[00:00.000 --> 00:09.840]  A new report from the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations has found manipulated trading
[00:09.840 --> 00:14.200]  in the oil market adds 50 percent to the consumer price.
[00:14.200 --> 00:19.360]  And when other commodity markets are accounted for, the total addition to consumer prices
[00:19.360 --> 00:22.840]  is between two and four trillion dollars a year.
[00:22.840 --> 00:29.040]  A suspected U.S. drone aircraft fired two missiles into a Pakistani militant stronghold
[00:29.040 --> 00:31.360]  on Wednesday, killing four people.
[00:31.360 --> 00:34.880]  It is the 40th such attack this year.
[00:34.880 --> 00:40.120]  The CIA attack was in North Waziristan, a Taliban and al-Qaeda stronghold.
[00:40.120 --> 00:44.680]  U.S. officials say the strikes are carried out under an agreement with Islamabad that
[00:44.680 --> 00:52.080]  allows Pakistani leaders to decry the attacks in public.
[00:52.080 --> 00:56.560]  The U.S. government took the first steps Wednesday to reverse a Bush administration rule that
[00:56.560 --> 01:01.960]  allowed coal mine operators to dump excavated material into streams.
[01:01.960 --> 01:06.880]  Frank Quimby, spokesman for the Interior Department, said the Interior Department will seek to
[01:06.880 --> 01:13.120]  strengthen its oversight to protect streams from the adverse impacts of coal mining, including
[01:13.120 --> 01:16.160]  while the new rules are being worked out.
[01:16.160 --> 01:21.200]  The Bush administration in its last weeks overturned a rule that had stood for 25 years
[01:21.200 --> 01:26.560]  and had broadly prohibited dumping excess material produced in coal mining operations,
[01:26.560 --> 01:30.160]  called overburden, within 100 feet of streams.
[01:30.160 --> 01:35.640]  Under the old rule, overburden could only be dumped near streams if doing so would not
[01:35.640 --> 01:40.360]  adversely affect the water quality, but the Bush administration rule allowed a surface
[01:40.360 --> 01:45.400]  coal mine operator to place excess material into streams if they could show it was not
[01:45.400 --> 01:51.160]  reasonably possible to avoid doing so.
[01:51.160 --> 01:55.920]  The U.S. security company formerly called Blackwater Worldwide is facing millions of
[01:55.920 --> 02:00.200]  dollars in fines for unlicensed arm shipments to Iraq.
[02:00.200 --> 02:04.880]  A key congressional committee is asking for an investigation into whether the company
[02:04.880 --> 02:07.480]  bribed Iraqi officials.
[02:07.480 --> 02:11.600]  Executives from the company, now known as Zee Services, are negotiating with government
[02:11.600 --> 02:16.080]  regulators over years of violations of export laws.
[02:16.080 --> 02:20.520]  Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, has asked the State Department's
[02:20.520 --> 02:26.160]  Inspector General to investigate Zee's continued fitness to carry out contract work for the
[02:26.160 --> 02:27.160]  State Department.
[02:27.160 --> 02:32.200]  The letter cited a report in the New York Times last week that Blackwater executives
[02:32.200 --> 02:37.840]  approved a plan to make secret payments to Iraqi officials after Blackwater employees
[02:37.840 --> 02:42.640]  killed 17 Iraqi civilians in 2007.
[02:42.640 --> 02:46.640]  The State Department has terminated most of Zee's contracts in Iraq.
[02:46.640 --> 03:10.440]  It continues to pay the company millions of dollars to protect diplomats in Afghanistan.
[06:47.520 --> 07:11.520]  That's what made you chuck it on me!
[07:11.520 --> 07:12.520]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[07:12.520 --> 07:13.520]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[07:13.520 --> 07:14.520]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[07:14.520 --> 07:15.520]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[07:15.520 --> 07:16.520]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[07:16.520 --> 07:17.520]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[07:17.520 --> 07:18.520] den, when they come for you?
[07:18.520 --> 07:19.520]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[07:19.520 --> 07:20.520]  Den, when they come for you?
[07:20.520 --> 07:21.520]  Den, when they come for you?
[07:21.520 --> 07:22.520]  Den, when they come for you?
[07:22.520 --> 07:23.520]  Whatcha gonna do?
[07:23.520 --> 07:24.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:24.520 --> 07:25.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:25.520 --> 07:26.520]  Du, when they come for you?
[07:26.520 --> 07:27.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:27.520 --> 07:28.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:28.520 --> 07:29.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:29.520 --> 07:30.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:30.520 --> 07:31.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:31.520 --> 07:32.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:32.520 --> 07:33.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:33.520 --> 07:34.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:34.520 --> 07:35.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:35.520 --> 07:36.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:36.520 --> 07:37.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:37.520 --> 07:38.520]  Du, when they come for me?
[07:38.520 --> 07:44.740]  such attack this year. The CIA attack was in North Waziristan, a Taliban and
[07:44.740 --> 07:48.820]  al-Qaeda stronghold. U.S. officials say the strikes are carried out under an
[07:48.820 --> 07:53.540]  agreement with Islamabad that allows Pakistani leaders to decry the attacks
[07:53.540 --> 08:01.380]  in public. The U.S. government took the first steps Wednesday to reverse a Bush
[08:01.380 --> 08:05.780]  administration rule that allowed coal mine operators to dump excavated
[08:05.780 --> 08:10.480]  material into streams. Frank Quimby, spokesman for the Interior Department,
[08:10.480 --> 08:15.080]  said the Interior Department will seek to strengthen this oversight to protect
[08:15.080 --> 08:20.520]  streams from the adverse impacts of coal mining, including while the new rules are
[08:20.520 --> 08:25.480]  being worked out. The Bush administration in its last weeks overturned a rule that
[08:25.480 --> 08:30.560]  had stood for 25 years and had broadly prohibited dumping excess material
[08:30.560 --> 08:35.120]  produced in coal mining operations called overburden within 100 feet of
[08:35.120 --> 08:40.280]  streams. Under the old rule, overburden could only be dumped near streams if
[08:40.280 --> 08:45.320]  doing so would not adversely affect the water quality, but the Bush administration
[08:45.320 --> 08:49.520]  rule allowed a surface coal mine operator to place excess material into
[08:49.520 --> 08:54.240]  streams if they could show it was not reasonably possible to avoid doing so.
[08:54.240 --> 09:01.960]  The U.S. security company formerly called Blackwater Worldwide is facing millions
[09:01.960 --> 09:07.280]  of dollars in fines for unlicensed arm shipments to Iraq. A key congressional
[09:07.280 --> 09:12.000]  committee is asking for an investigation into whether the company bribed Iraqi
[09:12.000 --> 09:17.200]  officials. Executives from the company now known as Z Services are negotiating
[09:17.200 --> 09:22.600]  with government regulators over years of violations of export laws. Senator John
[09:22.600 --> 09:26.080]  Kerry, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, has asked the State
[09:26.080 --> 09:30.560]  Department's Inspector General to investigate Z's continued fitness to
[09:30.560 --> 09:34.880]  carry out contract work for the State Department. The letter cited a report in
[09:34.880 --> 09:39.880]  the New York Times last week that Blackwater executives approved a plan to
[09:39.880 --> 09:44.880]  make secret payments to Iraqi officials after Blackwater employees killed 17
[09:44.880 --> 09:51.000]  Iraqi civilians in 2007. The State Department has terminated most of Z's
[09:51.000 --> 09:55.460]  contracts in Iraq, yet continues to pay the company millions of dollars to
[09:55.460 --> 10:02.460]  protect diplomats in Afghanistan.
[10:55.460 --> 11:16.480]  All right. Bad boys, bad boys. What are you going to do when we come for you?
[11:16.480 --> 11:24.120]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens. Sorry for the repeat bumper and
[11:24.120 --> 11:29.160]  news there. We were having some technical problems on this end. We have Eddie Craig
[11:29.160 --> 11:33.840]  with us tonight. He is going to be joining us on Thursday nights from now on,
[11:33.840 --> 11:39.440]  which we are very happy about. And tonight we want to address a very
[11:39.440 --> 11:44.680]  important issue. And first of all, I want to say to each and every one of you out
[11:44.680 --> 11:51.880]  there that cares for us and helps us, we care deeply for each and every one of
[11:51.880 --> 11:58.080]  you. And we very much appreciate everyone who cares for us and helps us out very
[11:58.080 --> 12:07.760]  much. As many of you know, there's an issue here with the local micros. We have
[12:07.760 --> 12:12.360]  not wanted to discuss the situation on the air because there are private clients
[12:12.360 --> 12:18.080]  involved, but we have to now because we have to reach out for the listeners' help
[12:18.080 --> 12:24.520]  at this point. Many of you have heard the PSAs that Randy and I put up today on
[12:24.520 --> 12:29.160]  the local micros. Actually, we did PSAs for the local micros. Rule of Law
[12:29.160 --> 12:33.760]  Radio is not directly associated with the micros. However, we are offering our
[12:33.760 --> 12:43.800]  assistance to them. Big problems with the FCC, big problems with the FCC in the
[12:43.800 --> 12:49.680]  Oklahoma micros as well. Chris Emery is going to be calling in to discuss that
[12:49.680 --> 12:54.040]  situation. He has some information on that. He's not directly associated with
[12:54.040 --> 13:00.320]  the micros up there either, but he has information on what's been going on.
[13:00.320 --> 13:06.720]  Randy, do you want to give an overview here? We just filed suit against
[13:06.720 --> 13:13.200]  some agents today, and Randy is a co-plaintiff because it affects his show.
[13:13.200 --> 13:18.760]  It affects our show, so Randy has agreed to be a co-plaintiff, so why don't we
[13:18.760 --> 13:29.000]  give some background here, Randy? Okay, this goes to 47 U.S. Code 151, which
[13:29.000 --> 13:35.920]  established the Federal Communications Commission, and the commission was
[13:35.920 --> 13:42.120]  established for the purpose of making radio communications available to the
[13:42.120 --> 13:49.640]  general public, to everyone. But back in the 30s, in the 20s and 30s, when radio
[13:49.640 --> 13:55.920]  was first coming about, setting up a radio station was a rather expensive
[13:55.920 --> 14:04.760]  endeavor, and at the time there was a considerable amount of competition for
[14:04.760 --> 14:12.640]  frequencies. So the government put in the Federal Communications Commission, and it
[14:12.640 --> 14:24.000]  was clearly their stated purpose for the commission to regulate interstate
[14:24.000 --> 14:36.080]  and international radio communications. Over time, like any federal agency, the
[14:36.080 --> 14:46.480]  agency has tended to increase its grasp or its scope, and they moved into the
[14:46.480 --> 14:54.280]  state. What they're doing now is they're claiming that if you broadcast
[14:54.280 --> 15:02.480]  anything in the air anywhere, they have jurisdiction over you. They can
[15:02.480 --> 15:06.520]  tell you what to do with it. And that's not what the law says, actually, if you go to
[15:06.520 --> 15:14.360]  47 U.S.C. Section 301, paragraph D, it specifically states that they only have
[15:14.360 --> 15:20.880]  jurisdiction over radio transmissions that are intrastate only if they
[15:20.880 --> 15:25.720]  also cross state lines or cause some kind of interference with frequencies
[15:25.720 --> 15:32.600]  across state lines. It has to be something to do with interstate. It has to
[15:32.600 --> 15:38.320]  have to do with commerce, and it has to do with interfering of frequencies. End of
[15:38.320 --> 15:47.160]  story. Now, the courts have stretched it, though, however, big-time.
[15:49.600 --> 15:59.000]  You were about to say, Randy? Oh, yeah. I have 47 U.S.C. 151. Purpose of Act,
[15:59.000 --> 16:04.640]  Federal Communications Commission created for the purpose of regulating
[16:04.640 --> 16:11.600]  interstate and foreign commerce in communication by wire and radio so as to
[16:11.600 --> 16:17.000]  make available, so far as possible, to all of the people of the United States
[16:17.000 --> 16:20.720]  without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or
[16:20.720 --> 16:27.760]  sex, a rapid, efficient nationwide and worldwide wire and radio communication
[16:27.760 --> 16:32.400]  service with adequate facilities at reasonable charges for the purpose of
[16:32.400 --> 16:37.200]  national defense, for the purpose of promoting safety of life and property
[16:37.200 --> 16:41.200]  through use of wire and radio communication, and for the purpose of
[16:41.200 --> 16:46.920]  securing a more effective execution of the policy by centralizing authority
[16:46.920 --> 16:51.280]  heretofore granted by law to several agencies and by granting additional
[16:51.280 --> 16:56.440]  authority with respect to interstate and foreign commerce in wire and radio
[16:56.440 --> 17:01.680]  communications. All right, we'll be right back. You feel tired when talking
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[18:01.880 --> 18:28.600]  Okay, we are back. Okay, so it's clear from from their charter and from sections
[18:28.600 --> 18:35.080]  of their code that they only have jurisdiction over interstate commercial
[18:35.080 --> 18:39.440]  activity, but the courts have stretched it beyond belief, and we'll get into some
[18:39.440 --> 18:46.840]  of that case law here. It was the intent of the legislation that the federal
[18:46.840 --> 18:54.480]  government control interstate and international communication. Now it's
[18:54.480 --> 19:01.120]  important to consider. Now this is an issue we will be bringing up. This is, I'm
[19:01.120 --> 19:13.640]  looking at 47 USC 151. If we go to 47 USC 153, isn't that what it is, Eddie, the
[19:13.640 --> 19:24.040]  definitions? Correct. Yes, it's 153. We go to 153. We go down to state. Now this is
[19:24.040 --> 19:27.840]  Eddie's really gonna like this one. Eddie's the one that found it for me. Yeah,
[19:27.840 --> 19:31.560]  I found it too. I found that right off the bat, and then you told me that Eddie
[19:31.560 --> 19:39.400]  found it, so we were both on it. Yeah, they're both on it. 40, state. Now before I
[19:39.400 --> 19:44.920]  read you the definition of state, think. What do you think state means when the
[19:44.920 --> 19:54.160]  feds use it in a statute? Now I'm going to tell you what they say it means. State,
[19:54.160 --> 20:04.720]  the term state, capital S, includes the District of Columbia and the
[20:04.720 --> 20:13.960]  territories and possessions. And this is something I referred to once before.
[20:13.960 --> 20:22.680]  Those of us in the United States, the name of the country or the union that
[20:22.680 --> 20:28.600]  the several individual states entered into is called the United
[20:28.600 --> 20:37.560]  States, and we tend to forget that states doesn't mean county or a big
[20:37.560 --> 20:44.200]  county, where a county is a part of a larger political entity. In this case,
[20:44.200 --> 20:50.240]  state means the singular sovereign entity itself. Great Britain is a state,
[20:50.240 --> 20:56.920]  Germany is a state, France is a state, Texas is a state, Ohio is a state, the
[20:56.920 --> 21:03.640]  District of Columbia is a state, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and so
[21:03.640 --> 21:10.480]  forth. And in this particular instance, it's clear in the code that the term
[21:10.480 --> 21:15.720]  state with a capital letter includes the District of Columbia and the territories
[21:15.720 --> 21:22.360]  and possessions. When you go back and read the statutes, that becomes very
[21:22.360 --> 21:31.480]  important. Individuals in the Federal Communications Commission have
[21:31.480 --> 21:37.720]  juxtaposed the meaning of state in the code to the meaning of state in
[21:37.720 --> 21:44.800]  Webster's, and they're not the same. That's one of the issues we'll be taking
[21:44.800 --> 21:53.960]  on. The other issue is that it is the intent of the legislation that open
[21:53.960 --> 22:01.280]  communications be made available. What has happened in the last few years is
[22:01.280 --> 22:08.280]  that the antitrust laws have been ignored. The large media corporations
[22:08.280 --> 22:14.320]  have been allowed to swallow up all the local news agencies and radio stations
[22:14.320 --> 22:22.480]  until we have five primary oligarchs that control the national media. Those
[22:22.480 --> 22:28.800]  five oligarchs are all very politically sensitive, and they, for the most part,
[22:28.800 --> 22:35.480]  do what the incumbent administration directs them to do. So instead of
[22:35.480 --> 22:40.960]  making radio communications available to everybody, they've combined them all
[22:40.960 --> 22:49.080]  into a few individuals who control what the public hears. And as to the states,
[22:49.080 --> 22:55.800]  as to the local communications, the Federal Communications Commission was
[22:55.800 --> 23:05.240]  required, it has a duty to issue a license if a applicant is qualified. It
[23:05.240 --> 23:14.800]  is their duty, but they have not issued a low-power license since 2003, period.
[23:14.800 --> 23:21.920]  They stopped issuing license to all the local transmitters, collected all of the
[23:21.920 --> 23:30.440]  transmitters, the broadcasters that were around into five primary groups that
[23:30.440 --> 23:37.480]  whatever incumbent, whatever power has the most money controls and now
[23:37.480 --> 23:43.400]  essentially completely controls the media. George Orwell would roll over in
[23:43.400 --> 23:50.000]  his grave. Yeah, and not only that, from reading the statute on its face, we don't
[23:50.000 --> 23:55.320]  even need a license. People who want to set up low powers, anyone. And when I say
[23:55.320 --> 24:01.760]  we, I mean we the people. We don't need a license from these guys if what we would
[24:01.760 --> 24:06.760]  want to do is strictly within the boundaries of the state, because their
[24:06.760 --> 24:13.520]  statute specifically says they have jurisdiction only over interstate
[24:13.520 --> 24:19.240]  transmissions that are commercial in nature. So we don't even need, we the
[24:19.240 --> 24:24.120]  people don't even need no stinking license. Not only that, it impedes the
[24:24.120 --> 24:31.600]  state's abilities to tax and regulate activity that strictly go on within the
[24:31.600 --> 24:36.600]  boundaries of the state. Not that we want them to anyway. Texas deregulated radio
[24:36.600 --> 24:44.840]  transmissions in 1981, but if they wanted to, they couldn't. Okay, now I framed that
[24:44.840 --> 24:53.280]  so I could go to how the FCC got themselves into regulation of
[24:53.280 --> 24:59.720]  communications in the state. And a primary case here is, let's see if I
[24:59.720 --> 25:09.900]  can pronounce this guy's name. Where'd he go? Gagliardo. Dominic Peter
[25:09.900 --> 25:19.520]  Gagliardo. The no good rotten scumbag was in Las Vegas, shortwave radio
[25:19.520 --> 25:27.440]  transmitting porn. And they clobbered him. And he stated, he stated, this appellate
[25:27.440 --> 25:32.840]  contends that 18 U.S.A. 1464 is unconstitutional and an intense amendment because
[25:32.840 --> 25:37.360]  it is an attempt to exercise police power reserved to the states. It's well
[25:37.360 --> 25:41.360]  established that Congress has the power under the Commerce Clause, Article 1,
[25:41.360 --> 25:45.880]  paragraph 8 of the Constitution, to impose penal sanctions on what it
[25:45.880 --> 25:50.280]  considers to be normally objectionable conduct so long as the activities ought
[25:50.280 --> 25:56.800]  to be regulated is commerce which concerns more states than one and has
[25:56.800 --> 26:03.560]  real and substantial relation to the national interests. That's what the
[26:03.560 --> 26:08.520]  courts have said. Appellate argues that the activities here involve wholly
[26:08.520 --> 26:13.080]  intrastate transmissions because the normal range of a citizen's radio
[26:13.080 --> 26:17.760]  transmission is from 10 to 25 miles, which would mean that transmissions from
[26:17.760 --> 26:22.640]  Las Vegas, Nevada would not cross Nevada's borders. And because there is no
[26:22.640 --> 26:25.920]  evidence in the record that the transmissions of the appellant were in
[26:25.920 --> 26:33.320]  fact heard outside of Nevada. The courts claimed there is evidence in the record
[26:33.320 --> 26:37.920]  however that transmissions of the type appellant and the sending are capable of
[26:37.920 --> 26:42.560]  traveling beyond the border, beyond the Nevada border and being heard in other
[26:42.560 --> 26:48.400]  states under unusual atmospheric conditions. The fact that transmissions
[26:48.400 --> 26:54.040]  or other, I'm sorry, the fact that transmissions over citizen's band radio
[26:54.040 --> 26:58.920]  may cross state borders either because of unusual atmospheric conditions or
[26:58.920 --> 27:02.960]  because the transmitter is located near a border justifies a conclusion that such
[27:02.960 --> 27:06.640]  transmissions have a substantial enough effect on interstate commerce to empower
[27:06.640 --> 27:15.680]  Congress to regulate all citizens band radio. I have one thing to say about
[27:15.680 --> 27:26.440]  that. Horse manure. Under unusual atmospheric conditions the federal
[27:26.440 --> 27:32.880]  government claims that it is theoretically possible that this signal
[27:32.880 --> 27:40.120]  that will normally only travel 25 miles will travel up through the atmosphere
[27:40.120 --> 27:50.080]  125 miles, reach the ionosphere, bounce off of the ionosphere and come back down
[27:50.080 --> 27:58.680]  another 125 miles and land some hundred miles away in another state and if it
[27:58.680 --> 28:05.520]  does do that under unusual atmospheric conditions that it will have an effect
[28:05.520 --> 28:16.360]  on interstate commerce. Or it could. And maybe. What I maintain is so. That's a
[28:16.360 --> 28:22.000]  preemptive, that's a preemptive doctrine. Yeah. Now you need to show me that the
[28:22.000 --> 28:27.200]  effect, the effect that it has on interstate commerce is a negative or
[28:27.200 --> 28:35.600]  dilatory effect. Now they haven't shown that in fact transmission exceeded the
[28:35.600 --> 28:41.680]  borders of the state. Neither have they shown that it had an effect on interstate
[28:41.680 --> 28:47.960]  commerce. Neither have they shown that the effect was dilatory or negative. And
[28:47.960 --> 28:53.360]  they want to come say that we can come put on our jackboots and stomp through
[28:53.360 --> 28:59.800]  the state and take away all your liberties, specifically your right to
[28:59.800 --> 29:06.080]  pursue happiness. If transmitting pornography on a shortwave radio makes
[29:06.080 --> 29:16.640]  this moron happy, well I don't have to like it. But it is my duty to defend his
[29:16.640 --> 29:21.000]  right to transmit. Now there are other laws concerning pornography that
[29:21.000 --> 29:27.080]  are in the state and they can beam up with that one. But not by the feds
[29:27.080 --> 29:31.960]  stomping in the state and taking away the sovereignty of the state. That's what
[29:31.960 --> 29:40.000]  we're challenging here. We're looking at a low-power FM that they're not going to
[29:40.000 --> 29:44.240]  maintain bouncing off no ionosphere and landing in some other state. Well it
[29:44.240 --> 29:49.360]  seems to me like they should have to prove that it already is and not only
[29:49.360 --> 29:53.560]  that it is but that it's causing, that it's in commerce and that it's
[29:53.560 --> 29:58.160]  affecting others transmissions. Okay we'll be right back with Chris Emory.
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[31:26.240 --> 31:45.240]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have to have power.
[31:45.240 --> 32:02.240]  Tell them to uphold the law or please don't abuse their power.
[32:02.240 --> 32:19.240]  The beat and the beat and the cheat and the cheat and the light every hour.
[32:19.240 --> 32:46.240]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have to have power.
[32:46.240 --> 32:51.240]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have to have power.
[32:51.240 --> 32:57.240]  So Mr. Officer abuse with his power. Mr. McGran helped the officer.
[32:57.240 --> 33:02.240]  So they could understand they should uphold the law instead of abusing the power.
[33:02.240 --> 33:08.240]  You know they act like they're judging you and we. But Mr. Officer you're supposed to protect me.
[33:08.240 --> 33:14.240]  Uphold the law and do it properly. And the citizens of this country wouldn't be so angry.
[33:14.240 --> 33:21.240]  Okay, we are back.
[33:21.240 --> 33:28.240]  We've got Chris Emery on the line now to discuss the situation with the micros up here up there in Oklahoma.
[33:28.240 --> 33:33.240]  But first, we wanted to finish discussing this case law.
[33:33.240 --> 33:39.240]  This argument of the FCC that the courts apparently have accepted that in some
[33:39.240 --> 33:48.240]  fantastic Mad Max science fiction scenario maybe could possibly happen but never has.
[33:48.240 --> 33:57.240]  But possibly could in some futuristic setting of waves bouncing around the atmosphere
[33:57.240 --> 34:04.240]  and maybe going into another state and maybe being able to somehow someday over the rainbow
[34:04.240 --> 34:09.240]  affect interstate commerce and so therefore the FCC has jurisdiction.
[34:09.240 --> 34:16.240]  And the courts have just said, oh, okay. And so that's what we have to, that's what we're up against.
[34:16.240 --> 34:19.240]  It's trying to unravel bad case law like that.
[34:19.240 --> 34:25.240]  Yeah, actually the federal courts have said, oh yeah, we have federal jurisdiction.
[34:25.240 --> 34:33.240]  We can do anything we want to. I'm asking the states to say, the heck with you Bubba, get out of my house.
[34:33.240 --> 34:37.240]  This is my house. And you don't have any authority in it.
[34:37.240 --> 34:43.240]  We've had a number of states pass the 10th Amendment initiative.
[34:43.240 --> 34:47.240]  And they're telling the feds to get out of the state.
[34:47.240 --> 34:53.240]  So the time may be right to attack this overreaching of the feds.
[34:53.240 --> 34:58.240]  And this is not so much against the FCC.
[34:58.240 --> 35:08.240]  It would do them good. It would serve their mission if they allowed the states to regulate intrastate.
[35:08.240 --> 35:16.240]  And they only interfered when the intrastate transmissions passed over the border and actually caused a problem.
[35:16.240 --> 35:19.240]  Because consider Katrina.
[35:19.240 --> 35:26.240]  If every local community was able to put up their own broadcast tower,
[35:26.240 --> 35:29.240]  see in the 30s it was extremely expensive.
[35:29.240 --> 35:35.240]  But now with technology, it's relatively inexpensive to put up a transmitting tower.
[35:35.240 --> 35:43.240]  If they had had transmitting towers all over the place and a tower, if the grid goes down,
[35:43.240 --> 35:48.240]  you've got lots of guys out there, especially out in the country, everybody's got a little power plant.
[35:48.240 --> 35:54.240]  And if you've got a couple of ups units, the power goes down.
[35:54.240 --> 36:00.240]  The ups units will keep your system up until you can run outside and pull the rope on that power plant.
[36:00.240 --> 36:04.240]  And you're up and cooking when everybody else is down.
[36:04.240 --> 36:15.240]  It would serve the intent of the charter if local transmitters were allowed to transmit within the state.
[36:15.240 --> 36:21.240]  The FCC has shut down all licensing completely across the board.
[36:21.240 --> 36:30.240]  So we're going to try to demonstrate that the FCC has breached its own charter
[36:30.240 --> 36:35.240]  and yielded to the powers that be and the big money in the federal government
[36:35.240 --> 36:41.240]  and asked the states to throw the feds out of their personal business.
[36:41.240 --> 36:52.240]  Right, exactly, because they are impeding the state's ability to tax and regulate activity that solely goes on inside the state.
[36:52.240 --> 36:59.240]  Because the whole point is we shouldn't want a license from the FCC.
[36:59.240 --> 37:04.240]  We don't want that. We don't need it. The statute doesn't require it.
[37:04.240 --> 37:09.240]  They are overstepping their jurisdiction. That's just all there is to it.
[37:09.240 --> 37:20.240]  And in this case, they gave us a present because the actual individual who is creating this problem, and not to disparage him.
[37:20.240 --> 37:25.240]  You know, I'm a Vietnam veteran, and I have a shame to carry for that.
[37:25.240 --> 37:29.240]  It's because I was compartmentalized.
[37:29.240 --> 37:38.240]  I was focused in this little box and convinced that what I was doing was the right thing for the right reasons.
[37:38.240 --> 37:52.240]  And we had all sorts of people there doing incredibly horrible things from inside this little box they had been framed into.
[37:52.240 --> 37:57.240]  And we have agents for the FCC. They think they're doing the right thing.
[37:57.240 --> 38:04.240]  They think we're pirates. They think we're reactionaries. We think we're troublemakers.
[38:04.240 --> 38:06.240]  They think they're doing the right thing.
[38:06.240 --> 38:10.240]  And that's always the way it's been with humanity.
[38:10.240 --> 38:15.240]  We have all of these different interests. Everybody thinks their interest is the right one.
[38:15.240 --> 38:26.240]  But in this time, we have an overriding power that's manipulating us based on those individual interests.
[38:26.240 --> 38:32.240]  And we have this guy coming in here trying to do the right thing.
[38:32.240 --> 38:37.240]  But he didn't. He didn't follow all the rules.
[38:37.240 --> 38:40.240]  I'm not going to assume he's trying to do the right thing.
[38:40.240 --> 38:49.240]  Well, maybe he's not. But if we act from the perspective that he is, it works out well.
[38:49.240 --> 38:53.240]  Now, that doesn't mean I'm not going to kick his behind as hard as I can.
[38:53.240 --> 38:59.240]  It's not out of anger or animosity. But it's like your best mule.
[38:59.240 --> 39:03.240]  You get out there one day and your best mule just don't want to work.
[39:03.240 --> 39:07.240]  When you hit him upside the head with the tube before, you're not trying to hurt him.
[39:07.240 --> 39:10.240]  He's just trying to get his attention.
[39:10.240 --> 39:14.240]  So we're going to try to get some of these guys' attention.
[39:14.240 --> 39:22.240]  Apparently, the ones that came to shut down these micros didn't listen to the micros.
[39:22.240 --> 39:28.240]  Or they would know that before you come and start messing with us, you've got to go back and get your house in order.
[39:28.240 --> 39:30.240]  Yeah, because he doesn't have an oath of office.
[39:30.240 --> 39:38.240]  Right. We do our homework, Bubba. And this is what we do. We come for guys just like you.
[39:38.240 --> 39:45.240]  Now, all we want is everybody to follow the law. Now, we think they're not following the right law.
[39:45.240 --> 39:49.240]  We think the feds don't have any authority in the states.
[39:49.240 --> 40:01.240]  And I believe that the political climate is changing such that the states are finally realizing how dangerous the federal control is.
[40:01.240 --> 40:07.240]  And our local state officials are ready to tell the feds to go scratch.
[40:07.240 --> 40:11.240]  And this is a perfect issue.
[40:11.240 --> 40:21.240]  First Amendment. What would George Orwell think if he looked down and saw what's happening in this country?
[40:21.240 --> 40:28.240]  He would roll over in his grave. It's worse than he imagined.
[40:28.240 --> 40:32.240]  I think we have a good chance.
[40:32.240 --> 40:40.240]  As the pendulum swings off center, gravity has a way of just dragging it back.
[40:40.240 --> 40:51.240]  All you folks out there listening, when was the last time you heard someone seriously talk about those who are asleep and those who are awake?
[40:51.240 --> 41:00.240]  Everybody's awake now to one degree or another. It's not that they are awake or asleep. It's just how awake they are.
[41:00.240 --> 41:05.240]  The pendulum is beginning to swing back in our direction.
[41:05.240 --> 41:09.240]  We just have to help it out a little bit. And we're going to need your help to do it.
[41:09.240 --> 41:21.240]  Yes, we need listeners who are in the Austin area to write letters testifying that 90.1, 100.1 serves the public interest
[41:21.240 --> 41:28.240]  by bringing truthful news and information that no other station provides in this town.
[41:28.240 --> 41:35.240]  And we also need donations because the individuals who are involved in this are looking at facing a very long
[41:35.240 --> 41:44.240]  and possibly expensive legal battle even though they are going to have our help and potentially fines of $20,000.
[41:44.240 --> 41:48.240]  That's a lot of money, people. So we need your help more than ever.
[41:48.240 --> 41:52.240]  For people who live outside of Austin, please help by sending money.
[41:52.240 --> 41:59.240]  People who live inside Austin, please help by getting us these letters and also sending money.
[41:59.240 --> 42:08.240]  You can download a PDF of a sample letter from ruleoflawradio.com on the home page, fill it out, mail it into Brave New Books.
[42:08.240 --> 42:11.240]  Harlan is collecting the letters, Harlan from Brave New Books.
[42:11.240 --> 42:19.240]  Now again, Rule of Law Radio and Brave New Books are not associated with these micros, but we are offering our assistance.
[42:19.240 --> 42:28.240]  So please download these letters and send them in so that we can get going with showing that we are serving the public interest
[42:28.240 --> 42:32.240]  and we brought Chris Emery on and haven't even given him a chance to speak yet.
[42:32.240 --> 42:41.240]  I will just second to just one announcement I want to make. I have associated myself with the micros.
[42:41.240 --> 42:44.240]  Well, Randy personally has. Yeah, he's a co-plaintiff. I mentioned that earlier.
[42:44.240 --> 42:52.240]  The micros have put my information out and this is what makes me happy.
[42:52.240 --> 43:00.240]  Putting what I know out to other people makes me happy and I have a right to be happy.
[43:00.240 --> 43:06.240]  I have a right to pursue being happy. It's right there in the Constitution.
[43:06.240 --> 43:11.240]  And these guys are interfering with my right to the pursuit of happiness.
[43:11.240 --> 43:15.240]  Well, you have standing, we have standing, Eddie Craig has standing.
[43:15.240 --> 43:27.240]  In fact, every host on this network has standing to be co-plaintiff and also hosts that are on GCN have standing as well
[43:27.240 --> 43:30.240]  because they are being broadcast on the micros too.
[43:30.240 --> 43:41.240]  I'm going to suggest that anyone who feels harmed by this, who would feel harmed by the loss of the micros has standing.
[43:41.240 --> 43:51.240]  And this is a really important and important time to exercise that standing by standing up and screaming bloody murder.
[43:51.240 --> 43:57.240]  Yes, and we filed a lawsuit today for an emergency restraining order and we'll be talking about that more on the other side
[43:57.240 --> 43:59.240]  and then also we'll bring up Chris.
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[44:55.240 --> 45:08.240]  Music
[45:08.240 --> 45:14.240]  If you did not have any problems, where are you going to look for one?
[45:14.240 --> 45:20.240]  If you could not wait any longer, would your purpose have to be done?
[45:20.240 --> 45:26.240]  Would you stand there like a soldier, a warrior of love, scaffolding the key to the key?
[45:26.240 --> 45:31.240]  All they're taking is a misunderstanding, somebody calls the police.
[45:31.240 --> 45:55.240]  Watching the sparks fly.
[45:55.240 --> 46:01.240]  The friction is an addiction, the hard work can leave you cold as nails.
[46:01.240 --> 46:07.240]  The impossibility of torture and cruelty, heavy loads of tape and unscathed.
[46:07.240 --> 46:13.240]  The time is coming, Mr. Constance, you'll find out after a while.
[46:13.240 --> 46:18.240]  It's not your moral standard, keep to your patience, there's no trial.
[46:18.240 --> 46:40.240]  Watching the sparks fly.
[46:40.240 --> 47:00.240]  Music
[47:00.240 --> 47:03.240]  Okay, we are back.
[47:03.240 --> 47:14.240]  Okay, we've got news from Chris Emery in Oklahoma City and he's got news from some events that transpired in Oklahoma City yesterday
[47:14.240 --> 47:21.240]  and he just got a phone call from more FCC rampaging activity in Guthrie.
[47:21.240 --> 47:25.240]  Chris, what is going on up there?
[47:25.240 --> 47:28.240]  Well, thank you guys for having me on the show, I appreciate it.
[47:28.240 --> 47:30.240]  It was always a pleasure to be on.
[47:30.240 --> 47:36.240]  I'm here in studio in Oklahoma City, trusted sources, I'm going to remain nameless right now,
[47:36.240 --> 47:45.240]  told me that there was a micro-operating here in town, which is separate from our rule of law, our Radio Free Oklahoma show,
[47:45.240 --> 47:53.240]  but they were served with a notice, basically a written verbal warning to cease and desist the operation of that tower.
[47:53.240 --> 48:02.240]  Now I talked to the source and they were asked for their ID and they basically refused to give the FCC agency ID
[48:02.240 --> 48:11.240]  nor access to certain parts of the facility, which this individual had every right to withhold the access.
[48:11.240 --> 48:17.240]  But Randy, I think it was yours or Deb's comment earlier on the last segment,
[48:17.240 --> 48:24.240]  that this preemptive attitude is basically permeating now to where we as individual citizens can be arrested
[48:24.240 --> 48:28.240]  in anticipation of committing a crime, which is, this is ludicrous,
[48:28.240 --> 48:33.240]  this is something out of the Stalin and the Kremlin, early Kremlin area of the early 1900s.
[48:33.240 --> 48:39.240]  So that is, I mean, it's very foreboding, it's very resolute, it's very criminal,
[48:39.240 --> 48:49.240]  and we see the same attitude, the arrogance, I guess the impunity that they exercise their authority with is shocking
[48:49.240 --> 48:53.240]  and it's actually, it's illegal. I mean, there's no other way to put it.
[48:53.240 --> 48:56.240]  They don't have the right to cross into another state.
[48:56.240 --> 48:58.240]  From what I understand, these agents came from the Dallas office.
[48:58.240 --> 49:06.240]  Now there's one in Kansas City that actually takes care of certain activities going on in Idaho in the upper Midwest.
[49:06.240 --> 49:11.240]  Of course, Houston and Dallas and Texas. So these individuals came across the state line.
[49:11.240 --> 49:15.240]  They had the audacity and the arrogance to serve notice on an operation
[49:15.240 --> 49:20.240]  that did not even broadcast outside of the metro area, let alone across the Red River.
[49:20.240 --> 49:27.240]  So they are, as you say, without subject matter jurisdiction, and the authority just isn't there.
[49:27.240 --> 49:32.240]  I mean, it stops once you are not able to transmit across the state line.
[49:32.240 --> 49:36.240]  And they didn't realize that. And like you said, Randy, these guys are so compartmentalized
[49:36.240 --> 49:39.240]  and so ingrained in their procedure that it's unfortunate.
[49:39.240 --> 49:44.240]  They think they're doing the right job, but obviously just on the face they are not,
[49:44.240 --> 49:46.240]  and they're not aware that they're not.
[49:46.240 --> 49:50.240]  As, you know, using the old Donald Rumsfeld double-speak, they don't know what they don't know.
[49:50.240 --> 49:56.240]  Even if they did know, if we treat them like they don't, it doesn't matter.
[49:56.240 --> 49:59.240]  And for the most part, everybody thinks they're doing the right thing.
[49:59.240 --> 50:05.240]  And if we start demonizing individuals, it serves us no real purpose.
[50:05.240 --> 50:09.240]  Right. There's no ad hominem here. I mean, it's the law. You have to follow the law.
[50:09.240 --> 50:13.240]  In Oklahoma County, just like Travis County, it's clear, it's delineated, it's black and white.
[50:13.240 --> 50:17.240]  Whether or not it's a paperless or a paper court, it's still the same thing.
[50:17.240 --> 50:21.240]  The rule of law stands, which of course is the name of your show.
[50:21.240 --> 50:25.240]  So we have to take it upon ourselves as private citizens to say,
[50:25.240 --> 50:30.240]  look, not only are you violating our rights, you're actually violating the integrity
[50:30.240 --> 50:35.240]  and the sacrosanct procedure of your agency, and you're not even aware of it.
[50:35.240 --> 50:39.240]  So we're doing basically a favor to ourselves as well as the agent.
[50:39.240 --> 50:43.240]  Hopefully it will correct them on the procedure so they don't continue to do this.
[50:43.240 --> 50:52.240]  Now, Chris, were these the same agents that ransacked the Oklahoma City micro yesterday?
[50:52.240 --> 50:59.240]  Well, ransacking may be a little extreme, but from what I understand, yes.
[50:59.240 --> 51:04.240]  Basically, it's what they call an efficient trip, coming up from Dallas
[51:04.240 --> 51:08.240]  and having their way with certain individuals in the Oklahoma area.
[51:08.240 --> 51:11.240]  The Southern micro, I was not even aware it was even out,
[51:11.240 --> 51:17.240]  but I just got the call when we were on break from a trusted source that said that they were shut down too.
[51:17.240 --> 51:21.240]  So we know the error of their ways. We know how they work.
[51:21.240 --> 51:26.240]  And I think the fortitude and the confidence that this individual had to stand up to these agents yesterday
[51:26.240 --> 51:30.240]  and said, look, we know who you are. We know why you're here.
[51:30.240 --> 51:34.240]  There are only a certain number of rights that you have, and they're very limited at that.
[51:34.240 --> 51:38.240]  And I have my rights too, and he exercised them to the T, and they left frustrated,
[51:38.240 --> 51:41.240]  other than the fact that they're going to send a verbal warning.
[51:41.240 --> 51:47.240]  It amounted to basically they're just blowing smoke, and that was it.
[51:47.240 --> 51:51.240]  So the next trip is, guess what, guys, we'll see you in court. Have a nice day.
[51:51.240 --> 51:57.240]  Well, I'm sure that they'll get a letter. They'll get a cease and desist letter from the FCC.
[51:57.240 --> 52:01.240]  Well, that's up to these individuals. But like I said, our show is separate from that operation,
[52:01.240 --> 52:05.240]  but I was privy to a lot of the — go ahead, Randy.
[52:05.240 --> 52:10.240]  There are a lot of guys out there who, you know, we all have our own opinions.
[52:10.240 --> 52:16.240]  But in this particular instance, we're all in the same boat.
[52:16.240 --> 52:24.240]  Anyone who's been accosted by these guys, if we're careful — now, it's —
[52:24.240 --> 52:30.240]  we need to understand that we won't win this on basis of law.
[52:30.240 --> 52:36.240]  You look at the Gigliardo ruling. That is so ludicrous.
[52:36.240 --> 52:40.240]  No reasonable person could accept such nonsense.
[52:40.240 --> 52:43.240]  Well, wasn't that a circuit court ruling?
[52:43.240 --> 52:47.240]  Yeah, that's a court ruling. That's a district court ruling, not a higher court ruling.
[52:47.240 --> 52:53.240]  That's what I was saying. If it's a federal circuit court ruling, then there's still room to appeal.
[52:53.240 --> 52:58.240]  I mean, not for them unless — I mean, obviously, they would have appealed already if they were going to,
[52:58.240 --> 53:04.240]  but as far as the cases — as far as these cases, they could — it could be taken to the appellate level
[53:04.240 --> 53:07.240]  to get that decision overturned. Is that correct?
[53:07.240 --> 53:14.240]  For the most part, the broadcasters are guys like us who are reaching in our own pocket
[53:14.240 --> 53:18.240]  and doing this because we think it's right.
[53:18.240 --> 53:23.240]  So we're not big money interests. This is not a major commercial interest on our part.
[53:23.240 --> 53:28.240]  These are people who are doing what they believe is right for the right reasons.
[53:28.240 --> 53:37.240]  Now, myself and another station may be at direct odds on what's right. That's not the point.
[53:37.240 --> 53:42.240]  Everybody — if everybody does what they think is right,
[53:42.240 --> 53:50.240]  those who are wrong will gradually adjust to the reality of the world and find the right road.
[53:50.240 --> 53:53.240]  I trust human beings in that regard.
[53:53.240 --> 54:00.240]  Okay, so Randy — Okay, so Randy, if in these cases, is there room,
[54:00.240 --> 54:04.240]  like if someone like the Guthrie people or the Oklahoma City people or the Austin people,
[54:04.240 --> 54:11.240]  could they work it up through the appellate level to possibly get some of these bad case law rulings overturned?
[54:11.240 --> 54:15.240]  Yes, and I would suggest that they do what we're doing.
[54:15.240 --> 54:20.240]  Now, this is what's going to happen. We're going to hammer this agent.
[54:20.240 --> 54:25.240]  We're going to bring him into court, and the first thing he's going to do is whine to his bosses,
[54:25.240 --> 54:29.240]  and his bosses are going to run in and jerk it up to the federal courts.
[54:29.240 --> 54:38.240]  But the important part is file in the state first, because when it — if you file in the state first,
[54:38.240 --> 54:46.240]  and then the issue is removed to the federal, the state violations go with it,
[54:46.240 --> 54:51.240]  and the federal court has authority to rule on the state issues.
[54:51.240 --> 54:57.240]  What they do as a matter of course is they will remove to the federal court,
[54:57.240 --> 55:03.240]  and the federal court will come in and say, oh, well, we don't have subject matter jurisdiction.
[55:03.240 --> 55:07.240]  And we're going to say, wait a minute, Bubba, yes, you do.
[55:07.240 --> 55:11.240]  You have subject matter jurisdiction not over the federal issues,
[55:11.240 --> 55:17.240]  but since you drug it up into the federal court, you have subject matter jurisdiction over the state issues.
[55:17.240 --> 55:20.240]  Yes, it was their choice in the first place to bring it along, so you're right.
[55:20.240 --> 55:23.240]  You wanted to choose the venue, let's dance in the venue.
[55:23.240 --> 55:25.240]  Okay, and then I want to ask something else.
[55:25.240 --> 55:34.240]  If you're suing the agents personally, how does the FCC have any authority to do anything about it at all,
[55:34.240 --> 55:41.240]  whether it be a change venue to federal jurisdiction or hire an attorney for the agent or anything,
[55:41.240 --> 55:47.240]  because you're not suing the FCC, you're suing the agent personally, especially because they have no oath of office.
[55:47.240 --> 55:51.240]  Exactly the questions we need to start asking.
[55:51.240 --> 56:01.240]  If an individual acting under color, which means pretense of an official authority when he really doesn't have it,
[56:01.240 --> 56:09.240]  for instance, in a situation where the person has an oath of office, but it wasn't signed and affirmed.
[56:09.240 --> 56:11.240]  It wasn't affirmed and verified.
[56:11.240 --> 56:16.240]  It's affirmed, but there's no verification on it, so it's garbage.
[56:16.240 --> 56:21.240]  Yeah, that's where Title 18 and Title 42 is going to be a real boat anchor around their neck.
[56:21.240 --> 56:22.240]  Right.
[56:22.240 --> 56:30.240]  So we're going to maintain that since he didn't meet all the requirements to be a federal agent,
[56:30.240 --> 56:34.240]  he's not a federal agent, he's a private actor.
[56:34.240 --> 56:49.240]  And if individuals in the Federal Communications Commission issue decisions that expend taxpayer dollars to protect a criminal,
[56:49.240 --> 57:01.240]  then we want to bring them in and have them show where they have authority to expend taxpayer funds to protect a criminal.
[57:01.240 --> 57:02.240]  Let's take this step.
[57:02.240 --> 57:03.240]  This is what we do.
[57:03.240 --> 57:04.240]  We do rule of law.
[57:04.240 --> 57:06.240]  We go down to the details.
[57:06.240 --> 57:09.240]  We go to due process.
[57:09.240 --> 57:13.240]  Let's take them to the letter of the law.
[57:13.240 --> 57:19.240]  And anybody else who, you know, what's going to happen is they start hammering everybody in the different states.
[57:19.240 --> 57:25.240]  And as soon as you go after them, the feds are going to pull it up to the federal courts.
[57:25.240 --> 57:29.240]  When that happens, we all need to file for a joiner.
[57:29.240 --> 57:35.240]  Randy, if I may interject here, what's really unfortunate, and you see this play out,
[57:35.240 --> 57:44.240]  and I was familiar and actually close to the Tulsa situation back in March, and you've seen that documentation.
[57:44.240 --> 57:48.240]  When an agent actually files a notice, it's supposed to be a verbal warning in written form,
[57:48.240 --> 57:52.240]  and then they have it fill in the blank, and they have you fill in what you violated.
[57:52.240 --> 57:55.240]  It's like, okay, there is no confidence, there is no authority there.
[57:55.240 --> 57:57.240]  Why would they ask you to fill in what you violated?
[57:57.240 --> 58:00.240]  Number two, they claim that they don't need a search warrant,
[58:00.240 --> 58:06.240]  but on the flip side of that is they have to ask for your permission and the premises to look at the equipment.
[58:06.240 --> 58:09.240]  There is so much, it's flip-flopping.
[58:09.240 --> 58:12.240]  These guys literally don't know what they're supposed to do.
[58:12.240 --> 58:15.240]  There is no legal authority here. It's crazy.
[58:15.240 --> 58:18.240]  Okay, this is what I find all the time.
[58:18.240 --> 58:27.240]  These guys are trained not in law, but in what they do, and they believe that what they do is law.
[58:27.240 --> 58:31.240]  And when we put the law in front of them, they're just flabbergasted.
[58:31.240 --> 58:44.240]  And frankly, Eddie Craig has an issue where he demonstrated the actual law to a police officer, and he did the right thing.
[58:44.240 --> 58:47.240]  The guy wasn't a jackbooty thug. He's just doing what he's trained to do.
[58:47.240 --> 58:52.240]  And when someone come along and said, hey, look here, Bubba, what you're doing is not right.
[58:52.240 --> 58:55.240]  It's not in accordance with law. He changed what he did.
[58:55.240 --> 58:58.240]  That's right. That's right. And listen, we've got to go to break now.
[59:25.240 --> 59:52.240]  Yeah.
[59:52.240 --> 01:00:05.240]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:00:05.240 --> 01:00:10.240]  In Peshawar, Pakistan, Thursday, a suicide bomber killed 17 people and wounded 30.
[01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:15.240]  It was the seventh bombing to hit Peshawar in the past two weeks.
[01:00:15.240 --> 01:00:26.240]  The results are widely seen as reprisals for the Pakistani military's ongoing campaign against insurgents from al-Qaeda and the Taliban in south Waziristan.
[01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:32.240]  The Taliban has claimed responsibility for most of the bombings and has warned of further attacks.
[01:00:32.240 --> 01:00:37.240]  More than 300 people have died in attacks in the past six weeks.
[01:00:37.240 --> 01:00:48.240]  A poll by the aid group Oxfam has found most Afghans see poverty, unemployment and government corruption as the main causes of war in their country, not the Taliban.
[01:00:48.240 --> 01:00:54.240]  After three decades of war, Afghanistan remains one of the poorest and least developed countries in the world.
[01:00:54.240 --> 01:01:04.240]  Unemployment stands at 40 percent and more than half the country lives below the poverty line.
[01:01:04.240 --> 01:01:13.240]  ABC News reports the CIA built a secret prison inside an exclusive riding academy outside Vilnius, Lithuania.
[01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:28.240]  Where affluent Lithuanians once rode show horses and sipped coffee as a café, the CIA installed a concrete structure where it could use harsh tactics to interrogate up to eight suspected al-Qaeda terrorists at a time.
[01:01:28.240 --> 01:01:40.240]  Human rights researcher John Sifton said the activities in that prison included various forms of torture including sleep deprivation, forced standing and painful stress positions.
[01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:50.240]  Lithuanian officials produced documents of a CIA front company, Elite LLC, which purchased the property and built the black site in 2004.
[01:01:50.240 --> 01:02:00.240]  Lithuania agreed to allow the prison after George Bush pledged support for Lithuania's efforts to join NATO.
[01:02:00.240 --> 01:02:11.240]  Afghanistan's Minister of Mines Mohammed Ibrahim Adel allegedly took a 20 million dollar bribe to steer a copper mining project to a Chinese company.
[01:02:11.240 --> 01:02:23.240]  Two US officials familiar with the intelligence report said Adel allegedly accepted the money soon after a three billion dollar contract was awarded in 2007 to China Metallurgical Group.
[01:02:23.240 --> 01:02:31.240]  The officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the payment to Adel was apparently made in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
[01:02:31.240 --> 01:02:37.240]  The minister has denied having taken any bribes and said the contract went through legal channels.
[01:02:37.240 --> 01:02:53.240]  James Yeager, an American geologist who worked as an advisor to the Afghan Ministry of Mines, said Adel and a few hand-picked aides dominated a secretive selection process that gave MCG in probably high marks over its competitors.
[01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:12.240]  Here comes live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:03:37.240 --> 01:03:56.240]  Okay, we're back, top of the hour.
[01:03:56.240 --> 01:04:00.240]  We are going now to Deloitte in Idaho.
[01:04:00.240 --> 01:04:09.240]  He has sent word through the call screen that he has some information. Deloitte, thanks for calling in. What is it that you have to say? What information do you have?
[01:04:09.240 --> 01:04:13.240]  Hello Deborah, Randy and Eddie.
[01:04:13.240 --> 01:04:34.240]  Last week on 11-1509 on the Ralph Winter Road Show on the RBM, he talked about a test to give all federal agencies and it comes under 552A1 and...
[01:04:34.240 --> 01:04:38.240]  Wait a minute, 552A1 what?
[01:04:38.240 --> 01:04:40.240]  D.
[01:04:40.240 --> 01:04:45.240]  No, no, no. There needs to be something in front of 552A1.
[01:04:45.240 --> 01:04:50.240]  These are federal codes. This is the federal register I believe.
[01:04:50.240 --> 01:05:05.240]  Ralph Winterwood does that. We're at in the federal register. All of the federal register is codified into code and 551A1, you know I want to look that up so I can read it.
[01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:17.240]  I had Ralph on my show and I tried to get him to tell me what he's talking about. I need to be able to find this. I can pull it up on Lexus in a heartbeat, but I can't pull it up to 552A1.
[01:05:17.240 --> 01:05:19.240]  Okay, 552A1D.
[01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:21.240]  A what?
[01:05:21.240 --> 01:05:30.240]  Basically what that says is they have to publish, they have to state and publish their proposed rule and if they don't do that then...
[01:05:30.240 --> 01:05:34.240]  The FCC did that.
[01:05:34.240 --> 01:05:35.240]  What's that?
[01:05:35.240 --> 01:05:40.240]  The FCC has the rules published.
[01:05:40.240 --> 01:05:43.240]  But the rules don't comport...
[01:05:43.240 --> 01:05:46.240]  Yeah, they don't comport with law.
[01:05:46.240 --> 01:05:49.240]  And what I'm saying is...
[01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:53.240]  FCC, who the heck are you?
[01:05:53.240 --> 01:06:00.240]  The FCC claims that they have authority to enter the state and do whatever they want to.
[01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:03.240]  That's what the rules say.
[01:06:03.240 --> 01:06:11.240]  But I'm saying that if your rule violates Constitution, it's not a rule, it's crapola.
[01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:12.240]  So...
[01:06:12.240 --> 01:06:16.240]  Okay, still, 552A1, look it up.
[01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:21.240]  No disparity on Ralph Wimmer. He's a great researcher.
[01:06:21.240 --> 01:06:26.240]  I just never can find what he's talking about.
[01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:32.240]  So can you help me find 551A1C? Was that what it was?
[01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:35.240]  It's 552A1C.
[01:06:35.240 --> 01:06:38.240]  I'm sorry, 552A1C.
[01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:41.240]  Of what?
[01:06:41.240 --> 01:06:44.240]  What code? What title?
[01:06:44.240 --> 01:06:46.240]  I believe that's the Federal Register.
[01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:49.240]  Yeah, but there's no way we can find it.
[01:06:49.240 --> 01:06:52.240]  The Federal Register is not a title, it's the collection of all the titles.
[01:06:52.240 --> 01:06:57.240]  See, there's 35,000 pages of the Federal Register.
[01:06:57.240 --> 01:07:04.240]  And if this is 552, that would be way back in, like, 1820s.
[01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:12.240]  Well, here's a case site, 1979, Chrysler v. Brown.
[01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:15.240]  I'm just going off of notes that I took while I was...
[01:07:15.240 --> 01:07:18.240]  Okay, Chrysler v. Brown, that's familiar.
[01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:21.240]  Do you have an address on Chrysler v. Brown?
[01:07:21.240 --> 01:07:25.240]  I do not, I just know it's 1979, that's all I wrote down.
[01:07:25.240 --> 01:07:28.240]  This was my problem with Ralph.
[01:07:28.240 --> 01:07:35.240]  He gives me Chrysler v. Brown, but he doesn't give me the specific citation.
[01:07:35.240 --> 01:07:40.240]  You know, even if I find it, if I go to Lexus and I find Chrysler v. Brown,
[01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:43.240]  I don't know if it's the one he's talking about.
[01:07:43.240 --> 01:07:45.240]  Yeah, and not only that, not everyone has Lexus,
[01:07:45.240 --> 01:07:51.240]  so we need more specifics in order for, you know, the common person to be able to look it up.
[01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:55.240]  Well, there is more specifics. If you pull his radio show down
[01:07:55.240 --> 01:07:59.240]  and listen to the archives from 11-15-09,
[01:07:59.240 --> 01:08:01.240]  I'm sure you're going to get a lot more out of that,
[01:08:01.240 --> 01:08:05.240]  because all I'm going by here is just the short notes that I took
[01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:09.240]  while I was listening to the radio show.
[01:08:09.240 --> 01:08:10.240]  Okay.
[01:08:10.240 --> 01:08:11.240]  I'm sorry, I'm not more help than...
[01:08:11.240 --> 01:08:15.240]  No, no, no, no. You're a great help. You're a great help.
[01:08:15.240 --> 01:08:17.240]  It's just sometimes it's difficult to...
[01:08:17.240 --> 01:08:21.240]  It's just sometimes it's difficult to deal with Ralph Winterwood's information.
[01:08:21.240 --> 01:08:25.240]  Bless his heart. It's just that it's not complete.
[01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:27.240]  I mean, he'll make citations like that and he'll say,
[01:08:27.240 --> 01:08:28.240]  oh, it's in the Federal Register.
[01:08:28.240 --> 01:08:32.240]  But like Eddie says, it's 35,000 pages. Well, where?
[01:08:32.240 --> 01:08:35.240]  You know, we need to be able to look it up ourselves.
[01:08:35.240 --> 01:08:37.240]  You know, I'm not saying you didn't take good notes.
[01:08:37.240 --> 01:08:39.240]  I mean, you're doing a great job.
[01:08:39.240 --> 01:08:42.240]  Let me explain. I'm looking at Lexus right now.
[01:08:42.240 --> 01:08:50.240]  It's 1004 and 1005. I have pages 1004 and 1005 written down on my notes.
[01:08:50.240 --> 01:08:52.240]  Maybe that's where it's at.
[01:08:52.240 --> 01:08:53.240]  That helps.
[01:08:53.240 --> 01:08:57.240]  Okay, okay. Let me explain. I'm sitting here looking at Lexus.
[01:08:57.240 --> 01:09:06.240]  Now, I can look up a document if I have the address, the volume number,
[01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:14.240]  the reporter, U.S., FedSecond, FedSupplement, Southwest2D, whatever,
[01:09:14.240 --> 01:09:16.240]  and the page number.
[01:09:16.240 --> 01:09:19.240]  I can go right to that document.
[01:09:19.240 --> 01:09:22.240]  But if I don't have that address,
[01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:26.240]  now I got to look it up by the name, Chrysler v. Brown.
[01:09:26.240 --> 01:09:32.240]  So I wonder how many people named Brown that Chrysler has sued.
[01:09:32.240 --> 01:09:33.240]  Yeah.
[01:09:33.240 --> 01:09:39.240]  And then my other problem is I'm looking at the different laws here.
[01:09:39.240 --> 01:09:41.240]  Now, in order to do the search,
[01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:46.240]  I have to look under federal and state cases, federal cases, state cases,
[01:09:46.240 --> 01:09:50.240]  all federal state pleadings, all federal pleadings,
[01:09:50.240 --> 01:09:53.240]  or I go down here and I go to all the states.
[01:09:53.240 --> 01:09:56.240]  Well, is this a state case?
[01:09:56.240 --> 01:09:59.240]  And then I have to go in and pick which state it's in.
[01:09:59.240 --> 01:10:03.240]  And then I need to know something about what the state,
[01:10:03.240 --> 01:10:08.240]  what the case was about when it was filed so I can put in keywords
[01:10:08.240 --> 01:10:11.240]  and then put in Chrysler v. Brown.
[01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:13.240]  And that might give me the right answer.
[01:10:13.240 --> 01:10:14.240]  Okay.
[01:10:14.240 --> 01:10:15.240]  I've got another one.
[01:10:15.240 --> 01:10:16.240]  Pardon me?
[01:10:16.240 --> 01:10:17.240]  Ninth Circuit.
[01:10:17.240 --> 01:10:18.240]  Ninth Circuit.
[01:10:18.240 --> 01:10:19.240]  Wait a minute.
[01:10:19.240 --> 01:10:20.240]  I'm losing you.
[01:10:20.240 --> 01:10:21.240]  2005.
[01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:23.240]  Okay, 2005 helps.
[01:10:23.240 --> 01:10:26.240]  He said Ninth Circuit, Randy, Ninth Circuit.
[01:10:26.240 --> 01:10:29.240]  Okay, I'm giving you another one here.
[01:10:29.240 --> 01:10:30.240]  I'm giving you another one.
[01:10:30.240 --> 01:10:33.240]  We're off Chrysler v. Brown.
[01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:35.240]  This is Ninth Circuit 2005.
[01:10:35.240 --> 01:10:37.240]  I'm sorry, boss.
[01:10:37.240 --> 01:10:49.240]  Paulson v. Daniels, 413F3D999.
[01:10:49.240 --> 01:10:52.240]  Now, that I can work with.
[01:10:52.240 --> 01:10:53.240]  I could get that one.
[01:10:53.240 --> 01:11:01.240]  Okay, okay, pages 1004 and 1005.
[01:11:01.240 --> 01:11:02.240]  Perfect.
[01:11:02.240 --> 01:11:17.240]  And then under that I've got 553D as in voice, 553C, and 553D as in delta.
[01:11:17.240 --> 01:11:23.240]  I don't know what that refers to, but it might tell me inside the case.
[01:11:23.240 --> 01:11:31.240]  Well, yeah, what he's going for here is that in the Federal Register they have not done things the way they're supposed to,
[01:11:31.240 --> 01:11:34.240]  so therefore they don't have jurisdiction.
[01:11:34.240 --> 01:11:42.240]  And without jurisdiction, this just goes to show that they don't have subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:46.240]  They don't have the authority to go in in the first place and do anything.
[01:11:46.240 --> 01:11:47.240]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:47.240 --> 01:11:48.240]  Okay, they.
[01:11:48.240 --> 01:11:49.240]  They.
[01:11:49.240 --> 01:11:50.240]  Who is they?
[01:11:50.240 --> 01:11:52.240]  What law he broke.
[01:11:52.240 --> 01:12:02.240]  Okay, I'm looking at Charles Daniels Warden of FCI Sheridan Respondent and Jeffrey Poland's petition.
[01:12:02.240 --> 01:12:04.240]  Charles Daniels Warden.
[01:12:04.240 --> 01:12:13.240]  This looks like they're suing a bunch of Wardens versus Responda appellant.
[01:12:13.240 --> 01:12:16.240]  Let's see.
[01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:19.240]  This is a confusing case.
[01:12:19.240 --> 01:12:22.240]  What was the issue?
[01:12:22.240 --> 01:12:24.240]  I don't know.
[01:12:24.240 --> 01:12:27.240]  I'm looking at the head notes here.
[01:12:27.240 --> 01:12:35.240]  Requires the Bureau of Prisons to make available appropriate substance abuse treatment for each prisoner the Bureau determines.
[01:12:35.240 --> 01:12:38.240]  Has treatable condition.
[01:12:38.240 --> 01:12:52.240]  In an Acting Administrative Procedures Act, Congress made a judgment that notions of fairness informed administration decision making require that agency decisions be made only after affording interest.
[01:12:52.240 --> 01:12:59.240]  This is the problem with citations, and I get lots of references to law.
[01:12:59.240 --> 01:13:04.240]  And when I go look them up, I get really annoyed.
[01:13:04.240 --> 01:13:13.240]  Like, my guy from California sent me a reference to an 1813 case.
[01:13:13.240 --> 01:13:23.240]  And they sent me the quotation and when I read the quotation out of the case, the use of language told me they made it up.
[01:13:23.240 --> 01:13:26.240]  Because they used modern language.
[01:13:26.240 --> 01:13:35.240]  When I went back and drew up the case, what they quoted had nothing to do with the case they cited.
[01:13:35.240 --> 01:13:41.240]  That's why I get real particular about the sites that people give me.
[01:13:41.240 --> 01:13:54.240]  And then a lot of times I get a citation that when I pull up the case, they give me something that's in the case, but they give it to me out of context.
[01:13:54.240 --> 01:14:01.240]  And the concern I get is I get this so often that it's really, really frustrating.
[01:14:01.240 --> 01:14:07.240]  I'm beginning to wonder, somehow I don't think this can be by mistake.
[01:14:07.240 --> 01:14:18.240]  That all the time I'm getting references to cases and I go get the case and what they're saying is not there or it's not anything like they're talking about.
[01:14:18.240 --> 01:14:26.240]  Or the case says the opposing party stated this nonsense, but this is all nonsense.
[01:14:26.240 --> 01:14:32.240]  And the guy quotes the nonsense as if it's part of the case.
[01:14:32.240 --> 01:14:34.240]  I hope I'm making sense.
[01:14:34.240 --> 01:14:37.240]  I'm not trying to, absolutely not trying to give you a hard time.
[01:14:37.240 --> 01:14:49.240]  But before I present any case law or any position, I really need to know exactly where I can find it.
[01:14:49.240 --> 01:14:59.240]  And anybody who gives you a citation that's not clear and precise, always worry about it.
[01:14:59.240 --> 01:15:04.240]  That's not to pick on Ralph Winnerud because Ralph Winnerud is a very good researcher.
[01:15:04.240 --> 01:15:08.240]  Oh, absolutely. And that's why I rely on his things.
[01:15:08.240 --> 01:15:11.240]  The fact is I can't understand it either.
[01:15:11.240 --> 01:15:15.240]  I just copied it down for use in the future.
[01:15:15.240 --> 01:15:24.240]  And when I heard you guys tonight, I thought you guys need to hear this because this will shoot them right out of the water in the very beginning.
[01:15:24.240 --> 01:15:37.240]  Okay. In that case, I'm going to shut up and you tell us what we really needed to hear because I may have short-circuited you too early.
[01:15:37.240 --> 01:15:40.240]  And if I did, I apologize for that.
[01:15:40.240 --> 01:15:48.240]  Well, what they do or what we want to do is right when we go in there, we want to challenge their jurisdiction.
[01:15:48.240 --> 01:15:54.240]  We want to challenge their authority to even show up on the property.
[01:15:54.240 --> 01:16:05.240]  All federal agencies have to follow certain rules and regulations in order for their work to be legitimate and authorized.
[01:16:05.240 --> 01:16:14.240]  And when they make up these rules, they don't publish it in the federal register and they don't give notice,
[01:16:14.240 --> 01:16:18.240]  which is 553B and then 553C.
[01:16:18.240 --> 01:16:24.240]  They've got to give time for comments and then address those comments in 30 days.
[01:16:24.240 --> 01:16:27.240]  Okay. Now I'm kind of understanding.
[01:16:27.240 --> 01:16:38.240]  This is statutes that require that all rules be published, how they're published, when they're published, and the details surrounding how they're published.
[01:16:38.240 --> 01:16:41.240]  And you're saying if this hasn't been done, even if they have...
[01:16:41.240 --> 01:16:42.240]  Okay. Listen, hold on, hold on.
[01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:43.240]  We're going to break.
[01:16:43.240 --> 01:16:45.240]  I don't know if Randy may not be able to hear the bumper music.
[01:16:45.240 --> 01:16:46.240]  I heard the bumper music.
[01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:49.240]  Okay. Well, listen, Chris Emory has to go.
[01:16:49.240 --> 01:16:56.240]  And so I want to be able to say goodbye to him and any closing comments that he may have when we get back on the other side.
[01:16:56.240 --> 01:17:00.240]  So let's hold that thought and we'll be right back.
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[01:18:27.240 --> 01:18:40.240]  Okay, listen.
[01:18:40.240 --> 01:18:45.240]  Our guest, our special guest, Chris Emery, has to leave now.
[01:18:45.240 --> 01:18:46.240]  He's got to get going.
[01:18:46.240 --> 01:18:53.240]  And so, Deloitte, just hang tight because we've got to finish up with Chris because he has to go.
[01:18:53.240 --> 01:19:05.240]  Okay, so Chris, basically, we wanted to just apply to the situation up in Oklahoma, what we're doing here in Austin.
[01:19:05.240 --> 01:19:11.240]  So, Randy, can you just give a recap for him and then have Chris give some closing comments?
[01:19:11.240 --> 01:19:22.240]  Well, yeah, I really wanted to hear what Chris' position on kind of what's going on up there and what he thinks.
[01:19:22.240 --> 01:19:29.240]  In a nutshell, guys, like I said, I saw what Tulsa had gone through back in March, and there were two letters served.
[01:19:29.240 --> 01:19:37.240]  And then to see what happened yesterday by this individual and sat down and actually had coffee with them today, it's clearly –
[01:19:37.240 --> 01:19:45.240]  I mean, it just is blatantly obvious that the FCC is playing fast and loose with their rights, the information they have at hand, and their authority.
[01:19:45.240 --> 01:19:52.240]  And it's – like I said, it's unfortunate. And to go after them, these individuals civilly, I think, would actually make them sit up straight,
[01:19:52.240 --> 01:19:59.240]  pay attention, and realize, no, no, no, they're violating the law, but their employers are violating the law and the rights of the private citizens.
[01:19:59.240 --> 01:20:07.240]  Regardless of what the Oklahoma or the Texas Broadcasters Association has on the records, these guys need to be put in on notice.
[01:20:07.240 --> 01:20:10.240]  And if it takes the matter of suing them in court, then so be it.
[01:20:10.240 --> 01:20:19.240]  And to start on the state level is, I think, more pertinent because the – I know that the Oklahoma State House and the State Senate have passed a 10th Amendment resolution.
[01:20:19.240 --> 01:20:27.240]  There is not a binding by law, but it's the resolutions that are affirmed by both houses and actually overrode the veto of the governor on that respect.
[01:20:27.240 --> 01:20:36.240]  So what we have to do is say, okay, we can't have somebody coming in our front door and pretty much just going willy-nilly and having free will at what they want.
[01:20:36.240 --> 01:20:43.240]  The principle in and of itself is what we need to stand on. And then we also have the law, whether it be in Oklahoma County or Lincoln County,
[01:20:43.240 --> 01:20:51.240]  as applied to Guthrie, which is just north of our city, about 30 miles, or in Travis County, where Austin is, any county in the United States.
[01:20:51.240 --> 01:20:58.240]  This is a time to stand up and exercise our rights in a forthright, a very lawful, and a very professional and respectful manner.
[01:20:58.240 --> 01:21:04.240]  And that's all I have to say. I'm pumped up. I know it's going to be done, and it will be done well.
[01:21:04.240 --> 01:21:08.240]  Yeah, and we need to get our state legislators involved in this, too.
[01:21:08.240 --> 01:21:12.240]  And there's nothing like a good fight to get things sorted out.
[01:21:12.240 --> 01:21:16.240]  Thank you guys for having me on your show. I'm going to go ahead and sign off. You have a good evening. Keep up the good work.
[01:21:16.240 --> 01:21:18.240]  All right. Thank you, Chris. Thanks for joining us.
[01:21:18.240 --> 01:21:19.240]  You're welcome.
[01:21:19.240 --> 01:21:32.240]  Okay. And back to this issue of 552. I owe you a serious, major, big-time apology.
[01:21:32.240 --> 01:21:39.240]  I can't believe you said 552, and I'm sitting here, brain dead.
[01:21:39.240 --> 01:21:48.240]  I know exactly what 552 is. Boy, Freedom of Information Act.
[01:21:48.240 --> 01:21:56.240]  And that smart, allocated Craig found it. Five USC, 552. I hate it when he does that.
[01:21:56.240 --> 01:21:57.240]  Well, yeah, but the thing is...
[01:21:57.240 --> 01:21:58.240]  Yeah, I should have known that.
[01:21:58.240 --> 01:22:03.240]  It would be nice to have the five USC in front of that 552.
[01:22:03.240 --> 01:22:06.240]  Yeah, that would have been nice, but I should have gone. I should have gone.
[01:22:06.240 --> 01:22:12.240]  Yeah, but not everybody knows that, Randy. Not everybody would snap to that. I mean...
[01:22:12.240 --> 01:22:25.240]  Yeah, I should have got it, because in Texas, it's interesting that the Open Records Act in Texas happens to be 552 government code.
[01:22:25.240 --> 01:22:29.240]  Yeah, but the point still is when people give cites, they need to give a complete cite.
[01:22:29.240 --> 01:22:32.240]  Five USC, 552. I apologize for not catching that.
[01:22:32.240 --> 01:22:38.240]  Right, but the point is when people give citations, we need to get the whole citation at any rate.
[01:22:38.240 --> 01:22:43.240]  I mean, not just for our sake, but for everyone else's, too.
[01:22:43.240 --> 01:22:46.240]  Deloitte, are you still there?
[01:22:46.240 --> 01:22:47.240]  Yeah, yeah, I'm here.
[01:22:47.240 --> 01:22:52.240]  Okay, good. And I apologize for that. I should have caught that.
[01:22:52.240 --> 01:22:59.240]  There's a common thing with guys who are really good researchers.
[01:22:59.240 --> 01:23:07.240]  And all of those of us who are listening to people who are good researchers, we need to cut researchers slack.
[01:23:07.240 --> 01:23:15.240]  I've done a tremendous amount myself, and when I do research, I'm in a room all by myself.
[01:23:15.240 --> 01:23:22.240]  Everything that's going on is going on in my head, and I don't have input.
[01:23:22.240 --> 01:23:30.240]  And if you spend too much time doing that, you forget how to communicate what's in your mind to someone else's mind,
[01:23:30.240 --> 01:23:36.240]  especially the more sophisticated researchers like Ralph Winroot.
[01:23:36.240 --> 01:23:45.240]  You get so deep in what you're doing, the really basic details that the guy who doesn't know anything about it needs
[01:23:45.240 --> 01:23:50.240]  to bring him from where he's at to where you are, you forget about those.
[01:23:50.240 --> 01:23:56.240]  So you tend to shortcut and leave those out, and people really get lost.
[01:23:56.240 --> 01:24:01.240]  Well, yeah, because there are Section 552s in hundreds of codes.
[01:24:01.240 --> 01:24:05.240]  I mean, how do we know that he's talking about 5 USC? I mean, that's pretty basic.
[01:24:05.240 --> 01:24:10.240]  Yeah, but when you're working with that all the time, 552 is just, of course, of course.
[01:24:10.240 --> 01:24:14.240]  But you forget that everybody else out there doesn't know that, and that was really what I was going to.
[01:24:14.240 --> 01:24:19.240]  And it certainly wasn't intended as a disparagement.
[01:24:19.240 --> 01:24:23.240]  It's just we have to get real careful, especially when we're on the radio,
[01:24:23.240 --> 01:24:28.240]  because we have a wide cross-section of people we're talking to.
[01:24:28.240 --> 01:24:36.240]  And frankly, it's kind of difficult, because I found myself underestimating my audience.
[01:24:36.240 --> 01:24:41.240]  And I had a friend who had listened to me since before I was on the radio,
[01:24:41.240 --> 01:24:50.240]  and the one show I did where I didn't care if I lost everybody, I just walked through everything as an archive.
[01:24:50.240 --> 01:24:54.240]  This guy called me and said, you know, that's the first time I really got it.
[01:24:54.240 --> 01:24:58.240]  It embarrassed me because I had underestimated my listener.
[01:24:58.240 --> 01:25:00.240]  So it's hard to find this balance.
[01:25:00.240 --> 01:25:02.240]  So Deloitte, do you have anything else?
[01:25:02.240 --> 01:25:06.240]  Because we have like 12 callers on the board, and we only have a half an hour left of the show.
[01:25:06.240 --> 01:25:09.240]  No, that's all I had to say.
[01:25:09.240 --> 01:25:12.240]  You guys have a great night, and I'll be listening to you on the radio.
[01:25:12.240 --> 01:25:14.240]  Okay, great. Thank you, Deloitte.
[01:25:14.240 --> 01:25:18.240]  Okay, and I have some back to the case here in Austin,
[01:25:18.240 --> 01:25:27.240]  a lawsuit that was filed today against these rogue FCC agents or this one particular rogue FCC agent.
[01:25:27.240 --> 01:25:31.240]  And we were talking about co-plaintiffs, bringing on co-plaintiffs,
[01:25:31.240 --> 01:25:37.240]  people who are affected, namely other hosts on this network and GCN,
[01:25:37.240 --> 01:25:45.240]  hosts on GCN who are also broadcast on the micros here, 9.1 and 100.1, et cetera, in Austin,
[01:25:45.240 --> 01:25:48.240]  and I believe in Oklahoma as well.
[01:25:48.240 --> 01:25:51.240]  It looks like they're going to be following suit, no pun intended.
[01:25:51.240 --> 01:25:53.240]  I have a question here.
[01:25:53.240 --> 01:25:59.240]  Is there an advantage to bringing on listeners as co-plaintiffs?
[01:25:59.240 --> 01:26:05.240]  Would the listeners have standing to be co-plaintiffs?
[01:26:05.240 --> 01:26:06.240]  Hello?
[01:26:06.240 --> 01:26:09.240]  Not specifically.
[01:26:09.240 --> 01:26:12.240]  But they are very valuable.
[01:26:12.240 --> 01:26:16.240]  But they are directly affected by it because then they're not going to be able to get the information they need.
[01:26:16.240 --> 01:26:24.240]  Well, yeah, the problem is showing a constitutional or statutory deprivation.
[01:26:24.240 --> 01:26:26.240]  But it's a deprivation.
[01:26:26.240 --> 01:26:30.240]  They can't hear, they can't listen to the information anymore on the radio.
[01:26:30.240 --> 01:26:32.240]  I call that a deprivation.
[01:26:32.240 --> 01:26:35.240]  That would be an interesting argument to make.
[01:26:35.240 --> 01:26:45.240]  And the problem with getting too many litigants in a case is that everybody has their own agenda.
[01:26:45.240 --> 01:26:50.240]  Everybody has things that are very important to them.
[01:26:50.240 --> 01:26:54.240]  We got guys here who are really wild about militias.
[01:26:54.240 --> 01:26:59.240]  And we got guys here who are really wild about Jesus Christ.
[01:26:59.240 --> 01:27:05.240]  And then we got guys who are really wild about Allah and, you know, not to disparage any of them,
[01:27:05.240 --> 01:27:09.240]  but everybody has their own little niche.
[01:27:09.240 --> 01:27:21.240]  And when you do a large, what's the term, where you get a lot of people in, I hate it when I lose terms,
[01:27:21.240 --> 01:27:29.240]  a large litigation with a lot of litigants, that what the other side is going to do first
[01:27:29.240 --> 01:27:36.240]  is look at each of the litigants and say, okay, how can we set one of the parties against the others?
[01:27:36.240 --> 01:27:39.240]  And that becomes a concern.
[01:27:39.240 --> 01:27:44.240]  But I don't understand setting a party against each other.
[01:27:44.240 --> 01:27:45.240]  How so?
[01:27:45.240 --> 01:27:48.240]  That's how you undermine a case quicker than any other thing.
[01:27:48.240 --> 01:27:51.240]  To get the other side to fight amongst themselves.
[01:27:51.240 --> 01:27:52.240]  Exactly.
[01:27:52.240 --> 01:27:59.240]  But if the whole issue is that everyone wants the radio on the air
[01:27:59.240 --> 01:28:04.240]  and each of these litigants have their own reason, well, so what?
[01:28:04.240 --> 01:28:09.240]  Some people may want to hear Frederick Graves preach the Gospel.
[01:28:09.240 --> 01:28:12.240]  Some people may want to hear us talk about law.
[01:28:12.240 --> 01:28:18.240]  But if the bottom line is everyone wants to hear the radio, then who cares?
[01:28:18.240 --> 01:28:26.240]  The problem with too many people as litigants is that if one of them is Muslim and one of them is Christian,
[01:28:26.240 --> 01:28:30.240]  we get them fighting with each other within the case.
[01:28:30.240 --> 01:28:41.240]  Listeners, I've been trying to think how could I frame a case for a listener having standing.
[01:28:41.240 --> 01:28:47.240]  Now, I framed for myself having standing, and frankly, that was a bit dubious.
[01:28:47.240 --> 01:28:49.240]  You know, I'm kind of stretching out there.
[01:28:49.240 --> 01:28:52.240]  They've got a right to pursue happiness.
[01:28:52.240 --> 01:28:55.240]  That's the one constitutional right that's never been defined.
[01:28:55.240 --> 01:28:58.240]  Well, I thought it's a little bit stronger than that, Randy,
[01:28:58.240 --> 01:29:04.240]  because your show is going to be taken off the air, which means you are directly affected.
[01:29:04.240 --> 01:29:06.240]  That has nothing to do with pursuit of happiness.
[01:29:06.240 --> 01:29:16.240]  The problem is the courts have ruled that I don't have a constitutional First Amendment right to be on broadcast radio.
[01:29:16.240 --> 01:29:18.240]  Wait a minute. This has nothing to do with rights.
[01:29:18.240 --> 01:29:21.240]  This has to do with damage, a harm.
[01:29:21.240 --> 01:29:26.240]  Your means of living, it's not a constitutional right.
[01:29:26.240 --> 01:29:28.240]  This has to do with damage and tort.
[01:29:28.240 --> 01:29:30.240]  You are being harmed.
[01:29:30.240 --> 01:29:35.240]  Your means of living is being impeded by being taken off the air.
[01:29:35.240 --> 01:29:38.240]  That doesn't have anything to do with constitutional rights.
[01:29:38.240 --> 01:29:40.240]  It's hard to structure that in court, though.
[01:29:40.240 --> 01:29:43.240]  The other side have beat me up real bad with that.
[01:29:43.240 --> 01:29:44.240]  Okay, well.
[01:29:44.240 --> 01:29:45.240]  Okay, we have a lot of callers.
[01:29:45.240 --> 01:29:47.240]  Let's go on to callers.
[01:29:47.240 --> 01:29:48.240]  I don't know.
[01:29:48.240 --> 01:29:52.240]  I mean, you show that, you know, you're being harmed.
[01:29:52.240 --> 01:29:54.240]  Your means of living is being harmed.
[01:29:54.240 --> 01:30:06.240]  You know, I think that that's a pretty cut and dry issue right there.
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[01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:20.840]  Yeah, and who you want to chip, will you take me for free toll-free, I want to chip, I'm
[01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:27.840]  not free toll-free, you can't chip me, I'm a fag, don't let them chip you in the morning,
[01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:34.840]  chip you in the evening, chip you all the dinnertime, experiment on mankind, but man,
[01:31:34.840 --> 01:32:01.400]  you know, say them right, well, when you want to chip, man, you have your body, freedom
[01:32:01.400 --> 01:32:07.520]  or something, man, you fight for me, you should tell them, then we ready, constitution set
[01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:12.600]  us free, man, let them put no chip in your body, put no chip in your dog or cat, you
[01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:17.400]  see, no put no chip in your cow and go eat it, no put no chip in the fish and go eat
[01:32:17.400 --> 01:32:22.400]  it, all in the wheel and the shark in the sea, put the little chip in the little baby,
[01:32:22.400 --> 01:32:27.400]  want to put the chip in a grandpa, you see, want to put the little chip in a Iman body,
[01:32:27.400 --> 01:32:32.400]  eat me, go hide in the Atlantic sea, find it after light, me say, go find me, satellite
[01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:37.400]  get mad, satellite get angry, two chip them use, me say, cross up, you see, me say, chip
[01:32:37.400 --> 01:32:40.400]  in the morning, chip in the evening, chip in the evening.
[01:32:40.400 --> 01:32:41.400]  Okay, we are back.
[01:32:41.400 --> 01:32:43.400]  We've got a bunch of callers on the air.
[01:32:43.400 --> 01:32:51.400]  So, we wanted to finish up with a situation of co-plaintiffs and who really would have
[01:32:51.400 --> 01:32:56.080]  a good standing, solid standing, and who wouldn't.
[01:32:56.080 --> 01:33:01.920]  And we kind of discussed this on the break, and we definitely need the help from the listeners,
[01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:09.200]  but it looks kind of like the listeners wouldn't really have a solid ground to have standing
[01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:17.160]  just because they couldn't listen anymore, but that hosts would have solid standing because
[01:33:17.160 --> 01:33:23.800]  their means of living and their vocation is directly affected whether or not they're on
[01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:24.800]  the air.
[01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.880]  Is that pretty much what we decided, Randy?
[01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:35.600]  Yeah, I'm trying to find a diplomatic way of saying that, you know, if we get a whole
[01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:41.480]  bunch of listeners who want to join in the case, it's going to get incredibly complex,
[01:33:41.480 --> 01:33:51.240]  but we really need your help in writing letters and not, you know, a lot of vitriol and you
[01:33:51.240 --> 01:33:59.640]  guys are a lot of filthy, dirty scum, but really intelligent letters posting the argument
[01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:08.640]  that it would be to the advantage of everyone if the FCC was sent packing and let the state
[01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:10.720]  take care of its own business.
[01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:14.440]  I can't tell you how valuable letters are.
[01:34:14.440 --> 01:34:22.920]  Well, yeah, especially in this situation, we have to show that the stations are serving
[01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:25.920]  the public interest.
[01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:30.320]  Those are the key words, serving the public interest.
[01:34:30.320 --> 01:34:36.760]  Those four words are key because that's all over the FCC code, all right, and even licensed
[01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:44.520]  radio stations are required to keep files of letters from listeners, their public interest
[01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:48.720]  and they're required to even run a certain number of hours of programming, a week of
[01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:54.760]  PSAs that's specifically dedicated to quote unquote serving the public interest and what
[01:34:54.760 --> 01:35:00.080]  most radio stations do is they put on a bunch of crap filth programming all the time just
[01:35:00.080 --> 01:35:05.080]  to make themselves money and then they'll have like an hour on Sunday morning from 6
[01:35:05.080 --> 01:35:10.160]  to 7 a.m. or something when no one's awake and listening and that's their, when they
[01:35:10.160 --> 01:35:16.200]  run PSAs and that's their quote unquote public interest hour and so what we need more than
[01:35:16.200 --> 01:35:22.760]  anything from the listeners is these letters, okay, that are basically directed towards
[01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:29.760]  the FCC testifying that we serve the public interest pretty much all the time and more
[01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:35.600]  than any other station around and, you know, all these kinds of things and I have a sample
[01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:40.520]  letter, a PDF document that's a sample letter, a public interest sample letter with also
[01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:45.120]  lines at the bottom for people to make their own comments so that you guys can get the
[01:35:45.120 --> 01:35:51.680]  drift of basically this is the listener's role of how they could help us more than anything
[01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:57.240]  is to get us these letters testifying that we serve the public interest but yeah, class
[01:35:57.240 --> 01:36:01.720]  action lawsuits when you start getting hundreds of litigants and all this sort of thing it
[01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:06.760]  just gets completely unmanageable even if the other side doesn't throw a monkey wrench
[01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:12.080]  in the works to try to get us fighting amongst themselves we have to go back to who has the
[01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:16.920]  real standing and you have to show a tort, you have to show injury, you have to show
[01:36:16.920 --> 01:36:25.520]  harm and so the hosts who are being broadcast and I would say the sponsors too would have
[01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:30.200]  a direct showing of standing because they're being harmed, their business, their vocation
[01:36:30.200 --> 01:36:35.720]  is being harmed so I think that that's pretty clear so not to denigrate the listeners,
[01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:43.560]  we absolutely need your help but being co-litigants is probably not the way, okay so with that
[01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:48.440]  being said we also need donations too for people who are not in the Austin area, you
[01:36:48.440 --> 01:36:55.500]  know, letters will not help because you're not here within the reach of the radio transmission
[01:36:55.500 --> 01:36:59.320]  so, okay with that being said we have a whole bunch of callers, Randy unless you have something
[01:36:59.320 --> 01:37:00.320]  else.
[01:37:00.320 --> 01:37:05.240]  Let's go to Bobby, we've got a stack of callers.
[01:37:05.240 --> 01:37:09.080]  We have a stack of callers, okay we're going to go to and callers we're going to have to
[01:37:09.080 --> 01:37:14.400]  move quickly because we only have about 20 minutes left and we've got like 7, 8 callers
[01:37:14.400 --> 01:37:15.400]  here.
[01:37:15.400 --> 01:37:18.400]  Bobby, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind?
[01:37:18.400 --> 01:37:20.920]  Yeah, can you hear me good?
[01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:22.920]  Not really, are you on a speaker phone?
[01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:25.320]  No, I guess it's just my phone.
[01:37:25.320 --> 01:37:27.040]  Okay yeah, try to speak up please.
[01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:29.680]  Yeah, I'll speak up.
[01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:35.880]  Actually I'm calling in for a friend of mine named Grover, he doesn't think real fast so
[01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:44.000]  but he got a demand for payment on a traffic no insurance from Linebarger, Gogan, Blair
[01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:50.080]  and Simpson and I'm just wondering how you guys would handle something like that to say
[01:37:50.080 --> 01:37:55.480]  they've been hired by the Arlington Municipal Court to collect this money and of course
[01:37:55.480 --> 01:38:00.720]  they've already put a warrant out for him or at least it's on the computer.
[01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:06.160]  Okay hold on just a second, first off I'd almost guarantee you there is no warrant issued.
[01:38:06.160 --> 01:38:12.040]  These letters are sent out by the attorney's offices as a sideline for them to try to get
[01:38:12.040 --> 01:38:16.640]  you to pay the ticket even though the case has not yet been adjudicated.
[01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:18.600]  It hasn't, right.
[01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:23.640]  But they have not issued a warrant for him, I can almost guarantee you they haven't.
[01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:28.280]  What these attorneys do is they send you these letters stating that there is a warrant out
[01:38:28.280 --> 01:38:32.280]  there and that you are subject to arrest if you don't pay them.
[01:38:32.280 --> 01:38:35.560]  It's a lie and it's extortion 90% of the time.
[01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:37.520]  That should get a bar grievance.
[01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:43.880]  Oh good, but there's no, this isn't signed so how do you get a bar grievance against
[01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:45.680]  something that's not signed, just a law file?
[01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:48.720]  File it against each name on the letter.
[01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:52.320]  We don't care, that's their problem.
[01:38:52.320 --> 01:38:56.680]  Go to their general office website, get a list of the attorneys in the office and file
[01:38:56.680 --> 01:39:01.400]  a bar grievance against each one for sending out fraudulent mailings.
[01:39:01.400 --> 01:39:06.280]  Can you call in when we're on a different, on that subject, we've got a bunch of callers
[01:39:06.280 --> 01:39:07.840]  and we're hoping to get some that are on top.
[01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:11.920]  Yes why don't you call in tomorrow night, we'll have more time to get into this because
[01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:17.280]  we only have 20 more minutes left and we need to, we kind of want to stick to the topic
[01:39:17.280 --> 01:39:20.480]  of the radio and the FCC and all these problems.
[01:39:20.480 --> 01:39:21.480]  Okay, good deal.
[01:39:21.480 --> 01:39:22.480]  Okay, thanks Bobbie.
[01:39:22.480 --> 01:39:29.720]  Okay, we're going to go now to Steven in Minnesota, Steven thanks for calling in, what's your
[01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:30.720]  comment or question?
[01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:43.720]  Yes, hi y'all, it seems to me that when the IRS Title 266065 requiring a signature under
[01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:52.240]  penalties of perjury to accompany all documents produced for distribution would be as a sovereign
[01:39:52.240 --> 01:40:00.720]  or not, you know, a corporation, the all caps state fiction in corporal all caps would be
[01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:01.720]  absolutely...
[01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:09.600]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, stop, what are you talking about?
[01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:15.320]  We need something called referential index, where are you starting at?
[01:40:15.320 --> 01:40:24.200]  And just because they want to tear down the tower, a machine that would be absent of a
[01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:31.560]  lawful treaty of annexation with lawful documentations and claims or charges that the company affidavits
[01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:33.800]  made and signed under such penalties of...
[01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:34.800]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:35.800] ...that's required by law.
[01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:36.800]  I don't understand.
[01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:40.240]  Wait a minute, is this about the radio or is this about an IRS issue?
[01:40:40.240 --> 01:40:44.720]  No, it's just something I've been reading that I've been working on myself that's towards
[01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:45.720]  the IRS issue.
[01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:49.400]  Okay, well, you've got to kind of give us a lead in to give us an idea of where you're
[01:40:49.400 --> 01:40:50.400]  at.
[01:40:50.400 --> 01:40:51.400]  I have no idea what you're talking about.
[01:40:51.400 --> 01:40:56.720]  The only documentation of fact on that, the all caps state of Texas Supreme Court properly
[01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:57.720]  ruled...
[01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:02.680]  All caps state really doesn't mean a whole lot, but you have to back up to the...you're
[01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:05.120]  assuming...you're starting in the middle of a subject.
[01:41:05.120 --> 01:41:08.880]  Okay, yeah, and wait a minute, wait a minute, okay, I have to say something here.
[01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:13.440]  The next segment is very short, we've got about two minutes left in this segment and
[01:41:13.440 --> 01:41:17.440]  I know for a fact from a call screener that a lot of these other callers want to talk
[01:41:17.440 --> 01:41:18.440]  on topics.
[01:41:18.440 --> 01:41:25.440]  So, callers, if you have a complex topic tonight, maybe we need to hold off until tomorrow night
[01:41:25.440 --> 01:41:26.440]  to talk about this.
[01:41:26.440 --> 01:41:30.720]  Yeah, we've got four hours tomorrow night, then we've got time for you to kind of orient
[01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:35.080]  us into where you're at because I'm trying to figure out how to...
[01:41:35.080 --> 01:41:39.200]  We can give you a lot more time tomorrow night because this sounds like a long topic.
[01:41:39.200 --> 01:41:44.200]  We have to go on for jurisdiction for them to even put a cease and desist order on them,
[01:41:44.200 --> 01:41:45.200]  you know.
[01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:53.440]  Okay, I think this is from...to go to the IRS perspective is going to take us a while
[01:41:53.440 --> 01:41:54.960]  to build the context.
[01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:55.960]  Right, right.
[01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:57.960]  Can you call us in tomorrow night?
[01:41:57.960 --> 01:41:58.960]  We'll have a lot more time.
[01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:00.520]  Yes, we'll have a lot more time.
[01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.200]  We can give you a lot more time tomorrow night, Stephen.
[01:42:03.200 --> 01:42:04.200]  Okay then.
[01:42:04.200 --> 01:42:05.200]  Okay, yeah, yeah.
[01:42:05.200 --> 01:42:06.200]  Thank you.
[01:42:06.200 --> 01:42:07.200]  Thank you so much.
[01:42:07.200 --> 01:42:08.200]  Okay, thank you.
[01:42:08.200 --> 01:42:13.160]  And listeners, we're not trying to put you off, but this is a very critical issue right
[01:42:13.160 --> 01:42:14.160]  now.
[01:42:14.160 --> 01:42:20.920]  There's people who literally their lives are on the line, their properties, you know, possible
[01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:22.240]  raids are coming down.
[01:42:22.240 --> 01:42:27.200]  I mean, we're having to get emergency protective orders and injunctions and restraining orders
[01:42:27.200 --> 01:42:28.440]  and things like this.
[01:42:28.440 --> 01:42:31.520]  And so we need to discuss this issue and we need to reach out for help.
[01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:34.400]  So these other issues, we need to put them off a little bit.
[01:42:34.400 --> 01:42:38.400]  So we're going now to Kevin Michael.
[01:42:38.400 --> 01:42:39.480]  Kevin, thanks for calling in.
[01:42:39.480 --> 01:42:41.760]  You have some questions or comments on this topic?
[01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:42.760]  Yeah, I did.
[01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:49.840]  Well, I can say for one thing, I am in California, but I haven't passed off any bad case law to
[01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:55.320]  Randy because I haven't ever sent him anything, so just to clear that up.
[01:42:55.320 --> 01:42:58.040]  That's why I didn't mute you.
[01:42:58.040 --> 01:42:59.400]  What's that?
[01:42:59.400 --> 01:43:00.400]  That's why you're not muted.
[01:43:00.400 --> 01:43:04.680]  Oh, did you hear me talking like that?
[01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:05.680]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:06.680]  Okay.
[01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:14.400]  Anyway, you can follow Amicus Curie briefs and I think the people can write an affidavit
[01:43:14.400 --> 01:43:20.560]  saying what they've received as far as help can really go a long ways in the radio station
[01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:23.280]  issue.
[01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:26.400]  I am glad you mentioned Amicus Curie briefs.
[01:43:26.400 --> 01:43:31.480]  When we come back from the other side, I want to take just a minute or two to address that.
[01:43:31.480 --> 01:43:32.480]  Okay.
[01:43:32.480 --> 01:43:33.480]  Thank you.
[01:43:33.480 --> 01:43:34.480]  Hang on.
[01:43:34.480 --> 01:43:35.480]  Yes.
[01:43:35.480 --> 01:43:37.480]  Stay on the line, Kevin.
[01:43:37.480 --> 01:43:38.480]  Okay.
[01:43:38.480 --> 01:43:43.680]  After that, we've got Mark from Massachusetts and Mitchell from Texas, Gary from Georgia.
[01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:48.000]  We're going to do everything we can to take all of your calls in the next segment, the
[01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:49.000]  final segment.
[01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:50.000]  We'll be right back.
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[01:45:49.500 --> 01:45:50.500]  Okay, we are back.
[01:45:50.500 --> 01:45:51.500]  Final segments.
[01:45:51.500 --> 01:45:58.500]  We're talking right now with Kevin, Michael, and we're discussing Amicus Curiae brief.
[01:45:58.500 --> 01:46:01.500]  Oh, tonight I mentioned one note.
[01:46:01.500 --> 01:46:07.500]  A guy in New York wants Charlie Sprinkle, Eddie, and me to go to New York and put on
[01:46:07.500 --> 01:46:13.500]  a seminar so anybody that's in the New York area may get in contact with Eddie or something
[01:46:13.500 --> 01:46:16.500]  that wants them to come up there or something.
[01:46:16.500 --> 01:46:18.500]  Go ahead.
[01:46:18.500 --> 01:46:21.500]  Wait a minute.
[01:46:21.500 --> 01:46:23.500]  What kind of seminar?
[01:46:23.500 --> 01:46:26.500]  A traffic seminar.
[01:46:26.500 --> 01:46:28.500]  In New York?
[01:46:28.500 --> 01:46:29.500]  Yeah.
[01:46:29.500 --> 01:46:32.500]  Interesting.
[01:46:32.500 --> 01:46:35.500]  Is this shameless self-promotion?
[01:46:35.500 --> 01:46:39.500]  I happen to particularly like saying shameless self-promotion.
[01:46:39.500 --> 01:46:47.500]  Okay, Randy, I was thinking about what your situation is too about the radio station.
[01:46:47.500 --> 01:46:52.500]  If you look in the FCC rules, if you're not really making any money on it, they can't
[01:46:52.500 --> 01:46:58.500]  really control how you use the airwaves.
[01:46:58.500 --> 01:47:02.500]  So it has to be commercial.
[01:47:02.500 --> 01:47:05.500]  We have to be showing a profit.
[01:47:05.500 --> 01:47:09.500]  Well, really, according to their own rules, it has to not only be commercial, but it has
[01:47:09.500 --> 01:47:11.500]  to be interstate as well.
[01:47:11.500 --> 01:47:17.500]  But the courts have basically side swiped that whole issue by the cases we were talking
[01:47:17.500 --> 01:47:18.500]  about earlier.
[01:47:18.500 --> 01:47:23.500]  There was another case that was completely outrageous that had to do with someone doing
[01:47:23.500 --> 01:47:29.500]  low-power FM, strictly intrastate, and he was beating them up in court, and then the
[01:47:29.500 --> 01:47:33.500]  FCC argued, well, okay, we know.
[01:47:33.500 --> 01:47:37.500]  He doesn't really have to have a license according to our rules and according to our
[01:47:37.500 --> 01:47:42.500]  laws, but we can't let him do it because if we let him do it, then everyone else will
[01:47:42.500 --> 01:47:46.500]  do it too, and there will be hundreds of transmitters popping up all over the place.
[01:47:46.500 --> 01:47:51.500]  And eventually, someday, somewhere down the line over the rainbow, someone will put up
[01:47:51.500 --> 01:47:58.500]  a low-power FM transmitter close to state lines, and then it will or it might cross
[01:47:58.500 --> 01:48:03.500]  state lines in that scenario, and then it might interfere with its transmissions over
[01:48:03.500 --> 01:48:07.500]  the state, so therefore, we can't let this go on.
[01:48:07.500 --> 01:48:13.500]  And the court said, okay, so see, there's a lot of really bad case law that has to be
[01:48:13.500 --> 01:48:17.500]  unraveled and skirted around in these issues here.
[01:48:17.500 --> 01:48:26.500]  Well, the way that I'm looking at it in many cases is, number one, I always look to
[01:48:26.500 --> 01:48:32.500]  see what the Constitution says on anything about it, and if it's not there, I look to
[01:48:32.500 --> 01:48:37.500]  my other avenue, is that I never try to create a controversy in the court that the
[01:48:37.500 --> 01:48:39.500]  court can hear in the first place.
[01:48:39.500 --> 01:48:43.500]  I say that I do not accept or assent the authority of the court, and basically, it
[01:48:43.500 --> 01:48:44.500]  shuts them down.
[01:48:44.500 --> 01:48:48.500]  And then you file your order, they're canceling the case, like what's happening in the
[01:48:48.500 --> 01:48:51.500]  banking case here.
[01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:57.500]  You know, so it could be similar to that, but you have to know where you're standing
[01:48:57.500 --> 01:49:02.500]  and what ground and how far you want to go with these things and how much energy you
[01:49:02.500 --> 01:49:07.500]  have to expand the course.
[01:49:07.500 --> 01:49:16.500]  So what I would do is I'd look in those FCC rules there and try to not be contrary.
[01:49:16.500 --> 01:49:17.500]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:49:17.500 --> 01:49:18.500]  No, no, no.
[01:49:18.500 --> 01:49:20.500]  I do not want to look at the FCC rules.
[01:49:20.500 --> 01:49:22.500]  We're challenging their jurisdiction.
[01:49:22.500 --> 01:49:23.500]  Yeah.
[01:49:23.500 --> 01:49:24.500]  Who the hell are you, Doug?
[01:49:24.500 --> 01:49:27.500]  You guys telling us that your rules matter to me.
[01:49:27.500 --> 01:49:28.500]  Exactly.
[01:49:28.500 --> 01:49:30.500]  We're challenging the jurisdiction.
[01:49:30.500 --> 01:49:40.500]  The answer we sent to them was, I live in Texas and I'm operating in Texas.
[01:49:40.500 --> 01:49:44.500]  I'm a citizen of Texas, and I'm minding my own business in Texas.
[01:49:44.500 --> 01:49:46.500]  Who the heck are you?
[01:49:46.500 --> 01:49:50.500]  Show me that you have jurisdiction to even talk to me or go away.
[01:49:50.500 --> 01:49:52.500]  Federal Corp.
[01:49:52.500 --> 01:49:53.500]  Insurance, read Merrill.
[01:49:53.500 --> 01:49:57.500]  My duty to make that determination before I pay you any attention.
[01:49:57.500 --> 01:50:08.500]  So the last thing I want to do is go to any federal rulings, any federal rules or case law,
[01:50:08.500 --> 01:50:13.500]  until these guys show that they have some authority to come into the state and bother me.
[01:50:13.500 --> 01:50:14.500]  Exactly.
[01:50:14.500 --> 01:50:16.500]  That's where I've got to.
[01:50:16.500 --> 01:50:22.500]  And basically I was looking at some constitutions like in Maryland and California,
[01:50:22.500 --> 01:50:28.500]  it says the people basically grant the government power to do things,
[01:50:28.500 --> 01:50:31.500]  and what's not the government can't do anything.
[01:50:31.500 --> 01:50:35.500]  So I stand on Article 1, Section 1 or 2.
[01:50:35.500 --> 01:50:37.500]  Exactly.
[01:50:37.500 --> 01:50:38.500]  Okay, listen, Kevin.
[01:50:38.500 --> 01:50:41.500]  Kevin, we need to move on because, well, a couple of reasons.
[01:50:41.500 --> 01:50:42.500]  We can't understand what you're saying very well.
[01:50:42.500 --> 01:50:43.500]  You've got a bad connection.
[01:50:43.500 --> 01:50:47.500]  And I also want to try to take in some of these other callers while we have time left.
[01:50:47.500 --> 01:50:48.500]  We've only got about seven minutes.
[01:50:48.500 --> 01:50:50.500]  All right, you can call in tomorrow night.
[01:50:50.500 --> 01:50:52.500]  We can talk about this more at length.
[01:50:52.500 --> 01:50:53.500]  Oh, sure.
[01:50:53.500 --> 01:50:55.500]  Yeah, or you guys can phone me on the phone.
[01:50:55.500 --> 01:50:56.500]  Okay.
[01:50:55.500 --> 01:50:57.500]  All right, thanks.
[01:50:57.500 --> 01:50:58.500]  Okay.
[01:50:57.500 --> 01:50:58.500]  Yeah.
[01:50:58.500 --> 01:50:59.500]  Okay, bye-bye.
[01:50:59.500 --> 01:51:02.500]  Okay, we're going now to Mark in Massachusetts.
[01:51:02.500 --> 01:51:04.500]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:51:04.500 --> 01:51:06.500]  What's your question or comment?
[01:51:06.500 --> 01:51:09.500]  My question was about the traffic laws.
[01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:12.500]  Okay, can you hold, please, because we want to finish up on this FCC radio thing.
[01:51:12.500 --> 01:51:14.500]  So just hold on one second.
[01:51:14.500 --> 01:51:17.500]  Okay, we're going to go to Mitchell in Texas.
[01:51:17.500 --> 01:51:19.500]  Mitchell, thanks for calling in.
[01:51:19.500 --> 01:51:21.500]  What's your question or comment?
[01:51:21.500 --> 01:51:29.500]  Hey, guys, I don't see how your case, the radio case, can get kicked out of state court if,
[01:51:29.500 --> 01:51:33.500]  and just bear with me a second while I sort of lay down my presumption,
[01:51:33.500 --> 01:51:39.500]  if you have a criminal indictment against the individual, not against the agency,
[01:51:39.500 --> 01:51:44.500]  but against the individual, especially if it's passed down by a grand jury
[01:51:44.500 --> 01:51:51.500]  and if that individual being asserted to have violated 3903 of the penal code,
[01:51:51.500 --> 01:51:58.500]  which says that a public servant can't do anything that violates someone's rights, privileges,
[01:51:58.500 --> 01:52:00.500]  and that kind of thing.
[01:52:00.500 --> 01:52:03.500]  So basically, how would it get kicked out?
[01:52:03.500 --> 01:52:07.500]  I am so glad you brought that up.
[01:52:07.500 --> 01:52:13.500]  We didn't go there initially, and I hope he's listening,
[01:52:13.500 --> 01:52:17.500]  because we'll get to that part.
[01:52:17.500 --> 01:52:19.500]  Right now, I want him stopped.
[01:52:19.500 --> 01:52:24.500]  I want the court to tell him to stop where he's at.
[01:52:24.500 --> 01:52:29.500]  But absolutely, 39.03 is in the works.
[01:52:29.500 --> 01:52:32.500]  That is not something we're going to miss.
[01:52:32.500 --> 01:52:39.500]  Absent a valid oath of office, he is absolute subject matter jurisdiction and authority,
[01:52:39.500 --> 01:52:45.500]  and absolutely he is impersonating a federal official.
[01:52:45.500 --> 01:52:48.500]  Yeah, not to mention that he doesn't have an oath of office.
[01:52:48.500 --> 01:52:50.500]  Yeah, the oath of office is the key.
[01:52:50.500 --> 01:52:52.500]  We already foiled that.
[01:52:52.500 --> 01:52:54.500]  We just got it back the other day.
[01:52:54.500 --> 01:52:58.500]  Well, I guess what I'm saying is, to me, the oath of office never even comes into it.
[01:52:58.500 --> 01:53:02.500]  There's just simply no subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:53:02.500 --> 01:53:08.500]  Well, the case law has the appearance of granting him subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:53:08.500 --> 01:53:12.500]  and it is the case law that we want to challenge.
[01:53:12.500 --> 01:53:16.500]  But in his case, he has no oath of office.
[01:53:16.500 --> 01:53:21.500]  That means he cannot be a public official.
[01:53:21.500 --> 01:53:28.500]  He personally has a problem that maybe some of these other officials might not have,
[01:53:28.500 --> 01:53:32.500]  but him personally, he has this problem.
[01:53:32.500 --> 01:53:39.500]  Even if he is an agent, what that provision of the penal code says is that an agent of the government
[01:53:39.500 --> 01:53:42.500]  can't do these things that denies someone a right,
[01:53:42.500 --> 01:53:46.500]  and the right you're being denied is privileges of the Constitution,
[01:53:46.500 --> 01:53:50.500]  the 10th Amendment, where unless it's an enumerated power,
[01:53:50.500 --> 01:53:53.500]  they basically just don't have jurisdiction, period.
[01:53:53.500 --> 01:53:56.500]  So even if he is a government agent, that doesn't matter.
[01:53:56.500 --> 01:54:00.500]  It's the individual, and I think this is key to a lot of these things,
[01:54:00.500 --> 01:54:05.500]  go after the individual for the individual acting wrongly.
[01:54:05.500 --> 01:54:08.500]  And that's precisely what we're doing.
[01:54:08.500 --> 01:54:10.500]  He's going after the individual.
[01:54:10.500 --> 01:54:15.500]  But when the individual has case law that appears to support his position,
[01:54:15.500 --> 01:54:19.500]  then he can claim that he's acting in good faith reliance.
[01:54:19.500 --> 01:54:21.500]  State case law or federal law?
[01:54:21.500 --> 01:54:24.500]  He has an affirmative defense.
[01:54:24.500 --> 01:54:26.500]  State case law or federal?
[01:54:26.500 --> 01:54:29.500]  That's federal law.
[01:54:29.500 --> 01:54:31.500]  That's, I guess, what I'm getting at, too.
[01:54:31.500 --> 01:54:33.500]  Federal really doesn't even matter.
[01:54:33.500 --> 01:54:35.500]  And I'm talking theoretically, of course.
[01:54:35.500 --> 01:54:39.500]  You know, I know there's a practical side, but we're getting back to practical for a minute.
[01:54:39.500 --> 01:54:44.500]  Federal courts have no jurisdiction over state issues, period.
[01:54:44.500 --> 01:54:48.500]  Exactly, and that's precisely what we're trying to do.
[01:54:48.500 --> 01:54:53.500]  We're trying to get the state to say to the feds, get lost.
[01:54:53.500 --> 01:54:55.500]  This is our business.
[01:54:55.500 --> 01:54:56.500]  It's not your business.
[01:54:56.500 --> 01:54:58.500]  Get out of our state.
[01:54:58.500 --> 01:55:02.500]  And when the feds come in and try to pull it from their jurisdiction,
[01:55:02.500 --> 01:55:10.500]  I'm trying to get the feds to, I mean, the state to object to the feds preempting their jurisdiction.
[01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:11.500]  Got it.
[01:55:11.500 --> 01:55:16.500]  If I can stick the state on the feds, I've got a lot better chance of winning in the end.
[01:55:16.500 --> 01:55:18.500]  I'm with you 100 percent.
[01:55:18.500 --> 01:55:21.500]  Just not under federal jurisdiction, period.
[01:55:21.500 --> 01:55:23.500]  That's at the root of all of it.
[01:55:23.500 --> 01:55:27.500]  That's exactly what we're trying to stay out from under.
[01:55:27.500 --> 01:55:28.500]  All right, have a good evening.
[01:55:28.500 --> 01:55:29.500]  All right, thanks.
[01:55:29.500 --> 01:55:30.500]  You got any more questions?
[01:55:30.500 --> 01:55:32.500]  We've got more callers.
[01:55:32.500 --> 01:55:33.500]  No, you can move on.
[01:55:33.500 --> 01:55:34.500]  All right, thanks, Mitchell.
[01:55:34.500 --> 01:55:35.500]  Thank you.
[01:55:35.500 --> 01:55:36.500]  Okay, we're going to go to Gary now.
[01:55:36.500 --> 01:55:39.500]  I believe Gary is on topic, Gary in Georgia.
[01:55:39.500 --> 01:55:41.500]  Gary, what do you have for us?
[01:55:41.500 --> 01:55:42.500]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:55:42.500 --> 01:55:46.500]  I got, it must be a half an hour, but I've got five minutes to say it.
[01:55:46.500 --> 01:55:52.500]  I will say, federal courts, the courts have limited jurisdiction, presumed not to exist.
[01:55:52.500 --> 01:55:56.500]  Let's show under Article 3, a case of controversy.
[01:55:56.500 --> 01:56:05.500]  So under the APA, which Randy wanted to know, the citation is Chrysler v. Brown, 44 U.S.C.
[01:56:05.500 --> 01:56:15.500]  You can get this on your, because I'm talking so fast, 44441 U.S. 281.
[01:56:15.500 --> 01:56:19.500]  What it is is under the housekeeping rule that it pertains to them.
[01:56:19.500 --> 01:56:31.500]  Now, as far as Article 1, Section 1 clause, Article 4, say 432 is that Congress shall have a jurisdiction
[01:56:31.500 --> 01:56:35.500]  in the state to regulate its own property.
[01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:42.500]  And then Article 1, Section 8 clause 17 says Congress shall have exclusive legislative jurisdiction,
[01:56:42.500 --> 01:56:45.500]  force, magazines, stockyards, and other legal buildings.
[01:56:45.500 --> 01:56:50.500]  My state in Georgia says 52-22 says the same thing.
[01:56:50.500 --> 01:56:58.500]  I live in a military state, and this month they're going to have a protest outside of Fort Benning.
[01:56:58.500 --> 01:57:08.500]  And if you trespass in Fort Benning, which the state has conceded that territory, then the feds are arrested.
[01:57:08.500 --> 01:57:16.500]  Outside of that, anyway, basically, since the short time, I can't say what I'd like to say,
[01:57:16.500 --> 01:57:22.500]  but I will tell you, as far as standing, the man has no standing.
[01:57:22.500 --> 01:57:28.500]  And if you want to know for it, I have a right to join you soon, absolutely.
[01:57:28.500 --> 01:57:34.500]  You know why? For honest and best services, 18 U.S.C. 1445.
[01:57:34.500 --> 01:57:38.500]  Yes, and that's gained some ground. Will you call in tomorrow night?
[01:57:38.500 --> 01:57:42.500]  Yes, Gary, please call in tomorrow night. We'll start off with you if you like.
[01:57:42.500 --> 01:57:49.500]  Yeah, I tell you, I've got answers for all of your questions just at the end. God bless. Take care.
[01:57:49.500 --> 01:57:51.500]  Okay, call in right at 8.
[01:57:51.500 --> 01:57:52.500]  All right.
[01:57:52.500 --> 01:57:56.500]  Okay, and we've got Bill from Wisconsin that says he's got a case that might help.
[01:57:56.500 --> 01:58:00.500]  Bill, quickly, we've got a minute left. What's your citation?
[01:58:00.500 --> 01:58:11.500]  Okay, the citation here is Prince versus U.S. 521 U.S. 898, the 1997 case.
[01:58:11.500 --> 01:58:15.500]  You may not know the name Prince, but Sheriff Mack may come to mind.
[01:58:15.500 --> 01:58:16.500]  Okay.
[01:58:16.500 --> 01:58:17.500]  That has to do with the tip on that one.
[01:58:17.500 --> 01:58:18.500]  Bad Mack?
[01:58:18.500 --> 01:58:19.500]  Never heard of him.
[01:58:19.500 --> 01:58:20.500]  Never heard of him?
[01:58:20.500 --> 01:58:21.500]  Yeah, he's kidding.
[01:58:21.500 --> 01:58:22.500]  That's too bad.
[01:58:22.500 --> 01:58:23.500]  He's joking.
[01:58:23.500 --> 01:58:27.500]  Okay, you might want to review that because they're talking about the state's rights,
[01:58:27.500 --> 01:58:30.500]  primarily the one on a tense amendment issue.
[01:58:30.500 --> 01:58:33.500]  Wonderful. That's what we need.
[01:58:33.500 --> 01:58:38.500]  Okay, excellent. Excellent, Bill. Thank you.
[01:58:38.500 --> 01:58:41.500]  Let me get down to my one point here on stage.
[01:58:41.500 --> 01:58:45.500]  Okay, wait a minute. We've got 15 seconds. You'll have to call back tomorrow night.
[01:58:45.500 --> 01:58:46.500]  I'll call you back tomorrow.
[01:58:46.500 --> 01:58:51.500]  Okay, call me back tomorrow night. All right, we'll be back tomorrow night at 8 p.m.
[01:58:51.500 --> 01:58:58.500]  Gary, Bill, call back in and stay tuned for endless fraud detection coming right up.
[01:59:21.500 --> 01:59:23.500]  We'll be right back.
[01:59:51.500 --> 01:59:58.500]  Thank you.