[00:00.000 --> 00:10.560] A lawsuit filed against Goldman Sachs by a shareholder alleges the company spent more [00:10.560 --> 00:15.160] money on corporate bonuses than it earned in 2008. [00:15.160 --> 00:21.560] Ken Brown's lawsuit states Goldman gave out $4.8 billion in bonuses despite earnings of [00:21.560 --> 00:24.520] only $2.3 billion. [00:24.520 --> 00:31.480] The lawsuit further alleges the company spent 259% of its income on compensation in the [00:31.480 --> 00:34.320] first quarter of 2009. [00:34.320 --> 00:39.920] California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger asked for $7 billion in federal funds in his [00:39.920 --> 00:45.120] state budget proposal Friday and warned that state health and welfare programs would be [00:45.120 --> 00:47.360] threatened without the emergency help. [00:47.360 --> 00:53.720] Schwarzenegger's proposed $83 billion budget for the coming fiscal year would close a $20 [00:53.720 --> 00:57.360] billion shortfall over 18 months. 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[03:59.520 --> 04:15.120] What are you going to do when we question you on the witness stand? [04:15.120 --> 04:21.800] That's what we're going to be talking about tonight, how to question the poll on the witness [04:21.800 --> 04:22.800] stand. [04:22.800 --> 04:28.680] So, Eddie's got some material put together to discuss that tonight. [04:28.680 --> 04:29.680] Go ahead, Eddie. [04:29.680 --> 04:30.680] Good evening, everybody. [04:30.680 --> 04:34.160] I hope everybody's doing well this Monday night and had a good weekend. [04:34.160 --> 04:38.560] Actually, the first thing I want to get into is what Randy and I were discussing today [04:38.560 --> 04:46.480] over Code of Criminal Procedure Article 15.17 and 1516 and so on and so forth. [04:46.480 --> 04:53.440] What these chapters do is these chapters deal with the, what do you call it, Randy, the [04:53.440 --> 04:57.320] issuing of a warrant for arrest. [04:57.320 --> 05:00.080] Public jurisdiction. [05:00.080 --> 05:02.000] Who has it, how they get it. [05:02.000 --> 05:08.400] Okay, and in 1517, you're given the information on duties of arresting officer and magistrate. [05:08.400 --> 05:13.000] Now, I'm going to read just the first part of subsection A here to you. [05:13.000 --> 05:17.840] In each case enumerated in this code, the person making the arrest or the person having [05:17.840 --> 05:24.600] custody of the person arrested shall without unnecessary delay, but not later than 48 hours [05:24.600 --> 05:29.720] after the person is arrested, take the person arrested or have him taken before some magistrate [05:29.720 --> 05:35.400] of the county where the accused was arrested or to provide more expeditiously to the person [05:35.400 --> 05:40.280] arrested the warnings described by this article before a magistrate in any other county of [05:40.280 --> 05:41.840] this state. [05:41.840 --> 05:47.480] Now, there's one thing that I haven't brought forth on this and discussed it in part with [05:47.480 --> 05:52.660] Randy, but if you'll notice right here in this section, it specifically says a magistrate [05:52.660 --> 05:59.440] of the county, not within the county, but of the county, okay? [05:59.440 --> 06:07.260] Now, basically a mayor is a magistrate, municipal court judges are magistrates, JP's are magistrates, [06:07.260 --> 06:09.840] county and district court judges are magistrates. [06:09.840 --> 06:12.560] Did I miss anybody, Randy? [06:12.560 --> 06:19.680] Appeals, Supreme Court, Court of Criminal Appeals, every judge is a magistrate, also [06:19.680 --> 06:26.120] mayors and they list court record, they list recorders, but nobody seems to know what the [06:26.120 --> 06:30.320] recorder is and I believe that's the city secretary. [06:30.320 --> 06:38.160] Okay, all right, so given that this says a magistrate of the county, not in the county, [06:38.160 --> 06:46.120] of the county, to me that would automatically eliminate the municipal court judge, automatically [06:46.120 --> 06:52.560] eliminate them, which means the only other magistrates available are the JP's, district [06:52.560 --> 06:59.040] court, county court or what other type of court you've got available, but it excludes [06:59.040 --> 07:04.520] the municipal court because a municipal judge is not a magistrate of the county, they are [07:04.520 --> 07:07.280] a magistrate of the city. [07:07.280 --> 07:09.760] Wait a minute, let me, we didn't discuss this, but... [07:09.760 --> 07:13.800] No, we didn't, but I'm just hypothesizing here, I'm not saying that's the way it actually [07:13.800 --> 07:16.240] works, but I'm going by the language. [07:16.240 --> 07:22.440] A magistrate is a different animal than a judge, judges don't really always understand [07:22.440 --> 07:29.400] that, they think they're judges, like when you first step before them after a ticket, [07:29.400 --> 07:35.160] he thinks he's a judge, he's not, he's a magistrate in that circumstance, if you get arrested [07:35.160 --> 07:40.800] and they take you before this guy that thinks he's a judge, he's not a judge, he's a magistrate, [07:40.800 --> 07:46.520] anytime you put a criminal complaint in a judge's head, he stops being a judge, he becomes [07:46.520 --> 07:53.440] a magistrate and it makes no difference where he's at in the state of Texas, he can hear, [07:53.440 --> 07:58.840] he can even hear complaints when he's out of his own jurisdiction. [07:58.840 --> 08:04.560] Well here's the prong of why I'm hypothesizing in this way, on one of the shows way back [08:04.560 --> 08:09.360] when before I actually became associated as one of the co-hosts here, we had a discussion [08:09.360 --> 08:15.480] on air one night about who is an officer, and not only who is an officer, but what is [08:15.480 --> 08:20.480] a magistrate or judge required to do as far as an oath when they're sitting on a bench [08:20.480 --> 08:27.440] outside of their normal jurisdiction, certain judges if they go from place to place must [08:27.440 --> 08:35.200] retake the oath to sit on that bench, if it is not their regular normal jurisdiction, [08:35.200 --> 08:40.000] so let's consider that for a moment when we address the municipal court judge. [08:40.000 --> 08:45.200] If this is saying that you have to be taken to a magistrate of the county, does the municipal [08:45.200 --> 08:49.000] judge have jurisdiction of the county? [08:49.000 --> 08:54.720] No they do not, their jurisdiction is limited to the ordinances of the city. [08:54.720 --> 09:01.480] No wait, okay the judge doesn't, but when the judge shifts hats to the magistrate, he [09:01.480 --> 09:02.480] does. [09:02.480 --> 09:12.240] Attorney General opinion H500 goes to that exact question, and Mr. Kelton you know what [09:12.240 --> 09:15.360] you can do with an attorney general's opinion in this court. [09:15.360 --> 09:21.640] Yes, but I hope you don't find the underlying stare decisis quite so versatile. [09:21.640 --> 09:31.680] Well what it says is that any magistrate can hear any complaint felony or misdemeanor state [09:31.680 --> 09:37.440] or federal, and that's all they get to do though is just hear the complaint, find probable [09:37.440 --> 09:42.200] cause and then send it to whatever court it goes to, they can't do anything else, but [09:42.200 --> 09:49.760] only in that limited sense does he have this expanded jurisdiction, only when he's a magistrate. [09:49.760 --> 09:55.040] Now along with that I want you to also notice that this says in this section that the person [09:55.040 --> 10:00.360] is to be taken immediately before a magistrate. [10:00.360 --> 10:05.360] They don't get to wait the 48 hours as they say they can automatically. [10:05.360 --> 10:16.600] There has to be jail and throwing you behind the door and locking it until they can locate [10:16.600 --> 10:22.440] a magistrate is not acceptable, because they're required to take you to one. [10:22.440 --> 10:26.320] If they take you to the local magistrate and that local magistrate is not there, what does [10:26.320 --> 10:27.440] this say do? [10:27.440 --> 10:31.880] In order to protect the rights of the person arrested, you take them to the next nearest [10:31.880 --> 10:32.880] magistrate. [10:32.880 --> 10:38.320] You don't throw them in jail to wait, you take them to the next guy. [10:38.320 --> 10:44.080] The case law says there shall be no set time limit. [10:44.080 --> 10:49.020] An officer's only defense against an allegation of false imprisonment for failure to timely [10:49.020 --> 10:55.320] take before a magistrate is a showing of due diligence and effort to locate. [10:55.320 --> 10:56.920] Which they don't do. [10:56.920 --> 10:57.920] All right? [10:57.920 --> 10:58.920] Get that in your minds. [10:58.920 --> 11:01.360] They don't do it. [11:01.360 --> 11:08.040] Now what that brings us to is subsection B of Code of Criminal Procedure Article 1517. [11:08.040 --> 11:16.480] Subsection B specifically states, after an accused charged with a misdemeanor punishable [11:16.480 --> 11:23.440] by fine only is taken before a magistrate under subsection A of this article and the [11:23.440 --> 11:28.400] magistrate has identified the accused with certainty, the magistrate may release the [11:28.400 --> 11:33.620] accused without bond and order the accused to appear at a later date for arraignment [11:33.620 --> 11:38.760] in the county court or statutory county court. [11:38.760 --> 11:40.720] Now what does this mean? [11:40.720 --> 11:46.000] This means that the officer, if he takes you before the magistrate, the magistrate identifies [11:46.000 --> 11:47.000] you. [11:47.000 --> 11:51.720] The magistrate then can then release you on bond, but as long as that magistrate is in [11:51.720 --> 11:58.840] a JP or municipal court, they have lost jurists or any court other than the county court or [11:58.840 --> 12:01.120] the statutory county court. [12:01.120 --> 12:07.360] That court has no jurisdiction to hear that case, period. [12:07.360 --> 12:13.120] Their purpose was solely to identify you, notify you of when to appear in the county [12:13.120 --> 12:16.600] or statutory county court and that's the end of it for them. [12:16.600 --> 12:20.400] They cannot hear the case. [12:20.400 --> 12:27.360] This completely removes the possibility of a municipal court from hearing a traffic case. [12:27.360 --> 12:34.640] It completely removes the possibility of a justice court from hearing a traffic case. [12:34.640 --> 12:39.160] It is set up very plainly right here in the language of the statute. [12:39.160 --> 12:44.400] These courts must have you report to the county court or the statutory county court. [12:44.400 --> 12:46.240] They have no more jurisdiction. [12:46.240 --> 12:50.640] The same thing would apply if they issued a warrant. [12:50.640 --> 12:54.400] I want to start a fight. [12:54.400 --> 12:58.160] Chapter 15 goes to arrest with a warrant. [12:58.160 --> 13:03.960] Now what you read in chapter 1516A is reflected- 1517A. [13:03.960 --> 13:07.880] Oh, so you're a 17, okay. [13:07.880 --> 13:11.960] What you read first about when they're arrested, they must be taken before a magistrate. [13:11.960 --> 13:12.960] That's 1516. [13:12.960 --> 13:21.880] What I read first was 1517, 1516, it deals with the officer executing the warrant of [13:21.880 --> 13:22.880] arrest. [13:22.880 --> 13:26.760] Yeah, that's what you read, that they must take them before a magistrate within 48 hours, [13:26.760 --> 13:29.280] immediately but no later than 48 hours. [13:29.280 --> 13:32.080] It's in both places, but yeah, go ahead. [13:32.080 --> 13:33.080] Okay. [13:33.080 --> 13:38.560] That's reflected in 1406 as well and 1406 goes to arrest without a warrant. [13:38.560 --> 13:39.560] Right. [13:39.560 --> 13:40.560] That's what I'm going to next. [13:40.560 --> 13:45.680] Okay, so here's our problem with chapter 15. [13:45.680 --> 13:49.840] It goes to arrest with a warrant. [13:49.840 --> 14:01.560] So now 14.06 must take offender before a magistrate and 1406 is arrest without a warrant, okay? [14:01.560 --> 14:06.680] 14 is arrest without a warrant and again we're still in the Code of Criminal Procedure, article [14:06.680 --> 14:08.680] 14.06. [14:08.680 --> 14:14.320] Chapter Section A, except as otherwise provided by this article, in each case enumerated in [14:14.320 --> 14:21.840] this code, now get this, in each case enumerated in this code, the person making the arrest [14:21.840 --> 14:26.040] or the person having custody of the person arrested shall take the person arrested or [14:26.040 --> 14:31.960] have him taken without unnecessary delay, but not later than 48 hours after the person [14:31.960 --> 14:37.000] is arrested before the magistrate who may have ordered the arrest, before some magistrate [14:37.000 --> 14:42.180] of the county where the arrest was made without an order, or to provide more expeditiously [14:42.180 --> 14:47.800] to the person arrested the warnings inscribed by article 1517 of this code before a magistrate [14:47.800 --> 14:50.200] in any other county of this state. [14:50.200 --> 14:54.640] The magistrate shall immediately perform the duties described in article 15.17 of this [14:54.640 --> 14:56.680] code. [14:56.680 --> 15:05.460] They never, ever do this in a traffic case, never. [15:05.460 --> 15:11.240] You either get a ticket, get released, if you sign it, or you go to jail, and at their [15:11.240 --> 15:15.400] convenience are you taken before a judge, and that's just it. [15:15.400 --> 15:21.620] You're taken before a judge, not a magistrate, but a judge who should be acting as a magistrate [15:21.620 --> 15:23.280] but is not. [15:23.280 --> 15:30.960] He thinks he's now there to take your plea, and you need to be aware that's not the way [15:30.960 --> 15:36.840] it works, and you need to hold him to that, bind him down with the rules as Mr. Graves [15:36.840 --> 15:37.840] says. [15:37.840 --> 15:41.040] You keep the judge bound by the rules he must follow. [15:41.040 --> 15:44.960] Well, these are part of the rules he must follow. [15:44.960 --> 15:50.120] If you don't know these, you're going to get hurt, okay? [15:50.120 --> 15:51.800] You got to understand that. [15:51.800 --> 15:54.620] The Code of Criminal Procedure is not hard to understand. [15:54.620 --> 15:59.480] The very first part of it, the language specifically states it is not only written for those that [15:59.480 --> 16:05.000] are to enforce and enact the laws the way that they do, it is written so that the person [16:05.000 --> 16:11.640] whose rights they affect can also be easily understood, okay? [16:11.640 --> 16:13.640] This is not complicated. [16:13.640 --> 16:18.400] These sections of statute are actually written in a much clearer fashion than, say, the transportation [16:18.400 --> 16:22.600] code, so they're not difficult to figure out. [16:22.600 --> 16:25.680] You just have to put a little bit of time into it so that you can. [16:25.680 --> 16:28.200] Debra, we're skipping a break. [16:28.200 --> 16:30.640] No, no, we're not skipping a break. [16:30.640 --> 16:33.480] Okay, I was going to say, I didn't hear it kicking in. [16:33.480 --> 16:36.760] No, it kicks in right at 30 seconds before the break time. [16:36.760 --> 16:38.560] Ah, all right, all right. [16:38.560 --> 16:39.560] All right. [16:39.560 --> 16:42.400] A little bit more when we get back and then we'll start with the cop voir dire. [16:42.400 --> 17:00.360] Okay, we'll be right back. [17:00.360 --> 17:03.720] You feel tired when talking about important topics like money and politics? [17:03.720 --> 17:04.720] Sorry. [17:04.720 --> 17:07.680] Are you confused by words like the Constitution or the Federal Reserve? [17:07.680 --> 17:08.680] What? [17:08.680 --> 17:12.640] Well, you may be diagnosed with the deadliest disease known today, stupidity. 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[17:54.800 --> 17:58.200] Side effects from using Brave New Books products may include discernment and enlarged vocabulary [17:58.200 --> 18:05.200] and an overall increase in mental functioning. [18:59.200 --> 19:10.920] I had no idea that the number one cause of the disease is found in almost every home [19:10.920 --> 19:13.920] in America, the television. [19:13.920 --> 19:21.920] I had no idea that the number one cause of the disease is found in almost every home [19:21.920 --> 19:26.920] in America, the television. [19:26.920 --> 19:42.920] Okay. We are back. Discussing the traffic issues with Eddie tonight. Go ahead, Eddie. [19:42.920 --> 19:48.720] Okay. So, again, these particular sections of the Code of Criminal Proceedings, criminal [19:48.720 --> 20:10.760] procedure is the rules that they must obey to do their job. And you need to keep them [20:10.760 --> 20:16.080] honest or they're going to railroad you in the process. Now, what I'd like to do is to [20:16.080 --> 20:22.160] go over the affidavit and judicial notice to help with the questioning of the officer. [20:22.160 --> 20:26.160] What I'd like everybody to understand about the affidavit and judicial notice, it is the [20:26.160 --> 20:33.080] purpose of this affidavit is not to prevent the cop from doing anything. Okay? This is [20:33.080 --> 20:40.040] to protect you if and when you have to appear in court. You can't always carry and give [20:40.040 --> 20:45.920] out a copy of the seminar material every time somebody stops you. The purpose of this affidavit [20:45.920 --> 20:52.760] is to consolidate the majority of the possible reasons that you can be stopped for a traffic [20:52.760 --> 20:59.480] citation into this one document referencing the specific statutes that would apply for [20:59.480 --> 21:07.600] that offense and force it into evidence in court so that the judge and the prosecution [21:07.600 --> 21:14.120] cannot make a motion in limine to prevent you from discussing the law. Because that's [21:14.120 --> 21:18.760] the first thing out of the prosecution's mouth the moment you start asking the officer any [21:18.760 --> 21:25.880] questions about the law, which the jury has every right to hear. But if the jury hears [21:25.880 --> 21:31.600] it, the court and the cop and the prosecution and the state lose and they're out the expenses [21:31.600 --> 21:36.480] of court and all the money for the fines. So they don't want to play fair. They don't [21:36.480 --> 21:42.280] want you to introduce the law because it confuses the issue and spoils their profitability. [21:42.280 --> 21:47.960] Okay? I mean, you guys came to the seminar, even as hard as I worked to try to make sure [21:47.960 --> 21:52.920] that I spelled it out as clearly as possible how this all ties together. There were still [21:52.920 --> 21:56.960] a lot of questions. There's still a lot of information people didn't get the first time [21:56.960 --> 22:00.560] around. Hopefully you've been reading and studying and absorbing until it finally clicked [22:00.560 --> 22:07.400] and made sense. But the point being that before the jury, that issue's going to remain. They [22:07.400 --> 22:14.120] haven't read the seminar material. They haven't seen it. The thing about a courtroom of what [22:14.120 --> 22:22.120] are on the stand is it's a very fluid environment and you have to be adaptable to that environment [22:22.120 --> 22:26.960] because everything you're trying to lead up toward the prosecution, if they're paying [22:26.960 --> 22:32.040] attention and have actually bothered to read any of these things you filed, knows where [22:32.040 --> 22:36.160] you're trying to go. And they're going to do everything they can to interfere with you [22:36.160 --> 22:41.440] getting there, which is just another reason why you need to be familiar with Chapter 2 [22:41.440 --> 22:45.960] of the Code of Criminal Procedure, because that chapter makes it very clear that the [22:45.960 --> 22:52.320] job of any prosecutor is to ensure that all the facts relevant to the issue are brought [22:52.320 --> 22:59.520] out in court, including those that prove the innocence of the accused. It's very important [22:59.520 --> 23:06.320] that you know this, because you can't argue it if you don't know it. So when they make [23:06.320 --> 23:12.720] a motion in limiting that the law can't be discussed, object. You have every right, because [23:12.720 --> 23:18.360] the law proves you're innocent. So you have every right to demand it be introduced in [23:18.360 --> 23:27.840] court. Or they are in violation of the Code of Criminal Procedure. The mandates of the [23:27.840 --> 23:34.000] prosecution are being violated, and you need to hold them to it. Now, given that, like [23:34.000 --> 23:40.000] I say about it being fluid, you've got to figure out, make a plan, all right? In diving, [23:40.000 --> 23:47.280] there's a thing that we use, and it's a very simple saying. Plan your dive, dive your plan. [23:47.280 --> 23:51.920] That way, if something goes wrong, people should know where you are, when you should [23:51.920 --> 23:57.800] have been back, so on and so forth. It alleviates the possibility of there being a fatal accident [23:57.800 --> 24:04.960] then. Same thing applies to a court confrontation. This purpose of planning is to prevent a fatal [24:04.960 --> 24:13.080] occurrence, okay? So let's start picking on the issue of speeding, for instance. Okay, [24:13.080 --> 24:17.040] for those of you out there that have read the material and are very familiar with it, [24:17.040 --> 24:21.440] there are two primary sections of statute that deal with speeding. The one they like [24:21.440 --> 24:28.120] to charge you under is Section 545, okay? Dealing with prima facie speed limits. I think [24:28.120 --> 24:38.560] it's 545, either 031 or.321. In either case, prima facie speed limits, okay? The way I [24:38.560 --> 24:42.640] would start this off talking to the officer on the stand is I would get his information. [24:42.640 --> 24:46.840] Officer, would you state your name for the record? Officer, what police department do [24:46.840 --> 24:51.020] you work for? How long have you been a police officer? Have you been properly certified [24:51.020 --> 24:57.800] and trained for regulating traffic statutes? Who trained you? Where were you trained? What [24:57.800 --> 25:02.760] certifications did you receive? So on and so forth. Make it conversational in such a [25:02.760 --> 25:07.960] way that, you know, he doesn't feel threatened by you trying to set him up. And hopefully, [25:07.960 --> 25:11.840] the prosecutor will also relax a little bit. I mean, they do the same thing with you as [25:11.840 --> 25:18.880] Dr. Graves says. They get into the conversation mode and try to slip things in that aren't [25:18.880 --> 25:25.520] kosher. But everything we're doing is going to be kosher because this information is relevant [25:25.520 --> 25:30.240] to the facts and to the record. So we're not slipping anything that shouldn't be in there [25:30.240 --> 25:42.460] by anybody. We're just trying to get the cop. Now, officer, did you cite me for speeding [25:42.460 --> 25:49.720] on this date at this time? And he's probably going to say, yes, I did. And you give him [25:49.720 --> 25:55.840] the ticket. Is this a copy of the citation that you are swearing under oath that you [25:55.840 --> 26:03.520] made out to me? Why, yes, it is. And you're stating on this particular location that the [26:03.520 --> 26:09.440] speed limit allowed in this location is X number of miles an hour. Is that correct? [26:09.440 --> 26:15.600] Yes, it is. Okay? You are aware, officer, that these are prima facie speed limits. Are [26:15.600 --> 26:23.680] you not? Now, one of two things is going to happen here. Yes, I do know that. Or you're [26:23.680 --> 26:29.000] going to get a blank stare like a deer in the headlights. Take advantage of that blank [26:29.000 --> 26:37.840] stare. Okay? Officer, what does prima facie mean? At this point, you're probably going [26:37.840 --> 26:43.960] to get an objection from the prosecution. Okay? Because I've actually had the judge [26:43.960 --> 26:51.000] ask what does prima facie mean? And they asked the prosecutor, who then blatantly lied about [26:51.000 --> 26:59.600] what it means. And I had to hold up Black's Law and read to the judge, judge, I beg your [26:59.600 --> 27:04.440] pardon, prosecution is not telling you the truth. This is what prima facie means right [27:04.440 --> 27:09.840] here in Black's Law. Okay? And I read it all. That's what it means. It means on the face [27:09.840 --> 27:15.040] of. In other words, this is circumstantial evidence that until proven incorrect shall [27:15.040 --> 27:21.680] be assumed to be correct. Well, there's a problem with this. I've got several Supreme [27:21.680 --> 27:31.720] Court cases that say that in a criminal statute, presumption is unconstitutional. You cannot [27:31.720 --> 27:42.160] base an accusation in a penal criminal statute on a presumption. Can't do it. All the facts [27:42.160 --> 27:49.560] and the statement of the law itself must be precise and specific. It can't be a presumption. [27:49.560 --> 27:55.080] So what we've got is a prima facie speed limit, which means on the face of. It's presuming [27:55.080 --> 28:00.000] that at the moment with all relevant evidence, this is the only safe speed this section of [28:00.000 --> 28:06.760] the highway can be traveled. That's a presumption. How do you refute that presumption? Well, [28:06.760 --> 28:12.680] let's go back to that. Officer, do you know what prima facie means? Let's assume he says [28:12.680 --> 28:20.200] yes. Very good. You know that prima facie means on the face of the facts, this is acceptable, [28:20.200 --> 28:27.400] correct? Yes. Okay. Now, your assessment of the speed limit is that the only safe speed [28:27.400 --> 28:33.680] to travel is the one you cited me for traveling in excess of, which in this case was say 65 [28:33.680 --> 28:42.240] miles an hour. Is that correct? Yes, it is. Officer, isn't that a presumption? Well, no, [28:42.240 --> 28:50.080] it's not. Fine. If it's not a presumption, on what factual evidence do you base that [28:50.080 --> 28:55.640] 65 mile an hour speed limit? Oh, well, it's posted on all the speed signs up and down [28:55.640 --> 29:01.120] that road. Excuse me, it's posted where? It's posted on all the speed signs up and down [29:01.120 --> 29:06.520] the road. So you're basing your presumptive knowledge of the set speed limit for this [29:06.520 --> 29:13.360] section of highway on the speed sign posted upon that highway. Is that correct? Yes, it [29:13.360 --> 29:22.760] is. Is that posted speed sign the method the legislature uses to notify those of the public [29:22.760 --> 29:28.240] that are susceptible to that speed limit of what that legal speed limit supposedly is? [29:28.240 --> 29:34.080] Yes, they are. Fine. Officer, I would like to refer you to us. We'll get that when we [29:34.080 --> 29:40.120] get back. All right, we'll be right back. We're going to break. Eddie's telling us how [29:40.120 --> 30:01.520] to grill the Poe on the witness stand. More on the other side. Are you being harassed [30:01.520 --> 30:06.960] by debt collectors with phone calls, letters, or even lawsuits? Stop debt collectors now [30:06.960 --> 30:12.160] with the Michael Mears Proven Method. Michael Mears has won six cases in federal court against [30:12.160 --> 30:17.440] debt collectors and now you can win two. 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[31:29.760 --> 31:35.760] Well, I need a prosecutor to come and help me. Prosecute them wicked leaders, you see. [31:35.760 --> 31:40.760] They might be the wrong liars. Them tell me, them are liars, not tell sweet stories. [31:40.760 --> 31:45.760] But I believe, me say what them tell me. Three percent of Americans vote for Bush. [31:45.760 --> 31:50.760] So how the hell he get the presidency? That's why me have a warrant for him. [31:50.760 --> 31:54.760] Everybody listen carefully. Listen to the words of the officials passing. [31:54.760 --> 32:22.760] Okay Eddie, please continue. [32:22.760 --> 32:29.760] Okay, we were leading up to the point where we got the officer to verify for us that he was relying on the [32:29.760 --> 32:35.760] speed sign for the purpose of identifying the fact that you were traveling in excess of the legal limit, [32:35.760 --> 32:43.760] so to speak. Okay. So the question we've gotten up to now is, officer, you're saying that your [32:43.760 --> 32:49.760] identification of my being in excess of the posted speed limit is based upon the information posted on [32:49.760 --> 32:58.760] that speed sign. That is correct. Yes it is. Okay, officer, I would like to, at this time, have you read [32:58.760 --> 33:07.760] into, in the view of the jury, this section of the transportation code please. Section 201.904, Texas [33:07.760 --> 33:17.760] transportation code, which very specifically states that the speed sign applies only to commercial [33:17.760 --> 33:26.760] motor vehicles, tractors, tractor trailers, and commercial motor vehicles for the transportation of [33:26.760 --> 33:36.760] passengers for hire, meaning buses. Which one of these, officer, do you insist that I was operating? [33:36.760 --> 33:43.760] I mean, according to the citation, would you please tell the jury what type of automobile I was in when you [33:43.760 --> 33:50.760] wrote this citation? What type of vehicle did you cite me for on this ticket? Well, 91 Ford Crown [33:50.760 --> 34:01.760] Vic. Right. Now, is this Ford Crown Victoria, is it a bus that hauls, transports passengers for hire? [34:01.760 --> 34:08.760] No. Did you see any markings of any kind on this automobile that identified it as a commercial vehicle? [34:08.760 --> 34:19.760] No. Is it a tractor? No. Is it a tractor trailer? No. Then would you please tell the jury how in the [34:19.760 --> 34:25.760] Lord's name I could have possibly been speeding in excess of the posted speed limit and in violation of [34:25.760 --> 34:33.760] the statute? Your prima facie speed limit is based upon the speed sign. You testified to that, [34:33.760 --> 34:42.760] correct? Yes. And you just testified that the automobile that I was traveling in does not meet the [34:42.760 --> 34:54.760] criteria of the type of motor vehicle that speed sign is set up to regulate, does it? No. Then by any [34:54.760 --> 35:00.760] chance did you commit perjury by signing a complaint stating that I was operating one of those motor [35:00.760 --> 35:08.760] vehicles when in fact I was not? Were you lying when you filed a complaint or are you lying to the [35:08.760 --> 35:18.760] jury now? That one's thrown in just for you, Randy. Thank you, thank you. I've used it myself. But as [35:18.760 --> 35:26.760] you see, we have led the cop right where we wanted him to be because that's what the law is. The law [35:26.760 --> 35:34.760] makes it very clear it does not apply to a private automobile. It just doesn't. And I know there may [35:34.760 --> 35:38.760] be lots of people from the Ellis County Observer Blog out there listening, especially the Officer [35:38.760 --> 35:43.760] James if he's actually an officer. And if you are, hi Officer James, I hope you read my latest post [35:43.760 --> 35:51.760] for you. But in any case, it's very plainly written into the law that it is only commercial vehicles [35:51.760 --> 35:59.760] that are subject to speeding citations. Got nothing to do with the rest of us. Never has. The Officer [35:59.760 --> 36:11.760] is committing aggravated perjury when he signs that complaint and files it in the court. End of story. [36:11.760 --> 36:17.760] So, follow-up question. Officer, you are aware that I have filed criminal complaints against you for [36:17.760 --> 36:24.760] aggravated perjury in this case, correct? That should make him look real good in front of the jury, [36:24.760 --> 36:33.760] shouldn't it? Now, next thing I want to address is the driver's license argument. This one, I don't [36:33.760 --> 36:37.760] know how anybody could have spent all this time reading that statute and never figured out this [36:37.760 --> 36:47.760] argument. This argument is very simple of and for itself here. Okay. In Section 521.001, we're given [36:47.760 --> 36:55.760] the definition, 001 or 3,.003 I think. We're given the definition of a driver's license, okay? [36:55.760 --> 37:06.760] The definition of driver's license includes a temporary license, a learner's permit, or or and an [37:06.760 --> 37:12.760] occupational license. Now, there's two ways to take those two sections, and I theorized on this. I [37:12.760 --> 37:16.760] can't say this part of it's actually correct, but this is the theory that I'm formulating based on [37:16.760 --> 37:22.760] it. The temporary license and the learner's permit are both temporary in the sense that there is no [37:22.760 --> 37:30.760] set particular date when they can be exchanged for another license, okay? In other words, the [37:30.760 --> 37:38.760] temporary license is only temporary until the out-of-state resident or the military applicant that [37:38.760 --> 37:46.760] made an application for the license for here in Texas actually comes into the state, gets their [37:46.760 --> 37:57.760] picture taken, and an actual full-blown license put together and sent out, okay? The learner's permit [37:57.760 --> 38:05.760] is only valid up until such time as the learner goes in, passes their written and driving test, and [38:05.760 --> 38:12.760] gets their full-blown license, which is issued at a later time, okay? Then you get down to the [38:12.760 --> 38:20.760] occupational license. This one has a set expiration date. Whenever the heck the judge says you can get [38:20.760 --> 38:28.760] your other one back, all right? The occupational license is issued only by a judge through court [38:28.760 --> 38:39.760] order, and it's only issued to someone that has lost their regular license because of a DUI or [38:39.760 --> 38:46.760] because of an administrative procedure review, okay? Where they take it and take the license away [38:46.760 --> 38:54.760] through administrative procedure. Now, in that case, that one has a set time limit. The judge orders [38:54.760 --> 39:01.760] you to this long for whatever reason, and at the expiration of this, the court will review your [39:01.760 --> 39:07.760] case. If you've complied, done your time, paid your fines and all this, then the judge will sign [39:07.760 --> 39:14.760] another order saying reinstate your license, okay? Those three things, temporary license, learner's [39:14.760 --> 39:20.760] permit, and occupational license, are the only things, unless there is a super-secret, undisclosed [39:20.760 --> 39:26.760] type of driver's license not contained within the definition in Chapter 521 that they have never [39:26.760 --> 39:33.760] told us about but assume everybody has to have, which in and of itself would be a problem, I would [39:33.760 --> 39:41.760] think. But let's say that doesn't happen, and these are, in fact, the only three things that can be [39:41.760 --> 39:50.760] identified as a driver's license. All right. So let's use those arguments. Since 521 identifies each [39:50.760 --> 39:58.760] one of these as being something particular, and there are sections within Chapter 521 that discusses [39:58.760 --> 40:07.760] what each one of these must do and what each one of them is used for, then we need to go over those [40:07.760 --> 40:12.760] sections, and I'll leave it up to you to do that. But when you read through them, you'll find out [40:12.760 --> 40:18.760] exactly what each one of these three things is meant to do and the purpose of it. None of them are to [40:18.760 --> 40:25.760] serve as your permanent license. None of them, okay? But they are the only three things identified [40:25.760 --> 40:32.760] under Chapter 521. Now, the first thing to ask the officer, officer, you cited me for having no [40:32.760 --> 40:37.760] driver's license. Is that correct? Yes, it is. Officer, do you know under what specific section [40:37.760 --> 40:43.760] of the transportation code you cited me for not having a driver's license? Yes, I do. Well, what [40:43.760 --> 40:50.760] section was that? Section 521.021, which is the offense section that says a person commits an [40:50.760 --> 40:59.760] offense if, okay? So if you're going to cite me under Section 521.021, officer, then you're saying [40:59.760 --> 41:06.760] that I must have one of the three things identified in 521.003. Is that correct? Yes, that's [41:06.760 --> 41:13.760] correct. Okay. Well, then I would like to first ask you about the first item, the temporary license. [41:13.760 --> 41:19.760] Such as that section of Chapter 521 specifically states that a temporary license is issued to an [41:19.760 --> 41:28.760] out-of-state resident or an out-of-state resident that is in military service, am I either of [41:28.760 --> 41:36.760] those? And would you please present whatever evidence you have that says or shows or proves [41:36.760 --> 41:45.760] that I am an out-of-state resident or an out-of-state resident serving in the military? Well, he's not [41:45.760 --> 41:52.760] going to have any unless you are actually one of those things. Now, a temporary license by [41:52.760 --> 41:58.760] definition is temporary, is it not, officer? Yes, it is. Well, in that particular section, the [41:58.760 --> 42:06.760] temporary license is only temporary until that out-of-state resident or that military serving [42:06.760 --> 42:13.760] individual comes within Texas and files, comes in and gets a picture taken because the temporary [42:13.760 --> 42:20.760] license is issued without a picture, correct? That's true. So once they come in, go down to the [42:20.760 --> 42:28.760] driver's license office, get their picture taken, and then a new license is created, that license [42:28.760 --> 42:37.760] is no longer a temporary license, is it, officer? No, it's not. Okay. Then what does it become? [42:37.760 --> 42:42.760] Now, get ready for this. Well, it becomes a driver's license. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It becomes a [42:42.760 --> 42:48.760] what? It becomes a driver's license. No. It can't become a driver's license. That's a circular [42:48.760 --> 42:55.760] argument. It was a temporary license, which is one of the three things defined as a driver's license. [42:55.760 --> 43:00.760] The other two is a learner's permit or the occupational license. So it can't become a driver's [43:00.760 --> 43:06.760] license unless it's going to become one of these three types of things again. So which of the [43:06.760 --> 43:14.760] remaining two does it now become since it's no longer temporary? Yeah, that's what I thought. [43:14.760 --> 43:21.760] There's no answer to that because there isn't one. None of the other two meet the criteria that [43:21.760 --> 43:27.760] fulfilled the temporary license and made it some other kind of license. Okay. Now let's take the [43:27.760 --> 43:33.760] learner's permit. Zach, same deal. A learner's permit is a permit issued. Oh, there we go. [43:33.760 --> 43:38.760] Break again. I'll be right back, folks. All right, I'll be right back. Let's talk about the [43:38.760 --> 43:45.760] learner's permit. This is the rule of law. [44:08.760 --> 44:15.760] This is the rule of law. [44:38.760 --> 44:45.760] This is the rule of law. [45:08.760 --> 45:31.760] Okay, we are back. All right, go ahead, Eddie. We're talking about the learner's permit. [45:31.760 --> 45:37.760] All right, learner's permit. Now let's get into that. Basically, same type of setup. Officer, once [45:37.760 --> 45:42.760] again, you charged me for having no driver's license. Is that correct? Yes, you did. Under what section? [45:42.760 --> 45:48.760] Blah, blah, blah. We'll go through all that again for this one if necessary. But the purpose of a [45:48.760 --> 45:57.760] learner's permit is to be issued to a new driver that must have a licensed driver 18 years or older [45:57.760 --> 46:03.760] in the front seat. Or is it 21? Anyway, it's one of the two. I actually think it's 21. 21 years or older. [46:03.760 --> 46:10.760] In the front seat, they must be awake and they must be sober. While the person with the learner's permit [46:10.760 --> 46:17.760] is in control of the motor vehicle. Okay? And we all know motor vehicle is a whole other animal. But just [46:17.760 --> 46:23.760] for the sake of argument, we're going to say it the way they say it. Okay? So you have the motor vehicle [46:23.760 --> 46:30.760] in operation by an unlicensed driver who actually only has permission on a learner's permit as long as [46:30.760 --> 46:35.760] there is an actual licensed driver sitting in the front seat with them that meets all the criteria of [46:35.760 --> 46:43.760] that section for the learner's permit under Chapter 521 Transportation Code. So, officer, are you [46:43.760 --> 46:50.760] insisting that I am someone that has a learner's permit or is supposed to have a learner's permit and [46:50.760 --> 46:58.760] has somebody riding in the automobile with me? No? Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. So I'm [46:58.760 --> 47:05.760] not one of those people that would have to do this. And you know for a fact that I have had a driver's [47:05.760 --> 47:12.760] license prior to this several years ago because you pulled my DMV records and so on and so forth, right? [47:12.760 --> 47:20.760] Yes. So you know that I once had a actual full blown driver's license or at least some type of license. [47:20.760 --> 47:27.760] Isn't that correct? Yes. So I would not be one required to have a learner's permit, would I? No. [47:27.760 --> 47:32.760] What would I have to have? We would have to get your license renewed. And that type of license would be [47:32.760 --> 47:39.760] what? It would be a driver's license. No, excuse me. Again, circular argument. Driver's license would either [47:39.760 --> 47:45.760] have to be the temporary license which we know I don't qualify for. It would have to be the learner's permit [47:45.760 --> 47:51.760] which we also know I don't qualify for or it would have to be the occupational license. Which one is it? [47:51.760 --> 47:57.760] Well, I'll take door number three. It's got to be the occupational license. All right. Fine. Let's go through [47:57.760 --> 48:06.760] this again then. Last time around. 521, section dealing with the occupational license. Specifically states [48:06.760 --> 48:16.760] that occupational license must be issued by a judge if your regular license has been suspended for a [48:16.760 --> 48:30.760] conviction of a DUI or an APR hearing. Okay? That's where they yank it administratively. So do you have [48:30.760 --> 48:38.760] any evidence to introduce to this court that I have ever been convicted of a DUI? No. Do you have any [48:38.760 --> 48:49.760] evidence to introduce to this court that I have ever had a license yanked by an APR hearing? No. So we've [48:49.760 --> 49:01.760] eliminated the possibility, the last possibility that 521 applies to me. Is that correct? Well, no. Well, [49:01.760 --> 49:08.760] what else is there, officer? We've eliminated the temporary license. I'm not an out of state resident. I am [49:08.760 --> 49:13.760] not a military individual living outside the state. Therefore, I don't qualify for the necessity of a [49:13.760 --> 49:21.760] temporary license. We've already verified that I'm not qualified for a learner's permit and we just stated [49:21.760 --> 49:27.760] very clearly for the record that I cannot possibly be under the necessity of having an occupational [49:27.760 --> 49:34.760] license. So what else is there? What else is there defined in the term of driver's license that you wrote [49:34.760 --> 49:45.760] a citation stating I had to have? There's nothing for him to say. All he can do is keep making that same [49:45.760 --> 49:53.760] circular argument, driver's license, driver's license, driver's license, and spinning his wheels. Okay? [49:53.760 --> 50:01.760] Now, there are only two chapters in the Texas Transportation Code that deal with the issue of licensing [50:01.760 --> 50:11.760] any type of driver other than someone flying an airplane. Okay? Let's stick with wheels on the road. [50:11.760 --> 50:20.760] 521, 522 are the only two chapters in the Texas Transportation Code that deal with the issue of a [50:20.760 --> 50:27.760] driver's license or a commercial driver's license. You just heard that we have now removed any [50:27.760 --> 50:41.760] possibility of Chapter 525 that lives here, makes their home here, and travels in their automobiles [50:41.760 --> 50:46.760] here. Wait, Eddie, could you repeat what you just said? You kind of cut out for a minute. You said [50:46.760 --> 50:56.760] Chapter 525. Chapter 521 makes it very clear that it cannot and does not apply to the majority of the [50:56.760 --> 51:07.760] people that live, work, and travel here in Texas. It just doesn't apply. It can't. So this takes us back [51:07.760 --> 51:17.760] to our closing questions. Well, Officer, under Chapter 521, we didn't cover this. The temporary license, [51:17.760 --> 51:26.760] once it becomes something other than a temporary license, what kind of license must it become? We already [51:26.760 --> 51:30.760] established it can't become an occupational, it can't become a learner's permit, and it can't be the [51:30.760 --> 51:38.760] circular argument of a driver's license. So what kind of license did that temporary license become when [51:38.760 --> 51:46.760] the picture got put on it and it got reissued? Same approach with the learner's permit, okay? Let's see. [51:46.760 --> 51:52.760] That's a hard one, Officer. I agree. That's a hard one. Let's try this. The learner's permit. Once the [51:52.760 --> 51:57.760] learner has gone in and taken their driving test, and they've passed it, and they've taken their [51:57.760 --> 52:02.760] written test, and they've passed it, and they go out and they do this, they fill out the little form, [52:02.760 --> 52:07.760] and you take their picture and slap that license together, what kind of license do you send to them? [52:07.760 --> 52:14.760] And again, you can't make the circular argument of a driver's license. So what kind of license does that [52:14.760 --> 52:28.760] learner's permit become? A license had to have been revoked under the DUI conviction or under the APR [52:28.760 --> 52:36.760] hearing, and what kind of license gets reinstated once you've done your time and paid your fines? [52:36.760 --> 52:44.760] What kind of license does that become once your license gets reissued? The answer is all the same [52:44.760 --> 52:52.760] to all three parts. The only other chapter that deals with licensing for the purpose of driving is [52:52.760 --> 53:04.760] what? Chapter 522 Texas Transportation Code, the commercial driver's license. There is only one kind [53:04.760 --> 53:13.760] of driver's license in Texas. It is a commercial license. Chapter 522 tells you very specifically [53:13.760 --> 53:24.760] that the department can only issue Class A, B, C, and a couple other variations of a commercial [53:24.760 --> 53:31.760] driver's license. That language does not appear anywhere in Chapter 521. It only appears in Chapter [53:31.760 --> 53:42.760] 522. The department may issue the following types of licenses. What else is there? There isn't. We've [53:42.760 --> 53:47.760] proven that right here in the very language of the statutes, and the only common sense way it can be [53:47.760 --> 53:54.760] resolved, that the only type of actual license in Texas is a commercial driver's license. It says it [53:54.760 --> 53:59.760] right there in 522. It's the only kind the department's authorized to issue. They can classify [53:59.760 --> 54:07.760] them in different ways, but they cannot issue anything but a commercial driver's license. So right [54:07.760 --> 54:12.760] there we've blown the entire necessity of a driver's license out of the water, because the only people [54:12.760 --> 54:18.760] that have to have them are those engaged in commerce, and it says that right there in the law. The only [54:18.760 --> 54:24.760] type of license the department may issue is a commercial driver's license classified as this type, [54:24.760 --> 54:29.760] this type, or this type, for this type of vehicle, that type of vehicle, or that type of vehicle. [54:29.760 --> 54:37.760] Check it out. The table of vehicles in 521 and 522 are identical. The only real difference between [54:37.760 --> 54:45.760] Chapter 522 and Chapter 521 is that Chapter 522 is classified as a commercial license by name, [54:45.760 --> 54:53.760] because that's the only chapter under which you can be issued a license with a hazardous placard [54:53.760 --> 55:08.760] endorsement. Thus, that makes it, quote unquote, commercial, because it means that all of them are [55:08.760 --> 55:16.760] commercial because they're classified that way under 522. By name, they're classified that way. [55:16.760 --> 55:25.760] All right? So where does this leave room for wiggle on the part of the officer? It doesn't. It just [55:25.760 --> 55:31.760] doesn't. And the fact is, the prosecution could sit and try to object to this all day long, but none [55:31.760 --> 55:36.760] of the questions we just asked are inadmissible. None of them are irrelevant. None of them have no [55:36.760 --> 55:44.760] bearing upon the case. They are all factual, relevant, statutory necessities. Every last one of [55:44.760 --> 55:51.760] them, because each one of them consists of an element involved in the charge. Every specific [55:51.760 --> 56:12.760] element of the charge must be met or the charge falls flat on its face. And we just proved that in [56:12.760 --> 56:19.760] this case that you do not have to have the license. You can't be required to have the license, [56:19.760 --> 56:24.760] because the law itself makes it very plain that all of these elements, all the necessary elements [56:24.760 --> 56:29.760] supporting the charge have been cut completely out from under the argument that they're trying to [56:29.760 --> 56:37.760] make with the charge. You've left it hanging. Now, the fact that you can establish the necessity of [56:37.760 --> 56:43.760] you can't be the one speeding, you also can't be required to have a license, as I've explained [56:43.760 --> 56:50.760] many times before, that driver's license is the linchpin to all the other arguments, because all [56:50.760 --> 56:57.760] the other arguments daisy chain from that driver's license requirement. Okay? Go to any insurance [56:57.760 --> 57:05.760] company in Texas. Tell them you wish to insure your automobile. Now, ask them, do you have a [57:05.760 --> 57:13.760] different type of policy for a private automobile than you do for a commercial motor vehicle or [57:13.760 --> 57:21.760] just straight up a motor vehicle? See what they tell you. And then after they answer that question, [57:21.760 --> 57:30.760] you can ask them, okay, will your company issue me an insurance policy for my private automobile if I [57:30.760 --> 57:38.760] do not have a license to travel in an automobile? Well, no. Well, why not? Well, because the law [57:38.760 --> 57:45.760] says you have to have one. No, law doesn't say I have to have a license. The law says that a [57:45.760 --> 57:51.760] commercial driver has to have a license. Oh, no, that's incorrect. Really? So now you're a lawyer [57:51.760 --> 58:00.760] and you're giving me legal advice. Well, no. Said okay, then. Just plain and simple, will your company [58:00.760 --> 58:07.760] give me insurance? They're going to tell you no. And we'll go over that again here in just a minute. [58:07.760 --> 58:17.760] Get back. Okay, excellent. Great dissection, Eddie and Randy. We'll be right back on the other side. [58:17.760 --> 58:21.760] This is the rule of law. [58:47.760 --> 59:04.760] In a time where telling the truth is a revolutionary act, radicals across the globe are rising up and [59:04.760 --> 59:10.760] uniting behind one simple yet profound message. Choose freedom. 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The U.S. military commander for the Middle East, General David [01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:36.760] Petraeus, confirmed the U.S. has developed contingency plans to deal with Iran's nuclear [01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:42.760] facilities. Petraeus added, it would be almost irresponsible if CENTCOM were not to have been [01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:48.760] making plans for a whole variety of contingencies. Sunday Mirror newspaper reporter Rupert [01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:53.760] Hamer has become the first British journalist to be killed while covering the war in Afghanistan. [01:00:53.760 --> 01:01:00.760] Hamer was accompanying a U.S. Marine Corps patrol when an explosion hit their vehicle Saturday. [01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.760] Egyptian authorities have banned all aid convoys headed to Gaza from traveling across Egypt [01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:11.760] after a riot broke out at the Rafah border crossing last week. More than 50 people were wounded [01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:16.760] during a clash between Egyptian authorities and international members of the Viva Palestinian [01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:23.760] convoy after Egypt allowed 139 vehicles to enter Gaza, but said the remaining 59 vehicles [01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.760] would have to pass through Israel. The Rafah border is the only crossing point into Gaza [01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.760] not controlled by Israel. George Galloway, the British MP leading the convoy, was deported [01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:39.760] Friday. The Egyptian foreign minister said Galloway would not be allowed to return to the [01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:44.760] country, accusing him of incitement over his criticism of the government. Arrest forms were [01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:50.760] also issued for seven other convoy members. Galloway said, it's always been a badge of [01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:56.760] honor to be deported by a tin pot dictator. Future aid convoys will now become the responsibility [01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:04.760] of the Red Crescent. Climate scientists say the bitter winter affecting much of the northern [01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:09.760] hemisphere is the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for [01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:15.760] 20 or 30 years. Their predictions, based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures [01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:21.760] in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, challenge the majority who believe in global warming. [01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:25.760] The scientists' predictions also undermine the standard climate computer models, which [01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:31.760] assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse [01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:37.760] gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise. Among the most [01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:43.760] prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN's Intergovernmental [01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:49.760] Panel on Climate Change. He and his colleagues predicted the new cooling trend in a paper [01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:56.760] published in 2008 and warned of it again at an IPCC conference in Geneva last September. [01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:00.760] This news brief brought to you by the International... [01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:07.760] You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech [01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:31.760] talk radio at its best. [01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.760] I [01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.760] I [01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.760] I [01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.760] I [01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:55.760] I [01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:01.760] I [01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.760] I [01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.760] I'm going to kill you. [01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.760] I'm going to kill you. [01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:10.760] You know that I'm ranting. [01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:12.760] With me you still are you. [01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:14.760] Tell me how you like it. [01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.760] How you daddy's back in. [01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:18.760] Let you know I'm running. [01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:20.760] But you don't buy too much. [01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:22.760] I'm still disturbing. [01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:24.760] Never would I be too good to you. [01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:26.760] I'm the daqa of your dreams. [01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:28.760] I'm the daqa of your dreams. [01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.760] No, daddy. [01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:32.760] No, daddy. [01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:34.760] I'm still disturbing. [01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.760] Never would I be too good to you. [01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:38.760] Okay, we are back. [01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:40.760] Give me more, give me more, give me more. [01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.760] Never would I be too good to you. [01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:44.760] All right, go ahead, Eddie. [01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:48.760] Okay, now, the transportation code by definition. [01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:50.760] Okay? [01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:52.760] Another thing you can ask the officer. [01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:59.760] Officer, you wrote me a citation based upon an offense under the transportation code, correct? [01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:01.760] Yes, I did. [01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:06.760] What type of transportation was I engaged in? [01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:09.760] Well, you were in your automobile. [01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:17.760] So you're saying that you saw something on my automobile that made you believe it was a commercial vehicle? [01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.760] No. [01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:25.760] Then how could it be engaged in transportation? [01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.760] An objection from the prosecution. [01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:30.760] Very simple. [01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:36.760] In order to be engaged in transportation, what is the legal definition of transportation, officer? [01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.760] Again, an objection from the prosecution. [01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:42.760] And you object right back. [01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:48.760] Judge, the prosecution knows that the definition of transportation is relevant to this case pursuant Chapter 311 [01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:55.760] Government Code where it specifically states that you as the judge may take under advisement both the titles, sections, [01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:05.760] headings, and so on and so forth of every statute in this state to determine the criteria and the applicability of a given code. [01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.760] The title of this code he's charging me with is the transportation code. [01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:17.760] I want him to tell this jury what the definition of transportation is. [01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:19.760] See how well they like that. [01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.760] But the fact is the definition of transportation makes it very clear. [01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:29.760] It is the movement of goods or services or persons from point A to point B by a common carrier. [01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:45.760] So, officer, I ask you again, are you saying that I was transporting persons or property for the purpose of hire and that my automobile is a common carrier? [01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.760] They're not going to have answers for these questions. [01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:50.760] They're just not. [01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.760] Okay, we've eliminated the possibility of speeding. [01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.760] We've eliminated the ability to have a driver's license. [01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:01.760] Now we've got the fact that a lot of these are daisy-chained and we were talking about the insurance. [01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:10.760] When you ask the insurance company, will your company issue me insurance without a driver's license in order to travel in my private automobile? [01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:12.760] No, we will not. [01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:19.760] Would you please provide me that response in writing? [01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:22.760] Go to three, four, five, go to a dozen. [01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:24.760] I don't care how many you go to. [01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:31.760] Go to as many different insurance agents as you can and ask every one of them that same question. [01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:39.760] Have each one of them supply you with an answer in writing. [01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:44.760] Then when the court says, well, what are you doing about not showing proof of financial responsibility? [01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:53.760] Well, gee, Judge, I'm sorry, but according to the information that was just disclosed in this court, I'm not required to have a driver's license. [01:08:53.760 --> 01:09:09.760] And I have one, two, three, 15 letters here from various insurance companies that say they will not provide insurance to a private traveler in a private automobile that does not have that commercial driver's license. [01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:19.760] Therefore, Judge, it's impossible for me to be required to have that which I am being denied by law. [01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:24.760] Wouldn't you agree? [01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:27.760] That just makes a sensible argument to me. [01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:51.760] If the law says that I'm not required to have this and everybody that can give me this other thing says I have to have this first or they won't give me that thing over there, then the only reasonable instance that can be brought out here is then I can't be required to have that thing over there because I'm not required to have this thing over here. [01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:58.760] And you can pretty much see the cop pulling the Homer Simpson donut move. [01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:01.760] Because there's nowhere for them to go with this argument. [01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:03.760] There just isn't. [01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:09.760] Because they cannot show that any of this applies to you, even if they try to separate it. [01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.760] Well, we're not going to discuss the license issue. [01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:13.760] Let's talk about the motor vehicle you're operating. [01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:17.760] Again, Your Honor, I object. [01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:23.760] You're making a presumption that I was operating a motor vehicle. [01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:29.760] I have stated on the record through the motions I have filed in this case that is a false presumption. [01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:50.760] I have presented signed affidavits in this case that have not been rebutted by the plaintiff stating that I do not operate in commerce, I did not operate a motor vehicle, I do not own a motor vehicle, and I am not required to have that license to do so. [01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:57.760] So I object. [01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:05.760] It gets harder and harder and harder for them to start tying this all back together once you've tore it into this many pieces just on these issues alone. [01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:07.760] Okay? [01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:12.760] The registering of a motor vehicle under Chapter 501 Texas Transportation Code. [01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:15.760] 501 deals with your certificate of title. [01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:17.760] 502 deals with the registration. [01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:27.760] 501.004 specifically states the certificate of title only applies to a motor vehicle owned by the state or political subdivision of the state. [01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:46.760] And despite the letter received by Tim Orich's representative out there who obviously can't read law worth a darn, that does not mean all private vehicles in addition to those owned by the state and political subdivisions of the state. [01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:55.760] Nowhere in the code does the word private automobile, private vehicle, or private anything pop up in relation to a certificate of title. [01:11:55.760 --> 01:12:04.760] Therefore, this so-called legislator's assessment is a ball-faced lie. [01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:06.760] No yes, no ands, no buts. [01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:08.760] It's a ball-faced lie. [01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.760] It has nothing to do with a private automobile. [01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:16.760] In 502, all it speaks about is registration of motor vehicles. [01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:26.760] Nowhere in 502 does it speak to the registration of a private automobile. [01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:38.760] The insinuation is that whatever you're operating must be engaged in something commercial or you wouldn't be required to have a commercial driver's license to operate it, would you? [01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:44.760] There has to be a commercial nexus between that motor vehicle and that commercial driver's license. [01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:53.760] If that nexus doesn't exist, then you're not meeting all the criteria to be operating a motor vehicle, are you? [01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.760] So what creates that nexus? [01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:01.760] The use of the vehicle in question creates the nexus. [01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.760] The courts have said that over and over again. [01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:15.760] It is the use to which a motor vehicle is put that determines its application or definition as a motor vehicle. [01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:26.760] Whether or not a vehicle is a motor vehicle. [01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:29.760] Eddie? [01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.760] Okay, back up a little bit. [01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:32.760] You're cutting out again. [01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:33.760] I'm sorry. [01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:38.760] I think your neighbor's downloading porn or something. [01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.760] I think Eddie's fighting. [01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:41.760] No, Eddie's not. [01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:42.760] Go ahead, Eddie. [01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.760] Just back up a little bit. [01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:45.760] Okay. [01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:56.760] But in any case, you can show that that commercial nexus, the Supreme Court says that whether or not a motor vehicle is a commercial vehicle or is a motor vehicle is a question for the jury. [01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:58.760] The nexus is its use. [01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:01.760] The use determines whether or not it applies. [01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:11.760] And for that nexus to exist, it must be engaged in a commercial activity by one licensed to engage it in a commercial activity. [01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:20.760] That means that I am a bus like Greyhound transporting persons from point A to point B for money on the highway. [01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:32.760] It means that I am a truck driver that has a loaded trailer attached to my truck and I am going from point A to point B for the purpose of being paid to move that property from point A to point B. [01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:36.760] That's the use that determines the nexus of commerce. [01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:53.760] If I as the truck driver take that trailer to the destination, drop that trailer or empty that trailer and travel from that destination back to my point of origin empty, I am no longer in that nexus. [01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:55.760] I am not engaged in commerce at this point. [01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.760] I have no load. [01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:02.760] I am not being paid for transporting any property from point A to point B for any one. [01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:09.760] I am simply traveling back to my point of origin. [01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:14.760] So I am not engaged in commerce at this point. [01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:38.760] Now, if you go and you look in the administrative code, there is a section in the administrative code that I read on the air one night that specifically exempts any type of vehicle that would normally be considered a commercial motor vehicle from the purposes of registration and inspection [01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:51.760] if that vehicle is used only for the occasional transportation of personal property from one place to another, not for hire. [01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:56.760] That's right in the administrative code dealing specifically with inspections. [01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:09.760] Any vehicle that would normally be considered a commercial motor vehicle for these purposes but is not being used for these purposes, only private purposes, is exempt from the inspection requirement. [01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:18.760] Again, proof positive that statute does not apply to someone that is not engaging in a commercial activity. [01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:23.760] And this goes on and on and on. [01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:28.760] So hopefully this will give you a good idea of the basic ones that we start with. [01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:30.760] Take these things and build upon them. [01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:37.760] Everything we deal with with this officer starts with the commercial action. [01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.760] We'll cover some more when we get back after the break. [01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:41.760] All right. [01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:43.760] Start taking calls, actually, if that's all right. [01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:46.760] Yes, it looks like we just had a call come in from Janet in Texas. [01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.760] Janet, we'll take you in just a few moments. [01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:51.760] We'll be right back. [01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:55.760] Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984. [01:16:55.760 --> 01:17:00.760] We'll be right back. [01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:01.760] Hello, Austin. [01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:05.760] My name is Harlan Dietrich, owner of Brave New Books, a local independent bookstore here in town. [01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.760] Many of you are familiar with the bookstore and have attended some of our events. [01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:18.760] We've been proud to host speakers like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jim Mars, Catherine Albert, Webster Carpley, G. Edward Griffin, and many other heroic figures in the patriot movement. [01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.760] But now Brave New Books needs your help. 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[01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:25.760] Thank you, everyone. [01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:32.760] Okay, we're back. [01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:34.760] All right, Janet dropped off the line. [01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:38.760] So, Janet, if you're out there listening, please call back in. [01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:41.760] All right, go ahead, Eddie. [01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:42.760] Okay. [01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:49.760] So if any of you out there have any questions about anything that we've covered so far or anything else in general related to traffic, [01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.760] please go ahead and start getting your calls in. [01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:55.760] We've got about 45 minutes until the end of the show. [01:18:55.760 --> 01:19:03.760] So please get your calls banked up now so that we're not waiting for the last few minutes trying to answer everybody that might call in then. [01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:13.760] Now, as we talked about, 501 deals with the certificate of title, 502 deals with registration, 548 deals with inspection. [01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:22.760] Okay, if you read each and every one of these sections, every time it specifies that it's applicable to a motor vehicle. [01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:27.760] It doesn't say private automobile, it says a motor vehicle. [01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:36.760] And again, for it to be considered a motor vehicle, the only logical way that can happen is if there is a commercial nexus involved [01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:45.760] because a motor vehicle requires the person operating it to have a commercial driver's license to do so. [01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:53.760] Therefore, the relationship between that commercial driver must be a commercial vehicle. [01:19:53.760 --> 01:20:00.760] Even if it's not classified specifically as a commercial vehicle because, what's the definition of a commercial vehicle? [01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:07.760] It's exactly the same as a motor vehicle except a commercial vehicle has the hazardous material placard displayed. [01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:16.760] Otherwise, the same criteria exists for both things, the non-commercial slash commercial. [01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:22.760] They're still the same vehicle in this case, just one has the hazardous materials placard. [01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:27.760] But the use of both of them is exactly the same. [01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:31.760] It is being used for a commercial enterprise. [01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:41.760] It is being used for the purpose of producing income or gain and has access to the roads as a place of business. [01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:47.760] You and I, by traveling in our automobile, are not using the highways as a place of business. [01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:51.760] We as the people bought and paid for those highways. [01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:58.760] Anybody arguing that the state bought and paid for the highways doesn't understand government. [01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:03.760] Government does not exist without being established by we the people. [01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:12.760] And any penny the government has in its possession could only have come from the pockets of the people. [01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:18.760] That's the only place government funds comes from, is from the people. [01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:22.760] Doesn't matter whether it's investment returns or anything else. [01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:31.760] The initial investment money came from the people, the interest or earnings made off that investment came out of the pockets of somebody else. [01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:37.760] So everything government gets its hands on comes out of the people's pockets. [01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.760] We bought and paid for those roads. [01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:46.760] Natural Resources Code here in Texas says very specifically what the definition of a highway is. [01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:49.760] That used to be the case in all the statutes. [01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:54.760] The definition of highway always said it was open to the public as a matter of right. [01:21:54.760 --> 01:22:00.760] As they've gone through this natural statutory revision program started in 1963, [01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:11.760] they have slowly and methodically removed the word commercial from before the terms motor vehicle and driver's license. [01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:20.760] And all this in order to confuse the issue and give it the appearance of applying to a broader base of people. [01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:28.760] In this use of encompassing a broader base, the idea was to get their hands on more money. [01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.760] The bigger the base, the more people paying. [01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:32.760] The more people paying, the more money we get. [01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:35.760] The more money we get, the more money we can spend. [01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.760] That's what it's about. [01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.760] Driver's licenses have nothing to do with public safety. [01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:45.760] Absolutely nothing. [01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:47.760] I mean, let's face facts. [01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:53.760] If they had to do with public safety, every driver out of Mexico would have to have one. [01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.760] And they don't. [01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:02.760] A Mexican vehicle is not even required to be registered or inspected to travel here in the US of A. [01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:10.760] As long as it's under the flag of Mexico and engaged in commerce, it's got free rein up and down the highways. [01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:20.760] And if they injure somebody here, kill somebody here, there is nothing the American citizen can do about it. [01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:22.760] Nothing. [01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:28.760] The foreigners are not required to have everything they're telling the Americans they have to have, which is a lie. [01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:37.760] The people of Texas and every other state of the Union do not have to engage in these commercial activities. [01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.760] Traveling is not a commercial activity. [01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:43.760] It is a protected right of liberty. [01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.760] It is a protected right of locomotion. [01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.760] We have every right to go from one state to another. [01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:57.760] We have every right to go from one point to another within our state or any other state. [01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.760] That's an inherent right of liberty. [01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:02.760] The government cannot tax that. [01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:04.760] They cannot license that. [01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:16.760] They cannot regulate that in any manner that can be used to remove it or prevent it from being accessed and utilized by we the people. [01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:19.760] This is straight up common sense, folks. [01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:26.760] I have no right to come to your house and tell you that you will no longer be allowed to drive your car. [01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:41.760] I have no right to come to your house and tell you you will no longer be allowed to store any of your gardening equipment in your shed unless you're willing to pay me a license and register your shed. [01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:47.760] You've got to pay me fees for all of that, and then I'll give you permission to do those things. [01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:55.760] You would laugh at me if I walked up and told you that, provided if you're here in Texas or Tennessee, you didn't try to shoot me first. [01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:58.760] But the point being, I don't have that authority. [01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.760] No one has that authority. [01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:03.760] The property belongs to you. [01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.760] We have the right to the use of our property. [01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:17.760] We have the right to actually enjoy the benefit and use of any piece of property that we buy with our own hard, honest money. [01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:19.760] Okay? [01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:21.760] No one can deny us that right. [01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:28.760] We are not required in any way, shape, or form to use that property to the benefit of anybody else. [01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:34.760] We just simply must take care not to use it to their detriment. [01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:42.760] And my traveling up and down the road, in and of itself, does not constitute a detriment to anyone. [01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:44.760] Same thing applies to you. [01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:54.760] It does not constitute a detriment, a harm, to anybody for anyone to travel from point A to point B in their own private property. [01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:57.760] Just common sense. [01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.760] Now, you get stupid with it. [01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:00.760] You run over somebody. [01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:02.760] You run into somebody. [01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.760] You drive drunk and run off the road and go through the side of their house. [01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.760] You cause the detriment. [01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:11.760] And there is a penalty for that. [01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.760] But it doesn't have to be sanctioned by the state. [01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:16.760] Nothing the state did. [01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:17.760] Nothing. [01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:29.760] The fact that your car was registered, the fact that your car had insurance, the fact that you had a driver's license, none of those things prevented this accident, did it? [01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:34.760] None of those things will undo this accident, will it? [01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:47.760] The insurance has the option of not wanting to pay the claim and making you or the person injured have to fight them to get paid for the harm you caused. [01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:51.760] So you certainly cannot say that insurance will take care of it. [01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:57.760] I know firsthand insurance will do everything they can to get out of it most of the time. [01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:04.760] They will find a way not to pay if it's at all possible, and the courts will help them do that. [01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:14.760] So if what benefit to you is an insurance policy, if the one that's supposed to be paying on it because you paid them for it can turn around and say, no, we're not paying that claim. [01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:17.760] Yeah, we agree it was your fault. [01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:26.760] Yeah, we know you admitted it was your fault, but we're just going to take them to court anyway and force them to get a decision to get this money out of us. [01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:33.760] And we'll just roll the dice and take our chances that we can get out of having to pay as much or anything at all. [01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:36.760] And that's exactly what they do. [01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:51.760] Insurance has gone from what Benjamin Franklin imagined it to be when he invented the concept into nothing more than an organized, legalized death penalty. [01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:56.760] They will take your money. They will tell any amount of money they want to charge you, too. [01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:02.760] Why? Because everybody's under the impression that you must have insurance or you can't use your car. [01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:14.760] Therefore, the insurance company, whose rates, by the way, are set by the state of Texas, not the insurance company, but the state of Texas, they set the rates. [01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:18.760] The state of Texas collects a kickback on the insurance policy. [01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:28.760] The state of Texas collects a fee for each insured automobile on the policy, and they get a fee on every policy issued, [01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:38.760] and they get a $500 a head fee for every agent that is registered to do business in Texas under the name of that insurance company. [01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:42.760] The state's raking it in, folks. [01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:48.760] So the state sets the rates. The state is also the one that issues the citation. [01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:59.760] So let's analyze that. The state issues the citation knowing that the moment you go to court, if you lose, which the state's also in charge of by holding the court hearing, [01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:05.760] that when you lose, your rates are going to go up, and the state set it up that way. [01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:11.760] So now the state's getting more money because the rate on your policy went up. [01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:21.760] Therefore, the rate that the insurance company has to pay to the state went up, and the state organized all of it. [01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:32.760] Now imagine that. If this is not the most convenient way to steal money, I don't know what is. [01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:36.760] It's a racket. It's a total racket. [01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:41.760] I'm going to put a stop to it. All right. Well, Eddie, we've got a whole heap of callers on the call board. [01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.760] You want to start going to some calls when we get back on the other side? 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[01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:51.760] You'll receive our audio classroom, video seminar, tutorials, forms for civil cases, pro se tactics, and much more. [01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:59.760] Please visit ruleoflawradio.com and click on the banner or call toll-free, 866-LAW-EZ. [01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:19.760] Okay, we are back. We're going to your calls. [01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:24.760] All right, we're going to have to take less time than usual with each call, or else we're not going to get to everybody. [01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:26.760] We've got about five, six people on the line. [01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:28.760] We're going to go to Matt in Texas first. [01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:32.760] Matt, thanks for calling in. What's your question for us tonight? [01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:40.760] Hey, I know that you may not have this problem if you don't have license plates, but if I do, [01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:47.760] I had a situation where I went through a full booth, and they sent me a notice saying that I owed them. [01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:53.760] I didn't pay them, and they sent me another notice that it increased to, I don't know, like $20. [01:31:53.760 --> 01:32:00.760] And then if I don't pay that, they're going to turn it over to, I guess, the judicial system. [01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:06.760] So I'm just kind of wondering how you guys would handle that, because I don't believe that I owe it. [01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:11.760] I pay for the roads to begin with, the tax dollars. [01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:17.760] Well, first thing is, is did you have them validate everything as far as taking you to court [01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:20.760] and proving that you did what they're accusing you of? [01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:24.760] Well, it hasn't gotten to that point yet. [01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:32.760] It's actually the company that I guess is in charge of managing the toll roads is the one that sends out [01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:38.760] these letters they're trying to collect, and if I don't pay them, then they turn it over to the state. [01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:42.760] Where is this company located? [01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:52.760] I'd have to look, but I think it's in Texas. [01:32:52.760 --> 01:33:00.760] Well, if you get the opportunity to scan in that whatever information they sent you and shoot it over to me, [01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:05.760] and I'll go over it and give you whatever information I can dig up on it. [01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:12.760] But the fact of the matter is, is that from what I understand about free travel of the roads, [01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:19.760] since they took money from the public, unless this is an entirely private financed toll road, [01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:28.760] which almost practically does not exist, public funds were used to build this road. [01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:34.760] So charging the public a fee for the use of the road will not fly, [01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:40.760] because again, the statute that they would have to be accusing you under would have to appear under the transportation code. [01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:49.760] And if it appears under the transportation code, by definition, it does not apply to a non-commercial traveler. [01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:52.760] That all sounds right to me. [01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:57.760] What email? [01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:07.760] You can get it off of the website, but if you want to direct mail it, it is rangerx64 at gmail.com. [01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:09.760] Okay. [01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:10.760] All right. [01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:11.760] Thanks a lot. [01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:12.760] I appreciate that. [01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:13.760] I'll send that off to you tomorrow. [01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:14.760] Okay. [01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:15.760] All right. [01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:16.760] Thanks, Matt. [01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:17.760] Bye. [01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:18.760] Okay. [01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:20.760] Next is Keith from Texas. [01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:21.760] Keith, thanks for calling in. [01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:22.760] What's on your mind tonight? [01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:24.760] What's your question for us? [01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:30.760] Well, I ran a micro-radio station out in Leander from 1997 to 2000, [01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:45.760] and the FCC had a trial in D.C., or a hearing in D.C., and decided I owed them an $11,000 fine. [01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:57.760] And in 2001, they converted that to a civil judgment in San Antonio, in federal court, [01:34:57.760 --> 01:35:02.760] and they have finally tracked me down and are wanting to collect that fine now. [01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:08.760] And it's the DOJ that's doing it for the FCC. [01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:16.760] And so they, you know, asked me to come down and basically turn over my bank account information, [01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:25.760] tax returns, and a six-page form with everything I own, et cetera, under penalty of perjury, [01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:33.760] quarter-million dollar fine, 10 years in jail if I perjure myself on that form. [01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:36.760] So I didn't fill that form out, and I didn't show up. [01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:41.760] So they've served me with a subpoena deus esticum now to do that, [01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:45.760] and I'm wondering if y'all got some good suggestions. [01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:48.760] I know you're in a similar situation. [01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:56.760] My station is the one that basically started the Patriot radio movement in the Austin area. [01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:05.760] You need to look at the original goings-on and go back and challenge subject matter jurisdiction. [01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.760] I challenged that to start with, and of course they... [01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:12.760] How did you make the challenge? [01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:17.760] You know, I don't recall my wording, but basically that, you know, [01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:29.760] the rule in the USC did not transfer over to the CFR, [01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:39.760] and that was my argument, among others, you know, besides First Amendment, intrastate, et cetera. [01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:42.760] You know, I made all the logical arguments at the time. [01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.760] Okay, that wasn't where I was going, actually. [01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:47.760] Okay. [01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:54.760] The argument we're primarily going to, we start out with the actor himself. [01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:58.760] So far we've found none who have oaths of office. [01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:05.760] See if the guy who originally came out is still there. [01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:10.760] Probably the same guy that was dealt with y'all, Lloyd Perry? [01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:11.760] Who? [01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:12.760] I'm sorry? [01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:13.760] Lloyd Perry? [01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:14.760] No. [01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:15.760] Oh, Lloyd Perry retired. [01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:18.760] No, this is Stephen Lee and Dennis Carlton. [01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:29.760] Okay, do a FOIA to the FCC for Lloyd Perry's oath of office. [01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:33.760] We did that, Deborah did that, and what we got back was garbage. [01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:36.760] Yeah, and I can tell you something else that we're doing. [01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:42.760] Well, I say we, you know, we're helping the individuals involved prepare their documents. [01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:47.760] We don't provide legal services here like that for people, not attorneys, [01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:54.760] one thing that these people are doing is they're not waiting for the Department of Justice to act on behalf of the FCC [01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:56.760] to enforce a forfeiture order. [01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:02.760] What we're doing here is we're filing original petition in the Federal Court of Appeals, [01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:09.760] the Circuit Court of Appeals petitioning the court to review and annul the forfeiture order. [01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:13.760] We're acting as the, or they are acting as the plaintiffs in this case. [01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:20.760] So we're heading them as the plaintiff, we're not waiting for them to enforce anything through the Department of Justice. [01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:21.760] Right. [01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:26.760] It's kind of expensive to go that route because it's a $450 filing fee, [01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:34.760] and I don't believe it is lawful to extract a filing fee of somebody who's trying to do something in a defensive manner, [01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:37.760] but that's the way, that's what Title 28 says. [01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:44.760] Now I can send you, if you like, send me your email, send me an email, [01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:48.760] and I will send you the court filing that these people just sent off, [01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:51.760] but I'm not sure if that would help you in this case. [01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:57.760] I would be interested in reading it, and I sent you an email earlier today, Debra at... [01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.760] Rule of Law Radio? [01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:04.760] You know, I think I just sent it to Rule of Law because that's what I wrote down. [01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:05.760] I'll do it again. [01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:08.760] Yeah, just click on the link on the website. [01:39:08.760 --> 01:39:10.760] Okay. [01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.760] But yeah, I mean, it's down to a collection thing now, [01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:19.760] and you know, like I said, they got it converted to a civil judgment in 2001, [01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:27.760] and it took them that long to find me, although I would say that shows some incompetence on their part. [01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:29.760] You probably weren't that hard to find. [01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:30.760] No, I wasn't. [01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:38.760] I mean, I've had my name on the Internet and my address on the Internet for probably at least six years, if not seven. [01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:44.760] So, you know, it shouldn't have been hard, and it shouldn't have been hard for them to find me to start with [01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:50.760] when they went to do that conversion to a civil judgment. [01:39:50.760 --> 01:40:03.760] But in part of it, what they did was serve me by publication because their marshal could not find me, [01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:09.760] and marshal made a misstatement in his statement saying that he couldn't find me, [01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:17.760] and that he claimed that he talked to somebody that he didn't talk to who he claimed I sold my house to, [01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:22.760] and it wasn't that person at all, but it was a civil incompetence. [01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:27.760] Did they add any fines or fees because of the time? [01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:38.760] Yeah, it was originally $11,000, and they've added interest to that, to the tune of, you know, it's $18,665 or something. [01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:44.760] You can certainly take them, sue the marshal himself. [01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:48.760] You know, a lot of times the best defense is a good aggressive offense. [01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:56.760] The marshal committee, if you have written aggravated perjury against the marshal, go for the marshal. [01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.760] Go for him big time. [01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:07.760] Three times the amount they would defraud you from plus cost, and aggravated perjury against the marshal, [01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:17.760] and give the DOJ a reason to come to you and say, say, Bubba, let's make a deal. [01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:21.760] It's all about revenue generation with these guys, just like with the traffic code. [01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:29.760] It's all about the money, and I've already dissected 47 CFR and Title 47 as well, [01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:40.760] and there is nothing anywhere in any of that statute or that code that prohibits broadcasting radio communications [01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:46.760] on low-power FM without a license unless you're causing interference, period. [01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:51.760] I've totally, totally dissected the code and the statute. [01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:56.760] What they're doing is completely illegal and unfounded in law. [01:41:56.760 --> 01:42:01.760] Whether or not the judge is actually going to abide by the law is a different story. [01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:05.760] Yeah, I don't think anybody's won against them yet in this kind of a deal. [01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:09.760] I don't think anybody has ever totally dissected the code the way that I have yet. [01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:14.760] Well, that might be true, but, you know, Stephen Dunifer had some pretty good lawyers working for him, [01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:21.760] and they ended up tossing every one of his arguments out, which was largely the arguments I was relying on. [01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:26.760] Well, we're taking a little different approach. [01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:33.760] We're going to insist that the judge follow the law. When he doesn't, we go after the judge. [01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:38.760] I'm going to file criminal charges against the U.S. attorney and demand sanctions [01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:43.760] for certain reasons of trying to evade a state lawsuit that was filed. [01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:48.760] I'm going to file a bar grievance against him. I'll file a bar grievance against a federal judge. [01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:53.760] I am not going to stop at these people. I've got nothing to lose here, man. [01:42:53.760 --> 01:43:00.760] I mean, if they're going to go after the people that we're trying to help for $10,000 apiece, [01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:07.760] well, then bring it on, you know, because the fight is going to be on, I'm telling you, [01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:12.760] because the law is very clear. Title 47 is very clear. [01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:21.760] 47 CFR, Section 15, is very clear. There is nothing in Section 15 of 47 CFR [01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:27.760] that regulates broadcasting at all, at all, at all. [01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:33.760] It regulates transmissions, point-to-point transmissions like garage door openers and stuff. [01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.760] I'll argue in front of the Supreme Court if I have to. [01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:42.760] These idiots even admitted in their forfeiture orders that the defendants were broadcasting, [01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:45.760] and they still are trying to charge him under Part 15. [01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:48.760] Nothing in Part 15 regulates broadcasting. [01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:50.760] Anyway, listen, Keith, we're going to break. [01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:52.760] I want to take the rest of our calls on the other side. [01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:54.760] Send me an email, and I'll send you the documents. [01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:55.760] OK. [01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:56.760] All right, thanks. [01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:57.760] All right, bye. [01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:59.760] Bye. [01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.760] In a time where telling the truth is a revolutionary act, [01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:07.760] radicals across the globe are rising up and uniting behind one simple yet profound message. [01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:08.760] Choose freedom. 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[01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:25.760] I'll make it short. [01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:30.760] Number one, I sent you an email in reference to Friday night's program [01:45:30.760 --> 01:45:37.760] about the Supreme Court ruling about being able to sue the pharmaceutical companies. [01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:39.760] Oh, wonderful. [01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:42.760] So you'll have a couple of website citations there. [01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:44.760] You can follow that one up. [01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:48.760] I'm still trying to put a 60-gig hard drive setup back together [01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:50.760] so I have all my data. [01:45:50.760 --> 01:45:54.760] It's getting to be a pain. [01:45:54.760 --> 01:46:01.760] For Eddie, at the very beginning you stated something about magistrates. [01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:07.760] Realize that for magistrates in a lot of the rural counties, [01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:12.760] the one and only magistrate within the county is the county judge. [01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:17.760] There are three counties that do not have any incorporated areas within them, [01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:21.760] so they do not have any mayors. [01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:23.760] Do they have JPs? [01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:24.760] They're not JPs, though. [01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:26.760] They're also magistrates. [01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:28.760] The JPs are not magistrates. [01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:29.760] Yes, they are. [01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:31.760] It's in the code. [01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.760] Only in certain counties. [01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:36.760] Not in certain counties. [01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:38.760] It's in the code. [01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:41.760] It lists who are magistrates. [01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:42.760] 209. [01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:45.760] The JPs in our county, as an example, are not magistrates. [01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.760] There's one magistrate in our county. [01:46:48.760 --> 01:46:49.760] County judge. [01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:51.760] Are you in Texas? [01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:52.760] I'm in Texas. [01:46:52.760 --> 01:46:55.760] If you're in Texas and you have a justice of the peace, [01:46:55.760 --> 01:47:02.760] the code of criminal procedure makes him a magistrate. [01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:05.760] They may claim they're not magistrates, and I get them doing that all the time. [01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:07.760] They just don't know any better. [01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:13.760] I get them to refuse to act as a magistrate, so I can file criminal charges against them. [01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:14.760] You may do that. [01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:18.760] In the increased population areas of Texas, they are magistrates, [01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:21.760] but not in a lot of the rural counties. [01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:23.760] They just say that they're not. [01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:27.760] Yes, they say that, but here in Article 2.09, who are magistrates? [01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.760] Each of the following officers is a magistrate within the meaning of this code. [01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:34.760] The justices of the Supreme Court, the judges of the Court of Criminal Appeals, [01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:38.760] the justices of the Courts of Appeals, the judges of the District Court, [01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:41.760] the magistrates appointed by the judges of the District Courts of Bexar County, [01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:45.760] Dallas County, or Tarrant County that give preference to criminal cases, [01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:48.760] the criminal law hearing officers for Harris County, [01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:51.760] appointed under Subchapter L, Chapter 54, Government Code, [01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:54.760] criminal law hearing officers for Cameron. [01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:58.760] And it goes down and down and down on these, okay, [01:47:58.760 --> 01:48:03.760] on each of the individual what they call home rule counties, basically speaking. [01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:07.760] They're specific named counties within several sections of the statute. [01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:11.760] The judges of the county courts at law, judges of the county criminal courts, [01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:13.760] the judges of the statutory probate courts, [01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:16.760] the associate judges appointed by the judges of the statutory probate courts [01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:21.760] under Subchapter G, Chapter 54, Government Code, the justice of the peace, [01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:24.760] and the mayors and recorders and the judges of the municipal courts [01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:26.760] of incorporated cities or towns. [01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:28.760] The justice of the peace is specifically listed... [01:48:28.760 --> 01:48:31.760] All the incorporated cities and towns read that whole thing together. [01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:32.760] No, no, no. [01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:35.760] A justice of the peace has nothing to do with an incorporated city or town. [01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:38.760] Only the municipal court judge does. [01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:43.760] The mayors and recorders and the judges of the municipal courts of incorporated cities or towns. [01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:49.760] The justice of the peace is listed completely separate from that. [01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:51.760] All right. [01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:53.760] They just don't want to do their job. [01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:55.760] They just say that they're not. [01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:57.760] Well... [01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:05.760] If they're a duly elected justice of the peace, they are a magistrate. [01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:09.760] If I take them a criminal complaint and they refuse to take it, [01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.760] I would be glad to call 911. [01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:15.760] Or if there's a bailiff there, ask the bailiff to arrest the judge. [01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:19.760] That is a hoot. [01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:21.760] Randy, you know my blight out here. [01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:25.760] That's why I'm running for office and my wife is running for office. [01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:27.760] Good for y'all. [01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:30.760] We can't get anything done all the way up to the district judge, [01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:34.760] which is not in this county. [01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:40.760] The trickiest is to get them outside subject matter jurisdiction and sue them. [01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:43.760] That is a hoot. [01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.760] And easier done than you might think. [01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:46.760] Yeah. [01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:48.760] It may be easy to do, [01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:55.760] but you still wind up getting outside the same district judge problem that we are in. [01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:58.760] And that's a whole other subject than the traffic setup. [01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:00.760] Once you start... [01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:05.760] On the other side of insurance, Randy, let me stay back on subject matter here, [01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:07.760] and we'll get back on the other one. [01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:11.760] Yes, because we've got two other callers and we have about seven minutes left. [01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:12.760] Yeah. [01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:13.760] All right. [01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:17.760] For traffic, if people don't want to travel without insurance, [01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:20.760] they don't have to get vehicle or insurance. [01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:25.760] They can do what some people do and they'll get personal liability insurance. [01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:30.760] Personal liability insurance has nothing to do with vehicles. [01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:33.760] And it is a great deal cheaper. [01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:36.760] And those rates are not set by the state. [01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:39.760] You can get a blanket policy. [01:50:39.760 --> 01:50:43.760] Any of the standard insurance companies will issue them. [01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:49.760] And they will cover all of your personal actions no matter what you do, [01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:51.760] no matter where you're at. [01:50:51.760 --> 01:50:53.760] You are a gem. [01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:54.760] That's great, Pat. [01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:57.760] Send us some information on that, please, in an email. [01:50:57.760 --> 01:50:58.760] Yeah. [01:50:58.760 --> 01:50:59.760] All right. [01:50:59.760 --> 01:51:00.760] I'll put it in an email. [01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.760] You can go on their specific website. [01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:08.760] One of my brothers, he makes, I don't know, a few million dollars a year. [01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:11.760] He has a blanket policy. [01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:19.760] And his blanket policy for one million dollars is less than what most people pay for car insurance for six months. [01:51:19.760 --> 01:51:21.760] That's great. [01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:23.760] So, and that covers his whole family. [01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.760] That's wonderful. [01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.760] So, you know, it's a simple thing to do and you get – [01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:32.760] nobody can cite you for not having insurance at that point. [01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:36.760] You do have it because all you're required to have is liability insurance. [01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:37.760] Wonderful. [01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:38.760] According to them. [01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.760] But on the other side, if you get stopped, [01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:47.760] they want to confiscate your vehicle and all that kind of good stuff. [01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:49.760] I remember what Michael Badnerich said one time. [01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:50.760] He got stopped. [01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:53.760] They were going to confiscate his vehicle. [01:51:53.760 --> 01:52:02.760] And he just asked the young officer if he was going to violate his civil rights in particular, [01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:07.760] the one dealing with private property, which I can't put you right off the top of my head. [01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:12.760] Fourth Amendment, free from unreasonable search procedure. [01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:17.760] Michael Badnerich actually said civil rights? [01:52:17.760 --> 01:52:21.760] Listen, we've got five minutes left and we have two other callers. [01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:22.760] Go ahead. [01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:23.760] I just wanted to touch on that. [01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:24.760] Okay, thanks. [01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:25.760] No problem. Bye-bye. [01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:26.760] Thanks, Pat. [01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:29.760] Okay, yeah, I just didn't want to make these people wait and not take their call. [01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:32.760] We've got Doug from Texas who says he's a first-time caller. [01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:33.760] Thanks for calling, Doug. [01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:36.760] What is your question? [01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:39.760] Okay, I've got an old 64 GTO. [01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:44.760] I like to get it out of the garage every once in a while and drive around the block and stuff. [01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:49.760] But I hate getting insurance on that darn thing and having a tag and stickers and everything. [01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:54.760] I was wondering if they'd pull me over, what would I tell them? [01:52:54.760 --> 01:53:00.760] You need Eddie's material from the seminar. [01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:01.760] Just a hand on the documentation. [01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:03.760] Traffic affidavit will tell you a lot, too. [01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:05.760] The what? [01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:09.760] In that seminar material is the traffic affidavit and notice, [01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:14.760] which basically outlines everything that the officer needs to know right up front. [01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:20.760] Anytime he asks for license registration and proof of insurance, you give him this affidavit instead. [01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:22.760] Yeah, correct. [01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:26.760] But what if he just throws that affidavit and that haul's in my car? [01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:28.760] Then you sue him. [01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:30.760] I pull out of him personally. [01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.760] You sue him for grand theft. [01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:34.760] Grand theft, Donald? [01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:35.760] No, they don't have that. [01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:38.760] It's grand theft because of the money amount involved. [01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:40.760] Those GTOs ain't coming cheap these days. [01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:44.760] It's in 1964, the first few days ever made. [01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:48.760] When you mentioned it, I was going to ask if I could borrow it for a couple of years. [01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:51.760] Don't ever let Randy touch your car. [01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:53.760] I'd bring it back as soon as I tore it up. [01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:55.760] Don't ever let Randy touch your car. [01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:57.760] I'd always just drive around the block, burning my tires and stuff, [01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:01.760] enjoying life a little bit and then park it back in the garage. [01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:05.760] Well, I like what Pat just said about the personal liability insurance. [01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:06.760] That's kind of nice. [01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:09.760] Do you think that's what I ought to look into? [01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:13.760] Well, if you want to have insurance on it so that anything happens to it, [01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:15.760] you're covered, then yeah. [01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.760] But now remember, that's personal liability. [01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:21.760] It's not necessarily going to cover repairs to your car, [01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:23.760] but it would cover you if somebody else tried to sue you [01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:27.760] or you caused damages that somebody else wanted to be paid for. [01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:28.760] Yeah. [01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:31.760] Well, I just hate for them to impound my old GTO. [01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:33.760] You know, I've had it for years and years. [01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:37.760] They would hate it a lot worse for you to come after them for impounding that GTO. [01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:39.760] Believe me. [01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:42.760] I mean, hell, I bought that thing when I got back from Vietnam, [01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:45.760] and I just hate losing it. [01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.760] Yeah, well, Randy could tell you that I told those officers in Rockdale, [01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:50.760] they were saying, well, we're going to have your car towed. [01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:51.760] I said, no, you're not. [01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:54.760] That's the only car I got, and it's the way I'm getting home, [01:54:54.760 --> 01:54:56.760] and you're not towing my car. [01:54:56.760 --> 01:54:58.760] That's when he was waiting for them to try to beat me into unconsciousness, [01:54:58.760 --> 01:54:59.760] as he puts it. [01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:00.760] He was? [01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:01.760] Yeah, I was listening on the cell. [01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:03.760] I was waiting for that part. [01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:07.760] Well, I just hate for them to steal my car, you know what I mean? [01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:08.760] Yeah. [01:55:08.760 --> 01:55:12.760] I mean, I don't mind if they take my old five tours or my truck or anything else. [01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:16.760] You know, it's just my enjoyment car, my old car I've had for years and years. [01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:21.760] Well, one thing I would recommend you do, especially if that's what the... [01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:22.760] Hello. [01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:24.760] Eddie? [01:55:24.760 --> 01:55:26.760] Eddie, you've been kind of blanking out lately. [01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:28.760] I'm sorry. [01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:31.760] Get you one or two of those little digital recorders. [01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:35.760] I keep them with you the entire time you're in the car. [01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:39.760] I keep one over my visor directly over my head, [01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:43.760] and then I keep another one usually somewhere else in my car at least [01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:45.760] so that there's always more than one source, [01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:50.760] and any time I get stopped or approached, it's being recorded. [01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:51.760] Okay. [01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:52.760] That's what you'd do. [01:55:52.760 --> 01:55:54.760] That's what I would do. [01:55:54.760 --> 01:55:57.760] And if you ever do wind up in that situation, give us a call back, [01:55:57.760 --> 01:56:02.760] we'll deal with it, with the seminar material and going after them directly. [01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:03.760] That helps. [01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:05.760] It's safe to lose that old GTL. [01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:07.760] Yes, sir, I understand. [01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:10.760] I had that redone when I came back from Vietnam, you know? [01:56:10.760 --> 01:56:11.760] Yes, sir. [01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:13.760] I had my brother redo it and everything. [01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:15.760] It's just been an enjoyment in my life. [01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:18.760] I don't want to lose it no matter what. [01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:21.760] I'd rather lose my house than that old car. [01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:22.760] Me, you know? [01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:24.760] Doug, why don't you call back in on Thursday? [01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:27.760] We've got about a minute and a half left and I want to take this last caller. [01:56:27.760 --> 01:56:28.760] All right, thanks, Doug. [01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:29.760] Thank you, Doug. [01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:31.760] All right. [01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:35.760] Okay, Dan from Connecticut, what do you have for us? [01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:36.760] Excellent. [01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:38.760] My specialty is really fast talking, [01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:40.760] so I'll just give you good news in a minute and a half. [01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:41.760] Are you ready? [01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:43.760] That's because he's a politician. [01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:44.760] Exactly. [01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:47.760] Well, first piece of good news, Michael Badnerig is on the road to recovery, [01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:51.760] and he will again fight again once again on another day. [01:56:51.760 --> 01:56:52.760] All right. [01:56:52.760 --> 01:56:53.760] That is good news. [01:56:53.760 --> 01:56:56.760] Second piece of good news, you remember Yolanda Madden from Cop Busters? [01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:57.760] Yeah. [01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:02.760] Sentence was vacated, new trial, federal court. [01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:04.760] I just got an email from her dad today. [01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:09.760] I guess he says that's never happened before in that court. [01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:11.760] So he's all ready to go on the offensive, [01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:14.760] and he's going to go ahead and kick butt this time, [01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:21.760] and he actually has a copy of a plagiarized writ of habeas corpus. [01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:23.760] I wonder where that came from. [01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:27.760] Well, he plagiarized that from, but whoever it was, he did really kick butt work. [01:57:27.760 --> 01:57:31.760] I don't know if that led to it, but it kind of set him on the right path, I think, [01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.760] and I'll find out more later. [01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:37.760] Third piece of good news, Woodstock Community School tomorrow. [01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:39.760] For all you listeners in Connecticut, [01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:43.760] Peter Schiff and myself will be taking on the Neocons at a candidate forum. [01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:45.760] Please show up and show your support. [01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:49.760] Seven to nine p.m., and if it snows and we get piles of global warming, [01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:54.760] the global warming postponement date will be on the 26th. [01:57:54.760 --> 01:57:56.760] How'd I do? [01:57:56.760 --> 01:57:57.760] Great. [01:57:57.760 --> 01:57:58.760] Excellent. [01:57:58.760 --> 01:58:00.760] Did good for a fast-talking politician. [01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:02.760] Wonderful. Thanks, Dan. [01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:04.760] Well, that's what us Yankees do, take it easy. [01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:05.760] Okay. [01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:09.760] All right, Gary from Texas, I'm sorry we don't have time to take your call. [01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:12.760] We're already at the end of the show, but we will be back Thursday night. [01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:15.760] You're welcome to call back in Thursday. [01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:19.760] This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens. [01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:23.760] Don't forget, John Bush and Katherine Bleich, brand new show, [01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:28.760] Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 7 to 10 a.m., Rise Up Radio, [01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:33.760] where we don't wake up around here, we rise up. [01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:35.760] We'll see y'all Thursday night. [01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:37.760] Hi, everybody. [01:58:37.760 --> 01:58:45.760] We'll see y'all Thursday night. [01:59:07.760 --> 01:59:17.760] We'll see y'all Thursday night. [01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:47.760] We'll see y'all Thursday night. [01:59:47.760 --> 01:59:57.760] We'll see y'all Thursday night. [01:59:57.760 --> 02:00:07.760] We'll see y'all Thursday night.