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[00:04.800 --> 00:11.200]  British scientists working near the North Pole reported being hit with a three-minute rain shower over the weekend.
[00:11.200 --> 00:19.200]  David Phillips, senior climatologist with Environment Canada, said rain in the high Arctic in April is nothing short of bizarre.
[00:19.200 --> 00:28.800]  The U.S. military continues to operate burn pits in Afghanistan 18 months after the U.S. Congress banned their use.
[00:28.800 --> 00:35.600]  The burn pit at Camp Taji in Iraq continues to open burn 120 tons of waste each day.
[00:35.600 --> 00:45.800]  On Iraq Monday, 111 people were killed and over 400 wounded in a series of attacks mostly in the Shiite city of Hiller.
[00:45.800 --> 00:51.200]  The attacks, which marked the deadliest day of 2010, came against a factory in Hiller
[00:51.200 --> 00:59.200]  where two suicide car bombers attacked the entrance during a shift change, killing 35 and wounding 136.
[00:59.200 --> 01:05.200]  As medics and relatives rushed to the scene, another suicide bomber hit, adding to the toll.
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[01:09.600 --> 01:16.600]  The latest effort to contain the oil spill that has poured millions of gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico
[01:16.600 --> 01:27.000]  encountered another setback Saturday as oil will continue gushing into the ocean for at least several more days and possibly months.
[01:27.000 --> 01:33.000]  Workers on Friday night maneuvered a containment dome over the worst of the two remaining leaks,
[01:33.000 --> 01:39.600]  5,000 feet down on the seabed, to funnel the oil through a pipe to the surface.
[01:39.600 --> 01:45.000]  The dome was considered the most immediate way to limit the leak's damage until the well is permanently closed.
[01:45.000 --> 01:50.400]  But crews discovered the dome's opening was becoming clogged with gas hydrates,
[01:50.400 --> 01:58.600]  formed when gas and water mix on the ocean floor, creating a kind of slush that clogged the opening.
[01:58.600 --> 02:03.000]  TransOcean, owner of the oil rig that exploded in the Gulf of Mexico,
[02:03.000 --> 02:10.800]  killing 11 people and causing a massive slick, has made a 270 million dollar profit from insurance claims.
[02:10.800 --> 02:14.000]  The company was hired by BP to drill the well.
[02:14.000 --> 02:19.800]  The so-called accounting gain arose because the 560 million dollar insurance policy
[02:19.800 --> 02:25.800]  TransOcean took out on its Deepwater Horizon rig was greater than the value of the rig itself.
[02:25.800 --> 02:33.600]  TransOcean has already received a cash payment of 401 million dollars with the rest due in the next few weeks.
[02:33.600 --> 02:39.800]  The windfall revealed in a conference call with analysts will more than cover the 200 million dollars
[02:39.800 --> 02:45.200]  TransOcean expects to pay survivors and their families for higher insurance costs.
[02:45.200 --> 02:52.600]  According to some estimates, the total cost of the clean-up and compensation could reach 30 billion dollars.
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[04:12.600 --> 04:13.600]  What you're gonna do
[04:13.600 --> 04:19.600]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[04:19.600 --> 04:22.600]  And tonight is Monday night, Eddie's night.
[04:22.600 --> 04:29.600]  And Eddie is going to give us some more information concerning this enacting clause issue.
[04:29.600 --> 04:36.600]  And Eddie says that he's got proof now that they are basically altering the Constitution without amendment.
[04:36.600 --> 04:39.600]  Eddie, give us the lowdown.
[04:39.600 --> 04:46.600]  Okay, I've been going through this trying to research all the steps it takes for a bill to become law.
[04:46.600 --> 04:51.600]  Now, in Article 3, Section 32 of the Texas Constitution,
[04:51.600 --> 04:55.600]  this is the current reading from the online version of the Constitution.
[04:55.600 --> 05:01.600]  Section 32, reading on three several days, suspension of rule.
[05:01.600 --> 05:08.600]  No bill shall have the force of a law until it has been read on three several days in each house
[05:08.600 --> 05:10.600]  and free discussion allowed thereon.
[05:10.600 --> 05:16.600]  But for a fist of the house in which the bill may be pending may suspend this rule,
[05:16.600 --> 05:21.600]  the yeas and nays being taken on the question of suspension and entered upon the journals.
[05:21.600 --> 05:25.600]  Now, that's the way it reads in the current online version.
[05:25.600 --> 05:31.600]  This is how it reads in the original 1876 version of the Constitution.
[05:31.600 --> 05:37.600]  No bill shall have the force of a law until it has been read on three several days in each house
[05:37.600 --> 05:39.600]  and free discussion allowed thereon.
[05:39.600 --> 05:43.600]  But in cases of imperative public necessity,
[05:43.600 --> 05:48.600]  which necessity shall be stated in a preamble or in the body of the bill?
[05:48.600 --> 05:52.600]  For a fist of the house in which the bill may be pending may suspend this rule,
[05:52.600 --> 05:57.600]  the yeas and nays being taken on the question of suspension and entered upon the journals.
[05:57.600 --> 06:02.600]  Now, did you notice the distinctive difference between the two?
[06:02.600 --> 06:09.600]  The entire section dealing with but in cases of imperative public necessity.
[06:09.600 --> 06:18.600]  In other words, this for a fist vote can only occur if there is an imperative public necessity
[06:18.600 --> 06:22.600]  facilitating the need for that to occur.
[06:22.600 --> 06:26.600]  Now, the amendment, when you read the current online version,
[06:26.600 --> 06:31.600]  section 32 shows that it was amended November 2, 1999.
[06:31.600 --> 06:40.600]  Well, I have gone all the way back to 1997 through the current 2009 legislation.
[06:40.600 --> 06:50.600]  I cannot find a single amendment that removes that section of the Constitution from section 32, not one.
[06:50.600 --> 06:59.600]  In fact, the phrase regarding the public necessity has maintained itself in legislation
[06:59.600 --> 07:03.600]  through the current versions of this past year.
[07:03.600 --> 07:05.600]  Let me give you an example.
[07:05.600 --> 07:17.600]  Now, I'm not sure how the legislature defines the criteria surrounding what is a public necessity, okay,
[07:17.600 --> 07:20.600]  especially an imperative public necessity.
[07:20.600 --> 07:25.600]  So let's look at just the subjects of some of the bills.
[07:25.600 --> 07:33.600]  I find it to be absolutely necessary to pass as emergency requirements here, okay.
[07:33.600 --> 07:40.600]  For instance, CSHB 209, that's House Bill 209.
[07:40.600 --> 07:49.600]  And the subject of this bill, section 151.326, school supplies before start of school.
[07:49.600 --> 07:56.600]  I can see that being a complete state of emergency facilitating imperative public necessity
[07:56.600 --> 08:05.600]  that we pass a bill on the floor regarding school supplies before it can even be read as the Constitution requires.
[08:05.600 --> 08:06.600]  Let's look at another one.
[08:06.600 --> 08:09.600]  What else have they passed using this imperative clause?
[08:09.600 --> 08:14.600]  And just for grins, let me tell you how they write it into the amendments when they do it.
[08:14.600 --> 08:22.600]  The importance of this legislation and the crowded condition of the calendars in both houses create an emergency
[08:22.600 --> 08:29.600]  and an imperative public necessity that the Constitutional rule requiring bills to be read on three several days
[08:29.600 --> 08:34.600]  in each house be suspended, and this rule is hereby suspended.
[08:34.600 --> 08:39.600]  Well, I kind of have a problem with that.
[08:39.600 --> 08:43.600]  The thing is not an imperative public necessity.
[08:43.600 --> 08:46.600]  It's a legislative calendar crowding issue.
[08:46.600 --> 08:51.600]  I don't see how that translates into an imperative public necessity.
[08:51.600 --> 08:59.600]  But even so, when you go up and see the subject of this particular bill, this is House Bill 319,
[08:59.600 --> 09:05.600]  and it amends Section 37.01, Subsection 2, Penal Code.
[09:05.600 --> 09:14.600]  And in this particular amendment, the purpose of the amendment is to make a motor vehicle liability insurance form
[09:14.600 --> 09:17.600]  an official government record.
[09:17.600 --> 09:19.600]  Now, let me get this straight.
[09:19.600 --> 09:26.600]  This is a form issued by a private insurance company for the purpose of showing proof of insurance
[09:26.600 --> 09:29.600]  by the operator of a motor vehicle.
[09:29.600 --> 09:37.600]  But the legislature, through this decree and legislation, has now created a private company's issuance of a form
[09:37.600 --> 09:47.600]  into a required government document, which they have now made either a Class A misdemeanor or a state jail felony
[09:47.600 --> 09:58.600]  for you to alter or an otherwise misplace or lose this alleged government form.
[09:58.600 --> 10:01.600]  Now, let's take a look at just one more here.
[10:01.600 --> 10:05.600]  This is House Bill 3347.
[10:05.600 --> 10:08.600]  This is from the past legislature, okay?
[10:08.600 --> 10:18.600]  And again, this one is changing the definitions in Waste Tire Recycling Program.
[10:18.600 --> 10:28.600]  Again, an imperative public necessity is declared to suspend the reading of this bill in the House,
[10:28.600 --> 10:33.600]  in both Houses actually, and it's just passed.
[10:33.600 --> 10:39.600]  Now, the problem I have with this one is that apparently they have done this
[10:39.600 --> 10:49.600]  with every single piece of legislation they have passed for the last four decades.
[10:49.600 --> 11:00.600]  They have declared every single bill an imperative public necessity in order to pass it through legislatively
[11:00.600 --> 11:07.600]  without having it read upon the floor of the House or other House, okay?
[11:07.600 --> 11:13.600]  Now, I would definitely like to see the journals that reflects that four-fifths of each House
[11:13.600 --> 11:18.600]  at the time the bill was pending in that House suspended the rule,
[11:18.600 --> 11:22.600]  because it's not clarified here at the body of the Act that it did that.
[11:22.600 --> 11:27.600]  Yet, that is supposed to be the way it's done, okay?
[11:27.600 --> 11:33.600]  Which necessity shall be stated in a preamble or in the body of the bill,
[11:33.600 --> 11:37.600]  four-fifths of the House in which the bill may be pending may suspend this rule,
[11:37.600 --> 11:44.600]  the yeas and nays being taken on the question of suspension and entered upon the journals?
[11:44.600 --> 11:47.600]  That's the requirement, okay?
[11:47.600 --> 11:52.600]  The 1876 version of the Constitution has the full language in it.
[11:52.600 --> 12:01.600]  The current online version of the Constitution from 2000 doesn't contain that language,
[12:01.600 --> 12:05.600]  and I can't find anywhere on the legislature's website
[12:05.600 --> 12:09.600]  where an amendment to that article of the Constitution has taken place.
[12:09.600 --> 12:17.600]  Even though it says this article was amended in 1999, I can't find that amendment.
[12:17.600 --> 12:26.600]  So it would appear upon its face that they have authored the online Constitution fraudulently,
[12:26.600 --> 12:35.600]  stating that an amendment has taken place, that they have failed to post online for the public to view.
[12:35.600 --> 12:42.600]  And we know they should be there because they've got online legislation dating all the way back to 1997.
[12:42.600 --> 12:51.600]  So why no legislation regarding this alleged alteration of the amendment or this article, sorry, Section 32?
[12:51.600 --> 13:00.600]  There does not appear to be any valid amendment to the current Constitution for Article 3, Section 32.
[13:00.600 --> 13:04.600]  Yet the language has been changed.
[13:04.600 --> 13:06.600]  I've got a problem with that.
[13:06.600 --> 13:08.600]  I've got a big problem with that.
[13:08.600 --> 13:18.600]  And on top of that, I've got a big problem with all of these bills being passed under the guise of an imperative public necessity
[13:18.600 --> 13:24.600]  when it's got nothing to do with a public necessity of any kind.
[13:24.600 --> 13:32.600]  So I asked Randy to make sure to listen into this tonight so that I could get commentary from him on this
[13:32.600 --> 13:38.600]  because I really would like to hear what his take on this is.
[13:38.600 --> 13:50.600]  Well, I'm wondering, you know, this kind of sounds like what this issue of Title 18 never being passed by the legislature.
[13:50.600 --> 13:56.600]  So how do we seek remedy?
[13:56.600 --> 13:58.600]  That's the question of the day.
[13:58.600 --> 14:02.600]  They've done everything wrong.
[14:02.600 --> 14:06.600]  How do we seek remedy?
[14:06.600 --> 14:11.600]  Well, not only seek remedy, how do we hold these people accountable for this?
[14:11.600 --> 14:16.600]  You and I have had the discussion before, Randy, dealing with the publisher being the one responsible for this,
[14:16.600 --> 14:24.600]  even though it's the online version of the Constitution, that the publisher who got the contract to publish the laws
[14:24.600 --> 14:31.600]  and who have copyrighted the people's law into books that the people do not have access to
[14:31.600 --> 14:39.600]  without shelling out a great deal of money except in the online version.
[14:39.600 --> 14:45.600]  And the problem is the online version, as we can see right now, is inaccurate.
[14:45.600 --> 14:54.600]  And on top of this inaccuracy, the courts refuse to allow you to introduce printed pages from the government website.
[14:54.600 --> 15:00.600]  If it's not in a printed book, you can't use it in court.
[15:00.600 --> 15:06.600]  So where just exactly does that leave the people in seeking remedy?
[15:06.600 --> 15:09.600]  That's a good question.
[15:09.600 --> 15:12.600]  But we sure need to work this out.
[15:12.600 --> 15:15.600]  And it sounds like the right place to start.
[15:15.600 --> 15:19.600]  The legislature's the problem.
[15:19.600 --> 15:24.600]  They seem to think their only purpose is to pass law.
[15:24.600 --> 15:29.600]  And it doesn't seem to matter what the law is.
[15:29.600 --> 15:33.600]  Well, that's certainly the way it's starting to look to me or has looked to me for a long time.
[15:33.600 --> 15:45.600]  This is just one of those instances where the forest and the trees separated and you have a clear picture of one.
[15:45.600 --> 15:56.600]  But it really bothers my conscience that the law that belongs to the people is not accessible to the people to use on their behalf
[15:56.600 --> 16:08.600]  because it has been placed out of their reach by both a copyright and a fee far in excess of what the average Joe can afford to pay
[16:08.600 --> 16:12.600]  in order to gain access to the information contained in those laws.
[16:12.600 --> 16:17.600]  Is it any wonder people don't go read the statutes they're accused of violating?
[16:17.600 --> 16:22.600]  Where are they going to find a law book to look at?
[16:22.600 --> 16:24.600]  They don't have access to a law library.
[16:24.600 --> 16:26.600]  They can't afford to buy the books on their own.
[16:26.600 --> 16:33.600]  And the courts refuse to accept the version from the government's own website.
[16:33.600 --> 16:37.600]  So what are the people to do in this case?
[16:37.600 --> 16:38.600]  But I hear the break music.
[16:38.600 --> 16:39.600]  We are about to go to break.
[16:39.600 --> 16:43.600]  This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio.
[16:43.600 --> 17:01.600]  If you folks will hang on, we will be right back after this break.
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[18:12.600 --> 18:37.600]  All right, folks, we're back.
[18:37.600 --> 18:43.600]  Now, if you'd like to call in and make some comments or have any questions over what we're talking about,
[18:43.600 --> 18:47.600]  number is 512-646-1984.
[18:47.600 --> 18:50.600]  And right now, the phone lines are opening on.
[18:50.600 --> 18:55.600]  So if you have anything you want to talk about regarding this or anything on traffic as usual,
[18:55.600 --> 18:59.600]  then please feel free to call in and let's get on with it.
[18:59.600 --> 19:05.600]  But until we do get that caller, Randy, let's bang our heads together here for a minute
[19:05.600 --> 19:07.600]  and see what kind of sparks we get.
[19:07.600 --> 19:09.600]  What do we do about this?
[19:09.600 --> 19:10.600]  I don't know.
[19:10.600 --> 19:12.600]  You've been working on it all this time.
[19:12.600 --> 19:22.600]  You got any suggestions on how would we attack such a highly political issue?
[19:22.600 --> 19:23.600]  This is not about law.
[19:23.600 --> 19:25.600]  This is about politics.
[19:25.600 --> 19:26.600]  Yep.
[19:26.600 --> 19:32.600]  But the problem is I am neither politically correct nor inclined.
[19:32.600 --> 19:35.600]  It's not about political correctness.
[19:35.600 --> 19:39.600]  It's about what we can do to affect change.
[19:39.600 --> 19:45.600]  Well, it could be because where some people consider it to be politically correct
[19:45.600 --> 19:51.600]  would to not basically put people on edge by standing up and saying to their face
[19:51.600 --> 19:58.600]  what a bunch of lying, scum-sucking thieves they are, which would be more of my tendency.
[19:58.600 --> 20:03.600]  But by the same token, that walking on edge shells thing I'm just not very good at.
[20:03.600 --> 20:06.600]  I'm too big for that.
[20:06.600 --> 20:13.600]  When I say political, I'm thinking how do we apply political pressure?
[20:13.600 --> 20:15.600]  Where do we apply the pressure?
[20:15.600 --> 20:18.600]  If we just get up in their face, they're politicians.
[20:18.600 --> 20:23.600]  I mean, what good does it do to tell a lying, scumbag politician
[20:23.600 --> 20:26.600]  that he's a lying, scumbag politician?
[20:26.600 --> 20:28.600]  Well, he don't care. He knows that.
[20:28.600 --> 20:34.600]  Well, the other thing is, though, is one, how do we assess blame in this case?
[20:34.600 --> 20:36.600]  Because you know what's going to happen.
[20:36.600 --> 20:40.600]  If we stipulate that it's the online version that's out of whack here,
[20:40.600 --> 20:45.600]  then the first thing we're going to hear is, oh, well, the legislature's got nothing to do with that.
[20:45.600 --> 20:47.600]  That's this person's fault or that person's fault.
[20:47.600 --> 20:49.600]  We'll get that taken care of right away.
[20:49.600 --> 20:51.600]  Why wasn't it taken care of to begin with?
[20:51.600 --> 20:54.600]  I mean, this is a text of the Constitution here, people.
[20:54.600 --> 20:57.600]  That should have been verified before it ever got posted.
[20:57.600 --> 21:01.600]  Well, it's because we've sat on our butts,
[21:01.600 --> 21:08.600]  and it's been too much of a problem to rail in righteous indignation.
[21:08.600 --> 21:12.600]  Well, the other thing about this section that you'll find interesting
[21:12.600 --> 21:18.600]  is that on the alleged amendment on the current version of the online Constitution,
[21:18.600 --> 21:27.600]  it shows that the Amendment of November 2, 1999, temporary transition provisions for Section 32,
[21:27.600 --> 21:29.600]  see Appendix Note 1.
[21:29.600 --> 21:31.600]  Well, when you go up Appendix Note 1,
[21:31.600 --> 21:37.600]  there is not a single thing in Appendix Note 1 dealing with this section of the Constitution,
[21:37.600 --> 21:44.600]  nor does it speak to any of the elements of the language that was removed.
[21:44.600 --> 21:51.600]  It's got nothing to do with this section of the Constitution in Note 1, absolutely nothing.
[21:51.600 --> 21:59.600]  So again, it's what they would call in the shoplifting industry a lost leader, okay?
[21:59.600 --> 22:03.600]  It's something you expect to be taken,
[22:03.600 --> 22:06.600]  and so you just keep putting it out because it's cheap and inexpensive,
[22:06.600 --> 22:08.600]  and it doesn't matter if it disappears.
[22:08.600 --> 22:11.600]  They just throw this up here on the online version
[22:11.600 --> 22:15.600]  in the understanding that most people are not going to follow it to the source
[22:15.600 --> 22:17.600]  and determine whether or not this information is correct.
[22:17.600 --> 22:19.600]  They're going to accept it at face value.
[22:19.600 --> 22:22.600]  Okay, so who's publishing this?
[22:22.600 --> 22:23.600]  That's the thing.
[22:23.600 --> 22:27.600]  I don't know who publishes the online version of the statutes
[22:27.600 --> 22:30.600]  and the Constitution on the official government website.
[22:30.600 --> 22:37.600]  Well, at least there is someone, there's a registrant, you know, on the,
[22:37.600 --> 22:43.600]  like if you look up on who is, I mean, couldn't we go after whoever owns the domain name?
[22:43.600 --> 22:45.600]  Well, that's going to be the state.
[22:45.600 --> 22:50.600]  I mean, it's statute.legis.state.tx.us.
[22:50.600 --> 22:52.600]  It's registered to the state.
[22:52.600 --> 22:58.600]  That does not, however, necessarily mean that the state is putting up the content.
[22:58.600 --> 23:00.600]  That could be contracted to anyone.
[23:00.600 --> 23:06.600]  But in general, whoever is the registrant of a domain name is responsible for the content.
[23:06.600 --> 23:12.600]  I mean, if people, if somebody puts up child porn or something outrageous that's illegal,
[23:12.600 --> 23:18.600]  then the prosecutor or the government will go after whoever the registrant is of the domain name.
[23:18.600 --> 23:19.600]  Right.
[23:19.600 --> 23:23.600]  So ultimately, whoever is the registrant is responsible for the content.
[23:23.600 --> 23:29.600]  Whatever department that's assigned to in the head of the department, that's the target.
[23:29.600 --> 23:31.600]  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[23:31.600 --> 23:39.600]  Well, again, the presumption is that the target is an intergovernmental office or department or agency.
[23:39.600 --> 23:44.600]  And, Deborah, though what you're saying is correct, in this particular instance, it wouldn't work
[23:44.600 --> 23:48.600]  because the one that would have to go after them, the attorney general,
[23:48.600 --> 23:52.600]  would be the same one required to defend them and forbidden to do so.
[23:52.600 --> 23:53.600]  Well, wait a minute.
[23:53.600 --> 23:57.600]  In Texas, the attorney general isn't the prosecutor.
[23:57.600 --> 24:02.600]  The attorney general doesn't have any prosecutorial power at all except for in child support cases
[24:02.600 --> 24:09.600]  and in the case of prosecuting public officials who are communists.
[24:09.600 --> 24:11.600]  Believe it or not, that is in statute.
[24:11.600 --> 24:20.600]  And there's one other place in the Open Records Act, a complaint against a prosecuting attorney
[24:20.600 --> 24:25.600]  for violating the Open Records Act is prosecuted by the attorney general.
[24:25.600 --> 24:30.600]  Okay, then who is going to prosecute a state official?
[24:30.600 --> 24:33.600]  The district attorney.
[24:33.600 --> 24:34.600]  Okay.
[24:34.600 --> 24:36.600]  Which district attorney?
[24:36.600 --> 24:37.600]  Whichever county he's in.
[24:37.600 --> 24:40.600]  Travis would be Travis County district attorney.
[24:40.600 --> 24:41.600]  All right.
[24:41.600 --> 24:44.600]  Now, in this case, what's the charge?
[24:44.600 --> 24:49.600]  Half of the government document.
[24:49.600 --> 24:52.600]  Does the website classify as a government document?
[24:52.600 --> 24:57.600]  It's not one of the things listed in the classification or definition of government document.
[24:57.600 --> 25:02.600]  We'll sure claim it is if they're posting it as if it's paid for by the government
[25:02.600 --> 25:09.600]  and it's put up by the government and it purports to be state law,
[25:09.600 --> 25:17.600]  then it's either state law or it's being tampered with.
[25:17.600 --> 25:21.600]  I think we could make that one at least stand before a grand jury.
[25:21.600 --> 25:25.600]  Well, I think that's possible.
[25:25.600 --> 25:29.600]  We don't have to get them indicted, get them asked to answer,
[25:29.600 --> 25:36.600]  and they'll start acting like crabs in a bucket and tell us who told them to make the alterations.
[25:36.600 --> 25:37.600]  Yeah.
[25:37.600 --> 25:44.600]  Well, the other question then becomes even if we got the online content itself corrected
[25:44.600 --> 25:51.600]  through this means or at least this alleged amendment produced
[25:51.600 --> 25:57.600]  so that it can show that the amendment is valid or the alteration is valid,
[25:57.600 --> 26:04.600]  now we're back to the issue of the bypassing of the requirements of this section to begin with
[26:04.600 --> 26:12.600]  through non-public imperative necessity means.
[26:12.600 --> 26:14.600]  Now we're back to the corrupt courts.
[26:14.600 --> 26:23.600]  Exactly, because the legislature is definitely abusing in every possible way
[26:23.600 --> 26:28.600]  that clause of the Constitution.
[26:28.600 --> 26:30.600]  Let's pick a law.
[26:30.600 --> 26:33.600]  Pick one in particular.
[26:33.600 --> 26:40.600]  Whoever voted for it, if it wasn't in the correct form, wasn't done properly,
[26:40.600 --> 26:48.600]  we'd start filing against them individually.
[26:48.600 --> 26:50.600]  Against the individual legislative members?
[26:50.600 --> 26:53.600]  Yes.
[26:53.600 --> 26:58.600]  Okay. And the arguments would be what in that case?
[26:58.600 --> 27:09.600]  Official oppression, violating laws relating to their office or push misconduct.
[27:09.600 --> 27:14.600]  They have no authority to pass a statute that hasn't been,
[27:14.600 --> 27:16.600]  hasn't met all the requirements and the rules.
[27:16.600 --> 27:21.600]  And if they do so, they're all acting in concert inclusion, one with the other.
[27:21.600 --> 27:22.600]  Right.
[27:22.600 --> 27:25.600]  Well, let's see, this brings up a question that I've had about this concerning the rules,
[27:25.600 --> 27:31.600]  the internal house rules or internal parliamentary rules.
[27:31.600 --> 27:37.600]  Do those necessarily fall under the category of law in order for us to be able to prosecute
[27:37.600 --> 27:41.600]  or make these allegations that they violated law related to their office?
[27:41.600 --> 27:45.600]  Because it's pretty clear that in the structure of these parliamentary bodies,
[27:45.600 --> 27:50.600]  they can make whatever rules they want, and so if they break their own rules,
[27:50.600 --> 27:54.600]  I don't know if we really have much recourse to go after them
[27:54.600 --> 27:59.600]  for violating their own parliamentary internal house rules.
[27:59.600 --> 28:01.600]  Are you talking Constitution here?
[28:01.600 --> 28:05.600]  Yeah, this is the Constitution they're violating, not parliamentary proceed.
[28:05.600 --> 28:08.600]  Okay, well that's different.
[28:08.600 --> 28:14.600]  In this case, you know, this is an actual section of Article 3 of the state Constitution
[28:14.600 --> 28:20.600]  that says this is what you must do and these are the conditions under which it may be suspended.
[28:20.600 --> 28:28.600]  And if those conditions aren't met, then by what authority do you declare a public emergency
[28:28.600 --> 28:34.600]  in order to suspend the Constitution requirement of reading over three several days?
[28:34.600 --> 28:42.600]  And what is the emergency anyway?
[28:42.600 --> 28:49.600]  If that is a Constitutional requirement and they violate the Constitutional requirement,
[28:49.600 --> 28:54.600]  whoever does it violates the law related to his office, violates his Constitution,
[28:54.600 --> 28:59.600]  violates his oath and move for court warrant.
[28:59.600 --> 29:08.600]  They're politicians. They're not going to like the political blowback.
[29:08.600 --> 29:14.600]  Well, I'd much rather see the blowout.
[29:14.600 --> 29:19.600]  We need to clean house, folks, top to bottom. We need to clean house.
[29:19.600 --> 29:25.600]  Try to figure out a way to do that.
[29:25.600 --> 29:30.600]  The fact that the legislative members of Texas don't draw a salary for this,
[29:30.600 --> 29:33.600]  they're only paid at best a per diem to go and serve.
[29:33.600 --> 29:39.600]  They still serve voluntarily and that does not give the excuse or authority to them
[29:39.600 --> 29:44.600]  to abrogate the Constitutional requirements of their duty.
[29:44.600 --> 29:46.600]  Okay, we're going to another break.
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[32:32.600 --> 32:33.600]  This is the Wheel of Law.
[32:33.600 --> 32:43.600]  We're taking your calls, 512-646-1984, and we've got Ken from Texas on the line.
[32:43.600 --> 32:44.600]  Ken, thanks for calling in.
[32:44.600 --> 32:46.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[32:46.600 --> 32:47.600]  Well, hi there.
[32:47.600 --> 32:55.600]  Addressing the situation where the laws are passed under a constant state of emergency,
[32:55.600 --> 33:03.600]  I think maybe in these difficult times we need to be sure to fall back on maxims of law.
[33:03.600 --> 33:09.600]  And as I recall from one of them that was particularly noteworthy to me, I read years ago,
[33:09.600 --> 33:15.600]  it was something like let truth be done even if the heavens shall part.
[33:15.600 --> 33:20.600]  And I interpreted that to mean let the chips fall where they may.
[33:20.600 --> 33:26.600]  And I'll be your huckleberry, I'll say since they've all been fraudulently passed in the last 40 years,
[33:26.600 --> 33:29.600]  they need to all be repealed.
[33:29.600 --> 33:33.600]  Well, actually there's a possibility repealing them may not even be necessary
[33:33.600 --> 33:37.600]  because a void act is void ab initio.
[33:37.600 --> 33:43.600]  And if we actually approach the subject of they never had a legal quorum as well,
[33:43.600 --> 33:47.600]  I mean there's multiple issues we're dealing with here, and this is just one of them.
[33:47.600 --> 33:53.600]  But the fact is is that since they've instituted the state bar in 1939
[33:53.600 --> 34:01.600]  and the first lawyer set on the legislature, they have never had a legal quorum in any legislated body
[34:01.600 --> 34:08.600]  because they have been in violation of Article 2 of the Texas Constitution since that day.
[34:08.600 --> 34:13.600]  By violating the division of powers doctrine, by allowing a single individual
[34:13.600 --> 34:17.600]  to exercise the powers of multiple branches of government, that's illegal.
[34:17.600 --> 34:19.600]  That is unconstitutional.
[34:19.600 --> 34:24.600]  And they can't have a quorum with anybody that sits in multiple positions like that.
[34:24.600 --> 34:25.600]  Okay.
[34:25.600 --> 34:31.600]  Well, I think we're going to fail if we ask them to just remove themselves from office
[34:31.600 --> 34:35.600]  and repeal all these laws and make them void ab initio.
[34:35.600 --> 34:40.600]  But I think what we're going to have to do is fall back on the floor of our rights,
[34:40.600 --> 34:45.600]  the federal rights that we have through the U.S. Constitution are declared to be the floor of our rights,
[34:45.600 --> 34:47.600]  the bare minimum.
[34:47.600 --> 34:56.600]  And if our legislators are not doing right, we have a federal cause of action.
[34:56.600 --> 34:59.600]  We may have another one.
[34:59.600 --> 35:06.600]  You know, a lot of people are really getting upset at our government at this point.
[35:06.600 --> 35:10.600]  And we can look for that getting worse.
[35:10.600 --> 35:13.600]  And we all have local grand juries.
[35:13.600 --> 35:20.600]  And I can tell you from experience, officials are afraid of grand juries,
[35:20.600 --> 35:25.600]  because it's what a prosecutor had once in Wise County told me.
[35:25.600 --> 35:30.600]  Those darn grand jurors, they think what they're doing is important.
[35:30.600 --> 35:32.600]  I said, well, it is, Greg.
[35:32.600 --> 35:33.600]  I know that.
[35:33.600 --> 35:35.600]  But I wish they didn't.
[35:35.600 --> 35:39.600]  I just never know what a grand jury's going to do.
[35:39.600 --> 35:43.600]  I bring them cases that I don't think should be prosecuted,
[35:43.600 --> 35:45.600]  and they indict them immediately.
[35:45.600 --> 35:49.600]  I bring them absolute dead bang cases, and they don't indict.
[35:49.600 --> 35:52.600]  You just never know what a grand jury's going to do.
[35:52.600 --> 35:58.600]  And I think that is the best thing you could say about one.
[35:58.600 --> 36:03.600]  For every public official, it's a crap shoot.
[36:03.600 --> 36:06.600]  There's another old saying about the grand juries as well,
[36:06.600 --> 36:13.600]  and that is that if it's not a runaway jury, it's not a true grand jury.
[36:13.600 --> 36:15.600]  Yes, and you heard the saying,
[36:15.600 --> 36:19.600]  any prosecutor worth his salt can get a ham sandwich indicted.
[36:19.600 --> 36:24.600]  Well, the problem the prosecutor has when it comes to public officials
[36:24.600 --> 36:29.600]  is keeping the ham sandwich from getting indicted.
[36:29.600 --> 36:33.600]  You're assuming they have the relevant value of a ham sandwich.
[36:33.600 --> 36:34.600]  Yeah.
[36:34.600 --> 36:40.600]  If we can get people in every county filing with grand juries
[36:40.600 --> 36:46.600]  complaints against legislators, they don't have anything to say about it.
[36:46.600 --> 36:53.600]  And if we can get a few people who pick up on the idea of how to use
[36:53.600 --> 36:58.600]  criminal complaints to stack one on top of each other
[36:58.600 --> 37:05.600]  and end up putting everybody at professional risk,
[37:05.600 --> 37:07.600]  when the public starts hammering grand juries,
[37:07.600 --> 37:10.600]  grand juries are going to start listening.
[37:10.600 --> 37:16.600]  And when grand juries start indicting, everything's going to change.
[37:16.600 --> 37:20.600]  Well, can I give you a possible scenario that I see might happen?
[37:20.600 --> 37:22.600]  Absolutely.
[37:22.600 --> 37:25.600]  I'll throw out an example of what happened,
[37:25.600 --> 37:31.600]  and I have heard happened not so long ago.
[37:31.600 --> 37:36.600]  It turns out that someone did a bunch of research,
[37:36.600 --> 37:39.600]  and I don't know this to be true, but here's what I heard,
[37:39.600 --> 37:44.600]  that the state of Ohio was never properly ratified to the United States.
[37:44.600 --> 37:45.600]  I've heard that.
[37:45.600 --> 37:54.600]  So therefore, all the presidents who came from Ohio were actually never presidents.
[37:54.600 --> 37:56.600]  And I'll just bring this up as an example.
[37:56.600 --> 37:59.600]  Now, I don't know if this is all true or not,
[37:59.600 --> 38:03.600]  but let me tell you what apparently did happen.
[38:03.600 --> 38:11.600]  I think it was in the last 20 or 30 years that this got to be such a hot topic
[38:11.600 --> 38:14.600]  that possibly all the legislature
[38:14.600 --> 38:17.600]  and everything that had been done by any president who had come from Ohio,
[38:17.600 --> 38:20.600]  which was six or seven presidents, I think,
[38:20.600 --> 38:23.600]  that this was possibly going to all be undone.
[38:23.600 --> 38:31.600]  The legislature came out and they said, okay, Ohio is officially a state.
[38:31.600 --> 38:34.600]  And that's in the Federal Register.
[38:34.600 --> 38:37.600]  Did they do it expo facto?
[38:37.600 --> 38:38.600]  Yes, they did that.
[38:38.600 --> 38:41.600]  They said, as of this moment, we're going to settle it.
[38:41.600 --> 38:43.600]  It's actually a state.
[38:43.600 --> 38:45.600]  Oh, just because they said so.
[38:45.600 --> 38:47.600]  Because they said so, yes.
[38:47.600 --> 38:49.600]  So that discussion was over.
[38:49.600 --> 38:53.600]  And this validates the previous laws executed by these illegal presidents.
[38:53.600 --> 38:56.600]  How?
[38:56.600 --> 38:58.600]  Well, I mean, you could argue it both ways, okay?
[38:58.600 --> 39:01.600]  If you're saying it's a state now, that means it wasn't a state before,
[39:01.600 --> 39:04.600]  so you're kind of lending credence to the whole argument, right?
[39:04.600 --> 39:05.600]  Exactly.
[39:05.600 --> 39:07.600]  But they said it was settled.
[39:07.600 --> 39:09.600]  It's now a state and that's all.
[39:09.600 --> 39:15.600]  Now, I can see them coming along with the same logic and saying, okay, you know,
[39:15.600 --> 39:18.600]  if there was a problem, it's too large a problem to address.
[39:18.600 --> 39:22.600]  So we're just going to take a pin here and say, forget that.
[39:22.600 --> 39:25.600]  Well, here's the problem.
[39:25.600 --> 39:29.600]  If a grand jury indicts, they indict.
[39:29.600 --> 39:34.600]  And the legislature don't have a thing to say about it,
[39:34.600 --> 39:37.600]  unless they want to try to eliminate grand juries.
[39:37.600 --> 39:38.600]  Good luck with that.
[39:38.600 --> 39:39.600]  Sure.
[39:39.600 --> 39:44.600]  I mean, they would have to completely change the whole legal system in Texas,
[39:44.600 --> 39:49.600]  and I don't see Texas tolerating it, especially in this climate.
[39:49.600 --> 39:50.600]  Okay.
[39:50.600 --> 39:55.600]  Now, I've been thinking about how to really address the grand jury problem.
[39:55.600 --> 40:01.600]  The problem, you know, I don't know exactly, first, what to say or do about it,
[40:01.600 --> 40:05.600]  but second, how to even contact them en masse.
[40:05.600 --> 40:12.600]  What's to prevent us from having a way to contact the grand juries
[40:12.600 --> 40:17.600]  and something to tell them what's to prevent us from now being charged with jury tampering?
[40:17.600 --> 40:23.600]  Nothing but it also was to prevent us from charging them with tampering
[40:23.600 --> 40:28.600]  with a witness, obstruction of justice.
[40:28.600 --> 40:30.600]  Their problem is prosecuting.
[40:30.600 --> 40:32.600]  They can charge anything they want to.
[40:32.600 --> 40:35.600]  When we start taking control of grand juries, you know,
[40:35.600 --> 40:39.600]  it's like both of us have a revolver.
[40:39.600 --> 40:41.600]  Both of us have one bullet.
[40:41.600 --> 40:42.600]  Sure.
[40:42.600 --> 40:46.600]  You take your best shot, Bubba, because then it's going to be my turn.
[40:46.600 --> 40:50.600]  Well, what really needs to happen is that the grand juries need to take control of themselves
[40:50.600 --> 40:55.600]  because the way they're set up is not for anyone to control them,
[40:55.600 --> 40:58.600]  whether it be the prosecutor or us.
[40:58.600 --> 41:00.600]  They need to take control of themselves.
[41:00.600 --> 41:06.600]  The grand juries used to sit to hear complaints from citizens.
[41:06.600 --> 41:09.600]  That would be a good piece of legislation to put in place.
[41:09.600 --> 41:12.600]  That's not going to happen because you can't control grand juries.
[41:12.600 --> 41:19.600]  And the legislatures are always extremely reluctant to legislate anything
[41:19.600 --> 41:21.600]  to require grand juries to do anything.
[41:21.600 --> 41:25.600]  And I'm in disagreement with passing or attempting to pass legislation
[41:25.600 --> 41:27.600]  to try to structure the grand juries.
[41:27.600 --> 41:33.600]  They need to make that decision of their own accord because once you open the door
[41:33.600 --> 41:38.600]  to start legislating the structure and requiring grand juries to do this or that,
[41:38.600 --> 41:41.600]  then you're going to open the door to Pandora's box.
[41:41.600 --> 41:47.600]  I think a better approach is to have education, jury education.
[41:47.600 --> 41:49.600]  You didn't let me finish.
[41:49.600 --> 41:50.600]  That's okay.
[41:50.600 --> 41:51.600]  You can finish now.
[41:51.600 --> 41:55.600]  I just had to disagree with that statement, that's all.
[41:55.600 --> 42:01.600]  I don't advocate the legislature telling the grand jury a darn thing.
[42:01.600 --> 42:06.600]  What I do advocate is the legislature making option available
[42:06.600 --> 42:15.600]  for the grand jury to meet in public for the purpose of hearing individual complaints
[42:15.600 --> 42:19.600]  so that we don't have the prosecuting attorney interfering.
[42:19.600 --> 42:22.600]  And I think they already have that option.
[42:22.600 --> 42:24.600]  They don't know they have that option.
[42:24.600 --> 42:28.600]  Yeah, there's never a scheduled time of the month or anything
[42:28.600 --> 42:31.600]  for the public to go before the grand jury.
[42:31.600 --> 42:37.600]  And I'm quite sure, at least in Nacogdoches, that the grand jury is not informed
[42:37.600 --> 42:43.600]  that they're able to have a citizen initiate a complaint directly before the grand jury.
[42:43.600 --> 42:44.600]  Right.
[42:44.600 --> 42:48.600]  That's where I was getting at, Eddie, is that they need to be informed
[42:48.600 --> 42:51.600]  so that they can schedule of their own accord.
[42:51.600 --> 42:52.600]  Right.
[42:52.600 --> 42:56.600]  But see, all Randy's point is is that in the part of the legislature
[42:56.600 --> 43:02.600]  is that the legislature must set aside a specific number of days out of the month
[43:02.600 --> 43:07.600]  for that to occur, not to alter what they do when they are doing it,
[43:07.600 --> 43:14.600]  but just the fact that they know for a fact there is a day or several days of the month
[43:14.600 --> 43:19.600]  when they must have themselves accessible to the general public
[43:19.600 --> 43:24.600]  and that the prosecutor is not allowed to tell them yes or no.
[43:24.600 --> 43:27.600]  You can't hear from this individual or group of individuals.
[43:27.600 --> 43:31.600]  Yeah, and on thinking of it, Deborah has kind of got a point there.
[43:31.600 --> 43:38.600]  Maybe it's better to get something to make it clear to the jury, grand jury,
[43:38.600 --> 43:42.600]  they don't answer to the prosecutor, that he has no say,
[43:42.600 --> 43:44.600]  and that would kind of eliminate that issue.
[43:44.600 --> 43:50.600]  I'm just highly reluctant to advocate any legislation that would require grand jury
[43:50.600 --> 43:52.600]  to do anything one way or the other.
[43:52.600 --> 43:53.600]  I agree.
[43:53.600 --> 43:56.600]  All right, we'll be right back.
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[45:24.600 --> 45:27.600]  Okay, we are back, folks.
[45:27.600 --> 45:32.600]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens,
[45:32.600 --> 45:40.600]  and certainly the jurors need to be informed that what they should be doing
[45:40.600 --> 45:46.600]  is holding days where they are open to hearing public complaints,
[45:46.600 --> 45:51.600]  but to pass legislation requiring that, I would have to disagree with that,
[45:51.600 --> 45:57.600]  because once you open the door to start legislating requirements upon the grand jury,
[45:57.600 --> 45:59.600]  you're going to open a Pandora's box,
[45:59.600 --> 46:05.600]  and I fear that the results would be that more and more legislation would come in
[46:05.600 --> 46:08.600]  that would eventually completely nullify the grand jury,
[46:08.600 --> 46:11.600]  even though we had good intentions to start with,
[46:11.600 --> 46:17.600]  because they already have the authority to hold these days
[46:17.600 --> 46:21.600]  where they are open to hearing public complaints without the prosecutor around.
[46:21.600 --> 46:28.600]  They already have the authority to kick the prosecutor out altogether 100% of the time
[46:28.600 --> 46:34.600]  and require the prosecutor to just submit his complaints to them in writing.
[46:34.600 --> 46:37.600]  And so I think if there's going to be any legislation,
[46:37.600 --> 46:41.600]  it should be some legislation regarding informing the grand jury,
[46:41.600 --> 46:45.600]  but not requiring them to do any particular thing one way or the other,
[46:45.600 --> 46:48.600]  because I just don't really think it's a good idea to open that door.
[46:48.600 --> 46:53.600]  Well, maybe the legislation should be directed at the district and county attorneys.
[46:53.600 --> 46:55.600]  That would be better, because...
[46:55.600 --> 47:04.600]  Stipulating that they are to let the public know that on these days every month
[47:04.600 --> 47:08.600]  the grand jury is available for public submittal of complaints.
[47:08.600 --> 47:11.600]  Yeah, or that they're required to inform the grand jury themselves
[47:11.600 --> 47:15.600]  that it would be a good idea for them to do such things.
[47:15.600 --> 47:18.600]  Yeah, but without telling the public, that would be kind of a moot point.
[47:18.600 --> 47:22.600]  Yeah, I know. So everyone needs to know.
[47:22.600 --> 47:27.600]  Right. And so you just write legislation to force that down the throats of the prosecutors
[47:27.600 --> 47:29.600]  where they don't have the option of saying,
[47:29.600 --> 47:32.600]  well, you and I interpret the statutes differently.
[47:32.600 --> 47:33.600]  Right.
[47:33.600 --> 47:41.600]  Or get legislation that says any act by any person that would restrict a citizen
[47:41.600 --> 47:49.600]  from making a complaint to a grand juror would be an act of obstruction of justice.
[47:49.600 --> 47:52.600]  Absolutely. That's a good idea, too.
[47:52.600 --> 47:57.600]  And right now in Texas law, it's already even enumerated rights
[47:57.600 --> 48:04.600]  in the Code of Criminal Procedure that any credible person can submit a complaint to grand jury.
[48:04.600 --> 48:08.600]  Yeah, but that leaves the door open for them to throw out their own interpretation
[48:08.600 --> 48:10.600]  of what a credible person is.
[48:10.600 --> 48:14.600]  Credible person is very clearly defined in law.
[48:14.600 --> 48:20.600]  Yeah, but so is they shall not or they shall do something and they ignore that, too.
[48:20.600 --> 48:22.600]  Yeah, but going to the definition of credible person...
[48:22.600 --> 48:28.600]  If we say they don't pay attention to definitions, then there's no need to talk about definitions.
[48:28.600 --> 48:32.600]  But the definition of credible person is very clearly defined.
[48:32.600 --> 48:38.600]  Over the age of 18, never convicted of a felony, period.
[48:38.600 --> 48:41.600]  End of inquiry.
[48:41.600 --> 48:44.600]  So we got that one handled.
[48:44.600 --> 48:47.600]  Unless you're a felon. Sorry, Bubba.
[48:47.600 --> 48:49.600]  You have to give it to somebody else.
[48:49.600 --> 48:54.600]  You know, I use that all the time, that I'm a credible person.
[48:54.600 --> 49:00.600]  And I have to imply that the restriction applies, that it's obstruction of justice
[49:00.600 --> 49:03.600]  if the attorney interferes, prosecutor interferes.
[49:03.600 --> 49:10.600]  It would be much better if it was clearly stipulated in statute.
[49:10.600 --> 49:15.600]  So I can show it to the grand jury members.
[49:15.600 --> 49:17.600]  They can read.
[49:17.600 --> 49:19.600]  We hope.
[49:19.600 --> 49:23.600]  Well, some of them can.
[49:23.600 --> 49:26.600]  Wait, they're not attorneys.
[49:26.600 --> 49:28.600]  Yeah, well, sometimes they are.
[49:28.600 --> 49:33.600]  Sometimes attorneys get conscripted if they can't find enough grand jurors.
[49:33.600 --> 49:36.600]  But then there will be other people on the grand jury who can read it to them.
[49:36.600 --> 49:38.600]  Oh, there you go.
[49:38.600 --> 49:43.600]  Certainly they all wouldn't be attorneys.
[49:43.600 --> 49:47.600]  All right, let's go to your calls now. The calls are starting to stack up.
[49:47.600 --> 49:54.600]  I think we've got some good ideas for some legislation here to help better inform the grand jurors.
[49:54.600 --> 50:00.600]  All right, we've got Danny in Texas and Wayne in New York.
[50:00.600 --> 50:03.600]  Danny, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[50:03.600 --> 50:06.600]  Okay, well, there's a couple of things that come up earlier there.
[50:06.600 --> 50:13.600]  You told me about the emergency declaration in the bills that the legislature is passing without the three days reading.
[50:13.600 --> 50:16.600]  Okay, that goes back at least to 1899.
[50:16.600 --> 50:28.600]  I know I've looked in some original legislative acts, 1899 or 1897, and that declaration of an emergency was in those.
[50:28.600 --> 50:31.600]  Right, and it can be there.
[50:31.600 --> 50:38.600]  My problem is that it's in every bill, whether it's passed under a public emergency or not.
[50:38.600 --> 50:42.600]  It's in every bill for the last 40 years.
[50:42.600 --> 50:48.600]  Yeah, well, I kind of think it's probably been in every bill way before that too.
[50:48.600 --> 50:49.600]  Well, that's possible.
[50:49.600 --> 51:00.600]  They only go back to what apparently online is 1997 for the particular amendments and legislation they've got available.
[51:00.600 --> 51:08.600]  But I've gone back through some of my law books from the earlier days, and it's still there in some cases.
[51:08.600 --> 51:15.600]  But yeah, I find that to be a little disquieting to say the very least.
[51:15.600 --> 51:21.600]  But you had a point to make about it other than the length of time it's been there?
[51:21.600 --> 51:23.600]  Well, no, that was the main thing.
[51:23.600 --> 51:33.600]  It goes back further than that, and I don't remember what it was that I read, but whatever the legislation was,
[51:33.600 --> 51:39.600]  it didn't sound like anything that would be a real emergency need in this thing to be pushed through real quick.
[51:39.600 --> 51:40.600]  Yeah, exactly.
[51:40.600 --> 51:46.600]  I mean, like the one I read a moment ago, the availability of school supplies on the first day of school.
[51:46.600 --> 51:47.600]  Right.
[51:47.600 --> 51:49.600]  Hey, that could be an emergency.
[51:49.600 --> 51:56.600]  Question, Eddie, what is the legal definition of an emergency?
[51:56.600 --> 52:00.600]  Well, I guess that really depends on who you ask.
[52:00.600 --> 52:08.600]  Well, not, I mean, what does it say in the law constitutes an emergency?
[52:08.600 --> 52:11.600]  Again, whose law are we talking about?
[52:11.600 --> 52:13.600]  Are we talking about the legislative statutes?
[52:13.600 --> 52:16.600]  Blacks, Bouvier case law.
[52:16.600 --> 52:22.600]  Well, let's look at blacks, and then we'll look at Bouvier's.
[52:22.600 --> 52:24.600]  All right.
[52:24.600 --> 52:30.600]  Yeah, and also another question is in that context, are they talking about the governor declaring a state of emergency?
[52:30.600 --> 52:32.600]  I mean, what exactly does this mean?
[52:32.600 --> 52:34.600]  Or the president declaring a state of emergency?
[52:34.600 --> 52:36.600]  I mean, is that what they're talking about?
[52:36.600 --> 52:39.600]  What it usually means is an event occurring at a time of war or invasion.
[52:39.600 --> 52:46.600]  That's what it usually means, or some sort of natural disaster.
[52:46.600 --> 52:51.600]  But in this case, it seems like school supplies constitute an emergency.
[52:51.600 --> 52:53.600]  All right, here we go.
[52:53.600 --> 53:04.600]  Emergency, a sudden unexpected happening, an unforeseen occurrence or condition, perplexing contingency or complication of circumstances,
[53:04.600 --> 53:09.600]  a sudden or unexpected occasion for action, exigency, pressing necessity.
[53:09.600 --> 53:16.600]  Emergency is an unforeseen combination of circumstances that calls for immediate action without time for full deliberation.
[53:16.600 --> 53:27.600]  Okay, what unforeseen circumstances fell upon the heads of the legislative body to determine that school supplies had a sudden imperative?
[53:27.600 --> 53:35.600]  What, did suddenly all the kids in Texas stand up and say, where the hell's my pencil?
[53:35.600 --> 53:39.600]  I mean, how did we get there?
[53:39.600 --> 53:42.600]  It's clear that this is nonsense.
[53:42.600 --> 53:50.600]  What I'm looking at is how do we take the nonsense back to the producers?
[53:50.600 --> 53:56.600]  Isn't that sort of like how they say trying to stuff the crap back in the cow?
[53:56.600 --> 53:59.600]  I wouldn't have exactly said it that way.
[53:59.600 --> 54:07.600]  I've worked on a dairy farm, and that brings up images I could have done without.
[54:07.600 --> 54:11.600]  Maybe Wayne has some input.
[54:11.600 --> 54:14.600]  But Danny, we're talking to Danny right now.
[54:14.600 --> 54:17.600]  Oh, Danny, he's from Texas.
[54:17.600 --> 54:22.600]  He's from New York, and you know Yankees know more about this stuff than we do.
[54:22.600 --> 54:24.600]  All right, now let's see.
[54:24.600 --> 54:26.600]  I'll get to you in just a second, Wayne.
[54:26.600 --> 54:28.600]  I'm just being annoying, Danny.
[54:28.600 --> 54:29.600]  Danny knows me.
[54:29.600 --> 54:31.600]  He knows I'm a chump.
[54:31.600 --> 54:41.600]  Okay, and believe it or not, Bouvier's 1856 has no definition of emergency.
[54:41.600 --> 54:44.600]  Well, how do you like them apples?
[54:44.600 --> 54:45.600]  That's interesting.
[54:45.600 --> 54:47.600]  They didn't have emergencies in 1856.
[54:47.600 --> 54:53.600]  So how does the Supreme Court define emergency if they can't do it with Bouvier's?
[54:53.600 --> 54:57.600]  Well, that's a good question.
[54:57.600 --> 55:02.600]  But it definitely does not appear to be in here.
[55:02.600 --> 55:09.600]  It goes from a Mendel's to immigrant, but it does not contain emergency.
[55:09.600 --> 55:21.600]  However, let's see if by any chance it contains public necessity or something of that nature.
[55:21.600 --> 55:25.600]  Public necessity is a whole different issue.
[55:25.600 --> 55:28.600]  Well, granted, air is a public necessity.
[55:28.600 --> 55:34.600]  But since our Constitution says of imperative public necessity,
[55:34.600 --> 55:40.600]  then let's see if that's actually defined.
[55:40.600 --> 55:45.600]  Well, I think any reasonable person would consider this all to be nonsense.
[55:45.600 --> 55:47.600]  Well, as would I.
[55:47.600 --> 55:57.600]  I'm still thinking grand jury, we start filing against our elected officials with the grand jury.
[55:57.600 --> 55:59.600]  We're going to get their attention.
[55:59.600 --> 56:02.600]  That was my original idea to begin with.
[56:02.600 --> 56:08.600]  If they're passing laws in a manner that is unconstitutional,
[56:08.600 --> 56:13.600]  then they're committing crimes, take it to the grand jury.
[56:13.600 --> 56:22.600]  That was what I was thinking right from the beginning when Eddie was first reading all of that.
[56:22.600 --> 56:27.600]  Well, it's disquieting to say the least.
[56:27.600 --> 56:33.600]  But yeah, that definition in blacks, I haven't looked up what the Supreme Court says
[56:33.600 --> 56:37.600]  because I don't have direct access to Supreme Court cases to do that.
[56:37.600 --> 56:41.600]  That's why I'm always encouraging the listeners out there to volunteer to be on grand jury,
[56:41.600 --> 56:45.600]  to go volunteer to be seated on the grand jury.
[56:45.600 --> 56:50.600]  Because generally they don't have jury duty call for grand juries
[56:50.600 --> 56:53.600]  because it takes up so much of your time.
[56:53.600 --> 57:00.600]  You have to go, well, here in Travis County every other day for a period of several months.
[57:00.600 --> 57:04.600]  And so most people can't do that because they have to work a job.
[57:04.600 --> 57:12.600]  So if you have time on your hands, then I highly would encourage people to go volunteer to be on a grand jury
[57:12.600 --> 57:16.600]  because we need to get informed jurors on these grand juries.
[57:16.600 --> 57:20.600]  We need to get you folks out there on the grand jury so that when we bring criminal complaints to the grand jury
[57:20.600 --> 57:25.600]  against these rogue public officials, they'll get indicted.
[57:25.600 --> 57:28.600]  We're trying to stack the jury, folks. Just kidding.
[57:28.600 --> 57:34.600]  It wouldn't take but one or two indictments and we will get their attention.
[57:34.600 --> 57:37.600]  And Travis County's a place to do it.
[57:37.600 --> 57:41.600]  We got three grand juries at one time.
[57:41.600 --> 57:45.600]  Absolutely, especially since it's a seat of government.
[57:45.600 --> 57:49.600]  So we can start indicting some of these state reps, too, and senators.
[57:49.600 --> 57:52.600]  Since my warrants are gone, I can go down and start hammering them again.
[57:52.600 --> 57:56.600]  Boy, wouldn't I love to get Kirk Watson indicted for something like this.
[57:56.600 --> 58:01.600]  Because you know he's guilty of it because he's been voting on these laws.
[58:01.600 --> 58:08.600]  Well, there is no definition of imperative in either book.
[58:08.600 --> 58:13.600]  So emergency is the best we've got.
[58:13.600 --> 58:16.600]  Okay, Danny, do you have anything else for us? We're heading into break.
[58:16.600 --> 58:24.600]  Yeah, I had one of those things where Eddie was talking about that note in the Constitution about the amendments.
[58:24.600 --> 58:28.600]  Okay, I don't know if it's the one you were reading,
[58:28.600 --> 58:32.600]  but I know there's one that's attached to many of those amendments
[58:32.600 --> 58:38.600]  saying something to the effect that the amendments do not affect vested rights.
[58:38.600 --> 58:40.600]  Yes, that's note number three.
[58:40.600 --> 58:46.600]  Yeah, so if, you know, that's attached to the amendment that you're talking about,
[58:46.600 --> 58:53.600]  I think that you inherit, you know, it was invested with it through your parents or yourself.
[58:53.600 --> 58:58.600]  Okay, listen, we're heading into break. Danny, I will be back on the other side.
[59:23.600 --> 59:50.600]  Okay.
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[01:00:56.600 --> 01:01:01.600]  European finance ministers agreed Sunday on a $717 billion rescue package
[01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:07.600]  to stop the financial crisis in Greece from spreading to other fragile EU economies.
[01:01:07.600 --> 01:01:11.600]  EU finance ministers pledged, quote, to do whatever it takes
[01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:17.600]  to underpin the sinking euro currency and prevent a second phase of the global financial crisis.
[01:01:17.600 --> 01:01:22.600]  In all, $920 billion is standing by to underwrite the sinking euro
[01:01:22.600 --> 01:01:27.600]  and potentially some of the debt of struggling EU member nations.
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[01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:33.600]  we now see wolf pack behavior in the markets,
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[01:01:42.600 --> 01:01:46.600]  The EU's monetary affairs commissioner, Olly Reign, said, quote,
[01:01:46.600 --> 01:01:53.600]  this is not only about Greece, but also about the financial stability of the European Union as a whole.
[01:01:53.600 --> 01:01:59.600]  Israel's secret nuclear activities may undergo unprecedented scrutiny next month
[01:01:59.600 --> 01:02:07.600]  with a key meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency tentatively set to focus on the topic for the first time.
[01:02:07.600 --> 01:02:13.600]  A copy of the provisional agenda of the Atomic Energy Agency's June 7th board meeting
[01:02:13.600 --> 01:02:17.600]  lists Israeli nuclear capabilities as an agenda item.
[01:02:17.600 --> 01:02:24.600]  This is the first time the agency has been asked to deal with the issue in its 52 years of existence.
[01:02:24.600 --> 01:02:29.600]  A senior diplomat said the item included on air of request could be deleted
[01:02:29.600 --> 01:02:36.600]  if the U.S. and other Israeli allies mount strong opposition, even if dropped from the final agenda.
[01:02:36.600 --> 01:02:40.600]  However, its inclusion in the May 7th draft is significant.
[01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:44.600]  The latest pressure is putting Israel in an uncomfortable position.
[01:02:44.600 --> 01:02:49.600]  Israel wants the international community to take stern action to prevent Iran from getting atomic weapons,
[01:02:49.600 --> 01:02:55.600]  but at the same time brushes off calls to come clean about its own nuclear capability.
[01:03:19.600 --> 01:03:26.600]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty
[01:03:26.600 --> 01:03:34.600]  I read his book and it says he cares not for the unsightly
[01:03:34.600 --> 01:03:37.600]  These ones I may come by that don't write
[01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:39.600]  Okay, we are back folks, the rule of law.
[01:03:39.600 --> 01:03:46.600]  Randy, Eddie, Deborah, and Eddie, you're just about to address the last point that Danny was making.
[01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:53.600]  The section that Danny is referring to is note number three, house joint resolution number 75.
[01:03:53.600 --> 01:03:59.600]  And basically what it says is in temporary transition provision subsection A,
[01:03:59.600 --> 01:04:04.600]  this section applies to the amendments to this constitution proposed by house joint resolution number 75
[01:04:04.600 --> 01:04:08.600]  of the 77th legislature in 2001.
[01:04:08.600 --> 01:04:14.600]  Subsection C, the amendment of any provision of this constitution does not affect vested rights.
[01:04:14.600 --> 01:04:21.600]  But now be aware that this note applies only to alterations from the 77th legislature.
[01:04:21.600 --> 01:04:23.600]  It says that right in subsection A.
[01:04:23.600 --> 01:04:30.600]  This section applies to the amendments to this constitution proposed by house joint resolution number 75
[01:04:30.600 --> 01:04:33.600]  of the 77th legislature.
[01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:46.600]  Now, given that, I don't see how that should not apply retroactively to every version of the constitution since its creation
[01:04:46.600 --> 01:04:56.600]  because the legislature nor the people could or should be able to alter the constitution to remove,
[01:04:56.600 --> 01:05:03.600]  abrogate, or derogate a vested right because that puts the ability to control the rights of others
[01:05:03.600 --> 01:05:06.600]  in the hands of others.
[01:05:06.600 --> 01:05:16.600]  And that's exactly the purpose of setting up the constitution to begin with is to ensure that could not happen.
[01:05:16.600 --> 01:05:18.600]  Does that cover for you, Danny?
[01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:26.600]  Well, I believe so, but I believe that same type of kind of language has been in other amendments, too.
[01:05:26.600 --> 01:05:29.600]  Well, it possibly has.
[01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:31.600]  I haven't looked through all the footnotes.
[01:05:31.600 --> 01:05:38.600]  The footnote section is not very big, so what's on here right now, there's not but four footnotes in it.
[01:05:38.600 --> 01:05:48.600]  Yeah, I know, but I also think that after two or three publications of the constitution from when an amendment went in,
[01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:53.600]  they quit printing the notes that went further back.
[01:05:53.600 --> 01:05:56.600]  Right, and I would think that would probably be correct.
[01:05:56.600 --> 01:06:05.600]  What I would like to get my hands on, though, is every amendment that's been done since the inception of the 1876 and earlier.
[01:06:05.600 --> 01:06:14.600]  Okay, well, on the state's constitution and statutes site on the right-hand side down towards the bottom,
[01:06:14.600 --> 01:06:20.600]  there's a table, and you can go get a table that references everything.
[01:06:20.600 --> 01:06:22.600]  Yeah, it references it.
[01:06:22.600 --> 01:06:27.600]  What I'd like to see, though, is the actual language of it because it's not available online,
[01:06:27.600 --> 01:06:34.600]  or at least I haven't found where all the earlier versions would be available online.
[01:06:34.600 --> 01:06:42.600]  But it would be interesting to see what's changed in the language that hasn't got an accompanying amendment to it.
[01:06:42.600 --> 01:06:43.600]  Indeed.
[01:06:43.600 --> 01:06:45.600]  All right, thanks, Danny.
[01:06:45.600 --> 01:06:47.600]  Okay.
[01:06:47.600 --> 01:06:49.600]  Okay, you have a good night.
[01:06:49.600 --> 01:06:52.600]  All right, we're going to go now to Wayne in New York.
[01:06:52.600 --> 01:06:54.600]  Wayne, thanks for calling in.
[01:06:54.600 --> 01:06:56.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:06:56.600 --> 01:07:10.600]  Hey, Eddie, I enjoyed your analogy of the beast in chains, always relentlessly trying to break a link or two and extend his reach
[01:07:10.600 --> 01:07:21.600]  before we start to realize that the government is brutal and lazy and is always trying to increase its dimension with its authority.
[01:07:21.600 --> 01:07:28.600]  And I'm facing, well, five counts of misdemeanors with the federal government.
[01:07:28.600 --> 01:07:38.600]  And what they're able to do then is to completely bypass the grand jury.
[01:07:38.600 --> 01:07:42.600]  It's how well they can bypass your ability to access the grand jury.
[01:07:42.600 --> 01:07:49.600]  See, there's another article that I was reading today where the federal rules of procedure have mandated,
[01:07:49.600 --> 01:07:59.600]  they have removed the constitutional allowance for the federal grand jury to make presentments of its own volition.
[01:07:59.600 --> 01:08:10.600]  They have altered those rules to allow only for indictments signed by the prosecuting attorney at the federal level.
[01:08:10.600 --> 01:08:24.600]  They have removed through legislative or rulemaking fiat the constitutional proclamation and availability of presentments by the grand jury.
[01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:36.600]  Had that not been the case, then you would have just as much right to access the federal grand jury as you would a state grand jury.
[01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:44.600]  And in one court ruling that I've read, it says that there is a Fifth Amendment right
[01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:51.600]  which requires a grand jury indictment for any federal offense at the felony or is punishable in confinement,
[01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:57.600]  penitentiary or hard labor for more than one year.
[01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.600]  But what about the accumulative misdemeanor?
[01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:10.600]  That is, if you have a misdemeanor, like the 7203 Title 26 is a one-year maximum misdemeanor, but there's five of them that could be five years.
[01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:21.600]  No, wait, it's in the code that recurring crimes step up in severity.
[01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:22.600]  Yeah.
[01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:24.600]  I don't remember exactly where it's at.
[01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:32.600]  But you said there was a – can you back up what you were saying about a constitutional right to what with the grand jury?
[01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:41.600]  Well, it says in the court ruling of U.S. v. Deesh that the consideration arises from the indictment clause of the Fifth Amendment,
[01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:51.600]  which requires a grand jury indictment for any federal offense that is a felony or is punishable by confinement in a penitentiary or hard labor.
[01:09:51.600 --> 01:10:04.600]  It has become clear that any federal offense punishable by imprisonment for more than one year is an offense for which the Fifth Amendment requires a grand jury indictment.
[01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:05.600]  Okay.
[01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.600]  I misunderstood that.
[01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:15.600]  I was thinking there was something that gave us an absolute right to go to the grand jury.
[01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.600]  Well, the Fifth Amendment does.
[01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:25.600]  Kind of. We go back to U.S. v. Williams and Scalia's treatment of the grand jury calling it a fifth.
[01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:31.600]  They're a fourth branch of government out of the reach of the executive or judicial branches.
[01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:36.600]  But the executive branch still attempts to exercise control over it.
[01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.600]  That's one of the things I'm trying to undermine.
[01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.600]  Well, Randy, the basic principle of our rights is that we have a right to do whatever we want
[01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:50.600]  as long as we are not violating someone else's rights,
[01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:58.600]  as long as we're not damaging someone else's property or taking someone else's property or life, we can do whatever we want.
[01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:00.600]  That's the basic principle of freedom.
[01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:05.600]  And so, yes, we do have a fundamental right to go to the grand jury.
[01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.600]  That would just fall under a petitioning for redress of grievances, I would think.
[01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.600]  Yeah, but I've been threatened with tampering with the jury if I try to do that.
[01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:16.600]  I told them, take your best shot.
[01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:27.600]  Take your best shot because, at least in Texas, it's enumerated in statute that they can accept complaints from any credible person.
[01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:32.600]  And last time I checked, you were over 18 and not convicted of a felony in your life.
[01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:39.600]  So you're a credible person, so that's a bogus charge.
[01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.600]  That's the way I felt about it.
[01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:49.600]  In my last case, the prosecutor told my attorney, I know who he is,
[01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.600]  and if he starts filing criminal charges, I'm going to charge him with tampering with a government document.
[01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:58.600]  Well, I'm not done with her yet.
[01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.600]  Tampering with a government document for filing a criminal complaint?
[01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:02.600]  Yep.
[01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:03.600]  Give me a break.
[01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:13.600]  So I went to the county attorney's office and wanted to know who was lying to me, my attorney or the prosecutor's attorney,
[01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:18.600]  whichever one was lying to me, and I wanted to file against them.
[01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:20.600]  They threw me out.
[01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:25.600]  Me, a man of my stature.
[01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.600]  What else did you have to go on that subject there, Wayne?
[01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:33.600]  Well, the point is how can one get a fair trial without the grand jury?
[01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:37.600]  How can one get a fair trial where the judge is paid by the government, the prosecutor is paid by the government,
[01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.600]  the public defender is paid by the government?
[01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:41.600]  Well, that's the thing.
[01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:47.600]  Originally speaking, there's no authority for the federal government to conduct a criminal prosecution
[01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:52.600]  of a citizen of one of the several states to begin with.
[01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:56.600]  There's no authority within the Constitution for that to occur.
[01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:59.600]  Absolutely none.
[01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.600]  So where did they get that authority?
[01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.600]  Again, same way they get most of the authority they have right now.
[01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:06.600]  They usurped it.
[01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:07.600]  They took it.
[01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:11.600]  They bribed their way into it.
[01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:17.600]  Well, you said you had assembled some cases about U.S. citizenship.
[01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.600]  Yes, I have.
[01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:24.600]  That's the point of, you know, I'm born an American citizen in a state.
[01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:30.600]  Now, then there's this thing called a U.S. citizen, two different citizenships.
[01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:35.600]  Now, the courts have ruled and admitted that there is this dual, there are these two forms of citizenship.
[01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:43.600]  Well, in actuality, what the courts have ruled is that there is no such thing as the second form of citizenship.
[01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:53.600]  It is simply stipulated as one having the protection of, but the United States in and of itself has no citizens.
[01:13:53.600 --> 01:14:02.600]  That's what the cases I've got show, that there is the inference of dual citizenship.
[01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:14.600]  But in reality, the second one does not exist because you can only be a citizen of the several states of the union.
[01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:29.600]  Okay? And then in any other instance, like it or not, you're a subject to the whims of Congress when you live in a federal enclave possession or territory.
[01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:38.600]  See, the thing about the D.C. gun ban, how they claimed it was unconstitutional, well, if you take the Constitution literally, no, it's not.
[01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:49.600]  Because in Washington, D.C., the Constitution specifically grants the federal government plenary authority, meaning the Constitution does not apply.
[01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:58.600]  They can enact any law in that area they want. It does not have to comply with the Constitution.
[01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:05.600]  So if you choose to live there, then you are not subject to constitutional protection.
[01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:06.600]  It's scary.
[01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:17.600]  Yeah, for the simple reason the Constitution said in these possessions, territories, and enclaves and the District of Columbia, Congress's power is plenary.
[01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.600]  They can do what they want.
[01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:38.600]  It's within the borders of the states that that power was put into chains and forever removed from Congress's ability to exercise it through any means other than the enumerated powers of the Constitution itself.
[01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:46.600]  We just haven't held them to it, hence the analytic that you were speaking of earlier.
[01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.600]  Right.
[01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:54.600]  Well, that's the plenary powers.
[01:15:54.600 --> 01:16:02.600]  So what we've allowed them to do is to break free of the constitutional restrictions to operate within the borders of the states
[01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:09.600]  and allow them to presume the alleged plenary power that they can exercise everywhere else.
[01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:20.600]  And they can't do that. But the problem is, is they get away with it because we have been betrayed by the state government and the local government.
[01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:34.600]  We've betrayed ourselves by not holding the local government accountable, by allowing them to accept federal bribe money to buy their loyalty to the feds instead of to the citizens of the state.
[01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:36.600]  Right.
[01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:38.600]  All right. Thanks, Wayne.
[01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:39.600]  Yep, sure.
[01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:40.600]  Okay.
[01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.600]  All right. When we get back on the other side, we've got Tinker from Texas.
[01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:52.600]  And folks, I just wanted to inform everyone, if you want to call in any time soon, call in tonight because we're taking a week off.
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[01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:25.600]  Well, ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:30.600]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plans.
[01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:35.600]  You put the beer in my pocket, took the money from my ass.
[01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:44.600]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:18:44.600 --> 01:19:00.600]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:05.600]  Ain't gonna drive me with that same old sucker punch.
[01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:10.600]  I get it now, but then I must have been out of luck.
[01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:15.600]  Back then you had room to move, but now you're feeling the crunch.
[01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:36.600]  Ain't gonna get me with that same old sucker punch.
[01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:45.600]  Well, ain't gonna please me with that same old lesson song.
[01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:50.600]  You thought you were right, but now you got it all wrong.
[01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:55.600]  It was a weak moment for me, but I had the power all along.
[01:19:55.600 --> 01:20:01.600]  Ain't gonna please me with that same old lesson song.
[01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:07.600]  Okay, we are back. We are going now to Tinker in Texas.
[01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:11.600]  Tinker, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:16.600]  Good evening. I've spoken with Randy before or so a couple of years ago,
[01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:25.600]  and I very much enjoy Eddie when he does his talks on Monday night.
[01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:30.600]  I'd like to speak with you all about the emergency that you've been talking about.
[01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:34.600]  Only in a little different vein.
[01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.600]  I published a book called War and Emergency Powers,
[01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:45.600]  a special report on the national emergency declared on March 9, 1933.
[01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:50.600]  Randy, are you aware of our book?
[01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:53.600]  No, I wasn't.
[01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:58.600]  I remember you're out of Wichita Falls, if I remember right.
[01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:01.600]  That's correct.
[01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.600]  And y'all were talking about the emergency that they declare
[01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:09.600]  when they're reading the bills in the state legislature.
[01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:17.600]  And one of the reasons they can do that, after 1933 you will see where they did most of that.
[01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:22.600]  They started doing that after 1933.
[01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:30.600]  Of course, on March 9, 1933, this is a little different emergency than most people think of,
[01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:38.600]  like in a local emergency or a state emergency due to some kind of violent storm.
[01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:45.600]  This emergency was declared on March 9, 1933, by the United States Congress.
[01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:53.600]  And most people don't know that we still live under that state of national emergency at all times.
[01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:59.600]  The Lax law dictionary defines national emergency.
[01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:07.600]  It says Congress makes little or no distinction between a state of national emergency and a state of war.
[01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:14.600]  So we have lived under a war government since March 9, 1933.
[01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:19.600]  The rule of law has not applied since 1933.
[01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:29.600]  I know there are certain times that you can get some remedies in courts, but not that often.
[01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:33.600]  It's a pretty tough battle there.
[01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:43.600]  So we wanted to be able to prove that once we saw that the emergency was declared on March 9, 1933, was this true.
[01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:50.600]  So we went to a study that was done on all emergencies declared by the United States government,
[01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:59.600]  and these emergencies were studied in Senate Report 93-549.
[01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:07.600]  And when you go to the forward of that report, the very first sentence in the forward of that report says,
[01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:15.600]  since March 9, 1933, the United States has been under a state of declared national emergency.
[01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:24.600]  And that has not been rescinded because there's only one person that can rescind the state of national emergency,
[01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:28.600]  and that is the President of the United States.
[01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:34.600]  So all your emergency agencies that were formed after 1933,
[01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:41.600]  when you read all the session laws that were passed from 1933 to like around 1940,
[01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:50.600]  you will find that most every, like the Emergency Agriculture Adjustment Act, Emergency Banking Relief Act,
[01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:56.600]  all those acts, all the agencies are all emergency agencies.
[01:23:56.600 --> 01:24:07.600]  And one thing that most people don't know, and we look at the Federal Reserve System, and we want to call it down.
[01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:13.600]  Well, let me give you a little insight here.
[01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:24.600]  On March 9, 1933, in the Emergency Banking Relief Act, whenever they took all the gold up across the United States,
[01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:32.600]  then all the banks in a few days after they closed the banks, they opened with a license from the Secretary of the Treasury.
[01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:41.600]  But all money that's issued since March 9, 1933, has been issued by the Treasurer of the United States.
[01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:48.600]  Most people don't know this because the law states upon the deposit with the Treasurer of the United States
[01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:54.600]  of any note, draft, bill of exchange, or any other banker's acceptance,
[01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:59.600]  the Treasurer is authorized to issue the circulating notes in blank.
[01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.600]  That's what the law says.
[01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:10.600]  And if you go to the Congressional record, you will find that in there, you will find that they said,
[01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:20.600]  is this a change of the holder of the security from the Federal Reservation to the Treasurer of the United States?
[01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:26.600]  So what you had, you had a complete coup of banking in the United States.
[01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:35.600]  And what happened was is that all currency issued since March 9, 1933, is emergency currency.
[01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:43.600]  The reason I can tell you this with authenticity is I know some men that were in a Federal case,
[01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:50.600]  and they were charged with plotting a frivolous lawsuit against the government.
[01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:57.600]  So they came out and the judge issued that they would pay $18,000 to the government
[01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:05.600]  for the cost of the government fighting the case and entering the case.
[01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:10.600]  These men came back and they showed the government or the court,
[01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:18.600]  they showed them that since March 9, 1933, no one has been paid for anything they've done.
[01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:22.600]  House Joint Resolution 192 proves that succinctly.
[01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:32.600]  Now, what transpired there was is that we showed them or they showed them in that case
[01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:37.600]  that since March 9, 1933, we've only had emergency currency.
[01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.600]  And you know you can't pay your debts at all.
[01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:43.600]  All you can do is discharge your debt.
[01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:49.600]  And that's all we can do in America with our currency that we have today.
[01:26:49.600 --> 01:27:00.600]  So I'd like to read you a paragraph that comes from Senate Report 93549.
[01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:03.600]  Eddie, that was about a thousand-page report.
[01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:06.600]  Okay, and just to let you know, Tinker, you've got about two minutes,
[01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:09.600]  and then we're going to have to move on because we've got other calls.
[01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:10.600]  So go ahead.
[01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:17.600]  It says, This vast range of power taken together confer enough authority to rule the country
[01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:21.600]  without reference to normal constitutional process.
[01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:27.600]  Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may seize property,
[01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:35.600]  organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad,
[01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:41.600]  institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication,
[01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:47.600]  regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel,
[01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:53.600]  and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.
[01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:58.600]  Now that was a quotation from the United States Senate.
[01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:08.600]  So yes, we live under a state of emergency, and the law of – we have no rule of law.
[01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:10.600]  The law of necessity applies.
[01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:11.600]  Exactly.
[01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:13.600]  The law of necessity is what we're dealing with.
[01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:18.600]  Now, my question about all this is I've kind of already known a lot of what you're saying here, Tinker,
[01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:21.600]  about at the federal level being in a state of emergency,
[01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:26.600]  but does that necessarily mean that within the sovereign states of the Union
[01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:29.600]  that we're in a state of emergency?
[01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.600]  I don't see how that necessarily would translate.
[01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:33.600]  Let me address that.
[01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:40.600]  It takes the state constitution, Article 3, Section 62, continuity of state and local governmental operations,
[01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:43.600]  suspension of constitutional procedural rules.
[01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:48.600]  Subsection A, the legislature, in order to ensure continuity of state and local government operations
[01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:52.600]  and periods of emergency resulting from disasters caused by enemy attack,
[01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:56.600]  shall have the power and the immediate duty to provide for prompt and temporary succession
[01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:00.600]  to the powers and duties of public offices of whatever nature
[01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:03.600]  and whether filled by election or appointment,
[01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:08.600]  the incumbents of which may become unavailable for carrying on the powers and duties of such offices,
[01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:14.600]  provided, however, that Article 1 of the Constitution of Texas, known as the Bill of Rights,
[01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:23.600]  shall not be in any manner affected, amended, impaired, suspended, repealed, or suspended hereby.
[01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:33.600]  So they can declare all the state of emergency they want, and it does not alter Article 1 of the Texas Constitution.
[01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.600]  So in other words, even though the feds say it's a state of emergency,
[01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:40.600]  that doesn't necessarily mean that we're in a state of emergency here in Texas.
[01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:41.600]  That's correct.
[01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:42.600]  That's what I thought.
[01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:43.600]  Okay, Tinker, thank you for the information.
[01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:44.600]  It's very helpful.
[01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:47.600]  We need to move on, however, because we've done a lot of calls.
[01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:48.600]  Thanks, Tinker.
[01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:49.600]  Thank you very much.
[01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:53.600]  That doesn't mean that the feds don't operate within the state.
[01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:54.600]  Right.
[01:29:54.600 --> 01:30:00.600]  Okay, we'll be back on the other side.
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[01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:25.600]  Okay, we are back.
[01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:26.600]  We are going to calls.
[01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:28.600]  William in Texas.
[01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:32.600]  William, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.600]  Hey, how's it going, y'all? You guys are awesome.
[01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:37.600]  Thank you.
[01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:41.600]  Actually, this one is for Eddie,
[01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:46.600]  and I was just wondering if he could restate the difference between motor vehicle
[01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:52.600]  and privately owned automobile.
[01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:59.600]  I've been kind of going over some of his judicial traffic stop,
[01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:02.600]  and I just kind of had some questions on that,
[01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:06.600]  as well as person pertaining in the code and natural person.
[01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:13.600]  Okay. Well, the easiest answer to that is despite all the definitions of all those things,
[01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:17.600]  the key to it is that it all starts with the license.
[01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:22.600]  The requirement to have the license makes a determination about everything else.
[01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:26.600]  Once you understand what the license is and what it isn't,
[01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:31.600]  then the realization comes that the other things, including the motor vehicle,
[01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:35.600]  must have an association with the license.
[01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:40.600]  If you can prove that the license is commercial in nature,
[01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:49.600]  and you can show that the operation of a motor vehicle is dependent upon the requirement of that commercial license,
[01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:54.600]  then the nexus exists for the proclamation that the motor vehicle itself
[01:33:54.600 --> 01:34:00.600]  must be involved in a commercial activity requiring the use of that license.
[01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:06.600]  So even in those regards, you don't have to get that far down into the definitions to make the argument.
[01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:14.600]  A motor vehicle, by definition, is one that requires the operator to have
[01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:20.600]  and to be in immediate possession of a commercial driver's license,
[01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:27.600]  whether it be a CDL version or a non-CDL version of the commercial driver's license.
[01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:34.600]  And the differences between the two is the CDL, from reading through the statutes,
[01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:39.600]  is the only one of the two that may actually, or one of the two modes,
[01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:46.600]  that will actually allow the operation of a motor vehicle that has a hazardous materials placard.
[01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:50.600]  And that endorsement must exist on the CDL.
[01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:56.600]  You can't get a non-CDL with a hazardous materials placard endorsement.
[01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:59.600]  So that's really the distinction in the license.
[01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:05.600]  It's the same license just with a different capability of endorsement
[01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:09.600]  because the operation of the motor vehicles are identical.
[01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:14.600]  The only real difference between them is the hazardous material placard requirement.
[01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:18.600]  So does that sort of help, or do you still need that information?
[01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:20.600]  That does sort of help.
[01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:26.600]  I'm just trying to hash out some tickets, and I'm like, wait a minute.
[01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:31.600]  Some of the information I do understand, but some of it I'm still kind of scratching my head on.
[01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:35.600]  I haven't got any of your materials, but Dan West sent over me some of his stuff,
[01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:37.600]  so I'm kind of going through it.
[01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:38.600]  Okay.
[01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:42.600]  Well, if you would like to get in touch with me via email,
[01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:46.600]  I can consult with you directly on that and see what I can do to help you.
[01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:48.600]  That would be a lot easier than doing it in the time limit we've got tonight.
[01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:50.600]  Oh, I understand.
[01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:51.600]  I do appreciate it.
[01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:52.600]  Okay.
[01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:53.600]  All right.
[01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:54.600]  Thanks, man.
[01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:55.600]  You're welcome.
[01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:56.600]  Okay.
[01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:58.600]  We are going now to Michael in Maryland.
[01:35:58.600 --> 01:35:59.600]  Michael, thanks for calling in.
[01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:01.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:02.600]  Hey, good evening, folks.
[01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:04.600]  I echo the last caller sentiment.
[01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:05.600]  You guys are awesome.
[01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:11.600]  So did I hear correctly that you all are taking a probably much deserved 10-day hiatus from the program?
[01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:12.600]  Something like that.
[01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:14.600]  We'll be back on the 20th.
[01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:15.600]  Okay.
[01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:19.600]  Is that just to kind of get a breather, or is that related to this whole FCC thing?
[01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:21.600]  It has nothing to do with the FCC thing.
[01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:29.600]  Eddie and Randy are going on a business trip, and they'll be in an area where they won't have high-speed Internet connection at night.
[01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.600]  And so they won't be able to do the show, and I need a break.
[01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:37.600]  So instead of scheduling guests and carrying the show myself, I'm just going to take a break, too.
[01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:38.600]  Well, wonderful.
[01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:39.600]  Congratulations.
[01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:40.600]  Hope you all enjoy your break.
[01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:41.600]  Thanks.
[01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:47.600]  So I guess the only thing I want to know, and by the way, it was very interesting to hear what you had to say there, Eddie,
[01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:54.600]  about the distinction between the rights of a person living in Washington, D.C., and those who are living in one of the states.
[01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:55.600]  That's very interesting.
[01:36:55.600 --> 01:37:02.600]  I was wondering if somebody called in some time ago and mentioned a video called Know Your Constitution by Carl Miller.
[01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.600]  And I went out and Googled that and have been watching quite a bit of it.
[01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:12.600]  The gentleman really seems to know his stuff, and I was curious because it seems as though the videos are dated around 1995.
[01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:22.600]  I was curious to know if any of you three had seen it before and it might have shaped your thinking because the resemblance is quite uncanny.
[01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:30.600]  Yes, actually, I have seen the entire series of them, and I have them downloaded and archived and collected for my own use.
[01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:31.600]  Very good.
[01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:33.600]  And so I do send them.
[01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:40.600]  They're actually packaged not for sale but just as reference material in my seminar material.
[01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:47.600]  I've got all the videos downloaded and set up to disseminate on that for people to learn from.
[01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:48.600]  Wow.
[01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:49.600]  Okay.
[01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:50.600]  Wow.
[01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:51.600]  That's really great.
[01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:52.600]  All right.
[01:37:52.600 --> 01:38:01.600]  Well, I guess I don't have anything further except to say that I look forward to hearing back from Randy with regards to the remedies in real estate.
[01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.600]  Whenever the time permits, I understand he's about to go away.
[01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:08.600]  So if it takes a couple weeks to reply to my most recent emails, that would be great.
[01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.600]  Enjoy your time off, folks, and thank you so much for all you do.
[01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:13.600]  I'll let some other callers call in now.
[01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:14.600]  Thank you.
[01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:15.600]  Thanks, Michael.
[01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:16.600]  Bye-bye.
[01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:17.600]  Bye.
[01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:18.600]  Okay.
[01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:20.600]  We are going now to Carl in Texas.
[01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:21.600]  Carl, thanks for calling in.
[01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:23.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:33.600]  Well, after having listened to you all earlier on all these laws that they're passing that do nothing to take freedoms and property away from us,
[01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:42.600]  you know, the House and the Senate and the legislatures sound like such a big humongous muscle that we can't overcome.
[01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:49.600]  But you know, in every one of these, I've been looking at this up, you've got a couple of leaders at the head,
[01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:56.600]  whether it's the Senate or the House, the representatives in the state or national level,
[01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:05.600]  you've got two individuals that have a constitutional mandate that goes with their office.
[01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:11.600]  And like the Texas House, you have the Speaker of the House, which is Joe Stroud,
[01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:16.600]  and you have the Speaker of the House, which is number two, which is Craig Elin.
[01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:27.600]  In the Texas Senate, we have the President of the Senate, which is David Duhirsch, and then you have the President from Tim,
[01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:30.600]  which is Robert Duncan.
[01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:32.600]  And Duhirsch is right here in Austin.
[01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:34.600]  He resides here.
[01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:42.600]  So he could be, you know, things could be charged on him here in Travis County.
[01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:50.600]  Because ultimately, his responsibility is to see or see that the House follows
[01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:55.600]  and the Senate follows the Constitution because it's the mandate of their office.
[01:39:55.600 --> 01:40:01.600]  And I'd just like to see how Eddie would respond to that.
[01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:10.600]  Well, the thing about it is, is yeah, you've always got the ones that are in charge,
[01:40:10.600 --> 01:40:12.600]  the chairmen's and so on and so forth.
[01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:17.600]  But what is supposed to happen is these individuals, and they are individuals,
[01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:23.600]  despite the fact that they're led around by their parties, by their no's,
[01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:34.600]  are supposed to be voting their conscience as it relates to the full rights and benefit to the American people
[01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:38.600]  or even in our state legislature to the people of Texas.
[01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:44.600]  When they fail to do that, they're betraying the public trust.
[01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:51.600]  When they give way to their own personal ambitions, profit or power and authority
[01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:58.600]  or any other excuse they try to use for doing what they're doing when they cast their vote,
[01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:01.600]  that's a betrayal of the greatest magnitude.
[01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:04.600]  It is tantamount to treason in my personal opinion.
[01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:09.600]  And that's how I would respond to it.
[01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:16.600]  Well, I think you have to, you know, you have to have a point of the spear that you point at a problem.
[01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:23.600]  And the people that are in the leadership, you know, we have one of them right here in Travis County,
[01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:30.600]  which I don't know all the charges or the different articles that could be filed against me.
[01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:36.600]  But I'm sure with a little bit of focus, you know, that's a good, I think it's a good place to start
[01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:39.600]  because we can talk about the injustice of everything.
[01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:46.600]  But I think, you know, and it takes time and money and lots of time to start a lawsuit like this.
[01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:48.600]  Well, that's true.
[01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:52.600]  In some cases you're referring to, like when you're referring to the point of the spear,
[01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:59.600]  the point of the spear is great if you want to kill something like that cleanly with no muss or fuss, you know.
[01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:03.600]  However, personal opinion, there are times when you can get great joy
[01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:14.600]  and benefit from killing it with a hammer instead.
[01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:17.600]  Oh, my goodness.
[01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:23.600]  No, it's interesting when you look at the organization, at the organizational charge of how this stuff is laid out.
[01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.600]  There's only a couple of people here that really lead the, you know,
[01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:29.600]  they're all being led by the money and by the banking interest.
[01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.600]  But there's a couple of people that have to lead the, you know, the majority of the Senate
[01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:40.600]  and the majority of the House around by their nose, too, and sway the votes and get the following.
[01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:41.600]  Well, that's true.
[01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:46.600]  Here in Texas, for instance, the Judicial Commission,
[01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:52.600]  there is only one attorney on the Judicial Commission here in Texas,
[01:42:52.600 --> 01:42:55.600]  and he just happens to be the chairman of the committee.
[01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:59.600]  Is it any wonder why that the bills affecting the Code of Criminal Procedure
[01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:08.600]  and the penal code and such that come from this committee benefit no one but the attorneys?
[01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:14.600]  But if these leaders aren't having three readings of the bills before they're voted on,
[01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:16.600]  then that's case and point law.
[01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:17.600]  That's point law.
[01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:23.600]  That's point blank law that they've broken, you know.
[01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:27.600]  But like I said earlier in the show, the fact of the matter is,
[01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:33.600]  this is a bar-card-carrying attorney acting as a member of the legislature
[01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:39.600]  that is absolutely forbidden under Article 2 of the Constitution.
[01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:44.600]  It is forbidden because he occupies multiple branches of government
[01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:48.600]  and exercises the power of multiple offices.
[01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:50.600]  All right, Carl, listen, do you have anything else?
[01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:51.600]  No, point made.
[01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:52.600]  Thank you very much.
[01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:53.600]  All right, thank you, Carl.
[01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:56.600]  We're going to go to Ray in Texas next.
[01:43:56.600 --> 01:44:06.600]  We'll be right back.
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[01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:53.600]  And we're coming to the homestretch here, final segment.
[01:45:53.600 --> 01:46:00.600]  Y'all have about 13 minutes to talk to us until the 20th.
[01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:02.600]  Going on a little hiatus.
[01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:04.600]  So we've got Gary in Georgia.
[01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:06.600]  Ray from Tex was on the board.
[01:46:06.600 --> 01:46:08.600]  You were next, Ray, and then you dropped off the line.
[01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:10.600]  So we're going to go to Gary.
[01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:11.600]  Thanks, Gary.
[01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:12.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:14.600]  Oh, as always, Deborah.
[01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:19.600]  I don't have to act a lot, but I'll be precise.
[01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:20.600]  Thanks, Danny.
[01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:28.600]  Me and other people have done research regarding CODL 49, 49 CFR,
[01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:30.600]  and Georgia Motor Vehicle Code.
[01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:34.600]  They defined a motor vehicle.
[01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:43.600]  And in the code section itself, relative to tags, licenses, it's all commercial.
[01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:50.600]  I'll read the motor vehicle means a vehicle, machine, tractor, trailer.
[01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:52.600]  I'll try to be quick.
[01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:59.600]  Or semi-trailer propelled or drawn by mechanical power used on the highway.
[01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:06.600]  Only or any other vehicle required to be registered under the laws of this state
[01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:15.600]  but does not include any vehicle, machine, tractor, trailer or semi-trailer operated exclusively on a rail.
[01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:19.600]  But there are no implementing regulations.
[01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:26.600]  They passed January this year the Georgia Super Speed Law.
[01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:36.600]  Well, there are no implementing legislative regulations that would affect mine or anyone else's rights and duties.
[01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:38.600]  So it's void.
[01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:49.600]  What you do is write an open records act and ask the commissioner of your department to certify under Rule 44
[01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:57.600]  that there's a record or lack of record of a legislative regulation that would affect you.
[01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:03.600]  And therefore, it stands as best evidence, rules, trick, proof.
[01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:09.600]  One other thing, and then I'll hang up and let Eddie or anyone make comments.
[01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:22.600]  Relative to here in Columbus, Georgia, I made a call on Friday evening on the show that we have this so-called environmental court
[01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:25.600]  where they put people in jail for not cutting the grass.
[01:48:25.600 --> 01:48:28.600]  Well, as I say, guess what?
[01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:37.600]  These so-called judges, they put on a gown, which they read me out of court, won't let me go see them.
[01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:48.600]  Nevertheless, they're private attorneys and they're not judges and notwithstanding, it's not a real court.
[01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:50.600]  It's an administrative tribunal.
[01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:54.600]  So I'll hang up because I know you've got other callers.
[01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:55.600]  And God bless you.
[01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:56.600]  Take care. Bye.
[01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:00.600]  Thanks, Gary.
[01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:03.600]  Guys, comments?
[01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:07.600]  Nope, that's pretty much the same stuff that I've always been aware of.
[01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:10.600]  And Gary, I appreciate you bringing it up.
[01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:17.600]  If these guys are attorneys, they are sure liable to bar grievances.
[01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:18.600]  That's a fact.
[01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:20.600]  Just for the fun of it.
[01:49:20.600 --> 01:49:21.600]  That's a fact.
[01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:29.600]  If your legislator does something you don't like, just file a bar grievance against them.
[01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:31.600]  If they're an attorney, that is.
[01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:42.600]  These guys, Gary was talking about that are sitting in these administrative tribunals, zap them.
[01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:47.600]  They want to make it tough on you, make it tough on them.
[01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:49.600]  Exactly.
[01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:50.600]  Okay, we're going to go on.
[01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:52.600]  We've got Ray in Texas has called back in.
[01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:53.600]  Ray, thanks for calling in.
[01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:58.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:03.600]  Ray in Texas.
[01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:05.600]  Ray, are you there?
[01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:06.600]  Yes.
[01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:07.600]  Hi.
[01:50:07.600 --> 01:50:08.600]  I didn't know it was on.
[01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:09.600]  Okay, thanks for calling in.
[01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:10.600]  I'm getting ready to die.
[01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:11.600]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:12.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:13.600]  Is Randy there?
[01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:16.600]  I just wanted to confirm tomorrow.
[01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:17.600]  Is Randy there?
[01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:18.600]  Confirm tomorrow.
[01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:19.600]  This is a radio show you're calling in.
[01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:21.600]  This isn't Randy's personal cell phone.
[01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:22.600]  Oh, okay.
[01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:23.600]  Sorry about that.
[01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:26.600]  Do you have a question for us to answer on the air?
[01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:29.600]  I was just listening to all the stuff about the accepted-for-value stuff.
[01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:31.600]  I'm really amazed by all this stuff.
[01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:33.600]  Our stuff about accepted-for-value?
[01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:35.600]  We haven't been talking about that.
[01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:38.600]  Yeah, that's not something we're in the habit of doing.
[01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:42.600]  Well, about the 1933, about the, how do you say?
[01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:44.600]  About the bankruptcy?
[01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:45.600]  Yes.
[01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:46.600]  The state of emergency?
[01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:50.600]  Exactly.
[01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:53.600]  There's been a lot of talk about that, and I've done a lot of reading about it,
[01:50:53.600 --> 01:50:58.600]  but I still don't have enough to understand most of the reading I wind up doing.
[01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:02.600]  It turns out to be somebody's opinion rather than any substantive law,
[01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:11.600]  so I'm still kind of at a loss as to how all of that works.
[01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:12.600]  Okay.
[01:51:12.600 --> 01:51:13.600]  Is this Randy?
[01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:14.600]  Yes.
[01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:15.600]  Okay.
[01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:18.600]  We get the appointment for tomorrow still, 830 in the morning?
[01:51:18.600 --> 01:51:19.600]  Yes.
[01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:20.600]  Okay, great.
[01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:21.600]  I'll talk to you about it then.
[01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:22.600]  Okay.
[01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:24.600]  Give a bye.
[01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:25.600]  Okay.
[01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:27.600]  I've looked into that.
[01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:34.600]  And folks, 512-646-1984 is the caller line for this radio show,
[01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:38.600]  is the call-in number to talk to us on the air on the radio show.
[01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.600]  This is not a conference call, and that phone number is not Randy's personal cell phone.
[01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:43.600]  Okay.
[01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:48.600]  There seems to be a lot of confusion going on out there concerning these phone numbers.
[01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:52.600]  512-646-1984 is the caller number.
[01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:58.600]  512-485-9010 is a listener line to listen only.
[01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:01.600]  If you just want to listen, you can call the listener line
[01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:05.600]  or preferably pull the stream from ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:06.600]  Again, this is a radio show.
[01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:12.600]  This is not a conference call, and certainly the 1984 number is the call-in line
[01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:14.600]  for people to call and talk to us on the air on the radio show.
[01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:16.600]  If you want Randy's cell phone number,
[01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:19.600]  you'll have to email and ask him for that yourself.
[01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:25.600]  You mean if people call me on that number, the co-hosts won't take messages for me?
[01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:31.600]  Well, I don't see why that would even be necessary since this is your radio show, too,
[01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:35.600]  and you would be here if they called in.
[01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:41.600]  I was thinking about some of these other co-hosts that don't have a lot to talk about.
[01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:43.600]  Speaking of that...
[01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:44.600]  Co-hosts that don't have a lot to talk about?
[01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:48.600]  Greg Chapman, they don't talk about the commercial end too much,
[01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:52.600]  so they would take a message for me, I'm sure.
[01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:55.600]  But yeah, if you want to know about the commercial process,
[01:52:55.600 --> 01:53:01.600]  Greg and the Jenna 21 show is really the one to call on that.
[01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:04.600]  They're much more knowledgeable than me.
[01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:10.600]  It may just be that they understand what they read and I didn't,
[01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:16.600]  but I've looked at it and people are making claims about it
[01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:21.600]  and trying to file all sorts of instruments with the government
[01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:23.600]  and they're winding up getting in trouble over it.
[01:53:23.600 --> 01:53:27.600]  So I have a problem with dealing with it.
[01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:32.600]  We on this show, we tend to avoid the commercial process.
[01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:36.600]  I would like to find out how to use the commercial process,
[01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:43.600]  how to use it statutorily and not idealistically.
[01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:47.600]  Idealistically, it always gets me in trouble.
[01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:49.600]  And frankly, with the real estate issue,
[01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:55.600]  we're using some of the Uniform Commercial Code, 3-501,
[01:53:55.600 --> 01:54:06.600]  where if a lender challenges a borrower when they present a petition for payment
[01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:11.600]  and demands they produce the note, they must produce the note,
[01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:14.600]  but the lender doesn't have to pay.
[01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:19.600]  And that doesn't just go to mortgages, that goes to any presentment,
[01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:22.600]  because it goes to a security.
[01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:28.600]  If I bring a security, like if I come to the bank and have a photocopy of a check,
[01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:30.600]  a check's a promissory note,
[01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:35.600]  just like the note you filled out when you got your mortgage.
[01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:40.600]  If I want to cash the promissory note and want to get payment on it,
[01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:43.600]  the bank's going to want to see the note.
[01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:45.600]  I can bring them a photocopy,
[01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:50.600]  but then they're going to want to give me a photocopy of the cash.
[01:54:50.600 --> 01:54:54.600]  And we know as soon as I bring them the real one, they'll give me the real money.
[01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:58.600]  And this is an issue we're taking up with the mortgage issue.
[01:54:58.600 --> 01:55:05.600]  When someone tries to come in and collect, show me the note.
[01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:07.600]  And they want to show you a photocopy.
[01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:08.600]  Well, that's nice.
[01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:11.600]  I'll give you a photocopy of a $1,000 bill.
[01:55:11.600 --> 01:55:13.600]  And we're even.
[01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:17.600]  Well, somehow they don't want to take that.
[01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:22.600]  That's as far as I get so far, for the most part, into the commercial process.
[01:55:22.600 --> 01:55:29.600]  But if anybody has law supporting these claims and issues
[01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:35.600]  and these promissory notes you can write on the treasury
[01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:38.600]  and get the treasury to discharge your debt,
[01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:45.600]  I'd like to see the law on it and not a bunch of opinion about the law.
[01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:50.600]  Well, from what I understand, Randy, Agenda 21 guys, they have a guest.
[01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:53.600]  His name is Chris that they have on pretty frequently.
[01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:57.600]  And the law that he's discussed on that basically boils down to this.
[01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.600]  You have to get written permission, official written permission
[01:56:01.600 --> 01:56:04.600]  from the secretary of the treasury if you want to write
[01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:06.600]  bonded promissory notes off the treasury.
[01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:10.600]  If you don't have to express explicit written permission
[01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:13.600]  from the secretary of the treasury himself,
[01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:15.600]  official permission from the secretary of the treasury,
[01:56:15.600 --> 01:56:18.600]  then you can't write bonded promissory notes off the treasury.
[01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:19.600]  And that's just all there is to it.
[01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:22.600]  And so there are people who have gone through the process
[01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.600]  to get that official permission.
[01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:29.600]  But apparently it's a very extreme amount of work.
[01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:30.600]  And we can't.
[01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:32.600]  I don't know the whole process.
[01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:36.600]  And Chris does discuss that process on Agenda 21 at times.
[01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:37.600]  All right.
[01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:38.600]  We've got some callers on the line.
[01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:41.600]  We've got Eric, Linda, Stephen.
[01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:43.600]  Boy, we've got like two minutes left, folks,
[01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:46.600]  so I don't know how much time we've got.
[01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:52.600]  We're going to go briefly to Eric in North Carolina.
[01:56:52.600 --> 01:56:54.600]  Okay, Eric, quickly, what's on your mind?
[01:56:54.600 --> 01:56:58.600]  Real quickly, I wonder if you can explain why people sometimes
[01:56:58.600 --> 01:57:06.600]  give the disclaimer that, oh, I'm not making any legal advice.
[01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:13.600]  Well, because in Texas law, if I tell you anything about law,
[01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:16.600]  technically I'm in violation of the statute.
[01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:22.600]  But the statute is so horrendously constitutionally void
[01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:27.600]  that they won't try to enforce it or it gets thrown out.
[01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:30.600]  What's the basis of them restricting that?
[01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:32.600]  Attorneys don't want us,
[01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:35.600]  they don't really want us to know the law.
[01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:40.600]  Yeah, it's essentially illegal for anybody to talk about law.
[01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:43.600]  Now, you're required to know it, but you can't talk about it.
[01:57:43.600 --> 01:57:45.600]  Yeah.
[01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:47.600]  Give me a break.
[01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:50.600]  I guess you're supposed to learn it by osmosis.
[01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:53.600]  Okay, we are going now to Linda in Texas.
[01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:54.600]  Linda, thanks for calling in.
[01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:56.600]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:57:56.600 --> 01:58:00.600]  Well, since our city of Austin is forcing fluoride down our throats
[01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:05.600]  against our will, I just wanted to make a plea for everybody
[01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:07.600]  to show up at City Hall this Thursday,
[01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:10.600]  because two of us will be speaking out against fluoride,
[01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:17.600]  trying to get city council to stop adding this fluoride waste product to our water.
[01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:21.600]  And I think that has to do something with Agenda 21 as well,
[01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:24.600]  but I'm not quite read up on the subject.
[01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:27.600]  But we are asking people to show up at City Hall this Thursday
[01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:32.600]  about 11.45 a.m. free parking on Lavaca Street.
[01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:34.600]  All right, excellent.
[01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:35.600]  Everybody in Austin show up.
[01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:39.600]  We have to get this poison, this deadly poison, out of our water.
[01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:42.600]  If they weren't selling it as a product,
[01:58:42.600 --> 01:58:46.600]  it would be considered a deadly poison by the EPA that they'd have to do away with.
[01:58:46.600 --> 01:58:50.600]  All right, folks, we'll be back on the 20th where all the co-hosts on this show,
[01:58:50.600 --> 01:58:55.600]  at least all three of these co-hosts, always have plenty to talk about.
[01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:58.600]  So we will see you all next Thursday.
[01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:27.600]  Thank you.
[01:59:55.600 --> 01:59:57.600]  Thank you.