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[00:11.000 --> 00:16.200]  This is Justin Armand with your Liberty Beat for April 24th, 2014.
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[01:01.920 --> 01:02.920]  And now the news.
[01:02.920 --> 01:08.840]  It's a clear case of do as I say, not as I do, involving the IRS and taxes owed by more
[01:08.840 --> 01:11.720]  than 1,000 employees of the agency.
[01:11.720 --> 01:16.320]  Americans who fail to pay their taxes are penalized, sometimes imprisoned, for the infraction.
[01:16.320 --> 01:22.160]  However, the Los Angeles Times reports, the IRS paid nearly $1.1 million in bonuses to
[01:22.160 --> 01:26.000]  employees known to have federal tax compliance problems.
[01:26.000 --> 01:29.600]  An inspector general's report showed that the bonuses were paid out over a two-year
[01:29.600 --> 01:35.440]  period with many of the same employees awarded more than 10,000 hours of extra time off,
[01:35.440 --> 01:40.960]  performance awards and faster than average pay grade increases.
[01:40.960 --> 01:45.680]  It's legally official, Bradley Manning is now Chelsea Elizabeth Manning.
[01:45.680 --> 01:49.480]  According to the Associated Press, a Kansas judge Wednesday granted the request for the
[01:49.480 --> 01:51.600]  formal name change.
[01:51.600 --> 01:56.720]  Manning, a former intelligence analyst for the United States military, is serving a 35-year
[01:56.720 --> 02:02.720]  prison sentence for leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks.
[02:02.720 --> 02:07.600]  Alaska is on track to become the third state to legalize recreational marijuana.
[02:07.600 --> 02:12.440]  However, the ballot initiative to let voters decide whether or not that will happen has
[02:12.440 --> 02:14.260]  been delayed until November.
[02:14.260 --> 02:18.160]  The vote was originally expected to happen in August, but was instead moved to the later
[02:18.160 --> 02:19.160]  day.
[02:19.160 --> 02:23.160]  The Guardian reports that the change was made due to a longer than average state legislative
[02:23.160 --> 02:27.520]  session which affected the legal timeline required for such initiatives to be placed
[02:27.520 --> 02:28.520]  on the ballot.
[02:28.520 --> 02:31.380]  The decision will be made during a general election.
[02:31.380 --> 02:36.560]  Public opinion polls show the majority of Americans in favor of marijuana legalization,
[02:36.560 --> 02:38.680]  be it recreational or medical.
[02:38.680 --> 02:44.280]  In January, recreational weed became legal in Colorado and Washington, while 20 states
[02:44.280 --> 02:46.840]  have legalized medical marijuana.
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[02:55.880 --> 03:17.720]  This is Justin Armand reporting with the Liberty Beat.
[03:17.720 --> 03:18.720]  All right.
[03:18.720 --> 03:25.600]  What are you going to do, bad boys, bad boys, when we come for you here on the rule of law?
[03:25.600 --> 03:27.680]  I am one of your co-hosts, Deborah Stevens.
[03:27.680 --> 03:30.160]  I'm here with Randy Kelton.
[03:30.160 --> 03:36.120]  Tonight is Thursday, April 24th, 2014.
[03:36.120 --> 03:39.320]  And I have a couple of special guests for you all tonight.
[03:39.320 --> 03:43.680]  They're going to be talking about carrot bars, which we have talked about before with our
[03:43.680 --> 03:44.840]  guest Jim Gray.
[03:44.840 --> 03:49.300]  And tonight we have Jim Gray and Dan Giralmo.
[03:49.300 --> 03:52.600]  And I'm just going to turn it over to them and let them take it away for this first segment.
[03:52.600 --> 03:55.680]  Jim and Dan, thank you, and welcome to the show.
[03:55.680 --> 03:56.840]  Thanks, Dan.
[03:56.840 --> 03:58.320]  Thank you very much.
[03:58.320 --> 04:02.760]  Okay, Dan, well, I have a few questions for you.
[04:02.760 --> 04:08.880]  But before I ask you, I just want to let the audience know Dan is one of eight members
[04:08.880 --> 04:15.160]  on the Roundtable Leadership Council for the entire company.
[04:15.160 --> 04:18.760]  And so I really appreciate your coming on, Dan.
[04:18.760 --> 04:21.600]  I know you're really busy, so thanks for joining us.
[04:21.600 --> 04:22.600]  Sure.
[04:22.600 --> 04:23.600]  Thank you.
[04:23.600 --> 04:24.600]  Yeah.
[04:24.600 --> 04:31.520]  Now, Dan, I find it out talking to people that carrot bars is virtually unknown in the
[04:31.520 --> 04:32.520]  U.S.
[04:32.520 --> 04:34.960]  How many countries is carrot bars in presently?
[04:34.960 --> 04:43.360]  Well, Jim, we're now in 116 countries after four years of expansion going into our fifth
[04:43.360 --> 04:48.200]  year, and we plan to be in 194 countries soon.
[04:48.200 --> 04:49.200]  Excellent.
[04:49.200 --> 04:54.480]  Now, you know, I found that there's a lot of companies out there that are advertising
[04:54.480 --> 04:55.480]  gold.
[04:55.480 --> 05:00.440]  It seems like everywhere you turn, you go to different websites and whatnot, you hear
[05:00.440 --> 05:01.680]  about gold.
[05:01.680 --> 05:05.960]  So what makes carrot bars so different from all these other companies?
[05:05.960 --> 05:08.280]  You know, that's a great question.
[05:08.280 --> 05:14.680]  And really, carrot bars are in a unique niche worldwide as being gold as money and inflation
[05:14.680 --> 05:15.680]  insurance.
[05:15.680 --> 05:19.560]  We're not gold as a commodity or for speculative investment.
[05:19.560 --> 05:26.120]  We're not gold for speculative thinking and not a program for the trader mentality.
[05:26.120 --> 05:32.480]  Carrot bars are non-competing alternative commerce friendly mechanism, meaning carrot
[05:32.480 --> 05:35.200]  bar has three different sizes.
[05:35.200 --> 05:41.480]  We have a one gram, a two and a half gram, and a five gram denominations of pure gold
[05:41.480 --> 05:43.320]  bullion.
[05:43.320 --> 05:48.920]  And we are a universal solution to the worldwide debt savings and currency crisis.
[05:48.920 --> 05:52.160]  We're good for people all over the world, Jim, and good for countries concerned about
[05:52.160 --> 05:56.080]  commerce keeping it going in times of the paper money.
[05:56.080 --> 06:01.640]  It does a flip flop or loses significant value or even just a natural disaster and you can't
[06:01.640 --> 06:04.920]  get paper money or digital money out of a bank.
[06:04.920 --> 06:11.120]  It allows anybody to be portable and flexible in today's ever changing economies.
[06:11.120 --> 06:16.240]  We can easily be recognized as real 24 karat physical gold money in the kind all banks
[06:16.240 --> 06:20.800]  and governments, they already used to settle debt between themselves.
[06:20.800 --> 06:27.400]  And so really, we are a, sit ourselves, we're not really in the bank sale of gold sellers.
[06:27.400 --> 06:31.920]  We're unique in our developing system of exchange value.
[06:31.920 --> 06:32.920]  Thank you.
[06:32.920 --> 06:33.920]  Very good.
[06:33.920 --> 06:39.680]  So now most everybody I've looked at, Dan, they sell coins.
[06:39.680 --> 06:41.440]  Does Carabao sell coins?
[06:41.440 --> 06:46.920]  No, we're not in the coin or business or the silver business.
[06:46.920 --> 06:49.600]  The kind of gold that we have is currency grade gold.
[06:49.600 --> 06:54.360]  It's the only kind of gold that all banks and governments use for settlement of debt.
[06:54.360 --> 06:55.840]  That's the kind of gold they use.
[06:55.840 --> 06:59.960]  For instance, the country of the United States settles debt with the country of France or
[06:59.960 --> 07:02.880]  South Africa or Australia.
[07:02.880 --> 07:10.040]  They use the only kind of gold, the same kind of gold that we use in the, in commerce.
[07:10.040 --> 07:11.040]  Okay.
[07:11.040 --> 07:15.880]  Now, I've heard the expression that carat bars is spendable gold.
[07:15.880 --> 07:16.880]  What does that mean?
[07:16.880 --> 07:23.080]  Well, you know, if you think about a dollar bill, a dollar bill is the exclusive world's
[07:23.080 --> 07:32.000]  reserve currency until it isn't anymore and you can go in any country and anybody can
[07:32.000 --> 07:37.140]  easily recognize a dollar bill and know what it is.
[07:37.140 --> 07:42.560]  The key for what we have is we have a means of real physical metal.
[07:42.560 --> 07:44.920]  It's nothing printed out of thin air.
[07:44.920 --> 07:49.040]  There's no fractional lending like when you give a dollar to the bank and they loan out
[07:49.040 --> 07:51.880]  nine more and make the value money worth less.
[07:51.880 --> 07:56.240]  There's no credit, which is money that hasn't been earned yet, which stimulates the economy
[07:56.240 --> 07:58.440]  like real money, but it isn't.
[07:58.440 --> 08:04.160]  And so what we are is true demand for supplies stimulated by real gold money.
[08:04.160 --> 08:11.600]  And we have been on the march to put this in the hands of people all around the world
[08:11.600 --> 08:14.840]  so that we become a household name like a Q-tip.
[08:14.840 --> 08:15.840]  Excellent.
[08:15.840 --> 08:22.000]  So, well, this, this sounds like a pretty unique setup.
[08:22.000 --> 08:26.560]  So what does it cost to set up an account with this company so that I can, I assume
[08:26.560 --> 08:29.880]  I set up an account and I can just purchase gold through that account?
[08:29.880 --> 08:33.160]  I think that's the most brilliant part of our plan.
[08:33.160 --> 08:36.500]  There is absolutely no cost to open an account.
[08:36.500 --> 08:40.380]  There's no cost to enroll it, no maintenance fees on the account.
[08:40.380 --> 08:45.640]  You get a self-managed, self-directed, secure website with no website fees.
[08:45.640 --> 08:52.400]  What it is, it's a financial tool in your tool belt that is for you to use as you see
[08:52.400 --> 08:55.320]  fit for legitimate purposes.
[08:55.320 --> 08:59.920]  People can open an account and exchange paper money declining in buying power into real
[08:59.920 --> 09:04.080]  gold money, which preserves the buying power.
[09:04.080 --> 09:15.040]  Paper money was only a substitute for real gold money, but a dollar was worth 1.502 grams
[09:15.040 --> 09:19.080]  of gold when the dollar first came out.
[09:19.080 --> 09:23.120]  And in two generations, we forgot what real money is.
[09:23.120 --> 09:29.840]  And so what we have is an easy, affordable way that anybody, whether they make money
[09:29.840 --> 09:34.560]  with a shovel in their hand or they make money with a stethoscope around their neck, can
[09:34.560 --> 09:36.260]  preserve their labor.
[09:36.260 --> 09:42.240]  The paper money was only supposed to represent the labor that you gave to somebody else,
[09:42.240 --> 09:45.240]  but it no longer preserves your buying power.
[09:45.240 --> 09:52.320]  Carrot bars preserves your buying power and you can save money correctly in the times
[09:52.320 --> 09:53.320]  we're in.
[09:53.320 --> 09:55.640]  Well, that's very interesting.
[09:55.640 --> 09:59.120]  So now what about storage?
[09:59.120 --> 10:04.400]  I talk to different people and some people, they're concerned about having gold on their
[10:04.400 --> 10:05.400]  possessions.
[10:05.400 --> 10:06.840]  Some people are concerned about storing.
[10:06.840 --> 10:09.560]  I mean, how does Carrot Bars handle that issue?
[10:09.560 --> 10:18.600]  Well, number one, if there was ever a blackout or a disaster or an EMP on the grid, or even
[10:18.600 --> 10:25.160]  if there was regime changes in another country, not necessarily ours or whatever, you're seeing
[10:25.160 --> 10:27.200]  all the symptoms worldwide.
[10:27.200 --> 10:35.080]  Carrot bars allows anybody in a transaction-friendly, portable way, if they had it in their hand,
[10:35.080 --> 10:39.600]  in order to utilize that to exchange for the things that they need.
[10:39.600 --> 10:46.960]  I can't imagine, if you've looked across the planet, that most people in most countries
[10:46.960 --> 10:51.640]  will accept gold instead of paper money.
[10:51.640 --> 10:56.600]  Yeah, for sure.
[10:56.600 --> 11:00.600]  So do they provide storage, Carrot Bars?
[11:00.600 --> 11:04.000]  Yeah, well, that's a unique part of it.
[11:04.000 --> 11:07.440]  We have key strategic alliance partnerships with ProSegure.
[11:07.440 --> 11:12.360]  That's the third largest cybersecurity and digital logistics company in the world, member
[11:12.360 --> 11:14.860]  of the prestigious World Gold Council.
[11:14.860 --> 11:20.080]  With every Carrot Bars account holder, you have the option in order to vault your gold
[11:20.080 --> 11:26.520]  in a private secure vault in Neu-Eisenberg, Germany, or get it, we don't make anybody
[11:26.520 --> 11:27.520]  do anything.
[11:27.520 --> 11:35.160]  The company is completely free of any financial obligation that you have to it.
[11:35.160 --> 11:40.560]  When you open an account for free, you have the choice, however you wish to, to send money
[11:40.560 --> 11:46.120]  to your account and within 72 hours, exchange it into pure gold bullion and either stored
[11:46.120 --> 11:50.360]  in the vault, or if you choose to have it in your hands, it's put into the production
[11:50.360 --> 11:55.840]  queue and delivered to you insured in your hands by Federal Express.
[11:55.840 --> 11:58.200]  Carrot Bars doesn't hold your money.
[11:58.200 --> 12:03.680]  They don't use your gold as collateral and your gold is not stored in a publicly visited
[12:03.680 --> 12:04.680]  facility.
[12:04.680 --> 12:12.880]  You know, Germany is unique, the country itself is the second largest holder gold in the world.
[12:12.880 --> 12:19.880]  It has seen its paper currency go to zero value two times in a hundred years.
[12:19.880 --> 12:26.480]  They still talk about it and at the last time, the paper money, if you had gold, five grams
[12:26.480 --> 12:30.740]  of gold would have bought you a home at that time.
[12:30.740 --> 12:34.920]  You know, the European Union needed Germany, Germany didn't need the European Union and
[12:34.920 --> 12:39.920]  Germany has the toughest, strictest business standards out there where Carrot Bars has
[12:39.920 --> 12:43.040]  met or exceeded their standards for more than four years.
[12:43.040 --> 12:44.040]  Excellent.
[12:44.040 --> 12:50.600]  Well, you know, this is, this is kind of an interesting, unique program.
[12:50.600 --> 12:56.680]  What if I, if I decided to open an account, let's say I, I, you know, I like it and I
[12:56.680 --> 12:59.800]  want to tell my friends about it, is there, is there any advantage to that?
[12:59.800 --> 13:01.960]  Is sharing this with other people?
[13:01.960 --> 13:02.960]  Absolutely.
[13:02.960 --> 13:09.840]  The company is an e-commerce company and so their platform in the big picture is to create
[13:09.840 --> 13:12.280]  an honest money system.
[13:12.280 --> 13:17.520]  Anything that could be bought in any kind of paper money could also be bought in fractions
[13:17.520 --> 13:24.080]  of a gram of real gold money if the gold money were uniform and easily recognizable around
[13:24.080 --> 13:25.080]  the world.
[13:25.080 --> 13:31.360]  Now, the unique part about that is an e-commerce company that offers a referral program, they
[13:31.360 --> 13:37.240]  don't advertise, but they do have an optional program, whether you choose to use the account
[13:37.240 --> 13:41.440]  just yourself for self-protection and play a financial flag in another area of the world
[13:41.440 --> 13:45.880]  that's in your reach, but just out of the reach of all those that think all your money
[13:45.880 --> 13:49.320]  is their money without due process.
[13:49.320 --> 13:56.920]  And so Karatbars also allows you, if you choose to, at no additional cost, to refer somebody
[13:56.920 --> 14:04.220]  else to the system and put you into a referral network in, in case you decide that you would
[14:04.220 --> 14:12.400]  like to create some residual income or build a book of business or even follow a, a strategy
[14:12.400 --> 14:20.120]  designed by the other affiliates in order to optimize your, your, your residuals from
[14:20.120 --> 14:22.640]  the, from the referral system.
[14:22.640 --> 14:23.640]  Okay.
[14:23.640 --> 14:27.880]  So it sounds like there's, there's definitely money that could be made in working with this
[14:27.880 --> 14:31.680]  company and if I heard you right, it doesn't cost anything to become an affiliate for the
[14:31.680 --> 14:32.680]  company.
[14:32.680 --> 14:35.080]  No, there's no cost to do that.
[14:35.080 --> 14:40.200]  We have two optional programs that the company's made offer for you to do.
[14:40.200 --> 14:41.600]  It's up to, it's up to you.
[14:41.600 --> 14:49.200]  The nice thing about it is that, you know, the basis of referring some, somebody to the
[14:49.200 --> 14:57.040]  system will create money and residuals for you if and only if there is an exchange that
[14:57.040 --> 15:05.360]  occurs from the movement of paper money into gold money or a, or another product is purchased
[15:05.360 --> 15:06.360]  through the system.
[15:06.360 --> 15:07.360]  Okay.
[15:07.360 --> 15:11.760]  You know, there, it's, it really truly is a legitimate way to get paid for making that
[15:11.760 --> 15:17.360]  referral in a, in a time when the paper money we're seeing so many challenges worldwide.
[15:17.360 --> 15:18.360]  Let's face it.
[15:18.360 --> 15:19.360]  Yeah.
[15:19.360 --> 15:23.680]  There wouldn't, there wouldn't be regime changes across the planet.
[15:23.680 --> 15:29.160]  You wouldn't see Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party movements or bail ins, bail outs and private
[15:29.160 --> 15:34.440]  pension funds being swapped out with public trust bonds worldwide if the paper money was
[15:34.440 --> 15:37.260]  still doing what it was supposed to do.
[15:37.260 --> 15:43.240]  These are merely the symptoms of the paper money failing to do what we used to count
[15:43.240 --> 15:44.240]  on it to do.
[15:44.240 --> 15:45.240]  Okay.
[15:45.240 --> 15:50.760]  Well, you know, it's interesting because I, I've been a precious metals advocate for years.
[15:50.760 --> 15:56.760]  I've probably recommended thousands and thousands of dollars of purchases with people and I've
[15:56.760 --> 16:01.400]  never made a dime, but this, this sounds like a program where I can recommend people to
[16:01.400 --> 16:04.560]  do what I've been recommending all along and get paid for it.
[16:04.560 --> 16:07.700]  So that's pretty cool.
[16:07.700 --> 16:10.000]  Why should somebody consider Keir Bars as a business?
[16:10.000 --> 16:12.920]  I assume there's pretty good money to be made.
[16:12.920 --> 16:13.920]  Absolutely.
[16:13.920 --> 16:15.560]  Let me give you a perspective.
[16:15.560 --> 16:21.520]  I was a licensed and bonded repo man for 27 years in Southern California.
[16:21.520 --> 16:24.280]  I've seen a side of life that most people haven't seen.
[16:24.280 --> 16:30.040]  No matter how hard I worked, and many of you might relate to this, even if you made great
[16:30.040 --> 16:36.800]  money, you cannot retire at any age, just as what I did is I got residual work, not
[16:36.800 --> 16:39.720]  residual income until I couldn't work anymore.
[16:39.720 --> 16:43.880]  I broke my neck in 1992 and I realized one important aspect.
[16:43.880 --> 16:46.440]  You never get paid for what you know.
[16:46.440 --> 16:49.560]  You only get paid for what you do with what you know.
[16:49.560 --> 16:50.560]  All right, folks.
[16:50.560 --> 16:54.040]  So if something happens and you can't do it anymore, that's, things occur.
[16:54.040 --> 16:55.040]  All right.
[16:55.040 --> 16:56.040]  We'll be right back, folks.
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[19:19.400 --> 19:32.640]  Alright folks, we are back, this is the Lula Blah, we are talking about carrot bars here
[19:32.640 --> 19:37.320]  and this is a very unique opportunity to get into currency grade gold, it's different from
[19:37.320 --> 19:44.120]  bullion and we have Dan Giralmo and Jim Gray explaining about it and folks if you want
[19:44.120 --> 19:52.560]  to find out more you can go to carrotbarsradio.com and when you sign up or you can buy gold there,
[19:52.560 --> 19:56.880]  gold savings plan or if you want to make it a business, you will be supporting Logos Radio
[19:56.880 --> 19:57.880]  Network.
[19:57.880 --> 20:03.560]  So please consider this as a business opportunity and just as a gold investment, not investment
[20:03.560 --> 20:07.320]  but a gold savings plan, it's a very wise decision.
[20:07.320 --> 20:15.320]  So that would be k-a-r-a-t-b-a-r-s, carrot bars with a k, radio.com.
[20:15.320 --> 20:19.880]  Alright Dan, so I'm going to turn it back over to you if you could please continue your
[20:19.880 --> 20:24.160]  thought that you were stating at the end of the last segment.
[20:24.160 --> 20:25.160]  Thank you very much.
[20:25.160 --> 20:32.400]  You know folks, as a perception and perspective of a man who has seen a side of life that
[20:32.400 --> 20:37.040]  most people haven't seen, when you go off this radio station, you go out in the real
[20:37.040 --> 20:43.040]  world, you see all the trappings to say that everything looks good and everything's alright.
[20:43.040 --> 20:53.640]  I'm here to tell you from reality that you may not be as impressed as you might be now
[20:53.640 --> 20:58.560]  if they had to own everything outright before they possessed it.
[20:58.560 --> 21:06.520]  And so what we offer is anybody a sensible alternative solution which merely is a change
[21:06.520 --> 21:09.560]  in your banking routine in its essence.
[21:09.560 --> 21:14.440]  All the great things in life are simple.
[21:14.440 --> 21:19.080]  If the paper money is supposed to represent the labor that you gave to somebody else and
[21:19.080 --> 21:24.720]  their system that we've been playing in has been so good, then why are there 47 million
[21:24.720 --> 21:26.760]  people on food stamps?
[21:26.760 --> 21:31.480]  Why are there people with college educations that can't find work?
[21:31.480 --> 21:37.120]  Why do we see kids staying home until they're 25 or 26 and half of them or a good portion
[21:37.120 --> 21:40.820]  of them on antidepressants?
[21:40.820 --> 21:42.840]  Maybe they're not depressed.
[21:42.840 --> 21:46.480]  Maybe they're just not inspired.
[21:46.480 --> 21:48.400]  Maybe we need to look at that.
[21:48.400 --> 21:57.020]  So what this offers anybody is if you choose to just to protect yourself from the bad decisions
[21:57.020 --> 22:01.680]  made by politicians, bankers, and governments, even with good intentions that didn't work
[22:01.680 --> 22:05.920]  out the way they were supposed to, the simplicity is this.
[22:05.920 --> 22:11.600]  For every dollar you put in the bank, they tell you that the core rate of inflation is
[22:11.600 --> 22:17.960]  2% or 3%, but they leave out gas, food, and energy costs, which if they added those in
[22:17.960 --> 22:24.400]  would be over 11%, which means if you, for every dollar you put in the bank, getting
[22:24.400 --> 22:31.640]  maybe 1%, maybe 2%, even on your money market accounts or CDs.
[22:31.640 --> 22:37.340]  That means you're losing 9% or 10% on every paper dollar you got in your paper money bank.
[22:37.340 --> 22:39.840]  That doesn't sound like good math to me.
[22:39.840 --> 22:45.400]  The simplicity is keep doing what you're doing and instead of putting all of your paper money
[22:45.400 --> 22:51.840]  in a paper money bank, take some of that, open up a free Carrot Bars account, exchange
[22:51.840 --> 22:54.160]  some of that paper money into gold money.
[22:54.160 --> 22:59.920]  And as the value of the gold money goes down, the value of the buying power of your gold
[22:59.920 --> 23:02.200]  account goes up.
[23:02.200 --> 23:05.000]  It balances out your losses in its simplicity.
[23:05.000 --> 23:11.440]  If you want to multiply that and do something significant, choose to take your eyes off
[23:11.440 --> 23:16.560]  of yourself and offer somebody an opportunity to see this.
[23:16.560 --> 23:22.080]  This system is in a time whose time has come worldwide, not just here.
[23:22.080 --> 23:30.320]  And if 10,000 new people saw Carrot Bars for the first time, 10,000 new people every single
[23:30.320 --> 23:37.760]  day for 25 years, only 1% of the world would ever even hear about it.
[23:37.760 --> 23:41.160]  That is the opportunity that you have.
[23:41.160 --> 23:44.920]  That is the obligation you have to your brothers and your sisters.
[23:44.920 --> 23:50.760]  If you take the time to investigate this, check it out, find out how it works and get
[23:50.760 --> 23:55.760]  back to carrotbarsradio.com and seek some other information.
[23:55.760 --> 24:02.520]  You can make a significant additional income and for many that choose to with additional
[24:02.520 --> 24:03.880]  work.
[24:03.880 --> 24:10.000]  We have an accelerated earning plan and a strategy and we've refined it, we've made
[24:10.000 --> 24:17.560]  it sensible to the masses out there and even a 12-week strategy to produce $4,500 a week
[24:17.560 --> 24:22.440]  of passive income in 12 weeks if you follow the plan.
[24:22.440 --> 24:28.120]  Some may decide to make that in 4 weeks or 24 weeks time or 12 months time depending
[24:28.120 --> 24:31.760]  on how much work they're willing to do and what their goals are.
[24:31.760 --> 24:37.120]  We don't make anybody do anything and we're not looking to convince anybody to do anything.
[24:37.120 --> 24:44.360]  But if you want to come see what is attracting people from every single income category and
[24:44.360 --> 24:53.160]  profession worldwide, do yourself a favor and go to carrotbarsradio.com, check it out.
[24:53.160 --> 24:59.600]  It has a good purpose behind it and there are so many people that have a need for it.
[24:59.600 --> 25:04.760]  You might be saving from the repo man's grasp.
[25:04.760 --> 25:11.300]  You might be saving a family or a marriage from imminent financial disaster by letting
[25:11.300 --> 25:15.040]  them have an opportunity to take a look.
[25:15.040 --> 25:22.080]  So what I wanted you to say today is that this works if you can pay it forward in that
[25:22.080 --> 25:28.440]  big sense and with that thousands upon thousands of people will get to know and insulate them
[25:28.440 --> 25:29.440]  from what's going on.
[25:29.440 --> 25:32.440]  It's been a pleasure to share with you today.
[25:32.440 --> 25:39.680]  The best part about what we do is we get paid to save money, not spend it.
[25:39.680 --> 25:45.880]  Get paid to save money and reverse the tide and the flow of the declining buying power
[25:45.880 --> 25:52.040]  of the paper money that you get paid to no matter what you do and this goes global.
[25:52.040 --> 25:59.880]  You get to utilize the system built and paid for on someone else's money and for the infrastructure
[25:59.880 --> 26:01.760]  of Carrot Bars International.
[26:01.760 --> 26:08.160]  They produced it and it's been my pleasure to share with you tonight.
[26:08.160 --> 26:12.760]  But Dan, before you run off, this is Jim again, Randy during the break said he had a couple
[26:12.760 --> 26:13.760]  of questions.
[26:13.760 --> 26:14.760]  You got a little bit longer.
[26:14.760 --> 26:15.760]  You can answer his questions.
[26:15.760 --> 26:16.760]  Yes, no problem.
[26:16.760 --> 26:21.040]  We have about three minutes left of this break, of this segment, I mean, to break.
[26:21.040 --> 26:22.640]  Go ahead, Randy.
[26:22.640 --> 26:32.800]  Quite a while ago I had wanted to try to find a way that I could put my money into an account
[26:32.800 --> 26:40.320]  and instead of the amount of money I put in the account being marked on a ledger denominated
[26:40.320 --> 26:48.920]  in green dollars, I wanted to put on a ledger denominated in gold, silver, platinum, palladium,
[26:48.920 --> 26:52.160]  something hard.
[26:52.160 --> 26:59.100]  This sounds like exactly that kind of a program.
[26:59.100 --> 27:08.840]  If I take my green dollars and put them into your system, from what I'm hearing, they are
[27:08.840 --> 27:14.960]  essentially as fluid as my green dollars, except when they're sitting marked on your
[27:14.960 --> 27:18.600]  ledger, they're not marked on there in green dollars.
[27:18.600 --> 27:24.920]  So on this show, a lot of people have been talking about the dollar going into hyperinflation.
[27:24.920 --> 27:27.200]  Well, who cares?
[27:27.200 --> 27:31.200]  Let it go into hyperinflation.
[27:31.200 --> 27:44.000]  We have a number of states who have proposals to declare gold and silver as legal tender.
[27:44.000 --> 27:49.600]  And I look at that, if that were to occur, if the states who did that, that would fix
[27:49.600 --> 27:53.640]  our problem with the monetary system because we wouldn't care what happened to the green
[27:53.640 --> 27:54.640]  dollar.
[27:54.640 --> 28:01.600]  That fix our problems with the feds overreaching and these new money systems, yours and a couple
[28:01.600 --> 28:04.040]  others that are around.
[28:04.040 --> 28:09.840]  The others make me nervous because they're all up there in the ether.
[28:09.840 --> 28:11.880]  Yours is hard.
[28:11.880 --> 28:20.200]  I can put my hand on it and the way I explained this is if I've got a cup here, this cup is
[28:20.200 --> 28:21.200]  hard.
[28:21.200 --> 28:25.120]  It's going to take a certain amount of labor, a certain amount of materials to make this
[28:25.120 --> 28:26.120]  cup.
[28:26.120 --> 28:30.680]  No matter what happens to the dollar, it's going to take a certain amount of labor and
[28:30.680 --> 28:33.680]  a certain amount of material to make this cup.
[28:33.680 --> 28:39.880]  So the cup will hold its value and the gold of all things, all through history, that's
[28:39.880 --> 28:41.360]  always held its value.
[28:41.360 --> 28:47.600]  So am I correct in thinking that it would be relatively simple matter to have my clients
[28:47.600 --> 28:49.960]  who are going to pay me?
[28:49.960 --> 28:54.120]  Could this pay me in green dollars?
[28:54.120 --> 29:03.520]  Just convert that green dollars into gold and put it in my account with your company.
[29:03.520 --> 29:04.960]  Does that sound feasible?
[29:04.960 --> 29:06.720]  Yes, it is.
[29:06.720 --> 29:10.460]  One thing we should point out that this is not a checking account.
[29:10.460 --> 29:15.280]  This is a long-term preservation account in order to carry you through the times when
[29:15.280 --> 29:21.600]  we will mathematically see major changes in restructuring and revaluing in the paper money
[29:21.600 --> 29:23.440]  across the board.
[29:23.440 --> 29:27.560]  Realize this, if you stay in paper money, you're going to buy less stuff in the future.
[29:27.560 --> 29:31.280]  If you diversify into some gold money, you'll buy more.
[29:31.280 --> 29:33.520]  It's really as simple as that.
[29:33.520 --> 29:35.600]  You can't get hurt in the program.
[29:35.600 --> 29:39.120]  It's not a paper stock or ETF, which is an investment.
[29:39.120 --> 29:45.200]  Investments can go to zero and you can't turn those paper ETFs into physical gold metal.
[29:45.200 --> 29:52.480]  What we have is physical gold metal in transaction-friendly way that allows you to be portable and flexible
[29:52.480 --> 29:59.760]  and with our own system custom branded MasterCard allows you the portability to go anywhere.
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[30:52.600 --> 30:56.920]  If you ask people to name the most evil act they can think of, most will tell you it's
[30:56.920 --> 31:01.680]  the killing of another human being and that's exactly what the Sixth Commandment prohibits.
[31:01.680 --> 31:04.320]  The Bible says, thou shalt not murder.
[31:04.320 --> 31:08.660]  The Ten Commandments have probably inspired more commitment and controversy than any other
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[33:32.800 --> 33:41.880]  Okay, folks, we are back, this is the rule of law, ruleoflawradio.com.
[33:41.880 --> 33:51.280]  And please go to carrotbarsradio.com, K-A-R-A-T-B-A-R-S, radio.com and you can get more information
[33:51.280 --> 33:56.680]  and get yourself a gold savings account, build yourself a brand new business and help support
[33:56.680 --> 33:58.480]  Logos Radio Network.
[33:58.480 --> 34:02.960]  And one thing that I really personally like about this is that it's a good way to get
[34:02.960 --> 34:07.160]  into gold without having to spend a whole lot of money right up front.
[34:07.160 --> 34:12.520]  You can get a gram for 65 bucks, I mean, who doesn't have 65 bucks to get into gold, especially
[34:12.520 --> 34:13.520]  currency grade gold.
[34:13.520 --> 34:19.880]  So I really like the fact that you can get this currency grade gold in very small chunks
[34:19.880 --> 34:22.000]  if you will, gram by gram.
[34:22.000 --> 34:28.920]  And also, Dan and Jim here wanted to also mention about converting IRAs.
[34:28.920 --> 34:33.840]  And Dan, before we went to break, you were talking about the MasterCard, so if you would
[34:33.840 --> 34:35.600]  please continue on that.
[34:35.600 --> 34:38.040]  Sure, thanks very much.
[34:38.040 --> 34:41.080]  You know, I'm a common sense guy.
[34:41.080 --> 34:50.880]  I look at things in a logical fashion as well as how it fits in society, in the real world.
[34:50.880 --> 35:01.640]  One verification that I looked at when I evaluate this was that only legitimate companies can
[35:01.640 --> 35:05.080]  get their own branded MasterCard.
[35:05.080 --> 35:11.440]  They have to show financial stability and long term financial ability.
[35:11.440 --> 35:18.960]  And so that was a common sense facet that I looked at and recognized as a benchmark
[35:18.960 --> 35:25.960]  to tell in a simple layman's fashion whether or not this is something I should include
[35:25.960 --> 35:27.360]  to look at.
[35:27.360 --> 35:34.360]  And so having a Carrot Bars MasterCard, if you are an entrepreneur listening to this,
[35:34.360 --> 35:40.920]  you are looking at a system that allows you to be portable and flexible worldwide, where
[35:40.920 --> 35:49.600]  if you decide to create a book of business or referrals or even follow our 12-week strategy
[35:49.600 --> 35:56.200]  plan, if you decide to do any of those themselves, you have the ability to go anywhere in the
[35:56.200 --> 36:03.280]  world at 32 million locations and have access to the commissions that you have earned and
[36:03.280 --> 36:08.760]  residuals because every week they are placed on your Carrot Bars MasterCard.
[36:08.760 --> 36:10.960]  I can go in Mexico and get out pesos.
[36:10.960 --> 36:13.680]  I can go in Japan and get out yen.
[36:13.680 --> 36:19.480]  I can go anywhere in the world and be portable and flexible with no employees, little or
[36:19.480 --> 36:28.800]  no overhead, and be able to correctly utilize money through a MasterCard and the correct
[36:28.800 --> 36:35.200]  way to save money has to be in physical metal, which we have.
[36:35.200 --> 36:45.200]  And so all of those components together give you an unbelievable means to capitalize on
[36:45.200 --> 36:55.640]  residual overrides on savings, plans, deposit globally, all run and attained through a MasterCard
[36:55.640 --> 37:03.000]  for moving cash money and for physical gold to the correct way to save money and create
[37:03.000 --> 37:06.240]  generational wealth.
[37:06.240 --> 37:07.240]  Well that's excellent.
[37:07.240 --> 37:12.640]  Dan, I had another question I just thought of.
[37:12.640 --> 37:18.200]  You know, we're hearing a lot, you mentioned it, about these private retirement accounts
[37:18.200 --> 37:25.000]  being taken over by the public, so to speak, and there's a lot of people that are nervous
[37:25.000 --> 37:30.080]  about their retirement money, their IRAs or 401Ks and that kind of thing.
[37:30.080 --> 37:32.000]  Can Carrot Bars help those people?
[37:32.000 --> 37:34.280]  Absolutely they can.
[37:34.280 --> 37:42.120]  You know, we worked on a project for 14 months with a very trusted, licensed, professional,
[37:42.120 --> 37:48.240]  independent agency called Entrust Group or Entrust Financial.
[37:48.240 --> 37:50.200]  They are 40 years in the United States.
[37:50.200 --> 37:56.220]  They're one of the top, if not the top, self-directed IRA companies in the country.
[37:56.220 --> 38:02.280]  We worked out a program with them from the, actually from the affiliates.
[38:02.280 --> 38:10.360]  Carrot Bars did have nothing to do with it directly, but we came up with a proper plan
[38:10.360 --> 38:16.800]  and actually created a means that you can choose, if you want to, in a simple fashion
[38:16.800 --> 38:24.240]  to roll over an IRA, excuse me, a 401K or establish a self-directed IRA in a three-step
[38:24.240 --> 38:31.600]  process all handled by trusted, licensed professionals, and so it makes it a very simple process.
[38:31.600 --> 38:37.000]  Obviously, us as affiliates, we don't give tax or financial advice, consult your trusted
[38:37.000 --> 38:45.320]  licensed professional, but what we have created at CarrotBarsIRA.com is a means for you to
[38:45.320 --> 38:53.580]  protect what you have already done in a fashion that is kept in metal, not interest-bearing,
[38:53.580 --> 38:57.840]  but to preserve that in the times when we're watching these swaps.
[38:57.840 --> 39:04.680]  Even cities here in California are swapping out some of their city pension funds with
[39:04.680 --> 39:09.000]  other bonds that are basically printed out of thin air, hard assets.
[39:09.000 --> 39:10.480]  We saw it in Poland.
[39:10.480 --> 39:13.360]  They didn't see much on the news, did you?
[39:13.360 --> 39:18.840]  Now, the point about that is you can Google it and go see, and so here creates a simple
[39:18.840 --> 39:24.760]  way that anybody that has one doesn't have to worry about being pressured by their agent.
[39:24.760 --> 39:28.100]  They can go simply do a three-step process.
[39:28.100 --> 39:35.560]  You can find the details at CarrotBarsIRA.com, and it's established by first becoming an
[39:35.560 --> 39:44.800]  affiliate, and then you actually work with Entrust, and you can see the details there
[39:44.800 --> 39:48.640]  at CarrotBarsIRA.com.
[39:48.640 --> 40:00.720]  So here, it's vaulted in metal, and it's available to protect your assets and provide security
[40:00.720 --> 40:09.400]  from what you cannot control, is what the politicians decide to do, and so it insulates
[40:09.400 --> 40:13.760]  you from their actions, even with good intentions.
[40:13.760 --> 40:18.600]  So you mentioned that you have to be an affiliate, so to become an affiliate first, you would
[40:18.600 --> 40:24.400]  go to CarrotBarsIRA.com, and then after that, you can go to CarrotBarsIRA.com and look at
[40:24.400 --> 40:25.400]  their IRA program.
[40:25.400 --> 40:26.400]  That is exactly correct.
[40:26.400 --> 40:27.400]  Okay.
[40:27.400 --> 40:28.400]  Very good.
[40:28.400 --> 40:33.280]  Well, very good, Deb, but, you know, I don't know if you guys have any other questions,
[40:33.280 --> 40:34.280]  but I...
[40:34.280 --> 40:36.640]  Well, there is a caller who does have a question for y'all.
[40:36.640 --> 40:37.640]  Okay.
[40:37.640 --> 40:39.400]  Okay, so let's go ahead and take the call.
[40:39.400 --> 40:42.240]  We've got about three minutes left of this segment.
[40:42.240 --> 40:47.000]  Brian from Texas has a question for Dan and Jim about CarrotBars.
[40:47.000 --> 40:48.000]  Thank you for calling in, Brian.
[40:48.000 --> 40:49.000]  Here's your question.
[40:49.000 --> 40:50.000]  Hey.
[40:50.000 --> 40:51.000]  Thanks for taking my call.
[40:51.000 --> 40:52.000]  Hey, real quick.
[40:52.000 --> 40:58.760]  I'm somewhat familiar with this, and I'm sure there's a lot of other people listening, but
[40:58.760 --> 40:59.760]  we still haven't got it.
[40:59.760 --> 41:05.040]  I'm literally online trying to sign up, and I would absolutely like to support Logos just
[41:05.040 --> 41:08.640]  because I get more information from you guys, probably than any other source.
[41:08.640 --> 41:09.640]  Thank you, Brian.
[41:09.640 --> 41:11.680]  Deb, you're very welcome.
[41:11.680 --> 41:16.880]  What is your, so anybody listening, because I'm on the sign-up page, what is your sponsor
[41:16.880 --> 41:21.720]  username and your CARAT ID number?
[41:21.720 --> 41:23.520]  My sponsor username and...
[41:23.520 --> 41:27.920]  The CarrotBars radio should take you right to the sign-up link, Brian, and it should
[41:27.920 --> 41:31.760]  be in there, but I tell you what...
[41:31.760 --> 41:32.760]  I'm sorry.
[41:32.760 --> 41:33.760]  I went around the other way.
[41:33.760 --> 41:38.320]  I went just to the regular sign-up, but in case somebody doesn't go to that...
[41:38.320 --> 41:39.320]  Oh, okay.
[41:39.320 --> 41:41.640]  Well, there's two ways you can get to my sign-up page.
[41:41.640 --> 41:50.640]  You can go to CarrotBarsRadio.com, that's with a K, or you can go to my website, LogosRadioNetwork.com,
[41:50.640 --> 41:57.680]  and click on the Sponsors link, and then the very top banner, you click on that, and it'll
[41:57.680 --> 41:59.160]  the Gold Savings Club.
[41:59.160 --> 42:00.160]  Okay.
[42:00.160 --> 42:01.160]  So, I'm sorry.
[42:01.160 --> 42:03.760]  Say that your website again, because I don't know what you're saying.
[42:03.760 --> 42:04.760]  Yes.
[42:04.760 --> 42:11.600]  It's the website for the network, Logos, L-O-G-O-S, Radio Network, all one word, Logos, Radio
[42:11.600 --> 42:19.280]  Network.com, and then click on the Sponsors link, and then the very top banner says Gold
[42:19.280 --> 42:24.880]  Savings Club, or you can go to CarrotBarsRadio with a K, and that'll make things easier.
[42:24.880 --> 42:25.880]  Okay.
[42:25.880 --> 42:31.360]  And Brian, if you go through either of those links, Logos Radio's sponsor name and number
[42:31.360 --> 42:34.200]  will be in that sign-up page.
[42:34.200 --> 42:35.200]  Okay.
[42:35.200 --> 42:36.200]  Can you say it by chance?
[42:36.200 --> 42:38.200]  Do you know it just so anybody listening?
[42:38.200 --> 42:42.640]  Because I'm, let's say, because I don't know about the username and all that.
[42:42.640 --> 42:45.920]  Is there a, do you know the sponsor username and the ID offhand?
[42:45.920 --> 42:49.360]  Actually, I'll go in there and look real quick, and I'll put that out there for everybody.
[42:49.360 --> 42:50.360]  Yeah, I'm sorry.
[42:50.360 --> 42:51.840]  I don't have it in front of me right now.
[42:51.840 --> 42:52.840]  That's okay.
[42:52.840 --> 42:58.960]  I mean, I set up these links to just make it real easy on people, but I don't have that
[42:58.960 --> 43:00.960]  other information in front of me right now.
[43:00.960 --> 43:01.960]  I'm sorry.
[43:01.960 --> 43:02.960]  I got no worries.
[43:02.960 --> 43:03.960]  I'll pull it up.
[43:03.960 --> 43:06.800]  Just hang with me here, but go ahead.
[43:06.800 --> 43:11.400]  I'm signing up as you guys are talking, because I've actually been talking to some other people
[43:11.400 --> 43:16.920]  in Atlanta and throughout a couple other networks that we've heard this.
[43:16.920 --> 43:21.440]  I heard this a couple of what, I don't know, maybe a year, probably not even a year ago
[43:21.440 --> 43:25.840]  on Joyce Riley, and I just heard a little bit about it, and then boom, I was listening
[43:25.840 --> 43:32.840]  in tonight to actually try to call in on another jurisdiction issue, and boom, here it is.
[43:32.840 --> 43:34.960]  So this is an incredible opportunity.
[43:34.960 --> 43:37.080]  Thank you very much, Brian.
[43:37.080 --> 43:38.080]  All right.
[43:38.080 --> 43:49.400]  We are going to break right now, so folks, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984, and
[43:49.400 --> 43:51.600]  we'll finish up with this right on the other side.
[43:51.600 --> 43:52.600]  We'll be right back, folks.
[43:52.600 --> 43:53.600]  All right.
[43:53.600 --> 43:54.600]  Thank you.
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[45:59.880 --> 46:27.360]  Okay, folks, we are back, this is the rule of law, ruleoflawradio.com, and that is the
[46:27.360 --> 46:33.760]  website for our show, but the website for the network, of course, is logosradionetwork.com.
[46:33.760 --> 46:39.600]  You can click on the sponsors link and click on the banner that says the Gold Savings Club,
[46:39.600 --> 46:46.560]  or you can go to carrotbarsradio.com with a K, and Jim did look up all the details of
[46:46.560 --> 46:50.040]  the information for my account, I appreciate that, Jim, because I didn't have that right
[46:50.040 --> 46:53.040]  in front of me, so go ahead, Jim.
[46:53.040 --> 46:59.440]  Yeah, Brian was asking for the sponsor details, and that would be Logos Radio, would be the
[46:59.440 --> 47:06.440]  sponsor details, Logos Radio, and if you want to support Logos Radio, that's what you'd
[47:06.440 --> 47:18.840]  put in, and then you'd put in for the ID 11657723, again, that's 11657723, so it's Logos Radio
[47:18.840 --> 47:23.080]  and that number, and that'll help support the radio station.
[47:23.080 --> 47:28.120]  Yes, and that's all one word, Logosradio, and please, folks, we do need the support
[47:28.120 --> 47:33.320]  right now, so we had one other question from a caller that did not stay on the line, but
[47:33.320 --> 47:39.800]  he typed in the question, so Randy, can you please read them that question, please?
[47:39.800 --> 47:46.880]  Yes, Terry from Michigan had a question, what if the internet or electronic banking goes
[47:46.880 --> 47:50.200]  down, how does that affect carrot bars?
[47:50.200 --> 47:56.600]  Very good question, Terry, I hope you're listening somewhere there.
[47:56.600 --> 48:03.720]  The backup plans of carrot bars allow a three-tier verification process, I think everybody should
[48:03.720 --> 48:11.880]  have some carrot bars in their hands, typical example is Panama, Panama shut down the banks
[48:11.880 --> 48:16.640]  for four days, they called it a holiday, nobody can conduct business, you know what they probably
[48:16.640 --> 48:23.840]  would take, verified measured weights in transaction friendly pure gold bullion for when it does
[48:23.840 --> 48:30.760]  come back online, and so we have backups, you can print out your own invoices, carrot
[48:30.760 --> 48:38.480]  bars has mirrored servers, redundant servers, online and offline, protected, and also if
[48:38.480 --> 48:43.740]  you have gold that's vaulted, pro-segure, has their own verification and ledgers all
[48:43.740 --> 48:50.560]  combined together, and so regardless, if something happens, it would only happen for a short
[48:50.560 --> 48:59.960]  time, but if that were to go down, so would all of the other facilities having to do with
[48:59.960 --> 49:06.160]  commerce as well, and if they did do that, it would only be for a short time, I would
[49:06.160 --> 49:07.160]  imagine.
[49:07.160 --> 49:09.760]  Would that make sense in a common sense fashion?
[49:09.760 --> 49:11.920]  Did to me.
[49:11.920 --> 49:19.480]  Oh yes, absolutely, I mean if the whole internet goes down, which it's not going to, because
[49:19.480 --> 49:23.560]  I've talked to people who work in the internet industry, there's several different layers,
[49:23.560 --> 49:29.040]  I mean there are multiple layers, it's a very complex structure, it's not going to just
[49:29.040 --> 49:34.360]  go down and there's really no such thing as an internet kill switch, it's just a matter
[49:34.360 --> 49:38.340]  of filtering and people can get around that by tunneling, I mean it's not going to go
[49:38.340 --> 49:44.440]  down, the whole world depends on it, it has to be up all the time because the entire globe
[49:44.440 --> 49:50.260]  depends on the internet right now, and so that is a very good point, if electronic banking
[49:50.260 --> 49:54.560]  goes down or if these other things go down, I mean everybody is down, and so that's even
[49:54.560 --> 50:00.680]  more of a reason to have it in your hand, very good point.
[50:00.680 --> 50:02.040]  So is that it for questions there?
[50:02.040 --> 50:06.920]  I believe so, I really appreciate you gentlemen coming on the show tonight.
[50:06.920 --> 50:13.200]  Absolutely, let me just say again real quick for those that are out there, if you're not
[50:13.200 --> 50:20.280]  here, haven't heard it yet, you can support Logos Radio by, if you like what you hear
[50:20.280 --> 50:25.520]  and you want to sign up for the free program, you can go to caratbarsradio.com, and for
[50:25.520 --> 50:30.600]  those that have gone out to the Caratbars website and are trying to sign up like Brian
[50:30.600 --> 50:37.120]  was earlier, the sponsor details are Logos Radio, all lowercase no spaces, and the ID
[50:37.120 --> 50:41.840]  is 116-57723, again that's 116-57723.
[50:41.840 --> 50:48.160]  Yes, and first after you all sign up, if you have more questions, then we'll put you in
[50:48.160 --> 50:52.160]  contact with Jim and he'll be able to explain in further detail to you.
[50:52.160 --> 50:53.160]  Absolutely.
[50:53.160 --> 50:56.760]  All right, thank you Jim, thank you Dan for your time tonight, we really appreciate it.
[50:56.760 --> 50:57.760]  Thank you very much.
[50:57.760 --> 50:59.240]  Thanks for having us on.
[50:59.240 --> 51:00.240]  You all have a good night.
[51:00.240 --> 51:01.240]  Take care.
[51:01.240 --> 51:02.240]  Okay.
[51:02.240 --> 51:03.240]  Take care.
[51:03.240 --> 51:11.320]  All right, excellent, so that was Dan Giralmo and Jim Gray from Caratbars, and we are very
[51:11.320 --> 51:16.840]  happy to have them as a sponsor, and so folks when you do sign up for your free gold savings
[51:16.840 --> 51:22.920]  account or sign up to become an affiliate, you can make this into a business and support
[51:22.920 --> 51:25.520]  Logos Radio Network, it's much appreciated.
[51:25.520 --> 51:29.760]  Okay, Randy, at this point we've got Jeff from Mississippi hanging on the line, he has
[51:29.760 --> 51:36.120]  a question that is not related to Caratbars, but rather regarding production of documents
[51:36.120 --> 51:41.200]  and discoveries, so do you want to go to Jeff from Mississippi, or do you have any other
[51:41.200 --> 51:42.200]  comments you want to make now?
[51:42.200 --> 51:43.200]  No, no, let's go to Jeff.
[51:43.200 --> 51:44.200]  He's been hanging on the line.
[51:44.200 --> 51:45.200]  Okay, great.
[51:45.200 --> 51:47.160]  Yeah, Jeff has been waiting since the beginning.
[51:47.160 --> 51:49.360]  Jeff from Mississippi, thank you for calling in tonight.
[51:49.360 --> 51:50.360]  What is your question?
[51:50.360 --> 51:53.240]  Yeah, thank you, and thank you for having me.
[51:53.240 --> 51:59.800]  I've got two quick questions, I received a mandate, and I wanted to read that to you,
[51:59.800 --> 52:05.640]  and just to catch the listeners up to speed, my case went to the appeals court, and the
[52:05.640 --> 52:12.240]  appeals court actually voted in my favor and gave me a retrial or gave me a new trial.
[52:12.240 --> 52:19.560]  The state then turned around and filed a motion for reconsideration, and I got a mandate in
[52:19.560 --> 52:25.760]  the mail, and I've never seen a mandate before, but I just wanted to read it off to you, Thursday,
[52:25.760 --> 52:32.640]  the sixth day of February, reversed and remanded, which was me, Thursday, the 10th of April,
[52:32.640 --> 52:38.880]  motion for rehearing filed by the state of Mississippi is denied, Coleman J., which is
[52:38.880 --> 52:43.840]  the judge, Wood Grant, what does that mean?
[52:43.840 --> 52:44.840]  Wood Grant.
[52:44.840 --> 52:47.920]  Is that his name, Wood Grant?
[52:47.920 --> 52:53.400]  No, Wood, W-O-U-L-D, Grant.
[52:53.400 --> 52:54.880]  And nothing after it?
[52:54.880 --> 52:58.240]  No, just a period.
[52:58.240 --> 53:04.880]  Have no idea what that could mean, it's got to be some term of art.
[53:04.880 --> 53:10.740]  Okay, next sentence is you are commanded that execution and further proceedings, as may
[53:10.740 --> 53:16.620]  be appropriate forthwith, be had consistent with this judgment and the constitution and
[53:16.620 --> 53:20.320]  laws of the state of Mississippi, are they talking to me or to the judge?
[53:20.320 --> 53:27.160]  No, they're talking to the lower court judge, they have remanded the case, too.
[53:27.160 --> 53:35.040]  That's a good ruling, they asked for reconsideration and the court said absolutely not going to
[53:35.040 --> 53:36.040]  happen.
[53:36.040 --> 53:37.040]  Good deal.
[53:37.040 --> 53:44.080]  The second question is I'm going to file for a motion for discovery, can I ask for the
[53:44.080 --> 53:52.640]  transcripts from the grand jury indictment, can I ask for that in my discovery?
[53:52.640 --> 53:53.640]  Absolutely.
[53:53.640 --> 53:54.640]  Okay, good.
[53:54.640 --> 54:03.200]  Okay, now this goes directly to the sufficiency of the indictment, did you challenge the sufficiency
[54:03.200 --> 54:11.520]  of the indictment prior to the cause being heard?
[54:11.520 --> 54:13.520]  No.
[54:13.520 --> 54:15.320]  That may raise an issue.
[54:15.320 --> 54:22.360]  I didn't do it, but with this new trial I'm going to request another discovery request
[54:22.360 --> 54:26.520]  and then ask for the transcripts.
[54:26.520 --> 54:37.080]  That raises an interesting question, normally if you feel there's a problem with the indictment,
[54:37.080 --> 54:43.240]  you have to challenge the sufficiency of the indictment prior to trial.
[54:43.240 --> 54:52.640]  But your first trial is gone like it never happened, so you should be able to come back
[54:52.640 --> 54:55.200]  and challenge the sufficiency of the indictment.
[54:55.200 --> 54:57.840]  All right, great.
[54:57.840 --> 55:07.840]  So that should be the first thing and as to discovery, do not file a motion for discovery,
[55:07.840 --> 55:16.720]  you file a request for discovery to the opposing side and the court doesn't have anything to
[55:16.720 --> 55:24.880]  do with this part of it, this is between the parties, they ask each other for discovery.
[55:24.880 --> 55:31.720]  Both parties refuse to grant discovery and then both parties file a motion to compel
[55:31.720 --> 55:35.760]  discovery, that's when discovery gets to the court.
[55:35.760 --> 55:41.320]  Did you file a motion in Lemony in the first trial?
[55:41.320 --> 55:45.160]  My public defender filed a regular motion for discovery.
[55:45.160 --> 55:48.920]  No, no, no, motion in Lemony.
[55:48.920 --> 55:50.440]  I don't believe so.
[55:50.440 --> 55:53.840]  Okay, you absolutely want to file a motion in Lemony.
[55:53.840 --> 55:54.840]  Okay.
[55:54.840 --> 55:59.000]  Send me an email, I'll send you one that I have.
[55:59.000 --> 56:04.760]  When I first started doing legal research, the way I did legal research is I went down
[56:04.760 --> 56:09.680]  to the court and looked through cases.
[56:09.680 --> 56:10.680]  You should do that.
[56:10.680 --> 56:11.680]  Okay.
[56:11.680 --> 56:12.680]  We've got that.
[56:12.680 --> 56:19.560]  Those two criminal cases, I asked the clerk, I told her, I want to see the biggest cases
[56:19.560 --> 56:20.560]  that you have.
[56:20.560 --> 56:21.560]  She said, huh?
[56:21.560 --> 56:25.120]  Yeah, I want to see the biggest cases.
[56:25.120 --> 56:32.160]  I want to see the ones that are the most hard fought and I found these incredible motions
[56:32.160 --> 56:38.240]  in there come across a motion in Lemony and I said, what in the world is that?
[56:38.240 --> 56:44.640]  A motion in Lemony are all of the questions you cannot ask and the judge is really annoyed
[56:44.640 --> 56:45.640]  with mine.
[56:45.640 --> 56:56.920]  I asked the court to prevent the prosecutor from asking any questions concerning any hypnotic
[56:56.920 --> 56:57.920]  interviews.
[56:57.920 --> 57:04.920]  And the judge said, Mr. Kelkut, were you hypnotized?
[57:04.920 --> 57:05.920]  I don't know, judge.
[57:05.920 --> 57:11.120]  You know how they make you forget that kind of thing.
[57:11.120 --> 57:18.000]  He was not a happy camper, but he did grant some key issues.
[57:18.000 --> 57:19.000]  Okay.
[57:19.000 --> 57:23.440]  If you don't ask, they can do anything they want to.
[57:23.440 --> 57:28.720]  But since your trial is starting all over again, the first thing you do is challenge
[57:28.720 --> 57:35.960]  the sufficiency of the indictment and in order to address that, you should be able to call
[57:35.960 --> 57:36.960]  the panel.
[57:36.960 --> 57:41.760]  You need to see the panel, who's on the panel.
[57:41.760 --> 57:45.960]  That's one thing you absolutely get to look at because you have a right to challenge the
[57:45.960 --> 57:46.960]  panel.
[57:46.960 --> 57:47.960]  Okay.
[57:47.960 --> 57:53.320]  So, you want to look at the panel, see who all was on it, then you want to hear that
[57:53.320 --> 58:00.160]  you want to see the transcript, see what was actually presented to see if the prosecutor
[58:00.160 --> 58:01.160]  acted in accordance with law.
[58:01.160 --> 58:02.160]  Hang on.
[58:02.160 --> 58:03.160]  We're about to go to break.
[58:03.160 --> 58:04.160]  If I can find my caller, please.
[58:04.160 --> 58:05.160]  There we are.
[58:05.160 --> 58:06.160]  Okay.
[58:06.160 --> 58:07.160]  No, we got time.
[58:07.160 --> 58:08.160]  We got time.
[58:08.160 --> 58:09.160]  And we're going top hour, so I've got a little more.
[58:09.160 --> 58:10.160]  I hear the music back there.
[58:10.160 --> 58:16.600]  You want to make sure that the prosecutor, when he presented evidence, did so properly.
[58:16.600 --> 58:17.600]  Okay.
[58:17.600 --> 58:26.360]  So, go to American Bar Association model standards for the prosecutorial function.
[58:26.360 --> 58:32.160]  That'll tell you all the stuff the prosecutor, a lot of the stuff the prosecutor can't do.
[58:32.160 --> 58:34.200]  It has a section on grand juries there.
[58:34.200 --> 58:35.200]  Okay.
[58:35.200 --> 58:36.200]  Hang on.
[58:36.200 --> 58:37.200]  We're about to go to break.
[58:37.200 --> 58:45.400]  This is Randy Kelton, Devin Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, our call in number 512-646-1984.
[58:45.400 --> 58:46.400]  We'll be right back.
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[01:01:02.040 --> 01:01:03.040]  And now the news.
[01:01:03.040 --> 01:01:08.960]  It's a clear case of do as I say, not as I do, involving the IRS and taxes owed by more
[01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:11.480]  than 1,000 employees of the agency.
[01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:16.320]  Americans who fail to pay their taxes are penalized, sometimes imprisoned for the infraction.
[01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:22.280]  However, the Los Angeles Times reports, the IRS paid nearly $1.1 million in bonuses to
[01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:26.120]  employees known to have federal tax compliance problems.
[01:01:26.120 --> 01:01:29.720]  An inspector general's report showed that the bonuses were paid out over a two-year
[01:01:29.720 --> 01:01:35.560]  period with many of the same employees awarded more than 10,000 hours of extra time off,
[01:01:35.560 --> 01:01:41.120]  performance awards and faster than average pay grade increases.
[01:01:41.120 --> 01:01:45.800]  It's legally official, Bradley Manning is now Chelsea Elizabeth Manning.
[01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.640]  According to the Associated Press, a Kansas judge Wednesday granted the request for the
[01:01:49.640 --> 01:01:51.200]  formal name change.
[01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:56.840]  Manning, a former intelligence analyst for the United States military, is serving a 35-year
[01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:02.880]  prison sentence for leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks.
[01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:07.720]  Alaska is on track to become the third state to legalize recreational marijuana.
[01:02:07.720 --> 01:02:12.560]  However, the ballot initiative to let voters decide whether or not that will happen has
[01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:14.400]  been delayed until November.
[01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:18.280]  The vote was originally expected to happen in August, but was instead moved to the later
[01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:19.280]  date.
[01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.240]  The Guardian reports that the change was made due to a longer than average state legislative
[01:02:23.240 --> 01:02:27.600]  session, which affected the legal timeline required for such initiatives to be placed
[01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:28.600]  on the ballot.
[01:02:28.600 --> 01:02:31.480]  The decision will be made during a general election.
[01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:36.640]  Public opinion polls show the majority of Americans in favor of marijuana legalization,
[01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:38.760]  be it recreational or medical.
[01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:44.360]  In January, recreational weed became legal in Colorado and Washington, while 20 states
[01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.920]  have legalized medical marijuana.
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[01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:02.960]  This is Justin Armand reporting with the Liberty Beat.
[01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:50.960]  I thought I unmuted my mic and I muted it.
[01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:51.960]  Oops.
[01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:55.480]  Yes, I'm here.
[01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:56.480]  Where were we?
[01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:57.480]  Jeff?
[01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:58.480]  Yes.
[01:03:58.480 --> 01:03:59.480]  I'm confused.
[01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:04.880]  I generally mute my mic when we're on the break or something and I didn't have it muted.
[01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.560]  So I hit the button when we came on and muted myself and I was just blabbing away.
[01:04:09.560 --> 01:04:13.200]  Oh, okay.
[01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:15.000]  Where were we?
[01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:22.480]  We were looking at going through and getting the transcripts from the grand jury and seeing
[01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:30.040]  if the prosecutor had presented all the evidence in a correct way.
[01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:35.160]  That is likely to make the prosecutor very nervous.
[01:04:35.160 --> 01:04:40.040]  You might look at a Frank's hearing.
[01:04:40.040 --> 01:04:43.080]  Look up Frank's hearing.
[01:04:43.080 --> 01:04:51.720]  A Frank's hearing would probably also apply to a grand jury because a Frank's hearing
[01:04:51.720 --> 01:04:59.000]  is normally a hearing for the purpose of determining the veracity of a police officer who testified
[01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.960]  before a magistrate to secure a warrant.
[01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:12.080]  In this case, instead of the prosecutor or the police officer testifying before a magistrate
[01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:17.240]  to secure a warrant, they testified before a grand jury.
[01:05:17.240 --> 01:05:31.400]  Essentially, a grand jury hearing is a hearing for the purpose of determining probable cause.
[01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:36.680]  So you should be able to test the veracity of the testimony before the grand jury as
[01:05:36.680 --> 01:05:43.000]  well as before a magistrate.
[01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.880]  The one thing, they say everything's secret about a grand jury.
[01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:47.640]  No, it's not.
[01:05:47.640 --> 01:05:54.600]  Generally, the only thing about a grand jury that is secret are their deliberations.
[01:05:54.600 --> 01:06:00.120]  Absolutely, the testimony given to the grand jury is not secret.
[01:06:00.120 --> 01:06:09.880]  Now, oftentimes, like here in Texas, the grand jury is forbidden to reveal what went on in
[01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:11.800]  a grand jury hearing.
[01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:19.440]  But a witness is not because when a witness is before a grand jury, he's before the grand
[01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.840]  jury officially and formally to present information to the grand jury.
[01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:29.960]  If anything else went on while the witness was there, it shouldn't have.
[01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.200]  We've had people talk about the prosecutor acting like an idiot.
[01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:38.240]  Well, he could talk about that because that part wasn't secret.
[01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:44.960]  The part that was secret is their deliberations and certainly, the testimony given to the
[01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:52.080]  grand jury, even if it was secret from me, it won't be secret from you because you have
[01:06:52.080 --> 01:06:55.480]  a special interest.
[01:06:55.480 --> 01:07:01.400]  So you should absolutely be able to request those transcripts and that should get interesting.
[01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:06.480]  I suspect that's going to get the prosecutor jumping up and down and hopping around on
[01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:12.440]  both feet because generally, they tend to go in there and do whatever they want to and
[01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.240]  act as ignorant as they want to.
[01:07:14.240 --> 01:07:19.480]  They're not accustomed to being called to the carpet on it or having someone looking
[01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:21.400]  over their shoulder.
[01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.600]  So they absolutely need that.
[01:07:23.600 --> 01:07:27.240]  So that'll get them in a fight.
[01:07:27.240 --> 01:07:28.240]  Fantastic.
[01:07:28.240 --> 01:07:31.000]  I will call you next week and report.
[01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:32.000]  Good.
[01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:33.000]  Wonderful.
[01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.920]  I'm interested in seeing how this works out.
[01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:45.260]  You might look at going to the clerk of the court, is there more than one district court
[01:07:45.260 --> 01:07:55.120]  in this district, more than one, like in, I live in a small community, we have one district
[01:07:55.120 --> 01:08:01.120]  court for three counties and Fort Worth, they got about 10 district courts.
[01:08:01.120 --> 01:08:06.880]  And they rotate out on which district court has a grand jury.
[01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.760]  So if you have more than one district court, you want to find out which one had that grand
[01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:13.760]  jury.
[01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:19.360]  And then you want to look at how the grand jury was picked.
[01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:25.640]  You want to want the names of all the grand jurors, that's going to make them real unhappy.
[01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:33.960]  And you want to look at a Frank's hearing to see if you can, you may not call it, they
[01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:40.160]  may not call it a Frank's hearing, but you want to hold a hearing to test the grand jurors,
[01:08:40.160 --> 01:08:45.200]  to test the information that was given to the grand jurors.
[01:08:45.200 --> 01:08:49.320]  When they say they don't want to release the transcripts, then you subpoena all the grand
[01:08:49.320 --> 01:08:53.040]  jurors.
[01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:55.840]  That'll make them real unhappy.
[01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:56.840]  Okay.
[01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:57.840]  Okay.
[01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:01.440]  So let us know how that goes.
[01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:06.280]  Well, I was curious that since I've already been found guilty and gone to prison and I've
[01:09:06.280 --> 01:09:11.240]  completed parole, I'm off parole and the appeals court gives me a new court.
[01:09:11.240 --> 01:09:15.600]  If I walk in there and lose, what could happen?
[01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:16.600]  You're done.
[01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:17.600]  Okay.
[01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.200]  I won't go back to jail.
[01:09:19.200 --> 01:09:21.320]  You already served your time.
[01:09:21.320 --> 01:09:24.040]  I've already served that time, so that trial is for me.
[01:09:24.040 --> 01:09:25.040]  Yes.
[01:09:25.040 --> 01:09:28.320]  It's like a free spin on Wheel of Fortune.
[01:09:28.320 --> 01:09:29.600]  That's like a free spin.
[01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:30.600]  Okay.
[01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:31.600]  I'm not going to blow it.
[01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:32.600]  I'll call you next week.
[01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:33.600]  Over and out.
[01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.600]  Thank you.
[01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:35.600]  Okay, thank you.
[01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:36.600]  All right.
[01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.640]  Now we're going to go to Jim in Ohio.
[01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:39.640]  Hello, Jim.
[01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.120]  What do you have for us today?
[01:09:43.120 --> 01:09:46.520]  Well, it's what you have for me, I hope.
[01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:53.640]  Back several years ago, you talked about a case called Kennedy v. State of Georgia.
[01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:57.640]  You call it?
[01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:03.840]  Problem is a slip since then, but yes, it's vaguely familiar.
[01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:09.960]  The gist of the wording was that if a public official, to guard against conflict of interest,
[01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:15.080]  if a public official brings a cause, it can't be heard in the jurisdiction where...
[01:10:15.080 --> 01:10:16.080]  Wait.
[01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:17.080]  I'm sorry.
[01:10:17.080 --> 01:10:19.800]  Caller, we can hardly understand you at all.
[01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.480]  It sounds like you're underwater.
[01:10:22.480 --> 01:10:28.040]  Can you please get off the speakerphone or whatever is going on over there?
[01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:29.040]  Just a second here.
[01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:30.040]  Yeah.
[01:10:30.040 --> 01:10:33.560]  The call screener, I'm sure, told you we cannot have speakerphones on the air.
[01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:38.840]  I mean, folks are welcome to listen on their speakerphone while they're waiting to get
[01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.880]  on the air because I understand sometimes it's a long wait because we do everything
[01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.000]  we can to help people in as much detail as possible.
[01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.600]  Folks, please, once you get on the air, you've got to take it off the speakerphone.
[01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:50.600]  It is not a speakerphone.
[01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:51.600]  It's better.
[01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:52.600]  Not really.
[01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:53.600]  How are you calling in?
[01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:54.600]  I got an earpiece in my phone.
[01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:55.600]  Let me take the earpiece.
[01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:56.600]  Yeah.
[01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:57.600]  No, you can't use a Bluetooth.
[01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:58.600]  You can't use a Bluetooth.
[01:10:58.600 --> 01:10:59.600]  It's not a Bluetooth.
[01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:00.600]  Okay.
[01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:01.600]  Yeah.
[01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:02.600]  If you could just use the regular handset, please.
[01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:03.600]  Yeah.
[01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:04.600]  Hold on.
[01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:05.600]  Okay.
[01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:06.600]  Great.
[01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:07.600]  All right.
[01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:08.600]  Better?
[01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:09.600]  Slightly.
[01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:10.600]  Not really.
[01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:11.600]  It sounds like maybe you're in a room.
[01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:17.920]  It sounds like maybe you're in a real echoey room or something.
[01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:18.920]  I'm second tier.
[01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.920]  I'm not a contract phone, so that's probably what it is.
[01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:22.920]  Okay.
[01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:23.920]  All right.
[01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:25.920]  Just try to speak clearly into the mic, if you would, please.
[01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:26.920]  All right.
[01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:27.920]  Okay.
[01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:28.920]  Thank you.
[01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:35.680]  Did you get any of that about Kennedy versus the state of Georgia, Randy?
[01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.080]  About you're talking conflict of interest.
[01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:39.080]  Yeah.
[01:11:39.080 --> 01:11:45.400]  So it's about conflict of interest to guard against conflict of interest that if a public
[01:11:45.400 --> 01:11:50.840]  official brings the cause, it can't be heard in the jurisdiction where they serve.
[01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:52.840]  That was the gist of it, as I recall.
[01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:58.400]  I was hoping to get the numbering of it to pull it up and read more of the case.
[01:11:58.400 --> 01:12:03.000]  I will look for, okay, it's Kennedy v. State?
[01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:04.000]  Yeah.
[01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.000]  Kennedy v. State of Georgia.
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:13.880]  There is a Kennedy v. State that goes to a, oh, what was it, I think it was a traffic
[01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:14.880]  issue.
[01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:16.600]  Kennedy v. State, I really know.
[01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:25.000]  That one is a major case, but I forgot exactly what it was to, but I don't think that one's
[01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:29.920]  out of Georgia and it wasn't about disqualification.
[01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:35.080]  I hate it when I lose that.
[01:12:35.080 --> 01:12:41.400]  I should remember all of these 10,000 cases, but Kennedy v. State was a large one.
[01:12:41.400 --> 01:12:45.520]  I think it had to do with stopping risk.
[01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:46.520]  So that's not the one.
[01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:52.320]  I will look through my folders.
[01:12:52.320 --> 01:12:59.000]  I keep a huge research folder and I'll look for Kennedy State, Georgia disqualification.
[01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:00.000]  Okay.
[01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:06.760]  So what are you, are you trying to disqualify a judge?
[01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:15.920]  No, I'm trying to go on the idea that the government always creates a conflict if they
[01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:18.920]  are the plaintiff.
[01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:28.360]  I've heard that argument before, but the argument has been adjudicated and the court said that
[01:13:28.360 --> 01:13:33.040]  if all are disqualified, none are disqualified.
[01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:38.600]  So when you make an argument that says everybody's necessarily disqualified, the courts have always
[01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.640]  held that in that case, nobody's disqualified.
[01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:45.160]  I don't think you'll beat that argument.
[01:13:45.160 --> 01:13:46.160]  Okay.
[01:13:46.160 --> 01:13:47.160]  Yeah.
[01:13:47.160 --> 01:13:48.160]  Okay.
[01:13:48.160 --> 01:13:49.160]  Is that all you have?
[01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:50.160]  Yeah, that's all I have.
[01:13:50.160 --> 01:14:02.120]  If you didn't find anything, maybe I can give Deb my email and you could send it to me.
[01:14:02.120 --> 01:14:03.120]  Yeah.
[01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:10.640]  Just email me, Randy at Rue La Radio and that way it'll remind me and I'll see if I can
[01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:11.640]  find it.
[01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:12.640]  Wonderful.
[01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:13.640]  Good talk to you.
[01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:14.640]  Okay.
[01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:15.640]  Thank you.
[01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:16.640]  Okay.
[01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:22.000]  Now we're going to go to Terry in Michigan.
[01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:23.000]  Hello, Terry.
[01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:24.000]  Hi, Randy.
[01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:25.000]  Good.
[01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:26.000]  You're back.
[01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.000]  Yes, I'm back.
[01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:32.000]  I have another question for you.
[01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:37.000]  I want to find out how to file an appeal.
[01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:44.160]  We started a little bit of a club where we've been listening to the radio program and trying
[01:14:44.160 --> 01:14:49.000]  to work together on dealing with things.
[01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:57.040]  One of the people that's in the club here, they had a case in the district court and
[01:14:57.040 --> 01:15:00.640]  it was a traffic deal.
[01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:10.120]  What we did ahead of time is he filed a pleading because he had a trial coming up and he filed
[01:15:10.120 --> 01:15:18.600]  a pleading and he marked it down as its special appearance and he did it in writing and he
[01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:24.200]  challenged subject matter jurisdiction and he also demanded a jury trial.
[01:15:24.200 --> 01:15:32.800]  Well, when we got into the courtroom, the judge addressed the jury trial thing and said,
[01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:38.880]  this is a civil matter so you don't get a jury trial and didn't mention the subject
[01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:46.360]  matter jurisdiction at all and they went through and unfortunately he got kind of nervous and
[01:15:46.360 --> 01:15:57.600]  didn't really go about it as good as he did in rehearsal and that, but he did during the
[01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:06.400]  trial bring up that he's challenging jurisdiction and the judge still just plain ignored it
[01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:10.200]  and pretended like it never even happened and they went through the whole trial and
[01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:15.160]  everything and it was a thing like I said, it was traffic and because he had no license
[01:16:15.160 --> 01:16:20.760]  plate on the car and they said he had a loud muffler, they found him guilty and fined him
[01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:26.480]  and he still again challenged jurisdiction and they said, yeah, well, you got to pay
[01:16:26.480 --> 01:16:32.520]  this fine and you got 30 days to pay it and blah, blah, blah, but never did address the
[01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:39.600]  jurisdiction. Okay, we're about to go to break. When we come back from break, I'm going to
[01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:45.560]  talk about subject matter jurisdiction and a problem that the judge has. You may like
[01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:51.400]  this. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens. We will go to our radio, our call in number
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[01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:39.120]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Terry
[01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:48.720]  in Michigan. What were we talking about, Terry? I was talking on the break. I lost the thread.
[01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:54.360]  Well, the main justice is- Oh, wait, I got it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's such a
[01:19:54.360 --> 01:19:59.680]  subject matter jurisdiction. I lost the thread because I was pulling up some documentation.
[01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:05.360]  Here's the deal. A challenge subject matter jurisdiction is always timely. Subject matter
[01:20:05.360 --> 01:20:10.880]  jurisdiction cannot be waived and it may be raised at any point in the proceeding. Alfonso
[01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:16.640]  Lee Stanton. Subject matter jurisdiction cannot be waived, can be raised anytime, University
[01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:20.720]  of Texas, because the trial court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to enter the custody of
[01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:25.840]  a Java. Okay.
[01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:32.080]  Jurisdiction is challenged. The court cannot proceed when it clearly appears the court
[01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:38.520]  lacks jurisdiction. The court has no authority to reach the merits, but rather should dismiss
[01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:52.280]  the action, NELO VUS. NELO VUS is a major seminal case. Okay. Once subject matter- I'm
[01:20:52.280 --> 01:20:59.920]  looking for the one that says that once subject matter jurisdiction is challenged, subject
[01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:06.600]  matter jurisdiction is lost. Let me just read through a few more of these cases in line.
[01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:12.240]  Subject matter jurisdiction is an essential part of the authority of a court to decide
[01:21:12.240 --> 01:21:21.120]  a case and it is never to be presumed and cannot be waived. The reviewing court determines
[01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:32.560]  whether subject matter jurisdiction exists as a question of law subject to de novo review.
[01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:43.800]  There is no discretion to ignore lack of jurisdiction. The burden shifts to the court to prove jurisdiction.
[01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:51.360]  Once subject matter jurisdiction is challenged, essentially subject matter jurisdiction is
[01:21:51.360 --> 01:22:01.000]  lost and the court no longer has jurisdiction until the court proves jurisdiction. That's
[01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:07.760]  what this would mean. The burden shifts to the court to prove jurisdiction, not the other
[01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:24.080]  party, but the court. We had a case in Austin, a credit card case. The pleading that was
[01:22:24.080 --> 01:22:30.760]  filed was insufficient. We filed a challenge of subject matter jurisdiction. The client
[01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:36.680]  got into the court and the judge came in and he said, well, your honor, what are you doing
[01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:47.400]  here? You can't be here. We sued you. What? What? We sued him for impersonating a public
[01:22:47.400 --> 01:22:55.240]  official because he didn't have subject matter jurisdiction. And he said, well, it's not
[01:22:55.240 --> 01:23:00.360]  my place to determine jurisdiction. You have to do that. And he said, well, with all due
[01:23:00.360 --> 01:23:06.720]  respect, your honor, before you send me this subpoena and tell me I have to come down here
[01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:12.040]  to your court and you're going to do these awful things, you need to make sure you have
[01:23:12.040 --> 01:23:21.000]  the power to exert that authority. So the judge got the county attorney to file his
[01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:30.080]  answer for him. So he sued the county attorney for misappropriation of public funds. Because
[01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:36.440]  when you sue for subject matter jurisdiction, when you sue a official for acting without
[01:23:36.440 --> 01:23:45.120]  subject matter jurisdiction, you sue the person in his personal capacity. Because the whole
[01:23:45.120 --> 01:23:51.960]  point is that he didn't have any other capacity. That's the point of subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:23:51.960 --> 01:24:03.440]  Excuse me. So if you have a judge here who ignored a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:24:03.440 --> 01:24:09.960]  then you should have this guy, talk to this guy and have him sue the judge.
[01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:17.760]  Well, we're looking at different things, but it gets even deeper than that because he originally,
[01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:23.800]  this is the second time that he had gotten taken into the courts for not having a license
[01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:29.360]  plate. The first time it was for an expired plate. And he went in and challenged jurisdiction
[01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:36.560]  and that prosecutor dropped it as soon as he challenged jurisdiction. And then when
[01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:42.920]  the second time happened, it was for no plate. And he ended up with the same prosecutor and
[01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:47.760]  she said to him, well, you know what, I let you go once, but I'm going to have to take
[01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:53.040]  you to trial this time. And when he did originally, it was all verbal. Well, now we did it all
[01:24:53.040 --> 01:24:59.600]  with paperwork. And at the same time that she proceeded, he filed two bar grievances
[01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:05.440]  against her for operating outside of jurisdiction when jurisdiction was challenged.
[01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:15.040]  Wait a minute. There's another one. Go to legalearth.net. My bar grievance site's down,
[01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:26.240]  but I've got the question, see the standards up on legalearth.net. There'll be three maps
[01:25:26.240 --> 01:25:31.360]  on the front pages. This is the one all the way to the right is the American Bar Association
[01:25:31.360 --> 01:25:38.520]  Model Standards. Click that one. And when you click the map, at the bottom of the map,
[01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:46.040]  is a blue square with an arrow sticking up from it. Click on that. It'll pop up a menu
[01:25:46.040 --> 01:25:52.080]  item to maximize the page. It'll open it full page. Look on the left-hand side. The right-hand
[01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:59.360]  side are the American Bar Association Model Standards. The left-hand side, American Bar
[01:25:59.360 --> 01:26:08.800]  Association Standards for the prosecutorial function. It was the duty of the prosecutor
[01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:15.360]  to notify the judge that he was acting improperly when he did not hear the challenge of subject
[01:26:15.360 --> 01:26:22.320]  matter jurisdiction. So when you sue, sue the prosecutor as well in their personal capacity.
[01:26:22.320 --> 01:26:28.440]  Okay. Well, but this is the thing. We know that it stung the prosecutor because when
[01:26:28.440 --> 01:26:34.160]  we got into court there, while we were in the courthouse waiting to go in, we saw that
[01:26:34.160 --> 01:26:39.040]  prosecutor in the courthouse walking around, going into different courtrooms and stuff
[01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:45.240]  like that. But when we got into the courtroom for the trial, there was a different prosecutor
[01:26:45.240 --> 01:26:51.360]  in there. So we know that she said, hey, I don't want to deal with this guy. I'm going
[01:26:51.360 --> 01:27:02.480]  to pass it off to you. And anyway, so he did it in writing originally and we have a stamp
[01:27:02.480 --> 01:27:10.560]  signed receipt from the clerk that it was filed. And again, he did it in the courtroom
[01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:18.280]  twice. And so right now we're waiting on getting the transcripts back. This happened on Tuesday.
[01:27:18.280 --> 01:27:24.960]  And so we're going to do that and then also get all of the information that's in the file
[01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:34.200]  on that. And what my biggest question is right now is how do we go about filing an appeal?
[01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:39.800]  This was in a district court and we want to appeal the findings that they had.
[01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:45.640]  Okay. First thing you have to do is file a notice of appeal in the local court.
[01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.040]  Okay. And you only have a short time to do that.
[01:27:49.040 --> 01:27:54.120]  You only have seven to 10 days. And all that is, is I hereby give notice of my intent to
[01:27:54.120 --> 01:28:04.920]  appeal. And did he file a petition for inability to pay?
[01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:10.280]  Okay. No, did he file one?
[01:28:10.280 --> 01:28:16.880]  He hasn't filed anything yet. Okay. When you appeal, they generally want to
[01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:22.080]  charge you for the appeal twice as much as the original fine. I know they do that here
[01:28:22.080 --> 01:28:25.080]  in Texas just to keep people from appealing. Okay.
[01:28:25.080 --> 01:28:33.880]  So they may do that, but this may be worth it. And then in most states have a requirement
[01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:43.320]  that before you sue a county or a governmental agency in the state that you give them notice
[01:28:43.320 --> 01:28:49.880]  and give them 60 days to make you whole. So you send them a tort letter.
[01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:55.560]  So you send the judge and the prosecutor a tort letter notifying them that you were terribly
[01:28:55.560 --> 01:29:01.520]  harmed, that you were denied in due process, in your due process rights. Due process is
[01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:06.440]  harm per se. When the judge acted without subject matter
[01:29:06.440 --> 01:29:14.160]  jurisdiction and the prosecutor subsequently was without subject matter jurisdiction and
[01:29:14.160 --> 01:29:20.280]  accused the prosecutor specifically of not giving notice to the court that it did not
[01:29:20.280 --> 01:29:27.920]  hear the subject matter jurisdiction challenge. Read those bar association standards for
[01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:33.320]  the prosecutorial function. You got lots of stuff to hammer them with.
[01:29:33.320 --> 01:29:40.400]  You send them both a tort letter and then you sue them both personally. They had no
[01:29:40.400 --> 01:29:44.600]  official capacity to cover them with. That's the only time you can sue a judge is when
[01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:49.920]  he acts without subject matter jurisdiction. Hang on. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens,
[01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:58.680]  TV of Law Radio, our call in number, 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:33:08.080 --> 01:33:16.200]  LogosRadioNetwork.com. Yeah, who you want to tip? Who you take me for? Free Tony? Why
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[01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:40.040]  Wheel of Life Radio, and we're talking to Terry in Michigan. Frankly, I think this is
[01:33:40.040 --> 01:33:48.080]  great that you got a group of people together and you're working on how to do this. And
[01:33:48.080 --> 01:33:55.440]  it kind of leads to something that I wanted to talk about, something Joe brought up last
[01:33:55.440 --> 01:34:05.440]  Friday about you have to make the right arguments. Well, I wanted to be a little more general
[01:34:05.440 --> 01:34:13.360]  in that there are a few things you should always keep in your mind. When you go to court,
[01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:20.240]  the first one is that the courts are corrupt. They are absolutely, totally corrupt. And
[01:34:20.240 --> 01:34:24.600]  you can expect the trial court to rule against you out of hand at every turn, no matter what
[01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:31.640]  you do. Expect it. It goes to the adage, never ask the public official to do anything you
[01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:39.600]  actually want him to do. And the way you handle that is you never ask the judge to do anything
[01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:46.440]  that he's not specifically required to do. Only when he doesn't, you get to hammer him.
[01:34:46.440 --> 01:34:54.840]  And when you go to a trial court, always keep in mind your only purpose in the trial court
[01:34:54.840 --> 01:35:06.440]  is to set the record for appeal. That's where the action is. The trial court is not so concerned
[01:35:06.440 --> 01:35:13.760]  with the corporate jurors, the body of law. The appeals court is very concerned with the
[01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:21.520]  corporate jurors. In this case, if it's a traffic, you most likely go to a county court
[01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:28.880]  that won't actually be a court that will set precedent, but you can appeal his decision
[01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:37.200]  to an actual appeals court. And the appeals court really don't care how much money the
[01:35:37.200 --> 01:35:45.060]  city makes writing tickets, not their concern. Their concern is, is that the body of law
[01:35:45.060 --> 01:35:54.820]  is stable and consistent. That's where you always are working to get to. If you want
[01:35:54.820 --> 01:36:03.480]  to win your case, if you go into the trial court and you are merely setting the record
[01:36:03.480 --> 01:36:11.800]  for appeal, they'll figure it out pretty quick because you don't react and respond the way
[01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:19.280]  that most of the people coming into the trial court expecting to find justice there act.
[01:36:19.280 --> 01:36:25.920]  You don't feel mistreated. You don't get the struts knocked out from under you. You
[01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:32.720]  said that the person didn't handle the, the himself in the court as well as he did in
[01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:43.200]  practice. Let's talk about that a second. You go to a government mandated school system
[01:36:43.200 --> 01:36:51.080]  for 12 years during the most formative period of your life. And in this school system, you
[01:36:51.080 --> 01:36:56.760]  were told about the great and wonderful country we live in and all of these great and wonderful
[01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:07.560]  rights that we have. However, they make it very clear while you're in this school, don't
[01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:12.520]  even think about trying to exercise one of those rights by the whole way to the system
[01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:20.080]  on a land right square on your head. Well, you get out of school and then you don't have
[01:37:20.080 --> 01:37:27.240]  any more interaction with public officials. You go out into the real world and you do
[01:37:27.240 --> 01:37:33.320]  what you do. And then five, 10, 15 years later, you get a ticket or maybe two years, three
[01:37:33.320 --> 01:37:39.840]  years later, you get a ticket and you haven't dealt with these people in quite a while.
[01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:46.520]  So how do you deal with public officials? I know, you know, you've heard people that
[01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:52.840]  flown airplanes and then haven't flown for 30 years. I got in an airplane. I hadn't flown
[01:37:52.840 --> 01:38:01.640]  in 30 years. Piece of cake. Came right back. What we learn and don't use, it comes back
[01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:08.080]  quickly. We learned in grade school how to deal with public officials. When you go before
[01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:19.960]  the court, you access a set of behavioral responses. Problem is, is we learned those
[01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:27.000]  in grade school and high school. They're not appropriate here. That's why when you step
[01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:34.680]  up in front of that judge, you draw up your old behavioral responses that you developed
[01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:41.600]  in learning how to deal with public officials. And now you draw up the response that you
[01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:49.960]  have when you're called before the principal. So what I'm suggesting that we do and most
[01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:59.120]  all of what we do here is about that. Instead of thinking of yourself as being called before
[01:38:59.120 --> 01:39:10.880]  this judge or prosecutor, keep in mind they are public officials, public servants. They
[01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:19.800]  are the servants. You are the master. Never, ever forget that. The master calls on his
[01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:25.480]  servants to perform their duties. Now I want my service to perform their duty, even if
[01:39:25.480 --> 01:39:33.360]  it means they give me a ticket. If it's their job, do your job. I don't need any favor or
[01:39:33.360 --> 01:39:39.460]  pass from you. You do your job and I won't have a problem. When I come into the court,
[01:39:39.460 --> 01:39:46.760]  I'm here to ensure everybody does their job. When you walk into a courtroom, you are the
[01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:55.840]  baddest motor scooter in the building. And it's not because you're a judge or a prosecutor
[01:39:55.840 --> 01:40:03.760]  or you don't carry a gun. You don't have the authority of the court. You have the authority
[01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:12.720]  of the master. They're the servants, you're the master. If you can juxtapose that feeling
[01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:19.400]  of being the child brought before the principal with being the parent going to the principal
[01:40:19.400 --> 01:40:26.360]  wanting to know what in the heck are you doing to my children? That a whole different response
[01:40:26.360 --> 01:40:37.520]  set and it changes everything. And understand, you're only there to set the record. You don't
[01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:41.680]  care if they got an attitude. You don't care if they're upset. A judge starts to chew me
[01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:46.120]  out. I stop it. Your honor, if you have an emotional problem, you're going to have to
[01:40:46.120 --> 01:40:52.280]  leave that at home. I'm here to put my facts beyond the record and rest of that you can
[01:40:52.280 --> 01:40:59.680]  take home to your wife and kids. Don't bring it to me. Okay, with that said, then never
[01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:09.200]  make a proactive statement of law out of your own mouth. You must always bring law and facts
[01:41:09.200 --> 01:41:19.080]  to the court. Law is quoted out of the statute or the case law. Facts are hard or they're
[01:41:19.080 --> 01:41:26.560]  affidavit. If a fact is not something you can hold up and show to the judge like a physical
[01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:35.040]  document, then turn it into a physical document by swearing to it in an affidavit. Present
[01:41:35.040 --> 01:41:40.880]  that to the court, get your facts on the record. That's all you're there to do. So never make
[01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:44.720]  a proactive statement out of your own mouth. You can give the judge the most convincing
[01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:51.640]  arguments and the most compelling reasons as to why he should dismiss this case. I mean,
[01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:57.880]  he can agree with you, but if you haven't given facts in law, he has no power to ruin
[01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:01.480]  your favor. Terry, am I making sense?
[01:42:01.480 --> 01:42:07.640]  Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Although I didn't want to mention one other thing, even
[01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:14.440]  though I said that it didn't go as it went in practice, this was his first time. And
[01:42:14.440 --> 01:42:18.080]  I got to tell you, we're all really proud of him. He did a really good job. Even though
[01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:23.480]  he got really nervous because the judge freaked out, started yelling at him and stuff, and
[01:42:23.480 --> 01:42:30.120]  he all of a sudden lost his composure and was having a hard time for a few, but he still
[01:42:30.120 --> 01:42:33.240]  got the important things in and he didn't...
[01:42:33.240 --> 01:42:39.120]  I actually know who you're talking about. He's called in the show before and I am proud
[01:42:39.120 --> 01:42:46.040]  of him. I'm proud of him mainly for fighting this thing. And I didn't mean to imply that
[01:42:46.040 --> 01:42:52.280]  I thought he lost it. It's real subtle what they do. These guys know how to poke your
[01:42:52.280 --> 01:42:59.760]  buttons. A judge starts yelling at me, I'm going to ask him to get out off the bench.
[01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:05.040]  Call up the bailiff. Mr. Bailiff, if this judge can't control himself, you get him off
[01:43:05.040 --> 01:43:11.200]  that bench. Watch the judge then.
[01:43:11.200 --> 01:43:19.940]  So if you help him switch his state of mind when he goes in, it'll make this a lot better.
[01:43:19.940 --> 01:43:27.200]  We want these guys to go in and hammer these judges. My primary study of psychology is
[01:43:27.200 --> 01:43:34.560]  not law. And we're about to go to break, but when we come back, I want to talk about...
[01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:42.880]  This prescription, it's about reverse psychology. And I'll explain why when we come back. The
[01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:48.880]  very things they use to make you crazy, you get to use it to make them crazy. Hang on,
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[01:46:23.320 --> 01:46:32.720]  Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Terry Michigan. If you can shift this gear
[01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:45.920]  and go in there from the perspective of the master lording over his servants, what that
[01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:57.320]  does is cause you to automatically react and respond from a different behavioral set. The
[01:46:57.320 --> 01:47:02.360]  prosecutors and judges in traffic issues are very accustomed to people coming in there
[01:47:02.360 --> 01:47:08.640]  and acting like children. That's because that's the behavior set they bring with them. They
[01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:18.920]  know how to predict behavior and how to elicit behavior. When you switch gears and change
[01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:26.840]  your mental frame of reference, it screws up everything for them because the buttons
[01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:33.640]  they're used to pushing get totally different reactions than the ones they would get from,
[01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:43.640]  say, a 10th grader or someone with a 10th grade response set. If they come in with an
[01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:50.160]  apparent response set, everything changes. The last ticket I had, I went to court the
[01:47:50.160 --> 01:47:55.160]  first day, they called us down there, and they actually had a judge there. They called
[01:47:55.160 --> 01:48:00.360]  me up and I wanted him to hold an examining trial. No, Mr. Kelton, I'm not going to hold
[01:48:00.360 --> 01:48:05.120]  an examining trial. Well, in that case, I want you to get the bailiffs to come over
[01:48:05.120 --> 01:48:10.800]  here and arrest you for not holding an examining trial. No, Mr. Kelton, I'm not going to have
[01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:17.320]  the bailiff arrest me for not holding an examining trial. Well, then I want the prosecutor to
[01:48:17.320 --> 01:48:21.440]  come over here and tell you you have to hold an examining trial. Prosecutor said, I am
[01:48:21.440 --> 01:48:26.880]  not saying anything. I said, come on, man, get your chicken suit off and come up here
[01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:29.480]  and tell this judge what he's supposed to do. They said, no, we're not going to hold
[01:48:29.480 --> 01:48:35.720]  an examining trial. So he wanted me to enter a plea and I wouldn't enter a plea. I'm not
[01:48:35.720 --> 01:48:38.920]  going to enter a plea. He said, bring it on. I'm going to challenge your subject matter
[01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:44.920]  jurisdiction. So I'm here at Arms Link to the court. So they just entered a plea for
[01:48:44.920 --> 01:48:53.920]  me. They called me back to it for a jury trial. And before it starts, I gave the prosecutor
[01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:59.160]  a challenge subject matter jurisdiction and joking and laughing with him, I said, this
[01:48:59.160 --> 01:49:03.160]  is going to be so much fun, but you might as well dismiss that jury. There's no way
[01:49:03.160 --> 01:49:07.600]  you're going to get to it because I'm here at Arms Link to the court. Even if the judge
[01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:15.000]  denies my motion, since I'm here at Arms Link, I can't participate in the jury trial
[01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:16.000]  anyway.
[01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:24.920]  And I had put in some information requests that they hadn't responded to. I got a real
[01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:29.600]  kick out of it. They gave me a stupid response and I thought that was a real hoot at the
[01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:35.720]  dumb response they gave me. And I told the prosecutor that. And clearly he's looking
[01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:42.320]  at me and thinking, what is going on here? This guy really has got something up his sleeve
[01:49:42.320 --> 01:49:50.600]  that we don't know about because he is not reacting and responding right. So we get in
[01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:55.600]  the courtroom, they call my name. The judge said, is the prosecution ready? No, your honor,
[01:49:55.600 --> 01:50:02.820]  the prosecution is not ready. Case dismissed. You can leave Mr. Kelton. But your honor,
[01:50:02.820 --> 01:50:11.000]  we were just about to get to the good part. No, you're not Mr. Kelton. But see, nothing
[01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:18.080]  was working right. And they were all uncomfortable because this ain't working like it's supposed
[01:50:18.080 --> 01:50:20.960]  to. Does that make sense, Terry?
[01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:27.840]  Yeah, yeah, makes good sense. I do have a couple more questions.
[01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:28.840]  Okay.
[01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:39.320]  In order to give them notice of appeal, do we just take in, I mean, does it need any
[01:50:39.320 --> 01:50:42.840]  kind of a special form or anything like that?
[01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:50.440]  It has to say, I hereby notice the court of my intent to appeal. That's it. That's all
[01:50:50.440 --> 01:51:00.320]  it is. Nothing else. You put the standard court heading format on it. And you got the
[01:51:00.320 --> 01:51:06.640]  little heading up there, so and so versus state or so and so versus city, whatever it
[01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:13.200]  is, it's generally so and so versus state. And in this title section, you put notice
[01:51:13.200 --> 01:51:18.440]  of appeal and in the body, all it says is, I hereby give the court notice of my intent
[01:51:18.440 --> 01:51:21.440]  to appeal. Sign it, give it to them.
[01:51:21.440 --> 01:51:24.560]  Okay, same as what we've been doing. All right.
[01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:33.120]  Yeah, that's correct. Now, you go to, when you, the appeal, you may, okay, this is a
[01:51:33.120 --> 01:51:38.040]  trial de novo because it's traffic, right?
[01:51:38.040 --> 01:51:39.040]  Correct.
[01:51:39.040 --> 01:51:48.280]  Okay. Let me explain trial de novo. The prosecutor wants trial de novo to mean that the first
[01:51:48.280 --> 01:51:55.960]  trial didn't happen. We treat this trial like the first trial didn't happen. No, no, no.
[01:51:55.960 --> 01:52:03.240]  That's not what trial de novo is. It is trial de novo for the purpose of perfecting your
[01:52:03.240 --> 01:52:11.880]  appeal. Now, if they have said something stupid in the first one, you can bring it into the
[01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:19.800]  second one. I had a prosecutor object to that very thing. Your honor, I object. Mr. Kelton
[01:52:19.800 --> 01:52:24.600]  can't bring anything in that occurred in the first trial as this is trial de novo.
[01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:30.120]  Said, your honor, this is trial de novo for perfecting appeal, not for covering them for
[01:52:30.120 --> 01:52:40.280]  stupid stuff. They said, Mr. Kelton, you are right, but I would have rather you frame that
[01:52:40.280 --> 01:52:48.920]  a little differently. And he denied her motion because the officer had lied in the original
[01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:57.960]  trial and I had backed him into a corner and he admitted it. So on appeal, I brought up
[01:52:57.960 --> 01:53:05.960]  the fact that he lied to the court and they objected, but they had to let it in because
[01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:13.440]  trial de novo doesn't mean that the first trial didn't happen. Okay. Do you know how
[01:53:13.440 --> 01:53:14.920]  to do the appeal?
[01:53:14.920 --> 01:53:17.640]  No, that was my big question.
[01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:28.320]  Okay. This one will just be, I suggest that you put together all your documentation, get
[01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:37.400]  all of your facts in affidavit format and then you make a statement of facts and ask
[01:53:37.400 --> 01:53:44.000]  the judge to take judicial notice of the facts. And then you present to the case, the way
[01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:49.560]  I do it is I have a statement of the case. Basically, this is what the case is about
[01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:54.600]  and then I do a statement of facts and then I do a statement of factual accusation where
[01:53:54.600 --> 01:54:01.400]  you take the facts and apply the law to the facts and show how the court is compelled
[01:54:01.400 --> 01:54:07.360]  to come to this conclusion. And on challenge subject matter jurisdiction, that's the only
[01:54:07.360 --> 01:54:14.640]  issue before the court. Initially, you go in with a challenge subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:54:14.640 --> 01:54:16.520]  That has to be heard first.
[01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:24.040]  Right. That part, I think we've got that down, but my big question is how do I find out where
[01:54:24.040 --> 01:54:28.000]  to go and who to file it with?
[01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:35.280]  Oh, that'll be filed in the county court. You just ask the court you're appealing from,
[01:54:35.280 --> 01:54:42.160]  which court? I'm sure it goes to the county. What are the courts in Michigan? They may
[01:54:42.160 --> 01:54:50.640]  be styled different. What's the lowest court above the inferior courts? JP municipal.
[01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:51.640]  Okay.
[01:54:51.640 --> 01:54:57.360]  What's the court above it? I think it's district in Michigan, isn't it?
[01:54:57.360 --> 01:55:03.600]  This was in the district court. So we got to go one court above the district court.
[01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:07.760]  Whatever that is, I don't know how they set up. They set up different, different places
[01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:16.320]  in New York. The Supreme court is the lowest level court. Now, is that confusing or what?
[01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:17.320]  Yeah.
[01:55:17.320 --> 01:55:26.000]  Okay. So it'll be the next court above, but the clerk for the court you were in can tell
[01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:31.800]  you where it's going to go to. But this one needs to be, you need to have an affidavit
[01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:40.200]  of fact, needs to be verified and a request for all the law that you're going to include
[01:55:40.200 --> 01:55:45.340]  in your arguments. You create a document, you list all those, all those statutes and
[01:55:45.340 --> 01:55:55.840]  cases and put on it statement of facts or a request for a judicial notice. You do a
[01:55:55.840 --> 01:56:01.240]  statement of facts for the facts, request for judicial notice for the law. Now you've
[01:56:01.240 --> 01:56:08.280]  got them all before the court. You don't care what they do because you got your facts and
[01:56:08.280 --> 01:56:14.240]  your law before the court. Then you make your argument. Once you're in, once you're in the
[01:56:14.240 --> 01:56:21.600]  actual appeals court, you can't bring issues you didn't argue in the original court. Then
[01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:29.080]  you appeal based on error. So you have to have all your facts and arguments in the case
[01:56:29.080 --> 01:56:35.880]  in the record to bring it to the appeals court. And that's all you care about here.
[01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:41.400]  That's what I kept telling them. Everything you're doing here is for the appeal, nothing
[01:56:41.400 --> 01:56:46.960]  else. So get everything on the record and it doesn't matter what happens here. Just
[01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:48.840]  get it on the record.
[01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:55.360]  Absolutely. And they will, and the other side will understand that. It's always nice when
[01:56:55.360 --> 01:57:01.400]  they, about halfway through, they figure it out. See, this guy's just walking us through
[01:57:01.400 --> 01:57:08.280]  the steps. They don't care what we do. And when you don't care what the judge does, it
[01:57:08.280 --> 01:57:16.680]  changes the way you react and respond to it dramatically. And they will tend not to want
[01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:19.640]  to deal with you, want it to go away.
[01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:26.320]  Another thing we were going to do is, you know, you're always talking about all politics
[01:57:26.320 --> 01:57:35.720]  is local or everything's politics and all politics is local. We were going to also file
[01:57:35.720 --> 01:57:41.600]  bar grievances and judicial misconduct against the judge. And the judge is up for reelection
[01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:43.560]  this year. So that ought to be fun.
[01:57:43.560 --> 01:57:48.200]  Oh, you might try criminal charges against him for impersonating a public official.
[01:57:48.200 --> 01:57:50.200]  Oh, yeah.
[01:57:50.200 --> 01:57:55.400]  Let him explain that one.
[01:57:55.400 --> 01:57:57.360]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:57:57.360 --> 01:58:03.000]  Because a subject matter jurisdiction, if he don't have it, he's not a judge.
[01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  Right.
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:09.800]  He's just some person sitting up there. I just filed the impersonating a public official
[01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:19.960]  against the JP for just exactly that, for not reading a challenge subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:23.360]  And I charged him with first degree felony aggravated assault because he sent guys out
[01:58:23.360 --> 01:58:30.000]  with guns to evict this woman out of her house when he was acting as no subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:35.120]  Okay. We are out of time. Thank you, Terry. And stay in touch. I'd like to hear more about
[01:58:35.120 --> 01:58:36.120]  your group.
[01:58:36.120 --> 01:58:38.120]  Yeah. Thank you so much. Surely.
[01:58:38.120 --> 01:58:42.840]  Okay. Okay. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Root of La Radio. We'll be back tomorrow night
[01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:50.760]  with our four hour info marathon. Thank you for listening and good night.
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