820]  I would love that.
[01:25:41.820 --> 01:25:42.820]  I can just forward...
[01:25:42.820 --> 01:25:43.820]  I can't say...
[01:25:43.820 --> 01:25:47.820]  Jackie, I'll forward your email to Dan that way in case we write it down.
[01:25:47.820 --> 01:25:52.780]  That would be great too because I didn't really get your full address there, Dan, on the break.
[01:25:52.780 --> 01:25:55.100]  But I can't thank you enough for offering.
[01:25:55.100 --> 01:25:56.100]  Thank you.
[01:25:56.100 --> 01:25:57.100]  Yeah.
[01:25:57.100 --> 01:25:58.100]  It's not a problem.
[01:25:58.100 --> 01:25:59.100]  It could be any one of us.
[01:25:59.100 --> 01:26:00.100]  That's the way I look at it.
[01:26:00.100 --> 01:26:01.100]  Absolutely.
[01:26:01.100 --> 01:26:02.900]  It could be any one of us.
[01:26:02.900 --> 01:26:07.420]  And Jacqueline, what you went through is just my worst nightmare.
[01:26:07.420 --> 01:26:09.660]  I mean, I feel for you so much.
[01:26:09.660 --> 01:26:12.260]  I'm so sorry this happened to you.
[01:26:12.260 --> 01:26:13.260]  Thank you, Debra.
[01:26:13.260 --> 01:26:18.060]  I mean, the reason I've worked so hard to build this network over the last few months
[01:26:18.060 --> 01:26:23.020]  and the reason I'm doing this and I'm not making any money at all, in fact, I'm in the
[01:26:23.020 --> 01:26:29.380]  hole over it, is because I believe in the cause so much and I know that what Randy does
[01:26:29.380 --> 01:26:30.380]  works.
[01:26:30.380 --> 01:26:32.460]  It's been proven time and time again.
[01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:37.140]  His strategies work and I want to help people because, like Dan says, it could have been
[01:26:37.140 --> 01:26:42.420]  me, it could have been him, and I'm so sorry it had to be you, but we're going to do everything
[01:26:42.420 --> 01:26:43.420]  we can to help.
[01:26:43.420 --> 01:26:44.420]  That's for sure.
[01:26:44.420 --> 01:26:45.420]  Well, yes.
[01:26:45.420 --> 01:26:51.060]  I am so grateful that I've been put in touch with you because I'm pretty sure if I hadn't
[01:26:51.060 --> 01:26:55.700]  been, I'd probably be with the public defender, possibly plea bargaining or something, just
[01:26:55.700 --> 01:26:57.500]  wanting the whole thing to go away.
[01:26:57.500 --> 01:27:01.740]  So I really can't thank you guys enough for what you do.
[01:27:01.740 --> 01:27:08.900]  Everything that I'm going to be doing is about creating the most horrendous civil action
[01:27:08.900 --> 01:27:15.820]  against them that they can imagine and then get them to pay you a whole lot of money just
[01:27:15.820 --> 01:27:18.100]  to go away and leave them alone.
[01:27:18.100 --> 01:27:24.460]  Yeah, and maybe we need to consider, and ultimately this would be Jacqueline's decision since
[01:27:24.460 --> 01:27:31.980]  she's the victim, what Jacqueline's intended outcome is on all of this if she just wants
[01:27:31.980 --> 01:27:37.660]  to get a whole heap of money pay off over this, or does she want to see these guys rot
[01:27:37.660 --> 01:27:44.220]  in jail or both, so it's something to consider.
[01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:47.180]  It's not about getting the money.
[01:27:47.180 --> 01:27:49.460]  It's about costing them the money.
[01:27:49.460 --> 01:27:51.820]  You cost the casino a lot of money.
[01:27:51.820 --> 01:28:00.300]  The casino's going to lean on everybody else, and when it goes to the crap rule, turds roll
[01:28:00.300 --> 01:28:06.060]  downhill, the guys at the bottom is the ones this guy's going to land on.
[01:28:06.060 --> 01:28:08.780]  It's not about them getting the money.
[01:28:08.780 --> 01:28:12.140]  Money's just the influence.
[01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:13.460]  That's where this power is.
[01:28:13.460 --> 01:28:14.460]  Well, I don't know.
[01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:18.740]  For me, if it happened to me, it would be both, okay?
[01:28:18.740 --> 01:28:24.660]  Because in lawsuits, there's two different kinds of payoffs.
[01:28:24.660 --> 01:28:32.300]  I'm not using the proper technical term, excuse me, I'm kind of a layman here, but when you
[01:28:32.300 --> 01:28:41.580]  file lawsuits and you win, you can get paid for damages, you get paid for psychological
[01:28:41.580 --> 01:28:48.700]  trauma, and then there's also punitive damages where they have to pay just as a punishment
[01:28:48.700 --> 01:28:49.700]  to them.
[01:28:49.700 --> 01:28:54.940]  They not only pay because of your suffering or your medical bills or the damage or the
[01:28:54.940 --> 01:28:56.380]  psychological trauma.
[01:28:56.380 --> 01:29:02.340]  You deserve to be reimbursed for all of that big time and more, but then in addition to
[01:29:02.340 --> 01:29:06.100]  that, there's punitive damages where they have to pay just to hit them in the pocketbook
[01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:09.580]  just to hurt them, to punish them for what they did, okay?
[01:29:09.580 --> 01:29:10.580]  Exactly.
[01:29:10.580 --> 01:29:11.580]  I want both.
[01:29:11.580 --> 01:29:13.700]  And they never do it again.
[01:29:13.700 --> 01:29:16.740]  Getting the money is not the reason.
[01:29:16.740 --> 01:29:17.900]  It's just a tool.
[01:29:17.900 --> 01:29:20.780]  It's just a tool, exactly.
[01:29:20.780 --> 01:29:25.540]  The fact that it happens to be nice to get the money and the fact that if you get the
[01:29:25.540 --> 01:29:30.260]  money, it's not taxable, I mean, it has nothing to do with it.
[01:29:30.260 --> 01:29:31.260]  This is all noble.
[01:29:31.260 --> 01:29:36.400]  Well, yeah, and the thing is, and Randy, you're right, it's not about the money.
[01:29:36.400 --> 01:29:43.380]  The money is just the tool, but the thing is, Jacqueline was abused.
[01:29:43.380 --> 01:29:52.380]  She was victimized and she deserves justice and getting the money is part of getting justice
[01:29:52.380 --> 01:29:53.380]  for her.
[01:29:53.380 --> 01:29:58.100]  If I may say, when I was in the detention center, I'm a performer and I actually had
[01:29:58.100 --> 01:30:03.980]  an appointment when I was in the detention center that had I gotten the job if I was
[01:30:03.980 --> 01:30:08.380]  back in L.A. when I was supposed to be, or at least was able to make the phone call that
[01:30:08.380 --> 01:30:15.540]  I'd asked to make to call my agent, I could have had a job that would have paid me $50,000.
[01:30:15.540 --> 01:30:17.500]  And I actually have proof of that.
[01:30:17.500 --> 01:30:18.500]  Yes.
[01:30:18.500 --> 01:30:19.500]  Kind of off-topic.
[01:30:19.500 --> 01:30:20.500]  Kind of off-topic.
[01:30:20.500 --> 01:30:21.500]  But I mean-
[01:30:21.500 --> 01:30:22.500]  No, it's not off-topic.
[01:30:22.500 --> 01:30:23.500]  I'm definitely-
[01:30:23.500 --> 01:30:24.500]  Yeah, that's damage.
[01:30:24.500 --> 01:30:25.500]  That's real-
[01:30:25.500 --> 01:30:27.900]  That is damages.
[01:30:27.900 --> 01:30:31.940]  And Jacqueline, if you have the paperwork, whatever documents-
[01:30:31.940 --> 01:30:32.940]  I do, I do.
[01:30:32.940 --> 01:30:34.460]  If you can get that up and prove that-
[01:30:34.460 --> 01:30:35.460]  I do.
[01:30:35.460 --> 01:30:37.860]  That is a cause of action in a lawsuit.
[01:30:37.860 --> 01:30:38.860]  Yes.
[01:30:38.860 --> 01:30:39.860]  Yeah.
[01:30:39.860 --> 01:30:40.860]  That's a cause of action in a lawsuit.
[01:30:40.860 --> 01:30:41.860]  I do.
[01:30:41.860 --> 01:30:42.860]  Specifically, I-
[01:30:42.860 --> 01:30:43.860]  Wait a minute.
[01:30:43.860 --> 01:30:44.860]  Yeah.
[01:30:44.860 --> 01:30:45.860]  I specifically told the guard why I needed to make the phone call.
[01:30:45.860 --> 01:30:48.660]  And again, yeah, I was going to infect the phone.
[01:30:48.660 --> 01:30:49.660]  That was the response I got.
[01:30:49.660 --> 01:30:50.660]  Okay.
[01:30:50.660 --> 01:30:51.660]  But I have all the paperwork.
[01:30:51.660 --> 01:30:55.340]  It might justify that I missed that audition.
[01:30:55.340 --> 01:30:58.020]  If you had gotten that audition and gotten that part-
[01:30:58.020 --> 01:31:00.660]  Yeah.
[01:31:00.660 --> 01:31:04.780]  What would it likely lead to?
[01:31:04.780 --> 01:31:11.900]  It was for a guaranteed minimum of 13 episodes on a pilot, but that's the contract, was it
[01:31:11.900 --> 01:31:12.900]  13 episodes.
[01:31:12.900 --> 01:31:17.100]  But if it got picked up for more, if it went on for five years, I mean, you're talking
[01:31:17.100 --> 01:31:19.740]  a couple hundred thousand dollars, if that's what you mean.
[01:31:19.740 --> 01:31:23.820]  If you could project what that would be expected to do for your career.
[01:31:23.820 --> 01:31:24.820]  That's what I'm thinking.
[01:31:24.820 --> 01:31:25.820]  Oh, yeah.
[01:31:25.820 --> 01:31:31.420]  I mean, it could potentially, we're looking at millions here.
[01:31:31.420 --> 01:31:32.420]  Yeah.
[01:31:32.420 --> 01:31:33.420]  Potentially.
[01:31:33.420 --> 01:31:40.860]  So this is what we want to create as much difficulty for them as possible, but mainly
[01:31:40.860 --> 01:31:45.260]  the money's not going to be the casino's big issue.
[01:31:45.260 --> 01:31:47.180]  Publicity is going to be their issue.
[01:31:47.180 --> 01:31:54.100]  When I was talking to the clerk, I told him that I had just come from one of the judges
[01:31:54.100 --> 01:31:59.780]  and told the judge that I wanted to make her a radio star, and she said she didn't want
[01:31:59.780 --> 01:32:00.780]  to be a radio star.
[01:32:00.780 --> 01:32:01.780]  I said, oh, that's okay, judge.
[01:32:01.780 --> 01:32:02.780]  You already are.
[01:32:02.780 --> 01:32:03.780]  Oh, I am?
[01:32:03.780 --> 01:32:04.780]  Oh, yes, ma'am.
[01:32:04.780 --> 01:32:05.780]  You are.
[01:32:05.780 --> 01:32:12.020]  We talk about you on my radio show all the time and we laugh and we laugh and Mr. Colton,
[01:32:12.020 --> 01:32:13.020]  are you through?
[01:32:13.020 --> 01:32:14.020]  Oh, yes, ma'am.
[01:32:14.020 --> 01:32:15.020]  Your honor.
[01:32:15.020 --> 01:32:16.020]  Okay.
[01:32:16.020 --> 01:32:17.020]  Listen, listen.
[01:32:17.020 --> 01:32:18.020]  I wanted to go back to Dan.
[01:32:18.020 --> 01:32:24.380]  We've had a couple of questions for Randian now and this was an excellent discussion here,
[01:32:24.380 --> 01:32:29.780]  but Dan, okay, let's put this on hold for just one, just a few minutes, Jacqueline,
[01:32:29.780 --> 01:32:37.180]  because I wanted to get to Dan because Dan had a case that he called in about last week
[01:32:37.180 --> 01:32:42.020]  and Dan, apparently you've got the details all sorted out and everything.
[01:32:42.020 --> 01:32:47.460]  So, yes, and it's got everything you guys look for and that's why I thought, oh, I have
[01:32:47.460 --> 01:32:49.180]  to get this on your show.
[01:32:49.180 --> 01:32:50.180]  Okay.
[01:32:50.180 --> 01:32:58.540]  So, give us the rundown from the beginning and in a factual itemized manner since it
[01:32:58.540 --> 01:33:03.260]  was kind of discombobulated last week since we didn't have all the details and try to
[01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:08.340]  have things in a chronological order so we can follow the storyline.
[01:33:08.340 --> 01:33:16.980]  As a matter of fact, yes, I did email both of you guys the updated version of the case.
[01:33:16.980 --> 01:33:19.500]  I'm just going to focus on Yolanda Madden.
[01:33:19.500 --> 01:33:25.220]  The informant is another story, but essentially they planted drugs on Yolanda Madden.
[01:33:25.220 --> 01:33:26.500]  I'm just mentioning that here.
[01:33:26.500 --> 01:33:30.660]  I know you guys don't want to focus on the merits, which we've got enough due process
[01:33:30.660 --> 01:33:32.340]  things in and of itself.
[01:33:32.340 --> 01:33:38.220]  So, Yolanda Madden was picked up, she had drugs planted on her, she did not consent
[01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:39.220]  to a search.
[01:33:39.220 --> 01:33:44.740]  I mean, again, merits of the case, but in a nutshell, she was arrested at the scene
[01:33:44.740 --> 01:33:49.740]  and it was by the Odessa Police Department, they're out in Midland, Texas.
[01:33:49.740 --> 01:33:55.460]  They took her to the police station, this was June 3rd, 2005.
[01:33:55.460 --> 01:34:02.580]  They arrested her on state charges, held her over the weekend, she posted a $15,000 bond
[01:34:02.580 --> 01:34:09.060]  and she did not go before a magistrate at any time for the state charge at all, never.
[01:34:09.060 --> 01:34:11.500]  A month went by where she didn't hear anything.
[01:34:11.500 --> 01:34:15.260]  In the beginning of the month, she hired a lawyer, which a lot of people in a situation
[01:34:15.260 --> 01:34:18.300]  that don't know this stuff, they would go do that.
[01:34:18.300 --> 01:34:26.140]  And so a month later, she was arrested by Odessa's finest again, except 12 miles outside
[01:34:26.140 --> 01:34:28.260]  their jurisdiction.
[01:34:28.260 --> 01:34:36.380]  This was around July, I believe, 3rd, 2005, and it was 12 miles outside their jurisdiction.
[01:34:36.380 --> 01:34:41.780]  She was arrested at 8 a.m. and they did not have a warrant drawn up until 9.45.
[01:34:41.780 --> 01:34:43.900]  They were arresting her on a federal charge.
[01:34:43.900 --> 01:34:49.660]  Normally, with a federal charge, I would think they'd send the U.S. Marshals out for you.
[01:34:49.660 --> 01:34:53.460]  But they were looking for her, they took her in, they brought her before a magistrate,
[01:34:53.460 --> 01:34:55.460]  Judge Platt.
[01:34:55.460 --> 01:34:57.540]  Platt asked, who is your lawyer?
[01:34:57.540 --> 01:35:00.820]  She said, oh, Tony Chavez, your honor.
[01:35:00.820 --> 01:35:05.780]  And the judge informed her, oh, well, Tony Chavez has been disbarred.
[01:35:05.780 --> 01:35:09.660]  Now without really consulting her, Tony Chavez decided, you know what, I'm going to get my
[01:35:09.660 --> 01:35:14.820]  boy Brian Chavez, his son, to, you know, litigate for Yolanda.
[01:35:14.820 --> 01:35:18.140]  And we're going to get into the lack of litigation later.
[01:35:18.140 --> 01:35:22.820]  But essentially, without consulting Yolanda, he decided Brian Chavez, his son, is going
[01:35:22.820 --> 01:35:25.140]  to be representing Yolanda.
[01:35:25.140 --> 01:35:30.860]  Now they held her over the weekend again, and of course, you know, they arrested her.
[01:35:30.860 --> 01:35:33.540]  It was a Thursday when they arrested her.
[01:35:33.540 --> 01:35:37.580]  They finally brought her before the magistrate, it was Monday when they did that, they released
[01:35:37.580 --> 01:35:39.860]  her Monday night.
[01:35:39.860 --> 01:35:46.780]  Now the officers, meanwhile, for that state charge I'd mentioned, they got the methamphetamine
[01:35:46.780 --> 01:35:52.540]  from the informant when they initially arrested him, but they logged it in three days after
[01:35:52.540 --> 01:35:56.940]  the arrest as evidence, and they logged it in as Yolanda Madden's methamphetamine, which
[01:35:56.940 --> 01:35:58.700]  it was not.
[01:35:58.700 --> 01:36:02.700]  And she had no clue that it was placed on her or what had happened.
[01:36:02.700 --> 01:36:07.420]  Now the first hearing comes up, Yolanda says to her father, Ray Madden, who I talked to
[01:36:07.420 --> 01:36:12.500]  to get this narrative, she goes, you know what, they have a videotape of the arrest,
[01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:18.540]  I did not give consent, they have the videotape there, we want the videotape.
[01:36:18.540 --> 01:36:24.020]  So basically they mention this, and the prosecutor denies that the videotape even exists, and
[01:36:24.020 --> 01:36:27.620]  the Odessa Police Department denies the videotape exists.
[01:36:27.620 --> 01:36:30.140]  They requested this in the first hearing.
[01:36:30.140 --> 01:36:34.980]  Now meanwhile, the lawyer didn't file a single motion.
[01:36:34.980 --> 01:36:38.700]  Second hearing goes around, the same thing happens, they said, look, you know, you've
[01:36:38.700 --> 01:36:44.500]  got this videotape, Brian Chavez did not file any motions, but he did write a nice little
[01:36:44.500 --> 01:36:50.500]  letter without moving the court asking, hey, we want this videotape.
[01:36:50.500 --> 01:36:55.300]  Before the third hearing came up, it turns out they actually knew the Deputy Chief of
[01:36:55.300 --> 01:36:58.980]  Police out in the Odessa Police Department.
[01:36:58.980 --> 01:37:05.380]  He found the videotape where it was about to be destroyed in evidence room, and he brought
[01:37:05.380 --> 01:37:09.260]  it up, and they finally put it in the record.
[01:37:09.260 --> 01:37:12.340]  And throughout the whole thing, the lawyer basically did next to nothing.
[01:37:12.340 --> 01:37:15.700]  So Yolanda Madden actually fired her counsel.
[01:37:15.700 --> 01:37:19.820]  It turns out that one of the reasons she fired him is because he was friends with one of
[01:37:19.820 --> 01:37:21.060]  the arresting officers.
[01:37:21.060 --> 01:37:28.180]  Her lawyer actually gave the defense strategy over to one of the arresting officers.
[01:37:28.180 --> 01:37:31.860]  And so that was one of the reasons that they fired him, aside from the fact he just was
[01:37:31.860 --> 01:37:32.860]  not doing his job.
[01:37:32.860 --> 01:37:33.860]  We'll get him disbarred.
[01:37:33.860 --> 01:37:38.940]  So the trial's about to happen, and the lawyer's been fired.
[01:37:38.940 --> 01:37:41.300]  The trial was before Judge Rob Junel.
[01:37:41.300 --> 01:37:45.180]  Rob Junel told Brian Chavez, look, you're going to be at that court.
[01:37:45.180 --> 01:37:48.940]  I don't care if you were fired by Yolanda Madden.
[01:37:48.940 --> 01:37:53.300]  You're going to file a motion for continuance on her behalf.
[01:37:53.300 --> 01:37:57.020]  And so Brian Chavez was like, fine, I'll file the motion.
[01:37:57.020 --> 01:37:59.020]  Rob Junel denied it.
[01:37:59.020 --> 01:38:03.660]  And remember, Brian Chavez had already been fired at that point.
[01:38:03.660 --> 01:38:07.380]  And basically, Yolanda Madden's father, Ray Madden, said, you know what, I better go get
[01:38:07.380 --> 01:38:10.060]  her a lawyer who can actually do his job.
[01:38:10.060 --> 01:38:11.060]  He goes out.
[01:38:11.060 --> 01:38:12.420]  He gets new counsel.
[01:38:12.420 --> 01:38:16.180]  New counsel files a motion for continuance.
[01:38:16.180 --> 01:38:19.700]  Rob Junel says, you know what, I've already denied that motion.
[01:38:19.700 --> 01:38:24.020]  Of course, that was the motion filed on behalf of the attorney who had already been fired.
[01:38:24.020 --> 01:38:26.140]  So the trial comes up.
[01:38:26.140 --> 01:38:31.060]  The first thing the new counsel does, they file a motion to suppress all the evidence.
[01:38:31.060 --> 01:38:32.060]  Motion was denied.
[01:38:32.060 --> 01:38:37.180]  As a matter of fact, in the court testimony, the informant actually said, look, I planned
[01:38:37.180 --> 01:38:38.180]  the drugs on her.
[01:38:38.180 --> 01:38:40.300]  She had no idea what I was doing.
[01:38:40.300 --> 01:38:45.180]  The phone call I made was under the premise of paying her back money that I had owed her
[01:38:45.180 --> 01:38:46.940]  and that I had borrowed.
[01:38:46.940 --> 01:38:49.260]  But nonetheless, all that was admitted.
[01:38:49.260 --> 01:38:53.860]  Even though all that was admitted, the informant's testimony was admitted as well.
[01:38:53.860 --> 01:39:00.340]  And so basically, between the last hearing and the trial, the new counsel, their motion
[01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:02.580]  for continuance was denied.
[01:39:02.580 --> 01:39:06.140]  They talked Yolanda into a bench trial.
[01:39:06.140 --> 01:39:09.380]  And Yolanda went, okay, fine, you know, we'll do a bench trial.
[01:39:09.380 --> 01:39:12.060]  And of course, without any deliberation, she was found guilty.
[01:39:12.060 --> 01:39:14.540]  So that's the narrative in a nutshell.
[01:39:14.540 --> 01:39:19.620]  You can look at the whole thing in your email, I go to the documents and I cite where all
[01:39:19.620 --> 01:39:20.620]  the other stuff is from.
[01:39:20.620 --> 01:39:22.980]  How long ago was she found guilty?
[01:39:22.980 --> 01:39:26.740]  This was in 2005.
[01:39:26.740 --> 01:39:32.500]  And after the trial had occurred, the prosecutor was trying to retaliate against Ray Madden
[01:39:32.500 --> 01:39:35.780]  for trying to get all this evidence into court.
[01:39:35.780 --> 01:39:41.780]  And they actually wanted to revoke her bond and put her in jail early, based on Mr. Madden's
[01:39:41.780 --> 01:39:43.840]  behavior, I mean, or so they say.
[01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:47.100]  But I gave you all the other stuff that he sent me.
[01:39:47.100 --> 01:39:50.220]  Okay, I will go through that.
[01:39:50.220 --> 01:39:54.300]  What do they want me to do?
[01:39:54.300 --> 01:40:02.300]  Basically find a way to at least get a retrial or at least get the conviction overturned.
[01:40:02.300 --> 01:40:06.200]  The most sure way is to go after subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:40:06.200 --> 01:40:10.860]  And we have lots of things we can do that with.
[01:40:10.860 --> 01:40:13.380]  Excellent.
[01:40:13.380 --> 01:40:23.820]  So with the arrest, well, with my writ and this being Texas, I got 23 due process violations
[01:40:23.820 --> 01:40:25.620]  right off the bat.
[01:40:25.620 --> 01:40:28.220]  Wow, he'd be happy to hear that.
[01:40:28.220 --> 01:40:32.380]  As a matter of fact, I can give you his number on one of the breaks.
[01:40:32.380 --> 01:40:37.220]  We could take an arrest where everything seemed right, nobody's upset.
[01:40:37.220 --> 01:40:41.540]  And I got 23 due process violations.
[01:40:41.540 --> 01:40:44.340]  That's even before we go to the crapola.
[01:40:44.340 --> 01:40:49.580]  They do everything wrong.
[01:40:49.580 --> 01:40:52.260]  But then I'm kind of a detail oriented guy.
[01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:56.820]  That's what I'm doing in Nevada, going after the details.
[01:40:56.820 --> 01:40:57.820]  That's where you get...
[01:40:57.820 --> 01:40:59.420]  You electrical engineers are all the same.
[01:40:59.420 --> 01:41:00.420]  Yeah, we are.
[01:41:00.420 --> 01:41:05.700]  I used to work with enough of you guys.
[01:41:05.700 --> 01:41:06.700]  We're all alike.
[01:41:06.700 --> 01:41:14.380]  It is what I like to do is take all these little pieces and put them together and create
[01:41:14.380 --> 01:41:15.460]  something out of it.
[01:41:15.460 --> 01:41:17.420]  I'm an inventor.
[01:41:17.420 --> 01:41:22.700]  The writ of habeas corpus that I produced is an invention.
[01:41:22.700 --> 01:41:25.980]  I made it all up, but it sounds good.
[01:41:25.980 --> 01:41:29.860]  All these disparate little things, all these different things that they're doing.
[01:41:29.860 --> 01:41:32.700]  That's what I'm looking for in Nevada.
[01:41:32.700 --> 01:41:37.300]  They're doing all of these different things and I don't really ask myself, well, why are
[01:41:37.300 --> 01:41:39.340]  they doing that?
[01:41:39.340 --> 01:41:42.260]  I don't care why they're doing that.
[01:41:42.260 --> 01:41:51.340]  I think, how can I make up a story and what pieces can I use to fit into that story to
[01:41:51.340 --> 01:41:55.180]  make a really ugly and convincing sounding story?
[01:41:55.180 --> 01:41:56.860]  That's what I'm after.
[01:41:56.860 --> 01:42:03.060]  My question at this point is, if I was Ray Madden, what would I do with that and your
[01:42:03.060 --> 01:42:04.060]  knowledge?
[01:42:04.060 --> 01:42:09.860]  First thing I would do is motion to disqualify all of the officers involved, disqualify the
[01:42:09.860 --> 01:42:19.660]  judge, disqualify the magistrate who found probable cause, disqualify the presiding judge
[01:42:19.660 --> 01:42:25.860]  in conjunction with the challenge to the jurisdiction, claiming a number of things and all of them
[01:42:25.860 --> 01:42:34.380]  go to trespass ab initio, and then countersue each individual in the criminal action, then
[01:42:34.380 --> 01:42:38.940]  prepare a RICO suit in a civil action against them.
[01:42:38.940 --> 01:42:42.820]  First, we blow away this judge.
[01:42:42.820 --> 01:42:52.580]  Every single misstep by the judge, we prepare and file a judicial conduct complaint.
[01:42:52.580 --> 01:43:01.380]  Every misstep by the prosecutor and by defense counsel, we file bar grievances.
[01:43:01.380 --> 01:43:06.380]  These two things, bar grievances and judicial conduct complaints, oh, and T-Close complaints
[01:43:06.380 --> 01:43:08.740]  against the police officers.
[01:43:08.740 --> 01:43:14.220]  T-Close is a certifying agency for police officers in Texas.
[01:43:14.220 --> 01:43:18.780]  We will ruin their careers.
[01:43:18.780 --> 01:43:26.380]  Every misstep that the prosecutor makes that amounts to a due process violation, we file
[01:43:26.380 --> 01:43:27.380]  criminal charges.
[01:43:27.380 --> 01:43:30.380]  Same with the judge.
[01:43:30.380 --> 01:43:35.380]  In that motion, would that matter even though the case has already been appealed?
[01:43:35.380 --> 01:43:39.300]  Of course it would matter.
[01:43:39.300 --> 01:43:45.520]  Due process violation or subject matter jurisdiction makes it go away.
[01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:47.500]  It never happened.
[01:43:47.500 --> 01:43:53.020]  If we can show that the judge committed a crime, and let me give you an example.
[01:43:53.020 --> 01:43:57.580]  Waco, Texas, this woman, they throw her out of her house.
[01:43:57.580 --> 01:43:58.940]  They foreclosed on her house.
[01:43:58.940 --> 01:44:03.380]  She didn't know anything about it until she gets a knock on her door with a summons to
[01:44:03.380 --> 01:44:07.340]  appear before the JP for eviction proceedings.
[01:44:07.340 --> 01:44:16.380]  Someone filed a...a finance company filed a motion in the court for foreclosure.
[01:44:16.380 --> 01:44:18.740]  The judge comes into court.
[01:44:18.740 --> 01:44:22.140]  The defendant's not there.
[01:44:22.140 --> 01:44:28.300]  You would think he would look at the paperwork and see, well, did they notify her of this
[01:44:28.300 --> 01:44:29.300]  hearing?
[01:44:29.300 --> 01:44:34.420]  There's no certificate of service in the court record.
[01:44:34.420 --> 01:44:40.660]  And the document itself must be verified by statute.
[01:44:40.660 --> 01:44:44.780]  The statute on this one says specifically this document must be verified.
[01:44:44.780 --> 01:44:45.780]  That's notarized.
[01:44:45.780 --> 01:44:53.180]  I look at that and the judge would have to say, I have no subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:44:53.180 --> 01:44:54.180]  But he didn't.
[01:44:54.180 --> 01:44:56.380]  He ruled anyway.
[01:44:56.380 --> 01:45:02.260]  So I filed criminal charges against him.
[01:45:02.260 --> 01:45:04.620]  We also filed a challenge to the jurisdiction.
[01:45:04.620 --> 01:45:12.060]  But if I go out and rent a uniform and get me a pistol and hang it on my hip and throw
[01:45:12.060 --> 01:45:16.060]  a little bubble on the car and pull you over and you tell the police, are they going to
[01:45:16.060 --> 01:45:17.500]  come and challenge my jurisdiction?
[01:45:17.500 --> 01:45:21.820]  They're going to throw my behind in the can?
[01:45:21.820 --> 01:45:26.660]  Well this judge acted without jurisdiction.
[01:45:26.660 --> 01:45:29.660]  That's a crime in Texas.
[01:45:29.660 --> 01:45:33.140]  Even for a federal judge, is that a state crime we can go after him for?
[01:45:33.140 --> 01:45:35.140]  Oh, this is federal court?
[01:45:35.140 --> 01:45:41.660]  Yeah, it was a state charge and then magically it became a federal one.
[01:45:41.660 --> 01:45:45.100]  Oh, we need to get Tony.
[01:45:45.100 --> 01:45:49.860]  Tony is the pro at beating the crap out of federal judges.
[01:45:49.860 --> 01:45:55.180]  First thing we want from that federal judge is a financial statement.
[01:45:55.180 --> 01:46:01.020]  We want to know if he's investing in bid bonds or performance bonds.
[01:46:01.020 --> 01:46:02.620]  That's going to drive the judge crazy.
[01:46:02.620 --> 01:46:07.280]  And yes, and I have a plan for going after federal judges.
[01:46:07.280 --> 01:46:12.460]  Federal judges and U.S. attorneys are in a peculiar position right now.
[01:46:12.460 --> 01:46:16.340]  Remember when Bush got in, what happened to all the U.S. attorneys?
[01:46:16.340 --> 01:46:18.840]  Oh yes.
[01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:24.980]  If you were a U.S. attorney who was hired by the Bush administration, how comfortable
[01:46:24.980 --> 01:46:29.220]  are you going to feel about now?
[01:46:29.220 --> 01:46:34.140]  So they all got to be looking behind them, checking their behinds.
[01:46:34.140 --> 01:46:40.140]  So now we go after them and I have a plan for that.
[01:46:40.140 --> 01:46:48.820]  What we do is we file a complaint against the judge with the U.S. attorney and with
[01:46:48.820 --> 01:46:51.620]  a request that he present it to the grand jury.
[01:46:51.620 --> 01:46:55.260]  Well, he's going to see that request and think nothing of it and say, heck with it, I'm not
[01:46:55.260 --> 01:46:57.220]  going to prosecute a judge.
[01:46:57.220 --> 01:47:04.180]  Well, 18 U.S. Code 3332 states that if a complaint is filed with the prosecuting attorney with
[01:47:04.180 --> 01:47:08.020]  a request that it be given to the grand jury, he shall present it to the grand jury.
[01:47:08.020 --> 01:47:10.820]  Well, he's not going to do that.
[01:47:10.820 --> 01:47:14.740]  Now with that USC 18232, you said?
[01:47:14.740 --> 01:47:18.580]  18 USC 3332.
[01:47:18.580 --> 01:47:20.820]  3332.
[01:47:20.820 --> 01:47:31.060]  So now we prepare a criminal complaint, twelve of them, and address them to grand jury number
[01:47:31.060 --> 01:47:39.700]  one through twelve with the address of the federal district court that impaneled the
[01:47:39.700 --> 01:47:47.620]  grand jury, or consecrated it, that's what Scalia called it, that impaneled the grand
[01:47:47.620 --> 01:47:55.420]  jury, you send it to his office, but the name on it is grand jury 12345, whatever, and you
[01:47:55.420 --> 01:48:01.420]  send a motion to the district court petitioning the district court to appoint an attorney
[01:48:01.420 --> 01:48:09.540]  pro tem to present the complaints included in the documents addressed to the grand jury
[01:48:09.540 --> 01:48:11.540]  to present those to the grand jury.
[01:48:11.540 --> 01:48:16.500]  See, you're just notifying the grand jury that a crime's been committed.
[01:48:16.500 --> 01:48:24.980]  You want the judge to appoint an attorney pro tem, not to be confused with a special
[01:48:24.980 --> 01:48:25.980]  prosecutor.
[01:48:25.980 --> 01:48:32.460]  A special prosecutor assists the prosecutor, an attorney pro tem replaces the prosecutor
[01:48:32.460 --> 01:48:40.140]  because he's disqualified, because he's the one that's accused, and the judge is going
[01:48:40.140 --> 01:48:44.860]  to, we hope that the judge doesn't give the complaints to the grand jury.
[01:48:44.860 --> 01:48:54.540]  Then we file against the judge with the attorney general, petition for a motion to impanel
[01:48:54.540 --> 01:49:00.380]  a special investigating grand jury to investigate into the district judge.
[01:49:00.380 --> 01:49:05.100]  Now we have the U.S. attorney getting the district judge in trouble.
[01:49:05.100 --> 01:49:12.020]  The district judge is not going to be happy, and what Tony's doing, we've got all kinds
[01:49:12.020 --> 01:49:13.020]  of stuff.
[01:49:13.020 --> 01:49:17.340]  We're prosecuting him under Title 18, and we can prove that Title 18 was never passed
[01:49:17.340 --> 01:49:21.220]  by the legislature.
[01:49:21.220 --> 01:49:27.220]  There'll be the Fifth Circuit, and the clerk of the Fifth Circuit two years ago committed
[01:49:27.220 --> 01:49:28.220]  suicide.
[01:49:28.220 --> 01:49:34.460]  One of the reasons in the suicide note was that the Fifth Circuit never reads filings
[01:49:34.460 --> 01:49:35.860]  by pro se litigants.
[01:49:35.860 --> 01:49:40.300]  They throw them out out of hand, so all of the judges are disqualified.
[01:49:40.300 --> 01:49:50.020]  We're really beating them up, and at a time when they're afraid to be beat up.
[01:49:50.020 --> 01:49:54.220]  They're not so worried about actually getting prosecuted, they're worried about their name
[01:49:54.220 --> 01:50:01.220]  coming out in the public, because you've got a new president he's going to want his own
[01:50:01.220 --> 01:50:06.940]  people in, and he's going to start appointing new federal judges.
[01:50:06.940 --> 01:50:12.540]  If he wants to get rid of a judge, he'd just stick his prosecutors on him.
[01:50:12.540 --> 01:50:15.340]  Adios, Bubba.
[01:50:15.340 --> 01:50:18.420]  Turns out that Tony's right.
[01:50:18.420 --> 01:50:25.300]  They do have a weakness, and they are afraid of procedures against them.
[01:50:25.300 --> 01:50:26.780]  So yeah, there's a lot we could do.
[01:50:26.780 --> 01:50:30.820]  I will get ahold of Barry tomorrow and see what I can do.
[01:50:30.820 --> 01:50:37.380]  I'd like to also give you a raise contact information as well, because I know he spent
[01:50:37.380 --> 01:50:40.180]  a quarter of a million dollars on this.
[01:50:40.180 --> 01:50:42.420]  His retirement's pretty much wiped out.
[01:50:42.420 --> 01:50:46.180]  Well, we may be able to get some of it back.
[01:50:46.180 --> 01:50:50.140]  Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because I know my wife was telling me that when I
[01:50:50.140 --> 01:50:52.540]  was explaining to her what I found out.
[01:50:52.540 --> 01:50:57.300]  I thought I was just going to find when I talked to him, like a simple case of planning
[01:50:57.300 --> 01:51:02.700]  drugs, which in and of itself is bad enough, and it can be dealt with.
[01:51:02.700 --> 01:51:07.940]  But going through that narrative, to be honest with you, I was laughing on the phone of how
[01:51:07.940 --> 01:51:08.940]  ridiculous it was.
[01:51:08.940 --> 01:51:09.940]  And he was laughing too.
[01:51:09.940 --> 01:51:14.140]  By the way, he's also another electrical engineer, so you guys can get along just fine.
[01:51:14.140 --> 01:51:15.140]  Oh, okay.
[01:51:15.140 --> 01:51:16.140]  Yeah, we'll get along.
[01:51:16.140 --> 01:51:17.700]  He'll understand how I'm good about this.
[01:51:17.700 --> 01:51:18.700]  Yes.
[01:51:18.700 --> 01:51:22.220]  That's another reason I wanted to bring this.
[01:51:22.220 --> 01:51:30.620]  He's really just done all he's could, and I looked at it right off the bat.
[01:51:30.620 --> 01:51:34.060]  Right off the bat, I counted six things that were done wrong.
[01:51:34.060 --> 01:51:38.500]  Oh, yeah, I'll come up with a whole lot more.
[01:51:38.500 --> 01:51:41.620]  I'm sure there were literally dozens, Dan.
[01:51:41.620 --> 01:51:42.620]  Yeah.
[01:51:42.620 --> 01:51:43.620]  Well, I know there's 23.
[01:51:43.620 --> 01:51:45.260]  I mean, I just glanced at it.
[01:51:45.260 --> 01:51:50.060]  I haven't had time to really do anything, because initially, I wrote the article about
[01:51:50.060 --> 01:51:55.580]  cop busters, now as you guys know me, I'm curious, I'm like, why did he come to this
[01:51:55.580 --> 01:51:57.620]  particular town?
[01:51:57.620 --> 01:52:05.740]  And then I looked into the case and I'm like, oh my God, this is pretty messed up.
[01:52:05.740 --> 01:52:10.940]  The problem is, everywhere I go, it's that way.
[01:52:10.940 --> 01:52:14.220]  Yeah, it's pretty rampant.
[01:52:14.220 --> 01:52:21.980]  And I think part of the reason that it's so rampant is because nobody, the general public,
[01:52:21.980 --> 01:52:30.260]  us, we as sovereigns have not been doing our job to keep a check on our employees, our
[01:52:30.260 --> 01:52:32.740]  servants, their public servants.
[01:52:32.740 --> 01:52:38.500]  We pay their salary, we pay their bill, we elect, or it would be nice if we really elected.
[01:52:38.500 --> 01:52:42.980]  I mean, we don't elect anything anymore with the voting machines as a scam.
[01:52:42.980 --> 01:52:48.660]  I mean, there are no real elections, haven't been any for a long time, but at any rate,
[01:52:48.660 --> 01:52:54.660]  the laws are passed by legislators and most of the time they're actually pretty good laws.
[01:52:54.660 --> 01:52:57.460]  And I'm not talking about bad law.
[01:52:57.460 --> 01:53:00.660]  Libertarians love to talk about bad law, like prohibition and stuff, and I agree that's
[01:53:00.660 --> 01:53:04.320]  bad law, but there is some good law here in Texas.
[01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:07.340]  We have excellent law when it comes to criminal procedure code.
[01:53:07.340 --> 01:53:12.540]  The problem is it's not enforced, because who's going to enforce it?
[01:53:12.540 --> 01:53:13.540]  What are they going to do?
[01:53:13.540 --> 01:53:15.020]  Prosecute themselves?
[01:53:15.020 --> 01:53:20.540]  It's our job to keep them in line with our juries and filing criminal complaints and
[01:53:20.540 --> 01:53:23.900]  all these remedies that we discuss every week.
[01:53:23.900 --> 01:53:28.660]  And the thing is, nobody knows the law, and it's really not that hard.
[01:53:28.660 --> 01:53:30.700]  You don't have to study for years.
[01:53:30.700 --> 01:53:34.460]  It takes you a couple of hours at most to read the criminal procedure code or the penal
[01:53:34.460 --> 01:53:35.740]  code of your state.
[01:53:35.740 --> 01:53:40.460]  But I hate to interrupt, I'm sorry, I'm glad you mentioned that.
[01:53:40.460 --> 01:53:44.180]  You had a caller from Connecticut, I believe his name was Michael.
[01:53:44.180 --> 01:53:47.860]  I don't remember the number, but we do actually have a statute for kidnapping.
[01:53:47.860 --> 01:53:48.860]  Oh, okay.
[01:53:48.860 --> 01:53:54.580]  So, I mean, if he's listening out there, you know, we actually do have a statute.
[01:53:54.580 --> 01:53:55.580]  Good.
[01:53:55.580 --> 01:53:57.900]  Yeah, that's usually the case.
[01:53:57.900 --> 01:54:04.420]  Everybody talks false imprisonment, but false imprisonment is the cause of action.
[01:54:04.420 --> 01:54:06.500]  Generally the crime is kidnapping.
[01:54:06.500 --> 01:54:07.500]  Right.
[01:54:07.500 --> 01:54:09.900]  And here are all of these guys' problems.
[01:54:09.900 --> 01:54:15.940]  We start down the line and the first due process violation we find costs them subject matter
[01:54:15.940 --> 01:54:19.500]  jurisdiction from the beginning, ab initio.
[01:54:19.500 --> 01:54:23.100]  We go back to the beginning and we sue the first guy.
[01:54:23.100 --> 01:54:26.380]  And everybody else who touches the tar baby, we sue them.
[01:54:26.380 --> 01:54:29.660]  The main one we want to sue is the judge.
[01:54:29.660 --> 01:54:35.180]  And Randy, this is a new piece of information that you have come up with that you started
[01:54:35.180 --> 01:54:36.940]  presenting last week.
[01:54:36.940 --> 01:54:40.820]  Most judges, pretty much in every case, are immune from civil litigation.
[01:54:40.820 --> 01:54:45.900]  No one is immune from criminal prosecution, but judges are immune from civil litigation,
[01:54:45.900 --> 01:54:52.740]  but only for their judicial actions, their judicial decisions, not their administrative
[01:54:52.740 --> 01:54:53.740]  decisions.
[01:54:53.740 --> 01:54:59.580]  They can still get sued for administrative decision making that is damaging.
[01:54:59.580 --> 01:55:00.580]  Yeah.
[01:55:00.580 --> 01:55:04.460]  Sometimes you look at something so much you don't see it.
[01:55:04.460 --> 01:55:05.460]  That is major, man.
[01:55:05.460 --> 01:55:06.460]  That is major.
[01:55:06.460 --> 01:55:15.100]  And we've all known that a judge has no immunity from civil litigation for administrative decisions.
[01:55:15.100 --> 01:55:23.880]  But it hadn't occurred to me before to set the judge up to get him to make a bogus administrative
[01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:26.700]  decision so you can sue him.
[01:55:26.700 --> 01:55:34.100]  See everything, part of what Randy's strategy is, is that he sets him up to creating torts.
[01:55:34.100 --> 01:55:35.620]  He causes them to stumble.
[01:55:35.620 --> 01:55:39.580]  He puts stumbling blocks in front of him, and the honest truth is they put the stumbling
[01:55:39.580 --> 01:55:43.140]  blocks in front of themselves because they're just bumbling all over the place anyway.
[01:55:43.140 --> 01:55:48.340]  Yeah, it's just a matter of looking real close and sorting out the details.
[01:55:48.340 --> 01:55:53.460]  The devil's always in the details.
[01:55:53.460 --> 01:56:00.300]  And once you've done this once, I studied Texas law and then I went to Pennsylvania
[01:56:00.300 --> 01:56:06.580]  for a client up there, pulled out the penal code, took me two hours to go through it.
[01:56:06.580 --> 01:56:11.140]  And wow, I found some gems in there.
[01:56:11.140 --> 01:56:14.140]  And then I went to Nevada, and Nevada was a lot harder.
[01:56:14.140 --> 01:56:19.220]  I couldn't find an actual penal code, so I had to find it all online, and it took a lot
[01:56:19.220 --> 01:56:25.660]  more digging and took a lot of digging in Lexus, but it's beginning to pieces or beginning
[01:56:25.660 --> 01:56:34.020]  to fit together of what they should do because I already have the formula of how it ought
[01:56:34.020 --> 01:56:35.340]  to be done.
[01:56:35.340 --> 01:56:40.620]  And then when I read the code, I can see where it fits in the formula.
[01:56:40.620 --> 01:56:46.140]  And the code I found really fit the standard federal formula really well.
[01:56:46.140 --> 01:56:53.660]  It's just these guys, they tend to read one statute at a time, and they don't read the
[01:56:53.660 --> 01:56:59.340]  code in paramateria as if it were all one piece.
[01:56:59.340 --> 01:57:01.340]  They don't look at the big picture.
[01:57:01.340 --> 01:57:02.340]  They don't.
[01:57:02.340 --> 01:57:03.340]  Yeah.
[01:57:03.340 --> 01:57:07.820]  They don't look at how the statute way up in the front applies to this statute in the
[01:57:07.820 --> 01:57:10.780]  back, which applies to the one in the middle.
[01:57:10.780 --> 01:57:12.500]  That's why I try to get people just read through it.
[01:57:12.500 --> 01:57:18.260]  Don't try to understand it, just read it and go back to the front and read it again.
[01:57:18.260 --> 01:57:22.600]  Once you've read all those statutes at the back, you read these up in the front, like
[01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:29.900]  I read article 2.10 that says it's the duty of the magistrate to keep the peace in the
[01:57:29.900 --> 01:57:36.240]  county using all process, 2.11 says that when a magistrate sits for the purpose of examining
[01:57:36.240 --> 01:57:41.740]  into a criminal accusation, that is an examining trial.
[01:57:41.740 --> 01:57:47.620]  Then I say, oh, that's what chapter 16 was all about.
[01:57:47.620 --> 01:57:57.340]  And when I read 1730, that after an examining trial, the judge was supposed to seal all
[01:57:57.340 --> 01:57:58.860]  the documents had in the case.
[01:57:58.860 --> 01:58:03.900]  And then they say, well, we do as a magistration, I said, no, no, go back up to 2.10 or 2.11,
[01:58:03.900 --> 01:58:04.900]  Bubba.
[01:58:04.900 --> 01:58:09.420]  And then go down to 1705 and then look at 1517.
[01:58:09.420 --> 01:58:12.500]  And they look at all of those and all of a sudden it fits together for them.
[01:58:12.500 --> 01:58:13.500]  Okay.
[01:58:13.500 --> 01:58:14.500]  Well, look, we're at the top of the hour.
[01:58:14.500 --> 01:58:17.460]  We're going to go to break, okay?
[01:58:17.460 --> 01:58:21.180]  I want to open up the phone lines now so we can start taking some calls.
[01:58:21.180 --> 01:58:26.580]  And in the next segment, I want to finish discussing our strategies and plans for Jacqueline's
[01:58:26.580 --> 01:58:27.580]  case.
[01:58:27.580 --> 01:58:30.300]  And Dan, you're welcome to hold on as well.
[01:58:30.300 --> 01:58:31.300]  We'll be right back.
[01:58:31.300 --> 01:58:36.820]  This is the rule of law on rule of law radio, ruleoflawradio.com, Randy Kelton and Deborah
[01:58:36.820 --> 01:58:41.380]  Stevens, Three Shoes Posse, go to threeshoesposse.com to check out my band.
[01:58:41.380 --> 01:58:46.100]  We've given the bad guys three shoes, two on their feet and one you know where.
[01:58:46.100 --> 01:58:48.100]  We'll be right back.
[01:59:16.460 --> 01:59:21.300]  If you are a Chucky Chucky
[01:59:21.460 --> 01:59:23.220]  You better chop from me
[01:59:25.940 --> 01:59:28.260]  I'm like a stepping razor
[01:59:28.260 --> 01:59:29.940]  Watch my size
[01:59:29.940 --> 01:59:31.460]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:31.460 --> 01:59:33.460]  I'm so dangerous
[01:59:33.460 --> 01:59:35.460]  I'm like a chopping razor
[01:59:35.460 --> 01:59:37.460]  Don't watch my size
[01:59:37.460 --> 01:59:39.380]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:39.380 --> 01:59:41.300]  Dangerous
[01:59:41.300 --> 01:59:43.300]  If you eat that seed
[01:59:43.300 --> 01:59:46.300]  If you drink, let's be good
[01:59:47.300 --> 01:59:50.300]  If you drink, let's soup
[01:59:50.300 --> 02:00:16.300]  You better drink, be good