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[00:57.760 --> 00:59.040]  And now this news.
[00:59.040 --> 01:04.000]  The UN's World Health Organization is warning that antibiotic resistant superbugs are no
[01:04.000 --> 01:09.240]  longer a prediction but a reality and are threatening the health of many across the
[01:09.240 --> 01:10.240]  world.
[01:10.240 --> 01:14.280]  The World Health Organization's first global report on the matter discovered the superbugs
[01:14.280 --> 01:18.080]  were able to evade even the strongest antibiotics.
[01:18.080 --> 01:23.320]  At least 10 countries are already experiencing an antibiotic resistant form of gonorrhea,
[01:23.320 --> 01:26.520]  a dangerous sexually transmitted disease.
[01:26.520 --> 01:30.880]  Analysts say it's a race against time to develop drugs capable of fighting the quickly
[01:30.880 --> 01:35.280]  evolving superbugs.
[01:35.280 --> 01:39.360]  The Commerce Department said Wednesday that growth in the U.S. economy during the first
[01:39.360 --> 01:42.720]  three months of 2014 slowed drastically.
[01:42.720 --> 01:47.260]  Some analysts are attributing the decline in economic activity, which has slowed since
[01:47.260 --> 01:50.900]  the end of 2012 to a long harsh winter.
[01:50.900 --> 01:56.160]  The residential construction industry took a big hit falling by 5.7 percent.
[01:56.160 --> 02:02.200]  Business development fell 2.1 percent and spending on equipment plunged 5.5 percent.
[02:02.200 --> 02:08.360]  Experts believe it will bounce back after the arrival of summer and warm weather.
[02:08.360 --> 02:13.480]  A recent LA Times report found that over 4 percent of those sentenced to death row are
[02:13.480 --> 02:14.480]  innocent.
[02:14.480 --> 02:18.440]  A report published Monday by the National Academy of Sciences came to their conclusion
[02:18.440 --> 02:23.080]  using what researchers call a survival analysis mathematical model.
[02:23.080 --> 02:27.360]  The longer a person stayed on death row, the higher the chance that he or she would be
[02:27.360 --> 02:28.360]  exonerated.
[02:28.360 --> 02:32.800]  Furthermore, the researchers calculated that if all of those sentenced to death were kept
[02:32.800 --> 02:38.520]  on death row indefinitely, without being executed, receiving a life sentence or dying of another
[02:38.520 --> 02:42.560]  cause, at least 4.1 percent would eventually be exonerated.
[02:42.560 --> 02:47.400]  In the latest death row controversy, Oklahoma officials were forced to call off an execution
[02:47.400 --> 02:52.560]  after the series of a three-drug cocktail failed to work correctly.
[02:52.560 --> 03:22.480]  Officials investigating the botched job say the inmate died of a heart attack.
[03:23.480 --> 03:50.400]  Alright, howdy, howdy.
[03:50.400 --> 03:57.640]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Radio on this Cinco de Uno on this first day of
[03:57.640 --> 04:01.880]  May 2014.
[04:01.880 --> 04:05.980]  We don't have a guest tonight, so our phone lines will be open all night.
[04:05.980 --> 04:13.640]  Give us a call if you have a question or comment on most any subject within the range of what
[04:13.640 --> 04:16.640]  we talk about here.
[04:16.640 --> 04:22.960]  And I wanted to start out talking about some things that are going on here in the Dallas
[04:22.960 --> 04:25.200]  Fort Worth area.
[04:25.200 --> 04:29.920]  We have some people up here who are getting rather active.
[04:29.920 --> 04:35.280]  Oh, call in number 512-646-1984.
[04:35.280 --> 04:45.880]  And we did have an unfortunate email go out to Richard Cornforth's people.
[04:45.880 --> 04:49.480]  Apparently the email missed the date.
[04:49.480 --> 04:54.640]  If a lot of you people are listening and you're listening to hear Mr. Cornforth, he will be
[04:54.640 --> 04:59.240]  on tomorrow night, May the 2nd.
[04:59.240 --> 05:05.720]  And I apologize for the misunderstanding.
[05:05.720 --> 05:12.000]  And also he gave out our call-in number, which is 512-646-1984.
[05:12.000 --> 05:14.560]  That is not a listener line.
[05:14.560 --> 05:20.520]  It's a call-in line to call in to ask questions or make comments.
[05:20.520 --> 05:24.600]  And we're going to start out today with some things that we've kind of been going over
[05:24.600 --> 05:25.600]  before.
[05:25.600 --> 05:29.680]  It's kind of the basics.
[05:29.680 --> 05:36.080]  Mr. Cornforth will be on tomorrow night, and he's essentially going to talk about some
[05:36.080 --> 05:48.680]  of the basics of dealing with a legal issue and of all of the things we do here.
[05:48.680 --> 05:55.400]  We talk about different things and different subjects in that, but always we're essentially
[05:55.400 --> 05:58.440]  doing the same thing.
[05:58.440 --> 06:03.920]  Always we're trying to drill in the basics.
[06:03.920 --> 06:15.480]  Bear Bryant, a very well-known and winning football coach, when he was asked how he managed
[06:15.480 --> 06:27.000]  over an entire career to maintain a winning season every year, he said there were three
[06:27.000 --> 06:28.000]  things.
[06:28.000 --> 06:33.800]  Basics, basics, basics.
[06:33.800 --> 06:37.520]  So there are some really sophisticated things we talk about sometimes.
[06:37.520 --> 06:46.240]  But in the end, if you have the basics down, the rest of the sophistication will tend to
[06:46.240 --> 06:49.080]  kind of fall into place.
[06:49.080 --> 06:56.000]  And one of the best places to locate the basics is jurisdictionary.
[06:56.000 --> 07:00.800]  If any of you have a legal issue or are concerned that you may have a legal issue or someone
[07:00.800 --> 07:11.520]  you know is involved in legal issues that you would like to help, first thing, get jurisdictionary.
[07:11.520 --> 07:23.520]  Go to logosradionetwork.com and go to the sponsors page, and you'll find jurisdictionary
[07:23.520 --> 07:26.260]  on there, and get jurisdictionary.
[07:26.260 --> 07:28.120]  Go through that.
[07:28.120 --> 07:36.560]  It will give you a basic understanding of how law is practiced.
[07:36.560 --> 07:37.560]  Lawyers go to law school.
[07:37.560 --> 07:44.520]  They learn a whole lot about how to argue legal issues, how to present evidence to a
[07:44.520 --> 07:50.560]  court in a way that a court can accept in accordance with the rules of evidence, and
[07:50.560 --> 07:56.720]  then how to apply the law to the facts that are presented to the court.
[07:56.720 --> 08:00.640]  But they don't learn a lot about the actual practice of law, the nuts and bolts day to
[08:00.640 --> 08:01.640]  day.
[08:01.640 --> 08:05.560]  They get out of law school, they don't know how to file a motion.
[08:05.560 --> 08:08.580]  They don't know how to get a motion put on for hearing.
[08:08.580 --> 08:14.340]  All of these technical things, these hands-on things, they don't learn that in law school.
[08:14.340 --> 08:19.160]  The law schools expect most of their students to get out of law school and then go to work
[08:19.160 --> 08:21.440]  for a law firm.
[08:21.440 --> 08:29.560]  And working for the law firm, they learn all of these technical aspects of what to file,
[08:29.560 --> 08:31.240]  when to file it, how to file it.
[08:31.240 --> 08:36.320]  And I think the most important thing is what to file.
[08:36.320 --> 08:44.640]  Once an issue is before the court, the new lawyer will understand how to argue the issue.
[08:44.640 --> 08:49.960]  But how to determine what issues to put before the court, that's not what they teach well
[08:49.960 --> 08:52.080]  in law school.
[08:52.080 --> 09:00.800]  This is why you have lawyers that tend to specialize in very highly focused areas.
[09:00.800 --> 09:05.800]  The primary thing, the worst thing that a lawyer can do, or one of the worst things,
[09:05.800 --> 09:12.480]  the one thing they tend to fear most is missing something.
[09:12.480 --> 09:19.160]  They go to law school, they spend all this money, and the average lawyer getting out
[09:19.160 --> 09:25.680]  of law school has between $140,000 and $180,000 student loan to pay off.
[09:25.680 --> 09:33.760]  And they don't really know anything about how to practice law, but they got to do something.
[09:33.760 --> 09:34.760]  They got this big...
[09:34.760 --> 09:38.240]  I had one lawyer say he had a house payment, he didn't have a house.
[09:38.240 --> 09:42.900]  They've got these payments to make, so they got to find a way to make money.
[09:42.900 --> 09:45.160]  So they try to go to work for a law firm.
[09:45.160 --> 09:51.200]  If they can't, they can't just go out and start practicing because the one thing they
[09:51.200 --> 10:00.960]  can't afford to do is once they get that bar card, they become learned counsel.
[10:00.960 --> 10:06.320]  And learned counsel can't afford to miss anything.
[10:06.320 --> 10:11.760]  One of the things they don't teach in law school is how to develop the information you
[10:11.760 --> 10:16.440]  need from your client.
[10:16.440 --> 10:21.880]  Your client is trying to sell you on representing him.
[10:21.880 --> 10:28.560]  And if you're trying to get someone to do something, you kind of instruct that inner
[10:28.560 --> 10:34.600]  part of your mind that bring words and phrases up to your consciousness.
[10:34.600 --> 10:40.520]  Because when we talk to people, we don't have to contemplate what words we should use and
[10:40.520 --> 10:45.600]  how we should string those words together into a sentence that's coached and understandable.
[10:45.600 --> 10:49.600]  But we have another part of the mind that does that.
[10:49.600 --> 10:53.080]  It delivers up content for us.
[10:53.080 --> 11:04.360]  Well, in any given situation, we consciously tend to decide on a context for the conversation.
[11:04.360 --> 11:07.960]  And in this case, the guy's coming to a lawyer, he's trying to get the lawyer to represent
[11:07.960 --> 11:09.440]  him.
[11:09.440 --> 11:17.040]  So the context is to sell the lawyer on why it's a good idea for him to represent you.
[11:17.040 --> 11:26.040]  Well, there's a intuitively understood rule in sales, never bring up a negative.
[11:26.040 --> 11:32.800]  So that inner mind that delivers up content is not going to tend to deliver up all of
[11:32.800 --> 11:40.640]  the bad things you did that's likely to give the lawyer reason not to hire you, not to
[11:40.640 --> 11:44.320]  take on your case.
[11:44.320 --> 11:54.440]  So it may not necessarily be that the client doesn't intend to tell the truth and it doesn't
[11:54.440 --> 12:01.040]  necessarily deliberately hide information from the lawyer.
[12:01.040 --> 12:07.360]  The problem is the context, that part don't come to mind because you've instructed the
[12:07.360 --> 12:11.960]  inner mind to sell the lawyer, not chase him off.
[12:11.960 --> 12:19.040]  So how does the lawyer extract from the client what they need?
[12:19.040 --> 12:26.600]  Problems they have, even if the client was felt in no way intimidated, so he had no reason
[12:26.600 --> 12:29.360]  to hold anything back.
[12:29.360 --> 12:34.900]  The client knows what happened, but he doesn't know what the legal elements are that he would
[12:34.900 --> 12:42.360]  have to negotiate in order to achieve remedy in his case.
[12:42.360 --> 12:47.720]  The lawyer knows what the elements are, but he didn't know what the facts are.
[12:47.720 --> 12:52.560]  He doesn't know what to ask the client because he doesn't know what happened.
[12:52.560 --> 12:57.760]  The client doesn't know what to tell the lawyer because the client doesn't know what the elements
[12:57.760 --> 12:59.300]  are.
[12:59.300 --> 13:02.520]  So we have this bit of an impasse here.
[13:02.520 --> 13:07.520]  So the lawyer asks you to just tell your story and if you watch the lawyer, once while he'll
[13:07.520 --> 13:09.760]  make a note on the pad.
[13:09.760 --> 13:15.920]  Well what he's doing is he's listening for legal elements, issues that he can adjudicate
[13:15.920 --> 13:22.560]  and he's trying to sort those out from the plethora of information you present to him.
[13:22.560 --> 13:26.880]  This is not something you learn how to do in law school, this is something that takes
[13:26.880 --> 13:30.560]  a long time and a lot of practice.
[13:30.560 --> 13:41.400]  I know we've talked about electronic lawyer and we have developed a tool that will do
[13:41.400 --> 13:50.240]  this extraction for you and we will expect in about four months to have this thing up
[13:50.240 --> 13:52.660]  and online.
[13:52.660 --> 13:57.160]  And we'll have this available where if you have an issue, we'll start out with legal
[13:57.160 --> 13:58.160]  issues.
[13:58.160 --> 14:05.280]  You can go in and fill out this questionnaire and it will give you a complete analysis.
[14:05.280 --> 14:14.040]  The questionnaire will ask questions that go to legal elements and then in certain places
[14:14.040 --> 14:19.880]  ask for facts from you to support those elements.
[14:19.880 --> 14:23.520]  It's a lot more efficient way of going about it.
[14:23.520 --> 14:28.120]  But in any case, the lawyer, he doesn't know how to do that.
[14:28.120 --> 14:34.980]  So when he gets out, generally they will either go to work for another law firm, get a job
[14:34.980 --> 14:44.080]  as a clerk in a court or something, or they will go down to the court and put their name
[14:44.080 --> 14:48.440]  on the court appointed counsel list.
[14:48.440 --> 14:51.680]  Court appointed counsel, if you're court appointed counsel, you don't have to worry much because
[14:51.680 --> 14:54.280]  you don't have to do anything.
[14:54.280 --> 15:01.000]  We had a caller on once who had a court appointed counsel and he frustrated the counsel.
[15:01.000 --> 15:04.880]  Counsel finally got annoyed and told him, look, my only purpose here is to make sure
[15:04.880 --> 15:09.000]  you don't have cause for appeal.
[15:09.000 --> 15:11.640]  So that doesn't take much.
[15:11.640 --> 15:17.360]  They don't really have to adjudicate the case because the judge and the prosecutor attorney
[15:17.360 --> 15:23.520]  is going to take care of him as long as he's screwing the client, so long as he's positioning
[15:23.520 --> 15:31.880]  the client such that when the prosecutor offers a deal, the client will take the deal.
[15:31.880 --> 15:40.320]  This is a very efficient way of adjudicating criminal cases, so efficient that the last
[15:40.320 --> 15:45.520]  statistics I've heard on the average conviction rate for all crimes across the board in the
[15:45.520 --> 15:51.920]  state of Texas is 99.6.
[15:51.920 --> 15:58.500]  They are really good at what they do, they've got everything sorted out for themselves.
[15:58.500 --> 16:07.560]  So if you get accused of crime in Texas, guilt, innocence, none of that makes any difference.
[16:07.560 --> 16:13.640]  You're going to take a deal and that's all there is to that because every step is presently
[16:13.640 --> 16:15.520]  practiced in the state of Texas.
[16:15.520 --> 16:24.000]  Not only wrong, it is very specifically against particular law and it's not just against particular
[16:24.000 --> 16:29.400]  law, it's against particular law for a very specific purpose, for the purpose of placing
[16:29.400 --> 16:35.280]  a reasonable person of ordinary prudence in a position such that he has no reasonable
[16:35.280 --> 16:41.560]  option other than to take a deal or face being screwed by the corrupt courts.
[16:41.560 --> 16:46.280]  Moving on, Jeff, I see there we will pick you up when we come back on the other side.
[16:46.280 --> 16:53.520]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, our call-in number, 512-646-1984.
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[19:30.360 --> 19:31.360]  We are back.
[19:31.360 --> 19:36.360]  Randy Kelton, Debbie Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're gonna go to Jeff in Mississippi.
[19:36.360 --> 19:39.360]  I hope we have a good update.
[19:39.360 --> 19:40.840]  Hello, Jeff.
[19:40.840 --> 19:42.280]  Hey, guys.
[19:42.280 --> 19:44.840]  Thank you for having me on.
[19:44.840 --> 19:46.880]  How's it going down there in Hillbilly land?
[19:46.880 --> 19:48.520]  Yeah, I sure am.
[19:48.520 --> 19:54.400]  And just to catch everyone up, I was convicted and then I filed an appeal and I won the appeal
[19:54.400 --> 19:56.240]  for a retrial.
[19:56.240 --> 19:59.080]  So the appeals court granted me a retrial.
[19:59.080 --> 20:01.240]  And I got two quick questions.
[20:01.240 --> 20:07.440]  And one of them is when I went to my first trial, they used to beat me over the head
[20:07.440 --> 20:09.680]  with continuances.
[20:09.680 --> 20:11.360]  And I would show up on my trial date.
[20:11.360 --> 20:16.640]  I would sit there all day in court and at five o'clock, someone would walk in with a
[20:16.640 --> 20:22.920]  real stupid look on their face and say, oh, Mr. Hill, we continued your case.
[20:22.920 --> 20:26.600]  And they did that for 18 months.
[20:26.600 --> 20:31.960]  So since I've got a trial coming up on July the 28th, I don't want to show up to that
[20:31.960 --> 20:39.520]  courtroom and have someone play stupid and go, oh, we just continued your case.
[20:39.520 --> 20:40.520]  Is there-
[20:40.520 --> 20:41.760]  They have a problem.
[20:41.760 --> 20:42.760]  That's illegal.
[20:42.760 --> 20:43.760]  Okay.
[20:43.760 --> 20:49.920]  Yeah, they do to me like five times.
[20:49.920 --> 20:56.160]  When they set the court date, the prosecution has a duty to be prepared.
[20:56.160 --> 21:01.720]  Now, who got the continuance, your lawyer or the prosecutor?
[21:01.720 --> 21:02.720]  My lawyer.
[21:02.720 --> 21:06.720]  Oh, then your lawyer was screwing you.
[21:06.720 --> 21:08.240]  Okay.
[21:08.240 --> 21:10.600]  Do you have a lawyer this time?
[21:10.600 --> 21:17.360]  Well, I'm sure that they're going to assign me a public defender like they always have.
[21:17.360 --> 21:21.220]  And I don't know if that's good or bad, but the way I figured is I would rather load the
[21:21.220 --> 21:22.840]  responsibility on them.
[21:22.840 --> 21:25.560]  So if they mess up, I can point the finger at them.
[21:25.560 --> 21:32.800]  Well, what I suggest is when they appoint you counsel, you let counsel know, first time
[21:32.800 --> 21:34.880]  you ask for a continuance.
[21:34.880 --> 21:38.680]  When we have a court date set, I will bar grieve you.
[21:38.680 --> 21:39.840]  Okay.
[21:39.840 --> 21:41.960]  And I will do it every time.
[21:41.960 --> 21:48.880]  I expect that prosecutor to be ready to prosecute on the day they require that I be there.
[21:48.880 --> 21:50.000]  Got it.
[21:50.000 --> 21:53.500]  You make sure you are there, I'll bar grieve you every time.
[21:53.500 --> 21:55.920]  And then I'll bill you for my time.
[21:55.920 --> 21:57.540]  Got it.
[21:57.540 --> 22:01.520]  And then if you attempt to get removed from the case, I'll object to that and then sue
[22:01.520 --> 22:03.840]  the judge for interfering with the contract.
[22:03.840 --> 22:06.680]  This is what I told my attorney.
[22:06.680 --> 22:08.280]  Got it.
[22:08.280 --> 22:09.280]  And he was terrified.
[22:09.280 --> 22:10.280]  Okay.
[22:10.280 --> 22:15.620]  And you might want to make sure that you have your due process motions and everything before
[22:15.620 --> 22:16.620]  the court.
[22:16.620 --> 22:19.920]  You have a speedy trial motion before the court.
[22:19.920 --> 22:22.240]  I don't have one, no.
[22:22.240 --> 22:23.240]  Get one.
[22:23.240 --> 22:28.440]  All it has to say is you demand your right to a speedy trial.
[22:28.440 --> 22:29.720]  Got it.
[22:29.720 --> 22:31.360]  Did you look up motion in limine?
[22:31.360 --> 22:32.840]  Yes, I did.
[22:32.840 --> 22:33.840]  Yeah.
[22:33.840 --> 22:34.840]  Did you make up...
[22:34.840 --> 22:42.080]  Did you request for a judge to grant that either testimony regarding admissible or inadmissible
[22:42.080 --> 22:46.400]  evidence be either excluded or included?
[22:46.400 --> 22:48.840]  I've got a 20 page motion in limine.
[22:48.840 --> 22:50.800]  You should be close to that.
[22:50.800 --> 22:51.800]  Okay.
[22:51.800 --> 22:52.800]  I have not done one.
[22:52.800 --> 22:55.360]  I've just been studying on them.
[22:55.360 --> 22:56.960]  Okay.
[22:56.960 --> 22:57.960]  Send me an email.
[22:57.960 --> 22:59.240]  I'll send you mine.
[22:59.240 --> 23:00.240]  Okay.
[23:00.240 --> 23:01.680]  Got it.
[23:01.680 --> 23:02.680]  Get that filed.
[23:02.680 --> 23:04.320]  As a matter of fact, you'll send me an email.
[23:04.320 --> 23:11.400]  I'll go through the...there's some basic motions you want to file to protect your position.
[23:11.400 --> 23:13.180]  All right.
[23:13.180 --> 23:17.720]  And you might want to file for a franks hearing.
[23:17.720 --> 23:18.720]  Got it.
[23:18.720 --> 23:19.720]  We talked about that last week.
[23:19.720 --> 23:25.760]  Yeah, to test the validity of the complaint itself.
[23:25.760 --> 23:26.760]  Okay.
[23:26.760 --> 23:30.960]  Have you gotten anything concerning the grand jury?
[23:30.960 --> 23:36.520]  That was my second deal is we had been talking last week about the grand jury and this is
[23:36.520 --> 23:37.520]  what I've got.
[23:37.520 --> 23:45.520]  I did a public request to the clerk of the court requesting for my grand jury minutes
[23:45.520 --> 23:48.800]  and the direct complaint file.
[23:48.800 --> 23:53.360]  And I got a letter back from the clerk of the court signed by the clerk of the court
[23:53.360 --> 24:00.320]  saying there are no minutes to the grand jury and there is no direct complaint.
[24:00.320 --> 24:03.320]  Interesting.
[24:03.320 --> 24:10.000]  Have you looked at the Code of Criminal Procedure concerning grand juries?
[24:10.000 --> 24:17.600]  What does it tell the grand jury to do with the documentation after they find a true bill?
[24:17.600 --> 24:24.320]  It says that the foreman of the grand jury will bring the report to the clerk of the
[24:24.320 --> 24:27.080]  court.
[24:27.080 --> 24:34.760]  And then another statute or code, and I can't remember which one's which, says that a court
[24:34.760 --> 24:40.280]  reporter must be present during the grand jury hearings.
[24:40.280 --> 24:45.160]  And have you requested transcripts of the grand jury hearing?
[24:45.160 --> 24:46.320]  Yes, absolutely.
[24:46.320 --> 24:50.840]  That's what the public request record was, was the minutes or transcripts from the grand
[24:50.840 --> 24:56.360]  jury hearing and their answer was there are no minutes.
[24:56.360 --> 24:59.520]  Did they address transcript?
[24:59.520 --> 25:02.320]  They said there's no transcripts.
[25:02.320 --> 25:03.320]  Now did it say that?
[25:03.320 --> 25:10.240]  Did it say no transcripts or minutes or just no minutes?
[25:10.240 --> 25:17.680]  My letter says that I'm requesting the transcripts of the grand jury hearing and their answer
[25:17.680 --> 25:26.920]  was there is no paperwork other than the indictment that you were sent.
[25:26.920 --> 25:33.280]  Now you have reason to believe that no grand jury hearing was held.
[25:33.280 --> 25:34.680]  Yes.
[25:34.680 --> 25:37.440]  So you move to strike the indictment.
[25:37.440 --> 25:41.360]  Okay.
[25:41.360 --> 25:48.240]  That would, okay, that is interesting because that goes to some very serious business.
[25:48.240 --> 25:56.640]  You should also request a subpoena for every grand jury member.
[25:56.640 --> 25:58.280]  All right.
[25:58.280 --> 26:03.480]  You need to get all of this done before they appoint counsel.
[26:03.480 --> 26:09.360]  So you have all these documents before the court when they appoint counsel.
[26:09.360 --> 26:10.360]  Okay.
[26:10.360 --> 26:13.280]  I don't want to try to get him to do it?
[26:13.280 --> 26:14.280]  Absolutely not.
[26:14.280 --> 26:16.360]  You want all this in front of them first.
[26:16.360 --> 26:17.360]  Okay.
[26:17.360 --> 26:19.820]  Now he inherits it.
[26:19.820 --> 26:23.120]  So he has plausible deniability.
[26:23.120 --> 26:28.320]  When they appointed counsel for me in Austin, I sat down with counsel and I told him there
[26:28.320 --> 26:35.600]  are, I have documentation before the court that address 21 due process violations.
[26:35.600 --> 26:40.440]  You will adequately adjudicate every single one of those.
[26:40.440 --> 26:45.160]  You fail to adequately adjudicate a single one and I'll bar grieve you for it.
[26:45.160 --> 26:46.320]  Okay.
[26:46.320 --> 26:48.360]  And that terrified him.
[26:48.360 --> 26:53.560]  Mr. Kelton, you would grieve me in a heartbeat.
[26:53.560 --> 26:56.560]  We were talking on the phone at the time.
[26:56.560 --> 26:59.280]  He said, well, Mr. Kelton, I don't like to be threatened.
[26:59.280 --> 27:01.640]  Oh, that wasn't intended as a threat.
[27:01.640 --> 27:04.040]  That was intended as a heads up.
[27:04.040 --> 27:06.880]  But if you don't want anymore, that's okay.
[27:06.880 --> 27:08.640]  We'll just take it as it comes.
[27:08.640 --> 27:09.640]  Thank you.
[27:09.640 --> 27:10.640]  Bye.
[27:10.640 --> 27:11.640]  Click and I hung up on him.
[27:11.640 --> 27:12.640]  Okay.
[27:12.640 --> 27:16.400]  20 minutes later, he's calling back.
[27:16.400 --> 27:18.800]  I didn't answer.
[27:18.800 --> 27:21.760]  I screwed up the next morning at 830 and answered.
[27:21.760 --> 27:25.200]  I didn't have my glasses on so I couldn't see who it was.
[27:25.200 --> 27:30.760]  Boy, he was apologizing to the police.
[27:30.760 --> 27:38.000]  And I also told him that, you know, he's going to file a motion to withdraw.
[27:38.000 --> 27:41.760]  And I'm going to object to it, but the court will grant his motion to withdraw.
[27:41.760 --> 27:44.000]  And he said, yes, they would.
[27:44.000 --> 27:47.200]  And then I'm going to sue the judge for interfering with the private contract.
[27:47.200 --> 27:49.640]  Well, Mr. Kelton, I'm not under contract with you.
[27:49.640 --> 27:50.960]  I'm under contract with the state.
[27:50.960 --> 27:51.960]  Yes, you are.
[27:51.960 --> 27:55.600]  But I'm the intended third party beneficiary.
[27:55.600 --> 27:57.760]  Oops.
[27:57.760 --> 28:00.640]  So how to handle your lawyer.
[28:00.640 --> 28:02.560]  This is how to handle your lawyer.
[28:02.560 --> 28:08.880]  You give your lawyer plausible deniability.
[28:08.880 --> 28:14.160]  Once these issues are already in front of the court, he must deal with them.
[28:14.160 --> 28:20.800]  And one of the conditions of representation is that he makes no determinations, no decisions
[28:20.800 --> 28:24.680]  without consulting with you.
[28:24.680 --> 28:31.640]  First decision he makes without consulting with you, you bar-grieve him.
[28:31.640 --> 28:34.400]  He will be a real unhappy lawyer.
[28:34.400 --> 28:35.400]  Tough.
[28:35.400 --> 28:38.800]  Let him be unhappy.
[28:38.800 --> 28:43.400]  You've already beat him once and they're looking at it happening again.
[28:43.400 --> 28:49.040]  There is a very good chance when you start after this indictment that they will back
[28:49.040 --> 28:51.000]  up and everything will go away.
[28:51.000 --> 28:52.000]  Okay.
[28:52.000 --> 28:58.160]  Well, I've already bar-grieved the prosecutor for falsifying the indictment.
[28:58.160 --> 29:02.920]  Now, I didn't exactly know what I was doing, but I just stepped out and did it anyway.
[29:02.920 --> 29:09.960]  And I must have dealt with Cage because he sent what to me looked pretty phony, but it
[29:09.960 --> 29:13.320]  was supposedly the report from the foreman of the grand jury.
[29:13.320 --> 29:19.720]  Well, all it had was just a cover letter saying that so-and-so, the foreman of the grand jury
[29:19.720 --> 29:23.320]  here does oversee the proceedings and this and this and blah, blah, blah.
[29:23.320 --> 29:26.320]  It was just almost like a welcome letter.
[29:26.320 --> 29:31.520]  There's nothing that said Jeffrey Hill or Officer Steve Westcott or anything was coming
[29:31.520 --> 29:34.520]  to testify against me.
[29:34.520 --> 29:36.520]  It was just general.
[29:36.520 --> 29:37.520]  Good.
[29:37.520 --> 29:38.520]  Good.
[29:38.520 --> 29:41.920]  We want to address that when we come back.
[29:41.920 --> 29:44.880]  You may have a shot at him for perjury.
[29:44.880 --> 29:49.200]  If he's lied, then you subpoena these grand jury members.
[29:49.200 --> 29:50.200]  He has a problem.
[29:50.200 --> 29:51.200]  Hang on.
[29:51.200 --> 29:54.800]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, rule of law radio, I'll call your number.
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[33:32.720 --> 33:51.040]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Jeff
[33:51.040 --> 33:53.280]  in Mississippi.
[33:53.280 --> 33:57.600]  So this is, you know, I've gotten this kind of information before, especially from the
[33:57.600 --> 34:04.560]  federal courts, where when they're coming after somebody, the prosecutor will come in
[34:04.560 --> 34:11.440]  and get an indictment over something really simple, something he doesn't care about.
[34:11.440 --> 34:18.160]  And then he'll start doing his research, and then they come back and do superseding indictments.
[34:18.160 --> 34:22.560]  And the superseding indictments are almost always done by the prosecutor and not the
[34:22.560 --> 34:29.160]  grand jury, that the prosecuting attorney has a rubber stamp with the foreman's name
[34:29.160 --> 34:30.160]  on it.
[34:30.160 --> 34:31.160]  Okay.
[34:31.160 --> 34:34.840]  And literally rubber stamps the superseding indictments.
[34:34.840 --> 34:42.280]  And there is a very good chance that they never put this in front of a grand jury.
[34:42.280 --> 34:45.360]  I'll bet you $100.
[34:45.360 --> 34:46.560]  Okay.
[34:46.560 --> 34:49.920]  Now you start subpoenaing grand jury members.
[34:49.920 --> 34:56.120]  You need to establish a case, and we were talking about the basics earlier.
[34:56.120 --> 35:00.800]  So let's talk about some basics.
[35:00.800 --> 35:04.520]  First you have to state a set of facts.
[35:04.520 --> 35:15.840]  And the facts here are that only having to do with the grand jury hearing, that the grand
[35:15.840 --> 35:22.320]  jury hearing was alleged to have been held on this day at this time.
[35:22.320 --> 35:31.160]  These were the members of the grand jury at the time that a document was presented to
[35:31.160 --> 35:32.160]  the clerk.
[35:32.160 --> 35:43.040]  Now in Texas law, when the grand jury, once they voted on all of the presentments in front
[35:43.040 --> 35:50.480]  of them, they go before the court and the foreman will read the indictment or a true
[35:50.480 --> 35:57.240]  bill or no bill before the court and the clerk will make notes in the minutes of the court.
[35:57.240 --> 36:04.800]  What did the code say in Mississippi about how the indictment gets from the grand jury
[36:04.800 --> 36:07.120]  to the court?
[36:07.120 --> 36:12.560]  What I'm specifically going to, you said the foreman brings it to the clerk.
[36:12.560 --> 36:18.360]  Does a quorum of the grand jury have to be present?
[36:18.360 --> 36:26.080]  Oh, somehow you got un-libbed.
[36:26.080 --> 36:27.080]  Sorry.
[36:27.080 --> 36:28.080]  Okay.
[36:28.080 --> 36:29.080]  So repeat.
[36:29.080 --> 36:30.080]  I'm sorry.
[36:30.080 --> 36:31.080]  Hold on.
[36:31.080 --> 36:32.080]  Start again.
[36:32.080 --> 36:33.080]  I had you muted somehow.
[36:33.080 --> 36:34.080]  I thought I had unmuted you.
[36:34.080 --> 36:35.080]  Okay.
[36:35.080 --> 36:41.560]  How does the, go ahead, start again on how it gets to the grand jury.
[36:41.560 --> 36:45.160]  The only thing that I remember it saying, and I'll go back and do my homework, is it
[36:45.160 --> 36:52.800]  says that the foreman must present the report to the clerk of the court.
[36:52.800 --> 36:53.800]  Okay.
[36:53.800 --> 37:00.200]  The report, the word the means one previously mentioned.
[37:00.200 --> 37:04.520]  Where is the report previously mentioned in the code?
[37:04.520 --> 37:05.520]  Okay.
[37:05.520 --> 37:07.800]  I'll have to go study that.
[37:07.800 --> 37:14.880]  Okay, it's going to be in the area where, like in Texas, it says that the grand jury
[37:14.880 --> 37:21.880]  will, the prosecuting attorney will present the case to the grand jury and the grand jury
[37:21.880 --> 37:25.760]  will vote to true bill or no bill.
[37:25.760 --> 37:32.360]  There will be something like that in Mississippi code.
[37:32.360 --> 37:38.120]  But then it says the foreman shall seal up all documents had in the hearing and forward
[37:38.120 --> 37:40.320]  them to the clerk of the court.
[37:40.320 --> 37:45.080]  These are the kinds of details we're looking here for here.
[37:45.080 --> 37:51.560]  What did the legislature say was the procedure, because they're going to have one.
[37:51.560 --> 37:52.560]  Okay.
[37:52.560 --> 37:56.960]  This is way too important to leave this unspecified.
[37:56.960 --> 37:57.960]  Okay.
[37:57.960 --> 38:08.920]  Look at what the code said they were to do, and in our code where it says that the grand
[38:08.920 --> 38:17.080]  jury shall appear before the court with a quorum of the grand jury present, that means
[38:17.080 --> 38:20.200]  you got to have at least half of them present.
[38:20.200 --> 38:21.680]  All right.
[38:21.680 --> 38:23.240]  Then the foreman can present.
[38:23.240 --> 38:31.880]  I would expect that that would be in Mississippi law because if it's not, it opens the door
[38:31.880 --> 38:38.040]  for the prosecutor to go to the foreman and just get the foreman to write this up and
[38:38.040 --> 38:39.600]  give it to the clerk.
[38:39.600 --> 38:46.240]  There's no way to be sure that a hearing was actually held.
[38:46.240 --> 38:57.000]  If there's not a prescription in Mississippi law that prescribes a method to ensure that
[38:57.000 --> 39:03.800]  two people can't conspire with one another to indict a third, the whole point of the
[39:03.800 --> 39:12.000]  grand jury is actions have to be of the grand jury and not of some single individual.
[39:12.000 --> 39:14.160]  It's got to be in there somewhere.
[39:14.160 --> 39:25.560]  Now you set out the facts, this is what happened, and the foreman presented the report to the
[39:25.560 --> 39:26.560]  clerk.
[39:26.560 --> 39:33.160]  Did the report contain, you said what was in the report, it was like a code letter,
[39:33.160 --> 39:41.400]  but did it have something in there that stated that the grand jury voted to indict in this
[39:41.400 --> 39:43.320]  particular case?
[39:43.320 --> 39:44.320]  Indict me?
[39:44.320 --> 39:45.320]  Yeah.
[39:45.320 --> 39:47.800]  Or indict anyone?
[39:47.800 --> 39:48.800]  Indict anyone.
[39:48.800 --> 39:52.760]  Are you specifically named in that report as being indicted?
[39:52.760 --> 39:54.360]  Oh no, absolutely not.
[39:54.360 --> 39:57.460]  Not only that, but there's nothing about an indictment.
[39:57.460 --> 40:01.280]  It's just more of the responsibilities of the foreman, basically.
[40:01.280 --> 40:06.280]  It's a fluff letter.
[40:06.280 --> 40:07.280]  Okay.
[40:07.280 --> 40:15.800]  It doesn't say that they passed an indictment down or anything else over the letter to the
[40:15.800 --> 40:16.800]  court reporter.
[40:16.800 --> 40:17.800]  You need to take this document.
[40:17.800 --> 40:19.520]  I'm sorry.
[40:19.520 --> 40:23.400]  How is the document titled?
[40:23.400 --> 40:26.080]  I will get that and call you next week.
[40:26.080 --> 40:30.640]  Okay, that's real important because you look at the document, see if the document has a
[40:30.640 --> 40:32.640]  form number on it.
[40:32.640 --> 40:33.640]  Got it.
[40:33.640 --> 40:34.640]  Okay.
[40:34.640 --> 40:44.880]  It would do a specific request for that document by form number filed with the clerk in this
[40:44.880 --> 40:45.880]  case.
[40:45.880 --> 40:46.880]  Okay.
[40:46.880 --> 40:54.080]  And it will be on that document on which the court initiated a prosecution because prior
[40:54.080 --> 40:58.760]  to the indictment, there is no case against you.
[40:58.760 --> 41:08.000]  So the clerk would have to have that indictment in order to initiate a prosecution.
[41:08.000 --> 41:16.080]  And it needs to be technically correct because these are serious due process violations.
[41:16.080 --> 41:25.640]  And so you might do it in discovery since you're in a case, normally the case itself
[41:25.640 --> 41:30.280]  will preclude open records.
[41:30.280 --> 41:31.280]  That's what Texas says.
[41:31.280 --> 41:38.840]  And I would expect this to be in other states as well, is that you cannot supplant discovery
[41:38.840 --> 41:40.200]  by open records.
[41:40.200 --> 41:42.240]  All right.
[41:42.240 --> 41:48.520]  If you're requesting something that's involved in a action before the court, it must be requested
[41:48.520 --> 41:50.880]  under discovery.
[41:50.880 --> 41:56.860]  But then again, discovery gives you more leeway.
[41:56.860 --> 42:04.880]  You can only request under open records what's specifically made open for public inspection.
[42:04.880 --> 42:10.280]  Under discovery, you can request anything that might possibly have an effect on the
[42:10.280 --> 42:19.420]  outcome of your trial or might possibly wind up as evidence in the trial.
[42:19.420 --> 42:26.680]  So you definitely want to prepare subpoenas for all the grand jury members.
[42:26.680 --> 42:29.880]  Okay, got it.
[42:29.880 --> 42:34.680]  You prepare subpoena for the court reporter for the grand jury.
[42:34.680 --> 42:35.680]  Okay.
[42:35.680 --> 42:45.520]  Now, how is the court reporter noticed to be at a particular grand jury hearing?
[42:45.520 --> 42:52.360]  And who notices the grand jury member, the court reporter?
[42:52.360 --> 42:55.040]  I don't have a clue.
[42:55.040 --> 42:57.480]  Find out subpoena that person.
[42:57.480 --> 42:58.720]  Okay.
[42:58.720 --> 43:02.560]  If you can't find out subpoena the district clerk.
[43:02.560 --> 43:08.280]  I wrote the court reporter a letter and she wrote back admitting that she was not at the
[43:08.280 --> 43:12.360]  grand jury proceedings.
[43:12.360 --> 43:15.800]  But there was no court reporter there.
[43:15.800 --> 43:17.120]  And you have that written?
[43:17.120 --> 43:18.120]  Oh, yes.
[43:18.120 --> 43:19.120]  I've got hers.
[43:19.120 --> 43:20.120]  Okay.
[43:20.120 --> 43:33.120]  Then combine this all in a statement of facts and then do a argument.
[43:33.120 --> 43:38.680]  I call it a statement of factual accusation of points and authorities and argument in
[43:38.680 --> 43:44.640]  support where you take the facts and apply the law to the facts.
[43:44.640 --> 43:47.800]  We'll address that a little more when we come back on the other side.
[43:47.800 --> 43:51.200]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
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[46:20.640 --> 46:25.640]  If you could not wait any bit too long, would your process be done?
[46:25.640 --> 46:30.640]  Such a symptom and a soldier, a warrior of love, scuffling to keep the peace.
[46:30.640 --> 46:37.640]  All they're taking is a misunderstanding, and somebody calls the police.
[46:37.640 --> 47:05.680]  Okay.
[47:05.680 --> 47:06.680]  We are back.
[47:06.680 --> 47:14.640]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Jeff in Mississippi.
[47:14.640 --> 47:19.400]  This is a good subject because I wanted to talk about basics and this is a subject I
[47:19.400 --> 47:23.840]  wouldn't have thought to talk about.
[47:23.840 --> 47:31.760]  It goes to never stipulate to assume anything.
[47:31.760 --> 47:40.560]  When it comes to the indictment and the process that secured the indictment, what do you actually
[47:40.560 --> 47:48.160]  know as opposed to what you think you know?
[47:48.160 --> 47:51.000]  What was actually done?
[47:51.000 --> 47:57.760]  We have to be careful, especially when we're looking at public officials.
[47:57.760 --> 48:07.680]  A public official may only do what the official is specifically authorized to do and may not
[48:07.680 --> 48:11.720]  do anything they're not authorized to do.
[48:11.720 --> 48:15.960]  An indictment is not some informal process.
[48:15.960 --> 48:19.560]  It is a very formal process.
[48:19.560 --> 48:24.900]  What we want to know is exactly what is the process.
[48:24.900 --> 48:32.920]  Every single teensy-tinesy little step in keeping in mind that our corpus juris is a
[48:32.920 --> 48:34.520]  couple of hundred years old.
[48:34.520 --> 48:41.480]  Actually, it's a whole lot older than that because it's based on the English common law,
[48:41.480 --> 48:47.680]  which goes back to 1216, so it's 800 years old.
[48:47.680 --> 48:53.160]  We've been developing this body of law for 800 years.
[48:53.160 --> 49:03.080]  We have had time for just about everything that can go wrong to go wrong, and anywhere
[49:03.080 --> 49:11.560]  a reasonable person of ordinary prudence would tend to consider that there should be a check
[49:11.560 --> 49:12.560]  and balance.
[49:12.560 --> 49:15.400]  I assure you there is one.
[49:15.400 --> 49:20.360]  Unfortunately, the checks and balances weren't put in there to protect you and I.
[49:20.360 --> 49:30.120]  They were put in there by scoundrels because these scoundrels know they're scoundrels.
[49:30.120 --> 49:34.160]  Their problem is they're not the only scoundrels.
[49:34.160 --> 49:41.320]  They needed some way to protect themselves from each other, and they put these protections
[49:41.320 --> 49:44.240]  in place.
[49:44.240 --> 49:53.520]  Their problem is we get to invoke them and use them, and a primary tool is 42 U.S. Code
[49:53.520 --> 50:02.400]  1983, the Ku Klux Klan Act, that makes it a crime for a public official to fail to perform
[50:02.400 --> 50:06.840]  a duty he's required to perform or to exert or purport to exert an authority he doesn't
[50:06.840 --> 50:08.920]  expressly have.
[50:08.920 --> 50:11.360]  Every state will have a representation of that.
[50:11.360 --> 50:20.840]  Now let's go back and look at every step the public officials took in the creation of the
[50:20.840 --> 50:29.240]  indictment, keeping in mind that if they exerted or purported to exert an authority they didn't
[50:29.240 --> 50:35.240]  have or failed to do something they were required to do, they're screwed.
[50:35.240 --> 50:44.840]  News v. U.S. specifically addresses this issue of them having knowledge of what they could
[50:44.840 --> 50:46.600]  do and what they couldn't do.
[50:46.600 --> 50:48.120]  They cannot claim ignorance.
[50:48.120 --> 50:53.080]  A private citizen may not claim ignorance as a defense to prosecution.
[50:53.080 --> 50:58.920]  A public official in a position to affect the rights of a citizen is held to a much
[50:58.920 --> 51:06.480]  higher standard, and has some more verbiage in there, but it goes on to say, if a public
[51:06.480 --> 51:14.640]  official violates the ruling of this court and he be sain, he may not be held to say
[51:14.640 --> 51:16.240]  he knows not what he does.
[51:16.240 --> 51:27.920]  So with that in mind, let's make sure they dotted every single I crossed every T took
[51:27.920 --> 51:31.200]  no shortcuts.
[51:31.200 --> 51:40.120]  Since they are required to perform all of these acts, it is not unreasonable to expect
[51:40.120 --> 51:46.520]  that they would have been required to develop documentation so that they could prove that
[51:46.520 --> 51:48.400]  they performed these acts.
[51:48.400 --> 51:54.880]  You would hate to have an indictment for a mass murderer thrown out, not because they
[51:54.880 --> 52:03.080]  didn't do everything right, but because they couldn't prove that they did everything right.
[52:03.080 --> 52:05.240]  Go back and look at every detail.
[52:05.240 --> 52:08.160]  Think about every step.
[52:08.160 --> 52:19.040]  Does anything that they have done imply that something else had to be done?
[52:19.040 --> 52:30.400]  When you say that the grand jury brought the indictment, okay, just exactly how is that?
[52:30.400 --> 52:37.520]  We don't just accept broad indictment that would stipulate that every required step in
[52:37.520 --> 52:43.040]  the process was adhered to, and we stipulate nothing.
[52:43.040 --> 52:48.420]  We demand that they prove up every single step.
[52:48.420 --> 52:55.040]  One foo-paw, one mistake, indictment's trash.
[52:55.040 --> 53:04.720]  This may be the easiest way to give the prosecutor an exit strategy.
[53:04.720 --> 53:08.480]  Keep in mind, you will never win your case because you have the law and the facts on
[53:08.480 --> 53:11.080]  your side.
[53:11.080 --> 53:16.920]  It's hard for a lot of us to wrap our heads around that because we were brought up being
[53:16.920 --> 53:20.200]  told that that wasn't the case.
[53:20.200 --> 53:27.480]  But you have to keep in mind, the people who were telling you that, they were public officials.
[53:27.480 --> 53:31.360]  They want you to believe that, but in the end, it's all political.
[53:31.360 --> 53:39.200]  If you want the prosecutor to dismiss this case, so everything stops.
[53:39.200 --> 53:43.720]  How do you get the prosecutor to do that?
[53:43.720 --> 53:49.400]  Don't say you can do it by rule of law, forget that nonsense.
[53:49.400 --> 53:51.800]  Not going to work that way.
[53:51.800 --> 53:55.880]  Everything is political, and all politics is local.
[53:55.880 --> 54:03.000]  So how do we create local politics, local political pressure that would give the prosecutor
[54:03.000 --> 54:06.520]  reason to say, this is not worth the effort?
[54:06.520 --> 54:11.120]  We spent enough money on this case, let's make it go away.
[54:11.120 --> 54:17.360]  I think justice has been served, and make it go away.
[54:17.360 --> 54:22.320]  He's got to have some threat hanging over him.
[54:22.320 --> 54:32.080]  If there was no proper indictment, this goes right to the prosecuting attorney.
[54:32.080 --> 54:40.280]  You might want to look at making an accusation against the prosecuting attorney of falsifying
[54:40.280 --> 54:50.280]  the indictment, and then move for a special prosecutor of the prosecuting attorney, and
[54:50.280 --> 54:53.880]  move to disqualify the prosecutor's office.
[54:53.880 --> 54:56.640]  Not just the prosecutor.
[54:56.640 --> 55:06.160]  If one member of the office is disqualified for an impropriety in office, the whole office
[55:06.160 --> 55:08.800]  is disqualified.
[55:08.800 --> 55:15.840]  So move to disqualify the prosecutor and ask for an attorney pro tem to prosecute.
[55:15.840 --> 55:22.640]  The attorney pro tem can then come in and say, without losing face, we don't believe
[55:22.640 --> 55:25.760]  we have enough evidence to prosecute.
[55:25.760 --> 55:31.120]  It's been much too long, witnesses have gotten away, we can't effectively prosecute this
[55:31.120 --> 55:34.680]  case and suggest that it be dismissed.
[55:34.680 --> 55:42.340]  That way, the attorney pro tem can do that and not lose face, and he essentially will
[55:42.340 --> 55:47.720]  bail out the prosecuting attorney because the presumption is that once your case is
[55:47.720 --> 55:53.400]  gone away, you'll go away.
[55:53.400 --> 55:55.400]  So let's look at the politics.
[55:55.400 --> 55:56.400]  Look at it real carefully.
[55:56.400 --> 55:58.700]  Look at the details.
[55:58.700 --> 56:06.280]  Anything they hate worse than you ripping them apart on the tiny details.
[56:06.280 --> 56:13.040]  If you subpoena all of the grand jury members, these guys are going to go ballistic.
[56:13.040 --> 56:17.360]  They're going to move to quash, they're going to move for a protective order, they're
[56:17.360 --> 56:22.920]  going to jump up and down and wave their hands and rail in righteous indignation.
[56:22.920 --> 56:27.080]  And as soon as they start that, you move to prosecute, I mean, you move to disqualify
[56:27.080 --> 56:31.400]  the prosecutor because you have reason to believe he committed criminal acts in securing
[56:31.400 --> 56:35.080]  a fraudulent prosecution, this is going to terrify them.
[56:35.080 --> 56:42.440]  If they have in fact been doing this, what happens if they start testing others?
[56:42.440 --> 56:52.500]  Oh, were you the only person indicted that day?
[56:52.500 --> 56:54.400]  That almost never happens.
[56:54.400 --> 56:59.280]  They don't bring in the grand jury until they got a whole stack of them.
[56:59.280 --> 57:01.880]  So were you the only one indicted that day?
[57:01.880 --> 57:05.720]  Whole mess of them.
[57:05.720 --> 57:07.680]  Ask for the transcripts.
[57:07.680 --> 57:08.680]  Okay.
[57:08.680 --> 57:13.040]  The court reporter has said that she wasn't there that day?
[57:13.040 --> 57:14.040]  Exactly.
[57:14.040 --> 57:19.000]  And not only did she say that, but she said that court reporters are not present during
[57:19.000 --> 57:22.720]  a grand jury hearing, which I know is a lie because I've got a friend that's on the grand
[57:22.720 --> 57:29.640]  jury and he just told me that the court reporter is in there chomping away at her keyboard.
[57:29.640 --> 57:30.640]  Okay.
[57:30.640 --> 57:31.640]  Okay.
[57:31.640 --> 57:32.640]  What the court reporter will say.
[57:32.640 --> 57:35.120]  Do you have it recorded saying that?
[57:35.120 --> 57:37.840]  No, I have her letter.
[57:37.840 --> 57:40.400]  Oh, it's in her letter.
[57:40.400 --> 57:42.640]  Oh, that's even better.
[57:42.640 --> 57:43.640]  Okay.
[57:43.640 --> 57:51.200]  What she will claim she meant is the court reporter is not present during deliberations.
[57:51.200 --> 57:59.000]  You see, they don't make those little fine distinctions.
[57:59.000 --> 58:05.080]  The only thing that's really secret about the grand jury are the deliberations.
[58:05.080 --> 58:07.800]  Everything else is available to you.
[58:07.800 --> 58:11.800]  It may not be available to me, but you have a special interest.
[58:11.800 --> 58:17.560]  If there were other indictments, you need to put in a request, a specific request on
[58:17.560 --> 58:23.600]  each one for the transcripts and get them to tell you there are none for each one.
[58:23.600 --> 58:26.600]  Now you make this thing really political.
[58:26.600 --> 58:29.320]  Now you make it Rico.
[58:29.320 --> 58:30.680]  Okay.
[58:30.680 --> 58:31.680]  This could get ugly.
[58:31.680 --> 58:33.240]  Hang on.
[58:33.240 --> 58:35.040]  This could get a quiet time action.
[58:35.040 --> 58:42.800]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rue of La Radio, I call it number 512-646-1984.
[58:42.800 --> 58:44.120]  This could get to be fun.
[58:44.120 --> 58:45.120]  This is getting interesting.
[58:45.120 --> 58:50.160]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:04.060]  The UN's World Health Organization is warning that antibiotic resistant superbugs are no
[01:01:04.060 --> 01:01:09.000]  longer a prediction but a reality and are threatening the health of many across the
[01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:10.000]  world.
[01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.360]  The World Health Organization's first global report on the matter discovered the superbugs
[01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:18.160]  were able to evade even the strongest antibiotics.
[01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:23.400]  At least 10 countries are already experiencing an antibiotic resistant form of gonorrhea,
[01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:26.560]  a dangerous sexually transmitted disease.
[01:01:26.560 --> 01:01:30.960]  Analysts say it's a race against time to develop drugs capable of fighting the quickly
[01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:35.360]  evolving superbugs.
[01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.440]  The Commerce Department said Wednesday that growth in the U.S. economy during the first
[01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.800]  three months of 2014 slowed drastically.
[01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:47.340]  Some analysts are attributing the decline in economic activity, which has slowed since
[01:01:47.340 --> 01:01:50.980]  the end of 2012 to a long, harsh winter.
[01:01:50.980 --> 01:01:56.240]  The residential construction industry took a big hit, falling by 5.7 percent.
[01:01:56.240 --> 01:02:02.520]  Business development fell 2.1 percent and spending on equipment plunged 5.5 percent.
[01:02:02.520 --> 01:02:08.440]  Experts believe it will bounce back after the arrival of summer and warm weather.
[01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:13.560]  A recent LA Times report found that over 4 percent of those sentenced to death row are
[01:02:13.560 --> 01:02:14.560]  innocent.
[01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:18.520]  The report published Monday by the National Academy of Sciences came to their conclusion
[01:02:18.520 --> 01:02:23.140]  using what researchers call a survival analysis mathematical model.
[01:02:23.140 --> 01:02:27.320]  The longer a person stayed on death row, the higher the chance that he or she would be
[01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:28.320]  exonerated.
[01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:32.880]  Furthermore, the researchers calculated that if all of those sentenced to death were kept
[01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:38.240]  on death row indefinitely, without being executed, receiving a life sentence, or dying of another
[01:02:38.240 --> 01:02:42.640]  cause, at least 4.1 percent would eventually be exonerated.
[01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:47.500]  In the latest death row controversy, Oklahoma officials were forced to call off an execution
[01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:52.640]  after the series of a three-drug cocktail failed to work correctly.
[01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:56.800]  Officials investigating the botched job say the inmate died of a heart attack.
[01:03:22.640 --> 01:03:41.640]  OK.
[01:03:41.640 --> 01:03:42.640]  We are back.
[01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:47.840]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Real Law Radio, and talking to Jeff and Miss Sippy, and Jeff,
[01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:54.080]  this is the part I really like, because this is the part where you kick their butts big
[01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:55.360]  time.
[01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:02.720]  Most people, when they get into a legal issue, they kind of glance around over the surface
[01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:07.240]  and look for the big deals to grab hold of.
[01:04:07.240 --> 01:04:11.840]  I've learned not to pay too much attention to the big deals.
[01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.440]  It's kind of like when you're playing chess.
[01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:21.960]  Yeah, you kind of got to pay attention to the queens and the bishops and the rooks,
[01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:28.200]  but the pieces that win the game are the pawn moves.
[01:04:28.200 --> 01:04:33.400]  Guy moves the pawn out here, and you look at that and say, what the heck did he do that
[01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.680]  for?
[01:04:36.680 --> 01:04:42.600]  Toward the end game, all of a sudden, everything gathers up around that pawn, and there that
[01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:46.440]  pawn is sitting in everybody's way.
[01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:51.560]  The rook, the knight, the queen, anybody try to mess with that pawn, and all of his stuff
[01:04:51.560 --> 01:04:57.520]  has been positioned so that he will clobber you big time.
[01:04:57.520 --> 01:04:58.880]  Let's do pawn moves.
[01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.360]  Let's find pawn moves.
[01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:09.760]  And the way you find pawn moves is you discipline yourself and take them apart on the details.
[01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:17.280]  You do not assume anything, question everything.
[01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:25.760]  Every procedure, every flow of documentation, how did this happen exactly?
[01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:33.160]  When you start talking about this, you're going to create major politics.
[01:05:33.160 --> 01:05:38.040]  The thing that really frightens them the most are the details.
[01:05:38.040 --> 01:05:42.040]  The devil's always in the details.
[01:05:42.040 --> 01:05:52.680]  If you come at them over a really apparently minor detail, what they're going to do is
[01:05:52.680 --> 01:05:58.360]  they're going to go home and they're going to crack the door open to their deepest, darkest
[01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:06.560]  closet, and they're going to look in there for their most horrible, awful skeleton that's
[01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:15.440]  hidden back in the corner of that thing, and they're going to know you can see it.
[01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:22.060]  When I went to Williamson County, Alex Jones wouldn't even go into Williamson County.
[01:06:22.060 --> 01:06:30.360]  But my opinion was the more corrupt a county is, the more vulnerable they are, the more
[01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:31.360]  frightened they are.
[01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:35.160]  They know they're scoundrels, and they know they've got all these skeletons.
[01:06:35.160 --> 01:06:41.600]  When you start banging bones together, these guys start to shake.
[01:06:41.600 --> 01:06:45.080]  It's not the big deals, it's the little deals.
[01:06:45.080 --> 01:06:54.400]  I really like to do an information request where the request is designed for one thing.
[01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:58.200]  I don't care about the information I'm asking for.
[01:06:58.200 --> 01:07:05.760]  I do the request to get the other side to say, why is he looking there?
[01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:19.640]  I filed one in a traffic case recently, and I asked for the certification by the Department
[01:07:19.640 --> 01:07:25.400]  of Public Safety under the Texas Administrative Act.
[01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:33.880]  The Department of Public Safety came out, and she said, Mr. Kelton, I'm not sure what
[01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:36.200]  you're asking for here.
[01:07:36.200 --> 01:07:39.760]  Can you clarify what it is you're asking for?
[01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:41.760]  I said, yes, ma'am, I can.
[01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:52.120]  I want to see exactly what I asked for in that document.
[01:07:52.120 --> 01:07:58.020]  She stood there looking, she was clearly trying to engage me in a conversation where I would
[01:07:58.020 --> 01:08:01.960]  explain myself.
[01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:06.240]  When I did that, she looked at me like she was thinking, I wonder if I could get one
[01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:12.320]  of my policeman buddies to shoot this guy.
[01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:17.320]  She had no idea what I was asking, and then she said, Mr. Kelton, I'm not sure what you're
[01:08:17.320 --> 01:08:18.680]  asking for.
[01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:20.960]  Well, not a problem.
[01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:27.160]  Get your lawyer to go look in the administrative code, and he'll find it all in there.
[01:08:27.160 --> 01:08:32.160]  I want to see all of the certifications for police officers as listed in the Texas Administrative
[01:08:32.160 --> 01:08:33.160]  Code.
[01:08:33.160 --> 01:08:43.720]  Oh, well, they never responded to it, so I filed criminal charges against the custodian.
[01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:52.840]  Ask them for minor detailed information, and you want it generally enough so it points
[01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:57.280]  in an area, but it's not clear what you're looking for.
[01:08:57.280 --> 01:09:03.600]  When it's not clear what you're looking for, then they start getting worried.
[01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:09.400]  They all have skeletons in their closet, and every one of them will be afraid that you're
[01:09:09.400 --> 01:09:13.280]  looking at their skeleton.
[01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:16.240]  Never win your case because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:09:16.240 --> 01:09:18.800]  You do it with politics.
[01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:22.960]  They do this sort of thing to you.
[01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:30.240]  We just had someone here in Texas who's going after the family courts, and she got them
[01:09:30.240 --> 01:09:31.240]  real excited.
[01:09:31.240 --> 01:09:36.920]  She is really working them over, and the district attorney sent out a couple of investigators
[01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.680]  to talk to her, and then the FBI called her.
[01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:47.280]  She wanted her to come down for an interview, and Ken, a friend of mine, called me about
[01:09:47.280 --> 01:09:51.920]  it and asked what you should do, and this is advice to everybody.
[01:09:51.920 --> 01:10:01.800]  There is on the internet an excellent video by a law professor in North Carolina.
[01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:06.520]  When do you advise your client to talk to the police?
[01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:08.560]  Three answers.
[01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:13.000]  Never, never, never.
[01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:21.600]  He goes through a whole dissertation on why that is the case, why it is never, ever in
[01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:28.400]  your advantage to talk to the police, especially the FBI.
[01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:32.840]  If there's any FBI agents listening, they won't like to hear this, but I'm sorry, guys.
[01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.120]  You like the brown shirts.
[01:10:35.120 --> 01:10:37.760]  You like Hitler's brown shirts.
[01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:44.360]  You are a political arm of the president and nothing more.
[01:10:44.360 --> 01:10:50.160]  The FBI does not seem to care the least about reducing crime.
[01:10:50.160 --> 01:10:58.400]  They only care about promoting an agenda, and if the FBI asks you to come in for an
[01:10:58.400 --> 01:11:08.720]  interview, what I tell them is there is no way I'm walking into that place without witnesses
[01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:15.960]  and without absolute assurances, and everything that occurs in there will be recorded, and
[01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.320]  they always say, well, you can't bring a recorder in here.
[01:11:19.320 --> 01:11:28.200]  Well, we're not coming in there, and if you want to ask me any questions, write them down.
[01:11:28.200 --> 01:11:32.120]  It would be inappropriate to ask me to come to an interview where you're going to ask
[01:11:32.120 --> 01:11:40.200]  me questions, and I haven't had time to research to make sure I give you good quality answers.
[01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:47.320]  Write them down, and I guarantee you they will never write them down.
[01:11:47.320 --> 01:11:49.800]  Then I tell them, you want to meet with me?
[01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:55.880]  Meet me in a restaurant, some neutral location, and there will be a recorder on the table.
[01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:57.240]  We can't allow you to record us.
[01:11:57.240 --> 01:11:58.240]  You can just sit there and don't say anything.
[01:11:58.240 --> 01:11:59.240]  That'll work.
[01:11:59.240 --> 01:12:02.720]  If you want to have a meeting, we'll have a meeting, but we're not saying anything's
[01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.240]  not recorded.
[01:12:05.240 --> 01:12:08.880]  They will never, ever do it.
[01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:12.320]  Then that should tell you.
[01:12:12.320 --> 01:12:14.080]  You cannot trust them.
[01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:17.400]  Well, anyway, with that said, every-
[01:12:17.400 --> 01:12:21.880]  I've got one last silly question before I let you go.
[01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:26.120]  I got a letter from my appeals attorney wishing me luck.
[01:12:26.120 --> 01:12:31.600]  She said that, you know, I won the retrial, and so she will no longer be my attorney.
[01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:39.200]  Then she said the magic phrase, which has totally confused me, if the prosecutor wishes
[01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:44.600]  to retry you, then good luck.
[01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:50.160]  Does that mean that he has to put in a file like a notice of intent to retry?
[01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:51.640]  Yes.
[01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.760]  I have to get that in the mail?
[01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:58.760]  I'm not sure that- I'd have to look at the state.
[01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.840]  I'm not sure exactly what the process is, but you certainly might want to check into
[01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:04.920]  that process.
[01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.520]  I will call the clerk tomorrow.
[01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:13.080]  No, just think of the politics.
[01:13:13.080 --> 01:13:14.080]  Okay.
[01:13:14.080 --> 01:13:17.820]  That will send up a red flag.
[01:13:17.820 --> 01:13:24.920]  You might call this attorney and ask her how you would know, you know, what's the process
[01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:26.440]  for doing a retrial?
[01:13:26.440 --> 01:13:29.320]  What does the prosecutor do?
[01:13:29.320 --> 01:13:37.120]  Don't put up- avoid- you only bring something up to the clerk or to the prosecutor when
[01:13:37.120 --> 01:13:39.160]  it has political value.
[01:13:39.160 --> 01:13:40.640]  All right.
[01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.440]  A rule in law.
[01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:45.560]  No fair warning.
[01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:47.400]  Got it.
[01:13:47.400 --> 01:13:50.720]  Bushwhack is always better.
[01:13:50.720 --> 01:14:00.480]  So whenever I do an information request or discovery, I try to cloak the request in a
[01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:05.560]  way that they won't really know what I'm looking for.
[01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:09.560]  So they can't hide the information that I'm after.
[01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:14.560]  I have- I went in once and made them show- made the sheriff's department show me every
[01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:20.400]  single record that they kept, not the- not the what's in it, but what the name of the
[01:14:20.400 --> 01:14:23.440]  record was, where it was kept, how it was kept.
[01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:30.920]  The captain spent all day going through this with me and he asked- he said, Mr. Kelton,
[01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:35.520]  if there's something you're looking for, if you'll just tell me what it is, we can eliminate
[01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:36.520]  all of this.
[01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:38.240]  I said, yeah, we can.
[01:14:38.240 --> 01:14:44.120]  However, if I tell you what I'm looking for and then somehow that information turns up
[01:14:44.120 --> 01:14:49.200]  missing, I'm going to presume that you put it in your pocket and took it home.
[01:14:49.200 --> 01:14:50.840]  Well, Mr. Kelton, I wouldn't do that.
[01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.040]  I said, I know I wouldn't do that, but that would be the only legal presumption I would
[01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:55.040]  have.
[01:14:55.040 --> 01:14:58.560]  So if I give you any indication of what I'm looking for, then I can't find it and you're
[01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:02.160]  compromised and I'm trying to keep you from being compromised.
[01:15:02.160 --> 01:15:10.280]  Looked at me like he was wondering if he could get away with shooting me because he knew
[01:15:10.280 --> 01:15:11.280]  that was hogwash.
[01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:15.440]  Well, I sure appreciate it and I'll let the next caller get on.
[01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:18.000]  I'm sorry for taking up so much time.
[01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:19.000]  That's okay.
[01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:24.640]  This is actually, we don't have any more callers, but this is really a subject that I needed
[01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.840]  to talk about anyways.
[01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:28.840]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:35.480]  Keep us up to date and whatever you do, don't give them fair warning, sneak up on them.
[01:15:35.480 --> 01:15:42.680]  But if they know you're sneaking up on them, probably you're subpoena for the grand jury
[01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:43.680]  members.
[01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:44.680]  Yeah.
[01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:46.080]  You don't care what happens with it.
[01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:47.080]  Okay.
[01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:50.760]  You don't care if they suppress them because if you can find the grand jury members, they're
[01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:53.880]  going to assume that you'll find out who they are anyway and you go talk to them at the
[01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:55.320]  house and you can do that.
[01:15:55.320 --> 01:15:57.280]  Oh, I already know who they are.
[01:15:57.280 --> 01:15:58.280]  Oh, good.
[01:15:58.280 --> 01:16:04.560]  Then they'll figure you'll talk to them outside the court anyway.
[01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:11.160]  So this will give him reason if he has done some dirty dealings, this will give him reason
[01:16:11.160 --> 01:16:16.120]  to make this thing go away and he'll figure that if he makes the prosecution go away,
[01:16:16.120 --> 01:16:19.520]  then maybe this pain in the neck, he'll be able to go away.
[01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:20.520]  Got it.
[01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:21.520]  Okay.
[01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:22.520]  Okay.
[01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:24.000]  Thank you for calling.
[01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.600]  Keep us up to date.
[01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:26.920]  Okay.
[01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:31.560]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rue La Radio, and we don't have any more callers,
[01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:32.560]  so good.
[01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:38.040]  I do want to talk some more about probably the most important thing we can talk about
[01:16:38.040 --> 01:16:42.600]  is the politics, and it is the hardest thing to get our heads wrapped around.
[01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:50.400]  If you have any comments, if you think I'm full of baloney, give me a call, 512-646-1984.
[01:16:50.400 --> 01:17:00.880]  We can play Stump the Chumps, we'll be right back.
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[01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:25.840]  We are back.
[01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:31.520]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rue La Radio, and we were talking about details and I'm
[01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:39.840]  glad Jeff called because this went to an area that I don't talk about much and frankly
[01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:47.480]  it's something I need to talk about more so I kind of work out how to explain it.
[01:19:47.480 --> 01:19:57.080]  When we go to court, we generally go in with a set of expectations and most of these expectations
[01:19:57.080 --> 01:20:11.560]  we got in school, in civics class, well unfortunately they didn't tell you how it really works.
[01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:15.940]  It does not work that way and we keep saying you'll never win your case simply because
[01:20:15.940 --> 01:20:18.800]  you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:20.960]  To think so is naive.
[01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.920]  It is not that way now.
[01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:30.580]  It never has been that way since we've had courts and laws and judges.
[01:20:30.580 --> 01:20:37.360]  It's always been that you will win your case if you have the politics on your side.
[01:20:37.360 --> 01:20:45.920]  Now the rules and the law and the statutes, they're just the tools you use to manipulate
[01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.920]  the politics.
[01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:54.760]  I know that sounds coarse but unfortunately that's how it works and it's not really
[01:20:54.760 --> 01:21:03.640]  such a bad thing as long as you understand the politics because all politics is local.
[01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:08.680]  So how do we invoke local politics and what we're talking about with Jeff is one way
[01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:14.800]  is that you look very closely at the details.
[01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:21.640]  You look at what these officials are required to do.
[01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:27.480]  We've created a situation where we kind of have foxes guarding hen houses.
[01:21:27.480 --> 01:21:33.140]  We have judges ruling on what judges can and cannot do.
[01:21:33.140 --> 01:21:41.960]  We have prosecutors who work with judges and the prosecutor wants to go play golf on Friday.
[01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:47.320]  He doesn't want to be sitting in court in one hearing after another.
[01:21:47.320 --> 01:21:53.200]  The prosecutor, he's got more cases than he can get to but if he has to follow all of
[01:21:53.200 --> 01:21:58.320]  the due process, he's not going to be able to adjudicate all these cases.
[01:21:58.320 --> 01:22:10.640]  So over a period of time, through a series of seemingly minor adjustments toward administrative
[01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:18.920]  convenience and adjudicative expediency, the public officials to whom we have entrusted
[01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:34.760]  our proper adjudication of cases have so perverted the law that at this point, every arrest or
[01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:44.800]  every case and every step from arrest to trial is not only wrong, it is very specifically
[01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:48.040]  against particular law.
[01:22:48.040 --> 01:22:55.600]  At least as it's practiced in Texas and every other state I have looked at so far.
[01:22:55.600 --> 01:23:01.380]  Everywhere I've been, they do it the same except New York.
[01:23:01.380 --> 01:23:02.380]  That is surprising.
[01:23:02.380 --> 01:23:07.800]  New York is one of the only ones where the first steps are done correctly.
[01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:12.520]  Now once you get past the first steps, it generally winds up the same outcome and that
[01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:16.600]  first step is they take you to a magistrate.
[01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:21.680]  But every step is not only wrong, it's very specifically against particular law and it's
[01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:28.440]  against particular law for a very specific reason.
[01:23:28.440 --> 01:23:33.580]  Everything is intended to put a reasonable person of ordinary prudence in a position
[01:23:33.580 --> 01:23:41.640]  such that they have no option other than to take a deal.
[01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:48.640]  This is all about adjudicated expediency, but what is done is created a condition to
[01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:58.520]  where the United States, which holds approximately 3% of the world's population, houses approximately
[01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:03.520]  50% of the world's population of inmates.
[01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:18.000]  Our cost in supporting these inmates is astronomical and it's astronomical only because the prosecutor
[01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:26.560]  and the judges in an effort to make their jobs easier have streamlined the criminal
[01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:36.960]  justice system in a way that makes it such that if you are accused of crime, you are
[01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:47.640]  going to take a deal and that's all there is to that, 99.6 conviction rate.
[01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:53.960]  Would you recognize a police state if you were in one?
[01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:58.520]  This is the worst police state the world has ever seen and we don't know.
[01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:02.460]  Well, some of us know, most of my listeners know.
[01:25:02.460 --> 01:25:09.880]  We recognize that the police are becoming more isolated from the public, more militaristic,
[01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:13.120]  more frightened.
[01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:17.640]  This is what I see in police is they're frightened.
[01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:23.040]  Very rarely I come across a police officer who's not terrified of me.
[01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:32.320]  I was in Bowie, Texas and a police officer there was so afraid of me.
[01:25:32.320 --> 01:25:38.800]  He was literally shaking and he had no reason to even be talking to me.
[01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:44.400]  Someone had saw my avalanche sitting out by a chicken place that I was rebuilding into
[01:25:44.400 --> 01:25:49.680]  a donut shop and she had seen that avalanche at a convenience store she was at and she
[01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:55.360]  thought I had followed her down to this shopping center and called the police.
[01:25:55.360 --> 01:25:56.360]  That wasn't a problem.
[01:25:56.360 --> 01:25:57.360]  It was an odd car.
[01:25:57.360 --> 01:26:01.920]  It was when the avalanche first came out, so it was an unusual automobile and so it
[01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:02.920]  frightened her.
[01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:04.400]  Okay, I can handle that.
[01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:10.080]  The police came and they find me up on a roof with a tool belt on.
[01:26:10.080 --> 01:26:15.080]  So it was clear that I had purpose to be there and I hadn't followed her, but the policeman
[01:26:15.080 --> 01:26:19.200]  wanted to exert his authority anyway and I kind of crawled down his throat.
[01:26:19.200 --> 01:26:24.320]  I wound up calling the dispatcher and asking them to send an officer out here because I
[01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:28.920]  had a policeman here with his hand on his pistol and I was afraid he was going to shoot
[01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:35.200]  me, but he's so terrified of me, I'm afraid he's going to urinate in his britches first.
[01:26:35.200 --> 01:26:39.400]  So get somebody out here.
[01:26:39.400 --> 01:26:44.360]  That was not the first time I've looked at an officer and it was clear he's terrified
[01:26:44.360 --> 01:26:46.880]  of me.
[01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:51.200]  Why have they told these policemen to get them so afraid of us?
[01:26:51.200 --> 01:27:00.280]  Well, we have allowed our system to deteriorate because we haven't done what we need to do
[01:27:00.280 --> 01:27:03.720]  to fix it.
[01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:10.440]  When they violated a minor rule or stepped across a tiny little legal line, we didn't
[01:27:10.440 --> 01:27:15.080]  jump up and rail in righteous indignation.
[01:27:15.080 --> 01:27:21.480]  I have grandkids and I love them dearly and if one of them runs out in the road, I'm fixing
[01:27:21.480 --> 01:27:29.400]  to tan his hide, actually, I'm not going to wait until he runs out in the road.
[01:27:29.400 --> 01:27:34.120]  When he gets a little bit too close to the road, I'm fixing to tan his hide.
[01:27:34.120 --> 01:27:37.960]  We owe that to our police.
[01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:42.880]  Let's not wait until they get run over to say, don't do that.
[01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:51.400]  Let's not wait until a policeman beats a 16-year-old to death in a fit of uncontrolled rage.
[01:27:51.400 --> 01:27:54.760]  Let's curb his rage earlier.
[01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:57.200]  That was my concern with this particular officer.
[01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:02.860]  He was so terrified that he was acting outrageous.
[01:28:02.860 --> 01:28:07.320]  So I called the dispatcher and when I told the dispatcher I was afraid he's going to
[01:28:07.320 --> 01:28:15.120]  get his britches, he looked at me like he couldn't believe that I said that.
[01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:17.240]  He will never hear the end of this.
[01:28:17.240 --> 01:28:22.760]  I said, yeah, that's about a little pattern interruption here, bubba.
[01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:28.340]  You want to act like an idiot, we'll make it not come out well for you.
[01:28:28.340 --> 01:28:33.140]  But if we're going to fix this, we'll fix it with the details.
[01:28:33.140 --> 01:28:38.840]  They stop paying attention to the details and they just gloss over the details.
[01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:44.360]  We take them apart on something that is so minor they can't believe it.
[01:28:44.360 --> 01:28:49.520]  I got all of the highest judges in Texas, all 15 of the judges of the Court of Criminal
[01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:57.720]  Appeals put in front of a grand jury for denying me leave to file a writ of habeas corpus.
[01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:01.480]  They have been doing this forever.
[01:29:01.480 --> 01:29:08.960]  They did it to lawyers, they did it to everybody, and then some chump pro se out of nowhere
[01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:14.360]  puts them in front of a grand jury, not because they denied the writ, but because they denied
[01:29:14.360 --> 01:29:15.760]  a motion for leave to file.
[01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.160]  They couldn't believe this was happening.
[01:29:18.160 --> 01:29:23.280]  They spent three months wondering if their career was going to end tomorrow.
[01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:29.520]  Now, they didn't get indicted, but if you file a petition for writ of habeas corpus
[01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:33.480]  with Court of Criminal Appeals, they're not going to ask you to file a motion for leave
[01:29:33.480 --> 01:29:34.480]  to file.
[01:29:34.480 --> 01:29:37.600]  That ended that crap, Ola.
[01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:38.600]  This is how we're going to fix it.
[01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:41.600]  We're going to fix it with the details.
[01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:43.240]  We still don't have any callers.
[01:29:43.240 --> 01:29:45.640]  It's a quiet night for some reason.
[01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:49.000]  If you have a question or comment, give us a call.
[01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:55.280]  Randy Kelton, Darren Stevens, Rue of La Radio, our call at number 512-646-1984.
[01:29:55.280 --> 01:30:02.440]  We'll be right back.
[01:30:02.440 --> 01:30:05.040]  What causes hiccups, and how can you get rid of them?
[01:30:05.040 --> 01:30:06.880]  I'd sure like to know.
[01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:10.920]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be back in just a moment to share recommended cures
[01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:15.620]  for this annoying and embarrassing problem.
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[01:30:44.440 --> 01:30:48.040]  Hiccups are caused by quick and voluntary contractions of the diaphragm.
[01:30:48.040 --> 01:30:52.080]  The diaphragm is a muscle just underneath your ribcage that helps you breathe.
[01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:53.760]  Hiccups usually go away by themselves.
[01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:54.760]  It just takes time.
[01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:58.160]  But if you can't wait, try one of these time-tested remedies.
[01:30:58.160 --> 01:31:00.080]  Hold your breath for short periods.
[01:31:00.080 --> 01:31:03.340]  Take a mouthful of water and swallow it upside down.
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[01:31:05.240 --> 01:31:09.760]  Or swallow a teaspoon of vinegar, or surprisingly, a teaspoon of sugar.
[01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:13.280]  Hiccups that won't go away could signal a serious medical condition.
[01:31:13.280 --> 01:31:17.120]  If they last for more than 48 hours or you experience other symptoms, it's time to see
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[01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:27.720]  We are back.
[01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:37.800]  Randy Kelton and David Stephens with our radio, and today we were talking about details.
[01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:45.880]  This is where you beat the other side is in the details and basics.
[01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.720]  There's a couple of things I'd like to address about basics.
[01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:58.640]  When you go to court, most people go to court, and the judges, especially if you're pro se,
[01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:07.200]  the judges are going to deny every objection that you make, and it's kind of a strategy.
[01:34:07.200 --> 01:34:14.120]  If you go in the court with an expectation of going before a fair and honest tribunal,
[01:34:14.120 --> 01:34:18.660]  you are vulnerable, and they know you're vulnerable.
[01:34:18.660 --> 01:34:24.760]  You are especially susceptible to betrayal.
[01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:31.760]  When the judge rules against us, and we feel that his ruling is unfair, then we feel like
[01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:40.720]  we've been betrayed by the system, and it's pretty devastating to feel like all of this
[01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:48.680]  stuff you've heard from the time you were in grade school about what a great and wonderful
[01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:55.780]  country we are and how we're a country under rule of law turns out to all be nonsense.
[01:34:55.780 --> 01:35:03.280]  You become very vulnerable, very subject to emotional responses instead of rational responses.
[01:35:03.280 --> 01:35:06.800]  You become very easy to manipulate.
[01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:17.280]  I just had a friend spend 72 hours in jail for contempt of court.
[01:35:17.280 --> 01:35:22.320]  He let the judge set him up for that.
[01:35:22.320 --> 01:35:28.920]  He went into the court, and the judges already had a lot of animosity toward him, and he
[01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:32.120]  told him not to say a word.
[01:35:32.120 --> 01:35:37.080]  He said, you don't have any standing, don't say a word.
[01:35:37.080 --> 01:35:42.800]  What he should have done is stood up and walked out of the courtroom, took the bailiff with
[01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:48.440]  him, and asked the bailiff to take criminal complaints against the judge, but instead
[01:35:48.440 --> 01:35:52.840]  he said, I object, 24 hours.
[01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:58.680]  There were two other issues, and he gave him 72 hours in jail.
[01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:06.840]  He was easy to manipulate because he allowed himself to be frustrated and angry.
[01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:15.520]  These guys, especially in the criminal courts, are extremely proficient at confrontation.
[01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:17.600]  That's what they know how to do.
[01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:20.080]  That's what they're very good at.
[01:36:20.080 --> 01:36:26.200]  They're very good at poking your buttons and getting you to dance for them.
[01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:31.320]  The interesting thing is, never answer their questions.
[01:36:31.320 --> 01:36:35.440]  Never expect the judge... I'm sorry, I got off track.
[01:36:35.440 --> 01:36:39.480]  Never expect the judge to follow law.
[01:36:39.480 --> 01:36:48.480]  When I say, never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side,
[01:36:48.480 --> 01:36:53.120]  that may not be true, and also say that the courts are corrupt.
[01:36:53.120 --> 01:36:55.080]  They're absolutely corrupt.
[01:36:55.080 --> 01:37:05.200]  Well, maybe they're not, but it would behoove you to conduct yourself as if they were corrupt,
[01:37:05.200 --> 01:37:11.920]  as if they will rule against you out of hand at every turn, and that is not a problem.
[01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:18.920]  The reason it's not a problem is, you don't care what happens in there anyway.
[01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:26.880]  You're only going to the trial court for one reason and one reason only.
[01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:33.400]  Get the facts and the law on the record for appeal.
[01:37:33.400 --> 01:37:35.560]  That's your only purpose.
[01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:41.360]  If you have another purpose in the trial court, you're most likely naive.
[01:37:41.360 --> 01:37:48.000]  If you have expectations of good faith and fair dealings for trial court, you are definitely
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.800]  naive.
[01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:58.840]  You may actually get good treatment from the trial court, but if you go in there expecting
[01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:10.040]  that you won't be disappointed, you won't feel betrayed and mistreated, you won't care.
[01:38:10.040 --> 01:38:17.800]  That attitude will act as a pattern interruption for the judge and the counsel on the other
[01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:23.560]  side.
[01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:25.000]  They know how to manipulate you.
[01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:31.760]  They know how to predict your behavior.
[01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:38.440]  This one little thing is much more powerful than most people would ever realize.
[01:38:38.440 --> 01:38:48.840]  The most threatening thing a human being can experience is pattern interruption.
[01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:56.960]  We have grown up in an environment and we've learned how to anticipate and predict our
[01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.640]  environment.
[01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:04.840]  Everybody's had the experience where something happens and something just comes out of the
[01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:12.960]  blue and you have absolutely no idea what the heck is going on or what to do to correct
[01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:13.960]  it.
[01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:21.200]  To a human being, that's about the most devastating thing that can happen to us.
[01:39:21.200 --> 01:39:24.280]  Much worse than something bad happening.
[01:39:24.280 --> 01:39:28.320]  If something bad happens, at least we know what to do.
[01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:31.920]  Take the child who's been abused all his life, take him out of the abusive environment, treat
[01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:36.880]  him the way he's always wanted and wished for, and he likes it.
[01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:43.320]  This is great, but he doesn't know how to react and respond in this environment, so
[01:39:43.320 --> 01:39:45.800]  he's interrupted.
[01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:52.920]  He's always waiting for the other foot to fall and if it doesn't, he'll create it.
[01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:58.160]  Better to have a bad thing happen than have something happen that's totally outside your
[01:39:58.160 --> 01:40:05.000]  comfort zone, totally outside your ability to react and respond to.
[01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:11.600]  What we're talking about here is what in psychology and new linguistic programming
[01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:14.440]  we would call a reframe.
[01:40:14.440 --> 01:40:19.820]  We reframe our perspective of going into the court.
[01:40:19.820 --> 01:40:23.560]  We go into the court and I don't care what you do.
[01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:28.760]  I got my last ticket thrown out, I was talking to the prosecutor before the court, and they
[01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:29.760]  had a jury.
[01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:33.920]  They had called in a jury panel and I said, we might as well send that jury panel home.
[01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:34.920]  We're not going to get to them.
[01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:35.920]  Oh, we're not?
[01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:36.920]  No, no, no.
[01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:41.720]  We're not going to get to them because I'm coming to the court at arm's length.
[01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:47.040]  I filed a panel on subject matter jurisdiction and even if the judge denies subject matter
[01:40:47.040 --> 01:40:49.800]  jurisdiction, since I'm at arm's length, I'm going to go home anyway.
[01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:52.800]  I can't participate.
[01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:59.640]  Then I told him about some information requests I had filed, the stupid response I got from
[01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:00.640]  the city attorney.
[01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:01.640]  This is going to be great.
[01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:07.320]  I'm going to try to get you to take my criminal complaints against the city attorney once
[01:41:07.320 --> 01:41:08.320]  we get into court.
[01:41:08.320 --> 01:41:09.320]  Oh, you are.
[01:41:09.320 --> 01:41:10.320]  Yes, I am.
[01:41:10.320 --> 01:41:12.840]  He said, well, I'm not going to take any complaints.
[01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:16.880]  I said, I hope you don't because then I'm going to ask the bailiff to arrest you.
[01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.560]  This is going to be great fun.
[01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:24.160]  He said, Mr. Kelton, you appear to be enjoying yourself far too much.
[01:41:24.160 --> 01:41:26.360]  I see I've been told that before.
[01:41:26.360 --> 01:41:31.600]  And the whole point was, I don't care what you guys do.
[01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:36.320]  I'm here to do what I'm going to do and it don't make any difference what you do.
[01:41:36.320 --> 01:41:41.560]  We get to the hearing and the judge called my name and he said to the prosecutors, prosecution
[01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:42.560]  ready?
[01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:45.920]  No, your honor, the prosecution is not ready.
[01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:46.920]  Case dismissed.
[01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:51.600]  I stood up, I object, and the judge said, you object?
[01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:55.800]  Yeah, judge, we were just about to get to the good part.
[01:41:55.800 --> 01:42:02.040]  Not today, Mr. Kelton, they could not predict my behavior.
[01:42:02.040 --> 01:42:05.580]  I wasn't reacting and responding right.
[01:42:05.580 --> 01:42:10.300]  So it put them out of their comfort zone.
[01:42:10.300 --> 01:42:17.880]  So if you change your perspective, you're only here to get the facts and the law on
[01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:20.880]  the record for appeal.
[01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:23.160]  You don't care what the judge rules.
[01:42:23.160 --> 01:42:29.040]  You object to everything.
[01:42:29.040 --> 01:42:34.280]  No matter what they do, you just present your facts, present your law, and don't worry
[01:42:34.280 --> 01:42:35.280]  about it.
[01:42:35.280 --> 01:42:38.520]  They will pick that up very quickly.
[01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:42.280]  This guy's not reacting and responding right.
[01:42:42.280 --> 01:42:47.760]  He's hard to manipulate and they always, when you don't react the way they expect you to,
[01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:51.080]  they all think the same thing.
[01:42:51.080 --> 01:42:56.120]  This guy knows something I don't know.
[01:42:56.120 --> 01:43:00.640]  And I mentioned Williamson County earlier.
[01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:05.120]  What occurred there is I went in with someone who had been arrested for two pills and an
[01:43:05.120 --> 01:43:09.720]  aspirin bottle, they were prescription pills.
[01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:15.480]  So he brought in the prescription, they're still prosecuting him.
[01:43:15.480 --> 01:43:26.620]  So I went down with him, I was with someone else, and told Doug and Steve, if anybody
[01:43:26.620 --> 01:43:32.480]  asks you, it's just you two here, you don't know anything about me, and then they went
[01:43:32.480 --> 01:43:36.040]  on and talked to the prosecutor, and we're about to go to break and explain what happened
[01:43:36.040 --> 01:43:37.040]  when I come back.
[01:43:37.040 --> 01:43:43.360]  But everything that happened, happened because they couldn't predict what was going to occur.
[01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:48.800]  And when they can't predict what was going to occur, they will imagine something far
[01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:50.400]  worse than will actually occur.
[01:43:50.400 --> 01:43:55.760]  Hang on, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of our radio, I'll call it number 512-646-1984,
[01:43:55.760 --> 01:44:00.160]  we'll be right back.
[01:44:00.160 --> 01:44:03.760]  Do you feel tired when talking about important topics like money and politics?
[01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:04.760]  Boring!
[01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:07.560]  Are you confused by words like the Constitution or the Federal Reserve?
[01:44:07.560 --> 01:44:08.560]  What?
[01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:12.280]  If so, you may be diagnosed with the deadliest disease known today, stupidity.
[01:44:12.280 --> 01:44:17.880]  Hi, my name is Steve Holt, and like millions of other Americans, I was diagnosed with stupidity
[01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:19.080]  at an early age.
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[01:46:00.440 --> 01:46:01.440]  Oh, man.
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[01:46:02.440 --> 01:46:03.440]  You got busted, man.
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[01:46:05.440 --> 01:46:23.520]  Hey, we are back, Randy Kelton, Edward Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we were talking about
[01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.400]  Williamson County.
[01:46:26.400 --> 01:46:29.640]  When I went to Williamson County, it was...
[01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:34.800]  At the time, we had a very unscrupulous prosecutor in there, and Williamson County was pretty
[01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:38.440]  well known as the most corrupt county in the state.
[01:46:38.440 --> 01:46:44.080]  I do seminars all over the country on legal reform, and everywhere I go, everybody says,
[01:46:44.080 --> 01:46:47.920]  oh, my county is the most corrupt county in the state.
[01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:53.800]  They say that everywhere except around Austin.
[01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:58.880]  Austin's Travis County, but they say Williamson County is the most corrupt in the state.
[01:46:58.880 --> 01:46:59.880]  It was at the time.
[01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:03.200]  We have new leadership in there, and that's changing.
[01:47:03.200 --> 01:47:08.160]  But at the time, that was the case, and so I went in with this guy, and he went to talk
[01:47:08.160 --> 01:47:09.160]  to the prosecutor.
[01:47:09.160 --> 01:47:14.360]  I went to the clerk and asked to see the county record, and when the clerk showed it to me,
[01:47:14.360 --> 01:47:18.360]  I said, you know, I have a problem, there's a document missing.
[01:47:18.360 --> 01:47:19.360]  Well, what's that?
[01:47:19.360 --> 01:47:21.800]  Well, that's the criminal complaint.
[01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:23.320]  Well, we don't get that.
[01:47:23.320 --> 01:47:29.360]  Well, how do you initiate a case with a...
[01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:34.000]  And I ordered under 1617 Code of Criminal Procedure, showing that a judge in an examining
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.240]  trial found probable cause.
[01:47:37.240 --> 01:47:39.720]  That's the only thing that can give you subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:40.720]  How do you open a case?
[01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:43.400]  Well, we don't know who would know.
[01:47:43.400 --> 01:47:48.680]  And they brought out the elected clerk, and a jerk came around for a while, and then they
[01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:52.920]  sent me to the prosecuting attorney, and I gave a prosecuting attorney an information
[01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:57.400]  request for all records collected in the similar, maintained by the department as referenced
[01:47:57.400 --> 01:48:01.120]  by 1730 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[01:48:01.120 --> 01:48:06.640]  And after a little while, the prosecutor came out and said, Mr. Kelton, I'm not sure what
[01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:08.600]  you're asking for here.
[01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:13.160]  Well, go read the code, and if that's not clear, go ask the legislature.
[01:48:13.160 --> 01:48:16.240]  They're the ones who passed it.
[01:48:16.240 --> 01:48:18.600]  And that was all I would give her.
[01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:24.400]  Then I went and sat down in a courtroom, just sat there watching the proceedings, and I
[01:48:24.400 --> 01:48:28.640]  had a folder with me, and I'm taking notes.
[01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:34.460]  And this, everybody's looking at me, I had asked the bailiff where I could get a copy
[01:48:34.460 --> 01:48:38.440]  of the appearance document for this day, and he went and found out, they told me.
[01:48:38.440 --> 01:48:41.360]  So I'm sitting here watching what's going on.
[01:48:41.360 --> 01:48:45.360]  I'm actually just waiting for Doug and Steve.
[01:48:45.360 --> 01:48:51.520]  So this young kid comes over, he's one of the prosecutors, he's in a black suit, solid
[01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:58.440]  black suit, solid black shirt, white, red, satin tie.
[01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:00.160]  I guess he thought he looked cool.
[01:49:00.160 --> 01:49:05.240]  And he says, sir, sir, and I look up at him, I said, yes.
[01:49:05.240 --> 01:49:06.800]  Do you have a case here today?
[01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:08.280]  Oh, no, no, no, no.
[01:49:08.280 --> 01:49:10.480]  And I go back to writing.
[01:49:10.480 --> 01:49:13.840]  He stands there a minute, sir, sir, and I said, yes.
[01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:15.560]  Do you have a civil case in this court?
[01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:17.400]  Oh, no, no, no, nothing like that.
[01:49:17.400 --> 01:49:19.360]  I go back to writing.
[01:49:19.360 --> 01:49:22.960]  He stands there a minute, sir, sir, and I said, yes.
[01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:29.760]  I look up at him, hold up both hands with my palms out and say, no more questions.
[01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:31.440]  I go back to writing.
[01:49:31.440 --> 01:49:34.520]  When I said that to him, he looked like I'd slapped him.
[01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:35.520]  He was just stunned.
[01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:37.020]  I go back to writing.
[01:49:37.020 --> 01:49:40.960]  He stands there a minute, I can see him in my peripheral vision, and finally he kind of
[01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:41.960]  ambles off.
[01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:46.280]  A little bit later, an older guy comes and leans over the bar because I'm sitting right
[01:49:46.280 --> 01:49:47.280]  in the front row.
[01:49:47.280 --> 01:49:49.960]  He said, sir, sir, and I look up, yes.
[01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:51.680]  Is there something I can help you with?
[01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:56.400]  Well, first he says, you know, you can get an appearance document down at the clerk.
[01:49:56.400 --> 01:49:58.760]  He said, I said, yeah, I know that.
[01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:01.920]  The bailiff told me, thank you, and I go back to writing.
[01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:08.800]  And he waited a little while, he said, sir, sir, is there something I can help you with?
[01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:11.240]  If I need you, I will summon you.
[01:50:11.240 --> 01:50:12.240]  You are dismissed.
[01:50:12.240 --> 01:50:16.680]  And I kind of flick my fingers at him.
[01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:22.400]  And he stands there kind of stunned for a minute, and then he turns and walks away.
[01:50:22.400 --> 01:50:26.240]  Well, I waited a little while longer, and then I left.
[01:50:26.240 --> 01:50:32.320]  I get outside, and Doug came to me and said, what did you do?
[01:50:32.320 --> 01:50:35.120]  I said, well, I didn't do anything.
[01:50:35.120 --> 01:50:39.000]  I just didn't tell him anything.
[01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:42.080]  They dismissed his case.
[01:50:42.080 --> 01:50:45.640]  They took him to the judge and got the judge to sign the order.
[01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:52.600]  They took him to the clerk and got the clerk to issue a voucher to return his bail money.
[01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:55.080]  He got his bail money the next day.
[01:50:55.080 --> 01:51:01.120]  Doug came to a seminar, was doing Brave New Books, and he said, have you ever walked into
[01:51:01.120 --> 01:51:05.880]  a room and turned the lights on and watched cockroaches scatter?
[01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:09.460]  He said, that's what it looked like.
[01:51:09.460 --> 01:51:10.840]  This is what happens.
[01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:15.540]  The more corrupt they are, the more afraid they are.
[01:51:15.540 --> 01:51:19.800]  They had no idea who I was.
[01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:27.360]  And when they tried to find out, I didn't respond the way they expected me to.
[01:51:27.360 --> 01:51:31.800]  So they had no behavioral set they could draw from.
[01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:36.000]  That's this little guy standing next to me when I told him no more questions.
[01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:42.600]  When I said no more questions, he didn't have a way to deal with that.
[01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:48.960]  If I would have done it angry or confrontational, he wouldn't know how to deal with that.
[01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:50.840]  But I didn't.
[01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:52.560]  I did a pattern interruption on him.
[01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:53.560]  He was stuck.
[01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:57.400]  And then he sent his boss over, and I stuck the boss.
[01:51:57.400 --> 01:52:00.200]  These guys were terrified.
[01:52:00.200 --> 01:52:02.680]  They're wondering, who is this guy?
[01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:05.840]  What does he know that I don't know?
[01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:11.120]  And they imagined the worst thing they could imagine, and the more corrupt they are, the
[01:52:11.120 --> 01:52:12.600]  worse things they're going to imagine.
[01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:15.800]  We do have a caller, and I really want to give Mary some time.
[01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:21.840]  So I'm going to shut up on this subject for now, and we're going to go to Miss Mary in
[01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:22.840]  Austin.
[01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:23.840]  Hello, Miss Mary.
[01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:24.840]  Hey, Randy.
[01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:26.400]  How are you?
[01:52:26.400 --> 01:52:32.240]  I am what everybody says.
[01:52:32.240 --> 01:52:34.800]  What do you have going on now?
[01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:36.080]  You always have something going on.
[01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:40.640]  There's a few things I wanted to cover, but I am so excited.
[01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:45.480]  I had a little talk with Mike Campbell today on the TSA water bottle case, the Supreme
[01:52:45.480 --> 01:52:46.480]  Court cases.
[01:52:46.480 --> 01:52:49.480]  And he's working tonight, thank God.
[01:52:49.480 --> 01:52:54.480]  But he's got some funny news to talk to y'all about, about the postmaster.
[01:52:54.480 --> 01:52:57.480]  Y'all are going to just love it.
[01:52:57.480 --> 01:53:00.480]  So hopefully he's going to call in tomorrow.
[01:53:00.480 --> 01:53:01.480]  Wonderful.
[01:53:01.480 --> 01:53:02.480]  Wonderful.
[01:53:02.480 --> 01:53:05.400]  I've got a little bit of that on his email.
[01:53:05.400 --> 01:53:06.400]  Oh, yes.
[01:53:06.400 --> 01:53:14.160]  Well, you know, Mike is just doing such a great job, thanks to you, thanks to Eddie,
[01:53:14.160 --> 01:53:15.160]  thanks to Fred Graves.
[01:53:15.160 --> 01:53:19.960]  You know, the reason why Mike can do all this is that he took the time to come to those
[01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:23.240]  classes every week and study jurisdiction every week.
[01:53:23.240 --> 01:53:26.400]  It's boring as that stuff is.
[01:53:26.400 --> 01:53:34.400]  Now, Mike Handel, if there's one person I would not want after me, it would be Mike
[01:53:34.400 --> 01:53:43.480]  Handel.
[01:53:43.480 --> 01:53:48.880]  Mike gets hold of these guys and it doesn't make any difference what they do.
[01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:50.040]  He's like a bulldog.
[01:53:50.040 --> 01:53:53.120]  He just keeps on coming.
[01:53:53.120 --> 01:53:57.040]  And he has fought through, he has fought an incredible fight.
[01:53:57.040 --> 01:54:01.840]  Mike Handel may wind up changing everything.
[01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:06.240]  He's pushed these guys all the way to the Supreme Court and all the stupid stuff they
[01:54:06.240 --> 01:54:19.240]  did down here in the municipal court is all now in front of the federal supreme.
[01:54:19.240 --> 01:54:23.440]  These guys down here that pulled all this stuff, now they got the highest judges in
[01:54:23.440 --> 01:54:26.440]  the country looking over their shoulder.
[01:54:26.440 --> 01:54:29.240]  These guys have to be concerned.
[01:54:29.240 --> 01:54:32.640]  They do.
[01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:38.640]  I know, it's so exciting, especially because it's dealing with the TSA, really.
[01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:41.040]  I mean, he is really willing to go forward.
[01:54:41.040 --> 01:54:43.640]  He's not looking to negotiate.
[01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:50.400]  Now, he wants there to be a change, but he also has sort of a curious nature.
[01:54:50.400 --> 01:54:58.000]  I mean, all of you guys that are doing really well with the pro se were representing yourself
[01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:01.800]  or what, however you say it, are engineers.
[01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:06.640]  So when y'all look at this stuff, it's just like math.
[01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:12.240]  You're designing a lawsuit, not confronting a judge with your anger.
[01:55:12.240 --> 01:55:17.120]  You're designing something.
[01:55:17.120 --> 01:55:24.120]  I think that is the biggest problem they had is they didn't understand that Mike was an
[01:55:24.120 --> 01:55:27.120]  engineer.
[01:55:27.120 --> 01:55:30.640]  Others think that law is an art form.
[01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:31.640]  It's not.
[01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:34.520]  It's engineering.
[01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:36.760]  To us, I'm an engineer.
[01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:40.560]  To us, law books are tech manuals.
[01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:44.560]  They're really straightforward, and that's the way Mike looked at it, and if they weren't
[01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:49.800]  following the tech manuals, they were screwing up, and engineers hate it when people don't
[01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:55.000]  follow the manuals because it makes everything random.
[01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:56.600]  You can't predict what's going to happen.
[01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:59.600]  So Mike went after him, but Mike was more than that.
[01:55:59.600 --> 01:56:00.960]  He is a bulldog.
[01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:07.240]  He does not let go, and there's nothing you can do to sway him.
[01:56:07.240 --> 01:56:14.960]  I realize that Mike always projects himself as timid and shy and in the background.
[01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:24.460]  When the bailiffs at the JP Court in Austin were throwing me out of the building, I looked
[01:56:24.460 --> 01:56:28.520]  over my shoulder, and they got their guns in their hands, and a couple of them got a
[01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:33.080]  hold of me, dragging me out, and I looked over at Mike, and he is right up in the middle
[01:56:33.080 --> 01:56:36.760]  of them demanding their names and writing their names down.
[01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:42.040]  I looked at him and thought, you lying sob.
[01:56:42.040 --> 01:56:47.160]  You give this impression of being timid and receding.
[01:56:47.160 --> 01:56:53.560]  I looked at him and he was not the least bit afraid of these guys with guns in their hands.
[01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:59.200]  He was not intimidated in the least, and that's when I thought, I do not want this guy after
[01:56:59.200 --> 01:57:03.520]  me, and Mike has really done well.
[01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:06.280]  I could not be more proud of him.
[01:57:06.280 --> 01:57:12.440]  I only have one complaint about Mike.
[01:57:12.440 --> 01:57:15.280]  His pleadings are so much better than mine.
[01:57:15.280 --> 01:57:16.280]  That's annoying.
[01:57:16.280 --> 01:57:23.280]  Well, you should admire him for that, Randy, not be jealous.
[01:57:23.280 --> 01:57:24.600]  Oh, I'm not.
[01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:32.200]  He really does nice work, not jealous, because now I get to plagiarize his work, and it makes
[01:57:32.200 --> 01:57:33.200]  me look good.
[01:57:33.200 --> 01:57:36.200]  Well, yeah, please plagiarize his work, y'all.
[01:57:36.200 --> 01:57:37.200]  It's all open record.
[01:57:37.200 --> 01:57:38.200]  He'll share any of his briefs.
[01:57:38.200 --> 01:57:39.200]  He already has.
[01:57:39.200 --> 01:57:40.200]  One of the funnest, I think, discovery questions we put on for Doug was asked that this federal
[01:57:40.200 --> 01:57:41.200]  judge barks here in Austin if he showcases any other oaths.
[01:57:41.200 --> 01:58:01.400]  Oaths, besides the Constitution, like for the Mason, for secret societies.
[01:58:01.400 --> 01:58:03.400]  Is Sparks a Mason?
[01:58:03.400 --> 01:58:07.640]  Well, I bet they all are, Randy, come on.
[01:58:07.640 --> 01:58:08.640]  Good chance.
[01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:10.880]  That's a good question.
[01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:11.880]  Mike is tough.
[01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:14.240]  Mike, let's sneak up on you.
[01:58:14.240 --> 01:58:15.240]  We are out of time.
[01:58:15.240 --> 01:58:18.000]  Thank you for calling in, Mary.
[01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.480]  Don't be a stranger.
[01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:23.480]  This is Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens with our radio.
[01:58:23.480 --> 01:58:27.840]  We will be back tomorrow night with our four-hour info marathon.
[01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.480]  I'm going to have Richard Kornforth on.
[01:58:30.480 --> 01:58:33.760]  A lot of you know of him or know him.
[01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:38.120]  We expect it to be a really good show, so tune in tomorrow.
[01:58:38.120 --> 01:58:42.360]  Call in and ask him the hard questions because we want to stump the chump.
[01:58:42.360 --> 01:58:44.080]  I'm the chump that always gets stumped.
[01:58:44.080 --> 01:58:46.160]  Let's see if we can't do it to Richard.
[01:58:46.160 --> 01:58:50.520]  Thank you for listening and good night.
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