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[00:05.300 --> 00:09.680]  University of Illinois Professor Francis Boyle has filed a complaint with the prosecutor
[00:09.680 --> 00:15.160]  for the International Criminal Court in The Hague against U.S. citizens George W. Bush,
[00:15.160 --> 00:21.160]  Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzalez for
[00:21.160 --> 00:28.000]  their criminal policy and practice of extraordinary rendition perpetrated upon 100 human beings.
[00:28.000 --> 00:32.960]  Boyle is asserting that the criminal policy and practice by the accused constitute crimes
[00:32.960 --> 00:38.800]  against humanity in violation of the Roman statute establishing the ICC.
[00:38.800 --> 00:45.760]  The Times of London says the UN's 2007 climate change report predicting that Himalayan glaciers
[00:45.760 --> 00:50.200]  could melt by 2035 was based on speculation.
[00:50.200 --> 00:57.840]  In 1999, climatologist Saeed Hasnain speculated in the magazine The New Scientist that Himalayan
[00:57.840 --> 01:02.040]  glaciers would vanish within 40 years as a result of global warming.
[01:02.040 --> 01:07.880]  The unsubstantiated report subsequently helped secure a Nobel Prize for the Intergovernmental
[01:07.880 --> 01:12.680]  Panel on Climate Change.
[01:12.680 --> 01:18.880]  Representative Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a coup against the government
[01:18.880 --> 01:22.320]  and the intelligence agency needs to be taken out.
[01:22.320 --> 01:28.240]  Speaking to like-minded libertarians last weekend, Paul said, the CIA runs the military.
[01:28.240 --> 01:31.480]  They're the ones who are lobbing missiles and bombs on countries.
[01:31.480 --> 01:33.840]  They are a government unto themselves.
[01:33.840 --> 01:36.880]  They're in the drug business and they take out dictators.
[01:36.880 --> 01:42.920]  Paul was referring to reports the CIA is deeply involved in airstrikes against al-Qaeda targets
[01:42.920 --> 01:44.960]  in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
[01:44.960 --> 01:49.240]  The suicide bombing last year took the lives of seven CIA operatives.
[01:49.240 --> 01:53.960]  The event highlighted the CIA's deep involvement in the war effort.
[01:53.960 --> 01:58.920]  Paul's reference to the CIA being in the drug business referred to allegations that cocaine
[01:58.920 --> 02:07.200]  from Nicaragua in the 1980s made its way to the streets of Los Angeles via the CIA.
[02:07.200 --> 02:13.880]  A highly anticipated report on the FBI's illegal collection of phone records was issued Wednesday.
[02:13.880 --> 02:19.200]  The Justice Department Inspector General declared the crimes an egregious breakdown of the system
[02:19.200 --> 02:23.920]  involving startling methods of violating privacy laws.
[02:23.920 --> 02:30.680]  The report detailed hundreds of FBI demands for phone records between 2002 and 2006 in
[02:30.680 --> 02:36.880]  which agents claimed phony terrorism emergencies to circumvent the need for subpoenas.
[02:36.880 --> 02:42.840]  In many cases, the FBI made up claims of an ongoing investigation and in several cases,
[02:42.840 --> 02:48.100]  they lied to courts about where the data obtained from illegal searches came from.
[02:48.100 --> 02:53.160]  The problem was compounded by the fact that three major telecom companies had offices
[02:53.160 --> 02:58.600]  of the FBI's communications analysis unit and there was virtually no oversight over
[02:58.600 --> 03:00.600]  actions between them and the FBI.
[03:00.600 --> 03:08.600]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
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[06:04.600 --> 06:06.560]  ن
[06:06.560 --> 06:13.440]  discuss a situation where she was falsely arrested, but before that, and of course,
[06:13.440 --> 06:18.640]  Kathryn Bleich, brand new show, her and John Bush, Rise Up Radio, Monday, Wednesdays and
[06:18.640 --> 06:21.760]  Fridays, 7 to 10 a.m. Central Time.
[06:21.760 --> 06:30.900]  But now we have their very good friend Brooke Kelly, another activist, liberty-minded lady.
[06:30.900 --> 06:39.680]  Her website is simplyseekingeden.com and she was arrested at an Obama event.
[06:39.680 --> 06:44.040]  Apparently she was speaking out against the tyranny using a megaphone and the police came
[06:44.040 --> 06:49.440]  and surrounded her and they were just going to ask her to leave, but then the Secret Service
[06:49.440 --> 06:52.040]  made the police arrest her anyway.
[06:52.040 --> 06:56.960]  Subsequently, the charges were dismissed and now she wants to go back after him.
[06:56.960 --> 07:01.080]  I'm kind of summarizing the story here, but I want her to tell all the details.
[07:01.080 --> 07:03.160]  Brooke, thank you for joining us tonight.
[07:03.160 --> 07:05.320]  Hey, thank you for having me.
[07:05.320 --> 07:07.920]  All right, so start from the beginning.
[07:07.920 --> 07:13.480]  Where was this event and what were you doing and what happened here?
[07:13.480 --> 07:19.520]  It happened in New Orleans in October of this past year.
[07:19.520 --> 07:23.840]  It was the grand finale of Freedom Ride that I was doing last summer where I would drive
[07:23.840 --> 07:28.120]  around the country and do social demonstrations at every major stop.
[07:28.120 --> 07:34.600]  So when I heard on the radio, which New Orleans is our final last stop, and I heard that Obama
[07:34.600 --> 07:39.760]  was coming for a town hall meeting, I was more than stoked to get a bunch of activists
[07:39.760 --> 07:47.480]  together to go out and try to talk to these Obama bots, as they're sometimes called, about
[07:47.480 --> 07:54.080]  saying that he is not a god and he is not a superhero and he is actually controlled
[07:54.080 --> 07:57.400]  by a lot of other people that are behind the scenes.
[07:57.400 --> 08:04.640]  Well, basically, we were just saying that we're anti-bailout, anti-war and anti-overlegislation,
[08:04.640 --> 08:08.520]  and people just hated us and were yelling at us.
[08:08.520 --> 08:13.920]  And they kept pushing us back and back and back, further and further away from where
[08:13.920 --> 08:17.360]  Obama was speaking, even though nothing was happening.
[08:17.360 --> 08:21.600]  There wasn't any violence or any reason to push us back, but they kept doing it.
[08:21.600 --> 08:27.680]  And finally, they told everybody that they had to go stand behind a barricade, which
[08:27.680 --> 08:30.800]  was, there were three sides to it.
[08:30.800 --> 08:31.800]  Now, wait a minute.
[08:31.800 --> 08:32.800]  Who is they?
[08:32.800 --> 08:34.600]  The Secret Service or the police?
[08:34.600 --> 08:43.120]  Okay, all of the people who came to show their support for Obama were standing around, like
[08:43.120 --> 08:47.800]  rallying around, yelling and all excited that he was in town and everything and basically
[08:47.800 --> 08:50.200]  just making a party out of it.
[08:50.200 --> 08:51.200]  And they weren't even protesting.
[08:51.200 --> 08:54.440]  It was me and my friends who were protesting.
[08:54.440 --> 09:03.920]  And I guess Secret Service gave the orders, but the New Orleans police came and had tried
[09:03.920 --> 09:08.960]  to get everybody to go stand behind a barricade, which most people did.
[09:08.960 --> 09:11.680]  The people who were speaking out against Obama, that is.
[09:11.680 --> 09:12.680]  No, ma'am.
[09:12.680 --> 09:15.240]  The people who were supporting him.
[09:15.240 --> 09:21.400]  And I was there with a megaphone going, do you guys realize what's going on?
[09:21.400 --> 09:22.400]  Where is your president now?
[09:22.400 --> 09:26.800]  He's having you stand behind a barricade like you're some kind of threat to society when
[09:26.800 --> 09:32.520]  y'all are here to support him and everybody's just happy and skipping on over there behind
[09:32.520 --> 09:33.520]  the barricade.
[09:33.520 --> 09:34.520]  Oh, wow.
[09:34.520 --> 09:35.520]  Okay, continue.
[09:35.520 --> 09:43.560]  So me and my friends refused to go behind the barricade and then there was a confrontation
[09:43.560 --> 09:52.120]  between us, some Liberty kids and the cops who informed us that they didn't have a problem
[09:52.120 --> 09:57.800]  whatsoever with us being there, but that they were simply carrying out an order at the command
[09:57.800 --> 09:58.800]  of the Secret Service.
[09:58.800 --> 10:00.800]  And that's what they were coming to us with.
[10:00.800 --> 10:01.800]  Well, I'm sorry.
[10:01.800 --> 10:02.800]  It's not us.
[10:02.800 --> 10:03.800]  Look, it's not us.
[10:03.800 --> 10:04.800]  Don't hate us.
[10:04.800 --> 10:05.800]  You know, it's the Secret Service.
[10:05.800 --> 10:06.800]  So we have to.
[10:06.800 --> 10:10.800]  And I told him, you took an oath to uphold the constitution.
[10:10.800 --> 10:13.080]  You're clearly not doing that today.
[10:13.080 --> 10:14.080]  And why is that?
[10:14.080 --> 10:17.120]  And I was like, is this a constitutional free zone?
[10:17.120 --> 10:19.120]  And he's like, this is not negotiable.
[10:19.120 --> 10:21.880]  The Secret Service said that y'all need to be behind a barricade.
[10:21.880 --> 10:23.120]  If not, you have to leave.
[10:23.120 --> 10:27.800]  And I was like, but you can't ask me to leave, that's unconstitutional.
[10:27.800 --> 10:30.880]  And he was like, well, that's the situation and that's your options.
[10:30.880 --> 10:35.520]  So we were kind of standing off to the side so that we were not barricaded in, but we
[10:35.520 --> 10:37.600]  were still pushed way far back.
[10:37.600 --> 10:43.160]  And we took it upon ourselves to leave that area and take a whole totally different route.
[10:43.160 --> 10:48.560]  And we found that there was a whole group of other Obama supporters who were much, much
[10:48.560 --> 10:50.320]  closer to where he was speaking.
[10:50.320 --> 10:53.400]  And the whole thing, it just didn't make sense because they're saying it's a high security
[10:53.400 --> 10:58.180]  area, but yet people are walking in and out of the area like, you know, like just any
[10:58.180 --> 10:59.180]  other day.
[10:59.180 --> 11:03.480]  So we went up and with the bullhorn and we were speaking to this other group and they
[11:03.480 --> 11:05.280]  were like, you have to leave.
[11:05.280 --> 11:08.440]  And when they said at that time, I was like, well, let's just go because I saw that the
[11:08.440 --> 11:10.680]  Secret Service was there.
[11:10.680 --> 11:16.280]  And so we turned around to leave the first time they asked us to leave that area and
[11:16.280 --> 11:22.960]  stopping only shortly to look at the incoming helicopter, which we suppose is Obama.
[11:22.960 --> 11:29.120]  And we turned out to go and the cop was like, chasing us down, running after us and was
[11:29.120 --> 11:30.120]  like, wait, wait.
[11:30.120 --> 11:31.120]  And he was like, no, hold on.
[11:31.120 --> 11:32.120]  And he caught up to us.
[11:32.120 --> 11:33.120]  And I turned around and I was like, what?
[11:33.120 --> 11:34.120]  And he was like, you're under arrest.
[11:34.120 --> 11:35.120]  Wait a minute.
[11:35.120 --> 11:40.720]  You guys were leaving as you were asked to do.
[11:40.720 --> 11:43.520]  And then they went chasing after you.
[11:43.520 --> 11:44.520]  Yes.
[11:44.520 --> 11:47.320]  Like running after us to grab us.
[11:47.320 --> 11:49.320]  Wait, wait, hold on.
[11:49.320 --> 11:50.320]  Wait.
[11:50.320 --> 11:53.320]  Oh, oh my goodness.
[11:53.320 --> 11:54.400]  Okay.
[11:54.400 --> 11:55.400]  And I told him that.
[11:55.400 --> 11:57.400]  I was like, you told me to leave.
[11:57.400 --> 12:02.240]  Here I am walking away at a good distance away, actually.
[12:02.240 --> 12:04.240]  I mean, I was like, what, what is this?
[12:04.240 --> 12:06.600]  How can you just arrest me for that?
[12:06.600 --> 12:08.640]  And they're like, oh, don't worry about it.
[12:08.640 --> 12:10.440]  We'll talk about it later or whatever.
[12:10.440 --> 12:12.800]  But I was the only one that they arrested.
[12:12.800 --> 12:15.120]  My other friend did have a bullhorn too.
[12:15.120 --> 12:20.360]  And my other friends had cameras, but nobody was quite as loud as I was that day.
[12:20.360 --> 12:25.920]  So I guess they just went after the person that they thought was like enemy number one.
[12:25.920 --> 12:30.320]  So did they admit that the Secret Service told them to go arrest you?
[12:30.320 --> 12:35.240]  All of the cops were like joking with me and like asking me what I was doing.
[12:35.240 --> 12:38.520]  When I told them, they were like, yeah, we hate the bailouts too.
[12:38.520 --> 12:43.960]  All of the cops, save for one, liked and agreed with what I was doing.
[12:43.960 --> 12:49.560]  And this is UNO police, by the way, the campus cops, all of them were cool with me.
[12:49.560 --> 12:54.200]  Even one of them was trying to talk the chief out of arresting me and going through the
[12:54.200 --> 12:55.880]  whole process.
[12:55.880 --> 13:02.080]  And I think he managed to talk them down to just, they just cuss me and they charged me,
[13:02.080 --> 13:03.080]  but then they let me go.
[13:03.080 --> 13:06.600]  They didn't actually take me to jail, which is what they said they were going to do whenever
[13:06.600 --> 13:08.280]  they started the process.
[13:08.280 --> 13:11.400]  Well, did they admit that the Secret Service told them to do that?
[13:11.400 --> 13:18.240]  Well, get this, when they were sitting there, filling out the paperwork for my arrest, they
[13:18.240 --> 13:23.340]  were discussing, like bartering or negotiating over what they were going to charge me with.
[13:23.340 --> 13:27.280]  And I like jumped in because he sat there and was like, well, we're going to charge
[13:27.280 --> 13:30.560]  her with failure, with disturbing the peace.
[13:30.560 --> 13:32.600]  And I was like, don't put disturbing the peace.
[13:32.600 --> 13:37.280]  I'm like, come on, y'all, I'm like, I am here, I'm a peaceful person, I'm the only one who's
[13:37.280 --> 13:41.480]  advocating no war, you know, don't tag that onto my name.
[13:41.480 --> 13:45.720]  And I was like, look, put failure to leave.
[13:45.720 --> 13:53.080]  The cops look straight at me and says, we can't charge you with that, it's unconstitutional.
[13:53.080 --> 13:56.120]  Which is what I said to start.
[13:56.120 --> 13:57.120]  Okay.
[13:57.120 --> 14:01.560]  So, but did they ever admit that the Secret Service told them to arrest you though?
[14:01.560 --> 14:10.120]  I mean, did they give you any explanation of why they went running after you to arrest
[14:10.120 --> 14:11.120]  you?
[14:11.120 --> 14:15.880]  We have them on film twice saying that they were just carrying out Secret Service orders.
[14:15.880 --> 14:16.880]  Ah, that's what I wanted to know.
[14:16.880 --> 14:20.200]  When he's being pushed back for like the third time.
[14:20.200 --> 14:24.160]  And then again, when he was telling us that we had to be barricaded or leave, he was like,
[14:24.160 --> 14:25.160]  it's Secret Service's order.
[14:25.160 --> 14:29.160]  We have them on film saying that three times, actually, but I don't think anybody said you
[14:29.160 --> 14:33.960]  are being arrested because of Secret Service on film, but that's what they said to me behind
[14:33.960 --> 14:34.960]  the scenes.
[14:34.960 --> 14:36.480]  That's good enough.
[14:36.480 --> 14:40.720]  Please tell me you had some sort of personal recorder on you recording them debating on
[14:40.720 --> 14:42.300]  what to charge you with.
[14:42.300 --> 14:45.640]  I did not, unfortunately.
[14:45.640 --> 14:50.280]  And in this case, it would have been fine to have it, but I've actually been arrested
[14:50.280 --> 14:52.000]  before for just holding a recorder.
[14:52.000 --> 14:54.120]  So I get kind of nervous about those.
[14:54.120 --> 14:55.120]  Okay.
[14:55.120 --> 14:59.160]  So Brooke, they're debating over what to charge you with.
[14:59.160 --> 15:03.480]  What did they eventually end up charging you with?
[15:03.480 --> 15:07.640]  Disturbing the piece, and then they changed it to setting off a false alarm.
[15:07.640 --> 15:09.640]  Setting off a false alarm?
[15:09.640 --> 15:10.640]  What alarm?
[15:10.640 --> 15:18.720]  Well, on the Bullhorn, there's an alarm option, and I had set that off because I had people
[15:18.720 --> 15:25.320]  swarming around, people threatening me, people calling me racist, which I am so not, but
[15:25.320 --> 15:29.560]  just because I was speaking out against a black man, I suddenly am.
[15:29.560 --> 15:37.880]  But I was being threatened, and the cops kept pushing me into a crowd of 200 or 300 screaming
[15:37.880 --> 15:42.280]  Obama fans when me and my friends were trying to stay on the opposite side of the road and
[15:42.280 --> 15:44.680]  debate them and talk to them about it.
[15:44.680 --> 15:46.160]  So I was being swarmed.
[15:46.160 --> 15:47.160]  I got a little nervous.
[15:47.160 --> 15:51.000]  A big old dude was up in my face, and I set off the alarm.
[15:51.000 --> 15:53.600]  Well, that's not falsely setting off alarm.
[15:53.600 --> 15:54.960]  You were really scared.
[15:54.960 --> 15:59.720]  I know, but you know what it is, is that in Louisiana, it is illegal to set off a false
[15:59.720 --> 16:00.720]  alarm.
[16:00.720 --> 16:04.920]  And I think that they realized early on that they weren't going to be successful in charging
[16:04.920 --> 16:09.280]  me with failure to leave and that they weren't going to even be successful in saying that
[16:09.280 --> 16:10.280]  I was disturbing the peace.
[16:10.280 --> 16:15.720]  Yes, but it's only setting off a false alarm if you're intentionally fraudulently doing
[16:15.720 --> 16:16.720]  it.
[16:16.720 --> 16:22.200]  If you are honest to God, scared in your heart, and you set off an alarm because you are scared,
[16:22.200 --> 16:24.640]  that is not setting off a false alarm.
[16:24.640 --> 16:25.640]  Yeah.
[16:25.640 --> 16:27.640]  I think they know that.
[16:27.640 --> 16:31.440]  Obviously, because they're debating over what to charge you with.
[16:31.440 --> 16:32.440]  All right.
[16:32.440 --> 16:33.440]  This is ridiculous.
[16:33.440 --> 16:37.280]  Okay, when we get back on the other side, we're going to hear the rest of the story.
[16:37.280 --> 16:44.400]  I know that when John and Catherine were in Louisiana last week, Catherine went to the
[16:44.400 --> 16:48.040]  trial with you, and apparently the charges got dropped, dismissed, whatever.
[16:48.040 --> 16:51.440]  So we're going to talk about that, and then we're going to talk about what we're going
[16:51.440 --> 16:53.280]  to do to these numb skulls.
[16:53.280 --> 16:55.600]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[16:55.600 --> 16:56.600]  This is the rule of law.
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[18:05.200 --> 18:27.320]  Okay, their oath, they are not abiding, obviously.
[18:27.320 --> 18:31.120]  Look what we get.
[18:31.120 --> 18:33.560]  We ask the questions, and they don't have the answers.
[18:33.560 --> 18:37.480]  We ask the questions, what are you arresting Brooke Kelly for, and they don't even know.
[18:37.480 --> 18:40.320]  They're having to debate it on the spot.
[18:40.320 --> 18:47.200]  Okay, so Brooke, they ended up at first charging you with disturbing the peace, but they never
[18:47.200 --> 18:52.320]  took, they cuffed you, but they never took you downtown, what, they just put you in handcuffs?
[18:52.320 --> 18:56.000]  Did they put you in a squad car for a little while, or did they just, how long were you
[18:56.000 --> 18:57.600]  in handcuffs, and then they let you go?
[18:57.600 --> 19:00.360]  I mean, what exactly happened at that point?
[19:00.360 --> 19:05.200]  I think the whole process was like about an hour and a half or two hours, I guess, but
[19:05.200 --> 19:11.760]  yeah, they put me in the car, and they drove me to a holding spot, and then, and I said
[19:11.760 --> 19:16.160]  to them when I got there, I was like, I have a perfect solution, because I am this fix
[19:16.160 --> 19:18.840]  it, and I like to work on these things.
[19:18.840 --> 19:25.960]  I'm like, how about y'all escort me personally back to my car, watch me get in it, and drive
[19:25.960 --> 19:32.200]  away towards my area of residence, and we can just, you know, call this all day, done,
[19:32.200 --> 19:37.120]  and he was like, we don't have time for that, and it's like five o'clock sitting around
[19:37.120 --> 19:39.600]  in the room as I'm saying it.
[19:39.600 --> 19:42.380]  Okay, what is this holding area?
[19:42.380 --> 19:43.380]  What was this?
[19:43.380 --> 19:48.560]  This is, I guess, where they take the college students who've been acting up, or not acting
[19:48.560 --> 19:49.960]  up as the case may be, and-
[19:49.960 --> 19:51.440]  Oh, this is on campus.
[19:51.440 --> 19:57.560]  Yeah, on campus, and where they said they were going to have me before I went to jail.
[19:57.560 --> 20:01.720]  Were these campus police, or were these real, like, New Orleans police?
[20:01.720 --> 20:07.800]  The New Orleans police were the ones who were keeping us barricaded and pushing us back.
[20:07.800 --> 20:13.560]  Those are the ones who I was very confrontational with, and, you know, I just stood up, you
[20:13.560 --> 20:15.880]  know, for the Constitution to them.
[20:15.880 --> 20:18.960]  They were not going to arrest me.
[20:18.960 --> 20:25.120]  When the Secret Service ordered the arrest, the campus cops stepped in, because I guess
[20:25.120 --> 20:28.520]  that's their jurisdiction, and they actually may be-
[20:28.520 --> 20:32.480]  Probably more likely, because the New Orleans police didn't want to get involved, because
[20:32.480 --> 20:35.520]  they knew that they'd be stepping in it.
[20:35.520 --> 20:40.520]  I like to believe that the New Orleans police were doing an amazing job that day, listening
[20:40.520 --> 20:45.440]  to a little girl mouthing off that they probably didn't want to listen to, but they all did
[20:45.440 --> 20:46.440]  the right thing.
[20:46.440 --> 20:53.160]  At one point, one of them threatened to arrest me, but, I mean, you know, I started walking
[20:53.160 --> 20:58.160]  away, and they didn't do it, and stuff like that, so, I mean, I commend them, actually,
[20:58.160 --> 21:03.520]  and also, for our grand finale, for Freedom Ride, we had a TV busting session, where we
[21:03.520 --> 21:10.120]  went to some of the TV stations downtown, and spoke out, and busted up the TV, and,
[21:10.120 --> 21:15.720]  of course, they called the cops on us, like they always do, but the New Orleans cops came,
[21:15.720 --> 21:18.520]  they got out of the car, and talked to us, and said, are you going to clean up the mess,
[21:18.520 --> 21:23.760]  and we were like, yes, and then they just, you know, left us alone, which that did not
[21:23.760 --> 21:27.400]  happen anywhere else in the whole country and beyond.
[21:27.400 --> 21:33.240]  So I think that they have to deal with a lot of crap from people because of Mardi Gras.
[21:33.240 --> 21:36.840]  I think they just have a higher tolerance for crazy people.
[21:36.840 --> 21:44.080]  It sounds like the New York police, that they're very, you know, respectful of the public,
[21:44.080 --> 21:49.720]  the general public, and the sovereigns, so it was the campus police that arrested you
[21:49.720 --> 21:50.720]  then.
[21:50.720 --> 21:53.600]  They actually took the orders and followed through.
[21:53.600 --> 21:56.800]  The campus police were the ones that chased you back down.
[21:56.800 --> 21:57.800]  Yes.
[21:57.800 --> 22:03.360]  And took you to some kind of holding area, and you were there for a while, and then they
[22:03.360 --> 22:06.720]  let you go at some point.
[22:06.720 --> 22:07.720]  Yes.
[22:07.720 --> 22:13.640]  He kept making a big deal about me not having my ID on me, which is flashback to Nazi Germany,
[22:13.640 --> 22:16.400]  where you have to have your papers or you're in trouble.
[22:16.400 --> 22:20.840]  The one cop, the one cop who was on a power trip, who was the campus police, who was filling
[22:20.840 --> 22:26.460]  out all the paperwork and loving it, said to me, if you don't have your ID on you, you're
[22:26.460 --> 22:28.000]  going to jail.
[22:28.000 --> 22:32.640]  And I was like, well, I don't have it on me, like in my pocket, because I'm running around
[22:32.640 --> 22:33.640]  in a rally.
[22:33.640 --> 22:34.960]  But he's like, is it in your car?
[22:34.960 --> 22:35.960]  And I said, yes.
[22:35.960 --> 22:39.200]  And he's like, if it's not in your car, you're going to jail.
[22:39.200 --> 22:40.200]  Okay.
[22:40.200 --> 22:42.280]  Well, let's back up here.
[22:42.280 --> 22:49.040]  When did the charges get changed from disturbing the peace to setting off a false alarm?
[22:49.040 --> 22:50.440]  When did that happen?
[22:50.440 --> 22:56.320]  When I went to put in my plea, and I told the man that I was innocent and that it was
[22:56.320 --> 23:03.880]  a victim of this crime, or not even a crime in this case, he changed it.
[23:03.880 --> 23:05.400]  He wrote down something different.
[23:05.400 --> 23:06.400]  Who was he?
[23:06.400 --> 23:14.520]  Was this a court, or was this some campus administrative hearing, or what?
[23:14.520 --> 23:23.560]  This was actually at the New Orleans courthouse, and it was either a judge out of uniform,
[23:23.560 --> 23:29.080]  or it was a judge's helper who was accepting pleas and marking people.
[23:29.080 --> 23:30.080]  When did this happen?
[23:30.080 --> 23:32.400]  This was the following week.
[23:32.400 --> 23:33.400]  The following week.
[23:33.400 --> 23:36.480]  Okay, I see a lot of problems with this already.
[23:36.480 --> 23:39.480]  I'm sure Randy and Eddie do as well.
[23:39.480 --> 23:44.920]  Number one, I don't see how campus rent-a-cops have any jurisdiction or authority.
[23:44.920 --> 23:50.760]  They don't have any authority whatsoever to enforce state laws that they're like rent-a-cops
[23:50.760 --> 23:51.760]  for the university.
[23:51.760 --> 23:52.760]  Well, actually, it depends.
[23:52.760 --> 23:56.240]  Like, for instance, here in Texas, these are state-funded universities.
[23:56.240 --> 23:57.800]  These are state police officers.
[23:57.800 --> 24:03.080]  Their jurisdiction stops at the edge of the campus property, but they're still state
[24:03.080 --> 24:05.920]  officers.
[24:05.920 --> 24:09.600]  Were you actually on property belonging to the college?
[24:09.600 --> 24:10.600]  Yes.
[24:10.600 --> 24:16.680]  It was the University of New Orleans, so that's a state school.
[24:16.680 --> 24:21.680]  So you went and put in this plea, and then, apparently, this judge, or maybe acting as
[24:21.680 --> 24:23.920]  a magistrate, changed the charge?
[24:23.920 --> 24:24.920]  Yeah.
[24:24.920 --> 24:27.640]  He put it to setting off a false alarm without even...
[24:27.640 --> 24:33.000]  Do you have the original paperwork that said that they were accusing you of disturbing
[24:33.000 --> 24:34.000]  the peace?
[24:34.000 --> 24:35.000]  No.
[24:35.000 --> 24:36.000]  I don't have it.
[24:36.000 --> 24:40.760]  I'm sure I could get a copy from the campus cops.
[24:40.760 --> 24:42.640]  How did you know when to go put in a plea?
[24:42.640 --> 24:44.480]  How did you know what they charged you with?
[24:44.480 --> 24:47.600]  They didn't give you any paperwork whatsoever when they released you?
[24:47.600 --> 24:50.200]  Just a ticket, and it said disturbing the peace.
[24:50.200 --> 24:52.200]  Do you still have that ticket?
[24:52.200 --> 24:53.760]  Yes, I do.
[24:53.760 --> 24:54.760]  Okay.
[24:54.760 --> 24:56.800]  Then that's it right there.
[24:56.800 --> 24:58.800]  That's the original paperwork.
[24:58.800 --> 24:59.800]  Okay.
[24:59.800 --> 25:06.080]  So then you went to put in a plea, and then this judge slash magistrate slash whatever
[25:06.080 --> 25:11.840]  he was changed the charge, and then you had a court date, and then what happened?
[25:11.840 --> 25:12.880]  This was last week.
[25:12.880 --> 25:14.680]  What happened at the court?
[25:14.680 --> 25:18.000]  I went in, was ordered around.
[25:18.000 --> 25:19.440]  I was told where to sit.
[25:19.440 --> 25:21.600]  I had to take my sunglasses off.
[25:21.600 --> 25:23.800]  My friends had to take her sunglasses off her head.
[25:23.800 --> 25:24.800]  We had to put them in our...
[25:24.800 --> 25:26.960]  They were just so militant in there.
[25:26.960 --> 25:27.960]  It was crazy.
[25:27.960 --> 25:31.480]  We were shuffled around and told where to sit two different times.
[25:31.480 --> 25:32.480]  They moved us.
[25:32.480 --> 25:35.080]  It was like you really do not own yourself.
[25:35.080 --> 25:37.640]  You are not in charge of your body in this situation.
[25:37.640 --> 25:43.120]  I have a friend, Anarcho Jesse, who got arrested for refusing to take off his hat in court
[25:43.120 --> 25:46.880]  when he was only going to be there for five minutes to run in and out real quick.
[25:46.880 --> 25:54.480]  So it was just annoying, but we just waited a little while, and I went up, and he asked
[25:54.480 --> 25:55.480]  what happened.
[25:55.480 --> 26:01.280]  I explained what happened, just like I just explained to you, and he looked at me and
[26:01.280 --> 26:05.120]  he said, so basically you are disturbing the peace.
[26:05.120 --> 26:09.920]  So they changed the charge again.
[26:09.920 --> 26:11.400]  They changed the charge again.
[26:11.400 --> 26:14.880]  Yeah, it was like he changed it back in its head.
[26:14.880 --> 26:15.880]  I do not know.
[26:15.880 --> 26:20.080]  I explained what was going on with the alarm and the bullhorn situation.
[26:20.080 --> 26:25.800]  Brooke, did you ask him, well, there was approximately how many thousands of people there doing exactly
[26:25.800 --> 26:30.080]  the same thing that I was doing, and yet I am the only one here.
[26:30.080 --> 26:32.240]  What is the problem with this picture?
[26:32.240 --> 26:38.720]  All he said was the entire conversation was, so you were disturbing the peace, and I was
[26:38.720 --> 26:42.480]  like, no, sir, I was not, and he looked at me and he goes, well, I am not going to argue
[26:42.480 --> 26:43.480]  with you about it.
[26:43.480 --> 26:49.400]  Just get out of my courtroom, and he stamped it that it is like, we are choosing not to
[26:49.400 --> 26:54.320]  prosecute, probably because there was not a prosecutor there because there was never
[26:54.320 --> 26:55.320]  any crime.
[26:55.320 --> 27:01.440]  Okay, Brooke, was this a municipal court or was this a state court or a county court?
[27:01.440 --> 27:02.440]  Municipal court.
[27:02.440 --> 27:03.440]  Oh, boy.
[27:03.440 --> 27:04.440]  My goodness.
[27:04.440 --> 27:05.440]  Okay.
[27:05.440 --> 27:10.720]  Guys, what do you all make of this?
[27:10.720 --> 27:16.080]  Judge did the right thing, held an examining trial, found no probable cause, dismissed
[27:16.080 --> 27:17.080]  a case.
[27:17.080 --> 27:18.440]  That is what he was supposed to do.
[27:18.440 --> 27:19.600]  Well, wait a minute.
[27:19.600 --> 27:21.800]  What about when she went to put in the plea?
[27:21.800 --> 27:24.000]  What about the guy that changed the charge?
[27:24.000 --> 27:25.000]  What about that?
[27:25.000 --> 27:31.240]  When I went to put in the plea, he looked dead at me and said, I am a Democrat, and
[27:31.240 --> 27:34.560]  I said, well, sir, then you should know that I am not a Republican.
[27:34.560 --> 27:37.520]  I am merely a peaceful person.
[27:37.520 --> 27:41.120]  Was this the same guy who you saw at the hearing?
[27:41.120 --> 27:42.120]  No.
[27:42.120 --> 27:43.120]  It was different.
[27:43.120 --> 27:44.120]  Okay.
[27:44.120 --> 27:48.640]  Was it the judge who said he was a Democrat?
[27:48.640 --> 27:54.560]  It was, again, it was either the judge out of uniform or the judge's helper or I don't
[27:54.560 --> 27:55.560]  know how it...
[27:55.560 --> 27:58.800]  When she went and put in the plea, that's when that happened, Randy, is what she was
[27:58.800 --> 27:59.800]  saying.
[27:59.800 --> 28:00.800]  Yeah.
[28:00.800 --> 28:03.040]  I just had to say, well, everybody makes mistakes.
[28:03.040 --> 28:07.080]  You need to stand down because you were disqualified.
[28:07.080 --> 28:11.040]  Okay, so the judge did the right thing, but what about these cops?
[28:11.040 --> 28:15.600]  What about these police, these campus police?
[28:15.600 --> 28:16.600]  This is ridiculous.
[28:16.600 --> 28:22.240]  Well, they put a spare trap around their neck, in my opinion, because they arrested without
[28:22.240 --> 28:28.640]  any probable cause other than a direct order from someone that was not even a superior.
[28:28.640 --> 28:33.000]  Yeah, and she was doing what they told her to do, which was leave.
[28:33.000 --> 28:34.720]  She was leaving, and then they chased her down.
[28:34.720 --> 28:35.720]  I mean...
[28:35.720 --> 28:40.120]  Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, Randy, but have you looked at the Louisiana statute?
[28:40.120 --> 28:45.000]  Isn't it pretty much like Texas that the only person that can order someone arrested to
[28:45.000 --> 28:50.200]  a police officer is a magistrate that witnessed the crime?
[28:50.200 --> 28:55.400]  I haven't looked at it in Louisiana law, but I have no doubt it's going to be precisely
[28:55.400 --> 28:56.400]  the same.
[28:56.400 --> 29:00.560]  Louisiana law is a lot different, though, y'all, because we have Napoleonic code down
[29:00.560 --> 29:01.560]  here.
[29:01.560 --> 29:06.100]  Yeah, Louisiana law is different than everything.
[29:06.100 --> 29:10.600]  You have common law, and you have the commonwealths in the northeast, and you have the Spanish
[29:10.600 --> 29:15.840]  law in the south and the southwest, but Louisiana is a whole other act.
[29:15.840 --> 29:17.520]  Okay, but I can tell you this.
[29:17.520 --> 29:25.560]  I seriously doubt there's anything in Louisiana law that requires, that places a duty on campus
[29:25.560 --> 29:30.080]  police to follow orders of the Secret Service.
[29:30.080 --> 29:33.200]  This goes to the federal law, and even Louisiana law.
[29:33.200 --> 29:37.800]  I mean, if Secret Service wanted to arrest her, Secret Service should have arrested her.
[29:37.800 --> 29:41.000]  But they left the campus police holding the bag.
[29:41.000 --> 29:44.720]  That's why the New Orleans cops didn't want anything to do with this, because they knew
[29:44.720 --> 29:46.720]  it would be a big mess.
[29:46.720 --> 29:49.000]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[29:49.000 --> 29:51.520]  We're going to discuss this some more on the other side.
[29:51.520 --> 29:55.520]  We're here with Brooke Kelly from simplyseekingeden.com.
[29:55.520 --> 30:00.520]  We'll be right back.
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[31:22.920 --> 31:28.920]  When you gonna stop abuse your power?
[31:28.920 --> 31:33.920]  When you gonna stop abuse your power?
[31:33.920 --> 31:39.920]  When you gonna stop abuse your power?
[31:39.920 --> 31:44.920]  When you gonna stop abuse your power?
[31:44.920 --> 31:50.920]  Please Mr. Michael and each officer have to abuse their power.
[31:50.920 --> 31:53.920]  Send a request to the leader.
[31:53.920 --> 31:55.920]  Okay, we are back.
[31:55.920 --> 31:57.920]  The rule of law.
[31:57.920 --> 32:05.920]  Okay, time to rock and roll with some solutions here on how Brooke can go after these retards.
[32:05.920 --> 32:06.920]  No pun intended.
[32:06.920 --> 32:09.920]  Their IQ really probably is less than 70.
[32:09.920 --> 32:13.920]  So, Randy, let's rock.
[32:13.920 --> 32:15.920]  What should you do here?
[32:15.920 --> 32:20.920]  Well, for me, the first thing I would do is send them a tort letter.
[32:20.920 --> 32:26.920]  And in the tort letter, I would request the names of every officer who was present
[32:26.920 --> 32:31.920]  and all the CIA agents who were present, which you're not gonna get.
[32:31.920 --> 32:40.920]  But the best way to handle the guys on the bottom is to kick the crap out of the guys on the top.
[32:40.920 --> 32:47.920]  So whoever the chief of police or the campus police is, you send him an information request
[32:47.920 --> 32:50.920]  and request all this information from him.
[32:50.920 --> 32:57.920]  And since federal agents were involved, you can send him a FOIA.
[32:57.920 --> 33:00.920]  And of course, he won't respond to it.
[33:00.920 --> 33:06.920]  So then you go down and you make out a criminal complaint and you send it to the grand jury,
[33:06.920 --> 33:09.920]  the federal grand jury against this guy.
[33:09.920 --> 33:11.920]  And the U.S. attorney is gonna call this guy and say,
[33:11.920 --> 33:15.920]  hey, why is this guy trying to get me to come down and arrest you?
[33:15.920 --> 33:22.920]  And look at the, since they arrested you and took you to a magistrate
[33:22.920 --> 33:30.920]  and a magistrate didn't find probable cause, that's grounds for false imprisonment.
[33:30.920 --> 33:33.920]  That establishes false imprisonment.
[33:33.920 --> 33:41.920]  And since the officers admitted that they arrested you because the CIA directed them to,
[33:41.920 --> 33:45.920]  then they essentially admitted false imprisonment.
[33:45.920 --> 33:51.920]  But they did it while they were carrying a loaded weapon.
[33:51.920 --> 33:56.920]  And I call that aggravated kidnapping.
[33:56.920 --> 34:01.920]  It's first degree felony in Texas.
[34:01.920 --> 34:03.920]  Charge them with that locally.
[34:03.920 --> 34:07.920]  Now you won't be able to get anybody to prosecute to charge us.
[34:07.920 --> 34:09.920]  But who cares?
[34:09.920 --> 34:17.920]  You get to go down there and jerk them around and drive them absolutely crazy.
[34:17.920 --> 34:21.920]  Next time you get at one of these things and they check your name,
[34:21.920 --> 34:27.920]  they're gonna tell the other officers, leave that no good rotten scumbag alone.
[34:27.920 --> 34:32.920]  What that's gonna do is cause you incredible misery.
[34:32.920 --> 34:38.920]  If we're gonna get control back, we have to stand up and fight.
[34:38.920 --> 34:43.920]  And not just when somebody's in your face and react.
[34:43.920 --> 34:46.920]  We have to fight them.
[34:46.920 --> 34:49.920]  And lawsuits really work.
[34:49.920 --> 34:53.920]  Yep, that's what I was telling Brooke the other morning, you know,
[34:53.920 --> 34:58.920]  producing John and Catherine's show and she was a guest and we talked a little bit about this on the break.
[34:58.920 --> 35:00.920]  You have to go after these guys.
[35:00.920 --> 35:06.920]  It's not good enough that they dismiss the charges or they drop the charges against you or whatever.
[35:06.920 --> 35:09.920]  Your liberties were restricted.
[35:09.920 --> 35:11.920]  You were put through the mill.
[35:11.920 --> 35:13.920]  They had you in handcuffs.
[35:13.920 --> 35:14.920]  They dragged you around.
[35:14.920 --> 35:17.920]  It was at least an hour and a half, two hours.
[35:17.920 --> 35:19.920]  You had to go down to the court twice.
[35:19.920 --> 35:21.920]  It took all your time.
[35:21.920 --> 35:22.920]  They were shuffling you around.
[35:22.920 --> 35:23.920]  You couldn't sit here.
[35:23.920 --> 35:27.920]  You had to sit there, had to take the sunglasses, all these kinds of things.
[35:27.920 --> 35:29.920]  This is a big deal.
[35:29.920 --> 35:31.920]  It is a very big deal.
[35:31.920 --> 35:32.920]  I talked about this in the seminar.
[35:32.920 --> 35:40.920]  It is a very big deal to have your liberty restricted from you for even a millisecond.
[35:40.920 --> 35:42.920]  It is a huge deal.
[35:42.920 --> 35:45.920]  And the case law says, what is it, Randy?
[35:45.920 --> 35:50.920]  It's like $170,000 an hour, $70,000 an hour, something like that.
[35:50.920 --> 35:53.920]  Travis, that in Florida, $76,000 an hour.
[35:53.920 --> 35:55.920]  $76,000 an hour.
[35:55.920 --> 35:57.920]  This is what the case law says.
[35:57.920 --> 36:06.920]  This is what you can reasonably ask for, for damages, for being restricted from your liberty without due process.
[36:06.920 --> 36:09.920]  $76,000 an hour.
[36:09.920 --> 36:11.920]  Really, I think it should be more than that.
[36:11.920 --> 36:15.920]  But that's what the courts have said is reasonable.
[36:15.920 --> 36:16.920]  That's what you should sue for.
[36:16.920 --> 36:17.920]  It was false arrest.
[36:17.920 --> 36:19.920]  It was false imprisonment.
[36:19.920 --> 36:20.920]  Make them pay.
[36:20.920 --> 36:22.920]  We have to go after these people.
[36:22.920 --> 36:31.920]  If we just have the attitude of, oh, boy, I got out of that one, and yeah, the judge did the right thing, acting as a magistrate.
[36:31.920 --> 36:33.920]  He found no probable cause.
[36:33.920 --> 36:46.920]  In this trial, which is really an examining trial, like Randy said, to hold a hearing to determine if there was probable cause or not to even have a charge against you, the judge did the right thing in that case.
[36:46.920 --> 36:47.920]  Brilliant.
[36:47.920 --> 36:48.920]  Amazing.
[36:48.920 --> 36:49.920]  This hardly ever happens.
[36:49.920 --> 36:51.920]  But that's not enough.
[36:51.920 --> 36:55.920]  It's not enough to just, you know, be let off the hook.
[36:55.920 --> 36:56.920]  No.
[36:56.920 --> 36:59.920]  These guys, the bad guys are the ones who got let off the hook.
[36:59.920 --> 37:01.920]  In this case, no more.
[37:01.920 --> 37:02.920]  No more letting them off the hook.
[37:02.920 --> 37:12.920]  If we really want to take this country back, if we really want to get control of our governments, then we have to go back after these scoundrels.
[37:12.920 --> 37:18.920]  We can't just let them do these things to us, and then they slip through the cracks when the case gets dropped.
[37:18.920 --> 37:19.920]  No.
[37:19.920 --> 37:20.920]  That ain't good enough for me.
[37:20.920 --> 37:24.920]  And that should not be good enough for anybody, really.
[37:24.920 --> 37:35.920]  Well, Katherine and I were talking about this too, and I do admire your passion, and I do have to say that I know that you all are in the right here.
[37:35.920 --> 37:51.920]  But I am, at this point, choosing not to go after them simply because, well, for one, you know, I got arrested four times this past year in all of them similar situations, you know, for standing there and not breaking a law.
[37:51.920 --> 38:02.920]  And if I did that, if I went after one of them, it's like, by your logic, like, I should go after all of them, and then I'm always going to be in courtrooms and always having to – I don't know.
[38:02.920 --> 38:06.920]  It just seems like a lot for me to be doing that.
[38:06.920 --> 38:10.920]  It's just like I'd have to have a whole career made out of, like –
[38:10.920 --> 38:13.920]  Well, actually, you only need to sue one of them really well.
[38:13.920 --> 38:16.920]  Yeah, and then they'll never arrest you again.
[38:16.920 --> 38:24.920]  Yeah, the word will get out then that you arrest her at your own risk if you can't really prove the charge you're arresting her on.
[38:24.920 --> 38:33.920]  You don't have to sue them all. You just need to pick the best one to make – the most public one to make an example of and go after them.
[38:33.920 --> 38:42.920]  Yeah. And are you all familiar with the Joe Francis story, the guy from Girls Gone Wild?
[38:42.920 --> 38:46.920]  I can't say that I am, no.
[38:46.920 --> 38:58.920]  Okay. The guy who made Girls Gone Wild, which I'm sure you all have at least heard of or seen the commercials for, with a bunch of girls running around, taking their tops off, getting drunk during spring breaks.
[38:58.920 --> 39:08.920]  He was scheduled to shoot a show down in Florida, and the mayor got wind of it, wasn't having anything to do with it.
[39:08.920 --> 39:18.920]  And so he banned him from going to his town, and Joe Francis fought back based on the First Amendment right, saying that he, you know, could go there.
[39:18.920 --> 39:34.920]  He took it to court. He won his case, and I believe it was the mayor, and maybe some other public official there, but he was outraged with that, that they basically just went and had him arrested for no reason,
[39:34.920 --> 39:42.920]  and they picked him up, brought him to jail, and were holding him against his will for, you know, I think he ended up being in jail for about a year.
[39:42.920 --> 39:47.920]  And that was simply because he fought and won his case because he did a good job.
[39:47.920 --> 39:52.920]  If that's your fear, what are you doing out there with that bullhorn?
[39:52.920 --> 40:05.920]  Well, I know, but it's like they're not – I feel like if you're constantly up in their face and constantly like, oh, I'll show you, and I'm going to fight you and you, and you're going to pay for it, and you're going to owe me money.
[40:05.920 --> 40:12.920]  And so I think it's like when you're – it's like being antagonistic to – I mean, they are the mob. You have to remember that.
[40:12.920 --> 40:22.920]  They are at the same level as a mobster in a dark alley, and in that moment, you don't have any rights, and you really don't have any recourse either.
[40:22.920 --> 40:26.920]  And that's just kind of the way, unfortunately, that I've come to look at it.
[40:26.920 --> 40:32.920]  This is precisely how they beat us. This is how they win.
[40:32.920 --> 40:40.920]  What we don't – what most people don't understand is it's a whole lot different when you're the one going after them.
[40:40.920 --> 40:44.920]  You're – all your experience is with them coming after you.
[40:44.920 --> 40:52.920]  When you're the plaintiff, when you're the one calling them on the carpet, it's a whole other animal.
[40:52.920 --> 41:01.920]  And I know if I hear more of this story, they didn't just come and grab this guy up and throw him in jail for a year because he won a lawsuit.
[41:01.920 --> 41:09.920]  That is, I hear these crap stories, and they're not true. There's a lot more to this story. We ain't getting it all.
[41:09.920 --> 41:16.920]  I get stories a lot, and I hear this kind of stuff. And then when I go check into the story, there's a lot more to it.
[41:16.920 --> 41:28.920]  Well, but I did look into the story. They were saying that the girl didn't give consent, and yet he had a video of the girl giving consent and, you know, giving her –
[41:28.920 --> 41:36.920]  stuff like that. You know, she said that she was a certain age, but she gave a fake ID, which they didn't know it was a fake ID, that her consent on film.
[41:36.920 --> 41:40.920]  And then he goes to show up for court, and unfortunately, the story is like so many others.
[41:40.920 --> 41:47.920]  They shut down the case. They won't hear it before it even starts. They've decided what's going to happen in the back of their chambers.
[41:47.920 --> 41:53.920]  And so they just said, that's it. Somebody complained about you. They're going to make you look like a criminal now.
[41:53.920 --> 42:01.920]  I hear this stuff all the time. And if you're not willing to fight for your liberty, you're not going to have any.
[42:01.920 --> 42:10.920]  You can get out there with a bill of horn, and you can huff and puff, but when it gets right down to it, if you're not going to fight for your liberty, you're not going to have any.
[42:10.920 --> 42:16.920]  Yeah, and Eddie is right, too, about you don't have to – you've been arrested four times this last year.
[42:16.920 --> 42:21.920]  Well, we're not saying you have to go after all of those people in every single one of those arrests.
[42:21.920 --> 42:30.920]  You pick the best case that's the most winnable to make the most money, to make the point, and they will leave you alone after that.
[42:30.920 --> 42:39.920]  They will stand back from you, because they will be afraid. Don't mess with her. I know for a fact, because it happens to Randy.
[42:39.920 --> 42:47.920]  I see it all the time. If you really go after them, then you win and you get your way.
[42:47.920 --> 42:56.920]  Now, of course, the courts are corrupt, and there's all kinds of stories, and people may get thrown in jail and get harassed after the fact,
[42:56.920 --> 43:01.920]  and you just go back after them again even harder. Go ahead, Eddie.
[43:01.920 --> 43:09.920]  Yeah, if you like the one about you can lead a cop to knowledge, but you can't make him think, well, then there's one on a more serious note you need to remember.
[43:09.920 --> 43:19.920]  Any right you are fearful or fail to exercise is a right you don't have.
[43:19.920 --> 43:21.920]  You don't play fair, man.
[43:21.920 --> 43:22.920]  No, they don't.
[43:22.920 --> 43:23.920]  They don't.
[43:23.920 --> 43:28.920]  All through history, life has never been fair.
[43:28.920 --> 43:36.920]  This is how we make them play fair. We have to make them play fair.
[43:36.920 --> 43:38.920]  This is how we do it.
[43:38.920 --> 43:42.920]  All right, stay on the line, Brooke. We'll be back on the other side. We're going to talk about this some more.
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[45:12.920 --> 45:32.920]  Okay, we are back here with Brooke Kelly, very liberty-minded.
[45:32.920 --> 45:39.920]  She's out there spreading the word, spreading the message, and Brooke, you know, apologizing on the air.
[45:39.920 --> 45:52.920]  We're not trying to hammer on you or anything, but this goes to the whole mindset that we don't want to give in to the fear of this kind of tyranny.
[45:52.920 --> 45:57.920]  And it's not about spending all our time being involved and caught up in the court system,
[45:57.920 --> 46:02.920]  and it's not about vengeance, and it's not about getting back at them either.
[46:02.920 --> 46:11.920]  It's not about reacting out of anger. It's about justice, and it's about getting control of our system, and this is how we do it.
[46:11.920 --> 46:14.920]  Randy, you have some thoughts here.
[46:14.920 --> 46:20.920]  Yeah, it's really a lot easier than you think, especially when you file suit against them.
[46:20.920 --> 46:25.920]  And filing suit against them as a pro se makes them crazy.
[46:25.920 --> 46:28.920]  We've got all kind of neat tools you can use.
[46:28.920 --> 46:34.920]  My favorite one is to file bar grievances against the attorneys on the other side. It drives them up the wall.
[46:34.920 --> 46:39.920]  It ruins their career. They lose their malpractice insurance.
[46:39.920 --> 46:45.920]  If they ever get out of public life, they can't get a job because you file a bar grievance against them.
[46:45.920 --> 46:49.920]  It follows them for the rest of their career.
[46:49.920 --> 46:56.920]  As pro ses, we can beat them up in a way that people represented by attorneys can't.
[46:56.920 --> 46:59.920]  We can file criminal charges.
[46:59.920 --> 47:07.920]  What I have a routine, you see the policeman that arrested you, the one that you didn't like,
[47:07.920 --> 47:16.920]  go to his chief and give his chief a criminal complaint, and the chief will refuse to take it.
[47:16.920 --> 47:26.920]  For me, that's wonderful, because now I get to go to the sheriff of the county, or your case to parish,
[47:26.920 --> 47:32.920]  and give him a criminal complaint against the chief of police for not arresting one of his officers.
[47:32.920 --> 47:36.920]  And the sheriff's going to refuse to take it.
[47:36.920 --> 47:42.920]  Oh good, now I get to file against the sheriff, shielding from prosecution.
[47:42.920 --> 47:47.920]  I go with the prosecuting attorney, and he'll refuse to take it.
[47:47.920 --> 47:52.920]  And then I just follow the routine, then I go to the district judge,
[47:52.920 --> 47:57.920]  and go to his court and tell the bailiff to tell the judge I have business with court.
[47:57.920 --> 48:02.920]  You do it while the judge is having motion hearings.
[48:02.920 --> 48:09.920]  They generally set aside one day a week, or maybe two days a week, and they just hear motions all day.
[48:09.920 --> 48:12.920]  Different guys come up for them.
[48:12.920 --> 48:17.920]  There'll be a whole line of attorneys that are waiting for the judge to hear motions, so it doesn't take long.
[48:17.920 --> 48:21.920]  So the judge gets lots of breaks, so that's a good time to catch it.
[48:21.920 --> 48:27.920]  You go up to the bailiff and call the bailiff over and tell the bailiff to tell the judge I have business with court.
[48:27.920 --> 48:30.920]  And he'll say, may I tell him the nature of the business?
[48:30.920 --> 48:34.920]  No, I have business with the court and it's none of yours.
[48:34.920 --> 48:38.920]  So that'll piss him off, and he'll run up to the judge and tell him, got some jerk out here,
[48:38.920 --> 48:40.920]  says he's got business and he won't tell me what it is.
[48:40.920 --> 48:46.920]  And you'll be standing there looking real innocent, holding this folder in your hand.
[48:46.920 --> 48:49.920]  And the judge is going to want to know what's in it.
[48:49.920 --> 48:52.920]  So he's going to call you up and say, I understand you have business with court.
[48:52.920 --> 48:54.920]  Yes, Your Honor, may I approach?
[48:54.920 --> 48:56.920]  And you hold up this folder.
[48:56.920 --> 48:59.920]  That means, can I give you this document?
[48:59.920 --> 49:02.920]  And he will probably send the bailiff over to get the document,
[49:02.920 --> 49:05.920]  because the judge wants to know what you're there for, because you're jerking his bailiff away.
[49:05.920 --> 49:08.920]  I think we lost her.
[49:08.920 --> 49:10.920]  I hate it when that happens.
[49:10.920 --> 49:12.920]  Her cell phone was kind of cutting out.
[49:12.920 --> 49:13.920]  Oh, okay.
[49:13.920 --> 49:20.920]  Anyway, for everybody else listening, when the judge opens the folder,
[49:20.920 --> 49:24.920]  you have invoked his duty as a magistrate.
[49:24.920 --> 49:27.920]  And if Gail from Minnesota is listening...
[49:27.920 --> 49:29.920]  She's back.
[49:29.920 --> 49:33.920]  If Gail from Minnesota is listening, please call in.
[49:33.920 --> 49:37.920]  She has a story on that issue.
[49:37.920 --> 49:39.920]  Well, and I do want to finish up with our guest.
[49:39.920 --> 49:42.920]  We do have Brooke back on the line.
[49:42.920 --> 49:48.920]  And Brooke, the whole thing about this is, and believe me, I understand what you're saying.
[49:48.920 --> 49:54.920]  You don't want to spend all your time being involved with the courts and all this kind of thing.
[49:54.920 --> 50:01.920]  But this really is the way that we can, it is a way that we can take our system back.
[50:01.920 --> 50:02.920]  This system belongs to us.
[50:02.920 --> 50:04.920]  We created the government.
[50:04.920 --> 50:06.920]  We can't be afraid of these people.
[50:06.920 --> 50:11.920]  And it doesn't mean that we have to be involved with it all the time.
[50:11.920 --> 50:17.920]  But it's about the mindset and not being afraid of the courts and not being afraid of these people.
[50:17.920 --> 50:19.920]  We have to take control.
[50:19.920 --> 50:25.920]  And the thing is, if you don't, like you're talking about spending all this time in the courts and everything,
[50:25.920 --> 50:31.920]  well, what would you rather do, spend a whole lot of time dealing with the system on the defensive end
[50:31.920 --> 50:38.920]  where you're on the defense and getting arrested all the time and having to be the defendant
[50:38.920 --> 50:43.920]  and all these kinds of things where they are shuffling you around?
[50:43.920 --> 50:49.920]  Or would you rather spend the time, and I promise you it would be a lot less time, being the plaintiff
[50:49.920 --> 50:54.920]  and walking in there and calling the shots?
[50:54.920 --> 50:59.920]  I would rather spend my time being the plaintiff and spend less time and call the shots.
[50:59.920 --> 51:01.920]  I think you're idealizing it.
[51:01.920 --> 51:10.920]  I mean, another hero of mine, Richard I. Fine, was a hero for the taxpayers in Los Angeles
[51:10.920 --> 51:16.920]  and just kept bam, bam, bam, one after another court case just uncovering how public officials
[51:16.920 --> 51:23.920]  were stealing this money from all the taxpayers, and he managed to save them multi-billions of dollars.
[51:23.920 --> 51:28.920]  He just went and picked them up, put them in shackles, and put them in jail
[51:28.920 --> 51:30.920]  because he was successful at it.
[51:30.920 --> 51:35.920]  And that's, unfortunately, right now we've allowed them to get away with it for so long
[51:35.920 --> 51:40.920]  that they really are way more powerful than they were ever intended to be.
[51:40.920 --> 51:43.920]  And it's not that I'm afraid, like, oh, I'm so scared of cops.
[51:43.920 --> 51:45.920]  I'm not afraid of cops.
[51:45.920 --> 51:49.920]  I mean, if I end up having to live in jail, then I will.
[51:49.920 --> 51:51.920]  It's just I don't want to take the quick route there.
[51:51.920 --> 51:55.920]  But, Brooke, you're bringing up a whole, it's like comparing apples with oranges.
[51:55.920 --> 51:57.920]  You're talking about IRS cases.
[51:57.920 --> 51:59.920]  This is not about IRS cases.
[51:59.920 --> 52:01.920]  This is about due process.
[52:01.920 --> 52:03.920]  This is about the police.
[52:03.920 --> 52:07.920]  I know, but I'm talking about this is a whole different issue.
[52:07.920 --> 52:09.920]  This is about due process.
[52:09.920 --> 52:13.920]  This isn't about the IRS or federal cases.
[52:13.920 --> 52:17.920]  You're not going to be costing them millions and billions of dollars.
[52:17.920 --> 52:20.920]  You're not going to bring down the powers that be.
[52:20.920 --> 52:27.920]  I had someone call in recently about an issue that was really, really serious.
[52:27.920 --> 52:30.920]  This is about straightening things out at the local level
[52:30.920 --> 52:32.920]  and functioning within the local paradigm,
[52:32.920 --> 52:34.920]  just like what John and Katherine are talking about.
[52:34.920 --> 52:36.920]  This isn't about going after the feds.
[52:36.920 --> 52:38.920]  Go ahead, Randi.
[52:38.920 --> 52:42.920]  But isn't my beef with the top, the Secret Service?
[52:42.920 --> 52:50.920]  No, your beef is with the campus police that falsely arrested you.
[52:50.920 --> 52:51.920]  I see, I see.
[52:51.920 --> 52:53.920]  You don't have a beef with the Secret Service.
[52:53.920 --> 52:58.920]  I would just rather, from my perspective, I want to create an award
[52:58.920 --> 53:01.920]  for some of these cops who put up with me that day
[53:01.920 --> 53:07.920]  and chose not to arrest me on their own accord because they know that wasn't right.
[53:07.920 --> 53:15.920]  I want to go and reward them and thank them for being the one that didn't take that.
[53:15.920 --> 53:18.920]  I think going in with a positive approach and being like,
[53:18.920 --> 53:22.920]  praising them and being thankful for the help they have given
[53:22.920 --> 53:25.920]  maybe could turn the whole thing around as well.
[53:25.920 --> 53:27.920]  I'm glad you brought that up.
[53:27.920 --> 53:32.920]  Did you write a complimentary letter about them to the chief?
[53:32.920 --> 53:37.920]  No, but me and my friends are planning on making an award.
[53:37.920 --> 53:42.920]  Now, wait a minute, you're talking about the New Orleans police here, right?
[53:42.920 --> 53:49.920]  Some of them, yeah, the ones who were following Constitution that day.
[53:49.920 --> 53:51.920]  Let me tell you a real short story.
[53:51.920 --> 53:56.920]  I had a Department DPS officer pull over next to me one day
[53:56.920 --> 54:01.920]  because I was tying something down in the back of my avalanche in a drizzly rain
[54:01.920 --> 54:03.920]  and asked me if I needed help.
[54:03.920 --> 54:07.920]  And I told him, no, I was just tightening up this motor so it didn't fall over.
[54:07.920 --> 54:12.920]  He said, oh, okay, I was just going to see if you needed any help, and he drove away.
[54:12.920 --> 54:18.920]  I called his sergeant and complimented him,
[54:18.920 --> 54:24.920]  told him how much I appreciated the fact that a police officer pulled over
[54:24.920 --> 54:29.920]  genuinely to see if I needed help and not to just jerk me around.
[54:29.920 --> 54:35.920]  I walked into the JP's office in the town I lived in two years later.
[54:35.920 --> 54:40.920]  That cop looked up and instantly knew who I was.
[54:40.920 --> 54:44.920]  It apparently went a long way for him.
[54:44.920 --> 54:49.920]  This goes a long way for a police officer.
[54:49.920 --> 54:55.920]  And while I do beat him up, it's my duty, if I get a good one,
[54:55.920 --> 55:00.920]  I owe it to him to let everybody I can know.
[55:00.920 --> 55:04.920]  I once was crawling down the throat of the head of the Department of Public Safety
[55:04.920 --> 55:06.920]  at the time it was Colonel Adams.
[55:06.920 --> 55:10.920]  And he said, Mr. Kelton, just what do you expect of our officers?
[55:10.920 --> 55:12.920]  I said, Donnie Gilbert.
[55:12.920 --> 55:14.920]  He said, what? Donnie Gilbert.
[55:14.920 --> 55:16.920]  That guy stops me every time he sees me.
[55:16.920 --> 55:18.920]  He always writes me a ticket.
[55:18.920 --> 55:23.920]  And I gave him all these great reasons why he shouldn't, and he ignores it.
[55:23.920 --> 55:27.920]  I try to get him mad, he ignores it and just writes me a ticket and goes on.
[55:27.920 --> 55:32.920]  If I need somebody with a pistol, send Donnie Gilbert.
[55:32.920 --> 55:35.920]  He's not going to shoot me because he's terrified.
[55:35.920 --> 55:36.920]  He's a good cop.
[55:36.920 --> 55:39.920]  He's the cop I expect him to be.
[55:39.920 --> 55:44.920]  We owe it to them to give it back to them because they don't get it enough.
[55:44.920 --> 55:48.920]  We start doing that more, they'll have more respect for us.
[55:48.920 --> 55:50.920]  I totally agree with that.
[55:50.920 --> 55:54.920]  The other thing, too, that you need to keep in mind is that, you know,
[55:54.920 --> 55:57.920]  Katherine and John have been exposing these fusion centers,
[55:57.920 --> 56:02.920]  and they're putting every single bit of data through these organizations
[56:02.920 --> 56:05.920]  who are gathering, collecting information and intelligence,
[56:05.920 --> 56:08.920]  and then they're later using that against us.
[56:08.920 --> 56:11.920]  But just like with what's going on right now, for instance,
[56:11.920 --> 56:17.920]  we got arrested, a friend and I, at the Canadian-American border.
[56:17.920 --> 56:20.920]  All I did was ask a question, and they put us in cuffs.
[56:20.920 --> 56:23.920]  They put the girl next to me in cuffs because she was sitting next to the girl
[56:23.920 --> 56:24.920]  who asked the question.
[56:24.920 --> 56:25.920]  She didn't do anything wrong.
[56:25.920 --> 56:28.920]  Well, we get down to Mexico, so we're at the Mexican border,
[56:28.920 --> 56:31.920]  and the cop comes up and of course they're detaining us again
[56:31.920 --> 56:33.920]  and the whole, you know, the whole deal,
[56:33.920 --> 56:37.920]  just border patrol this time instead of Department of Homeland Security.
[56:37.920 --> 56:39.920]  But the cop looks at me and he goes,
[56:39.920 --> 56:44.920]  yeah, I heard you were giving that cop in Canada a hard time.
[56:44.920 --> 56:46.920]  I was like, what are you talking about?
[56:46.920 --> 56:48.920]  They've got notes on the back end,
[56:48.920 --> 56:53.920]  but it doesn't say girl asked cop a question and got put in cuffs.
[56:53.920 --> 56:56.920]  It says girl was giving cop a hard time.
[56:56.920 --> 56:59.920]  So, I mean, then they look at that and they're like, oh, well,
[56:59.920 --> 57:03.920]  they see me automatically as the enemy.
[57:03.920 --> 57:04.920]  It creates problems.
[57:04.920 --> 57:07.920]  Whereas I think if I went to them and was friendly
[57:07.920 --> 57:10.920]  and if I, you know, had a better record or a better rapport with them,
[57:10.920 --> 57:12.920]  then that would maybe help get me out of trouble
[57:12.920 --> 57:16.920]  instead of them seeing me as the enemy.
[57:16.920 --> 57:20.920]  Well, if we're ever going to put a stop to this,
[57:20.920 --> 57:25.920]  you need to find out how much fun it is to kick their behinds.
[57:25.920 --> 57:27.920]  Oh, it's a hoot.
[57:27.920 --> 57:29.920]  You know, when they give me a hard time,
[57:29.920 --> 57:32.920]  you go ahead, Bubba, when you get done,
[57:32.920 --> 57:36.920]  you're not going to believe what I'm going to get to do to you.
[57:36.920 --> 57:40.920]  I will give you more grief than you ever imagined,
[57:40.920 --> 57:42.920]  and it's easy.
[57:42.920 --> 57:45.920]  It doesn't take much time.
[57:45.920 --> 57:50.920]  They have to spend all the time trying to defend against you.
[57:50.920 --> 57:52.920]  It really does get their attention.
[57:52.920 --> 57:56.920]  And the little notes on the back that they got on you,
[57:56.920 --> 57:59.920]  you see one of those border agents?
[57:59.920 --> 58:00.920]  That would be the note on the back of there.
[58:00.920 --> 58:01.920]  Watch this one.
[58:01.920 --> 58:04.920]  She'll sue you at the drop of a hat.
[58:04.920 --> 58:09.920]  And then all of a sudden you get treated like royalty.
[58:09.920 --> 58:11.920]  Yeah, and this really isn't that idealistic.
[58:11.920 --> 58:12.920]  This is experience.
[58:12.920 --> 58:15.920]  Randy's been doing this for 30 years.
[58:15.920 --> 58:18.920]  And Eddie's been doing it for 12 years.
[58:18.920 --> 58:21.920]  I've been doing it for about three years.
[58:21.920 --> 58:23.920]  And it works.
[58:23.920 --> 58:24.920]  It really works.
[58:24.920 --> 58:26.920]  Brooke, do you want to stay on with us?
[58:26.920 --> 58:27.920]  Yeah, that's fine.
[58:27.920 --> 58:28.920]  Okay, all right.
[58:28.920 --> 58:33.920]  We're going to hold Brooke over into the next hour.
[58:33.920 --> 58:35.920]  This is the rule of law.
[58:35.920 --> 58:37.920]  Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens,
[58:37.920 --> 58:38.920]  would you guys like to take some calls?
[58:38.920 --> 58:40.920]  Maybe we could have some callers call in
[58:40.920 --> 58:43.920]  and give some of their positive experiences using these methods.
[58:43.920 --> 58:45.920]  Callers, if you want to call in
[58:45.920 --> 58:48.920]  and share some of your experiences with Brooke on these issues
[58:48.920 --> 58:54.920]  and some of your successes, call in 512-646-1984.
[58:54.920 --> 58:56.920]  We'll be right back.
[58:56.920 --> 59:15.920]  Öyle.
[59:45.920 --> 01:00:11.520]  In Baghdad, a death squad executed four employees and a visitor at the Morteni charity, the
[01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:18.480]  first in more than two years. In Najaf province, officials demanded that Saddam Hussein loyalists
[01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:24.480]  leave the area within 24 hours in the wake of a triple bomb attack or face an iron fist.
[01:00:25.680 --> 01:00:31.280]  A Pakistani army spokesman said the overstretched military had no plans for any fresh
[01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:37.760]  anti-militant operations over the next 12 months. The BBC says the comments are a clear snub to
[01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:44.400]  Washington. Aid groups fear there are up to 1 million orphans in Haiti. Tom DiFilippo,
[01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:49.280]  president of the Joint Council on International Children's Services, said everyone seems to be
[01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:54.320]  estimating we're going to have over 1 million orphans in Haiti, adding that is defined as
[01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:59.200]  children who have lost either a mother or a father or both. There are fears some children
[01:00:59.200 --> 01:01:05.040]  may be shipped overseas without proper checks to see if any extended family members are alive.
[01:01:05.040 --> 01:01:10.480]  The Joint Council said bringing children into the U.S. either by airlift or new adoption during a
[01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:16.240]  national emergency can open the door for fraud, abuse and trafficking. Secretary of State Hillary
[01:01:16.240 --> 01:01:21.520]  Clinton is being urged to speed up the paperwork for 900 children whose adoptions were almost
[01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:28.720]  complete before the catastrophe occurred. UNICEF estimates 380,000 children had already lost one
[01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:36.080]  or both parents before the quake. Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[01:01:36.080 --> 01:01:41.600]  Dozens of governments around the world escalated their attacks against human rights defenders in
[01:01:41.600 --> 01:01:48.160]  2009. According to the annual World Report by Human Rights Watch, government attacks relied
[01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:55.360]  less on brute force than on non-violent means to curb or even eliminate human rights defenders work.
[01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.920]  The report noted silence the messenger efforts have grown in sophistication.
[01:02:00.560 --> 01:02:06.400]  Governments deny committing murders. Politically motivated prosecutions are disguised by common
[01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:13.200]  criminal charges. Censorship is enforced through seemingly neutral regulations. Funding streams
[01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:20.720]  are blocked. Tactics were not limited to authoritarian states such as China, Cuba, Burma or Eritrea.
[01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:26.880]  Democratic states such as Sri Lanka, Colombia and Israel resorted to measures designed to render
[01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:33.600]  watchdogs work more difficult. The report covering 90 countries including the US says Russia was at
[01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:39.040]  the forefront of violence, sometimes murderous, against human rights defenders especially in
[01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:44.880]  Chechnya. Other countries where rights activists were murdered or disappeared included Kenya,
[01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:52.240]  Burundi, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Malaysia, India, Uzbekistan and Yemen.
[01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:49.680]  The rule of law callers if you'd like to call in and share your experiences,
[01:03:49.680 --> 01:03:57.520]  success stories 512-646-1984 and I had a comment I wanted to make here before I turn it back over
[01:03:57.520 --> 01:04:03.600]  to Randy concerning what this is all about and Brooke you know I appreciate you bringing up these
[01:04:03.600 --> 01:04:08.400]  examples and stuff like that of these IRS cases and everything but that's not what this is about
[01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:15.920]  here. I want to be clear on the focus and what the issue really is. This is about due process.
[01:04:16.560 --> 01:04:25.280]  This is about if you're going to be accused of a crime and put on trial, arrested, all these kinds
[01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:33.680]  of things where your liberty is at stake, where the man is going after you for an alleged crime
[01:04:33.680 --> 01:04:42.080]  and how you will be treated and handled through that whole nightmare. That is what we call due
[01:04:42.080 --> 01:04:49.120]  process and rights have to be respected during the due process. This goes all the way back to
[01:04:49.120 --> 01:04:54.560]  the Magna Carta. There has to be probable cause, there has to be an examining trial,
[01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:59.680]  all these things. There has to be a witness, there has to be signed affidavits,
[01:04:59.680 --> 01:05:05.760]  they can't just arrest you and make things up as they go along, all these kinds of things.
[01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:15.440]  This goes back to fundamental basic principles of liberty. You don't take away somebody's liberty
[01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:22.800]  without due process. This isn't about going after the IRS for billions of dollars for tax laws that
[01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.960]  they're breaking or whatever things like that. This has nothing to do with that. This has to
[01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:33.760]  do with the little guy on the street and this has to do with the police and the courts, the lower
[01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:40.720]  level court system. We have to have due process. We can't be having checkpoints where they're taking
[01:05:40.720 --> 01:05:46.880]  blood from our, sticking needles in our arms on the side of the road. We can't be having these
[01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:53.920]  kinds of things. I just want to be clear here on what this is really all about. This isn't about
[01:05:53.920 --> 01:06:01.920]  going after the big fish like the IRS. When you're dealing with the lower level court system,
[01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:11.520]  they're not going to disappear you. In fact, all they're going to do is make room for you and
[01:06:11.520 --> 01:06:16.640]  roll out the red carpet and put your name on a different list, not to pull you over or harass
[01:06:16.640 --> 01:06:22.640]  you at all. I've seen it happen already. We have callers that have already discussed this issue.
[01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:30.240]  I just wanted to make clear that this is about due process and how people are handled
[01:06:30.240 --> 01:06:36.000]  when they're accused of crimes, arrested, these kinds of things. It's a big difference from
[01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:42.880]  these horror story cases that you've been referring to. Randy, did you have comments at this point?
[01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:52.880]  Yes. If we're going to fight for liberty, we don't have the luxury of allowing ourselves
[01:06:53.440 --> 01:07:02.880]  to be terrorized by these stories. If we're going to fight for liberty, we have to be willing to
[01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:11.040]  fight. Then the real fight is not out there in the streets. The real fight's at home. The real
[01:07:11.040 --> 01:07:17.840]  fight's after you get back. The best thing you could do for liberty is hammer these police.
[01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:22.480]  Whether you sue them or not, file criminal charges with them, file complaints against their
[01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:33.200]  licensing agency, just make their lives miserable to the point that if they ever see you again,
[01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:39.280]  they'll look the other way. We have a lot of people talking about policemen doing just exactly that.
[01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:47.920]  I was stopped once in the county I live in. The next day, I went into the little convenience store
[01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.520]  across the street. The guy that always listens to the scanner asked me, what'd you do that cop
[01:07:51.520 --> 01:07:56.960]  yesterday? I didn't do nothing to him. Why? He said, well, he called your name in on the radio
[01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:01.760]  and the dispatcher come back and said, don't you dare arrest that SOB. You give him his license
[01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:11.680]  back and tell him to get out of there. What? I'm a nice guy. After you kicked him around a little bit,
[01:08:12.640 --> 01:08:20.240]  it gives him respect. It's not respect for me. It's respect for the public. It's respect for this
[01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:26.480]  individual out here. They just, there's been so many of us that we wallowed in our fear
[01:08:26.480 --> 01:08:33.280]  and walked away from them and let them do whatever they've done, that they forgot how powerful we are.
[01:08:35.040 --> 01:08:39.280]  When I walk into a courtroom, I'm the baddest motor scooter in the joint.
[01:08:41.120 --> 01:08:48.640]  And that's because I'm nobody. I'm not a policeman. I'm not a prosecutor or an attorney or a judge.
[01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:55.760]  I'm the sovereign and they better not forget it. Because I'm the sovereign, that means I can kick
[01:08:55.760 --> 01:09:03.200]  anybody in the pants. Any opinion about that? When we were in Amarillo with the district attorney,
[01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:09.760]  when he refused to take a criminal complaint against a judge, I told him, wait right here,
[01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:16.400]  I need to get security. He said, oh, Mr. Kelton, you are very secure here. Well, you're very
[01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:23.200]  very secure here. Well, you're not. And I wouldn't get to get security to try to get them to arrest
[01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:32.000]  him. That was a hoot. We need more people doing this. We need to take them on down here at the
[01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:39.680]  bottom. And don't wait till they do something horrendous. The first time they step a little
[01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:44.480]  bit across a legal line, we need to kick them in their professional pants. Well, especially when
[01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:51.840]  it comes to due process and taking away our liberty. Let me read you an excerpt from a court
[01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:57.680]  case here. Merely being arrested is for most persons an awesome and frightening experience,
[01:09:58.320 --> 01:10:04.240]  an invasion of considerable proportion. All model code for prearrangement procedure.
[01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:13.840]  This is from all model code for prearrangement procedure commentary. And arrest is a serious
[01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:20.000]  matter for any person. Even the routine traffic arrests made by the state trooper can intrude on
[01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:26.160]  the privacy of the individual. A search may cause only annoyance and temporary inconvenience to the
[01:10:26.160 --> 01:10:32.080]  law abiding citizens, assuming more serious dimension when it turns up evidence of criminality.
[01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:38.000]  An arrest, however, is a serious personal intrusion, regardless of whether the person
[01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:45.360]  seized is guilty or innocent. And this is out of my treatment of due process.
[01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:54.640]  And the next one says that the awful instruments of the criminal justice system are too,
[01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:03.280]  I'll have to find the other, are too important to be left to a single functionary.
[01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:10.080]  That the complicated process of the legal system is clearly in place to ensure
[01:11:10.080 --> 01:11:16.400]  that each individual in the system acts to protect the rights of the citizen.
[01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:23.760]  And when they don't, it's up to us to kick them in their professional pants.
[01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:31.920]  And it's, hey, it's fun. When you go back after them, you'll get to wail in righteous indignation.
[01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:37.760]  And they can't blow you off. They can't go tell you to stand in the free speech zone.
[01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.360]  Then you're standing before them as the sovereign.
[01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:48.240]  Then they have to deal with you, especially when they find out that you know what you're doing.
[01:11:48.240 --> 01:11:52.400]  And that's what we're here for, is to show people how to get this done.
[01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:53.600]  It's a lot easier than you think.
[01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:58.160]  I think that you're looking at it though, like we live in a utopian society where, you know,
[01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:03.840]  the underdog goes to court and stands up to the man and everybody respects him after that.
[01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:08.080]  And like, I mean, if you could just sub out for a second in this conversation,
[01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:13.760]  rather than calling them the cops and the law and the court, that we could just sub out for
[01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:20.400]  like, you know, the mob, the gang, the leader of the Bloods, the Crips, say, you know, one of those.
[01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:25.200]  I don't think that we would be here trying to negotiate our freedom with these people.
[01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:28.960]  We would realize that they have the power to end our lives today.
[01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:33.440]  Like they could literally come and pick me up, put me in jail and hold me there indefinitely.
[01:12:33.440 --> 01:12:34.240]  So what?
[01:12:34.240 --> 01:12:36.400]  Wait a minute. What are you doing out there with a bullhorn, Nan?
[01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:41.440]  Well, because I'm not afraid to go to jail. Like I said earlier, I'm trying to get out there
[01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:45.680]  I'm afraid to go to jail. Like I said earlier, I'm just trying to take the longest route there.
[01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:50.800]  If that's where I have to go. I mean, I don't, I mean, if you see like some of my videos,
[01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:55.760]  like you want to, you want to fight for your rights, but when they demand that stuff,
[01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:00.400]  I just kind of back off a little bit, you know, because I'm trying to push without
[01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:04.240]  pushing so hard that I end up in cuffs.
[01:13:04.240 --> 01:13:10.560]  Well, Brooke, I can promise you this. We're not negotiating for our freedom, period.
[01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:16.080]  That is non-negotiable. That's why we do what we do. And I can also promise you
[01:13:16.080 --> 01:13:21.680]  that this is not a utopia. It's a long, hard road. Many of the, many times
[01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:27.600]  Randy's gotten beat up, kicked. It ain't all fun and games where you just walk in and then,
[01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:33.280]  oh, it's all good. And they just all respect you. Respect comes with a price and it's hard work.
[01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:41.040]  So, but the thing is we are not just preaching some kind of ivory tower ideology here.
[01:13:41.040 --> 01:13:47.600]  This is from experience, especially if Randy for 30 years has done this.
[01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:54.640]  So there's a track record here. This isn't, this isn't like a law theory course here.
[01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:01.360]  I've only got two broken collarbones, three dislocated ribs, chipped elbow and tooth knocked out.
[01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:08.960]  That ain't too bad. It could have been worse. But in that, I've learned what not to do.
[01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:16.640]  And I've learned how to go after them. And you talk about these people who are,
[01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:23.280]  have all this difficulty. You, I doubt that you know anybody who's harder on them than me.
[01:14:23.280 --> 01:14:28.880]  I'm very quick to ask the bailiff to arrest the judge in his own courtroom.
[01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:35.200]  I'll do that in a heartbeat. The last time I was in court, I told my prosecutor,
[01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:42.000]  don't you dare let them dismiss this case. You don't want to dismiss? No, I don't want to dismiss.
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.000]  I want that judge. I want those officers on the stand. And when I get done with them,
[01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.200]  I'm going to expect that presiding judge to arrest every one of them.
[01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:55.840]  They snuck in while we were at lunch to the judge with a dismissal order.
[01:14:55.840 --> 01:15:03.120]  I'm telling you, you go after them, they're cowards. You stand back and rail your arms at them.
[01:15:03.120 --> 01:15:08.960]  They are not impressed. There's no doubt that you're successful at what you do and that you've seen
[01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.480]  that what you do works again and again. I just think that we're, we're taking two different
[01:15:14.480 --> 01:15:19.680]  approaches. I think that y'all are fighting within the system and that's working for you.
[01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:24.400]  And that's good for me. But I think that you're not going to be able to do that.
[01:15:24.400 --> 01:15:28.480]  It's working for you. And that's good for me. I see it as a broken system.
[01:15:28.480 --> 01:15:36.560]  And I can give you examples of times where, you know, your approach has created a lot of problems
[01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:42.400]  for some really important people. So I just like, for me, it's like, I just prefer to stand back
[01:15:42.400 --> 01:15:48.560]  away from the machine and fight as much as I can. And I am that person who goes and gets a dismiss
[01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:54.480]  excited and thinks that I got off, you know, and, and I realized that within a utopian society,
[01:15:54.480 --> 01:15:59.440]  within, you know, even my, my website is simply speaking Eden and an Eden like state,
[01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.880]  you would be absolutely right. You know, we need to go after it and have everything
[01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:11.280]  straightened up and have justice. And for me, it's like, I don't know, I'm just,
[01:16:11.280 --> 01:16:18.320]  in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to do this. Yeah. Well, then again, if, if this were a
[01:16:18.320 --> 01:16:22.560]  perfect world, you and I wouldn't be here. And that's interesting that you say that,
[01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:27.600]  Brooke, cause I've never seen anybody do what Randy does. And I've been in the legal reform
[01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:33.760]  movement for about 10 years now, and I've never seen anybody take the approach that Randy takes
[01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:40.080]  or Eddie ever. They're, they're like forging the new path here. So I would, I, I'm interested to
[01:16:40.080 --> 01:16:44.800]  find out who else is doing this and what kind of losses they've had, because I've never seen
[01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:49.520]  anything like this. That's for sure. Listen, Brooke, hang on the line. We've got some callers.
[01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:53.040]  I would like to go to the college and we get back on the other side and see what their take is on
[01:16:53.040 --> 01:16:57.760]  all of this. We'll be right back. This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
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[01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:04.480]  Okay, we are back. We're going to go to your calls now. We've got Meta from Texas.
[01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:10.160]  She's probably up there on the water tower.
[01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:18.080]  Meta? No. Oh, this is Pat. Oh, okay. I'm up on the tower. This is Pat.
[01:19:18.080 --> 01:19:21.600]  Hey, Pat. What's, what's their question or comment tonight?
[01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:27.760]  Well, this is from an old man that's been on the poll a couple of times for
[01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:34.720]  Brooke, I think her name is. And I know what she's trying to do. And there was a lot of us
[01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:42.560]  in the anti-Vietnam War movement back, way back when, well, before she was born. You still there?
[01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:50.720]  Yeah. Okay. I lost the sound as far as I was wondering. You know where I'm hanging out at.
[01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:55.760]  So please accept my apologies on the cell reception here.
[01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:08.400]  Being an old combat vet and having looked down the wrong end of a 40 caliber block,
[01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:13.760]  more than once on my own property in the recent past, and I'm talking about in the last few months,
[01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:21.120]  from federal agents who do not have jurisdiction, Brooke, if you do not stand up and call the bluff,
[01:20:22.320 --> 01:20:29.280]  you're part of the problem. The only way you're going to solve the problem is to stand up and be
[01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:37.200]  counted. To do that, you have to educate yourself and ask for information from those that have it.
[01:20:37.200 --> 01:20:46.800]  And I know that's hard. All of this has gone through this. Believe me, there's been more than
[01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:55.360]  one time when I wanted to walk away from everything and just call it even. And I think everybody
[01:20:55.360 --> 01:21:02.720]  that's been in this situation has done the same thing. But when you're looking down the wrong end
[01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:12.320]  of the barrel, there's no place to go. And whether you believe it or not, things are going to go from
[01:21:12.320 --> 01:21:21.760]  bad to worse faster than we care to think about. There's only one solution, and that is to be
[01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:31.760]  educated, not fear the fear that is there, because fear will tighten you up and make you lose your
[01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:39.360]  perspective. But then you have to keep your eyes on the horizon and keep going. Trust those that
[01:21:39.360 --> 01:21:52.240]  are around you and trust their knowledge. When Pat first started calling us, he was in a fight with
[01:21:52.240 --> 01:22:00.960]  the Border Patrol. Well, we've kind of come to a consensus on that fight. Frankly, he frightened
[01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:07.520]  me because he was so concerned that these people were going to shoot him. And I think that's the
[01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:13.440]  reason we're going to shoot him. But he never backed down. So I've got a question for you, Pat.
[01:22:14.320 --> 01:22:22.000]  Sure. Would you trade that for anything? No. Randy, you know me better than that.
[01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:30.160]  Yes, I do. There's no feeling like taking on the bear and beating the bear.
[01:22:30.160 --> 01:22:39.280]  I weigh 115 pounds, Brooke. I'm 58 years old. I used to be in special operations.
[01:22:39.280 --> 01:22:43.920]  I hold more security clearances than half those guys that in the Secret Service were out there
[01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:51.520]  at your LSU or New Orleans University meeting. And I know more people that are still in the
[01:22:51.520 --> 01:23:01.360]  presidential detail or EOD than they do. I used to work in the White House. Now, does that get me
[01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:10.800]  one iota of anything from the feds? No. I get spit on just as fast as the next man does.
[01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:20.320]  Think about that. I spent 20 years of my life in the military, 17 years in combat
[01:23:20.320 --> 01:23:24.320]  in different places. And I want you to think about that one.
[01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.800]  I mean, I'm taking it all in. I'm definitely going to take it all into consideration
[01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:35.120]  for sure. I mean, I know y'all have been doing this so much longer than I have.
[01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:38.960]  Brooke, what we're trying to give you is just some advice.
[01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:45.600]  There's something else to it, Brooke. I was proud of myself for just not going
[01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:51.200]  straight up there and saying guilty and paying the fee. So, I mean, I feel like I'm getting
[01:23:51.200 --> 01:23:56.400]  somewhere. But the thing is, they don't always treat the plaintiff... If it sounds like we're
[01:23:56.400 --> 01:24:01.440]  picking on you, then we need to apologize for that because we certainly... No, I can handle it.
[01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:10.000]  No, we're trying to pick you up under the arms a little bit. Give you that little bit of
[01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:15.200]  pat on the back. You need to have a pat on the back. You deserve it. You've earned it.
[01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:21.600]  But also to give you our perspective on it. We have a longer perspective than you do.
[01:24:23.280 --> 01:24:32.480]  I lost good friends in many places. And I've met people that have been in this end of the
[01:24:32.480 --> 01:24:42.560]  art, if you will, for over 40 years. And some of them are still in the fight and they will be there
[01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:52.560]  until their last breath. The reason for it is government was created by the people. We are the
[01:24:52.560 --> 01:25:03.840]  people. We are the people. Don't ever forget that. And those that are public servants, a lot of them
[01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:12.880]  have forgotten or don't want to acknowledge that. We need to gently and sometimes more than gently
[01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:21.760]  reawaken them to the fact that they are our public servants. I think we need to change it back to
[01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:26.000]  that. I don't think that that's the case right now. It needs to be that way. But I mean, we got to
[01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:31.600]  get it that way before we could just march in there demanding that it's already that way.
[01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:38.080]  Well, there's only one way to do it. And that is to stand up and be candid. You're doing that
[01:25:38.080 --> 01:25:43.760]  in your own fashion. And every one of us here applauds you for that. But you also have to
[01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:51.200]  understand that we're trying to give you the knowledge, especially Randy, Eddie, and Deborah
[01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:57.760]  here, who have a lot of legal knowledge that even my wife and I don't have. We're both running for
[01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:02.480]  office here in the state of Texas. My wife is running for state senator, and I'm running for
[01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:09.840]  county commissioner. Because if you're not part, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of
[01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:16.800]  the problem. I agree with that, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm being a part of the problem
[01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.760]  here, because I'm doing a lot more than a lot of people in America do. You're not a part of the
[01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:23.600]  problem. You are absolutely part of the solution. And if it sounds like we're giving you a hard
[01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:29.680]  time, it's because it's among patriots, among those who are who are doing it. The
[01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:37.040]  reason I'm hoping I can get you to understand this is this is this would be an invaluable gift.
[01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:44.720]  You have no idea how much freedom this will give you. Once you realize that you can kick their
[01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:52.640]  behinds, it opens up a lot of doors that wouldn't be open otherwise. I know I can. I'm just not
[01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:57.360]  going to march into their house and start telling them how to, you know, do everything. I'm just
[01:26:57.360 --> 01:27:03.040]  it's the mob, guys. Keep in mind, this is like the head of the blood and the guts together.
[01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:09.120]  They're more powerful than the two most powerful gangs in our country. I grew up on the near north
[01:27:09.120 --> 01:27:18.080]  side of Chicago. And I know a lot about street gangs. If my brother taught me this one, we're
[01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:22.960]  walking down the street and six guys coming at toward us. They spread out and let us go between
[01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:29.920]  them. One guy stops in front of my brother and he just looked back at me and said, covered my back
[01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:35.360]  and he walked up to this person, never said a word to him, just hit him right between the eyes and
[01:27:35.360 --> 01:27:40.720]  drove him to the ground and bailed on him and started wailing on him. And all of a sudden,
[01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:45.760]  these guys didn't want any trouble. My brother said, Oh, geez, I'm sorry. I thought you guys
[01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:51.600]  wanted to fight. Well, had he not done that, we wouldn't have been able to do that.
[01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:54.480]  That we would have been in bad trouble.
[01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:04.560]  You can't beat these guys by ducking and dodging them. If you don't take them on head on, they will
[01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:13.520]  eat you alive. Like they'll keep arresting you. But then again, everybody's not made to do what
[01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:19.680]  we're doing. And we do appreciate what you're doing. And you don't have to be like us.
[01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:25.600]  But maybe, maybe you can find some other folks around you that are, and if you do send them to us,
[01:28:26.320 --> 01:28:34.240]  they would certainly argument what you're doing. Old folks like us have been where you're at right
[01:28:34.240 --> 01:28:40.960]  now. And I say, and I count myself for the old folks to do, they keep sending me up carbs and
[01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:49.360]  I keep cutting them up. And I'll be 60 sooner than I really want to be, I guess, if I don't
[01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:58.720]  get shot first, which a lot of people have tried and nobody's succeeded yet. But just remember
[01:29:00.080 --> 01:29:07.440]  that those that went before you are leaving a legacy for you and those that come behind you.
[01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:18.800]  And in 20 years, I hope that you are able to sit and reflect upon this conversation and smile.
[01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:30.960]  And I mean it with every fiber of my body, because what we're doing right now, everybody,
[01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:36.800]  Deborah and everybody means a great deal to everybody that comes after us.
[01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:41.600]  I know I hear the music. I'll shut up and I'll get off the line.
[01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:47.200]  Okay. Thank you, Pat. Very good comments. All right. We've got Gail and Dan. We're
[01:29:47.200 --> 01:29:51.280]  going to go to their calls and we get back on the other side. And Brooke, believe me,
[01:29:51.280 --> 01:29:56.320]  we very much appreciate everything you're doing. We all need each other. We'll be right back.
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[01:31:17.200 --> 01:31:27.200]  Okay, we are back. All right, we're going to your calls.
[01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:36.720]  We've got Dan and Gail and, you know, Brooke, don't get us wrong. We're not telling you you
[01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:41.680]  are in the wrong for anything that you're doing or choosing to do or not to do by any means.
[01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:47.760]  Yeah, and let me apologize to the listeners. I kind of feel like I've kept Brooke on the
[01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:55.440]  defensive, and I didn't mean to. Well, I know y'all are giving advice that you know works,
[01:31:55.440 --> 01:31:59.520]  and, you know, y'all are looking out for me, and like you said, you're picking me up and lifting
[01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:05.360]  me up and trying to help me out. The caller, however, in saying that I'm being a part of the
[01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:10.240]  problem doesn't realize that he's the one being a part of the problem, because when you go around
[01:32:10.240 --> 01:32:14.560]  pointing fingers and saying what you're doing is not right, it's not working, it's no good,
[01:32:15.440 --> 01:32:20.480]  you really just force someone into a situation where they're going to stand there and say that
[01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:24.320]  they're even more right than they were before, and it just creates more conflict, and it doesn't
[01:32:24.320 --> 01:32:29.680]  really get anything resolved. But, I mean, he's speaking his opinion and that's fine.
[01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:35.040]  I think when he said yours, he clearly wasn't meaning you. He meant people in general,
[01:32:35.040 --> 01:32:40.000]  because you are obviously not a part of the problem. You're one of the ones that actually
[01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:44.000]  willing to get off the couch and out in front of the TV and get out and do something,
[01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:49.520]  and if it sounds like we've kind of kept you on the defensive, we certainly didn't mean to.
[01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:56.480]  Well, y'all haven't at all. I mean, I can handle it. It's cool. I'm a soldier. Of course, I can
[01:32:56.480 --> 01:33:02.400]  make it. Okay, then now we're really going to get ugly. Okay, all right, let's go to some calls.
[01:33:02.400 --> 01:33:06.880]  We're going to go to Dan in Connecticut. Dan, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:14.160]  Oh, nothing much. I was listening to tonight's broadcast, and I heard Brooke's story,
[01:33:14.160 --> 01:33:19.200]  and I couldn't help but think of my own little story concerning a similar situation,
[01:33:20.400 --> 01:33:25.680]  and this had to do with the petitioning that we were doing down in New London. I think I
[01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:28.960]  called into your show quite a while ago on it. Do you remember?
[01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:33.040]  Yes, vaguely. It's been a while.
[01:33:33.040 --> 01:33:34.640]  Yeah, I remember you talking about that.
[01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:45.520]  Yeah. Essentially, I'll just say this on the onset. I'm probably not much older than Brooke is, and
[01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:53.040]  I'm pretty sure... And again, we're all not cut out for this. We all
[01:33:53.600 --> 01:34:01.520]  handle this according to what we're built to do. But essentially, the attitude I took into this
[01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:09.040]  was as such, anybody who is willing to take a bullet for my rights, my life, my liberty,
[01:34:09.040 --> 01:34:16.640]  my property, he or she is my friend. Anybody on the opposite end of that who is willing to go
[01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:23.280]  against that is... I would consider an enemy, and I don't discriminate based on uniform,
[01:34:23.280 --> 01:34:31.920]  based on rank, based on office or whatnot and so forth. That's the attitude I adopted.
[01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:40.160]  I can understand how people would have a certain predisposition toward what you would call law
[01:34:40.160 --> 01:34:47.200]  enforcement and what I hope would eventually become peace officers. That's what I'm looking for.
[01:34:47.200 --> 01:34:52.880]  But essentially, I had a similar situation. I was petitioning to get on the ballot for U.S.
[01:34:52.880 --> 01:35:00.320]  Congress, and we will be doing this again this year. I didn't really sit there and talk to this
[01:35:00.320 --> 01:35:06.560]  officer and say, well, I know my rights, and this is the First Amendment, and yada, yada, and so
[01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:14.000]  forth. I started asking questions. Under what authority are you telling me I cannot petition
[01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:21.360]  for the ballot on a public street? No, it didn't take long before this guy realized that there is
[01:35:21.360 --> 01:35:28.640]  some kind of a fundamental problem to what he was doing. I'm very happy how it turned out,
[01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:32.960]  because eventually this peace officer, and I'm going to call him a peace officer, not a law
[01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:41.120]  enforcement officer, because that's what he was, he realized what was going on. This was a particular
[01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:48.720]  situation where it didn't initially affect me. I just decided, look, you have these other
[01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:55.600]  petitioners working to get Ralph Nader on the ballot. I mean, disagreements of positions aside,
[01:35:57.120 --> 01:36:02.560]  I figured, look, I should probably get myself involved and say, you know, what's going on here?
[01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:09.920]  Because if it's not them, it's going to be me next. And eventually this peace officer realized
[01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:18.160]  exactly what the situation was, you know, in that there was no need, or no reason, or even authority
[01:36:18.160 --> 01:36:23.680]  to say that petitioners could not petition on a public street to get a candidate into office.
[01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:30.720]  So what I would say to Brooke is that if you adopt that attitude going in,
[01:36:32.240 --> 01:36:37.120]  at least for me, it really seems to work, and it's a big game changer.
[01:36:37.120 --> 01:36:46.640]  Cool. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Well, let me make an observation.
[01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:54.880]  You keep doing what you're doing, do what you do well. And those of us who like going in and
[01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:00.560]  kicking their behinds, we'll go in and kick their behinds, because if I was doing what you were doing,
[01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:09.280]  I wouldn't do it well. And you need to stay with your focus. And because if you tried to do what
[01:37:09.280 --> 01:37:17.600]  I'm doing, you'd probably screw it up. Because you're not built for it. You're not mad enough.
[01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:25.600]  But just my way of saying, I do appreciate what you're doing. And I do understand that
[01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:34.320]  what I'm proposing, on its surface, it sounds terrifying. But the reason I push it so hard
[01:37:34.320 --> 01:37:39.200]  is as I found out that once you get in there and find out how it really works,
[01:37:40.240 --> 01:37:44.480]  it's not near so frightening after all. I know, but let's not operate off of the
[01:37:44.480 --> 01:37:48.720]  notion that I'm actually afraid, because that's really not the case. I mean, I just went out there
[01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:54.160]  with a bullhorn on the front lines and yelled in an office meeting, and I was like, I'm sorry,
[01:37:54.160 --> 01:37:59.440]  I just went out there with a bullhorn on the front lines and yelled in an officer's face that what
[01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:06.800]  he was doing was comparable to what's going on in Nazi Germany. And I knew the repercussions of what
[01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:12.480]  I was saying, that I could go to jail that day, and it was fine. I wasn't afraid to go to jail
[01:38:12.480 --> 01:38:20.960]  that day, and I'm not afraid to go back. I don't want to put myself in a situation or put myself
[01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:27.040]  if I'm effective in the court, it can lead to long-term indefinite jail time. And it's not that
[01:38:27.040 --> 01:38:32.000]  I'm afraid to go so much as that I'd really like to be out here working on the front lines for as
[01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:37.280]  long as possible. But I just don't want to be pigeonholed into that, oh, she's afraid deal,
[01:38:37.280 --> 01:38:41.760]  because I'm not. If I got to go to jail, if that's my fate, then I'll go to jail, and I'll make the
[01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:47.120]  best of it, and I'll come out on the other end. But I just, I don't want to run up there and put
[01:38:47.120 --> 01:38:51.200]  my hands together behind my back and let them just throw me in at the same time.
[01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:59.040]  Well, I can appreciate that. Different people have different focus, and we're good at different
[01:38:59.040 --> 01:39:06.000]  things. At what you're doing, I would suck really bad. So I'm better at doing what I'm doing.
[01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:16.720]  And Eddie and I, we work better one-on-one and up close. We do have one more caller.
[01:39:17.440 --> 01:39:23.120]  Do you have anything else for us, Dan? Yeah, I just want to echo Randy's sentiment here,
[01:39:23.120 --> 01:39:31.200]  because believe it or not, I guess I'm another one of those one-on-one type of people that,
[01:39:31.200 --> 01:39:37.760]  you know, I could pretty much just take that kind of thing. And I'm really, it's not that I'm not
[01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:45.520]  afraid of it, because honestly, I very much am. And I think, you know, once we start discussing
[01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:50.960]  fear, you know, we kind of go to the old saying that I think Mark Kornke made, if you argue with
[01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:59.360]  the toilet, it's going to back up. If you argue with a bear, he's going to eat you. So pretty much
[01:39:59.360 --> 01:40:04.400]  it's just the question of moving forward. And I really think Brooke is doing the right thing.
[01:40:05.200 --> 01:40:11.040]  And I don't, you know, I've never even suspected remotely that she's been afraid of anything. But
[01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:17.680]  I do want to say, Randy, Deborah, there's a lot of merit in what you're saying. And I've seen it
[01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:23.760]  in my own personal experience, because I've used it. And it's worked. And it's been so effective
[01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:30.800]  that I've never even needed to go to court. So as far as that goes, I'll let you take other callers.
[01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:34.800]  And as far as Brooke goes, keep up the good work, you know, give them help.
[01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:36.160]  Thank you.
[01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:42.400]  Yeah. And Brooke, I honestly think that you're mistaken what Randy said is the word afraid.
[01:40:43.200 --> 01:40:48.960]  I don't really think afraid is the proper classification. You're just more wary
[01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:53.120]  about possible consequences, because you haven't faced them the same way we have.
[01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:59.920]  So you're more worried about a particular outcome rather than a result. I know the result you're
[01:40:59.920 --> 01:41:05.920]  expecting to get. And it's just more of a matter of there are certain unwanted results that you're
[01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:13.120]  more willing to avoid. And we've learned to expect them, because they can't be avoided doing what we
[01:41:13.120 --> 01:41:19.040]  do. They're either going to be an eventuality because they want to throw their weight around,
[01:41:19.040 --> 01:41:23.760]  or they're going to be something that we actually never suffer through because we were actually
[01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:29.600]  successful. And that's the risk we know we face doing it the way that we do it. So please don't
[01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:36.640]  take the term afraid to mean that we think that you're not willing to go through whatever means
[01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:43.600]  is necessary. It's just that we accept a different level of risk in our particular methods. So please
[01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:45.520]  just understand it from that perspective.
[01:41:46.480 --> 01:41:51.040]  It's not it's not about worry either, though. It's about being educated about what they're doing and
[01:41:51.040 --> 01:41:57.920]  looking at it, I feel as it is, which is that they could come right now and put me in cuffs and put
[01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:02.880]  me away. And that would be the end of me. And everybody on the planet could rally together.
[01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:09.840]  And, you know, they just wouldn't do anything about it. So, I mean, I don't know, I'm not worried.
[01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:16.480]  That's not a, you know, not fearful, not worried. It's just, I see what's going on. And I'm,
[01:42:16.480 --> 01:42:21.520]  I'm fighting it the best way that I know how. I'm always open for the possibility that there's a
[01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:25.920]  better way that I could do it. I'm just, I'm just not sure if that applies here being that there's
[01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:30.160]  a whole other solution where I can just go in and be like, Hey, guys, great job, you know, to the
[01:42:30.160 --> 01:42:34.720]  ones who are doing a good job. And then I feel like I get a better reputation. Build a rapport
[01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:38.880]  with them like Catherine and John are doing going to the fusion centers. They're showing up and
[01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:44.240]  saying, Hi, there was a report written that says that I am a domestic terrorist, but look at me.
[01:42:44.240 --> 01:42:50.240]  I'm kind of harmless, aren't I? In my cute little dress and, and heels. I don't really look like a
[01:42:50.240 --> 01:42:54.480]  terrorist, do I? You know, and they're like, no, you don't. They're like, well, just so you know,
[01:42:54.480 --> 01:42:59.440]  you know, we're peaceful people. And, you know, they, they've got a good response with that.
[01:42:59.440 --> 01:43:08.960]  I think that method works. All right. Well, thank you, Dan. Thank you for the comments.
[01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:14.320]  Oh, not a problem. I, I just figured it's, it's really important to bear that in mind. And you
[01:43:14.320 --> 01:43:19.440]  know, with the right attitude of, you know, Hey, if you're willing to take a bullet for my life,
[01:43:19.440 --> 01:43:25.840]  liberty of property, you're my friend. And, you know, it's, it's really encouraging to me to see
[01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:30.480]  people that are, you know, in, in my generation, which, you know, Brooke applies to, which
[01:43:31.120 --> 01:43:36.480]  Catherine blush applies to, which John Bush applies to, you know, there are a lot more of us than
[01:43:36.480 --> 01:43:40.960]  we really give credit for. So I just want to say that in closing. All right. Thank you, Dan.
[01:43:42.080 --> 01:43:47.840]  All right. When we get back, we're going to go to Gail from Minnesota. Gail has a really good story
[01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:53.840]  that's on point with this topic. We'll be right back. This is the rule of law with a very special
[01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.720]  guest, Brooke Kelly. We'll be right back.
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[01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:24.480]  Okay. We are back. We're in our final segment with our special guest, Brooke Kelly
[01:45:25.200 --> 01:45:34.000]  with simplyseekingeden.com. We're going to go to Gail in Minnesota. Gail, I understand you have a
[01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:39.200]  really, really great story that's on topic right on point here. Tell us the scoop.
[01:45:39.200 --> 01:45:49.360]  Well, I would guess that would probably be my court, my last court appearance when I was going
[01:45:49.360 --> 01:45:58.240]  in to try to stave off receivership and liquidation of our company's finances. My husband has got,
[01:45:58.240 --> 01:46:06.320]  I found out like four lawsuits that are going on. It's like Vulture is going to the carcass. He
[01:46:06.320 --> 01:46:11.040]  led everything out of our company and he's letting all these financial institutions go
[01:46:11.040 --> 01:46:17.360]  and sell off all the assets. Well, the problem is I believe that the children and I have preceding
[01:46:17.360 --> 01:46:23.840]  property rights because the property division of the divorce was slated prior to any of the contracts
[01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:28.880]  that he entered into. Wait a minute, Gail. Wait a minute. Sure. You're starting in the middle.
[01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:38.320]  Gail's in a long-term contentious divorce with her husband. After the divorce was filed,
[01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:48.560]  her husband put up property that belonged to Gail as collateral on a loan and it appears as though
[01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:57.120]  she forged her name to the documents. Now he's defaulted on the loans and the banks were moving
[01:46:57.120 --> 01:47:05.120]  in to take the collateral and Gail went down and filed a, she found out at the last minute,
[01:47:05.120 --> 01:47:11.840]  right, the last day. She went down to file a motion for intervention and tell what happened there.
[01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:18.960]  Well, they didn't want to let me speak and my husband and his attorney didn't even show up.
[01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:25.680]  It was pretty suspicious looking. They, the banks fought and said that I had no right as
[01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:30.320]  an intervener because I had no interest in any of the loans or anything they did.
[01:47:31.120 --> 01:47:38.240]  So the judge that was on the case at that time, she finally said that she wouldn't,
[01:47:38.240 --> 01:47:47.920]  she refused to allow me. I had papers, I had taken a packet to file on that judge to have her serve
[01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:54.720]  to the former of the grand jury and I had taken that and I'd taken two motions, the motion for
[01:47:54.720 --> 01:48:02.000]  intervener and a motion to request convening of a grand jury. The judge wouldn't even let me. I
[01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:09.040]  asked permission to approach the bench when I first stood up and interrupted the pre-trial or
[01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:14.960]  the trial, whatever it was, the hearing and she refused. She said, absolutely not, you can't
[01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:19.760]  approach the bench and I started to go to the clerk to hand the documents to the clerk and she
[01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:25.760]  told me to back away from the clerk and not to approach her. So I ended up having, she made me
[01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:31.520]  sit down at the bar table and all I was there to do was file a motion and she told me, she ended
[01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:37.040]  up telling me, asking me what my rights, what I felt my rights were, which I told her and then
[01:48:37.040 --> 01:48:43.680]  she told me I had to go down the hall and file the motion to even see if I could file a motion for
[01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:49.600]  intervener and then she said that she would not, I asked for a state of proceedings until after the
[01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:55.040]  divorce hearing and property division, she refused. She said she would continue that hearing until
[01:48:55.840 --> 01:49:02.640]  one more business day later, which ended up being Tuesday and so I went back in on Tuesday
[01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:09.120]  and I went in with... Wait a minute, wait a minute. Go ahead. You left something out. Go ahead. She
[01:49:09.120 --> 01:49:15.920]  went in on Friday and accused him in court of forging signatures and fraud and all sorts of
[01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:27.360]  stuff. Yeah. Monday, she gets a, gets served by a process server with a response from the bank's
[01:49:27.360 --> 01:49:33.680]  attorneys. Right. These guys had to work all weekend to get that out, got her served Monday.
[01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:39.360]  Okay. And then tell them about what happened Tuesday. That was interesting. Oh, Tuesday,
[01:49:39.360 --> 01:49:49.120]  I went in and nobody was there again, Tuesday. Tuesday, I went in and they changed up the judges
[01:49:49.120 --> 01:49:57.120]  to begin with. They put a really hard, hard judge on and the other one was already hard, but I took
[01:49:57.120 --> 01:50:01.920]  my mosh and my paperwork and documents and this time, since I knew I was going to get to speak,
[01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:07.120]  I just walked over to the clerk and put them all, handed them to the clerk and as that judge was
[01:50:07.120 --> 01:50:16.880]  looking at me, I said on the record, I said, I have just filed into the record some documents
[01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:25.120]  in support of my motion for intervention and also order for convening a grand jury and then I just
[01:50:25.120 --> 01:50:30.560]  started reading very quickly my first document before the judge could say something, but I also
[01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:38.320]  handed the clerk this packet that was sealed for the same packet for the grand jury and it said
[01:50:38.320 --> 01:50:42.880]  for the eyes of the former grand jury on it, but I had it under everything else so she couldn't see
[01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:49.760]  it and the folder on top said, judge's copy, which had the judge's copy of my motions and so
[01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:55.680]  the clerk handed everything to the judge and the judge, while I'm talking, I'm watching the judge's
[01:50:55.680 --> 01:51:02.800]  face and she just goes, her face just dropped. She looked at the packet and she put it away from her
[01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:07.680]  and then she stuck it on the edge and she stopped me and she said, excuse me, you need to take this
[01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:12.720]  back. Oh, Randy, I don't want to tell, you tell because it was so upsetting and it took so long.
[01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:21.120]  They held me hostage in there because I wouldn't take the package back and she ended up calling
[01:51:21.120 --> 01:51:26.960]  a sheriff in. There was a deputy that came in and this is a financial courtroom that mostly just
[01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:32.720]  does default. It's white collar crime. She called this deputy in that had given me a hard time before.
[01:51:32.720 --> 01:51:39.600]  She came in and stood by the door with her hand on her gun staring at me and I just knew the judge
[01:51:39.600 --> 01:51:44.960]  was going to throw me in jail, but it's like, I knew if I walked out of there with that packet,
[01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:53.440]  I just lost and I'd probably never have that opportunity again. It's like, I really respect
[01:51:53.440 --> 01:51:59.440]  what Debra, what you and Randy do because it isn't easy and it's not fun when you're doing it.
[01:51:59.440 --> 01:52:05.360]  At least for me, it isn't fun, but it's more like a life or death thing. It's kind of like a bungee
[01:52:05.360 --> 01:52:14.640]  jump without the cord, but it's like you know you have to do it because it's right. She told me,
[01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:19.120]  you have two choices. You either take that with you or you say on the record that you are leaving
[01:52:19.120 --> 01:52:24.720]  it here to be shredded and I said to her, but it's for the grand jury and she said,
[01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:29.840]  this is not the proper channel. You have not filed it timely. You have not served it properly. This
[01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:35.680]  is not served. This is not filed and your other paper isn't served and I'm just like, oh man.
[01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:40.000]  She said, you need to go down and go through the county prosecutor and she rattled on and I said,
[01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:44.880]  I understand that you're saying that's the normal procedure, but it's my understanding that when I
[01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:50.240]  invoke your duties as a magistrate, then it's your responsibility to make sure that it gets to the
[01:52:50.240 --> 01:52:56.400]  grand jury. I thought she was going to come and rip my eyes out. She came. She said, you come get
[01:52:56.400 --> 01:53:03.280]  this. I said, I really don't want to take that back and she said, clerk, come take this and give
[01:53:03.280 --> 01:53:09.840]  this to that woman and the clerk came running over and I put stuff in my hand and just looked at her
[01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:13.440]  like a deer in the headlight so she couldn't hand it to me. She starts laying it on my bag.
[01:53:13.440 --> 01:53:18.320]  So I pulled my bag out from under and I slid away from her. The packet just hit the table
[01:53:18.320 --> 01:53:24.560]  and the judge is going, let the record reflect that that is not served properly and that package
[01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:29.440]  that's taped and sealed that says for the eyes of the court, I'm like, thank you for saying that
[01:53:29.440 --> 01:53:35.440]  because I forgot to say that and get it on the record and she said that that is here and it'll
[01:53:35.440 --> 01:53:41.920]  only be shredded and thrown away. You understand that will be thrown away. She said, you're not
[01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:47.760]  leaving here without that and I just looked at her and she said, you have two choices. Are you
[01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:53.280]  taking it or are you telling me that you're leaving it here for me to shred? And I looked at her and I
[01:53:53.280 --> 01:53:59.440]  said, you know, I really need to think about this because I don't do this every day like you do so
[01:53:59.440 --> 01:54:02.800]  I don't really know exactly what I'm going to do. So I think I need to go outside and think about
[01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:06.720]  it for a little bit. She goes, you have five minutes. You get back in my courtroom in five
[01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:11.120]  minutes. You are not leaving here until you make one of those two decisions. They went out there
[01:54:11.120 --> 01:54:16.080]  and I was like panicking. I was like, you know what, what am I going to do? I was just seeing my kids,
[01:54:16.080 --> 01:54:20.320]  we're already getting evicted. I already haven't had money from my husband for eight checks.
[01:54:20.320 --> 01:54:24.720]  I'm thinking, now I'm going to be in jail and the kids, what are they going to do? And I thought,
[01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:30.320]  you know what, I can only do what's right. I have to do what's right. I went back in and I told her,
[01:54:30.320 --> 01:54:35.680]  you know, because before that she had said, what are you going to do? She said, I'm going to shred
[01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:41.120]  it. I go, well, you know what, it's not in my hands what you do with something like this after
[01:54:41.120 --> 01:54:45.120]  I hit. She goes, no, no, no, we are not going there. You're either going to take it or you're
[01:54:45.120 --> 01:54:49.680]  telling me you're leaving it with me to shred it. So when I went back inside, I said again, I said,
[01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:56.400]  you know, I brought this in. It's for the grand jury. I'm invoking your duties as a magistrate
[01:54:56.400 --> 01:55:00.720]  to give it to the grand jury. And if you're not going to, she started just yelling. And it was
[01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:09.040]  before this that she brought that deputy in to intimidate me. And it was working. But she said,
[01:55:09.040 --> 01:55:16.480]  you need to take that. And I said to her, I said, you know, I am not going to be taking it with me.
[01:55:16.480 --> 01:55:21.920]  And so what you decide to do, I guess, is in your hands, but I won't be taking that with me.
[01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:26.560]  And I turned around and walked out of the door. I was shaken, but it's like,
[01:55:29.360 --> 01:55:35.360]  I thought I really thought she was going to throw me in jail. I thought she was.
[01:55:35.360 --> 01:55:39.680]  And then I went down the hall. We left. And then I had to turn around and come back because I
[01:55:39.680 --> 01:55:45.200]  realized after she said what she did about that wasn't filed, my motion wasn't filed, she said,
[01:55:45.200 --> 01:55:49.040]  you have no right to walk in here and think you can lay papers down with the clerk and you think
[01:55:49.040 --> 01:55:54.400]  that they're filed in the courtroom. They are not. And I thought, oh, my goodness. So I went and took
[01:55:54.400 --> 01:56:00.240]  two more copies of the motion to convene a grand jury. And we beat it right down to the other end
[01:56:00.240 --> 01:56:06.160]  of the courthouse before the judge was out of the courtroom. And I filed it at the other end
[01:56:06.160 --> 01:56:10.080]  and got it stamped. Oh, it took them about 10 minutes to decide they were going to file it,
[01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:16.560]  to stamp it at least. But I got it stamped so that before the judge could tell them not to.
[01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:21.360]  The very next day, I get a letter saying that the head of the administrative of the court
[01:56:24.480 --> 01:56:31.120]  has filed that for me but that I have to call for a hearing. I think it's a hearing on the motion
[01:56:31.120 --> 01:56:36.720]  for convening a grand jury. But one thing I didn't tell you yet, Randy, was I did the
[01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:42.960]  declarations of service today. And I decided, you know what, just to cover my butt in that
[01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:48.000]  whole thing in the courtroom, because I've already had transcripts changed from two different judges.
[01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:55.920]  And I've watched papers disappear from my court files, from the clerks. And I thought, you know,
[01:56:55.920 --> 01:57:01.760]  it's going to happen. These judges, everybody here is so darn corrupt. So in one of my declarations
[01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:08.480]  of service, I put down there, I hereby declare that on the 19th day of January, AD 2010,
[01:57:08.480 --> 01:57:13.280]  a sealed, taped package containing documents and evidence marked for the eyes of the former
[01:57:13.280 --> 01:57:19.440]  of the grand jury was presented to Judge Karen J. Ospaugh, the clerk of the court in open court,
[01:57:19.440 --> 01:57:25.280]  for a presentment to grand jury under invoking of Judge Ospaugh's duties as a magistrate to present
[01:57:25.280 --> 01:57:31.600]  to grand jury at Dakota County First Judicial District Courthouse, 1560 Highway 55, Hastings,
[01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:38.560]  Minnesota. And I thought, when they get that tomorrow, fur is going to fly. But I don't know
[01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:44.720]  what else to do. That's awesome, Gail. That is beautiful. That's a beautiful story. I love it.
[01:57:44.720 --> 01:57:49.920]  That kicked butt or what? Very good. Yay! Well, I'll tell you, I mean, it's just like,
[01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:56.240]  I told Randall, man, you guys, how do you live with all this adrenaline? Because it's like,
[01:57:56.240 --> 01:58:04.880]  I don't think I can keep taking this. I told someone the other day that Gail calls me and she
[01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:12.240]  takes up a lot of my time. But she earns every minute of it. Because what I tell her to do,
[01:58:12.240 --> 01:58:16.640]  she does. Gail, that's beautiful. Brooke, didn't you think that was a beautiful story?
[01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:24.320]  Oh, straight for her. Because it's not something I'm planning on doing now. All that fight over
[01:58:24.320 --> 01:58:29.440]  paying for work is just not… It's a fight over her kids. You don't know the story. It's a fight
[01:58:29.440 --> 01:58:34.240]  over her children. She's trying to get her children back. What's the price of freedom? What is
[01:58:34.240 --> 01:58:39.280]  freedom worth to you? Because you know what? If you don't take the steps now, I know that Brooke
[01:58:39.280 --> 01:58:45.280]  said that she didn't want to have people coming after her or something like that. They could come
[01:58:45.280 --> 01:58:50.000]  after her for doing things. But the thing is, they'll be coming after you if you don't do it.
[01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:53.920]  Yeah, and this is a fight for her children, her children's freedom as well. All right, listen,
[01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:57.600]  we're at the end of the show. We'll be back tomorrow night with Mike Amir. Stay tuned for
[01:58:57.600 --> 01:59:02.480]  Endless Fraud and Texting. God bless you. This is Randall Kelton from Rule of Law Radio.
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