[00:00.000 --> 00:09.820] A group of Greek activists is suing senior Israeli officials for their role in the May [00:09.820 --> 00:15.940] 31st attack on a Gaza-bound aid convoy that resulted in the death of nine civilians. The [00:15.940 --> 00:21.100] Greeks are accusing high-ranking Israeli officials, including Defense Minister Ehud Barak and [00:21.100 --> 00:27.420] Chief of Staff Ashkenazi, of violating international law by attacking the flotilla in international [00:27.420 --> 00:34.400] waters. William Cruz, a charter boat captain recently hired by BP as a vessel of opportunity, [00:34.400 --> 00:40.440] died Wednesday of a gunshot to the head. Coroner Stan Vinson said he had been quite despondent [00:40.440 --> 00:45.040] about the oil crisis, adding, �There�s no charter business anymore. You go out on [00:45.040 --> 00:51.040] some of the beaches now, you can�t even get in the water.� US troops Tuesday killed [00:51.040 --> 00:56.440] three Iraqi civilians and wounded three more in the city of Mosul after their vehicle ran [00:56.440 --> 01:02.220] over a family. Since the 2003 US-led invasion, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have [01:02.220 --> 01:08.840] lost their lives and millions more have been displaced. General David Richards, possibly [01:08.840 --> 01:13.580] the next head of the British Army, says British troops could stay in Afghanistan for five [01:13.580 --> 01:20.160] more years. Despite a surge that has brought the US-dominated force to 150,000, the Taliban [01:20.160 --> 01:26.880] insurgency is at its strongest since it was overthrown in 2001. Under Barack Obama�s [01:26.880 --> 01:32.400] strategy, US forces would gradually begin to withdraw in July 2011 as Afghan forces [01:32.400 --> 01:37.360] take over. British forces have been engaged in some of the fiercest fighting in the southern [01:37.360 --> 01:42.560] province of Helmand. British military deaths have passed 300, eroding public support for [01:42.560 --> 01:48.240] the mission. Prime Minister David Cameron has ruled out sending more troops to Afghanistan, [01:48.240 --> 01:53.040] saying British forces should not stay a day longer than necessary. The Afghanistan war [01:53.040 --> 01:58.040] is costing Britain billions of pounds at a time when it is slashing government spending [01:58.040 --> 02:04.080] to reduce a gaping budget deficit. The Obama administration announced Wednesday it will [02:04.080 --> 02:08.760] station an aerial drone in Texas as part of its stepped-up surveillance of the Mexican [02:08.760 --> 02:14.800] border. On Tuesday, Barack Obama asked Congress for $500 million in emergency border security [02:14.800 --> 02:20.960] funds, including two more drones and 1,000 more border patrol officers. Texas Governor [02:20.960 --> 02:26.800] Rick Perry and Senator John Cornyn had pressed for months for a pilotless drone, and when [02:26.800 --> 02:33.040] it was slow in coming, Cornyn blocked Senate confirmation of Michael Huerta as deputy director [02:33.040 --> 02:38.120] of the Federal Aviation Authority. On Wednesday, after learning the drone had been approved, [02:38.120 --> 02:42.880] Cornyn said he would allow a vote on Huerta. Unmanned aircraft are used routinely in Iraq [02:42.880 --> 02:48.800] and Afghanistan, and also patrol much of the Arizona border using sensors to pinpoint human [02:48.800 --> 03:18.160] and drug traffickers. The drone being stationed in Texas can fly for 20 hours. [03:18.160 --> 03:40.240] What she wants. What? What? [03:40.240 --> 03:47.240] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:47.240 --> 03:53.240] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? 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[04:36.240 --> 05:05.300] All right, bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you here on [05:05.300 --> 05:11.600] the Rule of Law. This is Deborah Stevens, I'm here with Randy Kelton and Eddie Craig [05:11.600 --> 05:18.040] and tonight and tomorrow night we have a We Are Change extravaganza. Tonight we are speaking [05:18.040 --> 05:25.000] with Matt Medina and Joseph from We Are Change San Antonio. Tomorrow night we will be speaking [05:25.000 --> 05:31.680] with Bruno Brewiler from We Are Change LA. We're going to be discussing their cases with [05:31.680 --> 05:38.200] them. So we want to welcome Matt and Joseph to the show. Welcome to the show, Matt, Joseph. [05:38.200 --> 05:39.200] Thank you. [05:39.200 --> 05:44.560] All right. Okay, so guys you guys have a court date coming up and apparently this has to [05:44.560 --> 05:51.560] do with them accusing you of having an unauthorized sign or something of the sort. Can you all [05:51.560 --> 05:58.080] please start from the beginning and tell us the story and what is the status at this point? [05:58.080 --> 06:08.360] Okay, our tickets that we received on April 11th for citing a prohibition of portable [06:08.360 --> 06:16.840] sign and the city code is referencing commercial signs in the downtown district. So we reported [06:16.840 --> 06:23.160] a court with our tickets a few weeks ago and we pleaded not guilty and we were arranged [06:23.160 --> 06:31.480] for July 7th to have a jury trial and as of this time we don't have any lawyers or anything [06:31.480 --> 06:37.440] but that's pretty much the status. We're going to have a jury trial concerning the prohibition [06:37.440 --> 06:38.440] of portable signs. [06:38.440 --> 06:44.200] We are trying to see if we can get a video camera in there to videotape the whole thing [06:44.200 --> 06:47.000] but we haven't found a way to really do that. [06:47.000 --> 06:52.720] Yeah and they may not let you guys bring a camera into the courtroom. Now I know we talked [06:52.720 --> 06:58.360] about this on the air a couple of months ago right after this happened and Eddie you were [06:58.360 --> 07:05.440] looking up the code at the time and it turns out that this law, this ordinance does not [07:05.440 --> 07:10.280] apply to them because this has nothing to do with commercial and it also has to do with [07:10.280 --> 07:14.760] something about that the sign has to be affixed to something. Is that correct Eddie? [07:14.760 --> 07:20.560] Yes, however we've had a new issue that's come up over that that makes it an even simpler [07:20.560 --> 07:30.280] argument fellas and it deals with Article 3 Section 29 Texas Constitution which specifically [07:30.280 --> 07:35.320] states that all laws in Texas must have an enacting clause certifying that they were [07:35.320 --> 07:44.280] enacted by the state legislature. A city ordinance does not meet that criteria. It is not law [07:44.280 --> 07:45.520] upon the people. [07:45.520 --> 07:50.480] What was that section again? [07:50.480 --> 07:58.360] Article 3 Section 29 Texas Constitution. It specifically states that all laws shall have [07:58.360 --> 08:04.480] the following enacting clause be it enacted by the legislature of the state of Texas. [08:04.480 --> 08:09.160] Ordinances don't do that and the legislature does not enact them. The city commissioners [08:09.160 --> 08:10.160] do. [08:10.160 --> 08:18.800] Okay. Is there any way to, we would really like to get a camera in the courtroom. Is [08:18.800 --> 08:22.720] there any way to do that or do you think we could submit that, I mean we didn't know [08:22.720 --> 08:23.720] what a story would look for that. [08:23.720 --> 08:29.840] Well you could petition the court for it but it's really going to be up to the discretion [08:29.840 --> 08:31.600] of the judge. [08:31.600 --> 08:35.640] We asked the judge because we talked to the judge before and we asked him, we said who [08:35.640 --> 08:41.200] do we file a motion with? Who do we petition? He said if we could bring him evidence that [08:41.200 --> 08:46.720] we have the right to use a video camera, go look at that and submit it to the state. And [08:46.720 --> 08:51.800] then he said the city has an ordinance that you can't have a camera in the court room. [08:51.800 --> 08:54.160] Again ordinances do not apply to the people. [08:54.160 --> 08:59.160] Okay. But what can we submit to him to, you know what I mean to, you know. [08:59.160 --> 09:05.160] Is it 2.04 or 3 Code of Criminal Procedure, Randy? [09:05.160 --> 09:14.080] 2.03 goes to the prosecuting attorney. That's the one that requires the prosecuting attorney [09:14.080 --> 09:23.480] to file a complaint against a public official. 2.04 if I remember right that requires a prosecutor [09:23.480 --> 09:29.360] to file a complaint. 2.03 addresses a complaint against a public official. 2.04 addresses [09:29.360 --> 09:31.480] complaints against everybody else. [09:31.480 --> 09:37.440] The last section of 2.03, neglect of duty, subsection B, it is the duty of the trial [09:37.440 --> 09:40.560] court, the attorney representing the accused, the attorney representing the state and all [09:40.560 --> 09:45.440] peace officers so conduct themselves to ensure a fair trial for both the state and the defendant. [09:45.440 --> 09:50.520] Not impair the presumption of innocence and at the same time afford the public the benefits [09:50.520 --> 09:51.840] of a free press. [09:51.840 --> 09:52.840] Oh yeah. [09:52.840 --> 10:00.600] You guys are free press. If you take care of passing there, you can take a recorder according [10:00.600 --> 10:04.960] to that section of statute, the last sentence of 2.03 Code of Criminal Procedure. [10:04.960 --> 10:10.840] So is that something that we should just cite to the judge or is there a form for this? [10:10.840 --> 10:15.640] Oh, you could just write a motion referencing that section of the statute and tell them [10:15.640 --> 10:22.280] that that supersedes any city ordinance barring such a thing in the courtroom because this [10:22.280 --> 10:23.280] is state law. [10:23.280 --> 10:29.840] Now the other thing is he said we had until the 23rd to find this and he said if it was [10:29.840 --> 10:35.400] a day late he would take it but he said, you know, if I submit it tomorrow will it be too [10:35.400 --> 10:36.400] late? [10:36.400 --> 10:41.520] Well the thing about it is he's going to have a hard time overruling state law just because [10:41.520 --> 10:47.840] you didn't file a motion by a certain date when the law says that he will guarantee that [10:47.840 --> 10:48.840] this is done. [10:48.840 --> 10:53.960] And that's the end of 2.03 you said, right? Out of criminal, what was it again? [10:53.960 --> 10:54.960] Code of Criminal Procedure. [10:54.960 --> 10:55.960] Code of Criminal Procedure. [10:55.960 --> 10:59.960] Code of Criminal Procedure. [10:59.960 --> 11:08.040] Who do we file the motion with? [11:08.040 --> 11:09.040] Clerk of the court. [11:09.040 --> 11:14.560] Unless you take it in court with you then you'd file it with the judge at that time. [11:14.560 --> 11:17.160] Yeah, it would be too late at that time. [11:17.160 --> 11:22.040] You need to file it I think at least two days before court. [11:22.040 --> 11:23.040] Two days before? [11:23.040 --> 11:24.040] In the municipal. [11:24.040 --> 11:25.040] Okay. [11:25.040 --> 11:34.760] Now concerning the argument that this ordinance only applies to commercial signs and signs [11:34.760 --> 11:40.960] that are semi-permanently affixed to something and all these sorts of things, would that [11:40.960 --> 11:47.600] defense, would that argument be made in a motion prior to the court date or would that [11:47.600 --> 11:49.160] That's going to the merits, Debra. [11:49.160 --> 11:53.360] You do not want to argue the merits if the procedure's been defeated and the procedure's [11:53.360 --> 11:56.320] defeated by Article 3 Section 29 State Constitution. [11:56.320 --> 12:01.400] But if they don't, if they don't accept that procedural argument then, and you have to [12:01.400 --> 12:07.080] go to the merits, would you do that at the time of the trial? [12:07.080 --> 12:10.200] You should have the motion prepared for it just in case, yes. [12:10.200 --> 12:14.920] So we should walk in with the motion? [12:14.920 --> 12:15.920] Concerning the merits. [12:15.920 --> 12:20.920] You need to have the motion filed well ahead of time so that you have time, the prosecutor [12:20.920 --> 12:24.280] and attorney needs time to have notice of the motion. [12:24.280 --> 12:28.960] Well, Eddie just said that you only, you need to have it prepared for the date but that [12:28.960 --> 12:31.760] you don't want to have to go to the merits ahead of time. [12:31.760 --> 12:32.760] So which one is it? [12:32.760 --> 12:37.880] If you file a motion on the merits, Randy, that's going to screw it up, is it not? [12:37.880 --> 12:42.440] Because he's challenging subject matter jurisdiction through Article 3 Section 29. [12:42.440 --> 12:49.440] Doesn't matter if you, there's not a prohibition against protecting yourself after you have [12:49.440 --> 12:55.400] filed a motion for challenging subject matter jurisdiction. [12:55.400 --> 13:01.320] Any other motion won't affect the validity of the motion for subject matter jurisdiction. [13:01.320 --> 13:05.200] So you need to file, to prepare the rest of your case. [13:05.200 --> 13:10.200] You can't just go in and file a motion for subject matter jurisdiction and do nothing [13:10.200 --> 13:11.200] else. [13:11.200 --> 13:16.040] You have to have all the others in there and they don't affect, you can't give them jurisdiction [13:16.040 --> 13:17.040] if they don't have it. [13:17.040 --> 13:22.080] Well, why do you have to let, why do you have to give the prosecutor a heads up on what [13:22.080 --> 13:23.240] your defense is? [13:23.240 --> 13:24.240] I don't understand that part. [13:24.240 --> 13:25.240] This is a criminal case. [13:25.240 --> 13:26.240] It's not civil. [13:26.240 --> 13:29.720] Yeah, it's a criminal, yeah, it's a criminal case but if you're going to file a motion [13:29.720 --> 13:33.400] with the court, that's different than evidence. [13:33.400 --> 13:38.360] A motion in the court is asking the court to do something and the prosecutor has to [13:38.360 --> 13:44.960] have time to look at it and decide if he wants to object to it and if so, prepare a defense. [13:44.960 --> 13:49.240] So in this case, regarding the merits, it would be a motion to dismiss based on the [13:49.240 --> 13:53.400] fact that this ordinance does not apply to them because they were not engaged in commerce [13:53.400 --> 13:57.600] and it was not in a fixed line and all that sort of thing. [13:57.600 --> 13:58.600] That's not merits. [13:58.600 --> 13:59.600] That's subject matter jurisdiction. [13:59.600 --> 14:00.600] Well, that's what we're talking about. [14:00.600 --> 14:08.360] Can we file a motion to dismiss and do something, go somewhere with that? [14:08.360 --> 14:10.720] And this is the last part. [14:10.720 --> 14:17.080] Can we file a motion to dismiss and then submit that and have them build a case out just because [14:17.080 --> 14:22.040] of the motion of dismiss and say what the merits are, does it match, you know, does [14:22.040 --> 14:23.040] it match what we were doing? [14:23.040 --> 14:24.040] Like that? [14:24.040 --> 14:25.040] Of course. [14:25.040 --> 14:30.480] Both of those issues go to subject matter jurisdiction. [14:30.480 --> 14:34.760] The second is closer to the merits but it still goes to subject matter jurisdiction. [14:34.760 --> 14:36.920] The law in this case does not apply. [14:36.920 --> 14:41.200] Well, what if they don't recognize that though and we could tell them that, that the [14:41.200 --> 14:42.200] subject matter jurisdiction does? [14:42.200 --> 14:47.840] Then you also need to take criminal complaints in already filled out, just not signed and [14:47.840 --> 14:52.680] dated but you want to have criminal complaints in your hand against that judge for violation [14:52.680 --> 14:54.120] of state law. [14:54.120 --> 14:59.360] And against the officers for writing the citation. [14:59.360 --> 15:00.360] Okay. [15:00.360 --> 15:06.680] Okay, so Randy, you're saying that the second defense, the one that we're talking about, [15:06.680 --> 15:12.000] the fact that the ordinance does not apply to their activities because it wasn't commercial, [15:12.000 --> 15:18.080] etc., that that is not necessarily going to the merits of the case, that that is also [15:18.080 --> 15:24.040] a challenge to the subject matter jurisdiction and so they would have a second motion to [15:24.040 --> 15:30.280] dismiss based on that fact or would that be all part of the same motion to dismiss as [15:30.280 --> 15:33.000] a second reason or what? [15:33.000 --> 15:36.160] Yeah, second reason, same motion. [15:36.160 --> 15:39.440] So one motion to dismiss and there would be two reasons. [15:39.440 --> 15:45.440] The first one, A, was talking about the enacting clause and then the second reason is that [15:45.440 --> 15:51.280] the ordinance does not apply to their activities because it was not engaged in commerce. [15:51.280 --> 15:55.640] One motion to dismiss with two reasons on the motion to dismiss? [15:55.640 --> 16:02.200] Yes, you do the first argument and then you say in the alternative, you argue the second [16:02.200 --> 16:03.200] issue. [16:03.200 --> 16:04.200] Okay. [16:04.200 --> 16:11.720] And you would cite the ordinance number and you would quote from that where it talks about [16:11.720 --> 16:17.640] commerce and where it talks about the sign has to be affixed to something, etc., etc. [16:17.640 --> 16:22.920] And then you would point out in your motion that, look, this had nothing to do with commerce, [16:22.920 --> 16:29.200] we were not advertising and plus the sign was not affixed, so you would point out all [16:29.200 --> 16:30.200] those details. [16:30.200 --> 16:33.800] Okay, once we follow this motion, how long do they have to respond back? [16:33.800 --> 16:35.480] All right, hold on one moment. [16:35.480 --> 16:39.760] We're going to break and then we'll talk about that as soon as we get on the other side. [16:39.760 --> 16:42.600] All right, this is the rule of law. [16:42.600 --> 16:47.280] We're speaking with Matt and Joseph from We Are Change San Antonio. [16:47.280 --> 17:02.640] We will be right back. [17:02.640 --> 17:07.120] Capital Coin and Bullion is your local source for rare coins, precious metals, and coin [17:07.120 --> 17:09.680] supplies in the Austin metro area. [17:09.680 --> 17:11.720] We also ship worldwide. [17:11.720 --> 17:15.760] We are a family-owned and operated business that offers competitive prices on your coin [17:15.760 --> 17:16.760] and metals purchases. [17:16.760 --> 17:22.440] We buy, sell, trade, and consign rare coins, gold and silver coin collections, precious [17:22.440 --> 17:24.320] metals, and scrap gold. [17:24.320 --> 17:27.920] We will purchase and sell gold and jewelry items as well. 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[19:07.720 --> 19:21.960] All right, tyranny, them that tear you, them that tear me, them that tear up the whole [19:21.960 --> 19:22.960] country. [19:22.960 --> 19:27.880] Well, not if we have anything to say and do about it. [19:27.880 --> 19:30.160] Same with We Are Change. [19:30.160 --> 19:35.320] We're here with We Are Change San Antonio right now, Matt and Abel, and you guys were [19:35.320 --> 19:38.960] asking when does this motion have to be filed? [19:38.960 --> 19:39.960] Right. [19:39.960 --> 19:42.480] When do we have to file it? [19:42.480 --> 19:47.000] Well, not necessarily that, I might file it tomorrow or Monday, but how long do they have [19:47.000 --> 19:48.000] to respond to it? [19:48.000 --> 19:50.680] Do they have to respond to it before the court date? [19:50.680 --> 19:57.200] Yeah, if it goes as normal, you won't get a response to it. [19:57.200 --> 19:58.200] Oh, well then how do we know? [19:58.200 --> 19:59.200] That's the way it normally works. [19:59.200 --> 20:05.200] But how do we know if our case is still there, you know what I mean? [20:05.200 --> 20:07.360] Yeah, well, you're going to show up on the day of court. [20:07.360 --> 20:15.240] Now what you can do is you can use their general rules against them, and what is it Randy, [20:15.240 --> 20:21.200] 20 days is the requirement of time to reply to a motion? [20:21.200 --> 20:26.040] No, in this case, they don't have to reply to this motion. [20:26.040 --> 20:28.440] Yeah, and you need to show up for court. [20:28.440 --> 20:31.840] I mean, if you're concerned about getting a warrant for your arrest, I mean show up [20:31.840 --> 20:32.840] for court. [20:32.840 --> 20:36.720] I always tell people you have to show up for court. [20:36.720 --> 20:37.720] Never just not show up. [20:37.720 --> 20:38.720] What would a judge say? [20:38.720 --> 20:39.720] Oh, it's dismissed? [20:39.720 --> 20:40.720] We got your motion? [20:40.720 --> 20:41.720] I mean, how would we? [20:41.720 --> 20:42.720] You know what I'm saying? [20:42.720 --> 20:43.960] Yeah, that's usually what will happen. [20:43.960 --> 20:49.200] If they're going to dismiss it, you will get a dismissal in the mail most of the time, [20:49.200 --> 20:51.160] if they're going to dismiss it. [20:51.160 --> 20:56.160] Otherwise, if you do have to appear in court, unless they tell you immediately that it's [20:56.160 --> 21:01.100] dismissed, the first thing you want to do is address the fact that your motion has been [21:01.100 --> 21:02.100] filed. [21:02.100 --> 21:04.600] You've not received an answer, and you need one. [21:04.600 --> 21:05.600] Okay. [21:05.600 --> 21:16.000] Then the other thing is, what evidence are we going to submit for evidence, if we do [21:16.000 --> 21:17.000] go to court? [21:17.000 --> 21:23.600] Well, you'll submit a photocopy or a certified copy of that section of the state constitution [21:23.600 --> 21:29.920] and a copy of the city ordinance, specifically to the judge stating where these are the elements [21:29.920 --> 21:36.400] that it says are consistent of the crime, and these elements are not met. [21:36.400 --> 21:42.680] The state constitution says that an ordinance is not law, and therefore, it cannot be binding [21:42.680 --> 21:48.120] upon a private citizen exercising the right of political free speech, and so on and so [21:48.120 --> 21:51.120] forth. [21:51.120 --> 21:54.400] You said that the rules are prestigious for submitting evidence, what is the procedure [21:54.400 --> 21:55.400] for submitting evidence? [21:55.400 --> 21:59.000] Do you do it right there in the court, or do you do it before you go to court? [21:59.000 --> 22:01.440] That would be like an exhibit in your motion. [22:01.440 --> 22:02.440] Okay. [22:02.440 --> 22:06.520] You can do it as judicial notice. [22:06.520 --> 22:11.400] You'll file it with the court as judicial notice of those sections of the ordinance [22:11.400 --> 22:12.960] and those sections of the constitution. [22:12.960 --> 22:15.880] Okay, so it would not be an exhibit then, Eddie? [22:15.880 --> 22:17.640] No, it's not an exhibit. [22:17.640 --> 22:22.520] It is judicial notice filed as an attachment. [22:22.520 --> 22:26.640] Or you can do it in the beginning of the motion. [22:26.640 --> 22:33.960] You can start out with the heading, and then the name of the motion, and then judicial [22:33.960 --> 22:35.680] notice. [22:35.680 --> 22:44.080] You only take judicial notice of those facts that are not in controversy and incontrovertible [22:44.080 --> 22:45.080] law. [22:45.080 --> 22:46.080] Okay. [22:46.080 --> 22:50.400] Now, as far as exhibits go, should we take a picture of the banner, or should we bring [22:50.400 --> 22:52.560] the banner with us to court that we actually had? [22:52.560 --> 22:55.080] I would bring the banner, yes. [22:55.080 --> 23:00.240] That would be one of your exhibits, and also the DVDs and everything, and the fact that [23:00.240 --> 23:01.840] you were giving them away for free. [23:01.840 --> 23:03.200] You were not selling them. [23:03.200 --> 23:04.200] Right, right. [23:04.200 --> 23:07.400] Now, do we submit that into evidence, or do we just bring it and it's there? [23:07.400 --> 23:09.560] I mean, how does that go? [23:09.560 --> 23:12.080] You can bring it as an exhibit, not as evidence. [23:12.080 --> 23:16.120] But I thought you had just said, Eddie, that we're not going to do exhibits. [23:16.120 --> 23:17.680] We're going to do judicial notice. [23:17.680 --> 23:23.920] No, the notice of the constitutional and statutory sections is not going to be evidence. [23:23.920 --> 23:26.120] It's going to be judicial notice. [23:26.120 --> 23:27.120] Okay, okay. [23:27.120 --> 23:32.080] Judicial notice of that section of the constitution and judicial notice of that section of the [23:32.080 --> 23:38.040] city ordinance, and then the exhibits are the banner and the DVDs. [23:38.040 --> 23:39.240] Right. [23:39.240 --> 23:44.040] And the fact that the officer was made aware ahead of time that you were not selling them, [23:44.040 --> 23:50.520] you were exercising your right to political free speech, and so on and so forth. [23:50.520 --> 23:54.360] Now, would these exhibits be mentioned in the motion, or no? [23:54.360 --> 24:00.280] Yes, you always list the exhibits. [24:00.280 --> 24:04.240] You make a reference to it and include it by reference. [24:04.240 --> 24:09.520] You make a statement that this exhibit is included by reference in its entirety. [24:09.520 --> 24:15.280] But they're not going to actually file their banner as an exhibit with the motion, because [24:15.280 --> 24:16.680] it's like this big banner. [24:16.680 --> 24:18.640] No, a photograph of the banner. [24:18.640 --> 24:19.640] Okay. [24:19.640 --> 24:28.400] Maybe a photograph of the event, you know, if you could pull a still frame out of the [24:28.400 --> 24:36.680] video to show that, look, here's the exhibit A, where you can see in exhibit A the photograph, [24:36.680 --> 24:39.240] the banner, and the DVDs. [24:39.240 --> 24:43.560] Actually, exhibit A should be the video they shot and posted on YouTube. [24:43.560 --> 24:44.560] Okay. [24:44.560 --> 24:47.280] Well, how do we submit that as an exhibit of the video? [24:47.280 --> 24:50.040] I mean, you just point to the link or something? [24:50.040 --> 24:51.440] Yeah, how are they going to submit it? [24:51.440 --> 24:55.640] You make a reference to it in the motion. [24:55.640 --> 25:01.160] Like a statement, you make a statement that at the time of the incident, the particular [25:01.160 --> 25:04.960] incident was videotaped by such and such a person. [25:04.960 --> 25:05.960] That's foundation. [25:05.960 --> 25:10.000] But don't they have to include the video as an exhibit with the motion? [25:10.000 --> 25:14.840] You need to put the video on a DVD that you can take to the court. [25:14.840 --> 25:15.840] Okay. [25:15.840 --> 25:19.080] If you can't, you have to establish foundation for evidence. [25:19.080 --> 25:20.080] So you... [25:20.080 --> 25:21.080] Okay. [25:21.080 --> 25:22.080] Now, here's the other question that has just come up. [25:22.080 --> 25:24.160] The judge told us that we brought evidence. [25:24.160 --> 25:28.960] We had to bring our own audio video equipment, so... [25:28.960 --> 25:31.680] Can you hook that video camera up to a TV set? [25:31.680 --> 25:34.280] Well, it's probably not a video camera anymore. [25:34.280 --> 25:36.680] I mean, I have a projector and a laptop. [25:36.680 --> 25:39.680] I guess I should take it. [25:39.680 --> 25:40.680] I guess I should... [25:40.680 --> 25:41.680] Yeah. [25:41.680 --> 25:43.080] If you've got a projector and laptop, that will suffice. [25:43.080 --> 25:44.080] Okay. [25:44.080 --> 25:45.080] Yeah. [25:45.080 --> 25:46.080] That's good. [25:46.080 --> 25:47.080] Now, I was wondering about something. [25:47.080 --> 25:51.840] The only thing I thought I could use for evidence, like in my case, was the fact that I asked [25:51.840 --> 25:52.840] the cop. [25:52.840 --> 25:57.600] I said, so just for the record, you're giving me a ticket because I tried to give you a [25:57.600 --> 25:58.600] DVD, right? [25:58.600 --> 25:59.600] And he said yes. [25:59.600 --> 26:00.600] So to me, I was thinking that right there. [26:00.600 --> 26:01.600] What did he charge you with? [26:01.600 --> 26:02.600] Same thing. [26:02.600 --> 26:03.600] That same thing. [26:03.600 --> 26:04.600] Okay. [26:04.600 --> 26:09.440] Well, then your exhibits and information is going to be exactly the same as everyone else's [26:09.440 --> 26:10.440] then. [26:10.440 --> 26:11.440] Okay. [26:11.440 --> 26:16.880] And since the officer was in the video doing what he's doing, that's going to be the reason [26:16.880 --> 26:20.720] you're going to be pressing charges against the officer. [26:20.720 --> 26:26.240] The officer is obviously colluding with other officers to trump up a charge to shut you [26:26.240 --> 26:27.240] up. [26:27.240 --> 26:28.720] That's basically how I would address it. [26:28.720 --> 26:29.720] Yeah. [26:29.720 --> 26:30.720] Yeah. [26:30.720 --> 26:31.720] What did you say? [26:31.720 --> 26:32.720] Press charges? [26:32.720 --> 26:33.720] Like when? [26:33.720 --> 26:34.720] Yes. [26:34.720 --> 26:38.440] You need to take criminal complaints to court with you as well against the police officers. [26:38.440 --> 26:40.440] That's going to be a separate form, right? [26:40.440 --> 26:41.440] Yes. [26:41.440 --> 26:45.840] It'll be a separate form, yes, but you'll submit it at the same time. [26:45.840 --> 26:51.160] And you'll want copies of those complaints as attachments to your motion when you file [26:51.160 --> 26:52.160] it. [26:52.160 --> 26:53.160] And you'll need to... [26:53.160 --> 26:56.680] So most of the criminal complaints and the exhibits are all going to be submitted in [26:56.680 --> 26:57.680] one shot. [26:57.680 --> 26:58.680] Right. [26:58.680 --> 27:02.800] Now, the criminal complaints that I would file if I were you would be abuse of official [27:02.800 --> 27:12.720] capacity 2.02, I'm sorry, 39.02, and official oppression 39.03, Code of Criminal Procedure. [27:12.720 --> 27:13.720] What? [27:13.720 --> 27:14.720] Penal code. [27:14.720 --> 27:15.720] I'm sorry. [27:15.720 --> 27:16.720] 39.02. [27:16.720 --> 27:17.720] 39.02. [27:17.720 --> 27:18.720] What again? [27:18.720 --> 27:19.720] Two? [27:19.720 --> 27:20.720] And what else? [27:20.720 --> 27:21.720] 39.02 and 39.03. [27:21.720 --> 27:24.560] Now, I've got copies of criminal complaints for both of those. [27:24.560 --> 27:27.720] You just have to change the details of them to suit your specifics. [27:27.720 --> 27:28.720] Okay. [27:28.720 --> 27:29.720] Now, wait a minute. [27:29.720 --> 27:32.560] They're going to file the criminal complaints before the case? [27:32.560 --> 27:33.560] On the officer, they can. [27:33.560 --> 27:34.560] Okay. [27:34.560 --> 27:36.200] Because the officer has already committed the crime. [27:36.200 --> 27:37.200] Okay. [27:37.200 --> 27:38.200] Yeah. [27:38.200 --> 27:39.600] And they would go to the district attorney for that? [27:39.600 --> 27:40.600] Yeah. [27:40.600 --> 27:45.680] They could file them with the clerk of the court and send copies attached to their motion [27:45.680 --> 27:48.320] when they have to notify the district attorney anyway. [27:48.320 --> 27:49.320] Wait. [27:49.320 --> 27:53.520] You can't technically file a criminal complaint with the clerk of the court. [27:53.520 --> 27:54.520] No, no, no. [27:54.520 --> 27:55.520] I understand that. [27:55.520 --> 27:57.840] I'm talking a certified copy of it. [27:57.840 --> 28:05.480] But the clerk, unless you file it into the case, and in that case, you would want it [28:05.480 --> 28:13.480] as an attachment to a motion that's moving to dismiss because the officer violated his [28:13.480 --> 28:21.520] breach of code of his office and acted outside the scope of his authority, and use that complaint [28:21.520 --> 28:26.320] as an attachment, then you could get it filed into the permanent court record. [28:26.320 --> 28:27.320] Okay. [28:27.320 --> 28:32.160] But officially, you can't file one that way. [28:32.160 --> 28:38.600] Officially, a criminal complaint is filed with a magistrate, which that judge just happens [28:38.600 --> 28:39.600] to be. [28:39.600 --> 28:40.600] Yeah. [28:40.600 --> 28:42.200] But that would have to be done in person. [28:42.200 --> 28:43.680] That's not filed with the clerk. [28:43.680 --> 28:44.680] In court. [28:44.680 --> 28:49.040] I say, Your Honor, I want to file criminal complaints against this officer. [28:49.040 --> 28:50.040] Here it is. [28:50.040 --> 28:51.040] I mean... [28:51.040 --> 28:57.720] Well, I generally, if you try to do that, the judge is going to do a song and dance [28:57.720 --> 29:02.160] and try to get out of it, so I generally try to bushwhack him with it. [29:02.160 --> 29:03.160] I just want to get it in. [29:03.160 --> 29:04.160] I mean, all this... [29:04.160 --> 29:05.160] I've never been in court before. [29:05.160 --> 29:06.160] It's my first time doing this. [29:06.160 --> 29:07.160] I mean, we're just... [29:07.160 --> 29:08.160] You know what I mean? [29:08.160 --> 29:09.160] Yeah. [29:09.160 --> 29:18.400] So you tell the judge you have a document you need him to look at, and ask to approach [29:18.400 --> 29:24.440] and give him the document, and when he looks at it, he's bound by law. [29:24.440 --> 29:28.880] And then what's going to happen is the prosecutor's going to object for you wanting to give something [29:28.880 --> 29:32.840] to the judge that he hasn't seen yet, so then how do you get around that? [29:32.840 --> 29:35.640] Well, do you submit an report, Dave? [29:35.640 --> 29:36.640] Yeah. [29:36.640 --> 29:37.640] He's going to... [29:37.640 --> 29:41.760] Well, it kind of depends on how that works if you get the opportunity. [29:41.760 --> 29:50.720] Would it be easier just to go to the prosecutor, to the district attorney? 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[32:35.240 --> 32:40.120] We're speaking with Matt and Joseph from We Are Change San Antonio, talking about this [32:40.120 --> 32:43.960] case that they have coming up. [32:43.960 --> 32:48.440] The bushwhacking thing of the judge, see all judges are magistrates, and the bushwhacking [32:48.440 --> 32:54.120] thing of the judge during a trial in a criminal case, it may or may not work because what's [32:54.120 --> 32:59.280] going to happen is... See, once the judge has a criminal complaint in front of his hand, [32:59.280 --> 33:03.560] all of a sudden he becomes a magistrate, and he's bound by duty to act upon it, but getting [33:03.560 --> 33:06.320] it into his hand is the hard part. [33:06.320 --> 33:08.720] If you just tell him you want to give him a criminal complaint, he's not going to want [33:08.720 --> 33:12.920] to take it, and yeah, that's a crime too, so then you can go after him for that, and [33:12.920 --> 33:17.320] it just sort of goes around in circles, and you create more fights for yourself. [33:17.320 --> 33:22.040] If you manage to be able to get it in front of him, the prosecutor's going to object because [33:22.040 --> 33:25.200] you're trying to give something to the judge without the prosecutor seeing it. [33:25.200 --> 33:30.080] He's going to object and say it's something ex parte, and it could be very difficult, [33:30.080 --> 33:33.440] and that's why we were saying maybe better just to give the criminal complaints to the [33:33.440 --> 33:41.080] district attorney either before or after the trial, or you can have them attached as an [33:41.080 --> 33:47.160] exhibit as a third reason to dismiss because the police did this or that or the other thing [33:47.160 --> 33:48.840] that was breaking the law. [33:48.840 --> 33:55.880] Now going back to the evidence thing, Randy was starting to say a few minutes ago concerning [33:55.880 --> 33:58.320] establishing foundation for the evidence. [33:58.320 --> 34:03.280] You can't just give anything as evidence, so Randy, you want to explain that? [34:03.280 --> 34:04.280] Yeah. [34:04.280 --> 34:14.580] If anybody's been in court and they try to give something to the judge, you get an objection [34:14.580 --> 34:17.880] from the prosecutor foundation. [34:17.880 --> 34:24.320] In order to give evidence, you have to show that the evidence has some bearing or relevance [34:24.320 --> 34:34.680] to the case, and that's establishing foundation, like the video, the YouTube video. [34:34.680 --> 34:45.920] You need evidence in the court that at the time this occurred, someone was videotaping [34:45.920 --> 34:46.920] the incident. [34:46.920 --> 34:47.920] That's the foundation. [34:47.920 --> 34:48.920] Is that what we say? [34:48.920 --> 34:49.920] Yeah. [34:49.920 --> 34:52.920] Now like in Matthew's case, we all three have tickets. [34:52.920 --> 34:53.920] Matthew was the one videotaping. [34:53.920 --> 34:56.920] Can you say, well, I was videotaping while I was getting the ticket? [34:56.920 --> 35:00.800] Can you approach it the same way that me and Adam would? [35:00.800 --> 35:07.440] Yes, you can do that in an affidavit in the motion where you're making a statement of [35:07.440 --> 35:08.440] fact in the motion. [35:08.440 --> 35:12.160] So is this a motion to submit evidence, is that a separate motion? [35:12.160 --> 35:21.000] Yeah, like in your motion to dismiss, stating that the particular ordinance doesn't apply [35:21.000 --> 35:28.760] to you because you weren't acting in commerce, and as you can state in the motion that you [35:28.760 --> 35:32.840] weren't acting in commerce, and there's absolute proof that you weren't acting in commerce, [35:32.840 --> 35:38.560] and that proof consists of a videotape that a certain individual was taking of the incident [35:38.560 --> 35:40.040] at the time it occurred. [35:40.040 --> 35:41.640] She said videotape attached. [35:41.640 --> 35:47.000] Yeah, and also the sign was laying on the ground too. [35:47.000 --> 35:49.440] That establishes foundation for the videotape. [35:49.440 --> 35:55.240] Okay, and then when we submit the motion, we don't submit a DVD ahead of time, we just [35:55.240 --> 35:57.240] bring it to court with us, right? [35:57.240 --> 35:58.240] Right. [35:58.240 --> 35:59.240] Take it to court with you. [35:59.240 --> 36:02.920] Well, then how would they list that as an exhibit in the motion or not? [36:02.920 --> 36:03.920] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [36:03.920 --> 36:04.920] Yeah, you're right. [36:04.920 --> 36:09.440] It would have to be, you need to file it ahead of time and send it to the prosecutor so he [36:09.440 --> 36:13.640] can look at it and scream and holler and jump up and down and object. [36:13.640 --> 36:15.640] That's time to view it, okay? [36:15.640 --> 36:20.600] If there's a link on YouTube, well, no, that's fine, I'll forget that, I was thinking something, [36:20.600 --> 36:23.440] you know, we could just go to the web and show it, but we've got to have it on our [36:23.440 --> 36:24.440] desk. [36:24.440 --> 36:25.440] That would be even better. [36:25.440 --> 36:30.440] Yeah, but they would still have to have their audio-video equipment is the point if they [36:30.440 --> 36:32.120] want to present it in court. [36:32.120 --> 36:37.320] I can bring my laptop and a projector and I've got a way to get in on my laptop. [36:37.320 --> 36:43.840] You may want to say in the motion, you may want to, you know, you may want to cite the [36:43.840 --> 36:49.480] URL for the YouTube video, but you're also going to want to submit the DVD as a specific [36:49.480 --> 36:50.480] exhibit. [36:50.480 --> 36:54.320] You're not going to want to rely on the Internet connection in court, they may not have it. [36:54.320 --> 37:02.760] And also for the motion, also for the motion that the prosecutor is going to have to see, [37:02.760 --> 37:08.640] you want him to have the DVD too, so you list both, because it's an exhibit, so it has to [37:08.640 --> 37:13.800] be a thing or a piece of paper or something, not just a link. [37:13.800 --> 37:14.800] Okay. [37:14.800 --> 37:15.800] All right. [37:15.800 --> 37:21.160] Now that makes sense, he has to have a time to review it and see it ahead of time, but [37:21.160 --> 37:25.440] we can't object to a data system like a surprise, you know, piece of evidence. [37:25.440 --> 37:26.440] Right. [37:26.440 --> 37:27.440] Right. [37:27.440 --> 37:29.280] And you have to establish the foundation for the evidence. [37:29.280 --> 37:33.360] And these are going to be motions that each one of you file, because these are separate [37:33.360 --> 37:34.360] cases. [37:34.360 --> 37:35.360] Right. [37:35.360 --> 37:36.360] Where each one of you are separate defendants. [37:36.360 --> 37:37.360] Right. [37:37.360 --> 37:41.680] And now this foundation, maybe we can kind of clarify that, because I'm not sure I understand [37:41.680 --> 37:42.680] get that, you know, the foundation. [37:42.680 --> 37:45.400] How do we establish the foundation? [37:45.400 --> 37:48.160] Foundation is really relatively simple. [37:48.160 --> 37:55.000] Foundation just means that you establish that the evidence you're about to present has some [37:55.000 --> 37:56.520] bearing on the case. [37:56.520 --> 37:57.520] Okay. [37:57.520 --> 38:04.440] And like with the videotape, you can say that, you know, you weren't, what you were doing [38:04.440 --> 38:07.360] didn't constitute commerce. [38:07.360 --> 38:14.200] And there's proof that you didn't, that you weren't in commerce, and that proof is contained [38:14.200 --> 38:22.600] on a videotape that was taped at the time of the incident, that establishes foundation [38:22.600 --> 38:23.600] for the videotape. [38:23.600 --> 38:30.240] So, Randy, would this be like a separate paragraph where it's in their motion to dismiss, where [38:30.240 --> 38:37.040] it's a, you know, when they're about to cite the DVD as an exhibit, they would have a paragraph [38:37.040 --> 38:41.600] titled foundation for evidence for exhibit A or what? [38:41.600 --> 38:42.600] How would that be written? [38:42.600 --> 38:45.320] You wouldn't, you wouldn't call it foundation. [38:45.320 --> 38:54.020] You would just state that at the time of the incident, there was a videotape being made [38:54.020 --> 38:59.440] by a certain person and that videotape is attached. [38:59.440 --> 39:09.560] Stating that it, that's evidence that a videotape was being, was made at the time of the incident, [39:09.560 --> 39:12.600] that gives foundation for the introduction of the videotape. [39:12.600 --> 39:18.560] If you just tried to introduce the videotape without the sworn testimony and the sworn [39:18.560 --> 39:24.120] testimony could be in the form of a motion, of a statement, of affidavit in a motion. [39:24.120 --> 39:29.440] And who's the sworn testimony, would that be of Matt, the one who took the video? [39:29.440 --> 39:37.540] Yes, well, the plaintiff, the defendant in filing a motion, when you make a statement [39:37.540 --> 39:41.220] of positive fact in a motion, that has to be verified. [39:41.220 --> 39:49.640] So that portion of the motion becomes an affidavit and that affidavit, if it gives evidence that [39:49.640 --> 39:58.520] there exists, if it states that there exists evidence, that gives foundation for the evidence. [39:58.520 --> 40:04.120] Now would they say in this foundation statement that this videotape, which was taken at the [40:04.120 --> 40:09.800] time of the alleged incident, proves that the defendant was not engaged in commerce? [40:09.800 --> 40:12.560] Would they state that as well? [40:12.560 --> 40:13.560] You can. [40:13.560 --> 40:17.840] It depends on how your argument flows. [40:17.840 --> 40:21.760] But I mean, if you just say there's a videotape that was taken at the time, here it is. [40:21.760 --> 40:25.280] I mean, don't they have to be a little bit more specific than that? [40:25.280 --> 40:30.840] Yeah, I'm trying not to dictate their dialogue, but you'd merely have to state that there [40:30.840 --> 40:37.760] is evidence that exists and it exists in the form of a videotape, that the videotape was [40:37.760 --> 40:40.360] taken at the time of the incident. [40:40.360 --> 40:43.640] That establishes that the videotape is evidence. [40:43.640 --> 40:45.360] That gives you foundation for it. [40:45.360 --> 40:52.320] But they don't have to say that the videotape establishes that the defendant was not engaged [40:52.320 --> 40:53.320] in commerce? [40:53.320 --> 40:54.480] They don't have to go that far? [40:54.480 --> 40:55.480] No, no. [40:55.480 --> 41:01.160] Just that it exists, that it was taken at the same time, and you don't have to state [41:01.160 --> 41:06.960] precisely what kind of evidence it contains, just simply that it does contain evidence. [41:06.960 --> 41:09.680] Should they say it contains exculpatory evidence? [41:09.680 --> 41:10.920] No, no. [41:10.920 --> 41:13.320] You don't have to qualify that at all. [41:13.320 --> 41:19.200] Just merely stating that it was taken at the time is sufficient. [41:19.200 --> 41:23.880] And sometimes it's better only to say enough. [41:23.880 --> 41:31.960] A lot of times, the prosecutor is looking for a reason to jump on you and argue with [41:31.960 --> 41:32.960] what you say. [41:32.960 --> 41:35.360] So try to say only as much as you have to. [41:35.360 --> 41:39.240] Well, I thought that they were going to say that one of the reasons for their motion to [41:39.240 --> 41:45.080] dismiss was the fact that they were not engaged in commerce and that this sign was not affixed [41:45.080 --> 41:46.080] to anything. [41:46.080 --> 41:47.080] Okay. [41:47.080 --> 41:51.960] So are you saying that they should not say that in the motion to dismiss and just wait? [41:51.960 --> 41:53.040] Of course not. [41:53.040 --> 41:56.720] But don't say, I'm not engaged in commerce, I've got this piece of information. [41:56.720 --> 41:59.200] I'm not engaged in commerce, I've got a video. [41:59.200 --> 42:00.200] You don't have to do that. [42:00.200 --> 42:02.560] You only have to say it as a conclusion. [42:02.560 --> 42:05.480] You don't have to say it in the front and in the middle or anywhere else. [42:05.480 --> 42:06.480] Okay. [42:06.480 --> 42:11.360] But would they say in the motion to dismiss that they were not violating the ordinance [42:11.360 --> 42:14.920] because they were not engaged in commerce and because the sign was not affixed? [42:14.920 --> 42:16.880] Would they say that in the motion anywhere? [42:16.880 --> 42:20.760] If that's the purpose of the motion, absolutely. [42:20.760 --> 42:26.320] Well, yeah, that would be one of the reasons for the motion to dismiss. [42:26.320 --> 42:29.120] You don't have to say it in order to introduce the evidence. [42:29.120 --> 42:32.260] Yeah, it'll be a two-pronged argument in the motion. [42:32.260 --> 42:36.080] The ordinance doesn't apply because of Article 3, Section 29. [42:36.080 --> 42:39.640] The ordinance doesn't apply because it is written for the purpose of those engaging [42:39.640 --> 42:45.200] in commerce with fixed signs of a this type and this type which we did not have nor we [42:45.200 --> 42:46.200] engaged in. [42:46.200 --> 42:55.120] You can do that in a conclusion of this kind that we were not engaged in as evidenced by [42:55.120 --> 42:57.760] Exhibit A or whatever. [42:57.760 --> 43:01.760] So you can use your evidence in the conclusion. [43:01.760 --> 43:05.200] You don't have to prove up your evidence in the front. [43:05.200 --> 43:15.720] You merely need to give indication that it is evidence, foundation, not proof. [43:15.720 --> 43:20.680] It may turn out not to be evidence, but you have foundation to present it and that's all [43:20.680 --> 43:21.680] you have to establish. [43:21.680 --> 43:22.880] It doesn't take much. [43:22.880 --> 43:28.840] But mainly the two reasons for the motion to dismiss are, number one, this enacting [43:28.840 --> 43:33.680] clause that Randy was citing and also, number two, the ordinance does not apply to them [43:33.680 --> 43:37.200] because they were not engaged in commerce and the sign was not affixed. [43:37.200 --> 43:38.200] Exactly. [43:38.200 --> 43:41.360] Okay, and that would be at the beginning of the motion, I would think. [43:41.360 --> 43:47.240] But either at the beginning or in the conclusion, the point is you don't have to qualify the [43:47.240 --> 43:48.240] evidence completely. [43:48.240 --> 43:54.120] You just have to give some kind of reason for it being evidence and that's all the [43:54.120 --> 43:55.120] foundation. [43:55.120 --> 43:56.120] Okay, we're going to break. [43:56.120 --> 44:00.680] We'll be right back. [44:00.680 --> 44:03.520] Special Roast Hemp Coffee from HempUSA.org. 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[44:36.960 --> 44:48.240] Visit us at HempUSA.org or call 908-691-2608, that's 908-691-2608 and see if you'll change [44:48.240 --> 44:50.560] your mind about drinking coffee again. [44:50.560 --> 45:19.000] Taste the difference, feel the difference at HempUSA.org today. [45:19.000 --> 45:25.680] Okay we're back, all right we're talking about foundation to establish the evidence and what [45:25.680 --> 45:32.240] evidence exists here, exculpatory evidence that is, which is evidence that proves the [45:32.240 --> 45:41.480] innocence of Matt and Abel, I'm sorry, Matt and Joseph and Adam and okay so when is you [45:41.480 --> 45:42.480] guys' hearing? [45:42.480 --> 45:43.480] When's the trial? [45:43.480 --> 45:44.480] The seventh. [45:44.480 --> 45:51.960] All right so Randy, Eddie, do y'all know when is the deadline for them to submit motions [45:51.960 --> 45:53.040] to dismiss? [45:53.040 --> 45:55.080] I would think it'd be at least seven days. [45:55.080 --> 46:01.280] Yeah it's generally seven days before trial, yeah all motions they want them seven days [46:01.280 --> 46:02.280] before trial. [46:02.280 --> 46:05.600] I guess we got to get on it, yeah. [46:05.600 --> 46:12.000] Y'all got to get on it because that would be, that would be this next Wednesday. [46:12.000 --> 46:13.000] Yes. [46:13.000 --> 46:18.400] We'll probably work on the forms this week and we'll submit them you know by Monday, [46:18.400 --> 46:21.400] I think we should be able to do that there. [46:21.400 --> 46:22.400] Yeah sounds good. [46:22.400 --> 46:25.400] Yeah especially with us helping. [46:25.400 --> 46:33.640] Yeah definitely, if I can go during the day in the morning and I can turn them in. [46:33.640 --> 46:38.960] Yeah I got an email from Ron so I sent back a verification with my contact information [46:38.960 --> 46:41.560] guys so that you can get in touch with me directly. [46:41.560 --> 46:43.160] At willoflawradio.com? [46:43.160 --> 46:44.160] Yes. [46:44.160 --> 46:45.160] Okay. [46:45.160 --> 46:46.160] Okay. [46:46.160 --> 46:53.160] Yes and you can download the archives later tonight from this show and also the archives [46:53.160 --> 46:58.640] from when you guys were on a couple months ago that's, that's already available as well. [46:58.640 --> 46:59.640] Okay. [46:59.640 --> 47:00.640] That's good. [47:00.640 --> 47:09.080] All right so what else needs to be done here guys? [47:09.080 --> 47:13.880] Randy, Eddie? [47:13.880 --> 47:17.400] Well just go ahead Randy. [47:17.400 --> 47:23.640] You need to subpoena any personal recordings that the officers may have taken. [47:23.640 --> 47:26.400] They always have a personal recording device. [47:26.400 --> 47:31.600] Yeah and if possible you want to get the recording of both ends of that conversation. [47:31.600 --> 47:35.920] This is the reason the police officer is using their personal cell phones for these communications [47:35.920 --> 47:38.360] now rather than their radios. [47:38.360 --> 47:39.760] The radios are recorded. [47:39.760 --> 47:41.680] Their cell phones are not. [47:41.680 --> 47:45.720] So when they do what this officer was obviously doing in the video and conspiring with somebody [47:45.720 --> 47:49.160] on the other end, there's not normally a record of that. [47:49.160 --> 47:50.160] Okay. [47:50.160 --> 47:53.320] As you've got him on video doing that very thing. [47:53.320 --> 47:54.320] Right. [47:54.320 --> 47:55.320] Let's see. [47:55.320 --> 48:02.560] Well the only thing that kind of gets me is I don't have the video on my iPhone anymore [48:02.560 --> 48:06.960] but I use my iPhone to also videotape them and he makes the comment, he says I bet that [48:06.960 --> 48:15.040] camera on the streets got a better shot of your iPhone and my response to him was I don't [48:15.040 --> 48:16.040] care. [48:16.040 --> 48:19.400] So if we subpoena that then he gets to subpoena my phone, right? [48:19.400 --> 48:20.400] Basically? [48:20.400 --> 48:21.400] Yes. [48:21.400 --> 48:22.400] Yes. [48:22.400 --> 48:23.400] Well yeah. [48:23.400 --> 48:30.200] Yeah if you subpoenaed his and he mentions your iPhone, that's what's called foundation. [48:30.200 --> 48:32.960] But then he'll subpoena mine, right? [48:32.960 --> 48:33.960] Which means what? [48:33.960 --> 48:34.960] I've got to take my phone to court? [48:34.960 --> 48:35.960] Or is that, you know? [48:35.960 --> 48:38.800] They're not going to subpoena your iPhone. [48:38.800 --> 48:43.560] They don't want any incriminating evidence, especially if it's incriminating them. [48:43.560 --> 48:48.400] Is the video from your iPhone, you've already downloaded it somewhere or uploaded it somewhere, [48:48.400 --> 48:49.400] right? [48:49.400 --> 48:50.400] Yeah I think I probably have it on the phone somewhere. [48:50.400 --> 48:51.400] I've got to find it though. [48:51.400 --> 48:54.920] Well actually you know I have a YouTube clip as well with it. [48:54.920 --> 48:56.400] It's on my YouTube page. [48:56.400 --> 49:00.760] I can download that right onto a disc but I'm not sure I want to do that because I kind [49:00.760 --> 49:10.480] of had to with the cop myself so I'm not sure I want to, you know, but I was worried about [49:10.480 --> 49:11.480] that. [49:11.480 --> 49:14.720] I tell you, don't worry too much about the cops. [49:14.720 --> 49:19.440] The harder you kick them, the less they're going to want to have to do with you next [49:19.440 --> 49:20.440] time. [49:20.440 --> 49:21.440] That's what we want. [49:21.440 --> 49:23.440] We want them to leave us alone so we can do our activism. [49:23.440 --> 49:29.400] You know we didn't have a First Friday this month or last month because of this incident. [49:29.400 --> 49:32.200] You know or I mean not last month because this month is still coming out but last month [49:32.200 --> 49:33.200] we didn't have a First Friday. [49:33.200 --> 49:35.840] Don't let them stop you guys. [49:35.840 --> 49:41.800] You know we just wanted to get through this first but you know they've been after us pretty [49:41.800 --> 49:42.800] much. [49:42.800 --> 49:48.520] You know because we got this ticket on April 11th and then the following month of May, [49:48.520 --> 49:56.640] the first Friday of May, was the third time that we got harassed within like a month and [49:56.640 --> 50:03.240] it was that time when a steam officer wrote another one of our guys a ticket for soliciting [50:03.240 --> 50:09.440] and that's a whole nother confrontation where the officer actually gets physical with us [50:09.440 --> 50:11.720] and you know that was within the span of a month. [50:11.720 --> 50:19.200] We went from the portable banner ticket to actual solicitation so it was since that time [50:19.200 --> 50:24.280] we haven't really gone out on the streets to hand out any DVDs. [50:24.280 --> 50:26.880] So you need to go after the officers. [50:26.880 --> 50:29.720] We'd like them to know okay we are who we are and leave us alone. [50:29.720 --> 50:31.440] You know we're just going on information you know. [50:31.440 --> 50:36.220] They're not going to okay you got to understand they are not going to leave you alone unless [50:36.220 --> 50:38.120] you kick them in their teeth. [50:38.120 --> 50:39.120] Okay. [50:39.120 --> 50:41.760] They're like school yard bullies. [50:41.760 --> 50:42.760] Okay. [50:42.760 --> 50:48.160] They're going to push and they're going to push as long as they think they can and it's [50:48.160 --> 50:51.280] real easy to get them to stop pushing. [50:51.280 --> 50:52.560] Yeah. [50:52.560 --> 50:56.640] You take your criminal complaints and take them to the district attorney and he'll refuse [50:56.640 --> 51:01.920] to take them and then you make up a set of criminal complaints against the district attorney [51:01.920 --> 51:04.440] and go in and bushwhack a district judge. [51:04.440 --> 51:07.520] You're saying the district attorney won't take the complaint like if I go to the district [51:07.520 --> 51:10.280] attorney with complaints against the cop he's not going to take them? [51:10.280 --> 51:11.280] Of course not. [51:11.280 --> 51:12.280] Yeah. [51:12.280 --> 51:15.000] He's going to do his best to say I'm not doing that. [51:15.000 --> 51:16.600] So you want him to do that? [51:16.600 --> 51:18.960] Well who would take the complaints though? [51:18.960 --> 51:19.960] Okay. [51:19.960 --> 51:20.960] Let me explain. [51:20.960 --> 51:26.960] The jury might take them but first you might get a justice of the peace to take them. [51:26.960 --> 51:28.960] Justice of the peace? [51:28.960 --> 51:29.960] Maybe. [51:29.960 --> 51:30.960] Wait. [51:30.960 --> 51:31.960] That's not the... [51:31.960 --> 51:32.960] I'm going to a different point. [51:32.960 --> 51:33.960] Yeah. [51:33.960 --> 51:35.760] I know you want to get the whole system but I just want to get this cop. [51:35.760 --> 51:37.960] You want to get the cop to leave you alone? [51:37.960 --> 51:38.960] Yeah. [51:38.960 --> 51:42.160] You take a criminal complaint against the cop to the district attorney and he's going [51:42.160 --> 51:47.120] to refuse to take it and then you make up a complaint against the district attorney [51:47.120 --> 51:56.160] for misfeasance in office and official oppression and you take it to a district judge. [51:56.160 --> 52:04.200] The way you get to a district judge is you find out when the judge is having motion hearings. [52:04.200 --> 52:09.320] You go in the courtroom while he's having motion hearings, call his bailiff over, tell [52:09.320 --> 52:15.040] the bailiff your name, tell him to instruct the judge that you have business with the [52:15.040 --> 52:22.320] court and the bailiff will ask you the nature of the business and you say... [52:22.320 --> 52:23.880] You can do two things. [52:23.880 --> 52:27.720] You can either tell him you have business with the court and it's none of his and go [52:27.720 --> 52:36.840] sit down or you can hand him this criminal complaint signed before a notary and verified. [52:36.840 --> 52:40.760] That's what a notary is in law. [52:40.760 --> 52:46.160] He's going to look at it and when you hand it to him, go sit down, don't talk to him [52:46.160 --> 52:47.160] anymore. [52:47.160 --> 52:48.160] Okay. [52:48.160 --> 52:53.240] Then he's going to go give it to the judge and the judge is going to do some song and [52:53.240 --> 52:55.520] dance. [52:55.520 --> 52:59.480] He's either just going to tell the bailiff to tell you he's not going to take it or he's [52:59.480 --> 53:02.640] going to call you up and tell you that he's not going to take it and you don't care what [53:02.640 --> 53:05.640] he does. [53:05.640 --> 53:14.120] Now you go to the grand jury with criminal charges against the district judge for refusing [53:14.120 --> 53:21.600] to perform his magisterial duty in order to shield the district attorney from prosecution. [53:21.600 --> 53:24.440] I don't tell him you're a magistrate, you have to take the document. [53:24.440 --> 53:27.680] You can tell him but he's going to ignore you. [53:27.680 --> 53:28.680] I can do that. [53:28.680 --> 53:29.680] I've done it enough. [53:29.680 --> 53:33.040] I kind of got a way of getting away with it. [53:33.040 --> 53:39.560] The first time you go into the court, no, I don't do that, just set him up and he thinks [53:39.560 --> 53:45.720] he's blown you off and the next thing he knows, he finds out that you're trying to get to [53:45.720 --> 53:51.640] the grand jury with criminal charges against him for not taking criminal charges against [53:51.640 --> 53:56.640] the prosecuting attorney and he is not going to be happy with the prosecuting attorney [53:56.640 --> 54:00.800] for getting him into this mess and neither one of them are going to be happy with this [54:00.800 --> 54:01.800] police officer. [54:01.800 --> 54:05.320] They're not going to care if what he did was right, wrong or what have you. [54:05.320 --> 54:10.480] All they know is they got a problem and you caused it. [54:10.480 --> 54:19.120] Once you have filed against a district judge, if you go back to the courthouse or if a policeman [54:19.120 --> 54:24.920] anywhere does anything you don't like, like you're out there handing out banners and [54:24.920 --> 54:30.280] a policeman comes up and gives you some Crapola, wait a minute. [54:30.280 --> 54:34.740] That district judge sent you down here to harass me, didn't he? [54:34.740 --> 54:39.200] Just because I filed one little crummy complaint with the grand jury against him, I'll take [54:39.200 --> 54:40.200] care of him. [54:40.200 --> 54:42.240] I'll make him wish, wait until I file some more against him. [54:42.240 --> 54:48.200] I'll get him in prison yet, the no good scumbag and you're going to terrify this police officer. [54:48.200 --> 54:49.200] Okay. [54:49.200 --> 54:55.440] He's going to see his career pass before his eyes when the district judge gets accused [54:55.440 --> 54:58.000] of sending him out to harass you. [54:58.000 --> 54:59.000] Okay. [54:59.000 --> 55:01.680] This will work. [55:01.680 --> 55:05.960] If your only purpose is to get them to leave you alone, that's probably the best way to [55:05.960 --> 55:06.960] do it. [55:06.960 --> 55:09.960] Well, we want to have our rights, obviously. [55:09.960 --> 55:12.240] We could have pled no contest to pay to small people. [55:12.240 --> 55:19.120] We didn't do that because we're not guilty. [55:19.120 --> 55:20.880] This is a more subtle way. [55:20.880 --> 55:27.440] I tend to be a little more in their face, but it's enough if you go down and get the [55:27.440 --> 55:29.320] judge to refuse. [55:29.320 --> 55:33.400] See, the judge is a magistrate. [55:33.400 --> 55:36.240] Every judge in Texas is a magistrate. [55:36.240 --> 55:41.200] And when you present the judge with a criminal complaint, he becomes a magistrate. [55:41.200 --> 55:47.200] That's why I said earlier, you can't present the complaint to the clerk because no lawyer [55:47.200 --> 55:52.360] is required to accept the complaint. [55:52.360 --> 55:59.860] Magistrates are the only ones in law except a prosecuting attorney, and a prosecuting [55:59.860 --> 56:05.880] attorney is only required to accept a complaint when it's against a public official. [56:05.880 --> 56:10.000] Otherwise, all complaints are directed to some magistrate. [56:10.000 --> 56:17.320] If somebody brings a complaint to the prosecuting attorney, 205 directs him to present it to [56:17.320 --> 56:18.320] some magistrate. [56:18.320 --> 56:23.640] A police officer, when he hasn't reasonably the crimes been committed, he's to present [56:23.640 --> 56:25.560] the complaint to some magistrate. [56:25.560 --> 56:28.200] Everything directs it to a magistrate. [56:28.200 --> 56:35.160] And when you present a complaint to a judge, you invoke his duty as a magistrate. [56:35.160 --> 56:40.960] And I really like to tell them that, and that that is a duty from which they may not shield [56:40.960 --> 56:41.960] themselves. [56:41.960 --> 56:45.280] Now, you don't have to tell them that. [56:45.280 --> 56:50.840] It's actually pretty powerful to go in and ask him to take it. [56:50.840 --> 56:57.680] And he refuses, and you go away, and he thinks he's won this little encounter, until he finds [56:57.680 --> 57:00.800] out you're trying to present complaints against him to the grand jury. [57:00.800 --> 57:07.160] And he's going to say, that no good rascal set me up. [57:07.160 --> 57:11.080] And that's going to make them even more leery of you because they never know what you're [57:11.080 --> 57:13.360] setting them up for next. [57:13.360 --> 57:19.600] And when the policeman come out, and you accuse him of being sent by the district judge, you [57:19.600 --> 57:20.600] just watch. [57:20.600 --> 57:25.760] You want to see a policeman's face turn white, you accuse him of that, and you'll get to [57:25.760 --> 57:26.760] see it. [57:26.760 --> 57:30.160] I know I've been there, I've done that. [57:30.160 --> 57:31.160] It does work. [57:31.160 --> 57:36.720] Now, Randy, would all of this be done, would this be good to wait until after this court [57:36.720 --> 57:40.520] date, or should they start on this ahead of time, or what? [57:40.520 --> 57:42.520] Yeah, ahead of time. [57:42.520 --> 57:51.520] Because now you're really bad news, and gives this court more reason to dismiss your case [57:51.520 --> 57:57.560] to get you to go away, because you're causing, they're like bullies in the high school parking [57:57.560 --> 57:58.560] lot. [57:58.560 --> 58:05.200] Actually, these municipal courts are just there to generate money. [58:05.200 --> 58:10.360] And what exactly are the charges against the officers in this case? [58:10.360 --> 58:15.320] Criminal oppression, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, we've got a whole stack of them. [58:15.320 --> 58:16.320] Criminal conspiracy. [58:16.320 --> 58:26.760] Aggravated exposure, tampering with government documents, too many, it's easy to get too [58:26.760 --> 58:27.760] many. [58:27.760 --> 58:31.960] All right, do you want to discuss the criminal charges on the other side, specifically? [58:31.960 --> 58:34.880] Oh yeah, that'll be a lot of fun. [58:34.880 --> 58:39.120] Okay, Joseph, Matt, if you want to hang on, we'll discuss the criminal charges specifically [58:39.120 --> 58:42.920] against these officers on the other side, and then we'll start taking calls from the [58:42.920 --> 58:43.920] audience. [58:43.920 --> 58:51.080] 512-646-1984 is the call-in number, we're going to finish up with Joseph and Matt from [58:51.080 --> 58:54.960] We Are Change San Antonio, right on the other side, as soon as we get back, this is the [58:54.960 --> 59:13.360] rule of law, Raina Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens. [59:13.360 --> 59:41.720] All right, let's get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [59:41.720 --> 01:00:10.280] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:30.080] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:00:30.080 --> 01:00:54.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:00:54.880 --> 01:01:15.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:36.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:57.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:18.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:39.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:02:39.880 --> 01:03:00.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:28.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:53.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:03:53.880 --> 01:04:20.880] and then we'll get back to the call-in number, and then we'll get back to the call-in number, [01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:23.940] Johnson and it was just, it was just fantastic. [01:04:23.940 --> 01:04:25.640] Alex Jones, everybody was there. [01:04:25.640 --> 01:04:27.140] It was just a fantastic event. [01:04:27.140 --> 01:04:30.720] We broadcast live on the internet here, [01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:33.800] rule of law radio and on multiple FM and AM stations [01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:34.640] around the country. [01:04:34.640 --> 01:04:36.860] So it was great to work with you guys back then. [01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:39.760] So yeah, we definitely want to help any way we can. [01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.440] Okay, we're going to discuss now the specific criminal [01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.720] charges against these police officers. [01:04:45.720 --> 01:04:47.920] So Randy, you want to get into that? [01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:52.920] Well, since they weren't violating any laws, [01:04:55.160 --> 01:05:00.160] you were approached by a man who was prominently displaying [01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.920] a deadly weapon and he arrested you. [01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:08.160] Yes, you had to be arrested [01:05:08.160 --> 01:05:10.180] before you could sign the citation. [01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.840] So in Texas, there is no false imprisonment statute. [01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.840] There is a cause of action for false imprisonment, [01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.600] but no false imprisonment statute. [01:05:24.600 --> 01:05:26.240] The statute is kidnapping. [01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:30.600] And if someone restricts you at your liberty, [01:05:33.140 --> 01:05:37.960] illegally, whilst displaying a deadly weapon, [01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:39.560] that's aggravated kidnapping. [01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:43.360] We didn't make it up. [01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:44.580] We just read the law. [01:05:44.580 --> 01:05:49.580] And if he filled out a government document [01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:52.840] and put on that government document, [01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.040] a statement he knew to be true [01:05:55.040 --> 01:06:00.040] and a material statement of fact he knew to be untrue [01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.780] and intended that it be taken as true, [01:06:03.640 --> 01:06:07.480] that violates 3710 Penal Code, [01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:10.760] tampering with the government document. [01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:15.760] And he claimed authority, which he did not have. [01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:18.880] That violates 3711 Penal Code, [01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:20.420] personating a public official. [01:06:22.460 --> 01:06:23.560] What else can we do, Eddie? [01:06:23.560 --> 01:06:25.360] There's a whole bunch more. [01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:27.160] The abuse of official capacity. [01:06:27.160 --> 01:06:29.000] You get to charge him for the value [01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:31.800] of every piece of governmental equipment he was using [01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.760] to commit the crime in question. [01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:35.960] If the value exceeds $1,500, [01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.420] it becomes a state jail felony. [01:06:38.420 --> 01:06:42.680] You get to go after him for official oppression. [01:06:42.680 --> 01:06:45.720] He's using his governmental authority and power of office [01:06:45.720 --> 01:06:49.340] to deprive you of a constitutionally protected right. [01:06:49.340 --> 01:06:53.100] And you get to press that charge for each right he violated, [01:06:53.100 --> 01:06:56.600] which would be your false imprisonment for loss of liberty, [01:06:56.600 --> 01:06:58.320] your right to free speech, [01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:02.880] to be free from unlawful search and seizure. [01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.080] That's at least three of that charge, [01:07:05.080 --> 01:07:09.640] in particular on one officer. [01:07:09.640 --> 01:07:11.240] Wow. [01:07:11.240 --> 01:07:14.600] Now, the aggravated perjury comes in, once again, [01:07:14.600 --> 01:07:17.560] because of the falsification of the government document. [01:07:17.560 --> 01:07:20.140] So not only has he falsified the document, [01:07:20.140 --> 01:07:21.880] but he's committed aggravated perjury [01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.560] by accusing you of a set of facts that he knew to be false. [01:07:26.560 --> 01:07:31.040] Yes, when he put the statement on the government document [01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:34.000] that he knew was untrue, that was tampering. [01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.000] But when he presented that document to the court under oath, [01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.280] that was a separate crime, aggravated perjury, [01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:43.440] so we get them both. [01:07:45.640 --> 01:07:46.920] Is this fun or what? [01:07:48.720 --> 01:07:50.560] You can see how quickly, [01:07:50.560 --> 01:07:52.240] see, this is exactly what they do [01:07:52.240 --> 01:07:54.360] when they charge us with something. [01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.280] They look at the angles they could approach it from [01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.400] to see just how many they could put on [01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:03.560] in case one of them fails, they've got fallbacks. [01:08:03.560 --> 01:08:05.000] Okay? [01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:06.280] The thing about it is, [01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:08.300] is everything that we're sitting here telling you, [01:08:08.300 --> 01:08:13.300] they have met every single statutory element of the crime [01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:16.160] because we've studied those crimes [01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:18.400] and every single thing they're doing [01:08:18.400 --> 01:08:21.040] meets all of the necessary criteria [01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:23.400] to constitute the commission of that act. [01:08:25.080 --> 01:08:27.360] We're not making them up just to have them, [01:08:27.360 --> 01:08:28.720] they simply did it. [01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:29.560] Right. [01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:33.400] Right. [01:08:39.320 --> 01:08:41.480] Yeah, it's about time we start going back afterwards. [01:08:41.480 --> 01:08:43.920] There will be more available, I guarantee you. [01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:51.000] Why don't you guys give out the URL of the YouTube videos? [01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:52.920] The folks can go on and see what happened. [01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:55.400] Yeah, let me look it up real quick here. [01:08:56.360 --> 01:08:57.200] Make sure you email that. [01:08:57.200 --> 01:08:59.440] You gotta give the title of it. [01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:02.320] Yeah, the title so people could do a search on YouTube. [01:09:02.320 --> 01:09:06.120] Yeah, Nazi police. [01:09:06.120 --> 01:09:11.120] Yeah, Nazi police kill 9-11 truth, truth, free speech. [01:09:11.400 --> 01:09:12.240] Right. [01:09:12.240 --> 01:09:14.160] And it's in four parts, the first part, [01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:20.520] you know, that's where you can see the banner on the floor [01:09:21.080 --> 01:09:23.320] and you can see the sign with the street DVDs [01:09:23.320 --> 01:09:24.800] and you can see him walk up. [01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:28.360] And by the fourth video, he's handing us the tickets [01:09:28.360 --> 01:09:32.080] and we're signing for them and he's data mining us, [01:09:32.080 --> 01:09:33.920] asking us if we have monthly meetings [01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:35.720] and asking us where we work. [01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.400] Were you all answering any of those questions? [01:09:38.400 --> 01:09:39.920] Joseph and Adam were. [01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:41.760] Yeah, some of them, yeah. [01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.040] You don't have to tell him anything. [01:09:44.040 --> 01:09:45.840] Well, I didn't tell him we had monthly meetings. [01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:47.760] I didn't tell him about Facebook or anything like that. [01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.440] I just said, well, obviously, we do meet [01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:53.080] with cell phones, but that's kinda how I answered that one. [01:09:53.080 --> 01:09:55.960] But then he answered other questions and stuff, though. [01:09:57.560 --> 01:09:58.840] Yeah, well, you never have to answer [01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:01.600] any of those people's questions. [01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.800] What he's trying to do, guys, is he's right. [01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:05.360] He's data mining you. [01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:08.400] He is trying to find comments that you can make [01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:11.480] that he is recording on that personal recording device [01:10:11.480 --> 01:10:13.920] that's linked back to home base, [01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:17.320] that he's trying to get you guys to admit to the elements [01:10:17.320 --> 01:10:20.160] of what he needs to make his charges stand. [01:10:20.160 --> 01:10:21.000] That's right. [01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.480] So, we did burn the videos, yeah. [01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:27.280] He's not engaged in conversation with these guys. [01:10:27.280 --> 01:10:29.920] You don't have to answer any of the questions at all. [01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.680] Yeah, and that's what actually the whole incident, [01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.040] he's trying to do, and he's trying really hard. [01:10:35.040 --> 01:10:36.920] You can see in the first few videos. [01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:37.880] The fishing push stuff. [01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:38.720] Yeah. [01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:39.560] Yeah. [01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.480] It was like 33,000 views, the first one on YouTube. [01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.160] Yeah, and then when we went to court to report for our tickets, [01:10:49.160 --> 01:10:51.680] we made a video of that, and... [01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:52.800] That's on there, too. [01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.920] Yeah, the name of that video is to pick it up. [01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.800] They read Nazi police. [01:10:58.800 --> 01:10:59.640] And you know what? [01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.520] When we went to court to report for the tickets, [01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.400] it's funny because as soon as we walk in, [01:11:04.400 --> 01:11:06.120] and I went through the metal detectors, [01:11:06.120 --> 01:11:08.920] one of the officers in there, or the bailiffs, [01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:12.680] whatever you call him, but he's like an officer suit. [01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.160] He asked me for my name, and I told him my name, [01:11:15.160 --> 01:11:18.680] and then he walks away, and my wife heard him get on his radio [01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:22.400] on his shoulder and say, yeah, Matthew and them are here. [01:11:22.400 --> 01:11:24.200] And then after a couple minutes, [01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:28.160] police come and actually started escorting us everywhere. [01:11:28.160 --> 01:11:29.400] We're going around the courthouse, [01:11:29.400 --> 01:11:32.160] and when we get in the courtroom, they're right behind us. [01:11:32.160 --> 01:11:35.960] When we go to the judge's desk, but the judge wasn't there, [01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:36.800] we talked to the clerk. [01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:38.400] I mean, the officer's right behind us, [01:11:38.400 --> 01:11:41.880] and we were literally followed everywhere we went. [01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.240] And they made my wife and Bonita sit in the hallway, [01:11:45.240 --> 01:11:48.240] and that's where they overheard the officers talking [01:11:48.240 --> 01:11:49.920] about, yeah, they're in there. [01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:52.120] These women are here with them. [01:11:52.120 --> 01:11:54.920] And so we had that kind of tension on us. [01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:56.040] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. [01:11:56.040 --> 01:11:59.000] They wouldn't let your wife and other people [01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.560] into the courtroom? [01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.600] Yeah, and Bonita brought that up to the officers. [01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:04.680] She said, yeah, we do. [01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:05.920] We have that right. [01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:09.320] And they were denied that, and that's what happened. [01:12:09.320 --> 01:12:10.040] And she went up. [01:12:10.040 --> 01:12:11.840] There's another set of criminal charges now. [01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.000] Yeah, yeah, that's totally illegal. [01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:16.520] They can't. [01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:18.680] I mean, that's what we dealt with just to go [01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:19.600] and plead not guilty. [01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:25.040] So when we go back to the actual court date, [01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:26.680] all eyes are going to be on us, and they're [01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:28.520] going to be trying to pull some shady stuff. [01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.480] Well, yeah, I think definitely some criminal charges [01:12:31.480 --> 01:12:34.800] need to be filed for restricting access to public building, [01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.560] restricting access to the court beforehand so that they [01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:39.080] don't try to pull that again. [01:12:39.080 --> 01:12:42.800] Well, that's also a constitutional violation charge [01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:47.800] because all courts are to be public, [01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:51.680] and so they cannot deny the public access to that court. [01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:56.520] And what is this corresponding statute, do you know? [01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.920] Article 1.24, Code of Criminal Procedure. [01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:06.760] It says all courts shall be public. [01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:08.560] That's not hard to understand. [01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:12.240] OK, so anyone who denies access to the public court, [01:13:12.240 --> 01:13:16.360] is that a felony, or what kind of an offense is that? [01:13:16.360 --> 01:13:18.400] It's an act of official oppression, class A [01:13:18.400 --> 01:13:23.400] misdemeanor, 39.03 penal code. [01:13:23.400 --> 01:13:25.040] Unless you had the cost of the building [01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:26.840] where he committed the act, and then it's [01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:28.680] a first degree felony. [01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.760] OK, so you guys need to know that when y'all go in again [01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.800] and all the people that go with you bring in court watchers. [01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:38.400] If they try to deny, then let them [01:13:38.400 --> 01:13:41.280] know that criminal charges are going to be filed. [01:13:41.280 --> 01:13:44.640] Well, hopefully, on that date, a large number [01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.120] of the We Are Changed crew will be there on that court date. [01:13:47.120 --> 01:13:49.520] And it won't just be those three. [01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.320] People will be there, too, hopefully. [01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.880] But tell them, hey, it's illegal what you're doing, right? [01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:02.080] I'm sorry, say that again? [01:14:02.080 --> 01:14:04.400] Well, just tell them it's illegal what they're doing, [01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:06.240] if they tell them that they can't come in court. [01:14:06.240 --> 01:14:10.920] Well, you can cite the Code of Criminal Procedure. [01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.560] Article 1.204, is that what you said, Randy? [01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:17.320] 1.24. [01:14:17.320 --> 01:14:24.800] 1.24. [01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.200] Incredible. [01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:28.120] And in Williamson County, they take it [01:14:28.120 --> 01:14:29.560] as far as to have a sign. [01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:34.080] They have a sign in the hallway, of all things. [01:14:34.080 --> 01:14:35.960] People can't bring friends and family in. [01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:38.560] I mean, this is how outrageous the situation has gotten. [01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.000] Can't put up with it anymore. [01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.280] Just cannot put up with it anymore. [01:14:42.280 --> 01:14:45.080] Oh, yes, speaking of which, to all our listeners out there [01:14:45.080 --> 01:14:48.560] that are around Williamson County, if you will, please, [01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:54.360] get pictures of that sign, if at all possible, and everything. [01:14:54.360 --> 01:14:56.080] Because in this second thing that I'm [01:14:56.080 --> 01:14:58.960] writing to go and address the legislature with, [01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:02.160] I want that information in this material when it's presented. [01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.840] What city is Williamson County? [01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.960] Well, that's a combination of Round Rock, Pflugerville, [01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:14.440] Georgetown, Williamson County, notoriously [01:15:14.440 --> 01:15:17.080] the most corrupt county in the state of Texas, [01:15:17.080 --> 01:15:19.640] maybe in the entire country. [01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:20.880] Wow. [01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:21.440] Yeah. [01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:24.360] Everybody knows about Wilco from the East Coast [01:15:24.360 --> 01:15:26.680] to the West Coast, that's for sure. [01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:28.240] I mean, there's corruption everywhere, [01:15:28.240 --> 01:15:31.760] but it's about as bad as it gets up there. [01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.600] And it stems from the Sheriff's Department, [01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:37.800] so it is really bad. [01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.960] My friend Jeff Davis has been documenting [01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.240] the corruption in Williamson County for over 20 years. [01:15:44.240 --> 01:15:46.160] He's got thousands of testimonials. [01:15:46.160 --> 01:15:50.480] He's got hundreds of hours of video footage of victims. [01:15:50.480 --> 01:15:53.360] It's incredible. [01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:55.240] All right, guys, any closing comments? [01:15:55.240 --> 01:15:58.760] Have we about answered all your questions so far tonight? [01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:00.960] Yeah, I believe so. [01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.760] Yeah, I believe so. [01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:05.520] Joseph pretty much asked all the same questions that I had. [01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.000] All right, very good. [01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.640] And we appreciate this, Jeff. [01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:11.360] Oh, of course. [01:16:11.360 --> 01:16:12.280] Oh, that's for sure. [01:16:12.280 --> 01:16:13.640] Of course. [01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.160] Guys are our family. [01:16:15.160 --> 01:16:19.920] Yeah, now, the dates between 8 AM and 8 AM's one case, [01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.440] I think mine's at 9, and Matthew's yours at 10? [01:16:22.440 --> 01:16:23.840] Yeah, mine's at 10. [01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:25.400] So I'm not going to put it between 8, 10. [01:16:25.400 --> 01:16:26.840] Anyone that comes here to support me, [01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:28.360] that would be good, you know. [01:16:28.360 --> 01:16:30.880] Absolutely. [01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:31.680] Absolutely. [01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:33.960] Anybody in the San Antonio region? [01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.080] And this would be July 7. [01:16:36.080 --> 01:16:37.880] And what courthouse? [01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:39.440] The Frio Street, not Frio Street, [01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:41.720] it's called the Municipal Court. [01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:44.120] In the last video that Matthew mentioned, [01:16:44.120 --> 01:16:46.280] we have a photo shot of it there, [01:16:46.280 --> 01:16:48.280] but it's on the Frio Street there. [01:16:48.280 --> 01:16:49.040] OK. [01:16:49.040 --> 01:16:51.000] Downtown UTSA campus. [01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.440] All right, give out your website real quick, Matt. [01:16:53.440 --> 01:16:54.960] San Antonio Truth.org. [01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:56.280] San Antonio Truth.org. [01:16:56.280 --> 01:16:57.040] We'll be right back. [01:16:57.040 --> 01:17:04.600] Capital Coin and Bullion is your local source [01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.400] for rare coins, precious metals, and coin supplies [01:17:07.400 --> 01:17:09.320] in the Austin metro area. [01:17:09.320 --> 01:17:11.360] We also ship worldwide. 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[01:19:43.440 --> 01:19:48.440] That was Joseph Lopez and Matt Medina from We Are Change San [01:19:48.440 --> 01:19:51.440] Antonio, very good friends of ours. [01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:54.440] And now we are taking your calls for the rest of the show, [01:19:54.440 --> 01:19:56.440] 512-646-1984. [01:19:56.440 --> 01:20:01.440] And tomorrow night we will have Bruno Bruyler from We Are Change [01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:02.440] LA. [01:20:02.440 --> 01:20:07.440] Boy, did he have an incredible experience in the courthouse [01:20:07.440 --> 01:20:10.440] over in Los Angeles a few weeks ago as a court watcher. [01:20:10.440 --> 01:20:13.440] We'll be hearing all about that tomorrow night. [01:20:13.440 --> 01:20:17.440] So We Are Change extravaganza week here on Rule of Law Radio. [01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:19.440] In the meantime, we're taking your calls. [01:20:19.440 --> 01:20:22.440] We're going to go to Gayle in Minnesota. [01:20:22.440 --> 01:20:23.440] Gayle, thanks for calling in. [01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:25.440] What's on your mind tonight? [01:20:25.440 --> 01:20:26.440] Hey, hi. [01:20:26.440 --> 01:20:28.440] Thanks for taking my call. [01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:35.440] I am in the middle of trying to deflect the trial that they have [01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:37.440] scheduled for the 29th. [01:20:37.440 --> 01:20:40.440] I've done a recusal to the judge. [01:20:40.440 --> 01:20:47.440] I've got papers from Randy for removal to federal from the [01:20:47.440 --> 01:20:49.440] district court. [01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:54.440] But everything I've read seems to say that only the defendant can [01:20:54.440 --> 01:20:55.440] do a removal. [01:20:55.440 --> 01:20:57.440] And I'm the plaintiff. [01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:01.440] So I'm wondering what I can do with this. [01:21:01.440 --> 01:21:06.440] I just need to get out from under this trial because it's going to be [01:21:06.440 --> 01:21:07.440] a hanging. [01:21:07.440 --> 01:21:13.440] It's a kangaroo court. [01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:15.440] That's correct. [01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:19.440] I was, when I sent that to you, I wasn't thinking you were the [01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:20.440] plaintiff. [01:21:20.440 --> 01:21:22.440] You were the original plaintiff. [01:21:22.440 --> 01:21:23.440] Yeah. [01:21:23.440 --> 01:21:24.440] So you picked a venue. [01:21:24.440 --> 01:21:31.440] But now you're making federal accusations. [01:21:31.440 --> 01:21:33.440] So should she file in federal court then? [01:21:33.440 --> 01:21:36.440] That's what I'm thinking, how best to handle this. [01:21:36.440 --> 01:21:44.440] Since she filed in, since it is a family court issue, she may not be [01:21:44.440 --> 01:21:46.440] able to move it to the federal court. [01:21:46.440 --> 01:21:56.440] Unless there's some causes of action at the federal level of alleged [01:21:56.440 --> 01:21:57.440] crimes. [01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:02.440] Yeah, the crimes she can initiate in the federal court, but she can't [01:22:02.440 --> 01:22:04.440] move the family issue to the federal court. [01:22:04.440 --> 01:22:08.440] No, but she could have a separate lawsuit in the federal court that's [01:22:08.440 --> 01:22:10.440] like a civil suit. [01:22:10.440 --> 01:22:15.440] And if she filed a civil suit with accusations against the judge, then [01:22:15.440 --> 01:22:19.440] you could come back and disqualify the judge. [01:22:19.440 --> 01:22:22.440] This is what I've done right now. [01:22:22.440 --> 01:22:26.440] So today I wrote a criminal complaint against the judge. [01:22:26.440 --> 01:22:33.440] And I'm ready to, I wanted to ask you, I am ready to fax that over and [01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:37.440] mail it to the judicial conduct, but we know they don't do anything. [01:22:37.440 --> 01:22:42.440] But then in the Minnesota Constitution, it says that the legislature is [01:22:42.440 --> 01:22:46.440] supposed to have oversight to be able to impeach or remove judges. [01:22:46.440 --> 01:22:51.440] So I thought if I cede the judicial oversight office of the legislative [01:22:51.440 --> 01:22:56.440] branch, I don't know if that will even do anything, but if I have an [01:22:56.440 --> 01:22:59.440] actual criminal complaint, will that stop this judge? [01:22:59.440 --> 01:23:00.440] No. [01:23:00.440 --> 01:23:05.440] You're talking about the legislature that said that judges don't have to [01:23:05.440 --> 01:23:08.440] pay any attention to legislation. [01:23:08.440 --> 01:23:11.440] Yeah, true. [01:23:11.440 --> 01:23:15.440] Minnesota is about as corrupt as it gets. [01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:16.440] Yep. [01:23:16.440 --> 01:23:20.440] My only choices are the legislator or the attorney general who has already [01:23:20.440 --> 01:23:24.440] discussed me and told me that they don't deal with anything unless it [01:23:24.440 --> 01:23:32.440] affects the populace at large. [01:23:32.440 --> 01:23:36.440] Well, a corrupt court would do that, but still. [01:23:36.440 --> 01:23:43.440] There's got to be something to get these gears, the teeth stopped. [01:23:43.440 --> 01:23:47.440] I mean, I am just, I don't know what else to do. [01:23:47.440 --> 01:23:52.440] And the recusal, which he should have to recuse because he has broken all [01:23:52.440 --> 01:23:53.440] kinds of laws. [01:23:53.440 --> 01:23:57.440] I've done change of venue because I'm out of the district, I'm out of that [01:23:57.440 --> 01:24:02.440] county, but he's acting like he's not even getting my mailings. [01:24:02.440 --> 01:24:07.440] Now I've written up the criminal complaint and I read the stuff on removal, [01:24:07.440 --> 01:24:10.440] but I can't remove because I'm the plaintiff. [01:24:10.440 --> 01:24:17.440] I even wondered if I should just withdraw my legal separation so that I'm [01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:20.440] no longer plaintiff, but I think I'd still be held as plaintiff because of [01:24:20.440 --> 01:24:25.440] his cross complaint. [01:24:25.440 --> 01:24:32.440] Yes, I think you would still be stopped in the venue because anyway you have [01:24:32.440 --> 01:24:38.440] 30 days, even if you're defendant, you only have 30 days to remove. [01:24:38.440 --> 01:24:42.440] I was brain dead when I talked to you and sent that to you. [01:24:42.440 --> 01:24:47.440] I may have wasted a lot of your time. [01:24:47.440 --> 01:24:51.440] Removal is not an option, I suspect. [01:24:51.440 --> 01:24:54.440] Yeah, I think only defendant can remove. [01:24:54.440 --> 01:24:56.440] Yeah. [01:24:56.440 --> 01:25:02.440] Well, Gail, have you considered trying to get an advocacy group on your side [01:25:02.440 --> 01:25:07.440] to apply some sort of political activist pressure to this situation? [01:25:07.440 --> 01:25:11.440] You know, like a mother's rights association or something like that? [01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:15.440] Because I mean it's pretty obvious here that what's going on is that you got [01:25:15.440 --> 01:25:21.440] your corrupt ex who's paying off the judge with big bucks and you don't have [01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:28.440] big bucks and the whole system is so corrupt and so if there's no way to get [01:25:28.440 --> 01:25:33.440] this into the federal court system, you may want to consider figuring out a way [01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:38.440] to apply some political pressure to the situation through an advocacy group [01:25:38.440 --> 01:25:41.440] or even like the ACLU or something. [01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:50.440] I can try but this is pretty, I mean we're talking Tuesday and it's Thursday night. [01:25:50.440 --> 01:25:52.440] Sorry. [01:25:52.440 --> 01:25:57.440] And I mean it's just like I really believed he would have to recuse because he [01:25:57.440 --> 01:26:03.440] has violated law, I cited criminal, I mean I cited judicial code and everything [01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:08.440] else he's violated and he just acted like I was not even a mat on the back of a [01:26:08.440 --> 01:26:13.440] buffalo. [01:26:13.440 --> 01:26:16.440] Yeah, but this is going to hurt him. [01:26:16.440 --> 01:26:20.440] They're always going to act that way especially when you're getting to them. [01:26:20.440 --> 01:26:25.440] The last thing they want you to know is what you're doing is working. [01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:31.440] The problem is if they roll that trial on Tuesday, I have no witnesses, I have [01:26:31.440 --> 01:26:37.440] no exhibit list because I was told he would absolutely, undoubtedly have to [01:26:37.440 --> 01:26:38.440] recuse. [01:26:38.440 --> 01:26:43.440] Now I'm out hanging in midair, I'm the plaintiff, I have no witnesses, I have [01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:45.440] no exhibit list. [01:26:45.440 --> 01:26:49.440] The man is not recusing and I'm thinking what an idiot, why did I expect he [01:26:49.440 --> 01:26:50.440] has to recuse? [01:26:50.440 --> 01:26:55.440] I don't understand, Randy, why did she, Gail, why did you file a motion to [01:26:55.440 --> 01:27:00.440] recuse instead of a motion to disqualify? [01:27:00.440 --> 01:27:06.440] Because disqualification is very specific. [01:27:06.440 --> 01:27:11.440] She doesn't have enough specific reasons for disqualification? [01:27:11.440 --> 01:27:18.440] No, to disqualify, disqualification is generally constitutional and it's very [01:27:18.440 --> 01:27:21.440] specific on what you can disqualify for. [01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:28.440] He has to have an interest, the fact that he is not a fair judge is not grounds [01:27:28.440 --> 01:27:30.440] for disqualification. [01:27:30.440 --> 01:27:33.440] What are the grounds for recusal? [01:27:33.440 --> 01:27:36.440] Impartial. [01:27:36.440 --> 01:27:39.440] He can make a determination on recusal. [01:27:39.440 --> 01:27:42.440] How is he impartial? [01:27:42.440 --> 01:27:47.440] It took me five filings of contempt of court before he'd even hear my filing [01:27:47.440 --> 01:27:54.440] and then even though my husband was $65,000 behind me by choice, by intent, the [01:27:54.440 --> 01:27:57.440] judge determined that he was not in contempt of court. [01:27:57.440 --> 01:27:59.440] That's just one example. [01:27:59.440 --> 01:28:03.440] Then the judge, how about this, the judge took our marital home even though the [01:28:03.440 --> 01:28:08.440] children and I had to move out because of the stachybactis mold that my husband [01:28:08.440 --> 01:28:14.440] left us in and he was the premier mold and mildew restorer in the state. [01:28:14.440 --> 01:28:17.440] He's the one that was educated and knew how deadly it was. [01:28:17.440 --> 01:28:18.440] I didn't know. [01:28:18.440 --> 01:28:21.440] We had to move out because of the toxicity. [01:28:21.440 --> 01:28:28.440] I expect the judge would make him pay for rehabilitating it, for treating it. [01:28:28.440 --> 01:28:29.440] The judge didn't. [01:28:29.440 --> 01:28:33.440] The judge didn't even make him make up the difference in my spousal maintenance. [01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:35.440] What did the judge do over my objections? [01:28:35.440 --> 01:28:41.440] He took that property, gave it to my husband to sell, quote, without the [01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:44.440] consent or cooperation of the plaintiff. [01:28:44.440 --> 01:28:46.440] I'm on deed. [01:28:46.440 --> 01:28:47.440] Excuse me, I'm on deed. [01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:50.440] He can't do that, but he did and he ordered it. [01:28:50.440 --> 01:28:55.440] Then he went a step farther and he ordered that my husband no longer had to [01:28:55.440 --> 01:28:56.440] pay the mortgage. [01:28:56.440 --> 01:28:58.440] That's a private contract. [01:28:58.440 --> 01:28:59.440] The judge has no idea. [01:28:59.440 --> 01:29:02.440] Well, yeah, that's typical, Gayle, in family court. [01:29:02.440 --> 01:29:08.440] The judges will do things like they'll award the credit card debt to one person [01:29:08.440 --> 01:29:12.440] and then they'll award the mortgage to the other person and all these sorts of [01:29:12.440 --> 01:29:15.440] things, but that's just an order for a gentlemanly agreement. [01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:19.440] They can't actually order those things because, like you said, it's still a [01:29:19.440 --> 01:29:25.440] private contract between the lender and the landee, the lender and the borrower. [01:29:25.440 --> 01:29:29.440] It's still a private contract between whoever took out the credit card. [01:29:29.440 --> 01:29:33.440] That really has no force and effect in law. [01:29:33.440 --> 01:29:40.440] That's just the judge saying here's how this needs to be handled, but there's [01:29:40.440 --> 01:29:42.440] nothing really in law that can force that. [01:29:42.440 --> 01:29:43.440] Wait a minute. [01:29:43.440 --> 01:29:46.440] It's going to seem like it has force and effect when her husband sells her out. [01:29:46.440 --> 01:29:50.440] Okay, well then she has grounds to file a civil suit against him because she's [01:29:50.440 --> 01:29:52.440] on the deed. [01:29:52.440 --> 01:30:00.440] Those family court rulings won't hold up against the deed. [01:30:00.440 --> 01:30:04.440] It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the internet [01:30:04.440 --> 01:30:09.440] isn't so easy and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with. [01:30:09.440 --> 01:30:11.440] Oh, well I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then. [01:30:11.440 --> 01:30:13.440] Brave New Books? [01:30:13.440 --> 01:30:17.440] Yes, Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors [01:30:17.440 --> 01:30:20.440] like Alex Jones, Ron Paul and G. Edward Griffin. 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[01:32:16.440 --> 01:32:20.440] He's selling the property on the break, and as far as, you know, [01:32:20.440 --> 01:32:23.440] your husband's selling the property when you're on the deed, [01:32:23.440 --> 01:32:28.440] obviously he cannot do that even if the judge allegedly so-called orders it. [01:32:28.440 --> 01:32:33.440] I mean, all these kinds of orders that come down from family court judges [01:32:33.440 --> 01:32:36.440] are really just, they're bogus. [01:32:36.440 --> 01:32:39.440] It's just like, okay, here's how we're going to divvy things up, [01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:42.440] and it basically boils down to a gentleman's agreement, [01:32:42.440 --> 01:32:45.440] because if somebody signs a mortgage, [01:32:45.440 --> 01:32:49.440] they're the ones to pay the borrower, and whoever owes the credit card debt, [01:32:49.440 --> 01:32:52.440] they're the ones that sign the contract with the credit card company, [01:32:52.440 --> 01:32:54.440] even if the judge switches it all around. [01:32:54.440 --> 01:32:59.440] It's mainly just a gentleman's agreement as to how things get divvied up, [01:32:59.440 --> 01:33:06.440] but when push comes to shove, if your ex sells the property against your consents [01:33:06.440 --> 01:33:10.440] when you're on the deed, that is a crime, okay? [01:33:10.440 --> 01:33:12.440] And criminal charges can be pressed on that, [01:33:12.440 --> 01:33:19.440] and even whoever would buy would be in danger of committing a crime as well. [01:33:19.440 --> 01:33:22.440] I mean, I'll tell you what, if I was buying a house, [01:33:22.440 --> 01:33:27.440] I would want to see the signature of both or whoever was on the deed, [01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:31.440] and if I didn't see the signature relinquishing the property [01:33:31.440 --> 01:33:34.440] of everyone who's on the deed, I wouldn't buy the house, [01:33:34.440 --> 01:33:39.440] so I have a feeling that they're going to have a hard time selling that house anyway [01:33:39.440 --> 01:33:40.440] without your consent. [01:33:40.440 --> 01:33:45.440] I think they would have a hard time finding a real estate broker to broker that deal, [01:33:45.440 --> 01:33:49.440] because even the real estate agent could lose a license over such a thing. [01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:51.440] I just don't see that happening, [01:33:51.440 --> 01:33:55.440] because now you're getting people in the private sector involved in this, [01:33:55.440 --> 01:33:59.440] and they're going to, like I said, even a real estate broker is going to know, [01:33:59.440 --> 01:34:03.440] this is trouble if she's not willing to sign off on the deed, okay? [01:34:03.440 --> 01:34:08.440] And we're also on the break talking about how to make this federal, [01:34:08.440 --> 01:34:14.440] and Eddie, you had some ideas about that. [01:34:14.440 --> 01:34:17.440] Eddie? [01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:18.440] Yeah, I'm here. [01:34:18.440 --> 01:34:21.440] You can file a criminal complaint with the Department of Justice [01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:24.440] for official misconduct. [01:34:24.440 --> 01:34:29.440] Normally they investigate police officers for use of excessive force violations [01:34:29.440 --> 01:34:31.440] and corruption and things of that nature, [01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:35.440] but that's what you're dealing with here is just a judicial official [01:34:35.440 --> 01:34:37.440] instead of a police officer. [01:34:37.440 --> 01:34:41.440] Violation of state and federal law is a violation of state and federal law, [01:34:41.440 --> 01:34:43.440] any way you slice it. [01:34:43.440 --> 01:34:50.440] And let's see, Title 18, 242, and 243 are also areas that you can press [01:34:50.440 --> 01:34:55.440] criminal charges under with the Department of Justice against this judge. [01:34:55.440 --> 01:35:01.440] So there is a route you can take to go after this guy and get him disqualified, [01:35:01.440 --> 01:35:07.440] because you filed these criminal cases against him at the federal level, [01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:08.440] or criminal charges rather. [01:35:08.440 --> 01:35:10.440] And I just filed with the Department of Justice? [01:35:10.440 --> 01:35:11.440] That's right. [01:35:11.440 --> 01:35:13.440] They have an online form. [01:35:13.440 --> 01:35:20.440] Just do a search for Department of Justice and official misconduct, [01:35:20.440 --> 01:35:25.440] and just put Department of Justice in double quotes plus official misconduct [01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:30.440] in double quotes, and it will take you right to the Justice Department website [01:35:30.440 --> 01:35:34.440] where you can get the information on who to contact and how. [01:35:34.440 --> 01:35:37.440] Okay, because I will tell you, when the judge ordered that, [01:35:37.440 --> 01:35:39.440] my husband has now gone in. [01:35:39.440 --> 01:35:43.440] The kids and I had to leave everything we owned in that house. [01:35:43.440 --> 01:35:45.440] I pled with the judge. [01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:49.440] The judge never made my husband pay us the spousal maintenance [01:35:49.440 --> 01:35:51.440] and child support he was supposed to. [01:35:51.440 --> 01:35:54.440] I did not have the money to go in and get our stuff treated [01:35:54.440 --> 01:35:58.440] or the money to pull it out and store it or pay someone to move it. [01:35:58.440 --> 01:36:02.440] The judge let my husband go in there, destroy evidence [01:36:02.440 --> 01:36:06.440] because I had evidence of my husband's crimes in there, destroy the evidence, [01:36:06.440 --> 01:36:12.440] take, steal, give away, sell everything we own. [01:36:12.440 --> 01:36:14.440] Plus, we have been evicted. [01:36:14.440 --> 01:36:18.440] The kids and I are homeless now, although my son is now living with his dad, [01:36:18.440 --> 01:36:20.440] and I do not want to start crying. [01:36:20.440 --> 01:36:22.440] The only thing really important to me are my children, [01:36:22.440 --> 01:36:25.440] and the last place my son should be is with his father [01:36:25.440 --> 01:36:28.440] because his father is a sociopath. [01:36:28.440 --> 01:36:33.440] We do not have a home of our own, and I am fighting this stuff. [01:36:33.440 --> 01:36:36.440] I'm already in the state court of appeals. [01:36:36.440 --> 01:36:37.440] I'm in the district court. [01:36:37.440 --> 01:36:39.440] I do not know what I'm doing. [01:36:39.440 --> 01:36:42.440] I am just trying to do the best I can. [01:36:42.440 --> 01:36:47.440] This judge is trying to bury me alive, and even in this criminal complaint I just wrote, [01:36:47.440 --> 01:36:51.440] I cited probably at least four or five, three or four of the canons [01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:55.440] and at least two or three different sections of Canon 3, [01:36:55.440 --> 01:37:00.440] the last one being Canon 3D says disqualification. [01:37:00.440 --> 01:37:06.440] A judge shall absolutely disqualify himself or herself in the proceeding [01:37:06.440 --> 01:37:12.440] in which the judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned. [01:37:12.440 --> 01:37:17.440] I mean, what more do you say? [01:37:17.440 --> 01:37:22.440] Well, in the case of this judge, he doesn't want to say. [01:37:22.440 --> 01:37:23.440] This is Minnesota. [01:37:23.440 --> 01:37:29.440] We don't have an easy fix, and worse, it's family court. [01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:33.440] Yeah, I think that's why Eddie was suggesting this federal route. [01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:34.440] Well, you know what? [01:37:34.440 --> 01:37:40.440] I'm going to slam this criminal complaint that I'm just having right here in front of me. [01:37:40.440 --> 01:37:41.440] It's like two and a half pages. [01:37:41.440 --> 01:37:43.440] I'm going to send it over there. [01:37:43.440 --> 01:37:50.440] I'm going to email it over there tonight and as well as send it to the judicial conduct place, [01:37:50.440 --> 01:37:52.440] and I'm going to see it. [01:37:52.440 --> 01:37:54.440] I don't know what else to do. [01:37:54.440 --> 01:37:58.440] I need the Lord to intervene mightily here because if I go there, [01:37:58.440 --> 01:38:04.440] he's got four pages of witnesses, he has 214 exhibit lists. [01:38:04.440 --> 01:38:10.440] He's trying to retry the whole custody, which this was supposedly bifurcated. [01:38:10.440 --> 01:38:13.440] The custody was supposedly already finished. [01:38:13.440 --> 01:38:15.440] He's dragging it back in. [01:38:15.440 --> 01:38:18.440] I know he's doing it because this judge is eating out of his hand, [01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:27.440] and if there's not a way to get this to stop before Tuesday, I am dead in the water. [01:38:27.440 --> 01:38:30.440] I do not stand the chance of a hoot in a hailstorm, and I am not a quitter, [01:38:30.440 --> 01:38:42.440] and I am a never-stay-die person, but I'll tell you, this is the hardest it's got. [01:38:42.440 --> 01:38:46.440] Wish I had an easy answer, darn it. [01:38:46.440 --> 01:38:51.440] My mom would say wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fell quicker. [01:38:51.440 --> 01:39:00.440] Mrs., you have been one of the callers that has terrified me more than any other [01:39:00.440 --> 01:39:05.440] because of the seriousness of the situation they put you in, [01:39:05.440 --> 01:39:12.440] and I'm almost afraid to tell you anything because the situation is so serious, [01:39:12.440 --> 01:39:20.440] and clearly Minnesota has to be the most corrupt state in the union. [01:39:20.440 --> 01:39:24.440] If you can find a family court in any state that's not corrupt beyond description, [01:39:24.440 --> 01:39:33.440] then you've discovered a diamond in the rough because I don't believe there is one. [01:39:33.440 --> 01:39:37.440] Well, I can't tell you how thankful I am for you guys. [01:39:37.440 --> 01:39:39.440] I mean, here I am floundering. [01:39:39.440 --> 01:39:43.440] I got told it was an absolute hands-down unequivocal miracle [01:39:43.440 --> 01:39:47.440] that I ever made it into state court of appeals because I do not know what I'm doing. [01:39:47.440 --> 01:39:51.440] So, I mean, just that alone is pretty phenomenal, [01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:59.440] but I am so thankful for the faithfulness that each of you put forward in what you do [01:39:59.440 --> 01:40:03.440] and the steadfastness and just the value of the tenor of what you present. [01:40:03.440 --> 01:40:05.440] I cannot thank you enough. [01:40:05.440 --> 01:40:10.440] I mean, I would have been dead long, long, three and a half years ago [01:40:10.440 --> 01:40:15.440] were it not for how much I listen to you guys and how much you have helped me. [01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:20.440] So thank you from the very depths of my heart. [01:40:20.440 --> 01:40:27.440] I just wish I had some magic pill to make this go away. [01:40:27.440 --> 01:40:32.440] I can think of something to hold six magic pills. [01:40:32.440 --> 01:40:36.440] But I'm not going to say that very loud. [01:40:36.440 --> 01:40:40.440] I wish there was some good old vigilante justice here that's all. [01:40:40.440 --> 01:40:44.440] Well, you are in the appeals court. [01:40:44.440 --> 01:40:48.440] So this may not be over yet. [01:40:48.440 --> 01:40:50.440] Yeah. [01:40:50.440 --> 01:40:57.440] The last thing I want is for this horrible person to have effect on my children. [01:40:57.440 --> 01:41:03.440] I mean, my son has already been, the psychologist already said that he is revealing, [01:41:03.440 --> 01:41:07.440] he's starting to exhibit sociopath tendencies because of the time with his dad. [01:41:07.440 --> 01:41:11.440] She recommended that it was reduced to six days a month and no more, [01:41:11.440 --> 01:41:13.440] and the judge gave him 50-50. [01:41:13.440 --> 01:41:19.440] It's just unbelievable what money will buy. [01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:24.440] Have you tried calling the Child Protective Services on this situation? [01:41:24.440 --> 01:41:26.440] There's a child protective report. [01:41:26.440 --> 01:41:30.440] Okay, so there already is a report from Child Protective Services. [01:41:30.440 --> 01:41:33.440] The judge wouldn't let it in. [01:41:33.440 --> 01:41:35.440] Well, I'm just wondering while Child Protective Services [01:41:35.440 --> 01:41:37.440] isn't doing something about this on their own, [01:41:37.440 --> 01:41:39.440] they're an agency with enforcement capacity. [01:41:39.440 --> 01:41:41.440] I mean, they could just go take the kids. [01:41:41.440 --> 01:41:45.440] They don't seem to have a problem with taking other people's kids for no reason. [01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:48.440] Amen. [01:41:48.440 --> 01:41:55.440] Okay, well, I don't want to hold you up from other callers. [01:41:55.440 --> 01:41:57.440] If you think of anything, let me know. [01:41:57.440 --> 01:42:01.440] Meanwhile, I will be sending this out to the Department of Justice [01:42:01.440 --> 01:42:10.440] and the Judicial Review Board here and the legislature. [01:42:10.440 --> 01:42:14.440] Yeah, getting a legislator on your side is going to help a lot. [01:42:14.440 --> 01:42:18.440] Yeah, now what you may want to do is when you fill out the information [01:42:18.440 --> 01:42:21.440] on the Justice Department paperwork, [01:42:21.440 --> 01:42:28.440] I would then send my copy to the Judicial Conduct Committee in Minnesota [01:42:28.440 --> 01:42:32.440] with that attached. [01:42:32.440 --> 01:42:36.440] Okay, so instead of just sending this there, [01:42:36.440 --> 01:42:42.440] fill this out on their paperwork, copy it, and then send it to the Judicial Review. [01:42:42.440 --> 01:42:44.440] That is correct. [01:42:44.440 --> 01:42:45.440] Okay. [01:42:45.440 --> 01:42:50.440] Let them know this is serious, serious enough for you to take it to the Fed. [01:42:50.440 --> 01:42:55.440] Okay. [01:42:55.440 --> 01:42:56.440] You know what? [01:42:56.440 --> 01:43:00.440] And this is a time of political turmoil. [01:43:00.440 --> 01:43:06.440] All of your members of the House of Representatives are all up for re-election [01:43:06.440 --> 01:43:08.440] with a 12% approval rating. [01:43:08.440 --> 01:43:14.440] It might be time to go there to see if you can get some influence for remedy here. [01:43:14.440 --> 01:43:20.440] You may, you have a legislator that's probably looking for a way [01:43:20.440 --> 01:43:23.440] to gain some favor with his constituents. [01:43:23.440 --> 01:43:26.440] Especially when you have a CPS report. [01:43:26.440 --> 01:43:28.440] Yep. [01:43:28.440 --> 01:43:32.440] Oh, I should tell you, you will get a good chuckle. [01:43:32.440 --> 01:43:34.440] I am actually on the ballot. [01:43:34.440 --> 01:43:38.440] I was asked to be on the ballot as Lieutenant Governor. [01:43:38.440 --> 01:43:39.440] All right. [01:43:39.440 --> 01:43:40.440] Good for you, Gail. [01:43:40.440 --> 01:43:42.440] Oh, wonderful. 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[01:45:46.440 --> 01:45:50.440] They cited me with a Class C misdemeanor. [01:45:50.440 --> 01:45:58.440] It's a statute for Boston Ordinance 13-1-83, [01:45:58.440 --> 01:46:09.440] but it has to do with finding contraband and circumventing screening, things of that nature. [01:46:09.440 --> 01:46:11.440] Where did you get the bottle of water? [01:46:11.440 --> 01:46:17.440] I bought it at Dollar Store in Austin. [01:46:17.440 --> 01:46:21.440] And you took it through the airport, who checked your bags and allowed you in with it? [01:46:21.440 --> 01:46:25.440] Well, I threw it in with my luggage bag. [01:46:25.440 --> 01:46:31.440] I was on my way for an interview and I grabbed some things at the Dollar Store, [01:46:31.440 --> 01:46:34.440] something to eat, and I grabbed a bottle of water. [01:46:34.440 --> 01:46:39.440] And in the morning, at a very early flight, I just kind of threw everything in the bag, [01:46:39.440 --> 01:46:43.440] bottle of water, some candy and stuff like that. [01:46:43.440 --> 01:46:45.440] This was in your carry-on bag, right? [01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:47.440] This was my carry-on bag. [01:46:47.440 --> 01:46:48.440] And so when they – [01:46:48.440 --> 01:46:50.440] I'm sorry. Go ahead, Deborah. [01:46:50.440 --> 01:46:57.440] Okay. I was just going to say, so when security found the bottle of water, what happened? [01:46:57.440 --> 01:47:02.440] Well, I passed through the metal detector. [01:47:02.440 --> 01:47:07.440] My bag was being passed through X-ray, and then a woman at the top of her lungs was screaming, [01:47:07.440 --> 01:47:09.440] do you have a water bottle in your bag? [01:47:09.440 --> 01:47:10.440] Do you have a water bottle in your bag? [01:47:10.440 --> 01:47:11.440] Do you have a water bottle in your bag? [01:47:11.440 --> 01:47:13.440] At least three times. [01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:16.440] And she got to me and then she's like, where's the water bottle? [01:47:16.440 --> 01:47:18.440] It's in your bag. [01:47:18.440 --> 01:47:21.440] I don't know. It's in there. [01:47:21.440 --> 01:47:28.440] She started rummaging through my luggage kind of in a way that I thought she was going to damage the bag. [01:47:28.440 --> 01:47:32.440] And she found the water bottle and said, you can't bring water to TSA. [01:47:32.440 --> 01:47:34.440] Do you want to keep the water or you have to exit TSA? [01:47:34.440 --> 01:47:36.440] Do you want to keep the water? [01:47:36.440 --> 01:47:38.440] And I said, no, take the water bottle. [01:47:38.440 --> 01:47:39.440] Take the water. [01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:44.440] And she kept repeating herself over and over again about three or four times. [01:47:44.440 --> 01:47:49.440] And so finally she gave me my luggage and allowed me to go. [01:47:49.440 --> 01:47:50.440] She took the water bottle. [01:47:50.440 --> 01:47:51.440] She went one way. [01:47:51.440 --> 01:47:56.440] And this is probably, you know, this is my mistake. [01:47:56.440 --> 01:47:59.440] I had only three hours of sleep. [01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:00.440] It's five in the morning. [01:48:00.440 --> 01:48:01.440] And I muttered something under my breath. [01:48:01.440 --> 01:48:02.440] And it wasn't at her. [01:48:02.440 --> 01:48:07.440] It was just the ridiculousness of the situation that they confiscate water. [01:48:07.440 --> 01:48:09.440] I mean, there's water fountains every place. [01:48:09.440 --> 01:48:10.440] We're flying in a fly-through water. [01:48:10.440 --> 01:48:12.440] They're going to serve water in a flight. [01:48:12.440 --> 01:48:16.440] Anyways, she came back and started screaming at me, what did you say? [01:48:16.440 --> 01:48:17.440] What did you say? [01:48:17.440 --> 01:48:19.440] I'm not going to repeat what I said. [01:48:19.440 --> 01:48:26.440] And so then she took me to security in the side area where they have a little [01:48:26.440 --> 01:48:27.440] revolving gate. [01:48:27.440 --> 01:48:29.440] There's a rubber mat. [01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:32.440] And they ran my shoes through again. [01:48:32.440 --> 01:48:40.440] They ran my luggage through again, just screaming and yelling at me. [01:48:40.440 --> 01:48:42.440] You said this was a Boston ordinance? [01:48:42.440 --> 01:48:45.440] No, Austin. [01:48:45.440 --> 01:48:46.440] Austin, Texas? [01:48:46.440 --> 01:48:47.440] Austin, Texas, yeah. [01:48:47.440 --> 01:48:50.440] Oh, good. [01:48:50.440 --> 01:48:54.440] Well, apparently the airport is the municipal airport. [01:48:54.440 --> 01:48:56.440] It's municipal airport. [01:48:56.440 --> 01:48:58.440] Well, they tried to wand me. [01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:01.440] And they tried to follow the directions that would give me conflicting orders or [01:49:01.440 --> 01:49:03.440] conflicting directions, whatever you want to say. [01:49:03.440 --> 01:49:04.440] Some of my luggage was an X-ray. [01:49:04.440 --> 01:49:06.440] Some of it was in front of me. [01:49:06.440 --> 01:49:08.440] And the person, I'm looking at my luggage, looking forward, [01:49:08.440 --> 01:49:10.440] that you're going to have your hands out. [01:49:10.440 --> 01:49:13.440] And so they're wanding me. [01:49:13.440 --> 01:49:17.440] And I can tell that they're just trying to create a situation. [01:49:17.440 --> 01:49:19.440] And so they're saying, look forward. [01:49:19.440 --> 01:49:20.440] Well, I'm looking. [01:49:20.440 --> 01:49:22.440] Look forward and look at your luggage. [01:49:22.440 --> 01:49:23.440] Well, I'm looking forward. [01:49:23.440 --> 01:49:24.440] What do you want me to do, sir? [01:49:24.440 --> 01:49:26.440] My luggage is an X-ray. [01:49:26.440 --> 01:49:27.440] It's forward. [01:49:27.440 --> 01:49:29.440] What do you want me to do? [01:49:29.440 --> 01:49:31.440] So I was looking forward. [01:49:31.440 --> 01:49:32.440] And then so I started to look. [01:49:32.440 --> 01:49:33.440] Do you want me to look to the side? [01:49:33.440 --> 01:49:34.440] I mean, my luggage is up there. [01:49:34.440 --> 01:49:37.440] Am I supposed to monitor it? [01:49:37.440 --> 01:49:39.440] Look forward and look at your luggage. [01:49:39.440 --> 01:49:41.440] So he said it a second time. [01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:43.440] And then what do you want me to do? [01:49:43.440 --> 01:49:45.440] And so he got up and left. [01:49:45.440 --> 01:49:47.440] And they called over a police officer. [01:49:47.440 --> 01:49:51.440] Well, I assume so because he failed to ID. [01:49:51.440 --> 01:49:53.440] So I'm still in security. [01:49:53.440 --> 01:49:55.440] I've never left TSA. [01:49:55.440 --> 01:49:57.440] They've already passed me once. [01:49:57.440 --> 01:49:59.440] Do you mean they're okay now? [01:49:59.440 --> 01:50:04.440] They're just kind of punishing me or whatever. [01:50:04.440 --> 01:50:06.440] So he wants my ID, I asked, [01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:09.440] for his ID is open as bond. [01:50:09.440 --> 01:50:12.440] He asked for my ID, I asked for his open as bond. [01:50:12.440 --> 01:50:15.440] And then so he immediately put me in handcuffs. [01:50:15.440 --> 01:50:19.440] And I didn't want to move, but he forced me backwards. [01:50:19.440 --> 01:50:21.440] And I had me sit in a chair. [01:50:21.440 --> 01:50:25.440] What did he charge you with when he put you in handcuffs? [01:50:25.440 --> 01:50:27.440] It didn't come out initially. [01:50:27.440 --> 01:50:32.440] A second officer came over and consulted with the first officer, [01:50:32.440 --> 01:50:35.440] discussed the situation with the first officer. [01:50:35.440 --> 01:50:37.440] And this was after he spoke with me. [01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:39.440] He spoke with the other officer and said, [01:50:39.440 --> 01:50:41.440] you have no reason to hold him. [01:50:41.440 --> 01:50:42.440] He hasn't done anything wrong. [01:50:42.440 --> 01:50:45.440] You have to let him go. [01:50:45.440 --> 01:50:49.440] And so eventually they gave me what looks like a traffic ticket. [01:50:49.440 --> 01:50:54.440] Well, who else witnessed that statement? [01:50:54.440 --> 01:50:55.440] No one. [01:50:55.440 --> 01:50:57.440] I'm just traveling by myself. [01:50:57.440 --> 01:51:01.440] But there was no other employees or anybody in the room at this time? [01:51:01.440 --> 01:51:02.440] Well, this isn't a room. [01:51:02.440 --> 01:51:07.440] It's kind of an open area in the TSA zone. [01:51:07.440 --> 01:51:09.440] There's cameras ahead. [01:51:09.440 --> 01:51:11.440] I'm sure they've probably been erased by now. [01:51:11.440 --> 01:51:12.440] I don't know. [01:51:12.440 --> 01:51:15.440] Because I commented that the officer, the first officer, [01:51:15.440 --> 01:51:19.440] after he handcuffed me started going through my pockets, [01:51:19.440 --> 01:51:21.440] grabbing my wallet and going through my wallet. [01:51:21.440 --> 01:51:26.440] And I'm like, hey, don't you need a warrant? [01:51:26.440 --> 01:51:30.440] They threatened to take me down and book me. [01:51:30.440 --> 01:51:32.440] And I said, well, I believe you. [01:51:32.440 --> 01:51:33.440] I don't believe that's true. [01:51:33.440 --> 01:51:35.440] I think you have to take me to the magistrate first. [01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:37.440] You can't make a legal determination. [01:51:37.440 --> 01:51:39.440] They said, no, we're going to book you first. [01:51:39.440 --> 01:51:45.440] Then take you to the magistrate, which I believe is, you know, [01:51:45.440 --> 01:51:47.440] aggravated kidnapping. [01:51:47.440 --> 01:51:48.440] They admitted they had no reason to hold you, [01:51:48.440 --> 01:51:51.440] but they told you they were going to book you? [01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:55.440] Yeah. [01:51:55.440 --> 01:52:03.440] And so after, yeah, I wasn't going to comply, but I was on my way for a job interview. [01:52:03.440 --> 01:52:04.440] Okay. [01:52:04.440 --> 01:52:07.440] Well, you said they gave you what looked like a traffic ticket. [01:52:07.440 --> 01:52:08.440] Yes, sir. [01:52:08.440 --> 01:52:11.440] And what happened at that point? [01:52:11.440 --> 01:52:12.440] They made me sign it. [01:52:12.440 --> 01:52:16.440] They put a promise to appear a month minus a day, [01:52:16.440 --> 01:52:19.440] because I thought it would have been on a Saturday. [01:52:19.440 --> 01:52:22.440] That's going to be the 16th next month. [01:52:22.440 --> 01:52:31.440] And then they went through, they rewounded me again, and then they did a path down. [01:52:31.440 --> 01:52:35.440] That was TSA wanted me, and TSA did a path down. [01:52:35.440 --> 01:52:39.440] And then after I had successfully passed, they x-rayed my possessions. [01:52:39.440 --> 01:52:42.440] I don't know how many times they finally let me go. [01:52:42.440 --> 01:52:48.440] And I didn't, you know, it was after my flight, so I missed the flight. [01:52:48.440 --> 01:52:51.440] Okay. [01:52:51.440 --> 01:52:57.440] And so I don't know, I'm just kind of wondering what to do, [01:52:57.440 --> 01:53:02.440] and I was wondering if you had any advice. [01:53:02.440 --> 01:53:09.440] It kind of depends on what you want to do. [01:53:09.440 --> 01:53:14.440] False imprisonment, you know, you can make all kinds of charges against him. [01:53:14.440 --> 01:53:18.440] If we don't fight back, they'll just get worse. [01:53:18.440 --> 01:53:23.440] I do want to fight back, because this was pretty aggravated, I felt. [01:53:23.440 --> 01:53:25.440] You know, I've never been arrested before. [01:53:25.440 --> 01:53:27.440] I've never been handcuffed. [01:53:27.440 --> 01:53:30.440] You know, I wasn't doing anything to cause harm. [01:53:30.440 --> 01:53:33.440] I'm just standing there talking to an officer, or I believe to be an officer, [01:53:33.440 --> 01:53:38.440] just because I asked him to show me his ID. [01:53:38.440 --> 01:53:40.440] Was he playing close, or was he in uniform? [01:53:40.440 --> 01:53:47.440] He was in uniform, but this goes back to something some other people had told me, [01:53:47.440 --> 01:53:52.440] where 60-plus arrests were fought per se in the police officers of the state of Texas. [01:53:52.440 --> 01:53:55.440] And I even brought that up, and so I don't assume that someone's an officer. [01:53:55.440 --> 01:53:57.440] Right, and I'm not saying you should. [01:53:57.440 --> 01:54:00.440] I'm just looking at all the angles they're going to look at it from [01:54:00.440 --> 01:54:04.440] and trying to make sure of what the bases are covered. [01:54:04.440 --> 01:54:06.440] Okay. [01:54:06.440 --> 01:54:10.440] Now, in this regard, once again, they're charging you under a city ordinance, [01:54:10.440 --> 01:54:17.440] which is not law that is valid to be used against you and I. [01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:21.440] State Constitution makes that very, very clear. [01:54:21.440 --> 01:54:29.440] Article 3, Section 29, the enacting clause of all laws shall be a city ordinance [01:54:29.440 --> 01:54:34.440] has no enacting clause, it is not enacted by the state legislature, [01:54:34.440 --> 01:54:39.440] and it was a violation of their oath of office to attempt to pass an ordinance [01:54:39.440 --> 01:54:45.440] that allowed anyone to do so. [01:54:45.440 --> 01:54:48.440] So this could be official oppression. [01:54:48.440 --> 01:54:52.440] Abuse of official capacity, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, [01:54:52.440 --> 01:54:56.440] false imprisonment, aggravated perjury, you've got a laundry list. [01:54:56.440 --> 01:55:00.440] An assault on the part of the TSA officer, it's not even an officer, [01:55:00.440 --> 01:55:08.440] the TSA employee that touched you, they don't have any authority to touch you at all. [01:55:08.440 --> 01:55:10.440] They're not law enforcement. [01:55:10.440 --> 01:55:12.440] TSA is not a law enforcement entity. [01:55:12.440 --> 01:55:16.440] They have no authority to force people to submit to pat downs [01:55:16.440 --> 01:55:19.440] or to go through the naked body scanners or anything. [01:55:19.440 --> 01:55:22.440] Yeah, and if, in fact, the states wish to do so, [01:55:22.440 --> 01:55:24.440] the states could kick them out of their airports. [01:55:24.440 --> 01:55:25.440] Absolutely. [01:55:25.440 --> 01:55:31.440] The city could kick them out because it's a municipal airport. [01:55:31.440 --> 01:55:37.440] Well, I didn't ask the TSA woman who had started all the problem, [01:55:37.440 --> 01:55:40.440] if I could see her idea, her oath in her body, she said, what? [01:55:40.440 --> 01:55:41.440] What are you talking about? [01:55:41.440 --> 01:55:45.440] Well, she wouldn't have an oath because she's not law enforcement. [01:55:45.440 --> 01:55:46.440] I knew. [01:55:46.440 --> 01:55:48.440] I was fairly certain she didn't have that. [01:55:48.440 --> 01:55:51.440] Well, but she's a federal employee. [01:55:51.440 --> 01:55:55.440] She still has to have an oath. [01:55:55.440 --> 01:55:58.440] Okay. [01:55:58.440 --> 01:56:02.440] So eventually, after things get settled, [01:56:02.440 --> 01:56:05.440] then I'm going to subpoena her information [01:56:05.440 --> 01:56:07.440] and see if she filed an oath. [01:56:07.440 --> 01:56:12.440] It appears she has not. [01:56:12.440 --> 01:56:15.440] Well, I don't know. [01:56:15.440 --> 01:56:17.440] I didn't mean to take up too much of your reach. [01:56:17.440 --> 01:56:21.440] You might want to look at a nice hefty lawsuit against the city of Austin [01:56:21.440 --> 01:56:25.440] because of what TSA did. [01:56:25.440 --> 01:56:26.440] Okay. [01:56:26.440 --> 01:56:34.440] If they get enough lawsuits against TSA, then city of Austin might get excited. [01:56:34.440 --> 01:56:35.440] Okay. [01:56:35.440 --> 01:56:42.440] As I guess things work out, I would like to get a judgment. [01:56:42.440 --> 01:56:46.440] When is your court date for this traffic ticket or whatever it is? [01:56:46.440 --> 01:56:50.440] It's on the 17th of July. [01:56:50.440 --> 01:56:52.440] All right. [01:56:52.440 --> 01:56:57.440] And what was the city ordinance they cited you with violating? [01:56:57.440 --> 01:57:01.440] 13-1-83, and there are three parts to it, [01:57:01.440 --> 01:57:05.440] and I don't know which part they're going to charge me. [01:57:05.440 --> 01:57:07.440] There's part A, part B. [01:57:07.440 --> 01:57:11.440] So they haven't even specified what they're charging you with. [01:57:11.440 --> 01:57:13.440] It's insufficient on its face. [01:57:13.440 --> 01:57:16.440] They didn't even put a statute number on the original citation. [01:57:16.440 --> 01:57:18.440] They had to come up with that later. [01:57:18.440 --> 01:57:20.440] They came up with it later? [01:57:20.440 --> 01:57:21.440] Yeah. [01:57:21.440 --> 01:57:24.440] They changed the citation later? [01:57:24.440 --> 01:57:25.440] Yeah. [01:57:25.440 --> 01:57:32.440] I have the officer citation, and it shows that he added the statute number later. [01:57:32.440 --> 01:57:35.440] How did you find that out? [01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:41.440] Well, I went to the court of courts today, and I got a copy of the officer's copy, [01:57:41.440 --> 01:57:45.440] and I have my copy, and it shows that he added the statute number. [01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:47.440] Initially it didn't have a statute number. [01:57:47.440 --> 01:57:50.440] Now in his copy, it has a statute number. [01:57:50.440 --> 01:57:51.440] Oh, boy. [01:57:51.440 --> 01:57:52.440] They're really in trouble. [01:57:52.440 --> 01:57:54.440] No, they can do that. [01:57:54.440 --> 01:57:59.440] I don't expect the officers to have all the numbers memorized, [01:57:59.440 --> 01:58:04.440] but as long as it goes to the same accusation, there won't be a problem with that. [01:58:04.440 --> 01:58:05.440] Okay. [01:58:05.440 --> 01:58:06.440] Listen, I'm sorry, Mike. [01:58:06.440 --> 01:58:09.440] We're at the end of the show. [01:58:09.440 --> 01:58:13.440] Why don't you call back in tomorrow night so we can discuss this some more? [01:58:13.440 --> 01:58:14.440] Okay. [01:58:14.440 --> 01:58:15.440] Thank you for your time. [01:58:15.440 --> 01:58:16.440] Okay, sure. [01:58:16.440 --> 01:58:17.440] Yeah, absolutely. [01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:18.440] All right. [01:58:18.440 --> 01:58:19.440] And I'm sorry to Michael and Marilyn. [01:58:19.440 --> 01:58:21.440] We're running out of time here. [01:58:21.440 --> 01:58:26.440] Tomorrow night we have a four-hour info marathon from 8 p.m. to midnight Central Time. [01:58:26.440 --> 01:58:32.440] We've got We Are Change, L.A. organizer Bruno Breweiler. [01:58:32.440 --> 01:58:35.440] That will be on for the first hour or so, and then we'll be taking your calls, [01:58:35.440 --> 01:58:40.440] so Mike, definitely call back in, and Michael from Marilyn, call back in. [01:58:40.440 --> 01:58:52.440] We will see you guys and gals tomorrow night. [01:59:10.440 --> 01:59:25.440] Thank you. [01:59:25.440 --> 01:59:40.440] Thank you. [01:59:40.440 --> 01:59:55.440] Thank you.