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[03:46.000 --> 03:48.000] Okay, this is... [03:48.000 --> 03:50.000] I forgot what I was doing. Howdy, howdy. [03:50.000 --> 03:52.000] Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, [03:52.000 --> 03:54.000] we're with my radio [03:54.000 --> 03:56.000] and on this [03:56.000 --> 03:58.000] Thursday [03:58.000 --> 04:03.000] the 25th of September already [04:03.000 --> 04:06.000] and we're gonna have the phone lines open all night [04:06.000 --> 04:09.000] so if you have a question or a comment [04:09.000 --> 04:10.000] give us a call [04:10.000 --> 04:14.000] 512-646-1984 [04:14.000 --> 04:16.000] I had a guest plan tonight [04:16.000 --> 04:19.000] but was unable to get them connected [04:19.000 --> 04:22.000] so I was gonna talk about [04:22.000 --> 04:24.000] politics [04:24.000 --> 04:26.000] and let's make a deal [04:26.000 --> 04:28.000] I've been doing this show for a long time [04:28.000 --> 04:30.000] and I've been helping people with [04:30.000 --> 04:33.000] foreclosure issues for quite a while [04:33.000 --> 04:35.000] and [04:35.000 --> 04:38.000] I've helped over 600 people [04:38.000 --> 04:40.000] get into court [04:40.000 --> 04:44.000] to address foreclosure issues [04:44.000 --> 04:46.000] but for the most part [04:46.000 --> 04:49.000] if you are a [04:49.000 --> 04:51.000] lender, a borrower [04:51.000 --> 04:54.000] and especially if you are pro se [04:54.000 --> 04:58.000] you're gonna lose in court [04:58.000 --> 05:02.000] it makes no difference what the law is [05:02.000 --> 05:04.000] makes no difference [05:04.000 --> 05:05.000] what the facts are [05:05.000 --> 05:08.000] the courts are going to rule against you [05:08.000 --> 05:10.000] I don't know if they've been bought and paid for [05:10.000 --> 05:13.000] but they certainly act like it [05:13.000 --> 05:17.000] and because of that [05:17.000 --> 05:21.000] in the process of doing this it's become clear that [05:21.000 --> 05:24.000] trying to deal with a totally corrupt court [05:24.000 --> 05:27.000] at least with the expectation [05:27.000 --> 05:32.000] that the court will rule fairly [05:32.000 --> 05:35.000] is a pipe dream at this point [05:35.000 --> 05:37.000] it's not nice to bring up a problem like that [05:37.000 --> 05:39.000] unless you have some kind of solution [05:39.000 --> 05:41.000] and I do [05:41.000 --> 05:44.000] for quite a while we've been [05:44.000 --> 05:49.000] talking about how everything is political [05:49.000 --> 05:52.000] and realistically everything is political [05:52.000 --> 05:54.000] a lot of people [05:54.000 --> 05:58.000] when they get out of school they've been [05:58.000 --> 06:04.000] given this impression that we are a land of law [06:04.000 --> 06:08.000] and that you can trust and depend on the law as a matter of fact [06:08.000 --> 06:10.000] that is a requirement of House Bill 72 [06:10.000 --> 06:13.000] the education reform bill pushed through by Ross Perot [06:13.000 --> 06:17.000] it was touted as a [06:17.000 --> 06:19.000] legislation to end social promotions [06:19.000 --> 06:22.000] and that was the second half of the act [06:22.000 --> 06:24.000] the first half of the act said [06:24.000 --> 06:26.000] the school shall instill in the child [06:26.000 --> 06:29.000] a deep and abiding faith in and respect [06:29.000 --> 06:32.000] for the American form of government [06:32.000 --> 06:36.000] and pretty much they did that [06:36.000 --> 06:41.000] but for the most part what they told us was simply untrue [06:41.000 --> 06:45.000] they told us that the law applied [06:45.000 --> 06:51.000] and that if you stood on law that you would win your case [06:51.000 --> 06:55.000] and I think anybody who has been before the courts [06:55.000 --> 07:01.000] have found out that that is simply not true [07:01.000 --> 07:07.000] so, you know, we can wail in righteous indignation [07:07.000 --> 07:11.000] and jump up and down and complain about the [07:11.000 --> 07:15.000] injustice of it all but that's not going to change the way things are [07:15.000 --> 07:17.000] and the way things always have been [07:17.000 --> 07:22.000] what we need to understand is simply [07:22.000 --> 07:28.000] how to get all of that nonsense we learned in high school out of our heads [07:28.000 --> 07:34.000] and learn to understand how it really works [07:34.000 --> 07:42.000] and what I found is a much more effective way to address [07:42.000 --> 07:46.000] any judicial circumstance [07:46.000 --> 07:51.000] is with mediation [07:51.000 --> 07:54.000] is with compromise [07:54.000 --> 07:57.000] I know they taught us in school that the law is absolute [07:57.000 --> 08:01.000] you have your rights and they have to abide by your rights [08:01.000 --> 08:06.000] well, that's not how it really works [08:06.000 --> 08:11.000] the law and your rights are negotiating to treat them as anything else [08:11.000 --> 08:14.000] the courts will walk right over you [08:14.000 --> 08:17.000] so what I've been suggesting to people [08:17.000 --> 08:19.000] and what I've been crafting [08:19.000 --> 08:24.000] is a different way of thinking about litigation [08:24.000 --> 08:28.000] if you go in there with the intention of winning [08:28.000 --> 08:34.000] and you set no further goal or will accept nothing less than winning [08:34.000 --> 08:37.000] you're almost always going to lose [08:37.000 --> 08:42.000] if you have an expectation that the courts will be fair and honest [08:42.000 --> 08:47.000] you will come away with that expectation dashed [08:47.000 --> 08:55.000] and it's not necessarily that the courts are not fair and honest [08:55.000 --> 09:02.000] but if we go before the court expecting the court to be fair and honest in all cases [09:02.000 --> 09:11.000] and we believe that our particular claim is just and fair [09:11.000 --> 09:16.000] then if the judge rules anything other than what we believe is just and fair [09:16.000 --> 09:22.000] we get the perception that the courts are dishonest or corrupt [09:22.000 --> 09:28.000] so I'm in a position to where I don't know if they are actually totally corrupt or not [09:28.000 --> 09:30.000] I know they appear to be that way [09:30.000 --> 09:39.000] except on rare occasions you hear about a judge actually appearing to disseminate justice in a fair manner [09:39.000 --> 09:44.000] but for the most part we come away with the impression that they don't [09:44.000 --> 09:50.000] and my point is this may simply be in large part an impression [09:50.000 --> 09:55.000] and we need to adjust our thinking [09:55.000 --> 10:00.000] before you go into a court situation [10:00.000 --> 10:11.000] you might sit down and objectively consider what could well be an acceptable outcome [10:11.000 --> 10:17.000] what would be the best outcome, what would be the worst outcome [10:17.000 --> 10:23.000] and what is an outcome somewhere in between that if I could achieve it [10:23.000 --> 10:28.000] that at least I would not lose [10:28.000 --> 10:39.000] we really need to get past this idealistic expectation that the law is going to be on our side [10:39.000 --> 10:47.000] we talked about the family courts and we hear so much about how corrupt the family courts are and how unjust the judges are [10:47.000 --> 10:53.000] I have evidence of some incredible injustice but however [10:53.000 --> 10:58.000] how does a judge make both parties happy? [10:58.000 --> 11:07.000] it's my opinion that if a family court judge does his job right for a contentious divorce that gets to the court [11:07.000 --> 11:09.000] neither side is going to be happy [11:09.000 --> 11:15.000] and in most other situations when the judge does the best job that's exactly what happens [11:15.000 --> 11:19.000] neither side is happy because neither side got everything they want [11:19.000 --> 11:24.000] so to fix that, decide what would be an equitable outcome [11:24.000 --> 11:28.000] ask for more than you want [11:28.000 --> 11:35.000] then be willing to negotiate back to what would be an equitable outcome if not perfect [11:35.000 --> 11:38.000] and this changes the whole dynamic [11:38.000 --> 11:45.000] when you go to a lawyer and ask them to take your case, they're looking at your case as if they can win [11:45.000 --> 11:48.000] they're not going to take your case if they don't think they can win [11:48.000 --> 11:56.000] and I'm setting up a program now dealing with foreclosures where I don't care if I win or not [11:56.000 --> 11:59.000] I'm not going to court to win [11:59.000 --> 12:06.000] I'm going to court to bring the other side to the negotiating table [12:06.000 --> 12:10.000] so that we can sit down and find an outcome that both of us can live with [12:10.000 --> 12:14.000] not necessarily that both of us will be happy with [12:14.000 --> 12:19.000] but that we both can live with because if we don't do that [12:19.000 --> 12:26.000] the only one that's going to come away from the table of winner is going to be the lawyers [12:26.000 --> 12:31.000] and if you've been in a case, you know how that works [12:31.000 --> 12:39.000] if you've been in a contentious divorce case, it seems clear that the lawyers have a tacit agreement with one another [12:39.000 --> 12:47.000] that we will churn this case until we've extracted everything we can from this couple's estate [12:47.000 --> 12:52.000] and then we'll allow them to come together and mediate some kind of deal [12:52.000 --> 12:56.000] but only after we've extracted all the money we can from them [12:56.000 --> 12:58.000] that's what it's really about [12:58.000 --> 13:06.000] and if the parties came to the table not with an expectation of getting everything they want [13:06.000 --> 13:10.000] or getting what they consider to be a fair outcome [13:10.000 --> 13:15.000] because most of the time a fair outcome is the outcome where I win [13:15.000 --> 13:19.000] if I lose it's not fair [13:19.000 --> 13:25.000] and it's really easy for lawyers to bring us to the table with that notion, that idea [13:25.000 --> 13:27.000] so we keep paying them money [13:27.000 --> 13:30.000] and then when we run out of money then they tell us the real deal [13:30.000 --> 13:33.000] the other way you're going to get out of this is to make this deal [13:33.000 --> 13:38.000] so before you get into a situation, if it's foreclosure or whatever [13:38.000 --> 13:43.000] you're more likely to come out with a positive outcome in a foreclosure situation [13:43.000 --> 13:50.000] if you merely use the lawsuit as a bargaining chip [13:50.000 --> 13:53.000] everything should be considered a bargaining chip [13:53.000 --> 13:58.000] and recently we had a lawyer in Houston I was talking to [13:58.000 --> 14:03.000] and told her that I want to talk, I want to offer you a deal [14:03.000 --> 14:09.000] see if you can get the bank to take it because I don't want to have this big lawsuit and this big fight [14:09.000 --> 14:11.000] and she said would you suit us? [14:11.000 --> 14:17.000] oh yeah I knew that but I just did that so I could find out the right person to talk to [14:17.000 --> 14:20.000] I tried to find out who it was and everybody just smart mouthed me and blew me off [14:20.000 --> 14:23.000] so I didn't know who to talk to, the only way to find out was to sue them [14:23.000 --> 14:28.000] if you'll agree to sit down and negotiate with me in good faith [14:28.000 --> 14:32.000] I'll non-suit this suit tomorrow [14:32.000 --> 14:37.000] and she said well I will certainly agree to that the next day I non-suit it [14:37.000 --> 14:42.000] the next lawyer I talked to about that told him the same thing and he said yes but [14:42.000 --> 14:46.000] you could refile it at any time I said yes I could [14:46.000 --> 14:49.000] but I'm going to have to pay the filing fees again [14:49.000 --> 14:57.000] you know I'm willing to risk two or three hundred bucks on you that you will negotiate in good faith with me [14:57.000 --> 15:01.000] are you willing to risk a little time to see if we can negotiate a deal? [15:01.000 --> 15:03.000] he said that's fair enough [15:03.000 --> 15:08.000] and if we can bring the other side to the table [15:08.000 --> 15:17.000] we can almost always between us negotiate something that both sides can live with [15:17.000 --> 15:23.000] without emptying our pockets into the pockets of the lawyers [15:23.000 --> 15:29.000] so just as a way of thinking about things [15:29.000 --> 15:34.000] everything's political and in court especially in a foreclosure issue [15:34.000 --> 15:37.000] the politics are against you [15:37.000 --> 15:42.000] the judges make a lot of money and they're able to pay their mortgage every month [15:42.000 --> 15:45.000] and they don't have to worry about getting fired next week [15:45.000 --> 15:48.000] so they tend to get pretty smug and arrogant [15:48.000 --> 15:52.000] and think if I can pay my mortgage every month why can't you? [15:52.000 --> 15:58.000] and you're just here trying to get out of paying your mortgage [15:58.000 --> 16:07.000] if you go into the court, file suit, and the first thing you do is ask the judge to order mediation [16:07.000 --> 16:14.000] now the other side can come to the table and negotiate and not lose face [16:14.000 --> 16:20.000] and they're on the dime because now the judge is looking over their shoulder [16:20.000 --> 16:24.000] the judge has got more work than he can get to [16:24.000 --> 16:30.000] and if you screw around with this guy and force me to sit and hear all these motions and pleadings [16:30.000 --> 16:32.000] I am not going to be happy with you [16:32.000 --> 16:34.000] everything's political [16:34.000 --> 16:36.000] okay, when we come back we have a bunch of calls [16:36.000 --> 16:38.000] we'll go to our callers [16:38.000 --> 16:41.000] this is Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Blued by Radio [16:41.000 --> 16:45.000] I call in number 512-646-1984 [16:45.000 --> 16:48.000] we'll keep the phone lines open all night [16:48.000 --> 16:56.000] taking questions on mortgage or criminal or about anything that's within the parameters of our show [16:56.000 --> 16:58.000] thank you for listening, we'll be right back [17:00.000 --> 17:04.000] through advances in technology our lives have greatly improved [17:04.000 --> 17:06.000] except in the area of nutrition [17:06.000 --> 17:09.000] people feed their pets better than they feed themselves [17:09.000 --> 17:11.000] and it's time we changed all that [17:11.000 --> 17:17.000] our primary defense against aging and disease in this toxic environment is good nutrition [17:17.000 --> 17:22.000] in a world where natural foods have been irradiated, adulterated, and mutilated [17:22.000 --> 17:25.000] young Jevity can provide the nutrients you need [17:25.000 --> 17:29.000] Logos Radio Network gets many requests to endorse all sorts of products [17:29.000 --> 17:31.000] most of which we reject [17:31.000 --> 17:34.000] we have come to trust young Jevity so much [17:34.000 --> 17:39.000] we became a marketing distributor along with Alex Jones, Ben Fuchs, and many others [17:39.000 --> 17:43.000] when you order from logosradionetwork.com [17:43.000 --> 17:47.000] your health will improve as you help support quality radio [17:47.000 --> 17:50.000] as you realize the benefits of young Jevity [17:50.000 --> 17:52.000] you may want to join us [17:52.000 --> 17:55.000] as a distributor you can experience improved health [17:55.000 --> 17:57.000] help your friends and family [17:57.000 --> 17:59.000] and increase your income [17:59.000 --> 18:00.000] order now [18:00.000 --> 18:05.000] are you being harassed by debt collectors with phone calls, letters, or even lawsuits? 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18:49.000] or email michaelmears at yahoo.com [18:49.000 --> 18:52.000] that's ruleoflawradio.com [18:52.000 --> 18:57.000] or email m-i-c-h-a-e-l-m-i-r-r-a-s at yahoo.com [18:57.000 --> 19:00.000] to learn how to stop debt collectors now [19:00.000 --> 19:11.000] you are listening to the Logos Radio Network, the Logos Radio Network dot com [19:11.000 --> 19:34.000] music [19:34.000 --> 20:00.000] music [20:00.000 --> 20:05.000] okay we are back Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio [20:05.000 --> 20:12.000] and we're gonna go to calls we're gonna go to Angie in Missouri [20:12.000 --> 20:16.000] hello Angie what do you have for us today [20:16.000 --> 20:22.000] I have a wrong foreclosure right now I am a pro-day litigant [20:22.000 --> 20:28.000] I was just listening where he said you were lose as a pro-day litigant [20:28.000 --> 20:39.000] yet we always lose in the end but you can keep them from winning for a number of years [20:39.000 --> 20:46.000] and while I said you'll always lose the vast majority do in the end [20:46.000 --> 20:51.000] but then again when we talk to people about the foreclosure issue [20:51.000 --> 20:54.000] we're straight up about that you know the courts could rule against us [20:54.000 --> 20:59.000] but it'll take them if we do our job right it'll take them four or five years to get that done [20:59.000 --> 21:09.000] okay but then again it's not it's not a hundred percent you could win the whole thing [21:09.000 --> 21:15.000] if you're careful and adjudicate the thing correctly it takes a lot of knowledge [21:15.000 --> 21:20.000] I have a site up free mortgage help dot net it's not in the best shape [21:20.000 --> 21:23.000] but I've been tied up with other things so I hadn't had time to press it out [21:23.000 --> 21:29.000] but it's got a lot of information on it and it has a list of things that should be done first [21:29.000 --> 21:36.000] what is the current condition of your mortgage [21:36.000 --> 21:42.000] I have been foreclosed on evicted I have a lawsuit [21:42.000 --> 21:53.000] okay you're already out of the property what are the causes of action in your lawsuit [21:53.000 --> 21:55.000] repeat the question please [21:55.000 --> 22:00.000] what are the causes of action in your lawsuit [22:00.000 --> 22:05.000] will I believe the transfer will I know the assignments were transferred illegally [22:05.000 --> 22:11.000] hold on hold on hold on that was kind of a trick question [22:11.000 --> 22:18.000] if you can't specifically tell me what the causes of action are [22:18.000 --> 22:22.000] you clearly have a problem with your lawsuit [22:22.000 --> 22:30.000] now you may be able to fix how long has the lawsuit been in place [22:30.000 --> 22:37.000] well I had one and I ended it and now I'm starting as opposed they did it again [22:37.000 --> 22:41.000] wait a minute you had one [22:41.000 --> 22:45.000] but it's actually been going on for a couple years now [22:45.000 --> 22:53.000] okay what were the claims that you made [22:53.000 --> 23:00.000] fraud modification they told me that I was in modification process [23:00.000 --> 23:03.000] and then they foreclosed on me [23:03.000 --> 23:09.000] oh while you were in modification they dual tracked how long ago did they do that [23:09.000 --> 23:15.000] while I was in the house that was in 2011 [23:15.000 --> 23:19.000] I think that's before they passed the prohibition [23:19.000 --> 23:29.000] so you charged them with fraud based on the dual tracking of the loan modification [23:29.000 --> 23:33.000] okay one thing to understand about that [23:33.000 --> 23:37.000] go to the freemortgagehelp.net site [23:37.000 --> 23:43.000] you have to dig around a little bit you'll find that there's a section in their own modification [23:43.000 --> 23:49.000] they would know within about five minutes if you qualified or not [23:49.000 --> 23:59.000] was your debt to income less than 51% of your gross [23:59.000 --> 24:06.000] was your total debt less than 51% of your gross income [24:06.000 --> 24:10.000] okay they don't have to answer that but that's one consideration [24:10.000 --> 24:20.000] the other one is the note must be within at or less than 41% of your gross income [24:20.000 --> 24:26.000] if you don't meet either two of those requirements you absolutely do not qualify [24:26.000 --> 24:30.000] and they would have known that very very quickly [24:30.000 --> 24:34.000] if you do meet those requirements you qualify [24:34.000 --> 24:44.000] that's about qualification now how much of a modification they can support based on other factors [24:44.000 --> 24:49.000] that's something to be worked out but whether you qualify or not they'll know immediately [24:49.000 --> 24:55.000] how many times did they have you send in paperwork? [24:55.000 --> 24:58.000] 10 times [24:58.000 --> 25:05.000] jeez that should be a good lawsuit have you checked with the HAMP program [25:05.000 --> 25:13.000] to find out how much how many times they petition the HAMP program [25:13.000 --> 25:23.000] for the I think it's 2000 to 2500 that HAMP pays them when they offer a modification [25:23.000 --> 25:28.000] because here's what they do you send in the paperwork [25:28.000 --> 25:33.000] if they have human beings do this so they have to do a little song and dance [25:33.000 --> 25:39.000] to get the human beings to do it because human beings for the most part don't want to be criminals [25:39.000 --> 25:44.000] so if a paper is missing if they don't have a document they're supposed to have [25:44.000 --> 25:50.000] or if something got lost the policy is not to say I need this paper [25:50.000 --> 25:54.000] but I need you to resend your paperwork [25:54.000 --> 25:59.000] and generally the people who are doing that don't know what's really going on [25:59.000 --> 26:05.000] when you resend the paperwork they reapply to HAMP for another payment [26:05.000 --> 26:13.000] they could have made as much as $25,000 having you send that paperwork in [26:13.000 --> 26:20.000] they could have gotten that from your tax money [26:20.000 --> 26:29.000] so they're robbing you your tax money while they're robbing you of your property [26:29.000 --> 26:33.000] that's something you definitely definitely need to look at [26:33.000 --> 26:42.000] do you have any recordings of what was said during this process? [26:42.000 --> 26:47.000] no they kept sending me statements back saying they didn't receive my paperwork [26:47.000 --> 26:51.000] can I resend it? yes I have [26:51.000 --> 26:59.000] okay then one quick thing to look for is petition for the... [26:59.000 --> 27:03.000] okay hold on you had a lawsuit is that you said you're starting another one [27:03.000 --> 27:08.000] did that lawsuit get thrown out? [27:08.000 --> 27:13.000] I have an appearance work on Monday for this one now [27:13.000 --> 27:18.000] what is it a case hearing? a case scheduling? [27:18.000 --> 27:24.000] a scheduling order? now wait a minute you said you... is this your second lawsuit? [27:24.000 --> 27:29.000] yes tell me about the first lawsuit [27:29.000 --> 27:33.000] are we live on radio? yes we are [27:33.000 --> 27:41.000] you don't have to give me names or places [27:41.000 --> 27:48.000] okay I'm looking for a collateral estoppel [27:48.000 --> 27:53.000] I'm looking for what you claimed in the first lawsuit that was ruled against you [27:53.000 --> 27:56.000] because you can't claim that again [27:56.000 --> 28:03.000] the first time it was discrimination [28:03.000 --> 28:08.000] what did you claim in the first lawsuit? [28:08.000 --> 28:15.000] discrimination, creditory lending and discrimination [28:15.000 --> 28:22.000] what was the nature of the discrimination ethnic income level [28:22.000 --> 28:27.000] they charge you more money than they would have charged someone with a higher income level [28:27.000 --> 28:31.000] okay [28:31.000 --> 28:35.000] those two... okay what is your next suit claiming? [28:35.000 --> 28:38.000] it's claiming fraud in the modification process [28:38.000 --> 28:44.000] good okay put us in here so there's nothing in there that would go to collateral estoppel [28:44.000 --> 28:48.000] so once you've played an issue in court and been ruled against and lost [28:48.000 --> 28:51.000] you can't repeat that issue that's where I was going [28:51.000 --> 28:54.000] okay the modification that should be a good one [28:54.000 --> 29:01.000] excuse me the first case was I dismissed it before they ruled on it [29:01.000 --> 29:06.000] oh good for you why did you dismiss it? 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[33:45.000 --> 33:50.000] I was wondering what to do and expect at the case scheduling [33:50.000 --> 33:52.000] oh that's easy [33:52.000 --> 33:54.000] a scheduling hearing [33:54.000 --> 33:57.000] is really just to [33:57.000 --> 34:02.000] have you filed a scheduling order [34:02.000 --> 34:04.000] with the [34:04.000 --> 34:05.000] court? [34:05.000 --> 34:07.000] no no [34:07.000 --> 34:09.000] okay [34:09.000 --> 34:11.000] when you get off this phone [34:11.000 --> 34:13.000] send off there [34:13.000 --> 34:19.000] send me an email and I will send you a proposed scheduling order [34:19.000 --> 34:22.000] one that we have filed in courts before and all [34:22.000 --> 34:25.000] the scheduling order is not [34:25.000 --> 34:29.000] adversarial when are you going into this hearing? [34:29.000 --> 34:31.000] Monday [34:31.000 --> 34:34.000] that's kind of close [34:34.000 --> 34:38.000] I'll send you this order and you look at it [34:38.000 --> 34:46.000] it has dates on how long it's going to take for discovery how long it will take for trial [34:46.000 --> 34:48.000] they're pretty standard [34:48.000 --> 34:53.000] so I'll send you this one you look at it and [34:53.000 --> 35:01.000] take the dates that are there and set dates with a similar time span on them it will be kind of obvious [35:01.000 --> 35:06.000] this scheduling order was from a couple years ago but if the [35:06.000 --> 35:13.000] first event was in March and the second one was in July then you just set your [35:13.000 --> 35:18.000] dates appropriately for those spans of time [35:18.000 --> 35:22.000] it really doesn't mean much and it's not adversarial [35:22.000 --> 35:26.000] this is kind of a bookkeeping sort of thing [35:26.000 --> 35:32.000] and I think the courts do that in order to get you to [35:32.000 --> 35:39.000] come in and talk to the lawyer on the other side and see if you guys can hammer out a deal so that the judge doesn't have to [35:39.000 --> 35:42.000] adjudicate the case [35:42.000 --> 35:48.000] and I would suggest you to consider for you to consider such a thing [35:48.000 --> 35:52.000] how long have you been paying your mortgage? [35:52.000 --> 36:01.000] when was your mortgage initially when did you enter into the mortgage? [36:01.000 --> 36:05.000] hello [36:05.000 --> 36:08.000] hello Angie [36:08.000 --> 36:10.000] hmm [36:10.000 --> 36:14.000] sounds like Angie must have dropped [36:14.000 --> 36:22.000] okay sorry Angie if you dropped off give us a call back and we'll finish up on how to do this [36:22.000 --> 36:28.000] okay I'm going to Jeff in Mississippi [36:28.000 --> 36:30.000] oh man [36:30.000 --> 36:34.000] oh wait there you are hold on go ahead [36:34.000 --> 36:36.000] Angie you there? [36:36.000 --> 36:38.000] yes yes [36:38.000 --> 36:42.000] okay [36:42.000 --> 36:48.000] oh send me an email and I'll get you the scheduling order [36:48.000 --> 36:52.000] and how long have you been paying this loan? [36:52.000 --> 36:55.000] when was the loan originated? [36:55.000 --> 36:58.000] well I have been living in the home 20 years [36:58.000 --> 37:04.000] no when was the loan originated what's the date on the note document? [37:04.000 --> 37:07.000] Fargo bought my loan I think it was [37:07.000 --> 37:13.000] oh no when did you get the loan? [37:13.000 --> 37:15.000] in 92 [37:15.000 --> 37:20.000] okay this thing's almost paid off [37:20.000 --> 37:26.000] okay if you will send me the first page of the deed of trust [37:26.000 --> 37:29.000] you're in Missouri Missouri the first page of the mortgage [37:29.000 --> 37:33.000] Missouri is a judicial state [37:33.000 --> 37:35.000] or is it? [37:35.000 --> 37:37.000] no I don't I don't think it is [37:37.000 --> 37:40.000] okay send me the first page of the deed of trust [37:40.000 --> 37:43.000] the first page of the note [37:43.000 --> 37:47.000] and I'll run some calculations [37:47.000 --> 37:55.000] and give you something you can go back to the to the other side with and offer them a deal [37:55.000 --> 38:06.000] because you've since you've been had it the note since 92 they really want to foreclose on it because you've paid off most of the note [38:06.000 --> 38:13.000] so give me that information and I'll send you back a recommendation [38:13.000 --> 38:16.000] okay great great what's your email address? [38:16.000 --> 38:26.000] Randy r-e-n-d-y at ruleoflawradio.com [38:26.000 --> 38:27.000] thank you [38:27.000 --> 38:29.000] you are welcome [38:29.000 --> 38:35.000] okay we are going to go to Jeff in Mississippi hello Mr. Jeff [38:35.000 --> 38:37.000] hi Randy [38:37.000 --> 38:42.000] good to hear from you I hadn't heard from you for a while and I was beginning to worry [38:42.000 --> 38:59.000] yeah thank you the last time the last action that we had in my case is two months ago I went to supposedly to trial but instead my lawyer wanted to withdraw [38:59.000 --> 39:08.000] so he had a motions hearing before the trial withdrew and withdrew from the case and we had gone over that several times and I objected [39:08.000 --> 39:18.000] so I've gone for about two months now without a court hearing or without trial dates and without an attorney [39:18.000 --> 39:27.000] so the other day I finally received a letter that was appointing me to an attorney and giving me a trial date [39:27.000 --> 39:36.000] however they did not give me the attorney's address or phone number and the attorney has not called me or emailed me [39:36.000 --> 39:43.000] now I didn't want to jump the gun because that's how I've gotten in trouble so I didn't want to do anything until I called you [39:43.000 --> 39:44.000] okay [39:44.000 --> 39:51.000] should I try to find this person or should I just walk into court and say hey this person hasn't contacted me [39:51.000 --> 40:01.000] I would try to I would do my due diligence and try to locate the lawyer contact the court and ask the court for the lawyers contact information [40:01.000 --> 40:02.000] got it [40:02.000 --> 40:16.000] and then send the lawyer a letter and notify the lawyer that he needs to contact you so he can determine how to adequately adjudicate your case [40:16.000 --> 40:18.000] alright [40:18.000 --> 40:26.000] they've undoubtedly appointed a lawyer and gave him warning of what he's getting into [40:26.000 --> 40:28.000] yeah [40:28.000 --> 40:41.000] so he's likely to try to set you up I would suggest that you find another lawyer that you can pay some consultation time [40:41.000 --> 40:48.000] and have this lawyer explain to you how to handle the lawyer you have [40:48.000 --> 40:58.000] kind of have him and ask him what is this lawyer going to be dealing with and what are the tricks and traps I should look for [40:58.000 --> 41:02.000] so that he doesn't lead me into trouble [41:02.000 --> 41:04.000] okay [41:04.000 --> 41:11.000] if the second lawyer has nothing to do with the issue then he's likely to give you good information [41:11.000 --> 41:13.000] alright [41:13.000 --> 41:26.000] okay the second question is you had me do two tasks and I made a pretty big mistake of course I make mistakes all the time [41:26.000 --> 41:29.000] I didn't want to try to correct it until I called you [41:29.000 --> 41:39.000] you had me send in a motion for dismissal and a motion to quash the indictment because there were no transcripts from my grand jury [41:39.000 --> 41:51.000] so I sent in the motion for dismissal first sent in a certificate of service and then goofed around and did not send the DA a copy [41:51.000 --> 42:00.000] so I only sent one copy to the court and a certificate of service claiming that I had sent the other one to the DA and I never did [42:00.000 --> 42:06.000] okay you didn't tell them why I got the wrong address on it it got bumped back to me just send it again [42:06.000 --> 42:09.000] okay so I can resend all this [42:09.000 --> 42:10.000] oh yeah [42:10.000 --> 42:11.000] and that's fine [42:11.000 --> 42:16.000] yeah you got plenty of time you don't have a court date set they got nothing to complain about [42:16.000 --> 42:20.000] well I do have a court date set for October 27th [42:20.000 --> 42:23.000] okay he's still got time he's got a month [42:23.000 --> 42:33.000] okay so I can still send now do I need to resend the entire thing to the clerk of the court also and to the district attorney and change the dates to current [42:33.000 --> 42:44.000] no just resend it say I sent it somehow got the wrong address it came back I had to resend if they raise any issue they probably won't [42:44.000 --> 42:46.000] okay that's great [42:46.000 --> 42:55.000] the prosecutor probably doesn't even know what's in there and so he don't know anything about it yet first thing he'll know about it is when he gets it [42:55.000 --> 42:58.000] and once he's got it he's got nothing to complain about [42:58.000 --> 43:03.000] I got it okay that is all I wanted to know I sure thank you [43:03.000 --> 43:10.000] okay good luck on this thing this should be interesting oh wait did you get in the motion in Eliminy [43:10.000 --> 43:12.000] I did not [43:12.000 --> 43:15.000] okay I want you to take the phone receiver [43:15.000 --> 43:18.000] but I just don't understand [43:18.000 --> 43:24.000] and just go down and look up motion in Eliminy go online look up motion in Eliminy [43:24.000 --> 43:28.000] you want a motion in Eliminy in a Brady motion [43:28.000 --> 43:30.000] a Brady motion [43:30.000 --> 43:33.000] yes Brady motions discovered [43:33.000 --> 43:40.000] just do a search for Brady in Eliminy in Mississippi you'll get [43:40.000 --> 43:44.000] examples of motions that have been filed [43:44.000 --> 43:56.000] okay hang on we're about to go to break this is Randy Kelton and Devin Stevens in the rule of our radio I call in number 512-646-1984 we'll be right back [44:02.000 --> 44:09.000] hello my name is Stuart Smith from naturespureorganics.com and I would like to invite you to come by our store at [44:09.000 --> 44:14.000] 9204 Guadalupe Street Sweet D here in Austin Texas on Brave New Books and Chase Bank [44:14.000 --> 44:18.000] to see all our fantastic health and wellness products with your very own eyes [44:18.000 --> 44:22.000] have a look at our miracle healing clay that started our adventure in 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45:56.000] please visit ruleoflawradio.com and click on the banner [45:56.000 --> 46:01.000] or call toll free, 866-LAW-EZ [46:02.000 --> 46:14.000] music [46:14.000 --> 46:28.000] music [46:28.000 --> 46:33.000] okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio [46:33.000 --> 46:36.000] and we're talking to Jeff in Mississippi [46:36.000 --> 46:42.000] I just want to finish up real quickly about the preliminary and the Brady motion [46:42.000 --> 46:45.000] these require pre-trial hearings [46:45.000 --> 46:49.000] the problem is you've been appointed counsel [46:49.000 --> 46:52.000] and that may give you a problem now in getting those in [46:52.000 --> 46:56.000] but just do a search on the internet for both of them [46:56.000 --> 46:59.000] you should find examples [46:59.000 --> 47:11.000] mostly what you need is the fader to get the music down out of the way [47:11.000 --> 47:21.000] most everything you need in a criminal trial can be categorized into groups [47:21.000 --> 47:24.000] and that's what a good Brady motion does [47:24.000 --> 47:29.000] it addresses everything, every possibility that could come up [47:29.000 --> 47:34.000] it is fader, okay [47:34.000 --> 47:38.000] I'm having a little trouble with my faders, hold on, something's not [47:38.000 --> 47:41.000] okay, give me just a second, I'll pull it down [47:41.000 --> 47:44.000] okay, there we go, now I got it [47:44.000 --> 47:46.000] it wasn't listening to me [47:46.000 --> 47:47.000] okay, go ahead [47:47.000 --> 47:50.000] I've had this problem before [47:50.000 --> 47:54.000] and that is I enjoyed this time being without a lawyer [47:54.000 --> 47:57.000] see, I'm going to put that motion to dismiss [47:57.000 --> 48:01.000] I'm going to put that in the mail before I contact my lawyer [48:01.000 --> 48:06.000] absolutely, and I was going to suggest that since you haven't got him yet [48:06.000 --> 48:11.000] go ahead and get your Brady motion and your motion and limiting in as well [48:11.000 --> 48:14.000] okay, because once I've had a lawyer [48:14.000 --> 48:19.000] that lawyer has stood up in court during both trials and even during my appeal [48:19.000 --> 48:24.000] and said well your honor, he filed those motions and I didn't have anything to do with it [48:24.000 --> 48:27.000] so therefore I'm not responsible [48:27.000 --> 48:32.000] he's not responsible for filing them but he is responsible for adjudicating them [48:32.000 --> 48:34.000] that's what he gets paid for [48:34.000 --> 48:38.000] oh okay, they said that I needed a psychological test [48:38.000 --> 48:42.000] because I had gone around her back is what I'd done [48:42.000 --> 48:51.000] so it's crazy to use counsel for counsel and not for your godhead [48:51.000 --> 48:56.000] yeah, well my experience is that when I don't have a lawyer to do all the paperwork [48:56.000 --> 49:01.000] and then when I do, just put it all off on them [49:01.000 --> 49:06.000] because if I do anything, if I even blow my nose without letting them know [49:06.000 --> 49:09.000] they immediately get up and say oh your honor [49:09.000 --> 49:12.000] he's doing all these weird things without me [49:12.000 --> 49:16.000] and I've noticed that they try to push away and get out from under the responsibility [49:16.000 --> 49:21.000] that's because they want to be able to screw you without you objecting [49:21.000 --> 49:23.000] uh huh [49:23.000 --> 49:30.000] so get these in, then if he objects to them, if he doesn't want to adjudicate them [49:30.000 --> 49:32.000] then bargrieve him [49:32.000 --> 49:34.000] okay [49:34.000 --> 49:38.000] now that's going to be a problem because if I start bargrieving [49:38.000 --> 49:42.000] then the attorney's going to go to court and say I can't represent this man [49:42.000 --> 49:44.000] because of conflict of interest [49:44.000 --> 49:47.000] and then they're going to try to put the court date off again [49:47.000 --> 49:53.000] well, how bad do you want a court date if they're going to screw you in the court? [49:53.000 --> 49:56.000] that's true, I want a court date [49:56.000 --> 50:01.000] but yeah, I also want my attorney to have to face responsibility [50:01.000 --> 50:09.000] well you might tell the attorney that, you might look at suing the one who withdrew [50:09.000 --> 50:11.000] uh huh [50:11.000 --> 50:19.000] just file a suit against him for damaging your case by refusing to properly adjudicate your case [50:19.000 --> 50:24.000] and let him make all these arguments to a judge [50:24.000 --> 50:31.000] if he acted properly, let him make the arguments before court and show how he acted properly [50:31.000 --> 50:32.000] okay [50:32.000 --> 50:39.000] and if you try to get him to do things like trying to get him to challenge the sufficiency of the indictment [50:39.000 --> 50:41.000] oh yes [50:41.000 --> 50:44.000] I mean, how's he going to explain that? [50:44.000 --> 50:50.000] yes, and he did not unfortunately get up and explain himself and I didn't catch him [50:50.000 --> 50:53.000] I got nervous and couldn't think fast enough [50:53.000 --> 50:55.000] that's okay, just sue him [50:55.000 --> 50:59.000] he was under contract and he breached his contract [50:59.000 --> 51:00.000] okay [51:00.000 --> 51:08.000] and when you sue that lawyer who puts this other one on notice, you're next [51:08.000 --> 51:10.000] okay [51:10.000 --> 51:11.000] all right [51:11.000 --> 51:14.000] in the Mississippi Rules of Court [51:14.000 --> 51:24.000] they have nine months or 270 days to convict someone after the indictment has been released [51:24.000 --> 51:30.000] in my case, I won a remand from the Supreme Court [51:30.000 --> 51:35.000] and I cannot find anywhere in the codes or the Rules of Court [51:35.000 --> 51:41.000] where it says how much time that the court has for a remand to convict you [51:41.000 --> 51:47.000] would that still just follow under the general indictment of nine months? [51:47.000 --> 51:49.000] that is an interesting question [51:49.000 --> 51:51.000] it sounds like they got the indictment [51:51.000 --> 51:55.000] did they get the original indictment within nine months? [51:55.000 --> 51:59.000] I mean the original conviction? [51:59.000 --> 52:04.000] no, they did it I think 15 months after [52:04.000 --> 52:08.000] and I railed and ranted and screamed that they were after [52:08.000 --> 52:12.000] they were past the statute of limitations and they could care less, they just kept on going [52:12.000 --> 52:16.000] you should raise that issue here [52:16.000 --> 52:18.000] okay [52:18.000 --> 52:25.000] it's a new case, you should raise motion to dismiss two older prosecutors [52:25.000 --> 52:29.000] okay, now we're coming up on nine months [52:29.000 --> 52:33.000] okay, no, you're nine months from the first one [52:33.000 --> 52:38.000] they didn't get that one done in nine months, you had a right to dismiss them [52:38.000 --> 52:42.000] oh, okay, yeah, it took them a year and a half [52:42.000 --> 52:44.000] or about 15 months, but [52:44.000 --> 52:49.000] yeah, so file for that one [52:49.000 --> 52:54.000] and make sure, have you filed a motion for speedy trial? [52:54.000 --> 52:56.000] no, I haven't [52:56.000 --> 53:01.000] I'm going to take your phone and beat yourself around the eyes and ears, get one in there [53:01.000 --> 53:06.000] all it has to say is you demand your word to a speedy trial [53:06.000 --> 53:09.000] okay, I've got the motion to quash in [53:09.000 --> 53:12.000] and I'm fixing to resend the motion to dismiss [53:12.000 --> 53:18.000] so when I send my motion to dismiss, go ahead and add on as an item [53:18.000 --> 53:22.000] because they did not indict me within the nine month period? [53:22.000 --> 53:24.000] yes [53:24.000 --> 53:28.000] okay, because I've got about eight facts on there [53:28.000 --> 53:32.000] so I can just add number, just add it as number nine [53:32.000 --> 53:36.000] okay, no, that would be in a separate motion [53:36.000 --> 53:40.000] that doesn't go to the validity of the indictment [53:40.000 --> 53:43.000] that goes to speedy trial [53:43.000 --> 53:47.000] oh, okay, motion for speedy trial [53:47.000 --> 53:49.000] you filed a motion for speedy trial [53:49.000 --> 53:52.000] didn't you do that in the first case? [53:52.000 --> 53:53.000] no, I didn't [53:53.000 --> 53:55.000] I don't think we've ever talked about that [53:55.000 --> 53:57.000] or if we have, it's been a long time ago [53:57.000 --> 53:59.000] okay, file a motion for speedy trial [53:59.000 --> 54:07.000] file a motion to dismiss as the original trial did not get you to trial [54:07.000 --> 54:10.000] did not get the conviction within the statutory time limit [54:10.000 --> 54:14.000] at least you have that on the record for appeal [54:14.000 --> 54:16.000] oh, okay [54:16.000 --> 54:19.000] now that trial I actually won [54:19.000 --> 54:22.000] the one where they failed the statute of limitations [54:22.000 --> 54:25.000] I actually resulted in a hung jury [54:25.000 --> 54:29.000] and then the judge turned around and gave the prosecutor another trial [54:29.000 --> 54:32.000] and that's the one I came in and lost [54:32.000 --> 54:37.000] and I think that I had already been through my first trial before I started calling you [54:37.000 --> 54:41.000] oh, okay, so the first trial was 15 months? [54:41.000 --> 54:45.000] yes, the first trial was about 15 months [54:45.000 --> 54:53.000] okay, you can now claim speedy trial that the first trial was too late [54:53.000 --> 54:58.000] they exceeded speedy trial, they may say you had to make the claim at the time [54:58.000 --> 55:03.000] but now they're trying you again since their conviction was thrown out [55:03.000 --> 55:07.000] that throws into question whether or not you can reclaim the [55:07.000 --> 55:09.000] since the first trial didn't happen [55:09.000 --> 55:12.000] you can claim that they're out of time [55:12.000 --> 55:15.000] I would sure make that claim, do a little research [55:15.000 --> 55:17.000] you can do it right on the internet [55:17.000 --> 55:19.000] you don't need a search engine [55:19.000 --> 55:23.000] just put the information in the [55:23.000 --> 55:30.000] I mean you don't need a Lexus or Wessel or anything like that [55:30.000 --> 55:32.000] just do it on the internet [55:32.000 --> 55:34.000] you'd be surprised what you can find quickly [55:34.000 --> 55:38.000] but act quickly, you drug your feet [55:38.000 --> 55:42.000] okay, get all this in before I contact my lawyer [55:42.000 --> 55:44.000] yes, and take your receiver on your phone [55:44.000 --> 55:48.000] and beat your face bloody for not getting your job done [55:48.000 --> 55:53.000] okay, I'll call you back next week and tell you what I've done [55:53.000 --> 55:55.000] okay, good [55:55.000 --> 56:01.000] okay, now we're going to go to Ivan in Texas [56:01.000 --> 56:03.000] hello, Ivan [56:03.000 --> 56:05.000] how are you doing, Randy? [56:05.000 --> 56:07.000] it's going good [56:07.000 --> 56:14.000] hi, I've been listening to the show for a while now [56:14.000 --> 56:18.000] I kind of wanted to call and get your advice [56:18.000 --> 56:23.000] I've been going to see Eddie Craig at his spot over there on Sundays [56:23.000 --> 56:25.000] every now and then it's been a while [56:25.000 --> 56:32.000] but basically I got pulled over for I guess supposedly speeding [56:32.000 --> 56:34.000] it was 11.30 at night [56:34.000 --> 56:37.000] I was coming from my in-law's house [56:37.000 --> 56:40.000] and stopped at Jack and Bob's to bring my son some food [56:40.000 --> 56:47.000] the reason why I was going down a dark road in a neighborhood that's kind of [56:47.000 --> 56:51.000] this is just an older neighborhood here in Georgetown, Texas [56:51.000 --> 56:53.000] we don't have a lot of crime here [56:53.000 --> 56:56.000] but that one area is older [56:56.000 --> 57:03.000] anyways, the cop gave me a ticket for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle [57:03.000 --> 57:05.000] he gave me a warning on speeding [57:05.000 --> 57:07.000] so I took it to court [57:07.000 --> 57:11.000] I did a jury trial there in Georgetown [57:11.000 --> 57:14.000] I tried to do it the way Eddie told me to [57:14.000 --> 57:17.000] but when you're not a lawyer, you're not that good with the law [57:17.000 --> 57:19.000] it's not so easy [57:19.000 --> 57:26.000] ended up losing only because one of the jurors wanted to [57:26.000 --> 57:29.000] she had more questions than this and that [57:29.000 --> 57:33.000] but the thing is it took me 12 seconds to pull over [57:33.000 --> 57:38.000] and you know, there's a lot of impersonators and things like that [57:38.000 --> 57:40.000] on cops out there [57:40.000 --> 57:48.000] you can buy a police vehicle on Craigslist anywhere in the United States [57:48.000 --> 57:53.000] so I felt like I was going to [57:53.000 --> 57:55.000] okay, hello? 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Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, we will radio and we're going to Ivan in Texas [01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:32.000] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, we will radio and we're going to Ivan in Texas [01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:39.000] Okay, Randy, I'll make it really quick. Anyways, in this country, it just blows my mind [01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:47.000] And I know a lot of listeners out there have gone through this, you get pulled over, you know, I was trying to be a nice guy [01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.000] I got off the road, pulled on a private property because that's what Eddie told me to do [01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.000] He says, if you get the opportunity, pull over somewhere where it's a private property [01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:07.000] And so that's what I did. I did it within 12 seconds. And the gentleman, the police officer, gave me a ticket for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle [01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:12.000] Now hold on, hold on, was there an ambulance passing or something? [01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:19.000] No, he was pulling me over because I was going down the road and he came past me and he turned around [01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:27.000] And he was in a black car. I mean, it was nighttime. I was taking food to my son, who's in college by the way [01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:33.000] But, you know, it's nighttime. I couldn't tell who it is. I got off the road with him [01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.000] And that included a stop sign, Randy. So anyways, I took it to court and I lost [01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:43.000] Which was, that really blew my mind even more. So I'm like, you know what, I'm appealed it [01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:49.000] And really I should have gone down and had a chance to talk to Eddie and go down there on Sunday [01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.000] But I'm going through the appeal process now. Well, let me back up [01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:01.000] When I went to fight the case, you know, the cop gave me a warning for speeding, okay? [01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:09.000] And I said I wasn't speeding. And so, but anyways, the prosecutor, because it was a warning, he tacked it on [01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:15.000] And he made it legitimate again. So when I went to court, I went to court for failure to use the emergency vehicle [01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:21.000] And for speeding. I was really racing down the road. He said I was going 38 miles an hour [01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:27.000] You know, I know I could go 38 miles an hour on my bicycle. I don't know how that's causing me not any harm [01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:35.000] But I'm appealing it. So what I'm calling you about today is, you know, those stories [01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:48.000] Okay, hold on. The second ticket, you got a warning for speeding and then you were prosecuted [01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:52.000] Yes, I mean failure for yield [01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:57.000] Who filed the complaint? See, they had to do the speeding [01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:06.000] Otherwise, there would be no probable cause for him to turn his lights on and him require you to yield [01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:12.000] Well, he said that if I didn't pay the one ticket, then he would make the speeding active [01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:23.000] Yeah, that was, that's the whole deal. It's all about the money. You should look up Kennedy v. State [01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:34.000] Will McKenna v. State and that addresses the prosecutor initiating the second complaint [01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:40.000] And what he's going to say is he didn't file the second complaint [01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:45.000] You already lost him. So that's probably a little too late for that [01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:53.000] But I'm appealing it. But Randy, I've gone to court and the first time I went, they weren't prepared [01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.000] In fact, the prosecutor was there. He was doing some personal business [01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.000] I guess he's an attorney on the side right there in Georgetown [01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:04.000] Oh, good. Good. First time you went to court for trial? [01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:07.000] Yeah, for trial and [01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:09.000] Okay, and they didn't dismiss? [01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:19.000] No, he said that, you know, he told me that I should just pay the fine because if I lose there [01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.000] Bar grieving [01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:26.000] Yeah, so that it would cost me more and I should just take what they offered me [01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:34.000] Bar grieving. It'll cost him more. He had a duty to move to dismiss [01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.000] He had a duty to be ready. You see, they don't send you this nice sweet letter saying [01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:44.000] Hey, you know, we want to have trial on this date. Is that convenient for you? [01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.000] And they don't do that. They say be here on this day at this time [01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.000] And because they do that, they have to be ready on that day at that time [01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:59.000] And that prosecutor who wasn't ready had a duty to move for dismissal [01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:02.000] So bar grieving for it [01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:07.000] So then this is what I did. I went to the judge. I went up to the judge. He goes [01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:12.000] He says that they're not ready and I said, well, your honor, I want it dismissed [01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:15.000] And he says, no, I got to give him a chance [01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.000] You know, if you need a chance, I'll give you a chance [01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:24.000] So I came back on Monday and I tried to call in on Monday, but I was like the last caller on Monday [01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.000] I should have called earlier to talk to Eddie, but it's irrelevant [01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:35.000] But so I went back Monday. This is like a month later after this other and then I walked up [01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:42.000] The judge calls my name and he says to me that his court is full for the afternoon [01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.000] And I kind of didn't quite understand what the heck he was talking about [01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:50.000] He goes, well, what date do you want to come back? And I said, what? I said, no, I said, what do you mean? [01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.000] I said, well, my court is full. You got to come back another day [01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:56.000] What date do you want to come back? October 27 [01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.000] And so I said, no, your honor, I want this dismissed [01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.000] He wasn't prepared last month [01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:07.000] I said, why would I want to come back? And then he goes, listen, I'm not going to argue with you [01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:14.000] Step aside and he tells the girl there to set him up for October 27 [01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:18.000] So I just had to step to the side there and sign it [01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.000] You know, so I was kind of livid [01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:29.000] And so I called Carl who's also, we found out about Eddie and you guys through Carl and my brother-in-law told me about it [01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.000] But that's why I'm calling [01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:43.000] Carl told me to file a motion to dismiss because of failure to prosecute or something like that [01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:52.000] Yes. And file a judicial conduct. This is the traffic court [01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:57.000] They simply do not care [01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.000] They could care less what the law is [01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:04.000] They're going to do whatever. It's all about stealing money from you [01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:07.000] They do not care what the law is [01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:12.000] So bargrieve that lawyer every time he moves [01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:15.000] This is the only real defense you got [01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.000] This is how you really sting them [01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:23.000] Eddie gave me a file with all the paperwork on there [01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:32.000] So I guess I can email you after we talk here for me to look at what paperwork I need to do to file with them [01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:38.000] Because, Randy, all our listeners listening, if you pull over and it's dark at night [01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:43.000] And you're just trying to get off the road as quickly as possible into a well-lit area [01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.000] Because you don't know who's pulling you over [01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.000] And you get a ticket for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle [01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:53.000] Everyone out there is going to be... [01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:59.000] Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you read the statute? That's not a traffic violation [01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.000] It's not [01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:09.000] I don't think so. What's the statute for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle? [01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:15.000] Emergency vehicle yielding to them, that's like an ambulance or something [01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:19.000] Yeah, ambulance or a vehicle with the lights on [01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:23.000] And he was clearly pulling me over [01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.000] There was no emergency [01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.000] And I said this in court [01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:31.000] But the jurors are just... [01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:35.000] I don't know how jurors can let this happen [01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.000] That's why I went to a jury file [01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:41.000] Because I figured my peers would understand, hey... [01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:46.000] No, in a jury trial, the jury in traffic court is... [01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.000] They're annoyed, they have to come down there [01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:54.000] And I always lose in front of a jury [01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:59.000] I mean, it's unfortunate, but... [01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:02.000] I always lose [01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:08.000] What is the statute number you were charged with? [01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.000] I don't have it with me [01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:17.000] I just looked up failure to yield to an emergency vehicle in Texas [01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:23.000] And they're not giving me... I'm not getting a statute [01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:27.000] Read it carefully [01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:33.000] Because this does not sound like what the statute was designed for [01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:36.000] You're not yielding to him [01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.000] This is failure to stop [01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.000] Would be to charge, not failure to yield [01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.000] If a cop's coming up behind me with his lights on [01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.000] I need to move over and let him pass [01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:52.000] But that's yielding to it [01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:59.000] It's under Chapter 545, Operation and Movement of Vehicles [01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.000] And the transportation code, I'm not for hire [01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:08.000] They don't care about that [01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.000] And they set it up so it's almost impossible to appeal [01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:16.000] Because it costs you twice as much as a ticket would cost to appeal [01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.000] And even if you win the appeal, they'll never give you your money back [01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:24.000] We've seen videos of police officers getting killed [01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.000] I'm not against police officers at all [01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.000] I have some family members that were police officers and things like that [01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.000] I'm a human being, I care for people [01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.000] I'm a Desert Storm veteran, I care for people [01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.000] I don't want anyone getting hurt [01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.000] So I got off the roadway [01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:46.000] So he should be thankful to me that I got off the road so that he wouldn't... [01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:52.000] And especially at night time, there could be someone drinking and driving out there [01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:57.000] You might look at filing a complaint with the... [01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.000] Is this in Austin? [01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.000] Well, it's in Georgetown, Texas [01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:03.000] Oh, Georgetown [01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.000] You might file a complaint with the police department [01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.000] It's truly unbelievable [01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:16.000] The next time they turn the lights on, just put on the brakes and stop right where you're at [01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:19.000] That's what I was doing that time [01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:23.000] I once stopped in the middle of the street [01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.000] They might give you a ticket for that [01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:32.000] For causing danger to traffic or something, I don't know [01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:37.000] I don't remember the details of why I did that, but I was annoyed at him [01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:41.000] And he turned his lights on and I was looking for a place to pull over [01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.000] And he started honking his horn, that loud horn they got [01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.000] So I just slammed on the brakes, put it in park and sat there [01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:53.000] He was furious [01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:57.000] Well, Bubba, you blowing the horn, you want me to stop? I stopped [01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.000] We're in the middle of the street! Yeah, no [01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.000] So go to the police department and file a complaint against him [01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:11.000] That because you found a safe place to pull over, you were prosecuted [01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:18.000] So the next time a police officer turns his lights on behind you, you're going to stop right where you're at [01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:22.000] If it's in the middle of the street, if it's in the middle of the expressway [01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:27.000] The cops behind me, they'll hit him first [01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.000] Bring it to the police department [01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.000] They're not likely to lose any money [01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.000] I even had the prosecutor review the video because I was so sure [01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:42.000] When I first went there, Wandy, and he said, I'll come back in a month [01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.000] So I thought he was going to dismiss it because he saw the video [01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:50.000] But he didn't, and it's just, you know, it's just unbelievable [01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.000] Okay, okay, but didn't [01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:58.000] I was the guy on the speeding ticket, and the prosecutor on the speeding ticket versus the failure to yield to emergency vehicles [01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.000] It makes absolutely no sense to my opinion [01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:13.000] Well, under Kennedy v. 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[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:24.000] Uh, no, I'm on a regular phone [01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:28.000] Oh, okay. You're a little bit garbled [01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.000] Oh, I'm sorry about that [01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.000] Do you have your head inside a toilet? [01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.000] No, I guess not, I guess not [01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:39.000] No, it's not too bad, I can understand you [01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:41.000] You're a little muffled [01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:47.000] Okay, these guys, they don't care what the law is [01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.000] They're just there to collect money [01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:57.000] We had a fellow recently, I think he was in New York [01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.000] He was addressing an issue and [01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.000] Oh, I'm sorry, this was the issue in Missouri [01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:08.000] That Fremont, where the riots were and stuff [01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:16.000] That one of the primary issues was the municipality [01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:20.000] Charging people with ordinance violations [01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:24.000] Loitering, jaywalking and all kinds of stuff [01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:30.000] And in a suit against them, the city argued that [01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:37.000] 17% of their revenue was from these citations [01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.000] So because they generated so much revenue from it [01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.000] The court should let them just do whatever they wanted to [01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:50.000] Even if it frustrated the public to the point that it drove them to riots [01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:56.000] So this is a big source of income for the city [01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:00.000] The city complains they need more police officers [01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:04.000] They need these police officers to write more tickets [01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:06.000] And generate more revenue [01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.000] If you get rid of half the police officers [01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:14.000] And quit writing all the tickets, you'll be just fine [01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.000] It's kind of a self-generating problem [01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:25.000] But the lawyers are the weak spot, the prosecutors [01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:29.000] Now, these guys didn't become a prosecutor [01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:33.000] Because they were at the head of their class [01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:37.000] You know, one thing about class, everybody can't be at the head of it [01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:43.000] And if these guys were really the sharpest knives in the drawer [01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:45.000] Well, they'd be out making real money [01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:49.000] But they're not, they're working for the municipal court [01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:53.000] This tends to indicate that they can't do anything else [01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:58.000] So the guy's trying to be a lawyer, not making enough money, don't have enough business [01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:02.000] So he goes to work for the municipal court to make a few extra bucks [01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:05.000] Well, bar-grieving good [01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.000] He wants to screw you around and steal your money [01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.000] See if you can't get in his pocket a little bit [01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:15.000] When every time the lawyer does something improper [01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:19.000] If the citizen bar-grieves them [01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:25.000] Their malpractice insurance will go through the roof [01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000] It won't be worth it [01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.000] Okay, go ahead [01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.000] There's a gentleman on YouTube [01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:34.000] He's a constitutional guy, he wears a hat [01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.000] He talks real fast, he's real funny [01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:42.000] And he says, you know, that I guess some police officer gave him a ticket [01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:46.000] And then he told him his name, the supervisor goes, do not give him a ticket [01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.000] And he goes, well, I already did [01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:53.000] And he goes, Jesus, okay, well you don't have to tell the prosecutor why you gave him a ticket [01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:54.000] And this and that [01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:59.000] And so this gentleman is so versed with the law and his constitutional rights [01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:04.000] That after the judge, you know, he wins his case in court [01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:11.000] His hearing that he chases the judge out to, I guess, foul money [01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.000] I guess, you know, I don't know how he does it [01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:17.000] But, you know, for his time being wasted at the court [01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:18.000] And I don't know how to do that [01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:22.000] But that's what I feel I need to do because I've been going to these courts [01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:24.000] Okay, I can't address that part of it [01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:27.000] I'm having a terrible time understanding you [01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.000] I'm sorry about that [01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.000] Yeah, I'm not sure where you're going [01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:37.000] Are you saying he charged the court for his time? [01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:44.000] After his dismissal, I feel like charging the court for my time being wasted over [01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:46.000] That was one of the things I had in mind [01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.000] I missed it, I didn't get it said [01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:54.000] But since they ordered you to come to court twice [01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:58.000] And then didn't hold the hearing that they were required to under law [01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:02.000] You might look at filing suit against the city [01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:03.000] Okay [01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:07.000] The first thing is send them a bill for your time [01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:11.000] I'm going to have to go with Eddie on Sunday because I think Eddie can help me [01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.000] Yeah, go to him and send them a bill for your time [01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:22.000] And then when they don't pay the bill, then report them to the credit agencies [01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:24.000] They'll hate that [01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:29.000] Yeah, I mean it's just unbelievable because now I've got to go back a third time, Randy [01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:32.000] A third time because they weren't prepared [01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.000] How is that even possible? [01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:40.000] Well, bargrieve the lawyer first before you get back [01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.000] And judicial conduct complaint the judge [01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:48.000] And then go back with a bill for your time at 200 bucks an hour [01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:51.000] Okay, that's what I'm going to do [01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:57.000] I guess for all listeners out there, I mean if you get a ticket for failing to use the right-of-way [01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.000] It's an emergency vehicle when you're getting pulled over [01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.000] Not when someone's going by and there's an actual emergency [01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.000] When you're getting pulled over, you know, the section on, you know, here in Texas [01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.000] It states that, you know, this section doesn't exempt an operator of an authorized emergency vehicle [01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:17.000] From the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using this highway [01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.000] I mean which includes myself, you know [01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:22.000] It just blows my mind [01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.000] Well, take it to the chief [01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.000] The chief is going to be more political [01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:31.000] He's not going to like citizens calling him up, chewing him out [01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.000] Because his police officers are idiots [01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:41.000] And Chief Acevedo is smart and he's very politically savvy [01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.000] So he will be a good one to call and chew out [01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:54.000] And you can do that since they are public servants and you are the master [01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:56.000] Yes, that is correct [01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:01.000] Treat them like it, they really hate it when you do that [01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.000] I once told a prosecutor in Johnson County [01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:08.000] I said, I think you misunderstand things, you're a public servant [01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:10.000] Yes, Mr. Carlson, I am [01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.000] You're the servant and I tap my chest [01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:18.000] Me, I am the master and you are not to forget it [01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:21.000] That was so much fun [01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:26.000] Okay, we need to move along [01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:31.000] Keep us appraised of what happens and go talk to Eddie Sunday [01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:34.000] I'm sure he'll have some ideas for you [01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.000] Thank you, Randy [01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:37.000] Okay, thank you, Ivan [01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:41.000] Now we're going to go to Stefan in Idaho [01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.000] Hello, Stefan [01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.000] How are you doing, Randy? [01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:52.000] You in the past have talked about a guy that handles tickets in California [01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:55.000] Do you have his name and telephone number I could possibly get from you? [01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:57.000] I've lost him [01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:01.000] The last I heard he was moving to Arkansas [01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:06.000] And he just kind of dropped off the map [01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:09.000] That's too bad [01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.000] Okay [01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:18.000] I don't have anybody at the moment in California that I could refer you to [01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:22.000] Possibly Eddie does [01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.000] I'll contact him then [01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:34.000] What happened? He may have an idea [01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:36.000] He there? [01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:41.000] Oh, he dropped off a little quicker than I expected [01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:45.000] Okay, this is where the call boards are empty [01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:47.000] They filled up early and I think we lost a couple [01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:52.000] If you've called in and got tired of waiting, give us a call back [01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:57.000] Our call in number is 512-646-1984 [01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:59.000] And since we don't have anymore calls [01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:02.000] I want to finish up what I was talking about earlier [01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.000] About politics [01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:09.000] And with Ivan, it's kind of an indication of what we mean about politics [01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:13.000] These guys are scoundrels, they could care less what the law is [01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:15.000] They're just there to collect money [01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.000] It's all about the money [01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:20.000] So if we can start making them cost [01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:25.000] Making it cost them more money to collect their money than they're collecting [01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:28.000] The calculation doesn't work anymore [01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.000] And Eddie has been very good at that [01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:38.000] I know he's cost the city of Austin a fortune in litigation costs [01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.000] And we need to just keep up the pressure [01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:43.000] I'll pick this back up when we come back on the other side [01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:49.000] We have one more segment, so give us a call, 512-646-1984 [01:29:49.000 --> 01:30:02.000] We'll be right back [01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:06.000] Reality TV, sugar, obesity, jet lag [01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:10.000] The list of things that makes us dumber just keeps on growing [01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:13.000] But now researchers say we can add stress to the list [01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:16.000] I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, back with details in a moment [01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:19.000] Privacy is under attack [01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:22.000] When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again [01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:27.000] And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too [01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:32.000] So protect your rights, say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself [01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:35.000] Privacy, it's worth hanging on to [01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:38.000] This message is brought to you by Startpage.com [01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:42.000] The private search engine alternative to Google, Yahoo and Bing [01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:46.000] Start over with Startpage [01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:49.000] Are you always on the go and juggling multiple projects? 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[01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:19.000] Hey, Randy, pleasure to talk to you, sir [01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:25.000] I was wondering, my question, just to rattle it off real quick [01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:31.000] Are you still active in the Wednesday night conference call? [01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:35.000] No, I stopped doing that [01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:44.000] And we generally do foreclosure on the first two hours of the Friday night marathon show [01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:52.000] So I essentially moved the Wednesday night call-in show to the Friday night radio show [01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:57.000] I was getting so few people calling in [01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:03.000] And it used up so much of my time that I had to do something different [01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:07.000] But we still talk about foreclosure [01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:10.000] We'll have Steve Skidmore on tomorrow night [01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:13.000] And he is very knowledgeable [01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:16.000] He knows a lot that I never thought about [01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:20.000] Do you have a question tonight on foreclosure? [01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:23.000] No, actually I didn't [01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.000] I tuned in for the learning experience [01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:32.000] Only the archive diggers get the number to your conference call [01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:35.000] You don't plug it at all [01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:42.000] Which I assume I was talking on a conference on your dime to a guy last night [01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:46.000] About his foreclosure issue [01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:49.000] I thought it would be a prudent thing to bring it up [01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:52.000] A guy was sunny over there in Georgia [01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:56.000] And he had some sort of foreclosure issue [01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:57.000] And he was tuned in [01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:01.000] And when he said one guy was tuned in, I thought it was you [01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:03.000] No, I quit doing that [01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:05.000] It's been a long time [01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:08.000] Probably six months ago [01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:11.000] Okay, well I can rattle off another question [01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:17.000] But it's going to be mostly directed towards Eddie's portion of the seminar material [01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:22.000] And I think that would be your third tonight where it's a more appropriate Eddie question [01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:26.000] But I'll go ahead and rattle it off just in case he's listening out there [01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:27.000] Okay [01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:33.000] Texas Government Code, Chapter 311.015 [01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:38.000] And the very last definition in there is when it talks about includes and including [01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.000] And the definition thereof [01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:47.000] And it seems to define it in a different way than Eddie's [01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:49.000] It makes a pool [01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:53.000] Includes the onus, includes the altarius [01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:57.000] Description of how means and includes works [01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:00.000] And it seems to say it is an enlargement [01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:02.000] What is not included is excluded [01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:13.000] Well, it says includes and including are terms of enlargement and not of limitation or exclusive enumeration [01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:21.000] And use of the terms does not create a presumption that components not expressed are excluded, period [01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:23.000] That is interesting [01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:29.000] That's 311, Texas Government Code 311.015 [01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:36.000] Oh no, 0.005, general definition [01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:38.000] 005, okay [01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:39.000] Yeah [01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:45.000] Okay, this goes to the government code in general [01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:54.000] Right, and then since 311 is, you know, these definitions are governing unless they're otherwise defined [01:37:54.000 --> 01:38:02.000] It sounds like they're completely usurping that, you know, that legal maxim of creating a pool with includes and including [01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:08.000] And instead they've totally usurped it, they've nipped it at the butt, if you will [01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:19.000] Well, the term includes, I think we'd have to look closely at the context [01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:33.000] Like if they say that a violation of this particular act includes this, this, this, and this [01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:50.000] Then in that case, includes would be exclusive because you couldn't say that if you name these issues as applying to this particular case [01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:54.000] And don't name other issues that you could arbitrarily stick in other issues [01:38:54.000 --> 01:39:12.000] I see where Eddie comes up with his maxim, but this creates a little kind of a conundrum [01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:28.000] That to say that includes merely means that this is part of something else, this is all going to have to go to context for that to make sense [01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:36.000] Well, I wonder if there's case law that breaches, you know, that brushes upon this specific section of statute [01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:45.000] Yeah, I'm trying to think of situations where this would become a problem [01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:46.000] If you [01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:48.000] Well, just wanted to throw that out there, I'll let you get to it [01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:56.000] Yeah, that's a good point, I like these kinds of legal discussions [01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:04.000] So I think we need to take it you're not, are you in Austin? [01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:06.000] No, no, I'm in Houston [01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:16.000] Oh, okay, you need to drive up to Austin and ask Eddie this question in his Sunday seminar [01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:19.000] Or not, maybe we can get somebody else to do it [01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:23.000] Maybe I'll call down there and ask him to address this issue [01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:38.000] That is a good point, and it certainly needs to be addressed, because if that's taken generally, then you could include most anything in anything [01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:52.000] Yeah, I was most worried about when you get into the definition of person, and when they say person includes, well then, you know, they're using it with this new definition of includes in the government code [01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:55.000] From the hierarchy that I'm seeing it [01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:07.000] So then it wouldn't be where a person, you're talking about 17A of the Code of Criminal Procedure [01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:23.000] Where it says person includes corporations, associations, and so they're taking that, and I've had a number of people take that to mean that person only includes that [01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:30.000] And we had a discussion about that recently with Danny Murphy where he brought up that definition [01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:44.000] And we were saying, you know, this is, it's inconsistent if person only includes a corporation or an association [01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:50.000] Then every other place would have to designate what? [01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:57.000] I know we want to say a living being, living human being, but is that definition in the codes anywhere? [01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:03.000] I don't think it is, and when it's not, we have to go back to the dictionary meaning [01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:17.000] But I have never seen, well, I have seen the places where living person, the living human being is included in person, but not in the penal code [01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:22.000] Oh, I thought it was in the penal code where they define it as a living man, you know [01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:33.000] No, penal code doesn't, and that's what he was talking about, there used to be a, I think he was talking about the definition in chapter 3, 311 [01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:39.000] That there was a definition of person there and it's been taken out [01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:46.000] So now we go back to the, since we're in the Code of Criminal Procedure, the only definition we have is one in the code [01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:55.000] And the only definition in the code of person is in 17A, and that says it includes a corporation or an association [01:42:55.000 --> 01:43:06.000] And they took that to mean it only includes corporation or association, so this definition would imply that [01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:18.000] It could also include something else, which is the logical and reasonable living human being, which is not defined in the penal code, so you'd have to go to the [01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:27.000] Black's Law Dictionary or to Webster's and find the meaning there and apply it where a person is referenced [01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:38.000] Where a person is accused of doing something that a corporation can't do, a corporation can't punch me in the mouth, it ain't possible, so they would have to refer to it naturally [01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:47.000] Okay, interesting, thank you, great question, out of time, thanks Max, and thank you all for listening [01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:57.000] Listen tomorrow night, we'll do our four hour info marathon, make sure you call in, ask us lots of hard questions and we can play stomp the chops [01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:25.000] Thank you for listening, good night [01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:30.000] Unfortunately, that puts most Americans at risk of catching stupidity, but there is hope [01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:36.000] The staff at Brave New Books have helped me and thousands of other Foxaholics suffering from sports zombieism recover [01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:43.000] And because of Brave New Books, I now enjoy reading and watching educational documentaries without feeling tired or uninterested [01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:54.000] So if you or anybody you know suffers from stupidity, then you need to call 512-480-2503 or visit them in 1904Guadalupe or bravenewbookstore.com [01:44:54.000 --> 01:45:00.000] Side effects from using Brave New Books products may include discernment and enlarged vocabulary and an overall increase in mental functioning [01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:07.000] Are you the plaintiff or defendant in a lawsuit? 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We'll be back in a minute [01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:54.000] I am not having a great day today. When we went out at the 930 break, I said we had one more segment [01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:58.000] And when we got out, I looked at the clock and said, why did I say that? We had two more segments [01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:03.000] And then I wind up doing it anyway. I think I'm brain dead here lately [01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:11.000] And I apologize for losing track of where I'm at. I guess I'll just attribute it to getting old [01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:19.000] Okay, we still have another segment and I'd like to finish up on talking about the politics [01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:24.000] Because that's becoming far more important than anything else [01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:32.000] If you are in a foreclosure situation, there are a number of things you should look at [01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:41.000] You might go to the freemortgagehelp.net site and on the first page, about in the middle of the page, [01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:46.000] there are links to some letters you should be sending out [01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:52.000] And if you're looking at a foreclosure issue, that's about the first thing you should do [01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:57.000] Because these will set up claims that you can make [01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:03.000] We've heard here talk about robosigners. You can go into court and say, your honor, [01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:08.000] I looked on the internet and his name splattered all over the internet, he's a robosigner [01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:12.000] And the judge is going to say, okay, so what? [01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:20.000] That does not mean that in this particular circumstance, he did not have authority to sign the document that he signed [01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:26.000] You're going to have to give me something more than a broad, vague implication [01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:33.000] So what you do is you send the company for whom the person signed the document [01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:38.000] You take any document that's filed in the public record and it has a signature on it [01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:42.000] Like MERS always has these signatures on there [01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:49.000] You send a letter to MERS and tell MERS that you have a document wherein this person signed [01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:58.000] Under implied power of attorney for your company, please provide me with evidence of power of attorney [01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:02.000] Well, we've never gotten a response to one of those letters [01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:09.000] So what that does is when you go to court, you can say, your honor, this guy's name splattered all over the internet [01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:11.000] He's a robosigner [01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:17.000] And since we had reason to believe he was a robosigner, we sent a letter to the company for whom he signed [01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:21.000] And we requested evidence of power of attorney [01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:28.000] And we got no response, therefore we have reason to believe and do believe that this guy's a robosigner [01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:40.000] All of your notaries send a letter to them asking them for evidence of the authentication of each document they have a name on [01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.000] And there's a number of other things to do [01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:49.000] And what this is for is not that they're going to win you the case [01:49:49.000 --> 01:50:00.000] Although we have Frances in California who's got a good shot at it because she sued the notary [01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:07.000] When she filed suit, she named the notary, the notary didn't respond, now she's moving for summary judgment against the notary [01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:10.000] But that may not win the whole case for her [01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:14.000] But anyway, we want to develop as many claims as we can [01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:18.000] And it's not because you think you can win the claims [01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:21.000] I know lawyers are kind of cringe at this [01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:30.000] But if I have a valid claim, just because the courts are corrupt and are ruling against those claims [01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:35.000] Is no reason I shouldn't try to get the law changed [01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:40.000] Or get the judges to rule correctly on an issue [01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:48.000] Just because I don't think they're going to rule correctly, you know, we've still got a shot at it [01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:53.000] But more importantly, this goes to the politics of the case [01:50:53.000 --> 01:51:03.000] If you file these civil action against the lawyers, you know, this is primarily one of our primary strategies [01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:09.000] Then you want as many claims as you can [01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:15.000] Because in the end, it's not about the law, it's about the money [01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:21.000] And goes to the old adage, always follow the money, it's always about the money [01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:29.000] The judges tend to rule for the banks because the banks have the money and the banks contributed to their election campaigns [01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:35.000] Even if the judge wants to be honest, these kind of things influence them [01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:42.000] And you go into court and the judge hears these people come in and rail against the banks [01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:46.000] And he's sitting there thinking they're not paying their bills and they're railing against the banks [01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:51.000] One after another, after another, after another, gets old after a while [01:51:51.000 --> 01:52:00.000] And even if the judge wants to be fair and honest, we have to take into account that the judges are in the end human beings [01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:07.000] Subject to the same kinds of pressures and frustrations that everybody else is [01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:16.000] So try to get a proper adjudication, but don't expect it [01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:24.000] More important, set up your case so that you can get a good mediated settlement [01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:32.000] The more issues we put in the case, the more it's going to cost the bank to fight you [01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:37.000] And the more likely they are to lose one [01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:40.000] Again, human beings [01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:48.000] You know, they tell you in sales the first thing you want to do is get your client to say no to you [01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:53.000] Now I know that's not intuitive, but it works [01:52:53.000 --> 01:53:00.000] I had my own business and I'd go in and do a demonstration and I'd say, okay, when do you want me to start? [01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:04.000] And they'd say, oh no, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait [01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:11.000] And now I got past that first no. Once you get past the first no, the rest doesn't get a lot easier [01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:20.000] But on the other hand, a person only has so many nos in them [01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:29.000] You got this guy in here and he brings up this issue, the judge says no, brings up this one, no, no, no, no [01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:37.000] He gets tired of telling you no, people just get, they get to feeling guilty [01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:44.000] Even if you don't have a right to it, they still feel bad telling you no one time after another after another [01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.000] So put everything you got in there [01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:54.000] Came out of court, I had a guy that was running for state representative, he was a lawyer in the county I live in [01:53:54.000 --> 01:54:01.000] And I showed him a suit that I had filed against the sheriff [01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:07.000] And the lawyer looked at it and he said, well, Mr. Kelton, you put everything in here but the kitchen sink [01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.000] I said, I tried to get that in there [01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:21.000] He said, well, you know, if you throw enough horse dumplings up against the wall, one of them's likely to stick [01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:33.000] And that was exactly the idea, so when you file your suit, don't make frivolous or unfounded arguments [01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:37.000] That will essentially prejudice the judge against you [01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:41.000] But do your homework and find as many arguments as you can [01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:48.000] And I suggest first place to go look is in the county recorder's office [01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:52.000] 13.001 Texas Property Code [01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:58.000] And every state is going to have a code that reflects this particular one [01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:03.000] What it says is any claim against real property [01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:11.000] Not properly acknowledged or proven, and proven means two witnesses from the Bible [01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:15.000] Not properly acknowledged, that means notarized or proven [01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:20.000] And filed in the public record is void as to the holder [01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:24.000] Now, that is not hard to understand [01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:28.000] The legislature did not mince words [01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:33.000] So when you look through the public record, like I did on one today [01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:41.000] There was a loan issued by Countrywide in 2007 [01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:48.000] There was an assignment of the security instrument made by MERS [01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:55.000] Assigning the property, the security instrument to Bank of America, 2012 [01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:59.000] What's wrong with that picture? [01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:04.000] Well, Countrywide was a person under law [01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:09.000] And in 2010 that person died [01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:15.000] Died without transferring the security instrument to some other party [01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:19.000] And then in 2012, two years later [01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:23.000] Somehow the person came back from the grave [01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:29.000] And ordered MERS to transfer the security instrument [01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:33.000] Good luck on arguing that in court [01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:36.000] When Countrywide went out of business [01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:42.000] MERS stopped being Countrywide's agent because Countrywide didn't exist anymore [01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:46.000] But they filed this document under the authority of Countrywide [01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:52.000] Under 51901C, that's defined as a fraudulent document [01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:58.000] And if a lawyer attempts to adjudicate a foreclosure based on this document [01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:03.000] The lawyer can be sued personally for that [01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:10.000] Now, we don't really expect to win in the end because the judges are essentially corrupt [01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:15.000] Okay, maybe they're not, but we need to act as if they are [01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:22.000] So, what we really want is leverage when we come to the table [01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:27.000] So we can say, here are the problems you have to overcome [01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:30.000] How much you think that's going to cost you to overcome these? [01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.000] And you, the lawyer, you want to churn this case? [01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:36.000] I'll churn you right in the poorhouse [01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:41.000] You try to put this case on, I'll sue you personally [01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:46.000] I don't care who I get my money from, I can get it from the bank or get it from you [01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:52.000] This gives them a reason to come to the table always before you file a case [01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:56.000] Do not expect to win outright in the end [01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:01.000] There's a term in law called in the alternative [01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:10.000] If you can't get everything you want, what won't you accept as a win in the alternative? [01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:18.000] And decide what that is, ask for whatever you want to, settle for what you want [01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.000] And you win [01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:23.000] This is Randy Kelvin, Debbie Stevens, Real Law Radio [01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:27.000] Thank you all for listening, and I apologize for goofing up tonight [01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:31.000] Somehow my brain got scrambled [01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:35.000] But we'll be back tomorrow night with our four hour info marathon [01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:39.000] It's all Steve's fault, he wasn't here to keep me on track [01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:44.000] So, being a guy, we don't take responsibility, we've got to blame somebody else [01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:47.000] So, tomorrow night I'll have him on the air, so I'll blame him for everything [01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:50.000] Thank you for listening, good night [01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:57.000] Bibles for America is offering absolutely free a unique study Bible called the New Testament Recovery Version [01:58:57.000 --> 01:59:04.000] The New Testament Recovery Version has over 9,000 footnotes that explain what the Bible says verse by verse [01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:08.000] Helping you to know God and to know the meaning of life [01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:11.000] Order your free copy today from Bibles for America [01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:20.000] Call us toll free at 888-551-0102 or visit us online at bfa.org [01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:26.000] This translation is highly accurate and it comes with over 13,000 cross references [01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:30.000] Plus charts and maps and an outline for every book of the Bible [01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.000] This is truly a Bible you can understand [01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:40.000] To get your free copy of the New Testament Recovery Version, call us toll free at 888-551-0102 [01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:49.000] That's 888-551-0102 or visit us online at bfa.org [01:59:49.000 --> 02:00:11.000] You're listening to the Logos Radio Network at logosradionetwork.com