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[00:11.400 --> 00:12.400]  John Bush here with your Liberty Beat for Friday, August 23, 2013.
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[00:49.880 --> 00:51.720]  And now the news.
[00:51.720 --> 00:55.960]  On Thursday, the New York City Council voted for a set of bills that would create an external
[00:55.960 --> 00:59.300]  watchdog organization for the New York Police Department.
[00:59.300 --> 01:03.600]  The organization would assist people in filing claims against the NYPD.
[01:03.600 --> 01:09.040]  Mayor Michael Bloomberg was a harsh critic and vetoed the measure, calling it unnecessary.
[01:09.040 --> 01:12.640]  Members of the measure believe the legislation is a vital check on the police department,
[01:12.640 --> 01:16.840]  especially after criticism of the NYPD's stop and frisk policy, which was recently
[01:16.840 --> 01:22.600]  struck down by a federal judge.
[01:22.600 --> 01:26.260]  Budget cuts have hit the Central Intelligence Agency, leading to the closing of an office
[01:26.260 --> 01:29.480]  that focused on declassifying historical files.
[01:29.480 --> 01:33.760]  The Historical Collections Division will close its doors as the CIA attempts to meet federal
[01:33.760 --> 01:38.240]  budget cuts, also known as the sequester, while the office that handles Freedom of Information
[01:38.240 --> 01:41.680]  Act requests is said to be taking over the declassification work.
[01:41.680 --> 01:46.160]  The chair of the CIA's historic review panel believes, quote, there will be fewer releases
[01:46.160 --> 01:48.880]  and we shouldn't fool ourselves.
[01:48.880 --> 01:55.480]  A new study published in the journal Social Cognitive and Effective Neuroscience suggests
[01:55.480 --> 01:58.880]  that the human brain is built to connect with other human beings strong enough that the
[01:58.880 --> 02:02.600]  brain experiences another's pain as if it were its own.
[02:02.600 --> 02:06.000]  Findings suggest that our brains experience empathy in a way that allows us to feel the
[02:06.000 --> 02:08.320]  pain of someone we are emotionally close to.
[02:08.320 --> 02:14.040]  The study also showed no neural activity and no empathy for pain experienced by strangers.
[02:14.040 --> 02:18.280]  Researchers used MRI brain scans and the threat of electric shock to study the neural activity
[02:18.280 --> 02:22.240]  in the regions of the brain responsible for threat response.
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[02:38.640 --> 02:43.480]  On Wednesday, a coalition of more than 150 U.S. farm and food businesses and organizations
[02:43.480 --> 02:47.560]  asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture to strengthen its oversight of field trials of
[02:47.560 --> 02:49.200]  genetically modified crops.
[02:49.200 --> 02:53.240]  The coalition, which includes the Organic Seed Alliance and the Rural Advancement Foundation
[02:53.240 --> 02:57.760]  International, has issued the call in response to unapproved GMO wheat from Monsanto that
[02:57.760 --> 03:00.040]  was discovered growing in the wild this spring.
[03:00.040 --> 03:24.560]  Really, man, come on, six o'clock noon, see somebody been shot, somebody's been abused,
[03:24.560 --> 03:31.360]  somebody blew up a building, somebody stole a car, somebody got away, somebody didn't
[03:31.360 --> 03:38.960]  get too far, yeah, they didn't get too far.
[03:38.960 --> 03:45.680]  Grandpappy told my pappy back in my day son, when a man had to answer for the wheat that
[03:45.680 --> 03:52.480]  he'd done, take all the rope in Texas by the tall old tree, round up all of them, that
[03:52.480 --> 04:03.400]  boy sang a hymn stream for all the people to sing, that justice is one thing you should
[04:03.400 --> 04:09.200]  always find, you've got to settle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line, when
[04:09.200 --> 04:15.920]  the guns won't settle, we'll sing a victory tune, and we'll haul me back at the horse
[04:15.920 --> 04:22.400]  and moose, we'll raise up our glasses again, Steve will force us in, let's get back to
[04:22.400 --> 04:26.560]  work, be for my men, be for my horses.
[04:26.560 --> 04:37.000]  All right, folks, this is the Monday Night Rule of Law Radio Traffic Show, and I am your
[04:37.000 --> 04:42.680]  host, Eddie Craig, it is August 26, 2013.
[04:42.680 --> 04:47.720]  We did start the classes back up at least temporarily yesterday, didn't have nearly
[04:47.720 --> 04:54.800]  as many as I'd hoped we'd have for a grand re-beginning, but we had a few people, but
[04:54.800 --> 05:01.960]  just so everyone knows, for the moment, simply because now I can't leave right away due to
[05:01.960 --> 05:08.960]  my case being remanded back and the municipal court going all stupid with it and trying
[05:08.960 --> 05:14.920]  to do the whole thing again, I'm not going to be able to leave right away because I have
[05:14.920 --> 05:17.080]  to be here to deal with that.
[05:17.080 --> 05:21.760]  So that being said, classes are back on at least for a temporary period.
[05:21.760 --> 05:27.360]  Now some of the stuff that we were talking about in the class was dealing with the practical
[05:27.360 --> 05:32.280]  application of how to take the information regarding the statutes that I spent so long
[05:32.280 --> 05:39.960]  trying to ingrain in folks and using it to defend yourself and make a record of what
[05:39.960 --> 05:46.280]  these courts and these prosecutors do when you go in.
[05:46.280 --> 05:51.280]  And believe me, the less you know, the more they will hurt you, the harder they will make
[05:51.280 --> 05:57.400]  it for you to defend yourself and to be able to get actual justice out of the deal before
[05:57.400 --> 05:59.220]  it's all said and done.
[05:59.220 --> 06:01.440]  This of course is intentional.
[06:01.440 --> 06:07.620]  This is why the information is not easily understood or available to the masses because
[06:07.620 --> 06:13.480]  it would cut into the profiteering of the enterprise itself.
[06:13.480 --> 06:25.160]  Now as much as I would love to have Brave New Books packed every single class, it bothers
[06:25.160 --> 06:34.800]  me more to think that the few people that we're getting, bless her hearts, most of them
[06:34.800 --> 06:40.360]  are more than willing to take the fight to them and God praise them for it.
[06:40.360 --> 06:45.520]  But folks, nobody's practicing this outside of the classroom and there's definitely not
[06:45.520 --> 06:51.480]  enough of us to turn the tide in any one location.
[06:51.480 --> 06:58.480]  The more people that we can draw into understanding the issues in front of us, the more powerful
[06:58.480 --> 07:04.200]  we become because the larger our power to make change.
[07:04.200 --> 07:09.680]  That's not saying a small group can't do it, but their job will be far harder than it would
[07:09.680 --> 07:14.080]  be if they had community support and backing to make it happen.
[07:14.080 --> 07:20.520]  That's true of any grassroots movement, whether it be peaceful streets, our information dissemination
[07:20.520 --> 07:24.720]  here at rule of law, the future of tile of law.
[07:24.720 --> 07:33.720]  All of that is dependent upon participation, learning, advancing, putting into practice,
[07:33.720 --> 07:38.920]  becoming self-governing like we're supposed to be.
[07:38.920 --> 07:45.000]  How can you call yourself self-governing if you're going to turn the reins of your life
[07:45.000 --> 07:49.240]  over to someone else to do it for you?
[07:49.240 --> 07:58.000]  That is not self-governing, that's surrender, okay?
[07:58.000 --> 08:01.240]  Don't do that.
[08:01.240 --> 08:05.760]  You will bury me still swinging folks.
[08:05.760 --> 08:08.360]  I will not go down without a fight.
[08:08.360 --> 08:16.320]  I will not stop fighting until fighting is no longer a possibility.
[08:16.320 --> 08:22.000]  I understand some are built to carry on battle in a different way than others.
[08:22.000 --> 08:25.680]  Some do it with their brain, some do it with their mouth.
[08:25.680 --> 08:29.120]  Mine's more mouth than anything else, of course, as you can all tell.
[08:29.120 --> 08:35.440]  Some do it by physical acts of taking to the streets and protesting and shouting and marching
[08:35.440 --> 08:36.840]  and all this.
[08:36.840 --> 08:42.920]  Some do it by organizing to go through the legislative process.
[08:42.920 --> 08:49.720]  All of it needs to be working together toward a common goal, okay?
[08:49.720 --> 08:54.160]  Rather than us taking that pet peeve and going in this direction with it or that direction
[08:54.160 --> 09:00.960]  with it, in the hopes that it will advance itself to the point where it takes hold, we
[09:00.960 --> 09:12.040]  need to organize and understand what is actually being done and organized to fight it off.
[09:12.040 --> 09:15.400]  Because until we do that, we are at the system's mercy.
[09:15.400 --> 09:24.080]  The system can take us off one by one or in small groups very, very easily.
[09:24.080 --> 09:35.640]  But it would have a difficult time if we were large in number and organized and focused
[09:35.640 --> 09:41.400]  in our solidarity and action, okay?
[09:41.400 --> 09:50.360]  I mean, look at all the things that have been done to the American people just in the past
[09:50.360 --> 09:54.920]  few decades here, okay?
[09:54.920 --> 10:02.720]  We've had the racial wars in the 50s and 60s and segregation and all this other stuff going
[10:02.720 --> 10:04.200]  on.
[10:04.200 --> 10:07.060]  But again, that was socially engineered.
[10:07.060 --> 10:11.560]  That wasn't because the races themselves were having a real problem.
[10:11.560 --> 10:17.280]  It was because someone else sought to make it a problem, and there's a big discussion
[10:17.280 --> 10:22.880]  going on on Facebook right now, in fact, over that very subject is racial differences and
[10:22.880 --> 10:28.000]  people's attitude toward them and things like that, and I've chimed into it a couple times.
[10:28.000 --> 10:36.320]  I'm one of the people that I don't care what kind of color you have on your skin.
[10:36.320 --> 10:41.200]  I care more about the person beneath it.
[10:41.200 --> 10:42.640]  I care about your attitude.
[10:42.640 --> 10:44.320]  I care about your behavior.
[10:44.320 --> 10:46.240]  I care about your actions.
[10:46.240 --> 10:53.160]  I care about your willingness to respect me as much as you want to be respected.
[10:53.160 --> 11:00.920]  But if you're acting in a way that disrespects yourself, how do you expect me to return respect
[11:00.920 --> 11:02.860]  to you?
[11:02.860 --> 11:08.480]  You're not entitled to my respect, okay?
[11:08.480 --> 11:15.960]  I prefer to treat you with respect because that's how I want to be treated.
[11:15.960 --> 11:19.800]  Something that our public servants forgot a long time ago, and it doesn't even have
[11:19.800 --> 11:24.400]  to be based upon race, they've developed a class system for themselves instead of a race
[11:24.400 --> 11:26.080]  system for themselves.
[11:26.080 --> 11:27.080]  I'm up here.
[11:27.080 --> 11:28.080]  You're down there.
[11:28.080 --> 11:29.640]  Don't talk to me.
[11:29.640 --> 11:36.640]  It doesn't matter whether you paint it as racism or class systems or elitist, you know.
[11:36.640 --> 11:37.840]  It doesn't matter.
[11:37.840 --> 11:44.360]  When you start trying to separate us as a people, period, we're all one people, whether
[11:44.360 --> 11:49.960]  we like it or not, we're still all one people, okay?
[11:49.960 --> 11:58.520]  So when we start going our separate ways on the important things, everybody suffers.
[11:58.520 --> 12:04.520]  How much I wished it was a simple process to get people to understand that we can do
[12:04.520 --> 12:11.880]  more by working together despite our differences than we will ever accomplish by making our
[12:11.880 --> 12:18.240]  differences a point of separation and distraction.
[12:18.240 --> 12:24.160]  I don't care if you're black, if you can do this thing that needs to be done.
[12:24.160 --> 12:30.520]  I don't care if you're yellow, I don't care if you're red, I don't care, okay?
[12:30.520 --> 12:35.720]  But when you start using your color despite your capability as an excuse to think that
[12:35.720 --> 12:42.000]  you deserve treatment in a different fashion than everyone else, then I've got a problem
[12:42.000 --> 12:44.920]  with that, okay?
[12:44.920 --> 12:49.440]  I am not a selfish person, okay?
[12:49.440 --> 12:52.160]  I'm just not.
[12:52.160 --> 12:55.160]  Material stuff doesn't really matter to me.
[12:55.160 --> 13:01.840]  I can live wherever I have to live to do what I do as long as I believe in what I do.
[13:01.840 --> 13:05.480]  And I don't need anyone to change that for me.
[13:05.480 --> 13:09.680]  It works for me, okay?
[13:09.680 --> 13:11.640]  And there are times when I go, you know what?
[13:11.640 --> 13:16.400]  If people had the attitude I've got, this world would be so much different than it is.
[13:16.400 --> 13:18.400]  Well, maybe, maybe not.
[13:18.400 --> 13:22.000]  It all depends on what you're willing to do with that attitude, okay?
[13:22.000 --> 13:28.360]  I mean, it's just like what the Bible says, faith without works is dead.
[13:28.360 --> 13:31.000]  Now a lot of people misconstrue what that means.
[13:31.000 --> 13:34.480]  Some are saying, well, you're trying to say that you can work your way to heaven.
[13:34.480 --> 13:36.080]  No, I'm not.
[13:36.080 --> 13:40.440]  God, I have faith in to do everything He promised to do.
[13:40.440 --> 13:45.320]  But God also gave me a job to do for Him.
[13:45.320 --> 13:48.480]  That job is not what's going to get me to heaven.
[13:48.480 --> 13:52.280]  That job is what I'm tasked with.
[13:52.280 --> 13:56.600]  It's just expected of me, okay?
[13:56.600 --> 14:00.240]  It's not a condition of salvation.
[14:00.240 --> 14:03.520]  It's not any of that.
[14:03.520 --> 14:13.560]  But it is something that I took responsibility for when I said, okay, and if most people
[14:13.560 --> 14:19.200]  would think that way, I honestly believe we would all get along better.
[14:19.200 --> 14:25.160]  I can get along with almost anyone, and I do say almost because there are those people
[14:25.160 --> 14:32.880]  in the world that are irritating to somebody somewhere, no matter how hard they try to
[14:32.880 --> 14:37.960]  be or not try to be.
[14:37.960 --> 14:42.000]  Everybody's got a reason why they can deal with some people and not others, and it's
[14:42.000 --> 14:44.480]  not always based on race.
[14:44.480 --> 14:46.080]  It can be personality conflicts.
[14:46.080 --> 14:47.960]  It can be all kinds of things.
[14:47.960 --> 14:56.440]  But all of that and how it affects how we work together is a choice, folks.
[14:56.440 --> 14:59.440]  You can choose to forgive and forget.
[14:59.440 --> 15:07.840]  You can choose to ignore that snide remark, that bad attitude, and still do the job at
[15:07.840 --> 15:11.040]  hand that needs to be done.
[15:11.040 --> 15:12.040]  You can do it.
[15:12.040 --> 15:13.040]  It takes practice.
[15:13.040 --> 15:17.560]  It takes self-control, but it can be done.
[15:17.560 --> 15:23.400]  If people can't get under your skin and incite you to do something that gives them cause
[15:23.400 --> 15:33.560]  to be whatever, then the likelihood of them continuing to act in that fashion, in my experience,
[15:33.560 --> 15:36.280]  tends to diminish it.
[15:36.280 --> 15:43.800]  Every now and then, you will find that individual that nothing you do will make it work, and
[15:43.800 --> 15:47.960]  they will finally push a button that shouldn't have gotten pushed.
[15:47.960 --> 15:55.960]  But fortunately, that's been rare, and I'm pretty sure a lot of folks could say the same
[15:55.960 --> 15:56.960]  thing.
[15:56.960 --> 15:59.440]  I can't say all of them, but a lot of folks can probably say the same thing.
[15:59.440 --> 16:03.680]  It may happen every now and then, but it doesn't happen very often.
[16:03.680 --> 16:06.440]  I don't like conflict, but I'm not afraid of conflict.
[16:06.440 --> 16:08.080]  It's just me personally.
[16:08.080 --> 16:16.400]  I would love to be able just to live a happy, I don't have to be an activist life because
[16:16.400 --> 16:19.000]  things are finally the way they're supposed to be.
[16:19.000 --> 16:23.680]  I'm free, I'm unmolested, and I don't have somebody trying to tell me what I can and
[16:23.680 --> 16:29.480]  cannot do with what is rightfully mine in a place that belongs to me.
[16:29.480 --> 16:33.000]  So we need to consider that.
[16:33.000 --> 16:40.280]  Instead of looking at how we're different, look at how we need each other, especially
[16:40.280 --> 16:47.440]  in the time when our public servants have gotten so collectively unified against us
[16:47.440 --> 16:50.320]  in order to make things a lot worse than they've been.
[16:50.320 --> 16:53.160]  All right, folks, we'll be right back after this break.
[16:53.160 --> 16:56.200]  Isaac, Craig, y'all hang on, I'll take the calls on the other side.
[16:56.200 --> 17:00.720]  We'll be right back, folks, so y'all hang on.
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[19:39.520 --> 19:43.480]  Call in number, folks, 512-646-1984.
[19:43.480 --> 19:45.240]  I got two folks up.
[19:45.240 --> 19:46.240]  Long way to go.
[19:46.240 --> 19:51.960]  I need some more talkers and question askers and opinionators and just whatever, but I need
[19:51.960 --> 19:53.240]  somebody on that board.
[19:53.240 --> 19:54.240]  All right.
[19:54.240 --> 19:56.440]  Let's go to Isaac in Missouri.
[19:56.440 --> 19:58.800]  Isaac, what can we do for you?
[19:58.800 --> 19:59.800]  Okay.
[19:59.800 --> 20:05.720]  First off, I'll ask your forbearance because it's kind of new to me, so if I say any of
[20:05.720 --> 20:10.800]  the seven deadly sins and all that, then bear with me.
[20:10.800 --> 20:22.320]  But anyway, I got pulled over in Cuba, Missouri for not having a license plate on my trailer.
[20:22.320 --> 20:29.160]  And I guess one of my first questions is, does the word trailer mean that it's commercial
[20:29.160 --> 20:35.400]  or is that just a name for the piece of equipment?
[20:35.400 --> 20:42.480]  Well again, here in Texas, the word trailer is defined in the statute, just like vehicle
[20:42.480 --> 20:43.480]  is.
[20:43.480 --> 20:44.480]  Okay.
[20:44.480 --> 20:45.480]  All right.
[20:45.480 --> 20:46.480]  Okay.
[20:46.480 --> 20:55.720]  Well, in this one, I think with any vehicle, I think it looks to you as a vehicle, I'm
[20:55.720 --> 21:01.720]  not even sure if it's a vehicle, but as something that does not have a motor, and I don't know
[21:01.720 --> 21:02.720]  if it's a vehicle or not.
[21:02.720 --> 21:05.720]  I've looked up the definition, but I don't know.
[21:05.720 --> 21:12.920]  Well, here in Texas, they consider a mobile home, an actual trailer house that has no
[21:12.920 --> 21:16.760]  engine of any kind to be a motor vehicle.
[21:16.760 --> 21:17.760]  Okay.
[21:17.760 --> 21:18.760]  Right.
[21:18.760 --> 21:22.400]  Now, I'm not talking a camping trailer.
[21:22.400 --> 21:26.760]  I'm talking a 60, 80, 100 foot mobile home.
[21:26.760 --> 21:27.760]  Okay.
[21:27.760 --> 21:33.320]  So something that's stationary pretty much all the time.
[21:33.320 --> 21:36.880]  It's not even, you know, it's never even supposed to be on the road except to move from one
[21:36.880 --> 21:37.880]  mobile home.
[21:37.880 --> 21:38.880]  Exactly.
[21:38.880 --> 21:45.480]  Well, this is a 16 foot flatbed trailer, so, you know, just a simple trailer, but I
[21:45.480 --> 21:46.480]  didn't know.
[21:46.480 --> 21:54.600]  It seems to me that trailer, you know, typically refers to like for the tractor trailer rig,
[21:54.600 --> 21:57.000]  which of course is nearly always commercial.
[21:57.000 --> 22:01.600]  Well, they'll call that a truck tractor or a truck trailer.
[22:01.600 --> 22:02.600]  Okay.
[22:02.600 --> 22:03.600]  Okay.
[22:03.600 --> 22:08.800]  So the use of the word trailer would not mean, would not likely mean that it was commercial,
[22:08.800 --> 22:09.800]  but that wouldn't incriminate.
[22:09.800 --> 22:15.920]  Well, again, it's not strictly the descriptive name of the object.
[22:15.920 --> 22:21.240]  Another key factor is it must be in use for that purpose.
[22:21.240 --> 22:22.240]  Right.
[22:22.240 --> 22:23.240]  Yeah.
[22:23.240 --> 22:24.240]  Okay.
[22:24.240 --> 22:33.040]  Well, anyway, what happened was I found the car that was cheap and needed body work and
[22:33.040 --> 22:41.600]  I had another car with a bad engine that had, you know, had the body parts for this car
[22:41.600 --> 22:47.440]  and the only trailer I had available to me was one that my dad used to use and I don't
[22:47.440 --> 22:51.360]  know what happened to the license plate on it, but anyway, I asked him if I could use
[22:51.360 --> 22:55.000]  it and he said, well, yeah, but, you know, doesn't have a plate on it.
[22:55.000 --> 22:58.600]  He said, just, you know, if you fix it up, you can have it, just put in your name, but
[22:58.600 --> 22:59.880]  he couldn't find the title.
[22:59.880 --> 23:05.240]  So that same day I wanted to go up and snatch that car before it was, you know, sold to
[23:05.240 --> 23:08.240]  somebody else because it was a good deal.
[23:08.240 --> 23:13.080]  Anyway, drove it up there and I didn't have any trouble with, I passed several police
[23:13.080 --> 23:20.520]  officers or police officers, I guess they are, on the way up and, you know, no trouble
[23:20.520 --> 23:24.720]  until I got into Cuba, which is actually where the, Cuba, Missouri, which is actually where
[23:24.720 --> 23:30.120]  the car was that I was looking to pick up.
[23:30.120 --> 23:39.920]  At any rate, I get, just get off the highway, interstate, onto the two-way road and this
[23:39.920 --> 23:44.840]  officer pulls up behind me, puts his lights on and he, as soon as he gets out, he's got
[23:44.840 --> 23:50.760]  this major chip on his shoulder, just harassing me with that wire on it so I think, you know,
[23:50.760 --> 23:59.320]  I could drive that thing 200 miles and, you know, just used to be completely irate about
[23:59.320 --> 24:04.720]  a trailer without my truck license, which I realize is not necessary, but in his mind
[24:04.720 --> 24:13.280]  it was, but just, you know, from the get-go, just very aggressive, he told me that I could
[24:13.280 --> 24:20.160]  not proceed any further into town or he would give me further tickets and possibly I could
[24:20.160 --> 24:23.840]  possibly end myself in jail.
[24:23.840 --> 24:29.920]  He said that I had to drop the trailer right where it was and go and get plates for it
[24:29.920 --> 24:34.000]  and then come back and get it, which where it was would have definitely been a tow-way
[24:34.000 --> 24:42.000]  zone and he fully well knew that, but anyway, he just made it, just the hardest, he made
[24:42.000 --> 24:47.320]  it the hardest he could for me and I asked him after he started being irate so much,
[24:47.320 --> 24:54.360]  I asked him, I said, can I speak to your supervising officer and he said, he said, I am my own
[24:54.360 --> 25:03.840]  supervisor right now, was his word and he proceeds to ask me impossible questions like,
[25:03.840 --> 25:08.160]  well, where am I going to drop the trailer off, you know, he tries to get me to say that
[25:08.160 --> 25:18.160]  I'm going to drop the trailer, which I didn't say and anyway, you know, this typically you
[25:18.160 --> 25:24.000]  have, they give you a pretty considerable amount of leeway when you get a new vehicle,
[25:24.000 --> 25:30.600]  do what they call it, what they consider vehicles and I believe they consider trailers, vehicles.
[25:30.600 --> 25:36.400]  Okay, let me read you a couple of definitions out of the Texas code for trailer.
[25:36.400 --> 25:37.400]  Okay.
[25:37.400 --> 25:38.400]  Okay.
[25:38.400 --> 25:46.640]  Out of 541 of the transportation code, trailer means a vehicle other than a pole trailer
[25:46.640 --> 25:54.400]  with or without motive power that A, designed to be drawn by a motor vehicle and to transport
[25:54.400 --> 26:01.660]  persons or property, so right there, it's something without a motor designed to be drawn
[26:01.660 --> 26:08.280]  by a motor vehicle, in other words, something being used in commerce and to transport the
[26:08.280 --> 26:17.920]  commercial act, persons or property and constructed so that no part of the vehicle's weight and
[26:17.920 --> 26:21.840]  load rests on the motor vehicle.
[26:21.840 --> 26:28.840]  I don't know of almost any trailer where that is not the case.
[26:28.840 --> 26:37.680]  Right, you'd have to, every trailer has the definition of trailer, it means that part
[26:37.680 --> 26:44.240]  of it rests on the vehicle and you could pursue a wagon not to rest on the vehicle because
[26:44.240 --> 26:45.600]  then all you have is a tongue weight.
[26:45.600 --> 26:51.120]  Well, no, no, the weight of the load, not the trailer resting on, but the load, weight
[26:51.120 --> 26:56.320]  of the load is transferred to whatever it's attached to.
[26:56.320 --> 27:01.280]  Most of the trailers that I know of that if you don't drop something down in the front
[27:01.280 --> 27:09.360]  of them to keep the tongue off the ground, they will go down and that's true if you put
[27:09.360 --> 27:12.000]  any load on them whatsoever.
[27:12.000 --> 27:17.160]  Now what they'll try to argue is if the load can stand on the trailer without being attached
[27:17.160 --> 27:21.120]  to the quote unquote motor vehicle, then it qualifies.
[27:21.120 --> 27:23.960]  Well, that is not what this says.
[27:23.960 --> 27:29.920]  This says if any part of the weight of the load rests on the vehicle, then it's not a
[27:29.920 --> 27:30.920]  trailer.
[27:30.920 --> 27:36.760]  Well, it's typically about 25% of the load rests on the vehicle.
[27:36.760 --> 27:42.560]  If they're designed to it, they have to have a certain amount resting on the vehicle because
[27:42.560 --> 27:49.720]  otherwise, like you say, if you had a completely balanced and no weight on the tongue whatsoever,
[27:49.720 --> 27:52.560]  then you'd end up with a serious fish tailing situation.
[27:52.560 --> 27:57.640]  You wouldn't have any other... It's designed to distribute the weight on the vehicle and
[27:57.640 --> 27:58.640]  the trailer.
[27:58.640 --> 27:59.640]  Exactly.
[27:59.640 --> 28:00.640]  Yeah.
[28:00.640 --> 28:01.640]  That definition alone is faulty.
[28:01.640 --> 28:02.640]  Right.
[28:02.640 --> 28:07.600]  Well, and also they define the trailer as a vehicle and the one you dispose of, so therefore
[28:07.600 --> 28:12.440]  it falls into a commercial category anyway, regardless of what else it is attached to.
[28:12.440 --> 28:13.440]  Yeah.
[28:13.440 --> 28:19.560]  I mean, like for instance, here in Texas under 504, which deals with registration of trailers,
[28:19.560 --> 28:23.480]  the only trailer even put in here is a rental trailer.
[28:23.480 --> 28:28.760]  If it's not in here to be rented, then it doesn't require it to be registered.
[28:28.760 --> 28:29.760]  Right.
[28:29.760 --> 28:33.240]  And a lot of states don't have any plates whatsoever.
[28:33.240 --> 28:38.120]  Like Arkansas doesn't require a tile, doesn't require plates whatsoever, and that's a neighboring
[28:38.120 --> 28:41.280]  state to the south.
[28:41.280 --> 28:45.600]  I know Wisconsin, the plates are optional, but they're not required.
[28:45.600 --> 28:51.960]  But in this state, when I looked up the statute, it says that it throws in any motor vehicle
[28:51.960 --> 28:54.160]  or trailer all into the same category.
[28:54.160 --> 28:55.160]  Yeah.
[28:55.160 --> 29:01.760]  When it describes plates being required, it throws them all into the same exact statute.
[29:01.760 --> 29:19.480]  This one, the officer gave me a citation for operate drive, he describes the truck, well,
[29:19.480 --> 29:26.400]  the pickup that I was driving, and then he says, failure to register trailer attached
[29:26.400 --> 29:29.160]  to vehicle with Department of Revenue.
[29:29.160 --> 29:32.720]  At any rate, I suppose to...
[29:32.720 --> 29:33.720]  Okay.
[29:33.720 --> 29:34.720]  Well, hang on, Isaac.
[29:34.720 --> 29:35.720]  I've got to go to break.
[29:35.720 --> 29:38.680]  But I need you to give me an actual question here when we get done because I've got other
[29:38.680 --> 29:39.880]  callers I've got to get to.
[29:39.880 --> 29:40.880]  Okay?
[29:40.880 --> 29:41.880]  So hang on.
[29:41.880 --> 29:42.880]  We'll be right back.
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[33:06.080 --> 33:25.440]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm going to solve them, to the government them, prosecute them.
[33:25.440 --> 33:26.440]  Okay.
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[33:45.600 --> 33:46.600]  This is Rule of Law Radio.
[33:46.600 --> 33:47.600]  All right, Isaac.
[33:47.600 --> 33:50.600]  Let's see if we can wrap this up.
[33:50.600 --> 34:00.840]  Okay, well, in any way, I spoke to the chief of police, and I told him how the officer
[34:00.840 --> 34:01.840]  acted.
[34:01.840 --> 34:06.040]  And he said that he would not likely have given me a ticket, nor would his officers
[34:06.040 --> 34:07.040]  have given me a ticket.
[34:07.040 --> 34:09.040]  Most of his officers would have.
[34:09.040 --> 34:16.320]  Now, isn't there something in the law requiring them to give the only right ticket for what
[34:16.320 --> 34:19.160]  would be considered reasonable with most officers?
[34:19.160 --> 34:22.800]  Well, again, you're asking me about Missouri law.
[34:22.800 --> 34:23.800]  I have no idea.
[34:23.800 --> 34:24.800]  Okay.
[34:24.800 --> 34:25.800]  Okay.
[34:25.800 --> 34:26.800]  Well, he...
[34:26.800 --> 34:34.720]  And then I pointed out to him that the trailer was registered as the ticket that it wasn't.
[34:34.720 --> 34:39.920]  And he said, okay, well, I'll have him send out a different ticket for not having place
[34:39.920 --> 34:42.000]  on it.
[34:42.000 --> 34:46.520]  So they canceled the original ticket and sent me this other ticket for not having place
[34:46.520 --> 34:47.520]  on it.
[34:47.520 --> 34:54.320]  So this other ticket, when he filled it out, it doesn't say I did unlawfully do anything.
[34:54.320 --> 34:56.320]  He didn't fill that part out.
[34:56.320 --> 35:00.320]  All it says is make trailer.
[35:00.320 --> 35:03.320]  And then down at the bottom, it says the license plate required.
[35:03.320 --> 35:04.320]  And that's all it says.
[35:04.320 --> 35:09.320]  It doesn't say that I did anything with it at all.
[35:09.320 --> 35:14.720]  So how am I supposed to defend against something when I don't know, when it doesn't say what
[35:14.720 --> 35:15.720]  I did?
[35:15.720 --> 35:18.800]  Well, that's the whole thing.
[35:18.800 --> 35:24.280]  It sounds to me like they're trying to accuse you of, you know, not having a registered
[35:24.280 --> 35:30.120]  trailer on the highway or having a non-registered trailer on the highway.
[35:30.120 --> 35:31.120]  So...
[35:31.120 --> 35:32.120]  Okay.
[35:32.120 --> 35:33.120]  Well, he didn't...
[35:33.120 --> 35:40.240]  You know, you're supposed to on these uniform citations, he's supposed to checkmark, operate,
[35:40.240 --> 35:41.720]  drive, park.
[35:41.720 --> 35:46.320]  Well, again, they're not going to invalidate that because he didn't fill the ticket out
[35:46.320 --> 35:47.320]  properly.
[35:47.320 --> 35:51.920]  Even though there may be rules that say it's invalid if he doesn't, they don't care.
[35:51.920 --> 35:52.920]  Okay.
[35:52.920 --> 35:53.920]  And how...
[35:53.920 --> 35:58.760]  Now, neither one of these did he ask me to sign.
[35:58.760 --> 36:00.160]  The first one he wrote...
[36:00.160 --> 36:02.280]  Is there a requirement in Missouri that it be signed?
[36:02.280 --> 36:03.280]  That's what I'm trying to...
[36:03.280 --> 36:04.280]  How do I find that out?
[36:04.280 --> 36:11.280]  Well, you have to go to the statute to govern those citations and read.
[36:11.280 --> 36:12.280]  Okay.
[36:12.280 --> 36:18.160]  Well, I've been through the whole chapter, the 301 chapter, and I can't find anything
[36:18.160 --> 36:19.160]  of the first thing.
[36:19.160 --> 36:21.840]  Why do you think what you want's in 301?
[36:21.840 --> 36:24.840]  Why can't it be in 296?
[36:24.840 --> 36:30.920]  Well, that's just the violation was under that chapter.
[36:30.920 --> 36:32.480]  That's the one that regulates...
[36:32.480 --> 36:36.200]  Well, if you know it's under that chapter, then how can you say you didn't find it?
[36:36.200 --> 36:43.400]  Well, no, I'm saying that's what regulates licensing.
[36:43.400 --> 36:44.920]  We're not talking about licensing.
[36:44.920 --> 36:46.920]  We're talking about registration.
[36:46.920 --> 36:47.920]  Okay.
[36:47.920 --> 36:53.440]  Well, on the second one, it was about the license plate, not the registration.
[36:53.440 --> 36:58.760]  Well, the license plate is secondary to the registration.
[36:58.760 --> 37:01.960]  You don't get the plate till you register.
[37:01.960 --> 37:02.960]  Right.
[37:02.960 --> 37:13.320]  There's a completely different revised statute that he cited for that, and the license plate
[37:13.320 --> 37:17.560]  actually has a lesser penalty than the failure to register.
[37:17.560 --> 37:18.560]  Okay.
[37:18.560 --> 37:24.400]  But again, I don't understand your question.
[37:24.400 --> 37:27.880]  If he can charge you with both under Missouri law, he's going to.
[37:27.880 --> 37:29.880]  There's more money in them for that.
[37:29.880 --> 37:30.880]  Right.
[37:30.880 --> 37:31.880]  But he didn't.
[37:31.880 --> 37:36.240]  He canceled the first ticket, and he charged me with a second, because he couldn't make
[37:36.240 --> 37:39.240]  the first one fit.
[37:39.240 --> 37:41.280]  Well, wait, wait, wait.
[37:41.280 --> 37:42.280]  Okay.
[37:42.280 --> 37:43.280]  Wait, wait, wait.
[37:43.280 --> 37:47.280]  Which one did he not write?
[37:47.280 --> 37:52.480]  He wrote both of them, but the second one superseded the first.
[37:52.480 --> 37:53.480]  Okay.
[37:53.480 --> 37:54.480]  Wait, wait, wait.
[37:54.480 --> 37:56.480]  Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
[37:56.480 --> 38:00.360]  You just said he dropped the first one.
[38:00.360 --> 38:01.360]  Did you not?
[38:01.360 --> 38:02.360]  No.
[38:02.360 --> 38:03.360]  What was it?
[38:03.360 --> 38:07.360]  That was the one that was failure to register.
[38:07.360 --> 38:08.360]  Okay.
[38:08.360 --> 38:12.080]  Then he wrote you a ticket for no plate?
[38:12.080 --> 38:13.080]  Yes.
[38:13.080 --> 38:16.840]  Then what in the world makes you think one supersedes the other?
[38:16.840 --> 38:18.840]  They're attached.
[38:18.840 --> 38:23.080]  If he can't charge you with failure to register, he can't charge you with failure to have a
[38:23.080 --> 38:24.080]  plate.
[38:24.080 --> 38:25.080]  Okay.
[38:25.080 --> 38:35.800]  Well, in his letter that he wrote, he says, I have enclosed the corrected summons for
[38:35.800 --> 38:38.720]  the Cuba City Ordinance of license plate required.
[38:38.720 --> 38:41.360]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[38:41.360 --> 38:42.360]  He's...
[38:42.360 --> 38:43.360]  Whoa, whoa, stop.
[38:43.360 --> 38:47.200]  City Ordinance says a license plate's required?
[38:47.200 --> 38:48.800]  Yes.
[38:48.800 --> 38:50.280]  Does the state law...
[38:50.280 --> 38:52.080]  Listen, Isaac.
[38:52.080 --> 38:55.400]  Does the state law say the same thing?
[38:55.400 --> 38:57.800]  Yes, it does.
[38:57.800 --> 39:02.920]  It's a different wording, but it does essentially say the same thing.
[39:02.920 --> 39:04.920]  What do you mean by different wording?
[39:04.920 --> 39:12.920]  Well, this, apparently the city ordinance he cited does not use the same language as
[39:12.920 --> 39:15.600]  the Missouri Revised State.
[39:15.600 --> 39:16.600]  Okay.
[39:16.600 --> 39:19.040]  I get what different wording means.
[39:19.040 --> 39:26.000]  What I need to know is what is the distinction?
[39:26.000 --> 39:28.000]  Why is the language in the ordinance?
[39:28.000 --> 39:29.520]  How is it different?
[39:29.520 --> 39:34.680]  What does it say that makes it different than the statute?
[39:34.680 --> 39:39.480]  Is it saying the same thing in a different way, or is it describing something completely
[39:39.480 --> 39:41.200]  different as a requirement?
[39:41.200 --> 39:44.720]  Well, the statute does not...
[39:44.720 --> 39:49.640]  The statute does not actually prescribe any penalty, which I thought was rather...
[39:49.640 --> 39:55.640]  If the state statute does not give a penalty, then neither can the ordinance.
[39:55.640 --> 39:57.360]  Okay.
[39:57.360 --> 40:04.560]  The city cannot legislate in a place where the state legislature already has.
[40:04.560 --> 40:10.440]  If they did not assess a penalty, they cannot do it at the city level.
[40:10.440 --> 40:11.440]  Okay.
[40:11.440 --> 40:16.720]  So, make sure you're reading that correctly.
[40:16.720 --> 40:17.720]  Right.
[40:17.720 --> 40:20.720]  And I looked through the...
[40:20.720 --> 40:26.000]  Chapter 301 is what regulates the licensing and the place.
[40:26.000 --> 40:31.160]  I've read through various ones, and almost all of them at the bottom assess...
[40:31.160 --> 40:36.160]  Well, all of them do assess this one that I've been charged with, the license plate
[40:36.160 --> 40:37.160]  required one.
[40:37.160 --> 40:40.640]  They all assess a penalty except that one.
[40:40.640 --> 40:42.520]  It says nothing about a penalty at all.
[40:42.520 --> 40:44.320]  The others, they shall be...
[40:44.320 --> 40:45.320]  Okay.
[40:45.320 --> 40:50.520]  Then you need to look for a general section dealing with that area where they can charge
[40:50.520 --> 40:56.240]  you with things, and see if the general section says, if there is any offense for which no
[40:56.240 --> 41:00.440]  punishment is stated, the default punishment will be blah.
[41:00.440 --> 41:02.120]  Okay.
[41:02.120 --> 41:06.760]  If there is, well, then that's where they assessed it.
[41:06.760 --> 41:07.760]  Okay.
[41:07.760 --> 41:14.520]  Well, one question I would have is, I know you're not that familiar with Missouri law,
[41:14.520 --> 41:24.320]  but what kind of action would I be able to place against these people if they continue
[41:24.320 --> 41:25.320]  to pursue it?
[41:25.320 --> 41:27.800]  What do you mean, what kind of action?
[41:27.800 --> 41:32.080]  You're going to have to either make them drop it by proving they have no case, or you're
[41:32.080 --> 41:36.360]  going to have to take it to court and prove they have no case.
[41:36.360 --> 41:39.600]  You've got to defend the ticket unless they up and drop it.
[41:39.600 --> 41:40.600]  Right.
[41:40.600 --> 41:49.240]  What I'm saying is, if I came after the police officer and the chief of police, if he...
[41:49.240 --> 41:55.120]  When he was talking to me, he contradicted state statutes several times, and I recorded
[41:55.120 --> 41:56.120]  the whole conversation.
[41:56.120 --> 42:03.120]  He told me that his officer did nothing wrong, and then when I confronted him about what
[42:03.120 --> 42:08.160]  the very things that he just said the officer did, he said, well, yeah, those were wrong,
[42:08.160 --> 42:10.160]  but they're not illegal.
[42:10.160 --> 42:11.160]  Okay.
[42:11.160 --> 42:17.600]  So, what's the point of that?
[42:17.600 --> 42:18.600]  How is that relevant?
[42:18.600 --> 42:22.600]  Well, I feel that I've been...
[42:22.600 --> 42:31.040]  This has been a great inconvenience and a harassment on something that most reasonable
[42:31.040 --> 42:36.760]  police officers never would have given me a verbal warning.
[42:36.760 --> 42:37.760]  Okay.
[42:37.760 --> 42:38.760]  Here's the problem.
[42:38.760 --> 42:39.760]  Apparently, the thing...
[42:39.760 --> 42:40.760]  Wait, wait, wait.
[42:40.760 --> 42:42.880]  Isaac, here's the problem.
[42:42.880 --> 42:45.880]  How you feel about it don't mean duck spit.
[42:45.880 --> 42:46.880]  Okay?
[42:46.880 --> 42:48.880]  Well, I realize that.
[42:48.880 --> 42:49.880]  Okay.
[42:49.880 --> 42:55.600]  So, get into the statutes, find out what it is they're actually trying to charge you with,
[42:55.600 --> 42:57.960]  and find out if it fits you.
[42:57.960 --> 43:03.680]  If the statutes make it plain this is a commercial-related activity, which it should, if you learn to
[43:03.680 --> 43:10.560]  read it right, and you make that argument and defend it, that's what you've got to do.
[43:10.560 --> 43:18.280]  Well, when you read the statutes to Texas regarding the failure, it sounded very similar.
[43:18.280 --> 43:19.280]  Okay.
[43:19.280 --> 43:21.480]  It doesn't matter what it sounds like.
[43:21.480 --> 43:25.600]  Here in Texas, it's called a transportation code.
[43:25.600 --> 43:32.800]  Therefore, right off the bat, whatever they write in that code has to be related to transportation
[43:32.800 --> 43:34.960]  and nothing else.
[43:34.960 --> 43:38.040]  Transportation is commercial use of the roads.
[43:38.040 --> 43:39.040]  End of story.
[43:39.040 --> 43:40.040]  Okay?
[43:40.040 --> 43:41.040]  All right.
[43:41.040 --> 43:42.040]  Figure it out, man.
[43:42.040 --> 43:43.040]  I got to get my other callers.
[43:43.040 --> 43:44.040]  Thanks for calling in.
[43:44.040 --> 43:45.040]  All right, folks.
[43:45.040 --> 43:46.040]  This is Rule of Law Radio calling number 512-646-1984.
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[45:01.440 --> 45:09.440]  Mr. President, members of Congress, you've been making a lot of noise about taking our guns away.
[45:09.440 --> 45:15.440]  But you might want to review history. 1835, Gonzales, Texas Territory.
[45:15.440 --> 45:20.440]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that protected that colony.
[45:20.440 --> 45:24.440]  You know what the people said? Come and take it.
[45:24.440 --> 45:31.440]  Because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns. So are we.
[45:31.440 --> 45:39.440]  Come and take it if you want it. Come and take it if you think you can. Come and take it.
[45:39.440 --> 45:44.440]  But I warn you, you'll have to buy it from our cold dead hands.
[45:44.440 --> 45:50.440]  We want the freedom that God gave us. So you best not cross that line.
[45:50.440 --> 45:55.440]  If you want this gun, you gotta come through us and take it.
[45:55.440 --> 46:01.440]  One shot at a time. Just like Gonzales, we're keeping our guns.
[46:01.440 --> 46:25.440]  If you did not have any problems, where are you gonna go for one? If you could not wait any battle long, would you purposefully die?
[46:25.440 --> 46:31.440]  Such a sentiment, a soldier, a warrior of love, scuffling the keys to the keys.
[46:31.440 --> 46:38.440]  All they're taking is a misunderstanding. Somebody calls the police.
[46:38.440 --> 46:45.440]  Alright folks, we are back. This is Rule of Law Radio and now we're gonna go to Craig in upstate New York.
[46:45.440 --> 46:48.440]  Craig, what can we do for you?
[46:48.440 --> 46:51.440]  Alright Eddie, hold on a second here.
[46:51.440 --> 46:53.440]  Hey, how are you doing Eddie?
[46:53.440 --> 46:55.440]  I'm doing great, how are you?
[46:55.440 --> 47:05.440]  Okay, let's talk about the compact with the states and how they're all interconnected now.
[47:05.440 --> 47:08.440]  What compact are we referring to?
[47:08.440 --> 47:11.440]  The one you talk about where all the states have come together and...
[47:11.440 --> 47:19.440]  There are several. There's the Interstate Drivers License Compact, the Interstate Insurance Compact, the Interstate Registration Compact.
[47:19.440 --> 47:22.440]  Which one would you like to talk about?
[47:22.440 --> 47:24.440]  Let's talk about the license.
[47:24.440 --> 47:25.440]  Okay.
[47:25.440 --> 47:31.440]  Alright. I went to...I've been on license lists for 11 years.
[47:31.440 --> 47:37.440]  The state says that I voluntarily surrendered mine.
[47:37.440 --> 47:46.440]  I'm tired of trying to be perfect and I've gotten caught three times and it's only been a $50 fine each time.
[47:46.440 --> 47:58.440]  Because I think that I have my license and it's like you say, just because it's not current I still have a client ID with New York State.
[47:58.440 --> 48:07.440]  So I went to DMV office and took the test, passed the test, go up to get my license.
[48:07.440 --> 48:15.440]  And of course because if you're without your license over two years in New York State you have to go through the whole process again.
[48:15.440 --> 48:22.440]  You have to go through the test, you have to go through the 30-day permit and then you get your full license.
[48:22.440 --> 48:24.440]  So we walked up to the counter.
[48:24.440 --> 48:33.440]  They were all set to give me my permit and they find out that I owed $2,700 to New Jersey for an insurance surcharge.
[48:33.440 --> 48:43.440]  The reason why we left New Jersey 20 years ago was because I was constantly getting harassed by a town cop who...
[48:43.440 --> 48:51.440]  If I pulled out of my driveway or down my road he'd check and see if I was legal or not and pull me over.
[48:51.440 --> 49:02.440]  Because with the insurance surcharge back then, once you got into that system you never knew if your license was good or not.
[49:02.440 --> 49:06.440]  And it was a constant battle.
[49:06.440 --> 49:18.440]  I've never had a moving violation and this is all predicated on the insurance surcharge in New Jersey 20 years ago.
[49:18.440 --> 49:26.440]  And they told me that I could not get a license in New York State until I took care of that.
[49:26.440 --> 49:29.440]  Okay, question.
[49:29.440 --> 49:33.440]  What commercial activity are you going to engage in in New York?
[49:33.440 --> 49:38.440]  Eddie, I totally understand you and get that part, all right?
[49:38.440 --> 49:42.440]  I get that.
[49:42.440 --> 49:45.440]  I get you.
[49:45.440 --> 49:49.440]  Well, I'm not asking that to try to get you on track of thinking.
[49:49.440 --> 49:52.440]  I'm asking it for very specific reason.
[49:52.440 --> 50:02.440]  You're discussing the surcharges that allegedly erode elsewhere as a consequence of not being able to get a license in New York.
[50:02.440 --> 50:03.440]  Am I correct?
[50:03.440 --> 50:05.440]  Right, you are correct.
[50:05.440 --> 50:13.440]  So if you want the license in New York, guess what my answer is going to be?
[50:13.440 --> 50:15.440]  Pay New Jersey.
[50:15.440 --> 50:18.440]  There you go.
[50:18.440 --> 50:24.440]  But you've also talked about how these contacts are unconstitutional.
[50:24.440 --> 50:26.440]  Stop.
[50:26.440 --> 50:28.440]  That is not what I said.
[50:28.440 --> 50:40.440]  What I said was if the federal Constitution is in force and effect, then unless Congress approves that thing,
[50:40.440 --> 50:46.440]  that the states are forbidden to enter into compacts or agreements with each other.
[50:46.440 --> 50:50.440]  They can do it if Congress approves of it.
[50:50.440 --> 50:52.440]  Guess what?
[50:52.440 --> 51:05.440]  There potentially is the legal foundation that it was collaterally approved of by the states adoption of Title 49
[51:05.440 --> 51:11.440]  and implementing a federal regulations for the purposes of interstate commerce.
[51:11.440 --> 51:21.440]  But because, and that's possible simply because the Constitution does not say with the express written permission of Congress,
[51:21.440 --> 51:24.440]  it says without the consent of Congress.
[51:24.440 --> 51:32.440]  Therefore, consent can be given in virtually any manner whatsoever.
[51:32.440 --> 51:33.440]  Okay.
[51:33.440 --> 51:34.440]  All right.
[51:34.440 --> 51:43.440]  So if the compact is valid because of that legal determination being made, which it hasn't been put on record,
[51:43.440 --> 51:46.440]  but if it's challenged, that's probably what would happen.
[51:46.440 --> 51:53.440]  The question then becomes, since it requires congressional approval,
[51:53.440 --> 52:01.440]  wouldn't that mean it had to involve interstate commercial activities, thus commerce in general?
[52:01.440 --> 52:09.440]  Thus validating the requirement that it can only be required for you to have the license if you're engaged in commerce?
[52:09.440 --> 52:12.440]  Commerce is commercial.
[52:12.440 --> 52:14.440]  That part's a given.
[52:14.440 --> 52:16.440]  Okay.
[52:16.440 --> 52:18.440]  I'm just saying that in your brother, that's all.
[52:18.440 --> 52:19.440]  Yeah.
[52:19.440 --> 52:23.440]  Transportation is an act of commerce.
[52:23.440 --> 52:24.440]  Right.
[52:24.440 --> 52:25.440]  Okay.
[52:25.440 --> 52:26.440]  It is not an act of commerce.
[52:26.440 --> 52:27.440]  No.
[52:27.440 --> 52:30.440]  Transportation is an act of commerce.
[52:30.440 --> 52:31.440]  Okay.
[52:31.440 --> 52:32.440]  Right.
[52:32.440 --> 52:33.440]  Traveling is not.
[52:33.440 --> 52:34.440]  Correct.
[52:34.440 --> 52:38.440]  Okay.
[52:38.440 --> 52:46.440]  So my point is, like I told you on Facebook, I think I'm the perfect candidate to challenge this.
[52:46.440 --> 52:48.440]  Explain.
[52:48.440 --> 52:56.440]  At Beverly, I think, now, and this is where I want, what, if I wanted to challenge this,
[52:56.440 --> 53:01.440]  if I wanted to challenge the legality, bad word.
[53:01.440 --> 53:02.440]  Legality?
[53:02.440 --> 53:18.440]  Legality of the reason that they denied me a license in New York State, what would be my first move?
[53:18.440 --> 53:19.440]  Okay.
[53:19.440 --> 53:22.440]  Now, let me see if I'm understanding this question.
[53:22.440 --> 53:25.440]  Well, see, this is where you get me when I listen to you.
[53:25.440 --> 53:26.440]  No, no, no.
[53:26.440 --> 53:27.440]  I'm just trying to make sure.
[53:27.440 --> 53:33.440]  Okay. You set yourself up for the role of the perfect candidate for this, right?
[53:33.440 --> 53:34.440]  Right.
[53:34.440 --> 53:38.440]  And in the very next breath, you asked me how?
[53:38.440 --> 53:39.440]  Yeah.
[53:39.440 --> 53:40.440]  Yeah.
[53:40.440 --> 53:45.440]  Because, I mean, I can see, I know, I'm learning from the master.
[53:45.440 --> 53:46.440]  Okay.
[53:46.440 --> 53:50.440]  I do not have the tools, but I have the opportunity.
[53:50.440 --> 53:55.440]  I have the life decisions and...
[53:55.440 --> 53:58.440]  Do you have the finances?
[53:58.440 --> 53:59.440]  Do I have the finances?
[53:59.440 --> 54:00.440]  Well, we can work on that.
[54:00.440 --> 54:03.440]  I figure we get a defense fund going.
[54:03.440 --> 54:05.440]  It better be a good one.
[54:05.440 --> 54:09.440]  Well, you know, Facebook works great, you know.
[54:09.440 --> 54:10.440]  Okay.
[54:10.440 --> 54:11.440]  Well, let me ask a question.
[54:11.440 --> 54:12.440]  Good.
[54:12.440 --> 54:18.440]  How do you think you're going to make this issue in the federal court if I'm understanding
[54:18.440 --> 54:25.440]  what the call screener pointed out to me here by attacking the compact?
[54:25.440 --> 54:28.440]  Say that again.
[54:28.440 --> 54:32.440]  How do you think you're going to make this an issue in the federal court by attacking
[54:32.440 --> 54:34.440]  the compact?
[54:34.440 --> 54:42.440]  Well, New York State is using that compact as a reason to deny me my license.
[54:42.440 --> 54:43.440]  Ah, no.
[54:43.440 --> 54:44.440]  Baloney.
[54:44.440 --> 54:47.440]  See, right off the bat, you're on the wrong foot.
[54:47.440 --> 54:48.440]  Okay.
[54:48.440 --> 54:55.440]  They're not denying you anything that you're not asking for.
[54:55.440 --> 54:56.440]  Okay.
[54:56.440 --> 55:00.440]  And it's something you do not have a right to.
[55:00.440 --> 55:05.440]  It's a granted privilege to have that license.
[55:05.440 --> 55:06.440]  Okay.
[55:06.440 --> 55:12.440]  So how are they denying you something that they own and have every right to give only
[55:12.440 --> 55:17.440]  to those that meet the criteria they want them to have to get it?
[55:17.440 --> 55:24.440]  Hence the whole reason I'm back to the question of why do you want this license so bad?
[55:24.440 --> 55:26.440]  Why do I want it so bad?
[55:26.440 --> 55:27.440]  I asked you first.
[55:27.440 --> 55:28.440]  Stress.
[55:28.440 --> 55:29.440]  I know.
[55:29.440 --> 55:30.440]  Dude, you know it's stress.
[55:30.440 --> 55:35.440]  Like I was listening to last week, Don, on the podcast tonight, and you say you're driving
[55:35.440 --> 55:36.440]  around.
[55:36.440 --> 55:39.440]  You know, you won't say what kind of plate you're driving around with, but you're driving
[55:39.440 --> 55:40.440]  around with it.
[55:40.440 --> 55:43.440]  That's because I don't drive around with a plate.
[55:43.440 --> 55:47.440]  I use a steering wheel.
[55:47.440 --> 55:52.440]  And I don't drive.
[55:52.440 --> 55:54.440]  Are you traveling around?
[55:54.440 --> 55:55.440]  All right.
[55:55.440 --> 55:59.440]  So I mean, you know how stressful it is, man.
[55:59.440 --> 56:02.440]  You're just, you know, you got to be perfect all the time.
[56:02.440 --> 56:03.440]  Your lights got to be perfect.
[56:03.440 --> 56:06.440]  You got to, you know, use all your, otherwise you're going to get into it.
[56:06.440 --> 56:07.440]  You know what I'm saying?
[56:07.440 --> 56:08.440]  And I've gotten lucky.
[56:08.440 --> 56:10.440]  I mean, I've gotten really lucky.
[56:10.440 --> 56:15.440]  The three guys that pulled me over, you know, really gave me a fair shake.
[56:15.440 --> 56:19.440]  And the last guy was a vet.
[56:19.440 --> 56:21.440]  That's from Iraq and New York State.
[56:21.440 --> 56:24.440]  Larger small animal vet.
[56:24.440 --> 56:25.440]  Pardon?
[56:25.440 --> 56:27.440]  Larger small animal vet.
[56:27.440 --> 56:31.440]  Sandbox vet from Iraq.
[56:31.440 --> 56:34.440]  And, you know, New York State did the same thing to him.
[56:34.440 --> 56:39.440]  They pulled his license on voluntary surrender because he didn't pay, you know,
[56:39.440 --> 56:45.440]  his license ended while he was overseas and he couldn't do anything, you know.
[56:45.440 --> 56:48.440]  And so he had to do the whole thing over again, too.
[56:48.440 --> 56:52.440]  So he, you know, he was sympathetic and understood, you know.
[56:52.440 --> 56:58.440]  But, you know, I'm just saying, you know, it's something, I don't know, it's, you know,
[56:58.440 --> 57:03.440]  this war at one point, I think I have been fighting it for almost 20 years.
[57:03.440 --> 57:04.440]  Okay.
[57:04.440 --> 57:09.440]  The problem is that you're not going to get into the federal court by attacking the compact
[57:09.440 --> 57:14.440]  or what the state did as far as it relates to the license itself.
[57:14.440 --> 57:20.440]  The only way you have standing to go to federal court is if they deprive you of a protected right
[57:20.440 --> 57:22.440]  by their actions.
[57:22.440 --> 57:28.440]  And then you have to make the case as to how their actions affected that right in a detrimental fashion.
[57:28.440 --> 57:30.440]  Okay?
[57:30.440 --> 57:38.440]  So in the Fed, first you have to be able to substantiate harm to a right.
[57:38.440 --> 57:45.440]  And it has to be a harm that the federal courts have the duty to protect.
[57:45.440 --> 57:48.440]  The pursuit of happiness?
[57:48.440 --> 57:49.440]  Okay.
[57:49.440 --> 57:50.440]  Liberty?
[57:50.440 --> 57:52.440]  Well, liberty would work.
[57:52.440 --> 58:00.440]  But the problem is, have they arrested you for exercising your liberty or for not having a license?
[58:00.440 --> 58:02.440]  No, they haven't arrested me for that yet.
[58:02.440 --> 58:05.440]  They have articulated me though, but not arrested me yet.
[58:05.440 --> 58:06.440]  Okay.
[58:06.440 --> 58:11.440]  So what it gets to here is how you have to couch the argument.
[58:11.440 --> 58:17.440]  In federal court, you have to be extremely careful to make the right argument the right way
[58:17.440 --> 58:25.440]  or the court will find a way to get rid of it because it involves a governmental entity.
[58:25.440 --> 58:29.440]  And the reason why I called you?
[58:29.440 --> 58:32.440]  Well, I'm not an expert in federal lawsuits.
[58:32.440 --> 58:37.440]  I'm going to have to be before too much longer, but I ain't there yet.
[58:37.440 --> 58:38.440]  Okay?
[58:38.440 --> 58:40.440]  I think I could hang on a little longer.
[58:40.440 --> 58:41.440]  Well, hang on, Craig.
[58:41.440 --> 58:42.440]  Let me get this break done.
[58:42.440 --> 58:47.440]  All right, folks, this is Rule of Law Radio, 512-646-1984.
[58:47.440 --> 58:50.440]  We will be right back.
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[01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:19.440]  John Bush here with your Liberty Beat for Friday, August 23, 2013.
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[01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:51.440]  And now the news.
[01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:57.440]  On Thursday, the New York City Council voted for a set of bills that would create an external watchdog organization
[01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.440]  for the New York Police Department.
[01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:03.440]  The organization would assist people in filing claims against the NYPD.
[01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:08.440]  Mayor Michael Bloomberg was a harsh critic and vetoed the measure, calling it unnecessary.
[01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:12.440]  Supporters of the measure believe the legislation is a vital check on the police department,
[01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.440]  especially after criticism of the NYPD's stop and frisk policy,
[01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:22.440]  which was recently struck down by a federal judge.
[01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.440]  Budget cuts have hit the Central Intelligence Agency,
[01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:29.440]  leading to the closing of an office that focused on declassifying historical files.
[01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:34.440]  The Historical Collections Division will close its doors as the CIA attempts to meet federal budget cuts,
[01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.440]  also known as the sequester.
[01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:41.440]  While the office that handles Freedom of Information Act requests is said to be taking over the declassification work,
[01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.440]  the chair of the CIA's historic review panel believes,
[01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:51.440]  quote, there will be fewer releases and we shouldn't fool ourselves.
[01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:55.440]  A new study published in the journal Social Cognitive and Effective Neuroscience
[01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:58.440]  suggests that the human brain is built to connect with other human beings
[01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:02.440]  strong enough that the brain experiences another's pain as if it were its own.
[01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:05.440]  Findings suggest that our brains experience empathy in a way
[01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.440]  that allows us to feel the pain of someone we are emotionally close to.
[01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:13.440]  The study also showed no neural activity and no empathy for pain experienced by strangers.
[01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.440]  Researchers used MRI brain scans and a threat of electric shock
[01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.440]  to study the neural activity in the regions of the brain responsible for threat response.
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[01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:43.440]  On Wednesday, a coalition of more than 150 U.S. farm and food businesses and organizations
[01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:47.440]  asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture to strengthen its oversight of field trials
[01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.440]  of genetically modified crops.
[01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:51.440]  The coalition, which includes the Organic Seed Alliance
[01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.440]  and the Rural Advancement Foundation International,
[01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.440]  has issued the call in response to unapproved GMO wheat from Monsanto
[01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.440]  that was discovered growing in the wild this spring.
[01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:17.440]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty. I read his book and it says he cares not for the unsightly.
[01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:31.440]  These warm arms will come by that term rightly. I won't pay for the war with my body.
[01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:38.440]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money. I won't pay for the fun with my body.
[01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:48.440]  That man's wicked and their logic shoddy. Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body.
[01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:52.440]  Ain't gonna pay for the boys with my money. Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body.
[01:03:52.440 --> 01:04:02.440]  The whole agenda smells funny. I wanna fight in a war of my own.
[01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:09.440]  That one would be less active than a troll.
[01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:15.440]  I wanna pay for the war with my money.
[01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:21.440]  They live in black houses so I can't walk alone.
[01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:33.440]  Not correct. We need to get some state precedent stuff in place that would help a great deal.
[01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:39.440]  There's plenty of federal stuff already dealing with the right to travel versus everything else.
[01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:45.440]  The problem is nobody plays the game properly when it comes to the references used
[01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:52.440]  through the seven deadly sins to make the proper case so the federal court has to rule in their favor.
[01:04:52.440 --> 01:05:01.440]  But until we get the state issue proven to have affected a protected right in a detrimental fashion,
[01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.440]  the feds won't touch it.
[01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:11.440]  So basically you're saying one of us has to get pulled over, has to get arrested,
[01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:19.440]  and has to use the script correctly and take it to the proper channels all the way up until we get president.
[01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.440]  That's correct.
[01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:26.440]  Okay. Man, you gotta stop crapping around and get Tao up, man, so we can all...
[01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:32.440]  Well, I'm working on that. The time and money and more time just as we go.
[01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:40.440]  It's the same thing for us, Eddie. You're getting mad at us because we don't know the statutes is good.
[01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:45.440]  But I mean, like me, I'm so busy with life in general. You know what I'm saying?
[01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.440]  Like I said, I've been trying to fight this thing for 20 years, okay?
[01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:56.440]  And you are like... It's amazing how God raises up people at the right time, you know?
[01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:03.440]  And the service you're doing, brother, is huge. And I pump you and push you wherever I can.
[01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:08.440]  Well, I appreciate it, but let me make one correction. I don't get mad at you guys.
[01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:16.440]  I just get kind of frustrated because as much as I appreciate that I'm appreciated,
[01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:24.440]  I am not going to always be here. I cannot always be the go-to guy for everybody everywhere.
[01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.440]  That's just not possible.
[01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:28.440]  So it's...
[01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:34.440]  You know, the load sometimes gets extremely hard to bear when your phone doesn't stop ringing.
[01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.440]  People don't quit calling you from jail. Everybody needs an answer right now
[01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:44.440]  because they didn't start six months ago to have the answer when they needed it.
[01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:47.440]  That is what frustrates me.
[01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:51.440]  At a minimum, we have to learn a script. At the minimum.
[01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:52.440]  At a very minimum.
[01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:58.440]  Right. Right. And you are the Zen Master. Don't forget that.
[01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:03.440]  Well, I appreciate that, but we'll see how well that pays off in the long run.
[01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:07.440]  That was from the Ninja. What was it? The martial arts monologue the other day.
[01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:13.440]  Ah, okay. All right. All right. What do you think I'll see, Craig?
[01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:14.440]  I'll talk to you on Facebook.
[01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:15.440]  All right. Thanks.
[01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:16.440]  Later, man.
[01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:17.440]  Bye.
[01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:23.440]  All right. Now we're going to go to George in Texas. George, what can we do for you?
[01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.440]  How are you doing, Eddie?
[01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.440]  I'm doing good.
[01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.440]  Well, I'll tell you one thing. I don't really count on you to be the go-to guy,
[01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:36.440]  but every week I listen to you on the podcast. Incrementally, I learn something new every day.
[01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:41.440]  And I'm sort of like one thing. I'm going at this from a different angle.
[01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:49.440]  I put in a Freedom of Information Act on all the cooperative agreements that the Austin PD has on blood draws and all that stuff,
[01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:56.440]  because I want to see in those cooperative agreements if the term independent contractor is in there.
[01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.440]  And if I find out what the legal term for independent contractor is,
[01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:04.440]  I'll let you know and see if we could do something creative from that angle.
[01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:05.440]  Okay.
[01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:13.440]  But what I am talking to you about is I was listening to a story last week coming out of the Houston Fox station
[01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:23.440]  about a 10-year-old girl being charged for sexual assault on a 4-year-old playing doctor in a courtyard of an apartment complex.
[01:08:23.440 --> 01:08:30.440]  Yeah, that's a very serious charge. But what is really disturbing to me, and I see this happening more and more and more,
[01:08:30.440 --> 01:08:40.440]  and when minors are being questioned, the police officers are forbidding the parents to be present while they're being questioned.
[01:08:40.440 --> 01:08:42.440]  What's the age?
[01:08:42.440 --> 01:08:45.440]  Ten years old.
[01:08:45.440 --> 01:08:59.440]  Technically, that normally is the requirement for any minor, but what constitutes a minor, they tend to set by law rather than common sense.
[01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:00.440]  Okay.
[01:09:00.440 --> 01:09:06.440]  Well, it's this 10-year-old girl by then being coerced by these detectives.
[01:09:06.440 --> 01:09:11.440]  She spent like four or five days in a juvenile detention facility.
[01:09:11.440 --> 01:09:14.440]  And the thing is, if I were a parent, they wanted to separate me from my parents.
[01:09:14.440 --> 01:09:20.440]  Okay. How did she wind up in the detention facility?
[01:09:20.440 --> 01:09:23.440]  By her own words and interrogation.
[01:09:23.440 --> 01:09:28.440]  Okay. Was she provided with legal counsel if the parents were not there?
[01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:29.440]  No.
[01:09:29.440 --> 01:09:36.440]  Now they've got a problem. Did the parents attempt to get legal counsel?
[01:09:36.440 --> 01:09:42.440]  I don't know. Mom's being kind of like very ignorant, and she's applying the help of a quinoa.
[01:09:42.440 --> 01:09:45.440]  Oh, the kid got herself put in juvie by herself.
[01:09:45.440 --> 01:09:47.440]  Yeah, somebody's ignorant here.
[01:09:47.440 --> 01:09:50.440]  I won't say who, because I don't know anybody.
[01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:53.440]  But the point is, how did you get there?
[01:09:53.440 --> 01:10:01.440]  But if the parents didn't even bother to get legal counsel because she was there, something's already awry here.
[01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:07.440]  Well, as a parent, I got a son 13 years old, and I got another son 9 years old.
[01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:12.440]  So you have the right as a parent to tell the investigating officer, we will not be talking.
[01:10:12.440 --> 01:10:15.440]  We're going to seek legal counsel.
[01:10:15.440 --> 01:10:19.440]  Of course you do. You're the guardian.
[01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:21.440]  And the police offered if there was anything one they could save.
[01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:23.440]  And another thing, too. I haven't heard like a...
[01:10:23.440 --> 01:10:26.440]  Okay. Here's the way it works.
[01:10:26.440 --> 01:10:29.440]  The cops can talk to anybody they want to.
[01:10:29.440 --> 01:10:34.440]  Whether or not that person is required to talk back depends upon several things.
[01:10:34.440 --> 01:10:40.440]  But if the cop is going to detain you and actually question you,
[01:10:40.440 --> 01:10:47.440]  then you need to establish what the status you're being detained in is.
[01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:52.440]  Am I being questioned for anything that could incriminate me or blah, blah, blah?
[01:10:52.440 --> 01:10:55.440]  Now that is how an adult is handled.
[01:10:55.440 --> 01:11:03.440]  A minor is handled differently because they do not have the life experience and knowledge to deal with that.
[01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:09.440]  They must have an older, wiser person acting on their behalf,
[01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:14.440]  which will either be legal counsel or their legal guardian.
[01:11:14.440 --> 01:11:16.440]  Okay?
[01:11:16.440 --> 01:11:27.440]  The guardian can do the same thing on behalf of the child that the guardian could do for themselves in the same situation.
[01:11:27.440 --> 01:11:36.440]  That means don't let the officer intimidate me saying if you don't let us talk or you're going to be charged with obstruction of justice or something like that.
[01:11:36.440 --> 01:11:37.440]  That's correct.
[01:11:37.440 --> 01:11:43.440]  All you have to say is as the legal guardian for this minor, okay,
[01:11:43.440 --> 01:11:53.440]  I hereby demand that you either release them or you cease and desist until such time as legal counsel has been provided or obtained.
[01:11:53.440 --> 01:12:02.440]  If you refuse to do that, then I need to speak with your captain right now.
[01:12:02.440 --> 01:12:03.440]  Ah, now I see.
[01:12:03.440 --> 01:12:14.440]  And that means because I haven't heard like some people pulled over in these checkpoints that they'll get the whole family out of the car and they'll separate the kids and start asking questions.
[01:12:14.440 --> 01:12:18.440]  What about like in a situation like that?
[01:12:18.440 --> 01:12:21.440]  Say that one more time.
[01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:24.440]  I want to make sure I understand this, so please say that again.
[01:12:24.440 --> 01:12:27.440]  Well, let's say I'm going through Austin or Houston or Dallas.
[01:12:27.440 --> 01:12:31.440]  I'm going up to a driver's license checkpoint.
[01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:37.440]  And, you know, the police officer pulls me over to his side and tells the whole family to get out of the car.
[01:12:37.440 --> 01:12:38.440]  They haven't searched my car.
[01:12:38.440 --> 01:12:39.440]  They haven't done anything yet.
[01:12:39.440 --> 01:12:47.440]  But the police officer says they take my two kids, my significant other, and they separate us and they start asking questions.
[01:12:47.440 --> 01:12:52.440]  Okay. Well, my question is why did you get out of the car?
[01:12:52.440 --> 01:12:55.440]  Am I obligated to get out of the car if they tell me?
[01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:59.440]  Absolutely not.
[01:12:59.440 --> 01:13:08.440]  Officer, do you have some sort of reasonable suspicion to be accosting me or some sort of probable cause with which to detain me for an actual crime?
[01:13:08.440 --> 01:13:12.440]  If not, then I wish to be on my way.
[01:13:12.440 --> 01:13:14.440]  What's hard about that?
[01:13:14.440 --> 01:13:18.440]  Oh, that saves a whole lot of time right there by just doing that.
[01:13:18.440 --> 01:13:19.440]  Yeah.
[01:13:19.440 --> 01:13:31.440]  But one thing I do tell my kids is, Mike, if you're being asked to be questioned by a social worker or a police officer, you just say I will not answer any questions.
[01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:32.440]  Wait a minute.
[01:13:32.440 --> 01:13:36.440]  Do you not have the transportation script?
[01:13:36.440 --> 01:13:39.440]  No, not on hand, on my computer.
[01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:46.440]  Okay. That script applies in any such situation.
[01:13:46.440 --> 01:13:53.440]  If you're walking, you don't have to say I'm not engaged in transportation, but everything else still applies.
[01:13:53.440 --> 01:14:04.440]  If you're talking to them in the hallway, you don't have to say I'm not in transportation, but everything else still applies.
[01:14:04.440 --> 01:14:09.440]  But even if my kids talk to a social worker from the CPS, I just tell them don't talk to them.
[01:14:09.440 --> 01:14:18.440]  You're never obligated to talk to a public servant unless you're trying to get information out of them that requires you to open your mouth.
[01:14:18.440 --> 01:14:23.440]  But you're not required to give them anything unless it's related to something you're asking for.
[01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:33.440]  Well, that's good because, like I said, I train my kids about to talk to the police or anybody because we already got a family attorney.
[01:14:33.440 --> 01:14:36.440]  And I already have a card on both of my kids.
[01:14:36.440 --> 01:14:39.440]  And all I say is just say just hand them the card.
[01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:40.440]  I say here's the attorney.
[01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:41.440]  Go talk to them.
[01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:46.440]  That's all I can do, train them to do because I just tell them silence is golden.
[01:14:46.440 --> 01:14:52.440]  You know, the burden of proof lies with the state to prove they have probable cause.
[01:14:52.440 --> 01:14:55.440]  The burden of proof doesn't lie with them to prove they're innocent.
[01:14:55.440 --> 01:14:57.440]  That's all I tell them.
[01:14:57.440 --> 01:15:03.440]  Yeah. Well, again, you're not under obligation to talk to them at all.
[01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:09.440]  And they certainly cannot force you to allow a minor unsupervised to talk to them.
[01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:15.440]  If they question the minor, they still have to do it in the presence of you or legal counsel.
[01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:21.440]  Well, in this case, if you go to my Fox Houston 10-year-old charged with rape, like I said, you'll see the moms in there go,
[01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:24.440]  they wouldn't let me in there to sit with her being interrogated.
[01:15:24.440 --> 01:15:25.440]  That's what the moms did.
[01:15:25.440 --> 01:15:30.440]  But you know what, if that was the case, I would have told the girl, come on, we're going.
[01:15:30.440 --> 01:15:32.440]  No, we ain't talking.
[01:15:32.440 --> 01:15:36.440]  Well, that should have been what happened.
[01:15:36.440 --> 01:15:42.440]  Now, if they threatened the mother and that child was not under arrest
[01:15:42.440 --> 01:15:48.440]  and they threatened the mother saying that they would do something to her if the child was not allowed to be questioned,
[01:15:48.440 --> 01:15:51.440]  they can have anything said by that child thrown out.
[01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:54.440]  That is inadmissible evidence and inadmissible testimony.
[01:15:54.440 --> 01:16:00.440]  Nothing that that child says or signed could be used.
[01:16:00.440 --> 01:16:05.440]  And even being in prison in juvenile facility could be a false imprisonment.
[01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:09.440]  Yeah, if you sue and win.
[01:16:09.440 --> 01:16:10.440]  Yeah.
[01:16:10.440 --> 01:16:15.440]  If they had no legal basis on which to hold, yeah, that's a problem.
[01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:16.440]  Yes.
[01:16:16.440 --> 01:16:18.440]  Well, Eddie, I'll let you get on to other callers.
[01:16:18.440 --> 01:16:19.440]  I know they're stacking up, okay?
[01:16:19.440 --> 01:16:20.440]  All right.
[01:16:20.440 --> 01:16:21.440]  Thanks, Colin.
[01:16:21.440 --> 01:16:24.440]  All right.
[01:16:24.440 --> 01:16:27.440]  All right, now we're going to go to Nick in North Carolina.
[01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:30.440]  Nick, I got just a few seconds before I'm going to have to take the break.
[01:16:30.440 --> 01:16:33.440]  So if you'll hang on, I'll pick you up on the other side.
[01:16:33.440 --> 01:16:36.440]  All right, folks, this is Rule of Law Radio.
[01:16:36.440 --> 01:16:39.440]  Call in number 512-646-1984.
[01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:41.440]  I got about 45 minutes left.
[01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:44.440]  I got plenty of time if you all want to get in line.
[01:16:44.440 --> 01:16:45.440]  You guys hang on the board.
[01:16:45.440 --> 01:17:00.440]  I will be right back on the other side.
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[01:19:36.440 --> 01:19:38.440]  This is Rule of Law Radio.
[01:19:38.440 --> 01:19:41.440]  All right, we're going to go to Nick in North Carolina.
[01:19:41.440 --> 01:19:46.440]  Nick, what can we do for you?
[01:19:46.440 --> 01:19:51.440]  Hello, Nick.
[01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:53.440]  Hey, Eddie, can you hear me now?
[01:19:53.440 --> 01:19:55.440]  Yes.
[01:19:55.440 --> 01:19:59.440]  I hope you guys are doing okay down there.
[01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:04.440]  I went to court there the other day on that transportation violation.
[01:20:04.440 --> 01:20:08.440]  I thought it was a transportation violation in a truck.
[01:20:08.440 --> 01:20:13.440]  And I got advice from you on how to handle it, and I'm ready to go.
[01:20:13.440 --> 01:20:19.440]  So I get in there, and there's a DA, and she's just lining everybody up and moving them through.
[01:20:19.440 --> 01:20:23.440]  She asked me what I want to do, and I said, well, I'm here to contest this.
[01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:28.440]  She said, I'm going to give you a date when the cop can be here.
[01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:31.440]  And I said, well, miss, you called me to court to reschedule me?
[01:20:31.440 --> 01:20:35.440]  And she said, yes, this is administrative court.
[01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:37.440]  And they shuffled me on through.
[01:20:37.440 --> 01:20:44.440]  So the question is, I'm going to need a bargainer for that.
[01:20:44.440 --> 01:20:46.440]  Well, hold on.
[01:20:46.440 --> 01:20:54.440]  First off, what are the proper procedures in North Carolina for these types of offenses and cases?
[01:20:54.440 --> 01:21:00.440]  And what is the nature of the offense?
[01:21:00.440 --> 01:21:05.440]  I couldn't get to nature because I would have to see a magistrate to ask him what the nature is.
[01:21:05.440 --> 01:21:06.440]  Of course, it's a misdemeanor.
[01:21:06.440 --> 01:21:09.440]  They're trying to treat it as an infraction.
[01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:12.440]  Infractions are not crimes.
[01:21:12.440 --> 01:21:13.440]  They are not crimes.
[01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:15.440]  That's true.
[01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:20.440]  So that would mean the whole case is administrative.
[01:21:20.440 --> 01:21:23.440]  And it would, yeah, so they're treating it as an infraction.
[01:21:23.440 --> 01:21:31.440]  So take the State Administrative Procedure Act, find out whether or not this court has original jurisdiction under the State Administrative Procedures Act.
[01:21:31.440 --> 01:21:38.440]  And if it does not, which I'm willing to bet it won't, make them dismiss it.
[01:21:38.440 --> 01:21:40.440]  Understood.
[01:21:40.440 --> 01:21:45.440]  But I was prepared for a district court, you know, with a magistrate like I'm used to.
[01:21:45.440 --> 01:21:50.440]  But there was no magistrate anywhere, just that assistant DA.
[01:21:50.440 --> 01:21:54.440]  Yeah, if this is actually an infraction, it's not a crime.
[01:21:54.440 --> 01:21:57.440]  So what's the DA even doing involved in it?
[01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:01.440]  Because the DA is almost always criminal only.
[01:22:01.440 --> 01:22:05.440]  What they're accusing me of, Eddie, is a misdemeanor.
[01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:07.440]  Well, no, no, wait a minute.
[01:22:07.440 --> 01:22:15.440]  Okay, misdemeanors, again, don't necessarily mean criminal.
[01:22:15.440 --> 01:22:16.440]  No.
[01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:18.440]  Okay.
[01:22:18.440 --> 01:22:19.440]  Right.
[01:22:19.440 --> 01:22:23.440]  But the point is, is how is it written into the statute?
[01:22:23.440 --> 01:22:30.440]  Is it written as an offense or is it written as an infraction?
[01:22:30.440 --> 01:22:31.440]  Offense.
[01:22:31.440 --> 01:22:32.440]  Okay.
[01:22:32.440 --> 01:22:37.440]  Now, how was it written on the citation?
[01:22:37.440 --> 01:22:43.440]  Does it say violation or does it say offense or does it say infraction?
[01:22:43.440 --> 01:22:45.440]  I'll have to check that.
[01:22:45.440 --> 01:22:47.440]  That's a good point.
[01:22:47.440 --> 01:22:48.440]  That's a good point.
[01:22:48.440 --> 01:22:49.440]  Okay.
[01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:50.440]  Okay.
[01:22:50.440 --> 01:22:51.440]  Yes.
[01:22:51.440 --> 01:22:52.440]  Yeah, I appreciate that.
[01:22:52.440 --> 01:22:53.440]  All right.
[01:22:53.440 --> 01:22:54.440]  Those administrative procedures.
[01:22:54.440 --> 01:23:02.440]  One other question, if it goes this far and they don't dismiss, down to the wording of
[01:23:02.440 --> 01:23:08.440]  the statute, it cites Title 49 and part of Title 49.
[01:23:08.440 --> 01:23:11.440]  If you look it up, it's not there anymore.
[01:23:11.440 --> 01:23:15.440]  It's been amended and moved over to Title 23.
[01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:19.440]  So North Carolina statute is citing part of Title 49, which has been amended.
[01:23:19.440 --> 01:23:20.440]  Who wrote you the ticket?
[01:23:20.440 --> 01:23:23.440]  I guess the deputy.
[01:23:23.440 --> 01:23:25.440]  A sheriff's deputy?
[01:23:25.440 --> 01:23:26.440]  Yep.
[01:23:26.440 --> 01:23:27.440]  County officer?
[01:23:27.440 --> 01:23:28.440]  County.
[01:23:28.440 --> 01:23:29.440]  Okay.
[01:23:29.440 --> 01:23:34.440]  And you do realize Rod Klass is having a lot of fun up there right now getting all those
[01:23:34.440 --> 01:23:37.440]  law enforcement agencies to be declared private, right?
[01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:41.440]  I've been studying that ruling from the administrative judge.
[01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:42.440]  Yeah.
[01:23:42.440 --> 01:23:44.440]  And I'm trying to figure out how to make it work for me.
[01:23:44.440 --> 01:23:45.440]  Okay.
[01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:53.440]  Well, the thing about it is who is responsible for enforcement in your state's code?
[01:23:53.440 --> 01:23:58.440]  For instance, in Texas, department has one of two definitions, either the Department
[01:23:58.440 --> 01:24:05.440]  of Public Safety, if the chapter deals with enforcement, okay, or a specific area of public
[01:24:05.440 --> 01:24:12.440]  safety, like the insurance deals, and the other is Department of Transportation.
[01:24:12.440 --> 01:24:19.440]  Now, he's already gotten the ruling that the troopers are private.
[01:24:19.440 --> 01:24:26.440]  And if they are the department mentioned in your motor vehicle or transportation code
[01:24:26.440 --> 01:24:30.440]  responsible for the enforcement, guess what?
[01:24:30.440 --> 01:24:31.440]  Yeah.
[01:24:31.440 --> 01:24:32.440]  I see.
[01:24:32.440 --> 01:24:33.440]  I see.
[01:24:33.440 --> 01:24:34.440]  Okay, Eddie.
[01:24:34.440 --> 01:24:35.440]  All right.
[01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:36.440]  I appreciate that.
[01:24:36.440 --> 01:24:38.440]  So that's a way to take it.
[01:24:38.440 --> 01:24:39.440]  All right.
[01:24:39.440 --> 01:24:40.440]  Thank you.
[01:24:40.440 --> 01:24:42.440]  Thanks for calling in, Nick.
[01:24:42.440 --> 01:24:43.440]  Understood.
[01:24:43.440 --> 01:24:44.440]  Thank you, Eddie.
[01:24:44.440 --> 01:24:45.440]  You're welcome.
[01:24:45.440 --> 01:24:46.440]  All right.
[01:24:46.440 --> 01:24:49.440]  Now, let's go to Jimmy in Maryland.
[01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:51.440]  Jimmy, what can we do for you?
[01:24:51.440 --> 01:24:52.440]  Yes.
[01:24:52.440 --> 01:24:53.440]  Hi, Eddie.
[01:24:53.440 --> 01:24:54.440]  How are you doing?
[01:24:54.440 --> 01:24:55.440]  I'm doing all right.
[01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:56.440]  Good.
[01:24:56.440 --> 01:24:57.440]  Good.
[01:24:57.440 --> 01:25:00.440]  I got a couple of issues here in Maryland.
[01:25:00.440 --> 01:25:05.440]  I was, you know, pulled over, fire tags.
[01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:11.440]  He also ran, you know, when I checked my name and date of birth because I don't have a driver's license.
[01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:15.440]  And it came up that I was driving on a suspended license.
[01:25:15.440 --> 01:25:18.440]  Now, what I found out, I went to court to fight it.
[01:25:18.440 --> 01:25:24.440]  In Maryland, they use a sound deck system in lieu of a driver's license.
[01:25:24.440 --> 01:25:29.440]  So if they can't find you a system, they'll make you somehow create a number using your name and date of birth.
[01:25:29.440 --> 01:25:30.440]  All right.
[01:25:30.440 --> 01:25:31.440]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:32.440]  Now, wait.
[01:25:32.440 --> 01:25:39.440]  This, okay, start from the top on that piece right there and tell me that again.
[01:25:39.440 --> 01:25:47.440]  Here in the state of Maryland, I don't know about the other states, but they use a sound deck system here that they would somehow create this number for citation purposes.
[01:25:47.440 --> 01:25:49.440]  And they use your name and date of birth.
[01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:52.440]  That's what they used to create it with to identify you through.
[01:25:52.440 --> 01:25:53.440]  Okay.
[01:25:53.440 --> 01:25:56.440]  If they can't find you in their system.
[01:25:56.440 --> 01:25:57.440]  All right.
[01:25:57.440 --> 01:26:04.440]  I surrendered my driver's license back in 1998, so I've been out of the system for many years.
[01:26:04.440 --> 01:26:05.440]  Okay.
[01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:06.440]  Okay.
[01:26:06.440 --> 01:26:10.440]  So I went to court, you know, to fight it, and I explained to the judge that it's not me.
[01:26:10.440 --> 01:26:17.440]  And the judge said, but you were the one that decided, but it was you the one that decided, no, Your Honor, it was not me.
[01:26:17.440 --> 01:26:22.440]  It's just amazing how I fought this, but I'm not in first activity.
[01:26:22.440 --> 01:26:27.440]  I'm not doing anything in the public interest and how the judges just ignored all that.
[01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:31.440]  I'm an attorney in the Court of Special Appeals right now.
[01:26:31.440 --> 01:26:37.440]  And I was going to ask you about a transcript fee.
[01:26:37.440 --> 01:26:44.440]  I'm required to pay $700 for a transcript, you know, to fill it.
[01:26:44.440 --> 01:26:48.440]  You know any way that you can have transcript fees wavered?
[01:26:48.440 --> 01:26:54.440]  Yeah, you have to get informal popper status.
[01:26:54.440 --> 01:26:55.440]  Okay.
[01:26:55.440 --> 01:27:01.440]  Because they said in the statute in there, our law that says that the second court or the court of special
[01:27:01.440 --> 01:27:05.440]  doesn't have authority to waive transcript fees.
[01:27:05.440 --> 01:27:06.440]  Yeah, they do.
[01:27:06.440 --> 01:27:10.440]  But you have to petition them with a good reason why.
[01:27:10.440 --> 01:27:11.440]  Okay.
[01:27:11.440 --> 01:27:21.440]  And normally the reason they want to see more than any other is you can't afford it because of the financial hardship that would result.
[01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:31.440]  And you can't get due process without the appeal because you have appealable error or some reason the next court up has to hear it.
[01:27:31.440 --> 01:27:37.440]  Okay.
[01:27:37.440 --> 01:27:44.440]  Yeah, now most states, they don't require you to be dead broken destitute.
[01:27:44.440 --> 01:27:47.440]  Most states require that.
[01:27:47.440 --> 01:28:00.440]  It simply will put an undue financial burden on you and your dependents to have to pay that amount of money to get what you have to have to pursue justice.
[01:28:00.440 --> 01:28:04.440]  Okay.
[01:28:04.440 --> 01:28:13.440]  But while you're reading up on how to do informal poppers up there in Maryland, you might want to look for that as well.
[01:28:13.440 --> 01:28:19.440]  Now, I do have a friend up in Maryland that may know a lot more about this.
[01:28:19.440 --> 01:28:30.440]  I can ask him if you'll send me an email to Eddie, E-D-D-I-E, at ruleoflawradio.com and just let me know that you're up in Maryland and put your contact information in it.
[01:28:30.440 --> 01:28:37.440]  I will ask him if he would be willing to talk with you if there's anything he thinks he can help you with.
[01:28:37.440 --> 01:28:49.440]  If you don't get a response from him and he says he can't, I'll write back to you and say, well, he says he doesn't have the time or the knowledge he needs to help and sorry, but you're going to figure it out.
[01:28:49.440 --> 01:28:50.440]  Okay.
[01:28:50.440 --> 01:28:51.440]  Appreciate that.
[01:28:51.440 --> 01:28:52.440]  Okay.
[01:28:52.440 --> 01:28:54.440]  Let me ask you this.
[01:28:54.440 --> 01:29:00.440]  Right now, the judge ruled that I'm supposed to be on probation.
[01:29:00.440 --> 01:29:07.440]  I was found guilty of driving a suspended license and expired tag in spite of all my arguments.
[01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:16.440]  This judge, Eddie said, well, sometimes people ride in the roads privately.
[01:29:16.440 --> 01:29:18.440]  Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
[01:29:18.440 --> 01:29:20.440]  You ride privately or commercially.
[01:29:20.440 --> 01:29:28.440]  He basically came out and said that it really didn't matter, that the court accepted that I was on the road privately, not involved in commercial activity.
[01:29:28.440 --> 01:29:38.440]  That's because the court is operating under the presumption that that statute applies across the board, whether it's commercial or not, and that's simply not going to be true.
[01:29:38.440 --> 01:29:39.440]  Okay.
[01:29:39.440 --> 01:29:40.440]  Okay.
[01:29:40.440 --> 01:29:42.440]  That's how they're operating.
[01:29:42.440 --> 01:29:48.440]  Some of them will know that's a lie and others just won't care because they trust that you don't know it's a lie.
[01:29:48.440 --> 01:29:49.440]  Okay.
[01:29:49.440 --> 01:29:50.440]  Okay.
[01:29:50.440 --> 01:29:51.440]  Hang on, Jimmy.
[01:29:51.440 --> 01:29:52.440]  I got to go here.
[01:29:52.440 --> 01:29:53.440]  All right.
[01:29:53.440 --> 01:30:00.440]  We'll be right back, folks, so y'all hang on.
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[01:33:01.440 --> 01:33:12.440]  You're listening to the Logos Radio Network at LogosRadioNetwork.com.
[01:33:12.440 --> 01:33:27.440]  All right, folks, we are back.
[01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:29.440]  This is Rule of Law Radio.
[01:33:29.440 --> 01:33:37.440]  Okay, for those of you that don't know, I did do a seminar that dealt with how to handle a lot of these cases, especially if you're in Texas.
[01:33:37.440 --> 01:33:44.440]  And the thing you need to understand is that most states start with the same basic template for their statutes.
[01:33:44.440 --> 01:33:49.440]  They're standardized pretty much across how they're written, the terminology they use.
[01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:56.440]  They just may construct the sentence in the statute slightly different from state to state.
[01:33:56.440 --> 01:34:06.440]  But when it all gets boiled down to the hog fat here, you realize that it's still the same subject.
[01:34:06.440 --> 01:34:09.440]  It's all about commercial use of the roads.
[01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:18.440]  That being said, a lot of the paperwork that you're going to need to use in courts to make those arguments, I've already written.
[01:34:18.440 --> 01:34:25.440]  There's more than 400 documents in the seminar just in the part on going to court.
[01:34:25.440 --> 01:34:40.440]  I mean, we've got documents for virtually everything or some form of everything that you can adapt and rewrite as far as specific state references to statutes and things rather simply.
[01:34:40.440 --> 01:34:44.440]  Now, you can order the seminar off the Rule of Law Radio website.
[01:34:44.440 --> 01:34:46.440]  You can send me an email.
[01:34:46.440 --> 01:34:49.440]  I can tell you how to do that if necessary, so on and so forth.
[01:34:49.440 --> 01:35:01.440]  But, folks, if you're going to learn how to do this and do it right, you need to learn, one, how to write a legal document because you're going to do everything in writing to make sure you have a record of everything.
[01:35:01.440 --> 01:35:06.440]  You're going to need to know how to make the legal argument necessary to the defense.
[01:35:06.440 --> 01:35:18.440]  And you're going to need to learn the specific statutes that govern procedures or the merits of the case depending upon your situation that you're going to have to use in your defense.
[01:35:18.440 --> 01:35:21.440]  You're going to need to do some study on the rules of evidence.
[01:35:21.440 --> 01:35:26.440]  You're going to need to know what your protected rights are in a court of law and so on and so on and so on.
[01:35:26.440 --> 01:35:36.440]  There is so much material in the transportation stuff that it takes 64 gigs to hold it all.
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[01:35:48.440 --> 01:35:52.440]  The original seminar videos from 2009 are included in it.
[01:35:52.440 --> 01:36:03.440]  The court documents, the book I wrote for the seminar that teaches you how to read and understand statutory construction and law and their version of the regulation it represents and so on and so on and so on.
[01:36:03.440 --> 01:36:08.440]  If you want to know more about that and what's in it, go look at it on the website.
[01:36:08.440 --> 01:36:19.440]  And if you think that you need it, before you get to the point of actually needing it, it would be a good idea to get your hands on it and start studying.
[01:36:19.440 --> 01:36:26.440]  Okay? It's impossible for me to sit down alone and become an expert in every state.
[01:36:26.440 --> 01:36:35.440]  So those people that will learn this material and adapt it to their state will become me for their state over time.
[01:36:35.440 --> 01:36:40.440]  It just takes time and effort. Anyone can do what I do.
[01:36:40.440 --> 01:36:45.440]  Okay? The thinking part, that's up to you.
[01:36:45.440 --> 01:36:50.440]  But you can do what I do.
[01:36:50.440 --> 01:36:56.440]  Have a little faith in yourself and better than that, have the drive.
[01:36:56.440 --> 01:36:59.440]  Stop letting everybody else run your life for you.
[01:36:59.440 --> 01:37:02.440]  You can only do that by being educated on what you need to know.
[01:37:02.440 --> 01:37:03.440]  All right.
[01:37:03.440 --> 01:37:05.440]  Now we're going to finish up with Jimmy in Maryland.
[01:37:05.440 --> 01:37:06.440]  Jimmy?
[01:37:06.440 --> 01:37:07.440]  Okay.
[01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:08.440]  All right.
[01:37:08.440 --> 01:37:09.440]  Yeah.
[01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:15.440]  Getting back to that formal purpose pleading, that would be filing that in the circuit court, right?
[01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:23.440]  You'll be filing it in whatever court you have to perfect your appeal in because that's where you'll have to purchase the transcripts and everything else.
[01:37:23.440 --> 01:37:24.440]  Right.
[01:37:24.440 --> 01:37:30.440]  Unless the procedural statutes in Maryland specifically tell you to put it somewhere else.
[01:37:30.440 --> 01:37:31.440]  Okay.
[01:37:31.440 --> 01:37:42.440]  Because some states you have to file and pay the appeal bond to the court you're taking the appeal to versus the one you had your trial in.
[01:37:42.440 --> 01:37:46.440]  So you've got to find out how it applies where you're at.
[01:37:46.440 --> 01:37:47.440]  Okay.
[01:37:47.440 --> 01:37:49.440]  I'm going to do that, man.
[01:37:49.440 --> 01:37:50.440]  Yeah.
[01:37:50.440 --> 01:38:00.440]  Like I was telling you, I had one reason why I had to transcript this stuff so much because, you know, I filed all these judicial notices, the demurred judicial notices, went over all of it.
[01:38:00.440 --> 01:38:02.440]  And she just was, you know, limiting my defense, my test.
[01:38:02.440 --> 01:38:04.440]  I put a lot of things on the record, things she was saying.
[01:38:04.440 --> 01:38:09.440]  I went to record collections like that, you know, things that they just were doing, showed no contract, you know.
[01:38:09.440 --> 01:38:14.440]  I mean, you know, by being an artist, that's the stuff I knew from what I knew.
[01:38:14.440 --> 01:38:24.440]  After I was, you know, tried and, you know, was found guilty of probation, I went, you know, you know, I went to leave the courthouse.
[01:38:24.440 --> 01:38:27.440]  He also was lay waiting for me.
[01:38:27.440 --> 01:38:31.440]  I moved the car in the parking lot, but I didn't leave the parking lot.
[01:38:31.440 --> 01:38:33.440]  He waited like about 15 minutes.
[01:38:33.440 --> 01:38:34.440]  What kind of parking lot?
[01:38:34.440 --> 01:38:36.440]  The court's parking lot.
[01:38:36.440 --> 01:38:39.440]  Okay. That's why you're on public property.
[01:38:39.440 --> 01:38:49.440]  The courts in most states have decided that a parking lot is nothing more than extension of the highway if it's accessible by the public.
[01:38:49.440 --> 01:38:52.440]  Therefore, the same rules apply.
[01:38:52.440 --> 01:38:53.440]  Okay.
[01:38:53.440 --> 01:39:01.440]  That's why I tell people to use private property, not public property, if they're going to pull over or something like that.
[01:39:01.440 --> 01:39:13.440]  If he had pulled into Wal-Mart or something like that on private property, that argument's a lot harder to make and make stick in a common sense area.
[01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:14.440]  Okay.
[01:39:14.440 --> 01:39:15.440]  Okay.
[01:39:15.440 --> 01:39:22.440]  Because by that token, they could come onto your property and do it because you have a driveway that makes your property accessible to the public.
[01:39:22.440 --> 01:39:24.440]  Uh-huh.
[01:39:24.440 --> 01:39:27.440]  I got you. I got you on that.
[01:39:27.440 --> 01:39:36.440]  Okay. So, you know, I was, you know, cross-sited and incarcerated, the car impounded, for driving on suspended license.
[01:39:36.440 --> 01:39:42.440]  And I got a hearing to go through pretty soon to show cause why I didn't violate probation.
[01:39:42.440 --> 01:39:54.440]  And I filed a motion for state in the outcome of the appeal, and I also filed a removal in the federal court, which was recently denied
[01:39:54.440 --> 01:40:02.440]  because they said the defendant has to be an officer of the United States.
[01:40:02.440 --> 01:40:03.440]  Okay.
[01:40:03.440 --> 01:40:04.440]  Okay.
[01:40:04.440 --> 01:40:10.440]  Then that's an affirmative defense to it, but that's an affirmative defense to jurisdiction.
[01:40:10.440 --> 01:40:13.440]  They don't have it.
[01:40:13.440 --> 01:40:19.440]  If the proper officer isn't there, then this person, under what authority are they acting?
[01:40:19.440 --> 01:40:31.440]  Okay. Well, I did it on a federal question about, you know, the violation of the Federal Highway Characterization Act and that my civil rights was violated.
[01:40:31.440 --> 01:40:35.440]  And what did they do with that?
[01:40:35.440 --> 01:40:46.440]  Well, they basically did some of their procedures that the defendant has to be an officer of the United States in order for the removal to be successful.
[01:40:46.440 --> 01:40:52.440]  So it was basically declined and, you know, remanded back to the state court.
[01:40:52.440 --> 01:41:00.440]  Well, again, that's not necessarily true if the state court is acting to deprive you of a federally protected right.
[01:41:00.440 --> 01:41:08.440]  And there is no remedy in the state for that loss of protection or lack thereof.
[01:41:08.440 --> 01:41:17.440]  Okay. So I want to figure out how can I work around and do like a motion for eviction to have it moved back to the federal court?
[01:41:17.440 --> 01:41:21.440]  Well, again, you've already gone through trial at this level.
[01:41:21.440 --> 01:41:30.440]  The only thing you can go to at this point is to either have the case remanded back, i.e., through the appeal.
[01:41:30.440 --> 01:41:39.440]  You can get an order to vacate if you can show that there's grounds to vacate the ruling and the determination of the court.
[01:41:39.440 --> 01:41:42.440]  There's no ruling. Maybe I'm not being clear.
[01:41:42.440 --> 01:42:04.440]  When the officer lay wait for me the day that I had my trial, after I had the trial, I think he was upset because I had my witness stand basically asking all kinds of questions.
[01:42:04.440 --> 01:42:12.440]  And, you know, approximately the judge sustained the objection and just basically let them do what they wanted to do. So I just did my best from what I knew.
[01:42:12.440 --> 01:42:15.440]  Yeah. And that's the way it typically works.
[01:42:15.440 --> 01:42:22.440]  Yeah. Okay. But after I left the courthouse, he was waiting for me to leave the courtroom to cite me again.
[01:42:22.440 --> 01:42:27.440]  And then that's when he incarcerated me. So I had two separate encounters with him.
[01:42:27.440 --> 01:42:32.440]  The second encounter after court is one that I did the removal for when I was incarcerated.
[01:42:32.440 --> 01:42:41.440]  Yeah. Well, again, in their mind, you going out and getting in that car was still a violation of what they're asserting is the law.
[01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:49.440]  So the fact that he saw you do that and took action, that's not going to be the problem for them. That's valid.
[01:42:49.440 --> 01:43:01.440]  Okay. What becomes the issue is were you engaged in a regulable activity that granted him the authority to use that regulation to do what he did?
[01:43:01.440 --> 01:43:12.440]  That's where it comes down to it. That's why you can't use it at the trial because this is a rights issue that was violated.
[01:43:12.440 --> 01:43:20.440]  Your right to liberty misapplication of the statute to deprive you of that liberty at the state level, thus making it a federal issue.
[01:43:20.440 --> 01:43:27.440]  But that's a civil lawsuit. It's a separate case. Okay.
[01:43:27.440 --> 01:43:32.440]  Yeah. That's where I was trying to behave with removal. I'm actually in that state.
[01:43:32.440 --> 01:43:37.440]  Right. You're not going to get it removed unless the other criteria I specified is fulfilled.
[01:43:37.440 --> 01:43:42.440]  It has to be a deprivation of rights for which there is no remedy at the state level.
[01:43:42.440 --> 01:43:48.440]  And the right has to be one that the feds are required to protect. Okay.
[01:43:48.440 --> 01:43:53.440]  All right. Jimmy, thanks for calling in, man. I got these other callers, which I got to get to on the other side.
[01:43:53.440 --> 01:44:00.440]  Guys, y'all hang in there. I will be right back to finish this up.
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[01:46:34.440 --> 01:46:37.440]  Ben in Texas, what can we do for you?
[01:46:37.440 --> 01:46:38.440]  Evening, Eddie.
[01:46:38.440 --> 01:46:39.440]  How do you read me?
[01:46:39.440 --> 01:46:43.440]  Well, pretty good so far, and you sound just fine.
[01:46:43.440 --> 01:46:44.440]  Great.
[01:46:44.440 --> 01:46:53.440]  My local municipality has decided to step up my pace of my legal education, and I had a couple questions for you.
[01:46:53.440 --> 01:47:02.440]  I had a first traffic stop the other day while trying to implement the script, and I didn't do so well, and there was a couple of reasons.
[01:47:02.440 --> 01:47:13.440]  Number one is I am a CHL holder, and I did have a weapon in the car, and for better or worse, I thought it was a good idea to get out.
[01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:22.440]  And I did lock the door behind me, but I left my wallet in my pocket, and as I tried to get through the script, the officer decided that he was getting scared,
[01:47:22.440 --> 01:47:36.440]  and he put my hands in my pocket and put my hands behind my back and proceeded to get my wallet out of my pocket and, of course, got my driver's license, and I went from there.
[01:47:36.440 --> 01:47:38.440]  So my first question was a general one.
[01:47:38.440 --> 01:47:45.440]  If someone in my situation has a CHL and is carrying a weapon, would that change the script in any way?
[01:47:45.440 --> 01:47:48.440]  Well, the fact depends.
[01:47:48.440 --> 01:47:51.440]  Were you loaded?
[01:47:51.440 --> 01:47:52.440]  Yeah.
[01:47:52.440 --> 01:47:53.440]  Okay.
[01:47:53.440 --> 01:47:56.440]  So you were in commerce.
[01:47:56.440 --> 01:47:57.440]  Wait.
[01:47:57.440 --> 01:47:58.440]  What do you mean loaded?
[01:47:58.440 --> 01:48:01.440]  Your truck.
[01:48:01.440 --> 01:48:02.440]  What were you in?
[01:48:02.440 --> 01:48:03.440]  I was not in a truck.
[01:48:03.440 --> 01:48:05.440]  I was in a pickup, and I was traveling.
[01:48:05.440 --> 01:48:06.440]  Okay.
[01:48:06.440 --> 01:48:15.440]  If you're acting in your own capacity, okay, privately, then technically, no, there is no difference because you hold a CDL.
[01:48:15.440 --> 01:48:18.440]  You're not using the license.
[01:48:18.440 --> 01:48:21.440]  No, I'm sorry, not CDL, CHL.
[01:48:21.440 --> 01:48:22.440]  Oh, okay.
[01:48:22.440 --> 01:48:26.440]  Well, CHL, what's the issue there?
[01:48:26.440 --> 01:48:30.440]  Fighting the ticket doesn't change anything as far as that goes.
[01:48:30.440 --> 01:48:33.440]  You're in Texas, right?
[01:48:33.440 --> 01:48:34.440]  Correct.
[01:48:34.440 --> 01:48:35.440]  Okay.
[01:48:35.440 --> 01:48:37.440]  Did you have the weapon on you?
[01:48:37.440 --> 01:48:39.440]  No, it was in the pickup.
[01:48:39.440 --> 01:48:40.440]  Okay.
[01:48:40.440 --> 01:48:44.440]  Well, then there's no reason to be telling him anything about it.
[01:48:44.440 --> 01:48:51.440]  The CHL is if you're actually carrying it on or about your person in a concealed fashion, right?
[01:48:51.440 --> 01:48:54.440]  Right, and that's what I told the officer when they started demanding my...
[01:48:54.440 --> 01:48:58.440]  When he got my hands behind my back, he started asking me if I had weapons.
[01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:04.440]  I told him I was a CHL holder and that there was a weapon in the pickup.
[01:49:04.440 --> 01:49:12.440]  Of course, then they get all excited and tell me you have to produce this and that and this, and unfortunately, I kind of locked up.
[01:49:12.440 --> 01:49:17.440]  I didn't get through the script beyond asking them what their probable cause was.
[01:49:17.440 --> 01:49:18.440]  Okay.
[01:49:18.440 --> 01:49:23.440]  Well, again, why are you required to tell them there's a gun in the truck?
[01:49:23.440 --> 01:49:28.440]  I don't believe I was and I didn't until they asked me about the weapons.
[01:49:28.440 --> 01:49:31.440]  I guess my question was, would you suggest for somebody...
[01:49:31.440 --> 01:49:35.440]  I guess your suggestion was if I decide to get out of the vehicle...
[01:49:35.440 --> 01:49:36.440]  Out of the what?
[01:49:36.440 --> 01:49:46.440]  Out of the vehicle that's uncomfortable, out of the pickup, I'm sorry, make sure I don't have my driver's license with me would be the best course of action.
[01:49:46.440 --> 01:49:51.440]  Well, again, yeah, I mean, you could have just stayed in the truck.
[01:49:51.440 --> 01:49:56.440]  Yeah, in hindsight, that would have been the best thing to do.
[01:49:56.440 --> 01:49:57.440]  Okay.
[01:49:57.440 --> 01:50:06.440]  Now, not that it should matter, but they will try to make a deal out of it if at all possible.
[01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:09.440]  You just need to be careful when you do have a weapon with you.
[01:50:09.440 --> 01:50:10.440]  But guess what?
[01:50:10.440 --> 01:50:13.440]  Had I been in your situation, I'd have never told them I had the gun.
[01:50:13.440 --> 01:50:14.440]  It's my right to have it in the car.
[01:50:14.440 --> 01:50:20.440]  I don't have to tell them squat and I'm dang sure don't have to have a license to have it.
[01:50:20.440 --> 01:50:21.440]  Okay.
[01:50:21.440 --> 01:50:28.440]  The one thing you did by getting that license was to ensure the same thing they want for the driver's license.
[01:50:28.440 --> 01:50:37.440]  Is that simply because you carry it, the presumption is established that you voluntarily waived all your rights all the time.
[01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:44.440]  And you can't be made to do that to exercise a privilege.
[01:50:44.440 --> 01:50:48.440]  Now, the issue here is not a privilege of carrying the gun.
[01:50:48.440 --> 01:50:58.440]  It's the privilege of being licensed by the state to do so.
[01:50:58.440 --> 01:50:59.440]  Okay.
[01:50:59.440 --> 01:51:00.440]  All right?
[01:51:00.440 --> 01:51:05.440]  So, I mean, this is all there is to it to me.
[01:51:05.440 --> 01:51:06.440]  I have the right to do it.
[01:51:06.440 --> 01:51:08.440]  I don't need their license to do it.
[01:51:08.440 --> 01:51:17.440]  Therefore, answering the question about whether I have a weapon or not is no more their business than where I came from and where I'm going.
[01:51:17.440 --> 01:51:18.440]  Okay.
[01:51:18.440 --> 01:51:19.440]  Second question.
[01:51:19.440 --> 01:51:24.440]  This is a local municipality who's barely about three years old, just south of Austin here.
[01:51:24.440 --> 01:51:29.440]  They like to run a little gauntlet here, getting into town.
[01:51:29.440 --> 01:51:40.440]  And he pulled me over for the non-moving violation of a expired safety inspection sticker.
[01:51:40.440 --> 01:51:46.440]  Given the fact that I didn't get all the way through the script, only that I got him to admit that that was his probable cause,
[01:51:46.440 --> 01:51:49.440]  I don't suppose that changes our tactics any.
[01:51:49.440 --> 01:51:52.440]  I'm still going to go for a PIR.
[01:51:52.440 --> 01:51:55.440]  I'm going to go to the initial appearance and file motions.
[01:51:55.440 --> 01:51:57.440]  Yeah, you're still going to do everything the same.
[01:51:57.440 --> 01:51:59.440]  The situation there hasn't changed.
[01:51:59.440 --> 01:52:00.440]  Okay.
[01:52:00.440 --> 01:52:10.440]  Now, what you might want to try to do is send a PIR to the Department of Public Safety asking for any certifications
[01:52:10.440 --> 01:52:21.440]  or whatever is required by the Department of Public Safety for these officers in this municipality and list them by name
[01:52:21.440 --> 01:52:27.440]  or specify the municipality, but it would be better if you gave them the names of the officers,
[01:52:27.440 --> 01:52:35.440]  that authorizes them to enforce Transportation Code statutes.
[01:52:35.440 --> 01:52:36.440]  Okay.
[01:52:36.440 --> 01:52:39.440]  And see what the DPS sends to you.
[01:52:39.440 --> 01:52:41.440]  Do you think that might not exist or what?
[01:52:41.440 --> 01:52:43.440]  I know it doesn't exist.
[01:52:43.440 --> 01:52:47.440]  Okay.
[01:52:47.440 --> 01:52:54.440]  And then I would go with some kind of pretrial motion against that?
[01:52:54.440 --> 01:52:56.440]  Yeah, the arrest and stop was illegal.
[01:52:56.440 --> 01:53:02.440]  The officers not authorized to enforce transportation statutes.
[01:53:02.440 --> 01:53:06.440]  The stop was completely illegal.
[01:53:06.440 --> 01:53:10.440]  That's interesting. Okay.
[01:53:10.440 --> 01:53:16.440]  Check 541 of the Transportation Code makes it very, very clear that the term police officer
[01:53:16.440 --> 01:53:25.440]  is someone who has been authorized to enforce and arrest under the transportation statutes.
[01:53:25.440 --> 01:53:32.440]  The only place where that authorization can be found to occur is in Title 37 of the Administrative Code
[01:53:32.440 --> 01:53:39.440]  under Rule 4.13 of Subchapter B.
[01:53:39.440 --> 01:53:44.440]  And you don't think that exists for this municipality because it's new or because it's just...
[01:53:44.440 --> 01:53:50.440]  It doesn't exist because in all of Texas there's not but 63 people that are certified by the DPS for that,
[01:53:50.440 --> 01:53:56.440]  and they must be in a specific size of county as far as population,
[01:53:56.440 --> 01:54:03.440]  and it must be in a specific geographic location or they cannot get authorized.
[01:54:03.440 --> 01:54:05.440]  I believe I remember that from the seminar. Okay.
[01:54:05.440 --> 01:54:10.440]  Okay, that's also in 543 Subsection B.
[01:54:10.440 --> 01:54:16.440]  I'm sorry, not 543, 4.13 Subsection B.
[01:54:16.440 --> 01:54:18.440]  All right, I guess that covers it for now.
[01:54:18.440 --> 01:54:25.440]  I'd just like to say this was my first stop, and for me it was really difficult to try to stick with the script,
[01:54:25.440 --> 01:54:30.440]  especially because I was dumb enough to get out of the pickup, but it's just hard.
[01:54:30.440 --> 01:54:33.440]  It is, and until you get it practiced, it will be.
[01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:35.440]  All right, okay.
[01:54:35.440 --> 01:54:40.440]  Okay, get with friends, get with family, somebody else that wants to know what you know and do what you're doing,
[01:54:40.440 --> 01:54:42.440]  and y'all practice together.
[01:54:42.440 --> 01:54:45.440]  When you hear him say vehicle, object, okay?
[01:54:45.440 --> 01:54:48.440]  When they hear you do it, make them object.
[01:54:48.440 --> 01:54:49.440]  Teach them how to do it right.
[01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:51.440]  Keep each other on your toes.
[01:54:51.440 --> 01:54:55.440]  It becomes a whole lot easier to deal with the y'all who's on the road.
[01:54:55.440 --> 01:55:01.440]  You might want them to smack you or something, too, because the adrenaline rush is hard to get over as well.
[01:55:01.440 --> 01:55:02.440]  Well, that may be.
[01:55:02.440 --> 01:55:05.440]  In fact, you know, heck, if I was home with my brothers, we'd do that.
[01:55:05.440 --> 01:55:09.440]  Oh, you said vehicle, pop, right in the chin, you know.
[01:55:09.440 --> 01:55:10.440]  I appreciate it, Eddie.
[01:55:10.440 --> 01:55:11.440]  Thank you.
[01:55:11.440 --> 01:55:12.440]  Not a problem.
[01:55:12.440 --> 01:55:13.440]  Take care.
[01:55:13.440 --> 01:55:15.440]  All right, now we're going to go to Terrence in Ohio.
[01:55:15.440 --> 01:55:18.440]  Terrence, what you got?
[01:55:18.440 --> 01:55:22.440]  Hey, Eddie, I wanted you to expand on something you mentioned with Ross Bass.
[01:55:22.440 --> 01:55:26.440]  Has the police determined to be private contractors?
[01:55:26.440 --> 01:55:28.440]  And they're issuing citations.
[01:55:28.440 --> 01:55:31.440]  And you said, and that means what?
[01:55:31.440 --> 01:55:32.440]  And then you stopped it.
[01:55:32.440 --> 01:55:36.440]  I wanted you to expand on what does that mean.
[01:55:36.440 --> 01:55:40.440]  Say that one more time.
[01:55:40.440 --> 01:55:45.440]  Police officers in North Carolina have been determined to be private contractors.
[01:55:45.440 --> 01:55:54.440]  Yeah, he got an administrative judge to determine that the Department of their state troopers are not state officers.
[01:55:54.440 --> 01:55:55.440]  They're private.
[01:55:55.440 --> 01:56:05.440]  And therefore, their enforcement activities against the people of North Carolina, they have absolutely no immunity for when they violate their rights.
[01:56:05.440 --> 01:56:09.440]  They cannot cower behind state immunity.
[01:56:09.440 --> 01:56:15.440]  They are 100% liable and vulnerable for what they do.
[01:56:15.440 --> 01:56:16.440]  Okay.
[01:56:16.440 --> 01:56:23.440]  And also I found, because I was in North Carolina, a state trooper is authorized to issue citations for littering.
[01:56:23.440 --> 01:56:30.440]  And that's the only item listed in the code where they can issue a citation.
[01:56:30.440 --> 01:56:32.440]  So I do know that much.
[01:56:32.440 --> 01:56:34.440]  Okay.
[01:56:34.440 --> 01:56:37.440]  That'll work.
[01:56:37.440 --> 01:56:38.440]  And that's all.
[01:56:38.440 --> 01:56:39.440]  Thank you very much.
[01:56:39.440 --> 01:56:40.440]  All right.
[01:56:40.440 --> 01:56:41.440]  Thanks for calling in, Terrence.
[01:56:41.440 --> 01:56:42.440]  All right.
[01:56:42.440 --> 01:56:44.440]  Now we're going to go to Doug in Texas.
[01:56:44.440 --> 01:56:48.440]  Doug, you've got less than two minutes, man.
[01:56:48.440 --> 01:56:49.440]  Okay.
[01:56:49.440 --> 01:56:57.440]  You were talking about having to be a pauper and get legal representation and this and that.
[01:56:57.440 --> 01:56:58.440]  Yeah.
[01:56:58.440 --> 01:57:11.440]  I think the equal protection, in other words, if I have five grand in my pocket before the bondsman or lawyer and this that and that,
[01:57:11.440 --> 01:57:20.440]  and I'm found not guilty of transgressing against the state, the county or whatever entity,
[01:57:20.440 --> 01:57:31.440]  why should I forfeit that much money, whereas somebody else who didn't even quite as fortunate just get off guard free?
[01:57:31.440 --> 01:57:35.440]  Well, the issue there, Doug, becomes this.
[01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:41.440]  The right to counsel is not the right to paid counsel.
[01:57:41.440 --> 01:57:46.440]  The right to counsel is the right to have someone acting on your behalf.
[01:57:46.440 --> 01:57:55.440]  But you can't be deprived of the right because you cannot afford one in your own right.
[01:57:55.440 --> 01:58:09.440]  It's a right to have counsel, but not a necessary right to have it paid for if you're capable of doing that yourself.
[01:58:09.440 --> 01:58:18.440]  Well, again, it can be looked at as a penalty, but it's not.
[01:58:18.440 --> 01:58:19.440]  Okay.
[01:58:19.440 --> 01:58:20.440]  Anything else?
[01:58:20.440 --> 01:58:21.440]  No.
[01:58:21.440 --> 01:58:22.440]  All right.
[01:58:22.440 --> 01:58:23.440]  Thanks for calling in, Doug.
[01:58:23.440 --> 01:58:24.440]  All right, folks.
[01:58:24.440 --> 01:58:27.440]  This is Rule of Law Radio and the Monday Night Traffic Show.
[01:58:27.440 --> 01:58:28.440]  This has been your host, Eddie Craig.
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