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[00:04.800 --> 00:09.280]  One thousand Mexicans took to the streets of Juarez Sunday to protest the city's record
[00:09.280 --> 00:11.120]  setting crime wave.
[00:11.120 --> 00:15.400]  Last year, 2660 people were murdered in the border city.
[00:15.400 --> 00:20.400]  Many Mexican officials believe cannabis should be legalized, but former Mexican Foreign Minister
[00:20.400 --> 00:26.240]  Jorge Castañeda says it would do little good without similar action in the U.S.
[00:26.240 --> 00:31.640]  French bank Societe Generale says the euro is facing inevitable break-up.
[00:31.640 --> 00:36.960]  Strategists say that any bailout of the stricken Greek economy would only provide sticking
[00:36.960 --> 00:41.100]  plasters to cover the eurozone's deep-seated flaws.
[00:41.100 --> 00:46.680]  Anthem Blue Cross announced Saturday it would delay until May a controversial price increases
[00:46.680 --> 00:51.960]  of up to 39 percent for individual health insurance policyholders in California.
[00:51.960 --> 01:03.080]  Meanwhile, California regulators will analyze the legality of the increases.
[01:03.080 --> 01:08.960]  Time Magazine says for people who cannot afford rent, a car is the last rung of dignity and
[01:08.960 --> 01:11.880]  sanity above the despair of the streets.
[01:11.880 --> 01:18.240]  Joel John Roberts, CEO of PATH, People Assisting the Homeless, the largest provider of services
[01:18.240 --> 01:24.600]  for the homeless in Los Angeles County, says, quote, cars are the new homeless shelters.
[01:24.600 --> 01:30.200]  People who fall into homelessness say it feels like a spiral, a layoff, a medical emergency
[01:30.200 --> 01:34.600]  or a domestic quarrel sets off a chain reaction of bad luck.
[01:34.600 --> 01:40.240]  Susan Price, Director of Homeless Services in Long Beach, says some of the floating economic
[01:40.240 --> 01:45.160]  refugees, especially those from the middle and working class, do not think of themselves
[01:45.160 --> 01:46.160]  as homeless.
[01:46.160 --> 01:48.680]  They think, I'm just living in my car.
[01:48.680 --> 01:53.920]  Mike, a lighting specialist in the entertainment industry who has been out of work for a year,
[01:53.920 --> 01:57.920]  said, did you know that 50 percent of the people who are homeless and living in their
[01:57.920 --> 02:01.160]  cars have jobs?
[02:01.160 --> 02:06.000]  A growing army of people in the United States is learning how to grow their own food, storing
[02:06.000 --> 02:11.160]  emergency rations in their homes and taking courses on treating sickness with medicinal
[02:11.160 --> 02:12.160]  herbs.
[02:12.160 --> 02:17.160]  The UK Guardian says this growing social movement has been dubbed prepping.
[02:17.160 --> 02:21.480]  Prepping networks, which have sprung up all over the country in the past few years, provide
[02:21.480 --> 02:27.200]  advice on how to prepare food reserves, how to grow crops in your garden, how to hunt
[02:27.200 --> 02:29.000]  and how to defend yourself.
[02:29.000 --> 02:32.800]  John Millandred runs a website called Pioneer Living.
[02:32.800 --> 02:37.600]  It provides a range of advice for those who just want to store extra food in case of a
[02:37.600 --> 02:43.640]  power cut to those who want to embrace the off-the-grid lifestyle of Western pioneers.
[02:43.640 --> 02:49.640]  Millandred said he is well placed to flourish should society collapse around him.
[02:49.640 --> 02:54.640]  His house has a hand dug well and he has built an oven that needs neither gas nor electricity.
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[03:35.680 --> 03:52.400]  We've got the one, that's the one, with a vision that is second to none.
[03:52.400 --> 04:00.680]  We've got the one, that's the one, who's gonna do what they say can't be done.
[04:00.680 --> 04:08.560]  Now I'm John Millandred from Medina, a true grassroots speaker candidate.
[04:08.560 --> 04:16.420]  Out between my guitar, the tech, the republic, the devil, the new sweetheart of the Lone
[04:16.420 --> 04:17.420]  Star Steep.
[04:17.420 --> 04:28.420]  We've got the one, to change the way it is, to sell it all, to the freedom camp, to the
[04:28.420 --> 04:31.420]  freedom can ring.
[04:31.420 --> 04:40.420]  And if we just stick together like the birds of a feather, we can bang about most anything.
[04:40.420 --> 04:48.420]  We've got the one, that's the one, with a vision that is second to none.
[04:48.420 --> 04:56.420]  We've got the one, that's the one, who's gonna do what they say can't be done.
[04:56.420 --> 05:04.420]  Now I'm John Millandred from Medina, a true grassroots speaker candidate.
[05:04.420 --> 05:12.420]  Out between my guitar, the tech, the republic, the devil, the new sweetheart of the Lone
[05:12.420 --> 05:13.420]  Star Steep.
[05:13.420 --> 05:20.420]  So much to do with such a short time to do it.
[05:20.420 --> 05:27.420]  Daisy Crockett's words really get brought down to easy, be sure you're right, and then
[05:27.420 --> 05:31.420]  just go ahead.
[05:31.420 --> 05:39.420]  We've got the one, that's the one, with a vision that is second to none.
[05:39.420 --> 05:47.420]  We've got the one, that's the one, who's gonna do what they say can't be done.
[05:47.420 --> 05:55.420]  Now I'm John Millandred from Medina, a true grassroots speaker candidate.
[05:55.420 --> 06:04.420]  Out between my guitar, the tech, the republic, the devil, the new sweetheart of the Lone
[06:04.420 --> 06:12.420]  Star Steep.
[06:12.420 --> 06:24.420]  We've got the one, we've got the one, we've got the one, the new sweetheart of the Lone
[06:24.420 --> 06:28.420]  Star Steep.
[06:28.420 --> 06:42.420]  That's the one, that's the one, that's the one, that's the one, that's the one, that's
[06:42.420 --> 06:44.420]  the one.
[06:44.420 --> 06:59.420]  Deborah Medina, the next governor of the great state of Texas, she's the one.
[06:59.420 --> 07:01.420]  All right, Deb's the one.
[07:01.420 --> 07:09.420]  Talking about Deborah Medina, some brand new music here from my very good friend Steve
[07:09.420 --> 07:10.420]  Doar.
[07:10.420 --> 07:17.420]  Steve and I were co-hosts on a show called Liberty Music Review back in the day, back
[07:17.420 --> 07:23.420]  on WTPRN, and he wrote this song.
[07:23.420 --> 07:24.420]  He's a Texan now.
[07:24.420 --> 07:29.420]  He moved here from California, and I had the pleasure of meeting Steve for the first time
[07:29.420 --> 07:31.420]  in person today.
[07:31.420 --> 07:36.420]  We co-hosted a show together for several months on WTPRN, and he moved to Texas a few months
[07:36.420 --> 07:41.420]  ago, and I had the great opportunity, very blessed opportunity to meet Steve for the
[07:41.420 --> 07:43.420]  first time today in person.
[07:43.420 --> 07:50.420]  He was on his way back to San Antonio from Tyler, passing through Austin, Texas.
[07:50.420 --> 07:55.420]  He stopped by the house, and we hung out and played some music for each other, some of
[07:55.420 --> 08:02.420]  our newest songs, and he's going to be our guest tonight for a little bit before we start
[08:02.420 --> 08:09.420]  getting into the Texas Transportation Code with Eddie, and so Steve, welcome to the show.
[08:09.420 --> 08:12.420]  Wow, I can't believe that I'm back.
[08:12.420 --> 08:15.420]  I took a long vacation.
[08:15.420 --> 08:17.420]  Just moving was so hectic.
[08:17.420 --> 08:21.420]  I don't recommend that for anybody, and everybody knows it's really tough, and the older you
[08:21.420 --> 08:23.420]  get, the tougher it is.
[08:23.420 --> 08:28.420]  But I'm here when I've got my registration and my license and insurance ready to rock.
[08:28.420 --> 08:36.420]  I finally made contact with you, but before that, Carl and Nancy Foster from the East
[08:36.420 --> 08:42.420]  Texas coordinators of Deborah Medina, who I'd never heard of since I'd gotten here,
[08:42.420 --> 08:46.420]  called me and said, you've got to write a song for Deborah, and then get on up here
[08:46.420 --> 08:50.420]  and perform it for our little get-together they've been planning, and I said, oh, no,
[08:50.420 --> 08:52.420]  I'm not ready to do that.
[08:52.420 --> 08:57.420]  She scolded me and said, you've got to get off your high horse, and then she wrote the
[08:57.420 --> 09:03.420]  line that said, twang in your guitar for Texas, the republic and Deborah, the sweet
[09:03.420 --> 09:09.420]  house of Longstreet State, and that was just too good a line, and so I went into the song,
[09:09.420 --> 09:13.420]  and it's back with a fury.
[09:13.420 --> 09:15.420]  I can't wait for the next song to come out.
[09:15.420 --> 09:21.420]  Well, for those who don't know, Steve Doar wrote an entire album of songs about Ron Paul
[09:21.420 --> 09:25.420]  and for Ron Paul and for the Liberty Movement.
[09:25.420 --> 09:30.420]  This was back in the day when Ron Paul was campaigning for president, and Steve, your
[09:30.420 --> 09:35.420]  website is ronpaulsongs.com, is that correct?
[09:35.420 --> 09:36.420]  It's still up, yeah.
[09:36.420 --> 09:38.420]  All the songs are still there.
[09:38.420 --> 09:41.420]  I'm really not quite sure what to do with that right now.
[09:41.420 --> 09:48.420]  I kind of want to get the deboramedinasongs.com going, and today being a holiday and my provider
[09:48.420 --> 09:53.420]  and all, you know, it's just tough to reach people in days that they get off legally,
[09:53.420 --> 10:00.420]  so I haven't got that done, but hopefully something's going on there, and I hope Nancy's
[10:00.420 --> 10:02.420]  having a listen, and hi, Nancy.
[10:02.420 --> 10:11.420]  Nancy and Carl, these coordinators for East Texas for Deborah are just amazing.
[10:11.420 --> 10:14.420]  So much energy, enthusiasm, and commitment.
[10:14.420 --> 10:20.420]  It's extraordinary to just see the truth come out of these people, and then when they bring
[10:20.420 --> 10:28.420]  the candidate in that, you know, we can actually have speak for us, it's just unstoppable.
[10:28.420 --> 10:30.420]  You cannot get away from it.
[10:30.420 --> 10:32.420]  First of all, you can't say no to Nancy.
[10:32.420 --> 10:39.420]  More so, you can't say no to Carl, so that puts me in a pretty good spot, and I love
[10:39.420 --> 10:42.420]  her for calling me and getting me involved in this.
[10:42.420 --> 10:43.420]  I don't know what you call it.
[10:43.420 --> 10:45.420]  What do you call this movement we're all in?
[10:45.420 --> 10:48.420]  Try to get back to basics again.
[10:48.420 --> 10:50.420]  It's just a better world for us.
[10:50.420 --> 10:52.420]  Well, I call it the Liberty Movement.
[10:52.420 --> 10:54.420]  The Liberty Movement.
[10:54.420 --> 10:58.420]  Okay, so tell us about the gig, Steve.
[10:58.420 --> 11:04.420]  You were invited by the East Texas Deborah Medina coordinator to come play this gig.
[11:04.420 --> 11:10.420]  Apparently there was a rally this weekend in Tyler for Deborah Medina, and she was there.
[11:10.420 --> 11:13.420]  They even had Deborah Medina wine, apparently.
[11:13.420 --> 11:22.420]  Kempersol Winery, which Bushman is a facility, a winery and celebration center that sets
[11:22.420 --> 11:27.420]  the stand at the state of the art, really, for shows and concerts.
[11:27.420 --> 11:33.420]  One of two in the world that they said that have a full recording studio behind this amazing
[11:33.420 --> 11:36.420]  stage to capture live performances.
[11:36.420 --> 11:40.420]  One of the most impressive venues I've played, I've played on some pretty big stages of my
[11:40.420 --> 11:45.420]  life, and cool places.
[11:45.420 --> 11:49.420]  When the big names find out about this, you can just move to Texas.
[11:49.420 --> 11:52.420]  It'll take care of all your big time entertainment forever.
[11:52.420 --> 11:54.420]  You won't have to leave town.
[11:54.420 --> 11:56.420]  It's a fantastic place, really.
[11:56.420 --> 11:57.420]  It went great.
[11:57.420 --> 12:00.420]  We didn't get as many people as we wanted.
[12:00.420 --> 12:04.420]  I would guess, I don't know what the final figure is, but I think it might have been
[12:04.420 --> 12:05.420]  250.
[12:05.420 --> 12:07.420]  It's so hard to tell.
[12:07.420 --> 12:11.420]  Each one of them being one in a million, that's 250 million people.
[12:11.420 --> 12:13.420]  That's the most I've ever played for.
[12:13.420 --> 12:16.420]  Now, this is like a fundraising event for Deborah.
[12:16.420 --> 12:17.420]  Is that correct?
[12:17.420 --> 12:18.420]  That's right.
[12:18.420 --> 12:19.420]  Yep.
[12:19.420 --> 12:23.420]  She came in and spoke at the end without any notes, which is her style.
[12:23.420 --> 12:25.420]  It just rolled right off.
[12:25.420 --> 12:27.420]  Truth to Power.
[12:27.420 --> 12:31.420]  It was wonderful.
[12:31.420 --> 12:32.420]  How was the energy there?
[12:32.420 --> 12:35.420]  Was everyone just really pumped or what?
[12:35.420 --> 12:42.420]  Everybody was kind of calm at first, and Carla and Nancy, they did a little skit,
[12:42.420 --> 12:44.420]  which was very effective.
[12:44.420 --> 12:45.420]  No one got up.
[12:45.420 --> 12:46.420]  No one left.
[12:46.420 --> 12:52.420]  They were just glued to what was going on and involved.
[12:52.420 --> 12:56.420]  I came out and did a karaoke to one of my own songs.
[12:56.420 --> 12:58.420]  I've never done that.
[12:58.420 --> 13:01.420]  I don't like karaoke.
[13:01.420 --> 13:02.420]  It worked.
[13:02.420 --> 13:05.420]  I talked a little bit beforehand.
[13:05.420 --> 13:09.420]  Right when the song went into Deb's the One, Deb's the One, they lit her up,
[13:09.420 --> 13:12.420]  and the crowd broke out and loved it.
[13:12.420 --> 13:13.420]  I think it was fantastic.
[13:13.420 --> 13:16.420]  It was an 800-seat facility, too.
[13:16.420 --> 13:19.420]  We could have taken so many more people.
[13:19.420 --> 13:20.420]  But it worked great.
[13:20.420 --> 13:21.420]  It worked great.
[13:21.420 --> 13:22.420]  I'm so glad I went.
[13:22.420 --> 13:24.420]  It was very fulfilling, very satisfying.
[13:24.420 --> 13:26.420]  I can't wait to see what's next.
[13:26.420 --> 13:28.420]  I really can't.
[13:28.420 --> 13:32.420]  I noticed all the Medina signs on the way home and cheered for each one.
[13:32.420 --> 13:34.420]  Steve, why don't you give us a little background,
[13:34.420 --> 13:37.420]  give our listeners a little background for those who hadn't listened to our show
[13:37.420 --> 13:39.420]  back in the days of WTPR.
[13:39.420 --> 13:45.420]  How did you get into this liberty movement and writing songs about investing in silver
[13:45.420 --> 13:50.420]  and gold and precious metals and all these kinds of things and economics?
[13:50.420 --> 13:55.420]  Tell us how you got started into all this and how it translated into your music.
[13:55.420 --> 14:01.420]  Basically, the Internet revolution, living in San Jose, California,
[14:01.420 --> 14:05.420]  and working a little bit as a graphic artist in those days,
[14:05.420 --> 14:09.420]  and people around me in the office that had become millionaires.
[14:09.420 --> 14:15.420]  Dang, in months from a small investment, one that I know of,
[14:15.420 --> 14:22.420]  I think he took $75,000 or something and went into some Juniper router company
[14:22.420 --> 14:27.420]  within the stock triple split and double split, and they're millionaires.
[14:27.420 --> 14:32.420]  But we know what happened, and then all of a sudden there was nothing.
[14:32.420 --> 14:35.420]  At that point, I realized I've got to learn what money means.
[14:35.420 --> 14:38.420]  What's the story with money? How can this happen?
[14:38.420 --> 14:42.420]  That led to me learning about inflation, which we all know and love,
[14:42.420 --> 14:44.420]  and it's very difficult to understand.
[14:44.420 --> 14:46.420]  It's taken me so long to do it.
[14:46.420 --> 14:47.420]  I started writing about that.
[14:47.420 --> 14:50.420]  When you write about inflation and real money and sound money,
[14:50.420 --> 14:55.420]  it comes up pretty quick, Ron Paul, who we all know and love.
[14:55.420 --> 15:00.420]  Then Ron Paul became my hero, as he was and still is,
[15:00.420 --> 15:04.420]  for most everybody I know.
[15:04.420 --> 15:08.420]  Ron Paul's CD came out of that, and I don't know what happened
[15:08.420 --> 15:13.420]  when I had to come to terms with the fact that he was not going to be the president
[15:13.420 --> 15:17.420]  and everything wasn't going to come the way I hoped and dreamed.
[15:17.420 --> 15:21.420]  I just took a big vacation thinking, no more political solutions around here.
[15:21.420 --> 15:25.420]  I'm going to plan to get my garden and my bunker and my gold and silver
[15:25.420 --> 15:28.420]  and just go live out the rest of my life.
[15:28.420 --> 15:29.420]  But it didn't happen.
[15:29.420 --> 15:31.420]  Moved to Texas.
[15:31.420 --> 15:33.420]  I know it's going to call you, and you're not.
[15:33.420 --> 15:36.420]  You stay involved.
[15:36.420 --> 15:38.420]  People have never seen Deborah.
[15:38.420 --> 15:42.420]  She's not a great, big, huge, scary woman with all that energy.
[15:42.420 --> 15:46.420]  There's hardly anything to her at all.
[15:46.420 --> 15:51.420]  You could squeeze the air right out of her.
[15:51.420 --> 15:55.420]  Take a big place on the radio.
[15:55.420 --> 15:56.420]  You got conscripted.
[15:56.420 --> 15:59.420]  You get to Texas, and people won't leave you alone.
[15:59.420 --> 16:01.420]  You're like, no, no, no.
[16:01.420 --> 16:03.420]  You can't bow out of the Liberty Movement.
[16:03.420 --> 16:04.420]  We're not going to let you, Steve.
[16:04.420 --> 16:06.420]  You've got to write songs for Deborah Medina.
[16:06.420 --> 16:08.420]  You've got to get back on the radio.
[16:08.420 --> 16:10.420]  Exactly.
[16:10.420 --> 16:13.420]  I love you for this because I miss it.
[16:13.420 --> 16:14.420]  It meant so much to me.
[16:14.420 --> 16:16.420]  I thought my life had really come into focus.
[16:16.420 --> 16:19.420]  The whole purpose of writing all these years and playing
[16:19.420 --> 16:23.420]  and staying in shape was so that I could pass the message along
[16:23.420 --> 16:27.420]  from somebody that's played music all their life.
[16:27.420 --> 16:29.420]  Yeah, I'm glad to be back.
[16:29.420 --> 16:32.420]  The words are rhyming economical and political terms
[16:32.420 --> 16:35.420]  in the middle of the night and on my ride home and stuff.
[16:35.420 --> 16:37.420]  So I know I'm headed in the right direction.
[16:37.420 --> 16:38.420]  You are.
[16:38.420 --> 16:40.420]  And now that you're in Texas, we certainly aren't going to leave you alone.
[16:40.420 --> 16:43.420]  Steve West, would you stay with us for just a couple more minutes?
[16:43.420 --> 16:46.420]  Yeah, so we can plug some of your websites in.
[16:46.420 --> 16:51.420]  Thanks to your other host, too, for letting me get in on the moment.
[16:51.420 --> 16:53.420]  Stay on the line, Steve.
[16:53.420 --> 16:56.420]  We'll talk to you for a few minutes when we get back on the other side.
[16:56.420 --> 17:00.420]  This is the rule of law.
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[18:12.420 --> 18:27.420]  Thank you for watching.
[18:42.420 --> 19:02.420]  Alright, tyranny, thema tear you, thema tear me, thema tear up the whole country.
[19:02.420 --> 19:06.420]  Well, not if we have anything to do about it.
[19:06.420 --> 19:07.420]  I love that song.
[19:07.420 --> 19:09.420]  That is some Three Shoes Posse for you.
[19:09.420 --> 19:13.420]  I don't think Steve has heard that one yet, and I love Pat's lyrics, you know,
[19:13.420 --> 19:18.420]  about the, it really points out the flaws of collectivism where, you know,
[19:18.420 --> 19:22.420]  we've got these people who are leftists or friends of ours,
[19:22.420 --> 19:29.420]  and they criticize us for writing songs about liberty and politics
[19:29.420 --> 19:33.420]  and trying to make a difference, but they're not doing anything about it.
[19:33.420 --> 19:37.420]  They're not doing anything to stop it, and the reason is because them like,
[19:37.420 --> 19:41.420]  them love slavery because they get a handout from the government, you see.
[19:41.420 --> 19:42.420]  Okay?
[19:42.420 --> 19:44.420]  And enough of the government handouts.
[19:44.420 --> 19:48.420]  So we're here with our very good friend Steve Doar, one of my best friends.
[19:48.420 --> 19:51.420]  Just got to meet him in person today for the first time.
[19:51.420 --> 19:54.420]  We did the show together for months, Liberty Music Review.
[19:54.420 --> 19:57.420]  Steve, we may have to fire up our show again pretty soon.
[19:57.420 --> 20:00.420]  Well, that's not necessarily as possible, isn't it?
[20:00.420 --> 20:06.420]  Well, Steve, so tell us about your website.
[20:06.420 --> 20:08.420]  Where can people get your music?
[20:08.420 --> 20:12.420]  The website is just kind of hanging around and neglected.
[20:12.420 --> 20:16.420]  But SteveDoarSongs.com is kind of where I'm aiming at now,
[20:16.420 --> 20:20.420]  but I don't know, Deborah Medina's songs is going to be up too.
[20:20.420 --> 20:23.420]  And then Ron Paul's songs, things like Inflation Nation,
[20:23.420 --> 20:24.420]  I've got all these things.
[20:24.420 --> 20:28.420]  But Steve Doar's songs is where I wanted to come home because, you know,
[20:28.420 --> 20:32.420]  that's me and that's all my stuff you can get to the other websites from there.
[20:32.420 --> 20:36.420]  How can people get your Deborah Medina song?
[20:36.420 --> 20:43.420]  That's not available yet, but I hope at DeborahMedinaSongs.com.
[20:43.420 --> 20:47.420]  Plus the East Texas.
[20:47.420 --> 20:49.420]  Oh, I've got the cards in my wallet.
[20:49.420 --> 20:53.420]  The guys that did the video there, they've got a website.
[20:53.420 --> 20:58.420]  I wish, I'm embarrassed that I can't remember the name of their website.
[20:58.420 --> 21:00.420]  But I'm going to get the song to them.
[21:00.420 --> 21:03.420]  And one of the guys that does the video, the videographer,
[21:03.420 --> 21:05.420]  is going to put a video with it.
[21:05.420 --> 21:10.420]  So, I mean, they've got just clips and tapes and it should be fantastic.
[21:10.420 --> 21:13.420]  I kind of would like to wait to get that done
[21:13.420 --> 21:18.420]  and then the people can grab the song from YouTube.
[21:18.420 --> 21:20.420]  Wonderful, wonderful.
[21:20.420 --> 21:24.420]  So people can still get your music at RonPaulSongs.com.
[21:24.420 --> 21:27.420]  I'll probably put it on Steve Doar's songs right at the top.
[21:27.420 --> 21:28.420]  And Steve Doar's songs.
[21:28.420 --> 21:33.420]  Okay, so SteveDoarSongs.com is where people can get the rest of your music as well.
[21:33.420 --> 21:36.420]  Or like D-O-R-E, not D-O-O-R.
[21:36.420 --> 21:40.420]  I probably should have, you know, registered that domain too.
[21:40.420 --> 21:43.420]  Just D-O-R-E, like Steve Doar, like in the dictionary.
[21:43.420 --> 21:45.420]  Steve Doar, D-O-R-E.
[21:45.420 --> 21:49.420]  All right, well, Steve, it certainly was great to meet you today in person
[21:49.420 --> 21:54.420]  for the first time and looking forward to spending more time with you
[21:54.420 --> 21:56.420]  now that you're in Texas.
[21:56.420 --> 21:58.420]  Back at you, yep, yep, yep.
[21:58.420 --> 21:59.420]  We're neighbors, we're neighbors.
[21:59.420 --> 22:02.420]  I look forward so much to hearing Randy for the first time.
[22:02.420 --> 22:03.420]  I'm going to turn up.
[22:03.420 --> 22:04.420]  What are my headphones?
[22:04.420 --> 22:06.420]  And what's your name of your other host?
[22:06.420 --> 22:07.420]  Eddie Craig.
[22:07.420 --> 22:08.420]  And we're going to talk.
[22:08.420 --> 22:10.420]  Eddie's going to talk about some traffic issues tonight as well.
[22:10.420 --> 22:11.420]  Tonight, yes.
[22:11.420 --> 22:12.420]  Tonight is Eddie's night.
[22:12.420 --> 22:13.420]  That's right.
[22:13.420 --> 22:14.420]  Monday night is Eddie's night.
[22:14.420 --> 22:15.420]  But Randy's here too.
[22:15.420 --> 22:16.420]  That's good.
[22:16.420 --> 22:18.420]  So I'm going to throw on the phones and just have a great listen.
[22:18.420 --> 22:20.420]  Okay, thank you, Steve.
[22:20.420 --> 22:21.420]  We appreciate it.
[22:21.420 --> 22:23.420]  Thanks for coming on for a little while with us tonight.
[22:23.420 --> 22:24.420]  Oh, you're very welcome.
[22:24.420 --> 22:25.420]  Talk to you guys soon.
[22:25.420 --> 22:26.420]  Okay, we'll talk to you soon, Steve.
[22:26.420 --> 22:27.420]  Bye-bye.
[22:27.420 --> 22:30.420]  All right, that was Steve Doar, good friend.
[22:30.420 --> 22:32.420]  He was my former co-host.
[22:32.420 --> 22:38.420]  We had a show together on WTPR and Liberty Music Review where we would bring on bands,
[22:38.420 --> 22:46.420]  musical artists, sometimes poets, sometimes even painters who would paint paintings, et cetera,
[22:46.420 --> 22:53.420]  write songs, write poetry where the lyrics were liberty-minded, freedom-minded,
[22:53.420 --> 22:59.420]  freedom-oriented, a lot of it was for people promoting Ron Paul back in the day.
[22:59.420 --> 23:01.420]  So good friend Steve Doar.
[23:01.420 --> 23:03.420]  Glad to have him on the show for a little while.
[23:03.420 --> 23:07.420]  Okay, so now back to business concerning law.
[23:07.420 --> 23:10.420]  Monday nights are Eddie's night.
[23:10.420 --> 23:14.420]  So Eddie, you've got some stuff for us tonight concerning,
[23:14.420 --> 23:22.420]  you've got even more proof in the law concerning why the city attorney cannot be a prosecutor for the state.
[23:22.420 --> 23:26.420]  So Eddie, tell us what you got.
[23:26.420 --> 23:27.420]  And we do have callers on the line,
[23:27.420 --> 23:30.420]  but let's let Eddie present his material first and then we'll go to the calls.
[23:30.420 --> 23:31.420]  All right.
[23:31.420 --> 23:32.420]  Well, I'll get through as quick as I can here.
[23:32.420 --> 23:35.420]  All right, for those of you that have access to it over the Internet,
[23:35.420 --> 23:44.420]  let's pull up the Code of Criminal Procedure and let's real quick do a review of 2.05 where it talks about when the complaint is made.
[23:44.420 --> 23:54.420]  If the offense be a misdemeanor, the attorney shall forthwith prepare an information based upon such complaint and file the same in the court having jurisdiction.
[23:54.420 --> 24:02.420]  Provided that, in counties having no county attorney, misdemeanor cases may be tried upon complaint alone.
[24:02.420 --> 24:12.420]  Without an information provided, however, in counties having one or more criminal district courts, an information must be filed in each misdemeanor case.
[24:12.420 --> 24:17.420]  If the offense be a felony, he shall forthwith file the complaint with the magistrate of the county.
[24:17.420 --> 24:29.420]  Now, 2.05 makes it very clear that unless there is no criminal district attorney, all right, that an information must be filed in a misdemeanor case.
[24:29.420 --> 24:34.420]  This, however, shortcuts what the state constitution says.
[24:34.420 --> 24:43.420]  All right, Article 5, Section 12 specifically states that it is an information or an indictment that grants jurisdiction to the court.
[24:43.420 --> 24:53.420]  It is not the complaint, nor is there any exception in the Constitution for lack of a district criminal attorney or any other type of attorney.
[24:53.420 --> 24:59.420]  It simply says that these are the two things that vest jurisdiction in the court.
[24:59.420 --> 25:11.420]  Now, with that said, let's flip back over to Article 21.20, Code of Criminal Procedure, dealing with the information.
[25:11.420 --> 25:29.420]  21.20 says, an information is a written statement filed and presented in behalf of the state by the district or county attorney charging the defendant with an offense which may by law be so prosecuted.
[25:29.420 --> 25:37.420]  Did anyone hear me read city attorney? No? All right, well, let's see if he's in the next part.
[25:37.420 --> 25:45.420]  21.21, Requisites of an Information. An information is sufficient if it has the following requisites.
[25:45.420 --> 25:50.420]  One, it shall commence in the name and by the authority of the state of Texas.
[25:50.420 --> 25:56.420]  Two, that it appear to have been presented in a court having jurisdiction of the offense set forth.
[25:56.420 --> 26:04.420]  Three, that it appear to have been presented by the proper officer. Who? Who is the proper officer?
[26:04.420 --> 26:07.420]  So far we've only been told of two.
[26:07.420 --> 26:15.420]  Number four, that it contain the name of the accused or state that his name is unknown and give a reasonably accurate description of him.
[26:15.420 --> 26:24.420]  Five, it must appear that the place where the offense is charged to have been committed is within the jurisdiction of the court where the information is filed.
[26:24.420 --> 26:36.420]  Six, that the time mentioned be some date anterior, meaning before, to the filing of the information and that the offense does not appear to be barred by limitation.
[26:36.420 --> 26:48.420]  Now, I don't know about you, but I have yet to see a single information file that stipulates whether or not the statute of limitations has run out or where it's still in effect for that matter.
[26:48.420 --> 26:57.420]  So that would apparently be a defect in an information if it does not specify that the statute of limitations is still relevant.
[26:57.420 --> 27:03.420]  Number seven, that the offense be set forth in plain and intelligible words.
[27:03.420 --> 27:15.420]  In other words, these definitions they use to write on the face of a ticket that don't really tell you anything at all about the charge or anything to help you decipher what they wrote is unacceptable.
[27:15.420 --> 27:19.420]  It wants it written in plain, intelligible English.
[27:19.420 --> 27:24.420]  Number eight, that it conclude against the peace and dignity of the state.
[27:24.420 --> 27:33.420]  And number nine, it must be signed by the district or county attorney officially.
[27:33.420 --> 27:41.420]  Again, did anybody at any time hear me read city attorney?
[27:41.420 --> 27:42.420]  All right.
[27:42.420 --> 27:44.420]  What else can support this then?
[27:44.420 --> 27:45.420]  Well, I don't know.
[27:45.420 --> 27:46.420]  Let's see.
[27:46.420 --> 27:56.420]  Let's go back to Article 27.14, which is the section titled plea of guilty or nollo contendere in misdemeanor.
[27:56.420 --> 28:00.420]  And let's look down at subsection D.
[28:00.420 --> 28:07.420]  Now, this section is not dealing with the jurisdiction of the city attorney specifically.
[28:07.420 --> 28:23.420]  This is where the municipal court from the only place I can find where they could possibly come up with the idea anyway, where the district or the municipal court says that it can proceed on a complaint alone, that they don't have to have an information.
[28:23.420 --> 28:31.420]  When we have just read in fact the law says exactly the opposite, that the information is absolutely required.
[28:31.420 --> 28:39.420]  But here, this is the only place where they can be coming up with this that I can locate, subsection D of 27.14.
[28:39.420 --> 29:08.420]  If written notice of an offense for which maximum possible punishment is by fine only or of a violation relating to the manner, time, and place of parking has been prepared, delivered, and filed with the court, and a legible duplicate copy has been given to the defendant, the written notice serves as a complaint to which the defendant may plead guilty, not guilty, or nollo contendere.
[29:08.420 --> 29:10.420]  Now, dig that.
[29:10.420 --> 29:21.420]  Only if you are going to plead guilty, not guilty, or nollo contendere can the written notice serve as a complaint.
[29:21.420 --> 29:27.420]  However, if the – we'll pick up the rest of this on the other side.
[29:27.420 --> 29:28.420]  Okay.
[29:28.420 --> 29:29.420]  Hold that thought, Eddie.
[29:29.420 --> 29:31.420]  We're on the edge of our seat here.
[29:31.420 --> 29:33.420]  And callers, we see you on the board.
[29:33.420 --> 29:39.420]  We've got Ken, Shirley, Steve, and Todd will be taking your calls.
[29:39.420 --> 29:40.420]  We'll be right back.
[29:40.420 --> 29:44.420]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens.
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[30:51.420 --> 31:07.420]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the government them, prosecute them. Okay.
[31:07.420 --> 31:26.420]  Well, I need a prosecutor to come and help me prosecute them wicked leader, yeah, you see.
[31:26.420 --> 31:40.420]  Okay, continue on, Eddie.
[31:40.420 --> 32:01.420]  All right, now, second sentence and the last part of this section, subsection D of 27.14. If the defendant pleads not guilty to the offense, a complaint shall be filed that conforms to the requirements of Chapter 45 of this code.
[32:01.420 --> 32:24.420]  And that complaint serves as an original complaint. A defendant may waive the filing of a sworn complaint and elect that the prosecution proceed on the written notice of the charged offense if the defendant agrees in writing with the prosecution, signs the agreement, and files it with the court.
[32:24.420 --> 32:36.420]  So the next time this judge in a municipal court tells you all and all we can proceed on complaint alone, pull out 27.14D and smack them right across the chops with it.
[32:36.420 --> 32:48.420]  Well, Judge, you cannot proceed on complaint alone unless I've agreed to it in writing with the prosecution, and I don't agree.
[32:48.420 --> 33:05.420]  I don't agree that you get to proceed on a written notice of a citation that serves as a complaint that contains no valid information whatsoever that notices me of what I'm being charged with and where, nor is it sworn to under oath as required on the actual complaint.
[33:05.420 --> 33:12.420]  Don't ever accept the traffic citation as a valid complaint.
[33:12.420 --> 33:24.420]  Don't ever do that. If you're going to do that, just go slam your head in the door now and get it over with, because nothing we've told you so far will be doing you any good.
[33:24.420 --> 33:45.420]  All right? So, since the city attorney cannot issue an information, the city attorney cannot sign an information, the city attorney cannot act as an attorney for the state, I don't care what jurisdiction the municipal court has to hear a case.
[33:45.420 --> 34:04.420]  The municipal prosecutor can't prosecute it, period. The court may have jurisdiction for the case to be held there, but the legislature has shot the city attorney in the head when it comes to being able to prosecute the case.
[34:04.420 --> 34:15.420]  Because they say in municipal court, the city attorney is the only prosecutor in a municipal court. It's written right there in Chapter 45.
[34:15.420 --> 34:27.420]  But the Code of Criminal Procedure says that the city attorney is not an attorney for the state, and if it's a state charge, only a state's attorney can prosecute it.
[34:27.420 --> 34:42.420]  That's just plain, upright common sense. So, it does not matter that the court's granted jurisdiction of certain transportation code offenses and so on and so forth under Chapter 45,
[34:42.420 --> 35:01.420]  because they can't prosecute in the name of the state through the city prosecutor in that court. They just can't do it, because none of the requirements of law and due process can be accomplished at the hand of the city attorney.
[35:01.420 --> 35:07.420]  It just cannot be. Randy, what's your arguments for or against?
[35:07.420 --> 35:21.420]  I was just thinking about all of the fun I was going to have with that. I have so many arguments to pound the city attorney with, including the fact that he's not licensed to practice law.
[35:21.420 --> 35:23.420]  This is going to make it very difficult for them.
[35:23.420 --> 35:40.420]  Oh, yeah. Well, let's not forget the fact now that 2.07 specifically requires any attorney acting in the name of the state to have an oath of office. And since the Constitution does not set partial acceptance of a public office,
[35:40.420 --> 35:48.420]  if he has to take the oath of office, he has to take the anti-bribery oath. If he has to take both those oaths, he has to post a bond.
[35:48.420 --> 35:55.420]  There's no exception in the Constitution for somebody accepting a public office without those. They just didn't.
[35:55.420 --> 36:02.420]  So if the city attorney is acting without any of these things, then there's only two conclusions that can be drawn.
[36:02.420 --> 36:12.420]  One, he's in violation of the Constitution, or two, the city attorney is not considered a public official and has no authority to act as one.
[36:12.420 --> 36:17.420]  So then we also get impersonating a public official.
[36:17.420 --> 36:28.420]  Exactly. Now, consider this. If he has no authority to act as a public official because he hasn't met the constitutional requirements to fill such an office,
[36:28.420 --> 36:38.420]  then my legal argument, considering the fact the municipal court and the city attorney can only prosecute their own employees, is now the only option they got left.
[36:38.420 --> 36:48.420]  Because they're the only ones he can do anything to and not actually be in a public office. As one chief corporate executive,
[36:48.420 --> 36:54.420]  he can do whatever to the corporate employees that are not obeying the corporate rules.
[36:54.420 --> 37:02.420]  Yes, but he can only prosecute them civilly. He has no criminal authority at all.
[37:02.420 --> 37:13.420]  That's exactly correct. So while the municipal court may have jurisdiction to have a criminal trial in the court, the city attorney can't be the one prosecuting.
[37:13.420 --> 37:24.420]  Yeah, wait a minute. A corporation can't be a prosecutorial arm. They can't have their own...
[37:24.420 --> 37:32.420]  I completely agree with you, yet they specifically gave that authority to municipal courts in 45.
[37:32.420 --> 37:43.420]  Municipal courts shall have concurrent authority with the justice courts in all criminal cases revolving state law, which are punishable by fine only.
[37:43.420 --> 37:55.420]  They granted them that in 45. But as what you and I talked about earlier today, unless they are using that one section out of Article 5, Section 1 and Section 2,
[37:55.420 --> 38:07.420]  stipulating that the legislature has the power to create other courts, and that's what they did with the municipal court, they're in a real big catch 22 here.
[38:07.420 --> 38:15.420]  They granted authority to the municipal court that the law itself prevents the court from exercising.
[38:15.420 --> 38:24.420]  You can't separate the procedures in Chapter 45 from the rest of the Code of Criminal Procedure and say it stands alone. Why?
[38:24.420 --> 38:34.420]  One, everything in Chapter 45 deals with what happens at the point of trial and the court getting jurisdiction.
[38:34.420 --> 38:45.420]  There's nothing in Chapter 45 that deals with arrest without warrant, arrest with a warrant, arraignment, examining trial, nothing like that in Chapter 45.
[38:45.420 --> 38:59.420]  Chapter 45 starts at the point of trial, which is where the court's jurisdiction will kick in if an information has been filed supported by a valid complaint.
[38:59.420 --> 39:15.420]  So you can't get there without going through the rest of the Code of Criminal Procedure, which they never, ever follow. Never.
[39:15.420 --> 39:16.420]  All right.
[39:16.420 --> 39:20.420]  If the courts don't follow law, there's nothing surprising about that.
[39:20.420 --> 39:32.420]  Yeah, exactly. But not only do they not follow law, the law itself in this case is a legal black hole when it comes to the municipal court.
[39:32.420 --> 39:46.420]  Why? Because the municipal court, I do believe, is a historical addendum to facilitate their cattle yard mentality of processing people for the purpose of revenue.
[39:46.420 --> 39:52.420]  That's all they've done. They've converted the municipal and JP courts into a stockyard.
[39:52.420 --> 40:01.420]  They run you through like a line of cattle, putting you on the auction block, collecting whatever they can for you or from you, and shipping you out to shoot on the other side.
[40:01.420 --> 40:03.420]  That's a good analogy.
[40:03.420 --> 40:07.420]  I was going to say that. I love the imagery there, Eddie.
[40:07.420 --> 40:11.420]  Yeah, but think about it. That's exactly the process.
[40:11.420 --> 40:22.420]  It is, and it's totally illegal what they're doing because the Transportation Code does not apply to 99.9% of these people that they're running through the cattle shoot, so to speak.
[40:22.420 --> 40:23.420]  That's right.
[40:23.420 --> 40:26.420]  Because none of these people are actually engaged in commerce on the roadways.
[40:26.420 --> 40:37.420]  Right. They have nothing to do with the corporate entity over which a municipal court would obviously be the only legitimate jurisdiction it could have.
[40:37.420 --> 40:42.420]  A corporation court can't preside over the people.
[40:42.420 --> 40:46.420]  A business cannot manipulate the people themselves directly.
[40:46.420 --> 40:56.420]  The business policy, a corporate policy, they can make all the rules they want, but it only affects those that work for the corporation.
[40:56.420 --> 41:12.420]  So where did these moronic legislators come up with the idea that a municipal corporation court had jurisdiction to hear any case involving the people?
[41:12.420 --> 41:14.420]  They didn't get it from me.
[41:14.420 --> 41:16.420]  No, I didn't give it to them.
[41:16.420 --> 41:33.420]  And I got to tell you, when you look at the fact that Chapter 45 in no way meshes cleanly and efficiently with the rest of the criminal procedure that is absolutely mandatory in the processing of a criminal case,
[41:33.420 --> 41:40.420]  you can tell it was shoehorned in as a separate thing at a later date and that it had an ulterior motive and purpose.
[41:40.420 --> 41:43.420]  And like I said, the cattle yard, that's it.
[41:43.420 --> 41:47.420]  That's all it was for.
[41:47.420 --> 41:49.420]  And it wasn't well-fitted?
[41:49.420 --> 41:51.420]  No, not at all.
[41:51.420 --> 42:02.420]  It looks like somebody tried to patch a nice brick home by shoving a mobile home up to the side of it and duct taping it down.
[42:02.420 --> 42:06.420]  Eddie, you're cracking me up.
[42:06.420 --> 42:07.420]  All right.
[42:07.420 --> 42:09.420]  Let's see what the fathers have to say.
[42:09.420 --> 42:11.420]  Yeah, I want to see what the commentary is going to be on this.
[42:11.420 --> 42:14.420]  All you attorneys out there listening, unplug your ears.
[42:14.420 --> 42:17.420]  Take your fingers out and quit saying dee-dee-dee-dee-boo-boo.
[42:17.420 --> 42:19.420]  Listen up and learn something.
[42:19.420 --> 42:21.420]  Yeah, really, it's about time.
[42:21.420 --> 42:34.420]  And I'll tell you, it really made me mad because when I was up at the municipal court a few weeks ago to pull someone's file that was helping regarding a traffic ticket here in Austin,
[42:34.420 --> 42:41.420]  I mean, you should see there's like hundreds of people in the lobby, and they all have their little numbers.
[42:41.420 --> 42:44.420]  They're waiting to go up to the window and pay their fine or whatever.
[42:44.420 --> 42:46.420]  Are you telling them to listen to us?
[42:46.420 --> 42:50.420]  I mean, listen, it's like it was just breaking my heart because it's so obvious.
[42:50.420 --> 42:53.420]  The whole thing is just a big revenue scam.
[42:53.420 --> 43:00.420]  It's all it is for generating revenue, and all these people are getting totally ripped off, and it was really making me mad.
[43:00.420 --> 43:12.420]  Everybody out there listening, especially those of you in Austin and the surrounding towns, get a bunch of flyers made, okay?
[43:12.420 --> 43:17.420]  When you go down to the courthouse to pull records, give a flyer to everybody down there.
[43:17.420 --> 43:18.420]  That's a good idea.
[43:18.420 --> 43:19.420]  Hey, listen to this radio station.
[43:19.420 --> 43:22.420]  They will tell you how to nip this in the bud.
[43:22.420 --> 43:24.420]  That's a good idea, Eddie.
[43:24.420 --> 43:26.420]  I think I'll do that next time.
[43:26.420 --> 43:28.420]  Okay, we're going to break.
[43:28.420 --> 43:30.420]  When we get back on the other side, we'll be taking your calls.
[43:30.420 --> 43:32.420]  We're going to go to Ken in Texas first.
[43:32.420 --> 43:34.420]  He's been waiting since the beginning of the show.
[43:34.420 --> 43:36.420]  Then we've got Shirley, Steve, and Todd.
[43:36.420 --> 43:37.420]  We will be right back.
[43:37.420 --> 43:39.420]  This is the rule of law.
[43:39.420 --> 43:42.420]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens.
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[44:52.420 --> 45:10.420]  If you did not have any problems, where are you going to look for one?
[45:10.420 --> 45:16.420]  If you could not wage any battles in love, would your purpose test be done?
[45:16.420 --> 45:22.420]  Would you stand up as a soldier, a warrior of love, scaffolding to keep the peace?
[45:22.420 --> 45:25.420]  All you're thinking is a misunderstanding.
[45:25.420 --> 45:27.420]  Somebody calls the police.
[45:27.420 --> 45:51.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[45:51.420 --> 45:57.420]  The friction is an addiction. The hard work can leave you cold as next.
[45:57.420 --> 46:03.420]  There's impossibility to tranquility. Heavy loads of tape and unscathed.
[46:03.420 --> 46:09.420]  The time is colliding with the conflict. You find out after a while.
[46:09.420 --> 46:14.420]  It's not your moral standard. It's your patience that's on trial.
[46:14.420 --> 46:39.420]  I'm watching the sparks fly.
[46:39.420 --> 46:45.420]  All right, watching the sparks fly here on the rule of law.
[46:45.420 --> 46:48.420]  Yeah, we got some sparks for Judge Sparks.
[46:48.420 --> 46:53.420]  Going to be coming pretty soon with some motions to disqualify him
[46:53.420 --> 46:59.420]  and some petitions for writ of mandamus to order that Western District Circuit Court,
[46:59.420 --> 47:04.420]  Federal Court of Texas to remand our case back to the state.
[47:04.420 --> 47:06.420]  So that's coming. That's coming down the pike.
[47:06.420 --> 47:08.420]  We're going to be working on those documents this week.
[47:08.420 --> 47:13.420]  At any rate, we're going to your calls now. We got Ken from Texas.
[47:13.420 --> 47:16.420]  Ken, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[47:16.420 --> 47:18.420]  What is your question for us?
[47:18.420 --> 47:22.420]  Hi, Deborah. Well, I had a question I'll call in later.
[47:22.420 --> 47:23.420]  Wait a minute, Ken.
[47:23.420 --> 47:25.420]  We're having a really hard time understanding you.
[47:25.420 --> 47:28.420]  Are you on a speakerphone?
[47:28.420 --> 47:31.420]  I'm on a microphone here. Does that sound a little better now?
[47:31.420 --> 47:33.420]  Yeah, that sounds a little better. Thanks.
[47:33.420 --> 47:42.420]  Okay. Sorry. Well, kind of following along there, Eddie's real concise argument
[47:42.420 --> 47:53.420]  about the city attorney being unqualified legally to prosecute in the municipal court,
[47:53.420 --> 48:00.420]  I was just looking at Article 2.07 of the Code of Criminal Procedure,
[48:00.420 --> 48:04.420]  which I think Eddie mentioned, and it's about half a page.
[48:04.420 --> 48:08.420]  I won't go into all the details, but it says an attorney pro tem can be appointed
[48:08.420 --> 48:13.420]  where if a county attorney can't be there, a judge can appoint someone else.
[48:13.420 --> 48:17.420]  But look at who it says can serve as an attorney for the state in the capacity
[48:17.420 --> 48:20.420]  as an attorney pro tem.
[48:20.420 --> 48:23.420]  It lists only the county attorney, district attorney,
[48:23.420 --> 48:28.420]  and in special instances the assistant attorney general.
[48:28.420 --> 48:31.420]  So even if the district attorney is unavailable,
[48:31.420 --> 48:35.420]  it falls upon the county attorney and vice versa.
[48:35.420 --> 48:42.420]  But they're the only ones listed as being able to qualify as an attorney for the state.
[48:42.420 --> 48:46.420]  So yes, the judge can appoint an attorney pro tem,
[48:46.420 --> 48:50.420]  but these are the only ones he can choose them from.
[48:50.420 --> 48:53.420]  Okay. I'm going to point something else out,
[48:53.420 --> 48:55.420]  and I'm sorry I can't give you the code section,
[48:55.420 --> 48:58.420]  but it was one of my late night readings.
[48:58.420 --> 49:02.420]  But I saw somewhere else in the Code of Criminal Procedure
[49:02.420 --> 49:08.420]  that it did specifically say really the court could just appoint any attorney they wanted.
[49:08.420 --> 49:13.420]  I know that's not really fair to ask you if that exists, but maybe you've run into that.
[49:13.420 --> 49:17.420]  No, I have not found that because this is the only section that I know of
[49:17.420 --> 49:22.420]  that deals with the appointment of an attorney pro tem as an attorney for the state.
[49:22.420 --> 49:27.420]  And nowhere in the city, in the municipal courts,
[49:27.420 --> 49:34.420]  has the courts appointed an attorney to stand in the place of the county attorney.
[49:34.420 --> 49:39.420]  They come before the court in their own capacity, which they do not have.
[49:39.420 --> 49:43.420]  Okay. Well, let's make it real simple here.
[49:43.420 --> 49:46.420]  Are you saying that the municipal judge, excuse me,
[49:46.420 --> 49:53.420]  the municipal court attorney, who is the city attorney in almost all cases,
[49:53.420 --> 50:00.420]  that he can only prosecute infractions or tickets that are written
[50:00.420 --> 50:05.420]  that claim a violation of the city code?
[50:05.420 --> 50:08.420]  No. No. Actually, I'm not.
[50:08.420 --> 50:15.420]  I'm saying he can only prosecute those that are city employees and commit those violations.
[50:15.420 --> 50:21.420]  He can prosecute city code violations, but only against city employees.
[50:21.420 --> 50:23.420]  Only against city employees.
[50:23.420 --> 50:26.420]  Well, this is just getting more interesting.
[50:26.420 --> 50:30.420]  Yeah, it's kind of like the principle regarding executive orders.
[50:30.420 --> 50:33.420]  You know, everybody gets all bent out of shape about executive orders,
[50:33.420 --> 50:37.420]  but I really don't get bent out of shape about presidential executive orders
[50:37.420 --> 50:43.420]  because they only apply to employees of the executive branch of the federal government.
[50:43.420 --> 50:46.420]  You know, if they try to enforce those executive orders on we the people,
[50:46.420 --> 50:50.420]  well, now we've got a problem, but just the fact that he's handing down these executive orders,
[50:50.420 --> 50:55.420]  it just doesn't really mean anything, not for us, unless we're an employee of the executive branch.
[50:55.420 --> 51:00.420]  See, in order to prosecute one of the people, okay,
[51:00.420 --> 51:06.420]  we have to be subject to whatever law the city attorney would have jurisdiction over.
[51:06.420 --> 51:10.420]  Well, if he cannot act as an attorney for the state,
[51:10.420 --> 51:15.420]  then he can't prosecute any offense that's based on state law.
[51:15.420 --> 51:18.420]  That's just, it just can't happen any other way.
[51:18.420 --> 51:24.420]  Only an attorney for the state can prosecute in the name of the state.
[51:24.420 --> 51:27.420]  Sure, that makes total sense.
[51:27.420 --> 51:34.420]  Now, the agreement that the municipal courts have or the cities have with the state
[51:34.420 --> 51:38.420]  where they share this revenue, which I think is about 50%,
[51:38.420 --> 51:41.420]  that doesn't enter into this at all?
[51:41.420 --> 51:42.420]  Sure, it does.
[51:42.420 --> 51:49.420]  That's the motivation for the municipal court to try to maintain jurisdiction when it doesn't actually have it.
[51:49.420 --> 51:59.420]  That's how they deny the people their right to due process is by keeping a jurisdiction that the law does not give them.
[51:59.420 --> 52:01.420]  Okay.
[52:01.420 --> 52:06.420]  Well, so let me just phrase this question another way.
[52:06.420 --> 52:11.420]  So I get a ticket in a city and it says that my ticket is,
[52:11.420 --> 52:20.420]  I'm charged with violating a city code speeding in a school zone.
[52:20.420 --> 52:21.420]  Okay.
[52:21.420 --> 52:25.420]  It's not a state law.
[52:25.420 --> 52:28.420]  So are you saying then, I hear you're right,
[52:28.420 --> 52:36.420]  that the attorney can't prosecute even in that case when it's the city code?
[52:36.420 --> 52:39.420]  It's a state law.
[52:39.420 --> 52:47.420]  But a municipal attorney has no power to prosecute a violation of a state law.
[52:47.420 --> 52:50.420]  Only a county attorney can do that.
[52:50.420 --> 52:56.420]  Yes, you can be prosecuted because you're violating a speed limit that's based on a state law.
[52:56.420 --> 53:06.420]  See, the state delegates the authority to the municipality to set speed limits locally within the town, but the city can't just make them up.
[53:06.420 --> 53:11.420]  They have to follow the state procedures in order to set that speed limit.
[53:11.420 --> 53:14.420]  So it's controlled by the state, not the city.
[53:14.420 --> 53:22.420]  They can write a city ordinance that is in addition to that, but the city ordinance would not have any effect upon you.
[53:22.420 --> 53:29.420]  They could only charge you with the state offense, but the city attorney can't prosecute it.
[53:29.420 --> 53:36.420]  Well, that's interesting because I did recently get a ticket for that, that speeding in a school zone,
[53:36.420 --> 53:41.420]  and they didn't cite the state licensing or I mean the state law.
[53:41.420 --> 53:47.420]  They cited a city code or a city law.
[53:47.420 --> 53:48.420]  Right.
[53:48.420 --> 53:50.420]  And they do that to try to maintain jurisdiction.
[53:50.420 --> 53:53.420]  It's the only way they could get it.
[53:53.420 --> 53:55.420]  Okay.
[53:55.420 --> 53:56.420]  Well, thank you very much.
[53:56.420 --> 54:01.420]  I'm going to review this audio later just so I get all the fine points.
[54:01.420 --> 54:02.420]  Thanks, guys.
[54:02.420 --> 54:03.420]  All right.
[54:03.420 --> 54:04.420]  Thanks, Ken.
[54:04.420 --> 54:05.420]  Thanks for calling in.
[54:05.420 --> 54:06.420]  Thanks for being patient and holding so long.
[54:06.420 --> 54:07.420]  All right.
[54:07.420 --> 54:11.420]  We are going to go now to Shirley in Arizona.
[54:11.420 --> 54:13.420]  Shirley, thanks for calling in.
[54:13.420 --> 54:14.420]  What's on your mind tonight?
[54:14.420 --> 54:15.420]  What's your question?
[54:15.420 --> 54:16.420]  Well, thank you very much.
[54:16.420 --> 54:23.420]  This is a follow-up call to basically I was talking with Randy Friday evening
[54:23.420 --> 54:29.420]  and mentioned the case of Richard I. Fine, the imprisoned attorney in Los Angeles,
[54:29.420 --> 54:35.420]  and I sent him an email, and so I was calling to find out if he had read that
[54:35.420 --> 54:41.420]  and researched it at any point because basically he said that these unbelievable stories,
[54:41.420 --> 54:46.420]  usually there's some other point that hasn't been brought out by the caller.
[54:46.420 --> 54:48.420]  And have you read it, Randy?
[54:48.420 --> 54:50.420]  Yes, I did.
[54:50.420 --> 54:53.420]  And the stories certainly bore up.
[54:53.420 --> 54:57.420]  He certainly has a lot of people working in his behalf.
[54:57.420 --> 55:01.420]  And the more I read, the more outrageous it got.
[55:01.420 --> 55:08.420]  It appears clear that the county is bribing the judges because the county has no authority.
[55:08.420 --> 55:11.420]  These are state judges and not county judges,
[55:11.420 --> 55:15.420]  and the county is paying them 40-something thousand a year,
[55:15.420 --> 55:20.420]  and somehow the county manages to win all its cases.
[55:20.420 --> 55:22.420]  Strange how that works.
[55:22.420 --> 55:27.420]  Now, Randy, why don't you also mention the part about how this guy is being held in contempt,
[55:27.420 --> 55:33.420]  and that's why he's just being held indefinitely because that's what happens with contempt.
[55:33.420 --> 55:39.420]  The contempt can be a real problem, and here it's clearly severely abused,
[55:39.420 --> 55:49.420]  and I would hope that this can act as a nexus to get serious constraints put on the ability of a judge
[55:49.420 --> 55:52.420]  to simply order imprisonment without cause.
[55:52.420 --> 55:56.420]  Yeah, whenever you hear stories about people are just locked up in jail
[55:56.420 --> 56:00.420]  and they've never had a hearing and all these kinds of things,
[56:00.420 --> 56:04.420]  it's generally what doesn't come out is that the reason that's happening
[56:04.420 --> 56:06.420]  is because they're being held in contempt of court.
[56:06.420 --> 56:13.420]  And Randy, in this particular situation, why is this attorney fined?
[56:13.420 --> 56:14.420]  Why is he being held in contempt?
[56:14.420 --> 56:17.420]  What does the judge want him to do?
[56:17.420 --> 56:19.420]  Wasn't clear.
[56:19.420 --> 56:24.420]  As I understand it, the judge wanted him to expose his financial statement.
[56:24.420 --> 56:27.420]  He has been disbarred.
[56:27.420 --> 56:30.420]  He's 70 years old.
[56:30.420 --> 56:33.420]  He practiced this before the United States Supreme Court.
[56:33.420 --> 56:37.420]  He's won cases against OPEC.
[56:37.420 --> 56:42.420]  He has tremendous integrity, and he's primarily in jail.
[56:42.420 --> 56:50.420]  It may say contempt, but the judges are acting on their own.
[56:50.420 --> 56:56.420]  When he brings motions to recuse them, of course, they don't step down.
[56:56.420 --> 57:01.420]  They don't indicate that they have been paid by one, either the plaintiff
[57:01.420 --> 57:05.420]  or the defendant, depending upon the position that the county is in,
[57:05.420 --> 57:07.420]  and they fine for the county.
[57:07.420 --> 57:08.420]  Well, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[57:08.420 --> 57:12.420]  Okay, are there criminal charges against this attorney fined?
[57:12.420 --> 57:13.420]  No.
[57:13.420 --> 57:18.420]  I mean, why would a judge just all of a sudden tell an attorney,
[57:18.420 --> 57:20.420]  bring forth your financial records?
[57:20.420 --> 57:23.420]  I mean, there must be a case or something involving him
[57:23.420 --> 57:28.420]  for the court to have jurisdiction over fines in order for the judge
[57:28.420 --> 57:32.420]  to demand that he expose his financial records.
[57:32.420 --> 57:38.420]  I think it had to do with Richard Fine paying a fine, which he wouldn't pay,
[57:38.420 --> 57:39.420]  couldn't pay.
[57:39.420 --> 57:40.420]  Paying a fine for what?
[57:40.420 --> 57:42.420]  That's what I'm trying to find out.
[57:42.420 --> 57:44.420]  I'm not sure I wished you would go ahead and read that.
[57:44.420 --> 57:50.420]  The other thing that, Randy, you may have looked at was the bill that was passed
[57:50.420 --> 57:55.420]  by this California legislature that gave restorative immunity to these judges.
[57:55.420 --> 57:57.420]  Yes, I looked at that.
[57:57.420 --> 57:59.420]  No ex-po facto laws.
[57:59.420 --> 58:03.420]  It's clearly, the courts are clearly corrupt.
[58:03.420 --> 58:06.420]  It's not just in California, but everywhere.
[58:06.420 --> 58:09.420]  The courts are absolutely corrupt.
[58:09.420 --> 58:11.420]  All right, well, listen, Charlie, hang on the line.
[58:11.420 --> 58:15.420]  We're at the top of the hour break, so you're welcome to stay on,
[58:15.420 --> 58:18.420]  and we can discuss this a little bit further on the other side, all right?
[58:18.420 --> 58:19.420]  Okay.
[58:19.420 --> 58:20.420]  Okay, great.
[58:20.420 --> 58:22.420]  And then we'll go to Steve and Todd.
[58:22.420 --> 58:27.420]  After that, callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[58:27.420 --> 58:31.420]  And I can tell you right now, with contempt charges,
[58:31.420 --> 58:33.420]  it can be a very serious thing,
[58:33.420 --> 58:37.420]  and contempt charges are apt to be abused by judges,
[58:37.420 --> 58:41.420]  and pretty much you have to do what the judge says if you want to get out of jail,
[58:41.420 --> 58:45.420]  and then you just have to go back after him later if what he ordered you to do
[58:45.420 --> 58:49.420]  was illegal or not according to law or without jurisdiction.
[58:49.420 --> 58:52.420]  We'll be back.
[58:52.420 --> 58:55.420]  This is Deborah Stevens from Rule of Law Radio.
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[59:51.420 --> 59:56.420]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[59:56.420 --> 01:00:00.420]  In Afghanistan, officials claim 27 insurgents have been killed
[01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:05.420]  in NATO's latest offensive against Taliban strongholds in Helmand province.
[01:00:05.420 --> 01:00:10.420]  Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Sunday 10 civilians were killed.
[01:00:10.420 --> 01:00:13.420]  Two Afghan and five NATO troops were also killed.
[01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:19.420]  In Pakistan's North Waziristan, two missiles fired from U.S. drones Sunday
[01:00:19.420 --> 01:00:22.420]  killed at least six indigenous fighters.
[01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:26.420]  U.S. forces have shot eight Iraqis, most of them innocent bystanders,
[01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:29.420]  in a raid southeast of Baghdad.
[01:00:29.420 --> 01:00:33.420]  Iraqi Provincial Council officials described the U.S. raid as slaughter
[01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:37.420]  and demanded financial compensation for relatives of the victims.
[01:00:37.420 --> 01:00:41.420]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:46.420]  In other news, Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government mask the true extent
[01:00:46.420 --> 01:00:51.420]  of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal that legally circumvented
[01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:53.420]  EU deficit rules.
[01:00:53.420 --> 01:00:58.420]  The EU imposes hefty fines on member countries that exceed the budget deficit
[01:00:58.420 --> 01:01:01.420]  limit of 3% of gross domestic product.
[01:01:01.420 --> 01:01:05.420]  Total government debt mustn't exceed 60%.
[01:01:05.420 --> 01:01:10.420]  Greece has never managed to stick to the 60% debt limit and has only adhered
[01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:14.420]  to the 3% deficit ceiling through balance sheet cosmetics.
[01:01:14.420 --> 01:01:20.420]  In 2002, Greece's debt managers made a huge deal with Goldman Sachs involving
[01:01:20.420 --> 01:01:25.420]  cross-currency swaps in which government debt issued in dollars and yen
[01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:30.420]  was swapped for euro debt to be exchanged back into the original currencies
[01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:32.420]  at a later date.
[01:01:32.420 --> 01:01:37.420]  Goldman devised a special kind of swap with fictional exchange rates enabling
[01:01:37.420 --> 01:01:42.420]  Greece to receive $1 billion more than actual market value.
[01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:48.420]  This credit disguised as a swap didn't show up in Greek debt statistics.
[01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:53.420]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[01:01:53.420 --> 01:01:57.420]  Former managing director of Monsanto India, Tiruvardhi Jagadishan, said Monday
[01:01:57.420 --> 01:02:02.420]  the company, quote, used to fake scientific data to get commercial approvals
[01:02:02.420 --> 01:02:04.420]  for its products in India.
[01:02:04.420 --> 01:02:10.420]  Jagadishan is the latest critic of the genetically modified crop BT brinjal
[01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:13.420]  and the first industry insider to do so.
[01:02:13.420 --> 01:02:17.420]  Jagadishan said the central insecticide board simply accepted foreign data
[01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:19.420]  supplied by Monsanto.
[01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:23.420]  They did not even have a test tube to validate the data and at times
[01:02:23.420 --> 01:02:25.420]  the data itself was faked.
[01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:29.420]  Jagadishan explained, at that time Monsanto was getting into the seed business
[01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:35.420]  and I had information that a terminator gene was to be incorporated in the seeds
[01:02:35.420 --> 01:02:37.420]  supplied by the firm.
[01:02:37.420 --> 01:02:41.420]  This meant that the farmer had to buy fresh seeds from Monsanto at heavy cost
[01:02:41.420 --> 01:02:43.420]  every time he planted the crop.
[01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:48.420]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
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[01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:47.420]  Of course that was Steve Dorr, my very good friend Steve Dorr,
[01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:51.420]  writing songs about liberty, writing songs about Ron Paul and Deborah Medina.
[01:04:51.420 --> 01:04:57.420]  Okay, we've got Shirley from Arizona.
[01:04:57.420 --> 01:05:02.420]  Yeah, Shirley, so yeah, I've had barely briefly chances to go over your email,
[01:05:02.420 --> 01:05:11.420]  but listeners will have to forgive us because we do give pro bono legal assistance,
[01:05:11.420 --> 01:05:15.420]  I would say not legal advice, on the air for free eight hours a week,
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[01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:26.420]  and answer as many emails as possible and return as many phone calls as possible.
[01:05:26.420 --> 01:05:30.420]  But, you know, at some point we have to, you know,
[01:05:30.420 --> 01:05:33.420]  get a little cash for ourselves so we can go to the grocery store.
[01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:36.420]  I mean, at some point we have to like, you know,
[01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:40.420]  actually make a living and support ourselves because we are doing this for free.
[01:05:40.420 --> 01:05:42.420]  We have hardly no sponsors.
[01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:44.420]  We're paying for this out of our own pocket.
[01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:48.420]  Eddie, Randy and myself have spent tens of thousands of dollars of our own money
[01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:50.420]  to do this, to help people.
[01:05:50.420 --> 01:05:54.420]  So I would pray and hope that listeners would cut us a little bit of slack
[01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:59.420]  so we don't, you know, just pick up cases and run with them for free, you know,
[01:05:59.420 --> 01:06:02.420]  or are able to answer every single email right now.
[01:06:02.420 --> 01:06:07.420]  I've got four federal lawsuits that I'm taking care of right now regarding FCC issues,
[01:06:07.420 --> 01:06:13.420]  and of course Randy has probably dozens of pro bono cases that he's dealing with.
[01:06:13.420 --> 01:06:19.420]  So that's why, you know, we put out a call for donations because we are doing this for free,
[01:06:19.420 --> 01:06:24.420]  and we ask listeners that, you know, if we help you or if this show helps you
[01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:29.420]  or if you get, even if you don't call in, if you get information from us that helps you,
[01:06:29.420 --> 01:06:35.420]  why don't you try to figure out how much you would have had to pay an attorney to help you
[01:06:35.420 --> 01:06:41.420]  and give us a tenth of that, okay, or a quarter of that or whatever you can afford
[01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:44.420]  because I do believe we're providing a valuable service here.
[01:06:44.420 --> 01:06:50.420]  At any rate, Randy, you had some comments about this situation for Shirley.
[01:06:50.420 --> 01:06:53.420]  Well, the contempt of court is a real problem.
[01:06:53.420 --> 01:07:00.420]  I've been working with a woman that spent two years in an Arizona prison for contempt of court,
[01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:03.420]  and the way she got out is simply apologize to the judge,
[01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:09.420]  and I'm not suggesting that Mr. Fiennes do that, and from looking at the literature,
[01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:11.420]  I don't think it would help.
[01:07:11.420 --> 01:07:16.420]  The courts are corrupt. They're just ultimately corrupt.
[01:07:16.420 --> 01:07:19.420]  The state courts, federal courts, all of them,
[01:07:19.420 --> 01:07:26.420]  and primarily I'm focusing my efforts at this time toward judges.
[01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:32.420]  If we don't start going after the judges and taking them to task,
[01:07:32.420 --> 01:07:35.420]  this is going to do nothing to get worse.
[01:07:35.420 --> 01:07:41.420]  I keep asking, would you recognize a police state if you were in one?
[01:07:41.420 --> 01:07:44.420]  What would one look like?
[01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:53.420]  In Texas, average conviction rate, 99.6, rounds up to 100.
[01:07:53.420 --> 01:07:58.420]  If you were in a country where everyone accused of a crime is found guilty of the crime,
[01:07:58.420 --> 01:08:01.420]  would that be a police state?
[01:08:01.420 --> 01:08:05.420]  The United States contains approximately 3% of the world's population.
[01:08:05.420 --> 01:08:12.420]  We house approximately 50% of the world's population of inmates.
[01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:17.420]  How much more would it take to be a police state?
[01:08:17.420 --> 01:08:22.420]  We need to start going after the judges.
[01:08:22.420 --> 01:08:25.420]  They're the point of the spear.
[01:08:25.420 --> 01:08:31.420]  Criminal charges, civil actions, challenges against their bonds,
[01:08:31.420 --> 01:08:37.420]  judicial conduct complaints, and push our legislators to do something to rein in judges.
[01:08:37.420 --> 01:08:42.420]  I'm not saying that I would advise Attorney Fines to do this,
[01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:48.420]  but I know for sure if it were me, my liberty is more important than anything.
[01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:53.420]  If I was held in contempt for something, even if it was totally by a corrupt judge,
[01:08:53.420 --> 01:08:58.420]  even if the judge totally had no jurisdiction to demand whatever he was demanding of me,
[01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:02.420]  I would give up whatever documents or do whatever the judge wanted
[01:09:02.420 --> 01:09:08.420]  just to get my butt out of jail and then go after the judge later with everything I have.
[01:09:08.420 --> 01:09:10.420]  That's just me.
[01:09:10.420 --> 01:09:16.420]  It sounds like they're trying to get documentation so they can get more substantial charges against him.
[01:09:16.420 --> 01:09:19.420]  He's clearly being framed.
[01:09:19.420 --> 01:09:22.420]  Let me tell you how I found the show.
[01:09:22.420 --> 01:09:23.420]  I'm a new listener.
[01:09:23.420 --> 01:09:25.420]  I will continue to be a listener.
[01:09:25.420 --> 01:09:30.420]  But I found your show because my back has been up against the wall to draw attention.
[01:09:30.420 --> 01:09:32.420]  I don't have to write the briefs.
[01:09:32.420 --> 01:09:33.420]  I can't write the briefs.
[01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:37.420]  Richard Fine is completely capable of writing his own briefs,
[01:09:37.420 --> 01:09:43.420]  which is what he's been having to do, although he's a little too close to the situation, granted.
[01:09:43.420 --> 01:09:51.420]  But when you talk about rule of law, and I really thank you for your show,
[01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:54.420]  again, I've only listened to it three times,
[01:09:54.420 --> 01:10:01.420]  but the concept came about to go on the Internet because I was going up against block walls.
[01:10:01.420 --> 01:10:04.420]  So I'm very pleased to have found you.
[01:10:04.420 --> 01:10:06.420]  And he is going against the judges.
[01:10:06.420 --> 01:10:08.420]  He's a persona.
[01:10:08.420 --> 01:10:18.420]  He is what has happened and if we could get it out publicly.
[01:10:18.420 --> 01:10:20.420]  And that's all I'm trying to do.
[01:10:20.420 --> 01:10:21.420]  Oh, okay.
[01:10:21.420 --> 01:10:22.420]  We don't mind doing that.
[01:10:22.420 --> 01:10:23.420]  And we're glad to do that.
[01:10:23.420 --> 01:10:28.420]  It just seemed a little missed that I hadn't done as much research as you'd like.
[01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:30.420]  I'm just buried.
[01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:37.420]  If you wanted an Emmy Award winner who produces Full Disclosure,
[01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:42.420]  and she's done some of those tapes that you've seen on there, Randy,
[01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:49.420]  if you wanted to have her as a guest on your show, she could explain this fully.
[01:10:49.420 --> 01:10:54.420]  I think it would be a very interesting segment if you chose to do that.
[01:10:54.420 --> 01:10:57.420]  She's the one that has not been able to get into the prison,
[01:10:57.420 --> 01:11:03.420]  and Judicial Watch has filed a motion, and I don't know which court it's with,
[01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:13.420]  to force the county sheriff to allow her in to interview Mr. Fine.
[01:11:13.420 --> 01:11:18.420]  So she's very knowledgeable, would be able to answer questions.
[01:11:18.420 --> 01:11:22.420]  I think it would be interesting, a segment on your show.
[01:11:22.420 --> 01:11:23.420]  That sounds like a great idea.
[01:11:23.420 --> 01:11:24.420]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:24.420 --> 01:11:25.420]  Hold on.
[01:11:25.420 --> 01:11:27.420]  This is Orange County?
[01:11:27.420 --> 01:11:32.420]  Los Angeles County.
[01:11:32.420 --> 01:11:34.420]  What is her name, Charlie?
[01:11:34.420 --> 01:11:37.420]  Leslie Dutton.
[01:11:37.420 --> 01:11:38.420]  Great.
[01:11:38.420 --> 01:11:40.420]  And she's an Emmy Award winner.
[01:11:40.420 --> 01:11:47.420]  She's knowledgeable in her own right, and she has a show that has been on public TV.
[01:11:47.420 --> 01:11:49.420]  I can give you her phone number.
[01:11:49.420 --> 01:11:54.420]  You can be in direct contact with her, and she'd make an interesting segment.
[01:11:54.420 --> 01:12:00.420]  Yes, send us an email with the all caps and mention her name in the header,
[01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:07.420]  in the subject line, and so I'll be able to sort that one out from the rest of the email, I guess.
[01:12:07.420 --> 01:12:08.420]  Okay.
[01:12:08.420 --> 01:12:11.420]  You would like that, because I didn't send it to you.
[01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:12.420]  Yeah, that would be great.
[01:12:12.420 --> 01:12:17.420]  I would like to look her up and see what she's done and stuff like that.
[01:12:17.420 --> 01:12:18.420]  That would be awesome.
[01:12:18.420 --> 01:12:19.420]  Okay.
[01:12:19.420 --> 01:12:22.420]  You'll find her very interesting, very knowledgeable.
[01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:25.420]  She can quote book, chapter, and verse for you.
[01:12:25.420 --> 01:12:26.420]  That's wonderful.
[01:12:26.420 --> 01:12:27.420]  That's what we need.
[01:12:27.420 --> 01:12:28.420]  That's what our listeners want to hear.
[01:12:28.420 --> 01:12:34.420]  There was an issue when, last time I was out in California, I was in Orange County,
[01:12:34.420 --> 01:12:43.420]  but what is the relationship of the county police to the city itself?
[01:12:43.420 --> 01:12:44.420]  County police?
[01:12:44.420 --> 01:12:45.420]  You mean the sheriff?
[01:12:45.420 --> 01:12:46.420]  Yeah.
[01:12:46.420 --> 01:12:47.420]  The sheriff?
[01:12:47.420 --> 01:12:52.420]  I'm thinking in terms of the Brentwood Agreements.
[01:12:52.420 --> 01:12:58.420]  What we did was found some really powerful leverage against the sheriff.
[01:12:58.420 --> 01:13:04.420]  If the sheriff's department is working...
[01:13:04.420 --> 01:13:08.420]  He wants to know what the relationship is between the sheriff's department
[01:13:08.420 --> 01:13:12.420]  and the city municipality in Los Angeles County.
[01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:13.420]  I don't know.
[01:13:13.420 --> 01:13:15.420]  You might look up the Brentwood Agreement.
[01:13:15.420 --> 01:13:24.420]  In Orange County, the sheriff is hired by the municipalities to police the municipalities.
[01:13:24.420 --> 01:13:29.420]  They make $360 something million a year by it.
[01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:35.420]  When we attacked the Brentwood Agreement as creating a constitutional conflict,
[01:13:35.420 --> 01:13:39.420]  they got apoplexy.
[01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:44.420]  You might want to see if you can find leverage against the sheriff.
[01:13:44.420 --> 01:13:48.420]  If you have people there that are willing to stand up,
[01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:54.420]  stand on their cars about this and park them in front of the courthouse.
[01:13:54.420 --> 01:13:57.420]  The trick about that is you can put a sign on the car
[01:13:57.420 --> 01:14:01.420]  and there's no statutes that govern that.
[01:14:01.420 --> 01:14:08.420]  Like you say, if it isn't just Los Angeles County, which I'm sure it isn't,
[01:14:08.420 --> 01:14:14.420]  but this is blatant, it's over $300 million over the past 20 years
[01:14:14.420 --> 01:14:20.420]  that has been given to them under the table, then our rule of law is gone.
[01:14:20.420 --> 01:14:22.420]  It's gone.
[01:14:22.420 --> 01:14:23.420]  Yeah, it is gone.
[01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:24.420]  It's gone.
[01:14:24.420 --> 01:14:25.420]  That's part of our point here.
[01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:27.420]  We have to stand up.
[01:14:27.420 --> 01:14:29.420]  We can't wait any longer.
[01:14:29.420 --> 01:14:40.420]  We need to get this so that whether it's key parties or it needs to be out somewhere.
[01:14:40.420 --> 01:14:45.420]  I'd love to have one of the ones that has thousands of listeners.
[01:14:45.420 --> 01:14:49.420]  I know you guys are doing everything that you can,
[01:14:49.420 --> 01:14:52.420]  but how are we going to get it out into the general public?
[01:14:52.420 --> 01:14:56.420]  Well, fortunately, we have about 20 AM and FM affiliates around the country,
[01:14:56.420 --> 01:14:59.420]  so there are thousands of people listening right now,
[01:14:59.420 --> 01:15:04.420]  but yeah, we want to get it to as many more people as we possibly can.
[01:15:04.420 --> 01:15:05.420]  Okay.
[01:15:05.420 --> 01:15:09.420]  Well, I will send you Leslie's phone number if you call her during the day,
[01:15:09.420 --> 01:15:11.420]  not on the program, I would think,
[01:15:11.420 --> 01:15:14.420]  so that you can know whether you want her as a guest or not.
[01:15:14.420 --> 01:15:15.420]  Sounds like a great idea.
[01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:19.420]  I think she's outstanding, and you'd be happy with her.
[01:15:19.420 --> 01:15:20.420]  Sounds like a wonderful idea.
[01:15:20.420 --> 01:15:23.420]  Send me the link to her website also, please.
[01:15:23.420 --> 01:15:24.420]  I will do that.
[01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:25.420]  Awesome.
[01:15:25.420 --> 01:15:27.420]  Thank you, Shirley, and thank you for bringing this to our attention.
[01:15:27.420 --> 01:15:30.420]  Thank you, Randy and Deb, and I'll be listening again.
[01:15:30.420 --> 01:15:35.420]  Yes, thank you, because it really is a rare thing to see attorneys with bar cards,
[01:15:35.420 --> 01:15:37.420]  current bar cards, standing up to these corrupt judges.
[01:15:37.420 --> 01:15:42.420]  So we do want to help as much as we can with these kinds of situations.
[01:15:42.420 --> 01:15:45.420]  Well, there's no attorneys in the L.A. area that are going to go ahead
[01:15:45.420 --> 01:15:48.420]  and appear for him.
[01:15:48.420 --> 01:15:52.420]  No way, because their heads will be on the chopping block too.
[01:15:52.420 --> 01:15:55.420]  Yeah.
[01:15:55.420 --> 01:16:00.420]  Anyhow, thank you all very much, and I will send this information to you
[01:16:00.420 --> 01:16:03.420]  and hope to be listening when you have Leslie on your program.
[01:16:03.420 --> 01:16:04.420]  Okay, that sounds awesome.
[01:16:04.420 --> 01:16:05.420]  Thank you, Shirley.
[01:16:05.420 --> 01:16:06.420]  We really appreciate it.
[01:16:06.420 --> 01:16:09.420]  Really do appreciate you bringing this to our attention.
[01:16:09.420 --> 01:16:14.420]  Yeah, it's turning into a pro se world, really, if you want to go up against
[01:16:14.420 --> 01:16:17.420]  these attorneys, I mean, if you want to go up against these judges,
[01:16:17.420 --> 01:16:23.420]  because attorneys with bar cards, boy, they will really run them out of town
[01:16:23.420 --> 01:16:25.420]  on a rail, so to speak.
[01:16:25.420 --> 01:16:28.420]  All right, we're going to continue to take your calls.
[01:16:28.420 --> 01:16:33.420]  We've got Steve in California up next, Ben Todd in Ohio, Clayton from Texas,
[01:16:33.420 --> 01:16:35.420]  Gail from Minnesota.
[01:16:35.420 --> 01:16:37.420]  We'll be taking your calls for the rest of the show.
[01:16:37.420 --> 01:16:42.420]  This is The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens.
[01:16:42.420 --> 01:16:53.420]  We will be right back after this short break.
[01:16:53.420 --> 01:16:54.420]  Hello, Austin.
[01:16:54.420 --> 01:16:56.420]  My name is Harlan Dietrich, owner of Brave New Books,
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[01:17:02.420 --> 01:17:06.420]  We've been proud to host speakers like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jim Mars,
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[01:17:53.420 --> 01:18:01.420]  I'm gonna buy me
[01:18:01.420 --> 01:18:09.420]  Don't want me
[01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:13.420]  Well
[01:18:13.420 --> 01:18:16.420]  Ain't gonna fool me with that
[01:18:16.420 --> 01:18:24.420]  Same old trick again
[01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:29.420]  You put the beer in my pocket
[01:18:29.420 --> 01:18:31.420]  Ain't gonna fool me with that
[01:18:31.420 --> 01:18:37.420]  Same old trick again
[01:18:37.420 --> 01:18:53.420]  Ain't gonna fool me
[01:18:53.420 --> 01:18:55.420]  Ain't gonna drive me with that
[01:18:55.420 --> 01:18:58.420]  Same old sucker punch
[01:18:58.420 --> 01:19:03.420]  I get it now, but then I must have been in love
[01:19:03.420 --> 01:19:08.420]  Back then you had room to move, but now you're feeling the drive
[01:19:08.420 --> 01:19:10.420]  Ain't gonna get me with that
[01:19:10.420 --> 01:19:29.420]  Same old sucker punch
[01:19:29.420 --> 01:19:33.420]  Well
[01:19:33.420 --> 01:19:35.420]  Ain't gonna please me with that
[01:19:35.420 --> 01:19:38.420]  Same old sad song
[01:19:38.420 --> 01:19:43.420]  You thought you were right, but now you got it all wrong
[01:19:43.420 --> 01:19:48.420]  It was a weak moment for me, but I had the power all along
[01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:50.420]  Ain't gonna please me with that
[01:19:50.420 --> 01:19:58.420]  Same old sad song
[01:19:58.420 --> 01:20:13.420]  Well
[01:20:13.420 --> 01:20:15.420]  Ain't gonna bore me with that
[01:20:15.420 --> 01:20:18.420]  Same old bundle of lies
[01:20:18.420 --> 01:20:21.420]  Your arrogance is absurd
[01:20:21.420 --> 01:20:23.420]  Don't know why you even tried
[01:20:23.420 --> 01:20:28.420]  I'm gonna see my sweet republic re-analyze
[01:20:28.420 --> 01:20:30.420]  Ain't gonna blind me with that
[01:20:30.420 --> 01:20:43.420]  Same old bucket of lies
[01:20:43.420 --> 01:20:56.420]  Ain't gonna blind me
[01:20:56.420 --> 01:20:59.420]  Okay, we are back. Sorry for the extended break, folks.
[01:20:59.420 --> 01:21:02.420]  Randy's having trouble. His computer crashed,
[01:21:02.420 --> 01:21:05.420]  and apparently he's having trouble with his cell phone too,
[01:21:05.420 --> 01:21:07.420]  so he can't call in either.
[01:21:07.420 --> 01:21:11.420]  So we're doing everything we can to try to get Randy back up on the line here.
[01:21:11.420 --> 01:21:15.420]  He's got no phone, he's got no computer, so he's having troubles.
[01:21:15.420 --> 01:21:18.420]  Anyway, Eddie and I are still here.
[01:21:18.420 --> 01:21:21.420]  We're gonna go to your calls right now.
[01:21:21.420 --> 01:21:23.420]  Steve in California.
[01:21:23.420 --> 01:21:25.420]  Okay, Steve, thanks for calling in.
[01:21:25.420 --> 01:21:27.420]  What's your question or comment tonight?
[01:21:27.420 --> 01:21:29.420]  Hello, guys. How are you doing tonight?
[01:21:29.420 --> 01:21:30.420]  Pretty good.
[01:21:30.420 --> 01:21:33.420]  Randy seems to have dropped off the face of the map temporarily,
[01:21:33.420 --> 01:21:36.420]  but we're hanging in there.
[01:21:36.420 --> 01:21:38.420]  We'll miss him. We'll miss Randy.
[01:21:38.420 --> 01:21:44.420]  I talked in a couple weeks ago talking about the antics of the city of Montclair, California,
[01:21:44.420 --> 01:21:51.420]  where I live, and I found some more pretty good stuff.
[01:21:51.420 --> 01:21:56.420]  California Government Code, Section 300,
[01:21:56.420 --> 01:22:02.420]  hereby declares that for the protection of the health and safety and preservation
[01:22:02.420 --> 01:22:05.420]  of the lives and property of the people of the state
[01:22:05.420 --> 01:22:09.420]  from the effects of natural manmade and war-caused emergencies
[01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:14.420]  which result in conditions of disaster or an extreme peril to life, property,
[01:22:14.420 --> 01:22:19.420]  and the resources is of paramount state importance,
[01:22:19.420 --> 01:22:24.420]  requiring responsible efforts of public, private agencies and individual citizens.
[01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:28.420]  The furthers of the exercise of police powers in the state
[01:22:28.420 --> 01:22:31.420]  in protection of its citizens and resources.
[01:22:31.420 --> 01:22:33.420]  Now, here's the kicker.
[01:22:33.420 --> 01:22:38.420]  All public employees are hereby declared the disaster service workers
[01:22:38.420 --> 01:22:42.420]  and subject to such disaster service activities
[01:22:42.420 --> 01:22:48.420]  as may be assigned to them by their supervisors or by law.
[01:22:48.420 --> 01:22:56.420]  Okay, it's declaring every public employee a disaster service worker.
[01:22:56.420 --> 01:23:03.420]  No compensation or reimbursement for expenses incurred
[01:23:03.420 --> 01:23:07.420]  shall be paid to any disaster service worker by any public agency
[01:23:07.420 --> 01:23:12.420]  unless such disaster service worker has taken the subscribed oath
[01:23:12.420 --> 01:23:15.420]  or affirmation required by this chapter.
[01:23:15.420 --> 01:23:19.420]  It shall be the duty of the person certifying the public payroll
[01:23:19.420 --> 01:23:25.420]  to ascertain and certify that the disaster service worker has taken such an oath.
[01:23:25.420 --> 01:23:29.420]  And nothing in this chapter, however,
[01:23:29.420 --> 01:23:32.420]  shall prevent the correction of any technical error
[01:23:32.420 --> 01:23:36.420]  or deficiency in an oath taken pursuant to this chapter
[01:23:36.420 --> 01:23:41.420]  provided such correction is made before the disaster service worker
[01:23:41.420 --> 01:23:45.420]  is actually paid or reimbursed.
[01:23:45.420 --> 01:23:49.420]  Now, the oath that they're talking about is the constitutional oath.
[01:23:49.420 --> 01:23:54.420]  Section 3, or one of the constitutions.
[01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:59.420]  From what I'm understanding of this, the guy that trims the tree at the city park,
[01:23:59.420 --> 01:24:04.420]  the guy that cleans the sewers, all of them, if they're on city payroll,
[01:24:04.420 --> 01:24:07.420]  are disaster service workers.
[01:24:07.420 --> 01:24:09.420]  Would that be correct?
[01:24:09.420 --> 01:24:13.420]  Have they declared a disaster there in California or something?
[01:24:13.420 --> 01:24:18.420]  All public employees are hereby declared to be disaster service workers
[01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:20.420]  subject to the disaster service activities
[01:24:20.420 --> 01:24:24.420]  that may be assigned to them by their superiors or by law.
[01:24:24.420 --> 01:24:28.420]  Yes, but is there a qualification in the beginning of whatever you're reading there
[01:24:28.420 --> 01:24:33.420]  that says under these conditions or under these circumstances or at this time
[01:24:33.420 --> 01:24:38.420]  or anything giving a frame of reference for when that power is implemented?
[01:24:38.420 --> 01:24:39.420]  No.
[01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:43.420]  All employees are hereby declared disaster service workers, period.
[01:24:43.420 --> 01:24:49.420]  But if there's no disaster, then it's a moot point, I think, is what Eddie's trying to say.
[01:24:49.420 --> 01:24:53.420]  I understand that, but it doesn't say that under certain conditions,
[01:24:53.420 --> 01:24:59.420]  martial law, disaster or anything of the sort.
[01:24:59.420 --> 01:25:02.420]  But I understand your point.
[01:25:02.420 --> 01:25:07.420]  Well, I mean, I'm not saying the point's valid if unless you can find, you know,
[01:25:07.420 --> 01:25:11.420]  that there's a particular qualification of language there,
[01:25:11.420 --> 01:25:15.420]  then I can tell you what they're going to argue, okay?
[01:25:15.420 --> 01:25:17.420]  Right, right.
[01:25:17.420 --> 01:25:23.420]  The point was it is the duty of the person certifying the public payroll
[01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:27.420]  to ascertain and certify these oaths.
[01:25:27.420 --> 01:25:28.420]  And we do have Randy back.
[01:25:28.420 --> 01:25:30.420]  Apparently he got his cell phone working.
[01:25:30.420 --> 01:25:33.420]  So, Randy, do you have any comments on this?
[01:25:33.420 --> 01:25:38.420]  No, I missed most of it, handling technical difficulties.
[01:25:38.420 --> 01:25:42.420]  Randy's computer went down and his cell phone wasn't working either.
[01:25:42.420 --> 01:25:44.420]  So, yes, I would say so.
[01:25:44.420 --> 01:25:46.420]  I understand that.
[01:25:46.420 --> 01:25:50.420]  I'm going to the city hall tomorrow and I'm going to ask for clarification
[01:25:50.420 --> 01:25:54.420]  and talk to the...
[01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:59.420]  I've apparently got the city clerk's attention after calling the police on her.
[01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:05.420]  She's been very hospitable the last time I've checked in with her.
[01:26:05.420 --> 01:26:06.420]  What city are you in?
[01:26:06.420 --> 01:26:11.420]  Montclair, San Bernardino County.
[01:26:11.420 --> 01:26:14.420]  Did you call the police on the city clerk?
[01:26:14.420 --> 01:26:19.420]  Yes, I called in and told you guys about that a week and a half ago.
[01:26:19.420 --> 01:26:20.420]  Good man.
[01:26:20.420 --> 01:26:26.420]  She violated duties of her office denying me access to the public records,
[01:26:26.420 --> 01:26:30.420]  which is a misdemeanor in this state.
[01:26:30.420 --> 01:26:32.420]  That's a class A misdemeanor.
[01:26:32.420 --> 01:26:34.420]  I called the police on her.
[01:26:34.420 --> 01:26:38.420]  And you found that when you did that all of a sudden you became sir?
[01:26:38.420 --> 01:26:40.420]  Well, yeah.
[01:26:40.420 --> 01:26:43.420]  She hid under her desk avoiding me.
[01:26:43.420 --> 01:26:46.420]  So I went outside and called the police and then she came running outside
[01:26:46.420 --> 01:26:49.420]  before the police could arrive, wanted to talk to me.
[01:26:49.420 --> 01:26:52.420]  And we dismissed her.
[01:26:52.420 --> 01:26:54.420]  Good, good.
[01:26:54.420 --> 01:26:59.420]  Anyway, that was about it.
[01:26:59.420 --> 01:27:05.420]  I'm looking to find these oath reaffirmations, but they've, in my opinion,
[01:27:05.420 --> 01:27:11.420]  they have admitted to the possibility of a technical error or deficiency in an oath.
[01:27:11.420 --> 01:27:15.420]  The mayor's oath is signed by his son, a pastor.
[01:27:15.420 --> 01:27:22.420]  And where a pastor got the authority to administer an oath of office, I don't know.
[01:27:22.420 --> 01:27:33.420]  And the officer that towed my car, the line I blank is blank.
[01:27:33.420 --> 01:27:36.420]  So that would be a technical error in my opinion.
[01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:41.420]  A technical error is where they spell his name wrong.
[01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:42.420]  Okay.
[01:27:42.420 --> 01:27:44.420]  Well, he didn't spell it at all.
[01:27:44.420 --> 01:27:47.420]  If the oath isn't signed, that's not a technical error.
[01:27:47.420 --> 01:27:49.420]  Well, it's signed.
[01:27:49.420 --> 01:27:53.420]  It's signed, but where it says I blank do you solemnly swear?
[01:27:53.420 --> 01:27:54.420]  He did not print his name.
[01:27:54.420 --> 01:27:56.420]  That would be a technical error, wouldn't it?
[01:27:56.420 --> 01:27:58.420]  That would be a technical error, yes.
[01:27:58.420 --> 01:28:04.420]  So it must be corrected prior to the person being paid.
[01:28:04.420 --> 01:28:10.420]  So you need to go after the county auditor.
[01:28:10.420 --> 01:28:12.420]  Well, it's the city.
[01:28:12.420 --> 01:28:14.420]  The city treasurer.
[01:28:14.420 --> 01:28:16.420]  Oh, the city treasurer, yes.
[01:28:16.420 --> 01:28:22.420]  The city treasurer would be the one that I would assume certifies the payroll.
[01:28:22.420 --> 01:28:28.420]  And that would go under embezzlement.
[01:28:28.420 --> 01:28:31.420]  That would absolutely go under embezzlement.
[01:28:31.420 --> 01:28:45.420]  Every officer in the state, any county, city, town, 424, penal code, embezzlement.
[01:28:45.420 --> 01:28:55.420]  Without authority of law, a point appropriates the same or any portion thereof to his own use or to the use of others.
[01:28:55.420 --> 01:28:59.420]  So, yes, that would be embezzlement.
[01:28:59.420 --> 01:29:02.420]  But I'm going in tomorrow and I'm going to check more into it.
[01:29:02.420 --> 01:29:16.420]  And I'm going to ask for the certification that the payroll person has to have and just stir up a little bit more stuff.
[01:29:16.420 --> 01:29:17.420]  Wonderful.
[01:29:17.420 --> 01:29:20.420]  I appreciate you guys' shows so much.
[01:29:20.420 --> 01:29:22.420]  We get more people doing what you're doing.
[01:29:22.420 --> 01:29:24.420]  We'll get the courts back.
[01:29:24.420 --> 01:29:29.420]  So I'm not big enough to go before I'll stick with the city.
[01:29:29.420 --> 01:29:30.420]  All right, guys.
[01:29:30.420 --> 01:29:31.420]  Good night.
[01:29:31.420 --> 01:29:32.420]  All right.
[01:29:32.420 --> 01:29:33.420]  Thank you, Steve.
[01:29:33.420 --> 01:29:34.420]  All right.
[01:29:34.420 --> 01:29:36.420]  We had someone, a caller from Ohio that dropped off the line.
[01:29:36.420 --> 01:29:37.420]  Todd from Ohio.
[01:29:37.420 --> 01:29:38.420]  There he is.
[01:29:38.420 --> 01:29:39.420]  He's back.
[01:29:39.420 --> 01:29:40.420]  He was next.
[01:29:40.420 --> 01:29:42.420]  Okay, Todd, we're going to take your call on the other side.
[01:29:42.420 --> 01:29:52.420]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens, who will be right back after this break.
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[01:32:15.420 --> 01:32:20.420]  Okay we are back, this is the rule of law, we're taking a calls, we're going to Todd in Ohio
[01:32:20.420 --> 01:32:23.420]  Todd thank you for calling back in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:32:23.420 --> 01:32:27.420]  Oh man I'm just so glad to talk to you guys again, how you doing?
[01:32:27.420 --> 01:32:31.420]  Oh it's good to talk to you, we're so glad to talk to our callers, we're doing pretty well
[01:32:31.420 --> 01:32:33.420]  What do you got for us tonight?
[01:32:33.420 --> 01:32:37.420]  Yeah I got actually three things, I'll make it probably brief and concise for you
[01:32:37.420 --> 01:32:40.420]  So that I don't take up too much time but if you don't recall
[01:32:40.420 --> 01:32:47.420]  I called into your show regarding a credit card deal that I was in with the company
[01:32:47.420 --> 01:32:52.420]  And they sent a complaint and I ended up sending a motion for a more definite statement
[01:32:52.420 --> 01:32:58.420]  And in the motion for a more definite statement, this is for a debt not paid
[01:32:58.420 --> 01:33:04.420]  Or alleged debt not paid and along with the motion for a more definite statement
[01:33:04.420 --> 01:33:08.420]  I asked them to include a copy of the original application
[01:33:08.420 --> 01:33:12.420]  And the magistrate denied my motion for a more definite statement
[01:33:12.420 --> 01:33:17.420]  However she did ask them to provide an application within 45 days
[01:33:17.420 --> 01:33:19.420]  Kind of a nice little Christmas present for me
[01:33:19.420 --> 01:33:23.420]  And they ended up not being able to fulfill that within the time required
[01:33:23.420 --> 01:33:28.420]  So I filed a motion to dismiss, so that's where I'm at on that one
[01:33:28.420 --> 01:33:31.420]  Motion to dismiss with prejudice right?
[01:33:31.420 --> 01:33:37.420]  I asked with prejudice but in the magistrate's decision they said without prejudice
[01:33:37.420 --> 01:33:43.420]  But I said with prejudice or whatever the court deems necessary or something along those lines
[01:33:43.420 --> 01:33:47.420]  Did they give you, did the court grant you your motion to dismiss?
[01:33:47.420 --> 01:33:53.420]  I just put it in, so the time has taken for them to respond, they have 14 days I believe according to Ohio law
[01:33:53.420 --> 01:33:57.420]  Well but the problem is how can they respond to a motion they've already defaulted on?
[01:33:57.420 --> 01:34:01.420]  What are they going to say? Yeah we screwed up, go ahead
[01:34:01.420 --> 01:34:08.420]  Yeah well it's up to the magistrate I guess whether, the only thing I think they're deciding now is whether to do it with or without prejudice
[01:34:08.420 --> 01:34:12.420]  So it's a matter of the magistrate getting back to us to decide whether it's going to be with or without
[01:34:12.420 --> 01:34:17.420]  And I'm kind of, I'm fine either way because I still have a couple things in my pocket I can do
[01:34:17.420 --> 01:34:22.420]  Well yeah I was going to say if you don't have the Mike Mears package yet you may want to get that
[01:34:22.420 --> 01:34:30.420]  Because he's already won six cases in federal court against debt collectors and creditors
[01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:34.420]  Yeah that's coming up because I have two FTCPA violations that occurred a couple months ago
[01:34:34.420 --> 01:34:39.420]  Good for you Another alleged creditor so that's another thing
[01:34:39.420 --> 01:34:47.420]  They contacted me after the question, after the inquiry of trying to validate the debt
[01:34:47.420 --> 01:34:49.420]  Right They're not allowed to do that
[01:34:49.420 --> 01:34:55.420]  That's right And they're not allowed to get into your credit report either once you're in litigation with them
[01:34:55.420 --> 01:34:59.420]  So you may want to check that as well Right and that's another violation of a different report
[01:34:59.420 --> 01:35:05.420]  So yeah I heard the Mears episode it was great Let me move on to two other things if that's okay
[01:35:05.420 --> 01:35:10.420]  Sure go ahead One of the things before I get to the main one that just happened today that I'm all excited about
[01:35:10.420 --> 01:35:18.420]  Since it's census time I wanted to let everybody know that there is a religious exemption for taking part in the US census
[01:35:18.420 --> 01:35:25.420]  In my personal experience I was able to avoid the census What statute is that?
[01:35:25.420 --> 01:35:34.420]  In Title 13 I believe it's section 225D is the one that I used and if you use that in conjunction with US versus Seeger
[01:35:34.420 --> 01:35:42.420]  Wait say that again Title 13 section 225D and use that in conjunction with what case?
[01:35:42.420 --> 01:35:52.420]  US versus Seeger S-E-G-E-R S-E-G-E-R? Two E's S-E-E-G-E-R Okay
[01:35:52.420 --> 01:35:57.420]  And I didn't even dig that far because it's not my job to educate these people on their jobs
[01:35:57.420 --> 01:36:04.420]  If they wanted to you know litigate or whatnot then or go any further then I would probably take part in that
[01:36:04.420 --> 01:36:10.420]  But a religious exemption is quite common according to one of the census workers that I spoke to
[01:36:10.420 --> 01:36:14.420]  So that would be an interesting topic for another show
[01:36:14.420 --> 01:36:19.420]  Yeah I wonder how much information you have to give them about yourself to claim the religious exemption though
[01:36:19.420 --> 01:36:24.420]  I gave them none and I told them to get the hell off my property as well Good for you
[01:36:24.420 --> 01:36:30.420]  And probably it will also be a good idea to give these people the public servant questionnaire as well
[01:36:30.420 --> 01:36:40.420]  Okay I'll move on to the third one just to make it quick so I don't take up too much time Go ahead it's fine
[01:36:40.420 --> 01:36:45.420]  I got a traffic ticket for allegedly rolling through a stop sign
[01:36:45.420 --> 01:36:53.420]  And the friendly police officer kindly wrote today's date on it for my court date
[01:36:53.420 --> 01:37:00.420]  Not where if you're aware of this but the courts are not commonly open on Presidents Day
[01:37:00.420 --> 01:37:08.420]  So I showed up for my court date and there was no magistrate or judge there or plaintiff
[01:37:08.420 --> 01:37:16.420]  So I had two witnesses with me so I'm assuming that the matter is probably resolved now
[01:37:16.420 --> 01:37:22.420]  Well wait a minute did it say on or before this date or was there actually a hearing scheduled for today's date?
[01:37:22.420 --> 01:37:28.420]  Today's date was listed on the ticket But do you know if it said on or before?
[01:37:28.420 --> 01:37:34.420]  I'll run up and grab that real quick Cause I have a feeling it probably said on or before
[01:37:34.420 --> 01:37:39.420]  Well I don't think that really matters because if I go on the date then
[01:37:39.420 --> 01:37:45.420]  I think he's right it doesn't matter It turns out to be available between those times doesn't it?
[01:37:45.420 --> 01:37:52.420]  Well the thing is if it said on or before then you could have gone on any day the court was open before today's date
[01:37:52.420 --> 01:37:55.420]  Eddie what do you think about that?
[01:37:55.420 --> 01:38:00.420]  Well I mean what I'm thinking is that if that was the date actually listed on the ticket
[01:38:00.420 --> 01:38:04.420]  Where it says on or before he could have gone any time up to that point
[01:38:04.420 --> 01:38:08.420]  That's what I was saying But they were obligated to be there on that day
[01:38:08.420 --> 01:38:13.420]  Now that's true He could have went any day but he had no duty to go any other day
[01:38:13.420 --> 01:38:18.420]  Right Right because it's an and it's not an or
[01:38:18.420 --> 01:38:24.420]  And what it looks like they even put a time I don't see on or before anywhere on this
[01:38:24.420 --> 01:38:30.420]  But I do see the 2 15 10 with 1 30 p.m. on here
[01:38:30.420 --> 01:38:34.420]  Interesting So you had a specific date and time
[01:38:34.420 --> 01:38:39.420]  So this goes to abuse of process
[01:38:39.420 --> 01:38:45.420]  This won't go to an appearance before the court because actually it's not an appearance before the court
[01:38:45.420 --> 01:38:52.420]  This is an appearance before a magistrate for the purpose of making a probable cause determination
[01:38:52.420 --> 01:38:55.420]  On our way to California He's in Ohio
[01:38:55.420 --> 01:39:02.420]  Or Ohio I'm sorry Ohio oh I don't think you have any law in Ohio do they?
[01:39:02.420 --> 01:39:06.420]  Hardy har Just from all the managers
[01:39:06.420 --> 01:39:10.420]  Well this could go to abuse of process against the officer
[01:39:10.420 --> 01:39:17.420]  Move to disqualify the officer because he committed a crime against you of abuse of process
[01:39:17.420 --> 01:39:20.420]  It's going to be almost the same in every state anyway
[01:39:20.420 --> 01:39:25.420]  Move to disqualify the officer as a witness
[01:39:25.420 --> 01:39:30.420]  Criminal is not a credible witness
[01:39:30.420 --> 01:39:38.420]  Okay I had two other things that regarding this case that I thought I'd bring up that me and a couple of my buddies have been thinking about
[01:39:38.420 --> 01:39:45.420]  One of them is instead of well originally what I was going to do is chicken out and just file a motion to dismiss
[01:39:45.420 --> 01:39:51.420]  For a lack of I can't remember lack of proper process
[01:39:51.420 --> 01:39:54.420]  I can't remember exactly what it is
[01:39:54.420 --> 01:40:00.420]  But I had it written down here but I believe
[01:40:00.420 --> 01:40:02.420]  Is that the term you were looking for
[01:40:02.420 --> 01:40:04.420]  What was that
[01:40:04.420 --> 01:40:09.420]  The subject matter jurisdiction is what he's asking about is that what you're thinking of
[01:40:09.420 --> 01:40:14.420]  I was thinking the fact that they didn't they simply weren't there so
[01:40:14.420 --> 01:40:19.420]  The problem is that's always going to be for a examining trial
[01:40:19.420 --> 01:40:26.420]  And it's not really a court hearing it's a hearing but not before a judge but before a magistrate
[01:40:26.420 --> 01:40:30.420]  Generally when you go there they think they're judges
[01:40:30.420 --> 01:40:35.420]  When I go on a ticket I demand an examining trial
[01:40:35.420 --> 01:40:38.420]  And they never give one
[01:40:38.420 --> 01:40:44.420]  That was the purpose of the order to appear was for an examining trial
[01:40:44.420 --> 01:40:48.420]  I didn't go after them for that
[01:40:48.420 --> 01:40:51.420]  Because they didn't give me an examining trial
[01:40:51.420 --> 01:40:52.420]  Exactly
[01:40:52.420 --> 01:40:57.420]  For finding a probable cause before a magistrate
[01:40:57.420 --> 01:41:00.420]  You have some person accusing you of a crime
[01:41:00.420 --> 01:41:08.420]  Now that accusation has to be brought before a magistrate and a magistrate to examine into the sufficiency of the allegation
[01:41:08.420 --> 01:41:15.420]  And determine whether there is sufficient cause to force you to stand and answer
[01:41:15.420 --> 01:41:16.420]  That hasn't happened
[01:41:16.420 --> 01:41:24.420]  That's supposed to happen before you ever even get in front of a judge
[01:41:24.420 --> 01:41:33.420]  Now judges are also magistrates but for the purpose of these examining trial hearings the judge is acting as a magistrate not as a judge
[01:41:33.420 --> 01:41:39.420]  There has to be a finding of probable cause before the trial can even begin
[01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:42.420]  Before the prosecutorial process can really even begin
[01:41:42.420 --> 01:41:46.420]  Well actually the prosecution begins when you get the ticket
[01:41:46.420 --> 01:41:52.420]  But as far as being prosecuted in court, as far as a case before the court
[01:41:52.420 --> 01:41:59.420]  The magistrate has to transfer jurisdiction over the matter to the court, to a judge
[01:41:59.420 --> 01:42:02.420]  And that's what the examining trial is for
[01:42:02.420 --> 01:42:07.420]  Yes, since they didn't give me an examining trial that's the abusive process, correct?
[01:42:07.420 --> 01:42:12.420]  No, abusive process is the order you'd come to court when they didn't intend to be there
[01:42:12.420 --> 01:42:13.420]  Right
[01:42:13.420 --> 01:42:14.420]  Okay
[01:42:14.420 --> 01:42:18.420]  And this one would be official oppression denying an examining trial
[01:42:18.420 --> 01:42:22.420]  If they do it out of hand, they're like they do everywhere else
[01:42:22.420 --> 01:42:29.420]  You see the citation gives the magistrate jurisdiction not the court
[01:42:29.420 --> 01:42:36.420]  Only the magistrate has jurisdiction by a citation when there was no warrant issued
[01:42:36.420 --> 01:42:37.420]  I think there was
[01:42:37.420 --> 01:42:42.420]  The magistrate has to make a determination of probable cause then issue a warrant
[01:42:42.420 --> 01:42:45.420]  And it's the warrant that gives the state jurisdiction
[01:42:45.420 --> 01:42:46.420]  Okay
[01:42:46.420 --> 01:42:49.420]  They're just skipping over that minor little annoyance
[01:42:49.420 --> 01:42:52.420]  Yeah, there's no warrant when you get pulled over for a traffic ticket
[01:42:52.420 --> 01:42:56.420]  Unless they're pulling you over because you have a warrant
[01:42:56.420 --> 01:43:01.420]  I mean if they're just pulling you over for a traffic infringement, there's no warrant
[01:43:01.420 --> 01:43:03.420]  And even if there is a warrant
[01:43:03.420 --> 01:43:05.420]  I think there might be one after tomorrow
[01:43:05.420 --> 01:43:12.420]  Yeah, but the point is everything that happened up until this point has nothing to do with the warrant
[01:43:12.420 --> 01:43:16.420]  Yeah, even if there was a pre-existing warrant
[01:43:16.420 --> 01:43:23.420]  If there was a warrant out there for your arrest, the warrant had to have been secured ex parte
[01:43:23.420 --> 01:43:27.420]  Because if you were standing before the magistrate, they arrested you immediately
[01:43:27.420 --> 01:43:33.420]  So they have to take you before the magistrate anyway to hold another examining trial with you present
[01:43:33.420 --> 01:43:36.420]  Yeah, for the warrant
[01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:41.420]  Okay, did you get your questions answered, Todd, or do you need to hold over to the other side?
[01:43:41.420 --> 01:43:43.420]  If I can hold over, I'll just be a little bit more
[01:43:43.420 --> 01:43:44.420]  Okay, sure
[01:43:44.420 --> 01:43:47.420]  All right, and then we'll go to the next callers in this final segment
[01:43:47.420 --> 01:43:48.420]  This is the rule of law
[01:43:48.420 --> 01:44:03.420]  We'll be right back
[01:44:18.420 --> 01:44:20.420]  We'll be right back
[01:44:48.420 --> 01:44:52.420]  To learn how to stop debt collectors now
[01:45:18.420 --> 01:45:46.420]  Okay, we know Jowell
[01:45:46.420 --> 01:45:52.420]  He will never fail to tip back the scales and take back the scales for that matter
[01:45:52.420 --> 01:45:55.420]  from these corrupt politicians and these corrupt judges
[01:45:55.420 --> 01:45:58.420]  All right, we're speaking with Todd in Ohio
[01:45:58.420 --> 01:46:01.420]  Okay, Todd, go ahead, you said you had one other thing?
[01:46:01.420 --> 01:46:06.420]  Yeah, I didn't mention that the fact that the ticket was for the 15th
[01:46:06.420 --> 01:46:10.420]  The officer actually gave me a phone call and left me a message saying it was the 16th
[01:46:10.420 --> 01:46:13.420]  I don't believe that's proper notification
[01:46:13.420 --> 01:46:16.420]  I don't think so
[01:46:16.420 --> 01:46:19.420]  And how do you get your phone number anyway?
[01:46:19.420 --> 01:46:21.420]  I guess it was written on the ticket
[01:46:21.420 --> 01:46:27.420]  You have to give officers your phone number?
[01:46:27.420 --> 01:46:31.420]  Yeah, they usually ask for one when they write you a ticket, usually
[01:46:31.420 --> 01:46:34.420]  Wow, that's different, I've never been asked for a phone number
[01:46:34.420 --> 01:46:37.420]  They asked me and I said just use jungle drums, I'll hear you
[01:46:37.420 --> 01:46:39.420]  I wouldn't give my phone number out
[01:46:39.420 --> 01:46:44.420]  Here's the way that I was going to proceed with it and then critique as you wish
[01:46:44.420 --> 01:46:47.420]  I was going to do nothing and wait for them to get the warrant
[01:46:47.420 --> 01:46:50.420]  and then go ahead and arrest me and then that would be false imprisonment
[01:46:50.420 --> 01:46:53.420]  because I thought that the matter was already finished
[01:46:53.420 --> 01:46:57.420]  because of the fact that they weren't there for the trial
[01:46:57.420 --> 01:47:00.420]  I mean, they weren't there for the examining hearing
[01:47:00.420 --> 01:47:02.420]  That was the impression that I was under
[01:47:02.420 --> 01:47:06.420]  And then another thing I was going to do is I was going to go in the records request
[01:47:06.420 --> 01:47:10.420]  and see if the officer changed the ticket
[01:47:10.420 --> 01:47:14.420]  because then you would be tampering with the document
[01:47:14.420 --> 01:47:16.420]  and I don't think he's allowed to do that
[01:47:16.420 --> 01:47:18.420]  Absolutely, good man
[01:47:18.420 --> 01:47:21.420]  You're paying attention to the details
[01:47:21.420 --> 01:47:23.420]  and that's how we hammer them
[01:47:23.420 --> 01:47:25.420]  Well, what do you guys think about this letting yourself get arrested?
[01:47:25.420 --> 01:47:27.420]  I would not let myself get arrested
[01:47:27.420 --> 01:47:30.420]  My liberty means too much to me
[01:47:30.420 --> 01:47:35.420]  If you don't mind sitting in jail for a while or missing work or whatever
[01:47:35.420 --> 01:47:38.420]  but again, you know, goes to picking your battles
[01:47:38.420 --> 01:47:41.420]  I mean, me, I'm a 110-pound woman, I'm not going to go to jail
[01:47:41.420 --> 01:47:43.420]  I will do whatever I need to do to stay out of jail
[01:47:43.420 --> 01:47:47.420]  But if you don't care, then I don't know, go for it, buddy
[01:47:47.420 --> 01:47:48.420]  It's all about different strategies
[01:47:48.420 --> 01:47:50.420]  What do you all think, Eddie, Randy?
[01:47:50.420 --> 01:47:53.420]  It would give you a really good claim against them
[01:47:53.420 --> 01:47:57.420]  Yeah, I'm thinking simply I'd probably be all right
[01:47:57.420 --> 01:48:02.420]  Well, okay, there's one thing you need to consider though, okay?
[01:48:02.420 --> 01:48:07.420]  The plan, as attractive as it looks, will only do you any good
[01:48:07.420 --> 01:48:10.420]  if they're willing to play by the rules that bind them
[01:48:10.420 --> 01:48:13.420]  That's also the problem
[01:48:13.420 --> 01:48:14.420]  Okay
[01:48:14.420 --> 01:48:16.420]  If they were willing to do that to begin with,
[01:48:16.420 --> 01:48:19.420]  you wouldn't be in the situation you're in, right?
[01:48:19.420 --> 01:48:20.420]  Yes, that's true
[01:48:20.420 --> 01:48:23.420]  Have you ever gone to jail, Todd?
[01:48:23.420 --> 01:48:27.420]  Just overnight for curfew when I was 16
[01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:30.420]  Well, I mean, for me, nothing is more important than my liberty
[01:48:30.420 --> 01:48:33.420]  other than my very life itself and my health
[01:48:33.420 --> 01:48:35.420]  You know, it sounds like sometimes things like this
[01:48:35.420 --> 01:48:36.420]  may sound like a good strategy,
[01:48:36.420 --> 01:48:39.420]  but once you get in there behind bars, it's not so pretty
[01:48:39.420 --> 01:48:42.420]  Yeah, especially since I'm somewhat of a gumshoe at this
[01:48:42.420 --> 01:48:44.420]  Yeah, and being 16, you're probably in juvie,
[01:48:44.420 --> 01:48:47.420]  which is going to be way different from being in real jail
[01:48:47.420 --> 01:48:48.420]  Oh, no, this is an overnight city prison
[01:48:48.420 --> 01:48:49.420]  Okay, all right
[01:48:49.420 --> 01:48:52.420]  Oh, I've been to jail a lot of times
[01:48:52.420 --> 01:48:55.420]  Well, not a lot of times, a few times
[01:48:55.420 --> 01:49:01.420]  And frankly, I have never had anyone in jail ever mess with me
[01:49:01.420 --> 01:49:05.420]  The crap you see on TV is not that way
[01:49:05.420 --> 01:49:08.420]  Well, I'm sure things like that more go down in a prison,
[01:49:08.420 --> 01:49:10.420]  like a state prison or a federal penitentiary,
[01:49:10.420 --> 01:49:15.420]  but what can Todd do other than letting himself get arrested
[01:49:15.420 --> 01:49:17.420]  and having a warrant issued?
[01:49:17.420 --> 01:49:24.420]  I would go to court tomorrow and ask the judge to arrest the police officer
[01:49:24.420 --> 01:49:27.420]  and he's going to say, well, he made a mistake
[01:49:27.420 --> 01:49:32.420]  Yeah, well, I made a mistake too, so it's still a crime
[01:49:32.420 --> 01:49:35.420]  Abuse of process is abuse of process
[01:49:35.420 --> 01:49:37.420]  and ask him to arrest the officer
[01:49:37.420 --> 01:49:40.420]  and dismiss the charge because they have no credibility
[01:49:40.420 --> 01:49:43.420]  Should he have a criminal complaint prepared for abuse of process?
[01:49:43.420 --> 01:49:48.420]  I would, it would be best to have a criminal complaint prepared against the officer
[01:49:48.420 --> 01:49:53.420]  claiming that he intentionally ordered you to be there on this day just to punish you
[01:49:53.420 --> 01:49:58.420]  So that's pre-conviction punishment and it's forbidden by statute
[01:49:58.420 --> 01:50:01.420]  And they're going to say, well, he just made a mistake
[01:50:01.420 --> 01:50:06.420]  And you get to tell them that's not a defense to prosecution
[01:50:06.420 --> 01:50:08.420]  Sorry, Bubba
[01:50:08.420 --> 01:50:09.420]  That's right
[01:50:09.420 --> 01:50:12.420]  Yeah, the prosecution has all the burden, that's for sure
[01:50:12.420 --> 01:50:17.420]  If that's the argument you would allow me to use in my defense, I don't think so
[01:50:17.420 --> 01:50:21.420]  Okay, Todd
[01:50:21.420 --> 01:50:23.420]  All right, I think we lost him
[01:50:23.420 --> 01:50:27.420]  Okay, we're going to go now to Clayton from Texas
[01:50:27.420 --> 01:50:29.420]  Clayton, thanks for calling in
[01:50:29.420 --> 01:50:31.420]  What's on your mind tonight? What's your question?
[01:50:31.420 --> 01:50:37.420]  Well, the question has to do with minor children who are about to be upon the roadways
[01:50:37.420 --> 01:50:42.420]  I have two at home and we've been, we homeschool, we've been teaching them about
[01:50:42.420 --> 01:50:47.420]  the right to travel history in the United States, the transportation so that it stands now
[01:50:47.420 --> 01:50:52.420]  And I've been telling my youngest boy that I'm not really going to force him to get a driver's license
[01:50:52.420 --> 01:50:58.420]  Which would bring us to the point of if he is cited for some reason
[01:50:58.420 --> 01:51:04.420]  Do you know of or have any expertise or references to the ability of the parents
[01:51:04.420 --> 01:51:08.420]  to stand up for the child conclusively in front of a court
[01:51:08.420 --> 01:51:11.420]  because you know the minor child is not going to have the mental capacity
[01:51:11.420 --> 01:51:15.420]  to deal with the legal acrobatics from the judge and the prosecutor
[01:51:15.420 --> 01:51:17.420]  And that's exactly what they're going to count on
[01:51:17.420 --> 01:51:22.420]  No, they will not let you stand as their representative in court
[01:51:22.420 --> 01:51:25.420]  They'll make you be present because they're a minor
[01:51:25.420 --> 01:51:28.420]  but they will not let you speak on their behalf
[01:51:28.420 --> 01:51:30.420]  I see
[01:51:30.420 --> 01:51:36.420]  That was the other thing we had to consider if we were going to not push the issue of the driver's license
[01:51:36.420 --> 01:51:42.420]  The best thing is you get them involved in things that make them comfortable doing public speaking
[01:51:42.420 --> 01:51:44.420]  and thinking on their feet
[01:51:44.420 --> 01:51:50.420]  That will help them beyond anything else you can imagine
[01:51:50.420 --> 01:51:52.420]  Very good
[01:51:52.420 --> 01:51:55.420]  All right, thanks for all your information has been very informative
[01:51:55.420 --> 01:51:59.420]  There is one thing you can do when you go to court with your children
[01:51:59.420 --> 01:52:07.420]  Is you can move against the court for the court acting outside law
[01:52:07.420 --> 01:52:11.420]  You go over to the bailiff and ask the bailiff to arrest the judge
[01:52:11.420 --> 01:52:12.420]  Ah, okay
[01:52:12.420 --> 01:52:20.420]  Stand as a friend of the court, amicus curiae, and demand that the court stand down
[01:52:20.420 --> 01:52:24.420]  If you have to come in with the law they're violating
[01:52:24.420 --> 01:52:27.420]  Once you've got that, then you demand they stand down
[01:52:27.420 --> 01:52:31.420]  They'll refuse, then you run the process on them
[01:52:31.420 --> 01:52:34.420]  You ask the bailiff to arrest the judge, he refuses
[01:52:34.420 --> 01:52:37.420]  You file criminal charges against the bailiff
[01:52:37.420 --> 01:52:39.420]  File it with the prosecutor, he'll refuse to take it
[01:52:39.420 --> 01:52:41.420]  You file against the prosecutor
[01:52:41.420 --> 01:52:47.420]  In Texas we have a special statute that gives the prosecutor no discretion
[01:52:47.420 --> 01:52:49.420]  But you don't need it
[01:52:49.420 --> 01:52:55.420]  If the prosecutor refuses to prosecute, you charge him with shielding from prosecution or obstruction of justice
[01:52:55.420 --> 01:52:58.420]  You'll have one of those charges
[01:52:58.420 --> 01:53:02.420]  And then you go to the district judge and ask him to arrest both of them
[01:53:02.420 --> 01:53:05.420]  Just make the rounds and tie everybody up
[01:53:05.420 --> 01:53:09.420]  Get charges against them, then start claiming against their bonds
[01:53:09.420 --> 01:53:15.420]  They're going to want nothing more than to be rid of you
[01:53:15.420 --> 01:53:16.420]  And we need to do that
[01:53:16.420 --> 01:53:20.420]  We need them to find out that we can cause them more grief than they can deal with
[01:53:20.420 --> 01:53:22.420]  Yeah
[01:53:22.420 --> 01:53:28.420]  Well, in conjunction with the, and I don't know how much you know about the
[01:53:28.420 --> 01:53:32.420]  The UCC-1 that was on like agenda 21
[01:53:32.420 --> 01:53:36.420]  And how that would affect them being brought as minor children
[01:53:36.420 --> 01:53:42.420]  But as the strongman type issue
[01:53:42.420 --> 01:53:46.420]  Well, there's a lot you can do to protect the children without speaking for them in court
[01:53:46.420 --> 01:53:48.420]  Okay
[01:53:48.420 --> 01:53:53.420]  You can be a real pain in the neck
[01:53:53.420 --> 01:53:54.420]  Okay, I appreciate it
[01:53:54.420 --> 01:53:56.420]  Alright, thanks Clayton
[01:53:56.420 --> 01:54:01.420]  Okay, we're going to go now to Gail in Minnesota
[01:54:01.420 --> 01:54:03.420]  Okay, Gail, we got about four minutes
[01:54:03.420 --> 01:54:05.420]  What's on your minds?
[01:54:05.420 --> 01:54:07.420]  Great, thanks for taking my call
[01:54:07.420 --> 01:54:10.420]  I go to court tomorrow in the divorce court for
[01:54:10.420 --> 01:54:13.420]  I'm finally getting heard before the judge for the
[01:54:13.420 --> 01:54:16.420]  With my petition to show cause for a contempt of court
[01:54:16.420 --> 01:54:19.420]  While my husband hasn't been held in contempt of court
[01:54:19.420 --> 01:54:23.420]  And this is my third filing and the judge has refused to have the filings
[01:54:23.420 --> 01:54:30.420]  So I just wanted to run this by you guys and see if you had any last minute tips of what I should say or do
[01:54:30.420 --> 01:54:32.420]  But what I'm hitting off the bat is
[01:54:32.420 --> 01:54:36.420]  I think I'm going to open up with my concern being a right to be heard
[01:54:36.420 --> 01:54:42.420]  And a violation of the judicial code of conduct rule 2.6A that ensures the right to be heard
[01:54:42.420 --> 01:54:45.420]  This being my third filing and petition to show cause
[01:54:45.420 --> 01:54:52.420]  And I think I'm going to cite paper versus NELO on it about unauthorized deprivation
[01:54:52.420 --> 01:54:59.420]  And then go into the violations of my husband being five months behind on child support and
[01:54:59.420 --> 01:55:04.420]  Falsal maintenance on the discovery violations on court
[01:55:04.420 --> 01:55:05.420]  These are all court ordered
[01:55:05.420 --> 01:55:08.420]  The final custody order never having been signed since August
[01:55:08.420 --> 01:55:12.420]  The court ordered classes, the court ordered him to take on
[01:55:12.420 --> 01:55:17.420]  Abuse and domestic violence and anger and parenting not being done
[01:55:17.420 --> 01:55:21.420]  One, he turned in one 12 hour certificate of parenting
[01:55:21.420 --> 01:55:23.420]  He had the nerve to turn that in
[01:55:23.420 --> 01:55:29.420]  Thinking he had accomplished something when he's five months behind in child support
[01:55:29.420 --> 01:55:34.420]  I mean I'm trying to point out to the courts that the classes are a joke
[01:55:34.420 --> 01:55:38.420]  What they are is a fictitious appearance of having accomplished something
[01:55:38.420 --> 01:55:42.420]  Especially with a sociopath when he will turn in the certificate
[01:55:42.420 --> 01:55:46.420]  And he will do the greater violation of no money for the children
[01:55:46.420 --> 01:55:48.420]  So if you guys have any
[01:55:48.420 --> 01:55:54.420]  And I'm requesting an emergency restraining order to protect the marital assets
[01:55:54.420 --> 01:55:58.420]  Against all these other court cases that are cropping up where he's trying to
[01:55:58.420 --> 01:56:03.420]  Very dissect the body of our businesses because he's pulled all the money out
[01:56:03.420 --> 01:56:07.420]  And I have requested again a grand jury investigation
[01:56:07.420 --> 01:56:09.420]  So these are all the things that are in my motion
[01:56:09.420 --> 01:56:14.420]  I turned in a 240 page motion last Friday
[01:56:14.420 --> 01:56:18.420]  There was a page motion and 232 pages of exhibits
[01:56:18.420 --> 01:56:20.420]  So there will be fireworks tomorrow
[01:56:20.420 --> 01:56:25.420]  But if you have any quick, you know, pointers I'd be so thankful
[01:56:25.420 --> 01:56:29.420]  Well, first thing I would ask is this judge the same judge that has been
[01:56:29.420 --> 01:56:32.420]  Hampering you the entire time?
[01:56:32.420 --> 01:56:34.420]  Yes
[01:56:34.420 --> 01:56:36.420]  Then why are you filing them with him?
[01:56:36.420 --> 01:56:40.420]  Why don't you file them with the head judge and have him disqualified
[01:56:40.420 --> 01:56:45.420]  Because of his failure to hold a contempt hearing based upon previous orders
[01:56:45.420 --> 01:56:48.420]  That haven't been fulfilled?
[01:56:48.420 --> 01:56:53.420]  The only reason that I'm hesitating is because the custody order is hanging out in limbo
[01:56:53.420 --> 01:56:55.420]  And I'm petrified
[01:56:55.420 --> 01:56:57.420]  This judge has shown that he doesn't
[01:56:57.420 --> 01:57:02.420]  He's already said in one temporary order that it would not be detrimental to the children
[01:57:02.420 --> 01:57:05.420]  For me to have sole custody, physical and legal
[01:57:05.420 --> 01:57:08.420]  But it would be detrimental if my husband had it
[01:57:08.420 --> 01:57:10.420]  And I don't want to reinvent the wheel
[01:57:10.420 --> 01:57:12.420]  I don't have the final order
[01:57:12.420 --> 01:57:17.420]  But I have the temporary with it saying that I have temporary, sole, legal and physical
[01:57:17.420 --> 01:57:20.420]  And that it would be detrimental for him to have the kids
[01:57:20.420 --> 01:57:24.420]  So I'm trying to wait before, you know, get the final custody order
[01:57:24.420 --> 01:57:26.420]  Before I really move against this judge
[01:57:26.420 --> 01:57:30.420]  Yeah, but that may be what he's counting on, Gail
[01:57:30.420 --> 01:57:34.420]  She needs to give him an opportunity to give her something
[01:57:34.420 --> 01:57:38.420]  And tomorrow's an opportunity, she's been five months without support
[01:57:38.420 --> 01:57:40.420]  He may order support tomorrow
[01:57:40.420 --> 01:57:43.420]  If he doesn't, two days won't make much difference
[01:57:43.420 --> 01:57:47.420]  Yeah, and I'd press him on the final order as well then
[01:57:47.420 --> 01:57:50.420]  While you're doing that would be the other thing
[01:57:50.420 --> 01:57:53.420]  Yeah, I've got the list, I'm going right down the list
[01:57:53.420 --> 01:57:55.420]  I'm pressing for salsa maintenance
[01:57:55.420 --> 01:58:00.420]  I've got show cause contempt to court for the child support for the salsa maintenance
[01:58:00.420 --> 01:58:01.420]  Okay, we're out of time, Gail
[01:58:01.420 --> 01:58:08.420]  Yeah, all that sounds good, Gail, but I'd go ahead and file a petition of enforcement on the final order
[01:58:08.420 --> 01:58:10.420]  Okay
[01:58:10.420 --> 01:58:12.420]  Motion to compel
[01:58:12.420 --> 01:58:13.420]  Okay, thank you, Gail
[01:58:13.420 --> 01:58:14.420]  Thanks, Gail
[01:58:14.420 --> 01:58:15.420]  Sorry we're out of time
[01:58:15.420 --> 01:58:16.420]  Get him
[01:58:16.420 --> 01:58:17.420]  Go get him
[01:58:17.420 --> 01:58:21.420]  All right, this is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens
[01:58:21.420 --> 01:58:24.420]  We will be back on Thursday night, 8 p.m. Central
[01:58:24.420 --> 01:58:28.420]  Tomorrow night is Tom Kiley, I will report radio at 6
[01:58:28.420 --> 01:58:31.420]  And Agenda 21 Talk at 8
[01:58:31.420 --> 01:58:41.420]  If you guys have questions about UCC, straw man issues, how to beat locals, local governments, how to beat town hall
[01:58:41.420 --> 01:58:45.420]  They're the ones, local city ordinances, troubles like that
[01:58:45.420 --> 01:58:47.420]  Call Agenda 21 Talk
[01:58:47.420 --> 01:58:59.420]  We will see you guys on Thursday night
[01:59:17.420 --> 01:59:20.420]  I'm so dangerous
[01:59:20.420 --> 01:59:21.420]  Watch my side
[01:59:21.420 --> 01:59:22.420]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:22.420 --> 01:59:25.420]  If you eat that ball
[01:59:25.420 --> 01:59:28.420]  If you eat that food
[01:59:28.420 --> 01:59:31.420]  If you drink that soup
[01:59:31.420 --> 01:59:35.420]  You better get in the car
[01:59:35.420 --> 01:59:38.420]  I'm so dangerous
[01:59:38.420 --> 01:59:39.420]  Watch my side
[01:59:39.420 --> 01:59:41.420]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:41.420 --> 01:59:45.420]  If you eat that ball
[01:59:45.420 --> 01:59:51.420]  You better get in the car