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[00:19.000 --> 00:42.000]  Markets for Wednesday, the 14th of December, 2016, are currently trading with gold at $1,143.78 an ounce, silver at $16.79 an ounce, Texas crude at $52.98 a barrel, and Bitcoin is currently sitting at about $778 U.S. currency.
[00:42.000 --> 00:54.000]  Today in history, the year 1958, the Third Soviet Antarctic Expedition becomes the first to reach the southern pole of inexistibility, the area calculated to be the furthest on the continent from the shoreline.
[00:54.000 --> 01:05.000]  It lies about 546 miles from the actual south pole, at an elevation of over 12,000 feet today in history.
[01:05.000 --> 01:23.000]  In recent news, for only the second time in a decade, the Federal Reserve will be raising interest rates. The Federal Reserve's interest rates setting committee said Wednesday today that it would raise interest rates by a quarter of a percentage point, that is between the 0.5, which it's currently at, up to 0.75.
[01:23.000 --> 01:44.000]  The Fed statement did say that, quote, the committee expects the economic conditions will evolve in a manner that will warrant only gradual increases in the federal funds rate, and that the federal funds rate is likely to remain for some time below levels that are expected to prevail in the long run.
[01:44.000 --> 02:02.000]  The Obama administration blocked states from cutting off federal grants to Planned Parenthood today. Wednesday, the executive rule stipulates that states may not prohibit an organization from participating in Title X, the state federal program that gives out tens of millions of dollars for family planning, for any reason other than the organization's ability to provide services.
[02:02.000 --> 02:09.000]  However, President-elect Donald Trump has pledged to support efforts to cut off public funding for Planned Parenthood, so long as they continue to offer abortions.
[02:09.000 --> 02:31.000]  He has also nominated as his Health and Human Services Secretary Representative Tom Price, who has also supported measures to defund Planned Parenthood, and Vice President-elect Indiana Governor Mike Pence is completely in favor of cutting off the group's taxpayer support, so we'll have to see if this executive rule will be overturned.
[02:31.000 --> 02:42.000]  Abdul Salam Abdul Razak, a military spokesperson for the Naur al-Din al-Zinki Syrian rebel group, told Reuters today that within hours the implementation of an evacuation agreement for Aleppo will begin.
[02:42.000 --> 02:54.000]  The deal included the evacuation of people from the villages of Fahua and Kefraya. Some 50,000 people, including militants and their families and whoever wants to leave among civilians, will be headed for the province of Idlib.
[02:54.000 --> 03:01.000]  This was Brooke Rode with your Lowdown for December 14, 2016.
[03:24.000 --> 03:38.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.000 --> 03:56.000]  When you were eight and you had bad traits, you'd go to school and learn the golden rule. So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get hot, then you must get cool. Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Bad boys, bad boys, bad boys.
[03:56.000 --> 04:13.000]  All right, bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you here on The Rule of Law? This is Deborah Stevens. I am here with Randy Kelton. And tonight is Thursday, December 15, 2016.
[04:13.000 --> 04:31.000]  And tonight we are going to give away our prizes from the 2016 Logos Radio Network fundraiser. Thank you very much, folks. You helped us reach our goal. And we are about to start another fundraiser at the beginning of January.
[04:31.000 --> 04:44.000]  We'll speak about this here in a minute. But in the meantime, we have our very special guest and sponsor, Mr. Michael Cargill, who is the owner of Central Texas Gunworks. He is the sponsor of our fundraisers.
[04:44.000 --> 05:01.000]  And he has offered two prizes. And we also have our second place winner, Tim W. We're not using last names here. Tim W. won the second place prize, the Taurus Curve. Our first place winner, Bob M., could not join us tonight.
[05:01.000 --> 05:19.000]  And it just gets to be a lot of juggling, so to speak, to try to get everyone coordinated to where everyone can be on the air at the same time. So I'm sorry, Bob M. cannot be with us tonight. But he is the winner of the first place prize, the Spike Skull Tactical Receiver.
[05:19.000 --> 05:28.000]  And so I want to congratulate our winners. And we're going to go to Michael now and then speak with Tim. Michael, thank you for joining us tonight.
[05:28.000 --> 05:40.000]  Absolutely. I'm happy to be here. Thank you so much. Why don't you tell us a little bit about these prizes that you have so generously donated to our fundraiser this year?
[05:40.000 --> 05:58.000]  Sure. The Spike Tactical, that AR lore receiver is actually a pretty, it's a new one released from Spike. It's actually the face of a skull, which is actually a little different as your typical lore receiver.
[05:58.000 --> 06:08.000]  Typically, your lore receivers are all the same. The only thing they change is just the logo. But this one actually has the shape of a skull. So that's why it's actually unique.
[06:08.000 --> 06:24.000]  And then the Torus Curve, you know, that's one of the nice concealed carry piece. If you want to get a handgun license and you want to concealed carry your handgun, the Torus Curve is a really good one because you can actually stick it in your pocket.
[06:24.000 --> 06:33.000]  And the way that's designed, you can pull a little string to pull it out of your pocket and get access to the firearm and use it to stop a threat.
[06:33.000 --> 06:38.000]  Pull a string to get it out of your pocket. Wow.
[06:38.000 --> 06:48.000]  So yeah, both of these firearms are actually unique types of firearms and that's why I chose them. They're very new to the gun community.
[06:48.000 --> 06:57.000]  That's excellent. That's excellent. Randy, I think we've got some background noise on your end a little bit. If you could kind of see what's going on over there.
[06:57.000 --> 07:06.000]  We're going to go now to Tim W., our winner of the Torus Curve. Tim, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
[07:06.000 --> 07:08.000]  Thank you, Debra, for having me.
[07:08.000 --> 07:12.000]  All right. So Tim, are you excited about your Torus Curve?
[07:12.000 --> 07:13.000]  Yes, ma'am.
[07:13.000 --> 07:24.000]  All right. Tim, why don't you tell us a little bit about how you found out about the show and how you started listening to us and what you have enjoyed?
[07:24.000 --> 07:30.000]  Well, it basically started with a legal battle just like everyone else that has.
[07:30.000 --> 07:40.000]  And with no place else to go and no real money to afford an attorney, you tend to have to look around for yourself and try to defend yourself.
[07:40.000 --> 07:55.000]  And through the process of YouTube and someone here and someone there, and as Eddie would like to say, the patron of community, it didn't really make too much sense to me to, you know, follow down that path.
[07:55.000 --> 08:03.000]  But Eddie, Randy, they make a whole lot of sense because they stay within the statutes and the law of Texas.
[08:03.000 --> 08:06.000]  Hold on one second. Randy, are you trying to say something?
[08:06.000 --> 08:07.000]  No.
[08:07.000 --> 08:12.000]  Oh, okay. All right. Because I hear it sounded like you were trying to say something. All right. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Tim.
[08:12.000 --> 08:20.000]  And I mean, they make a whole lot of sense because they break down the statutes and the laws of Texas, the constitutional part of it.
[08:20.000 --> 08:28.000]  I've also had my run around with credit companies and things like that, land and retail.
[08:28.000 --> 08:38.000]  Randy comes in pretty handy when it comes to, you know, housing, rescission, contract law.
[08:38.000 --> 08:46.000]  It's just a great place to get the information from. And I really do appreciate and thank you guys for everything that you do.
[08:46.000 --> 08:53.000]  And I would like to tell everybody else out there that, you know, you're not standing alone.
[08:53.000 --> 08:57.000]  You guys are here. You've done the fight. And it makes me feel better.
[08:57.000 --> 09:03.000]  When I'm standing in court and you have a judge, I mean, everybody else gets run out in the courtroom.
[09:03.000 --> 09:10.000]  It's just me, the judge, the prosecuting attorney, the cop, and the clerk.
[09:10.000 --> 09:14.000]  And they're all just wanting to tear you to pieces.
[09:14.000 --> 09:19.000]  It makes me feel better knowing that I'm not the only one in this fight.
[09:19.000 --> 09:23.000]  It's like punching a wall. You know, you just keep on punching a wall and punching a wall.
[09:23.000 --> 09:27.000]  And then finally it chips. And then you feel that little bit of relief.
[09:27.000 --> 09:34.000]  I kind of relate it to, it takes fire to make a sword.
[09:34.000 --> 09:43.000]  And when you're going to that courtroom, that's the fire. And you as a pro se litigant, you're the sword.
[09:43.000 --> 09:50.000]  And the longer you go in, the hotter it gets, the better pro se you're going to become.
[09:50.000 --> 09:57.000]  Tim, what kind of cases have you been involved with that our show has been able to help you with?
[09:57.000 --> 10:01.000]  Basically, it's just basic traffic violations here and there.
[10:01.000 --> 10:08.000]  I've had some credit issues and a couple of contract disputes.
[10:08.000 --> 10:11.000]  But mainly they were just basic traffic stop signs here.
[10:11.000 --> 10:17.000]  And I don't mind running a stop sign just to go to court for the experience and the practice of it.
[10:17.000 --> 10:23.000]  And as I'm standing up there in front of the jury trial or in front of the jury, I tell them, I say, hey, I'm not here for me.
[10:23.000 --> 10:28.000]  I'm really not because I could pay this $200 ticket, this $200 speeding ticket and be done with it.
[10:28.000 --> 10:37.000]  But now with this ticket plus jury fees and the overtime for the police officer, it becomes a $400 ticket.
[10:37.000 --> 10:43.000]  So I'm sitting up there and I'm telling the jury this and it really starts to connect with them.
[10:43.000 --> 10:47.000]  I still lose more often than I win.
[10:47.000 --> 10:53.000]  But that's in the trial itself until I carry to an appeal.
[10:53.000 --> 10:54.000]  Well, that's great, Tim.
[10:54.000 --> 10:57.000]  I'm so glad that our show has been able to help you.
[10:57.000 --> 11:11.000]  And we've got to take control of litigation that we're involved with and not just throw it up in the air to whatever attorney that may be assigned to us or that we may hire.
[11:11.000 --> 11:23.000]  We've got to keep our own attorneys under control and we've got to be involved in legislation surrounding issues that are important to us and most especially gun legislation.
[11:23.000 --> 11:37.000]  So, you know, I wanted to ask Michael, while we're on the topic of laws, what do you think about the recent or I guess semi recent gun legislation, this open carry and this sort of thing?
[11:37.000 --> 11:43.000]  What do you make of that, Michael, and what do you see on the horizon coming up?
[11:43.000 --> 11:49.000]  Well, Texas just passed an open carry that went into effect January the 1st of 2016.
[11:49.000 --> 11:56.000]  When I can see this coming session actually getting done, I can see us doing a little cleanup work,
[11:56.000 --> 12:05.000]  meaning that there's a possibility that the legislature may come up with a definition for what a holster is because right now no one knows what a holster is
[12:05.000 --> 12:17.000]  because in order to openly carry your handgun in Texas, right now you have to have a handgun license and that handgun must be in a holster, a holster that fits on your belt or a shoulder holster.
[12:17.000 --> 12:20.000]  Well, there's no definition of what a holster is.
[12:20.000 --> 12:30.000]  Well, you can actually screw in a clip on the side of your gun and use that clip that's on the gun to attach it to your belt and that is a holster.
[12:30.000 --> 12:44.000]  So I expected that this session they actually will come out with what a holster actually is and also there's a possibility that they may reduce the fees of the application.
[12:44.000 --> 12:52.000]  Right now there's a bill that's been filed to actually eliminate the fees in Texas for getting the handgun license.
[12:52.000 --> 13:06.000]  Well, I can't really see them actually eliminating fees altogether because the money they get from the handgun license program goes into the general fund which supports a lot of different things.
[13:06.000 --> 13:09.000]  So I can't see them giving up that much revenue.
[13:09.000 --> 13:14.000]  That's actually a lot of revenue because there are over a million license holders in Texas.
[13:14.000 --> 13:22.000]  So I can't see them giving up all that revenue of the renewals and saying, hey, we're not going to collect any of those fees at all.
[13:22.000 --> 13:28.000]  What I do see is them possibly reducing the amount that you're charged in order to get your handgun license.
[13:28.000 --> 13:35.000]  Instead of $140, I can see them maybe going down to $50 or something like that.
[13:35.000 --> 13:51.000]  So we're looking at those things there and there's some other things that we're tapping into to hopefully better the Second Amendment in Texas because Texas is really not as pro-Second Amendment as some people would think.
[13:51.000 --> 13:58.000]  We have a lot of work to do in Texas, a lot of things to get done to become that truly Second Amendment state.
[13:58.000 --> 14:01.000]  Well, Michael, what do you make of this holster thing?
[14:01.000 --> 14:13.000]  Is that a good thing that they would define it or is it better left to a holster is whatever we say it is in our own personal lives?
[14:13.000 --> 14:14.000]  What do you make of that?
[14:14.000 --> 14:16.000]  Which one is better?
[14:16.000 --> 14:26.000]  I think they need to define it because I don't want anyone to be the test case to have to go to court and possibly get charged, get convicted and all that stuff.
[14:26.000 --> 14:38.000]  So they need to really come up with some type of definition of what it really is because we don't want a judge to do it and then having that person have to pay the cost of what a holster is.
[14:38.000 --> 14:45.000]  So we need the legislature to actually regulate the use of firearms like they're supposed to according to the Texas Constitution.
[14:45.000 --> 14:55.000]  Yes, we need a definition of holster that we can use as an affirmative defense to an accusation.
[14:55.000 --> 14:59.000]  I say it's a holster and the cops say it's not a holster.
[14:59.000 --> 15:01.000]  I get convicted.
[15:01.000 --> 15:03.000]  Interesting. Right. Good point.
[15:03.000 --> 15:11.000]  Yes, because there are people that want to attach their gun underneath their steering wheel, their steering column.
[15:11.000 --> 15:16.000]  Well, you know, they say, well, there's a little magnet that I can get that I can attach my gun underneath the steering column.
[15:16.000 --> 15:21.000]  I tell people not to do that because that can be considered in the open.
[15:21.000 --> 15:30.000]  And if it's in the open, you know, attached to your steering column, then it needs to be in a holster attached to the steering column, a holster that fits on your belt, a shoulder holster.
[15:30.000 --> 15:39.000]  Because the way the law is right now, the way it's written, let's say I want to have my gun in the open sitting on the front seat of my vehicle.
[15:39.000 --> 15:48.000]  Well, now that the gun in the open sitting on the front seat of the vehicle, that gun needs to be in a holster sitting on the front seat.
[15:48.000 --> 15:52.000]  A holster that fits on your belt or a shoulder holster sitting on the front seat.
[15:52.000 --> 15:54.000]  And you have to have a handgun license.
[15:54.000 --> 15:59.000]  But what if I take that gun, that handgun, and I conceal it in the vehicle?
[15:59.000 --> 16:03.000]  Well, if it's concealed in the vehicle, then you don't need a handgun license.
[16:03.000 --> 16:08.000]  And then also it doesn't have to be any holster because it's concealed in the vehicle.
[16:08.000 --> 16:09.000]  Interesting.
[16:09.000 --> 16:10.000]  I think that makes sense.
[16:10.000 --> 16:11.000]  Yes, it does. It does.
[16:11.000 --> 16:17.000]  Yeah, I can see where there could be a problem the way things are without defining it.
[16:17.000 --> 16:19.000]  So, Tim, what do you think?
[16:19.000 --> 16:23.000]  Are you interested in having a concealed carry license?
[16:23.000 --> 16:30.000]  Or how do you plan to proceed in this environment, this legal environment?
[16:30.000 --> 16:35.000]  So my understanding is that the holster's concern, the curve, actually comes with a clip.
[16:35.000 --> 16:38.000]  So it should already be holstered on.
[16:38.000 --> 16:42.000]  Well, I'm kind of more of a constitutional carry guy.
[16:42.000 --> 16:48.000]  I kind of lean towards the fact that there's no difference between the First Amendment or the Second Amendment.
[16:48.000 --> 16:50.000]  All right. Well, listen, we are going to break.
[16:50.000 --> 16:54.000]  We can finish this up on the other side, and then we'll start taking calls.
[16:54.000 --> 16:57.000]  We're here with our winner, Tim W., and Michael Cargill.
[16:57.000 --> 17:12.000]  We'll be right back.
[17:27.000 --> 17:50.000]  All right.
[17:50.000 --> 18:00.000]  We'll be right back.
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[19:01.000 --> 19:22.000]  You are listening to the Logos Radio Network, the logosradionetwork.com.
[19:22.000 --> 19:37.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[19:37.000 --> 19:40.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[19:40.000 --> 19:43.000]  We're here with our special guest, Mr. Michael Cargill.
[19:43.000 --> 19:47.000]  He is the owner of Central Texas Gunworks, great gun shop.
[19:47.000 --> 19:49.000]  He has classes.
[19:49.000 --> 19:50.000]  You can get firearms there.
[19:50.000 --> 19:52.000]  He's got a show.
[19:52.000 --> 19:53.000]  Come and talk it.
[19:53.000 --> 20:00.000]  And that is every Saturday here on the Logos Radio Network from 10 to 11 a.m.
[20:00.000 --> 20:11.000]  It's actually a prerecord, but we are going to start doing a live show with live call-ins with Michael Cargill on Wednesdays from 5 to 6.
[20:11.000 --> 20:13.000]  That's in the works.
[20:13.000 --> 20:22.000]  We're putting that together, but in the meantime, you can listen to his prerecord archive from 10 to 11 on the Logos Radio Network.
[20:22.000 --> 20:24.000]  Come and talk it.
[20:24.000 --> 20:32.000]  So we are speaking also with our winner of the Taurus Curve, Mr. Tim W. from Texas.
[20:32.000 --> 20:36.000]  And you were just giving us your take on constitutional carry.
[20:36.000 --> 20:43.000]  Yes, yes. I just don't really see the difference between the First Amendment and the Second Amendment.
[20:43.000 --> 20:48.000]  Everyone should be able to carry a weapon, and it shouldn't be regulated regardless.
[20:48.000 --> 20:50.000]  I just believe that you have the right to.
[20:50.000 --> 20:51.000]  Not that I do that.
[20:51.000 --> 20:55.000]  I have my weapons all up in the house, and I don't really ride around with them.
[20:55.000 --> 20:57.000]  I'd probably get myself in trouble if I did.
[20:57.000 --> 20:59.000]  I've got a lot of road rage.
[20:59.000 --> 21:06.000]  But the thing is that I just think that there's no real difference between the two amendments.
[21:06.000 --> 21:10.000]  If you're allowed to do one, you should be allowed to do the other one without being licensed.
[21:10.000 --> 21:12.000]  What do you think about that, Michael?
[21:12.000 --> 21:21.000]  Should we even have any regulation on the carrying of firearms, such as concealed carry and this sort of thing?
[21:21.000 --> 21:24.000]  I actually like the way Vermont has it.
[21:24.000 --> 21:30.000]  In the state of Vermont, they are the only state in the United States that does not have a handgun license program at all.
[21:30.000 --> 21:33.000]  And they actually have constitutional carry.
[21:33.000 --> 21:38.000]  In Vermont, everyone can carry a handgun openly or concealed, and you don't need a license for it.
[21:38.000 --> 21:40.000]  That's what constitutional carry is.
[21:40.000 --> 21:42.000]  You don't need a handgun license.
[21:42.000 --> 21:46.000]  You don't need permission from the state to carry a firearm.
[21:46.000 --> 21:47.000]  You can actually have it.
[21:47.000 --> 21:54.000]  So there are some other states in the United States that are actually constitutional carry,
[21:54.000 --> 21:57.000]  but they started with a handgun license program first, like Arizona.
[21:57.000 --> 21:59.000]  There are a lot of different places.
[21:59.000 --> 22:02.000]  This year, we had Missouri become a constitutional carry state.
[22:02.000 --> 22:05.000]  But they started with a handgun license program first.
[22:05.000 --> 22:07.000]  Vermont said, you know what?
[22:07.000 --> 22:09.000]  The Constitution, that is our license.
[22:09.000 --> 22:12.000]  So for that, we like Vermont.
[22:12.000 --> 22:17.000]  So we got quite a ways to go before we have anything like that in Texas.
[22:17.000 --> 22:18.000]  Absolutely.
[22:18.000 --> 22:27.000]  Well, so Michael, you were going to tell us a story here about something that recently happened with your parents, you were saying, on the break.
[22:27.000 --> 22:28.000]  Yes.
[22:28.000 --> 22:33.000]  About 45 days ago, my parents were victims of a home invasion.
[22:33.000 --> 22:37.000]  My parents actually live outside of Atlanta, Georgia.
[22:37.000 --> 22:47.000]  And about 3 o'clock in the morning, three guys spent about 45 minutes to an hour trying to break into my parents' home while my parents were sleeping.
[22:47.000 --> 22:49.000]  It's a two-story home.
[22:49.000 --> 22:55.000]  And so they took all the little, I don't know, screens off the windows downstairs.
[22:55.000 --> 22:57.000]  They're trying to break into the downstairs of the home.
[22:57.000 --> 23:00.000]  They couldn't get inside the home without making a lot of noise.
[23:00.000 --> 23:10.000]  So what they did was they broke into the shed, took a ladder out of the shed, laid that ladder against the home, climbed onto the second floor of the home,
[23:10.000 --> 23:15.000]  and they crawled through a master bathroom window at 3 o'clock in the morning.
[23:15.000 --> 23:20.000]  When my father heard that noise, he looked over at my mother who was sleeping.
[23:20.000 --> 23:26.000]  He looked at the cat who's laying down sleeping between them, and the dog is locked up downstairs.
[23:26.000 --> 23:30.000]  He said, well, it's not the dog, it's not the cat, it's not my mother.
[23:30.000 --> 23:32.000]  So who's making that noise?
[23:32.000 --> 23:40.000]  So he walked into the master bathroom, and he looked around the corner, and there was a light being flash in his face.
[23:40.000 --> 23:46.000]  So then he looked again, and there was a guy crawling through the master bathroom window at 3 o'clock in the morning.
[23:46.000 --> 23:51.000]  He fired one single shot, shot him in the face, stopped him, killed him, dropped him right there.
[23:51.000 --> 23:52.000]  Whoa.
[23:52.000 --> 24:00.000]  The guy fell back, he landed on the roof of the home, and my mother jumped up, ran to the bathroom, and looked to see what happened,
[24:00.000 --> 24:06.000]  pulled the blinds down, and saw this guy lay on his back on the roof of the house, and he was gone.
[24:06.000 --> 24:12.000]  And so she immediately dialed 911, called the police, told them briefly what had happened, gave them a...
[24:12.000 --> 24:19.000]  said that, hey, this is my name, this is our address, this is what just happened, and he sent the paramedics and sent the police.
[24:19.000 --> 24:24.000]  And so then my mother hung up the phone, and she called me.
[24:24.000 --> 24:27.000]  When she called me, I went into straight instructor mode.
[24:27.000 --> 24:32.000]  I said, okay, is there anyone else inside the home?
[24:32.000 --> 24:33.000]  She said, no.
[24:33.000 --> 24:35.000]  I said, are you sure there's no one else inside the home?
[24:35.000 --> 24:37.000]  She said, no, no one else is inside the home.
[24:37.000 --> 24:38.000]  I said, okay.
[24:38.000 --> 24:40.000]  Now, did you dial 911, did you call the police?
[24:40.000 --> 24:41.000]  She said, yes.
[24:41.000 --> 24:42.000]  I said, so the police are on their way?
[24:42.000 --> 24:43.000]  She said, yes.
[24:43.000 --> 24:44.000]  I said, okay.
[24:44.000 --> 24:48.000]  Now, I want you to take the gun, I want you to go downstairs, and I want you to greet the police.
[24:48.000 --> 24:50.000]  I don't want you to make any statements at all.
[24:50.000 --> 24:51.000]  Remember, you have a right to remain silent.
[24:51.000 --> 24:54.000]  Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law.
[24:54.000 --> 24:57.000]  Do not make any statements to the police whatsoever.
[24:57.000 --> 24:58.000]  So she said, okay.
[24:58.000 --> 25:01.000]  And I said, what I'm going to do is I'm going to call my attorney, and then I'll call you right back.
[25:01.000 --> 25:03.000]  So then we hung up the phone.
[25:03.000 --> 25:13.000]  I called my attorney, which was four something in the morning, my time, who actually answered the phone, and then who contacted the attorney in Georgia, you know, and woke that attorney up.
[25:13.000 --> 25:16.000]  That attorney answered the phone and started taking care of the case.
[25:16.000 --> 25:20.000]  So about an hour had passed by, and I called my parents back to check up on them.
[25:20.000 --> 25:24.000]  When I went to check up on them, my mother was in the back of the police car.
[25:24.000 --> 25:25.000]  And so I said, okay.
[25:25.000 --> 25:28.000]  All I want you to do is say yes or no.
[25:28.000 --> 25:29.000]  So you're in the back of the police car?
[25:29.000 --> 25:30.000]  She said, yes.
[25:30.000 --> 25:31.000]  I said, okay.
[25:31.000 --> 25:33.000]  You have your cell phone?
[25:33.000 --> 25:34.000]  Yes.
[25:34.000 --> 25:35.000]  You're not in handcuffs?
[25:35.000 --> 25:36.000]  No.
[25:36.000 --> 25:37.000]  But you're going to the police station?
[25:37.000 --> 25:38.000]  Yes.
[25:38.000 --> 25:39.000]  I said, okay.
[25:39.000 --> 25:42.000]  While you're in that police car, do not make any statements whatsoever.
[25:42.000 --> 25:44.000]  Exercise your right to remain silent.
[25:44.000 --> 25:48.000]  I said, also, when you get to the police station, do not make any statements whatsoever.
[25:48.000 --> 25:50.000]  I don't care if you're there for an hour.
[25:50.000 --> 25:52.000]  I don't care if you're there for five hours.
[25:52.000 --> 25:54.000]  I don't care if you're there for 10 hours.
[25:54.000 --> 25:58.000]  Do not make any statements whatsoever to the police.
[25:58.000 --> 26:00.000]  You have a right to remain silent.
[26:00.000 --> 26:03.000]  Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
[26:03.000 --> 26:04.000]  She said, okay.
[26:04.000 --> 26:13.000]  I said, do not make any statements until either you see me walk through that door and I'm trying to book a 545 out of Austin, Texas into Atlanta right now,
[26:13.000 --> 26:15.000]  or until the attorney walks through that door.
[26:15.000 --> 26:16.000]  She said, okay.
[26:16.000 --> 26:18.000]  Then we hung up the phone.
[26:18.000 --> 26:22.000]  I actually missed my flight, but I contacted the attorney.
[26:22.000 --> 26:24.000]  The attorney in Georgia was over.
[26:24.000 --> 26:25.000]  He was taking care of everything.
[26:25.000 --> 26:27.000]  He had contacted DA's office.
[26:27.000 --> 26:29.000]  He was talking to the police department.
[26:29.000 --> 26:34.000]  He was actually in contact with everyone, and he was taking care of everything, which is great.
[26:34.000 --> 26:40.000]  It's a good thing because then, since I missed that flight, I pulled up my phone and I went to Twitter.
[26:40.000 --> 26:46.000]  When I went to Twitter, I found three news stations were outside my parents' home.
[26:46.000 --> 26:51.000]  They were doing a 6 a.m. news, and it was camped out all day long outside my parents' home.
[26:51.000 --> 26:59.000]  Now, this shooting happened at 3 o'clock in the morning, so the coroner did not show up to my parents' house until 7 a.m.
[26:59.000 --> 27:06.000]  And once they did their investigation, they did not remove the body from the house until 12 noon.
[27:06.000 --> 27:10.000]  That body laid there from 3 o'clock in the morning until 12 noon.
[27:10.000 --> 27:15.000]  And this is in the summertime, so this is in the Georgia hot sun on the roof of the house.
[27:15.000 --> 27:18.000]  And it was not like it is in the movies.
[27:18.000 --> 27:21.000]  They didn't cover the body or anything like that.
[27:21.000 --> 27:25.000]  That body laid on his back, and there was blood everywhere.
[27:25.000 --> 27:27.000]  There's blood coming out of his eyes.
[27:27.000 --> 27:30.000]  There's blood coming out of his nose, his mouth.
[27:30.000 --> 27:31.000]  There's brain fluid.
[27:31.000 --> 27:38.000]  There's blood everywhere, dripping all the way down the house, along the side of the house, onto the ground.
[27:38.000 --> 27:44.000]  And so it's a lot, you know, that it's a lot you have to deal with.
[27:44.000 --> 27:49.000]  My mother was, you know, she was excited, and it turned out that they did everything right.
[27:49.000 --> 27:52.000]  I didn't know the details of anything when they contacted me.
[27:52.000 --> 27:56.000]  All I know that they shot someone, that person had died, and they called the police.
[27:56.000 --> 28:02.000]  And so I was concerned about my parents and making sure that they were not going to get in trouble.
[28:02.000 --> 28:03.000]  But they did everything right.
[28:03.000 --> 28:06.000]  They followed everything to the letter of the law.
[28:06.000 --> 28:09.000]  The attorney took care of them and did, you know, did the speaking for them.
[28:09.000 --> 28:13.000]  My parents did not talk to the police, and they did everything correct.
[28:13.000 --> 28:17.000]  So I'm very grateful that my parents did what they wanted to do, because these guys,
[28:17.000 --> 28:22.000]  they planned on breaking into my parents' home, shooting and killing my parents.
[28:22.000 --> 28:26.000]  The one guy that went into the bathroom, he was going to kill my parents
[28:26.000 --> 28:29.000]  and then let the other guys into the home.
[28:29.000 --> 28:33.000]  And so, you know, this Thanksgiving, I was so grateful and so thankful
[28:33.000 --> 28:38.000]  that I can spend Thanksgiving with my parents, because I could have been planning a funeral.
[28:38.000 --> 28:41.000]  That is incredible, Michael.
[28:41.000 --> 28:46.000]  And your father had the gun with him when he went to check on the noise.
[28:46.000 --> 28:47.000]  That's really important.
[28:47.000 --> 28:51.000]  You don't want to go check on the noise first and then go get your gun,
[28:51.000 --> 28:54.000]  because you may not make it back.
[28:54.000 --> 28:59.000]  I think the definition of that is deterrence.
[28:59.000 --> 29:01.000]  That is amazing.
[29:01.000 --> 29:03.000]  That is an amazing story.
[29:03.000 --> 29:04.000]  Wow.
[29:04.000 --> 29:09.000]  The guy on the roof is definitely deterred from doing that again.
[29:09.000 --> 29:12.000]  And so are the buddies, and hopefully so is everything else.
[29:12.000 --> 29:17.000]  Did they take your father in as well?
[29:17.000 --> 29:21.000]  Yes, they took both of them in, and the reason they took them to the police station,
[29:21.000 --> 29:25.000]  what I found out later was because they got a warrant to search the entire home.
[29:25.000 --> 29:30.000]  They wanted to make sure that my parents weren't doing anything illegal, you know, to cause this.
[29:30.000 --> 29:34.000]  So they wanted to eliminate my parents as, you know, suspects or anything like that.
[29:34.000 --> 29:38.000]  So they searched the entire home at, oh, dark 30 in the morning.
[29:38.000 --> 29:43.000]  That is something that I totally disagree with,
[29:43.000 --> 29:49.000]  that they would get a warrant to search the home to make sure they hadn't done anything that caused this,
[29:49.000 --> 29:57.000]  when they should have been chasing down the other guys that were with the one that had climbed up on the roof.
[29:57.000 --> 29:58.000]  And I agree.
[29:58.000 --> 30:02.000]  Hold on, we'll be right back.
[30:02.000 --> 30:06.000]  Talk about California dream and Berkeley researchers have found a way to reconstruct
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[33:14.000 --> 33:19.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[33:19.000 --> 33:26.000]  Wow, this is an amazing story that I was not, I didn't know we were going to get this tonight.
[33:26.000 --> 33:27.000]  This is incredible.
[33:27.000 --> 33:29.000]  Folks, this is why we got to be prepared.
[33:29.000 --> 33:31.000]  This is why we have to be trained.
[33:31.000 --> 33:33.000]  This is amazing.
[33:33.000 --> 33:40.000]  And what we were discussing right before we went to the break is that I disagree that like almost the first thing they do,
[33:40.000 --> 33:46.000]  the cops do is get a warrant to search the house to see if the parents had done anything to cause this.
[33:46.000 --> 33:48.000]  Well, so what even if they did?
[33:48.000 --> 33:54.000]  The first thing they should have been doing is chasing down these other perps that were with the one that got shot.
[33:54.000 --> 33:58.000]  I mean, they obviously have the parents there with them.
[33:58.000 --> 34:04.000]  I mean, they could have at least kept them in the house, you know, quarantined them to one room or something.
[34:04.000 --> 34:12.000]  I'm also amazed that they let Michael's mother talk on the cell phone in the back of the police car.
[34:12.000 --> 34:15.000]  That's kind of amazing too.
[34:15.000 --> 34:19.000]  But I don't know what can be done to change some of these procedures.
[34:19.000 --> 34:26.000]  You know, it seems like, you know, you go and defend yourself and then they treat you as the criminal.
[34:26.000 --> 34:28.000]  I mean, I guess that's just standard fare.
[34:28.000 --> 34:31.000]  But I don't know what we can do to change that.
[34:31.000 --> 34:34.000]  There's got to be something that can be done to change that.
[34:34.000 --> 34:39.000]  But Randy, you were going to say something about you got to hand it to Michael's dad
[34:39.000 --> 34:44.000]  for keeping us cool and reacting properly in this kind of situation.
[34:44.000 --> 34:48.000]  Yes, and this goes to training.
[34:48.000 --> 34:56.000]  And if anybody is going to have a weapon, whether you have to be licensed or not, you need to take the training
[34:56.000 --> 35:01.000]  because his dad was comfortable in knowing what he had to do.
[35:01.000 --> 35:06.000]  And I've been in difficult situations with loaded weapons.
[35:06.000 --> 35:11.000]  And it's harder to shoot another human being than you would think.
[35:11.000 --> 35:21.000]  And we have a tendency to give the other person as much latitude as is possible.
[35:21.000 --> 35:31.000]  And your father had his wits about him and knew that in this situation, there's no room for latitude.
[35:31.000 --> 35:35.000]  He does not hesitate. He did what had to be done.
[35:35.000 --> 35:41.000]  I never feel like I really know someone until I've been in a really tight spot with them.
[35:41.000 --> 35:47.000]  I would be comfortable being in a tight spot with your dad.
[35:47.000 --> 35:48.000]  I appreciate that.
[35:48.000 --> 35:54.000]  And it's funny because when we train, when I train my parents, the last time my mother was here,
[35:54.000 --> 35:59.000]  I actually yelled at her and kicked her off the range and made her sit in the car.
[35:59.000 --> 36:07.000]  And I'm glad I'm like that. I'm glad that I do that because this incident at 3 something in the morning,
[36:07.000 --> 36:14.000]  getting up like that, it took 15 seconds and it was over in 15 seconds.
[36:14.000 --> 36:17.000]  So it was something that happened really quick.
[36:17.000 --> 36:25.000]  Michael, was this invader, was he armed with a firearm? He had a gun with him?
[36:25.000 --> 36:31.000]  I don't know what he, what I do know, I'm not sure about that, but what I do know is they did do a toxicology report
[36:31.000 --> 36:36.000]  and I did see, I did get some of that and he was not high.
[36:36.000 --> 36:40.000]  There was no drug use system. He was not drunk. There was no alcohol or anything like that.
[36:40.000 --> 36:48.000]  The other two guys that were with him, once the shot was fired and he dropped and fell back onto the roof of the house,
[36:48.000 --> 36:54.000]  on the first floor there, they ran around the back of the house and knocked down the gate,
[36:54.000 --> 36:58.000]  almost knocked down the entire fence to get out of the backyard.
[36:58.000 --> 37:02.000]  I bet they did. Did they ever get caught?
[37:02.000 --> 37:08.000]  No, but he did not catch them. And it's sad to say that the police are not even looking for them right now.
[37:08.000 --> 37:10.000]  And that's really sad.
[37:10.000 --> 37:13.000]  Yeah.
[37:13.000 --> 37:20.000]  Well, maybe they'll find one of them spread eagle on somebody's roof.
[37:20.000 --> 37:24.000]  Wow, that is just incredible.
[37:24.000 --> 37:30.000]  But it is incredible that the dad did what had to be done with no hesitation.
[37:30.000 --> 37:37.000]  Yeah, and I try to remind you, it does, and all this, there's a lot that comes into play with this.
[37:37.000 --> 37:42.000]  You have to remember that because you're going to witness this. This is going to affect you.
[37:42.000 --> 37:45.000]  My parents actually couldn't eat for about 30 days after this happened.
[37:45.000 --> 37:50.000]  Also, every noise that they heard inside the home, they had to get up and go investigate.
[37:50.000 --> 37:57.000]  It got to the point where they did not want one spouse to be downstairs while the other spouse was upstairs.
[37:57.000 --> 38:01.000]  They wanted to be on the same floor in the same room for quite a while.
[38:01.000 --> 38:12.000]  It's a long time. It's two months for them to be able to actually be separated from each other in the house.
[38:12.000 --> 38:19.000]  So that was very difficult. And so now Thanksgiving, they were actually almost back to normal.
[38:19.000 --> 38:23.000]  And we actually had to give them counseling, had to go have them see a therapist.
[38:23.000 --> 38:27.000]  So an incident like this, it does affect you.
[38:27.000 --> 38:32.000]  Even though you're happy that you're alive, you're happy that you stopped that person because they could have killed you.
[38:32.000 --> 38:36.000]  But you have to remember, you just took someone's life.
[38:36.000 --> 38:41.000]  You actually shot someone, you killed them, and that's going to affect you.
[38:41.000 --> 38:49.000]  That's an incredibly big deal. It's in our genes. That is an absolute forbidden in our genes.
[38:49.000 --> 39:02.000]  While we can kill other people, there may be a portion of the people that are psychopaths that don't have those genes.
[39:02.000 --> 39:07.000]  But the rest of us do. And killing another human being takes a horrible toll.
[39:07.000 --> 39:14.000]  Well, I hope that this is a lesson to all the bad guys out there that have heard about this,
[39:14.000 --> 39:19.000]  that you go trying to break into somebody's house, it just may be the last thing you ever do.
[39:19.000 --> 39:22.000]  I mean, you just don't go doing that.
[39:22.000 --> 39:34.000]  I mean, when I first heard you telling this story, I was thinking, man, that takes a lot of nerve to not only go breaking somebody's house,
[39:34.000 --> 39:40.000]  pulling screens off, and then it ain't working out, and you're making too much noise.
[39:40.000 --> 39:47.000]  But how about I go get a ladder? How about I go get a ladder and climb up to the second floor,
[39:47.000 --> 39:57.000]  because I might be able to find a better window? I mean, what? I just can't even fathom what's going through somebody's mind,
[39:57.000 --> 40:00.000]  that they would think that that is okay.
[40:00.000 --> 40:07.000]  So I take it this guy was not a rocket scientist?
[40:07.000 --> 40:17.000]  No, he was not. And the sad thing is, when the media was actually interviewing people in the neighborhood,
[40:17.000 --> 40:25.000]  they interviewed someone in his family, and his family members said they wanted to know why my parents didn't give him a warning.
[40:25.000 --> 40:27.000]  What?
[40:27.000 --> 40:33.000]  Yes, they wanted to know why they didn't give him a warning. They should have warned him before they pulled the trigger.
[40:33.000 --> 40:39.000]  Maybe because he had a gun, and maybe your dad is lucky that he didn't get shot first.
[40:39.000 --> 40:48.000]  And that's the thing about training. That's the thing about the training. He had the weapon. He knew how the weapon functioned.
[40:48.000 --> 40:56.000]  He was comfortable that if he used it, it would have an effect. And he knew better than to screw around with this guy.
[40:56.000 --> 41:04.000]  I mean, and your dad very well could have gotten shot first because the invader had the flashlight. Okay?
[41:04.000 --> 41:14.000]  I mean, what a question. I mean, I understand that people would be just absolutely devastated the loss of their son.
[41:14.000 --> 41:21.000]  But come on, think about it. Wow. Well, I am so thankful that your parents made it through this,
[41:21.000 --> 41:31.000]  and that they're still alive, and thankful that you're here, Michael, that you train them, and that you're here to train others.
[41:31.000 --> 41:35.000]  Yeah, and give your dad an ad-boy for me.
[41:35.000 --> 41:44.000]  Absolutely. Yeah, I had to go there at Thanksgiving to add some lighting around the house, also update their security system,
[41:44.000 --> 41:49.000]  because the cameras and everything, because we already have cameras at the house. So that's another thing.
[41:49.000 --> 41:53.000]  We were able to see a lot of this on their security cameras. Wow.
[41:53.000 --> 41:58.000]  So that's another thing that was even more frightening, because you can see the detail
[41:58.000 --> 42:04.000]  and the amount of time that they took to try to break into the home, because we can see all that on security cameras.
[42:04.000 --> 42:16.000]  So, and I went in, I updated their cameras. I updated their DVR, added new cameras to the house, added some extra cameras and better, a lot of stuff.
[42:16.000 --> 42:21.000]  So I wanted to be able to monitor it on my cell phone so I can see everything.
[42:21.000 --> 42:28.000]  So now I can see and control everything from my phone at their house. So I'm very protective of my parents.
[42:28.000 --> 42:35.000]  It was a good chance that the word has gotten out. Don't break into this house.
[42:35.000 --> 42:40.000]  Yeah, really, really. Well, so Tim, what do you make of that?
[42:40.000 --> 42:49.000]  I think the guy that, or the guys that were trying to break in, they basically took their life in their own hand as soon as they tried to do it.
[42:49.000 --> 43:00.000]  I'm ex-military and I've had quite a few combat tours. And you're right, Randy, it does take a special person to ignore something like that.
[43:00.000 --> 43:11.000]  I'm still not quite over it myself. But let me tell you, I'm only 40 years out. You won't get over it.
[43:11.000 --> 43:14.000]  Go ahead, Tim.
[43:14.000 --> 43:21.000]  The guys basically, like I said, took their lives in their own hands by trying to break in.
[43:21.000 --> 43:27.000]  And they basically surrendered it to Michael's father by trying to do that.
[43:27.000 --> 43:35.000]  Now, what happened to it after that point, it was completely out of his hands because he has to protect his wife and his family that he loves.
[43:35.000 --> 43:41.000]  And that's the only way he can do it. You can't fight. I'm guessing he's old, but he can't fight.
[43:41.000 --> 43:43.000]  Hey, hey, hey, easy on that old stuff.
[43:43.000 --> 43:48.000]  Hey, like I said, he could have gotten shot first. It's not even about the age issue.
[43:48.000 --> 43:51.000]  All right, listen, we're going to break. We'll be right back on the other side.
[43:51.000 --> 44:02.000]  We're here with our winner, Tim W., and our special guest, Mr. Michael Cargill. We'll be right back.
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[46:20.000 --> 46:22.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[46:22.000 --> 46:23.000]  This is the rule of law.
[46:23.000 --> 46:27.000]  We're here with our winner, Tim W., and our very special guest,
[46:27.000 --> 46:31.000]  Mr. Michael Cargill of Central Texas Gunworks, our sponsor.
[46:31.000 --> 46:34.000]  And we do appreciate you being our sponsor, Michael.
[46:34.000 --> 46:37.000]  So I wanted to just finish getting Tim's take here.
[46:37.000 --> 46:44.000]  So Tim, please continue your thought here, your take on what happened.
[46:44.000 --> 46:47.000]  Well, like I was saying, I mean, that's pretty much the end of my thought,
[46:47.000 --> 46:50.000]  was these guys jumped in front of the train all by themselves.
[46:50.000 --> 46:53.000]  The train couldn't stop after that point.
[46:53.000 --> 46:57.000]  I wouldn't dare fault anybody but those guys.
[46:57.000 --> 46:59.000]  They did that to themselves.
[46:59.000 --> 47:04.000]  And you're right, they do need the training with weapons and how to defend themselves.
[47:04.000 --> 47:06.000]  And obviously, he's a pretty good shot.
[47:06.000 --> 47:08.000]  So you trained him very well.
[47:08.000 --> 47:10.000]  Yeah, good job, Michael.
[47:10.000 --> 47:14.000]  Yeah, he was comfortable enough to only take one shot.
[47:14.000 --> 47:15.000]  Yes, sir.
[47:15.000 --> 47:21.000]  I would have probably emptied the clip.
[47:21.000 --> 47:23.000]  Wow.
[47:23.000 --> 47:28.000]  Well, I guess he heard him crash through the window onto the roof,
[47:28.000 --> 47:34.000]  and he realized he didn't need any more shots after that one.
[47:34.000 --> 47:35.000]  Wow.
[47:35.000 --> 47:38.000]  But I did have a question.
[47:38.000 --> 47:42.000]  I don't own guns, so I don't get into that area much.
[47:42.000 --> 47:45.000]  I don't talk about it on the show very much.
[47:45.000 --> 47:49.000]  And we've had some really interesting new laws recently in Texas.
[47:49.000 --> 47:56.000]  Can you kind of bring us up to speed on what we need to understand
[47:56.000 --> 48:00.000]  about the recent changes in the gun laws?
[48:00.000 --> 48:03.000]  Okay, yeah, there's quite a bit of stuff that actually changed.
[48:03.000 --> 48:09.000]  And the one thing is the name of the license has actually changed from a CHL,
[48:09.000 --> 48:13.000]  a concealed handgun license in Texas, they changed it to an LTC,
[48:13.000 --> 48:15.000]  license to carry handgun.
[48:15.000 --> 48:18.000]  And that was as of January the 1st of 2016.
[48:18.000 --> 48:22.000]  So that means that a person with a handgun license from Texas,
[48:22.000 --> 48:27.000]  the LTC, license to carry handgun, or a handgun license from another state,
[48:27.000 --> 48:32.000]  will be able to openly carry or concealed carry their handgun in Texas.
[48:32.000 --> 48:37.000]  If your handgun is concealed, the law doesn't say it has to be in a holster,
[48:37.000 --> 48:40.000]  but your gun should always be in a holster.
[48:40.000 --> 48:43.000]  But if you're going to openly carry that handgun in Texas,
[48:43.000 --> 48:46.000]  it needs to be in a holster, a holster that fits on your belt,
[48:46.000 --> 48:50.000]  or you show the holster if you're going to openly carry that handgun.
[48:50.000 --> 48:53.000]  And then another thing that changed was campus carry.
[48:53.000 --> 48:57.000]  Campus carry went into effect August the 1st of 2016.
[48:57.000 --> 49:03.000]  Now, campus carry, what that is, that is a person with a handgun license
[49:03.000 --> 49:09.000]  as of August 1st of 2016 can now carry a handgun concealed
[49:09.000 --> 49:12.000]  inside the building of a college campus.
[49:12.000 --> 49:17.000]  Now, the difference between what happened August the 1st
[49:17.000 --> 49:22.000]  versus prior to August the 1st, prior to August the 1st,
[49:22.000 --> 49:27.000]  a person with a handgun license, and actually you could have a handgun concealed
[49:27.000 --> 49:30.000]  and be on the streets, sidewalks, walkways, parks, and lots of garages
[49:30.000 --> 49:31.000]  of a college campus.
[49:31.000 --> 49:35.000]  So you could say, you know, you can walk outside the campus,
[49:35.000 --> 49:38.000]  on the campus grounds there, with a handgun license,
[49:38.000 --> 49:40.000]  with a handgun concealed.
[49:40.000 --> 49:44.000]  But as of August the 1st, you can now, that same person,
[49:44.000 --> 49:48.000]  can now walk into the building with a concealed handgun,
[49:48.000 --> 49:50.000]  with a handgun license.
[49:50.000 --> 49:53.000]  Now, the way our laws work here in Texas,
[49:53.000 --> 49:56.000]  everywhere that you can conceal carry your handgun,
[49:56.000 --> 49:59.000]  you can now openly carry your handgun.
[49:59.000 --> 50:01.000]  Everywhere you can conceal carry your handgun,
[50:01.000 --> 50:06.000]  you can openly carry your handgun except for a college campus.
[50:06.000 --> 50:10.000]  You cannot openly carry your handgun on a college campus,
[50:10.000 --> 50:14.000]  not even on the streets, sidewalks, walkways, parks, and lots of garages.
[50:14.000 --> 50:18.000]  Now, the legislature, what they also did was,
[50:18.000 --> 50:22.000]  they also changed the punishment a little bit.
[50:22.000 --> 50:26.000]  So let's say I wanted to carry my handgun in a coffee shop,
[50:26.000 --> 50:29.000]  and I have a handgun license, I want to carry concealed.
[50:29.000 --> 50:34.000]  But then I notice that in the coffee shop, they have a 30.06 sign.
[50:34.000 --> 50:38.000]  A 30.06 sign is a sign that says that a person with a handgun license
[50:38.000 --> 50:40.000]  cannot carry concealed.
[50:40.000 --> 50:46.000]  So in that coffee shop, the punishment, if I carry anyway,
[50:46.000 --> 50:50.000]  has now been reduced to a Class C misdemeanor,
[50:50.000 --> 50:52.000]  not to exceed a $200 fine.
[50:52.000 --> 50:57.000]  If I get convicted of that Class C, I can still keep my hand in line.
[50:57.000 --> 51:00.000]  Now, the tricky thing about this is,
[51:00.000 --> 51:04.000]  if it falls under the Texas Penal Code 46035,
[51:04.000 --> 51:08.000]  so if it falls under 46.035, the Texas Penal Code,
[51:08.000 --> 51:14.000]  where it's alcohol is involved, or it's at a sporting event,
[51:14.000 --> 51:21.000]  or it's at a church, a hospital, an amusement park,
[51:21.000 --> 51:27.000]  if it's any of those, if it's mentioned in 46035,
[51:27.000 --> 51:31.000]  and they post a 30.06 sign or a 30.07 sign,
[51:31.000 --> 51:37.000]  then the punishment is actually a Class A misdemeanor.
[51:37.000 --> 51:41.000]  If you get convicted of that, you lose your license for seven years.
[51:41.000 --> 51:48.000]  Now, also, they created what we call an extra sign.
[51:48.000 --> 51:53.000]  So now that we have open carry, they also created a sign of 30.07 sign,
[51:53.000 --> 51:56.000]  which means that a person cannot open carry.
[51:56.000 --> 52:00.000]  So the way this stuff works is, now, if you're going to,
[52:00.000 --> 52:03.000]  I want to go to Applebee's, and when I go to Applebee's,
[52:03.000 --> 52:07.000]  I notice that, hey, the owner of Applebee's has decided that
[52:07.000 --> 52:09.000]  they don't want me to carry in there.
[52:09.000 --> 52:11.000]  They don't want any handgems at all.
[52:11.000 --> 52:14.000]  In order for them to say that they don't want any handgems at all,
[52:14.000 --> 52:19.000]  they're going to have to post a 30.06 sign or a 30.07, I'm sorry,
[52:19.000 --> 52:21.000]  and a 30.07 sign.
[52:21.000 --> 52:24.000]  They have to actually post both signs.
[52:24.000 --> 52:28.000]  The one sign that says you cannot conceal carry is a 30.06,
[52:28.000 --> 52:31.000]  and the other sign that says you cannot openly carry your handgun
[52:31.000 --> 52:34.000]  is a 30.07 sign.
[52:34.000 --> 52:37.000]  They have to post both of those signs to say no handguns at all.
[52:37.000 --> 52:42.000]  Now, if a person did not want you to openly carry your handgun,
[52:42.000 --> 52:44.000]  they just, they want, you can conceal carry,
[52:44.000 --> 52:46.000]  but they don't want you to openly carry it.
[52:46.000 --> 52:49.000]  They would just post a 30.07 sign.
[52:49.000 --> 52:54.000]  But always keep in mind that businesses, which is private property,
[52:54.000 --> 52:58.000]  they do have private, you know, they do have property owners' rights.
[52:58.000 --> 53:04.000]  So they can prohibit you from carrying by just giving you verbal notice.
[53:04.000 --> 53:07.000]  So they can tell you verbally, you know, the employee,
[53:07.000 --> 53:11.000]  the ticket taker at the movie theater, or the security officer
[53:11.000 --> 53:14.000]  that's working for the business can give you verbal notice
[53:14.000 --> 53:16.000]  to tell you that you cannot carry.
[53:16.000 --> 53:21.000]  So they'll either have to give you verbal notice or post one of the signs.
[53:21.000 --> 53:25.000]  And we're very picky about those signs in the state of Texas.
[53:25.000 --> 53:28.000]  The 30.06 sign and the 30.07 sign,
[53:28.000 --> 53:31.000]  it's got to be a sign that's specific warning,
[53:31.000 --> 53:33.000]  and that's in the Texas penal code.
[53:33.000 --> 53:38.000]  It needs to be the exact warning, and it needs to be block letters,
[53:38.000 --> 53:41.000]  one inch in height, visible to the public,
[53:41.000 --> 53:44.000]  in English and Spanish, and contrasting colors.
[53:44.000 --> 53:48.000]  The English needs to be exact wording, that's in the Texas penal code,
[53:48.000 --> 53:51.000]  but the Spanish can be left out to interpretation.
[53:51.000 --> 53:55.000]  So we're very picky about our signs here in the state of Texas.
[53:55.000 --> 53:59.000]  And so those are just some of the things that have changed just this year
[53:59.000 --> 54:04.000]  in the Texas penal code as far as kingdoms are concerned.
[54:04.000 --> 54:08.000]  So that's a fair warning.
[54:08.000 --> 54:10.000]  I'm glad you went through that,
[54:10.000 --> 54:15.000]  because I certainly wouldn't have understood those distinctions.
[54:15.000 --> 54:23.000]  Is there anything else in particular if we intend to either open or conceal carry?
[54:23.000 --> 54:28.000]  What are the things that are likely to sneak up on you
[54:28.000 --> 54:33.000]  that a reasonable person of ordinary prudence wouldn't necessarily know about
[54:33.000 --> 54:36.000]  until they've already ran into a situation?
[54:36.000 --> 54:39.000]  Is there anything we'd have to look for there?
[54:39.000 --> 54:44.000]  Man, you're actually really good, because activity.
[54:44.000 --> 54:48.000]  Let's say I'm at McDonald's, and I'm eating lunch at McDonald's,
[54:48.000 --> 54:50.000]  and I have my handgun license, I have my gun on me,
[54:50.000 --> 54:53.000]  I'm inside McDonald's, I'm eating lunch.
[54:53.000 --> 54:57.000]  Now let's say a school bus pulls up in the parking lot of the McDonald's there,
[54:57.000 --> 55:00.000]  and kids get off that school bus, they walk inside McDonald's,
[55:00.000 --> 55:04.000]  they're on a field trip, a school-sponsored activity.
[55:04.000 --> 55:09.000]  Just because they're on that field trip, they go inside McDonald's to eat lunch,
[55:09.000 --> 55:12.000]  now I need to leave with that gun,
[55:12.000 --> 55:16.000]  because you're not supposed to be around any school activities with any weapons at all.
[55:16.000 --> 55:18.000]  It's a felony.
[55:18.000 --> 55:21.000]  And that's something that's going to have to be cleaned up in the next session.
[55:21.000 --> 55:24.000]  We're going to have to address that, because in Houston,
[55:24.000 --> 55:27.000]  after Houston Zoo or some other places,
[55:27.000 --> 55:30.000]  they're using that activity clause to say,
[55:30.000 --> 55:34.000]  hey, every day there's a school field trip at the Houston Zoo.
[55:34.000 --> 55:36.000]  Because there's a school field trip,
[55:36.000 --> 55:42.000]  no license holder can carry a handgun inside the Houston Zoo.
[55:42.000 --> 55:46.000]  Now, I brought this up to the Texas legislature earlier this year.
[55:46.000 --> 55:49.000]  I said, there's a problem with activities in the way we have it written in the laws,
[55:49.000 --> 55:52.000]  and we really need to address that in 2017.
[55:52.000 --> 55:54.000]  They asked me, well, what are you talking about?
[55:54.000 --> 55:57.000]  I said, okay, in the Texas State Capitol,
[55:57.000 --> 56:00.000]  they actually have two different lines in the Texas State Capitol.
[56:00.000 --> 56:05.000]  They have a metal detector line where your non-license holders go through.
[56:05.000 --> 56:07.000]  You go through the metal detector.
[56:07.000 --> 56:13.000]  Then they have a handgun license line where your handgun license holders go through.
[56:13.000 --> 56:16.000]  You have to show the trooper at the door your handgun license.
[56:16.000 --> 56:19.000]  That trooper swipes your license or information shows up on that screen there,
[56:19.000 --> 56:23.000]  and then you go into the Texas State Capitol with your handgun.
[56:23.000 --> 56:27.000]  Now, we're at the Texas State Capitol earlier this year, and we're on the Senate floor.
[56:27.000 --> 56:29.000]  I said, okay.
[56:29.000 --> 56:32.000]  Here we are on the Senate floor, and I was testifying before one of the committees.
[56:32.000 --> 56:36.000]  I said, there are a bunch of state senators in this room right now.
[56:36.000 --> 56:38.000]  They all have their guns on them.
[56:38.000 --> 56:41.000]  There are a bunch of license holders in this room right now,
[56:41.000 --> 56:43.000]  and they all have their guns on them.
[56:43.000 --> 56:45.000]  There are also a bunch of state reps in this building.
[56:45.000 --> 56:48.000]  They all have their guns on them.
[56:48.000 --> 56:52.000]  Downstairs, there are three school field trips in this building right now.
[56:52.000 --> 56:55.000]  That means that everyone that's carrying a gun should take their gun
[56:55.000 --> 56:59.000]  and put it in their vehicle because we're all committing a felony.
[56:59.000 --> 57:03.000]  They were like, oh, shit.
[57:03.000 --> 57:09.000]  When I laid it out to them that way, they said, okay, we're going to address this in 2017
[57:09.000 --> 57:13.000]  because the Texas legislature only meets an odd year,
[57:13.000 --> 57:17.000]  so they can't do anything about it until 2017, January to June.
[57:17.000 --> 57:19.000]  That's excellent.
[57:19.000 --> 57:20.000]  Good work, Michael.
[57:20.000 --> 57:21.000]  Good work.
[57:21.000 --> 57:25.000]  We really appreciate it.
[57:25.000 --> 57:34.000]  Is that the only trap that's laying out there for us?
[57:34.000 --> 57:36.000]  And the alcohol, which has always been there.
[57:36.000 --> 57:43.000]  So if you're a license holder, it's a really tricky one as far as being a license holder and not a license holder.
[57:43.000 --> 57:46.000]  So let's say I'm not a license holder.
[57:46.000 --> 57:48.000]  Let's say I have a gun in my vehicle.
[57:48.000 --> 57:50.000]  My gun is concealed in the vehicle.
[57:50.000 --> 57:54.000]  And let's say I go to a bar or go somewhere and I have a couple drinks.
[57:54.000 --> 57:56.000]  I get into my vehicle.
[57:56.000 --> 57:58.000]  I've had a couple drinks.
[57:58.000 --> 58:02.000]  My gun is in the vehicle, but I'm not a license holder.
[58:02.000 --> 58:08.000]  In order to get in trouble with that, it has to be.08.
[58:08.000 --> 58:10.000]  And that could be a Class B misdemeanor.
[58:10.000 --> 58:13.000]  You can get a DWI if you're a.08.
[58:13.000 --> 58:15.000]  But let's say...
[58:15.000 --> 58:16.000]  Well, hold on one second.
[58:16.000 --> 58:17.000]  We're going to break.
[58:17.000 --> 58:20.000]  I want to finish this on the other side, and I have a question too.
[58:20.000 --> 58:23.000]  We can start taking calls in the next segment.
[58:23.000 --> 58:26.000]  I see we have Olivier from Tennessee on the line.
[58:26.000 --> 58:27.000]  Just stay right there.
[58:27.000 --> 58:29.000]  Tim is also with us, the winner.
[58:29.000 --> 58:31.000]  Jeff from Mississippi.
[58:31.000 --> 58:32.000]  I see that you dropped off.
[58:32.000 --> 58:35.000]  If you want to call back in, we'll get your call on the other side as well.
[58:35.000 --> 58:38.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[58:38.000 --> 58:43.000]  We're here with Michael Cargill, Central Texas Gunworks, and the winner of our gun giveaway, Tim W.
[58:43.000 --> 58:50.000]  We'll be right back.
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[01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:33.000]  We are here on this Thursday, December 15th, 2016.
[01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:38.000]  We're here with our very special guest, Mr. Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gunworks,
[01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:46.000]  and also with the winner of one of the winners of our 2016 gun giveaway, Tim W.
[01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.000]  We're going to get his take on some of this stuff in a moment.
[01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:54.000]  But Randy was asking about what are some of the pitfalls that we should be aware of,
[01:03:54.000 --> 01:04:02.000]  and Michael just explained a very good one about school field trips showing up to where you may happen to be,
[01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:10.000]  where you're perfectly in your right to carry concealed or otherwise licensed.
[01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:18.000]  And so then now, Michael, you were also talking about some kind of situation regarding establishments that sell alcohol.
[01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.000]  Can you please, why don't you back up and start over again,
[01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:25.000]  because we were just heading up into the break when you started talking about that.
[01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.000]  Sure, absolutely.
[01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:33.000]  So let's say I'm in my vehicle, and I go into a restaurant and have a couple of drinks,
[01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:40.000]  and I have a gun, a handgun in my vehicle, and I get pulled over by the police.
[01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  So if I have a gun in the vehicle, I don't have a license, but I've had a couple of drinks,
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:52.000]  I would have to be.08 in order to get in trouble, and that's a DWI if you're over.08.
[01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:58.000]  Now, once you get your handgun license, your handgun license holder, and you have a gun on you or in the vehicle,
[01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:02.000]  whether you're walking or in a vehicle, but let's say we're in the vehicle,
[01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:07.000]  and I go into a bar, I have a couple of drinks, I have a gun in my vehicle, I'm a license holder,
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:12.000]  I pull out in the parking lot there, and APD or police department pulls me over.
[01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:17.000]  There is no legal limit at all once you're a license holder who's carrying a gun.
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:22.000]  So there's no.08, no.07, no.06, no.05, no.04. There's no limit.
[01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:29.000]  If an officer determines that you're intoxicated, the charge is unlawfully carrying and is a Class A misdemeanor.
[01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:32.000]  It's higher than a regular DWI.
[01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:42.000]  Well, that sounds like a big trap because what that means to me is that if you had one drink,
[01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.000]  they could say you were intoxicated.
[01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:49.000]  Right, and intoxication is not just alcohol. It can be anything.
[01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:55.000]  It can be prescription medicine. It can be anything, not just alcohol.
[01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:03.000]  So, Michael, is this another pitfall trap that we're going to try to get fixed this next legislative session,
[01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:10.000]  that there should be a set limit here because otherwise I can see it coming.
[01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  The police are just going to set people up, and if you've had one drink, anything at all, you're going to lose your license.
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:27.000]  Exactly, and if a non-license holder can do the same thing and be under.08, and they're fine,
[01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:32.000]  but once you're a license holder, you're carrying a gun, then you're held to a much higher standard.
[01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:38.000]  So that's something that needs to be addressed in the legislature, and hopefully this next session we will do that.
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000]  Go ahead.
[01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:48.000]  You have to be careful, and even if you're walking, let's say I decided to walk down 6th Street or walk down
[01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:52.000]  Congress Avenue and go into a restaurant, and I'm a license holder.
[01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  I'm carrying my handgun, and I walk into that restaurant there, and I have a couple drinks.
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.000]  I come out of the restaurant. Let's say I knock over a trash can.
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:08.000]  Officer stops me and says, whoa, I think you're intoxicated. You're a license holder carrying a handgun,
[01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:14.000]  then it's unlawfully carrying, and you're walking. That is a Class A misdemeanor, and you're walking.
[01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:19.000]  But let's say you did not have a handgun license, and you didn't have a gun on you,
[01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:23.000]  but you went into a restaurant, had a couple drinks, came out of the restaurant there, you're walking down the street,
[01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:27.000]  knocked over a trash can. Officer stops you and says, whoa, I think you're intoxicated.
[01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:31.000]  Public intoxication is a Class C misdemeanor.
[01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  For the license holder carrying a gun, that's a Class A.
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:41.000]  Wow. So that kind of leads into my next question, which is what, under the law,
[01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:49.000]  can someone do as far as carrying in this state who does not have a license?
[01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:54.000]  Yeah. So if you don't have a handgun license, it's Texas Penal Code 46.02.
[01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:59.000]  It says that if you don't have a handgun license, you can actually have a handgun in your vehicle.
[01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:04.000]  That handgun can be loaded in your vehicle, but it just must be concealed in the vehicle.
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.000]  So you can have a loaded handgun in your vehicle, it just must be concealed in the vehicle,
[01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.000]  and you don't need a license for it. You can have it around the chamber.
[01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.000]  It can be on the seat glove box, center console, it can be up your butt.
[01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:20.000]  It just must be concealed in the vehicle, and you don't need a license. So don't doubt the butt, Carrie.
[01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  But let's say, well, and there's some other places, too.
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:30.000]  I was trying to get my head wrapped around that butt cover.
[01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:36.000]  So that kind of answered my question. You can obviously have it on your person, as long as it's concealed.
[01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:43.000]  Yeah. You also can have it at home, from your home in your vehicle, inside your vehicle.
[01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:46.000]  If it's a person who doesn't control your place of business, you can have a handgun
[01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:51.000]  without a license on a watercraft, that is, a boat. You can have a handgun without a license
[01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:56.000]  in a trailer trailer, camper trailer, truck camper, motorhome, and horse trailer living quarters.
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:00.000]  And any other person's private property that allows?
[01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.000]  Correct.
[01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.000]  What about walking down the sidewalk?
[01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.000]  No. You have to have a handgun like that.
[01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.000]  Because that's public, quote, public government property, because it's sidewalk.
[01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.000]  Correct. Correct. Now, the state of Texas heavily regulates handguns,
[01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.000]  but they don't do that for long guns, for rifles or shotguns.
[01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:23.000]  So you can walk outside your door, and you can openly carry an AR-15 that's loaded, an AK-47,
[01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  a 12-gauge shotgun, and you don't need a license or any ID or anything,
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.000]  as long as you're not doing it in a threatening manner, you're not committing a crime,
[01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.000]  you don't need to produce any ID or anything.
[01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:39.000]  But when you walk outside your door, and you walk down that street, and you're carrying a handgun,
[01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.000]  you're automatically committing a crime unless you're going from your home, your vehicle,
[01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.000]  inside your vehicle, premises under control, your place of business, watercraft, boat,
[01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:51.000]  travel trailer, camper trailer, truck camper, motorhome, horse trailer living quarters,
[01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.000]  or you have a handgun license.
[01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.000]  What about on a bicycle?
[01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:01.000]  No, it's not a motor vehicle, so you need to have a handgun license to have one on a bicycle.
[01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:03.000]  Okay, so this...
[01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.000]  But let's say a motorcycle.
[01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.000]  A motorcycle, you can have a handgun on a motorcycle without a license.
[01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.000]  It just must be concealed on the motorcycle.
[01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.000]  It could be on you on a motorcycle.
[01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  It just needs to be concealed.
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:21.000]  See, here you are, I think that there's kind of a discrepancy here of sorts.
[01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:29.000]  There's some kind of a paradox that, you know, it's okay to have it in any kind of motor vehicle,
[01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:36.000]  boats, these sorts of things, and that means on your person as long as it's concealed,
[01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  but not a bicycle, but not walking.
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:47.000]  Okay, I don't agree with this because I think that this whole thing, from what I've studied on this,
[01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:54.000]  this goes to traveling, that it's okay to have it, that you can travel with your firearm
[01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:59.000]  without your handgun specifically concealed without a license.
[01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.000]  Well, bicycle certainly is traveling.
[01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.000]  I would argue that walking is traveling.
[01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:07.000]  I mean, is this something that we should try to change?
[01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:12.000]  Do you think we have any chance of getting this changed in Texas?
[01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:17.000]  Now you're talking about constitutional carry.
[01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.000]  That's what you're talking about.
[01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.000]  That's why we're trying to get constitutional carry, Pat,
[01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.000]  where you don't need a license in order to have that handgun.
[01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:30.000]  In order to walk or have it on you on a bicycle.
[01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.000]  Right.
[01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.000]  So now you're talking about constitutional carry.
[01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:35.000]  Motor vehicle.
[01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:41.000]  I wonder if, like, have you seen, and some of the listeners may not know what I'm talking about,
[01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:47.000]  but people in Austin probably have these little trendy, they rent them downtown
[01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:52.000]  where it's got, like, two wheels and you stand on it and there's a little handle.
[01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:57.000]  It looks kind of like, I don't know how to describe it,
[01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:00.000]  other than it's just this bizarre thing that you see.
[01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.000]  A segue, like a segue, I think.
[01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:06.000]  Yeah, you just stand on this little platform and it's got two wheels,
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:10.000]  and then there's this handle that comes up, and I don't even know how it balances,
[01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:11.000]  but they rent them.
[01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:14.000]  I mean, I wonder if that would be considered a motor vehicle.
[01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:19.000]  I mean, it gets to the point where it's kind of ridiculous, you know,
[01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:27.000]  because there are some motorized bicycles that are not considered motor vehicles,
[01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.000]  but they do have a motor on them.
[01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.000]  So at a certain point, it's like splitting hairs.
[01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.000]  And so, yeah, okay, so if we're talking about constitutional carry
[01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:43.000]  where you don't need a license to walk or have it on a bicycle concealed,
[01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:48.000]  do you think there's any chance of getting anything like this passed in this state?
[01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  I mean, I'm talking about the concealed thing
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.000]  because this all falls under the traveling,
[01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.000]  having a right to travel with the handgun as long as it's concealed.
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:00.000]  Do you think there's any chance of getting things changed
[01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:04.000]  to where that would include walking or a bicycle?
[01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.000]  Hensley, what you're asking is, will constitutional carry pass in session?
[01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.000]  And honestly, I don't think it's going to pass this session.
[01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.000]  Wouldn't pass this session.
[01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:17.000]  I don't think it's going to because the people are not going to go to the Capitol and demand it.
[01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:22.000]  If the people go to the Capitol and demand it and show up in large numbers,
[01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  then constitutional carry will pass.
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.000]  But they're not going to do that, so it's not going to pass.
[01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.000]  Interesting.
[01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.000]  It's all about revenue. It's all about money.
[01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:39.000]  Yeah. And of course, they're going to make money off of the whole licensing thing.
[01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.000]  Correct.
[01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:50.000]  I did want to make one comment about the laws concerning carrying on campus.
[01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:54.000]  Anybody out there who has a notion of going to one of our campuses
[01:13:54.000 --> 01:14:00.000]  and having himself a turkey shoot is not going to do that in Texas.
[01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.000]  Right, right. No gun-free zones,
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:06.000]  except I think that there's still some provision regarding this campus carry thing
[01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:12.000]  that a university can opt out of it or something like that.
[01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.000]  What is that all about, Michael?
[01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.000]  Okay, and that's going to be your private universities.
[01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.000]  So your private universities like Baylor University, St. Edward's,
[01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:24.000]  since they're private, they can actually opt out.
[01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:28.000]  But UT could not opt out of it.
[01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:31.000]  Correct. UT is public, so public universities cannot.
[01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:35.000]  Public universities can only name certain buildings that you cannot carry in.
[01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.000]  But those certain buildings, they have to post a third down or sixth sign
[01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  that says that a license holder cannot carry concealed there.
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:46.000]  And then are they just going to do that with every building?
[01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  Yeah, they can't do that with every building.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.000]  Okay, good.
[01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:51.000]  So they're very picky about it in the legislature.
[01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.000]  So they can only name certain places. They cannot do a general no carry.
[01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.000]  Okay, good, good.
[01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:07.000]  This year or last year was the anniversary of the shooter in the tower there at University of Texas.
[01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:10.000]  Yeah, it was the 50th anniversary of the Charles Whitman shooting.
[01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:15.000]  Yeah, there was an interesting comment when I was listening to the reports about it
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:27.000]  that they believed that when that shooting began that what emerged was the largest posse
[01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.000]  in the history of the state of Texas.
[01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  They estimated that there were over 200 people returning fire.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:40.000]  Yeah, and it was those people that provided cover so that one police officer
[01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:45.000]  with another private citizen were able to go up and take him down.
[01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.000]  And it's interesting to note that they commented that they stepped over people
[01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:55.000]  on the stairs that had been shot trying to get to him.
[01:15:55.000 --> 01:16:02.000]  So it's the private citizens that were responsible for preventing further loss of life.
[01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.000]  No turkey shoots in Texas.
[01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  Hopefully not, hopefully no more.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:08.000]  Well, listen, we're about to come to our break.
[01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  I'd like to thank our guest and our winner, Tim.
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.000]  Thank you for coming on tonight, Tim.
[01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.000]  You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
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[01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:46.000]  All right, folks, we are back.
[01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:54.000]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on this Thursday, December 15, 2016.
[01:19:54.000 --> 01:20:02.000]  And we just got finished speaking with our very special guest, Mr. Michael Cargill of Central Texas Gunworks,
[01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:09.000]  telling some amazing stories about his parents defending their lives in their home against invaders.
[01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:18.000]  This is incredible and giving us the lowdown on the legal situation regarding firearms here in Texas.
[01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:26.000]  Hopefully, we will get some positive changes this session and more positive changes after that.
[01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:31.000]  But now we are going to bring Tim back on the line.
[01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:35.000]  He has some other questions for Randy.
[01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:43.000]  And Olivier, we see you there. And other callers, if you'd like to call in, we're opening up the phone lines right now, 512-646-1984.
[01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.000]  All right, so Tim, go ahead. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:48.000]  Hey, Randy, how's it going?
[01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.000]  It's going good.
[01:20:51.000 --> 01:21:00.000]  I had recently sent a contract, a rescission of a contract to an auto dealer.
[01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:06.000]  It's a used auto dealer and it was a bad contract.
[01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:13.000]  And I basically sent them a contract rescission and put the 20-day statement at the end of it.
[01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.000]  You know what I'm talking about?
[01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:28.000]  I think you have on any used – this is not my area, but my understanding is that you've got 30 days to rescind any contract on a used car.
[01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:38.000]  Well, I thought it was – what was it – where you can rescind a contract.
[01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:44.000]  They had 20 days to get back to you and give you your down payment and all the money that you spent on the vehicle.
[01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:55.000]  Okay, now that 20 days you're speaking to the Truth in Lending Act and that only applies to real property.
[01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:57.000]  So a vehicle wouldn't be real property?
[01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:00.000]  No, that's personal property.
[01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:05.000]  So there's other laws for that and this goes to the Lemon Laws.
[01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:13.000]  So you can rescind any contract with a – the Lemon Laws gives you 30 days.
[01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:19.000]  And it's 30 days because it gives you time for problems with the vehicle to emerge.
[01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:24.000]  Oh, okay. Well, I sent them the 20-day letter anyway. Let's see what they did with it.
[01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.000]  Okay, I'm going to jump subjects on you.
[01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:33.000]  I have recently been to court and I've gotten two court dates.
[01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:43.000]  And whenever I got the first one, the clerk had – was late in sending me the date and I didn't know it in time.
[01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:53.000]  By the time I went to the second, they set up a trial for motions hearing and a jury trial at the same time.
[01:22:53.000 --> 01:23:00.000]  So I sent both of the courts a motion to continue and both of them basically denied it and said I just didn't prove it.
[01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.000]  So I actually missed one.
[01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:14.000]  But before that, just before – I mean both of them denied it and I – judicially I just requested for them to dismiss the judges.
[01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  And I got the attorney on it. It was just – he was expecting to go in and have a motions hearing and he was mailing me paperwork, which he was late in doing.
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  The judge said that the paperwork had – all the motions were to end on December 1st and he had filed his on December 5th and it was a motion in Liam.
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:47.000]  I'd filed all of Eddie Craig's paperwork with jurisdictional challenge, constitutional challenge, and all those things.
[01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  And all he filed was a motion in Liam to shut me up.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:56.000]  And then he – after that, he had filed a sanction.
[01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:08.000]  It basically made the statement that, you know, all my motions were frivolous and he wanted to sanction me for – I don't know – the court process.
[01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:16.000]  And I was wondering on the sanctions, how's he – how's he going – how's he planning on getting that?
[01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:20.000]  He – I don't – is this a traffic case?
[01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:21.000]  Yes, sir.
[01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.000]  He thinks he owns the judge.
[01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.000]  Yeah.
[01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:28.000]  Oh, he wouldn't be filing that. Have you bar-grieved him?
[01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:30.000]  Oh, yeah.
[01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:36.000]  Maybe – I was wondering why he would ask for sanctions. It's probably because you're beating him up.
[01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:38.000]  I'm beating him up pretty good.
[01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:40.000]  He's trying to get back at you.
[01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:56.000]  Almost certainly, unless your motions have absolutely no basis in law or the laws that you cite have been conclusively overturned
[01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:06.000]  and you haven't argued for a change in law, even if the judge imposes sanctions, he is a inferior court judge.
[01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:07.000]  Yes.
[01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:11.000]  And when you appeal to the county court, they will almost certainly overturn it.
[01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:19.000]  And if they don't, you can always appeal the sanctions. Really hard to get sanctions to stick.
[01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:29.000]  And here you should bar-grieve the lawyer for trying to use sanctions as a way to obstruct justice.
[01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:44.000]  Him asking for sanctions because you filed an action in your defense is – now, you may be able to get away with something like that in a civil case, but not in criminal.
[01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:55.000]  That should get obstruction of justice, 3606 penal code, or maybe even 3605 witness tampering.
[01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:59.000]  Oh, witness tampering, too. He's trying to intimidate me.
[01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:16.000]  Exactly. To prevent you from testifying before the court, also 3903, in that he's trying – using his official position in order to deny you access to the court.
[01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:26.000]  And by that, he's denying you your right to the full free exercise of a right, and he's doing so under the color of his authority.
[01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:30.000]  You might file all three of them. What county? You're in Travis County?
[01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.000]  No, sir. Collin County. I'm not.
[01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:53.000]  Oh, you're up here. Oh, interesting. I just had someone call me and talk to a guy who was the grand jury foreman on a Collin County grand jury and made an interesting comment.
[01:26:53.000 --> 01:27:05.000]  They felt bad because he's getting cramps, right, and signing all of these indictments, so they brought him a rubber stamp.
[01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:13.000]  Whoa. So I ask you, did they only make one rubber stamp?
[01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:26.000]  Okay, Collin County. So that's a good one to hammer them. You might – is it – okay, did I ask, is it traffic or more serious?
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:35.000]  It's just traffic. Both of them were traffic. I'd actually – I filed the – get the judge dismissed,
[01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:45.000]  and the judge actually was going to send it to a visiting judge and let him determine the motion for dismissal, whether there's grounds or not.
[01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:51.000]  And basically, it's going – I think it's going to take him out, and then they'll just have to funnel another judge.
[01:27:51.000 --> 01:28:01.000]  And that prosecutor that I bar-grieved to death out of, and he's one of those – he's got his own firm and all that stuff, so he's in the process.
[01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:12.000]  And I bar-grieved him and his firm, and he's just a deputy assistant, so I'm also going after the – or the deputy attorney.
[01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:19.000]  I'm actually going after the city attorney, too, so in his name, making sure that they all get a piece of it.
[01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:32.000]  Okay. Send me an e-mail, randyatloulouradio.com, and I will send you an information request, which they won't be able to answer.
[01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:39.000]  You know, they had – I sent information request for this guy, and it was actually just for court records.
[01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:46.000]  And they said that that was judicial record, and that didn't have to – they didn't have to provide it.
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:57.000]  Okay. My information requests, they don't request under 552 Government Code.
[01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  They request under any applicable statutes.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:17.000]  And the one I'm thinking of here is 1.27 Texas Code of Criminal Procedure. All courts shall be public.
[01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:24.000]  So if he did not – he refused to respond to it, okay, what did you ask for?
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:33.000]  I was just basically asking for the court records because I wanted to see what they had filed in motion, and I wanted to see the –
[01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:42.000]  Oh, okay. Hold on. He's right, because he's the wrong guy to ask. The clerk's the one to ask for that.
[01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:44.000]  Hang on. Pick this up on the other side.
[01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:45.000]  Okay.
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[01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:32.000]  Randy Carleton, Debra Stephens, the ruler of our radio on this, the 15th day of December, 2016.
[01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:36.000]  And we're talking to Tim in Texas.
[01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:46.000]  And I've been, I don't normally do traffic, but I've been doing some, I've had a few people come to me here locally about traffic.
[01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:50.000]  And I've been doing some different things.
[01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:59.000]  Tim, have you requested the contract between the judge, prosecutor, and the municipality?
[01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:08.000]  Yes, sir, I did. I did an authorization, what's it called, authority to ask for the prosecutor.
[01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.000]  Is that what it is?
[01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:20.000]  Basically asking for his bar card, the Supreme Court, where they had granted him the authority.
[01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:36.000]  He had filed in his sanction a paper stating that from the county clerk that said that he was, I guess, operating in that position.
[01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:57.000]  And he had filed a piece of paper stating from the city council here that they hired his law firm to represent, or he's not one of the primaries at the law firm.
[01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:07.000]  It's like three different names and his is not one of them. And he's the assistant or deputy city attorney.
[01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:12.000]  So I guess all the three names or the law firm themselves is the city attorney.
[01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:20.000]  So did he claim that as a proactive statement out of his own mouth, or did he provide evidence?
[01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:28.000]  Yes, he just signed a verified statement. That's what he did.
[01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:34.000]  Well, you want to see the contract. You don't know if he has any conflicts of interest.
[01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:41.000]  You don't know if the contract amounts to a conflict of interest. You need to see how he gets paid.
[01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:45.000]  You need to see how the judge gets paid.
[01:35:45.000 --> 01:36:01.000]  Also, send me an email. I'll send you my information request. I'm requesting records of training of all officers authorized to enforce the traffic code.
[01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:20.000]  I'm asking for training as required, as contemplated by 644-00-101, 644-035, I believe, and 701.101.
[01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:34.000]  I forget. I have to open that thing and look at it. But there's no way they can have their officers authorized to enforce the traffic code under these statutes.
[01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:39.000]  And these statutes specifically require this training.
[01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:51.000]  I keep getting these responses back saying, we have no records responsive to your request. This is kind of how it works.
[01:36:51.000 --> 01:37:01.000]  This request essentially goes to the chief of police. And the chief of police gets it. He's not in the traffic court.
[01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:11.000]  So he is, let me see, I've got one here. Here we go.
[01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:21.000]  He's in a different position. So he's not worried about prosecution. He's worried about getting in trouble for not answering the information request.
[01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:31.000]  So these are the responses I tend to get. This is what I'm asking for. That's the wrong one, Chapter 644.
[01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:37.000]  Give me just a second. I'll open the right one.
[01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:57.000]  Hey, when this happens. Anyways, the names of all officers authorized to enforce the Texas Transportation Code to include evidence of authority to enforce under the provisions of Texas Transportation Code, Chapter 644 for all officers so authorized.
[01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:10.000]  They cannot have any officer so authorized because Collin County, it doesn't meet the requirements.
[01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:27.000]  Let me see if I can find one that I just thought I did. I thought I just did one that had them all in. There we go. Training. Here we go. 644-101 and 7011-001.
[01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:45.000]  These outline the requirements. I'm going to open my subject matter jurisdiction case and go down to the list of who can be authorized to enforce the Texas Transportation Code.
[01:38:45.000 --> 01:39:00.000]  It starts at administrative administrative code rule 4.13. If you send me the email, I'll send you this document as well, the challenge subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:15.000]  It says authority to enforce an officer of the department may stop, enter, or detain on a highway or at a port of entry a motor vehicle that is subject to Texas Transportation Code, Chapter 644.
[01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:30.000]  A non-commissioned employee of the department that is trained and certified to enforce the federal safety regulations may stop, enter, or detain a commercial motor vehicle inspection site or at any port of entry. These are for the DPS.
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:52.000]  Okay, now we go under the general provisions of Texas Transportation Code, Title VII, Subchapter F, entitled Commercial Motor Vehicles, Chapter 644, Subsection C, Section 644.101 stipulates who can be certified to enforce the Texas Transportation Code.
[01:39:52.000 --> 01:40:13.000]  And this lists a whole bunch of places where the code can be enforced. A municipality with a population of over 50,000. A municipality with a population of 25,000 or more, any part of which is located in a county with a population of 500,000 or more.
[01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:23.000]  A municipality with a population of less than 25,000, any part of which is located in a county with a population of 3.3 million and contains or is adjacent to an international airport.
[01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:25.000]  It gets worse.
[01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:29.000]  This is so nuts.
[01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.000]  You won't believe it.
[01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:45.000]  So, and then, okay, this is 644.101. Now there's another one under 643.051.
[01:40:45.000 --> 01:41:08.000]  Okay, the Texas Transportation Code contains the section which allows for the registration required. A motor carrier may not operate a commercial motor vehicle as defined by Section 548.001 on a road or highway in the state unless the carrier registers with the department under this subject.
[01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:14.000]  A motor carrier may not operate. That's not the one I'm looking for. I'm sorry.
[01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:29.000]  I'll find the right ones. There's another one that says who can be certified. Now I think that's 644.101.
[01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:47.000]  That's the one that says that the sheriff can appoint four people to enforce the transportation code.
[01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:59.000]  And it lists this, okay, this section here. I'm sorry. I'll get this straight. It's 644.101.
[01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:08.000]  The sheriff can appoint four people and they have to have one of those, four of those people can, they can all be sheriff's deputies.
[01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:13.000]  One of them can be a municipal officer from some municipality.
[01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:24.000]  And that officer has to be in a municipality that fits within 644.101.
[01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:32.000]  It was 50,000 or more, 25,000 or more in a county of half a million and all this convoluted list.
[01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  So you want whatever municipality you're dealing with to show that they fall under this.
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:51.000]  And that this particular officer has the training referenced in here. None of them do.
[01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:59.000]  Yeah. I had filed that paperwork that you're talking about right there with the court.
[01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:12.000]  And that's all part of the motion in Lemony that he gave me was to not ask about the free room information request that the fact that they could not provide me with the authorization to act.
[01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:25.000]  That's what he did. And that was the motion in Lemony that he had done was trying to keep me to shut up about that along with the constitutional jurisdiction and everything else.
[01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:32.000]  I filed a rarefied criminal complaint against the officer for the violation in itself for not having the authority.
[01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.000]  So all the way down to that.
[01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:43.000]  Okay. Have you read the American Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function?
[01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  No.
[01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:50.000]  And I've got that in a questionnaire format. I'm about to go to break. I'll address it when we come back.
[01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:56.000]  I'll show you where to find it. And this guy's going to be in violation of it.
[01:43:56.000 --> 01:44:00.000]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Radio. We'll be right back.
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[01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:27.000]  Something in this world I will never understand.
[01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:31.000]  Something I realize foolish.
[01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:36.000]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman.
[01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:40.000]  Somebody's gonna police the police.
[01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:57.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, David Stevens of Rule of Law Radio and we're talking to Tim in Texas and the go to bargrievance.website.
[01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:02.000]  I lost bargrievance.net so now I've got bargrievance.website.
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:16.000]  And on the front page you will see a link to, let me get the right page, to my questionnaire right down at the bottom in the middle of the page you'll see bargrievance questionnaire.
[01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:24.000]  Click that link and that takes you to the American Bar Association standards that I've converted to a questionnaire.
[01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:30.000]  Go all the way down to the bottom and there's a link for prosecutions.
[01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:35.000]  Click on that one and that is the American prosecutors.
[01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:41.000]  That is the American Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function.
[01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:49.000]  And I have had so much fun with that in court you wouldn't believe it.
[01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:51.000]  You will be amazed what you'll find in there.
[01:47:51.000 --> 01:48:07.000]  And this way when you file for, you know, you rebut his sanctions, you can rebut his sanctions based on the Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function.
[01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:16.000]  3-3.11. It used to say it is unethical conduct but they took that wording out.
[01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:28.000]  It used to say it is unethical conduct for a prosecuting attorney to refrain from pursuing evidence solely because that evidence may show the innocence of the accused and mitigate the guilt of the accused.
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:46.000]  And for the prosecutor to try to restrict from the court information that would show the innocence and mitigate the guilt. It violates that bar standard and also violates Article 2.01, that's a code of current procedure.
[01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:50.000]  I don't think you'll have any problem with this guy.
[01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:59.000]  I've gotten pushed up against the wall the way it is. It's just he's got one of those attitudes that just need adjusted a little bit.
[01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:04.000]  This is, you know, when you were talking earlier I wanted to comment but I didn't get time to put it in.
[01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:06.000]  But you're the reason I do this show.
[01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:08.000]  Thank you, Chair. Thank you.
[01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:18.000]  If we can get people around the state doing this, we'll change everything because you know all these guys talk to each other.
[01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:21.000]  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Especially when you go after them.
[01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:28.000]  And there was one thing I did want to mention that I'm looking at that we haven't really addressed before.
[01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:42.000]  I have a policeman do something that on a cursory reading of the code appears to not be in paramateria with the corpus juris.
[01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:48.000]  And by that, I mean it's not in keeping with the entire code.
[01:49:48.000 --> 01:50:02.000]  So the question becomes, how does a policeman who admittedly doesn't know squat about law, how does he come to the notion that he should do things this way?
[01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:12.000]  Yeah. Well, the prosecutor who has been required to give the police legal advice.
[01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:16.000]  Quick little story that will illustrate my point.
[01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:23.000]  I tried to file complaints against a nephew in law that him and my niece were having a divorce proceeding and he's acting ignorant.
[01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:26.000]  And I'm trying to get him calmed down before he does something stupid.
[01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:34.000]  So I asked the police to arrest him for criminal trespass and they took my complaint and refused to give it to the magistrate.
[01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:39.000]  And I talked to the chief and he said, well, I talked to prosecutor and he advised me not to.
[01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.000]  I went straight to the prosecutor when I got there.
[01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:47.000]  He was waiting for me. He knew I was coming.
[01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:53.000]  He said, Mr. Kelton, do you think I am out of my professional mind?
[01:50:53.000 --> 01:51:01.000]  Do you really think I would waive my sovereign immunity by giving advice to the police?
[01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:04.000]  I said, I didn't think so.
[01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:09.000]  But James, but I've just swallowed the thunder here.
[01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:12.000]  I went back to the police department, knocked on the door.
[01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:16.000]  This officer opened the door and said, what can I do for you, Mr. Kelton?
[01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:26.000]  Well, you can go tell the chief that the prosecuting attorney just threw him under the bus and I'm here to run him over with it.
[01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:41.000]  Point being, if this officer is acting in a way that's inconsistent with law and the prosecutor is aiding and abetting that inconsistency,
[01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:50.000]  that can be construed as advice from the prosecutor to the police officer to act the way he's acting.
[01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:56.000]  And what happens when a prosecutor gives legal advice?
[01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:01.000]  What happens to his immunity?
[01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:05.000]  So you sue him for malpractice.
[01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:16.000]  Now, when you sue, what keeps them from being sued is not what you can prove.
[01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:24.000]  The nature of the claim that you make, you don't sue him for anything he did in the courtroom.
[01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.000]  He's absolutely immune.
[01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:39.000]  But if your accusation is that he advised the police in practice and procedures that are not in keeping with the Corpus Juris,
[01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:47.000]  that's something he is specifically denied immunity from.
[01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:49.000]  Does that sound like fun?
[01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:57.000]  And one of the things I want to get to is, and I'll probably, I have a couple of people here that I'm helping,
[01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:08.000]  I'll probably get it done here is I want to write a malpractice suit against the prosecuting attorney in a traffic case.
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:17.000]  They want to hire these chump lawyers so they make a few bucks extra on the side by screwing everybody that walks in the door.
[01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  We'll see how that works out for them when they start getting sued for malpractice.
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:31.000]  They won't be able to hire a lawyer.
[01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:37.000]  One gets sued for malpractice, everyone in the state knows about it.
[01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:47.000]  A prosecutor, I mean a judge gets hammered by a pro se client, I guarantee you that everybody in the state knows about it.
[01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:55.000]  And I just called my district attorney's office today because the grand jury was meeting today to hear my complaints
[01:53:55.000 --> 01:54:06.000]  of first degree felony aggravated assault against my district judge and criminal conspiracy against the Texas Ranger and the Director of the Department of Public Safety.
[01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:22.000]  He said, I couldn't get him to his receptionist said, Mr. Kelton, if it's all right with you, Greg, we'll call you Monday and talk about this.
[01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:36.000]  Whoa, I just called to say, did I get my no bill today? And he wants to talk to me Monday.
[01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:53.000]  It may well be that I didn't get all no bills. And if I get a true bill of any kind, the fat is in the fire and all of you guys who are fighting these guys, send me emails.
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:56.000]  I'll send you my white paper.
[01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.000]  That's what I was wanting to ask you about your white paper.
[01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:10.000]  Yeah, let's get this to the legislature, go down there and cram it down his throat. Tomorrow, I'll take that white paper and I'll go through it piece by piece.
[01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:25.000]  It's pretty sophisticated in that I stitch a lot of the codes together and show how a couple of seemingly minor adjustments have really messed up the criminal justice system
[01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:39.000]  and I'm going to ask the legislators to make some changes. But the main change we want 20.09, we want a 20.095.
[01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:58.000]  It says a private citizen shall have the right to give notice of crime to the grand jury by personal presentation or certified mail.
[01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:09.000]  We get that one. Everything changes. Okay. Tomorrow, I'm going to go through if you'll send me an email, I'll send that to you.
[01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:17.000]  And if I can get some time, I have a website, the Law Society, the lawsociety.net.
[01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:25.000]  I'm going to take everything that was on jurisprudence website and post it up there. I'm going to build a big repository there.
[01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:40.000]  I have a really large research folder and I've named everything by keywords, just, you know, public intoxication, drunk driving, anything you can think of.
[01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  I put keywords in there so you can hit that and find my research on it. I'll start building that on a website where I'll also have a section with forms in it.
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:57:05.000]  And all of the forms that we produce, I'll put on there. I want to build a form for a malpractice suit against lawyers, specifically for traffic.
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:18.000]  If we can get one constructed that squeaks past immunity and then we get people filing it all over the state, these guys aren't going to be able to hire Trump lawyers.
[01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:29.000]  We can make traffic not a source of revenue but a source of cost. Watch my story, I'm sticking to it.
[01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:39.000]  And Oliver, we did not get to you today and I do apologize. If you'll call in tomorrow, we'll take you early.
[01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:53.000]  But I do want to talk about the white paper but if you'll call in, I'll take yours. I like your calls because you always have good information and I do apologize for not getting to you.
[01:57:53.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  And we have another caller but we're about out of time so we won't get to them.
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:09.000]  I do want to thank everybody for listening and make sure you tune in tomorrow night for our four-hour info marathon.
[01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:16.000]  Tim, you have a final comment? You're the winner of our gun draw. You've got 30 seconds.
[01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:32.000]  I'd like to thank Michael in Texas Gun Works. I'd also like to say I'm retired military and in the military we have an old saying and it's called, bad soldiers make good NCOs.
[01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:41.000]  Bad soldiers make good process. You've got to just hang in there and follow the rules and we'll eventually win.
[01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:50.000]  Thank you very much. Thank you all for listening and good night.
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