[00:00.000 --> 00:14.000] Okay, we are back. We're going into overtime mode here. And we are now speaking with, we've [00:14.000 --> 00:23.080] got Pat from Texas still on the line. One second here. I've got to just get one thing [00:23.080 --> 00:30.440] going real quick. We've got Pat from Texas on the line and we are going to go to Jim [00:30.440 --> 00:37.920] in Texas. I'm sorry, Jim in Ohio. Jim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? [00:37.920 --> 00:42.720] Good evening. Hey there, what is your question for Pat? [00:42.720 --> 00:48.760] What a great discussion. I was going to try to throw three or four quick things at you [00:48.760 --> 00:57.560] and then hang up and let you treat them. First thing, based on a gentleman from Oregon talking [00:57.560 --> 01:04.160] about a lien, of course his was a little older, but if a lien has been, just like Eddie had [01:04.160 --> 01:09.560] said earlier, the first thing about a lien is that for at least two reasons it's always [01:09.560 --> 01:20.480] false and always unenforceable if we take action back in court against them. First of [01:20.480 --> 01:28.960] all because it can only be brought against a federal official, but second of all because [01:28.960 --> 01:34.600] the liens are always, always false because the judgment hasn't been gotten before the [01:34.600 --> 01:41.280] lien is filed. There has to be a judgment on the state level. Am I not right? [01:41.280 --> 01:47.440] Well, there are two means that you can have, a mechanics or material man's that doesn't [01:47.440 --> 01:51.560] require a prior judgment. Is that right? [01:51.560 --> 01:56.760] Yeah, but you've got to have a default before you can perfect either one of them. [01:56.760 --> 02:05.880] Right, a material man provides materials to the property under contract and he's not paid. [02:05.880 --> 02:12.520] That creates a lien as a matter of law. He can file the notice of the lien, but he can't [02:12.520 --> 02:18.200] execute the lien until he goes to the court and gets a judgment to execute the lien. But [02:18.200 --> 02:25.040] he can file a material man's or a mechanic's lien based on the contract. [02:25.040 --> 02:32.480] My idea is that if it's possible to do, if the time will permit, that you hold them up [02:32.480 --> 02:42.680] on execution of the lien so that you can begin your process and attempt to go back to patent [02:42.680 --> 02:47.120] decision, then you may be able to block it before they take it. I don't know whether [02:47.120 --> 02:50.120] you can get it back after the fact or not. [02:50.120 --> 02:55.840] Apparently, Pat, it doesn't take long to bring the patent forward, does it? [02:55.840 --> 03:02.280] Well, if you go and get your patent and have your other stuff, you're talking about maybe [03:02.280 --> 03:09.960] a week, 10 days total time turnaround. It depends on, do you have your survey done already [03:09.960 --> 03:18.640] and what the workload is over team law. But right now, their workload has been fairly [03:18.640 --> 03:27.240] light. So, you're only looking at about 10 days, which if you've ever tried to get a [03:27.240 --> 03:31.440] court date in 10 days, you're doing a lot of work. [03:31.440 --> 03:34.920] Yeah, that should be plenty of time. [03:34.920 --> 03:43.340] You should beat the other hands down. Get it in, get it filed, then show the judge when [03:43.340 --> 03:54.200] you go in to beat their judgment. Just drop the patent on the judge and say, I'm sorry [03:54.200 --> 03:58.520] sir, but their lien doesn't hold water here. [03:58.520 --> 04:08.520] Yeah. Well, the next thing that came to mind back when Randy said interesting about imminent [04:08.520 --> 04:15.800] domain is that this may be our chance to block the NAFTA highway by- [04:15.800 --> 04:24.240] I've been saying this now for two years. Sir, I have been beating my head against the wall [04:24.240 --> 04:32.600] to get people to listen to me about that. It's frustrating on my side because I gave [04:32.600 --> 04:39.600] up for a while trying to tell people, get your patent, get your patent, get your patent, [04:39.600 --> 04:45.440] tell the people trying to put this highway through to please take a very long walk off [04:45.440 --> 04:47.600] a very short pier. [04:47.600 --> 04:52.840] Well, it's the answer, isn't it? [04:52.840 --> 04:54.160] It is the answer. [04:54.160 --> 04:56.200] It is the answer. [04:56.200 --> 05:02.560] It is the answer to the land grab going up from Mexico all the way to Canada. It's not [05:02.560 --> 05:07.600] just one highway, they're trying to put four of them through. [05:07.600 --> 05:13.920] Stop voting in combat, that would be a big help too. [05:13.920 --> 05:15.320] Yeah. [05:15.320 --> 05:21.560] Well, one final mention. There were four things, I forgot one. One final mention and then I'll [05:21.560 --> 05:30.960] jump off the line. A mention made about how as sovereigns we become equal to kings and [05:30.960 --> 05:38.000] queens but truly following all of our founding documents and all the way back to the common [05:38.000 --> 05:44.680] law to scripture, we are only sovereign as princes and princesses, all of us. It's pretty [05:44.680 --> 05:53.760] huge monarchy but the king of the universe, our Lord and Savior, Yeshua HaMashiach, the [05:53.760 --> 05:54.760] only king. [05:54.760 --> 05:56.760] You're the only king. [05:56.760 --> 06:01.320] The only king and that's my final word tonight on that. [06:01.320 --> 06:02.400] Thank you, sir. [06:02.400 --> 06:03.400] Thank you. [06:03.400 --> 06:04.400] All right. Thank you, Jim. [06:04.400 --> 06:05.400] Bye-bye. [06:05.400 --> 06:15.840] Okay, we're going now to Mark in Austin. Mark, thanks for calling. What is on your mind tonight? [06:15.840 --> 06:18.280] What is your question or comment for our guest, Pat? [06:18.280 --> 06:25.800] Great. Let's see. Actually, I've got a few questions for Pat concerning the land pat. [06:25.800 --> 06:32.800] The first is, I think he touched on it about, let's see, what would the... Okay, trying [06:32.800 --> 06:39.800] to read my own writing here. Trying to read my own writing. My little notes I made on [06:39.800 --> 06:40.800] my little notes here. [06:40.800 --> 06:43.880] It sounds like my writing but keep going. [06:43.880 --> 06:50.600] There you go. There you go. What will the mortgage company attempt to do if you're trying [06:50.600 --> 07:02.560] to implement this land patent? What recourse do they have? Obviously, it's not in their [07:02.560 --> 07:06.120] best interest that you have this but... [07:06.120 --> 07:09.240] As long as you keep paying your mortgage. [07:09.240 --> 07:10.240] Okay. [07:10.240 --> 07:13.280] They won't do anything. [07:13.280 --> 07:16.840] And can they do anything? [07:16.840 --> 07:23.040] They could probably try and sue you, get a judgment, but they already have a contract. [07:23.040 --> 07:27.160] All they're going to be doing is spending money to try and collect money. [07:27.160 --> 07:28.160] Will they... [07:28.160 --> 07:29.160] I'm sorry. [07:29.160 --> 07:33.760] As long as you're not in default, there's... [07:33.760 --> 07:42.800] Right. Exactly. Will they in any way be notified that there is in fact a land patent on the [07:42.800 --> 07:48.760] property or that there is an attempt to put a land patent for you to carry forward this [07:48.760 --> 07:51.960] land patent? Would they be notified? [07:51.960 --> 07:53.920] Not unless you notify them. [07:53.920 --> 07:58.280] Okay. That's great. Excellent. [07:58.280 --> 08:06.040] You have to understand something about land patents for the state of Texas. If you have [08:06.040 --> 08:10.600] a piece of property and you have a mortgage on it, the likelihood that a land patent has [08:10.600 --> 08:14.840] already been issued is about 99.99999%. [08:14.840 --> 08:16.840] Correct. [08:16.840 --> 08:27.440] And so they know that there's a land patent on that property. Now, if they get wind that [08:27.440 --> 08:34.160] you're trying to bring it forward and accept the assignment on the land patent, they cannot [08:34.160 --> 08:44.960] do anything to stop that. That is your right to accept ownership or title to land. [08:44.960 --> 08:48.400] Understand. Okay. So basically... [08:48.400 --> 08:50.640] Go ahead. I'm sorry. [08:50.640 --> 09:00.040] If they try to stop you from exercising a right, then they're in violation of the law [09:00.040 --> 09:04.200] and you have grounds to go out to them for fraud. [09:04.200 --> 09:11.400] So once you bring forward that land patent in your name, what rights would they have [09:11.400 --> 09:15.680] to foreclose on the property? [09:15.680 --> 09:17.680] None. [09:17.680 --> 09:18.680] None. [09:18.680 --> 09:27.200] So if you go to default and they try to go into foreclosure, they cannot foreclose on [09:27.200 --> 09:33.680] the property, but they can sue you for the money and they'll probably get a judgment [09:33.680 --> 09:35.960] because you have a contract. [09:35.960 --> 09:47.880] Right. Okay. And also, how long does this process take as far as bringing the land patent [09:47.880 --> 09:51.920] forward in your name? How long does that normally take? [09:51.920 --> 10:03.440] Well, it can take as little as a week. How fast can you do the research to get the documents [10:03.440 --> 10:17.520] together? It took me several years to understand what I didn't need to do. And when I found [10:17.520 --> 10:23.240] out what I really, truly needed to do, it took me 15 minutes. [10:23.240 --> 10:29.760] Okay. And then can you also do this on rental property? Let's say that for instance, I have [10:29.760 --> 10:37.760] some property in South Texas and I have one or two here in Austin as well. [10:37.760 --> 10:39.560] You bought the property, right? [10:39.560 --> 10:47.760] Well, the property in South Texas, I've got that framed clear, but... [10:47.760 --> 10:50.720] Well, what I'm saying is you have a deed on it. [10:50.720 --> 10:51.720] Correct. [10:51.720 --> 10:52.720] Why? [10:52.720 --> 10:53.720] Exactly. [10:53.720 --> 10:59.960] That's your property. There's nothing that prohibits you from having multiple pieces [10:59.960 --> 11:11.240] of property, either in multiple counties or multiple states or anywhere in the world. [11:11.240 --> 11:15.440] It's property. It's something you own. Well, that's why... [11:15.440 --> 11:20.640] All of it has the patent. You just need to bring the patent forward no matter where the [11:20.640 --> 11:21.640] property is. [11:21.640 --> 11:29.400] That's correct. Now, understand that not all land in the other states have been patented. [11:29.400 --> 11:38.160] Some of it is still listed as public land. They were sold but never transferred under [11:38.160 --> 11:45.240] patent. But you can bring that forward. You can go ahead and get a patent on it. It will [11:45.240 --> 11:48.080] cost you a couple hundred dollars through the BLM. [11:48.080 --> 11:54.000] I was going to say, Travis County isn't going to like me too much after that, I don't think. [11:54.000 --> 11:57.000] Tell them to kiss. [11:57.000 --> 11:58.000] Join the club. [11:58.000 --> 11:59.600] I mean, they're just... [11:59.600 --> 12:00.600] Too bad. [12:00.600 --> 12:01.600] ...making it through suing them. [12:01.600 --> 12:02.600] They are so... [12:02.600 --> 12:05.600] And take the courthouse, I'll get a land patent on it. [12:05.600 --> 12:13.880] I have been, I can't tell you how many times down to the, what do you call it, the appraisal [12:13.880 --> 12:20.800] district. I mean, they're tough. I don't know how they are in Carroll County, but here in [12:20.800 --> 12:26.200] Travis County, they are really, really tough here. [12:26.200 --> 12:36.680] Well, you have to understand, they're paid to block any protests. It's just like when [12:36.680 --> 12:43.680] I lived in San Antonio, I was down there every year protesting my taxes. And I helped several [12:43.680 --> 12:50.240] of my neighbors, especially a young lady, she's now living with her daughter over in [12:50.240 --> 12:57.320] Houston. She's 80-some-odd years old. They had raised her property taxes on her house [12:57.320 --> 13:04.640] and she was already over 65. They doubled the appraisal value in one year. Violation [13:04.640 --> 13:12.760] of state law to start with for appraisal and the procedures dealing with it and everything. [13:12.760 --> 13:22.560] But when we finished with them, they actually dropped her appraisal $35,000 below where [13:22.560 --> 13:31.080] it started from. And they were happy to get me out of their office. But every year after [13:31.080 --> 13:36.560] that, I went back down there with her and then several of my other neighbors finally [13:36.560 --> 13:45.720] saw what was going on. So we all kind of ganged up down there. [13:45.720 --> 13:52.080] How long have you been removed or had your property removed from the tax roll? Your property [13:52.080 --> 13:53.080] in South Texas, sir? [13:53.080 --> 14:02.720] I'm actually out in West Texas, but just this year. I finally perfected everything and got [14:02.720 --> 14:10.320] to the point where I can say, yeah, this is what we have to do and I got into Austin. [14:10.320 --> 14:17.720] Austin is only, what, 380, 400 miles from here. So we'll get there very often. [14:17.720 --> 14:20.240] Where in West Texas are you? [14:20.240 --> 14:27.520] 16 miles from the river. If you go to Del Rio and make a right, where Highway 90 makes [14:27.520 --> 14:33.120] a right, right there at that stop light, go 100 miles. You're going to be right in front [14:33.120 --> 14:34.120] of my front gate. [14:34.120 --> 14:36.920] Okay. You're only about 400 miles from us then, huh? [14:36.920 --> 14:38.520] Yeah, about that. [14:38.520 --> 14:40.560] Yeah, that's just a stone's throw. [14:40.560 --> 14:43.520] All right. Here in Texas, anyway. [14:43.520 --> 14:49.920] Yeah, you spit real hard. Well, from San Antonio, I'm at the halfway point to El Paso. [14:49.920 --> 14:51.920] Oh, yeah. Okay. [14:51.920 --> 14:54.920] So that'll give you a clue. [14:54.920 --> 14:59.920] All right. Well, I hear the dogs barking and you're on the tower and I hope you're not [14:59.920 --> 15:02.920] running from the law or something. It sounds like the bloodhounds are out. [15:02.920 --> 15:07.920] No, that's his dogs. They're chasing a deer. [15:07.920 --> 15:10.920] No, these are my dogs. They eat the law at bay. [15:10.920 --> 15:17.920] If I could, Pat, I would love to get your email, I guess, off air because I don't want [15:17.920 --> 15:21.920] to top the line. I'm sure you've got some other callers and whatnot, but I'd like to [15:21.920 --> 15:26.920] – if that'd be okay, if I could drop you – [15:26.920 --> 15:34.920] Yeah, yeah. Send Deborah an email and she'll email you back my email address. [15:34.920 --> 15:36.920] That's the easiest way to get a hold of me. [15:36.920 --> 15:40.920] Yeah, send Randy an email too because he checks the email more often. [15:40.920 --> 15:42.920] Oh, Randy. Okay, okay. [15:42.920 --> 15:46.920] Send me an email and I'll just forward it to Pat. [15:46.920 --> 15:51.920] Yeah, that's the easiest way of doing it and I'll answer it back. [15:51.920 --> 15:54.920] Well, I hadn't read the jurisdiction area yet, but I'm – [15:54.920 --> 15:56.920] Read it. It's good. [15:56.920 --> 15:59.920] I'm supposed to be – well, I'm in the class here in Austin, but I've been delayed, [15:59.920 --> 16:06.920] but I've – so I'm just kind of – I guess you could say I'm kind of novice at [16:06.920 --> 16:11.920] all this, but hopefully we'll get it down. [16:11.920 --> 16:15.920] It'll give you a sense of freedom. Nothing else will. [16:15.920 --> 16:16.920] That's what I'm discovering. [16:16.920 --> 16:19.920] Yeah, and if you want to go through this process, it would be a good idea to go [16:19.920 --> 16:25.920] through that jurisdiction area because here in Travis County, it's highly likely [16:25.920 --> 16:30.920] we're going to have to take this into court because like Pat has said many times, [16:30.920 --> 16:37.920] just because you go through the steps that he's presenting and team law, [16:37.920 --> 16:42.920] just because you are able to bring your land patent forward to prove free [16:42.920 --> 16:48.920] holdership of your property, that is not necessarily in and of itself going to [16:48.920 --> 16:50.920] get your property removed from the tax roll. [16:50.920 --> 16:55.920] You're still going to have to present those documents and that material to the [16:55.920 --> 17:00.920] appraisal district to petition them to remove your property from the tax roll, [17:00.920 --> 17:04.920] and they're most likely not going to do it here in Travis County. [17:04.920 --> 17:09.920] It wasn't much of a fight where Pat is because he's in a rural area and their [17:09.920 --> 17:12.920] property taxes are $30 a year anyway. [17:12.920 --> 17:15.920] There's less than 200 people in his county altogether, so it's not that big [17:15.920 --> 17:20.920] of a deal, but here in Travis County, in any major metropolitan area, [17:20.920 --> 17:22.920] they're going to put up a fight. [17:22.920 --> 17:26.920] They're going to look at you with glazed eyes like deer in the headlights. [17:26.920 --> 17:28.920] They're either going to pretend they don't know what you're talking about or [17:28.920 --> 17:31.920] they're actually not going to know what you're talking about, and you're most [17:31.920 --> 17:35.920] likely going to have to seek some sort of injunction, estoppel, like what Pat [17:35.920 --> 17:41.920] was saying earlier, to get a court order declaring your property private [17:41.920 --> 17:46.920] property, a court order to get your property off the tax roll. [17:46.920 --> 17:50.920] Or sue the individuals personally for fraud. [17:50.920 --> 17:51.920] Right. [17:51.920 --> 17:54.920] Deborah, Randy, Eddie, and Pat, do you know of anybody successfully here in [17:54.920 --> 17:58.920] Travis County that was able to do that? [17:58.920 --> 17:59.920] I do not. [17:59.920 --> 18:04.920] I have just started looking into this, but I do know someone who has a [18:04.920 --> 18:12.920] process in place that is well-established to get people's properties off the [18:12.920 --> 18:16.920] tax roll through the court system that I just described, but I don't know the [18:16.920 --> 18:21.920] specifics, and I've been trying to get a hold of this individual the last day [18:21.920 --> 18:26.920] or so to try to either get him on the air or get the process thoroughly [18:26.920 --> 18:31.920] explained to me, because we're most likely going to have to take it into the [18:31.920 --> 18:37.920] courts to get a court order to get the properties taken off the tax roll. [18:37.920 --> 18:43.920] Deborah, what might be, and Randy and Eddie, you guys might want to look at [18:43.920 --> 18:48.920] this, because there's going to be a number of people, especially after this [18:48.920 --> 18:54.920] show, in Austin and surrounding areas that are going to want to go in and do [18:54.920 --> 19:01.920] that. You might want to think about a class action, and I say this because [19:01.920 --> 19:07.920] it will make it a little easier instead of 100, 200, or even 1,000 individuals [19:07.920 --> 19:09.920] going in. [19:09.920 --> 19:16.920] If you do it as a class action, you may get some more traction there. [19:16.920 --> 19:20.920] Yeah, the only problem is they made the ability to get a class action in Texas [19:20.920 --> 19:24.920] so high with the monetary requirements to establish the suit. [19:24.920 --> 19:26.920] That's almost impossible. [19:26.920 --> 19:28.920] Yeah, that's the only problem. [19:28.920 --> 19:30.920] And then there's the other thing. [19:30.920 --> 19:34.920] Even if you file criminal charges against these people, even if you sue them [19:34.920 --> 19:41.920] for fraud or all these different things, even if you successfully win a case, [19:41.920 --> 19:47.920] either in court or out of court for fraud or whatever, that still does not [19:47.920 --> 19:53.920] accomplish the end goal, at least one of the end goals, of getting your property [19:53.920 --> 19:57.920] taken off the tax roll at the appraisal district. [19:57.920 --> 20:01.920] That's what I was thinking about is a class action to get it removed, to get [20:01.920 --> 20:08.920] the estoppel set on all the property, not so much going after the individuals [20:08.920 --> 20:14.920] and the comptroller's office and all this, but just to get the property removed [20:14.920 --> 20:22.920] off the tax roll, an injunctive relief with the estoppel. [20:22.920 --> 20:26.920] They're going to have to abide by what the judge at the district court level [20:26.920 --> 20:28.920] says, right, I mean? [20:28.920 --> 20:31.920] Well, yeah, but that's the whole point. [20:31.920 --> 20:35.920] You know, they can go in and appeal anything. [20:35.920 --> 20:41.920] The point is suing the individual is that we get to go into court and play [20:41.920 --> 20:44.920] let's make a deal. [20:44.920 --> 20:45.920] Sure. [20:45.920 --> 20:49.920] You take me off the tax roll, I leave your officials alone. [20:49.920 --> 20:50.920] Well, also... [20:50.920 --> 20:52.920] Otherwise I have no leverage. [20:52.920 --> 20:57.920] Well, you've got another leverage point on the tax people, and I've heard this [20:57.920 --> 21:03.920] used, I personally never did it, but I've heard of it used, and that is their [21:03.920 --> 21:17.920] bias in their application of taxes, and what you do is you want exemptions from [21:17.920 --> 21:23.920] that, and there's always exemptions that they grant to different groups or to [21:23.920 --> 21:31.920] different people, and tell them you want the same exemption. [21:31.920 --> 21:40.920] And normally it's 100%, and if they don't grant it, then you've got them for [21:40.920 --> 21:45.920] not just bias, but prejudice. [21:45.920 --> 21:50.920] Well, see, Pat, here in Travis County, we've got something else on the appraisal [21:50.920 --> 21:59.920] district as well, and that has to do with due process and the protest procedure, [21:59.920 --> 22:05.920] because in the state of Texas, there are laws governing how you can protest the [22:05.920 --> 22:11.920] appraisal of your property by these county appraisal districts, and you can [22:11.920 --> 22:19.920] under state statute, you can only protest the overall appraisal of the overall [22:19.920 --> 22:22.920] property value. [22:22.920 --> 22:29.920] There is no administrative procedure set in statute to protest the individual [22:29.920 --> 22:37.920] breakdown of what they are appraising your building versus the land, and so [22:37.920 --> 22:43.920] what has happened here in Travis County, especially in central Austin, is that [22:43.920 --> 22:48.920] they did this a few years ago in my neighborhood and other surrounding [22:48.920 --> 22:49.920] neighborhoods. [22:49.920 --> 22:57.920] What they did was in one year, they switched, they reversed their appraisal [22:57.920 --> 23:02.920] values of the building and the land, whereas for decades and decades, they [23:02.920 --> 23:09.920] were appraising the land at approximately two-thirds to three-quarters of the [23:09.920 --> 23:10.920] overall property value. [23:10.920 --> 23:16.920] I'm sorry, they were appraising the building value of two-thirds to three-quarters [23:16.920 --> 23:20.920] of the overall property value, and the land, they were appraising at [23:20.920 --> 23:25.920] approximately one-third to one-quarter, and then in one year, they reversed [23:25.920 --> 23:32.920] those figures, and I thought it was a typo, and it ended up it was not a typo. [23:32.920 --> 23:36.920] It was an in-run to bait. [23:36.920 --> 23:43.920] What it was is called developer bait, okay, for developers to come in and buy [23:43.920 --> 23:49.920] up properties and smash down the houses to build bigger houses, more expensive [23:49.920 --> 23:54.920] houses, so that they could end up doubling or tripling the overall property [23:54.920 --> 24:02.920] value, and what has happened as a result is mortgage companies, banks will not [24:02.920 --> 24:10.920] give a mortgage on a property where the building is worth or appraised less [24:10.920 --> 24:12.920] than the land, okay? [24:12.920 --> 24:17.920] So if somebody wants to sell their property in this situation, they have no [24:17.920 --> 24:20.920] choice but to sell to a developer. [24:20.920 --> 24:25.920] This is how they bring in their gentrification, and under state statute, [24:25.920 --> 24:31.920] there's no way to protest the individual breakdown, and when we tried, when [24:31.920 --> 24:36.920] other people in our neighborhoods tried, they just said, well, it's because, [24:36.920 --> 24:42.920] you know, we just haven't been keeping up with the value of the land, so now we [24:42.920 --> 24:47.920] have to catch up for the last few years, and there's no administrative way to [24:47.920 --> 24:52.920] protest that under state statute, and when you go to lawyers or these other [24:52.920 --> 24:57.920] people in town who help people protest their property, quote, unquote, property [24:57.920 --> 25:03.920] taxes, which really you can only protest the appraisal of the appraisal [25:03.920 --> 25:08.920] district, then these lawyers are like, well, what are you complaining about? [25:08.920 --> 25:12.920] The appraised value of your property hasn't changed. [25:12.920 --> 25:16.920] Your taxes are not changing, so what are you complaining about? [25:16.920 --> 25:20.920] Well, what we're complaining about is that it's a setup for following years to [25:20.920 --> 25:25.920] double or triple the property taxes, and so what Randy and I are determining [25:25.920 --> 25:31.920] from that is that this is fraud and that it basically is a violation of due [25:31.920 --> 25:38.920] process, and so what we're thinking here is how about this, guys, how about you [25:38.920 --> 25:43.920] just take our property off the tax roll and we'll drop our class action fraud [25:43.920 --> 25:45.920] suit against you? [25:45.920 --> 25:51.920] You know, you can do it that way, or remember that under state statute it is [25:51.920 --> 25:58.920] the buyer and seller that actually sets the value, not the appraisal, not the [25:58.920 --> 26:00.920] appraiser. [26:00.920 --> 26:07.920] So what you do is you sell your property to somebody else for X number of [26:07.920 --> 26:15.920] dollars, and let's say they default on the loan and you have to resume it [26:15.920 --> 26:20.920] three months, four months, five months down the road, but it was sold, and it [26:20.920 --> 26:26.920] was sold for X number of dollars, and it is, there's no resemblance to the [26:26.920 --> 26:30.920] appraised value that they have you at. [26:30.920 --> 26:39.920] State statutes say that they have to accept the sale price for that year and [26:39.920 --> 26:41.920] the following year. [26:41.920 --> 26:49.920] In other words, the full 12 months because it's going to be over, in a 24-month [26:49.920 --> 26:54.920] period you'll actually be somewhere in there for 12 months. [26:54.920 --> 27:02.920] They have to accept that contracted price as the property value, including the [27:02.920 --> 27:05.920] real estate, which is the building. [27:05.920 --> 27:10.920] Pat, what you're describing happened to me as a matter of fact. [27:10.920 --> 27:15.920] I brought in the settlement statement that you're talking about, you bring it [27:15.920 --> 27:24.920] to the event, and they told me, they said, well, was this an arms length [27:24.920 --> 27:25.920] transaction? [27:25.920 --> 27:29.920] Did you have, was it listed with a realtor? [27:29.920 --> 27:31.920] No, it wasn't listed with a realtor. [27:31.920 --> 27:33.920] Did you know this person? [27:33.920 --> 27:36.920] Yeah, and they said, well, no, we can't accept this. [27:36.920 --> 27:39.920] We can't accept this sale. [27:39.920 --> 27:41.920] They don't have the choice. [27:41.920 --> 27:43.920] State law is on your side. [27:43.920 --> 27:49.920] They have, because I've already done this. [27:49.920 --> 27:51.920] I know this for a fact. [27:51.920 --> 27:53.920] That's why I'm saying this. [27:53.920 --> 27:57.920] You do not have to list anything with a realtor to sell it. [27:57.920 --> 27:59.920] It is property. [27:59.920 --> 28:01.920] It's personal property. [28:01.920 --> 28:07.920] And the person who bought the property from me bought it at X number of dollars, [28:07.920 --> 28:11.920] which was considerably less than what the appraised value was. [28:11.920 --> 28:16.920] And they told him the same thing, that they were not going to accept the [28:16.920 --> 28:19.920] contracted sale price. [28:19.920 --> 28:26.920] And he looked at them real funny and said, okay, I hope you guys have a real [28:26.920 --> 28:28.920] good attorney because we're going to court. [28:28.920 --> 28:31.920] And he's won. [28:31.920 --> 28:35.920] And he's in Comel County. [28:35.920 --> 28:38.920] Okay, the staff is here. [28:38.920 --> 28:43.920] Okay, Mark, do you have anything else for Pat? [28:43.920 --> 28:44.920] No, that's fine. [28:44.920 --> 28:47.920] Thank you all very much. [28:47.920 --> 28:52.920] And I'm definitely going to take Deborah's advice as far as keep your taxes [28:52.920 --> 28:56.920] current in the meantime while you're litigating this, because like I said, [28:56.920 --> 29:02.920] we don't want to do anything that's questionable. [29:02.920 --> 29:10.920] We just want the law to be applied and for it to be applied fairly. [29:10.920 --> 29:16.920] But I agree with you, Deborah, that's my plan of attack. [29:16.920 --> 29:21.920] I'm not going to not pay, but what I am going to do is start the process, [29:21.920 --> 29:27.920] and then if I owe anything before this actually works itself out, [29:27.920 --> 29:28.920] well, then I'll pay it. [29:28.920 --> 29:32.920] But we'll have to see where the chips will fall on this one. [29:32.920 --> 29:35.920] Yeah, and you can always go and sue them after the fact. [29:35.920 --> 29:38.920] Like what I'm talking about where there's no remedy, [29:38.920 --> 29:43.920] there's no administrative remedy for protesting the breakdown between the [29:43.920 --> 29:45.920] building and the land. [29:45.920 --> 29:49.920] And like in the situation that we're in and in the other neighborhoods [29:49.920 --> 29:55.920] surrounding ours, it's almost to the point that it's too late now to get [29:55.920 --> 30:00.920] another appraisal because there's been so much gentrification now, [30:00.920 --> 30:06.920] and there's been so many houses that have been smashed down and new [30:06.920 --> 30:11.920] building structures created that now they have been able to raise the [30:11.920 --> 30:14.920] overall property value of everything around them. [30:14.920 --> 30:16.920] They're already accomplishing their goals, [30:16.920 --> 30:21.920] so now we have to backpedal and sue them for some kind of fraud or [30:21.920 --> 30:25.920] racketeering, which I intend to do because it's total BS what they've [30:25.920 --> 30:29.920] done here in Travis County, and they specifically targeted our [30:29.920 --> 30:34.920] neighborhood and other surrounding neighborhoods with this method of doing [30:34.920 --> 30:38.920] this reversal of the building and land value where there's no way to [30:38.920 --> 30:41.920] protest it and then no one wants to help you do it because they didn't [30:41.920 --> 30:44.920] raise the overall property value in that year, [30:44.920 --> 30:49.920] and then after that year passes, then it's too late to go back and protest [30:49.920 --> 30:52.920] through their administrative procedure, [30:52.920 --> 30:56.920] and I'm very upset about it, and everyone in the neighborhood is upset [30:56.920 --> 30:57.920] about it. [30:57.920 --> 31:02.920] See, they want to drive out all the homeowners, excuse my terminology of [31:02.920 --> 31:06.920] owner, but they want to drive out everyone in this neighborhood and the [31:06.920 --> 31:08.920] surrounding neighborhoods, elderly people, [31:08.920 --> 31:13.920] elderly couples whose children have grown and moved on who don't have [31:13.920 --> 31:17.920] mortgages anymore because they paid them off and the banksters aren't [31:17.920 --> 31:19.920] making any money off of mortgages, [31:19.920 --> 31:25.920] so they want to drive us out by fraudulently inflating the property [31:25.920 --> 31:29.920] value so that we can't afford the taxes anymore so that they can get in [31:29.920 --> 31:35.920] young couples with bigger houses who can afford the taxes, [31:35.920 --> 31:41.920] and not only that, they are trying to get rid of the elementary school in [31:41.920 --> 31:46.920] our neighborhood because the government has to pay for the school, [31:46.920 --> 31:47.920] and they don't like that. [31:47.920 --> 31:51.920] They want to get rid of the elementary school and have to bus all the kids [31:51.920 --> 31:56.920] somewhere else so that they can sell the land to some developers to set up [31:56.920 --> 32:01.920] apartments or condos so they can collect taxes instead of having to pay, [32:01.920 --> 32:02.920] and you know what? [32:02.920 --> 32:06.920] I don't like it, and I ain't going to put up with it. [32:06.920 --> 32:09.920] Well, you can always argue on equal protection of the laws. [32:09.920 --> 32:14.920] Texas has a statute that allows anyone 65 years or older not to pay property [32:14.920 --> 32:20.920] taxes at all, which is age discriminatory against the rest of the population. [32:20.920 --> 32:21.920] Now, don't get me wrong. [32:21.920 --> 32:26.920] I don't think that the age 65ers should be having to pay property taxes, [32:26.920 --> 32:29.920] but then again, I don't think any of us should be paying property taxes. [32:29.920 --> 32:30.920] None of us should. [32:30.920 --> 32:31.920] What's ours? [32:31.920 --> 32:36.920] And the reason I'm bringing all this up is because gentrification is not a [32:36.920 --> 32:37.920] racial issue. [32:37.920 --> 32:40.920] It's a class issue, all right? [32:40.920 --> 32:44.920] They're putting our neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhoods on the [32:44.920 --> 32:49.920] chopping blocks like a steak to divvy up, and they want young couples and [32:49.920 --> 32:54.920] single individuals with roommates moving in that have no kids, that don't [32:54.920 --> 32:57.920] need an elementary school so they can get rid of the school. [32:57.920 --> 33:02.920] I'm very, very upset about it, and now it's getting to the point where it's [33:02.920 --> 33:08.920] too late to protest through their administrative remedy because now they've [33:08.920 --> 33:11.920] knocked down half the neighborhood already, okay? [33:11.920 --> 33:15.920] So we have to go at this from a different angle. [33:15.920 --> 33:17.920] I'm not going to put up with it, man. [33:17.920 --> 33:20.920] I mean, I am just not going to put up with it, all right? [33:20.920 --> 33:22.920] This is my life. [33:22.920 --> 33:23.920] This is me and my husband's life. [33:23.920 --> 33:30.920] We were married here in our backyard, and I ain't leaving. [33:30.920 --> 33:31.920] Go for it. [33:31.920 --> 33:33.920] Okay, Mark, do you have anything else? [33:33.920 --> 33:36.920] No, that's fine. [33:36.920 --> 33:38.920] Good for you, definitely. [33:38.920 --> 33:40.920] But thank you all very much for your time. [33:40.920 --> 33:41.920] Pat, I appreciate that. [33:41.920 --> 33:46.920] Deborah, I guess I'll e-mail you to see if I can get Randy. [33:46.920 --> 33:52.920] Give me that e-mail, and I will answer it as fast as I get it, sir. [33:52.920 --> 33:53.920] Oh, I appreciate that. [33:53.920 --> 33:54.920] Thank you all very much. [33:54.920 --> 33:55.920] Okay, all right. [33:55.920 --> 33:56.920] Take care. [33:56.920 --> 33:57.920] Bye-bye. [33:57.920 --> 33:58.920] Have a good night. [33:58.920 --> 33:59.920] All right, we've got one more caller. [33:59.920 --> 34:02.920] We're going to Carl in Texas. [34:02.920 --> 34:03.920] Hey, everyone. [34:03.920 --> 34:05.920] Hey, Carl, what's on your mind? [34:05.920 --> 34:10.920] Pat, I'm getting ready to buy a piece of property in Oklahoma. [34:10.920 --> 34:11.920] Okay. [34:11.920 --> 34:14.920] And the question is coming up right now, do I want to have a survey? [34:14.920 --> 34:17.920] I think they have meets and bounds already. [34:17.920 --> 34:18.920] Yeah. [34:18.920 --> 34:22.920] But do I have to have a platted survey to do this? [34:22.920 --> 34:25.920] All right, there's already a plat. [34:25.920 --> 34:34.920] If you go to the county, they have a plat already laid out that's in sections and blocks and meets and bounds. [34:34.920 --> 34:43.920] Now, when you buy the property, make sure you get a survey of that piece of property though. [34:43.920 --> 34:44.920] Always do that. [34:44.920 --> 34:50.920] Make sure that all the stakes are in the right place and everything else in case you have easements, [34:50.920 --> 34:56.920] in case you have other problems, flood zones, whatever. [34:56.920 --> 35:05.920] And the survey pays for itself in the long run, no matter what you do with your property. [35:05.920 --> 35:12.920] And it will help you deciding where you're going to put your house or building or whatever else. [35:12.920 --> 35:22.920] And in some states, they actually run the survey for the property out to the middle of the road. [35:22.920 --> 35:31.920] And then they take an easement back for half the road back off each piece of property on each side [35:31.920 --> 35:37.920] rather than doing a separate survey and transfer of ownership and a bunch of other stuff. [35:37.920 --> 35:42.920] That's how it is in three states that I know of. [35:42.920 --> 35:51.920] So I don't know how it is in Oklahoma, but they may have the street laid out separately. [35:51.920 --> 35:53.920] They may have an easement there. [35:53.920 --> 35:56.920] They may have a drainage easement. [35:56.920 --> 36:00.920] You may have a pipeline or a power easement. [36:00.920 --> 36:07.920] And if you don't have a survey that shows that and who owns that easement, [36:07.920 --> 36:18.920] and then get a copy of that contract of that easement, because that could be dollars in your pocket. [36:18.920 --> 36:19.920] Sure, good. [36:19.920 --> 36:23.920] And like you say, I know that you're more familiar with Texas here, [36:23.920 --> 36:29.920] but if that is a piece of BLM property, because this is a very rural property I'm buying. [36:29.920 --> 36:35.920] Yeah, BLM still has it in all the states, anywhere outside of Texas. [36:35.920 --> 36:36.920] Okay. [36:36.920 --> 36:43.920] And the process just goes through Team USA, and the process will be pretty much the same. [36:43.920 --> 36:44.920] Yeah. [36:44.920 --> 36:45.920] Teamlaw.org. [36:45.920 --> 36:48.920] Oh, Teamlaw.org. [36:48.920 --> 36:50.920] Please use Teamlaw. [36:50.920 --> 36:55.920] Mr. Madsen out there is a very good individual. [36:55.920 --> 37:01.920] I've never met him eyeball to eyeball, but talked to him a number of times on the phone. [37:01.920 --> 37:03.920] They know what they're doing. [37:03.920 --> 37:05.920] They'll steer you straight. [37:05.920 --> 37:09.920] And if there's any questions about any of the paperwork, they'll let you know. [37:09.920 --> 37:11.920] Very good. [37:11.920 --> 37:18.920] Well, I'll be sure to listen to this archive again. It has a lot of stuff in it. [37:18.920 --> 37:19.920] Thank you, Tom. [37:19.920 --> 37:20.920] Anything else? [37:20.920 --> 37:23.920] That's it. I appreciate it, guys. [37:23.920 --> 37:24.920] All right. [37:24.920 --> 37:25.920] You have a good night. [37:25.920 --> 37:26.920] Thank you, Tom. [37:26.920 --> 37:27.920] Thanks. [37:27.920 --> 37:28.920] All right. [37:28.920 --> 37:37.920] And I will be doing everything I can to chase down specific procedure on how to get court [37:37.920 --> 37:44.920] order from the district court declaring your property, private property, and ordering the [37:44.920 --> 37:51.920] appraisal district to take properties off the tax roll because that may be what it's [37:51.920 --> 38:00.920] going to come down to even if we go through this process that Pat is discussing and people [38:00.920 --> 38:06.920] who go through the process that Teamlaw, the service that Teamlaw provides. [38:06.920 --> 38:09.920] Yeah. [38:09.920 --> 38:10.920] Okay. [38:10.920 --> 38:11.920] Any other comments? [38:11.920 --> 38:14.920] Randy, Eddie, Pat? [38:14.920 --> 38:15.920] Nope. [38:15.920 --> 38:16.920] I'm good. [38:16.920 --> 38:18.920] No? [38:18.920 --> 38:25.920] I'd asked Randy earlier and Eddie if they knew of anybody that had knowledge of somebody [38:25.920 --> 38:33.920] with a Henry lever action rifle caliber.357 if they wanted to trade for something else. [38:33.920 --> 38:41.920] I've got a little sidearm here I'd love to trade for, but if they do, just send you an [38:41.920 --> 38:44.920] email and forward it to me. [38:44.920 --> 38:49.920] I'm trying to give somebody a Christmas present. [38:49.920 --> 38:54.920] He's just hoping she don't use it on him. [38:54.920 --> 38:55.920] Oh, come on. [38:55.920 --> 38:57.920] I sleep next to her. [38:57.920 --> 39:00.920] I trust her. [39:00.920 --> 39:05.920] There's only so many people on this planet I trust that much. [39:05.920 --> 39:08.920] I'll help you out there. [39:08.920 --> 39:13.920] A Henry repeating rifle, that's 10 years worth of Christmas presents right there. [39:13.920 --> 39:16.920] There you go. [39:16.920 --> 39:20.920] If anybody's got one that they're willing to trade, let us know. [39:20.920 --> 39:23.920] We'll certainly get the email to Pat. [39:23.920 --> 39:31.920] Absolutely, and I've been continually getting Skype chats from people who are inquiring [39:31.920 --> 39:38.920] if we could pay you to come up and teach a class on this. [39:38.920 --> 39:44.920] I could come up to Austin and teach a class on it, but like I said last night, it won't [39:44.920 --> 39:46.920] happen before Thanksgiving. [39:46.920 --> 39:49.920] Won't happen before Thanksgiving, and people are going to have to do a certain amount of [39:49.920 --> 39:52.920] homework before you would come up. [39:52.920 --> 40:00.920] We would have to make sure that they add their deeds, because that's going to be something [40:00.920 --> 40:06.920] that we're going to talk through is what they have to look at, the legal description on [40:06.920 --> 40:08.920] each one of their deeds. [40:08.920 --> 40:14.920] It means a great deal. [40:14.920 --> 40:20.920] We'd have to have a computer connection so we could get into the archives, and we'll [40:20.920 --> 40:22.920] call up the different patents. [40:22.920 --> 40:25.920] It's real simple at that point. [40:25.920 --> 40:31.920] Okay, so folks, if y'all want Pat to come up and teach a class, please send us an email, [40:31.920 --> 40:34.920] and there's a certain amount of homework we'd have to do before he comes up. [40:34.920 --> 40:38.920] People would have to get their deed, a certified copy of their deeds. [40:38.920 --> 40:43.920] Now, is this warranty deed or deed of trust, or exactly what would this be? [40:43.920 --> 40:46.920] Whatever deed they have. [40:46.920 --> 40:48.920] You'd be surprised. [40:48.920 --> 40:50.920] Some people have special deeds. [40:50.920 --> 40:52.920] Some people have warranty deeds. [40:52.920 --> 40:56.920] Some people have deeds of trust. [40:56.920 --> 41:01.920] In our case, it was strictly a deed. [41:01.920 --> 41:04.920] So there's all kinds of deeds. [41:04.920 --> 41:08.920] They're all the same, basically. [41:08.920 --> 41:13.920] It's not a whole lot of difference in the way they're worded, just how they're titled. [41:13.920 --> 41:19.920] Okay, so they'd need certified copy of their deeds, and also they would need to get [41:19.920 --> 41:26.920] certified copy of the survey of their lands, of their property. [41:26.920 --> 41:32.920] And then they could find that normally in their last mortgage paperwork, their last [41:32.920 --> 41:41.920] mortgage packet, if it was done at the same time that they financed the property. [41:41.920 --> 41:47.920] And then also to get certified copies of the land patent associated with their property. [41:47.920 --> 41:54.920] Well, yeah, I'll show them how to do that and get that in that class so that they can [41:54.920 --> 41:57.920] properly go about getting everything together. [41:57.920 --> 41:58.920] Okay, wonderful. [41:58.920 --> 42:04.920] So folks out there, and we'll promote this on the air on Monday for those who are not [42:04.920 --> 42:07.920] listening right now who don't happen to hear this archive. [42:07.920 --> 42:08.920] Send us an email. [42:08.920 --> 42:09.920] Send Randy and I an email. [42:09.920 --> 42:14.920] If you're interested in this class, and we'll put together a class for you to come [42:14.920 --> 42:15.920] and teach at Brave New Books. [42:15.920 --> 42:19.920] They have internet, high-speed internet connections, so that we can get this going on, [42:19.920 --> 42:25.920] because we need to take back control of what rightfully belongs to us. [42:25.920 --> 42:29.920] Well, everyone, we've been fun. [42:29.920 --> 42:30.920] Thank you. [42:30.920 --> 42:31.920] Randy. [42:31.920 --> 42:32.920] Thanks, Pat. [42:32.920 --> 42:33.920] Thanks for hanging out with us. [42:33.920 --> 42:34.920] Thank you, Pat. [42:34.920 --> 42:35.920] Yeah. [42:35.920 --> 42:36.920] And thank you, Eddie. [42:36.920 --> 42:37.920] Eddie. [42:37.920 --> 42:38.920] Yep. [42:38.920 --> 42:39.920] Have a good night. [42:39.920 --> 42:40.920] Okay. [42:40.920 --> 42:43.920] And I'll listen to the other shows as they come up. [42:43.920 --> 42:44.920] Okay. [42:44.920 --> 42:45.920] We'll be back Monday night. [42:45.920 --> 42:46.920] Thank you, folks. [42:46.920 --> 42:47.920] Bye-bye. [42:47.920 --> 43:09.920] Bye-bye. [43:18.920 --> 43:25.920] And each month makes his life a story. [43:25.920 --> 43:31.920] Coming back all those seven songs. [43:31.920 --> 43:39.920] I say, oh, people like you and me will be deserts for eternity. [43:39.920 --> 43:42.920] Each is given a path of truth. [43:42.920 --> 43:48.920] The shape is mad and of a code. [44:12.920 --> 44:39.920] Look when the rain is falling from the sky. [44:39.920 --> 45:06.920] I say, oh, people like you and me will be deserts for eternity. [45:06.920 --> 45:13.920] Each is given a path of truth. [45:13.920 --> 45:18.920] The shape is mad and of a code.