[00:00.000 --> 00:04.800] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net. [00:04.800 --> 00:09.000] Benigno Aquino has been sworn in as the Philippines' 15th president. [00:09.000 --> 00:12.100] Hundreds of thousands of people yelled his nickname, Noy Noy, [00:12.100 --> 00:14.400] as Aquino promised to fight corruption, [00:14.400 --> 00:20.600] particularly in the notoriously graft-ridden bureaus of customs and internal revenue. [00:20.600 --> 00:25.100] General David Petraeus, the new chief of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, [00:25.100 --> 00:27.600] has vowed to protect Afghan civilians. [00:27.600 --> 00:31.700] Petraeus said he had no plans to change current rules of engagement, [00:31.700 --> 00:36.600] which limit some uses of force to prevent civilian casualties. [00:36.600 --> 00:40.900] Barack Obama said Thursday the US has thrived as a nation of immigrants, [00:40.900 --> 00:44.900] but reform has been held hostage by political posturing. [00:44.900 --> 00:48.200] Arizona recently enacted a law which makes it a crime [00:48.200 --> 00:50.700] to be in the state without immigration papers. [00:50.700 --> 00:54.500] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net. [00:54.500 --> 01:00.100] Afghan President Hamid Karzai pushed back Wednesday against allegations of government corruption, [01:00.100 --> 01:03.900] saying their international partners must shoulder some of the blame for waste, [01:03.900 --> 01:07.400] graft and the billions of dollars streaming out of the country. [01:07.400 --> 01:13.000] Afghan Finance Minister Omar Zakhilwal said the bulk of the $4 billion in cash [01:13.000 --> 01:17.100] blown out of the country in the past three years was from huge contracts [01:17.100 --> 01:21.800] the international community awarded large Afghan and foreign companies. [01:21.800 --> 01:26.800] Zakhilwal also said Representative Nita Laoui, chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee [01:26.800 --> 01:31.800] overseeing the State Department's budget, was wrong to suggest Afghan government officials [01:31.800 --> 01:33.800] had pocketed donor funds. [01:33.800 --> 01:38.300] Zakhilwal acknowledged there is graft and corruption in the Afghan government, [01:38.300 --> 01:43.900] but stressed 77% of the $29 billion in aid spent in Afghanistan [01:43.900 --> 01:49.300] has been dispersed on projects with little or no input from Afghan government officials. [01:49.300 --> 01:53.600] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net. [01:53.600 --> 01:59.100] A war crimes court has ruled that model Naomi Campbell can be called to testify [01:59.100 --> 02:02.600] in a case against former Liberian President Charles Taylor. [02:02.600 --> 02:06.800] Prosecutors for the Special Court for Sierra Leone sitting in The Hague [02:06.800 --> 02:11.400] say Campbell was given a blood diamond by Taylor in 1997 [02:11.400 --> 02:14.200] at Nelson Mandela's house in South Africa. [02:14.200 --> 02:19.200] Taylor is accused of using such diamonds to fuel an insurgency in Sierra Leone [02:19.200 --> 02:21.000] that cost many lives. [02:21.000 --> 02:24.500] Taylor is accused of selling diamonds and buying weapons [02:24.500 --> 02:27.500] for Sierra Leone's Revolutionary United Front rebels [02:27.500 --> 02:31.300] notorious for hacking off the hands and legs of civilians [02:31.300 --> 02:35.300] during the 1991-2001 Civil War. [02:35.300 --> 02:41.000] Taylor has pleaded not guilty to 11 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity. [02:41.000 --> 02:45.000] Blood diamonds is the name given to diamonds mined in areas of conflict [02:45.000 --> 02:50.000] that are sold to fund warfare. [03:45.100 --> 03:47.500] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:47.500 --> 03:49.200] Bad boys, bad boys [03:49.200 --> 03:50.600] Whatcha gonna do? [03:50.600 --> 03:53.200] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:53.200 --> 03:56.000] When you were E and you had bad trees [03:56.000 --> 03:58.700] You'd go to school and learn the golden rule [03:58.700 --> 04:01.400] So why are you acting like a bloody fool? [04:01.400 --> 04:04.000] And if you get caught then you might get crewed [04:04.000 --> 04:05.700] Bad boys, bad boys [04:05.700 --> 04:07.000] Whatcha gonna do? [04:07.000 --> 04:09.500] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [04:09.500 --> 04:11.200] Bad boys, bad boys [04:11.200 --> 04:12.500] Whatcha gonna do? [04:12.500 --> 04:15.300] Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [04:15.300 --> 04:17.100] Bad boys, bad boys [04:17.100 --> 04:21.600] What are you going to do when we come for you? [04:21.600 --> 04:24.300] Here on The Rule of Law [04:24.300 --> 04:28.000] Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens [04:28.000 --> 04:31.200] The Kubosh Brothers, Mike and Paul Kubosh [04:31.200 --> 04:36.000] and Jim Ash from College Station [04:36.000 --> 04:41.700] Tonight the topic is red light cameras [04:41.700 --> 04:44.800] Now, folks out there who have been listening for a while [04:44.800 --> 04:47.300] you may have heard Jim on this show in the past [04:47.300 --> 04:49.200] Jim's been our guest a few times [04:49.200 --> 04:53.300] Jim got the red light cameras done away with [04:53.300 --> 04:55.200] in College Station, Texas [04:55.200 --> 04:56.800] Woohoo! [04:56.800 --> 05:00.200] With the help of the Kubosh boys [05:00.200 --> 05:03.000] The Kubosh Brothers, excuse me [05:03.000 --> 05:08.300] Already taking the call on y'all with nicknames here [05:08.300 --> 05:11.700] So, Paul is an attorney, Mike is his brother [05:11.700 --> 05:14.900] and the Kubosh Brothers have been fighting the red light cameras [05:14.900 --> 05:18.500] since when, Jim? How long? [05:18.500 --> 05:20.100] Paul, didn't you guys start about 98? [05:20.100 --> 05:21.300] I mean, Mike? [05:21.300 --> 05:24.700] Yeah, we started back in 1990, about 1994 [05:24.700 --> 05:27.300] We've been wrestling with these things at the legislature [05:27.300 --> 05:31.800] and actually prior to that we were going to San Diego in 1996 [05:31.800 --> 05:33.000] is when it really all started there [05:33.000 --> 05:35.400] when we realized they had shortened the caution lines there [05:35.400 --> 05:37.000] We were helping some attorneys there [05:37.000 --> 05:40.300] Wow, so since 94, folks [05:40.300 --> 05:42.900] the Kubosh Brothers have been on the crusade [05:42.900 --> 05:44.700] against red light cameras [05:44.700 --> 05:48.600] That's 14 years, I really, really commend and applaud you guys [05:48.600 --> 05:51.200] Alright, Jim can only stay for a couple of segments [05:51.200 --> 05:54.300] So, Jim is going to go first and tell his story [05:54.300 --> 05:57.100] and Jim, just start from the beginning [05:57.100 --> 05:58.700] How did you get into this? [05:58.700 --> 06:02.100] What made you so irate about the red light cameras in the first place? [06:02.100 --> 06:04.900] And how did you hook up with the Kubosh Brothers? [06:04.900 --> 06:09.200] Apparently the Kubosh Brothers helped you throughout this whole ordeal [06:09.200 --> 06:12.700] of getting the cameras removed from College Station [06:12.700 --> 06:15.100] Well, I'll kick off on the story [06:15.100 --> 06:18.000] and I'll kind of give the Reader's Digest version of it here [06:18.000 --> 06:23.400] In late 98, the first part of September [06:23.400 --> 06:26.500] I received a photo-enforced ticket [06:26.500 --> 06:28.900] crossing the intersection in College Station [06:28.900 --> 06:35.000] My vehicle was photographed crossing the stop bar [06:35.000 --> 06:38.100] three-tenths of a second after the light had turned red [06:38.100 --> 06:39.900] making a right turn on red [06:39.900 --> 06:45.900] I got a ticket just like thousands and thousands of Texans have received by now [06:45.900 --> 06:49.000] Received it in the mail, was in typing on the computer [06:49.000 --> 06:53.000] to release the funds through Bank of America to pay the $75 [06:53.000 --> 06:57.000] I flipped the ticket over and started reading on the back [06:57.000 --> 07:02.600] The front of it declared that I was guilty in the past tenths [07:02.600 --> 07:06.200] It has been found that you're guilty of this [07:06.200 --> 07:08.100] I said, we've never even gone to trial [07:08.100 --> 07:11.400] I haven't even been accused by anybody [07:11.400 --> 07:13.600] So it kind of set wrong with me [07:13.600 --> 07:18.500] I thought in the United States, we got a trial by jury [07:18.500 --> 07:22.600] I thought that that would be a prerequisite to find anybody guilty [07:22.600 --> 07:24.500] So I just slept on it overnight [07:24.500 --> 07:26.000] The next day I thought better of it [07:26.000 --> 07:28.700] And I said, well, I'm going to appeal this [07:28.700 --> 07:36.000] And I went to the city before the municipal court judge [07:36.000 --> 07:38.300] The judge, of course, found for the city [07:38.300 --> 07:42.100] And I wanted to appeal from there [07:42.100 --> 07:44.300] Sent letters of appeal to the city [07:44.300 --> 07:46.300] The city denied me any appeal [07:46.300 --> 07:50.300] The very first judge you go in front of on a photo-enforced ticket [07:50.300 --> 07:52.200] is the last judge you'll ever see [07:52.200 --> 07:56.600] The municipal court judge's decision in photo-enforced tickets [07:56.600 --> 08:01.200] is the final word, according to Texas state law [08:01.200 --> 08:08.100] Well, it goes back and forth between the red light camera interests [08:08.100 --> 08:10.800] and cities, they say there is an appeal [08:10.800 --> 08:13.400] because you can go before an administrator [08:13.400 --> 08:15.600] Normally the judge is secretary initially [08:15.600 --> 08:17.800] and then you appeal it to the judge [08:17.800 --> 08:21.100] But when you think about an appeal in a legal sense [08:21.100 --> 08:23.900] it's normally you move to a different court [08:23.900 --> 08:27.900] not just from the judge's secretary to the judge [08:27.900 --> 08:32.300] So I just thought that was wrong [08:32.300 --> 08:36.700] I thought it was wrong that any governmental entity [08:36.700 --> 08:39.400] could file charges against somebody [08:39.400 --> 08:41.800] declare them guilty without a trial [08:41.800 --> 08:43.900] and deny them the right to a jury trial [08:43.900 --> 08:47.800] and deny them the legal right to an appeal [08:47.800 --> 08:49.400] I thought about that [08:49.400 --> 08:52.100] I went to the Texas legislature [08:52.100 --> 08:55.100] There was a bill, House Bill 3000 [08:55.100 --> 08:59.100] that had ended up on the big transportation bill last year [08:59.100 --> 09:00.300] We fought it through there [09:00.300 --> 09:03.300] When it became apparent that the red light cameras [09:03.300 --> 09:06.600] were almost overturned in that session of the legislature [09:06.600 --> 09:08.300] the city of College Station [09:08.300 --> 09:11.200] signed a preemptive 20-year extension [09:11.200 --> 09:14.800] to the red light camera contract that they had [09:14.800 --> 09:18.400] They did that on the last day of July [09:18.400 --> 09:26.100] and on July 3rd [09:26.100 --> 09:31.500] I kicked off the campaign to do the petition [09:31.500 --> 09:34.200] We set up a little tent beside the road [09:34.200 --> 09:37.100] one of the University Drive here in College Station [09:37.100 --> 09:39.200] started collecting signatures [09:39.200 --> 09:43.300] My goal was maybe I could get 100 signatures [09:43.300 --> 09:45.100] by the end of the first weekend [09:45.100 --> 09:50.000] It turned out in 88 hours of sitting beside the road [09:50.000 --> 09:53.200] over three weekend periods [09:53.200 --> 09:56.000] we had enough signatures to submit the petition [09:56.000 --> 09:59.700] That is what a base feel the community has [09:59.700 --> 10:03.000] about the wrong that red light cameras are [10:03.000 --> 10:04.600] in its totality [10:04.600 --> 10:08.700] The cities normally say it's about safety [10:08.700 --> 10:14.300] Our research, the research that we've done through now years [10:14.300 --> 10:16.900] indicates that that's just not the case [10:16.900 --> 10:18.700] In the city of College Station [10:18.700 --> 10:22.000] they didn't even put the cameras at the most dangerous intersections [10:22.000 --> 10:23.800] If it was about safety [10:23.800 --> 10:26.400] they would have put them at dangerous intersections [10:26.400 --> 10:29.500] It's about exploitation of engineering problems [10:29.500 --> 10:31.400] that exist on the roadways [10:31.400 --> 10:34.000] in order to generate revenues for the cities [10:34.000 --> 10:36.300] And at the end of the day [10:36.300 --> 10:38.000] our side of the argument won [10:38.000 --> 10:40.700] During that petition drive [10:40.700 --> 10:42.700] I met the Cubash brothers [10:42.700 --> 10:46.800] Paul came down to College Station [10:46.800 --> 10:48.200] and sat out with us at the tent [10:48.200 --> 10:52.400] and told us of his years and years of struggles [10:52.400 --> 10:55.500] against the red light camera interest here in the state [10:55.500 --> 10:58.600] And he certainly supported us [10:58.600 --> 10:59.900] from that perspective [10:59.900 --> 11:01.900] gave us some of the background that he had done [11:01.900 --> 11:05.100] And in the ensuing six months [11:05.100 --> 11:08.800] we took it to get the petition approved [11:08.800 --> 11:10.000] got it on the ballot [11:10.000 --> 11:11.600] ran through an election cycle [11:11.600 --> 11:14.200] were outspent ten to one [11:14.200 --> 11:16.300] by the red light camera interest [11:16.300 --> 11:17.600] compared to what we spent [11:17.600 --> 11:19.300] and we won the election [11:19.300 --> 11:21.200] I think no one was more surprised [11:21.200 --> 11:22.800] than the city of College Station [11:22.800 --> 11:25.100] because photo enforcement [11:25.100 --> 11:26.500] the red light camera interest [11:26.500 --> 11:29.600] always promote that [11:29.600 --> 11:31.700] citizens support their activities [11:31.700 --> 11:34.900] by a measure between 65 and 70 percent [11:34.900 --> 11:37.800] I say if they really believe that [11:37.800 --> 11:39.800] they wouldn't have spent $100,000 [11:39.800 --> 11:42.500] trying to stop us in College Station [11:42.500 --> 11:45.300] And that number comes from the [11:45.300 --> 11:46.500] campaign finance reports [11:46.500 --> 11:49.400] that are available to the city of College Station [11:49.400 --> 11:51.100] And they know [11:51.100 --> 11:54.000] they know that when red light cameras go to a vote [11:54.000 --> 11:56.800] citizens understand it's about generating revenue [11:56.800 --> 12:00.400] So that's kind of my story [12:00.400 --> 12:02.400] Well that's fantastic Jim [12:02.400 --> 12:07.200] How long did it take from start to finish to get this done? [12:07.200 --> 12:08.800] Well the petition [12:08.800 --> 12:10.800] well it took really [12:10.800 --> 12:13.000] I'm going to say about eight months [12:13.000 --> 12:15.100] eight months of work [12:15.100 --> 12:17.600] It was a fantastic experience [12:17.600 --> 12:19.400] I tell you particularly [12:19.400 --> 12:22.100] when you think about your listeners [12:22.100 --> 12:23.500] I and I've done it [12:23.500 --> 12:24.300] when I talk [12:24.300 --> 12:25.800] the first time I was on your program [12:25.800 --> 12:27.500] I wanted to say I'm sorry [12:27.500 --> 12:30.900] that I took me till I was 50 years old [12:30.900 --> 12:34.500] to stand up and say enough is enough [12:34.500 --> 12:37.400] Governments continue to pass [12:37.400 --> 12:39.600] more owners and more owners laws [12:39.600 --> 12:41.400] My belief was [12:41.400 --> 12:42.400] that [12:42.400 --> 12:43.600] if we let it stand [12:43.600 --> 12:45.100] that the government could charge us [12:45.100 --> 12:47.400] with something as simple and as innocuous [12:47.400 --> 12:49.500] as a $75 fine [12:49.500 --> 12:51.300] for running a red light camera [12:51.300 --> 12:53.300] a red light [12:53.300 --> 12:55.500] that the government [12:55.500 --> 12:56.800] if they get away with [12:56.800 --> 12:58.900] not giving us a chance to an appeal [12:58.900 --> 13:00.300] and a jury trial [13:00.300 --> 13:01.500] on this [13:01.500 --> 13:04.100] they can get away with it on anything [13:04.100 --> 13:05.900] It's turning the degrees up [13:05.900 --> 13:08.900] a little bit more on the frog in the hot water [13:08.900 --> 13:10.200] I just felt like [13:10.200 --> 13:12.500] this is where I draw the line [13:12.500 --> 13:13.100] you know [13:13.100 --> 13:15.000] from my perspective [13:15.000 --> 13:16.700] What I did learn about this though [13:16.700 --> 13:18.100] that and as your listeners [13:18.100 --> 13:19.100] think about that out there [13:19.100 --> 13:21.400] there is something that is [13:21.400 --> 13:23.200] they need to stand up for too [13:23.200 --> 13:24.200] and when they do it [13:24.200 --> 13:27.200] and they stand up and become involved [13:27.200 --> 13:29.300] in resolving that issue [13:29.300 --> 13:30.200] they will [13:30.200 --> 13:31.600] I believe [13:31.600 --> 13:33.400] they will never be the same [13:33.400 --> 13:35.200] and I know your listeners are good about that [13:35.200 --> 13:36.700] about becoming involved [13:36.700 --> 13:39.000] it was a huge awakening for me [13:39.000 --> 13:43.000] I will never be the same after this struggle [13:43.000 --> 13:44.700] I have to concur with that [13:44.700 --> 13:46.000] this is Michael Kubosh [13:46.000 --> 13:48.300] that when I ran the light today [13:48.300 --> 13:51.200] that back in 1996 [13:51.200 --> 13:53.400] it wasn't until after the occasion [13:53.400 --> 13:55.000] that I realized that [13:55.000 --> 13:57.100] the same thing that caused me to do that [13:57.100 --> 13:58.800] is what made the forefathers [13:58.800 --> 14:01.100] get on the boat and pour out the tea [14:01.100 --> 14:03.000] I realized that day [14:03.000 --> 14:05.000] Jim, that I was a patriot [14:05.000 --> 14:07.500] and I say that with great humility [14:07.500 --> 14:09.900] that I had no idea [14:09.900 --> 14:11.900] the fabric of a being [14:11.900 --> 14:13.400] that I really was to do that [14:13.400 --> 14:14.800] because the day I ran the light [14:14.800 --> 14:16.200] the police came to me [14:16.200 --> 14:18.000] and got my driver's license from me [14:18.000 --> 14:19.100] before I ran the light [14:19.100 --> 14:20.100] my family was there [14:20.100 --> 14:22.100] about 30 something family members and friends [14:22.100 --> 14:22.900] and the news media [14:22.900 --> 14:25.100] I was live on a radio station [14:25.100 --> 14:26.700] they took my driver's license [14:26.700 --> 14:29.000] wrote me the ticket before I ever ran the light [14:29.000 --> 14:30.200] and asked if I was going to do it [14:30.200 --> 14:30.900] and I said yes [14:30.900 --> 14:32.100] they blocked the intersection [14:32.100 --> 14:33.900] my family watched for traffic [14:33.900 --> 14:34.700] I ran the light [14:34.700 --> 14:36.800] they gave me the ticket and let me go [14:36.800 --> 14:38.600] and I realized that day [14:38.600 --> 14:41.500] that I'm a little different than a lot of folks [14:44.400 --> 14:45.300] Amen [14:45.300 --> 14:46.000] Indeed [14:46.000 --> 14:47.400] We have to stand up [14:47.400 --> 14:48.600] for what's right [14:48.600 --> 14:49.800] Go ahead, Eddie [14:49.800 --> 14:51.500] Well, there is a question [14:51.500 --> 14:52.300] as an attorney [14:52.300 --> 14:54.800] I would like to see what your response to this would be [14:54.800 --> 14:57.600] Wait, his brother Paul is an attorney [14:57.600 --> 14:59.800] Yeah, my brother Paul is the attorney [14:59.800 --> 15:01.900] The news media calls me an attorney all the time [15:01.900 --> 15:03.400] because I'm with Paul [15:03.400 --> 15:05.300] but actually I'm not an attorney [15:05.300 --> 15:07.300] I'm a businessman here in Houston [15:07.300 --> 15:09.500] but I did take my court to case the trial [15:09.500 --> 15:11.900] and I did win it on constitutional grounds [15:11.900 --> 15:13.500] and Judge Wood here in Houston [15:13.500 --> 15:16.700] the longest sitting Republican judge in Harris County at the time [15:16.700 --> 15:18.600] she ruled that I won [15:18.600 --> 15:22.500] because the evidence used in the hearing is unauthenticated [15:22.500 --> 15:25.000] because you cannot authenticate a video [15:25.000 --> 15:27.700] without an individual being present to testify [15:27.700 --> 15:30.700] there's a true and actual depiction of the events [15:30.700 --> 15:32.900] that occurred at the time and place in question [15:32.900 --> 15:34.600] or they can do it by affidavit [15:34.600 --> 15:36.400] and neither one of those applied [15:36.400 --> 15:38.500] so I won on constitutional grounds [15:38.500 --> 15:40.800] but she did not take down the cameras [15:40.800 --> 15:43.100] and that's what I was trying to get done [15:43.100 --> 15:43.900] Yeah [15:43.900 --> 15:45.800] Well, a couple things on that [15:45.800 --> 15:48.200] one of which is that it's my understanding [15:48.200 --> 15:49.900] that even with an affidavit [15:49.900 --> 15:52.900] without the person that signed the affidavit [15:52.900 --> 15:55.100] being available to be cross-examined [15:55.100 --> 15:58.400] even the affidavit can't stand in court [15:58.400 --> 16:02.900] but besides that the question I would like to ask [16:02.900 --> 16:05.500] and you may want to pass this on to your brother [16:05.500 --> 16:09.400] is how can it not be a crime [16:09.400 --> 16:11.100] for them to put those in [16:11.100 --> 16:13.300] when in the writings of the documentation [16:13.300 --> 16:16.100] they acknowledge that they know [16:16.100 --> 16:20.200] they are going to cause an increase in rear-end accidents [16:20.200 --> 16:23.900] thus creating a danger and harm to the public at large [16:23.900 --> 16:26.800] all in the name of money [16:26.800 --> 16:28.500] I totally agree with you on that [16:28.500 --> 16:30.900] in fact, when I ran the life [16:30.900 --> 16:32.100] one of the things I talked about [16:32.100 --> 16:37.100] was just that it was a money grab by the vendors [16:37.100 --> 16:37.900] Yes [16:37.900 --> 16:40.100] Yeah, Mike, hold that thought right there [16:40.100 --> 16:41.900] about the money grab by the vendors [16:41.900 --> 16:43.900] absolutely [16:43.900 --> 16:46.000] and folks, we're going to be opening up the phone lines [16:46.000 --> 16:49.700] in a few minutes for folks who have questions [16:49.700 --> 16:53.300] for Mike or Jim about the red light camera issue [16:53.300 --> 16:55.800] and Mike is going to tell his story as well [16:55.800 --> 16:57.300] we'll be right back 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can't wait to politically end [18:41.000 --> 18:43.500] them getting mad and angry [18:43.500 --> 18:45.700] but them not standing up and fighting [18:45.700 --> 18:48.500] fight for the freedom and be free [18:48.500 --> 18:51.400] and they like them love slavery and get hanged [18:51.400 --> 18:54.500] them like them love slavery [18:54.500 --> 18:57.400] because they're getting a handout from the government [18:57.400 --> 18:59.200] don't you see [18:59.200 --> 19:03.800] some words of wisdom from my singer Patterson Martin [19:03.800 --> 19:07.000] of our band The Three Shoes Posse [19:07.000 --> 19:11.500] this is how people get enslaved by taking the government handout [19:11.500 --> 19:13.000] okay so at any rate Mike [19:13.000 --> 19:15.700] before you finish your thought about the vendors [19:15.700 --> 19:17.100] the money vendors [19:17.100 --> 19:19.700] I wanted to just go back to Jim real quick [19:19.700 --> 19:22.200] I remember Jim when you won the big battle [19:22.200 --> 19:23.400] we had you on last time [19:23.400 --> 19:25.500] but they hadn't taken the cameras down yet [19:25.500 --> 19:27.900] and I remember talking to my [19:27.900 --> 19:29.800] our mutual friend Aaron on the phone [19:29.800 --> 19:31.700] and Aaron was telling me [19:31.700 --> 19:32.600] well they turned them off [19:32.600 --> 19:34.100] but they hadn't taken them down yet [19:34.100 --> 19:35.600] but I want them to take them down [19:35.600 --> 19:39.300] so I can run over them with my truck [19:39.300 --> 19:40.600] that's what Aaron told me [19:40.600 --> 19:42.100] so what is the status [19:42.100 --> 19:44.100] did they take them down [19:44.100 --> 19:46.200] they did take them down [19:46.200 --> 19:50.000] I have a webpage it's more of a history right now [19:50.000 --> 19:52.900] but civilviolation.com [19:52.900 --> 19:57.300] and in that picture you can see the red light camera vendor truck [19:57.300 --> 19:59.800] taking the red light cameras down [19:59.800 --> 20:03.000] and our no red light cameras [20:03.000 --> 20:06.900] and college station stickers on the actual equipment [20:06.900 --> 20:08.100] it's there [20:08.100 --> 20:10.600] so you know it was ultimately a victory [20:10.600 --> 20:12.500] there was an ensuing lawsuit [20:12.500 --> 20:15.500] that really gets down in the weeds [20:15.500 --> 20:19.100] as far as the technicalities of that [20:19.100 --> 20:23.200] referendum petition type thing [20:23.200 --> 20:26.000] but at the end of the day the cameras are gone [20:26.000 --> 20:30.800] and the existing mayor and council members that were [20:30.800 --> 20:33.800] the mayor in fact was thrown out of office [20:33.800 --> 20:34.900] I should say [20:34.900 --> 20:36.200] we've got a brand new mayor [20:36.200 --> 20:38.300] and the new mayor ran on [20:38.300 --> 20:41.000] if you want to get treated like [20:41.000 --> 20:44.000] the former mayor treated you with the red light cameras [20:44.000 --> 20:48.000] this is an example of you know municipal problems [20:48.000 --> 20:50.200] now we have a new mayor in college station [20:50.200 --> 20:53.300] and it's a new world in college station [20:53.300 --> 20:55.500] well that's awesome I'm so glad to hear it [20:55.500 --> 20:58.200] okay now back to the vendors the money vendors [20:58.200 --> 21:01.400] Eddie made the point that statistics have shown [21:01.400 --> 21:03.800] official research studies have shown [21:03.800 --> 21:06.400] that it increases accidents [21:06.400 --> 21:08.800] especially rear end collisions and so [21:08.800 --> 21:11.500] what's the deal that they're still putting them up [21:11.500 --> 21:14.200] isn't that some kind of cause of action for lawsuit [21:14.200 --> 21:15.300] I would believe that it is [21:15.300 --> 21:17.800] so Mike you were about just about to comment on [21:17.800 --> 21:20.600] on the money vendors when we went to break [21:20.600 --> 21:23.500] well we learned that the in the city of Houston [21:23.500 --> 21:25.400] the vendors are getting somewhere between [21:25.400 --> 21:29.000] five and six thousand dollars a month per camera [21:29.000 --> 21:30.400] on the lease [21:30.400 --> 21:32.700] and so consequently whether or not they [21:32.700 --> 21:34.300] they generate any money at all [21:34.300 --> 21:36.600] the vendors going to make money big money [21:36.600 --> 21:38.100] because there's 70 of them now [21:38.100 --> 21:40.700] and they're about to implement another 50 [21:40.700 --> 21:46.700] and it's just a gigantic money grab for the for the vendors [21:46.700 --> 21:49.700] and so the taxpayers are paying for this anyway [21:49.700 --> 21:53.400] regardless if they're issuing any tickets or not [21:53.400 --> 21:55.200] right one of the city councilmen told me [21:55.200 --> 21:58.200] that it's approximately that the net is about 15 [21:58.200 --> 22:01.000] or the gross is about 15 million dollars a year [22:01.000 --> 22:02.800] and I want to give the city of Houston [22:02.800 --> 22:05.400] a stimulus package of 15 million dollars [22:05.400 --> 22:07.000] by keeping the money here [22:07.000 --> 22:10.300] the tickets in Houston come from Mesa Arizona [22:10.300 --> 22:13.400] and they you mail the money to Cincinnati Ohio [22:13.400 --> 22:17.600] it's a it's just a real joke [22:17.600 --> 22:19.800] is now wait a minute [22:19.800 --> 22:22.300] what is the transportation code say about this [22:22.300 --> 22:25.400] about collecting revenue on these red light cameras [22:25.400 --> 22:26.800] Eddie do you know anything about this [22:26.800 --> 22:30.300] is that according to law that the the money [22:30.300 --> 22:32.400] for the tickets is to be sent to these vendors [22:32.400 --> 22:34.200] or their subcontractors [22:34.200 --> 22:36.300] they can pay them for it of course [22:36.300 --> 22:38.300] for the maintenance the management and all that [22:38.300 --> 22:42.900] what they cannot do is pay them a cut of the fine [22:42.900 --> 22:46.100] but what about the people who are mailing in the revenue [22:46.100 --> 22:47.000] for the tickets [22:47.000 --> 22:49.500] he's saying that you mail in the you send the money [22:49.500 --> 22:53.100] to Cincinnati when you get a red light camera ticket [22:53.100 --> 22:54.100] nothing wrong with that [22:54.100 --> 22:56.000] if that's where the contract says send it [22:56.000 --> 22:57.700] you agree that you owe it [22:57.700 --> 23:01.500] the problem is is are you guilty of the act [23:01.500 --> 23:03.400] that they're accusing you of [23:03.400 --> 23:05.500] if you feel that you are and that you owe the money [23:05.500 --> 23:08.800] well nobody's going to stand in your way and sending it in [23:08.800 --> 23:11.600] but when you understand what's being done to you [23:11.600 --> 23:14.300] whether you've run the light or not [23:14.300 --> 23:16.500] you have the opportunity to say no [23:16.500 --> 23:18.800] I intend to fight this and do something about it [23:18.800 --> 23:21.500] as these gentlemen did [23:21.500 --> 23:23.100] otherwise it's a simple matter [23:23.100 --> 23:24.300] if you agree you owe it [23:24.300 --> 23:25.600] nobody's stopping you [23:25.600 --> 23:27.000] nobody can [23:27.000 --> 23:28.300] well remember this [23:28.300 --> 23:31.000] that many of the police officers talk to me [23:31.000 --> 23:32.800] saying Mr. Kubach over half the time [23:32.800 --> 23:34.800] that I stopped somebody in a car [23:34.800 --> 23:36.600] they're not in their own cars [23:36.600 --> 23:37.500] I'm a businessman [23:37.500 --> 23:39.200] I own about three or four different cars [23:39.200 --> 23:40.700] and I only drive one [23:40.700 --> 23:41.700] my wife drives one [23:41.700 --> 23:42.800] two of my sons drive [23:42.800 --> 23:44.400] and some of my employees [23:44.400 --> 23:48.200] and so when a ticket is issued to somebody [23:48.200 --> 23:49.700] it's issued to the last person [23:49.700 --> 23:51.700] who legally registered the car [23:51.700 --> 23:53.300] so if you sell your car [23:53.300 --> 23:55.200] and somebody who has not registered it [23:55.200 --> 23:56.700] well the ticket's going to come to you [23:56.700 --> 23:58.200] and if you're a grandmother [23:58.200 --> 24:00.900] and your grandsons come visit you from Chicago [24:00.900 --> 24:01.900] and they drive your car [24:01.900 --> 24:02.800] you're going to get the ticket [24:02.800 --> 24:05.000] while your grandsons are driving your car [24:05.000 --> 24:06.400] it's just not right [24:06.400 --> 24:08.500] and here's the real twist for me [24:08.500 --> 24:10.300] is that the burden of proof [24:10.300 --> 24:12.800] is on the owner of the vehicle [24:12.800 --> 24:14.700] under the civil statute [24:14.700 --> 24:18.300] that they're persecuting people with [24:18.300 --> 24:19.600] the burden of the proof [24:19.600 --> 24:23.300] is on the person being charged with the crime [24:23.300 --> 24:26.000] which is reversed from the criminal law [24:26.000 --> 24:29.300] which says the state has to prove you wrong [24:29.300 --> 24:31.400] it has to prove you did the crime [24:31.400 --> 24:34.000] in this case you'd have to go prove [24:34.000 --> 24:35.500] that you sold the vehicle [24:35.500 --> 24:37.000] or it was transferred to someone [24:37.000 --> 24:38.200] or it had been stolen [24:38.200 --> 24:40.000] you're required to go do that [24:40.000 --> 24:41.600] or that somebody else was driving it [24:41.600 --> 24:43.700] you're going to have to finger somebody else [24:43.700 --> 24:45.000] and if it's your wife driving it [24:45.000 --> 24:46.900] I thought you had immunity [24:46.900 --> 24:49.700] where you didn't have to testify against your wife [24:49.700 --> 24:51.200] right [24:51.200 --> 24:52.900] there's all kinds of problems with it [24:52.900 --> 24:55.500] from that perspective [24:55.500 --> 24:56.700] in College Station [24:56.700 --> 25:02.100] the cameras were $4750 a month per camera [25:02.100 --> 25:04.000] the red light camera interest [25:04.000 --> 25:05.300] according to the contract [25:05.300 --> 25:08.800] guaranteed them a certain number of tickets [25:08.800 --> 25:10.100] in my opinion [25:10.100 --> 25:14.700] when you guarantee a certain number of actionable tickets [25:14.700 --> 25:17.700] it's constructive [25:17.700 --> 25:19.500] you know revenue generation [25:19.500 --> 25:20.600] in that it's a good [25:20.600 --> 25:22.600] from that perspective [25:22.600 --> 25:25.200] they're guaranteeing the total number of the tickets [25:25.200 --> 25:27.100] if they don't deliver that number of tickets [25:27.100 --> 25:29.300] they'll reduce their fees [25:29.300 --> 25:30.900] you can say it in different ways [25:30.900 --> 25:33.000] but to me that's a quota [25:33.000 --> 25:34.700] that that machine has [25:34.700 --> 25:36.500] and they're going to ensure that they deliver [25:36.500 --> 25:39.900] a number of actionable items to the city [25:39.900 --> 25:40.900] in College Station [25:40.900 --> 25:43.700] the city also paid them $3.75 [25:43.700 --> 25:46.300] for every ticket collected [25:46.300 --> 25:48.200] on where you paid online [25:48.200 --> 25:50.600] which is in direct violation of state law [25:50.600 --> 25:52.300] those are things that people around the state [25:52.300 --> 25:55.000] need to look into the contracts that exist [25:55.000 --> 25:57.100] these contracts are cookie cutter contracts [25:57.100 --> 25:59.000] that go from city to city to city [25:59.000 --> 26:02.200] they're all very similar [26:02.200 --> 26:04.100] Eddie you were going to make a comment about this [26:04.100 --> 26:06.700] yes in that particular area [26:06.700 --> 26:09.500] paying that fee for every ticket issued [26:09.500 --> 26:13.000] that's absolutely illegal under Texas law [26:13.000 --> 26:14.900] it's every ticket [26:14.900 --> 26:17.600] it's a fee they pay [26:17.600 --> 26:21.500] when you pay online with a credit card [26:21.500 --> 26:23.900] and the city instead of passing it on to the [26:23.900 --> 26:26.000] to the defendant [26:26.000 --> 26:28.100] just pays the red light camera company [26:28.100 --> 26:36.200] and that like I say is a direct violation of the state law [26:36.200 --> 26:37.500] well there [26:37.500 --> 26:39.900] the second book that I'm doing right now [26:39.900 --> 26:41.600] is going to be documenting [26:41.600 --> 26:43.300] quite a few of these laws [26:43.300 --> 26:44.900] where our legislature [26:44.900 --> 26:47.100] has completely departed from what [26:47.100 --> 26:50.000] authority we the people gave them [26:50.000 --> 26:53.100] and it's going to address that in specificity [26:53.100 --> 26:55.800] right along with actual legislation [26:55.800 --> 26:57.500] to correct the problem [26:57.500 --> 27:00.200] and allow us as the people [27:00.200 --> 27:01.800] to have some say so [27:01.800 --> 27:04.200] and ability to hold them accountable [27:04.200 --> 27:06.000] when they do these things [27:06.000 --> 27:08.600] now whether or not we'll actually get it enforced [27:08.600 --> 27:10.400] and passed into law [27:10.400 --> 27:11.800] that's a whole another question [27:11.800 --> 27:13.900] not without public support [27:13.900 --> 27:17.900] but we really need to be riding our legislature [27:17.900 --> 27:20.800] with very sharp spurs [27:20.800 --> 27:22.800] to do what we want them to do [27:22.800 --> 27:25.700] not what they think they can get away with [27:25.700 --> 27:26.700] correct [27:26.700 --> 27:28.700] well Eddie the ticket itself [27:28.700 --> 27:30.500] is supposed to have language on it [27:30.500 --> 27:31.700] according to state law [27:31.700 --> 27:33.000] that requires them to say [27:33.000 --> 27:35.500] that you cannot be arrested if you don't pay it [27:35.500 --> 27:37.500] and that it can't go on your credit [27:37.500 --> 27:41.400] and we see that they're now sending out [27:41.400 --> 27:43.400] that you can't renew the license plate of your car [27:43.400 --> 27:45.200] they call it scoff law [27:45.200 --> 27:48.200] but we have a website up where that [27:48.200 --> 27:50.200] we have Ed Emmett our county judge [27:50.200 --> 27:52.700] who says it's just not simply not true [27:52.700 --> 27:57.200] we're not withholding the renewal of the license plate of the car [27:57.200 --> 27:58.900] but they're doing this to scare people [27:58.900 --> 28:00.600] and they come from the police department [28:00.600 --> 28:02.400] and if you know anything about the law [28:02.400 --> 28:04.100] you know the police cannot [28:04.100 --> 28:06.100] get involved in civil matters [28:06.100 --> 28:07.700] they only get involved in criminal matters [28:07.700 --> 28:09.800] that's why you have constables and sheriff's deputies [28:09.800 --> 28:11.000] for civil matters [28:11.000 --> 28:13.000] but this notice comes to you [28:13.000 --> 28:15.300] with Houston Police Department [28:15.300 --> 28:17.300] photo enforcement program [28:17.300 --> 28:21.700] PO Box 59995 in Phoenix, Arizona [28:21.700 --> 28:24.300] and you mail the money to Houston Police Department [28:24.300 --> 28:27.500] photo enforcement PO Box in Cincinnati, Ohio [28:27.500 --> 28:29.700] it just reeks with injustice [28:29.700 --> 28:32.500] yeah, this is one place where I believe [28:32.500 --> 28:36.200] Mike Mears' Fair Debt Collection Practices Act package [28:36.200 --> 28:39.200] might get a secondary finding of good use [28:39.200 --> 28:41.300] because that's all that notice is [28:41.300 --> 28:43.100] is a notice of a debt [28:43.100 --> 28:45.200] and an attempt to collect it [28:45.200 --> 28:47.200] an alleged debt to boot [28:47.200 --> 28:49.000] it's nothing more [28:49.000 --> 28:52.400] which you sign no document that you're in a contract with them [28:52.400 --> 28:53.600] exactly [28:53.600 --> 28:58.400] so what you've got is a fraudulent attempt to collect an alleged debt [28:58.400 --> 29:02.400] which is a violation of your civil rights [29:02.400 --> 29:03.700] as the law likes to put it [29:03.700 --> 29:07.100] yeah, I bet there's not even a mini Miranda on it either [29:07.100 --> 29:11.400] so given that there is a good chance [29:11.400 --> 29:14.700] that Mike Mears' package could be used to prosecute [29:14.700 --> 29:16.500] I was just thinking that [29:16.500 --> 29:18.100] in federal court too [29:18.100 --> 29:20.500] you know what, guys, you know what I mean by mini Miranda [29:20.500 --> 29:22.700] it says that this is an attempt to collect a debt [29:22.700 --> 29:25.500] and any information obtained will be used to blah blah blah [29:25.500 --> 29:26.600] yeah, that's the mini Miranda [29:26.600 --> 29:29.600] I bet there's not even a mini Miranda on these things [29:29.600 --> 29:32.300] and yeah, it's time to file against them in federal court [29:32.300 --> 29:36.400] for under the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act [29:36.400 --> 29:37.800] let's get out of here [29:39.400 --> 29:40.500] okay, listen folks [29:40.500 --> 29:41.700] Jim is going to have to run [29:41.700 --> 29:43.600] but he's agreed to stay on for a few more minutes [29:43.600 --> 29:47.200] so folks, if you want to ask Jim Ash a question [29:47.200 --> 29:50.800] about his ordeals or anything else [29:50.800 --> 29:51.800] call in right now [29:51.800 --> 29:53.000] Jim will stay on a few more minutes [29:53.000 --> 29:55.500] Mike Kubosh is going to stay on with us for a little while longer [29:55.500 --> 29:58.000] we're on the topic of red light cameras [30:00.800 --> 30:04.000] it is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM [30:04.000 --> 30:06.600] but finding things on the internet isn't so easy [30:06.600 --> 30:09.600] and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with [30:09.600 --> 30:12.400] oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then [30:12.400 --> 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[33:21.540 --> 33:27.060] Oh yes, and by the way, the cat is out of the bag, it's okay to make the announcement. [33:27.060 --> 33:32.020] Chris Emery from Radio Free Oklahoma, the reason he's not doing the show right now currently [33:32.020 --> 33:39.900] is because after seven years, he's finally managed to get the funding to make his documentary [33:39.900 --> 33:47.980] that he's been preparing ever since 1995, folks concerning exposing the Oklahoma City [33:47.980 --> 33:52.660] bombing, what really happened, the evidence that they have, I mean, obviously we don't [33:52.660 --> 33:59.060] know every detail, but boy, do they ever have a mountain of evidence. [33:59.060 --> 34:06.060] So Holland Vanden Nieuwenhof, Chris Emery and the gang, James Lane of Radio Free Oklahoma [34:06.060 --> 34:13.300] and We Are Change Oklahoma, documentary should be ready in less than one year, the first [34:13.300 --> 34:17.100] one ever made on the Oklahoma City bombing, so that is coming up, they talked about it [34:17.100 --> 34:18.100] a little bit last night. [34:18.100 --> 34:23.460] So at any rate, we're going back now to Mike Kubosh and Mike, you're going to tell your [34:23.460 --> 34:28.780] story of how you got into all this and there was the stage running of the red light and [34:28.780 --> 34:32.540] all this kind of stuff, so why don't you just back up and tell your whole story from the [34:32.540 --> 34:35.780] beginning, how you and Paul got into this crusade. [34:35.780 --> 34:42.340] Well before the cameras ever came up in Houston, there was a tweaking of the transportation [34:42.340 --> 34:47.300] code, the commercial transportation code against the legislature and Linda Harper Brown in [34:47.300 --> 34:53.640] Dallas had a third reading of an amendment, on the third reading, she was the author so [34:53.640 --> 34:57.380] she could amend it, so she amended and put the word civil in the commercial trucking [34:57.380 --> 35:04.060] code and then the state senator concurred, but before they did, they asked one of the [35:04.060 --> 35:09.420] state reps, is this going to just affect commercial trucking and she never responded, but another [35:09.420 --> 35:16.700] one of the representatives said yes, so as a result it passed and then the next week [35:16.700 --> 35:20.740] she said in the Dallas Morning News, the trick of the amendment was now they can have photo [35:20.740 --> 35:26.940] enforcement, so the city scan, so as soon as this came up, we realized in Garland they [35:26.940 --> 35:32.420] had cameras, we ran up to Garland and I got a red light in Garland, a ticket in Garland, [35:32.420 --> 35:38.300] so you have to get a ticket to be harmed so you can challenge it in court, so I got the [35:38.300 --> 35:44.860] ticket and I was going to file a federal state lawsuit and in the meanwhile I saw the city [35:44.860 --> 35:48.340] of Houston was about to do it so we decided just well we'll just wait and do it in Houston, [35:48.340 --> 35:52.340] so we had let the media know we had ran the light in Garland and they said when you're [35:52.340 --> 35:55.820] going to do it in Houston let us know and the next thing you know we make a press release [35:55.820 --> 36:00.500] and on a Sunday morning we have about 30 to 40 folks out at this intersection called Milam [36:00.500 --> 36:05.980] and Elgin downtown Houston, there was no traffic and two squad cars pull up and say hey Michael [36:05.980 --> 36:08.700] are you going to run the light and I said yes and they said well let me have your drivers [36:08.700 --> 36:14.860] license, the media was if I was on TV I had to, I was mic'd up on one of the radio stations [36:14.860 --> 36:20.940] and they took my license and said we'll block the intersection for you, we don't want to [36:20.940 --> 36:25.980] be here, mayor's office made us come and in that way it would trump the red light camera [36:25.980 --> 36:29.420] ticket but they said look they've already turned the cameras off at every intersection [36:29.420 --> 36:33.180] thinking we didn't know which one of you was going to run so they're all off because they [36:33.180 --> 36:38.780] didn't want me to do it so at the right time I ran the light and there was quite a bit [36:38.780 --> 36:42.540] of emotion inside of me running the light right in front of the cops you know and anyway [36:42.540 --> 36:46.740] and so I pulled over and they handed me my ticket and the media ran up to the window [36:46.740 --> 36:49.780] and photographed me and the question they asked is well what do you think now that he [36:49.780 --> 36:54.340] gave you a ticket, I said well he should have, he seen me run the red light, I said that's [36:54.340 --> 37:00.620] what we need is more cops, he can tell why I ran the light, was I drunk, was I intoxicated, [37:00.620 --> 37:04.820] you know was I in a hurry but that red light camera can't tell why I ran the light but [37:04.820 --> 37:10.540] this police officer can, we need more cops and so the next thing you know we're on national [37:10.540 --> 37:17.300] TV, I'm on Fox, we're on CNN, you know all of a sudden I'm having these national interviews [37:17.300 --> 37:21.740] and had the cop not been there and I just ran the light it would have been a small matter [37:21.740 --> 37:26.220] but because they put the police there it just made it huge. [37:26.220 --> 37:31.500] Now wait a minute, okay let me get this straight, you were going to run, your intention was [37:31.500 --> 37:40.060] to run a red light where there was a red light camera at the intersection but when they somehow [37:40.060 --> 37:46.140] the word got spread that you intended on doing this and so they turned off all the red light [37:46.140 --> 37:47.140] cameras? [37:47.140 --> 37:50.780] All the cameras, yeah, in the entire city which there was only 10 of them at the time. [37:50.780 --> 37:55.500] And because they didn't want you to do it because they knew you were going to sue them? [37:55.500 --> 37:56.500] That's right. [37:56.500 --> 38:02.180] Oh my gosh, okay so you did it anyway and just got a ticket from the police instead? [38:02.180 --> 38:07.180] The police and then I get a call from one of the city councilmen and he said look you [38:07.180 --> 38:11.500] know there's a huge mistake and I've been called and asked you to go ahead and run the [38:11.500 --> 38:20.100] light again and we'll let you have a red light camera ticket and so they dismissed the actual [38:20.100 --> 38:26.700] running of the red light and you know the police wrote me and then they wrote me the [38:26.700 --> 38:31.780] other ticket and that's the one we took all the way to state court and we won the case [38:31.780 --> 38:37.460] on constitutional grounds that the evidence was unauthenticated but the judge did not [38:37.460 --> 38:39.260] go far enough and take the cameras down. [38:39.260 --> 38:43.060] Had she done that she'd probably still be in office today, she got voted out shortly [38:43.060 --> 38:44.060] thereafter. [38:44.060 --> 38:45.060] What year was this? [38:45.060 --> 38:51.700] Well it happened in 96 and the ruling was somewhere around 98, 99 and then the election, [38:51.700 --> 38:58.020] I mean 2009, it was the 90, not 90, it was 2006, by the time it took about two years [38:58.020 --> 39:04.140] to go to court about 2008, Bracewell and Giuliani's law firm represented the city of Houston and [39:04.140 --> 39:09.300] it just kept dragging on and finally upon the ruling you know if she would have taken [39:09.300 --> 39:14.580] the cameras down she would have been a hero and she would have won the next election but [39:14.580 --> 39:15.580] she didn't do it. [39:15.580 --> 39:18.980] Well did you ask for the cameras to be removed as part of your injunctive release? [39:18.980 --> 39:19.980] Of course, yeah. [39:19.980 --> 39:23.340] You know I wanted the cameras down, that was the whole motivation, everybody knew that. [39:23.340 --> 39:29.820] So she denied at least some of the items of your injunctive release that you asked for? [39:29.820 --> 39:34.740] But I won the case on constitutional grounds which then I couldn't appeal the case because [39:34.740 --> 39:39.740] I won it you know and she said under the Home Rule Charter she believes they have the right [39:39.740 --> 39:43.900] to have the cameras you know I mean she should have went further in taking the cameras down [39:43.900 --> 39:48.900] and we could have got her 77,000 people who hadn't paid the ticket to probably vote it [39:48.900 --> 39:53.140] for her what do you think? [39:53.140 --> 39:59.220] There's no way that you could have appealed her denying you those items of your injunctive [39:59.220 --> 40:01.420] release in your prayer? [40:01.420 --> 40:07.500] We won the case, we won it on constitutional grounds, it's just that we couldn't, we figured [40:07.500 --> 40:11.060] that to go any further we're just throwing money away. [40:11.060 --> 40:17.420] Right, so you got the ticket dismissed but you didn't get all the items of the injunctive [40:17.420 --> 40:20.180] release requested in your prayer? [40:20.180 --> 40:21.180] That's true. [40:21.180 --> 40:25.820] I will say this to you, we have been effective and the state convention at the Republican [40:25.820 --> 40:32.180] Party this past month, we got it on the Republican Party platform that the Republican Party wants [40:32.180 --> 40:33.820] to ban red light cameras. [40:33.820 --> 40:39.100] We were trying to get it on the Democratic ticket down in Corpus Christi and couldn't [40:39.100 --> 40:42.900] get anybody to get any traction to carry it down there but we're going to have to get [40:42.900 --> 40:49.820] back to the legislature again and we're going to have to get the legislature and the representatives [40:49.820 --> 40:53.980] to vote these cameras out and the state senators to get rid of these cameras. [40:53.980 --> 40:54.980] Absolutely. [40:54.980 --> 41:01.140] Indeed, oh my goodness, okay so this was in 96 you said? [41:01.140 --> 41:04.020] I said 96 but I mean 2006. [41:04.020 --> 41:16.060] Okay, okay so what else has happened in this crusade that y'all started way back in 94? [41:16.060 --> 41:19.460] What happened between 94 and 06? [41:19.460 --> 41:24.260] Well they came to Houston in 06, had they not came to Houston we were going to take [41:24.260 --> 41:29.860] up the battle when the first ones came up in Garland and we went up there and got a [41:29.860 --> 41:36.300] ticket in Garland and they put them up first so that's where the battle was going to take [41:36.300 --> 41:41.740] place but instead we heard that Houston was going to do it and now I think about 40 different [41:41.740 --> 41:43.900] cities have these red light cameras. [41:43.900 --> 41:49.100] These vendors have been really successful in selling this safety issue to folks and [41:49.100 --> 41:53.900] we're going to make you safe if you give us your money, you know? [41:53.900 --> 41:54.900] It's unbelievable. [41:54.900 --> 42:00.860] And when city councils are beginning to talk about this the city of Dickinson, Texas was [42:00.860 --> 42:06.980] considering red light cameras and the night they were doing the proposal I drove to Dickinson [42:06.980 --> 42:11.380] and did a presentation and told them about what was going to happen in their city when [42:11.380 --> 42:13.500] they got these red light cameras in. [42:13.500 --> 42:20.900] The city council voted unanimously to not put in the cameras so the time to strike is [42:20.900 --> 42:25.700] while the city councils are thinking about these contracts it will be in the news and [42:25.700 --> 42:30.940] go down and talk to the city council about what you're about to do to them when they [42:30.940 --> 42:34.300] put these cameras in. [42:34.300 --> 42:39.220] Well we did that in the city of Houston but Mayor White had already drank too late and [42:39.220 --> 42:43.220] he wanted the cameras and so did the red light. [42:43.220 --> 42:48.100] The red light camera folks had already had too much of an influence on these folks here. [42:48.100 --> 42:56.620] Oh my goodness, okay so you won the case in 06 in Houston, however the cameras were not [42:56.620 --> 42:57.620] taken down. [42:57.620 --> 42:58.620] Were they disabled? [42:58.620 --> 42:59.620] No, no, no. [42:59.620 --> 43:04.860] All they did was change and add an affidavit that doesn't, in my opinion, doesn't do a [43:04.860 --> 43:05.860] thing. [43:05.860 --> 43:09.980] Bracewell and Giuliani told the judge that they would make sure an affidavit was attached [43:09.980 --> 43:15.540] to be able to authenticate the fact that the videos were true and actual depiction of the [43:15.540 --> 43:16.540] events that occurred. [43:16.540 --> 43:17.540] Wait, wait, wait. [43:17.540 --> 43:21.260] Mayor Giuliani's law firm, Bracewell and Giuliani. [43:21.260 --> 43:26.380] Okay, yeah, this is the same Giuliani that was instrumental in the cover-up of 9-11. [43:26.380 --> 43:29.740] Oh it was, huh? [43:29.740 --> 43:32.540] Yeah, okay, okay. [43:32.540 --> 43:39.980] Oh my goodness, the same Giuliani who as soon as all the gold bars and silver bars were [43:39.980 --> 43:47.180] removed from the rubble, he stopped the firefighters and everyone else from rescuing any of the [43:47.180 --> 43:48.660] remains of the parish. [43:48.660 --> 43:52.500] Yeah, this is the same scum bag Giuliani. [43:52.500 --> 44:00.780] All right, we will be right back. [44:00.780 --> 44:03.620] Special roast hemp coffee from hempusa.org. [44:03.620 --> 44:08.060] Our coffee grows in the dense, volcanic-rich soil, herbicide and pesticide-free, and in [44:08.060 --> 44:10.060] the high altitudes of Guatemala. [44:10.060 --> 44:14.520] In conditions that are ideal for natural growth of this high-quality coffee, try our mellow [44:14.520 --> 44:19.340] cup of coffee that is ground and roasted with 25% hemp seed from Canada. 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[45:45.660 --> 45:52.220] As you can tell, I have zero respect for that liar, Giuliani, because I know what happened. [45:52.220 --> 45:53.940] I know people in New York. [45:53.940 --> 45:57.100] I have done so much research on 9-11. [45:57.100 --> 46:00.580] For years and years and years, I have researched it, and I know everything this man has done [46:00.580 --> 46:06.820] is just horrible, the way he treated the first responders and the victims of the families [46:06.820 --> 46:07.820] and everything. [46:07.820 --> 46:09.780] It was just horrible. [46:09.780 --> 46:14.700] All he cared about was rescuing the gold, and there are remains of thousands and thousands [46:14.700 --> 46:23.220] of people sitting in the landfill on Long Island right now, because Giuliani didn't [46:23.220 --> 46:26.860] care enough to recover the remains. [46:26.860 --> 46:28.380] All he cared about was getting the gold. [46:28.380 --> 46:34.660] Then, he wants to run for president on the 9-11 platform and have this big donation campaign [46:34.660 --> 46:36.740] of everybody give him $9.11. [46:36.740 --> 46:39.660] Yeah, he's going to get his one of these days. [46:39.660 --> 46:40.660] He's going to get his. [46:40.660 --> 46:43.500] At any rate, we're here with Mike Kubas right now. [46:43.500 --> 46:47.780] Mike, why don't you tell us right now what's going on? [46:47.780 --> 46:49.780] Where is the red light camera fight? [46:49.780 --> 46:54.100] What is the status in Houston now that you have won this case, but yet they're still [46:54.100 --> 46:55.460] going on? [46:55.460 --> 46:58.300] What's going on in the battle against the red light cameras in Houston? [46:58.300 --> 47:05.540] Well, we made a decision that once they weren't going to take the cameras down, we said, you [47:05.540 --> 47:11.260] know, we've got to have a vote, and we've got to get the citizens to vote. [47:11.260 --> 47:15.860] We came up... We had a number of planning meetings with lawyers that know how to talk [47:15.860 --> 47:20.540] about these charter amendment, challenge amendment. [47:20.540 --> 47:25.580] We drafted a petition that people can sign, and we send it out to them. [47:25.580 --> 47:34.220] Paul and I have 129,000 clients here in Harris County area, and we found that about somewhere [47:34.220 --> 47:39.540] around 30,000, 40,000 of them are registered voters here in Houston. [47:39.540 --> 47:45.620] A lot of them are outside of the actual Houston area, but they're in Harris County. [47:45.620 --> 47:52.620] We sent out a letter, and we've got right now about 12,500 verifiable signatures, and [47:52.620 --> 47:56.900] so we're about to do another mailing of 30,000 to people who live in the areas around the [47:56.900 --> 48:02.060] cameras who I'm sure are frustrated, because they're now writing tickets for write on red, [48:02.060 --> 48:05.820] so if you stop and look, and you stop and look, and you don't stop at a specific stop [48:05.820 --> 48:10.980] point on that line, they'll send you a ticket in the mail, and so people are really getting [48:10.980 --> 48:15.820] frustrated about this, and I get about 10 to 20 calls a day about red light cameras [48:15.820 --> 48:18.100] I have for years. [48:18.100 --> 48:22.300] People are angry about these cameras, so we decided, like I say, we would take it to the [48:22.300 --> 48:27.140] voters, and once we get all these signatures, we're going to take them to the city, we're [48:27.140 --> 48:33.500] going to have a big signature gathering on July the 4th, there's a fireworks display [48:33.500 --> 48:37.620] downtown Houston, and we've got about 30 votes coming down, we're going to have flipboards [48:37.620 --> 48:41.180] and petitions that can fill them out, take them around, and get them signed, hopefully [48:41.180 --> 48:46.020] we get 5,000 to 6,000 this weekend, and we're going to turn them in, we're going to try [48:46.020 --> 48:49.740] to get them on the ballot in November, now we've already been told by the red light camera [48:49.740 --> 48:56.940] vendors, they're lobbyists, they're consultants, they're hired guns, they've said, oh, this [48:56.940 --> 49:01.420] will never stand, they're not collecting them right, this didn't ever happen, but you know, [49:01.420 --> 49:03.980] we're going to do it, we're going to get it on the ballot, and if they don't put it on [49:03.980 --> 49:07.140] the ballot, we're going to meet at city council every meeting, and we're going to hammer them [49:07.140 --> 49:09.860] about it. [49:09.860 --> 49:14.540] The citizens need to vote, and remember this, every time a municipality has ever had an [49:14.540 --> 49:20.540] opportunity to vote against cameras, they've done it 100% of the time, take down the cameras. [49:20.540 --> 49:21.540] Absolutely, absolutely. [49:21.540 --> 49:28.420] When I go to city council, I would tell the mayor, I said, like Ronald Reagan said to [49:28.420 --> 49:35.260] Gorbachev, tear down that wall, I'm asking you mayor, tear down those cameras, and of [49:35.260 --> 49:40.020] course, I'm sure he'd act like he didn't even know I was in the room. [49:40.020 --> 49:47.380] He'd act like I didn't exist, that's okay, I know he heard me. [49:47.380 --> 49:52.500] Oh my goodness, all right, so give out your website, Mike, where people can go and get [49:52.500 --> 49:53.500] more information. [49:53.500 --> 50:04.900] Yes, it's www.nocameras.com, I'll say it again, no cameras, Houston.com, and if you go to [50:04.900 --> 50:09.540] the website, you'll find there's a lot of little buttons to push, you can see the media, [50:09.540 --> 50:13.980] you can see the mailing we've done, you can see all the little media things, you can sign [50:13.980 --> 50:17.700] up to, hey, I just want to know, I'll let you know I'm supporting you. [50:17.700 --> 50:21.580] If you live in Houston, or you know somebody who does, you can put their name and date [50:21.580 --> 50:27.580] of birth in, it'll print up their actual ballot, their petition, and they can sign it, mail [50:27.580 --> 50:30.500] it in, or you can mail it to them, let them sign it, mail it in. [50:30.500 --> 50:37.020] But we're doing everything we can to get rid of these cameras, because they're not helpful, [50:37.020 --> 50:39.980] they're actually increasing accidents everywhere they put them up. [50:39.980 --> 50:44.420] Has anybody filed any more lawsuits in Houston regarding these cameras? [50:44.420 --> 50:53.380] No, you know, I've learned that when you start doing things like this, you know, a lot of [50:53.380 --> 50:58.140] folks are really for you, but a lot of times, you know, they just don't have the means to [50:58.140 --> 50:59.140] do it. [50:59.140 --> 51:03.460] It costs a lot of money, it costs us $155,000 to do that, you know, and people aren't just [51:03.460 --> 51:07.340] going to spend that kind of money to take up an issue. [51:07.340 --> 51:10.700] Once they realize how much it costs, I have people tell me all the time, oh, it's a principal [51:10.700 --> 51:13.820] thing, I don't care what it costs, well, I'm going to tell you how much it costs, all of [51:13.820 --> 51:16.340] a sudden, okay, well, I guess I'm not going to do that, you know. [51:16.340 --> 51:19.820] Yeah, either that, or you have to learn how to do it pro se, you have to learn how to [51:19.820 --> 51:20.820] do it yourself. [51:20.820 --> 51:27.500] Absolutely, and the struggle continues, but without people getting politically active, [51:27.500 --> 51:32.780] the government will run roughshod over us. [51:32.780 --> 51:37.500] We must get involved, we must get engaged, we have to get engaged. [51:37.500 --> 51:42.460] Absolutely, I can't concur more, I mean, I'll tell you what, Mike, so, you know, I started [51:42.460 --> 51:49.860] getting active as an activist probably back in around 03, 04, when I first started learning [51:49.860 --> 51:56.220] about the truth about 9-11, and, you know, my degree is in math, okay, I'm a mathematician [51:56.220 --> 52:01.820] and a computer scientist by trade, and I also am a physical therapist, that's the field [52:01.820 --> 52:08.260] I got into after I was in the science field, okay, but since then, I've had to become an [52:08.260 --> 52:14.980] architect, I've had to become an engineer, I've had to become a physicist, I've had [52:14.980 --> 52:22.220] to become, study electromagnetics, I've had to become a forensics analysis in order to [52:22.220 --> 52:26.700] learn about, you know, the spheres and the nanothermite with the barium and all that [52:26.700 --> 52:32.700] kind of stuff, military-grade nanothermite that was found in the dust, unexploded military-grade [52:32.700 --> 52:38.460] nanothermite, I might add, that was found in the paint chips from the dust, from 9-11, [52:38.460 --> 52:44.100] so I've had to become a physicist and all these things, and now I've had to become a [52:44.100 --> 52:50.220] lawyer, so to speak, without a bar card, study law, learn about their code of criminal procedure, [52:50.220 --> 52:54.820] learn about the rules of evidence, and, you know, the federal civil rules of procedure [52:54.820 --> 52:59.700] and all these kinds of things, and now we're having to become chemical engineers so that [52:59.700 --> 53:06.340] we can learn about all these noxious gases like methylene chloride and benzene and hydrogen [53:06.340 --> 53:11.820] sulfide and whatever else from these volatile organic gases, low boiling point compounds [53:11.820 --> 53:15.580] and all these things, so it's like, yeah, it's a matter of survival, we've had to, [53:15.580 --> 53:21.340] Jerry and I have had to basically educate ourselves with degrees and like, at least [53:21.340 --> 53:27.420] a dozen different sciences in order just to learn how to survive, and so, yeah, unless [53:27.420 --> 53:33.300] you've got deep pockets to fight these people, you just have to learn to fight it yourself, [53:33.300 --> 53:39.220] you just have to get what we used to call in the old days, cracking the books, it's [53:39.220 --> 53:43.900] called hitting the books and studying, and thank God we have the internet, and I don't, [53:43.900 --> 53:47.740] Jerry and I don't have any children, I mean, I don't think, I don't see how we would have [53:47.740 --> 53:52.420] time to have children, the tremendous responsibility that's been placed on us, we feel like we [53:52.420 --> 53:57.260] have 10,000 children already just to take care of the listeners, so, yeah, folks, if [53:57.260 --> 54:03.300] it really means that much to you, you have to stand up and fight for your freedom because [54:03.300 --> 54:08.460] our forefathers put their lives on the line, and a lot of them did die, you know, including [54:08.460 --> 54:14.140] some of my ancestors, so I agree wholeheartedly, Mike, you know, folks are going to have to [54:14.140 --> 54:18.740] do it themselves if they don't have the money, and if we had the deep pockets, we probably [54:18.740 --> 54:22.340] wouldn't be fighting this battle anyway because it's the guys with the deep pockets that are [54:22.340 --> 54:25.740] calling all the shots, the guys and gals that is. [54:25.740 --> 54:31.620] Absolutely, and we're going to continue this battle, and we're going to get these cameras [54:31.620 --> 54:36.260] out of Houston, and once we do, we're also going to take all this to the legislature [54:36.260 --> 54:41.100] this next session here in Texas, and we're going to do everything we can to get the word [54:41.100 --> 54:47.220] out that we have got to, we've got to save our state, and we've got to save this country [54:47.220 --> 54:51.540] from this spiraling out of control government takeover. [54:51.540 --> 54:59.060] Good people are being convinced because they're not thinking, you know, they're being tricked [54:59.060 --> 55:00.060] in their mind. [55:00.060 --> 55:07.660] I was listening to a Christian radio station the other day, and the DJ said, I got a red [55:07.660 --> 55:12.140] light camera ticket in the mail, and I looked at the video they sent, and I was so glad [55:12.140 --> 55:16.340] they sent me the ticket because I didn't know I ran that light, and I paid it. [55:16.340 --> 55:20.580] So I called her, and it took me a while to get a hold over that day, but I got a hold [55:20.580 --> 55:23.460] over it, and I said, so you're glad you got the ticket? [55:23.460 --> 55:28.100] She said, well, yes, I said, well, you know, they now have black boxes they're putting [55:28.100 --> 55:32.060] in cars and have GPS, it'll also tell you every place where you sped because it knows [55:32.060 --> 55:36.220] what the speed limit is, it can tell you when you didn't turn your turn signal on, it can [55:36.220 --> 55:37.860] tell you when you didn't stop fully. [55:37.860 --> 55:42.140] I said, why don't we just have it download onto a modem at night and send you about 50 [55:42.140 --> 55:44.860] to 100 tickets every day for everything you've done wrong? [55:44.860 --> 55:49.260] And we can just set one up in your living room, too, and see how many times you go to [55:49.260 --> 55:50.260] the restroom. [55:50.260 --> 55:51.260] I said, well, what are we doing here? [55:51.260 --> 55:52.260] We don't need all this surveillance. [55:52.260 --> 55:55.900] She said, you know, you're right, I don't know why I said that, but you have to convince [55:55.900 --> 56:02.820] people that, hey, this isn't the way to go, all this government surveillance is wrong. [56:02.820 --> 56:03.820] It absolutely is. [56:03.820 --> 56:07.500] I want the government to get out of my life. [56:07.500 --> 56:10.100] I'll pay my taxes, just leave us alone. [56:10.100 --> 56:12.860] That's how I feel. [56:12.860 --> 56:13.860] Absolutely. [56:13.860 --> 56:14.860] It's totally unnecessary. [56:14.860 --> 56:22.700] It's more funny staying attached to us than leaving us alone, see? [56:22.700 --> 56:28.580] Our biggest mistake was allowing the government to presume that it has a right to generate [56:28.580 --> 56:31.340] revenue when it doesn't. [56:31.340 --> 56:35.780] It should never have one dime more than it takes to do the functions for which we put [56:35.780 --> 56:40.580] them in office and designed the government to run, and no more. [56:40.580 --> 56:46.100] It's not supposed to be a business, and it's definitely not supposed to be for profit. [56:46.100 --> 56:48.820] Absolutely not. [56:48.820 --> 56:53.420] And I believe the whole thing is completely satanic, and all of this surveillance, all [56:53.420 --> 56:59.140] of the technology, it's all headed towards the mark of the beast, the RFID chip implants, [56:59.140 --> 57:03.060] who where eventually, and a lot of people have already taken it. [57:03.060 --> 57:04.540] You think the mark of the beast isn't here? [57:04.540 --> 57:11.540] A lot of people have already taken it voluntarily in some circles because it's convenient to [57:11.540 --> 57:18.340] have this little chip implanted in your head or in your hand, the back of your hand, so [57:18.340 --> 57:22.620] that they can just scan it so that you can do all your banking and business. [57:22.620 --> 57:24.420] That's where it's headed right now. [57:24.420 --> 57:26.220] It already is here, people. [57:26.220 --> 57:28.740] It already is here. [57:28.740 --> 57:29.740] It's just right now. [57:29.740 --> 57:30.740] It's voluntary. [57:30.740 --> 57:35.340] And so this is how they push it off on people all the time, these draconian measures more [57:35.340 --> 57:36.340] and more and more. [57:36.340 --> 57:40.460] First, it's for convenience, and it's voluntary. [57:40.460 --> 57:45.940] Look how cool it is, and you'll save money and all these kinds of perks, but then eventually [57:45.940 --> 57:51.220] when it reaches a certain critical mass, that's when they make it mandatory. [57:51.220 --> 57:53.340] We have to say no. [57:53.340 --> 58:00.100] We have to say no because I do not believe that the Lord ever intended for us to worship [58:00.100 --> 58:02.500] the government as God. [58:02.500 --> 58:03.500] Absolutely not. [58:03.500 --> 58:04.500] No way. [58:04.500 --> 58:10.060] I mean, I know about the Romans 13 and everything, but this is an illegitimate government. [58:10.060 --> 58:13.100] These people are criminals, and they're trying to kill us. [58:13.100 --> 58:15.120] They're into population control. [58:15.120 --> 58:21.380] It's strictly all about revenue generation and controlling us and suppressing our freedom [58:21.380 --> 58:25.540] of speech and ultimately stopping the preaching of the gospel. [58:25.540 --> 58:31.620] All these hate crimes laws, it's to end freedom of speech to stop the gospel, and I am not [58:31.620 --> 58:34.540] in agreement with it, and I never will be. [58:34.540 --> 58:41.460] All right, so folks, if you would like to call in 512-646-1984, this is the rule of [58:41.460 --> 58:42.460] law. [58:42.460 --> 58:43.460] We've got one more hour. [58:43.460 --> 58:45.940] You can call in and ask Mike or myself or Eddie a question. [58:45.940 --> 58:48.320] Randy has the night off. [58:48.320 --> 59:12.620] We will be right back. [59:12.620 --> 59:41.180] All right, folks, thank you so much for joining us, and we'll see you next time. [59:41.180 --> 01:00:04.340] Thank you. [01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:09.700] The British government plans to begin forcibly returning child asylum seekers to Afghanistan [01:00:09.700 --> 01:00:11.740] possibly as early as August. [01:00:11.740 --> 01:00:17.140] The UK border agency aims to initially deport 12 boys a month to a reintegration center [01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:22.620] in Kabul that would provide care when their families cannot be found. [01:00:22.620 --> 01:00:27.800] Israel has renewed its offer to release 1,000 Palestinian prisoners if the captured soldier [01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.040] Gilad Shalit is freed. [01:00:30.040 --> 01:00:34.580] The Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned he would not pay any price for the release [01:00:34.580 --> 01:00:41.380] of Sergeant Shalit, seized by militants on the Gaza border in 2006. [01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:45.100] Attempts to contain the growing oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico have been hampered by [01:00:45.100 --> 01:00:47.500] the first hurricane of the season. [01:00:47.500 --> 01:00:51.780] Hurricane Alex slammed into Texas several hundred miles to the west of the oil slick. [01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:57.100] High winds and waves caused by the storm forced BP to call many boats back into port. [01:00:57.100 --> 01:01:01.740] This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet. [01:01:01.740 --> 01:01:06.940] Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair's fury at being told the Iraq war was illegal was [01:01:06.940 --> 01:01:11.540] revealed Wednesday after secret memos from his Attorney General were published. [01:01:11.540 --> 01:01:16.580] The Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war released Attorney General Lord Goldsmith's warnings [01:01:16.580 --> 01:01:22.340] to Blair the first time a government has ever declassified legal advice to ministers. [01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:27.460] The memos detail how time and again Goldsmith told Blair he risked taking the UK into an [01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:31.780] unlawful war and Blair's refusal to accept that fact. [01:01:31.780 --> 01:01:36.500] In one damning letter to Blair less than two months before the invasion Goldsmith told [01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:42.760] him UN Resolution 1441 on which the government came to rely does not authorise the use of [01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.100] military force. [01:01:44.100 --> 01:01:49.780] An aide to Blair wrote we specifically said we did not need further advice on this matter. [01:01:49.780 --> 01:01:56.760] In October 2002 Goldsmith warned Foreign Secretary Jack Straw Blair had gone too far in pledging [01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.540] support to George Bush. [01:02:00.540 --> 01:02:05.940] A key house that represented its panel voted Wednesday to cut off $4 billion in aid to [01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:11.560] Afghanistan pending an investigation into charges Afghan officials are blocking corruption [01:02:11.560 --> 01:02:15.340] probes and that huge amounts of foreign aid are being stolen. [01:02:15.340 --> 01:02:20.100] The move by the Foreign Aid Appropriations Subcommittee comes after the Washington Post [01:02:20.100 --> 01:02:24.620] reported the Karzai government was blocking corruption probes of political allies and [01:02:24.620 --> 01:02:28.740] that Afghan power brokers were moving billions of dollars out of the country. [01:02:28.740 --> 01:02:33.500] The panel's chairwoman representative Nita Lowy is demanding that the Government Accountability [01:02:33.500 --> 01:02:38.220] Office conduct an audit of billions of dollars of US aid. [01:02:38.220 --> 01:02:42.820] Representative Lowy said I do not intend to appropriate one more dime for assistance to [01:02:42.820 --> 01:02:48.860] Afghanistan until I have confidence US taxpayer money is not being abused to line the pockets [01:02:48.860 --> 01:03:09.260] of corrupt Afghan government officials, drug lords and terrorists. [01:04:18.860 --> 01:04:46.020] I do not intend to appropriate one more dime for assistance to Afghanistan until I have [01:04:46.020 --> 01:05:05.820] confidence US taxpayer money is not being abused to line the pockets of corrupt Afghan [01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:13.420] government officials, drug lords and terrorists. [01:05:13.420 --> 01:05:39.340] All right, we are back for our two of the rule of law. [01:05:39.340 --> 01:05:43.260] I'm Deborah Stevens, we're here with Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton has the night off, we're [01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:47.980] here with our guest Mike Kubash, one of the Kubash brothers has been on the crusade against [01:05:47.980 --> 01:05:55.460] red light cameras ever since 94, he won a case in Texas court here, however not all [01:05:55.460 --> 01:06:01.160] of the points of his injunctive relief were granted mainly, namely having the cameras [01:06:01.160 --> 01:06:06.780] removed from Houston so they're still on the campaign to have them removed and get the [01:06:06.780 --> 01:06:08.980] issue on the ballot this coming election. [01:06:08.980 --> 01:06:15.500] So folks, if you want to call in 512-646-1984, we do have some callers on the line, but before [01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:21.340] I go to the callers, Mike, would you please let folks know how they can get involved if [01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:28.140] they want to contact you to help set up, would you be able to help folks set up a campaign [01:06:28.140 --> 01:06:30.260] in their hometown against red light cameras? [01:06:30.260 --> 01:06:32.380] We'll do everything we can to help them. [01:06:32.380 --> 01:06:42.900] If they go to our website, www.nocamerasHouston.com, they can go on the website, fill out a part, [01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:47.900] one of the little areas there that gives us their information and they can contact us [01:06:47.900 --> 01:06:51.140] and we can furnish that information to them. [01:06:51.140 --> 01:06:56.820] It's important that people get active and get involved because this government's just [01:06:56.820 --> 01:07:00.060] going to continue taking away our liberties. [01:07:00.060 --> 01:07:07.820] And so please contact us and you can go to the area that in our website, there's a street [01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:09.820] sign that says Merge. [01:07:09.820 --> 01:07:13.620] You can join us on Facebook, Citizens Against Red Light Cameras. [01:07:13.620 --> 01:07:19.420] You can join our email list and there's other organizations that are involved in doing this [01:07:19.420 --> 01:07:23.300] around the country and you may want to join one of theirs if it's near you. [01:07:23.300 --> 01:07:30.020] But we're here in Houston and it's www.nocamerasHouston.com. [01:07:30.020 --> 01:07:31.900] Excellent. [01:07:31.900 --> 01:07:38.380] And I don't know that there is a significant organized movement here in Austin yet against [01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:40.660] the red light cameras in Austin. [01:07:40.660 --> 01:07:43.660] I know that there's a lot of really good activists here in town. [01:07:43.660 --> 01:07:48.500] There's a movement against the fluoride, getting the fluoride, evil fluoride removed from the [01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:49.500] water. [01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:54.180] There's toxic waste from the fertilizer and aluminum industry to get that out of our water. [01:07:54.180 --> 01:07:57.300] There's a lot of activist groups here in Austin. [01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:00.820] I don't know of any specifically against the red light cameras. [01:08:00.820 --> 01:08:05.540] So folks here in Austin, if you would like to start something up or get involved, please [01:08:05.540 --> 01:08:09.220] contact Mike at www.redlightcamerasHouston.com. [01:08:09.220 --> 01:08:11.540] No, it's www.nocamerasHouston.com. [01:08:11.540 --> 01:08:14.540] Oh, I'm sorry, www.nocamerasHouston.com. [01:08:14.540 --> 01:08:15.540] That's it. [01:08:15.540 --> 01:08:16.540] Okay. [01:08:16.540 --> 01:08:17.540] Sorry about that. [01:08:17.540 --> 01:08:18.540] www.nocamerasHouston.com. [01:08:18.540 --> 01:08:19.540] Okay. [01:08:19.540 --> 01:08:25.060] We're taking your calls, 512-646-1984, just like the George Orwell book. [01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:27.460] We are going now to Matt in Texas. [01:08:27.460 --> 01:08:28.860] Matt, thanks for calling in. [01:08:28.860 --> 01:08:29.860] What's on your mind tonight? [01:08:29.860 --> 01:08:32.380] Hey, thanks for having me. [01:08:32.380 --> 01:08:37.820] I recently got these red light camera tickets here in Austin, and I had no intention of [01:08:37.820 --> 01:08:38.820] paying it. [01:08:38.820 --> 01:08:44.820] And through communicating with the clerk of the municipal court that they have here, I've [01:08:44.820 --> 01:08:51.260] got them to admit that the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure don't apply, the Texas Rules [01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:56.860] of Criminal Procedure don't apply, the Texas Rules of Evidence does not apply. [01:08:56.860 --> 01:09:04.660] They've admitted that, they say in the ticket that it's a civil penalty, and that there's [01:09:04.660 --> 01:09:12.380] an administrative hearing, and so they've also said that this particular administrative [01:09:12.380 --> 01:09:18.340] hearing is not governed by the, what is it, the state board that governs all administrative [01:09:18.340 --> 01:09:19.340] hearings. [01:09:19.340 --> 01:09:25.540] And the Administrative Hearings Act within Texas specifically says that the Texas Rules [01:09:25.540 --> 01:09:29.860] of Civil Procedure apply within the administrative hearing. [01:09:29.860 --> 01:09:38.780] So my strategy for dealing with this, and I want to see these, you know, totally removed [01:09:38.780 --> 01:09:46.220] from Austin, I feel like it's tiptoe totalitarianism for sure, and we need to get these things [01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:47.700] out of here. [01:09:47.700 --> 01:09:58.020] So I'm thinking that if they go forward and they end up finding me, or putting some sort [01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:01.900] of a mark against my credit rating, because that's what I understand this will do if I [01:10:01.900 --> 01:10:08.940] don't show up for the ticket, that that will give me grounds then to sue them in federal [01:10:08.940 --> 01:10:20.740] court for deprivation of rights, civil rights, and that that could possibly be a vehicle [01:10:20.740 --> 01:10:22.980] for getting these things thrown out. [01:10:22.980 --> 01:10:27.740] Yeah, we were just discussing that earlier using the Mike Maris method, if they get into [01:10:27.740 --> 01:10:32.420] your credit report and all these kinds of things, violations of the Fair Debt Collections [01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:34.020] Practices Act. [01:10:34.020 --> 01:10:35.020] Right. [01:10:35.020 --> 01:10:38.060] So what do you think about that? [01:10:38.060 --> 01:10:46.900] I mean, I really don't have the time to, you know, put the suit together, but I'd be happy [01:10:46.900 --> 01:10:55.260] to fund it if somebody would help me put everything together and I'd go and do the filings if [01:10:55.260 --> 01:10:56.980] I actually came down to that. [01:10:56.980 --> 01:10:58.700] Now have you already paid the tickets? [01:10:58.700 --> 01:11:00.260] No, I haven't paid the ticket. [01:11:00.260 --> 01:11:02.020] I'm not going to pay the ticket. [01:11:02.020 --> 01:11:03.820] How long ago did this happen? [01:11:03.820 --> 01:11:11.580] So right now, I'm in the process of waiting for a 30-day reply to get them to admit that [01:11:11.580 --> 01:11:18.220] basically that I don't have to testify against myself. [01:11:18.220 --> 01:11:22.380] I'm waiting for them to answer a question relative to am I compelled to actually testify [01:11:22.380 --> 01:11:30.860] against myself by showing up, because I believe that I should be presumed innocent, right? [01:11:30.860 --> 01:11:34.220] And evidently, I'm not. [01:11:34.220 --> 01:11:40.900] In the case of these camera tickets, you're not presumed innocent at all. [01:11:40.900 --> 01:11:41.900] Right. [01:11:41.900 --> 01:11:46.260] And that by itself is a violation of civil rights, is it not? [01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:50.260] Well, it's a violation of due process is what it is. [01:11:50.260 --> 01:11:51.260] Okay. [01:11:51.260 --> 01:11:52.260] Very good. [01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:56.660] And they cannot put it on your credit, so if you want to, you know, don't worry about [01:11:56.660 --> 01:11:57.660] that. [01:11:57.660 --> 01:11:59.420] It's not going to go on your credit. [01:11:59.420 --> 01:12:03.540] Well, that's what they say they're going to do, they're going to turn it over to a collection [01:12:03.540 --> 01:12:04.540] agency. [01:12:04.540 --> 01:12:05.540] Well, right. [01:12:05.540 --> 01:12:10.780] Then it gets turned over to a collection agency, and I'm not going to pay the collection [01:12:10.780 --> 01:12:14.180] agency either, so I would think that at some point that's actually going to show up on [01:12:14.180 --> 01:12:15.180] my credit report. [01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:19.620] Well, that's where the Mike Mears stuff would actually come in handy. [01:12:19.620 --> 01:12:23.020] The fact that they've told you that they're attempting to collect the debt and give it [01:12:23.020 --> 01:12:29.380] to a credit agency shows that the applicability of Michael Mears' Fair Debt Collection Practice [01:12:29.380 --> 01:12:35.380] and Texas's procedures most likely will carry enough weight to bury them. [01:12:35.380 --> 01:12:43.380] Now, under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedures, this photo enforcement camera is found in [01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:50.780] the transportation code, it's in Title VII, Chapter 707, and one of the last things that [01:12:50.780 --> 01:12:56.380] it says at the very bottom, and I'm reading it, it says, pay you to pay a civil penalty, [01:12:56.380 --> 01:13:02.460] it says the imposition of a civil penalty on this chapter is not a conviction and may [01:13:02.460 --> 01:13:08.660] not be considered a conviction for any purpose, and the only enforcement there is, is under [01:13:08.660 --> 01:13:14.140] Section 707.017 where it says, enforcement, if the owner of a motor vehicle is delinquent [01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:18.900] in the payment of a civil penalty imposed on this chapter, the county assessor collector [01:13:18.900 --> 01:13:22.860] or the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles may refuse to rest for a motor vehicle alleged [01:13:22.860 --> 01:13:27.860] to have been involved in the violation, this section does not apply to the registration [01:13:27.860 --> 01:13:33.980] of a motor vehicle under Section 501.0234, which simply means that that other section [01:13:33.980 --> 01:13:39.340] is if your dealer is trying to transfer a car, then they do away with it once it gets [01:13:39.340 --> 01:13:40.340] to the dealer. [01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:46.820] That amendment was made to this last legislative section by one of the, by the House and the [01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:52.260] Senate, but I want you to understand that the tax assessor collector, it says, are the [01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:57.860] Department of Motor Vehicles may refuse, it doesn't say shall, shall is a must, they [01:13:57.860 --> 01:14:02.420] have to do it, may is, they can if they want to, and our tax assessor collector has already [01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:08.060] said no, and our county judge has to, here in Harris County. [01:14:08.060 --> 01:14:12.780] And also, we do have Paul Kubosch on the line, he's joined us, he was able to break free [01:14:12.780 --> 01:14:15.740] from his other obligations, Paul, thank you for joining us. [01:14:15.740 --> 01:14:17.740] It's good to be on the show. [01:14:17.740 --> 01:14:22.460] Okay, Paul, you said, absolutely, Paul, you said that you had some comments for the caller [01:14:22.460 --> 01:14:23.460] Matt. [01:14:23.460 --> 01:14:33.220] Yeah, you know, Mike, he hit the nail dead on the head, he hit the nail on the head. [01:14:33.220 --> 01:14:36.460] They can't do anything but suspend your registration. [01:14:36.460 --> 01:14:41.540] If your county, if your county Commissioner's Court, if they're on board, well then that's [01:14:41.540 --> 01:14:46.220] all they can do, they can just hold up the registration. [01:14:46.220 --> 01:14:52.300] As far as suing in federal court, you know, I would encourage you before you spend a lot [01:14:52.300 --> 01:14:57.300] of money to do some research about the lawsuits that have been filed, a lot of people have [01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:04.940] run the gamut federal court and the judges just will not, will not throw these cameras [01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:07.020] out based on civil rights violations. [01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:12.460] Paul, I think what we were talking about was suing under the Fair Debt Collections Practices [01:15:12.460 --> 01:15:19.020] Act for, against civil rights violations, for violations of collections practices statutes [01:15:19.020 --> 01:15:24.020] under federal law, you know, things like not putting the mini Miranda and these sorts of [01:15:24.020 --> 01:15:25.020] things. [01:15:25.020 --> 01:15:28.020] The government's going to be immune. [01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:33.020] Well, this would be, this would be suing the contractors and why, why would the government [01:15:33.020 --> 01:15:34.020] be immune? [01:15:34.020 --> 01:15:35.020] Sovereign immunity. [01:15:35.020 --> 01:15:36.020] Sovereign immunity. [01:15:36.020 --> 01:15:37.020] The government's going to be immune. [01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:44.020] That's, that's, the government's going to be immune, that's why the government can screw [01:15:44.020 --> 01:15:48.820] up, they can, they can sue you bad water bills, they can sue you all kinds of stuff like that, [01:15:48.820 --> 01:15:52.700] kind of lawyers would go all over that if you, if you could sue under the Debt Federal [01:15:52.700 --> 01:15:53.700] Act. [01:15:53.700 --> 01:15:57.460] But the, but the private, but if they're private contractors, if they're private entities, [01:15:57.460 --> 01:15:58.460] they're not immune. [01:15:58.460 --> 01:16:03.020] Well, they could be immune, but the private entity is operating under the, under the color [01:16:03.020 --> 01:16:04.900] of, under the color of the government. [01:16:04.900 --> 01:16:10.620] It's not, it's not APS who's sitting out the bill, it's the city of Austin. [01:16:10.620 --> 01:16:11.620] Okay. [01:16:11.620 --> 01:16:13.620] It's the city of Austin. [01:16:13.620 --> 01:16:19.260] It's just, it's just like if they, if they hire deputies, contract deputies to come and, [01:16:19.260 --> 01:16:24.740] they come and they beat up someone, you're not suing Wackahut Security Company, you're [01:16:24.740 --> 01:16:31.060] suing the, the local, the local cities who hired them. [01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:34.780] All right then. [01:16:34.780 --> 01:16:39.540] They've, they've, you know, they, they have thought this through, APS has got, they've [01:16:39.540 --> 01:16:44.220] had a bunch of lawyers sitting around for a very long time thinking this stuff through. [01:16:44.220 --> 01:16:49.020] And, and the longer start of it is the politicians have sold their souls for 20 pieces of silver. [01:16:49.020 --> 01:16:53.260] You know, I would, I would encourage the people in Austin if they're upset, but start, start [01:16:53.260 --> 01:16:54.260] a petition drive. [01:16:54.260 --> 01:16:57.260] Okay, listen, hold on, we're going to break, we'll be right back. [01:16:57.260 --> 01:17:02.260] Matt, stay on the line. [01:17:02.260 --> 01:17:07.540] Capital Coin and Bullion is your local source for rare coins, precious metals and coin supplies [01:17:07.540 --> 01:17:09.540] in the Austin metro area. [01:17:09.540 --> 01:17:11.580] We also ship worldwide. 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[01:17:48.740 --> 01:17:54.260] Ask for Chad and say you heard about us on Rule of Law Radio or 90.1 FM, that's Capital [01:17:54.260 --> 01:17:59.260] Coin and Bullion, 512-646-6440. [01:18:24.260 --> 01:18:50.460] Okay, we are back folks. [01:18:50.460 --> 01:18:55.900] The topic tonight is the red light cameras. [01:18:55.900 --> 01:19:02.300] Mike had to go, however, Paul Kubasch is here and okay, Paul, I was under the impression [01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:06.780] that the bills were coming from the private contractors themselves, but if they come from [01:19:06.780 --> 01:19:08.780] the government, that's a different story. [01:19:08.780 --> 01:19:10.820] We've got Matt from Texas on the line. [01:19:10.820 --> 01:19:12.860] Matt, do you have any more questions for Paul? [01:19:12.860 --> 01:19:20.620] One of the things that I'm wondering though is how is it even possible for them to have [01:19:20.620 --> 01:19:29.060] this court that is said to be, but it's not under the Administrative Procedures Act, it's [01:19:29.060 --> 01:19:35.660] not civil, it's not criminal, doesn't there specifically have to be some sort of legislative [01:19:35.660 --> 01:19:43.420] act that allows them to create this thing and because they're not actually, they don't [01:19:43.420 --> 01:19:52.300] have the authority to do that, I mean who really has the, I don't know, who has the [01:19:52.300 --> 01:19:55.300] responsibility of showing up in a court that's totally sham? [01:19:55.300 --> 01:20:02.260] Well, you know, you raised a good question because truthfully we did not litigate that [01:20:02.260 --> 01:20:06.940] part and the reason why we did not litigate that is because they could have easily have [01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:10.860] set it up under the authority of the municipal court. [01:20:10.860 --> 01:20:19.780] We didn't even look at that because they can get around that very easily. [01:20:19.780 --> 01:20:21.180] How can they get around that easily? [01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:26.500] Well, because all they have to do is if they didn't run it in that court, they can hold [01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:29.100] the hearings in this regular old municipal court. [01:20:29.100 --> 01:20:32.780] Well, what court has subject matter jurisdiction, I think is the real question. [01:20:32.780 --> 01:20:39.340] But if they hold them in the municipal court, then they still have to adhere to the Texas [01:20:39.340 --> 01:20:46.740] Rules of Civil Procedure and Civil and Criminal Procedure and Texas Rules of Evidence, do [01:20:46.740 --> 01:20:47.740] they not? [01:20:47.740 --> 01:20:50.900] I mean, they said specifically that they don't have to follow those things. [01:20:50.900 --> 01:20:57.740] Well, and that's why they go through the administrative stuff and we didn't fight that part. [01:20:57.740 --> 01:21:02.220] You know, in Houston, they hold it like a parking ticket, they do it just like a parking [01:21:02.220 --> 01:21:03.220] ticket. [01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:07.620] Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, did you just say any court would have subject matter [01:21:07.620 --> 01:21:08.620] jurisdiction? [01:21:08.620 --> 01:21:11.620] I mean, don't courts specifically? [01:21:11.620 --> 01:21:17.620] I think since it's a local art that enables it, we always thought that they could do it [01:21:17.620 --> 01:21:18.620] under the municipal court. [01:21:18.620 --> 01:21:19.620] Okay. [01:21:19.620 --> 01:21:22.660] But what court did they do it under then? [01:21:22.660 --> 01:21:23.660] I'm sorry? [01:21:23.660 --> 01:21:26.460] What court was it done under if it wasn't the municipal court? [01:21:26.460 --> 01:21:29.940] No, it was done in an administrative court and the municipal court. [01:21:29.940 --> 01:21:33.980] It wasn't done in the same traffic court that handles the class seating. [01:21:33.980 --> 01:21:38.020] The traffic court is the appellate court and that's where it stops. [01:21:38.020 --> 01:21:43.700] You cannot get it to the county and you can't get it to the court of appeals to get a written [01:21:43.700 --> 01:21:44.700] opinion. [01:21:44.700 --> 01:21:50.980] Here's the problem that I see, when a city creates an ordinance, even if the ordinance [01:21:50.980 --> 01:21:56.980] is based upon a state law, they're writing their own criteria for what the ordinance [01:21:56.980 --> 01:21:58.620] is. [01:21:58.620 --> 01:22:04.020] Texas Constitution Article 3, Section 29 says that all laws in Texas must have the enacting [01:22:04.020 --> 01:22:08.460] clause and that they must stipulate that they are passed by the legislature of the state [01:22:08.460 --> 01:22:12.020] of Texas, not a municipality and not a county. [01:22:12.020 --> 01:22:17.700] Well, how are they getting around the enacting clause requirement of the state constitution [01:22:17.700 --> 01:22:22.580] to charge you under an ordinance that the constitution says cannot possibly be law? [01:22:22.580 --> 01:22:27.940] Well, don't you think that whenever they made the amendments to the transportation [01:22:27.940 --> 01:22:34.420] code, when Senator Corona and Representative Murphy carried those bills through, don't [01:22:34.420 --> 01:22:37.100] you think that the transportation code would have enabled it? [01:22:37.100 --> 01:22:43.340] One of the things that we were finding is that all the tickets prior to that were in [01:22:43.340 --> 01:22:46.340] conflict with state law. [01:22:46.340 --> 01:22:51.340] Well, that was our position and that the municipal order should be thrown out because the municipal [01:22:51.340 --> 01:22:55.020] order cannot be in conflict with state law. [01:22:55.020 --> 01:23:00.940] That's true, but the problem that I see in your question there is, one, the legislature [01:23:00.940 --> 01:23:06.580] cannot legislatively alter the constitution or make any part of it null and void, so no [01:23:06.580 --> 01:23:11.060] legislative enactment has that power and authority. [01:23:11.060 --> 01:23:15.660] So whether they want to do it that way or not, to me, would seem to be irrelevant because [01:23:15.660 --> 01:23:19.020] they cannot legislatively alter the constitution. [01:23:19.020 --> 01:23:22.340] Well, while you have a... [01:23:22.340 --> 01:23:26.580] Well, I give you sympathetic gear on that. [01:23:26.580 --> 01:23:36.220] They did pass the transportation code, and they said that they could do it, and Judge [01:23:36.220 --> 01:23:38.220] Woods said it was okay. [01:23:38.220 --> 01:23:43.180] But the amendments to the constitution also specifically state that no amendment or change [01:23:43.180 --> 01:23:47.100] to the constitution can affect a vested right. [01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:52.780] So if they can't even affect a vested right through amendment of the constitution, how [01:23:52.780 --> 01:23:54.900] are they going to do it through legislative enactment? [01:23:54.900 --> 01:23:58.660] Well, what is the vested right? [01:23:58.660 --> 01:24:01.620] In this particular case, the right to due process of law. [01:24:01.620 --> 01:24:07.780] Now, see, you got the custody process, one is procedural, one is substantive due process. [01:24:07.780 --> 01:24:13.580] Procedural due process has been watered down so much that if they give you a hearing, it [01:24:13.580 --> 01:24:15.180] doesn't even have to be a fair hearing. [01:24:15.180 --> 01:24:18.500] They give you a hearing, and then you got procedural due process. [01:24:18.500 --> 01:24:22.780] And substantive due process, it's... [01:24:22.780 --> 01:24:29.300] You know, I agree with you, the laws should not be that way, but we spent a small fortune [01:24:29.300 --> 01:24:36.220] to get it through district court, and the judge just didn't agree with us. [01:24:36.220 --> 01:24:39.660] That's why we decided it had to be a political decision. [01:24:39.660 --> 01:24:44.180] We had to attack it politically, not legally. [01:24:44.180 --> 01:24:53.020] But you know, it would be interesting if somebody would file under those arguments in your county. [01:24:53.020 --> 01:24:55.020] They have to file a lawsuit. [01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:56.020] Yeah. [01:24:56.020 --> 01:25:01.340] Well, that's what I'm currently working on, is I'm actually working on a book with legislative [01:25:01.340 --> 01:25:05.820] enactments and everything else to put before the legislature to say, here's where you [01:25:05.820 --> 01:25:12.620] screwed up the Texas laws and made them completely incompatible with the Texas Constitution. [01:25:12.620 --> 01:25:14.940] And here's what we need to do to fix it. [01:25:14.940 --> 01:25:16.940] And it's expected that you do so. [01:25:16.940 --> 01:25:22.220] Well, I tell you what, if you're going to be in the legislature this year, please go [01:25:22.220 --> 01:25:25.060] to my website, pocahontahouston.com. [01:25:25.060 --> 01:25:28.140] I guarantee you I'll be there, and that's over. [01:25:28.140 --> 01:25:33.820] A vast majority of the House members agree with you, agree with you with the end result [01:25:33.820 --> 01:25:39.500] that they hate cameras, and a majority of the senators do, because they need to choose [01:25:39.500 --> 01:25:43.420] their majority to pass something, they can't get it passed. [01:25:43.420 --> 01:25:50.420] But a majority of the representatives and senators don't like the camera. [01:25:50.420 --> 01:25:56.220] So you know, I'd love to stay in contact with you if you're going to be up there. [01:25:56.220 --> 01:26:01.620] Well, that's the opportunity we've been offered, is the way it was put to me. [01:26:01.620 --> 01:26:06.780] I've been told that if I can get the materials together and get them presented to the Speaker [01:26:06.780 --> 01:26:12.820] of the House, that they will schedule something for us to make an appearance for that purpose. [01:26:12.820 --> 01:26:15.820] Now, Tal, why are you saying two-thirds? [01:26:15.820 --> 01:26:18.820] Well, it's the blocker bill. [01:26:18.820 --> 01:26:21.820] The Senate has a blocker bill before they can get something on the floor. [01:26:21.820 --> 01:26:29.820] I believe they have two-thirds or something like that to get it on the floor to be voted [01:26:29.820 --> 01:26:30.820] on. [01:26:30.820 --> 01:26:34.820] Even though it's only required of majority for it to pass. [01:26:34.820 --> 01:26:35.820] That's right. [01:26:35.820 --> 01:26:37.820] It's their own local rule. [01:26:37.820 --> 01:26:43.820] One senator here from Houston, a Republican senator, was trying to get them to back off [01:26:43.820 --> 01:26:45.820] of that, and they never would do it. [01:26:45.820 --> 01:26:48.820] This is like parliamentary tricks. [01:26:48.820 --> 01:26:52.820] Yeah, I think it's, I can't remember exactly what they do, but they call it the blocker [01:26:52.820 --> 01:26:53.820] bill. [01:26:53.820 --> 01:26:55.820] It's the very first bill that passed the Senate. [01:26:55.820 --> 01:26:59.820] That's why you don't ever see a lot of debate in the Senate, because before they bring stuff [01:26:59.820 --> 01:27:02.820] up, they have to make all the deals behind doors. [01:27:02.820 --> 01:27:03.820] Oh, absolutely. [01:27:03.820 --> 01:27:05.820] Oh, yeah, they've got to have the secret deals. [01:27:05.820 --> 01:27:06.820] No question about it. [01:27:06.820 --> 01:27:07.820] Yeah. [01:27:07.820 --> 01:27:12.820] Well, and in the House, you'll see debate, but in the Senate, you won't see much debate [01:27:12.820 --> 01:27:15.820] on the floor, because you need the two-thirds, folks. [01:27:15.820 --> 01:27:17.820] No, it's all backroom deals. [01:27:17.820 --> 01:27:20.820] All right, Matt, do you have any other questions for Paul? [01:27:20.820 --> 01:27:22.820] No, not right now. [01:27:22.820 --> 01:27:23.820] Okay. [01:27:23.820 --> 01:27:24.820] Please stay in touch. [01:27:24.820 --> 01:27:25.820] I'd love to hear from you. [01:27:25.820 --> 01:27:26.820] Okay. [01:27:26.820 --> 01:27:27.820] Thanks, Bob. [01:27:27.820 --> 01:27:28.820] All right, yeah. [01:27:28.820 --> 01:27:29.820] Thank you, folks. [01:27:29.820 --> 01:27:36.820] Anyone who wants to contact the Kubosh brothers, go to NoCamerasHouston.com, because we definitely [01:27:36.820 --> 01:27:40.820] need something started up here in Austin against the red light cameras. [01:27:40.820 --> 01:27:43.820] We've got to get these things thrown out. [01:27:43.820 --> 01:27:46.820] How are people in Austin, how are they feeling about it? [01:27:46.820 --> 01:27:48.820] Are they as angry as we are in Houston? [01:27:48.820 --> 01:27:50.820] Oh, everybody's angry about it, absolutely. [01:27:50.820 --> 01:27:54.820] I mean, it crosses party lines in Houston, Republican and Democrat. [01:27:54.820 --> 01:27:55.820] It's a voter revolt. [01:27:55.820 --> 01:28:03.820] The thing is, Paul, is that Austin is so full of activists, and there are so many issues [01:28:03.820 --> 01:28:06.820] that we're working on, on so many levels. [01:28:06.820 --> 01:28:11.820] I mean, like getting the fluoride out of the water and things like that, that I think that, [01:28:11.820 --> 01:28:18.820] you know, people just haven't taken up the red light camera issue yet as much as could be. [01:28:18.820 --> 01:28:21.820] Well, they haven't written up tickets yet. [01:28:21.820 --> 01:28:24.820] Exactly, exactly. [01:28:24.820 --> 01:28:31.820] Well, I mean, right now we're trying to stop, I mean, these draconian measures of the Agenda 21, [01:28:31.820 --> 01:28:35.820] the U.N. Agenda 21 being implemented through our own electric company. [01:28:35.820 --> 01:28:38.820] They want to tax us unbelievably. [01:28:38.820 --> 01:28:41.820] I mean, it's going to like double and triple the electric bills. [01:28:41.820 --> 01:28:47.820] This is like the litmus test here in Austin before they bring it to the rest of the state, [01:28:47.820 --> 01:28:55.820] where they're going to have special kinds of power meters that are going to meter your power consumption, [01:28:55.820 --> 01:29:01.820] and it's even going to be attached to your thermostats of your refrigerator and your air conditioning. [01:29:01.820 --> 01:29:06.820] And if they decide that you're using too much power, you know, you've got it too cool in your house, [01:29:06.820 --> 01:29:11.820] it's going to automatically change the temperature in your refrigerator and your air conditioning [01:29:11.820 --> 01:29:12.820] and things like this. [01:29:12.820 --> 01:29:20.820] And so people are a little bit, I say so much up in arms over the invasion into your own home [01:29:20.820 --> 01:29:29.820] under Agenda 21, under these pretty little fluffy phrases like smart growth and smart grid [01:29:29.820 --> 01:29:31.820] and sustainable development. [01:29:31.820 --> 01:29:38.820] Folks, anytime you hear the words sustainable or smart, just realize that's all global government, [01:29:38.820 --> 01:29:45.820] UN, Agenda 21 crap to take away your private property and control your life. [01:29:45.820 --> 01:29:52.820] So folks are fighting on like some higher levels here in Austin because we're serving as a litmus test [01:29:52.820 --> 01:29:53.820] for these folks. [01:29:53.820 --> 01:29:56.820] So the red light cameras have taken the back burner, but yeah, we've got to take that up. [01:29:56.820 --> 01:29:59.820] We'll be right back. 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[01:32:14.820 --> 01:32:18.820] All right, we're not going to let them chip us either with the RFID chip implant, [01:32:18.820 --> 01:32:21.820] Mark of the Beast, which is already upon us. [01:32:21.820 --> 01:32:23.820] We were discussing that earlier. [01:32:23.820 --> 01:32:29.820] All right, we're speaking with Paul Kubasch, heir of NoCamerasHouston.com, [01:32:29.820 --> 01:32:34.820] an attorney who's leading the charge against the red light cameras in Houston, [01:32:34.820 --> 01:32:37.820] helped my good friend Jim Ash defeat red light cameras [01:32:37.820 --> 01:32:41.820] and have them removed out of the city of College Station. [01:32:41.820 --> 01:32:42.820] We're very happy about that. [01:32:42.820 --> 01:32:44.820] And now we're going to take them down here in Texas. [01:32:44.820 --> 01:32:47.820] And yeah, Paul, absolutely, we need a group here in Austin. [01:32:47.820 --> 01:32:49.820] But, you know, we've been, here in Austin, [01:32:49.820 --> 01:32:54.820] some of the main issues that we've been fighting are like the trans-Texas corridor, okay, [01:32:54.820 --> 01:32:57.820] trying to keep the NAFTA highway and the trans-Texas corridor [01:32:57.820 --> 01:33:01.820] from coming right up through the center of our town and the center of the state. [01:33:01.820 --> 01:33:06.820] And so that's one reason why the red light cameras have taken a little bit of a back burner, [01:33:06.820 --> 01:33:10.820] because, you know, we're trying to keep our sovereignty here of the state [01:33:10.820 --> 01:33:14.820] and keep all the illegal trade and all the vaccinations, [01:33:14.820 --> 01:33:19.820] which are poisoned with cancer viruses and such from coming in up this highway. [01:33:19.820 --> 01:33:22.820] So at any rate, we've done a lot of good work there. [01:33:22.820 --> 01:33:24.820] We've stopped the toll roads. [01:33:24.820 --> 01:33:28.820] One of the most major highways here in Austin, East Ben White, [01:33:28.820 --> 01:33:33.820] anybody that travels on Ben White from I-35 towards the airport, [01:33:33.820 --> 01:33:36.820] that was going to be a toll road, people, [01:33:36.820 --> 01:33:41.820] if it wasn't for the likes of Richard Reeves and Sal Castello and all the others [01:33:41.820 --> 01:33:47.820] who put in so much work to stop the toll roads here in Austin. [01:33:47.820 --> 01:33:51.820] And, of course, there still are some toll roads, but they're mostly new roads. [01:33:51.820 --> 01:33:56.820] But we did do a considerable amount of work to keep them from turning existing roads [01:33:56.820 --> 01:33:59.820] that have already been paid for into toll roads. [01:33:59.820 --> 01:34:03.820] So, Paul, those are some of the issues that we've been fighting really hard over [01:34:03.820 --> 01:34:09.820] concerning, you know, traffic and toll roads and all these kinds of issues here in Austin. [01:34:09.820 --> 01:34:12.820] So, but, yeah, it's time to take up the red light cameras, too. [01:34:12.820 --> 01:34:14.820] The battle never ends, it seems. [01:34:14.820 --> 01:34:15.820] All right. [01:34:15.820 --> 01:34:18.820] The battle is to stop overreaching. [01:34:18.820 --> 01:34:20.820] That's good work. [01:34:20.820 --> 01:34:21.820] Exactly. [01:34:21.820 --> 01:34:24.820] Okay, we're going now to Stan in Texas. [01:34:24.820 --> 01:34:26.820] All right, Stan, thanks for calling in. [01:34:26.820 --> 01:34:27.820] What is your question for Paul? [01:34:27.820 --> 01:34:28.820] Hi, Deborah, Eddie. [01:34:28.820 --> 01:34:29.820] How are you? [01:34:29.820 --> 01:34:30.820] Pretty good. [01:34:30.820 --> 01:34:31.820] All right, Stan, how are you doing? [01:34:31.820 --> 01:34:32.820] I'm doing great. [01:34:32.820 --> 01:34:35.820] Paul, nice to hear you guys talking about this. [01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:36.820] There were a couple things. [01:34:36.820 --> 01:34:41.820] I heard you guys talking earlier about governmental immunity, [01:34:41.820 --> 01:34:48.820] and definitely under the 11th Amendment there's a bar where states, [01:34:48.820 --> 01:34:53.820] you can't bring a suit against a state in a federal court, [01:34:53.820 --> 01:35:00.820] but you can bring, a citizen can bring a suit against a governmental subdivision, [01:35:00.820 --> 01:35:08.820] like a county or a city, or an individual governmental agent who's acting on behalf of those subdivisions. [01:35:08.820 --> 01:35:14.820] You can certainly bring the bar for the 11th Amendment bar. [01:35:14.820 --> 01:35:16.820] That's the exception. [01:35:16.820 --> 01:35:24.820] So there definitely is a possibility of bringing federal suit against the state, [01:35:24.820 --> 01:35:27.820] I'm sorry, against the city or the county. [01:35:27.820 --> 01:35:30.820] And also, I haven't heard anybody mention it, [01:35:30.820 --> 01:35:35.820] but earlier on you guys were talking about how the college station rolls [01:35:35.820 --> 01:35:42.820] where they were basically spiffing the contractor for every ticket they wrote. [01:35:42.820 --> 01:35:50.820] I've actually been helping Matt a little bit with his case against the city or with the city. [01:35:50.820 --> 01:35:58.820] And if you look at the statute, it says also they have to have an engineering study that is submitted [01:35:58.820 --> 01:36:07.820] to have proof that has information about why they need to have a traffic camera at that particular light. [01:36:07.820 --> 01:36:09.820] Like I said, I didn't hear anybody mention it. [01:36:09.820 --> 01:36:11.820] Maybe it's been taken out of the law or whatever. [01:36:11.820 --> 01:36:14.820] But from what I saw when I started looking into it, [01:36:14.820 --> 01:36:18.820] there were like two or three different criteria that had to meet. [01:36:18.820 --> 01:36:26.820] They had to have a sign within like 100 or 300 feet announcing that there was a red light camera in action. [01:36:26.820 --> 01:36:29.820] And there was also something about an engineering study. [01:36:29.820 --> 01:36:35.820] So to me, if we were to try to defeat this en masse as a group, [01:36:35.820 --> 01:36:38.820] we would just get a bunch of people to go out and start running these lights [01:36:38.820 --> 01:36:42.820] and keep going and asking saying where's the engineering study, where's the sign. [01:36:42.820 --> 01:36:47.820] Now I know Matt said that he went back to the intersection where he had gotten the ticket [01:36:47.820 --> 01:36:50.820] and that there was now a sign. [01:36:50.820 --> 01:36:59.820] But, you know, it seems to me that if the city just wants to blatantly disregard the law, [01:36:59.820 --> 01:37:01.820] then they need to be held accountable. [01:37:01.820 --> 01:37:05.820] Just like if I walked around with a 12-gig loaded with DuctLock buckshot [01:37:05.820 --> 01:37:10.820] and said I'm just going to shoot every one of these traffic cameras that I see, [01:37:10.820 --> 01:37:13.820] they would be on me with a SWAT team within about 10 minutes. [01:37:13.820 --> 01:37:14.820] Why? [01:37:14.820 --> 01:37:15.820] Because I'm violating the law. [01:37:15.820 --> 01:37:22.820] And I'm sure I would get some sort of contractual thing from the contractor who said, [01:37:22.820 --> 01:37:24.820] you're now responsible for destroying our property. [01:37:24.820 --> 01:37:29.820] So I mean the door can definitely swing both ways. [01:37:29.820 --> 01:37:34.820] And I know Paul has definitely, you know, been in the trenches and seen that it might swing both ways, [01:37:34.820 --> 01:37:39.820] but there's a bunch of people that like to stick their foot on it and not let it swing that way. [01:37:39.820 --> 01:37:45.820] But I don't know, Paul, did you see anything in the statutes about the engineering studies [01:37:45.820 --> 01:37:48.820] that were supposed to be submitted? [01:37:48.820 --> 01:37:50.820] Yeah, I did. [01:37:50.820 --> 01:37:54.820] But, you know, when we were looking at finding the cameras, [01:37:54.820 --> 01:37:57.820] you have the engineering studies that are supposed to be submitted. [01:37:57.820 --> 01:38:01.820] So you meet a bunch of tickets, but you don't solve the problem. [01:38:01.820 --> 01:38:06.820] That's why we ignored that, because we felt like we had to go for the juggler. [01:38:06.820 --> 01:38:10.820] And that's what we're tempted to do. [01:38:10.820 --> 01:38:15.820] So we ignored some of the more obvious things because they could fix it. [01:38:15.820 --> 01:38:17.820] You know, they don't have an engineering study. [01:38:17.820 --> 01:38:22.820] The City of Houston doesn't have a committee to review whether cameras are supposed to go up. [01:38:22.820 --> 01:38:24.820] They don't do a lot of things like that. [01:38:24.820 --> 01:38:28.820] And if we were to fall, we would spend a lot of time and effort, [01:38:28.820 --> 01:38:32.820] and yeah, we would have beat the tickets, but the end result is we still have cameras. [01:38:32.820 --> 01:38:34.820] So that's why we bypassed those. [01:38:34.820 --> 01:38:39.820] Well, wouldn't that be, and Eddie might be a more appropriate person for this question, [01:38:39.820 --> 01:38:44.820] wouldn't there be sort of a mandate in the sense that if you can show, say, [01:38:44.820 --> 01:38:48.820] to the attorney general that you have a municipality who's knowingly [01:38:48.820 --> 01:38:55.820] and intentionally violating a state law by enacting these, by putting up these cameras, [01:38:55.820 --> 01:39:00.820] or a city actually would be, who's putting up these cameras, [01:39:00.820 --> 01:39:07.820] and they're just not paying attention to the rules, they're sniffing the contractor, [01:39:07.820 --> 01:39:14.820] or they're submitting engineering studies, wouldn't that be grounds, [01:39:14.820 --> 01:39:19.820] wouldn't somebody have grounds to go to the A.A.G. and say, why aren't you prosecuting this? [01:39:19.820 --> 01:39:22.820] I mean, here's the statute, here's what they're doing. [01:39:22.820 --> 01:39:23.820] They're not doing this. [01:39:23.820 --> 01:39:27.820] We need, I want, to ever respond. [01:39:27.820 --> 01:39:32.820] Yeah, you should be able to do that, Stan, I completely agree, [01:39:32.820 --> 01:39:36.820] but you're also operating under the presumption that these cities and the judges [01:39:36.820 --> 01:39:41.820] and the prosecutors in these cities would actually be willing to obey the law in the first place, [01:39:41.820 --> 01:39:42.820] and they aren't. [01:39:42.820 --> 01:39:47.820] They won't even obey the law and the procedure they're supposed to follow for a standard traffic ticket. [01:39:47.820 --> 01:39:53.820] They're certainly not going to do it in whatever would be part of their biggest revenue generation. [01:39:53.820 --> 01:39:54.820] They're not doing it now. [01:39:54.820 --> 01:39:56.820] I wouldn't expect them to do it later. [01:39:56.820 --> 01:39:58.820] That's exactly right. [01:39:58.820 --> 01:39:59.820] I'm sorry? [01:39:59.820 --> 01:40:00.820] That's exactly right. [01:40:00.820 --> 01:40:02.820] You're just dead on. [01:40:02.820 --> 01:40:09.820] Basically, unless you actually get people in government that are willing to do what the law says they must, [01:40:09.820 --> 01:40:10.820] it's a moot point. [01:40:10.820 --> 01:40:15.820] Short of tar feathers, a rope, and a tree, we're not going to change it any other way [01:40:15.820 --> 01:40:18.820] if these people aren't willing to do it. [01:40:18.820 --> 01:40:20.820] That's the whole problem. [01:40:20.820 --> 01:40:26.820] They believe they've now made themselves completely immune from the will of the people [01:40:26.820 --> 01:40:33.820] and have turned it into the will of the legislature, and that's not what we're supposed to be about. [01:40:33.820 --> 01:40:41.820] Now, Paul, what is your take on what Stan was saying earlier about suing municipalities? [01:40:41.820 --> 01:40:45.820] Here's what happens when you sue a municipality. [01:40:45.820 --> 01:40:51.820] First thing you can do when you sue a municipality is they'll file what's called a plea to the jurisdiction, [01:40:51.820 --> 01:41:00.820] and that means they'll suit it up to the appellate courts to litigate whether or not sovereign immunity applies, [01:41:00.820 --> 01:41:05.820] and then after you go to the Court of Appeals and after you go to the Texas Supreme Court, [01:41:05.820 --> 01:41:09.820] then you're sent back down to the traffic court. [01:41:09.820 --> 01:41:15.820] I'm not talking about the traffic court, but the district court, probably about three and a half years later. [01:41:15.820 --> 01:41:18.820] There's a problem. [01:41:18.820 --> 01:41:20.820] They stall it. [01:41:20.820 --> 01:41:24.820] You have to be able to get it out. [01:41:24.820 --> 01:41:30.820] And sometimes, you know, we always felt like whenever you're suing a municipality through that mechanism, [01:41:30.820 --> 01:41:34.820] then, you know, it becomes a form of political issue. [01:41:34.820 --> 01:41:36.820] You know, people aren't said anymore. [01:41:36.820 --> 01:41:37.820] You still have the people with you. [01:41:37.820 --> 01:41:39.820] It's just a problem. [01:41:39.820 --> 01:41:45.820] Well, Paul, what if you sued as a counter-complaint in the traffic ticket case? [01:41:45.820 --> 01:41:46.820] Say that again? [01:41:46.820 --> 01:41:52.820] What if your lawsuit was a counter-complaint because they have a case against you, [01:41:52.820 --> 01:41:54.820] so you file a counter-complaint? [01:41:54.820 --> 01:41:57.820] Then they can't argue that jurisdiction issue. [01:41:57.820 --> 01:42:02.820] You mean, but if you file a counter-complaint, where would you file it? [01:42:02.820 --> 01:42:11.820] You know, that's the whole thing, if, you know, you can't file it in the administrative hearing. [01:42:11.820 --> 01:42:12.820] So where do you file it? [01:42:12.820 --> 01:42:16.820] You have to file it in the district court. [01:42:16.820 --> 01:42:19.820] Why wouldn't you file it in the municipal court? [01:42:19.820 --> 01:42:25.820] Because the municipal court won't have jurisdiction because that's a traffic court. [01:42:25.820 --> 01:42:28.820] That's a criminal court. [01:42:28.820 --> 01:42:31.820] You're making a counter-criminal complaint. [01:42:31.820 --> 01:42:33.820] No, you can't make a counter-criminal complaint. [01:42:33.820 --> 01:42:34.820] Under what procedure? [01:42:34.820 --> 01:42:36.820] How would you do that? [01:42:36.820 --> 01:42:40.820] Well, now, I actually was talking about a civil counter-complaint. [01:42:40.820 --> 01:42:43.820] Yeah, you'd have to file that in the district court. [01:42:43.820 --> 01:42:45.820] Or what about county court? [01:42:45.820 --> 01:42:48.820] Or you could file it in county court. [01:42:48.820 --> 01:42:51.820] I would assume you could file it in county court. [01:42:51.820 --> 01:42:52.820] I'm not real sure. [01:42:52.820 --> 01:42:56.820] I don't see the – I think you'd have to go in district court. [01:42:56.820 --> 01:43:00.820] I think that's where the jurisdiction would be, but I'm not sure. [01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:06.820] We're always filing district court, but I guess you could file in county court. [01:43:06.820 --> 01:43:08.820] Okay. [01:43:08.820 --> 01:43:09.820] All right, folks. [01:43:09.820 --> 01:43:11.820] We've got one more segment here. [01:43:11.820 --> 01:43:13.820] We're about to go to break. [01:43:13.820 --> 01:43:18.820] Folks, if you want to call in, 512-646-1984. [01:43:18.820 --> 01:43:20.820] We're taking your calls. [01:43:20.820 --> 01:43:24.820] We've got one more segment with Paul Kubasz talking about the red light camera issue. [01:43:24.820 --> 01:43:28.820] When we come back, we're going to go to Gary in Georgia. [01:43:28.820 --> 01:43:30.820] And then we have open phone lines. [01:43:30.820 --> 01:43:37.820] So, folks, if you'd like to call in, one more segment to talk to Paul Kubasz or Eddie or myself. [01:43:37.820 --> 01:43:38.820] We'll be right back. [01:43:38.820 --> 01:44:06.820] The Rule of Law. [01:44:06.820 --> 01:44:13.820] Real Spring, chemtrails, the modified atmosphere, heavy metals and pesticides, [01:44:13.820 --> 01:44:17.820] carcinogens and chemical fibers all falling from the sky. [01:44:17.820 --> 01:44:20.820] You have a choice to keep your body clean. [01:44:20.820 --> 01:44:30.820] Detoxify with micro plant powder from hempusa.org or call 908-691-2608. [01:44:30.820 --> 01:44:35.820] It's odorless and tasteless and used in any liquid or food. 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[01:45:35.820 --> 01:45:39.820] And you call each single city councilman and you tell them that. [01:45:39.820 --> 01:45:45.820] When we've had issues in the municipal court where they've set up bad procedures, bad problems, [01:45:45.820 --> 01:45:49.820] we actually got them to change it because every time somebody calls, [01:45:49.820 --> 01:45:52.820] they can sit and tell them that they're not going to vote for them. [01:45:52.820 --> 01:45:58.820] They can sit at that, akin to 100 people calling because one person is mad at us. [01:45:58.820 --> 01:45:59.820] You've got to speak up. [01:45:59.820 --> 01:46:01.820] You've got to be politically active. [01:46:01.820 --> 01:46:08.820] If you can call and talk show and fuss, which is a good first step because the community is great, [01:46:08.820 --> 01:46:09.820] call your councilman. [01:46:09.820 --> 01:46:12.820] Let them know you're not going to vote for them because you don't like what they're doing. [01:46:12.820 --> 01:46:15.820] And eventually they'll start listening if enough people call. [01:46:15.820 --> 01:46:19.820] Yeah, and maybe calling your state representatives, too. [01:46:19.820 --> 01:46:20.820] Absolutely. [01:46:20.820 --> 01:46:25.820] Call every politician you voted for and tell them that you're not going to vote for them [01:46:25.820 --> 01:46:28.820] and you're going to tell 10 other people not to vote for them. [01:46:28.820 --> 01:46:32.820] And you know what I found is very effective with this sort of activism, Paul, is sending faxes [01:46:32.820 --> 01:46:39.820] because when you call, what happens is you end up talking to an aide or you end up talking to a voicemail or something. [01:46:39.820 --> 01:46:40.820] You'll never talk to the rep. [01:46:40.820 --> 01:46:42.820] You'll never talk to the city council member. [01:46:42.820 --> 01:46:45.820] And then the lackey on the phone either will or won't take the message. [01:46:45.820 --> 01:46:47.820] And it just ends up being like a sticky note somewhere. [01:46:47.820 --> 01:46:50.820] And if you send an email, it may get thrown in the junk box. [01:46:50.820 --> 01:46:53.820] But if you send a fax, it's a piece of paper coming in. [01:46:53.820 --> 01:46:58.820] Generally these people use old school technology of paper fax machines. [01:46:58.820 --> 01:47:02.820] I mean, I know there's email faxes now where you send a fax and it ends up being an email. [01:47:02.820 --> 01:47:06.820] But you send faxes and then their office gets flooded with paper. [01:47:06.820 --> 01:47:09.820] And now they're having to pay for the ink and the paper and everything going through the fax machine. [01:47:09.820 --> 01:47:14.820] And so now they've got like physical objects that are like stacking up around their office over this thing. [01:47:14.820 --> 01:47:18.820] And so even if they're not reading at all, it's like what are all these pieces of paper around here? [01:47:18.820 --> 01:47:20.820] Oh, well, it's people mad about the red light cameras. [01:47:20.820 --> 01:47:22.820] So I think faxes are very effective. [01:47:22.820 --> 01:47:23.820] Absolutely. [01:47:23.820 --> 01:47:24.820] I agree completely. [01:47:24.820 --> 01:47:25.820] Okay. [01:47:25.820 --> 01:47:26.820] We've got callers on the line. [01:47:26.820 --> 01:47:27.820] We've got Gary and Chase. [01:47:27.820 --> 01:47:29.820] We're going to go to Gary first. [01:47:29.820 --> 01:47:31.820] Gary, what's your question for Paul? [01:47:31.820 --> 01:47:40.820] Well, it's more of a comment, Debra, than a question. First of all, we're speaking about an inanimate object. [01:47:40.820 --> 01:47:47.820] It says that I committed a criminal and I'm predicated on a picture. [01:47:47.820 --> 01:47:49.820] And I can't take a picture. [01:47:49.820 --> 01:47:55.820] I can't take anything they present and ask it under my sixth amendment right, [01:47:55.820 --> 01:48:02.820] as well as State of Texas to testify that I did this, did that. [01:48:02.820 --> 01:48:09.820] So therefore, it can be struck down as even unconstitutional because of the Confrontation Clause. [01:48:09.820 --> 01:48:13.820] Paul, isn't that how you and Mike won the case back in 2006? [01:48:13.820 --> 01:48:16.820] Well, not quite like that. [01:48:16.820 --> 01:48:24.820] This Confrontation Clause only applies to criminal cases and the sixth amendment right to cross-stabbing your accuser. [01:48:24.820 --> 01:48:28.820] And this is a civil. [01:48:28.820 --> 01:48:34.820] One of the reasons we won is because they didn't properly authenticate their evidence. [01:48:34.820 --> 01:48:37.820] So they fixed it. [01:48:37.820 --> 01:48:44.820] And that goes back to why we don't find that they can fix because we're going for the jugular. [01:48:44.820 --> 01:48:48.820] We're not trying to cut off a digit that will go back. [01:48:48.820 --> 01:48:49.820] Now, Paul, I have a question for you. [01:48:49.820 --> 01:48:55.820] I thought the transportation code falls under the criminal side of statute in Texas. [01:48:55.820 --> 01:49:00.820] So what's up with the red light cameras being on the civil side? [01:49:00.820 --> 01:49:07.820] Well, I believe it says in there that it's civil. [01:49:07.820 --> 01:49:09.820] It's not a criminal violation. [01:49:09.820 --> 01:49:10.820] That's true. [01:49:10.820 --> 01:49:11.820] It does say that. [01:49:11.820 --> 01:49:14.820] And so they don't have to give you a trial. [01:49:14.820 --> 01:49:17.820] They do it all administratively and just take your money. [01:49:17.820 --> 01:49:21.820] That alone makes it unconstitutional. [01:49:21.820 --> 01:49:30.820] Well, if they pass it and say it, if they pass it and say it, when the legislature passed the law to take half the money, [01:49:30.820 --> 01:49:36.820] all those arguments, I think all those arguments are going out the window. [01:49:36.820 --> 01:49:38.820] Well, it would have to be challenged in court. [01:49:38.820 --> 01:49:43.820] I mean, that's the role of the judicial branch is to interpret the law of the legislature [01:49:43.820 --> 01:49:46.820] and decide whether the law is constitutional or not. [01:49:46.820 --> 01:49:49.820] And you see, the judge we had was quite clever. [01:49:49.820 --> 01:49:54.820] She threw out our ticket, and when she threw out our ticket, we won. [01:49:54.820 --> 01:49:59.820] But then we couldn't appeal because we won our issue. [01:49:59.820 --> 01:50:01.820] If we won, then an appeal would be moved. [01:50:01.820 --> 01:50:03.820] We would have had to start all over. [01:50:03.820 --> 01:50:07.820] Right, right. [01:50:07.820 --> 01:50:11.820] She was clever. [01:50:11.820 --> 01:50:22.820] But again, the Confrontation Clause applies to civil or criminal because it's the act of the legislature. [01:50:22.820 --> 01:50:29.820] The unintentional, the unambiguous intent of the legislature when they pass the public law says, [01:50:29.820 --> 01:50:32.820] sir, you have a right of confrontation. [01:50:32.820 --> 01:50:34.820] You have a right of cross-examination. [01:50:34.820 --> 01:50:39.820] That means civil or criminal because not only that, it's constitutional. [01:50:39.820 --> 01:50:50.820] And then, again, I agree totally with Eddie in that no man, a walking human being in our society [01:50:50.820 --> 01:50:54.820] can make law contrary to a right. [01:50:54.820 --> 01:51:00.820] So Eddie's proposition, he knows I'm totally in accordance with it. [01:51:00.820 --> 01:51:03.820] We've got rights versus privileges. [01:51:03.820 --> 01:51:10.820] There's no act of the legislature can tell a man that he has a privilege to breathe on Monday [01:51:10.820 --> 01:51:13.820] and women on Tuesday and blah, blah, blah. [01:51:13.820 --> 01:51:15.820] It will never happen. [01:51:15.820 --> 01:51:16.820] Now, here's the issue. [01:51:16.820 --> 01:51:23.820] As a matter of law, sir, either we're going to have a constitution which the legislature, [01:51:23.820 --> 01:51:29.820] all three branches of government, are bound by the change of that constitution. [01:51:29.820 --> 01:51:35.820] And just a call due process, due process is a broad word, really means just fairness [01:51:35.820 --> 01:51:38.820] or even those who have to be heard. [01:51:38.820 --> 01:51:47.820] But all of these things where you get a municipality that the state operates by, [01:51:47.820 --> 01:51:56.820] the consent of even the state legislature to pass an ordinance, that's what it is. [01:51:56.820 --> 01:52:02.820] If it's a county law, then it's an ordinance and therefore it's a regulation who can regulate [01:52:02.820 --> 01:52:05.820] and we get right back the right to travel. [01:52:05.820 --> 01:52:15.820] So those issues right there, sir, it really gets to a constitutional issue and it's civil or criminal. [01:52:15.820 --> 01:52:23.820] You have a right of confrontation and it is written in stone even by an act of the legislature. [01:52:23.820 --> 01:52:25.820] All right, absolutely. [01:52:25.820 --> 01:52:28.820] Okay, Gary, listen, we've got two more calls on the line. [01:52:28.820 --> 01:52:30.820] I want to take these other calls before the end of the show. [01:52:30.820 --> 01:52:31.820] Okay, ma'am. [01:52:31.820 --> 01:52:32.820] Thank you very much. [01:52:32.820 --> 01:52:34.820] Okay, thanks, Gary. [01:52:34.820 --> 01:52:37.820] Okay, we're going now to Chase in Texas. [01:52:37.820 --> 01:52:39.820] Chase, what is your question for Paul? [01:52:39.820 --> 01:52:40.820] Hey, thank you. [01:52:40.820 --> 01:52:45.820] Well, I've always thought that it's extremely unfair, the red light cameras, [01:52:45.820 --> 01:52:50.820] and I've always wondered if they can continue to use them for red lights, [01:52:50.820 --> 01:52:58.820] if they can use them to try to avoid the due process by photographing you doing something else [01:52:58.820 --> 01:53:00.820] and just send you a bill for it. [01:53:00.820 --> 01:53:03.820] That's exactly what they're trying to do with these. [01:53:03.820 --> 01:53:08.820] They're setting the stage with these types of tickets to see how long the public will put up with it, [01:53:08.820 --> 01:53:14.820] and the more acceptance that they ingrain, the more you're going to see offenses handled in this manner. [01:53:14.820 --> 01:53:16.820] Yeah, notice there's cameras all over downtown Austin. [01:53:16.820 --> 01:53:18.820] Paul, what are your comments? [01:53:18.820 --> 01:53:23.820] Well, they're not supposed to use the camera for anything other than the intended purpose. [01:53:23.820 --> 01:53:28.820] If they do, I think it's a Class A or a Class B misdemeanor. [01:53:28.820 --> 01:53:35.820] We also got speed cameras banned in Texas by legislation whenever the red light cameras went through. [01:53:35.820 --> 01:53:37.820] However, I agree with you. [01:53:37.820 --> 01:53:43.820] The way the cameras are supposed to work, they're supposed to work like they work in California [01:53:43.820 --> 01:53:49.820] where the fine is $375, it's a moving violation, and your insurance goes up. [01:53:49.820 --> 01:53:54.820] That's why all of these insurance institutes for highway safety and all of that, [01:53:54.820 --> 01:53:59.820] that's why they all back the cameras, because in other states, the criminal violations, [01:53:59.820 --> 01:54:05.820] and you don't have a right to a jury trial, and you don't have your protections that you have in Texas, [01:54:05.820 --> 01:54:08.820] and the whole scheme there is to raise rates on these things. [01:54:08.820 --> 01:54:11.820] Well, think about if they did it with jaywalking as well. [01:54:11.820 --> 01:54:13.820] I mean, that would be absolutely ridiculous, [01:54:13.820 --> 01:54:18.820] because they'd be sending out hundreds of tickets a day just on that. [01:54:18.820 --> 01:54:19.820] I agree with you. [01:54:19.820 --> 01:54:21.820] Well, certainly it would. [01:54:21.820 --> 01:54:26.820] I mean, that's a violation of your right to confront your accuser in court, for one thing, [01:54:26.820 --> 01:54:32.820] and the whole red light camera thing is just ridiculous on its face because it turns it into a crime by ownership, [01:54:32.820 --> 01:54:36.820] because it goes to the registration of whoever registered the car. [01:54:36.820 --> 01:54:44.820] That doesn't necessarily mean it's a person that was traveling in the car or driving the car, whichever the case may be. [01:54:44.820 --> 01:54:46.820] And consider this for a moment. [01:54:46.820 --> 01:54:53.820] Instead of making the punishment tougher, instead of it being a criminal fine that goes on your record, [01:54:53.820 --> 01:54:56.820] affects your insurance, you pay a $1 to $200 fine. [01:54:56.820 --> 01:55:00.820] They move it into a parking ticket, and they don't put it on your record. [01:55:00.820 --> 01:55:05.820] So they have made the punishment less, not more. [01:55:05.820 --> 01:55:08.820] It's in a parking ticket category, these red light cameras? [01:55:08.820 --> 01:55:12.820] A red light camera is exactly like a parking ticket. [01:55:12.820 --> 01:55:13.820] It's crazy. [01:55:13.820 --> 01:55:19.820] Well, I've always thought this to be a serious injustice by any governmental area that is implementing it, [01:55:19.820 --> 01:55:21.820] and I haven't heard of anybody fighting it now. [01:55:21.820 --> 01:55:25.820] When I heard it on the radio, I was delighted to hear what you guys were up to. [01:55:25.820 --> 01:55:28.820] And they've already won a case in 06? [01:55:28.820 --> 01:55:29.820] Fantastic. [01:55:29.820 --> 01:55:34.820] We'll get rid of them before too long if we just keep this up and keep exposing even what the government is doing, [01:55:34.820 --> 01:55:36.820] which is illegal, trying to make it legal. [01:55:36.820 --> 01:55:37.820] Absolutely. [01:55:37.820 --> 01:55:42.820] And Jim and the Kubosh has got the red light cameras done away with in college stations, [01:55:42.820 --> 01:55:44.820] so that means we can do it here. [01:55:44.820 --> 01:55:45.820] Absolutely. [01:55:45.820 --> 01:55:48.820] If they voted them out in college stations, they'll vote them out anywhere. [01:55:48.820 --> 01:55:49.820] Yeah. [01:55:49.820 --> 01:55:50.820] It's time to go to the... [01:55:50.820 --> 01:55:54.820] That's something that the liberal side of society is absolutely opposed to, [01:55:54.820 --> 01:55:56.820] which is anything that the government's doing that's illegal. [01:55:56.820 --> 01:56:00.820] So Austin is actually not a bad place to get rid of it first. [01:56:00.820 --> 01:56:01.820] All right. [01:56:01.820 --> 01:56:02.820] All right. [01:56:02.820 --> 01:56:03.820] Thanks, Chase. [01:56:03.820 --> 01:56:04.820] Thanks a lot. [01:56:04.820 --> 01:56:09.820] I think we should start getting rid of a few of these guys that are enacting these things first. [01:56:09.820 --> 01:56:10.820] Right. [01:56:10.820 --> 01:56:11.820] Exactly. [01:56:11.820 --> 01:56:12.820] Speaking of enacting. [01:56:12.820 --> 01:56:13.820] Okay. [01:56:13.820 --> 01:56:14.820] We are going now to Frank in New York. [01:56:14.820 --> 01:56:17.820] Frank, what is your question for Paul? [01:56:17.820 --> 01:56:18.820] Hi. [01:56:18.820 --> 01:56:28.820] I'm having problems with PayPal trying to get the course, the seminar, and I need an alternate way to pay. [01:56:28.820 --> 01:56:29.820] Okay. [01:56:29.820 --> 01:56:34.820] So talk about this offline. [01:56:34.820 --> 01:56:37.820] Send me an email because we only have two more minutes left. [01:56:37.820 --> 01:56:41.820] Do you have questions about the red light cameras or traffic issues? [01:56:41.820 --> 01:56:42.820] No. [01:56:42.820 --> 01:56:45.820] We don't have red light cameras up here because we just break them if they put them up here. [01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:46.820] Okay. [01:56:46.820 --> 01:56:48.820] We shoot them out with a BB gun or something. [01:56:48.820 --> 01:56:51.820] Okay. [01:56:51.820 --> 01:56:53.820] Works for me. [01:56:53.820 --> 01:56:54.820] All right. [01:56:54.820 --> 01:56:55.820] Okay. [01:56:54.820 --> 01:56:56.820] Send me an email, Frank. [01:56:56.820 --> 01:56:57.820] Okay. [01:56:56.820 --> 01:56:57.820] Thanks. [01:56:56.820 --> 01:56:57.820] Okay. [01:56:57.820 --> 01:56:58.820] All right. [01:56:58.820 --> 01:57:03.820] It's on the home page, and last I heard, everything was fine. [01:57:03.820 --> 01:57:05.820] Somebody just bought a seminar a few days ago. [01:57:05.820 --> 01:57:09.820] So, Frank, maybe you're just not seeing the right button or something. [01:57:09.820 --> 01:57:11.820] So we have about a minute and a half left. [01:57:11.820 --> 01:57:14.820] Paul, do you have any closing comments for us? [01:57:14.820 --> 01:57:20.820] I would just encourage people to keep the fight because, you know, sometimes we feel like we're alone, [01:57:20.820 --> 01:57:23.820] but this makes me realize there's a lot of people with us. [01:57:23.820 --> 01:57:28.820] So please join us on Facebook at Citizens Against Red Light Cameras [01:57:28.820 --> 01:57:32.820] and visit our Web site, NoCamerasHouston.com, [01:57:32.820 --> 01:57:34.820] because I tell you, every time you join us on Facebook, [01:57:34.820 --> 01:57:40.820] it makes the traffic camera people upset, makes them nervous. [01:57:40.820 --> 01:57:42.820] Yeah, I'll bet it does. [01:57:42.820 --> 01:57:44.820] Because we have 2,000 members. [01:57:44.820 --> 01:57:49.820] They have 500. [01:57:49.820 --> 01:57:51.820] They have 2,000 members? [01:57:51.820 --> 01:57:54.820] Y'all have 2,000 members, and they have 500. [01:57:54.820 --> 01:57:55.820] That's correct. [01:57:55.820 --> 01:57:57.820] Yeah, yeah, I'll bet they do. [01:57:57.820 --> 01:58:03.820] All right, folks, go to NoCamerasHouston.com, [01:58:03.820 --> 01:58:05.820] where you can get more information, [01:58:05.820 --> 01:58:10.820] and you can contact the Kuboshes, Paul and Mike Kubosh, [01:58:10.820 --> 01:58:17.820] and find out more about how you can do away with the red light cameras in your area, [01:58:17.820 --> 01:58:19.820] in your hometown, in your home state. [01:58:19.820 --> 01:58:23.820] Paul, thank you so much, and we thank your brother Mike. [01:58:23.820 --> 01:58:25.820] Thank you so much for having me. [01:58:25.820 --> 01:58:26.820] You have a good evening. [01:58:26.820 --> 01:58:29.820] You have a good evening, too, and we thank Jim Ash also. [01:58:29.820 --> 01:58:30.820] This is The Rule of Law. [01:58:30.820 --> 01:58:32.820] We will be back tomorrow night. [01:58:32.820 --> 01:58:34.820] I'm Deborah Stevens here with Eddie Craig. [01:58:34.820 --> 01:58:36.820] We'll be back tomorrow night with Randy Kelton as well. [01:58:36.820 --> 01:58:38.820] Y'all have a good night. [01:58:38.820 --> 01:58:50.820] We'll be back tomorrow night with Randy Kelton as well. [01:58:50.820 --> 01:59:18.820] Thank you so much for having me. [01:59:18.820 --> 01:59:20.820] We'll be back tomorrow night with Randy Kelton as well. [01:59:48.820 --> 01:59:57.820] It's a dream, let's move, you better dream, go, it's a dream, go, go.