[00:00.000 --> 00:10.760]  Israeli President Shimon Peres condemned the UN's Goldstone Report Wednesday for spreading
[00:10.760 --> 00:11.760]  lies.
[00:11.760 --> 00:17.680]  The report details war crimes committed by Israel and Hamas during the invasion of Gaza.
[00:17.680 --> 00:23.400]  America's ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, vowed the U.S. would stand by Israel and fight
[00:23.400 --> 00:26.600]  the report in the UN Security Council.
[00:26.600 --> 00:32.400]  Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens told Congress Wednesday U.S. energy companies are entitled
[00:32.400 --> 00:37.560]  to Iraq's crude oil because of a large number of American troops who lost their lives fighting
[00:37.560 --> 00:42.080]  in Iraq and the U.S. taxpayer money spent there.
[00:42.080 --> 00:47.800]  Congress passed legislation Tuesday allowing the Pentagon to exempt torture photos of U.S.
[00:47.800 --> 00:54.200]  detainees overseas from public access under Freedom of Information Act requests.
[00:54.200 --> 00:59.480]  Congress enabled Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to suppress photos of prisoner abuse
[00:59.480 --> 01:07.280]  which could result in U.S. citizens, troops or employees being endangered.
[01:07.280 --> 01:12.240]  Israel has made no comment in the case of Stuart Nozet, a U.S. scientist arrested and
[01:12.240 --> 01:17.600]  accused of passing classified information to agents he believed were working for Mossad,
[01:17.600 --> 01:18.920]  Israel's spy agency.
[01:18.920 --> 01:22.840]  The agents were actually working a sting for the U.S. government.
[01:22.840 --> 01:27.920]  Nozet was arrested Monday after telling FBI agents he had been answering to a front company
[01:27.920 --> 01:30.200]  owned by the Israeli government.
[01:30.200 --> 01:35.840]  That company has been identified by Israeli media as Israel Aircraft Industries, the country's
[01:35.840 --> 01:38.800]  largest aerospace and defense company.
[01:38.800 --> 01:45.000]  Nozet has been accused of working as a technical consultant for IAI, giving classified information
[01:45.000 --> 01:49.680]  over a period of 10 years for a fee of $200,000.
[01:49.680 --> 01:56.000]  Nozet worked for NASA and the Department of Energy where he held top-secret security clearances.
[01:56.000 --> 02:00.120]  Israeli officials said there was no reason to comment because Nozet had not been accused
[02:00.120 --> 02:04.600]  of spying for Israel.
[02:04.600 --> 02:09.360]  One of Britain's leading financial figures said Tuesday inequality created by bankers'
[02:09.360 --> 02:14.600]  huge salaries is a price worth paying for greater prosperity.
[02:14.600 --> 02:20.160]  Lord Griffith, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International, said banks should not be ashamed
[02:20.160 --> 02:21.800]  of rewarding their staff.
[02:21.800 --> 02:26.760]  Griffith said the British public should tolerate the inequality as a way to achieve greater
[02:26.760 --> 02:28.880]  prosperity for all.
[02:28.880 --> 02:33.960]  With public anger mounting at the forecast of huge bonuses for bankers, only a year after
[02:33.960 --> 02:38.480]  the industry was rescued by the taxpayer, Griffith said, if we said we're not going
[02:38.480 --> 02:44.280]  to have the same bonuses as last year, I think you'd find that lots of city firms would easily
[02:44.280 --> 02:48.760]  hive off their operations to Switzerland or the Far East.
[02:48.760 --> 02:54.240]  Goldman Sachs is currently on track to pay the biggest ever bonuses after raking in profits
[02:54.240 --> 03:17.520]  at the rate of $35 million a day.
[04:24.240 --> 04:53.560]  All right, bad boys, bad boys.
[04:53.560 --> 05:01.400]  Police are not giving you no break, and we're not giving them no break either.
[05:01.400 --> 05:06.760]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[05:06.760 --> 05:10.200]  Tonight we have a couple of guests, Harlan from Brave New Books is going to be coming
[05:10.200 --> 05:12.960]  on in just one moment.
[05:12.960 --> 05:14.280]  He's calling in as we speak.
[05:14.280 --> 05:19.480]  We also have Mark Adams who'll be calling in, and we'll be talking with some issues
[05:19.480 --> 05:21.120]  that Mark wanted to bring up.
[05:21.120 --> 05:29.400]  But first, just wanted to send out a reminder to all, we are doing our seminar this weekend,
[05:29.400 --> 05:32.160]  this weekend, October 24th and 25th.
[05:32.160 --> 05:33.160]  And there's Harlan.
[05:33.160 --> 05:34.160]  Hey, Harlan, thanks for calling in.
[05:34.160 --> 05:35.160]  Hey, Deborah.
[05:35.160 --> 05:38.160]  Glad to be back with you, Randy.
[05:38.160 --> 05:39.640]  Yes, yes.
[05:39.640 --> 05:42.160]  So we are having our seminar this weekend.
[05:42.160 --> 05:49.160]  It's 11 to 8 p.m., 11 a.m. to 8 p.m., this is all day Saturday and Sunday.
[05:49.160 --> 05:56.360]  And we will be going over the traffic code and remedies for traffic tickets and, you
[05:56.360 --> 06:01.920]  know, other such means, what kind of causes of action there are for lawsuits that we can
[06:01.920 --> 06:08.080]  file and criminal complaints and how to adjudicate your traffic ticket and all that sort of thing.
[06:08.080 --> 06:13.800]  So Harlan, why don't you give us a little information about your bookstore for people
[06:13.800 --> 06:18.000]  who may not know about Brave New Books yet, and just let us know what kind of services
[06:18.000 --> 06:21.280]  y'all offer and that sort of thing.
[06:21.280 --> 06:22.280]  Sure.
[06:22.280 --> 06:29.040]  Well, we're basically an independent bookstore located in downtown Austin, a block away from
[06:29.040 --> 06:30.560]  the university.
[06:30.560 --> 06:36.120]  We try to offer a wide variety of materials that you may have not seen in other bookstores
[06:36.120 --> 06:39.880]  because a lot of these books and videos have been suppressed.
[06:39.880 --> 06:46.520]  So we try to offer a channel for these types of materials to get out.
[06:46.520 --> 06:51.280]  And this is something I know close to your heart with the legal system and trying to
[06:51.280 --> 06:57.080]  expose some of the information that people aren't aware of.
[06:57.080 --> 07:04.320]  And we have books on law and books on politics and books on health and books on history.
[07:04.320 --> 07:11.720]  And we also have a large space dedicated for meetings and screenings and classes.
[07:11.720 --> 07:16.360]  So it's going to be a perfect marriage to have you guys here doing the seminar.
[07:16.360 --> 07:18.600]  So we're really looking forward to it.
[07:18.600 --> 07:21.000]  And you've generated quite a buzz.
[07:21.000 --> 07:25.840]  I'm getting calls from all over the country of people driving in and looking for hotels.
[07:25.840 --> 07:29.880]  And there's a lot of people that are really looking forward to being here.
[07:29.880 --> 07:36.160]  So it's great to have the bookstore get some exposure to people that may have not otherwise
[07:36.160 --> 07:39.320]  been aware that we exist at all.
[07:39.320 --> 07:41.560]  So this is really going to be fun for everybody.
[07:41.560 --> 07:47.800]  And I encourage everybody to come down if you can and register for the class.
[07:47.800 --> 07:52.880]  And if you can't, I think Deborah mentioned something about the class being available
[07:52.880 --> 07:55.680]  on video later after the seminar.
[07:55.680 --> 08:01.160]  So that's something everyone needs to keep in mind.
[08:01.160 --> 08:06.280]  And it's just great that solutions are being offered, because a lot of times people highlight
[08:06.280 --> 08:09.560]  the problems without offering any solutions.
[08:09.560 --> 08:16.080]  And standing up to these guys in the courtroom is definitely a solution that we can all get
[08:16.080 --> 08:17.080]  behind.
[08:17.080 --> 08:18.080]  Absolutely.
[08:18.080 --> 08:19.080]  Absolutely.
[08:19.080 --> 08:20.760]  And yes, there are other classes there.
[08:20.760 --> 08:25.240]  There's a jurisdictionary meeting every Tuesday night at the bookstore.
[08:25.240 --> 08:30.920]  And so yeah, I just wanted to say thank you, Harlan, for hosting all these meetings, because
[08:30.920 --> 08:34.200]  you don't charge these people for these meetings.
[08:34.200 --> 08:39.200]  And it's a great facility for people to be able to go and have these meetings and to
[08:39.200 --> 08:41.960]  be able to browse the bookstore and all these sorts of things.
[08:41.960 --> 08:45.520]  So I encourage everyone out there listening to go to Brave New Books.
[08:45.520 --> 08:51.160]  And if you're not in Austin, go to bravenewbookstore.com, where you can order the books.
[08:51.160 --> 08:57.280]  And Harlan, for people who say want a book that you may not have and say it's just something
[08:57.280 --> 09:06.480]  like for recipes or something totally unrelated, not necessarily truth or activists or conspiracy
[09:06.480 --> 09:07.480]  oriented.
[09:07.480 --> 09:09.240]  You don't have to order any books for anyone.
[09:09.240 --> 09:10.240]  Is that correct?
[09:10.240 --> 09:11.240]  Absolutely.
[09:11.240 --> 09:15.240]  I have the same ability as Barnes and Nobles or Borders or any of those guys to order books.
[09:15.240 --> 09:21.760]  So please, yeah, if it's just something you're looking for for Christmas for your family
[09:21.760 --> 09:26.400]  members that isn't necessarily controversial that we would stock on ourselves, I would
[09:26.400 --> 09:27.760]  be happy to order it for you.
[09:27.760 --> 09:29.560]  And you help support a local business.
[09:29.560 --> 09:33.280]  And those other guys don't care about a lot of this stuff.
[09:33.280 --> 09:35.280]  So you might as well support us.
[09:35.280 --> 09:41.480]  And so I'd be more than happy to order whatever books you need.
[09:41.480 --> 09:46.560]  And we're trying to grow our selection, and we're trying to get more stuff in here.
[09:46.560 --> 09:51.560]  But yeah, anybody that has any recommendations or suggestions, we love hearing those.
[09:51.560 --> 09:58.040]  And that's how a lot of our inventory grows is from people's recommendations that have
[09:58.040 --> 10:01.040]  been studying these topics for a long time.
[10:01.040 --> 10:03.600]  Just because I'm a bookstore owner doesn't mean I've read every book.
[10:03.600 --> 10:10.760]  So I need a lot of help when it comes to understanding all the nuances of all of these things.
[10:10.760 --> 10:18.880]  So we encourage people to recommend stuff and to give us suggestions.
[10:18.880 --> 10:24.160]  Even if you're in Austin and you want to go to the bookstore website, bravenewbookstore.com,
[10:24.160 --> 10:28.760]  you can click on events at the top of the page, and it will bring up a calendar with
[10:28.760 --> 10:32.040]  all the different kinds of events going on here at the bookstore.
[10:32.040 --> 10:38.040]  You can look at the classes and some of the screenings and some of the lectures that we
[10:38.040 --> 10:39.040]  have going on here.
[10:39.040 --> 10:41.640]  So that's one thing to keep in mind as well.
[10:41.640 --> 10:43.040]  Yes, absolutely.
[10:43.040 --> 10:45.240]  And you have coffee there too, right, Harlan?
[10:45.240 --> 10:46.840]  And we have coffee and water.
[10:46.840 --> 10:48.880]  We have coffee and water.
[10:48.880 --> 10:51.640]  We'll give you fluoride-free Berkey water.
[10:51.640 --> 10:52.640]  There you go.
[10:52.640 --> 10:57.400]  And if you've ever heard those commercials and you wanted to taste what Berkey water
[10:57.400 --> 10:59.600]  tastes like, come on down the bookstore.
[10:59.600 --> 11:00.600]  Yeah.
[11:00.600 --> 11:02.040]  There are tables and chairs in the back.
[11:02.040 --> 11:06.760]  Now this weekend you won't be able to go in the back room unless you are participating
[11:06.760 --> 11:07.760]  in the seminar.
[11:07.760 --> 11:11.040]  But normally there are some tables and chairs set up back there where you can sit down and
[11:11.040 --> 11:12.240]  read and have a cup of coffee.
[11:12.240 --> 11:13.240]  And you've got Wi-Fi.
[11:13.240 --> 11:14.240]  Is that all?
[11:14.240 --> 11:15.240]  Is that right?
[11:15.240 --> 11:16.240]  Sure, yeah.
[11:16.240 --> 11:18.400]  We have Wi-Fi for anybody to use.
[11:18.400 --> 11:19.840]  And yeah, you don't have to buy a book.
[11:19.840 --> 11:21.480]  You can just come and read a book if you want to.
[11:21.480 --> 11:22.480]  There you go.
[11:22.480 --> 11:23.880]  So folks, go down to Brave New Bookstore.
[11:23.880 --> 11:25.200]  You can set up your laptop.
[11:25.200 --> 11:28.560]  There's free Wi-Fi as opposed to some coffee houses.
[11:28.560 --> 11:33.800]  You can get a free cup of coffee too, check out the bookstore, and you can order any book
[11:33.800 --> 11:34.800]  that you would like.
[11:34.800 --> 11:40.680]  So instead of going to Amazon.com or instead of going to Barnes and Noble or Book People,
[11:40.680 --> 11:46.900]  I mean, I don't want to denigrate any of these other businesses, but we need to support Brave
[11:46.900 --> 11:47.900]  New Books.
[11:47.900 --> 11:50.800]  And so any book that you like, please order from Brave New Books.
[11:50.800 --> 11:56.560]  If you're not in Austin, you can go to BraveNewBookstore.com and order online there.
[11:56.560 --> 11:59.640]  You may have to call the bookstore if it's something that they don't have in stock, but
[11:59.640 --> 12:03.800]  definitely give them a call so that you can get whatever book you like for gifts, for
[12:03.800 --> 12:06.200]  friends, for Christmas, for your family.
[12:06.200 --> 12:10.440]  Go down there, check it out, have a free cup of coffee, hang out, get online and browse
[12:10.440 --> 12:16.160]  and meet some of the wonderful people that frequent Brave New Books in Austin.
[12:16.160 --> 12:21.400]  We also like to make copies of DVDs, so if you've ever felt like handing out a bunch
[12:21.400 --> 12:26.400]  of Truth DVDs to your neighbors and friends, we have really good prices on duplicating
[12:26.400 --> 12:28.840]  those for you and providing the DVDs for you.
[12:28.840 --> 12:31.880]  That's something that we're trying to do just to spread the word.
[12:31.880 --> 12:36.000]  So a lot of people are looking to do that in the holiday season, you know, when their
[12:36.000 --> 12:39.360]  families are in town, is giving them all DVDs.
[12:39.360 --> 12:43.240]  So that's something that we also provide here is a duplication process.
[12:43.240 --> 12:49.160]  So there's lots of unique things here at the bookstore to participate in if you're feeling
[12:49.160 --> 12:50.160]  so inclined.
[12:50.160 --> 12:53.680]  We have We Are Change meetings here every Saturday if you want to get active and start
[12:53.680 --> 13:00.080]  doing stuff out on the streets, we have We Are Change meets here every Saturday at 1130.
[13:00.080 --> 13:08.240]  So this is a unique place that needs the community support and we have a great community here
[13:08.240 --> 13:12.280]  that supports us and we're very, very grateful and thankful to all the people that have supported
[13:12.280 --> 13:16.360]  us for the past three and a half years and hopefully we can grow that community and get
[13:16.360 --> 13:17.360]  more people down here.
[13:17.360 --> 13:22.360]  Absolutely, and it's one of the only places that I know of in town where you can go and
[13:22.360 --> 13:25.480]  you're definitely going to meet like-minded people, you know.
[13:25.480 --> 13:26.560]  Oh, absolutely.
[13:26.560 --> 13:30.880]  It's kind of the hub, the center, so to speak, of the activist community here in Austin.
[13:30.880 --> 13:34.280]  And so, I mean, I just don't, honestly, I just don't know what we do without Brave New
[13:34.280 --> 13:39.800]  Books because there's nowhere else that I know that folks can go where you know you're
[13:39.800 --> 13:43.120]  going to be around like-minded people for sure.
[13:43.120 --> 13:44.120]  That's right.
[13:44.120 --> 13:49.960]  And if you want to help keep Austin weird.
[13:49.960 --> 13:50.960]  That's right.
[13:50.960 --> 13:53.960]  Marlon is the guy to see.
[13:53.960 --> 13:54.960]  That's right.
[13:54.960 --> 14:01.840]  I'm not an expert in law like you, Randy, but I'm an expert at being weird, so.
[14:01.840 --> 14:09.800]  I always like to find off-brand bookstores, you know, privately-owned bookstores because
[14:09.800 --> 14:17.240]  you tend to find interesting titles in there, and I could get lost in Brave New Books with
[14:17.240 --> 14:18.240]  all the titles.
[14:18.240 --> 14:21.860]  And they have CDs, too, Three Shoes Posse CDs.
[14:21.860 --> 14:28.160]  We have Three Shoes Posse CDs, and we have audio books and lots of videos, and you know,
[14:28.160 --> 14:34.720]  it's really sad that Austin has lost a lot of, you know, bookstores that are more niche,
[14:34.720 --> 14:38.160]  and when I was growing up, there was more of those, and we're trying to bring that back
[14:38.160 --> 14:43.720]  a little bit and have that place for people to discover new titles that they may have
[14:43.720 --> 14:45.360]  not ever been exposed to, so.
[14:45.360 --> 14:46.360]  Yeah, you're right.
[14:46.360 --> 14:49.800]  Those are the funnest bookstores, the ones that are a little off-brand, so.
[14:49.800 --> 14:54.560]  Well, yeah, when you walk in there, folks, I'll tell you, you just feel like you're home,
[14:54.560 --> 14:55.560]  you know.
[14:55.560 --> 15:00.960]  It's like, you know you're going to meet people that think the same way you do, and it's just
[15:00.960 --> 15:05.720]  such a comfortable atmosphere and environment, and we really appreciate you running the bookstore
[15:05.720 --> 15:10.560]  and, you know, setting it up down there, Harlan, it's just a wonderful thing, and I know that
[15:10.560 --> 15:11.560]  you're going to be busy.
[15:11.560 --> 15:15.560]  It's kind of a one-man show down there, I realize, just kind of like around here with
[15:15.560 --> 15:16.560]  the network.
[15:16.560 --> 15:17.560]  I'm running all the shows.
[15:17.560 --> 15:23.360]  You're running the bookstore all by yourself, pretty much, and so I know you won't really
[15:23.360 --> 15:28.480]  be able to participate in the seminar, so we'll be giving you a copy of the video and
[15:28.480 --> 15:30.320]  all the seminar materials, as well.
[15:30.320 --> 15:31.320]  Oh, that's awesome.
[15:31.320 --> 15:32.320]  Yeah.
[15:32.320 --> 15:33.320]  Of course.
[15:33.320 --> 15:34.800]  I'm really looking forward to that.
[15:34.800 --> 15:35.800]  That'll be great.
[15:35.800 --> 15:38.960]  Well, people need to know, you know, how to deal with traffic tickets, you know, it's
[15:38.960 --> 15:39.960]  good learning methods.
[15:39.960 --> 15:47.160]  Oh, absolutely, and I think it's an empowering experience, too, for people, you know.
[15:47.160 --> 15:53.720]  This is their chance to really stand up and fight back and use the law on their side,
[15:53.720 --> 15:58.360]  and usually, you know, the law is perverted in such a way that it's always used against
[15:58.360 --> 16:03.160]  them, so to use it in your favor can be a real powerful experience, so.
[16:03.160 --> 16:07.400]  Absolutely, and the more you study about the law, I mean, what I've found, the law really
[16:07.400 --> 16:10.320]  is pretty much always on our side.
[16:10.320 --> 16:15.840]  It's just that, like you said, Harlan, they pervert it, and they twist around the language,
[16:15.840 --> 16:20.920]  and people don't know the law, and so they get screwed, basically, but really, if you...
[16:20.920 --> 16:24.200]  And I know there's a lot of bad laws out there, prohibition and stuff like that, but for the
[16:24.200 --> 16:29.360]  most part, the law really is pretty good, and it's on our side, so that's what we teach
[16:29.360 --> 16:30.720]  people to use, so.
[16:30.720 --> 16:33.680]  Yes, and those guys think they know perverted.
[16:33.680 --> 16:34.680]  We're going to show them.
[16:34.680 --> 16:35.680]  Oh, God.
[16:35.680 --> 16:36.680]  I don't want to know, Randy.
[16:36.680 --> 16:37.680]  There you go.
[16:37.680 --> 16:38.680]  Okay.
[16:38.680 --> 16:39.680]  Well, Harlan, thank you.
[16:39.680 --> 16:41.160]  I know you're busy down at the bookstore.
[16:41.160 --> 16:43.800]  Thank you for giving us some of your time, and we will see you...
[16:43.800 --> 16:44.800]  We'll see you tomorrow night.
[16:44.800 --> 16:47.160]  Oh, thank you for having me, Deborah.
[16:47.160 --> 16:48.160]  I look forward to it.
[16:48.160 --> 16:49.160]  I'll see you guys Saturday.
[16:49.160 --> 16:50.160]  Okay.
[16:50.160 --> 16:51.160]  All right.
[16:51.160 --> 16:52.160]  Okay.
[16:52.160 --> 16:53.160]  And we will be...
[16:53.160 --> 16:54.160]  Thank you, Harlan.
[16:54.160 --> 16:55.160]  Okay.
[16:55.160 --> 17:00.360]  We'll be right back with our next guest, Mark Adams.
[17:00.360 --> 17:03.800]  You feel tired when talking about important topics like money and politics?
[17:03.800 --> 17:04.800]  Sorry.
[17:04.800 --> 17:07.760]  Are you confused by words like the Constitution or the Federal Reserve?
[17:07.760 --> 17:08.760]  What?
[17:08.760 --> 17:12.600]  If so, you may be diagnosed with the deadliest disease known today, stupidity.
[17:12.600 --> 17:18.080]  Hi, my name is Steve Holt, and like millions of other Americans, I was diagnosed with stupidity
[17:18.080 --> 17:19.280]  at an early age.
[17:19.280 --> 17:23.280]  I had no idea that the number one cause of the disease is found in almost every home
[17:23.280 --> 17:25.280]  in America, the television.
[17:25.280 --> 17:30.320]  Unfortunately, that puts most Americans at risk of catching stupidity, but there is hope.
[17:30.320 --> 17:34.160]  The staff at Brave New Books have helped me and thousands of other poxaholics suffering
[17:34.160 --> 17:39.080]  from sports zombieism recover, and because of Brave New Books, I now enjoy reading and
[17:39.080 --> 17:43.960]  watching educational documentaries without feeling tired or uninterested, so if you or
[17:43.960 --> 17:51.200]  anybody you know suffers from stupidity, then you need to call 512-480-2503 or visit them
[17:51.200 --> 17:54.800]  in 1904 Guadalupe or bravenewbookstore.com.
[17:54.800 --> 17:58.200]  Side effects from using Brave New Books products may include discernment and enlarged vocabulary
[17:58.200 --> 18:00.600]  and an overall increase in mental functioning.
[18:28.200 --> 18:48.120]  Well, not if we have something to do about it, and Mark Adams as well, and just a reminder
[18:48.120 --> 18:52.800]  for folks, we're going to be interviewing Mark for a while, but then during the second
[18:52.800 --> 18:57.840]  hour, we'll be taking your calls, and folks, if you want to call in this week, you got
[18:57.840 --> 19:01.680]  to do it tonight, because tomorrow we're running an archive, because we have to set up for
[19:01.680 --> 19:05.560]  the seminar this weekend, so we're going to be running an archive tomorrow night.
[19:05.560 --> 19:09.600]  If you have questions, you need to call in tonight, but first, we've got Mark Adams
[19:09.600 --> 19:15.440]  with us, long time no hear from, that is, and he's going to be talking about some corruption
[19:15.440 --> 19:20.760]  in the Florida courts involving child support and what he's going to do about it and what
[19:20.760 --> 19:22.240]  people are doing about it down there.
[19:22.240 --> 19:23.720]  Mark, thanks for joining us tonight.
[19:23.720 --> 19:26.200]  Hey, it's my pleasure, Deborah.
[19:26.200 --> 19:28.440]  Good to hear from you, hadn't thought you for quite a while.
[19:28.440 --> 19:29.440]  Yeah, I know.
[19:29.440 --> 19:30.440]  It's been a couple months.
[19:30.440 --> 19:31.440]  Yeah.
[19:31.440 --> 19:32.440]  All right.
[19:32.440 --> 19:35.440]  So, tell us what's... You wrote an article...
[19:35.440 --> 19:39.840]  Yeah, just a little brief article about what's going on.
[19:39.840 --> 19:40.840]  Okay.
[19:40.840 --> 19:42.640]  Tell people where they can read that.
[19:42.640 --> 19:50.480]  Well, they can go to the DailyCensor.com, and it's on the front page right now.
[19:50.480 --> 19:51.480]  Excellent.
[19:51.480 --> 19:52.480]  DailyCensor.com.
[19:52.480 --> 20:01.480]  Yeah, DailyCensor.com, and I mean, basically what's going on in Florida is going on all
[20:01.480 --> 20:07.440]  across the nation, because as you and Randy well know and talk about all the time, our
[20:07.440 --> 20:14.000]  ability to hold these people in government accountable for their actions has been stolen
[20:14.000 --> 20:21.160]  from us, and of course, Texas is the best chance for anybody to walk into a grand jury
[20:21.160 --> 20:26.360]  and present evidence of criminal conduct, but that's a right that we should all have.
[20:26.360 --> 20:33.360]  I mean, it's a right that everyone had until they began taking it away, and they did it
[20:33.360 --> 20:39.120]  with the federal rules of criminal procedure for federal grand juries right at the end
[20:39.120 --> 20:40.120]  of World War II.
[20:40.120 --> 20:48.120]  So, while our grandparents were over there fighting the fascists, the fascists were busy
[20:48.120 --> 20:56.720]  putting in a fascist dictatorship under cover of darkness here in America, because I mean,
[20:56.720 --> 20:58.360]  people don't think about it too often.
[20:58.360 --> 21:05.680]  They get this picture from TV, and I love the Brave New Bookstore's advertisement there
[21:05.680 --> 21:09.160]  about TV and TV being part of the problem.
[21:09.160 --> 21:15.280]  I mean, that is really part of the problem, because all the time on TV, you see judges
[21:15.280 --> 21:24.560]  portrayed as honest and thoughtful and caring, and in the real world, it's almost exactly
[21:24.560 --> 21:29.040]  the opposite, and you know, I haven't been out for a while, so I'll tell this joke.
[21:29.040 --> 21:34.560]  I mean, what do you call an attorney with an IQ of 80?
[21:34.560 --> 21:35.560]  Your honor.
[21:35.560 --> 21:36.560]  That's a good one.
[21:36.560 --> 21:44.040]  Yeah, I know you guys have heard it about a million times, but I figured there might
[21:44.040 --> 21:45.720]  be some listeners that haven't heard it.
[21:45.720 --> 21:48.240]  I knew it was either going to be your honor or above average.
[21:48.240 --> 21:50.240]  I wasn't sure which.
[21:50.240 --> 21:59.960]  Well, fortunately, down there in Lee County, this pay, it's called a pay or a peer program,
[21:59.960 --> 22:08.800]  and what happens is whenever there's a child support award entered in a case, if the person
[22:08.800 --> 22:14.240]  fails to make a child support payment, all of a sudden, just out of the blue, the Lee
[22:14.240 --> 22:22.080]  County courts will send an order saying, oh, now we've changed your child support payment,
[22:22.080 --> 22:26.480]  and now you have to pay weekly, and you have to pay more than you used to have to pay.
[22:26.480 --> 22:28.080]  It's not much more.
[22:28.080 --> 22:35.040]  It's about another $15, $16 a month more, which is not that big a deal for the average
[22:35.040 --> 22:44.440]  person, but for someone that's making minimum wage or is unemployed, that extra $15 or so
[22:44.440 --> 22:47.480]  a month more is a big deal.
[22:47.480 --> 22:52.520]  And so now, of course, you all realize what the problem is, but in case we have any listeners
[22:52.520 --> 22:57.440]  out there, who applied to the court for that order?
[22:57.440 --> 22:59.920]  Well, no one did.
[22:59.920 --> 23:04.680]  So does the court just have the ability to say, hey, I think there's a problem.
[23:04.680 --> 23:13.080]  I'm going to just pull somebody in here and issue an order just because I'm the judge
[23:13.080 --> 23:15.640]  and no one's going to tell me no.
[23:15.640 --> 23:19.360]  And they got away with this for seven years.
[23:19.360 --> 23:24.880]  They would put somebody in this payer-appear program, change their child support.
[23:24.880 --> 23:28.280]  They do it without anyone filing a motion.
[23:28.280 --> 23:34.080]  They do it without holding any hearing about the person going into the payer-appear program.
[23:34.080 --> 23:42.520]  And then on top of that, the payer-appear program is sort of like a, well, it's a contempt
[23:42.520 --> 23:50.240]  proceeding which blatantly violates due process because in order to hold someone in contemptive
[23:50.240 --> 23:58.880]  court, just like getting the court to act in any type of situation, first, someone, a party
[23:58.880 --> 24:05.800]  that's affected needs to file a pleading, such as a motion, showing that someone has
[24:05.800 --> 24:10.360]  in this type of situation failed to make their child support payment.
[24:10.360 --> 24:15.640]  And then, okay, that gives the court, that invokes the court's subject matter jurisdiction,
[24:15.640 --> 24:18.560]  gives them the court-powered act.
[24:18.560 --> 24:24.360]  And then, of course, process needs to be served, which when you're talking about contempt,
[24:24.360 --> 24:27.040]  it's just a notice of hearing.
[24:27.040 --> 24:32.880]  And so a notice of hearing needs to be served, and, of course, we all know that due process
[24:32.880 --> 24:40.360]  requires notice and an opportunity to be heard, and that, of course, includes an opportunity
[24:40.360 --> 24:43.960]  to prepare a defense.
[24:43.960 --> 24:49.420]  In this situation, though, there's no motion filed, there's no notice.
[24:49.420 --> 24:53.680]  They just get this order in the mail that says, you know, if you don't make your new
[24:53.680 --> 25:02.120]  increased payment on Wednesday, you have to show up in court on Friday and explain why.
[25:02.120 --> 25:06.040]  And when they get there, you know, in case there's people out there that don't know how
[25:06.040 --> 25:13.160]  child support works, child support, you know, the court has entered an order saying, you
[25:13.160 --> 25:21.720]  know, you have the ability to pay, let's say, $200 a month in child support, and so that
[25:21.720 --> 25:29.040]  order's entered in your, you know, custody case, whether it's paternity or divorce case.
[25:29.040 --> 25:37.360]  And then if you fail to make that payment, then in most states, and Florida is like this,
[25:37.360 --> 25:43.080]  the person who's owed the money has to file a motion seeking to hold you in contempt for
[25:43.080 --> 25:44.840]  failing to pay.
[25:44.840 --> 25:52.120]  Or in some instances in Florida, the state can act, but the statute empowering the state
[25:52.120 --> 25:57.160]  to act does not empower the judge to act.
[25:57.160 --> 26:05.160]  So here, they're acting with no one following any motion, you know, so they're just saying,
[26:05.160 --> 26:09.880]  hey, come on in here and explain yourself.
[26:09.880 --> 26:16.560]  And so they have less than 48 hours notice because, you know, they of course know that
[26:16.560 --> 26:19.480]  if they don't pay by Wednesday, they got to show up on Friday.
[26:19.480 --> 26:24.560]  But then if they don't pay on Wednesday, they have a situation where, you know, they got
[26:24.560 --> 26:33.480]  to try and scramble around, get some financial records together to try and satisfy the judge
[26:33.480 --> 26:37.600]  regarding what the situation is, which, you know, that means they usually have to go to
[26:37.600 --> 26:43.520]  the bank and get a statement from the bank showing what their account balance is, etc.
[26:43.520 --> 26:50.880]  And then they show up there in court and they're really treated by the judges down there like
[26:50.880 --> 26:53.120]  they're criminals.
[26:53.120 --> 26:58.480]  Basically the judges down there will throw them in jail if they don't have the money
[26:58.480 --> 27:04.720]  on Friday, no matter what they say and without any evidence being presented that they actually
[27:04.720 --> 27:14.400]  have the ability to pay because part of the law regarding child support enforcement is
[27:14.400 --> 27:19.040]  when you're trying to get someone held in contempt, if you're following the law, then
[27:19.040 --> 27:24.480]  someone has to, like the person that's owed the support has to follow the motion and say
[27:24.480 --> 27:29.040]  they failed to pay, I believe they have the ability to pay because he's, you know, working
[27:29.040 --> 27:34.640]  at Walmart or wherever he's working and you have to serve the notice of hearing.
[27:34.640 --> 27:40.880]  Then you have an opportunity to show up after a reasonable notice and say, you know, I only
[27:40.880 --> 27:46.040]  have this much money in the bank, you know, $50 and, yeah, I'm working at Walmart but
[27:46.040 --> 27:52.040]  I don't get another check for a week and a half and the reason I didn't make my payment
[27:52.040 --> 27:58.600]  on time last month, I only paid $100 instead of $200 is because my car broke down and here's
[27:58.600 --> 28:05.800]  the repair bill for, you know, $250 and you're supposed to be able to explain yourself and
[28:05.800 --> 28:11.600]  not just automatically be thrown in jail, in fact, the Florida Supreme Court has routinely
[28:11.600 --> 28:18.560]  reminded judges in Florida that you cannot throw an indigent parent in jail for failure
[28:18.560 --> 28:24.920]  to pay child support, you have to have some evidence showing that they have the ability
[28:24.920 --> 28:32.000]  to pay and are just simply refusing to pay in order to throw them in jail and the court
[28:32.000 --> 28:39.120]  for seven years in Lee County, Florida has been operating completely without jurisdiction
[28:39.120 --> 28:47.160]  in absolute violation of due process and what's more interesting is there's been three similar
[28:47.160 --> 28:56.160]  programs operated in Florida like this over the past 20 or so years and two of them have
[28:56.160 --> 29:02.360]  been shut down by appellate courts and one was shut down by a new chief judge who, when
[29:02.360 --> 29:07.640]  he came on the bench, said, hey, you know, this is in Pinellas County and, you know,
[29:07.640 --> 29:11.520]  it's actually, they actually have an honest chief judge right now and so when he came
[29:11.520 --> 29:15.520]  on the bench, he shut down this payer repair program they had going in Pinellas County
[29:15.520 --> 29:24.320]  which is, of course, one of the most corrupt counties in Florida but, you know, the type
[29:24.320 --> 29:29.160]  of comments I've gotten today, you know, there's been no one commented directly on the article
[29:29.160 --> 29:35.360]  yet I don't think but I've gotten some comments today back from people basically saying, oh,
[29:35.360 --> 29:38.360]  well, the father should be in jail if they can't pay support.
[29:38.360 --> 29:43.400]  All right, well, listen, we're going to break and, Mark, it's about time that some of this
[29:43.400 --> 29:48.320]  corruption is getting shut down. I'm really happy to hear about that. Okay, we'll be right
[29:48.320 --> 29:53.000]  back with Mark Adams. We've got Charlie from Missouri and another caller on the board.
[29:53.000 --> 29:58.680]  My call screener is about to screen you guys so just hang in, hang inside, we'll be right
[29:58.680 --> 29:59.680]  back.
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[30:59.800 --> 31:06.800]  Yes, Mr. Officer, you're taking the law in the hand. Won't you follow the law of the
[31:06.800 --> 31:23.800]  land? I don't understand. The job is to protect the conserved, not be an abuse. Officer, when
[31:23.800 --> 31:40.080]  are you going to stop abuse? All right. When are you going to stop abuse of power? Well,
[31:40.080 --> 31:46.440]  not until we do something about it. And that's what we're doing here on the rule of law,
[31:46.440 --> 31:54.800]  ruleoflawradio.com. And we are with our very special guest, Mark Adams. And Mark, this
[31:54.800 --> 31:59.720]  is a great story. I wanted to ask you something too, because I was pretty much under the impression
[31:59.720 --> 32:05.400]  that in this country, there's no such thing as debtors prison, but they are throwing people
[32:05.400 --> 32:11.760]  in jail, men and women, for not paying child support. So technically, how are they doing
[32:11.760 --> 32:16.800]  this? Is this a contempt charge that they're managing to do this? And I don't advocate
[32:16.800 --> 32:22.120]  parents not supporting their kids by any means. I definitely don't advocate that. Both parents,
[32:22.120 --> 32:27.280]  whether they're the father or the mother, need to support their kids, whatever the case
[32:27.280 --> 32:32.360]  may be. But as far as how they expect people to support their kids, how do they expect
[32:32.360 --> 32:37.200]  to remedy the situation if they're sitting in jail? You certainly can't earn a living
[32:37.200 --> 32:40.680]  and pay child support if you're sitting in jail. So it seems like number one, there should
[32:40.680 --> 32:46.560]  be another way of handling these situations. And number two, I thought there was no such
[32:46.560 --> 32:50.920]  thing as debtors prison anyway. So is it contempt? Is that how they're getting these people in
[32:50.920 --> 32:51.920]  jail, Mark?
[32:51.920 --> 32:57.160]  Yes, they're using contempt. But like I was mentioning earlier, the Florida Supreme Court
[32:57.160 --> 33:05.480]  has repeatedly said you cannot throw an indigent parent, I mean someone that's broke, in jail
[33:05.480 --> 33:11.120]  if they can't pay child support. You can only throw someone in jail for failing to pay child
[33:11.120 --> 33:19.560]  support if they have the ability to pay and refuse to pay. And that type of stuff does
[33:19.560 --> 33:25.320]  happen from time to time. And back when I was practicing, I used to handle family law
[33:25.320 --> 33:33.120]  and handle child support enforcement and defense. So I've handled it from both sides. And there
[33:33.120 --> 33:39.000]  are situations where some people have the ability to pay and they just refuse to pay
[33:39.000 --> 33:45.680]  and you have to drag them into court and make them pay. And so that type of stuff does happen.
[33:45.680 --> 33:53.040]  But you know, what we're talking about here is these judges down in Lee County, they're
[33:53.040 --> 34:02.440]  just doing this without any regard whatsoever for jurisdiction or due process or evidence
[34:02.440 --> 34:09.840]  or controlling precedent. And like you mentioned, debtors' prisons have, that was one of the
[34:09.840 --> 34:18.120]  things that the founders were really unhappy about. And basically debtors' prisons had
[34:18.120 --> 34:24.320]  been wiped out throughout our country by the early 1800s. And in Florida, for instance,
[34:24.320 --> 34:29.400]  Florida's Constitution Article 1, Section 11 states no person shall be imprisoned for
[34:29.400 --> 34:36.000]  debt except in cases of fraud. Now, the Florida Supreme Court has said, well, you know, if
[34:36.000 --> 34:42.800]  the person's ordered to pay and they have the ability to pay and they refuse to pay,
[34:42.800 --> 34:49.520]  then you can imprison them provided that you give them the keys to their cell and say,
[34:49.520 --> 34:58.080]  well, when you pay, you can get out. And generally, if someone actually has the ability to pay,
[34:58.080 --> 35:04.240]  once they get thrown in jail, they cough up the money and they get out. And when someone
[35:04.240 --> 35:08.800]  who is poor and doesn't have the money gets thrown in jail, they either end up sitting
[35:08.800 --> 35:13.960]  in jail for, you know, they can end up sitting in jail. I mean, there's people that have
[35:13.960 --> 35:21.080]  been in jail for years on contempt of child support, which is just outrageous. But because
[35:21.080 --> 35:26.360]  obviously someone's been in there for more than a few days, they probably actually do
[35:26.360 --> 35:30.760]  not have the ability to pay. And they don't even have family members that can come up
[35:30.760 --> 35:31.760]  with money.
[35:31.760 --> 35:36.800]  And that's the type of thing that's been going on down in Lee County. You know, people have
[35:36.800 --> 35:46.600]  been, you know, having to, you know, beg people, borrow, sell stuff, all to make their payments
[35:46.600 --> 35:51.460]  so they don't get thrown in jail because, you know, once again, these judges have no
[35:51.460 --> 35:57.940]  regard whatsoever for the fundamentals of jurisdiction, the fundamentals of due process,
[35:57.940 --> 36:02.960]  no regard for controlling precedent, which as you and Randy know, and I'm sure many of
[36:02.960 --> 36:10.240]  your regular listeners know, when judges violate controlling precedent, when they violate U.S.
[36:10.240 --> 36:15.720]  Supreme Court decisions regarding due process, they're committing a criminal act. They're
[36:15.720 --> 36:23.760]  committing a criminal felony violation of rights under color law. It's 18 U.S.C. 242.
[36:23.760 --> 36:27.680]  And this type of stuff has been going on down there for seven years. And you guys are going
[36:27.680 --> 36:33.920]  to love this. Guess who approved of the procedure?
[36:33.920 --> 36:40.920]  No, no, not the state bar. They would not do something like that.
[36:40.920 --> 36:47.320]  Yeah, you guessed it. The Florida bar approved of the procedure. They think it's just fine
[36:47.320 --> 36:49.960]  to just trump, you know, the Constitution.
[36:49.960 --> 36:56.480]  But don't the lawyers of the Florida bar represent the courts and the people in this and they
[36:56.480 --> 36:59.000]  get paid each time they have to do these things?
[36:59.000 --> 37:03.080]  Oh, that's the deal. See, the Florida bar thought it was going to be a moneymaker for
[37:03.080 --> 37:09.240]  them. You see, the thing is that really, you know, in about, I'd say, 90-something percent
[37:09.240 --> 37:14.200]  of the cases, people who aren't paying their child support really don't have the ability
[37:14.200 --> 37:19.400]  to pay their child support. So when they don't have their ability to pay their child support,
[37:19.400 --> 37:22.480]  they really don't have the ability to pay any attorneys.
[37:22.480 --> 37:28.960]  And anyone who's been through the family law leasing system in America knows that when
[37:28.960 --> 37:33.960]  you have a contested divorce, what ends up happening is the attorneys for both sides
[37:33.960 --> 37:41.280]  make a ton of money and they leave both of the parents destitute. And that's when the
[37:41.280 --> 37:44.280]  case ends.
[37:44.280 --> 37:55.680]  Precisely. We have someone in Minnesota who fought most of the case herself. And toward
[37:55.680 --> 38:00.960]  the end, she brought in an attorney. They've been on the case a couple of months and they
[38:00.960 --> 38:04.240]  just billed her $90,000.
[38:04.240 --> 38:05.240]  Unbelievable.
[38:05.240 --> 38:06.240]  What?
[38:06.240 --> 38:07.240]  Yeah.
[38:07.240 --> 38:11.200]  Well, they were working like 28, you know, 8, you know, instead of 24-7, they were working
[38:11.200 --> 38:12.200]  overtime.
[38:12.200 --> 38:18.760]  Yeah, this is, I've suggested that she file a bar grievance against them and sue them
[38:18.760 --> 38:19.760]  for malpractice.
[38:19.760 --> 38:26.640]  Right. Well, recently in the neighboring county, the Lee County, in Charlotte County, Florida,
[38:26.640 --> 38:34.600]  there was a divorce case that went on for a number of years. The husband, the man, was
[38:34.600 --> 38:40.840]  wealthy, had built a big business there in Charlotte County. And apparently, the wife
[38:40.840 --> 38:46.840]  had a nice connected attorney. And so the case went on for a number of years, I think
[38:46.840 --> 38:47.840]  four or five years.
[38:47.840 --> 38:57.920]  But anyway, at the end of the case, the judge ordered the husband to pay attorney's fees
[38:57.920 --> 39:07.960]  of $1.6 million. And now, you know, family law is about the most basic type of law. I
[39:07.960 --> 39:15.120]  mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to practice family law. And so if you're in
[39:15.120 --> 39:20.880]  a reasonable fee for a family law attorney in Florida, it's 200 bucks or less an hour.
[39:20.880 --> 39:27.240]  And so in other words, that attorney worked pretty much full time on that case for years,
[39:27.240 --> 39:33.920]  according to that judge, which of course is completely false. And, you know, attorneys
[39:33.920 --> 39:44.200]  in Florida in the mortgage foreclosure business, a guy up here in the Tampa Bay area that's
[39:44.200 --> 39:50.800]  been on the show before was a mortgage broker and realized that some of the banks and their
[39:50.800 --> 39:59.520]  attorneys were making up false charges. And he actually documented some of these attorneys
[39:59.520 --> 40:04.880]  filing affidavits in these foreclosure cases. And when you put them all together, these
[40:04.880 --> 40:10.960]  guys were working more hours in a week than there are hours in a week. And he brought
[40:10.960 --> 40:17.600]  that to the Florida bar. And one of the attorneys, a low level guy, got a reprimand and suspended
[40:17.600 --> 40:25.960]  for 90 days. And, you know, we're talking thousands of people that had false charges
[40:25.960 --> 40:33.600]  of thousands of dollars piled onto their foreclosure, thus making sure they couldn't get themselves
[40:33.600 --> 40:38.120]  out of the foreclosure mess and lost their homes. So for stealing homes, the Florida
[40:38.120 --> 40:43.800]  bar, eh, you know, hey, you're stealing homes. You're buying to the court. You know, that's
[40:43.800 --> 40:47.240]  a little no-no. We'll give you a 90-day suspension for that.
[40:47.240 --> 40:59.960]  Yeah. I read the bar in California reprimanded an attorney because he took on thousands of
[40:59.960 --> 41:06.040]  cases, took their money and never did anything in return.
[41:06.040 --> 41:13.080]  That's funny because one of the attorneys down in Lee County, because I've looked into
[41:13.080 --> 41:19.560]  a few cases down there, because this is happening to hundreds of people in Lee County. And I've
[41:19.560 --> 41:25.840]  looked into a couple cases and one of the cases, an attorney got reprimanded and I think
[41:25.840 --> 41:31.400]  he only was reprimanded because there were several complaints about him taking people's
[41:31.400 --> 41:37.160]  money and doing nothing. Like for instance, say, you know, I need two or three grand to
[41:37.160 --> 41:41.800]  do depositions and stuff and subpoena witnesses and then didn't do any depositions, didn't
[41:41.800 --> 41:51.560]  subpoena any witnesses. You know, just crazy stuff. And the bar association is like most
[41:51.560 --> 41:58.120]  government bureaucracies. They have, you know, people they play ball with and look the other
[41:58.120 --> 42:05.000]  way for and people that they, you know, don't like because they're exposed in the old boy
[42:05.000 --> 42:10.680]  network. And, you know, in Florida, on top of that, it's one of the worst bars in the
[42:10.680 --> 42:16.280]  country because they have their own insurance agency. And if you're insured through the
[42:16.280 --> 42:22.400]  Florida bar, it's almost a get out of jail free card. There have been a couple people
[42:22.400 --> 42:29.200]  insured by the Florida bar that have actually been disciplined. But in most cases, you've
[42:29.200 --> 42:35.000]  almost got a license to do anything you want if you've got your bar card and you're insured
[42:35.000 --> 42:41.240]  with the Florida bar.
[42:41.240 --> 42:50.120]  It seems like it's showing. Florida has, in all of the time I've been on the radio, Florida
[42:50.120 --> 42:55.880]  does seem to be, I used to think it was the most corrupt state in the union, but now it's
[42:55.880 --> 43:00.080]  a toss up between Florida and Minnesota, I believe.
[43:00.080 --> 43:08.320]  Yeah, well, Minnesota is one of the states that allows attorneys to actually give judges,
[43:08.320 --> 43:16.840]  I think the number is up to $150 a day without the judge having to report it to anyone.
[43:16.840 --> 43:17.840]  What?
[43:17.840 --> 43:20.600]  Yeah, and that's in their actual rules.
[43:20.600 --> 43:27.280]  Oh my God. The lawyers can bribe the judges $150 a day without having to tell anyone about
[43:27.280 --> 43:28.280]  it.
[43:28.280 --> 43:31.000]  Right. And so, you know, there's seven days in a week, right?
[43:31.000 --> 43:32.000]  Oh Lord, Lord.
[43:32.000 --> 43:33.000]  That means lawyers a day.
[43:33.000 --> 43:39.680]  Yeah, no kidding. Okay, listen, we're going to break. Charlie from Missouri, we see you
[43:39.680 --> 43:44.680]  on the line. I understand you have a traffic issue. Just hang tight. We'll be taking your
[43:44.680 --> 43:50.480]  call probably at the top of the hour. We want to finish up with our guest here. At least
[43:50.480 --> 43:54.600]  have him make sure he has a chance to present all his material. Other callers, just hang
[43:54.600 --> 44:00.560]  tight. We'll be taking you in a little bit. We'll be right back.
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[46:22.120 --> 46:51.520]  Okay, we are back. This is the rule of law. We are watching the sparks fly. Okay, Charlie,
[46:51.520 --> 46:54.920]  sit tight. We're going to take you. We understand you have a traffic issue. We're going to be
[46:54.920 --> 46:59.240]  speaking with you at the top of the hour. Charlie in Missouri that is. And we also have
[46:59.240 --> 47:04.760]  Nick from Florida who's on topic. Nick, we're going to be taking your call in just a moment.
[47:04.760 --> 47:11.360]  But first, Mark, you wanted to mention some remedies here. What are people doing about
[47:11.360 --> 47:12.360]  this?
[47:12.360 --> 47:17.920]  Well, you know, of course, people have been suffering this for seven years and no attorneys
[47:17.920 --> 47:26.000]  have stood up and done anything about it. But just a few months ago, an attorney took
[47:26.000 --> 47:30.680]  the case and filed a petition for writ of prohibition on behalf of one of the people
[47:30.680 --> 47:39.800]  that have been abused and jailed repeatedly in this payer-appear program. And, you know,
[47:39.800 --> 47:45.920]  he's... They filed a petition for writ of prohibition and they got an order from the
[47:45.920 --> 47:51.680]  Second District Court of Appeal quashing the arrest warrant that was out for his client
[47:51.680 --> 48:00.400]  at the time. And the chief judge responded and basically said, oh, sort of admitted that
[48:00.400 --> 48:05.840]  they realized they were violating due process, but it was for a good cause. It's to collect
[48:05.840 --> 48:11.480]  child support, you know. But once again, from people that can't pay, like in this client's
[48:11.480 --> 48:18.880]  situation, he was in an auto accident about a year and a half ago. He's been disabled
[48:18.880 --> 48:26.920]  and unable to work, you know, and yet he's still being able to, you know, beg and borrow
[48:26.920 --> 48:31.760]  money and make most of his payments. But he's been jailed, I believe, about a half a dozen
[48:31.760 --> 48:41.320]  times in the last year for failing to pay his child support on time. And so, right now,
[48:41.320 --> 48:46.360]  it's up in front of the Second District Court of Appeal. And if the Second District Court
[48:46.360 --> 48:53.880]  of Appeal follows the law, then they're going to strike this payer-appear program in Lee
[48:53.880 --> 49:03.000]  County down. And like I said, there's been two other similar situations that have been
[49:03.000 --> 49:11.040]  closed down by appellate courts in Florida. And one was actually shut down by the Second
[49:11.040 --> 49:12.040]  District Court of Appeal.
[49:12.040 --> 49:13.040]  That's great.
[49:13.040 --> 49:19.080]  It's looking good. And of course, it would have been nice if a few other attorneys would
[49:19.080 --> 49:26.240]  have joined in and brought some of their clients into it. But, you know, it's a situation where
[49:26.240 --> 49:33.160]  once again, these people are nearly destitute and can't really afford attorneys. And of
[49:33.160 --> 49:38.760]  course, attorneys don't like to rock the boat because, you know, when you point out the
[49:38.760 --> 49:45.680]  judge is blatantly violating the law, the judges don't take kindly to it.
[49:45.680 --> 49:46.680]  Right.
[49:46.680 --> 49:52.200]  They like to be thought of as the law. In fact, I've had them tell me that. I am the
[49:52.200 --> 49:53.200]  law.
[49:53.200 --> 49:54.200]  Oh, really?
[49:54.200 --> 50:00.640]  Yeah. Yep. Crockett Farnell told me that. I am the law.
[50:00.640 --> 50:04.280]  Those are the judges I like to break boots in on.
[50:04.280 --> 50:11.120]  Usually, only rogue police say things like that. But I guess it happens at all levels.
[50:11.120 --> 50:15.760]  Well, it happens at all levels because, like, I don't know if you guys saw my article on
[50:15.760 --> 50:23.680]  torture a couple of months ago, but if you go to DailyCenter.com and look up the author's
[50:23.680 --> 50:33.320]  post and go to Mark Adams, JDMBA, you know, Congress has admitted that, yeah, law enforcement
[50:33.320 --> 50:40.360]  in America rape, beat, and murder people, Americans, on a regular basis. And we're talking
[50:40.360 --> 50:46.460]  hundreds a day are raped and beaten by law enforcement in America. And they get away
[50:46.460 --> 50:54.040]  with this about 99.99 percent of the time. They don't even get prosecuted most of the
[50:54.040 --> 50:55.040]  time.
[50:55.040 --> 50:56.700]  Well, we're doing something about that.
[50:56.700 --> 51:01.680]  And here in Texas, they have a statute that says you cannot resist arrest even if the
[51:01.680 --> 51:03.480]  arrest is unlawful.
[51:03.480 --> 51:08.080]  Well, that's a violation of your fundamental right to defend yourself.
[51:08.080 --> 51:09.080]  Yes, it is.
[51:09.080 --> 51:15.960]  But if someone's committing a crime, arresting you illegally, they're committing a felony.
[51:15.960 --> 51:20.760]  And when someone's attempting to commit a felony on you or in your presence, you have
[51:20.760 --> 51:23.120]  the right to use deadly force to stop that.
[51:23.120 --> 51:25.840]  Well, that law just may have to get struck down in court.
[51:25.840 --> 51:29.220]  Let me give you an idea of how bad it is.
[51:29.220 --> 51:32.440]  And also, we have Nick from Florida that I wanted to bring up, too.
[51:32.440 --> 51:39.920]  Okay. In Texas, the statute for aggravated assault, we hear a lot about police brutality.
[51:39.920 --> 51:46.680]  There is no statute addressing police brutality, but there is one addressing aggravated assault.
[51:46.680 --> 51:56.960]  It's a second degree felony, except if the assault is committed by a public official
[51:56.960 --> 52:02.040]  acting under color of authority, in which case it's a first degree felony.
[52:02.040 --> 52:03.040]  Yes.
[52:03.040 --> 52:09.240]  Or if it's committed by a person against a public official who's acting in his official
[52:09.240 --> 52:10.240]  capacity.
[52:10.240 --> 52:16.400]  Now, I did a search on paragraph A is by a public official.
[52:16.400 --> 52:19.760]  Paragraph B is against a public official.
[52:19.760 --> 52:23.400]  Paragraph B, I got over 3,000 hits.
[52:23.400 --> 52:24.400]  Paragraph A?
[52:24.400 --> 52:25.400]  Zero.
[52:25.400 --> 52:30.840]  Yeah, but the good news is that there is law on the books that makes it an even stiffer
[52:30.840 --> 52:31.840]  penalty.
[52:31.840 --> 52:38.680]  It's a much higher crime if such aggravated assault is committed by a public official
[52:38.680 --> 52:39.880]  under color of law.
[52:39.880 --> 52:45.520]  And so that is the good news, so we just have to enforce it.
[52:45.520 --> 52:48.400]  The bad news is it's never been enforced.
[52:48.400 --> 52:50.200]  I know, but there is good news.
[52:50.200 --> 52:52.800]  That's the point, because the show is about remedies.
[52:52.800 --> 52:58.240]  Yeah, the show isn't just about pointing out what things are bad.
[52:58.240 --> 53:03.400]  I mean, the point is that there is good news and that we are doing something about it and
[53:03.400 --> 53:07.680]  that there is already good law on the books, and so I want to try to keep in that vein.
[53:07.680 --> 53:10.840]  All right, let's go to Nick in Florida.
[53:10.840 --> 53:13.480]  Nick, thanks for calling in.
[53:13.480 --> 53:15.760]  I understand that you are an associate of Mark's.
[53:15.760 --> 53:18.080]  Yes, I'm a good friend of Mark's.
[53:18.080 --> 53:19.880]  I live in Pinellas, California.
[53:19.880 --> 53:22.360]  Okay, now we won't hold that against you.
[53:22.360 --> 53:26.240]  Okay, so what's on your mind, Nick?
[53:26.240 --> 53:32.760]  Well, I'm part of a number of groups with family law reform.
[53:32.760 --> 53:35.360]  One of them has to do with alimony.
[53:35.360 --> 53:42.360]  And what I found out is not only I, but several members of the group have young children where
[53:42.360 --> 53:44.120]  we're paying child support.
[53:44.120 --> 53:47.280]  Our wages are garnished.
[53:47.280 --> 53:49.520]  I think that's the right word.
[53:49.520 --> 53:54.080]  And it shows up as child support.
[53:54.080 --> 53:56.120]  It's not broken up separately.
[53:56.120 --> 54:03.800]  And the reason why I bring this up is because I've had the unfortunate experience of going
[54:03.800 --> 54:08.120]  through the family law system and learning a lot about it.
[54:08.120 --> 54:17.520]  And I'm aware of Title IV-D funding to the states for collecting child support, you know,
[54:17.520 --> 54:18.520]  child support enforcement.
[54:18.520 --> 54:24.640]  And again, I call it reimbursement, 67%, I believe, is the number.
[54:24.640 --> 54:30.800]  So I'm thinking that, well, here's the state reporting, and I could be wrong on this, here's
[54:30.800 --> 54:38.240]  the state reporting, let's say, $2,000 a month in child support, when in fact less than that
[54:38.240 --> 54:41.080]  is child support.
[54:41.080 --> 54:48.680]  But they're getting reimbursed for the enforcement of collecting that $2,000 a month.
[54:48.680 --> 54:49.680]  That's interesting.
[54:49.680 --> 54:52.800]  So they're getting reimbursed from the federal government for that?
[54:52.800 --> 54:55.800]  Yeah, under Title IV-D.
[54:55.800 --> 54:58.720]  So they're committing the fraud on the federal government.
[54:58.720 --> 54:59.720]  Right.
[54:59.720 --> 55:02.840]  You've got to love that one.
[55:02.840 --> 55:06.560]  That makes me think about what was going on.
[55:06.560 --> 55:13.440]  The Florida Bar actually gave the Lee County Courts, I think it was $40,000 or $50,000
[55:13.440 --> 55:18.160]  to start this crazy, completely unconstitutional payor-payer program.
[55:18.160 --> 55:19.160]  Right.
[55:19.160 --> 55:20.160]  Why now?
[55:20.160 --> 55:26.720]  Another one, along with that, is one of the members of the alimony reform group had to
[55:26.720 --> 55:34.960]  make his payment, his rearage payment, directly to the clerk of the court, I believe it's
[55:34.960 --> 55:40.440]  down in Venice, which I think is Sarasota County.
[55:40.440 --> 55:45.760]  And he got a receipt back that's the child support, okay?
[55:45.760 --> 55:50.080]  This gentleman is 72 years old.
[55:50.080 --> 55:57.000]  So my suspicion is that that's getting reported to the Fed as child support, and thereby they
[55:57.000 --> 56:08.400]  collect the 67% of enforcement fees for child support, when in fact it was support of alimony
[56:08.400 --> 56:09.400]  of rearages.
[56:09.400 --> 56:10.400]  Yeah.
[56:10.400 --> 56:11.400]  That's interesting.
[56:11.400 --> 56:12.400]  Yeah.
[56:12.400 --> 56:20.200]  I heard Randy back there in the background going, key tam, key tam.
[56:20.200 --> 56:21.200]  That's always interesting, though.
[56:21.200 --> 56:25.040]  Of course, you know, my experience has been that when you show that there's corruption
[56:25.040 --> 56:30.520]  in the court system, the court system and the news media pretend like everything is
[56:30.520 --> 56:31.520]  just okay.
[56:31.520 --> 56:32.520]  Right.
[56:32.520 --> 56:33.520]  Right.
[56:33.520 --> 56:43.800]  Well, a key tam suit is you get to sue them for the money they stole from the government.
[56:43.800 --> 56:48.040]  This is one of the times you can act as a private attorney general.
[56:48.040 --> 56:54.040]  If you have knowledge that they're defrauding the government, you can sue to recover.
[56:54.040 --> 57:02.280]  If the government decides to step in and take over the suit, you get 15% of what they recover.
[57:02.280 --> 57:06.920]  If they don't, you get 25% of what you recover.
[57:06.920 --> 57:08.480]  Yeah.
[57:08.480 --> 57:13.920]  That's the representative Alan Grayson, the Democrat that's supporting Ron Paul's call
[57:13.920 --> 57:21.120]  to audit the Fed, is an attorney and actually made a bunch of money off the key tam suit.
[57:21.120 --> 57:25.840]  So I mean, it is possible to win them.
[57:25.840 --> 57:28.960]  I imagine he was golfing with the right judges, too.
[57:28.960 --> 57:31.280]  Well, that's the other thing.
[57:31.280 --> 57:32.280]  Yeah.
[57:32.280 --> 57:37.120]  You got to lose a lot of money on the golf course to be popular with the judges.
[57:37.120 --> 57:40.600]  Oh, boy.
[57:40.600 --> 57:46.240]  And you know, once we get people aware that we're supposed to have this right to go in
[57:46.240 --> 57:52.160]  and present evidence of criminal conduct to a grand jury made up of citizens, rather than
[57:52.160 --> 57:59.760]  having to go and beg some prosecutor to take action, you know, once people realize that
[57:59.760 --> 58:04.480]  they have stolen our right to hold government accountable, I think people will demand that
[58:04.480 --> 58:06.440]  it get restored.
[58:06.440 --> 58:07.440]  Absolutely.
[58:07.440 --> 58:09.800]  And people already are.
[58:09.800 --> 58:12.000]  People already are.
[58:12.000 --> 58:13.000]  Definitely.
[58:13.000 --> 58:16.160]  All right, Nick, did you have anything else for us?
[58:16.160 --> 58:17.160]  No.
[58:17.160 --> 58:18.160]  That's it.
[58:18.160 --> 58:19.160]  OK, great.
[58:19.160 --> 58:20.160]  Thanks.
[58:20.160 --> 58:21.160]  All right.
[58:21.160 --> 58:22.160]  When we get back on the other side, we'll take Charlie from Missouri.
[58:22.160 --> 58:23.160]  He's got a traffic issue.
[58:23.160 --> 58:24.160]  But I want to go ahead and take him.
[58:24.160 --> 58:25.520]  He's been holding since the beginning of the show.
[58:25.520 --> 58:28.160]  So, Mark, you're welcome to stay on with us if you like.
[58:28.160 --> 58:29.160]  Sure.
[58:29.160 --> 58:30.160]  OK, wonderful.
[58:30.160 --> 58:34.920]  When we get back on the other side of the news break, we'll take Charlie from Missouri.
[58:34.920 --> 58:38.760]  And there was a John from Connecticut who called in and dropped off the line.
[58:38.760 --> 58:40.320]  John, please feel free to call back in.
[58:40.320 --> 58:41.320]  Callers 512-646-1984.
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[59:58.960 --> 01:00:05.280]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:11.000]  Israel and the U.S. began their largest-ever military exercise Wednesday to simulate possible
[01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.400]  missile attacks on Israel.
[01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:19.200]  The 16-day war game is based on expectations the U.S. will provide Israel with missile
[01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:23.920]  defense systems to operate alongside Israel's in the event of war.
[01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:28.680]  Rebel fighters fired mortars at Somalia's President Sheikh Sharif as he boarded a plane
[01:00:28.680 --> 01:00:30.000]  Thursday.
[01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:35.320]  Gunfights that followed killed at least 20 people and injured 60.
[01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:41.200]  Henry Deino, a top advisor to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, said Tuesday the U.S. was
[01:00:41.200 --> 01:00:46.840]  flooding the world with liquidity to try to inflate away its debt, leading to a depreciation
[01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.440]  of the U.S. dollar.
[01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:54.040]  Deino said, if we lose control of inflation and there is hyperinflation, it's a catastrophe
[01:00:54.040 --> 01:00:57.400]  for everyone.
[01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:01.600]  An Army investigation has found that soldiers should not have been sent to manned traffic
[01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:08.680]  stops in a small Alabama town in March after 11 people were killed during a shooting spree.
[01:01:08.680 --> 01:01:14.180]  An Army report released to the Associated Press Monday in response to a Freedom of Information
[01:01:14.180 --> 01:01:20.160]  Act request said the decision to dispatch military police to Samson broke the law, but
[01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:23.280]  an Army spokesman said no charges have been filed.
[01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.080]  The report from the Department of Army Inspector General found the use of military personnel
[01:01:28.080 --> 01:01:34.580]  in Samson violated the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits federal troops from performing
[01:01:34.580 --> 01:01:36.600]  law enforcement actions.
[01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:41.180]  The officer who made the decision to send soldiers thought he had the authority based
[01:01:41.180 --> 01:01:45.000]  on his experience during hurricanes Katrina and Andrew.
[01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:53.600]  The Army was brought in after local law enforcement was overwhelmed by 11 deaths.
[01:01:53.600 --> 01:01:59.640]  A federal judge Wednesday tossed out a series of lawsuits filed by Iraqi victims against
[01:01:59.640 --> 01:02:05.160]  the contract of black water worldwide, but is allowing the plaintiffs to refile their
[01:02:05.160 --> 01:02:06.160]  claims.
[01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:11.920]  U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis dismissed claims filed by 64 plaintiffs, including the estates
[01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:18.240]  of 19 people who died, which say black water employees engaged in indiscriminate killings
[01:02:18.240 --> 01:02:19.240]  and beatings.
[01:02:19.240 --> 01:02:25.480]  The lawsuits also claimed the company, now known as Z, fostered a culture of lawlessness.
[01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:30.160]  Ellis is allowing most of the plaintiffs to refile, but only if they can prove employees
[01:02:30.160 --> 01:02:33.760]  engaged in intentional killings and beatings.
[01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:39.000]  Judge Ellis said a pattern of recklessness or a culture of lawlessness is not enough
[01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:44.120]  to sustain an allegation of war crimes under the federal law governing the issue.
[01:02:44.120 --> 01:02:46.640]  The alien-taught statute.
[01:02:46.640 --> 01:02:50.480]  Plaintiffs lawyer Susan Burke said she will refile.
[01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:55.600]  In previous hearings, Burke said she could prove black water's actions were intentional.
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[01:03:44.640 --> 01:03:50.080]  Mark Adams, Mark from Florida, and we are taking your calls, we'll be taking your calls
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[01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.920]  All right, we've got Charlie from Missouri.
[01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.520]  Charlie, thanks for calling in, thanks for holding.
[01:04:06.520 --> 01:04:07.520]  What's on your mind?
[01:04:07.520 --> 01:04:09.480]  Hi Deborah, thanks for taking my call.
[01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:13.920]  Hey listen, I'm perfectly satisfied with just waiting if you've got people who want to address
[01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:14.920]  Mark specifically.
[01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:19.040]  No, no, no, that's okay, that's okay, we've got you and John from Connecticut who also
[01:04:19.040 --> 01:04:21.360]  is on a different topic, so go ahead.
[01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.440]  Okay, well it kind of is in the same line too.
[01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:32.280]  I had also sent Randy an email recently, I know he probably gets tons of emails, and
[01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.360]  I sent him a clip of the audio.
[01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:41.880]  I went to court addressing a red light camera ticket, and when I was there, I happened to
[01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:47.440]  have a recorder and I recorded the conversation between myself and the prosecuting attorney,
[01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:51.560]  and I sent the email to Randy, I don't know if he's had an opportunity to look at that
[01:04:51.560 --> 01:04:52.560]  or not.
[01:04:52.560 --> 01:04:59.560]  I got it, I went through it, and I could hardly find anything specific in there that we could
[01:04:59.560 --> 01:05:02.480]  use, that's why I didn't bring it up on the air.
[01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:10.720]  But that's fine, I thought it was, the points that I thought in there, one of my things
[01:05:10.720 --> 01:05:15.840]  with the court was that I needed to produce the oath of office, do you have an opportunity
[01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.120]  to look at that?
[01:05:17.120 --> 01:05:22.400]  I heard that, but that's not a new issue, we hear that a lot.
[01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:27.120]  No, no, it's not a new issue, I was quite surprised, I was taken aback by the prosecuting
[01:05:27.120 --> 01:05:33.320]  attorney, I was readily prepared for them to tell me that the judge didn't have an oath
[01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:34.920]  of office.
[01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:39.760]  What I wasn't prepared for is for the prosecuting attorney to tell me that there was no requirement
[01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.760]  for the judge to have an oath of office.
[01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:43.760]  Oh, I must have...
[01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:44.760]  That's just that quaint old constitution thing.
[01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:45.760]  Excuse me?
[01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:51.760]  I said that's just that quaint old constitution thing.
[01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:57.800]  Yeah, he was pretty adamant about not only did...
[01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:03.240]  What I brought up in court is that actually I made the presentment through one of Randy's
[01:06:03.240 --> 01:06:08.320]  documents for the oath of office for everybody on the prosecutorial teams to have an oath
[01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.680]  of office and present it to me.
[01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:20.000]  And I have made an open request to the clerk of that county to present that to me, which
[01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:25.800]  he forwarded to the prosecuting attorney, which he sat me down before the pre-trial
[01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:30.600]  before you had to say you were guilty or not guilty, he sat me down and told me nobody
[01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:34.400]  had an oath of office except for the mayor.
[01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:39.240]  Not only did he do that, but I was unprepared for that, but I was unprepared for the fact
[01:06:39.240 --> 01:06:43.840]  that him tell me that nobody was required to do that and that if they were required
[01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:51.920]  to do that, I needed to produce the constitutional requirements for that and case law.
[01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:52.920]  Interesting.
[01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:55.920]  And that's on the audio.
[01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:56.920]  That's...
[01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.400]  Okay, I must not have got to that part.
[01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:05.000]  I was really busy today and I went through most of it and finally I said there doesn't
[01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:06.000]  seem to be anything here.
[01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.000]  I understand.
[01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:08.000]  It might have been toward the end.
[01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.000]  Yeah, it might have been.
[01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:16.280]  Once this seminar is over, remind me and I'll go in and do some digging on that issue and
[01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:17.840]  we'll get him his case law.
[01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:22.840]  By any chance, was this guy's head really funky looking and smelling because obviously
[01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:28.280]  he just had to yank it out of his butt.
[01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:33.920]  That's the most asinine proclamation by a public official I believe I would ever hear
[01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.340]  in my life.
[01:07:36.340 --> 01:07:37.920]  I was quite taken aback.
[01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:44.480]  I had a quarter there that the court allowed me to bring in and I had it in his office
[01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:51.200]  when he pulled me to the back and I was telling him that before I pleaded that I wanted to
[01:07:51.200 --> 01:07:56.760]  make sure that this was a real court and then I asked him for the oath of office for everybody.
[01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.280]  As a matter of fact, I had a motion before the court.
[01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:06.440]  It was actually a duplicate of Randy's motion for the oath of office presentation.
[01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:11.960]  I did that and he told me straight out that not only did they didn't have one, that the
[01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:18.200]  only one that had an oath of office, the only one that had an oath of office, was the mayor.
[01:08:18.200 --> 01:08:25.040]  I needed to produce statutes and case law to show that they needed to have an oath of
[01:08:25.040 --> 01:08:26.520]  office.
[01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:33.240]  Because I was so astonished that he would ask that, I really didn't even have that available.
[01:08:33.240 --> 01:08:40.120]  I got home and now that I'm home I spent five minutes, I saw in Missouri statutes, it's
[01:08:40.120 --> 01:08:41.120]  right there.
[01:08:41.120 --> 01:08:46.120]  It's the first thing under the court requirements that the judge has to have an oath of office.
[01:08:46.120 --> 01:08:48.920]  But they're not required to be able to read though, you see.
[01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:49.920]  That's the bond.
[01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:56.480]  I don't need a judge's literacy test anymore, you know what I mean?
[01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:57.480]  I know.
[01:08:57.480 --> 01:09:00.680]  What I was shocked too is I took it to a lawyer after that and I said, look, I don't have
[01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:01.680]  any case law.
[01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.360]  Do you have case law?
[01:09:03.360 --> 01:09:07.520]  And he said, I don't know that the lawyer in Missouri told me he didn't have an oath
[01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:08.520]  of office either.
[01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:13.040]  And I'm like, well, I'll call rule of law radio tonight.
[01:09:13.040 --> 01:09:17.240]  Don't you have access to the state constitution there?
[01:09:17.240 --> 01:09:24.480]  Yeah, this state constitution, and it says, and I found it in like two minutes, that they
[01:09:24.480 --> 01:09:25.480]  have to have an oath of office.
[01:09:25.480 --> 01:09:28.480]  Well, like Mark says, apparently there's not a literacy requirement.
[01:09:28.480 --> 01:09:33.960]  Well, you found it in two minutes, it would have taken an attorney, how long would it
[01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:34.960]  take an attorney, Mark?
[01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:35.960]  Obviously, this one's several years.
[01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:40.320]  That would be, you know, if you were like a typical Weasley attorney, that would probably
[01:09:40.320 --> 01:09:43.320]  take you like 24, 48 hours, something like that.
[01:09:43.320 --> 01:09:44.320]  Yeah.
[01:09:44.320 --> 01:09:45.320]  Especially if you're on the clock.
[01:09:45.320 --> 01:09:46.320]  Right.
[01:09:46.320 --> 01:09:52.360]  Let me tell you something else real quick, and I, if you can give me, I looked up, I
[01:09:52.360 --> 01:09:56.200]  tried to find some case law, I couldn't find a case law, but I did find the direct statute.
[01:09:56.200 --> 01:10:01.480]  But I got to tell you guys this, when I went to the court, okay, this was on a runner red
[01:10:01.480 --> 01:10:02.480]  light ticket.
[01:10:02.480 --> 01:10:08.760]  I'm here in St. Louis, and this court is really full of diligent people.
[01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:15.480]  And the people, I'm up in age, I've never been to court for anything.
[01:10:15.480 --> 01:10:21.520]  And I got to tell you, and I want your listeners to listen to this, when I went to this courtroom,
[01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.600]  and I should have done this before, I'm in this courtroom, and it's probably got a hundred
[01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:27.600]  people in its pack.
[01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.320]  It's just a small municipality out of St. Louis.
[01:10:31.320 --> 01:10:36.800]  And most of the people in there, you can tell, real obvious, they don't have any money.
[01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.760]  And what you got is you got the judge up there telling them they have to plead guilty or
[01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:40.760]  not guilty.
[01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:45.200]  And right beside the judge, they have this guy sitting there with a cash register box.
[01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:48.640]  And these people in the courtroom, you can tell they don't have any money.
[01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:52.480]  And most of these people, I talked to several of them, and they were nice people, and they
[01:10:52.480 --> 01:10:55.280]  didn't hurt anybody.
[01:10:55.280 --> 01:10:59.560]  There's nobody that's been hurt, and they're up there paying their money to this court,
[01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:01.840]  and this guy's up there collecting their money.
[01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.400]  Guys sitting next to the judge with a cash register box?
[01:11:05.400 --> 01:11:06.400]  Yeah.
[01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:07.880]  Let me ask a question.
[01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:12.240]  In your state, is a red light camera ticket civil or criminal?
[01:11:12.240 --> 01:11:17.000]  It's supposed to be, it's kind of, I haven't figured that out yet.
[01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:20.920]  It's supposed to be civil, I think, but they're graphing down with it here.
[01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:21.920]  Okay.
[01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:27.000]  Well, if they're prosecuting it under a civil statute, slap them with a lawsuit for a bill
[01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.160]  of pains and penalties.
[01:11:29.160 --> 01:11:34.000]  That is a declaration of guilt through a legislative or administrative finding without a judicial
[01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:39.000]  determination of guilt, and that is a bill of pains and penalties and misdemeanor instances.
[01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:43.120]  And if it's a felony or a capital crime, it's a bill of attainder.
[01:11:43.120 --> 01:11:44.120]  Interesting.
[01:11:44.120 --> 01:11:48.280]  I've heard you talk about that, and I called you before and you said you talked about that
[01:11:48.280 --> 01:11:52.200]  on the show, and I went back and listened to that on the show.
[01:11:52.200 --> 01:11:57.280]  And you didn't, I didn't catch what you needed to do, so you just told me.
[01:11:57.280 --> 01:12:00.120]  So believe me, I'm going to do that.
[01:12:00.120 --> 01:12:01.480]  I'm going to do more than that.
[01:12:01.480 --> 01:12:03.480]  There's so much more that I'm going to do.
[01:12:03.480 --> 01:12:08.360]  And when I was in the court, which is so sad about the whole thing, there was people in
[01:12:08.360 --> 01:12:12.080]  the, there was people in the military in there, there was a staff sergeant in there from the
[01:12:12.080 --> 01:12:22.640]  military, and his crime, I believe his crime was too loud music, and it's like, well, how
[01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:28.760]  did they, I told him I didn't have time, but I told him, you know, find out what the legal
[01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:34.640]  determination of loud music is, and then find out how they decided how you went.
[01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.480]  This whole court was filled with these people, and the judge was up there, and the judge
[01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:43.880]  doesn't even have, the lawyer, if you listen to the audio that I gave Randy, the lawyer,
[01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.680]  the prosecuting attorney, admits that nobody in the whole court has an oath of office.
[01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.920]  And I confirmed him and said it's not real, it's not real court then.
[01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:53.920]  Right.
[01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:58.920]  I mean, there's a U.S. Supreme Court case that says if it's a judicial officer and they're
[01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:12.560]  not qualified to act, then everything they do is a nullty, and that's Wynn versus, that's
[01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:20.120]  N-G-U-Y-E-N versus U.S., and that's pretty recent, from 2003.
[01:13:20.120 --> 01:13:27.960]  The difference between voidable and void, if something's voidable, you can move the
[01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:35.600]  court and ask the court to declare it void, but if it's already void, it's like it never
[01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:36.600]  happened.
[01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:37.600]  Yep.
[01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:38.600]  It's already void.
[01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:39.600]  It's one of those instances.
[01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.400]  Everything they've done is, all you have to show is that the court hasn't had no jurisdiction
[01:13:44.400 --> 01:13:50.200]  because they weren't proper officers, and everything they did is, as a matter of law,
[01:13:50.200 --> 01:13:51.200]  garbage.
[01:13:51.200 --> 01:13:55.160]  And then you can go after them directly for impersonating a public servant.
[01:13:55.160 --> 01:13:59.120]  That's what I want to do.
[01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:06.040]  And if you get an opportunity to flip through that again, the first half of that is garbage.
[01:14:06.040 --> 01:14:07.040]  It doesn't say anything.
[01:14:07.040 --> 01:14:12.480]  In my email, I said start at, like, 1,300 because that's where the prosecutor and I
[01:14:12.480 --> 01:14:13.480]  were debating.
[01:14:13.480 --> 01:14:14.480]  Yeah.
[01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:18.880]  There was a program I needed to download so I could bring it up and then cut out all the
[01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:22.120]  front part, but I just didn't have time today to do it.
[01:14:22.120 --> 01:14:27.000]  I couldn't do that for you, so I'm sorry, but I think you'll find it really enlightening
[01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:29.280]  what goes on here in Missouri.
[01:14:29.280 --> 01:14:33.000]  It's like that pretty much everywhere.
[01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:39.640]  They just go on doing what they always did, and the problem is that they create new things
[01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:44.920]  from time to time, like this crazy payer-appear program down in Lee County, and they don't
[01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:51.880]  even bother to look to see that the little type of thing they're trying to do just blatantly
[01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:58.120]  violates basic fundamentals of due process, jurisdiction.
[01:14:58.120 --> 01:15:01.680]  Yeah, if not specific statute.
[01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:07.400]  Right, and similar programs have already been struck down by the appellate courts, and you
[01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:11.440]  know, but they sent it to the Florida Bar for approval, and the Florida Bar said, hey,
[01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:12.440]  that's a good idea.
[01:15:12.440 --> 01:15:13.440]  Here's the money.
[01:15:13.440 --> 01:15:18.000]  It'll probably get plenty of business for us down there.
[01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:24.080]  The prosecutors called me specifically, and they pulled me out of the court area.
[01:15:24.080 --> 01:15:27.920]  If you call this the court, they pulled me out, the prosecuting attorney called me to
[01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:34.560]  the back, and my first half of my discussion was on, I gave them abatement on my name because
[01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:42.320]  I'm a secured party predator to the debtor that they addressed in the court, and he couldn't
[01:15:42.320 --> 01:15:47.960]  understand any of that and said I was talking foreign language, so we got by that, and then
[01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:53.400]  he started to address the oath of office and specifically telling me that nobody in his
[01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:57.840]  court required an oath of office, and the only thing I would say is that, and I've told
[01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.880]  other people, I pulled the statute up in two minutes.
[01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:05.400]  The first thing the court addressed in Missouri statute is that they have to have an oath
[01:16:05.400 --> 01:16:06.400]  of office.
[01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:08.120]  And you showed this to them?
[01:16:08.120 --> 01:16:14.320]  No, I did not, because I had no idea that this guy was going to say that they didn't
[01:16:14.320 --> 01:16:15.320]  need one.
[01:16:15.320 --> 01:16:21.080]  I figured he would tell me that they didn't have one, but I had no idea that he would
[01:16:21.080 --> 01:16:29.680]  tell me and deny that the statute and case law didn't assume that they would need one,
[01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:30.680]  you see what I'm saying?
[01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:35.160]  He was not fully prepared for the level of ineptitude and incompetence which he encountered.
[01:16:35.160 --> 01:16:39.160]  No, I was fully taken aback, and it's like, I don't know this statute.
[01:16:39.160 --> 01:16:40.880]  Okay, listen, hold on, we're going to break.
[01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:42.360]  Charlie, do you have anything else for us?
[01:16:42.360 --> 01:16:44.360]  Did you want to stay on to the other side?
[01:16:44.360 --> 01:16:45.360]  No, that's okay.
[01:16:45.360 --> 01:16:46.360]  I'll talk to you later and let you know what happens.
[01:16:46.360 --> 01:16:47.360]  Take another call.
[01:16:47.360 --> 01:16:48.360]  Okay, great.
[01:16:48.360 --> 01:16:49.360]  Thanks for taking this part of it.
[01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:50.360]  Thanks, Charlie.
[01:16:50.360 --> 01:16:51.360]  All right, wonderful.
[01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:56.360]  All right, so we have to have this law on a piece of paper.
[01:16:56.360 --> 01:16:57.360]  When we walk in there, they've got to have an oath.
[01:16:57.360 --> 01:16:58.360]  We'll be right back.
[01:16:58.360 --> 01:16:59.360]  Bye-bye.
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[01:18:27.360 --> 01:18:54.360]  Okay, we're not going to fall for the same old tricks again.
[01:18:54.360 --> 01:18:57.360]  All right, we're going now to John in Connecticut.
[01:18:57.360 --> 01:18:59.360]  Then we've got Sam from Georgia coming up.
[01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:00.360]  John, thanks for calling in.
[01:19:00.360 --> 01:19:04.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:04.360 --> 01:19:07.360]  John?
[01:19:07.360 --> 01:19:11.360]  Oh, and he had called back in and everything.
[01:19:11.360 --> 01:19:12.360]  John, you there?
[01:19:12.360 --> 01:19:13.360]  Oh, there you go.
[01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:14.360]  Oh, there you are.
[01:19:14.360 --> 01:19:16.360]  Okay, John, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:16.360 --> 01:19:19.360]  Okay, Dan had called you guys.
[01:19:19.360 --> 01:19:24.360]  Real from Connecticut, he gave us an update, so I'll pick up where he left off.
[01:19:24.360 --> 01:19:28.360]  At court today, and they were doing a psychological evaluation hearing.
[01:19:28.360 --> 01:19:30.360]  On who?
[01:19:30.360 --> 01:19:31.360]  On me.
[01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:32.360]  Okay.
[01:19:32.360 --> 01:19:36.360]  They ordered a psychological evaluation when I challenged jurisdiction.
[01:19:36.360 --> 01:19:43.360]  Wait a minute, back up and give us just a little bit of a background on your case because I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
[01:19:43.360 --> 01:19:52.360]  All right, they had the arrest warrant out for me for sexual assault that I passed a polygraph while I'm proving I'm innocent, and they arrested me anyway.
[01:19:52.360 --> 01:19:54.360]  They arrested me.
[01:19:54.360 --> 01:19:57.360]  They released me with the arrest warrant.
[01:19:57.360 --> 01:19:59.360]  They did not send me to a magistrate.
[01:19:59.360 --> 01:20:09.360]  They sent me to a lesser court who bumped it up to another court, and in between they had me go in and answer for a restraining order.
[01:20:09.360 --> 01:20:14.360]  And then after that, over a month later, I finally got a chance to answer three missing charges.
[01:20:14.360 --> 01:20:19.360]  So the due process violations were just stacking up right from the get-go.
[01:20:19.360 --> 01:20:26.360]  And by the time I got in there, the first time I had a chance to answer, I immediately challenged jurisdiction.
[01:20:26.360 --> 01:20:28.360]  And they ignored answering jurisdiction.
[01:20:28.360 --> 01:20:35.360]  They provided no documentation that they had it, and they ordered me to take a psychological evaluation because of the Stanto system.
[01:20:35.360 --> 01:20:47.360]  I took the evaluation last week, went in today to answer for the evaluation for the hearing, and they challenged the jurisdiction again.
[01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:49.360]  They did not address it.
[01:20:49.360 --> 01:20:55.360]  They put it off until November 6th, but still heard the psychological evaluation hearing.
[01:20:55.360 --> 01:21:01.360]  Now, the psychologists that did it, there was a panel of three psychiatrists.
[01:21:01.360 --> 01:21:08.360]  One of them showed up to testify at the hearing, and a prosecutor was constantly hammering him, attempting to get something wrong with me.
[01:21:08.360 --> 01:21:14.360]  And he was telling them, he's sane, he's confident to stand trial, and I'm acting on my own authority.
[01:21:14.360 --> 01:21:16.360]  I'm pro se.
[01:21:16.360 --> 01:21:26.360]  But they were trying to do whatever they could to get them to find something wrong with me to apply a public defender, and they weren't able to do it.
[01:21:26.360 --> 01:21:31.360]  Well, I'm going to suggest that a public defender may not be a bad thing.
[01:21:31.360 --> 01:21:45.360]  I just got a public defender, and the first thing I told him, you failed to adjudicate even one of my due process rights, and I filed a bar grievance against you.
[01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:49.360]  That absolutely got his attention.
[01:21:49.360 --> 01:21:56.360]  And then in his defense, he did good. He was concerned.
[01:21:56.360 --> 01:22:04.360]  He told me, Mr. Compton, you need to give me a letter so that I don't get in trouble with the court.
[01:22:04.360 --> 01:22:10.360]  He was concerned that if he tried to adjudicate my rights, he would get in trouble with the court.
[01:22:10.360 --> 01:22:22.360]  So I gave him a letter that made it real clear to the court that this attorney you have appointed has got himself a difficult client.
[01:22:22.360 --> 01:22:32.360]  So this attorney is going to have to do stuff you're not going to like, because if he doesn't, this client is going to kick his behind every way from Sunday.
[01:22:32.360 --> 01:22:40.360]  So now the judge is in a position to have to protect this attorney rather than use the attorney to screw you.
[01:22:40.360 --> 01:22:43.360]  I just threw my case out a couple weeks ago.
[01:22:43.360 --> 01:22:44.360]  All right, good.
[01:22:44.360 --> 01:22:49.360]  Piece of cake. So the attorney may not be a bad thing.
[01:22:49.360 --> 01:22:52.360]  Depending on how you handle it from the start.
[01:22:52.360 --> 01:22:54.360]  Yeah, you handle the attorney from the start.
[01:22:54.360 --> 01:23:01.360]  The first thing I told the attorney is he's telling me how the case is going to go, and I'm telling him, no, that's not how it's going to go.
[01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:07.360]  What's going to go is you're going to go to the judge and ask the judge to remove you from the case.
[01:23:07.360 --> 01:23:11.360]  And I'm going to go to the judge and tell him, don't you dare remove him from this case.
[01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:12.360]  And the judge is going to remove you.
[01:23:12.360 --> 01:23:17.360]  And when the judge does, I'm going to sue the judge.
[01:23:17.360 --> 01:23:25.360]  The attorney just sat there and looked at me and he was clearly he was thinking, what in the world have I got into?
[01:23:25.360 --> 01:23:31.360]  He could see his career passing before his eyes.
[01:23:31.360 --> 01:23:41.360]  But in his defense, once he found out what I was doing, that I wasn't nuts and that I had really good arguments,
[01:23:41.360 --> 01:23:49.360]  he seemed to really enjoy examining the issues and actually being able to be a real attorney.
[01:23:49.360 --> 01:23:58.360]  In the end, he kicked their behinds because he had to, because I'm standing behind him waiting to kick his if he don't.
[01:23:58.360 --> 01:24:03.360]  So I'm offering that as an option.
[01:24:03.360 --> 01:24:07.360]  If they don't give me an attorney, piece of cake, give me an attorney.
[01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:09.360]  I'll take care of him.
[01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:13.360]  Do you have him appear as co-counsel with you or as an attorney for you?
[01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:14.360]  Absolutely.
[01:24:14.360 --> 01:24:23.360]  And when I filed the motion, I filed a notice that and if you'll send me an email, I'll send you this notice.
[01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:30.360]  And what the notice said was that I do not give up my right to represent myself.
[01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:43.360]  Neither do I give up my right to counsel because I cannot be required to waive one right in order to exercise another.
[01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:46.360]  So I exercised both.
[01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:50.360]  And my counsel said, well, what do you want me to do?
[01:24:50.360 --> 01:24:52.360]  Do you want me to be second counsel?
[01:24:52.360 --> 01:24:54.360]  No, I want you to represent me.
[01:24:54.360 --> 01:24:56.360]  He said, well, that I don't understand.
[01:24:56.360 --> 01:24:58.360]  Well, here's the deal.
[01:24:58.360 --> 01:25:02.360]  There are some areas of law here I think I know better than you do.
[01:25:02.360 --> 01:25:04.360]  He said, Mr. Kelly, I agree with you.
[01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:13.360]  If there's an area that you're not comfortable with, I'll adjudicate it.
[01:25:13.360 --> 01:25:17.360]  And he actually told me as the case went on, there were some issues.
[01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:23.360]  He said, Mr. Kelton, I'm uncomfortable arguing these issues.
[01:25:23.360 --> 01:25:27.360]  I will ask the judge to allow you to do it.
[01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:31.360]  And the judge already knew I'd already hammered the judge.
[01:25:31.360 --> 01:25:34.360]  So the judge knew I was a problem.
[01:25:34.360 --> 01:25:37.360]  And like you, they know you're a problem.
[01:25:37.360 --> 01:25:38.360]  Oh, but no, I am.
[01:25:38.360 --> 01:25:39.360]  That's for sure.
[01:25:39.360 --> 01:25:45.360]  So let them appoint you counsel, and then you land on that counsel like a ton of bricks.
[01:25:45.360 --> 01:25:52.360]  And now they have to protect their counsel from you.
[01:25:52.360 --> 01:25:54.360]  Let me ask you another question, too.
[01:25:54.360 --> 01:26:03.360]  You say you passed the exam, the panel said you were competent, and then they've ordered a new exam?
[01:26:03.360 --> 01:26:05.360]  No, I passed the polygraph for re-innocence.
[01:26:05.360 --> 01:26:08.360]  I passed the psychological evaluation.
[01:26:08.360 --> 01:26:12.360]  I'm confident and sane, capable of holding trial.
[01:26:12.360 --> 01:26:20.360]  Now, the next set up is for November 6th when they're going to hear the motions that have been in place all along.
[01:26:20.360 --> 01:26:21.360]  Oh, okay.
[01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:27.360]  They've been hoarding hearing my motions and hoping to get me, you know, failing this evaluation, which I passed.
[01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:28.360]  Right.
[01:26:28.360 --> 01:26:35.360]  They were hoping someone would say you were crazy because then they could just ignore all the law and stuff you would file,
[01:26:35.360 --> 01:26:39.360]  pointing out that they're violating your rights and that kind of jurisdiction and stuff.
[01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:47.360]  That's one of the important things to understand, that they're going to fight you right up to the end.
[01:26:47.360 --> 01:26:48.360]  Okay.
[01:26:48.360 --> 01:26:58.360]  And when I was in court, they were making all kinds of threats and shouting and waving their arms and all of these horrible things they're going to do.
[01:26:58.360 --> 01:27:05.360]  But I knew the closer you get to the end, the louder they scream and the more they jump up and down and holler.
[01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:10.360]  And as long as you hang in there, they're going to run out of crapola.
[01:27:10.360 --> 01:27:11.360]  Okay.
[01:27:11.360 --> 01:27:20.360]  And they do the worm turns, these guys dismissed all the charges against me, knowing full well that when they did,
[01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:24.360]  I was going to land on the Department of Public Safety like a ton of bricks.
[01:27:24.360 --> 01:27:25.360]  Yeah, you should wait.
[01:27:25.360 --> 01:27:31.360]  You should see the lawsuit and charges he's going to file against these guys, these rogues, these scoundrels.
[01:27:31.360 --> 01:27:36.360]  They knew this was going to happen, but they just couldn't stop it.
[01:27:36.360 --> 01:27:40.360]  They had dismissed the charges once and then they filed them again.
[01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:41.360]  Oh, no, no.
[01:27:41.360 --> 01:27:44.360]  The first time they arrested me, they never charged me.
[01:27:44.360 --> 01:27:45.360]  Okay, that's what it was.
[01:27:45.360 --> 01:27:46.360]  They never charged you.
[01:27:46.360 --> 01:27:48.360]  And so they had to let you go.
[01:27:48.360 --> 01:27:55.360]  And then when they found out that you were going to sue them and file criminal charges and all these things, then they decided to charge you anyway after the fact.
[01:27:55.360 --> 01:28:01.360]  Yeah, they thought they would file charges against me and I would shake in my boots and run for cover.
[01:28:01.360 --> 01:28:02.360]  Yeah.
[01:28:02.360 --> 01:28:06.360]  Well, when they filed charges, I took that as an opportunity.
[01:28:06.360 --> 01:28:14.360]  And when I talked to my attorney, he said, well, Mr. Keltham, you have a, this is better adjudicated in the civil action.
[01:28:14.360 --> 01:28:22.360]  I said, I know that, but I'm not ready for the civil action because they haven't created enough tort action.
[01:28:22.360 --> 01:28:24.360]  I want to make the price tag bigger.
[01:28:24.360 --> 01:28:27.360]  Yeah, he sat back in his chair and smiled.
[01:28:27.360 --> 01:28:31.360]  And he said, Mr. Keltham, you could be a hard man.
[01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:32.360]  Yes, I can.
[01:28:32.360 --> 01:28:34.360]  Well, listen, we're almost to the end of the segment.
[01:28:34.360 --> 01:28:36.360]  John, did you have anything else for us?
[01:28:36.360 --> 01:28:37.360]  No, it's good.
[01:28:37.360 --> 01:28:38.360]  Thank you very much.
[01:28:38.360 --> 01:28:39.360]  Okay, good.
[01:28:39.360 --> 01:28:42.360]  I just want to make sure we address all your issues before we went to break.
[01:28:42.360 --> 01:28:43.360]  Keep us in touch.
[01:28:43.360 --> 01:28:44.360]  Keep us up to date.
[01:28:44.360 --> 01:28:45.360]  Yeah, keep us up to date.
[01:28:45.360 --> 01:28:46.360]  Absolutely.
[01:28:46.360 --> 01:28:48.360]  Tell Dan hi for us.
[01:28:48.360 --> 01:28:49.360]  I will.
[01:28:48.360 --> 01:28:49.360]  Thank you.
[01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:50.360]  All right.
[01:28:50.360 --> 01:28:51.360]  Bye.
[01:28:50.360 --> 01:28:51.360]  Good deal.
[01:28:51.360 --> 01:28:53.360]  Yeah, so they arrest Randy.
[01:28:53.360 --> 01:28:56.360]  Then they never file any charges, but he has to sit in jail anyway.
[01:28:56.360 --> 01:29:00.360]  So he's got a whole bunch of torts and criminal charges for that incident.
[01:29:00.360 --> 01:29:03.360]  And it just keeps piling up.
[01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:09.360]  Yeah, that's amazing how they will do something like that or just make something up to arrest somebody,
[01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:13.360]  because either way, they've just basically committed kidnapping.
[01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:23.360]  Oh, Mark, you've got to go back and listen to our archives from Memorial Day of this year.
[01:29:23.360 --> 01:29:29.360]  We had Officer Ben from the Austin Police Department call in and admit on the air
[01:29:29.360 --> 01:29:34.360]  that they'll just make something up on the way to the jail.
[01:29:34.360 --> 01:29:35.360]  Oh, they do that, yeah?
[01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:36.360]  Oh, yeah, he admitted it on the air.
[01:29:36.360 --> 01:29:37.360]  It was great.
[01:29:37.360 --> 01:29:39.360]  Okay, well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:42.360]  We've got Mark from Wisconsin, an affiliate of ours.
[01:29:42.360 --> 01:29:44.360]  We've got Sam from Georgia.
[01:29:44.360 --> 01:29:48.360]  And we will be right back after this short break.
[01:29:48.360 --> 01:29:51.360]  Listeners, callers, you have a half an hour to call in.
[01:29:51.360 --> 01:29:55.360]  If you've got something to say, if you've got some questions you want to ask of us,
[01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:57.360]  this will be your last chance before the seminar.
[01:29:57.360 --> 01:30:00.360]  We'll be right back.
[01:30:00.360 --> 01:30:03.360]  Are you tired of being pulled over before you can find the time to get your registration
[01:30:03.360 --> 01:30:07.360]  or insurance removed resulting in traffic tickets, fines, and court appearances?
[01:30:07.360 --> 01:30:09.360]  Well, we can help.
[01:30:09.360 --> 01:30:11.360]  This is Andy Craig from RuleOfLawRadio.com.
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[01:31:28.360 --> 01:31:37.360]  Okay, we're back.
[01:31:37.360 --> 01:31:41.360]  The rule of law, we've got Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, I'm Deborah Stevens.
[01:31:41.360 --> 01:31:43.360]  We're with our special guest Mark Adams.
[01:31:43.360 --> 01:31:45.360]  Good to have you back in the saddle, Mark.
[01:31:45.360 --> 01:31:46.360]  We missed you.
[01:31:46.360 --> 01:31:49.360]  And we are going now to another Mark, Mark from Wisconsin.
[01:31:49.360 --> 01:31:53.360]  He's one of our affiliates putting us out on the FM airwaves up there in Madison.
[01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:56.360]  Thanks for calling in, Mark.
[01:31:56.360 --> 01:31:57.360]  You're welcome.
[01:31:57.360 --> 01:31:58.360]  Hey, I had a question.
[01:31:58.360 --> 01:32:05.360]  I'll be going to court probably in a couple months here for a bill collector.
[01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:10.360]  He wants $240 for an old $80 bill that my wife didn't know she had.
[01:32:10.360 --> 01:32:15.360]  And I wondered, Randy, I know they come to court with insufficient evidence.
[01:32:15.360 --> 01:32:18.360]  They don't have a competent fact witness.
[01:32:18.360 --> 01:32:20.360]  What kind of motion do you use for that?
[01:32:20.360 --> 01:32:25.360]  Is that a motion to challenge the jurisdiction?
[01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:26.360]  What kind of motion do you file on that?
[01:32:26.360 --> 01:32:27.360]  Wait, wait.
[01:32:27.360 --> 01:32:30.360]  First thing, has he established agency?
[01:32:30.360 --> 01:32:31.360]  No.
[01:32:31.360 --> 01:32:32.360]  How do you get him to establish agency?
[01:32:32.360 --> 01:32:34.360]  Do you put a motion in for that?
[01:32:34.360 --> 01:32:37.360]  Motion to challenge jurisdiction.
[01:32:37.360 --> 01:32:39.360]  Did you say you're in Texas?
[01:32:39.360 --> 01:32:41.360]  No, he's in Wisconsin, Madison.
[01:32:41.360 --> 01:32:43.360]  Oh, okay, okay.
[01:32:43.360 --> 01:32:52.360]  Challenge to jurisdiction, claiming that the person who is claiming to collect this bill
[01:32:52.360 --> 01:32:57.360]  has not proved that he is the agent of the principal.
[01:32:57.360 --> 01:33:01.360]  And agency may not be proven out of the mouth of the agent.
[01:33:01.360 --> 01:33:05.360]  It must be proven out of the mouth of the principal.
[01:33:05.360 --> 01:33:16.360]  So you need to subpoena the principal to the stand to verify that this attorney has agency to represent him.
[01:33:16.360 --> 01:33:18.360]  Now, there's another thing to be aware of also.
[01:33:18.360 --> 01:33:24.360]  In Texas, they are forbidden by law to add one penny to the original amount to be collected.
[01:33:24.360 --> 01:33:30.360]  See if there's a similar statute there in Wisconsin, and if there is, sue them for fraud.
[01:33:30.360 --> 01:33:34.360]  Have they ever called you about this bill?
[01:33:34.360 --> 01:33:35.360]  What's that?
[01:33:35.360 --> 01:33:39.360]  Have they ever called you on the phone about this bill?
[01:33:39.360 --> 01:33:43.360]  No, he sent me a letter and I found two cases of overshadowing,
[01:33:43.360 --> 01:33:47.360]  so I'll be taking them into federal court for $2,000 there.
[01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:49.360]  Oh, okay, overshadowing, good, good, good.
[01:33:49.360 --> 01:33:50.360]  So you're aware of all that.
[01:33:50.360 --> 01:33:53.360]  You remember Mike Miros.
[01:33:53.360 --> 01:33:55.360]  Yeah, in fact, I've got the course.
[01:33:55.360 --> 01:34:03.360]  If anybody in Wisconsin needs help taking them into federal court for violations against the FPPA Act,
[01:34:03.360 --> 01:34:06.360]  I can help them out with that.
[01:34:06.360 --> 01:34:10.360]  So just quickly, Randy, a checklist is you motion challenge the jurisdiction.
[01:34:10.360 --> 01:34:12.360]  And what about the insufficient evidence?
[01:34:12.360 --> 01:34:16.360]  I mean, all they're doing is coming to court with photocopies, and we know that that's not legal.
[01:34:16.360 --> 01:34:22.360]  Okay, file a demand for validation and verification.
[01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:24.360]  Validation and verification.
[01:34:24.360 --> 01:34:28.360]  People have been saying that, but I believe they're saying it wrong.
[01:34:28.360 --> 01:34:34.360]  It should be a verified validation.
[01:34:34.360 --> 01:34:44.360]  Validation is the accounting, and it must be verified, signed under oath by someone.
[01:34:44.360 --> 01:34:48.360]  Otherwise, it is not validation and verification.
[01:34:48.360 --> 01:34:51.360]  Demand validation and verification from them.
[01:34:51.360 --> 01:34:52.360]  Correct me if I'm wrong, Randy.
[01:34:52.360 --> 01:34:54.360]  It's got to be somebody that he can cross-examine.
[01:34:54.360 --> 01:34:59.360]  Yes, because the affidavit is only your say.
[01:34:59.360 --> 01:35:08.360]  When you get validated or verified validation, the first thing you want to do is subpoena whoever the person is.
[01:35:08.360 --> 01:35:14.360]  Subpoena the principal to testify that the agent is the agent for the principal.
[01:35:14.360 --> 01:35:20.360]  The agent cannot testify by affidavit, and affidavit is only your say.
[01:35:20.360 --> 01:35:23.360]  Now, Randy, do I need to subpoena them?
[01:35:23.360 --> 01:35:26.360]  Why do I need to subpoena them when the burden of proof is on them?
[01:35:26.360 --> 01:35:35.360]  Well, because they're the ones that are – the one that files the affidavit.
[01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:36.360]  Right.
[01:35:36.360 --> 01:35:42.360]  The court is going to accept the affidavit unless you disprove it.
[01:35:42.360 --> 01:35:44.360]  Which is just prima facie evidence, right?
[01:35:44.360 --> 01:35:45.360]  Right.
[01:35:45.360 --> 01:35:48.360]  But they will accept it, yes, as prima facie.
[01:35:48.360 --> 01:35:53.360]  So you want to bring in the principal and examine him on the stand.
[01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:56.360]  Well, he's not going to want to do that.
[01:35:56.360 --> 01:35:57.360]  Now, Mark had a question.
[01:35:57.360 --> 01:36:04.360]  Mark, you were asking – Mark Adams, you were asking a question a minute ago?
[01:36:04.360 --> 01:36:06.360]  Mark Adams?
[01:36:06.360 --> 01:36:07.360]  I wonder if we lost him.
[01:36:07.360 --> 01:36:09.360]  I think we put him to sleep.
[01:36:09.360 --> 01:36:14.360]  I think he was asking something about if this was small claims.
[01:36:14.360 --> 01:36:16.360]  Well, I'm just assuming it is.
[01:36:16.360 --> 01:36:18.360]  It's only for $240.
[01:36:18.360 --> 01:36:26.360]  And like I said, Randy, what do you do about the disparity between the $80 and the $240?
[01:36:26.360 --> 01:36:29.360]  You mean it was originally $80?
[01:36:29.360 --> 01:36:35.360]  Yeah, do I just look at my state statutes because what I'm finding is through stories that I'm reading through the Internet,
[01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:42.360]  the attorney just decides – he pulls out of thin air what his fees are going to be and then he adds it to it.
[01:36:42.360 --> 01:36:43.360]  That's right.
[01:36:43.360 --> 01:36:44.360]  They do.
[01:36:44.360 --> 01:36:49.360]  But here, like I said, here in Texas under our fair debt collection, they can't do that.
[01:36:49.360 --> 01:36:57.360]  They cannot collect one penny above and beyond what the original value was for the owed amount.
[01:36:57.360 --> 01:37:00.360]  So I just need to check the statutes for the original amount?
[01:37:00.360 --> 01:37:01.360]  Yes.
[01:37:01.360 --> 01:37:05.360]  Does Wisconsin have a Fair Debt Collections Act or something comparable?
[01:37:05.360 --> 01:37:06.360]  Yes, they do.
[01:37:06.360 --> 01:37:07.360]  It's pretty weak.
[01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:10.360]  It's nothing compared to the federal.
[01:37:10.360 --> 01:37:14.360]  Well, the primary thing you can do is the standing.
[01:37:14.360 --> 01:37:17.360]  That will give him a real headache.
[01:37:17.360 --> 01:37:24.360]  If you think that he's done anything improper at all, countersuiting.
[01:37:24.360 --> 01:37:25.360]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:37:25.360 --> 01:37:27.360]  That always makes him crazy.
[01:37:27.360 --> 01:37:30.360]  You know, this is a minor debt.
[01:37:30.360 --> 01:37:35.360]  You countersuiting for violations of Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
[01:37:35.360 --> 01:37:41.360]  You know, one violation is $1,000.
[01:37:41.360 --> 01:37:42.360]  Right.
[01:37:42.360 --> 01:37:46.360]  Yeah, and we will be having Mike Miras on again to go over some of that material,
[01:37:46.360 --> 01:37:48.360]  and we'll be selling a CD on our website too.
[01:37:48.360 --> 01:37:52.360]  We just have to get through the seminar first.
[01:37:52.360 --> 01:37:59.360]  Yeah, just find one violation or one that's close and claim it.
[01:37:59.360 --> 01:38:01.360]  Now he has to fight the violation.
[01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:04.360]  He's going to come to you and say, let's make a deal.
[01:38:04.360 --> 01:38:08.360]  You go away, I go away.
[01:38:08.360 --> 01:38:14.360]  But generally the best offense is a good aggressive defense.
[01:38:14.360 --> 01:38:15.360]  All right.
[01:38:15.360 --> 01:38:21.360]  If I go after some of that countersuit stuff, would I lose any of my remedies?
[01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:25.360]  Because you might say in federal court, I already used my remedy in that matter.
[01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:28.360]  No, no, not unless you won.
[01:38:28.360 --> 01:38:30.360]  Oh, okay.
[01:38:30.360 --> 01:38:33.360]  I just want to use it as a bargaining tool then?
[01:38:33.360 --> 01:38:35.360]  Yeah, you make the claim.
[01:38:35.360 --> 01:38:37.360]  See, it's a federal claim.
[01:38:37.360 --> 01:38:41.360]  So you make the federal claim in the state court.
[01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:43.360]  So what does the attorney do?
[01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:48.360]  Come back and say, oh, you can't adjudicate that in the state court.
[01:38:48.360 --> 01:38:55.360]  You have to do that in the federal court, and all of a sudden he's facing the federal court.
[01:38:55.360 --> 01:39:01.360]  The last thing he's going to want to do is tell you you need to file against him in the federal court.
[01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:02.360]  Is this dirty?
[01:39:02.360 --> 01:39:05.360]  I love the way your mind works, Randy.
[01:39:05.360 --> 01:39:07.360]  Make it more money for him.
[01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:13.360]  Chances are you cost him a grand plus all the costs he has to put out.
[01:39:13.360 --> 01:39:17.360]  Yeah, but what if he keeps saying, okay, I'll come back to court because I can charge whatever I want.
[01:39:17.360 --> 01:39:20.360]  I'll charge $500 every time I come back to court.
[01:39:20.360 --> 01:39:24.360]  I'll be looking at a $5,000 bill for some stupid little bill.
[01:39:24.360 --> 01:39:27.360]  Eventually they'll back off because it will be too expensive.
[01:39:27.360 --> 01:39:29.360]  You run them into the ground financially.
[01:39:29.360 --> 01:39:34.360]  That's another tactic in dealing with these kinds of people.
[01:39:34.360 --> 01:39:37.360]  Basically you just make it too expensive for them to fight you.
[01:39:37.360 --> 01:39:41.360]  Eventually they just have to quit fighting because they can't afford to anymore.
[01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:45.360]  File a bar agreement against the attorney for excessive charges.
[01:39:45.360 --> 01:39:47.360]  Oh, I'm going to do that.
[01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:51.360]  I'm going to file one once a month until this thing is resolved.
[01:39:51.360 --> 01:39:55.360]  I'm just going to keep putting knots on his head just for the fun of it.
[01:39:55.360 --> 01:39:58.360]  Oh, those bar agreements are really stinging.
[01:39:58.360 --> 01:40:00.360]  He'll back off pretty quick after one or two of those.
[01:40:00.360 --> 01:40:02.360]  Yeah, once he starts getting that.
[01:40:02.360 --> 01:40:05.360]  Two of those, they'll cancel his insurance.
[01:40:05.360 --> 01:40:06.360]  What was that, Mark?
[01:40:06.360 --> 01:40:13.360]  Oh, I was going to mention if Mark gets back on there, I'm interested in him maybe citing some cases
[01:40:13.360 --> 01:40:18.360]  to find out what we can do down this way because I'll just tell you about my brother real quick.
[01:40:18.360 --> 01:40:20.360]  He missed one court date.
[01:40:20.360 --> 01:40:24.360]  Now they hold him under contempt every time he goes to court.
[01:40:24.360 --> 01:40:28.360]  I told him, well, go file a motion for a hearing on the contempt.
[01:40:28.360 --> 01:40:29.360]  He told me to tell him.
[01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:32.360]  He just told the other lawyer that before they dropped the contempt.
[01:40:32.360 --> 01:40:40.360]  I know that there's a huge amount of guys who have to go to court every month facing being under this contempt charge.
[01:40:40.360 --> 01:40:45.360]  So I guess filing for a hearing on the motion works.
[01:40:45.360 --> 01:40:47.360]  So I guess that is the remedy.
[01:40:47.360 --> 01:40:50.360]  But I just wondered if there was anything else.
[01:40:50.360 --> 01:40:52.360]  Maybe Mark Adams could cite some cases for us.
[01:40:52.360 --> 01:41:01.360]  And I'd like to see that writ to quash that that guy put in for being threatened to go to jail for a debt too.
[01:41:01.360 --> 01:41:03.360]  Yeah, well, maybe Mark will come back.
[01:41:03.360 --> 01:41:04.360]  I don't know.
[01:41:04.360 --> 01:41:05.360]  He might have lost.
[01:41:05.360 --> 01:41:07.360]  Maybe his phone went dead.
[01:41:07.360 --> 01:41:12.360]  Do you have any of those motions for small claims court, Randy?
[01:41:12.360 --> 01:41:15.360]  No, but they're easy enough to make up.
[01:41:15.360 --> 01:41:17.360]  Yeah, I figured they would be.
[01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:19.360]  Yeah, it's very similar.
[01:41:19.360 --> 01:41:25.360]  But I would suggest that you immediately read the small claims rule because small claims usually act.
[01:41:25.360 --> 01:41:28.360]  They're like summary proceedings in most states.
[01:41:28.360 --> 01:41:32.360]  And a lot of times in small claims court you're not allowed to use an attorney.
[01:41:32.360 --> 01:41:34.360]  Neither side is allowed to.
[01:41:34.360 --> 01:41:37.360]  Well, I don't know about that.
[01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:47.360]  I think usually you have to have the right to an attorney and you have to have a right to a jury trial in order to comply with the Constitution.
[01:41:47.360 --> 01:41:51.360]  Oh, wait, there's that word again.
[01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:56.360]  Yeah, not that the Constitution matters much to most people in the judiciary.
[01:41:56.360 --> 01:42:09.360]  But, I mean, I would take a look at the small claims rules there and a lot of the stuff Randy's talking about, you know, sometimes in the small claims rules they limit your discovery and stuff.
[01:42:09.360 --> 01:42:32.360]  And, you know, but still, I mean, basically what Randy's talking about is, you know, if they don't prove that they have the authority to make the claim and they don't produce evidence showing that, you know, the original charge was appropriate, etc.,
[01:42:32.360 --> 01:42:39.360]  then they're proof because they're the burden of proof. They don't meet the burden of proof.
[01:42:39.360 --> 01:42:45.360]  And so you should get judgment as a matter of law because they failed to produce the proof.
[01:42:45.360 --> 01:42:56.360]  And I would say most times these little collection cases they will not show up with anyone to testify.
[01:42:56.360 --> 01:43:10.360]  And like Randy mentioned, just an affidavit alone is typically sufficient for summary judgment but not sufficient for, you know, a trial.
[01:43:10.360 --> 01:43:18.360]  They have to actually prove someone who has knowledge that the debt is owed and original copy and all that stuff.
[01:43:18.360 --> 01:43:28.360]  So if I claim they need a witness for their demand or for their verified validation, then it will go to a trial and they'll say this will probably cost too much, let's just leave it alone.
[01:43:28.360 --> 01:43:34.360]  Yeah, I mean, you really, definitely I would say, you know, read the small claims rules.
[01:43:34.360 --> 01:43:42.360]  They're usually pretty short and that's going to be, give you an idea of what the procedure is going to go like.
[01:43:42.360 --> 01:43:47.360]  Okay, listen, we're going to break. Mark, we need to let you go because we've got two other callers and we've only got one segment left.
[01:43:47.360 --> 01:43:50.360]  Okay, thanks. Okay, thanks, Mark.
[01:43:50.360 --> 01:43:51.360]  All right.
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[01:45:07.360 --> 01:45:26.360]  Okay, final segment here, going into the home stretch.
[01:45:26.360 --> 01:45:32.360]  And then there'll be the following show, Endless Fraud Detection, Steve Skidmore and Neal Switkowski.
[01:45:32.360 --> 01:45:36.360]  They'll be having a couple of great guests on, so make sure you stay tuned for that.
[01:45:36.360 --> 01:45:39.360]  And we've got two more callers on the board, Sam from Georgia and Dominic from Texas.
[01:45:39.360 --> 01:45:41.360]  We're going to Sam right now.
[01:45:41.360 --> 01:45:42.360]  Sam, thank you for calling in.
[01:45:42.360 --> 01:45:43.360]  Thanks for holding.
[01:45:43.360 --> 01:45:45.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:45:45.360 --> 01:45:50.360]  Well, Randy Kelton is my hero.
[01:45:50.360 --> 01:45:52.360]  And when I grow up, I want to be just like him.
[01:45:52.360 --> 01:45:55.360]  Be careful what you wish for now.
[01:45:55.360 --> 01:45:58.360]  Come on, you can get him hiring that.
[01:45:58.360 --> 01:46:03.360]  I recognize that voice too from the other show, I think anyway.
[01:46:03.360 --> 01:46:04.360]  Is that any credit?
[01:46:04.360 --> 01:46:05.360]  Yes, it is.
[01:46:05.360 --> 01:46:06.360]  Okay.
[01:46:06.360 --> 01:46:12.360]  Anyway, listen, I think it's so interesting that in the traffic court in Georgia, your
[01:46:12.360 --> 01:46:16.360]  opposition is called a solicitor.
[01:46:16.360 --> 01:46:19.360]  And I'm thinking, soliciting what?
[01:46:19.360 --> 01:46:22.360]  Yeah, funds out of my pocket.
[01:46:22.360 --> 01:46:25.360]  Well, remember, that's just another word for prostitute.
[01:46:25.360 --> 01:46:26.360]  Yeah, prostitutor.
[01:46:26.360 --> 01:46:28.360]  Oh, I mean prosecutor, yeah.
[01:46:28.360 --> 01:46:34.360]  Well, you know, the thing is, I was listening to some of your guests before and I just love
[01:46:34.360 --> 01:46:38.360]  their spirit of, you know, not laying down.
[01:46:38.360 --> 01:46:40.360]  That's the problem with this country.
[01:46:40.360 --> 01:46:43.360]  Everybody has, you know, myself included.
[01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:50.360]  I really filed some really good habeas corpus about 15 years ago, got released from prison,
[01:46:50.360 --> 01:46:53.360]  and I was really, you know, in the warrior mode.
[01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:58.360]  And then, of course, you know, you come out, you get to live in life again, chasing the
[01:46:58.360 --> 01:47:04.360]  bus and getting that security and all that, and then you kind of go back to sleep.
[01:47:04.360 --> 01:47:11.360]  So, last couple years, I've had a reawakening and, you know, I just, for instance, I beat
[01:47:11.360 --> 01:47:18.360]  some tickets, you know, a while back, you know, and in Georgia, they will literally
[01:47:18.360 --> 01:47:25.360]  hide, hide behind a telephone pole with a radar gun or on a bridge over the interstate
[01:47:25.360 --> 01:47:30.360]  and they'll pop up and shoot you with the gun and then call their buddy down the road.
[01:47:30.360 --> 01:47:34.360]  And, you know, 99% of the people just write that check.
[01:47:34.360 --> 01:47:39.360]  And when you start digging in the law and realize, wow, there's a 500-foot visibility
[01:47:39.360 --> 01:47:44.360]  rule and all kind of stuff that they're held to, at least in Georgia, you know, you find,
[01:47:44.360 --> 01:47:47.360]  hey, wow, I can beat this, you know.
[01:47:47.360 --> 01:47:53.360]  And I really just, I'm so happy because I listen to Agenda and the Endless Fraud and
[01:47:53.360 --> 01:47:59.360]  you guys and some other shows and I'm just so excited that everybody seems to be having
[01:47:59.360 --> 01:48:04.360]  this mass awakening that, wait a minute, you know, the system is trying to screw me.
[01:48:04.360 --> 01:48:10.360]  I think I'm not going to lay down for that, you know, and I just love it because every
[01:48:10.360 --> 01:48:15.360]  day I hear a new little story and it just gets my fire in my heart, you know, to burn
[01:48:15.360 --> 01:48:21.360]  that much hotter because I just feel like we're on the verge of a revolution and I
[01:48:21.360 --> 01:48:23.360]  don't mean with guns and bullets.
[01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:28.360]  I mean just a thought revolution and an attitude revolution, you know.
[01:48:28.360 --> 01:48:32.360]  So anyway, I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted to throw that at you guys.
[01:48:32.360 --> 01:48:33.360]  Well, thanks, Sam.
[01:48:33.360 --> 01:48:37.360]  That's why I'm hoping that when we start binding up our seminar material tomorrow that
[01:48:37.360 --> 01:48:39.360]  we use a red cover on either side.
[01:48:39.360 --> 01:48:42.360]  We're going to use it like the Matrix, the red pill.
[01:48:42.360 --> 01:48:43.360]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:48:43.360 --> 01:48:44.360]  Good idea.
[01:48:44.360 --> 01:48:52.360]  Well, I'm really considering starting a Web site titled, you know, Take the Red Pill
[01:48:52.360 --> 01:48:59.360]  or something like that because I'm telling you that's what's happening and I get so
[01:48:59.360 --> 01:49:04.360]  excited because, you know, like my friends will be riding in the truck with me or something
[01:49:04.360 --> 01:49:09.360]  and I'm at a red light with that facial recognition camera looking right at me and I'll
[01:49:09.360 --> 01:49:14.360]  shoot him the finger and smile to myself and my buddy caught me doing it one night and
[01:49:14.360 --> 01:49:17.360]  he goes, I mean one day and he goes, what are you doing that for?
[01:49:17.360 --> 01:49:20.360]  And I said, this is exercising my freedom of speech.
[01:49:20.360 --> 01:49:25.360]  I said, I'm hoping somebody on the other side of that camera is either getting really pissed
[01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:31.360]  off or getting a good chuckle, you know, because he realizes what I'm doing and, you know,
[01:49:31.360 --> 01:49:40.360]  I'm about to put some very poignant bumper stickers on my truck which pains me to do
[01:49:40.360 --> 01:49:45.360]  because I really love my truck and all that kind of thing but I'm just going to...
[01:49:45.360 --> 01:49:48.360]  You can use magnetic bumper stickers, you know.
[01:49:48.360 --> 01:49:52.360]  Well, I do have one, you know, like that little pink ribbon for the breast cancer.
[01:49:52.360 --> 01:49:58.360]  Well, I have one that says, you know, it has the little, the hand sticking out with the
[01:49:58.360 --> 01:50:04.360]  finger, you know, the bird finger and it says support this.
[01:50:04.360 --> 01:50:08.360]  The funniest thing, I was sitting at a red light a couple of weeks ago and I looked up
[01:50:08.360 --> 01:50:12.360]  in the rear view mirror and I got a split second of pucker factor because there was
[01:50:12.360 --> 01:50:18.360]  a cop behind me and then I looked in the rear view mirror and he is busting up laughing.
[01:50:18.360 --> 01:50:24.360]  I just realized then, I said, well, you know, at least this guy, you know, is not of the
[01:50:24.360 --> 01:50:29.360]  Imperial Stormtrooper type but I'm sure it's just a matter of time before I get pulled
[01:50:29.360 --> 01:50:35.360]  over for that and then I'll be calling y'all so I can file suits for my brief speech.
[01:50:35.360 --> 01:50:36.360]  All right.
[01:50:36.360 --> 01:50:38.360]  Well, Sam, listen, do you have anything else for us?
[01:50:38.360 --> 01:50:40.360]  We've got eight minutes left and two other callers.
[01:50:40.360 --> 01:50:44.360]  No, I just wanted to thank y'all for keeping the spirit alive, man.
[01:50:44.360 --> 01:50:45.360]  All right.
[01:50:45.360 --> 01:50:46.360]  Thank you, Sam.
[01:50:46.360 --> 01:50:47.360]  Peace.
[01:50:47.360 --> 01:50:48.360]  Bye-bye.
[01:50:48.360 --> 01:50:49.360]  Okay.
[01:50:49.360 --> 01:50:50.360]  We've got Dominic from Texas and then Tom from Texas.
[01:50:50.360 --> 01:50:52.360]  Dominic, thanks for calling in.
[01:50:52.360 --> 01:50:53.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:50:53.360 --> 01:50:55.360]  I just want to wish y'all a good evening.
[01:50:55.360 --> 01:50:57.360]  I hope y'all are doing all right.
[01:50:57.360 --> 01:50:58.360]  Yes.
[01:50:58.360 --> 01:50:59.360]  That's good.
[01:50:59.360 --> 01:51:00.360]  Thank you.
[01:51:00.360 --> 01:51:02.360]  And I will be seeing you all this weekend.
[01:51:02.360 --> 01:51:07.360]  I know that we're restricted on time so I just wanted to put it out there if y'all need
[01:51:07.360 --> 01:51:09.360]  any help setting up for the seminar.
[01:51:09.360 --> 01:51:11.360]  Oh, well, thank you.
[01:51:11.360 --> 01:51:12.360]  I appreciate that.
[01:51:12.360 --> 01:51:15.360]  We'll be at Brave New Books tomorrow night setting up if you want to stop by.
[01:51:15.360 --> 01:51:19.360]  I think we'll probably have most of it covered but we'd love to see you down there.
[01:51:19.360 --> 01:51:21.360]  You have anything I can do to help y'all out?
[01:51:21.360 --> 01:51:26.360]  Well, yes, because we need to set up all the chairs and all that kind of stuff.
[01:51:26.360 --> 01:51:30.360]  So, yes, I'll be working with a videographer to set up, you know,
[01:51:30.360 --> 01:51:33.360]  all the audio recording equipment and video equipment and stuff like that.
[01:51:33.360 --> 01:51:36.360]  So if you want to come down, at least help set up chairs, you know.
[01:51:36.360 --> 01:51:37.360]  What time?
[01:51:37.360 --> 01:51:45.360]  We'll be there sometime after 5, 5, 6 o'clock, something like that.
[01:51:45.360 --> 01:51:46.360]  All right.
[01:51:46.360 --> 01:51:47.360]  Okay.
[01:51:47.360 --> 01:51:48.360]  Well, I'll see y'all then.
[01:51:48.360 --> 01:51:49.360]  Like I said, I know y'all have another call.
[01:51:49.360 --> 01:51:50.360]  I won't take up too much.
[01:51:50.360 --> 01:51:52.360]  Well, did you have anything else for us?
[01:51:52.360 --> 01:51:54.360]  We got a few minutes left.
[01:51:54.360 --> 01:51:55.360]  No, that's all right.
[01:51:55.360 --> 01:51:56.360]  I'll save it for another day.
[01:51:56.360 --> 01:51:57.360]  Okay.
[01:51:57.360 --> 01:51:58.360]  All right.
[01:51:58.360 --> 01:51:59.360]  Well, thanks, Dominic.
[01:51:59.360 --> 01:52:00.360]  All right.
[01:52:00.360 --> 01:52:01.360]  See y'all later.
[01:52:01.360 --> 01:52:02.360]  Okay.
[01:52:01.360 --> 01:52:02.360]  Bye-bye.
[01:52:02.360 --> 01:52:03.360]  That was really sweet.
[01:52:03.360 --> 01:52:04.360]  Okay.
[01:52:04.360 --> 01:52:07.360]  We're going to go now to Tom Derelic in Texas.
[01:52:07.360 --> 01:52:08.360]  Tom, thanks for calling in.
[01:52:08.360 --> 01:52:10.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:52:10.360 --> 01:52:16.360]  Well, I heard y'all say something about the facsimile of a contract would not hold up in court.
[01:52:16.360 --> 01:52:23.360]  And my question is, even if we write a facsimile of this contract that's as good as the original
[01:52:23.360 --> 01:52:27.360]  in the contract, does that not hold up in court?
[01:52:27.360 --> 01:52:29.360]  I'll tell you what.
[01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:36.360]  I want to give you a really good, high-quality photocopy of a $100 bill.
[01:52:36.360 --> 01:52:40.360]  You keep five bucks and give me your respect.
[01:52:40.360 --> 01:52:45.360]  It doesn't make any difference how good the reproduction is.
[01:52:45.360 --> 01:52:46.360]  Right.
[01:52:46.360 --> 01:52:53.360]  The reproduction is evidence that a contract actually does exist.
[01:52:53.360 --> 01:52:54.360]  Hold on.
[01:52:54.360 --> 01:52:56.360]  Randy, I'm having a hard time hearing you.
[01:52:56.360 --> 01:53:00.360]  I think there's some background noise either with you or Eddie or something.
[01:53:00.360 --> 01:53:01.360]  Okay.
[01:53:01.360 --> 01:53:05.360]  It's evidence that the contract actually does exist.
[01:53:05.360 --> 01:53:06.360]  Yes.
[01:53:06.360 --> 01:53:08.360]  But it's not the contract.
[01:53:08.360 --> 01:53:11.360]  So it could be a discovery to find the contract?
[01:53:11.360 --> 01:53:15.360]  If they don't have a contract, they don't have a case.
[01:53:15.360 --> 01:53:16.360]  Yeah.
[01:53:16.360 --> 01:53:20.360]  A lot of times there's a case law that says if you don't have the original, then you're done.
[01:53:20.360 --> 01:53:25.360]  And so it's common to put a provision in there that, you know,
[01:53:25.360 --> 01:53:29.360]  a facsimile or a copy shall be treated as an original,
[01:53:29.360 --> 01:53:34.360]  but you still have the case law out there that says it's not.
[01:53:34.360 --> 01:53:40.360]  So you have a situation where, you know, in one situation,
[01:53:40.360 --> 01:53:44.360]  you might win on that point and others you might lose on that point.
[01:53:44.360 --> 01:53:45.360]  Okay.
[01:53:45.360 --> 01:53:46.360]  Helpful.
[01:53:46.360 --> 01:53:47.360]  I appreciate that.
[01:53:47.360 --> 01:53:51.360]  It depends on how much the attorney lost to the judge on the golf courts.
[01:53:51.360 --> 01:53:54.360]  Right.
[01:53:54.360 --> 01:53:55.360]  All righty.
[01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:56.360]  Okay.
[01:53:56.360 --> 01:53:58.360]  Thank you all so much.
[01:53:58.360 --> 01:53:59.360]  Bye-bye.
[01:53:59.360 --> 01:54:00.360]  Yes, sir.
[01:54:00.360 --> 01:54:01.360]  Thank you.
[01:54:01.360 --> 01:54:02.360]  Thank you, Tom.
[01:54:02.360 --> 01:54:03.360]  Okay.
[01:54:03.360 --> 01:54:04.360]  All right.
[01:54:04.360 --> 01:54:05.360]  Well, man, I wish I could be there for your seminar.
[01:54:05.360 --> 01:54:10.360]  I'm sure it's going to be really interesting and a lot of valuable material.
[01:54:10.360 --> 01:54:11.360]  Yes, indeed.
[01:54:11.360 --> 01:54:15.360]  Well, we're hoping that it is and that people get out of it what they need.
[01:54:15.360 --> 01:54:17.360]  We've all worked very hard on it.
[01:54:17.360 --> 01:54:21.360]  And, folks, you can register for the seminar either online at our website,
[01:54:21.360 --> 01:54:27.360]  ruleoflawradio.com, or you can register at Brave New Books.
[01:54:27.360 --> 01:54:29.360]  It's a little late to send me a check in the mail,
[01:54:29.360 --> 01:54:32.360]  so at this point in time don't mail me a check.
[01:54:32.360 --> 01:54:33.360]  It's too late to mail a check.
[01:54:33.360 --> 01:54:35.360]  But you can walk in.
[01:54:35.360 --> 01:54:38.360]  I think we have about 10 seats left.
[01:54:38.360 --> 01:54:44.360]  So you can register at Brave New Books or you can register through PayPal
[01:54:44.360 --> 01:54:45.360]  and pay with a credit card.
[01:54:45.360 --> 01:54:48.360]  We'd prefer if you would register at Brave New Books or just walk in
[01:54:48.360 --> 01:54:52.360]  and pay with a check at that point so that we don't have to pay the fees to PayPal.
[01:54:52.360 --> 01:54:54.360]  But if you want to pay with a credit card,
[01:54:54.360 --> 01:54:58.360]  then you are certainly welcome to do so at the website and at Brave New Books.
[01:54:58.360 --> 01:55:01.360]  They take credit cards also.
[01:55:01.360 --> 01:55:02.360]  Well, that sounds good.
[01:55:02.360 --> 01:55:05.360]  Hey, I'll get back with you guys and give you an update on the stuff going on
[01:55:05.360 --> 01:55:08.360]  in Lee County, Florida here in the next week or two.
[01:55:08.360 --> 01:55:12.360]  Yeah, I'm anxious to hear about that.
[01:55:12.360 --> 01:55:14.360]  Yeah, it's just amazing the kind of crazy stuff they do.
[01:55:14.360 --> 01:55:16.360]  And, you know,
[01:55:16.360 --> 01:55:20.360]  hopefully the Second District Court of Appeal is going to uphold the law
[01:55:20.360 --> 01:55:24.360]  and strike down that crazy payer-appear program.
[01:55:24.360 --> 01:55:25.360]  And don't be such a stranger.
[01:55:25.360 --> 01:55:27.360]  We need someone to ridicule on the air.
[01:55:27.360 --> 01:55:30.360]  Oh, come on.
[01:55:30.360 --> 01:55:34.360]  Okay, well, I'll definitely stay in closer touch
[01:55:34.360 --> 01:55:37.360]  and update you on that in the next week or two.
[01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:38.360]  Thank you, Mark.
[01:55:38.360 --> 01:55:39.360]  All right.
[01:55:39.360 --> 01:55:40.360]  You all have a good weekend.
[01:55:40.360 --> 01:55:41.360]  All right.
[01:55:41.360 --> 01:55:42.360]  Thanks, Mark.
[01:55:42.360 --> 01:55:43.360]  Okay.
[01:55:43.360 --> 01:55:44.360]  My pleasure.
[01:55:44.360 --> 01:55:45.360]  All righty.
[01:55:45.360 --> 01:55:46.360]  We'll talk to you next time.
[01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:47.360]  Okay.
[01:55:47.360 --> 01:55:48.360]  We've just got about two minutes left.
[01:55:48.360 --> 01:55:53.360]  So just a brief update on the seminar and how it's going to run.
[01:55:53.360 --> 01:56:01.360]  Basically, day one is going to be mostly Eddie going over the transportation code
[01:56:01.360 --> 01:56:07.360]  so that we will know exactly what the law requires.
[01:56:07.360 --> 01:56:13.360]  And then day two, then Randy and I will be going over what it is that they do wrong
[01:56:13.360 --> 01:56:15.360]  and criminal charges that can be filed.
[01:56:15.360 --> 01:56:18.360]  As a result, he'll be doing the criminal charges section,
[01:56:18.360 --> 01:56:21.360]  and I'll be doing the causes of action.
[01:56:21.360 --> 01:56:26.360]  And Randy and I may help Eddie out presenting some material on Saturday as well
[01:56:26.360 --> 01:56:30.360]  if Eddie gets tired of talking for eight hours.
[01:56:30.360 --> 01:56:34.360]  But basically, day one is going to be presenting the traffic code
[01:56:34.360 --> 01:56:37.360]  and going over step-by-step what they're required to do,
[01:56:37.360 --> 01:56:38.360]  what they're authorized to do.
[01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:41.360]  And then day two will be going over what they do wrong
[01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:44.360]  and the criminal charges that can be filed and the causes of action.
[01:56:44.360 --> 01:56:46.360]  So go ahead, Eddie.
[01:56:46.360 --> 01:56:47.360]  You were saying something?
[01:56:47.360 --> 01:56:51.360]  Oh, no, I was just going, well.
[01:56:51.360 --> 01:56:53.360]  Me running out of steam and talking, you know,
[01:56:53.360 --> 01:56:57.360]  that's kind of like wishing a bear would lose weight.
[01:56:57.360 --> 01:56:59.360]  Okay, so maybe you won't run out of steam.
[01:56:59.360 --> 01:57:03.360]  And I'll tell you, folks, I hope you don't run out of steam reading Eddie's material
[01:57:03.360 --> 01:57:06.360]  because you're in for a whopper, I'm telling you.
[01:57:06.360 --> 01:57:11.360]  Eddie's got a 200-page book here, literally.
[01:57:11.360 --> 01:57:16.360]  The material that Eddie has written is 200 pages.
[01:57:16.360 --> 01:57:22.360]  Obviously, we're not going to be able to go over every single detail of all of that in two days,
[01:57:22.360 --> 01:57:24.360]  but that's just Eddie's section.
[01:57:24.360 --> 01:57:27.360]  And then Randy and I are putting together the other section,
[01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:30.360]  which is going to have the criminal charges and criminal complaints
[01:57:30.360 --> 01:57:32.360]  and the causes of action.
[01:57:32.360 --> 01:57:35.360]  So that's going to be another at least 50 or so pages.
[01:57:35.360 --> 01:57:36.360]  Yes.
[01:57:36.360 --> 01:57:38.360]  Now, I would like to comment on that for a second, Deborah.
[01:57:38.360 --> 01:57:41.360]  I just want everyone attending the seminar to be aware,
[01:57:41.360 --> 01:57:46.360]  the document is not going to be absolutely 100 percent complete.
[01:57:46.360 --> 01:57:52.360]  The reason for that is we are treating this as an evolutionary document, basically.
[01:57:52.360 --> 01:57:56.360]  As we make updates and changes to the information in it to keep it current,
[01:57:56.360 --> 01:57:59.360]  all of those that have attended the seminar,
[01:57:59.360 --> 01:58:02.360]  we just want to collect the name, phone number, and e-mail address
[01:58:02.360 --> 01:58:05.360]  so that we can send the updated material to you as it comes out.
[01:58:05.360 --> 01:58:06.360]  Yes.
[01:58:06.360 --> 01:58:10.360]  That way it stays live and fresh and up to date for you.
[01:58:10.360 --> 01:58:11.360]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:58:11.360 --> 01:58:12.360]  You will get the updates.
[01:58:12.360 --> 01:58:15.360]  Folks that are paying for the seminar will get the updates.
[01:58:15.360 --> 01:58:18.360]  And also at this time, we don't have an electronic version of this.
[01:58:18.360 --> 01:58:21.360]  It's just imprinted material,
[01:58:21.360 --> 01:58:26.360]  but you will be getting an electronic version at some point after the seminar,
[01:58:26.360 --> 01:58:28.360]  after we get that worked out.
[01:58:28.360 --> 01:58:29.360]  All right.
[01:58:29.360 --> 01:58:32.360]  I guess this concludes the rule of law.
[01:58:32.360 --> 01:58:35.360]  Again, we will see you on Saturday at the seminar.
[01:58:35.360 --> 01:58:37.360]  We'll be running an archive tomorrow night.
[01:58:37.360 --> 01:58:41.360]  So we'll see you Saturday and stay tuned for Endless Fraud Detection
[01:58:41.360 --> 01:58:45.360]  with Neil Switkowski and Steve Skidmore.
[01:58:45.360 --> 01:58:49.360]  They are having two guests tonight, Michael Pines and Brad Kaiser.
[01:58:49.360 --> 01:58:51.360]  So stay tuned for that.
[01:58:51.360 --> 01:58:53.360]  And we'll see you Saturday.
[01:58:53.360 --> 01:59:07.360]  Hi, this is Norman Horn from the UT Austin Libertarian Longhorns,
[01:59:07.360 --> 01:59:11.360]  and I want to invite you to the Students for Liberty Texas Conference on October 24, 2009,
[01:59:11.360 --> 01:59:14.360]  located at the Thompson Conference Center on the UT campus.
[01:59:14.360 --> 01:59:19.360]  We have a great lineup of speakers coming to teach you about the fundamentals of a free society.
[01:59:19.360 --> 01:59:23.360]  Speakers include Vice President of the Cato Institute Gene Healy as the keynote,
[01:59:23.360 --> 01:59:27.360]  renowned author and activist Mary Brewer, and many more.
[01:59:27.360 --> 01:59:30.360]  To top it off, policy groups from all over Texas will be present
[01:59:30.360 --> 01:59:33.360]  for a roundtable discussion about local activism.
[01:59:33.360 --> 01:59:37.360]  Registration is just $10, plus an optional fee for lunch and dinner.
[01:59:37.360 --> 01:59:40.360]  For students, it's absolutely free.
[01:59:40.360 --> 01:59:46.360]  But registration is required, so go to our website at www.libertarianlonghorns.com
[01:59:46.360 --> 01:59:49.360]  for more information about how to sign up.
[01:59:49.360 --> 01:59:53.360]  That's www.libertarianlonghorns.com.
[01:59:53.360 --> 01:59:57.360]  Support Peace and Freedom and come to the Students for Liberty Texas Conference 2009.
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