[00:00.000 --> 00:07.600] This is the Liberty Beat, your daily source for Liberty news and activist updates, online [00:07.600 --> 00:09.520] at thelibertybeat.com. [00:09.520 --> 00:14.520] I'm Brian Hagan with your Liberty Beat for Monday, March 24th, 2014. [00:14.520 --> 00:24.080] Gold opened today at $1,318, silver opened at $20.07, and Bitcoin is trading at $561.36. [00:24.080 --> 00:27.640] Support for the Liberty Beat comes from Bitmain Technology. [00:27.640 --> 00:32.360] Owners of the Antminer S1-180 GigaHash Bitcoin Miner. [00:32.360 --> 00:36.000] No pre-order, ships on time, and sometimes it's early. [00:36.000 --> 00:39.680] Buy yours today at bitmaintech.com. [00:39.680 --> 00:44.440] Support also comes from Affordable Sound, CD and DVD duplication, along with posters [00:44.440 --> 00:52.880] and promotions materials, online at affordablesound.com, or call them 512-459-5253. 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[03:39.200 --> 03:43.360] Grandpappy told my pappy back in my day, son, [03:43.360 --> 03:47.280] a man had to answer for the wicked that he'd done. [03:47.280 --> 03:50.880] He'd take all the rope in Texas by the tall old tree, [03:50.880 --> 03:56.880] round up all of them bad boys, hang them high in the street, [03:56.880 --> 04:01.280] for all the people to see. [04:01.280 --> 04:04.880] That justice is the one thing you should always find, [04:04.880 --> 04:09.200] you gotta saddle up your boys, you gotta draw a hard line. [04:09.200 --> 04:13.040] When the gun folks settles, we'll sing a victory tune, [04:13.040 --> 04:17.440] and we'll all be back at the local snow. [04:17.440 --> 04:22.240] We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing, [04:22.240 --> 04:30.400] Westgate for my men, beer for my horses. [04:30.400 --> 04:34.560] All right, folks, good evening. This is the Monday Night Rule of Law radio show. [04:34.560 --> 04:39.600] It is March 24th, 2014. We're going to be a little while before [04:39.600 --> 04:42.080] we start taking calls tonight. We're going to go through [04:42.080 --> 04:46.800] a role-playing scenario here. I've got my friend Johnny Ndingma on with me tonight. [04:46.800 --> 04:52.320] He is going to play our traffic cop for us, and I am going to go through [04:52.320 --> 04:56.320] a partial demonstration of how things are going to work in the courtroom [04:56.320 --> 04:59.680] when we start bringing up issues of these officers [04:59.680 --> 05:05.440] that have run your plate either via the automatic license plate reader, [05:05.440 --> 05:10.160] or by just arbitrarily picking a car out of traffic because they pulled up behind [05:10.160 --> 05:14.960] it and ran the number. Now, there's a problem with them doing [05:14.960 --> 05:19.360] this, and so I'm going to explain the issues with this, and [05:19.360 --> 05:23.040] Johnny, if you feel I'm missing something, feel free to chime in. [05:23.040 --> 05:26.480] But what we're going to get into on this is this. [05:26.480 --> 05:30.640] During this scenario, we're going to play out according to the way due process is [05:30.640 --> 05:35.440] supposed to work. Now, we have several issues in our favor [05:35.440 --> 05:42.080] here. The first one is that any information brought into a courtroom [05:42.080 --> 05:47.440] via a computer interface is automatically considered hearsay [05:47.440 --> 05:52.240] according to court rulings, which Johnny is all pretty much familiar with [05:52.240 --> 05:55.680] in that he's the one that provided me with a lot of the case law on it. [05:55.680 --> 06:01.760] But when an officer attempts to testify to computer-generated information, [06:01.760 --> 06:07.200] and that officer has zero knowledge as to the source of the information, the [06:07.200 --> 06:10.480] input method, the storage method, the retrieval method, [06:10.480 --> 06:14.400] or anything as to what the data is he will be getting [06:14.400 --> 06:18.400] back, in other words, no firsthand knowledge of any of it, [06:18.400 --> 06:22.160] then that information is strictly hearsay, and the officer [06:22.160 --> 06:26.800] cannot testify to it. Now, if I missed anything in that, Johnny, [06:26.800 --> 06:30.160] chime in. Did I? No, that's pretty accurate. If [06:30.160 --> 06:36.880] the data in a computer in any way relies on human input, [06:36.880 --> 06:40.640] then it is, regardless of the form in which it comes out of the [06:40.640 --> 06:44.320] computer, it is considered to be put into the [06:44.320 --> 06:47.440] computer by an out-of-court declarant, which makes it [06:47.440 --> 06:50.240] hearsay. If the data that comes out of the [06:50.240 --> 06:53.680] computer is the result of a computer's internal [06:53.680 --> 06:57.760] functions, such as counting records or, you know, [06:57.760 --> 07:01.760] you know, breathalyzer. An actual mathematical calculation of some sort? [07:01.760 --> 07:06.000] Correct. Then it is not hearsay. But if the human being put that [07:06.000 --> 07:09.600] data into the computer, then it is hearsay. Okay. [07:09.600 --> 07:13.120] Now, given that, the other part of the scenario is [07:13.120 --> 07:16.960] the data that's being accessed by that computer system [07:16.960 --> 07:23.840] is protected private data. No one is allowed to arbitrarily access [07:23.840 --> 07:27.760] that data that is in those protected databases [07:27.760 --> 07:34.080] without a justifiable reason. And in the case of law enforcement, [07:34.080 --> 07:41.200] I want to, or its policy is not a justifiable reason. [07:41.200 --> 07:46.400] In the case of law enforcement, they are only allowed to conduct an investigation [07:46.400 --> 07:52.320] if someone or themselves has seen or reported [07:52.320 --> 07:57.520] a criminal act. They have to have some sort of reasonable suspicion [07:57.520 --> 08:03.680] or probable cause to invoke coverage of their official duty. [08:03.680 --> 08:06.720] If they're doing something that doesn't involve [08:06.720 --> 08:09.920] an interaction with the public based upon law, [08:09.920 --> 08:14.640] then they're not allowed to be doing it. So when they arbitrarily [08:14.640 --> 08:18.960] enter this information from a license plate or via an automatic scan of these [08:18.960 --> 08:24.080] license plate readers and they access that data, this officer [08:24.080 --> 08:29.680] has not yet witnessed any criminal act that would give them reasonable [08:29.680 --> 08:34.080] suspicion or justifiable probable cause. Now, here's the other [08:34.080 --> 08:37.760] problem. Most of them will say during the course [08:37.760 --> 08:41.520] of questioning or whatever that it is the policy of their [08:41.520 --> 08:45.920] department to do this to see whether or not the owner of the car has any [08:45.920 --> 08:49.440] outstanding warrants or tickets or blah blah blah. [08:49.440 --> 08:53.680] The problem is, is they have no way of knowing if the person [08:53.680 --> 08:58.960] in the car is the owner. They have no way of knowing that when they run that [08:58.960 --> 09:03.440] information. So saying that they ran it to see if the [09:03.440 --> 09:08.560] owner had any warrants, that's completely [09:08.560 --> 09:11.840] fabricated method of creating probable cause. [09:11.840 --> 09:15.200] Because they had no way of knowing that the person behind the wheel [09:15.200 --> 09:21.760] was the owner. So that's not justifiable. In any common sense, [09:21.760 --> 09:26.240] real interpretation of the fourth and fifth amendments, [09:26.240 --> 09:30.080] you can't do those searches, you can't get information from that individual, you [09:30.080 --> 09:32.240] can't get them to provide you with information [09:32.240 --> 09:35.920] based upon the possibility that someone else [09:35.920 --> 09:40.000] may have outstanding warrants or have committed some [09:40.000 --> 09:46.640] at. What they're trying to do is transference. They are trying to [09:46.640 --> 09:51.520] transfer the possibility that there's a warrant [09:51.520 --> 09:57.600] or previous criminal history for the person who actually owns the [09:57.600 --> 10:00.720] car in front of them or wherever it is when they actually [10:00.720 --> 10:05.200] scan it and run it. And so they're going to transfer that [10:05.200 --> 10:08.480] criminal possibility to whoever's currently [10:08.480 --> 10:12.800] in the car in order to initiate an investigation [10:12.800 --> 10:18.080] for something that hasn't actually happened in their presence or view. [10:18.080 --> 10:21.840] And 14.01 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, both [10:21.840 --> 10:27.280] section A and section B, require that the criminal offense be committed [10:27.280 --> 10:31.600] in the officer's presence or view. Same thing applies in the transportation [10:31.600 --> 10:36.800] code under 543.001, except there the language is [10:36.800 --> 10:42.720] found committing. Well, how do you find something unless you're present to [10:42.720 --> 10:46.400] lay hands on it or to see it for yourself? [10:46.400 --> 10:50.400] How can you know it was being committed unless you saw it? [10:50.400 --> 10:55.440] So found committing can't be reasonably interpreted to mean anything other than [10:55.440 --> 10:58.560] what their lawful authority is under 14.01, [10:58.560 --> 11:05.360] which is presence or view. Okay? So these are the things we're going to [11:05.360 --> 11:09.360] be considering. Unlawful search and seizure, [11:09.360 --> 11:13.280] dis-transference, and so on and so forth. What was their probable cause? What was [11:13.280 --> 11:16.560] their reasonable suspicion? These are the things we're going to go [11:16.560 --> 11:19.920] into formulating our cross-examination of the officer [11:19.920 --> 11:25.680] on the stand for. Now right now there are a lot of tickets being issued out there [11:25.680 --> 11:29.520] for no insurance, no registration. Those are the two we're going to deal [11:29.520 --> 11:32.640] with in this, but we're not going to do it with a [11:32.640 --> 11:37.120] merits argument. I will not ask a merits question relating [11:37.120 --> 11:42.640] to insurance or registration in my cross-examination. [11:42.640 --> 11:48.640] I am going to go strictly to the attack on the fact that the search of that [11:48.640 --> 11:52.320] information and its retrieval was actually [11:52.320 --> 11:56.560] illegal, making the officer stop and arrest [11:56.560 --> 12:02.160] illegal. Therefore, everything they got is now fruit of the poison tree and they [12:02.160 --> 12:06.720] cannot use it. In fact, if they refuse to dismiss, [12:06.720 --> 12:10.320] I'm going to get it overturned on appeal as an unlawful search [12:10.320 --> 12:14.000] and they're going to get sued for malicious prosecution. [12:14.000 --> 12:17.120] That's where we're going to go with this scenario. [12:17.120 --> 12:22.000] Now Johnny, you follow all that? Yep. And you're up to the task on the officer's [12:22.000 --> 12:26.480] side of things? I hope so. All right, well this is where [12:26.480 --> 12:29.040] we're going to start the foundation of this. [12:29.040 --> 12:32.320] The prosecution has already gone through the scenario [12:32.320 --> 12:36.960] of getting testimony from the officer. We have made our proper objections [12:36.960 --> 12:41.200] according to the practice script regarding not engage in transportation. [12:41.200 --> 12:44.720] We're going to go through this as if we did not produce any of the information [12:44.720 --> 12:48.720] demanded per the script and that there has been [12:48.720 --> 12:53.360] no admitting that we were ever engaged in transportation. [12:53.360 --> 12:57.120] But we're going to deal with this illegal search without going to merits [12:57.120 --> 13:01.920] and destroying that foundation. Remember, the moment you go to merits [13:01.920 --> 13:06.560] in a transportation case, you are admitting transportation is at [13:06.560 --> 13:12.720] issue. If you admit it's at issue, then that defense is gone. [13:12.720 --> 13:18.800] So we don't go to merits. So given that, we're going to set this up. [13:18.800 --> 13:22.160] We're just going to call him Officer Enigma [13:22.160 --> 13:25.760] and we're going to go through our basic set of questions on what he's [13:25.760 --> 13:29.600] previously testified to to start laying the foundation for what [13:29.600 --> 13:34.720] we want to know in relation to this search of data. [13:34.720 --> 13:37.920] All right, Officer Enigma, you said that you were [13:37.920 --> 13:42.080] an officer employed with the Austin Police Department. Is that correct? [13:42.080 --> 13:45.840] That's correct. And you testify that you've been an officer with the Austin [13:45.840 --> 13:49.200] Police Department approximately 15 years. Is that correct? [13:49.200 --> 13:56.000] That's correct. And on the date and time at issue here, can you please [13:56.000 --> 14:00.400] describe a little more detail than what you [14:00.400 --> 14:06.240] answered for the prosecution as to exactly what you used [14:06.240 --> 14:12.560] as your basis for initiating this traffic stop of my car? [14:12.560 --> 14:18.960] Certainly. On the day of the encounter, I was behind your vehicle at a [14:18.960 --> 14:22.560] red light. Objection to the use of the term vehicle assumes facts not in [14:22.560 --> 14:25.040] evidence not previously agreed to and requires [14:25.040 --> 14:31.520] a legal conclusion by the fact witness. That will be overruled and we will [14:31.520 --> 14:33.920] continue. I just want everybody to understand [14:33.920 --> 14:38.400] in real world practice that's your objection when you hear the deadly sins. [14:38.400 --> 14:41.680] Yeah, and the officer is just going to keep on saying right what he said before. [14:41.680 --> 14:45.440] Yes. So I'll do that. Okay, so on the evening in question, [14:45.440 --> 14:49.520] I was behind your vehicle that stopped at a red light. [14:49.520 --> 14:55.920] I ran your license plates, just doing some checks, and [14:55.920 --> 15:00.000] put your license plate into the computer. The computer came back and said that you [15:00.000 --> 15:04.000] had no valid registration and no valid insurance [15:04.000 --> 15:08.400] on the vehicle. Okay, so let me be clear here. You said [15:08.400 --> 15:11.280] that you ran the plate. By running the plate, [15:11.280 --> 15:14.720] are you referring to the act of actually entering [15:14.720 --> 15:18.800] the license plate number into the computer system in your cruiser? [15:18.800 --> 15:23.040] I typed your license plate number that appeared on your vehicle [15:23.040 --> 15:26.640] into the computer that is in my cruiser, did a check, [15:26.640 --> 15:30.400] the check came back and said that there was no valid registration and no valid [15:30.400 --> 15:33.280] insurance on the vehicle. And that's what you refer to as [15:33.280 --> 15:39.440] running my plate. That's correct. Okay, now at the time that you entered that [15:39.440 --> 15:44.400] number into your computer system, what [15:44.400 --> 15:48.880] had occurred just prior to that? [15:49.680 --> 15:55.840] Well, I noticed you, in my opinion, you were coming down the street a little [15:55.840 --> 15:59.440] bit fast. Objection. The officer is stating an [15:59.440 --> 16:03.920] opinion, not a fact. He has not been sworn in as an expert witness and his opinion [16:03.920 --> 16:06.880] is inadmissible. [16:07.040 --> 16:14.160] Just prior to the stop, I observed you passing a line of other traffic quickly. [16:14.160 --> 16:18.000] You and another pack of traffic took off from the previous stoplight at the same [16:18.000 --> 16:21.200] time. You ended up at the next stoplight way ahead of them. [16:21.200 --> 16:27.600] So I pulled in behind you and ran your plates, see if you make sure that [16:27.600 --> 16:30.480] everything was okay, make sure that the car was not reported [16:30.480 --> 16:34.480] stolen, make sure that there were no emergencies or anything of that nature. [16:34.480 --> 16:39.040] And when I put the information from your license plate into my computer, [16:39.040 --> 16:42.480] it came back and said you have no valid registration [16:42.480 --> 16:46.640] and no valid insurance. All right folks, we're going to take a quick break. 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[19:01.760 --> 19:09.280] You are listening to the Logos Radio Network, the LogosRadioNetwork.com [19:09.280 --> 19:11.280] and [19:30.160 --> 19:34.480] all right folks we are back this is rule of law radio and we are going to [19:34.480 --> 19:38.160] continue with our little practice session on cross-examination [19:38.160 --> 19:42.160] uh in the courtroom for an officer that has accessed your information via their [19:42.160 --> 19:45.040] computer by running your license plate either [19:45.040 --> 19:49.760] manually or via automatic scanner now just to refresh remember before we went [19:49.760 --> 19:55.440] to break the officer had testified that he it was his opinion that i may have [19:55.440 --> 19:59.920] been traveling faster than other traffic uh when i [19:59.920 --> 20:04.240] reached ahead a red light in front of other cars that i had [20:04.240 --> 20:09.440] began as a member of their group and had out accelerated them [20:09.440 --> 20:13.600] and so his premise was that i was potentially going faster than the speed [20:13.600 --> 20:20.080] limit so now we're going to pick up my question to that statement on the stand [20:20.080 --> 20:24.960] now officer enigma you say that you saw my car [20:24.960 --> 20:29.680] reach this red light ahead of the group of cars that i had started out with is [20:29.680 --> 20:34.080] that correct that is correct and did you at any time [20:34.080 --> 20:37.200] clock me in any way to determine whether or not i was [20:37.200 --> 20:43.120] exceeding the posted speed limit i i didn't have my radar going at the [20:43.120 --> 20:49.360] time but i am trained to properly estimate speeds and the [20:49.360 --> 20:52.960] and in a road location like where we were [20:52.960 --> 20:56.400] could you please tell me what the distance is between the light where i [20:56.400 --> 20:59.120] had originally stopped and the one where you say i [20:59.120 --> 21:04.240] came up to and you pulled in behind me uh the stop lights are approximately a [21:04.240 --> 21:08.400] quarter of a mile apart a quarter of a mile apart and in that [21:08.400 --> 21:14.720] quarter mile uh did you see me uh spin my tires [21:15.840 --> 21:19.040] are you talking about peeling out yes no i didn't [21:19.040 --> 21:24.320] so there was no exhibition of a set of acceleration to your knowledge [21:24.320 --> 21:27.760] uh there could be exhibition of acceleration you the you [21:27.760 --> 21:31.840] were in the front of a pack at the previous stop lights [21:31.840 --> 21:36.320] by you arrived at the next stop light where i pulled in behind you [21:36.320 --> 21:40.560] approximately 15 seconds before the rest of the pack all the [21:40.560 --> 21:44.640] the other packs stayed together you were well ahead of them [21:44.640 --> 21:48.080] and passing another line of traffic quickly to get to [21:48.080 --> 21:52.320] the stop light where i pulled in behind you and is it at all possible that the [21:52.320 --> 21:56.560] rest of that pack of cars was traveling at a slower rate than the [21:56.560 --> 22:01.120] post of speed limit i think it's possible but unlikely it [22:01.120 --> 22:04.880] was possible but unlikely is that a fact or your opinion [22:04.880 --> 22:08.240] uh i i believe that it's very unlikely in my again [22:08.240 --> 22:14.080] non-responsive i object was that a fact or is it simply your opinion [22:14.080 --> 22:18.640] i didn't clock everybody you didn't clock anybody isn't that the truth [22:18.640 --> 22:22.880] that's correct nor did you have time in that quarter mile based upon what you [22:22.880 --> 22:26.000] said regarding all these things you observed to [22:26.000 --> 22:29.600] actually take an accurate measurement via visual methods to determine what [22:29.600 --> 22:34.400] speed i actually was traveling did you well again i i did observe you [22:34.400 --> 22:38.320] and i i do control that area quite regularly so i am familiar with how [22:38.320 --> 22:40.640] long it generally takes the flow of traffic [22:40.640 --> 22:46.160] to get from stop light a to stop by stop light b when i on the days that i do [22:46.160 --> 22:50.720] sit in radar in that area regularly and you arrived much quicker than is [22:50.720 --> 22:54.880] normal but you testified that i was at the front of the pack [22:54.880 --> 22:58.480] that's correct so i didn't have to go around any cars and there was no one [22:58.480 --> 23:01.280] blocking my lane of travel for me to get to the [23:01.280 --> 23:05.520] next light is that correct uh you did pass uh several cars that had [23:05.520 --> 23:11.440] pulled off of side streets very quickly uh when a car pulls into merging traffic [23:11.440 --> 23:13.520] isn't it usually going slower than the traffic [23:13.520 --> 23:17.520] in the lane it's pulling into on occasions yes [23:17.520 --> 23:21.520] on occasions somebody makes a 90 degree right hand turn into traffic and you [23:21.520 --> 23:25.200] think they're going as fast as the traffic when they get there [23:25.200 --> 23:30.000] when the there were several other vehicles that pulled off of side [23:30.000 --> 23:32.960] streets and made right hand turns before you came up on them [23:32.960 --> 23:36.080] and they were well well ahead of you within that quarter mile between the [23:36.080 --> 23:38.960] stop lights well considering that a quarter mile is [23:38.960 --> 23:41.280] relatively short well ahead of me would be [23:41.280 --> 23:46.160] in what perspective approximately half of that distance eighth of a mile [23:46.160 --> 23:50.560] an eighth of a mile so you can calculate distances so well [23:50.560 --> 23:53.040] visually that you don't even need to know [23:53.040 --> 23:56.800] exactly how far things are how fast they're going to know what they're doing [23:56.800 --> 24:01.520] correct i am trained to estimate uh speed [24:01.520 --> 24:04.240] without any without the use of any equipment [24:04.240 --> 24:09.840] okay uh could you please tell me the distance from my hand to the floor [24:09.840 --> 24:14.640] i would say approximately three feet three and a half feet [24:14.640 --> 24:19.520] really well i'm holding it way up over my head how can that be [24:19.520 --> 24:22.400] i can't see that [24:23.760 --> 24:27.120] okay the point being here folks that the officer is going to try to be evasive [24:27.120 --> 24:30.560] and johnny's doing a very good job of playing that role so just pay attention [24:30.560 --> 24:33.040] to it okay they will attempt to be evasive whenever [24:33.040 --> 24:39.040] possible okay but for the purposes of the rest of [24:39.040 --> 24:42.160] our questions here you neither got a speed reading of [24:42.160 --> 24:48.320] any kind nor did you charge me or accuse me of speeding from one light to [24:48.320 --> 24:54.000] the other did you that's correct so other than [24:54.000 --> 24:59.680] your probable opinion rather than any factual basis [24:59.680 --> 25:03.680] you didn't have any reasonable suspicion or probable cause to determine that a [25:03.680 --> 25:05.760] crime was being committed in your presence [25:05.760 --> 25:11.200] did you i believed that a a traffic violation had [25:11.200 --> 25:16.080] occurred based on my training to estimate speeds based on my [25:16.080 --> 25:19.680] familiarity with the with the area in question where i do [25:19.680 --> 25:24.400] routinely sit and and radar and based on my observation [25:24.400 --> 25:28.400] of you leaving from one stoplight along with [25:28.400 --> 25:31.840] with a with a with a pack of other vehicles and [25:31.840 --> 25:35.520] arriving well before that pack to the next stoplight [25:35.520 --> 25:40.080] but again you didn't mention anything about speeding [25:40.080 --> 25:43.760] in your police report you didn't mention anything about speeding [25:43.760 --> 25:48.480] when you approached my car window and you never indicated that you had [25:48.480 --> 25:53.360] pulled me over for anything related to speeding did you [25:53.760 --> 25:56.960] i believe that when i approached your window i asked you if [25:56.960 --> 26:00.000] if there was an emergency if everything was okay [26:00.000 --> 26:03.760] if there if you required any kind of but you still never mentioned anything [26:03.760 --> 26:10.080] regarding speeding did you that's correct and speeding was not your [26:10.080 --> 26:15.440] grounds for pulling me over was it your speeding is what [26:15.440 --> 26:20.560] initially caught my objection assertion of facts that are not before the court [26:20.560 --> 26:24.320] the officer has not proven speeding nor is there a speeding charge [26:24.320 --> 26:30.480] being made as i previously testified based on my [26:30.480 --> 26:34.640] observations of you leaving a pack of cars at one [26:34.640 --> 26:38.000] stoplight and arriving well before the the rest of the pack at another [26:38.000 --> 26:43.600] stoplight i pulled in behind you to make sure that [26:43.600 --> 26:46.640] you know there were there were no issues with the vehicle make sure the [26:46.640 --> 26:49.520] vehicle wasn't stolen yes from the use of the term vehicle [26:49.520 --> 26:53.040] assumes facts not in evidence not previously agreed to and requires legal [26:53.040 --> 26:58.000] conclusion by this witness to make sure that [26:58.000 --> 27:01.600] you had not called in any emergencies didn't require any assistance to make [27:01.600 --> 27:06.960] sure that the car was not stolen anything of that nature [27:06.960 --> 27:12.000] but in fact you had no evidence of any crime having been committed in your [27:12.000 --> 27:17.440] presence or view did you i did when i ran your plates the [27:17.440 --> 27:21.360] database told me that you did not have proper registration and properly [27:21.360 --> 27:25.360] proper insurance which are violations under the transportation code [27:25.360 --> 27:28.800] i'm referring to prior to the running of my plate [27:28.800 --> 27:34.160] you had no evidence of any crime having been committed in your presence or view [27:34.160 --> 27:39.920] did you i had suspicions based on your actions [27:39.920 --> 27:43.360] of what i observed of the way you were driving your vehicle [27:43.360 --> 27:49.360] did you have any evidence that i was speeding [27:49.440 --> 27:55.120] just my observations my trained observations your trained observation [27:55.120 --> 27:58.720] okay well considering that there are no centerline [27:58.720 --> 28:04.080] stripes on that section of road it's a four lane stretch of road is it not [28:04.080 --> 28:08.960] uh sure we'll call it that okay and the only lines on that road by [28:08.960 --> 28:14.320] which you could take such a measurement would be the center line between the [28:14.320 --> 28:17.120] four lanes are in the middle of the two separate [28:17.120 --> 28:20.080] sides is that correct [28:20.400 --> 28:25.680] yeah i'm sorry say that again in these four lanes there's a center stripe [28:25.680 --> 28:30.160] that goes down and divides the north and southbound lanes from each other isn't [28:30.160 --> 28:34.240] that correct that's correct but in that particular [28:34.240 --> 28:40.640] stretch of road between those two lights isn't that a solid line that's correct [28:40.640 --> 28:44.240] so there's no brake measurements in that line [28:44.240 --> 28:47.600] there are no brake measurements in the line there are multiple [28:47.600 --> 28:52.320] landmarks along the way and again i routinely patrol that area and sit in [28:52.320 --> 28:57.040] radar in that area and i'm very familiar with the normal flow of traffic [28:57.040 --> 29:02.160] so you didn't use the only method prescribed by visual measurement which [29:02.160 --> 29:06.320] is the absolute measurements between the stripes on the highway [29:06.320 --> 29:11.600] you used landmarks and guessing from your perspective [29:11.600 --> 29:16.480] i use landmarks and my training to estimate speed [29:16.480 --> 29:20.640] your training to estimate speed but you're basing it on landmarks from a [29:20.640 --> 29:24.800] particular vantage point correct that's correct so how many different [29:24.800 --> 29:29.040] vantage points along that particular part of road do you have [29:29.040 --> 29:32.560] do you routinely park at exactly the same spot or do you park in multiple [29:32.560 --> 29:36.000] places i usually park along the same stretch of [29:36.000 --> 29:40.400] road on either side of the road is approximately the same location [29:40.400 --> 29:43.920] all right we're going to take another break folks y'all hang on and we will be [29:43.920 --> 29:48.080] right back this is rule of law radio and this is my guest [29:48.080 --> 30:02.160] johnny enigma and we're going to keep playing this out so we'll be right back [30:02.160 --> 30:06.000] do you sleep with your cell phone if the 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stories [33:52.400 --> 33:56.560] we don't believe me say what them tell me three percent of america vote for [33:56.560 --> 33:59.920] me so how the hell do you get the presidency [33:59.920 --> 34:04.800] that's why we have a warrant for you everybody listen carefully listen to the [34:04.800 --> 34:08.000] world then the three shoes [34:08.000 --> 34:11.040] uh [34:23.680 --> 34:28.000] all right folks we are back this is rule of law radio [34:28.000 --> 34:33.360] all right now let's get back to our line of questioning i believe we were dealing [34:33.360 --> 34:37.040] with uh the distance markers and such between [34:37.040 --> 34:41.120] uh the two stoplights for the officer to take an accurate measurement [34:41.120 --> 34:45.520] so far the officer still has tried to avoid answering the question of lack of [34:45.520 --> 34:48.800] evidence of actually speeding or even bringing that up at the time of the [34:48.800 --> 34:56.800] stop the officer is attempting to use speeding as his alleged probable cause [34:56.800 --> 35:01.920] and or reasonable suspicion that would give him grounds to access the data in [35:01.920 --> 35:05.120] the database but we're going to try to get the officer [35:05.120 --> 35:09.680] to admit that he had no actual evidence of any of that at the time [35:09.680 --> 35:13.120] so he can't actually prove nor did he ever accuse [35:13.120 --> 35:18.480] anyone of an of a crime prior to accessing the data [35:18.480 --> 35:24.240] all right officer enigma let me be real clear on the way i want to [35:24.240 --> 35:33.040] this question answered here yes or no you had no actual evidence [35:33.040 --> 35:38.080] of any sort of transportation related crime [35:38.080 --> 35:41.840] prior to putting my license plate information [35:41.840 --> 35:47.600] into your computer that's correct [35:47.600 --> 35:56.480] the only thing you had was your opinion that i was possibly speeding [35:56.480 --> 36:02.960] but you made no attempt whatsoever to get a reading or take an actual [36:02.960 --> 36:07.200] measurement to determine what speed i was allegedly traveling [36:07.200 --> 36:10.160] is that correct [36:11.040 --> 36:16.160] at the time when i first observed i just need a yes or no officer [36:16.160 --> 36:20.240] you were going so fast i didn't have i need a yes or no officer [36:20.240 --> 36:24.080] that's correct you were going so fast i didn't have time objection [36:24.080 --> 36:28.320] prejudicial there is no evidence to support the [36:28.320 --> 36:33.120] statement by the officer i was going so fast [36:34.400 --> 36:41.280] one more time yes or no you had no opportunity [36:41.280 --> 36:45.920] and did not get any sort of reading whether electronic [36:45.920 --> 36:53.440] or calculated as to my alleged speed that's correct [36:53.440 --> 36:58.240] so you have no way of knowing whether or not i was speeding [36:58.240 --> 37:02.880] you are just attempting to use that as the basis for entering my license plate [37:02.880 --> 37:07.280] into your computer true or false [37:07.920 --> 37:11.680] i observed you going way faster than non-responsive [37:11.680 --> 37:19.680] true or false yes or no false false you just testified you had no [37:19.680 --> 37:23.760] evidence that you had no time to create an actual reading [37:23.760 --> 37:28.240] and you have no and you have made no evidentiary finding [37:28.240 --> 37:32.000] as to what speed i was allegedly traveling [37:32.000 --> 37:38.320] is that true i testified that i had reason to believe [37:38.320 --> 37:41.360] that you were speeding based on my objection [37:41.360 --> 37:47.600] you never stated any facts or produced any evidence to show that i was speeding [37:47.600 --> 37:50.640] did you that's correct and you were charged with [37:50.640 --> 37:55.280] speeding however your speed in relation to the rest of [37:55.280 --> 37:59.680] the the traffic on the roadway is objection the rest of the roadway [37:59.680 --> 38:04.480] traffic is not admissible here there's no evidence supporting that i [38:04.480 --> 38:10.400] was speeding true or false true [38:10.400 --> 38:15.600] therefore you had no evidence of an actual crime having been committed in [38:15.600 --> 38:20.640] your presence or view before you entered my information into your computer [38:20.640 --> 38:24.800] yes or no that's correct [38:25.520 --> 38:29.840] so when you entered my data into the computer [38:29.840 --> 38:35.520] did it bring you back any information it brought back quite a bit of [38:35.520 --> 38:41.040] information about your vehicle objection yes or no will do [38:41.040 --> 38:48.000] yes it did and this information that you received back on the computer system [38:48.000 --> 38:51.920] how much of that data did you personally enter into the system it was retrieved [38:51.920 --> 38:54.160] from [38:54.720 --> 38:58.560] the data that was returned yes the only thing i entered into the computer was [38:58.560 --> 39:02.560] your license plate number the information that your computer [39:02.560 --> 39:06.320] displayed to you after you entered that license plate number [39:06.320 --> 39:11.680] how much of that data did you personally enter into the database from which it [39:11.680 --> 39:17.120] was retrieved none of it none of it and do you have any [39:17.120 --> 39:20.880] personal knowledge whatsoever as to the means and method [39:20.880 --> 39:25.280] of how that data is entered into that computer system [39:25.280 --> 39:28.560] i know generally how it gets into the computer system [39:28.560 --> 39:32.720] do you have any direct personal knowledge of how it's entered into that [39:32.720 --> 39:37.120] computer system i have observed it being entered into [39:37.120 --> 39:40.480] the system at times but you've never entered it yourself [39:40.480 --> 39:45.360] that's correct and was it entered into the computer by another computer or was [39:45.360 --> 39:49.440] it entered into the computer by a live person [39:49.440 --> 39:53.440] a combination of both so you've seen a computer [39:53.440 --> 39:57.040] enter data into the computer [39:57.040 --> 40:02.480] does that say that again you've witnessed a computer entering data [40:02.480 --> 40:06.560] into the computer well i didn't witness it but i know how [40:06.560 --> 40:09.600] the computers are connected to one another and i know the general structure [40:09.600 --> 40:15.040] and how they communicate with one another you do i do good then can you [40:15.040 --> 40:18.240] please describe that relationship to the court [40:18.240 --> 40:22.480] sure uh when you purchase a motor vehicle or when a motor vehicle [40:22.480 --> 40:26.240] objection to the use of the term motor vehicle and vehicle assumes facts not [40:26.240 --> 40:29.440] in evidence not previously agreed to and requires a legal conclusion by this [40:29.440 --> 40:34.480] witness when a motor vehicle is sold or purchased [40:34.480 --> 40:38.080] uh in order for title to be acquired on that vehicle [40:38.080 --> 40:41.600] uh there's a transfer of title form that needs to be filled out [40:41.600 --> 40:45.520] uh the the information that both the buyer and [40:45.520 --> 40:50.400] the seller of the vehicle put on the form gets entered into a database [40:50.400 --> 40:54.720] um and it's it's replicated throughout several databases [40:54.720 --> 41:00.400] uh we share information with other municipalities and even other states [41:00.400 --> 41:05.520] and what agency is responsible for the entering of the data that you're [41:05.520 --> 41:10.080] discussing well the data comes from multiple sources [41:10.080 --> 41:15.280] uh vehicle identification numbers uh objection non-responsive the question [41:15.280 --> 41:19.600] was what agency is responsible for entering the data into the computer [41:19.600 --> 41:23.520] system that you're discussing for the most part department of motor [41:23.520 --> 41:26.320] vehicles but it also comes from other agencies [41:26.320 --> 41:32.960] such as uh leads uh it comes from we get information through private [41:32.960 --> 41:37.280] corporations we get information uh from other states we get information [41:37.280 --> 41:41.600] from uh car dealers we get information from [41:41.600 --> 41:46.080] a number of different places and how many of these other entities have [41:46.080 --> 41:52.000] you worked for none so you've never sat in any of these [41:52.000 --> 41:55.120] entities and entered any of this data yourself [41:55.120 --> 42:03.200] that's correct so how do you have such familiarity with how it all works [42:03.200 --> 42:07.600] uh through my training they actually train you on this [42:07.600 --> 42:10.320] we had some discussion about it uh i had to complete [42:10.320 --> 42:14.720] uh 80 hours worth of training units through the texas commission on law [42:14.720 --> 42:18.640] enforcement um i have completed all required [42:18.640 --> 42:24.160] courses under the texas occupations code and i have received a master [42:24.160 --> 42:27.360] master peace officer proficiency certificate [42:27.360 --> 42:31.120] and have taken some advanced courses where [42:31.120 --> 42:35.520] such things are you know we were taught such things as [42:35.520 --> 42:38.640] you know where the data comes from how to utilize the database what to look for [42:38.640 --> 42:42.480] in the database where the data comes from and so forth [42:42.480 --> 42:47.040] were you taught this information uh for the purpose of understanding how it all [42:47.040 --> 42:50.240] works or were you taught this information for the purpose of being [42:50.240 --> 42:54.720] allowed to testify to it in court i was taught the information [42:54.720 --> 42:58.080] to understand how it works in the course of my job [42:58.080 --> 43:03.520] in the course of my profession but again your understanding of how it works [43:03.520 --> 43:06.800] you haven't witnessed every part of this yourself correct [43:06.800 --> 43:10.800] that's correct and you've never done any of it yourself is that correct [43:10.800 --> 43:16.160] that's correct so none of the data that was returned by your entry [43:16.160 --> 43:20.000] of my license plate into your computer is data that you have direct personal [43:20.000 --> 43:24.080] knowledge of as far as how it was input when it was input [43:24.080 --> 43:28.240] who input it and whether or not it was accurate and current [43:28.240 --> 43:30.880] that's correct [43:32.320 --> 43:35.040] all right folks we're going to take another break we'll pick this up on the [43:35.040 --> 43:37.520] other side and continue on with what we're doing here [43:37.520 --> 43:43.040] so far so good this is rule of law radio this is your host eddie craig and my [43:43.040 --> 43:46.080] friend john enigma is on here with us we got another segment before the [43:46.080 --> 43:49.520] top of the hour 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[45:23.680 --> 45:26.480] take a peek at some of our other wonderful products including our [45:26.480 --> 45:29.920] australian emu oil lotion candles olive oil soaps and [45:29.920 --> 45:35.200] colloidal silver and gold call 512-264-4043 [45:35.200 --> 45:38.560] or find us online at natures pure organics.com [45:38.560 --> 45:45.280] that's 512-264-4043 natures pure organics.com don't forget to like us on [45:45.280 --> 46:06.640] facebook for information on events and our products natures pure organics.com [46:15.280 --> 46:36.480] hi folks we are back this is rule of law radio and we're going to continue [46:36.480 --> 46:42.240] playing out our scenario here all right officer enigma now in your [46:42.240 --> 46:45.680] testimony again you said you have no direct personal [46:45.680 --> 46:48.640] knowledge of how the data in the computer was entered [46:48.640 --> 46:52.160] who entered it when they entered it or actually how accurate [46:52.160 --> 46:57.600] or current that data is correct that's correct [46:59.120 --> 47:05.280] so you had witnessed no crime and you arbitrarily as a matter of [47:05.280 --> 47:11.200] policy or practice because you presumed that you had a reason [47:11.200 --> 47:15.040] to do so entered my license plate information into [47:15.040 --> 47:19.520] the computer in your cruiser to retrieve this information [47:19.520 --> 47:24.400] i entered it as a matter of department policy upon my observation [47:24.400 --> 47:31.920] of behavior that was not normal and when you say behavior not normal [47:31.920 --> 47:37.680] are you asserting that officers can create an arbitrary reason for accessing [47:37.680 --> 47:42.720] this database solely upon their alleged their so-called opinion [47:42.720 --> 47:46.480] under department policy anytime we are on patrol [47:46.480 --> 47:50.400] and we witness any behavior that is out of the ordinary [47:50.400 --> 47:53.600] such as i observed with you on the day in question [47:53.600 --> 47:56.960] we run the plates to make sure that there are no emergencies [47:56.960 --> 48:00.880] reported in connection with the vehicle make sure the vehicle is not stolen [48:00.880 --> 48:06.000] so on and so forth are you testifying that any behavior that doesn't fit [48:06.000 --> 48:11.680] your idea of what's ordinary constitutes a criminal act [48:11.680 --> 48:16.080] i'm testifying that behavior that does not [48:16.080 --> 48:22.480] fit with ordinary reasonably behavior objection non-responsive and is [48:22.480 --> 48:27.280] presumptive yes or no officer are you attempting to [48:27.280 --> 48:32.000] testify that any behavior that doesn't suit [48:32.000 --> 48:38.480] your idea of normal constitutes a criminal act [48:38.480 --> 48:45.840] no it's not my idea of normal well you testified that it was normal [48:45.840 --> 48:50.240] based upon what whose opinion are you attempting to [48:50.240 --> 48:55.200] testify to if not your own based on our department policy anytime i [48:55.200 --> 48:59.920] observe any behavior that is out of the ordinary [48:59.920 --> 49:04.560] in relation to you being on the road with everyone else [49:04.560 --> 49:10.400] again officer the question here is whose opinion of ordinary are we dealing with [49:10.400 --> 49:14.240] yours or your department's it's not an [49:14.240 --> 49:18.000] opinion i observed you driving in a manner that [49:18.000 --> 49:22.480] was started when you say out of the ordinary officer you are stating an [49:22.480 --> 49:26.400] opinion unless you provide some fact as to why [49:26.400 --> 49:32.720] it's considered a criminal act i'm stating that i observed a pack of [49:32.720 --> 49:38.400] traffic leave a stoplight and that the way you left the stoplight [49:38.400 --> 49:42.160] was different from the other 30 cars that left the stoplight [49:42.160 --> 49:46.240] with you at the same time which is what you're calling out of the ordinary [49:46.240 --> 49:50.000] that's correct which you're testifying to therefore [49:50.000 --> 49:53.280] is probable cause that a crime is being committed [49:53.280 --> 49:58.160] in order for you to use it to access that computer system correct [49:58.160 --> 50:01.840] it wasn't probable cause at the time but it did raise a suspicion as to whether [50:01.840 --> 50:06.240] or not you had some emergency so you are testifying that [50:06.240 --> 50:10.800] anything that you consider out of the ordinary constitutes a criminal act for [50:10.800 --> 50:17.120] the purpose of investigating it it does raise suspicion objection [50:17.120 --> 50:23.840] non-responsive yes or no is it a criminal act just because [50:23.840 --> 50:27.520] it is something you consider out of the ordinary [50:27.520 --> 50:30.240] no it's not a criminal act but it does give [50:30.240 --> 50:36.720] objection yes or no well the question has been answered the [50:36.720 --> 50:42.000] answer is no however when objection just the yes or no will do [50:42.000 --> 50:48.080] thank you i would like to move the court at this time to strike all the [50:48.080 --> 50:52.000] information returned to the officer via his computer as [50:52.000 --> 50:55.840] hearsay the officer is openly testified he has no [50:55.840 --> 50:59.520] first-hand knowledge of the data that was entered into the computer system [50:59.520 --> 51:04.320] he did not personally enter that data he cannot account for the accuracy of that [51:04.320 --> 51:08.640] data nor can he account for any crime being [51:08.640 --> 51:14.480] committed that would have authorized him to access that data without a warrant [51:14.480 --> 51:18.320] and i presume officer that you didn't have a warrant at the time [51:18.320 --> 51:22.400] i didn't have a warrant at the time i just had suspicion reasonable to warrant [51:22.400 --> 51:25.920] further investigation and again as a matter don't you have to have a warrant [51:25.920 --> 51:30.400] to conduct a search well i didn't i didn't conduct a search [51:30.400 --> 51:33.120] of your vehicle all i did was no but you conducted a [51:33.120 --> 51:37.280] search of my data didn't you uh it's not your data it's owned by the [51:37.280 --> 51:40.640] state sir my data is owned by the state and any [51:40.640 --> 51:44.960] state employee can access it without question for any reason whatsoever [51:44.960 --> 51:48.320] you gave the data up when you applied for a title on the car when you bought [51:48.320 --> 51:53.040] the car you gave the data objection that's a presumption based on no facts [51:53.040 --> 51:56.960] presented in this court whatsoever [51:58.800 --> 52:02.480] that's where the data comes from it comes from you and it goes back that [52:02.480 --> 52:05.840] it's there does the state make it mandatory that [52:05.840 --> 52:10.240] that data be surrendered sure if you want to get a title to your [52:10.240 --> 52:13.440] vehicle when you purchase it objection to the use of the term vehicle blah blah [52:13.440 --> 52:18.880] blah blah and so on and so forth so you're saying that data that is [52:18.880 --> 52:24.640] forcibly extracted from and from me or anyone else becomes owned data [52:24.640 --> 52:29.840] of the state that any state employee can access anytime they wish [52:29.840 --> 52:32.960] i don't believe i've ever seen anyone at the [52:32.960 --> 52:36.240] dmv putting a gun to someone's head making them fill out a [52:36.240 --> 52:39.040] transfer do you tell them that they can't take their car out on the road if [52:39.040 --> 52:42.400] they don't do that i don't that's what the law tells them [52:42.400 --> 52:47.600] that i am i am commissioned to do you use the law to punish them by [52:47.600 --> 52:51.040] writing them tickets and can and charging them with criminal acts if they [52:51.040 --> 52:55.120] don't do that i don't it's not my job to punish it's not [52:55.120 --> 52:58.800] do you issue citations for those alleged offenses [52:58.800 --> 53:02.160] sure citation is not a punishment punishment's up to the courts the [53:02.160 --> 53:05.120] citation is a criminal accusation is it not [53:05.120 --> 53:08.880] that's correct but would you make based upon the statute you're alleged [53:08.880 --> 53:13.840] uh discussing correct that's correct and your statement is that those statutes [53:13.840 --> 53:18.560] require that that data be surrendered is that correct well there's no [53:18.560 --> 53:21.760] requirement that it be surrendered unless you want to have legal title to [53:21.760 --> 53:24.320] your car and again all i do is enforce the [53:24.320 --> 53:28.160] statutes i don't make the statutes and i don't administer punishment for the [53:28.160 --> 53:32.320] statutes but you're free to access the data that [53:32.320 --> 53:36.640] the state has on file for any reason you wish without probable cause [53:36.640 --> 53:41.760] or a warrant i'm i am free to and as a matter of policy [53:41.760 --> 53:45.920] when i observe behavior that i feel warrants [53:45.920 --> 53:49.360] further investigation as a matter of policy i i can and will [53:49.360 --> 53:54.000] access that data okay now ladies and gentlemen at this point this is where [53:54.000 --> 53:57.040] you would put the court on judicial notice and you would introduce the [53:57.040 --> 54:01.200] statutes that specifically state that data can be [54:01.200 --> 54:04.720] accessed only under certain conditions and circumstances [54:04.720 --> 54:08.480] you will have case law that says that data is protected from general access [54:08.480 --> 54:11.840] except under particular conditions and circumstances [54:11.840 --> 54:16.480] the fact is is that the state requires the surrender of that data for you to [54:16.480 --> 54:20.880] exercise what would be a state granted privilege [54:20.880 --> 54:24.400] but they can't force you to do it for what you have a right to do which is [54:24.400 --> 54:27.920] travel on the roads so the question here comes down to [54:27.920 --> 54:31.200] once again were you engaged in the regulable act [54:31.200 --> 54:35.600] which the state can use that information even if they have free and unlimited [54:35.600 --> 54:38.720] access to it or were you simply acting in a private [54:38.720 --> 54:43.120] capacity where they could not that search of that database of your [54:43.120 --> 54:46.320] data there's tons of different ways to do this and i'm going to try to get with [54:46.320 --> 54:51.200] another gentleman that we know who is [54:51.200 --> 54:54.880] johnny swears knows this like the back of his hand when it comes to accessing [54:54.880 --> 54:58.080] that electronic data so i'm going to try to get him to come on the show with me [54:58.080 --> 55:02.240] next week if at all possible and go over that with us and i'll try to have johnny [55:02.240 --> 55:04.720] back then if he's willing or unable to be here [55:04.720 --> 55:08.160] and we will have a round table discussion [55:08.160 --> 55:12.240] on those issues for you but the fact of the matter is [55:12.240 --> 55:16.080] is that that data whether the officer wants to admit it or not [55:16.080 --> 55:19.840] is protected they cannot access it without a [55:19.840 --> 55:25.360] valid reason and even the code that controls that officer's [55:25.360 --> 55:30.000] authority to conduct an investigation specifically says he can only arrest [55:30.000 --> 55:33.440] when a crime is committed in his presence or view [55:33.440 --> 55:37.760] or he catches someone in the act of committing it which again would require [55:37.760 --> 55:42.560] presence or view so given those things for them to [55:42.560 --> 55:45.760] arbitrarily enter numbers and retrieve data [55:45.760 --> 55:50.640] there's a problem there and we're going to get all of the legal aspects of that [55:50.640 --> 55:54.000] for you on the next week's show if we can get everybody together to do that i [55:54.000 --> 55:56.640] will try and keep you posted as to whether or not that's actually [55:56.640 --> 56:02.320] available or not when we do the next show so [56:02.320 --> 56:05.680] in the cases of what we're talking about here [56:05.680 --> 56:10.080] when he began his testimony over the data and i immediately went to have it [56:10.080 --> 56:13.360] block this hearsay it's in some it's inadmissible [56:13.360 --> 56:17.680] and i moved to have it suppressed remember that the court has refused to [56:17.680 --> 56:22.720] provide you with any sort of evidentiary admissibility hearing that's what the [56:22.720 --> 56:26.240] examining trial in texas is supposed to be for [56:26.240 --> 56:30.880] the examining trial is for the purpose of getting all the witnesses testimony [56:30.880 --> 56:34.480] in writing getting that testimony certified [56:34.480 --> 56:38.000] so that if different testimonies actually entered at trial [56:38.000 --> 56:41.040] you can impeach the witness with their prior testimony [56:41.040 --> 56:45.680] it is also for the purpose of determining what evidence will be admitted by either [56:45.680 --> 56:49.760] side this is all being denied to people in [56:49.760 --> 56:54.240] these class c misdemeanor cases they're violating your right of due [56:54.240 --> 56:59.120] process right up front by denying you that examining trial [56:59.120 --> 57:03.360] and there are two things they have to determine at that examining trial [57:03.360 --> 57:08.000] in relation to these cases the first and foremost being [57:08.000 --> 57:13.040] was the arrest which it is an actual arrest [57:13.040 --> 57:16.800] lawful they have to determine whether or not [57:16.800 --> 57:21.120] the officer had lawful authority to make that arrest [57:21.120 --> 57:27.200] if he didn't everything else is dead in the water if the arrest was [57:27.200 --> 57:32.720] illegal so was everything else that followed yet you're being denied the [57:32.720 --> 57:36.160] ability to make that argument because an evidentiary hearing [57:36.160 --> 57:41.120] is never performed you are forced into a trial [57:41.120 --> 57:46.800] where no admissibility of the evidence has been sought out ahead of time [57:46.800 --> 57:51.360] and most of the stuff johnny correct me here if you like to comment be my guest [57:51.360 --> 57:55.360] but the fact is is they do everything they do in these trials [57:55.360 --> 58:00.320] based upon presumptions and presupposition of facts [58:00.320 --> 58:04.880] for which they have offered no actual evidence [58:04.880 --> 58:08.000] would you agree with that yeah for the most part [58:08.000 --> 58:12.080] a lot of times if they can get people talking they get everything they need [58:12.080 --> 58:17.680] yeah now the fact also here is that on those presumptions they're not allowed [58:17.680 --> 58:23.200] to convict you on presumption alone and when you fail to object to them [58:23.200 --> 58:28.320] making a presumption versus a fact and providing evidence to support that [58:28.320 --> 58:31.920] fact you're allowing them to convict you based solely [58:31.920 --> 58:37.280] on opinion not law and you need to learn the difference [58:37.280 --> 58:41.200] that's why you need to be in the sunday classes which by the way this past day [58:41.200 --> 58:45.440] was pretty abysmal only four people all right folks this is rule of law radio [58:45.440 --> 58:50.320] five one two six four six nineteen eighty four we will be right back [58:50.320 --> 58:53.920] the bible remains the most popular book in the world [58:53.920 --> 58:58.400] yet countless readers are frustrated because they struggle to understand it [58:58.400 --> 59:01.840] some new translations try to help by simplifying the text [59:01.840 --> 59:06.960] but in the process can compromise the profound meaning of the scripture [59:06.960 --> 59:11.040] enter the recovery version first this new translation [59:11.040 --> 59:14.560] is extremely 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brave new bookstore.com this is the liberty beat for monday march [01:02:54.480 --> 01:03:15.680] 24th 2014 check out the website the liberty beat.com [01:03:15.680 --> 01:03:20.080] all right folks we are back this is rule of law radio [01:03:20.080 --> 01:03:25.600] all right call in number is five one two six four six 1984 [01:03:25.600 --> 01:03:29.440] we have one caller up on the board brandon in texas brandon [01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:33.840] what can we do for you hey eddie how you doing thank you for [01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:37.440] taking my call am i coming through okay yeah you're coming through fine [01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:43.200] great um i have a question about um i lost in a municipal for a couple [01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:47.200] traffic tickets and i'm going to appeal in the county [01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:51.760] and um i found something interesting in um the government code [01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.880] that i wonder if you had tried or heard of [01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:01.120] um basically it's uh section 601 uh of the government code and what it [01:04:01.120 --> 01:04:07.440] deals with is uh public officers and uh public officers and elections [01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:14.000] but basically 601 at 008 it basically has um unauthorized [01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:20.160] officers um what i'm running into is the municipal prosecutor that um i'm sorry [01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:25.360] i'm a little bit nervous but um the municipal prosecutor that um i [01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:30.800] lost to in uh the lower court i after a fact you know i asked for his [01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.360] oath of office and um i look in these city ordinances to see how [01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.040] the city attorney is appointed and come to find out this guy is just you know a [01:04:39.040 --> 01:04:41.360] hired gun you know he wasn't appointed by the city [01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:45.760] council which is what the uh ordinance says the city attorney is [01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:50.000] supposed to do and of course by uh chapter 45 of the [01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.560] code of criminal procedure says um 45.210201 [01:04:54.560 --> 01:04:57.680] says that the city attorney will you know conduct all prosecutions in [01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:01.760] municipal court so uh something i was thinking about going [01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:06.080] uh going with if uh my of course when my appeal [01:05:06.080 --> 01:05:09.920] is what do you think about like a class action suit [01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.280] against this guy because he's been there for 10 years apparently according to the [01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:16.080] document that he was which was basically an [01:05:16.080 --> 01:05:20.000] hr higher form for him and i simply asked for the [01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.840] appointment document authorizing him to represent the city [01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.400] um but you know he's been in there for 10 years you know probably screwing [01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:30.720] people over so i wanted to know if um you had um heard [01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:35.120] of that little section of code and what are your thoughts on well i don't know [01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:40.480] what what are you trying to say that 601.008 actually says [01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:44.000] yes let me let me get it real quick um i sat it down and [01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:48.560] didn't expect you to come back to me so quick but um what it's [01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:53.920] covering well this this is what it begins with unauthorized officer sub [01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:58.000] section a an officer or court of this state or of a municipality [01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:03.520] may not make order allow or audit payment of a person's claim for compensation [01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:07.760] fees perquisites or services as an officer of the state [01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:11.040] or of the municipality unless the person one [01:06:11.040 --> 01:06:15.440] has been a lawfully elected as the officer and determined to be elected to [01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.200] the office by the canvas conducted of the election for the office [01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:22.720] b appointed as the officer by the lawful appointing authority [01:06:22.720 --> 01:06:27.600] or c a judge to be the officer by a state court of competent jurisdiction [01:06:27.600 --> 01:06:31.440] and two as qualified as the officer under law [01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:36.240] sub section b a person who has not been elected or appointed to an office [01:06:36.240 --> 01:06:40.480] office or has not qualified for office as prescribed by sub section a [01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.360] is not entitled to one receive payment for services as the officer [01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.360] or to exercise the powers or jurisdiction of the office [01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:53.920] c the official acts of a person who claims a right to exercise the power or [01:06:53.920 --> 01:07:00.080] jurisdiction of an office contrary to this section are void [01:07:00.080 --> 01:07:03.680] right and that's what i was wondering like that section right there that they [01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:07.360] are void if it would void all of the previous [01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:10.560] decisions that you know that person is active in that office and that official [01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:14.640] capacity without being lawfully appointed or [01:07:14.640 --> 01:07:18.800] well the problem is and which i've done this but i'm going to i'm going to let [01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:23.520] you analyze this for a second the problem is is what argument are you [01:07:23.520 --> 01:07:28.800] attempting to make in relation to the municipal attorney [01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:33.680] that he is not the city attorney no no no no no no [01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:37.600] any attorney the municipality hires to operate in [01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:42.480] its interest is a city attorney for that purpose [01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.840] even though they have in their municipal code [01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:53.600] who or how a city attorney is appointed because it specifically says [01:07:53.600 --> 01:07:57.360] the in this municipality specifically says that the [01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:03.840] city council will appoint you know a city attorney to represent the [01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:07.840] city in all municipal cases but they're not representing [01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:13.360] the city in these cases they're attempting to represent the state [01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.960] the only time it would be the city is if they're prosecuting solely on an [01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.360] ordinance [01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:22.560] well now what but i mean even though we i mean i [01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:26.000] i agree with you with um of the code of criminal procedure [01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:32.960] chapter 45 45.201 the argument there is is unconstitutional [01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:36.160] i agree it's unconstitutional but would this um [01:08:36.160 --> 01:08:40.080] would this be a way to be able to kind of use their own no it would not [01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:43.920] against them it would not for the reasons i just gave you [01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.680] when they're attempting to prosecute in the name of the state they're not [01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:52.480] allegedly acting in the interest of the city though financially we know better [01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:56.000] right they're attempting to represent the state and that [01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:01.440] is the problem okay the city attorney cannot act as a [01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:07.280] representative of the state and i've got a 78 page motion [01:09:07.280 --> 01:09:13.360] decrying exactly that activity and all of the statutes and all of the case law [01:09:13.360 --> 01:09:17.520] and everything i can find that proves it's impossible for it to [01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:22.800] operate that way right okay all right um can i throw one more [01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:26.640] at you sure oh um [01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:33.200] also in uh my appeal um well obviously i was going to [01:09:33.200 --> 01:09:36.320] i was going to try to challenge the uh city attorney on back fact in addition [01:09:36.320 --> 01:09:39.600] to all the other unconstitutionality of that person [01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:43.680] prosecuting in the name of state but this is more so along the lines of [01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:50.480] um the way that um i use the i guess i'll use the documents in the uh seminar [01:09:50.480 --> 01:09:55.680] material um would i be able to just um if i'm [01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.440] filing a motion to dismiss but obviously i filed in the municipal court [01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:03.520] can i file it again and just tweak it to where it's [01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:07.360] calling for a dismissal of the case in the county [01:10:07.360 --> 01:10:12.320] they absolutely would be if it's absolutely that's what they're for [01:10:12.320 --> 01:10:18.080] you can reuse them for that purpose okay all right because i was kind of just [01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:22.320] confusing myself i guess um whenever i was uh tweaking some of them [01:10:22.320 --> 01:10:27.920] last night and drafting up some okay um can't really think of anything else [01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.960] that i have right now but yeah thank you for the clarification on um [01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:34.160] sure uh johnny you got any comments on this [01:10:34.160 --> 01:10:37.680] uh yeah i just wanted to interject this is something that i've [01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:41.520] used before and it tends to make them not want to talk with me [01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.200] even though they don't like me very much um when you're dealing with a [01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:49.760] municipal corporation every municipal corporation in texas [01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:55.920] is uh created by virtue of article 11 section 5 of the texas [01:10:55.920 --> 01:11:00.080] constitution and article 1165 of the bernan's [01:11:00.080 --> 01:11:04.720] texas civil statutes and we will call those two things together the charter [01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:10.240] and creation provisions and they're uh the uh of course the [01:11:10.240 --> 01:11:12.960] charter for the municipal corporations themselves [01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:17.600] okay so every city has to be established by a charter and that [01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.920] charter has to be in compliance with article 11 section 5 of the texas [01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:25.920] constitution and article 1165 of texas bernan's [01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:30.400] civil statutes okay well let me interject one thing there real quick [01:11:30.400 --> 01:11:33.920] the actual charter applies only to home rule [01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:37.360] those that are general law their charter is state law [01:11:37.360 --> 01:11:42.240] they don't have a separate independent charter and the home rule municipalities [01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:47.600] must register a copy of their charter with the secretary of state [01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:51.120] that's correct yeah for any city that is chartered [01:11:51.120 --> 01:11:55.520] uh which a whole lot of them are i don't know what city the the caller is in [01:11:55.520 --> 01:12:01.280] um but uh the the provisions for a charter impose that no charter or any [01:12:01.280 --> 01:12:03.840] ordinance passed under the charter can contain any [01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:07.200] provision inconsistent with the constitution of the state [01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:10.880] or the general laws enacted by the legislature of the state [01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:16.080] uh and the charters are obliged to recognize that the cities are created [01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:22.400] under the constitution and laws of texas state as they existed in 1924 [01:12:22.400 --> 01:12:29.280] and uh what's that 25 oh is it 25 okay and uh [01:12:29.280 --> 01:12:33.280] pursuant to uh davis v city of taylor and zachary [01:12:33.280 --> 01:12:39.840] the city of san antonio uh no home rule corporation or municipal corporation has [01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.680] any power that is not explicitly incorporated into its [01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:47.280] charter so even if they would otherwise have the power [01:12:47.280 --> 01:12:50.560] uh if it's not in their charter they don't have it [01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:53.440] and if you look in the constitution the only [01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:57.280] the only individuals who are given the authority [01:12:57.280 --> 01:13:00.640] to prosecute in the name of the state are the you know district and county [01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.000] attorneys it says nothing about a city attorney [01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.480] so uh you might take those things into consideration depending on [01:13:08.480 --> 01:13:11.680] uh where you are whether or not they have a charter if you said you have the [01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:16.560] seminar material correct brenton yes i did okay inside of that the motion [01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:20.080] for the challenging the city attorney there's a whole bunch of them [01:13:20.080 --> 01:13:24.720] that are different revisions but there's one in there that the one with the [01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:29.040] latest file stamp date on it i believe will be the one that i finished [01:13:29.040 --> 01:13:34.320] in relation to that but in one of those folders i bought uh [01:13:34.320 --> 01:13:37.360] somewhere i don't know which one it is right off the top of my head [01:13:37.360 --> 01:13:41.680] but there is a specific 70 some odd page motion in there [01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:46.720] challenging the city attorney as a prosecutor for the state [01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:50.720] okay all right um and one more just popped in my head um if you guys have [01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.760] more calls on just let me know i can you know yeah we got one other one at the [01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.920] moment um well real quick um uh just had a [01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:01.520] case in jp court and i thought it most to recuse the [01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.480] judge you know because obviously you know they violate you know their oath [01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:06.880] and the code of criminal procedure and so on and so forth [01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:10.640] um there's nothing that i could find in uh in the statutes [01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:15.680] where whereas you know in uh chapter 29 it has very specific things that must [01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.680] happen when you you know recuse or dismiss um a municipal [01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:23.200] judge how was what's the process for that for a [01:14:23.200 --> 01:14:27.280] justice of the peace they don't have one like that for the [01:14:27.280 --> 01:14:32.800] justice of the peace basically it they should match since they [01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:37.840] have the same jurisdiction in these types of cases you should be [01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.880] able to recuse them in the same way but you can't [01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:47.760] right uh there is a specific provision in there for disqualifying jps [01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:52.320] but it's completely different and it's very much arbitrary [01:14:52.320 --> 01:14:57.840] i forget exactly which section it's in but [01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.280] it has to do with the justice of the peace you have to [01:15:01.280 --> 01:15:04.080] search for it on those grounds and i believe that's [01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:08.560] that also is government code but the disqualification of a jp for the time [01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:13.440] being is completely different than it is for a municipal attorney [01:15:13.440 --> 01:15:18.080] when you disqualify a municipal attorney you do it under 29-a [01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:22.480] and you bind them down also by certain rules in chapter 30 [01:15:22.480 --> 01:15:26.960] when they're municipal courts of record anyway all right [01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:29.600] all right yeah um i don't have anything else i'm gonna let you move on to the [01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:32.320] next caller um as always thank you for what you do and um [01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:35.120] great show tonight um i haven't been able to make it down to austin i'm up [01:15:35.120 --> 01:15:38.720] here in the dfw area um to go to the sunday classes but um [01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.760] hopefully one day i can make it all right um yep thanks again y'all have a [01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.320] good night yes sir you too thanks for calling in [01:15:44.320 --> 01:15:48.320] all right all right now we're going to go to terrence in tennessee [01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:51.840] terrence we have about one minute before we go to break so [01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.840] we'll let you get started but i may have to interrupt you if you're not quick [01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:59.840] sounds good i wanted to ask for definitions [01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:06.640] uh the definitions uh between injury and damages and well that depends you [01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.400] have to first find out if they're defined in the codes of your state [01:16:10.400 --> 01:16:15.520] and are you talking for civil purposes or criminal purposes [01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:19.680] well i'm i'm asking either are they different [01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.880] well they could be again i don't know the laws in tennessee which is where [01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:27.680] you're calling from as as to what they constitute as an injury [01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:32.240] for civil suit purposes versus a penal code injury [01:16:32.240 --> 01:16:36.560] that may require something completely different [01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:42.000] okay well if i want to run through a couple of scenarios and maybe you get [01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.200] okay well if you'll hang on just a minute we'll let you do that you think [01:16:45.200 --> 01:16:47.840] those through and get them ready to articulate and we'll catch you on the [01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:52.960] other side of 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fool me with that same old trick again [01:19:55.280 --> 01:19:58.240] ain't gonna [01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:16.560] ain't gonna drive me with that same old stuff [01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:23.920] i get it now but then i'm all right folks we are back this is rule of law [01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:26.960] radio and we are going to finish talking with [01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.480] parents in tennessee all right parents did you get all your question laid out [01:20:30.480 --> 01:20:34.880] there you have the best time i'm capable of [01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:38.720] a scenario would be you come home and your house has been [01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:44.400] ransacked and a bunch of property taken out maybe a window broken [01:20:44.400 --> 01:20:48.400] uh do you would you be injured or damaged [01:20:48.400 --> 01:20:52.400] as far as your stuff going being stolen [01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:58.240] well it's in that case injury and damage are synonymous [01:20:58.240 --> 01:21:04.560] you you have damage to the property which causes you a financial injury [01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:08.880] okay and then you're missing things would be an injury [01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.280] a financial loss is an injury yes okay [01:21:13.280 --> 01:21:19.600] uh someone uh modes you on the walking down the street [01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:25.920] and they stab you then that's both a physical injury and a civil injury that [01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:32.240] you can sue for you can sue for assault okay and assault is an injury [01:21:32.240 --> 01:21:36.560] assault is both a physical and civil injury yes [01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:42.720] okay but but not a damage no the damage is the fact that you were [01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:49.520] injured by the assault physically okay most states including texas require [01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.640] that in the case of an aggravated assault [01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:57.440] except in the case involving a public servant displaying a deadly weapon [01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:02.960] there has to be some sort of tangible physical injury that's identifiable [01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:06.640] it can be a scrape it can be a bruise it has to be something [01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:11.840] that marks an actual physical trauma [01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:15.120] and that would be an injury not a damage [01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:18.320] correct okay yeah i'm trying to figure out [01:22:18.320 --> 01:22:22.080] uh just seeing some words seem to be interchangeable [01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:25.840] and they're not supposed to be or an injury is [01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:29.920] what's identifiable a damage is what results [01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:36.720] from the injury okay that helps out a great deal [01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:40.560] thank you very much you're welcome [01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:44.640] donnie you have a better way of saying that [01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:48.320] uh no i think that's pretty accurate but i mean you can dig down into several [01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:52.320] different levels um you know you you you have [01:22:52.320 --> 01:22:56.640] compensatory damages and uh special and general damages and [01:22:56.640 --> 01:23:01.520] and all of that but yeah yeah those are all the results of the actual injury [01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.920] right yeah all right anything else terrence [01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:11.200] no that's it that's what i needed to know okay you're welcome all right now [01:23:11.200 --> 01:23:16.160] we're going to go to larry and i don't know where [01:23:16.160 --> 01:23:20.960] uh larry yes sir what can we do for you where are you [01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:25.840] calling from arizona arizona all right what can we do [01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.200] for you i i spoke to you a couple weeks ago about [01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:33.280] not being allowed in a local courthouse without being searched [01:23:33.280 --> 01:23:38.800] without being searched well well they they wanted they want you to remove [01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:43.440] your belt sometimes your boots and your jacket [01:23:43.440 --> 01:23:47.040] so i had reason to go back to the courthouse last week [01:23:47.040 --> 01:23:50.480] so i took my recorder like you told me to do [01:23:50.480 --> 01:23:54.960] when they requested i removed my belt i asked them if they had a warrant [01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:59.600] that got them real excited and they all came over to see who was [01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:04.880] challenging them um i asked the gentleman his name [01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:08.880] who he worked for you know a badge number it was private security [01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:12.960] i asked him what his lawful authority to stop me from using a public building [01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:16.880] was and he said an order from the presiding [01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:24.160] judge okay did he name the judge so what's that did he name the judge [01:24:24.160 --> 01:24:30.240] um no but i can find that out easy enough um so what's my next move to be [01:24:30.240 --> 01:24:33.920] able to get in the courthouse uh i would file a judicial conduct [01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:38.000] complaint against the judge for ordering an illegal search without a [01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:42.560] warrant or at the very minimum what he would have to be considered a standing [01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:48.800] warrant for anything in everybody uh that enters the building [01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:54.960] okay and who and who do you file that with i mean how's that uh well you're [01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.920] what's the process you're in arizona i don't know you'd have to see what the [01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:02.400] process is for filing a judicial conduct complaint in arizona is [01:25:02.400 --> 01:25:06.080] okay and and i've also been requested to go in and see a judge [01:25:06.080 --> 01:25:11.360] um week after next and if they won't let me in [01:25:11.360 --> 01:25:14.320] is that reason enough to not appear before the judge [01:25:14.320 --> 01:25:18.400] the judge isn't going to see it that way okay [01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:22.400] so i need to at least play the game the next time i go in you can still object [01:25:22.400 --> 01:25:26.320] to it and say that you're being uh forced to do [01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:30.800] it against your will but yeah you don't show up that judge [01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:37.040] ain't going to care the reason okay it's kind of like i've i've literally [01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:41.520] seen judges order someone to be taken from the [01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.800] courtroom and then have that person's name [01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:49.360] called and then issued a warrant for their arrest for failure to appear even [01:25:49.360 --> 01:25:52.080] though the judge knew exactly why they weren't there [01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:55.360] and he was the reason [01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:04.320] really i've literally seen that happen okay they are wonderful public servants [01:26:04.320 --> 01:26:08.640] aren't they uh well i'd have said serpents but yeah [01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:12.320] okay um that's all i need to know well i appreciate your time [01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:15.600] all right larry thanks for calling in okay thank you [01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:20.640] yes sir bye bye all right that is all of our callers we need some more [01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:26.320] five one two six four six nineteen eighty four is the call-in number [01:26:26.320 --> 01:26:30.720] uh johnny you want to go over any of the stuff that we were doing on our little [01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:36.240] uh routine there uh that you would like to point out that could have been done [01:26:36.240 --> 01:26:40.000] differently that you have additional thoughts on so on and so [01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.880] forth since we're trying to treat this as a learning experience for the general [01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:48.240] public any good input is useful well i i think you did a pretty good [01:26:48.240 --> 01:26:50.720] job um and you know as we were talking [01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:54.960] about on one of the breaks i mean i i think that you know if you just [01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:01.600] listen to what they say um it's everything that somebody says [01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.400] even right now when you and i are talking you know just it's just one of [01:27:04.400 --> 01:27:07.920] the things that's inherent in language every time somebody says something [01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:13.680] there are presumptions in what are said and um you know there are premises in [01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:17.040] what are said and and when you have now are you asserting that statement as a [01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:20.400] fact or as a presumption well i think it's just common knowledge [01:27:20.400 --> 01:27:23.760] that it's a fact i mean you know it's a common knowledge [01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:28.000] presumption of certain facts yeah pretty much that's what you're [01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:33.040] talking about folks what somebody says that if you listen to it you can make an [01:27:33.040 --> 01:27:36.720] argument over there there is a maxim in law which [01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:42.720] says against uh one who denies first principles there can be no debate [01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:46.320] um so if you if you just listen to what they're saying [01:27:46.320 --> 01:27:51.920] you will hear the presumptions that are inherent the presumptions and the [01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:54.960] implications okay explain explain to them what that [01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:58.800] what you mean by first principles [01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:04.960] uh well for example uh you know it's kind of a first olive out of the jar [01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:09.600] principle uh you know a lot of people will [01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.200] you know okay for example what you always talk about arguing merits [01:28:13.200 --> 01:28:16.160] well you know the merits aren't the first all about of the jar [01:28:16.160 --> 01:28:20.880] first all about of the jar is you know do these statutes as you're accusing me of [01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:25.280] violating even apply to me you know because i you know you say i [01:28:25.280 --> 01:28:29.360] was engaged in transportation and i don't see any evidence of that [01:28:29.360 --> 01:28:32.560] you certainly haven't been able to provide any evidence of that so it's [01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:36.400] you know you don't want to let them get the cart ahead of the horse [01:28:36.400 --> 01:28:40.960] you know so to speak so don't you know don't let them do that [01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:45.840] when you have them on the stand um everything they say there is there is a [01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:50.240] presumption and an implication inherent in it uh for example when i was [01:28:50.240 --> 01:28:53.360] saying that uh you know when i when i was playing the [01:28:53.360 --> 01:28:56.640] officer and um you know i was saying well i [01:28:56.640 --> 01:29:00.880] observed uh you know you acting i don't remember the word that i [01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:05.920] used unusually or or out of the ordinary you did a really good job of attacking [01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.520] that presumption um you know that would have gotten right [01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:13.920] past most people when i say you know i observe you at a pack at a [01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.960] stoplight and you got to the next stoplight way [01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:20.880] before everybody else did um you know you you attacked a [01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:24.000] presumption because the the the presumption and the implication that i [01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.680] was making is that you were speeding i had reason to believe that everybody [01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:30.400] else in that pack that you were originally with was going to [01:29:30.400 --> 01:29:34.960] speed limit based on my observations every day and you were going much faster [01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.600] than they were so i was making an implication 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back this is rule of law radio [01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:27.520] my guest johnny had to drop off and take care of some business i got a half an [01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:31.120] hour left in the show here and we have one more caller scott in [01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:34.480] connecticut but i need some more because i got a half an hour left to fill here [01:34:34.480 --> 01:34:41.920] 512-646-1984 right scott what can we do for you [01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:45.840] yes eddie how are you tonight so far so grand [01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:51.760] excellent um in the beginning uh you were talking about uh license plate [01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:56.720] uh why the the cop was pulling you over uh [01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:00.720] in a this scenario you you have a license plate or you're driving [01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:05.760] or you're traveling without one well in this scenario we're assuming people [01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:11.040] with plates have had the plate run and the officer hasn't any probable [01:35:11.040 --> 01:35:16.960] cause to base that on okay if uh someone was driving or [01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:22.480] traveling without a license plate then would that be probable cause to [01:35:22.480 --> 01:35:26.320] have the person be pulled over well that depends [01:35:26.320 --> 01:35:29.520] for the most part they can say that they did it to determine whether or not the [01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:32.000] car was stolen it didn't have a plate on it [01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:36.480] which means under their presumption and training is it's trying to hide [01:35:36.480 --> 01:35:41.200] the its identity so to speak so they're they're going to pull it over to [01:35:41.200 --> 01:35:46.800] determine whether or not it's stolen but they could determine that based upon [01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:50.560] you know just looking out for apbs on stolen cars [01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:54.720] does the car match the make model and color or any other description [01:35:54.720 --> 01:36:00.960] of a currently listed stolen car if there isn't any match then the probable [01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:06.480] cause to believe the car is stolen doesn't really exist [01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:14.160] oh okay and uh now do you have do you have a plate on yours on your car [01:36:14.160 --> 01:36:18.720] i have two one of them has one because it was given to me with all that stuff on [01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:23.040] it here not too long ago and then my other car my original [01:36:23.040 --> 01:36:28.960] car no it's got a handmade plate on it okay and what's the criteria on a [01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:33.520] handmade plate i mean i'm interested in well there is no criteria [01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:38.320] okay so all i did was make one to make sure that there was no doubt that it was [01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:42.480] not commercial at all [01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:50.480] okay and then uh one more question is uh i i noticed with your questions on [01:36:50.480 --> 01:36:56.240] your um on your um for the police officer [01:36:56.240 --> 01:37:01.680] uh when he's asking for uh license and registration [01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:06.400] and in proof of insurance and you go through the questions [01:37:06.400 --> 01:37:11.200] what if he says something like license and registration or license and proof of [01:37:11.200 --> 01:37:14.800] insurance he keeps asking that do you go to the next you haven't read the [01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:20.640] script have you no i have when they ask for that information the [01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:25.920] response is very short and very simple officer i've invoked my right to remain [01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:28.720] silent is any of the information you are [01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:32.320] demanding able to be used against me in a court of law or to potentially [01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:37.440] incriminate me in any way if so i reinforce my right to remain [01:37:37.440 --> 01:37:41.600] silent and not to provide you with any such information [01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:48.240] oh okay all right so i can i can just hop right on to that one absolutely [01:37:48.240 --> 01:37:52.480] oh all right uh that's basically all the questions i have for you tonight [01:37:52.480 --> 01:37:55.440] thanks eddie okay you're welcome thanks for calling in [01:37:55.440 --> 01:37:59.040] all right bye now bye bye all right folks i still don't have any other [01:37:59.040 --> 01:38:02.240] additional callers here so i need some more five one two [01:38:02.240 --> 01:38:08.720] six four six nineteen eighty four now i've had a couple of scenarios in [01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:12.320] class or a couple of classes with the scenario [01:38:12.320 --> 01:38:16.480] that we went over on the air tonight where we got a little further and did a [01:38:16.480 --> 01:38:19.760] little better because we had different people playing the cop and so on and so [01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:23.120] forth and it's really good practice for this [01:38:23.120 --> 01:38:27.200] the purpose of my class right now is focusing on the practical application of [01:38:27.200 --> 01:38:32.160] what's out there in the statutes what your rights are how to enforce them [01:38:32.160 --> 01:38:37.760] and how to act and use them the system as it is set up [01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:42.800] right now is geared toward doing nothing so much [01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:49.200] as getting you to waive your rights or to outright deprive you of them [01:38:49.200 --> 01:38:53.040] under the premise that because we're not throwing you in jail [01:38:53.040 --> 01:39:00.880] your rights don't actually exist that's baloney your rights exist [01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:04.880] no matter what their intent and purpose is [01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:11.440] your rights are your rights they can't make you waive them [01:39:11.440 --> 01:39:15.360] only you can waive them and it be voluntary [01:39:15.360 --> 01:39:21.200] so stop helping them out by doing that uh another thing johnny and i were [01:39:21.200 --> 01:39:24.640] discussing on breaks the officer says something to you [01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:28.800] about do you know why i pulled you over do you know how fast you were going [01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:37.200] and you answer them stop doing that and most assuredly don't say [01:39:37.200 --> 01:39:41.520] something stupid like if i do you have any warrants well i [01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:46.720] don't know you can check you're consenting to them [01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:53.680] to have them access your information stop doing that [01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:57.760] okay the reason the transportation script that i did [01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:01.040] doesn't say any of that is because it doesn't [01:40:01.040 --> 01:40:06.800] need to be said and folks i'm going to reiterate this one more time for those [01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:11.760] that have severe dyslexia uh or any other type of [01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:15.280] mental or hearing impediment [01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:22.640] do not engage the cop in conversation do not answer the cop's questions and for [01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:30.480] god's sakes don't add lib off script if you send me an audio or a video [01:40:30.480 --> 01:40:34.400] saying i followed your script and here's what happened [01:40:34.400 --> 01:40:39.920] and i play that audio and video and you're doing everything except what the [01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:45.200] script tells you to do i'm going to send you a very nasty [01:40:45.200 --> 01:40:48.480] reply at what point did you actually begin to [01:40:48.480 --> 01:40:51.920] follow the script because for the first 15 minutes you're doing everything the [01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:57.120] script said not to do you answered you asked one thing that's [01:40:57.120 --> 01:41:02.640] in the script and everything else sounds like you made it up on the fly [01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:06.800] and tried to imitate the script but instead you're answering everything [01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:09.520] you're asked and giving out all kinds of information [01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:15.040] and basically holding a let's be friends and chat party with the cop [01:41:15.040 --> 01:41:22.160] newsflash that is not following the script okay [01:41:22.160 --> 01:41:28.640] it's not even close so don't send me stuff saying i tried [01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:32.560] to follow your script and you're doing everything but [01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:37.440] because you're not following the script but i guarantee you when you talk to [01:41:37.440 --> 01:41:40.800] people about it you're going to tell them that you were [01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:46.000] and that what happened was my fault even though the video or audio clearly shows [01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.760] you didn't do anything i told you to do and you most certainly did everything i [01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:54.560] told you not to so please follow the script means [01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:58.960] follow the script now that doesn't necessarily mean from top to bottom you [01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:02.640] may have to jump around in the middle of it from place to place [01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:08.960] but you don't go off script and ad lib that's dangerous when you don't know [01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:14.160] what you're doing and you don't know what they are doing [01:42:14.160 --> 01:42:19.120] very dangerous so please if you're going to say you're following [01:42:19.120 --> 01:42:23.840] the script try to adhere to it it would be more useful that way all [01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.520] right we have james in new york up on the board [01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:31.920] james we got about oh a minute and 10 seconds before i got to interrupt you for [01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:37.520] a break but please go ahead okay hi eddie i i just wanted to ask if [01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:41.280] this system applies to all states or just texas [01:42:41.280 --> 01:42:45.920] what system are you referring to uh well [01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.960] what you're what you're uh what you're speaking to [01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:52.960] uh the script i've read the script which script [01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.880] uh both the in court and at the traffic stop [01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.480] okay and do both of what do both of those scripts [01:43:00.480 --> 01:43:07.840] deal with uh transportation uh what else do they deal with [01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:10.320] uh [01:43:11.280 --> 01:43:16.720] let's see maybe you can maybe you can be helpful with that preserving [01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:24.320] protecting and defending your rights okay okay now question [01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:28.560] do your rights change when you go from new york to california [01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:33.760] no in fact uh i'm dealing with the traffic stop in connecticut [01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:38.000] okay so do your rights change between new york and connecticut [01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:42.880] i don't know i i guess you don't know all right well you hold that thought [01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:46.560] 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01:46:32.560] scuffling [01:46:48.400 --> 01:46:52.400] all right folks we are back this is rule of law radio [01:46:52.400 --> 01:46:55.600] all right we are still talking to james in new york [01:46:55.600 --> 01:47:00.640] james you still there yes i am all right let's continue on then [01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:03.600] so one of the one of the questions i had was [01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:07.200] um does the law change from state to state [01:47:07.200 --> 01:47:14.000] regarding uh the transportation code applying to commercial activity because [01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.880] i did when i when i was stopped by the police [01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:22.080] officer i i asked the question from the script [01:47:22.080 --> 01:47:27.120] if i was uh operating in a commercial manner [01:47:27.120 --> 01:47:30.960] i i didn't go you know point by point from the script i don't [01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:36.160] you know i tried to recite it as much as i had remembered but [01:47:36.160 --> 01:47:41.680] uh he said he didn't know if i was engaged in commercial activities [01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:45.440] okay and i said this is this is what you have to understand in relation to your [01:47:45.440 --> 01:47:49.040] rights in order to find a reasonable answer to that question [01:47:49.040 --> 01:47:53.520] okay all right the founding fathers put into the constitution that [01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:56.640] and the constitution does not grant us this right [01:47:56.640 --> 01:48:01.200] but it forbids government to interfere with it we have the right to pursue to [01:48:01.200 --> 01:48:05.920] our pursuits involving life liberty and the pursuit of happiness right [01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:09.840] yes and the federal courts including the supreme court have ruled that the [01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:15.040] pursuit of happiness entails many things one of which is the right of liberty [01:48:15.040 --> 01:48:18.960] and involved in that right of liberty is many other things the right to [01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:22.720] acquire possess and dispose of property uh to [01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:27.600] travel from place to place and so on and so forth and they have [01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:33.200] even ruled that locomotion is an inherent part [01:48:33.200 --> 01:48:39.600] of individual liberty now if liberty is a right [01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:43.760] and locomotion is an inherent part of that right [01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:50.160] then the state has no right to regulate it or charge a fee or license [01:48:50.160 --> 01:48:57.120] and associate it to the right okay no state can do that [01:48:57.120 --> 01:49:00.640] it's a privilege no no no that's where you have to understand [01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:07.920] the difference in the legalese versus liberty the legalese makes driving or [01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:14.480] operating in commerce a privilege but traveling from point a to point b by [01:49:14.480 --> 01:49:19.600] your own means and methods is not a privilege it's a right [01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:23.680] and there are tons of court cases from all over the u.s [01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:27.280] and the federal courts including the supreme court that says [01:49:27.280 --> 01:49:33.840] exactly that okay so okay so so when you were speaking [01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:39.600] with johnny uh doing the doing uh uh [01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:43.840] it sounded to me you were going into merits [01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:49.760] uh about you know the you know the speed at which the car was [01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:54.480] traveling and i no no no i never went into the merits as to what speed it was [01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:58.080] traveling i simply asked him what evidence he had that speeding had [01:49:58.080 --> 01:50:01.120] occurred there's a difference but isn't that [01:50:01.120 --> 01:50:05.280] isn't that believe me i i don't even know what merits is as far as [01:50:05.280 --> 01:50:09.040] legally merits is when you go to the specific elements of a particular legal [01:50:09.040 --> 01:50:13.760] accusation okay every every charge [01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:17.760] against you has a specific set of elements that are required to be proven [01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:22.720] at trial before you can be convicted of the offense [01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:28.480] speeding in texas has at least a minimum of 11 elements [01:50:28.480 --> 01:50:35.040] okay and they usually prove anywhere from five to seven of them [01:50:35.040 --> 01:50:38.320] and the rest are ignored [01:50:39.120 --> 01:50:44.160] but they're required to prove them all and they don't [01:50:44.160 --> 01:50:48.240] but when you go to the specific elements you're admitting that it has [01:50:48.240 --> 01:50:53.360] a particular issue all i went to was what evidence are you alleging you [01:50:53.360 --> 01:50:59.680] possessed or introduced that i was speeding [01:51:00.160 --> 01:51:05.040] okay and when i said you never got a reading as to an actual speed [01:51:05.040 --> 01:51:10.560] again i'm not asserting any actual speed i'm not addressing a specific speed at [01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:14.160] all i'm simply saying he again never acquired [01:51:14.160 --> 01:51:17.840] any actual evidence asserting any particular speed that [01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:23.120] would have proven his assumption that i was speeding [01:51:23.120 --> 01:51:26.800] okay let's let's use the example of being pulled over for [01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:30.160] you know which most people are are pulled over for [01:51:30.160 --> 01:51:35.120] a radar reading so in that case [01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:38.800] what is the situation how do you argue that [01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:45.520] you don't we're never arguing anything relating specifically to the [01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:49.520] charge or the reading on the radar things like [01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.720] that if you're arguing not engaged in transportation [01:51:52.720 --> 01:51:56.880] because under what code or what set of statutes [01:51:56.880 --> 01:52:00.080] would a speeding charge originate is it in your penal code in [01:52:00.080 --> 01:52:02.640] in new york [01:52:03.200 --> 01:52:07.360] i don't know it's not it's in your motor vehicle code [01:52:07.360 --> 01:52:10.480] okay and your motor vehicle code is a commercial [01:52:10.480 --> 01:52:15.840] only code it only has to do with those engaged in [01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:20.320] using the roads for commercial purposes i went to i went to a new york law [01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:25.760] library and tried to find uh the language that said it was [01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:29.120] it was there may not be any such language [01:52:29.120 --> 01:52:33.040] but you have to understand that there are only certain things the language [01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:39.680] can encompass okay if the language attempts to encompass a right [01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:45.680] and turn it into a privilege then that is a bad interpretation of the statute [01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:49.200] it's a ridiculous outcome which is a part of what they call [01:52:49.200 --> 01:52:53.360] statutory interpretation the interpretation cannot result in a [01:52:53.360 --> 01:52:58.400] ridiculous outcome and to assert that the state [01:52:58.400 --> 01:53:02.480] can create a statute that would convert a right [01:53:02.480 --> 01:53:07.120] into a privilege and either require you to pay a license [01:53:07.120 --> 01:53:13.200] a tax or a fee in order to exercise that right the supreme court has [01:53:13.200 --> 01:53:18.880] already said cannot be done can't be done [01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:23.040] so it isn't necessarily what it says as much as what it [01:53:23.040 --> 01:53:29.360] doesn't say in some cases remember your public servants cannot do anything [01:53:29.360 --> 01:53:34.640] that is not specifically authorized by law [01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:40.800] if the law never says that it applies to everything with wheels i mean let's look [01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:45.520] at it from this perspective under reasonable analysis if the [01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:48.640] legislature intended that the statute encompass [01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:55.360] every car on the road how much easier and clearer would the statute be [01:53:55.360 --> 01:54:01.440] if it simply said a motor vehicle is anything on the road that is [01:54:01.440 --> 01:54:04.240] self-propelled [01:54:06.480 --> 01:54:09.440] would that not be a straightforward definition that would [01:54:09.440 --> 01:54:14.320] clearly apply to anything on the road that was self-propelled [01:54:14.320 --> 01:54:17.600] so you're saying so you're saying it does not say that [01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:22.480] it doesn't say that if you look most of them will have what i refer to as a [01:54:22.480 --> 01:54:26.400] compound definition motor vehicle will contain the term [01:54:26.400 --> 01:54:29.360] vehicle which is which itself will have a [01:54:29.360 --> 01:54:33.200] separate definition somewhere else and vice versa [01:54:33.200 --> 01:54:36.960] sometimes vehicle will conclude include the term [01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:40.240] motor vehicle which has a separate term and definition [01:54:40.240 --> 01:54:44.480] all to itself those are compound definitions when they do that [01:54:44.480 --> 01:54:48.720] but one of them will invariably contain the language [01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:55.120] used to transport or used for transportation of passengers or [01:54:55.120 --> 01:55:01.760] property on a highway all of that is key transport or [01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:05.440] transportation is something that only a commercial [01:55:05.440 --> 01:55:10.160] carrier can do someone who is getting paid to move [01:55:10.160 --> 01:55:15.280] person's goods or property from one place to another for a fee [01:55:15.280 --> 01:55:21.280] for compensation or hire a taxi cab does it a bus company does [01:55:21.280 --> 01:55:26.960] it a freight company does it a train does it and so on and so forth trolley [01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:31.520] services do it these downtown horse-drawn carriages [01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:35.760] and electric carts do it so on and so forth they're all using [01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:42.960] the public roads for profit that can be regulated [01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:47.120] you and i however are traveling on it as a matter of [01:55:47.120 --> 01:55:51.120] right the roads belong to us not the state [01:55:51.120 --> 01:55:57.520] but to us we simply elected the people to take care of our roads for us [01:55:57.520 --> 01:56:01.360] there are caretakers they're not the owners [01:56:01.360 --> 01:56:04.880] that's the first presumptive mistake people make that the state [01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:11.120] owns the roads they do not the people on the roads and the state [01:56:11.120 --> 01:56:16.000] is the caretaker their job is to keep them in good order for [01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:20.000] us to use for our private business and pleasure [01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:23.600] but when someone begins to use the public property for [01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:30.560] private profit and gain then it becomes something the state can regulate [01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:34.800] you follow yes okay the judge is going to follow that [01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:38.480] the judge would follow it just fine because there's tons of supreme court [01:56:38.480 --> 01:56:42.240] cases and federal court cases and state court cases that make it [01:56:42.240 --> 01:56:47.280] abundantly clear the thing is is they learned that there are [01:56:47.280 --> 01:56:51.440] billions and trillions of dollars of revenue to be made [01:56:51.440 --> 01:56:57.040] by suckering the general public into paying these fees for these licenses and [01:56:57.040 --> 01:57:01.840] these privileges even though they're not required to do so [01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:08.880] when you consider that roughly 10 percent of the total vehicles [01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:12.880] in the state out of all the cars in the state [01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.440] are actually taxable as commercial versus non-commercial [01:57:17.440 --> 01:57:21.280] that's a huge sum of money the state's not getting when it can't apply to [01:57:21.280 --> 01:57:23.840] everybody [01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:27.040] that's a that's a very large motivation for committing [01:57:27.040 --> 01:57:29.440] fraud [01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:34.480] hence now we get down into the realm of what they generally do [01:57:34.480 --> 01:57:38.320] policing for profit [01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:42.960] that's why they want to be able to write tickets to everybody [01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:47.840] say again and i understand their motive but what is what is their motive [01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:54.480] to to actually follow that previous case law not getting sued for [01:57:54.480 --> 01:57:58.480] deprivation of rights that's their motive but until somebody actually [01:57:58.480 --> 01:58:02.640] does it and makes them accountable then they're going to keep getting away with [01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:06.080] it they have nobody fights their tickets [01:58:06.080 --> 01:58:09.520] on the right argument and then if they do fight it they [01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.480] don't fight it to appeal in order to win the argument [01:58:12.480 --> 01:58:17.520] they give up and the system is designed to make that happen [01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:25.280] right okay uh yes i'm i'm gonna need [01:58:25.280 --> 01:58:28.480] okay well you're glad to call me back in next week because i am out of time for [01:58:28.480 --> 01:58:30.880] tonight julius i'm sorry i wasn't able to get [01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:33.840] to you there man james thanks for calling but call me back next monday and [01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:38.400] we'll carry on okay take care you too all right folks this has [01:58:38.400 --> 01:58:41.600] been rule of law radio's monday night show with your host eddie craig i want [01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:43.920] to thank you 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