[00:00.000 --> 00:05.000]  The following news flash is brought to you by the Lone Star Lowdown.
[00:05.000 --> 00:13.000]  Markets for Friday the 6th of January 2017 are currently trading with gold at $1,171.73 an ounce.
[00:13.000 --> 00:16.000]  Silver, $16.47 an ounce.
[00:16.000 --> 00:19.000]  Texas crude, $53.76 a barrel.
[00:19.000 --> 00:29.000]  And Bitcoin is down at 892 U.S. currency.
[00:29.000 --> 00:42.000]  Today in history, the year 1947, Pan American Airlines becomes the first commercial airline to offer a round-the-world ticket today in history.
[00:42.000 --> 00:49.000]  In recent news, five people were killed and eight wounded when an arriving airline passenger, 26-year-old Esteban Santiago,
[00:49.000 --> 00:53.000]  an Army National Guard veteran, pulled out a handgun from his checked luggage
[00:53.000 --> 00:58.000]  and began opening fire in the baggage claims area at the Fort Lauderdale Airport Friday today.
[00:58.000 --> 01:02.000]  According to a witness, the gunman apparently began firing without a word,
[01:02.000 --> 01:06.000]  going through about three magazines before running out of ammunition.
[01:06.000 --> 01:10.000]  He then threw the gun down and laid on the ground until the police apprehended him.
[01:10.000 --> 01:16.000]  He was arrested unharmed with no law enforcement officers firing any shots and is being questioned by the FBI.
[01:16.000 --> 01:22.000]  Apparently, the shooter's brother told the Associated Press that Esteban had been receiving psychological treatment.
[01:22.000 --> 01:29.000]  He is a veteran who was deployed to Iraq in 2010 and spent a year there with the 130th Engineering Battalion.
[01:29.000 --> 01:35.000]  He later received a general discharge from the Alaska Army National Guard last year for unsatisfactory performance.
[01:35.000 --> 01:42.000]  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and family members.
[01:42.000 --> 01:47.000]  Texas lawmaker Representative Jonathan Stickland is sponsoring a bill during the next legislative session
[01:47.000 --> 01:52.000]  which seeks to remove the need for the handgun license process in the state.
[01:52.000 --> 01:56.000]  The Constitutional Carry Bill would give residents the right to carry a gun with or without a permit.
[01:56.000 --> 01:58.000]  When interviewed about it, Stickland said that,
[01:58.000 --> 02:02.000]  quote, we don't think that Texans should have to pay for their Second Amendment rights.
[02:02.000 --> 02:09.000]  This bill would get rid of the mandatory test and fee Texans are currently having to pay and restoring constitutional rights.
[02:09.000 --> 02:14.000]  If people were trying to pass a required test to make you pay a fee for your First Amendment rights,
[02:14.000 --> 02:21.000]  then people would be going insane about that. Why it's somehow become allowable with the Second Amendment, I have no idea.
[02:21.000 --> 02:25.000]  This bill does not expand who can carry or where they can carry.
[02:25.000 --> 02:29.000]  If you are a felon or anything like that, this is not an expansion of who can carry.
[02:29.000 --> 02:33.000]  You will still have to go through the background checks of purchasing the weapon.
[02:33.000 --> 02:37.000]  Unfortunately, Texas is not leading on this issue and constitutional carry passing
[02:37.000 --> 02:47.000]  means that there is a whole new group of people previously who have not been able to afford the fees to pay the price for the mandatory classes who will now be able to carry.
[02:47.000 --> 02:53.000]  If passed, Texas will become the 11th state with constitutional carry.
[02:53.000 --> 03:02.000]  This is Rick Brody with your Lowdown for January 6, 2017.
[03:02.000 --> 03:07.000]  This is what happens when you call the cops.
[03:07.000 --> 03:13.000]  This is what happens when you call the cops. You get your rights violated or you all get shot.
[03:13.000 --> 03:20.000]  This is what happens when you call the cops.
[03:20.000 --> 03:23.000]  You get your rights violated or you all get shot.
[03:23.000 --> 03:26.000]  I'm a bunch of people being chased and mined by criminal cops.
[03:26.000 --> 03:28.000]  Psychopathic predators terrorize the neighborhood blocks.
[03:28.000 --> 03:30.640]  They're equipped with pepper spray, made cups, tazers, and glasses
[03:30.640 --> 03:33.200]  They're like serial killers, acting out subliminal thoughts
[03:33.200 --> 03:35.760]  Forget what you talk, these cops have got a license to kill
[03:35.760 --> 03:38.320]  Witness intimidation means that they can use it at will
[03:38.320 --> 03:40.960]  Code of silence means that the pigs will never let out a squeal
[03:40.960 --> 03:43.520]  And if they go to court, they know the judge will make them a deal
[03:43.520 --> 03:46.480]  For real, that's why they stoppin' me, lockin' me up and stoppin' me
[03:46.480 --> 03:49.040]  Complicatin' my poverty, darkening my demography
[03:49.040 --> 03:51.600]  Makin' the poor commodities posited in awful poverty
[03:51.600 --> 03:54.480]  Enforcin' policy, supportin' prison economies, yeah
[03:54.480 --> 03:56.400]  No one makes money when the violence stops
[03:56.400 --> 03:58.960]  Hatin' totality's the way to make a criminal croc
[03:58.960 --> 04:01.600]  Blood in the gut is how to risk, but it ain't bread at the top
[04:01.600 --> 04:04.960]  And that's why this is what happens when you call the cops
[04:04.960 --> 04:06.960]  All right, folks, good evening
[04:06.960 --> 04:10.640]  This is the Monday Night Rule of Law Radio Show with your host, Eddie Craig
[04:10.640 --> 04:15.840]  It is January 9th, 2017, the start of the new year
[04:15.840 --> 04:19.040]  This is gonna be an interesting evening if you're out there listening
[04:19.040 --> 04:20.800]  And if you're not, you're missin' out
[04:20.800 --> 04:24.320]  My special guest tonight is Mr. Dave Champion
[04:24.320 --> 04:27.840]  Author of Income Tax Shattering the Myths
[04:28.480 --> 04:33.200]  And he has definitely worked, just as we have here, to bring you information
[04:33.200 --> 04:37.120]  Useful to you if you will simply try to learn it
[04:37.920 --> 04:42.160]  Now, Dave, tell us a little bit about yourself so the folks know who you are
[04:43.200 --> 04:45.120]  So I don't really like to talk about myself, no, I'm kidding
[04:46.880 --> 04:47.680]  Well, I...
[04:47.680 --> 04:50.480]  That's funny, everybody else talks about you when you hang around, but you know
[04:50.480 --> 04:51.280]  No lie
[04:51.280 --> 04:55.280]  All you gotta do is visit Dave Champion's Liberty page on Facebook, and you can see that
[04:55.280 --> 05:01.280]  Grew up in Southern California during the very calm 70s
[05:01.280 --> 05:06.560]  And joined the military, became an Army Ranger, got home, did a few things
[05:06.560 --> 05:10.560]  Went into law enforcement, which was an eye-opening experience, as you and I both know
[05:10.560 --> 05:15.760]  Came out, worked in corporate America, and some place along the line
[05:15.760 --> 05:19.600]  My company ran into some issues with the Internal Revenue Service
[05:19.600 --> 05:27.520]  And I couldn't understand how, as a cop, you need a warrant to go seize people's property
[05:28.720 --> 05:36.240]  But the IRS made the claim that they could just go seize your money, which is your property
[05:37.280 --> 05:39.760]  Without a warrant, if they said so
[05:39.760 --> 05:43.760]  And I knew something had to be wrong with that, and that started in 2012
[05:43.760 --> 05:48.960]  And that started 20 years of research which culminated with Income Tax Shattering the Myths
[05:48.960 --> 05:53.200]  And now I do a lot of video blogging and written blogging
[05:53.200 --> 05:54.880]  And I have the Dave Champion's Liberty page
[05:54.880 --> 05:57.200]  I have a television show called The Dave Champion Show
[05:57.920 --> 06:00.640]  Which you can also find on my Dave Champion's Liberty page
[06:00.640 --> 06:04.080]  And there's a Dave Champion YouTube channel if you want to check it out
[06:04.880 --> 06:09.520]  Yeah, and if you haven't got to see them yet, some of those are going to be his epic truck rents
[06:09.520 --> 06:13.440]  Which I'm surprised he's able to do and keep the truck between the lines on the road
[06:13.440 --> 06:14.640]  The way he's going at it there
[06:14.640 --> 06:18.400]  Hopefully he's got a parking lot in some of these, because he's very active in them
[06:18.400 --> 06:20.640]  Now, I have to tell your audience a funny story
[06:21.920 --> 06:26.480]  A day or so ago, Eddie texts me and he says, are we all set for Monday night?
[06:27.360 --> 06:31.120]  And I couldn't help myself, I texted back and I said, who's this?
[06:33.120 --> 06:36.320]  And Eddie texts back, well, I thought you had my name on your phone
[06:36.320 --> 06:38.080]  Now, here's the funny part about this
[06:38.080 --> 06:43.360]  Anybody who knows Eddie, when he reaches out to you and starts a relationship with you
[06:43.360 --> 06:47.600]  It doesn't take long to realize the kind of man that Eddie is
[06:47.600 --> 06:51.200]  In a short time, I've come to realize if you're in a firefight
[06:51.200 --> 06:54.320]  Eddie is the kind of guy that you want standing next to you
[06:54.320 --> 06:57.760]  So while our friendship is relatively new
[06:57.760 --> 07:02.080]  I anticipate that Eddie and I will be friends until we die
[07:02.080 --> 07:04.640]  But of course, at our age, that's really not very important
[07:04.640 --> 07:08.320]  Let's not get into that aspect of it, shall we?
[07:08.320 --> 07:11.120]  Let's dwell on the present, we'll worry about the future later
[07:12.000 --> 07:14.000]  But I appreciate that, I appreciate that
[07:14.000 --> 07:16.800]  Yes, and on the same token, in that same conversation
[07:16.800 --> 07:19.840]  Just to show him how such a humor could match his and said, that's okay
[07:19.840 --> 07:23.680]  On a radio show I was on the day before, I'd actually physically describe Dave
[07:23.680 --> 07:26.560]  To the listeners as Mr. Clean with tattoos
[07:27.280 --> 07:31.920]  Which in physical appearance, pretty much, that'll give you an indication of what Dave's like
[07:31.920 --> 07:35.120]  He looks very much like Mr. Clean on the cleaning products
[07:35.120 --> 07:39.920]  Same jovial smile even, but he's got the tattoos to go with it
[07:39.920 --> 07:41.920]  Yeah, that is not a bad description
[07:41.920 --> 07:44.560]  No, no, it's actually pretty accurate from what I can tell
[07:45.920 --> 07:49.520]  Yeah, now, the main reason I wanted Dave on the show is because
[07:49.520 --> 07:53.520]  I've spoken to Dave off and on over the years on various subjects
[07:53.520 --> 07:56.400]  Normally something to do with the IRS and the income tax
[07:56.400 --> 08:01.040]  And we've never got to meet face to face until he came to Austin
[08:01.040 --> 08:04.960]  Here just late last year to do his part of the shoot
[08:04.960 --> 08:09.040]  In the upcoming movie that we're in together, The Grand Scam
[08:09.040 --> 08:12.800]  And if you don't know anything about that movie yet, then you'll learn
[08:12.800 --> 08:19.200]  But you can go to grandscammovie.com and look there at the trailer
[08:19.200 --> 08:21.680]  And get a general idea of what this movie is going to be about
[08:21.680 --> 08:23.280]  And how it's going to work
[08:23.280 --> 08:26.880]  And the plans are, if this movie pans out
[08:26.880 --> 08:31.120]  Then we've got another project here that will follow on its heels
[08:31.120 --> 08:35.120]  Of hopefully Dave and I working together one more time
[08:35.120 --> 08:41.120]  And being able to bring you a lot of what's in his book to the screen
[08:41.120 --> 08:45.520]  Now, it won't be like Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism
[08:45.520 --> 08:47.840]  Which touched on the subject of the income tax
[08:47.840 --> 08:49.440]  And all the people involved in it
[08:49.440 --> 08:51.040]  And how they're trying to hide it
[08:51.040 --> 08:54.240]  And are corruptly betraying the people of America
[08:54.240 --> 08:57.600]  By making them believe they have to pay this money
[08:57.600 --> 09:01.600]  Dave and I are going to get into the guts of the tax
[09:01.600 --> 09:04.800]  How it works, how it doesn't work, who it applies to
[09:04.800 --> 09:05.920]  And so on and so forth
[09:05.920 --> 09:09.120]  And Dave has thought through the process on how he would like to
[09:09.120 --> 09:11.840]  Imagine that movie being made
[09:11.840 --> 09:13.440]  And I agree with it
[09:13.440 --> 09:16.480]  I've had similar concepts of the things that I do
[09:16.480 --> 09:19.200]  And figured, you know, a movie like that would always be great
[09:19.200 --> 09:22.560]  Because I've had the same concepts that Dave told me about
[09:22.560 --> 09:26.240]  That he had on how to present this type of information before
[09:26.240 --> 09:27.840]  Just never the means to do it
[09:27.840 --> 09:29.680]  Now we may have that opportunity
[09:29.680 --> 09:32.560]  And I very much am looking forward to that
[09:32.560 --> 09:34.480]  And let me add something
[09:34.480 --> 09:38.880]  The executive producer, that's fancy Hollywood talk for the guy with the money
[09:38.880 --> 09:44.880]  Has said that if grand scam is sufficiently profitable
[09:44.880 --> 09:48.160]  This second documentary is a lot more likely
[09:48.160 --> 09:51.680]  So people who are listening, you know what to do when you're listening
[09:51.680 --> 09:54.560]  You know what to do when grand scam hits the theaters
[09:54.560 --> 09:57.280]  Go buy a ticket, make that movie profitable
[09:57.280 --> 10:01.840]  Because only if it does well will he turn around and take the profits from that movie
[10:01.840 --> 10:06.400]  And do something revealing the truth about the income tax
[10:06.400 --> 10:08.240]  And Eddie said a moment ago
[10:08.240 --> 10:10.240]  He mentioned America freedom to fascism
[10:10.240 --> 10:18.640]  And what freedom to fascism did was create a serious doubt
[10:18.640 --> 10:22.640]  That the government's narrative about income tax is true
[10:22.640 --> 10:27.760]  What it did not do was tell you who the income tax applies to and who it does not
[10:27.760 --> 10:30.080]  It just took the government's narrative
[10:30.080 --> 10:33.120]  And started knocking the foundations out piece by piece by piece
[10:33.120 --> 10:36.480]  Until no rational person could believe it any longer
[10:36.480 --> 10:39.920]  What we're talking about doing in this potential upcoming movie
[10:39.920 --> 10:45.520]  Is to actually explain to 320 million Americans
[10:45.520 --> 10:49.440]  That probably 98% of you have never owed the tax
[10:49.440 --> 10:50.560]  And we're going to prove it
[10:52.560 --> 10:55.040]  And that's what we really need to get into now
[10:55.040 --> 10:57.840]  We're basically going to take all those support beams
[10:57.840 --> 11:00.480]  That was knocked out by freedom to fascism
[11:00.480 --> 11:03.760]  And we're going to set the damn things on fire with kerosene
[11:03.760 --> 11:04.640]  There you go
[11:04.640 --> 11:06.560]  All right, so that's the goal here
[11:06.560 --> 11:09.440]  Now folks, we are going to be taking calls on this show
[11:09.440 --> 11:11.440]  But we're going to do it after this first segment
[11:11.440 --> 11:14.800]  I just want to get Dave's feet wet in the water here for everything
[11:14.800 --> 11:16.960]  And then we're going to take callers on whatever subjects
[11:16.960 --> 11:18.000]  I want to call in about
[11:18.800 --> 11:21.040]  Now because he's on the show with us tonight
[11:21.040 --> 11:24.800]  Do not make him feel isolated by dealing strictly with the issues
[11:24.800 --> 11:26.080]  We normally do on traffic
[11:26.080 --> 11:28.160]  Let's cover this a little bit broader tonight
[11:28.160 --> 11:29.600]  Get in here with Dave
[11:29.600 --> 11:31.920]  Make him work for this and enjoy it at the same time
[11:31.920 --> 11:33.600]  Because Dave loves to share
[11:33.600 --> 11:35.440]  That much I found out about him
[11:35.440 --> 11:38.080]  He loves to share the knowledge that he has
[11:38.080 --> 11:41.360]  Especially to someone that really wants to know it
[11:41.360 --> 11:45.040]  So show him how you do me that this is something
[11:45.040 --> 11:48.560]  That the listeners of this show really want to know
[11:48.560 --> 11:51.360]  So when I open up the phone lines on the next segment
[11:51.360 --> 11:52.480]  Let's get that rolling
[11:52.480 --> 11:53.680]  I'm going to turn them on
[11:53.680 --> 11:55.600]  But I'm not going to start taking calls
[11:55.600 --> 11:57.840]  That way you can start getting in line
[11:57.840 --> 11:59.680]  And then after our first break
[11:59.680 --> 12:01.040]  We'll start getting in busy
[12:01.040 --> 12:03.120]  And see how the callers want to deal with this
[12:03.120 --> 12:05.360]  I might have made your job a little harder
[12:05.360 --> 12:08.480]  Because on the post about 40 minutes ago
[12:08.480 --> 12:10.160]  I said if you want to talk to me about
[12:10.160 --> 12:12.720]  Constitutional principle, political doctrines
[12:12.720 --> 12:14.480]  Pragmatic politics
[12:14.480 --> 12:17.520]  And I said do you want to ask me a question about punk rock?
[12:17.520 --> 12:18.880]  Call in
[12:18.880 --> 12:22.160]  Actually I cover a lot of that except for the punk rock
[12:22.160 --> 12:24.880]  Now Dave and I, see I dialed a lot of stuff
[12:24.880 --> 12:27.200]  But I'm not sure that's going to be one of them
[12:27.200 --> 12:30.480]  But you know we can work around those limitations
[12:30.480 --> 12:31.920]  That's right, we're professionals
[12:31.920 --> 12:32.560]  Yep
[12:32.560 --> 12:35.200]  All right now for those of you that may be listening new
[12:35.200 --> 12:36.480]  If you want to get in line
[12:36.480 --> 12:40.080]  The call in number is 512-644-512-5124
[12:40.080 --> 12:42.000]  61984
[12:42.000 --> 12:43.760]  The phones are on
[12:43.760 --> 12:47.680]  However we have a very limited number of caller slots
[12:47.680 --> 12:50.400]  We can't pay for a huge number of these
[12:50.400 --> 12:53.440]  There's only four or five slots available for anybody at one time
[12:53.440 --> 12:55.760]  So if you're not able to get in
[12:55.760 --> 12:57.360]  It's not because something's wrong
[12:57.360 --> 12:59.760]  It's just because we don't have an empty slot
[12:59.760 --> 13:02.720]  Keep trying and as we get callers off
[13:02.720 --> 13:04.880]  They'll cycle through and you're able to get back in
[13:04.880 --> 13:07.360]  So please just be diligent about that
[13:07.360 --> 13:08.160]  And you should be okay
[13:08.160 --> 13:14.480]  Okay now Dave let's talk a little bit about Grand Scam the movie
[13:14.480 --> 13:17.520]  And what our parts were in this
[13:17.520 --> 13:21.440]  And what we hoped to achieve by being in this movie
[13:21.440 --> 13:22.880]  And I would like to start with you
[13:23.520 --> 13:26.720]  Let me start by saying thank you to you Eddie
[13:26.720 --> 13:28.640]  And publicly acknowledging you
[13:28.640 --> 13:32.000]  Because I wouldn't appear in the movie if it wasn't for Eddie
[13:32.000 --> 13:34.960]  Eddie had the relationship with the executive producer
[13:34.960 --> 13:38.080]  And at some point they were talking about the income tax
[13:38.080 --> 13:39.920]  And Eddie owns my book in his reddit
[13:40.560 --> 13:43.040]  And he said to the executive producer
[13:43.040 --> 13:46.400]  Hang on if you want to talk about the income tax
[13:46.400 --> 13:50.080]  There's one guy in the whole country that you need to have in your documentary
[13:50.080 --> 13:51.760]  So I'm in it because of Eddie
[13:51.760 --> 13:54.480]  And I want to publicly acknowledge you for that and say thank you
[13:54.480 --> 13:55.360]  Well no problem
[13:55.360 --> 13:59.760]  I could not think of a better resource for him to come to for that information
[14:00.720 --> 14:03.440]  Most of the people around that listen on this show
[14:03.440 --> 14:05.920]  They come to me for anything dealing with traffic
[14:05.920 --> 14:10.080]  Criminal due process, even felony cases I've helped beat
[14:11.120 --> 14:16.480]  Simply because I spend most of my time during the day studying criminal procedure, case law
[14:17.040 --> 14:19.440]  Just like you did to get your knowledge of the income tax
[14:19.440 --> 14:23.360]  I have had to delve into these areas where I never expected to go
[14:23.360 --> 14:24.240]  But here I am
[14:26.240 --> 14:27.440]  Makes us do that huh?
[14:27.440 --> 14:28.400]  Yeah exactly
[14:28.400 --> 14:31.680]  It certainly isn't sanity but it's there nonetheless
[14:31.680 --> 14:34.720]  I think you and I have one of the same mindsets Dave
[14:34.720 --> 14:35.760]  If not us, who?
[14:36.480 --> 14:37.280]  Oh exactly
[14:37.280 --> 14:40.800]  We can't yeah we cannot expect someone else to do something
[14:40.800 --> 14:46.080]  We are not willing to put ourselves directly in the middle of and prove it can be done
[14:47.120 --> 14:50.160]  So true off topic from the income tax
[14:50.160 --> 14:52.800]  I'm going to be running for sheriff out here in Knight County, Nevada
[14:53.520 --> 14:54.800]  When the next election comes up
[14:54.800 --> 14:57.920]  And it's exactly for the reason you stated
[14:57.920 --> 15:00.000]  There's so much corruption going on out here
[15:00.000 --> 15:01.840]  There's so much corruption going on out here
[15:01.840 --> 15:03.680]  And the sheriff is not only corrupt but inept
[15:04.320 --> 15:06.240]  Has no clue how to run an agency
[15:06.240 --> 15:09.200]  And you know how that then the consequences of that
[15:09.200 --> 15:12.080]  Really fall upon the citizenry on a number of different levels
[15:13.120 --> 15:16.640]  But with that same theory I'm not looking to ever work in government again
[15:17.280 --> 15:19.360]  But if not me, who?
[15:21.840 --> 15:22.340]  Exactly
[15:22.880 --> 15:25.040]  And that was the whole thing that I saw about this
[15:25.040 --> 15:28.480]  When I was asking people questions I soon come to realize
[15:28.480 --> 15:30.640]  Just like when I first started programming computers
[15:31.200 --> 15:33.040]  No one around me knew anything
[15:33.040 --> 15:34.320]  Who was I going to ask?
[15:34.320 --> 15:35.680]  Who could I ask?
[15:35.680 --> 15:40.240]  The only people that were supposed to have the knowledge were keeping it completely to themselves
[15:40.240 --> 15:41.920]  They wouldn't talk to you about it
[15:41.920 --> 15:44.080]  You go to the sheriff and try to file a complaint
[15:44.080 --> 15:46.240]  Or the police department try to file a complaint
[15:46.240 --> 15:49.840]  You hit a stone wall because they I'm not going to help you get any information
[15:49.840 --> 15:52.320]  That you can use against my officers in court
[15:52.320 --> 15:54.320]  That's the attitude you run up against
[15:54.320 --> 15:55.760]  So much for public servants
[15:55.760 --> 16:00.320]  That's when you come to realize it is truly you against the system
[16:00.320 --> 16:02.160]  And it's a rigged game
[16:02.800 --> 16:03.300]  Yep
[16:04.000 --> 16:05.840]  And that's no less true about the income tax
[16:05.840 --> 16:10.480]  Yes, and so what you got to do now is figure out what the rules are they're supposed to play by
[16:10.480 --> 16:14.400]  And I have spent the last decade and a half doing that
[16:15.280 --> 16:19.280]  There is no attorney in this entire state of Texas
[16:19.280 --> 16:24.080]  That can tell you more about the code of criminal procedure and the traffic laws of this state
[16:24.080 --> 16:24.880]  Than me
[16:24.880 --> 16:28.160]  And I've proven that in arguments with them time and time again
[16:28.160 --> 16:30.480]  And that's not bragging, that's just a fact
[16:31.200 --> 16:38.480]  Absolutely, now when one of the great things about grand scam is we talked about just now
[16:38.480 --> 16:41.200]  How the government has these rigged games
[16:41.200 --> 16:42.800]  They don't want you to know the truth
[16:42.800 --> 16:48.320]  They stonewall every single attempt for the average ordinary citizen to learn the truth
[16:48.320 --> 16:49.760]  Dave, let me interrupt, I'm sorry
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[20:14.240 --> 20:20.240]  This is Rule of Law Radio, the call in number 512-646-1984
[20:20.240 --> 20:25.680]  We are going to start taking your calls now for myself or for my guest, Mr. Dave Champion
[20:25.680 --> 20:28.960]  Right now, we're going to go to Andrew in Pennsylvania
[20:28.960 --> 20:32.480]  Andrew, what do you got for our guest?
[20:32.480 --> 20:34.400]  Dave, I just finished reading your book
[20:34.400 --> 20:37.600]  And I gave it to my boss that what was my
[20:37.600 --> 20:39.360]  Still is my parents' family-run business
[20:39.360 --> 20:41.840]  But my father just retired from that
[20:41.840 --> 20:44.240]  Handed over the work to some old lady
[20:44.240 --> 20:46.480]  And I gave her your book after reading it
[20:46.480 --> 20:52.400]  And I said this book may hold the key to free this business from the clutches of the IRS
[20:52.400 --> 20:55.760]  And just watching this on the front of the sink
[20:55.760 --> 21:00.640]  Of all the people running their own business out there who want to do the same thing
[21:00.640 --> 21:02.080]  Do you have any advice for people?
[21:02.800 --> 21:05.200]  What would I need to do to free my business?
[21:05.200 --> 21:07.040]  Thank you, all the employees in my business
[21:07.040 --> 21:09.920]  Free from the clutches of the IRS
[21:09.920 --> 21:13.040]  What paperwork would I have to file, tear, shred up, and all the rest of it?
[21:13.840 --> 21:14.800]  All right, Andrew, thank you
[21:15.440 --> 21:18.000]  First of all, I want to let you know that sitting here on my end
[21:18.000 --> 21:19.920]  When I heard you said you handed the book to your boss
[21:19.920 --> 21:21.360]  There was a big smile on my face
[21:21.360 --> 21:26.320]  Now, I am barred by the federal courts from giving advice to individuals
[21:26.320 --> 21:29.600]  So, Andrew, I can't specifically talk to your situation
[21:30.480 --> 21:34.480]  But freedom of speech does permit me to address these things in a generic manner
[21:34.480 --> 21:36.800]  Anybody who's out there running a business
[21:36.800 --> 21:43.440]  And one of the big problems is that a company will go along, say, for 20 or 30 years
[21:43.440 --> 21:46.480]  And they're filing tax returns and filing tax returns and filing tax returns
[21:46.480 --> 21:50.480]  They're giving out their taxpayer identification number across the board
[21:50.480 --> 21:53.600]  To everybody and anyone who asks, because they don't know better
[21:53.600 --> 22:00.560]  And then suddenly, somebody like Andrew becomes informed and says, wait, hang on
[22:00.560 --> 22:02.560]  This has all been wrong
[22:02.560 --> 22:05.760]  We didn't understand what the law really said
[22:05.760 --> 22:07.760]  Now we do
[22:07.760 --> 22:12.080]  So now, how do we unravel the situation?
[22:12.080 --> 22:14.960]  Well, the sad part about it is with your current
[22:14.960 --> 22:18.480]  Most companies these days, of course, the corporations, LLCs, things like that
[22:18.480 --> 22:24.480]  You can't actually take an enterprise that's been in the system for all that time
[22:24.480 --> 22:27.040]  Filing tax returns and just stop
[22:27.040 --> 22:33.760]  That is an absolutely sure way to bring the unjust actions of the IRS to your doorstep
[22:33.760 --> 22:39.120]  So what I typically tell people is to liquidate the firm that they've had
[22:39.120 --> 22:43.440]  That has been engaged in that sort of wrongful conduct, unknowingly wrongful
[22:43.440 --> 22:49.920]  And then create a new enterprise and then that enterprise from that day forward
[22:49.920 --> 22:51.920]  Always follows the law
[22:51.920 --> 22:53.920]  Now that doesn't mean you can't keep the same name
[22:53.920 --> 22:57.440]  Let's say your company is XYZ Manufacturing Company
[22:57.440 --> 23:03.440]  You can certainly open another corporation and have the corporation just take out a DBA, XYZ Manufacturing
[23:03.440 --> 23:11.440]  But that new corporation, absent being involved in any of the activities for which Congress has made
[23:11.440 --> 23:17.440]  A business libel or imposed a tax, other than that, should never give out a tax number
[23:17.440 --> 23:21.440]  And should never file tax returns
[23:21.440 --> 23:27.440]  Thank you. I also wanted to ask you, I know the answer to this question is obviously no
[23:27.440 --> 23:29.440]  But I really want to know why it's no
[23:29.440 --> 23:35.440]  Why is it useless in practice to file a lien against the IRS for all the money they've stolen from us?
[23:35.440 --> 23:43.440]  It's useless because the government does not acknowledge that they stole anything
[23:43.440 --> 23:49.440]  And they are not going to allow a lien to be used to, from their point of view, harm them
[23:49.440 --> 23:53.440]  And there's a really important thing that people need to understand
[23:53.440 --> 23:59.440]  And I tell people all the time, never seek a refund
[23:59.440 --> 24:09.440]  And the reason for that is, the way the courts have looked at this is that if you file a tax return and paid the money over
[24:09.440 --> 24:21.440]  Even by mistake, even though we could make a very strong case for the fact that the government has knowingly, willfully, and intentionally bamboozled 320 million Americans
[24:21.440 --> 24:25.440]  Even though we could make a very credible case for that, the way the courts have come down on this
[24:25.440 --> 24:32.440]  If you don't know the law, and you file a tax return, and you pay a tax, that's a closed chapter
[24:32.440 --> 24:40.440]  If you try and then go back and claim, hey, wait, Congress never imposed the tax on me or made me liable for it
[24:40.440 --> 24:45.440]  The courts say, sorry, you filed, you paid, closed chapter
[24:45.440 --> 24:48.440]  Now, is that moral and correct? Of course not
[24:48.440 --> 24:50.440]  But the government is not moral and correct
[24:50.440 --> 24:58.440]  And when people go back and try and get a refund or use a lien, I told clients for all the 15 years I assisted non-taxpayers
[24:58.440 --> 25:00.440]  I told them, never, ever do that
[25:00.440 --> 25:04.440]  You will regret it. The government punishes people who do that
[25:04.440 --> 25:11.440]  Now, just on the same note of what Andrew was talking about there, Dave, as far as the business side of it goes
[25:11.440 --> 25:19.440]  What is your recommendation when it comes to individuals in that situation that they've been gullibly paying this for all these years
[25:19.440 --> 25:24.440]  And then suddenly come to realize they never owed it? What's their recourse?
[25:24.440 --> 25:32.440]  Are you talking about an individual who is in business or just say somebody who just works for the company down the road?
[25:32.440 --> 25:42.440]  Someone who works down the road, someone who's filing taxes as just an individual who works for someone else, just a personal income tax
[25:42.440 --> 25:47.440]  I have to answer this a bit theoretically because people haven't read the book
[25:47.440 --> 25:58.440]  The 98% of the people listening to this show who have not read the book, I have to give an answer that may sound a little odd because they don't have the background to get it
[25:58.440 --> 26:09.440]  What they have to do is they have to talk to their employer and have that company stop filing tax forms on them
[26:09.440 --> 26:13.440]  I know some people are guffawing at that right now, they're like, oh really? Come on
[26:13.440 --> 26:20.440]  But what Andrew did by giving the book to his boss is a tremendous first step, especially if they're willing to read it
[26:20.440 --> 26:32.440]  When clients of mine have done this, they've given the book or given other forms of documentation that Express was in the book to the companies they work for
[26:32.440 --> 26:40.440]  And back when I provided services to non-tax payers, I would follow that up by having conference calls with my client and with whoever they were talking to
[26:40.440 --> 26:43.440]  Whether it be a company or a bank or something like that
[26:43.440 --> 27:03.440]  And I can tell you that in every single case over a 15 year period, bar none, the person on the other end of the phone didn't have any relevant responses to what the law actually says
[27:03.440 --> 27:09.440]  They do one of two things, either they say, I didn't know that, let me research this, I'll get back to you
[27:09.440 --> 27:18.440]  Or they say, I don't care what the law says, we're going to continue to do X even though that's not what the law says
[27:18.440 --> 27:25.440]  And one of the things we need to do in this country, and hopefully if the movie comes out and enough Americans understand this
[27:25.440 --> 27:31.440]  We need to actually get people like the ACLU, I know people have a love-hate relationship with them in some cases
[27:31.440 --> 27:42.440]  But we need to get somebody like the ACLU to bring a lawsuit against these companies for them breaking the law
[27:42.440 --> 27:50.440]  Yeah and I've considered actually going after a company I used to work for, I used to work for Pennzoil Quaker State
[27:50.440 --> 27:57.440]  I was their chief programming lead, I wrote all the software that runs every jiffy lube in the world
[27:57.440 --> 28:07.440]  And they were trying to withhold income taxes from my check when I went from being a consultant with them to a full-timer with them
[28:07.440 --> 28:12.440]  And when they refused to stop withholding, I said, then switch me back to a contractor status
[28:12.440 --> 28:16.440]  I don't care if the contract runs out but I'm not going to work for you if you're going to steal from my paycheck
[28:16.440 --> 28:25.440]  And I went round and round with their HR department over this, and finally they put me back into a contractor status and refunded all of my money
[28:25.440 --> 28:27.440]  Ah, beautiful
[28:27.440 --> 28:31.440]  But at that point it was kind of like, look dude, no no no no
[28:31.440 --> 28:36.440]  And the thing is, Pennzoil Quaker State is owned by a bunch of attorneys
[28:36.440 --> 28:39.440]  And they're the ones I was arguing with
[28:39.440 --> 28:44.440]  Oh, if we have the chance later, we have the time later in the show
[28:44.440 --> 28:49.440]  I'll tell you some stories about some conversation with some attorneys that will blow your audience's mind
[28:49.440 --> 28:53.440]  Well alright, Andrew did you have anything else for Dave?
[28:53.440 --> 28:59.440]  Yeah, this is being asked on behalf of all the people who decide not to pay their taxes and the IRS goes after them
[28:59.440 --> 29:01.440]  At trial, what do you do?
[29:01.440 --> 29:06.440]  Well, there's basically a couple of options the way I see this from reading your book
[29:06.440 --> 29:12.440]  I would understand, like, you would object to the words that have, that are legal terms
[29:12.440 --> 29:20.440]  Like just how any subset objecting to certain words if I try to take it, there are certain words like person, employer and such that you would object to
[29:20.440 --> 29:26.440]  But there's also another strategy, I use the law that never was strategy
[29:26.440 --> 29:29.440]  There's the book that you briefly mentioned in your book called The Law That Never Was
[29:29.440 --> 29:32.440]  It talks about how the 16th Amendment was never legally ratified
[29:32.440 --> 29:39.440]  And the IRS always uses the 16th Amendment as justification for what they do even though it's not just an occasion
[29:39.440 --> 29:46.440]  So does it make more sense to use the objective attorney method or argue the 16th Amendment is not a valid method
[29:46.440 --> 29:50.440]  If you find yourself in a position in the courtroom where you've got to fight it
[29:50.440 --> 29:53.440]  Alright, well hang on and we'll address that answer on the other side
[29:53.440 --> 29:55.440]  We'll be right back, folks, after this break
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[33:14.440 --> 33:16.440]  Yeah, I got that warrant
[33:16.440 --> 33:19.440]  And I'm gonna solve them
[33:19.440 --> 33:22.440]  To the end of government them
[33:22.440 --> 33:24.440]  Prosecute them
[33:24.440 --> 33:26.440]  Okay
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[33:31.440 --> 33:34.440]  With your host, Eddie Craig, and my special guest, Dave Champion
[33:34.440 --> 33:36.440]  All right, one more thing, folks
[33:36.440 --> 33:39.440]  On your calls, please try to limit yourself to two questions
[33:39.440 --> 33:42.440]  So we can get as many calls through the show tonight as possible
[33:42.440 --> 33:44.440]  And they all get their chance to talk to Dave
[33:44.440 --> 33:46.440]  About whatever issue they may have
[33:46.440 --> 33:48.440]  All right, folks, we are back
[33:48.440 --> 33:50.440]  This is the Rule of Law Radio Show
[33:50.440 --> 33:52.440]  With your host, Eddie Craig
[33:52.440 --> 33:54.440]  And my special guest, Dave Champion
[33:54.440 --> 33:56.440]  All right, on your calls, please try to limit yourselves to two questions
[33:56.440 --> 33:59.440]  So they all get their chance to talk to Dave
[33:59.440 --> 34:01.440]  About whatever issue they may have
[34:01.440 --> 34:02.440]  Or information they want to know
[34:02.440 --> 34:05.440]  So we can keep this going for everybody
[34:05.440 --> 34:07.440]  All right, Andrew, what's the last thing you got going here?
[34:07.440 --> 34:09.440]  All right, we need to answer the question you asked
[34:09.440 --> 34:10.440]  So, Dave
[34:09.440 --> 34:10.440]  Yeah
[34:10.440 --> 34:13.440]  A couple of things about the 16th Amendment
[34:13.440 --> 34:15.440]  I wouldn't use that in court for two reasons
[34:15.440 --> 34:19.440]  Number one, the federal courts have held that the determination
[34:19.440 --> 34:22.440]  As to whether something was properly ratified
[34:22.440 --> 34:28.080]  point in history is that the 16th Amendment was properly ratified. The mechanics of it
[34:28.080 --> 34:34.240]  notwithstanding, whether it actually was ratified is irrelevant to whether it is considered
[34:34.240 --> 34:40.320]  ratified. And in law, in this country at this time, it is considered ratified. So that argument
[34:40.320 --> 34:45.320]  is going to fail in court. Secondly, the 16th Amendment didn't do anything. So to raise
[34:45.320 --> 34:50.080]  the issue of the 16th Amendment doesn't alter what the government is claiming. Now, when
[34:50.080 --> 34:55.240]  you spoke about would you make the argument about the various terms clarifying their meaning,
[34:55.240 --> 34:59.600]  I would. But only within the context, there was only one way to respond to the government
[34:59.600 --> 35:08.000]  when they come at you and say that you owe taxes. It is to put them on notice that they
[35:08.000 --> 35:14.600]  have not and are unable to show that you are within a class of person that Congress has
[35:14.600 --> 35:20.960]  imposed a tax upon or otherwise made liable. So when you get into terms such as taxpayer
[35:20.960 --> 35:30.300]  and gross income and U.S. person, you're not arguing those points to win a debate on definitions.
[35:30.300 --> 35:35.440]  You would only argue those points, which are, I don't want to say trivial because they're
[35:35.440 --> 35:41.400]  not, but they're not really the important part. The important part is they are stepping
[35:41.400 --> 35:46.640]  stones to get to the conclusion, which is to get it to the point where the government
[35:46.640 --> 35:52.280]  is pulling their hair out and has to surrender that, yes, when the proper definitions are
[35:52.280 --> 35:58.600]  applied and the proper regulations and statutes are brought forth, they cannot show that you
[35:58.600 --> 36:03.020]  are within a class of person made liable or the taxes imposed upon.
[36:03.020 --> 36:07.080]  It's going to kind of work like what I tell you with the transportation versus not in
[36:07.080 --> 36:15.560]  transportation. In this case, it's taxable and we're going not taxable. You get it?
[36:15.560 --> 36:16.560]  Yeah.
[36:16.560 --> 36:21.480]  Okay. All right. Thanks for calling in, Andrew. I am going to take the next caller in line
[36:21.480 --> 36:22.480]  here. All right?
[36:22.480 --> 36:23.480]  Okay.
[36:23.480 --> 36:25.240]  All right. Have a good one.
[36:25.240 --> 36:26.240]  Thanks, Andrew.
[36:26.240 --> 36:30.440]  All right. Now we're going to go to Emmett in Pennsylvania. Emmett, what do we got for
[36:30.440 --> 36:31.440]  you?
[36:31.440 --> 36:38.280]  Hey, Eddie and Dave. I just want to thank you guys for all your hard work there and
[36:38.280 --> 36:44.680]  you really helped me out. A couple of times I went right in front of a judge, a judge
[36:44.680 --> 36:51.440]  of equity, and I was able to beat them black and blue with their own law and try to save
[36:51.440 --> 36:55.440]  myself from going to debtor's prisons. I want to thank you very much. I want to let you
[36:55.440 --> 36:59.340]  know that there's some young guys out here really fighting for the freedom. A lot of
[36:59.340 --> 37:04.240]  our local bureaucrats here are really abusing their powers and not upholding their oath
[37:04.240 --> 37:08.120]  under Title VI, Section III of the Constitution that they swore to uphold, and it's really
[37:08.120 --> 37:09.120]  sad.
[37:09.120 --> 37:13.360]  If you can find one that is upholding his oath, I'll give him a gold medal myself.
[37:13.360 --> 37:21.240]  Yeah, that's right. That's right. They're very seldom to find, but I have three. It's
[37:21.240 --> 37:24.920]  nice to know that I had some friends. I had some really close friends who were involved
[37:24.920 --> 37:30.600]  in the Kids for Cash scandal, and they got over 48 people fired there in Luzerne County,
[37:30.600 --> 37:37.040]  and they really inspired me too. I'm going to keep it real short with you guys. I started
[37:37.040 --> 37:43.200]  getting into our two-dimensional contract, our bond, our birth certificate, our certificate
[37:43.200 --> 37:53.120]  of manifest, and I started understanding that our birth certificate is a bond. It has a
[37:53.120 --> 38:04.040]  number attached to it. We were posed as collateral back in 1934 after FDR. We declared bankruptcy,
[38:04.040 --> 38:09.040]  and the national debt was then collateralized on all the people, and after the 14th Amendment
[38:09.040 --> 38:14.640]  explained what a citizen was, a citizen being a member of the United States of America as
[38:14.640 --> 38:22.040]  a corporation, following under that corporate law uniform commercial code.
[38:22.040 --> 38:28.840]  Now, I will not try to see if you guys understand that at all. I know that the contract law
[38:28.840 --> 38:32.800]  and the contract world is a big, big world out there, and I don't want to make any mistakes,
[38:32.800 --> 38:40.600]  so my question to you would be is, how do I claim my interest on my straw man, my two-dimensional
[38:40.600 --> 38:42.800]  addiction that they use in the courts?
[38:42.800 --> 38:47.480]  Amos, have you been listening to this show for how long?
[38:47.480 --> 38:49.680]  For just a few weeks now.
[38:49.680 --> 38:53.520]  Just a few weeks. All right, then obviously you've missed a few episodes, because here's
[38:53.520 --> 39:02.000]  the thing. Everything you're talking about, I have yet to find a single substantiated
[39:02.000 --> 39:08.960]  bit of proof to support. Now, yes, they put your birth certificate on numbered paper.
[39:08.960 --> 39:16.320]  No question, they do that. What evidence do you have that that paper is an actual, tradable,
[39:16.320 --> 39:22.440]  negotiable instrument in the form of a bond? What actual substantive proof do you have
[39:22.440 --> 39:30.400]  of that? Where have you looked up any market that shows that birth certificate as being
[39:30.400 --> 39:33.800]  traded as a negotiable instrument?
[39:33.800 --> 39:40.520]  Well, I haven't found it to be traded. I just know that it's linked to a stock, and the
[39:40.520 --> 39:41.520]  stock...
[39:41.520 --> 39:47.440]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How did you find it was linked to a stock?
[39:47.440 --> 39:52.880]  So I looked up the numbers on this account, Fidelity, looked up the numbers, and it's
[39:52.880 --> 39:58.040]  attached to the stock market. I was able to go step by step.
[39:58.040 --> 40:04.320]  So you found evidence on the stock market that your specific birth certificate under
[40:04.320 --> 40:09.360]  your name is being traded as a commodity?
[40:09.360 --> 40:13.200]  I think it's a classification of...
[40:13.200 --> 40:15.840]  Which means exactly what?
[40:15.840 --> 40:17.280]  Which means exactly what?
[40:17.280 --> 40:23.400]  Oh, I don't know. I just wanted to ask you guys, because you guys know a lot about law,
[40:23.400 --> 40:27.800]  and I just want to make sure that there is such thing as a contract law and...
[40:27.800 --> 40:29.600]  Eddie, can I share a...
[40:29.600 --> 40:32.360]  Be my guest, Dave.
[40:32.360 --> 40:37.560]  Most people who have been in what's euphemistically called the patriot movement, they've heard
[40:37.560 --> 40:46.600]  the story that when a car ships from the manufacturer, the certificate of origin goes with the car,
[40:46.600 --> 40:53.080]  it arrives at the dealer, the dealer surrenders the certificate of origin over to the DMV,
[40:53.080 --> 40:59.720]  and the DMV inputs it into their computer and then shreds them. Thus, the DMV actually
[40:59.720 --> 41:05.160]  owns your car, and the whole thing is a scam, and you never really own your car.
[41:05.160 --> 41:07.960]  Eddie, I'm sure you've heard this on your show.
[41:07.960 --> 41:10.880]  Yeah, actually, I talked about it just the other day.
[41:10.880 --> 41:15.840]  So time goes on. I hear this. I'm not pursuing it. It wasn't anything that I was particularly
[41:15.840 --> 41:20.840]  interested in, but then I ended up having a relationship, a friendship with a person
[41:20.840 --> 41:28.600]  who was a manager, an F&I manager at a very large car dealership in Southern California.
[41:28.600 --> 41:33.920]  So I started asking these questions, and she said, oh, so they're sent to the DMV where
[41:33.920 --> 41:36.400]  they're input into the computer, and then they're shredded, blah, blah, blah. I said,
[41:36.400 --> 41:39.480]  that's the story. She said, OK, come with me.
[41:39.480 --> 41:45.000]  And we walked back to this gigantic store room in the dealership, and there's all these
[41:45.000 --> 41:51.440]  Manila folders, I mean, tens of thousands of them. And she pulls one of them out, and
[41:51.440 --> 41:56.020]  she says, here's the manufacturer's certificate of origin. It pulls out another one, and here
[41:56.020 --> 42:01.120]  it is, and another one, here it is, and another one. And she says, the story that you're telling
[42:01.120 --> 42:06.280]  me that you've heard, this is absurd. The manufacturer's certificate of origin only
[42:06.280 --> 42:11.960]  validates that we, the dealership, have a legal right to possess the piece of hardware
[42:11.960 --> 42:17.080]  that is shipped to us from, we'll just use Michigan as the old-style example. And we have
[42:17.080 --> 42:21.880]  a legal right to have it on our lot and to sell it because Chevrolet or Ford or whoever
[42:21.880 --> 42:25.880]  has given us that authority via the manufacturer's certificate of origin.
[42:25.880 --> 42:30.760]  She said, it doesn't go to the DMV, and they don't shred it, and we keep it for years and
[42:30.760 --> 42:36.200]  years and years and years and years in case down the road a DMV investigator challenges
[42:36.200 --> 42:41.400]  our right to possess the vehicle and sold it. So I share this story to say a lot of
[42:41.400 --> 42:49.720]  these Patriot movement ideas, once you actually look at what's really happening, and we'll
[42:49.720 --> 42:54.640]  go with Emmett's point about commerce, it's what's happening really in commerce is not
[42:54.640 --> 43:02.000]  at all what the Patriot community has fooled themselves into believing.
[43:02.000 --> 43:06.560]  This goes into what I was saying the other day and what the certificate of title to the
[43:06.560 --> 43:11.880]  car actually is when it's issued by the Department of Public Safety. The certificate of title
[43:11.880 --> 43:18.480]  is itself a negotiable instrument. It's listed in the Texas Business and Commerce Code as
[43:18.480 --> 43:24.760]  a negotiable instrument. The purpose of that instrument is to be able to transfer ownership
[43:24.760 --> 43:30.680]  or at least legal ownership of that automobile as property from one person to another. You
[43:30.680 --> 43:34.280]  do that simply by endorsing the back of the certificate of title.
[43:34.280 --> 43:38.240]  Hang on just a minute, we're going to take another break and I'll finish this on the
[43:38.240 --> 43:42.880]  other side when we get back. So Emmett, hold on and we'll wrap that particular question
[43:42.880 --> 43:45.880]  up when we get back. All right, folks, this is the Monday Night
[43:45.880 --> 43:49.800]  Rule of Law Radio Show with your host Eddie Craig and my special guest Dave Champion.
[43:49.800 --> 43:52.800]  Y'all hang in there and we'll be right back after this break.
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[46:14.800 --> 46:28.800]  All right, folks, we are back. This is Rule of Law Radio and we are talking to Emmett
[46:28.800 --> 46:32.800]  in Pennsylvania and right now we are talking about the certificate of titles and stuff
[46:32.800 --> 46:36.800]  for cars. We've got out the birth certificate. We'll get back to that in a minute.
[46:36.800 --> 46:42.800]  Now, here in Texas, they make duplicates of all that paperwork including the MSO and they
[46:42.800 --> 46:48.800]  send it in to the DMV once the car is actually sold. The difference there in Texas is what
[46:48.800 --> 46:54.800]  the legal definition of a first sale is as to what that paperwork is supposed to do.
[46:54.800 --> 47:00.800]  The dealership actually gets a power of attorney signed by you in one of the paper forms that
[47:00.800 --> 47:05.800]  they have and are required to submit to the state. The MSO originally is maintained by
[47:05.800 --> 47:10.800]  them for the inventory tax purposes as well as the reason Dave is talking about.
[47:10.800 --> 47:15.800]  Here in Texas, they have to have that to show when they're getting charged the inventory
[47:15.800 --> 47:21.800]  tax for actually having the car on the lot and in the possession of the dealership.
[47:21.800 --> 47:26.800]  The inventory tax only carries through until the time that car is transferred out of the
[47:26.800 --> 47:32.800]  possession and ownership of the dealership to an actual buyer. The difference is whether
[47:32.800 --> 47:38.800]  or not the buyer is actually someone that is causing the car to go through a first sale.
[47:38.800 --> 47:43.800]  Now, that paperwork is sent to the DMV and all gets microfished and in order to avoid
[47:43.800 --> 47:49.800]  having to store files, they do shred and burn all that paperwork after it's been microfished.
[47:49.800 --> 47:54.800]  I've had the DPS and the DMV both tell me that. That part does happen.
[47:54.800 --> 48:00.800]  But from that point on, everything about the car, they attempt to do with that negotiable
[48:00.800 --> 48:05.800]  instrument in the form of the certificate of title. And every time that car changes
[48:05.800 --> 48:09.800]  hands, it's endorsed on that certificate of title.
[48:09.800 --> 48:15.800]  The certificate of title, according to the Business and Commerce Code, is a representation
[48:15.800 --> 48:20.800]  of an outstanding possessory lien against the property.
[48:20.800 --> 48:26.800]  It gives you legal ownership, but not equity ownership. Legal ownership being the right
[48:26.800 --> 48:34.800]  of possession and use, but not to disposition. You cannot destroy, transfer, sell, or
[48:34.800 --> 48:40.800]  otherwise dispose of the property outside of that who is the actual equity owner, which
[48:40.800 --> 48:45.800]  in this case would be the leasing company or the dealership if they're leasing it to you,
[48:45.800 --> 48:49.800]  or the bank if you've got a loan on the car.
[48:49.800 --> 48:54.800]  So even though some of those things exist, let's get back to the idea of the birth certificate
[48:54.800 --> 48:58.800]  basically working the same way. Here's what I'm going to tell you.
[48:58.800 --> 49:04.800]  You are assuming that you've got the information that shows that it's being traded on some
[49:04.800 --> 49:07.800]  bundled stock, right?
[49:07.800 --> 49:08.800]  Right.
[49:08.800 --> 49:13.800]  Well, what is your definitive proof that the number you put in links back to that birth
[49:13.800 --> 49:20.800]  certificate and not to some other form in somebody else's possession?
[49:20.800 --> 49:25.800]  Well, I guess I should elaborate a little bit. It's not in anybody's possession. It's
[49:25.800 --> 49:26.800]  unclaimed property.
[49:26.800 --> 49:31.800]  Wait a minute. Where does it tell you it's unclaimed property?
[49:31.800 --> 49:36.800]  Well, if you guys understand Uniform Commercial Code, if you...
[49:36.800 --> 49:40.800]  You're not answering my question. I know what's in the commercial code as far as all this
[49:40.800 --> 49:45.800]  goes. What I'm asking you is where did you get the factual evidence to support that it
[49:45.800 --> 49:51.800]  is unclaimed property?
[49:51.800 --> 49:54.800]  Just reading articles and research and other things.
[49:54.800 --> 49:59.800]  No, no, no. What you've been reading is patronet articles. You haven't been reading legitimate
[49:59.800 --> 50:04.800]  law and legitimate business transaction methodologies.
[50:04.800 --> 50:14.800]  The Uniform Commercial Code is not law. It's a model code. Certain states have enacted
[50:14.800 --> 50:20.800]  certain parts of it, but the Uniform Commercial Code is a model code. It is not law.
[50:20.800 --> 50:24.800]  If you go to the state legislature, to the law library in the 50 states of the union,
[50:24.800 --> 50:29.800]  you're not going to find that they have enacted the Uniform Commercial Code. It's not law.
[50:29.800 --> 50:35.800]  Yeah, you're going to find that they've enacted a small penumbra of parts of the code into
[50:35.800 --> 50:41.800]  some things within state law for contract purposes and for money transfer purposes and
[50:41.800 --> 50:43.800]  money tracking purposes.
[50:43.800 --> 50:51.800]  But no one has basically staturized the entire, or what's the proper term for that, Dave?
[50:51.800 --> 50:57.800]  Statutorily codified the entire UCC. No state's done that.
[50:57.800 --> 51:01.800]  Let me tell you an interesting story. I had a gal this goes back quite a few years ago.
[51:01.800 --> 51:06.800]  She wrote me and she was very mad at me. This is when I was doing radio. And she was very
[51:06.800 --> 51:09.800]  mad at me and she said, you know, you said the commercial code, it can't be used for
[51:09.800 --> 51:14.800]  this and that. Well, let me tell you something, Mr. Champion. I've used it for this and this
[51:14.800 --> 51:17.800]  and this. And then she probably had a list of about 12 or 13 things that she had accomplished,
[51:17.800 --> 51:21.800]  which if true would be pretty damn impressive.
[51:21.800 --> 51:26.800]  So I said to her, look, you know, I have a very successful radio show with, you know,
[51:26.800 --> 51:33.800]  God knows how many people are listening. And I said, if you'll show me, if you email me the
[51:33.800 --> 51:38.800]  documentary evidence that you achieved these victories using the commercial code, I will do
[51:38.800 --> 51:43.800]  everything in my power to make you the most famous person in America because you have the
[51:43.800 --> 51:48.800]  answers to the things that people have been wanting, been trying to find out the answers to
[51:48.800 --> 51:52.800]  for, you know, 30, 40 years. So if you've really accomplished this, let me make you famous.
[51:52.800 --> 51:59.800]  Let me make you a millionaire. Send me the documentary evidence. I never heard back from her.
[51:59.800 --> 52:04.800]  And that's kind of the problem I have with this situation every time I ask for that. It's not
[52:04.800 --> 52:09.800]  that I want to disbelieve everything that people tell me about this. It's a simple fact that I
[52:09.800 --> 52:14.800]  know for a fact you can't prove any of it up. True or not, you can't prove it up because nobody
[52:14.800 --> 52:20.800]  ever gets evidence. They take theory upon theory upon theory and make inferences from theories
[52:20.800 --> 52:28.800]  instead of facts. There is this little problem in law. You can only make one level of inference
[52:28.800 --> 52:37.800]  from a verified, demonstrable fact. And no more. You can't propagate inferences upon
[52:37.800 --> 52:44.800]  inference. So once you find the groundwork evidence, you're allowed to make one level of
[52:44.800 --> 52:51.800]  inference from that. And it must be something logically attached to the evidence. If you don't
[52:51.800 --> 52:59.800]  do that, you're operating in the ether with nothing to stand on. You follow what I'm saying?
[52:59.800 --> 53:04.800]  Absolutely. Absolutely. Young guys like me look up to you guys out there really fighting hard
[53:04.800 --> 53:05.800]  for the system.
[53:05.800 --> 53:09.800]  Yeah. And don't get us wrong. It's not that we don't appreciate the effort you're making
[53:09.800 --> 53:15.800]  or anything else. But I guarantee you if you do something in that area wrong, the repercussions
[53:15.800 --> 53:23.800]  are horrible to experience. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you guys for your time. I'm
[53:23.800 --> 53:27.800]  going to keep on reading. And I look forward to chit chatting with you soon again.
[53:27.800 --> 53:36.800]  All right, Emmett. Here's the thing. Verifiable, authoritative sources only for your evidence.
[53:36.800 --> 53:41.800]  It's fine that you read everything under the sun to get ideas and concepts. Great. But
[53:41.800 --> 53:48.800]  get your evidence from a verifiable, reliable source.
[53:48.800 --> 53:52.800]  All right. Well, I appreciate that. That's excellent advice. I appreciate it. God bless you
[53:52.800 --> 53:53.800]  guys. Thank you.
[53:53.800 --> 53:56.800]  All right, Emmett. Thanks for calling.
[53:56.800 --> 54:02.800]  All right. Now we're going to go to Mary in Indiana. Mary, what can we do for you?
[54:02.800 --> 54:10.800]  My son has been trying to follow the program for probably five or six years. I'm fairly new to
[54:10.800 --> 54:16.800]  this. I read Dave Champion's book a year ago and I keep it and I just said I had to reread
[54:16.800 --> 54:23.800]  it. But my husband and I obviously have paid taxes for our whole entire lives and we're
[54:23.800 --> 54:28.800]  getting, he's, my husband's in his seventies and we're getting ready to retire. And our
[54:28.800 --> 54:37.800]  son brought up the fact that in order for us to transfer assets to him, we need to have
[54:37.800 --> 54:46.800]  a contractual trust. And I said, well, how do I do that? And he said, well, don't ask
[54:46.800 --> 54:53.800]  an attorney because I'll tell you there isn't such a thing. And so I tried to look up
[54:53.800 --> 55:01.800]  contractual trust and the information all seems to do with business law.
[55:01.800 --> 55:07.800]  Okay. Let me, may I jump in here because this is an area I used to work in extensively when
[55:07.800 --> 55:13.800]  I had my practice working with non-tax payers. First of all, let me say that I used to tell
[55:13.800 --> 55:17.800]  people when they would call my office and they were say in their seventies and they
[55:17.800 --> 55:23.800]  wanted to embark in the life of being a non-tax payer, I would tell them don't. You've
[55:23.800 --> 55:28.800]  worked long, you've worked hard and you don't want to take a misstep at seventy that's going
[55:28.800 --> 55:32.800]  to set you back because you don't have the time to recover. So first of all, let me say
[55:32.800 --> 55:38.800]  that I don't advocate people in their seventies jumping into this. It's something I encourage
[55:38.800 --> 55:44.800]  them to let younger people do. And hopefully the movie that Eddie and I talked about earlier
[55:44.800 --> 55:49.800]  will help more Americans become knowledgeable and brave and do the right thing.
[55:49.800 --> 55:54.800]  Now, as far as the contractual trust, this also oftentimes referred to as a common law
[55:54.800 --> 56:02.800]  trust because it relies on the common law right of contract. There are very, very few
[56:02.800 --> 56:10.800]  people who use it anymore because the government back in the early nineties did a full court
[56:10.800 --> 56:17.800]  press on these trusts trying everything they could to invalidate them including, and this
[56:17.800 --> 56:22.800]  is really important when it comes to transferring assets, including telling the legal
[56:22.800 --> 56:30.800]  departments of large banks and lawyer associations who deal with inheritance issues and transfer
[56:30.800 --> 56:36.800]  of property between generations that these were bogus trusts and that they should stay
[56:36.800 --> 56:41.800]  away from them with everything they've got. There's no evidence behind it. I mean, I've
[56:41.800 --> 56:46.800]  actually had this debate with an attorney from a bank. They cannot substantiate that
[56:46.800 --> 56:55.800]  they are bogus and I can substantiate that they are legally valid. However, once something
[56:55.800 --> 56:59.800]  somebody like the treasury department says, don't do this, this is bogus, it's going to
[56:59.800 --> 57:03.800]  get you in trouble, most especially with us, the treasury department and the department
[57:03.800 --> 57:08.800]  of justice. Suddenly they don't want to hear anything. Now, I might just say one thing.
[57:08.800 --> 57:15.800]  I don't know what the amount of your assets are, but there are statutory vehicles such
[57:15.800 --> 57:21.800]  as living wills that if the assets you're going to pass on are less than X, whatever
[57:21.800 --> 57:30.800]  X is in your state, you can pass that along really without any tax implication at all.
[57:30.800 --> 57:35.800]  Yeah, and if you're talking about things like property or things like that, what you could
[57:35.800 --> 57:41.800]  actually do prior to any of that is that instead of having to worry about something like an
[57:41.800 --> 57:47.800]  inheritance tax or all that, your son could actually buy the property that you're wanting
[57:47.800 --> 57:53.800]  to transfer to him anyway. He just buys it from you. That's one of the ways of getting
[57:53.800 --> 57:59.800]  around things like an inheritance tax and things like that before it becomes an issue.
[57:59.800 --> 58:06.800]  But if he was to buy property, then there would be a property tax involved.
[58:06.800 --> 58:10.800]  Well, the property tax is a different issue. There would be a tax involved if a trust had
[58:10.800 --> 58:16.800]  it too. They would attempt to levy a tax on it all the same. But all right, we got to
[58:16.800 --> 58:19.800]  go to a break here, Mary. Can you hang on to the other side?
[58:19.800 --> 58:20.800]  Sure.
[58:20.800 --> 58:24.800]  Okay. All right, folks, this is the Monday Night Rule of Law radio show with your host
[58:24.800 --> 58:28.800]  Eddie Craig and my guest Dave Champion. If you all will hang on, we're going to take
[58:28.800 --> 58:49.800]  a break and we will be right back.
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[01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:34.800]  Today in history, the year 1947, Pan American Airlines becomes the first commercial airline
[01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:41.800]  to offer a round-the-world ticket. Today in history.
[01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:46.800]  In recent news, five people were killed and eight wounded when an arriving airline passenger,
[01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.800]  26-year-old Esteban Santiago, an Army National Guard veteran, pulled out a handgun from
[01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:56.800]  his checked luggage and began opening fire in the baggage claims area at the Fort Lauderdale
[01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:01.800]  Airport Friday today. According to a witness, the command apparently began firing without a word,
[01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:05.800]  going through about three magazines before running out of ammunition.
[01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:09.800]  He then threw the gun down and laid on the ground until the police apprehended him.
[01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:14.800]  He was arrested unharmed with no law enforcement officers firing any shots and is being questioned
[01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:19.800]  by the FBI. Apparently, the shooter's brother told the Associated Press that Esteban had
[01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.800]  been receiving psychological treatment. He is a veteran who was deployed to Iraq in 2010
[01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.800]  and spent a year there with the 130th Engineering Battalion. He later received a general discharge
[01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:34.800]  from the Alaska Army National Guard last year for unsatisfactory performance.
[01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:41.800]  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and family members.
[01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:46.800]  Texas lawmaker Representative Jonathan Sticklin is sponsoring a bill during the next legislative session
[01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.800]  which seeks to remove the need for the handgun license process in the state.
[01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:55.800]  The constitutional carry bill would give residents the right to carry a gun with or without a permit.
[01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:00.800]  When interviewed about it, Sticklin said that, quote, we don't think that Texans should have to pay
[01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.800]  for their Second Amendment rights. This bill would get rid of the mandatory test and fee
[01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:08.800]  Texans are currently having to pay and restoring constitutional rights.
[01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.800]  If people were trying to pass a required test to make you pay a fee for your First Amendment rights,
[01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:18.800]  then people would be going insane about that. Why it's somehow become allowable with the Second Amendment,
[01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:24.800]  I have no idea. This bill does not expand who can carry or where they can carry.
[01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.800]  If you are a felon or anything like that, this is not an expansion of who can carry.
[01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.800]  You will still have to go through the background checks of purchasing the weapon.
[01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:36.800]  Unfortunately, Texas is not leading on this issue and constitutional carry passing
[01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:42.800]  means that there is a whole new group of people previously who have not been able to afford the fees
[01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:46.800]  to pay the price for the mandatory classes who will now be able to carry.
[01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.800]  If passed, Texas would become the 11th state with constitutional carry.
[01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.800]  This is Brooke Brody with the lowdown for January 6, 2017.
[01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:30.800]  I won't pay for the war with my body.
[01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.800]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money.
[01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.800]  I won't pay for the fun with my body.
[01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.800]  The plans wicked and the logic shoddy.
[01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:44.800]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body.
[01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.800]  I won't pay for the poison with my money.
[01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.800]  Ain't gonna pay for the kiss with my body.
[01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.800]  The whole agenda smells funny.
[01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:01.800]  I wanna fight in a war of my own.
[01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:08.800]  That one would be less active than Brooke.
[01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:15.800]  I wanna pay for a war of my own.
[01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.800]  They live in glass houses so I can watch them.
[01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.800]  All right, folks, we are back.
[01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.800]  This is the Monday Night Rule of Law Radio Show.
[01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:25.800]  Your host, Eddie Craig, and my special guest, Dave Champion.
[01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:30.800]  Before we get back to taking the calls, I got some information on break.
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[01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.800]  and get your name in for the gun, okay?
[01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.800]  All right, that being said, let's get back to Ms. Mary in Indiana.
[01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.800]  Ms. Mary?
[01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:24.800]  Yes.
[01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:25.800]  All right.
[01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:27.800]  He's giving you a little bit of information.
[01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.800]  Is there something else you need to go with that?
[01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:43.800]  Well, if you were over the X amount, legally I could, let's say, purchase gold,
[01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:50.800]  which wouldn't be listed, and then he would be left the gold.
[01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:52.800]  Would that work?
[01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:53.800]  You could do that as well.
[01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:54.800]  Yes.
[01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:59.800]  Gold, silver, platinum, any type of precious metal that you could take off the books
[01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.800]  and put it elsewhere, anything like that is transferable, sure.
[01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:08.800]  Collectibles, also another thing I used to discuss with my clients.
[01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:14.800]  One other quick question that may help him, because he won't use a Social Security number,
[01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:17.800]  he does have a heck of a time getting a job.
[01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:24.800]  I mean, he's even offered to, he has a written sheet typed out where they're to ask him,
[01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:30.800]  I guess, three times, and then he declined, and he told them he'll give them the $50
[01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:36.800]  so that if the government comes after him, they don't even have to pay the fee.
[01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.800]  Yeah, actually the statute's very clear on that.
[01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.800]  They're required to request the number, not get it.
[01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.800]  Right.
[01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.800]  That's all the law requires of them, and all they have to do is put notice in on written form
[01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.800]  that they requested the number, but the person never provided it.
[01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:56.800]  And they're covered, and the statute's very clear on that.
[01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.800]  They just choose not to read it.
[01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:01.800]  Oh, okay.
[01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:08.800]  And then the other thing he's thrown into is if they've done that, then they try and 1099 him.
[01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.800]  Again, nothing authorizes that either.
[01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.800]  Okay.
[01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:17.800]  Dave, you were going to say something about the 1099?
[01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.800]  Well, my first thought was, how are they going to do that without a social...
[01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:21.800]  Exactly.
[01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:25.800]  Every one of those forms requires the use of a social security number or a TIN.
[01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:26.800]  Every one of them.
[01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:28.800]  And let me say something else.
[01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:39.800]  The only justification that an employer has to withhold from a worker is if the worker executes a Form W-4.
[01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:48.800]  The Form W-4 would not be the right form for the average American state citizen working in his own state
[01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:51.800]  in an occupation of common right, blah, blah, blah.
[01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.800]  That form has zero applicability.
[01:07:55.800 --> 01:08:02.800]  Even though it's requested millions of times a year, maybe tens of millions of times a year from American citizens,
[01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:04.800]  it is absolutely not applicable to them.
[01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:10.800]  Now, for the 1099, in order to receive one of those, you have to have filled out a Form W-9.
[01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:16.800]  And the W-4 and the W-9 serve the same purpose from the government's point of view.
[01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:24.800]  It is the citizen falsely declaring themselves to be within a class of person that they are not.
[01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:28.800]  In other words, you're falsifying a government document, and that's a felony.
[01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:29.800]  Yes.
[01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.800]  So for instance, let's take the W-9, for example.
[01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.800]  The W-9 is what you would fill out as a quote, independent contractor.
[01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.800]  And it says right there in the instructions, I think at the beginning of the second paragraph,
[01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:43.800]  this form is to be used exclusively by a U.S. person.
[01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:49.800]  And of course, Americans sort of having that common sense sort of thing and good heartedness say,
[01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.800]  oh, I must be a U.S. person.
[01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.800]  Well, that's not true at all.
[01:08:53.800 --> 01:09:00.800]  When you read through the law, what a U.S. person is, is a U.S. resident or a U.S. company
[01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:07.800]  that has care, custody, or control of U.S. source income that belongs to a foreign person.
[01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:12.800]  But they see it, you know, this is exclusively for a U.S. person.
[01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:15.800]  Well, hell, I was born in Arkansas, dang netta.
[01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.800]  That makes me a U.S. person.
[01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:20.800]  And then you say to them, dude, you're not a U.S. person.
[01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.800]  Don't you tell me I'm not a U.S. person.
[01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:31.800]  They want to be a U.S. person, and they do not understand that it has nothing to do with that.
[01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.800]  Yeah, treachery by linguistics.
[01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:35.800]  There you go.
[01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:43.800]  It's what we call legal semantics, similarity of terms and phrases without the same meaning.
[01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:52.800]  Well, what he finds is that the employer is so terrified of the IRS that they just.
[01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.800]  That too is by design.
[01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:56.800]  Yes.
[01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:06.800]  Let's see, who was it who made that quote, if the Americans knew that most of the IRS is bluff,
[01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.800]  they wouldn't comply at all?
[01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:10.800]  It was a former IRS commissioner like 50 years ago.
[01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:11.800]  Yeah.
[01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:12.800]  Yeah.
[01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:19.800]  And the IRS commissioner himself said that 99% of what the IRS does is complete and total bluff.
[01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.800]  And that's how they get away with what they do.
[01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:32.800]  They convince you that they can, even though legally speaking, they cannot.
[01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:37.800]  And let me talk for a moment about the tension with the company that somebody works for,
[01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:41.800]  whether they work as an independent contractor, which is a term I hate to use,
[01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.800]  but I will for the sake because everybody understands it,
[01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:49.800]  or whether they work as somebody who's a full-time employee of the company.
[01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:58.800]  Yes, there is tension at this time in history between the informed citizen who knows the truth,
[01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:04.800]  for instance, somebody who's right income tax shattering the mess, that person and the company.
[01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:10.800]  Now, what makes it so frustrating is the company believes they know what they're talking about.
[01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.800]  The company's accountant believes they know what he or she is talking about.
[01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.800]  The company's attorney believes he or she knows what they're talking about.
[01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.800]  And I will repeat what I said earlier in this show.
[01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.800]  I spent 15 years talking to these people on behalf of my clients and never once,
[01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:30.800]  that's a huge statement, thousands upon thousands upon thousands of clients over 15 years,
[01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:36.800]  never once did I find anybody in HR, in accounting, or the legal department,
[01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:43.800]  or the outside counsel for a company who ever had a clue what the law said about signing these forms
[01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:45.800]  and not signing these forms.
[01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:50.800]  Never once, it's appalling.
[01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:55.800]  Yeah, it's pretty much the same situation I have when I talk to attorneys about the stuff that I do on a regular basis.
[01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:58.800]  They've never read these laws, and they'll admit it.
[01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:04.800]  I mean, I made a presentation of my information to a group of people in someone's home one night.
[01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.800]  I was called up for a weekend to do just that thing.
[01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:13.800]  And unbeknownst to me at the time, one of the people present had been a municipal prosecutor for 13 years.
[01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:18.800]  And I'm standing there with these, the Code of Criminal Procedure, the Transportation Code,
[01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:22.800]  all these books in my hand, and I'm telling them, okay, here's what this section says,
[01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:26.800]  here's what this section says, here's how it applies, and here's how it works.
[01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:33.800]  At the end of this, this attorney comes to me and he says, I have never read any of this.
[01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:39.800]  In the 13 years I was a prosecutor, I've never even seen this.
[01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:46.800]  Can I tell you a funny story? As quickly as I can, I was talking to a lady in the accounting department on behalf of one of my clients.
[01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.800]  And during the beginning couple minutes of the conversation, she must have said the phrase,
[01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:57.800]  I have to have him sign a W foreign withhold from him because it's the law, the key being because it's the law.
[01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.800]  She said that about four or five times in the first couple minutes.
[01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.800]  So I said, I noticed that you've said this phrase, it's the law.
[01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:11.800]  Can you help me out, can you point me, can you cite the law, or can you quote the law?
[01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:13.800]  What do you mean?
[01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.800]  Well, can you tell me what it says? I mean, can you like read it out to me verbatim what it says,
[01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:20.800]  or at least tell me where it is in the code? I'll go look at it.
[01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:25.800]  Of course, this was a setup. And she says, well, I don't know where it is.
[01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:27.800]  I said, that's okay, tell me what it says.
[01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.800]  Well, I don't know what it says.
[01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.800]  I said, you know, this is really weird because you told me like five times you have to do it as the law,
[01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.800]  but you don't know where it is and you don't know what it says.
[01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:40.800]  But not to worry. I know where it is and I know what it says.
[01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:42.800]  Do you have a computer in front of you? Yes, sir, I do.
[01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:44.800]  Let's go look at it together.
[01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:50.800]  And so we go to the appropriate section together online over the phone and we start reading it together.
[01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:58.800]  And I said, okay, so having read the law, can you, if you stretch or mangled this law beyond recognition,
[01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:03.800]  is there any way you can possibly apply it to Tom?
[01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:09.800]  She said, I don't want to talk to you anymore.
[01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:13.800]  That was the outcome. I don't want to talk to you anymore.
[01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:17.800]  Once she read the law, I don't want to talk to you anymore.
[01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:22.800]  Yeah, that pattern of belief disruption is very powerful.
[01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:28.800]  Yeah. Yeah, he does. He'll get, please leave. Yeah.
[01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:35.800]  But yes, as far as your original question, as far as the transferability of precious metals and other precious things,
[01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:41.800]  antiques, anything that can be transferred to hold the value of what you're trying to give, most certainly you can do that.
[01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:47.800]  Yep. Nothing in the law for preventing it at all. You're one of the good guys.
[01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:51.800]  No, I've been paying taxes for too many years.
[01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:56.800]  By the way, my good friend Ryan Lanell just posted to me that the quote we were talking about a moment ago,
[01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:01.800]  in a recent conversation with an official of the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that,
[01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:07.800]  quote, if the taxpayers of this country ever discover the IRS operates on 90% bluff, the entire system will collapse.
[01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:16.800]  That was Henry Bellman, a senator in 1996. Yeah. I'm sorry, 1969. Yeah. Thanks, Ryan.
[01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:22.800]  Okay. Anything else, Ms. Mary? No, that's it. Thank you for the information. Yes, ma'am. You're very welcome and good luck.
[01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:29.800]  Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. All right. Now we're going to go to Sean in Oregon.
[01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:38.800]  Sean, what do we need to hear from you? Hello, Sean. Hey, sorry, man. That's all right.
[01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:49.800]  I'm talking from the speaker. Okay. What you got? So I'm just curious about, I'm talking about the shooting in Florida.
[01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:59.800]  Okay. What shooting in Florida? Okay. So as far as the Second Amendment goes and talking about shall not be, you know.
[01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:14.800]  Infringed. Hello? Sean? I think you clicked one too many buttons there, bud.
[01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:21.800]  All right. Well, if you get reconnected, call us back. All right. While we're waiting on that, let's go to Dallas in Texas.
[01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:27.800]  Dallas, what do you got? Good evening, Dave and Eddie. Good evening.
[01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.800]  It's a pleasure and honor to speak with you, Mr. Champion.
[01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.800]  All right. Well, I'm afraid I want to stop you right there, Dallas. We got a break coming up.
[01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.800]  Hang on. We'll get you on the other side for the greeting, okay?
[01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:44.800]  All right. Hang on just a second. All right, folks. This is the Monday Night Rule of Law Radio Show with your host, Eddie Craig,
[01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:52.800]  and my special guest tonight, Mr. Dave Champion, author of Income Tax Shattering the Mists and my co-star in the upcoming movie, The Grand Scam.
[01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:59.800]  Y'all hang in there, and we'll be right back to talk with you some more.
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[01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:19.800]  ain't gonna blame me
[01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:26.800]  don't bore me
[01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:30.800]  well
[01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:35.800]  ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again
[01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:40.800]  I was blindsided but now I can see you now
[01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.800]  you put the fear in my pocket
[01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:46.800]  took the money from my hand
[01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:48.800]  ain't gonna fool me with that
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[01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:09.800]  All right, let's get back to Dallas in Texas.
[01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:12.800]  Dallas, let's continue.
[01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:23.800]  I own a well-patterned and marked up copy of a compact shatter in the mist.
[01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:29.800]  Dallas, what kind of phone are you on?
[01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:31.800]  Are you on a cell phone?
[01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:32.800]  Yes.
[01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:34.800]  Okay, you need to get somewhere a little bit clearer.
[01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.800]  You're around something that's causing a buzzing and for you to cut out.
[01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:43.800]  If you're around lights or power supplies or anything like that, please put a little distance.
[01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:44.800]  How's that? Any better?
[01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:49.800]  The home's still there, but you're not cutting out as bad. So go ahead.
[01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:52.800]  Okay. This is my third time around through the book, Dave.
[01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:54.800]  Thanks for putting the information out there.
[01:20:54.800 --> 01:21:08.800]  And I find it unbelievable that our public servants would bar you from helping us move into a more free state.
[01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:16.800]  I started several years ago with Eddie and ran across you by way of Eddie.
[01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:25.800]  That's the book. I have two young children, neither have Social Security numbers, but both have U.S. passports.
[01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:32.800]  I don't think that that number is actually needed to survive in the world, as you guys are actually proof of that.
[01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:36.800]  I mean, you obviously don't use yours.
[01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:44.800]  But I'd like to ask a question about those older WF-4s that I filled out, that I marked up.
[01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:52.800]  I started a job about three and a half years ago, and the first year went relatively well.
[01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:59.800]  I was getting all that they were taking out in Social Security.
[01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:08.800]  But then about a year ago, they received that grateful letter from the IRS that tells this, quote,
[01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:16.800]  employer to change my withholding. I sent there to work with them, told them that there was no way they could do that,
[01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:20.800]  no due process, no court order, state law says they can't do it.
[01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:25.800]  Well, of course, they're more scared of the IRS booty man than they are of me.
[01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:32.800]  So for 13 months now, they have been stealing property at the rate of single and none.
[01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:40.800]  And I'm to the point now where I have a pretty good criminal lawsuit written.
[01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:50.800]  And I'm pretty sure that the law states that once you mark a W-4 exempt, after 12 months, it expires.
[01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:54.800]  Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You marked exempt on a W-4?
[01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:56.800]  Three years ago, yes.
[01:22:56.800 --> 01:23:00.800]  Dave, would you like to explain to him why that was a mistake?
[01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.800]  He's read the book three times. He already knows why it's a mistake.
[01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:08.800]  But I'll share the mistake with the audience.
[01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:16.800]  As I said before, a W-4 designates a person as a very narrow class of person,
[01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:23.800]  which 98 percent of the Americans, the people working in America, don't fit into that classification.
[01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:27.800]  Unfortunately, it's too lengthy to get into on the show.
[01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:30.800]  You'll have to read the book to understand it. But I assure you,
[01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:36.800]  you have my word that when you buy the book and read it, you will have zero questions left.
[01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:38.800]  Dallas, would you agree with that?
[01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:41.800]  I would agree with that 100 percent.
[01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:45.800]  Okay. So they will know when they read it. Dallas knows when he read it.
[01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:50.800]  I agree with Dallas that according to the IRS's own regulations,
[01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:58.800]  the company is supposed to get a W-4 signed again every year.
[01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:08.800]  However, there is no regulation that says that a W-4 expires after a year.
[01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:14.800]  And of course, the problem is, and this is I think what Eddie was about to get into,
[01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.800]  the problem is having signed it, and I know you didn't know any better,
[01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.800]  so this is certainly not a finger-pointing blame game.
[01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:23.800]  The problem is once the W-4 is signed,
[01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:28.800]  that creates the presumption in law that you are that particular class of person.
[01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:36.800]  The interesting thing is if you are that particular class of person and you have executed that form,
[01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:43.800]  then the IRS, by its policies and guidelines, which is different than statutes and regulations,
[01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:52.800]  does have, they will tell you, the authority to command your company to withhold at single zero.
[01:24:52.800 --> 01:25:02.800]  Now, here's the thing. The letter to your employer is nothing more than a suggestion.
[01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:07.800]  The letter carries absolutely no legal weight.
[01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:10.800]  The company does not have to do what it says in that letter,
[01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.800]  and you probably already know this for yourself,
[01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:19.800]  but yet most companies, as you point out, are so ridiculously terrified of the IRS
[01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:24.800]  that just something that, of course, they phrase it very officiously,
[01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:31.800]  but it's nothing more than, you know, if they really put it the way it legally should read,
[01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:38.800]  it should say, hey, we noted Dallas did this. We don't think that's correct.
[01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:47.800]  We would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind changing his status to single zero,
[01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:53.800]  because that's all the legal force that it has, if you wouldn't mind perhaps doing us a favor.
[01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:57.800]  There's no legal requirement for the company to do it at all.
[01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:01.800]  Well, I agree with you 100% again, Dave.
[01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:08.800]  The fact is that they've been doing it, and to date it's around $27,000 in 12 months
[01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:13.800]  that they have withheld out of my pay.
[01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:22.800]  And Texas state law is very specific in how a, quote, employer may deduct money from your check,
[01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:26.800]  and there's really only three ways that they can do it.
[01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:32.800]  One is if I volunteer, two is a court order, and three is federal or state law.
[01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:36.800]  None of those exist in this situation.
[01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:45.800]  Maybe if I volunteered, but is there such a way to terminate the W-4?
[01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:49.800]  There should be in the sense that you provide legal notice to the company
[01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:55.800]  that effective this date, the W-4, is no longer valid and effective.
[01:26:55.800 --> 01:27:02.800]  However, and that's just within the long-established legal doctrine of giving legal notice,
[01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:15.800]  but there is no specific regulation in the tax code that says you can cancel it by this mechanism.
[01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:24.800]  And one of the other aspects to that is making notice and demand of payment in full behind that,
[01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.800]  meaning either there's any monopoly or...
[01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:31.800]  What you can do is supply them with a potential notice of tort,
[01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.800]  and what that's going to amount to is it could wind up costing you the job because of it,
[01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:39.800]  because they're not going to want to face you or the IRS long-term.
[01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:40.800]  That's the way this is going to play out.
[01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:45.800]  If you go to get this money back, short of filing an income tax return,
[01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:49.800]  this is going to play out this way, almost guaranteed it's going to play out this way.
[01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:54.800]  They're going to get rid of you because you've now become a problem child to them.
[01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:59.800]  Well, fortunately for me, Eddie, I've been a problem child to them for a long time.
[01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:05.800]  I've had several phone conversations with their on-staff attorney.
[01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:08.800]  Apparently, I'm costing them more administrative fees than I'm worth,
[01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.800]  but I am actually under a collective bargaining agreement.
[01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:14.800]  I actually have a written contract.
[01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:18.800]  One of the other aspects of where I work is I believe they're in breach.
[01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:19.800]  Okay, right.
[01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:21.800]  You have two things to go on here then.
[01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:25.800]  The problem, though, is that you put in the W-4.
[01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:29.800]  Had you not put in that W-4 and had been withholding,
[01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:34.800]  this would not be nearly the issue it's become because of that W-4, okay,
[01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:40.800]  because that, as Dave stated, has created the prima facie appearance
[01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:47.800]  that you are liable under that W-4 category of person for that tax.
[01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:48.800]  From the very beginning.
[01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:49.800]  Right.
[01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:52.800]  From the very beginning when you signed the W-4.
[01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:53.800]  Right.
[01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:54.800]  Okay.
[01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:55.800]  Check this out.
[01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:56.800]  Well, hang on.
[01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:58.800]  Let me get through the last part of this here.
[01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:02.800]  Now, if you do what Dave said and you terminate the W-4,
[01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:09.800]  that's not going to alter the prior information as far as them withholding
[01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:14.800]  based upon what was then a valid W-4, okay?
[01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.800]  Now, if you can state that you're retroactively canceling it,
[01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:22.800]  that doesn't mean it places an obligation on them to concur.
[01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:26.800]  Now, the other issue there is if you hadn't signed anything
[01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:28.800]  and they had started to do this withholding,
[01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:34.800]  now you've got an issue of them taking your property
[01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.800]  and no legal authority behind them on which to do it
[01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.800]  because that letter is not a court order.
[01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:42.800]  I agree.
[01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:43.800]  Okay.
[01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:44.800]  So hang on just a second
[01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.800]  and we'll finish that little bit up on the other side
[01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:48.800]  and get you clear on this, okay?
[01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:49.800]  Okay.
[01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:50.800]  All right, folks.
[01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:54.800]  This is Rule of Law Radio calling number 512-646-1984
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[01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:04.800]  Alright folks, we are back. This is Rule of Law Radio.
[01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:09.800]  This is Monday Night Show with your host Eddie Craig and my special guest Dave Champion.
[01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:14.800]  Now Dave would like to make a request of the listeners out there. So Dave, please go ahead.
[01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:20.800]  Guys, when you call in, do me a favor. What I'm doing tonight probably does not violate the injunction
[01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:23.800]  because you're not a client of mine and I'm not charging you any money.
[01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:29.800]  However, Judge Percy Anderson, who's a complete douchebag, would love to put me in jail.
[01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.800]  That would probably be one of the greatest pleasures in his life.
[01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:38.800]  So, please, when you call in and you present your situation, please talk about if a person did X
[01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:44.800]  rather than I did X because by then I'm giving a generalized answer.
[01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:51.800]  If you ask me and say, hey, my name's Tom and I did this, now I'm giving a particularized answer to an individual.
[01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:56.800]  And while I don't believe it's violative, certainly Percy Anderson would probably take another perspective.
[01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:59.800]  Alright. That being said, let's bring Dallas back on.
[01:34:59.800 --> 01:35:04.800]  Now Dallas, Dave is going to give you another little point on the exempt portion of that W-4
[01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:08.800]  and what you may or may not have as far as a remedy here.
[01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:14.800]  I think it's important to understand that the term exempt on a W-4 does not mean the same thing
[01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:19.800]  that it means when we use it in our general life to say, oh, well, I'm exempt from that policy or whatever.
[01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:22.800]  It doesn't mean that on a W-4.
[01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:27.800]  The meaning of exempt on a W-4 means the following in the layperson's terms.
[01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:37.800]  It means I am a person who is liable for the tax upon whom the tax has been imposed.
[01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:44.800]  And I am subject, I am subject to withholding.
[01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:49.800]  But for various technical reasons, perhaps I overpaid last year.
[01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:55.800]  I don't have to have any withholding done right now.
[01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:00.800]  It does not mean I am a person who is exempt.
[01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:05.800]  That's a very critical distinction when marking exempt on a W-4.
[01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:10.800]  And that's the reason for my, uh-oh, Dave telling what he did wrong with that.
[01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:12.800]  You get it, Dallas?
[01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:14.800]  Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
[01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:21.800]  Okay. So now the situation is down to what is your remedy for what's happened up to this point?
[01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:25.800]  And again, I will defer that to Dave.
[01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:30.800]  You know, one of the things I wanted to comment about when I said terminating the W-4 and I said on a specific date,
[01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:34.800]  I didn't mean retroactively because I heard Eddie use that word.
[01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:41.800]  I don't believe that you can cancel a legal document retroactively.
[01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:45.800]  However, what I meant was I'm submitting this letter to you on the 5th.
[01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:47.800]  It's dated, the effective date is the 6th.
[01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:51.800]  It ceases to be valid tomorrow, not three years ago.
[01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:54.800]  That was not what I was getting at.
[01:36:54.800 --> 01:37:04.800]  There really is, having filled out a W-4, it's really tough because you swore, and this is what we need solutions to.
[01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:10.800]  This is why I think the movie is so important because this is obviously a corrupt situation
[01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:16.800]  where you didn't understand the meaning of the W-4.
[01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:20.800]  And for our audience who hasn't read the book, let me explain what I mean.
[01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:25.800]  People imagine when they sign under penalty of perjury, what they're doing is signing under penalty of perjury
[01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:32.800]  that you put your name down correctly and you claim the proper number of deductions or exemptions, excuse me,
[01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:38.800]  and that you put your proper taxpayer identification number on the form.
[01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:40.800]  And those are all true.
[01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:47.800]  However, what the average person does not understand is that you're also signing under penalty of perjury
[01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:52.800]  that you are a person who is subject to the authority of this document.
[01:37:52.800 --> 01:38:00.800]  The laws that are behind that document that caused the Treasury Department to create it, you are subject to those laws
[01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:05.800]  because if you weren't subject to those laws, you wouldn't be signing under penalty of perjury
[01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:09.800]  that any of the technical crap you wrote down is true.
[01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:16.800]  So we have a situation now where somebody like Dallas comes along at the time he did it not being informed,
[01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:22.800]  like 99.9% of the rest of the American public, and he fills in the data and he signs it.
[01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:31.800]  This has created a legal presumption that he is a particular class of person who is subject to these laws.
[01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:35.800]  So the best course of action that I can suggest is submit a document to your employer,
[01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:40.800]  not that they're going to care, but submit a document to your employer explaining all of this
[01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:45.800]  and stating that you were ignorant of what the implication of the document was
[01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:51.800]  and that you unknowingly and unintentionally committed perjury,
[01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:59.800]  and that knowing what you know today, you could not sign one because you are not a person subject to the laws
[01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:05.800]  that are behind that form that caused the Treasury Department to create it. Does that all make sense?
[01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:09.800]  Absolutely, since I've read the book.
[01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:12.800]  There you go.
[01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:20.800]  Real quick, what the situation as of today is, after all of this went down over the past year,
[01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:30.800]  they've been stealing my property, I got in an argument with my manager.
[01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:34.800]  They terminated for insubordination.
[01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:42.800]  Well, because of my collective bargaining agreement, they were forced to rehire me.
[01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:50.800]  They gave me a new rehire packet, and in that packet was a new W-4.
[01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:58.800]  When it all came down to filling it out, I did not give them a social on the I-9.
[01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:06.800]  That brought the vice president of the company to our local branch.
[01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:14.800]  He asked me face-to-face to sign the W-4. I told him I could not do that, and you would not honor it anyway.
[01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:23.800]  I could write a zip across, and it wouldn't matter. Well, guess what? I'm here working today without a signed W-4.
[01:40:23.800 --> 01:40:31.800]  Okay, now at this point, Eddie, you can chime in. At this point, from that day forward,
[01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:35.800]  if they're still withholding, you have them by the balls.
[01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:36.800]  Absolutely.
[01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.800]  They're still taking single ends.
[01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:42.800]  Oh, you own them now.
[01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:52.800]  Well, okay, from now, I use some of the We the People paperwork, and that was the suggestion of Eddie.
[01:40:52.800 --> 01:41:01.800]  Great paperwork. It really drives home what it is and what I'm not.
[01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:05.800]  Should I resubmit all that, Eddie? What do you think?
[01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:11.800]  Well, you could. I mean, there's nothing in there that would prevent it.
[01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:17.800]  But now remember that one of those original forms is a replacement W-9.
[01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:25.800]  And the information Dave is giving you is that you don't sign a W-9 even as a replacement for a W-9.
[01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:26.800]  Right.
[01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:35.800]  You just don't do it because it creates that prima facie inference of category of taxable person.
[01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:37.800]  And being engaged in approval.
[01:41:37.800 --> 01:41:39.800]  Correct.
[01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:45.800]  Okay. So, I mean, they've already gotten prior notice,
[01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:53.800]  but I don't think they understand that by them continuing to do it and not having a signed W-4.
[01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.800]  Cover yourself one more way, Dallas. Cover yourself.
[01:41:56.800 --> 01:42:01.800]  I don't mean to interrupt you, but just for the sake of time, cover yourself one more way.
[01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:04.800]  Send them a cease and desist notice.
[01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:05.800]  Okay.
[01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:10.800]  Legally speaking, give them one more opportunity to cease and desist any and all withholding from your pay
[01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:16.800]  without a valid withholding form because you are not in the category of person that either authorized
[01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:23.800]  or is subject to that withholding any longer based upon the stuff Dave told you to put in that.
[01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:27.800]  And then you've got your paper trail.
[01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:32.800]  Okay. Thanks for having me, Dave. I want to show Eddie.
[01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:36.800]  I'd love to have him more if he ever gets the time to come back.
[01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:39.800]  Get Eddie's script and donate to Logos.
[01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:41.800]  All right. Thanks, Dallas.
[01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:45.800]  All right. Now we're going to go to Roger in Washington.
[01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:47.800]  Roger, what can we do for you?
[01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:51.800]  And just FYI, you've got about 45 seconds before the break.
[01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:56.800]  Okay. Well, glad to speak to you, Eddie and Dave.
[01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:00.800]  Dave, Eddie was how I found out about you a couple years ago.
[01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:06.800]  I watched your videos on the Internet about the 14th Amendment.
[01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:09.800]  That's where some of my questions lie.
[01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:14.800]  And I thought it was an excellent video, very informative, a real eye-opener.
[01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:17.800]  And I have studied a little on it.
[01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:25.800]  And right now I've been going over a book by a person named Roger Sales.
[01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:27.800]  Are you familiar with his book?
[01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:29.800]  No.
[01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:38.800]  Well, he basically is based on informing the government that you are not what they think you are
[01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:41.800]  or what you've been tricked into saying you are.
[01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:45.800]  Okay. Roger, on that thought, hold that up for just a minute.
[01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:47.800]  We'll pick you up after the break.
[01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:50.800]  All right, folks, we are going into the last segment of the show.
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[01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:02.800]  We are now in the last segment of the show, and we are talking to Roger in Washington.
[01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:05.800]  All right, Roger, go ahead.
[01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:15.800]  Okay, Dave, as far as the 14th Amendment goes and so forth, Mr. Sales,
[01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:22.800]  I agree with him and I agree with what you said, too, in your videos on the 14th Amendment.
[01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:28.800]  Basically, what he's saying is that we're not who most of us think we are,
[01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:30.800]  and we have to tell the government that.
[01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:35.800]  Otherwise, we're agreeing with everything that you want to do,
[01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:41.800]  like tax us and make silly laws that violate our rights and so on.
[01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:49.800]  So his suggestion is to affidavit the State Department of the federal government
[01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:55.800]  and your state government and just bypass everything that way.
[01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:57.800]  And that sounds like a good idea.
[01:47:57.800 --> 01:48:03.800]  However, I thought of some other ramifications and had questions about that.
[01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:08.800]  Before you get into that, let me start with this premise that you mentioned taxation.
[01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:15.800]  The 14th Amendment has exactly zero to do with the tax code.
[01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:17.800]  Right, I understand that.
[01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:21.800]  The idea that people think the government is getting away with taxing me
[01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:24.800]  because they say I'm a 14th Amendment citizen,
[01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:27.800]  it's the same as the manufacturer certificate of origin
[01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:35.800]  and the birth certificates being turned into some sort of commercial tradable paper.
[01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:38.800]  When you hear that concept, you're being taxed
[01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:41.800]  because the government is pretending you're a 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.800]  That's a BS argument.
[01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:49.800]  Okay, and that's one of the areas I was in doubt of.
[01:48:49.800 --> 01:49:00.800]  But overall, his argument still sounds to be legitimate in that you can presume
[01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:04.800]  and they can presume and unless you know what they're talking about,
[01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:10.800]  you can make mistakes and claim you are a taxable person,
[01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:14.800]  not knowing it as I have done and many others.
[01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:22.800]  So when it comes to following, say, an affidavit with the feds and the state,
[01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:28.800]  how do you look upon that as a smart thing to do or a dumb thing to do?
[01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:30.800]  I don't consider it smart or dumb.
[01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:33.800]  I consider it a waste of time, and let me explain why.
[01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:36.800]  If the government is trying to do something to you,
[01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:39.800]  and I can use you because we're not talking about taxes now,
[01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:41.800]  so the injunction is not relevant.
[01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:44.800]  If the government is trying to do something to you
[01:49:44.800 --> 01:49:50.800]  and you believe that because 14th Amendment citizens
[01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:54.800]  do not have the same rights as the de jure class of citizens,
[01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:58.800]  that that's the rationale under which they're presuming
[01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:04.800]  that they can apply this law to you or take this action against you,
[01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:10.800]  at that point then you would challenge them to prove that you are a 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:12.800]  So basically what you would say to them is,
[01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:17.800]  ah, I see, you're doing X to me, or you want to do X to me.
[01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:23.800]  You can only do X to somebody who has truncated rights, such as a 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:29.800]  So now it's your obligation, if you want to sustain your jurisdiction in this action,
[01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:33.800]  it's your job to show I'm a 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:39.800]  Now, the government has exactly no game in that whatsoever.
[01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:44.800]  If you look back at the United States Supreme Court cases,
[01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:48.800]  they have absolutely no argument that they can make
[01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:52.800]  that people like you or people like me are 14th Amendment citizens.
[01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:55.800]  And although the 14th Amendment, of course, as you well know,
[01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:02.800]  was created in order to gift the freed black slaves a form of citizenship,
[01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:07.800]  even if they were talking to a black man in 2017,
[01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:11.800]  they still can't prove he's a 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:17.800]  So, you know, I say, wait till they want to do X to you, whatever X is,
[01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:22.800]  and then say, if you believe it's only predicated on you being a 14th Amendment citizen
[01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:27.800]  with truncated legal rights, then say, oh, you're only able to approach me on this
[01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:32.800]  because you think I'm this. Prove it.
[01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:37.800]  So filing these affidavits generally is not going to stop an agency
[01:51:37.800 --> 01:51:40.800]  or the federal government or your state government or the county or the city or anything else
[01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:48.800]  from taking action against you under the presumption you're a 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:54.800]  I mean, if your county's Department Y sends you a letter saying you got to do this
[01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:57.800]  and you got to do that and you believe it's predicated on you,
[01:51:57.800 --> 01:51:59.800]  they believe you're a 14th Amendment citizen,
[01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:04.800]  they don't know about your affidavit in D.C. and nor do they care.
[01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:10.800]  Right. You would have to do one in each place based on that approach.
[01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:13.800]  Right. But my point is the person who decides they're going to send out the letter
[01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:18.800]  to harass you or demand that you do this or demand you stop doing that,
[01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:21.800]  they're not even going to know you filed such a letter.
[01:52:21.800 --> 01:52:26.800]  It's not like you file it like with your county recorder and suddenly your county,
[01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:30.800]  the chief administrator says, oh, hang on.
[01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:35.800]  We need to annotate this man's files and all of our agencies that he filed an affidavit.
[01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:39.800]  That doesn't happen. So fight it when it happens.
[01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:45.800]  Right. Right. Okay. There was other things.
[01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:49.800]  But, you know, if there's anyone else waiting to get on, I'll let them get on.
[01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:50.800]  All right, sir. Thanks for calling in.
[01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:51.800]  It's been generous of you. Thank you.
[01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:53.800]  Thank you. Thank you.
[01:52:53.800 --> 01:53:00.800]  All right. Now we've got Em in Texas. Em, what can we do for you?
[01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:02.800]  Hi, Eddie and Dave Chapman.
[01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:05.800]  Thank you both for the good work that you all do.
[01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:09.800]  Mine is kind of lengthy, so I'll try to get to it as quick as possible
[01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:16.800]  and leave a lot of the details out just to get to the facts.
[01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:20.800]  My father is a Vietnam veteran suffering from Agent Orange
[01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:24.800]  and full herniated disc. My brother's got cerebral palsies.
[01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:26.800]  He's got dyslexic seizures.
[01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:32.800]  I've got fecroheliac joint damage and dyadic nerve pains,
[01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:34.800]  arthritis in the shoulder from where they went
[01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:36.800]  and put a rod from the side of the elbow.
[01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:41.800]  Long story short, we're all medical marijuana users.
[01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:44.800]  I get pulled over in Menard County,
[01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:48.800]  and as soon as I get pulled over there are three sheriffs and a DPS
[01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:52.800]  who just left another car that they had pulled over.
[01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:56.800]  I get out of my car, lock the door, close it, and a guy comes up to me,
[01:53:56.800 --> 01:54:00.800]  tells me he pulls me over because of the snow covering my lysis plate,
[01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:03.800]  and then begins asking me where the marijuana is at.
[01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:07.800]  I tell him that I didn't understand the nature of the question,
[01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:09.800]  and I shut my mouth.
[01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:12.800]  Another sheriff came up behind me, put handcuffs on me,
[01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:15.800]  and they start reaching at the door trying to get in,
[01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:17.800]  saying that they're going to use a slim gem to get in.
[01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:21.800]  I told them that I needed to see a white time ward for them to get in,
[01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:23.800]  that I was not engaged in transportation or commerce.
[01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:28.800]  I did not understand what was going on or consent to anything.
[01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:34.800]  One of the deputies told the other one that the keys wasn't in the ignition.
[01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:38.800]  He told them that he said the keys were in the car.
[01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.800]  I said I never said that. They reached to my pocket.
[01:54:41.800 --> 01:54:43.800]  They grabbed my keys out, opened it.
[01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:46.800]  They found everything that was sitting there in the passenger seat,
[01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:48.800]  and they said I was going to jail.
[01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:50.800]  They threw me in the back of the car,
[01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:54.800]  took me to the sheriff's department where I stayed three hours
[01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:57.800]  in a three-by-five holding cell.
[01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:02.800]  Then I spent another 18 hours in a solitary confinement for 20 hours
[01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:07.800]  until a justice came and magistrated me out or bonded me out.
[01:55:07.800 --> 01:55:12.800]  Now, what I'm thinking my thesis would be, long story short,
[01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:17.800]  is prove the illegality of the warrantless arrest being the traffic stop
[01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:22.800]  and try to hit them with the proof of the Poison Tree Bucket Room.
[01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:25.800]  Well, you can always file a motion to suppress,
[01:55:25.800 --> 01:55:28.800]  stating that the search of the car was illegal.
[01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.800]  They never gave you any basis of probable cause
[01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:34.800]  in which to arrest you in the first place, correct?
[01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:37.800]  They said that the car smelled like marijuana.
[01:55:37.800 --> 01:55:39.800]  How would they know that if it was closed up
[01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:42.800]  and you were outside of it when they approached it?
[01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:43.800]  That's just what...
[01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:45.800]  Especially in a cold climate.
[01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:47.800] ...probable cause, exactly.
[01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:51.800]  Well, since his sense of smell is not admissible in a court of law,
[01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:56.800]  and the Supreme Court has recently ruled that an officer saying he smells marijuana
[01:55:56.800 --> 01:56:00.800]  does not establish probable cause...
[01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:01.800]  Bingo.
[01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:04.800] ...then they have a problem.
[01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:08.800]  Also, I never read my Miranda rights ever once.
[01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:10.800]  I don't know if that makes a difference.
[01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:12.800]  Well, it can.
[01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:16.800]  It depends on what else transpired, but it most certainly can.
[01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:18.800]  Well, I never said a word of anything.
[01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:19.800]  I just...
[01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:22.800]  As a matter of fact, I even had to tell them that I had money in my pocket
[01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:24.800]  before they put me in the cell.
[01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.800]  I never even got that down or anything.
[01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:27.800]  It just...
[01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:31.800]  It all wrapped up within less than 10 minutes.
[01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:35.800]  Yeah, you've definitely got an issue with a motion to suppress
[01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:39.800]  because the search was illegal, no warrant, no probable cause for it.
[01:56:39.800 --> 01:56:42.800]  No probable cause for the arrest.
[01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:47.800]  So there's a possibility you could even raise the issue of profiling
[01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:51.800]  depending upon whether or not these officers knew you from prior
[01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:54.800]  or because you are of a particular ethnicity
[01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:57.800]  or live in a certain part of town or whatever,
[01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:01.800]  and they just happen to know that.
[01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:02.800]  It's a small county.
[01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:05.800]  There are 2,000 people in the whole county.
[01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:08.800]  Dan, do you have anything you want to kick into that?
[01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:10.800]  No, I think you've covered it nicely.
[01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:13.800]  It's just one of these things that you know even better than I.
[01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:16.800]  You just have to break it down moment by moment, action by action,
[01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:20.800]  and isolate the legal elements.
[01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:23.800]  Exactly, and that's what we have right here.
[01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:30.800]  What were the weather conditions when you were stopped?
[01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:32.800]  It was somewhat clear.
[01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:33.800]  It was cold.
[01:57:33.800 --> 01:57:34.800]  Define cold.
[01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:36.800]  Give me a temperature.
[01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:38.800]  Oh, freezing outside.
[01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:42.800]  Snowfall or no snowfall?
[01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:44.800]  Previously snowfall.
[01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:46.800]  I had just come from an area where it was snowing.
[01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:47.800]  Okay.
[01:57:47.800 --> 01:57:51.800]  If it was that cold, odds are there was no ambient air temperature
[01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:56.800]  enough to make them even in any possible way olfactory sensitive
[01:57:56.800 --> 01:57:58.800]  to the scent of marijuana.
[01:57:58.800 --> 01:58:01.800]  Cold air would have been suppressing that.
[01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:04.800]  There's no way they could have smelled that from outside the car
[01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:07.800]  unless you had it going out through the tailpipe.
[01:58:07.800 --> 01:58:08.800]  Can I interrupt for one second?
[01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:09.800]  Sure.
[01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:15.800]  If people want my book, www.incometaxtruth.com.
[01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:20.800]  Absolutely, incometaxtruth.com, all right?
[01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:23.800]  Okay, yeah, do the most of the suppress and get busy on that,
[01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:25.800]  but I'm out of time, man.
[01:58:25.800 --> 01:58:28.800]  All right, folks, we want to thank you for all the callers
[01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:29.800]  and for all the listeners,
[01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:32.800]  and I especially want to thank Dave for being my special guest tonight,
[01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:35.800]  and I hope to have you on again in the near future
[01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:38.800]  and for this movie project.
[01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:41.800]  All right, folks, go ahead.
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