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[05:06.600 --> 05:12.040]  Okay, howdy, howdy, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio on this
[05:12.040 --> 05:22.080]  Thursday, the 19th of March, 2015, and we have a very special guest today.
[05:22.080 --> 05:30.120]  In this community, there have been talk from time to time about the value of Texas seceding
[05:30.120 --> 05:33.280]  from the union.
[05:33.280 --> 05:42.440]  And finally, we have someone who is essentially an expert on this topic.
[05:42.440 --> 05:49.000]  He is with the Freedom Texas Network and he has a website, freedomtexas.org.
[05:49.000 --> 05:59.040]  Terry, will you kind of give us a good idea of what it is you're proposing?
[05:59.040 --> 06:07.080]  Oh, well, Terry, it'll sound better if I unmute you now.
[06:07.080 --> 06:08.080]  Try that again.
[06:08.080 --> 06:09.080]  You'll probably sound better.
[06:09.080 --> 06:10.080]  There you go.
[06:10.080 --> 06:11.080]  Good evening, Randy.
[06:11.080 --> 06:12.080]  Thanks for having me on.
[06:12.080 --> 06:19.080]  Yeah, I'd be glad to give the foundation and the basics for what we're talking about here.
[06:19.080 --> 06:25.240]  This is a gigantic subject to the people of Texas and probably to the other to the people
[06:25.240 --> 06:32.280]  of the other 49 states, but the organization, Freedom Texas, is really put together with
[06:32.280 --> 06:39.400]  a coalition of really like-minded people who understand and believe that the U.S. government
[06:39.400 --> 06:44.120]  has overstepped its boundaries and no longer adheres to the Constitution of the United
[06:44.120 --> 06:49.480]  States as set forth by our founders.
[06:49.480 --> 06:55.200]  And we've got to a point where we do not wish really to continue to follow the illegal
[06:55.200 --> 07:04.360]  and immoral direction of the USA, but we believe that the only way to fix the political situation
[07:04.360 --> 07:10.600]  that we have in this country is for Texas to form a new Republic of Texas and get back
[07:10.600 --> 07:18.080]  to, get back to, Randy, a constitutional government that was founded on the Judeo-Christian values
[07:18.080 --> 07:22.240]  that the nation was originally founded on.
[07:22.240 --> 07:30.920]  Okay, getting, getting back to the original constitution we were founding on, when you
[07:30.920 --> 07:35.760]  said that, the question immediately come to mind.
[07:35.760 --> 07:46.600]  If we separate from the federal government, how do we effectively disentangle ourselves
[07:46.600 --> 07:57.120]  and what institutions will we have to construct to take the place of necessary functions that
[07:57.120 --> 07:59.480]  the federal government has been handling?
[07:59.480 --> 08:05.660]  Yeah, that's a great question, Randy, and it's one that Freedom Texas has been working
[08:05.660 --> 08:07.720]  on for quite some time now.
[08:07.720 --> 08:15.800]  Basically, there's about 20 areas that Texas needs to prepare to be able to step away and
[08:15.800 --> 08:20.080]  to function as an independent, as an independent entity.
[08:20.080 --> 08:24.320]  Number one, and I'll just kind of go through them very quickly here if that's okay, we,
[08:24.320 --> 08:30.360]  we've got to prepare to, number one, obviously, secure our borders and we've got to take a
[08:30.360 --> 08:36.680]  look at, we've got to prepare for our energy, in other words, our grid, our energy source
[08:36.680 --> 08:42.560]  policies, we have to take a look at, obviously, taxation, what we're going to do with social
[08:42.560 --> 08:49.760]  services, we have to take a look at our infrastructure, our transportation, well, obviously, we have,
[08:49.760 --> 08:56.040]  as we all know, a border problem here in Texas, so we have to take a look at immigration.
[08:56.040 --> 09:01.560]  We have to have and be prepared for the stabilization of our commerce and our banking, in other
[09:01.560 --> 09:08.640]  words, have a plan together that people can hit the ground running with the stabilization,
[09:08.640 --> 09:11.120]  like I said, of our banking.
[09:11.120 --> 09:15.320]  We have to take a look and prepare for our military and our defense.
[09:15.320 --> 09:21.560]  We have to probably go in and hopefully take a look and ensure that we put a new government
[09:21.560 --> 09:28.160]  together that becomes a limited government, and at the same time, we have to prepare for,
[09:28.160 --> 09:35.920]  to take care of our education and we'll have to take care of our domestic policies as well
[09:35.920 --> 09:37.240]  as our foreign policies.
[09:37.240 --> 09:43.280]  So the things that will have to be done, Randy, in a new republic are the same things that
[09:43.280 --> 09:47.800]  have to have attention paid to them in the United States of America and in the state
[09:47.800 --> 09:49.840]  of Texas to a certain extent.
[09:49.840 --> 09:56.680]  So we have prepared and we are working on, constantly working on that, the 20-point plan
[09:56.680 --> 10:04.960]  to make sure that the preparation is made to be able to handle those in a transitional
[10:04.960 --> 10:05.960]  type affair.
[10:05.960 --> 10:13.800]  Okay, I suppose the first question is, you know, we've had like this group, the Republic
[10:13.800 --> 10:22.200]  of Texas, that proposed that secession and years ago I did a presentation to them and
[10:22.200 --> 10:28.160]  asked them, I looked out at the crowd that was there and I was not impressed.
[10:28.160 --> 10:34.760]  So I asked them, if we secede from the Union, who's going to keep our hospitals running?
[10:34.760 --> 10:36.560]  Who's going to protect our borders?
[10:36.560 --> 10:43.600]  Who here has the background and knowledge to get all of that done?
[10:43.600 --> 10:50.840]  So the question here is, I certainly don't expect you to have all that knowledge or even
[10:50.840 --> 10:57.840]  your group to have all that knowledge, but how difficult is it going to be to find the
[10:57.840 --> 11:05.080]  knowledge base we need to essentially build a new government?
[11:05.080 --> 11:10.840]  Well, again, an excellent question, Randy, and it's a very logical question.
[11:10.840 --> 11:18.320]  I think all of those areas that are in play here already have people in the state of Texas
[11:18.320 --> 11:19.720]  that work in those areas.
[11:19.720 --> 11:25.200]  We have people that are familiar with our border situation.
[11:25.200 --> 11:32.360]  Obviously, we have internally, we have from the Texas Rangers on down, we have very efficient
[11:32.360 --> 11:38.360]  law enforcement organizations that can take over the border, that can handle the borders.
[11:38.360 --> 11:44.160]  Hospitals, things of that nature, all the organizations that will have to be run already
[11:44.160 --> 11:49.040]  have expertise within the state of Texas.
[11:49.040 --> 11:51.920]  I don't think we'll have to go outside for anything.
[11:51.920 --> 11:54.600]  Obviously, I live near San Antonio.
[11:54.600 --> 12:02.840]  We've got a tremendous military retirement community here that can step up and help in
[12:02.840 --> 12:05.640]  the formation of a new military.
[12:05.640 --> 12:12.240]  So I think in all honesty, Randy, I believe that that all exists within our state already.
[12:12.240 --> 12:18.920]  We're going to have to ask the Texans and the citizens of Texas to step up and share
[12:18.920 --> 12:22.800]  their expertise, maybe come out of retirement.
[12:22.800 --> 12:27.560]  But again, I think most in all of that already exists.
[12:27.560 --> 12:31.280]  For example, currency situations.
[12:31.280 --> 12:37.080]  We want to come up with a quote Texas dollar, if you will, a Texas currency.
[12:37.080 --> 12:39.640]  There's already been plans written for that.
[12:39.640 --> 12:43.680]  That already happens to have been submitted in Austin, Texas already.
[12:43.680 --> 12:45.840]  So there's a lot that's been done.
[12:45.840 --> 12:52.080]  There's a lot that can yet be done, but there's a lot of people I feel can fill those positions
[12:52.080 --> 12:55.760]  of expertise.
[12:55.760 --> 13:08.240]  Have you identified any areas where the state does not have in place something similar to
[13:08.240 --> 13:11.280]  what the federal government is doing for us?
[13:11.280 --> 13:16.600]  The state for the most part is self-sufficient.
[13:16.600 --> 13:22.760]  And I can understand that we could break away from the state and our hospitals and social
[13:22.760 --> 13:25.800]  service organizations and military.
[13:25.800 --> 13:33.800]  We have our reserves in the state already that we can convert to a military.
[13:33.800 --> 13:39.720]  I'm real reluctant about using any police in a military function.
[13:39.720 --> 13:46.480]  Being a veteran myself and seeing the difference in the two, it would terrify me if we had
[13:46.480 --> 13:51.440]  military people on the street with guns in their hands.
[13:51.440 --> 13:57.680]  Are there any areas that you have isolated that where Texas doesn't have something at
[13:57.680 --> 14:00.840]  least partially in place already?
[14:00.840 --> 14:05.160]  Well, Randy, I'll be very honest with you.
[14:05.160 --> 14:07.120]  And the answer to that is no.
[14:07.120 --> 14:09.080]  Now it may look different.
[14:09.080 --> 14:11.400]  It may have a different name.
[14:11.400 --> 14:16.020]  For example, take the IRS, the national IRS.
[14:16.020 --> 14:22.680]  We actually collect taxes and things in the state of Texas through our comptroller position
[14:22.680 --> 14:23.680]  here in Texas.
[14:23.680 --> 14:29.960]  However, going along with that, when we take a look at an independent Texas and quite frankly
[14:29.960 --> 14:38.680]  a smaller government, there's a lot of those agencies that now exist that we believe, in
[14:38.680 --> 14:45.320]  fact millions of people in Texas believe, don't need to be duplicated.
[14:45.320 --> 14:53.400]  We certainly don't need the interference that you get from an organization like the EPA
[14:53.400 --> 14:56.640]  or the IRS or the NSA.
[14:56.640 --> 14:58.400]  Just go down the alphabet.
[14:58.400 --> 15:03.000]  Everybody's got their pet ones that they hate, but there's a lot of them do not need to be
[15:03.000 --> 15:04.000]  duplicated.
[15:04.000 --> 15:13.040]  So as a general answer, I would say that Texas has in place what it would need if it were
[15:13.040 --> 15:20.960]  indeed going to function as a limited government under a constitution.
[15:20.960 --> 15:25.400]  I think we have everything pretty much in place that could go through that transition
[15:25.400 --> 15:26.400]  now.
[15:26.400 --> 15:31.880]  That was precisely the answer I wanted to hear.
[15:31.880 --> 15:39.400]  I couldn't think of anything that we didn't have and Texas being as large as it is.
[15:39.400 --> 15:47.800]  I understand that if California were a country, it would be the 11th largest economy in the
[15:47.800 --> 15:48.800]  world.
[15:48.800 --> 15:51.720]  Do you know how Texas ranks in that regard?
[15:51.720 --> 15:55.440]  I know it's up there, but I don't remember the number.
[15:55.440 --> 15:56.440]  Yeah.
[15:56.440 --> 16:04.040]  Randy, depending upon which survey you look at, I've seen everything from 11th to 14th.
[16:04.040 --> 16:11.360]  It used to be solid at 11 several years ago, but I've seen now new reports out that have
[16:11.360 --> 16:18.200]  it anywhere again from 11th to 14th, so that would be in the world.
[16:18.200 --> 16:24.600]  We've got a tremendous economy here that quite frankly has not even been turned loose yet.
[16:24.600 --> 16:28.560]  There's so many restrictions still upon the state of Texas.
[16:28.560 --> 16:34.200]  We're staring down the barrel here of the, again, the national EPA closing down many
[16:34.200 --> 16:39.680]  of our coal plants, coal fire plants, so there's a lot of potential there.
[16:39.680 --> 16:40.680]  Okay.
[16:40.680 --> 16:41.680]  Hang on.
[16:41.680 --> 16:42.680]  We're about to go to break.
[16:42.680 --> 16:45.600]  This is Randy Kelton, Denver Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
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[20:06.920 --> 20:14.920]  Okay, we are back, Randy Carroll and Deborah Stevens, on this 19th day of March 2015, and
[20:14.920 --> 20:21.480]  we're here with our special guest, Kerry Wise, and he is wise.
[20:21.480 --> 20:34.280]  And in considering wise and wisdom, there's a thought process we have to adjust to, a
[20:34.280 --> 20:44.200]  paradigm shift that we need to make in thinking about ourselves as citizens of the United
[20:44.200 --> 20:52.040]  States as opposed to citizens of the state of Texas.
[20:52.040 --> 20:59.880]  Do you have some suggestions on how we can best make this paradigm shift?
[20:59.880 --> 21:05.440]  Yeah, thanks for the compliment, by the way, Randy.
[21:05.440 --> 21:12.120]  I think one of the hardest things that people have to deal with and have to grasp is that
[21:12.120 --> 21:19.120]  concept of not being a citizen of the United States, but, say, for example, being a citizen
[21:19.120 --> 21:24.920]  of the New Republic of Texas, and I always use my personal story, if I may, about that
[21:24.920 --> 21:27.520]  because I think it's very typical.
[21:27.520 --> 21:33.440]  I'm a Vietnam veteran, I'm a child of the 50s, I'm a Vietnam veteran, I'm also an
[21:33.440 --> 21:36.640]  ex-state trooper, and so I served in law enforcement.
[21:36.640 --> 21:43.360]  You know, I took my oath of office to the Constitution of the United States very seriously
[21:43.360 --> 21:51.880]  to protect and defend, and one of the things that I did for my whole younger life up until
[21:51.880 --> 21:58.120]  the last seven or eight years was I always tried to... I knew something was wrong with
[21:58.120 --> 22:02.640]  the government, and we were getting further and further out of control, so I continued
[22:02.640 --> 22:09.000]  to vote, I continued to support candidates, I continued to do all the things that were
[22:09.000 --> 22:15.680]  within our power to do, but I got to a point where one day I said to myself, I'm looking
[22:15.680 --> 22:22.000]  at people on the federal level, and I'm not giving the state level a pass here either,
[22:22.000 --> 22:26.440]  but I'm looking at them and I'm going, you know what, they took the same oath of office
[22:26.440 --> 22:32.600]  that I did, and they are violating that oath of office, and so that really started what
[22:32.600 --> 22:38.160]  I call, and what a lot of us call, the journey to understanding, number one, the need for
[22:38.160 --> 22:43.440]  Texas independence, and the fact that it's okay, it's not disloyal.
[22:43.440 --> 22:48.720]  It's the same situation that the people were in in 1776.
[22:48.720 --> 22:56.080]  It's the same situation, Randy, that the people were in in 1836 in Texas, and it doesn't make
[22:56.080 --> 22:58.520]  you a bad person.
[22:58.520 --> 23:03.160]  It makes for a journey that you've got to complete in your mind to understand that the
[23:03.160 --> 23:11.600]  bottom line is liberty and freedom, period, plain and simple, the God-given right.
[23:11.600 --> 23:16.440]  Man does not have the right to take any of those from us, and that is exactly what we're
[23:16.440 --> 23:18.720]  seeing happen right now today.
[23:18.720 --> 23:24.360]  So that journey is a tough one for some people, and it's a long one for some people, but when
[23:24.360 --> 23:31.400]  you get to the end of it, all of this makes absolute, perfect sense.
[23:31.400 --> 23:39.960]  And I agree, and I had looked at this once before and thought, how could we effectively
[23:39.960 --> 23:44.440]  separate Texas from the rest of the Union?
[23:44.440 --> 23:56.400]  But then if you carefully consider the structure of this Union, Texas is already separate.
[23:56.400 --> 24:04.480]  We the original 13 colonies were essentially separate countries.
[24:04.480 --> 24:10.760]  After the revolution, each state set itself up as a state.
[24:10.760 --> 24:20.360]  Now when we think of state, we think of a member of a large union, like a county is
[24:20.360 --> 24:24.400]  a member of the state of Texas.
[24:24.400 --> 24:27.480]  But that's not a correct analogy.
[24:27.480 --> 24:32.520]  States are individual sovereign states.
[24:32.520 --> 24:35.960]  You look around the rest of the world, you've got states all over the place, and when they
[24:35.960 --> 24:41.640]  say state, they mean an individual sovereign country, and that's what we all were.
[24:41.640 --> 24:48.200]  And we decided that we weren't big enough by ourselves, there's some big fish out there
[24:48.200 --> 24:52.680]  and big fishy little fish, and if we don't do something, those big fishes are going to
[24:52.680 --> 24:55.720]  start swallowing up these little fishes one at a time.
[24:55.720 --> 25:02.280]  So we said, okay, we all have a common goal, so let's get together and agree to hire a
[25:02.280 --> 25:11.040]  bunch of guys to look out for those interests that we all have in common.
[25:11.040 --> 25:21.600]  And that was kind of necessary back then, when we had a lot of contention in the world.
[25:21.600 --> 25:28.560]  It's different now, and Texas at the time when it first became a state, it was relatively
[25:28.560 --> 25:31.920]  sparsely populated.
[25:31.920 --> 25:38.680]  Texas is now far bigger than all of the 13 colonies combined, population-wise, when we
[25:38.680 --> 25:41.520]  became a nation.
[25:41.520 --> 25:53.200]  The logic and political and economic necessity of us being a part of the union is not as
[25:53.200 --> 26:00.080]  strong as it was 200 years ago.
[26:00.080 --> 26:09.280]  But in the end, it's all about money and control over our political entities.
[26:09.280 --> 26:19.600]  And the union has kind of taken on a life of its own, and it no longer serves its original
[26:19.600 --> 26:20.760]  intended purpose.
[26:20.760 --> 26:25.520]  That's why so many of the states are talking about preemption.
[26:25.520 --> 26:28.580]  The feds are trying to get too deep in our business.
[26:28.580 --> 26:30.320]  So go ahead.
[26:30.320 --> 26:36.280]  Randy, I don't know if I could have said that any better.
[26:36.280 --> 26:42.680]  You are exactly right, and to prove that, all you have to do is go to the Texas Constitution.
[26:42.680 --> 26:50.160]  We have one, too, right here in Texas, and Article 1, Section 1 starts off, the Constitution
[26:50.160 --> 26:59.120]  starts off saying, Texas is a free and independent state, subject only to the Constitution of
[26:59.120 --> 27:01.920]  the United States, as the Constitution is written.
[27:01.920 --> 27:03.920]  Those are my words.
[27:03.920 --> 27:05.840]  And so you are exactly right.
[27:05.840 --> 27:12.160]  All of the states were originally intended to be independent nation states.
[27:12.160 --> 27:20.920]  The federal government was set up to work at our pleasure to do our bidding in the areas
[27:20.920 --> 27:26.600]  of defense and things of that nature, not to run our states, not to run our lives, and
[27:26.600 --> 27:28.920]  not to run our total businesses.
[27:28.920 --> 27:30.940]  So you are exactly right.
[27:30.940 --> 27:39.320]  We have gone from the original founding thought process of colonies and states binding together
[27:39.320 --> 27:45.360]  in an alliance, so to speak, to the federal government now runs all 50 states, and what's
[27:45.360 --> 27:49.680]  good for one is good for all, and that's just not the case.
[27:49.680 --> 27:57.800]  A lot of these people don't realize, you know, if the FBI comes into Wise County, Texas,
[27:57.800 --> 28:01.880]  before they can do anything in Wise County, Texas, they have to go to the sheriff of the
[28:01.880 --> 28:06.760]  county and ask his permission.
[28:06.760 --> 28:08.760]  If not, they don't need...
[28:08.760 --> 28:14.440]  Unfortunately, Randy, not only do the people not know that, there's a lot of sheriffs out
[28:14.440 --> 28:19.440]  there that don't know that, and that's one of the things that Sheriff Mack has been traveling
[28:19.440 --> 28:26.360]  the United States trying to teach these county sheriffs that fact, but you are exactly right.
[28:26.360 --> 28:32.440]  The county sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in every county, maybe only answerable
[28:32.440 --> 28:35.240]  to the county judge, but that would be it.
[28:35.240 --> 28:36.240]  Exactly.
[28:36.240 --> 28:45.440]  And in Texas, you know, a lot of states have a state policing agency, Texas does not.
[28:45.440 --> 28:46.440]  Right.
[28:46.440 --> 28:54.680]  I know people are thinking Texas Rangers, Texas Rangers, Texas Rangers are nothing.
[28:54.680 --> 28:58.560]  They're simply investigators.
[28:58.560 --> 29:03.040]  All of the power is separated within the counties.
[29:03.040 --> 29:12.880]  This union of counties we call Texas is similar to this union of states we call the United
[29:12.880 --> 29:15.520]  States.
[29:15.520 --> 29:23.080]  Power has been very carefully and very deliberately divvied up between the counties so that we
[29:23.080 --> 29:31.520]  don't have an overbearing accumulation of power in any one place.
[29:31.520 --> 29:38.600]  Power is also divvied up among the states, but that balance has been lost and our federal
[29:38.600 --> 29:44.360]  government is taking over far more power than it was intended.
[29:44.360 --> 29:48.400]  Hang on, we're going to go one more segment, then we're going to open the phone lines.
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[34:41.200 --> 34:46.200]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Group of Law Radio here with our special guest, Kerry Wise.
[34:46.200 --> 34:59.200]  And in thinking about going back to a sovereign republic of Texas and taking things back to
[34:59.200 --> 35:06.640]  how they used to be, what if we could get things back to how they used to be, what would
[35:06.640 --> 35:08.200]  that look like?
[35:08.200 --> 35:14.160]  Well, Randy, that's a question that we get everywhere we go, you know, taking it back
[35:14.160 --> 35:20.360]  to can we fix it, can we get back to where we were before all of the interferences that
[35:20.360 --> 35:22.160]  we see now, before all the things.
[35:22.160 --> 35:27.640]  So, you know, basically it boils down to try to change things.
[35:27.640 --> 35:30.360]  It boils down, you have three options.
[35:30.360 --> 35:34.560]  The number one option is what we call restoration.
[35:34.560 --> 35:41.440]  Restoration is taking it back whether you like the 50s or the 60s or basically taking
[35:41.440 --> 35:47.800]  it back to where before there were all the alphabet agencies, before the federal government
[35:47.800 --> 35:50.200]  tried to run all 50 states.
[35:50.200 --> 35:54.600]  And to do that, you know, people say, well, we just, you know, we need to elect people.
[35:54.600 --> 35:59.280]  We need to get people in there that we can elect that will change and get rid of all
[35:59.280 --> 36:00.280]  these.
[36:00.280 --> 36:03.920]  But unfortunately, here's the reality of the situation.
[36:03.920 --> 36:08.120]  And maybe this will help a lot of people in their journey.
[36:08.120 --> 36:12.640]  Every time, you know, we watch the tea parties here for quite some time now, bless their
[36:12.640 --> 36:13.640]  hearts.
[36:13.640 --> 36:14.640]  They've worked hard.
[36:14.640 --> 36:22.000]  They've vetted candidates to send them to Austin, to send them to Washington, D.C.
[36:22.000 --> 36:26.200]  And it takes, usually takes them an average of a week or two before.
[36:26.200 --> 36:33.000]  They seem to forget who they were and what they, the morals that they ran on, so to speak.
[36:33.000 --> 36:39.240]  And so to change things by electing people to go back and get rid of the things that
[36:39.240 --> 36:40.240]  are wrong right now.
[36:40.240 --> 36:47.560]  You know, we'd have to change the majority of a hundred senators, 49 of those states,
[36:47.560 --> 36:52.600]  by the way, or 98 of them, you and I don't have a say in, we would have to change the
[36:52.600 --> 36:58.640]  majority of the House of Representatives, the majority of them coming from other states
[36:58.640 --> 37:00.840]  you and I don't have a vote in.
[37:00.840 --> 37:08.240]  We would have to, you know, we're one heartbeat away from a justice, a Supreme Court, you
[37:08.240 --> 37:10.040]  know, going liberal on us.
[37:10.040 --> 37:16.360]  And we would have to probably replace a few of them and then start replacing federal judges
[37:16.360 --> 37:17.640]  that are appointed for life.
[37:17.640 --> 37:23.440]  You know, it's just an impossibility to go do it through the electoral process.
[37:23.440 --> 37:25.920]  It's just not going to work.
[37:25.920 --> 37:28.080]  We don't have time to do that.
[37:28.080 --> 37:34.960]  And so to go back and fix it, you can take a look at option number two, which is nullification.
[37:34.960 --> 37:37.400]  Everybody jumps up and hollers about the 10th Amendment.
[37:37.400 --> 37:38.400]  That's great.
[37:38.400 --> 37:39.720]  I'm glad that it's there.
[37:39.720 --> 37:43.280]  Unfortunately, Randy, nobody uses it.
[37:43.280 --> 37:48.880]  And the bad part about that is it is a, what I call a singular effective tool.
[37:48.880 --> 37:53.280]  In other words, if you have one law that you want to nullify coming out of the federal
[37:53.280 --> 37:55.560]  government, you can nullify it.
[37:55.560 --> 38:05.600]  Unfortunately, for the last 100 years, Randy, all we've got are laws and executive orders
[38:05.600 --> 38:10.920]  and mandates and agency directives and court release.
[38:10.920 --> 38:16.760]  It would probably take thousands of years to use the 10th Amendment and go back to get
[38:16.760 --> 38:22.420]  us back to where we are, you know, we're originally supposed to be.
[38:22.420 --> 38:25.200]  So the third option is to get out.
[38:25.200 --> 38:26.760]  It's called independence.
[38:26.760 --> 38:28.920]  It's called secession, if you will.
[38:28.920 --> 38:32.520]  Secession is a movement.
[38:32.520 --> 38:34.240]  You can secede from a room.
[38:34.240 --> 38:35.980]  You can secede from the car.
[38:35.980 --> 38:41.440]  You can secede from a party and you can secede from the union.
[38:41.440 --> 38:43.940]  And that's your third option.
[38:43.940 --> 38:45.520]  The first one's not going to work.
[38:45.520 --> 38:49.600]  The second one's not going to work and the third one's not going to work.
[38:49.600 --> 38:55.160]  Now there's a real dear friend of mine who wrote this, wrote a book here in Texas and
[38:55.160 --> 38:56.720]  he laid those three options out.
[38:56.720 --> 39:01.760]  But I'm going to lay a fourth one out to you, Randy, because there is a fourth option.
[39:01.760 --> 39:06.400]  We can, as my grandmother used to say when she fed us things we didn't like, choke it
[39:06.400 --> 39:07.480]  on down.
[39:07.480 --> 39:08.480]  And that's what we can do.
[39:08.480 --> 39:09.920]  We can sit on the couch.
[39:09.920 --> 39:14.280]  We can not get off our butts and we can just choke it on down what we're seeing happen
[39:14.280 --> 39:15.820]  to us right now.
[39:15.820 --> 39:24.880]  But to me and to I know millions of other Texans, that's not acceptable.
[39:24.880 --> 39:31.920]  And so if you study the first one of these, which is restoration, and find out that it
[39:31.920 --> 39:37.640]  really isn't capable of being done, and then you study the 10th Amendment and really realize
[39:37.640 --> 39:42.660]  that you can't fix it through that, that leaves us only one option because the fourth option
[39:42.660 --> 39:44.160]  is not acceptable.
[39:44.160 --> 39:53.960]  Yes, and the original calculation at the time it was made was appropriate.
[39:53.960 --> 39:57.280]  But that calculation is not necessarily viable anymore.
[39:57.280 --> 40:00.680]  And in the end, it's all about the money.
[40:00.680 --> 40:03.520]  The money in the end controls pretty much everything.
[40:03.520 --> 40:14.680]  And my problem with the union itself is there's a small group in the District of Columbia
[40:14.680 --> 40:24.920]  where the money tends to accumulate and the influence money buys tends to be most effective.
[40:24.920 --> 40:32.120]  We have a number of states that have issues that are in conflict with us.
[40:32.120 --> 40:37.560]  And to a large part, we wind up funding their issues.
[40:37.560 --> 40:47.680]  I think it's time for a new calculation, a new examination of our place in this union.
[40:47.680 --> 40:53.280]  And how valuable is this union to us?
[40:53.280 --> 40:59.680]  Texas seems, I do seminars all over the country and I tell everybody, Texas has by far the
[40:59.680 --> 41:05.360]  best corpus juris, body of law of any state in the country.
[41:05.360 --> 41:09.680]  We have the best highway department.
[41:09.680 --> 41:16.700]  Texas has a very well structured government.
[41:16.700 --> 41:19.920]  We don't necessarily need the federal government.
[41:19.920 --> 41:29.600]  I can't see Russia or Iran or anyone else coming over here and attacking Texas, not
[41:29.600 --> 41:32.600]  in this lifetime.
[41:32.600 --> 41:49.720]  So the idea of us needing the union for protection is no longer, it's not the necessity it was
[41:49.720 --> 41:52.080]  at one time.
[41:52.080 --> 41:58.000]  And even if we did separate from the union, we could still make contracts either with
[41:58.000 --> 42:08.120]  that union or in a union with other states that may separate from that primary union.
[42:08.120 --> 42:14.880]  So there are a lot of options here, but those would be options that a sovereign nation could
[42:14.880 --> 42:21.960]  use to enter into its own treaties and not have those treaties dictated to us by a small
[42:21.960 --> 42:26.080]  group with large amounts of funding.
[42:26.080 --> 42:29.720]  That's exactly right, Randy.
[42:29.720 --> 42:35.120]  Look, your statement to start this segment was correct.
[42:35.120 --> 42:40.200]  Money has totally corrupted not only Washington, D.C., there's a lot of it in Austin.
[42:40.200 --> 42:43.880]  I spent a tremendous amount of times in the hall under the pink dome.
[42:43.880 --> 42:48.360]  And I get as frustrated with them as I do the federal government.
[42:48.360 --> 42:54.840]  It's time that we got back to citizen politicians again who really care about the people, who
[42:54.840 --> 42:56.880]  really care about the future.
[42:56.880 --> 43:03.480]  But the situation you also talk about with Texas being able to stand alone is absolutely
[43:03.480 --> 43:04.480]  true.
[43:04.480 --> 43:13.520]  We send $350 billion with a B plus to Washington, D.C. every year and get a percentage of that
[43:13.520 --> 43:18.040]  quote back with a lot of apron strings attached to it.
[43:18.040 --> 43:25.720]  We can keep that here and be completely 100% self-sufficient and we can also make alliances
[43:25.720 --> 43:33.800]  with people that we want to make alliances with the 49 states, whether it's other countries,
[43:33.800 --> 43:39.920]  and not be limited as to what we can do as a nation as we are limited as to what we can
[43:39.920 --> 43:43.800]  do through the national government now.
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[46:20.120 --> 46:26.040]  If he could not wait any longer, would you purposefully die?
[46:26.040 --> 46:32.320]  He's such a sentimental soldier, a warrior of love, scuffling the keys to the keys.
[46:32.320 --> 46:38.160]  All he's taking is a misunderstanding, if somebody calls the police, why don't you
[46:38.160 --> 47:06.420]  call the police?
[47:06.420 --> 47:25.020]  We are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio on this, the 19th day of
[47:25.020 --> 47:32.380]  March 2015 and I was having way too much fun on the break and I didn't get to execute on
[47:32.380 --> 47:33.380]  the turn the phones on.
[47:33.380 --> 47:39.100]  So if you tried to call in and it got a busy signal, it really wasn't busy.
[47:39.100 --> 47:45.020]  Okay, I made a mistake first time and you got to be there to see it.
[47:45.020 --> 47:46.020]  Okay.
[47:46.020 --> 47:58.500]  And while we were on the break, we were discussing the viability of Texas as a separate nation.
[47:58.500 --> 48:06.580]  And when I first spoke to the, of the secession movement, you know, one of the things that
[48:06.580 --> 48:10.700]  we, when we turned the phones on, we were concerned that we might get callers from other
[48:10.700 --> 48:18.020]  states being concerned that Texas is going to break up their union.
[48:18.020 --> 48:29.980]  So Kerry, I'd like you to address what other states think about breaking up this union.
[48:29.980 --> 48:40.060]  Well interestingly enough, Randy, there are, that I am aware of anyway, there are 34 of
[48:40.060 --> 48:46.300]  the states in the union that have active secessionist programs going on.
[48:46.300 --> 48:53.380]  There are about 18 of them that I'm aware of that are very active and, and what I would
[48:53.380 --> 49:01.740]  consider large movements in, you know, they go from Hawaii to Alaska, to Florida, to Vermont,
[49:01.740 --> 49:04.980]  to Louisiana, it's Oklahoma.
[49:04.980 --> 49:05.980]  It's quite interesting.
[49:05.980 --> 49:11.780]  Now their political power ranges from everything to A to Z at this point.
[49:11.780 --> 49:18.220]  But that all, that all is to come also, the same as it here, as it is here in Texas.
[49:18.220 --> 49:23.940]  So to think that Texas is standing alone and we're a bunch of arrogant old cowboys who,
[49:23.940 --> 49:27.860]  who think we can just do it better by ourselves, that's not the case.
[49:27.860 --> 49:32.460]  It is, it is a trend that's been running, and let me share this with you.
[49:32.460 --> 49:37.820]  It's a trend that's been running worldwide since the end of World War II.
[49:37.820 --> 49:44.340]  You know, at the end of World War II, Randy, there were approximately 60 independent countries
[49:44.340 --> 49:49.700]  in the world and today there's around 200.
[49:49.700 --> 49:52.500]  So the trend has been towards independence.
[49:52.500 --> 49:58.220]  The trend has been toward getting away from a, a centralized government that's got its
[49:58.220 --> 50:03.060]  boot on your neck.
[50:03.060 --> 50:09.540]  And then we have Europe trying to gather all those back together in the Eurozone.
[50:09.540 --> 50:16.420]  Yeah, it looks like Russia wants to put the old Soviet Union back together and, and you
[50:16.420 --> 50:21.420]  know, those people, it's going to be interesting to watch because those people that broke out
[50:21.420 --> 50:26.380]  of the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtain to become independent nations have had that taste
[50:26.380 --> 50:27.380]  of freedom.
[50:27.380 --> 50:29.260]  They have had that taste of liberty.
[50:29.260 --> 50:34.220]  They have had that taste of self-government and it'll be interesting to see, interesting
[50:34.220 --> 50:39.020]  to see what type of resistance there's going to be.
[50:39.020 --> 50:44.780]  Unfortunately, some of it may be violent, I hope that's not the case because so much
[50:44.780 --> 50:50.420]  of it since World War II has taken place without violence, but when you have a, again, you've
[50:50.420 --> 50:56.620]  got a rogue country like, like Russia and you know, they want to, they want to militarily
[50:56.620 --> 51:00.980]  move, that's a, that's a tough situation.
[51:00.980 --> 51:09.180]  Yes and in the United States, I don't see it turn into that, but what you mentioned
[51:09.180 --> 51:17.700]  about these countries that got a taste of freedom, you know, I go down to Austin, I
[51:17.700 --> 51:23.380]  have someone who wants me to go down Tuesday and talk to a House subcommittee.
[51:23.380 --> 51:28.780]  I go to Austin and I can talk to my legislators and they listened.
[51:28.780 --> 51:36.580]  You stand before a subcommittee and it doesn't have 5,000 people in it.
[51:36.580 --> 51:41.700]  It has 100, 150.
[51:41.700 --> 51:47.820]  You can actually feel like you can have an effect.
[51:47.820 --> 51:55.140]  Now most people aren't politically motivated, so they go about their lives, but a few people
[51:55.140 --> 52:00.420]  are motivated and they get down here and they do things, but when you come down to the Texas
[52:00.420 --> 52:04.380]  legislature, you can talk to your legislators.
[52:04.380 --> 52:13.860]  You can go before a subcommittee and it's not so huge that your legislators, you don't
[52:13.860 --> 52:16.460]  disappear into the maze.
[52:16.460 --> 52:19.020]  We can have more influence over our local government.
[52:19.020 --> 52:22.020]  We like that.
[52:22.020 --> 52:31.700]  We, okay and I have a caller with, that's on topic, he has limited time, so I'm going
[52:31.700 --> 52:33.980]  to bring him in right away.
[52:33.980 --> 52:35.980]  Steve Washington.
[52:35.980 --> 52:39.660]  Hi, Randy.
[52:39.660 --> 52:42.780]  You have a comment or a question?
[52:42.780 --> 52:55.220]  Well, I have a comment on the whole situation and I think that kind of goes out of the picture.
[52:55.220 --> 53:03.140]  When the Civil War started, after the end of it, I mean, we never had any, we never
[53:03.140 --> 53:06.140]  went back to any government.
[53:06.140 --> 53:13.500]  I looked at, I've got a whole copy of the US, what do you call them, the public statutes
[53:13.500 --> 53:20.300]  at large and reading through them, I know they're long, but I read through them, all
[53:20.300 --> 53:31.100]  the prefaces and it shows we've had several different governments and the latest one that
[53:31.100 --> 53:35.500]  we've had is all the system of trust.
[53:35.500 --> 53:39.260]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[53:39.260 --> 53:49.620]  When you used the term government, how are you defining different governments?
[53:49.620 --> 54:08.420]  Well, I noticed that we had a continental Congress and then we had a constitutional
[54:08.420 --> 54:15.300]  government and reading through all of that, I noticed it didn't go very well.
[54:15.300 --> 54:21.020]  The states were always at odds with each other and they never really got along.
[54:21.020 --> 54:25.180]  As a matter of fact, they never got along as the colonies.
[54:25.180 --> 54:31.300]  Roger Williams was blockaded, he was kicked out of Boston and blockaded, Rhode Island
[54:31.300 --> 54:37.860]  was blockaded and he was forced to join the union and at that point, we didn't have all
[54:37.860 --> 54:44.620]  of the colonies in the union and some of them weren't even represented.
[54:44.620 --> 54:55.980]  So we kind of pushed things along and then I noticed that the last date of any constitutional
[54:55.980 --> 55:06.780]  government was about 1861 in the spring and then I read through and it came up-
[55:06.780 --> 55:10.820]  Wait a minute, the last, I didn't understand that last statement.
[55:10.820 --> 55:15.900]  The last state with a constitutional government in 1861, what state was that?
[55:15.900 --> 55:27.500]  Well, no, the last constitutional government that we had was in 1861, I'm talking about
[55:27.500 --> 55:29.500]  on the federal government.
[55:29.500 --> 55:35.300]  Okay, so I'm trying to understand by different governments, what you're saying is there
[55:35.300 --> 55:46.140]  are points in history where the nature of the federal union changed to the point that
[55:46.140 --> 55:52.540]  it was essentially operating from a different paradigm, am I understanding this right?
[55:52.540 --> 56:03.540]  Well, we don't have, well, maybe we still do have what Lincoln called these United States,
[56:03.540 --> 56:09.460]  which he was just talking about, the 13 states.
[56:09.460 --> 56:18.420]  And you kind of see this, you look at this and you see the symbolism and heraldry everywhere.
[56:18.420 --> 56:28.420]  Like you look at the FBI symbol that has 13 stars on it and the way they act inside of
[56:28.420 --> 56:37.420]  the Eastern states and outside of the Eastern states today is totally different between
[56:37.420 --> 56:44.140]  the two of them and it's all, it's just a long-
[56:44.140 --> 56:49.940]  Okay, I'm not understanding part of that, Eastern states and Western states, where is
[56:49.940 --> 56:51.860]  the line between the two?
[56:51.860 --> 57:00.260]  Well, the line is between the union states and outside of the union states and I had
[57:00.260 --> 57:08.620]  a talk with Frank Murkowski about that and I said, you know, I noticed the court, we
[57:08.620 --> 57:10.420]  don't even have any court.
[57:10.420 --> 57:16.500]  What we have is we have equity court and I said, look, we don't even have any judicial
[57:16.500 --> 57:17.500]  courts.
[57:17.500 --> 57:19.900]  He says, nobody ever said there was judicial court.
[57:19.900 --> 57:25.100]  He says, they're just a system of trust that was set up.
[57:25.100 --> 57:32.460]  And my take on that is reading through the history is that after, well, during and after
[57:32.460 --> 57:36.940]  the war, there were countries that wanted to divide up the U.S.
[57:36.940 --> 57:42.140]  Okay, hold on, hold on, you're confusing me with pronouns.
[57:42.140 --> 57:46.060]  During and after the war, are you talking about the civil war?
[57:46.060 --> 57:47.060]  The civil war.
[57:47.060 --> 57:48.060]  Okay.
[57:48.060 --> 57:53.780]  I noticed that the stuff never really recovered from the civil war.
[57:53.780 --> 57:59.780]  Okay, hang on, we're about to go to our top of the hour break.
[57:59.780 --> 58:07.700]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of our radio, our call in number 512-646-1984.
[58:07.700 --> 58:10.020]  We'll keep the phone lines open all night.
[58:10.020 --> 58:14.380]  This is our top of the hour break, so it's a little extra long.
[58:14.380 --> 58:24.380]  You have time to go to our Logos radio network and look at our sponsors there and maybe patronize
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[01:04:21.740 --> 01:04:22.740]  We are back.
[01:04:22.740 --> 01:04:27.720]  Randy Felton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're starting our second hour.
[01:04:27.720 --> 01:04:30.740]  We are talking to Steve in Washington.
[01:04:30.740 --> 01:04:38.140]  Okay, Steve, I'm not sure where you're going.
[01:04:38.140 --> 01:04:42.480]  We have, we've had problems with the government, yes.
[01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:43.480]  And I agree with that.
[01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:52.140]  But overall, we're better off than in this day than we were 50 years ago.
[01:04:52.140 --> 01:04:56.420]  And 50 years ago, they were better off than they were 50 years before that.
[01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:57.420]  Generally.
[01:04:57.420 --> 01:04:58.420]  It's true.
[01:04:58.420 --> 01:05:06.060]  Yeah, that's certainly, yeah, but what I'm saying is, but I'd like to say that I don't
[01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:11.460]  believe that what we have now is any more corrupt than our original government.
[01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:15.540]  There's always corruption and it's no matter where you go, you know.
[01:05:15.540 --> 01:05:22.460]  Now you're speaking my language that I'd really like to hear that because we have people come
[01:05:22.460 --> 01:05:26.180]  on and say, oh, the sky's falling, the sky's falling.
[01:05:26.180 --> 01:05:27.620]  Humans are corrupt.
[01:05:27.620 --> 01:05:35.860]  If God created man, he made us terribly flawed and we'll always have to fight these issues.
[01:05:35.860 --> 01:05:42.820]  So I appreciate that you take that position and understand this is not a fight we're going
[01:05:42.820 --> 01:05:44.620]  to win.
[01:05:44.620 --> 01:05:45.620]  It's a fight.
[01:05:45.620 --> 01:05:46.620]  So in the Bible.
[01:05:46.620 --> 01:05:54.100]  Yeah, we just have to, humans are humans and every human being out here has a different
[01:05:54.100 --> 01:05:59.060]  purpose, a different life to live.
[01:05:59.060 --> 01:06:01.060]  Sometimes they coincide with us.
[01:06:01.060 --> 01:06:02.660]  Sometimes they conflict with us.
[01:06:02.660 --> 01:06:04.460]  It is that way now.
[01:06:04.460 --> 01:06:07.300]  It's always been that way and it always will be that way.
[01:06:07.300 --> 01:06:15.460]  So we, I guess the real point is, is we always have to be ever diligent and looking at separating
[01:06:15.460 --> 01:06:23.620]  from the state of Texas from the union is being diligent.
[01:06:23.620 --> 01:06:28.740]  It may have been right at one time and when Texas joined the union, it was the right thing
[01:06:28.740 --> 01:06:30.580]  to do.
[01:06:30.580 --> 01:06:35.940]  But things move along, things change, some things get better, some things get worse,
[01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:38.340]  just like you were talking about.
[01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:41.260]  Texas was annexed.
[01:06:41.260 --> 01:06:50.540]  So what's your opinion about either Texas, essentially about the union as it now exists,
[01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:55.060]  breaking up and possibly reforming in a different structure?
[01:06:55.060 --> 01:07:04.860]  Well, we have something that we never had before now in the last 10 years, maybe 20
[01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:13.500]  years and the late in my generation and that's the internet and that allows, you know, where
[01:07:13.500 --> 01:07:21.580]  before it was only a handful of people that represented themselves and carried out business
[01:07:21.580 --> 01:07:29.300]  for themselves and they made all the rules for us, kind of like we're a third world country.
[01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:39.660]  We have the internet where we can actually have everyone have representation and participate
[01:07:39.660 --> 01:07:46.020]  in the government where before you were lucky to get a newspaper or I mean anything you
[01:07:46.020 --> 01:07:52.780]  ever saw like in my parents generation, whatever they heard was from FDR on the radio at the
[01:07:52.780 --> 01:07:57.820]  fireside chat and they didn't know anything other than that.
[01:07:57.820 --> 01:08:08.820]  Yeah, they didn't know that one of the Bush brothers, George Bush's father and his uncle,
[01:08:08.820 --> 01:08:16.300]  that one was selling weapons to the Axis nation, the other was selling weapons to the allies.
[01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:17.860]  They never heard that part.
[01:08:17.860 --> 01:08:23.420]  Well, yeah, you know, if you look that up on the internet, you'll be able to see the
[01:08:23.420 --> 01:08:33.940]  history but also there were 553 American corporations that sold all of, well Nazi Germany, they
[01:08:33.940 --> 01:08:40.620]  were a parade nation, all they did was have parades but all of a sudden American corporations
[01:08:40.620 --> 01:08:43.060]  began to give them what they needed.
[01:08:43.060 --> 01:08:50.380]  They needed fuel for bombers, they didn't have that so they got fuels, they needed mercury,
[01:08:50.380 --> 01:08:58.260]  they needed like with General Motors, General Von Schell, Adolf Von Schell said if it wasn't
[01:08:58.260 --> 01:09:03.060]  for General Motors, we never could have waged war and they were making a thousand trucks
[01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:05.820]  a week for them, General Motors.
[01:09:05.820 --> 01:09:12.620]  This is the kind of thing that has changed everything and I'm pleased that you recognize
[01:09:12.620 --> 01:09:16.380]  that and I'm hoping more people begin to recognize that.
[01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:22.700]  I put a bit out on the internet a while back and for some programming work and got a response
[01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:30.300]  from a kid in Mongolia, 26 year old kid in Mongolia and I talked to him for a while and
[01:09:30.300 --> 01:09:40.380]  he was complaining that the schools in Mongolia are dumbing down the curriculum and I said
[01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:49.820]  say what, you sound like the kid across the street and almost everything that was an issue
[01:09:49.820 --> 01:09:59.380]  for him was exactly what was an issue for my son who was about the same age at the time.
[01:09:59.380 --> 01:10:05.540]  Our children are able to communicate with people all over the world, they get on these
[01:10:05.540 --> 01:10:13.620]  computer games and play games with kids from everywhere on earth, our government is not
[01:10:13.620 --> 01:10:20.620]  going to be able to go to these kids and say that these guys are dirty rotten commies and
[01:10:20.620 --> 01:10:25.220]  they want to come over here and murder us all because our kids are going to say you
[01:10:25.220 --> 01:10:33.420]  kidding me, I play with, watch his name over here in Kiev every other day and he's just
[01:10:33.420 --> 01:10:45.300]  like me and you're right, we are experiencing a whole different dynamic, the paradigm is
[01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:52.060]  totally different than it was and all of us need to back up, take all of these long held
[01:10:52.060 --> 01:10:58.140]  notions and hold them up to the light and take a close look at them.
[01:10:58.140 --> 01:11:03.140]  If I'm reading what you're saying right, is that where you were going?
[01:11:03.140 --> 01:11:12.420]  Yeah, we were responsible for the Nazi and people, the only time people stopped talking
[01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:18.620]  about it was when the troops had to go overseas and fight, people had to hush up about it
[01:11:18.620 --> 01:11:26.340]  because out of respect for those who were killed over there and I remember a lot of
[01:11:26.340 --> 01:11:35.140]  that from my parents and from my grandfather and the problem that we have today is, one
[01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:41.340]  thing that we have is good is we regulate commerce, you know, Erie Railroad was a double
[01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:52.700]  edged sword, we regulate commerce, we should not let people sell, we should not let corporations
[01:11:52.700 --> 01:12:02.700]  sell items to countries that plan to use them for harm and that's good.
[01:12:02.700 --> 01:12:06.140]  On the other hand, they treat us like corporations.
[01:12:06.140 --> 01:12:14.460]  Okay, when you say regulate commerce, you're talking about regulating international commerce.
[01:12:14.460 --> 01:12:19.020]  Well, did I read that right?
[01:12:19.020 --> 01:12:26.540]  Well, I'm saying that they're regulating commerce in the states as well and that they
[01:12:26.540 --> 01:12:34.060]  say they have exclusive jurisdiction over commerce within the state and the problem
[01:12:34.060 --> 01:12:46.980]  actually, the problem I've had with the government in this area is they don't say they have authority
[01:12:46.980 --> 01:12:53.060]  within the states but in order to regulate what they want to, they come up with these
[01:12:53.060 --> 01:13:03.660]  really, really stupid explanations like when the federal government went into these illegal
[01:13:03.660 --> 01:13:13.300]  marijuana places in California when it first started and they claimed that these people
[01:13:13.300 --> 01:13:18.180]  could come from other states to this state and buy marijuana and take it to the other
[01:13:18.180 --> 01:13:23.420]  states and that would affect the price of marijuana in the other states so therefore
[01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:28.860]  it affected national interstate commerce.
[01:13:28.860 --> 01:13:36.460]  Remind the fact that the guys selling it in other states were drug dealers and they could
[01:13:36.460 --> 01:13:39.900]  say, oh, that's still commerce so we can regulate it.
[01:13:39.900 --> 01:13:43.020]  Well, they do this with guns.
[01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:50.700]  They reclassify, they classify them as firearm which really means any kind of weapon that
[01:13:50.700 --> 01:13:54.060]  can be silenced or is silenced and-
[01:13:54.060 --> 01:13:55.060]  No, it doesn't.
[01:13:55.060 --> 01:14:01.860]  The firearm has a very specific definition and it does not include handguns.
[01:14:01.860 --> 01:14:05.500]  A handgun is not a firearm under the federal definition.
[01:14:05.500 --> 01:14:13.300]  Right, but I did read the original bill and that's what it says but they've grown off
[01:14:13.300 --> 01:14:21.740]  of that bill and added regulations to it but I can see, this is what they do with everything
[01:14:21.740 --> 01:14:26.820]  and so when I go to a gun store, I'm considered a commercial-
[01:14:26.820 --> 01:14:28.540]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on.
[01:14:28.540 --> 01:14:35.380]  When I'm driving my auto and the police pull up, they just assume that-
[01:14:35.380 --> 01:14:36.380]  Wait a minute, Steve.
[01:14:36.380 --> 01:14:37.380]  Hold on.
[01:14:37.380 --> 01:14:41.100]  You're going all over the place.
[01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:43.140]  How does this relate to sovereignty?
[01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:52.700]  How does this relate to Texas or other states separating from the union?
[01:14:52.700 --> 01:14:53.700]  I'm not being difficult.
[01:14:53.700 --> 01:14:54.700]  We just don't want to get too far afield.
[01:14:54.700 --> 01:15:00.260]  We've got other callers and we want to kind of stay on a topic.
[01:15:00.260 --> 01:15:08.140]  They're just saying that they're just using commerce as a way to reach in to the state
[01:15:08.140 --> 01:15:14.500]  and control and regulate everything right down to the private person.
[01:15:14.500 --> 01:15:17.900]  I think you're right about commerce.
[01:15:17.900 --> 01:15:24.980]  That's the place where the most preemption is going on and it's probably one of the best
[01:15:24.980 --> 01:15:30.420]  reasons that we should succeed but Steve, I'm sorry, I do really need to move on.
[01:15:30.420 --> 01:15:34.740]  We have other callers.
[01:15:34.740 --> 01:15:42.100]  Was there something in particular you wanted to say instead of just a general comment about
[01:15:42.100 --> 01:15:45.500]  the state of the nation?
[01:15:45.500 --> 01:15:52.780]  Well if you're going to separate from the union or be a sovereign nation, you're going
[01:15:52.780 --> 01:16:01.380]  to have to separate the private individual from the commercial aspect even though-
[01:16:01.380 --> 01:16:05.260]  Okay, that's a whole different argument and you need to go to talk to the Amish.
[01:16:05.260 --> 01:16:10.860]  They can explain how to do that but that would be how each of the governments structure themselves
[01:16:10.860 --> 01:16:11.860]  once they separate.
[01:16:11.860 --> 01:16:18.100]  We're about to run out of time here and I do need to move on.
[01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:20.380]  Thank you for calling, Steve.
[01:16:20.380 --> 01:16:23.020]  Steve from Texas, I'm sorry to hold you up this long.
[01:16:23.020 --> 01:16:24.020]  We're about to go to break.
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[01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:13.020]  Okay, we are back.
[01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:15.020]  Graham Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of our radio.
[01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:21.020]  We're here with our special guest, Kerry Wise, and we're gonna go to Stephen in Texas.
[01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:25.020]  Hello Stephen, what do you have for us today?
[01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:30.020]  Yes, and I hope everybody's doing good tonight.
[01:20:30.020 --> 01:20:32.020]  Again, a topic dear to my heart.
[01:20:32.020 --> 01:20:35.020]  I'm glad you guys are touching on it.
[01:20:35.020 --> 01:20:43.020]  As I ventured to do some research for myself in days of old, not too long ago that is actually,
[01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:51.020]  but anyway, and you guys have taught me so much on this, on this network,
[01:20:51.020 --> 01:20:56.020]  which is let's actually go read what things actually say.
[01:20:56.020 --> 01:21:04.020]  So as I went to read what things actually say, I think we can all agree that the acting constitution
[01:21:04.020 --> 01:21:15.020]  that everybody acts under today in Texas clearly states in Article 1 that we are a republic.
[01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:21.020]  The people stand vested in a republic conformed government, and they also clearly state,
[01:21:21.020 --> 01:21:26.020]  which I believe the federal government had more than a hundred years to say otherwise
[01:21:26.020 --> 01:21:34.020]  if they wanted to, that we are a sovereign state subject only to the United States Constitution,
[01:21:34.020 --> 01:21:39.020]  and anybody who knows much about that would understand that it doesn't interfere with states
[01:21:39.020 --> 01:21:48.020]  in what they do, only to the effect of commercial activity between the states and outside of them.
[01:21:48.020 --> 01:21:53.020]  So it sounds to me like I feel pretty comfortable saying, yeah, we're still a republic.
[01:21:53.020 --> 01:21:56.020]  I think we're doing good. I think we're all right.
[01:21:56.020 --> 01:22:01.020]  Now we have that other little administrative thing going on that we all know of,
[01:22:01.020 --> 01:22:08.020]  but as far as what the people start standing vested in, I'd say firmly on the contrary,
[01:22:08.020 --> 01:22:15.020]  and a little bit more research than I said, well, there's more evidence than that.
[01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:21.020]  So we look around, and if the capital of Texas would have started being built in, I believe, 1881,
[01:22:21.020 --> 01:22:26.020]  the 1880s, we'll just say for granted since I don't have the number exactly in front.
[01:22:26.020 --> 01:22:30.020]  I think the capital was originally in Houston.
[01:22:30.020 --> 01:22:34.020]  No, no, no, not the current one. We'll go with the current one.
[01:22:34.020 --> 01:22:38.020]  And the reason I'm going to go with the current one is the following, that in the 1880s,
[01:22:38.020 --> 01:22:46.020]  if you look at the seal, which there's plenty of pictures of out there on state websites and other sources,
[01:22:46.020 --> 01:22:53.020]  the words in the seal was the state of Texas, fairly state, Republic of Texas.
[01:22:53.020 --> 01:22:58.020]  Wow, that's amazing. There it is again, right there smacking in the face.
[01:22:58.020 --> 01:23:04.020]  If you walk into the rotunda in the capitol building, there in the floor is the emblem,
[01:23:04.020 --> 01:23:07.020]  and it clearly says the Republic of Texas.
[01:23:07.020 --> 01:23:13.020]  That is clear. It is there, and you've got pictures of it all lined, and then it's us.
[01:23:13.020 --> 01:23:16.020]  So we have that dual thing.
[01:23:16.020 --> 01:23:21.020]  Well, we all know that there's an administrative state that hangs over to do business for the state,
[01:23:21.020 --> 01:23:28.020]  and that's fine. That's the same as you and I have a commercial capacity, and we have a private capacity.
[01:23:28.020 --> 01:23:36.020]  Okay, fine. If I go back even further, I was doing some research in Gammel's laws of Texas,
[01:23:36.020 --> 01:23:44.020]  which thanks to you and Randy, I actually knew it. I found out it existed. Wow, I didn't even know that existed,
[01:23:44.020 --> 01:23:51.020]  where you can see all your evidence of things through the 1800s and on for the state,
[01:23:51.020 --> 01:23:57.020]  and I believe it's done. Again, I don't have my copy in front of me, but if we talk about this,
[01:23:57.020 --> 01:24:08.020]  it's a national defense, okay? So in 1869, three years, roughly probably two and a half, excuse me,
[01:24:08.020 --> 01:24:15.020]  after so-called military accidents in the state of Texas, as we would call it,
[01:24:15.020 --> 01:24:23.020]  the state of Texas legislature gathered and stated the following.
[01:24:23.020 --> 01:24:29.020]  They sent there, as all states did, they sent their representatives to the federal government
[01:24:29.020 --> 01:24:33.020]  to represent the state, and that time, of course, they worked for the state.
[01:24:33.020 --> 01:24:40.020]  Anyway, it clearly stated that you're going up here, and you have instruction from us
[01:24:40.020 --> 01:24:46.020]  that you're going to tell them that they're going to send troops down here and the army down here
[01:24:46.020 --> 01:24:53.020]  to defend our border from the Mexican army. Again, at that time, it was causing havoc
[01:24:53.020 --> 01:25:00.020]  down around the river, or we're going to send you a bill, federal government,
[01:25:00.020 --> 01:25:07.020]  for not doing your job. Otherwise, the Republic of Texas would have had no reason
[01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:16.020]  to have given up, and forgive me for the term, but it's for the national defense.
[01:25:16.020 --> 01:25:20.020]  No, we would have given, we'd not have given up our state defense for the national defense.
[01:25:20.020 --> 01:25:25.020]  In other words, that was turned over, obviously, when we joined the media there.
[01:25:25.020 --> 01:25:28.020]  That was part of the contract.
[01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:34.020]  That's correct. That was part of the contract when we came on board, the national borders of yours.
[01:25:34.020 --> 01:25:38.020]  Okay, you got it, but that's part of the contract, exactly.
[01:25:38.020 --> 01:25:44.020]  So, while everybody argues in the Patriot community about military rule,
[01:25:44.020 --> 01:25:46.020]  it's all, nothing's ever changed since then.
[01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:50.020]  Well, I don't debate that we were under military rule for a couple of years,
[01:25:50.020 --> 01:25:53.020]  but it's a bunch of hooey to think that we're doing it right now.
[01:25:53.020 --> 01:25:59.020]  Say, all right, so, no, it was all turned back over to the states, and they left.
[01:25:59.020 --> 01:26:04.020]  Fact is, I'm not too, if my history serves me correctly, pretty much kicked them out.
[01:26:04.020 --> 01:26:07.020]  We redid our Constitution a couple of times after that.
[01:26:07.020 --> 01:26:11.020]  So, they've had plenty of time to come down here and tell us that we're not sovereign anymore,
[01:26:11.020 --> 01:26:14.020]  but I haven't seen it happen.
[01:26:14.020 --> 01:26:23.020]  And if we go back a little bit further than that, I was more than amazed that when I went to the December,
[01:26:23.020 --> 01:26:28.020]  oh boy, December, it was almost Christmas that year, 1845,
[01:26:28.020 --> 01:26:34.020]  if you read the state U.S. statutes at large, where they annexed Texas at that time,
[01:26:34.020 --> 01:26:37.020]  right, wrong, or indifferent, I'm not even going down that,
[01:26:37.020 --> 01:26:43.020]  I'm not even going down that line as to whether that's what people actually wanted or whatever.
[01:26:43.020 --> 01:26:47.020]  But if you read it, it clearly states two things happened.
[01:26:47.020 --> 01:26:54.020]  It says that Texas joins the Capital P Confederacy and the Capital Union,
[01:26:54.020 --> 01:26:59.020]  but on equal footing with the original 13 colonies.
[01:26:59.020 --> 01:27:03.020]  Well, 1845, what Confederacy are they talking about?
[01:27:03.020 --> 01:27:08.020]  Oh, holy cow, they're talking about the United States of America,
[01:27:08.020 --> 01:27:12.020]  which is titled as Articles of Confederation.
[01:27:12.020 --> 01:27:19.020]  So, man, it was a heck of a history list, but the greatest thing of all is they beat that out of our education.
[01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:26.020]  I've got a small collection, as I can find them, of old Texas civics.
[01:27:26.020 --> 01:27:29.020]  Wait a minute, let me understand where you're going.
[01:27:29.020 --> 01:27:30.020]  Sure.
[01:27:30.020 --> 01:27:35.020]  Are you saying that, are you making the argument about the Articles of the Confederation
[01:27:35.020 --> 01:27:48.020]  never having been revoked or they weren't actually replaced by the Constitution, but just augmented?
[01:27:48.020 --> 01:27:51.020]  I'm not arguing any of that.
[01:27:51.020 --> 01:27:52.020]  Oh, okay, okay.
[01:27:52.020 --> 01:27:56.020]  The reason I said that is there are people out there saying that the Articles of the Confederation
[01:27:56.020 --> 01:27:58.020]  are still law in the United States.
[01:27:58.020 --> 01:28:00.020]  So that's not where you're going.
[01:28:00.020 --> 01:28:03.020]  Well, they're organic law and they're still at the front of the statutes.
[01:28:03.020 --> 01:28:05.020]  Of course they are.
[01:28:05.020 --> 01:28:06.020]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[01:28:06.020 --> 01:28:09.020]  I've always had a problem with organic law.
[01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:10.020]  Okay.
[01:28:10.020 --> 01:28:15.020]  The notions, that's a contradiction of terms.
[01:28:15.020 --> 01:28:19.020]  There's nothing organic about law.
[01:28:19.020 --> 01:28:26.020]  Law is all contractual and it's all artificial.
[01:28:26.020 --> 01:28:28.020]  There is no organic law.
[01:28:28.020 --> 01:28:31.020]  If there is, I can't find it.
[01:28:31.020 --> 01:28:36.020]  So when you say organic law, what are you referring to?
[01:28:36.020 --> 01:28:45.020]  I'm referring to the words that are used in the United States statutes at large that say that it is organic law for the United States.
[01:28:45.020 --> 01:28:50.020]  The United States obviously being formed in, excuse me, 12 years.
[01:28:50.020 --> 01:28:51.020]  Okay, hold on.
[01:28:51.020 --> 01:28:55.020]  You said it says it is organic law for the United States.
[01:28:55.020 --> 01:28:59.020]  It, what does that it refer to?
[01:28:59.020 --> 01:29:01.020]  The United States.
[01:29:01.020 --> 01:29:08.020]  Well, no, when it says it is organic law for the United States, it can't be the United States.
[01:29:08.020 --> 01:29:11.020]  That would be...
[01:29:11.020 --> 01:29:12.020]  Oh, excuse me.
[01:29:12.020 --> 01:29:13.020]  You're right.
[01:29:13.020 --> 01:29:14.020]  You're right.
[01:29:14.020 --> 01:29:15.020]  I used too many pronouns.
[01:29:15.020 --> 01:29:16.020]  I know how you pronounce that.
[01:29:16.020 --> 01:29:17.020]  My apologies.
[01:29:17.020 --> 01:29:19.020]  I hate pronouns.
[01:29:19.020 --> 01:29:22.020]  They lack referential index.
[01:29:22.020 --> 01:29:36.020]  I understand the blitz, though, sir. So the four things that it references as organic laws in U.S. statutes at large are the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, the Northwestern Lord and His Sisters, and you gotta help me.
[01:29:36.020 --> 01:29:37.020]  I can't remember number four.
[01:29:37.020 --> 01:29:38.020]  Okay.
[01:29:38.020 --> 01:29:39.020]  Hang on.
[01:29:39.020 --> 01:29:40.020]  Hang on.
[01:29:40.020 --> 01:29:41.020]  We're about to go to break.
[01:29:41.020 --> 01:29:47.020]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, our call-in number, 512-646-1984.
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[01:34:11.020 --> 01:34:16.020]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Wheel of Law Radio, here with our special guest, Kerry Wise.
[01:34:16.020 --> 01:34:19.020]  And we're talking to Steven in Texas.
[01:34:19.020 --> 01:34:24.020]  And Steven, I've kind of lost track of where we were, where we were going.
[01:34:24.020 --> 01:34:38.020]  What is your opinion on secession, and more than just theoretically, I'm kind of an engineer type of guy.
[01:34:38.020 --> 01:34:43.020]  Engineer nuts and bolts, I don't do theory well.
[01:34:43.020 --> 01:34:58.020]  Technically, how could we, in your opinion, how could we separate the state of Texas from the Union and come up with a better outcome?
[01:34:58.020 --> 01:35:01.020]  No problem.
[01:35:01.020 --> 01:35:13.020]  I would say everything that we do right now with the federal government is by contract.
[01:35:13.020 --> 01:35:18.020]  And we usually participate and take certain funds and do such.
[01:35:18.020 --> 01:35:29.020]  We tend to render certain things, and monetarily, as he said earlier, we render certain portions of money in order to get certain favors back.
[01:35:29.020 --> 01:35:37.020]  So, it's very easily stated that you should stop participating.
[01:35:37.020 --> 01:35:41.020]  I think our legislators did stop, but we already do on some facts.
[01:35:41.020 --> 01:35:50.020]  You may know better than me on how many facets of things that we currently don't participate in with the federal government.
[01:35:50.020 --> 01:35:59.020]  Because, again, everybody's known for spreading the facts, certain portions of the new health care bill that we do not participate in.
[01:35:59.020 --> 01:36:04.020]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:36:04.020 --> 01:36:07.020]  You're being way too vague for me.
[01:36:07.020 --> 01:36:12.020]  Certain things we participate in, we shouldn't.
[01:36:12.020 --> 01:36:15.020]  Can you be more specific?
[01:36:15.020 --> 01:36:20.020]  Yes, sir. As I hear you go, the state is saved for health care.
[01:36:20.020 --> 01:36:22.020]  We do not do that in the state.
[01:36:22.020 --> 01:36:29.020]  That is a provision in the latest health care bill that certain states do when things are dying.
[01:36:29.020 --> 01:36:32.020]  Yeah, there was a big deal over that one.
[01:36:32.020 --> 01:36:34.020]  That's right.
[01:36:34.020 --> 01:36:40.020]  And we also, okay, well, here's another one that we refuse to do.
[01:36:40.020 --> 01:36:43.020]  We do not have to do it.
[01:36:43.020 --> 01:36:45.020]  Wait, hold on.
[01:36:45.020 --> 01:37:04.020]  I would like to get Kerry's opinion on the health care, on Obamacare and how we could give people confidence in the health care system if we did separate from the federal government.
[01:37:04.020 --> 01:37:07.020]  Kerry, can you comment on that?
[01:37:07.020 --> 01:37:08.020]  Yeah, I'd be glad to comment on that.
[01:37:08.020 --> 01:37:23.020]  That's one of thousands of issues and areas that I think here again the federal government tried to force down the throat of the people of Texas the fact that they had to purchase a product from the government.
[01:37:23.020 --> 01:37:30.020]  Now, I don't think we'll probably get much argument from people that that was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
[01:37:30.020 --> 01:37:44.020]  Now, wait a minute. Don't I remember something in the Constitution about contracts?
[01:37:44.020 --> 01:37:49.020]  About not interfering with contracts?
[01:37:49.020 --> 01:37:55.020]  Well, to the best of my knowledge that rings a bell, but I certainly couldn't quote anything to you, Andy.
[01:37:55.020 --> 01:38:07.020]  Deb, can you quote the section on there shall be no law pertaining to contracts interfering with contracts?
[01:38:07.020 --> 01:38:21.020]  As far as I know, and I'm not quoting exactly, but it's Congress shall make no law impairing or impeding a private contract so they can't interfere with a contract.
[01:38:21.020 --> 01:38:39.020]  I don't know if forcing people to create a contract or to engage in a contract, if that relates, but in a sense it could because if somebody already has a private contract with another insurance company or say they're privately insured
[01:38:39.020 --> 01:38:59.020]  and they have a contract with their physician to make certain payments or something like that and then all of a sudden the government comes along and says, well, no, you've got to do things this way, that could be construed as impairing or impeding interfering with a currently existing private contract.
[01:38:59.020 --> 01:39:08.020]  That is dead on. That's exactly the argument that was brought up when they tried to force Obamacare down our throats. Go ahead, Kerry.
[01:39:08.020 --> 01:39:18.020]  Well, I think, like I said, I don't think there would be much argument from everybody that they don't believe that that was a prudent thing to do is try to force that on us.
[01:39:18.020 --> 01:39:32.020]  On the other hand, there's a number of things that can be done at a level by Texas, by the state of Texas, but also by a new republic of Texas.
[01:39:32.020 --> 01:39:38.020]  That is allowing private enterprise competition for purchasing health care.
[01:39:38.020 --> 01:39:49.020]  There are laws that keep you from going out of state, for example, right now, and so competition is cut down.
[01:39:49.020 --> 01:40:03.020]  Competition will bring health care to a price that is bearable by the public and the public will be the decider of that as long as there is free and open competition.
[01:40:03.020 --> 01:40:15.020]  We're seeing right now around the state of Texas, I was just at one last week, unfortunately, but there are doctors setting up private clinics right now in and around Texas
[01:40:15.020 --> 01:40:21.020]  where you can go in and you can pay for your medical services while you're there.
[01:40:21.020 --> 01:40:30.020]  You can sign up without an insurance policy as a patient of theirs for long-term care.
[01:40:30.020 --> 01:40:35.020]  Again, that's the private enterprise raising its head.
[01:40:35.020 --> 01:40:47.020]  Additionally, for the state of Texas, the attorney general and the governor stood up and said, no, we will not have exchanges and things of that nature in Texas.
[01:40:47.020 --> 01:40:52.020]  I wish they would do that on about a thousand other issues.
[01:40:52.020 --> 01:40:57.020]  They did stand up on that, but that is in the judicial system right now.
[01:40:57.020 --> 01:41:10.020]  We could just as well spend millions of dollars on that and end up having somebody, some judge somewhere, rule against us and then you're going to be forced into a situation.
[01:41:10.020 --> 01:41:12.020]  That all remains to be seen.
[01:41:12.020 --> 01:41:18.020]  Again, with an independent Texas, those things can be alleviated up front.
[01:41:18.020 --> 01:41:29.020]  They can be done away with up front because when we have a new Republic of Texas, the first thing that we do as representatives, the people of Texas,
[01:41:29.020 --> 01:41:37.020]  is we sit down with representation from 254 counties and we'll have to write a new Texas Constitution.
[01:41:37.020 --> 01:41:47.020]  Those things, knowing what has gone wrong in the past, are things that we can make sure that we address and fix in the future.
[01:41:47.020 --> 01:42:04.020]  As to the current Constitution, how much would we have to write a whole new one or could we take the one we have and make adjustments to it?
[01:42:04.020 --> 01:42:12.020]  Yeah, I think the common feeling on that is we take the one that we have and make adjustments to it.
[01:42:12.020 --> 01:42:24.020]  As Stephen was talking about, there are portions in there that were apropos to 1845 and the late 1800s and they are not apropos anymore.
[01:42:24.020 --> 01:42:27.020]  They can be taken out. They can be done away with.
[01:42:27.020 --> 01:42:36.020]  We've got a pretty good Constitution here in Texas and we can certainly use it as a foundation to add and delete.
[01:42:36.020 --> 01:42:40.020]  I don't see it having to start over at square one.
[01:42:40.020 --> 01:42:46.020]  Steve, what's your opinion on that?
[01:42:46.020 --> 01:42:58.020]  I would certainly agree and Eddie gives great arguments on that when it goes back to the first one for the Republican Texas.
[01:42:58.020 --> 01:43:05.020]  All they do is they keep cleaning things up and changing ever so slightly, adding ever so slightly.
[01:43:05.020 --> 01:43:10.020]  There hasn't been so much change that ever happened from the beginning anyway.
[01:43:10.020 --> 01:43:14.020]  I certainly don't see the need to throw the whole thing away, but it's a good start.
[01:43:14.020 --> 01:43:19.020]  It's just like they took the federal Constitution and that's what those guys knew.
[01:43:19.020 --> 01:43:23.020]  In 1836, that's what they needed was the federal Constitution.
[01:43:23.020 --> 01:43:25.020]  It was a good start.
[01:43:25.020 --> 01:43:28.020]  I have no problem with that being a good start either.
[01:43:28.020 --> 01:43:30.020]  I certainly agree.
[01:43:30.020 --> 01:43:32.020]  Okay, thank you, Steve.
[01:43:32.020 --> 01:43:36.020]  We're going to go back to Kerry when we come back for the last segment.
[01:43:36.020 --> 01:43:38.020]  Thank you for calling in, Steve.
[01:43:38.020 --> 01:43:43.020]  And this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Our Radio.
[01:43:43.020 --> 01:43:51.020]  We're going to close the call lines for the last segment, so we will finish up when we come back on the other side.
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[01:46:27.020 --> 01:46:31.020]  Something I realize fully.
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[01:46:36.020 --> 01:46:39.020]  Somebody's on a police, a policeman.
[01:46:39.020 --> 01:46:44.020]  There's always room at the top of the hill.
[01:46:44.020 --> 01:46:49.020]  I hear things are great, fine, and it's lonely left too.
[01:46:49.020 --> 01:46:55.020]  Somebody snuck up when I wasn't looking and muted my mic again.
[01:46:55.020 --> 01:46:58.020]  I've been having trouble with that.
[01:46:58.020 --> 01:47:11.020]  Okay, this is Randy Caldwell Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're going to go back to Kerry to kind of sum up the case for Texas seceding from the union.
[01:47:11.020 --> 01:47:13.020]  Go ahead, Kerry.
[01:47:13.020 --> 01:47:20.020]  All right, thanks, Randy. I'll kind of try to wrap this thing up a little bit and give some folks some things to take a look at and research.
[01:47:20.020 --> 01:47:30.020]  You know, periodically from around the country we're accused of being a little bit arrogant down here, and we certainly have our own culture, and we know that.
[01:47:30.020 --> 01:47:43.020]  But in 2009, as most of you will recall, Rick Perry made a statement on TV that if nothing else, Texas could always succeed.
[01:47:43.020 --> 01:47:47.020]  And so that created quite a little stir.
[01:47:47.020 --> 01:47:56.020]  So John Zogby came in and actually administered a poll across the country about secession.
[01:47:56.020 --> 01:48:03.020]  And they did an interactive survey of over 40,000 people in the U.S.
[01:48:03.020 --> 01:48:20.020]  And the findings were very, very interesting because amongst Republicans, they found that 44 percent of Republicans in the country deemed that secession would be legal and agreed with it.
[01:48:20.020 --> 01:48:24.020]  43 percent of independents agreed with that.
[01:48:24.020 --> 01:48:27.020]  Now, the number was much lower amongst Democrats, as we can imagine.
[01:48:27.020 --> 01:48:45.020]  But one of the interesting things that came along was that 42 percent of the members of the armed forces felt like that secession is a right that belongs to each and every state, not just Texas, but each and every state.
[01:48:45.020 --> 01:48:56.020]  And so with that in mind, I just want to remind everybody that there are news hawks out there, and there are folks that grab news a little bit at a time.
[01:48:56.020 --> 01:49:08.020]  But the onslaught, when the president of the United States comes on television and tells you that the Constitution is a document that works against him,
[01:49:08.020 --> 01:49:14.020]  that it tells him what he can't do and he doesn't like that, we've got real problems.
[01:49:14.020 --> 01:49:29.020]  When we've got representatives, even from the state of Texas, who will not take a stand for state sovereignty or running a budget up into the multi-trillions of dollars,
[01:49:29.020 --> 01:49:35.020]  which we will pay a price for at some scale, we will pay a price for that, then we've got real problems.
[01:49:35.020 --> 01:49:39.020]  And I just urge the people of Texas to do this.
[01:49:39.020 --> 01:49:45.020]  And the other states, too, by the way, I love the United States. It's just the federal government we don't like.
[01:49:45.020 --> 01:49:52.020]  I've been to every one of them, spent at least one night in every one of them, and I will tell you I've never had a bad experience.
[01:49:52.020 --> 01:49:57.020]  But the people need to get off the couch, and they need to get up, and they need to get involved.
[01:49:57.020 --> 01:50:03.020]  They need to get involved politically, and they need to get involved in the education program.
[01:50:03.020 --> 01:50:13.020]  You know, one of the things that we do at Freedom Texas is we hold meetings every month all across Texas, and they're educational meetings.
[01:50:13.020 --> 01:50:22.020]  There are other independence organizations out there that do exactly the same thing, where you can go and get your questions answered,
[01:50:22.020 --> 01:50:31.020]  where you can go and speak your piece, you can go and find out about what independence for Texas really will look like
[01:50:31.020 --> 01:50:33.020]  and what it will be all about when it happens.
[01:50:33.020 --> 01:50:36.020]  And I will tell you this, Randy and Deborah.
[01:50:36.020 --> 01:50:42.020]  People always ask me, do you think Texas will really be independent, really gain its independence?
[01:50:42.020 --> 01:50:47.020]  And I always answer like this, it's inevitable. I believe it's going to happen.
[01:50:47.020 --> 01:50:54.020]  I believe that with all of my heart it will be done peacefully, it will be done legislatively, but it's going to get done.
[01:50:54.020 --> 01:50:57.020]  I think it's going to be actually forced upon us.
[01:50:57.020 --> 01:51:03.020]  And the one thing that I will wrap up and say to the people of Texas today, one of the things that I've learned,
[01:51:03.020 --> 01:51:12.020]  I ran for state representative several sessions ago, I've traveled the state exclusively,
[01:51:12.020 --> 01:51:17.020]  I've addressed more crowds than I can begin to count.
[01:51:17.020 --> 01:51:27.020]  But I will tell you what I've learned is that Texas, we are blessed, we are blessed in the bounty of Texas.
[01:51:27.020 --> 01:51:35.020]  We have natural resources, we have a culture, we have a climate, we have a geographical position,
[01:51:35.020 --> 01:51:39.020]  and we have the ability to be a world leader.
[01:51:39.020 --> 01:51:44.020]  We are truly blessed in the bounty of our Texas.
[01:51:44.020 --> 01:51:51.020]  And if I can say one thing to anybody tonight is that we can never allow anyone, it matters not who it is,
[01:51:51.020 --> 01:51:55.020]  we can never allow anyone to take that away from us.
[01:51:55.020 --> 01:52:02.020]  That was given to us by our Lord and Savior and God, and we cannot allow that to be taken away from us.
[01:52:02.020 --> 01:52:12.020]  And I guess with that said, I'll encourage everybody, one of the places you can go is our website at freedomtexas.org.
[01:52:12.020 --> 01:52:17.020]  You'll have a chance to, there's an open Facebook there, we can answer questions for you,
[01:52:17.020 --> 01:52:22.020]  you can do a little reading about the 20 points I touched base on in the first hour,
[01:52:22.020 --> 01:52:26.020]  and start your education, start your journey.
[01:52:26.020 --> 01:52:32.020]  That's what I'm asking people is start your journey, get involved, and let's lead Texas to a better place.
[01:52:32.020 --> 01:52:42.020]  And this has been very informative for me because we've kicked around this notion of secession for quite a while,
[01:52:42.020 --> 01:52:50.020]  but we haven't had anyone who has done the serious research that's necessary
[01:52:50.020 --> 01:53:02.020]  that could change this from a notion or an idea to a actual valid consideration.
[01:53:02.020 --> 01:53:14.020]  And the more I look at Texas, the more I see Texas as the most likely state to have the capacity
[01:53:14.020 --> 01:53:20.020]  to separate from the union and do just fine on its own.
[01:53:20.020 --> 01:53:24.020]  Yeah, maybe that is in fact the case.
[01:53:24.020 --> 01:53:29.020]  I think people are going to be very interested in the very near future.
[01:53:29.020 --> 01:53:32.020]  There's work going on right now.
[01:53:32.020 --> 01:53:36.020]  Everybody is so disenchanted with the Republicans and the Democrats.
[01:53:36.020 --> 01:53:40.020]  They're hard to tell the difference sometimes.
[01:53:40.020 --> 01:53:46.020]  There's work being done, completion on a Texas independence political party,
[01:53:46.020 --> 01:53:53.020]  a place where people can go and actually have candidates that are going to stand up for the sovereignty of Texas
[01:53:53.020 --> 01:53:57.020]  and for the people of Texas and for Texas herself.
[01:53:57.020 --> 01:54:00.020]  And so a lot of changes coming on the horizon.
[01:54:00.020 --> 01:54:03.020]  It's one thing to be a keyboard commando and talk about it.
[01:54:03.020 --> 01:54:09.020]  It's another thing to get involved and actually help it happen.
[01:54:09.020 --> 01:54:12.020]  Oh, you are certainly talking to the gallery here.
[01:54:12.020 --> 01:54:19.020]  We certainly understand the difference between the keyboard and getting out there in the real world.
[01:54:19.020 --> 01:54:26.020]  Two broken collarbones, three dislocated ribs, broken elbow, the tooth knocked out.
[01:54:26.020 --> 01:54:30.020]  I'm nursing a broken collarbone right now.
[01:54:30.020 --> 01:54:34.020]  It's almost solved.
[01:54:34.020 --> 01:54:36.020]  Wait, I missed that?
[01:54:36.020 --> 01:54:39.020]  I said I'm nursing a broken collarbone right now.
[01:54:39.020 --> 01:54:42.020]  I guess that's what happens when you get old.
[01:54:42.020 --> 01:54:53.020]  Yeah, well, those breaks I was talking about were presence to me from public officials at one point or another
[01:54:53.020 --> 01:54:55.020]  for me annoying them.
[01:54:55.020 --> 01:55:00.020]  But I don't regret a second of it.
[01:55:00.020 --> 01:55:08.020]  You know, Randy, I'm turning 65 in June.
[01:55:08.020 --> 01:55:14.020]  And I will tell you right now there's about a million things that I would rather be doing
[01:55:14.020 --> 01:55:17.020]  than having to fight for Texas independence.
[01:55:17.020 --> 01:55:19.020]  I would love to go fishing.
[01:55:19.020 --> 01:55:21.020]  I would love to be with my grandchildren.
[01:55:21.020 --> 01:55:25.020]  There's so many things at this time of your life.
[01:55:25.020 --> 01:55:28.020]  But this is something that must be done.
[01:55:28.020 --> 01:55:31.020]  This is something that has to be addressed.
[01:55:31.020 --> 01:55:34.020]  And not only is it in our heart, but for ourselves.
[01:55:34.020 --> 01:55:40.020]  But, you know, you're taking into consideration the future of your family and your children
[01:55:40.020 --> 01:55:41.020]  and your grandchildren.
[01:55:41.020 --> 01:55:44.020]  And I don't care if people think that that sounds hokey.
[01:55:44.020 --> 01:55:45.020]  It's not hokey.
[01:55:45.020 --> 01:55:47.020]  It's real life.
[01:55:47.020 --> 01:55:49.020]  And this is where we are.
[01:55:49.020 --> 01:55:50.020]  It's our turn.
[01:55:50.020 --> 01:55:54.020]  You know, we always are amazed at the people that defended the Alamo
[01:55:54.020 --> 01:55:58.020]  and the people that were, you know, in the American Revolution.
[01:55:58.020 --> 01:55:59.020]  Well, you know what?
[01:55:59.020 --> 01:56:03.020]  We're in the same position, different time, different place.
[01:56:03.020 --> 01:56:05.020]  We're in the same position.
[01:56:05.020 --> 01:56:06.020]  And it's our time.
[01:56:06.020 --> 01:56:09.020]  We've got to step up to the plate.
[01:56:09.020 --> 01:56:14.020]  You sound like me.
[01:56:14.020 --> 01:56:16.020]  I appreciate what I hear.
[01:56:16.020 --> 01:56:26.020]  You are a combat veteran and it makes a difference when you stand up
[01:56:26.020 --> 01:56:31.020]  and you do the hard thing because it's the right thing.
[01:56:31.020 --> 01:56:39.020]  I think back to Henry V from Shakespeare where he's trying to,
[01:56:39.020 --> 01:56:47.020]  in his St. Crispin's Day speech where he's trying to encourage his 500
[01:56:47.020 --> 01:56:51.020]  to charge through the breach against 10,000.
[01:56:51.020 --> 01:56:58.020]  When he said that those who were not here on this St. Crispin's Day
[01:56:58.020 --> 01:57:03.020]  will consider their lives of less value.
[01:57:03.020 --> 01:57:06.020]  And that was right.
[01:57:06.020 --> 01:57:12.020]  I just spoke to someone today about me standing in jail
[01:57:12.020 --> 01:57:16.020]  after being sentenced to a year in jail for filing criminal charges
[01:57:16.020 --> 01:57:19.020]  against judges in Cherokee County.
[01:57:19.020 --> 01:57:26.020]  And I had told the jury that in the end you'll have to just do
[01:57:26.020 --> 01:57:30.020]  whatever you have to do, but in the end it won't make any difference
[01:57:30.020 --> 01:57:34.020]  because when this is all over, I'm still going to be here.
[01:57:34.020 --> 01:57:37.020]  I'm still going to be doing what's right.
[01:57:37.020 --> 01:57:43.020]  And they sentenced me to a year in jail after 27 days in solitary confinement.
[01:57:43.020 --> 01:57:46.020]  I was standing looking in the mirror and I thought to myself,
[01:57:46.020 --> 01:57:52.020]  self, you were pretty arrogant when you told the grand jury to do their worst,
[01:57:52.020 --> 01:57:55.020]  but you'd still be here.
[01:57:55.020 --> 01:57:58.020]  Did you mean it?
[01:57:58.020 --> 01:58:01.020]  And my answer was an emphatic yes.
[01:58:01.020 --> 01:58:07.020]  And that made that whole experience absolutely worth it.
[01:58:07.020 --> 01:58:09.020]  Do it again.
[01:58:09.020 --> 01:58:11.020]  Absolutely.
[01:58:11.020 --> 01:58:15.020]  You know, my darling bride and my wife and I have a saying that we look at each other when
[01:58:15.020 --> 01:58:17.020]  the time gets up and you have to make hard decisions,
[01:58:17.020 --> 01:58:20.020]  the bottom line is, to thine own self be true.
[01:58:20.020 --> 01:58:23.020]  And that's where I will take a stand also.
[01:58:23.020 --> 01:58:25.020]  Okay, wonderful.
[01:58:25.020 --> 01:58:27.020]  This is Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:27.020 --> 01:58:33.020]  We have our radio and we want to thank Carey Wise for being here
[01:58:33.020 --> 01:58:38.020]  and we hope you'll come back and keep us up to date on how this movement is going
[01:58:38.020 --> 01:58:40.020]  and maybe we can help move it along.
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