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[01:26.760 --> 01:28.660]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[01:28.660 --> 01:30.140]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[01:30.140 --> 01:34.040]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[01:34.320 --> 01:37.020]  You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one
[01:37.020 --> 01:39.700]  You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[01:39.700 --> 01:42.500]  You chuck it on your brother and you chuck it on your sister
[01:42.500 --> 01:45.180]  You chuck it on that one and you chuck it on me
[01:45.180 --> 01:46.700]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[01:46.700 --> 01:50.480]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[01:50.480 --> 01:52.080]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[01:52.080 --> 01:56.000]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[02:26.000 --> 02:39.440]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you here on the rule of
[02:39.440 --> 02:40.440]  law?
[02:40.440 --> 02:48.440]  This is Debra Stevens, I'm here tonight with Eddie Craig, Randy has the night off, tonight
[02:48.440 --> 02:55.160]  is Eddie's night, Mondays are Eddie's night, he's got some stuff planned for us, but first,
[02:55.160 --> 03:00.440]  for a few minutes, we're going to have a special guest, Robert Butler, the executive director
[03:00.440 --> 03:05.800]  of the Texas Libertarian Party, he's going to be talking about the Texas Libertarian
[03:05.800 --> 03:09.600]  Convention this weekend, Robert, thanks for joining us tonight.
[03:09.600 --> 03:12.640]  Thank you for having us, appreciate it.
[03:12.640 --> 03:19.920]  So Robert, Michael Bynarek was on Gary Johnson's show last night, and he was talking about
[03:19.920 --> 03:25.080]  that he's going to be a speaker this Saturday night, I know he's going to be one of the
[03:25.080 --> 03:28.280]  speakers, he's going to be a guest on our show on this Thursday as well for a little
[03:28.280 --> 03:33.960]  while, and so this is going to be a big deal, tell us about the event and the speakers and
[03:33.960 --> 03:35.520]  how can people participate?
[03:35.520 --> 03:40.040]  Well, it's a really exciting event for the Libertarian Party of Texas, it's the first
[03:40.040 --> 03:45.960]  time that we've ever had five candidates for governor competing for our nomination, and
[03:45.960 --> 03:50.280]  so we're really looking forward to that, we'll be picking a good electoral candidate on Saturday,
[03:50.280 --> 03:53.680]  that's our main piece of business, but in addition, you know, we have these really great
[03:53.680 --> 03:58.760]  guest speakers for people to come and listen to and hear more about Libertarian ideas and
[03:58.760 --> 04:02.840]  what's going on in the country, we've got Michael Bynarek, who you mentioned is going
[04:02.840 --> 04:09.240]  to be our keynote speaker on Saturday night for dinner, we have Kinky Friedman, who is
[04:09.240 --> 04:13.680]  not necessarily Libertarian, but an independent thinker for sure, who is going to be our guest
[04:13.680 --> 04:19.720]  speaker for lunch on Saturday, and we have G. Edward Griffin, of course the famous writer
[04:19.720 --> 04:24.000]  of The Creature from Jekyll Island, who's going to be speaking on Sunday afternoon at
[04:24.000 --> 04:31.120]  lunch, and we just added Sean Rima, from the local radio show host, he's going to be coming
[04:31.120 --> 04:34.880]  as well to speak to us on Saturday afternoon, so we're really excited about the big lineup
[04:34.880 --> 04:35.880]  we have.
[04:35.880 --> 04:40.920]  This is excellent, I'm looking forward to at least attending the dinner with Michael
[04:40.920 --> 04:46.720]  Bynarek and I'd like to see G. Edward Griffin on Sunday as well, so can you give us an idea
[04:46.720 --> 04:53.160]  of some of the times and how can people participate, can people attend the conference part-time
[04:53.160 --> 04:58.200]  or what are the, give us some of the rates and give us the breakdown here and how can
[04:58.200 --> 05:00.320]  people register and this sort of thing?
[05:00.320 --> 05:05.840]  Sure, well first of all I'd like to say that it is free to anyone who would like to watch
[05:05.840 --> 05:11.240]  the business of the convention, so if you're interested in watching our gubernatorial nomination
[05:11.240 --> 05:15.760]  or watching any of those candidate speeches, that's completely free to the public and
[05:15.760 --> 05:16.760]  they're welcome to attend.
[05:16.760 --> 05:21.120]  If they want to have, if they want to come to some of these dinners, we have for example
[05:21.120 --> 05:27.640]  Michael Bynarek, his dinner is on Saturday and there's a silver package that includes
[05:27.640 --> 05:31.720]  all day Saturday, all the speakers that we're having the entire day, which really there's
[05:31.720 --> 05:37.560]  too many to go into now in the air, and that's just $89 per person.
[05:37.560 --> 05:42.760]  We also have packages for people who just want to go to the Saturday dinner by itself,
[05:42.760 --> 05:47.640]  that's just $39 for dinner with Michael, and for people who want to go to lunch with
[05:47.640 --> 05:53.480]  Pinky or Jira Griffin, that's just $39 a person, and for people who don't want to eat, if
[05:53.480 --> 05:58.720]  you just want to sit and listen to the speakers, we even have a discounted rate of $19, so
[05:58.720 --> 06:02.320]  I think it's a pretty good deal, there's kind of price points for everybody out there
[06:02.320 --> 06:04.720]  depending on what your budget is.
[06:04.720 --> 06:09.560]  That's great, so how can people register, how can people get their tickets for this
[06:09.560 --> 06:10.560]  event?
[06:10.560 --> 06:18.280]  Sure, the best thing would be to go online, our website is lptexas.org, and there's a
[06:18.280 --> 06:22.320]  button you can click on there to visit the state convention, and that will give you our
[06:22.320 --> 06:28.560]  whole schedule of speakers and events going on, it will also give you the different prices
[06:28.560 --> 06:33.920]  and the ability to pay online, or you could give us a call at our office, our office number
[06:33.920 --> 06:37.960]  is 1-800-422-1776.
[06:37.960 --> 06:42.560]  Excellent, now where is the convention going to be?
[06:42.560 --> 06:48.040]  The convention will be at the Austin, so at the Holiday Inn, Austin Midtown, which is
[06:48.040 --> 06:53.760]  a renamed hotel, it was formerly until just recently known as the Radisson, and it was
[06:53.760 --> 07:00.600]  near the Highland Mall, behind the bus station there on 35, so it's real convenient for
[07:00.600 --> 07:03.600]  people to get through in Austin.
[07:03.600 --> 07:09.040]  Fantastic, well I'm looking forward to it, certainly I want to attend the dinner with
[07:09.040 --> 07:13.040]  Michael, he's one of my good friends, and he's going to be on the show this Thursday
[07:13.040 --> 07:18.600]  as well, and I'd like to see G. Edward Griffin, so I'm really excited, five candidates are
[07:18.600 --> 07:24.240]  competing for the Libertarian nominee, to be the Libertarian nominee for governor?
[07:24.240 --> 07:30.440]  Yes, that's right, it's an exciting time, I mean we are, you know, there's a lot of
[07:30.440 --> 07:35.840]  energy obviously out there right now, in the political environment, and it isn't just people
[07:35.840 --> 07:39.880]  in the Tea Parties and the Republican Party, it's people are coming to the Libertarian
[07:39.880 --> 07:44.560]  Party as well, you know, they know that we are the answer for smaller government and
[07:44.560 --> 07:49.680]  for more freedom, and so, you know, we've seen our fundraising increase, we, for example,
[07:49.680 --> 07:55.960]  we've recently hired four new employees, the state party staff, so there's a lot of growth
[07:55.960 --> 07:59.560]  going on in the party, and there's just a lot of candidates out there on the ballot,
[07:59.560 --> 08:04.400]  we have over a hundred and sixty candidates statewide on the ballot running as Libertarians
[08:04.400 --> 08:06.160]  this year, so it's very exciting.
[08:06.160 --> 08:09.400]  That's wonderful, Robert, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, how did you
[08:09.400 --> 08:11.640]  get into the Libertarian movement?
[08:11.640 --> 08:17.200]  Well, you know, I actually, I started the way a lot of people do, I, when I was very
[08:17.200 --> 08:22.720]  young, I was sixteen, and I started doing some volunteer work, and you know, back in
[08:22.720 --> 08:27.040]  those days, that was before, I'll be dating myself here, but this was before the Republican
[08:27.040 --> 08:32.960]  Revolution in 1994, so a lot of people didn't know how the Republican Party would act once
[08:32.960 --> 08:36.720]  they got into government, and I was one of those folks who believed them when they said
[08:36.720 --> 08:42.880]  that they would cut, you know, taxes and make government smaller, cut spending, and I remember
[08:42.880 --> 08:47.120]  I was doing some fundraising for the Republican Party back in those days, and they said things
[08:47.120 --> 08:53.120]  like if you were elected Republican majority to Congress, then we'll eliminate the Department
[08:53.120 --> 08:57.040]  of Energy, and eliminate the Department of Education, and eliminate the National Endowment
[08:57.040 --> 09:02.240]  for the Arts, and all these things, and of course your listeners will probably know that
[09:02.240 --> 09:07.840]  since the early 90s, funding for all those things has tripled or quadrupled in some cases,
[09:07.840 --> 09:13.440]  so you know, I started out as always wanting smaller government, and unfortunately, you
[09:13.440 --> 09:17.440]  know, the Republican Party didn't provide it, so I had to go somewhere else, and in
[09:17.440 --> 09:24.160]  2001, I became a Libertarian officially, and I started working for the party. In 2003,
[09:24.160 --> 09:29.120]  I was working full-time for the Indiana Party for a while, then I worked in Ohio, I was
[09:29.120 --> 09:34.480]  their executive director for two years, and I was brought down to Texas a year and a half
[09:34.480 --> 09:38.480]  ago, so I've been working here since January 2009.
[09:38.480 --> 09:42.880]  That's fantastic. Well, Michael...
[09:42.880 --> 09:48.560]  One of the things that we're trying to do is really build, you know, the business of
[09:48.560 --> 09:53.360]  political consulting, so that, you know, when somebody graduates from college, they can
[09:53.360 --> 09:58.160]  look for a career path, not just in the Republican or Democrat parties, but in the Libertarian
[09:58.160 --> 10:02.880]  Party as well. Well, Michael Bannerich was certainly bigging
[10:02.880 --> 10:07.840]  you guys up and saying how, I mean, just even here in Travis County, he said the Travis
[10:07.840 --> 10:15.200]  County Libertarian Party raises more money than some states, some state Libertarian parties,
[10:15.200 --> 10:20.120]  and he's very impressed with the Libertarian Party of Texas in general, and I know he's
[10:20.120 --> 10:24.560]  very much looking forward to giving his speech on Saturday night, and I'm looking forward
[10:24.560 --> 10:28.160]  to hearing it as well. So it sounds like you guys are doing a really
[10:28.160 --> 10:35.040]  good job here. I mean, I'm a Libertarian myself by principle. I'm not that active in the party
[10:35.040 --> 10:40.120]  because I just don't have time, but I certainly support you guys, and I'm really impressed
[10:40.120 --> 10:45.040]  with all these candidates y'all have on the ballots this year coming up in this election
[10:45.040 --> 10:50.760]  and all the candidates vying for the nominee for the Libertarian candidate for governor
[10:50.760 --> 10:55.360]  and all these things, so I'm sure this is going to be an excellent convention, excellent
[10:55.360 --> 10:59.480]  event this weekend. Well, thank you so much for helping us out,
[10:59.480 --> 11:04.200]  and yeah, I mean, we definitely would, you know, encourage everybody to come to this
[11:04.200 --> 11:08.840]  convention. It's exciting. Even if you're not, you know, a convinced Libertarian voter
[11:08.840 --> 11:13.280]  or a party member, we want the public to come and see what we're like and see what we're
[11:13.280 --> 11:18.240]  all about. I think there's a lot of myths and rumors that get circulated about Libertarians,
[11:18.240 --> 11:24.360]  and, you know, if you're a person who has heard some kind of a story about how crazy
[11:24.360 --> 11:28.000]  we are, then I'd like you to come and see in person so you can see that we're regular
[11:28.000 --> 11:32.520]  folks, just like everybody else. We just want the government to leave us alone, which I
[11:32.520 --> 11:35.240]  think a lot of people will share that sentiment these days.
[11:35.240 --> 11:39.840]  Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, fantastic. Give out your website one more time for us, Robert,
[11:39.840 --> 11:45.800]  and the phone number. Sure. Sure. It's lptexas.org, and we welcome
[11:45.800 --> 11:50.440]  people to come and visit our website and look at our positions, look at our candidates,
[11:50.440 --> 11:54.640]  and sign up for the convention. Now, can people just walk in if they want
[11:54.640 --> 11:58.800]  to decide at the last minute they just want to show up first for a particular speaker
[11:58.800 --> 12:04.600]  or an event on one of the days? Yes, we will accept walk-ins as long as we
[12:04.600 --> 12:10.000]  have room. We are concerned about, you know, the issue of not having enough room for people,
[12:10.000 --> 12:14.800]  so if you want to appear and see a seat, I would encourage people to make that reservation
[12:14.800 --> 12:19.040]  online, but certainly, you know, the day of the convention, they're welcome to come by
[12:19.040 --> 12:22.840]  as well, and we'll try to accommodate as many people as we can.
[12:22.840 --> 12:27.960]  That's fantastic. All right. I encourage everyone to go out, folks, to the Libertarian, the
[12:27.960 --> 12:34.440]  Texas Libertarian Convention this weekend, and you can register online at lptexas.org.
[12:34.440 --> 12:39.400]  Is that correct? All right. Fantastic. All right. Well, thank you, Robert. Thanks for
[12:39.400 --> 12:43.880]  coming on and letting us know about this, and we'll see you this weekend.
[12:43.880 --> 12:46.520]  Thanks, Deborah. We'll see you this weekend. Okay.
[12:46.520 --> 12:50.960]  Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All right. That was Robert Butler, Executive
[12:50.960 --> 12:56.920]  Director of the Texas Libertarian Party, talking about the convention this weekend.
[12:56.920 --> 13:02.200]  I encourage everyone to get out and support these folks. They're really hard workers working
[13:02.200 --> 13:07.120]  hard for the cause of liberty. All right. In the meantime, now we have Eddie
[13:07.120 --> 13:12.160]  with us tonight, and, of course, Monday night is Eddie's night. So, Eddie, what do you got
[13:12.160 --> 13:17.280]  for us? Well, I have been doing some in-depth research
[13:17.280 --> 13:25.400]  on owes of office, and I have gotten my hand on the particular things that I was looking
[13:25.400 --> 13:34.800]  for regarding the original federal oath of office requirement. I have a copy of the original
[13:34.800 --> 13:42.320]  statute as it was written, and let's see. What I want to do here is I want to read you
[13:42.320 --> 13:49.880]  the requirements in the Constitution for this to occur. All right. So, let me pull this
[13:49.880 --> 14:00.880]  up here. Now, in Article 4 of the Constitution, it specifically
[14:00.880 --> 14:09.480]  states that any public servant, regardless of office, is required to take a federal oath.
[14:09.480 --> 14:15.720]  Now, when the original Congress, I mean the original Congress enacted this statute, let
[14:15.720 --> 14:22.400]  me show you exactly what it says here. This was passed Acts of the First Congress of the
[14:22.400 --> 14:26.840]  United States, passed at the first session, which was begun and held at the City of New
[14:26.840 --> 14:36.960]  York on Wednesday, March 4th, 1789, and continued to September 29th, 1789. George Washington
[14:36.960 --> 14:40.680]  President, John Adams Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate,
[14:40.680 --> 14:47.000]  Frederick Augustus, Muhlenberg, Speaker of the House of Representatives. Statute number
[14:47.000 --> 14:53.360]  1, Chapter 1, an act to regulate the time and manner of administering certain oaths,
[14:53.360 --> 14:59.200]  and you have Section 1, Section 2, which deal with oaths that are required of those participating
[14:59.200 --> 15:08.520]  in Congress, okay? Then you come to Section 3, and be it further enacted that the members
[15:08.520 --> 15:13.960]  of the several state legislatures at the next sessions of said legislatures respectively
[15:13.960 --> 15:19.540]  and all executive judicial officers of the several states who have been heretofore chosen
[15:19.540 --> 15:25.480]  or appointed or who shall be chosen or appointed before the first day of August next and who
[15:25.480 --> 15:32.600]  shall then be in office shall within one month thereafter take the same oath or affirmation
[15:32.600 --> 15:38.440]  except where they shall have taken it before, which may be administered by any person authorized
[15:38.440 --> 15:44.360]  by the law of the state in which such office shall be holding to administer oaths. And
[15:44.360 --> 15:48.880]  the members of the several state legislatures and all executive and judicial officers of
[15:48.880 --> 15:53.800]  the several states who shall be chosen or appointed after the said first day of August
[15:53.800 --> 15:59.160]  shall before they proceed to execute the duties of their respective offices take the foregoing
[15:59.160 --> 16:04.640]  oath or affirmation which shall be administered by the person or persons who by the law of
[16:04.640 --> 16:09.400]  the state shall be authorized to administer the oath of office. And the person or persons
[16:09.400 --> 16:14.920]  so administering the oath hereby required to be taken shall cause a record or certificate
[16:14.920 --> 16:20.360]  thereof to be made in the same manner as by the law of the state he or they shall be directed
[16:20.360 --> 16:28.160]  to record or certify the oath of office. Now, this is the oath that they have to take.
[16:28.160 --> 16:34.440]  I, A, B, do solemnly swear or affirm as the case may be that I will support the Constitution
[16:34.440 --> 16:41.320]  of the United States. The said oath or affirmation shall be administered within three days. Now,
[16:41.320 --> 16:47.000]  that's the original oath, folks. I hear the music. We are about to go to break. But if
[16:47.000 --> 16:51.000]  you folks will hang on, we'll talk about this a little bit more when we get back. This is
[16:51.000 --> 16:55.120]  Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton has his night off. Little Law Radio will be
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[18:21.200 --> 18:35.200]  Okay, now what we're talking about here is the original first act of Congress, okay,
[18:35.200 --> 18:42.920]  who specifically stated that all of the members of state government were specifically required
[18:42.920 --> 18:51.840]  to take this oath. Now, this is something else that I have been looking at today to
[18:51.840 --> 18:58.960]  see what the current codification of this is supposed to be. And in the current codification,
[18:58.960 --> 19:06.520]  they have altered the oath to say any of those engaging in civil service. Now, we know that
[19:06.520 --> 19:13.200]  saying that they're engaging in civil service can be anywhere, but what they're going to
[19:13.200 --> 19:18.840]  argue is that it actually applies only to those that are in federal government when
[19:18.840 --> 19:24.200]  the original oath and act of Congress specifically says that it applies to the states as well
[19:24.200 --> 19:30.560]  as to the Congress. So, what I'm wondering is, is where are the acts in between this
[19:30.560 --> 19:37.080]  original act and the current act that allegedly removed this oath from the necessity of being
[19:37.080 --> 19:45.040]  taken by state officials? Because according to this and the Constitution itself, the Constitution
[19:45.040 --> 19:50.880]  has not removed the requirement. So, where did the legislature or the Congress get the
[19:50.880 --> 19:58.280]  authority to remove a requirement that the Constitution says is required? I mean, how
[19:58.280 --> 20:02.560]  do you say, well, the states, you don't have to listen to what the Constitution says. Just
[20:02.560 --> 20:08.160]  ignore that. You don't have to have the oath. We're going to make a new act that just ignores
[20:08.160 --> 20:14.680]  what the Constitutional mandates are and pretend it doesn't exist for you guys, okay? That's
[20:14.680 --> 20:21.600]  pretty much what they've done. However, I don't see that this has ever been repealed.
[20:21.600 --> 20:29.880]  The section that I looked up under 5 United States Code Section 3331, which is where the
[20:29.880 --> 20:38.920]  current codification of this oath is, seems to indicate that an 1884 version of an act
[20:38.920 --> 20:47.000]  is what superseded the original version of the act. But it didn't just supersede it in
[20:47.000 --> 20:53.960]  the current version. It's actually completely altered it to remove its application to state
[20:53.960 --> 21:00.780]  government officials unless the rest of the statute specifically says civil service applies
[21:00.780 --> 21:08.360]  to state and federal. I'm still looking into the research on that to find out because it's
[21:08.360 --> 21:15.320]  not real clear where it became altered and who did it. It doesn't even give you a legislative
[21:15.320 --> 21:23.280]  enactment. It just says in 1884 this was done. Now, you'll also remember that I've talked
[21:23.280 --> 21:27.680]  several times about something that appears at the beginning of all the codes here in
[21:27.680 --> 21:34.560]  Texas. What we're talking about is the statutory revision program that is conducted by the
[21:34.560 --> 21:41.000]  Texas Legislative Council, which started here in Texas in 1963. If you look at the beginning
[21:41.000 --> 21:45.600]  of virtually every code in Texas, you'll see a section that basically reads like this,
[21:45.600 --> 21:51.520]  purpose of code, subsection A. This code is enacted as a part of the state's continuing
[21:51.520 --> 21:57.520]  statutory revision program, begun by the Texas Legislative Council in 1963 as directed by
[21:57.520 --> 22:03.440]  the legislature in the law codified as Chapter 323 of the government code. The program contemplates
[22:03.440 --> 22:08.200]  a topic-by-topic revision of the state's general and permanent statute law without substantive
[22:08.200 --> 22:16.840]  change, meaning they're not allowed to change the sense, meaning, intent, or application
[22:16.840 --> 22:25.800]  of a statute when they make these so-called changes. Subsection B, consistent with the
[22:25.800 --> 22:30.080]  objectives of the statutory revision program, the purpose of this code is to make the law
[22:30.080 --> 22:36.240]  encompassed by this code more accessible and understandable by, one, rearranging the statutes
[22:36.240 --> 22:41.760]  into a more logical order, two, employing a format and numbering system designed to
[22:41.760 --> 22:48.160]  facilitate citation of the law and to accommodate future expansion of the law, three, eliminating
[22:48.160 --> 22:55.040]  repealed, duplicative, unconstitutional, expired, executed, and other ineffective provisions,
[22:55.040 --> 23:01.000]  and four, restating the law in modern American English to the greatest extent possible. Then
[23:01.000 --> 23:06.560]  you see the next one down, construction of code. The Code Construction Act, Chapter 311
[23:06.560 --> 23:11.760]  of the government code, applies to the construction of each provision in this code except as otherwise
[23:11.760 --> 23:19.280]  expressly provided by this code. Now what you see there is the very first sections of
[23:19.280 --> 23:26.760]  the local government code. You will find those two sections in virtually every code in Texas.
[23:26.760 --> 23:34.680]  Now they do not appear in the Code of Criminal Procedure except in Title II, there is a reference
[23:34.680 --> 23:40.240]  to the Code Construction Act at the beginning of Title II, but it is not in Title I, which
[23:40.240 --> 23:48.120]  is the beginning sections of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Now, why is this important? Well,
[23:48.120 --> 23:55.700]  let's take a look at Chapter 323 of the government code here in Texas. Let's find out who comprises
[23:55.700 --> 24:04.320]  the membership of the Texas Legislative Council. In Section 323.001, Creation and Membership,
[24:04.320 --> 24:08.840]  Subsection A, the Texas Legislative Council is an agency of the Legislative Branch of
[24:08.840 --> 24:15.240]  State Government. Subsection B, the Council consists of, one, the Lieutenant Governor,
[24:15.240 --> 24:20.960]  two, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, three, the Chairman of the House Administration
[24:20.960 --> 24:26.440]  Committee, four, six Senators from various areas of the state appointed by the President
[24:26.440 --> 24:31.280]  of the Senate, and five, five other members of the House of Representatives from various
[24:31.280 --> 24:36.800]  areas of the state appointed by the Speaker. Subsection C, the Lieutenant Governor and
[24:36.800 --> 24:43.080]  the Speaker are joint Chairs of the Council. Subsection D, if a vacancy occurs in the appointed
[24:43.080 --> 24:47.960]  membership, the appropriate appointing authority shall appoint a person to serve for the remainder
[24:47.960 --> 24:54.120]  of the unexpired term. Subsection E, except for the Lieutenant Governor and the Speaker,
[24:54.120 --> 24:57.800]  each member serves a term beginning on the date of the member's appointment and ending
[24:57.800 --> 25:03.560]  with the convening of the first regular legislative session that occurs after the date of appointment.
[25:03.560 --> 25:07.600]  And Subsection F, the Lieutenant Governor and the Speaker act as the Council during
[25:07.600 --> 25:14.560]  a regular legislative session. Now, get that last one. The Lieutenant Governor and the
[25:14.560 --> 25:26.560]  Speaker act as the Council, the entire body, during a regular legislative session. Now,
[25:26.560 --> 25:31.720]  this goes on. It's not a very long chapter. And it talks about, you know, expenses of
[25:31.720 --> 25:36.720]  members, Council expenditures and salaries, powers and duties. Okay? Now, let me read
[25:36.720 --> 25:40.440]  you a little bit of the powers and duties here. It's actually a very short section as well.
[25:40.440 --> 25:48.680]  Subsection 323.006, powers and duties. Subsection A, the Council shall, one, study and investigate
[25:48.680 --> 25:54.920]  the functions and problems of State departments, agencies and officers. Boy, do I wish they
[25:54.920 --> 26:03.280]  would talk to us. Number two, conduct investigations and studies and make reports that may be considered
[26:03.280 --> 26:09.080]  useful to the legislative branch of State government. Three, gather and disseminate
[26:09.080 --> 26:15.440]  information for the legislature's use. Four, meet and perform Council functions during
[26:15.440 --> 26:21.480]  the legislative interim. Five, make periodic reports to all members of the legislature
[26:21.480 --> 26:27.320]  and keep the legislature fully informed of all issues that may come before the Council,
[26:27.320 --> 26:35.320]  any action taken on an issue and the progress made on the issue. Six, report Council recommendations
[26:35.320 --> 26:42.560]  to the legislature and, if appropriate, provide drafts of legislation with the report. Seven,
[26:42.560 --> 26:49.120]  assist the legislature in drafting proposed legislation. And eight, provide data processing
[26:49.120 --> 26:54.520]  services to aid members and legislative committees in accomplishing their legislative duties.
[26:54.520 --> 26:59.720]  And in Subsection B, by agreement with either House of the legislature or a legislative
[26:59.720 --> 27:03.400]  agency, the Council may perform other services or functions for or on behalf of the House
[27:03.400 --> 27:10.560]  or agency. Now, that's the powers and duties of the Texas Legislative Council, folks. These
[27:10.560 --> 27:16.440]  people take legislation. They're the ones that make the crosses through the lettering
[27:16.440 --> 27:21.200]  and all this stuff and sends it to the legislature and says, hey, this is the changes we recommend
[27:21.200 --> 27:30.800]  you make because. Now, these people are not supposed to be able to alter the law, but
[27:30.800 --> 27:40.600]  some of these acts do exactly that. For instance, 1517 Subsection B at this last session of
[27:40.600 --> 27:46.320]  the legislature, who do we determine made the recommendation to alter the law? Was it
[27:46.320 --> 27:52.880]  the Legislative Council or was it the legislature themselves that changed the code to read from
[27:52.880 --> 27:58.380]  the requirement that you be remanded to a county court of record or a statutory county
[27:58.380 --> 28:04.560]  court of record for the purposes of an arraignment to what it currently reads where you now are
[28:04.560 --> 28:11.280]  remanded back to a justice or municipal court for the purpose of an arraignment? Now, those
[28:11.280 --> 28:16.520]  of you that have the traffic seminar material and have gotten my brief on the city attorney's
[28:16.520 --> 28:22.200]  ability to prosecute and the municipal court's ability to hear the case and so on and so
[28:22.200 --> 28:27.520]  forth, you've heard us also discuss on the show that according to Texas law, an arraignment
[28:27.520 --> 28:35.680]  can only be held in a court having jurisdiction of an offense for which confinement is considered
[28:35.680 --> 28:40.800]  as a part of the punishment. In other words, the law says that an arraignment occurs only
[28:40.800 --> 28:49.800]  in cases that are punishable by imprisonment of some sort. So by its very nature, the fact
[28:49.800 --> 28:57.080]  that it involves anything other than a fine removes the authority from a municipal or
[28:57.080 --> 29:04.520]  justice court to hold an arraignment because arraignments allegedly only apply to those
[29:04.520 --> 29:11.800]  that can be thrown in jail as part of their punishment. And that's just one little point
[29:11.800 --> 29:15.720]  sticking up off of that iceberg. There are many, but I won't go into any greater detail
[29:15.720 --> 29:23.280]  on that. But to finish this on the Texas Legislative Council, now, this is something that you will
[29:23.280 --> 29:31.920]  find in many parts of Texas law. And I, for one, think it is a severe problem. This is
[29:31.920 --> 29:39.880]  section 323.016. Okay, we've got the music coming up. I'll read this section when we
[29:39.880 --> 29:45.320]  get back from break. This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton has the night
[29:45.320 --> 29:49.920]  off. This is Rule of Law Radio. If you folks will hang in there with us, we'll be right
[29:49.920 --> 29:56.920]  back and wrap this up so we can start taking your calls. Be right back.
[30:19.920 --> 30:26.920]  We'll be right back.
[30:49.920 --> 30:56.920]  Thank you.
[31:19.920 --> 31:26.920]  Thank you.
[31:49.920 --> 31:56.920]  Thank you.
[32:19.920 --> 32:26.920]  Thank you.
[32:49.920 --> 32:56.920]  All right, folks, we are back. Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton has the night
[32:56.920 --> 33:03.440]  off, Rule of Law Radio, and talking about the Texas Legislative Council. Now, the section
[33:03.440 --> 33:11.840]  I was about to read to you is section 323.016, gifts and grants. Now, before I read this,
[33:11.840 --> 33:17.920]  I'd just like to comment on one thing here. To have a public servant with the ability
[33:17.920 --> 33:26.760]  to accept gifts and grants from an outside source, any outside source, is an inherently
[33:26.760 --> 33:34.360]  bad idea in my personal opinion. It gives the implication that it is possible to induce
[33:34.360 --> 33:40.640]  a level of influence or corruption that should not exist in government, nor should the appearance
[33:40.640 --> 33:50.840]  of such exist in government. That being said, let's see what this reads. Subsection A, the
[33:50.840 --> 33:58.200]  Council may accept gifts, grants, and donations from any organization described in Section
[33:58.200 --> 34:04.440]  501C3 of the Internal Revenue Code for the purpose of funding any activity under this
[34:04.440 --> 34:12.600]  chapter. All gifts, grants, and donations must be accepted in an open meeting by a majority
[34:12.600 --> 34:17.200]  of the voting members of the Council and reported in the public record of the Council with the
[34:17.200 --> 34:23.040]  name of the donor and purpose of the gift, grant, or donation. And that's all there is
[34:23.040 --> 34:34.240]  to it. But this can come from any organization that's listed as a 501C3, okay? Now, those
[34:34.240 --> 34:40.360]  of you that have a nonprofit, you know 501C3s are nonprofits. This is the same section the
[34:40.360 --> 34:50.160]  Internal Revenue Code insists that all churches must participate in so that we have government-controlled
[34:50.160 --> 34:55.200]  church preaching, so to speak, because you're not allowed to say certain things in a church
[34:55.200 --> 35:01.640]  that's a 501C3, okay? So in case you didn't know that, that's just a little nugget of
[35:01.640 --> 35:08.520]  information for you. But anyway, that in and of itself, it would astound you how many places
[35:08.520 --> 35:16.020]  in Texas law committees and individual members of offices and parts of government and so
[35:16.020 --> 35:24.400]  on and so forth are allowed to take gifts and emoluments of some kind, okay, other than
[35:24.400 --> 35:30.400]  their normal everyday paycheck. And they're allowed to take it from individuals that could
[35:30.400 --> 35:38.520]  be considered outside influence in any way, shape, or form, because anyone can create
[35:38.520 --> 35:50.020]  a 501C3 nonprofit. And this specifically says that any 501C3 can donate. And we all know
[35:50.020 --> 35:55.800]  how political donations tend to pan out, okay? I'll give you this if you can see your way
[35:55.800 --> 35:59.600]  clear to, you know, kind of do this little thing over here for me somewhere down the
[35:59.600 --> 36:05.960]  line or on this particular deal over here or that kind of deal. And for those of you
[36:05.960 --> 36:10.840]  that says, no, that can't happen, I don't know what country you're in, but it's not
[36:10.840 --> 36:18.160]  ours, okay? All right. That is the bulk of the material I've got for tonight, Debra.
[36:18.160 --> 36:20.760]  So if we've got anybody on the phone, then let's see.
[36:20.760 --> 36:27.640]  We don't have any calls yet, so call us if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984.
[36:27.640 --> 36:30.920]  I kind of figured on Monday, that's what I already have them lined up asking traffic
[36:30.920 --> 36:31.920]  questions.
[36:31.920 --> 36:36.160]  Yeah, folks, if you want to call in and ask Eddie some questions about traffic, please
[36:36.160 --> 36:37.160]  call in.
[36:37.160 --> 36:41.960]  Yes, please do. I don't talk about traffic every Monday night for the information I've
[36:41.960 --> 36:46.920]  got out, because there's just so much information that we need to be aware of out there besides
[36:46.920 --> 36:55.080]  traffic, because all of this stuff in our government is so tied together, it's not funny.
[36:55.080 --> 37:00.040]  You can take one statute and think that you've encompassed everything you need to know, and
[37:00.040 --> 37:03.040]  if somebody goes, oh, no, wait, there's at least three other sections and three other
[37:03.040 --> 37:07.800]  codes that deal with the same thing. Let's see what they all say and see if they interact
[37:07.800 --> 37:13.400]  together or somebody says you've got to use this one over that one and so on and so forth.
[37:13.400 --> 37:19.480]  And one of the things that I am constructing right now, I was working on partly today while
[37:19.480 --> 37:26.360]  I was doing some of this research information, I am trying to construct a letter to my state
[37:26.360 --> 37:32.080]  representative and to my legislators, and I'm going to ask some very specific questions
[37:32.080 --> 37:35.600]  regarding the general powers of government.
[37:35.600 --> 37:44.720]  What I want to know is what are the areas of government, the specific functions and
[37:44.720 --> 37:54.120]  activities that are considered to exist and operate under the general powers as specified
[37:54.120 --> 38:02.880]  within the Constitution? And I'm going to quantify that question with is it specifically
[38:02.880 --> 38:11.880]  limited to the powers granted within the Constitution to the individual governmental departments
[38:11.880 --> 38:19.960]  and the offices thereof? Are they specific provisions granted under Article 16 general
[38:19.960 --> 38:28.160]  provisions or are they something else? And please go into detail and explain what the
[38:28.160 --> 38:35.520]  something else is if it's neither of the other two and see what kind of response I get back.
[38:35.520 --> 38:42.960]  Now I'm going to do this in a pyramid fashion. I want to use that first letter to build a
[38:42.960 --> 38:51.680]  base to build future questions upon. For instance, now that we've got them telling us exactly
[38:51.680 --> 39:00.040]  what functions of government exist as operations of the general powers, now we can start asking
[39:00.040 --> 39:08.920]  specific questions. For instance, is the occupations code considered an exercise of the general
[39:08.920 --> 39:14.920]  powers? There are all the statutes in that code, something that's brought forth under
[39:14.920 --> 39:25.560]  the general powers of government. Is Article 16 of the Constitution a specific set of powers
[39:25.560 --> 39:31.480]  exercised under the general powers of government? Now when I say Article 16 of the Constitution,
[39:31.480 --> 39:38.520]  I do mean the Texas Constitution because Article 16 is where the power to create municipalities
[39:38.520 --> 39:52.520]  was placed. Now there are specific things in that article that don't appear to be things
[39:52.520 --> 39:57.400]  that the legislature has any authority over. For instance, Article 16 mentions nothing
[39:57.400 --> 40:03.720]  about a private police force for a municipality. Police, the word police, does not even appear
[40:03.720 --> 40:10.560]  in the Texas Constitution. The word police power or the term police power does not appear
[40:10.560 --> 40:18.120]  anywhere in the Texas Constitution. Law enforcement, as we've discussed many times, exists three
[40:18.120 --> 40:23.240]  times and in each of those instances it's specifically dealing either with the sheriff,
[40:23.240 --> 40:30.640]  deputy sheriff and constables or the facilities that are used for the purpose of those offices
[40:30.640 --> 40:38.400]  such as the county jail, the sheriff's department building and so on and so forth. So if the
[40:38.400 --> 40:48.040]  general provisions article of the Texas Constitution is a specific set of general powers, then
[40:48.040 --> 40:53.520]  that's going to help us out a lot, as is the other when they answer is the local government
[40:53.520 --> 40:58.200]  code, for instance, an exercise of the general powers, is the occupations code. Now, let's
[40:58.200 --> 41:07.400]  get specific again, is the Texas transportation code an exercise of the general powers? Here's
[41:07.400 --> 41:14.420]  why we want to know that. If these particular codes are exercises of the general powers
[41:14.420 --> 41:21.880]  of government, then we need to refer back to Article 1, Section 29 of the Texas Constitution,
[41:21.880 --> 41:29.720]  which specifically states that anything within the general powers of government are forever
[41:29.720 --> 41:37.040]  exempted from interfering in any way, shape or form with anything within the Bill of Rights
[41:37.040 --> 41:45.280]  of the Texas Constitution or any provision thereafter. Now, think about that. They passed
[41:45.280 --> 41:50.360]  the driver's license statute. The driver's license statute is an exercise of the general
[41:50.360 --> 41:57.120]  powers. Article 1, Section 29 says anything exercised under the general powers shall not
[41:57.120 --> 42:03.400]  apply to the rights of the people in this Constitution and this Bill of Rights. It shall
[42:03.400 --> 42:08.480]  not affect or alter any other provision of this Constitution or anything in the Bill
[42:08.480 --> 42:16.960]  of Rights. The authority to do that is forever exempted from the powers of government, which
[42:16.960 --> 42:23.440]  means they cannot grant themselves the power to do it. They cannot make up the power to
[42:23.440 --> 42:34.360]  do it. It is forever accepted from their general powers or from their powers. We want to know
[42:34.360 --> 42:38.720]  about these things because this is going to tell us that the laws they're attempting to
[42:38.720 --> 42:47.400]  put us under are unconstitutional when applied to us. If they're created under the general
[42:47.400 --> 42:52.240]  provisions or powers of government, then they cannot be made to apply to the people of Texas
[42:52.240 --> 43:00.480]  or any other free citizen that's within Texas. Those provisions can only apply to the things
[43:00.480 --> 43:07.360]  over which the people granted our government specific enumerated powers and authority,
[43:07.360 --> 43:14.720]  and we did not grant them any of those things over us. We just didn't do that. Free people
[43:14.720 --> 43:21.760]  that establish a Constitution aren't that stupid as to go through all the effort of
[43:21.760 --> 43:26.920]  making a Constitution and then turn around and say, okay, you can still enact any law
[43:26.920 --> 43:32.840]  you want. The Constitution doesn't matter, and you can ignore the articles and provisions.
[43:32.840 --> 43:36.600]  We just put it up there because we thought it might be a good idea.
[43:36.600 --> 43:39.160]  Yeah, I don't think so.
[43:39.160 --> 43:41.680]  You'll mean you won't.
[43:41.680 --> 43:46.200]  Okay, Eddie, well, we got some callers stacking up on the call board. Do you want to take
[43:46.200 --> 43:47.520]  some calls when we get back?
[43:47.520 --> 43:49.000]  Yes, ma'am. Let's do it.
[43:49.000 --> 43:52.000]  All righty, we'll start taking your calls as soon as we get back on the other side.
[43:52.000 --> 43:57.160]  We got Ken, Michael, Eric, Dan, and more. We'll be right back.
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[45:18.680 --> 45:28.760]  Ok folks we are taking your phone calls 512-646-1984. We're going first to Ken in Texas. Ken thanks
[45:28.760 --> 45:36.140]  for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? Well hi, Eddie. I just wanted to follow up.
[45:36.140 --> 45:42.920]  You have very graciously pointed out all the information about the traffic code and what
[45:42.920 --> 45:47.840]  the policemen have to jump through, the hoops have to jump through to be qualified. And
[45:47.840 --> 45:51.480]  as I mentioned on a previous call I did a public information request and found out there
[45:51.480 --> 45:58.520]  are 45 municipalities in Texas that can't enforce the traffic code. Yes sir. Now I followed
[45:58.520 --> 46:05.320]  that up with another public information request. Specifically I asked them about the city of
[46:05.320 --> 46:13.960]  Plano. I asked them which officers are authorized to enforce the traffic code that are shown
[46:13.960 --> 46:19.920]  to be employed by the city of Plano. The city of Plano is one of Texas's largest cities
[46:19.920 --> 46:30.960]  and it's in the county of the richest county in Texas. So in fact there are 483 staff members
[46:30.960 --> 46:38.720]  in the police department. 268 of those are police officers shown to be making about $73,000
[46:38.720 --> 46:44.160]  a year. I would guess that those are the main ones but there's somewhere between 300 and
[46:44.160 --> 46:51.280]  500 police staff. Would you care to guess how many of these people have the certifications
[46:51.280 --> 46:57.040]  where they can legally enforce the traffic code that work for the city of Plano? I would
[46:57.040 --> 47:06.240]  say probably a big donut hole. You're not far off Eddie. Six. There are six. Six of
[47:06.240 --> 47:14.120]  them. I have them by name here. Okay. Now how many officers throughout the other smaller
[47:14.120 --> 47:20.680]  cities, the ones that don't have so much money to spend on training, the ones that are little
[47:20.680 --> 47:26.240]  podunk cities, what percentage of those police officers do you think are qualified under
[47:26.240 --> 47:35.280]  the traffic code? Again I'd say slim to none. Anyway that's all I've got. I just wanted
[47:35.280 --> 47:43.600]  to point that out. Well I appreciate that. Thanks Ken. Okay good night now. Good night.
[47:43.600 --> 47:48.760]  Okay we're going now to Michael in Maryland. All right Michael thanks for calling in. What's
[47:48.760 --> 47:55.520]  on your mind tonight? Hey good evening you two. Let's see I'm getting caught up on archives
[47:55.520 --> 48:02.800]  and Eddie I am very intrigued to the point almost of being fired up about what I think
[48:02.800 --> 48:07.320]  you referred to as your book. I was wondering if you could update me. I'm sorry if this
[48:07.320 --> 48:13.360]  asks you to repeat yourself of anything you've reported since I think it's the 24th was the
[48:13.360 --> 48:18.160]  last archive I listened to here where you started to elaborate on things. Especially
[48:18.160 --> 48:23.600]  it struck a chord with me that when the police officer steps up to the plate in the courtroom
[48:23.600 --> 48:28.920]  and tries to act both as the accuser and the witness that's a big fat no no. But I was
[48:28.920 --> 48:32.560]  wondering if there are any updates to the progress on that and when it might be available
[48:32.560 --> 48:39.160]  and any cost you were planning to charge for that barring some sky high price. I'm certainly
[48:39.160 --> 48:44.080]  in line to buy a copy. So I'll hang up and listen to what you have to say. I'm not looking
[48:44.080 --> 48:51.840]  forward to it. Thanks a lot folks. All right thank you. Well specifically depends on which
[48:51.840 --> 48:54.880]  of the two books you're referring to. I'm starting a second one right now that's going
[48:54.880 --> 49:01.320]  to be dealing with criminal due process and procedure. And then the other one of course
[49:01.320 --> 49:07.440]  is the one for the traffic law seminar. There have been a few updates done to the book that
[49:07.440 --> 49:11.320]  I'm trying to finish right now because I've actually got several people that are waiting
[49:11.320 --> 49:17.760]  on me to get that done to send the disk to them with the update. So my apologies to you
[49:17.760 --> 49:22.200]  that are listening that know you sent me a request for an update on that and it hasn't
[49:22.200 --> 49:26.160]  come yet. I'm trying to make sure I've got a PowerPoint presentation I'm trying to do
[49:26.160 --> 49:30.560]  to go with the book over certain sections especially the one involving the driver's
[49:30.560 --> 49:37.760]  license. The purpose of the PowerPoint presentation not only is to allow you to demonstrate to
[49:37.760 --> 49:44.120]  other folks in question what the law says and how it can specifically be used to defend
[49:44.120 --> 49:50.160]  yourself in court. But you can also take it down, stick it in the face of your local legislator
[49:50.160 --> 49:59.960]  at his office and ask him, hey, are you aware that I'm being accosted, assaulted, kidnapped
[49:59.960 --> 50:04.680]  and defrauded every single time a traffic ticket is issued to me because I don't have
[50:04.680 --> 50:11.400]  your stupid driver's license? So if you've actually bought the seminar material which
[50:11.400 --> 50:17.640]  is $250 on the website and it's basically the book, the audio and with the video when
[50:17.640 --> 50:24.600]  you finally get the video updated and done and the court documents and everything that
[50:24.600 --> 50:30.120]  are specific to the Texas but are easily adaptable if you can do the research to the statutes
[50:30.120 --> 50:35.600]  in your state. And it's all in there. Once you buy the package, you never have to buy
[50:35.600 --> 50:41.800]  it again. Any updates we do to it, you automatically inherit. All you have to do is just contact
[50:41.800 --> 50:46.960]  Deborah or a download ID and everything when the updates have been posted and she will
[50:46.960 --> 50:55.440]  mail you, email you an ID and password to go out and download the updates to the package.
[50:55.440 --> 51:02.120]  So I hope that answers your question. The officer as far as in the courtroom, there
[51:02.120 --> 51:06.680]  are many, many ways that that's a problem because they actually convert the officer
[51:06.680 --> 51:12.640]  from the accuser when they put him on the stand. He's no longer the accuser. He becomes
[51:12.640 --> 51:20.880]  the witness. Now, that in and of itself as you said has inherent problems because now
[51:20.880 --> 51:28.060]  the state is assuming the role of the one that allegedly was harmed and not only harmed
[51:28.060 --> 51:33.800]  but is now using the officer as the witness to facilitate their accusation that they are
[51:33.800 --> 51:41.080]  now being put in the place as being the instigator of. So the complaintant has actually changed
[51:41.080 --> 51:49.160]  the witness who was originally acting as the complaintant on behalf of who is now the complaintant
[51:49.160 --> 51:55.640]  is now suddenly a witness for the complaintant and it's just, it's a quagmire. It really
[51:55.640 --> 52:00.280]  is. It's a difficult concept to muster when you think about, well, how did he get from
[52:00.280 --> 52:06.080]  being the guy that was accusing me of it but having no other witnesses to the act other
[52:06.080 --> 52:12.000]  than his own to now the state's going to be the one accusing you and then the guy that
[52:12.000 --> 52:17.960]  made the accusation is the one that gets to testify against you as a witness. And so you're
[52:17.960 --> 52:24.120]  not actually allowed to sit down and go toe to toe and rebut him. You have to now rebut
[52:24.120 --> 52:29.560]  two when only one of them has personal first-hand knowledge. It's stupid but it's the way they've
[52:29.560 --> 52:36.640]  got it set up. And believe it or not, it is unique to class C misdemeanor offenses and
[52:36.640 --> 52:40.840]  other, well, not class C, but misdemeanor offenses. It really, really is.
[52:40.840 --> 52:45.200]  It's because it's a big money scam. That's why it's a racket.
[52:45.200 --> 52:46.520]  That's pretty much what it is, all right.
[52:46.520 --> 52:55.600]  It's all about the revenue. That's why the old-timers used to call these folks the revenuers.
[52:55.600 --> 52:59.840]  But I hope that answers your question on what you need to know. If it doesn't, then please
[52:59.840 --> 53:06.320]  send me an email and clarify it because obviously I've misunderstood you. But if you'll send
[53:06.320 --> 53:10.280]  me an email, if it's not what you wanted to know, then I'll reply back to that.
[53:10.280 --> 53:15.040]  Okay. All right. We're going to more callers now. We've got a first-time caller, Liz in
[53:15.040 --> 53:19.320]  Texas. Liz, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[53:19.320 --> 53:23.920]  Hello, you guys. First of all, I just wanted to tell you that your show is fabulous. All
[53:23.920 --> 53:28.800]  the information that you give out is really great, first of all. Second of all, I heard
[53:28.800 --> 53:32.960]  you guys talking, I think it was a week ago or two weeks ago when you were talking about
[53:32.960 --> 53:42.600]  being able to sue corporations and how corporations were getting out of the legal system. So what
[53:42.600 --> 53:50.680]  I wanted to know is, is there any way that we can do like a class action lawsuit, and
[53:50.680 --> 53:57.480]  right now would be a great time to go after like BP and Halliburton for environmental
[53:57.480 --> 54:06.120]  terrorism and throw like the whole Patriot Act at them and, you know, seize their assets
[54:06.120 --> 54:11.280]  and get them all back? Is that possible with the big populist movement?
[54:11.280 --> 54:18.200]  Well, there's one issue at stake here, Liz, when it comes to civil lawsuits, and that
[54:18.200 --> 54:25.480]  is the issue of standing. The way our judicial system works right now, in order to successfully
[54:25.480 --> 54:30.520]  be able to sue somebody and not be a frivolous lawsuit or sue a corporation, you have to
[54:30.520 --> 54:36.640]  have what's called standing, which means you have to be an injured party. And so like people
[54:36.640 --> 54:43.120]  like us who are way up here in Austin, well, we haven't been injured, at least not yet.
[54:43.120 --> 54:48.600]  Now the hurricane comes and picks up all the oil in the water and dumps it on Austin, well,
[54:48.600 --> 54:53.040]  then we might have standing, but you have to be an injured party in order to be able
[54:53.040 --> 54:58.480]  to sue someone and have a proper cause of action. Now, as far as going after them for
[54:58.480 --> 55:04.640]  environmental crimes, that would be something that would be on the criminal side of law,
[55:04.640 --> 55:10.480]  not the civil side of law, and so that's something that we would have to pressure the U.S. attorney
[55:10.480 --> 55:15.880]  to do. So that's my comments on the matter. Eddie, do you want to further comment?
[55:15.880 --> 55:21.840]  Yes, if I may. There is a possibility. It really depends on what the courts say or do
[55:21.840 --> 55:26.880]  in regard to that, but here's the situation. Deborah's right about the courts demanding
[55:26.880 --> 55:34.000]  that you have standing. However, I think that when you consider that this is an environmental
[55:34.000 --> 55:40.720]  impact issue, because this affects the food chain, this affects seafood availability,
[55:40.720 --> 55:50.840]  this affects bird life, this affects the ecosystem at the most basic level, that affects everybody.
[55:50.840 --> 55:57.120]  So there is a way for you to imply and implicate the system as a whole that you were harmed
[55:57.120 --> 56:03.600]  because this is an environmental issue. The environment affects everyone. You don't have
[56:03.600 --> 56:10.600]  to live on Three Mile Island to suffer from the effects of something that happens there,
[56:10.600 --> 56:16.000]  for instance. If it killed off all the seafood in that area for the next 10 years, what does
[56:16.000 --> 56:20.040]  that do to the economic markets? What does it do to the availability of the food? What
[56:20.040 --> 56:24.560]  happens if you happen to be one of the consumers that gets a hold of food that was poisoned
[56:24.560 --> 56:29.160]  by what went on there and so on and so forth? There is a possibility. The question is what
[56:29.160 --> 56:34.400]  are the courts going to demand that you show the link to achieve the standing? That's where
[56:34.400 --> 56:37.240]  the issue is going to come in. That's going to be the hard part.
[56:37.240 --> 56:46.240]  Well, being that they've been neglectful in the cleanup completely, isn't that enough?
[56:46.240 --> 56:51.760]  Well you would think so, just like you would think that when we have a president that isn't
[56:51.760 --> 56:58.760]  constitutional that any citizen would have standing to challenge it. I mean, after all,
[56:58.760 --> 56:59.760]  it's our constitution.
[56:59.760 --> 57:07.400]  Well, see, certainly business owners along the coast, property owners along the coast,
[57:07.400 --> 57:13.920]  people who are getting sick from this poison car exit along the coast, these sorts of individuals
[57:13.920 --> 57:20.360]  and property owners and business owners, they absolutely have standing and the lawsuits
[57:20.360 --> 57:28.600]  are already mounting against BP from these entities. BP is already looking at tens of
[57:28.600 --> 57:34.520]  billions of dollars at having to pay out in lawsuits.
[57:34.520 --> 57:40.980]  I guess I was just looking for a more like something that we could unify as a country
[57:40.980 --> 57:47.440]  or we the people are behind for these people because obviously the government has been
[57:47.440 --> 57:53.480]  so negligent on every major disaster there is and most of the disasters have been natural
[57:53.480 --> 57:58.800]  so there's no, you know, you can't, what, sue God? Okay, well this has a name to it.
[57:58.800 --> 58:07.040]  Right, well I think environmental crimes would be a good way to go after them if we can get
[58:07.040 --> 58:12.240]  the government to go after them. But yeah, the issue of standing is very difficult.
[58:12.240 --> 58:17.760]  How do we make government do that because the government is not going to want...
[58:17.760 --> 58:23.040]  Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's going to be very difficult to force the government
[58:23.040 --> 58:27.400]  to go after them in a criminal matter and for us to go after them in a civil matter
[58:27.400 --> 58:35.240]  we have to find a standing and Eddie may be on to something. Do you want to hold on to
[58:35.240 --> 58:39.720]  the other side of the break, Liz? I would love to. My battery might die. I can call
[58:39.720 --> 58:43.640]  you back. Okay, okay. If you want to call us back, that's fine. We've got a three minute
[58:43.640 --> 58:49.680]  break coming right up. Okay, we'll be right back on the other side. This is the rule of
[58:49.680 --> 58:55.720]  law. We've got Eddie Craig, I'm Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton tends the night off. We'll be
[58:55.720 --> 59:23.720]  right back on the other side of the break.
[59:23.720 --> 59:49.080]  Thank you.
[59:49.080 --> 01:00:04.840]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:10.120]  Israel deported 19 activists arrested on the Rachel Khoury, an Irish ship taking aid to
[01:00:10.120 --> 01:00:15.160]  the Gaza Strip and accused the previous aid convoy of harboring mercenaries who attacked
[01:00:15.160 --> 01:00:16.540]  Israeli forces.
[01:00:16.540 --> 01:00:21.640]  The Rachel Khoury was the last ship of the Gaza aid flotilla, arriving five days after
[01:00:21.640 --> 01:00:28.920]  the storming of the first six ships in which nine passengers were killed by Israeli commandos.
[01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:34.000]  Tony Haywood, BP's chief executive, says he does not fear going to jail and is vowed
[01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.800]  to be still in his job a year from now.
[01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.960]  Barack Obama piled further pressure on BP Friday by warning the company all to think
[01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:47.520]  about its moral and ethical obligations when deciding whether to pay a $10 billion dividend
[01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:49.840]  to shareholders.
[01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:55.480]  Amnesty International says the U.S. used cluster bombs on a cruise missile in Yemen, killing
[01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.400]  55 people, most of whom were civilians.
[01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:03.520]  Amnesty cited a Yemeni parliamentary committee as reporting in February that the attack had
[01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:11.160]  killed 14 women and 21 children, plus 14 alleged militants.
[01:01:11.160 --> 01:01:16.000]  Halliburton's campaign donations have spiked as it tries to curry favor with key members
[01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:19.720]  of Congress investigating the BP oil disaster.
[01:01:19.720 --> 01:01:25.480]  The website Politico says the company donated $17,000 in May, with half the contributions
[01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:30.280]  going to members of Congress who are on committees with oversight of the oil spill.
[01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:35.960]  According to the Center for Responsive Politics, BP lobbyists have spent $30 million to influence
[01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.480]  legislation since January 2008.
[01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:44.840]  BP and other oil companies gave Mississippi Governor Haley Barber $1.8 million for his
[01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:50.360]  campaign and Barber has aggressively downplayed the disaster and encouraged people to visit
[01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.360]  his state's oily beaches.
[01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:58.120]  Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell traveled to a BP-funded conference last month to lobby
[01:01:58.120 --> 01:02:02.400]  aggressively to drill for oil and natural gas without delay.
[01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:08.360]  Meanwhile, Texas Governor Rick Perry called the spill an act of God at a trade association
[01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.160]  funded by BP in May.
[01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:17.680]  Afghan mercenaries who escort U.S. and NATO convoys through the Badlands are widely known
[01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:20.400]  to bribe the Taliban to let them pass.
[01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.600]  After two bloody confrontations with Afghan civilians, two of the biggest private security
[01:02:24.600 --> 01:02:29.320]  companies, Weytan Risk Management and Compass Security, were banned from escorting NATO
[01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:30.320]  convoys.
[01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.480]  The same day, a NATO supply convoy came under attack.
[01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.800]  An Afghan driver and a soldier were killed and a truck burned.
[01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:41.400]  In two weeks, with more than 1,000 trucks stalled on the highway, the Afghan government
[01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.040]  granted Weytan and Compass permission to resume.
[01:02:44.040 --> 01:02:48.200]  Investigators suspect some of these security companies, many of which have ties to top
[01:02:48.200 --> 01:02:53.600]  Afghan officials, were using tens of millions in U.S. taxpayer dollars to bribe the Taliban.
[01:02:53.600 --> 01:02:57.680]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:02:57.680 --> 01:03:08.960]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
[01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:13.960]  talk radio at its best.
[01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:31.320]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty, I read his book and he says he cares not for
[01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:43.720]  the unsightly, These warm hungers come by that term rightly,
[01:03:43.720 --> 01:03:50.400]  I won't pay for the war with my body, Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money,
[01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:57.160]  I won't pay for the fun with my body, Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy,
[01:03:57.160 --> 01:04:03.920]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body, I won't pay for the boys with my money,
[01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:11.520]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body, The whole agenda smells funny,
[01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:22.360]  I wanna fight in a war of my own, That one would be let back to the throne,
[01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:33.880]  I wanna pay for the war with my body, I wanna pay for the fun with my money,
[01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:40.880]  That one would be let back to the throne, I wanna pay for the war with my money,
[01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:50.080]  That one would be let back to the throne, I wanna pay for the kids with my money,
[01:04:50.080 --> 01:05:00.400]  That one would be let back to the throne, I wanna pay for the fun with my money,
[01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:08.120]  That one would be let back to the throne, I wanna fight in a war of my own,
[01:05:08.120 --> 01:05:20.800]  That one would be let back to the throne, I wanna pay for the kids with my money,
[01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:36.680]  That one would be let back to the throne, I wanna pay for the fun with my money,
[01:05:36.680 --> 01:05:42.980]  The person holds a driver's license issued under the chapter Section 521.025,
[01:05:42.980 --> 01:05:46.740]  license to be carried and exhibited on demand criminal penalty.
[01:05:46.740 --> 01:05:53.220]  A person required to hold a license under 521.021 shall one have
[01:05:53.220 --> 01:05:56.740]  in the person's possession while operating motor vehicle,
[01:05:56.740 --> 01:06:00.140]  the class of driver's license appropriate for the type of vehicle operated
[01:06:00.140 --> 01:06:05.500]  and to display the license on demand of a magistrate court officer or officer.
[01:06:05.500 --> 01:06:09.940]  B, a peace officer may stop and detain a person operating a motor vehicle
[01:06:09.940 --> 01:06:15.420]  to determine if the person has a driver's license as required by this section.
[01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:18.300]  C, a person who violates this section commits an offense.
[01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:21.740]  An offense under this subsection is a misdemeanor punishable by fine
[01:06:21.740 --> 01:06:23.500]  not to exceed $200.
[01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:26.700]  And then it just gives some minutiae details.
[01:06:26.700 --> 01:06:30.060]  So, okay, so Eddie, what is your take on this?
[01:06:30.060 --> 01:06:34.820]  It does kind of look like it says, and it does say a peace officer may stop
[01:06:34.820 --> 01:06:38.140]  and detain a person operating a motor vehicle to determine
[01:06:38.140 --> 01:06:40.460]  if the person has a driver's license as required.
[01:06:40.460 --> 01:06:42.260]  So, Eddie, what is your take on this?
[01:06:42.260 --> 01:06:46.340]  It's absolutely correct with a caveat, okay?
[01:06:46.340 --> 01:06:50.620]  As I replied back to Daniel, this is my reply back to Daniel.
[01:06:50.620 --> 01:06:54.580]  You are correct in the reading of the statutes, however, you are assuming
[01:06:54.580 --> 01:06:59.340]  that these particular statutes apply to all that travel when in fact they do not.
[01:06:59.340 --> 01:07:01.180]  The three forms of the driver's license
[01:07:01.180 --> 01:07:04.860]  under Chapter 521 are nothing more than temporary forms
[01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:09.220]  of the commercial driver's license issued under Chapter 522.
[01:07:09.220 --> 01:07:13.060]  If you look at the specific individual sections within Chapter 521
[01:07:13.060 --> 01:07:15.580]  that deals with each temporary form of the license,
[01:07:15.580 --> 01:07:20.900]  i.e. temporary license or learner's permit and an occupational license,
[01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:25.020]  you can plainly see to whom these temporary licenses apply.
[01:07:25.020 --> 01:07:28.260]  The reasoning here being that simply having possession of a license
[01:07:28.260 --> 01:07:32.780]  does not automatically implicate one in the act of actually using that license.
[01:07:32.780 --> 01:07:35.740]  For instance, if you are traveling on vacation with your family,
[01:07:35.740 --> 01:07:38.300]  then you are not actively engaging in commerce
[01:07:38.300 --> 01:07:41.500]  and are not using that license even if you have one.
[01:07:41.500 --> 01:07:44.980]  If you are not engaging in an act for which the license is required,
[01:07:44.980 --> 01:07:48.980]  then the production of the license upon demand for some unrelated activity
[01:07:48.980 --> 01:07:51.620]  is neither required nor lawful.
[01:07:51.620 --> 01:07:54.900]  If, however, you are driving a taxi cab or a Greyhound bus,
[01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:58.580]  then you are engaging in an activity for which such a license is required
[01:07:58.580 --> 01:08:02.820]  and you must be able to produce it upon demand while engaging in that activity.
[01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:04.380]  I hope that this makes sense to you.
[01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:05.620]  If you have any further questions,
[01:08:05.620 --> 01:08:09.940]  then please feel free to email back directly at this address.
[01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:12.660]  So that's what it is, Daniel.
[01:08:12.660 --> 01:08:17.100]  The statutes do apply to those that are required to have the license
[01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:21.820]  and they must produce it upon demand to show that they have the license
[01:08:21.820 --> 01:08:25.980]  that allows them to engage in that particular activity.
[01:08:25.980 --> 01:08:30.820]  However, we the people do not have to have that license.
[01:08:30.820 --> 01:08:35.180]  If you look at 521 and 522 and read them beginning to end,
[01:08:35.180 --> 01:08:39.660]  it will become very, very clear that those are the same license.
[01:08:39.660 --> 01:08:42.900]  It's a commercial driver's license.
[01:08:42.900 --> 01:08:48.780]  The only difference is that one actually says CDL and the other one doesn't.
[01:08:48.780 --> 01:08:53.740]  The CDL is the only one that can operate a motor vehicle
[01:08:53.740 --> 01:08:56.620]  bearing a hazardous materials placard
[01:08:56.620 --> 01:09:00.740]  is the way the statutes appear to have it set up.
[01:09:00.740 --> 01:09:03.780]  The other license is still a commercial license.
[01:09:03.780 --> 01:09:06.700]  You can operate the exact same set of vehicles
[01:09:06.700 --> 01:09:10.380]  under both Chapter 521 and Chapter 522.
[01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:12.340]  If you have a Class A license,
[01:09:12.340 --> 01:09:15.020]  you can operate every vehicle in the Class A list
[01:09:15.020 --> 01:09:19.180]  that is under the commercial driver's license in 522.
[01:09:19.180 --> 01:09:25.660]  They are identical from top to bottom what you can operate with that license.
[01:09:25.660 --> 01:09:30.220]  Now, Eddie, isn't there also an issue concerning with the CDL?
[01:09:30.220 --> 01:09:32.260]  I think you were mentioning in the seminar,
[01:09:32.260 --> 01:09:36.540]  and just correct me if I'm wrong or explain this also,
[01:09:36.540 --> 01:09:41.500]  but it seemed to me like there was the example of say like a limo driver
[01:09:41.500 --> 01:09:48.140]  who works for a limo company just uses the same kind of standard driver's license,
[01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:52.300]  which is a commercial driver's license that most people have,
[01:09:52.300 --> 01:09:54.860]  thinking that it's just a regular license to travel.
[01:09:54.860 --> 01:09:59.900]  However, if you wanted to operate a cab where you're running your own business
[01:09:59.900 --> 01:10:02.860]  and you are directly soliciting to the public
[01:10:02.860 --> 01:10:07.140]  and the public would be paying you directly for your services,
[01:10:07.140 --> 01:10:10.140]  then in that situation, a CDL is required.
[01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:12.820]  But in the case of a limo driver working for the company,
[01:10:12.820 --> 01:10:15.820]  they don't need a CDL, is that correct?
[01:10:15.820 --> 01:10:18.300]  Well, no, because by definition,
[01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:21.780]  a taxicab driver does not bear a hazardous materials placard.
[01:10:21.780 --> 01:10:25.020]  The taxicab driver can still use a non-CDL.
[01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:27.740]  That's called a chauffeur's license.
[01:10:27.740 --> 01:10:31.460]  And in Texas law, there is an operator's license,
[01:10:31.460 --> 01:10:34.980]  a commercial operator's license, and a chauffeur's license.
[01:10:34.980 --> 01:10:39.300]  Those are the three actual licenses in Texas.
[01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:40.620]  They're all the same thing.
[01:10:40.620 --> 01:10:42.620]  They're all a commercial license.
[01:10:42.620 --> 01:10:47.940]  It's just each one designates a particular type of commercial activity
[01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:50.380]  that that license is valid for.
[01:10:50.380 --> 01:10:55.980]  An operator of a taxicab does not have licensed authority
[01:10:55.980 --> 01:11:00.500]  to operate a commercial motor vehicle such as a tanker truck
[01:11:00.500 --> 01:11:03.740]  if that tanker is hauling hazardous materials.
[01:11:03.740 --> 01:11:04.860]  Okay.
[01:11:04.860 --> 01:11:07.100]  All right, so that's the difference.
[01:11:07.100 --> 01:11:10.700]  But would they, but like a taxicab driver wouldn't necessarily need
[01:11:10.700 --> 01:11:14.540]  a different kind of a license other than like a chauffeur?
[01:11:14.540 --> 01:11:18.100]  A chauffeur's license can operate any vehicle
[01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:20.460]  except for one with a hazardous materials placard.
[01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:22.180]  Okay.
[01:11:22.180 --> 01:11:26.340]  That's at least within the same class as what his chauffeur's license is for.
[01:11:26.340 --> 01:11:29.460]  Man, they are really hosing the public, Eddie.
[01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:30.660]  Yes, they are.
[01:11:30.660 --> 01:11:31.580]  No question about it.
[01:11:31.580 --> 01:11:33.740]  It's outrageous.
[01:11:33.740 --> 01:11:40.300]  Okay, so the answer is that if you're engaged in this type of commercial activity
[01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:45.060]  for which a license is required, then yes, you have to show it upon demand.
[01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:50.060]  And yes, they can pull you over just for the purpose of making sure
[01:11:50.060 --> 01:11:52.980]  that you actually do have a driver's license to do that.
[01:11:52.980 --> 01:11:57.820]  But if you're traveling, then none of that applies to you at all.
[01:11:57.820 --> 01:12:02.740]  And the officers, the very first question they should be asking,
[01:12:02.740 --> 01:12:07.220]  the very first determination they should be making is whether or not
[01:12:07.220 --> 01:12:12.340]  you are operating a motor vehicle or if you're traveling.
[01:12:12.340 --> 01:12:12.900]  That's correct.
[01:12:12.900 --> 01:12:15.260]  That should be the first thing they ask.
[01:12:15.260 --> 01:12:17.340]  That should be the first thing that they find out.
[01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:20.860]  And if they find out that you're not engaged in commercial activity,
[01:12:20.860 --> 01:12:23.220]  that you're not operating a motor vehicle,
[01:12:23.220 --> 01:12:27.380]  that you are simply one of we the people who is traveling,
[01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:29.540]  then they're going to let you go.
[01:12:29.540 --> 01:12:32.580]  That's just all there is to it.
[01:12:32.580 --> 01:12:36.340]  Yeah, I mean, in this particular case, they would be justified
[01:12:36.340 --> 01:12:40.300]  if you have plates and stickers and everything else on your car.
[01:12:40.300 --> 01:12:45.420]  The officer would be justified in asking you what you're doing.
[01:12:45.420 --> 01:12:48.580]  And the purpose of that would be to ascertain whether or not
[01:12:48.580 --> 01:12:53.460]  you are currently doing something that would involve you in commerce,
[01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:55.100]  requiring you to have that license,
[01:12:55.100 --> 01:12:59.180]  because you've clearly got your car marked as commercial ready.
[01:12:59.180 --> 01:13:01.780]  Yeah, really, because you've got the license plates
[01:13:01.780 --> 01:13:04.020]  and inspection stickers and everything else.
[01:13:04.020 --> 01:13:07.900]  So, yeah, the officer would, he would have a legitimate cause
[01:13:07.900 --> 01:13:11.700]  to ask you, are you operating a motor vehicle right now?
[01:13:11.700 --> 01:13:12.820]  Are you engaged in commerce?
[01:13:12.820 --> 01:13:17.140]  Because your car sure is ready for it, you know, it's obvious,
[01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:22.420]  even if it's not marked, you know, with a business on the outside or something.
[01:13:22.420 --> 01:13:24.500]  But then when he finds out that you're...
[01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:27.460]  Using it as a rolling billboard, that's a whole different matter.
[01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:32.380]  That in and of itself is not engaging in commerce, requiring a license.
[01:13:32.380 --> 01:13:35.580]  You can use, you can advertise a business on your car.
[01:13:35.580 --> 01:13:42.260]  But if you're using that thing for the purpose of, say, delivering parts
[01:13:42.260 --> 01:13:45.820]  or catering, you know, something of that nature,
[01:13:45.820 --> 01:13:48.020]  then you are using it for the purpose of commerce,
[01:13:48.020 --> 01:13:50.780]  at least while that activity is in progress.
[01:13:50.780 --> 01:13:53.100]  I see. Right.
[01:13:53.100 --> 01:13:57.180]  So, like, say, if your car, you have a catering business
[01:13:57.180 --> 01:14:01.020]  and you've got the catering company's name on the outside of the car,
[01:14:01.020 --> 01:14:03.620]  well, then you could either just be using it
[01:14:03.620 --> 01:14:05.940]  as a rolling billboard while you're traveling,
[01:14:05.940 --> 01:14:11.700]  or you might actually be involved in active commerce on the roadways.
[01:14:11.700 --> 01:14:12.980]  So, certainly in that situation...
[01:14:12.980 --> 01:14:15.860]  Yeah, like, if you've got a load you're going to a party with and everything,
[01:14:15.860 --> 01:14:17.940]  then you are actively engaging in commerce.
[01:14:17.940 --> 01:14:20.940]  Right. And so in that situation, certainly it would be reasonable
[01:14:20.940 --> 01:14:24.780]  for a police officer, if you wanted to, to pull you over and find
[01:14:24.780 --> 01:14:27.340]  out if you have a license to do that.
[01:14:27.340 --> 01:14:28.500]  Right. Okay.
[01:14:28.500 --> 01:14:34.740]  But if you're just going to visit grandparents or something with the kids
[01:14:34.740 --> 01:14:37.940]  and using the company car, well, then no.
[01:14:37.940 --> 01:14:39.180]  It's just a rolling billboard.
[01:14:39.180 --> 01:14:40.460]  You're not engaged in commerce.
[01:14:40.460 --> 01:14:43.060]  And they go let you go and they can't demand to see your license.
[01:14:43.060 --> 01:14:45.100]  So that's the answer to the question.
[01:14:45.100 --> 01:14:50.420]  You don't have to show your ID unless you've been arrested.
[01:14:50.420 --> 01:14:52.740]  And, okay, so now we're going to go to the calls.
[01:14:52.740 --> 01:14:57.340]  We've got end callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[01:14:57.340 --> 01:14:59.180]  We've got Eric in North Carolina.
[01:14:59.180 --> 01:15:00.300]  Eric, thanks for calling in.
[01:15:00.300 --> 01:15:01.500]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:03.140]  Hey, thanks again for your show.
[01:15:03.140 --> 01:15:08.500]  I try to keep track of or learn as much as I can by listening to the archives.
[01:15:08.500 --> 01:15:14.900]  But last Saturday in North Carolina, I drove up on a police roadblock.
[01:15:14.900 --> 01:15:17.580]  They were just checking licenses.
[01:15:17.580 --> 01:15:21.220]  And when they asked me for a license, I questioned them
[01:15:21.220 --> 01:15:26.860]  about being under arrest and detention and just continued until the rookie
[01:15:26.860 --> 01:15:31.620]  that started asked me if I wanted to talk to the supervisor.
[01:15:31.620 --> 01:15:36.260]  And the sergeant came up, I asked, am I free to go?
[01:15:36.260 --> 01:15:37.620]  And he said, yes.
[01:15:37.620 --> 01:15:38.980]  Well, I left.
[01:15:38.980 --> 01:15:46.660]  And now I'm planning to go to the police department and speak to the chief
[01:15:46.660 --> 01:15:51.500]  and object to them doing roadblocks like this.
[01:15:51.500 --> 01:15:54.300]  Did you show them an ID or a license or anything?
[01:15:54.300 --> 01:15:55.740]  I did not show them anything.
[01:15:55.740 --> 01:15:59.740]  All I did was question them and I can give you the whole routine.
[01:15:59.740 --> 01:16:00.820]  Oh, well, that's great.
[01:16:00.820 --> 01:16:04.780]  And so then the sergeant came up and you asked him if you were free to go
[01:16:04.780 --> 01:16:06.900]  and he said, yes, and you never showed him anything.
[01:16:06.900 --> 01:16:07.820]  I never showed him anything.
[01:16:07.820 --> 01:16:08.780]  Well, good for you.
[01:16:08.780 --> 01:16:11.500]  It's about time people started standing up.
[01:16:11.500 --> 01:16:14.260]  Because see, they know what they're doing is wrong.
[01:16:14.260 --> 01:16:17.860]  And when you challenge a model, apparently a lot of times they back down.
[01:16:17.860 --> 01:16:21.020]  Well, I've learned enough from you guys to show that I thought I had to do
[01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:22.780]  that when I got caught in that.
[01:16:22.780 --> 01:16:27.180]  But I'm going to see the chief and I wanted to know if you would have suggestions
[01:16:27.180 --> 01:16:32.100]  about how I can present the thing that they were doing wrong.
[01:16:32.100 --> 01:16:34.380]  What were they saying was the purpose of the roadblock?
[01:16:34.380 --> 01:16:34.980]  The guy had no idea.
[01:16:34.980 --> 01:16:36.140]  The news is coming up for the break.
[01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:38.660]  If you'll hang on, we'll cover that answer on the other side, okay?
[01:16:38.660 --> 01:16:39.500]  Okay, okay.
[01:16:39.500 --> 01:16:45.420]  I suspect it was a sobriety check, not a license check, but we'll find
[01:16:45.420 --> 01:16:46.580]  out when we get on the other side.
[01:16:46.580 --> 01:16:53.380]  And callers, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984, we will be right back.
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[01:17:58.500 --> 01:18:24.220]  Ain't gonna blind me, don't bore me, well, ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick
[01:18:24.220 --> 01:18:25.220]  again.
[01:18:25.220 --> 01:18:34.420]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plans You put the fear in my pocket, snooking money
[01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:39.420]  from my hands Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick
[01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:40.420]  again.
[01:18:40.420 --> 01:18:58.500]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plans You put the fear in my pocket, snooking money
[01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:03.500]  from my hands Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:19:03.500 --> 01:19:08.380]  Checkpoint or what? Well I don't know but I asked the guy that approached me and
[01:19:08.380 --> 01:19:12.860]  asked for my license a couple of times what is the reason for this stop and he
[01:19:12.860 --> 01:19:18.260]  one time he said well because it's a sunny day. What? One time he said well
[01:19:18.260 --> 01:19:22.820]  we're stopping everybody and I kept saying you know am I free to go what is
[01:19:22.820 --> 01:19:27.500]  the reason for this stop am I under arrest am I free to go and he got the
[01:19:27.500 --> 01:19:32.020]  sergeant to come over and and they released me so they were stopping
[01:19:32.020 --> 01:19:38.060]  everybody I don't know why I may have been training. That's not an excuse I
[01:19:38.060 --> 01:19:42.580]  mean best case scenario it could have been a sobriety checkpoint either that
[01:19:42.580 --> 01:19:46.660]  or they're just pulling stuff but without probable cause and in actually
[01:19:46.660 --> 01:19:49.220]  sobriety checkpoints I'm not in agreement with them either because
[01:19:49.220 --> 01:19:53.740]  without probable cause that somebody's committed a crime they can't be pulling
[01:19:53.740 --> 01:19:56.980]  you over and questioning you and demanding ID and searching you and stuff
[01:19:56.980 --> 01:20:01.740]  they can't and it's not an excuse and the courts have even held that it's not
[01:20:01.740 --> 01:20:07.420]  it's it doesn't hold water that they just do it to everybody either. That's
[01:20:07.420 --> 01:20:10.220]  what I'm thinking I'm going to see the chief tomorrow and a friend of mine is
[01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:17.260]  going to be with me as a witness and I want to get your points that you would
[01:20:17.260 --> 01:20:21.180]  bring up if it was you going to object to the chief about stopping everybody
[01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:24.620]  to check license. Okay here's my take on it and then I'm going to let Eddie give
[01:20:24.620 --> 01:20:30.460]  his take. I wouldn't go to the police chief and I'll tell you why because it
[01:20:30.460 --> 01:20:35.540]  doesn't make any sense to me for us to protest and object to the police for
[01:20:35.540 --> 01:20:40.220]  their activities because they are not accountable public servants they're not
[01:20:40.220 --> 01:20:44.660]  elected officials if it was the sheriff's office doing it that would be a
[01:20:44.660 --> 01:20:48.740]  different story but when we have problems with what the police are doing
[01:20:48.740 --> 01:20:54.220]  what we need to be doing is we need to be protesting in front of City Hall we
[01:20:54.220 --> 01:20:59.380]  need to be pressuring City Council that hires the police chief and pressure City
[01:20:59.380 --> 01:21:05.820]  Council into firing them and making City Council is the one that
[01:21:05.820 --> 01:21:10.460]  appoints the police chiefs okay the City Council is the one that needs to be
[01:21:10.460 --> 01:21:15.340]  pressuring the police chief about what they're doing and City Council needs to
[01:21:15.340 --> 01:21:20.220]  hold the police chief accountable to them directly and we hold City Council
[01:21:20.220 --> 01:21:26.180]  accountable to us because the police have no accountability to us they
[01:21:26.180 --> 01:21:31.100]  have they have nothing they owe nothing to us because they're not elected
[01:21:31.100 --> 01:21:35.820]  officials they're appointed by City Council so I would not even deal with
[01:21:35.820 --> 01:21:39.740]  the police at all if they've done something wrong I would file criminal
[01:21:39.740 --> 01:21:43.980]  charges against them with a district attorney and the grand jury I would
[01:21:43.980 --> 01:21:49.020]  pressure City Council and I would file lawsuits I wouldn't even go and try to
[01:21:49.020 --> 01:21:52.440]  talk to them about it at all that's my take on it Eddie what what is your
[01:21:52.440 --> 01:21:59.100]  feelings well I tend to concur basically you need to go crawl down the mayor's
[01:21:59.100 --> 01:22:04.820]  throat not the chief's throat go to the mayor first let him know that he's got
[01:22:04.820 --> 01:22:08.780]  officers on his police force that are violating law I bet you didn't know that
[01:22:08.780 --> 01:22:12.580]  the mayor could yank that chief right out of where he works and make him a
[01:22:12.580 --> 01:22:18.260]  janitor did you well I know the mayor and I know a City Council member okay
[01:22:18.260 --> 01:22:22.020]  yeah you go to them and you let them know that the police department is
[01:22:22.020 --> 01:22:27.220]  violating law by doing what they're doing okay what law well the Supreme
[01:22:27.220 --> 01:22:34.140]  Court has held they can't do what they're doing okay okay Randy was on the
[01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:37.340]  night he could tell you exactly what the case is I'm sure off the top of his head
[01:22:37.340 --> 01:22:40.660]  I don't know what it is specifically though I know I remember I've read it
[01:22:40.660 --> 01:22:45.660]  okay I read like 500 in the last three weeks this mayor is very sensitive to
[01:22:45.660 --> 01:22:52.420]  public objections yeah I would I would definitely bring it to his attention
[01:22:52.420 --> 01:22:56.740]  that what they're doing according to the Supreme Court is violated of personal
[01:22:56.740 --> 01:23:02.860]  rights and liberty they're not allowed to create mass sobriety stops or license
[01:23:02.860 --> 01:23:06.580]  checkpoints and so on and so forth are just not allowed to do it and they're
[01:23:06.580 --> 01:23:12.300]  doing it anyway yeah there has to be a significant public safety reason they're
[01:23:12.300 --> 01:23:17.340]  doing it they're looking for an escaped convict a bank robber you know something
[01:23:17.340 --> 01:23:23.340]  of that so no it was on a side street they were just doing routine how do they
[01:23:23.340 --> 01:23:28.220]  do routine on a side was it a roadblock they weren't stopping you know it was
[01:23:28.220 --> 01:23:32.420]  not a dragnet it was just this one stop in this one side street well was it a
[01:23:32.420 --> 01:23:37.180]  roadblock on a side street yes a residential side street so they were
[01:23:37.180 --> 01:23:41.100]  stopping everybody going to and from a residence everybody and asking for
[01:23:41.100 --> 01:23:47.380]  driver's license I asked him twice what is the reason for this stop and he had
[01:23:47.380 --> 01:23:54.780]  no reason they were probably looking for somebody and didn't want to say or they
[01:23:54.780 --> 01:23:59.460]  are who knows who knows but they're not allowed to do that and you may want to
[01:23:59.460 --> 01:24:05.620]  read the transportation code in your state to find out specifically under what
[01:24:05.620 --> 01:24:12.700]  circumstances they are authorized to stop people right okay but like what Eddie is
[01:24:12.700 --> 01:24:17.660]  saying Supreme Court have ruled that they can't just do these mass dragnet
[01:24:17.660 --> 01:24:23.740]  things for situations for the purposes of just in general checking everyone's
[01:24:23.740 --> 01:24:28.820]  ID or or checking for sobriety even though they do it anyway I can sure
[01:24:28.820 --> 01:24:32.260]  crawl down the mayor's throat yeah I wouldn't even bother with the police
[01:24:32.260 --> 01:24:36.460]  chief they're not accountable to us I've never heard of a police chief that is
[01:24:36.460 --> 01:24:40.900]  an elected official they're generally always appointed by State Council or the
[01:24:40.900 --> 01:24:45.580]  mayor we need to go we need to hold the people accountable to us that actually
[01:24:45.580 --> 01:24:51.540]  are accountable to us because going and fighting with the police is not going to
[01:24:51.540 --> 01:24:56.100]  do us any good I mean number one either you're just going to get yourself in
[01:24:56.100 --> 01:25:01.660]  more trouble and get yourself arrested or or they'll just give you lip service
[01:25:01.660 --> 01:25:06.340]  and blow you off and not do anything and then there's no way to hold them
[01:25:06.340 --> 01:25:09.460]  accountable because they're not elected officials like I said it was a sheriff's
[01:25:09.460 --> 01:25:14.500]  department it would be a whole different story but yeah you need to crawl down the
[01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:21.140]  mayor's throat and see council over this okay I'll do that all right good deal
[01:25:21.140 --> 01:25:27.540]  Eric you keep up the good fight thank you okay we are now going to Dan in
[01:25:27.540 --> 01:25:33.260]  Texas Dan thanks for calling in what's on your mind tonight yes can you hear me
[01:25:33.260 --> 01:25:39.300]  Deborah yes go ahead Dan hi how are you doing okay one of the reasons I was
[01:25:39.300 --> 01:25:41.900]  calling was near the beginning of the program I thought I heard Eddie you
[01:25:41.900 --> 01:25:46.380]  mentioned one stat 23 the first act of the first Congress the United States
[01:25:46.380 --> 01:25:52.100]  with the oath requirements that they imposed that's correct Eddie if you look
[01:25:52.100 --> 01:25:57.460]  it's found today in title four at section 101 and 102 the United States Code and
[01:25:57.460 --> 01:26:01.580]  it's been in there since the original United States Code was started in the 20
[01:26:01.580 --> 01:26:06.940]  if you look at earlier volumes of the United States Code before 1947 the
[01:26:06.940 --> 01:26:13.060]  footnote reference is one stat 23 if after 1947 if you look at later volumes
[01:26:13.060 --> 01:26:19.260]  of the United States Code the reference is the 61 stat chapter 389 the reason
[01:26:19.260 --> 01:26:23.660]  for that change is because a group called the office of law revision council
[01:26:23.660 --> 01:26:27.540]  that sounds very much like this Texas office you were talking about whose job
[01:26:27.540 --> 01:26:31.620]  it is to amend the laws or not so much to amend them but to clean them up
[01:26:31.620 --> 01:26:36.180]  basically submitted it to Congress and there was unanimous vote that's recorded
[01:26:36.180 --> 01:26:41.380]  at 61 stat chapter 389 and so what this really effectively means is that that
[01:26:41.380 --> 01:26:45.780]  law has been passed twice by the original Congress person by a modern
[01:26:45.780 --> 01:26:51.940]  Congress in 1947 also part of the duty of that office of law revision council
[01:26:51.940 --> 01:26:57.380]  is to periodically review as a law even the positive law titles if there's been
[01:26:57.380 --> 01:27:01.820]  any ambiguities or archaic provisions or anything that's affected them they're
[01:27:01.820 --> 01:27:06.900]  supposed to recommend changes to the United States Congress and they haven't
[01:27:06.900 --> 01:27:10.980]  done it all these years they come out with new volumes of the code every seven
[01:27:10.980 --> 01:27:15.540]  years and even the current volume of the code has that mandatory oath language
[01:27:15.540 --> 01:27:20.420]  at section 101 and the requirement to follow it along with the state of the
[01:27:20.420 --> 01:27:25.180]  office at 102 right the problem you know basically is I don't think there's been
[01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:30.780]  any changes to law these people just refuse to obey the law well I would
[01:27:30.780 --> 01:27:36.740]  agree with that refuse to obey the law portion especially now I actually raised
[01:27:36.740 --> 01:27:41.580]  this issue in a court and I'll make a long story short it scared them
[01:27:41.580 --> 01:27:46.780]  basically and I had a visiting judge tell me that if he ruled in my favor that
[01:27:46.780 --> 01:27:51.260]  he'd be declaring all 50 state courts to be illegal and this was in the county
[01:27:51.260 --> 01:27:56.460]  court of law nothing that man did could make other state courts illegal it was
[01:27:56.460 --> 01:27:59.940]  just a trial court it wasn't even an appeals court but it was a Freudian slip
[01:27:59.940 --> 01:28:03.900]  on his part and I asked him if I could approach because I had a copy of the New
[01:28:03.900 --> 01:28:08.300]  York state oath which does comply it does have the federal language and it is
[01:28:08.300 --> 01:28:13.260]  filed with the state oath and he wouldn't let me do it I tried to explain that to
[01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:17.540]  him but in essence Texas is one of the few states there's a couple other ones
[01:28:17.540 --> 01:28:20.700]  that I've checked it doesn't have this federal most states are actually in
[01:28:20.700 --> 01:28:25.500]  compliance with it but Texas is not and that includes some of the higher-ups in
[01:28:25.500 --> 01:28:29.740]  Texas I've checked Greg Abbott the Attorney General's I checked John Bradley
[01:28:29.740 --> 01:28:32.620]  he's the district attorney of Williamson County he doesn't have the proper oath
[01:28:32.620 --> 01:28:36.100]  and neither does any of the county officials in Williamson County the
[01:28:36.100 --> 01:28:39.180]  county where I live which means technically everything they do is
[01:28:39.180 --> 01:28:45.220]  illegal works for me if you'll do me a favor Dan if you would send me the
[01:28:45.220 --> 01:28:48.580]  information you're talking about on that I've read that section of the statute
[01:28:48.580 --> 01:28:52.980]  but I would like to see the individual way you've got the documentation if you
[01:28:52.980 --> 01:28:57.300]  have the documentation on it for the second passing of the act I could I
[01:28:57.300 --> 01:29:00.220]  could email that to you and also if you Google the Office of Law Revision
[01:29:00.220 --> 01:29:04.340]  Council website they'll explain what positive law they have a really nice
[01:29:04.340 --> 01:29:09.180]  little PDF thing that explains what positive law codification is and once
[01:29:09.180 --> 01:29:13.380]  they cleaned up this law it is evidence of the law in every state of the United
[01:29:13.380 --> 01:29:18.580]  States and it trumps anything else they anybody would try to bring in you know
[01:29:18.580 --> 01:29:21.500]  they have a really great explanation of it but there's a lot of information I
[01:29:21.500 --> 01:29:26.540]  can send you including a case called Van Hage v. State it's the only thing Texas
[01:29:26.540 --> 01:29:37.820]  can actually throw at anybody and it was a 1947 date I hear the music yeah all
[01:29:37.820 --> 01:29:41.260]  right Dan well if you if you want to hang on for just a minute we're going to
[01:29:41.260 --> 01:29:45.780]  take a break and we can pick up with you on the other side okay I will all right
[01:29:45.780 --> 01:29:53.500]  thanks callers if you like to call in 512-646-1984 this is the rule of law we
[01:29:53.500 --> 01:29:57.380]  will be right back after this short break
[01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:05.860]  it is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM but finding things on the internet
[01:30:05.860 --> 01:30:10.020]  isn't so easy and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with oh
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[01:32:01.780 --> 01:32:16.780]  yeah
[01:32:31.780 --> 01:32:33.780]  then they get around we
[01:32:33.780 --> 01:32:35.780]  chipping of the beef and you still go eat it
[01:32:35.780 --> 01:32:37.780]  chipping of the fish them all in the sea
[01:32:37.780 --> 01:32:39.780]  chipping of the shark and the whale around me
[01:32:39.780 --> 01:32:41.780]  you must be mankind gone chipped crazy
[01:32:41.780 --> 01:32:43.780]  they're the king of the king and they want to read me
[01:32:43.780 --> 01:32:45.780]  social security they've got to tell me
[01:32:45.780 --> 01:32:47.780]  number when they give me they repeat what you see
[01:32:47.780 --> 01:32:49.780]  I'm chipping you in the morning
[01:32:49.780 --> 01:32:51.780]  chipping you in the evening
[01:32:51.780 --> 01:32:53.780]  chipping you all the dinner time
[01:32:53.780 --> 01:32:55.780]  experiment on mankind
[01:32:55.780 --> 01:32:57.780]  but man you know say them lies
[01:32:57.780 --> 01:32:59.780]  well we don't want to check man
[01:32:59.780 --> 01:33:01.780]  you have your body
[01:33:01.780 --> 01:33:03.780]  freedom or something man you fight for it
[01:33:03.780 --> 01:33:05.780]  you should tell them
[01:33:05.780 --> 01:33:07.780]  if we read it
[01:33:07.780 --> 01:33:09.780]  constitution set us free
[01:33:09.780 --> 01:33:11.780]  don't let them put no chip in your body
[01:33:11.780 --> 01:33:13.780]  put no chip in you dog or cat you see
[01:33:13.780 --> 01:33:15.780]  don't put no chip in your cow and go eat it
[01:33:15.780 --> 01:33:17.780]  don't put no chip in the fish and go eat it
[01:33:17.780 --> 01:33:19.780]  all in the whale and the shark in the sea
[01:33:19.780 --> 01:33:21.780]  put the little chip in the little baby
[01:33:21.780 --> 01:33:23.780]  want to put the chip in a gram
[01:33:23.780 --> 01:33:25.780]  okay we are back
[01:33:25.780 --> 01:33:27.780]  we're speaking with Dan
[01:33:27.780 --> 01:33:29.780]  callers if you like to call in
[01:33:29.780 --> 01:33:35.780]  512-646-1984
[01:33:35.780 --> 01:33:37.780]  okay Dan please
[01:33:37.780 --> 01:33:39.780]  finish your thought there
[01:33:39.780 --> 01:33:41.780]  well very quickly I was going to say that
[01:33:41.780 --> 01:33:43.780]  in 1947 a Houston
[01:33:43.780 --> 01:33:45.780]  attorney raised this issue in a Texas court
[01:33:45.780 --> 01:33:47.780]  and what they said was
[01:33:47.780 --> 01:33:49.780]  because he didn't raise it they didn't have to
[01:33:49.780 --> 01:33:51.780]  hear it on appeal he went to the court
[01:33:51.780 --> 01:33:53.780]  of criminal appeals that was their ruling
[01:33:53.780 --> 01:33:55.780]  you did not raise it at trial you did not preserve
[01:33:55.780 --> 01:33:57.780]  for appeal he came back a second time
[01:33:57.780 --> 01:33:59.780]  and challenged their authority and said none of you
[01:33:59.780 --> 01:34:01.780]  have the oath either and they basically
[01:34:01.780 --> 01:34:03.780]  said well if we don't
[01:34:03.780 --> 01:34:05.780]  either anybody else is
[01:34:05.780 --> 01:34:07.780]  going to destroy Texas and you know
[01:34:07.780 --> 01:34:09.780]  run for the hills the man came
[01:34:09.780 --> 01:34:11.780]  back with a third motion from re-hearing that
[01:34:11.780 --> 01:34:13.780]  they denied without a written opinion
[01:34:13.780 --> 01:34:15.780]  okay and
[01:34:15.780 --> 01:34:17.780]  his client should have died
[01:34:17.780 --> 01:34:19.780]  basically back then they didn't have
[01:34:19.780 --> 01:34:21.780]  the appeals they have nowadays people didn't sit on death
[01:34:21.780 --> 01:34:23.780]  row for 30 or 40 years they
[01:34:23.780 --> 01:34:25.780]  were executed within a matter of a month or two
[01:34:25.780 --> 01:34:27.780]  but this lawyer somehow
[01:34:27.780 --> 01:34:29.780]  did something to Texas that
[01:34:29.780 --> 01:34:31.780]  within two months his client sent
[01:34:31.780 --> 01:34:33.780]  and was commuted to life in prison without
[01:34:33.780 --> 01:34:35.780]  parole I mean not without
[01:34:35.780 --> 01:34:37.780]  parole because they didn't have that back then just life in
[01:34:37.780 --> 01:34:39.780]  prison and there was actually
[01:34:39.780 --> 01:34:41.780]  a newspaper article I managed to get from the state
[01:34:41.780 --> 01:34:43.780]  bar archives that said
[01:34:43.780 --> 01:34:45.780]  that because his proper
[01:34:45.780 --> 01:34:47.780]  defense was not raised at trial this
[01:34:47.780 --> 01:34:49.780]  fantastic attack against the foundation
[01:34:49.780 --> 01:34:51.780]  of state government was raised at trial
[01:34:51.780 --> 01:34:53.780]  they felt that he didn't get a fair trial
[01:34:53.780 --> 01:34:55.780]  that his real defense was not raised
[01:34:55.780 --> 01:34:57.780]  and that's why a unanimous board of
[01:34:57.780 --> 01:34:59.780]  pardons and parole's commuted his sentence and the governor
[01:34:59.780 --> 01:35:01.780]  signed off but that's not what
[01:35:01.780 --> 01:35:03.780]  happened the trial transcript and the first quarter
[01:35:03.780 --> 01:35:05.780]  criminal appeals opinion said it
[01:35:05.780 --> 01:35:07.780]  was not raised at trial they simply lied
[01:35:07.780 --> 01:35:09.780]  and the only rational explanation
[01:35:09.780 --> 01:35:11.780]  is that this lawyer threatened to go federal
[01:35:11.780 --> 01:35:13.780]  with the fact that the state of Texas did not
[01:35:13.780 --> 01:35:15.780]  comply with the federal constitution of the oath
[01:35:15.780 --> 01:35:17.780]  issue and he
[01:35:17.780 --> 01:35:19.780]  created his client's life to not go federal
[01:35:19.780 --> 01:35:21.780]  well that's just in general lawyers
[01:35:21.780 --> 01:35:23.780]  are going to do that
[01:35:23.780 --> 01:35:25.780]  I'll be glad to send you the information
[01:35:25.780 --> 01:35:27.780]  please do that Dan
[01:35:27.780 --> 01:35:29.780]  alright thank you
[01:35:29.780 --> 01:35:31.780]  bye bye
[01:35:31.780 --> 01:35:33.780]  that's most likely the case where they came
[01:35:33.780 --> 01:35:35.780]  up with the opinion that if
[01:35:35.780 --> 01:35:37.780]  all are disqualified
[01:35:37.780 --> 01:35:39.780]  none are disqualified and that's
[01:35:39.780 --> 01:35:41.780]  stupidity at its worst right there
[01:35:41.780 --> 01:35:43.780]  indeed
[01:35:43.780 --> 01:35:45.780]  alright we've got more callers on the line
[01:35:45.780 --> 01:35:47.780]  we've got John in Texas
[01:35:47.780 --> 01:35:49.780]  John thanks for calling in
[01:35:49.780 --> 01:35:51.780]  what's on your mind tonight? Hey good evening
[01:35:51.780 --> 01:35:53.780]  how are y'all doing? Good
[01:35:53.780 --> 01:35:55.780]  listen I don't know I
[01:35:55.780 --> 01:35:57.780]  have been meaning to call you for a couple of weeks
[01:35:57.780 --> 01:35:59.780]  I wanted to thank you
[01:35:59.780 --> 01:36:01.780]  and Randy and
[01:36:01.780 --> 01:36:03.780]  Eddie
[01:36:03.780 --> 01:36:05.780]  three or four weeks ago I got three
[01:36:05.780 --> 01:36:07.780]  traffic tickets consecutively
[01:36:07.780 --> 01:36:09.780]  and so I went ahead and
[01:36:09.780 --> 01:36:11.780]  went to court and I asked for a jury by
[01:36:11.780 --> 01:36:13.780]  trial and the reason I'm calling is to compliment
[01:36:13.780 --> 01:36:15.780]  you guys you guys encouraged me to
[01:36:15.780 --> 01:36:17.780]  go experience it
[01:36:17.780 --> 01:36:19.780]  and I won by default
[01:36:19.780 --> 01:36:21.780]  they just didn't have their stuff together
[01:36:21.780 --> 01:36:23.780]  the officers didn't show
[01:36:23.780 --> 01:36:25.780]  and it was exciting to
[01:36:25.780 --> 01:36:27.780]  be there and with
[01:36:27.780 --> 01:36:29.780]  based on your encouragement I
[01:36:29.780 --> 01:36:31.780]  went and I was just about to
[01:36:31.780 --> 01:36:33.780]  capitulate and say here take my money
[01:36:33.780 --> 01:36:35.780]  and they said
[01:36:35.780 --> 01:36:37.780]  dismissed it was a beautiful thing and I
[01:36:37.780 --> 01:36:39.780]  just want to thank you. Now what exactly did
[01:36:39.780 --> 01:36:41.780]  you do to get it dismissed?
[01:36:41.780 --> 01:36:43.780]  What was the course of events?
[01:36:43.780 --> 01:36:45.780]  Well basically I
[01:36:45.780 --> 01:36:47.780]  had a speeding ticket no inspection ticket
[01:36:47.780 --> 01:36:49.780]  no registration
[01:36:49.780 --> 01:36:51.780]  I waited till the last day
[01:36:51.780 --> 01:36:53.780]  I put a handwritten note in
[01:36:53.780 --> 01:36:55.780]  saying I request a trial by jury
[01:36:55.780 --> 01:36:57.780]  and I posted the bond
[01:36:57.780 --> 01:36:59.780]  I went to the day of
[01:36:59.780 --> 01:37:01.780]  the court and
[01:37:01.780 --> 01:37:03.780]  and I was
[01:37:03.780 --> 01:37:05.780]  about to say just take my money I
[01:37:05.780 --> 01:37:07.780]  don't want to be involved in jury trial cause I
[01:37:07.780 --> 01:37:09.780]  am guilty of all and so
[01:37:09.780 --> 01:37:11.780]  I just basically stood there and kept my mouth shut
[01:37:11.780 --> 01:37:13.780]  and I had a nice business suit on
[01:37:13.780 --> 01:37:15.780]  as Randy has encouraged
[01:37:15.780 --> 01:37:17.780]  and it turned out
[01:37:17.780 --> 01:37:19.780]  the DA was fumbling and
[01:37:19.780 --> 01:37:21.780]  kind of over my left shoulder
[01:37:21.780 --> 01:37:23.780]  she was like he's
[01:37:23.780 --> 01:37:25.780]  ready for trial and we're not
[01:37:25.780 --> 01:37:27.780]  cause we don't have the officer here and
[01:37:27.780 --> 01:37:29.780]  Did you file any
[01:37:29.780 --> 01:37:31.780]  motions to dismiss? Did you file any papers
[01:37:31.780 --> 01:37:33.780]  or anything? I did a handwritten
[01:37:33.780 --> 01:37:35.780]  motion to dismiss
[01:37:35.780 --> 01:37:37.780]  Based on what?
[01:37:37.780 --> 01:37:39.780]  Just
[01:37:39.780 --> 01:37:41.780]  it was a blind
[01:37:41.780 --> 01:37:43.780]  it was blind I just said
[01:37:43.780 --> 01:37:45.780]  I basically said
[01:37:45.780 --> 01:37:47.780]  jury by trial and I did a
[01:37:47.780 --> 01:37:49.780]  verbal motion to dismiss
[01:37:49.780 --> 01:37:51.780]  and
[01:37:51.780 --> 01:37:53.780]  When you got to the court you did a motion to dismiss
[01:37:53.780 --> 01:37:55.780]  When I got there I said
[01:37:55.780 --> 01:37:57.780]  I basically went forward and the
[01:37:57.780 --> 01:37:59.780]  district attorney I mean the whatever
[01:37:59.780 --> 01:38:01.780]  the prosecutor realized they
[01:38:01.780 --> 01:38:03.780]  didn't have their witness there and I
[01:38:03.780 --> 01:38:05.780]  kept my mouth shut
[01:38:05.780 --> 01:38:07.780]  and of course
[01:38:07.780 --> 01:38:09.780]  we were ready to do the trial
[01:38:09.780 --> 01:38:11.780]  the jury was in the other room and they
[01:38:11.780 --> 01:38:13.780]  basically said dismiss
[01:38:13.780 --> 01:38:15.780]  your bond will be returned to you
[01:38:15.780 --> 01:38:17.780]  it wasn't luck it was just
[01:38:17.780 --> 01:38:19.780]  y'all's encouragement to go
[01:38:19.780 --> 01:38:21.780]  there and
[01:38:21.780 --> 01:38:23.780]  I just
[01:38:23.780 --> 01:38:25.780]  want to thank you
[01:38:25.780 --> 01:38:27.780]  In other words what you want to say is
[01:38:27.780 --> 01:38:29.780]  I stood my ground I didn't open my mouth
[01:38:29.780 --> 01:38:31.780]  and I got all my money back and didn't lose anymore
[01:38:31.780 --> 01:38:33.780]  Yeah exactly
[01:38:33.780 --> 01:38:35.780]  and I'm going back for
[01:38:35.780 --> 01:38:37.780]  another experience and the prosecutor
[01:38:37.780 --> 01:38:39.780]  says why don't you just pay the money
[01:38:39.780 --> 01:38:41.780]  and I just
[01:38:41.780 --> 01:38:43.780]  said no
[01:38:43.780 --> 01:38:45.780]  I want to experience it you know the funny thing
[01:38:45.780 --> 01:38:47.780]  is they treat you so curtly
[01:38:47.780 --> 01:38:49.780]  because they don't have any participation
[01:38:49.780 --> 01:38:51.780]  it's just a bunch of people turning over
[01:38:51.780 --> 01:38:53.780]  their money and when you actually show up
[01:38:53.780 --> 01:38:55.780]  in a suit and tie
[01:38:55.780 --> 01:38:57.780]  and are well mannered and
[01:38:57.780 --> 01:38:59.780]  observe what goes on
[01:38:59.780 --> 01:39:01.780]  they really don't know
[01:39:01.780 --> 01:39:03.780]  what to do with the other
[01:39:03.780 --> 01:39:05.780]  they treat you with a lot of respect and kindness
[01:39:05.780 --> 01:39:07.780]  and they have
[01:39:07.780 --> 01:39:09.780]  100% apathy in their courtroom
[01:39:09.780 --> 01:39:11.780]  it's a real
[01:39:11.780 --> 01:39:13.780]  experience
[01:39:13.780 --> 01:39:15.780]  But are you saying you didn't file
[01:39:15.780 --> 01:39:17.780]  any motions to dismiss before the trial
[01:39:17.780 --> 01:39:19.780]  you didn't
[01:39:19.780 --> 01:39:21.780]  file any kind of documents
[01:39:21.780 --> 01:39:23.780]  in the case you just requested a trial
[01:39:23.780 --> 01:39:25.780]  and then showed up and then they didn't have
[01:39:25.780 --> 01:39:27.780]  it together and then you
[01:39:27.780 --> 01:39:29.780]  That's right they didn't have it together and you
[01:39:29.780 --> 01:39:31.780]  know I did a hand written
[01:39:31.780 --> 01:39:33.780]  request trial
[01:39:33.780 --> 01:39:35.780]  by jury specifically
[01:39:35.780 --> 01:39:37.780]  I put trial by jury
[01:39:37.780 --> 01:39:39.780]  and I posted
[01:39:39.780 --> 01:39:41.780]  here's the other caveat
[01:39:41.780 --> 01:39:43.780]  one morning I'm hustling to work about a month ago
[01:39:43.780 --> 01:39:45.780]  and I go out my front door at 7am
[01:39:45.780 --> 01:39:47.780]  and there's two city of office cops
[01:39:47.780 --> 01:39:49.780]  and they're like we need $700
[01:39:49.780 --> 01:39:51.780]  there's a warrant for your arrest
[01:39:51.780 --> 01:39:53.780]  so I cut them a check well see that
[01:39:53.780 --> 01:39:55.780]  turned out to be a bond that's why
[01:39:55.780 --> 01:39:57.780]  at the last minute I said I want
[01:39:57.780 --> 01:39:59.780]  a new trial by jury
[01:39:59.780 --> 01:40:01.780]  because the officer told me you can get a trial
[01:40:01.780 --> 01:40:03.780]  by jury it was
[01:40:03.780 --> 01:40:05.780]  a chain of events and during that time
[01:40:05.780 --> 01:40:07.780]  I was listening to y'all and
[01:40:07.780 --> 01:40:09.780]  it made me say go
[01:40:09.780 --> 01:40:11.780]  go experience it at worst
[01:40:11.780 --> 01:40:13.780]  they'll just keep your money
[01:40:13.780 --> 01:40:15.780]  turns out they didn't have their ducks
[01:40:15.780 --> 01:40:17.780]  in a row they didn't disclose
[01:40:17.780 --> 01:40:19.780]  that to me the prosecutor kind of
[01:40:19.780 --> 01:40:21.780]  stepped back and was doing hand signals
[01:40:21.780 --> 01:40:23.780]  with the judge and basically the judge
[01:40:23.780 --> 01:40:25.780]  said well we're going to have to dismiss this
[01:40:25.780 --> 01:40:27.780]  the little secret was they weren't prepared
[01:40:27.780 --> 01:40:29.780]  for that
[01:40:29.780 --> 01:40:31.780]  well I'll tell you when they ask you
[01:40:31.780 --> 01:40:33.780]  something about why don't you just pay the money
[01:40:33.780 --> 01:40:35.780]  the very short simple
[01:40:35.780 --> 01:40:37.780]  answer with a smile is because I want
[01:40:37.780 --> 01:40:39.780]  to see you prove your case
[01:40:39.780 --> 01:40:41.780]  amen
[01:40:41.780 --> 01:40:43.780]  I don't believe
[01:40:43.780 --> 01:40:45.780]  you can do it and I believe
[01:40:45.780 --> 01:40:47.780]  anything you put forth I can rebut
[01:40:47.780 --> 01:40:49.780]  so I want
[01:40:49.780 --> 01:40:51.780]  to see you prove your case
[01:40:51.780 --> 01:40:53.780]  they don't like you even when you do
[01:40:53.780 --> 01:40:55.780]  you know and they did try to intimidate
[01:40:55.780 --> 01:40:57.780]  she's like we're ready to go to trial and I'm
[01:40:57.780 --> 01:40:59.780]  like so am I
[01:40:59.780 --> 01:41:01.780]  they didn't have answers for those type of
[01:41:01.780 --> 01:41:03.780]  things they just so used to just
[01:41:03.780 --> 01:41:05.780]  dealing with people
[01:41:05.780 --> 01:41:07.780]  that don't know
[01:41:07.780 --> 01:41:09.780]  what they're doing I won't say I knew what I'm
[01:41:09.780 --> 01:41:11.780]  doing but based on y'all's encouragement
[01:41:11.780 --> 01:41:13.780]  I just stood my ground and kept my
[01:41:13.780 --> 01:41:15.780]  mouth shut and they don't
[01:41:15.780 --> 01:41:17.780]  really have their they're not
[01:41:17.780 --> 01:41:19.780]  that sharp you know they're kind of playing a one
[01:41:19.780 --> 01:41:21.780]  sided basketball game where they
[01:41:21.780 --> 01:41:23.780]  just just beat everybody to
[01:41:23.780 --> 01:41:25.780]  death so often that if
[01:41:25.780 --> 01:41:27.780]  you show up and they almost
[01:41:27.780 --> 01:41:29.780]  don't know what do they are you an attorney
[01:41:29.780 --> 01:41:31.780]  they don't quite know what why
[01:41:31.780 --> 01:41:33.780]  are you even here why don't you just pay the money
[01:41:33.780 --> 01:41:35.780]  because it's America
[01:41:35.780 --> 01:41:37.780]  I don't need to pay the money
[01:41:37.780 --> 01:41:39.780]  and thank God
[01:41:39.780 --> 01:41:41.780]  I didn't have to go all the way like
[01:41:41.780 --> 01:41:43.780]  with what you do Eddie on improving
[01:41:43.780 --> 01:41:45.780]  well you know all that
[01:41:45.780 --> 01:41:47.780]  I need to have a life need to be
[01:41:47.780 --> 01:41:49.780]  registered anyhow I guess in my
[01:41:49.780 --> 01:41:51.780]  enthusiasm I just want to thank you again
[01:41:51.780 --> 01:41:53.780]  encourage you
[01:41:53.780 --> 01:41:55.780]  for encouraging us to
[01:41:55.780 --> 01:41:57.780]  press into the whole legal thing
[01:41:57.780 --> 01:41:59.780]  I appreciate it
[01:41:59.780 --> 01:42:01.780]  I'm glad it worked out for you that way
[01:42:01.780 --> 01:42:03.780]  okay
[01:42:03.780 --> 01:42:05.780]  all right thank you John I'm glad it worked out
[01:42:05.780 --> 01:42:07.780]  absolutely
[01:42:07.780 --> 01:42:09.780]  appreciate y'all's effort
[01:42:09.780 --> 01:42:11.780]  thank you
[01:42:11.780 --> 01:42:13.780]  all right John
[01:42:13.780 --> 01:42:15.780]  all righty
[01:42:15.780 --> 01:42:17.780]  keep up the good fight
[01:42:17.780 --> 01:42:19.780]  okay bye bye
[01:42:19.780 --> 01:42:21.780]  all right callers you have an open phone board right now
[01:42:21.780 --> 01:42:23.780]  so if anyone would like to call in
[01:42:23.780 --> 01:42:29.780]  512-646-1984
[01:42:29.780 --> 01:42:31.780]  we're talking about traffic issues or other issues
[01:42:31.780 --> 01:42:33.780]  that you may want to bring up
[01:42:33.780 --> 01:42:35.780]  we'll help you folks the best we can
[01:42:37.780 --> 01:42:39.780]  so some folks are getting it easier than others
[01:42:39.780 --> 01:42:41.780]  Eddie
[01:42:41.780 --> 01:42:43.780]  that's true
[01:42:43.780 --> 01:42:45.780]  basically you'll find out most of the time
[01:42:45.780 --> 01:42:47.780]  that if you actually make the effort
[01:42:47.780 --> 01:42:49.780]  to make sure all your
[01:42:49.780 --> 01:42:51.780]  ducks are in a row
[01:42:51.780 --> 01:42:53.780]  when the time comes
[01:42:53.780 --> 01:42:55.780]  they usually don't have theirs in a row
[01:42:55.780 --> 01:42:57.780]  and it's because
[01:42:57.780 --> 01:42:59.780]  they honestly
[01:42:59.780 --> 01:43:01.780]  expect the majority of people to just
[01:43:01.780 --> 01:43:03.780]  roll over and play dead
[01:43:03.780 --> 01:43:05.780]  it is in fact what they count on
[01:43:05.780 --> 01:43:07.780]  absolutely
[01:43:07.780 --> 01:43:09.780]  the system has been successful
[01:43:09.780 --> 01:43:11.780]  and is successful
[01:43:11.780 --> 01:43:13.780]  because most people will not
[01:43:13.780 --> 01:43:15.780]  stand up for themselves
[01:43:15.780 --> 01:43:17.780]  and they're in total violation
[01:43:17.780 --> 01:43:19.780]  of the law and so
[01:43:19.780 --> 01:43:21.780]  there's no way they can get their ducks in a row either
[01:43:21.780 --> 01:43:23.780]  because the way that they operate
[01:43:23.780 --> 01:43:25.780]  is strictly on fear mongering tactics
[01:43:25.780 --> 01:43:27.780]  almost always
[01:43:27.780 --> 01:43:29.780]  absolutely
[01:43:29.780 --> 01:43:31.780]  all right well we're about to go to break
[01:43:31.780 --> 01:43:33.780]  we've got some callers coming in
[01:43:33.780 --> 01:43:35.780]  we've got Ray from Texas, Ken from Texas
[01:43:35.780 --> 01:43:37.780]  we're going to go to Ray
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[01:43:45.780 --> 01:43:47.780]  Eddie Craig, I'm Deborah Stevens
[01:43:47.780 --> 01:43:49.780]  Randy Kelton has the night off
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[01:45:43.780 --> 01:45:48.500]  and our callers, you guys, and gals out there are doing a fantastic job.
[01:45:48.780 --> 01:45:50.500]  We've got Ray in Texas.
[01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:52.360]  Hey, Ray, thanks for calling in.
[01:45:52.360 --> 01:45:53.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:45:53.620 --> 01:45:55.620]  Hey, I love you guys so much.
[01:45:55.980 --> 01:45:58.000]  Everybody learned so much from listening to you guys.
[01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.900]  I had to call eight of my friends who are now listening.
[01:46:00.900 --> 01:46:03.600]  Eddie, I hate to make you do this, but can you repeat the difference
[01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:06.120]  between driving and traveling?
[01:46:06.120 --> 01:46:15.060]  Sure. An example of driving is when you're actually engaged in an activity
[01:46:15.060 --> 01:46:17.680]  that requires the use of a license, okay?
[01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:22.500]  You've got to remember, the definition of a license is the permission to do
[01:46:22.500 --> 01:46:26.460]  that which would otherwise be illegal without the license.
[01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:28.220]  Now, people out there, I know what you're thinking.
[01:46:28.220 --> 01:46:30.100]  Oh, that can apply to what we're talking about now.
[01:46:30.200 --> 01:46:31.200]  No, it can't.
[01:46:31.200 --> 01:46:36.480]  The courts have ruled over and over and over throughout the entire life
[01:46:36.480 --> 01:46:40.980]  of the automobile that the people have the right to liberty
[01:46:41.240 --> 01:46:46.500]  and locomotion is an inherent part of that liberty, the right to change one's position
[01:46:46.500 --> 01:46:50.360]  from one location to another at their own will and convenience.
[01:46:51.240 --> 01:46:55.640]  And they specifically have stated that this includes the use
[01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:57.240]  of an automobile for that purpose.
[01:46:57.240 --> 01:47:03.420]  Now, when you have to have the license, the license denotes that you have placed yourself
[01:47:03.420 --> 01:47:07.800]  into a realm of preparedness to engage in a particular activity.
[01:47:08.620 --> 01:47:11.940]  Taxicab driver, for instance, they are a driver.
[01:47:12.200 --> 01:47:15.560]  They have to have a chauffeur's license here in Texas.
[01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:19.860]  There are actually three, operator's license, commercial driver's license,
[01:47:19.860 --> 01:47:20.960]  and chauffeur's license.
[01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:24.080]  Now, the common license that most people have
[01:47:24.080 --> 01:47:26.100]  in their wallet is an operator's license.
[01:47:26.100 --> 01:47:28.560]  But if you will take that license out and look at it,
[01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:31.080]  you will see that there is a classification.
[01:47:31.080 --> 01:47:37.280]  It will usually say Class C. If you look in Chapter 521 of the transportation code,
[01:47:37.580 --> 01:47:43.920]  you will find a list of exactly what type of motor vehicles can be operated in accordance
[01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:46.080]  with a particular class of license.
[01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:53.200]  Then you can go to Chapter 522, which specifically is entitled commercial driver's licenses.
[01:47:53.200 --> 01:47:57.280]  You will then find that same table of motor vehicles.
[01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:01.800]  You will also find that the same classification applies.
[01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:06.560]  It is in Chapter 522 where the statement is made.
[01:48:07.120 --> 01:48:09.720]  The Department of Public Safety has the authority
[01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:17.680]  to issue commercial driver's licenses of Class A, B, or C. Now, again, look at your license.
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.400]  It's got Class C on it, does it not?
[01:48:20.400 --> 01:48:25.280]  The only authorization granted in 522 under the commercial driver's license is
[01:48:25.280 --> 01:48:29.040]  to issue commercial licenses, okay?
[01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:34.440]  If you are actually, again, to use the example I did in the email, if you go on vacation
[01:48:34.440 --> 01:48:38.680]  with the family and you all decide to travel in your automobile, you are traveling.
[01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:41.240]  You are exercising your right of liberty.
[01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:44.880]  You are not engaging in commerce, okay?
[01:48:45.200 --> 01:48:47.720]  You're not hauling a load of goods.
[01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:54.160]  You're not hauling a load of goods from Texas to wherever it is you decide to go,
[01:48:54.160 --> 01:48:57.080]  Disneyland in Florida, okay, or Disney World in Florida.
[01:48:57.800 --> 01:49:00.280]  You know, you're not engaging in commerce.
[01:49:00.280 --> 01:49:03.000]  You're on a family vacation, all right?
[01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:09.400]  You're not required to have a license for the purpose of traveling in your own property.
[01:49:10.140 --> 01:49:15.920]  Now, yes, there is tons of courts and tons of states that all say that's not true.
[01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:20.560]  It's one, it's not true because they don't read the law, two, it's not true
[01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:25.000]  because most people don't know enough to argue the law even if it does say it,
[01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:29.720]  and three, it's because most people don't do the research to find the case history
[01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:37.680]  and case law that still is valid law and proves that liberty is the right of locomotion, okay?
[01:49:38.480 --> 01:49:43.040]  So the fact that the lower courts refuse to abide by the law should
[01:49:43.040 --> 01:49:48.440]  in no way discourage people in exercising their rights because just
[01:49:48.440 --> 01:49:52.520]  because you have rogue judges in the lower courts that think they're not
[01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:56.800]  to be held accountable for what they do, the purpose of the people on this show is
[01:49:56.800 --> 01:50:02.880]  to prove them wrong and to teach you people out there how to make it very painful
[01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:04.800]  for them to maintain that attitude.
[01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:10.520]  A judge acting outside of his lawful authority is a criminal.
[01:50:10.520 --> 01:50:12.440]  I don't care what else you want to call him.
[01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:17.200]  When he does not do what the law requires him to do, he is committing a crime.
[01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:22.280]  When he violates the law in violation of your rights, he is committing a crime
[01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:25.360]  and he needs to be held accountable for that act.
[01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:29.360]  So does the police officer or any other public official.
[01:50:30.200 --> 01:50:35.640]  But when you're engaged in the act of traveling, okay, you are not engaging in commerce.
[01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:38.640]  There is a distinct disparate difference between the two.
[01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:43.600]  In Texas law, if you have gone through the seminar book on the traffic law that I wrote,
[01:50:44.080 --> 01:50:48.000]  it shows you very clearly that the only license in Texas
[01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.520]  that exists is a commercial license.
[01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:56.240]  It may have several different names, but the purpose of the license is to allow you
[01:50:56.240 --> 01:51:01.840]  to engage in some form of commercial activity, not in private travel.
[01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:10.000]  Yeah, and even in this case of like, say, a farmer bringing his produce to a farmer's market,
[01:51:10.320 --> 01:51:14.560]  even that is not engaging in commerce on the roadways
[01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:18.160]  because he's not hauling a load for hire.
[01:51:18.160 --> 01:51:23.760]  He's bringing his goods to the market and he engages in commerce once he gets to the markets.
[01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:29.040]  So even in that situation, that's not commerce on the roadways.
[01:51:29.040 --> 01:51:30.880]  Okay, I got one more question.
[01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:35.840]  Okay, if I'm engaged in commerce, I do have to have my license plate
[01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:40.800]  and my inspection sticker and my other sticker, but if I'm traveling,
[01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:43.280]  do I have to have those stickers and the license plate?
[01:51:43.760 --> 01:51:44.560]  No, you do not.
[01:51:45.360 --> 01:51:50.480]  Like I said, the purpose of having a license, license plates and inspection
[01:51:50.480 --> 01:51:55.440]  and registration is to make you and your car commercial ready.
[01:51:55.440 --> 01:52:00.160]  If you do engage in a commercial activity, hey, you're all signed up, registered, and ready to go, right?
[01:52:00.160 --> 01:52:02.000]  Ah, gotcha, gotcha.
[01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:07.600]  All right, but if you never intend to use your car for that purpose
[01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:12.480]  and never use your car for that purpose, then you're not required to have those things.
[01:52:13.200 --> 01:52:17.680]  So if I never, ever use my car for that purpose, I don't have to have my license plate
[01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.720]  and my inspection sticker and all the other sticker.
[01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:22.240]  That's absolutely correct.
[01:52:22.240 --> 01:52:23.520]  My car does not have them.
[01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:27.920]  Yes, I get pulled over, but I have yet to go back to court on the subject.
[01:52:30.320 --> 01:52:33.120]  Now, see, yeah, see, that's the issue right there.
[01:52:33.120 --> 01:52:36.480]  If you're going to make a stand and you have to be willing to fight for it,
[01:52:36.480 --> 01:52:42.400]  and I've got so many, me, in my situation, I've got so many other battles on my plate,
[01:52:42.400 --> 01:52:48.160]  that's one fight that I'm not ready to fight yet until a lot of other people start fighting it
[01:52:48.160 --> 01:52:53.840]  until a lot of other people start fighting it and it starts getting easily beaten down in court
[01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:59.680]  because I don't want to get pulled over every time I go to the store and have to hassle
[01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:04.880]  with the cops and fight traffic tickets constantly over the right to travel issue.
[01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:07.440]  Other people, you know, I'm fighting the FCC.
[01:53:07.440 --> 01:53:09.600]  I mean, there's a whole lot of other stuff going on.
[01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:15.120]  I've got bigger fish to fry, or maybe not bigger, but I've got other fish to fry right now
[01:53:15.120 --> 01:53:19.440]  other than, you know, dealing with the right to travel issue and the plates
[01:53:19.440 --> 01:53:21.840]  and the inspection stickers and all that kind of stuff.
[01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:27.360]  But I encourage other people, if you have the time on your hands and it means that much to you,
[01:53:27.360 --> 01:53:31.040]  make a stand because, you know, Eddie is living proof.
[01:53:31.040 --> 01:53:34.400]  You know, we walked the walk here on this show.
[01:53:34.400 --> 01:53:39.680]  Eddie doesn't have plates, regular license plates on his car.
[01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.320]  It says private vehicle, made his own plate.
[01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:48.080]  And like he said, yeah, he gets pulled over, but he also lives in a smaller town,
[01:53:48.080 --> 01:53:49.280]  you know, Nacogdoches.
[01:53:49.280 --> 01:53:56.320]  So up there, up on that end of the state, you know, the police and the sheriff,
[01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:58.320]  deputies and everybody, they're used to him.
[01:53:58.320 --> 01:54:01.120]  They know what's up and so they're probably leaving him alone by now.
[01:54:01.120 --> 01:54:06.000]  But you live in a big metropolitan area like Austin where there's thousands and thousands
[01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:10.480]  of cops, it's like you expect to get harassed constantly if you're going to make
[01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:12.480]  that kind of a stand.
[01:54:12.480 --> 01:54:17.600]  Yeah, in actuality, when I actually drove my car to Austin for the seminar.
[01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:19.600]  Yes, he did.
[01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:24.480]  I drove it from here to there and I actually got stopped the week after the seminar on
[01:54:24.480 --> 01:54:29.280]  November 1st, on Sunday, I was coming home and got stopped in the city of Rockdale,
[01:54:29.280 --> 01:54:32.080]  pulled over and arrested for 40 whole minutes.
[01:54:32.080 --> 01:54:38.080]  And then I was such a heinous criminal that the police officer gave me a chauffeured lift
[01:54:38.080 --> 01:54:42.080]  back to my car so I could get back in it, get back on the road and commit this heinous
[01:54:42.080 --> 01:54:44.080]  crime all over again.
[01:54:44.080 --> 01:54:50.080]  Now, if that's not an indication that it's all about the money, then you're just, you
[01:54:50.080 --> 01:54:52.080]  know, you're just never going to get it.
[01:54:52.080 --> 01:54:58.080]  But the fact of the matter is that when he brought me back to my car, I took the seminar
[01:54:58.080 --> 01:55:02.080]  book that I taught out of at the seminar and I gave it to the officer and I informed him.
[01:55:02.080 --> 01:55:06.080]  I says, I'm giving this book to you for two reasons.
[01:55:06.080 --> 01:55:12.080]  One, I want you to have a better understanding of what you're doing and how you are being
[01:55:12.080 --> 01:55:14.080]  lied to.
[01:55:14.080 --> 01:55:19.080]  Two, you're going to need to know this when I come back here to go to court because everything
[01:55:19.080 --> 01:55:21.080]  in that book is going to be brought up.
[01:55:21.080 --> 01:55:25.080]  And when I bring it up, you're the one that's going to have to answer it.
[01:55:25.080 --> 01:55:29.080]  And when you can't answer it, you're the one that's going to wind up having to pay the
[01:55:29.080 --> 01:55:30.080]  price.
[01:55:30.080 --> 01:55:32.080]  And I don't say that in a threatening manner.
[01:55:32.080 --> 01:55:36.080]  I'm just trying to make you aware that I know what my rights are and I know what the law
[01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:41.080]  is and I'm going to make you prove in court that you either do or don't know what your
[01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:43.080]  job is.
[01:55:43.080 --> 01:55:47.080]  And a week later, I got a complete and total dismissal in the mail.
[01:55:47.080 --> 01:55:51.080]  I hadn't even filed the first piece of paper in court.
[01:55:51.080 --> 01:55:54.080]  But I am aware, however, that the officer took that seminar book.
[01:55:54.080 --> 01:56:01.080]  He did read it and he immediately took it to both the magistrate and the city attorney.
[01:56:01.080 --> 01:56:04.080]  I just want to say one thing.
[01:56:04.080 --> 01:56:06.080]  People, it's worth it to fight.
[01:56:06.080 --> 01:56:10.080]  Twenty years ago, I fought the IRS and I won.
[01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:13.080]  They actually sent me a letter stating that I don't have to pay taxes anymore.
[01:56:13.080 --> 01:56:14.080]  That was 20 years ago.
[01:56:14.080 --> 01:56:17.080]  I haven't filed, I haven't paid since.
[01:56:17.080 --> 01:56:21.080]  So it is worth it to learn your rights.
[01:56:21.080 --> 01:56:26.080]  And to stand upon them and act like you are the sovereign citizen.
[01:56:26.080 --> 01:56:27.080]  And learn the law.
[01:56:27.080 --> 01:56:29.080]  Learn the law.
[01:56:29.080 --> 01:56:33.080]  When I found out that there wasn't, well, first off, that there wasn't the law,
[01:56:33.080 --> 01:56:37.080]  that they just pay taxes on income, then I found out that not one red cent goes to
[01:56:37.080 --> 01:56:40.080]  anything government or what you think it goes to.
[01:56:40.080 --> 01:56:45.080]  And that, you know, it went to the Federal Reserve, which is not government,
[01:56:45.080 --> 01:56:47.080]  privately owned.
[01:56:47.080 --> 01:56:49.080]  People, you really need to learn this stuff.
[01:56:49.080 --> 01:56:50.080]  It's incredible.
[01:56:50.080 --> 01:56:51.080]  Yeah.
[01:56:51.080 --> 01:56:54.080]  It would astound you to dig into even just the written law.
[01:56:54.080 --> 01:56:59.080]  You don't have to go learning what every Patriot individual on the market's got
[01:56:59.080 --> 01:57:00.080]  to sell you or something.
[01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:04.080]  You can learn an awful lot about how you're being hoodwinked just by reading the
[01:57:04.080 --> 01:57:06.080]  law that exists.
[01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:10.080]  Most, every single thing that I've got in my traffic seminar book is black
[01:57:10.080 --> 01:57:12.080]  letter law here in Texas.
[01:57:12.080 --> 01:57:17.080]  I take those statutes themselves and I tear them apart piece by piece.
[01:57:17.080 --> 01:57:22.080]  And I show you exactly how to read them and understand them and show you exactly
[01:57:22.080 --> 01:57:24.080]  where you're being lied to.
[01:57:24.080 --> 01:57:26.080]  And there's no question about it, folks.
[01:57:26.080 --> 01:57:28.080]  You are being lied to.
[01:57:28.080 --> 01:57:34.080]  And it's all in the name of money and profit and city and budgets and so on and
[01:57:34.080 --> 01:57:35.080]  so forth.
[01:57:35.080 --> 01:57:36.080]  It's got nothing to do with rights.
[01:57:36.080 --> 01:57:38.080]  It's got nothing to do with liberty.
[01:57:38.080 --> 01:57:42.080]  It's got nothing to do with protection of the public.
[01:57:42.080 --> 01:57:44.080]  It's simply about the money.
[01:57:44.080 --> 01:57:47.080]  And the quicker you come to understand that, the quicker you're going to be
[01:57:47.080 --> 01:57:52.080]  willing to go out and find the truth for yourself.
[01:57:52.080 --> 01:57:55.080]  Well, I think a lot of people are just afraid because they don't know their
[01:57:55.080 --> 01:57:56.080]  rights.
[01:57:56.080 --> 01:58:00.080]  And like I was before, I was afraid, you know, to even do half the stuff I'm
[01:58:00.080 --> 01:58:01.080]  doing now.
[01:58:01.080 --> 01:58:04.080]  But when you learn your rights, I mean, it's just so incredible.
[01:58:04.080 --> 01:58:06.080]  But there's no fear at all.
[01:58:06.080 --> 01:58:09.080]  There's no fear once you learn your rights.
[01:58:09.080 --> 01:58:11.080]  This is proof.
[01:58:11.080 --> 01:58:13.080]  All right, Ray, good job.
[01:58:13.080 --> 01:58:14.080]  Thank you, guys.
[01:58:14.080 --> 01:58:17.080]  All right, thank you.
[01:58:17.080 --> 01:58:19.080]  Okay, we're at the end of the show.
[01:58:19.080 --> 01:58:20.080]  Thank you, listeners, for listening.
[01:58:20.080 --> 01:58:22.080]  Thank you, callers, for calling in.
[01:58:22.080 --> 01:58:25.080]  We had Katherine from Texas that had called in and dropped off a few minutes
[01:58:25.080 --> 01:58:26.080]  ago.
[01:58:26.080 --> 01:58:28.080]  Katherine, please call back in on Thursday.
[01:58:28.080 --> 01:58:32.080]  And Thursday, we will have a very special guest, very close friend of mine,
[01:58:32.080 --> 01:58:37.080]  Mr. Michael Badnarek is going to be on the show on Thursday.
[01:58:37.080 --> 01:58:41.080]  He'll be our guest for probably at least the first half an hour hour.
[01:58:41.080 --> 01:58:44.080]  So we'll talk to y'all on Thursday night.
[01:58:44.080 --> 01:58:46.080]  This is the rule of law.
[01:58:46.080 --> 01:58:48.080]  I'm Deborah Stevens here with Eddie Craig.
[01:58:48.080 --> 01:58:50.080]  And we'll be back with Randy Kelton on Thursday.
[01:58:50.080 --> 01:58:51.080]  Good night, folks.
[01:58:51.080 --> 01:59:13.080]  Thank you.
[01:59:13.080 --> 01:59:35.080]  Thank you.
[01:59:35.080 --> 01:59:57.080]  Thank you.