[00:00.000 --> 00:05.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[00:05.500 --> 00:09.500]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[00:09.500 --> 00:11.000]  Our liberty depends on it.
[00:11.000 --> 00:16.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember your First Amendment rights.
[00:16.500 --> 00:18.500]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.500 --> 00:22.000]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.000 --> 00:26.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:26.500 --> 00:32.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.000 --> 00:34.500]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[00:45.500 --> 00:47.500]  Spar, it's what fighters do.
[00:47.500 --> 00:51.000]  It's also how I remember the five guarantees of the First Amendment.
[00:51.000 --> 00:54.000]  If you plan to take away my rights, I'm going to spar with you.
[00:54.000 --> 00:56.500]  Spar with an extra P.
[00:56.500 --> 01:03.000]  S for speech, P for press, another P for petition, A for assembly, and R for religion.
[01:03.000 --> 01:08.500]  Most Americans are familiar with the First Amendment guarantees of free speech, press, assembly, and religion.
[01:08.500 --> 01:10.500]  But petition for redress is another matter.
[01:10.500 --> 01:14.500]  We have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[01:14.500 --> 01:17.500]  It means that if we're unhappy with what's going on in our government,
[01:17.500 --> 01:21.000]  we can spell out the reasons without fear of being thrown into jail.
[01:21.000 --> 01:22.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[01:22.500 --> 01:30.500]  More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:30.500 --> 01:34.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:34.500 --> 01:38.000]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:38.000 --> 01:39.500]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:39.500 --> 01:43.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way
[01:43.000 --> 01:46.000]  to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:46.000 --> 01:48.000]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:48.000 --> 01:51.500]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:51.500 --> 01:56.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[01:56.500 --> 02:01.500]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[02:01.500 --> 02:04.000]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[02:15.500 --> 02:19.500]  When I think of the Second Amendment, I visualize myself wrapping my two arms
[02:19.500 --> 02:22.000]  around the Bill of Rights in a big old bear hug.
[02:22.000 --> 02:26.500]  It's how I remember that the Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms,
[02:26.500 --> 02:30.500]  arms that embrace our freedoms and won't let anyone take them away without a fight.
[02:30.500 --> 02:33.500]  Get it? Two arms, bear hug, bear arms?
[02:33.500 --> 02:37.500]  The late Senator Hubert Humphrey captured the spirit of the Second Amendment so well
[02:37.500 --> 02:38.500]  when he said,
[02:38.500 --> 02:43.500]  The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government,
[02:43.500 --> 02:47.500]  one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America,
[02:47.500 --> 02:50.500]  but which historically has proved to always be possible.
[02:50.500 --> 03:18.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[03:20.500 --> 03:27.500]  Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do?
[03:27.500 --> 03:30.500]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:30.500 --> 03:32.500]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:32.500 --> 03:35.500]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:35.500 --> 03:38.500]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.500 --> 03:41.500]  When you were eight and you had bad traits,
[03:41.500 --> 03:43.500]  you'd go to school and learn the golden rule.
[03:43.500 --> 03:46.500]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[03:46.500 --> 03:50.500]  If you get hot then you must get cool.
[03:50.500 --> 03:52.500]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:52.500 --> 03:54.500]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:54.500 --> 03:57.500]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:57.500 --> 04:00.500]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:00.500 --> 04:03.500]  You took it on that one, you took it on this one,
[04:03.500 --> 04:06.500]  you took it on your mother and you took it on your father.
[04:06.500 --> 04:07.500]  Are we in?
[04:07.500 --> 04:08.500]  Yes.
[04:08.500 --> 04:10.500]  Oh, I was talking over the beat.
[04:10.500 --> 04:14.500]  Okay, you guys are not, nobody's supposed to hear this part.
[04:14.500 --> 04:18.500]  Pretend like you didn't hear it or I'll be in trouble with Debra.
[04:18.500 --> 04:19.500]  Let's start over again.
[04:19.500 --> 04:20.500]  Beep.
[04:20.500 --> 04:21.500]  Let's start over.
[04:21.500 --> 04:22.500]  Okay, go.
[04:22.500 --> 04:25.500]  Howdy, howdy, Randy Cowden, Brett Fountain,
[04:25.500 --> 04:33.500]  Little Raw Radio on this, the 29th day of April, 2022.
[04:33.500 --> 04:36.500]  This is our four hour info marathon
[04:36.500 --> 04:40.500]  and I'm gonna turn the phones on right away
[04:40.500 --> 04:44.500]  so that by the time I get through blabbing,
[04:44.500 --> 04:46.500]  maybe we'll have some calls on the board,
[04:46.500 --> 04:48.500]  if anybody's listening today.
[04:48.500 --> 04:55.500]  After yesterday when I was operating under a dark cloud,
[04:55.500 --> 04:58.500]  I was unusually dark yesterday.
[04:58.500 --> 05:00.500]  I'm better today.
[05:00.500 --> 05:03.500]  I won't be quite so groggy.
[05:03.500 --> 05:11.500]  And I just got a green card back from Judge Jack Maher.
[05:11.500 --> 05:14.500]  He's a district judge in Victoria County.
[05:14.500 --> 05:18.500]  What was this guy so fortunate to receive from you?
[05:18.500 --> 05:21.500]  Oh, he received a minor little criminal complaint
[05:21.500 --> 05:27.500]  against a justice of the peace, Bob Whitaker.
[05:27.500 --> 05:30.500]  Bob Whitaker, if you listen to the show a lot,
[05:30.500 --> 05:33.500]  you've probably heard me talk about Bob Whitaker.
[05:33.500 --> 05:36.500]  He had himself an attitude,
[05:36.500 --> 05:43.500]  and I'm in the process of trying to tear that attitude off.
[05:43.500 --> 05:45.500]  To quote Jerry Reed,
[05:45.500 --> 05:51.500]  I took him some criminal complaints against some guys who stole an airplane.
[05:51.500 --> 05:54.500]  At least we thought they stole the airplane.
[05:54.500 --> 05:58.500]  And he decided he didn't want to mess with them,
[05:58.500 --> 06:01.500]  and he just threw them down, stormed down the room,
[06:01.500 --> 06:04.500]  that he wasn't going to take them because I wasn't a lawyer
[06:04.500 --> 06:08.500]  and had not talked to a lawyer.
[06:08.500 --> 06:14.500]  And I said to the clerks, they're all looking at me after he stormed out,
[06:14.500 --> 06:16.500]  like I guess he told you.
[06:16.500 --> 06:24.500]  And I said, well, I guess we'll see how that works out for you.
[06:24.500 --> 06:28.500]  And Bob Whitaker, I'm going to call 9-1-1.
[06:28.500 --> 06:32.500]  And those no-good rotten clerks tattled on me.
[06:32.500 --> 06:35.500]  They heard me arguing with the dispatcher,
[06:35.500 --> 06:39.500]  who didn't want to dispatch an officer out to arrest the judge.
[06:39.500 --> 06:44.500]  And the judge came back out, and his attitude had adjusted somewhat,
[06:44.500 --> 06:47.500]  and he was trying to engage me in conversation,
[06:47.500 --> 06:50.500]  and I refused to talk to him because I had a policeman coming,
[06:50.500 --> 06:53.500]  and I was going to file criminal charges against him.
[06:53.500 --> 06:59.500]  I knew that it would be inappropriate for us to have any further conversation.
[06:59.500 --> 07:05.500]  Well, this time he left the room, but he was not quite so arrogant.
[07:05.500 --> 07:07.500]  While I filed criminal charges against him with the police,
[07:07.500 --> 07:12.500]  the police failed to give notice to some magistrate.
[07:12.500 --> 07:18.500]  So to get this young, he was a very young officer, probably early 20s,
[07:18.500 --> 07:22.500]  early to mid-20s, to get him off the hook
[07:22.500 --> 07:25.500]  and he did handle himself pretty well,
[07:25.500 --> 07:30.500]  considering how hard I stepped right in the middle of him.
[07:30.500 --> 07:32.500]  He said he had to talk to the judge.
[07:32.500 --> 07:34.500]  I said, no, you don't.
[07:34.500 --> 07:36.500]  I have to make sure a crime has been committed.
[07:36.500 --> 07:38.500]  No, you don't.
[07:38.500 --> 07:41.500]  I told you a crime has been committed,
[07:41.500 --> 07:48.500]  and you have no power to usurp or circumvent my determination.
[07:48.500 --> 07:52.500]  I don't think he had heard that before,
[07:52.500 --> 08:00.500]  and apparently he wasn't totally ignorant or totally stupid
[08:00.500 --> 08:04.500]  because it appeared as though some red warning flags
[08:04.500 --> 08:09.500]  went off somewhere deep in his brain.
[08:09.500 --> 08:14.500]  He took a middle step backwards and got himself together
[08:14.500 --> 08:19.500]  and handled me very well, and I filed a complaint with him,
[08:19.500 --> 08:24.500]  and I never heard that a warrant was issued,
[08:24.500 --> 08:26.500]  that he gave notice to some magistrate.
[08:26.500 --> 08:28.500]  So to keep him off the hook,
[08:28.500 --> 08:35.500]  I filed criminal complaints against the JP with the chief of police,
[08:35.500 --> 08:41.500]  and I never got any indication that the chief of police
[08:41.500 --> 08:45.500]  gave notice to some magistrate because no warrant was issued.
[08:45.500 --> 08:47.500]  But of course he did, right?
[08:47.500 --> 08:52.500]  He knows his job, and he wouldn't fail or refuse to perform his sworn duties.
[08:52.500 --> 08:54.500]  Oh, absolutely not.
[08:54.500 --> 09:02.500]  But I already charged him with sending him from prosecution anyway,
[09:02.500 --> 09:09.500]  and I filed complaints with the district judge, Judge Maher.
[09:09.500 --> 09:12.500]  And Judge Maher is a good target.
[09:12.500 --> 09:19.500]  His name is Jack Maher, and the sheriff's name is Maher.
[09:19.500 --> 09:24.500]  It seems that the sheriff is the judge's son.
[09:24.500 --> 09:26.500]  Ha ha ha ha.
[09:26.500 --> 09:30.500]  Something is setting him up.
[09:30.500 --> 09:32.500]  I filed criminal charges with the judge,
[09:32.500 --> 09:37.500]  and I just got the green card back, so he got it 10 days ago.
[09:37.500 --> 09:41.500]  11 days ago.
[09:41.500 --> 09:46.500]  So I haven't received notice that a warrant has been issued.
[09:46.500 --> 09:52.500]  I asked him to give me notice when he issued a warrant, and he didn't do it.
[09:52.500 --> 10:00.500]  So I have reason to believe and do believe that he didn't issue a warrant.
[10:00.500 --> 10:10.500]  So I will file criminal charges against him with the sheriff, who happens to be his son.
[10:10.500 --> 10:14.500]  Ha ha ha.
[10:14.500 --> 10:16.500]  This should get interesting.
[10:16.500 --> 10:21.500]  And then I'm hoping I have it ready for Monday.
[10:21.500 --> 10:27.500]  I'm going to go to the local JP and file some criminal charges against the local officials.
[10:27.500 --> 10:30.500]  And then I'm going to go down to the county court
[10:30.500 --> 10:37.500]  and file a lawsuit against the justice of the peace and the chief of police
[10:37.500 --> 10:41.500]  for not performing a duty they are commanded to perform.
[10:41.500 --> 10:47.500]  And since it is a duty they are commanded to perform, it's administrative,
[10:47.500 --> 10:53.500]  and they have low immunity if they fail to perform that duty.
[10:53.500 --> 11:03.500]  I'm going to sue them both, and then Judge Maher, he gets a complaint against him to his son.
[11:03.500 --> 11:06.500]  And what's the son going to do?
[11:06.500 --> 11:10.500]  She is his dad from prosecution.
[11:10.500 --> 11:14.500]  Oh, this is going to look really good.
[11:14.500 --> 11:21.500]  And Judge Maher, after the criminal complaint, then he gets a lawsuit.
[11:21.500 --> 11:23.500]  And let's take Maher actually issue a warrant.
[11:23.500 --> 11:27.500]  And if he did, when I file criminal charges against him,
[11:27.500 --> 11:32.500]  he can counter by saying, oh, yeah, I issue a warrant.
[11:32.500 --> 11:35.500]  And he'll be off the hook.
[11:35.500 --> 11:39.500]  And he'll be throwing JP under the bus.
[11:39.500 --> 11:43.500]  How's that for local politics?
[11:43.500 --> 11:49.500]  So guess where I'm at with Victoria County?
[11:49.500 --> 11:53.500]  I'm doing my best to play them like a cheap fiddle.
[11:53.500 --> 11:57.500]  We know what they're going to do.
[11:57.500 --> 11:59.500]  Every time I've dealt with public officials,
[11:59.500 --> 12:06.500]  they always think that they've got some kind of special knowledge,
[12:06.500 --> 12:11.500]  and the ordinary individual doesn't have a clue as to what's going on.
[12:11.500 --> 12:18.500]  And I hope to use that to my advantage to give them as much grief as possible.
[12:18.500 --> 12:21.500]  I was trying to recover this airplane,
[12:21.500 --> 12:25.500]  and we thought these guys had stolen the airplane.
[12:25.500 --> 12:28.500]  It turns out they didn't.
[12:28.500 --> 12:34.500]  They may or may not have, but they could have acted in good faith
[12:34.500 --> 12:41.500]  because there was a transfer of ownership from the person who had the airplane
[12:41.500 --> 12:45.500]  to someone else, and then there was a transfer back, but that was never filed.
[12:45.500 --> 12:48.500]  So if these people looked in the FAA records,
[12:48.500 --> 12:53.500]  they would see this person who sold it to them as the registered owner.
[12:53.500 --> 13:01.500]  So they really didn't steal the airplane, and that makes this even better.
[13:01.500 --> 13:04.500]  We filed criminal charges against them.
[13:04.500 --> 13:10.500]  Had the magistrate issued warrants the way he was commanded to do,
[13:10.500 --> 13:16.500]  and then once they were arrested, brought them before the court,
[13:16.500 --> 13:24.500]  they would have had opportunity to show that they were never guilty in the first place.
[13:24.500 --> 13:29.500]  That's what the examining trial is for.
[13:29.500 --> 13:31.500]  This is the whole point.
[13:31.500 --> 13:33.500]  Exactly.
[13:33.500 --> 13:36.500]  Keep the court clear of things that don't need to go to court.
[13:36.500 --> 13:41.500]  And he didn't do that because I was not an attorney.
[13:41.500 --> 13:44.500]  But then he's not an attorney either.
[13:44.500 --> 13:48.500]  But I guess he thinks because he's a JP, he has some special knowledge
[13:48.500 --> 13:52.500]  or some special powers that he can do what he wants to.
[13:52.500 --> 13:56.500]  Well, we'll see how that works for him, because I'm going to claim
[13:56.500 --> 14:01.500]  that the aircraft I was trying to recover was worth $60,000.
[14:01.500 --> 14:05.500]  I'm sorry, worth $70,000.
[14:05.500 --> 14:10.500]  And Dr. Joe promised me $20,000 if I could recover it for him.
[14:10.500 --> 14:15.500]  But because he didn't do his job, I couldn't recover the airplane.
[14:15.500 --> 14:17.500]  It cost me $60,000.
[14:17.500 --> 14:19.500]  I'm sorry, he was going to give me $20,000.
[14:19.500 --> 14:22.500]  And since he didn't do his job, he cost me $20,000,
[14:22.500 --> 14:26.500]  and I'm suing him for a primitive triple.
[14:26.500 --> 14:30.500]  So I'm suing him for $60,000.
[14:30.500 --> 14:34.500]  See if I can't get his bass boned.
[14:34.500 --> 14:36.500]  And the chief of police.
[14:36.500 --> 14:43.500]  And if I can't find a warrant, Judge Maher, the district judge, is next.
[14:43.500 --> 14:46.500]  I'm trying to soften up the county.
[14:46.500 --> 14:50.500]  If you're going to take on the system, figure out how it works.
[14:50.500 --> 14:52.500]  Use the system against him.
[14:52.500 --> 14:55.500]  That's what I'm trying to do here.
[14:55.500 --> 14:58.500]  Okay, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
[14:58.500 --> 15:01.500]  We have three callers already on the board.
[15:01.500 --> 15:04.500]  So I'm going to start out with Tina, who called last night.
[15:04.500 --> 15:08.500]  Hello, Ms. Tina.
[15:08.500 --> 15:14.500]  Randy, let me turn the microphone off so you can hear me properly.
[15:14.500 --> 15:18.500]  I have a real quick question.
[15:18.500 --> 15:28.500]  I was asked to help a lady that has a rental in Texas and a property in California.
[15:28.500 --> 15:38.500]  She is in bankruptcy in Texas, and the trustee hired someone he knew,
[15:38.500 --> 15:44.500]  I think it was a relative, to do an appraisal of this property,
[15:44.500 --> 15:49.500]  and they bought the appraisal in at like $2 million,
[15:49.500 --> 15:52.500]  which is supposedly half of what it's really worth.
[15:52.500 --> 15:55.500]  It's a ranch in Northern California.
[15:55.500 --> 15:57.500]  They are trying to sell it fast.
[15:57.500 --> 16:09.500]  The trustee's appraiser and relative was seen on camera partying at the property.
[16:09.500 --> 16:15.500]  So what I suggested, because they're trying to foreclose on Tuesday,
[16:15.500 --> 16:23.500]  the trustee refused the two offers of refinancing that she had procured.
[16:23.500 --> 16:27.500]  I suggested she might try refusing the trustee,
[16:27.500 --> 16:34.500]  but she has an attorney who she says is not helping her and he seems to be in league.
[16:34.500 --> 16:37.500]  Oh, you've run me off the cliff, Randy.
[16:37.500 --> 16:39.500]  Okay, we've got about 20 seconds.
[16:39.500 --> 16:44.500]  She might consider filing criminal charges against the trustee
[16:44.500 --> 16:47.500]  and start working that to the grand jury and such.
[16:47.500 --> 16:48.500]  Hang on.
[16:48.500 --> 16:55.500]  Randy Kelt and Brett Fountain's rule of our radio, our call-in number, 512-646-1984.
[16:55.500 --> 17:20.500]  We'll be right back.
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[19:23.500 --> 19:47.500]  Okay, we are back.
[19:47.500 --> 19:51.500]  When it comes to foreclosures, there's a lot of questions I got.
[19:51.500 --> 20:00.500]  And how long has this woman been in foreclosure?
[20:00.500 --> 20:04.500]  Oh, we can't hear you, Tina.
[20:04.500 --> 20:06.500]  Oh, now we can hear you better.
[20:06.500 --> 20:10.500]  Somebody forgot to unmute you.
[20:10.500 --> 20:16.500]  I'm not exactly sure because I've only been asked to help, you know, recently.
[20:16.500 --> 20:20.500]  And I was on the phone with her last night and I said, you know,
[20:20.500 --> 20:27.500]  you can file, to buy time, you can file to recuse the trustee.
[20:27.500 --> 20:31.500]  And then she tells me she has an attorney who's not being very helpful
[20:31.500 --> 20:34.500]  and she feels he's in league with them.
[20:34.500 --> 20:40.500]  And I said then I would ask you if you knew how to,
[20:40.500 --> 20:47.500]  how that she could force her attorney to file a recusal because he's not going to do it willingly.
[20:47.500 --> 20:51.500]  And, you know, and she's not having the time.
[20:51.500 --> 20:52.500]  Wait, wait.
[20:52.500 --> 20:54.500]  She's in California.
[20:54.500 --> 21:04.500]  This is a problem I have, especially with cases in general, but especially mortgage, foreclosure cases.
[21:04.500 --> 21:11.500]  People come to you for help at absolutely the last minute.
[21:11.500 --> 21:17.500]  They're standing on the edge of the cliff with one foot in midair and just about to drop.
[21:17.500 --> 21:19.500]  Isn't that the truth?
[21:19.500 --> 21:21.500]  That's for all kinds of situations.
[21:21.500 --> 21:24.500]  You know, they wait till absolutely the last minute.
[21:24.500 --> 21:26.500]  I kind of understand it.
[21:26.500 --> 21:34.500]  When I was prosecuted in Cherokee County, it was extremely difficult for me to address the issue
[21:34.500 --> 21:40.500]  because it was, and I was looking at a year in jail and it was incredibly stressful.
[21:40.500 --> 21:44.500]  I was amazed at how hard it was for me to address this issue.
[21:44.500 --> 21:49.500]  I wanted to hide from it and pretend like it wasn't there and stay busy with other things,
[21:49.500 --> 21:51.500]  but it caught up with me.
[21:51.500 --> 21:56.500]  And this is what people do.
[21:56.500 --> 22:06.500]  There's a lot of information you need before you can figure out what's even going on.
[22:06.500 --> 22:16.500]  Well, I have enough to know that she's got other appraisals where they said this is a very lowball appraisal.
[22:16.500 --> 22:20.500]  They've got somebody of theirs to offer to buy it.
[22:20.500 --> 22:26.500]  So what I thought is just to buy her the time to get more information,
[22:26.500 --> 22:31.500]  if she recuses the trustee, then that buys her a little time.
[22:31.500 --> 22:33.500]  But how do you get her...
[22:33.500 --> 22:35.500]  How do you recuse the trustee?
[22:35.500 --> 22:43.500]  First, you file criminal charges against the trustee for criminal conspiracy.
[22:43.500 --> 22:50.500]  Then once you file that, you do that with certified mail and you send it to some magistrate.
[22:50.500 --> 22:55.500]  Send it to the Chief Justice of the California Supreme.
[22:55.500 --> 22:58.500]  Well, it's in Texas because it's in Texas.
[22:58.500 --> 23:07.500]  You file for a restraining order and you file for a record, not a recusal.
[23:07.500 --> 23:13.500]  You file to remove the trustee.
[23:13.500 --> 23:15.500]  You need a restraining order.
[23:15.500 --> 23:18.500]  The attorney is not going to do it.
[23:18.500 --> 23:28.500]  Her attorney in Texas, where the bankruptcy is, is not going to be helpful to her in doing that.
[23:28.500 --> 23:33.500]  She is currently in California where her property is and she has no access.
[23:33.500 --> 23:35.500]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[23:35.500 --> 23:41.500]  Her property that's being foreclosed on is in California?
[23:41.500 --> 23:43.500]  Yes.
[23:43.500 --> 23:46.500]  And she has a Texas attorney?
[23:46.500 --> 23:51.500]  Yes, because she was renting a property in Texas and she was trying to get help.
[23:51.500 --> 23:56.500]  And this attorney said she should file bankruptcy in Texas, a chapter.
[23:56.500 --> 24:01.500]  She filed a Chapter 11 and the judge, when he apparently saw everything,
[24:01.500 --> 24:06.500]  within 20 minutes he said, no, I'm converting this to a 7.
[24:06.500 --> 24:08.500]  It should have been a 7 to start with.
[24:08.500 --> 24:12.500]  Does she claim the property is unsecured?
[24:12.500 --> 24:15.500]  That part I don't know.
[24:15.500 --> 24:16.500]  Okay.
[24:16.500 --> 24:18.500]  How many variables here?
[24:18.500 --> 24:20.500]  I got stacks and stacks of variables.
[24:20.500 --> 24:23.500]  So we got she's in Texas.
[24:23.500 --> 24:25.500]  Is the court in Texas?
[24:25.500 --> 24:26.500]  She's in California.
[24:26.500 --> 24:28.500]  She's in California.
[24:28.500 --> 24:36.500]  Currently she was renting in Texas, but the court is in Texas.
[24:36.500 --> 24:38.500]  The property is being foreclosed on.
[24:38.500 --> 24:39.500]  Where is it?
[24:39.500 --> 24:41.500]  California.
[24:41.500 --> 24:43.500]  It's a real property.
[24:43.500 --> 24:46.500]  California has jurisdiction.
[24:46.500 --> 24:48.500]  That's what I thought, but how do you change,
[24:48.500 --> 24:52.500]  how do you take a bankruptcy from Texas to California?
[24:52.500 --> 24:56.500]  The first thing she has to do is bog-grieve the lawyer.
[24:56.500 --> 25:04.500]  Tell the lawyer, I will sue you for three times the value of this property for,
[25:04.500 --> 25:08.500]  what do you call it, insufficient counsel.
[25:08.500 --> 25:09.500]  What is it?
[25:09.500 --> 25:11.500]  Ineffective assistant to counsel.
[25:11.500 --> 25:13.500]  That's the words I was looking for.
[25:13.500 --> 25:16.500]  Ineffective assistant.
[25:16.500 --> 25:20.500]  Land on the attorney first.
[25:20.500 --> 25:26.500]  She needs to file criminal charges against the trustee.
[25:26.500 --> 25:30.500]  Where in Texas is this?
[25:30.500 --> 25:33.500]  From memory, because I'm new to this.
[25:33.500 --> 25:39.500]  I think it's somewhere near Dallas, I believe, but I can find out.
[25:39.500 --> 25:45.500]  Okay, the court's going to be in Denison.
[25:45.500 --> 25:47.500]  That's going to be the Northern District.
[25:47.500 --> 25:52.500]  And we've heard a lot of bad stuff about the bankruptcy court in Denison.
[25:52.500 --> 25:58.500]  She needs to file criminal charges against the trustee for criminal conspiracy.
[25:58.500 --> 26:03.500]  And then a motion to disqualify the trustee.
[26:03.500 --> 26:10.500]  A motion and in that a motion for restraining order to prevent the trustee from disposing of the property.
[26:10.500 --> 26:12.500]  Wait, this is federal.
[26:12.500 --> 26:17.500]  Now she can file against him in the state.
[26:17.500 --> 26:22.500]  She should file against him in both.
[26:22.500 --> 26:27.500]  The trustee is working out of the federal courthouse.
[26:27.500 --> 26:33.500]  But the federal courthouse does not belong to the feds.
[26:33.500 --> 26:38.500]  No federal courthouse belongs to the feds except the one in D.C.
[26:38.500 --> 26:42.500]  The federal courthouse has belonged to the state.
[26:42.500 --> 26:52.500]  So when they're in the federal courthouse, they're in this state and subject to the penal laws of this state.
[26:52.500 --> 26:55.500]  And the rule is take the state to the fed and the fed to the state.
[26:55.500 --> 26:59.500]  So file against the trustee in the state.
[26:59.500 --> 27:07.500]  Do it by sending a criminal complaint to the Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme.
[27:07.500 --> 27:13.500]  He's a magistrate.
[27:13.500 --> 27:14.500]  And he's not going to act on it.
[27:14.500 --> 27:17.500]  Then you file criminal charges against the Chief Justice.
[27:17.500 --> 27:19.500]  No, bad idea.
[27:19.500 --> 27:22.500]  File with the local magistrate.
[27:22.500 --> 27:28.500]  And when the magistrate doesn't issue a warrant,
[27:28.500 --> 27:34.500]  then you give notice to the magistrate of your intent to sue the magistrate for the full value of the property.
[27:34.500 --> 27:36.500]  That'll get him off the dime.
[27:36.500 --> 27:42.500]  15.09 gives you a shot at the magistrate.
[27:42.500 --> 27:49.500]  If you're in the state and you're suing a state actor for protecting a federal actor,
[27:49.500 --> 28:00.500]  the state is likely to land on the federal actor since you have criminal charges against the federal actor.
[28:00.500 --> 28:02.500]  Am I making any sense?
[28:02.500 --> 28:04.500]  You're making a lot of sense.
[28:04.500 --> 28:08.500]  And I told her about filing bar grieving the attorney.
[28:08.500 --> 28:14.500]  And I said, you tell that attorney if he doesn't get in there and say he wants an extension and you want to file this,
[28:14.500 --> 28:17.500]  I said, you'll tell him you'll bar grieve him under the Stone Age.
[28:17.500 --> 28:21.500]  And I said, I might help you if I get time to write that.
[28:21.500 --> 28:24.500]  But that's what you need to tell him and you need to be forceful.
[28:24.500 --> 28:26.500]  She's in her like mid to late 70s.
[28:26.500 --> 28:32.500]  So she's like on the edge of nervous breakdown about this.
[28:32.500 --> 28:34.500]  And you know how attorneys are.
[28:34.500 --> 28:41.500]  So I just thought I'd try to get her to call in yesterday, but she was too terrified, I think.
[28:41.500 --> 28:44.500]  And she's in a place where it's not great reception.
[28:44.500 --> 28:54.500]  So I said, well, I'll just call and ask you these two questions because I knew you would know how to get the attorney to actually speak on her behalf
[28:54.500 --> 29:04.500]  and say, you know, my client wishes to recuse the trustee or whatever just to get that time and ask for a 30-day extension.
[29:04.500 --> 29:07.500]  I said, because she can't file anything herself.
[29:07.500 --> 29:16.500]  I said, other than that, you stand up in that courtroom or on Zoom and you say, I'm firing my attorney for ineffective assistance of counsel,
[29:16.500 --> 29:20.500]  and I'd like an extension to get competent counsel.
[29:20.500 --> 29:23.500]  That was the only thing I could think of because this is happening supposedly on Tuesday.
[29:23.500 --> 29:27.500]  She has a hearing.
[29:27.500 --> 29:29.500]  Wow.
[29:29.500 --> 29:30.500]  Yeah.
[29:30.500 --> 29:37.500]  We have two business days to work with. It's just not enough.
[29:37.500 --> 29:39.500]  Not enough, but she can.
[29:39.500 --> 29:41.500]  Really just one.
[29:41.500 --> 29:44.500]  Yeah.
[29:44.500 --> 29:53.500]  But couldn't she say that and stand up in court and say, I wish to hire, fire my counsel for ineffectiveness.
[29:53.500 --> 30:02.500]  If they do hold a... We're just about to go to sponsors, but I think that might be a good idea.
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[33:33.500 --> 33:46.500]  OK, we are back.
[33:46.500 --> 33:48.500]  Brenda Fountain, Brett Fountain, Real Blade Radio.
[33:48.500 --> 33:58.500]  And I started out in pretty good mood today, but Tina, now I'm depressed.
[33:58.500 --> 34:03.500]  OK, she doesn't have to worry even if they foreclose Tuesday.
[34:03.500 --> 34:09.500]  That's not really such a big deal because you can challenge the foreclosure.
[34:09.500 --> 34:14.500]  What she needs to do is give her lawyer plausible deniability.
[34:14.500 --> 34:21.500]  She needs to bar-greeting for ineffective assistance of counsel.
[34:21.500 --> 34:31.500]  There are so many things she can do in a foreclosure that, and I suspect the lawyer hasn't done any of them.
[34:31.500 --> 34:32.500]  He's afraid to do anything.
[34:32.500 --> 34:45.500]  The last thing he wants to do if he's in Texas is get the Texas bankruptcy court upset at him because they'll screw all the rest of his clients.
[34:45.500 --> 34:47.500]  Yeah.
[34:47.500 --> 34:52.500]  So don't file bar grievances against him because you're upset at him.
[34:52.500 --> 35:03.500]  File bar grievances against him because you need to give him plausible deniability so he has an opportunity to actually do the right thing.
[35:03.500 --> 35:16.500]  I'm surprised more people don't go after their lawyers because every lawyer can't be such a good actor to pretend like they're doing something when they're really not.
[35:16.500 --> 35:28.500]  People were raised and indoctrinated to believe that people actually have integrity because they don't realize they're dealing with lawyers.
[35:28.500 --> 35:39.500]  The lawyer may have integrity, but when he's acting as a lawyer, that's not the primary motivating factor of his behavior.
[35:39.500 --> 35:44.500]  The primary motivating factor is the judge.
[35:44.500 --> 35:51.500]  Is the judge going to be mad at me and use his discretion to screw my next client?
[35:51.500 --> 35:58.500]  If I fight for this person's rights, can I screw my next client?
[35:58.500 --> 35:59.500]  So I'm the lawyer.
[35:59.500 --> 36:02.500]  What the heck do I do?
[36:02.500 --> 36:05.500]  Well, I have comments on that.
[36:05.500 --> 36:10.500]  I have a comment on that that's very recent based on all I've learned here.
[36:10.500 --> 36:28.500]  The lady I'm trying to help in New York, I had her sign a limited power of attorney to me to be her advocate on the phone to take notes and discuss her case with her attorney because she is struggling.
[36:28.500 --> 36:42.500]  We had this call with her attorney. It's a personal injury attorney who has been hired by the trustee and he does not now work for his client. He works for the trustee.
[36:42.500 --> 36:46.500]  No, he doesn't.
[36:46.500 --> 36:48.500]  Okay, this is what you tell him.
[36:48.500 --> 36:53.500]  She is the third party beneficiary.
[36:53.500 --> 36:56.500]  She's his real client.
[36:56.500 --> 37:02.500]  Apparently, what he said, this is what he was telling because I was saying I believe that's a conflict of interest.
[37:02.500 --> 37:20.500]  And he said, no, the trustee, when she fell bankruptcy, her personal injury case became the property of the trustee and the trustee has stepped into Ashley's shoes and he has now agreed to settle this case for only $500,000.
[37:20.500 --> 37:35.500]  I said, well, you've just denied her a right to her trial. And they said, oh, well, we've deemed the fact that the trustee and I think that she's not fit to go to trial because she's too emotional and she brings her religion in it.
[37:35.500 --> 37:38.500]  She's Muslim, very spiritual.
[37:38.500 --> 37:50.500]  And I said, so it's religious prosecution now and you're saying she's too emotional. Is she not allowed to show her emotions to the jury or will they will get tired of it?
[37:50.500 --> 37:52.500]  They will lose patience.
[37:52.500 --> 37:54.500]  I said, that's not for you to say.
[37:54.500 --> 37:55.500]  That's for the jury.
[37:55.500 --> 37:59.500]  Well, we think that they might reduce her award.
[37:59.500 --> 38:03.500]  And I said, well, how confident are you of her medical history?
[38:03.500 --> 38:05.500]  Oh, very confident.
[38:05.500 --> 38:09.500]  So you're confident of the medical history, but you won't let her go to trial.
[38:09.500 --> 38:11.500]  Well, she didn't do well in the deposition.
[38:11.500 --> 38:13.500]  She broke down.
[38:13.500 --> 38:22.500]  Well, that's because apparently they asked her about a kidnapping that she was kidnapped 15 years ago and she got emotional about it.
[38:22.500 --> 38:30.500]  And so I said, well, she refused the judge and the trustee, her first judge and trustee, and that's not good.
[38:30.500 --> 38:32.500]  They don't like that.
[38:32.500 --> 38:35.500]  Well, it's not up to them to like it.
[38:35.500 --> 38:43.500]  If the client feels that she's being financially raped, which she told them she was, then she's every right.
[38:43.500 --> 38:44.500]  Well, they don't like it.
[38:44.500 --> 38:46.500]  And that goes against her.
[38:46.500 --> 38:49.500]  I said, well, you're hanging by your bar card.
[38:49.500 --> 38:50.500]  She is not.
[38:50.500 --> 38:52.500]  And she has every right to do that.
[38:52.500 --> 38:55.500]  And well, she shouldn't have done that and it's not good.
[38:55.500 --> 39:03.500]  And apparently this current trustee said in open court, I'm not interested in the proof of claims of the banks.
[39:03.500 --> 39:09.500]  I'm only interested in her assets.
[39:09.500 --> 39:16.500]  And you're right that they are very worried about this per se.
[39:16.500 --> 39:18.500]  They're trying to swallow her assets.
[39:18.500 --> 39:21.500]  It was a very interesting conversation.
[39:21.500 --> 39:27.500]  One thing I don't understand about the trustee is how the trustee profits.
[39:27.500 --> 39:29.500]  What is his motivation?
[39:29.500 --> 39:30.500]  Ten percent.
[39:30.500 --> 39:35.500]  They get ten percent of any of the assets that they can foreclose.
[39:35.500 --> 39:44.500]  And then they said they're taking the 500,000 that this company that injured her through closing a door on her hand,
[39:44.500 --> 39:47.500]  they're taking that and paying her creditors.
[39:47.500 --> 39:49.500]  But they won't give her an accounting.
[39:49.500 --> 39:54.500]  They won't tell her who these creditors are and how much they're claiming.
[39:54.500 --> 39:58.500]  And they won't give her an accounting of what the trustee is.
[39:58.500 --> 40:03.500]  Okay, Tina, this is just way too complex for this show.
[40:03.500 --> 40:05.500]  I know.
[40:05.500 --> 40:11.500]  Now we're getting into other issues on top of issues, on top of issues.
[40:11.500 --> 40:18.500]  That's why this is so difficult right at the very last possible moment.
[40:18.500 --> 40:21.500]  This second one is not the last possible moment.
[40:21.500 --> 40:24.500]  This second, that's a different case, the New York one.
[40:24.500 --> 40:31.500]  I was just explaining how when you said the trustees and the court, that the attorneys are afraid of the judges,
[40:31.500 --> 40:42.500]  this attorney we spoke to reiterated, yes, the judges don't like it when we complain and they go after the attorneys and retaliate.
[40:42.500 --> 40:44.500]  He's basically admitted that.
[40:44.500 --> 40:48.500]  The attorneys, that's the attorney's problem, not your problem.
[40:48.500 --> 40:49.500]  Correct.
[40:49.500 --> 40:52.500]  Yeah.
[40:52.500 --> 40:53.500]  I don't understand.
[40:53.500 --> 40:55.500]  Yeah, I heard that the same way Randy did.
[40:55.500 --> 40:59.500]  I thought those were all lumped in together on the same case.
[40:59.500 --> 41:01.500]  Yeah, this is confusing.
[41:01.500 --> 41:04.500]  One's Texas and one's New York.
[41:04.500 --> 41:11.500]  But I was just reiterating what Randy was saying that, you know, the attorneys are afraid of the judges.
[41:11.500 --> 41:13.500]  Right, yeah, it makes sense.
[41:13.500 --> 41:15.500]  Yeah, you basically said yes.
[41:15.500 --> 41:16.500]  Yes.
[41:16.500 --> 41:23.500]  You need to make the attorney more afraid of the client than he is of the judge.
[41:23.500 --> 41:29.500]  And that's by letting the attorney know that you're bargaining in the Stone Age.
[41:29.500 --> 41:36.500]  And if he tries to withdraw, you'll object to the withdrawal, so he'll be stuck with you.
[41:36.500 --> 41:42.500]  This trustee has already taken the attorney away from her and hired him herself.
[41:42.500 --> 41:43.500]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[41:43.500 --> 41:44.500]  No, no, no.
[41:44.500 --> 41:48.500]  You just said something that's not legally possible.
[41:48.500 --> 41:54.500]  The trustee can take away a person's counsel?
[41:54.500 --> 41:56.500]  Yes.
[41:56.500 --> 42:00.500]  According to the trustee and the attorney, that's perfectly legal.
[42:00.500 --> 42:02.500]  According to them, and I have...
[42:02.500 --> 42:04.500]  Well, the attorney said so, of course.
[42:04.500 --> 42:06.500]  There is a whole lot.
[42:06.500 --> 42:08.500]  This is a problem to you.
[42:08.500 --> 42:13.500]  There is a whole lot we don't know.
[42:13.500 --> 42:20.500]  There's more stuff going on than you and your client was able to give you.
[42:20.500 --> 42:22.500]  And this is the problem.
[42:22.500 --> 42:27.500]  These things get so complex after years and years of litigation.
[42:27.500 --> 42:34.500]  And your client only tells you those pieces of information that sounds good for her position.
[42:34.500 --> 42:39.500]  Or even the pieces that they understand and leave the rest of it out.
[42:39.500 --> 42:45.500]  Yeah, there's no way I could speak to her on this issue.
[42:45.500 --> 42:49.500]  Way too much information, way too complex.
[42:49.500 --> 42:55.500]  I know how to analyze foreclosure issues, but it is complex.
[42:55.500 --> 42:58.500]  There's a lot of information I need.
[42:58.500 --> 43:05.500]  There are a lot of things her lawyer could have done that just stacks her stuff,
[43:05.500 --> 43:10.500]  but at the last minute, we can't get to it.
[43:10.500 --> 43:12.500]  So frankly, I have no idea what to tell this woman.
[43:12.500 --> 43:16.500]  You have effective counsel.
[43:16.500 --> 43:19.500]  Well, we'll try with what you said at the beginning.
[43:19.500 --> 43:26.500]  We'll try to get her to, you know, bargain with the attorney and say it's an effectiveness of counsel
[43:26.500 --> 43:28.500]  and file a criminal complaint.
[43:28.500 --> 43:32.500]  On the New York one, that's different, and we are getting...
[43:32.500 --> 43:33.500]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[43:33.500 --> 43:40.500]  I'm even reluctant to say that until I know more about what's going on.
[43:40.500 --> 43:43.500]  We have no idea what's going on.
[43:43.500 --> 43:52.500]  This is...if they foreclose, they'll have to file for eviction, and then she can appeal it.
[43:52.500 --> 43:53.500]  She can buy some time.
[43:53.500 --> 43:56.500]  Hang on, we're going to our sponsors, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain.
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[46:41.500 --> 46:44.500]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio.
[46:44.500 --> 46:46.500]  We're talking to Tina in California.
[46:46.500 --> 46:50.500]  Tina, we don't know what's really going on.
[46:50.500 --> 46:53.500]  Well, I'll give you a call tomorrow.
[46:53.500 --> 46:56.500]  You can't depend on what your client tells you,
[46:56.500 --> 47:01.500]  especially when your client doesn't really know herself what's going on.
[47:01.500 --> 47:05.500]  She only knows how she's responding to what she's experiencing.
[47:05.500 --> 47:13.500]  And if we tell her to do something, it may be totally wrong.
[47:13.500 --> 47:20.500]  Just because they're going to foreclose Tuesday, that's not the end of the world.
[47:20.500 --> 47:23.500]  There's still a lot you can do.
[47:23.500 --> 47:25.500]  Yes, I have to walk into a dinner.
[47:25.500 --> 47:29.500]  Everybody's waiting for me.
[47:29.500 --> 47:31.500]  So I have to walk into a dinner.
[47:31.500 --> 47:34.500]  Everybody's been waiting for me for the last 10 minutes.
[47:34.500 --> 47:38.500]  But I will call you tomorrow if you get a chance to have a quick call
[47:38.500 --> 47:41.500]  and then see, you know, maybe put her mind at rest,
[47:41.500 --> 47:43.500]  because I think there is a lot to do.
[47:43.500 --> 47:47.500]  I just got to put her mind at rest at Tuesday at the end of the world.
[47:47.500 --> 47:50.500]  Okay, yeah, just because they foreclosed.
[47:50.500 --> 47:54.500]  First foreclosure I worked on, the guy came to me.
[47:54.500 --> 47:57.500]  He had two days before he was going to an eviction hearing.
[47:57.500 --> 47:59.500]  They had already foreclosed on it.
[47:59.500 --> 48:04.500]  Seven years later, he was still in court with them.
[48:04.500 --> 48:09.500]  So just because they foreclosed, it's not the end of the world.
[48:09.500 --> 48:11.500]  Sounds good.
[48:11.500 --> 48:12.500]  Okay, well, have a good show.
[48:12.500 --> 48:16.500]  I will listen to the archive later to see what else I can learn.
[48:16.500 --> 48:18.500]  Okay.
[48:18.500 --> 48:19.500]  Thanks, Tina.
[48:19.500 --> 48:20.500]  Okay, thank you so much.
[48:20.500 --> 48:25.500]  Okay, now we're going to go to John in New York.
[48:25.500 --> 48:31.500]  John called in last night and we promised to take him early.
[48:31.500 --> 48:32.500]  Hello, John.
[48:32.500 --> 48:33.500]  Okay.
[48:33.500 --> 48:35.500]  What do you have for us today?
[48:35.500 --> 48:36.500]  Hi, Brad.
[48:36.500 --> 48:37.500]  Hi, Brad.
[48:37.500 --> 48:41.500]  I've got one of the fastest questions in U.S. history.
[48:41.500 --> 48:43.500]  Would there be any value...
[48:43.500 --> 48:46.500]  No, no, no, not on there, sweetie, not on there.
[48:46.500 --> 48:56.500]  Would there be any value in filing a misconduct complaint against the cop who arrested the passenger in the car for DWI?
[48:56.500 --> 49:03.500]  The cop knew the passenger wasn't driving because the cop said so, but he arrested her for DWI anyway.
[49:03.500 --> 49:05.500]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[49:05.500 --> 49:10.500]  Are you sure DWI or public intox?
[49:10.500 --> 49:12.500]  I guess it was DWI.
[49:12.500 --> 49:16.500]  That's the way it was explained to me.
[49:16.500 --> 49:21.500]  Okay, whenever something doesn't sound right, it generally isn't.
[49:21.500 --> 49:24.500]  Was she intoxicated?
[49:24.500 --> 49:25.500]  Oh, wait a minute.
[49:25.500 --> 49:26.500]  Hold on, hold on.
[49:26.500 --> 49:29.500]  Let's take a step back here.
[49:29.500 --> 49:30.500]  I don't know who's driving the car.
[49:30.500 --> 49:33.500]  Was the owner of the car driving it?
[49:33.500 --> 49:44.500]  I don't know if it was the owner, but it must have been the owner because it wasn't the DWI chargee driving the car and it wasn't her car.
[49:44.500 --> 49:46.500]  So it had to be the car.
[49:46.500 --> 49:47.500]  Okay, that's important.
[49:47.500 --> 49:48.500]  It wasn't her car.
[49:48.500 --> 49:56.500]  Did the officer allege that she had been driving it and she switched places with someone else?
[49:56.500 --> 49:57.500]  The cop asked...
[49:57.500 --> 50:02.500]  All right, here's what happened.
[50:02.500 --> 50:07.500]  The house...
[50:07.500 --> 50:10.500]  Okay, are you still there?
[50:10.500 --> 50:11.500]  Yeah, we're still here.
[50:11.500 --> 50:12.500]  Hello?
[50:12.500 --> 50:13.500]  Okay.
[50:13.500 --> 50:15.500]  They left the house.
[50:15.500 --> 50:20.500]  I don't know whose house, but they left the house, got in the car.
[50:20.500 --> 50:31.500]  There's supposedly a surveillance system on that house and it probably shows who the real driver was, but that's limited in its effectiveness.
[50:31.500 --> 50:32.500]  I realize.
[50:32.500 --> 50:39.500]  Then they go out on the highway in a 45-mile zone, get picked up for doing 68 in a 45.
[50:39.500 --> 50:49.500]  The driver, immediately when the cop stopped them, the cop saw the girl jump into the back seat.
[50:49.500 --> 50:56.500]  The driver jumped into the back seat, leaving the passenger sitting in the front on the right.
[50:56.500 --> 51:03.500]  The cop comes over to the window and says to the girl in the back seat, why did you jump in the back seat?
[51:03.500 --> 51:05.500]  He saw the driver jump in the back seat.
[51:05.500 --> 51:09.500]  He said that three or four times.
[51:09.500 --> 51:16.500]  The cop knew the passenger was not driving and the cop said so.
[51:16.500 --> 51:19.500]  He asked the girl, why did you do it three or four times?
[51:19.500 --> 51:22.500]  Then they go down to the station.
[51:22.500 --> 51:33.500]  It's my understanding that the passenger blew at a point 18, and so they arrested the passenger for DWI.
[51:33.500 --> 51:42.500]  Now, in the county that this happened in, I can tell you, 40 years of doing news, this type of thing happens all the time.
[51:42.500 --> 51:45.500]  It is so corrupt, it isn't funny.
[51:45.500 --> 51:53.500]  Any value in filing a misconduct complaint against the cop and one against the district attorney for false prosecution.
[51:53.500 --> 51:59.500]  Did you file criminal charges against the policeman for aggravated perjury?
[51:59.500 --> 52:00.500]  Yeah, that's what I would think.
[52:00.500 --> 52:03.500]  Aggravated perjury fits better than anything else.
[52:03.500 --> 52:07.500]  And the DA didn't do anything wrong at all.
[52:07.500 --> 52:10.500]  Well, yeah, but he's still part of it.
[52:10.500 --> 52:12.500]  You can't beat him up anyway.
[52:12.500 --> 52:15.500]  It's not false prosecution.
[52:15.500 --> 52:16.500]  He did his job.
[52:16.500 --> 52:23.500]  If he's prosecuting something that was brought to him to prosecute, he's doing his job.
[52:23.500 --> 52:25.500]  I see.
[52:25.500 --> 52:26.500]  I see.
[52:26.500 --> 52:27.500]  OK, so say that again.
[52:27.500 --> 52:31.500]  What should we possibly try to do by a lot?
[52:31.500 --> 52:33.500]  OK, I have a question.
[52:33.500 --> 52:39.500]  Did they do a sobriety test on the girl that jumped in the backseat?
[52:39.500 --> 52:42.500]  That I do not know.
[52:42.500 --> 52:45.500]  That's really important.
[52:45.500 --> 52:51.500]  If she was sober, that will tell you why he arrested and charged the drunk person.
[52:51.500 --> 52:54.500]  Right, exactly.
[52:54.500 --> 53:00.500]  She might have been just under the limit of what they could accuse somebody of.
[53:00.500 --> 53:04.500]  You don't have enough information to know what's going on.
[53:04.500 --> 53:13.500]  And you know, John, whenever you hear a story and it sounds really, really outrageous, it probably is.
[53:13.500 --> 53:15.500]  You're not getting everything.
[53:15.500 --> 53:21.500]  And I know people call into my show and they want remedy.
[53:21.500 --> 53:23.500]  They don't always tell us everything.
[53:23.500 --> 53:26.500]  It's not always intentional.
[53:26.500 --> 53:33.500]  They tell their inner mind to give me all the stuff I need to get this guy to help me out.
[53:33.500 --> 53:37.500]  So the bad stuff just doesn't come to mind.
[53:37.500 --> 53:41.500]  You need to ask hard questions.
[53:41.500 --> 53:44.500]  I think this is all accurate, everything I'm giving you.
[53:44.500 --> 53:46.500]  What was that you said about the cop?
[53:46.500 --> 53:49.500]  What do you charge him with?
[53:49.500 --> 53:51.500]  Aggravated perjury.
[53:51.500 --> 53:53.500]  OK.
[53:53.500 --> 53:57.500]  Aggravated because it's material.
[53:57.500 --> 54:02.500]  He didn't say that, well, that girl was really ugly when she was pretty.
[54:02.500 --> 54:06.500]  He said that she was driving.
[54:06.500 --> 54:08.500]  And he knows she wasn't driving.
[54:08.500 --> 54:12.500]  How do you charge somebody with driving while intoxicated when he already knows they weren't even driving?
[54:12.500 --> 54:13.500]  That's perjury.
[54:13.500 --> 54:16.500]  It's material fact.
[54:16.500 --> 54:17.500]  OK.
[54:17.500 --> 54:18.500]  So one more time.
[54:18.500 --> 54:22.500]  What's the official charge?
[54:22.500 --> 54:24.500]  Get a pencil.
[54:24.500 --> 54:26.500]  Got a pencil, pen?
[54:26.500 --> 54:27.500]  Just give it to me one more time.
[54:27.500 --> 54:29.500]  That's all.
[54:29.500 --> 54:32.500]  Aggravated perjury.
[54:32.500 --> 54:33.500]  Got it.
[54:33.500 --> 54:36.500]  OK.
[54:36.500 --> 54:38.500]  These cell phones are junk.
[54:38.500 --> 54:39.500]  OK.
[54:39.500 --> 54:42.500]  Is that all you have for us?
[54:42.500 --> 54:54.500]  That and I guess.
[54:54.500 --> 54:55.500]  Oh, wait, wait.
[54:55.500 --> 54:56.500]  I have a question.
[54:56.500 --> 54:58.500]  I have to make sure of something.
[54:58.500 --> 55:01.500]  I don't want to get sick or ill here.
[55:01.500 --> 55:04.500]  Are you wearing a mask, John?
[55:04.500 --> 55:05.500]  No, I'm not.
[55:05.500 --> 55:07.500]  I'm not wearing a mask.
[55:07.500 --> 55:08.500]  What?
[55:08.500 --> 55:09.500]  What?
[55:09.500 --> 55:11.500]  You called into our show and you don't wear a mask?
[55:11.500 --> 55:12.500]  What were you thinking?
[55:12.500 --> 55:15.500]  Well, I've got a special phone here.
[55:15.500 --> 55:25.500]  It's got a, it's got, it's covered with cellophane to keep the phone clean so I don't have to wash the screen six times a day from fingerprints.
[55:25.500 --> 55:29.500]  Do you have a, do you have a spit screen?
[55:29.500 --> 55:32.500]  I got a, it's covered with cellophane.
[55:32.500 --> 55:33.500]  It's red.
[55:33.500 --> 55:41.500]  Deborah always calls, we got this little round screen that goes in front of the mic and Deborah calls it a pop screen.
[55:41.500 --> 55:52.500]  Because when you say something like pop, that first syllable really blasts through the microphone and the screen breaks that down a little bit.
[55:52.500 --> 55:56.500]  I've always called it a spit screen.
[55:56.500 --> 56:00.500]  Deborah never felt that funny.
[56:00.500 --> 56:01.500]  Okay.
[56:01.500 --> 56:07.500]  I was just pulling your chain.
[56:07.500 --> 56:08.500]  We had them in radio.
[56:08.500 --> 56:10.500]  They're for babies.
[56:10.500 --> 56:15.500]  Professionals generally don't use pop screens on their bikes.
[56:15.500 --> 56:23.500]  Anyway, it's handy to have, if you've got guests, it's handy to have.
[56:23.500 --> 56:28.500]  I've got a phone screen over my mic and that acts as a pop screen.
[56:28.500 --> 56:30.500]  It keeps me from spitting in the microphone.
[56:30.500 --> 56:34.500]  Okay, do you have anything else for us, John?
[56:34.500 --> 56:36.500]  Okay, I think that's it for now.
[56:36.500 --> 56:40.500]  If there is, it'll be something fast like this.
[56:40.500 --> 56:43.500]  But that's basically it.
[56:43.500 --> 56:45.500]  Go back and get the whole story.
[56:45.500 --> 56:54.500]  When people tell you stories like this, you really need to take the side of opposing counsel and grill them for details.
[56:54.500 --> 56:57.500]  Make sure all the details fit.
[56:57.500 --> 57:02.500]  Because people don't always not tell you everything on purpose.
[57:02.500 --> 57:03.500]  It just doesn't come to mind.
[57:03.500 --> 57:06.500]  So you have to dig it out for them.
[57:06.500 --> 57:07.500]  I'm aware.
[57:07.500 --> 57:08.500]  I'm aware.
[57:08.500 --> 57:09.500]  Okay.
[57:09.500 --> 57:11.500]  All right.
[57:11.500 --> 57:13.500]  Okay, thank you, John.
[57:13.500 --> 57:14.500]  That's it for now.
[57:14.500 --> 57:15.500]  I can't think of anything else.
[57:15.500 --> 57:16.500]  I forgot whatever it was.
[57:16.500 --> 57:19.500]  So we'll just go with this.
[57:19.500 --> 57:26.500]  Okay, well, you can be sure that forgetting things is not going to get me better.
[57:26.500 --> 57:27.500]  Okay, thank you, John.
[57:27.500 --> 57:29.500]  Hey, I know what, John.
[57:29.500 --> 57:34.500]  If you want to go after the DA, I just thought of something that you could do.
[57:34.500 --> 57:41.500]  You can check and see if that cop had a body cam going.
[57:41.500 --> 57:49.500]  And then if the cop can be heard saying on his own body cam that he knew who was driving,
[57:49.500 --> 57:56.500]  and you can see on the body cam who was driving, then you can go after the DA.
[57:56.500 --> 58:02.500]  All right, I guarantee you that body cam will be broken.
[58:02.500 --> 58:04.500]  It doesn't matter.
[58:04.500 --> 58:05.500]  Unavailable.
[58:05.500 --> 58:08.500]  It was deleted in a regular routine cleanup.
[58:08.500 --> 58:12.500]  When you just claim spoilage, or avoid spoilation.
[58:12.500 --> 58:13.500]  Spoilation, yes.
[58:13.500 --> 58:14.500]  Spoilation, yes.
[58:14.500 --> 58:20.500]  You now ask the court to accept everything you say,
[58:20.500 --> 58:28.500]  because they destroyed the evidence that would support or contradict what you say.
[58:28.500 --> 58:32.500]  That's what they get for spoilation.
[58:32.500 --> 58:34.500]  Anyway, there's a possibility for you.
[58:34.500 --> 58:40.500]  Spoiling.
[58:40.500 --> 58:42.500]  Thanks for calling, John.
[58:42.500 --> 58:43.500]  Okay, thanks, John.
[58:43.500 --> 58:47.500]  Now we're going to go to Hannah in Washington.
[58:47.500 --> 58:50.500]  Brett, you'll come here with Hannah.
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[59:59.500 --> 01:00:05.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:08.500]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:10.500]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:16.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:18.500]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:00:18.500 --> 01:00:22.500]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:27.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:00:27.500 --> 01:00:28.500]  So protect your rights.
[01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:32.500]  Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
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[01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:48.500]  Imagine your mom and dad are getting ready for bed.
[01:00:48.500 --> 01:00:51.500]  They pull back the covers and find a third party there.
[01:00:51.500 --> 01:00:54.500]  He announces, I'm with the military and I'm sleeping here tonight.
[01:00:54.500 --> 01:01:00.500]  That shocking image of a third party in my parents' bed reminds me what the Third Amendment was designed to prevent.
[01:01:00.500 --> 01:01:06.500]  It protects us from being forced to share our homes with soldiers, a common demand in the days of our founding fathers.
[01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:09.500]  Third party, Third Amendment, get it?
[01:01:09.500 --> 01:01:12.500]  So if you answer a knock at your door and guys in fatigues demand lodging,
[01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:17.500]  tell them to dust off their copy of the Bill of Rights and reread the Third Amendment.
[01:01:17.500 --> 01:01:31.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:35.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:01:35.500 --> 01:01:38.500]  They guarantee you the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:01:38.500 --> 01:01:40.500]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:46.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.500]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:52.500]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
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[01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:58.500]  Okay, we are back. Rule of Law Radio, Randy Kelton.
[01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:04.500]  I'm Brat Fountain. And this is the 29th of April, 2022.
[01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:09.500]  And our next caller we're gonna go to is Hannah in Washington.
[01:04:09.500 --> 01:04:13.500]  Good evening, Hannah.
[01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:15.500]  Hello.
[01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:18.500]  Hey there. What's on your mind this evening?
[01:04:18.500 --> 01:04:20.500]  Can you hear me?
[01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:21.500]  Yes.
[01:04:21.500 --> 01:04:25.500]  I have a few things.
[01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:36.500]  First, I was curious on your guys' take with these bar grievances that I've been doing,
[01:04:36.500 --> 01:04:49.500]  because it appears that they are trying to remove my sister's lawyer from the case.
[01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:52.500]  Oh, yeah. That's kind of normal, though.
[01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:59.500]  When a lawyer is being held accountable for his unethical behavior,
[01:04:59.500 --> 01:05:03.500]  that's, by bar grievances, that's really hard on the lawyer.
[01:05:03.500 --> 01:05:08.500]  And so the lawyer wants to run away. That's normal.
[01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:21.500]  Right. Because the last motion in response to my subject matter hearing,
[01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:30.500]  the head of law who started the law firm that she is a partner at,
[01:05:30.500 --> 01:05:39.500]  he is the one that filed this motion and started with his responding
[01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:44.500]  on behalf of attorney for the petitioner, Mr. Freed.
[01:05:44.500 --> 01:05:52.500]  So now he is the one doing the motions, apparently.
[01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:54.500]  I think I'm not really understanding you.
[01:05:54.500 --> 01:06:04.500]  This other person is writing to you on behalf of the lawyer of somebody else?
[01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:13.500]  No. So my sister's lawyer is a partner at this law firm.
[01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:25.500]  The head lawyer of this law firm is now writing me on behalf of her.
[01:06:25.500 --> 01:06:32.500]  Okay. So I guess they're trying to...
[01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:33.500]  Well, two things.
[01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:38.500]  They're wanting the person who is getting themselves in trouble
[01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:41.500]  to not give any more bar grievances,
[01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:45.500]  and they're also trying to flare up like one of those lizards
[01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:48.500]  that has got this flare around his neck.
[01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:51.500]  You see those things got like a little curtain that sticks out.
[01:06:51.500 --> 01:06:54.500]  Yeah, he's trying to look big and bad.
[01:06:54.500 --> 01:06:59.500]  Yeah, I'm the important person who's talking to you now.
[01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:10.500]  Yes. Yes. Her boss is now the one responding.
[01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:17.500]  It's so great because I went back to the rules of enforcement of lawyer conduct.
[01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:30.500]  And if a lawyer who is behaving misconductly,
[01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:35.500]  and they are a partner at a law firm,
[01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:40.500]  everybody at the law firm is liable and responsible
[01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:49.500]  because now they have a manager who is doing bad things.
[01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:58.500]  So they all now can be...
[01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:01.500]  Well, I think it's probably the other way around.
[01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:05.500]  In Texas, anyway, I haven't seen a state where Washington might be different.
[01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:06.500]  I don't know.
[01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:09.500]  You'll have to go by what it says in the state bar
[01:08:09.500 --> 01:08:13.500]  in those rules of professional conduct for Washington.
[01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:17.500]  But you might be reading it.
[01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:21.500]  The one who is the partner, the supervisor or the partner,
[01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:26.500]  you'll be likely to find that that's who's responsible for all of the underlings.
[01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:28.500]  There's not so much the other way around.
[01:08:28.500 --> 01:08:31.500]  Unless you notify the underlings,
[01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:37.500]  in which case you are moving from rule 5.1 over to 8.3,
[01:08:37.500 --> 01:08:47.500]  and now they have, as any attorney who has knowledge of any other attorney's unethical behavior,
[01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:54.500]  now that attorney has a duty to report them, even if that person is their boss.
[01:08:54.500 --> 01:08:58.500]  Right. And that's what...
[01:08:58.500 --> 01:09:02.500]  My sister's lawyer is the partner.
[01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:04.500]  She is the supervisor.
[01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:08.500]  And again, I'll reread it,
[01:09:08.500 --> 01:09:15.500]  but it was my understanding saying when the partner,
[01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:22.500]  when the supervisor, the manager is behaving in this conduct,
[01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:28.500]  all the lawyers have a duty to...
[01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:31.500]  Well, that would be great. Yeah. That would be really great.
[01:09:31.500 --> 01:09:37.500]  Yeah. Even if that's not the case,
[01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:44.500]  this head lawyer who is now responding,
[01:09:44.500 --> 01:09:54.500]  unfortunately, will probably be far greased a few times for meddling in personal affairs
[01:09:54.500 --> 01:09:58.500]  that they have no business meddling in,
[01:09:58.500 --> 01:10:05.500]  unless he would like to file a notice of appearance with the court.
[01:10:05.500 --> 01:10:12.500]  But the counsel on file is Ms. DeFries.
[01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:17.500]  Anyone else is overstepping?
[01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:19.500]  You know what comes to my mind?
[01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:24.500]  I think I might do in a situation like that where you have a boss partner
[01:10:24.500 --> 01:10:31.500]  saying that they're this and that foolishness on behalf of some other lawyer.
[01:10:31.500 --> 01:10:34.500]  I would bar-grieve that some other lawyer
[01:10:34.500 --> 01:10:40.500]  and put in the bullet points of fact for that particular bar grievance,
[01:10:40.500 --> 01:10:46.500]  I would bring out that this boss man said such and such foolishness,
[01:10:46.500 --> 01:10:51.500]  and then the low man on the total poll is the one who's getting bar-grieved,
[01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:54.500]  then turn around and do a 5.1 rule,
[01:10:54.500 --> 01:10:59.500]  which is that the supervisor or partner is responsible for their underlings,
[01:10:59.500 --> 01:11:03.500]  which brings it right back to the person who actually did it,
[01:11:03.500 --> 01:11:08.500]  and they get dinged twice.
[01:11:08.500 --> 01:11:10.500]  That's what would come to my mind.
[01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:15.500]  I don't know, Randy, is that too devious?
[01:11:15.500 --> 01:11:18.500]  Yeah, way too devious.
[01:11:18.500 --> 01:11:24.500]  I was looking for an e-mail, and I wasn't listening close enough.
[01:11:24.500 --> 01:11:27.500]  You caught me.
[01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:33.500]  Well, just thinking about, well, I hope that's not too mean to that lawyer.
[01:11:33.500 --> 01:11:35.500]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:11:35.500 --> 01:11:38.500]  You can't get too mean to a lawyer.
[01:11:38.500 --> 01:11:39.500]  Okay, good.
[01:11:39.500 --> 01:11:40.500]  Thank you.
[01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:42.500]  All right then, Hannah, so you're fine.
[01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:44.500]  Okay, perfect.
[01:11:44.500 --> 01:11:50.500]  So, as far as I'm concerned, if they didn't keep breaking the law,
[01:11:50.500 --> 01:11:53.500]  this wouldn't happen.
[01:11:53.500 --> 01:11:54.500]  Mm-hmm.
[01:11:54.500 --> 01:12:01.500]  Oh, and even in my last bar grievance, the fifth one,
[01:12:01.500 --> 01:12:12.500]  they bc'd this head lawyer of her law firm, who is now responding to me,
[01:12:12.500 --> 01:12:23.500]  incited Washington court rules like since this bar grievance got filed this date,
[01:12:23.500 --> 01:12:31.500]  we are per rule referring it to you and making sure you're aware of it.
[01:12:31.500 --> 01:12:34.500]  And then, what is it?
[01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:42.500]  Ten days later, then he's the one that sends me their response to my motion.
[01:12:42.500 --> 01:12:50.500]  So, they all kind of are complicit and covering for each other.
[01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:59.500]  At least that's what it looks like.
[01:12:59.500 --> 01:13:04.500]  Randy, it sounds like there's some trucks going by or some background noise over there.
[01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:08.500]  Yeah.
[01:13:08.500 --> 01:13:15.500]  So, I'm taking a look at the rules of professional conduct for Washington State,
[01:13:15.500 --> 01:13:29.500]  and it does have a special section here for 5.2 responsibilities of a subordinate lawyer.
[01:13:29.500 --> 01:13:30.500]  This is unusual.
[01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:34.500]  I'm not accustomed to seeing this as a really cool little rule.
[01:13:34.500 --> 01:13:44.500]  And subsection B says that the subordinate lawyer doesn't violate the rules of professional conduct
[01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:52.500]  if he acts in accordance with a supervisory lawyer's reasonable resolution of an arguable question.
[01:13:52.500 --> 01:14:01.500]  So, it sounds like there would have to be an arguable question of professional duty,
[01:14:01.500 --> 01:14:06.500]  and then the supervisory lawyer would have to have a reasonable resolution.
[01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:15.500]  But if you read between the lines there, if there's not a reasonable resolution of an arguable question,
[01:14:15.500 --> 01:14:23.500]  then the subordinate lawyer does violate the rules by acting in accordance with that supervisor.
[01:14:23.500 --> 01:14:25.500]  Does that make sense?
[01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:26.500]  Yeah.
[01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:36.500]  So, that's rule 5.2 subsection B, and you can throw that at the subordinates.
[01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:41.500]  I will do so.
[01:14:41.500 --> 01:14:46.500]  But on to more important questions.
[01:14:46.500 --> 01:15:00.500]  So, the hearing was completely denied, which was a little...
[01:15:00.500 --> 01:15:01.500]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:02.500]  Hearings don't get denied.
[01:15:02.500 --> 01:15:03.500]  What do you mean?
[01:15:03.500 --> 01:15:04.500]  What was denied?
[01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:05.500]  My motion.
[01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:06.500]  I'm sorry.
[01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:07.500]  My motion.
[01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:08.500]  My motion.
[01:15:08.500 --> 01:15:09.500]  Oh, what was your motion for?
[01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:12.500]  Challenging subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:15:12.500 --> 01:15:16.500]  Oh, okay. Well, that wouldn't be a motion.
[01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:19.500]  But a challenge is not something that can be denied.
[01:15:19.500 --> 01:15:28.500]  You probably had a motion for something else following it or based on that, right?
[01:15:28.500 --> 01:15:31.500]  No.
[01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:42.500]  Very often judges deny a challenge subject matter jurisdiction as if it were a motion.
[01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:45.500]  I've had a lot of them just denied out of hand, and when I file one,
[01:15:45.500 --> 01:15:51.500]  I generally want them to do that so I can go after them for failing to apply a lot of the facts.
[01:15:51.500 --> 01:15:53.500]  Yeah, that's just plain stupid.
[01:15:53.500 --> 01:16:00.500]  It's not a motion, and it's not anything for them to issue a ruling on.
[01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:03.500]  They're just so used to saying denied when they want you to go away and hush up,
[01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:07.500]  and they don't like what you have to hear, then they say the word denied.
[01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:10.500]  But that doesn't fit with a challenge.
[01:16:10.500 --> 01:16:13.500]  A jurisdictional challenge calls for not him to make a ruling,
[01:16:13.500 --> 01:16:17.500]  but him to prove up some jurisdiction.
[01:16:17.500 --> 01:16:19.500]  Exactly.
[01:16:19.500 --> 01:16:30.500]  And I have been following your guys' teachings and advice procedurally
[01:16:30.500 --> 01:16:39.500]  because I have made four scheduled hearings
[01:16:39.500 --> 01:16:49.500]  because they won't make a decision on it until I schedule a hearing.
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[01:19:46.500 --> 01:19:48.500]  Rule of Law Radio, Radio Kelty.
[01:19:48.500 --> 01:19:53.500]  I'm Brett Fountain, and we are talking with Hannah in Washington.
[01:19:53.500 --> 01:20:01.500]  We're talking about what do you do when you go to a hearing with a challenge to jurisdiction,
[01:20:01.500 --> 01:20:05.500]  and the judge says denied?
[01:20:05.500 --> 01:20:09.500]  Well, Hannah, what did you do?
[01:20:09.500 --> 01:20:20.500]  Well, I repeatedly asked the commission to state what the basis of her denial was,
[01:20:20.500 --> 01:20:30.500]  what the law she was using to apply this denial, because, again, with the guardianship,
[01:20:30.500 --> 01:20:36.500]  I wasn't challenging her.
[01:20:36.500 --> 01:20:47.500]  I wanted the opposing party to state what law they were basing subject matter over,
[01:20:47.500 --> 01:20:52.500]  because the burden of proof falls on the petitioner to...
[01:20:52.500 --> 01:20:56.500]  The one who asserts it needs to prove it.
[01:20:56.500 --> 01:20:59.500]  Exactly.
[01:20:59.500 --> 01:21:09.500]  She said the court has jurisdiction because the court has jurisdiction.
[01:21:09.500 --> 01:21:12.500]  Oh, well, that's handy.
[01:21:12.500 --> 01:21:14.500]  Yeah.
[01:21:14.500 --> 01:21:28.500]  Again, I kept asking for opposing parties to prove it, and she was super flustered.
[01:21:28.500 --> 01:21:39.500]  She got up trying to look up the guardianship statute was...
[01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:48.500]  And then she stopped and was, you know what, actually, I don't have to tell you why I'm denying your motion.
[01:21:48.500 --> 01:21:51.500]  I'm just denying it.
[01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:55.500]  You can put it up for revision.
[01:21:55.500 --> 01:22:00.500]  Wait, that was the opposing party or that was the judge saying this?
[01:22:00.500 --> 01:22:03.500]  That was the commissioner saying that.
[01:22:03.500 --> 01:22:05.500]  Okay.
[01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:29.500]  So one last time I asked her, in writing, what law you're basing your denial on,
[01:22:29.500 --> 01:22:38.500]  and again, you're saying the court has jurisdiction because the court has jurisdiction.
[01:22:38.500 --> 01:22:41.500]  She said, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
[01:22:41.500 --> 01:22:43.500]  I said, okay.
[01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:49.500]  So there's a slight difference here that you'll probably want to bring up both of them.
[01:22:49.500 --> 01:22:51.500]  They're kind of getting conflated here.
[01:22:51.500 --> 01:23:01.500]  One is, is there any lawful basis for bringing the petition in the first place?
[01:23:01.500 --> 01:23:04.500]  And there better be some.
[01:23:04.500 --> 01:23:09.500]  And when you're raising the issue of jurisdiction, you're saying there's not any,
[01:23:09.500 --> 01:23:18.500]  and it infers a motion to dismiss, which is kind of what the judge is going to, is I'm not going to tell you why.
[01:23:18.500 --> 01:23:20.500]  I'm going to deny your motion.
[01:23:20.500 --> 01:23:27.500]  The only thing that could possibly mean is a motion to dismiss based on a lack of jurisdiction.
[01:23:27.500 --> 01:23:31.500]  And the judge is over here saying, I'm not going to tell you why I'm denying it.
[01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:33.500]  Well, the judge has to tell you why.
[01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:39.500]  But instead of focusing on why deny.
[01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:41.500]  Okay.
[01:23:41.500 --> 01:23:47.500]  Hannah, have I ever sent you my jurisdiction folder?
[01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:49.500]  No.
[01:23:49.500 --> 01:23:52.500]  Send me an email and ask for it.
[01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:54.500]  I have a whole folder on it.
[01:23:54.500 --> 01:24:01.500]  And I have some subject matter jurisdiction challenges with a whole bunch of case law in it.
[01:24:01.500 --> 01:24:09.500]  And primarily it says that when an action is filed in the court, jurisdiction is presumed.
[01:24:09.500 --> 01:24:15.500]  But once it is challenged, jurisdiction is lost as a matter of law.
[01:24:15.500 --> 01:24:21.500]  When you challenge jurisdiction, the judge no longer had it.
[01:24:21.500 --> 01:24:26.500]  Then he had to prove it.
[01:24:26.500 --> 01:24:29.500]  This is well-established law.
[01:24:29.500 --> 01:24:36.500]  So now you send a notice of intent to sue to the judge.
[01:24:36.500 --> 01:24:45.500]  You maintain the judge did not have jurisdiction, therefore the judge has zero immunity.
[01:24:45.500 --> 01:24:47.500]  Okay.
[01:24:47.500 --> 01:24:55.500]  And you get to sue the judge because you get to sue the judge.
[01:24:55.500 --> 01:24:57.500]  And so send me an email.
[01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:03.500]  I will send you my folder and I'll dig out a couple of the jurisdiction challenges that are filed.
[01:25:03.500 --> 01:25:13.500]  And I have a whole section in there on case law on subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:17.500]  Okay.
[01:25:17.500 --> 01:25:27.500]  I guess my intent, I don't really, I don't care to sue the judge.
[01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:29.500]  I mean, if that's the only...
[01:25:29.500 --> 01:25:30.500]  No, no, no, no.
[01:25:30.500 --> 01:25:32.500]  That's not the point.
[01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:41.500]  You want the judge up on the legal dime and following the law, not screwing you because the judge can.
[01:25:41.500 --> 01:25:42.500]  Exactly.
[01:25:42.500 --> 01:25:43.500]  You want to...
[01:25:43.500 --> 01:25:45.500]  So how do...
[01:25:45.500 --> 01:25:46.500]  I'm sorry.
[01:25:46.500 --> 01:25:47.500]  Go ahead.
[01:25:47.500 --> 01:25:50.500]  Too soon to ask how to take this on.
[01:25:50.500 --> 01:25:51.500]  Send me an email.
[01:25:51.500 --> 01:25:57.500]  I'll send you the documents that I've filed and the associated case law.
[01:25:57.500 --> 01:26:03.500]  Read through those and you'll know how to go after it.
[01:26:03.500 --> 01:26:10.500]  You need to move to disqualify the judge due to the conduct of the judge and file criminal complaints against the judge
[01:26:10.500 --> 01:26:16.500]  because once jurisdiction was challenged, jurisdictional was a threshold issue.
[01:26:16.500 --> 01:26:18.500]  It had to be approved by the court.
[01:26:18.500 --> 01:26:19.500]  They didn't do it.
[01:26:19.500 --> 01:26:24.500]  So what they did after that, they did without subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:26:24.500 --> 01:26:29.500]  And the judge was impersonating a public official.
[01:26:29.500 --> 01:26:33.500]  When did he get his attention?
[01:26:33.500 --> 01:26:39.500]  Well, and I filed today a motion for revision.
[01:26:39.500 --> 01:26:46.500]  So essentially, I'm appealing the commissioner's decision denying it.
[01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:47.500]  Okay.
[01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:48.500]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:26:48.500 --> 01:26:51.500]  What state are you in?
[01:26:51.500 --> 01:26:52.500]  Washington.
[01:26:51.500 --> 01:26:52.500]  Washington, Washington.
[01:26:52.500 --> 01:26:53.500]  Okay.
[01:26:53.500 --> 01:27:02.500]  File a petition for writ of mandamus, and that's a writ of, in some states it's called writ of mandate.
[01:27:02.500 --> 01:27:13.500]  You ask the appellate court to order the judge to give you findings of fact and conclusions at law concerning her claim
[01:27:13.500 --> 01:27:20.500]  that she has jurisdiction because she has jurisdiction.
[01:27:20.500 --> 01:27:23.500]  That'll get their attention, and that stops the case.
[01:27:23.500 --> 01:27:25.500]  And quotes around that.
[01:27:25.500 --> 01:27:28.500]  That's beautiful.
[01:27:28.500 --> 01:27:29.500]  Right.
[01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:37.500]  And I had talked with you a couple weeks ago about this step.
[01:27:37.500 --> 01:27:50.500]  And so I have, my intent with scheduling the subject matter challenge hearing again was for when I appeal,
[01:27:50.500 --> 01:28:01.500]  so to have the judge look at the commissioner's decision, it is only for subject matter.
[01:28:01.500 --> 01:28:08.500]  That was the only motion that was before the commissioner.
[01:28:08.500 --> 01:28:12.500]  That's right.
[01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:16.500]  Was it the commissioner that just said they had jurisdiction because he had jurisdiction?
[01:28:16.500 --> 01:28:19.500]  See, yeah.
[01:28:19.500 --> 01:28:24.500]  Okay, this gets an interlocutory appeal to the court of appeals.
[01:28:24.500 --> 01:28:29.500]  Either an interlocutory appeal because subject matter jurisdiction would be dispositive.
[01:28:29.500 --> 01:28:33.500]  If the court does not have it, the case is over.
[01:28:33.500 --> 01:28:42.500]  So anything that would be dispositive that would end the case is ripe for interlocutory appeal.
[01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:52.500]  Or you could ask the appellate court to command the judge to give findings of fact and show cause
[01:28:52.500 --> 01:28:59.500]  for alleging that the court has jurisdiction because it has jurisdiction.
[01:28:59.500 --> 01:29:06.500]  The court of appeals is not likely to consider that to be very funny.
[01:29:06.500 --> 01:29:09.500]  It will stop the case in its tracks.
[01:29:09.500 --> 01:29:15.500]  Get what the judge is doing out of the judge's hands and into a higher court's hands.
[01:29:15.500 --> 01:29:27.500]  The judge is not going to like that one little bit because the court of appeals is likely to cut a button off her shirt or his shirt.
[01:29:27.500 --> 01:29:32.500]  I have jurisdiction because I have jurisdiction.
[01:29:32.500 --> 01:29:34.500]  Let's see how that works.
[01:29:34.500 --> 01:29:37.500]  You always want to get it to the higher court if you can.
[01:29:37.500 --> 01:29:38.500]  That will get their attention.
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[01:33:49.500 --> 01:33:54.500]  Brenda Kelton, Brett Blount, and LogosRadio, and we're talking to Hannah in Washington.
[01:33:54.500 --> 01:33:58.500]  Where were we, Hannah?
[01:33:58.500 --> 01:34:15.500]  We were at trying to enforce the lower court to provide findings of facts and conclusions of law on how they have jurisdiction when they don't.
[01:34:15.500 --> 01:34:20.500]  Have you ever written an appeal?
[01:34:20.500 --> 01:34:28.500]  I have done three appeals just to the judge.
[01:34:28.500 --> 01:34:39.500]  An appeal to the appellate courts, they tend to have their own format that they want.
[01:34:39.500 --> 01:34:46.500]  You almost always have to have a table of contents and a table of authorities.
[01:34:46.500 --> 01:34:50.500]  Right.
[01:34:50.500 --> 01:34:51.500]  I have not written one.
[01:34:51.500 --> 01:34:54.500]  I have looked at...
[01:34:54.500 --> 01:34:55.500]  Okay.
[01:34:55.500 --> 01:34:57.500]  Do you use Microsoft Word?
[01:34:57.500 --> 01:34:59.500]  I do.
[01:34:59.500 --> 01:35:17.500]  Okay, then probably need to do a conference call or maybe we can do a, what do you call it, a Zoom call and I'll go through how to use Word to build an appellate document.
[01:35:17.500 --> 01:35:32.500]  Most of the work you can get Microsoft Word to do and Microsoft Word is the only processor that has the ability to create a table of authorities.
[01:35:32.500 --> 01:35:33.500]  Okay.
[01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:38.500]  Microsoft Word does not play well on the Internet and that was a big problem for me.
[01:35:38.500 --> 01:35:48.500]  So I tried to find a word processor that played well with the Internet and OpenOffice does and Libre does and there's a number of them that do,
[01:35:48.500 --> 01:35:55.500]  but none of them will do a table of authorities and in an appellate document that's an important part.
[01:35:55.500 --> 01:35:59.500]  So I'm stuck with doing it in Microsoft Word.
[01:35:59.500 --> 01:36:01.500]  So I'll show you how to do that.
[01:36:01.500 --> 01:36:10.500]  Actually, I have a whole process for how to build these documents so everything you do builds from where you're at to the next step
[01:36:10.500 --> 01:36:17.500]  and so you don't have a spot where you have to craft an appeal from scratch.
[01:36:17.500 --> 01:36:27.500]  For the time you need to appeal, your request for findings, effect and conclusions at law is a precursor to your appellate document
[01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:33.500]  and your appellate document is a precursor to your cert to the Supreme.
[01:36:33.500 --> 01:36:38.500]  So if we get enough people that's interested, I'll do a Zoom call on that.
[01:36:38.500 --> 01:36:42.500]  But right now you need to file, get it out of the local courts.
[01:36:42.500 --> 01:36:44.500]  This gets it to the Court of Appeals.
[01:36:44.500 --> 01:36:51.500]  I was in a court in Cherokee County and someone mentioned the Court of Appeals
[01:36:51.500 --> 01:36:58.500]  and the judge, Brother Riley said, yeah, the gods in Tyler.
[01:36:58.500 --> 01:37:04.500]  He clearly did not like them, but he was clearly intimidated by them.
[01:37:04.500 --> 01:37:10.500]  This judge will pay close attention to the Court of Appeals.
[01:37:10.500 --> 01:37:18.500]  He will not like the fact that he has to explain to them what he meant when he said he has jurisdiction because he has jurisdiction.
[01:37:18.500 --> 01:37:22.500]  And you will black his eye big time.
[01:37:22.500 --> 01:37:33.500]  Yeah, I told the commissioner at the end that Washington State Court of Appeals and Supreme Court
[01:37:33.500 --> 01:37:50.500]  have many times ruled and ordered the trial court to revise their ruling that they have erred by.
[01:37:50.500 --> 01:37:58.500]  So simply find one of those filings and look at how they put together their documentation.
[01:37:58.500 --> 01:38:02.500]  It's not like a regular motion or pleading in the trial court.
[01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:04.500]  No, it's not.
[01:38:04.500 --> 01:38:08.500]  Yes, I understand.
[01:38:08.500 --> 01:38:24.500]  Last thing before I go that I have to address with you guys is jury trial in family court.
[01:38:24.500 --> 01:38:43.500]  I apparently have a non-jury trial date and I went to the courthouse today and nobody knows anything about doing that.
[01:38:43.500 --> 01:38:46.500]  Did you put in a jury to end?
[01:38:46.500 --> 01:38:59.500]  I did. I have put in three and the last one the clerk sent back to me and said there is a fee required.
[01:38:59.500 --> 01:39:02.500]  And what was the fee?
[01:39:02.500 --> 01:39:09.500]  I think it was $300.
[01:39:09.500 --> 01:39:15.500]  Did you file for inability to pay?
[01:39:15.500 --> 01:39:21.500]  No.
[01:39:21.500 --> 01:39:32.500]  Okay, $300 is not enough to preclude you getting the jury.
[01:39:32.500 --> 01:39:36.500]  I've always had bad luck with juries.
[01:39:36.500 --> 01:39:43.500]  When I go to court, I want the judge ruling because if a jury rules against you, you don't have anything to complain about.
[01:39:43.500 --> 01:39:50.500]  The judge on the other hand is commanded to properly apply the law to the facts.
[01:39:50.500 --> 01:39:52.500]  He has to act like a robot.
[01:39:52.500 --> 01:39:55.500]  He has to take the facts and apply the laws.
[01:39:55.500 --> 01:40:02.500]  He doesn't get to apply his feelings and you get to question him as to why he ruled the way he did.
[01:40:02.500 --> 01:40:07.500]  You can't ask any questions.
[01:40:07.500 --> 01:40:30.500]  Okay, I just don't know what to do with that because do I go for a jury trial
[01:40:30.500 --> 01:40:37.500]  or keep this railroading?
[01:40:37.500 --> 01:40:52.500]  I mean, these judges just to say no because I said so and I guess it's...
[01:40:52.500 --> 01:40:55.500]  But that's normal.
[01:40:55.500 --> 01:41:03.500]  I mean, I'm not saying it's right, but it happens all the time and once you get into a rhythm of every time they do that,
[01:41:03.500 --> 01:41:09.500]  you hold them accountable, then it stops their rhythm and they get kind of irritated about that, but too bad.
[01:41:09.500 --> 01:41:11.500]  They just need to stop like you said earlier.
[01:41:11.500 --> 01:41:13.500]  They don't want to get bar grieved.
[01:41:13.500 --> 01:41:16.500]  They just don't...they need to follow the ethical rules.
[01:41:16.500 --> 01:41:22.500]  Well, if these people don't want to get criminal complaints against them, they just need to stop breaking the law.
[01:41:22.500 --> 01:41:25.500]  Same with these judges.
[01:41:25.500 --> 01:41:27.500]  Yeah.
[01:41:27.500 --> 01:41:29.500]  Yeah.
[01:41:29.500 --> 01:41:32.500]  No, I hear you.
[01:41:32.500 --> 01:41:39.500]  Well, I have the appeal hearing next week.
[01:41:39.500 --> 01:41:55.500]  So I need after that order, then I have the simplicity of going out of the trial court to the higher.
[01:41:55.500 --> 01:42:03.500]  I wanted to make it very, very simple for the higher court to review.
[01:42:03.500 --> 01:42:05.500]  You know what I mean?
[01:42:05.500 --> 01:42:09.500]  The only matter before them was subject matter, the challenge of it.
[01:42:09.500 --> 01:42:11.500]  So...
[01:42:11.500 --> 01:42:21.500]  Well, I have jurisdiction because I have jurisdiction is pretty simple.
[01:42:21.500 --> 01:42:23.500]  Right.
[01:42:23.500 --> 01:42:35.500]  So you have a...that's a really good issue for an interlocutory appeal or a petition for the mandamus.
[01:42:35.500 --> 01:42:40.500]  Yeah, I agree with you.
[01:42:40.500 --> 01:42:41.500]  Okay.
[01:42:41.500 --> 01:42:48.500]  Do you have anything else for us?
[01:42:48.500 --> 01:42:53.500]  I don't think so.
[01:42:53.500 --> 01:42:54.500]  I think that was it.
[01:42:54.500 --> 01:42:55.500]  Okay.
[01:42:55.500 --> 01:43:00.500]  Thank you very much and keep us up to speed on what happens.
[01:43:00.500 --> 01:43:03.500]  Now we're going to go to Nancy in Pennsylvania.
[01:43:03.500 --> 01:43:05.500]  Hello, Nancy.
[01:43:05.500 --> 01:43:08.500]  What do you have for us today?
[01:43:08.500 --> 01:43:09.500]  Hi.
[01:43:09.500 --> 01:43:15.500]  I just was wanting to follow up from last night with a couple of questions.
[01:43:15.500 --> 01:43:16.500]  Oh, no, no.
[01:43:16.500 --> 01:43:17.500]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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[01:43:27.500 --> 01:43:30.500]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.
[01:43:30.500 --> 01:43:31.500]  Yeah.
[01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:37.500]  Well, I'd like to do that, but there's other people waiting on the line and, oh, wait, you're going to put me off the cliff.
[01:43:37.500 --> 01:43:38.500]  So forget it.
[01:43:38.500 --> 01:43:39.500]  I'm not going to give you a whole week long.
[01:43:39.500 --> 01:43:43.500]  They all want to hear good stuff about us, more than we do.
[01:43:43.500 --> 01:43:45.500]  Right, Brett?
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[01:47:05.500 --> 01:47:11.500]  Randy Kelvin, Brett Salton, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Nancy in Pennsylvania.
[01:47:11.500 --> 01:47:14.500]  Okay, go ahead, Nancy.
[01:47:14.500 --> 01:47:17.500]  Okay, so I looked up the word.
[01:47:17.500 --> 01:47:27.500]  You had said last night that in Pennsylvania, there's a pro se notary that does the filing for criminal complaints, correct?
[01:47:27.500 --> 01:47:30.500]  Did I hear that correctly?
[01:47:30.500 --> 01:47:33.500]  No, not a pro se notary.
[01:47:33.500 --> 01:47:39.500]  A complaint can go to a magistrate, but they'll direct it to the district attorney.
[01:47:39.500 --> 01:47:44.500]  She's talking about that special word that sounds like part of a butterfly.
[01:47:44.500 --> 01:47:51.500]  That is what in other states would be called the county court.
[01:47:51.500 --> 01:47:56.500]  In Pennsylvania, it's called the prothonotary.
[01:47:56.500 --> 01:48:02.500]  Yeah, so that's just the name for the county court.
[01:48:02.500 --> 01:48:07.500]  It's right beside the thorax.
[01:48:07.500 --> 01:48:11.500]  Yeah, so they're the person that you file a criminal complaint to?
[01:48:11.500 --> 01:48:12.500]  Is that what you think?
[01:48:12.500 --> 01:48:17.500]  If you think of that or it's that stuff you scrape out from under your toenail.
[01:48:17.500 --> 01:48:20.500]  No, no, you don't file it with the clerk.
[01:48:20.500 --> 01:48:22.500]  The prothonotary is a clerk.
[01:48:22.500 --> 01:48:24.500]  You file it with a magistrate.
[01:48:24.500 --> 01:48:29.500]  All judges are magistrates, except in Pennsylvania.
[01:48:29.500 --> 01:48:34.500]  You file it with the district attorney.
[01:48:34.500 --> 01:48:42.500]  If the district attorney refuses to act, then you can appeal to the court of common pleas.
[01:48:42.500 --> 01:48:47.500]  And from there, you can appeal all the way up to the supreme.
[01:48:47.500 --> 01:48:51.500]  Okay, that's what you said yesterday.
[01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:56.500]  All right, and then where you find the codes for, you know,
[01:48:56.500 --> 01:48:59.500]  like you write up a criminal complaint ahead of time,
[01:48:59.500 --> 01:49:05.500]  assuming that the magistrate won't follow through.
[01:49:05.500 --> 01:49:10.500]  And so I'm just trying to figure out where to find these codes,
[01:49:10.500 --> 01:49:16.500]  where to look and what code to create a criminal complaint ahead of time
[01:49:16.500 --> 01:49:21.500]  and have it ready if I need to use it.
[01:49:21.500 --> 01:49:27.500]  I'm not sure that the criminal complaint form is in the code.
[01:49:27.500 --> 01:49:29.500]  It is in Texas, or it used to be.
[01:49:29.500 --> 01:49:31.500]  They changed it.
[01:49:31.500 --> 01:49:38.500]  But just go to the criminal court and ask the court to see some criminal files,
[01:49:38.500 --> 01:49:41.500]  and in there you'll find criminal complaints.
[01:49:41.500 --> 01:49:46.500]  If you're just starting with this, a very good place to figure out how things,
[01:49:46.500 --> 01:49:53.500]  how to file and how to prepare and file motions is to go down and look at cases,
[01:49:53.500 --> 01:49:56.500]  look at motions and pleadings lawyers have filed.
[01:49:56.500 --> 01:49:58.500]  When I first started doing the research,
[01:49:58.500 --> 01:50:03.500]  I went down and looked through the records to see what lawyers were doing.
[01:50:03.500 --> 01:50:06.500]  I found great stuff in there.
[01:50:06.500 --> 01:50:10.500]  I found a motion in Lemony.
[01:50:10.500 --> 01:50:14.500]  I saw the heading and said, what on earth is that?
[01:50:14.500 --> 01:50:19.500]  And it was a 30-page motion in Lemony.
[01:50:19.500 --> 01:50:26.500]  A motion in Lemony is a motion asking the court to forbid the other side
[01:50:26.500 --> 01:50:31.500]  from asking certain questions.
[01:50:31.500 --> 01:50:33.500]  I had so much fun with that.
[01:50:33.500 --> 01:50:36.500]  I was in court, and the judge is really annoyed,
[01:50:36.500 --> 01:50:38.500]  going through everything you can think of.
[01:50:38.500 --> 01:50:47.500]  And then he gets to the section where I object to any reference to a hypnotic interview.
[01:50:47.500 --> 01:50:50.500]  The judge is really PO'd.
[01:50:50.500 --> 01:50:52.500]  Mr. Kauffman, were you hypnotized?
[01:50:52.500 --> 01:50:54.500]  Well, I don't know, Judge.
[01:50:54.500 --> 01:50:56.500]  You know how they can make you forget that kind of stuff.
[01:50:56.500 --> 01:51:02.500]  Ask the prosecutor.
[01:51:02.500 --> 01:51:05.500]  That was great fun.
[01:51:05.500 --> 01:51:11.500]  But you'll look through there, and they will show you how to do just about everything you need to do.
[01:51:11.500 --> 01:51:13.500]  You'll find it in the motions and pleadings.
[01:51:13.500 --> 01:51:18.500]  And you'll find a criminal affidavit in there.
[01:51:18.500 --> 01:51:23.500]  And just craft yours after what's in those records.
[01:51:23.500 --> 01:51:27.500]  I think the codes in Pennsylvania are 15 and 16.
[01:51:27.500 --> 01:51:34.500]  I think 15 is penal and 16 is criminal procedure.
[01:51:34.500 --> 01:51:37.500]  Okay, so look in the penal code.
[01:51:37.500 --> 01:51:42.500]  Yeah, you need to read the front half of the penal code twice.
[01:51:42.500 --> 01:51:47.500]  And the code criminal procedure twice.
[01:51:47.500 --> 01:51:51.500]  You look at it, and it looks really, really complex.
[01:51:51.500 --> 01:51:54.500]  It is complex, but not really, really complex.
[01:51:54.500 --> 01:51:56.500]  So read it through.
[01:51:56.500 --> 01:51:57.500]  Don't try to understand it.
[01:51:57.500 --> 01:51:59.500]  Just read it.
[01:51:59.500 --> 01:52:01.500]  Then go back and read it again.
[01:52:01.500 --> 01:52:04.500]  Actually, read the penal code.
[01:52:04.500 --> 01:52:05.500]  There's not that much there.
[01:52:05.500 --> 01:52:08.500]  It's outlined, and there's a lot of white space.
[01:52:08.500 --> 01:52:11.500]  You'll be surprised how quickly you can go through it.
[01:52:11.500 --> 01:52:14.500]  Read the penal code, and then read the criminal procedure code.
[01:52:14.500 --> 01:52:20.500]  Then go back and read the penal code after you've read the criminal procedure code.
[01:52:20.500 --> 01:52:26.500]  And a lot of stuff will begin to fit into place.
[01:52:26.500 --> 01:52:31.500]  And the second time you read the criminal procedure code, you'll know both penal and civil
[01:52:31.500 --> 01:52:35.500]  and criminal procedure better than most lawyers do.
[01:52:35.500 --> 01:52:40.500]  Now you can start asking really sophisticated questions.
[01:52:40.500 --> 01:52:48.500]  It's not as hard or time-consuming as you might think, and it is well worth the time.
[01:52:48.500 --> 01:52:49.500]  Okay.
[01:52:49.500 --> 01:52:57.500]  Yeah, all right, and then in terms of the format, like you said, go and look to see
[01:52:57.500 --> 01:53:00.500]  what's in the files, and it'll give you an idea what to do.
[01:53:00.500 --> 01:53:07.500]  But, you know, like I've learned from Brett's tutorial, you know, how to write up a criminal
[01:53:07.500 --> 01:53:14.500]  complaint yourself, and then there's official forms as well.
[01:53:14.500 --> 01:53:20.500]  And so, you know, I'm just learning the ropes of how to do it correctly, because I know
[01:53:20.500 --> 01:53:27.500]  Brett was saying in New Jersey they require something real formal, whereas, you know,
[01:53:27.500 --> 01:53:30.500]  maybe in Texas they don't.
[01:53:30.500 --> 01:53:37.500]  Any layman who puts together on a piece of paper that they witnessed a crime and puts
[01:53:37.500 --> 01:53:41.500]  it in, you know, as Brett teaches is good enough.
[01:53:41.500 --> 01:53:45.500]  So you just have to figure out what works in your state, I guess.
[01:53:45.500 --> 01:53:48.500]  Is that correct?
[01:53:48.500 --> 01:53:50.500]  That is correct.
[01:53:50.500 --> 01:53:51.500]  Okay.
[01:53:51.500 --> 01:53:56.500]  And you can do that easy enough just by looking in the record and see what's in there.
[01:53:56.500 --> 01:54:01.500]  Yeah, if I were to find myself in another state, and all of a sudden I need to file
[01:54:01.500 --> 01:54:07.500]  a criminal complaint with the locals there, well, I would start by running down to the
[01:54:07.500 --> 01:54:13.500]  court clerk and I say, please show me a dozen of your most recent complaints.
[01:54:13.500 --> 01:54:16.500]  Whatever's handy, I'd like to take a look.
[01:54:16.500 --> 01:54:21.500]  You know, the most recent ones will be easiest for the clerk to retrieve, presumably,
[01:54:21.500 --> 01:54:25.500]  because they may or may not have filed them, or they just recently filed them.
[01:54:25.500 --> 01:54:28.500]  They might have a stack of them on the desk right there.
[01:54:28.500 --> 01:54:30.500]  So just show me some complaints.
[01:54:30.500 --> 01:54:31.500]  I want to look at them.
[01:54:31.500 --> 01:54:33.500]  You'll quickly get an idea.
[01:54:33.500 --> 01:54:34.500]  Oh, they put the style up here.
[01:54:34.500 --> 01:54:35.500]  Oh, or they don't.
[01:54:35.500 --> 01:54:40.500]  Or they mention it all in one line and they put the case number above that and then they
[01:54:40.500 --> 01:54:46.500]  have or they put a line for the case number and then you can see where the clerk has
[01:54:46.500 --> 01:54:48.500]  written it in.
[01:54:48.500 --> 01:54:55.500]  And you'll just see a little pattern there and just style it like they do.
[01:54:55.500 --> 01:54:56.500]  Okay.
[01:54:56.500 --> 01:55:02.500]  And then so I did file something with the magistrate and he forwarded it to the district
[01:55:02.500 --> 01:55:08.500]  attorney for me and he said if it's approved, if the district attorney signs off on it,
[01:55:08.500 --> 01:55:10.500]  it will then be filed.
[01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:14.500]  So then what are my next steps with that one?
[01:55:14.500 --> 01:55:18.500]  Like they'd contact me if it's approved or something, you know?
[01:55:18.500 --> 01:55:19.500]  Okay.
[01:55:19.500 --> 01:55:23.500]  You don't have any standing from that point forward.
[01:55:23.500 --> 01:55:24.500]  Okay.
[01:55:24.500 --> 01:55:30.500]  You never do any report crime, but once crime is reported, it's out of your hands.
[01:55:30.500 --> 01:55:37.500]  Now it's between the state and the accused.
[01:55:37.500 --> 01:55:38.500]  Okay.
[01:55:38.500 --> 01:55:50.500]  And then how do I know though if the DA works on it, you know, or not, you know, because
[01:55:50.500 --> 01:55:51.500]  you cannot...
[01:55:51.500 --> 01:55:59.500]  Generally, the prosecutor will notify you if he elects not to pursue prosecution.
[01:55:59.500 --> 01:56:00.500]  Okay.
[01:56:00.500 --> 01:56:06.500]  But if you don't get notice in two weeks, call him and find out.
[01:56:06.500 --> 01:56:10.500]  It's okay to make a nuisance of yourself.
[01:56:10.500 --> 01:56:12.500]  Okay.
[01:56:12.500 --> 01:56:15.500]  You're the master, they're the servants.
[01:56:15.500 --> 01:56:21.500]  You can make a nuisance of yourself if you want to.
[01:56:21.500 --> 01:56:25.500]  It doesn't matter if they don't like it.
[01:56:25.500 --> 01:56:30.500]  So I know them a little bit, they will respond better.
[01:56:30.500 --> 01:56:31.500]  Okay.
[01:56:31.500 --> 01:56:35.500]  So that's calling the DA's office then.
[01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:36.500]  Yeah.
[01:56:36.500 --> 01:56:37.500]  Okay.
[01:56:37.500 --> 01:56:41.500]  But no more than two times a day.
[01:56:41.500 --> 01:56:42.500]  Yeah.
[01:56:42.500 --> 01:56:43.500]  Oh, okay.
[01:56:43.500 --> 01:56:46.500]  That'll keep me busy.
[01:56:46.500 --> 01:56:54.500]  Then when you file bar grievances and you notify the partners in the law firm, how do
[01:56:54.500 --> 01:56:57.500]  you find out if they act on it, if they report it?
[01:56:57.500 --> 01:56:58.500]  No, no.
[01:56:58.500 --> 01:57:01.500]  You don't notify the law firm of anything.
[01:57:01.500 --> 01:57:08.500]  Neither you cannot talk to the law firm about the bar grievance and the law firm cannot
[01:57:08.500 --> 01:57:13.500]  talk to you about the grievance, at least every state I've looked at.
[01:57:13.500 --> 01:57:18.500]  They require the lawyer not to speak to the person who filed the grievance because that
[01:57:18.500 --> 01:57:22.500]  would come up potentially obstruction or retaliation.
[01:57:22.500 --> 01:57:27.500]  So they keep their mouth shut and it's improper for me to talk to them.
[01:57:27.500 --> 01:57:32.500]  Both parties are required to direct their communications at the state bar.
[01:57:32.500 --> 01:57:33.500]  Okay.
[01:57:33.500 --> 01:57:34.500]  That's good.
[01:57:34.500 --> 01:57:35.500]  Redwood.
[01:57:35.500 --> 01:57:36.500]  That's good.
[01:57:36.500 --> 01:57:43.500]  Because you kick him in his professional pants and he can't even complain about it.
[01:57:43.500 --> 01:57:48.500]  If anybody else mentions the bar grievance, then you bargain the lawyer for telling them
[01:57:48.500 --> 01:57:49.500]  about it.
[01:57:49.500 --> 01:57:54.500]  They're supposed to keep his mouth shut, especially if the judge mentions it.
[01:57:54.500 --> 01:58:00.500]  Then you file a bar grievance against the lawyer and a judicial conduct complaint against
[01:58:00.500 --> 01:58:01.500]  the judge.
[01:58:01.500 --> 01:58:05.500]  That comes up retaliation obstruction.
[01:58:05.500 --> 01:58:06.500]  Yeah.
[01:58:06.500 --> 01:58:09.500]  I'm not talking about a court case though.
[01:58:09.500 --> 01:58:18.500]  I'm just talking about where a lawyer violates a rule of conduct and so you file a grievance
[01:58:18.500 --> 01:58:28.500]  on it and you inform the people in his law firm and they're supposed to report when they
[01:58:28.500 --> 01:58:32.500]  become aware of misconduct, they're supposed to report it.
[01:58:32.500 --> 01:58:38.500]  And if they don't, then they could be bar briefed is what I understand from reading
[01:58:38.500 --> 01:58:40.500]  other posts.
[01:58:40.500 --> 01:58:41.500]  Absolutely.
[01:58:41.500 --> 01:58:42.500]  Hang on.
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