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[00:21.000 --> 00:27.000]  Markets for the 16th of December, 2015, opened up with gold at $1,073.08 an ounce.
[00:27.000 --> 00:32.000]  Silver, $14.16 an ounce. Texas crude, $37.35 a barrel.
[00:32.000 --> 00:42.000]  And Bitcoin is currently sitting at about 453 U.S. currency.
[00:42.000 --> 00:46.000]  Today in history, Thursday, December 16, 1773.
[00:46.000 --> 00:51.000]  The Sons of Liberty, disguised as Mohawk Indians, board three British East India tea company ships
[00:51.000 --> 00:55.000]  and dumped roughly 342 chests of tea into the Boston harbor.
[00:55.000 --> 01:05.000]  The Boston Tea Party was the American columnist's response to the British Imposed Tea Act of 1773.
[01:05.000 --> 01:10.000]  In recent news, the Department of Homeland Security activated the National Terrorism Advisory System,
[01:10.000 --> 01:15.000]  which replaced the old color-coded terror warnings for the first time since its creation in 2011 today.
[01:15.000 --> 01:21.000]  The agency is warning the public of self-radicalized actors who could strike with little or no notice.
[01:21.000 --> 01:26.000]  A bulletin issued by DHS Secretary Jay Johnson stated that the system will be in force for the next six months
[01:26.000 --> 01:28.000]  or until events dictate otherwise.
[01:28.000 --> 01:33.000]  Under this new amended advisory system, periodic bulletins will be issued to inform the American public
[01:33.000 --> 01:42.000]  of threats or concerns identified by DHS personnel.
[01:42.000 --> 01:47.000]  David Edward Abbott, a police detective who once made national news when he took out a search warrant,
[01:47.000 --> 01:52.000]  which he never issued, to photograph the genitals of a 17-year-old teen for sexting obscene pictures
[01:52.000 --> 01:56.000]  to his 15-year-old girlfriend, barricaded himself in his home and shot himself yesterday
[01:56.000 --> 02:01.000]  as Prince William's County police officers tried to serve a warrant charging him with indecent liberties
[02:01.000 --> 02:05.000]  and using a communication device to solicit sexual offenses from minors.
[02:05.000 --> 02:10.000]  Evidence shows Abbott soliciting sexual acts by phone, text, social media, and email for more than two years
[02:10.000 --> 02:14.000]  from 13-year-old boy who he met while coaching for a local hockey league.
[02:14.000 --> 02:18.000]  Apparently, not the only 13-year-old boy who was solicited with there being disclosed another victim
[02:18.000 --> 02:20.000]  of harassment back in 2009.
[02:20.000 --> 02:29.000]  As irony would have it, David Abbott served on a task force that investigates crimes against children.
[02:29.000 --> 02:34.000]  Kyung Soo Lim, pastor at the Light Korean Presbyterian Church in Toronto, was sentenced by North Korea's
[02:34.000 --> 02:38.000]  Supreme Court to life in prison with hard labor today for what it's calling crimes against the state.
[02:38.000 --> 02:43.000]  He's been in detention since February, and state prosecutors were seeking the death penalty
[02:43.000 --> 02:46.000]  for such frivolous charges as harming the dignity of the Supreme Leader,
[02:46.000 --> 02:49.000]  attempting to use religion to destroy the North Korean government,
[02:49.000 --> 02:52.000]  disseminating negative propaganda about North Korea to Koreans overseas,
[02:52.000 --> 02:55.000]  and for aiding and abetting U.S. and South Korean authorities
[02:55.000 --> 03:14.000]  in smuggling North Korean citizens out of the country.
[03:26.000 --> 03:30.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:30.000 --> 03:32.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:32.000 --> 03:35.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:35.000 --> 03:38.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.000 --> 03:41.000]  When you were eight and you had bad traits
[03:41.000 --> 03:43.000]  You'd go to school and learn the golden rule
[03:43.000 --> 03:46.000]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[03:46.000 --> 03:49.000]  And if you get hot then you must get cool
[03:49.000 --> 03:52.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:52.000 --> 03:54.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:54.000 --> 03:57.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:57.000 --> 04:00.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:00.000 --> 04:03.000]  You took it on that one, you took it on this one
[04:03.000 --> 04:06.000]  You took it on your mother and you took it on your father
[04:06.000 --> 04:08.000]  You took it on your brother and you took it on your sister
[04:08.000 --> 04:11.000]  You took it on that one and you took it on me
[04:11.000 --> 04:14.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[04:14.000 --> 04:16.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:16.000 --> 04:19.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[04:19.000 --> 04:21.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:21.000 --> 04:24.040]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do
[04:24.040 --> 04:29.040]  when we come for you here on the Rule of Law?
[04:29.120 --> 04:30.960]  My name is Deborah Stevens,
[04:30.960 --> 04:33.560]  and I'm here with my co-host, Randy Kelton.
[04:33.560 --> 04:37.960]  Tonight is Thursday, January 7th, 2016,
[04:37.960 --> 04:40.280]  and we have a great show for you tonight.
[04:40.280 --> 04:43.420]  Randy has some topics that he wants to present
[04:43.420 --> 04:46.120]  concerning how to deal with the courts
[04:46.120 --> 04:47.880]  once you're in these hearings.
[04:47.880 --> 04:50.520]  But before that, we have a very special guest,
[04:50.520 --> 04:52.520]  one of our new sponsors.
[04:52.520 --> 04:53.720]  Actually, he's an old sponsor.
[04:53.720 --> 04:54.920]  He's going to be a new host,
[04:54.920 --> 04:57.200]  and his name is Michael Cargill,
[04:57.200 --> 04:59.600]  the owner of Central Texas Gunworks,
[04:59.600 --> 05:03.480]  and he is our sponsor for our fundraiser,
[05:03.480 --> 05:07.520]  our 2016 annual Logos Radio Network fundraiser.
[05:07.520 --> 05:09.920]  Thank you for joining us tonight, Michael.
[05:09.920 --> 05:11.360]  Awesome, thank you for having me.
[05:11.360 --> 05:12.480]  I really appreciate it.
[05:12.480 --> 05:14.260]  Well, Michael, we certainly appreciate you,
[05:14.260 --> 05:16.520]  and you're going to be starting a new live show here
[05:16.520 --> 05:19.800]  on Logos this year, in a few weeks,
[05:19.800 --> 05:22.680]  on Wednesdays at five,
[05:22.680 --> 05:25.960]  and that's called Come and Talk It, is that right?
[05:25.960 --> 05:26.920]  That is correct.
[05:26.920 --> 05:29.120]  It's called the Come and Talk It Radio Show.
[05:29.120 --> 05:30.480]  I love it.
[05:30.480 --> 05:32.200]  It's all about firearms.
[05:32.200 --> 05:34.520]  It's about gun laws and where you can,
[05:34.520 --> 05:38.400]  you can't take that handgun or firearm laws in general,
[05:38.400 --> 05:40.520]  and it's all about Texas gun laws.
[05:40.520 --> 05:43.000]  That's excellent, and I've heard your show,
[05:43.000 --> 05:44.400]  and I think it's wonderful,
[05:44.400 --> 05:46.320]  and we played the replays here on Logos,
[05:46.320 --> 05:48.720]  but now you're going to be going live on Logos.
[05:48.720 --> 05:51.600]  I'm very excited, and you're also sponsoring
[05:51.600 --> 05:55.400]  our 2016 annual fundraiser that just started.
[05:55.400 --> 05:58.120]  We're having a drawing for two firearms,
[05:58.120 --> 06:01.160]  and so if you would, would you please tell us
[06:01.160 --> 06:02.680]  about these two firearms
[06:02.680 --> 06:04.880]  that you are donating to the drawing?
[06:06.120 --> 06:07.440]  Absolutely.
[06:07.440 --> 06:12.040]  The first one is a Spikes Tactical Billet Lore.
[06:12.040 --> 06:13.400]  It's called a Jack.
[06:13.400 --> 06:16.400]  It's a very popular strip lore receiver.
[06:16.400 --> 06:18.400]  It's called the Jack, and what it is,
[06:18.400 --> 06:21.360]  it's actually the face of a skull,
[06:21.360 --> 06:23.520]  the lore receiver, and it's for an AR-15,
[06:23.520 --> 06:26.240]  so it's very popular and it's very hard to get.
[06:28.640 --> 06:29.920]  That's awesome.
[06:29.920 --> 06:34.320]  And it's also 100 CNC out of aluminum,
[06:34.320 --> 06:37.960]  and it's very high in demand,
[06:37.960 --> 06:39.920]  and like I said, it's very hard to get.
[06:40.840 --> 06:43.320]  That is so awesome.
[06:43.320 --> 06:46.320]  So that is going to be the first prize, is that right?
[06:46.320 --> 06:48.480]  That is correct, that's the first prize.
[06:48.480 --> 06:52.880]  And then the second prize is a Taurus Curve.
[06:52.880 --> 06:55.120]  Yes, and I saw, I've seen the pictures of both of them,
[06:55.120 --> 06:56.960]  and I'll tell you what, that Taurus Curve
[06:56.960 --> 06:58.520]  looks really sleek.
[07:01.880 --> 07:03.320]  Michael, are you still there?
[07:03.320 --> 07:04.560]  Yes, ma'am, I am.
[07:04.560 --> 07:05.400]  Yes, it is.
[07:05.400 --> 07:06.640]  It's a very sleek gun.
[07:06.640 --> 07:08.680]  It's the new gun from Taurus.
[07:08.680 --> 07:12.080]  It's a Taurus Curve, you know, it fits like in your pocket.
[07:12.080 --> 07:17.080]  It also has a laser, okay, it also has a light
[07:17.800 --> 07:19.200]  with it as well.
[07:19.200 --> 07:22.440]  It's got a laser sight and a light, is that what you said?
[07:22.440 --> 07:25.520]  That is correct, a laser sight and a light.
[07:25.520 --> 07:29.480]  It is an awesome gun, it's the newest gun from Taurus.
[07:29.480 --> 07:31.080]  That is just awesome.
[07:31.080 --> 07:35.360]  So this is the second year that you have sponsored
[07:35.360 --> 07:38.160]  our fundraiser, our annual fundraiser,
[07:38.160 --> 07:40.920]  and donated some items, so we really appreciate it.
[07:40.920 --> 07:44.200]  And of course, there's a lot of firearm lovers out here
[07:44.200 --> 07:46.960]  in our audience, and I'm sure that they will love
[07:46.960 --> 07:48.320]  these prizes.
[07:48.320 --> 07:51.160]  Oh yes, they definitely should love the Taurus Curve,
[07:51.160 --> 07:54.960]  and it has a built-in little clip for your belt as well.
[07:54.960 --> 07:56.920]  Like I said, it's the new gun from Taurus,
[07:56.920 --> 07:59.040]  very popular, very hard to get.
[07:59.040 --> 08:02.080]  Taurus did do a recall on some of their guns,
[08:02.080 --> 08:03.800]  and they did, this was one of them,
[08:03.800 --> 08:06.760]  and they actually fixed some issues that was with it,
[08:06.760 --> 08:08.640]  and now they've re-released it again,
[08:08.640 --> 08:10.800]  and we finally got one, and like I said,
[08:10.800 --> 08:14.240]  very hard to get, it's hard to find those suckers anywhere.
[08:14.240 --> 08:17.800]  And then also that Jack, that Spikes Tactical Jack
[08:17.800 --> 08:22.360]  strip lure receiver, another hot item this year.
[08:22.360 --> 08:23.760]  A lot of people are looking for those,
[08:23.760 --> 08:28.080]  very hard to get anywhere, very high on demand.
[08:28.080 --> 08:29.560]  Actually, for this lure receiver,
[08:29.560 --> 08:33.200]  it's actually a six-month wait to get this.
[08:33.200 --> 08:34.040]  Wow.
[08:34.040 --> 08:36.800]  So definitely one of the items that you wanna drop
[08:36.800 --> 08:39.040]  some money on to try to win it.
[08:39.040 --> 08:42.680]  Yes, and so how folks can participate in this,
[08:42.680 --> 08:46.640]  for every $25 that you donate,
[08:46.640 --> 08:50.280]  your name will be put in the hat one time for the drawing.
[08:50.280 --> 08:54.920]  So if you donate $100, that means you get four entries
[08:54.920 --> 08:57.480]  into the drawing, and there's no limit
[08:57.480 --> 09:00.120]  to how much you can give or how many times
[09:00.120 --> 09:02.920]  you can be entered into the drawing,
[09:02.920 --> 09:07.920]  but you must be eligible to own these firearms
[09:07.920 --> 09:09.640]  in your state, and of course,
[09:09.640 --> 09:11.680]  we're not just limiting this to Texas,
[09:11.680 --> 09:13.920]  so that's the only limitation,
[09:13.920 --> 09:18.080]  is that you must be eligible to own these in your state
[09:18.080 --> 09:19.480]  in accordance with the state laws.
[09:19.480 --> 09:21.760]  And this is not a private transaction.
[09:21.760 --> 09:23.960]  Logos Radio Network is technically
[09:23.960 --> 09:26.440]  not transferring any firearms.
[09:26.440 --> 09:31.120]  This is all being done through Michael Cargill's shop,
[09:31.120 --> 09:33.560]  Central Texas Gunworks, he's an FFL,
[09:33.560 --> 09:37.840]  and so in order to receive the prize, should you win,
[09:37.840 --> 09:42.680]  you will have to fill out the standard form
[09:42.680 --> 09:45.800]  for a firearm transfer.
[09:45.800 --> 09:48.240]  Correct, so whoever wants any one of these firearms,
[09:48.240 --> 09:51.040]  what we're gonna do is, if you are out of state,
[09:51.040 --> 09:53.240]  what we'll do is we are going to ship the guns
[09:53.240 --> 09:56.640]  to that state, to your gun store, that state.
[09:56.640 --> 09:59.120]  Hold on, Michael, we need to check something.
[09:59.120 --> 10:00.800]  Yeah, Michael, your Skype is kind of
[10:00.800 --> 10:02.520]  dropping out here a little bit.
[10:04.600 --> 10:06.680]  Okay, sorry about that, how is that?
[10:06.680 --> 10:10.520]  No, that's not much better.
[10:10.520 --> 10:15.200]  Can you maybe call in Michael to the caller line,
[10:15.200 --> 10:19.360]  the 512-646-1984, and we'll put you up on the air
[10:19.360 --> 10:21.440]  on the telephone here, I think your internet
[10:21.440 --> 10:24.720]  or your Skype connection isn't working too well right now.
[10:24.720 --> 10:26.760]  Sure, 646-1984, I'll do that.
[10:26.760 --> 10:27.960]  Okay, great, thanks.
[10:30.000 --> 10:32.840]  Okay, we are going to be back with Michael here
[10:32.840 --> 10:36.320]  in just a moment, and so, go ahead, Randy.
[10:36.320 --> 10:41.080]  I'd like to make a comment, I've been listening
[10:41.080 --> 10:45.200]  intently here, and through this whole time,
[10:45.200 --> 10:50.200]  I haven't heard one reference to Randy's beer fund.
[10:52.280 --> 10:56.280]  Well, do you want to, how about this for reference,
[10:56.280 --> 10:58.000]  how about if you donate your beer fund
[10:58.000 --> 10:59.160]  to the network, Randy?
[11:01.000 --> 11:03.760]  Okay, I'll donate the beer, that's what I've done
[11:03.760 --> 11:07.960]  this whole time, my beer fund's always been donated
[11:07.960 --> 11:08.800]  to the network.
[11:08.800 --> 11:11.640]  Well, not the whole time, you get a beer, come on.
[11:13.040 --> 11:14.640]  Did I ever take anything out of the beer fund?
[11:14.640 --> 11:16.920]  I think, we've given you a few beers here and there.
[11:16.920 --> 11:18.640]  Okay, look, we've got- You've got me two beers.
[11:18.640 --> 11:21.680]  We've got Michael back, Michael, are you there?
[11:21.680 --> 11:22.680]  Yes, ma'am, I am.
[11:22.680 --> 11:24.600]  Okay, we have Michael back.
[11:24.600 --> 11:28.080]  Okay, great, so if you would please continue, Michael,
[11:28.080 --> 11:32.440]  you were talking about if someone is an out-of-state
[11:32.440 --> 11:37.440]  listener, or maybe even out of town of Austin,
[11:37.840 --> 11:39.840]  how we would handle the firearm transfer.
[11:41.000 --> 11:42.800]  Correct, so if you're not in the Austin area,
[11:42.800 --> 11:45.320]  you live in Dallas, or you live in a totally different
[11:45.320 --> 11:48.560]  state altogether, what we're going to do is we're actually
[11:48.560 --> 11:52.400]  going to ship those guns to your state, or your city,
[11:52.400 --> 11:54.960]  and to a gun store that is close to you.
[11:55.920 --> 11:58.880]  And we'll also pay for the transfer fee for you,
[11:58.880 --> 12:02.240]  so all you have to do is let us know what gun store it is,
[12:02.240 --> 12:05.560]  we'll verify their FFL, make sure they are in good
[12:05.560 --> 12:07.880]  standings, and then we will ship the gun to them.
[12:07.880 --> 12:10.360]  You'll have to walk into the gun store there,
[12:10.360 --> 12:13.360]  and fill out the 4473, and that gun store will do
[12:13.360 --> 12:15.000]  the background check for you.
[12:15.000 --> 12:16.560]  And once you've passed that background check,
[12:16.560 --> 12:18.680]  we'll get that one of these firearms,
[12:18.680 --> 12:23.240]  the Spikes Tactical Jack Billet Strip Lower Receiver,
[12:23.240 --> 12:24.640]  or the Torch Curve.
[12:26.400 --> 12:29.920]  Okay, that is just awesome, and we really do appreciate
[12:29.920 --> 12:33.520]  this, it's just fantastic that you are helping us again
[12:33.520 --> 12:36.240]  with the fundraiser, and I really am excited about you
[12:36.240 --> 12:39.400]  coming on the network and doing your show,
[12:39.400 --> 12:43.800]  I've been listening to your show, and I really appreciate it.
[12:43.800 --> 12:46.560]  And before we start going to callers, I know we've got Jeff
[12:46.560 --> 12:49.720]  from Mississippi on the line, he's been fighting a gun issue
[12:49.720 --> 12:53.360]  for quite a while regarding possession of firearm
[12:55.960 --> 12:59.880]  where he used to live, and there was a situation
[12:59.880 --> 13:02.280]  that I think you will remember, Michael,
[13:02.280 --> 13:04.560]  once we bring him on the air, and so he's been calling
[13:04.560 --> 13:07.920]  in regularly, he's been really, really taking it
[13:07.920 --> 13:10.960]  to these guys, I mean, he really has.
[13:10.960 --> 13:13.000]  I'll let him do a little recap of his story
[13:13.000 --> 13:15.800]  once we get on the air, but Michael, why don't you tell us
[13:15.800 --> 13:18.600]  about some of the interesting developments that have
[13:18.600 --> 13:21.840]  happened around here lately concerning firearms
[13:21.840 --> 13:26.080]  and firearms laws, I know that UT, University of Texas
[13:26.080 --> 13:31.080]  at Austin recently made it their policy that students
[13:31.200 --> 13:34.720]  that have concealed carry license can start carrying
[13:34.720 --> 13:39.200]  on campus, which I think was a big achievement.
[13:39.200 --> 13:42.240]  It's not the best, I mean, we want folks to be able
[13:42.240 --> 13:45.160]  to carry without a license, but at least it's something,
[13:45.160 --> 13:48.640]  at least UT is no longer what I call
[13:48.640 --> 13:53.480]  a victim disarmament zone, i.e. gun-free zone,
[13:53.480 --> 13:55.400]  because of course that's where all these mass shootings
[13:55.400 --> 13:57.080]  happen is in these gun-free zones.
[13:57.080 --> 13:59.680]  I mean, if you were a mass shooter, killer,
[13:59.680 --> 14:02.760]  wanted to go shoot up a bunch of people, where would you go?
[14:02.760 --> 14:06.320]  Obviously, you would go to a victim disarmament zone,
[14:06.320 --> 14:09.160]  a gun-free zone, so I'm really happy to see that UT
[14:09.160 --> 14:11.680]  has at least made some steps in that direction,
[14:13.320 --> 14:16.920]  but there was a very unusual demonstration
[14:17.880 --> 14:22.880]  by some pro Second Amendment folks on UT after this happened,
[14:22.880 --> 14:25.520]  which I found quite bizarre, and I really didn't get
[14:25.520 --> 14:29.000]  the point, and I heard some of your comments on it, Michael,
[14:29.000 --> 14:32.920]  and I have to agree with your assessment of the matter,
[14:32.920 --> 14:35.760]  so I don't know, I just wanted to discuss that a little bit
[14:35.760 --> 14:38.160]  before we go to the callers, but Randy,
[14:38.160 --> 14:39.280]  did you have a comment?
[14:41.400 --> 14:45.840]  No, just that these guys who want to go
[14:45.840 --> 14:48.440]  and shoot a bunch of people, they want to go
[14:48.440 --> 14:49.680]  to a Turkey shoot.
[14:49.680 --> 14:51.480]  Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's the whole point.
[14:51.480 --> 14:54.000]  They do not want to go to a gunfight.
[14:54.000 --> 14:56.960]  No, no, they don't want to go to a gunfight.
[14:56.960 --> 15:00.080]  When this happened in Connecticut,
[15:00.080 --> 15:04.000]  my first reaction was, arm the teachers,
[15:06.000 --> 15:11.000]  and the first place that authorized teachers
[15:11.280 --> 15:13.880]  to carry weapons was Texas.
[15:13.880 --> 15:15.320]  Yay.
[15:15.320 --> 15:17.520]  These guys don't want to come to a place
[15:17.520 --> 15:19.000]  where somebody's shooting back at them.
[15:19.000 --> 15:20.120]  No, they don't.
[15:20.120 --> 15:23.760]  The whole idea is not to shoot at anybody.
[15:24.720 --> 15:26.720]  You know, I tell the story, I was once thrown
[15:26.720 --> 15:30.560]  out of the top half of a window of a beer joint
[15:30.560 --> 15:31.880]  in Korat, Thailand.
[15:33.240 --> 15:36.400]  It was during the heart of the Tet Offensive in Vietnam.
[15:37.760 --> 15:42.160]  Everybody in the beer joint was armed to the teeth.
[15:42.160 --> 15:44.960]  There was an Air Force base and an Army base
[15:44.960 --> 15:48.000]  right next to each other, and we were always fighting
[15:48.000 --> 15:48.840]  with each other.
[15:48.840 --> 15:51.280]  A big fight breaks out, they threw me through
[15:51.280 --> 15:52.760]  the top half of the window.
[15:53.680 --> 15:58.680]  Nobody in the building, everybody was armed to the teeth.
[15:59.360 --> 16:02.640]  Nobody ever even considered pulling a weapon.
[16:03.640 --> 16:06.440]  Your own people would shoot you if you pulled a weapon.
[16:08.280 --> 16:11.120]  An armed society is a polite society.
[16:11.120 --> 16:12.080]  Right, right.
[16:12.080 --> 16:15.600]  Everybody who listens to my show know I hate guns.
[16:15.600 --> 16:17.280]  They know I don't own any guns.
[16:17.280 --> 16:19.080]  I don't want guns around me.
[16:20.120 --> 16:22.480]  I've spent too much time on the sharp end.
[16:22.480 --> 16:23.880]  You've spent too much time on the sharp end.
[16:23.880 --> 16:25.280]  I want everybody else.
[16:25.280 --> 16:26.880]  I want other people to have them.
[16:27.680 --> 16:30.680]  Because that's what keeps us from having to use them.
[16:30.680 --> 16:32.720]  Exactly, okay, we're going to break here.
[16:32.720 --> 16:35.600]  I want to keep Michael on the line to get some comments
[16:35.600 --> 16:38.760]  about this UT situation.
[16:38.760 --> 16:41.760]  No longer a victim disarmament zone, however,
[16:41.760 --> 16:46.240]  a very unusual demonstration that took place as a result.
[16:46.240 --> 16:48.840]  And then maybe we can talk to Jeff in Mississippi
[16:48.840 --> 16:50.440]  about his firearms case.
[16:50.440 --> 16:51.280]  We'll be right back.
[16:51.280 --> 16:52.440]  This is the rule of law,
[16:52.440 --> 16:54.600]  Rainey Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[16:54.600 --> 16:55.920]  We're here with a very special guest,
[16:55.920 --> 16:57.680]  Michael Cargill, we'll be right back.
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[19:00.800 --> 19:05.800]  We're listening to the Logos Radio Network,
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[19:10.800 --> 19:37.560]  Look what we got, only us, we're Christians.
[19:37.560 --> 19:42.080]  Look what we got, and they don't ever answer.
[19:42.080 --> 19:44.080]  And so can sleep inside.
[19:44.080 --> 19:46.080]  It's not all those issues for me, Lord.
[19:46.080 --> 19:48.880]  How they want we can make it easy.
[19:48.880 --> 19:50.840]  They might talk way too politically,
[19:50.840 --> 19:53.920]  and them getting mad and angry.
[19:53.920 --> 19:56.400]  But they might stand up and fight and fight
[19:56.400 --> 19:58.920]  for the freedom and the free.
[19:58.920 --> 20:00.800]  And they like them love slavery
[20:00.800 --> 20:02.960]  and get handouts from the government.
[20:02.960 --> 20:07.480]  Look what we got, and they ask the question.
[20:07.480 --> 20:12.480]  Look what we got, and they don't ever answer.
[20:12.480 --> 20:14.480]  And so can sleep inside.
[20:14.480 --> 20:26.480]  They might tear you, they might tear me.
[20:26.480 --> 20:29.000]  All right, tear me, they might tear you,
[20:29.000 --> 20:32.000]  they might tear we, they might tear up the whole country
[20:32.000 --> 20:33.280]  if we let them.
[20:33.280 --> 20:36.280]  But we are not letting them,
[20:36.280 --> 20:37.880]  at least not here on the rule of law
[20:37.880 --> 20:40.320]  and not on Come and Talk It either.
[20:40.320 --> 20:42.120]  We are here with our very special guest,
[20:42.120 --> 20:44.600]  Michael Cargill, local business owner
[20:44.600 --> 20:47.160]  of Central Texas Gun Works here in Texas.
[20:47.160 --> 20:50.840]  He is going to be a talk show host here on Logos.
[20:50.840 --> 20:53.480]  He's gonna be starting his show in a few weeks here
[20:53.480 --> 20:55.800]  on Wednesdays at 5 p.m. Central Time.
[20:55.800 --> 20:57.520]  Come and Talk It.
[20:57.520 --> 21:02.520]  And he is also sponsoring our annual fundraiser this year,
[21:02.520 --> 21:06.920]  the two firearms, the Spikes Tactical Lower Receiver
[21:06.920 --> 21:08.680]  and also the Taurus Curve,
[21:08.680 --> 21:11.160]  very sweet looking little firearm.
[21:11.160 --> 21:13.040]  Looks like it'd be good for concealed carry,
[21:13.040 --> 21:13.880]  fit in your pocket.
[21:13.880 --> 21:16.640]  We're gonna be talking about some concealed carry issues
[21:16.640 --> 21:19.200]  here coming up on UT and other things.
[21:19.200 --> 21:22.360]  But first, Michael wants to talk about
[21:22.360 --> 21:25.240]  some new firearms laws here in Texas
[21:25.240 --> 21:26.800]  that went into effect on January 1st.
[21:26.800 --> 21:29.200]  And Jeff from Mississippi, we see you,
[21:29.200 --> 21:31.040]  and just hang on the line there,
[21:31.040 --> 21:34.000]  and we will be with you in just a few minutes here.
[21:34.000 --> 21:36.760]  Okay, so Michael, tell us, what is the latest?
[21:37.640 --> 21:39.400]  Yes, starting January the 1st,
[21:39.400 --> 21:42.880]  we now in the state of Texas now have open carry.
[21:42.880 --> 21:44.760]  You can now openly carry your handgun.
[21:44.760 --> 21:48.280]  So what that means is Texas is now the 45th state
[21:48.280 --> 21:51.920]  to actually have open carry of a handgun.
[21:51.920 --> 21:54.600]  So you have to have a handgun license.
[21:54.600 --> 21:56.120]  The state of Texas, what they've done is
[21:56.120 --> 21:57.640]  they've actually changed their
[21:57.640 --> 22:00.000]  concealed handgun license program.
[22:00.000 --> 22:02.920]  So it's no longer called the concealed handgun license.
[22:02.920 --> 22:06.880]  It's now called the license to carry handgun, LTC.
[22:06.880 --> 22:09.200]  So that means that you will have choice in Texas.
[22:09.200 --> 22:11.480]  You'll be able to conceal carry your handgun
[22:11.480 --> 22:14.400]  or openly carry your handgun with a handgun license.
[22:14.400 --> 22:17.760]  And that also means that you can have a handgun license
[22:17.760 --> 22:20.800]  from another state that Texas recognizes.
[22:20.800 --> 22:23.880]  So let's say you have a handgun license from Florida.
[22:23.880 --> 22:25.400]  Well, Texas recognizes Florida,
[22:25.400 --> 22:28.200]  so that means with that Florida license,
[22:28.200 --> 22:30.440]  you will be able to come to Texas
[22:30.440 --> 22:34.280]  and conceal carry or openly carry your handgun in Texas.
[22:34.280 --> 22:36.400]  And that went into effect January the 1st.
[22:36.400 --> 22:38.560]  Now, the kicker to this is,
[22:38.560 --> 22:40.920]  if you're going to openly carry that handgun,
[22:40.920 --> 22:43.520]  the handgun will need to be in a holster.
[22:43.520 --> 22:46.120]  It needs to be in a holster that fits on your belt
[22:46.120 --> 22:47.400]  or a shoulder holster if you're gonna
[22:47.400 --> 22:49.320]  openly carry that handgun.
[22:49.320 --> 22:51.520]  But if you're going to conceal carry your handgun,
[22:51.520 --> 22:53.320]  it doesn't have to be in a holster.
[22:53.320 --> 22:55.520]  But we recommend that gun be in a holster.
[22:55.520 --> 22:57.880]  Your gun should always be in a holster
[22:57.880 --> 22:58.720]  if you're gonna carry it.
[22:58.720 --> 23:00.280]  But for concealed carrying,
[23:00.280 --> 23:02.080]  it doesn't have to be in a holster.
[23:02.080 --> 23:04.640]  But for open carry, it does have to be in a holster.
[23:04.640 --> 23:07.760]  A holster that fits in your belt or your shoulder holster.
[23:07.760 --> 23:10.440]  Now also, what we have that's gonna go into effect
[23:10.440 --> 23:12.360]  this year is campus carry.
[23:12.360 --> 23:16.440]  Now that's gonna go into effect August the 1st of 2016.
[23:16.440 --> 23:20.600]  So what that means is, anyone with a handgun license
[23:20.600 --> 23:23.960]  will be able to carry their handgun concealed
[23:23.960 --> 23:25.960]  inside of a building of a college campus
[23:25.960 --> 23:28.480]  starting August the 1st of 2016.
[23:28.480 --> 23:30.640]  Now that's a very important date
[23:30.640 --> 23:34.080]  because August the 1st of 2016 was the 50th,
[23:34.080 --> 23:36.360]  well, it's going to be the 50th anniversary
[23:36.360 --> 23:40.080]  of the Charles Whitman shooting at UC campus.
[23:40.080 --> 23:40.920]  Wow.
[23:40.920 --> 23:43.880]  And yes, so that date is very important.
[23:43.880 --> 23:46.160]  So August the 1st of 2016 is when campus carry
[23:46.160 --> 23:47.000]  would go into effect.
[23:47.000 --> 23:47.840]  Okay, so.
[23:47.840 --> 23:48.720]  You can still carry your handgun
[23:48.720 --> 23:50.040]  inside of a building of a college campus.
[23:50.040 --> 23:52.280]  So Michael, is this across the board
[23:52.280 --> 23:56.040]  for every college campus in the state of Texas?
[23:56.040 --> 23:56.880]  Yes, it is.
[23:56.880 --> 23:58.440]  Oh, that is great.
[23:58.440 --> 24:01.320]  Yeah, that's for your public university.
[24:01.320 --> 24:03.520]  Now your private university,
[24:03.520 --> 24:07.120]  they can actually opt out is what people are using.
[24:07.120 --> 24:08.880]  And I really don't like that term
[24:08.880 --> 24:11.800]  because they can opt in and opt out right now anyway.
[24:11.800 --> 24:14.240]  So what they're gonna have to do is
[24:14.240 --> 24:15.400]  the private universities,
[24:15.400 --> 24:17.560]  if they don't want you to carry on their campus,
[24:17.560 --> 24:18.600]  they're gonna have to post a third
[24:18.600 --> 24:20.240]  that'll six on in each building.
[24:20.240 --> 24:23.160]  And for the University of Texas,
[24:23.160 --> 24:24.920]  which is a public university.
[24:24.920 --> 24:25.920]  So the public universities,
[24:25.920 --> 24:27.720]  they can actually name certain places
[24:27.720 --> 24:29.440]  that you cannot carry.
[24:29.440 --> 24:30.840]  So let's say for an example,
[24:30.840 --> 24:32.920]  they decide that they don't want anyone
[24:32.920 --> 24:34.840]  to carry inside the dorm.
[24:34.840 --> 24:35.880]  So what they're gonna have to do
[24:35.880 --> 24:38.920]  is post a third that'll six on at their dorms.
[24:38.920 --> 24:40.880]  But the majority of the campus,
[24:40.880 --> 24:43.200]  you won't be able to conceal carry inside.
[24:43.200 --> 24:44.040]  Well, is there a-
[24:44.040 --> 24:44.880]  And that's for your public university.
[24:44.880 --> 24:48.440]  This seems like kind of a loophole to me for the bad guys.
[24:48.440 --> 24:52.680]  I mean, is there a limit to how many buildings
[24:52.680 --> 24:54.360]  or what kind of buildings
[24:54.360 --> 24:57.480]  that these campuses can quote opt out of?
[24:57.480 --> 24:58.480]  I mean, what if they just decide
[24:58.480 --> 24:59.800]  to opt out of every building
[24:59.800 --> 25:01.000]  and the only way you can carry
[25:01.000 --> 25:02.720]  is just like walking up and down
[25:02.720 --> 25:04.280]  around the sidewalks of campus?
[25:04.280 --> 25:05.200]  I mean, what good is that
[25:05.200 --> 25:06.680]  if you can't carry it into the class?
[25:06.680 --> 25:07.760]  Where are you gonna leave it?
[25:07.760 --> 25:12.080]  They don't have lockers on college campuses, you know.
[25:12.920 --> 25:15.120]  Yeah, and we're actually working on that now.
[25:15.120 --> 25:17.960]  They cannot do the majority of the public university.
[25:17.960 --> 25:20.040]  They can only do certain buildings.
[25:20.040 --> 25:22.760]  So they can only do, they can't do the classroom.
[25:22.760 --> 25:24.360]  They can do like maybe the dorms.
[25:24.360 --> 25:26.640]  They can do the hospitals that are located on the campus
[25:26.640 --> 25:27.760]  and that's about it.
[25:27.760 --> 25:30.400]  Or any place that has chemicals
[25:30.400 --> 25:34.720]  or like the lab chemistry or something like that,
[25:34.720 --> 25:36.760]  it can prohibit you from carrying in that building.
[25:36.760 --> 25:39.240]  And they can prohibit from in the dorms too?
[25:39.240 --> 25:41.240]  I mean, that seems ludicrous to me
[25:41.240 --> 25:44.440]  because what good is it if you can't have it
[25:44.440 --> 25:47.000]  where you live, where you rest, where you sleep?
[25:47.000 --> 25:48.160]  I don't understand this at all.
[25:48.160 --> 25:50.160]  And if you live on campus,
[25:50.160 --> 25:53.840]  where are you supposed to store your firearm
[25:53.840 --> 25:55.320]  when you're not in the dorm?
[25:55.320 --> 25:56.320]  That's where you live.
[25:56.320 --> 25:58.840]  I mean, that's pretty bad.
[25:58.840 --> 26:00.280]  Oh, and I agree with you.
[26:00.280 --> 26:01.760]  Like I said, we're working on it.
[26:01.760 --> 26:02.600]  It's-
[26:02.600 --> 26:04.200]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[26:04.200 --> 26:09.200]  Is that open carry in the dorm or carry of any time?
[26:10.040 --> 26:10.880]  Carry of any time.
[26:10.880 --> 26:12.960]  This is concealed carry.
[26:12.960 --> 26:14.640]  This is only concealed carry.
[26:14.640 --> 26:18.560]  Now, when open carry, now that open carry is in effect now,
[26:18.560 --> 26:21.360]  everywhere that you can concealed carry your handgun
[26:21.360 --> 26:23.800]  in Texas, you can openly carry your handgun
[26:23.800 --> 26:25.760]  with the exception of a college campus.
[26:25.760 --> 26:29.280]  You cannot openly carry that handgun on a college campus,
[26:29.280 --> 26:31.560]  not even on the street sidewalks, walkways,
[26:31.560 --> 26:32.680]  parking lots, garages.
[26:34.520 --> 26:39.520]  Yeah, but when open carry comes in on campus in August-
[26:40.960 --> 26:43.880]  No, open carry is already in effect right now.
[26:43.880 --> 26:45.840]  So with a handgun license,
[26:45.840 --> 26:48.720]  the person can open carry their handgun right now in Texas,
[26:48.720 --> 26:49.920]  as of January the 1st.
[26:49.920 --> 26:52.880]  What about on campus, on a college campus?
[26:52.880 --> 26:55.680]  But they cannot do it on a college campus.
[26:55.680 --> 26:58.520]  You cannot openly carry a handgun on a college campus,
[26:58.520 --> 27:00.920]  not in the buildings, even when concealed carry
[27:00.920 --> 27:02.000]  on campus doesn't affect-
[27:02.000 --> 27:03.760]  That will come in in August.
[27:03.760 --> 27:08.160]  No, no, he's saying that on August 1st,
[27:08.160 --> 27:11.840]  concealed carry will come into effect on campus,
[27:11.840 --> 27:15.240]  but open carry is not coming into effect on campus.
[27:15.240 --> 27:16.080]  Is that right, Michael?
[27:16.080 --> 27:16.920]  Correct.
[27:16.920 --> 27:17.760]  Okay.
[27:17.760 --> 27:18.600]  That is correct.
[27:18.600 --> 27:22.000]  Okay, if you are legally concealed carry
[27:22.000 --> 27:25.640]  up to the door of your dormitory,
[27:26.880 --> 27:31.880]  then can you take the weapon out of the concealed environment,
[27:31.880 --> 27:35.280]  hold it in your hand and take it and store it where you live?
[27:35.280 --> 27:40.280]  It depends on if they're going to allow that in the dorm.
[27:42.080 --> 27:43.960]  So like I said, they're working on that.
[27:43.960 --> 27:46.880]  So we have to wait and see what the University of Texas
[27:46.880 --> 27:47.720]  is going to come down.
[27:47.720 --> 27:49.320]  So if they restrict your right to bring the weapon
[27:49.320 --> 27:51.640]  into the dorm at all,
[27:51.640 --> 27:56.640]  that has the effect of suppressing the execution of a law.
[27:59.640 --> 28:00.640]  And that's-
[28:00.640 --> 28:03.360]  Now, let me put it to you this way, okay?
[28:03.360 --> 28:05.360]  The majority of people that actually live in dorms
[28:05.360 --> 28:08.320]  are 18, 19, 20 years old, correct?
[28:08.320 --> 28:09.160]  Yes.
[28:09.160 --> 28:10.000]  Would you say that?
[28:10.000 --> 28:10.840]  Yes.
[28:10.840 --> 28:12.400]  Okay, those people cannot get a handgun license.
[28:12.400 --> 28:13.720]  You have to be at least 21 years-
[28:13.720 --> 28:14.560]  Oh, I see.
[28:14.560 --> 28:17.160]  Irrelevant issue, irrelevant issue.
[28:17.160 --> 28:21.400]  If I happen to be 50 years old and live in the dorm,
[28:22.280 --> 28:25.840]  then I have a right to concealed carry.
[28:25.840 --> 28:28.320]  If I live in the dorm and they don't allow me
[28:28.320 --> 28:31.840]  to take it to my home, they deny me my right.
[28:31.840 --> 28:33.240]  How do they get past that?
[28:34.560 --> 28:37.600]  So you have a good argument,
[28:37.600 --> 28:41.480]  and I hope you, being 50 years old, living in a dorm,
[28:41.480 --> 28:43.200]  contact the University of Texas and say,
[28:43.200 --> 28:45.320]  hey, I'm a licensed holder
[28:45.320 --> 28:48.320]  and I want to be able to carry inside my room.
[28:48.320 --> 28:50.040]  And they're going to have to figure out
[28:50.040 --> 28:52.200]  what they're going to do with you.
[28:52.200 --> 28:57.200]  They can't pass a rule that would deny you in your right
[28:57.200 --> 29:02.200]  to, deny you in your exercise of the right to carry a weapon.
[29:07.480 --> 29:10.120]  So it would seem like that is going,
[29:10.120 --> 29:12.000]  if they have that restriction,
[29:12.000 --> 29:16.800]  the restriction is specifically to eliminate your ability
[29:16.800 --> 29:19.000]  to concealed carry anywhere on the campus.
[29:19.960 --> 29:24.560]  Because always your ultimate destination
[29:24.560 --> 29:27.480]  is going to be where you live.
[29:27.480 --> 29:28.320]  If you can't take it where you live,
[29:28.320 --> 29:29.160]  you can't have it.
[29:29.160 --> 29:30.760]  And I agree with you 100 percent.
[29:30.760 --> 29:32.200]  I agree with you 100 percent.
[29:34.560 --> 29:37.360]  All right, well, we are going to break again.
[29:37.360 --> 29:38.800]  We see you, Jeff, from Mississippi.
[29:38.800 --> 29:39.800]  Just hang on the line there.
[29:39.800 --> 29:41.440]  We have a couple other things we want to go over
[29:41.440 --> 29:43.800]  with Michael before we start taking calls.
[29:43.800 --> 29:47.160]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
[29:47.160 --> 29:48.800]  here with Michael Cargill.
[29:48.800 --> 29:51.800]  And folks, we are launching our fundraiser,
[29:51.800 --> 29:55.440]  our 2016 fundraiser, so get in on the action
[29:55.440 --> 29:57.440]  and get your name in the drawing for the firearms.
[29:57.440 --> 29:58.440]  We'll be right back.
[30:02.000 --> 30:04.360]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments
[30:04.360 --> 30:05.760]  of our constitution.
[30:05.760 --> 30:07.640]  They guarantee the specific freedoms
[30:07.640 --> 30:09.400]  Americans should know and protect.
[30:09.400 --> 30:11.120]  Our liberty depends on it.
[30:11.120 --> 30:13.120]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be right back
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[30:14.960 --> 30:16.520]  your First Amendment rights.
[30:16.520 --> 30:18.480]  Privacy is under attack.
[30:18.480 --> 30:20.360]  When you give up data about yourself,
[30:20.360 --> 30:22.120]  you'll never get it back again.
[30:22.120 --> 30:23.880]  And once your privacy is gone,
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[33:51.680 --> 33:54.680]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[33:54.680 --> 33:58.680]  We are here with our very special guest, Mr. Michael Cargill,
[33:58.680 --> 34:01.680]  and we are talking about these new gun laws
[34:01.680 --> 34:04.680]  that have gone into effect, the open carry,
[34:04.680 --> 34:07.680]  and now we've got the campus concealed carry
[34:07.680 --> 34:09.680]  that's gonna be going into effect August 1st.
[34:09.680 --> 34:12.680]  And, Michael, before you go into the next topic,
[34:12.680 --> 34:14.680]  one thing I wanted to ask you,
[34:14.680 --> 34:18.680]  these new laws, or I guess mainly I'm talking about the one
[34:18.680 --> 34:23.680]  that's the license carry now, they're calling it license carry,
[34:23.680 --> 34:28.680]  that does not affect what has already been longstanding
[34:28.680 --> 34:33.680]  for a while regarding carrying while traveling, right?
[34:33.680 --> 34:37.680]  I mean, you can still have a firearm in your car
[34:37.680 --> 34:40.680]  as long as it's hidden away and stuff like that.
[34:40.680 --> 34:44.680]  And, technically, you can still have a firearm
[34:44.680 --> 34:47.680]  concealed on your person while you're on private property
[34:47.680 --> 34:50.680]  and coming and going from one private property
[34:50.680 --> 34:53.680]  to another private property while you're in your car.
[34:53.680 --> 34:55.680]  I mean, stuff like that, right?
[34:55.680 --> 34:59.680]  It doesn't affect the traveling carry, is that correct?
[34:59.680 --> 35:00.680]  That is correct.
[35:00.680 --> 35:01.680]  Okay, good.
[35:01.680 --> 35:03.680]  So right now, you could have a handgun in Texas
[35:03.680 --> 35:06.680]  without a license at home to and from your home,
[35:06.680 --> 35:08.680]  your vehicle, inside your vehicle,
[35:08.680 --> 35:11.680]  if it's a person under your control, your place of business.
[35:11.680 --> 35:13.680]  You can have a handgun without a license
[35:13.680 --> 35:15.680]  on a watercraft, that is a boat.
[35:15.680 --> 35:17.680]  You can have a handgun without a license
[35:17.680 --> 35:19.680]  in a travel trailer, camp trailer, truck camper,
[35:19.680 --> 35:21.680]  motorhome, and your horse trailer living quarters.
[35:21.680 --> 35:23.680]  And also, if it's used in an activity,
[35:23.680 --> 35:25.680]  so if you're out fishing, hunting,
[35:25.680 --> 35:28.680]  doing other lawful purposes, then yes,
[35:28.680 --> 35:32.680]  you can have that handgun and it can be loaded.
[35:32.680 --> 35:33.680]  You can have a loaded handgun.
[35:33.680 --> 35:36.680]  It just must be concealed in the vehicle.
[35:36.680 --> 35:38.680]  Okay, good, good.
[35:38.680 --> 35:39.680]  Okay, great.
[35:39.680 --> 35:45.680]  So let's continue on to the next topic.
[35:45.680 --> 35:47.680]  Michael, you wanted to make some comments
[35:47.680 --> 35:52.680]  about this demonstration.
[35:52.680 --> 35:55.680]  Oh, this mock mass shooting.
[35:55.680 --> 35:57.680]  Yeah, why don't you tell the listeners what happened
[35:57.680 --> 36:01.680]  for listeners out there that don't know what happened?
[36:01.680 --> 36:02.680]  Sure.
[36:02.680 --> 36:04.680]  There was an organization in North Texas,
[36:04.680 --> 36:07.680]  Come and Take It Texas, who wanted to do
[36:07.680 --> 36:10.680]  a demonstration at the UT campus, a mock mass shooting.
[36:10.680 --> 36:15.680]  They wanted to show UT campus what it would be like
[36:15.680 --> 36:18.680]  to experience a shooting.
[36:18.680 --> 36:20.680]  And I think that's just the dumbest idea
[36:20.680 --> 36:22.680]  you can ever come up with, you know,
[36:22.680 --> 36:24.680]  because we can take a look at the shooting
[36:24.680 --> 36:26.680]  that happened, you know, the weeks before this
[36:26.680 --> 36:29.680]  demonstration in California.
[36:29.680 --> 36:31.680]  We know what it looks like when there's a mass shooting.
[36:31.680 --> 36:33.680]  We know what to expect.
[36:33.680 --> 36:34.680]  What we're trying to do is teach people
[36:34.680 --> 36:36.680]  how to prevent them from happening.
[36:36.680 --> 36:38.680]  Teach you how not to be a victim.
[36:38.680 --> 36:40.680]  Those are some of the things we need to teach people,
[36:40.680 --> 36:42.680]  not showing them what happens
[36:42.680 --> 36:44.680]  when a mock mass shooting because we know what happens.
[36:44.680 --> 36:47.680]  You know, a lot of people get shot and killed.
[36:47.680 --> 36:49.680]  So to me, it was the dumbest thing
[36:49.680 --> 36:51.680]  that they ever wanted to do.
[36:51.680 --> 36:54.680]  And so they decided to do this on UT campus
[36:54.680 --> 36:58.680]  on a Saturday, the last day of finals for the students.
[36:58.680 --> 37:01.680]  So the students were finishing up their finals,
[37:01.680 --> 37:05.680]  getting ready to go for the Christmas break.
[37:05.680 --> 37:08.680]  And a lot of them had finished their finals.
[37:08.680 --> 37:09.680]  This group decided they were going to do
[37:09.680 --> 37:11.680]  the mock mass shooting.
[37:11.680 --> 37:13.680]  And so the students, you know, of course,
[37:13.680 --> 37:16.680]  finished their finals, decided to do a channel protest.
[37:16.680 --> 37:17.680]  Okay?
[37:17.680 --> 37:18.680]  So this is on a Saturday.
[37:18.680 --> 37:22.680]  They have nothing else to do but to mess with, you know,
[37:22.680 --> 37:24.680]  these guys during the mock mass shooting.
[37:24.680 --> 37:27.680]  And pretty much, you know, made a fool of these guys.
[37:27.680 --> 37:29.680]  And it was just, it was a disgrace,
[37:29.680 --> 37:31.680]  something that never should have happened.
[37:31.680 --> 37:33.680]  And I'm just so disappointed that they actually,
[37:33.680 --> 37:35.680]  you know, carried this out.
[37:35.680 --> 37:39.680]  And I don't understand what the motive for this was
[37:39.680 --> 37:45.680]  because supposedly this is a pro-Second Amendment organization
[37:45.680 --> 37:47.680]  that decided to do this.
[37:47.680 --> 37:52.680]  And apparently they had to have some help or some coordination
[37:52.680 --> 37:55.680]  and participation from UT students
[37:55.680 --> 37:59.680]  because outside organizations cannot just come on a campus,
[37:59.680 --> 38:02.680]  especially UT, and just hold demonstrations
[38:02.680 --> 38:03.680]  and do things like this.
[38:03.680 --> 38:04.680]  You have to be...
[38:04.680 --> 38:07.680]  And it's funny you say that because the University of Texas
[38:07.680 --> 38:10.680]  said, you know what, you're not a part of any organization on campus,
[38:10.680 --> 38:13.680]  so you're not allowed on campus.
[38:13.680 --> 38:16.680]  And they told them that if they did do some type of demonstration
[38:16.680 --> 38:19.680]  on that campus, they would have them arrested for trespassing
[38:19.680 --> 38:21.680]  because they're not part of any organization
[38:21.680 --> 38:24.680]  or any other group that's associated with the campus.
[38:24.680 --> 38:29.680]  So what they ended up doing was going in the areas in the community
[38:29.680 --> 38:32.680]  in Austin where the students live,
[38:32.680 --> 38:34.680]  and they did this in the neighborhood.
[38:34.680 --> 38:36.680]  So they didn't actually do it on UT campus.
[38:36.680 --> 38:40.680]  They did it in the neighborhoods that were just off campus.
[38:40.680 --> 38:41.680]  That is correct.
[38:41.680 --> 38:46.680]  Okay, and again, I just...
[38:46.680 --> 38:50.680]  And Michael, I know that you've caught some flak
[38:50.680 --> 38:53.680]  for your position on this matter,
[38:53.680 --> 38:56.680]  but I have to agree with you 100% on this.
[38:56.680 --> 38:58.680]  And I don't care what kind of flak I get
[38:58.680 --> 39:02.680]  because I do not understand the motive, okay?
[39:02.680 --> 39:04.680]  I am a logical person.
[39:04.680 --> 39:05.680]  I'm a math major.
[39:05.680 --> 39:06.680]  That's what I studied in college.
[39:06.680 --> 39:08.680]  I do computer programming.
[39:08.680 --> 39:09.680]  I solve math theorems.
[39:09.680 --> 39:12.680]  Okay, I do deductive reasoning.
[39:12.680 --> 39:16.680]  I do not understand why these people did this.
[39:16.680 --> 39:20.680]  And you're saying that supposedly the reason,
[39:20.680 --> 39:22.680]  or at least their stated reason,
[39:22.680 --> 39:25.680]  was they wanted to show UT what it would be like
[39:25.680 --> 39:26.680]  to have a mass shooting there.
[39:26.680 --> 39:27.680]  Why?
[39:27.680 --> 39:33.680]  They did this after the law was passed
[39:33.680 --> 39:37.680]  to allow concealed carry on campus.
[39:37.680 --> 39:39.680]  So what is the point?
[39:39.680 --> 39:43.680]  I mean, if I was just some random passerby,
[39:43.680 --> 39:47.680]  I might, who didn't know anything about gun laws
[39:47.680 --> 39:48.680]  or anything like that,
[39:48.680 --> 39:52.680]  and maybe who knows which direction I would be leaning,
[39:52.680 --> 39:54.680]  but if I was just some random passerby,
[39:54.680 --> 39:58.680]  I almost would maybe think that this whole thing
[39:58.680 --> 40:04.680]  was being pulled off by an anti-gun organization,
[40:04.680 --> 40:07.680]  like some kind of gun grabbing organization,
[40:07.680 --> 40:12.680]  trying to stage a shooting in the wake of allowing concealed carry
[40:12.680 --> 40:16.680]  to make the point that, oh, see, this is what's going to happen
[40:16.680 --> 40:18.680]  now that guns are allowed on campus.
[40:18.680 --> 40:20.680]  I mean, if I was just some random passerby
[40:20.680 --> 40:21.680]  not really paying attention,
[40:21.680 --> 40:25.680]  I might think that because of the timing of this.
[40:25.680 --> 40:29.680]  I mean, it makes absolutely no sense at all.
[40:29.680 --> 40:33.680]  It really kind of sheds a bad light on the whole thing
[40:33.680 --> 40:36.680]  of the concealed carry, if you ask me.
[40:36.680 --> 40:37.680]  I just don't get it.
[40:37.680 --> 40:41.680]  I mean, I could understand if they would do a demonstration like that.
[40:41.680 --> 40:45.680]  If, for example, the legislature had voted,
[40:45.680 --> 40:49.680]  no, we're not going to allow any carrying on campus.
[40:49.680 --> 40:52.680]  Okay, I could understand a demonstration like that,
[40:52.680 --> 40:54.680]  because then they would be making the point of,
[40:54.680 --> 40:56.680]  see, this is what's going to happen
[40:56.680 --> 41:01.680]  because you guys are not allowing the students to defend themselves.
[41:01.680 --> 41:03.680]  Okay, that would make sense.
[41:03.680 --> 41:05.680]  Or maybe if they staged that kind of demonstration
[41:05.680 --> 41:11.680]  before the legislature made their decision to make the point of,
[41:11.680 --> 41:16.680]  see, if you guys don't start allowing the students to protect themselves,
[41:16.680 --> 41:17.680]  this is what's going to happen,
[41:17.680 --> 41:22.680]  because all these mass shootings happen in what we call victim disarmament zones,
[41:22.680 --> 41:26.680]  i.e. gun-free zones.
[41:26.680 --> 41:29.680]  But for them to do something like this after the fact,
[41:29.680 --> 41:34.680]  Michael, it makes no sense at all,
[41:34.680 --> 41:37.680]  and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with.
[41:37.680 --> 41:41.680]  I mean, I just don't understand what the motive could possibly be.
[41:41.680 --> 41:46.680]  And I agree with you 100%, because what upset me the most is
[41:46.680 --> 41:49.680]  because we have been fighting for campus carry for decades.
[41:49.680 --> 41:52.680]  We've been fighting for campus carry for over 10 years.
[41:52.680 --> 41:55.680]  All of a sudden now, campus carry has passed.
[41:55.680 --> 41:59.680]  Our state legislators have signed off on it.
[41:59.680 --> 42:00.680]  The governor has signed it.
[42:00.680 --> 42:05.680]  It's now going to become law, August 1, 2016, for your public university
[42:05.680 --> 42:09.680]  and August 1, 2017, for your community colleges.
[42:09.680 --> 42:11.680]  It's passed.
[42:11.680 --> 42:12.680]  The governor has signed it.
[42:12.680 --> 42:18.680]  Now this group comes along who did nothing to help us get campus carry passed at all.
[42:18.680 --> 42:20.680]  Not one of them testified.
[42:20.680 --> 42:23.680]  Not one of them went to the Capitol to do anything to help us.
[42:23.680 --> 42:28.680]  And now they come forward, do this mock mass shooting and try to make a mockery
[42:28.680 --> 42:31.680]  and try to disgrace us and try to screw things up.
[42:31.680 --> 42:33.680]  And that pisses me off.
[42:33.680 --> 42:34.680]  Well, I agree too.
[42:34.680 --> 42:36.680]  And Michael, wait, hold on one second, Randy.
[42:36.680 --> 42:37.680]  I want to ask a question here.
[42:37.680 --> 42:39.680]  Michael, do you even know who these people are?
[42:39.680 --> 42:43.680]  Because looking at this, and I don't want to make any accusations.
[42:43.680 --> 42:46.680]  I'm not going to make any over accusations because I haven't done any research.
[42:46.680 --> 42:53.680]  But to me, this has all the hallmark signs of what I would call a wrecker, okay,
[42:53.680 --> 43:00.680]  which is almost even like a false flag where maybe, who knows, that the people running this,
[43:00.680 --> 43:04.680]  maybe they're really not pro-Second Amendment.
[43:04.680 --> 43:09.680]  Maybe they are, you know, gun grabbers in disguise going around
[43:09.680 --> 43:15.680]  pulling stupid crap like this to make us look bad and to undermine the movement
[43:15.680 --> 43:19.680]  because you're saying they had nothing to do with any of this.
[43:19.680 --> 43:20.680]  They never testified.
[43:20.680 --> 43:21.680]  They never did anything.
[43:21.680 --> 43:22.680]  So what?
[43:22.680 --> 43:23.680]  No, you know what?
[43:23.680 --> 43:24.680]  I smell a rat, okay?
[43:24.680 --> 43:29.680]  I'm not going to come right out and accuse them of being a gun grabbing organization in disguise.
[43:29.680 --> 43:34.680]  But I'm just saying every time something like this happens,
[43:34.680 --> 43:41.680]  it is very often that things are not what they appear to be, okay, very often.
[43:41.680 --> 43:45.680]  So we'll see, we will see who these guys really are.
[43:45.680 --> 43:46.680]  What, Randy?
[43:46.680 --> 43:47.680]  Quick question.
[43:47.680 --> 43:51.680]  Did they stage a mass shooting or a gun fight?
[43:51.680 --> 43:52.680]  A mass shooting.
[43:52.680 --> 43:54.680]  It was a mock mass shooting.
[43:54.680 --> 43:55.680]  Okay, listen, we've got to go to break.
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[46:14.680 --> 46:37.680]  Okay, we are back. This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[46:37.680 --> 46:43.680]  We are here with our very special guest, Michael Cargill from Central Texas Gun Works,
[46:43.680 --> 46:47.680]  and we are talking about this very bizarre demonstration.
[46:47.680 --> 46:53.680]  And again, I am not out and out accusing these guys of being a gun-grabbing organization in disguise.
[46:53.680 --> 46:58.680]  I'm just saying this looks highly suspicious, highly suspicious, okay?
[46:58.680 --> 47:02.680]  Either they are just dumb as a box of rocks and don't know what they're doing
[47:02.680 --> 47:09.680]  and don't realize that they're damaging and undermining the movement, or else things are not as they appear to be.
[47:09.680 --> 47:15.680]  It's one or the other. I don't know what it is, but we're going to get to the bottom of it eventually.
[47:15.680 --> 47:20.680]  And Randy wanted to make a comment. Also, Bill from Texas is on the line.
[47:20.680 --> 47:26.680]  He wants to make a comment on all of this, and he thinks he knows why it possibly might have been staged.
[47:26.680 --> 47:28.680]  We'll get to you, Bill, in just a minute.
[47:28.680 --> 47:31.680]  But Randy was asking a question before we went to break.
[47:31.680 --> 47:43.680]  Was this a staged gunfight or a staged mass shooting, i.e., one crazy nut with a gun in a victim disarmament zone?
[47:43.680 --> 47:46.680]  And we said, no, this was a staged mass shooting.
[47:46.680 --> 47:51.680]  And, you know, honestly, it would make more sense if they had staged an actual gunfight.
[47:51.680 --> 47:55.680]  All right, but go ahead, Randy. Make your comment.
[47:55.680 --> 48:02.680]  I've never been involved in a mass shooting, but I have been involved in gunfights.
[48:02.680 --> 48:16.680]  And I can assure you that there's something very comforting about hearing the whine of a bullet that's coming from behind you instead of in front of you.
[48:16.680 --> 48:33.680]  If these guys were actually guns rights activists and they were proposing that someone came on campus and attempted to conduct himself a mass shooting,
[48:33.680 --> 48:39.680]  then they would have demonstrated what it's like when bullets come from the other direction.
[48:39.680 --> 48:41.680]  And I've said this on the air before.
[48:41.680 --> 48:47.680]  These guys who execute these mass shootings, they want to go to a Turkish shoot.
[48:47.680 --> 48:50.680]  They do not want to go to a gunfight.
[48:50.680 --> 48:52.680]  None of it makes any sense at all.
[48:52.680 --> 48:53.680]  Michael, what are your comments?
[48:53.680 --> 48:58.680]  Do you have any idea or research on who these guys are?
[48:58.680 --> 49:00.680]  Oh, yeah, we know exactly who they are.
[49:00.680 --> 49:08.680]  It's Cummins Take It Texas, which is, you know, typically they're, you know, a great, you know, poor pro-Second Amendment organization.
[49:08.680 --> 49:11.680]  So they do, you know, a good job of promoting the Second Amendment.
[49:11.680 --> 49:19.680]  It's just this particular incident here, I just totally disagree with, you know, them doing anything, doing this type of demonstration.
[49:19.680 --> 49:27.680]  Do you have any feedback from them on why they did what they did at this time in this way?
[49:27.680 --> 49:29.680]  And I'll tell you what I did.
[49:29.680 --> 49:36.680]  You know, when I found out that they actually were going to do this demonstration, what I did was I contacted them on the telephone and I said,
[49:36.680 --> 49:41.680]  hey, you know, I want to talk to both the organizers of this event.
[49:41.680 --> 49:44.680]  I said, hey, I totally disagree with what you guys are doing.
[49:44.680 --> 49:46.680]  I wish you would not do this.
[49:46.680 --> 49:53.680]  I said, I'm waiting for opinions to come down from the Texas Attorney General on several different issues.
[49:53.680 --> 50:00.680]  And by you guys doing something like this, you know, there's a possibility that you guys could mess up those opinions
[50:00.680 --> 50:05.680]  and then cause problems with us, you know, getting some things that we're trying to get done here.
[50:05.680 --> 50:07.680]  But everything is not said and done.
[50:07.680 --> 50:15.680]  You know, we're still waiting on opinions on schools, which we just got, which was not great opinion.
[50:15.680 --> 50:19.680]  At the time, we were waiting on this opinion and we're waiting on other opinions.
[50:19.680 --> 50:25.680]  And you know, by them causing some type of ruckus, causing a problem, it could have interfered with that.
[50:25.680 --> 50:27.680]  You know, we're working hard.
[50:27.680 --> 50:33.680]  Like I said, we've been working for decades trying to get this stuff done in this state, which we shouldn't have to work this hard, you know,
[50:33.680 --> 50:40.680]  especially since we have Republicans, you know, our House and our Senate is actually controlled by the Republicans.
[50:40.680 --> 50:45.680]  So it shouldn't be this difficult to get pro-Second Amendment legislation passed, but it is.
[50:45.680 --> 50:51.680]  And by this organization doing what they're doing on the UT campus, the one campus that will fight you tooth and nail,
[50:51.680 --> 51:00.680]  have no trouble with, you know, leaving classrooms, you know, to, you know, launch a counter protest, they will do this.
[51:00.680 --> 51:08.680]  You do it on that campus on Saturday, a Saturday when they have nothing else more to do than to screw with you, you do it on that campus.
[51:08.680 --> 51:12.680]  And they totally made a fool out of them.
[51:12.680 --> 51:14.680]  I'm not impressed at all.
[51:14.680 --> 51:17.680]  I am not impressed at all.
[51:17.680 --> 51:19.680]  I don't like it.
[51:19.680 --> 51:21.680]  I don't agree with it.
[51:21.680 --> 51:23.680]  I smell a rat still.
[51:23.680 --> 51:26.680]  We shall see.
[51:26.680 --> 51:30.680]  Actually, I have some more comments I want to make about this.
[51:30.680 --> 51:36.680]  But first, I want to go to the caller here and see what our caller has to say about this.
[51:36.680 --> 51:38.680]  Bill from Texas.
[51:38.680 --> 51:42.680]  Bill, what is your take on all of this?
[51:42.680 --> 51:44.680]  Well, I think they had a really good idea.
[51:44.680 --> 51:47.680]  And the reason is because things aren't quite finished.
[51:47.680 --> 51:54.680]  They were trying to influence President Finvie's, and he had the option of barring them from carrying the classrooms or not.
[51:54.680 --> 51:57.680]  And by staging that, they showed that this could happen.
[51:57.680 --> 52:00.680]  This was just north of Kensalving Dorm.
[52:00.680 --> 52:02.680]  It was right across from that church.
[52:02.680 --> 52:07.680]  It was on University of Texas property, right across from Mary's Student Housing.
[52:07.680 --> 52:11.680]  They were on the very edge of the university.
[52:11.680 --> 52:18.680]  So by staging a distraction over on the drag, they had the mass shooting over by the church.
[52:18.680 --> 52:22.680]  And they demonstrated that this could happen on campus.
[52:22.680 --> 52:24.680]  And I thought it was brilliant.
[52:24.680 --> 52:26.680]  And they showed this could happen.
[52:26.680 --> 52:29.680]  It took 16 minutes for the cops to get over there.
[52:29.680 --> 52:30.680]  I mean, how else are you going to show that?
[52:30.680 --> 52:42.680]  So, Bill, you're saying that the reason they did this was to influence the president or whoever makes the decisions on this matter at UT,
[52:42.680 --> 52:51.680]  that this could happen if you guys decide to ban carrying, like, say, in classrooms or something like that?
[52:51.680 --> 52:53.680]  Is that what you're saying?
[52:53.680 --> 52:54.680]  That's the big issue.
[52:54.680 --> 52:56.680]  Are they going to allow it in classrooms?
[52:56.680 --> 53:01.680]  And this demonstrated that it's necessary because shootings can happen on campus.
[53:01.680 --> 53:07.680]  Even with tons of cops about a mile away, it still took the cops 16 minutes to get over there.
[53:07.680 --> 53:08.680]  Interesting.
[53:08.680 --> 53:10.680]  Here's the kicker to it.
[53:10.680 --> 53:14.680]  We just had a shooting the week before, a real shooting where people were actually killed.
[53:14.680 --> 53:18.680]  And if that didn't influence them, trust me, nothing else is going to influence them.
[53:18.680 --> 53:23.680]  What we need to do is actually continue on, push legislation, you know, get them,
[53:23.680 --> 53:32.680]  get our legislators to actually come back January of 2017 and make a stronger bill to get more, you know,
[53:32.680 --> 53:38.680]  be able to carry in more places on campuses and get rid of these, you know, total restrictions altogether.
[53:38.680 --> 53:40.680]  That's the way to do it.
[53:40.680 --> 53:42.680]  Do any mock-match shooting?
[53:42.680 --> 53:43.680]  We don't need to do a mock-match shooting.
[53:43.680 --> 53:45.680]  We know when a shooting is going to happen.
[53:45.680 --> 53:49.680]  We saw one last week and the week before and the week before that.
[53:49.680 --> 53:52.680]  And that still is not going to change the gun grabber's mind.
[53:52.680 --> 53:58.680]  We just saw the president of the United States pull this bullcrap of doing tears in front of the American people.
[53:58.680 --> 53:59.680]  Okay?
[53:59.680 --> 54:02.680]  Trust me, we're not going to change their mind.
[54:02.680 --> 54:05.680]  What we're going to do is going to jam some legislation down their throat.
[54:05.680 --> 54:08.680]  I'm going to put my foot on their throat, and that's what's going to change their minds
[54:08.680 --> 54:10.680]  because I'm going to get my way in the legislature.
[54:10.680 --> 54:13.680]  I don't care about changing their mind.
[54:13.680 --> 54:19.680]  Yeah, or how about sue them into oblivion and take their pension and stuff like that
[54:19.680 --> 54:26.680]  because what Randy and I have found over the years with these rogue public servants
[54:26.680 --> 54:31.680]  and even in quasi whatever you want to call it, public-private institutions,
[54:31.680 --> 54:37.680]  a lot of times the only thing that gets their attention is to get slammed with a lawsuit.
[54:37.680 --> 54:39.680]  But I don't know.
[54:39.680 --> 54:43.680]  My jury is out on this.
[54:43.680 --> 54:45.680]  I'm not so sure it was a good idea.
[54:45.680 --> 54:48.680]  I think there's other ways that the point could have been made.
[54:48.680 --> 54:53.680]  It just seems a little bizarre to me.
[54:53.680 --> 54:56.680]  I would suggest a way to get veterans.
[54:56.680 --> 55:00.680]  The reason this was weak this time is because of House Speaker Strauss.
[55:00.680 --> 55:02.680]  He let it go until he held it until the very end,
[55:02.680 --> 55:06.680]  hoping the Democrats could shove it to death and they just missed.
[55:06.680 --> 55:13.680]  But the way to put pressure on this is to run somebody in Strauss' district.
[55:13.680 --> 55:17.680]  We got to put pressure on Strauss, got to put pressure on his lieutenants
[55:17.680 --> 55:20.680]  like Phillips and Cook, among others.
[55:20.680 --> 55:22.680]  And we got rid of Harless.
[55:22.680 --> 55:23.680]  Patricia Harless is gone.
[55:23.680 --> 55:24.680]  Now, wait a minute.
[55:24.680 --> 55:26.680]  To put pressure on them for what?
[55:26.680 --> 55:28.680]  The bill already passed.
[55:28.680 --> 55:34.680]  It sounds to me like the pressure we need to put, if any, at this point would be on the
[55:34.680 --> 55:44.680]  whoever the policymakers are at the universities to not prohibit carry in any of the buildings.
[55:44.680 --> 55:46.680]  I mean, the law has already passed.
[55:46.680 --> 55:51.680]  I mean, what good is it going to do to pressure our legislators at this point?
[55:51.680 --> 55:55.680]  Well, what we can do is come back the next session and come back with a stronger bill.
[55:55.680 --> 55:57.680]  Okay, but that's next session.
[55:57.680 --> 56:00.680]  The legislature in Texas only meets every other year.
[56:00.680 --> 56:02.680]  What are we going to do in the meantime?
[56:02.680 --> 56:05.680]  We're not going to, trust me.
[56:05.680 --> 56:06.680]  This is University of Texas.
[56:06.680 --> 56:08.680]  This is the heart of liberalism in the state of Texas.
[56:08.680 --> 56:10.680]  You're not going to change their mind.
[56:10.680 --> 56:13.680]  Not going to change their mind, yeah.
[56:13.680 --> 56:14.680]  I doubt it.
[56:14.680 --> 56:16.680]  I doubt we'll change their mind.
[56:16.680 --> 56:18.680]  I tend to agree with you on that one, Michael.
[56:18.680 --> 56:23.680]  But yeah, you know, I do agree with the call that we need to get that.
[56:23.680 --> 56:28.680]  Despite what they say, it's necessary to have concealed carry going to classrooms
[56:28.680 --> 56:30.680]  because it can happen on campus.
[56:30.680 --> 56:35.680]  They demonstrated it can happen on campus.
[56:35.680 --> 56:37.680]  But the one part I do...
[56:37.680 --> 56:40.680]  It showed it could happen.
[56:40.680 --> 56:44.680]  The one part I do agree with the caller is that we need to do something about Strauss
[56:44.680 --> 56:45.680]  and get rid of Strauss.
[56:45.680 --> 56:47.680]  We need to run someone in his district.
[56:47.680 --> 56:50.680]  We are working with someone right now that's actually,
[56:50.680 --> 56:55.680]  we're trying to do something in that district and dump some money there
[56:55.680 --> 56:58.680]  to possibly get someone else to win.
[56:58.680 --> 57:01.680]  Yeah, and one of the best ways to get rid of entrenched incumbents
[57:01.680 --> 57:04.680]  is to kick them out during the primaries.
[57:04.680 --> 57:09.680]  So we need to get somebody, a strong candidate in Strauss' party
[57:09.680 --> 57:15.680]  to get him voted out in the primaries.
[57:15.680 --> 57:19.680]  That's the best way to get rid of incumbents is to have somebody,
[57:19.680 --> 57:27.680]  a competitor, an opponent in the same party get rid of them in the primaries.
[57:27.680 --> 57:28.680]  Absolutely.
[57:28.680 --> 57:29.680]  Okay.
[57:29.680 --> 57:33.680]  Well, Bill, do you have any other comments on this issue?
[57:33.680 --> 57:34.680]  It's not.
[57:34.680 --> 57:35.680]  Okay.
[57:35.680 --> 57:36.680]  Well, thank you for your points.
[57:36.680 --> 57:37.680]  We appreciate it.
[57:37.680 --> 57:38.680]  Point well taken.
[57:38.680 --> 57:40.680]  I'm still not so sure.
[57:40.680 --> 57:42.680]  I still tend to agree with Michael.
[57:42.680 --> 57:45.680]  I don't think it was that good of an idea.
[57:45.680 --> 57:51.680]  You know, it's a strategic issue.
[57:51.680 --> 57:53.680]  I don't know.
[57:53.680 --> 57:55.680]  I still don't like it.
[57:55.680 --> 58:03.680]  There's plenty of staged mass shootings as there is real and fake,
[58:03.680 --> 58:05.680]  i.e. Sandy Hook.
[58:05.680 --> 58:09.680]  And folks who don't know the real story about that can go look up into it.
[58:09.680 --> 58:12.680]  I suggest that you look at some of the video reports
[58:12.680 --> 58:17.680]  that Rob Due has made on this matter regarding Sandy Hook.
[58:17.680 --> 58:22.680]  But most of the evidence is leaning towards the fact
[58:22.680 --> 58:27.680]  that it was completely staged and by that I mean that it never even happened.
[58:27.680 --> 58:28.680]  Nobody was even killed.
[58:28.680 --> 58:32.680]  It was completely fake from top to bottom.
[58:32.680 --> 58:36.680]  So we've got plenty of fake mass shootings going on as it is.
[58:36.680 --> 58:39.680]  I really don't think it's necessary to spend our time and resources
[58:39.680 --> 58:43.680]  staging more fake mass shootings when you can just look at Sandy Hook.
[58:43.680 --> 58:45.680]  Anyways, we'll be right back on the other side.
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[01:04:20.680 --> 01:04:22.680]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:04:22.680 --> 01:04:26.680]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens,
[01:04:26.680 --> 01:04:29.680]  and we are here with our very special guest tonight, Mr. Michael Cargill,
[01:04:29.680 --> 01:04:32.680]  owner of Central Texas Gunworks.
[01:04:32.680 --> 01:04:36.680]  He's going to be one of our newest talk show hosts here on the Logos Radio Network.
[01:04:36.680 --> 01:04:45.680]  His show, Come and Talk It, is going to be premiering here on Logos in a few weeks on Wednesdays at 5 p.m. Central Time.
[01:04:45.680 --> 01:04:47.680]  And so I'm really looking forward to the show.
[01:04:47.680 --> 01:04:55.680]  He is donating some firearms to the cause for the fundraiser for Logos Radio Network 2016 fundraiser.
[01:04:55.680 --> 01:05:00.680]  First place prize is the Spikes Tactical Lower Receiver for AR-15.
[01:05:00.680 --> 01:05:05.680]  Second prize is the Taurus Curve, really sweet-looking little handgun.
[01:05:05.680 --> 01:05:12.680]  And so, folks, for every $25, you get your name in the hat, and I'm really looking forward to it.
[01:05:12.680 --> 01:05:14.680]  We've had some great winners over the years.
[01:05:14.680 --> 01:05:19.680]  All right, so right now we have some callers on the board.
[01:05:19.680 --> 01:05:26.680]  We're going to go to Jeff in Mississippi, who has been fighting the gun rights issue for quite some time now.
[01:05:26.680 --> 01:05:28.680]  A lot of history there.
[01:05:28.680 --> 01:05:32.680]  Jeff, thank you for joining us tonight.
[01:05:32.680 --> 01:05:34.680]  Hi there. Can you hear me?
[01:05:34.680 --> 01:05:35.680]  Oh, yes.
[01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:40.680]  So you've been on before when Michael has been on, but just for the listeners who may not be familiar
[01:05:40.680 --> 01:05:47.680]  or just for the sake of this particular archive, why don't you give a brief overview,
[01:05:47.680 --> 01:05:50.680]  rundown of the history of your case?
[01:05:50.680 --> 01:05:54.680]  And maybe, Randy, you can provide some assistance in the summary here
[01:05:54.680 --> 01:06:00.680]  and then lead us up to where we are at or where you are at with your case today.
[01:06:00.680 --> 01:06:04.680]  So why don't you go ahead and give us a little rundown here?
[01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:07.680]  Okay. Well, I'm Jeff, and I'm from Mississippi.
[01:06:07.680 --> 01:06:09.680]  I was going to the university there.
[01:06:09.680 --> 01:06:12.680]  I got arrested for having a weapon on campus.
[01:06:12.680 --> 01:06:21.680]  I had a rifle in my bedroom closet, got convicted, and went to prison for a year down there.
[01:06:21.680 --> 01:06:29.680]  And then I got out, won my appeal, and got remanded, went back to court, and then got reconvicted.
[01:06:29.680 --> 01:06:36.680]  But it does turn out that the apartments are private property because I went and got the land title.
[01:06:36.680 --> 01:06:44.680]  So now I am trying to sue them in a Title 42, 1983.
[01:06:44.680 --> 01:06:49.680]  And I have several 1983 suits.
[01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:53.680]  And that's what I was calling is I've actually got them filed, but I have questions.
[01:06:53.680 --> 01:06:56.680]  Okay. So you were convicted.
[01:06:56.680 --> 01:06:59.680]  Then you appealed, is that right?
[01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:05.680]  And you won the appeal, but you won your appeal the first time?
[01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:06.680]  Mm-hmm.
[01:07:06.680 --> 01:07:08.680]  Okay. So what did they do?
[01:07:08.680 --> 01:07:12.680]  If you won the appeal, how did they retry you again?
[01:07:12.680 --> 01:07:19.680]  Well, I think that that was something stupid that I did because I did not object.
[01:07:19.680 --> 01:07:23.680]  But I got out of prison, won my appeal, and when I won my appeal,
[01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:27.680]  the order from the court was that it was to be remanded back to the court.
[01:07:27.680 --> 01:07:30.680]  Oh, it was to be remanded. So you were retried.
[01:07:30.680 --> 01:07:37.680]  The appeal ruled that he lacked competent counsel.
[01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:39.680]  Oh, okay.
[01:07:39.680 --> 01:07:42.680]  So that was the reason that he won the appeal.
[01:07:42.680 --> 01:07:45.680]  So it had to go back for a retrial with competent counsel.
[01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:47.680]  Okay. So you got convicted again.
[01:07:47.680 --> 01:07:51.680]  So are you appealing that second conviction?
[01:07:51.680 --> 01:07:52.680]  Yes.
[01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:56.680]  Okay. So is that currently on appeal right now?
[01:07:56.680 --> 01:07:58.680]  Yes. And that was the problem.
[01:07:58.680 --> 01:08:03.680]  The court reporter still has not provided the transcripts,
[01:08:03.680 --> 01:08:07.680]  so I'm actually doing a separate Title 42 against her.
[01:08:07.680 --> 01:08:13.680]  Okay. So the court reporter is not providing the transcripts of the second trial
[01:08:13.680 --> 01:08:15.680]  in which you were convicted.
[01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:21.680]  And so basically you cannot pursue your second appeal
[01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:23.680]  because you can't get the transcripts out of her,
[01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.680]  so now you're having to sue her for the transcript.
[01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:27.680]  Is that right?
[01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.680]  Yes. I'm suing her and my attorney
[01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:33.680]  because my attorney refuses to file any objections,
[01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:37.680]  and neither one of them are even responding back to me.
[01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:41.680]  Michael, do you see what people have to go through to fight for their right
[01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:45.680]  to bear firearms on their own home?
[01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:47.680]  Absolutely. That's just insane.
[01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.680]  And this has been going on for years, right, Jeff?
[01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:57.680]  Yes, in 2010, so it's five and a half years.
[01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:02.680]  Okay. So Randy, why don't you bring us up a little bit to speed with Jeff here
[01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:08.680]  on what's happening now and how can Jeff get this appeals process underway?
[01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:12.680]  Are there any statutes that govern the appeal process
[01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:17.680]  that say that transcripts have to be provided within a certain period of time
[01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.680]  or anything like that?
[01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.680]  Oh, yeah. Jeff, you're familiar with that.
[01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:28.680]  Jeff, you called in. What did you want to bring us up to?
[01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.680]  What did you want to bring up at this point?
[01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:39.680]  Okay. Well, I've got two 1983 cases actually filed in the court.
[01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:42.680]  They got back with me.
[01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:48.680]  I had to file in forma preparis as a proper indigent.
[01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:52.680]  I didn't have the money, and I've been told by quite a few people,
[01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:56.680]  because I do make a lot of calls, that that was a really, really stupid move
[01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:58.680]  and that they could really hurt me on that.
[01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.680]  Okay. Let me explain the problem you can have with that.
[01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:03.680]  There's one problem.
[01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:04.680]  Okay.
[01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:12.680]  When you file in forma preparis, it gives the trial judge the option of making
[01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:16.680]  a determination whether the suit is frivolous or not frivolous.
[01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:24.680]  The trial judge can dismiss the case out of hand if it's in forma preparis.
[01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:30.680]  That's really the only detriment to filing in forma preparis.
[01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:36.680]  Has the trial judge dismissed the case as frivolous?
[01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:42.680]  No. What has happened is the court has written me a letter asking me
[01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:49.680]  if I want to waive my right to have a federal judge and instead have a magistrate.
[01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:54.680]  What I did was I personally went down to the courthouse and said,
[01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.680]  no, I absolutely refuse.
[01:10:57.680 --> 01:10:59.680]  I will have a real judge.
[01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:03.680]  Then I offered to write a statement and file it in.
[01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.680]  The clerk said, oh, you don't need to write anything,
[01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.680]  or you don't even need to fill the form out.
[01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:10.680]  Just don't do anything.
[01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.680]  No, no, that is not true.
[01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:15.680]  That's not true.
[01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:21.680]  Technically, under the law, you have to waive your right to a trial judge.
[01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:22.680]  Okay.
[01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:26.680]  That may be technically true, but I have to interject here about this magistrate
[01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:32.680]  thing because I railed about this magistrate thing about two or three weeks ago.
[01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:38.680]  This magistrate thing, especially in federal court, you have to kick and scream
[01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:44.680]  and scream bloody murder from the get-go, and I mean file standing objections
[01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.680]  with the original petition, with the original pleading,
[01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:52.680]  objecting to all magistrate participation, and you have to take it to the limit,
[01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:56.680]  to the point that once a magistrate gets involved, the case just stops.
[01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.680]  You have to just stop your own case and start filing interlocutory appeals
[01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.680]  and go all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary
[01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:05.680]  to kick the magistrate out of the case.
[01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.680]  I mean it is a huge, huge fight, and you all can go back and listen to the
[01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:13.680]  archive on that whole tirade about magistrate participation
[01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.680]  and what you can do about it.
[01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:19.680]  But yeah, you can't do things verbally, Jeff.
[01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.680]  You have to do everything.
[01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.680]  You have to file documents into the court record,
[01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.680]  into the docket of the case every single time.
[01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:29.680]  Okay.
[01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.680]  So I'm going to type up a refusal that says I'm refusing a magistrate,
[01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:36.680]  and I'll go down there and file it in tomorrow.
[01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:38.680]  Yes, and that's where I was going to go.
[01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:44.680]  Technically, they can only appoint a magistrate if you fill out that agreement,
[01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:47.680]  but they'll do it whether you fill out the agreement or not.
[01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:54.680]  And what I was going to say is if the magistrate does anything,
[01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:58.680]  then you go to the state court, to the state grand jury,
[01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:07.680]  and file criminal charges to whatever jurisdiction the federal courthouse is in,
[01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:12.680]  you go to that district attorney and file criminal charges against the magistrate.
[01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:14.680]  Oh, the magistrate, okay.
[01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.680]  You want to dance, Bubba?
[01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:25.680]  You're in a federal courthouse, but that federal courthouse is not a federal enclave.
[01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:31.680]  It belongs to the state and is leased from the state by the federal government.
[01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:38.680]  That leaves anyone in the federal courthouse subject to the state common law.
[01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:44.680]  And when I say common law, I'm referring to the state penal laws.
[01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:47.680]  So if a public official exerts or purports to exert authority,
[01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:55.680]  he does not express to have in most every state that's official misconduct.
[01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:00.680]  So you accuse the federal magistrate of official misconduct and you file it in the state.
[01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:02.680]  When you file it in the state,
[01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:06.680]  the local magistrate is going to do a song and dance and seltzer down your pants
[01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.680]  and do everything he can to avoid it.
[01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:14.680]  Then you file against him and you make a big stir in the state
[01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.680]  because they won't prosecute the fed.
[01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:22.680]  And this puts the federal judge and the federal magistrate in a position
[01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:27.680]  to where they're subject to what the state does
[01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:33.680]  and they have no control over what the state does.
[01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:35.680]  Who wants to play Russian roulette?
[01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:37.680]  Okay, okay, and I have some more comments here.
[01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:42.680]  Listen, Jeff, you need to do more than just file a document
[01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:44.680]  saying you refuse magistrate participation
[01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:50.680]  because what they do as far as this magistrate participation thing,
[01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:56.680]  they assert that you only have to agree to magistrate participation
[01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:04.680]  regarding a magistrate basically overseeing a trial, okay,
[01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:12.680]  sitting on the bench to oversee and be the judicial entity at trial.
[01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:18.680]  But they assert that they don't need your participation to assign a magistrate
[01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:25.680]  to handle the ongoings of the case all the way up until the trial.
[01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:28.680]  And so if you just file a document saying you refuse that,
[01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.680]  what they're going to do is they're going to interpret that
[01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:35.680]  as you're refusing the magistrate to oversee the trial.
[01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:41.680]  What you need to do is you need to file a standing objection, okay,
[01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:47.680]  to all magistrate participation in the case, period.
[01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:51.680]  And you need to cite the Gonzalez case, okay.
[01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:56.680]  And I don't have the case cite here, but you can find it easily, very famous case.
[01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.680]  This is a U.S. Supreme Court controlling case law ruling.
[01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:05.680]  It was Gonzalez, and just look up Gonzalez, magistrate participation,
[01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:07.680]  U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
[01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:11.680]  And that is the case where basically this U.S. Supreme Court said,
[01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:18.680]  hey, you know what, you have to have the litigants' approval and agreement
[01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:23.680]  for a magistrate to do anything in the case whatsoever.
[01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:25.680]  And so that is your case law.
[01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:30.680]  That is your case law authority to back up your standing objection.
[01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:33.680]  But don't just say I refuse magistrate participation.
[01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:34.680]  You've got to cite that.
[01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.680]  It's got to be a standing objection, and you've got to cite the Gonzalez case.
[01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:41.680]  So I'll just leave it at that, and you can go look that up,
[01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:42.680]  or you can send me an email,
[01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.680]  and then I'll send you more information on the Gonzalez case.
[01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:47.680]  But Jeff, we're going to break.
[01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:50.680]  I want you to stay right there because I want to get to another issue.
[01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:55.680]  I want to talk about the channels we can go through to force this transcript
[01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:56.680]  to come out.
[01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.680]  We'll be right back.
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[01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:14.680]  This is the Logos Logos Radio Network.
[01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:27.680]  Ain't gonna blind me Don't bore me
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[01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:34.680]  Okay, we are back.
[01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:36.680]  This is Logos Radio Network.
[01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:37.680]  We are here with Michael Cargill.
[01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.680]  I'm Deborah Stevens here with Randall Kelton.
[01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.680]  And we're talking to Jeff from Mississippi here.
[01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:43.680]  We're going to wrap things up.
[01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:46.680]  We're talking about the transcript now.
[01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.680]  And yeah, all this lawsuit stuff on the civil side is great.
[01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:53.680]  But that is for damages to recompense Jeff
[01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:55.680]  because he's been harmed.
[01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:58.680]  But I want to get back to his criminal case
[01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:00.680]  and the appeals process
[01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:04.680]  and how we can force this court reporter produces transcript.
[01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:07.680]  And so I was asking Randall on the break,
[01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:11.680]  what about having a motion to the court demanding
[01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:16.680]  that the court order the court reporter to produce the transcript?
[01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:17.680]  And Randall, you said he did that
[01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:22.680]  and that the court actually did issue an order to the court reporter
[01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:26.680]  demanding that she produce the transcript and she's just not doing it.
[01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:28.680]  How long ago did, when did this happen?
[01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:30.680]  When did the court issue this order?
[01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:33.680]  Okay, Jeff, didn't you file a mandamus,
[01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:38.680]  a petition for real mandamus to order the court reporter to produce?
[01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:41.680]  No, what happened is it went two ways.
[01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:43.680]  I have an attorney.
[01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:47.680]  And so I'm using him as a punching bag.
[01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:50.680]  And I ordered him to file a motion to compel.
[01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:54.680]  And he sent me an email saying, no, I will not.
[01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:56.680]  So I'm suing him.
[01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.680]  The Supreme Court clerk, not a judge,
[01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:05.680]  but the clerk has written two orders to the court reporter
[01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:07.680]  saying that you need to get this in.
[01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:11.680]  And then on like a week after the deadline,
[01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:14.680]  then the court reporter will file for an extension,
[01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:16.680]  but she's not showing cause.
[01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:22.680]  And the clerk says, you know, we're going to need you to show clause.
[01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.680]  And the law says that, but she's not doing it.
[01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:26.680]  Okay, now wait a minute.
[01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:28.680]  Let's get back to the Supreme Court thing.
[01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:32.680]  The Supreme Court of your state, let's get this clear.
[01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.680]  Have they issued an order in the case or did they just write a,
[01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:39.680]  or did the clerk of the Supreme Court just write a letter
[01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:43.680]  to this court reporter saying she needs to do this?
[01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:46.680]  Yes, the clerk herself just wrote a letter.
[01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:51.680]  Okay, the clerk of the Supreme Court wrote a letter to the court reporter
[01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:57.680]  saying that she needs to produce the transcript.
[01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.680]  And then what happened?
[01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:04.680]  And then the court reporter filed a motion for extension of time.
[01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:07.680]  And then what happened?
[01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:11.680]  The clerk of the district court then said you have to show cause.
[01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:14.680]  What the clerk of the district court issued a notice of deficiency
[01:22:14.680 --> 01:22:16.680]  or something to the court reporter?
[01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.680]  Is that what happened?
[01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:24.680]  No, the Supreme Court clerk, the same one, just wrote an order saying
[01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:29.680]  that you need to get this transcript in by the deadline.
[01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.680]  If you don't, we're going to demand that you show cause.
[01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:35.680]  And then what happened is the court reporter came in,
[01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:39.680]  flew in right under the radar so she wouldn't get caught,
[01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:41.680]  and filed a motion for an extension.
[01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.680]  And then the clerk just granted it to her.
[01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:48.680]  So it kind of looks like they're just greasing palms.
[01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:56.680]  So, and your lawyer refused to petition for a writ amandamus
[01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:58.680]  or a motion to compel?
[01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:01.680]  Yeah, a motion to compel is what I did.
[01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:03.680]  And he wrote back and said he would not do that.
[01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:05.680]  Okay, I have a comment here.
[01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:08.680]  Did you file it yourself?
[01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:10.680]  Okay, I didn't know that I could do that
[01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:13.680]  because I didn't want to lose his function.
[01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:20.680]  Nothing in the law that said your counsel is your counsel.
[01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:23.680]  You have a right to represent yourself.
[01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:29.680]  If you need counsel, you'll call counsel and get counsel from counsel.
[01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.680]  But in the meantime, I find nothing in law that prevents you
[01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:35.680]  from filing actions in your own behalf.
[01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:39.680]  So what will happen is that they will not allow him to do that.
[01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:45.680]  If he tries to file a document in his own case,
[01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:47.680]  either the clerk will not allow him to
[01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:51.680]  or the judge will kick it out saying you have representation.
[01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.680]  And I think there is case law on that.
[01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:57.680]  Did you take him to the federal court for due process violations?
[01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:59.680]  Okay, okay, wait a minute.
[01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:03.680]  Before we start getting off into that tar baby, I have another question.
[01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.680]  This regards timing.
[01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:09.680]  Is there something in state law in Mississippi
[01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:15.680]  where Jeff is going to run out of time to pursue his appeal
[01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:19.680]  if that transcript does not appear within a certain timeframe?
[01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:23.680]  Because if that's the case, then we need to stay on point
[01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:27.680]  and do whatever it takes to push through this motion to compel,
[01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.680]  even if that means Jeff firing his lawyer
[01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:34.680]  and appealing the motion to compel all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court
[01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:38.680]  if necessary to stop the time clock from running out.
[01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:40.680]  Do you see what I'm saying?
[01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:44.680]  Otherwise, all he's going to be left with is a conviction on his record
[01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:50.680]  that he cannot appeal anymore, and then all he will have at that point
[01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:54.680]  is just civil litigation to try to get monetary compensation,
[01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:58.680]  but he'll have that criminal record for the rest of his life.
[01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:01.680]  Okay, so we needed to keep things in perspective here
[01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:03.680]  before going off on too many tar babies.
[01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:07.680]  Now, if he doesn't have any time limit to worry about,
[01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:10.680]  well, then you don't need to worry about that
[01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:12.680]  and, you know, throw all the tar babies you can at him.
[01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.680]  But I just want to keep that in mind here.
[01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:21.680]  Is there some kind of time limit that he is bound by no matter what?
[01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:24.680]  I don't know because I never thought about it.
[01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:26.680]  Okay, well, you need to consider that
[01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:30.680]  because all this palm greasing and all this delaying tactic
[01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:35.680]  could be a strategy to run you out of the clock
[01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.680]  so that you cannot appeal your case anymore,
[01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:44.680]  and unless you get that motion to compel in and have it denied
[01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.680]  and then appeal it to the appellate court,
[01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:52.680]  and then if they deny it, then you have to appeal that ruling to the state Supreme Court,
[01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:56.680]  and if they deny that, then you have to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court.
[01:25:56.680 --> 01:26:01.680]  You may have to do that even if it means firing your attorney.
[01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:05.680]  I mean, believe me, I am all for pressuring your attorney, okay?
[01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:07.680]  That is a great strategy.
[01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:14.680]  But what you don't want to do is you don't want to run yourself out of the clock on your appeal
[01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.680]  while you're spending time doing all these bar grievances
[01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:22.680]  and filing all these lawsuits against your attorney for not filing the motion to compel
[01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:25.680]  because then you'll have a criminal record for the rest of your life,
[01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:30.680]  and then all you will have left as a remedy is to just sue all these people and get money,
[01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:34.680]  and I don't think that that is a very good tradeoff, so you need to keep that in mind.
[01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:38.680]  You need to look at the statute, look at the rules of court,
[01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:44.680]  and see if there is some kind of time limit regarding pursuing this appeal.
[01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:49.680]  Jeff, have you filed your appeal?
[01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:51.680]  Yes, that's been filed.
[01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:55.680]  Okay, your appeal is in. You've made the time limit.
[01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:59.680]  Okay, for the notice of appeal, yes, but forgetting all of the...
[01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:03.680]  Wait a minute, not notice of appeal. He's filed his appeal.
[01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:06.680]  Wait a minute, notice of appeal is filing the appeal.
[01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:13.680]  Hold on, hold on. The court is waiting for the transcript.
[01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:19.680]  This is a delay that's not a delay because of Jeff.
[01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:24.680]  This is a delay that's a delay because of the court system itself.
[01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:26.680]  This doesn't count against him.
[01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:29.680]  I'm just saying you need to make sure. You need to make sure.
[01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:30.680]  You need to make absolutely sure.
[01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:35.680]  Okay, because there may be other issues at stake.
[01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:38.680]  Typically with appeals, you have to get the transcript in,
[01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:45.680]  and you also have to get a certified copy of the court record in to the appellate court,
[01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:54.680]  and sometimes it is the appellant's responsibility to make sure that that happens.
[01:27:54.680 --> 01:28:02.680]  So while you're spending all of your time trying to hammer this court reporter to get your transcript,
[01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:08.680]  you better make sure that you're not dropping the ball on some other documents or making sure
[01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:17.680]  that the certified court record being forwarded to the appellate court isn't your responsibility.
[01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:21.680]  Sometimes it's the district court clerk's responsibility to forward it.
[01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.680]  Sometimes it's the appellant's responsibility to make sure that that happens.
[01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:31.680]  So what I'm saying is this could be some kind of a bait and switch thing,
[01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:36.680]  and if you don't get whatever you're responsible for taking care of done in time,
[01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:38.680]  then you may end up having a problem.
[01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:39.680]  That's all I'm trying to say.
[01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:44.680]  Just make sure that you know that you are thoroughly familiar with the process,
[01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:53.680]  because you may have to let one of the TAR babies go so that you can get on with the business
[01:28:53.680 --> 01:28:55.680]  of making sure that you get this appeal done.
[01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:57.680]  That's the only point I was trying to make.
[01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:01.680]  That's a good point. I had exactly this problem in Cherokee County,
[01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:06.680]  where it was my responsibility to get the transcript in,
[01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:12.680]  but the court reporter didn't get the transcript in and it cost me an appeal.
[01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:17.680]  Now, see, that's exactly what I'm talking about right there.
[01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:19.680]  That's exactly what I'm talking about.
[01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:24.680]  So you need to go to the Court of Appeals and petition them for a writ of mandamus
[01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:27.680]  ordering the court reporter to get the transcript.
[01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:32.680]  Wait a minute, writ of mandamus is when a higher court orders a lower court to do something.
[01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:34.680]  What he needs is a motion to compel.
[01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:36.680]  All right, I think we've covered this.
[01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:40.680]  We need to move on when we get on the other side, but Jeff, does that make sense to you?
[01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:48.680]  You need to do some research on what the procedure really is specifically for these appeals, okay?
[01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:51.680]  Yeah, I'm going to need to email somebody.
[01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.680]  Okay, all right, just send me and Randy both an email.
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[01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:16.680]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
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[01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:23.680]  Mr. Michael Cargill of Central Texas Gunworks.
[01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:29.680]  And he has a few more closing statements to say, and then we'll continue on with some more callers.
[01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:35.680]  So, Michael, if you would just give us a recap here of what's going on with the firearms
[01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:41.680]  and the fundraisers and plug your website and your business and all that good stuff.
[01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:42.680]  Absolutely.
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[01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:13.680]  Yes, and right now we have a replay of his radio show that he's doing on a local AM station.
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[01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:36.680]  All right.
[01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:39.680]  Thank you very much for joining us tonight, Michael.
[01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:44.680]  Absolutely. And like I always say, more guns equals less crime. Go out and buy yourself a gun.
[01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:45.680]  Amen to that.
[01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:51.680]  Go out and buy yourself a gun and make sure you buy it from Michael Cargill at Central Texas Gunworks.
[01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:52.680]  All right.
[01:37:52.680 --> 01:37:52.680]  Thank you.
[01:37:52.680 --> 01:37:53.680]  You guys have a wonderful night.
[01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:54.680]  All right.
[01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:55.680]  Thank you, Michael.
[01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:56.680]  Good night.
[01:37:56.680 --> 01:37:57.680]  Good night.
[01:37:57.680 --> 01:37:58.680]  Okay.
[01:37:58.680 --> 01:37:59.680]  Very good.
[01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:00.680]  All right.
[01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.680]  Now we are going to talk to John in Colorado quickly before we go to Andrew.
[01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:11.680]  Andrew, I know you've been holding, but John is on topic here concerning appellate time deadlines.
[01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:13.680]  But this has to do with Colorado.
[01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:18.680]  So I guess just as an example, John, thank you for calling in tonight.
[01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:24.680]  So what is the deal there in Colorado with appeal deadlines?
[01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:25.680]  Yes.
[01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:26.680]  Thanks for taking my call.
[01:38:26.680 --> 01:38:30.680]  I'm at District Court and I have appealed up to the appellate level.
[01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:34.680]  At least in Colorado, it is a responsibility.
[01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:35.680]  John, hold on.
[01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:36.680]  Hold on.
[01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:37.680]  I'm having a lot of trouble hearing you.
[01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:38.680]  Yes.
[01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:40.680]  John, can you speak up please?
[01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:41.680]  Okay.
[01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:42.680]  Hello?
[01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:43.680]  Yes.
[01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:44.680]  That's a little bit better.
[01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:46.680]  Are you talking into the handset?
[01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:48.680]  I'm trying to right now, yes.
[01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:49.680]  Okay.
[01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:50.680]  That's a little better.
[01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:51.680]  Yes.
[01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:53.680]  Just get the phone a little bit closer and try to speak up if you can.
[01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:54.680]  Okay.
[01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:56.680]  So in Colorado, what's going on?
[01:38:56.680 --> 01:39:03.680]  It is the responsibility of the appellant to ensure that the certified records from
[01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:08.680]  the District Court get to the appeals court within the timeframe.
[01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:13.680]  And I have an appeals case and it was running out of time.
[01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:18.680]  The District Court, the clerk of the District Court would not take any action.
[01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:24.680]  And there is an ability to file for an extension of time and it says for good cause shown.
[01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:31.680]  So I put in an extension of time on the last day when it was due and then 12 days later
[01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:35.680]  the records did show up from the District Court.
[01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:40.680]  But I think in cases like this where people are pro se, they can easily say, well, you
[01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:42.680]  missed the deadline so you're done.
[01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:43.680]  Okay.
[01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:50.680]  So it is possible, depending on what the laws are in Mississippi, that Jeff may very well
[01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:57.680]  need to file sooner rather than later a motion for extension of time to get all of the records
[01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:05.680]  in and of course the cause is that the clerk won't give it or I guess the court reporter
[01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:07.680]  will not produce the transcript.
[01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:10.680]  I would say that's a pretty good cause for extension of time.
[01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.680]  But I think that, yeah, you have a really good point there.
[01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:18.680]  If it's the appellant's responsibility for ensuring that all these records get forwarded
[01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:27.680]  to the appellate court, then Jeff very likely will need to file a motion for extension of time.
[01:40:27.680 --> 01:40:28.680]  Right.
[01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.680]  And there is that facility in the rules in Colorado.
[01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:35.680]  And one thing I'd like to relate also in Colorado, what they did at the District Court level
[01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:42.680]  is they, so if you're indigent, you can get some of the costs waived.
[01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:47.680]  So what they did a few years ago is they made the people who do the transcripts, they took
[01:40:47.680 --> 01:40:51.680]  that away from the government and they outsourced it.
[01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:55.680]  So therefore, it's not a cost that can be paid to the court.
[01:40:55.680 --> 01:40:58.680]  So therefore, the court cannot waive that cost.
[01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:02.680]  So if you need a transcript, you have to come up with the funds out of your own pocket,
[01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:04.680]  even if the court has said that you're indigent.
[01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:09.680]  Yeah, and I'm not sure if that's an issue with Jeff or not.
[01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:15.680]  I think that transcript has already been paid for and that we're just waiting on the court
[01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:18.680]  reporter to produce it.
[01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:22.680]  Yeah, I would be very careful with the deadlines and make sure you at least get in a motion
[01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:24.680]  for extension of time.
[01:41:24.680 --> 01:41:25.680]  Thanks for your show.
[01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:26.680]  I really like your topic.
[01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:27.680]  Yes, thank you, John.
[01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:29.680]  You have an excellent point.
[01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.680]  I mean, there's bound to be multiple different deadlines.
[01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:38.680]  Obviously, there is a deadline for filing your Notice of Appeal, which is filing the appeal.
[01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:39.680]  It's the same thing.
[01:41:39.680 --> 01:41:40.680]  You file a Notice of Appeal.
[01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:46.680]  But I mean, technically, what the appeal really is, is it's all the documents.
[01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:52.680]  It's the certified record from the district court plus your appeal brief.
[01:41:52.680 --> 01:41:55.680]  And so there's got to be deadlines for all of these things.
[01:41:55.680 --> 01:42:02.680]  I mean, typically, what ends up happening, at least in federal court, they once the records have been
[01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:09.680]  forwarded to the appellate court, the clerk of the district court has to certify the record,
[01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:15.680]  give you a copy, and then it is the appellant's responsibility to forward that to the appellate court,
[01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:17.680]  in federal court.
[01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:18.680]  Same thing with the transcript.
[01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:26.680]  It's the appellant's responsibility to obtain a certified transcript and to forward that to the appellate court.
[01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:32.680]  Now, I'm not sure if there are deadlines as far as when those records have to be in.
[01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:36.680]  I think that there are, especially with the transcript.
[01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:43.680]  But I have never, that's never been an issue in any of the cases I've dealt with because the federal courts,
[01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:51.680]  you know, clerks and court reporters have not ever pulled any stunts like this that I've experienced
[01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:57.680]  or anybody that I have known have not experienced anything like this at the federal level.
[01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:03.680]  But I know for sure that once those records are forwarded to the appellate courts,
[01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:07.680]  at that point in time, once the clerk of the appellate court looks over everything
[01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:10.680]  and says, okay, we're good to go, you've satisfied these requirements,
[01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:17.680]  then at that point they will set a deadline for when your brief is due, okay?
[01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:19.680]  And you better get that brief in.
[01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:24.680]  And if you want an extension of time, it better be a real good reason, okay?
[01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:28.680]  And as far as the deadline for filing a notice of appeal, that's it,
[01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:33.680]  that you don't get extensions for time for that in federal court, especially in civil cases.
[01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:36.680]  So all right, that's my take on that.
[01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:41.680]  There are likely deadlines for Jeff getting these records in,
[01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:45.680]  so he probably ought to look at filing a motion for extension of time.
[01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:47.680]  So folks, be aware of these kind of shenanigans.
[01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:49.680]  You need to know the rules of court.
[01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:53.680]  You need to know what the statutes say governing these matters in your state.
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[01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:33.680]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, and I'm Deborah Stevens here on this Thursday,
[01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:37.680]  January the 7th, 2016.
[01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:39.680]  Somebody's going to police the policeman.
[01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:41.680]  Somebody's going to bully the bully.
[01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:46.680]  That's right, and hopefully it will be you and me, folks.
[01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:49.680]  We are going to Andrew from Pennsylvania now.
[01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:51.680]  Andrew, thank you for calling in.
[01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:54.680]  What is your question or comment tonight?
[01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:56.680]  It's for Randy, mainly.
[01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:57.680]  Okay, sure.
[01:46:57.680 --> 01:46:58.680]  Go ahead.
[01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:03.680]  The whole thing that was, okay, it pertains to that thing back in September when I went down
[01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:09.680]  to Arizona from Pennsylvania, rented a car, got pulled over, allegedly for speeding on the
[01:47:09.680 --> 01:47:12.680]  Arizona highway, tried to use any crazy transportation scripts.
[01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:16.680]  The officer didn't know anything about our transportation laws on the point.
[01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:19.680]  It was in commerce, and he decided to get very abusive.
[01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.680]  I didn't have my windows rolled up.
[01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.680]  Excuse me, shame on me for that one, although he probably would have bashed it out if they
[01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:26.680]  weren't rolled up, seeing the way he reacted.
[01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:30.680]  Well, after getting out after my dear sweet mama bailed me out with her credit card, I
[01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:37.680]  got out, called Randy, and he told me, Randy had told me, file a motion to dismiss a removal
[01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:42.680]  of traffic case and a federal lawsuit with both the Maricopa County Prosecutor and the
[01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:46.680]  federal courts, even though the federal courts sent my thing back because I did some sort
[01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:51.680]  of technical issue on catching on the thing, the prosecutor never sent me anything back,
[01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:56.680]  but they did refund my mother like a $490 something check.
[01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.680]  That was presumably for my bail money.
[01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:02.680]  You told me that's a very good indication they want to just drop the case against you
[01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:04.680]  because it's not profitable for them to go after you.
[01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:10.680]  Well, apparently not, because I got a summons in the mail yesterday, and it's from Maricopa
[01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:13.680]  County, Arizona in the East Mesa Justice Court.
[01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:17.680]  I'll try to read the important things here, saying the complaint has been filed in this
[01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:22.680]  court against you charging that Maricopa County on September 26, the crimes have been committed
[01:48:22.680 --> 01:48:27.680]  at excessive speed, class three misdemeanor, and failure to stop them by identification.
[01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:35.680]  First of all, this has received December 18, 2015, and it says here, and I got this yesterday
[01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:39.680]  in the mail, I had to pick it up the post office, it was certified mail, and it says,
[01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:42.680]  you are hereby summoned to appear before this court to answer this complaint.
[01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:43.680]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:45.680]  Don't read all of the whole documents.
[01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:47.680]  You haven't noticed to appear.
[01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:49.680]  That's enough.
[01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:53.680]  They're going to prosecute the case.
[01:48:53.680 --> 01:48:58.680]  My question to you, Rios, you are in Pennsylvania.
[01:48:58.680 --> 01:49:02.680]  The case is in Arizona.
[01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:07.680]  What do you want to do with this case?
[01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:15.680]  What, for you, would be an equitable outcome, an outcome you can live with?
[01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:19.680]  Well, what I was going to ask you is, would it make sense for me to just file the same
[01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:25.680]  three motions that you asked me to file before, before the previous notice of my preliminary
[01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:27.680]  hearing, which was going to be on October 6.
[01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:32.680]  I got it into the documents you told me to file before that, like a couple days before
[01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:37.680]  that, it had to stand certified mail to make it clear, okay, I got this filed in the post
[01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:38.680]  office before the trial.
[01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:43.680]  So I'm thinking, if I were to file those exact same three documents that you told me to file
[01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:47.680]  before, maybe with a couple extra invasions just to make sure they're absolutely correct.
[01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:48.680]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:52.680]  Did you send them certified mail?
[01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:57.680]  Yeah, I have a post people stamp it.
[01:49:57.680 --> 01:50:03.680]  Okay, if you have a certified return receipt, then you don't have to send them again.
[01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:09.680]  But the reason I ask you what would be an equitable outcome is because you're in Pennsylvania
[01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.680]  and they're in Arizona.
[01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:23.680]  And it's really, really hard to fight a case, pro se, when you're several states away.
[01:50:23.680 --> 01:50:28.680]  So what do you want to do here?
[01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:32.680]  Do you want to prove a point with the state of Arizona?
[01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:41.680]  Do you want to get the courts of the state of Arizona to dismiss this case based on the
[01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:43.680]  right to travel?
[01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:53.680]  And if so, how much are you willing to pay to get that done?
[01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:57.680]  Oh, well, I'll be nice to pay nothing because all they want is my money.
[01:50:57.680 --> 01:50:59.680]  Good luck on that.
[01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:01.680]  That's not going to happen.
[01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:03.680]  Forget that noise.
[01:51:03.680 --> 01:51:04.680]  Okay.
[01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:07.680]  The traffic courts are all about collecting money.
[01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:09.680]  That's all they care about.
[01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:13.680]  They don't care about law, they don't care about right of things.
[01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:15.680]  They only care about collecting money.
[01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:17.680]  It's an unauthorized tax.
[01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:22.680]  Since they have no authority to collect in the first place, they know full well it's
[01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:24.680]  an unauthorized tax.
[01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:26.680]  They don't care.
[01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:28.680]  They're just trying to collect money.
[01:51:28.680 --> 01:51:33.680]  Now they've got somebody who's out of state and it's going to be very difficult for you
[01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:34.680]  to fight them.
[01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:42.680]  So the reason I said that was that you might want to get counsel in Arizona if you want
[01:51:42.680 --> 01:51:46.680]  to fight this case.
[01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:47.680]  Okay.
[01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:52.680]  So that means I would have to fly a plane trip all the way to Arizona on the...
[01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:54.680]  I'm having a lot of trouble understanding you.
[01:51:54.680 --> 01:52:00.680]  Are you on a computer mic or something?
[01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:01.680]  No, no.
[01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:04.680]  I'm on my own cell phone.
[01:52:04.680 --> 01:52:05.680]  Can you hear me better now?
[01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:07.680]  Not much.
[01:52:07.680 --> 01:52:09.680]  You're not on hands...
[01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:12.680]  Are you on a Bluetooth or something?
[01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:14.680]  No, it's just a regular...
[01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:15.680]  Okay, okay.
[01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:17.680]  Well, I'm having a little trouble understanding this.
[01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.680]  And part of it, you're from Pennsylvania.
[01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:26.680]  And generally, people from Pennsylvania, they talk faster than I can listen.
[01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:28.680]  Okay.
[01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:35.680]  So you have a case in Arizona and they know you're from Pennsylvania and it would be hard
[01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:38.680]  for you to come to Arizona to fight them.
[01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:44.680]  So if you want to fight the case, I'm going to suggest that you consider hiring counsel
[01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:53.680]  because then you can get counsels behind and get him to do things that may get this case
[01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:56.680]  positioned to where you want it.
[01:52:56.680 --> 01:53:07.680]  And my suggestion is if you want to fight the traffic issue, fight it in Pennsylvania.
[01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:13.680]  Don't fight it a thousand miles away.
[01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:15.680]  I would suggest you get counsel.
[01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.680]  We'll get counsel to go down and say, this guy's going to give us all a hard time.
[01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:20.680]  He's going to be real difficult.
[01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:25.680]  Let's make him a deal he can't pass up and make this thing go away.
[01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:34.680]  And it has been my experience that it works out a lot better if you get in a legal fight,
[01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:38.680]  if you pick the fight.
[01:53:38.680 --> 01:53:43.680]  They pick the fight in a place that's extremely inconvenient for you.
[01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:49.680]  So they have a very strong advantage against you.
[01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:53.680]  It's not that big a deal, but it could become a big deal.
[01:53:53.680 --> 01:53:59.680]  I'm going to suggest you don't let it become a big deal on a moral ground.
[01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:01.680]  I won't.
[01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:04.680]  Let's be reasonable.
[01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:06.680]  Fight the fight we can win.
[01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:11.680]  If you want to fight the traffic issue, pick the fight in Pennsylvania.
[01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:14.680]  In the area where you live, go pick a fight with them.
[01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:21.680]  It's a lot more fun when you pick the fight than when it's in a place where you can fight it.
[01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:27.680]  You're going to fight a case that's over 1,000 miles away.
[01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:29.680]  They've got so much leverage against you.
[01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:41.680]  I don't think you can win it unless you're independently wealthy.
[01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:46.680]  You have to know I fully understand the moral position.
[01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:52.680]  You don't want to have to give in to these scoundrels.
[01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:55.680]  And I appreciate that position.
[01:54:55.680 --> 01:55:03.680]  But I'm a combat veteran, and I learned some things in combat.
[01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:11.680]  You only fight the fights that you can win.
[01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:20.680]  And even if you can win a fight, you don't get in it unless you'll gain something from winning it.
[01:55:20.680 --> 01:55:25.680]  If you win this fight in Pennsylvania, what's it likely to cost you?
[01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:31.680]  How much of your resources are you going to use up fighting these guys?
[01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:41.680]  And what kind of value will be returned if you beat them?
[01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:43.680]  Good question.
[01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:48.680]  I'm going to suggest you do what you can to make this thing go away.
[01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:56.680]  And probably the best thing you can do, you won't be able to deal with them because they already know you're 1,000 miles away.
[01:55:56.680 --> 01:56:04.680]  They have a strong leverage position unless you hire an attorney in Arizona.
[01:56:04.680 --> 01:56:12.680]  An attorney in Arizona will save you more money than you would have to pay if you try to fight them yourself
[01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:18.680]  because you'll go in and get this thing off your record, make the whole thing go away.
[01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:21.680]  I understand that it is distasteful.
[01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:24.680]  Yeah, and can I make a suggestion here, Randy?
[01:56:24.680 --> 01:56:35.680]  Okay, regarding Eddie's script, quote, unquote, for dealing with police officers when you get pulled over,
[01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:39.680]  Andrew, you may want to call in on Monday to Eddie.
[01:56:39.680 --> 01:56:44.680]  And I think this is something good for Eddie to go over because he does go over it somewhat frequently.
[01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:49.680]  But I think it's good to go over it as much as possible.
[01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:56.680]  Regarding that script, and Eddie has said this many times, and I think it's even in his book,
[01:56:56.680 --> 01:57:06.680]  you don't take that script as a verbatim document to memorize or read off of when you get pulled over.
[01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:11.680]  That is kind of like a suggested set of principles,
[01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:19.680]  but you need to exercise some discernment and modify that script according to the situation.
[01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:25.680]  And, you know, Eddie says he's got three main rules in these situations when you get pulled over.
[01:57:25.680 --> 01:57:30.680]  Shut up, number two, shut up, number three, keep shutting up.
[01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:36.680]  And he says that you don't want to get yourself thrown in jail.
[01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:42.680]  Okay, so there are ways, look, the main point of the script, quote, unquote,
[01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:48.680]  is to establish that you're not in transportation at the time of the traffic stop.
[01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:57.680]  There are ways that you can establish on the record that you are not in transportation at the time of the stop
[01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:00.680]  without getting yourself thrown in jail.
[01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:06.680]  So I think that it's good, you know, to have this discussion again with Eddie so that,
[01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:10.680]  Andrew, the next time this happens in Pennsylvania,
[01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:17.680]  you will know how to modify that script and work the situation so that you can legally protect yourself
[01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:20.680]  without getting thrown in jail next time, okay?
[01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:24.680]  Okay, so I should hire a council in Arizona, not Pennsylvania.
[01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:26.680]  That's what Randy is suggesting.
[01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:31.680]  Either that or just pay the ticket, just pay whatever they want you to pay and just move on with your life
[01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:34.680]  because how are you going to fight a pro se fight in Arizona?
[01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:37.680]  You're going to be flying back and forth or driving back and forth, quote, unquote,
[01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:41.680]  traveling from Pennsylvania to Arizona for quite a long time.
[01:58:41.680 --> 01:58:44.680]  All right, we're out of time speaking of time.
[01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:46.680]  This has been the rule of law.
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