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[00:10.980 --> 00:17.280]  Belgium Howard Guttman the EU doesn't believe the military mission in Afghanistan can succeed.
[00:17.280 --> 00:22.960]  Van Rompuy suggested European troops are only being deployed in deference to the US.
[00:22.960 --> 00:28.560]  Top US General in Afghanistan David Petraeus said this weekend victory in Afghanistan was
[00:28.560 --> 00:31.920]  quote not a sure thing.
[00:31.920 --> 00:38.160]  An alternative summit to the UN forum on climate change is also meeting in Cancun Mexico called
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[00:53.840 --> 00:57.960]  economic justice and food sovereignty.
[00:57.960 --> 01:02.840]  The DREAM Act proposed legislation that would give permanent US residency to the children
[01:02.840 --> 01:08.120]  of undocumented workers if they complete two years of college or military service would
[01:08.120 --> 01:12.640]  cut the federal deficit by 1.4 billion dollars over ten years.
[01:12.640 --> 01:18.040]  A new report by the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation estimated
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[01:25.200 --> 01:30.680]  The US has identified hundreds of sites around the world it fears could be targeted in terrorist
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[01:31.680 --> 01:36.880]  The list released by WikiLeaks includes a dozen sites in Britain including two telecom
[01:36.880 --> 01:42.280]  centers, several undersea communications cables, a military manufacturing plant and a vaccine
[01:42.280 --> 01:43.760]  production center.
[01:43.760 --> 01:50.760]  A State Department cable asked embassies around the world to update a 2008 list of vital interests.
[01:50.760 --> 01:56.120]  Unlike most of the documents made available by WikiLeaks so far, it was marked secret.
[01:56.120 --> 02:01.840]  Called the Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative, the list divides the world into six regions.
[02:01.840 --> 02:08.200]  It makes clear how the US depends on the range of substances from smallpox vaccines in Denmark
[02:08.200 --> 02:12.400]  to bauxite in Guinea and liquefied natural gas in the Middle East.
[02:12.400 --> 02:17.460]  It makes clear US military facilities and US government property are not to be included
[02:17.460 --> 02:24.180]  in the survey and that foreign governments should not be consulted during the review.
[02:24.180 --> 02:29.040]  The Obama administration is planning a major reshuffling of diplomats, military officers
[02:29.040 --> 02:34.400]  and intelligence operatives at US embassies around the world out of concern that WikiLeaks
[02:34.400 --> 02:39.880]  has made it impossible, if not dangerous, for many US personnel to remain in their current
[02:39.880 --> 02:40.880]  posts.
[02:40.880 --> 02:45.880]  The shakeups are most likely at embassies where US diplomats and other officials wrote
[02:45.880 --> 02:51.120]  classified cables made public by WikiLeaks over the last week in which they were harshly
[02:51.120 --> 03:20.880]  critical of corrupt or incompetent government leaders.
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[04:17.880 --> 04:21.880]  Alright folks, good evening. This is Rule of Law Radio with Eddie Craig and Deborah Stevens.
[04:21.880 --> 04:27.880]  It is Monday night, December 6, 2010. Tonight is traffic night.
[04:27.880 --> 04:31.880]  We're going to be dealing with one particular subject tonight.
[04:31.880 --> 04:37.880]  We're going to go over what constitutes unauthorized practice of law.
[04:37.880 --> 04:43.880]  This presentation hopefully will not take too long and we can start taking phone callers here pretty soon.
[04:43.880 --> 04:48.880]  But if you are where you can access the internet, go to the Texas government website,
[04:48.880 --> 04:54.880]  to the legislative enactments sections where you can get to the actual statutes and codes
[04:54.880 --> 05:01.880]  and look in subchapter D which is section 81.101.
[05:01.880 --> 05:07.880]  This section, subchapter G deals specifically with the unauthorized practice of law.
[05:07.880 --> 05:11.880]  Now I'm going to read each of these sections and I'm going to kind of break them down
[05:11.880 --> 05:17.880]  as to exactly what they're attempting to do and exactly why we can tell them to go jump in the lake.
[05:17.880 --> 05:22.880]  Okay, 81.101, definition, subsection A.
[05:22.880 --> 05:29.880]  In this chapter, the practice of law means the preparation of a pleading or other document
[05:29.880 --> 05:34.880]  incident to an action or special proceeding or the management of the action or proceeding
[05:34.880 --> 05:40.880]  on behalf of a client before a judge in court as well as a service rendered out of court
[05:40.880 --> 05:45.880]  including the giving of advice or the rendering of any service requiring the use of legal skill
[05:45.880 --> 05:50.880]  or knowledge such as preparing a will, contract or other instrument,
[05:50.880 --> 05:56.880]  the legal effect of which under the facts and conclusions involved must be carefully determined.
[05:56.880 --> 06:03.880]  Subsection B, the definition in this section is not exclusive and does not deprive the judicial branch
[06:03.880 --> 06:08.880]  of the power and authority under both this chapter and the adjudicated cases
[06:08.880 --> 06:15.880]  to determine whether other services and acts not enumerated may constitute the practice of law.
[06:15.880 --> 06:23.880]  C, in this section, the practice of law does not include the design, creation, publication, distribution,
[06:23.880 --> 06:30.880]  display or sale including publication, distribution, display or sale by means of an Internet website
[06:30.880 --> 06:36.880]  of written materials, books, forms, computer software or similar products
[06:36.880 --> 06:42.880]  if the products clearly and conspicuously state that the products are not a substitute for the advice of an attorney.
[06:42.880 --> 06:48.880]  This subsection does not authorize the use of the products or similar media in violation of Chapter 83
[06:48.880 --> 06:53.880]  and does not affect the applicability or enforceability of that chapter.
[06:53.880 --> 06:59.880]  Now, let's talk about 81.0101 here for just a second.
[06:59.880 --> 07:03.880]  The Supreme Court, as we'll see when we get to the next section,
[07:03.880 --> 07:09.880]  is the one that is outlining these rules for this particular statute.
[07:09.880 --> 07:11.880]  Now, understand something here.
[07:11.880 --> 07:18.880]  The judicial branch of government cannot create law.
[07:18.880 --> 07:21.880]  That includes the Supreme Court.
[07:21.880 --> 07:25.880]  That includes the Court of Criminal Appeals.
[07:25.880 --> 07:29.880]  They cannot create law.
[07:29.880 --> 07:37.880]  They can create judicial interpretations of existing law, but they cannot create law.
[07:37.880 --> 07:43.880]  So when this says that this is creating a definition of the practice of law
[07:43.880 --> 07:51.880]  and that the judicial branch can determine whether or not a particular action involves the practice of law,
[07:51.880 --> 07:59.880]  then there is a certain restriction placed upon the judicial branch as to who they may apply that definition to.
[07:59.880 --> 08:05.880]  Reason being, if it is not a law, it can only be a rule.
[08:05.880 --> 08:11.880]  And if it's a rule, then it cannot be applied to the people themselves.
[08:11.880 --> 08:15.880]  Only laws can be applied to the people.
[08:15.880 --> 08:23.880]  The rules apply only to those that are subject to the particular whims of the courts.
[08:23.880 --> 08:30.880]  In this case, employees of the courts, officers of the courts, and so on and so forth.
[08:30.880 --> 08:35.880]  But it cannot, does not apply to you and I.
[08:35.880 --> 08:43.880]  Section 81.1011, exception for certain legal assistance.
[08:43.880 --> 08:50.880]  Subsection A, notwithstanding Subsection 81.101A,
[08:50.880 --> 08:57.880]  the practice of law does not include technical advice, consultation, and document completion assistance
[08:57.880 --> 09:02.880]  provided by an employee or volunteer of an area agency on aging,
[09:02.880 --> 09:09.880]  affiliated with the Texas Department on Aging, who meets the requirements of Subsection B
[09:09.880 --> 09:13.880]  if that advice, consultation, and assistance relates to,
[09:13.880 --> 09:21.880]  Sub-Item 1, a medical power of attorney or other advanced directive under Chapter 166 Health and Safety Code,
[09:21.880 --> 09:30.880]  or 2, a designation of guardian before need arises under Section 679 Texas Probate Code.
[09:30.880 --> 09:36.880]  And in Subsection B, an employee or volunteer described by Subsection A must,
[09:36.880 --> 09:44.880]  1, provide benefits counseling through an area agency on aging system of access and assistance to agency clients.
[09:44.880 --> 09:50.880]  2, comply with the rules adopted by the Texas Department on Aging regarding qualifications,
[09:50.880 --> 09:55.880]  training requirements, and other requirements for providing benefits counseling services,
[09:55.880 --> 09:59.880]  including legal assistance and legal awareness services.
[09:59.880 --> 10:07.880]  3, have received specific training in providing the technical advice, consultation, and assistance described by Subsection A,
[10:07.880 --> 10:14.880]  and 4, be certified by the Texas Department on Aging as having met the requirements of this subsection.
[10:14.880 --> 10:21.880]  Subsection C, the Texas Department on Aging by rule shall develop certification procedures
[10:21.880 --> 10:27.880]  by which the department certifies that an employee or volunteer described by Subsection A
[10:27.880 --> 10:32.880]  has met the requirements of Subsection B, 1, 2, and 3.
[10:32.880 --> 10:40.880]  Okay, so they're trying to create the appearance of only one exception to the practice of law.
[10:40.880 --> 10:46.880]  But again, notice that the exception is made to apply only to another governmental entity
[10:46.880 --> 10:50.880]  and those people employed by that entity.
[10:50.880 --> 10:58.880]  This is all statutory rules that we'll see here in a second when we get down to 81.102
[10:58.880 --> 11:03.880]  where it specifically states state bar membership is required.
[11:03.880 --> 11:11.880]  But again, a rule can only apply to those that are subject to the whims of the rule maker.
[11:11.880 --> 11:16.880]  The people are not a part of the judicial branch of government per se.
[11:16.880 --> 11:22.880]  We created it, we have authority over it, but we are not a part of it.
[11:22.880 --> 11:28.880]  The rules that are promulgated inside the judicial branch have nothing to do with us.
[11:28.880 --> 11:31.880]  They don't apply.
[11:31.880 --> 11:35.880]  Section 81.102, state bar membership required.
[11:35.880 --> 11:40.880]  Subsection A, except as provided by Subsection B,
[11:40.880 --> 11:47.880]  a person may not practice law in this state unless the person is a member of the state bar.
[11:47.880 --> 11:54.880]  B, the Supreme Court may promulgate rules prescribing the procedure for limited practice of law by
[11:54.880 --> 11:58.880]  1, attorneys licensed in another jurisdiction,
[11:58.880 --> 12:01.880]  2, bona fide law students,
[12:01.880 --> 12:09.880]  and 3, unlicensed graduate students who are attending or who have attended a law school approved by the Supreme Court.
[12:09.880 --> 12:16.880]  Now let's take a second here and figure out where the Supreme Court fits into the grand judicial structure.
[12:16.880 --> 12:24.880]  We have two levels to the, or two parts of the high courts here.
[12:24.880 --> 12:28.880]  There is a criminal side, there is a civil side.
[12:28.880 --> 12:32.880]  The Supreme Court is over the civil.
[12:32.880 --> 12:36.880]  It makes rules regarding the civil.
[12:36.880 --> 12:46.880]  The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals makes the rules regarding the criminal outside of the Code of Criminal Procedure.
[12:46.880 --> 12:48.880]  So you see the difference here?
[12:48.880 --> 12:52.880]  Chapter 81, for the practice of law,
[12:52.880 --> 13:00.880]  if the rules are promulgated by the Supreme Court of Texas and they are civil in their power and authority only,
[13:00.880 --> 13:07.880]  then their rules apply only to those things that involve civil cases.
[13:07.880 --> 13:14.880]  If they're being given power and authority over criminal practices and procedures of law,
[13:14.880 --> 13:19.880]  why don't they have power over the cases?
[13:19.880 --> 13:21.880]  The thing is they don't.
[13:21.880 --> 13:23.880]  They're separate.
[13:23.880 --> 13:32.880]  So given that, we can see that this section right away does not apply to the practice of criminal legal counsel,
[13:32.880 --> 13:36.880]  only to civil legal counsel under specific conditions.
[13:36.880 --> 13:38.880]  How do we know this?
[13:38.880 --> 13:45.880]  There is only one penal law in Texas that deals with the unauthorized practice of law.
[13:45.880 --> 13:55.880]  That is 38.123 Penal Code, and it specifically states in its language that it applies only to someone
[13:55.880 --> 14:03.880]  who is seeking a financial benefit for themselves by representing or preparing documentation
[14:03.880 --> 14:13.880]  or acting as legal counsel for someone in a suit for recovery of personal injury damages.
[14:13.880 --> 14:24.880]  There is absolutely no penal code statute whatsoever that deals with acting and serving as legal counsel
[14:24.880 --> 14:34.880]  for anyone in a criminal case or in a civil case that is not for personal injury damages.
[14:34.880 --> 14:44.880]  So when they start threatening proceeds and those of us that file paperwork on behalf of other people
[14:44.880 --> 14:49.880]  with the unauthorized practice of law, they're going to have to overcome statute.
[14:49.880 --> 14:58.880]  Then they're going to have to show how a rule promulgated by a civil court gained authority
[14:58.880 --> 15:09.880]  in place of the valid law of the legislature to charge someone with an unauthorized practice of law rule
[15:09.880 --> 15:13.880]  that doesn't exist as a law.
[15:13.880 --> 15:20.880]  They're going to have a real hard time making that one work,
[15:20.880 --> 15:25.880]  especially if they tried on me or someone that's been to one of these courses like the one I had Saturday
[15:25.880 --> 15:30.880]  on charging instruments. They're going to have a real hard time convincing these people they're guilty of
[15:30.880 --> 15:39.880]  the unauthorized practice of law because the statute simply does not support the accusation.
[15:39.880 --> 15:50.880]  Now, if you think that's good, listen to this. Section 81.103, unauthorized practice of law committee.
[15:50.880 --> 15:59.880]  Subsection A, the unauthorized practice of law committee is composed of nine persons appointed by the Supreme Court.
[15:59.880 --> 16:06.880]  Subsection B, at least three of the committee members must be non-attorneys.
[16:06.880 --> 16:16.880]  Subsection C, committee members serve for staggered terms of three years with three members' terms expiring each year.
[16:16.880 --> 16:21.880]  Subsection D, a committee member may be reappointed.
[16:21.880 --> 16:25.880]  Notice these people are appointed, not elected.
[16:25.880 --> 16:32.880]  Subsection E, each year the Supreme Court shall designate a committee member to serve as chairperson.
[16:32.880 --> 16:40.880]  Subsection F, all necessary and actual expenses of the committee should be provided for and paid out of the budget of the state bar.
[16:40.880 --> 16:42.880]  All right, folks, we're going to go to break.
[16:42.880 --> 16:46.880]  We'll pick this up at 81.104 on the other side. This is Rule of Law Radio.
[16:46.880 --> 17:00.880]  Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[19:23.880 --> 19:28.880]  Hi folks, we are back. This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[19:28.880 --> 19:33.880]  We are going over the unauthorized practice of law statutes here in Texas.
[19:33.880 --> 19:39.880]  The call-in number is 512-646-1984.
[19:39.880 --> 19:47.880]  If you have anything you want to call in and make comments on or talk about, please go ahead and start getting on the board as soon as you can.
[19:47.880 --> 19:53.880]  I've only got a few more minutes of this to cover and to talk about, and then we'll be ready to take your calls if you're out there listening.
[19:53.880 --> 19:59.880]  So please go ahead and let's start getting the callers where we can get them up on the board.
[19:59.880 --> 20:04.880]  That way we're not pressed at the end of the show where we have to cut some folks off because we run out of time.
[20:04.880 --> 20:11.880]  Okay, let's pick up now with section 81.104, Texas Government Code.
[20:11.880 --> 20:15.880]  Duties of unauthorized practice of law committee.
[20:15.880 --> 20:25.880]  The unauthorized practice of law committee shall, one, keep the Supreme Court and the state bar informed with respect to, sub-item A,
[20:25.880 --> 20:34.880]  the unauthorized practice of law by laypersons and lay agencies and the participation of attorneys in that unauthorized practice of law,
[20:34.880 --> 20:40.880]  and sub-item B, methods for the prevention of the unauthorized practice of law,
[20:40.880 --> 20:48.880]  and subsection two, seek the elimination of the unauthorized practice of law by appropriate actions and methods,
[20:48.880 --> 20:51.880]  including the filing of suits in the name of the committee.
[20:51.880 --> 20:56.880]  Now this section we really want to talk about.
[20:56.880 --> 21:02.880]  Now the state bar pays to fund this committee.
[21:02.880 --> 21:12.880]  This section specifically says the purpose of this committee is to seek the elimination of the unauthorized practice of law by appropriate actions and methods,
[21:12.880 --> 21:26.880]  including the filing of suits, meaning the committee is given the power to sue an individual for the unauthorized practice of law.
[21:26.880 --> 21:29.880]  However, there's a slight problem here.
[21:29.880 --> 21:40.880]  How does the committee prove injury in a suit in order to make themselves have standing to sue to begin with?
[21:40.880 --> 21:43.880]  Who is the committee in all of this?
[21:43.880 --> 21:49.880]  If at least three members of this committee are required to be non-attorneys,
[21:49.880 --> 21:57.880]  what would be the standing of those three members to say that they were harmed by the unauthorized practice of law?
[21:57.880 --> 22:02.880]  How could they claim a harm?
[22:02.880 --> 22:17.880]  The real issue here is that this is what the state bar is doing and has got the legislature to authorize them to do to protect the money of the attorneys and their private practice.
[22:17.880 --> 22:34.880]  This is about controlling access to the courts by people to fight on behalf of other people that are not under the control of the judicial branch or any other branch for that matter.
[22:34.880 --> 22:44.880]  Let's look at this from a real-world perspective of why this is a problem when it comes to having the requirements or the need of an attorney.
[22:44.880 --> 22:52.880]  First off, the attorneys are managed and under the thumb of the attorney general.
[22:52.880 --> 23:03.880]  They're responsible in the executive branch for managing and administering all attorneys in Texas, but they're an executive branch office.
[23:03.880 --> 23:21.880]  The other problem this presents is that the State Bar Act of 1939 specifically, right here in Chapter 81, creates the state bar as an administrative office of the judicial branch of government.
[23:21.880 --> 23:24.880]  Now what's wrong with this picture so far?
[23:24.880 --> 23:42.880]  You have every single bar card-carrying attorney that by definition and default is a judicial officer simply by being a member of the bar, which clearly under law is an administrative agency of the judicial branch.
[23:42.880 --> 23:55.880]  Then you have an executive officer that is over all of these attorneys, supposedly, and is meant to regulate and control what they do.
[23:55.880 --> 24:06.880]  This is a complete and total violation of Article 2, Texas Constitution, Division of Powers.
[24:06.880 --> 24:11.880]  It is an absolute violation.
[24:11.880 --> 24:25.880]  Now the other real big problem this creates is that means that there can be no judicial officer in Texas that isn't a member of the bar.
[24:25.880 --> 24:51.880]  Every single important job in the courts, with the exception of the Supreme Court, certain justice courts, and certain municipal courts, there is the ability to absolutely prevent the common folk from getting into that position and serving the public.
[24:51.880 --> 24:58.880]  All of those offices are completely controlled by attorneys.
[24:58.880 --> 25:09.880]  The executive office, which is supposed to have oversight of the laws, should not be controlling attorneys per se.
[25:09.880 --> 25:23.880]  They should be prosecuting them, which their job requires them to do, but they can't direct them, they can't administer them, because they're in a different branch of government.
[25:23.880 --> 25:33.880]  They can only associate with them for acting in violation of law by enforcing that law.
[25:33.880 --> 25:48.880]  But instead, we have multiple branches of government operating in an intermixed fashion that is strictly completely forbidden in the Texas Constitution.
[25:48.880 --> 25:52.880]  And yet, they're doing it.
[25:52.880 --> 26:05.880]  Let's not forget the other little third problem caveat, that the state bar is an unconstitutional, illegal monopoly on the practice of law.
[26:05.880 --> 26:23.880]  It simply violates the very basis of the Texas Constitution, which says that monopolies are just evil. They are not allowed to exist in Texas under our Constitution at all.
[26:23.880 --> 26:27.880]  They are forbidden.
[26:27.880 --> 26:37.880]  And yet, the government has two, the practice of law and the creation of distilled liquor.
[26:37.880 --> 26:58.880]  What's wrong with this picture, people? The very document we the people created that said these things shall not exist have been completely disobeyed and ignored by the public servants we created with that very same document.
[26:58.880 --> 27:08.880]  This is a severe problem, and we the people are doing nothing about it. Why?
[27:08.880 --> 27:12.880]  That's a question we need to get an answer to, folks.
[27:12.880 --> 27:31.880]  81.105, Texas Government Code, Local Committees. This chapter does not prohibit the establishment of local unauthorized practice of law committees to assist the unauthorized practice of law committee in carrying out its purpose.
[27:31.880 --> 27:56.880]  Section 81.106, immunity, subsection A, the unauthorized practice of law committee, any member of the committee or any person to whom the committee has delegated authority and who is assisting the committee is not liable for any damages for an act or omission in the course of the official duties of the committee.
[27:56.880 --> 28:14.880]  Subsection B, a complainant or a witness in a proceeding before the committee or before a person to whom the committee has delegated authority and who is assisting the committee has the same immunity that a complainant or witness has in a judicial proceeding.
[28:14.880 --> 28:37.880]  So as you can see, this has been set up through the legislature to fully protect these people for illegally harassing the people in helping each other with court issues, with legal counsel issues, with document preparation issues.
[28:37.880 --> 28:54.880]  This has been sponsored by the legislature to make this happen to give attorneys and their ilk an unfair advantage and a monopoly of a particular occupation.
[28:54.880 --> 28:59.880]  That should not ever have been allowed to happen.
[28:59.880 --> 29:12.880]  And yet here we are today with exactly that in place, entrenched in stone, because we the people will not get off our dusts and challenge the validity of what's being done.
[29:12.880 --> 29:30.880]  Folks, if you have not come down to the Saturday seminars, I'm begging you, please come three to six every Saturday except for this coming Saturday, the 11th, and of course the following Saturday for Christmas, or I'm sorry, not the 18th, but the Saturday after that for Christmas.
[29:30.880 --> 29:38.880]  So this coming Saturday, then we'll have one on the 18th, then we'll skip the one the Saturday after that for Christmas.
[29:38.880 --> 29:59.880]  We're about to go to break. We still don't have any callers on the board. 512-646-1984. This is Eddie Craig, Denver Stevens, rule of law, December 6, 2010. Please give us a call. We will be right back.
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[30:32.880 --> 30:41.880]  Be careful what you tweet. Just ask Jonathan Hoster. His complaint about a local grocery store sparked a national social media firestorm and nearly cost his job.
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[31:16.880 --> 31:24.880]  When Jonathan Hoster found the local Price Chopper supermarket under-stocked, he vented his frustrations on Twitter, the social media website.
[31:24.880 --> 31:34.880]  But when Price Chopper PR employee Amira Settawayu read the tweet, she demanded that Hoster's employer, Syracuse University, discipline him for daring to criticize her store.
[31:34.880 --> 31:45.880]  From there, it was all downhill. A social media professor launched blog entries criticizing the store's bizarre response. Bloggers debated whether heads should roll and protests were planned at Price Chopper stores.
[31:45.880 --> 31:50.880]  Price Chopper finally apologized and the disaster died down, but the outcome could have been quite different.
[31:50.880 --> 31:54.880]  Hoster could have lost his job, and I'm wondering how Settawayu kept hers.
[31:54.880 --> 32:01.880]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[32:01.880 --> 32:17.880]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the government them, prosecute them. Okay.
[32:17.880 --> 32:40.880]  All right, folks, we are back. Rule of Law Radio. This is Eddie Craig, Debra Stevens.
[32:40.880 --> 32:50.880]  All right. Now, on the unauthorized practice of law, we have seen how well these people have tried to rig the system in favor of the attorneys.
[32:50.880 --> 33:03.880]  Because they've rigged it in favor of the attorneys, there is a lot of effort being made right now to fix this problem, at least on my part.
[33:03.880 --> 33:13.880]  I am writing legislation that will hopefully help with some of this. I am trying to give these seminars to people so that they can understand what's being done to them.
[33:13.880 --> 33:18.880]  I'm showing them what we can do to fight back, and I'm trying to make the effort here.
[33:18.880 --> 33:29.880]  And we've had really good luck on the seminars. People, you know, numbering in the teens and 20s have shown up for virtually every one of them, and I really appreciate the folks that have shown up.
[33:29.880 --> 33:41.880]  I hope and pray that you're getting something useful and good out of it. If you are, please call into the show and let other folks that are listening out there, or may be told about it, what you thought.
[33:41.880 --> 33:52.880]  Good, bad, or ugly, I don't care. I just want to know if anybody feels they're getting anything useful out of this, and to let others know that they're not wasting their time if they do come.
[33:52.880 --> 34:07.880]  So if you're out there listening, please give us a call, 512-646-1984. Now, right now, I've got an issue here where I've had someone that I'm helping.
[34:07.880 --> 34:19.880]  He has actually gone and hired an attorney to help him with a particular traffic case, and I've been talking to him, you know, off and on about what his attorney is doing and such.
[34:19.880 --> 34:32.880]  And it turns out that his attorney has already started trying to say that he is not going to do certain things certain ways.
[34:32.880 --> 34:40.880]  He's not actually abiding by the code of criminal procedure. He's sold him down the river so far by waiving impersonal jurisdiction.
[34:40.880 --> 34:54.880]  And he entered a plea based solely upon the citation. And that is a problem. So I actually sent him a copy of the original motion that we filed now, motion number one.
[34:54.880 --> 35:06.880]  He is someone that has the seminar material. And I actually taught the class this past Saturday on the very issues that I spoke to him about to deal with his attorney.
[35:06.880 --> 35:18.880]  And this is the email that he sent me back today, and I'll read that to you. And hang on just a sec, folks.
[35:18.880 --> 35:29.880]  All right. Now, it says, Eddie, update. My lawyer ignored my emails all last week. Today I threatened a bar grievance, and he called me within two hours.
[35:29.880 --> 35:40.880]  He was angry at argumentative. He even tried to give me a refund for all the money I had paid him. He said I have no legal basis to dismiss based on the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, blah, blah, blah.
[35:40.880 --> 35:46.880]  I told him it doesn't matter since the law violates the Texas Constitution. It is invalid.
[35:46.880 --> 35:56.880]  I particularly nailed him on the fact that you said he pled not guilty to a citation, and then the charging instrument, the complaint, is generated.
[35:56.880 --> 36:02.880]  He tried to say that he had not entered a plea yet, but he backed down when I reminded him that I have all the records.
[36:02.880 --> 36:08.880]  He also said he didn't appreciate the fact that I went down to the court to get the records and caused a scene.
[36:08.880 --> 36:14.880]  To make a long story short, he finally agreed to review the attached, which is the motion that I sent to them.
[36:14.880 --> 36:21.880]  He knows that unless he can convince me that the motion to dismiss has no legal basis, I will file a bar grievance.
[36:21.880 --> 36:29.880]  So I'll let you know what he comes back with. I told him no later than the 23rd because after the holidays, we'll be in close to 10 days of the pretrial.
[36:29.880 --> 36:42.880]  So we now have someone that has taken our first motion and given it to their attorney and demanded the attorney read it and either prove it wrong or apply what it says.
[36:42.880 --> 36:47.880]  Now, folks, here's what I believe you can expect out of this.
[36:47.880 --> 36:55.880]  First off, no attorney is going to admit he's been stupid, not if he can get away with it.
[36:55.880 --> 37:08.880]  But there's also going to be a real hard problem for this attorney to say this is not what the law means because it's written right there in black and white.
[37:08.880 --> 37:20.880]  The Code of Criminal Procedure says in the very beginning that its purpose and intent is to ensure that not only those that are required to prosecute the law under its provisions,
[37:20.880 --> 37:30.880]  but those whose rights are affected by it can completely and totally understand its meaning and intent.
[37:30.880 --> 37:38.880]  So it is written for the layman. It is written for everyone to be able to understand.
[37:38.880 --> 37:54.880]  So if an attorney says you don't understand it, you tell him he's a moron for suggesting such because Chapter 1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure says it was written specifically for you and I to understand it.
[37:54.880 --> 38:06.880]  And for the attorney to state otherwise proves not only his ignorance of the facts but of the actual law under which he is supposed to be operating.
[38:06.880 --> 38:14.880]  So people, the problem is the attorneys don't care enough to actually learn the law.
[38:14.880 --> 38:22.880]  They trust entirely upon what they're being told rather than what the law says.
[38:22.880 --> 38:31.880]  And when they do that, it causes problems for all of the rest of us.
[38:31.880 --> 38:42.880]  It causes us problems because the next person that comes along having to deal with an attorney listens to an attorney who doesn't know what they're talking about.
[38:42.880 --> 38:47.880]  And this gentleman is a prime example of that.
[38:47.880 --> 38:59.880]  I did have a chance to speak with an attorney that has attended one of my seminars and actually got to sit down and discuss with her how to defend a traffic case.
[38:59.880 --> 39:05.880]  And she actually thought that one of the suggestions I made was extremely clever and good.
[39:05.880 --> 39:11.880]  That's not to toot my own horn, but this is from an actual licensed attorney.
[39:11.880 --> 39:24.880]  When I explained to her that Chapter 543 Texas Transportation Code clearly states that the person being issued a citation is in a custodial arrest,
[39:24.880 --> 39:37.880]  that anytime the police officer demands that they provide him or her with any information that can be used against them in a court of law,
[39:37.880 --> 39:44.880]  they must be aware that their Fifth Amendment protections have already been invoked.
[39:44.880 --> 40:00.880]  Even though the officer hasn't told you you're under arrest, you are under arrest because the law created that specific requirement before the officer could issue you a citation.
[40:00.880 --> 40:15.880]  Chapter 543 clearly says the arresting officer may release the person arrested from custody if they sign the promise to appear.
[40:15.880 --> 40:30.880]  So how can you not be in a custodial arrest and an arresting officer can release you as the arrested person from custody?
[40:30.880 --> 40:45.880]  It would take a real politician to make the argument that you're not in a custodial arrest. And I do not use the term politician in a kind way whatsoever.
[40:45.880 --> 40:54.880]  There are many, many names under the sun I would rather have myself called than a bureaucrat or a politician.
[40:54.880 --> 41:06.880]  And most of us would consider those alternate names dirty and I would still rather be called them than politician or bureaucrat.
[41:06.880 --> 41:19.880]  But the problem is these guys are clueless as to what the rights of the public are, what the law requires them to be doing to protect the rights of the public, and so on and so forth.
[41:19.880 --> 41:33.880]  They have absolutely no idea because they haven't read it. We have allowed them to make us believe they're the only ones capable of understanding it.
[41:33.880 --> 41:42.880]  Personally, I wouldn't give an attorney credit for knowing how to open a box of cereal.
[41:42.880 --> 41:51.880]  I don't think most of them could pour water out of a bucket if the instructions were written on the bottom.
[41:51.880 --> 42:01.880]  They're just that inept at simply doing something that is based upon common sense and logic.
[42:01.880 --> 42:16.880]  It's a certainty they're not getting it based upon the law because most of them will tell you quite clearly just by their actions and their responses that they don't have a clue what the law says.
[42:16.880 --> 42:23.880]  If they did, they wouldn't be trying to argue that it doesn't apply.
[42:23.880 --> 42:39.880]  At the seminar this weekend after this gentleman sent me the previous email where he brought to his attorney's attention that the criminal complaint that was filed against him in court was invalid.
[42:39.880 --> 42:45.880]  It did not meet the criteria of the Texas Constitution or the Texas statutes.
[42:45.880 --> 42:50.880]  It was not properly filed, and it contained erroneous information.
[42:50.880 --> 42:54.880]  Well, he told his attorney.
[42:54.880 --> 42:57.880]  The attorney said it doesn't matter if we complain about it.
[42:57.880 --> 43:01.880]  The state will just correct it and refile it.
[43:01.880 --> 43:05.880]  And I had to shake my head.
[43:05.880 --> 43:11.880]  And the question that I would like for you, Patrick, to ask your attorney is this.
[43:11.880 --> 43:28.880]  Is it your professional opinion and advice that I allow an obviously faulty complaint to be used against me to prosecute me in a criminal case?
[43:28.880 --> 43:38.880]  Is that your professional and legal advice as my legal counsel?
[43:38.880 --> 43:44.880]  That should tie his panties up in a bunch hard enough to choke him with it.
[43:44.880 --> 43:45.880]  All right, folks, we're going to break.
[43:45.880 --> 43:49.880]  This is Rule of Law Radio, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Hondo.
[43:49.880 --> 43:50.880]  We see you on the line there.
[43:50.880 --> 43:51.880]  Just hang on.
[43:51.880 --> 43:55.880]  We will be right back, 512-646-1984.
[43:55.880 --> 43:59.880]  Please give us a call.
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[46:00.880 --> 46:18.880]  If you did not have any problem, where are you going to look for one?
[46:18.880 --> 46:24.880]  If you could not wait any longer, would you prefer to die?
[46:24.880 --> 46:30.880]  Such a symptom of the soldier or warrior of love, scuffling the key to the key.
[46:30.880 --> 46:33.880]  All they're taking is a misunderstanding.
[46:33.880 --> 46:35.880]  Somebody calls the police.
[46:35.880 --> 46:59.880]  Why don't the sparks fly?
[46:59.880 --> 47:21.880]  All right, folks, this is Rule of Law Radio, Eddie Craig, Deb Stevens.
[47:21.880 --> 47:23.880]  We are back.
[47:23.880 --> 47:26.880]  Okay, we have Hondo on the line.
[47:26.880 --> 47:28.880]  Mr. Hondo, how are you?
[47:28.880 --> 47:29.880]  I'm good.
[47:29.880 --> 47:30.880]  How are you, Eddie?
[47:30.880 --> 47:31.880]  I'm good.
[47:31.880 --> 47:33.880]  It was a pleasure meeting you this weekend, by the way.
[47:33.880 --> 47:34.880]  Yes, sir.
[47:34.880 --> 47:36.880]  I enjoyed being there.
[47:36.880 --> 47:45.880]  And I tell you what, I want to be a testament to what you can get out of the seminar materials.
[47:45.880 --> 47:52.880]  And I want to let everybody know that I'm not into this to get out of tickets.
[47:52.880 --> 47:56.880]  I'm not into this to try to be an outlaw and get away with it.
[47:56.880 --> 48:01.880]  That's not my attitude and that shouldn't be the attitude, and that's not the point.
[48:01.880 --> 48:11.880]  The point is that we face a criminal government on so many different levels that it's hard to even imagine when you get into it.
[48:11.880 --> 48:21.880]  If you listen to Alex Jones like I do, your blood boils when you realize how criminal these folks are.
[48:21.880 --> 48:25.880]  And I have a hard time.
[48:25.880 --> 48:30.880]  I drive a lot, and I have a hard time traveling up and down the road without being harassed by cops.
[48:30.880 --> 48:40.880]  And I've got tickets scattered all over Texas, and it's almost impossible for me to get to everyone.
[48:40.880 --> 48:56.880]  And the reason I called tonight is because I have, in Lexington, I got pulled over and issued a citation for nothing more than driving with license suspended.
[48:56.880 --> 49:09.880]  And the citation, the date that I was supposed to appear before was actually before the date I actually got stopped.
[49:09.880 --> 49:13.880]  So it was impossible to make it there before the date listed on the citation.
[49:13.880 --> 49:19.880]  So I called the court and I said, hey, what are we going to do about this?
[49:19.880 --> 49:22.880]  And they said, well, we sent you a letter in the mail to correct that.
[49:22.880 --> 49:24.880]  And I said, well, I never got it.
[49:24.880 --> 49:28.880]  And that's true because I only go home about every two weeks.
[49:28.880 --> 49:40.880]  But anyway, so they sent me another one, another letter in the mail that says State of Texas v. Hondo Davis docket number.
[49:40.880 --> 49:47.880]  And it says it's a pretrial dated, I'm supposed to be there December 8th at 9 a.m.
[49:47.880 --> 49:55.880]  And it says, at this conference, you must dispose of all pretrial matters, including but not limited to the following,
[49:55.880 --> 50:00.880]  exceptions to the compliant motions for continuance and the whole list of things.
[50:00.880 --> 50:07.880]  And it says any other pretrial issues requested by either party.
[50:07.880 --> 50:22.880]  And then it also says that somewhere it said that I had to have all pretrial motions in seven days before the court date.
[50:22.880 --> 50:25.880]  And I just wanted to ask you, are you all still there?
[50:25.880 --> 50:27.880]  Yeah, we're here.
[50:27.880 --> 50:29.880]  Okay.
[50:29.880 --> 50:42.880]  I just wanted to ask you if I do, in fact, have to have any motions in seven days before the pretrial.
[50:42.880 --> 50:46.880]  I mean, let's see.
[50:46.880 --> 50:48.880]  The date on the letter is the 8th.
[50:48.880 --> 50:50.880]  When did you receive it?
[50:50.880 --> 50:53.880]  Well, I just picked it up today.
[50:53.880 --> 50:55.880]  When is it postmarked?
[50:55.880 --> 51:02.880]  It is postmarked, November 16th.
[51:02.880 --> 51:04.880]  Okay.
[51:04.880 --> 51:05.880]  Okay.
[51:05.880 --> 51:14.880]  Well, legally speaking, they've at least got the proper amount of time because they've given you no less than 20 days to get it done.
[51:14.880 --> 51:15.880]  Right.
[51:15.880 --> 51:24.880]  So all they're saying is that they're not going to take a look at any motions that are filed within the seven days.
[51:24.880 --> 51:33.880]  The problem here, however, is even though it was mailed on those days, you said it was sent certified mail or it was not?
[51:33.880 --> 51:36.880]  It was sent certified return receipt.
[51:36.880 --> 51:40.880]  And that's why I didn't get it because I'm only there on the weekends if I'm at home.
[51:40.880 --> 51:44.880]  And post office, I had to go pick it up at the post office.
[51:44.880 --> 51:45.880]  Okay.
[51:45.880 --> 51:46.880]  So that's the day you signed for it.
[51:46.880 --> 51:47.880]  When was that?
[51:47.880 --> 51:49.880]  It was today.
[51:49.880 --> 51:50.880]  Okay.
[51:50.880 --> 51:52.880]  Then that's the problem.
[51:52.880 --> 51:57.880]  They can't limit you to the seven days if you did not receive the mail before today.
[51:57.880 --> 52:00.880]  You have no less than 10 days prior to trial.
[52:00.880 --> 52:07.880]  Now, you remember one of the other things we covered Saturday, do you not, Hondo, regarding the complaint?
[52:07.880 --> 52:08.880]  Right.
[52:08.880 --> 52:20.880]  You're entitled to have a copy of that complaint no less than 10 days prior to any proceeding in the conviction or in the process.
[52:20.880 --> 52:22.880]  Whether it's pretrial, anything.
[52:22.880 --> 52:23.880]  Do what?
[52:23.880 --> 52:24.880]  Right.
[52:24.880 --> 52:26.880]  Any proceeding whatsoever, pretrial.
[52:26.880 --> 52:28.880]  Any proceeding whatsoever.
[52:28.880 --> 52:34.880]  That's exactly how the statute reads.
[52:34.880 --> 52:35.880]  Okay.
[52:35.880 --> 52:44.880]  So they would have had to amend it if, let's say, they wanted to use my original citation as a complaint like they usually do,
[52:44.880 --> 52:53.880]  they would have had to amend that original complaint because it was faulty and provide me with a copy thereof.
[52:53.880 --> 52:56.880]  That's correct.
[52:56.880 --> 53:02.880]  But the problem is, as you well know, the citation is not a complaint, does not meet the requisites of a complaint,
[53:02.880 --> 53:05.880]  and you cannot plead to a citation.
[53:05.880 --> 53:06.880]  Right.
[53:06.880 --> 53:07.880]  Okay.
[53:07.880 --> 53:13.880]  So the first thing you're going to want to know is what's in the court record, of course.
[53:13.880 --> 53:14.880]  Right.
[53:14.880 --> 53:25.880]  And if there is no actual signed and verified complaint in the court record, then you file a judicial conduct complaint against the judge for calling you to court.
[53:25.880 --> 53:29.880]  Now, who signed the summons?
[53:29.880 --> 53:33.880]  It is, it's actually not signed at all.
[53:33.880 --> 53:37.880]  It just says thank you, municipal court judge.
[53:37.880 --> 53:39.880]  It's not signed?
[53:39.880 --> 53:42.880]  It's not signed whatsoever.
[53:42.880 --> 53:44.880]  Not even like a...
[53:44.880 --> 53:45.880]  Okay.
[53:45.880 --> 53:49.880]  Well, let's talk about more gross stupidity here then.
[53:49.880 --> 53:55.880]  What did we study this Saturday regarding the issuance of a capus in the summons?
[53:55.880 --> 54:01.880]  They're absolutely required to be sent out by the court in written form.
[54:01.880 --> 54:03.880]  Are they not?
[54:03.880 --> 54:04.880]  Mm-hmm.
[54:04.880 --> 54:13.880]  And in that written form, one of the things that's required, let me see if I can find it in the thing here.
[54:13.880 --> 54:14.880]  Let's see.
[54:14.880 --> 54:25.880]  In our motion, we have a valid summons in 23.04 Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.
[54:25.880 --> 54:31.880]  In misdemeanor cases, the capus or summons shall issue from a court having jurisdiction of the case.
[54:31.880 --> 54:41.880]  The summons shall be issued only upon request of the attorney representing the state and shall follow the same form and procedure as in a felony case.
[54:41.880 --> 54:49.880]  Now, in a felony case, 23.03A says the following.
[54:49.880 --> 54:58.880]  A capus shall be issued by the district clerk upon each indictment for felony presented after bail has been set or denied by the judge of the court.
[54:58.880 --> 55:04.880]  Upon the request of the attorney representing the state, a summons shall be issued by the district clerk.
[55:04.880 --> 55:13.880]  The capus or summons shall be delivered by the clerk or mailed to the sheriff of the county where the defendant resides or is to be found.
[55:13.880 --> 55:18.880]  So this was not hand-delivered by the sheriff, was it?
[55:18.880 --> 55:19.880]  No, sir.
[55:19.880 --> 55:22.880]  It wasn't issued by, well, I don't know if it was.
[55:22.880 --> 55:27.880]  And there's no stamp on it showing that it was issued by a court, correct?
[55:27.880 --> 55:31.880]  Well, it's on the municipal court letterhead.
[55:31.880 --> 55:38.880]  Regardless of that, there's no stamp and signature certifying it as being originated within the court, is there?
[55:38.880 --> 55:40.880]  No, not at all.
[55:40.880 --> 55:46.880]  Okay. Now, there's nothing in the statute that says that has to be there, but let's think about this logically.
[55:46.880 --> 56:00.880]  How can it be issued by a court having jurisdiction if it is not signed and stamped as an actual process summoned from the court?
[56:00.880 --> 56:01.880]  Right.
[56:01.880 --> 56:06.880]  Okay. Then we have 23.03C.
[56:06.880 --> 56:18.880]  The summons shall be in the same form as the capus except that it shall summon the defendant to appear before the proper court at a stated time and place.
[56:18.880 --> 56:25.880]  So this document you have doesn't have any of those requirements, does it?
[56:25.880 --> 56:28.880]  No, not at all.
[56:28.880 --> 56:35.880]  Okay. And 23.03B, upon the request of the attorney, or I'm sorry, I've got that.
[56:35.880 --> 56:40.880]  Yeah, upon the request of the attorney representing the state, a summons instead of a capus shall issue.
[56:40.880 --> 56:45.880]  If a defendant fails to appear in response to the summons, a capus shall issue.
[56:45.880 --> 56:53.880]  Okay. So where does the proof the prosecuting attorney for the state requested this document be sent to you?
[56:53.880 --> 57:00.880]  It doesn't even say it in the body if anything like that.
[57:00.880 --> 57:05.880]  Yeah, exactly. That's part of the problem.
[57:05.880 --> 57:19.880]  Now, 23.02, the requisites, this is for a capus, okay, and requisites of a summons.
[57:19.880 --> 57:28.880]  Yeah, the capus is supposed to be just like, or the summons is supposed to be just like the capus according to what the statute says.
[57:28.880 --> 57:31.880]  So this is what it should have on it.
[57:31.880 --> 57:40.880]  Just like the capus, the requirements are that it run in the name of the state of Texas, that it name the person whose arrest is ordered,
[57:40.880 --> 57:53.880]  or if unknown, describe him, or in this case, who's being summoned, that it specify the offense of which the defendant is accused, and it appear thereby that he is accused of some offense against the penal laws of the state,
[57:53.880 --> 58:02.880]  that it name the court to which and the time when it is returnable, and that it be dated and attested officially by the authority issuing the same.
[58:02.880 --> 58:06.880]  In other words, it needs to be signed and stamped by the court.
[58:06.880 --> 58:14.880]  And it doesn't say anything about what the cause is at all, the charge.
[58:14.880 --> 58:17.880]  Probably not. That would sound about right.
[58:17.880 --> 58:23.880]  Okay. Well, folks, this is another prime example of how they're short-cutting everything.
[58:23.880 --> 58:25.880]  What were you saying, Hondo?
[58:25.880 --> 58:30.880]  Oh, I'm just beside myself. It's just ridiculous.
[58:30.880 --> 58:36.880]  Okay. Well, hang on just a second, Hondo. We're about to go to break top of the hour, so we'll be back in about three or four minutes.
[58:36.880 --> 58:40.880]  Everybody, this is Rule of Law Radio, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[58:40.880 --> 58:45.880]  512-646 is the call-in number. Susan, Rick, Patrick, we see you on the line.
[58:45.880 --> 58:51.880]  Please hang on there, and we will pick you up as soon as we finish with Hondo on the other side of the break. Shouldn't be but just a minute.
[58:51.880 --> 58:59.880]  All right, folks, we'll be right back.
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[01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:49.880]  All right, folks, we are back. Room of Law Radio. This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:58.880]  We have Hondo on the line. We're going to face off with Hondo and then move down to Susan. All right, Hondo.
[01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:16.880]  Okay. I was looking over the break and the only reference, the new summons sent by mail does reference the original citation by listing the docket number.
[01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:26.880]  But, I mean, on there I still don't know the nature and cause because all it says is DWLI and then in parentheses it says FTA,
[01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:33.880]  which I can only assume that driving while license inactive for failure to appear.
[01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:37.880]  It will be driving while license in balance what they're going to try to charge you with.
[01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:43.880]  The problem is, okay, what's up with your license as far as that goes?
[01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:48.880]  Failure to appear. They suspended it for failure to appear.
[01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.880]  Oh, goody. When did they do this?
[01:04:52.880 --> 01:05:00.880]  Oh, it's been like that for a long time. I've gotten numerous citations. In fact, I just got one about an hour ago.
[01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:05.880]  I probably have five of these citations so far.
[01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:16.880]  Okay. Well, that's good because according to the law they can't issue an order on that until the case has been adjudicated.
[01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:29.880]  So failure to appear does not give them the authority to suspend your license or to issue the information to the Department of Public Safety regarding your license.
[01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:30.880]  Really?
[01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.880]  Really.
[01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:35.880]  Wow.
[01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:42.880]  The statute says very clearly that upon a judicial determination and disposition,
[01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.880]  well, there has been no judicial determination made. There's been no trial.
[01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:56.880]  And in a criminal action, they can't try you in absentia.
[01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:02.880]  Is that in the transportation code?
[01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:12.880]  Well, no, that's in the code of criminal procedure. But part of it's in the transportation code, yes, regarding the suspension of licenses, how it comes about.
[01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:22.880]  But then you've also got the code of criminal procedure that says how they adjudicate the case, none of which they ever do in accordance with law.
[01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:26.880]  Right.
[01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:35.880]  It'll take a little bit of research to piece it together, which I'll be more than happy to help as much as I can in doing that with you.
[01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:46.880]  But yeah, at this point, you definitely have cannon fodder to fire in their general direction.
[01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:58.880]  I can't decide if I just want to ignore this and let them arrest me if they want to or if I really want to drive all the way to Lexington.
[01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:05.880]  Well, the thing about it is you have not been properly served again. And do you have the seminar material?
[01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:06.880]  Yes, sir.
[01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:13.880]  Okay. The new motion number one, you have the updated motions, right?
[01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.880]  I'm not sure if I do or not.
[01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:27.880]  Okay. Send me another contact email, Hondo, and I'll send you the updated motions. And you need to file motion one and constructive notice number one ASAP.
[01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:28.880]  Okay.
[01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:30.880]  Okay.
[01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.880]  And I can send that to the court certified return receipt requested.
[01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:49.880]  That's correct. And don't do it any other way. At the same time, file an open records request demanding copies of everything that's in your file, whether it be in the computer or in the actual hard copy record.
[01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:57.880]  Okay. Let's work on that first. Get that email to me and I'll send that to you. Is that all we can do for you this evening?
[01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:11.880]  Great work. I appreciate all those help. And like I said, I do want to confirm that the seminar is great. People get after it. Quit letting these guys run all over us. Wake up. Snap out of it.
[01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:20.880]  We have the right to travel. They're putting people on no-fly lists. They're just criminals. Get after them.
[01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:25.880]  Thanks, Hondo. We appreciate that. Thanks for calling in.
[01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:28.880]  Sure. Go ahead.
[01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:33.880]  All right. Let's go to Susan. Susan, what can we do for you this evening?
[01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:40.880]  Hi, Eddie. We talked last week, last Monday, about me getting what was in my file at the municipal court.
[01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.880]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:51.880]  I went Friday to the municipal court. I talked with the municipal court administrator who supervises 21 people that are court clerks.
[01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:55.880]  She's the main lady. She opens the doors to the building.
[01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:57.880]  Okay.
[01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:10.880]  She said that she has absolutely nothing for me. No file. And I said, well, is there anything on your computer regarding my incident?
[01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:15.880]  She said, well, come with me. We went to a little girl that was running a computer.
[01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:23.880]  She told her my name and told her the incident number of the accident. And she put it in and nothing came up.
[01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:30.880]  So they have absolutely nothing on me. She just looked at me like, what are you doing here? Why isn't it?
[01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:41.880]  You know, she looked at the original accident report, which was supposed to have been the incident report when the accident occurred.
[01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:52.880]  She looked at that. She read on there that I had DWLI, driving law license, invalid, and no financial responsibility, no insurance.
[01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:57.880]  Susan, would you hold the phone just a little bit further away from your mouth, please? It's tending to whistle on you a bit when you talk.
[01:09:57.880 --> 01:09:59.880]  Okay. I'm sorry.
[01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:01.880]  No, that's okay. Please continue.
[01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:13.880]  Okay. So she had nothing. Eddie, when I first, the day after the accident, the woman ran the red light and ran into me,
[01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:20.880]  hit me right on my driver's door, totaled my car out, bent the frame, sent me to the hospital.
[01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:27.880]  I was unconscious for like five hours. When I woke up, I called my brother.
[01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:31.880]  He came to get me, and they released me from the hospital. I went home.
[01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:41.880]  The next day, I called an attorney's office, and they sent a lady out, and she signed me up to have them help me with this case.
[01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:49.880]  I called today because I hadn't heard from him. The attorney told me personally that he was not going to represent me,
[01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.880]  and I asked him to send me a copy of everything he had in my file.
[01:10:53.880 --> 01:11:03.880]  He said the insurance claims adjuster for the person that hit me had determined that it was not their client's fault,
[01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:07.880]  that it was my fault, and so therefore, they weren't going to represent me.
[01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:12.880]  So I've got just a bad problem. What do I need to do?
[01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:14.880]  What does the police report say?
[01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:22.880]  The police report said that I claimed that she ran the red light and that she claimed that I ran the red light.
[01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:24.880]  What did the other witnesses say?
[01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:32.880]  There were no other witnesses there. It was her and her vehicle, me and my vehicle. It was 15 minutes until 11.
[01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:39.880]  Are there traffic cameras at this location on top of the lights or on any of the poles or anything like that?
[01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:47.880]  No, there sure aren't. There is a toot and totem there, and that points at the gas pumps,
[01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:56.880]  and their gas pumps are right there. They're right on the corner, and I was thinking maybe they would have something there from their file, from their camera.
[01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:04.880]  I told the lawyer about it, and he said, oh, that's a long shot. She says that you ran it.
[01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:11.880]  Well, you go and get that video. Whether your lawyer wants it or not, go get that video.
[01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:18.880]  So I called, and I tried to tell the attorney before. See, he just fired me today.
[01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:27.880]  I mean, he just said, I'm not helping you today. He just told me today he would be sending me a letter that said that he's not going to represent me,
[01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:35.880]  and I said, well, then send me a copy of everything that you have in your file and everything you have on your computer concerning my case,
[01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:46.880]  and I want to know what. I don't want any presumptions. I want the facts, how this person from this claims representative company for insurance,
[01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:57.880]  how that person came to the assumption that I was the person at fault, and I have since written him a letter also telling him I didn't want any presumptions.
[01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:02.880]  I wanted the facts, and they sent me a copy of everything on how he came to that conclusion
[01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:10.880]  and a copy of everything that he had in this file about what happened during the accident and everything like that.
[01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:26.880]  I called the convenience store, and I told them that I had been in an accident and that I would like to have a copy of their film for that day,
[01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:37.880]  and they told me I'd have to go through the police department to obtain a copy of their tape.
[01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:39.880]  Why is that?
[01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:47.880]  I have no idea. That just sounded idiotic to me too, Eddie. When I heard that, I just was like, this makes no sense at all.
[01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:53.880]  It makes no sense at all for the attorney to tell me that he would help me, and then all of a sudden,
[01:13:53.880 --> 01:14:02.880]  the attorney's telling me to talk to the claims adjuster about the wreck, and I was like, that didn't make any sense to me either.
[01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:12.880]  Well, one of the things I'd recommend you do is go down and see if you can get a court order for discovery from a district court in your area
[01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:17.880]  where your case would be filed if you were going to get it filed soon.
[01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:29.880]  Go down and see if you can get an order of discovery that you can file on this tootin' totem, whatever it is, for a copy of that video.
[01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:34.880]  Okay. Also, Eddie...
[01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.880]  Whatever you did with your phone, we can't hear you right now.
[01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:48.880]  Okay. Can you hear me now? There you go. Okay. It's very clear from the vehicles, looking at the vehicles, who hit who.
[01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:49.880]  Now, she was able to...
[01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:54.880]  Well, the who hit who is not the issue here. The issue here is the timing of the lights at the intersection.
[01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:55.880]  Okay.
[01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:00.880]  She could have hit you, and you'd still be at fault. That doesn't change anything.
[01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:08.880]  That's what the video's got to show is what color light was at the intersection when this accident occurred, if it saw it at all.
[01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:17.880]  Okay. And then if it didn't see it, is there anything that I could do?
[01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:21.880]  At this point, it's your word against the other individuals.
[01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:22.880]  Right.
[01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:27.880]  If you don't have anything more substantial than that, then you guys are going to have to...
[01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:32.880]  Eddie, I was in the middle of the road when she hit me.
[01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:35.880]  Okay. But again, Susan, you're talking about that doesn't matter.
[01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.880]  Okay.
[01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:43.880]  She could have run the light to hit you. You could have run the light to get hit. You see what I'm saying?
[01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:44.880]  Yes.
[01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:54.880]  Where you are in the road is irrelevant if the light doesn't agree with you, and you can't prove the light agreed with you, and they can't prove the light agreed with them.
[01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.880]  Okay.
[01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:06.880]  Without something other than your own words against each other here, a witness something, it's one against the other as to what did or didn't happen.
[01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:09.880]  Okay.
[01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:20.880]  So that being the way it is, without a video or somebody that saw it, this is a fight that either one of you would be hard pressed to win.
[01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:23.880]  Right. Okay.
[01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:30.880]  Well, I'll ask them to go do that. I'll go to the district court. I'll get an order of discovery for a copy of the tape.
[01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.880]  Pre-trial discovery, an order for pre-trial discovery.
[01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:35.880]  Pre-trial discovery. Okay.
[01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:36.880]  Okay.
[01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:38.880]  All right, Eddie. Well, thank you for your help.
[01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:40.880]  Yes, ma'am. Thank you for calling in.
[01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:41.880]  Okay.
[01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:49.880]  All right, folks. This is Rule of Law Radio, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Monday night, traffic night, 512-646-1984.
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[01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:23.880]  Alright folks, we are back, Rule of Law Radio. We are getting a full collarboard. We're about to get busy here.
[01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:28.880]  We got Rick in California on the line. Mr. Rick, what can we do for you?
[01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:33.880]  How's it going? I just thought to say you guys are doing an awesome thing, of course.
[01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:38.880]  And I'm really happy to see that you're very, very knowledgeable, of course, in what you do.
[01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:44.880]  And that's very inspiring. Just wanted you to know that because not too many people take the time to do what you're doing.
[01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:45.880]  So thank you.
[01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.880]  Well, I appreciate that, Rick. But hey, you've got your hands full with the stuff that you're doing out there.
[01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:54.880]  I guess if I was going to toot my own horn, I'd say you're the me of California.
[01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.880]  I appreciate that.
[01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:02.880]  Yeah, you and you're one of the people that if you tell me it's okay,
[01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:06.880]  I'll be more than happy to refer some of the California folks your way so you can give them a hand.
[01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:10.880]  Because I do get calls and emails from several people in that direction needing help.
[01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.880]  Yeah, that'd be great. I'll do the same.
[01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:19.880]  Okay. All right. Well, I greatly appreciate that. And I appreciate the kudos. I really do. And keep up the good work, man,
[01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.880]  because you fight in the fight as well. So don't let them stop you.
[01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:29.880]  Thank you very much. And I want to say thanks to Deb and Randy, of course. You guys have a great night.
[01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.880]  Thanks, Rick. Appreciate it.
[01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:40.880]  All right. Okay. Now, Patrick in Texas, would this be Mr. Patrick of whom I have spoken of this evening?
[01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:41.880]  It is.
[01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:49.880]  It is. So your attorney was equally unimpressed with your ability to call him an idiot and get away with it, huh?
[01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:53.880]  Basically, yeah.
[01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:58.880]  Well, you will have to let me know what he thinks of that motion.
[01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:04.880]  Yeah, I'm going to send this out here in a few moments, and I'm going to blind copy you on it so you can see what's going on.
[01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:09.880]  Okay. Well, I'm going to send you the email that you originally sent me that I replied back to,
[01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:14.880]  breaking down the Code of Criminal Procedure regarding the complaint and everything.
[01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:18.880]  I reworked that into the material that I used for the seminar this past Saturday.
[01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:21.880]  I will send you the updated version of that.
[01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:27.880]  I did redact all of your personal information out of it when I created the handout, so we don't have any worries there.
[01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:33.880]  But basically, I used the emails that you and I were talking through to teach folks from this weekend.
[01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:40.880]  And so I greatly elaborated and detailed the original one from how I sent it to you.
[01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:41.880]  Okay.
[01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:51.880]  But I'll send that to you as soon as we're done with the show here so that you'll have it, and then you can take that and beat your attorney up with it.
[01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:56.880]  So, yeah, he ignored me all last week and kept trying to get a hold of him.
[01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:01.880]  He wasn't out. He clearly told me he was going to be there that week.
[01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:13.880]  And then, like I said in the email, he magically called within two hours after I told him I was going to bar-grieve him.
[01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:18.880]  So that tactic works. It worked in this case.
[01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.880]  Yeah. You motivate him quite well when you threaten that, don't you?
[01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:26.880]  Yeah, absolutely. And he was upset, clearly.
[01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:35.880]  He was angry. He was trying to suppress it, and then he was getting really argumentative and trying to tell me that he's the boss.
[01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:42.880]  And I corrected him a number of times when he tried to tell me that, you know, the key works for me is what I clarified to him.
[01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:43.880]  Exactly.
[01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.880]  And that worked pretty well.
[01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:53.880]  Yeah. These guys forget that they are in the service industry, as in serve us.
[01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:59.880]  Okay. You don't lone wolf it. You're not above the client. You work for the client.
[01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.880]  But see, the way they look at it is you're now their ward.
[01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:08.880]  That's what makes them the boss is you allowed yourself to become their ward.
[01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:13.880]  So we need to take that little fallacy and get it out of their minds in a hurry.
[01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:20.880]  And the threat of bar-grievance is how we're going to do that.
[01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:33.880]  I mean, he even tried to say he didn't enter a plea like I'm not going to understand that, you know, that I had all the records and he might have forgotten about that,
[01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:38.880]  or maybe he thought I didn't understand what all of it meant.
[01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:44.880]  I mean, I'm even looking at it right now, and he pled not guilty in his letter. You have copies of it, too.
[01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:45.880]  Oh, yes. I've seen it. He did.
[01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:52.880]  He entered a plea of not guilty without even bothering to see if there was actually a complaint.
[01:23:52.880 --> 01:24:01.880]  I pointed out the fact that that plea predates the complaint.
[01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.880]  Which isn't really a complaint from what I saw.
[01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:12.880]  Yeah. And then on top of that, if they want to try to argue it's a complaint, it's not for all, you know, numerous reasons.
[01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.880]  This is actually a question. I just figured this out tonight.
[01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:21.880]  I can't read the signature very well, but then I realized, well, if I search through the staff directory,
[01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:31.880]  maybe someone in the court signed it on that staff directory, and it's definitely the City of Round Rock.
[01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.880]  It's senior deputy court clerk's signature.
[01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:44.880]  So I don't know. They say anybody can file the complaint, but if they try to argue that this is a complaint on behalf of the state,
[01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:47.880]  I don't think it's valid for that reason either. Is that correct?
[01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:52.880]  Based upon what I sent you in the previous email regarding the form and function of it,
[01:24:52.880 --> 01:25:00.880]  it does not identify itself as a proper and valid complaint, nor does it identify itself as an information, which that's the problem.
[01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:11.880]  Depending upon which one it's attempting to be, there's different requisites as to how it must be done and who's allowed to sign it.
[01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:15.880]  And in this particular case, it doesn't say what it is.
[01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:21.880]  I'll be honest with you. At first, I was pretty skeptical that this is amazing.
[01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:23.880]  You were pretty skeptical in what way?
[01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:33.880]  I just thought it was more interpretation than it really was at first, and now I'm seeing that when you really look at the law
[01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:41.880]  and go through all the course material, we as individuals can understand the stuff. You don't have to be an expert.
[01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:44.880]  Right. That's exactly right. And it's written that way intentionally, as I said.
[01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:49.880]  It's right there in the first chapter of the Code of Criminal Procedure it's written that way.
[01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:54.880]  Our whole society is based on that. Everybody points to an expert for something.
[01:25:54.880 --> 01:26:00.880]  That's what Fox News and CNN and all that is based on is everybody thinks that it's an expert,
[01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:05.880]  and then they'll just go with that as the word of God or something.
[01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:09.880]  Yeah, until you prove the expert's not nearly the expert they think they are.
[01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:13.880]  Exactly. They're not experts.
[01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:18.880]  I firmly believe the term expert is an oxymoron.
[01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:20.880]  Yeah.
[01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:27.880]  Because it's just impossible. No one is an expert because things change too often,
[01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:35.880]  too drastically for anyone to remain an expert even if they were one at one time.
[01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:40.880]  But good. Keep riding herd on that attorney. Don't let him get out from under your thumb.
[01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:43.880]  Control him or he will sell you out.
[01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.880]  Definitely.
[01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:50.880]  Okay. Is there anything else we can do for you?
[01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:52.880]  No, that's it. I appreciate it.
[01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:56.880]  Well, I appreciate you calling in and I appreciate you talking to me about your issues
[01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:59.880]  and hopefully we can get you something working out here.
[01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:00.880]  Talk to you later.
[01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:02.880]  All right. Thanks, Patrick.
[01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:03.880]  Bye.
[01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:08.880]  All right. Now we have Gary in Texas. Gary, how are you doing?
[01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:10.880]  Hey, Eddie. How are you doing this evening?
[01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:14.880]  Good. I was hoping that was you. I've tried to call you several times this week
[01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.880]  and I keep getting no answer or a full mailbox.
[01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:19.880]  Yeah, I know. I know.
[01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:21.880]  You're real popular.
[01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:27.880]  I know. I'm sorry. Hey, I went in last Wednesday to the Department of Public Safety office
[01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:34.880]  to get a Texas ID and while I was there I thought I'd go ahead and renew the Texas driver's license
[01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:40.880]  and I'd say not because I use one. It's just I want to have a reason to mess with them.
[01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:41.880]  All right.
[01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:48.880]  So anyway, I get up to the deal and, you know, mess with the forms
[01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:54.880]  and then I'm ready to sign my signature and the lady stops me and says,
[01:27:54.880 --> 01:28:02.880]  you can't sign it that way and I always put a caveat with my signature.
[01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:07.880]  You know, some people do various things. I've got court documents and everything else
[01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:11.880]  and I sign my signature a certain way every time
[01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:17.880]  and she says, no, you can't do that. You can only put your name in there
[01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:21.880]  and I said, well, you asked me for a signature and that's what I'm putting
[01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:26.880]  and I said, you don't have the authority to tell me or prescribe what my signature is.
[01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:30.880]  Well, she tore that sheet of paper up, gave me another one, said do it again.
[01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.880]  So I did. I wrote down the same thing. She said, no, you can't do that. She tore that up.
[01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.880]  I said, I need to see a supervisor. Long story short, supervisor says,
[01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:44.880]  no, you can't do anything except sign just your name, period.
[01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:52.880]  That's it. So you don't want my legal signature. You want my name.
[01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:57.880]  So anyway, thought about this and I thought, well, I think that they probably racked up
[01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:03.880]  a few criminal violations there, one of which I think is official oppression.
[01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:06.880]  The other one is conspiracy to commit official oppression.
[01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:12.880]  And I thought we might do a little brainstorm and figure out some other things that they did.
[01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:18.880]  Well, by any chance, did you ask them to produce the statute regarding that case?
[01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:23.880]  Yes, I certainly did. Yes, I said, what is the statute that gives you the authority
[01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:30.880]  to prohibit me from exercising my right to display my lawful signature?
[01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.880]  She says, well, I don't know. That's just because there isn't one.
[01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:38.880]  Right. Okay, Gary, we're about to go to break. Can you hang on to that side?
[01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:40.880]  Oh, gladly. Yes, absolutely.
[01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:44.880]  All right. Hang on there. We'll be right back. This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens,
[01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:50.880]  Rule of Law Radio, 512-646-1984 is the call-in number.
[01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:59.880]  We have a half an hour left. Please give us a call. We'll be right back.
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[01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.880]  What causes hiccups and how can you get rid of them?
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[01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:17.880]  Hiccups are caused by quick and voluntary contractions of the diaphragm.
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[01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:42.880]  Hiccups that won't go away could signal a serious medical condition.
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[01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:52.880]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:13.880]  Hi folks, we are back. Rule of Law Radio.
[01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:17.880]  We have this segment and one more, a half an hour left in the show.
[01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:19.880]  We have Gary of Texas on the line.
[01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:22.880]  Okay, Gary, please continue.
[01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:30.880]  Well, I was prohibited from signing my legal signature.
[01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:34.880]  The document that I was signing was ripped up twice.
[01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:39.880]  And I was told that she didn't know the statute.
[01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:44.880]  And when I challenged her on that, saying that there isn't a statute, she said, well, that's just the way we do it.
[01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:47.880]  If you don't do it, you have to get out of line.
[01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:53.880]  Of course, this is after I've been there for two and a half hours, you know, to get these documents done.
[01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.880]  So I am going to file criminal charges against them.
[01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:59.880]  I do have the names of the people.
[01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:05.880]  And I'm going to need a little bit of thinking power to figure out exactly what they did wrong that evening.
[01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:10.880]  Well, go into the statutes regarding the issuance of a driver's license by the department,
[01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:17.880]  which will be in the administrative code under Title 37 and in the code of criminal, I'm sorry, the transportation code.
[01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:18.880]  Okay.
[01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:23.880]  And it will tell you specifically how that stuff is supposed to be handled.
[01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:31.880]  And if there is no statute or internal rule regarding that particular usage of your signature, they have no leg to stand on.
[01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:39.880]  They have deprived you of a right benefit or privilege without any real reason to do so.
[01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.880]  Correct.
[01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:52.880]  Well, you know, it's interesting because I'm familiar with an attorney general decision that was done when John Cornyn was attorney general.
[01:33:52.880 --> 01:34:01.880]  And he discussed the various statements that people write below their signature on documents.
[01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:02.880]  Right.
[01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:07.880]  And he recommended that those, he didn't state that this was an attorney general ruling,
[01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:14.880]  but he recommended that agencies not accept those signatures with the caveats underneath the signature.
[01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:20.880]  And I never do always put them above and then I sign, you know, the proper way because I'm attesting to that caveat.
[01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:21.880]  Right.
[01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:26.880]  Well, the problem they have is even the attorney general's opinion does not constitute law.
[01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:29.880]  His opinion has to be based on law.
[01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:30.880]  Correct.
[01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:39.880]  And so if there is no law stated in that particular opinion or perusal that he made, then there isn't one.
[01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:40.880]  Right. And there isn't.
[01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:41.880]  Okay.
[01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:42.880]  Yeah.
[01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:43.880]  All right.
[01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:47.880]  Well, if you'll get with me offline, Gary, I'll be happy to brainstorm with you on that as much as we can.
[01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:49.880]  Let's have a little fun.
[01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:51.880]  All right.
[01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:52.880]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:53.880]  You bet.
[01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:54.880]  All right.
[01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:55.880]  Bye-bye.
[01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:56.880]  Bye.
[01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:57.880]  All right.
[01:34:57.880 --> 01:34:59.880]  Now let's go to Joel in Texas.
[01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:04.880]  Joel, how can we help you?
[01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:11.880]  Joel?
[01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:14.880]  Well, I guess we don't have Joel out there.
[01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.880]  Okay.
[01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.880]  Joel in Pennsylvania.
[01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:24.880]  And Eddie, I want to first off say it's an honor to be speaking to you for the first time.
[01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:25.880]  Well, thank you.
[01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:27.880]  I appreciate that.
[01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:29.880]  Okay.
[01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:33.880]  Basically, I had a little incident about two and a half weeks ago.
[01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:36.880]  I like to call it Program Agent Smith.
[01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:42.880]  A police officer tried to offer me a presentment when I was parked in a meter.
[01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:49.880]  And he stopped me before, like two months prior to that questioning me because, you know,
[01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:52.880]  I had my hazard lights on trying to fix my car.
[01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:56.880]  So I put him on notice that has not required me to have a license.
[01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:01.880]  I have all my declarations on me and possibly, you know,
[01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:06.880]  he tried to put his fancy protocol with the regulations and I said, okay,
[01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:10.880]  I'm more than willing to honor what you're saying on, you know,
[01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:16.880]  but, you know, I just told him it's not required me to even say anything to you.
[01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:22.880]  But recently, about two weeks ago, he came again, I'm parked in a meter.
[01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:25.880]  He told me right away, he didn't even ask for my license or nothing.
[01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:28.880]  He said, your license expired.
[01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:31.880]  And I said, then I tell you things like, and I had it on tape.
[01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:34.880]  I videotaped everything, of course.
[01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:38.880]  And he said, well, I already talked to you before on this and that.
[01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:42.880]  And I said, look, I am exempt from all this.
[01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:44.880]  I'm not required to have a license.
[01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:46.880]  I don't pay insurance or nothing like that.
[01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:48.880]  I'm not even required to register.
[01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:49.880]  Here's my information.
[01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:52.880]  And for your consideration, I did him a favor.
[01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:55.880]  I said, let me give you a copy of memorandum.
[01:36:55.880 --> 01:37:01.880]  So what happened was he looked at the information,
[01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:04.880]  came back with like a pair of face.
[01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:07.880]  He said, how did you get all this immunity?
[01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:09.880]  And I basically told him that I believe in God.
[01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:11.880]  He's my Messiah.
[01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:15.880]  I went to my cross on my, and I followed the basic instructions.
[01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:18.880]  And he said, did you do a deal with the government?
[01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:20.880]  And I was like, no.
[01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:21.880]  I didn't say no.
[01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:22.880]  I didn't say yes or no.
[01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:27.880]  I said, well, I did a treaty of peace with the UPU.
[01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:29.880]  Now I'm speaking to a private attorney general
[01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:32.880]  and also a private postmaster general.
[01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:37.880]  And he looked at my security party ID, and he was interested
[01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:39.880]  in knowing how I get all this immunity.
[01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:42.880]  He constantly, he was like in shock to notice that.
[01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:46.880]  He can't even give me a ticket.
[01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:47.880]  He went back.
[01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:48.880]  It was a whole bunch of patrol cars.
[01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:49.880]  My wife got all scared.
[01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:50.880]  She started crying.
[01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:52.880]  She doesn't understand anything I'm doing.
[01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:53.880]  She doesn't understand anything.
[01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:56.880]  That's a good thing, but I'm not going to try to drill that to her.
[01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:58.880]  She's thinking I was going to get arrested.
[01:37:58.880 --> 01:37:59.880]  I try to calm her down, take her back.
[01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:00.880]  They cannot arrest me.
[01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:01.880]  They arrest me.
[01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:04.880]  They are committing the most highest crime in the world.
[01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:07.880]  I did a contract with this guy, Kelly, that I say.
[01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:13.880]  I did a lot of studies at the UCC and all this stuff.
[01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:18.880]  At the end of it, at the end of the offer, because the captain came in.
[01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:21.880]  The captain spoke to me.
[01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:25.880]  He told me, let me tell you in a language that you can understand.
[01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:29.880]  You're never getting the highest fees as a pirate.
[01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:32.880]  I was like, okay.
[01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:38.880]  What happened was basically he took the car.
[01:38:38.880 --> 01:38:40.880]  He didn't bond it.
[01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:43.880]  I put my name on the documents then.
[01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:45.880]  Are you guys insured you bonded whatever his name is?
[01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.880]  They told me about how the precinct is supposed to be insured
[01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:52.880]  or fidelity insured or whatever.
[01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:54.880]  I said, sure.
[01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:58.880]  I'll sign this on the TTC.
[01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.880]  I signed it all up the way he kept it and the reservations and all.
[01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:04.880]  Basically, he took my plate and put it back, whatever.
[01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:06.880]  I never received any mail.
[01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:08.880]  He got a citation.
[01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:10.880]  He said he was going to try to give me some citations and stuff.
[01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:14.880]  He needed me to come to the office in a couple days and talk to me and stuff.
[01:39:14.880 --> 01:39:17.880]  Basically, he wanted me to school him and minister him how I got all the
[01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:22.880]  community supposedly so that he can understand how I did this.
[01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:24.880]  I was like, no, I'm not going to go there.
[01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:30.880]  I'm not going to receive any citations in the mail because I could come know this.
[01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:35.880]  I already put reservations because he gave me all the answers I needed by way
[01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:37.880]  of questioning me.
[01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:39.880]  I got a question for you, though, Chuck.
[01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:44.880]  On this, they're saying you have all this immunity, but they took your car.
[01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:46.880]  Yes.
[01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:50.880]  On what authority, if they had nothing they could issue a citation on,
[01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:53.880]  how did they take the car?
[01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:58.880]  Well, the accountant, he came in there and he told me they could try to speak
[01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.880]  because he already knows because what happened was I had the plate.
[01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.880]  I had my nail plates on there.
[01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:09.880]  When they were questioning me, they didn't know it,
[01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:13.880]  but they were giving me answers by way of questioning what I did wrong.
[01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:14.880]  I didn't disclose what they did.
[01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:16.880]  I didn't disclose nothing to them.
[01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:22.880]  What I did right away within less than 10 minutes, I made a reservation.
[01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:24.880]  I went straight to the accounting recorder.
[01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:26.880]  I non-partunked everything.
[01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:29.880]  I put on my UCC, chief occupant, executive, financial director,
[01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:31.880]  the office of the private trust that the state had written,
[01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:34.880]  but then ordained, granted trust, the bailer, the rules, security exchange,
[01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:37.880]  144A, owner, holder.
[01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:42.880]  So all the criterias of status and the security exchange, UCC codes,
[01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:49.880]  they said I ordered everything back with my partially and my pictures of my car.
[01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:52.880]  I got diplomatic plates on the car now.
[01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:53.880]  I know what the meaning is.
[01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:55.880]  I listened to Maria very well.
[01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:57.880]  I don't know if you know her or not.
[01:40:57.880 --> 01:40:58.880]  No, I don't.
[01:40:58.880 --> 01:40:59.880]  Hello?
[01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:01.880]  No, I don't listen to her.
[01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:03.880]  I don't know who that is.
[01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:05.880]  Okay, WABN, I also put that in.
[01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:07.880]  I put photos of it.
[01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:09.880]  I put my bill of conveyance in there.
[01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:13.880]  I never gave her my documentation pertaining to the car
[01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:17.880]  because that was so exposed evidence of a contract that was existent,
[01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:19.880]  and I knew that, so I wanted to engage in that.
[01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:24.880]  I know, I didn't want to, back in my mind, I was thinking about King, okay?
[01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:26.880]  When I think about this guy, I realize what happened.
[01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.880]  I know we all know what really happened.
[01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:31.880]  I'm not going to discuss that, but at the end of all that,
[01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:37.880]  I found out that let me go into peace and honor here,
[01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:40.880]  because I'm being assessed every three months to determine if I'm hostile.
[01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:41.880]  I'm not smart.
[01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:46.880]  I just eat the material.
[01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:51.880]  I'm going to put it after David's declaration of certification of certificate of service.
[01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:53.880]  It's going as far as the Netflix.
[01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:55.880]  It's going to the IRS.
[01:41:55.880 --> 01:41:58.880]  It's going to the governor, UCC and police chief,
[01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:03.880]  senior federal judges, attorney general, commissioners of the city, chief, police, state, everything.
[01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:11.880]  And they're going to be on notice pursuant to 18 U.S.C. statute 514, U.S. code section 514.
[01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:13.880]  Okay, well, I can appreciate all that.
[01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:17.880]  However, we still haven't gotten to the question.
[01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:19.880]  The question is, I haven't received any notices.
[01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:21.880]  Well, no, that's not the question.
[01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.880]  My question was if they're claiming you had all this immunity,
[01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:28.880]  where did they get the idea they had the authority to take your car?
[01:42:28.880 --> 01:42:31.880]  That's the taking of your property.
[01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:37.880]  Now, I don't know how long you've been doing the UCC stuff, the redemption, anything like that.
[01:42:37.880 --> 01:42:43.880]  I can tell you that I don't do that stuff, and I don't recommend that people do that stuff.
[01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:46.880]  I got over 2,000 cases between the D&D codes.
[01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:48.880]  Well, that's fine.
[01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:50.880]  If that works for you, more power to you.
[01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:54.880]  But I don't recommend that course of action to people,
[01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:58.880]  mainly because they usually wind up in jail or worse.
[01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:05.880]  The problem with the UCC is everybody thinks it's a catch-all, fix-all.
[01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:07.880]  It is not.
[01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:08.880]  You don't have to disclose that to me.
[01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.880]  I've got really different opinions on the UCC.
[01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:11.880]  I know the copyright.
[01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:13.880]  No, no, I'm not trying to go there with you.
[01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:19.880]  I'm just trying to explain to you that I'm not really sure what it is you're wanting us to do for you or with you on the show,
[01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:21.880]  because you're not really asking me a question.
[01:43:21.880 --> 01:43:25.880]  You're just giving me a bunch of information that I don't have any frame of reference for.
[01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:27.880]  Okay.
[01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:28.880]  Come with me.
[01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:32.880]  I mean, it's a great story, and it works if everything works out the way you want it to.
[01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:37.880]  But what I'm saying is it doesn't give me anything to latch onto that I could give to someone else and say,
[01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:39.880]  hey, here, take this and use it.
[01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:40.880]  It works.
[01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:42.880]  Eddie, can I get your email?
[01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:45.880]  Yeah, it's eddie at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:48.880]  But if you'll send me whatever information you got, I'll be happy to look at it.
[01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:50.880]  Yeah, I'll definitely email you later on.
[01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:51.880]  Thank you.
[01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:52.880]  Thanks for calling in, Chuck.
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[01:46:50.880 --> 01:47:02.880]  All right, folks, we are back, Rule of Law Radio. We are in our last segment. We are taking your calls. Right now we've got Pat, Terry, Doug, and Hannibal. All right, good evening, Pat.
[01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:03.880]  How's it going, Eddie?
[01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:05.880]  It's going great.
[01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:13.880]  Hey, I really like your show, and I listen to it as frequently as I can, and I need to do some of the stuff that you're talking about,
[01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:23.880]  but I just wanted to make a comment on the lady that was calling in that didn't have a driver's license and didn't have insurance and got in that accident.
[01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:34.880]  And what I'm sure the adjuster on the other side said, well, she doesn't have a license and probably can't afford insurance. She probably can't afford an attorney.
[01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:44.880]  So, therefore, let her come after us. We'll just say it's not our fault, and if she can provide, you know, if she can get counselors to provide that information
[01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:52.880]  and back her up, well, then, you know, we'll have to go fight it. But they're expecting that she doesn't have the ability to fight it,
[01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:56.880]  so they're just putting her right up front. They're rejecting her, and that's what's going on.
[01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:06.880]  I absolutely agree with you. Absolutely agree with you. That was the first thought on my mind as well, having been down that road and had everything in place
[01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:13.880]  and the accident that I had, or I didn't have. It was given to me for free by this lady in a van.
[01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:24.880]  But, yeah, you're paying for insurance in Texas, but don't expect either your own company or the other one to be willing to pay when it comes time for you to file a claim.
[01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:30.880]  They will do everything they can to avoid it, especially if they're liable for it.
[01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:40.880]  Exactly, and they'll also do this. If they feel it's cheaper not to pay an attorney and give you the blame, make you pay your deductible,
[01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:48.880]  and pay a small amount of wages to whoever to fix a bumper or to fix something else, they'll declare it your fault.
[01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:58.880]  They won't even fight on the merits of the case. So you'll get stuck one way or the other, and that's why I feel for her, and I think she's in that situation.
[01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:07.880]  Since no one mentioned that, I thought I might put that across the airwaves, and other people that never thought of that might think of it now,
[01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:12.880]  and if she's still listening, maybe she understands what her position is if somebody hasn't told her.
[01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:18.880]  Well, I appreciate you bringing that up. It would have just made me mad, and I would have gone on on it forever. That's why I didn't say anything.
[01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:20.880]  But yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
[01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:25.880]  Well, great. Well, listen, there's somebody that's holding. I have nothing more, so I just want to thank you again.
[01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:31.880]  I wish you the best for the holiday season. You and Deborah and Randy, always very informative. Love you guys, too.
[01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:34.880]  Thanks, Pat. Appreciate it a lot. Thank you very much.
[01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:38.880]  Okay, let's go to Terry. Terry, how can we help you?
[01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:50.880]  Hello, Eddie. We've met before. Golly, I wish I had something to ask you succinctly, a question about the law and, you know, cases and stuff like that.
[01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:59.880]  I'm trying to equip myself as quickly and as fast as I can, at the same time juggling all these other things I've got going on.
[01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:06.880]  But I wanted to, if you would let me indulge myself, I wanted to make a couple comments if I have the opportunity.
[01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:10.880]  Sure, we've got 10 minutes left, but we've also got a couple of other callers.
[01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:14.880]  I will try to keep it succinct, and I'm going to try to go to the heart of the matter.
[01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:15.880]  Okay.
[01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:26.880]  And I want to tie some elements together about what Chuck had said and what Hondo had said about bestowing honor upon you
[01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:36.880]  and also about you participating and about, you know, the evilness of what we're confronting.
[01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:40.880]  You know, Eddie, we're letting them drive the action while we observe.
[01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:46.880]  You know, everything that we are doing, and you're talking about participating, everything that we're doing,
[01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:52.880]  whether we're participating in the action or we're observing the action, we're reaping and sowing that.
[01:50:52.880 --> 01:51:01.880]  And with that being said, a real quick thought came to my mind, too, about, you know, when you get on this radio program
[01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:07.880]  and when you're before an audience and when you're talking to people one-on-one, did you know that you're involved in a relationship?
[01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:08.880]  Yes, I do.
[01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:09.880]  Okay.
[01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:15.880]  In that relationship and in any relationship you want to express, and this goes to something, too,
[01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:19.880]  that occurred the other day when I was listening to you talk, I kind of felt awkward.
[01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:22.880]  I heard your testimony. I got up. I wanted to applaud you.
[01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.880]  And that was from the sacrifice side of it, from the sacrifice you made.
[01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:28.880]  But I want to look at it from another angle.
[01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:33.880]  When you express your love for somebody, what is it that you do?
[01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:37.880]  How do you manifest that and what action?
[01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:42.880]  Well, that's usually dependent upon each individual for themselves.
[01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:49.880]  Mine is to suffer the things that I don't want them to suffer on their behalf, I guess.
[01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:51.880]  Eddie, I know, but don't make it too complicated.
[01:51:51.880 --> 01:51:52.880]  You give them a gift, right?
[01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:53.880]  Yes.
[01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:57.880]  Sometimes we think of gifts in the sense of a physical, you know, a watch, a car, whatever.
[01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:00.880]  But what you've done is you're giving that gift of information.
[01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:03.880]  And how valuable is that information?
[01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:04.880]  Let's draw this out very quickly.
[01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:09.880]  If I had a piece of land, I knew somebody had a piece of land, they were trying to sell it,
[01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:15.880]  and they conformed and they were getting ready to sell it for a million dollars, and you bought it.
[01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:21.880]  And I told you, hey, you turned around and bought that piece of land for a million dollars,
[01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:25.880]  but I knew foreign buyers would pay ten times as much money for that property.
[01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:28.880]  But you got to it first, and you flipped it a week later.
[01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:31.880]  How valuable would that piece of information be to you?
[01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:33.880]  What kind of price can you put up?
[01:52:33.880 --> 01:52:34.880]  That's what you're supplying.
[01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:37.880]  Here goes to the heart of evil circling solid background.
[01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:41.880]  They're using this fake money against us with that knowledge,
[01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:45.880]  and they're leveraging it like block and tackle as a fulcrum against us.
[01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:51.880]  The rage I felt, I tied in, and I understand where you're coming from, Eddie.
[01:52:51.880 --> 01:52:53.880]  I was in North Dallas last week.
[01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:55.880]  It was windy outside.
[01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:56.880]  It was freezing.
[01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:57.880]  The wind was blowing.
[01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:02.880]  In several cities in the United States, you know, they've got the pumps.
[01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:06.880]  Some have little clips, and you can keep the gas pumping.
[01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:08.880]  The other ones, you have to hand pump them, right?
[01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:09.880]  You have to put your hand on it.
[01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:14.880]  So it's dribbling out at one gallon per hour, and I'm freezing my rims out here.
[01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:17.880]  And I got, Eddie, I got insulted.
[01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:28.880]  I was insulted that it's got to the point that they're regulating for us how we put gas in our car.
[01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:31.880]  And I want to thank you for the gift you're giving in waking people up,
[01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:33.880]  and people should appreciate that.
[01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:39.880]  And that information hopefully can be as that value,
[01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:41.880]  that information has value because why?
[01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:44.880]  It's truth.
[01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:45.880]  Well, I appreciate that.
[01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:48.880]  I try to make sure that it is truth before it ever comes out of my mouth.
[01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:50.880]  It's not useful to anyone if it's not.
[01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:55.880]  Well, I'm only just trying to give it, you know, another twist as to the listeners are out there,
[01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:59.880]  so they can see the depth and the gravity and what is being used against us
[01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:05.880]  and how you can apply this and all these issues that come to bear.
[01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:07.880]  And that's my only comment, and there's other colors.
[01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:08.880]  All right.
[01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:09.880]  Well, I appreciate it, Terry.
[01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:10.880]  Thank you very much.
[01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:11.880]  You're welcome.
[01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:12.880]  Appreciate you calling in.
[01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:13.880]  Okay.
[01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:15.880]  We have Doug in Texas.
[01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:16.880]  Hi, Doug.
[01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:17.880]  What can we do for you?
[01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:18.880]  Hi, Eddie.
[01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:28.880]  I appreciate all your research, and I certainly appreciate you saying that we can have assistance
[01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:37.880]  through counsel without depending on the monopolistic bar-card-carrying racketeers.
[01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:38.880]  Well, that's true.
[01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:42.880]  The only problem we've got, however, is making the judge honor that ability,
[01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:45.880]  which he's not prone to do.
[01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:47.880]  I understand that, Eddie.
[01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:54.880]  Have you ever read the book by Michael Collins called The Cornucopia of Evil?
[01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:55.880]  No.
[01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:56.880]  Can't say that I have.
[01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:58.880]  I've read a lot of it, but I've never got a chance to read it.
[01:54:58.880 --> 01:54:59.880]  Okay.
[01:54:59.880 --> 01:55:00.880]  I purchased that book.
[01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:06.880]  It was part of the Brave New Books, and I read it, and then I gave it back to him,
[01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:12.880]  and I said, give this to Randy Kelton or Steve Skidmore.
[01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:17.880]  Whoever comes in first, just, you know, give it to them.
[01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:21.880]  Just throw it upon them.
[01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:25.880]  And I don't know which one got it.
[01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:34.880]  What it explains, Eddie, is how small-town bar-card-carrying groups,
[01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:37.880]  they turn into racketeering operations.
[01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:40.880]  It has nothing to do with justice.
[01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:47.880]  It has everything to do with how they can – they're all playing on the same team.
[01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:54.880]  There is no adversarial role played by these people.
[01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:58.880]  Everything they do is a cooperative role for each other, but not for the defendant.
[01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:00.880]  It's to make money.
[01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:06.880]  And, you know, Jesus said the root of all evil is love money.
[01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:08.880]  And that's what these people do.
[01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:15.880]  They just – little communities like Bastrop, you know, for example,
[01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:17.880]  they all go to lunch together.
[01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:22.880]  They all see what they can milk their clients out of.
[01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:26.880]  And there's no adversary.
[01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:33.880]  They're all in complete cooperation from the judge to the defending attorney
[01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:35.880]  to the prosecuting attorney.
[01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:37.880]  They're a team.
[01:56:37.880 --> 01:56:38.880]  You're right.
[01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:39.880]  I completely agree with you.
[01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:42.880]  But I hate to cut you short, Doug, but we've got one caller left.
[01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:47.880]  If we can get to him, that would make the night complete for those who called in.
[01:56:47.880 --> 01:56:48.880]  All right.
[01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:49.880]  Thank you, Eddie.
[01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:50.880]  Well, thank you.
[01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:52.880]  I appreciate it, and I'm sorry I got to cut you short here.
[01:56:52.880 --> 01:56:55.880]  We've got one caller left, Hannibal in New York.
[01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:56.880]  Hannibal, thanks for calling in.
[01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:58.880]  What can we do for you?
[01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:00.880]  Hey, thanks.
[01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:07.880]  My question is how does the penal code not apply to me, like sovereign citizens?
[01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:11.880]  I'm, like, just getting into this and still trying to understand a lot of it.
[01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:12.880]  Okay.
[01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.880]  Now, here's the difference between the individual codes as far as the penal code
[01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:18.880]  and the rest of them go.
[01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:26.880]  The penal code applies to everyone as far as a type of crime is concerned.
[01:57:26.880 --> 01:57:30.880]  They are actual crimes as far as what the common law constitutes as a crime,
[01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:32.880]  most of the time.
[01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:35.880]  Now, that's not true of all of them.
[01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:40.880]  But the penal code is supposed to be that body of law that applies to all men
[01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:47.880]  for the purpose of punishment, a violation of the rights or property of another.
[01:57:47.880 --> 01:57:51.880]  In that regard, that code applies to all.
[01:57:51.880 --> 01:58:00.880]  However, the question is does the code comply with the session law that created that code?
[01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.880]  That's what we have to find out and what we have to know.
[01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:09.880]  The rest of the codes are usually administrative in nature and don't apply to us.
[01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:12.880]  But if you'd like to get in some more information on that, Hannibal,
[01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:16.880]  please give us a call back on Thursday because we are just about out of time here.
[01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:18.880]  Hannibal certainly will.
[01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:20.880]  All right, thanks, Hannibal. Thank you for calling in.
[01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:24.880]  All right, folks, this has been Rule of Law Radio with Eddie Craig and Deborah Stevens.
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