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[00:08.000 --> 00:21.000]  This is Justin Arman with your Liberty Beat for Thursday, December 19th, 2013, gold of today at $1,200, silver at $19.13, and Bitcoin is trading at $618.
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[03:23.000 --> 03:27.000]  What are you gonna do?
[03:27.000 --> 03:32.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:32.000 --> 03:38.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.000 --> 03:44.000]  When you were eight and you had bad traits, you'd go to school and learn the golden rules.
[03:44.000 --> 03:49.000]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get hot, then you must get cool.
[03:49.000 --> 03:55.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:55.000 --> 04:03.000]  All right, bad boys, bad boys. What are you going to do when we come for you here on the Rule of Law?
[04:03.000 --> 04:11.000]  Tonight is Thursday, December 19th, 2013. I am one of your hosts, Deborah Stevens.
[04:11.000 --> 04:18.000]  I am here with my co-host, Randy Kelton, and we have a very special show lined up for you tonight.
[04:18.000 --> 04:29.000]  But first, I want to go over a little bit, a few issues that need to be addressed concerning some things
[04:29.000 --> 04:35.000]  that happened this week with PayPal and our fundraiser.
[04:35.000 --> 04:42.000]  I have been following this story with PayPal, and I realize the problems with PayPal,
[04:42.000 --> 04:49.000]  how they're the devil, and all of that, and I did get a few emails from people kind of almost berating me
[04:49.000 --> 04:55.000]  for using PayPal as a method of payment for our donations and things like this,
[04:55.000 --> 05:01.000]  and so I just wanted to address this issue and some related issues.
[05:01.000 --> 05:07.000]  Okay, folks, listen. Randy and I very well know that PayPal is the devil, okay?
[05:07.000 --> 05:14.000]  I would love to not have to use PayPal. I would love to boycott the entire banking system.
[05:14.000 --> 05:19.000]  All right, but if I did that, I'd probably have to shut the network down
[05:19.000 --> 05:28.000]  because most of my donations come through the banking system and mainly through PayPal.
[05:28.000 --> 05:36.000]  And there's other reasons for PayPal that I pretty much am, my hands are tied as far as PayPal is concerned.
[05:36.000 --> 05:44.000]  I have to maintain and upgrade specialized equipment and computers on a regular basis.
[05:44.000 --> 05:46.000]  Hence, that's one of the reasons for the fundraiser.
[05:46.000 --> 05:53.000]  In order for me to be able to properly maintain the equipment and get new motherboards for computers
[05:53.000 --> 05:57.000]  and get new equipment to run telephone systems and whatnot,
[05:57.000 --> 06:05.000]  I have to be able to spend the least amount of money possible to get the best equipment possible.
[06:05.000 --> 06:09.000]  When I say we are doing this on a shoestring budget,
[06:09.000 --> 06:16.000]  what I really mean is we're doing this on a dental floss budget, or let's just call it a thread even.
[06:16.000 --> 06:22.000]  All right, and that means that I have to deal with reputable dealers on eBay
[06:22.000 --> 06:30.000]  that offer the highest quality new equipment and computer parts and circuit boards and things like this
[06:30.000 --> 06:35.000]  at the most cut rate, lowest prices available.
[06:35.000 --> 06:40.000]  And guess what, folks? Those kinds of dealers, they only take one method of payment.
[06:40.000 --> 06:44.000]  You know what that is? PayPal.
[06:44.000 --> 06:51.000]  All right, so if I'm going to eliminate PayPal out of my life of dealing with Logos Radio Network,
[06:51.000 --> 06:56.000]  that means I'm going to be cutting off most of my donations,
[06:56.000 --> 07:01.000]  and it's also going to mean that I'm going to have to deal with dealers for computer equipment
[07:01.000 --> 07:06.000]  and parts and things like this that I'm going to have to pay exorbitant rates for,
[07:06.000 --> 07:10.000]  and I won't be able to afford it. All right?
[07:10.000 --> 07:15.000]  So I'm sorry, but my hands are tied. I would love to boycott the banking system.
[07:15.000 --> 07:19.000]  I would love to boycott all these evil entities.
[07:19.000 --> 07:22.000]  All right, let's just take this one step further.
[07:22.000 --> 07:29.000]  Let's just take this rationale to its full logistical end, okay?
[07:29.000 --> 07:32.000]  What about the Internet, all right?
[07:32.000 --> 07:35.000]  I'd love to boycott Time Warner.
[07:35.000 --> 07:37.000]  All right, they're the devil, too.
[07:37.000 --> 07:39.000]  Well, what's the other option?
[07:39.000 --> 07:46.000]  Let's see, Google? Google Fiber Optic? I don't think so.
[07:46.000 --> 07:50.000]  What's another option? Let's see, AT&T Fios?
[07:50.000 --> 07:55.000]  Is AT&T any better than Time Warner? I don't think so.
[07:55.000 --> 07:59.000]  DSL? Well, that's AT&T. That's Southwestern Bell infrastructure.
[07:59.000 --> 08:01.000]  They're the devil, too.
[08:01.000 --> 08:09.000]  I mean, even if you want to use some kind of, you know, off-the-wall, independent ISP,
[08:09.000 --> 08:14.000]  they're still going to use the telephone lines, and they're owned by guess who?
[08:14.000 --> 08:16.000]  AT&T and Southwestern Bell.
[08:16.000 --> 08:18.000]  Okay, so it gets to the point that's like, well, what should I do?
[08:18.000 --> 08:20.000]  Just not have Internet?
[08:20.000 --> 08:25.000]  Because any Internet provider and the related infrastructure is owned by a devil company.
[08:25.000 --> 08:27.000]  So what should I do then?
[08:27.000 --> 08:32.000]  Should I just like use posts to just forget email even and no Internet
[08:32.000 --> 08:37.000]  and just like mail out newsletters or something to try to get the word out?
[08:37.000 --> 08:42.000]  I mean, if I don't use the banking system, I can't, people with credit cards can't give me donations.
[08:42.000 --> 08:44.000]  I mean, what are people supposed to do?
[08:44.000 --> 08:49.000]  I mean, if I completely eliminate all the bank accounts, too, then I can't even cash checks.
[08:49.000 --> 08:52.000]  I couldn't even cash a money order.
[08:52.000 --> 08:54.000]  I mean, how am I going to pay for the Internet?
[08:54.000 --> 08:56.000]  How am I going to pay the power company?
[08:56.000 --> 09:01.000]  How am I going to do anything if I don't somehow go into the Matrix?
[09:01.000 --> 09:06.000]  All right, and this is an analogy that I really like, that Matrix trilogy movie.
[09:06.000 --> 09:12.000]  I mean, Trinity went in the Matrix, and so did Neo.
[09:12.000 --> 09:18.000]  Okay, sometimes you have to go into the Matrix in order to try to take it down, folks, all right?
[09:18.000 --> 09:23.000]  And, you know, let's just talk about computers and operating systems, for example.
[09:23.000 --> 09:30.000]  I get railed on sometimes by people because I may use a Mac or Windows for something, all right?
[09:30.000 --> 09:31.000]  Hey, you know what?
[09:31.000 --> 09:32.000]  I hate Mac.
[09:32.000 --> 09:33.000]  I hate Apple.
[09:33.000 --> 09:35.000]  I hate Bill Gates and Windows.
[09:35.000 --> 09:39.000]  I'd love to not have to use any of their operating systems.
[09:39.000 --> 09:45.000]  But you know what? In order to run a radio network like this, I have to have very high,
[09:45.000 --> 09:53.000]  highly specialized proprietary niche market type of sound cards.
[09:53.000 --> 09:54.000]  And you know what?
[09:54.000 --> 09:59.000]  They don't make drivers for them for Linux, folks, all right?
[09:59.000 --> 10:06.000]  I have to use highly specialized type of software to run all these streams and archiving.
[10:06.000 --> 10:09.000]  And you know what? It only runs on Windows.
[10:09.000 --> 10:12.000]  It won't even run on a Windows shell on a Mac, okay?
[10:12.000 --> 10:16.000]  And so what am I supposed to do, just not have a radio network
[10:16.000 --> 10:19.000]  because I don't want to have anything to do with Windows or Apple?
[10:19.000 --> 10:21.000]  Well, let's consider telephones for a minute.
[10:21.000 --> 10:23.000]  And I'm sorry if I'm tirading here,
[10:23.000 --> 10:28.000]  but I think I really need to take this all the way to its logistical end.
[10:28.000 --> 10:34.000]  All right, let's look at telephones, for example, cell phones and smartphones.
[10:34.000 --> 10:37.000]  You basically only have two choices.
[10:37.000 --> 10:42.000]  You can use an iPhone or you can have an Android.
[10:42.000 --> 10:45.000]  Okay, well, I know people that boycott Google, but guess what?
[10:45.000 --> 10:47.000]  They still have an Android.
[10:47.000 --> 10:48.000]  Well, guess what, folks?
[10:48.000 --> 10:50.000]  Android is Google.
[10:50.000 --> 10:55.000]  You can't use Android phones without having a Gmail account, all right?
[10:55.000 --> 10:59.000]  So an iPhone, well, that's Apple.
[10:59.000 --> 11:01.000]  Well, they're the devil, too.
[11:01.000 --> 11:02.000]  So what are you going to do?
[11:02.000 --> 11:05.000]  Not have a smartphone and not use Internet on your phone?
[11:05.000 --> 11:08.000]  Okay, well, maybe that is an option.
[11:08.000 --> 11:13.000]  But if you pursue that option, guess what you cannot do?
[11:13.000 --> 11:21.000]  You can't have the ability to live video stream to the Internet
[11:21.000 --> 11:24.000]  when you see something heinous going on,
[11:24.000 --> 11:28.000]  like a police officer beating the crap out of somebody on the side of the road
[11:28.000 --> 11:33.000]  for no reason or maybe beating you for no reason, all right?
[11:33.000 --> 11:37.000]  Because if you've just got your video camera that is not attached to the Internet,
[11:37.000 --> 11:44.000]  that doesn't live stream, then the police can always grab your camera and smash it.
[11:44.000 --> 11:45.000]  Guess what?
[11:45.000 --> 11:47.000]  Evidence gone.
[11:47.000 --> 11:50.000]  All right, the only way that you can make sure to preserve evidence like that
[11:50.000 --> 11:57.000]  is you have got to have some kind of method of live streaming video to the Internet
[11:57.000 --> 12:02.000]  in progress so in case the police grab your phone and smash it,
[12:02.000 --> 12:04.000]  then you know what?
[12:04.000 --> 12:07.000]  It's okay because the evidence is preserved.
[12:07.000 --> 12:10.000]  I mean, it may not be okay, but at least the evidence is preserved.
[12:10.000 --> 12:13.000]  And so if you want to completely boycott Apple and Google and Internet
[12:13.000 --> 12:16.000]  and everything else and all the Internet service providers
[12:16.000 --> 12:19.000]  and the entire Internet structure because it's totally the devil,
[12:19.000 --> 12:22.000]  well, then you take your own life in your own hands
[12:22.000 --> 12:26.000]  and you leave your house and go out in your car at your own peril, okay?
[12:26.000 --> 12:32.000]  Because there's no way that you can have the ability to live stream video to the Internet.
[12:32.000 --> 12:33.000]  And good luck, folks.
[12:33.000 --> 12:35.000]  I ain't going to do that.
[12:35.000 --> 12:40.000]  And so the point I'm trying to make here, folks, I'm sorry if I'm on a tirade here,
[12:40.000 --> 12:46.000]  but the point I'm trying to make here is that at some point we have to be reasonable
[12:46.000 --> 12:50.000]  and we have to realize that this is not called being a sellout.
[12:50.000 --> 12:55.000]  This is called doing whatever it takes to fight back.
[12:55.000 --> 13:00.000]  And I don't call it compromising either because little Deborah Stevens shutting down
[13:00.000 --> 13:05.000]  Logos Radio Network because PayPal is about the only way she gets any donations
[13:05.000 --> 13:08.000]  to keep this thing on the air, okay?
[13:08.000 --> 13:12.000]  So little Deborah Stevens shutting down the network in order to boycott PayPal
[13:12.000 --> 13:16.000]  and boycott Time Warner and boycott Bill Gates and all these things,
[13:16.000 --> 13:19.000]  what good is that going to do us all?
[13:19.000 --> 13:23.000]  I don't think that's going to do anybody any good, okay?
[13:23.000 --> 13:31.000]  I mean, what's going to do some good is the masses boycotting Google and PayPal
[13:31.000 --> 13:33.000]  and Bill Gates and Windows.
[13:33.000 --> 13:37.000]  All right, so folks out there, I'm not trying to say I'm something special, all right,
[13:37.000 --> 13:43.000]  because I know I'm not, but I'm just saying that the job that I have to do
[13:43.000 --> 13:48.000]  and the burden that has been placed upon me by our dear Lord in Christ, Jesus,
[13:48.000 --> 13:53.000]  our God and Father, it requires certain tools, okay?
[13:53.000 --> 14:00.000]  And I can't perform my function and I cannot accomplish, you know,
[14:00.000 --> 14:05.000]  the mastery of what has to be done and the task at hand if I don't have certain tools.
[14:05.000 --> 14:10.000]  So folks out there, if you can get along without Internet at all, be my guest, okay?
[14:10.000 --> 14:14.000]  If you can get along with just a Linux system because you don't have to have
[14:14.000 --> 14:18.000]  specialized sound cards where the only drivers they make are for Windows,
[14:18.000 --> 14:22.000]  if you can get along with just e-mail and just basic stuff,
[14:22.000 --> 14:27.000]  then I highly encourage you to use Linux and to dump Apple and Windows, okay?
[14:27.000 --> 14:30.000]  But I cannot do that, all right?
[14:30.000 --> 14:34.000]  So please have a little mercy on me because I'm trying to run a fundraiser here
[14:34.000 --> 14:37.000]  to keep us on the air and to keep this message on the air.
[14:37.000 --> 14:41.000]  And if you guys want to boycott all that stuff, I am happy for you
[14:41.000 --> 14:44.000]  and I really hope that you do, all right?
[14:44.000 --> 14:47.000]  But if I did that, you wouldn't be hearing my voice right now
[14:47.000 --> 14:50.000]  and you wouldn't be hearing Randy and you wouldn't be hearing anybody else
[14:50.000 --> 14:53.000]  for that matter that we put out on the air and these important messages
[14:53.000 --> 14:57.000]  about vaccines and how to stick up for your rights in court
[14:57.000 --> 15:01.000]  without needing an attorney and all these other things, all right?
[15:01.000 --> 15:06.000]  So I just want to put out that word because I just think it's a little much
[15:06.000 --> 15:12.000]  for people to try to accuse me of supporting the system
[15:12.000 --> 15:15.000]  because I don't opt out of Google, or I mean, I'm sorry,
[15:15.000 --> 15:17.000]  because I don't opt out of PayPal.
[15:17.000 --> 15:20.000]  There's a reason for that, all right?
[15:20.000 --> 15:23.000]  So anyway, we're about to go to break, but Randy, do you,
[15:23.000 --> 15:26.000]  I didn't mean to tie-rate so long, but do you have any comments about this
[15:26.000 --> 15:28.000]  before we bring on our guest?
[15:28.000 --> 15:33.000]  Yeah, I don't have a problem dancing with the devil.
[15:33.000 --> 15:37.000]  If we're going to beat him, we're not going to beat him
[15:37.000 --> 15:46.000]  by purporting to hold some high ideals that are impossible to maintain.
[15:46.000 --> 15:53.000]  We're going to have to get dirty and, you know, I'm working on the legal system,
[15:53.000 --> 15:58.000]  but I'm not standing outside the legal system shaking my finger at it.
[15:58.000 --> 16:07.000]  And all of these technologies, they are not evil by their nature.
[16:07.000 --> 16:11.000]  And we're not going to fix them by running away and hiding from them.
[16:11.000 --> 16:14.000]  Let's fix them. Let's use them. Let's work with them.
[16:14.000 --> 16:20.000]  Let's encourage those people using these systems to do them differently.
[16:20.000 --> 16:29.000]  But there is a group within the patriot movement
[16:29.000 --> 16:37.000]  that seems to have some sort of a, I don't know, elitist
[16:37.000 --> 16:45.000]  or some idea that we can just magically fix things
[16:45.000 --> 16:47.000]  and keep our hands clean in the process.
[16:47.000 --> 16:53.000]  I mean folks, I can't use a string and a couple of tin cans to get this message out.
[16:53.000 --> 16:54.000]  I need technology.
[16:54.000 --> 16:56.000]  All right, we're going to be right back with our very special guest.
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[19:09.000 --> 19:11.000]  We got it!
[19:22.000 --> 19:24.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[19:24.000 --> 19:28.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens.
[19:28.000 --> 19:30.000]  And we are here with a very special guest tonight,
[19:30.000 --> 19:33.000]  Chris Hall from Zombie Killers Ammo and Guns.
[19:33.000 --> 19:36.000]  He's been a guest on a couple of times within the last month or so.
[19:36.000 --> 19:42.000]  And we are having him on tonight because, once again, he has stepped up to the plate
[19:42.000 --> 19:45.000]  and is helping us out with our annual fundraiser.
[19:45.000 --> 19:50.000]  And, folks, we do need to raise some funds for this evil technology that we have to use
[19:50.000 --> 19:53.000]  in order to get the message out to you folks out there.
[19:53.000 --> 19:58.000]  And so Chris has offered to donate here to our fundraiser.
[19:58.000 --> 20:03.000]  We have got two firearms this year, two of them now.
[20:03.000 --> 20:06.000]  And the details are on logosradionetwork.com.
[20:06.000 --> 20:09.000]  We're going to have another drawing like we had last year.
[20:09.000 --> 20:10.000]  It was a huge success.
[20:10.000 --> 20:13.000]  Everyone was very excited about it.
[20:13.000 --> 20:16.000]  And I know that the winners were very happy.
[20:16.000 --> 20:22.000]  And so this year we have two firearms for you guys and gals out there
[20:22.000 --> 20:24.000]  from Zombie Killers Ammo and Guns.
[20:24.000 --> 20:30.000]  We have a Ruger LC9 with a laser and holster.
[20:30.000 --> 20:34.000]  And we also have for the second prize, second place prize,
[20:34.000 --> 20:40.000]  we have a Mosin M1891-30 with a bayonet.
[20:40.000 --> 20:41.000]  You should see this, folks.
[20:41.000 --> 20:42.000]  It looks beautiful.
[20:42.000 --> 20:43.000]  It looks like something.
[20:43.000 --> 20:45.000]  It's totally old school.
[20:45.000 --> 20:52.000]  It's a bolt-action five-round rifle that is a Russian military weapon.
[20:52.000 --> 20:55.000]  And I'm going to let Chris tell us about it.
[20:55.000 --> 21:01.000]  But just briefly, for the drawing, this year we are having $25.
[21:01.000 --> 21:04.000]  You get a chance to win.
[21:04.000 --> 21:06.000]  You get your name put in the hat.
[21:06.000 --> 21:10.000]  So every $25 gets your name in the hat one time.
[21:10.000 --> 21:15.000]  So if you donate $100, you get your name put in the hat four times.
[21:15.000 --> 21:20.000]  And everyone knows from last time that the drawing is completely legitimate
[21:20.000 --> 21:23.000]  and it's not an inside job.
[21:23.000 --> 21:26.000]  I use a third-party drawing service, random.org,
[21:26.000 --> 21:30.000]  and I posted the results on the website.
[21:30.000 --> 21:36.000]  And people could go to random.org and go to the drawing that I had on random.org,
[21:36.000 --> 21:40.000]  third-party website, and I used people's first names
[21:40.000 --> 21:43.000]  and the first initial of their last name.
[21:43.000 --> 21:46.000]  I did not use email addresses, and it was a public drawing.
[21:46.000 --> 21:52.000]  And so that way folks could go and look on the list and find themselves,
[21:52.000 --> 21:55.000]  but nobody else would know who they were because I didn't use the last names
[21:55.000 --> 21:58.000]  and I didn't say what state they were from or anything like that.
[21:58.000 --> 22:04.000]  So people could go and look and confirm that their name was on the list
[22:04.000 --> 22:07.000]  the accurate number of times.
[22:07.000 --> 22:11.000]  So you could go and look, and if you knew you donated $100,
[22:11.000 --> 22:15.000]  you were able to go and look on the list and find yourself on the list four times.
[22:15.000 --> 22:21.000]  And so that way everyone could confirm that it was an accurate drawing
[22:21.000 --> 22:23.000]  and I didn't make any mistakes.
[22:23.000 --> 22:26.000]  I double-checked it, triple-checked it, quadruple-checked it.
[22:26.000 --> 22:30.000]  I actually checked it at least a dozen times before I submitted the list to random.org,
[22:30.000 --> 22:34.000]  and I had those results posted for a few months actually.
[22:34.000 --> 22:38.000]  And nobody contacted me to tell me that I had made any mistakes.
[22:38.000 --> 22:42.000]  So we're going to do the same thing again this year, so I hope that everyone gets in.
[22:42.000 --> 22:49.000]  And also, whatever you donate in excess of $25, you also receive one of the other perks.
[22:49.000 --> 22:57.000]  So that means you've got the colloidal silver, ionic silver, there are statutes of liberty,
[22:57.000 --> 22:59.000]  the liberty scrolls, artisan.
[22:59.000 --> 23:02.000]  Martin Fry is donating certain items.
[23:02.000 --> 23:07.000]  There's tote bags, gift certificates to bring new books, all kinds of things up there.
[23:07.000 --> 23:13.000]  You will still get those perks in addition to your name being put into the drawing.
[23:13.000 --> 23:16.000]  And, of course, if you don't want your name in the drawing,
[23:16.000 --> 23:18.000]  it doesn't have to go in the drawing, okay?
[23:18.000 --> 23:19.000]  I got some emails last year.
[23:19.000 --> 23:22.000]  I would have donated, but I didn't want my name in the drawing.
[23:22.000 --> 23:24.000]  Okay, it's not a requirement.
[23:24.000 --> 23:25.000]  You have to have your name in the drawing.
[23:25.000 --> 23:29.000]  So those are the general guidelines, same as last year.
[23:29.000 --> 23:31.000]  And you can go to the website, logosradionetwork.com.
[23:31.000 --> 23:35.000]  To get more details, click on the banner with the two beautiful fire-ons.
[23:35.000 --> 23:37.000]  It will take you to another page with the details.
[23:37.000 --> 23:41.000]  And so, Chris, tell us about these firearms.
[23:41.000 --> 23:45.000]  And apparently this year there's not a limitation as far as states.
[23:45.000 --> 23:47.000]  From what we discussed last night,
[23:47.000 --> 23:52.000]  it looks like both of these firearms are lawful in every state.
[23:52.000 --> 23:55.000]  So can you please tell us a little more about that?
[23:55.000 --> 23:56.000]  Correct.
[23:56.000 --> 23:59.000]  As far as I know, as long as you get the right kind of ammo
[23:59.000 --> 24:03.000]  and don't load them up with hollow points or steel core bullets,
[24:03.000 --> 24:06.000]  you know you should be legal in every state.
[24:06.000 --> 24:09.000]  The Ruger is a subcompact.
[24:09.000 --> 24:13.000]  This one has the Vivian laser, which means it's a green laser,
[24:13.000 --> 24:15.000]  and it comes on when you take it out of the holster.
[24:15.000 --> 24:18.000]  So you don't have to fiddle with buttons.
[24:18.000 --> 24:22.000]  You don't have to poke for this, poke for that, or fight with it,
[24:22.000 --> 24:23.000]  or cover it, or anything like that.
[24:23.000 --> 24:26.000]  As soon as it leaves the holster, the laser's on,
[24:26.000 --> 24:30.000]  and of course we'll make sure it's dead on target before we send it out.
[24:30.000 --> 24:37.000]  The Mosin-Nagant is a 7.62x54R.
[24:37.000 --> 24:39.000]  It's a surplus weapon.
[24:39.000 --> 24:46.000]  And what that means is that it actually saw some duty in World War II.
[24:46.000 --> 24:51.000]  It fires a round that's about halfway between the.30-06 and the.308.
[24:51.000 --> 24:59.000]  So it kicks about like a.270, and it's pretty good at about 600 yards.
[24:59.000 --> 25:01.000]  It's got iron sights on it.
[25:01.000 --> 25:06.000]  And since they're military surplus, if this one looks a little rough when I first get it,
[25:06.000 --> 25:08.000]  I'll go ahead and completely refinish it.
[25:08.000 --> 25:13.000]  That way you've got a brand new finish with all the marks and everything that you can see.
[25:13.000 --> 25:14.000]  You'll be proud to have this one.
[25:14.000 --> 25:17.000]  You can hang this one on the wall.
[25:17.000 --> 25:18.000]  It certainly looks beautiful.
[25:18.000 --> 25:24.000]  It looks like a work of art, and it looks like an item that could be in a museum.
[25:24.000 --> 25:28.000]  When I saw the picture, I was like, wow, it even has a bayonet on it.
[25:28.000 --> 25:30.000]  I love it.
[25:30.000 --> 25:35.000]  Yeah, they're excellent for hunting pigs or anything like that,
[25:35.000 --> 25:38.000]  because you can stand off with the animal in case you didn't get a good shot
[25:38.000 --> 25:42.000]  and they're going to go kicking and moving or coming after you.
[25:42.000 --> 25:46.000]  And I've seen guys do a torture test on this gun.
[25:46.000 --> 25:50.000]  They've broken the cinder block down into nothing by beating it with this gun.
[25:50.000 --> 25:53.000]  Now it's a perfect zombie killer gun.
[25:53.000 --> 25:57.000]  Use it whenever you need to use it, and it'll go bang every time.
[25:57.000 --> 25:58.000]  I love it.
[25:58.000 --> 26:02.000]  Now, when you sent me the email last night with a description about it,
[26:02.000 --> 26:07.000]  and I probably should post this description on the website for the details.
[26:07.000 --> 26:09.000]  I haven't had a chance to do that yet.
[26:09.000 --> 26:14.000]  You were saying that there have been some modifications to this over the years.
[26:14.000 --> 26:17.000]  The original issue was in 1891.
[26:17.000 --> 26:23.000]  So can you tell us about the progression of what this gun has gone through?
[26:23.000 --> 26:27.000]  Well, it was really a completely different design.
[26:27.000 --> 26:29.000]  Excuse me.
[26:29.000 --> 26:34.000]  Then what ended up happening was they needed a.30 caliber weapon, which is a 7.62,
[26:34.000 --> 26:41.000]  because the.30 caliber weapons have a lot more of a drop or a knockdown power in wartime.
[26:41.000 --> 26:47.000]  And the Russians realized or the Soviet Union realized that they were losing badly
[26:47.000 --> 26:52.000]  in the fact that they couldn't get multiple rounds on target and they couldn't hit very hard.
[26:52.000 --> 26:58.000]  So they put out a deal to get three people to come up with a new design.
[26:58.000 --> 27:05.000]  Well, the Mosin Nagant before this was actually the Nagant rifle.
[27:05.000 --> 27:06.000]  It lost.
[27:06.000 --> 27:08.000]  Well, it kind of won.
[27:08.000 --> 27:11.000]  And they didn't like the way it worked.
[27:11.000 --> 27:16.000]  So in 1891, they completely revamped it.
[27:16.000 --> 27:24.000]  And it isn't the longest production and currently in use military rifle in the world.
[27:24.000 --> 27:26.000]  It does exactly what it's supposed to do.
[27:26.000 --> 27:30.000]  At 100 yards, if you're using the soft steel core ammo,
[27:30.000 --> 27:35.000]  it'll punch through a.38 steel plate like it's not even there.
[27:35.000 --> 27:36.000]  It's a lot of fun.
[27:36.000 --> 27:38.000]  These are a lot of fun to shoot.
[27:38.000 --> 27:39.000]  That's amazing.
[27:39.000 --> 27:42.000]  Now, was it originally a five shot?
[27:42.000 --> 27:45.000]  Yes, it's always had the internal magazine.
[27:45.000 --> 27:50.000]  And that's what's really good about this one is it's being a bolt action rifle
[27:50.000 --> 27:52.000]  and having only the five shot internal magazine.
[27:52.000 --> 27:55.000]  There's no place where it is illegal.
[27:55.000 --> 27:58.000]  From my research, I can't find any place where it's illegal.
[27:58.000 --> 28:04.000]  You just have to make sure that the ammo that you use isn't the original mil-spec ammo,
[28:04.000 --> 28:07.000]  which has the soft steel core in a few places.
[28:07.000 --> 28:09.000]  Here in Texas, shoot it up.
[28:09.000 --> 28:18.000]  You can get 440 rounds of the steel core or the light ball ammo for about $120 after shipping.
[28:18.000 --> 28:20.000]  That sounds like a pretty good deal.
[28:20.000 --> 28:22.000]  And what about the Ruger?
[28:22.000 --> 28:24.000]  Tell us about that one.
[28:24.000 --> 28:26.000]  How many shots is that one?
[28:26.000 --> 28:32.000]  The Ruger is seven plus one, which means even in New York it's legal under the SAFE Act.
[28:32.000 --> 28:36.000]  And it is a polymer pistol, steel top, steel barrel.
[28:36.000 --> 28:39.000]  This one has had the Vivian laser put on it.
[28:39.000 --> 28:46.000]  The Vivian laser is a green light laser that this one is set up to come on with the holster.
[28:46.000 --> 28:51.000]  This is really good that you have this holster on when you pull this gun out,
[28:51.000 --> 28:53.000]  that laser comes on immediately.
[28:53.000 --> 28:59.000]  You don't have to push buttons and you don't have to not forget to turn it off
[28:59.000 --> 29:03.000]  and put it back in and wonder why you don't have your laser when you need it.
[29:03.000 --> 29:08.000]  And it's also chambered in nine millimeter instead of the typical 380.
[29:08.000 --> 29:12.000]  Being a gun guy, I like the nine millimeter a little bit more.
[29:12.000 --> 29:16.000]  It does have a little bit more of a kick than the 380 does,
[29:16.000 --> 29:21.000]  but it's not something that can't be mitigated though their practice.
[29:21.000 --> 29:26.000]  Well, folks, I hope you all are happy with the gun giveaway this year.
[29:26.000 --> 29:30.000]  I know there were a couple of people who seemed to sneer at the AR-15
[29:30.000 --> 29:34.000]  because it wasn't as high of a caliber as something like a.308.
[29:34.000 --> 29:37.000]  Well, this year we got something a little bit higher caliber for you all.
[29:37.000 --> 29:40.000]  So that is the second place and the first place is the Ruger.
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[33:12.000 --> 33:26.000]  Yeah, Mr. Officer, you're taking the life you have. Won't you follow the law of the land? I don't understand.
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[33:50.000 --> 33:58.000]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig and Deborah Stevens. And we are here with a very special guest, Chris Hall from Zombie Killers, Ammo and Guns.
[33:58.000 --> 34:02.000]  And we are here discussing our gun giveaway.
[34:02.000 --> 34:08.000]  And Chris just went over the firearms that we are giving away in the drawing this time.
[34:08.000 --> 34:18.000]  And, Chris, you wanted to just give us a, you know, you've got your finger on the pulse of what's going on as far as the gun grabbing and all of that.
[34:18.000 --> 34:24.000]  So why don't you let us know what you have seen lately? What are the trends?
[34:24.000 --> 34:32.000]  Well, one of the reasons why I picked the Mosin Nagant for this was because it is considered a foreign-made military weapon.
[34:32.000 --> 34:39.000]  And it is falling under a new ATF ban on the importation of these types of weapons.
[34:39.000 --> 34:53.000]  They're trying to stop Sega shotguns, AK-47s, SKSs, the Mosin. And there's actually some Israeli firearms, too, that they're trying to ban coming in.
[34:53.000 --> 35:01.000]  That also bans a lot of the surplus ammo that we've been getting because it comes from a lot of these other countries.
[35:01.000 --> 35:06.000]  Right now, it looks like we're not seeing a whole lot of changes in the laws.
[35:06.000 --> 35:12.000]  And they got their butt kicked pretty badly the last time they tried anything in Congress.
[35:12.000 --> 35:17.000]  But California and New York is actually confiscating weapons.
[35:17.000 --> 35:21.000]  New York is extremely bad because it's doing what's their safe fact.
[35:21.000 --> 35:31.000]  And they're actually coming and saying, look, if you have a weapon that originally was okay and it took a certain number around and it was registered, well, you can't register it this time.
[35:31.000 --> 35:43.000]  You either have to get rid of it, prove that you've taken it out of state, get a gunsmith to modify it so that you can legally hold it or turn it into the police.
[35:43.000 --> 35:46.000]  Personally, I would be moving if I was up there.
[35:46.000 --> 35:56.000]  But right now, those look like the things that are coming up that gun owners need to be paying attention to.
[35:56.000 --> 36:04.000]  The only other thing that seems to be going on is they're not bringing up a whole lot of the gun stuff because of the election cycle.
[36:04.000 --> 36:16.000]  And with the problems with the Health Care Act, I just don't see them trying to push any gun control through right now unless it happens between Christmas and New Year's.
[36:16.000 --> 36:17.000]  Good.
[36:17.000 --> 36:20.000]  Well, I know that there was a major victory recently.
[36:20.000 --> 36:28.000]  They tried to ram through the assault weapons ban again and they pretty much got their butts whipped on that one.
[36:28.000 --> 36:30.000]  Yeah, that happened right at Thanksgiving.
[36:30.000 --> 36:32.000]  And a lot of people didn't know about that.
[36:32.000 --> 36:45.000]  They tried to add that into that plastic weapons ban, which would have actually banned just about all former made weapons and it would have banned the plastic magazines.
[36:45.000 --> 36:51.000]  It would have really put Magpul out of business this time just because they don't like plastic or something.
[36:51.000 --> 36:55.000]  Yeah, they don't like plastic for several reasons.
[36:55.000 --> 36:57.000]  They can't detect it with metal detectors.
[36:57.000 --> 37:10.000]  And the other reason they don't like plastic is because this 3D printing technology has gotten to the point now where people can just start making their own guns out of plastic with the 3D printers.
[37:10.000 --> 37:17.000]  Well, yes and no. The problem with that is first off, your ammunition always has a metal case and it has a metal slide.
[37:17.000 --> 37:18.000]  That's true.
[37:18.000 --> 37:24.000]  The other problem is gunpowder actually shows up on a metal detector.
[37:24.000 --> 37:27.000]  Most people don't know that, but it is metallic in nature.
[37:27.000 --> 37:30.000]  You can actually make it stick to a magnet.
[37:30.000 --> 37:35.000]  And a lot of firearms have to have metal parts in them.
[37:35.000 --> 37:45.000]  And especially if you've got the barrel that's the chamber of the round, you're not going to want to be shooting a plastic version of that.
[37:45.000 --> 37:51.000]  Right now, that one was a little silly, the whole plastic ban.
[37:51.000 --> 37:53.000]  It's been a little silly for a while.
[37:53.000 --> 38:07.000]  There is a company though that has used a 3D printer using metallic layup materials and they were able to make a very nice 1911 that shot thousands of rounds.
[38:07.000 --> 38:12.000]  But that's an experimental printer. It's several hundred thousand dollars.
[38:12.000 --> 38:15.000]  What were you asking about?
[38:15.000 --> 38:29.000]  Oh, yeah. There was another question about the import, the clown in chief you were telling me about last night about wanting to ban the importation of foreign military weapons.
[38:29.000 --> 38:42.000]  Right. And that one's going to be pretty complicated because that was an executive order that changes how the ACF and customs regulates what comes in and out.
[38:42.000 --> 38:46.000]  There's not a whole lot of ways around that one.
[38:46.000 --> 39:03.000]  Typically what happens is if someone like myself, a manufacturer can go to say Thailand or we can go to, you know, Ria or Vietnam and we can buy a boatload full of parts.
[39:03.000 --> 39:10.000]  And then we can bring them back here into the United States and assemble them and they have to be assembled with 80% American made parts.
[39:10.000 --> 39:18.000]  Well, that means that the receiver, the stock, they are pretty much the only original parts.
[39:18.000 --> 39:22.000]  Everything inside of it is American made. The barrel is American made.
[39:22.000 --> 39:31.000]  That's where, you know, unless it says it's actually surplus and you can always tell because a real surplus weapon won't have a serial number on it.
[39:31.000 --> 39:35.000]  That's just an American thing. We put serial numbers on that stuff.
[39:35.000 --> 39:44.000]  The other countries, they don't have that kind of stuff. And when you'll see a gun that's actually truly been imported, it'll have a serial number etched into it.
[39:44.000 --> 39:54.000]  So if you're a curious and relics collector, a lot of times it damages the value of that weapon to the point that it's useless.
[39:54.000 --> 39:59.000]  Interesting. Randy, did you have a question for our guest?
[39:59.000 --> 40:02.000]  Not a question, just a comment.
[40:02.000 --> 40:12.000]  There was a shooting recently where someone went into a school after a teacher in Colorado.
[40:12.000 --> 40:27.000]  And I was surprised that almost immediately the commentators were discussing how this, you know, why this was so much a problem
[40:27.000 --> 40:34.000]  that this particular one ended quickly because when the police got there, they didn't screw around.
[40:34.000 --> 40:38.000]  They charged right in there after him and he shot himself before they got to him.
[40:38.000 --> 40:47.000]  So it stopped quickly and they were, this was in Colorado, knew where the Columbine shooting occurred.
[40:47.000 --> 40:58.000]  And they were commenting that this stopped quickly because the shooter was looking at facing other guns.
[40:58.000 --> 41:08.000]  And they were discussing on national TV, which is the first time I'd seen done this way, about arming the teachers.
[41:08.000 --> 41:16.000]  And they addressed the whole issue of gun control from a whole different perspective.
[41:16.000 --> 41:21.000]  This time the public media, instead of being behind gun control,
[41:21.000 --> 41:30.000]  they seemed to be in favor of at least the teachers being armed or at least having the right to be armed
[41:30.000 --> 41:40.000]  so that anyone attempting to go into a place that he thought was otherwise been gun free, he couldn't be guaranteed of that.
[41:40.000 --> 41:51.000]  And, you know, when the blast occurred at the movie theater shooting, we were saying that, you know, this guy, he wanted to go to a turkey shoot.
[41:51.000 --> 41:56.000]  Oh, yeah. They always had, they always staged these shootings in a gun free zone.
[41:56.000 --> 42:02.000]  Yeah. They, they wanted, he wanted a turkey shoot. He did not want those turkeys shooting back at him.
[42:02.000 --> 42:12.000]  So whatever they say about gun control, the best control we can have on guns is to have everybody have one or have access to it.
[42:12.000 --> 42:21.000]  Absolutely. And Jerry just sent me a message saying that he was reading an article about that, that recent Colorado shooting where there was an armed guard present that actually stopped it.
[42:21.000 --> 42:28.000]  The guy ended up apparently shooting himself because the armed guard was coming and that it took the police another 14 minutes to get there.
[42:28.000 --> 42:35.000]  So just even more reason to arm the teachers, arm, you know, the people that work there.
[42:35.000 --> 42:39.000]  Chris, you were about to say something when Randy was talking.
[42:39.000 --> 42:47.000]  Oh, yeah. I didn't mean to actually interrupt you. That shooting actually occurred 12 miles from Columbine. It's in the Arapahoe County.
[42:47.000 --> 42:55.000]  The officer, the resource officer that responded to that shooting was actually a sheriff and he was there on campus armed.
[42:55.000 --> 42:59.000]  They say that it stopped in less than eight seconds.
[42:59.000 --> 43:07.000]  And the guy came in, fired three to five rounds that I haven't heard the definitive amount just yet.
[43:07.000 --> 43:16.000]  Never got a chance to reload. He did throw a Motov cocktail, but it was basically a dud.
[43:16.000 --> 43:21.000]  It wasn't produced correctly. And then the officer was able to confront him.
[43:21.000 --> 43:28.000]  So in 80 seconds, a shooting that could have gone on for 30 minutes,
[43:28.000 --> 43:38.000]  which is eight times longer than Sandy Hook with a much more devastating weapon, was stopped by a sheriff's officer there.
[43:38.000 --> 43:43.000]  Amazing. What a case for self-defense. All right, Chris, thank you for joining us tonight.
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[47:55.000 --> 48:01.000]  All right. We are going to take your calls now. First caller up, we've got Mike from Texas.
[48:01.000 --> 48:05.000]  Mike, thank you for calling in. What is your question or comment tonight?
[48:05.000 --> 48:10.000]  Oh, hi, Deborah. I wanted to thank you very much for having me on all these past years.
[48:10.000 --> 48:12.000]  Sure, of course.
[48:12.000 --> 48:21.000]  Let's see. Well, Randy asked me to call in. I'm not certain. I guess he wanted me to provide a status update,
[48:21.000 --> 48:25.000]  or was there anything in particular that you wanted me to do, Randy?
[48:25.000 --> 48:29.000]  Yes. Kind of bring us up to speed on the crap hole that they're trying to pull.
[48:29.000 --> 48:40.000]  Yeah, we especially want to talk about our illustrious Austin constables. One of the primary things they do is serve process.
[48:40.000 --> 48:47.000]  But apparently, they don't hire the sharpest knives in the drawer.
[48:47.000 --> 48:51.000]  Would you explain the problem we're having with the constables?
[48:51.000 --> 49:06.000]  Well, in January 5th, 2011, I was arrested for having an audio recorder around my neck and I was jailed.
[49:06.000 --> 49:13.000]  Now, wait a minute. That audio recorder was a deadly weapon.
[49:13.000 --> 49:22.000]  It was, because I'm sure that, well, it could have, it should be in a more lawful system,
[49:22.000 --> 49:29.000]  and it would be very harmful to the careers of the people involved. So, I guess it depends on your definition.
[49:29.000 --> 49:38.000]  For those of you who don't know the story, he was going into court watch, and he had taken on the city of Austin,
[49:38.000 --> 49:47.000]  and it appears as though the county sheriff's department was trying to retaliate against him,
[49:47.000 --> 49:53.000]  and he was holding a digital recorder he had on landing around his neck.
[49:53.000 --> 49:56.000]  And what did they say they arrested you for?
[49:56.000 --> 50:04.000]  They initially described it as a long, dark object that potentially could have been a weapon.
[50:04.000 --> 50:11.000]  However, it had... Okay, now this is somebody who's already been through their metal detectors
[50:11.000 --> 50:15.000]  and out the other side and went back to talk to them.
[50:15.000 --> 50:23.000]  Absolutely. The audio recorder in question has been x-rayed. It's been hand-examined at entry.
[50:23.000 --> 50:29.000]  It's been hand-examined by, very carefully, by two other sheriff deputies, both of which arrested me.
[50:29.000 --> 50:38.000]  And by the video, for over a minute, they examined it, so they knew exactly what it was.
[50:38.000 --> 50:43.000]  And when I produced it, they didn't jump on me immediately,
[50:43.000 --> 50:49.000]  which would be the natural instinct if you actually thought it was an object that could cause you harm.
[50:49.000 --> 50:56.000]  It took about 10 seconds for it to enable, and they only jumped on me and grabbed me and threw me.
[50:56.000 --> 51:04.000]  After, I started to ask them questions, which was after the device started to indicate that it was ready to record.
[51:04.000 --> 51:11.000]  Well, that wasn't until then that the object became dangerous to them.
[51:11.000 --> 51:16.000]  Yeah, absolutely.
[51:16.000 --> 51:20.000]  This is our Travis County Sheriff's Department.
[51:20.000 --> 51:26.000]  I think they take the guys who can't make it out on the street and they put them in the courthouse
[51:26.000 --> 51:33.000]  where they won't cause as much problems, but they just can't help themselves.
[51:33.000 --> 51:41.000]  Well, the reason I brought that up was because for three years now, minus about a month,
[51:41.000 --> 51:49.000]  I've been trying to get my booking video because they've made a lot of accusations on what occurred back there.
[51:49.000 --> 51:54.000]  I've put in multiple open record requests.
[51:54.000 --> 52:03.000]  I've gone to the attorney general, multiple discoveries, both in county court and federal district court.
[52:03.000 --> 52:13.000]  I have many subpoenaed use to bring them to court on about half a dozen different occasions
[52:13.000 --> 52:16.000]  because I kept having trial settings.
[52:16.000 --> 52:21.000]  If you read under 552, after I've exhausted all possibility,
[52:21.000 --> 52:25.000]  even the county attorney admits I've exhausted all possibility,
[52:25.000 --> 52:31.000]  then I can sue them in district court to try to get this evidence.
[52:31.000 --> 52:36.000]  I filed a suit and then I'm declared indigent.
[52:36.000 --> 52:39.000]  They asked, well, how do you want to serve this?
[52:39.000 --> 52:40.000]  I said, well, I'm indigent.
[52:40.000 --> 52:42.000]  You can have one of your constables serve it.
[52:42.000 --> 52:44.000]  They're like, yeah, we can do that.
[52:44.000 --> 52:50.000]  They wrote up the paperwork and proceeded to serve it.
[52:50.000 --> 52:53.000]  They did serve the sheriff, but they had some...
[52:53.000 --> 52:54.000]  Hold on, Mike.
[52:54.000 --> 52:57.000]  Explain how that works, the citation.
[52:57.000 --> 53:00.000]  You didn't make up the citation, did you?
[53:00.000 --> 53:05.000]  I did not create a citation that is completely created by the clerks.
[53:05.000 --> 53:07.000]  All the information is in their handwriting.
[53:07.000 --> 53:10.000]  It is signed by the Travis County Constable.
[53:10.000 --> 53:18.000]  They received it and they are supposed to know if the citation is servable or not.
[53:18.000 --> 53:23.000]  They apparently accepted this citation,
[53:23.000 --> 53:28.000]  not expecting, inspecting it carefully enough to know if it was servable or not.
[53:28.000 --> 53:31.000]  Then for the next two months, apparently,
[53:31.000 --> 53:35.000]  they had been trying to randomly serve these citations.
[53:35.000 --> 53:38.000]  That's what they're claiming.
[53:38.000 --> 53:43.000]  I asked them, well, how are you trying to serve it?
[53:43.000 --> 53:48.000]  Their response would be, well, you know how many district courts there are in Travis County?
[53:48.000 --> 53:50.000]  I don't really care.
[53:50.000 --> 53:56.000]  It says right on the citation, serve it, do 419th District Court.
[53:56.000 --> 53:59.000]  You can see that they tried multiple times.
[53:59.000 --> 54:00.000]  They never took it back.
[54:00.000 --> 54:03.000]  They never went back to the courts and say, this is unservable.
[54:03.000 --> 54:11.000]  They went to me after two months of not serving it and delaying my court case yet again,
[54:11.000 --> 54:14.000]  and then said, well, we can't serve this,
[54:14.000 --> 54:18.000]  even though it's clearly labeled where they're supposed to serve.
[54:18.000 --> 54:22.000]  What is the penalty for avoidance of service?
[54:22.000 --> 54:27.000]  That's a second-degree felony.
[54:27.000 --> 54:30.000]  Second-degree felony? What's that?
[54:30.000 --> 54:32.000]  10 to 15 years?
[54:32.000 --> 54:42.000]  I don't know what the number of years, but failure of service is a second-degree felony.
[54:42.000 --> 54:52.000]  So these constables apparently conspired to avoidance of service.
[54:52.000 --> 54:56.000]  Which looks like either the district judge or the clerk
[54:56.000 --> 55:02.000]  and potentially at the county attorney's office, too.
[55:02.000 --> 55:04.000]  It's hard to know exactly what occurred.
[55:04.000 --> 55:06.000]  Okay, that's a good point.
[55:06.000 --> 55:09.000]  We have the district judge who sits on the bench.
[55:09.000 --> 55:14.000]  Did this judge never sit on the bench in this whole time?
[55:14.000 --> 55:16.000]  The district judge has been.
[55:16.000 --> 55:19.000]  You know, in the audio recording I provided to you,
[55:19.000 --> 55:24.000]  I asked the constable who claimed he attempted service multiple times over the past two months.
[55:24.000 --> 55:26.000]  You know, he didn't want to answer the question.
[55:26.000 --> 55:30.000]  I'm like, well, it says there in the doc at 419th District Court.
[55:30.000 --> 55:32.000]  Okay, wait, wait, wait.
[55:32.000 --> 55:36.000]  Who was the person you talked to?
[55:36.000 --> 55:38.000]  Now, I don't hear very well.
[55:38.000 --> 55:44.000]  I'm an old combat veteran and I left my left ear drum over there somewhere.
[55:44.000 --> 55:49.000]  So you'll have to speak loudly and clearly so I don't miss his name.
[55:49.000 --> 55:52.000]  His name is Mulder, his last name.
[55:52.000 --> 55:54.000]  I don't know his first name.
[55:54.000 --> 55:58.000]  His badge ID is 503.
[55:58.000 --> 55:59.000]  Mulder.
[55:59.000 --> 56:00.000]  This is a.
[56:00.000 --> 56:04.000]  Is he apparently not the elected constable?
[56:04.000 --> 56:06.000]  He's not the elected constable.
[56:06.000 --> 56:10.000]  That would be Lopez, who's in the fifth precinct.
[56:10.000 --> 56:17.000]  So they had two deputy constables serve.
[56:17.000 --> 56:25.000]  Then the criminal complaint would go against respond yet superior.
[56:25.000 --> 56:27.000]  That's true.
[56:27.000 --> 56:28.000]  The elected constable.
[56:28.000 --> 56:30.000]  And what do you have his name?
[56:30.000 --> 56:33.000]  His name is Lopez in the fifth precinct.
[56:33.000 --> 56:37.000]  Lopez in the fifth precinct.
[56:37.000 --> 56:40.000]  He should be in prison.
[56:40.000 --> 56:53.000]  And the two constables who alleged to have attempted to serve a district judge who sits on the bench about every day.
[56:53.000 --> 57:00.000]  And the district judge should be charged because if he's hiding from these constables and they can't find him,
[57:00.000 --> 57:06.000]  then the judge should be charged with second degree felony avoidance of service.
[57:06.000 --> 57:11.000]  They know that the constables know their business, they serve process all the time.
[57:11.000 --> 57:16.000]  And certainly they know where to find the judge, so the judge must be hiding from them.
[57:16.000 --> 57:24.000]  Well, you know, the constable's office is at 1003 Guadalupe and the district court building is at 1000 Guadalupe.
[57:24.000 --> 57:27.000]  It's, you know, right across the street.
[57:27.000 --> 57:30.000]  Yeah, but these guys might get run over.
[57:30.000 --> 57:33.000]  Yeah, that's possible.
[57:33.000 --> 57:39.000]  If it's not appropriate to assume that the constables were just negligent,
[57:39.000 --> 57:50.000]  then the only reasonable consideration is that this no good scoundrel district judge has been avoiding service.
[57:50.000 --> 57:54.000]  It's possible.
[57:54.000 --> 57:58.000]  Well, if you have reason to believe and do believe he did that, you have a duty.
[57:58.000 --> 58:03.000]  It's a felony. If you don't give notice of your reason to believe that a felony has been committed,
[58:03.000 --> 58:06.000]  why, they may come after you and arrest you again.
[58:06.000 --> 58:10.000]  That's very true.
[58:10.000 --> 58:14.000]  Okay, hang on. We are going to our top of the hour break.
[58:14.000 --> 58:16.000]  We'll pick you up on the other side.
[58:16.000 --> 58:22.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Wheel of Law Radio, and we've got another gun giveaway.
[58:22.000 --> 58:25.000]  This time we're going to have two.
[58:25.000 --> 58:33.000]  And I don't much like weapons since I've spent too much time on the sharp end, but this old Russian weapon intrigues me.
[58:33.000 --> 58:39.000]  I might like to have that one just to hang on the wall, but I don't think she's going to let me get in the drawing.
[58:39.000 --> 58:42.000]  You are disqualified from the drawing, Randy.
[58:42.000 --> 58:45.000]  Doggone it!
[58:45.000 --> 58:50.000]  Okay, hang on. We'll be right back. I'll call you at number 512-646-9.
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[01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:41.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rudelbar Radio, and we're talking to Mike in Texas.
[01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:45.000]  Mike, you are having too much fun with them.
[01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:53.000]  And you take it your federal cases, they're doing everything they can to stop you.
[01:03:53.000 --> 01:04:01.000]  That's true. Just to tie up the district thing, the other day I did schedule a hearing.
[01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:10.000]  So I'm going to try to drag all the parties involved in front of the district judge and we'll see how that goes.
[01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:19.000]  It might take three years for just the district judge to produce a court order to the sheriff to produce the evidence.
[01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:31.000]  Now in the federal side, let's see, I have technically three cases in federal court.
[01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:37.000]  Right now there are two primary ones, one against the city and one against the county.
[01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  And so the city one was just recently dismissed in this circuit.
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:55.000]  And I wasn't unexpected at all, but I was very disappointed that they actually lived down to my expectations.
[01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:59.000]  They didn't address almost any of my points.
[01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:07.000]  They had, for me to be even accepted in and for them to look at my documents, I had to be declared an informal propertist.
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:16.000]  I had a snap card, so I've been declared an informal propertist by Texas Health and Human Services Department or Commission,
[01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:24.000]  which is I'm declared an informal propertist currently by Travis County, and that's how I'm pursuing my suit.
[01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:33.000]  But they just, the magistrates at the Fifth Circuit just declared without evidence
[01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:47.000]  and without any conclusion made without evidence that I'm not an informal propertist and therefore I'm not entitled for review.
[01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:53.000]  And that was primarily one of the basis that they dismissed the case.
[01:05:53.000 --> 01:06:04.000]  They also dismissed the case because they said that the police officer and the magistrate are absolutely immune,
[01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:11.000]  I mean absolute immunity, even though in the same document they say they don't have an oath of office,
[01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  so I don't understand how someone that doesn't have an oath who's not actually a functioning county or district attorney,
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:25.000]  no information was presented, never granted the court jurisdiction, et cetera, et cetera,
[01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  how someone who's technically not even an officer can be absolutely immune officer.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:38.000]  It's kind of a contradiction in terms, it appears.
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000]  This sounds like RICO.
[01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  Yeah, well, I've got to double-check the magistrates, but what happened was back in April, I had filed,
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:02.000]  April 22nd I filed about 23 criminal affidavits in the federal district court,
[01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:14.000]  and they took those and sent them up to the Fifth Circuit, and the Fifth Circuit just recently ruled in their own ruling.
[01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  They declared them to be criminal affidavits, your criminal affidavits, which were labeled criminal affidavits.
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:28.000]  We declare, which is recharacterization, which is illegal, we declare them to be appellate briefs,
[01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:31.000]  and therefore they're all the Smiths, summarily.
[01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:40.000]  That should get criminal charges against each justice of the Fifth Circuit under Gerstein Pugh.
[01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.000]  They're required to hold an examining trial.
[01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:50.000]  And so I sent that ruling, I filed a writ of mandamus into the chief justice.
[01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:59.000]  I sent all the criminal affidavits up to the chief justice, asked for review in a writ of mandamus
[01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:02.000]  that can be reviewed, and he is secreting those.
[01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.000]  He is not responding in any way.
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:07.000]  So the chief justice is in complete collusion.
[01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:17.000]  And I think that the same justices who ruled against my criminal affidavits also ruled against me in my appellate brief.
[01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  So now they wouldn't have even gotten a chance to review the appellate brief if I wasn't already declared a former paupress.
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:34.000]  You need to file criminal charges against these justices with another set of justices, the ones in D.C.
[01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:38.000]  Yeah, I think so. I think I really got it expanded.
[01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  I got this dismissal the same day that I sent the second packet of appellate briefs up,
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  so I don't expect very differential treatment with the same set of appellate briefs that I put on.
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.000]  They ignored all the very strong argument I put in.
[01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.000]  I believe they were strong argument.
[01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:04.000]  They were so strong that they just refused to even acknowledge it throughout the document.
[01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:10.000]  So file criminally with the Supreme Court, with the justices there.
[01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.000]  That's what I'm in the process of doing right now.
[01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  So I'm writing. I've got a lot of it written already.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:25.000]  But I've already started writing a petition for certiorari to the federal court.
[01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:26.000]  No, no, this is not certiorari.
[01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:33.000]  File criminal charges with the Supreme Court justices in their capacity as magistrates.
[01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.000]  Oh, that's a great idea.
[01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:38.000]  They're magistrates just like everybody else.
[01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.000]  Yep, absolutely.
[01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:51.000]  And I think if I've got to file judicial complaints, I think I have to send these to the U.S. attorney also.
[01:09:51.000 --> 01:10:02.000]  It'll be interesting to see what the chief justices of the Supreme do when they're called on to perform their duty as magistrates.
[01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.000]  Absolutely.
[01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:07.000]  Okay, we do need to move on.
[01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:11.000]  We've got four more callers and three and a half segments left.
[01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:12.000]  Okay.
[01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.000]  Mike, keep it up.
[01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  Oh, thanks.
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:21.000]  These guys just don't understand a quitter that will just keep on coming.
[01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.000]  I'm just going to keep coming.
[01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.000]  Thank you, Randy.
[01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000]  Thank you, Mike.
[01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.000]  Okay, now we're going to go to Joe in Illinois.
[01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.000]  Hello, Joe.
[01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:37.000]  What do you have for us?
[01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.000]  Joe, are you there?
[01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:40.000]  Hello?
[01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.000]  Yeah, Joe, it sounds like there's a radio on in the background.
[01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:48.000]  I'm sure the call screener told people to turn the radio off.
[01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:49.000]  Okay.
[01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:52.000]  Yeah, you can't have the radio on in the background when you call in, folks.
[01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:56.000]  You're listening to the show over the telephone when you call in.
[01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:57.000]  Okay.
[01:10:57.000 --> 01:10:58.000]  Okay, thanks.
[01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.000]  Go ahead.
[01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.000]  Hello, Randy.
[01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.000]  Hello.
[01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.000]  What do you have for us today?
[01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:11.000]  Randy, I have a basically issue with my lawyer, you know,
[01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:18.000]  which is refused to file a petition for declarative judgment
[01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:22.000]  because of that, you know, mortgage instrument,
[01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:26.000]  a security instrument was, you know, vigilant,
[01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.000]  and he refused to do this.
[01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:34.000]  So I just, you know, filed, you know, five grievances against him,
[01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:38.000]  and there was like seven accounts, you know, of complaints.
[01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:42.000]  Okay.
[01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.000]  Did you file a grievance against him,
[01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.000]  or are you asking about filing a grievance against him?
[01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  No, I just filed already because, you know...
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.000]  Then you might add something else.
[01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:02.000]  You might send the lawyer a tort letter
[01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:07.000]  noticing him you intend to sue him for malpractice.
[01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:13.000]  Anything you may lose in the foreclosure action,
[01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:16.000]  sue the lawyer for, for malpractice.
[01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.000]  Oh, yeah, I just spoke, you know, after I sent him a letter,
[01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:21.000]  I just spoke, you know, with him,
[01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:25.000]  and he said that, you know, she was going to withdraw from my case.
[01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:28.000]  So, and I'm just waiting, you know, in the mail
[01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:33.000]  if any, you know, letter is going to come in, you know, to me.
[01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:38.000]  So I have some kind of, you know, proof.
[01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.000]  Okay.
[01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:44.000]  I'm having trouble understanding what's going on here.
[01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:49.000]  Did the lawyer fail to file documents
[01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:52.000]  or adjudicate your case the way he was supposed to,
[01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  or is there a different issue?
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:13:01.000]  Yes, because, you know, as I mentioned that my security instrument,
[01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:05.000]  mortgage is, you know, when it was created,
[01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:08.000]  there was a fraud, you know, committed.
[01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.000]  And when it was filed in a counter recorder office,
[01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.000]  there was another fraud.
[01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.000]  So we got basically...
[01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.000]  Wait, what was the nature of the fraud?
[01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  You know, the document which was filed in the counter recorder office
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:31.000]  has, you know, like a fake notarized seal.
[01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.000]  Wait, a fake what? I couldn't understand that.
[01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.000]  Oh, notarized seal is fake.
[01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:40.000]  Notarized seal, you know, that the person who just signed it,
[01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:44.000]  who just notarized this, and, you know,
[01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:47.000]  that probably there was some intention to make, you know, fake,
[01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:50.000]  because, you know, it doesn't correspond,
[01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:55.000]  it doesn't, you know, basically comply with seal standard.
[01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:57.000]  Doesn't have a, you know, doesn't have a state,
[01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:01.000]  doesn't have a notarized public, you know,
[01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:04.000]  doesn't say notarized public and doesn't say state, you know,
[01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:07.000]  in which notarized public is, you know, issued.
[01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:08.000]  Oh, okay, okay.
[01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:10.000]  I'm having a little trouble understanding it,
[01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:19.000]  so it doesn't say what state the notary is authorized in?
[01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:23.000]  Yes, but, you know, on the other hand, I make some sense.
[01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:27.000]  Okay, so what was the, okay, this is an issue
[01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:31.000]  that would go to a petition for declaratory judgment.
[01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.000]  That's what I'm saying, you know,
[01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.000]  but when I mentioned, you know, to lawyers,
[01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.000]  because I still have a representation,
[01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  so I say just file a petition for declaratory judgment for me,
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.000]  because, you know, this document is invalid.
[01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  Did he refuse to do that?
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:50.000]  Yes.
[01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:57.000]  Ah, good, sue him for the three times the value of the property.
[01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:03.000]  If you paid him to do a job and he didn't do the job,
[01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.000]  you stand to lose the entire property
[01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.000]  because he didn't do his job.
[01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.000]  You can sue him for everything you would have lost,
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  and since he acted maliciously, you sue him in triplicate.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.000]  And also, because, you know, I have a court,
[01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.000]  an incoming court is going to be, you know, January 7th,
[01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:30.000]  so that's what I was trying to, it's not much time basically,
[01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  you know, it's a very short time.
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.000]  Okay, wait, wait, wait, do you have a court hearing
[01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:39.000]  or is there a foreclosure proceeding?
[01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:46.000]  There is, you know, there is a motion for summary judgment.
[01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.000]  Okay, hold on, hold on, good, that's what I'm getting to.
[01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.000]  Okay, it's a court hearing.
[01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  If you had a lawyer and your lawyer quit or you fired the lawyer
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:01.000]  and you have a hearing coming up, if you go to the court
[01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.000]  and you tell the court that you had to fire your Shasta lawyer
[01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.000]  and you're trying to hire another lawyer,
[01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  they will continue almost forever.
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:17.000]  They really want you to come into court with a lawyer.
[01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:22.000]  Because the judges are lawyers and they want lawyers to collect money.
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:27.000]  So if you tell them that you need to continue to get a lawyer,
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:30.000]  they'll give it to you almost every time.
[01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:36.000]  So I understand that there's going to be a continuation of the case, right?
[01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  Right.
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:43.000]  Now, hold on a minute, you're kind of moving really fast for me to try to keep up.
[01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:47.000]  If you get a continuance, they won't consider the case.
[01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:48.000]  They'll wait until you get a lawyer.
[01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.000]  Hang on, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens,
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[01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:21.000]  Ain't gonna blame me
[01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:28.000]  Don't blame me
[01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.000]  Yeah
[01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:37.000]  Ain't gonna fool me with that
[01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:41.000]  I was blindsided but now I can see you
[01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debbie Stevens.
[01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:47.000]  We have our radio and we're talking to Joe in Illinois.
[01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:50.000]  Okay, Joe, I'm having a little difficulty.
[01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:55.000]  The quality of your sound is not very good to start with.
[01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:58.000]  And then you have an accent that makes it even more difficult.
[01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:01.000]  And you're jumping across places.
[01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:03.000]  You're jumping from one thing to another.
[01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:07.000]  I'm having a hard time keeping up with where you're at.
[01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:09.000]  Okay, I understand you had a lawyer.
[01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.000]  You asked him to file a declaratory judgment
[01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:20.000]  because a document had a faulty acknowledgement on it.
[01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:23.000]  And the lawyer refused.
[01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.000]  So you filed a bar grievance against the lawyer.
[01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:34.000]  Did you fire the lawyer or did the lawyer drop your case?
[01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:41.000]  When I spoke with the lawyer after I just filed that grievances,
[01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:46.000]  he told me that he was going to withdraw.
[01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.000]  No, you tell him you're not going to withdraw.
[01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:52.000]  You're under contract.
[01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:56.000]  This is not I'm going to take my marbles and go home.
[01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:59.000]  You took my money, do your job.
[01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:05.000]  If I hire you for a contract and I don't like the way you're doing the job
[01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.000]  and I tell you about it, you can't just say,
[01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:10.000]  well, if you feel that way about it, I'll just quit.
[01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.000]  He's under contract.
[01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:18.000]  Randy, isn't it the case that the lawyers are not allowed to even mention it
[01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:22.000]  to their client about these bar grievances?
[01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:26.000]  That is true.
[01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:33.000]  Joe, did the lawyer mention the bar grievance to you or did you mention it to him?
[01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:40.000]  I basically sent him a letter before I just filed a bar grievance.
[01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.000]  Oh, okay. So you noticed him.
[01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:46.000]  Did you tell the lawyer that you were going to file a bar grievance?
[01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:47.000]  That's key.
[01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:51.000]  Sending him a letter saying you're not happy is not the same thing as telling your lawyer
[01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:52.000]  you're going to file a bar grievance.
[01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:55.000]  Did you tell your lawyer that you were filing a bar grievance?
[01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:56.000]  Yes, I did.
[01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:58.000]  Okay, yeah, you don't want to do that.
[01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:01.000]  Okay, because if you file a grievance against a lawyer,
[01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:09.000]  he's forbidden to mention it to you because the lawyer has more knowledge
[01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.000]  and potentially has greater influence.
[01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:17.000]  So the bar tells them don't you screw with the client if he files a bar grievance against you.
[01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:20.000]  If you have something to say, you say it to us.
[01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:22.000]  We'll adjudicate this issue.
[01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:24.000]  You're not to take it to your client.
[01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:25.000]  So they're forbidden to do that.
[01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:29.000]  But if you mention it to him, then he can talk about it.
[01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:36.000]  But he don't get to withdraw just because he didn't do a good job.
[01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:50.000]  I mentioned I would like to have a list of items which I just filed at the bar grievance.
[01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:54.000]  There is a long list.
[01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.000]  Can I just read some of them?
[01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  What, read the grievance?
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.000]  Yes.
[01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.000]  Okay, go quickly.
[01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.000]  We've got about five or six more calls.
[01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.000]  Yeah, we have like six more callers, so we need to move along.
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:16.000]  Refusing to file affirmative defenses for client when prima facie evidence exists,
[01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:21.000]  lack of cooperation with client, deceiving practice with client,
[01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:26.000]  overcharging, withholding information.
[01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  Oh, man.
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  Let me explain something that you need to understand that lawyers understand.
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:46.000]  When a lawyer takes on a case, he looks around for the guy with deep pockets.
[01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  He wants to know the guy he can actually get money from.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.000]  Well, your lawyer is one of those guys.
[01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:56.000]  He's got malpractice insurance.
[01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:59.000]  So you can sue his insurance.
[01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:04.000]  When a lawyer fails to adequately adjudicate a client's case,
[01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:10.000]  even if the client wins, if he doesn't win as much as he could have won,
[01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:16.000]  had the lawyer done a better job, he can sue the lawyer for what he didn't win.
[01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:21.000]  So if you hire a lawyer to adjudicate your case and he doesn't do a good job
[01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:27.000]  and you are harmed because of it, you can sue the lawyer for what you're harmed.
[01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.000]  That's correct.
[01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:31.000]  This is great.
[01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:34.000]  He gave you another way to get your money.
[01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:38.000]  You might get enough from him to pay off the mortgage.
[01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:41.000]  That's good.
[01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:48.000]  So send him a letter addressing these issues and tell him that you've been harmed
[01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:55.000]  because now you stand to lose the entire property because he contracted with you
[01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.000]  to save your property.
[01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:01.000]  He didn't do his job, and then when you brought it up to him, he quit.
[01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:06.000]  So now you stand to lose your property because he's got all your money
[01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:08.000]  you had to hire a lawyer with.
[01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:11.000]  Now you can't hire another one, so you sue him for the full amount of it.
[01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.000]  Tell him you're going to sue him for the full amount of property
[01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.000]  if he doesn't make you whole.
[01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:21.000]  But on the other hand, I would like to get rid of him
[01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:25.000]  because I'm going to just switch to federal.
[01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:27.000]  So how is this going to work?
[01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:30.000]  Avoid federal if you can.
[01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:33.000]  Okay, yours is a bit more complex.
[01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:34.000]  We have six callers.
[01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:36.000]  Can you call in tomorrow night?
[01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:38.000]  We do a four-hour show.
[01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.000]  Okay.
[01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  Thank you very much.
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:44.000]  Good.
[01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:49.000]  Call back tomorrow because the first two hours we normally do foreclosure on that show.
[01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.000]  We'll have a lot more time to address this,
[01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:55.000]  and this is something I'd like to go over in a little more detail.
[01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:56.000]  Okay, thank you.
[01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:58.000]  So thank you, Joe.
[01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:03.000]  Okay, now we're going to go to Mark in Wisconsin.
[01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:06.000]  Mark, I know you're causing trouble.
[01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:10.000]  Well, is that because you heard about the two security guards in the hospital
[01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:14.000]  following me around?
[01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.000]  Well, I'm not surprised about that.
[01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.000]  I generally get an entourage.
[01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.000]  So how did that go?
[01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:27.000]  Well, I got my health care eventually, but before I go into that,
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:32.000]  I just wanted to once again thank you for the hint on the common law.
[01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:38.000]  That led me to a couple of things, notably the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
[01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:42.000]  signed in 1948 by the United States because we were fighting communism.
[01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:48.000]  And in there, there's an entire section about how you're supposed to have an honest
[01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:54.000]  and forthright trial and an honest and forthright dealings with the legal system.
[01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  And if you don't, you can write a letter to Geneva where then Geneva will listen
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:05.000]  to your complaints and write your congressmen on their behalf to hear your complaints out.
[01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:10.000]  So how about international bar grievances as an idea?
[01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.000]  Will you send me a link to that?
[01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:16.000]  I certainly will, sir.
[01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:22.000]  The other thing you might find interesting is I was part of an audit by a credit card
[01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:26.000]  or not a credit card, credit reporting agency, and I was told by the auditor
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:32.000]  that approximately 85% of the businesses that they audit are mortgage origination.
[01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:37.000]  So just a little tidbit to keep in the back of your head.
[01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.000]  I'm not sure how you can use that.
[01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:50.000]  Then 940.34, stroke 2, paren B in Wisconsin under duty to aid victim and report crime.
[01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:55.000]  Any person licensed as a private detective or granted a private security permit
[01:27:55.000 --> 01:28:01.000]  under section whatever who has reasonable grounds to believe a crime is being committed
[01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:08.000]  or has been committed shall notify promptly an appropriate law enforcement agency
[01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.000]  by the facts which form the basis of the belief.
[01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:16.000]  Otherwise, if you violate that, you are guilty of a class C misdemeanor and subject to discipline,
[01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:20.000]  and I'm sure the discipline would be most harsh.
[01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:28.000]  So if I became a private detective, if I see anything, I'm supposed to make sure I turn it
[01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.000]  into appropriate law enforcement agency.
[01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:37.000]  So that's a little bit broader than your statute down in Texas that anyone who knows
[01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.000]  of a public servant who's committed a crime has a duty to report.
[01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:41.000]  No.
[01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:48.000]  Well, in Texas, it's similar to a misprision of felony.
[01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:56.000]  You only have a statutory duty to report if it is a felony.
[01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:05.000]  However, you have a civil duty and a moral duty to report crime anyway,
[01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:15.000]  and you don't have to have any capacity other than being a credible person to report crime,
[01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:22.000]  and a credible person is normally defined as a person over the age of 18 years
[01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:27.000]  and never convicted of a felony.
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:38.000]  When a policeman issues a complaint or files a report, he doesn't do that in his capacity
[01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.000]  as a police officer.
[01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:43.000]  The police officers have no special capacity.
[01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:50.000]  He does that in his capacity as a credible person, just like you.
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:51.000]  Hang on.
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[01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:40.000]  Okay, we are back. Wendy Felton, Deborah Stevens, and we're talking to Mike Marks in Wisconsin.
[01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:46.000]  All right, so now we'll get on to the fun and excitement of the healthcare industry.
[01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:57.000]  First off, in attempting to obtain the insurance, I was told that, oh, I can't actually see the policy in the forms until I've sent them the premium.
[01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:01.000]  Then they'll send me the paperwork.
[01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:05.000]  So, okay, fine, that's the way you want to be.
[01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:14.000]  As for getting the security guards following me, I was handed a two-page contract, and they seemed shocked that I wanted to read the contract.
[01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:19.000]  One part of the contract says, intent to donate unclaimed patient funds.
[01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:28.000]  Ultimately, if I overpay, they'll look for me for a year, and instead of sending the money to the state, they say,
[01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:36.000]  alternately, a patient may designate that funds that are not claimed are donated as a gift to the hospital, a nonprofit corporation.
[01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:45.000]  By signing below, I agree that if I'm owed a refund and the hospital is unable to locate me, that I hereby donate the refund to the hospital.
[01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:51.000]  Now, this is a contract, so I crossed that out and initialed it, handed it back.
[01:34:51.000 --> 01:35:00.000]  Needless to say, they're some kind of fit. They refused to accept my modified contract.
[01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:06.000]  I brought up that it appears to me that I'm being denied health care because of this,
[01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:16.000]  and they eventually deployed a paralegal to talk with me about the contract.
[01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:24.000]  Another part that I had an objection to, and they're going to have a meeting about, is assignment of insurance benefits, charges, and refunds, blah, blah, blah.
[01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:27.000]  You agree to pay as set forth in the then current charge master.
[01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:33.000]  So I asked him, where do I get this? And there was a whole lot of hummada, hummada, hummada.
[01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:44.000]  But a few days ago, I came back with paperwork when I went for a final analysis of the reason I was at the hospital.
[01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:48.000]  Consent to photographs, videotapes, and recordings.
[01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:55.000]  I authorized the hospital to obtain photographs, videotapes, and or recordings of me for identification, diagnosis, treatment, and internal health care operations.
[01:35:55.000 --> 01:36:01.000]  I understand I may revoke this consent up until a reasonable time before such images and recordings are used.
[01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:07.000]  Any further use or disclosure of these images and recordings is restricted for the purposes I consent to at a later time.
[01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:18.000]  That, as soon as I signed the contract, I handed them a rescission notice saying, I'm not giving you permission now for identification or internal health care operations.
[01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:22.000]  This sent them into epileptic fits once again.
[01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:27.000]  A nurse proceeded to tell me that I had a choice of going elsewhere.
[01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:29.000]  I had a choice of doing this.
[01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.000]  They weren't denying me health care.
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:38.000]  And for some bizarre reason, her middle finger needed to itch her nose.
[01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.000]  You noticed that.
[01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:41.000]  I did.
[01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:45.000]  And I proceeded to say, ma'am, I have a commentary on your commentary.
[01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:48.000]  And my nose developed an itch.
[01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:53.000]  She then proceeded to tell me what she thought of my itchy nose.
[01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.000]  And I said, well, ma'am, you had an issue first.
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:58.000]  She said, my nose was itchy.
[01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:02.000]  And I said, amazingly, so was mine.
[01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:05.000]  And then at that point is when they deployed the...
[01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:06.000]  OK.
[01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:07.000]  Oh, wait a minute.
[01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:12.000]  You understand that is a gestural emblem.
[01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.000]  That's a gestural emblem.
[01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:21.000]  When you're telling a lie, the nose has erectile tissue in it.
[01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:27.000]  You itch.
[01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.000]  Is that cool?
[01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:31.000]  Jeff, I'm hearing you.
[01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:32.000]  She was lying to you.
[01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:34.000]  She knew she was lying to you.
[01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:35.000]  Yeah.
[01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:37.000]  That's what the gestural emblem was.
[01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:48.000]  What I'm trying to figure out here is, one, what's the long-term setup for these kinds of things under the new mandatory HCA?
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:58.000]  Two, what's my remedy here beyond going ahead and going to a court and saying that I'm seeking injunctive relief?
[01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:06.000]  And then if I'm going to seek injunctive relief, should I go to the Fed or should I go to the state?
[01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:15.000]  That is an interesting question because the health care is implemented in the state and not by the Fed.
[01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:17.000]  OK.
[01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:21.000]  So it would seem it would be a state issue.
[01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:24.000]  All right.
[01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:28.000]  But this is beyond my scope.
[01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:34.000]  Well, and this falls more under Harmon Taylor.
[01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.000]  Yes, it does.
[01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:40.000]  This goes to some serious contract issues.
[01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:41.000]  Yeah.
[01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:45.000]  And here's the thing under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25.
[01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:55.000]  Everyone has a right to a standard of adequate living, adequate for the health and well-being of themselves and family, including food, clothing, housing, and medical care.
[01:38:55.000 --> 01:39:10.000]  Now, the state of Wisconsin, I want to say Article 14, Section 3, states that as of this date of signing this Constitution, the common law is the law of the land unless superseded by statute.
[01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:17.000]  Now, as far as I'm aware, 1850s vintage common law says nothing about health care.
[01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:21.000]  However, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights here does say it.
[01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:29.000]  And there is a note in part of the statutes of the state of Wisconsin that we, the Supreme Court, recognize that the common law does change over time.
[01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:38.000]  So is my basis once again going back to the common law, which is supported under the Constitution of the state of Wisconsin.
[01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:43.000]  Now, there's a ton of statutes about health care.
[01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:57.000]  However, I mean, at the point where I'm saying this is your contract and I'm rescinding part of it as per my right, per your contract, and you're saying no.
[01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:05.000]  And certainly the donating unclaimed patient refunds has nothing to do with health care.
[01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:17.000]  So if I'm being denied health care under the idea that promptness matters, what do I got here?
[01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:27.000]  And I guess the other question is when is legal earth going to be functioning so those people who want to play and try to noodle this out would have a forum for noodling this out?
[01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:38.000]  As soon as I can collect the funds, legal earth is going to be relatively expensive to implement.
[01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:43.000]  It's going to take a lot of work, a tremendous amount of work.
[01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:47.000]  I have the basic structures down.
[01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:49.000]  I have them designed.
[01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:54.000]  But the work of applying the statutes to the structures is a big job.
[01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:57.000]  Well, that's what I thought.
[01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:01.000]  I have some things I'm working on that could produce some serious income.
[01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:08.000]  And if it does, then we go right to starting to implement legal earth.
[01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:09.000]  All right.
[01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:11.000]  What about injunctive relief?
[01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:20.000]  Should I look towards that to have a judge whack them over the head and go, you're going to follow your contract?
[01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:35.000]  Well, that is, okay, if you are required to have health care, then this gets into a situation where the government is implementing the health care.
[01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:36.000]  Right.
[01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:42.000]  And these guys are going to fall under public official requirements.
[01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:46.000]  Well, and to that end, when you like this portion.
[01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:57.000]  So after talking with their legal department days earlier, in a week earlier, they really didn't have anything much to say about me recording
[01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:03.000]  unless I was making sure that I wasn't recording other people, you know, violation of HIPAA.
[01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:13.000]  So at the point where the one gal refused to take the paperwork, I said, may I record you on my camera here on my cell phone?
[01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:14.000]  She agreed.
[01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:18.000]  So I whipped out the cell phone, turned her on, and started recording her.
[01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:23.000]  We had a nice conversation up until the point where I said, now, what again is your name?
[01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:26.000]  And pointed at her badge on her chest.
[01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:33.000]  She then proceeds to turn away from the camera and cover her badge.
[01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  You know, and the gal with the itchy nose was saying, you can't record us.
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:45.000]  But now, if we're going towards your public official, yeah, yeah, I can.
[01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:50.000]  As long as I frame it that, you know, we're doing this in private, so it's no longer with HIPAA.
[01:42:50.000 --> 01:43:00.000]  And, you know, but I just kind of wanted you to noodle this and bounce it around the back of your head.
[01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:05.000]  And, you know, maybe you have some listeners or other people who have been on your show
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:09.000]  who would have some good theories and want to talk about it.
[01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:13.000]  And then all of us can get together and talk about it one of these times.
[01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:19.000]  This may be an interesting way to handle Obamacare contractually.
[01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:26.000]  That thought entered my mind, and I'm sure there are people who are far more passionate about it than I,
[01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:28.000]  handling Obamacare.
[01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:34.000]  Frankly, I'm kind of sick and tired of being under the jackboots of all these contracts.
[01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:36.000]  Good for you.
[01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:37.000]  Okay.
[01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.000]  We really have to move along, Mark.
[01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:40.000]  I appreciate that.
[01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:41.000]  And give me that link.
[01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  I am looking forward to that.
[01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:45.000]  Okay.
[01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:46.000]  Thank you, Mark.
[01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:47.000]  We're about to go to break.
[01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:50.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rue of La Radio.
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[01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:56.000]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're going to Mike in Tennessee.
[01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:57.000]  Hello, Mike.
[01:46:57.000 --> 01:46:59.000]  Hi, Randy.
[01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:04.000]  Howdy. We talked earlier, and Mike has a foreclosure issue.
[01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:13.000]  Yes. And, you know, we were talking before that you suggested I do a Chapter 7 under a certain category.
[01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:18.000]  If that deed of trust was unsecured, we could go over under that.
[01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:22.000]  Well, okay, here's how it works with Chapter 7.
[01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:30.000]  You claim the property is unsecured, and then if the bank objects to that,
[01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:35.000]  they have to come to the court and prove up their claim.
[01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:40.000]  Now, was this originally a Washington Mutual loan,
[01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:45.000]  or was it a loan from another company that went to Washington Mutual?
[01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:52.000]  Originally, Crest Star Mortgage. You know, it was a Fannie Mae, originally, you know, and Crest Star.
[01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:57.000]  No, wait, wait, don't say that. Hold on. Don't say what you think it was.
[01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:58.000]  Okay.
[01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:02.000]  What does the documentation say?
[01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:05.000]  Originally, the first assignment?
[01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:10.000]  No. What does the original deed of trust say?
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:14.000]  It has Fannie Mae on it, and that's it. I mean, Fannie Mae.
[01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:18.000]  Okay. Is there—how did it get to—
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.000]  At the top of it, it has—
[01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:24.000]  Okay, Washington Mutual was involved in this, right?
[01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:28.000]  Not in the deed of trust.
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:34.000]  How was Washington Mutual involved in this?
[01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:42.000]  I really don't know because, see, the original assignment was recorded in 2000,
[01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:44.000]  and nothing was recorded—
[01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:49.000]  Wait a minute. Are you talking about an assignment of deed of trust,
[01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:52.000]  or are you talking about the original deed of trust?
[01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:58.000]  The assignment. The original deed of trust has the name Crest Star Mortgage on it.
[01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:02.000]  Okay. And who assigned what to who?
[01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:09.000]  Okay. After the assignment, it was Crest Star—
[01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:12.000]  No, no. You're not answering my question.
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:13.000]  Okay.
[01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:20.000]  Who assigned what to whom?
[01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:23.000]  What does the assignment say?
[01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:29.000]  The assignment says that the rights, title, and interest to the note—
[01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:37.000]  I got that part. Who said that?
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:40.000]  That is the most important part.
[01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:49.000]  It had to be the original lender on the first assignment. Was it?
[01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:58.000]  Okay. The first—you know, the deed of trust, if we look at that,
[01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:01.000]  from my thinking—I don't have it right in front of me, right?
[01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:07.000]  But it's—the first was Crest Star Mortgage is on there.
[01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:10.000]  Okay. And you'll have an assignment.
[01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:17.000]  Did Crest Star Mortgage assign the deed of trust to someone else?
[01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:19.000]  Yes.
[01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:21.000]  Who did they assign it to?
[01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:27.000]  I don't have it in front of me, so I cannot recall. Let's just call it Bank B.
[01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:32.000]  It's really hard to evaluate what's going on.
[01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:37.000]  Do you have a question then? Because I'm not sure where we're at here.
[01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:44.000]  Okay. All right. Here's where it seems like we're at.
[01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:53.000]  Okay. I filed a Chapter 13, October 15, and I didn't finish it because my brother has no income.
[01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:55.000]  You know, he's sick with cancer and he can't work.
[01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:58.000]  Okay. So I couldn't finish it.
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:05.000]  All right. He got a letter yesterday that one of the attorney firms for Chase Bank
[01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:10.000]  is wanting to do foreclosure procedures January the 10th.
[01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:12.000]  They're going to start doing that.
[01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:24.000]  Okay. Reopen the bankruptcy, convert it to a Chapter 7, claim the property is unsecured.
[01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:29.000]  That will cause an automatic stay of foreclosure.
[01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:37.000]  Okay. Now, since I didn't finish that Chapter 13, you know, I only did the first half
[01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:42.000]  because it says for the second half you have to have income, so I didn't finish it.
[01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:47.000]  Can I still reopen that one since it was unfinished and convert it to a 7?
[01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:53.000]  Yes. I'm almost certain you can. I'd probably have to get David to talk to you about that.
[01:51:53.000 --> 01:52:04.000]  He's my bankruptcy guy, but I'm almost certain you can reopen it or if not, refile it as a Chapter 7.
[01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:10.000]  Okay. All right. Now, then what about adversary proceedings? Is that a good thing?
[01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:16.000]  You can only file an adversarial proceeding in a bankruptcy that's already in process.
[01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:17.000]  Yep.
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:20.000]  And in this case, you don't need to.
[01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:25.000]  Oh, okay. So by doing it like you're saying it, I don't have to go to that point.
[01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:33.000]  Right. The bank's going to have to come to the table and prove that they have a perfected claim.
[01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:39.000]  So this is a great way to put the bank on the dime because they have to come with proof of claim.
[01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:49.000]  You say there is no provable claim and they say, well, we've got a claim and you say, okay, prove it.
[01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:50.000]  Yeah.
[01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:58.000]  And when they start to produce documentation, then you can show why the documentation is inadequate.
[01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:01.000]  Okay. Now here's, if we back up just a little.
[01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:03.000]  Wait a second. Could I just interrupt here for one second?
[01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:06.000]  We have just a few minutes left and one other caller.
[01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:09.000]  I wanted to take Lee because he's been holding for like an hour.
[01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:12.000]  Could we take Lee, Randy, and maybe finish up with Mike tomorrow?
[01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:17.000]  Yes. Mike, can you call me tomorrow? I'll have time to look at your documentation by then.
[01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:20.000]  Yeah. They've got a four hour show on mortgages tomorrow, Mike.
[01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:22.000]  All right. I'll call you Randy tomorrow. Thank you.
[01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:23.000]  All right. Thanks, Mike.
[01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:24.000]  Thank you, Mike.
[01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:29.000]  I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut off the caller, but I just, I don't like to leave people hanging for an hour and then never take the call.
[01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:31.000]  Okay. That's good. Let's go to.
[01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:33.000]  Okay. Lee in California.
[01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:37.000]  Lee in California. Hello, Lee. What do you have for us today?
[01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:41.000]  How are you today? Can you hear me?
[01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:44.000]  Yes. Go ahead, Lee. We're very limited on time. What's your issue?
[01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  Mortgages. Yes. I was going to ask you, I live here in San Diego and I'm 25 miles from the border and we have a checkpoint here.
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:54:02.000]  And, you know, I asked some of the questions that Eddie Craig had mentioned on his website.
[01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:09.000]  But what ended up happening is they busted my window. They took me into.
[01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:14.000]  Hold on. You're starting in the middle of something. Who broke your window? What window was it?
[01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:17.000]  The border patrol, the checkpoint border patrol.
[01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:18.000]  Okay.
[01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:27.000]  They asked me my citizenship and I refused to answer and they said that I was being detained because I didn't answer the question.
[01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:33.000]  And they ended up busting my window because I told them I couldn't answer any questions with an attorney present.
[01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:37.000]  And they busted my window, dragged me out of there. They told me to cover my face.
[01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:42.000]  I was going to send you the audio of it through your email.
[01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:47.000]  Okay. Why did you not lower your window?
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:50.000]  Lower my window? Yeah.
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:58.000]  Oh, because I was reading some of the things on Eddie Craig's and it says for you to open your window.
[01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:05.000]  Okay. Lee, that is in a situation typically where you're getting pulled over in a transportation stop.
[01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:11.000]  I don't know if you've I don't know if that necessarily applies to a border checkpoint.
[01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.000]  I mean you'd have to talk with Eddie about that, but I.
[01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:18.000]  Yeah. He was claiming to any government officials.
[01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:31.000]  So what ended up happening in the end is that they called the sheriffs and they gave me a citation for registration and no insurance paperwork and obviously suspended license.
[01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:38.000]  But after all that, that's what ended up happening, getting a vehicle code violation.
[01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:43.000]  Okay. Did you file any actions against these officers?
[01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:50.000]  It just happened on Monday. I'm trying to get all my recording, all my audio all together.
[01:55:50.000 --> 01:56:03.000]  And the thing is that the Border Patrol never gave me anything, any kind of paperwork that I was what the reason was for even them to hold me and break my window whatsoever.
[01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:07.000]  Were you crossing the border? I was not.
[01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  No, this is one of these border checkpoints that's anywhere from 25 miles to 150 or even 200, 300 miles in.
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:24.000]  Lee, and I'm going to let Randy respond also. I would recommend you go and check out a website called CheckpointUSA.com.
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:29.000]  This is Terry Bressi's website. He's been fighting this issue for over a decade.
[01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:39.000]  I actually heard him on Dr. Catherine Albrecht's show today and he's very familiar with the laws surrounding these internal checkpoints.
[01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:44.000]  Okay. But I mean, how would I go about fighting if I never received anything from the checkpoints themselves?
[01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:50.000]  The only thing I got was from the sheriffs because my tags were expired.
[01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:54.000]  Well, did you not get any of these people their information?
[01:56:54.000 --> 01:57:00.000]  Well, there's so many of them that I try to speak to one and then another one will come and that means I would have to start over again.
[01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:12.000]  Just find out who is the highest level guy for that checkpoint and charge him as respondee at Superior.
[01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:20.000]  You can always follow FOIAs to find out who they are. And I'm sorry, it's CheckpointUSA.org, not.com.
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:22.000]  Okay,.org, okay. Yes.
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:34.000]  I only have one name of the officer of the, I'm sorry, the agent because supposedly, I mean, on the recording it says what he clearly was detaining me was because I didn't answer the question.
[01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:43.000]  And then it escalated to where the dog was barking. Now they have probable cause for them to send me to secondary.
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:49.000]  You're not making sense. You're not giving me complete sense. The dog was barking? What dog was barking?
[01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:52.000]  Yeah, they have dogs, Randy. They have dogs that run around the block.
[01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:55.000]  No, I'm trying not to assume. He might have a dog in the car.
[01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:56.000]  No, no, no.
[01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  I'm talking about, you got to figure out how to tell a good story.
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  I'm sorry. I'm just trying to, I'm trying to hurry up because I'm a little late.
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:14.000]  Okay. Okay. Their dog was barking. They're not, they didn't say that the dog was a drug dog and marked for drugs, just that he was barking.
[01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:17.000]  Well, no, no. He said that the dog alerted him.
[01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:26.000]  Okay. And he obviously lied. Okay. Call back tomorrow night. This is way too complex to go over in this short amount of time.
[01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:27.000]  Okay, cool.
[01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:29.000]  And go to checkpoint.org.
[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:31.000]  Checkpointusa.org.
[01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:33.000]  Okay, cool.
[01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:36.000]  And we do a four hour show, so we have more time tomorrow night.
[01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:37.000]  Thank you.
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