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[00:08.000 --> 00:21.000]  Today in history, news updates and the inside scoop into the tides of the alternative.
[00:21.000 --> 00:27.000]  Markets for the 16th of December, 2015, opened up with gold at $1,073.08 an ounce.
[00:27.000 --> 00:33.000]  Silver at $14.16 an ounce, Texas crude at $37.35 a barrel, and Bitcoin is currently
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[00:42.000 --> 00:48.000]  Today in history, Thursday, December 16, 1773, the Sons of Liberty disguised as Mohawk Indians
[00:48.000 --> 00:53.000]  board three British East India Tea Company ships and dumped roughly 342 chests of tea
[00:53.000 --> 00:55.000]  into the Boston harbor.
[00:55.000 --> 01:05.000]  The Boston Tea Party was the American colonists' response to the British imposed Tea Act of 1773.
[01:05.000 --> 01:09.000]  In recent news, the Department of Homeland Security activated the National Terrorism
[01:09.000 --> 01:13.000]  Advisory System, which replaced the old color-coded terror warnings for the first time since its
[01:13.000 --> 01:15.000]  creation in 2011 today.
[01:15.000 --> 01:20.000]  The agency is warning the public of self-radicalized actors who could strike with little or no
[01:20.000 --> 01:21.000]  notice.
[01:21.000 --> 01:25.000]  A police bulletin issued by DHS Secretary Jay Johnson stated that the system will be
[01:25.000 --> 01:28.000]  enforced for the next six months until events dictate otherwise.
[01:28.000 --> 01:33.000]  Under this new amended advisory system, periodic bulletins will be issued to inform the American
[01:33.000 --> 01:42.000]  public of threats or concerns identified by DHS personnel.
[01:42.000 --> 01:46.000]  David Edward Abbott, a police detective who once made national news when he took out a
[01:46.000 --> 01:50.000]  search warrant, which he never issued, to photograph the genitals of a 17-year-old teen
[01:50.000 --> 01:54.000]  for sexting obscene pictures to his 15-year-old girlfriend, barricaded himself in his home
[01:54.000 --> 01:59.000]  and shot himself yesterday as Prince William's County police officers tried to serve a warrant
[01:59.000 --> 02:04.000]  charging him with indecent liberties and using a communication device to solicit sexual offenses
[02:04.000 --> 02:05.000]  from minors.
[02:05.000 --> 02:09.000]  Evidence shows Abbott soliciting sexual acts by phone, text, social media, and email for
[02:09.000 --> 02:14.000]  more than two years from 13-year-old boy who he met while coaching for a local hockey league.
[02:14.000 --> 02:18.000]  Apparently not the only 13-year-old boy who was solicited with their being disclosed another
[02:18.000 --> 02:20.000]  victim of harassment back in 2009.
[02:20.000 --> 02:25.000]  As irony would have it, David Abbott served on a task force that investigates crimes against
[02:25.000 --> 02:29.000]  children.
[02:29.000 --> 02:33.000]  Kyeon Soo Lim, pastor at the Light Korean Presbyterian Church in Toronto, was sentenced
[02:33.000 --> 02:37.000]  by North Korea's Supreme Court to life in prison with hard labor today for what it is
[02:37.000 --> 02:38.000]  calling crimes against the state.
[02:38.000 --> 02:43.000]  He has been in detention since February, and state prosecutors were seeking the death penalty
[02:43.000 --> 02:47.000]  for such frivolous charges as harming the dignity of the Supreme Leader, attempting to
[02:47.000 --> 02:51.000]  use religion to destroy the North Korean government, disseminating negative propaganda about North
[02:51.000 --> 02:55.000]  Korea to Koreans overseas, and for aiding and abetting U.S. and South Korean authorities,
[02:55.000 --> 03:23.000]  and smuggling North Korean citizens out of the country.
[03:25.000 --> 03:52.000]  OK, howdy, howdy.
[03:52.000 --> 04:04.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Root of Our Radio on this December the 17th, 2015.
[04:04.000 --> 04:11.000]  And we do have a very special guest today that I'm very pleased to see is back in the
[04:11.000 --> 04:12.000]  community.
[04:12.000 --> 04:16.000]  Our very special guest, Mr. Michael Badnerik.
[04:16.000 --> 04:19.000]  That's Michael, Bad Boy Badnerik.
[04:19.000 --> 04:22.000]  Hello, Michael.
[04:22.000 --> 04:29.000]  I cannot hear you.
[04:29.000 --> 04:34.000]  You sound so timid.
[04:34.000 --> 04:41.000]  Michael, we were trying to get this set up before the show started, and Michael has another
[04:41.000 --> 04:42.000]  machine.
[04:42.000 --> 04:45.000]  So Michael, go ahead and set up that other machine.
[04:45.000 --> 04:51.000]  And I will pick up this first segment, and then we'll bring you in on the second, because
[04:51.000 --> 04:57.000]  I can't hear you at all, and I'm sure you're not going out very well on the air.
[04:57.000 --> 05:03.000]  So, Michael is, he's been out of contact for a while.
[05:03.000 --> 05:06.000]  He was, Michael's a good son.
[05:06.000 --> 05:10.000]  He spent the last three or four years taking care of his parents.
[05:10.000 --> 05:16.000]  His parents were aging, and he needed someone to care for him, and he dropped everything
[05:16.000 --> 05:18.000]  and went and took care of his parents.
[05:18.000 --> 05:24.000]  And you know, when you talk about heroes, it's easy to be a hero when it's easy.
[05:24.000 --> 05:29.000]  It's easy to do something that's cool and everybody thinks is great.
[05:29.000 --> 05:36.000]  But when it really gets tough, when somebody asks you to do something that's really hard,
[05:36.000 --> 05:38.000]  that's when you find out what somebody's made of.
[05:38.000 --> 05:44.000]  And I talked to Michael earlier in the week, and I could not have been more pleased.
[05:44.000 --> 05:50.000]  He spent a few years taking care of his parents, and his mother passed away, and his father
[05:50.000 --> 05:55.000]  was at a point to where they have to give him special care.
[05:55.000 --> 06:02.000]  But the good son did his job, and there's so many children that don't take care of their
[06:02.000 --> 06:03.000]  parents.
[06:03.000 --> 06:04.000]  I'm real pleased.
[06:04.000 --> 06:08.000]  But I'm also pleased to see that Michael is back with us.
[06:08.000 --> 06:13.000]  He's going to start doing his Constitution classes.
[06:13.000 --> 06:17.000]  He'll be doing one here in Austin.
[06:17.000 --> 06:18.000]  I don't know the date.
[06:18.000 --> 06:20.000]  When he gets back on, he'll give you the date.
[06:20.000 --> 06:23.000]  He'll be doing them around the country.
[06:23.000 --> 06:29.000]  We haven't talked about Constitution in quite a while, and this should be an interesting
[06:29.000 --> 06:38.000]  show, because first off, I'm going to want Michael to go through some of the basics of
[06:38.000 --> 06:42.000]  his class and the things we need to know about Constitution.
[06:42.000 --> 06:50.000]  And then, once he's kind of been through that, I have some questions concerning Constitution
[06:50.000 --> 06:57.000]  as opposed to the contract.
[06:57.000 --> 07:01.000]  Deborah, are you there?
[07:01.000 --> 07:03.000]  This is something we kind of talked about.
[07:03.000 --> 07:04.000]  Yeah.
[07:04.000 --> 07:05.000]  Come here.
[07:05.000 --> 07:11.000]  We talked about this last week, as a matter of fact, about Constitution and contract.
[07:11.000 --> 07:20.000]  And so, while we're waiting for Michael to get his machine up, can you kind of give us
[07:20.000 --> 07:29.000]  a synopsis on when the Constitution applies and when we get into a situation such that
[07:29.000 --> 07:38.000]  if we're not careful, we're likely to waive those protections based on contractual issues?
[07:38.000 --> 07:46.000]  Well, it's my understanding that pretty much most of our statute is by commercial agreement.
[07:46.000 --> 07:50.000]  And that was what Harmon Taylor showed.
[07:50.000 --> 07:52.000]  He didn't set out to show that.
[07:52.000 --> 07:58.000]  He was actually a staunch constitutionalist, but the ruling in that Graham v. Lappin case
[07:58.000 --> 08:00.000]  ended up showing that.
[08:00.000 --> 08:07.000]  The court basically said, Seventh Circuit said that pursuant to Section 7 of Title 18,
[08:07.000 --> 08:09.000]  we're in maritime law.
[08:09.000 --> 08:10.000]  We can do whatever we want.
[08:10.000 --> 08:12.000]  Everything is by agreement.
[08:12.000 --> 08:18.000]  And I would say that especially applies to regulatory schemes.
[08:18.000 --> 08:26.000]  And so, as far as where the Constitution would apply, it would appear to me that that would
[08:26.000 --> 08:33.000]  likely be mainly just in the case of like criminal due process, but that as far as any
[08:33.000 --> 08:39.000]  kind of regulatory scheme or licensing or any stuff like that, that's all by strictly
[08:39.000 --> 08:40.000]  commercial agreement.
[08:40.000 --> 08:47.000]  That's, you know, maybe a rough understanding of that, but I would say probably sometimes
[08:47.000 --> 08:52.000]  even in criminal issues, the Constitution may not apply depending on the situation.
[08:52.000 --> 08:54.000]  There still may be some commercial agreement involved.
[08:54.000 --> 09:00.000]  Like say, for example, with the IRS, you know, there are some criminal penalties pursuant
[09:00.000 --> 09:09.000]  to the IRS code, but that, of course, that whole taxpayer scheme is by agreement.
[09:09.000 --> 09:13.000]  So I think that that would be one of the cases where it wouldn't apply.
[09:13.000 --> 09:16.000]  But I think due process is a different story.
[09:16.000 --> 09:18.000]  So this was, yeah, there was a question.
[09:18.000 --> 09:27.000]  I was rereading the, through the Constitution today, and it's a contract.
[09:27.000 --> 09:35.000]  It's a contract between the people and our public officials.
[09:35.000 --> 09:42.000]  And this contract restricts our public officials in a lot of things they can do.
[09:42.000 --> 09:46.000]  And this is one of the questions I want to bring to Michael.
[09:46.000 --> 09:57.000]  Under what circumstances can I, by contractual agreement, waive the restrictions on public
[09:57.000 --> 10:03.000]  officials that are contained in the Constitution?
[10:03.000 --> 10:08.000]  That was a question I always had, even with Harmon Taylor.
[10:08.000 --> 10:11.000]  Taylor was talking about how everything is commercial.
[10:11.000 --> 10:17.000]  Well, maybe it is, but we still have this commercial contract.
[10:17.000 --> 10:22.000]  This Constitutional contract is a contract between us and these public officials.
[10:22.000 --> 10:35.000]  And I don't see how we can waive the duty of that public official to abide by this contract first.
[10:35.000 --> 10:50.000]  How can I gain the authority to make my contract take precedence over the Constitutional contract?
[10:50.000 --> 11:04.000]  That was always the thing that bothered me about this contractual position on the Constitution.
[11:04.000 --> 11:09.000]  So even if everything is by contract, we still have this Constitution as an interceding contract.
[11:09.000 --> 11:12.000]  Does that make sense, Debra?
[11:12.000 --> 11:17.000]  Yes, I think so.
[11:17.000 --> 11:18.000]  There was always a problem.
[11:18.000 --> 11:40.000]  I would think that this Constitutional contract would set limits on the contractual agreements I could enter into with my public officials.
[11:40.000 --> 11:42.000]  Well, I think it does.
[11:42.000 --> 11:45.000]  I think that was one of the original intentions.
[11:45.000 --> 11:56.000]  But, you know, according to the School of Harmon Taylor, that only applies in a legitimate money system, law of the land, in other words.
[11:56.000 --> 12:02.000]  And then once you get into the funny money system, you're in maritime law, and none of that applies.
[12:02.000 --> 12:04.000]  And so there's no limit.
[12:04.000 --> 12:15.000]  The Constitution, this is according to my understanding, there's no limit to the contractual arrangement.
[12:15.000 --> 12:19.000]  You know, there's no protection, in other words, when you get into that funny money system.
[12:19.000 --> 12:36.000]  That's why it's so bad to be a taxpayer to get into that kind of agreement with the feds, because there's really no protection, because that's especially at the heart of the funny money system right there.
[12:36.000 --> 12:44.000]  Part of my difficulty in fully understanding this was the issue of the money.
[12:44.000 --> 12:50.000]  I understand how the IRS wants to get paid in United States dollars.
[12:50.000 --> 12:51.000]  Okay.
[12:51.000 --> 12:54.000]  I can handle that part.
[12:54.000 --> 13:00.000]  If that's the only, if they can only be paid in legal tender, okay.
[13:00.000 --> 13:17.000]  But I don't see how the fact that we're using a government script changes all of the basic underlying protections that have been put in place.
[13:17.000 --> 13:22.000]  Because essentially, green dollars are just government script.
[13:22.000 --> 13:30.000]  And there's certain things we have to use government script for, and that's dealing with the government, because that's all they accept.
[13:30.000 --> 13:34.000]  Well, that's one reason to not deal with them.
[13:34.000 --> 13:36.000]  Well, I understand that.
[13:36.000 --> 13:37.000]  If possible.
[13:37.000 --> 13:45.000]  What I don't understand is how using their script circumvents all of my constitutional.
[13:45.000 --> 13:48.000]  Because it puts you in maritime law, Randy.
[13:48.000 --> 13:49.000]  It puts you outside.
[13:49.000 --> 13:51.000]  But there is no maritime law.
[13:51.000 --> 13:52.000]  True.
[13:52.000 --> 13:53.000]  Go read Graham V. Lappin.
[13:53.000 --> 14:02.000]  I mean, look, if this is, we should get Harmon Taylor on to explain this a little bit further, because we're fixing to have Michael back on in a few minutes.
[14:02.000 --> 14:06.000]  But this is a topic that could take as many shows to cover.
[14:06.000 --> 14:08.000]  But there definitely is maritime law.
[14:08.000 --> 14:12.000]  I mean, it's been said.
[14:12.000 --> 14:28.000]  This Graham V. Lappin case was, you know, in the 90s, Randy, and even in the FCC case, you know, seven, eight years ago where I was helping some folks with an FCC case having to do with independent radio.
[14:28.000 --> 14:38.000]  It said right there at the top of the lawsuit that it was being filed under section such and such of Title 47 having to do with maritime law.
[14:38.000 --> 14:40.000]  I mean, this is recent stuff.
[14:40.000 --> 14:44.000]  I mean, you can't say there's no such thing as maritime law anymore.
[14:44.000 --> 14:48.000]  It's used all the time.
[14:48.000 --> 14:54.000]  Maritime law in 1965 was merged with the federal civil code.
[14:54.000 --> 14:57.000]  So now all we have is a federal civil code.
[14:57.000 --> 14:59.000]  We don't have a separate maritime law.
[14:59.000 --> 15:02.000]  So what are they referring to?
[15:02.000 --> 15:07.000]  Because I've read cases where the judges stated exactly that.
[15:07.000 --> 15:11.000]  There is no more maritime. It's all federal civil.
[15:11.000 --> 15:19.000]  So are they talking about the maritime aspect of the law as it exists in the civil code?
[15:19.000 --> 15:28.000]  Or is there some separate maritime code that I need to go find because I can't find it?
[15:28.000 --> 15:30.000]  I'm not sure, Randy.
[15:30.000 --> 15:37.000]  I look through all the federal codes and I don't find one for maritime. I hear these guys talking about it.
[15:37.000 --> 15:40.000]  It's not just these guys. I mean, this is court rulings.
[15:40.000 --> 15:43.000]  Well, where is it? It's like common law.
[15:43.000 --> 15:45.000]  Where is it? I can't find it.
[15:45.000 --> 15:52.000]  Well, if you're saying that it's merged with civil, then, you know, they are likely referring to that, I suppose.
[15:52.000 --> 16:06.000]  I mean, this is not the area that I've gotten into because the whole point is you want to, you know, you want to get rid of these contracts is the point.
[16:06.000 --> 16:09.000]  You want to figure out how to opt out of them.
[16:09.000 --> 16:20.000]  You want to figure out how to back out of the contracts and these sorts of things because it's those contractual agreements that how they nail people to the wall.
[16:20.000 --> 16:35.000]  And so I haven't. And so, like, well, when we approach it from that angle, we don't get all into the ins and outs of, well, what are the rules of procedure of maritime law because we're not getting into the merits.
[16:35.000 --> 16:40.000]  We're getting out of the contracts altogether.
[16:40.000 --> 16:42.000]  It took me a long time to wrap my head around.
[16:42.000 --> 16:52.000]  The idea is to divest yourself of the contracts, not to get into the merits and argue procedure within maritime code.
[16:52.000 --> 16:56.000]  That's not really the point. But we're going to get Michael Badnerick on.
[16:56.000 --> 17:00.000]  We'll be right back.
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[19:51.000 --> 19:58.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Ruval Radio, and we're here with Michael Banerich.
[19:58.000 --> 20:03.000]  Michael, I can hear you this time.
[20:03.000 --> 20:10.000]  Bring us up to speed on what's been up with Mr. Banerich all these years you've been gone.
[20:10.000 --> 20:16.000]  Well, I left Texas about four and a half years ago to come to northwest Indiana.
[20:16.000 --> 20:21.000]  I'm only about 10 miles from downtown Chicago.
[20:21.000 --> 20:26.000]  And I was just here as caregiver for mom and dad.
[20:26.000 --> 20:33.000]  They were, you know, getting on and I just, you know, here to drive mom to the doctor.
[20:33.000 --> 20:37.000]  Well, long story short, mom was getting worse.
[20:37.000 --> 20:42.000]  Hospital, nursing home, finally came home in the hospice.
[20:42.000 --> 20:47.000]  My mom passed away at the end of April.
[20:47.000 --> 20:54.000]  My dad is physically healthy, but dad has really severe dementia.
[20:54.000 --> 20:58.000]  He can't remember what day of the week it is.
[20:58.000 --> 21:02.000]  He just has a difficult time, so he's got to be supervised.
[21:02.000 --> 21:04.000]  Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
[21:04.000 --> 21:07.000]  Most of the time I can't remember what day of the week it is.
[21:07.000 --> 21:22.000]  My, I'm serious. My dad is really, he's physically here, but mentally he's already lost most of the, you know,
[21:22.000 --> 21:25.000]  that's what you remember about a person is their personality.
[21:25.000 --> 21:28.000]  And dad, you know, is still a good guy.
[21:28.000 --> 21:35.000]  And you can talk to him for probably some time before you notice that, you know,
[21:35.000 --> 21:40.000]  he's not really keeping up the conversation.
[21:40.000 --> 21:46.000]  I went to, well, my dad is now living in Michigan with my brother.
[21:46.000 --> 21:50.000]  So I went to Michigan for Thanksgiving.
[21:50.000 --> 21:54.000]  We went out to my brother's friend's house for turkey.
[21:54.000 --> 21:57.000]  We came home and dad went to sleep.
[21:57.000 --> 22:01.000]  Chuck and I were watching television and about an hour and a half later,
[22:01.000 --> 22:06.000]  dad woke up and says, what time is your mother coming home?
[22:06.000 --> 22:10.000]  And I said, dad, when was the last time you saw mom?
[22:10.000 --> 22:12.000]  And he goes, I don't remember.
[22:12.000 --> 22:15.000]  And I said, well, mom's not coming home.
[22:15.000 --> 22:20.000]  And he got somewhat indignant and was like, what the heck is she doing out so late?
[22:20.000 --> 22:23.000]  I said, dad, mom passed away in April.
[22:23.000 --> 22:26.000]  And he was stunned and shocked.
[22:26.000 --> 22:34.000]  So the good news is that because of his loss of memory, he doesn't spend all day pining for her.
[22:34.000 --> 22:41.000]  But on the other hand, when he asks for her and we've got to remind him that she's gone,
[22:41.000 --> 22:44.000]  then it's a bit of a shock to his system.
[22:44.000 --> 22:48.000]  So I'm not sure which way.
[22:48.000 --> 22:52.000]  It seems, I know I watched my grandfather.
[22:52.000 --> 22:57.000]  When the last time I spoke to him, he'd had a stroke and he still had a crystal clear mind,
[22:57.000 --> 23:00.000]  but he's trapped in this old war out body.
[23:00.000 --> 23:07.000]  And I thought it was such an injustice that we spend all this time here
[23:07.000 --> 23:13.000]  and wind up in such a horrible condition.
[23:13.000 --> 23:17.000]  Something just seems terribly wrong with that.
[23:17.000 --> 23:24.000]  I keep wishing that I was, you know, several decades younger, but I guess that's not an option.
[23:24.000 --> 23:32.000]  So anyway, the bottom line is that I did everything that I could to take care of my parents when they needed me.
[23:32.000 --> 23:41.000]  And now that they don't need me, I'm able to put my life back together,
[23:41.000 --> 23:47.000]  which means that I am getting back to Texas as quickly as I possibly can.
[23:47.000 --> 23:51.000]  If I had a horse, I'd look like a pony express rider.
[23:51.000 --> 23:55.000]  I'm going to get myself south of the Red River as quickly as possible,
[23:55.000 --> 24:01.000]  especially with the winter sitting in here in the Chicago area.
[24:01.000 --> 24:09.000]  But in order to live in Texas, I'm going to have to have a place and I need to gather a little bit of money.
[24:09.000 --> 24:15.000]  So I'm going on tour, taking my constitution class all across the country,
[24:15.000 --> 24:19.000]  anywhere that people are willing to sit down and listen to me.
[24:19.000 --> 24:31.000]  And I have 10 classes scheduled in the first 12 weeks of 2016.
[24:31.000 --> 24:39.000]  I'm fairly dedicated and it's going to be good to get back into the Liberty Circle.
[24:39.000 --> 24:46.000]  I very much felt like I fell off the face of the earth while I was here in Indiana
[24:46.000 --> 24:52.000]  and hoping that people remember me and hoping to make a big comeback.
[24:52.000 --> 24:56.000]  Say Michael who?
[24:56.000 --> 24:58.000]  That's what I'm afraid of.
[24:58.000 --> 25:02.000]  Everyone will remember Michael Van Derick.
[25:02.000 --> 25:09.000]  So do you have a constitution class going to happen here in Texas?
[25:09.000 --> 25:10.000]  I have two.
[25:10.000 --> 25:13.000]  The first one is going to be right there in Austin.
[25:13.000 --> 25:15.000]  That'll be January 9th.
[25:15.000 --> 25:17.000]  All my classes are on a Saturday.
[25:17.000 --> 25:20.000]  So January 9th in Austin.
[25:20.000 --> 25:27.000]  And then I fly to the west coast to a class in Ashland, Oregon, southwestern corner of the state.
[25:27.000 --> 25:35.000]  And then I come back to Chicago for a brief period of time just to get my suitcase packed.
[25:35.000 --> 25:41.000]  I've been invited to teach my constitution class on a cruise ship.
[25:41.000 --> 25:48.000]  Now I'm not sure exactly if they know what my class entails.
[25:48.000 --> 25:50.000]  That must be tough.
[25:50.000 --> 26:02.000]  I again, you know, like winning the lottery because it's an eight hour class and they want me to teach an hour and a half for six consecutive days.
[26:02.000 --> 26:04.000]  Okay, that's great.
[26:04.000 --> 26:08.000]  So I get up and talk for 90 minutes and then I can sit in the jacuzzi.
[26:08.000 --> 26:11.000]  It's like beat me with a stick.
[26:11.000 --> 26:14.000]  That sounds like just the job I need.
[26:14.000 --> 26:27.000]  So if I can find a way to make that a regular thing, I just live on the cruise ship and, you know, teach people that are, you know, coming on board.
[26:27.000 --> 26:32.000]  Can you kind of give us an overview of your constitutional class?
[26:32.000 --> 26:33.000]  Yes.
[26:33.000 --> 26:35.000]  And we've got a lot of people listening in Austin.
[26:35.000 --> 26:44.000]  Do you have a place in time where you're going to be in Austin so we can maybe get some...
[26:44.000 --> 26:48.000]  It's going to be at Cafe Express on North Lamar.
[26:48.000 --> 26:54.000]  The class is always from 9 a.m. until 6 p.m.
[26:54.000 --> 26:56.000]  That sounds like a lot of time.
[26:56.000 --> 26:58.000]  We take an hour for lunch.
[26:58.000 --> 27:09.000]  The information goes by so quickly that people are usually surprised when I tell them that, you know, it's 6 o'clock at night, class is over.
[27:09.000 --> 27:16.000]  What normally happens is that I go out to a restaurant and get something to eat.
[27:16.000 --> 27:22.000]  And, you know, 50 to 75 percent of my students follow me so they can ask questions.
[27:22.000 --> 27:29.000]  The one thing I can guarantee is that you're not going to be bored in class.
[27:29.000 --> 27:33.000]  Can you kind of give us a synopsis?
[27:33.000 --> 27:36.000]  Sure.
[27:36.000 --> 27:47.000]  What I do, first of all, is catch your attention by convincing you that you don't know as much about our country and the government as you thought you did.
[27:47.000 --> 27:53.000]  And then we go into the philosophy of why we have any government at all.
[27:53.000 --> 27:59.000]  I mean, a lot of people complain about government. Why don't we just get rid of it, just have anarchy?
[27:59.000 --> 28:03.000]  Well, that puts people in a knot. They don't want to have anarchy.
[28:03.000 --> 28:08.000]  So then the next logical question is what kind of government do you want?
[28:08.000 --> 28:10.000]  What kind of government is best?
[28:10.000 --> 28:19.000]  And as we analyze the basics, we discover that socialism and communism do not recognize private property.
[28:19.000 --> 28:22.000]  Everything is owned by the state or the government.
[28:22.000 --> 28:26.000]  And they just loan it to you if they think you need it.
[28:26.000 --> 28:32.000]  The United States is based on the fundamental principle of private property.
[28:32.000 --> 28:44.000]  And everybody who takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution is not trying to protect a 239-year-old piece of parchment.
[28:44.000 --> 28:52.000]  You know, they're trying to defend your – they're swearing an oath to protect and defend your life, your liberty, and your private property.
[28:52.000 --> 28:59.000]  So we spend quite a bit of time at the beginning of class understanding the fundamentals.
[28:59.000 --> 29:05.000]  Why would you waste the time and energy to write a Constitution in the first place?
[29:05.000 --> 29:09.000]  Well, once you understand that, now you can read the Constitution.
[29:09.000 --> 29:16.000]  And it's no longer ambiguous because it has a definite, specific purpose.
[29:16.000 --> 29:21.000]  And the rest of the class, we read the articles and sections.
[29:21.000 --> 29:31.000]  And students are surprised to discover that most, most of what our government does is unconstitutional.
[29:31.000 --> 29:36.000]  And I find that unconscionable, totally unacceptable.
[29:36.000 --> 29:44.000]  And, you know, for the last 20 years, I've been teaching my class, trying to wake up my fellow Americans
[29:44.000 --> 29:53.000]  so they would understand just how dangerous, you know, our government is to our well-being.
[29:53.000 --> 29:56.000]  And I think people are starting to wake up.
[29:56.000 --> 30:00.000]  Hang on, Michael. We've got to go to break. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, you were already –
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[33:24.000 --> 33:51.000]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio on this 17th day of December 2015,
[33:51.000 --> 33:56.000]  and we're talking to our very special guest, Mr. Michael Bennerich.
[33:56.000 --> 34:05.000]  And there was a question that I had, and during the intro, I completely forgot what it was.
[34:05.000 --> 34:14.000]  Now, I'm not getting dementia. Don't even start that.
[34:14.000 --> 34:23.000]  I thought I remembered it. I wanted to ask about how, oh, got it, got it, got it, got it.
[34:23.000 --> 34:27.000]  I've had these judges say, don't bring the Constitution into my court.
[34:27.000 --> 34:33.000]  And we have all these people go in there and say, I've got all these constitutional rights.
[34:33.000 --> 34:38.000]  Will you explain why we don't have constitutional rights?
[34:38.000 --> 34:47.000]  Because the jurisdiction that the judges are talking about is a statute of jurisdictions created by the legislature,
[34:47.000 --> 34:52.000]  and it is extra constitutional.
[34:52.000 --> 34:57.000]  That's exactly what I was saying on the show last week, Randy, and on the break.
[34:57.000 --> 35:03.000]  I mean, and on the first segment. That's right, Michael. Go ahead, please.
[35:03.000 --> 35:13.000]  If Randy and I go to Paris, and for various reasons, we get dragged into a, you know, French courtroom.
[35:13.000 --> 35:18.000]  I mean, Randy and I can both talk about the Constitution. We can talk about statutory law,
[35:18.000 --> 35:28.000]  but it has no bearing in a French court. It's extra French law, you know, doesn't apply there.
[35:28.000 --> 35:37.000]  And literally, the statutory jurisdiction here in the United States is foreign to the constitutional law
[35:37.000 --> 35:42.000]  that everybody assumes that they have when they walk in.
[35:42.000 --> 35:52.000]  And if we study, and we do go into this in some detail in my class, the, we have a separation of powers.
[35:52.000 --> 35:59.000]  Articles 1, 2, and 3 create the legislative, executive, and judicial branches respectively.
[35:59.000 --> 36:10.000]  The judicial branch, Article 3, says that the Supreme Court has jurisdiction in common law, equity law, and admiralty law.
[36:10.000 --> 36:20.000]  Those are three different jurisdictions, and that's not what you're in when you go into a statutory jurisdiction.
[36:20.000 --> 36:29.000]  It's the equivalent of going into a French courtroom and trying to bring your precious Constitution with you.
[36:29.000 --> 36:35.000]  It's no surprise to them that they are not going to allow it, but it is a surprise to you
[36:35.000 --> 36:45.000]  because nearly everything the government does is based on fraud.
[36:45.000 --> 36:46.000]  Randy, are you there?
[36:46.000 --> 36:51.000]  Okay, yeah, I was hanging on that one.
[36:51.000 --> 37:05.000]  That, where I was really going is a lot of people have the misconception that the Constitution actually applies to them.
[37:05.000 --> 37:10.000]  Well, that doesn't, that's not true. It's never true even if you're in common law court.
[37:10.000 --> 37:17.000]  The Constitution applies to government agents. It puts limitations on government power.
[37:17.000 --> 37:21.000]  It tells the government what it can and cannot do.
[37:21.000 --> 37:29.000]  So, unless you are a member of Congress, unless you live in the White House, or unless you have black robes
[37:29.000 --> 37:35.000]  and you sit in the Supreme Court or in the judicial system, it doesn't apply to you.
[37:35.000 --> 37:40.000]  You know, it only applies to our public servants.
[37:40.000 --> 37:48.000]  And, you know, they work for us, not the other way around, but Americans have been so brainwashed,
[37:48.000 --> 37:55.000]  you know, we assume in general that we have to get permission from the government to do anything,
[37:55.000 --> 38:00.000]  which is absolutely ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.
[38:00.000 --> 38:10.000]  You know, none of your listeners, none of them are required to have a church permit in order to exercise their religion.
[38:10.000 --> 38:14.000]  You know, nobody has filled out a government form that, you know,
[38:14.000 --> 38:21.000]  to specify where you're going to go and how you're going to believe because, oh, you can't control it.
[38:21.000 --> 38:30.000]  In my class, you know, I demonstrate that by telling my students they're not allowed to think of a black cat.
[38:30.000 --> 38:35.000]  And everybody laughs, of course, because there's no way that I could enforce that rule.
[38:35.000 --> 38:38.000]  I have no way to know what people are thinking.
[38:38.000 --> 38:42.000]  Well, it's no different if I say, you're not allowed to think about God.
[38:42.000 --> 38:45.000]  Like, really, how would I enforce it? How would I know?
[38:45.000 --> 38:53.000]  So, you know, whatever you believe is a right and the government has no authority to require a permit
[38:53.000 --> 39:00.000]  or a license for the exercise of a right, it's just, you know, counterintuitive.
[39:00.000 --> 39:11.000]  So, nobody has a church permit, but almost everybody assumes that I'm required to have a concealed carry permit.
[39:11.000 --> 39:15.000]  Well, the Second Amendment is no different from the First Amendment.
[39:15.000 --> 39:22.000]  You know, they were all ratified the same time and same year, and, you know, it works the same way.
[39:22.000 --> 39:27.000]  The right to keep and bear arms is a right, not a privilege granted by the government.
[39:27.000 --> 39:36.000]  So, you know, if other people don't need a church permit, then I sure as hell don't need a concealed carry permit.
[39:36.000 --> 39:41.000]  Right, and the Constitution doesn't grant us any rights.
[39:41.000 --> 39:51.000]  It merely specifies which rights our public officials better not trample on specifically.
[39:51.000 --> 39:57.000]  Right. You know, Isaac Newton didn't invent gravity.
[39:57.000 --> 40:05.000]  He just sat under an apple tree and when he got hit in the head, you know, he sat down and went, oh my gosh, you know, everything falls.
[40:05.000 --> 40:16.000]  Well, stop. Realize that before Isaac Newton got hit in the head, gravity was not obvious.
[40:16.000 --> 40:21.000]  I mean, it was still there, but it wasn't obvious.
[40:21.000 --> 40:30.000]  Nobody had sat down and, you know, pondered, you know, why everything, you know, drops to the ground.
[40:30.000 --> 40:35.000]  So, you know, in the same way, we had a right to life.
[40:35.000 --> 40:42.000]  We had freedom of speech and all of our other freedoms before the Declaration of Independence,
[40:42.000 --> 40:49.000]  before the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, all of those rights preexisted.
[40:49.000 --> 40:59.000]  And the only thing the founding fathers did was kind of discover the principle and say, hey, you know, it's not okay to kill people.
[40:59.000 --> 41:01.000]  You know, you have a right to life.
[41:01.000 --> 41:08.000]  And they wrote some documents to, you know, describe what they had discovered, but they didn't invent it.
[41:08.000 --> 41:12.000]  And they certainly didn't give us our rights.
[41:12.000 --> 41:18.000]  So that's one of the fundamental things that I stress in my class.
[41:18.000 --> 41:24.000]  You know, it's difficult for people to break out of that.
[41:24.000 --> 41:29.000]  You know, they've had many, many years of brainwashing.
[41:29.000 --> 41:41.000]  And it's hard to break these old habits and to start thinking properly so that you can understand and exercise your rights the way they're intended.
[41:41.000 --> 41:57.000]  And this is something that in doing this show, I struggle with a lot, is to get people to understand that you as a citizen in this Democratic Republic,
[41:57.000 --> 42:18.000]  you can do anything you want to unless you, along with your fellow Democratic Republic citizens, have gotten together and decided that we will restrict ourselves in these certain ways.
[42:18.000 --> 42:27.000]  If we haven't restricted ourselves in certain ways by specific statute, you can do anything you want to.
[42:27.000 --> 42:48.000]  And it is a hard concept to wrap your head around because I go into court and automatically we're programmed to feel like the judge is court.
[42:48.000 --> 42:58.000]  And it's hard for us to really wrap our head around, you know, we can beat our lips together and say, oh, no, it's not your court, it's my court.
[42:58.000 --> 43:05.000]  But when the judge raises his voice, we act like it's his court and we cower before him.
[43:05.000 --> 43:23.000]  And the one thing I struggle on this show to do is help people get over that mindset to where they kowtow to their own public servants.
[43:23.000 --> 43:35.000]  And this is one of the good things about your course is you help to get people to understand that they are the servants, we are the masters.
[43:35.000 --> 44:02.000]  They're not to forget it. It's good to be king. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rue La Radio, I call that number 512-646-1984. If you have any calls for Robert to back the Constitution, give us a call. We'll be right back.
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[46:13.000 --> 46:26.000]  If you did not have any problem, where are you going to look for one? If you could not wait any battle too long, would your purple test be done?
[46:26.000 --> 46:44.000]  Would you stand in on a soldier or warrior of love scuffling the keys to the peace? All they're taking is a misunderstanding. If somebody comes in or leaves, watch the spot.
[46:44.000 --> 46:59.000]  When Michael gets to Texas, he's going to dot my eye for that. But I was having so much fun on the outro, I lost track of where I was at. When you get back together, I am going to slap you in the back of the head.
[46:59.000 --> 47:16.000]  You only do that because I earned it. I went to St. Charles and I was sitting there at the Continental Congress 2009 and suddenly some guy came and smacked me in the back of the head.
[47:16.000 --> 47:30.000]  I turned around and I'm trying to decide if I'm going to get into a street fight or not. He goes, that's from Randy Kelton. Oh, who did that?
[47:30.000 --> 47:47.000]  I bet he's David Chide. Oh, okay. The guy from Michigan. Yeah, I did tell him to give you a wrap-up side to add. And he did. Our first few moments of eye contact were a little bit tense.
[47:47.000 --> 48:01.000]  David Chide is not one I'd want to take on. He teaches karate. Yeah, I discovered that. Fortunately, I held myself back. David and I are good friends now.
[48:01.000 --> 48:26.000]  I think when we were going out, we were talking about how the Constitution is a contract that protects certain of our rights, but it doesn't grant us any we don't already have. We need to understand that there are certain rights we already have and nobody gets to take them.
[48:26.000 --> 48:35.000]  It's taken me a long time in doing the show and taking on public officials. I'm really beginning to get it.
[48:35.000 --> 48:49.000]  And I find that when you get it and you go into the court and you deal with these public officials, they very quickly understand that you get it.
[48:49.000 --> 49:07.000]  They realize when you are the master and they're the servants and you treat them like they're the servants. It is very effective. We can get more people to understand this. Taking these guys on and be a whole lot more fun.
[49:07.000 --> 49:17.000]  Georgetown, north of Austin, was for a long time known as the most corrupt county in Texas.
[49:17.000 --> 49:20.000]  Georgetown is a city.
[49:20.000 --> 49:25.000]  It's Williamson County.
[49:25.000 --> 49:37.000]  How can anyone forget the most infamous county in the nation? Most people say, you know, my county is the most corrupt county.
[49:37.000 --> 49:48.000]  Well, that's everywhere else. Around these parts here, people don't say my county is the most corrupt county. They say Williamson County is the most corrupt county.
[49:48.000 --> 49:58.000]  There are people who travel around Williamson County. They will go hundreds of miles out of their way to make sure they don't pass through the county.
[49:58.000 --> 50:05.000]  They'll take an extra two hours to get from Austin to Dallas just to not have to go through Williamson County on I-35. It is that bad.
[50:05.000 --> 50:10.000]  It's better now.
[50:10.000 --> 50:13.000]  What are you saying is better? I don't know about that.
[50:13.000 --> 50:22.000]  Well, they don't have that same prosecutor anymore. But I went to Williamson County with Doug Bell.
[50:22.000 --> 50:35.000]  Doug Bell had gotten two Class A misdemeanors and a Class B misdemeanors, I think. He had two prescription pills in an aspen bottle.
[50:35.000 --> 50:41.000]  So they arrested him. He brought in the prescriptions for each one of them that's still prosecuting.
[50:41.000 --> 50:46.000]  So I went down there with him and told him, you know, I'm not here. You don't know me.
[50:46.000 --> 50:56.000]  And I went to look at his records and the clerk brought the records out and I looked at them and I was looking for a criminal complaint, which wasn't there, which I knew wouldn't be there.
[50:56.000 --> 51:04.000]  And I raised an issue about that. And then I took an information request to the county attorney and asked for all documents collected,
[51:04.000 --> 51:10.000]  simply maintained by the department that are specifically referenced by Article 17.3 of Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.
[51:10.000 --> 51:17.000]  And a prosecutor come out and said, I read your request and I'm not sure what you're asking for.
[51:17.000 --> 51:24.000]  So if you don't know what I'm asking for, go talk to the legislature. They wrote the code. I didn't. And I walked out.
[51:24.000 --> 51:33.000]  So we went into the courtroom and sat down in the courtroom and I asked for a appearance document.
[51:33.000 --> 51:37.000]  And they did some dancing around, finally told me where they could get it.
[51:37.000 --> 51:43.000]  So I'm sitting here and they're having one of these cattle call here, not talking to anybody, just sitting here taking notes.
[51:43.000 --> 51:48.000]  And I'm in a suit and tie. So they're wondering who this guy is.
[51:48.000 --> 51:56.000]  And then this young kid comes over, assistant prosecutor, black suit, black shirt, bright red tie. I guess he thought he looked cool.
[51:56.000 --> 52:03.000]  He said, sir, sir. And I looked up at him. Yes. Do you have a case here today? Oh, no, no, no, nothing like that.
[52:03.000 --> 52:11.000]  I go back to writing, ignore him. He stands there a minute and says, sir, sir. And I look up and he says, do you have a civil case in this court?
[52:11.000 --> 52:20.000]  No, no, nothing like that. I go back to writing. He stands there a minute, sir, sir. And I look up, hold up both hands with my palms out.
[52:20.000 --> 52:27.000]  No more questions. I turn back and go back to writing. Well, he looked like I'd slapped him.
[52:27.000 --> 52:32.000]  So I just went back to writing and he kind of milled around a second and then he went away.
[52:32.000 --> 52:39.000]  A little later, an older guy come in, leaned over the bar and he said, sir, sir. And I looked up and said, yes.
[52:39.000 --> 52:44.000]  You know, we can get you can get a appearance docket down at the clerk out front. Yeah, I know.
[52:44.000 --> 52:51.000]  They've told me that. Thank you. I go back to writing. He said, sir, sir, is there something I can help you with?
[52:51.000 --> 52:57.000]  I looked up at him and said, if I need you, I will summon you. You're dismissed.
[52:57.000 --> 53:07.000]  I went back to writing later. While that was going on, prosecutor went to Doug Bell and said, are you here with somebody?
[53:07.000 --> 53:14.000]  He said, no. Why was some guy here looking to your records? They dismissed his case.
[53:14.000 --> 53:18.000]  And he asked him, anything else you want? Well, I'd like to get that in writing.
[53:18.000 --> 53:25.000]  They take him to the judge and the judge signs the order. Anything else? I like to get my bail money back.
[53:25.000 --> 53:31.000]  They took him down to the clerk and he filled out the paperwork. He got his bail money the next day.
[53:31.000 --> 53:35.000]  He came to the Brave New Books who were doing a little presentation there.
[53:35.000 --> 53:42.000]  And he said, you ever walked in the room and turned on the light and watched the cockroaches scatter?
[53:42.000 --> 53:51.000]  That's what it was like when you go into that court and you act like the master of the servants.
[53:51.000 --> 53:56.000]  The more corrupt they are, the more frightened they get.
[53:56.000 --> 54:02.000]  They all run home and they creep the door open to their deepest, darkest closet.
[54:02.000 --> 54:07.000]  And they're certain you know the skeletons that's in there.
[54:07.000 --> 54:15.000]  So once you understand this part, once we understand that we are kings,
[54:15.000 --> 54:22.000]  I was making a specific reference to Michael's book, Good to be King.
[54:22.000 --> 54:26.000]  Once we understand it, everything changes.
[54:26.000 --> 54:32.000]  Will you plug your book? Well, Michael, I still want to call you Robert for some reason.
[54:32.000 --> 54:35.000]  Well, you haven't seen me in a while. It's all right.
[54:35.000 --> 54:45.000]  Yeah, my book is called Good to be King and it goes through the basics about why we have government
[54:45.000 --> 54:53.000]  and what the various articles say, gives a description of each of the Bill of Rights.
[54:53.000 --> 54:58.000]  And that's the book that we use for my class.
[54:58.000 --> 55:04.000]  Normally I charge $100 for my class, but I'm eager to get back to Texas.
[55:04.000 --> 55:06.000]  I'm trying to prime the pump.
[55:06.000 --> 55:11.000]  And so for a limited time, my class is only $100.
[55:11.000 --> 55:13.000]  That's a 33% discount.
[55:13.000 --> 55:27.000]  And it's going to be January 9th in Austin and February 13th up in Richardson, Texas, just north of Dallas.
[55:27.000 --> 55:29.000]  Oh, good, good. You're going to have one up here.
[55:29.000 --> 55:37.000]  I'll see if I can come by. Is heckling allowed?
[55:37.000 --> 55:41.000]  At your own risk.
[55:41.000 --> 55:45.000]  You may have forgotten that I'm a strong Second Amendment supporter.
[55:45.000 --> 55:49.000]  Yeah, I was going to say you dig on the Second Amendment.
[55:49.000 --> 55:52.000]  We do have caller on the line.
[55:52.000 --> 55:56.000]  I think the call screener just chatted me that is about a traffic ticket.
[55:56.000 --> 56:01.000]  And so we were going to just ask him to wait until we finish up with the topic at hand.
[56:01.000 --> 56:04.000]  Okay, good.
[56:04.000 --> 56:14.000]  Primarily, I've kind of finished with the part about the Constitution doesn't grant you any rights.
[56:14.000 --> 56:22.000]  It merely specifies certain rights that governments tend to trample.
[56:22.000 --> 56:30.000]  And the Constitution specifically orders them not to trample on these particular rights.
[56:30.000 --> 56:40.000]  However, all of those other rights that aren't specified in the Constitution, what is it?
[56:40.000 --> 56:44.000]  Article 9?
[56:44.000 --> 56:49.000]  The Ninth Amendment basically says that this is not a complete list of your rights.
[56:49.000 --> 56:54.000]  There are other rights that you have that the government cannot infringe upon.
[56:54.000 --> 57:00.000]  I don't agree with very much that Alexander Hamilton said.
[57:00.000 --> 57:06.000]  He and I probably would have gotten into a few fistfights if I had been as contemporary.
[57:06.000 --> 57:16.000]  However, Alexander Hamilton did warn us that we should not include a Bill of Rights.
[57:16.000 --> 57:22.000]  And his argument was that if you try to create a Bill of Rights,
[57:22.000 --> 57:28.000]  it will be impossible to list every right that people have.
[57:28.000 --> 57:35.000]  So the resulting document, whatever that is, is going to be a partial list of rights.
[57:35.000 --> 57:39.000]  And he said that's dangerous because if you create a partial list,
[57:39.000 --> 57:44.000]  eventually people are going to treat it as if it is a comprehensive list
[57:44.000 --> 57:49.000]  and that anything not written there is not a right.
[57:49.000 --> 57:53.000]  And unfortunately, Alexander Hamilton was correct.
[57:53.000 --> 57:55.000]  That's the way they treat us.
[57:55.000 --> 58:07.000]  In fact, the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is a federal agency that spends, I'm told, $900 million.
[58:07.000 --> 58:16.000]  That's just a hair shy of a full billion dollars a year trying to put gun owners and gun dealers out of business.
[58:16.000 --> 58:18.000]  Okay, hang on, hang on. We're about to go to break.
[58:18.000 --> 58:25.000]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Wheel of War Radio, here with our special guest, Michael Badneric.
[58:25.000 --> 58:32.000]  If you have a question or a comment for Michael, give us a call, 512-646-1984.
[58:32.000 --> 58:36.000]  We'll probably do another segment or two on this and then start taking your calls.
[58:36.000 --> 58:50.000]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:21.000]  Today in history, news updates and the inside scoop into the tides of the alternative.
[01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:27.000]  The markets for the 16th of December, 2015, opened up with gold at $1,073.08 an ounce,
[01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:32.000]  silver at $14.16 an ounce, Texas crude at $37.35 a barrel,
[01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:42.000]  and Bitcoin is currently sitting at about 453 U.S. currency.
[01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:48.000]  Today in history, Thursday, December 16, 1773, the Sons of Liberty, disguised as Mohawk Indians,
[01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.000]  board three British East India Tea Company ships
[01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:55.000]  and dumped roughly 342 chests of tea into the Boston Harbor.
[01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:05.000]  The Boston Tea Party was the American colonists' response to the British Imposed Tea Act of 1773.
[01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:10.000]  In recent news, the Department of Homeland Security activated the National Terrorism Advisory System,
[01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.000]  which replaced the old color-coded terror warnings for the first time since its creation in 2011 today.
[01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:20.000]  The agency is warning the public of self-radicalized actors who could strike with little or no notice.
[01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:26.000]  A bulletin issued by DHS Secretary Jay Johnson stated that the system will be in force for the next six months
[01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.000]  or until events dictate otherwise.
[01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:33.000]  Under this new amended advisory system, periodic bulletins will be issued to inform the American public
[01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:42.000]  of threats or concerns identified by DHS personnel.
[01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:47.000]  David Edward Abbott, a police detective who once made national news when he took out a search warrant,
[01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.000]  which he never issued, to photograph the genitals of a 17-year-old teen for sexting obscene pictures
[01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:56.000]  to his 15-year-old girlfriend, barricaded himself in his home and shot himself yesterday
[01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.000]  as Prince William's County police officers tried to serve a warrant
[01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:05.000]  charging him with indecent liberties and using a communication device to solicit sexual offenses from minors.
[01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:09.000]  Evidence shows Abbott soliciting sexual acts by phone, text, social media and email
[01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:14.000]  for more than two years from 13-year-old boy who he met while coaching for a local hockey league.
[01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:18.000]  Apparently, not the only 13-year-old boy who was solicited with their being disclosed
[01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.000]  another victim of harassment back in 2009.
[01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:29.000]  As irony would have it, David Abbott served on a task force that investigates crimes against children.
[01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:33.000]  Pyeon Soo Lim, pastor at the Light Korean Presbyterian Church in Toronto,
[01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:37.000]  was sentenced by North Korea's Supreme Court to life in prison with hard labor today
[01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.000]  but is calling crimes against the state.
[01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.000]  He's been in detention since February and state prosecutors were seeking the death penalty
[01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.000]  for such frivolous charges as harming the dignity of the Supreme Leader,
[01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.000]  attempting to use religion to destroy the North Korean government,
[01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:52.000]  disseminating negative propaganda about North Korea to Koreans overseas
[01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.000]  and for aiding and abetting U.S. and South Korean authorities
[01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:08.000]  in smuggling North Korean citizens out of the country.
[01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:54.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.000]  Randy Kelton Derp, number Stevens, Ruelo Larrillo,
[01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.000]  here with our special guest, Michael Benneric.
[01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.000]  And we do have a caller who had a question for Michael.
[01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.000]  Pat, you still hanging from that tower?
[01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:13.000]  Oh, I'm out here having fun. It's a little chilly.
[01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:20.000]  This is Pat from South Texas and he sometimes has a little cell phone issue
[01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.000]  so he has to climb up his water tower to get a signal, so we've got to appreciate a guy
[01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:29.000]  that goes to that link. You had a question for Michael.
[01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:34.000]  Yeah, hey, Mike, are you going to be in Austin a couple of days early
[01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.000]  or are you coming in strictly the day before and leaving?
[01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.000]  No, I'll be there early.
[01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.000]  Okay. You've got my email and everything.
[01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:49.000]  I'm on your list for both things and I'm on your subscription list for that second class
[01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:52.000]  that you're planning on doing one of these years.
[01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:57.000]  But I need to sit down and pick your brain about some stuff
[01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:05.000]  and it has a lot to do with understanding some things, especially statutory.
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:15.000]  I've got a court date coming up on the pretrial hearing
[01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:20.000]  and we're trying to protect myself a little bit, but I'll explain that later.
[01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.000]  Okay.
[01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:27.000]  But sends her greetings and everything and as a toss-up,
[01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:32.000]  which one of us is going to take your class again in January and which one in February?
[01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:41.000]  Because I've got a little toe-to-toe with these fine folks on the 27th of January,
[01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.000]  I'll probably be there, but it depends.
[01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  So are you going to spend all weekend in Austin or?
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:57.000]  I'm flying to, my goal is to spend New Year's Eve in Texas.
[01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:03.000]  I want to see the sunrise in 2016 from the Lone Star State.
[01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:09.000]  So I'm going to fly down to Dallas area, spend the weekend with my friends
[01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:17.000]  and then head down to Austin probably on the 2nd or 3rd.
[01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:18.000]  All right.
[01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.000]  And your class is on the 9th, right?
[01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.000]  It is on the 9th, on Saturday the 9th.
[01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.000]  Saturday.
[01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.000]  All right.
[01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  And are you going to spend any time after that in Austin?
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:40.000]  I have to fly to Oregon to learn some more stuff about statutory law
[01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:44.000]  and teach a class in Southern Oregon.
[01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  So I'll probably not spend, I can spend time in Texas if I have to,
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.000]  but it'd be better before the class.
[01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  Yeah.
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  Okay.
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:03.000]  Well, Matt has got some things going on in San Antonio right before then,
[01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.000]  but the 9th, the 8th, the 9th is not bad.
[01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:10.000]  I may be able to drive down to San Antonio and see you.
[01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:15.000]  Well, either that or I'll meet you at Steve Skidmore's.
[01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:19.000]  You haven't seen Steve in probably Coon's age either.
[01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  Yeah.
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:23.000]  Steve's in San Antonio now.
[01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:27.000]  About the statutory stuff, you know, I know Randy and Deborah are getting in
[01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.000]  on the statutory side of it very heavy,
[01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  and everybody needs to understand this about statutory,
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:38.000]  and that's why I've got some more questions about it.
[01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:41.000]  Right now these guys are running scared,
[01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.000]  but you and I have talked in the past about some of the things that happened
[01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.000]  to us out here.
[01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:51.000]  Actually, Randy keeps saying, South Texas, we're in West Texas.
[01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.000]  We're only 16 miles from the border,
[01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.000]  but dealing with federal jurisdiction and a bunch of other things.
[01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:04.000]  But now we're getting in on some state jurisdictional issues in licenses,
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.000]  and I do not consent, but that's just me.
[01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.000]  I can help you with I do not consent.
[01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.000]  That's like one of my first phrases to every government agent.
[01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.000]  Yeah.
[01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:20.000]  You got a copy of my second book, right?
[01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:30.000]  Did you read my letter to the infamous IRS published in that chapter?
[01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:34.000]  There are people who read, after I mailed my letter,
[01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:41.000]  there are people who read my letter to the IRS, and they turned white.
[01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:43.000]  It's like, it doesn't apply to you.
[01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  Your name's not on it.
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:48.000]  They're not going to put you in jail for reading my letter.
[01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.000]  Of course not.
[01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.000]  You're just reading a piece of information to them.
[01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  Yeah.
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.000]  They panic.
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.000]  They go, you didn't really send that.
[01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.000]  They go, oh, well, yeah.
[01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.000]  I guess I did.
[01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.000]  I mean, either you believe this stuff or you don't.
[01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:07.000]  That's what Randy and I were talking about.
[01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.000]  You got to be brave.
[01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:16.000]  And just because these people act with impunity,
[01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.000]  that doesn't mean that they have that authority.
[01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:23.000]  It's like the local motorcycle gang.
[01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:29.000]  They may come roaring into town in their hogs and intimidate people,
[01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:34.000]  but that doesn't mean that they have any legitimate authority.
[01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.000]  So when the judge walks in in his black bathrobe,
[01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.000]  as Randy says, it's pretty intimidating.
[01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.000]  And I admit, I've been there.
[01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.000]  I talk really brave when I'm not in the courtroom.
[01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.000]  My voice cracks a little bit,
[01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:55.000]  and my knees knock together when I'm standing in a circuit in court.
[01:09:55.000 --> 01:10:00.000]  But I mean, that doesn't make the information any less true.
[01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:05.000]  Well, it's like the Texas Administrative Code.
[01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:10.000]  You know, this is all for the administrative agencies, you know, executive agencies.
[01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:15.000]  But one of them I really get a kick out of, and everybody's been poo-pooing this,
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:20.000]  is Title 37 deals specifically with DPS.
[01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:29.000]  DPS has five things that they in their area of authority can do.
[01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:33.000]  The first two of them deals with the highway patrol.
[01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:42.000]  And the first one is they can supervise traffic on the rural highways.
[01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  And the Operating Board here is supervised.
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:51.000]  Now, the number two thing in their little thing is supervise
[01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:59.000]  and regulate commercial truck and for hire bus traffic.
[01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:06.000]  Now, wouldn't you think that if they could regulate normal traffic,
[01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:10.000]  i.e. give speeding tickets and all this kind of stuff to everybody that's out here,
[01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.000]  that they would put that in there?
[01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:19.000]  Well, yeah, and again, most of what the government does is fraud.
[01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:22.000]  They tell you stuff that isn't true.
[01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:27.000]  They make you, they deliberately mislead you into thinking that they have authority,
[01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:35.000]  that they don't, and because most Americans don't understand the principles.
[01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.000]  You don't have to memorize the Constitution.
[01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:40.000]  You just have to understand the principles involved.
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:44.000]  And, you know, once you understand the principles,
[01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.000]  then they can't pull the wool over your eyes.
[01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:49.000]  You know, when I give presentations, I'll say,
[01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:52.000]  raise your hand if you're a good patriotic American.
[01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  Well, everybody raises their hand.
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:58.000]  Nobody in the auditorium is a good patriotic American.
[01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:03.000]  Like, okay, raise your hand if you can tell me how many articles are in the Constitution.
[01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.000]  Nobody.
[01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:08.000]  I mean, it gets really quiet.
[01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:12.000]  Like, so what's your standard for good patriotic American?
[01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:16.000]  You can dress yourself without mother's help.
[01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:18.000]  That makes you a good patriotic American.
[01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:23.000]  You don't think that, oh, I don't know, we should raise the bar a little bit?
[01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:29.000]  Hypothetically, hypothetically, if the government was doing something unconstitutional,
[01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.000]  how would you know?
[01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.000]  If you never read the Constitution, you don't understand those principles,
[01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:41.000]  and most importantly, you're not willing to fight and defend those principles,
[01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.000]  then George Bush was correct.
[01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:47.000]  The Constitution is just a piece of paper.
[01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  Well, he called it more than just a piece of paper.
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.000]  Well, I'm on the radio.
[01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.000]  I've got to be careful I don't start talking about Franklin Delano Roosevelt
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:02.000]  because then my language gets really blue.
[01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:09.000]  I've already promised to filter a six-pack of beer onto his grave.
[01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:11.000]  I'll help you.
[01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:21.000]  Geez. Yeah, my eyes start to cross and I just, flames shoot out of my mouth.
[01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  Okay, do you have a particular question for Michael?
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:28.000]  Yeah, we can get together and we can.
[01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:34.000]  If he could send me an email on how I can contact him other than, you know,
[01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.000]  early on wherever he's going to be at in Austin.
[01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.000]  I'll give you a call.
[01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:45.000]  Okay, now my phone number has changed since last time you and I talked.
[01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:53.000]  Just send me an email and I'll forward it to Michael or let you have Michael's.
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:55.000]  Michael, is your email the same?
[01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:56.000]  I've got Michael's.
[01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:59.000]  I'm on Michael's blog list.
[01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.000]  Yeah, let me send it straight up to you, Mike.
[01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  You're going to be taking off what, in two weeks?
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.000]  Yeah.
[01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:12.000]  All right, you'll get time.
[01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:14.000]  I'll send it out tonight.
[01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.000]  Okay, I'll get in touch with him.
[01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:17.000]  Sit down and talk.
[01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.000]  Okay.
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:19.000]  I can find you.
[01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.000]  All right, thanks, Pat.
[01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:24.000]  Second class together.
[01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:25.000]  Okay, thanks, Patty.
[01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:26.000]  Thanks, Pat.
[01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.000]  We have some more callers.
[01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:28.000]  Yeah.
[01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.000]  Okay.
[01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:30.000]  I'll get off.
[01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:37.000]  Have a fun Merry Christmas, even if that may not be politically correct.
[01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:42.000]  Since when was the rule of law politically correct?
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.000]  Humbug, humbug, humbug.
[01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.000]  All right, thanks for calling, Pat.
[01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:45.000]  You too.
[01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:46.000]  You guys.
[01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:47.000]  Okay.
[01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  You too.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.000]  Good night.
[01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:50.000]  Okay, we've got Max from Texas.
[01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:54.000]  He has a very specific question about Constitution, so we're going to take him now.
[01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.000]  We've got a couple minutes until break, but we can hold him over if we're not done answering.
[01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.000]  Max, thank you for calling in.
[01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  What is your question for Michael Badnerich tonight?
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:05.000]  Yes.
[01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.000]  Good evening, Deborah and Randy and Mr. Michael.
[01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.000]  Pleasure to finally hear from you.
[01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  I've heard your name several times, but never really got to hear from you, so I've kind of looked at the YouTube videos and whatnot, and I'll get to those later.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:35.000]  But anyway, I did have a question regarding perhaps an inconsistency between the federal Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights versus our Texas Constitution here in Article 1, Section 23, our right to keep and bear arms here in Texas.
[01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:47.000]  And then I actually want to tie it into the open carry thing, supposedly open carry thing that passed for people with a CHL recently here in Texas.
[01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:59.000]  And it seems like there's an inconsistency between when the federal Constitution says the rights of the citizen shall not be infringed to keep and bear arms.
[01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:10.000]  And then in the Texas Constitution, they have this comma kind of at the end where they're saying, but, you know, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.
[01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.000]  And I think that that kind of leaves the Texas Bill of Rights open.
[01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:22.000]  And there's several other sections that are kind of left open like that to where we kind of don't know where, you know, our rights end.
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:29.000]  And people are looking at it as an enumerated list of rights and not, you know...
[01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:38.000]  The bottom line is that if I tell you you're not allowed to think of a black cat, there's no way that I can regulate that.
[01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:43.000]  You know, thinking is a right. You can think whatever you want.
[01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:51.000]  I have a right to life. I have a right to defend my life, although society is trying to convince us that we don't.
[01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:55.000]  All right. Listen, Michael, we're going to have to leave it right there because we're going to break.
[01:16:55.000 --> 01:17:00.000]  Max, stay right there. We'll be right back. This is the rule of law.
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[01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:33.000]  Well, ain't gonna fool me
[01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:34.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.000]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton.
[01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:40.000]  I'm Deborah Stevens here with our very special guest and good friend, Michael Badnerick.
[01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.000]  So good to have him back.
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.000]  So good to have him on the air again.
[01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:47.000]  So good to hear that he is moving back to Texas.
[01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.000]  That is just wonderful news.
[01:19:49.000 --> 01:20:02.000]  And so we are on the line right now with Max, who is talking about some discrepancies, some apparent incompatibilities between the Texas Constitution and the federal Constitution.
[01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.000]  And Michael's about to address that.
[01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:11.000]  So callers, if you have a question for Michael, 512-646-1984, you're welcome to call in.
[01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:19.000]  Okay, go ahead, Michael, you were talking about telling people they can't think about cats.
[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:20.000]  Max is correct.
[01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:27.000]  There is a discrepancy in what is written on paper and certainly the way we interpret what is written on paper.
[01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:35.000]  Federal Constitution, Second Amendment says our rights shall not be infringed, which is pretty cut and dry.
[01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:41.000]  But still, we've got the ATF trying to put people out of business, trying to eliminate the Second Amendment.
[01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:50.000]  And the Texas Constitution gives this, you know, wamby-pamby, you know, and we can regulate this with a view.
[01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.000]  Like, BS, you have no right to do that.
[01:20:53.000 --> 01:21:02.000]  So we have to understand that what is written on paper is not always gospel truth.
[01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:05.000]  It's not engraved in stone.
[01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:17.000]  And so, you know, if the government was making it mandatory that you had to fill out this piece of paper to say where you were going to church, you know,
[01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.000]  if you fill out the paperwork, you are complying.
[01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:26.000]  And, you know, I've got a segment of video out there that says I will not comply.
[01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:29.000]  I just don't follow stupid laws.
[01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:36.000]  And as far as I'm concerned, Max, 23,000 gun laws in this country are unconstitutional.
[01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.000]  They're irrational.
[01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:43.000]  They all infringe on my right to self-defense, and I just ignore them.
[01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.000]  So the problem...
[01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.000]  It absolutely constitutes infringement.
[01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:50.000]  Yeah, you know, it's infringement.
[01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.000]  You can't slow me down.
[01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:55.000]  We don't say, you know, you can, you know, exercise your religion,
[01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:02.000]  but only if you're Jewish, Catholic, or Protestant, you know, they don't put any limitations on which religion.
[01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:11.000]  So why would they, you know, you assume that you can put limitations on, you know, the type of gun that I carry.
[01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:19.000]  And, you know, they come up with all of these names that are emotionally wrenching.
[01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:25.000]  You know, we've got Saturday Night Specials, which is literally a gun you can afford.
[01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:28.000]  And, you know, we've got an assault rifle.
[01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:33.000]  Well, why is it an assault rifle if I'm holding it and I hand it to a police officer
[01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.000]  and suddenly it becomes an anti-assault rifle?
[01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.000]  I mean, is there a switch that he flips?
[01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:43.000]  And then we talk about cop killer bullets.
[01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:45.000]  Ooh, evil, nasty.
[01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.000]  Nobody wants a cop killer bullet.
[01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:55.000]  Well, if you have a.22 and you get close enough, you know, you can kill somebody with a.22.
[01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  You know, Robert Kennedy was murdered with a.22.
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:04.000]  So, you know, I don't know what a cop killer bullet looks like.
[01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.000]  You know, what are the specifications?
[01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.000]  Well, there are no specifications.
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:17.000]  They're just words that have been created by, you know, the liberal media to induce fear and panic.
[01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:24.000]  And so, you know, people say, well, Michael, how do you carry a gun, you know, without a concealed carry permit?
[01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:29.000]  And my answer is, well, you load the gun, you put it in your holster, you walk out the door,
[01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:34.000]  and if anybody tries to take it away from you, you shoot and kill them.
[01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:36.000]  And they go, oh, my God, you can't say that.
[01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:38.000]  It's, you know, like, violent.
[01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.000]  Well, it's not violent if they don't try to take my gun.
[01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:44.000]  You know, I'm under assault.
[01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  Yeah, I want to make a comment about this concealed carry licensing scheme as well.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:24:01.000]  You know, at least in Texas, it doesn't really, like, grant you any special privilege that you don't already have as a right anyway.
[01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:10.000]  I mean, basically, you know, what the gun control laws here in Texas say regarding the concealed carry is that, you know,
[01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:17.000]  there are certain places that you, you know, can't, air quotes, big quotes around the word can't, okay,
[01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:25.000]  carry concealed firearm in, like, certain public places, like walking down the street, that's public property,
[01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:32.000]  or at the courthouse, or on the Capitol steps, or at certain places of, you know,
[01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:36.000]  establishments where they sell alcohol that's, you know,
[01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:42.000]  where a certain percentage of their business income is more than a certain percent due to alcohol sales or whatnot.
[01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:52.000]  Okay, well, the thing is, you can go most anywhere anyways and not even allegedly being accused of violating that statute,
[01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:58.000]  because most places you're going to go are going to be private property anyway and in your car, okay?
[01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:06.000]  The traveling statute was fully enumerated several years ago to say traveling doesn't just mean, you know,
[01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:09.000]  going from one county to another county, like crossing state lines.
[01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:15.000]  It's like you get in your car and drive, you know, 30 feet, that's traveling, okay?
[01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:19.000]  Anything is traveling if you're going from point A to B, okay?
[01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:23.000]  So you got it with you in your car, you know, inside your jacket or in your holster, whatever.
[01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:30.000]  You get to your friend's house, you're there, you have it, you know, the whole nine yards, even restaurants, whatever.
[01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:37.000]  And there have been cases here in Texas where, and as Michael says, if nobody tries to take the gun from you
[01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  or if there's not any kind of incident where you need to pull it out to protect people, okay,
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:49.000]  like if some crazy shooter walks in a restaurant or something like that, then nobody even knows you have it, okay?
[01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.000]  So that's the reality of the situation.
[01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:58.000]  And there have been court cases where people who did not have concealed carry did end up having to pull their gun out
[01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:05.000]  to protect the other people in the restaurant or in the public place, and the prosecutors,
[01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:12.000]  the district attorneys here in Texas won't prosecute them because they were saving people's lives, and they did save people's lives.
[01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:20.000]  So the district attorneys here have chosen not to prosecute those people for violating the concealed carry statute.
[01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:28.000]  So, I mean, if that's the way it is in reality, I mean, I don't see, personally, I would never get a concealed carry license.
[01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:33.000]  I would never get a license for anything like that, okay?
[01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:34.000]  I don't want licenses, period.
[01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:37.000]  I'm not going to ask the government for permission to do something.
[01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:38.000]  I'm just not going to do that.
[01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:44.000]  This is going back to all these gotcha agreements that we talked about last week and touched on a little bit earlier.
[01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:51.000]  So as far as, like, I would like to address maybe the legal aspect of your question concerning, you know,
[01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:56.000]  this one article of the Texas Constitution versus this article of the federal Constitution,
[01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  I don't know if that issue has ever been brought up in court.
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:02.000]  Somebody would have to be damaged by that.
[01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:10.000]  I don't know if that issue has ever been raised in court or if it's ever come up as something that needs to be addressed.
[01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:17.000]  But it's my understanding that when it comes to enumeration and protections of rights,
[01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:21.000]  ultimately the federal Constitution stands.
[01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:26.000]  In other words, the states, they can enumerate additional rights if they want to.
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.000]  And remember, it's not granting anything.
[01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:32.000]  It's just, you know, maybe listing a few extras, okay?
[01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:38.000]  The states can enumerate additional rights, but they cannot, you know,
[01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:43.000]  reduce the rights that are protected by the federal Constitution.
[01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:45.000]  That's my understanding.
[01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.000]  Is that correct, Randy?
[01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:49.000]  Randy?
[01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:55.000]  They cannot put a greater restriction on you than the federal Constitution.
[01:27:55.000 --> 01:28:07.000]  Yeah, yeah, in other words, they can't expand the authority of the federal government beyond the restrictions
[01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:11.000]  that are placed by the federal Constitution is really what it comes down to.
[01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:19.000]  I think what Max needs to know is that the feds and the Texas government don't follow their own constitutions anyway.
[01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:22.000]  So they really are just, you know, pieces of paper.
[01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:31.000]  And, you know, in the meantime, you're going to have to decide how strongly you're going to protect yourself and your right to carry.
[01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:35.000]  Well, the bottom line is you just don't enter into their agreements in the first place,
[01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:38.000]  and then you just don't have anything to worry about.
[01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:44.000]  Just don't get entrapped and entangled into their gotcha agreements in the first place.
[01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:51.000]  I don't think they're going to be worried about my agreements when I'm walking down the sidewalk, you know, with a gun and a holster.
[01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:55.000]  I don't think so, Michael.
[01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:57.000]  They're not going to like it.
[01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:06.000]  And it's like, well, we can talk or we can start shooting your choice.
[01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:07.000]  Am I still there?
[01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:08.000]  Yeah, you're here, Max.
[01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:12.000]  Does that kind of address your point or do you want you have more?
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:17.000]  And in fact, that's exactly the rant that I wanted out of all of you all.
[01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.000]  Well, good.
[01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:21.000]  No, I do rant for free.
[01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:22.000]  Just call me on the phone.
[01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:24.000]  I'll rant as long as you're listening.
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.000]  Okay.
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.000]  Yeah, go ahead, Max, what were you saying?
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:33.000]  Well, in fact, it was his intro speech, you know, before we had any callers that kind of really, you know,
[01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.000]  oh, yeah, I've seen where that's happened, you know, here, you know,
[01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:43.000]  where we have a supposed bill of rights in the Texas Constitution that appears to instead be limiting rights when it says,
[01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:48.000]  but the legislature shall have power by law to regulate the way.
[01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.000]  No, no, no, no, no, this is the bill of rights.
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:51.000]  Okay.
[01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:53.000]  Wait, hang on, hang on, Max, go to break.
[01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:55.000]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
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[01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:52.000]  When I think of the Second Amendment, I visualize myself wrapping my two arms around the bill of rights in a big old bear hug.
[01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:56.000]  It's how I remember that the Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms,
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[01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:22.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:25.000]  We're here with our very good friend, special guest Michael Badneric.
[01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:32.000]  We're here with Max from Texas on the line, who's talking about this clause of the Texas Constitution,
[01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:38.000]  basically saying, oh, people have the right to carry guns except blah, blah, okay?
[01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:45.000]  And, okay, like I was saying earlier, Max, I don't know if there's been any cases that have challenged that,
[01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:51.000]  or if so, you know, where it led or how people could challenge that.
[01:33:51.000 --> 01:34:00.000]  As Randy was pointing out on the break, there has to be something in statute that is based on that.
[01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:05.000]  And I was saying, and not only that, somebody has to be damaged by it.
[01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:14.000]  Somebody's rights have to be infringed upon, violated, taken away in order for anyone to be able to challenge that in court,
[01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:17.000]  that clause in the Texas Constitution.
[01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:20.000]  Otherwise, it's just words on paper.
[01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:21.000]  Who cares, okay?
[01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:25.000]  If no one's been damaged by it, if no one's been harmed, then what is it?
[01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.000]  It doesn't even really matter.
[01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:30.000]  And like I was saying, I was telling these guys on the break,
[01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:39.000]  do you think that that little clause in the Texas Constitution is going to stop Michael Badner from walking down the street with a gun, okay?
[01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:41.000]  No, I don't think so.
[01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:42.000]  Who cares?
[01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:44.000]  I mean, in a way, who cares what it says, all right?
[01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:52.000]  Because if it's not really damaging you, then you really don't have any standing to raise an issue about it, okay?
[01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:59.000]  And this is where I was also headed to talking about this commercial, this whole commercial agreement, okay?
[01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:05.000]  There actually is a statute that kind of is based on that clause in the Constitution.
[01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.000]  It's a concealed carry statute in Texas.
[01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:14.000]  And now they have added onto that the open carry, all right, the licensed open carry.
[01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:17.000]  And everybody, well, I don't want to say everybody.
[01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:19.000]  Most people think it's such a great thing.
[01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:20.000]  Oh, isn't it awesome?
[01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:22.000]  We get to open carry now.
[01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.000]  Oh, you get to?
[01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:27.000]  You know, like mommy gave you permission to?
[01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:29.000]  You know, it's a privilege, okay?
[01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:32.000]  And it's like, how is that good?
[01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:33.000]  I don't see that, okay?
[01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:39.000]  They have just added on more restrictions to carrying in statute.
[01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:45.000]  Now they have added on and sealed the deal about open carry that now you have to have a, you, quote,
[01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:49.000]  have to have a license to open carry as well.
[01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:53.000]  Oh, if you have a concealed carry permit now, then you get to, okay?
[01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:55.000]  Oh, I get to.
[01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.000]  Well, you know, in a way, it's true.
[01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:03.000]  You do get to because when you get that license, when you make that commercial agreement with the state,
[01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:07.000]  you just abdicated your rights, your gun rights.
[01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.000]  You just completely threw them away.
[01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:15.000]  By commercial agreement, you voluntarily applied for a license and said,
[01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:17.000]  government, please regulate me.
[01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:21.000]  Please tell me what I can and cannot do with a gun, okay?
[01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:23.000]  That's what people do, okay?
[01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:28.000]  And there are various reasons that people do that, and people cannot claim non-disclosure.
[01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:29.000]  You have to take classes.
[01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.000]  You have to read the law.
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:33.000]  You have to fully understand.
[01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:40.000]  And a friend of mine, his wife wanted to or thought she wanted to go for concealed carry.
[01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:41.000]  This is Larry Wiest.
[01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:44.000]  He was actually on this network for a while.
[01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:50.000]  And his wife went to do concealed carry class, and she said that basically, you know,
[01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:53.000]  75 to 90% of the class is not shooting.
[01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:57.000]  It's learning all the regulations and the statutes surrounding it.
[01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:02.000]  And she said the whole thing was more about what you cannot do than what you can do.
[01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:05.000]  And so finally, she's like, forget this, okay?
[01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:10.000]  No, you walk into it with your eyes open when you do that licensing thing, all right?
[01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.000]  And you're completely giving up your rights, okay?
[01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:18.000]  There are things that you cannot do with a concealed carry license that actually,
[01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:23.000]  if you did not have a concealed carry license, you would not be restricted in that manner.
[01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:28.000]  There are several things concerning that that I'll get into later.
[01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:32.000]  You know, basically, a car, okay, for example.
[01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:36.000]  Unless they've changed things, the last time I checked, if you have concealed carry license
[01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:41.000]  and you want to take it with you in your car, you better have that license with you.
[01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:48.000]  Well, you don't have to have a license to take the gun in your car if you don't have a license.
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:49.000]  Do you see what I'm saying?
[01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:52.000]  People can take their guns in their car without a license.
[01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000]  But once you get that license, you can't take your gun in your car with you
[01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.000]  unless you have a license with you.
[01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:01.000]  I mean, it's like you are fully under that license, okay?
[01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:07.000]  And so when you make that agreement and go into that and you abdicate your rights,
[01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:12.000]  and now you are in a set of privileges that are granted to you that can be taken away from you
[01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:18.000]  if certain things happen while you have that license, you know, they yank it from you or whatnot,
[01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:25.000]  and going back to the challenge of that little part of the Texas Constitution,
[01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:29.000]  well, you have to be harmed in order to challenge that.
[01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:36.000]  And if you have agreed to the regulatory scheme, then you have no standing to challenge it
[01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:39.000]  because you bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
[01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:43.000]  The only people that can challenge it are the ones that have not agreed to it.
[01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:50.000]  And so it looks to me just from a legal perspective that it would be nigh impossible
[01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:54.000]  to even challenge that section of that clause of the Constitution
[01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:59.000]  because if you don't agree to it, then you don't agree to it, okay?
[01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:02.000]  You're outside the realm of that.
[01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:06.000]  And if you've agreed to the statute, well, then you can't challenge it anyway.
[01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:10.000]  So anyway, the bottom line is just don't agree to it.
[01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:11.000]  Right, Michael?
[01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.000]  Am I making sense here?
[01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.000]  I do not consent.
[01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:16.000]  There you go.
[01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:20.000]  Randy?
[01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:21.000]  I do not consent.
[01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:24.000]  Okay, so Max, does that make sense?
[01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:30.000]  Yep, and I haven't consented either, and I don't have any license to bear arms.
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:34.000]  I was going with the federal one other than the Texas one here,
[01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  but I just thought that it would be an interesting point to bring up
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:45.000]  the different wording in the different sections of the Constitution
[01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:53.000]  where we're talking about open carry versus the wearing of arms versus keeping and bearing,
[01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:57.000]  and I think that those words have some significance in the point.
[01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:03.000]  That's all I was hoping to get y'all's opinion on, and yeah, I don't consent either.
[01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:04.000]  Okay.
[01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:06.000]  Well, I hope we answered your question.
[01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:07.000]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:10.000]  It raises a question for me.
[01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:15.000]  Michael, what does bearing arms mean?
[01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:22.000]  Carrying a gun that's loaded and you know how and are prepared to shoot it.
[01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:28.000]  That's keeping and bearing of arms.
[01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:32.000]  Well, there's the layman's definition, and then there's a legal definition.
[01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:37.000]  So, Max, were you about to get into that about these different terms?
[01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:39.000]  Guys, honestly, I haven't looked it up.
[01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:42.000]  I was just thinking that maybe y'all had some knowledge about the difference
[01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:49.000]  between keeping and bearing versus wearing and carrying.
[01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.000]  I've got it.
[01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:51.000]  They're not taking it.
[01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:53.000]  Any questions?
[01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:56.000]  Well, I have a feeling, and I haven't looked it up yet.
[01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:01.000]  I can, but I have a feeling that each one of those words is going to have
[01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:07.000]  a much different connotation, and like with the wearing and carrying,
[01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:11.000]  that sounds like that's more likely related to the open carry statute,
[01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:16.000]  which is a licensing scheme, which is a commercial agreement in nature,
[01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:21.000]  and so that would put you under some kind of a commercial agreement situation,
[01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:26.000]  whereas it sounds to me like keeping and bearing would be...
[01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:27.000]  I'm not carrying a gun.
[01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:28.000]  I'm bearing arms.
[01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:32.000]  Yeah, that sounds to me like that would be outside the realm of a commercial
[01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:36.000]  agreement, kind of like the difference between a driver and a traveler.
[01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.000]  If you're a driver, that is a commercial term.
[01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:43.000]  That is a legal commercial term, all right, that you have agreed to the statute,
[01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:47.000]  you've agreed to the whole licensing scheme and all that kind of stuff,
[01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:48.000]  which is much...
[01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:50.000]  A driver is much different from a traveler.
[01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:51.000]  I think that that...
[01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:54.000]  I'll look it up, but my gut instinct right now is telling me that the
[01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:59.000]  difference between wearing and carrying is akin to being a driver,
[01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:03.000]  and the keeping and bearing is more akin to being a traveler.
[01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:08.000]  That's probably what it is or something similar.
[01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.000]  Okay, guys, I can ramble on, but I should probably let you all go.
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:13.000]  I have other callers.
[01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:16.000]  Okay, well, thank you, Max.
[01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.000]  Okay, guys, and good to talk to you, Michael.
[01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.000]  Thank you.
[01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:25.000]  Come to my class in January.
[01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:30.000]  All right, thanks, Max.
[01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.000]  So we don't agree.
[01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.000]  We don't consent.
[01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:37.000]  I do not consent.
[01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:44.000]  Yeah, it's about a five-minute segment of the class I taught back in 2001.
[01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:49.000]  It's on YouTube, and people have excerpted it.
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.000]  And, you know, I was pointing out that, you know,
[01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:55.000]  the government will threaten your rights,
[01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:58.000]  and you draw this artificial line in the sand.
[01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:01.000]  You keep backing up, backing up, backing up further.
[01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:04.000]  You know, you keep allowing the government to teach.
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.000]  You know, you've got to stand up for yourself.
[01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:08.000]  I do not consent.
[01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:12.000]  I'm not putting up with this BS.
[01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.000]  There you go.
[01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:15.000]  There you have it.
[01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:16.000]  Attitude.
[01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.000]  So my second book is called Secret to Sovereignty,
[01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:26.000]  and basically it is an attempt to teach people to be brave.
[01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:31.000]  You know, you don't need anybody to give you sovereignty.
[01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:34.000]  You know, you already have sovereignty.
[01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:39.000]  You just got to be bold enough to, you know, exercise it.
[01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:40.000]  All right.
[01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:41.000]  Well, we're heading to break.
[01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:42.000]  We've got one more segment.
[01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  We see Bill from Wisconsin on the line.
[01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.000]  Bill, we're going to go to you next.
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[01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:26.000]  We are back.
[01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:27.000]  We've got one more segment.
[01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:28.000]  We're about to go to Bill in Wisconsin.
[01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:34.000]  But just quickly, I wanted to just go back to this bearing and carrying and wearing thing.
[01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:40.000]  This is something that we need to research a little bit more, and we could talk about it some more on another show.
[01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:49.000]  But just as a strategy, when you're looking at situations like this and trying to figure out what does this word mean, what does that word mean,
[01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:57.000]  do they have legal, you know, meanings and stuff like that, the first place I would go to is the statute, not even the Constitution or Black's Law or any of that.
[01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:03.000]  I would first look at the current statute that has to do with something like that.
[01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:07.000]  Okay, like I would go to the concealed carry statute and see how do they define carry?
[01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:09.000]  How do they define where?
[01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:17.000]  What other words are they using similar to that that are defined in that licensing scheme statute?
[01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:27.000]  You know what, all the words that they use that are defined in that statute, I would consider hijacked terms, okay, hijacked words,
[01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:33.000]  words that are normally used by a layperson to mean a certain thing.
[01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:44.000]  But now they have hijacked those terms and assigned them legal commercial meanings like the word driver, okay, and operator and things like this.
[01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:51.000]  Okay, so first you've got to figure out what all terms have they hijacked, okay, and then you start going back like what Randy is doing now,
[01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:58.000]  reading some treatises and see what some of these words originally meant, okay,
[01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:06.000]  and then you pick the words that have not been hijacked to describe what you're doing, like travel instead of drive.
[01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:15.000]  That's the strategy in researching this, you've got to figure out what terms are now commercial terms so that you can know what terms you should be using,
[01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:17.000]  okay, because you don't want to use their terms that they've hijacked.
[01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.000]  All right, we're going to go to Bill in Wisconsin.
[01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:21.000]  Okay, Bill, thank you for calling in.
[01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:25.000]  What is your question for Michael Banner tonight?
[01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:30.000]  Hi, well, my question is more of a courtroom procedure.
[01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:32.000]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:41.000]  Okay, I just finished listening to the rule of law traffic seminar, and I was on day two, session three with Randy,
[01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:52.000]  and Randy had mentioned the going into court with if they assign you attorney, you can use the attorney to your advantage.
[01:48:52.000 --> 01:49:09.000]  I was just wondering, using attorney to your advantage versus pro se being in court, the initial appearance is coming up for this case.
[01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:14.000]  Okay, would you like me to re-explain that issue?
[01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:25.000]  When you go into court, it's like sitting at a four-sided chess board. You're on one side, your lawyer is to your right,
[01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:30.000]  opposing counsel is to your left, the judge is across from you.
[01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:33.000]  You have a relationship with your lawyer.
[01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:37.000]  Your lawyer has a relationship with opposing counsel.
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:40.000]  It's the same business, you deal with each other all the time.
[01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:44.000]  Most lawyers have a relationship with the judge because they deal with each other all the time.
[01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:47.000]  You're the odd man out.
[01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:53.000]  You will not win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side to think so is naive.
[01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:59.000]  You'll only win your case if you have the politics on your side, so where's the politics here?
[01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:06.000]  The politics is in your lawyer's relationship with the other lawyer and the judge.
[01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:11.000]  The way I beat the case when they knocked my tooth out at the Secretary of State's building
[01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:17.000]  was they dismissed the case to protect my lawyer from me.
[01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:22.000]  I hammered my lawyer and forced him to do what he didn't want to do
[01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:28.000]  and the lawyer was certain I was going to bar-grieve him out of business,
[01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:33.000]  so he went to the judge and asked the judge to bail him out of this spot.
[01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:38.000]  So he took advantage of his relationship with the judge and the other lawyer
[01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:42.000]  to protect him from his unruly client.
[01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:49.000]  So if you go in without a lawyer, then not only do you not have any influence,
[01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:55.000]  you don't have any relationships to negotiate.
[01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.000]  Does that make sense?
[01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:00.000]  Well, it does, it does. It's just a different strategy.
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:06.000]  I've heard others say that the pro se is a better way to go.
[01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:09.000]  Here's the deal on pro se.
[01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:14.000]  If you go into court pro se, you can expect the court to rule against you out of hand at every turn,
[01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:18.000]  no matter what.
[01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:22.000]  Now that may not be right, but that has certainly been my experience.
[01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:29.000]  There have been rare occasions where the court didn't rule against a pro se out of hand at every turn,
[01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.000]  but they are rare.
[01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:39.000]  If you go in pro se, remember that your only purpose in the trial court is to set the record for appeal.
[01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:42.000]  Do not expect the judge to rule in your favor.
[01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:47.000]  He'll use the fact that he rules against you in order to get you agitated,
[01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:52.000]  to get you off balance, make you feel betrayed and mistreated,
[01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:58.000]  and cause you to lose your perspective.
[01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:03.000]  If you're only in there to set the record, you don't care what that jack led does.
[01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:06.000]  You just do whatever you want to. I'm just setting a record.
[01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:09.000]  They'll figure that out.
[01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:12.000]  It's about all you can do if you go in pro se.
[01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:16.000]  If you bring in your own lawyer or get them to appoint you one,
[01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:21.000]  once the lawyer's in the door, he can't get out.
[01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.000]  You know, hear these lawyers withdraw?
[01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:27.000]  Nah, you don't get to do that.
[01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:30.000]  When they appointed a counsel for me,
[01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:34.000]  first thing he did was start telling me how things were going to go,
[01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:39.000]  and I stopped him and said, no, no, no, that's not how things are going to go.
[01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:43.000]  He said, well, how are things going to go? This is how they're going to go.
[01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:47.000]  You're going to go to the judge and ask the judge to remove you from this case,
[01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:51.000]  and I'm going to go to the judge and tell the judge, don't you dare remove him from this case.
[01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.000]  He's my counsel of choice, and he's under contract.
[01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:57.000]  And the lawyer said, well, Mr. Kelton, I'm not under contract with you.
[01:52:57.000 --> 01:52:59.000]  I'm under contract with the state.
[01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:01.000]  As a matter of fact, you are, but I'm the intended third party
[01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.000]  to be in the precary, and I have standing before the contract.
[01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:07.000]  So when the judge is going to remove you from the case, he said, yes, he will.
[01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:11.000]  Then I get to sue the judge for interfering with the contract,
[01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:15.000]  and the lawyer sat back and looked at me, and you could see it in his eyes.
[01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:19.000]  He's going to get me disbarred.
[01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:24.000]  I bet he told me 20 times if he told me once, I was going to get him disbarred.
[01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:28.000]  And I told him, your problem, not my problem.
[01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:32.000]  You do your job.
[01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:39.000]  I told him that I had filed a motion with 19 due process violations in it.
[01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:42.000]  You will adequately adjudicate every single one of them.
[01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:47.000]  If you fail to adjudicate a single one of them, I'll barg review.
[01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:55.000]  Mr. Kelton, you would grieve me in a heartbeat.
[01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:56.000]  Excuse me.
[01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:00.000]  So I put the lawyer in a spot.
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:01.000]  I barg grieve the lawyer.
[01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:07.000]  They'll cancel his malpractice insurance or double it.
[01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.000]  So what's he going to do?
[01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:15.000]  If he goes and adjudicates my issues, he's afraid the judge will sanction him
[01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:17.000]  for his bar card.
[01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:19.000]  The lawyers are terrified.
[01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:22.000]  So I wind up sending him to the judge.
[01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:24.000]  This is a new lawyer.
[01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:26.000]  He just got his bar card.
[01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:32.000]  He went to work for a small law firm and they're paying their bills doing court
[01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:34.000]  appointed counsel.
[01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:39.000]  So now he's afraid that I'm going to ruin that for him.
[01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:43.000]  So what he does is run to the judge and ask the judge to bail him out on this one
[01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:47.000]  because I make sure that all of the rest of these clients don't have anything
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:52.000]  that they can appeal on.
[01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:56.000]  I don't know how else you can, if you're fighting a traffic ticket, probably the
[01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.000]  hardest thing to fight.
[01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:03.000]  Judges just really don't care.
[01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:05.000]  They don't care what the law is.
[01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:09.000]  They're just there to collect money.
[01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:11.000]  They feel like they're absolutely protected.
[01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:13.000]  They can do anything they want to.
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:15.000]  Nobody can do anything about it.
[01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:18.000]  And they will rule against you out of hand at every turn.
[01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:24.000]  Yeah, and if you do manage to get your lawyer to file the documents that Eddie
[01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:31.000]  recommends and to pursue that strategy, even if you can get a lawyer to do that,
[01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:36.000]  you're going to have the same result as if you were a pro se.
[01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:41.000]  And there are lawyers even here in town that have actually hired Eddie to help
[01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:47.000]  them with traffic tickets and have used Eddie's strategy.
[01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:54.000]  And this one particular lawyer ran up into a lot of friction with this judge,
[01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:58.000]  let me tell you, because this lawyer was basically stepping outside of the thin
[01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:02.000]  blue line or whatever you want to call it, stepping outside of protocol here
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:06.000]  because he wasn't playing the game like he normally does, like they normally are
[01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:08.000]  supposed to do.
[01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.000]  And there were some ramifications.
[01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:12.000]  I don't remember what all it was.
[01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  I think they tried to hold him in contempt.
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:20.000]  I mean, it's like these judges will threaten to take their bar cards away.
[01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:26.000]  So you may get a lawyer to do it, but even if you do, you're going to get the
[01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:27.000]  same result from the court.
[01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:28.000]  Let's just put it that way.
[01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:31.000]  If it is something like a traffic ticket, I just do it pro se because if you get
[01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:36.000]  a lawyer to help you and you are insisting on pursuing these strategies that
[01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:41.000]  Eddie is teaching, basically what you're going to be doing is you're going to
[01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:45.000]  create, you're going to create an additional fight for yourself because now
[01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:49.000]  you're going to have to fight your lawyer too and not just the traffic ticket
[01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:53.000]  because if he doesn't do what you want, then you have to threaten the bar
[01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:57.000]  grievance and all this kind of thing and you have to spend time on, you know,
[01:56:57.000 --> 01:57:01.000]  the strategy to make your lawyer do what you want them to do.
[01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:02.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:05.000]  This is all for show for the judge.
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:06.000]  Okay.
[01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:07.000]  Well, anyway, listen, we're running out of time.
[01:57:07.000 --> 01:57:12.000]  We need to pick up this particular aspect of this conversation at another time.
[01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:15.000]  It depends on how much time you want to invest in this to put on a show for the
[01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:16.000]  judge.
[01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:17.000]  I agree.
[01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:18.000]  Okay.
[01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:20.000]  If it were me, I would just do it pro se.
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:21.000]  All right.
[01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:24.000]  But if you can find a lawyer that you think you can work the lawyer and put on
[01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.000]  a show and you want to have time for that, that's fine.
[01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.000]  But listen, we need to let you go, Bill.
[01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.000]  Maybe you could call in tomorrow night.
[01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:31.000]  And Patrick, I'm sorry.
[01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:32.000]  We're not going to have time for you.
[01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:36.000]  We've only got about a minute left, and so I want to get some closing comments
[01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:37.000]  from Michael Badnerich.
[01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:42.000]  Michael, why don't you give out your website and how people can contact you if
[01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:46.000]  they want to get a group together to get you to come out to where they are to
[01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:49.000]  teach a class and promote your class again.
[01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:56.000]  My website is constitutionpreservation.org.
[01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  If you go to the start here menu item, it will give you information about the
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.000]  class, how to organize a class.
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:07.000]  It will show you my calendar of classes so far for 2016.
[01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:11.000]  And if you want to set up a class, just give me a call.
[01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:18.000]  My number is 512-461-0995.
[01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:21.000]  All right, and folks, I have taken his class, and I think it's great.
[01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  I think everyone should take it.
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:28.000]  So especially if you all are here in the Austin area, that class again is on
[01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.000]  January 9th.
[01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:33.000]  So make sure you go to the website, get registered, send him an email.
[01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:36.000]  And Michael, thank you for joining us tonight.
[01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:38.000]  Thank you so much for having me on.
[01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:39.000]  I can't wait to get back to Texas.
[01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:40.000]  All righty.
[01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:43.000]  All right, folks, tune in tomorrow night for a four-hour info marathon.
[01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:45.000]  Patrick, you can call in tomorrow night.
[01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.000]  Bill, you can call in tomorrow night as well.
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:48.000]  And we'll pick up where we left off.
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