[00:00.000 --> 00:04.520] You're listening to the Liberty Beat, your daily source for Liberty news and activist [00:04.520 --> 00:07.520] updates online at thelibertybeat.com. [00:07.520 --> 00:12.800] This is Justin Armand here with your Liberty Beat for January 30th, 2014. [00:12.800 --> 00:21.400] Gold opened today at $1,242, silver at $19.11, and Bitcoin is trading at $785. [00:21.400 --> 00:26.560] Support for the Liberty Beat comes from blockchain.info, the world's most popular Bitcoin wallet. [00:26.560 --> 00:30.600] Simple and secure, blockchain is the easiest way to get started using Bitcoin. [00:30.600 --> 00:34.600] To learn more or to create a wallet today, visit blockchain.info. [00:34.600 --> 00:40.680] And from AJ Processing, transcription services to increase your online traffic and subscribership. [00:40.680 --> 00:43.080] Online at ajprocessing.com. [00:43.080 --> 00:48.480] And support for this program comes from Brave New Books, online at bravenewbookstore.com. [00:48.480 --> 00:51.640] And now the news, regulation and control of Bitcoin. [00:51.640 --> 00:54.720] That's the focus of hearings underway this week in New York. [00:54.720 --> 00:59.360] As organized by the New York Department of Financial Services, plans to license virtual [00:59.360 --> 01:04.120] currency firms as a prime outcome of hearings, with Russia Today reporting that New York's [01:04.120 --> 01:09.280] superintendent of financial services said such regulatory guidelines would seek to bar [01:09.280 --> 01:15.280] misconduct like money laundering while not impeding virtual currency technology. [01:15.280 --> 01:19.580] Charlie Shrem has resigned as vice chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation. [01:19.580 --> 01:24.040] The Verge reports the prominent Bitcoin community members stepped down Tuesday, one day after [01:24.040 --> 01:27.600] his arrest in connection with the alleged laundering of money. [01:27.600 --> 01:31.880] The feds claim that happened through the use of the now defunct Silk Road Marketplace, [01:31.880 --> 01:36.040] with Shrem accused of selling more than one million worth of Bitcoins to site users who [01:36.040 --> 01:38.280] bought and sold illegal drugs. [01:38.280 --> 01:45.280] The indictment alleges Shrem was aware of what the Bitcoins were being used to purchase. [01:45.280 --> 01:49.680] A Zumbro Falls, Minnesota resident claims he suffered frostbite after being thrown into [01:49.680 --> 01:54.480] a snowbank by sheriff's deputies and left there for more than a half an hour in freezing [01:54.480 --> 01:55.480] temperatures. [01:55.480 --> 02:00.460] Pelky claims that deputies came into his home, tased him, handcuffed him, and left him outside. [02:00.460 --> 02:03.880] This alleged abuse was not included in the official report. [02:03.880 --> 02:06.960] Come and Take It Austin is a local gun rights activist group. [02:06.960 --> 02:11.080] On February 22nd and the last Saturday of every month, they will be meeting at the corner [02:11.080 --> 02:14.200] of 12th and San Jacinto at the parking garages. [02:14.200 --> 02:18.760] The group will be legally, lawfully, and safely exercising the rights of Texans to openly [02:18.760 --> 02:25.200] carry long guns and or pre-1899 black powder revolvers while educating other citizens on [02:25.200 --> 02:26.480] these rights. [02:26.480 --> 02:32.120] In the state of Texas, open carry long guns are legally permitted and pre-1899 black powder [02:32.120 --> 02:37.640] pieces are not designated as firearms and are exempt from firearm regulations. [02:37.640 --> 02:42.080] Again that's February 22nd at the corner of 12th and San Jacinto. [02:42.080 --> 02:46.320] Support for the Liberty Beat comes from Central Texas Gun Wars, CHL courses, self-defense [02:46.320 --> 02:55.480] training and firearm sales, call them at 512-731-3585 and online at centraltexasgunworks.com. [02:55.480 --> 03:22.880] And from the Food is Free Project, information at foodisfreeproject.com. [03:26.480 --> 03:30.480] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? [03:30.480 --> 03:32.480] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:32.480 --> 03:35.480] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? [03:35.480 --> 03:38.480] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:38.480 --> 03:43.480] When you were eight and you had bad traits, you'd go to school and learn the golden rule. [03:43.480 --> 03:46.480] So why are you acting like a bloody fool? [03:46.480 --> 03:49.480] If you get cocked in your mustard crew! [03:49.480 --> 04:02.480] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? [04:02.480 --> 04:05.480] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [04:05.480 --> 04:08.480] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? [04:08.480 --> 04:11.480] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [04:11.480 --> 04:16.480] You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one, You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father, [04:16.480 --> 04:19.480] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? [04:19.480 --> 04:20.480] Whatcha gonna do? [04:20.480 --> 04:23.480] Okay, okay, the bad boys are here. [04:23.480 --> 04:32.480] Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Ruel Laredo on this Thursday, January the 30th. [04:33.480 --> 04:43.480] Glad everyone's here, and tonight I'm gonna kind of continue talking about something that I've been working on. [04:43.480 --> 04:52.480] I'm putting together a seminar for people with family law issues. [04:52.480 --> 05:01.480] And in doing that, it's caused me to have to back up and go back to the beginning [05:01.480 --> 05:07.480] and try to restructure and reformulate everything that we're doing [05:07.480 --> 05:15.480] in a way that will make sense to someone who's never heard any of it before. [05:15.480 --> 05:20.480] I'm gonna have a room full of people who are in very desperate conditions, [05:20.480 --> 05:25.480] who have their whole life has been ripped out from under them. [05:25.480 --> 05:31.480] This is an area that I hadn't considered a whole lot. [05:31.480 --> 05:38.480] We have another people that call in with family law issues, [05:38.480 --> 05:43.480] and always it's a very traumatic experience for people, [05:43.480 --> 05:46.480] because for the most part you go through their lives, [05:46.480 --> 05:51.480] and you go to school, and you go to civics class, [05:51.480 --> 05:59.480] and they tell you all these stories about the great, wonderful system of law that we live in. [05:59.480 --> 06:03.480] You get out of school, and you have yourself a life, [06:03.480 --> 06:08.480] and everything's going on just fine, and then one day the sky falls in. [06:08.480 --> 06:15.480] And it's bad enough that a long-term relationship [06:15.480 --> 06:25.480] that you had intended to be a lifelong relationship unravels in front of you. [06:25.480 --> 06:34.480] But then you get cast into a legal system that's not anything like you thought it was. [06:34.480 --> 06:43.480] All of your expectations of good faith and fair dealings by your public officials [06:43.480 --> 06:49.480] seem to all get crashed all at the same time. [06:49.480 --> 06:52.480] And you find yourself in this horrible situation, [06:52.480 --> 07:00.480] and especially with a lot of women who are housewives. [07:00.480 --> 07:05.480] They're running the home, taking care of the kids, [07:05.480 --> 07:11.480] and they think everything's going fine, and then things come apart. [07:11.480 --> 07:22.480] And they don't have the work history or the ability to just go out and create an income. [07:22.480 --> 07:29.480] And the husband, if he's specifically, [07:29.480 --> 07:36.480] some are just more vicious and more narcissistic than others, [07:36.480 --> 07:42.480] will often clean out their bank accounts, [07:42.480 --> 07:51.480] do away with all of their liquid assets and available money sources. [07:51.480 --> 07:56.480] Then they'll file for bankruptcy, sorry, file for divorce, [07:56.480 --> 08:01.480] and all of a sudden the wife is left with absolutely nothing. [08:01.480 --> 08:07.480] No resources, no money, no job, still have children to take care of. [08:07.480 --> 08:16.480] And a lot of what I see that comes to me later because things haven't gone well, [08:16.480 --> 08:20.480] so I get the worst of the worst, [08:20.480 --> 08:28.480] is you have women here that their husbands have used the husband's position, [08:28.480 --> 08:32.480] the husband's ability to generate income, [08:32.480 --> 08:41.480] and his ability and his forethought in being ahead of the one against whom he files divorce [08:41.480 --> 08:46.480] to liquidate their accounts and leave the woman in a possible position. [08:46.480 --> 08:53.480] Now he's in a position to go to the courts and try to take everything. [08:53.480 --> 08:59.480] Thus, the woman doesn't have the power to fight back. [08:59.480 --> 09:06.480] Once I talked to a few of these people and I tried to shift into their position, [09:06.480 --> 09:12.480] that is an absolutely impossible position to have to be in. [09:12.480 --> 09:18.480] And I do have difficulty in trying to help these people in these situations [09:18.480 --> 09:23.480] because they are so traumatized. [09:23.480 --> 09:31.480] At first I was frustrated that people just tend to lose their perspective, [09:31.480 --> 09:33.480] but then when I began to talk to these people, [09:33.480 --> 09:40.480] holy mackerel, your whole life just shifts in front of you. [09:40.480 --> 09:53.480] And all of the things that you had held to be permanent and lost the term, [09:53.480 --> 10:00.480] those things that you thought you could always depend on, all of that changes. [10:00.480 --> 10:07.480] You go before a judge who seems totally at odds with you, [10:07.480 --> 10:15.480] and absolutely the opposite of what you had always expected from a judge. [10:15.480 --> 10:22.480] But then when I look at it from, say, the judge's perspective, [10:22.480 --> 10:25.480] what's he supposed to do? [10:25.480 --> 10:30.480] If a family judge does what he's supposed to, [10:30.480 --> 10:35.480] odds are neither side will be happy with it. [10:35.480 --> 10:38.480] So how do we prepare someone? [10:38.480 --> 10:42.480] How do we take someone who's been run over by a truck several times [10:42.480 --> 10:45.480] and feels absolutely defeated? [10:45.480 --> 10:47.480] And how do we empower them? [10:47.480 --> 10:50.480] How do we help them to change directions? [10:50.480 --> 10:53.480] And this is what I'm working on. [10:53.480 --> 10:57.480] If anybody's got any suggestions, give me a call because I could share with you some. [10:57.480 --> 11:05.480] I certainly at this point feel somewhat out of my league. [11:05.480 --> 11:12.480] But in order to construct something that is usable, [11:12.480 --> 11:22.480] I went back to the beginning and tried to consider what I would need to have in place [11:22.480 --> 11:33.480] if I were in the situation they're in in order to be able to adequately adjudicate my case [11:33.480 --> 11:38.480] and deal with the stresses that are coming at me. [11:38.480 --> 11:41.480] I've developed a different way of presenting it. [11:41.480 --> 11:44.480] I've presented bits and pieces here. [11:44.480 --> 11:49.480] I'm trying to get it together so I can present it all in one piece. [11:49.480 --> 11:51.480] I've only got another week to get this ready. [11:51.480 --> 11:55.480] I'm going to start out with telling people that [11:55.480 --> 12:00.480] if you're going to go before any tribunal of this nature, [12:00.480 --> 12:06.480] the first thing obviously we talk about all the time is have to learn the rules. [12:06.480 --> 12:08.480] It's just indispensable. [12:08.480 --> 12:10.480] Learn the rules. [12:10.480 --> 12:12.480] Get jurisdictionary. [12:12.480 --> 12:13.480] Go through jurisdiction. [12:13.480 --> 12:14.480] Yeah, it takes a lot of time. [12:14.480 --> 12:15.480] It takes some time. [12:15.480 --> 12:18.480] It's 24-hour CDs. [12:18.480 --> 12:21.480] Turn off the TV. [12:21.480 --> 12:23.480] Go through the jurisdictionary. [12:23.480 --> 12:29.480] Get the Rules of Civil Procedure, the Texas Family Code. [12:29.480 --> 12:31.480] Read it. [12:31.480 --> 12:32.480] Don't try to understand it. [12:32.480 --> 12:34.480] Just read it. [12:34.480 --> 12:39.480] Those codes that apply to you, primarily these two. [12:39.480 --> 12:43.480] Rules of Civil Procedure is very large, so you don't have to read all of it. [12:43.480 --> 12:49.480] Read the first, oh, 100, 150 pages. [12:49.480 --> 12:52.480] Ninety percent of everything you'll need will be in there. [12:52.480 --> 12:57.480] Do not even bother to try to memorize or understand all your reading. [12:57.480 --> 12:59.480] Just read it. [12:59.480 --> 13:01.480] And then pull up a family code. [13:01.480 --> 13:02.480] Read it. [13:02.480 --> 13:04.480] Family code's not that big. [13:04.480 --> 13:07.480] And all of these codes are in an outline format. [13:07.480 --> 13:12.480] So when you pick up the book, it looks like just an absolute insurmountable task. [13:12.480 --> 13:16.480] But with all the whitespacing on the pages, there's not that much reading. [13:16.480 --> 13:23.480] And a lot of these codes you'll read, and they're really, really specific to peculiar situations. [13:23.480 --> 13:28.480] And you'll recognize relatively quickly that this is not something you're likely to use a lot. [13:28.480 --> 13:34.480] But in the process, you'll see a lot of these that go to exactly what's going on. [13:34.480 --> 13:40.480] The ones that go to what's going on in your circumstances will leap right out at you. [13:40.480 --> 13:43.480] But even then, just read through. [13:43.480 --> 13:49.480] Then go back to the start and read it the second time. [13:49.480 --> 13:57.480] And that's an important thing to do with any code, with any type of legal situation that you're in. [13:57.480 --> 13:59.480] Find the code that applies. [13:59.480 --> 14:02.480] If you're in a full-closure situation, get the property code. [14:02.480 --> 14:05.480] Read the property code. [14:05.480 --> 14:11.480] Always read rules of civil procedure and read whatever code. [14:11.480 --> 14:17.480] If you're in a civil situation, if you're in criminal, read code of criminal procedure and penal code. [14:17.480 --> 14:21.480] Somebody's charged you with a crime, go read that crime. [14:21.480 --> 14:23.480] Find out what it is. [14:23.480 --> 14:25.480] Find out what the elements are. [14:25.480 --> 14:27.480] Read it front to back. [14:27.480 --> 14:38.480] And if you can, find a source for an annotated code, because the annotated code will have all the case law [14:38.480 --> 14:45.480] that addresses the issues, the different aspects of the code. [14:45.480 --> 14:51.480] And if you're accused of committing a specific crime, you can look through the code [14:51.480 --> 14:57.480] and tell the part of the specific criminal statute that tends to apply to you. [14:57.480 --> 15:04.480] And you go down and look in the annotations, and they do have the annotations outlined themselves, [15:04.480 --> 15:09.480] so you can go to the section that applies to you and read the case law. [15:09.480 --> 15:13.480] They'll have little snippets out of the case law that addresses your issue [15:13.480 --> 15:15.480] and says what the courts have told you. [15:15.480 --> 15:20.480] It's a quick way to find the relevant case law. [15:20.480 --> 15:22.480] First thing is read the code. [15:22.480 --> 15:26.480] Second thing, get jurisdictionary. [15:26.480 --> 15:29.480] Go through jurisdictionary. [15:29.480 --> 15:32.480] Now you have a good start. [15:32.480 --> 15:37.480] Then we go to the things that you're not going to find in the book. [15:37.480 --> 15:42.480] And the most important things that you're going to find are not in the book. [15:42.480 --> 15:48.480] And in this instance, you're dealing with primarily with public officials. [15:48.480 --> 15:58.480] And when you go to any public official, be he a judge, a court clerk, anyone, [15:58.480 --> 16:03.480] always follow this one rule. [16:03.480 --> 16:12.480] Never, ever ask a public official to do anything you actually want the official to do. [16:12.480 --> 16:18.480] Reason being is you never ask a public official to do anything [16:18.480 --> 16:25.480] that the official is not specifically required to do. [16:25.480 --> 16:30.480] So that when the official doesn't do what you ask them to do, [16:30.480 --> 16:34.480] you already have him in hand the remedy. [16:34.480 --> 16:39.480] You already have in hand a way to slam the official [16:39.480 --> 16:43.480] when he doesn't do what you ask him to do. [16:43.480 --> 16:46.480] And I'll explain more of that when we get back on the other side. [16:46.480 --> 16:48.480] This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens. [16:48.480 --> 16:53.480] We, with our radio, are calling number 512-646-1984. 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[18:50.480 --> 18:57.480] That's ruleoflawradio.com, or email m-i-c-h-a-e-l-m-i-r-r-a-s at yahoo.com [18:57.480 --> 19:00.480] to learn how to stop debt collectors now. [19:27.480 --> 19:32.480] I know what I don't have an answer. [19:32.480 --> 19:34.480] Open your eyes. [19:34.480 --> 19:37.480] Don't be a expert question. [19:37.480 --> 19:39.480] Let the world begin. [19:39.480 --> 19:42.480] And they don't have an answer. [19:42.480 --> 19:44.480] And so can slip and slide. [19:44.480 --> 19:48.480] They might have no issues, but see, Lord, how they want we can fix it easily. [19:48.480 --> 19:53.480] They might not wait too politically and then get it mad and angry. [19:53.480 --> 19:57.480] Get them up standing up and fight and fight today. [19:57.480 --> 19:58.480] All right. [19:58.480 --> 19:59.480] We are back, folks. [19:59.480 --> 20:04.480] This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. [20:04.480 --> 20:06.480] Eddie Craig is on Monday nights. [20:06.480 --> 20:09.480] Tonight, again, is Thursday, January 30th. [20:09.480 --> 20:14.480] And before we go to our callers, we've got Jeff and Bruce on the line. [20:14.480 --> 20:19.480] More callers if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984. [20:19.480 --> 20:24.480] And I wanted to just kind of follow up on a couple things that Randy was mentioning just now, [20:24.480 --> 20:28.480] talking about jurisdictionary, very crucial, very crucial. [20:28.480 --> 20:34.480] It's mainly about the federal courts, but the principles apply to the state court system. [20:34.480 --> 20:39.480] And it's just an excellent learning tool to learn how to navigate through the court system in general. [20:39.480 --> 20:45.480] And, folks, to get jurisdictionary and to help Logos Radio Network and rule of law, [20:45.480 --> 20:51.480] you can purchase jurisdictionary off of the logosradionetwork.com website. 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[21:33.480 --> 21:38.480] But this fundraising drive, our annual fundraising drive, is ending tomorrow. [21:38.480 --> 21:43.480] So after midnight, tomorrow night, you guys and gals out there won't have to listen to us, [21:43.480 --> 21:48.480] you know, hounding y'all for money anymore, at least for not another year or so. [21:48.480 --> 21:54.480] So please get, while the getting is good, folks out there, especially with Colloidal Silver, [21:54.480 --> 21:59.480] last Thursday night we did a preemption of this show and of Tom Kiley's [21:59.480 --> 22:03.480] to send you live coverage from Brave New Books. [22:03.480 --> 22:05.480] Ben Fuchs, many of y'all listen to his show. [22:05.480 --> 22:08.480] It's every weekday morning on the GCN network at 10 a.m. [22:08.480 --> 22:14.480] You can also go to brightsideben.com, look up his show, listen to the archives. [22:14.480 --> 22:19.480] I listen to him every day, very informative on health issues. [22:19.480 --> 22:23.480] And so he was at Brave New Books and the event opened with Dr. Laura Pressley [22:23.480 --> 22:27.480] talking about smart meters and how to opt out of them here in Austin. [22:27.480 --> 22:32.480] And then we had Gary Hanna of Nature's Pure Organics [22:32.480 --> 22:36.480] talked about his five blend clay that he's got going on. [22:36.480 --> 22:39.480] You can order that at naturespureorganics.com. [22:39.480 --> 22:41.480] We are actually bringing him on the network as a host. [22:41.480 --> 22:43.480] He's going to be talking about health related issues as well. [22:43.480 --> 22:47.480] And then I gave a presentation on Colloidal Silver. [22:47.480 --> 22:49.480] It was a little bit disjointed. [22:49.480 --> 22:51.480] It's a work in progress. [22:51.480 --> 22:54.480] I wasn't exactly planning on giving that presentation that night, [22:54.480 --> 22:58.480] so it was kind of a little bit got sprung on me. [22:58.480 --> 23:03.480] I was asked, other people insisted that I do it because the information is so crucial. [23:03.480 --> 23:07.480] So you can learn exactly about how Colloidal Silver works, [23:07.480 --> 23:10.480] how it cures cancer, gets rid of cancer I would say, [23:10.480 --> 23:17.480] and how it gets rid of pathogenic infections, viruses, bacteria, fungus, you name it. [23:17.480 --> 23:21.480] It doesn't harm healthy tissue, doesn't kill off intestinal flora. [23:21.480 --> 23:26.480] So you can hear all about how it works by listening to the archive from last Thursday's show. [23:26.480 --> 23:28.480] I did that presentation, and then Ben came on. [23:28.480 --> 23:31.480] And so speaking of Colloidal Silver, [23:31.480 --> 23:36.480] we are offering some Colloidal Silver gifts and Ionic Silver gifts [23:36.480 --> 23:40.480] on our website with various levels of donations. [23:40.480 --> 23:45.480] So it's that time of year, the flu and bug season and all that. [23:45.480 --> 23:48.480] So I know you folks out there need it. [23:48.480 --> 23:52.480] You're going to be buying it anyway, and you're not going to get a better price. [23:52.480 --> 23:58.480] You're not going to get more or higher quality or better Colloidal Silver and Ionic Silver for your money [23:58.480 --> 24:03.480] other than through Larry Wiest with his silver lungs generator. [24:03.480 --> 24:08.480] So that's how he makes his, and so we're offering the Colloidal Silver and the Ionic Silver. [24:08.480 --> 24:12.480] You're going to get a lot more than you would if you bought it in a store, [24:12.480 --> 24:15.480] and it's a lot higher quality, so just consider it a purchase. [24:15.480 --> 24:18.480] But it's actually, you know, technically not a purchase. [24:18.480 --> 24:21.480] It's a donation to the network, and then you get a gift of the Colloidal and Ionic Silver. [24:21.480 --> 24:28.480] And, of course, we have our gifts from our artisan Martin Fry here, local artisan, the Liberty Scrolls. [24:28.480 --> 24:32.480] So you can read more about that on logosradionetwork.com. [24:32.480 --> 24:38.480] And, of course, for every $25 donation, you will get your name entered into the drawing one time. [24:38.480 --> 24:41.480] So $100 donation will get you four entries. [24:41.480 --> 24:44.480] And, of course, tomorrow's the deadline. [24:44.480 --> 24:49.480] Again, folks, if you've been on the fence about getting Eddie's traffic seminar, [24:49.480 --> 24:54.480] you will get your name, if you buy Eddie's traffic seminar by tomorrow at midnight, [24:54.480 --> 25:00.480] you will get your name entered 10 times into the drawing because it's a $250 class. [25:00.480 --> 25:02.480] You get 10 entries in the drawing. [25:02.480 --> 25:03.480] And, folks, listen. [25:03.480 --> 25:11.480] One thing that we try to impress upon people all the time is this is not just infotainment, okay? [25:11.480 --> 25:17.480] So many people come to us for help after they're already in trouble [25:17.480 --> 25:21.480] or after they've already tried to do things and figure it out on their own [25:21.480 --> 25:27.480] and then they screw up the case and then want us to try to help them figure out how to backpedal. [25:27.480 --> 25:28.480] And, folks, listen. [25:28.480 --> 25:32.480] You don't want to wait until you already have a traffic ticket [25:32.480 --> 25:36.480] or you're already getting sued by a debt collector or you're already in a divorce, [25:36.480 --> 25:42.480] like what, you know, what Randy was talking about earlier, a custody case or worse, some kind of criminal case. [25:42.480 --> 25:46.480] You don't want to wait, all right, until you get in trouble. [25:46.480 --> 25:49.480] You need to start learning these tools ahead of time. [25:49.480 --> 25:54.480] And, especially with a jurisdiction course, it's made so that an eighth grader can understand it. [25:54.480 --> 25:55.480] Anybody can understand it, really. [25:55.480 --> 25:58.480] It's, this stuff is not that hard. [25:58.480 --> 26:03.480] And it's, these tools are not just in the event that you might get in trouble someday, [26:03.480 --> 26:07.480] that somebody might sue you or you might get divorced or you might get a traffic ticket. [26:07.480 --> 26:10.480] This is for empowerment, okay? [26:10.480 --> 26:16.480] If we're going to take back this country and take back our freedom, we have got to be proactive, okay? [26:16.480 --> 26:21.480] And that means we've got to be filing lawsuits, okay, against these rogues, all right? [26:21.480 --> 26:29.480] We've got to be taking it into the courts ourselves, you know, issue at hand, fluoride in the water, all over the place. [26:29.480 --> 26:32.480] It's very difficult to make headway with these city councils. [26:32.480 --> 26:37.480] So, basically, it gets to the point where you just got to sue them, you know, [26:37.480 --> 26:43.480] and these banks and the mortgage, you know, these mortgage fraud people, [26:43.480 --> 26:45.480] it's like they don't pay attention to anything by lawsuit. [26:45.480 --> 26:49.480] You know, these debt collectors, they don't pay attention to anything by lawsuit, all right? [26:49.480 --> 26:54.480] And so, we, the point of learning all this material and learning these techniques and these tools [26:54.480 --> 26:58.480] isn't just in the event that you might need it on a defensive matter. [26:58.480 --> 27:04.480] This is so that we can be empowered to take back our freedom and do what we need to do. [27:04.480 --> 27:09.480] So, you may need to sue somebody someday for something, more than just small claims court. [27:09.480 --> 27:16.480] So, this is a proactive approach of being empowered to exercise our liberty and freedom [27:16.480 --> 27:20.480] and to put it into the madness and to do things that we need to do in life. [27:20.480 --> 27:24.480] So, please get your dictionary, get the Mike Mears method [27:24.480 --> 27:30.480] before you get in trouble with your debt collectors, before you get sued. [27:30.480 --> 27:32.480] Now, if you've already been sued by a debt collector, [27:32.480 --> 27:37.480] the Mike Mears method will help you put a stop to those lawsuits. [27:37.480 --> 27:41.480] And basically, the way that works is you set them up for a federal lawsuit, [27:41.480 --> 27:45.480] and then as part of the settlement agreement in the federal lawsuit, [27:45.480 --> 27:49.480] you make them agree to drop their state case. [27:49.480 --> 27:53.480] And if they already have a judgment against you, then as part of the agreement, [27:53.480 --> 27:58.480] you force them to vacate and void the judgment against you in the state court. [27:58.480 --> 28:00.480] So, there's lots of techniques, lots of ways. [28:00.480 --> 28:04.480] You've got the Mike Mears method, you've got jurisdictionary, you've got Eddie's traffic seminar. [28:04.480 --> 28:11.480] And for folks that buy any of these courses, well, I can't say that for Mike Mears or jurisdictionary. [28:11.480 --> 28:12.480] They are a separate entity. [28:12.480 --> 28:17.480] But for folks that buy Eddie's traffic course, you get 10 entries into the gun drawing. [28:17.480 --> 28:20.480] And so, anyways, get in on the colloidal silver. [28:20.480 --> 28:22.480] Get told tomorrow night at midnight. [28:22.480 --> 28:30.480] And I guess that's about all I had tonight for the shameless plugging of our fundraiser, Randy. [28:30.480 --> 28:36.480] Okay. Yes, I had experience with colloidal silver. [28:36.480 --> 28:38.480] And frankly, I was amazed. [28:38.480 --> 28:44.480] I was a couple of years ago by a brown recluse on the back of my hand. [28:44.480 --> 28:51.480] And Deborah would testify to the fact that it was absolutely horrible looking. [28:51.480 --> 28:54.480] We thought we were going to have to take him to the hospital, really. [28:54.480 --> 28:57.480] I mean, it was getting so bad, we thought it was. [28:57.480 --> 29:01.480] I was afraid that they were actually going to have to, like, amputate a finger or something. [29:01.480 --> 29:06.480] Because the infection was running rampant. [29:06.480 --> 29:09.480] And I've had a lot of good results with colloidal silver myself. [29:09.480 --> 29:11.480] Anyway, go ahead, Randy. [29:11.480 --> 29:14.480] I kept colloidal silver on it now, though. [29:14.480 --> 29:21.480] If you look at the back of my hand now, it is absolutely impossible to tell where it was. [29:21.480 --> 29:24.480] It was a spot an inch around. [29:24.480 --> 29:28.480] It was just totally raw meat, swelled up about three quarters of an inch. [29:28.480 --> 29:30.480] It was ugly. [29:30.480 --> 29:34.480] Completely gone, not even far. [29:34.480 --> 29:39.480] We did take up a whole segment on that. [29:39.480 --> 29:42.480] And Jeff, Bruce, I see you there. [29:42.480 --> 29:44.480] We'll come back on the other side. [29:44.480 --> 29:48.480] I did want to go through just a little bit more about that first part. [29:48.480 --> 29:53.480] And before you ever ask a public official to do what you want them to do, [29:53.480 --> 29:55.480] and then we'll go to call. [29:55.480 --> 29:57.480] If you're ready to help Deborah Stevens, we will. [29:57.480 --> 30:00.480] Radio, you'll be right there. [30:00.480 --> 30:03.480] Yahoo! [30:03.480 --> 30:05.480] Do you Yahoo? [30:05.480 --> 30:07.480] Well, maybe not anymore. 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[31:58.480 --> 32:02.480] Go to RememberBuilding7.org today. [32:02.480 --> 32:05.480] Rule of Law Radio is proud to offer the Rule of Law traffic seminar [32:05.480 --> 32:06.480] in today's America. [32:06.480 --> 32:07.480] We live in an us-against-them society. [32:07.480 --> 32:10.480] And if we, the people, are ever going to have a free society, [32:10.480 --> 32:12.480] then we're going to have to stand and defend our own rights. [32:12.480 --> 32:15.480] Among those rights are the right to travel freely from place to place, [32:15.480 --> 32:17.480] the right to act in our own private capacity, [32:17.480 --> 32:19.480] and most importantly, the right to due process of law. [32:19.480 --> 32:22.480] Traffic courts afford us the least expensive opportunity [32:22.480 --> 32:25.480] to learn how to enforce and preserve our rights through due process. [32:25.480 --> 32:28.480] Former Sheriff's Deputy A. 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[32:54.480 --> 32:57.480] Order your copy today, and together we can have the free society [32:57.480 --> 33:02.480] we all want and deserve. [33:02.480 --> 33:11.480] Live, free speech radio, logosradionetwork.com. [33:11.480 --> 33:40.480] Okay, we are back. [33:40.480 --> 33:43.480] Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, [33:43.480 --> 33:50.480] and I spent a lot of time in that first segment kind of leading up to something, [33:50.480 --> 33:58.480] but the first thing that we need to know and understand after learning the rules, [33:58.480 --> 34:00.480] if you don't know the rules, you can't play the game, [34:00.480 --> 34:04.480] and learning how the system works. [34:04.480 --> 34:13.480] When we go into a courtroom, we go in, if we're not trained and not knowledgeable, [34:13.480 --> 34:20.480] we go in with the presupposition that in courts in this country, we speak English. [34:20.480 --> 34:26.480] You know, there's been a lot of huff and puffing about English as the official language, [34:26.480 --> 34:30.480] and people complaining about having to know Spanish, [34:30.480 --> 34:33.480] and they're putting a lot of things in Spanish now, [34:33.480 --> 34:38.480] and everybody's saying English should be the primary language. [34:38.480 --> 34:44.480] Well, we go into court thinking we're speaking English, we're doing no such thing. [34:44.480 --> 34:51.480] We're speaking something that sounds a whole lot like English, so it can be deceptive. [34:51.480 --> 34:57.480] It can deceive you into thinking that the words that you are using [34:57.480 --> 35:05.480] have the same meaning in this tribunal or this situation as it does out there in the normal world [35:05.480 --> 35:09.480] that we spend most of our time in. [35:09.480 --> 35:17.480] What the courts and the lawyers won't tell you is that nothing could be farther from the truth. [35:17.480 --> 35:25.480] Learn the language of law, those terms you use, be cautious with them. [35:25.480 --> 35:30.480] If you cannot define a term, and I'm not talking about the conjunctions [35:30.480 --> 35:38.480] and the standard pronouns and connecting words, but the primary nouns, [35:38.480 --> 35:43.480] make sure you know what they mean in court. [35:43.480 --> 35:50.480] If you hear a lawyer talking sometimes and he uses words that you're familiar with, [35:50.480 --> 35:53.480] but it doesn't seem to make sense where he's going, [35:53.480 --> 35:58.480] you need to stop and ask the lawyer to explain the terms. [35:58.480 --> 36:04.480] One of the things I like to do in court is ask the judge to instruct counsel, [36:04.480 --> 36:12.480] since on pro se, to instruct counsel to define any term that he uses [36:12.480 --> 36:21.480] that has a meaning in the common tongue and a different meaning in legalese. [36:21.480 --> 36:28.480] Ask him to define the term and specify which meaning he intends in the circumstance [36:28.480 --> 36:30.480] so you know what he's talking about. [36:30.480 --> 36:35.480] It is really important to be able to speak the language. [36:35.480 --> 36:39.480] But when you go into court, what I talked about first was [36:39.480 --> 36:46.480] never ask a public official to do anything that you really want him to do [36:46.480 --> 36:52.480] that you'll be surprised at how that will change your whole perspective. [36:52.480 --> 36:55.480] I went into a court today, and it was an eviction hearing, [36:55.480 --> 36:58.480] and I talked to the representative from the other side, [36:58.480 --> 37:03.480] and I talked to her about how we can make some kind of deal to keep this person in the property. [37:03.480 --> 37:08.480] She said, well, I still have to demand that they evict him at this hearing, [37:08.480 --> 37:12.480] and I told her, oh, who cares? We don't really care what you do here. [37:12.480 --> 37:16.480] And the reason for that is I don't care what she does. [37:16.480 --> 37:20.480] Anything she does, we have a remedy. [37:20.480 --> 37:25.480] When I go to a judge and ask the judge to do something, I don't care what he does. [37:25.480 --> 37:32.480] He can do what I ask him to, or I will visit consequences on him, [37:32.480 --> 37:40.480] because before I asked him to do something, I made sure that he was required to do it [37:40.480 --> 37:48.480] so that I would also look up what is my remedy when the judge fails. [37:48.480 --> 37:53.480] If you go through Jurisdictionary, Dr. Graves will keep telling you [37:53.480 --> 38:02.480] about how the trial court is merely there to set the record for appeal. [38:02.480 --> 38:11.480] If you pay close attention to that, that will protect you from this feeling of being overwhelmed, [38:11.480 --> 38:19.480] from this feeling that everything's going wrong and you're betrayed. [38:19.480 --> 38:27.480] The biggest thing is betrayal, because you expect the judge to do what you believe is the right thing, [38:27.480 --> 38:31.480] but then the other side expects him to do the same thing. [38:31.480 --> 38:36.480] And when he doesn't do what you believe to be the right thing, you feel like he has done the wrong thing. [38:36.480 --> 38:39.480] Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. [38:39.480 --> 38:46.480] But if you have an expectation that he will rule in your favor and he doesn't, [38:46.480 --> 38:58.480] then you will come away with a feeling of being mistreated, betrayed, or just disregarded. [38:58.480 --> 39:02.480] If you listen to our show, you hear people call him, you will hear that a lot. [39:02.480 --> 39:04.480] You will hear the tone in their voice. [39:04.480 --> 39:11.480] In order to protect yourselves from that, remember the judge has two duties. [39:11.480 --> 39:14.480] He must determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence, [39:14.480 --> 39:19.480] then apply the law as it comes to him to the facts in the case. [39:19.480 --> 39:27.480] And as a public official, he may only do what he is specifically authorized to do. [39:27.480 --> 39:31.480] If he does anything else, he is exceeding his authority. [39:31.480 --> 39:36.480] When you go to the court, he must determine the facts, [39:36.480 --> 39:42.480] then apply the rules as it comes to him to the facts in the case. [39:42.480 --> 39:46.480] Really, really important to understand that. [39:46.480 --> 39:52.480] You can go to the court and give them the most convincing arguments. [39:52.480 --> 39:59.480] Give them all of the facts of your situation and tell them why it would be right and just [39:59.480 --> 40:02.480] for the judge to do what you're asking him to do. [40:02.480 --> 40:10.480] The judge may agree with you, and he may want to give you the ruling that you're asking for. [40:10.480 --> 40:16.480] But if you haven't given the judge facts, facts in the form of testimony, [40:16.480 --> 40:23.480] facts in the form of evidence entered into the court in accordance with the rules of evidence, [40:23.480 --> 40:32.480] and then law, the law as it applies to those facts, he cannot rule in your favor [40:32.480 --> 40:40.480] if the other side has given him facts in law that lead to a different decision. [40:40.480 --> 40:48.480] You have to state everything in terms of facts, then apply the law to those facts. [40:48.480 --> 40:55.480] Go pull up any case law, the best ones are Supreme Court cases, [40:55.480 --> 40:59.480] and read the decisions of the court. [40:59.480 --> 41:05.480] You will find that they'll have a paragraph, they'll state a sentence, [41:05.480 --> 41:08.480] and then that sentence will be followed by a case citation, [41:08.480 --> 41:12.480] and then another sentence and followed by a case citation. [41:12.480 --> 41:22.480] That is a perfect example of never make a proactive statement of law out of your own mouth. [41:22.480 --> 41:27.480] Always make proactive statements of law out of the mouth of the courts. [41:27.480 --> 41:32.480] And that's what they're doing, they're saying this is the case, [41:32.480 --> 41:37.480] and this is the court case that made this the case, and this here is the next case. [41:37.480 --> 41:42.480] Go through all of the facts of the case and how they're reading those facts [41:42.480 --> 41:48.480] and adjudicating those facts, and they're doing that based on this law. [41:48.480 --> 41:55.480] If you present anything to the court in any other way, the court cannot hear you. [41:55.480 --> 41:58.480] They cannot rule in your favor. [41:58.480 --> 42:00.480] Okay, I'm not going to pursue that. [42:00.480 --> 42:05.480] We've got a couple of callers, and I don't want to hold them too long. [42:05.480 --> 42:10.480] I'm going to go to calls right now, and we have Bruce, who is on topic. [42:10.480 --> 42:11.480] So I'll go to Bruce first. [42:11.480 --> 42:12.480] Jeff, you stay there. [42:12.480 --> 42:14.480] I want to spend some time with you. [42:14.480 --> 42:17.480] Okay, hello, Bruce. [42:17.480 --> 42:18.480] Good evening, Randy. [42:18.480 --> 42:20.480] How are you? [42:20.480 --> 42:22.480] I am good. [42:22.480 --> 42:24.480] What do you have for us tonight? [42:24.480 --> 42:30.480] I missed a lot of your dissertation that you started out with family courts, [42:30.480 --> 42:35.480] but of course it was enough to make me dial. [42:35.480 --> 42:47.480] Maybe you could give me your thoughts as to how due process happens in no-fault divorce. [42:47.480 --> 42:48.480] Wait a minute. [42:48.480 --> 42:49.480] Say that again. [42:49.480 --> 42:51.480] I'm having a little trouble understanding you. [42:51.480 --> 42:52.480] All right. [42:52.480 --> 43:02.480] I just wondered what your thoughts were as to how due process was involved with a no-fault divorce. [43:02.480 --> 43:08.480] That is kind of a really open-ended question. [43:08.480 --> 43:10.480] This really goes to contract law. [43:10.480 --> 43:13.480] It doesn't go to due process. [43:13.480 --> 43:22.480] Due process involves a court or a public official or agency exercising [43:22.480 --> 43:29.480] or purporting to exercise an authority that infringes on the rights of a citizen. [43:29.480 --> 43:34.480] In this case, with a no-fault divorce, you're really entering into a contract [43:34.480 --> 43:37.480] and simply asking the court to approve it. [43:37.480 --> 43:41.480] And I'll address a little more on that when we come back on the other side, [43:41.480 --> 43:44.480] because the judge will have to do more than just approve it. [43:44.480 --> 43:50.480] He has to make sure it's fair and even on both sides. [43:50.480 --> 43:51.480] Hang on. [43:51.480 --> 43:53.480] Randy Carlton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. [43:53.480 --> 43:57.480] I'll call the number, 512-646-1984. [43:57.480 --> 44:00.480] We'll be right back. [44:00.480 --> 44:02.480] My name is Jessica Arman. [44:02.480 --> 44:05.480] I'm an activist, a GCN listener, and mother of three. 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[46:19.480 --> 46:22.480] Randy Kelton, Debbie Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. [46:22.480 --> 46:28.480] And Bruce, I had to think about that a minute to really formulate how to answer. [46:28.480 --> 46:34.480] So the break was serendipitous. [46:34.480 --> 46:37.480] It was something. [46:37.480 --> 46:38.480] A no-fault divorce. [46:38.480 --> 46:44.480] You have two people who may or may not know anything about law, [46:44.480 --> 46:48.480] primarily in this case, contract law. [46:48.480 --> 46:52.480] One thing a lot of times they don't understand is what's consumable [46:52.480 --> 46:54.480] and what's unconscionable. [46:54.480 --> 47:01.480] What leads to negative outcomes in a divorce situation and what doesn't? [47:01.480 --> 47:04.480] The judge will go through these things all the time. [47:04.480 --> 47:06.480] He has to look at lots of them, [47:06.480 --> 47:14.480] and when the judge looks at one of these no-fault divorce proceedings, [47:14.480 --> 47:23.480] he has to determine if the contract is fair and enforceable. [47:23.480 --> 47:29.480] If there are children involved, that's an even larger issue [47:29.480 --> 47:37.480] because what most parents don't understand is the judge is not going to give a hoot about you [47:37.480 --> 47:44.480] or your spouse in a divorce situation where there are children involved. [47:44.480 --> 47:52.480] His first and primary priority will be what he believes is right for the children, [47:52.480 --> 47:58.480] and there's almost nothing you're going to be able to do to change that. [47:58.480 --> 48:08.480] Anything that just bothers you and you don't like and doesn't positively affect the children, [48:08.480 --> 48:12.480] you are not likely to get it. [48:12.480 --> 48:17.480] So he's going to be primarily concerned with the children and the welfare of the children, [48:17.480 --> 48:25.480] and then he's going to be concerned with the evenness and balance of the contract. [48:25.480 --> 48:31.480] If one party is asking for a concession [48:31.480 --> 48:36.480] and nothing is granted back to the other party for giving that concession, [48:36.480 --> 48:39.480] the court's going to call that unconscionable. [48:39.480 --> 48:47.480] It's unconscionable for one party in a contract to get a benefit to the detriment of the other party, [48:47.480 --> 48:51.480] and the other party doesn't get a corresponding benefit. [48:51.480 --> 48:53.480] Does that make sense, Bruce? [48:53.480 --> 48:58.480] Well, it's interesting that you bring up the term contract. [48:58.480 --> 49:02.480] Actually, I'm assisting someone in Connecticut right now. [49:02.480 --> 49:11.480] It's not Dan Rail, but the Connecticut judiciary has stated that marriage is not a contract. [49:11.480 --> 49:20.480] So I did ask this question of the judge if this is a civil action, [49:20.480 --> 49:24.480] is it in the nature of a contract dispute or a tort? [49:24.480 --> 49:30.480] And the only answer I could get is it's a family court dispute. [49:30.480 --> 49:32.480] Well, it's not a tort. [49:32.480 --> 49:35.480] There's no tort involved here. [49:35.480 --> 49:41.480] A tort is specific as opposed to a cause of action. [49:41.480 --> 49:48.480] A cause of action can be a contractual violation. [49:48.480 --> 49:54.480] For the most part, all your causes of action have already been defined by the courts. [49:54.480 --> 49:57.480] They're kind of like criminal statutes. [49:57.480 --> 50:03.480] Criminal statutes are causes of action of a criminal nature, which the state gets to claim. [50:03.480 --> 50:08.480] If you go into a civil court, because all cases are essentially civil, [50:08.480 --> 50:16.480] criminal is a special section in the civil proceedings. [50:16.480 --> 50:23.480] But everything goes to torts and causes of action. [50:23.480 --> 50:30.480] But in a divorce proceeding, there's not necessarily a cause of action [50:30.480 --> 50:36.480] because no one is really claiming harm against the other. [50:36.480 --> 50:41.480] And there aren't necessarily any torts, because a tort goes to the same thing. [50:41.480 --> 50:49.480] You'd have to say, this person harmed me, a tort is where if I'm driving in the car and you back into me. [50:49.480 --> 50:56.480] We don't have a contract to have a contract dispute in the terms of causes of actions. [50:56.480 --> 51:01.480] So this is just something that occurred and I've been harmed. [51:01.480 --> 51:02.480] That's a tort. [51:02.480 --> 51:05.480] I can claim harm against you without having a contract. [51:05.480 --> 51:07.480] But this is a divorce proceeding. [51:07.480 --> 51:10.480] It's neither one of those. [51:10.480 --> 51:17.480] In terms of the divorce decree, that's a contract. [51:17.480 --> 51:22.480] Both parties are entering into an agreement. [51:22.480 --> 51:26.480] Both parties need to agree to that agreement. [51:26.480 --> 51:27.480] Pardon me? [51:27.480 --> 51:32.480] Both parties need to sign an agreement to that. [51:32.480 --> 51:34.480] Yes, so it's an agreement. [51:34.480 --> 51:37.480] That's in the form of a contract. [51:37.480 --> 51:41.480] It has to be equitable for both sides. [51:41.480 --> 51:43.480] It has to be fair and equitable for both sides. [51:43.480 --> 51:47.480] And that's what the judge will try to adjudicate. [51:47.480 --> 51:50.480] And in divorce proceedings, in family law proceedings, [51:50.480 --> 51:56.480] he has the final say on whether or not the contract can be approved. [51:56.480 --> 51:58.480] Does that answer your question? [51:58.480 --> 52:03.480] Well, I kind of have you at a disadvantage here and I'm kind of poorly prepared for this, [52:03.480 --> 52:08.480] but you did light my fuse about the family issues here. [52:08.480 --> 52:13.480] 28 U.S.C. Subsection 1331, Federal Questions. [52:13.480 --> 52:17.480] The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of all civil actions arising [52:17.480 --> 52:22.480] under the Constitution laws for the release of the United States. [52:22.480 --> 52:29.480] There is a case now in the Second Circuit, which would also encompass Connecticut, [52:29.480 --> 52:36.480] which is Ashmore v. New York, depending on the Supreme Court to docket 12-1181. [52:36.480 --> 52:41.480] And the question submitted to the court is whether parties may bring challenges [52:41.480 --> 52:50.480] to the constitutionality of state domestic relation laws pursuant to Subsection 1331 [52:50.480 --> 52:54.480] if no release in the form of appellate review of a state court judgment is thought, [52:54.480 --> 52:59.480] and whether the expert opinion based on hearsay statements of third parties [52:59.480 --> 53:04.480] is admissible as testimonial evidence. [53:04.480 --> 53:08.480] I mean, it's going to be a very interesting thing since we have no false divorce [53:08.480 --> 53:11.480] and there really isn't any cause of action. [53:11.480 --> 53:15.480] So, you know, so you can say. [53:15.480 --> 53:21.480] Well, I'm not sure exactly where that goes to because you're speaking [53:21.480 --> 53:28.480] to the constitutionality of a statute as it applies to family relations. [53:28.480 --> 53:29.480] Right. [53:29.480 --> 53:33.480] That's different than a divorce proceedings. [53:33.480 --> 53:37.480] Well, it's kind of a statutory finding because it's a statutory court, right? [53:37.480 --> 53:44.480] There's no contract and there's no tort. [53:44.480 --> 53:47.480] I'm not sure where you're going. [53:47.480 --> 53:51.480] Well, I'm not sure either. [53:51.480 --> 53:53.480] I mean, yeah, there's no tort. [53:53.480 --> 53:58.480] There's no cause of action for the most part. [53:58.480 --> 54:02.480] Someone can come in and claim harm. [54:02.480 --> 54:06.480] But if they come in claiming harm, then it's not no fault. [54:06.480 --> 54:11.480] I mean, it's not an agreed divorce. [54:11.480 --> 54:18.480] Could you explain the difference between a no fault divorce state and another form of divorce? [54:18.480 --> 54:26.480] Because this is clearly not my area. [54:26.480 --> 54:27.480] Are you still there, Bruce? [54:27.480 --> 54:32.480] Yes, it's the convoluted area and I don't believe that there's anything to call it [54:32.480 --> 54:39.480] other than a statutory court and go from there. [54:39.480 --> 54:41.480] Okay. [54:41.480 --> 54:42.480] Well, let me move on. [54:42.480 --> 54:46.480] I have other callers and I really don't know how to address this further. [54:46.480 --> 54:48.480] All right. [54:48.480 --> 54:49.480] Okay. [54:49.480 --> 54:50.480] Thank you, Bruce. [54:50.480 --> 54:51.480] Okay. [54:51.480 --> 54:55.480] Now we're going to go to Jeff in Mississippi. [54:55.480 --> 54:56.480] Hey, Wayne. [54:56.480 --> 54:59.480] Jeff, how is your appeal going? [54:59.480 --> 55:01.480] Let me bring everybody up to speed. [55:01.480 --> 55:12.480] Jeff was starting to college and instead of putting him in a dorm on campus, they put him in an apartment complex off campus. [55:12.480 --> 55:17.480] And since it was off campus, he got the impression that it was off campus. [55:17.480 --> 55:20.480] But they had the impression that it was on campus and he brought a rifle in. [55:20.480 --> 55:29.480] And I guess with all these on campus shootings, everybody got real excited and he was charged with bringing a weapon on campus. [55:29.480 --> 55:30.480] Yes. [55:30.480 --> 55:32.480] Do you want to pick up from there, Jeff? [55:32.480 --> 55:33.480] Yes. [55:33.480 --> 55:36.480] I was charged, convicted, did a year in prison. [55:36.480 --> 55:42.480] And I got out of prison and ran over to City Hall and got the land title. [55:42.480 --> 55:46.480] And the land title says that the apartments are private property. [55:46.480 --> 55:51.480] Also, when doing that, I found out that I never had a grand jury hearing. [55:51.480 --> 55:59.480] So when I last called you, I sent both of those pieces of information to my appeals attorney. [55:59.480 --> 56:01.480] I have a public defender appeals attorney. [56:01.480 --> 56:03.480] She was assigned to me in prison. [56:03.480 --> 56:10.480] And so I sent her a letter with the copies of this is the land title, hey, this place is private property. [56:10.480 --> 56:14.480] And I have a letter from the court saying that there are no minutes from the grand jury. [56:14.480 --> 56:21.480] So I said, please file these because I never had a grand jury hearing and the apartments are private property. [56:21.480 --> 56:26.480] And she wrote back a letter saying, I'm not going to file these for you. [56:26.480 --> 56:27.480] I've already done my brief. [56:27.480 --> 56:28.480] It's too late. [56:28.480 --> 56:31.480] You can file them yourself. [56:31.480 --> 56:34.480] And that's where I'm at. [56:34.480 --> 56:36.480] Did you file them? [56:36.480 --> 56:40.480] I wrote and tried to file them. [56:40.480 --> 56:48.480] I wrote the clerk of the court for the appeals and wrote her a letter saying, if you don't file these, I will bring you up on criminal charges. [56:48.480 --> 56:50.480] And she never filed them. [56:50.480 --> 56:51.480] Okay. [56:51.480 --> 57:05.480] File a petition for writ of mandamus with the court of appeals, ask them to direct the court, the clerk to accept new evidence into the record. [57:05.480 --> 57:11.480] Evidence that was only discovered after the conviction and after you were released. [57:11.480 --> 57:17.480] This almost goes to habeas. [57:17.480 --> 57:21.480] No, this goes to mandamus. [57:21.480 --> 57:22.480] Okay. [57:22.480 --> 57:25.480] Did you bargrieve your lawyer? [57:25.480 --> 57:26.480] Yes. [57:26.480 --> 57:27.480] That's funny. [57:27.480 --> 57:31.480] I've bargrieved my attorney and I was going to bargrieve her again. [57:31.480 --> 57:39.480] The Mississippi State Bar requires for them to send you the original forms to bargrieve. [57:39.480 --> 57:44.480] They put a little red dot on them and you have to stay with the original form. [57:44.480 --> 57:51.480] They are now refusing to send me forms because I've filed so many bar grievances. [57:51.480 --> 57:59.480] Well, that could also go to a mandamus and ask the court of appeals to direct. [57:59.480 --> 58:04.480] Since you're in the court of appeals, this kind of goes to a political thing. [58:04.480 --> 58:05.480] Hang on. [58:05.480 --> 58:08.480] We'll talk about this when we come back on the other side. [58:08.480 --> 58:12.480] That really brings an interesting issue. [58:12.480 --> 58:14.480] How many bar grievances have you filed? [58:14.480 --> 58:17.480] Twenty. [58:17.480 --> 58:18.480] That's all? [58:18.480 --> 58:19.480] That's all. [58:19.480 --> 58:22.480] That's it. 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[01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.480] You can file a mandamus, you can file a petition for writ of mandamus, [01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.480] but what I'm saying is that you're probably not going to get it [01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.480] unless you can show that you've exhausted all your other remedies first. [01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.480] They're just not going to grant a mandamus [01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:12.480] unless all other remedies have been exhausted. [01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.480] That's just the fact of the matter. [01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.480] Okay. [01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.480] And I didn't expect them to grant the mandamus. [01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:20.480] That really wasn't the reason. [01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.480] I said it was political. [01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:28.480] This is a way for you to go to the Court of Appeals [01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:33.480] and notify them that you have exculpatory evidence, [01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:37.480] new evidence to present to the court, [01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:42.480] and your lawyer is refusing to present it and directed you to file it yourself. [01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.480] And the clerk is denying you access to the court. [01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:47.480] Yeah. [01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:49.480] And the appeals court's going to look at this and say, [01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:51.480] what the heck is going on here, guys? [01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:55.480] And they're going to call this lawyer and say, what the heck is going on? [01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.480] You're supposed to be adjudicating this case. [01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:59.480] Why is the client adjudicating this case? [01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.480] Kate, you control your client. [01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:06.480] Now the lawyer is on notice. [01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.480] Okay. [01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:11.480] So that if you have to come back after him, you sue the lawyer. [01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.480] But in talking about this on the break, it became clear to me, [01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.480] this goes to habeas corpus. [01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:19.480] All right. [01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:23.480] You should file a habeas corpus and move to get the whole thing thrown out. [01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:28.480] And that you can file with the Court of Appeals. [01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:32.480] So I need to do both, a writ of mandamus and the habeas corpus, [01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.480] just start working on them. [01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:35.480] Yeah, exactly. [01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:37.480] Don't depend on either one of them. [01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:43.480] You file the habeas to get your new evidence into the court [01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:47.480] so that the Court of Appeals can hear the evidence. [01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:52.480] And you do that, oh, what would be the right pleading? [01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:54.480] I would have to look that up. [01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.480] This is not something that I've looked at before. [01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:06.480] How do you introduce evidence after the fact, after the conviction, [01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:11.480] after you've served the sentence, how do you introduce evidence to show, [01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:16.480] to the appeals court, to show that the conviction was wrongful in the first place? [01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:21.480] Because normally the appeals court only looks at the facts [01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:26.480] that were developed by the trial court. [01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:31.480] Now you have facts that were not available to you at the time. [01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.480] I objected in court though. [01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.480] This should go to habeas corpus. [01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:38.480] Okay. [01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.480] I did say that there's no documentation of ownership. [01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.480] I object. [01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.480] And the prosecution... [01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:46.480] Oh, okay. [01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:47.480] Hold on. [01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:48.480] Perfect. [01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.480] You already have the facts before the court. [01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.480] I mean, you already have the issue before the court. [01:06:54.480 --> 01:07:01.480] And now you can bring a supplemental presentation [01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.480] of facts that weren't available at the time. [01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.480] All right. [01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:10.480] But still, this goes to habeas corpus. [01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:13.480] Habeas corpus. [01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:14.480] Yes, file a habeas corpus. [01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.480] You can file a habeas corpus after the fact. [01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:23.480] And that would make the appeal moot if you prevail in the habeas corpus. [01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:26.480] And this is pretty well straightforward. [01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:33.480] Other than the minutes of the grand jury, does Mississippi law specifically require minutes? [01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:37.480] Yes, a court reporter. [01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:39.480] Perfect. [01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.480] So have you requested a voucher, [01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:49.480] a copy of the voucher from the court reporter for performing his duties on that day? [01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:51.480] No. [01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:52.480] Do that. [01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:53.480] Okay. [01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:54.480] You do that from the court reporter. [01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.480] And you just write the court reporter, because I know who that is, [01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.480] and say I want to request the voucher? [01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:02.480] Yes. [01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:03.480] For? [01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:13.480] Well, no, actually, I think that would go to the, I don't know, who's the guy, the comptroller, [01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.480] the county comptroller. [01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.480] Okay. [01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:22.480] You told me about six months ago to write him and to ask for the voucher, and I dated, [01:08:22.480 --> 01:08:26.480] and I never got a response back from him. [01:08:26.480 --> 01:08:30.480] Okay, then that gives you what you need. [01:08:30.480 --> 01:08:31.480] Okay. [01:08:31.480 --> 01:08:37.480] Prima facie evidence that there was no voucher because you requested it. [01:08:37.480 --> 01:08:41.480] Do you have open records in Mississippi? [01:08:41.480 --> 01:08:43.480] Yeah. [01:08:43.480 --> 01:08:44.480] Okay. [01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:50.480] If there's open records, your request for the voucher was a request under open records. [01:08:50.480 --> 01:09:00.480] If the comptroller did not reply, then you need to, you might look at sending a tort [01:09:00.480 --> 01:09:11.480] letter to the county and sue the comptroller for all this time that you spent in prison [01:09:11.480 --> 01:09:16.480] and this, give him a whopping number. [01:09:16.480 --> 01:09:17.480] Okay. [01:09:17.480 --> 01:09:25.480] His refusal to abide by the act is denied you in due process, which Bruce was talking [01:09:25.480 --> 01:09:26.480] about earlier. [01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:31.480] I just wrote him a simple letter, give me the voucher, send it to me, respond within [01:09:31.480 --> 01:09:32.480] 10 days. [01:09:32.480 --> 01:09:35.480] I didn't actually fill out a FOIA. [01:09:35.480 --> 01:09:36.480] You don't have to. [01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:37.480] Okay. [01:09:37.480 --> 01:09:39.480] Then make a difference. [01:09:39.480 --> 01:09:40.480] All right. [01:09:40.480 --> 01:09:45.480] You're making a request, the law always says that you make a request. [01:09:45.480 --> 01:09:47.480] They want it in a special format. [01:09:47.480 --> 01:09:48.480] Who cares? [01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:51.480] They can hang one in one hand. [01:09:51.480 --> 01:09:55.480] You know, I just was in court today and wanted to see some records and they said I'd have [01:09:55.480 --> 01:09:56.480] to fill out a written request. [01:09:56.480 --> 01:09:57.480] So I said, no problem. [01:09:57.480 --> 01:09:58.480] I got one. [01:09:58.480 --> 01:09:59.480] I pulled out. [01:09:59.480 --> 01:10:00.480] Oh no, you have to use our form. [01:10:00.480 --> 01:10:01.480] No, I'm not going to use your form. [01:10:01.480 --> 01:10:02.480] I'm going to use my form. [01:10:02.480 --> 01:10:06.480] You can either respond to it or not. [01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:09.480] I don't care what you do. [01:10:09.480 --> 01:10:10.480] Okay. [01:10:10.480 --> 01:10:14.480] So my form is, I told them you'll like my form better. [01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:16.480] It's a whole lot more obnoxious. [01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:17.480] Okay. [01:10:17.480 --> 01:10:23.480] But yeah, you might now file a complaint against the Comptroller. [01:10:23.480 --> 01:10:25.480] And this is the County Comptroller? [01:10:25.480 --> 01:10:26.480] Is that the name of it? [01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:27.480] Of him? [01:10:27.480 --> 01:10:28.480] Yeah. [01:10:28.480 --> 01:10:29.480] Is this? [01:10:29.480 --> 01:10:32.480] The Comptroller is called the Comptroller of Public Accounts. [01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:35.480] Comptroller of Public Accounts. [01:10:35.480 --> 01:10:42.480] Just to contact the County, you'll have a County Commissioner's Court and ask who is [01:10:42.480 --> 01:10:45.480] the official that pays the bills. [01:10:45.480 --> 01:10:46.480] Okay. [01:10:46.480 --> 01:10:55.480] And that's the guy you go to because you want the voucher, any vouchers for court reporting [01:10:55.480 --> 01:10:57.480] on this particular day. [01:10:57.480 --> 01:11:03.480] And if he fails to do his duty, I bring criminal charges with the Attorney General? [01:11:03.480 --> 01:11:12.480] It depends on how the procedure is in Mississippi. [01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:15.480] In Texas, it's a Class A misdemeanor, official misconduct. [01:11:15.480 --> 01:11:17.480] And that goes to the District Attorney. [01:11:17.480 --> 01:11:21.480] Oh, which would be the same District Attorney that put me in jail. [01:11:21.480 --> 01:11:25.480] Yeah, but you also go to him with good... [01:11:25.480 --> 01:11:30.480] I need to know a little bit more about the specifics of Mississippi law. [01:11:30.480 --> 01:11:31.480] Got it. [01:11:31.480 --> 01:11:37.480] What is the nature of the grand jury in Mississippi? [01:11:37.480 --> 01:11:39.480] How is it set up? [01:11:39.480 --> 01:11:42.480] Do you have to... [01:11:42.480 --> 01:11:47.480] Okay, look for this statute that says duties of grand jurors. [01:11:47.480 --> 01:11:54.480] The Fed and a lot of states mimic the Fed, says the grand jury shall examine into all [01:11:54.480 --> 01:12:00.480] criminal accusations that come to their knowledge by whatever means. [01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:07.480] And what that means is, is there is no restriction of any kind on filing complaints to the grand [01:12:07.480 --> 01:12:08.480] jury. [01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:15.480] In Texas, it says under 20.09, the grand jury shall investigate into all criminal accusations [01:12:15.480 --> 01:12:21.480] that come to their knowledge, that come to them by their own knowledge, by way of the [01:12:21.480 --> 01:12:25.480] prosecuting attorney or any credible person. [01:12:25.480 --> 01:12:28.480] Essentially, it says the same thing. [01:12:28.480 --> 01:12:37.480] Look, in Pennsylvania, all criminal complaints are given to the grand jury through a district [01:12:37.480 --> 01:12:38.480] court. [01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:39.480] Okay. [01:12:39.480 --> 01:12:41.480] So you have no direct action. [01:12:41.480 --> 01:12:48.480] But where you have no direct access to the grand jury, there are other remedies. [01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:55.480] For instance, in Pennsylvania, where you can't go directly to a grand jury, in the filing [01:12:55.480 --> 01:12:57.480] of a criminal complaint, you do have standing. [01:12:57.480 --> 01:13:02.480] So if the prosecutor refuses to act on it, you can appeal to the court of common please. [01:13:02.480 --> 01:13:06.480] And if they don't act, you can appeal all the way up to the supreme. [01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:07.480] Okay. [01:13:07.480 --> 01:13:12.480] In Texas, in the filing of a criminal complaint, I don't have any standing. [01:13:12.480 --> 01:13:18.480] The prosecuting attorney has exclusive prosecutorial authority or jurisdiction. [01:13:18.480 --> 01:13:21.480] So I don't have any standing toward the prosecution. [01:13:21.480 --> 01:13:31.480] If he decides not to prosecute, then technically, he'd have to present it to a judge and ask [01:13:31.480 --> 01:13:33.480] the judge to dismiss it. [01:13:33.480 --> 01:13:37.480] But they just did away with that part, didn't bother with it. [01:13:37.480 --> 01:13:42.480] But I have no direct standing to raise an issue unless I can show where the prosecutor [01:13:42.480 --> 01:13:46.480] violated the law in the process. [01:13:46.480 --> 01:13:54.480] And in the case of a complaint against a public official, 2.03 is the statute that he would [01:13:54.480 --> 01:13:55.480] have violated. [01:13:55.480 --> 01:13:58.480] So you have to be able to articulate that. [01:13:58.480 --> 01:14:05.480] That's what I mean by never ask a public official to do anything you actually want him to do. [01:14:05.480 --> 01:14:09.480] You only ask him to do what he's specifically required to do. [01:14:09.480 --> 01:14:17.480] So look at the code when you need to know how the grand jury works. [01:14:17.480 --> 01:14:24.480] In Texas, the grand jury sits with the purpose of hearing complaints. [01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:31.480] And then the grand jury will deliberate and vote whether the true bill or no bill. [01:14:31.480 --> 01:14:38.480] And then the grand jury shall come before the district court with a quorum of the grand [01:14:38.480 --> 01:14:45.480] jury present and read the presentment onto the record. [01:14:45.480 --> 01:14:48.480] And the clerk shall take notes in the minutes of the court. [01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:52.480] And that's how I got to minutes of grand jury. [01:14:52.480 --> 01:14:57.480] You need to be able to do that in Mississippi law. [01:14:57.480 --> 01:14:59.480] And it's almost certainly going to be real similar. [01:14:59.480 --> 01:15:04.480] This is a relatively well-settled procedure. [01:15:04.480 --> 01:15:06.480] But here's one interesting thing. [01:15:06.480 --> 01:15:11.480] It takes a while sometimes to get all the pieces put together. [01:15:11.480 --> 01:15:16.480] In Texas, we have magistrates. [01:15:16.480 --> 01:15:23.480] And I have an attorney general opinion, which attorney general opinions are essentially legal briefs. [01:15:23.480 --> 01:15:31.480] And this one was to a question, can a magistrate hear a complaint of a crime that took place outside his jurisdiction? [01:15:31.480 --> 01:15:43.480] And the gist of it was is that a magistrate may take any complaint, felony or misdemeanor, state or federal felony or misdemeanor. [01:15:43.480 --> 01:15:51.480] These are complaints over which he is a justice of the peace, whatever he is, may or may not have original jurisdiction, didn't matter. [01:15:51.480 --> 01:15:54.480] As a magistrate, he can hear any complaint. [01:15:54.480 --> 01:16:09.480] Well, in Texas, the courts have ruled that essentially, not directly, but that once you've had an indictment, you no longer have a right to an examining trial because the indictment takes the place of that. [01:16:09.480 --> 01:16:25.480] That's the case, and the jury is acting as a quasi magistrate, and any grand jury could hear any complaint, felony or misdemeanor, in or outside their direct jurisdiction. [01:16:25.480 --> 01:16:32.480] Find the grand jury you can get to, no matter where it is in Mississippi, and take your complaints to that one. [01:16:32.480 --> 01:16:35.480] You'll always find a prosecutor that won't interfere. [01:16:35.480 --> 01:16:38.480] Most of them will, but some won't. 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[01:18:46.480 --> 01:18:51.480] We're located at 7304 Burnett Road, Suite A, about a half mile south of Anderson. [01:18:51.480 --> 01:18:54.480] We're open Monday through Friday 10 to 6, Saturdays 10 to 2. [01:18:54.480 --> 01:19:17.480] Visit us at capitalcoin and bullion.com or call 512-646-6440. [01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:27.480] Okay, we are back. [01:19:27.480 --> 01:19:31.480] Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rural Law Radio, and we're talking to Jeff in Mississippi. [01:19:31.480 --> 01:19:35.480] And this is something that finally dawned on me the other day about grand juries. [01:19:35.480 --> 01:19:42.480] Any grand jury should be able to hear any complaint no matter where it's at, where it's at in Mississippi. [01:19:42.480 --> 01:19:45.480] I'm in Texas, I'm in Tarrant County. [01:19:45.480 --> 01:19:47.480] I'm sorry, I'm in Wise County. [01:19:47.480 --> 01:19:59.480] But in Dallas County, the prosecuting attorney will go to great lengths to shield the grand jury from the public. [01:19:59.480 --> 01:20:04.480] But in Tarrant County, I've hammered them, beat them up quite a bit. [01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:10.480] And they tell me if I come down to file a complaint with the grand jury, nobody will interfere with me. [01:20:10.480 --> 01:20:18.480] So if I have issues in Dallas County, I'll just take them to grand jury in Tarrant County. [01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:29.480] So Jeff, if you have a prosecutor, you can't really reasonably file a complaint against your own prosecutor with the grand jury that he has impaneled. [01:20:29.480 --> 01:20:31.480] So take it to a different grand jury. [01:20:31.480 --> 01:20:33.480] Got it. [01:20:33.480 --> 01:20:39.480] This will really get them hopping up and down because now he's got some other prosecutor looking over his shoulder. [01:20:39.480 --> 01:20:43.480] But Deb had something she wanted to chime in here. [01:20:43.480 --> 01:20:44.480] Deb? [01:20:44.480 --> 01:20:45.480] Yes. [01:20:45.480 --> 01:20:57.480] This goes back to Jeff's original issue about how to introduce newly discovered evidence after the conviction process, after the conviction has already taken place. [01:20:57.480 --> 01:21:00.480] Now, I just want to, first off, let's be clear. [01:21:00.480 --> 01:21:02.480] Jeff, you did not take a plea deal, right? [01:21:02.480 --> 01:21:04.480] Absolutely not. [01:21:04.480 --> 01:21:05.480] Okay, good, good. [01:21:05.480 --> 01:21:06.480] Screens allowed that they dragged me off. [01:21:06.480 --> 01:21:10.480] Okay, good, because, yeah, if you took a deal, then you're hosed. [01:21:10.480 --> 01:21:11.480] All right. [01:21:11.480 --> 01:21:22.480] I just did a little bit of brief searching, just general searching on the Internet, on Ixquick, on how this situation can be handled. [01:21:22.480 --> 01:21:30.480] And Randy's intuition is correct regarding the habeas, the petition for red of habeas corpus. [01:21:30.480 --> 01:21:38.480] I haven't found anything specific for Mississippi yet, but in Texas, here's what it says for Texas. [01:21:38.480 --> 01:21:52.480] It says, newly discovered, and this isn't a criminal case, newly discovered evidence claims must be presented in a motion for new trial pursuant to Article 40.001 of the Texas Rules of Criminal Procedure. [01:21:52.480 --> 01:22:02.480] A motion for new trial may be filed before but no later than 30 days after the imposition of sentence pursuant to Rule 21 of the Texas Rules of Appellate Procedure. [01:22:02.480 --> 01:22:22.480] However, newly discovered evidence claims that are discovered after the 30-day new trial limitation period must be filed in a petition for writ of habeas corpus pursuant to Article 11.07 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure. [01:22:22.480 --> 01:22:28.480] So that's in statute, and it's in the Rules of Criminal Procedure for Texas. [01:22:28.480 --> 01:22:34.480] And then the other state that I found that came up right away was California. [01:22:34.480 --> 01:22:45.480] And same thing in California, the way that you deal with newly discovered evidence post trial is with a petition for writ of habeas corpus, and that's in their case law. [01:22:45.480 --> 01:22:50.480] That's Henry Weber, or Weber, W-E-B-E-R, that's a 1974 California case. [01:22:50.480 --> 01:22:58.480] And so just seeing those two things come up right off the bat, I would say it's probably going to be the same in pretty much every state. [01:22:58.480 --> 01:23:13.480] You may want to look at your Code of Criminal Procedure for Mississippi, and you're probably going to also want to read through the rules of court, the criminal rules of procedure, not necessarily civil rules of procedure, but the state criminal rules of procedure. [01:23:13.480 --> 01:23:22.480] And if it were me, I would hammer that habeas because you don't need your lawyer to file a habeas. [01:23:22.480 --> 01:23:34.480] And, you know, something that Randy and I were discussing on one of the previous breaks is that, you know, the clerk has no authority to decide what anybody can and cannot file. [01:23:34.480 --> 01:23:45.480] It's typically the court is not going to allow a defendant or any litigant for that matter to file anything if they have representation. [01:23:45.480 --> 01:24:00.480] Typically the only thing that you can file if you have a lawyer representing you and you've signed that power of attorney and they are officially representing you as your attorney, the court is not going to let you file anything in your own case no matter what that lawyer says. [01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:09.480] Court ain't going to allow it. The only thing that you can file on your own is a petition for habeas and a petition, I'm sorry, petition for habeas and an affidavit. [01:24:09.480 --> 01:24:12.480] That's it, okay. It doesn't matter what the lawyer says. [01:24:12.480 --> 01:24:16.480] Now the clerk does not have the authority to say you can't file that. [01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:25.480] The clerks have to file whatever you give them, and then the judge can say, no, I'm going to reject that filing, I'm going to kick that filing out because you have a lawyer. [01:24:25.480 --> 01:24:39.480] All right, but the thing is, if it were me, okay, I'm not telling you what to do, but if it were me, I wouldn't bother with the mandamus because what's going to happen is you're going to have to fight over the mandamus to even file it, [01:24:39.480 --> 01:24:48.480] and you're going to have to go through all this brouhaha to go after the clerk because the clerk ain't going to let you file it and all this and that, you know, and yeah, that may need to be done. [01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:57.480] We may need to beat up the clerks a little bit, but, you know, how many fights, how many tar babies do you want to get into just to accomplish the goal at hand, which is to make this whole thing go away. [01:24:57.480 --> 01:25:01.480] All right, but the other issue about the mandamus is you don't need it, okay. [01:25:01.480 --> 01:25:03.480] You've got the habeas. [01:25:03.480 --> 01:25:14.480] If you look up in Mississippi Code of Criminal Procedure and your criminal rules of procedure for rules of court, you're probably going to find the exact same thing as Texas and California, and you don't need a lawyer, [01:25:14.480 --> 01:25:17.480] and the clerk is not going to give you a hard time about filing habeas. [01:25:17.480 --> 01:25:19.480] The clerk is going to give you a hard time about filing a motion. [01:25:19.480 --> 01:25:22.480] The clerk is going to give you a hard time about filing a petition for mandamus. [01:25:22.480 --> 01:25:32.480] The clerk is not going to give you a hard time about filing a petition for habeas or an affidavit, and so I would go for the habeas because even if you manage to get the mandamus filed, [01:25:32.480 --> 01:25:39.480] it's probably going to get denied right off the bat immediately because the appellate courts are going to say you didn't exhaust all your remedies. [01:25:39.480 --> 01:25:49.480] You have to show that you've exhausted every remedy possible in order for a higher court to even consider a mandamus. [01:25:49.480 --> 01:25:53.480] And so I would say if it were me, I would not put my effort into the mandamus. [01:25:53.480 --> 01:25:57.480] I would save the mandamus for an absolute last resort, okay. [01:25:57.480 --> 01:25:59.480] You don't need it right now. [01:25:59.480 --> 01:26:07.480] Just do the habeas because that is the protocol that is prescribed for sure that I know of in two states, and I would imagine it's the same thing in Mississippi. [01:26:07.480 --> 01:26:11.480] And you won't have to deal with the clerk or problems with the clerk or the filing or anything like that. [01:26:11.480 --> 01:26:13.480] Okay. [01:26:13.480 --> 01:26:15.480] Wait a minute. [01:26:15.480 --> 01:26:16.480] Wait a minute. [01:26:16.480 --> 01:26:20.480] I have to do this, and all you guys out there don't hate me. [01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:22.480] I know this is unmanly. [01:26:22.480 --> 01:26:25.480] She was right, and I was wrong. [01:26:25.480 --> 01:26:27.480] I hate it when that happens. [01:26:27.480 --> 01:26:29.480] Well, Randy, you were right, too. [01:26:29.480 --> 01:26:33.480] You had excellent intuition that this does go to habeas. [01:26:33.480 --> 01:26:34.480] It does go to habeas. [01:26:34.480 --> 01:26:35.480] It absolutely does. [01:26:35.480 --> 01:26:37.480] So we're both right. [01:26:37.480 --> 01:26:38.480] Okay. [01:26:38.480 --> 01:26:39.480] Go ahead, Jeff. [01:26:39.480 --> 01:26:42.480] Now, I've never filled out the paperwork for habeas corpus. [01:26:42.480 --> 01:26:45.480] I wouldn't know what one looked like if it bit me on the foot. [01:26:45.480 --> 01:26:48.480] Oh, well, that's where Randy's website comes in. [01:26:48.480 --> 01:26:50.480] It's jurisimprudence.com. [01:26:50.480 --> 01:26:52.480] Yes, it is. [01:26:52.480 --> 01:26:54.480] Yeah, ignore that virus warning. [01:26:54.480 --> 01:26:55.480] Yeah, what's up, Randy? [01:26:55.480 --> 01:26:57.480] I've been getting a whole bunch of emails about that. [01:26:57.480 --> 01:26:59.480] I got that thing off. [01:26:59.480 --> 01:27:00.480] I got it off of there. [01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:05.480] It was, okay, this is what Google don't like. [01:27:05.480 --> 01:27:20.480] If you have on a page that's either the first or second page in your site a link that goes to another page off your site, Google's going to get real unhappy about that. [01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:22.480] Got it. [01:27:22.480 --> 01:27:32.480] Especially if it sees one on the front page, and I did get it was malware. There was some code I'd never seen before that had a link to another site. [01:27:32.480 --> 01:27:33.480] Okay. [01:27:33.480 --> 01:27:37.480] And Google was actually correct in marketing it. [01:27:37.480 --> 01:27:39.480] It wasn't malicious software. [01:27:39.480 --> 01:27:41.480] It was just annoying software. [01:27:41.480 --> 01:27:42.480] Okay, you got it off there. [01:27:42.480 --> 01:27:49.480] Randy, you have to file some kind of form or something with Google to get them to knock it off. [01:27:49.480 --> 01:27:50.480] Okay. [01:27:50.480 --> 01:27:55.480] I did that so there may be one buried somewhere there that I haven't found yet, so I have to go back in and look again. [01:27:55.480 --> 01:28:01.480] Well, anyway, Randy has examples of his habeas on his jurisimprudence.com. [01:28:01.480 --> 01:28:17.480] And also, just look up, do some searches for petitions for writs of habeas corpus specifically for the purpose of introducing new evidence that have been filed in the state of Mississippi. [01:28:17.480 --> 01:28:19.480] This is where the plagiarism thing comes in. [01:28:19.480 --> 01:28:32.480] You look for what other people have filed, not general habeases or habeases where people are locked up in jail for five years and they haven't even had an examining trial or anything going on yet. [01:28:32.480 --> 01:28:42.480] Not that kind of habeas, but you need to look up the kinds of habeases that people have filed in Mississippi that have to do with reintroducing new evidence and just plagiarize it. [01:28:42.480 --> 01:28:43.480] That's how you do it. [01:28:43.480 --> 01:28:44.480] It's not a form. [01:28:44.480 --> 01:28:45.480] Okay. [01:28:45.480 --> 01:28:46.480] It's a petition. [01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:47.480] It's like a lawsuit. [01:28:47.480 --> 01:28:51.480] It's an original, almost like an original petition except it's filed in the case. [01:28:51.480 --> 01:28:52.480] Okay. [01:28:52.480 --> 01:28:59.480] You'll probably have a statute that says that a habeas may not be denied for lack of form. [01:28:59.480 --> 01:29:00.480] Okay. [01:29:00.480 --> 01:29:01.480] Go to the law library. [01:29:01.480 --> 01:29:04.480] I just did a search for Mississippi. [01:29:04.480 --> 01:29:05.480] I got it. [01:29:05.480 --> 01:29:13.480] I did a search for Mississippi habeas corpus new evidence and got a hit right on. [01:29:13.480 --> 01:29:14.480] There you go. [01:29:14.480 --> 01:29:21.480] Ole Miss Rebels ticket in Oxford, Mississippi. [01:29:21.480 --> 01:29:24.480] I'm not sure what that is, but you're in Mississippi. [01:29:24.480 --> 01:29:27.480] You can read the link on the back. [01:29:27.480 --> 01:29:36.480] You'll get better hits in Mississippi because these things give you hits as to where you're at. [01:29:36.480 --> 01:29:37.480] Okay. [01:29:37.480 --> 01:29:45.480] This is Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, Rue de la Radio, our call-in number, 512-646-1984. [01:29:45.480 --> 01:29:50.480] We've got a couple segments left, so if you have a question or a comment, give us a call. 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[01:33:42.480 --> 01:33:46.480] And we are just finishing up with Jeff from Mississippi here. [01:33:46.480 --> 01:33:49.480] And, yeah, Jeff, Randy already found a couple of hits. [01:33:49.480 --> 01:33:54.480] I haven't found any yet, but since you're in Mississippi, you may find better hits. [01:33:54.480 --> 01:34:01.480] But if you can't find anything specific, any specific document online that anybody has filed in [01:34:01.480 --> 01:34:08.480] Mississippi, a petition for writ of habeas corpus because of introduction of new evidence, [01:34:08.480 --> 01:34:10.480] then just go to the law library. [01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:11.480] You'll find one. [01:34:11.480 --> 01:34:18.480] And just ask the, those librarians at the law library, they are so nice and so helpful. [01:34:18.480 --> 01:34:24.480] And you just tell them, look, I need an example of a petition for writ of habeas corpus for, you know, [01:34:24.480 --> 01:34:27.480] because there's new evidence, you know, in a criminal case. [01:34:27.480 --> 01:34:30.480] Oh, they'll probably just pull it right up for you. [01:34:30.480 --> 01:34:32.480] So, okay? [01:34:32.480 --> 01:34:35.480] Okay, I will hammer that and call you next week with my progress. [01:34:35.480 --> 01:34:36.480] Thank you. [01:34:36.480 --> 01:34:38.480] Let us know how it goes. [01:34:38.480 --> 01:34:39.480] Thank you. [01:34:39.480 --> 01:34:40.480] Okay, bye-bye. [01:34:40.480 --> 01:34:42.480] All right, we're going to go to our next caller now. [01:34:42.480 --> 01:34:44.480] We've got Mary in Texas. [01:34:44.480 --> 01:34:46.480] Mary, thanks for calling in. [01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:48.480] What is on your mind tonight? [01:34:48.480 --> 01:34:53.480] Well, it's a great show, Randy, and good advice, Debra. [01:34:53.480 --> 01:34:58.480] I had a good second annual Bargriven's Christmas Party, a brand new book. [01:34:58.480 --> 01:35:00.480] A lot of the truth-seekers showed up. [01:35:00.480 --> 01:35:03.480] And maybe about 30 people were in attendance. [01:35:03.480 --> 01:35:04.480] We watched some YouTubes. [01:35:04.480 --> 01:35:10.480] And Mike Handel gave a presentation about his case regarding the TSA water bottle thing. [01:35:10.480 --> 01:35:12.480] Today, he's been writing his third story. [01:35:12.480 --> 01:35:18.480] He's about ready to go to the Supreme Court. [01:35:18.480 --> 01:35:20.480] Excellent. [01:35:20.480 --> 01:35:24.480] And, Randy, I should be off in your neck of the woods. [01:35:24.480 --> 01:35:29.480] I hear there are weekly 9-11 meetings, meet-up groups up there. [01:35:29.480 --> 01:35:38.480] So I'll start going up there and be interested in talking with you about starting a political action committee. [01:35:38.480 --> 01:35:39.480] Good, good. [01:35:39.480 --> 01:35:45.480] I have some people up here who are really strong in political action. [01:35:45.480 --> 01:35:47.480] I can introduce you to them. [01:35:47.480 --> 01:35:48.480] Good, good. [01:35:48.480 --> 01:35:52.480] I know earlier you were talking about some family law issue. [01:35:52.480 --> 01:35:59.480] And to me, my general take on it is things like the marriage contract is still biased [01:35:59.480 --> 01:36:10.480] and waits for generosity towards the male just as the marriage contract used to allow rape and domestic violence. [01:36:10.480 --> 01:36:18.480] My feel and take on this is that the contracts are not still in equity. [01:36:18.480 --> 01:36:19.480] Well, okay. [01:36:19.480 --> 01:36:23.480] I don't know that, you know, when I got married, [01:36:23.480 --> 01:36:31.480] as far as I knew, there really wasn't a contractual agreement other than the vows we took. [01:36:31.480 --> 01:36:37.480] What you're talking about is not so much the contract, but the way the courts adjudicate. [01:36:37.480 --> 01:36:41.480] And that is difficult. [01:36:41.480 --> 01:36:48.480] No matter how you slice up family law, I could not be a family law judge [01:36:48.480 --> 01:36:54.480] because nobody's going to be happy. If you do your job good, nobody's going to be happy. [01:36:54.480 --> 01:36:59.480] But from what I hear, everywhere I go, family law is a major issue. [01:36:59.480 --> 01:37:04.480] When I went to Australia, they picked me up at the Sydney airport [01:37:04.480 --> 01:37:09.480] and we were heading across Sydney and we were approaching the Sydney Bay Bridge, [01:37:09.480 --> 01:37:13.480] right where you see that opera theater, that odd looking opera theater. [01:37:13.480 --> 01:37:15.480] It's right at the corner of that bridge. [01:37:15.480 --> 01:37:19.480] And as we were approaching the bridge, there's a big sign up there, some guy had crawled up there [01:37:19.480 --> 01:37:24.480] and hung up this banner complaining about the family courts [01:37:24.480 --> 01:37:27.480] and the cops everywhere trying to get him down. [01:37:27.480 --> 01:37:31.480] It was typical Australia, they're cussing each other, shaking their fists. [01:37:31.480 --> 01:37:33.480] It was just wonderful. [01:37:33.480 --> 01:37:39.480] But everywhere I go, family law is a really major issue. [01:37:39.480 --> 01:37:44.480] And because it is so emotional and so contentious, [01:37:44.480 --> 01:37:55.480] I don't know if there is an easy answer to the inequity that goes on there. [01:37:55.480 --> 01:38:00.480] And I'm not going to comment about whether it's weight against men or women. [01:38:00.480 --> 01:38:05.480] Mary says it's weight against the women, but I've always heard [01:38:05.480 --> 01:38:11.480] that the woman gets the gold mine and the man gets the shaft. [01:38:11.480 --> 01:38:15.480] Well, you were pretty general with your describing of the case, [01:38:15.480 --> 01:38:24.480] so I was kind of assuming you were concerned about the woman's partiality, the woman being treated. [01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:30.480] Yeah, let me step in on your side and I agree that most of the time [01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:36.480] the woman is at an incredibly terrible disadvantage [01:38:36.480 --> 01:38:40.480] because the man is the one that works and makes money. [01:38:40.480 --> 01:38:42.480] He has resources. [01:38:42.480 --> 01:38:47.480] Once the divorce begins, he pulls all of his resources [01:38:47.480 --> 01:38:51.480] and leaves the woman with nothing. [01:38:51.480 --> 01:38:55.480] And then you've got these shashter lawyers out there [01:38:55.480 --> 01:39:01.480] that it appears more so in family law than in any other, well, maybe probate law. [01:39:01.480 --> 01:39:06.480] But the lawyers, you know, you think your lawyer is on your side [01:39:06.480 --> 01:39:12.480] and the other guy's lawyer is on the other side and nothing could be further from the truth. [01:39:12.480 --> 01:39:15.480] It's like a four-sided chess board. [01:39:15.480 --> 01:39:19.480] You're sitting here and to your left you've got your lawyer [01:39:19.480 --> 01:39:23.480] and you think he's there to adjudicate your side. [01:39:23.480 --> 01:39:27.480] And to your right, you've got the other guy's lawyer. [01:39:27.480 --> 01:39:31.480] But this is all about alliances. [01:39:31.480 --> 01:39:34.480] Your lawyer has an alliance with that other lawyer [01:39:34.480 --> 01:39:38.480] and primarily what it appears they do in family law cases [01:39:38.480 --> 01:39:44.480] is both the lawyers looks at the estate of the two individuals involved. [01:39:44.480 --> 01:39:49.480] They decide how much of the estate they think they can swallow [01:39:49.480 --> 01:39:53.480] and they keep both litigants at each other's throats [01:39:53.480 --> 01:39:59.480] and keep themselves filing motions and filing things back and forth [01:39:59.480 --> 01:40:03.480] until they use up all the estate and then they offer a deal [01:40:03.480 --> 01:40:08.480] that's sufficient to keep the litigants from suing the lawyers. [01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:13.480] And you've got the judge over there helping the two lawyers make a living. [01:40:13.480 --> 01:40:16.480] The only one on your side is you. [01:40:16.480 --> 01:40:22.480] If you can't get in and break these alliances, you're going to get screwed. [01:40:22.480 --> 01:40:27.480] Does that sound like something familiar, Mary? [01:40:27.480 --> 01:40:29.480] It does. [01:40:29.480 --> 01:40:34.480] I'm calling because I have two questions I'm confused about. [01:40:34.480 --> 01:40:39.480] When we were helping Mike look up some of the grand jury records [01:40:39.480 --> 01:40:43.480] over here in Travis County on that water bottle CSA case [01:40:43.480 --> 01:40:49.480] because he had written a complaint, what exactly were we doing that day? [01:40:49.480 --> 01:40:54.480] Wasn't the secretary telling us that they had three or four things [01:40:54.480 --> 01:41:00.480] that they would do with that complaint and do we think one of those things was illegal? [01:41:00.480 --> 01:41:02.480] Yes. [01:41:02.480 --> 01:41:12.480] What they claimed they were doing is that the grand jury would simply decide not to hear a case. [01:41:12.480 --> 01:41:15.480] And that's still? [01:41:15.480 --> 01:41:16.480] No, they lied. [01:41:16.480 --> 01:41:18.480] I don't think the grand jury did any such thing. [01:41:18.480 --> 01:41:28.480] I think they decided not to give the complaint to the grand jury and then claim that the grand jury decided not to hear it. [01:41:28.480 --> 01:41:35.480] Because the code is very clear, 20.09. [01:41:35.480 --> 01:41:44.480] The grand jury shall investigate into all criminal accusations that come to their knowledge. [01:41:44.480 --> 01:41:48.480] It didn't say may, might, or can if they want to. [01:41:48.480 --> 01:41:50.480] They said shall. [01:41:50.480 --> 01:41:57.480] So if in fact the grand jury is deciding not to hear those, [01:41:57.480 --> 01:42:07.480] where did a grand jury of my peers come up with the idea that they could do something that on its face [01:42:07.480 --> 01:42:16.480] appears to be in direct contravention to the clearly stated letter of law? [01:42:16.480 --> 01:42:19.480] Where on earth would they get that idea? [01:42:19.480 --> 01:42:22.480] Who told them they could do that? [01:42:22.480 --> 01:42:25.480] That's not to be confused with no billing. [01:42:25.480 --> 01:42:28.480] That is not to be confused with no billing. [01:42:28.480 --> 01:42:36.480] In a no bill, the grand jury will investigate into a criminal accusation. [01:42:36.480 --> 01:42:45.480] They will deliberate in private and vote to true bill or no bill. [01:42:45.480 --> 01:42:49.480] That's the procedure that's supposed to be done. [01:42:49.480 --> 01:42:55.480] And then they go before the court and read the fact of a true bill or no bill to the court. [01:42:55.480 --> 01:42:59.480] And the clerk shall make notes in the minutes of the court. [01:42:59.480 --> 01:43:03.480] And the minutes of the court is what we were looking for. [01:43:03.480 --> 01:43:09.480] And they're saying, well, there won't be any minutes because the grand jury decided not to hear this. [01:43:09.480 --> 01:43:12.480] Well, how did they do that? [01:43:12.480 --> 01:43:15.480] What was the mechanism? [01:43:15.480 --> 01:43:17.480] Did they bring this before the grand jury? [01:43:17.480 --> 01:43:23.480] And the grand jurors all said, hey, we don't want to bother with this crapola. [01:43:23.480 --> 01:43:25.480] They lied. [01:43:25.480 --> 01:43:28.480] They only have two things they can do after they investigate. [01:43:28.480 --> 01:43:31.480] One's no bill and one's true bill. [01:43:31.480 --> 01:43:33.480] It's just like a jury. [01:43:33.480 --> 01:43:35.480] It's just like any other jury. [01:43:35.480 --> 01:43:42.480] They move to convict or release. [01:43:42.480 --> 01:43:44.480] Grand jury does essentially the same thing. [01:43:44.480 --> 01:43:45.480] Hang on, Mary. [01:43:45.480 --> 01:43:46.480] Randy Kelton. 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[01:46:56.480 --> 01:47:04.480] Some things in this world I will never understand, some things I realize fully. [01:47:04.480 --> 01:47:11.480] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Mary in Texas. [01:47:11.480 --> 01:47:14.480] Mary, I'm looking forward to you coming up to Dallas. [01:47:14.480 --> 01:47:21.480] Good, good. It's gonna be on Thursday. This Thursday or next, there is a weekly 9-11 meetup group up in Dallas, [01:47:21.480 --> 01:47:25.480] and there's also a group, Texans for Truth, I'm gonna become a part of. [01:47:25.480 --> 01:47:34.480] I noticed here in Austin with Texans for Accountable Government that there needs to be more speech [01:47:34.480 --> 01:47:39.480] about 9-11 truth and 9-11 history, so I'll be working with other groups on that issue [01:47:39.480 --> 01:47:44.480] and starting my own on a weekly meetup group and write new books with the lecturers. [01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:50.480] I have one more question and an announcement that I do want to just get to the fine point [01:47:50.480 --> 01:47:56.480] about our investigation and recording that we did as a local Travis County grand jury. [01:47:56.480 --> 01:48:02.480] So what you're saying is that, you know, it's been hard to confer with Mike about this [01:48:02.480 --> 01:48:07.480] because he's in the middle of writing his first jury and had been working on the Fifth Circuit federal court issues, [01:48:07.480 --> 01:48:14.480] and so that's why I'm dipping this back and forth with you, despite the fact of the frequent visits I have with Mike, [01:48:14.480 --> 01:48:20.480] because that day when you came down, we had discovered that the grand jury, and we tape recorded it, [01:48:20.480 --> 01:48:26.480] the secretary of the grand jury or someone of such ill said there was a third possibility, [01:48:26.480 --> 01:48:32.480] and that third possibility was they simply decide not to hear a case or something like that, right? [01:48:32.480 --> 01:48:37.480] I just, you know, we actually worked on this quite a bit, but we've all been busy, [01:48:37.480 --> 01:48:40.480] so I just want to get this back down. [01:48:40.480 --> 01:48:51.480] I can't find anything in law that would allow a grand jury to refuse to hear a criminal complaint. [01:48:51.480 --> 01:48:54.480] Do you remember the lady's exact verbage? [01:48:54.480 --> 01:48:58.480] I know we have it all recorded, but can you... [01:48:58.480 --> 01:49:00.480] She didn't tell that to me. [01:49:00.480 --> 01:49:02.480] She told that to you and Mike. [01:49:02.480 --> 01:49:03.480] Okay. [01:49:03.480 --> 01:49:04.480] All right. [01:49:04.480 --> 01:49:09.480] So I need to discuss this with Mike to get those recordings out or perhaps get her to say those things again. [01:49:09.480 --> 01:49:15.480] Well, what I need to do, I expect to be filing some criminal charges against the attorney general, [01:49:15.480 --> 01:49:25.480] and they will almost certainly make those disappear, and these will be perfect ones to go after them on. [01:49:25.480 --> 01:49:27.480] Then I can challenge that procedure. [01:49:27.480 --> 01:49:37.480] When I don't hear find a true bill or no bill, then I can come back and go after the foreman of the grand jury [01:49:37.480 --> 01:49:42.480] and accuse the foreman of obstruction of justice. [01:49:42.480 --> 01:49:47.480] If the prosecutor or if this clerk is telling you the truth [01:49:47.480 --> 01:49:54.480] that the grand jury is actually deciding whether or not to hear a criminal complaint, [01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:59.480] when I file obstruction of justice against the foreman, [01:49:59.480 --> 01:50:03.480] he's going to tell me how they came to the notion that they can do that. [01:50:03.480 --> 01:50:08.480] Okay. I will continue to talk with Mike about this and take some notes on this, [01:50:08.480 --> 01:50:11.480] because this whole issue is very troublesome. [01:50:11.480 --> 01:50:17.480] I was a secretary for Austin Center for Peace and Justice, another political type group, [01:50:17.480 --> 01:50:23.480] and one of my older girlfriends got me onto that board because she realized all of the court watching [01:50:23.480 --> 01:50:29.480] and legal advocacy I was starting to do, and I told one of the older members of that group, [01:50:29.480 --> 01:50:34.480] he used to be friends with Martin Luther King, an older African American man who experienced segregation [01:50:34.480 --> 01:50:36.480] in Austin, Texas, and all this. [01:50:36.480 --> 01:50:40.480] When I told him that I court watched, he thought that was all cute and fun, [01:50:40.480 --> 01:50:45.480] but when I started telling him that there was other avenues after you became a witness, [01:50:45.480 --> 01:50:50.480] after you court watched, number one, you're usually watching some type of crime, [01:50:50.480 --> 01:50:58.480] some felony from the stand of the judge, and then that there's lawsuits you can do and other things you can do. [01:50:58.480 --> 01:51:04.480] It became very complicated all of a sudden, and he got real concerned, and the bad thing was [01:51:04.480 --> 01:51:07.480] that Mason was also on the grand jury. [01:51:07.480 --> 01:51:15.480] I said, well, then you understand the importance of making these criminal assertions or accusations, [01:51:15.480 --> 01:51:22.480] and he seemed to be really worried about the steps that could happen being a court watcher, [01:51:22.480 --> 01:51:28.480] and when you see these judges act criminally, he became real concerned when I started talking about lawsuits [01:51:28.480 --> 01:51:32.480] and meat and criminal complaints. [01:51:32.480 --> 01:51:36.480] I said, listen, you don't want to back this project or me. [01:51:36.480 --> 01:51:39.480] You don't have to back this court watching project. [01:51:39.480 --> 01:51:43.480] You can take that invitation back if you'd like. [01:51:43.480 --> 01:51:49.480] Eventually, I resigned as secretary of the group because of certain actions of this one man, [01:51:49.480 --> 01:51:54.480] but it really concerned me because, as I had heard, he was sitting on the grand jury, [01:51:54.480 --> 01:51:59.480] and so I'm telling you there's some little experiences that I've had with the grand jury, [01:51:59.480 --> 01:52:05.480] panelists or jurists, and I'm not saying I feel confident. [01:52:05.480 --> 01:52:11.480] Well, the only way, you know, we're just going to have to take them to task. [01:52:11.480 --> 01:52:18.480] When I start going after the foreman of the grand jury criminally, he's going to get real excited, [01:52:18.480 --> 01:52:24.480] and everybody's going to get excited because they're not going to want us going after their grand jury members. [01:52:24.480 --> 01:52:29.480] I had a prosecutor tell me, oh, Mr. Kelton, don't mess with my grand jury. [01:52:29.480 --> 01:52:35.480] They're too hard to see as it is. [01:52:35.480 --> 01:52:38.480] But this is the only logical course of action. [01:52:38.480 --> 01:52:46.480] If the clerk is telling us that the grand jury is deciding not to hear complaints, think about that. [01:52:46.480 --> 01:52:50.480] If you were put on a grand jury, would you have some idea that you could just say, [01:52:50.480 --> 01:52:54.480] nah, I don't want to bother hearing those? [01:52:54.480 --> 01:52:57.480] Well, let's continue this discussion. [01:52:57.480 --> 01:53:02.480] I have two more quick things that I want to say. [01:53:02.480 --> 01:53:08.480] One is that I wanted to, the municipal courts have a couple of parking tickets that the rescue brought [01:53:08.480 --> 01:53:12.480] helping Austin fluoride hunger strikers in Austin. [01:53:12.480 --> 01:53:16.480] In about a month, we're going to start a home roll local petition. [01:53:16.480 --> 01:53:18.480] We'll be gathering around 25,000 signatures. [01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:22.480] So if you are against fluoride, meet up with us. [01:53:22.480 --> 01:53:26.480] We're going to start weekly meetings in about two weeks. [01:53:26.480 --> 01:53:31.480] So anyways, I'll put some stuff out on 90.1. [01:53:31.480 --> 01:53:39.480] I went to pay my tickets, and I was up there, and I had signed up for jury trial on a stop sign violation [01:53:39.480 --> 01:53:42.480] a while ago in September. [01:53:42.480 --> 01:53:48.480] An African attorney from Colleen litigated a case that took prominence over mine, which I watched. [01:53:48.480 --> 01:53:53.480] It was baffling because he refused to judge. [01:53:53.480 --> 01:54:01.480] He did all of these great tactics, and he won a case that by video, his client, a taxi cab driver, [01:54:01.480 --> 01:54:07.480] it looked like an immigrant African taxi cab driver, was going the wrong way to a one-way street. [01:54:07.480 --> 01:54:12.480] And the fact is that I actually knew the cop that had made the arrest or the ticket [01:54:12.480 --> 01:54:15.480] just from some friendly banner in front of Brave New Books one night. [01:54:15.480 --> 01:54:19.480] She was on her bicycle with another policeman. [01:54:19.480 --> 01:54:27.480] So this African American lawyer just did marvels on the case and won a case that he should have lost. [01:54:27.480 --> 01:54:33.480] So I asked the clerk there for a little information if I could find out what that attorney's name was. [01:54:33.480 --> 01:54:38.480] So I filled out something at the municipal court in Austin called requests for copies [01:54:38.480 --> 01:54:43.480] after going to Rebecca Stark's office and telling them what I was looking for. [01:54:43.480 --> 01:54:53.480] So again, this is going to transcripts because what's in my mind is can we request a video from court hearings? [01:54:53.480 --> 01:54:55.480] If we can't get transcripts, can we get video? [01:54:55.480 --> 01:54:57.480] Because a video would be actually better than transcripts. [01:54:57.480 --> 01:55:04.480] Often I've seen judges tell the court reporter to stop taking notes where they'll reprimand the defendant and say, [01:55:04.480 --> 01:55:09.480] you know, if you continue talking about due process, we're going to arrest you in time for contempt of court. [01:55:09.480 --> 01:55:19.480] And then they tell the court reporter to start taking notes again and act all polite and civil once the court reporter is back on. [01:55:19.480 --> 01:55:24.480] Is that a possibility that we can just get video? I mean, because we can assume. [01:55:24.480 --> 01:55:31.480] Absolutely. If there is a video, it's public record. [01:55:31.480 --> 01:55:34.480] But I don't know if they take video. [01:55:34.480 --> 01:55:44.480] Well, video is obviously on. I mean, whenever we're sitting there, I mean, it's obvious to see these cameras everywhere. [01:55:44.480 --> 01:55:50.480] They're not obviously on. I was just in a court recently and asked about the sound system. [01:55:50.480 --> 01:55:54.480] I asked the judge if he had accommodation for the hearing impaired. [01:55:54.480 --> 01:56:00.480] And he said no. I said, do you have you have a sound system here? Will you turn it up? [01:56:00.480 --> 01:56:04.480] He said no. I said, well, you will you speak up? [01:56:04.480 --> 01:56:09.480] And he did. I told the bailiff, I didn't say shut up and throw me out of court room. [01:56:09.480 --> 01:56:12.480] So they had it, but they didn't have it turned on. [01:56:12.480 --> 01:56:18.480] Well, could I make a comment here? Because we only got like two minutes left and I just want to comment on this video thing. [01:56:18.480 --> 01:56:24.480] Video, if they're taking any, it's not necessarily going to be something that we could easily get. [01:56:24.480 --> 01:56:35.480] And here's here's what I have decided that I'm going to do from now on in any important case because I've gotten burned on transcripts before. [01:56:35.480 --> 01:56:42.480] Even when a judge hasn't specifically ordered a court reporter to stop taking notes or whatever, some crucial things. [01:56:42.480 --> 01:56:49.480] Unfortunately, they weren't instrumental to the case, but some things that really should have been on the record didn't go on the record. [01:56:49.480 --> 01:56:52.480] I'm going to start bringing my own court reporter. [01:56:52.480 --> 01:57:03.480] OK, now I know that wouldn't be the official court reporter, but it would be somebody from the industry whose reputation is on the line. [01:57:03.480 --> 01:57:12.480] And if the court doesn't want to let me bring a recording device, they can't stop a court reporter from bringing her or his recording device. [01:57:12.480 --> 01:57:19.480] And so I'm going to be hiring my own transcriber and instructing that person ahead of time. [01:57:19.480 --> 01:57:27.480] It will be part of the contract that they will turn over the audio recording to me as part of the deal because this will be a private contract. [01:57:27.480 --> 01:57:38.480] And that way, if there's anything on the transcript that does not jive with what my court reporter is saying on her or his transcript or on the audio. [01:57:38.480 --> 01:57:43.480] Well, guess what? Now you've got the battle of the court reporters and it's going to keep the real court reporter in line. [01:57:43.480 --> 01:57:54.480] And I think that's that's going to be a real surefire way to make sure that what actually goes on in the court becomes a matter of public record. [01:57:54.480 --> 01:58:01.480] Ken tells us Ken tells a story of bringing in a court reporter and the judge immediately canceled the hearing. [01:58:01.480 --> 01:58:07.480] That's great. Listen, Mary, we are out of time. The bumper is playing and we have like 20 seconds left. [01:58:07.480 --> 01:58:15.480] You can call back in tomorrow night if you like, Mary. [01:58:15.480 --> 01:58:24.480] Mary, we can't hear you. Yeah, you're starting to your phone is cutting out. But call back in tomorrow night. Joe and Hector, we're sorry we ran out of time. It looked like y'all had mortgage questions. [01:58:24.480 --> 01:58:32.480] Call back in tomorrow night. Tomorrow night is the four hour info marathon with Randy and Steve on mortgages mainly. [01:58:32.480 --> 01:58:36.480] So y'all can ask your questions tomorrow night. And don't forget the fundraiser tomorrow night. 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