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[00:08.880 --> 00:14.320]  I'm Brian Hagan with your Liberty Beat for Thursday, January 29th, 2015.
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[01:05.400 --> 01:09.520]  In the news today, a program designed to record computer keystrokes has been found in hacking
[01:09.520 --> 01:14.920]  operations by the NSA and GCHQ in several countries around the world.
[01:14.920 --> 01:18.920]  Researchers at the Kipursky Lab says the source code to the program matched the code of a
[01:18.920 --> 01:22.840]  spying tool known as Regen, which was previously revealed by Edward Snowden.
[01:22.840 --> 01:27.960]  It appears that the Regen platform was used for spying operations conducted by the so-called
[01:27.960 --> 01:29.440]  Five Eyes Nations.
[01:29.440 --> 01:34.880]  The anti-virus company Symantec had previously said the program was well disguised and difficult
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[01:39.160 --> 01:43.460]  The defense had another difficult time on day eight of the Ross Ulbricht trial.
[01:43.460 --> 01:48.240]  The day began with IRS Special Agent Gary Ulbricht further connecting Ulbricht to Silk
[01:48.240 --> 01:54.880]  Road private chats, this time making it extremely personal, tying references to DPR having Poison
[01:54.880 --> 02:00.120]  Oak to emails from the same time period, with Ulbricht telling his girlfriend at the time
[02:00.120 --> 02:04.760]  he quote, got Poison Oak taking trash out of a train, end quote.
[02:04.760 --> 02:09.840]  Ulbricht also testified about private chats with DPR, saying he went on a first date,
[02:09.840 --> 02:15.960]  then the state showed email messages for Ulbricht from OkCupid around the same time, with a
[02:15.960 --> 02:19.240]  message from a woman saying she enjoyed their time together.
[02:19.240 --> 02:23.960]  Additionally, the government showed a Silk Road spreadsheet with an IP address used by
[02:23.960 --> 02:29.680]  DPR that was tied to Google records of IPs that Ulbricht used to connect to his Gmail
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[03:19.800 --> 03:30.800]  What you gonna do, what you gonna do, bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you
[03:30.800 --> 03:35.800]  gonna do when they come for you, bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna
[03:35.800 --> 03:37.800]  do when they come for you.
[03:37.800 --> 03:43.800]  When you were eight and you had bad dreams, you'd go to school and learn the golden rules,
[03:43.800 --> 03:48.800]  so why are you acting like a bloody fool, eating sugarcane pops and your mouth just
[03:48.800 --> 03:49.800]  cools.
[03:49.800 --> 03:55.800]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you, bad boys,
[03:55.800 --> 03:59.800]  bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you.
[03:59.800 --> 04:05.800]  All right, bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you here on the
[04:05.800 --> 04:15.800]  School of Law, this is Thursday, January 29, 2015, and we have a special guest tonight,
[04:15.800 --> 04:23.800]  we have Mr. Michael Cargill, the owner of Central Texas Gunworks with us here, who is
[04:23.800 --> 04:31.800]  one of our primary sponsors of the Logos Radio Network Fundraiser that is coming to a close,
[04:31.800 --> 04:38.800]  so folks, you may want to get in on the donations while you can, because for every $25 donation,
[04:38.800 --> 04:47.800]  you will get your name in the hat for a drawing to win a Glock 42 380 caliber pistol, and
[04:47.800 --> 04:52.800]  second place prize is two concealed handgun classes.
[04:52.800 --> 04:59.800]  So also, we still have some My Magic Mud left, so for $25 or more donation, you also will
[04:59.800 --> 05:06.800]  get a free jar of My Magic Mud, that's of course sponsored by Justin and Jessica Armand,
[05:06.800 --> 05:11.800]  great, great couple, great folks over there at My Magic Mud, we really appreciate them
[05:11.800 --> 05:13.800]  sponsoring as well.
[05:13.800 --> 05:18.800]  And so, I wanted to have Michael on, because we are coming to the close of our fundraiser,
[05:18.800 --> 05:25.800]  and I wanted him to talk a little bit about the firearms that we're giving away, and also
[05:25.800 --> 05:32.800]  some gun bills, some pro-gun related bills that are in the Texas, going through Texas
[05:32.800 --> 05:36.800]  Congress right now as we speak, so Michael, thank you and welcome to the show.
[05:36.800 --> 05:39.800]  Wow, thank you for having me, I really appreciate it.
[05:39.800 --> 05:44.800]  Absolutely, so Michael, why don't you tell folks, let's start off first about the prizes,
[05:44.800 --> 05:48.800]  why don't you tell folks about the Glock and about the CHL classes?
[05:48.800 --> 05:56.800]  Oh yeah, we have a Glock 42, it's a.380 handgun that we're giving away there, and I tell you,
[05:56.800 --> 06:03.800]  it's an awesome firearm, it's great for concealed carry, so if you definitely want to maybe
[06:03.800 --> 06:07.800]  carry a gun in your boots, maybe on the inside of your pants, maybe in the small of your
[06:07.800 --> 06:09.800]  back, this is the best firearm for that.
[06:09.800 --> 06:15.800]  Matter of fact, ladies, you can even put this firearm inside your bra as a one for the bra
[06:15.800 --> 06:19.800]  there, so all about that flash bang.
[06:19.800 --> 06:26.800]  Flash bang, yes, absolutely, yes, and I like the small of the back because I'm such a
[06:26.800 --> 06:32.800]  slender woman that it's really hard for me to carry concealed anywhere but the small of
[06:32.800 --> 06:33.800]  my back.
[06:33.800 --> 06:37.800]  Of course I like the winter time, just because I like cold weather, but of course when it's
[06:37.800 --> 06:41.800]  winter time you can always carry it inside your jacket or in boots, it's kind of hard
[06:41.800 --> 06:47.800]  to wear boots in the Texas summers, but you always got the small of your back there, so
[06:47.800 --> 06:50.800]  yeah, I'm a big fan of that carry.
[06:50.800 --> 06:56.800]  Oh yeah, absolutely, and so this is a great firearm for that, and it's a good concealed
[06:56.800 --> 07:01.800]  carry piece, so if you're looking to get your concealed handgun license or you're waiting
[07:01.800 --> 07:07.800]  for a constitutional carry to pass or open carry to pass and you want to have that perfect
[07:07.800 --> 07:11.800]  firearm for personal protection, this is going to be the gun that you're going to want.
[07:11.800 --> 07:17.800]  Now is this a revised newer version of the Glock 42?
[07:17.800 --> 07:21.800]  I was reading something about it and it looks like they have made some improvements upon
[07:21.800 --> 07:22.800]  this.
[07:22.800 --> 07:28.800]  This one is not, it's the last version that they brought out, the Glock 42, which is a
[07:28.800 --> 07:29.800]  380.
[07:29.800 --> 07:33.800]  I'm not sure what the, I haven't had my hands on that new one just yet.
[07:33.800 --> 07:37.800]  I don't think that's out in the stores already.
[07:37.800 --> 07:38.800]  Oh, okay, so that's...
[07:38.800 --> 07:42.800]  Yeah, once I get my hands on that one, I'll definitely test fire it and see what it's
[07:42.800 --> 07:47.800]  all about, because we also, we get a lot of the new guns inside the store in Central Texas
[07:47.800 --> 07:54.800]  Gun Works, and we actually do take them to the range and fire them for a lot of the companies.
[07:54.800 --> 07:58.800]  Yes, and you also have a gun range, is that correct?
[07:58.800 --> 08:03.800]  Right, and we take them to our gun range, we will test fire them, and a lot of the guys
[08:03.800 --> 08:07.800]  on some of your online blogs, we actually write about them.
[08:07.800 --> 08:12.800]  And we also invite them to come onto our radio show, my radio show, which is called Come
[08:12.800 --> 08:17.800]  and Talk It, which is going to air on this Saturday at 12 noon.
[08:17.800 --> 08:20.800]  Yes, that was the other announcement I was going to make.
[08:20.800 --> 08:25.800]  Michael Cargill is our newest host on the Logos Radio Network.
[08:25.800 --> 08:34.800]  He has a show already that basically is produced at a local AM station, and he is now coming
[08:34.800 --> 08:35.800]  on board the network.
[08:35.800 --> 08:40.800]  We are going to be running his show on Saturdays at noon here on the Logos Radio Network.
[08:40.800 --> 08:43.800]  So, yeah, that was the other announcement I was just about to make.
[08:43.800 --> 08:46.800]  Welcome on board Logos Radio Network, Michael.
[08:46.800 --> 08:47.800]  Absolutely.
[08:47.800 --> 08:49.800]  I'm looking forward to it.
[08:49.800 --> 08:55.800]  I tell you, we can't wait. We have a lot of great interviews that are coming up down the road.
[08:55.800 --> 08:59.800]  We have a lot of different manufacturers of different firearms.
[08:59.800 --> 09:04.800]  We have Tracking Point that's going to be on the show next weekend.
[09:04.800 --> 09:07.800]  And also we will have Musical Targets.
[09:07.800 --> 09:10.800]  They will be on the show next weekend as well.
[09:10.800 --> 09:13.800]  So Tracking Point and Musical Targets.
[09:13.800 --> 09:16.800]  Yes, and again, the name of the show is Come and Talk It.
[09:16.800 --> 09:20.800]  And so we will be running his archive.
[09:20.800 --> 09:25.800]  His show is live on Sunday afternoons at 4 p.m. on, I believe it's 1370.
[09:25.800 --> 09:27.800]  Is that correct, Michael, AM?
[09:27.800 --> 09:28.800]  That's correct.
[09:28.800 --> 09:32.800]  We go live on 1370 on Sundays from 4 p.m. to 530 p.m.
[09:32.800 --> 09:38.800]  And then that same show will be on Logos Radio that following Saturday, 12 to 1.
[09:38.800 --> 09:44.800]  Yes, and normally we just like to stick to a strictly live radio format here on Logos.
[09:44.800 --> 09:51.800]  But Michael's show is so important, I believe, for the content,
[09:51.800 --> 09:58.800]  especially with what is going on in Congress right now with these gun bills that I felt,
[09:58.800 --> 10:00.800]  well, hey, why not?
[10:00.800 --> 10:02.800]  We don't have anything else going on at that time.
[10:02.800 --> 10:05.800]  May as well run your podcast, Michael.
[10:05.800 --> 10:06.800]  That's right.
[10:06.800 --> 10:10.800]  Because we've got to keep up to date about what's going on with the Texas State Capitol.
[10:10.800 --> 10:12.800]  Because right now we have constitutional carry.
[10:12.800 --> 10:17.800]  There's a big fight going on right now with constitutional carry and open carry.
[10:17.800 --> 10:20.800]  And what they're trying to do is actually trying to divide us.
[10:20.800 --> 10:23.800]  We're actually, we are a big happy family.
[10:23.800 --> 10:26.800]  And no matter what happens, we may have our grievances.
[10:26.800 --> 10:29.800]  We may have our disagreements.
[10:29.800 --> 10:31.800]  But we are one big happy family.
[10:31.800 --> 10:36.800]  And we're moving forward with trying to get constitutional carry passed here in the state of Texas.
[10:36.800 --> 10:37.800]  Yes.
[10:37.800 --> 10:41.800]  Why don't we talk about that a little bit, this constitutional carry bill.
[10:41.800 --> 10:45.800]  I want to get your take on, well, just everything you have to say about it.
[10:45.800 --> 10:50.800]  But in particular, one comment that I wanted to make is that I've heard some rumblings
[10:50.800 --> 10:58.800]  that some of the CHL instructors or gun store owners are actually not very happy about this bill
[10:58.800 --> 11:03.800]  and are somewhat opposed to it basically for financial reasons.
[11:03.800 --> 11:11.800]  You know, they are afraid that the demand in the market for a CHL is going to decrease
[11:11.800 --> 11:15.800]  if people are able to open carry without a license.
[11:15.800 --> 11:19.800]  And I just really don't see that.
[11:19.800 --> 11:26.800]  I mean, I'm not in the business personally, but just as a firearm owner myself, I mean, you know,
[11:26.800 --> 11:28.800]  there's going to be times you're going to want to open carry.
[11:28.800 --> 11:31.800]  Well, there's going to be times you're going to want to conceal too.
[11:31.800 --> 11:33.800]  I'm not going to always want it on my hip.
[11:33.800 --> 11:35.800]  Sometimes I'm going to want to have a firearm,
[11:35.800 --> 11:40.800]  but I'm not necessarily going to want to display it everywhere, you know.
[11:40.800 --> 11:45.800]  So I really don't see how it's going to take away the demand or the desire to have a CHL
[11:45.800 --> 11:46.800]  just because we can open carry.
[11:46.800 --> 11:49.800]  I mean, that's just me personally as a firearm owner.
[11:49.800 --> 11:54.800]  What is your take on this, Michael, and what else do you have to comment on concerning this bill?
[11:54.800 --> 11:59.800]  Well, you know, we don't know how it's going to affect the different gun stores.
[11:59.800 --> 12:03.800]  You know, it could, the classes may decline just slightly, a little bit.
[12:03.800 --> 12:06.800]  But you know what? You got to think of it like this.
[12:06.800 --> 12:09.800]  You know, I think some people are actually being a little selfish,
[12:09.800 --> 12:14.800]  and they're thinking only about the money aspects of it, you know, them trying to make money.
[12:14.800 --> 12:16.800]  They're not thinking about the liberty aspect of it.
[12:16.800 --> 12:20.800]  They're not thinking about the constitutional reality of what we're facing here.
[12:20.800 --> 12:22.800]  We're talking about constitutional carry.
[12:22.800 --> 12:27.800]  We're talking about a right that has been given to us by our Constitution.
[12:27.800 --> 12:30.800]  You know, it's not called the Bill of Needs. It's called the Bill of Rights.
[12:30.800 --> 12:32.800]  And so this is what we're discussing here.
[12:32.800 --> 12:36.800]  So, you know, some people are being a little selfish, you know, and like I said,
[12:36.800 --> 12:38.800]  they're just thinking about that money aspects of it.
[12:38.800 --> 12:41.800]  You know, it's got to be about the people, liberty.
[12:41.800 --> 12:42.800]  We're talking about the freedom.
[12:42.800 --> 12:47.800]  You know, that's what we're, you know, here to make a difference and make change.
[12:47.800 --> 12:54.800]  Absolutely. And I mean, another comment I have on that issue is I think it actually has the potential
[12:54.800 --> 12:58.800]  to increase the business for CHL, and here's why.
[12:58.800 --> 13:03.800]  There's a lot of people out there that don't want to bother with the classes
[13:03.800 --> 13:06.800]  or maybe they don't want to do the licensing thing, you know,
[13:06.800 --> 13:08.800]  because they're just reluctant to go there.
[13:08.800 --> 13:11.800]  And so they just don't carry their gun on their person.
[13:11.800 --> 13:18.800]  They keep it in their car because you can keep it in your car, you know, without a license.
[13:18.800 --> 13:25.800]  And you can carry technically concealed just not in certain places like especially public places
[13:25.800 --> 13:27.800]  where they sell alcohol.
[13:27.800 --> 13:31.800]  You know, as long as you're on private property, you can obviously do what you want on private property.
[13:31.800 --> 13:37.800]  But at any rate, the point being is that once people who maybe are not carrying at all right now
[13:37.800 --> 13:43.800]  or just maybe leaving it in their car, once they get a taste of having that firearm with them all the time,
[13:43.800 --> 13:46.800]  they may say, hey, you know, this is really cool.
[13:46.800 --> 13:50.800]  I really like having my firearm with me everywhere I go.
[13:50.800 --> 13:55.800]  But, you know, now I'm realizing that there are some situations where I may want to conceal it.
[13:55.800 --> 13:59.800]  I think it could actually increase the business because it would, you know,
[13:59.800 --> 14:02.800]  just lead people in that direction once they start open carrying.
[14:02.800 --> 14:04.800]  That's just my take on it.
[14:04.800 --> 14:07.800]  Right. And let me give you the differences of what, you know, what we're talking about here.
[14:07.800 --> 14:11.800]  We're talking constitutional carry, which means that you would be able to openly
[14:11.800 --> 14:14.800]  or conceal your firearm without a license.
[14:14.800 --> 14:18.800]  Okay. You'll be able to openly or conceal that handgun without a license.
[14:18.800 --> 14:24.800]  And then there's a possibility of another bill being passed, which is a handgun license bill.
[14:24.800 --> 14:26.800]  You'll be able to open carry with just a handgun license.
[14:26.800 --> 14:29.800]  So kind of like what Oklahoma has.
[14:29.800 --> 14:32.800]  You can open carry your handgun in the state of Oklahoma,
[14:32.800 --> 14:36.800]  but you need a handgun license to open carry it or conceal carry it.
[14:36.800 --> 14:38.800]  So those are going to be the differences.
[14:38.800 --> 14:43.800]  Okay. So now wait a minute. Are you saying this constitutional carry bill, I thought it was just for open carry.
[14:43.800 --> 14:44.800]  Are you saying?
[14:44.800 --> 14:46.800]  There are two different types of bills.
[14:46.800 --> 14:51.800]  There's your constitutional bill, and then there's your open carry with a handgun license.
[14:51.800 --> 14:54.800]  So with the constitutional carry, that includes concealed.
[14:54.800 --> 14:58.800]  Are you saying that that would do away with the need for the handgun license altogether?
[14:58.800 --> 14:59.800]  That is correct.
[14:59.800 --> 15:03.800]  Oh, okay. Wow. I thought it was just for open carry. Okay.
[15:03.800 --> 15:07.800]  No. It means constitutional carry means that you would be able to carry your handgun
[15:07.800 --> 15:09.800]  openly or concealed without a license.
[15:09.800 --> 15:12.800]  Okay. So it completely do away with a handgun license altogether.
[15:12.800 --> 15:15.800]  Okay. Now I understand why they're so upset.
[15:15.800 --> 15:17.800]  But it does not remove the concealed.
[15:17.800 --> 15:20.800]  Texas will still have a concealed handgun license program,
[15:20.800 --> 15:25.800]  because in order for you to travel outside of the state of Texas to neighboring states,
[15:25.800 --> 15:28.800]  you're going to have to have that CHL if you want to conceal your handgun.
[15:28.800 --> 15:32.800]  So it's not going to remove the concealed handgun license.
[15:32.800 --> 15:33.800]  I see. I see.
[15:33.800 --> 15:39.800]  But in reality, it's going to slow down the amount of people that are getting their CHLs.
[15:39.800 --> 15:42.800]  And that's the reality of it, and that's what some people are afraid of.
[15:42.800 --> 15:45.800]  Well, how much support does this bill have right now?
[15:45.800 --> 15:47.800]  Well, it actually has a lot of support.
[15:47.800 --> 15:50.800]  You have a lot of different groups that have joined forces together,
[15:50.800 --> 15:54.800]  going back and forth to the Texas State Capitol and lobbying their legislators
[15:54.800 --> 15:58.800]  to let them know that this is something that we're very passionate about.
[15:58.800 --> 16:03.800]  Also, you have the lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, who actually has it on his website
[16:03.800 --> 16:08.800]  as one of the fifth bullet points, and he said that he is going to fight for open carry.
[16:08.800 --> 16:11.800]  Now, he wavered just a little bit this week,
[16:11.800 --> 16:15.800]  and I think we were able to get him to come right back on track,
[16:15.800 --> 16:21.800]  because he wavered a little bit and said that there was no support in the legislator for it,
[16:21.800 --> 16:25.800]  but then I think he found that he was wrong this week by all the phone calls he was receiving
[16:25.800 --> 16:29.800]  and the fact that we shut his phone lines down and jammed his email up,
[16:29.800 --> 16:32.800]  that now he knows there is support for open carry in the state of Texas,
[16:32.800 --> 16:35.800]  and he's back on track with supporting constitutional carry.
[16:35.800 --> 16:36.800]  That's excellent.
[16:36.800 --> 16:38.800]  I want to hear more about this when we get on the other side,
[16:38.800 --> 16:43.800]  and there are some other bills that are of importance that need to be discussed here.
[16:43.800 --> 16:48.800]  So again, folks, we are with Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gun Works.
[16:48.800 --> 16:52.800]  He's the newest host on the Logos Radio Network, going to be airing on Saturdays at noon,
[16:52.800 --> 16:55.800]  and he's sponsoring the gun giveaway for the fundraiser.
[16:55.800 --> 16:57.800]  We'll be right back, folks.
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[17:09.800 --> 17:15.800]  We function on a fraction of the budget of most media outlets, but free speech isn't free.
[17:15.800 --> 17:19.800]  That's why we're holding our annual fundraiser for operating expenses and equipment upgrades.
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[19:22.800 --> 19:37.800]  Look one again. Look one again.
[19:37.800 --> 19:42.800]  And they don't ever answer.
[19:42.800 --> 19:44.800]  So can slip and slide.
[19:44.800 --> 19:48.800]  issues for see, Lord, how the war will take it easy.
[19:48.800 --> 19:53.800]  They might not wait too politically, and they'll get even more angry.
[19:53.800 --> 19:58.800]  But they might stand up and fight and fight for the freedom and be free.
[19:58.800 --> 20:03.800]  On the right, they'll love slavery and get handouts from the government.
[20:03.800 --> 20:07.800]  We are the Christians.
[20:07.800 --> 20:14.800]  They don't have the answers.
[20:14.800 --> 20:19.800]  We are the Christians.
[20:19.800 --> 20:24.800]  And they don't have the answers.
[20:24.800 --> 20:33.800]  Here I need them to tell you, them to tell me, Lord, them to tell the country.
[20:33.800 --> 20:35.800]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[20:35.800 --> 20:37.800]  This is the Logos Radio Network.
[20:37.800 --> 20:40.800]  I am your host, Deborah Stevens, with Randy Kelton.
[20:40.800 --> 20:44.800]  And we are here with our very special guest and the newest host on the network,
[20:44.800 --> 20:47.800]  Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gunworks.
[20:47.800 --> 20:50.800]  Again, he is the sponsor of our fundraiser.
[20:50.800 --> 20:53.800]  And, folks, we really need your help.
[20:53.800 --> 20:59.800]  We have barely not even reached 25% of our goal yet, and there's only two days left.
[20:59.800 --> 21:06.800]  So I have to admit, I am on pins and needles and biting fingernails here,
[21:06.800 --> 21:13.800]  wondering how we're going to fund this network to continue on because we are not reaching our goal.
[21:13.800 --> 21:16.800]  And so anyways, folks, if you could please help.
[21:16.800 --> 21:21.800]  I mean, any amount is respected and appreciated.
[21:21.800 --> 21:25.800]  So I'll say a little bit more about that in a few minutes.
[21:25.800 --> 21:33.800]  But right now we're talking with Michael about some very important legislation that may come to pass here in Texas.
[21:33.800 --> 21:41.800]  There's a constitutional carry bill on the table, and there's also this open carry bill on the table,
[21:41.800 --> 21:46.800]  which apparently would license open carry as well as concealed carry.
[21:46.800 --> 21:51.800]  And, Michael, give us your take on the difference between the two,
[21:51.800 --> 21:54.800]  and particularly I want to know as far as the level of support.
[21:54.800 --> 22:02.800]  Do we have any idea as far as the members of Congress, which one they support more,
[22:02.800 --> 22:05.800]  or is there a lot of support for either bill?
[22:05.800 --> 22:07.800]  What are we looking at here?
[22:07.800 --> 22:10.800]  Okay. Well, first of all, the difference is you have your constitutional carry,
[22:10.800 --> 22:17.800]  which means that you would be able to openly carry a handgun or concealed carry a handgun without a license.
[22:17.800 --> 22:21.800]  And then you have license carry, which means that you would need to have a handgun license
[22:21.800 --> 22:26.800]  in order to openly carry or concealed carry your handgun.
[22:26.800 --> 22:30.800]  So those are the two different types of bill. There's a constitutional bill and a license carry bill.
[22:30.800 --> 22:38.800]  Now, as far as support, well, we have to go back to the fact that the majority of people that are in our state house
[22:38.800 --> 22:41.800]  and also our state senate are Republicans.
[22:41.800 --> 22:49.800]  And the Texas Republican Party platform stated this year that constitutional carry is their main priority,
[22:49.800 --> 22:54.800]  is their number one priority. So it shouldn't be rocket science.
[22:54.800 --> 22:57.800]  It should be very simple to get open carry.
[22:57.800 --> 23:02.800]  Better yet, it should be very simple to get constitutional carry to actually pass this session.
[23:02.800 --> 23:06.800]  So we shouldn't have to ask too much. We shouldn't have to call too much.
[23:06.800 --> 23:11.800]  It shouldn't be a lot of work since it's the Republican Party's platform for this year.
[23:11.800 --> 23:15.800]  And of course, what we really want is the constitutional carry.
[23:15.800 --> 23:19.800]  Correct. So that way you can openly carry or concealed carry your handgun without a license.
[23:19.800 --> 23:21.800]  And that's the way it is in Vermont.
[23:21.800 --> 23:27.800]  So I think that, you know, come on. Come on, people. We're not going to let Vermont beat us, are we?
[23:27.800 --> 23:30.800]  And they're surrounded by a sea of blue.
[23:30.800 --> 23:39.800]  Exactly. Exactly. Okay. So we should be calling our reps, letting them know that we support this.
[23:39.800 --> 23:44.800]  And I think that's a really good idea. It looks like the momentum is heading our way.
[23:44.800 --> 23:49.800]  And I'm all for it. And another comment I wanted to make.
[23:49.800 --> 23:55.800]  I have a friend that was down at the Capitol for some of these rallies to support the constitutional carry.
[23:55.800 --> 23:58.800]  And of course, there's the opposers there.
[23:58.800 --> 24:08.800]  And the one thing, one of the main opposition slogans that they have, they hold up signs that say, who's the bad guy?
[24:08.800 --> 24:12.800]  Which one is the bad guy? Okay. And this has to do with open carry.
[24:12.800 --> 24:21.800]  So one of their big beefs is if everyone, you know, or if there's a, you know, bunches of people running around with guns on their hips,
[24:21.800 --> 24:27.800]  how do you know which one is the bad guy? I mean, that to me is just the most ridiculous thing ever.
[24:27.800 --> 24:33.800]  And it's very simple. The good guy is going to be the one that's, you know, sitting down drinking their latte,
[24:33.800 --> 24:36.800]  and the bad guy is going to be the one that's trying to shoot you in your face.
[24:36.800 --> 24:45.800]  And that's exactly what my friend said. My friend said, how you know who the bad guy is, is which direction is his gun pointed?
[24:45.800 --> 24:56.800]  And the other comment I have to say about that is probably anyone who has their gun on their hip is not the bad guy
[24:56.800 --> 25:02.800]  because any bad guy is going to want to hide their weapon, okay,
[25:02.800 --> 25:06.800]  because they're fixing to do something with it that they're not supposed to.
[25:06.800 --> 25:13.800]  So which one is the bad guy? It's most likely someone where it looks like they don't have a gun.
[25:13.800 --> 25:18.800]  Okay. That's my answer to the question. So I strongly advocate the open carry for that reason alone
[25:18.800 --> 25:22.800]  because if somebody has a gun on their hip, they're probably not the bad guy.
[25:22.800 --> 25:25.800]  All right. So, Randy, you have a comment about this?
[25:25.800 --> 25:32.800]  Yeah. And you kind of covered it. The one who's pointing the gun at you, good chance he's the bad guy.
[25:32.800 --> 25:38.800]  The one pointing at the other guy, he's probably not your enemy. This is not rocket science.
[25:38.800 --> 25:42.800]  Yes. And if he's a bad guy, he's going to have a gun anyway, license or no license,
[25:42.800 --> 25:46.800]  and he's going to be pointing the gun in a nefarious direction.
[25:46.800 --> 25:49.800]  I was in the military and everybody had weapons.
[25:49.800 --> 25:55.800]  We never had that problem figuring out who to shoot at, who not to shoot at.
[25:55.800 --> 26:02.800]  That was not rocket science. So that argument is fallacious.
[26:02.800 --> 26:08.800]  It really is. It really is. It's trifling is what it is. Okay. It's trifling. All right.
[26:08.800 --> 26:17.800]  And it's just total inanity. I mean, it's kind of like this woman who's the mother of a child
[26:17.800 --> 26:22.800]  that got measles recently from out of a trip to Disney World or Disneyland or whatever,
[26:22.800 --> 26:27.800]  and she's bawling about how her child was vaccinated against measles,
[26:27.800 --> 26:31.800]  but her child got measles most likely from someone who was unvaccinated,
[26:31.800 --> 26:40.800]  and that's why everyone needs vaccines. What? It's like, hello, what have you been smoking, lady?
[26:40.800 --> 26:45.800]  It's kind of crazy. I mean, if your child has been vaccinated against measles,
[26:45.800 --> 26:49.800]  shouldn't your child be protected? Obviously, your child was not protected from the measles,
[26:49.800 --> 26:51.800]  or otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the measles,
[26:51.800 --> 26:57.800]  and you think that your child's going to be protected from the measles if everyone else gets vaccinated,
[26:57.800 --> 27:01.800]  even though your kid got vaccinated and your kid got the measles. Okay.
[27:01.800 --> 27:07.800]  This makes about as much sense as, you know, I don't know. It's just crazy.
[27:07.800 --> 27:12.800]  Anyways, sometimes people's logic just kind of blows my mind or their ill logic.
[27:12.800 --> 27:15.800]  And then one of the other bills that I want to mention, you know,
[27:15.800 --> 27:19.800]  before we get too far along is the concealed carry on campus.
[27:19.800 --> 27:22.800]  And there are two bills that have been filed for concealed carry on campus
[27:22.800 --> 27:29.800]  to allow CHL holders to carry a concealed handgun, concealed, of course, on the college campus.
[27:29.800 --> 27:34.800]  And there has been, you know, a lot of debate about this in the past, you know, years back,
[27:34.800 --> 27:39.800]  and, you know, the first thing that they will say is, well, is this about, you know, guns on campus?
[27:39.800 --> 27:44.800]  It's not about guns on campus. It's about CHL holders being able to conceal their firearm inside the building.
[27:44.800 --> 27:48.800]  Because right now, currently, the way the law is, with a concealed handgun license,
[27:48.800 --> 27:54.800]  you can already have a handgun concealed on you and walk down the street sidewalk, walkways, parking lots,
[27:54.800 --> 27:56.800]  or garages of a college campus.
[27:56.800 --> 28:02.800]  So that means that right now, the way the law is, as of today, this second, with a concealed handgun license,
[28:02.800 --> 28:06.800]  I can walk all the way through University of Texas campus with a handgun on me.
[28:06.800 --> 28:10.800]  As long as it's concealed, I can stay on the street sidewalks, walkways, parking lots, or garages.
[28:10.800 --> 28:12.800]  I just cannot go into the building.
[28:12.800 --> 28:21.800]  So what this bill is that we hope will pass the session this year is to allow CHL holders to carry inside the building.
[28:21.800 --> 28:29.800]  Now, Michael, would constitutional carry make this campus carry bill a moot point?
[28:29.800 --> 28:38.800]  Not necessarily, because what they can do actually is say that if you want to be on the college campus,
[28:38.800 --> 28:42.800]  you'll have to have a CHL. They can restrict it for certain areas.
[28:42.800 --> 28:48.800]  I see. Okay, so this is another instance where having a CHL would be advantageous.
[28:48.800 --> 28:55.800]  That is correct. Also, we also still have the federal law that says that you're not supposed to be within a thousand feet of a school.
[28:55.800 --> 28:59.800]  That's an elementary school, middle school, or high school within a firearms.
[28:59.800 --> 29:07.800]  So that means that the exception to that rule is going to be if you have a concealed handgun license from the state where you live or if you live within a thousand feet.
[29:07.800 --> 29:09.800]  That's going to be a federal law.
[29:09.800 --> 29:16.800]  So if you want the feds to come after you, you've got to have a CHL in the state that you live in order to be within so many footage of a school.
[29:16.800 --> 29:37.800]  I see. Okay. And actually, there is one other bill that I wanted to get your take on concerning some nullification bill that has to do with basically it would prohibit state law enforcement from assisting federal agents from enforcing federal firearms laws.
[29:37.800 --> 29:44.800]  And actually, there's some mixed feelings about that one. I have a question for you on that.
[29:44.800 --> 29:48.800]  So we'll get to that on the other side. This is the rule of law. Callers, I see you.
[29:48.800 --> 29:52.800]  I've gotten most of these screens so far for questions for Randy.
[29:52.800 --> 29:59.800]  So we'll take your calls after our guest, and we'll be right back. Call in if you have a question for Michael.
[29:59.800 --> 30:02.800]  Stop right there, young man. Are your hands clean?
[30:02.800 --> 30:09.800]  Crazy as it sounds, researchers have been lurking in public restrooms spying on people to make sure they wash their hands after using the facilities.
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[30:44.800 --> 30:51.800]  Researchers recently staked out public restrooms in four U.S. cities and found that only 15 percent of us failed to wash our hands before leaving.
[30:51.800 --> 30:57.800]  That's not bad compared to 2007, when nearly a quarter of people failed to address their hand hygiene.
[30:57.800 --> 31:04.800]  Women were the cleaner sex with 93 percent washing up compared to just 77 percent of men. Well, those statistics could use some improvement.
[31:04.800 --> 31:11.800]  I found the thought of people spending hours in dirty bathrooms watching and waiting while the rest of us go about our business downright bizarre.
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[33:30.800 --> 33:46.800]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[33:46.800 --> 33:50.800]  This is the Rule of Law, Rainey Kelton and Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[33:50.800 --> 33:52.800]  Eddie Craig's show is on Monday nights.
[33:52.800 --> 33:58.800]  And tonight we have our very special guest, Michael Cargill from Central Texas Gunworks.
[33:58.800 --> 34:07.800]  He is our primary sponsor of the fundraiser, giving away a Glock 42.3 caliber pistol and also two CHL classes as a second place prize.
[34:07.800 --> 34:10.800]  Now, folks, you don't have to be in Texas to win the Glock.
[34:10.800 --> 34:15.800]  You do have to be in Texas to win the CHL classes, but you don't have to be in Austin.
[34:15.800 --> 34:24.800]  If you're in Dallas or Houston or somewhere else in the state, you can still participate in the drawing for the CHL classes.
[34:24.800 --> 34:27.800]  You just have to travel to Austin to take those classes.
[34:27.800 --> 34:29.800]  So, folks, we really need your help.
[34:29.800 --> 34:32.800]  Please donate what you can.
[34:32.800 --> 34:35.800]  It's very much needed.
[34:35.800 --> 34:46.800]  I'll just give a quick, very brief story here about last night at Brave New Books, we had a fundraising event pharmacist, Ben Fuchs, a very close friend of mine.
[34:46.800 --> 34:56.800]  He's actually on the GCN network, was kind enough to fly out here from Boulder, Colorado on his own dime, paying all of his own expenses to give a talk at Brave New Books last night.
[34:56.800 --> 35:00.800]  For the fundraiser, okay, to promote the fundraiser.
[35:00.800 --> 35:06.800]  And we had Gary Hanna, one of the hosts on this network, About Your Health, was running the door.
[35:06.800 --> 35:12.800]  And I would estimate we had about 120 people come in there, which is pretty good for Brave New Books.
[35:12.800 --> 35:14.800]  I mean, the place is jammed.
[35:14.800 --> 35:21.800]  We had a total of about, I would say, maybe 20 people donated.
[35:21.800 --> 35:30.800]  Out of 120 people that came into Brave New Books for a fundraising event, only 20 people donated, something.
[35:30.800 --> 35:32.800]  That's pretty sad, folks.
[35:32.800 --> 35:34.800]  I mean, I have to be honest.
[35:34.800 --> 35:41.800]  Now, let's say we've had about, I would say we've had about 30 people donate so far, other than the people that came into Brave New Books.
[35:41.800 --> 35:46.800]  So let's say those 30 people were in the bookstore last night.
[35:46.800 --> 35:53.800]  Okay, so let's say we have 120 people, minus 20, minus 30 that had donated before.
[35:53.800 --> 35:55.800]  That's 70 people that didn't donate.
[35:55.800 --> 35:57.800]  I know for a fact that have not donated yet.
[35:57.800 --> 36:07.800]  Now, folks, listen, if each one of those people had given five bucks, even just $5, I could have met my goal last night.
[36:07.800 --> 36:11.800]  All right, so please don't despise the small donations.
[36:11.800 --> 36:14.800]  I know we have thousands of listeners.
[36:14.800 --> 36:25.800]  If everyone who's listening to my voice right now only gave me a dollar, I would be well over my goal right now to keep this network on the air.
[36:25.800 --> 36:35.800]  So, I mean, I'm going to get back to our guests in just a moment, but I have to pose the question to our listeners, are we doing something wrong?
[36:35.800 --> 36:42.800]  Okay, this fundraiser has not gone anywhere near as well as the last two fundraisers.
[36:42.800 --> 36:48.800]  Okay, and I'm not saying this as a guilt trip, but I'm posing the honest question.
[36:48.800 --> 36:53.800]  It really does make me wonder if we have failed you somehow.
[36:53.800 --> 36:57.800]  Okay, if we have failed you, if any of the hosts have failed you somehow,
[36:57.800 --> 37:06.800]  if we are not providing the top level of information and education that we strive to, please let us know.
[37:06.800 --> 37:10.800]  Okay, because we need your help to stay on the air.
[37:10.800 --> 37:13.800]  So don't just keep your mouth shut and keep your wallet shut.
[37:13.800 --> 37:24.800]  Okay, if we have failed you in some way, you need to let us know so that we can remedy and correct the situation because we rely on you all to stay on the air.
[37:24.800 --> 37:26.800]  I mean, we're not doing this for ourselves, folks.
[37:26.800 --> 37:28.800]  We're volunteers here.
[37:28.800 --> 37:33.800]  We're giving our time and our money to help you and provide you a service.
[37:33.800 --> 37:36.800]  All right, we're not just sitting here talking to ourselves.
[37:36.800 --> 37:40.800]  Okay, so this is a service for you all is the point.
[37:40.800 --> 37:46.800]  And so we need your support, but if we're not doing our job, then we need to know because we're here for you.
[37:46.800 --> 37:49.800]  So if we have failed you in any way, please let us know.
[37:49.800 --> 37:54.800]  If we have not failed you in any way, please give to the fundraiser because, like I said,
[37:54.800 --> 38:00.800]  if everyone who's listening to me right now only gave me $1, I would be well over my goal.
[38:00.800 --> 38:08.800]  I mean, I have to admit I was pretty crustfallen last night at what happened, but I am thankful for those who gave.
[38:08.800 --> 38:10.800]  So that was encouraging.
[38:10.800 --> 38:17.800]  But I mean, please, folks, we need your help in order for us to help you.
[38:17.800 --> 38:20.800]  Okay, so enough about that right now.
[38:20.800 --> 38:21.800]  Wait a minute.
[38:21.800 --> 38:28.800]  Would this not be a good time to mention Randy's Beer Fund?
[38:28.800 --> 38:31.800]  If you want to buy Randy a beer, of course, there's Randy's Beer Fund,
[38:31.800 --> 38:36.800]  but I'm likely going to confiscate Randy's Beer Fund in light of the way things have been going.
[38:36.800 --> 38:38.800]  Okay, we're going to get back to our guests now.
[38:38.800 --> 38:40.800]  All right, I want to pose this question.
[38:40.800 --> 38:48.800]  There's a bill also, another bill on the table here, the Nullification Bill, which basically, from my understanding,
[38:48.800 --> 38:52.800]  I had a conversation with a good friend of mine about this the other day, basically,
[38:52.800 --> 38:56.800]  and Michael has the bill in front of him so he can correct me if I'm wrong,
[38:56.800 --> 39:04.800]  but basically what it says is that it would prohibit state law enforcement
[39:04.800 --> 39:11.800]  from assisting federal law enforcement from enforcing federal firearms laws.
[39:11.800 --> 39:21.800]  Now, in theory, this sounds great, and there is a specific example I can give regarding felons, okay, convicted felons.
[39:21.800 --> 39:27.800]  I believe, and Michael can correct me if I'm wrong, I believe after five years of serving your time, being done,
[39:27.800 --> 39:29.800]  you can own a firearm again.
[39:29.800 --> 39:30.800]  That's state law.
[39:30.800 --> 39:35.800]  Now, according to federal law, if you're a convicted felon, you can never own a gun again, okay?
[39:35.800 --> 39:41.800]  So there's a discrepancy there, and so this Nullification Bill would protect people like that,
[39:41.800 --> 39:48.800]  and there are other issues, many other issues where it would protect firearm owners
[39:48.800 --> 39:57.800]  from any kind of encroaching or infringing, overbearing, draconian federal legislation of firearms laws.
[39:57.800 --> 40:02.800]  This is a good thing, but there's always a flip side, okay?
[40:02.800 --> 40:08.800]  It's a two-edged sword, so to speak, and something that my friend pointed out to me
[40:08.800 --> 40:15.800]  is that there is no protection in this Nullification Bill regarding issues like, say, for example,
[40:15.800 --> 40:24.800]  under federal firearms laws, there are protections for firearm owners who want to own certain types of
[40:24.800 --> 40:31.800]  high-powered silencers, like to silence a.50 cal, okay, to silence high-powered hunting rifles.
[40:31.800 --> 40:37.800]  There are protections, you know, and licensings for those types of silencers,
[40:37.800 --> 40:46.800]  and so if you take away every kind of interaction between state and feds regarding that issue,
[40:46.800 --> 40:55.800]  well, if the state can't enforce federal firearms laws, that means they can't enforce it at all, good or bad, okay?
[40:55.800 --> 40:59.800]  And so that means that they would lose the ability to have that kind of,
[40:59.800 --> 41:03.800]  for the state to enforce that kind of protection of owning silencers,
[41:03.800 --> 41:10.800]  and if the state passed any laws, if Texas passed any laws against those silencers,
[41:10.800 --> 41:13.800]  then there's nothing that could be done about it.
[41:13.800 --> 41:18.800]  And so what my friend was saying is that in theory the Nullification Law is excellent,
[41:18.800 --> 41:25.800]  but there needs to be some kind of caveat or some kind of protective mechanism in that Nullification Bill
[41:25.800 --> 41:35.800]  that would protect firearms owners as far as the same kind of protections that we have under federal firearms laws right now.
[41:35.800 --> 41:38.800]  We want to take away the bad stuff, but keep the good stuff, in other words.
[41:38.800 --> 41:43.800]  And so my friend talked to a lawyer of one of these groups that's supporting this bill,
[41:43.800 --> 41:49.800]  and the lawyer basically just, of course, gives the same kind of lawyerism, oh, well, that would never happen.
[41:49.800 --> 41:52.800]  Okay, yeah, it could happen.
[41:52.800 --> 41:55.800]  So go ahead, give us your take on this, Michael.
[41:55.800 --> 41:58.800]  And you never know what could happen because the tables could turn.
[41:58.800 --> 42:01.800]  Right now the Republicans are in charge in office.
[42:01.800 --> 42:04.800]  What happens if the Democrats take charge?
[42:04.800 --> 42:07.800]  Then those tables could turn a little bit.
[42:07.800 --> 42:08.800]  Exactly.
[42:08.800 --> 42:12.800]  And also keep in mind that you still have your gun stores, okay?
[42:12.800 --> 42:15.800]  So the gun stores are still controlled by the federal government.
[42:15.800 --> 42:17.800]  That's run by the ATF.
[42:17.800 --> 42:22.800]  So the gun stores will still have to follow the federal law.
[42:22.800 --> 42:25.800]  So when it comes to everything else, then that's totally different.
[42:25.800 --> 42:32.800]  And now I'm going to introduce Justin Delosch, who's the executive director of the Lone Star Gun Race,
[42:32.800 --> 42:35.800]  and he's going to tell you a little more about what he thinks about that.
[42:35.800 --> 42:36.800]  How are you guys doing?
[42:36.800 --> 42:38.800]  Hello. Thank you for joining us tonight.
[42:38.800 --> 42:40.800]  Can you give us your take on this?
[42:40.800 --> 42:46.800]  Yeah. I don't know how you would nullify federal laws and only allow one portion of it to actually work.
[42:46.800 --> 42:51.800]  I mean, first we're going to slap the federal government in the face with this bill,
[42:51.800 --> 42:54.800]  and then we're going to now ask them to help protect our rights at the same time.
[42:54.800 --> 42:57.800]  I think it has to start on a state level.
[42:57.800 --> 43:00.800]  If we're going to protect our rights, we need to submit bills here that would do that
[43:00.800 --> 43:03.800]  and not rely on the federal government to do it.
[43:03.800 --> 43:08.800]  Well, that is exactly what my friend was recommending,
[43:08.800 --> 43:13.800]  that there needs to be something in this nullification bill or some kind of another bill
[43:13.800 --> 43:19.800]  that's introduced alongside with it that would protect people who want to own these high-powered silencers,
[43:19.800 --> 43:23.800]  that that needs to be done at the state level.
[43:23.800 --> 43:26.800]  Of course, you have to take all or nothing.
[43:26.800 --> 43:29.800]  With the nullification, it's all or nothing, of course.
[43:29.800 --> 43:34.800]  He was not by any means recommending that we do something at the federal level
[43:34.800 --> 43:38.800]  or kind of cherry-pick what we want to throw out,
[43:38.800 --> 43:43.800]  but rather that basically it would be something that would be introduced at the state level.
[43:43.800 --> 43:44.800]  At any rate, we're going to break.
[43:44.800 --> 43:48.800]  I want to hear more of what Justin has to say on the next segment.
[43:48.800 --> 43:51.800]  We will be right back. This is the rule of law.
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[46:18.800 --> 46:19.800]  This is the Rule of Law.
[46:19.800 --> 46:24.800]  We are here now with Justin from, I'm sorry, can you say the name of your organization again?
[46:24.800 --> 46:26.800]  Yeah, I'm with Lone Star Gun Rights.
[46:26.800 --> 46:28.800]  Lone Star Gun Rights, excellent.
[46:28.800 --> 46:31.800]  Okay, and I know you guys are doing a lot of good work.
[46:31.800 --> 46:34.800]  I just wanted to make sure I said the name of your organization right.
[46:34.800 --> 46:38.800]  Okay, so yeah, of course, it's an all-or-nothing deal with the feds.
[46:38.800 --> 46:42.800]  You can't just kind of cherry-pick what you want to keep and all that sort of thing.
[46:42.800 --> 46:48.800]  You know, my friend's point basically was that, you know, there are some protections at the federal level right now.
[46:48.800 --> 46:53.800]  If we're going to kick the feds out altogether as far as the federal firearms laws,
[46:53.800 --> 46:59.800]  then we just need to be careful and, you know, institute, introduce, as it were,
[46:59.800 --> 47:04.800]  some legislation at the state level to protect these sort of things like the heavy, high-duty,
[47:04.800 --> 47:11.800]  high-powered silencers because we don't want that to be done away with here at the state level.
[47:11.800 --> 47:14.800]  So what is your take on that, Justin?
[47:14.800 --> 47:18.800]  Do we need to, is it your opinion, do we need to introduce legislation like this
[47:18.800 --> 47:21.800]  or do you think that that's not really necessary?
[47:21.800 --> 47:25.800]  I don't think we have to introduce legislation for that right now because let's keep in mind
[47:25.800 --> 47:30.800]  that after this session is over, we've got, what, 15, 16 months to kind of prepare for what's going to happen.
[47:30.800 --> 47:37.800]  Not to mention, I feel like we've got a way better chance of passing protective legislation
[47:37.800 --> 47:45.800]  than we do legislation that would infringe on our rights, if that makes sense.
[47:45.800 --> 47:47.800]  Okay, so...
[47:47.800 --> 47:51.800]  I guess what I'm saying is I think we have a better chance of passing legislation
[47:51.800 --> 47:58.800]  that's going to enforce our rights to own these devices, silencers, et cetera,
[47:58.800 --> 48:00.800]  use them for hunting and all that.
[48:00.800 --> 48:05.800]  I think we have a better chance of passing legislation in support of that versus against it.
[48:05.800 --> 48:10.800]  Oh, right, well, that was the whole point, that we want to pass legislation in support of that.
[48:10.800 --> 48:12.800]  Yeah, I don't think we need to do it this time around, though.
[48:12.800 --> 48:16.800]  I mean, because once we get out of this session, if that notification passes,
[48:16.800 --> 48:22.800]  we still have, like I say, we've got 15, 16 months until we get to the next election cycle.
[48:22.800 --> 48:24.800]  Okay, that's a good point.
[48:24.800 --> 48:26.800]  So it's something that we should maybe consider,
[48:26.800 --> 48:36.800]  but it's not something that we should be feeling like it's a hot topic that we need to do something about it right now.
[48:36.800 --> 48:40.800]  Yeah, not to mention we've got so much momentum going behind some of these other issues right now,
[48:40.800 --> 48:42.800]  like campus carry and constitutional carry.
[48:42.800 --> 48:47.800]  I'd hate to see us get too deluded and not focus on these huge issues,
[48:47.800 --> 48:50.800]  because if we get constitutional carry in Texas, that's going to be huge.
[48:50.800 --> 48:52.800]  Sure, of course, of course.
[48:52.800 --> 48:55.800]  And yeah, and there's not a whole lot of people that use those kinds of silencers,
[48:55.800 --> 49:01.800]  but I guess my friend is just concerned that doesn't want to see our rights getting infringed on,
[49:01.800 --> 49:07.800]  and he's just a little bit concerned that there's a door that could be opening in that direction.
[49:07.800 --> 49:10.800]  Absolutely. We should always be thinking about stuff like that.
[49:10.800 --> 49:16.800]  Yes, but this is something that we need to watch out for maybe coming down the pike and not right now is basically your take on it.
[49:16.800 --> 49:18.800]  Let's get this constitutional carry passed.
[49:18.800 --> 49:24.800]  I agree. I think that's great. Michael, what is your take on it?
[49:24.800 --> 49:30.800]  Oh, I agree 100 percent. Definitely focus on constitutional carry and concealed carry on campus.
[49:30.800 --> 49:35.800]  All right, fantastic. Randy, did you have comments?
[49:35.800 --> 49:40.800]  No, I agree with picking your battles very carefully.
[49:40.800 --> 49:45.800]  Right, and this may be an important battle because that was just one example.
[49:45.800 --> 49:50.800]  That was just one example, but if it's not something that's imminent,
[49:50.800 --> 49:54.800]  and like Michael said, things are looking good for us right now,
[49:54.800 --> 49:58.800]  but the tables could turn on the next election cycle if we get a bunch of Democrats in there,
[49:58.800 --> 50:01.800]  then that may be something we need to be concerned about.
[50:01.800 --> 50:09.800]  That's the only issue. Let's take care of the big stuff first. Absolutely.
[50:09.800 --> 50:11.800]  All right, awesome.
[50:11.800 --> 50:20.800]  So Michael, are there any other things going on as far as the gun rights world and legislation that you want to talk about?
[50:20.800 --> 50:24.800]  Anything at the federal level or anything going on with other states?
[50:24.800 --> 50:29.800]  Is there momentum in the rest of the country on this issue?
[50:29.800 --> 50:34.800]  No, that's really all we want to focus on right now because I want to keep people focused on Texas
[50:34.800 --> 50:37.800]  and what's happening in the Texas legislature.
[50:37.800 --> 50:44.800]  There are things that are going on in Washington State right now, but I really want to focus on Texas.
[50:44.800 --> 50:47.800]  Absolutely. So are there any events coming up?
[50:47.800 --> 50:50.800]  I know that there have been a couple of events at the Capitol.
[50:50.800 --> 50:52.800]  Are there any committee hearings?
[50:52.800 --> 50:59.800]  Oh yeah, you were going to talk about some of these bills are now about to go into committee.
[50:59.800 --> 51:00.800]  I'm sorry, say that one more time?
[51:00.800 --> 51:03.800]  You were saying that some of these bills are about to go into committee.
[51:03.800 --> 51:08.800]  Are there any dates, any events, committee hearings that people need to be aware of?
[51:08.800 --> 51:11.800]  Not as of yet. Nothing's been set yet.
[51:11.800 --> 51:17.800]  That stuff is popping up, but if they go to any of our Facebook pages, you can go to Lone Star Gun Rights.
[51:17.800 --> 51:19.800]  Okay, we're not on the air right now though, right?
[51:19.800 --> 51:20.800]  Oh yes, we're on the air, yes.
[51:20.800 --> 51:22.800]  Okay, I thought we were still on commercial break.
[51:22.800 --> 51:27.800]  You can go to Lone Star Gun Rights Facebook page or you can go to Open Carry.
[51:27.800 --> 51:30.800]  I'm sorry, you can go to Central Texas Gunner Works Facebook page.
[51:30.800 --> 51:33.800]  You can go to Come and Talk It Facebook page.
[51:33.800 --> 51:42.800]  And we will be posting those committee dates and times on Facebook and the social media.
[51:42.800 --> 51:45.800]  So definitely check that, check our Twitter pages and all that stuff
[51:45.800 --> 51:49.800]  because we're going to put that stuff out there and let you know exactly where we need you to be,
[51:49.800 --> 51:52.800]  who we need you to call, who's giving us a hard time right now.
[51:52.800 --> 51:55.800]  We need to focus on this state rep, this state senator,
[51:55.800 --> 51:58.800]  because this person right here is the person that's holding up our bill.
[51:58.800 --> 52:02.800]  So we will definitely let you know and give you their telephone number and let you blow their phones up.
[52:02.800 --> 52:04.800]  Excellent, excellent.
[52:04.800 --> 52:08.800]  Well, is there anything else that you guys want to discuss before I go to this caller
[52:08.800 --> 52:13.800]  who actually has a gun rights issue that we've been filing for quite some time?
[52:13.800 --> 52:16.800]  I think you all would find this quite pleasing.
[52:16.800 --> 52:17.800]  Oh no, not at all.
[52:17.800 --> 52:18.800]  Bring them on.
[52:18.800 --> 52:21.800]  Okay, this is our caller Jeff from Mississippi.
[52:21.800 --> 52:23.800]  And I have to hand it to Jeff.
[52:23.800 --> 52:28.800]  Jeff has been hanging in there for a long, long time, years.
[52:28.800 --> 52:31.800]  This case has been going on.
[52:31.800 --> 52:36.800]  I'll probably let Jeff summarize as well, but just a quick summary.
[52:36.800 --> 52:41.800]  He was living in some apartments close to campus.
[52:41.800 --> 52:47.800]  I believe it was some campus housing or campus-related housing, but it was not on campus.
[52:47.800 --> 52:52.800]  And I know how this works because UT here in Austin has this kind of thing.
[52:52.800 --> 52:59.800]  It's basically it's like for housing, for people who don't live on campus,
[52:59.800 --> 53:05.800]  it's like they help you get low rent housing for students, but it's not on campus.
[53:05.800 --> 53:08.800]  And I don't know if this was the same situation with Jeff or not,
[53:08.800 --> 53:12.800]  but basically he was living in an apartment that was not on campus and had a gun, okay?
[53:12.800 --> 53:15.800]  And he was perfectly allowed to do that, not a problem.
[53:15.800 --> 53:23.800]  Well, because it was some sort of related to campus housing, they ended up running him through the wringer
[53:23.800 --> 53:24.800]  for having a gun on campus.
[53:24.800 --> 53:28.800]  And he actually ended up getting convicted even though he fought it.
[53:28.800 --> 53:30.800]  He served jail time.
[53:30.800 --> 53:31.800]  He got out.
[53:31.800 --> 53:32.800]  He's been appealing it.
[53:32.800 --> 53:37.800]  And I think he has won his appeal, but there's still stuff going on with the case.
[53:37.800 --> 53:41.800]  And Jeff is just talking it to him, man.
[53:41.800 --> 53:47.800]  I mean, the case is somewhat complicated, so I haven't been able to I can't summarize it in full right now,
[53:47.800 --> 53:49.800]  but let's bring him on the air.
[53:49.800 --> 53:52.800]  Jeff, welcome to Rule of Law.
[53:52.800 --> 53:53.800]  Hi.
[53:53.800 --> 53:54.800]  Thanks for having me on the air.
[53:54.800 --> 54:01.800]  Jeff, why don't you summarize your case for us because I probably didn't do that good of a job just now,
[54:01.800 --> 54:03.800]  or a very limited job.
[54:03.800 --> 54:09.800]  Why don't you summarize your case for our guests here so that they can give you some kudos?
[54:09.800 --> 54:14.800]  Sure. First of all, I made my first court appearance four years ago.
[54:14.800 --> 54:21.800]  And so four and a half years ago, I was living on the campus of Mississippi State University
[54:21.800 --> 54:28.800]  and the housing department wrote me a letter and they called me and said that we're overcrowded with freshmen
[54:28.800 --> 54:34.800]  and we're having to kick you out and we're going to move we're moving the upperclassmen off campus.
[54:34.800 --> 54:40.800]  So they notified me that I was leaving and that I had to go to some apartments.
[54:40.800 --> 54:46.800]  And so I went over there and I had a an old bolt action rifle.
[54:46.800 --> 54:52.800]  So it wasn't a machine gun or I mean, it wasn't like an AK-47 or a high capacity pistol or anything.
[54:52.800 --> 54:59.800]  It was an old bolt action rifle with a solid plate that didn't even have a detachable magazine.
[54:59.800 --> 55:06.800]  But anyway, I was arrested, went to trial, and I actually hung the jury on the first trial.
[55:06.800 --> 55:13.800]  And then they convicted me on the second one because they kept saying that I had a sniper rifle and I could have killed 400 people.
[55:13.800 --> 55:16.800]  So I went to the state penitentiary for a year.
[55:16.800 --> 55:20.800]  And then I got out and actually won my appeal.
[55:20.800 --> 55:23.800]  Now, what state was this? Is this the Mississippi?
[55:23.800 --> 55:23.800]  Mississippi.
[55:23.800 --> 55:25.800]  Okay, okay.
[55:25.800 --> 55:33.800]  So I won my appeal and while I was out, I went over to the courthouse and I walked in and I picked up the land deed for the apartments.
[55:33.800 --> 55:39.800]  And it turns out that they are private property the whole time, but they never raised that issue in court.
[55:39.800 --> 55:44.800]  And my attorney, who I fired, never bothered to raise that either.
[55:44.800 --> 55:48.800]  So anyway, it turned out that the land title was private property.
[55:48.800 --> 55:56.800]  In my closing arguments during the second trial, I did argue that the prosecution does not have the land title here in the courtroom.
[55:56.800 --> 56:01.800]  And the prosecution answered back that he didn't have to have the land title.
[56:01.800 --> 56:06.800]  So after I got out of prison, I went and picked up the land title, said it was private property.
[56:06.800 --> 56:13.800]  And then I won my appeal, not based on the land title, but on ineffective assistance counsel.
[56:13.800 --> 56:17.800]  It then got remanded back to the circuit court.
[56:17.800 --> 56:21.800]  That's been a year ago and they've been postponing my trials ever since.
[56:21.800 --> 56:24.800]  Okay, so they want to retry the case.
[56:24.800 --> 56:32.800]  The appeals court remanded the case back to the trial court to retry the case because you had ineffective counsel.
[56:32.800 --> 56:33.800]  Exactly.
[56:33.800 --> 56:38.800]  Okay, and so this time you're going to do it right without the attorney.
[56:38.800 --> 56:41.800]  So continue, please.
[56:41.800 --> 56:43.800]  Well, and that's where I am right now.
[56:43.800 --> 56:47.800]  Right now they're playing games with me.
[56:47.800 --> 56:55.800]  They've got me going to the courthouse every three and four days and they keep canceling every trial or every motion here.
[56:55.800 --> 57:01.800]  Yes, and you have to travel to go to trial here and so they keep yanking you out of your job.
[57:01.800 --> 57:08.800]  And they do things like they want you to be in town for a full week before trial and all this madness, right?
[57:08.800 --> 57:14.800]  Yes, yeah, they just got through arresting me a couple of months ago because they wanted me to show up a week before the trial.
[57:14.800 --> 57:19.800]  I showed up a week before the trial and they arrested me anyway without a warrant and without a hearing.
[57:19.800 --> 57:20.800]  They're just messing with me.
[57:20.800 --> 57:25.800]  They're trying to say that you violated your bond and they're revoking your bond.
[57:25.800 --> 57:29.800]  Yeah, yeah, or failure to appear or something.
[57:29.800 --> 57:31.800]  They wanted to reset his bond.
[57:31.800 --> 57:33.800]  They wanted to reset the bond.
[57:33.800 --> 57:40.800]  Okay, this is the same trick that they pulled on a friend of mine here in Austin where he shows up for trial and they said,
[57:40.800 --> 57:45.800]  well, we don't have time to do your trial today because there's too many other people with a traffic ticket case.
[57:45.800 --> 57:51.800]  And so instead we're going to have a bond hearing and we're revoking your bond.
[57:51.800 --> 57:57.800]  And they like quadrupled the bond, which was totally against statute and everything else, but they just did it anyway.
[57:57.800 --> 58:02.800]  And because he didn't have the money to pay the bond right out of his pocket, they threw him in jail.
[58:02.800 --> 58:03.800]  That was a trick.
[58:03.800 --> 58:07.800]  So I've seen this kind of thing before.
[58:07.800 --> 58:11.800]  Okay, well, Jeff, let's hear more about the update when we get back on the other side.
[58:11.800 --> 58:13.800]  We're at the top of the hour.
[58:13.800 --> 58:17.800]  Jamie, Alex and others, we see you there.
[58:17.800 --> 58:18.800]  We are here.
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[01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:08.800]  In the news today, a program designed to record computer keystrokes
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[01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.800]  Researchers at the Kapursky Labs says the source code to the program
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[01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:42.800]  The defense had another difficult time on day eight of the Ross Ulbricht trial.
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[01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:56.800]  tying references to DPR having poison oak to emails from the same time period,
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[01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:15.800]  Okay folks, we are back.
[01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:17.800]  We're here with Jeff from Mississippi Caller.
[01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:22.800]  He has gone over the summary of his case and where he is at right now,
[01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:24.800]  and we still have our guests with us.
[01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:26.800]  They're going to be making commentary on this situation
[01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.800]  as soon as we're done answering Jeff's questions.
[01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:33.800]  But yes, it is absolutely just unfathomable.
[01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:37.800]  It's just mind-boggling that Jeff's lawyer did not raise this issue
[01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.800]  of the fact that this was not even campus housing.
[01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:42.800]  It was not even on campus.
[01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.800]  Had nothing to do with campus, period.
[01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.800]  They moved him out of campus housing because it was too crowded.
[01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:49.800]  Okay, this is ridiculous.
[01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:54.800]  And Randy and I were discussing just now in the break that the reason is
[01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.800]  because your attorney is your worst enemy.
[01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.800]  Okay, he's the one or she's the one you've got to look out for the most.
[01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.800]  I'd say probably even more than opposing counsel, all right,
[01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:06.800]  because they want to just sell you down the river.
[01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.800]  They just want to make deals with the prosecutor, et cetera.
[01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:14.800]  And they are there to make deals and further their own career.
[01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.800]  And as Randy put it so eloquently,
[01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:22.800]  they are there to make sure that you don't have anything
[01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:24.800]  that you can raise on appeal.
[01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:26.800]  And that just about nearly happened to Jeff.
[01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.800]  Jeff would not have had anything to raise on appeal,
[01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.800]  except all he had was ineffective counsel,
[01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.800]  most likely because of this issue about the campus housing.
[01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:39.800]  So he was able to appeal his case on ineffective counsel,
[01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:41.800]  but he couldn't appeal anything as far as the merits.
[01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:43.800]  So keep that in mind, people.
[01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:47.800]  Your attorney is there to make sure that you don't have an appeal.
[01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:48.800]  Right, Randy?
[01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.800]  He also used some tricks on them.
[01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:56.800]  You fire the attorney, you file all the motions you want filed,
[01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:58.800]  and then let him appoint another attorney.
[01:04:58.800 --> 01:04:59.800]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:01.800]  Because now you've got the motions in,
[01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:09.800]  and the lawyer, if he doesn't, if he tries not to adjudicate the issues,
[01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:11.800]  then you bar-grieve him.
[01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:12.800]  There you go.
[01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:13.800]  And as soon as you bar-grieve him,
[01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.800]  he's going to move the court to remove him from the case.
[01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.800]  And then you go to the court and tell the court,
[01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:21.800]  don't you dare remove him from that case.
[01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.800]  He's my counsel of choice.
[01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:26.800]  And the judge is going to remove him from the case.
[01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.800]  Now you get to sue the judge for interfering with the private contract.
[01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.800]  Yeah, because you can't file motions in your own case if you have a lawyer.
[01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:37.800]  So you got to kind of, there's a window there where you have to,
[01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.800]  you can only do it when you don't have a lawyer.
[01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:42.800]  So Jeff did pretty good getting all this stuff in there.
[01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.800]  Yes, good job, Jeff, so far.
[01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:45.800]  So Jeff, continue.
[01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.800]  Randy, you had some questions or you wanted to guide him?
[01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:52.800]  Jeff, you had another court date.
[01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:56.800]  What happened with this latest court date?
[01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:58.800]  Oh, I guess I should unmute him.
[01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.800]  There's not a soul there.
[01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:07.800]  Finally at 12, I actually knocked on the court's window and said,
[01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:10.800]  yes, I've been continued, right?
[01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.800]  And she said, oh, yes, you have been.
[01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:18.800]  And so they gave me a motion to continue, for continuance.
[01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.800]  My attorney emailed me and said that she could not be at that trial yesterday
[01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:31.800]  because she had another court date set and the judge would not let her go.
[01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:40.800]  So on my motion for continuance, my trial date was set on October the 31st.
[01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:50.800]  Her other trial that she postponed mine for was set on,
[01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.800]  I think it was November 26, 26 days later.
[01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:57.800]  So mine was set first.
[01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:02.800]  Her other trial is a divorce, looks like a husband and wife,
[01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:05.800]  and I'll read you this for the continuance.
[01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:08.800]  The prosaic motions filed, I'm sorry.
[01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.800]  Furthermore, the court is aware, counsel for the defendant has a trial setting
[01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:18.800]  in the Chancery Court of Lowndes County, Barksdale versus Barksdale,
[01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:20.800]  cause number something something.
[01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:25.800]  Honorable James Davidson, chancellor, refuses to continue the Barksdale matter
[01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:31.800]  and has advised counsel for the defendant that she must be present in his courtroom
[01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:40.800]  January 27, even though State versus Hill was set first.
[01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.800]  And anyway, I wanted to get your take on that.
[01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:51.800]  So that's even in, so you should file a judicial conduct complaint against the other judge.
[01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:53.800]  Okay, got it.
[01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.800]  That'll make him real unhappy.
[01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:58.800]  Okay.
[01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:06.800]  Now my judge allowed her to continue the case,
[01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:16.800]  because I have a court order from this judge that says that they can continue the case.
[01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.800]  My attorney allowed her continuance.
[01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.800]  And you should bill your attorney for your time.
[01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:25.800]  Okay.
[01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.800]  Can I judicial conduct grieve my judge also?
[01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:32.800]  Oh, yeah.
[01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:33.800]  Okay.
[01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:35.800]  So I can do both judges.
[01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:37.800]  Oh, absolutely, yeah.
[01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:42.800]  Your judge should have counseled with the other judge
[01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:47.800]  and notified him that this was a criminal matter and it stands before a family matter.
[01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.800]  And besides, this one was set first.
[01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:54.800]  This judge should have forced your trial to happen,
[01:08:54.800 --> 01:09:03.800]  because when the state sets it, the civil is set in conjunction with the two opposing counsels.
[01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:08.800]  A criminal is set by the state, and when they set it, they have a duty to be there.
[01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:13.800]  They're treating, they're putting your criminal issue below a civil issue.
[01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:15.800]  They're clearly harassing you.
[01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:19.800]  You should start going for the RICO suit.
[01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:20.800]  Okay.
[01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:26.800]  Now, I have been, these motions that I've been getting for these orders for continuance,
[01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:35.800]  several years ago I used to get them, and it would say this cause came in on for hearing on motion.
[01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:37.800]  Now they're not doing it.
[01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.800]  They're just spitting out a piece of paper and handing it to me,
[01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:43.800]  and it just has the judge's signature on it.
[01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:45.800]  Have you read the code?
[01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.800]  The code in Texas requires a hearing.
[01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:50.800]  Okay.
[01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:54.800]  The only thing that I could find in Mississippi are, it says,
[01:09:54.800 --> 01:10:00.800]  motions in other paper, an application to the court for an order shall be made by motion,
[01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.800]  which, unless made during a hearing or trial, shall be made in writing,
[01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.800]  shall state with particularity the grounds therefor,
[01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.800]  and shall set forth the relief or order sought.
[01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:13.800]  Okay. That's great.
[01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:18.800]  The requirement of writing is fulfilled if the motion is stated
[01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:24.800]  in a written notice of the hearing of the motion.
[01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:25.800]  Now, what does that mean?
[01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:26.800]  Okay.
[01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:32.800]  That means that the notice and the motion itself can be one document,
[01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.800]  and that occurs in other states.
[01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:41.800]  You get a motion that is titled notice of motion,
[01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.800]  but it has the notice of motion and the motion in one document.
[01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:46.800]  That's all that means.
[01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:54.800]  You need to look at continuance because in Texas, continuance has a specification.
[01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:59.800]  There has to be an affidavit by the filer filed in the record,
[01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:01.800]  and there has to be a hearing.
[01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:02.800]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:03.800]  That's right.
[01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:07.800]  And listen, before we run out of time this segment, Jeff,
[01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:11.800]  if you have anything else about the details, we can go over that on the next segment.
[01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.800]  But I just wanted to go back to our guests real quick before our guests have to go
[01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.800]  and get their take on what Jeff has been through so far.
[01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.800]  And Michael, what do you think about all this?
[01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.800]  And also, we need a little shameless self-promotion.
[01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:25.800]  Yes, shameless self-promotion.
[01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:27.800]  Please go ahead, Michael.
[01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:30.800]  I'm just going to tell him to continue on with what he's doing.
[01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:33.800]  Keep your eye on the prize and don't let him get you down.
[01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:38.800]  You know you're innocent, so make sure you continue forward and fight, fight, fight.
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[01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:13.800]  My name is Michael Cargill.
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[01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:27.800]  And Justin, you wanted to plug a petition that you have going to support some of these bills.
[01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:29.800]  Can you please tell us about that?
[01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.800]  Yeah, we've got a constitutional carry petition running.
[01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.800]  We've already dropped off our first batch of 15,000 on the first day of session.
[01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:40.800]  It doesn't seem like that happens very often.
[01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:43.800]  They were very surprised to see us come into their offices with those.
[01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.800]  But the petition is at LoneStarGR.com.
[01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:48.800]  There's a menu on my website.
[01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:52.800]  Click the menu and look for HB 195 Petition.
[01:12:52.800 --> 01:13:00.800]  So if you support constitutional carry out there and you want to see it get passed, help us be your voice.
[01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:01.800]  All right.
[01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:02.800]  Thank you very much, gentlemen.
[01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:04.800]  We really appreciate you being on the air tonight.
[01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:07.800]  What do you think about Jeff's fight here, Justin?
[01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:09.800]  Oh, I think it's crazy.
[01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:14.800]  I mean, I know stuff like this happens all the time, but, you know, it sounds like a clear and cut case to me.
[01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.800]  You know, he wasn't on the property, so he had every right to have that rifle.
[01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:18.800]  Absolutely.
[01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.800]  And it has just been one thing after another the way that they've set him up.
[01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:28.800]  Even his own attorney has been in on the shenanigans.
[01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:31.800]  Basically, she even lied to the news media.
[01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:37.800]  They told Jeff to show up, and the court was closed, but he knew it was going to be closed.
[01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:39.800]  So he brought someone with him.
[01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:42.800]  And, of course, his attorney wasn't there, so there was witnesses.
[01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:49.800]  And then she told the news media that she showed up, and he wasn't there, and that was a lie.
[01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:55.800]  And the whole reason for it was because they wanted to nail Jeff for failure to appear, and it didn't work.
[01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.800]  So even his own attorney tried to set him up for failure to appear.
[01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:01.800]  Unbelievable.
[01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.800]  Amazing and hard to believe.
[01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:06.800]  All right.
[01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:08.800]  Well, gentlemen, we are about to go to break here soon.
[01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:15.800]  Do you all have anything else that you want to add before you all need to say good night?
[01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:16.800]  No.
[01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:21.800]  Just keep an eye on the news about this constitutional carry, and there's going to be a lot of stuff coming up.
[01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:22.800]  All right.
[01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:23.800]  Excellent.
[01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:24.800]  Thank you very much.
[01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:31.800]  Jeff, you have anything to add here about your case, or you want to say something to our guests here?
[01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:33.800]  Well, thank you so much.
[01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:38.800]  I've gone for so long without any friends, I mean, other than Randy and you guys on the show,
[01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:45.800]  but otherwise it's been a very lonely fight, so it sure feels good to have people standing behind me.
[01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.800]  Well, we absolutely do.
[01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.800]  Well, it's nice to have someone like Jeff.
[01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:59.800]  The one thing the courts have the most trouble with is the guy that will just keep coming at them.
[01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:06.800]  They do all this garbage they do, and generally people get burned out and they quit.
[01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:12.800]  The one that keeps at them, the courts are going to run out of things they can do,
[01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:16.800]  then things are going to start turning back against them.
[01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:23.800]  Yeah, and Randy, one thing that I wanted to consider here, and of course, Jeff, you need to look at this in your state,
[01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.800]  but you may want to look at the speed trial issue.
[01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:33.800]  They're just dragging this on and on and on, and it could be that speed trial may not apply since this is a retrial,
[01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:39.800]  but I would think that there would have to be some provisions for speedy trial protection, even though it's a retrial,
[01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.800]  because what are they going to do, just string you along for years and years and years, forever and ever,
[01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:52.800]  making you show up and spend two weeks in this city that you don't live in, for how many years, once a month?
[01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.800]  I mean, there's got to be some speedy trial protections here.
[01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:56.800]  Randy, don't you think?
[01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:03.800]  Yes, and I was suggesting that you go after the due process issue in the federal court.
[01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:07.800]  You take the state to the Fed and the Fed to the state.
[01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:08.800]  Right.
[01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:14.800]  Here, the Feds are not going to be quite so agreeable with all of these shenanigans,
[01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:19.800]  especially when they're really outrageous, and they got somebody that didn't quit,
[01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:29.800]  that didn't lay down and roll over for them, and didn't let his lawyer screw him out of his due process,
[01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.800]  because Jeff's been taking on the lawyers as well.
[01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:34.800]  All right, folks, we are going to break.
[01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.800]  Jeff, do you have anything else for us?
[01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:42.800]  No, I've got a hearing tomorrow, and I will email Randy and let him know how to quit.
[01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:48.800]  Absolutely, and please call back in on Monday and next Thursday and let us know, okay?
[01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:52.800]  All right, folks, we will be back and continue to take your calls.
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[01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.800]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.800]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.800]  And we are going to continue to take your calls.
[01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:38.800]  We have a first-time listener, first-time caller to the show, just started listening tonight.
[01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:44.800]  And he found us, Randy, because he was watching some of the videos, the Infowars videos,
[01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:49.800]  and he found one of your videos when you were a guest on Alex Jones' show.
[01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:54.800]  So man after my own heart, I love listening to Alex Jones' show.
[01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:57.800]  So we are going to go to our first-time listener here.
[01:19:57.800 --> 01:19:59.800]  We've got Ken from Tennessee.
[01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:01.800]  Ken, thank you for joining us tonight.
[01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:02.800]  Sure.
[01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:03.800]  Thanks for taking the call.
[01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:06.800]  So what is your question or comment for us tonight?
[01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:11.800]  So I was in court today, in Chancery Court, and the judge just ate me for lunch.
[01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.800]  It was a terrible experience.
[01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:17.800]  And I'm just wondering what I need to do.
[01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:24.800]  The grand jury's meeting on Monday, and I've been reading up after listening to Randy talk about the grand jury,
[01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:25.800]  and I want to go talk to them.
[01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:29.800]  And I'm wondering, they say there's an application process when I called in,
[01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:37.800]  but I'm just wondering, you know, any advice that Randy or you have for me about trying to see the foreman on Monday?
[01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:38.800]  Okay.
[01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:42.800]  I was interested you should ask that question.
[01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:53.800]  I was at the district court in the county I live in today and had informed the court that I was there to challenge the grand jury pool
[01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:56.800]  before the grand jury was in panel.
[01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:58.800]  Oh, wow.
[01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:02.800]  And the judge denied me the opportunity.
[01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:11.800]  And after the hearing, I noticed him that I was here to challenge the pool.
[01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:14.800]  Well, Mr. Kelton, you should have done it right.
[01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:15.800]  I said, well, that's interesting, Judge.
[01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.800]  Just what is right?
[01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:19.800]  Well, that's for you to find out.
[01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:20.800]  I said, well, good.
[01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:21.800]  That's why I'm here.
[01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:24.800]  He did exactly what I wanted to in this.
[01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:30.800]  I was trying to keep from grinning at him because this particular judge hates me.
[01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:37.800]  I only filed one terroristic threat complaint against him with the attorney general.
[01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:39.800]  Got all huffy puffy.
[01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:44.800]  But he did not do what I asked him to do.
[01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.800]  And I was pleased by that.
[01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:52.800]  It's important you understand that part.
[01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:59.800]  If you're dealing with these courts and you're dealing with prosecutors and judges,
[01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:05.800]  never ask a public official to do anything you actually want them to do
[01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:11.800]  because you never ask a public official to do anything
[01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:16.800]  that the law does not specifically require him to do.
[01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:21.800]  The first thing you have to do is read the code.
[01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:24.800]  Yes, I've been seeing a lot of code in the last couple of weeks.
[01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:26.800]  It's not as big a job as you think.
[01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.800]  The first time you read it, don't try to make sense of all of it.
[01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:32.800]  All it'll do is give you a headache.
[01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.800]  And it has to do with the way it's put together.
[01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:39.800]  It's not put together like a book where you start from one place
[01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:44.800]  and you go to the next place and then the next place.
[01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:49.800]  Codes are put together over years and years and years.
[01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:51.800]  All of your law is in the public law.
[01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:57.800]  And then the states will hire a publisher to go through all of these public laws
[01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:04.800]  and sort them out into categories and make me up a code.
[01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:06.800]  I think that's the one I'm using.
[01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:09.800]  It's searchable and put together.
[01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:16.800]  Yeah, so because you have statutes in the front that refer to things
[01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:20.800]  that don't make sense until you read statutes in the back.
[01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:21.800]  So read the whole thing.
[01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:22.800]  Just read through it.
[01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:23.800]  Don't try to understand it.
[01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:24.800]  Don't even worry about it.
[01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:26.800]  Just read through it and go back.
[01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.800]  So my question that I have about it is,
[01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:33.800]  so I'm being sued by my ex-wife for some child support,
[01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:35.800]  and I've actually paid it all.
[01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:37.800]  And I have documentation that I've paid it all.
[01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:41.800]  And I tried to submit that early, and they were like, just bring it to the judge.
[01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:46.800]  And so when I talked to the VA for the pretrial talk where they go over the money,
[01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:48.800]  they figured out how much money they thought I owed.
[01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:51.800]  Then she asked me if I was okay with the amount, and I said no.
[01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:52.800]  And she asked if I had any documentation,
[01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:56.800]  and I produced a sworn statement from the last time they did this.
[01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.800]  And I think my ex-wife had forgotten that she had claimed something different.
[01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.800]  And so they had those two inconsistent statements.
[01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.800]  And they took my ex-wife off, talked to her,
[01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.800]  and they came back and they said, listen, let's just make it a zero deal.
[01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.800]  And it turned out that her audit were paid by $550.
[01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:16.800]  And so I asked the lady, I said, if I take the zero deal,
[01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:18.800]  will the perjury be on record?
[01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:20.800]  Will these two statements go into the record?
[01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:24.800]  Because it's important for my children that they understand, you know.
[01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:30.800]  And so I insisted on seeing the judge since I wanted it to be on the record.
[01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:33.800]  And all the paperwork went in, I think.
[01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:35.800]  And then so the judge looks at everything.
[01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:36.800]  We both take a stand.
[01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:39.800]  And it's obvious that my wife perjured herself, my ex-wife,
[01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:41.800]  because the two statements are in the record.
[01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:43.800]  And she claims she had forgotten.
[01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:46.800]  And the judge goes off to rule and comes back.
[01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:49.800]  And I'm thinking, well, she'll probably say zero, you know.
[01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.800]  And she may say something about the perjury, the obvious perjury or whatever.
[01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:57.800]  And she looked at my ex-wife and me, and she said, you know,
[01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.800]  it looks like I'm going to have to use the previous statement,
[01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.800]  because it's probably the accurate one, referring to the two.
[01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.800]  And then she said, but did you know there's a statute
[01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:09.800]  that you could claim interest on the arrearage,
[01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:12.800]  and that would more than cover this, and you'll be a few thousand dollars ahead.
[01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:14.800]  Would you like for me to do that for you?
[01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:15.800]  And I can do a judgment.
[01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:16.800]  And my mouth dropped.
[01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:18.800]  I was like, oh my God, what do I do?
[01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:20.800]  I didn't know.
[01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:25.800]  And so I'm waiting on the judge to calculate up the amount that they say that I owe.
[01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:29.800]  I feel like she's getting rewarded for lying on the stand about it.
[01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.800]  You know what I mean?
[01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:34.800]  Okay.
[01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:37.800]  Are you asking me for some specific advice here?
[01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:41.800]  Because it would be hard, because we're in the middle of something,
[01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:48.800]  and I don't have all of the pieces.
[01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:57.800]  Generally, all I can tell you is, because you've been through a family in all case,
[01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:02.800]  in order for the judge to rule in your favor,
[01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:09.800]  you have to enter evidence in the court in accordance with the rules of evidence.
[01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:14.800]  Just because you say something in the court doesn't put it before the court.
[01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:15.800]  Yes, understood.
[01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.800]  And that was the point of why I wanted to make sure those two documents,
[01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.800]  the original document went into the record,
[01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:25.800]  and it became a piece of evidence now in the file.
[01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:26.800]  The judge looked at it.
[01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:27.800]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:29.800]  Did you have counsel?
[01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:30.800]  I did not.
[01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:31.800]  Okay.
[01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:33.800]  That's probably why they screwed you around.
[01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:34.800]  Okay.
[01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.800]  One thing to keep in mind.
[01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:44.800]  Your only purpose in the trial court is to set the record for appeal.
[01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:49.800]  Don't worry about what the chump judge does in the trial court.
[01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:53.800]  You're just there to set the record for appeal.
[01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:57.800]  This is where cases are won on appeal, not in the trial court.
[01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:00.800]  Sometimes somebody's going to win in the trial court,
[01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:04.800]  but it's like tossing a coin.
[01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.800]  The law and the facts don't matter.
[01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:12.800]  You will never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.800]  You will win the case if you have the politics on your side.
[01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:21.800]  And if you're in there, per se, you have the politics dramatically against you.
[01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:23.800]  Yes, I felt that way.
[01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:26.800]  When I realized that it wasn't going to go my way,
[01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:30.800]  I looked around and realized, oh, this doesn't feel like justice.
[01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:33.800]  I have this perjured testimony and I've paid up everything,
[01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:37.800]  and she found a loophole in the law that I'm going to have to pay you like five more thousand dollars.
[01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:41.800]  It just felt so wrong that the judge could do that.
[01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:42.800]  Okay.
[01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:45.800]  I looked down and there was writing that talked about perjury.
[01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:48.800]  There was quoting the state law there on the witness stand.
[01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:50.800]  That felt so ironic.
[01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:58.800]  Well, you can't prosecute them for perjury if they recant the perjury
[01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:03.800]  before the perjurious statement becomes obvious,
[01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:08.800]  before it's apparent that the perjury will come out if you recant.
[01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:16.800]  But if you wait until it's obvious that the perjures are there and then you recant, that's too late.
[01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:22.800]  But the thing is, this is the civil trial court.
[01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:26.800]  Criminal is a whole different animal.
[01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:32.800]  So what I suggest you do is prepare criminal accusations of aggravated perjury,
[01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:37.800]  prepare charges against the judge for subordinating perjury,
[01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:41.800]  and file those with your local grand jury.
[01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:47.800]  Yes. And so give me advice about how do I approach that? How do I go to see them?
[01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:53.800]  Okay. I haven't read the code in Tennessee, but I do have someone in Tennessee.
[01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:57.800]  And from what he's given me about the Tennessee grand jury,
[01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:03.800]  a grand jury will sit to hear complaints by private citizens.
[01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:09.800]  So you make up the complaint and see what a grand jury thinks about the judge's shenanigans.
[01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:13.800]  And that's what I thought. I thought it would cause her at least a judge in my favor
[01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:16.800]  to judge back to zero and just let it go if she knew I was talking.
[01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:17.800]  But it's an interesting thing.
[01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:21.800]  The county clerk is supposed to make a posting of the grand jury meeting times
[01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:25.800]  and the name of the grand jurors and everything, of the foreman.
[01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:27.800]  And I looked at the documents and it was very subtle,
[01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:32.800]  but I noticed something very interesting in the Tennessee code.
[01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.800]  Okay. Hold on. Hold on. We're about to go to break.
[01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:40.800]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
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[01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.800]  That's not bad compared to 2007,
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[01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:00.800]  Women were the cleaner sex with 93 percent washing up
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[01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:04.800]  Although statistics could use some improvement,
[01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.800]  I found the thought of people spending hours in dirty bathrooms
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[01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:18.800]  not because the bathroom police are watching.
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[01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:13.800]  Yeah, who you want to chip?
[01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:14.800]  Who you take me for?
[01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:15.800]  Free Tolley?
[01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:16.800]  Who you want to chip?
[01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:17.800]  I know Free Tolley.
[01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:18.800]  You can't chip me.
[01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:20.800]  Almost there.
[01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:23.800]  All of them chip you in the morning, chip you in the evening.
[01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:25.800]  Put a chip in your body.
[01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:29.800]  And then when you go computer reading, you can't hide me from nobody.
[01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:33.800]  When you say, chip in your mom, chip in your daddy.
[01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:35.800]  Chip in your grandpa and the granny.
[01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:37.800]  Chip in me, chip in your baby.
[01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:40.800]  Chip in your family, whole family.
[01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:42.800]  Chip in your dog and the cat around me.
[01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:45.800]  Chip in the beef and you still go eat it.
[01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:47.800]  Chip in the fish, they're all in the sea.
[01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.800]  Chip in the shark and the whale around me.
[01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:52.800]  You see mankind gone too crazy.
[01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.800]  They're collecting and they want to read it.
[01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.800]  Social security, they're going to tell me.
[01:33:57.800 --> 01:33:59.800]  Number when they give me, they'll rip it up you see.
[01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:01.800]  Okay, we are back.
[01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:03.800]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Our Radio,
[01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:06.800]  and we're talking to Ken in Tennessee.
[01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:09.800]  Ken, the problem I'm having
[01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.800]  is you're a first-time listener.
[01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:16.800]  And from what you've said so far,
[01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.800]  it's clear that you are,
[01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:24.800]  you lack a level of knowledge and understanding that you need.
[01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:28.800]  Yes, I felt that today. Oh, man.
[01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.800]  It's hard for me to start in the middle
[01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:34.800]  and have this make sense to you.
[01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.800]  If you will listen tomorrow night,
[01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:43.800]  I will start out with a little treatment of due process
[01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:48.800]  and a treatment of basically how to handle yourself
[01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:50.800]  when you go to court.
[01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:53.800]  There's some basic things to understand,
[01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:55.800]  and the first thing is you'll never win your case
[01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:58.800]  just because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:00.800]  To think so is naive.
[01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:04.800]  You'll only win your case if you have politics on your side.
[01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:11.800]  And then next, the only purpose, the only, what the, I'm sorry,
[01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:16.800]  the duty of the trial judge is to determine the facts
[01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.800]  in accordance with the rules of evidence,
[01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:24.800]  then apply the law as it comes to him to the facts in the case.
[01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.800]  You can give him the most convincing arguments
[01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:31.800]  and compelling reasons why he should rule in your favor,
[01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:36.800]  but if you don't give him facts and the laws it applies to those facts,
[01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:38.800]  he can agree with you.
[01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:42.800]  He can sympathize with you, but he cannot rule in your favor.
[01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.800]  Primary thing most proceeds don't understand
[01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:47.800]  about how the courts actually work.
[01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:50.800]  The judge will sit there and listen to you and nod
[01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:52.800]  like he's paying attention,
[01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:55.800]  but you're not giving him anything he can rule on
[01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:58.800]  if you don't give him facts and law.
[01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.800]  Third, your only purpose in the trial court
[01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:03.800]  is to set the record for appeal.
[01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:06.800]  Always expect the judge to rule against you,
[01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:10.800]  so don't be upset or feel betrayed or mistreated
[01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:12.800]  when the judge rules against you.
[01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:13.800]  Don't worry about it.
[01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.800]  You're just setting it up for appeal.
[01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:18.800]  There's a lot more to it than that,
[01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:22.800]  but it's not so terribly difficult
[01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:25.800]  that we can get through most of this in one night.
[01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:29.800]  We have a whole different perspective on how to go about
[01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.800]  protecting and adjudicating your rights.
[01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:40.800]  My whole purpose is to get folks like you educated and up to speed
[01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.800]  so we can get to the part that's a lot of fun
[01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:47.800]  when you start going back after them.
[01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:52.800]  We'll talk about the difference between a public servant
[01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.800]  and the master of those servants.
[01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:58.800]  So I've got a bunch of other callers tonight.
[01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:01.800]  Tomorrow's a four-hour show, so we have more time?
[01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.800]  Yes, I'll definitely tune in and listen to the first part,
[01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:07.800]  and if there's not a lot of callers perhaps I can call back.
[01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:09.800]  That would be great. Thank you.
[01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:11.800]  Randy, thank you so much.
[01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:16.800]  Okay, now we're going to go to Jamie in Arizona.
[01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:19.800]  Hello, Jamie, what do you have for us tonight?
[01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:24.800]  Hello, I'm actually in Arkansas, not Arizona.
[01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.800]  Oh, I'm sorry, that's AR, not AZ. I'm brain dead.
[01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:29.800]  That's okay. That's okay.
[01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:33.800]  What I've done is drink way too much of this peppermint tea.
[01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:38.800]  Oh, I'm a huge fan of peppermint tea myself. I understand.
[01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:43.800]  Okay, what do you have for us today?
[01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:49.800]  Okay, I also have a divorce proceeding, but I'm in the beginning of it,
[01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:51.800]  and there are no kids.
[01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:56.800]  There are no assets to be divided.
[01:37:56.800 --> 01:38:04.800]  The problem, I'm in Arkansas and my husband is residing in Kansas,
[01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:08.800]  which is where we lived during the marriage.
[01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:16.800]  Okay, is this a mutually agreed on divorce or is it a contentious divorce?
[01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:20.800]  We agree that we want to divorce, but beyond that,
[01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:26.800]  we seem to have some pretty significant disagreements,
[01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:35.800]  mainly regarding the debts that were accrued during the marriage.
[01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:38.800]  Wait a minute, I didn't understand that.
[01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:43.800]  What's the disagreement? It's not about property issues?
[01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:47.800]  No, it's not property, it's debt.
[01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:49.800]  Is there children?
[01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:50.800]  No, no children.
[01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:55.800]  No children. Okay, so you have some disagreement.
[01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:59.800]  What is primarily the disagreement?
[01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:08.800]  Okay, he sent me the summons and voluntary entry of appearance
[01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:15.800]  and petition for divorce, and there are a number of errors,
[01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:18.800]  including the spelling of my name in the documentation,
[01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:22.800]  but the main issue that I'm concerned about is at the end of it,
[01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:28.800]  he put on a list of his debt obligations from his credit report.
[01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:37.800]  There are no dates to indicate that any of this occurred during the marriage,
[01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:42.800]  and specifically, the nature of the debts that are listed,
[01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:48.800]  some are things like student loans that were obviously just to him,
[01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:57.800]  a judgment for $5,000 to him for the university he was attending.
[01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:04.800]  And the main thing that I'm really concerned about is there is a judgment from rent
[01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:09.800]  that was unpaid during the marriage for the amount of $25,000.
[01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:16.800]  Okay, so what this is about is the apportionment of the debt.
[01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:17.800]  Exactly.
[01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:18.800]  Okay.
[01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:20.800]  That's my primary concern.
[01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:26.800]  Well, okay, what is the question concerning the apportionment?
[01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:30.800]  Okay, so the list of debts that he put on here,
[01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:34.800]  Kansas and Arkansas both say do 50-50,
[01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:42.800]  and what I'm not really clear on is what debts are considered relevant,
[01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:53.800]  and I do not think it is reasonable for me to be expected to pay half of his student loans or...
[01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:54.800]  Okay.
[01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:59.800]  Did he attend school while you were married?
[01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:01.800]  He was...
[01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:05.800]  Okay, let me rephrase the question.
[01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:10.800]  Did he accrue these debts while you were married?
[01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:11.800]  Yes.
[01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:12.800]  Okay.
[01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:15.800]  They're going to split them.
[01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:21.800]  They're going to say the fact that he went to school while you were married
[01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:27.800]  would benefit you, therefore the cost you'll owe half of.
[01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:31.800]  Any benefit he makes in higher wages you're going to benefit from.
[01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:34.800]  So they're going to say you're going to have to pay half of it.
[01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:38.800]  But there may be a whole different way to go about this.
[01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:40.800]  Despite the fact that he's unemployed
[01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:46.800]  and has been nearly continuously throughout the marriage?
[01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:48.800]  That's not going to matter.
[01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:49.800]  Okay.
[01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:53.800]  But there's another way to go about this.
[01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:58.800]  You might look at, go onto the Logos Radio Network site
[01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.800]  and look up the Michael Mears method.
[01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:06.800]  It's a blue banner.
[01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:10.800]  He'll show you how to make all those debts go away.
[01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:11.800]  Okay.
[01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:14.800]  Then they're not an issue.
[01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:21.800]  Is that including debts that were judgments that I was never notified on
[01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:26.800]  and therefore had no opportunity to review or dispute?
[01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:29.800]  How old are the judgments?
[01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:32.800]  There are no dates on here.
[01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:35.800]  So I don't know how old the judgments are.
[01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:36.800]  Okay.
[01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:44.800]  The problem with judgments is what the court will construe is if they,
[01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:51.800]  were you two at the time legally separate?
[01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:53.800]  Technically we're not legally separated now.
[01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:55.800]  We are simply legally separate.
[01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:56.800]  Okay.
[01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.800]  Then what they're going to say is if this is a married couple
[01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:07.800]  and one member of the marriage was given notice, the couple was given notice,
[01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:12.800]  generally they want to notice both parties,
[01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:15.800]  but they're not going to overturn a judgment
[01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:19.800]  because your husband didn't give you notice.
[01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:21.800]  They're going to say that was his duty.
[01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:22.800]  He had notice.
[01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:27.800]  So the other side, when they give proper notice to one of the parties,
[01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:31.800]  is that if they're married, both parties are noticed.
[01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:32.800]  Okay.
[01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:34.800]  So you probably won't win that one.
[01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:35.800]  Hang on.
[01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:36.800]  We'll be right back.
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[01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:24.800]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:27.800]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:33.800]  We are speaking with Jamie in Arkansas, and I wanted to put my two cents in here
[01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:37.800]  because I have seen this happen in other people's lives around me.
[01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:41.800]  I've had to assist them with matters such as this.
[01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:46.800]  And yes, the Mike Mears method is absolutely valid and spot-on.
[01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:50.800]  It's 100% of the time it does work for clearing up credit report
[01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:53.800]  and getting rid of debt collectors and creditors and harassing you
[01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:56.800]  and making them go away permanently and paying you to do so.
[01:46:56.800 --> 01:47:00.800]  But aside from that, back to the situation at hand, Jamie,
[01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:07.800]  regarding a divorce and splitting up assets and debt.
[01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:13.800]  Ultimately, and I don't really want to advise somebody to go against a court order,
[01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:17.800]  but here's the reality of the situation.
[01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:23.800]  When there's a divorce and the court, in a divorce case,
[01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:30.800]  orders that a mortgage be split up or say somebody's going to get the mortgage
[01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:36.800]  and the house or something like that or credit card debts to be split in half
[01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:40.800]  or whatever, to be honest, from a legal perspective,
[01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:43.800]  that's just a gentleman's agreement.
[01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:48.800]  It honestly means absolutely nothing.
[01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:50.800]  The debt collectors don't care about that.
[01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:52.800]  The creditors don't care about that.
[01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:56.800]  The mortgage companies, the lenders don't care about that.
[01:47:56.800 --> 01:48:03.800]  Whoever signed to borrow the money is ultimately responsible, period.
[01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:08.800]  It does not matter one iota what kind of ruling in a divorce court
[01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:12.800]  comes down about splitting up the debt, period.
[01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:14.800]  End of story.
[01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:20.800]  So if all the debt is his, if he's signed for the credit card, he is responsible.
[01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:23.800]  It doesn't matter what the divorce judge says.
[01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:25.800]  That's all there is to it.
[01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:30.800]  The debt collectors and the creditors have a claim against him, not you,
[01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:35.800]  as long as your signature was not on the documents, the original documents,
[01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:40.800]  to apply for the credit card or to apply for the loan if it's a student loan
[01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:45.800]  or to take out the mortgage if it's for a house or whatever,
[01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:48.800]  as long as your signature is not on any of that paperwork,
[01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.800]  you are not liable to those companies.
[01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:53.800]  End of story, period.
[01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:58.800]  Now, your ex-husband or soon-to-be ex-husband may have a claim against you.
[01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:01.800]  Let him sue you.
[01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:03.800]  I mean, this is ridiculous.
[01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:08.800]  I have seen people nearly get, their whole lives get ruined in situations
[01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:17.800]  where the husband had his name solely, only, on the house,
[01:49:17.800 --> 01:49:22.800]  on the mortgage, property was in his name, and the divorce,
[01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:25.800]  the wife ended up getting the house,
[01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:29.800]  and the judge ordered her responsible for what was left of the mortgage.
[01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:33.800]  Well, she just lived in the house and didn't pay anything.
[01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:35.800]  Well, guess whose credit got ruined?
[01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:37.800]  Guess who got the judgment?
[01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:38.800]  The ex-husband.
[01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:43.800]  It nearly ruined his life, okay, and it took a lot to get out of it
[01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:46.800]  because there was nothing that could be done.
[01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:48.800]  Her name was not on the paperwork.
[01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:50.800]  It's just a gentleman's agreement.
[01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:55.800]  That's all it is, and the original lenders, the original creditors,
[01:49:55.800 --> 01:50:00.800]  could care less what these divorce courts say about splitting up the debt, okay?
[01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:04.800]  That is the reality of the situation, and so, like I said,
[01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:09.800]  I don't want to overtly advise anyone to go against a court order,
[01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:14.800]  but hey, if you didn't sign the paper to the lender, you're not responsible.
[01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:15.800]  That's all there is to it.
[01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:21.800]  The absolute worst that could happen, really, honestly, is that you could be,
[01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:24.800]  I guess, you know, there's a one in a billionth of a chance
[01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:28.800]  that you could be held in contempt of court for not actually paying,
[01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:30.800]  for not going along with a court order.
[01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:35.800]  The likelihood of that happening is, I mean,
[01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:41.800]  it's probably a billionth of a chance of getting struck by lightning, okay?
[01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:43.800]  That's about the chance of it's going to happen.
[01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:47.800]  Nothing happened to this woman who totally screwed over this guy, okay,
[01:50:47.800 --> 01:50:50.800]  with the house, all right, nothing, okay?
[01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:54.800]  And so I would not be that concerned about that.
[01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:58.800]  I mean, I suppose your ex-husband could sue you, okay,
[01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:02.800]  come back and sue you and get a judgment against you in a civil court,
[01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:06.800]  a regular civil court, not a divorce court, but a regular civil court,
[01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:10.800]  and if he had that judgment, I guess, technically,
[01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:14.800]  he could put a claim on any property you own or, you know,
[01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:18.800]  show up with a constable and start hauling off furniture or something like that.
[01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:22.800]  The likelihood of that happening is pretty nil, all right?
[01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:24.800]  So that's my take on it.
[01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:27.800]  If it's not in your name, I just wouldn't even worry about it.
[01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:31.800]  And if it is in your name, then there are ways to get rid of that debt
[01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:34.800]  and get rid of the bad scores on your credit report.
[01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:38.800]  There's even ways to get a judgment out of your credit report
[01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:40.800]  through the Mike Maris method.
[01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:42.800]  It happens in out-of-court settlement.
[01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.800]  What happens is you set them up for a federal lawsuit
[01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:47.800]  under the Fair Credit Reporting Act
[01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:50.800]  and under the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act,
[01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:54.800]  and you hold their feet to fire in federal court.
[01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:56.800]  Most of the time, you don't even have to show up in court.
[01:51:56.800 --> 01:52:00.800]  Most of the time, they'll settle out of court with you before it even gets to court.
[01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:03.800]  You draft up the lawsuit, you set them up for the lawsuit,
[01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:05.800]  you set them up for their liability,
[01:52:05.800 --> 01:52:09.800]  and then you draft up the lawsuit and the violations keep adding up,
[01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:12.800]  and then you send them the tort letter with the draft suit.
[01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:14.800]  Most of the time, you don't even actually have to sue them.
[01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:16.800]  This works 100% of the time.
[01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:18.800]  I've done it, okay?
[01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:21.800]  And then as part of the out-of-court settlement,
[01:52:21.800 --> 01:52:24.800]  because they will eventually come to the table,
[01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:28.800]  they will eventually cry uncle and settle with you out of court
[01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:34.800]  so that you will drop the federal lawsuit against them under the FCRA and DCPA.
[01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:37.800]  And as part of the settlement agreement, you say,
[01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:42.800]  okay, I'll drop the suit against you if you pay me such and such amount
[01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:47.800]  and if you remove the judgment out of my credit report.
[01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:51.800]  You have a judgment against me from a state court case.
[01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:55.800]  You remove that judgment out of my credit report and void the judgment.
[01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:58.800]  You file a document in that case voiding the judgment,
[01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.800]  get that judgment out of my credit report,
[01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:03.800]  and then I'll drop the lawsuit against you in federal court.
[01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:05.800]  And they will do it, okay?
[01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:07.800]  They will do it.
[01:53:07.800 --> 01:53:10.800]  And that's all explained in the Mike Mears method.
[01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:11.800]  So that's my take on it.
[01:53:11.800 --> 01:53:13.800]  I would not even be concerned about this at all.
[01:53:13.800 --> 01:53:16.800]  Let me make a comment here.
[01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:21.800]  The debt collectors always do it wrong.
[01:53:21.800 --> 01:53:23.800]  Now, they know they're doing it wrong,
[01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:26.800]  but they make a lot of money doing it wrong.
[01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:30.800]  Every once in a while, somebody comes along and stings them for it.
[01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:34.800]  Well, it's a cost of doing business.
[01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:38.800]  And the beauty of the Mike Mears method is it takes advantage
[01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:43.800]  of the knowledge that they always do it wrong.
[01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:46.800]  So you might go look at that.
[01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:52.800]  If the debts come back to you, you have a way to make them go away.
[01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:55.800]  Okay, you had a comment?
[01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:59.800]  Yeah, I have actually a couple of questions.
[01:53:59.800 --> 01:54:03.800]  One is, in my reply, I mean,
[01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:09.800]  should I put all of my debts that just apply to me on that,
[01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:14.800]  or does it matter?
[01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:19.800]  Okay, from this perspective,
[01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:24.800]  you want the judge to order him to pay half of all your debts
[01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:27.800]  unless the judge is going to look at your debts
[01:54:27.800 --> 01:54:30.800]  and if they kind of balance out,
[01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:33.800]  he's going to say everybody paid it wrong.
[01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:39.800]  Yeah, and keep in mind, if the judge orders him to pay half of your debts,
[01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:42.800]  don't take that to the bank, okay?
[01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:44.800]  Don't rely on that.
[01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:48.800]  You're ultimately responsible for still paying those monthly bills,
[01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:50.800]  and just because he doesn't do that,
[01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:53.800]  guess whose credit report is going to get slammed?
[01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:54.800]  Yours.
[01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:56.800]  Again, it's a gentleman's agreement.
[01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:01.800]  Yeah, but if you can get the judge to order him to pay part of yours
[01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:05.800]  and he doesn't know any better and he pays it, you win.
[01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:10.800]  And you can go to the Mike Mears method and make all yours go away.
[01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:12.800]  Okay.
[01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:17.800]  But you can probably count on it if you both have debt
[01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:22.800]  and they're not grossly disproportional to one another,
[01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:26.800]  the judge is going to just tell everybody pay their own.
[01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:28.800]  Okay, okay.
[01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.800]  I think I've got the debt part down.
[01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:36.800]  The paperwork that he sent me on the filing,
[01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:38.800]  my name is spelled incorrectly
[01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:44.800]  and it's spelled incorrectly in such a way that it will...
[01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:53.800]  Okay, unless, if they sent the document to you
[01:55:53.800 --> 01:56:00.800]  and the facts of the case are clearly facts concerning your case,
[01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:03.800]  the fact of a clerical error or a typo
[01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:07.800]  or even somebody getting the wrong name on the document,
[01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:13.800]  they're going to consider that an unsproutonk, a correctable error
[01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:16.800]  and it won't be fatal at all, it'll just...
[01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:19.800]  Nonesproutonk is where you go in and say,
[01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:22.800]  there's an error we need to correct, they'll just correct it.
[01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:24.800]  I know there's a lot of people out there saying
[01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.800]  if they don't spell your name exactly right
[01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:29.800]  and it's not you and blah, blah, blah,
[01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:32.800]  no, the courts are not going to do that.
[01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:33.800]  Okay.
[01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:36.800]  Yeah, they won't deny somebody their remedy
[01:56:36.800 --> 01:56:41.800]  because of a minor technical error that's readily correctable.
[01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:46.800]  There are some flaws that are fatal,
[01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:51.800]  but they're not just typos or spelling errors.
[01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:57.800]  They go to filing time dead limits and something a lot more serious.
[01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:00.800]  Something more along the lines of process.
[01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:03.800]  Yes, and be careful about...
[01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:09.800]  Make sure you have a way to win an argument before you bring it up.
[01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:10.800]  Okay.
[01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:13.800]  Process can get away with that,
[01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:17.800]  but it's really going to annoy the judge.
[01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:20.800]  We don't want to annoy the judge.
[01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:25.800]  If it's a minor point and this is hard for people in contentious divorces
[01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:27.800]  because there's a lot of emotion there,
[01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:31.800]  it's hard to just ignore a minor point.
[01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:32.800]  Okay.
[01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:37.800]  I'm actually fine as long as it's not going to mess up my name change.
[01:57:37.800 --> 01:57:38.800]  Exactly.
[01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:39.800]  It's not you.
[01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:44.800]  The first thing you do is decide at the end of the day,
[01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:49.800]  what would I consider to be a win
[01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:53.800]  and what would I consider to be a draw?
[01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:57.800]  Keep those in mind all the time.
[01:57:57.800 --> 01:57:58.800]  You don't know where you're going.
[01:57:58.800 --> 01:57:59.800]  You'll wind up somewhere else,
[01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:04.800]  and this will protect you from picking the wrong fights.
[01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:07.800]  We are about out of time,
[01:58:07.800 --> 01:58:10.800]  but tomorrow night we have a four-hour show.
[01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:11.800]  Think about this.
[01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:14.800]  If you have some more questions, call us back in tomorrow night.
[01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:18.800]  I'm going to start the show tomorrow with some due process stuff
[01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:20.800]  based on an earlier caller,
[01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:27.800]  and I'll give you some idea of how to go about handling these folks.
[01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:28.800]  Thank you.
[01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:29.800]  Thank you very much, Jamie.
[01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:32.800]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:37.800]  We'll be back tomorrow night on our four-hour info marathon,
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