[00:00.000 --> 00:05.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[00:05.500 --> 00:09.500]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[00:09.500 --> 00:11.000]  Our liberty depends on it.
[00:11.000 --> 00:16.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember your First Amendment rights.
[00:16.500 --> 00:18.500]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.500 --> 00:22.000]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.000 --> 00:26.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:26.500 --> 00:32.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.000 --> 00:34.500]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[00:45.500 --> 00:47.500]  Spar, it's what fighters do.
[00:47.500 --> 00:51.000]  It's also how I remember the five guarantees of the First Amendment.
[00:51.000 --> 00:54.000]  If you plan to take away my rights, I'm going to spar with you.
[00:54.000 --> 00:56.500]  Spar with an extra P.
[00:56.500 --> 01:03.000]  S for speech, P for press, another P for petition, A for assembly, and R for religion.
[01:03.000 --> 01:08.500]  Most Americans are familiar with the First Amendment guarantees of free speech, press, assembly, and religion.
[01:08.500 --> 01:10.500]  But petition for redress is another matter.
[01:10.500 --> 01:14.500]  We have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[01:14.500 --> 01:17.500]  It means that if we're unhappy with what's going on in our government,
[01:17.500 --> 01:21.000]  we can spell out the reasons without fear of being thrown into jail.
[01:21.000 --> 01:30.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:30.500 --> 01:34.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:34.500 --> 01:38.000]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:38.000 --> 01:39.500]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:39.500 --> 01:43.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way
[01:43.000 --> 01:46.000]  to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:46.000 --> 01:48.000]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:48.000 --> 01:51.500]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:51.500 --> 01:56.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[01:56.500 --> 01:58.000]  So protect your rights.
[01:58.000 --> 02:01.500]  Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[02:01.500 --> 02:04.000]  Privacy. It's worth hanging on to.
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[02:15.500 --> 02:19.500]  When I think of the Second Amendment, I visualize myself wrapping my two arms
[02:19.500 --> 02:22.000]  around the Bill of Rights in a big old bear hug.
[02:22.000 --> 02:26.000]  It's how I remember that the Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms,
[02:26.000 --> 02:30.000]  arms that embrace our freedoms and won't let anyone take them away without a fight.
[02:30.000 --> 02:33.500]  Get it? Two arms, bear hug, bear arms?
[02:33.500 --> 02:37.500]  The late Senator Hubert Humphrey captured the spirit of the Second Amendment so well
[02:37.500 --> 02:38.500]  when he said,
[02:38.500 --> 02:43.500]  The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government,
[02:43.500 --> 02:47.500]  one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America,
[02:47.500 --> 02:51.000]  but which historically has proved to always be possible.
[02:51.000 --> 03:14.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[03:21.000 --> 03:27.500]  What you gonna do? What you gonna do?
[03:27.500 --> 03:30.500]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[03:30.500 --> 03:33.000]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:33.000 --> 03:36.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[03:36.000 --> 03:38.500]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.500 --> 03:41.500]  When you were eight and you had bad traits,
[03:41.500 --> 03:44.000]  you'd go to school and learn the golden rule.
[03:44.000 --> 03:47.000]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[03:47.000 --> 03:49.500]  If you get hot, then you might get cool.
[03:49.500 --> 03:52.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[03:52.000 --> 03:54.500]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:54.500 --> 03:57.500]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[03:57.500 --> 04:00.500]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:00.500 --> 04:03.000]  You chock it on that one. You chock it on this one.
[04:03.000 --> 04:06.000]  You chock it on your mother and you chock it on your father.
[04:06.000 --> 04:08.500]  You chock it on your brother and you chock it on your sister.
[04:08.500 --> 04:11.500]  You chock it on that one, then you chock it on me!
[04:11.500 --> 04:14.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[04:14.000 --> 04:18.000]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:18.000 --> 04:27.000]  This will go down in history as a demonstration of how a republic is supposed to work.
[04:27.000 --> 04:31.000]  Brett, did you look at the news today?
[04:31.000 --> 04:34.000]  I didn't see anything about this, uh, the Bronx and stuff.
[04:34.000 --> 04:39.000]  I did. I just looked it up.
[04:39.000 --> 04:46.000]  Your mic just cut out again.
[04:46.000 --> 04:49.000]  I'm hearing your clicking there, but...
[04:49.000 --> 04:51.000]  Okay. Is that any better?
[04:51.000 --> 04:52.000]  There you are.
[04:52.000 --> 04:53.000]  Okay.
[04:53.000 --> 04:55.000]  Tell us what you saw on the news.
[04:55.000 --> 05:00.000]  A historic case has been docketed by the United States Supreme Court.
[05:00.000 --> 05:10.000]  Case number 22-380, Todd or Brunson v. Adams, has reached the highest court in the land by writ of certiorari from the 10th Circuit of Appeals.
[05:10.000 --> 05:25.000]  The petitioner of the case, Raylon J. Brunson, is suing 388 federal officers, including former President Mike Pence, President Joe Biden, and Vice President Kamala Harris.
[05:25.000 --> 05:28.000]  They docketed it.
[05:28.000 --> 05:35.000]  So it's up and on, and I suspect they will rule very quickly.
[05:35.000 --> 05:38.000]  It sure sounds like that's the plan.
[05:38.000 --> 05:46.000]  And I was telling them, you know, like the governor rescinded all those executive orders from my complaint.
[05:46.000 --> 05:55.000]  It wasn't because of my complaint, but my complaint gave him plausible deniability to do something he wanted to do in the beginning to start with.
[05:55.000 --> 06:07.000]  And we had our attorney general file these trash suits, and a number of people filed suits against the election, and the courts threw them all out because they weren't well-founded.
[06:07.000 --> 06:14.000]  These guys, not attorneys, put them all to shame.
[06:14.000 --> 06:25.000]  Three pro se guys in Utah, they will get the legislature thrown out.
[06:25.000 --> 06:29.000]  Nothing like this has ever happened.
[06:29.000 --> 06:33.000]  Yeah, it's looking pretty exciting.
[06:33.000 --> 06:37.000]  They're giving us our republic back.
[06:37.000 --> 06:38.000]  Exciting?
[06:38.000 --> 06:40.000]  This is incredible.
[06:40.000 --> 06:45.000]  And I still want to know, Brett, why didn't you think of it?
[06:45.000 --> 06:49.000]  I would have thought about it first if you had reminded me to think of it.
[06:49.000 --> 06:50.000]  I'm old.
[06:50.000 --> 06:51.000]  I forget.
[06:51.000 --> 06:53.000]  I got an excuse.
[06:53.000 --> 06:55.000]  No, it's a great idea.
[06:55.000 --> 07:03.000]  And even when we were kind of analyzing what was failing before, we would say, oh, this state tried to sue.
[07:03.000 --> 07:05.000]  Well, obviously the state doesn't have standing.
[07:05.000 --> 07:11.000]  Of course, the state is a fictional entity, and it doesn't get harmed by this.
[07:11.000 --> 07:21.000]  But the people could have taken up that suit and done it, but then we still didn't turn around and think of actually pushing that button ourselves.
[07:21.000 --> 07:24.000]  All right, we're just about to go to sponsors here.
[07:24.000 --> 07:26.000]  We'll try again to see if we can get Lloyd.
[07:26.000 --> 07:30.000]  We'll be right back.
[07:30.000 --> 07:35.000]  It's clear cell phones have changed the way we live and work, but have they negatively affected our health?
[07:35.000 --> 07:43.000]  Hi, Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be back in just a moment with new findings about how cell phones may actually alter our brain chemistry.
[07:43.000 --> 07:45.000]  Privacy is under attack.
[07:45.000 --> 07:48.000]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[07:48.000 --> 07:53.000]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[07:53.000 --> 07:58.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[07:58.000 --> 08:01.000]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[08:12.000 --> 08:14.000]  Cell phones emit radio frequency energy.
[08:14.000 --> 08:15.000]  It's a fact.
[08:15.000 --> 08:20.000]  But whether it's dangerous to have a phone beaming this kind of radiation near your head has been disputed.
[08:20.000 --> 08:25.000]  Some have blamed it for brain tumors, while cell phone companies have downplayed concerns.
[08:25.000 --> 08:30.000]  Well, now the Journal of the American Medical Association is confirming that cell phones affect brain chemistry.
[08:30.000 --> 08:39.000]  A study of 47 volunteers showed that glucose metabolism in the area of the brain closest to the cell phone antenna increases when the cell phone is on.
[08:39.000 --> 08:44.000]  While researchers aren't sure whether this exposure causes damage, I'm not taking any chances.
[08:44.000 --> 08:48.000]  I always keep the phone far from my body, and I use a corded headset.
[08:48.000 --> 08:58.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
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[10:42.000 --> 10:53.000]  Yeah, I got a warrant and I gonna solve them to the government them, prosecute them.
[10:53.000 --> 10:57.000]  Okay.
[10:57.000 --> 11:13.000]  Well, I need a prosecutor to come and help me prosecute them wicked leaders.
[11:13.000 --> 11:15.000]  You see, the murderers are liars.
[11:15.000 --> 11:18.000]  Them tell me, them are liars.
[11:18.000 --> 11:19.000]  They tell six stories.
[11:19.000 --> 11:20.000]  Me not believe.
[11:20.000 --> 11:21.000]  Me say what them tell me.
[11:21.000 --> 11:24.000]  Three percent of America vote for Bush.
[11:24.000 --> 11:26.000]  So how the hell you get the presidency?
[11:26.000 --> 11:29.000]  That's why me have a warrant for him.
[11:29.000 --> 11:31.000]  Everybody listen carefully.
[11:31.000 --> 11:33.000]  Listen to the words of the three shoes for see.
[11:33.000 --> 11:37.000]  This is arrest for Mr. Bush.
[11:37.000 --> 11:42.000]  This is a warrant for Dick Cheney.
[11:42.000 --> 11:47.000]  This is arrest for Mr. Bush.
[11:47.000 --> 11:52.000]  This is a warrant for Dick Cheney.
[11:52.000 --> 11:57.000]  This is a warrant for Dick Cheney.
[11:57.000 --> 11:58.000]  Okay.
[11:58.000 --> 11:59.000]  We are back.
[11:59.000 --> 12:02.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, the ruler of our radio.
[12:02.000 --> 12:06.000]  And we do have a caller.
[12:06.000 --> 12:07.000]  Do you know Kevin?
[12:07.000 --> 12:10.000]  This is the first time caller.
[12:10.000 --> 12:11.000]  Kevin.
[12:11.000 --> 12:12.000]  Kind of like Jack.
[12:12.000 --> 12:13.000]  I don't recognize that name.
[12:13.000 --> 12:15.000]  Do you know Jack?
[12:15.000 --> 12:16.000]  I don't know Jack.
[12:16.000 --> 12:17.000]  Everybody tells me.
[12:17.000 --> 12:21.000]  That's what I thought.
[12:21.000 --> 12:24.000]  Okay, Kevin.
[12:24.000 --> 12:28.000]  Are you there?
[12:28.000 --> 12:32.000]  Well, looks like Kevin just refresh.
[12:32.000 --> 12:33.000]  Yeah, Kevin's still there.
[12:33.000 --> 12:34.000]  You're unmuted.
[12:34.000 --> 12:36.000]  Are you there, Kevin?
[12:36.000 --> 12:37.000]  Yeah, I'm here.
[12:37.000 --> 12:41.000]  All right.
[12:41.000 --> 12:47.000]  What do you have for us today?
[12:47.000 --> 12:51.000]  I was just calling about the, wanted to hear about that case.
[12:51.000 --> 12:55.000]  I thought Mr. Brunton was supposed to be on this evening.
[12:55.000 --> 12:56.000]  Yes, he is.
[12:56.000 --> 13:00.000]  But this is our call-in line, not our listener line.
[13:00.000 --> 13:09.000]  So since you're on the call-in line, now you have to ask us a really insightful and intuitive question.
[13:09.000 --> 13:11.000]  Well, I do apologize.
[13:11.000 --> 13:12.000]  No, no, no.
[13:12.000 --> 13:13.000]  Don't apologize.
[13:13.000 --> 13:14.000]  Dig deep.
[13:14.000 --> 13:18.000]  Ask us something that's hard to answer.
[13:18.000 --> 13:23.000]  I wouldn't put you on the dime or anything.
[13:23.000 --> 13:30.000]  I'd rather put you on a quarter.
[13:30.000 --> 13:31.000]  Okay.
[13:31.000 --> 13:35.000]  Yeah, I'm looking at this and I'm astounded.
[13:35.000 --> 13:40.000]  And in a way, I'm kind of embarrassed.
[13:40.000 --> 13:53.000]  You know, I get on here and I huff and puff and I run my mouth about that you ought to stand up and be counted and be the master of the servant.
[13:53.000 --> 13:57.000]  And I didn't do this.
[13:57.000 --> 13:59.000]  Some guys I never heard of did this.
[13:59.000 --> 14:04.000]  And I've heard of most of the people in legal reform.
[14:04.000 --> 14:12.000]  And that makes this even better if a policeman met these guys on the street.
[14:12.000 --> 14:15.000]  They would think they were ordinary joes.
[14:15.000 --> 14:18.000]  And they are.
[14:18.000 --> 14:20.000]  This is perfect.
[14:20.000 --> 14:23.000]  That makes it so much better.
[14:23.000 --> 14:24.000]  And Kevin, you're right.
[14:24.000 --> 14:27.000]  We were actually trying to get him on.
[14:27.000 --> 14:29.000]  He said he was going to be on.
[14:29.000 --> 14:32.000]  And I guess he might be having some technical difficulty.
[14:32.000 --> 14:37.000]  He hasn't been responding as we're trying to get him connected.
[14:37.000 --> 14:39.000]  But we're going to continue trying here.
[14:39.000 --> 14:44.000]  Hopefully here soon we'll have him speak to this.
[14:44.000 --> 14:49.000]  He has a lot to unpack and we're really looking forward to hearing his story as well.
[14:49.000 --> 14:50.000]  Okay.
[14:50.000 --> 14:54.000]  And Kevin, we're going to let you off the hook this time.
[14:54.000 --> 15:07.000]  For calling in on the call-in line to listen to the show, I'd like you to take the phone receiver and beat yourself around the eyes and the ears severely.
[15:07.000 --> 15:13.000]  You can go to logosradionetwork.com and there's a play button right there at the top.
[15:13.000 --> 15:16.000]  You can just listen to it stream.
[15:16.000 --> 15:18.000]  Also there's a TXLR.net.
[15:18.000 --> 15:25.000]  They've got a listen line off of there as well, TXLR.net.
[15:25.000 --> 15:28.000]  So either one of those is good for listening.
[15:28.000 --> 15:31.000]  Our call-in line only holds four callers.
[15:31.000 --> 15:35.000]  So if we have people listening, then the callers can't get into us.
[15:35.000 --> 15:36.000]  Okay.
[15:36.000 --> 15:37.000]  I'm going to let y'all go.
[15:37.000 --> 15:38.000]  Thank you.
[15:38.000 --> 15:39.000]  Okay.
[15:39.000 --> 15:40.000]  Thank you, Kevin.
[15:40.000 --> 15:42.000]  Okay.
[15:42.000 --> 15:45.000]  Now we're going to John in New York.
[15:45.000 --> 15:47.000]  Hello, John.
[15:47.000 --> 15:48.000]  Hello.
[15:48.000 --> 15:49.000]  How are you doing, Randy?
[15:49.000 --> 15:50.000]  I'm doing good.
[15:50.000 --> 15:54.000]  Have you done your homework on this case?
[15:54.000 --> 15:56.000]  Well, yes, I have.
[15:56.000 --> 15:57.000]  What?
[15:57.000 --> 15:58.000]  What?
[15:58.000 --> 15:59.000]  What?
[15:59.000 --> 16:01.000]  You're calling in our show after last night?
[16:01.000 --> 16:04.000]  We bumped you for this guy.
[16:04.000 --> 16:05.000]  And you didn't do your homework?
[16:05.000 --> 16:11.000]  I was counting on you to have all the details because I tend to not listen to the news.
[16:11.000 --> 16:14.000]  So I had to look it up.
[16:14.000 --> 16:15.000]  I did.
[16:15.000 --> 16:16.000]  I did do my homework.
[16:16.000 --> 16:17.000]  Good.
[16:17.000 --> 16:18.000]  Good.
[16:18.000 --> 16:19.000]  Good.
[16:19.000 --> 16:20.000]  Tell us about it.
[16:20.000 --> 16:21.000]  That's not what I'm calling about.
[16:21.000 --> 16:22.000]  Who cares?
[16:22.000 --> 16:23.000]  One question.
[16:23.000 --> 16:26.000]  So far, one question that's really important.
[16:26.000 --> 16:27.000]  And here we go.
[16:27.000 --> 16:36.000]  When you're in court, let's say you're in traffic court, and you want to question their jurisdiction,
[16:36.000 --> 16:38.000]  you want to, what's the word?
[16:38.000 --> 16:39.000]  Not question.
[16:39.000 --> 16:40.000]  What's the word?
[16:40.000 --> 16:41.000]  Challenge.
[16:41.000 --> 16:42.000]  Challenge.
[16:42.000 --> 16:43.000]  That's it.
[16:43.000 --> 16:48.000]  So when you want to challenge jurisdiction, what do you say?
[16:48.000 --> 16:53.000]  I am here at arm's length to the court.
[16:53.000 --> 16:58.000]  I challenge the subject matter jurisdiction of the court, or I challenge the impersonal
[16:58.000 --> 17:00.000]  jurisdiction of the court.
[17:00.000 --> 17:03.000]  You tell them that you challenge the jurisdiction.
[17:03.000 --> 17:06.000]  There's no magic words for that.
[17:06.000 --> 17:07.000]  Okay.
[17:07.000 --> 17:10.000]  Just say, I challenge the jurisdiction of the court.
[17:10.000 --> 17:13.000]  And what do you think the judge is, how he's going to respond?
[17:13.000 --> 17:15.000]  What do you think he might say?
[17:15.000 --> 17:18.000]  Oh, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny.
[17:18.000 --> 17:20.000]  That's what they all say.
[17:20.000 --> 17:21.000]  Yeah.
[17:21.000 --> 17:25.000]  They say, oh, I'm pretty sure we have jurisdiction.
[17:25.000 --> 17:27.000]  On what grounds, Your Honor?
[17:27.000 --> 17:29.000]  No grounds necessary.
[17:29.000 --> 17:32.000]  They'll blow right past it any way they think they can get away with.
[17:32.000 --> 17:33.000]  Then you ask the bailiff.
[17:33.000 --> 17:34.000]  That's okay.
[17:34.000 --> 17:36.000]  You've raised the issue.
[17:36.000 --> 17:38.000]  You drew a line in the sand.
[17:38.000 --> 17:40.000]  They were lawless and they did their own thing.
[17:40.000 --> 17:42.000]  So now you can hold them accountable for that.
[17:42.000 --> 17:45.000]  If you never raised the issue, you can't hold them accountable.
[17:45.000 --> 17:49.000]  That's another lawsuit I need to write.
[17:49.000 --> 18:06.000]  If I claim that a judge does not have subject matter jurisdiction and the judge denies the motion and does not prove up jurisdiction, then I should be able to sue him in his personal capacity.
[18:06.000 --> 18:07.000]  I see.
[18:07.000 --> 18:11.000]  And what do you call that suit?
[18:11.000 --> 18:14.000]  Real pain in the butt.
[18:14.000 --> 18:17.000]  Here's what I'm getting.
[18:17.000 --> 18:21.000]  I call it a civil suit against a judge in his personal capacity.
[18:21.000 --> 18:31.000]  And understand when you write a suit, it's not what you can prove that keeps you in the court.
[18:31.000 --> 18:34.000]  It is the nature of your claim.
[18:34.000 --> 18:38.000]  In the Brunson case, see that nice segue right back there?
[18:38.000 --> 18:45.000]  In the Brunson case, all of these senators and state reps claimed official immunity.
[18:45.000 --> 18:58.000]  But the Brunson said that their act was outside the scope of their authority as they accused them of treason, treason against the Constitution.
[18:58.000 --> 19:02.000]  And treason is not within scope.
[19:02.000 --> 19:08.000]  So what keeps you in court is not what you can prove.
[19:08.000 --> 19:14.000]  At this point, it's not relevant whether the Brunsons could prove up their case or not.
[19:14.000 --> 19:21.000]  The Supreme is not going to look at the level of proof behind their claim.
[19:21.000 --> 19:25.000]  They're going to look at this nature of the claim.
[19:25.000 --> 19:37.000]  Did the Brunsons make a claim whereby if the court accepts all of the assertions of the Brunsons as true,
[19:37.000 --> 19:47.000]  and that's what they must do for this limited purpose, for the purpose of determining standing,
[19:47.000 --> 19:55.000]  they must look at all of the—must accept all of the statements of fact as true.
[19:55.000 --> 20:04.000]  And if all of these facts were proven to be true, would the Brunsons have a claim?
[20:04.000 --> 20:06.000]  So that's what's before the court.
[20:06.000 --> 20:14.000]  They have claimed that the legislators breached their contract with the public.
[20:14.000 --> 20:21.000]  They swore on their oath they would do a certain thing, and then they refused to do that thing,
[20:21.000 --> 20:29.000]  and by so doing allowed a election that could potentially be fraudulent to go forward
[20:29.000 --> 20:38.000]  and allow public officials into office that were in office under criminal circumstances.
[20:38.000 --> 20:42.000]  So that's the only thing before the Supreme.
[20:42.000 --> 20:46.000]  And they have picked it up rather quickly.
[20:46.000 --> 20:51.000]  And I fully suspect that just like those complaints I filed against the governor,
[20:51.000 --> 20:57.000]  the Supreme was hoping somebody would give them this.
[20:57.000 --> 21:06.000]  They know this is wrong, but they can't on their own bring up the issue.
[21:06.000 --> 21:10.000]  Somebody has to bring it to them.
[21:10.000 --> 21:12.000]  And the Brunsons did that.
[21:12.000 --> 21:14.000]  So hang on.
[21:14.000 --> 21:18.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, who rules by radio.
[21:18.000 --> 21:22.000]  Okay, the call board's pretty well filled up, so I won't give up calling numbers.
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[24:23.000 --> 24:26.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio.
[24:26.000 --> 24:38.000]  And we were going to talk to John in New York, but John, after last night, he didn't even do his homework, and now we have Lloyd Brunson on.
[24:38.000 --> 24:42.000]  So, John, are you there?
[24:42.000 --> 24:46.000]  I did my homework, yes I did, but that's not what I'm asking you about.
[24:46.000 --> 24:50.000]  Okay, if you're not asking us about that, hang on, we have a guest.
[24:50.000 --> 24:52.000]  We'll come back to you after the guest.
[24:52.000 --> 24:54.000]  Okay, that's fine.
[24:54.000 --> 24:56.000]  Okay, thank you, John.
[24:56.000 --> 25:14.000]  Okay, Mr. Lloyd Brunson, the man of the hour, give us a good synopsis of the case so we understand what you're doing and where you're going and what you're trying to achieve.
[25:14.000 --> 25:16.000]  All right.
[25:16.000 --> 25:22.000]  Okay, there are actually a couple of cases that we launched, one in federal court, one in state court.
[25:22.000 --> 25:24.000]  Excuse me.
[25:24.000 --> 25:28.000]  The second one launched with my brother's name on it as plaintiff was launched in state court.
[25:28.000 --> 25:31.000]  The attorneys removed it to federal court, which was fine.
[25:31.000 --> 25:35.000]  The goal was to get it to the Supreme Court, and so there it is right now.
[25:35.000 --> 25:39.000]  The case has nothing to do with the outcome of the election.
[25:39.000 --> 25:46.000]  It's not trying to prove that there was a substantial amount of fraud that would affect the outcome of the election.
[25:46.000 --> 25:48.000]  It's not about that at all.
[25:48.000 --> 25:58.000]  It's about what you mentioned earlier very well, and that is that there are many members of Congress that we've refused to investigate.
[25:58.000 --> 26:09.000]  There were over 100, I think 121 witnesses, members of the U.S. House and Senate that said that there needed to be an investigation and voted for an investigation,
[26:09.000 --> 26:14.000]  and they had a mountain of evidence that was there for the congressional hearing.
[26:14.000 --> 26:20.000]  And still, over 300 members of Congress refused to pause even for 10 days to investigate.
[26:20.000 --> 26:32.000]  And so that's what we sued about. We're suing members of Congress for not doing their job, for violating their oath of office.
[26:32.000 --> 26:34.000]  Article 6 of the Constitution is very clear.
[26:34.000 --> 26:39.000]  It states, they shall be bound by oath to this Constitution.
[26:39.000 --> 26:47.000]  Well, they are bound by the oath that they took to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies,
[26:47.000 --> 26:58.000]  foreign and domestic, which includes investigating if there are signs or evidences or witnesses of enemies that could threaten our national security.
[26:58.000 --> 27:04.000]  And so because they passed on that and voted against it, that's why we're suing them.
[27:04.000 --> 27:12.000]  And so we're asking the Supreme Court to remove them from office and bar them from ever holding public office again,
[27:12.000 --> 27:25.000]  in other words, to protect the United States federally and locally from another security breach that could be caused by these breachers, I guess you could say.
[27:25.000 --> 27:35.000]  So the Supreme Court right now has the most powerful case probably in the history of this country to remove 385 sitting members of the U.S. House and Senate,
[27:35.000 --> 27:42.000]  sitting president and vice president, and to bar them from holding office ever again and to bar Mike Pence.
[27:42.000 --> 27:45.000]  Mike Pence is also a defendant who responded in this case.
[27:45.000 --> 27:51.000]  And this is not just a regular petition that is presented to the Supreme Court.
[27:51.000 --> 27:55.000]  We did not have a decision from the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals,
[27:55.000 --> 28:06.000]  so we had to follow Rule 11 of the United States Supreme Court asking them to look at this petition and qualify it, categorize it as a national emergency.
[28:06.000 --> 28:15.000]  That's the only way we could get it docketed is for the Supreme Court to confirm our Rule 11 platform that it was a national emergency.
[28:15.000 --> 28:17.000]  Well, they did just that.
[28:17.000 --> 28:25.000]  And not only did they do that, but they asked us to include documents that were not required, which we did.
[28:25.000 --> 28:27.000]  And so we got it to them.
[28:27.000 --> 28:35.000]  Actually, just before we were about to send it to them with their improvements, with the documents they wanted, the 10th Circuit made a decision.
[28:35.000 --> 28:44.000]  So that made it easier that we were able to slim down the format and the printing and not include the Rule 11 documentation in it.
[28:44.000 --> 28:47.000]  It does not change the fact that it's a national emergency.
[28:47.000 --> 28:54.000]  It's just that now it's not needed to, you know, to get it to them in that format.
[28:54.000 --> 28:59.000]  And so we called them up and asked them if we should take that out, if we needed to take it out.
[28:59.000 --> 29:01.000]  The Rule 11 sent the 10th Circuit and made a decision.
[29:01.000 --> 29:03.000]  And they said, take it out.
[29:03.000 --> 29:04.000]  We don't need it.
[29:04.000 --> 29:06.000]  And then they asked us how soon they could get it.
[29:06.000 --> 29:08.000]  My brother said it's going to take about two weeks.
[29:08.000 --> 29:15.000]  And the clerk's office, the case analyst said, we'd like to get it sooner than that. How soon can you get it to us?
[29:15.000 --> 29:18.000]  And he says, well, we'll try to get it to you sooner than two weeks.
[29:18.000 --> 29:20.000]  And we were able to get it to them a week earlier.
[29:20.000 --> 29:21.000]  We sent it on a Thursday.
[29:21.000 --> 29:23.000]  They received it on a Friday.
[29:23.000 --> 29:25.000]  They docked it on a Monday.
[29:25.000 --> 29:31.000]  And then they notified the U.S. attorneys that they had about 30 days to file an opposition, which they failed to do.
[29:31.000 --> 29:38.000]  And the day that it was due, the opposition, they had one chance to file an opposition before it goes into conference space. They did not do that.
[29:38.000 --> 29:40.000]  The U.S. attorneys were relieved of their duties.
[29:40.000 --> 29:50.000]  And the United States Attorney General came on board the day that it was due and filed a waiver waiving their right to file an opposition before it goes into conference.
[29:50.000 --> 29:56.000]  And the U.S. Solicitor General could have easily asked for an extension, could have easily filed an opposition that she chose not to do that.
[29:56.000 --> 29:59.000]  So I just want to emphasize that this case is about the Office of Office.
[29:59.000 --> 30:00.000]  It's about the Constitution.
[30:00.000 --> 30:02.000]  It's about the opening binding.
[30:02.000 --> 30:15.000]  And we're asking the court to strip representatives of their unconstitutional immunities that they have with federal and state-led legislation and to move forward with securing this national security breach
[30:15.000 --> 30:26.000]  and not allowing it to ever happen again by removing the defendants, 387 of them, and barring them from holding office ever again.
[30:26.000 --> 30:31.000]  This is more than I could have ever expected.
[30:31.000 --> 30:34.000]  All of those, I wanted to get Pastor Massad on.
[30:34.000 --> 30:38.000]  I do a show with him on Monday.
[30:38.000 --> 30:50.000]  And, excuse me, he is afraid that we've lost the, take this bread, I'm having voice issues today.
[30:50.000 --> 30:56.000]  So I remember you were saying that Pastor Massad is afraid that we've lost the republic.
[30:56.000 --> 30:57.000]  Everything's black.
[30:57.000 --> 30:59.000]  There's no hope.
[30:59.000 --> 31:01.000]  We've already gone over the edge.
[31:01.000 --> 31:03.000]  Sometimes it does feel that way.
[31:03.000 --> 31:08.000]  But this is really encouraging to see the favors you guys have had.
[31:08.000 --> 31:12.000]  They have the power to do the right thing here.
[31:12.000 --> 31:22.000]  Even if they don't do the right thing, we have five additional opportunities to force them into a conference with public support, with motions for reconsideration.
[31:22.000 --> 31:27.000]  So we're prepared to fight this all the way, but we're hoping that the justices do the right thing.
[31:27.000 --> 31:28.000]  We believe they will.
[31:28.000 --> 31:39.000]  Three of the justices have already voted in favor of Trump-related cases, which is more extreme than what we're just asking for members of Congress to be removed and replaced with new members.
[31:39.000 --> 31:50.000]  So we think that we're going to get a 63 vote on it, because the three justices that voted against the Trump-related cases, I think would vote in favor of this.
[31:50.000 --> 31:56.000]  They voted in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade and other constitutional kind of issues happening with cases.
[31:56.000 --> 32:02.000]  And so we believe that there's a very good possibility, and we believe in the divine intervention.
[32:02.000 --> 32:10.000]  And we've seen so many miracles happen with my brothers, my family, and I to get us to this point. It took us over two years to get to this point.
[32:10.000 --> 32:15.000]  And look at the historical timing of this. It's just amazing.
[32:15.000 --> 32:20.000]  So we're hopeful, we're prayerful, and we appreciate everyone's prayers and support.
[32:20.000 --> 32:26.000]  You can go to 7discoveries.com. You can learn more about it. You can get copies of the petition exactly what they have.
[32:26.000 --> 32:34.000]  The justices are reviewing, and you can get pocket-sized books that contain the Constitution in it,
[32:34.000 --> 32:40.000]  plus concepts that have been overlooked for over 200 years that we've included in the petition and in the complaint.
[32:40.000 --> 32:45.000]  You can go to 7discoveries.com, and you can download for a dollar gift for the Brunson brothers.
[32:45.000 --> 32:48.000]  You can download the complete complaint with the affidavit, all the evidence.
[32:48.000 --> 32:57.000]  And it's an expose on the Constitution and the oath of office. I think people could really enjoy it if they do that.
[32:57.000 --> 33:04.000]  I can't speak highly enough of it. I'm looking at it.
[33:04.000 --> 33:13.000]  Just to repeat, that website was the number seven and the word discoveries, plural, and did you say dot com?
[33:13.000 --> 33:15.000]  Yes, dot com.
[33:15.000 --> 33:18.000]  Okay, 7discoveries.com.
[33:18.000 --> 33:21.000]  And as soon as we hear something, we'll put something.
[33:21.000 --> 33:24.000]  There's a button on the website for the history of the case and updates.
[33:24.000 --> 33:36.000]  And as soon as we hear something, we'll post it on that website so people can see what the vote is or what the decision is from the court.
[33:36.000 --> 33:39.000]  And they should post it at SupremeCourt.gov.
[33:39.000 --> 33:51.000]  We usually do that about 930 in the morning Eastern time on the Monday following the Friday conference.
[33:51.000 --> 34:01.000]  I'm reading an article here by Senator Tom Cruise, and he addresses precedent in this issue.
[34:01.000 --> 34:13.000]  The most direct precedent on this question arose in 1877 following serious allegations of fraud and illegal conduct in the Hayes-Tilden presidential race.
[34:13.000 --> 34:22.000]  Specifically, the elections in three states, Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, were alleged to have been conducted illegally.
[34:22.000 --> 34:34.000]  In 1877, Congress did not ignore these allegations, nor did the media simply dismiss those raising them as radicals trying to undermine democracy.
[34:34.000 --> 34:48.000]  Instead, Congress appointed an electoral commission consisting of five senators, five House members, and five Supreme Court justices to consider and resolve the disputed returns.
[34:48.000 --> 34:53.000]  We should follow that precedent.
[34:53.000 --> 34:56.000]  That's exactly what they should have done.
[34:56.000 --> 35:05.000]  They violated protocol, they violated laws, they violated their oath of office, and they need to be held accountable to that.
[35:05.000 --> 35:09.000]  We're hoping the justices do that with this petition.
[35:09.000 --> 35:11.000]  They swore to that oath of office.
[35:11.000 --> 35:14.000]  They entered into a contract with me.
[35:14.000 --> 35:26.000]  And based on their sworn oath, I authorized them to take remuneration from the Treasury, and they did so.
[35:26.000 --> 35:28.000]  I think I'm about to run out of time.
[35:28.000 --> 35:35.000]  A contract's not a contract until something of value has changed hands.
[35:35.000 --> 35:47.000]  When they accepted payment, they entered into a contract with me and with Lloyd and his brothers.
[35:47.000 --> 36:01.000]  When they failed to perform their duty as prescribed by law, they repudiated that contract and should be removed to court warrant.
[36:01.000 --> 36:13.000]  Whether that happens or not, I guarantee you have got their attention.
[36:13.000 --> 36:16.000]  Hang on, hang on, we're about to go to our break.
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[37:29.000 --> 37:33.000]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[37:33.000 --> 37:38.000]  They guarantee you the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect. Our liberty depends on it.
[37:38.000 --> 37:44.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[37:44.000 --> 37:50.000]  Privacy is under attack. When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
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[38:59.000 --> 39:03.000]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[39:03.000 --> 39:08.000]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect. Our liberty depends on it.
[39:08.000 --> 39:14.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[39:14.000 --> 39:20.000]  Privacy is under attack. When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
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[40:51.000 --> 40:56.000]  Hey, hey, hey.
[40:56.000 --> 40:59.000]  I won't pay for the war with my body.
[40:59.000 --> 41:03.000]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money.
[41:03.000 --> 41:06.000]  I won't pay for the fun with my body.
[41:06.000 --> 41:09.000]  The plans wicked and the logic shoddy.
[41:09.000 --> 41:13.000]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body.
[41:13.000 --> 41:16.000]  I won't pay for the boys with my money.
[41:16.000 --> 41:21.000]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body.
[41:21.000 --> 41:22.000]  The whole agenda smells funny.
[41:22.000 --> 41:27.000]  All right. We are back. This is the Rule of Law Radio, Randy Kelton. I'm Brett Fountain.
[41:27.000 --> 41:31.000]  And this is the 6th of January, 2023.
[41:31.000 --> 41:33.000]  We have a special guest this evening.
[41:33.000 --> 41:36.000]  We're so pleased to have Lloyd Brunson on with us.
[41:36.000 --> 41:39.000]  And he's just been telling us about what's going on with his case.
[41:39.000 --> 41:57.000]  So Lloyd, a question came up about what is the basis for thinking that the Supreme Court can actually just remove all these people from, all these congressmen from office?
[41:57.000 --> 41:59.000]  Well, they can't without a case, that's for sure.
[41:59.000 --> 42:02.000]  This is a civil case. There could also be criminal complaints.
[42:02.000 --> 42:10.000]  With a criminal complaint upheld by the Supreme Court, that could not only be removal of office, that could be capital punishment.
[42:10.000 --> 42:14.000]  And so the judicial branch really is the most powerful branch of government.
[42:14.000 --> 42:23.000]  And it's really the people that brings a case through the court system, you know, the lower courts up to the Supreme Court, that gives them that power.
[42:23.000 --> 42:28.000]  So this is really an exercise in judicial power, really.
[42:28.000 --> 42:36.000]  And it's like when the Supreme Court makes a decision and it's disagreed upon, who's going to disagree with their decision and what are they going to do, appeal?
[42:36.000 --> 42:39.000]  They can't appeal. This is the Supreme Court.
[42:39.000 --> 42:49.000]  So the Congress and the executive branch have been harassing and slandering and defaming and threatening the Supreme Court.
[42:49.000 --> 43:03.000]  And so now with this case, the Supreme Court has the power to push back and protect the court, protect this country, protect the Constitution, protect the binding of the Constitution by removing these people from office.
[43:03.000 --> 43:12.000]  And then they also have the power to create referrals, criminal referrals for criminal investigation.
[43:12.000 --> 43:20.000]  So the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court of the land, has an incredible amount of power, and no one can challenge that power.
[43:20.000 --> 43:27.000]  And I noticed that you also, in your case there, you mentioned treason.
[43:27.000 --> 43:29.000]  So you went there.
[43:29.000 --> 43:31.000]  Exactly. And exactly.
[43:31.000 --> 43:35.000]  Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution defines that as giving aid and comfort to enemies of the United States.
[43:35.000 --> 43:44.000]  And how better way to give aid and comfort to not investigate crimes that have possibly been committed by domestic and foreign enemies?
[43:44.000 --> 43:50.000]  I mean, so, and it only takes two witnesses in a court of law to convict a person of treason.
[43:50.000 --> 44:04.000]  Only two. And look, there were 121 witnesses demanding that there needed to be an investigation and that there was a security breach of such magnitude that it needed to happen immediately.
[44:04.000 --> 44:08.000]  And look at those who decided and voted against that.
[44:08.000 --> 44:16.000]  And so there needs to be criminal referrals and investigation to see why some of these members of Congress made the decisions that they did.
[44:16.000 --> 44:20.000]  Now, one of our causes of action is civil conspiracy.
[44:20.000 --> 44:32.000]  Now, an attorney, I'm sure you guys would agree with me on this, an attorney has got to be very careful about representing more than one defendant when they're a part of the conspiracy charge.
[44:32.000 --> 44:42.000]  And so they could be defending more than one member of the defendants that are all accused of conspiracy.
[44:42.000 --> 44:49.000]  They could be held liable because the defendants could end up being hostile co-dependents suing each other.
[44:49.000 --> 44:56.000]  And they could be liable for legal malpractice.
[44:56.000 --> 45:08.000]  So if this were just a normal case outside of them being represented by the Solicitor General, they would need probably to find 380 different law firms
[45:08.000 --> 45:22.000]  and then have clearances so that they could say that there was no contact or nothing in the way of relationships that would compromise the integrity of representing their defendant with any of the other defendants.
[45:22.000 --> 45:33.000]  So that would be a task. But look at it right now. They're represented by one attorney, Solicitor General, who's already signed a waiver leaving their right to oppose this conference.
[45:33.000 --> 45:38.000]  And the complaint is only about the oath of office, the Constitution, and investigation.
[45:38.000 --> 45:43.000]  It has nothing to do with interpretations of the Constitution or anything political or partisan.
[45:43.000 --> 45:49.000]  So I'm thinking that the Solicitor General in good faith did the right thing.
[45:49.000 --> 46:02.000]  She could see that this was only about the Constitution and upholding it, that she's sworn to do, and that the oath of office needs to be binding as we clearly state in our pleadings.
[46:02.000 --> 46:11.000]  And so I hope and I believe she's working with the justices in producing a positive constitutional outcome.
[46:11.000 --> 46:20.000]  Either that or maybe she was scared she was going to be the next defendant named on there for essentially doing the same thing, voting against, caring about the oath.
[46:20.000 --> 46:27.000]  Yeah, you make a good point because those who fight against this are really fighting against the Constitution. They're violating their oath.
[46:27.000 --> 46:40.000]  They should concede. I mean, the defendant, what should have happened if some of the defendant's respondents should have just already just resigned with an apology and a mercy letter?
[46:40.000 --> 46:48.000]  That's what should have happened by now, that the arrogance and the confidence that they have in their unconstitutional immunity is staggering.
[46:48.000 --> 47:03.000]  And so hopefully this will play out in the right way and the public will see some really basic, simple constitutional violations and help the public get excited about studying the Constitution
[47:03.000 --> 47:15.000]  and seeing some, like I said, very clear concepts happening over the oath of office and the Constitution in defending this country against foreign domestic enemies.
[47:15.000 --> 47:19.000]  Well, amen. Thanks so much for doing this.
[47:19.000 --> 47:23.000]  You're welcome.
[47:23.000 --> 47:33.000]  I'm trying to create a picture in my mind of the United States next month.
[47:33.000 --> 47:53.000]  If I'm one of these elected officials and I've listened to the popular liberal news and I listened to public radio today and not one word about this. Not a word.
[47:53.000 --> 48:06.000]  It's a profound event as far as I can tell in American history aside from the Civil War and not a peep.
[48:06.000 --> 48:16.000]  But if I'm an elected official, I'm one of those elected officials, what am I going to be thinking?
[48:16.000 --> 48:21.000]  You're going to be trying to figure out whether you have the right to vote or not and who you're going to vote for to replace yourself.
[48:21.000 --> 48:31.000]  And think of all the campaigns that would sprout up immediately and the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of campaign money that would support this position of the justices
[48:31.000 --> 48:42.000]  basically creating 380, you know, 80-some-odd vacancies that need to be filled by more honorable people.
[48:42.000 --> 48:54.000]  So it's going to have a tremendous positive outcome. And I think the campaign money supporting replacing those individuals would far outweigh the negative.
[48:54.000 --> 49:05.000]  And what would Congress look like if two-thirds of Congress gets tossed and get all new legislators?
[49:05.000 --> 49:10.000]  This will go back to what James Madison said.
[49:10.000 --> 49:15.000]  I saw this person talking about a vision she had a couple of years ago. She's on the Internet and she holds prayers.
[49:15.000 --> 49:24.000]  And it was dated like two or three years ago. And she had this vision that two-thirds of the House and the Senate were empty.
[49:24.000 --> 49:34.000]  And that people started coming and filling the vacancies. And they were farmers and nurses and firemen and just normal,
[49:34.000 --> 49:42.000]  everyday, solid, you know, patriotic Americans were filling these vacancies. And that's the way it should be.
[49:42.000 --> 49:50.000]  Right now we have a bunch of people that have been able to get away with anything they want because the oath has not been enforced.
[49:50.000 --> 49:53.000]  The Biden oath has not been enforced.
[49:53.000 --> 50:06.000]  James Madison said in his constitutional papers that a person should rise up out of the population, serve the government one year,
[50:06.000 --> 50:16.000]  then return to the populace from which he came. One year. I think he was right. You know, these politicians.
[50:16.000 --> 50:25.000]  Well, think about the First Continental Congress. They delivered the vote. A true representative government is they don't make, they can't, they shouldn't vote without permission from the states.
[50:25.000 --> 50:32.000]  New York had to, you know, withhold their vote because they didn't have permission from the states.
[50:32.000 --> 50:39.000]  They represented, got the representative from the government. But with the immunity that they've given themselves, the corruption is just unbelievable.
[50:39.000 --> 50:48.000]  It's like it's been cultivated and fertilized for the corruption to grow because the oath has not been enforced.
[50:48.000 --> 50:54.000]  And we've allowed them to give themselves immunity.
[50:54.000 --> 51:03.000]  Fortunately, someone was smart enough to look at the one place where they don't have immunity.
[51:03.000 --> 51:18.000]  You know, I'm here in Texas and I've been setting up judges by looking for things to ask them to do that they don't want to do, but that are administrative in their nature.
[51:18.000 --> 51:27.000]  I went to a judge and gave him some criminal complaints. And he asked me if I was an attorney. Oh, no, no, no. I sleep well at night and keep hands in my own pockets. Thank you very much.
[51:27.000 --> 51:37.000]  Well, did you talk to an attorney? No, I don't waste my time with those ignorant shysters. Well, if you're not an attorney, I'm not even going to read these. And he threw them down and stormed out.
[51:37.000 --> 51:40.000]  I sued him personally.
[51:40.000 --> 51:42.000]  Oh, good.
[51:42.000 --> 51:46.000]  Because the law says, well, played him like a cheap fiddle.
[51:46.000 --> 51:57.000]  The law says in Texas, unlike every other state I've looked at when a complaint is presented to a magistrate complete in accordance with 1505.
[51:57.000 --> 52:10.000]  And that's just requisites of a complaint. The magistrate shall issue a warrant forth with what part of that is hard to understand.
[52:10.000 --> 52:17.000]  That's administrative. He has no discretion in the matter.
[52:17.000 --> 52:25.000]  And when you have no discretion, you have no immunity. And that's what you've got.
[52:25.000 --> 52:42.000]  The law did not prescribe what would be the result of their investigation, but it did prescribe that they hold one for them to consider voting on whether or not to abide by law.
[52:42.000 --> 52:47.000]  That's conspiracy to commit.
[52:47.000 --> 52:57.000]  If anybody opened his mouth and said anything other than the law commands us to do this thing, he conspired to commit.
[52:57.000 --> 53:21.000]  You'll find this interesting. You'll find this interesting. U.S. attorneys presented a defense as the Forrester, this is called a Forrester case, where this judge was being sued and he claimed immunity. And the defense that the U.S. attorneys put in there, they didn't show the conclusion that the judge lost.
[53:21.000 --> 53:35.000]  So they were actually using case law where the judge lost, but they didn't show that he had lost. And the judge did not have immunity because he crossed the line of his judicial immunity into administrative.
[53:35.000 --> 53:55.000]  We've got a great case in Texas. So we have a great case in Texas out of El Paso. A jail guard picked up a 19 year old girl at the El Paso city jail and transported her to the county jail and decided to have a little recreation on the way.
[53:55.000 --> 54:09.000]  And he raped her. Well, they prosecuted him and then he was sued. And he said that he was in when he was acting as a jailer, he was acting under the immunity.
[54:09.000 --> 54:21.000]  He had qualified immunity because he was acting in his official capacity. And the court said rape is not within your official capacity.
[54:21.000 --> 54:27.000]  You step outside the lines, you step outside immunity. Hang on, we'll be right back.
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[56:58.000 --> 57:26.000]  Okay. We are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Wood of Law Radio, and Mr. Brunson had to go. I do appreciate him having us.
[57:26.000 --> 57:40.000]  I invited him back anytime he wants to. And John, oh, John, you're having a bad day today. You probably won't believe this, but we have a first-time caller.
[57:40.000 --> 57:53.000]  But because you have been so patient and because you asked questions directly on point and didn't try to go to some other direction, we'll go ahead and go to you. What do you have, John?
[57:53.000 --> 58:08.000]  Well, first of all, I'd like to congratulate the Brunson brothers and their family. I wish them all a very, very long, healthy life and their continued love of God and their wonderful continued love of their country.
[58:08.000 --> 58:18.000]  Instead of sitting around and saying, well, somebody better do something about this, they were the somebody that did something. And I thank them.
[58:18.000 --> 58:29.000]  I'm thinking this is as profound as the Civil War. It will have as profound an effect.
[58:29.000 --> 58:35.000]  Yes. And it's about time that somebody did something and they were the somebody that did something.
[58:35.000 --> 58:58.000]  So here's my question. Here's my question. I have located five or six court cases in New York that prove that the traffic tickets are not proper authorizing or not authorizing instruments. They're not proper.
[58:58.000 --> 59:01.000]  What's the word I'm looking for?
[59:01.000 --> 59:05.000]  Accusatory instrument. That's right.
[59:05.000 --> 59:13.000]  These cases have been ruled the result of the cases.
[59:13.000 --> 59:19.000]  In each case, they ruled that traffic tickets are not accusatory instruments. They're not proper.
[59:19.000 --> 59:23.000]  Okay. Now, here's how I want to get there.
[59:23.000 --> 59:29.000]  We'll get to that in a minute, but for another time.
[59:29.000 --> 59:34.000]  What? What? You got me all primed?
[59:34.000 --> 59:39.000]  Let's continue. Let's continue. Let's not get off track.
[59:39.000 --> 59:42.000]  Here we go.
[59:42.000 --> 59:47.000]  You go into court and my question was, how do you challenge the court's authority?
[59:47.000 --> 59:53.000]  So you told me then the judge is going to come back with some wishy washy excuse.
[59:53.000 --> 01:00:09.000]  And what we're looking for, what I want the judge to say is I want to hear the law that says that the traffic ticket is a proper accusatory instrument and you don't need to verify complaint.
[01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.000]  Okay. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. Correct me.
[01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:19.000]  You give the law, the judge, the law showing that it is not a proper accusatory instrument.
[01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.000]  Now you have provided a prima facie case.
[01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.000]  Okay. And you demand that the court properly apply the law to the facts.
[01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:33.000]  If he fails to do so, ask the bailiff to arrest him.
[01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:41.000]  Okay. Now, wait a minute. We skipped over something and there's something that I'm missing.
[01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:46.000]  I challenge the authority of the court in the traffic case.
[01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:53.000]  And do I say to the judge that you've got – well, here's what I say to the judge. I know what I've got to say.
[01:00:53.000 --> 01:01:01.000]  I expect you to prove that you have jurisdiction in this case, that the traffic ticket is a proper accusatory instrument.
[01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:02.000]  Do I say those last words?
[01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:11.000]  No. In court, jurisdiction is presumed until you challenge it.
[01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:22.000]  And while saying I challenge subject matter jurisdiction is technically sufficient, realistically it's not.
[01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:31.000]  You need to say to the judge, I have a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction before the court.
[01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:38.000]  And that challenge should have case law showing that the court does not have jurisdiction.
[01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:44.000]  Now, in order to establish jurisdiction, the prosecutor, not the judge, would have to –
[01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:53.000]  well, actually it's the judge that would have to overcome your case law in order to take jurisdiction.
[01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:59.000]  By putting – the judge must properly apply the law to the facts.
[01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:06.000]  Just saying he doesn't have jurisdiction doesn't give him any law to apply it to the facts.
[01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.000]  So you don't give him anything to work with.
[01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.000]  Okay, so what do I do?
[01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:14.000]  File a motion – or file a petition.
[01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:19.000]  A subject matter jurisdiction challenge is not a motion, it's a petition.
[01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:23.000]  It's one of, what, four – Brett?
[01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.000]  There are four petitions.
[01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:35.000]  Petition, Virida Mandamus, habeas corpus, an original petition, the original filing is a petition, and subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:38.000]  I think there's actually one more, some odd calls.
[01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:42.000]  Oh, oh, oh, double jeopardy.
[01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.000]  Those are not motions, those are petitions.
[01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.000]  Everything else is a motion.
[01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:50.000]  So you have a petition for a challenging subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:58.000]  and you need to give the judge some law to hang his decision on.
[01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:09.000]  You have the cases. Would those cases that I mentioned that prove that the courts ruled that traffic tickets are not proper –
[01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:15.000]  are not proper accusatory instruments, would that be the case law that you present?
[01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.000]  That would be it, that would be it.
[01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:23.000]  Okay, and I claim they exist, I read them, they make sense.
[01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:27.000]  I will send them to you just as soon as I can pull them out of my file.
[01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.000]  Okay, write a brief.
[01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.000]  Write a brief?
[01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.000]  Yeah, it's not very long, it's brief.
[01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.000]  And just say, here's the case law, in this case, here's what the judge has said.
[01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:47.000]  I've got it all on one sheet of paper, basically one electronic sheet of paper on the computer.
[01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:50.000]  Yeah, that would send it to me, let me look at it.
[01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.000]  Yeah, and then tell me what you think.
[01:03:53.000 --> 01:04:00.000]  Now, what I want to do is obviously put the judge in a position where he can't quote any law.
[01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.000]  Now, according to what I understand, you correct me if I'm wrong,
[01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:09.000]  there is no law that says that traffic tickets are proper accusatory instruments.
[01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:15.000]  Well, that's not the kind of thing there would be a law for.
[01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:26.000]  Laws create tickets, create charging instruments, if a document doesn't meet a charging instrument,
[01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.000]  you don't have to have a law to say it doesn't meet a charging instrument.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:37.000]  You need to have facts that support the accusation that doesn't meet the requirements.
[01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:39.000]  In other words, that would be the case law?
[01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:45.000]  Yeah, well, no, and primarily the facts, the facts.
[01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:50.000]  I have a supposed charging instrument here,
[01:04:50.000 --> 01:05:05.000]  but it fails to allege that a specific person violated a particular law to which the person was bound in traffic.
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.000]  That's the big deal.
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:22.000]  In other words, it's insufficient if it fails to establish that the defendant is subject to the statutory scheme.
[01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.000]  If I'm driving down the street and you pull me over,
[01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:34.000]  you can't give me a citation for flying an airplane without a license.
[01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.000]  Right.
[01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:40.000]  That statutory scheme doesn't apply to me.
[01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:48.000]  If I'm driving down the street minding my own business for pleasure or for personal reasons,
[01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:53.000]  I don't fall within the statutory scheme and you have to plead that first.
[01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:58.000]  So that's got to go first, okay.
[01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  Yeah, so that applies to me.
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:11.000]  Now, if I do that, if I say to the judge, show how this...
[01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:12.000]  Oh, wait, wait.
[01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.000]  You're kind of starting in the wrong place.
[01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  You're wanting to say to the judge.
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:23.000]  The only thing I ever want to say in court is I want to ask the bailiff to arrest the judge.
[01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:24.000]  I don't want to talk to him.
[01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.000]  I want him to read my pleadings.
[01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.000]  Right.
[01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:36.000]  I don't want to bandy words with that prosecutor over there.
[01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.000]  The law and the facts is before the court.
[01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:48.000]  Properly apply the law to the facts and let's all go home.
[01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  Don't think in terms of going in there arguing your way out of a ticket.
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.000]  Forget that noise.
[01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  Well, I know they'll always find you guilty for the most part.
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.000]  They usually or always find you guilty.
[01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.000]  I don't.
[01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.000]  Okay, time's up.
[01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:08.000]  Do you have anything else for the other side?
[01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:10.000]  Well, that's about it.
[01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:14.000]  In other words, you answered my questions and I've got all the information I need.
[01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:15.000]  Am I correct?
[01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.000]  Okay.
[01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:17.000]  Thank you, John.
[01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  When we come back, we're going to go to our first-time caller, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain.
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:29.000]  We'll be right back.
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[01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:05.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio,
[01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.000]  and we're going to a first-time caller.
[01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:15.000]  If you are in the 240 area code in California, talk to us.
[01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.000]  Give us a first name.
[01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.000]  Oh, wait, I said California.
[01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:22.000]  This says wireless CA.
[01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:25.000]  I always think CA means California, it means caller.
[01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:37.000]  Give us a first name and a state.
[01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:41.000]  I think we put this person to sleep.
[01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:47.000]  Yeah, that's why Dulcy Tones does that.
[01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:53.000]  Hello, are you there? Wake up!
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:56.000]  Oh, well.
[01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:57.000]  Okay.
[01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:02.000]  All right, let's put your Dulcy Tones to some other caller here.
[01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:06.000]  Yeah, let's go to Jane in Texas. Hello, Jane.
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.000]  Hi, how are you all doing?
[01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.000]  We are good. We are in a very good mood.
[01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:15.000]  Good.
[01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.000]  Getting to watch history in the making.
[01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:28.000]  I know, I know, I know. I can't wait to hear what happens with that case.
[01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:34.000]  I have some issues with some clerks.
[01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:42.000]  And, you know, the most private information that I could have associated with my name,
[01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.000]  like my social security, my birth date, my driver's license,
[01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  and my fidelity account number is on public record for everybody to see right now.
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.000]  Okay, that is a big deal.
[01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  And they won't redact it? Isn't that right?
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.000]  You tried to get them to redact it and they're not doing it?
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.000]  No, I haven't tried to get them to redact it because it says on the information,
[01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:09.000]  like on the inability to pay statement, that says on top of it sensitive information,
[01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:14.000]  in their accounting training rules or manual, whatever it says,
[01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.000]  that they have to redact it.
[01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.000]  It's not something that they can even publish on the Internet unless they do redact it.
[01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:32.000]  In 2008, the feds come down and forced every state to go through all of their records
[01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:34.000]  and redact certain information.
[01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:42.000]  I took some complaints down to Conroe, Texas.
[01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:48.000]  I just mentioned those, getting the justices put in front of a grand jury.
[01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.000]  Well, this was the case.
[01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:58.000]  I went down to file this complaint, this habeas corpus with the district court,
[01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.000]  and everybody's running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  I said, what the heck is going on?
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  I went to one of the clerks, oh, man, we've got to go through all of these records
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:18.000]  for 20 years and redact all of the addresses and driver's license
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.000]  and Social Security numbers.
[01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:22.000]  Well, they were having a problem.
[01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.000]  So this has been in the law since 2008.
[01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.000]  Right.
[01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:33.000]  I do know that if someone asks you for your Social Security number
[01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:39.000]  and demands that you give it, they can ask and you say no.
[01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:43.000]  If they don't say okay, they say you have to give it, that is a felony.
[01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:47.000]  That's a federal felony.
[01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:52.000]  The Social Security number is not intended for identification.
[01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:56.000]  It's intended for the federal Social Security system.
[01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.000]  Right.
[01:14:58.000 --> 01:14:59.000]  That was what it was on.
[01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.000]  It was on my tax return.
[01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  That's what my Social Security number was.
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:13.000]  Well, they can disclose it to you, but just not to the public, not to everybody else.
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.000]  Right.
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:20.000]  So file criminal charges against the agent.
[01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.000]  It's three of them.
[01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:27.000]  Yeah, file against all three of them for revealing your Social Security.
[01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  Errors of emissions insurance.
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.000]  They're bonded and insured.
[01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.000]  I need to sue them.
[01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.000]  Oh, that is a big debt.
[01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.000]  That's a problem for them.
[01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.000]  They really do need to fix that.
[01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.000]  That can get them in big trouble.
[01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.000]  You were wealthy and then someone got your Social Security number
[01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.000]  and absconded with all your funds.
[01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:54.000]  Now you're living in destitution.
[01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:59.000]  Not only that, but it has my Social Security and my birthdate and my driver's license
[01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:04.000]  and my fidelity account number, all that stuff that's not effective right now.
[01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:11.000]  Well, if they just gave the document to you, they can do that because you already know it,
[01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:14.000]  but they just can't let anybody else see it.
[01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:17.000]  So do you have knowledge that it was published?
[01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:19.000]  It's still on there.
[01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:23.000]  As a matter of fact, it's still there, bigger for all fees and everybody can see.
[01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:32.000]  Call the feds, call the FBI, and ask them about remedy for that before you go after them.
[01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:33.000]  Okay.
[01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  Yeah, because I want to go after them big time, financially and criminally,
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.000]  but I just didn't know which direction to go.
[01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:43.000]  What court would I need to start in?
[01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:49.000]  If you go after an FBI agent or a public official, the FBI is not very helpful.
[01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:56.000]  But if you're going out after a non-official entity, then you can go to them.
[01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.000]  They won't have a problem with that.
[01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.000]  They'll help you out.
[01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:00.000]  They will.
[01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.000]  Okay.
[01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:05.000]  Well, I think there's an FBI office or agent place over there kind of close to where I live,
[01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:08.000]  as a matter of fact.
[01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:15.000]  Well, if you ask him to do something that's not obnoxious and won't get him in trouble with his boss,
[01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.000]  then he won't have a problem doing it.
[01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:21.000]  And going after insurance companies for them is not a problem.
[01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:25.000]  What about going after government county officials or whatever,
[01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:30.000]  which is what these people would be considered to be?
[01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:36.000]  How is government officials giving you insurance?
[01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:50.000]  No, I'm saying that they're bonded and insured, the deputy clerks and the county clerks, the appeals clerks, all three of those.
[01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:54.000]  Whose Social Security numbers are online?
[01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.000]  Mine.
[01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:59.000]  You're not making sense, Jay.
[01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:00.000]  No, I think I got it.
[01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:04.000]  I think she's saying that this is not about insurance, nothing about insurance.
[01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:06.000]  That was a little red herring.
[01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:11.000]  She started talking about bonds in terms of indemnification for their wrongdoing,
[01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:17.000]  but the wrongdoing that she's specifically talking about is from the court clerks.
[01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:29.000]  The court clerks are the ones who are publishing without redacting sensitive private personal identifying information, BII.
[01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:35.000]  Contact the feds and tell them what's happening and ask them, you know, this happened in 2008.
[01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:39.000]  What law is it that required them to redact this?
[01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.000]  They need to know what the law is.
[01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:42.000]  That's all you want from the feds.
[01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:44.000]  You don't want them to do anything.
[01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.000]  If you don't want them to do anything, they'll help you out.
[01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:50.000]  And then file against these guys.
[01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:56.000]  If you file against the state and the fed, who gets their attention?
[01:18:56.000 --> 01:19:02.000]  Okay, so, you know, start out in the state, go to the fed, file both.
[01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.000]  Is it criminal? Is it civil?
[01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:09.000]  Oh, man, you are making this complicated.
[01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:10.000]  Yeah, no, I don't know where to start.
[01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.000]  This is a federal crime.
[01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:16.000]  You do not file the federal crime in the state.
[01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:17.000]  Okay.
[01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:18.000]  It's federal.
[01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:21.000]  Just make up a complaint and file against them.
[01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:26.000]  Then what will happen is there's a couple of guys in jeep suits who go out there and talk to them.
[01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:27.000]  Okay.
[01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.000]  And they'll get that fixed.
[01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:46.000]  If you want to go after them criminally, I mean, or civilly, I'm thinking since they are commanded to redact this and they don't redact it, that would go to due process.
[01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:47.000]  Okay.
[01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:56.000]  The reason I'm saying that is you're talking about, oh, they did this thing to me and I'm thinking, okay, how are you harmed by it?
[01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:00.000]  Now you're saying, oh, people could take this and they could steal my identity.
[01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:04.000]  Then the judge would say, did they steal your identity?
[01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:07.000]  Were you actually harmed?
[01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:13.000]  Because he'll tend to say, even though you could have been harmed, if you weren't harmed, no harm, no foul.
[01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:28.000]  However, if this is a statutory prescription, then you're harmed by a denial of due process and due process is, violation is harm on its face, harm per se.
[01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:29.000]  Okay.
[01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:44.000]  So try to make your claim in that they failed a form due to the required form and in the process subjected you to potential harm and by so doing denied due process.
[01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:52.000]  What keeps you in court is not what you can prove, but the claim that you make.
[01:20:52.000 --> 01:21:02.000]  If you make a claim that they publicized your private information, then their question is going to be, well, how were you harmed?
[01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:03.000]  Okay.
[01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:05.000]  Well, that's not the only thing they did.
[01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:10.000]  They had ex parte communications about me also.
[01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.000]  Ex parte.
[01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:14.000]  Let's talk about that on the other side.
[01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:23.000]  The ex parte communications only matter if it was with the judge about the case with the opposing side.
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[01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:54.000]  Well, you know karma is lurking around the corner. You better watch your step-by-step, and do it in front of all of you. Yeah, baby Jerry, sing reality.
[01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:59.000]  Karma is lurking around the corner. Sing, Jerry, come on.
[01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:14.000]  As we sow, so shall we reap. So many fruits, so many worms get put on all of the seeds.
[01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:24.000]  What you're trying to do is turn small steps into giant needs.
[01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:36.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelvin, out with our radio. And we're talking to Jane in Texas. And Jane, what else did they use or do that?
[01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:44.000]  You mentioned ex parte communication. What was the nature of the ex parte communication?
[01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:51.000]  Oh, let's see. No, I interviewed Dr. Joe. You sound better if we unmute you.
[01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:52.000]  Yeah.
[01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:53.000]  Okay.
[01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:54.000]  There you are.
[01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:03.000]  It's not, it wasn't ex parte since it wasn't with the judge, but it was between the appeals clerk and the county clerk, John Warren's.
[01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:12.000]  Okay, that's not ex parte. The only thing that's an ex parte communication would be between the judge and an opposing party.
[01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:21.000]  Okay. Well, it wasn't like that. It was a clerk to another clerk talking about me, talking smack about me online. It's on a public record also.
[01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:27.000]  Well, they can talk. I don't know that there's any prohibition about them talking smack about you.
[01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:31.000]  Okay. Well, it's definitely unprofessional.
[01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:46.000]  Well, if it's a private conversation, that's not intended for public consumption. And, you know, as they said, you're a pain in the rear. Okay. So what?
[01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:53.000]  No, they didn't say that. They said that hopefully she won't bother you anymore, you all anymore. The appeals clerk was telling them.
[01:25:53.000 --> 01:26:00.000]  Okay. Jane, I go out of my way to get them to do that.
[01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.000]  I know. I know.
[01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:16.000]  I had a bailiff tell me, Mr. Kelton, you are known all over the county and everybody knows if you come to their office, you're just looking for them to do something so you can try to get them arrested.
[01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:23.000]  This was the bailiff at the JP in Lake Worth, Judge Wright's bailiff.
[01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:33.000]  And I said, well, yeah, that's true. I have. Don't screw with me. He said, yeah, I got that.
[01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:36.000]  But yeah, I want them to talk about me.
[01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:42.000]  But I'm careful about what I want to get them to say about me.
[01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:46.000]  Now they can say I'm a no good SOB. I don't care about that.
[01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:55.000]  But I had the chief of police, Tater Texas, I went to see him one day. Mr. Kelton, what were you doing in Wichita Falls?
[01:26:55.000 --> 01:27:01.000]  Oh, you know about that. Oh, yeah. I got a call from the chief of police.
[01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:06.000]  Well, what do you want? He wanted to know if you were crazy.
[01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:09.000]  What did you tell him? Yeah, he's crazy.
[01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:16.000]  But if he quotes some law to you, pay attention. He does his homework.
[01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:20.000]  Okay, I'll take that.
[01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:24.000]  All right. Well, all right. Well, I'm not too worried about that, I guess.
[01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:32.000]  But I am really worried about this other because I don't need to have them redacted before I get something done about it, right?
[01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:41.000]  Right. Well, this goes to pick fights carefully. Is this a fight you want to have?
[01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:51.000]  Or do you just want it fixed? With the clerk? Yeah. I kind of want to go after their insurance.
[01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:59.000]  Okay, then you need to do a little research. Make sure I'm not sure if there actually is a claim here because I haven't read that statute.
[01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:06.000]  Brett and I were talking about that on the break, and he was saying, you know, how can they complain about this?
[01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:16.000]  Well, that Social Security number is a federal number. It belongs to the Social Security Administration, and they're federal.
[01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:23.000]  And if they don't want it revealed, they can order you not to reveal it. If not your number, it's their number.
[01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:33.000]  But your name and address? I don't know that that is specifically forbidden to be revealed.
[01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:41.000]  I know it is if you're a policeman or a first responder. In certain circumstances, it is.
[01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:52.000]  Also, in the state, you have a misuse of personal identifying information. So you could go after that at the state level.
[01:28:52.000 --> 01:29:04.000]  Is your address personal identifying information? It is my understanding that the address is intended to be public.
[01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:11.000]  I don't have no problem with that, but they put my address, they put my birth date, my Social Security number, and driver's license.
[01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:17.000]  Birth date's a different deal. Oh, actually, address is on there too.
[01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:23.000]  Address is one of the items that is considered sensitive personal information.
[01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:30.000]  Obviously, it's not all by itself. It's not enough, but altogether, yeah.
[01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:36.000]  All my stuff's on there, phone number, birth date, address, bank account numbers, I mean, fidelity.
[01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:45.000]  You need the code that tells, if the code says that it's sensitive information, they can't put it on, then they can't put it on.
[01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:54.000]  Okay. If you're going to make the claim, you make the claim under denial of due process.
[01:29:54.000 --> 01:30:00.000]  Okay. I wonder how long I had to do that one since I got all these other ones going.
[01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:07.000]  It's generally, it's two years. Okay. But I don't want my information being out there that long.
[01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:19.000]  If you're suing the clerks in their official capacity, then you have to give them a 60-day notice and opportunity to appear before you can sue them.
[01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:23.000]  So you need to put that into your calculation. Okay.
[01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:33.000]  I just had someone last night that had until, Brett, did he say the 8th?
[01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:42.000]  I don't know. But if you're going to do a crime, go ahead and do that and give them the tort letter that's saying you're about to sue them in 60 days.
[01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:47.000]  Yeah. This guy had just a couple of days for his statute of limitations.
[01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:54.000]  And I said, Bubba, you're screwed. You had to give them notice 60 days prior to inform the tort letter.
[01:30:54.000 --> 01:31:01.000]  Now, a private citizen, they want you to give notice and opportunity, but you're not required to.
[01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:08.000]  Okay. A public official, every state I've looked at has it in statute, and it is 60 days.
[01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:16.000]  Okay. Darn it. Okay. Well, I'm sure they'll cure it before then, but I can go after them criminally anyway.
[01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:21.000]  Yeah. So, and I get ahold of the feds for that, right?
[01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:32.000]  So then they won't be putting that in their emails. They'll just be scratching it on the toilet walls.
[01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:42.000]  Right. I don't care what they say about me. I didn't want to say, I want to call down there and raise hell with her and say, you know, you don't even have a clue as to what's going on.
[01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:51.000]  You think about these in a trespasser when you don't even know anything about this case at all, you know, how I got unlawfully convicted, you know?
[01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:53.000]  But I don't need to be arming on her, right?
[01:31:53.000 --> 01:32:01.000]  Yeah. In doing this for a long time, it finally became clear to me they could care less.
[01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:03.000]  Yeah, I know.
[01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:08.000]  Yeah. All I do is waste my voice when I try to reason with these people.
[01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:09.000]  Right.
[01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:15.000]  So I don't try to reason with them anymore. I do not try to give them legal advice.
[01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:21.000]  I try to get them to do something that I can file a complaint against them. I was talking to my county sheriff this morning.
[01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:27.000]  I want to see your morning hearings because a friend of mine was in jail there.
[01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:31.000]  And the high sheriff himself come out.
[01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:37.000]  He said, no, Mr. Kelton, you're not going to see this hearing. They're in a secure location. Well, hold them somewhere else.
[01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:43.000]  You got a courtroom right over here in the same building behind the JP's office.
[01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:46.000]  Go hold them in there. No, we're not going to do that.
[01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:50.000]  Okay. Well, that's good. I had to ask. You had to refuse.
[01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:58.000]  And I'm glad you did it instead of sending one of your lackeys out here to do it for you.
[01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:03.000]  He was trying to let me know that he was not happy with me.
[01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.000]  I bet.
[01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:11.000]  When he was a Texas Ranger, I kicked his behind.
[01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:17.000]  And he never forgot. He's got no sense of humor.
[01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:22.000]  He helped. He tried to get him to fire an officer because he was one of us.
[01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:25.000]  And they fired him. And the officer challenged him. He came to me.
[01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:30.000]  He found me in a hardware store and asked me to help him. And we fought him for over a year.
[01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:38.000]  They had to reinstate him, full back pay, full seniority, one whole thing.
[01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:44.000]  So we kind of blacked the Texas Ranger's eye. And now he's my county sheriff.
[01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:48.000]  And I'm fixing to black his eye, legal eye, again.
[01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:50.000]  Right.
[01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:57.000]  Won't let me see a public hearing. And then in that hearing, there are documents that are
[01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:02.000]  commanded to be sealed in an envelope with the name of the magistrate written across the
[01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:05.000]  seal of the envelope forwarded to the clerks of court jurisdiction.
[01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:07.000]  But they didn't do that.
[01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:13.000]  She gave the documents back to the sheriff.
[01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:18.000]  Well, Brett, what crime is that?
[01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.000]  That's all kinds of tampering.
[01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:32.000]  Yeah. If you seek with a government document from the person or office it is directed to,
[01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:39.000]  is it a classified misdemeanor or felony? I think it's a classified misdemeanor.
[01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:48.000]  But if you do it three times, it bumps up to a felony. And he's probably done it 10,000 times.
[01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:55.000]  I just went to a JP in Hillsboro and Hill County and filed a criminal complaint against the
[01:34:55.000 --> 01:35:02.000]  sheriff for tampering the government document, filed it under 552 government code for claiming
[01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:06.000]  he had no records responsive to my request.
[01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:11.000]  And I know he has them because you gave them to him.
[01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:17.000]  He said, me? Yeah, you. He did all of the hearings at the jail.
[01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:23.000]  Having too much fun. OK.
[01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:26.000]  Well, one more little thing.
[01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:32.000]  I almost had it. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm out of office.
[01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:36.000]  Oh, I forgot. Oh, I forgot.
[01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:43.000]  OK. Well, I can tell you from experience, that forgetting thing is not going to get better.
[01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:48.000]  But we are about to go to our sponsors. We've got about 30 seconds.
[01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:54.000]  This 3710, this tampering with a governmental record, you're asking is it a felony or is it a misdemeanor?
[01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:59.000]  And I'm looking at it right now and it's all kinds of things depending on what the record is.
[01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:04.000]  Could be felony of the third degree class A misdemeanor. It's kind of all over the map.
[01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:10.000]  Yeah, that's what I remember. That part of it was really long. So I never get that down.
[01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:15.000]  Come on, Jane, we'll be right back. OK.
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